| cehteh | nah it should deliver 850 ma | 00:00 |
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| cehteh | it prolly just some power spikes which it cant handle | 00:00 |
| cehteh | i really try next time with a buffering capacitor | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | there *are no* power spikes in N900 charging | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | checked /home/user/MyDocs/charge.log? | 00:01 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the charger chip is incapable of drawing significantly more than 850mA from USB | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're for sure better off placing that capacitor on prinary side of your bikecharger's reulator circuit | 00:02 |
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| cehteh | http://pastebin.com/i9WnL4ww | 00:03 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i consider both sides :) | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | It seems kinda sensitive to load regulation of the power supply. iirc one guy did a buck/boost circuit with a mcu, and the mcu wasn't fast enough to regulate voltage | 00:03 |
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| cehteh | well the bike charger has 2 parts .. one rectifier and limiting circruit directly connected to the dynamo | 00:04 |
| * ShadowJK also failed the other day to make his devnOPP charge from 4*aaa -> ca-146 | 00:04 | |
| cehteh | and then then battery charge and output box | 00:04 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: i tried the ca146 .. but it gets to hot to feel comfortable | 00:05 |
| cehteh | if i need a pizza oven, i'd bought one | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard CA146A tend to burn down sometimes | 00:06 |
| cehteh | it works but it feels like heating 50% energy away | 00:06 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | hah | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder why Nokia is so concerned about N900 maybe overloading chargers with taking unadvertised 500mA | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | bq24150 is for sure not getting clean power | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | while same time burning down houses with CA146A | 00:07 |
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| cehteh | my first idea was a rectifier, cap and zener and then use the ca-146 to charge n900 from the bike hub .. but really i want to have some current left for charging than heating the environment | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | btw you can get ca146 for like 2 bucks a piece from china, i wonder how many meltdowns have been from the redesigned-for-cheap version :P | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:08 |
| cehteh | maybe we shall sell extra heatsink packs :) | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, what's your current setup? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | silicon oil full suspension | 00:08 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack bought that because it looked promising and somewhat works | 00:09 |
| cehteh | (actuallc it works most of the time, but sometimes charging fails and then for some time in a row) | 00:09 |
| cehteh | and nothing of the parts getting warm | 00:09 |
| cehteh | so no big losses | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: bike dynamos are terrible in any respect | 00:09 |
| cehteh | yes i know | 00:10 |
| cehteh | as said next i try to add a cap, may help a bit | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, input undervoltage when it fails? | 00:10 |
| cehteh | yes and too much switching .. possibly be takeover betwenn battery and dynamo isnt clean | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | Oh you definitely need a cap, it has no chance to work with dynamo -> rectifier -> reg/zener -> n900 | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd need a cap that can deliver min 0.5As for Vmax-Vmin | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | where Vmin = 5V + LDO drop | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Vmax prolly the 6V+x of your dynamo | 00:11 |
| cehteh | yes the problem with a bike dynamo is that it has very low Hz | 00:11 |
| cehteh | na | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't look good | 00:11 |
| cehteh | the reecharge has this input circruit | 00:12 |
| cehteh | that rectifies and limits to 5V (prolly linear-regulator) | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe we could try with lower rate than 950 :) | 00:12 |
| cehteh | and then charge in is prolly some stock liion charge cirruit and the 850ma 5V out are DCDC regulated | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | But if it has a 1600mAh battery it should charge n900 even without dynamo | 00:13 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: i tried, doesnt help | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I wonder what makes you think a LDO has less loss than CA146A | 00:13 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yes it works, most of the time | 00:13 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: it gets less hot :P .. | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 00:14 |
| cehteh | well seriously .. LDO has some advantages in this setup | 00:14 |
| cehteh | it has the least losses when you drive slowly and you barely reach the input voltage | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you think that *could* be somehow related to surface and generally thermal design rather than efficiency? | 00:14 |
| cehteh | and as soon you drive faster losses doesnt matter anymore | 00:14 |
| cehteh | while a dcdc would have most losses at the lower end of the scale | 00:15 |
| cehteh | nope the regulator from the reecharge is a plastic cast similar to the ca-146 | 00:15 |
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| cehteh | maybe slightly bigger .. but it doesnt get warm at all | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | charge21.sh line 24. change 0x42 (950mA, 150mA term) to 0x20 (750mA, 50mA term) | 00:16 |
| cehteh | anyways i like this toy i just want to improve it and fix the remaining problem | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's no LDO which is just sane enough | 00:16 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yes i did that | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 00:16 |
| cehteh | tried different limits but even at 100ma it sometimes fails | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | 100mA is useless btw | 00:17 |
| cehteh | really .. my next try is to put a cap there | 00:17 |
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| cehteh | yes i know i just wanted to see if it will not stop charging because of undervoltage | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | because musb consumes about 80mA, and cpu locked at 500MHz | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: how could it not fail as soon as you stop? | 00:17 |
| cehteh | what? | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, built in battery? | 00:18 |
| cehteh | then battery takes over? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik bike dynamoes doen't provide any power at all during no-move periods | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | which battery? | 00:18 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | dynamo - [ rect+reg+dcdc -> liion charger -> battery -> dcdc ] -> n900 | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that dcdc | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 2nd one | 00:19 |
| cehteh | dynamo - [ rect+reg+ LCO -> liion charger -> battery -> dcdc ] -> n900 | 00:19 |
| cehteh | prolly | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what's the first contraption? | 00:20 |
| cehteh | i didnt disassembled it | 00:20 |
| cehteh | dynamo - [ rect+reg+ LCO ] -> [liion charger -> battery -> dcdc ] -> n900 | 00:20 |
| cehteh | rather this are 2 components .. the first is permanently on the bike the battery and dcdc is strapped on and detachable | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that friggin thing is meant to operate from a bike dynamo, why on god's earth you use a rect and zener on dynamo then? | 00:21 |
| cehteh | eh? | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if it's like this toy-ups battery board I have, it has a fet to disconnect its boost circuit and feed input power to output directly, but unfortunately triggers at like 2V instead of something sane like 4.5V | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | something is definitely odd with this blackbox and DIY dcdc | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | i dont think he's using any diy in his current setup? | 00:24 |
| Termana | good morning | 00:25 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i dont use diy .. see the link i provided | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | So he's only using this comercial product, consisting of lipo charger, lipo, boost circuit, connected to dynamo on one end and n900 on other end | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | and planning to add capacitors somewhere to "fix" it? | 00:26 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:27 |
| cehteh | hey and there are chances that this cap may or may not work, but its worth a try, i even bett the odds are on the may work side, its little efforts and costs only a few euros | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | I've made many "emergency charger" type things work by adding some random crappy cap stolen from dead radios :) | 00:28 |
| cehteh | who here made his custom charge box? timeless? he reported that adding caps made charging a lot more reliable even when charging from secondary battery only | 00:28 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:28 |
| cehteh | so i just try and see | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | otoh, my lolcharger made out of RCHobby components worked fine without extra caps :) | 00:30 |
| wmarone__ | is it just me, or do no twitter clients on the N900 work? | 00:32 |
| * cehteh doesnt use twitter | 00:33 | |
| cehteh | but its prolly you .. because someone else certainly uses twitter from the n900 | 00:33 |
| wmarone__ | I guess | 00:33 |
| wmarone__ | they all bounce back with error 401 | 00:33 |
| cehteh | over wlan or gsm/umts/whatever | 00:34 |
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| ShadowJK | 401, is that authorization failed or malformed request? | 00:34 |
| wmarone__ | auth failed | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.yakahonsu.de/InternetExplorer/IE-Fehler/Reparaturprogramm/Fehlercodes/fehlercodes.html | 00:35 |
| * wmarone__ tosses it aside for later | 00:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, ok another obsolete bookmark | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: this product line is supposed to work without any friggin Cs or whatnot | 00:39 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yes and? .. seems not to do :P | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it clearly says it's made to provide continuous power to USB | 00:40 |
| cehteh | well as i saied it works most of the time, but sometimes fails | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: call manufacturer to fix it! | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you paid for it | 00:40 |
| cehteh | yeah have luck :) | 00:41 |
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| cehteh | at best i get my money back | 00:41 |
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| trumee_ | wmarone__, twimgo seems to be ok | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: or they swap you lemon for a good device with working LiPo | 00:50 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: the 'good' one costs 3 times as much | 00:51 |
| cehteh | and i saied it works most of the time, so if the cheap cap fixes it, then its ok for me | 00:52 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: you said you tested Drive? Mine always says searching for GPS despite Maps saying it already has a lock | 01:00 |
| javispedro | also, I found there's something weird about aegis | 01:01 |
| javispedro | enabling relaxed-exec in developer mode causes it to ignore missing signatures and allows you to run whatever executable you want.... as long as you are NOT root. | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: same here, until I stopped maps app :-P | 01:04 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: WUT, non-root can execute whatever he wants? | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | from ssh, run aegis-developer-mode --related-exec | 01:05 |
| javispedro | then aegis-exec -u user -l to get a "user" shell | 01:05 |
| javispedro | then run everything | 01:05 |
| javispedro | I uploaded a few executables via sftp | 01:05 |
| javispedro | they seem to work -- sadly, the only one with UI crashes, but I do not know if it's my fault. | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | --rela_x_ed-exec (sorry) | 01:08 |
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| piggz_ | is there any qt components port on n900 yet? | 01:16 |
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| piggz_ | i need to make a settings window, and i can either do it myself with rectangles, or use some components :) | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | woo, n950 just arrived | 01:17 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: unpacking? :) | 01:18 |
| piggz_ | well, its a good sign that there are qt-components and qt-components-dev packages | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | yeah, in a very classy way it has my first name written on masking tape on the box | 01:19 |
| javispedro | yeah, surprised. | 01:19 |
| javispedro | it is tradition here to do that with christmas presents =) | 01:19 |
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| ieatlint | this is the cheapest nokia device packaging i've ever seen :P | 01:20 |
| cehteh | ziplock bag? | 01:22 |
| javispedro | the package is virtually only double the volume of the device itself | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | that's standard for nokia packaging for the last year... small boxes | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | but the cardboard is cheap as hell | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | there's no wall charger (just usb cable) | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | i'm surprised there's the "quick start" guide | 01:23 |
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| * ShadowJK has been using N810 and rediscovered music he forgot he had :-) | 01:25 | |
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| ShadowJK | also, a media player that doesn't reorder songs in albums arbitrarily | 01:25 |
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| * javispedro is now rediscovering the weirdest crashes in the innermosts layers of libX11... | 01:31 | |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, first day is wrapping up? Good or bad? | 01:32 |
| javispedro | so far, good -- I'd say tearfree it's friggin impressive and usable OviMaps is a big plus. | 01:33 |
| javispedro | my biggest con is lack of Jabber/GTalk, which makes me think tomorrow I'll go to work with the N900 :( | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (double the volume) well a tiny bit more :-) | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | wtf is tearfree? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: lack of xchat | 01:34 |
| javispedro | "without tearing" | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | oh | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | stupid homonyms | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: any source for manpages for aegis* ? | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | i was thinking tear as in crying | 01:34 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I do not think there are, but there are --help pages, what is on gitorious, and the kernel's Documentation/aegis.txt | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis.txt sounds good, --help is not really enlightening | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | on the other side, I am not impressed by this device's hw kb. | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | should the doc be on device? | 01:35 |
| javispedro | in fact, I find myself already using the vkb more.... because I fear I'm going to break the hinge. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | Yes, it looks that fragile. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nope, it's on kernel source. | 01:36 |
| ieatlint | anyone know what you hold down to get the phone to boot into flash/update mode? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, I'm reluctant to open it the way it's supposed to be, I rather lift the screen's upper end | 01:36 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: you don't, just shut down phone and plug cable while flasher on desktop is "waiting for device" | 01:37 |
| javispedro | this also works with n900, etc. | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: nuttin | 01:37 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: can pastebin it for you (doc/aegis.txt), wait a moment. | 01:37 |
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| javispedro | but it also didn't say anything really enligthening | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yup, Nokia streamlined the flashing instructions quite a bit | 01:37 |
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| ieatlint | ah, ok | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: appreciated | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen MohammadAG | 01:38 |
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| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 77 messages. Is idling for 10h 7m 22s, last said: 'yeah, totally our fault'. | 01:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/C5jbvj7N | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Funny, I just came in | 01:39 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: when you read the part about sysfs settings, you will want to know whetever they are sealed in N950. Yes they are. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks :-) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hey! hi! :-) | 01:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: weren't you on holiday? | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, 1:40 AM, home now | 01:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: please don't kill me while I write a note on my N950! | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | well, "home" not home | 01:40 |
| cehteh | haha this aegis is fail .. years ago someone made a kernel module checking signatures on elf files | 01:40 |
| KMFDM | i believe hinge problems are why they didn't sell the n950 to consumers | 01:40 |
| KMFDM | no money left in the project to fix it | 01:40 |
| cehteh | .. that worked about one week until someone shown a ld.so written in perl | 01:40 |
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| KMFDM | so give it to devs | 01:40 |
| KMFDM | how is the the virtual keyboard on the n9(50) ? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's.... virtual | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the kbd as is isn't that bad anyway | 01:42 |
| javispedro | -- well, it's larger than n900s. Enter is weirdly placed (for me). | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hinge... well there's a reason for the photos on ovi | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10151 | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, your order shipped? | 01:42 |
| javispedro | half of the times I want to open it | 01:42 |
| javispedro | I just don't know HOW to open it. | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | or hiemanshu | 01:43 |
| javispedro | which side? where to apply pressure? etc etc | 01:43 |
| javispedro | it's just too hard and fragile at the same time. | 01:43 |
| javispedro | this "slider with angle" is just broken IMHO. | 01:43 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: are these arms plastic or metal? | 01:43 |
| javispedro | *idea | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | unclear | 01:44 |
| javispedro | feel like plastic at least externally. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, I don't get the point. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's seemingly no real advantage | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess you get SLIGHTLY more space for the keyboard. | 01:44 |
| javispedro | there's one -- place on a table it is useful. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm even undecided about the battery cover. It sometimes feels like metal, but from inside like plastic | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: know what was awesome? When yu could swap keycaps | 01:46 |
| cpscotti | GeneralAntilles, javispedro .. hmm.. one advantage is that you get the "kickstand" effect you had on the n900 but a lot more stable | 01:46 |
| KhLoveNickSwitch | Processed at LEIPZIG - GERMANY | 01:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cpscotti, yeah. . . . | 01:46 |
| Khertan | still some kilometters:) | 01:46 |
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| cpscotti | maybe the only one.. | 01:46 |
| javispedro | cpscotti: fits well with my "placed on a table it is useful" ;) | 01:46 |
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| Khertan | cpscotti, i love the n810 kickstand :) | 01:47 |
| cpscotti | Khertan, I used the n900's one maaany many times too | 01:47 |
| Khertan | cpscotti, not me | 01:47 |
| cpscotti | but that one was quite unstable | 01:47 |
| cpscotti | I mean like.. the "need" exists.. making it right is another story | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | I loved the N97 | 01:47 |
| Khertan | me fear that this slider was not robust | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, Chris di Bona is such an arrogant ass. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | No one is buying the company line, Chris. | 01:48 |
| Khertan | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10170?sort=0 <<< aegis look like a nice things | 01:48 |
| Khertan | lol | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, yeah, the N8x0 kickstand was amazing. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yesterday I noticed "shutting down" while on charger doesn't even stop sshd ;-) | 01:49 |
| javispedro | am I yet to understand acting dead | 01:49 |
| javispedro | seems to be more similar to n8x0 one than n900. | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: my ssh session survived a "reboot" | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://derstandard.at/1308186313932/Interview-Google-Android-is-the-Linux-desktop-dream-come-true | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | one funny bit: my box had no name sticker at all | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking about my next phone | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I always thought MohammadAG was *special* | 01:51 |
