IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-07-06

ico2right, i'm off now, cheers again all00:00
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MohammadAGtime to patch that initrd00:00
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MohammadAGseems like many users need to use it00:00
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javispedrowtf00:05
RST38h?00:05
javispedromeego netbook thinks I have an ssd for some reason.00:05
* NIN101 wonders how the initrd deals with watchdogs00:05
RST38hit is letting you know it istime for an upgrade00:06
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vdvhi all00:07
vdvis there any pdf reader for maemo which supports reflowing documents?00:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, latest initrd has keymaps working00:25
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vdvhow can i check which firmware version is currently installed on my n900?00:31
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javispedroSettings -> About my device.00:31
ShadowJKsettings - about product00:31
ShadowJKor that00:31
keesjI really want a n900-updated-hardware00:32
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: wow00:32
vdvbut there's not written whether it's PR1.3 or not00:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, options not working though for some reason00:32
vdvVersion: 10.2010.19-100:32
Noobmonk3yevening alls :) - random linux nooby question! :) - just installed linux (again) then dloaded the qt sdk.run file.... double clicking doesnt do anything - do i need to use terminal etc?00:32
DocScrutinizer51options?00:32
javispedrovdv: that's pr 1.2 iirc.00:32
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, chmod +x and ./filename here00:33
ShadowJKNoobmonk3y, terminal, "chmod +x qtsdk.run", "./qtsdk.run"00:33
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, C/H/M/N etc00:33
MohammadAGthey're all ignored00:33
DocScrutinizer51ooh00:33
Noobmonk3ybahhh now i need to find terminal, wtf is up with the seriously crappy applications menu and no easily visible task menu?00:33
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MohammadAGbut the keymap works00:33
CorsacAlt-f2?00:33
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, Ubuntu?00:34
Noobmonk3ylol all that does is display the shit menu!00:34
Noobmonk3yyeah :(00:34
Noobmonk3yi'd slike to slap it with a trout... might make it easier to use? :)00:34
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: ubi support?00:34
Corsacmaybe you're not qualified to use ubuntu00:34
Noobmonk3yCorsac, .... how does ubuntu want to get new users? :P lol00:34
Corsacmaybe you're not the kind of user they want?00:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, can't check if options are ignored00:35
MohammadAGbut the source references ubifs00:35
Noobmonk3ylol corsac00:35
DocScrutinizer51I *hope* I'm not the kind of user buntkuh wants00:35
MohammadAGterminal is gnome-terminal00:35
Noobmonk3yok, stupid, question if i minimize something in windows, i can see it on the taskbar.... it just vanishes on ubuntu00:36
NIN101http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd This here has an ubifs.ko00:36
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, don't use Unity00:36
Noobmonk3yohhhhhhhhhh00:36
Noobmonk3yfrals warned me about this crap!00:36
Noobmonk3ybut i didnt see any option to turn it off :)00:36
MohammadAGlog out00:36
MohammadAGclick your username00:36
MohammadAGlook at the bottom of the screen, session type or something00:36
MohammadAGpick ubuntu classic, log back in00:37
Noobmonk3yooo ok, yay! will go try! :) :)00:37
MohammadAGNIN101, lacks some stuff to actually work00:37
NIN101yes.00:37
MohammadAG/ban Noobmonk3y00:37
MohammadAG:P00:37
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Corsacif he didn't find that by himself, maybe he deserves unity00:37
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Noobmonk3yahhhh this is better! soooo soooo much better!00:39
Noobmonk3ythank you very very much MohammadAG  :) :)00:39
Noobmonk3yright now i can actually get on with stuff!00:39
DocScrutinizer51anyway being able to get digits and - and / and = on a cmdline is a good step forward for rescueinitrd00:40
DocScrutinizer51now make mounting ubi0 possible and the thing starts to become a useful tool00:41
Noobmonk3yany recommendations on where, where not to install the qtsdk?00:42
Noobmonk3yie not in home , or must be in home blah blah00:42
Corsactry /dev/shm/00:42
MohammadAGrun the script as user, not root00:43
DocScrutinizer51ot anywhere where you got less than 3GB free00:43
Noobmonk3yCorsac, after your last comments, do i take you seriously or not?00:43
NIN101I ask myself why nobody created a working one yet in all the years.00:43
DocScrutinizer51NIN101: initrd?00:44
NIN101yes00:44
DocScrutinizer51meego guys don't need it ;-)00:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, 3GBs00:46
MohammadAG?00:46
MySpaezheh00:46
MohammadAGyou sure about that?00:46
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MohammadAG5.3GQtSDK00:46
NIN101now the meego kernel boots microsd through a magical way, it is build with CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 bla bla bla". So, if I am understand this right, for NOLO mmcblk0* is the microsd, right?00:48
MohammadAGyes00:49
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NIN101ok, thx00:49
MohammadAGnaming is a bit stupid00:49
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MohammadAGwith an eMMC and uSD in, mmcblk0 is the uSD, 1 is the eMMC00:49
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MohammadAGwithout a uSD, mmcblk0 is the eMMC00:49
MySpaezis there a wallet style keyboard for n9?00:50
macmaNMySpaez: what dat iz?00:51
MySpaezA leather or plastic case with fold-out keyboard00:52
MySpaezThey make em for tablets00:52
cehtehbluetooth?00:52
MySpaezYa00:52
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macmaNahh okey, you meant hw device01:01
macmaNi thought it mightve been a vkb01:02
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (3GB) obviously I'm not sure - download of 1.1GB finished some minutes ago01:39
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DocScrutinizerMySpaez: the problem frequently is the BT coonection which you can'T keep esablished all the time or your battery will drain fairly fast01:41
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MySpaezim sad for the maemo01:43
MySpaezwish i could have made the 770 popular like iphone01:44
MySpaezi tried01:44
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timelessanyone here familiar w/ MGCP or H.248/Megaco ?01:53
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* alterego held an N950 today02:09
alteregowoo!02:09
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alteregoI was offered one too, but had to turn it down.02:13
* alterego is sad :)02:13
GeneralAntillesWhy?02:13
GeneralAntillesJust offer your Community device to the next person in line.02:14
javispedroabill_uk.02:17
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SpeedEvil:)02:18
DocScrutinizer*COUGH*02:19
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merlin1991alterego: me me me me wants a n950 ;)02:23
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* DocScrutinizer searches for the unicode page for musical notes02:26
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* DocScrutinizer offers chanson, hooligan style, and child song melody for merlin199102:27
cehtehDocScrutinizer: U+1D100 ff02:27
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Termanagood morning02:28
DocScrutinizer~trout Termana02:28
* infobot slaps Termana around a bit with a large trout!02:28
cehteh𝄞𝄚02:29
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT2GLdWrqLM just replace hulahoop with n950 ;)02:29
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DocScrutinizer>> Leider ist dieses Video in Deutschland nicht verfügbar, da es Musik enthalten könnte, für die die GEMA die erforderlichen Musikrechte nicht eingeräumt hat. Das tut uns leid.<<02:30
merlin1991ffs02:30
TermanaDocScrutinizer, what was that for? :p02:30
DocScrutinizerfor highlighting me about a completely nonsensical "joerg" issue some 18h ago :-)02:31
DocScrutinizeralso for CTCP-VERSIONing me02:31
nox-seems you have memory like an elephant :)02:31
TermanaDocScrutinizer, lol, I saw that hiemanshu said something to you about it. No sense of humour it seems :p02:32
DocScrutinizerelephants bow down in awe02:32
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DocScrutinizercehteh: damn, Konversation fails on that one - unusual02:34
cehteh:P02:34
DocScrutinizercehteh: probably not in my font pool02:34
DocScrutinizerTermana: my sense of humour for sure is weird, but actually the trout was a joke02:37
javispedromwahaha, success.02:37
TermanaI know :p02:37
javispedrolcuk: there?02:37
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: eh?02:37
javispedroDocScrutinizer: my multitouch stuff.02:38
DocScrutinizer\o/02:38
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DocScrutinizercongrats02:38
javispedrohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2Jeo4YUkk02:38
DocScrutinizerwith #define MAXFINGERS 10 ?02:39
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javispedrothe boobies test!02:39
javispedroyes, it's now called SDL_MAXMOUSE, and it's 10 =)02:39
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: now WTF is THIS?02:40
DocScrutinizerlcuk's optical input?02:40
javispedrono, way simpler.02:40
DocScrutinizerinvar02:40
javispedroI'm just making standard c-ts MT available to sdl apps.02:41
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7nceF0sio maybe gema isn't as evil on this one02:41
DocScrutinizerit damn looks like dunno a plain sheet of paper or .... (me is puzzled)02:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: because it's just the library. Now it's waiting for someone to put the game on it ;)02:42
MohammadAGalterego, I hate you02:42
MohammadAGyou could've sent it to me02:42
MohammadAGand I'd give my N950 to someone else02:42
merlin1991MohammadAG:  you're going to get one / got one?02:42
javispedroeither way, the video was for lcuk ;)02:42
MohammadAGmerlin1991, yes, but I'm leaving IL on Sunday02:43
DocScrutinizeraaaah spotted the "Lenovo" writing02:43
MohammadAGso I need someone to ship it to me02:43
javispedroDocScrutinizer: yes, testing on it while waiting for N950..02:43
MohammadAGluckily I found the perfect iPhone user who's guaranteed not to take a Nokia02:43
javispedrocause while not the same driver both seem to use the same reporting style.02:43
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thought almost that's a plain sheet of white paper02:44
javispedrosssht ;P02:44
javispedrook, ok, I'll fill more of the description.02:44
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MohammadAGdevel-su: su tool adapted to MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan platform security02:48
MohammadAGapparently that's the equivalent of gainroot02:48
javispedrobeen reading about it a bit, apparently it also does some tricks with aegis capabilities02:49
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DocScrutinizer~aegis02:50
infobotaegis is, like, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism02:50
* DocScrutinizer barks like one of Pavlov's dogs02:50
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DocScrutinizer~bark02:51
* infobot barks, like a rabid dog.02:51
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: yes, that one worked, alas that voice wouldn't get decoded by my audio processor even if it were plain German02:52
javispedroI have to say either that this XInput2 MT API looked good right until I realized that since it mostly just bypasses kernel data, well, coordinates are physical but normalized 0 ... 1 no matter what the resolution, your window size, or your window position is.02:52
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javispedrowhich, obviously, sucks, unless your application is a fullscreen one on a single-window window manager (like the harmattan use case)02:53
MohammadAG# dpkg -i package_name.deb02:53
MohammadAGAegis rejecting package_name.deb: package 'package_name' already installed from 'source_name' -- not replacing it from unknown origin02:53
MohammadAGooh fun02:53
SpeedEvilYou mean you have to scale for your window size?02:53
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MohammadAGmakes a CSSU harder02:53
javispedroSpeedEvil: yep.02:53
SpeedEvilEww02:53
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MUHAHAHA02:53
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: even worse: trim02:54
SpeedEviloh02:54
SpeedEvil:/02:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hail Aegis02:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, apparently you have to have an aegis file under debian/ which shows what your app needs to access02:55
MohammadAGe.g cellular modem, location etc02:55
javispedroI was thinking how Qt does the scaling when I realized that it doesn't need to. After all, meegotouch qt apps always run fullscreen...02:55
* DocScrutinizer bounces up and down the room like a rubber ball, laughing evilly and shouting "AEGIS" "AEGIS"02:56
javispedroMohammadAG: it's autogenerated from function calls if meegotouch app02:56
javispedroand I think they made something for qml02:56
MohammadAGwho uses MTF? it's deprecated in 1.302:56
javispedroobviously, the rest of us are forced to learn the abomination.02:56
MohammadAGanyway, interesting(?) read http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_6cbe.html02:57
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders how much of an effort it'd be to NUKE AEGIS for good02:58
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DocScrutinizerCSSU will flourish, we need replacements for all aegis-locked apps02:58
javispedronow, I at least think that this part of aegis is the good one02:59
javispedrothis is the one that does app isolation and no "any app can delete all your contacts"02:59
DocScrutinizerIthink aegis isn't handleable, like a can of trinitroglycerine02:59
MohammadAGThe one thing I like about Aegis is that something like theme-customizer can't replace hildon-home without asking03:00
MohammadAGwhich caused us quite a lot of duplicate bug reports03:00
DocScrutinizerhah, only until it got a signature03:01
* MohammadAG considers pranking someone and sending them a "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" email03:01
DocScrutinizeronce it has a signed manifest, it will replace *you* without any asking03:02
DocScrutinizerand Aegis makes sure you won't come back03:02
javispedroand then it will hide your socks and buy iphones to your friends.03:03
DocScrutinizerquite possible03:03
MohammadAGso no santa this year?03:03
DocScrutinizeraccess to socks is a restricted resource controlled by aegis for sure ;-P03:03
javispedroOMG03:04
javispedroanother n950 shiped..03:04
javispedrobastard.03:04
DocScrutinizerWUT03:04
DocScrutinizerTHIS TIME?03:04
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javispedro"Today, 01:50 AM"03:04
javispedrothat's post date&time03:04
javispedrothe guy clearly was not hitting F5 in timely manner...03:05
MohammadAGwow, my prank worked worse than expected then03:05
javispedro"- While applying it said expected delivery 1 week03:05
javispedro- never got any confirmation or mail from launchpad "03:05
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javispedroerr.. linkie http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25061&postcount=44003:06
DocScrutinizerhmmmmmmm :-S03:06
MohammadAG1 week expected delivery :S03:06
GeneralAntillesDHL is overnight03:06
GeneralAntillesSo, expect it quickly when it ships.03:06
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: LOL03:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, problem is, this makes me reconsider03:07
GeneralAntillesI wonder how they're processing people.03:07
GeneralAntillesThis seems ridiculously slow.03:07
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MohammadAGwhen I asked qgil about my DDP N900...03:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: send your prank to yourself!03:07
GeneralAntillesI mean, if they had gotten a few dozen out today, I could understand that.03:07
javispedroeven DHL, if it doesn't ship by thursday morning, forget about having it this week.03:07
MohammadAGHe replied on a saturday that he didn't send it03:07
MohammadAGI got it on wednesday03:07
MohammadAGPackage was sent from HEL03:08
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, do remember that some people don't post on forums03:08
MohammadAGI saw names on the wiki I never heard of03:09
GeneralAntillesTrue03:09
* merlin1991 is reading the security faq, seems like you can run shell scripts without restrictions03:09
GeneralAntillesBut if you figure a random distribution.03:09
GeneralAntillesThen the likelihood is that we'd get more than one person saying it shipped.03:09
MohammadAGmerlin1991, not the ./ way03:09
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: LOL, sure. Only the script has restrictions03:09
merlin1991"sh " vs "./"03:10
MohammadAGwell, andre_ got his03:10
MohammadAGso did X-Fade, we never heard of them anymore03:10
MohammadAGmight be aegis preventing irggi from running03:10
DocScrutinizer:-P03:10
merlin1991MohammadAG: don't open you n950 package, it's a biological weapon sent from microsoft to prevent spreading of open source !03:11
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, I GOT DIS03:11
javispedroremember how I said days ago03:12
javispedrolaunchpad applications would be processed one by one, and in reverse arrival order?03:12
DocScrutinizerI bet they are03:12
Termanajavispedro, that's how it's happening?03:12
MohammadAGdoubt it, first batch got their emails03:13
MohammadAGwell, 5 of them03:13
DocScrutinizerpile up papers on a stack, then process from top-down03:13
javispedroexcept for the big four, see this "saturn" guy.03:13
DocScrutinizerI bet he's batch 603:13
MohammadAGseriously, this can be done quicker with a script03:14
DocScrutinizerthe alphabetically last of batch 703:14
MohammadAGor with Qt03:14
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javispedroI bet that a printer, tons of paper, a wooden table, and a scanner are involved in the process.03:14
GAN900Forum Nokia is still Forum Nokia03:14
GAN900whatever the name03:14
MohammadAGexpose the process via an API03:14
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MohammadAGmake a QStringList with all IDs, HTTP POST03:14
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MohammadAGand you're done in an hour max03:15
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javispedrowatch your system die under the load of thousands of n950 owner wanna bes.03:15
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you're crazy, do you know how long it will take to get the API thru UX designer and lawyer department?03:15
MohammadAGAPI and UX designers? wtf03:16
DocScrutinizeryou don't think anything happens without OK from UX designers?03:17
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javispedrothey might want to design a Apple-like Core* logo for your 3-line Web API.03:17
DocScrutinizerprobably even Quim is considered part of the meego UX and they tell him what to eat03:17
merlin1991did anyone ever point out that 90% of the people talking in here are close to insane?03:18
GeneralAntillesmerlin1991, hush.03:18
DocScrutinizerooh only 9003:18
Termanamerlin1991, prerequisite to getting an N95003:18
merlin1991Termana: I knew I'm doing something wrong ;)03:19
DocScrutinizertell me whom to kick for not matching the channel rules03:19
javispedrohey, 90% is the average for humanity.03:19
javispedrothat must mean we're quite good.03:19
merlin1991also, do we have 10 active persons atm, or is someone only 85% insane? :D03:19
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DocScrutinizerI'm 745% insane03:20
javispedroI'm 7 times as insane as DocScrutinizer.03:20
DocScrutinizerso don't worry, I'll compensate03:20
merlin1991somehow the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan Developer Library makes me feel it's written for idiots: "All applications are automatically terminated when the device is shut down."03:21
Termanawow, this actually explains a lot.03:21
DocScrutinizerROTFL03:21
merlin1991no if you shut down the devices the magic fairy will kepp some apps alive03:21
merlin1991s/kepp/keep/03:21
infobotmerlin1991 meant: no if you shut down the devices the magic fairy will keep some apps alive03:21
javispedromerlin1991: it depends on your definition of shut down.03:21
javispedrosome devices (specially PDAs) didn't have a traditional sense shutdown mode, but rather only suspend.03:22
DocScrutinizerno, it depends of the def of "terminated"03:22
javispedrotouché.03:22
merlin1991I bet you guys laugh @ metajokes too ;)03:22
DocScrutinizerthe whole statement makes sense with a lil "gracefully"03:22
javispedroeither way, on a PalmOS book you could very well read that "app state is saved after turning off the handheld".03:22
DocScrutinizerthough I actually wonder if that's what they meant to say03:23
javispedromaybe it's a unixism and they're talking about SIGTERMs.03:23
DocScrutinizerthat's what I got first03:24
* DocScrutinizer can't hide he's thinking binary03:24
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javispedroin which case it is also entirely correct and nice to know (if your app survives the X11 server being terminated first...)03:24
MohammadAGyou got statistics to back up that 90% claim merlin1991?03:24
TermanaDocScrutinizer, put that thing away you dirty old man03:25
merlin1991MohammadAG: don't you know the #1 rule about statistics?03:25
Termanaswinging about your thinking binary03:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: he's just over-optimistic03:25
merlin1991only trust the ones you faked yourself!03:25
MohammadAGlet's review the possibilities javispedro03:25
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MohammadAGif it's Qt, it segfaults03:25
MohammadAGMTF is based on Qt, refer to 103:25
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MohammadAGQML uses Qt, in a way, refer to 103:25
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MohammadAGGtk apps segfault03:26
DocScrutinizerhah, my daemon survives03:26
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merlin1991Gtk?03:26
javispedroaegis kills DocScrutinizer's daemon.03:26
merlin1991I thought there is no such thing in a Qt Ecosystem03:26
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, invoker probably calls the daemon, invoker segfaults03:26
Termanaheh03:26
MohammadAGmerlin1991, they need gconf03:27
DocScrutinizerbut then a daemon clearly isn't an app03:27
MohammadAGgconf needs glib03:27
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MohammadAGgtk can run on a glib-enabled system03:27
merlin1991so platform api -> gtk -> profit?03:27
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, only when applying for an N95003:27
DocScrutinizertouche03:27
DocScrutinizerDDP created a whole new meaning of "app"03:28
javispedroman, if this is the crew that is supposed to get apps.meego.com "filled" by the end of the year, we are sooooo doomed.03:28
merlin1991stop using tlas, ddp as in what?03:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, muhahahaha03:29
DocScrutinizerdevice distribution program?03:29
javispedrodeveloper device program iirc03:29
javispedroat least in n900 times..03:29
merlin1991how good is the remote device access thingy for developing?03:29
* merlin1991 thinks about starting todo something despite no n95003:30
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks, obviously time for some relax03:31
DocScrutinizering03:31
javispedroindeed.03:31
DocScrutinizermeh03:31
DocScrutinizer>>Device Distribution program<<03:32
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javispedroI hate mutter.03:32
DocScrutinizerhttps://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP03:32
DocScrutinizer~lart javispedro03:32
* infobot burns javispedro to a crisp with a laser03:32
javispedroso, do I lose my DDP for failing to resolve a TLA?03:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you really made me doubt my own selfcheck functions03:32
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: last time I checked all 5 N950 were offline03:34
* DocScrutinizer blames MohammadAG03:35
merlin1991so much for that idea :/03:35
DocScrutinizerhe probably erased CAL03:35
DocScrutinizer;-P03:35
DocScrutinizer>>There are some N950s available in RDA now. It's good to keep in mind that N950, including its device software, is not a commercial device and the quality/feature set of N950 is of beta quality. There are also some technical limitations/issues with the RDA implementation for this device, such as that screen orientation change doesn't currently work (so display appears sideways the menu view), application installer uses currently pkgmgr03:36