| Khertan | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/3048/0ccba66665194c79a24f86f0e31382e7.jpg <<< whao thinner than n900 | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | and wp7 from nokia looks like the best option | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | it's not linux based at all | 01:51 |
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| Khertan | jacekowski, mouhahahaha | 01:52 |
| Khertan | do not feed the troll | 01:52 |
| javispedro | acting dead on n950 is fun, is it possible that it does not actually boot the OS at all? | 01:52 |
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| jacekowski | Khertan: it's just that linux as phone platforms looks dead | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google is SO EVIL | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | I want my N950 :/ | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: nokia will not make other linux based phones | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: there's still WebOS. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you finally *really* can place the device on a table and type on it like on a regular laptop in miniature format | 01:53 |
| javispedro | and I do think Nokia will eventually make another Linux phone. The question is whether they will before tanking =) | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah javispedro mentioned that | 01:53 |
| * Khertan is asking himself if his n950 will be at home tomorrow | 01:54 | |
| cehteh | yeah .. like on a laptop .. 10 finger typing :) | 01:54 |
| nid0 | used to be able to do that fine with any communicator, too | 01:54 |
| javispedro | if you think of the n950 hwkb as something only to use on a table... I think it's fine. but on the move.. | 01:54 |
| * cehteh meanwhile really think if an external, usb or bluetooth keyboard, even if mini-laptop format is the way to go | 01:55 | |
| ieatlint | huh, there must be something i'm missing when i try and flash the n950 | 01:55 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: why do you want to flash it already? | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | it finds the device, then says "Sending ape-algo image (7054 kB)..." "100% (7054 of 7054 kB, avg. 30405 kB/s)" then the phone turns off, and it says "Suitable USB interface (phonet) not found, waiting..." | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (is it possible that it does not actually boot the OS at all?) see my stay-alive ssh wlan session . it survived a proper reboot via powerbutton push | 01:57 |
| javispedro | that's when I was saying it resembles more n8x0 actdead than n900, but I think it starts way too fast for that | 01:58 |
| javispedro | n900 reboots on every state change, n8x0 didn't, it just changed runlevel. | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: outch | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what N950 does, evidently | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and sshd is active in both runlevels | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | gah internet speed sucks here | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | I feel I'm on 56k or something | 02:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to 1999 | 02:04 |
| javispedro | Nokia stock is 30-something again? | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | I don't miss it | 02:05 |
| javispedro | but I need to warn the world about Elop!! | 02:05 |
| javispedro | sell!! | 02:05 |
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| Jartza | don't worry | 02:06 |
| Jartza | soon we don't have to worry about nokia at all | 02:06 |
| ieatlint | huh, if i then boot it, and tell it to go into "sync and connect mode", it says "Device is in Sync and connect mode, sending ADL reboot." on the flasher | 02:06 |
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| ieatlint | then "RROR: Failed to change protocol" and it exits, and the phone reboots normally | 02:06 |
| Jartza | just look at the history, what has happened to companies that "get together" with microsoft :) | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jartza, what happens when they become a Microsoft powerhouse subsidiary? | 02:07 |
| Jartza | GeneralAntilles: they just fade away, not a biggie | 02:07 |
| Jartza | there is enough cellphone manufacturers in the world | 02:07 |
| Jartza | the knowledge just moves to some other company | 02:08 |
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| Jartza | http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-strategic-mobile-partners/ | 02:09 |
| Jartza | :) | 02:10 |
| cpscotti | javispedro, haha LOLLLed hard! | 02:10 |
| cpscotti | Sell! Sell, run to the mountains! | 02:10 |
| javispedro | Jartza: the list happens to miss HTC. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | cpscotti: :) | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | haha | 02:13 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: say vivainio's tweet? | 02:13 |
| javispedro | *saw | 02:13 |
| Jartza | javispedro: well that is an old article already | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, which? | 02:14 |
| javispedro | latest | 02:14 |
| javispedro | about that piece of android garbage. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chris di Bona tried to hit me with a t-shirt. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't care for the man. | 02:14 |
| javispedro | and a free device? =) | 02:14 |
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| MohammadAG | fuck yeah back to 5MBps :D | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was funny when the question came up about Google not sending patches back to Linux at the LFCS last year. | 02:15 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you can now hit F5 on the Nokia Developer pages with bandwidth to spare! | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Well, nobody in the industry does, so we're not exactly behind." | 02:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Half the room said "Uh, Nokia." | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I'm thinking of writing a script / Qt app to hammer the page non stop | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | parse the status field | 02:15 |
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| MohammadAG | technically, I need a QWebView, dump and save all cookies, load them from QNetworkAccessManager, add a 1ms timer that always loops | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | then hook it up to my server | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | or just wait for an email | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | either way, I won't get the N950 when it arrives in Israel, either someone "forwards" it to me or I get it a week or two later | 02:17 |
| javispedro | call DHL and have that arranged =) | 02:18 |
| javispedro | though they will charge you | 02:18 |
| cpscotti | MohammadAG, 1ms! | 02:18 |
| cpscotti | :) | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, to Jordan? I don't want it arranged | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | I don't trust postal services here | 02:19 |
| javispedro | heh. | 02:19 |
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| * javispedro realizes that he forgot to make clean | 02:19 | |
| javispedro | and thus someone is mixing files compiled to different header versions | 02:20 |
| * javispedro sighs | 02:20 | |
| javispedro | gdb could warn about that, it can deduce it. | 02:20 |
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| NIN101 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/AEGIS_Logo.svg lol, I laughed. | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: send patches! :-P | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: well, I see a small black rectangle | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: I don't laugh | 02:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your browser is stupid | 02:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/AEGIS_Logo.svg/500px-AEGIS_Logo.svg.png | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder, how much battery does the FM radio TX take? | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | err, RX | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | few | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you didn't use the 950-ssh? | 02:38 |
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| javispedro | this segphault guy just throwed up that iOS might be using more GNU code than Android =) | 02:39 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not yet | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm actually sorting my connection | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | I won't be around a lot, except at night | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, in 5 hours you'll need a new "IP lease" :-) | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | always 6:30 CEST | 02:44 |
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| javispedro | OHNOES | 02:50 |
| * javispedro forgot to clear a stack variable | 02:51 | |
| javispedro | stupid compiler could also warn about this. he knows that.. | 02:51 |
| javispedro | oh wait. he did. | 02:51 |
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| javispedro | of course, it only crashed on ARM. | 02:51 |
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| javispedro | see, this is what one needs a device. | 02:51 |
| javispedro | *why | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (oh wait. he did.) LOL | 03:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer gasps on "/dev/sda6 20G 18G 632M 97% /" - friggin scratchbox! | 03:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 4.7G /scratchbox/ | 03:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's the other cruft | 03:39 | |
| derf | scratchbox # du -xhs . | 03:40 |
| derf | 47G . | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Docs? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: W*T*F?! | 03:41 |
| derf | There's, uh, a few Fennec checkouts in there. | 03:42 |
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| javispedro | at 100MiB (iirc), wow. | 03:43 |
| javispedro | *100MiB each. | 03:44 |
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| derf | Try 10 times that, unbuilt. | 03:44 |
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| javispedro | whoa whoa whoa | 03:51 |
| * javispedro tries the limit of max fingers on N950 | 03:51 | |
| javispedro | I need moar fingers!!! | 03:51 |
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| javispedro | min of 6 so far | 03:52 |
| javispedro | I cannot really do more than 6 on a screen this size | 03:53 |
| javispedro | but it does seem to detect 6 fingers realiably | 03:53 |
| javispedro | oops | 03:53 |
| * javispedro managed to confuse the window manager | 03:53 | |
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| javispedro | indeeed, reboot time. | 03:54 |
| arvut | I think Currency exchange widget is somewhat broken | 03:54 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: do you know how to take a screenshot? | 03:54 |
| arvut | it resets my other widgets so that I have to readd them all (I got quite a lot of widgets..) | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-shift-P on hildon(?), otherwise use "Widgets Ga..." | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grrr | 03:56 |
| arvut | Widgets Ga..? | 03:56 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: hate hate hate! | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the ctrl-shift-P has a cute flashlight effect | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I had my 2-Minutes Hate this morning. | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You were definitely the focus. | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan's up tomorrow. :P | 03:57 |
| arvut | I know how to take a screenshot. you want one of each desktop then? | 03:57 |
| javispedro | so much hate can't be good for health | 03:57 |
| arvut | let him hate to death then and be done with it. | 03:57 |
| javispedro | arvut: we are not the authors of currency exchange widget | 03:57 |
| javispedro | arvut: if you suspect you hit a bug, ask the author. | 03:58 |
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| arvut | javispedro: i'll see what I can do. but warning ya'll about that widget is what I intended to do | 03:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles is frightened now. | 03:59 | |
| arvut | aren't the stuff in all but extras-devel to be verified/tested first? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: managed to shoot? | 03:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yes, seems to work well. | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pics in some MyDocs/*/* as usual | 04:00 |
| javispedro | yep, or in gallery. | 04:00 |
| * javispedro could get used to something that tries to be filesystem-less, as said. | 04:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or in gallery | 04:00 |
| arvut | altho.. you know what? It's bloody amazing to type on this phone, love the keyboard and small screen so much!! | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | oder bei OBI | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 04:00 |
| arvut | the keys feels extra-special after a few spellbranches of blaze. | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a PITA the kbd shortcut isn't global | 04:03 |
| arvut | gonna build a desert, with dancing scimitars, mindmagi's and lots of blue fog.. | 04:03 |
| arvut | can I errm.. /msg myself? | 04:03 |
| rm_you | anyone know if you can rotate elements (or a whole pane would be easier) in Qt? | 04:03 |
| rm_you | it was stupidly difficult in Gtk | 04:04 |
| rm_you | but i need to do it for one of my apps | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 04:04 |
| javispedro | uh oh | 04:04 |
| arvut | yes! it wrks!! =) | 04:04 |
| rm_you | so like, half of the app is upside-down, so two people on opposite sides of a table can each read half of the screen | 04:04 |
| javispedro | for some reason CtrlShiftP only works in MTF apps | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there *might* be a property >rotation< on Qt widgets | 04:04 |
| javispedro | rm_you: it is probably way easier in Qt considering the interface is rotated that way in harmattan... | 04:05 |
| rm_you | honestly, it just popped into my head so i asked here before even googling it, i'll go check google now... | 04:05 |
| arvut | rm_you: that would be hax, or a mirrored image of the app, on half the screen. | 04:05 |
| arvut | two screens would be cooler tho. | 04:05 |
| rm_you | lol well durp :P | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what I said | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | (MTF) | 04:06 |
| rm_you | what version of Qt does it use? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so you still need screenshot for your app? | 04:07 |
| javispedro | seems that widgets gay did the trick | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 04:08 |
| arvut | space music.. right from di.. feels somewhat empty. piano n some echo right now =) | 04:08 |
| javispedro | btw boostedWA is faster version of widgets gay | 04:08 |
| javispedro | *boostedWG | 04:08 |
| arvut | whats that? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | boosted as in faster? | 04:08 |
| arvut | and... what's widgets gay? | 04:09 |
| javispedro | preloaded | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already wondered | 04:09 |
| javispedro | ooh, beatiful moment. | 04:09 |
| javispedro | on my desktop are the two N9{0,5}0 icons, the one made by timeless and the one made by ??? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Widgets Gallery app | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice to see the hack back. | 04:09 |
| arvut | >.< | 04:09 |
| Evanescence | My N900 Maemo5 system crashed now. I changed system font with App "change font". Of course maybe other reasons. but It can not connect with computer too. I need a good flasher manual. can you suggest some links or keyword for google ? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka "Widgets Ga..." as that's what's written on applauncher | 04:09 |
| arvut | I wonder, would it work to use the n900 as a server? with some good server OS on it? sshing into it as a gui would not be needed | 04:10 |
| arvut | or.. should one use it the other way around? to ssh into a large serverbox? | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: sorry, *what* do you need? | 04:11 |
| arvut | s/large/randomsized/ | 04:11 |
| infobot | arvut meant: or.. should one use it the other way around? to ssh into a randomsized serverbox? | 04:11 |
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| arvut | =) | 04:12 |
| Evanescence | docscrutinizer I need one "flasher" manual to recover system . | 04:12 |
| javispedro | http://share.ovi.com/media/javispedro.Pblico/javispedro.10005 ;) | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 04:13 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:13 |
| arvut | doc, please ask me to leave if you think I should (in case I spamalot) =.= | 04:13 |
| Evanescence | docscrutinizer not "flash" I guess that method of recover system is "flasher" | 04:13 |
| Evanescence | infobot: is that about recover system ? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: sorry you lost me completely | 04:14 |
| Evanescence | docscrutinizer anyway, I just want to recover system . | 04:14 |
| arvut | is there a new firmware out there? I got 2010.10 I think | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: in which way, from what? | 04:14 |
| arvut | ~firmware | 04:14 |
| infobot | rumour has it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ | 04:14 |
| arvut | l0l | 04:15 |
| javispedro | so where do I place my music on N950? It has both the usual ".sounds" and a newfangle "Music" directory on MyDocs. | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: the standard recomended way to "recover" is to flash COMBINED as in ~flash | 04:15 |
| Evanescence | docscrutinizer can you list out the best way ? it is better if it is simple. | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, deleted my typed line about rescue-initrd and meego then | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 04:16 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:16 |
| Evanescence | docscrutinizer i see. so is there some link to a good manual about flash ? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | IS the simplest way | 04:17 |
| Evanescence | infobot: ok | 04:17 |
| infobot | fine | 04:17 |
| Evanescence | thanks. | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: what are you? | 04:18 |
| infobot | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~blootbot | 04:18 |
| infobot | methinks blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo infobot | 04:19 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as infobot, DocScrutinizer | 04:19 |
| javispedro | uah | 04:19 |
| javispedro | n950 music player looks _great_ | 04:19 |
| javispedro | (behind the scenes seems mostly the same..) | 04:19 |
| javispedro | I specially love the scroll bars, which also appear on Mail and Contacts btw | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I only have seen the Hanna Montana pink writing "please connect to your PC to sync your music library" | 04:20 |
| javispedro | the scrollbar thingie is great | 04:20 |
| javispedro | just flick a bit, then grab the "handle" that appears on the right side | 04:21 |
| javispedro | you can scroll like it was a standard desktop scroll bar knob | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 04:21 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaaaaargh | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not a systemwide standard as in e.g settings menu there's only a ~3pixel wide scrollbar that I can't pick | 04:23 |
| javispedro | obviously, mediaplayer window stops refreshing when on the background | 04:23 |
| javispedro | ah | 04:23 |
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| javispedro | it refreshes | 04:23 |
| javispedro | just once every ten seconds | 04:23 |
| javispedro | not bad. | 04:23 |
| javispedro | could be better | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? in background?? | 04:23 |
| javispedro | when in task switcher | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 04:24 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the scrollbar thing is not standard | 04:25 |
| javispedro | seems only Mail Music and Contacts | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | this all is very very scary/disappointing | 04:25 |
| pauly | its raining outside | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice timepicker - not available for devels | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice scrollbar - not a standard either | 04:26 |
| javispedro | oh, it is available for devs -- using MTF I bet. | 04:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme rephrase: deprecated and unsupported for devels | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the new BS: it now asks me for my Nokia account password on every boot | 04:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you could say the entire platform is deprecated and unsupported, so... | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mehehe | 04:28 |
| javispedro | either way, I do not see that picker widget in MTF | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if we (the harmattan devels / N950 owners) should all /join #harmattan, and keep this channel for maemo | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: which picker widget? | 04:31 |
| javispedro | this channel would die | 04:31 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: date | 04:31 |
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| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, I like the idea of paying an endless homage to maemo using this channel, forever. | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think this chan would die, I think it would revert "to topic" and more N900 (and N8x0) related issues would begin showing up | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cpscotti: please rephrase | 04:33 |
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| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, but then again, it's less likely to get some help if people don't check this channel so often | 04:33 |
| javispedro | we get many N8x0 issues =) | 04:33 |