DocScrutinizerinstead of dpkg etc. We are currently looking into these. Eventually our intention is to replace this device with N9s.<<03:36
merlin1991I guess I'll just have to rob someones n950 then03:37
* merlin1991 wonders if thp go / applied for one, that would be a close and possible target *insane laugh*03:38
DocScrutinizerhmm, right now in "reservations" all 5 are available03:38
MohammadAGmerlin1991, he already has it03:38
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merlin1991I'm the outsider here, no n950 and no chance of one :D03:40
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I got one of the 5 reserved for next 15min03:41
DocScrutinizerthere are 4 free to grab right now03:41
DocScrutinizerI'll cancel my reservation03:41
DocScrutinizerso you got 5 to choose from03:41
merlin1991:D03:42
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merlin1991I'm a lil confused right now, apps.meego.com would be the community obs / community packages and the nokia way would be ovi store?03:42
merlin1991or is the community repo yet another source?03:43
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DocScrutinizernfc03:44
DocScrutinizersorry03:44
DocScrutinizergrab your N950!03:44
DocScrutinizerhttp://apu.ndhub.net/devices03:44
TermanaDocScrutinizer, wtf is this?03:46
Termananevermind03:47
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cehtehNokia N950 Developer Kit programme is closed at this time03:50
cehtehThank you for your interest in publishing apps for the Nokia N9 smartphone. We have received a tremendous response to our offer for the Nokia N950 developer kit, and can no longer accept any new requests.03:50
cehteh.. muahaha03:51
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SpeedEvilcehteh: meh03:51
javispedrothey are serious03:51
cehteh"You want it, We kill it!"03:51
javispedroby now they are probably still handling applications that want the free n8.03:52
cehtehwhen will the wp7 phone be released?03:52
cehtehi dont want to miss to see it fail :P03:52
cehtehand i hope that will be the last nail at the coffin for elop03:53
javispedrothe day before the n9 is.03:53
cehtehgood :)03:53
cehtehthe sooner the better03:53
javispedroit will  also be half the price of the n9.03:53
cehtehyes03:53
javispedroand double the core frequency.03:53
cehtehand double as much ram :)03:53
cehtehand you get 500 free SMS with it03:54
javispedrothat I would never believe :)03:54
javispedro(ram)03:54
cehtehhaha03:54
cehtehand it will *still* fail03:54
cehtehis there any active community around it? or users worshipping wp7? ... or anyone educated interested in it?03:55
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DocScrutinizerOMG feelings like with first M$windows on a box without GFX accel03:55
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cehtehthere may be some fools who think "Windows .. hey thats on my computer i want that" .. but that all03:55
DocScrutinizerthis RDA N950 might be fast as hell, my desktop, on showing the screen, definitely isn't03:56
TermanaDocScrutinizer, bunch of junk03:56
DocScrutinizerreaction to a swipe takes like 60s03:56
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TermanaI couldn't get into anything, it just kept going to the close or rearrange icons03:56
SpeedEvilclicking on a reserved device just gives me a downloadable jnlp file03:57
DocScrutinizerhaha03:57
SpeedEvilIn firefox03:57
SpeedEvilanyone had it working?03:57
DocScrutinizeryeah, you need to start that03:57
SpeedEvilhow?03:57
TermanaSpeedEvil, java webstart03:57
DocScrutinizerexecute, in FF03:57
SpeedEvilexecute in ff?03:57
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DocScrutinizerFF asked me "download" or "open (with)"03:57
DocScrutinizerI clicked "open"03:58
* javispedro calls it a day -- gnite!03:58
SpeedEvilopen with what though?03:58
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: gnite03:58
DocScrutinizerwhatever that's been that FF suggested03:58
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Are you on windows?03:58
DocScrutinizernope03:58
SpeedEvilhmm03:59
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SpeedEvilah - javaws04:00
DocScrutinizeralarm (clock) timepicker is actually the way it should be, no slotmachine \o/04:02
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: yea, responsetime to swipes is extreme04:04
merlin1991also for some reason swipes desided to stop working for me oO04:04
DocScrutinizerunbearable, basically04:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: was it same lame crook for you?04:05
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SpeedEvilOn the dev thingy - how do you rotate it to landscape?04:08
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SpeedEvilAnd how do I get to a shell?04:09
DocScrutinizerrotate? not at all? see initial notice04:09
DocScrutinizerdunno04:10
SpeedEvilah - I misread that04:10
DocScrutinizerI didn't read it at all04:10
DocScrutinizerjust grasped something about orientation04:10
DocScrutinizer"not yet working" blabla04:10
DocScrutinizer"Camera not responding! Close application?"04:11
DocScrutinizerMEH04:11
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DocScrutinizera nifty idea, this RDA. But either my equipment isn't appropriate, or there's something so lame with the device and RDA rack that you can't use it04:13
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* DocScrutinizer idly wonders how to reboot the remote N95004:15
SpeedEvilnever got slide to work at all04:15
SpeedEvilswipe04:15
DocScrutinizerthere's been some app running from the guy before me04:15
SpeedEvilclick the 'hide app' button04:15
SpeedEvilon the lkeyboard04:15
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you need to click close to the border, but inside where cursor still is a hand04:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what crook?04:16
DocScrutinizerRDA04:16
DocScrutinizerfeels like molasses04:16
DocScrutinizerstarting up camera took like 60s04:17
DocScrutinizermaybe more04:17
DocScrutinizera swipe the same04:17
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DocScrutinizerselecting another alarm sound in clock takes 10s to switch the blue highlicght form clock1 to clock304:19
DocScrutinizerit feels like "yeah, this *could* actually work"04:20
DocScrutinizermaybe 1.8GHz are too slow for java04:21
DocScrutinizer(no idea about CPU load as I had to run it fullscreen to show the whole thing)04:22
DocScrutinizerbut then to make it useable I'd need a 20GHz CPU ;-P04:23
SpeedEvilInteresting - everything on /home is mounted on 'aegisfs'04:25
SpeedEvilGot shell - some of the devices have 'terminal' on04:25
SpeedEvilbut I can't ping or ssh out04:25
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DocScrutinizerhey you got ...9016236?04:26
SpeedEvilHow do I tell the number?04:27
DocScrutinizerno idea how to tell from inside04:27
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DocScrutinizerosso-systeminfo?04:27
SpeedEvilyes04:27
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SpeedEvilto that number04:27
DocScrutinizerI get the ser# from "reservations"04:27
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DocScrutinizernot exactly crowded04:28
SpeedEvilI cheated, and rotated my physical screen.04:28
DocScrutinizerI think I'll like the real hw better04:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: there's a rotate menu item in the window's menues04:29
DocScrutinizerI gather it's dead04:29
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: are the characters in shell aslo at a rate of 1 per 10s?04:30
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: and where you found the xterm? an icon on applauncher screen?04:31
SpeedEvil'terminal' right at the top04:31
DocScrutinizermhm04:31
DocScrutinizerI'm not eager to start another session right now04:32
DocScrutinizerwas way too tiring04:32
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SpeedEvilTrying to work out if I can punch a ssh out to my net with socks proxying, then ssh back in04:33
SpeedEvilso I have sane terminal and stuff04:33
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DocScrutinizerbasically I spent 12 of my 15min with finding out how long to wait for mouse actions to take effect04:33
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DocScrutinizerand I tried all "quality" settings for display, from 6 down to 1, no difference04:36
DocScrutinizerexcept it gets B&W for <=304:36
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SpeedEvilOh - it has tv out04:48
DocScrutinizer\o/04:48
SpeedEvilsettings -> accessories04:49
* DocScrutinizer muses about serial numbers, which best are read RTL, and just one is completely another batch04:49
SpeedEvilI don't understand how browsing works.04:49
SpeedEvilwget can't get dns resolution, and no proxy is configured04:49
DocScrutinizer4 of the 5 are like 510, 220, 610, 41004:51
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: probably you're not "online"04:52
SpeedEvilI know - browser can get to the web though04:53
DocScrutinizero.O04:53
SpeedEvilAnd no proxy set04:53
DocScrutinizerifconfig?04:54
DocScrutinizerroute?04:54
SpeedEvilOops - I may have broken it.04:54
DocScrutinizerLOL04:55
SpeedEvilIt's not resolving anymore04:55
DocScrutinizer~xyawn04:55
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is big coffee04:55
DocScrutinizer~cheers04:55
infobothappy christmahanakwanzakuh!04:55
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GAN900graaarrrrr05:00
SpeedEvilOk.05:00
GAN900I want my N95005:00
SpeedEvilWhen you haven't turned the internet off, you can ssh out.05:01
SpeedEvilDoh.05:01
SpeedEvilAnd good luck to the person that gets that net tunneling into my system as I've removed the port forward. ;)05:02
SpeedEvilneNeed to setup a user I truly don't care about, for obvious treaons05:02
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SpeedEvilThen it should be easy to get back in over the ssh connection, and deal with it with a sane terminal.05:04
DocScrutinizerI think MohammadAG did that05:05
SpeedEvilyeah - I got to the point where it showed me my ssh fingerprint - and at that point - it's just tediosity to get it working05:05
DocScrutinizerI gather you're not considering this browser&java based remote thing a sane shell access05:06
SpeedEvilNo.05:06
SpeedEvilNo scrollback, can't copy+paste, ...05:06
MohammadAGdid what?05:07
DocScrutinizerI regularly get headache with ssh portforwards05:07
MohammadAGreverse ssh?05:07
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: ssh'd into a rdp device05:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: log in to N950 via ssh05:07
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MohammadAGyou need a server05:07
SpeedEvilI was just going to setup a socks proxy locally and go through that05:07
holmesIIhi everyone, i am trying to gain battery information.05:08
holmesIIis there anyone can help me?05:08
MohammadAGeither one on your PC, or a remote server05:08
SpeedEvil?05:08
holmesIIi don't know how to write a C code to get battery information.05:08
SpeedEvilwhat do you mean by 'a server' ?05:08
holmesIIneed some simple example for help05:08
DocScrutinizerholmesII: which battery information?05:08
MohammadAGopenssh-server05:08
MohammadAGwhich can be accessed from an external device05:08
holmesIIlike charge level05:08
MohammadAGso basically05:08
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you just mean a box into which you can ssh?05:09
MohammadAGssh -R2222:localhost:22 user@server05:09
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, yes05:09
SpeedEvilyeah - that05:09
SpeedEvilthen ssh localhost -p222205:09
holmesIIlike Current battery capacity (mAh)05:09
SpeedEviland to the dev device05:09
SpeedEvilOh.05:09
MohammadAGthen on your PC, ssh -p 2222 root@localhost05:09
MohammadAGyes05:09
SpeedEvilWhat's the password?05:09
MohammadAGrootme05:09
SpeedEvilah05:09
holmesIImany thanks to who can help me!!05:09
DocScrutinizerholmesII: there's such info in HAL05:10
DocScrutinizerlshal|grep battery05:10
SpeedEvilholmesII: hal gives you an indication.05:10
holmesIIyes. but how can i get it with my C code?05:10
SpeedEvilWork out how to call hal05:10
DocScrutinizercheck what lshal does05:10
MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c like this05:10
holmesIIi am not familiar with HAL05:10
SpeedEvilor that05:10
MohammadAGFYI, that's missing a libhal_ctx_init call, which I have locally but haven't committed it yet05:11
MohammadAGbetween lines 199 and 20005:11
MohammadAGbut it works05:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: isn't that direct access to bq27200?05:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no05:11
DocScrutinizerooh, ok05:11
MohammadAGI don't know bq270005:12
MohammadAG27200 even05:12
DocScrutinizergood05:12
MohammadAGbut it'll never make it into the CSSU till I add sounds05:12
SpeedEvilHal is basically a lie.05:12
MohammadAGlibcanberra isn't that friendly05:12
SpeedEvilBut it's the same lie that the device knows - so ...05:12
* DocScrutinizer burrps in libcanberra's general direction05:13
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MohammadAGoh and it doesn't detect battery low/empty yet, I know how, just haven't implemented it05:15
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: holmesII just wants charge, nothing more sophisticated :-)05:15
holmesIIi just want to get the  battery.reporting.current = 956  (0x3bc)  (int)05:16
holmesIIthat's it.05:16
DocScrutinizersee the link MohammadAG posted05:17
jonwilhmmm, interesting comment from that ex-Nokia guy. He basically said "Opening MCE was hard because there was concern from management about possible valuable IP in there"05:18
GAN900l o l05:18
GAN900Nokia management needs to be downsized05:18
GAN900That's the only thing that'll save the company.05:18
* DocScrutinizer wonders about the amount of valuable IP in Nokia management05:19
DocScrutinizerholmesII:05:20
DocScrutinizer[2011-07-06 04:10:47] <MohammadAG> https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c like this05:20
DocScrutinizer[2011-07-06 04:10:48] <holmesII> i am not familiar with HAL05:20
DocScrutinizerand please post your questions in channel, not in private query05:20
DocScrutinizerholmesII: if you lost your IRC client's backscroll, there's also a chanlog:  http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog05:21
holmesIIMANY THANKS TO YOU GUYS!!!! I just downloaded it. I will read it. If I can't understand, I will back to you. Again, Thank you you two!05:22
TermanaOMG!!!1111!!!05:23
Termana:p05:23
MohammadAGTermana, you really deserve a troll of the day award05:23
SpeedEviljonwil: I suppose the 'right' way to determine that is to pass it through a lawyer to check for patentable stuff first. :/05:23
TermanaMohammadAG, TROLOLOLOLO05:24
Termana:p05:24
DocScrutinizerhe got the star in hall of fame for that05:24
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, trolls are usually stupid, this one is the complete opposite05:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you bet it's exactly that05:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: makes things worse ;-P05:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I mean, taking my idea of pranking someone with an N950 email and using it against me05:26
MohammadAGdamn, that's just, gold05:26
trxlol05:28
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TermanaThere is one downside - it's a situation of the boy who cried wolf, if I say anything serious about the N950 DDP no one will believe a word I say :p05:28
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MohammadAGwell, the only thing that gave it away was that Nokia doesn't use tinyurls pointing to youtube05:29
MohammadAGTermana, what was the vid btw?05:29
holmesIIwhen i make it, i got "Package hildon-1 was not found in the pkg-config search path" error05:29
internetishardhey, my n900 just staying making a faint high pitched hissing sound instead of vibrating... any ideas?05:29
holmesIIand other packages .05:29
MohammadAGholmesII, you need some -dev packages05:29
TermanaMohammadAG, you didn't watch it? :p It was Rick Astley of course.05:29
MohammadAGlibhildon-dev I think05:29
MohammadAGTermana, no, I didn't :P05:30
MohammadAGBut rick rolling has improved, there's Nyan Cat now05:30
TermanaMohammadAG, next time I should a) use an actual publicised email (which I didn't see on the forum) b) use a shorting service that doesn't allow previews and c) use that Dimitri guy instead05:31
MohammadAGTermana, the email is correct05:31
holmesIIi tried, i can't find it in my repository.05:31
holmesIIcound't find package libhildon-dev05:32
MohammadAGyou're building in scratchbox right?05:32
holmesIIi don't know where i build it. i am running by SSH connection.05:32
holmesIInow i am trying to install it in x terminal05:33
MohammadAGerr05:33
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holmesIIthe same result.05:33
MohammadAGyou can't build it on the N90005:33
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MohammadAG~maemosdk05:34
infobotwell, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation05:34
holmesIIhmmmm. but i am using N900 with meamo05:34
MohammadAGsee that05:34
MohammadAGanyway, gotta sleep05:34
MohammadAGif you run into anything with sdk installation I'm sure someone can help05:34
MohammadAGnight05:35
holmesIIok. good night. see you tomorrow~~05:35
DocScrutinizerfor building native on target, there are few users that actually do that05:35
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DocScrutinizeryou for sure must have done quite some installing effort to get gcc to run on N900 at all05:36
holmesIIi can run gcc now.05:37
DocScrutinizerit's however not the "usual" way to build binaries for maemo, nor is it well documented or supported05:37
holmesIIand make05:37
holmesIIhowever, i have a lot of stuffs that i don't understand.05:38
holmesIIjust got a N900 phone today.05:38
DocScrutinizersure, but with gcc pkg alone your rootfs will probably fill up to the limit05:38
holmesIIi installed it by build-essential05:38
DocScrutinizergcc isn't really meant or made to get installed on maemo N900 directly05:39
internetisharddbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request  com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_deactivate string:'PatternIncomingCall'  <---this is in a thread that helped some people fix their vibration, why does it say the cmd isn't correct?05:39
DocScrutinizerall the 3 users that did that installed all the needed stuff to a chroot iirc05:39
internetishardincorrect dbus-send usage?05:39
internetishardhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51280&page=205:40
DocScrutinizer~ask05:41
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.05:41
internetishardwhy does it say the cmd isn't correct? what is wrong with this question?05:41
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating05:42
internetishardI'm thinking it isn't software though, since it doesn't do that short vibrate right when I turn it on anymore05:43
DocScrutinizeryour command is req_vibrator_pattern_*de*activate05:43
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh05:45
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internetishardyeah, it just makes a high pitched sound05:46
internetishardsame as when I turn it on05:46
internetishardfucking omg05:46
internetishardI've no money for a phone right now05:46
* DocScrutinizer should finally fix this, --print-reply is nonsense as is calling play-sound first05:46
SpeedEvilinternetishard: replacing the vibrator isn't that hard05:47
internetishardI need a phone that is more fixable, if I'm going to spend this much, then the hardware should be open enough to order parts for05:47
internetishardcan I do it myself?05:47
internetishardI mean, where can such parts be bought05:47
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: either your vibrator collected debris and got stuck (*very* likely), or the motor or driver chip are defect05:47
internetishardGot a schematic so I can find the vibrator?05:48
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: vibrator in N900 is soldered and really hard to replace. Also there's no easily available spare part05:48
SpeedEviloh05:48
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: it's right under the cam-key05:49
DocScrutinizeryou can't miss it05:49
MySpaezuse eyes to find05:49
SpeedEvilalso - try banging the n900 while vibrator active05:50
SpeedEvilgently05:50
DocScrutinizeractually rotating suddenly along the long axis05:50
DocScrutinizerwell, the vibrator more located *between* power and cam button05:52
DocScrutinizerwith the excenter mass close to cam button05:52
internetishardDocScrutinizer, so I should be able to see it without unscrewing anything?05:52
internetishardmaybe I can get it going from here05:53
DocScrutinizerno, alas not05:53
internetishardlol, bang gently?05:53
DocScrutinizeryes05:53
internetishardhow hard... tap? hit on table?05:53
DocScrutinizerrotate05:53
DocScrutinizerknock firmly with your fingertips05:55
SpeedEvilNot on the screen05:55
DocScrutinizerindeed05:55
internetishardnot sure what I did05:55
internetishardgot it going again05:56
internetishardI'm curious about the point of failure05:56
DocScrutinizersee :-D05:56
internetishardYou guys are great05:56
DocScrutinizerdebris05:56
internetishardhmm05:56
internetishardI can't see it though05:56
internetishardon the back under the camera button is covered with plastic05:56
internetishardbut maybe it can be taken off05:56
DocScrutinizerno05:56
SpeedEvilyou can't05:56
DocScrutinizerlook there: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/05:57
internetishardcool, thanks05:57
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_11.jpeg shows vibrator upper middle, the huge silver thing05:58
DocScrutinizerthe excenter mass is on the left05:59
DocScrutinizeryou actually need to disassemble the device to reach there05:59
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DocScrutinizeras you can see it's underneath the PCB, you need to take out the board from the case06:00
DocScrutinizerto reach it06:01
DocScrutinizerI'd not recommend you do that, esp if it's working again06:01
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GeneralAntillesOK, kids.06:04
GeneralAntillesWe're all going to get processed tomorrow06:04
GeneralAntillesGet our N950s Thursday.06:04
GeneralAntillesDeal?06:04
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DocScrutinizermeh06:05
DocScrutinizerare you the friggin santa, or what?06:05
DocScrutinizerbtw here it's already "tomorrow" ;-)06:06
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DocScrutinizerso ETA for next \o/ event: ~3h06:07
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: I hope you are prepared for your disco firing in the mid of your night ;-)06:08
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GeneralAntillesIt doesn't fire when the house is in sleep mode.06:09
DocScrutinizer:-D06:09
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holmesIIroot is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.06:10
holmesIIsometimes i got        user is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.06:10
DocScrutinizeryou ARE root06:10
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holmesIIok. i see.06:10
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: did you build on target?06:11
holmesIIi still have problem on mahammad's code. i don't know how to install the hildon package06:11
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, build what?06:11
DocScrutinizeranything06:11
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: see holmesII ^^^06:11
GeneralAntillesOh, Qt SDK here.06:12
GeneralAntillesSo, I'm all bullshit.06:12
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holmesIIsee me for what? :)06:12
DocScrutinizerhmm, *somebody* did it06:12
holmesII.................any help?06:12
holmesIIi'm really newbi06:12
holmesIIhaha06:13
DocScrutinizerholmesII: yeah, learn to read IRC backscroll06:13
DocScrutinizerholmesII: I seriously suggest you try to build on PC in SDK06:14
DocScrutinizer[2011-07-06 04:34:09] <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk06:14
DocScrutinizer[2011-07-06 04:34:10] <infobot> well, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation06:14
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DocScrutinizerholmesII: it's absolutely nontrivial to set up a complete build environment on N90006:15
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DocScrutinizeryour root filesystem isn't large enough for that06:16
DocScrutinizerdf -h /06:16
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holmesIIi got aroud 35G space in tatol06:17
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG's battery-applet needs quite a few libraries, that won't fit on your root06:17
DocScrutinizeryes, then you need to either06:18
DocScrutinizeruse a chroot, like easydebian or sth06:18
DocScrutinizeror06:18
DocScrutinizer~optify06:18
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DocScrutinizererr06:18
DocScrutinizer~optification06:18
infobotoptification is, like, a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot306:18
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holmesIIi just wonder if i can install those libriaries, then i don't have to build a PC environment. I just need to do a small program and may not need to do deep development.06:20
DocScrutinizerholmesII: told you this is NOT the recommended way to build binaries for maemo, and that there's really no support for that anywhere, and you need to do a lot of work and know your way around to get it working. Only very few users have done that before06:20
DocScrutinizerholmesII: I seriously suggest you try to build on PC in SDK06:21
DocScrutinizerholmesII: it's absolutely nontrivial to set up a complete build environment on N90006:21
holmesIIo. i see. thank you! i have one other question. if I build it on PC. the PC environment should have the libriaries, right? and how do i make a program and run in N900?06:22
holmesIIyou mean on N900 or on PC?06:22
DocScrutinizeryou build on PC in a chroot called scratchbox, for ARMEL target06:22
DocScrutinizeryou simply copy the resulting binary to N900 and run it there06:23
holmesIIi see. thank you!!06:23
holmesIIi will try06:23
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DocScrutinizerthe maemo SDK comes with virtually all the libraries you'll probably need06:24
DocScrutinizer(that's why it's ~5GB)06:24
holmesIIhehe, all right. thank you!!! but BTW, is there any good website to let me know how to build the environment for scratchbox?06:25
holmesIIi am afraid found some one wrong.06:25
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation06:25
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holmesIIthanks!!06:26
DocScrutinizerholmesII: please pay attention, we pointed you at this website 3 times now06:26
holmesIIyes. i did. i just want to confirm it.06:27
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holmesIIi saw it few times. thank you very much!06:27
paulyhi anyone want to trade their n8 for n900?06:27
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paulyi want something different06:28
DocScrutinizeryou'll probably have questions when you got SB (scratchbox) installed and running. Come here and ask, every devel did06:28
DocScrutinizer:-)06:28
holmesIIi am just thinking install it in my ubuntu system or in my windows system.06:28
DocScrutinizerubuntu06:28
holmesIIwhich one do you recommend?06:28
DocScrutinizerdefinitely06:28
holmesIIi have ubuntu 10.0406:28
holmesIIis that all right?06:28
DocScrutinizershould work06:28
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DocScrutinizerpauly: I bet you won't have to wait for more than 24h to complete that deal06:29
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paulywhat u mean?06:30
holmesIIall right. thank you! i have four systems. i think i got to reboot my pc and going to ubuntu. but i think i have go to bed now. I will talk to you tomorrow. Anyway, you are a very very nice person i meet in freenode.06:30
holmesIIthank you so much!06:30
DocScrutinizerI mean there are a few users with a N8 they hate, who want a N900 urgently06:30
holmesIIyou have a good night.06:30
paulyu know them lol i dont have an TMO account06:31
DocScrutinizerthey are all here during the next 24h06:31
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DocScrutinizerthat'S why I say won't take long06:31
DocScrutinizerjust repost your offer every 60 min06:32
antman8969anyone here got a few spare minutes and not in the US?06:37
antman8969need a quick app tester...06:37
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antman8969with a linkedin account06:37
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DocScrutinizerholmesII: ooh, don't use the graphic installer there, it usually gives you trouble. It seems the script based installation is easier06:39
holmesIIok. got it.:) im leaving now.06:39
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holmesIIsee you tommorrow06:40
paulyDocScrutinizer: have u used n806:41
pauly?06:41
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so one of them is getting their N950 shipped06:42
paulyDocScrutinizer: i just want something different, i dont have time to customize maemo like everyone else mine is stock lol06:43
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DocScrutinizerpauly: sorry, no06:44
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25061&postcount=44006:44
hiemanshudid you see trhat?06:44
DocScrutinizeryes06:45
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so the people from the first batch should have it for them in a day or two06:46
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DocScrutinizero.O06:46
antman8969looking at the accepted page, only a few have received that email06:47
antman8969http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community%20device%20program/Nokia06:48
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: that guy was from batch four 0_006:48
DocScrutinizerexactly06:48
DocScrutinizerlast in first out06:48
hiemanshuso hmm, well the ones with the launchpad activated should have it soon06:49
DocScrutinizerthe way a stack of paper works06:49
hiemanshuyup06:49
DocScrutinizerwell, I'm in batch 3 ;-P06:50
hiemanshu:(06:50
DocScrutinizerbut I'm still sure the dude processing the requests dropped the pile of sheets and collected them in random order06:51
hiemanshubut why the fuck are they using sheets, haven't they heard of google docs or email or evernote or etherpad06:52
DocScrutinizeranyway I'm expecting quite a number of processed devices for today06:52
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: given the likelihood of M$ products being used there, I'd rather *hope* for sheets06:53
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hah true :P06:53
DocScrutinizerQuim thinks even end of *next* week not all requests are processed06:56
hiemanshuhe does06:56
hiemanshu?06:56
DocScrutinizerwhich would make an average per day of <2506:56
paulyanyone want to trade me their n8 for my n900?06:57
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: who were the guys who got a N8 for their warranty N900?06:58
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: Jaffa was one06:58
DocScrutinizeryep, thought so06:58
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: but he traded his for a E7 or something06:58
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DocScrutinizerhmm, dunno if he did, or just planned to do06:59
DocScrutinizerpauly: E7?06:59
paulyDocScrutinizer: i like 12mp on n8 but keyboard on e7 ughhh idk07:00
DocScrutinizerwhatever, you'll find somebody interested in your swap deal, easily07:00
paulyi take pics so i still want n807:00
* DocScrutinizer afk07:01
paulyDocScrutinizer: you ever use symbian 3?07:01
DocScrutinizero/07:01
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jonwilanyone know anything about product IDs? I know the N900 is RX-5107:12
jonwilbut I got a bunch of others I cant ID07:12
paulyanyone want to trade me their n8 for my n900?07:13
jonwilanyone know what a SU-18, RX-44, RX-48, RM-680, RM-690, RM-696 or RM-716 is?07:13
GAN900SU-18 is 77p07:13
GAN900RX-44 is N81007:13
GAN900RM-680 is N95007:14
jonwilRX-34 is probably N80007:14
jonwilaha, RX-48 is N810 wimax07:14
GAN900690 or 696 is N907:14
GAN900RX-71 was an unreleased devboard07:15
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames07:21
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DocScrutinizercould use some update, I guess07:22
paulytwitter sucks on maemo tweedsuit is decent though07:22
paulyi hate using the twitter.com site07:23
DocScrutinizerjonwil: google is your friend as well, quite interesting what you get on a search for all those codenames07:23
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: pauly wants a N8 raher than his N90007:50
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antman8969anyone know if the maemo builder is down?07:58
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user__has anyone found a way to use google+ mobile version on the n900. m.google.com/plus defaults to the full site with all the cpu clogger javascript.08:11
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RST38hno, nobody knows the iPhone-specific URL so far08:14
user__bummer08:14
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Maceranybody know of any arm based full fledged pc diy type kit?08:26
Macermaybe a beagleboard based kit?08:26
Macersomething that can run kubuntu? :-)08:27
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dm8tbryou answered your own question08:27
Macerhttp://trimslice.com/web/models08:28
Macerwas thinking of something like  that08:28
Macerthat tegra looks like quite a beast but  i am  curious as  to how well the video works08:29
dm8tbrtegra is reported to suck ballz08:29
Macerreally?? that sucks08:30
dm8tbrif you want something open with an interested community http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/08:30
dm8tbrlast time I looked at tegra2 I heard it has e.g. problems with decoding media08:30
RST38hhehehe08:30
RST38hMacer and SmartBook...08:31
ruskieyeah the only prob with always innovating... still no actual product for the touchbook v2 and I would guess smartbook as well08:33
Macerdm8tbr: omg! dont ever mention alwaysinnovating again08:33
* dm8tbr shrugs08:33
ruskiehehe08:33
Maceri preordered their touchbook a while back08:33
ruskieand?08:33
Macerwhat a total piece of s*it08:33
ruskiev1 I take it?08:33
ruskiewhat was wrong with it?08:33
Macerit tipped  over.. the screen was non responsive08:34
Macerthe video was slow.. the keyboard connectivity would mess up08:34
Maceretc etc08:34
Macerit was garbage.. and i was  so excited about it08:34
ruskieI'm gonna get touchbook v2 if it ever materializes08:34
Macerdont preorder!08:35
ruskieelse one of the other tablet/netbook type devices08:35
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ruskieMacer, I haven't and won't08:35
ruskieuntil they have a physical product08:35
Macerwait til everybody tells you it sucks as bad as v108:35
Maceri do want to try out a tegra based system tho just to see08:35
ruskiewess v2 supposedly has capacitive... so touchscreen shouldn't be non-responsive... just crappy08:35
Maceri am sure it is the lowest bidded broken capacitive they could get a hold of08:36
Macerwith dead pixels all over it from chinese slave laborers blood seeping into it suring production08:36
ruskiewell just the fact that it is capacitive means it's crappy08:36
ruskieno matter what value08:36
Macerduring08:36
ruskieI did hear about the tipping08:36
Macerthe tipping was the worst part08:37
Macer:-)08:37
RST38hruskie: Avoid these guys like if you were avoiding the Pandora guys08:37
ruskiethe stuff I like about it is... plugin in usb sticks to expand it08:37
Macerif it went anywhere past 90 degrees it would tip08:37
Macerit was just a let down. a total pos08:37
ruskieand ability to run multiple OSes easily08:38
Macera great idea poorly made08:38
Macerpfft08:38
Macerheh08:38
Macerand the non responsive screen was the icing  on the cake08:39
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Maceryou had to dig  your finger half way into it in order for it to do anything08:40
ruskieI want to get a tablet/netbook combo system... but I also don't want to be stuck with only the one system that is on it08:41
Macerruskie: fair enough08:42
paulyanyone want to trade me their n8 for my n900?08:42
Macerruskie: i am sure most  are  locked08:43
ruskieyeah08:43
Macerwish there was an n900 dock08:43
Macer:-)08:43
Macermaybe n9 dock??08:43
Macerheh (yeah right.. nokia? something good?)08:44
paulynoone has n8 :(08:44
ruskieMacer, well always innovating has a bluetooth dock thingy... https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/keyboard.htm08:46
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hiemanshupauly: wait for Jaffa, he'll be around in a couple of hours or so08:49
Macerlol!08:49
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Maceri am sure  it is  fail ruskie08:49
Maceri  am telling you what i know. you go ahead and get one and  tell me i was wrong later08:50
paulyhiemanshu:i thought he has e7?08:50
Macer;-) to each their own. maybe you will like it08:50
hiemanshupauly: he was hoping to get it changed or something, so well you are besst off asking him08:50
paulylol okay im just too excited for symbian anna lol i just want something easier everyday use, and n8 seems like it08:52
Macersymbian anna?08:58
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Maceri wonder what the trimslice runs for an os08:59
Macerchrome os?09:00
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paulymacer: new symbian 3 version is anna09:00
Maceroh09:01
Macerhttp://trimslice.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/with-pen.png09:01
Macerwp-cotent?  fail09:01
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Siceloyour usb fixed pauly?09:13
paulybought a different n90009:13
paulylol09:14
paulysicelo: u got an n809:14
flailingmonkeyhow much did you spend for a new n90009:14
flailingmonkeyor different n90009:14
pauly180 used09:14
flailingmonkeyUSD?09:14
flailingmonkeyor eur09:14
paulyi wanna trade it for n809:14
paulyusd09:14
flailingmonkeynot bad at all09:15
paulydo yous have an n8 that u wanna trade?09:15
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Sicelono pauly. my n900 is 3 days old09:16
paulyoh no i want n8 cause it seems easy to use im tired of having the coolest open source device and not using it the way i should cause i dont have the time09:17
robbiethe1stOh well...09:18
Siceloso the usb?09:18
paulysicelo that n900 i also broke screen on lol09:19
robbiethe1stUSB issues seem to vary with hardware revision; some older ones were 'weak', mine(gotten more recently) hasn't had any trouble, despite being dropped onto the cord several times09:20
paulyso now i have two n900 that i wanna sell or trade09:20
robbiethe1stYou have one with broken screen and usb, pauly?09:21
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Siceloso u bought another one & now u don't like it 0_009:21
paulyya lol09:21
paulyi know09:21
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flailingmonkeypauly: i have been unable to break mine, strong as a rock09:22
paulyi dont know if i want n8 n9 or sgs 2 or japenese docomo phone09:22
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Sicelorobbiethe1st: your latest BackupMenu is in the repos?09:22
robbiethe1stIn -devel, yes.09:22
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robbiethe1stAs of yet there's no way for me to promote *any* version to -testing, because one of my dependancies is only in -devel.09:23
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* Sicelo will get it later today09:24
flailingmonkeyrobbiethe1st: i thought that dependancies were automatically brought in when you promote to -testing09:24
robbiethe1stIt will work if your dependancy has a valid version in -testing.09:25
robbiethe1stOtherwise, it just gives an error.09:25
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paulythat makes sense cause the dependancy might not be perfected yet and there goes the whole point?09:26
pauly bought my wife a droid x for $20 usd bad esn including 16gb sd card09:27
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paulyl remember symbian having bitorrent client ohh im so excited and the nokia beta labs apps :)09:29
paulyi would hope s60 fifth edition apps work on symbian 3????09:31
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ruskiehmmm I wonder if it's worth waiting for some meego based arm tablet...10:06
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macmaNruskie: help on the meego -> nookcolor hackathon10:08
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ruskiemacmaN, I'd like something that comes out WITH it already on10:09
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vdvwhere can i look for release notes of the latest firmware for n900?10:12
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robbiethe1stHonestly, I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen any release notes on it10:14
paulylol thers a #symbian channel10:15
vdvi want to reflash my n900, but not sure if it's worth it10:15
robbiethe1stBack up your stuff, and yea, do so10:15
robbiethe1stit fixes some glitches10:15
vdvand i'm not sure whether "Version: 10.2010-19-1" installed now is not the latest one10:16
paviI am getting a new n900 as I wanted to get the last piece before its out10:16
paviSo tell me can I run meego on it ?10:17
vdvlast flashed image was: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin10:17
pavior even better maemo with Qt on it .. ( harmattan release ? )10:17
robbiethe1stYea, there's newer out there10:18
vdvok, thanks10:18
robbiethe1stIt's at least version 20.2010.36, IIRC10:18
robbiethe1stI'd say what version my device says, but it's been hacked so many times it just reports "<unknown>" :P10:19
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paulyany1 want to trade my n900 for ur n810:21
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robbiethe1stpauly: You'd have to ask elsewhere. Noone with an N8 would be in here...10:22
DocScrutinizer>>A Nokia N950 is waiting for you<<10:22
robbiethe1st(or atleast admit it10:22
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robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer: Just provide your bank account number and SSN to Mr Genuine Prince of Nigeria to recieve it!10:23
paulywhere would they be10:23
robbiethe1st(or fill out a survey... *participation required)10:24
RST38hDoc: What else is that N950 saying to you?10:24
DocScrutinizerpff10:24
robbiethe1stpauly: Uh... #symbian ?10:24
paulylmao n950  i seen transformers those 2 seconds was like wow10:24
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DocScrutinizerit's a friggin HTML mail @.@10:24
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: what will you be doing with yours10:25
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RST38hNSFW10:26
paulyrobbiethe1st: someone in here said someone would be interested so i will stay here10:27
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: actually, went and found your entry on the accepted participants page10:28
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robbiethe1stflailingmonkey: Link?10:28
flailingmonkeyhttp://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia then search for Joerg10:28
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DocScrutinizerNameNokia N950Special device typeLoan device10:28
DocScrutinizerAvailability date30.6.2011Estimated Delivery TimeApproximately one week10:28
DocScrutinizerPrice0,00Additional informationNo picture available10:28
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: wow10:30
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: you got yours?10:30
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DocScrutinizeryoh10:31
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: dammit10:31
* hiemanshu shoots DocScrutinizer10:32
* hiemanshu crosses fingers and checks10:32
* DocScrutinizer knew it - N950 is dangerous to your health10:32
Appiahomg10:32
Appiahthen give them to me10:32
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hah10:32
AppiahI'll take care of them10:32
* hiemanshu isnt at home and is too lazy to check email10:33
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: nothing :'(10:33
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: maybe there will be soemthing by the end of the day10:33
DocScrutinizerhttps://forumnokia.secure.force.com/OrderAgreement?product=Nokia+N95010:34
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: 'Product you requested does not exist'10:34
robbiethe1stSo, erm, the only people who show up on http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia are the ones accepted?10:34
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: summary of your project goals: fill in the gaps where developers got lazy10:34
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: yrd10:35
hiemanshuyes*10:35
TermanaDocScrutinizer, your forgetting (mostly) no one else can  read that10:35
flailingmonkeyyeah, they're working on getting the devices out now, past the selection phase10:35
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robbiethe1stOk, so I don't have to be sad quite yet, I guess...10:35
DocScrutinizernope, I'm aware of that10:35
hiemanshuTermana: did you get accepted into launchpad yet?10:35
Termanahiemanshu, nope.10:36
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: if you got it, I must not be too far10:36
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hiemanshuI'll be out for most of the day, hope to have an email by the time I am home10:36
DocScrutinizertoldya I'm batch 310:36
TermanaI was in the first round - so they must be going backwards!10:36
Termana:p10:36
robbiethe1stOh, wait. Tea, I'm declined. Oh well.10:36
hiemanshuTermana: I was in first round too10:36
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hah, fucking LIFO10:37
TermanaThe wait is killing me10:37
TermanaI'll be dead before they get to me10:37
Termana:p10:37
hiemanshuTermana: http://i.imgur.com/GNeQr.jpg10:38
DocScrutinizer>>No Copying or Distribution of the Product.  You may not copy the Product, or export, sublicense, lease, lend, sell, assign or otherwise transfer the Product to any third party. << :-D10:38
Termanahiemanshu, lol10:38
hiemanshuTermana: you know what would be worse, waiting for it to arrive :/10:38
hiemanshunow you are hitting F5, next you'll be sitting at the door for over a week :P10:38
TermanaDocScrutinizer, have you built a cloning machine?10:39
alteregoI got offered an N950 last night10:39
hiemanshuTermana: yes, its called china10:39
hiemanshualterego: huh?10:39
flailingmonkeyhiemanshu: the sad thing is that the kittens actually help10:39
hiemanshuflailingmonkey: yes they do :D10:39
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Termanahiemanshu, yeah, especially because I don't know how it's going to go down. Apparently they only deliver to your door, but all packages like that have always gone to my post office because I'm rural, so IDK10:39
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alteregohiemanshu: a Nokia guy was at an event I was at.10:40
hiemanshuTermana: whats the nearest DHL office?10:40
hiemanshualterego: ah10:40
hiemanshualterego: didja take it?10:40
flailingmonkeyalterego: i assume you declined on principle10:40
alteregoNo, said I'm expecting one soon.10:40
DocScrutinizer*W*T*F* >>No Reverse Engineering. You may not (or allow others to) disable, disassemble, decompile or reverse engineer the Product or determine the source code of any code that is not delivered to You by Nokia in source code format. You may not (or allow others to) enable any logic or protocols in the Product that are disabled when delivered to You by Nokia. <<10:40
flailingmonkeyof not having two :p10:40
alteregoSo he didn't give it out to anyone in the end.10:40
hiemanshualterego: sad10:40
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: that's pretty damn funny, because that's basically why you were chosen to get one10:40
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DocScrutinizerindeed10:41
flailingmonkeyalterego: where was the event10:41
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: they say a lot, you dont follow everything :P10:41
lcukalterego, did you goto the app-up?10:41
alteregoLondon10:41
alteregolcuk: yeah10:41
lcukcool10:41
lcukwas it good?10:41
flailingmonkeywhat sort of event? wish they did that sort of thing in the US :p but I'm not holding my breath10:41
robbiethe1stOh well, not that I had much chance at a N950 anyway, but I got the standard "proposal declined" message. I guess I'm just not a good enough dev. Or something. :P I apparently can try to claim different... but I've only got one shot. Any ideas on anything I can do to get one more shot in while I've still got a chance?10:41
Termanahiemanshu, 170kms away I think10:41
alteregoIt was, there was some UK specific info that wasn't in the SF app up.10:42
alteregoAnd it was much more bried10:42
alteregobrief   ...10:42
alteregoFree beer and pizza10:42
alteregofollowed by a free bar.10:42
hiemanshuTermana: ah, so once you have your tracking number start poking DHL :P10:43
lcukalterego, so what was the uk info?10:43
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alteregoJust things like PC World / Dixons group shipping netbooks and laptops with appup client installed.10:43
MohammadAGYay, I'm in Launchpad10:43
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: :D10:44
hiemanshuMohammadAG: and DocScrutinizer got his N95010:44
MohammadAGSeriously?10:44
hiemanshuyup10:44