| pauly | i need symbian but no one is on the symbian channel | 04:33 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, I mean.. we all love maemo and the public is pretty much the same.. so.. why changing.. | 04:33 |
| cpscotti | if we had an extremely huge amount of people talking here at the same time to the point that it becomes unmanageable, than I think it would be ace to "fork" | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mainly because harmattan is meego - secondarily because all the N950 topics started to suffocate the maemo5 topics last week, and some users already grumbled | 04:35 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, .. well.. didn't see that but I believe it.. so.. well.. let's go! | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | most users may find all that N950 talk just annoying or at very best boring | 04:35 |
| pauly | n950 talk is aggervating because alot of people dont have one :(\ | 04:36 |
| javispedro | I am surprised you are trying to prevent n950 topics suffocating older devices ones | 04:37 |
| javispedro | that's exactly what happened during the n8x0->n900 transition | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 04:38 |
| villager | well, my n950-envy is relieved a bit by hearing about the device's crappiness | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I anticipated the very same effect for "meego"-harmattan and called it the last nail to maemo's coffin some months ago already | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | n950 traffic also emphasises the EOL status of n900, hence puts of dev work. | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno if that's significant - as of course QML/... can be done on the n900 too | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, what does this mean regarding your notion towards or against moving harmattan specific topics to #harmattan? | 04:43 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, well.. I'd be fine with #harmattan but keep in mind that most people prefer one "active" channel than three desert-like | 04:43 |
| cpscotti | (and as SpeedEvil is saying... at the end of the day it's all more or less Qt ) | 04:44 |
| cpscotti | night all! | 04:44 |
| javispedro | at the end of the days it's more or less Maemo. | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | cpscotti: this channel wasn't desert-like 2 weeks ago | 04:44 |
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| arvut | haha n900 xray is awesome :) | 04:44 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, fact... but well.. | 04:44 |
| cpscotti | anyways.. lol | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just dried out of N900 related topics when N950 started taking over, and I guess a lot of users are just not interested in filtering the few N900 ones from the - in their metrics - noise created by harmattan chat | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact: x-fade is on #harmattan | 04:47 |
| cpscotti | true..actually all your arguments are good | 04:47 |
| cpscotti | I changed my mind already.. I'm just bitchin | 04:47 |
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| lolcat | N950 == N9? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0 = 1? | 04:56 |
| lolcat | Is it diffrent devices? | 04:57 |
| lolcat | And 1 = 0.9999999... so I am not really sure | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you've been on vacation last 3 weeks? | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | N950 = N9 - pretty much. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The only truly major difference is lack of keyboard | 04:58 |
| lolcat | N950 has a keyboard? | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | n950 = n9 + pretty much | 04:58 |
| javispedro | n950 + amoled + nfc = n9 + keyboard | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: a search on youtube will get you the most convenient fast track insight to catch up | 04:59 |
| lolcat | Can I buy it? | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 04:59 |
| lolcat | Will I be able to buy it? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3597 | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no | 05:00 |
| lolcat | Dammit | 05:01 |
| lolcat | I guess I will have to stick with this Nokia phone I got for $60 | 05:02 |
| lolcat | It has a flashligth and can read what time it is in a female voice | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT'S COOL! | 05:02 |
| lolcat | Yeah, who needs browsers and that BS when you can *listen* to what time it is | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/espeaktime-python/ | 05:04 |
| lolcat | SpeedEvil: This one has a dedicated button for it | 05:05 |
| javispedro | bah | 05:05 |
| javispedro | the query animation dialogs are different when using MTF or QML | 05:06 |
| javispedro | this platform is going to be an amalgamation of a bazillion UI toolkits | 05:06 |
| javispedro | all of them will have "Qt" somewhere in the name and none of them will really be the same. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 05:06 |
| derf | So just like real Linux! | 05:06 |
| javispedro | except that the real Linux people still only know one Qt. | 05:07 |
| derf | Well, Nokia does need to differentiate in order to succeed in the market. | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems atm Nokia does a hell of a job to differentiate from itself | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a medical term for that, sth with sch... | 05:09 |
| javispedro | it just surprises me that they really chose to reimplement everything with every new Qt-based-toolkit-of-the-week iteration | 05:09 |
| javispedro | today's bingo says QML? reimplement all the animations in QML. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | didn't I call QML the "widget set flavour of the week" yesterday? | 05:10 |
| javispedro | yes | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe you want to /join #harmattan? | 05:12 |
| * javispedro sighs | 05:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's actually not been *my* idea | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I kicked #mer and #maemo-devel out of my autojoin just maybe a month ago ;-) | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think x-fade pondered where harmattan belongs to | 05:15 |
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| arvut | huppa! | 05:52 |
| arvut | I made a very special cocktail to cure my throat (summer cold) : a quarter of a bud, boiled in some alcoholic herbal liquid called echinaforce (spelling?) and then kan jang added for extra strength! I'm gonna be cured by the morrow. =P | 05:55 |
| * arvut wonders what could cure fever, cept those pills.. | 05:56 | |
| jonwil | Time to peer into the abys (otherwise known as the QT source tree) | 06:00 |
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| arvut | the void! | 06:04 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like I need to write some more logging code to attach to various signals and dump stuff | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | What're you trying now? | 07:24 |
| jonwil | This is related to CBSMS | 07:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 07:24 |
| jonwil | and then go on another odyssey to hit as many cells as possible | 07:24 |
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| jonwil | Exploring libcellular-qt from Harmattan didnt help me understand whats going on | 07:25 |
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| jonwil | Need to log various cell tower related messages from the Phone.Net dbus interface :) | 07:53 |
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| alterego | Still, my order is on "New Order" hope it changes today, really kinda wanted it to demo tomorrow. | 09:04 |
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| hiemanshu | alterego: everyone is hoping for that | 09:07 |
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| divan | alterego, mine was sent yesterday, so u can expect it any minute to be sent. | 09:26 |
| hiemanshu | divan: what was your OID number? | 09:27 |
| divan | hiemanshu, want to hijack? :) | 09:28 |
| hiemanshu | divan: naah, just an idea how many they processesd | 09:29 |
| divan | hiemanshu, 0527xx :) | 09:29 |
| hiemanshu | ah so you are from the 7xx | 09:29 |
| hiemanshu | some from the 92x got one too | 09:29 |
| divan | hiemanshu, yep | 09:29 |
| hiemanshu | so I guess its just random picking | 09:29 |
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| alterego | I'm 529xx | 09:32 |
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| hiemanshu | I am 887 | 09:33 |
| hiemanshu | something | 09:33 |
| alterego | Well, mine should probably ship today then, cool. | 09:34 |
| hiemanshu | well hoping it does :D | 09:35 |
| hiemanshu | yours and mine | 09:35 |
| hiemanshu | if it ships today, I'll have it by thursday or something | 09:36 |
| hiemanshu | so I can demo it on friday | 09:36 |
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| hiemanshu | anyone know the wifi chipset on the N950? | 09:39 |
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| macmaN | there is #harmattan? | 10:26 |
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| macmaN | did yall figure out what channel shall be the authoritative one for n950 | 10:27 |
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| hiemanshu | macmaN: haven't figured out the channel yet, but maybe we could register one and add it to the topic? we'll have to wait to hear from the council or something like that | 10:29 |
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| macmaN | more people getting on aegis slowly http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?226594-Running-console-apps-on-n950-Operation-not-permitted | 10:39 |
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| kerio | -sigh- | 10:52 |
| kerio | why doesn't nokia want me as a customer? | 10:52 |
| kerio | what have i done to upset them? :( | 10:52 |
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| hiemanshu | kerio: hah, same here :P | 10:56 |
| hiemanshu | well its barely 11am, so lets just wait :( | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | Mornig, all | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Feel free to add your own info to the wiki :-) | 10:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morning, and OK | 10:57 |
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| hiemanshu | morning DocScrutinizer Jaffa | 10:58 |
| krayon | DocScrutinizer: So you got one? | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 10:59 |
| krayon | Any good? | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 10:59 |
| krayon | Sadly I think I'll have to hope one shows up on eBay :/ | 10:59 |
| krayon | vs N900 though? | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer my N900 every single day | 11:00 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, what's wrong with it? | 11:00 |
| krayon | Oh, OK, cool. Thanks. That makes me feel better :P | 11:00 |
| krayon | I don't think I want the 9 - not much use without a keyboard | 11:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: for now it got aegis, and no xchat | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a c-ts that's really useless for me | 11:04 |
| Arkenoi | aegis? and why xchat does not work there? | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's probably not that xchat doesn't work, it's just I don't even bother to do a apt-cache search as I already know the result | 11:05 |
| Arkenoi | capacitive sucks for sure | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Hos is suffering today? | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | worse | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and moo | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: do you know where to get i2ctools binary? | 11:12 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: aegis cannot be fixed, xchat can be :P | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I know | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Not a clue | 11:14 |
| RST38h | Doc: well, you know what to do | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas -> df -h / -> 600MB; du -sxh /scratchbox -> 4.7GB | 11:15 |
| kerio | break aegis! | 11:16 |
| kerio | and/or fix xchat! | 11:16 |
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| kerio | wat | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm missing all the desktop feeling I still got on fremantle | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IOW harmattan is exactly what it's meant to be: the OS Nokia could and *should* use on all their smartphones | 11:28 |
| RST38h | True | 11:28 |
| RST38h | But will never come to pass. | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's really good for that | 11:29 |
| kerio | fucking elop | 11:29 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and its even really polished that much, its just a first release, and well it can be awesome! | 11:29 |
| gri | anyone ever tried syncing contacts between n900 and windows mobile 6.5? -> I want to burn that windows phone | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: indeed | 11:29 |
| gri | my girlfriend instantly fell in love with the n950 | 11:30 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: seeing nokia history, first release is bad, everything else works much better, so if this is called bad, and then I wonder what awesome would be like | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the fact is: IF I was interested in this kind of UX, I had an iPhone or Android since years | 11:30 |
| kerio | gri: vibrator app? | 11:30 |
| gri | kerio: No :) | 11:30 |
| kerio | k :( | 11:31 |
| hiemanshu | gri: if you are gettting one keep it away from her | 11:31 |
| hiemanshu | my dad asked for my N950 in exchange for a top end android, I said no | 11:31 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: true, but more then the UX, the backend/stack matters more | 11:32 |
| gri | hiemanshu: I have one ... she played the whole evening with it yesterday | 11:32 |
| hiemanshu | gri: ah nice | 11:32 |
| hiemanshu | gri: when did you order yours btw? | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: for now there's all aegis | 11:32 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: aegis is a dev problem, not a user problem | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | all your base are belong to us -greeting aegis | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: so the backend stack is a user problem??? | 11:33 |
| gri | hiemanshu: ordered thursday (7.7.), dhl tracking number on 8.7., delivery yesterday in the afternoon | 11:33 |
| hiemanshu | gri: same order date, not yet sent | 11:33 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the user exeperience depends on the stack really | 11:33 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: like cheap androids | 11:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head and turns away | 11:34 | |
| gri | hiemanshu: I liked the way how the n950 was packaged, seals everywhere ... and where did the dhl guy leave it behind? At the front door of the house because nobody was at home | 11:35 |
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| alterego | gri: Don't get me started on delivery agents :P | 11:39 |
| gri | alterego: I hate dhl express :) | 11:40 |
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| alterego | gri: I live in a flat complex and most people are out, so I end up taking deliveries for everyone as I generally work from home. But when I head out to go to meetings or whatever, I don't even get calling cards because the delivery agents can't get into the flat complex to post it through my letter box. | 11:40 |
| gri | They called me yesterday 2h before actual delivery "your address is wrong" - "no it isnt!" | 11:40 |
| alterego | And without a calling card, I don't know if anything has "arrived" and, I can't even pick it up because you _have_ to have the calling card. | 11:41 |
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| alterego | This is why I must have tracking numbers, so I know when things will be arriving and make sure I'm present ;) | 11:41 |
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| gri | yeah, that sucks | 11:41 |
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| gri | We have electronic packing stations for dhl deliverys which can be accessed 24h - but dhl express does not use them | 11:42 |
| ruskie | rofl | 11:42 |
| ruskie | hmm do I want to bind myself to a 24m contract with the cellco... no not really... | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: a relais that couples your doorbell with the dooropener is probably a good idea then | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: ^^^ | 11:43 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: that is not a bad idea at all .. | 11:44 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: I meant the so-called "Packstation"s all over Germany | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, as if I ever had a bad idea | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 11:45 |
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| alterego | :) | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: yeah, I just intercept the DHL guy by mere luck, when I hear a truck and a car door, and maybe some other suspicious things. We got no doorbell and the entry to the house is from backside (garden) as frontside is a shop - WAY TOO COMPLEX for the average DHL guy | 11:47 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise it's just a 3km walk to the DHL station, and a felt 1km inside the building to reach the desk where I get my package with some luck | 11:49 |
| ruskie | fun | 11:49 |
| * ruskie prefers the regular postal service around here for such things... | 11:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes it's a 10km travel to the suburbs though | 11:49 |
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| gri | for me it's about 200 meters to the station - that's why I complain dhl express does not use them! :) | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 11:50 |
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| hiemanshu | more reports of people getting their N950s :( | 11:51 |
| hiemanshu | its killing me | 11:51 |
| kerio | it won't be useful for me anyway | 11:51 |
| kerio | i have more than 16gb of music | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: indeed | 11:52 |
| RST38h | iPhone? | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and don't get fooled, you only have EIGHT GB of usable storage | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | kerio: roughtly 200G of music here :P | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | roughly* | 11:52 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: cool story bro | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | and about 20G on my phone | 11:52 |
| RST38h | hiemanshu: not counting porn? | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: no pr0n, only .mp3 or .aac or .m4a | 11:53 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, all legal? | 11:53 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: mostly yes :P | 11:53 |
| ruskie | nice | 11:53 |
| ruskie | I got some 60gbs | 11:53 |
| ruskie | probably 90% legal | 11:53 |
| ruskie | and most in flac | 11:53 |
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| hiemanshu | my car player doesn't understand flac, so I stay away from it | 11:54 |
| ruskie | don't really care about the car player | 11:54 |
| ruskie | n900 supports fm transmitting | 11:54 |
| ruskie | so isn't an issue | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *don't* have ~200GB, completely illegal :-( | 11:54 |
| Arkenoi | are 950s 16gb and no microsd? i've seen a tiny slot that looked much like microsd on it but did not open it | 11:54 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, probably the microsim slot | 11:55 |
| Arkenoi | ah | 11:55 |
| Arkenoi | they are microsim? | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: micro sim or mini sim? | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | I think they are minisim and not micro sim | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: normal SIM | 11:55 |
| Arkenoi | "normal" SIM is credit card sized :-) | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: thats minisim | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | mini-sim | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: meh | 11:56 |
| ruskie | I need to get http://www.teufelaudio.com/de/audio-streaming/1raumfeld-c-p6791.html one of these to stream the music around the appartment | 11:56 |
| kerio | let's just make a fake sim with storage in it! | 11:56 |
| hiemanshu | kerio: and write a driver for the gsm module to play music? | 11:56 |
| kerio | hell yeah | 11:56 |
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| gri | DocScrutinizer: Are your volume keys also a bit shaky? | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>*Important*: Do not use a mini-UICC SIM card, also known as micro-SIM card, a micro SIM card with an adapter, or a SIM card that has a mini-UICC cutout (see figure)...<< | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: yep | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | minimal (~0.01mm) | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy to feel | 11:59 |
| Evanescence | Does anyone knows how to install TV-B-Gone on maemo5 ? | 11:59 |
| Arkenoi | why? what happens then? | 11:59 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, a rift in space time | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: forget it, the reach distance of N900 CIR is <3m | 11:59 |
| Arkenoi | Evanescence, huh? it just works. though seems to know less codes than "hardware" version | 12:00 |
| Evanescence | I searched a little. And I watched one video. It can works on some TV. that's why I want to have a try. | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: where's the sense in you standing 1.5m in front of a random TV and trying for minutes to get it down? | 12:01 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, there are annoying TVs in public places | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once had a Casio wrist watch with universal IR-RC built in, that was fun, in cinema etc | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | but hardware version is much more handy | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | more powerful, fast and reliable | 12:03 |
| Evanescence | well. some guys do not know N900 ( i mean that a phone ) can do that. just have this curiosity. | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | this wrist watch really *worked* ~6..8m distance | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: fair enough then | 12:04 |
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| Arkenoi | i once turned on air conditioner with qtirreco | 12:04 |
| Arkenoi | to find out it was turned off because it emits bad smell | 12:04 |
| Evanescence | it's awesome. | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: get a IR flood illumination and put it into focus of a dish, then control this with your "hw version" | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's *real* fun | 12:06 |
| Evanescence | later to install that. I need to update firmware at first. I changed system font. then system can not startup anymore. | 12:06 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i was thinking about using ir laser from cd burner for that | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you easily take down the TV in a whole skyscraper ;-) | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: that's more the sniper variant, works quite well too | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | flood illumination may have too slow reaction to be modulated with signals | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just like 40 or 50 LED in a housing | 12:07 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: by the way, how to check out my N900 device module ? ( N900 or UK N900 devices ) . I can not startup my system anymore. | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: sorry, please rephrase | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno "N900 device module" | 12:08 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: here it is, from wiki: Download the latest firmware image for your device model: N900(For UK N900 Devices: Maemo 5 UK Firmware), | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | model | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 12:09 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: sorry. my poor english. | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just always use global variant | 12:09 |
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| Evanescence | ok | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | except *maybe* for special modem tweaks in US variant there's no known reports of any shortcomings of global vs any localized variant (maybe indians and japanese might disagree) | 12:11 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: well the only difference I found was no skype in indian version | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 12:12 |
| hiemanshu | gah, my F5 key broke again :( | 12:12 |
| ruskie | stop using it | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | again? lol | 12:12 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, 3rd time | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | since last thursday I guess | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: I cannot, not use it :P | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: naah, since the list was out | 12:13 |
| ruskie | use an alternate key combo | 12:13 |
| ruskie | f5 isn't the only refresh key | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, for now f6 will do refreshes :P | 12:13 |
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| ruskie | or just use some *userscript* to auto refresh | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you can assign arbitrary keys, and for FF there's also a "watch that page for changes" | 12:14 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: Can I switch virtual termial like linux ( Ctrl+Alt+F1 )? and how to press Alt. F1 on keyboard. | 12:14 |
| lardman | morning | 12:14 |
| lardman | any news on shipping? | 12:14 |
| hiemanshu | lardman: sent yet? | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | for konqueror there is "refresh page every <seconds>" | 12:14 |
| lardman | nope | 12:14 |
| hiemanshu | hah, none here :P | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: on N900? no | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: there are no VT on fremantle, usually | 12:15 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: all. so how to press "Alt", I find really most key can not be found. | 12:15 |
| Evanescence | i see | 12:15 |
| * hiemanshu goes for lunch | 12:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: alt == esc for most cases | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | alt+char == ESC; char | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | works for many but not all cases | 12:16 |
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| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: I see. which keyword to search in wiki to know about keyboard ? | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | even F3 == ESC; 3; | 12:17 |
| Evanescence | but no ESC on N900.... | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: sorry, please rephrase | 12:17 |
| RzR950 | and emacs meta ? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: there is, at least in xterm | 12:18 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: yes, only in terminal. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Evanescence: and you can redefine you keymap if you frequently need ESC | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometime it helps to know ESC = ctrl+[ | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on N900 frequently | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it ] ? | 12:19 |
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| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: ok, i see. Thanks. you answered many of my qestions. Thanks very much. | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe one more tip | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 12:20 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: ... what is yw, mompls ? | 12:20 |
| lardman | you're welcome is the first one | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters | 12:21 |
| Termana | he wants you to consult your mom instead of asking him everything | 12:21 |
| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: that's it. thanks | 12:21 |
| Termana | or that | 12:21 |
| Termana | :p | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and mom-ent please | 12:21 |
| Evanescence | I see. | 12:22 |
| lardman | hmm, might need to write some code to analyse when people ordered and when their device was shipped by looking at the wiki edits | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that was MAD usefull an app ;-P | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess in the end we could calculate pi to 20 digits from the norma deviation in the results | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | decimals even | 12:26 |
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| lardman | well I need something to do while I wait for some notification ;) | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: but whatever helps to make you feel better and make the time go by - definitely do it | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | same idea here | 12:27 |
| Termana | lardman, needn't bother, I've already found the function they are using to select who to send them out to | 12:27 |
| Termana | rand() % 250 + 1; | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably should develp that awesome app in harmattan SDK | 12:28 |
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| lardman | hmm, power being shut off to office, bbiab assuming nothing gets broken | 12:29 |
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| Termana | His computer is already broken - he's running Windows | 12:30 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, yes, he should make it in the Harmattan SDK and then run it on his devi... oh wait... | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman awaiting the guys from the black helicopers? | 12:36 |
| Evanescence | how to backup data in 35G disk of N900 ? ( my system is crashed,can not connect N900 disk with USB ) | 12:41 |
| Termana | Evanescence, manually install MeeGo onto your SD card and flash MeeGo kernel and then you can do the backup within MeeGo? | 12:43 |
| Evanescence | Termana: wow, give up | 12:44 |
| Termana | ? | 12:44 |
| Termana | I wasn't joking? | 12:44 |
| Termana | There might be an easier way, that way was just a suggestion that I knew would work | 12:44 |
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| ruskie | Evanescence, that's really the best way imho as well | 12:45 |
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| jonwil_ | YES, my new dump code works | 12:48 |
| jonwil_ | it dumps what it should be | 12:48 |
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| ruskie | what are you dumping? | 12:51 |
| CaCO3_ | Anybody got a N950 order status update today? Mine shows still "new order", since 7.7.2011 | 12:53 |
| deimos | same here | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join harmattan | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you like to | 12:53 |
| CaCO3_ | you mean a new chanel? | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #harmattan | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | even | 12:54 |
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| jonwil_ | I am dumping various things related to my cell broadcast SMS work | 12:57 |
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| jonwil_ | including IncomingCBS messages, registration_status_change messages, radio_access_technology_change messages, radio_info_change messages, cell_info_change messages and operator_name_change messages | 12:58 |
| jonwil_ | Tomorrow I go on some sort of odyssey to hit as many cells as possible | 12:59 |
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| jonwil_ | With this log I should hopefully know all the hooks I need to display the tower name correctly | 13:01 |
| jonwil_ | i.e. to decide when to display it and when not | 13:01 |
| jonwil_ | and when to throw away the current tower name until a new Cell Broadcast message comes in for the new tower name | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil_: wow, your project clearly is way more ambitioned than mine ever has been. Sounds like a complete well thought concept | 13:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed displaying a random cell's name as of 3 days ago when device last time had to switch to 2G where you actually get those SMSCB-chan50 msgs, is kinda silly | 13:05 |
| jonwil_ | basically I throw away the tower name if the registration status changes to any of the "no service" options, if the operator code changes, if the rat changes (i.e. 3g vs 2g) or if the service status changes (no coverage vs in service vs limited service) | 13:09 |
| jonwil_ | The logs I get tomorrow should show if I need to also throw it away on cell tower ID change or not | 13:09 |
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| jonwil_ | I am going off the assumption that if one tower on a network is pushing tower names, every tower is | 13:10 |
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| alterego | Has anyone managed to remove the "DEVELOPER EDITION" stuff and replace it with "AWESOME" yet? | 13:10 |
| ruskie | that's a rather large assumpiton I'd say | 13:10 |
| ruskie | alterego, ???? | 13:11 |
| Termana | alterego, you need to have a device in hand before you keep worrying about that :P | 13:11 |
| alterego | :) | 13:11 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: no one tried, plus I need to get the device in hand | 13:11 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: so I can do something about it | 13:11 |
| alterego | Well, I have the rootfs, I might have a little poke .. | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: your device sent yet? | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: any news of yours? | 13:12 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, nah, how about yours? | 13:12 |
| ruskie | is anyone keeping track of how many bricks there will be while testing stuff out? | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: no :( | 13:12 |
| Termana | alterego, besides "DEVELOPER DEVICE" == shit just got real | 13:13 |
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| hiemanshu | gah, so I am assuming, no device this weekend either :( :( | 13:14 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, yeah, definitely no device this weekend for me (takes too long to get here, even if it shipped today) | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: *if* mine ships today, I'll have it by the end of the week yes, but if tomorrow, then mostly next week :( | 13:16 |
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| hiemanshu | Termana: and I wont be home for most of the next week | 13:17 |
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| Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: I am using ubuntu natty. 11.04. which flasher should I use ? | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one that's available | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a 32bit and a 64bit version .deb iirc | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah wait, that's probably the harmattan new flasher, that's unsure to work or not for fremantle | 13:20 |
| Evanescence | I see. I find some based on debian. I do not know which one to choose | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for N900 fremantle there's probably just one .deb | 13:20 |
| Evanescence | .deb ? I find there are some tar.gz package for ubuntu. | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err isn't ubuntu a devian based distro? anyway you always can use the .tgz | 13:22 |
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| cpscotti | taaaaanaaaaa! | 13:42 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: ? | 13:43 |
| * cpscotti exhibits a big smile on his face! | 13:43 | |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: shipped? | 13:43 |
| cpscotti | Dear Customer, Your order has been sent on 12.7.2011. | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | wtf | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | where is mine | 13:43 |
| cpscotti | OID-052775 | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: when was it sent? | 13:43 |
| cpscotti | :D | 13:43 |
| cpscotti | noow | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | oh | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | damn you | 13:43 |
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| hiemanshu | I'll have to wait then | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | for a while :( | 13:43 |
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| cpscotti | hehe.. well.. I got the e-mail four minutes ago.. so.. | 13:43 |
| cpscotti | hope buddy! hope! | 13:44 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: I now officialy hate you | 13:44 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, lol! | 13:44 |
| * hiemanshu goes to the corner to cry | 13:44 | |
| RST38h | they never shipped mine and it has been 4+ days now | 13:44 |
| * cpscotti gets back to his QML tinkering, but now feeling a lill bit better | 13:44 | |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: same here | 13:45 |
| hiemanshu | I am in my dad office, sitting here all day doing nothing, I am going to sleep on the table now | 13:46 |
| hiemanshu | '5 days ago' that was the last email | 13:47 |
| ruskie | the more you wait for it the further away it'll be | 13:48 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: eh? | 13:49 |
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| hiemanshu | cpscotti: I have the QML and everything ready so far, I just need the device in hand to start testing and make an intial release | 13:49 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, not the same here.. I used to be a QGraphicsScene guy :D.. (but as far as backend goes, all's ready for Qt Mobility 1.2 :D) | 13:52 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: well same here, but I learnt QML in a couple of days and got a very usable GUI in another few days | 13:52 |
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| hiemanshu | cpscotti: anyways, /me goes back to weeping | 13:52 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, yep.. I'm falling in love with it pretty quick too.. | 13:53 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: using pagestackwindow? | 13:53 |
| hiemanshu | I need to figure that part out | 13:53 |
| hiemanshu | pages, and pagestackwindow, etc | 13:53 |
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| cpscotti | not yet | 13:54 |
| cpscotti | but looks like that's the way to go | 13:54 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, looks like it | 13:55 |
| hiemanshu | open page above another | 13:55 |
| vdv | i wonder why Program Manager works so slow, is there any way to fix that? | 13:55 |
| hiemanshu | vdv: program manager? | 13:56 |
| lcuk | vdv, only use the repositories you need. loading every version of every package takes time | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | boostWG switches example: Headlights, Autopilot, Warp Drive, Reactor Shields, Infinite Improbability Drive | 13:56 |
| lardman | yay! My order has been sent! | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-D | 13:56 |
| RST38h | arghhhh | 13:56 |
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| lardman | sorry RST38h | 13:57 |
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| lardman | hmm, jump from FF5 to FF6 was quick | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | http://goput.it/zf9.png | 14:03 |
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| hiemanshu_ | MohammadAG, alterego: got any email yet? | 14:14 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: is 775 got done now, I am pretty sure, I'll be next week :( | 14:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | s/is/if/ | 14:15 |
| infobot | hiemanshu_ meant: cpscotti: if 775 got done now, I am pretty sure, I'll be next week :( | 14:15 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: btw n900fly is nice :P | 14:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: I got 2-ish mtrs on it | 14:15 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, hahaha! That's preeeety old! First thing I ever did for maemo.. I heard they are not following order nº so.. hope! | 14:16 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: heh well yeah | 14:17 |
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| hiemanshu_ | and fucking quassel wont work on my laptop for some reason now | 14:17 |
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| hiemanshu_ | but it works on the windows PC here | 14:17 |
| hiemanshu_ | :( | 14:17 |
| cpscotti | hehe | 14:17 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu btw, saw you want to port opencv, count me in to test/help/use that.. I love that lib | 14:17 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: I have it ported, I have something to test as well | 14:17 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: I need a device :P | 14:18 |
| cpscotti | yep. you do! we all do | 14:18 |
| hiemanshu_ | well I am not going to check my nokia@ email or check the order status for the rest of the day now | 14:18 |
| cpscotti | my problem with it in maemo was that it was damn too slow (I believe mostly the cvCapture thing ) | 14:18 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: yes its slow, because you haven't optimized your code for a 600 mhz processor | 14:19 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: instead of using a steady stream, capture about 2 frames every second | 14:19 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: I wrote this code to auto change the brightness on the screen depending on the light | 14:19 |
| cpscotti | lol.. hiemanshu, what do you mean by "optimizing your code for a 600Mhz.."? you mean like.. do it as damn faast as possible.. | 14:20 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: nope, decrease the polling rate | 14:20 |
| alterego | I'm 529xx | 14:20 |
| alterego | No email yet .. | 14:20 |
| hiemanshu_ | yeah, waiting here too | 14:20 |
| alterego | There's plenty of time left today though :P | 14:21 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego: about 3 hours | 14:21 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego: that is not plenty, trust me | 14:21 |
| alterego | pfft, just be patient :P | 14:21 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, yep! but then you are just "processing less data", not being actually faster.. | 14:21 |
| cpscotti | but anyway, it's a good starting point | 14:22 |
| cpscotti | :D | 14:22 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: polling less data is still optimization yes, why poll for the extra data when you dont need it? | 14:23 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, agreed! | 14:23 |
| hiemanshu_ | I have a couple of .debs waiting here for a device to be installed on :P | 14:24 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, but what if you need it? like, anything with AR needs to be a lot quicker than 2fps.. | 14:24 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: that is secondary, I will looking into that as well | 14:25 |
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| hiemanshu_ | s/looking/look/ | 14:25 |
| infobot | hiemanshu_ meant: cpscotti: that is secondary, I will look into that as well | 14:25 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, one thing that makes a lot of sense too is lowering the capture resolution (sometimes 320xsmthgn is way enough).. | 14:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: its more important to get aegis to let it run this stuff | 14:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: yes that works too | 14:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | I always have the camera at 640x480 | 14:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | for my desktop | 14:27 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, the prob is that opencv is know for now supporting that kind of stuff. you have to set those thing directly at v4l, right? | 14:27 |
| cpscotti | s/know/known | 14:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: now or not? | 14:27 |
| cpscotti | hehe.. not | 14:28 |
| cpscotti | s/now/not | 14:28 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: thats true, but again its trivial | 14:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | its not like to need a lot of code to do that | 14:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | s/to/you/ | 14:29 |
| infobot | hiemanshu_ meant: its not like you need a lot of code to do that | 14:29 |
| cpscotti | yep yep.. it's just not trivial if people don't even know that's possible (I'd been in that group already.. hehe) | 14:30 |
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| hiemanshu_ | cpscotti: thats what we have google for :P | 14:32 |
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| vdv | I get "Audio codec not supported" for the Internet Radio channel | 14:32 |
| vdv | i've installed decoders-support | 14:32 |
| vdv | but error is still there | 14:32 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu_, indeed | 14:32 |