alteregoLame10:44
MohammadAGwtf10:44
hiemanshualterego: nothing for you yet?10:44
MohammadAGsame day shipping or what?10:44
alteregoNope10:44
alteregoMohammadAG: next day10:44
hiemanshuMohammadAG: <DocScrutinizer> >>A Nokia N950 is waiting for you<<10:44
MohammadAGalterego, nothing in my email fyi10:44
MohammadAGalterego, so when did he order it?10:44
hiemanshuMohammadAG: about 10 mins back10:45
alteregoI know, I've already checked launchpad10:45
hiemanshuI mean10:45
MohammadAGhiemanshu, I got that, with a link to Rick Astley10:45
hiemanshulol10:45
alteregoMohammadAG: I think he's just got the email.10:45
hiemanshuMohammadAG: yeah I meant that ^10:45
TermanaMohammadAG, :p lol10:45
MohammadAGoh you're still awake?10:45
DocScrutinizersoory for long post, but that's the WTF of the day:10:45
DocScrutinizerNo Public Statements. Nokia is delivering the Product to You in an effort to assist You in developing Your software for the Product. On the other hand, You acknowledge that the Product is in prototype stage and still in development by Nokia and thus, not in commercial quality. In view of the foregoing, You agree not to i) make public statements about the possible errors, deficiencies, faults of the Product or Your other findings about the10:45
DocScrutinizerincomplete nature of the Product; and/or ii) disclose the Feedback to third parties, without Nokia’s prior written permission. You agree not to break or attempt to break any sealed security boxes or other security mechanisms protecting the Product. You will ensure that Your employees, if any, have been advised of these obligations. The termination or expiry of this Agreement does not relieve You of the obligations imposed above. This10:46
TermanaMohammadAG, yes, guess who was my next trolling victim? j/k :p10:46
DocScrutinizerSection 9 overrules any previous NDA’s between You and Nokia regarding the Product, if any.10:46
TermanaMohammadAG, it's still the same day here10:46
Termana5:16pm10:46
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think we have to stfu about the NDA10:46
MohammadAGcheck that before the next paste10:46
MohammadAGanyway, what's the Nokia+N950 url again?10:47
hiemanshuMohammadAG: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/OrderAgreement?product=Nokia+N95010:47
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: of course the NDA is NOT under NDA10:48
khertanMorning10:48
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hiemanshukhertan: morning10:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, sure?10:48
DocScrutinizerYES10:48
hiemanshukhertan: get an email yet?10:48
alteregoYou can't be under an NDA until you accept the NDA10:48
* MohammadAG chokes10:48
MohammadAGProduct you requested does not exist10:48
khertanhiemanshu, yep, but not from nokia :)10:48
hiemanshuMohammadAG: yes, stand in the line behind me10:49
alteregoHe's perfectly within his right to paste info, until he accepts it :)10:49
MohammadAGdidn't he already?10:49
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so its a conspiracy? :P10:49
khertanby accepting launchpad account you sign an nda ;)10:49
khertanso the nda is under nda :)10:49
hiemanshuyeah, but that is different :P10:49
alteregoAh, fair point10:50
hiemanshumeh who cares, like they can hunt me down in India :P10:50
DocScrutinizerIt is clearly saying we shall NOT blog, post, mail, etc etc about the products properties, as nobody can know if we might show shortcomings by doing that10:50
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: you can about your app, but not your device10:50
flailingmonkeylulz, conflict with expectation that all participants in meego open source dev program blog/post about their work10:51
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flailingmonkeyhiemanshu: DocScrutinizer's work is the device10:51
DocScrutinizerAbout my app means about the device, as clearly there's no such app on the device yet. So...10:51
MohammadAGthat's not what he stated in the application10:51
hiemanshuflailingmonkey: right, so he can talk about what he is doing, not how nokia fucked up10:51
flailingmonkeyhiemanshu: specifically making up for the platform deficiences :p10:51
hiemanshuwell thats what quim said10:51
flailingmonkeyactually this none of this really applies at all10:52
DocScrutinizerHey I build a better email client... OOOOPS10:52
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flailingmonkeybecause N950 is not a product10:52
ruskieYou agree not to break or attempt to break any sealed security boxes or other security mechanisms protecting the Product. <-- hahahahaha what's the point of getting the device if you can't actually do all of that...10:52
flailingmonkeyneed to add it to bugzilla: NOTAPRODUCT NOTAPRODUCT NOTAPRODUCT10:52
MohammadAGflailingmonkey, filing bugs != defeciencies10:52
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flailingmonkeyMohammadAG: sure, but some bugs might be filed, and could be closed by such a status :p10:53
flailingmonkeythey probably wanted something like that for N900: NOTACONSUMERPRODUCT10:53
khertansnifff qemu in qtcreator didn't want to run10:53
hiemanshukhertan: are you choosing the right target?10:54
khertanharmattan ... seems10:54
khertanthere is only one10:54
DocScrutinizerI know what they meant, but what the NDA *says* is pretty much you mustn't talk about your own app even, as you inevitably would disclose about "missing properties" of "the product" by talking about the awesomeness your app will bring to N9(50)10:54
khertani ve try to create an harmattan project10:54
hiemanshukhertan: there should be two, one harmattan, and one meego 1.2 harmattan something10:54
khertanStrange: Qemu button was enabled, but target does not match. <-- indeed ... seems a problem10:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, by app they meant normal app10:55
khertanhiemanshu, i ve 4 target10:55
DocScrutinizerme too, me too10:55
MohammadAGnot one that relies on tinkering with hardware10:55
hiemanshukhertan: go to projects, select harmattan10:55
khertanseems that meego harmattan run10:55
hiemanshukhertan: there should be a drop down with two options10:55
khertannot harmattan only10:55
khertanthx10:56
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: where did I mention hardware in my concern?10:56
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DocScrutinizer[2011-07-06 09:52:03] <DocScrutinizer> Hey I build a better email client... OOOOPS10:56
MohammadAGumm, what's wrong in that?10:56
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TermanaMohammadAG, it says that there is a definiciancy in the inbuilt one10:57
hiemanshuMohammadAG: indirectly you mean 'Nokias clients sukz arse'10:57
Termanadeficiency*10:57
MohammadAGno, it says you built a better one10:57
ruskieI'd actually love to see a better client...10:57
ruskieon any platform10:57
MohammadAGDon't stretch the NDA10:57
DocScrutinizertelling you build an email client at all implies it's a better one than the stock one (if any). So automatically you disclose details about a "shortcoming" of "the Product"10:57
hiemanshuI just want someone to port kmail to it10:57
MohammadAGthat's not how legal shit works10:58
ruskiehiemanshu, it's there10:58
ruskiehiemanshu, atleast for the n90010:58
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: for harmattan?10:58
hiemanshuerr10:58
hiemanshuruskie: ^10:58
robbiethe1st:P10:58
ruskiehehe10:58
ruskiethough considering how much crap it needs to just run... not even do anything...10:58
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hiemanshuruskie: yeah kdelibs and stuff10:59
ruskienot really bothered about that10:59
ruskiebut all the daemons it needs to run10:59
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: That's EXACTLY how legal shit works10:59
MohammadAGas you wish10:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you already agreed right?10:59
DocScrutinizerjust telling10:59
DocScrutinizerof course NOT11:00
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so you are not going to agreee to it?11:00
DocScrutinizerI'm actually *reading* such an NDA11:00
DocScrutinizerhierI probably will, it's a nice excuse not to publish *any* word about what I'm doing ;-P11:01
ruskielol11:01
JaffaMorning, all11:01
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hah ok11:01
MohammadAGmorning Jaffa11:01
hiemanshuJaffa: soon you will no longer be alone :P11:01
DocScrutinizerhonestly, this needs clarification with Quim11:01
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: read the N950 thread, he states it clrearly11:01
hiemanshuclearly*11:01
DocScrutinizerhe states something that's clearly in conflict with the NDA11:02
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: the NDA is most likely for the other devs (other than the meego DDP)11:02
hiemanshuwell atleast thats what I can understand11:02
DocScrutinizerhierlooks like, yes11:02
TermanaDocScrutinizer, I wonder what the legal standpoint is if you make two agreements with conflicting provisions11:02
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: ^^^11:03
JaffaTermana: Later one wins; because meego.com isn't providing anything to you.11:03
hiemanshuTermana: you follow the one with the more money and power to sue your arse11:03
JaffaAs Texrat points out, "share your experience" on meego.com isn't entirely conflicting with "these aren't review units, don't say anything negative211:03
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: trying to find the post give me a few11:03
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: it's clearly tailored towards commercial parties11:03
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yup11:04
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: ^^^ didn't mean (see above) for an answer, just for my ETAB11:04
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yeah, I saw that11:05
DocScrutinizerJaffa: the NDA is too strict and ill worded11:05
alteregoIt's a BS NDA anyway11:06
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: 'The point is to share your development experience, or anything related. These are not review devices for bloggers.'11:06
TermanaI don't care what the NDA says anyway, if it says I am signing my soul to them, I will, if they hurry it along and get it in front of me! :P11:06
hiemanshuTermana: hah11:07
DocScrutinizerso if I find a bug in develpment environment aka SDK that comes with the device, this also is covered by the NDA11:07
DocScrutinizerobviously not as it's public11:07
MohammadAGI already filed a bug against the SDK, no black choppers above my house11:07
DocScrutinizerbut according to the strict meaning of NDA words it was11:07
hiemanshuMohammadAG: no replies too either11:08
Termanahiemanshu, no word is good word!11:08
Termanaish11:08
MohammadAGhiemanshu, I wasn't under any NDA11:08
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer's not saying they'll enforce it, just that its overreaching. basically so that if they don't like you, they're pretty sure to find some rule you agreed to and didn't follow11:08
MohammadAGanyway the NDA talks about the N950, not the SDK11:08
hiemanshuMohammadAG: true, but I was expecting the devs to atleast reply to the bug11:09
MohammadAGhiemanshu, seriously? you expected that?11:09
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MohammadAGhow long have you been with us? :P11:09
flailingmonkeyhiemanshu the optimisttt11:09
DocScrutinizerflailingmonkey: I'm quite sensitive to such "tricks"11:09
alteregoHeh11:09
hiemanshuMohammadAG: yes, well, nothing wrong in hoping :P11:09
hiemanshu'I just ordered one for me. Now waiting... this can be a very long week :P' so one more person got it11:10
* hiemanshu hopes it have it today or tomorrow11:10
hiemanshus/it/to/11:10
infobothiemanshu meant: 'I just ordered one for me. Now watoing... this can be a very long week :P' so one more person got it11:10
DocScrutinizeractually the NDA is missing an excemption of publicly known stuff11:10
MohammadAGthere's still time for today11:10
hiemanshuMohammadAG: its barely noon there11:11
DocScrutinizerthat's the crux with this NDA11:11
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: NDAs for suits to sue other suits11:11
hiemanshu+are11:11
Termanahiemanshu, you've ordered one? WHAT? :p11:11
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hiemanshuTermana: nope, someone else did11:11
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hiemanshuTermana: thats from the forum11:12
Termanaoh ok, that's why you had the quotes11:12
Termanaquotation marks*11:12
hiemanshuyup11:12
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: I take pride in outsmarting suits on their playground11:12
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: true, its fun :D11:12
alteregoWhat's the point?11:12
flailingmonkeyi guess I'll get my ass over to the Intel AppUp event in NYC, maybe get to check this thing out in person :p11:13
DocScrutinizerthe point is the NDA for N950 has no excemption for publicly known stuff11:13
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: it also has no domain over it.11:13
DocScrutinizersue it has11:13
alteregonope11:13
hiemanshunothing yet11:13
alteregoIt infers no restrictions over open source packages on some server.11:14
alteregoThat it doesn't even mention.11:14
DocScrutinizerI must not -according to the NDA - blog about their sucking email client AS SEEN IN THAT PROMO11:14
alteregom'hmm11:14
DocScrutinizereverybody else may, not me though11:15
alteregoWho cares? You know they're not going to do anything.11:15
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: ssh + alpine FTW :D11:15
RST38hWhat NDA? What experience? I have not heard anything back from Quim yet11:15
DocScrutinizerI know they're not going to do anything, but I'm goinf to sign a paper11:16
alteregoRST38h: you're not likely to.11:16
alteregoRST38h: quim isn't replying, launchpad is.11:16
DocScrutinizerI READ papers before I sign them11:16
RST38hOk, have not heard anything from the Launchpad either11:16
DocScrutinizerand this paper is CRAP11:16
alteregoRST38h: joion the club :)11:16
MohammadAGI sign them then read it11:17
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: you remind me of the south park episode, where kids agree to be used in human experiments when accepting iTunes EULA11:17
MohammadAGthat way I know I can't reject it11:17
DocScrutinizerhehe11:17
alteregoRST38h: but some people have noticed launchpad appearing on their nokia developer profile11:17
alteregoSo you could religiously check there until you see launchpad :P11:17
RST38hMohammad: Really bad practice11:17
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MohammadAGtime to check my junk folder11:18
RST38halterego: I have had launchpad account for months11:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: check the URL, the device shows up there anyway11:18
hiemanshuflailingmonkey: human centipad, copied from human centipede :P11:18
RST38halterego: that part is not a problem11:18
flailingmonkeyyup11:18
alteregoAh, m'kay11:18
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: all I see is a how to on 'Order Devices' :P11:19
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alteregoI think this stuff is being done alphabetically anyway ..11:19
hiemanshualterego: nope, randomness11:19
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alteregoI don't like randomness ..11:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, device doesn't exist11:20
alteregoThere must be a method11:20
alteregoI would have thought alphabetically or by the order the emails came in11:21
hiemanshualterego: its called 'pick up a lucky bastard'11:21
alteregoBut if MohammadAG has got it now ...11:21
alteregoAnd he was one of the last11:21
MohammadAGI got launchpad, not the N95011:21
hiemanshualterego: he was batch two11:21
MohammadAGsecond batch bitch :P11:21
hiemanshualterego: and DocScrutinizer is batch 3, got his email11:21
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alteregoYeah, exactly.11:21
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hiemanshualterego: so the method is 'pick up a lucky bastard' :P11:22
alteregoDocScrutinizer was already launchpad11:22
MohammadAGif it's alphabatical11:22
MohammadAGyou have a long way to go :P11:22
alteregoNot really, if they're already on 'm' :P11:22
hiemanshualterego: timpoh got it too11:23
hiemanshuexplain that? :P11:23
DocScrutinizera quick google search yielded http://paste.debian.net/122060/11:23
hiemanshuso I am going to get a new KB today, I am sure I'll break my F5 key by the end of the week11:23
ruskierofl11:23
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, one question11:24
alteregoHeh11:24
MohammadAGwhich email do they send it to?11:24
MohammadAGI'm checking all 3 addresses11:24
hiemanshuand my current KB is expensive, should get a cheap $5 one for the F511:24
hiemanshuMohammadAG: launchpad registered one11:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the one you gave to launchpad11:25
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alteregoI actually changed my nokia developer email address last week11:25
hiemanshuoh wait, I could just use ctrl + r11:26
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: does the device show up on the DDP page too?11:27
DocScrutinizerYES!!!11:27
MohammadAGhiemanshu, you can also use Qt to make an auto refreshing browser11:27
DocScrutinizerimmediately11:27
DocScrutinizerhttps://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N95011:28
alteregoYou could write an N950 app to check if you're getting an N950 :)11:28
alteregoAnd run it in the emulator ..11:28
DocScrutinizerDAMN! I can not "save as..." the friffin NDA11:28
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, there's a pdf version if you accept it11:29
DocScrutinizerhaha11:29
hiemanshuhmm, I am off for a few hours, hope to have an email by the time I am home11:29
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Termanattyl hiemanshu11:31
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khertanalterego, i was batch 1 and still waiting n95011:34
sandst1Perhaps the Launchpad processing order is a stack :P11:34
khertanso just wait11:34
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khertanlaunchpad.stack.rand()11:35
javispedrosee? reverse arrival order!11:35
Termanakhertan, still waiting for Launchpad approval or just the N950 email?11:35
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RST38hApple has reportedly begun the filtering of outbound messages sent via its MobileMe service.11:36
RST38hNo, really: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/06/mobileme_censorware_row/11:36
alteregoHeh11:37
khertanTermana, n950 in launchpad :) i ve got the launchpad approval (but no email)11:37
MohammadAGthere's no launchpad approval email11:37
RST38hheya javispedro11:37
TermanaI'm still waiting to be accepted to launchpad :p11:38
javispedrohello11:38
sandst1hmmm. The wiki page has a history, so we could figure out the processing order from that x)11:38
flailingmonkeyRST38h: MobileMe was killed off, replaced by Cloud11:38
deimoshere a review of N950 http://www.fonearena.com/blog/40638/exclusive-the-epic-nokia-n950-hands-on.html11:38
javispedroI know one thing's for sure: my application is last ;)11:38
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RST38hwe cannot have all our applications last at the same time11:39
javispedrooh, it would deadlock until next year.11:39
khertanTermana, logout / login when verifying ... as using the same session seems give cache data11:39
flailingmonkeyi think N950 might be secret genius move11:40
MohammadAGno need to logout/login khertan11:40
khertanMohammadAG, was the case for me11:40
flailingmonkeythey pretend its a devkit, while getting N9 ready11:40
MohammadAGflailingmonkey, you deserve your thinking right revoked11:40
* MohammadAG calls aegis11:40
khertanMohammadAG, or i got it quickly between login / logout :)11:41
khertanaegis ?11:41
flailingmonkeybut use feedback to release N1K with cutting edge chipset and benefit of massive "focus group"11:41
* RST38h calls Ahura Mazda and the Tentacled One11:41
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flailingmonkeyfocus group begging to give opinions and not needing to be paid :p11:41
khertanAEGIS ("Antimatter Experiment: Gravity, Interferometry, Spectroscopy")11:42
MohammadAGyou wish11:42
MohammadAGjavispedro, khertan doesn't know about aegis11:42
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Termanakhertan, did you know your nose grows when you lie?11:43
Termana:p11:43
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Termanakhertan, also, logging out and logging back in didn't show it but thanks anyway :)11:43
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prometoyshi, does anybody use the n900 for tethering in fedora?11:44
khertanMohammadAG, warning: aegisSessionOpen() - failed to open platsec device (ret=-1) <<< hum ... i see aegis word here :)11:44
khertanTermana, trying is better than nothing11:44
khertan:)11:44
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flailingmonkeykhertan: its harmattan security framework11:45
MohammadAGyou know what platsec means right?11:45
khertana poloneese cake ?11:45
Termanaheh11:45
lcukMohammadAG, morning, which apps are you doing with n950?11:46
MohammadAGlcuk, the one I PM'd you the other day11:47
MohammadAGas well as some other unannounced work :P11:47
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lcukheh11:48
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alteregoUrgh, some of these "developers" don't sound like they deserve their place on the DDP11:49
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javispedro~aegis11:51
infobotrumour has it, aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism11:51
Termanaalterego, based on their current project or past projects?11:51
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alteregoTermana: just whining ..11:51
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flailingmonkeyalterego: I didn't even bother putting in an application, because I don't have published work. I think thats a pretty sensible requirement11:52
Termanaalterego, :p11:52
alteregoflailingmonkey: yeah, lets hope most of these guys bring worthwhile apps ;)11:52
alteregoAnyway, I'm gonna hit the shower,bbiab11:53
MohammadAGhit elop instead11:53
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RST38h"Hit the elop" sounds so well that t has to mean something special (I mean, other than hitting the actual Elop)11:55
sandst1RST38h: yeah, it's like 'Hammertime!"11:55
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* RST38h suggsets: "Hit the elop" (engl., slang) - Engage into a long row of complaints about corporate governance and upper management ruining the good, technically sound projects11:57
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flailingmonkeywon't catch on, as that happens so rarely11:58
flailingmonkeygood technically sound projects i mean11:58
lardmanmorning11:58
RST38hmoorning lardman11:59
lardmanhi RST38h11:59
lardmandare I ask about emails....?11:59
RST38hlardman: no, not yet11:59
RST38hlardman: nobody knows when either11:59
RST38hlardman: But Doc has dug out the N950 NDA somewhere11:59
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lardmanI had to log into my Nokia Developer account this morning, rather than it just remembering, but that may be nothing12:00
lardmancertainly no device yet available for me12:00
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'll ask again, did you accept the NDA?12:16
alteregoOf course he accepted it12:17
MohammadAGand I remember a part of it mentioning it shouldn't be pasted anywhere12:17
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ruskieMohammadAG, he can paste it before he accepts it12:19
ruskieafter that he can't12:19
MohammadAGI'd delete this then http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=25110#post2511012:20
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jonwilThat section 5 is exactly why I could never work with a N95012:29
jonwilAll of the thing I do involve reverse engineering or otherwise trying to make the platform better12:29
alteregojonwil: it's all bs, it's a default NDA Nokia use for everyone.12:29
alteregoDoesn't mean much in the context of N9/50 harmattan as every developer working on MeeGo Community Edition breaks its' terms :)12:30
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jonwilbtw, I am getting closer to having a clone of the Fremantle libdisplay.so mce plugin12:30
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jonwilit will need some testing by people to ensure it works though12:30
jonwili.e. that nothing broke12:31
jonwilits surprisingly complex12:31
MohammadAG:D12:31
RST38halterego: You are supposed to pay 500 euros for breaking it =)12:31
jonwilafter libdisplay, I will go for some more mce plugins12:32
ruskiejonwil, so you're basically working on getting fremantle into Freemantle?12:32