| vdv | url for radio is "http://www.101.ru/?an=port_channel_mp3&channel=99" | 14:33 |
| vdv | seems that it's mp3 decoder what is need | 14:33 |
| RzR950 | oga ! | 14:33 |
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| gri | Nice, the sdk installer from the device tells me "bad request" - wanted to find out if it's a different sdk than the normal "qt sdk" with experimental harmattan - anyone knows that? | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: somebody at #harmattan may know | 14:40 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer: didn't know it existed | 14:41 |
| gri | me too | 14:41 |
| gri | looks like the people there are the same as here? :) | 14:42 |
| hiemanshu_ | gri: yeah :P | 14:42 |
| hiemanshu_ | its like telling to ask #someonewhocares | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe, but their interest is maybe different | 14:42 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: If I ask you in #harmattan, you know the answer? :P | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | kimju seems isn't here for example | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | others may be digging into N950 and thus looking more often there than here | 14:45 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at the thresholds. | 14:45 | |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at the thresholds of the n900 battery system. | 14:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | They're not - quite - right - especially for older cells, and can do stupid shit. | 14:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer deletes a "whi" | 14:46 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: elaborate please | 14:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | meh, Nokia has not sent me my device yet :( | 14:48 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: yeah, same here | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh! I just got the e-mail that it has been sent, right after the moment I wrote it hasn't been sent... :D | 14:49 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: FU | 14:49 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: whats your OID number? | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | dunno | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | MicroB can't open either of the messages from Nokia Developer | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Tendancy to bootloop. | 14:49 |
| hiemanshu_ | can you please check? | 14:49 |
| hiemanshu_ | oh ok | 14:50 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: when did you order it? | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, I noticed that like a year ago | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, thursday next week | 14:50 |
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| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: what time? | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, I mean, thursday last week | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, dunno, somewhen in the afternoon maybe | 14:51 |
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| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: afternoon your time? | 14:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, yep. I'm in CEST. | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on very low battery the threshold between NOLO booting up linux and the whole system shutting down hard again is too small | 14:51 |
| hiemanshu_ | oh ok | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: (microB can't open) HAHA that's awesome | 14:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, can it open them for you? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: thought it's only me, with konqueror, who got issues with developer.nokia.com pages | 14:53 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, one guy in #meego-arm did manage to use that gap to download my charge script and start it ;p | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 14:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, using firefox, i had no issues with their website | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even managed to fix konqueror finally, by enabling cookies, and clearing out all cookies left over from prev sessions | 14:55 |
| hiemanshu_ | StatusNew Order F7U12! | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to redo that every now and then | 14:55 |
| * SpeedEvil is also unsure why BME is screwing up. | 14:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes my device will not charge with USB. | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It _will_ however charge with a stupid script to tickle the charge chip. | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they constantly are changing/fixing things with the developer.nokia.com login, as well as the ovi.com login | 14:56 |
| hiemanshu_ | SpeedEvil: I have that issue too, if my battery is completely dead, I leave it to charge for an hour, unplug charger, power it on, and then plug it back again | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: seperate issues | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | since yesterday N950 accepted my nokia.com account, so I finally could start map | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | map? | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yup, it wants you to register to nokia.com to get access to the map data | 14:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, btw, what use my order id would be for you? | 14:58 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: to know if they are going OID wise or just lucky draws | 14:58 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: cpscotti was 775, and someone else from here was a 7xx something | 14:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 14:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe I can look it up on webmail for you | 15:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | 32 people have got it 0_0 | 15:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: yeah, its a part of the email | 15:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmm hiemanshu_, you're not gonna like this | 15:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, OID-052869 | 15:01 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: thats nice :D | 15:01 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: mine is 887 | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | if they are in order | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | I am close by | 15:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | otherwise, FU | 15:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, hey. F me? | 15:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900: naah, the intern sending them | 15:02 |
| * RST38h is 910 | 15:03 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | well, if they are going by this order, then you'll have yours today too. tomorrow at worst | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Does it mean it will take forever? | 15:04 |
| * gri was 847 | 15:04 | |
| hiemanshu_ | RST38h: they send yours then? | 15:04 |
| RST38h | What is the last OID we know they have sent? | 15:04 |
| hiemanshu_ | RST38h: 869, Venemo_N900 | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Ok. Lots of OIDs to go then =( | 15:04 |
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| hiemanshu_ | RST38h: if they are in order, I'll have mine sent soon | 15:05 |
| lardman | I received my email today and my order # is OID-052779 | 15:08 |
| Termana | They are not in order | 15:09 |
| lardman | so I'm out of order apparently | 15:09 |
| lardman | Termana: yeah | 15:09 |
| Termana | I haven't received anything and I'm 756 | 15:09 |
| Termana | Still showing "New Order" | 15:09 |
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| Termana | Like I said earlier, the order is simply decided by the statement, rand() % 250 + 1 | 15:10 |
| Termana | :p | 15:10 |
| * RST38h is risking not to get the device by September =( | 15:10 | |
| RST38h | Termana: doesn't rand() return values in the 0.0..1.0 range? | 15:11 |
| hiemanshu_ | RST38h: thats they the % 250 | 15:11 |
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| Termana | RST38h, no, it returns numbers in the range of 0 to RAND_MAX | 15:11 |
| hiemanshu_ | lardman: so yours is being shipped too? | 15:11 |
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| Termana | in C++ at least | 15:11 |
| gri | maybe they sort by readability of names: my device package had a hand written sticker on it with my name :D | 15:12 |
| hiemanshu_ | gri: everyone has it, atleast from what I have seen | 15:12 |
| Termana | RAND_MAX being some high number that I don't remember off the top of my head | 15:12 |
| hiemanshu_ | gri: but thats just to match the stickers with the packages | 15:12 |
| Khertan_ | Morning | 15:12 |
| hiemanshu_ | Khertan_: Morning, what is the status of your device? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | 052736 FWIW | 15:13 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer: lol | 15:13 |
| * Khertan_ is impatient to come back to home to play with his n950 | 15:13 | |
| Khertan_ | hiemanshu_: at home waiting me on my desk | 15:13 |
| hiemanshu_ | Khertan_: it reached so fast? 0_0 | 15:13 |
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| Khertan_ | i was impress by dhl this time 10h to deliver it | 15:14 |
| hiemanshu_ | yeah | 15:14 |
| hiemanshu_ | damn, I just wish they ship mine soon | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | grr | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | Still new order | 15:15 |
| Khertan_ | 3h to reach germany, 2h to reach france ... to rest to travel to home | 15:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | MohammadAG: order number? | 15:15 |
| Khertan_ | s/to/the | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | OID-052896 | 15:15 |
| lardman | hiemanshu_: yeah, I received an email this morning, though nothing from DHL yet | 15:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | lardman: ah, wait for DHL | 15:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | MohammadAG: a little after me | 15:15 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yours shipped? | 15:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | MohammadAG: no | 15:15 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: yesterday i got email in morning , and dhl one follow at 17h fi time | 15:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | lardman: dhl will be a bit late | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu_, reassuring | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: you may want to /join #harmattan | 15:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | not yet, that is why he says FU to me. | 15:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol, there is a harmattan channel now? | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: yup, x-fade and dm8tbr discussed it and so it got greated | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | created* | 15:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 15:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | don't understand why we can't discuss it in here | 15:18 |
| lardman | I'd not be overly surprised to recieive the package before the email tbh knowing some shipping companies, no idea about dhl mind you | 15:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | lardman, you received the device? :) | 15:18 |
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| lardman | Venemo_N900: no, the email from nokia saying it has been shipped | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, my first mail with DHL tracking number was from:someguy@nokia | 15:19 |
| CaCO3_ | MohammadAG: Mine is 052828, but still sais new order :| | 15:19 |
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| lardman | docscrutinizer: hmm, ok | 15:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | lardman, ah. | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes sense as where from should DHL have your email-addr? | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | so anyway, how long does it take them to bring it here? | 15:20 |
| kwtm2 | Hi. Am trying to figure out if the KochMorse.py python morse code trainer will work on the N900. Does N900 use alsa or oss (or neither) for audio? Is PulseAudio compatible with either? | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alsa, and no | 15:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kwtm2, best way is to try, either on a device, or in scratchbox | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, actually N900 uses PA | 15:21 |
| Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer: they didn't have your adress until you give it to them, but nokia have tracking number and your email, so their delivery service sent you email :) | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: exactly | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: in fact I'd consider it data abuse when Nokia hands my email addr to DHL | 15:22 |
| kwtm2 | Venemo_N900: Naturally I plan to try; but the reason I ask is not only to determine if it's not worth trying at all, but also to see if any failure is due to a misconfiguration on my part rather than that it actually isn't compatible. | 15:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, how many days was it between the time you got your "your order has been sent" mail and the day it actually arrived? | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, 1 | 15:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | only? | 15:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | that is nice | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, DHL ships overnight | 15:23 |
| kwtm2 | DocScrutinizer: So, it sounds like what you're saying is, there are two incompatible sound systems on N900 (alsa and pulseaudio) but I should be able to get the N900 to use alsa? | 15:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kwtm2, if you use Linux, you can install the Maemo 5 SDK, launch the GUI and fire up this .py | 15:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kwtm2, pulseaudio is supposed to be compatible with alsa, I heard | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm2: they are not exactly incompatible, it's just PA is a sound server exploiting ALSA basics | 15:24 |
| kwtm2 | DocScrutinizer: Got it. Thx. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | also PA offers a semi-functional ALSA compatibility plugin afaik | 15:24 |
| hiemanshu_ | PA is more like an alsa plugin | 15:25 |
| kwtm2 | hiemanshu_: Oh, I see. Thanks! That info lets me move ahead rapidly in my understanding of how Alsa and PA fit together. Thanks! | 15:25 |
| gri | wow, n950 has some nice lib names: libmaemomeegotouchcontentsearchinterface.so.1.0.0 | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's like app->pseudo-ALSA->PA->ALSA-soundcard | 15:25 |
| hiemanshu_ | gri, hah | 15:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | gri, lol | 15:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | but Lennart is a total ass | 15:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Lennart? | 15:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, the PA dev | 15:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, Lennart Pottering? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~poettering | 15:27 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 15:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, yeah | 15:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, isn't he also the guy behind systemd? | 15:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | met him a few times when he was in India | 15:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, yes | 15:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | works for Red Hat | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and behind avahi GRRRRRRR >:-( | 15:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | he didn't seem like an ass to me | 15:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: we have to go deeper | 15:28 |
| kerio | find a way to make pulseaudio use alsa's OSS emulation | 15:28 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, you know him? | 15:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | I once watched a presentation about systemd from him | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: now THAT would be awesome | 15:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | nope, I don't know him | 15:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: s/awesome/stupider/ | 15:29 |
| kwtm2 | Venemo_N900: In the interests of efficiency, I'd rather quickly find out the answer to my simple questions than download a SDK with which I am not familiar and use it to run a program with which I am not familiar, since I'm sure that will itself engender a number of additional questions that should be as simple as the ones I just asked. I understand the mindset behind "try it and see" but for someone like me who is not set up to | 15:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, I know IRL, so yeah, I can say that he is one :P | 15:29 |
| kerio | (sic) | 15:29 |
| kwtm2 | devote so much time to tinkering with software (I can probably spare about 10 minutes for this), information sharing from more experienced people is probably the most efficient way. Thanks, though. | 15:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | I also recall talking to him once on irc, he didn't seem an ass then either. | 15:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, well then, I suppose you are right :P | 15:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, well, it again depends on what you call an ass :P | 15:30 |
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| hiemanshu_ | lol | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm2: now what was that?? | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | oh crap, pycage got a defective device | 15:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | meh, sorry, xchat died | 15:31 |
| hiemanshu_ | MohammadAG, yeah | 15:31 |
| kwtm2 | DocScrutinizer: tl;dr version: asking on IRC is faster than downloading a SDK to try, not because I'm lazy but because I might run into other snags | 15:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | whether he is an ass or not, he did nice work with systemd | 15:31 |
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| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, being an ass doesn't mean you cant be an awesome coder, I know a lot of people like that | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, to a certain degree that's what IRC is made for | 15:32 |
| frals | MohammadAG: defective in what way? | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | frals, touchscreen | 15:32 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, touchscreen issues | 15:32 |
| frals | "issues"? | 15:32 |
| hiemanshu_ | it wont work properly | 15:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, can I be not an ass but still an awesome developer? | 15:33 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, heh yeah :P | 15:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | okay! :) | 15:33 |
| hiemanshu_ | still no email, arrrgh! | 15:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | patience is a virtue | 15:33 |
| hiemanshu_ | I have none of it left | 15:33 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, and you say that because yours has been shipped | 15:34 |
| frals | wont work properly how? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: (systemd) just that I fail to see the need for yet another init system | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as with almost all of peottering inventions | 15:34 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25703&postcount=583 | 15:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, when I first knew I was chosen, I estimated that I get it in two weeks. | 15:34 |
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| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, Lets re-invent the wheel, It will be so cool! | 15:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, well, systemd makes F15 boot a _lot_ faster than F14 | 15:35 |
| frals | ok, so original description was as vague :) | 15:35 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, systemd isn't the only reason for that | 15:35 |
| frals | hiemanshu_: thanks | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_: yeah, then have it mounted with witworth left turn bolts, and force it to whole wheel industry | 15:35 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, np, he did send an email to DDP though | 15:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, I know, but it's one of them | 15:35 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, anyways FUDCon in India, you coming? :P | 15:36 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah, and then when people say its not worth it, start working on a new product | 15:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, India? I'm afraid I don't have the money to go there | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: and what's the revolutionary new concept in systemd that makes this speedup happen, which couldn't get implemented into upstart or even initV? | 15:37 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, :( | 15:37 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, and with F14, on my desktop I got about 10-15 second boots | 15:37 |
| kerio | F15 boot? | 15:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, watch the presentation, it is well explained. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I'm not complaining about people building better things, i'm complaining about them not caring about backward compatibility | 15:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, systemd is backward compatible afaict | 15:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, 15 secs? that is nice | 15:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, for me, F14 booted for a bit more than a minute, and F15 does in half a minute. after some tuning, I managed to get it below 20s | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I think I watched/read some stuff about systemd, and it seems there's nothing that's not been there in one form or another previously. So a complete redesign to fix minor flaws in existing software. Just like PA | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: and yes, I read it *shall* be backward compatible | 15:39 |
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| Termana | Talking about pulseaudio... | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | as is supposed to be true for PA, just PA's ALSA emulation sucks donkey balls | 15:40 |
| * Termana kicks pulseaudio into tomorrow | 15:40 | |
| Termana | stupid piece of garbage | 15:40 |