alteregoRST38h: pfft, they can f'off :P12:32
alteregoRST38h: if I break it I expect a replacement :)12:32
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RST38hBTW, all the launchpad-specific pages are gone off forum.nokia.com12:32
jonwilI am working on cloning/finding info on specific bits of Fremantle to aid in other projects12:32
RST38hI cannot find a single one12:32
RST38hDeveloper Account Preferences still state both NDA and the Launchpad membership though12:35
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alteregoI have a link on my N900 home screen which opens my developer account settings on nokia developer ..12:36
alteregoStill no launchpad :(12:36
Termanaalterego, still no launchpad here either12:37
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alteregoI wanna start hacking on it.12:37
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deimosthere is also a point that tell about a loan of 3 years. Nokia suppose to get it back after that time ?12:38
RST38hI guess the main question is whether Nokia will sitll exist in 3 years =(12:39
alteregoHeh12:39
RST38hBut we will see12:39
Termanaha12:39
alteregoNokia wont go under, as long as they've got MeeGo in the background12:40
alteregoAnd the talented hardware designers they currently have.12:40
alteregoThe whole N8, E7, N9, N950 look is super sleek12:40
RST38halterego: 1) Elop explicitely said there will not be Meego in the background12:40
alteregoAnd it's unique, which is awesome.12:40
alteregoRST38h: are you talking about that sea ray demo?12:40
RST38halterego: 2) He also said that WP phoens are being developed in California, not in some stinky nordic shitspot12:40
alteregoYeah, that's rather retarded ..12:41
RST38halterego: Which is [supposedly] unable to satisfy the sophisticated tastes of American customers12:41
alteregoBut then, I'm actually happy about it at the same time.12:41
MohammadAGs/that/he/12:41
RST38halterego: And finally 3) lots of European Nokia engineers got the message and left by now12:42
ArkenoiRST38h, s/customers/operators/. no one gives a shit about customers in US, it is operator-controlled market12:43
RST38halterego: So, in 3 years, only the Tentacled One can tell what will happen. But He is not saying.12:43
alteregoNo one, _should_ give a shit about the Us ..12:43
cpscottiwhat I hope is that at some point there won't be any Elop in the bg12:43
MohammadAGquestion is, where did they leave to12:43
alteregoNo one, _should_ give a shit about the Us ..12:43
alteregoYeah, we'll wait and see12:43
RST38hArkenoi: Well, do not mix his public message with his real goals12:43
MohammadAGalterego++12:43
jonwiloperators like WP7 because they can customize it a lot but at the same time its very locked down against user modification12:44
RST38hArkenoi: For the public, he has to provide a plausible explanation of what is going on.12:44
jonwilAndroid is customizable12:44
jonwilbut also user modifiable12:44
RST38hArkenoi: So he says "Americas are the main market and Americans want an American-design phone"12:44
alteregoThe US is tiny compared to, Asia and the Middle East12:44
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alteregoFuck American market :)12:44
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alteregoConcentrate on the more up-to-date European and Asian markets.12:45
RST38hArkenoi: And his US investors listen to him and nod12:45
ruskieI really don't get it why an EU based company would make america their main market12:46
ruskieit just doesn't make sense12:46
alteregoruskie: indeed ..12:46
alteregoIt literally, doesn't make any sense.12:46
robbiethe1stMS Shill12:46
robbiethe1stMakes p[erfect sense12:46
RST38hruskie: because US is where the money is?12:47
ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/comScore-July-11-MobilLens-report/ <-- especially when reading something like this the WP7 thing makes even less sense12:47
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alteregoWell, it does kinda make sense, Nokia can't compete with the super high end magic that happens in asia, and they have no market share in super smart phones in Europe and the US ..12:47
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RST38hruskie: because CEO is an American and he does not really care about weird slowpokes behind the ocean?12:47
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ruskienote to world... USA isn't the only thing around12:48
RST38hruskie: For US investors and managers it is12:48
RST38hruskie: And it actually works out pretty well for them12:49
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cpscottialterego: thanks for the QGraphicsView->scale thing yesterday at the meetup.. made my day and stopped me from going on an ugly, epic-failed, path.. :)12:51
alterego:)12:51
deimosthe CEO was also a manager of microsoft :)12:51
alteregocpscotti: no problem, have you tried it? :D12:51
RST38hOr did, anyway. Who knows what happens once US loses dominance12:51
ruskieasia takes over ;)12:51
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: stop spreading FUD, point me to the passage stating the NDA itself includes itself into it, I.E. NDA is under NDA. Damn we're not the friggin CIA, but neverthelesas I have to kill you when I say one more word about it12:51
alteregocpscotti: sorry about the abrupt exit, you know, trains and losing track of time ;)12:52
alteregoDocScrutinizer: you accepted an NDA when you created the developer account12:52
alteregoWhich could possibly cover other NDAs under that :P12:52
cpscottialterego, yeah yeah.. I know how it works12:52
alteregoStill, was a good evening12:53
cpscottialterego, I just added graphicsView->scale(1.35,1.55) and.. voilá! :D12:53
alteregoNice :)12:53
alteregoI'm glad it worked :D12:54
cpscottithe ratio's not the same bc of the menu on top12:54
DocScrutinizeralterego: if that'd contain any material marked "confidential" then you'd be right12:54
cpscottime too12:54
alteregoDocScrutinizer: well, I don't remember :)12:54
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alteregoI always read them, but don't really remember what they say :D12:54
DocScrutinizerI clearly remember this particular NDA does NOT contain any note about it being confidential, and hell why should it???12:55
RST38hDoc: You can kill him not being the CIA. Being CIA just allows you to kill him remotely, from a drone12:55
alteregoHeh12:55
alteregocpscotti: seeing and holding that N950 last night ..12:56
alteregoReally looking forward to having my own :D12:56
cpscottiyeah.. crazy.. but they are coming.... I hope12:56
alteregoI said it then, but it's definitely got the sex appeal / wow factor the N810 had.12:56
cpscottiI miss it already..12:57
alteregoThe N900 lacked it, but made up for it because it's just awesome, but the N950 just makes maemo look sexy again ..12:57
alterego*cough* meego12:57
cpscottiLol12:57
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cpscottibtw.. the tablet there... a bit ugly aint it?12:58
cpscottiI tried on the bus for 5 mins.. got bored and went back to my n900 for entertainment12:58
DocScrutinizerbtw you'll have a chance to read this particular NDA soon enough, and then point me to the "confidential" mark on top that's not there. Or you use google or a better search engine and find it already disclosed elsewhere so I'm talking about publicly available stuff, and that's usually not under anrstriction whatsoever12:58
DocScrutinizeranyway you need to make up your mind: am *I* the one nitpicking on the NDA, or are *you* even better than me on that nitpicking and even spreading FUD13:00
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DocScrutinizer((honestly kids, I probably can buy a preprinted form containing this exact wording on my next office utilities store))13:02
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alteregocpscotti: I'd recommend installing the wetab os on it.13:05
DocScrutinizerAnd when you stop acting like childs, ask yourself what damage is done to Nokia when this NDA gets public. Obviously none whatsoever13:05
alteregoThough ubuntu 11.04 works quite nicely, you just need to use a keyboard with it ;)13:05
DocScrutinizeras there's ZERO confidential material in it13:05
DocScrutinizerthe only faintly confidential material is the fact of existence of such an NDA at all, and that's been pretty self-evident with the community DDP13:06
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cpscottialterego, Hmm, looks like a good idea (the wetab one). but I'll force myself to just play around the beast and do something cool out of that.. so.. the less useful the better13:08
RST38hDoc, stop fuming over nothing13:08
RST38hWhether it is ok or not to publish the NDA, it is your personal decision, nobody here can *make* you change it.13:08
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RST38hNokia might, but then it will be between you and them13:09
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alteregocpscotti: at the least, update it to a newer tablet version ;)13:11
alteregoThe one it comes with is, well, super old.13:11
cpscottiahh ok. So then the wetab one is the easier way out?13:12
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, read sections 1a, 1b, 1c, 2, 3, 6 and 14 of the Nokia Developer NDA13:12
RST38hOh, what a bunch of raving wikipedian IANALs =)13:13
ruskieisn't the proper term... armchair lawyers?13:13
alteregocpscotti: the wetab os is more mature, but the meego tablet build that comes on the exo is old, so if you want to hack on meego tablet ux, then I'd at least update the install.13:13
DocScrutinizerI won't, as Quim is a saner partner to discuss this stuff. See http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25124&postcount=46913:13
alteregoBut if you want to _use_ the tablet, I'd install wetab os ;)13:14
RST38hruskie; yes, but it does not incude the asshole in it13:14
ruskierofl13:14
cpscotticool cool! Thanks.. by default I'd just think that what comes on it was what you'd get13:14
alteregoNeah, I think you've also got a windows 7 license on the back ;)13:15
TermanaDocScrutinizer, I was referring to disclosing information contained in the NDA for the N95013:15
DocScrutinizerTermana: MohammadAG: so if you want to start a legal case aginst me, you obviously have to find other partners. Quim won't evidently support you13:15
MohammadAGsigh, this discussion is still going?13:16
DocScrutinizerand for all that matters, in my book Quim == Nokia here13:16
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, gees you make such a big deal about the writing in the subsequent NDA, but you are fine with ignoring the first one.13:17
DocScrutinizerTermana: I'm doing this legal mambojambo since ~30 years now. Don't tell me how to read NDA13:17
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cpscottialterego, thanks!13:17
DocScrutinizerhell, I *managed* NDA stuff at OpenMoko13:17
Termanacool story bro13:18
DocScrutinizerand MY name is on first page of documents "disclosing stuff", so expect me to know my business13:18
alteregocpscotti: np :)13:18
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DocScrutinizersorry for my pissed mood, but >>[2011-07-06 11:16:35] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'll ask again, did you accept the NDA?<< sounds rather offensive to me13:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, actually, none intended13:26
lcukdoes anybody know how to (using grep/sed/awk) read just the latest version number from debian/changelog ?13:27
MohammadAGapparently talking about the N950 is causing arguments(?) or bad moods, let's talk N810s13:27
DocScrutinizermoo lcuk :-D13:27
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MohammadAGlcuk, Qt peeps13:27
lcukmoo!13:27
lardmanI know how to stop the bad moods and arguments, send us emails!13:27
RST38hIt is the long wait.13:27
* RST38h feeds lcuk some grass13:27
DocScrutinizerlcuk: grep "wahtever .*" infile|tail -n 113:28
javispedrolcuk,  $(shell head -n 1 debian/changelog | sed 's/[^0-9.-]//g')13:28
MohammadAG head -1 debian/changelog  | sed 's/[^(]*(\([^)]*\)).*/\1/'13:28
MohammadAGlcuk, have fun13:28
* lardman adds some tasty daisies13:28
lcuk\o/ thanks all13:28
DocScrutinizerooh, head13:28
DocScrutinizeryeah13:28
javispedro3 answers, all of them different :D13:28
Termanalardman, nom nom nom emails13:28
MohammadAGI cheated though http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle/debian/rules#line1113:29
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Termanaheh13:29
DocScrutinizermine the simplest as you don't need sed when you can use grep ;-)13:29
javispedroMohammadAG, hah, the answer I gave I use in drnoksnes debian/rule13:29
lardmanTermana: you received anything yet?13:29
Termanalardman, nope, still not accepted into launchpad13:29
lardmanhmm13:29
lardmanI'm assuming I'm accepted as I can see that page, but still nothing to order13:30
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG's the smartest as it really delivers exatly the string you asked for13:31
RST38hmhm, network is so slow today13:31
DocScrutinizerthough head -1 tends to fail nowadays13:31
lardmanAh I see Doc has ordered13:31
DocScrutinizeryoh13:32
javispedroDocScrutinizer, my regexp is too strict though, of course it works well for my version numbering style13:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I' also puzzled about $(shell ,,,)13:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer, comes from a makefile, which is where I bet it is going to be used in ;)13:33
Termanawow, this has to be the best N950 review ever - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA013:33
MohammadAGhey, it's not mine, it's Qt's debs' maintainer's13:33
javispedro*GNU makefile13:33
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: anyway, a subshell in a subshell?13:34
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's how makefile exec shell commands13:34
javispedrono, $(shell x) is standard GNU make syntax to spawn a shell -c "x", and capture stdout13:34
DocScrutinizerstrange13:34
MohammadAGmakefiles*13:34
MohammadAGCURRENTVERSION := $(shell head -1 debian/changelog  | sed 's/[^(]*(\([^)]*\)).*/\1/')13:34
DocScrutinizerafaik $( ) already opens a subshell13:34
javispedroin bash maybe13:35
DocScrutinizermeh13:35
MohammadAGand ash13:35
DocScrutinizerdon't say the word!13:35
MohammadAGbut not /usr/bin/make13:35
DocScrutinizerok13:35
MohammadAGwow Termana, awesome review13:35
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DocScrutinizermake is a special critter13:35
Termanalardman, do you mean this page - https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 ? I just get "Unexpected error has occured. Please try again." and it's not listed under My programs13:36
lardmanWhere does one find "My Programs"?13:37
Termanalardman, https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml13:37
Termananear the bottom of that page13:37
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trxTermana i guess it will appear here : https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX13:38
TermanaSame error :p13:38
trxtry to log out13:38
trxand back in13:38
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Termanatried that several times13:39
lardmanI get some redirects and eventually back to the Device Distrubution page with no devices listed13:39
trxlardman me too13:39
* lardman goes back to waiting13:39
TermanaBut, when trying to follow the launchpad application link from the email I get13:39
Termana"There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed."13:39
trxwell, it will show up/not produce errors eventualy so all we need is patience :)13:40
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TermanaIn the mean time you should all watch that review I linked above, it's great!13:41
* RST38h goes back to chewing nails13:42
alteregoTermana: we know you're probably rick rolling again :P13:42
alteregoTermana: if you didn't do it everyday ...13:42
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alteregoHi w00t__13:43
Termanaalterego, have you checked your email? I sent you something earlier13:43
alteregopfft13:43
alteregoMy email checks me13:44
alteregoIf you've sent something it must be the wrong address :P13:44
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Termanaalterego, it was an @msn.com one I pulled from Maemo packages13:45
alteregoOh13:45
* alterego checks13:45
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alteregoHah, you're in junk :P13:47
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alteregoI'd believe the email Termana if I hadn't already seen an authentic one :P13:49
lardmanreboot time, the wonders of Windows, brb13:49
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Termanaalterego, I don't know what your talking about?13:49
alteregoAnd obfuscating links in emails is a no, no :P13:49
alteregoHow many other people did you troll or is it just me?13:50
Termanadarn it13:50
Termanaalterego, MohammadAG came up with the idea and 5 minutes later I got him with it13:50
alteregoHeh13:50
MohammadAGkojacker ordered his N95013:50
alteregoNeat13:51
alteregoWhere's mine? :P13:51
alteregoTermana: also, that isn't the address I'm using on nokia developer ;)13:51
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alteregoTermana: also, that isn't the address I'm using on nokia developer ;)13:52
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alteregoIt's not called a spam bucket account for no reason ..13:52
MohammadAGTermana, didn't click the link though :P13:52
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MohammadAGI mean, Nokia doesn't use Tinyurls :P13:53
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, that was one of the give aways :P13:53
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javispedromy n950 is on a trash can somewhere in HEL13:56
MohammadAGhttp://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23n950club13:56
javispedroit's just waiting for it be to found13:56
* javispedro puts on indiana jones hat and mentally sings indiana theme13:57
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DocScrutinizerTermana: I went thru the nuisance to read LAunchpad/Developer NDA agreement and evaluate the ponts you quoted: they clearly define "Information" as "technical and/or commercial" in 1 a)b)c). An NDA is none of each, it's a contract and as such not information per se. So the further points need no evaluation13:58
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hiemanshu_MohammadAG: anything yet?13:59
MohammadAGhiemanshu_, Elop leaves Nokia!13:59
DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHA13:59
DocScrutinizerif only this was true13:59
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: muhahahaha! I'll now buy a N950 soon :D14:00
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: and I'll gift you one too14:00
javispedroElop leaves "Nokia, a Microsoft subsidiary" because now that he's back into redmond Elop also wants his old office back.14:00
DocScrutinizerbut wait, maybe not. Him leaving probably means "job accomplished, Nokia dead". So...14:00
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: and preorder a Nokia N10 :D14:00
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MohammadAGNah14:00
MohammadAGNokia still has a chance14:00
DocScrutinizeractually I winder what this RM-715(?) is14:01
sp3000timeless: pong (+20h)14:01
DocScrutinizerwonder*14:01
MohammadAGMeeGo isn't bad for consumers14:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, remember the RX-71?14:01
hiemanshu_I wish they would just let me order my fucking N95014:01
DocScrutinizeryo14:01
DocScrutinizeraah, I see a schema14:01
DocScrutinizermaybe ;-P14:02
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: so did you finally agree to the NDA and order your N950?14:02
MohammadAGnah, sure of it :P14:02
MohammadAGdon't ask how though14:02
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* RST38h sees the huge green robot eating symbians, webosians, and elopians alike14:03
DocScrutinizerhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce-hal.h  >>#define PRODUCT_RM716_STR               "RM-716" /**< ??? */14:03
RST38hWhile the latter engage in their petty market squabbles14:03
hiemanshu_RST38h: the one wiping the shit on the road?14:04
robbiethe1stRST38h: Oh well, so long as we still have devices with open bootloader, we can then load our own super-OS onto the Android device of our choice14:04
javispedrohah14:04
javispedrofirst step after the green robot eats the market is forget about glibc 3d drivers.14:04
RST38hMeanwhile: A former Flextronics exec is facing up to 30 years in prison for leaking details of Apple's iPhone 4 development as part of an insider trading scam14:04
Termanaalterego, MohammadAG: I'll stop pranking everyone for a while14:04
hiemanshu_robbiethe1st: HTC is finally going to unlock theirs14:04
javispedroTermana, why?14:04
robbiethe1stI heard about that14:04
TermanaBut have you checked your emails lately14:04
Termana:p14:05
Termanaj/k14:05
hiemanshu_Termana: you dont have my email ID do you? :P14:05
hiemanshu_Termana: spam GeneralAntilles and wake him up with disco lights :P14:05
javispedroRST38h, the details include keywords such as magic fairy powder?14:05
RST38hTermana: you are actually gone off that wiki.meego.com page14:05
RST38hTermana: I wonder why...14:05
RST38hjavispedro: If I tell you, they will make me share the cell with him!14:06
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu_: gan said the alarm is off when "house sleeps"14:06
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: damn :(14:06
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders where to pick up the DHL tracking number of the order :-D**14:07
RST38hjavispedro: Have you ever shared a jail cell with a business executive? It must be torturous!14:07
TermanaRST38h, from being a naughty boy?14:07
* hiemanshu_ shoots DocScrutinizer 14:07
javispedro~shoot DocScrutinizer14:07
* infobot shoots DocScrutinizer in the foot with a spitwad!14:07
hiemanshu_~trout DocScrutinizer14:07
* infobot slaps DocScrutinizer around a bit with a large trout!14:07
Termanahiemanshu_, no I don't unfortunately. I was going to do you earlier but I couldn't find your email address. Consider yourself lucky! :p14:08
hiemanshu_Termana: muhahaha :D14:08
infobot//kick hiemanshu_14:08
lardmanre14:09
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hiemanshu_my PC at home still has the script running, so if I get an email with N950, it would start playing music, that would freak out everyone at home :P14:09
hiemanshu_lardman: anything other than launchpad yet?14:09
javispedroRST38h, but those usually get out "quite early", fortunately.14:09
javispedro(for his cellmates, that is ;) )14:09
lardmanhiemanshu_: nothing on the order page and no email either14:10
hiemanshu_lardman: ugh, sad :(14:10
lardmanyeah14:10
DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHA actually there's no trace on my launchpad site about any order14:11
DocScrutinizerI gather it's been a hoax by termana14:11
TermanaDocScrutinizer, I went the extra mile for you my friend14:12
lardmanreally?14:12
* lardman removes Doc from hish Xmas card list :p14:12
javispedrobtw14:13
hiemanshu_"You have a watch waiting to be collected' <-- WTF :(14:13
javispedroon unrelated good news, nokia care does sell n900 stylus, for 6€ apiece.14:13
MohammadAGLOL14:13
lardmanouch14:13
DocScrutinizerlardman: but... but... I got the paperprint of the orderpage!!1!!1!!!1!eleven14:14
RST38hIt is the Meego watch!!!14:14
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: stop wasting paper, nokia is wasting enough already14:14
lardmansend me the device so I can confirm you had one, and I'll put you back on the list14:14
DocScrutinizerhahaha14:14
MohammadAGhiemanshu, whoever came up with that is a genius14:14
javispedroMohammadAG, he's not, it would have been much funnier if s/watch/n8/14:15
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: hah, well I renewed a subscription to something, they are sending me a free watch14:15
DocScrutinizerAAAAAH14:15
RST38hWP7 phone would be even funnier14:15
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: I dont care about watches though14:15
MohammadAGhiemanshu_, oh so it's a not a troll14:15
RST38hWe would be able to see Doc explode right here14:15
hiemanshu_MohammadAG: nope14:15
DocScrutinizer>>>Your order has been received<<<   >>>Your order has been sent<<< >>>Ticket for order OID-052736 [ ref:00D2Kmvd.5.......]<<<14:15
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: sent? :D14:16
DocScrutinizernow mail actually starts getting interesting14:16
RST38hArrival from Nigeria in 10 days.14:16
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lardmancustoms invoice number to pay?14:16
RST38hWhen you receive and unpack your order, do not forget to feed him.14:16
Hurrianhmm, my SD swap script doesnt seem to be working properly14:16
hiemanshu_RST38h: you mean blow her up? :P14:17