| Termana | darn bloody API crap | 15:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, well, as i recall, the main (as in most boasted) feature is that it can start and run stuff in parallel. I'm not sure why they couldn't just implement it in sysv or upstart though. | 15:40 |
| Termana | I CHANGE 1 variable and all of a sudden my application starts working like it's suppose to. Lousy details and documentation on how some of the APIs work | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think my Suse initV stuff does parallel startup since a decade | 15:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | honestly, I don't care as long as it works and it works better than the old stuff. | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: alas it doesn't | 15:42 |
| Termana | Now I just have to hope that it works on the N950 as well as it is working on my desktop atm :\ | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least PA doesn't | 15:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, I'm not talking about pa. | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just scared whenever I hear Poettering is threatening the world with a new brilliant thing to force into everything | 15:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 15:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | Termana, why don't you just use QtMultimedia? | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | as this guy gives not a rats ass about the people that need to keep old systems up and running and are concerned about no regressions with new stuff coming along | 15:45 |
| flux | I don't think you can easily achieve the level of parallellism as systemd can, though, with sysv | 15:45 |
| flux | you'd need something like inetd for unix domain sockets to do that. | 15:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | sysv is built for POSIX while systemd is optimized for linux specifically | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: quite a valid point | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: another reason to hate it | 15:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | another questionable notion of poettering - while for decades linux tried to get closer to a common unix standard, he seems to think linux has to take leadership and break new ground, no matter if unix at large will follow or even care | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | a rather androidesque notion | 15:49 |
| flux | I think the worst side of these systems that come to replace old systems is the lack of documentation. although uni-platformness sucks as well. | 15:49 |
| hiemanshu_ | still no email :( | 15:49 |
| Termana | Venemo_N900, I'm not sure QtMultimedia is suited for real time digital signal processing | 15:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | Termana, ah. probably not. | 15:49 |
| flux | at least pulseaudio's advanced features appeared woefully underdocumented to me that last time I looked at them. and upstart's documentation has a lot to improve as well. | 15:50 |
| hiemanshu_ | upstart is another stupid ubuntu project | 15:51 |
| Termana | On the other hand, using ALSA directly and not using pulseaudio would probably be better as well, but the N950 won't allow that easily I'm sure. | 15:51 |
| hiemanshu_ | like unity | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: definitely not, I heard Qt is using floats all over the place | 15:51 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: Already had a incoming call/sms with your n950? Mine can't assign names to messages when the contact is in the addressbook without +49 code - pretty annoying | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: even N900 doesn't easily allow that, as you will break all audio to make yours run | 15:52 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, any idea what stack nokia is using for the phone? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: nope | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_: where? | 15:53 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, the phone/calling part | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_: where? | 15:53 |
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| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, N950 :P | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see? if you had asked that question on #harmattan, it would've been clear ;-D | 15:54 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, lol :P | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, I don't know for sure which telephony stacks are used in harmattan | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess (and idications for that are strong) that they still use phonet | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course telepathy on top of that | 15:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | yep, thatams what I've heard | 15:56 |
| hiemanshu_ | ah | 15:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | gri, can you report the bug? | 15:56 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, no use, nobody will listen :P | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a completely obsolete OS version | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the current version has 3000+ bugs fixed, according to konttori | 15:58 |
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| hiemanshu_ | yeah, much more than I expect really | 15:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | and what? they will fix bugs. this bug is absolutely embarassing if they want the device to be used by end users | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think anybody at nokia will bother to check if any bug reported by N950 users is one of the 300 fixed ones, or actually a new one | 15:59 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, it might probably have been fixed, you cant say until you get the current image being used by the nokia devs | 15:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | at least give them the chance fix it and report it | 15:59 |
| frals | there is a reason its *preproduction* software | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/300/3000/. | 15:59 |
| gri | Venemo_N900: konttori reported they fixed around 3000 bugs since n950 fw (like doc said) | 15:59 |
| gri | we also have no close-swipe | 16:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | why aren't they releasing a new image for us then? | 16:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | gri, close swipe? | 16:00 |
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| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, ask someone who knows | 16:00 |
| gri | hiemanshu: top-down closes application instantly on the n9 | 16:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, they say a new image might be out in 3 weeks or so | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: you think somebody is going to spend days with triaging bugtickets against an obsolete OS? with a yield of 0.01% real bugs, while the rest already got fixed? | 16:01 |
| gri | its a developer device, we should expect bugs and miss features :) | 16:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, it won't be obsolete for a few more months yet | 16:01 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, it already is | 16:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | why is that? | 16:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I prefix all my contacts with +36, so this will probably not affect me. | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: this N950 developer version harmattan been obsolete months before any of us learned about N950's existence | 16:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, because it is | 16:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | aah. | 16:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, the image is dated 22-6 | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | so they deliberately flash an obsolete image version for us? | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | how annoying | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | but not surprising | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it's been forked months ago | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, yeah, and we have to wait for a newer one | 16:03 |
| frals | *sigh* | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, about 3 months? | 16:03 |
| gri | Venemo_N900: I also miss the fixing of a bug that annoyed me on the n900: When calling via sip, it doesn't show the contact name in "recent calls" list, instead you see a "sip:1236456456@provider" | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu_ | s/months/weeks/ | 16:03 |
| infobot | hiemanshu_ meant: Venemo_N900, about 3 weeks? | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu_ | hey frals | 16:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | ridiculous how they still haven't learned their lesson... | 16:04 |
| hiemanshu_ | ok, if I dont get an email within the next 30 mins, I probably wont get one today | 16:04 |
| frals | Venemo_N900: yes, ridiculous giving out devices for free before sales start of the enduser device so devs who are interested can see if theirs app run decently | 16:05 |
| frals | ;( | 16:05 |
| PolarFox | Sound stupid indeed. | 16:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | frals, that is a lesson they already learned at N900 time | 16:05 |
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| hiemanshu_ | frals, well, if you want devs to do that, atleast give them without aegis | 16:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm talking about the fact that they don't follow the rule release early, release often | 16:06 |
| flux | hiemanshu_, so when they finally make their apps, they won't work on the aegis-enabled devices? | 16:06 |
| hiemanshu_ | flux, no, but an option to turn it off/on | 16:06 |
| frals | Venemo_N900: i have a feeling Legal and certification etc puts a stop for that, unfortunately... but im not involved it that so i might be totally wrong | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: that's nonsense | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: there's a developer-mode of aegis, and this mode has to have NO restrictions at all | 16:07 |
| frals | 804eea99a48bd7d8e1f078ee4d1eef046827629f d5f1af1960e2b9b78dbd4fdc019b0680a7695f25 a3a53fad32be4e09ac0395de0d803c247cad79e6 | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: while the "normal" mode of curse should be identical to sales version | 16:08 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, so did you email anyone about my rant from yesterday? I still haven't got my device shipped :P | 16:08 |
| frals | ops | 16:08 |
| frals | hiemanshu_: achipa saw it already as you said it, so i assume it got noticed at the right level ;-) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | frals: Are these aegis unlock keys? | 16:08 |
| hiemanshu_ | RST38h, looks like md5 hashes to me | 16:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | frals, it is unfortunate indeed | 16:08 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, dammit, well everyone knows it was a rant :P | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/curse/course/ | 16:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: flux: while the "normal" mode of course should be identical to sales version | 16:09 |
| frals | RST38h: commits im about to cherry-pick ;) | 16:09 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, well, that would be ideal. but I imagine in principle it is possible to develop 'normal' apps even with aegis enabled. | 16:09 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, commits to? | 16:09 |
| RST38h | "in principle" is the keyword | 16:10 |
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| frals | hiemanshu_: what i do at work | 16:10 |
| hiemanshu_ | frals, ah | 16:10 |
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| flux | I wonder if anyone's tried if the frals' suggestion about disabling aegis on those developer devices, ie. does it really brick them :) | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: the very first thing I managed to do while trying to install and use a bash.deb deployed by Nokia(!) was to "brick" my device | 16:11 |
| frals | flux: i think it results in the same screen as that DocScrutinizer got after trying to get bash running | 16:11 |
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| flux | well, those would be two different things, no? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | which 2 things are different? developing an app and trying to install bash? | 16:13 |
| flux | trying to tell the device to disable aegis and installing a deb | 16:13 |
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| hiemanshu_ | flux, and how is that two different things? | 16:13 |
| hiemanshu_ | flux, you cannot install apps because of aegis, which makes the dev devices useless until we get one | 16:14 |
| hiemanshu_ | which allows you to install the .debs easily without making aegis cry | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_: actually you *can* install apps that are built on your SDK | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as the SDK is supposed to auto-create a manifest for your app | 16:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, but in a real world I am not going to install only apps built using my sdk | 16:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, for example, I'll need opencv | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the question is how much we trust in that, when even Nokia manages to spoil things | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_: yes, I'm aware | 16:15 |
| hiemanshu_ | I am not going to write a manifest for the loads of files/libs it creates | 16:16 |
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| alterego | Automate it then .. | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it allegedly IS automated - in the SDK | 16:16 |
| hiemanshu_ | hey alterego, your device shipped yet? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 16:17 |
| alterego | Nope | 16:18 |
| hiemanshu_ | DocScrutinizer, I compiled about 5 libs in the sbox SDK, but well no easy way to test it, without learning to package and writing a manifest | 16:18 |
| alterego | Still "New Order" | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, :( | 16:18 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, still hoping it is shipped today? | 16:18 |
| alterego | Meh, I'm not too fussed tbh :P | 16:18 |
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| alterego | At least I know it's somewhere in the warehouse waiting for me :) | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, told ya it'll take 2 weeks | 16:18 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: I'd probably have it if there wasn't a cock up with my application :P | 16:19 |
| hiemanshu_ | I move to a new place next week, and well I dont want to keep running up and down to check for my package | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | a cock up with your application?? | 16:19 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: well, they couldn't find my nokia developer account from the username and AID I provided .. | 16:19 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, not really no, I haven't yet got it either :P | 16:19 |
| alterego | Don't really know why, but meh. | 16:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, LOL... | 16:20 |
| alterego | So that was resolved on Friday. | 16:20 |
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| alterego | But meh. | 16:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | meh indeed | 16:20 |
| alterego | hiemanshu_: obviously it's still possible it'll ship today, but seems increasingly unlikely with every minute ;) | 16:21 |
| alterego | Now I guess I hope it gets dispatched by Thursday so I have it for the weekend. | 16:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 16:21 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, hah, well I am not going to use the F5 button for the rest of the day today until I get back home | 16:21 |
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| alterego | hiemanshu_: meh, I've been checking maybe once every couple of hours | 16:22 |
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| alterego | Doing it every five minutes isn't going to make it arrive any sooner. | 16:22 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, I am away from my dev computer, so I have pretty nothing else to do :P | 16:22 |
| alterego | And just makes you feel a bit frustrated :D | 16:22 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:22 |
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| hiemanshu_ | so I am playing flash games, watching random youtube videos and hitting F5 every now and then | 16:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:23 |
| vdv | ~optify | 16:24 |
| vdv | ~optification | 16:24 |
| infobot | hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 16:24 |
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| hiemanshu_ | 33 have received their devices, now I am starting to get worried :/ | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, just make a script that hits F5 for you | 16:26 |
| Termana | hiemanshu_, didn't you just say you weren't going to check anymore? :p | 16:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | Venemo_N900, meh, I am on a windows computer right now | 16:26 |
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| hiemanshu_ | Termana, I checked the wiki page | 16:26 |
| hiemanshu_ | Termana, and not the order pagea | 16:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu_, ah. | 16:27 |
| hiemanshu_ | -s | 16:27 |
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| Termana | hiemanshu_, I'm wondering whether they just decided the 150 euro or so it's going to take for them to ship it to me was just not worth it? :P lol | 16:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | Termana, well, trust me its worth it :P | 16:29 |
| hiemanshu_ | anyways last time checking for the day, if nothing, then hoping for tomorrow :P | 16:30 |
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| Lantizia | is "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan" (the debian based MeeGo going on the N9) likely or unlikely to officially/unofficially be available for the N900 at some point? | 16:38 |
| jonwil_ | not going to happen | 16:38 |
| hiemanshu_ | Lantizia, unlikely, there is a Meego CE though | 16:38 |
| hiemanshu_ | Lantizia, ask in #meego-arm | 16:38 |
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| Lantizia | hiemanshu, don't want rpm's | 16:39 |
| hiemanshu_ | then unlikely | 16:39 |
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| Lantizia | ok back to work :S | 16:41 |
| Lantizia | thanx | 16:41 |
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| hiemanshu_ | alterego, still expecting it to be shipped today? :P | 16:51 |
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| alterego | Not particularly :P | 16:51 |
| alterego | But like I said, I don't really care either :P | 16:52 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, well as long as it arrives before this weekend, its fine | 16:52 |
| alterego | I'm sure I'll survive even if it doesn't :P | 16:52 |
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| hiemanshu_ | well I'll survive too, but I'll move out of this house to a new place, so yeah, hoping to have it ASAP | 16:53 |
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| rm_work | yeah whatever, i'm busy this weekend too | 16:56 |
| rm_work | so caring less that i'm also still in "New Order" | 16:56 |
| rm_work | how many have they been shipping per day? | 16:56 |
| rm_work | can we tell? | 16:56 |
| alterego | I think it's been sub 100 | 16:56 |
| hiemanshu_ | rm_work, not really no, but I am expecting around 20-30 | 16:56 |
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| alterego | You have to remember that they're not just shipping N950s to people like us, they're shi[[ing all sorts of phones to all sorts of people and places. | 16:57 |
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| alterego | So it's quite a random number per day I'd imagine. | 16:57 |
| hiemanshu_ | yeah, really random | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | What is strange is that when you placed your order doesn't seem to have any berring on when they'll ship it | 16:58 |
| RST38h | moo rm_me | 16:58 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: that is because they do not know | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: They don't know when the order was placed? | 16:59 |
| hiemanshu_ | fiferboy, it said 1 week to receive it really | 16:59 |
| hiemanshu_ | s/really// | 16:59 |
| infobot | hiemanshu_ meant: fiferboy, it said 1 week to receive it | 16:59 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: the whole service is considered a courtesy and thus does not have any expectations attached | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: I know, and I'm not complaining. I just wonder how they choose which ones to ship | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | Do they just pull a random sample? | 16:59 |
| hiemanshu_ | fiferboy, so far, randomness | 16:59 |
| rm_work | yeah, i expect the poor people whose job that is are freaking out T_T | 17:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | yeah, some people from 7xx, 8xx, and 9xx got theirs shipped | 17:00 |
| hiemanshu_ | rm_work, or laughing at us :P | 17:00 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:00 |
| rm_work | prolly like OMGWTF | 17:00 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: they do not, probably just have an intern randomly pulling emails =) | 17:00 |
| rm_work | going from shipping a few devices per day to OH MY GOD | 17:01 |
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| * GAN900 moans. | 17:01 | |
| RST38h | like it has never happened before... | 17:01 |
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| alterego | Either that or they're using evolution, I swear the ordering of messages in evolution is somehow annoyingly retarded. | 17:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | GAN900, yours sent? | 17:02 |
| lcuk | <DawnFoster> Community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting :) | 17:02 |
| GAN900 | Nope | 17:02 |
| hiemanshu_ | GAN900, dammit | 17:02 |
| Scifig | alterego: Or like modest on N900 where junk emails remain on top even after being read 7 days ago | 17:02 |
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| alterego | Can;'t say I've had that problem, the only issue I've ever had with mail on the N900, is that now I can't seem to send any anymore. | 17:03 |
| alterego | Which started yesterday. | 17:04 |
| rm_work | alterego: T_T | 17:04 |