RST38hhiemanshu: This strictly depends on what you have ordered14:17
DocScrutinizer>>Your order has been sent on 6.7.2011. Please see the order information below.<<14:17
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: w00t14:17
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: so you should one of the first people to recieve it14:17
DocScrutinizerthose guys are fast as lightning14:17
hiemanshu_yeah14:17
DocScrutinizerI wonder how that could happen14:17
hiemanshu_now only if I could order one :/14:18
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: I can imagine quim standing there with a trout :P14:18
hiemanshu_'WORK YOU BIATCHES! WORK'14:18
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RST38hMore like calling them on a mouldy rotary phone14:18
RST38hAll covered with cobwebs14:19
hiemanshu_now the DDP page wont load :(14:19
javispedrobecause half of this channel hit F5.14:19
DocScrutinizernah, they are used to send 1000000 devioces per day14:19
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: so they are sending it from .fi?14:19
DocScrutinizer:shrug:14:20
hiemanshu_I know apple sends me from china, much much closer to me :D14:20
DocScrutinizerHi14:20
DocScrutinizerplease let me know once you have received the device.14:20
DocScrutinizerThank you,14:20
DocScrutinizerJoan14:20
DocScrutinizerDAS14:20
hiemanshu_DocScrutinizer: no tracking number?14:20
Hurrianah, lucky bastards getting the N95014:20
hiemanshu_Hurrian: only DocScrutinizer14:20
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DocScrutinizer>>You will also receive an automatic email notification from the courier providing you the shipment details. <<14:20
hiemanshu_ah14:21
javispedrook, votes for kicking all the bastards who have a device from this channel?14:21
hiemanshu_so once they collect it for shipment, they'll send it to you14:21
hiemanshu_javispedro: +114:21
hiemanshu_javispedro: Jaffa goes first, then X-Fade14:21
CorsacDocScrutinizer: I guess you already read today xkcd? :)14:21
DocScrutinizernope :-D14:21
Corsacthen go :)14:22
X-Fadejavispedro: I'd like to see you do that :)14:22
javispedro=)14:22
javispedrohalf of the chanops have a device, so it would be a kinda takeover =)14:22
hiemanshu_X-Fade: come on do eet! kick yourself out :P14:23
RST38hIt gets takeovererer and takeovererer14:24
DocScrutinizerCorsac: exactly to the point X-D14:25
Hurrianhttp://beta.html5test.com/results-mobile.html14:25
Hurriandohoho, nokia14:25
hiemanshu_Hurrian: well they'll have to improve to beat iOS 514:26
Hurrianwebkit vs webkit? fight!14:26
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hiemanshu_webkit vs webkit214:27
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Hurriananyone know if the new M6 browser is open source?14:27
hiemanshu_plus their JS engine, nitro something14:27
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RST38hWindows Phone 7 is *25*???14:28
hiemanshu_hmmm, there seems to be nothing yet14:28
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hiemanshu_and /me has to leave14:28
hiemanshu_see all of you from home14:28
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Hurrianhmm, /me has bad feeling that nokia-binaries is hueg14:32
javispedroNo programs. No programs. No programs.14:32
DocScrutinizer""This is the reference implementation of the self-referential joke""  http://xkcd.com/917/  HAHAHA14:32
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javispedroLaunchpadthis launchpadthat, when are we launchpading into launchpad?14:35
Appiahmy battery on the n900 seams dead and wont charge14:35
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Appiahnot even 1 year old yet14:35
Hurrianappiah, desktop charger or 5800 XPressmusic14:35
ruskieAppiah, hook the device to the power plugged charger and leave it for a couple of hours...14:35
ruskieor maybe your usb connector messed up14:35
Appiahruskie: oh ok14:35
ruskieHurrian, never really needed that one14:35
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Appiahno I got another battery and it started charging right away14:36
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ruskiewell if it's near flat it needs quite a while to get up14:36
ruskieand yeah... needs to be using the power plugged adapter14:36
Hurrianhmm, i'm thinking of buying a bag worth of batteries and swapping every time it goes flat14:36
Appiahbeacuse I got a low warning , then I started charging , 1 hour later i unplugg and 10secs later it dies14:37
Appiahand wouldnt charge again.14:37
Hurrianthats odd14:37
AppiahBut I'll try again, right now I need to recive some calls :)14:37
Hurrian1 hour charges roughly ~40% on the n900's stock battery14:37
ruskiethat is odd14:38
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Appiah eeeh14:39
Appiahwait14:39
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Appiahthis other battery is not charging either >_>14:39
Appiahdead usb?14:39
Hurrianappiah, likely14:40
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Appiahit just happens to be nearly full14:40
Hurrianuse a desktop charger , etc14:40
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Hurrianlooking at pics of older NITs, the kickstand's as large as the whole device14:40
Hurrianthat'd be nice to have on the N90014:40
AppiahI'm using the wallcharger that was included14:40
ruskiehmm14:40
ruskiethen sounds like a broken usb14:41
AppiahNokia replaces this for free right?14:41
ruskieshould14:41
javispedroyes, by giving you a n8.,14:41
ruskiebut you might get a swap device14:41
Appiahjavispedro: please dont joke about that!14:41
ruskiehe's not14:41
ruskiepeople actually get that14:41
ruskiesend a n900 -> get back a n814:41
Appiahin what countries?14:41
Hurriansometimes, a E714:41
ruskien8 is the n900 swap device14:41
Appiahcant fucking be14:42
Hurrianappiah, if n900 stocks run out14:42
ruskiefrankly I rather take a soldering iron to mine14:42
ruskieif that needs to be done14:42
Appiahgonna call the store I bought it from and check first14:42
Hurrianruskie ++14:42
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ruskieeven if I need to wire up each wire separately and have it sticking out of the device I would still do it14:42
Hurrianappiah, the USB replacement is in the service manuals14:43
Hurrianif it hasnt snapped off yet14:43
ruskiethat is after I would try with the actual local service14:43
ruskiesince they aren't nokia they might actually fix it14:43
Hurrianlots of other nokia devices made in 2008-2009 use micro-b, you should be able to get it fixed14:43
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Hurrianand if nokia charges out the ass for a USB repair, take it to a local shop14:44
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DocScrutinizerHAH http://xkcd.com/912/14:44
AppiahI'm going to the store were I bought it , and I know they dont send it to "nokia" but a service company14:44
Hurrianprint out any additional directions from the N900 usb repair thread14:44
Appiahsame company that handles most computers and TV's in this country..14:45
Hurriantell them to do that to it14:45
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ruskiebut so far had 0 issues with the usb port *knock on wood*14:45
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ruskieand had it since december 4th 2009 the day it was available here14:46
Hurrianhmm, really depends on device14:47
ruskieI think also how one treats it14:47
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Termanaruskie, yeah I had no problem with the USB port on my N90014:47
TermanaUntil I ripped it open and cracked the usb port off14:47
DocScrutinizerAppiah: I'd check the friggin wallcharger first14:47
ruskieor try a usb charge?14:48
DocScrutinizerand would conect device to PC to do so14:48
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HurrianTermana, lol wut14:48
Termanalol14:49
TermanaI didn't really crack the usb port off14:49
Hurrianhmm, i wonder if there's a way to make the USB port actually hook to the case14:49
TermanaBut i did rip it open, that tex screw gave me this shits and it was already dead14:49
Termanathe*14:49
Hurrianlike... every other Nokia device.14:49
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Hurrianfirst, why the **** is there a gap between the case and the USB port14:49
TermanaHurrian, I meant the hardware14:50
Hurriani know14:50
Hurrianjust complaining about how the symbian nseries people were likely involved in the N900 design14:50
DocScrutinizerHurrian: there's a gap to allow PCB insertion to the case14:50
TermanaHurrian, it just looked like you were making a joke about Nokia devices being dead (dead end as the tmo people say)14:51
DocScrutinizerHurrian: of course you *could* mount a usb receptacle to the case and solder to board with 5 wires14:51
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Hurrian@Termana, uhh, nope14:51
DocScrutinizer6 actually14:51
TermanaHurrian, well it was a good joke, so should have claimed it14:51
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Hurriandocscrutinizer, i'd like to be able to disassemble the thing ;)14:51
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DocScrutinizeryeah, pretty much that's hindering disassembly14:52
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Hurrianin addition, i'd still like to make my white and green N900 case14:52
Hurrianwhich i'll probably do with a lot of vinyl stickers14:53
ruskiehmm apparently Nokia is dropping Japan market14:53
AppiahDocScrutinizer: I tried 314:53
Appiah2 of them are nokia original14:53
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Appiah+ i tried 3 usb cables14:53
DocScrutinizerhmmm14:53
Hurrianruskie, not surprising14:53
Termanaruskie, for real this time14:53
DocScrutinizerAppiah: and you can activate and use mass storage mode?14:53
Appiahnope14:54
ruskieand apparently the main player on the Japanese market is Apple???!!!???14:54
Appiahget nothing14:54
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* ruskie tries to figure that out...14:54
Termanaruskie, not really surprising14:54
DocScrutinizerAppiah: then your usb receptacle is broken14:54
Hurrianhow the hell? apple in the japanese market?14:54
ruskieyeah14:54
Termanahaven't you seen the Japanese with their sausages?14:54
ruskiesame reaction14:54
DocScrutinizerAppiah: check for debris14:54
AppiahI'm making a trip to the store, and gonna ask em not to replace the phone if they are not gonna fix it , but just send it back14:54
DocScrutinizerAppiah: or bent contacts14:54
ruskieconsidering that they use something other than what us or europe use for mobile stuff iirc14:54
AppiahDocScrutinizer: looks fine14:54
Appiahbut it does look a bit loose14:55
Appiahor like it turned a bit14:55
DocScrutinizertouch it carefully - does it move14:55
Hurrianruskie, no, they're mostly GSM+WCDMA14:55
Termanaruskie, Apple accommodated that14:55
TermanaWith the iPhone 414:55
AppiahDocScrutinizer: with what?14:55
Hurrianonly that they're carrier-locked like fuck14:55
DocScrutinizerAppiah: fingernail, match, toothpick...14:56
Hurriandoc: stylus!14:56
Appiahdoes not really move..14:56
DocScrutinizeryeah!14:56
DocScrutinizerAppiah: let it check at a competent repair store14:56
AppiahHurrian: :D14:56
DocScrutinizerAppiah: ask your dealer about warranty swap14:57
Appiahyes I will14:57
DocScrutinizerAppiah: make sure you get *your N900* back14:57
Appiahlike I said14:57
Hurrianuses for the N900 stylus: drawing in MyPaint, using the horribly-hildonized connection settings menu, and poking people14:57
AppiahIf they wont fix it , send it back , dont replace14:57
ruskieHurrian, I thought they used some odd freqs as well14:57
Appiahwell wish me luck14:58
ruskieatleast read alot about your phone most likely won't work in japan type stories14:58
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Hurrianruskie, should still at least be GSM14:58
ruskieso basic service14:59
Hurrianyes14:59
ruskiefriend of mine that is now living and working there bought a LiMO phone14:59
ruskieand it seems they have quite selection of those from various operators as well14:59
DocScrutinizerIIRC in Japan you have to register your IMEI to carrier15:00
HurrianDoc - it's SIM registration15:00
DocScrutinizerso NO imported 'alien' phone will work15:00
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DocScrutinizerIIRC that's how they keep their markets clean in Japan and Korea15:01
ruskieand probably makes imeis a high value target15:02
DocScrutinizerit's even a *crime* to try and forge IMEI to make your unregistered phone work15:02
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ruskielegal registered ones that is15:02
DocScrutinizerare ~200 bucks if you get at all, again IIRC15:02
HurrianDocScrutinizer : >implying IMEI forging isnt illegal in a large portion of the world15:02
* RST38h isn't sure that the JP situation can be called "a market"15:03
RST38hToo heavily regulated, to believe you15:03
DocScrutinizerHurrian: remember the "IMEI 3645***345" line on that NOKLA phone yesterday?15:03
Hurrianyeah15:03
DocScrutinizerHurrian: I guess that's the kind of IMEI forging you get sued for in Korea and Japan15:04
Hurriandocscrutinizer, my gov't had a huge problem reprogramming the cheap crap phones you buy from China15:05
Hurrianon a side note, it is a PITA to reprogram IMEI on anything but chinese phones15:05
DocScrutinizercarriers have their own phones that are registered OOTB. If you import your phone, you need to ask them to register it, and either it's prohibitively expensive or they outright refuse to do15:05
Hurrianiirc, nokia phones require a baseband replacement for changing IMEI15:05
* ruskie tries to recall what he wanted to take a look at...15:06
DocScrutinizerfor sure not15:06
DocScrutinizerthere's always a way to flash a new IMEI usually15:06
DocScrutinizeryou just need the signing key ;-D15:07
Hurrianmost people in my country just say screw that and obtain some cheap BB5 phone15:08
Hurrianeh, i remember IMEI changing used to be profitable with older baseband chips from different vendors15:09
Hurriannow it's all fucking locked down ;)15:09
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Hurriansometimes, it's even in ROM (although it's a side effect of preventing unlocking)15:10
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Hurrianon a side note, i wonder how people spend $500 on a phone and have it constrained to cdma15:12
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ruskieshouldn't it be still possible transitioning between cdma operators?15:12
ruskiejust harder?15:13
Hurrianruskie, not every country has CDMA15:13
nid0ruskie, the point is prolly that there're hardly any cdma operators15:13
Hurrianalso, you're f---d if the cdma operator doesnt want to register your meid15:13
ruskiewe are talking about cdma2000 based network ala Verizon?15:15
Hurrianyes.15:15
Hurrianalthough, cdma operators have you at their mercy if you want to switch15:15
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ruskiewell gsm operators had you at their mercy as well really15:15
ruskiewith cell locking to network and such15:15
Hurrianruskie, at least you can unlock and transfer to another network by popping in a new SIMN15:16
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ruskieyou can't unlock if it's sim locked to the originator network15:16
Hurriansome operators even give you the unlock code or the software can be unlocked by some speshal flashing jig15:17
ruskiethey either need to unlock it for you or yeah you need to unlock it some way15:17
Hurrianit's different for every manufacturer tho15:17
Hurriansome can be unlocked in system software, some need srs hax15:17
ruskiearound here they charged quite a premium to unlock phones15:17
Hurrianruskie, $10 around here isnt bad15:17
ruskienow iirc it's all free15:18
ruskiebut I've stopped buying on-contract phones15:18
ruskieonly bought one... and not really worth it15:18
Hurrianif you lurk around a certain forum, they'll freely give out cracked versions of unlocker apps15:18
Hurrianwhich are a b**** to find anywhere else15:19
Hurrian@ruskie, one operator sells sim locked devices in kiosks15:19
ruskieI rather pay the manufacturer the pure price for the device than pay the operator a 160 markup for the device15:19
Hurrianwhee cheap devices... oh wait it's simlocked15:19
Hurrianbasically, prepaid simlock (lol)15:19
fluxit's sort of suprising that the idea of detachable sim cards was ever implemented15:20
ruskieI think all prepaid and mobile internet devices around here are simlocked15:20
fluxwouldn't the operators have been much happier had it not been, I wonder15:20
ruskiebecause they sell them as a "package"15:20
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Hurrianwhat usually happens is that people take them to unlock shops15:20
Hurrianflux , prolly was a time when operators were less evil15:20
ruskieflux, wouldn't know... never discussed this with anyone in the business15:20
nid0contract phones in the uk are reasonably worthwhile if you actually use it, and getting non locked devices is easy on all carriers15:20
Hurrianhmm, i still remember the time when SMS was charged $0 and calls were charged out. the. ass.15:21
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ruskieunless the operator forces me I don't plan on changing my package choice simply because I have no need for paying 2 eurs extra so I can get 50 minutes free/month15:21
ruskieconsidering I don't even remotely use up that many minutes15:22
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Appiahjust left my n900 to the store, I did leave a message in the description of the error that I dont want a n8 replacement15:33
Appiahnot that the people in the store had any idea on what I was talking about. But now I just have to wait about 8 weeks and see15:33
ruskiefun15:33
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ieatlintwoo, n950 order being processed15:37
Termanasad panda :(15:38
Termana:p15:38
trxieatlint when did your launchpad account got active?15:38
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ieatlintmarch15:40
ieatlintfirst time it's been useful actually, heh15:41
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ieatlintglad it finally paid off :P15:41
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TermanaHoley shite15:41
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TermanaSome progress - my Launchpad account has been approved15:42
trxmarch..15:42
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trxmine today, i hope i wont wait that long before mine gets useful :)15:43
TermanaStill can't access any of the areas though15:43
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trxthey are empty anyway15:44
ieatlintyeah, hence my comment on how useful it is15:44
ieatlintif you go to "support center" there is a "device distribution" tab15:44
ieatlintbut it was always empty for me... i got sent an email telling me an n950 was waiting for me15:45
alteregoEveryone's launchpad account is being approved15:46
alteregoExcept mine :(15:46
alteregoI should have been right at the top15:46
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Termanaalterego, heh, mine only just got approved. Hold on tight! :p15:46
Corsacwell, at least you were selected to have an n950 :)15:46
alteregoAnd I held an N950 last night .. And it was sooooo sweeeet ..15:46
Corsacthere are much more people that weren't selected :)15:46
alteregoPfft15:46
Termanaalterego, you should have just taken it :\ :p15:46
alteregoTermana: they were going to give it to me.15:47
TermanaI know15:47
alteregoBut I had to turn it down, it's kinda too late to cancel the DDP stuff.15:47
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alteregootoh, I was kinda right about today being the day :)15:48
alteregoThough probably not for me :P15:48
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fiferboyalterego: Mine was approved about 5 minutes ago15:50
fluxis launchpad useful for other than perhaps getting an n950?-)15:51
alteregoNice15:51
fiferboyalterego: There is still hope for you15:51
alteregoflux: it's useful for getting pre-release hardware if you're a developer, the DDP is a prize in the form of an N950 _and_ quick launchpad verification :)15:51
ruskieI really can't justify trying to get a n950... not even remotely interested in developing for it15:51
alteregoAndroid fanboy?15:52
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ruskieyou wish15:52
ruskieto honest15:52
alteregoEh?15:52
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alteregoWhy would I care what you prefered to develop for?15:52
ruskiealterego, I don't code much, what I do code tends to be not even user visible most of the time15:52
alteregom'hmm15:53
ruskieI mostly hack on existing stuff15:53
Termanaalterego, I'm not sure whether being verified for launchpad is really a *prize* except for the explicit purpose of getting the N950 :P15:53
alteregoYou probably wouldn't be eledgible then :P15:53
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ruskiealterego, as said to honest to lie about the true purpose15:53
alteregoTermana: that depends if you want to get other devices from Nokia to test your stuff on15:53
ruskieelse I'd just spin out stuff about porting whatever things to it and so on15:54
alteregoWell, if you're capable you could have just applied and ported some apps or something.15:54
alteregoWorth it imo15:54
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DocScrutinizerok, finally DHL tracking16:00
divanNokia N8xx concept.. http://www.coroflot.com/ultrajjo/nokia-concept-smartphone/416:01
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* cpscotti out of launchpad so far.. Will try to stop checking every 3(0) mins.16:04
cpscottiughh16:04
Termanacpscotti, you'll get an email now when it's ready16:05
DocScrutinizeralterego: the individuals Launchpad mebership seems to generally NOT allow you to receive any pre-release hw16:05
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TermanaHmm that's strange16:06
TermanaThey've locked me out of launchpad :p16:07
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DocScrutinizerI wasn't exactly easy to find out why DDP is empty for me, but finally somebody pointed me to a little word like "corporate" when Launchpad description explained about hw for developers16:07
alteregoHmm16:07
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Termanaerr16:07
Termananevermind, clicked the wrong link I think16:07
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cpscottiTermana, hope so.. otherwise veins in my brain will start to act weird a blow up16:08
DocScrutinizerso your individual launchpad account is really mostly void16:08
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divanDocScrutinizer, do you mean that account type 'Individual' isn't suitable for those who in the n950 receiving list?16:09
DocScrutinizeryou have access to sales balance of Q2/Q3/2010 or sth16:09
DocScrutinizerdivan: no, it's the correct account for N95016:09
alteregoNeat, obs support for Harmattan :)16:09
* alterego attempts to build something.16:10
DocScrutinizerdivan: but there were zero other devices available via that DDP page16:10
* ruskie attempts to not melt in this heat16:10
divanDocScrutinizer, ok. The absence of any news/updates make me a bit unsure if I applied correctly.16:11
DocScrutinizerdivan: I know that feeling16:11
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DocScrutinizerdivan: you got a mail from quim "ACCEPTED"?16:11
divanDocScrutinizer, yep, and replied with my developer ID.16:12
alteregodivan: me too, lets stick together ;)16:12
DocScrutinizerthen just wait until your device gets available. You'll receive a mail and device will show up on URL https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N95016:12
alteregoThere's probably just under another our of Finnish work time left ..16:12
alteregoThough some people reported getting launchpad access over night.16:13
* alterego makes an egg sandwich16:13
* lardman shivers after coming out of a -8C room16:13
lardmanhmm, still no email16:13
* javispedro wants to be in that -8C room16:13
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lardmanlol16:13
* ruskie wants to be in a 20C or lower room...16:14
lardmangot nippy after 5 min16:14
* lardman heads to a meeting16:14
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* divan got completely soaked today in the rain.16:16
* DocScrutinizer feels not exactly comfortable with being the only(?) one who got a device shipped today16:16
DocScrutinizermust be wrong16:17
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DocScrutinizerI wonder if konttori...16:17
GAN900It's quite irritating having Maemo reboot in the middle of the night and uboot default to MeeGo.16:17
GAN900No programs!16:17
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: HAH16:17
DocScrutinizerGAN900: that's clearly a flaw in uBoot16:17
DocScrutinizerthis MUST get sticky16:18
javispedroNo programs!16:18
DocScrutinizerGAN900: rename the uBoot.menu(?) file on uSD16:18