| alterego | Must look into that. | 17:04 |
| alterego | Hrm, I want a script that will log wifi access points my device sees | 17:04 |
| alterego | I thought that the wifi list was exposed over dbus, but can't seem to find anything .. | 17:05 |
| alterego | Oh, and signal strength and gps coordinates ;) | 17:05 |
| rm_work | thanks for the notice lcuk | 17:05 |
| lcuk | thanks for noticing the notice rm_work \o | 17:06 |
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| hiemanshu_ | alterego, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k | 17:07 |
| rm_work | lcuk: lol yeah i would expect weekend evenings to be THE HIGHEST USAGE :P | 17:08 |
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| GAN900 | The randomness is the killer part. | 17:10 |
| hiemanshu_ | yeah, maybe I should email DDP asking for a date so I can be expecting even after I have moved to a new place | 17:11 |
| alterego | You could probably get them to ship it priority if you give them a good reason to do it ;) | 17:12 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, I am moving houses, the only reason for my urgency :P | 17:12 |
| hiemanshu_ | but well I wouldn't whenever it is sent, after all we aren't paying a penny for it | 17:13 |
| hiemanshu_ | +mind | 17:13 |
| hiemanshu_ | alterego, saw the video I linked you to? a must watch :P | 17:14 |
| alterego | Yes, very funny :) | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | any new N950 shipments today? | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | Nokia: currying me of optimism at least once a year. | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: balti? | 17:21 |
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| achipa | hiemanshu: noted | 17:23 |
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| achipa | and for all of you rest, I'm working on getting a bit more docs about aegis out than is in the current docs | 17:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | achipa: :) | 17:24 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders idly about harmattan on n900 | 17:24 | |
| Jaffa | achipa: That wouldn't be hard. | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: There's a quite amusing TMO thread | 17:25 |
| achipa | Jaffa: what - that ? | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I try to focus on more productive things than TMO. :) | 17:25 |
| * achipa is stumped - got an update while the device was updating. First time I felt release often backfire this bad... | 17:26 | |
| achipa | s/fire/fired/ | 17:26 |
| frals | achipa: always press refresh before starting update ;-) | 17:26 |
| achipa | frals: right, right | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: anidel and h0pbeat got shipping notices | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | Not me, still | 17:28 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: "Harmattan HE" has people trying to pull stuff out of images | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | With success yet? | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | Somehwere under http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047072 | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | it wouldn't be hard to get the swipe UI on the N900 | 17:29 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Extracting stuff from images is easy, but running stuff is more interesting (and, presumably, harder) | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | though the edges of the device won't be helpful | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: indeed. | 17:29 |
| achipa | hiemanshu: as for manifests - let's not hate just for the sake of hating. install files are manifests. sudoers are a sort of manifests. So let's not go overboard there - as long as it's actually doable | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: \o/ for docs on aegis | 17:30 |
| frals | MohammadAG: that would not be porting, that would be writing your own implementation of someone elses design ;) | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | frals, no, it would be illegally copying all bins and libs onto MeeGoCE :P | 17:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah - diddn't realise there was hardware incompatibilities WRET thumbn in the processor | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Which would at least require a trap emulator layer | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: I'm just asking for a single manifest that enables virtually everything for root when in developer-mode | 17:34 |
| Appiah | - | 17:34 |
| Appiah | ops | 17:34 |
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| flux | speedevil, just some binary conversion :) | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | #harmattan getting on pace slowly | 17:37 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: yes, I know, I fully expect someone to make a "superbash" package that has all the grantable tokens | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: you might want to /join #harmattan | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Already did 30 seconds ago :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: ^^^? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | #harmattan? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: great! | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (superbash) | 17:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | superbash? | 17:39 |
| * SpeedEvil wants superuboot. | 17:39 | |
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| hiemanshu | achipa: well once there are docs and its easier to automate it, I'll give it some love :) | 18:04 |
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| hiemanshu | achipa: I am used to scp-ing the cross compiled files for all my devices, so yeah, I'll take a while, but I'll come around :P | 18:05 |
| achipa | I'm pretty sure you can jerry-rig a process that would catch and execute your stuff | 18:06 |
| achipa | but as dpkg is the priority, the SDK naturally uses that by default | 18:06 |
| hiemanshu | yup, agreed | 18:07 |
| vdv | how can i tell ls to show whether an object is symlink or not? ls -la should show that, but not in my case | 18:07 |
| hiemanshu | achipa: I just like to rant, so dont mind me :P | 18:07 |
| vdv | i do ls -la /opt | 18:07 |
| vdv | isn't it a symlink to /home/opt ? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | vdv: it's a bindmount | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 18:09 |
| vdv | ah, right, thanks | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /home/opt on /opt type none (bind) | 18:11 |
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| hiemanshu | achipa: so far everything that has been done is awesome :) | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, docs on devel.nokia seem better han ever | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | still missing some bits | 18:12 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, It was so easy to learn the qt-components bits, lovely docs | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | note: the method I mentioned yesterday does work for running arbitrary (without digsig) binaries, at least as user. | 18:19 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: which one? | 18:19 |
| javispedro | aegis-developer-mode --relaxec-exec | 18:20 |
| javispedro | *relaxed (damn, this word seems to refuse being spelt correctly) | 18:20 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: ah, thanks | 18:20 |
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| djszapi | is there a way to build N9 packages without scratchbox ? | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | was that a new record of "ask question -> leave"? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | he didn't even wait for the answer =) | 18:21 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: naah, 9 seconds gap, so no | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | btw, if you are serious about that #harmattan channel (I still think it's a bad idea), please have it logged ASAP. | 18:22 |
| javispedro | otherwise it is an information black hole, like Facebook or similar sites. | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | ~seen mgedmin | 18:24 |
| infobot | mgedmin is currently on #maemo #storm, last said: '/home is on the root fs, so reflashing wipes it -- it's only /home/user/MyDocs that's preserved (unless you reflash eMMC)'. | 18:24 |
| rm_work | yeah harmattan discussion really can just be here probably :/ | 18:26 |
| nmjnb | I'm trying to reflash my n900 with the fiasco but I'm having trouble getting a connection with my windows pc. (Win 7 32bit) Any suggestions for a solution? | 18:26 |
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| CaCO3 | nmjnb: do you get a normal connection to win 7? | 18:28 |
| nmjnb | CaCO3: no, it's been a while since that worked. | 18:28 |
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| nmjnb | I try putting it in pc suite mode, but still doesn't find my phone. Just connecting to copy from/to internal memory is no problem. | 18:29 |
| CaCO3 | nmjnb: I am not even sure if it works on win 7. could you try on an win XP or linux? | 18:29 |
| nmjnb | I thought it would be alright with 32bit OS. I don't have an XP right here, I do have a machine running Ubuntu Server UEC. Would that work? | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Moo. | 18:30 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 18:30 |
| CaCO3 | nmjnb: well, if you can copy data from/to it, then it seems to be ok | 18:30 |
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| CaCO3 | nmjnb: for teh flasher, just reboot the phone while keyboard open and "U" pressed | 18:31 |
| nmjnb | I could install a virtual in virtualbox, but I don't know if it get's full connection to the usb-ports or if windows will control the flow somehow. | 18:31 |
| achipa | People in australia now probably think I'm a perv and it's all Ovi's fault | 18:31 |
| lolcat | achipa: Why do they? | 18:31 |
| nmjnb | CaCO3: I did that, but I should have the flasher running on the computer, right? And that's what I did, but it said it couldn't find any device. | 18:31 |
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| achipa | I demoed ovi store deep integration. Unfortunately the only content available for the region and device (and thus served in my demo application) was http://store.ovi.com/content/49927 | 18:33 |
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| achipa | oops | 18:33 |
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| CaCO3 | nmjnb: you should also be able to start the flasher while the phone is waiting (showing the USB icon on top right corner) | 18:33 |
| hiemanshu | achipa: wrong window? :P | 18:33 |
| achipa | no, wrong content - thanks to Ovi store :( | 18:34 |
| nmjnb | achipa: at least it was a hottie.. | 18:34 |
| CaCO3 | and people pay for that???? | 18:34 |
| javispedro | yes, your demo will now be forever burned into the minds of your audience =) | 18:35 |
| nmjnb | CaCO3: I've tried that also, no luck. | 18:35 |
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| CaCO3 | (not that it is not nice, but I never would give money :) | 18:35 |
| nmjnb | They pay just to download that picture? | 18:35 |
| CaCO3 | nmjnb: whichg flasher are you using? | 18:35 |
| achipa | yeah, they will surely remember ... though not necessarily in the best of ways | 18:35 |
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| nmjnb | flasher 3.11.3 is what it says in one of the text files but I don't know for sure.. | 18:37 |
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| nmjnb | it's the only up to date windows version. | 18:37 |
| hiemanshu | nmjnb: double check, if you downloaded the N900 one or the N950 one | 18:37 |
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| CaCO3 | I usually use maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 | 18:39 |
| nmjnb | actually, on the page it said n950, but I assumed it would be backwards compatible | 18:39 |
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| hiemanshu | nmjnb: its not, grab the N900 one | 18:40 |
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| nmjnb | there is none that say it's compatible for the n900. I'll check the old downloads. | 18:41 |
| nmjnb | nope, none that say it's for the n900 | 18:41 |
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| nmjnb | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 18:41 |
| hiemanshu | nmjnb: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 18:42 |
| hiemanshu | nmjnb: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Windows 7, XP and Vista (x86, 32-bit), thats one you need | 18:42 |
| nmjnb | hiemanshu: ok, strange that they don't write that it's for the n900 then | 18:42 |
| hiemanshu | nmjnb: N900 is fremantle :P | 18:42 |
| CaCO3 | well, up to now it was for all devices I guess, but now N950 got a new one | 18:43 |
| nmjnb | hiemanshu: hehe, ok.. I'm not a developer... :P | 18:44 |
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| nmjnb | just trying to get more out of my phone. And right now I got a bit too much.. installing the "kernel power" kernel. Got some issues so I'm trying to revert. | 18:45 |
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| CaCO3 | nmjnb: I suggest to use backum-menu. always helped me to restore a working system | 18:46 |
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| nmjnb | CaCO3: what's that? | 18:47 |
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| slonopotamus_ | how i input numbers in dosbox on n900? | 18:48 |
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| CaCO3 | nmjnb: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/ | 18:49 |
| CaCO3 | works great for me | 18:49 |
| nmjnb | can I install it from aptitude? | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: google suggests ypu know the trick :) | 18:50 |
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| nmjnb | btw, I tried the other flasher, still same problem. It doesn't find the unit. Perhaps it's a problem with my OS then. | 18:50 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus_: what's your n900 keyboard layout? us? | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: ru | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: with broken-minded arrows :) | 18:51 |
| CaCO3 | you will even find it in the package manager or also attitude if you prefer | 18:52 |
| nmjnb | broken minded arrows? meaning you don't have 4 separate keys for the arrows? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | slono: that can be fixed | 18:52 |
| lardman | hmm, still no DHL email | 18:52 |
| nmjnb | CaCO3: ok, thanks | 18:52 |
| RST38h | slono: there is a proper cyrillic keyboard, apparently chinese made | 18:52 |
| nmjnb | but I guess it's too late now anyway. I need to get a new kernel in. | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | nmjnb: 2 keys, up/left and down/right (need Fn) | 18:52 |
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| slonopotamus_ | RST38h: that's irrelevant, i just want to type numbers into dosbox :) | 18:53 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus_: well, ru layout is not done =) but if you only need numbers, or can stand US layout, get http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/rover/rover.sys , place it on C: , and run keyb rover.sys us | 18:53 |
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| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: and how i enter numbers after that? | 18:55 |
| javispedro | hold fn + number key | 18:55 |
| nmjnb | Fn + the upper row, I guess | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: keyb said "No layout auto". is it ok? | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: pressing Fn immediately produces a backtick :/ | 18:56 |
| javispedro | no, it's ok. | 18:56 |
| javispedro | is this dosbox from extras? or is this someone else's? | 18:57 |
| javispedro | *it's not ok :) | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus_ | extras | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: also, in terminal: KEYB: ./rover.sys: Library file, but no layoutName | 18:58 |
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| javispedro | "keyb rover.sys us" | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: at least arrows work (as in us layout, 4 separate keys) | 18:59 |
| javispedro | also remember DOS uses \, not forward slash | 18:59 |
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| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: woot | 18:59 |
| nmjnb | if someone likes to play games on their n900, the us layout is also needed to get the 4 arrows. Most games are made for them. | 19:00 |
| nmjnb | I can just walk to the sides, get's boring after 2 hours... ;) | 19:00 |
| slonopotamus_ | holy crap, eye of beholder I on n900 :D | 19:02 |
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| Triscar0 | hi, my n900 boots up and i get sim card registration failure? how can i fix this?, tryed to reflash it but didnt work | 19:06 |
| CaCO3 | Triscar0: did you try a restart and removing/reinstalling the sim? | 19:07 |
| Triscar0 | yes, can try again. | 19:07 |
| CaCO3 | and is it working on another phone? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | check SIM with other phone, check phone with other SIM | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus_ | Triscar0: try putting something between sim card holder and battery :) folded piece of paper, for example | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: meh | 19:09 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: that fixed mine :) | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: will at least need to be skin of a lizard | 19:10 |
| nmjnb | "http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" | 19:10 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: no right-click? | 19:10 |
| javispedro | no | 19:10 |
| nmjnb | I can't access the extras devel repo from my n900 | 19:11 |
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| nmjnb | Sub-process gzip returned an error code, so I have an issue with my gunzip? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: if that helped then not because it did anything with SIM, but because it bent the mainboard so the solderballs of modem chip BGA got some temporary contact again | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: SpeedEvil could fix his by pressing "E" key on kbd, or did it break things? cant rememeber | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: clean the SIM contacts and gold dprings in cardholder with unvarnished paper like business card. try SIM on other phone to make sure it's not an account issue, clean contacts again, test with other SIM. If that all doesn't help, you're in for a repair or a N8 | 19:15 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro: i can't fight :( | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not me - maybe someone else | 19:19 |
| Triscar0 | DocScrutinizer, it works in my other phone, but the problem was that lost it on the floor and the touch screen dident work, people called me but i culd not answer. but when i fixed the touch screen and booted up i get the sim error | 19:19 |
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| alterego | looks like another order has gone through. | 19:21 |
| alterego | Oh wait, he's on "New Order" too :D | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: seems your modem is broken then | 19:22 |
| hiemanshu | alterego: who? :P | 19:23 |
| cpscotti | one thing that's bugging me; Seeing all this talk about relentless F5ing I wonder.. am I the only one who actually uses ctrl+R instead of F5? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky it'sonly the SIM holder that is broken | 19:23 |
| alterego | qole | 19:24 |
| alterego | hiemanshu: ^ | 19:24 |
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| hiemanshu | cpscotti: maybe yeah | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | but I fixed my F5 key :P | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | again | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Yeah, I thought he was shipped too at first | 19:25 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 19:25 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/385367/what-requests-do-browsers-f5-and-ctrl-f5-refreshes-generate :D | 19:26 |
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| hiemanshu | cpscotti: yeah, I know that :P | 19:26 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, .. that's how paranoid I am :D | 19:27 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: but you are getting yours, got a tracking number yet? | 19:27 |
| cpscotti | yup! | 19:27 |
| cpscotti | http://www.dhl.fi/content/fi/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=9574566842%0D%0A | 19:27 |
| cpscotti | lolhehe | 19:28 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: bad idea to share it with me, I am going to intercept the package and steal it | 19:28 |
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| CaCO3 | if you really are paranoid, use this: http://www.check4change.com | 19:29 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, lol | 19:29 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: you know I'll do it, I have a lot of contacts in London | 19:30 |
| cpscotti | CaCO3, cool! :D | 19:30 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, would you be THAT evil? | 19:30 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: ja | 19:30 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, goosh! What did I do! :O | 19:32 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: got yours shipped before mine? | 19:32 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, hmm.. almost fair.. Yours will be shipped soon dude.. be cool | 19:34 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: I know I know, I am just bored right now | 19:34 |
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| * cpscotti trying the "Negotiator" role. | 19:37 | |
| hiemanshu | I need to buy an X7 as well some time soon | 19:38 |
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| hiemanshu | just for the 4" AMOLED screen | 19:38 |
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| piggz | hiemanshu: why not get a screen from ebay, and try and solder it to your n950 when it arrives...could be the first hw mod ;) | 19:46 |
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| hiemanshu | piggz: hah, if only it was that easy :P | 19:46 |
| hiemanshu | piggz: well the X7 can house a uSD card, so makes sense to get one and load some movies/music on it | 19:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Boo #harmattan. Jaffa / DocScrutinizer. | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use #maemo and #meego | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | This place needs productive life in it anyway. | 19:51 |
| vdv | ~optification | 19:51 |
| infobot | hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I guess there will be more productive life related to M5 when there aren't 90% annoying posts about meego-harmattan specific stuff | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doubt it. | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not adding another channel to my mix. | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-12 06:25:08] <dm8tbr> MohammadAG: well the problems don't fit in the #meego* channels (unless it's CE) and at least the marketing side is probably sad about anything that associates it with maemo, even if it is maemo6 | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not the whole story which involved x-fade as well iirc | 19:56 |
| dm8tbr | If we see that things have settled we can just redirect the channel here or wherever appropriate | 19:57 |
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| Triscar0 | DocScrutinizer, still cant get it to work with a pease off paper behind the sim and battery:D | 20:00 |
| * RST38h equates Harmattan with Maemo | 20:00 | |
| RST38h | Whatever the marketing has been forced to say | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | Besides, mentioning Harmattan on #meego will cause Qt and Intel people permanent butthurt | 20:01 |
| RST38h | them hates it | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: told you it has to be lizard skin at very least. Mere cheap paper won't do | 20:04 |
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| piggz | ebay has a listing for an n950 car holder...looks very generic, wonder if its ok | 20:07 |
| RST38h | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/07/12/wp7-very-small-admits-ballmer.htm | 20:08 |
| RST38h | "You know, a year ago we didn't have a phone in the market. Now we're charging forward with Nokia." | 20:09 |
| javispedro | hey, pat the man in the back. | 20:10 |
| RST38h | s/pat/? | 20:11 |
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| javispedro | that would work too. | 20:11 |
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| piggz | does anyone know why an app using QtLocation needs to be run with ld_library_path=/opt/qtm12/lib .... should that not be a default directory to search in? | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | yeah, he more i play with harmattan, the more i feel depressed about it being abandoned | 20:12 |
| javispedro | so, will micronokia tank or will they actually succeed in increasing WP7 market share? | 20:13 |
| javispedro | currently WP7's market share is lower than that of the _old_ PalmOS devices =) | 20:13 |
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| ieatlint | but higher than meego :P | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not surprising given the lack of devices. | 20:15 |
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| ieatlint | i still feel that meego is just a victim of symbian | 20:16 |
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| hiemanshu | naaaah, android is the next symbian | 20:16 |
| ieatlint | i've heard too many rumours of symbian folks trying to delay meego/maemo because they saw it as replacing their jobs | 20:16 |
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| piggz | symbian isnt that bad...by test device, a 5800 with no sim in it, has a battery life of ~1 month when not on any network | 20:17 |
| ieatlint | or of symbian folks being transferred to meego/maemo and being completely incompetent (see symbian quality/features for details) | 20:17 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: lol | 20:17 |
| ieatlint | piggz: symbian is the windows me of the smartphone world | 20:18 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: and android is the vista? | 20:18 |
| ieatlint | win 3.11 was revolutionary in its day, and so was win95... but they just kept patching an outdated and shaky base until suddenly there was win me | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | and that today is symbian 3 | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | hiemanshu: haha, perhaps | 20:19 |
| piggz | well, i always knew winme was terrible, i havnt had the same feelings for symbian | 20:19 |
| piggz | yes it is old | 20:19 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: well it was an upgrade from XP, with more features, but slower and stupid | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | except android is far more fractured | 20:19 |
| hiemanshu | I have loved the S60v1/2/3 devices for a long long time | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | piggz, so did the 770. | 20:20 |
| ieatlint | i loved my n80 with s60v3 | 20:20 |
| ieatlint | but i have an n8, c7 and e7, all on symbian 3, and bleh | 20:20 |
| piggz | i loved my e71 | 20:20 |
| ieatlint | used the e7 as my primary phone for 3 months, it had little things that were nice | 20:21 |
| ieatlint | but overall just sucked | 20:21 |
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| * Sicelo is reading up on the Y-cable for hostmode | 20:49 | |
| shanttu | hi, i got a new device and used Backupmenu to restore. Some apps won't start: error while loading shared libraries: libQtGui.so4 | 20:51 |
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| shanttu | /var/cache/ does not contain any lists. What to do? | 20:51 |
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| hanspeter | how can i unmute my n900 using dbus? | 20:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think the unfortunate thing about these shipping delays is that Nokia's losing a lot of enthusiasm from their devs. | 20:58 |
| NIN101 | hanspeter: You may find what you need probably here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 20:58 |
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| Itschue | today i loadbattery at my n900 and it restarts then im looking vor reason in lifeguard_restarts and there are this /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 | 21:00 |
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| Itschue | and this /usr/bin/syncd: 1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 | 21:00 |
| Itschue | then i will look vor proc/bootreason and there is the same and know aprox. 45min later the files is empty | 21:01 |
| Itschue | why does it restart | 21:01 |
| Itschue | anyone know something or can help | 21:02 |
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| piggz | GeneralAntilles: i doubt it.....all the comments seem to be in jest, im sure everyon knows they will come | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | hah! | 21:06 |
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| Itschue | ? | 21:08 |
| javispedro | I bet my n950 is the first to lose the dreaded developer edition branding! >:D | 21:08 |
| * javispedro purged it | 21:09 | |
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| javispedro | for the record, you need to edit themes/blanco/meegotouch/constants.ini, remove references to dev_ | 21:10 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: maybe I'll make an app to do all this :D | 21:11 |
| javispedro | and themes/base/meegotouch/sysuid/style/statusarea.css, remove references to dadd | 21:11 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: care to upload the edited files? | 21:11 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: dunno whether nokia wants us to remove the branding ;) | 21:11 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: MEH, I am gonna remove it either ways | 21:12 |
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| javispedro | I can upload base (free) but not blanco (nonfree) | 21:12 |
| javispedro | either way the changes are trivial | 21:12 |
| javispedro | there's just like 4 lines in each | 21:13 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 21:13 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: add it to your wiki page or something? | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I want JR ACME Edition | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:14 |
| piggz | i cant decide what to code tonight.... | 21:14 |
| piggz | jacekowski: the branding makes it more desirable :) | 21:15 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: can you change the text though? | 21:15 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: it's an image. | 21:15 |
| ieatlint | for instance, can i change it to say "WINDOWS PHONE 7" and then convince a bunch of people at the pub that it's the new secret edition coming out? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | you could probably theme it to resemble wp7 | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | theme it to resemble wordperfect YEAH | 21:16 |
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| GAN900 | I really hate WP7's fonts. | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | someone go make a "February 11th, 2011: Never Forget" theme | 21:17 |
| piggz | but then they'd be like 'wp7 is so cool, i gotta get one', and then they might beat you up when they reaslise its shit | 21:17 |
| Itschue | can anyone explain me what the bootreasons are mean? | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder when WP got replaced by OOo on my machine, while I didn't notice :-/ | 21:19 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950#Remove_.22developer_edition.22_branding | 21:19 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: ty | 21:20 |
| Itschue | today i loadbattery at my n900 and it restarts then im looking vor reason in lifeguard_restarts and there are this /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 /usr/bin/syncd: 1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only wordmaster that came with wordstar on CPM was maybe more awesome than WP | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | an interview with Chris Dibona in Der Standard. Within, he declares Android as "... the dream come true. It's your Linux desktop, it's tthe ultimate success story of Linux that I've been working on personally since 1995." | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sucker | 21:23 |
| RST38h | heya vdvsx | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | VDVsx: duh, long time no see | 21:23 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h: DocScrutinizer hey, was here last weekend, IIRC :) | 21:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: no way, since 1995? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Doc:On the other hand, hard to argue with him seeing how Android has dropped the software prices to pretty much 0 | 21:24 |
| RST38h | javispedr: yeaaah | 21:24 |
| javispedro | suuuuuuuuure. | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm losing the overview | 21:24 |
| Itschue | im waiting | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Doc: The Android Market is overflowing with free or dirt cheap stuff. Not a lot of it is original or even working, but it is Free! | 21:25 |
| javispedro | no way to get all the BeOS and PalmOS influence if he started on 1995. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | You wanted free shit, you have got free shit!=) | 21:25 |
| javispedro | Unless he means he started eyeing hiring Be guys in the '95s =) | 21:25 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I think he is counting from the creating of the Linux kernel or something | 21:25 |
| RST38h | creation | 21:26 |
| javispedro | more like some epoch he just made up, like when he installed mandrake for the first time or the like | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 21:26 |
| javispedro | Android is this decade's Windows CE. | 21:27 |
| RST38h | 100% true | 21:27 |
| RST38h | And Nokia has lost the opportunity between the death of CE an the arrival of Android | 21:27 |
| javispedro | it's curious. wasn't symbian 100% free for a time? | 21:28 |
| RST38h | no do notthink so | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Also even if it were free, can you imagine the cost of hw adaptation? | 21:29 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | but Android's cost surely was similarly high in the first days | 21:29 |
| RST38h | no, way less | 21:30 |
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| RST38h | Android is Linux based after all | 21:30 |
| RST38h | CE also wasn't very costly to port | 21:30 |
| javispedro | simple reason | 21:30 |
| javispedro | back then, SOC, board, etc. manufacturers provided BSPs | 21:30 |
| RST38h | still doo | 21:30 |
| javispedro | but these days you see more providing linux stuff | 21:31 |
| piggz | there was still a cost for android, you had to pay to include the google apps | 21:31 |
| RST38h | so, chinese did not include google apps | 21:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there was a time during the CE -> Linux transition where you had to basically wait for someone with deeper pockets to do the Linux adaptation for you (see first Palm Pre) | 21:31 |
| javispedro | nowadays they just get it from SOC provider | 21:32 |
| RST38h | mmm...yes and no | 21:32 |
| RST38h | See Open Embedded | 21:32 |
| RST38h | Also see Embedded Valley company | 21:32 |
| javispedro | they _used_ Open Embedded. | 21:32 |
| javispedro | and yet the kernel work had to eventually come from nokia.. | 21:33 |
| RST38h | anyway, I think Dibona has drunk too much koolaid | 21:33 |
| javispedro | as usual | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a Qt Components for Fremantle yet? | 21:35 |
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| piggz | GeneralAntilles: yes | 21:37 |
| javispedro | yes? | 21:38 |
| javispedro | where= | 21:38 |
| javispedro | ? | 21:38 |
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| Itschue | docscrutinizer no time? | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, ping? | 21:38 |
| piggz | ah, i have it from an inside source ;) | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have an N900, be easier to test with that. | 21:39 |
| piggz | http://pastebin.com/Kj9f8RDL | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is pretty funny: http://www.youtube.com/nokia | 21:40 |
| * ruskie wonders when someone will make a nice app that will make use of the accelrometer and would get a random post from icanhascheezeburger and related pages and possibly other pages as well... | 21:40 | |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: the N950 & N9 ads have so far been all .... design student's orgasms as tvtropes put it... | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: They ARE design student orgasms, the evil Finns are keeping their design interns captive, torturing them into creation of these ads! | 21:43 |
| javispedro | well, _some_ marketing is better than nothing! | 21:43 |
| javispedro | so I say keep them captive for the time being. | 21:44 |
| javispedro | oh | 21:47 |
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| javispedro | just realized that the few seconds of the n9 commercial are the n950 bootscreen | 21:48 |
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| javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbktl-yZPQ | 21:48 |
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| Itschue | n9 is that the n900 or n8 successor | 21:49 |
| javispedro | (the sanest ad of them all, because it at least _showcases_ the phone itself..) | 21:49 |
| wmarone | Itschue: sorta both | 21:50 |
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| * RST38h wonders if anyone at Nokia marketing dpt is considering suicide nowadays, with all the contradicting messages that have to deliver... | 21:50 | |
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| derf | RST38h: I would think that would be their highest calling. | 21:51 |
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| Itschue | sorta? | 21:51 |
| RST38h | N950 is mighty cooool^H^Hwait, it is not sold to the users, only to developers, ok N9 then, really goood, oh, no, N9 will not be a success even if it a success, it will run Windows instead ehrrrm | 21:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: somehow I think the message is to ignore all of that and just tell the audience "here is a new shiny phone. it runs some OS you might not know. buy it." | 21:52 |
| RST38h | And I am not even touching on the Symbian stuff =) | 21:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yea, that is the only solution, other than calling in sick | 21:52 |
| derf | The kind of person who goes into marketing is the kind who can hold three contradictory ideas in their head simultaneously and think all of them are awesome. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: But then, even THAT message will have to change to the opposite really quick | 21:53 |
| RST38h | derf: I.e. a clinical imbecile? | 21:53 |
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| derf | RST38h: I don't think a clinical imbecile could hold three ideas in their head, simultaneously or not. | 21:53 |
| Itschue | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn7zUOKcQzk&feature=related the first featur is great | 21:55 |
| javispedro | you mean the oled screen always turned on? | 21:55 |
| javispedro | well, an oled "pixel" has around 1 year expected life. | 21:56 |
| javispedro | (when always on) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | but of course it is not always on | 21:57 |
| javispedro | the clock moves around seemingly | 21:57 |
| Itschue | no thze clock and other inormation on the screen | 21:57 |
| Itschue | but the screen can be off and double click show time calls sms | 21:58 |
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| Axesinger | *HI* | 22:21 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: the calltimer scripts returns 0 for me :(, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=501624&postcount=6 | 22:41 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: although i do see end_time being updated in the sqlite table | 22:41 |
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| vdv | is it possible to search repos with dpkg or apt-get? | 23:04 |
| vdv | *search for a given package | 23:04 |
| wmarone | apt-cache search <search words> | 23:05 |
| vdv | wmarone, thanks :) | 23:05 |
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| cehteh | any idea how to configure dbus-scripts properly to startup and listen to the users session bus too? | 23:16 |
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| cehteh | ah .. wiki to the rescue | 23:19 |
| Atarii | did you sorrt it? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, now that's one nasty red indicator light above the 950's main camera | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I wonder as well | 23:22 |
| cehteh | http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts#Running_dbus-scripts_on_the_session_bus | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | mind to share a link? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:22 |
| cehteh | but stop ... | 23:22 |
| cehteh | i just do: | 23:22 |
| cehteh | cat /etc/default/dbus-scripts | 23:23 |
| cehteh | DAEMON_OPTS="--system" | 23:23 |
| cehteh | .. | 23:23 |
| cehteh | change that to | 23:23 |
| cehteh | DAEMON_OPTS="--system --session" | 23:23 |
| cehteh | .. lemme try | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmm | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor [--system | --session] | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | though: | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# dbus-monitor --system --session | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=:1.133 serial=2 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameAcquired | 23:25 |
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| cehteh | yeah lemme try | 23:26 |
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| cehteh | well i wondering because it must listen to the users dbus session and not to root's | 23:27 |
| cehteh | ok this doesnt work | 23:27 |
| cehteh | ah it doesnt use the /etc/defaults .. upstate hardcodes --system | 23:28 |
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| cehteh | fsck | 23:29 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: Did you try that script? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=501624&postcount=6 | 23:31 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i suspect the database structure changed in PR1.2 causing the sql to fail. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: indeed, it did - iirc | 23:33 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i need a sql pro to look into it :) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hoot | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot even | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm no pro, but I used it a bit in the past | 23:34 |
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| cehteh | start dbus-scripts-session | 23:42 |
| cehteh | start: dbus-scripts-session respawning too fast, stopped | 23:42 |
| cehteh | .. i luv yo upstart | 23:42 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: there is no RTCOM_EL_EVENTTYPE_CALL_OUTBOUND, need to remove the _OUTBOUND bit from the string. then it works. | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: this will most probably count *all* calls (i.e. inbound as well as outbound) | 23:53 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yours dispatched? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 23:54 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: true, my sqlite database EventTypes table is funny | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: dump EventTypes table and see if you can spot what's the name of an outbound call event now | 23:56 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: there no 'id' 2 in the data | 23:56 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes, dont see the outbound call event in there | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: dump eventlogger table and spot an outbound call, see what EventType it got | 23:57 |
| cehteh | got it working meanwhile | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh well. DocScrutinizer's right j if you make a lot of phone calls, 1.2011.22-6 isn't a primary device OS. I've had reception/audio problems after about 90 seconds on phone calls. | 23:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, maybe 2-3 phonecalls a week. | 23:58 |
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| Jaffa | Similar here. Switching to speaker phone and back 'seems* to help | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it'd be a wise idea for them to get the latest firmware to devs ASAP | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it also seems like it'd be a wise idea for them to get DEVICES to devs ASAP. | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: seems you are using a device where "-" is symbol of "j"? ;-) | 23:59 |
| javispedro | also, browser crashes a lot | 23:59 |
| javispedro | _a lot_ | 23:59 |
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