DocScrutinizer?16:18
javispedroDocScrutinizer: your guardian angel clearly works for nokia.16:19
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: looks like. o.O I wonder how I earned that16:19
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DocScrutinizeralways seemed like the majority of Nokians rather dislike me, for being a bit "asperger"16:20
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javispedroNo programs!16:20
alteregoHeh16:21
javispedroDocScrutinizer: the keyword these days is "fringe", as coined by qgil16:21
paulyhey lol dont get mad at me16:21
alteregoDunham16:21
paulybut anyone wanna trade their n8 for my n90016:21
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javispedrowe need a #meego-fringe channel, best way to describe what we'd do there.16:22
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you think fringe is a positive attribute now?16:22
* alterego branches meego-terminal to add multiwindow support.16:22
javispedroDocScrutinizer: definitely...16:23
DocScrutinizerok16:23
DocScrutinizerI think I'm definitely fringe ;-P16:23
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DocScrutinizeralways been16:23
javispedroI remember the first days of Fringe when people noticed "Artificial Intelligence" appeared on the list of fringe sciences ;)16:23
alteregoHeh16:24
javispedromy uni's dept. of software was not amused :)16:24
jonwilso does anyone here actually care about my efforts to make the N900 better?16:24
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jonwilthrough improvements to Fremantle16:24
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DocScrutinizerhmm, is intelligence a science, after all?16:24
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Termanajonwil, I'm sure there is someone16:25
TermanaA lot of us are just excited about the N9/N95016:25
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: DEFINITELY!!! how can you ask such things?16:25
javispedroO. M. G.16:25
Termanaand DocScrutinizer is too worried about what people think of him16:25
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javispedroNokia is apologising to me for delaying my Launchpad application16:26
javispedro... and I'm in!16:26
Termanajavispedro, Nokia... apologising? Screenshot that stuff!16:26
DocScrutinizerTermana: I'm never worried about what people think about me. Otherwise I wouldn't know where to stop worrying16:26
Termana:p16:26
MohammadAGTermana, do you ever sleep?16:27
jonwilI would say that the N900 is a BETTER piece of hardware than either the N950 or the N916:27
TermanaMohammadAG, hell nah. It's only 11pm here16:27
javispedroI'm in, I'm in! /me clicks URLs around like crazy16:27
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: depending on requirement specs I tend to agree mostly16:27
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jonwilThe main reason I consider the N900 to be so good is that the touchscreen is BETTER than any other TS I have ever used16:28
jonwilincluding that on the iPhone and the HTC Desire16:28
divanjonwil, even though I'll get N950, I bought the second N900 last week. Cause I'm in doubt that we'll have a kind of a such great device in the feature.16:28
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: and N950 comes with c-ts which I *hate*16:28
petteriso it seems that n9(50) has new terminal app. Anyone knows if it is opensource and if it would possible to port it to N900?16:29
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DocScrutinizerdivan: ++16:29
fiferboy_petteri: It is in gitorious16:29
petterififerboy_: do you have link?16:29
fiferboy_I think it is QML based, so probably workable for N90016:29
javispedroit cannot be fully qml based16:29
fiferboy_https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal16:29
fiferboy_javispedro: Probably not fully, no16:29
javispedroI'd be surprised if it is =)16:30
petterithanks, I will take a look16:30
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fiferboy_I would be impressed if it was16:30
javispedroah, so it is based on kterminal16:30
javispedro*kconsole16:30
fiferboy_Actually, looks like pyqt4 is used for the interface16:30
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MohammadAGew16:31
GAN900Yesterday I said it could only get worse if javispedro got one too--now it is!!16:31
MohammadAGhe got one?16:31
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: now https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 should work for you... To get either nice "internal error" OR...16:31
TermanaMohammadAG, not yet. He got his launchpad account16:32
CaCO3do i understand it right that meego only will use pyside instead pyqt?16:32
javispedroMohammadAG: I got an email about LP (blabla vast number of applications - I think this is because of the spam I sent ;) ) , but I cannot yet enter LP with my account :S16:32
javispedromaybe I should logout -> login16:33
Termanajavispedro, try that16:33
fiferboy_logout/login worked for me16:33
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: indeed16:33
MohammadAGwhere does once access their launchpad account?16:33
javispedrono deal :(16:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: lower left "develper prog"16:33
* divan got approved on launchpad program just now.16:33
TermanaMohammadAG, https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/16:33
MohammadAGI wish they'd add a N950 instantly16:33
Termanajavispedro, just give it 5 minutes then16:34
javispedrooh16:34
javispedroit is listed in My programs16:34
divanin My Programs on http://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml page there is 'Launchpad for individuals' appeared.16:34
MohammadAGYou do not have the required access rights to the page you were trying to access. Please see our Developer Programs pages for further details about our offering.16:34
javispedrosame as MohammadAG.16:34
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: log out ALL browser tabs16:34
MohammadAGbut it's in my programs16:34
* jonwil wishes mce wasnt so damn complex :(16:34
divanAnd in https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX I see the tab 'Device distribution'16:34
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TermanaSPLIT16:34
* javispedro was going to try OBS, so I can wait16:35
MohammadAGI just want it shipped before the weekend :(16:35
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got a DHL number?16:35
DocScrutinizeryup16:35
javispedroGeneralAntilles: MWAHAHAHA, but if they're doing it in reverse arrival order, and I'm approved already, your approval is soon. Start warming your stereo...16:35
fiferboy_GeneralAntilles: Too bad the approval doesn't trigger your setup16:36
paulyn950!!!!16:36
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paulyomg thats so cool16:36
CaCO3did any of you already start to port your maemo apps to meego?16:36
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paulypatrick dempsy used one also16:36
javispedrofiferboy_: but  the N950 is here mail will16:36
javispedrofiferboy_: even if you ignore LP status16:37
javispedrojonwil: center on the plugins!16:37
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DocScrutinizeractually you don't need either of those mails16:37
jonwilEven the plugins are damn complex16:37
jonwillike the display driver one16:37
fiferboy_javispedro: Yes, unless it goes to spam16:38
jonwili.e. libdisplay.so16:38
DocScrutinizerbut keep the URL of your order confirmation webpage - only way to access it later!16:38
javispedrojonwil: btw, I remember that MohammadAG found that vibra has a special d-bus api for manually triggering the vibrator (so that mce does not reset it), so I'm no longer interested in vibra :P16:38
javispedrowell, not THAT interested.16:38
alteregoWell, if I hopefully get launchpad tomorrow, then maybe I am still in with a chance to get t he N950 this weekend ..16:38
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jonwilwell I intend to reverse engineer what the vibrator plugin does16:38
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what does libdisplay.so?16:39
jonwillibdisplay.so handles display brightness16:39
javispedrojonwil: you know the fremantle plugin<->mce api?16:39
rm_workjonwil: figured that out yet?16:39
rm_work:P16:39
jonwiland yes I do16:39
alteregoBut that's probably wishful thinking ..16:39
fiferboy_DocScrutinizer: Can you tell where the device ships from?16:39
DocScrutinizerepoo16:39
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fiferboy_The real deal16:40
javispedroalterego: my past experience tells me that if you are in europe, thursday 12:00 should be latest if you want the device on friday.16:40
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rm_workjonwil: i don't need a complete reverse engineer of libdisplay.so i just need to know: when the display brightness is changed, where does it create a socket to, and what data does it send16:40
DocScrutinizererr not really16:40
rm_workjonwil: i can easily figure it out once i get a device i think16:40
DocScrutinizerHEL16:40
alteregojavispedro: Saturday is fine with me actually.16:40
alteregoSo I don't mind :)16:40
javispedroah well, there are some countries out there were people work on saturdays I bet ;)16:41
Termanaalterego, HA. Courier no deliver on weekend silly boy.16:41
jonwilwell I already reverse engineered it and will finish cloning it16:41
rm_workjonwil: ah, cool16:41
MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook/blobs/master/systemnotification.cpp#line4516:41
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MohammadAGjavispedro, ^16:41
rm_workjonwil: :) send me what you have for that as soon as you're done16:41
alteregoTermana: they do for me.16:41
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javispedroMohammadAG: was talking about fremantle vibra16:41
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what does libdisplay.so?16:41
alteregoI've had plenty of DHL deliveries on Saturdays ..16:41
javispedroMohammadAG: but maybe I'm confused16:41
rm_work<DocScrutinizer> jonwil: what does libdisplay.so?16:41
rm_work<jonwil> libdisplay.so handles display brightness16:41
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DocScrutinizerooh16:42
MohammadAGjavispedro, line 6116:42
Termanaalterego, I've been reading some experiences with DHL Australia. Apparently they get to to Australia quick and then it sits around for a couple of weeks here in Australia before they wonder wtf they are doing16:42
javispedroMohammadAG: yes, that's the one =)16:42
DocScrutinizerthnx16:42
javispedroMohammadAG: I used it in preenv since you found it.16:42
alteregoTermana: good job I'm not in Australia then :P16:42
MohammadAG:D16:42
alteregoBloody lazy Aussies :P16:42
Termanaheh :p16:42
MohammadAGdoes QFeedbackHapticEffect work on Maemo 5?16:43
jaskahttp://dudelol.com/img/microsoft-skype-skynet.png16:43
javispedrote what16:43
hiemanshunothing yet :(16:43
Termanahiemanshu, wb16:44
javispedroMohammadAG: via MCE vibra does not support any effect other than constant16:44
hiemanshuhey Termana16:44
MohammadAGjavispedro, that's Qt Mobility :P16:44
jonwilwell I intend to finish cloning the display plugin then I will post its code16:44
jonwilAfter that, I will reverse engineer some other things16:45
jonwillike the vibrator plugin16:45
javispedroMohammadAG: yes, but is it based on mce? or they bypass it in some secret way?16:45
jonwilI suspect it comes through mce16:45
javispedroon normal linux (&webos) vibra is an input ff device16:45
javispedrobut changing that on maemo of course breaks mce..16:46
javispedroheh, yet more reason for a vibra mce plugin clone ;)16:46
paulyanyone wanna trade their n8 for my n90016:46
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MCE doesn't support other than constant vib??16:46
javispedroDocScrutinizer: note though that your definition of constant is potentially more simple than mine's16:47
DocScrutinizeryeah, probably16:47
javispedromy definition includes a "intensity" or similar which is of course implemented with a pwm, so by your definition probably not constant ;)16:47
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so nothing for me today, maybe tomorrow? :P16:48
DocScrutinizerconstant patterns of any shape and number16:48
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: see mce.ini16:48
jonwilI can confirm that the vibra plugin writes to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse16:49
javispedroyeah16:49
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: /[VibraPatternRX51]16:49
GeneralAntillesWoo, LaunchPad.16:49
GeneralAntillesSo looks like alterego likely has it.16:49
javispedrojonwil: but if you write to it, at the next screen touch or ~something seconds, vibra plugin resets.16:49
GeneralAntilles"With his Wednesday prediction"16:50
alteregoGeneralAntilles: :)16:50
alteregoGeneralAntilles: everyone except me ..16:50
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: yes16:50
GeneralAntillesWhat's the hardware page link?16:50
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MCE is missing a "keep your sticky fingers off $subsystem!" command16:50
javispedroDocScrutinizer: can't look at the file atm, n900 does not respond to ssh for some reason and I can't be arsed to move ;)16:50
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alterego"Nokia Developer Member since 2001" Wow!16:51
jonwilit also reads dbus messages for req_vibrator_pattern_activate req_vibrator_pattern_deactivate req_vibrator_enable req_vibrator_disable req_start_manual_vibration req_stop_manual_vibration16:51
MohammadAG~n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N95016:51
infobotMohammadAG: okay16:51
javispedroDocScrutinizer: but that's where the dbus call that MohammadAG found comes into play: it allows you set a given intensity for a given time, and mce won't do anything for that time.16:51
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: http://paste.debian.net/122094/16:51
javispedroyou still do not have raw access, but anything is better than nothing.16:51
DocScrutinizer~botsnak16:52
DocScrutinizer~botsnack16:52
infobot:), DocScrutinizer16:52
* cpscotti "Launchpad for individuals (06-Jul-2011–06-Jul-2012)", voilá!16:52
DocScrutinizer~feed MohammadAG coffee16:52
* infobot gives MohammadAG coffee on a paper plate and seats MohammadAG on the park bench.16:52
* javispedro clears cookies and cache and retries LP..16:53
alteregocpscotti: not you too!16:53
alteregoWAAAAAH!16:53
divanHmm.. Devices list in 'Device Distribution' page is empty. Is it ok? Device order should appear in some time, right?16:54
TermanaDocScrutinizer, coffee on a paper plate16:54
Termanalol16:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: if mce actually does nothing, then maybe you *get* raw access during that timespan16:54
cpscottihehe16:54
cpscottilol16:54
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hiemanshualterego: you haven't got it yet?16:54
javispedroDocScrutinizer: nah, I think it will try to keep resetting to the intensity you specified in call16:54
alteregoNope16:54
javispedrobut never tried tbh16:54
alteregoLooks like I'm the last now :P16:55
Termanadivan, that's how it's suppose to be until you get the email16:55
DocScrutinizerI doubt that16:55
rm_workGeneralAntilles: hey yeah, launchpad on mine too :P though still no device listed16:55
divanTermana, thanks.16:55
javispedro(not really have any game that does anything other than constant effects!)16:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: can you decode that foo to a standard dbus-send call?16:55
* divan stopped worrying.16:55
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* javispedro lols16:56
javispedrowe already had this conversation =)16:56
DocScrutinizerdivan: see16:56
javispedrohttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-02.log.html#t2011-03-02T02:30:1716:56
DocScrutinizer~n950order16:56
infobotwell, n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N95016:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, eww, I hate coffee16:56
DocScrutinizerooh sorry16:56
MohammadAGice coffee is different but normal coffee is eugh16:56
alteregoI bet there's a cock up with my application16:56
cpscottino devices shown though... probably they're doing it as we type.. haha lol16:56
javispedrovirtually 4 months ago heh16:56
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I would love some coffee though16:57
divanDocScrutinizer, this links gives me an error "Unexpected error has occured. Please try again."16:57
* hiemanshu got drenched in the rain16:57
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MohammadAGalterego, watch your language16:57
MohammadAGthis channel is G rated16:57
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alteregoG for gonads?16:57
alteregogroin?16:57
alteregoGroping?16:57
cpscottig+16:57
javispedroyes, now I can get into lp16:57
hiemanshuG for Granny16:57
javispedroFree Microsoft App Hub registration16:57
javispedro!16:57
MohammadAGtime to /mkick then16:58
Termanajavispedro, that is the evil part16:58
rm_worklol @ RDA image: https://www.developer.nokia.com/pics/rda_structure_3.jpg16:58
alteregojavispedro: woo!16:58
rm_workit's an N900 and an N916:58
javispedrorm_work: N816:58
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rm_workah16:58
javispedrowell16:58
rm_workwell, does RDA even work with N900?16:58
hiemanshujavispedro: for one year16:58
alteregorm_work: yes16:58
alteregoAt least it used too ..16:58
rm_workinteresting, never knew that16:58
rm_workwould have been useful maybe16:59
TermanaRDA is useLESS16:59
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: alas this call does nuttin here16:59
rm_worklol16:59
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you still on PR1.2?16:59
hiemanshuTermana: not really16:59
DocScrutinizernah!16:59
fiferboyThis whole process seems to be just refreshing a new page in every step16:59
Termanahiemanshu, It didn't work good at all. The concept is nice, but the implementation is crap IMO17:00
MohammadAG<javispedro> rm_work: N817:00
MohammadAGE7 actually17:00
hiemanshuTermana: worked perfect for me17:00
hiemanshufiferboy: not really, the last step is 'Sleep/Sit outside your house and jump infront of every DHL van'17:00
Termanahiemanshu, I had major delays, couldn't open apps, swiping was just as bad etc.17:00
GAN900Termana, it's because they're running 4 vms per device.17:00
fiferboyhiemanshu: I thought it would be 'Refresh the tracking page to see if there has been any change' :{17:01
hiemanshuGAN900: launchpad yet?17:01
javispedrohiemanshu: the last step is very described by today's xkcd ;) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/delivery_notification.png17:01
DocScrutinizerdivan: that's exactly what that link gives until your N950 shows up instead17:01
fiferboyjavispedro: Yes, very appropriate timing17:01
GAN900hiemanshu, just within the last 10 minutes.17:01
hiemanshujavispedro: done :P I wrote an app just to do that17:01
TermanaWho thinks the xkcd guy is getting an N950? :p17:01
DocScrutinizer~coffee hiemanshu17:01
* infobot steals some of Guest39395's special coffee and gives it to hiemanshu on a silver platter.17:01
fiferboyTermana: No, I think he is getting a sword17:01
hiemanshuGAN900: so accepted?17:02
divanDocScrutinizer, ok, thanks.17:02
Corsacthe first package is a laptop17:02
GAN900No N950 yet, though.17:02
v13were the n950s posted ?17:03
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: the funny part about that dbus call is it succeeds17:04
alteregoGAN900: what time did your email arrive saying you've got launchpad?17:04
javispedroDocScrutinizer: do not have my n900 around to test but I am quite confident it should work17:04
fiferboyalterego: No emails for Launchpad acceptance17:04
hiemanshualterego: there will no email17:04
hiemanshu+be17:05
alteregoOh17:05
hiemanshualterego: you'll have to check your developer page and see it listed17:05
alteregoSo I just have to keep logging out and back in to developer.nokia.com until something appears?17:05
hiemanshuyeah17:05
fiferboyalterego: That is why GAN's disco lights didn't go off17:05
alteregoOr wait for the "N950 ready for you" email I guess,17:05
hiemanshuwell, you dont ahve to log out17:05
alteregoOh17:05
hiemanshualterego: just wait for the email17:06
hiemanshubecause launchpad is nothing extra except microsoft app hub :P17:06
rm_workjavispedro: lol yeah that happens to me ALL THE TIME. and i've tried to do that several times, too... though got lost trying to find their random sorting office in the middle of nowhere, or else it was closed anyway17:06
DocScrutinizerjavispedro:17:06
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:150017:06
DocScrutinizermethod return sender=:1.13 -> dest=:1.2388 reply_serial=217:06
rm_workthough i called and they said they actually could give it to me17:07
DocScrutinizernuttin17:07
v13For me, in d.n.c -> settings -> developer account -> my programs, it says "Launchpad for individuals (06-Jul-2011–06-Jul-2012)"17:07
javispedroi have a dhl office at 3 minute walking distance, so going to it is very tempting ;)17:07
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# mce --version17:08
DocScrutinizermce v1.8.12617:08
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# uname -a17:08
DocScrutinizerLinux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown17:08
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and the vib works, evidently17:08
DocScrutinizerjust not with this dbus call17:08
alteregojavispedro: heh, and what? Waiting outside and checking every van?17:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, works for me17:09
v13Q: Is it possible to install CSSU in scratchbox ?17:10
DocScrutinizerthe exact line I pasted above?17:10
DocScrutinizeroooh wait, under 29999?17:10
DocScrutinizernah, system bus17:10
MohammadAGdbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:150017:10
alteregoWell, it's after working hours in Finland now I guess, so maybe I'll get lucky tomorrow :(17:10
javispedroalterego: encamping right there and refusing to leave until they hand me MY DEVICE!!17:10
MohammadAGworks fine for me17:10
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: xkcd.com17:11
alteregojavispedro: rather than sitting at home on a nice comfy sofa waiting for them to deliver it to you? :P17:11
* javispedro wishes he could sit at a comfy sofa, when the courier comes in I will be at uni office.17:11
Appiah3hours without my n900 and I got ... (the only?`) a android phone that does not have exchange support, so I have to buy (or run limited trials) to get my mail and calender17:12
AppiahI miss it already17:12
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merlin1991v13: not unless you build the packages yourself17:12
merlin1991the cssu repo only hase armel packages17:12
v13arg... thnks :)17:12
merlin1991s/hase/has/17:12
infobotmerlin1991 meant: the cssu repo only has armel packages17:12
MohammadAGjavispedro, I can pick it up for you17:13
alteregoWell, guess that means I'm not getting any new tech this week :(17:13
alteregoNot even the N8 has been dispatched yet.17:13
hiemanshualterego: you ordered an N8?17:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: javispedro: fails for me. Now what?17:14
alteregohiemanshu: I'm being sent one to port some apps to17:14
hiemanshualterego: damn you17:14
AppiahIs there any information regarding this N8 replacement for n900 ?17:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: now you wait for jonwil to decipher mce's mysteries.17:14
javispedro;P17:14
DocScrutinizerhaha17:14
alteregoAppiah: if you send off your N900 for warranty repairs, there's a good chance you'll get an N8 back ..17:14
DocScrutinizerI wonder if I should send a pattern_deactivate for my xchat click17:15
alteregocourtesy "upgrade" ..17:15
Appiahbut there is like no official annoucment regarding this shit?17:15
DocScrutinizeralways thought patterns time out and good17:15
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alteregoAppiah: why would there be?17:16
alteregoAppiah: it's announced in their Warranty T&C documentation17:16
DocScrutinizerNOPE17:17
DocScrutinizerrefuses to work for me17:17
v13DocScrutinizer: what problem to you have ?17:17
DocScrutinizerdbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:150017:18
DocScrutinizerdoes nothing here17:18
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v13nothing here too17:18
v13why should it do somethings ?17:18
javispedrohm?17:18
v13(is there any doc?)17:18
DocScrutinizerjavispedro and MohammadAG claim it works for them17:18
javispedroand jflatt.17:18
v13nothing. both as root & as user17:19
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: do you have ts-click enabled?17:19
javispedroyes17:19
MohammadAGI don't17:19
divanis there any trusted info on the total count of N950 manufactured?17:19
DocScrutinizer:-S17:19
MohammadAGand it works for sociality users17:19
DocScrutinizerther must be some reason why it doesn't work here17:20
Termanadivan, over 9000!17:20
v13DocScrutinizer: what are you really trying to do? :-)17:20
* javispedro ponders where the hell I can find an obs client for gentoo..17:20
divanTermana, how do you know?17:20
v13docs: it doesn't work for me either17:20
DocScrutinizerv13: find out about that vib dbus cmd17:20
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TermanaI don't - it was a joke17:20
X-Fadejavispedro: Get the git repo and compile it?17:20
v13isn't mce only able to play pre-defined vibs ?17:20
javispedrooooooooooooh17:21
DocScrutinizerallegedly not17:21
javispedroit's not "obs client" but "osc client"17:21
javispedroX-Fade: what does OSC mean?17:21
X-Fadejavispedro: openbuild service client :)17:21
Sicelojust a quick question: my repositories should just say fremantle or fremantle-1.3?17:21
javispedroX-Fade: makes sense :) ta!17:22
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MohammadAG: what's your mce and kernel version?17:22
divanTermana, thanks, now I know new mem 'Over 9000' :)17:22
DocScrutinizersame as mine above?17:22
MohammadAGReport bugs to <david.weinehall@nokia.com>17:23
MohammadAGSegmentation fault17:23
MohammadAG :LMFAO17:23
DocScrutinizeryo17:23
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DocScrutinizersame here17:23
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# mce --version17:23
MohammadAGmce v1.8.12617:23
MohammadAGWritten by David Weinehall.17:23
MohammadAGCopyright (C) 2004-2009 Nokia Corporation.  All rights reserved.17:23
MohammadAGSegmentation fault17:23
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v13# mce --version17:23
v13mce v1.8.12617:23
DocScrutinizerall the same17:24
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:150017:24
MohammadAGmethod return sender=:1.12 -> dest=:1.225 reply_serial=217:24
DocScrutinizerexactly17:25
paulymaking a tmo account :) just to get rid of my n90017:25
v13stupid q: do you all have the device connected with usb ?17:26
v13(regarding the vib)17:26
DocScrutinizerwell, method return sender=:1.13 -> dest=:1.2421 reply_serial=217:26
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MohammadAGwith or without a USB, it works17:26
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DocScrutinizerno USB here17:27
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merlin1991pauly: want to sell yours?17:27
MohammadAGtry restarting mce17:27
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DocScrutinizerk17:28
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DocScrutinizersame17:28
hiemanshuso its 5.30 there, and probably time for them to leave in .fi, nothing today17:30
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* hiemanshu shoots DocScrutinizer and everyone who got an email today17:30
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javispedrono programs!17:30
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javispedrooh, yes programs ;P17:31
hiemanshujavispedro: did you get anything yet?17:31
javispedrocan access LP, but no N950.17:31
paulymerlin1991: im looking to trade for n8 or sell17:31
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hiemanshujavispedro: ah17:32
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MohammadAGfry the bootloader17:32
merlin1991depending how much you want for it and from where you would ship it I might be interested17:32
MohammadAGsend to Nokia service17:32
MohammadAGprofit17:32
merlin1991lol17:32
merlin1991MohammadAG: you forgot the ????? line to fit the scheme17:33
MohammadAGwhat? after all they are replacing N900s for N8s17:33
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v13afair, vibra was programmable too. do you remember to sys location for its programming ?17:33
lardmanhmm, F5 still not producing the desired results17:33
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hiemanshulardman: change the key, KTHXBYE :P17:34
paulymerlin1991: 300 usd17:34
paulyusa md17:34
lardmanwell it refreshes the page, just doesn't give me what I want17:34
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* gri also has an empty list :(17:35
hiemanshulardman: well, its end of the end at .fi, so nothing today sadly17:35
lardman:(17:35
lardmanah well, at least some are trickling out slowly17:35
merlin1991pauly: usa is lil bad on shipping to austria :P17:35
hiemanshulardman: wait for tomorrow, also we might be the top at the list17:35
lardmanI wonder if there's a link between Launchpad date and device order17:36
paulyuh oh lol17:36
paulymerlin1991: do u want it?17:36
lardmanhmm, perhaps not, only Docscrutinizer of the normal route people17:36
grilardman: "I have now activated your membership. Next the meego team will grant you access to N950 after which you can order the device.17:36
griYou will get an email notification about it. "17:36
merlin1991any idea what the shipping would come to?17:36
griso no link?17:36
alteregomerlin1991: it's free17:37
hiemanshualterego: lol, learn to read :P17:37
lardmangri: who was that email from?17:37
lardmanI didn't get one of those, but my Launchpad was activated yesterday17:37
merlin1991alterego: I'd like to see the person who sells something in the usa and ships it for free to europe, suuure :D17:37
javispedrolardman: what?? :(17:38
grilardman: Nora, Developer Experience and Marketplace, Device Access Services17:38
javispedroso we can expect a two-day delay since LP activation to device =)17:38
hiemanshujavispedro: mine was activated yesterday, so I'll see the device tomorrow17:39
hiemanshuhoping for it :P17:39
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javispedroyes, keep the optimism.17:39
grilardman: But I got contacted to change settings before activation .. thats why you might not get the mail as you had not to change anything17:39
lardmanah ok17:39
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lardmanjavispedro: Judging by Doc's experience it might be 4 months ;)17:39
javispedrowell, judging from my experience in LP, application -> approval took 6 months.17:40
lardmanAh, well I feel special at only 1 day then17:40
v13javispedro: Mine seems to have been activated today. no mail.17:40
lardmanor perhaps 2, can't remember exactly17:40
alteregoOh I thought we were stll talking about the devkit DDP17:41
v13javispedro: Judging from the 6-Jul-2011 - 6-Jul-2012 dates17:41
lardmanDocscrutinizer: ping17:41
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lardmanalterego: we are sort of, but moved off topic to Launchpad approvals I think17:42
* alterego yawns17:42
hiemanshulardman: learn to read17:42
hiemanshudammit, why doesn't anyone read backlogs :P17:42
lardmanhiemanshu: too long17:43
v13tl;dr17:43
v13:P17:43
* lardman has no clue what that means17:43
hiemanshulardman: too long; didn't read17:43
lardmanah, thanks17:43
paulymerlin1991: btw this n900 can overclock to 1100 mhz17:44
hiemanshupauly: thats a nice way to kill your phone17:44
merlin1991hiemanshu: nod17:44
v13lardman: http://tinyurl.com/c8lrbb :P17:44
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paulyonly did it to try it, i dont like power kernel17:44
DocScrutinizerlardman: pong17:45
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paulypanorama doesnt work with .ower kernel17:45
lardmanhey DocScrutinizer, saw your project idea about location stuff - the cinema was the one you mentioned17:45
lardmanYou could use Proximus for that17:45
lardmanas the backend17:45
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lardmanlocation aware event triggers17:46
* alterego gets bored17:47
alteregoThink I'm gonna play around with some QML17:47
lardmananyway I'm interested in the response that gri got, that it's the Meego team who now somehow enable each Launchpad account to get a device17:47
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fiferboyalterego: I'm finally playing around with QML17:48
lardmanor perhaps this has already been mentioned17:48
fiferboyalterego: Do you find anchor layouts WAY easier to deal with than grid/column/row?17:48
alteregofiferboy: yes17:48
hiemanshualterego: watch BBT if you haven't watched, and if you have, rewatch it :P17:49
alteregoWhat's BBT?17:49
hiemanshualterego: Big Bang Theory?17:49
alteregoOh, right17:49
v13tbbt17:49
fiferboyI'm finally making progress with my layout, now that I switched to anchors in the edit view17:49
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: I need to push some more code to svn, some time event gubbins, am working on location stuff this evening17:51
hiemanshulol svn17:51
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lardmansvn is presumably funny?17:53
hiemanshuno, just sad17:53
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lardmanI'll send it flowers17:53
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merlin1991lol, the meego harmattan debian policy manual defines and option that is called Maemo-Flags :D17:54
hiemanshuwhile you are at it, please fix it?17:54
lardmanhiemanshu: what's the problem?17:54
hiemanshueverything?17:54
lardmanworks for me17:55
hiemanshuprobably only for you :P17:55
lardman~lart Dell for only offering 6Gb of RAM17:56
* infobot beats Dell severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for only offering 6Gb of RAM17:56
* hiemanshu quits trolling and goes to do something useful17:56
jaska6GB? well, if its a subnotebook or netbook17:57
X-Fadelardman: buy 8GB extra for 40GBP?17:57
lardmanNah, full laptop with 64bit Win7 as standard17:57
X-Fadelardman: It is cheap online.17:57
lardmansure, just trying to save hassle17:57
X-Fadelardman: And pay 600% more :)17:57
lardmanI also need an nVidia graphics card, which may be troublesome17:58
lardmanX-Fade: well if they give the option of 8Gb it's probably not so much more expensive than diy17:58
X-Fadelardman: It is.17:58
X-Fadelardman: I was looking for a XPS 15.17:58
X-Fadelardman: Insane upgrade prices.17:58
lardmanreally? Oh, ok, I guess I'm looking at the same device17:59
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lardmananyway seems to only offer ATi, so no-go17:59
X-Fadelardman: XPS has nvidia.17:59
lardmanActually this is a Vostro Notebook17:59
* lardman goes back to the start to see why Dell is trying to sell him this one then17:59
DocScrutinizerlardman: sounds interesting, I'll chat about it later with you. Have to run now18:00
lardmanDocScrutinizer: no internet at home, chat to Jaffa or I will catch you tomorrow18:00
DocScrutinizernp18:00
holmesIIDoc, morning. I am trying to use VMWARE first18:00
hiemanshulardman: never order a dell online, you'll get much much better prices via phone18:00
DocScrutinizerleave me a few links to catch up what's going on, please18:00
holmesIIi'm afraid to destroy my linux system.18:00
lardmanI need to spec it and pass it to work to get a discount18:01
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hiemanshulardman: I for one got a free bag and 10% off on the online price18:01
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: sure, https://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus and https://garage.maemo.org/projects/proximus/ though not much code in the repo yet as my netbook didn't want to connect to the work WLAN yesterday18:01
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paulyi so thought someone would want a n900 or even two cause i have one with broken screen broken usb18:02
MySpaezhow much18:03
MySpaezalso exactly how is usb broken18:04
lardmanWhat screen res do people think for a 15.6" screen? 1920x1080 seems awfully high18:04
X-Fadelardman: Full HD or higher.18:04
ieatlintlardman: i have a laptop like that18:04
ieatlintlove it18:04
jaska1920x1200 :)18:04
lardmanwriting must be minute on the screen18:04
X-Fadelardman: mine is 1920x1200 now.18:04
ieatlinti need good screen res to dev18:04
alteregolardman: I've got a 15.3 at 1680x120018:04
hiemanshulardman: 1600x900 at the minimum18:05
DocScrutinizerlardman: check dwimd18:05
alteregowait, mine is the same as X-Fades :)18:05
* GeneralAntilles twiddles thumbs.18:05
alterego1920x1200 on 15.318:05
DocScrutinizerlardman: orphaned but good basis I think18:05
lardmanright, high res it is by popular vote18:05
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ieatlintwhich laptop?18:05
X-FadeYeah, you can always increase font size. It just looks a lot better. (You should know that by now) :)18:05
ieatlintone i have like that is a lenovo/thinkpad w51018:06
lardmanX-Fade: I'm dev'ing on a Samsung n140 atm18:06
lardmanso anything higher resolution will be better18:06
GeneralAntilleslardman, IPS if you can find.18:07
GeneralAntillesWill help a lot.18:07
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hiemanshuI have a 1600 x 900 at 14"18:07
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paulyMySpaez: well usb isnt on it and lcd cracked other n900 is good condition looking to trade for n8 or nice cash offer18:08
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GeneralAntillesHrm, says I'm a LaunchPad member, but I can't get into the LaunchPad page.18:09
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: log out and back in18:09
GeneralAntillesBroken SSO18:09
GeneralAntillesGotta love it.18:09
paulyall i use the phone for is pics twitter and craigslist so why not have 12mp camera18:09
GeneralAntillesMaemo's better.18:10
hiemanshupauly: then take a feature phone + camera :P18:10
lardmanbargain, 1181 excluding vat18:10
lardman£18:10
paulycameras re expensive and im not a pro18:10
X-Fadelardman: So then you'll get it at around 900.18:10
paulyplus i can directly upload my pics on a phone18:10
ScifigGeneralAntilles: Same here. I logged out and logged in multiple times. Is there any URL for launchpad other than that "Join Launchpad' link?18:11
DocScrutinizerlardman: I'm adding my 'comments' to https://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus18:11
GeneralAntilleshttps://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/18:12
DocScrutinizerlardman: afk, ttyl o/18:12
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lardmanthanks Doc18:15
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ScifigGeneralAntilles: Thanks. It simply confirms I have launchpad memship. Now, I should just go back to waiting for the email i guess.18:16
lardmanshame it doesn't give you an expected battery life as you add different processor and graphics card :)18:16
GeneralAntilleslardman, pfff18:17
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grimy notebook claims to have 11h battery life when fully loaded and the screen is at its darkest setting :)18:17
alteregolardman: heh18:17
lardmanmy netbook does actually manage about 7 hours18:17
kamuianyone have a google+ invite to give out18:17
kamui?18:17
lardmancan't see this quad core monster managing that somehow18:18
kamuiIm finally biting the bullet and I want in18:18
grilardman: i5 sandy bridge here, also uses the power good18:18
GeneralAntilleslardman, well, CPU throttling is way better than it used to be.18:18
lardmanyep18:18
lardmanTo get the nVidia card I have to go with i7, I guess that should be ok18:18
griwhich nvidia card?18:19
lardmanNVS 4200M18:19
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lardmanhttp://www.nvidia.com/object/nvs_techspecs.html18:19
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grithat's a separate one (no nvidia optimus)?18:20
lardmanno idea18:20
divankamui, pm me your gmail18:20
Scifigkamui: I got invited to Google+ but google says "We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon". And I am not in a hurry to join another social network that forces my profile to be public.18:20
lardmanthat card is compute capability 2.1 though, which is good18:20
divanScifig, they turn it on and off, so keep trying18:20
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lardmangri: can;'t see optimus on the CUDA support page18:21
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grihmm, the specs of the nvs 4200m look a lot different to the one I have18:22
lardmanyou have that card do you?18:22
grino18:23
griI have this one: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gt-540m-us.html18:23
GeneralAntillesgri, yeah, 'cause it's a workstation card. :P18:24
lardmanah that has compute capability 2.1 too18:24
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GeneralAntillesBecause lardman is all /academic/ and whatnot.18:24
griGeneralAntilles: I thought M means mobile/notebook?18:25
hiemanshugri: yeah, but workstation cards are differnet18:25
hiemanshudifferent*18:25
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jonwilcan anyone tell me which display the N900 uses? An analysis of the mce display plugin suggests that its either a Sony acx565akm or an EID acx565akm18:25
grilardman: Mine doesn't work good under linux thanks to optimus18:25
lardmanyours has more cores18:25
jonwilanyone know which of the 2 it is?18:25
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jonwilAlso anyone heard of CABC?18:25
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hiemanshugri: tried bumblebee?18:26
GeneralAntillesjonwil, was a Sony when it was first being prototyped.18:26
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grihiemanshu: Once, but had other problems. Ubuntu < 11.04 doesn't even support the i5's intel graphics adapter18:26
* GeneralAntilles hits Cmd-R a few more times.18:27
ShadowJKjonwil, cabac?18:27
jonwilno, its spelt CABC18:27
lardmangri: doesn't sound promising18:27
hiemanshugri: you need the latest drivers, try fedora 1518:27
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hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: and?18:28
GeneralAntillesNothing18:28
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grihiemanshu: I will use my vmware workstation a little bit more, tried all latest linux distributions with the new laptop and mostly it resulted in: Either no graphics acceleration, no sound, low battery life ...18:29
jonwilok, looks like my N900 has the acx565akm18:29
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DocScrutinizerContent Adabtive Backlight Control18:29
DocScrutinizers/ab/ap/18:29
lardmanI thought you wrote ablative there for a minute :)18:29
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: Content Adaptive Backlight Control18:29
hiemanshudammit, my N900 wont turn on, the battery died, plugged in wall charger, get the blinking orange light, go to the loading screen with circles, and shuts down :(18:29
v13get a new battery :)18:30
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hiemanshuv13: battery died = low battery :P18:30
grihiemanshu: How long did it load? Mine also had this once and refused to boot for a few hours ... and suddenly worked again18:30
v13oh.18:30
hiemanshugri: charged for about 45 mins18:30
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cpscottiDebugging Bluetooth discovery: get to know the names of all mac book owners in a 5km radius18:32
griI think mine loaded longer than 45 minus before it wanted to boot again18:32
jonwilI recon someone should make an initrd and kernel that can be loaded with -l that is specifically for charging the battery somehow and would be designed to use as little juice as possible when doing so to ensure that it could function as long as there is even a tiny bit of juice in the battery.18:33
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tapas_nick titapas18:33
tapas_oops18:34
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tapas2hi i'm sitting here at a friend of mine who got himself a nokia n800 with maemo.. i wonder how to access the root filesystem..18:34
tapas2sadly this friend only has a windows pc besides the nokia device, so all my linux skills are quite unusable at the moment18:35
v13tapas: there is an x-term app in n80018:35
tapas2v13: ah ok.. i didn't find it though18:35
tapas2v13: i guess i have to manually install it.. and vim :)18:36
tapas2though that might be a chore to use with the on screen keyboard..18:36
v13IIRC it is already installed18:36
alteregoThe harmattan pdf viewer looks neat18:36
jonwilyep, definatly looks like I have a sony acx565akm touchscreen in my phone18:36
tapas2v13: hmm, ok.. i searched the menus though.. must be a sneaky terminal18:36
tapas2:D18:36
v13tapas: i belive it is in utilities18:37
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tapas2if that fails: is there a way to mount the root filesystem from windows? it seems there was a visible partition on the device but it didn't look like the root fs18:37
v13tapas: have a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=621818:37
tapas2found the terminal.. great..18:38
v13I believe no. unless you setup ssh and you access it over sshfs18:38
v13unless of course you're using an SD card as the root partition.18:38
lardmangri: sprry to go off topic again, what laptop do you actually have?18:39
tapas2v13: ok.. let's see, if i can find the damn templates..18:39
v13templates ?18:39
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: yes, allegedly it's sony. And re charging, that is exactly what maemo does on act_dead18:41
jonwilok18:41
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tapas2v13: oh sorry, we're trying to get a software to run on that device... and we need to write a file for that..18:41
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tapas2v13: today's my lucky day.. i have a terminal and vi :)18:41
v13install an ssh server and ssh to it18:41
tapas2v13: is there a way to make the ordinary file manager show hidden files (dot files)?18:42
tapas2v13: will try ssh next...18:42
v13i don't remember. but there is at least one other file manager18:42
GAN900I'm going to get the email when I'm at the doctor's.18:42
tapas2ok18:42
tapas2going with vi for now :D18:42
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fluxgan900, and the doctor is going to send you to a rehab clinic, given you are unable to let go of your mobile phone..18:43
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grilardman: Acer Aspire TimelineX 5830TG18:47
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lardmancool, thanks18:47
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grilardman: The only sad thing in my eyes on that thing is: just a 1366x768 resolution :(18:48
lardmanI can't buy from Acer easily anyway18:49
griwould also have taken Dell if I had the money :)18:49
* lardman has no clue about laptops really18:49
GeneralAntillesgri, 11.6-inch?18:50
lardmannot been bothered for such a long time, need to re-immerse myself18:50
lardman15.6 I think from Google18:50
griGeneralAntilles: Available in 13, 14 and 15,6 inch - all cost the same18:50
GeneralAntillesThat resolution is unbearable for 15.6, and reasonable at 13.18:50
alteregoGeneralAntilles: I had an idea you might be interested in :P18:51
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jonwilAcer laptops suck :P18:51
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jonwilBrands of laptop that do not suck:18:51
jonwilToshiba18:51
jonwilApple18:51
jonwilAsus18:51
Scifigjonwil: Agree about Asus18:51
divanjonwil, Sony Vaio? :)18:51
lardmanDell in the sucks pile then?18:51
jonwilNope, Sony is crap18:51
jonwilDell is crap18:52
lardmanin what way?18:52
jonwilLenovo are GREAT18:52
GeneralAntillesLenovo's ThinkPads still seem OK.18:52
grimy eeepc fell on my foot some days ago - the eeepc is fine, my foot not :)18:52
GeneralAntillesIdeaPads not so much.18:52
jonwilLenovo is great because they basically bought IBMs laptop division18:52
nid0Advent laptops are pretty nice if you're on a budget18:52
jonwilso all the good things about the IBM laptops are also good about the Lenovo modles18:52
jonwilmodels18:52
ScifigLenovo X/T series are good though18:52
divanlenovo is great because of light for the keyboard18:52
jonwilHP and Compaq are also on the sucks pile18:53
GeneralAntillesApple's backlit keyboards are better.18:53
jonwilheck, ANYTHING branded HP should be on the "sucks" pile :P18:53
jonwilwell anything PC or computer related18:53
jonwilTheir calculators still kick ass apparently18:53
divanGeneralAntilles, for sure. Actually I don't understand why backlighted keyboards aren't mainstream.18:54
grimy workstation at work is hp - and it really sucks18:54
divanIs it some patents issue or what?18:54
divanThe Logitech Illuminated is the best keyboard I ever seen for PC.18:54
ScifigHP (uggh) had backlit keyboard18:54
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lardmanI guess that normally there's enough light from the screen18:54
nid0<3 my illuminated logitech18:54
divanScifig, which series?18:54
GeneralAntillesIBM Model M is the best keyboard for PC.18:54
v13lardman: who needs to look at the keyboard ? :)18:55
GeneralAntilles(Or the newly-manufactured Unicomps)18:55
ScifigPavilion dv something used it until the graphics card + MB burned18:55
lardmanv13: +118:55
nid0i've been using backlit keyboards for my pc's for like a decade, theres so few of them tho18:55
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jonwilyeah the Model M is the ultimate keyboard18:55
jonwilAnd from what I have heard, its built like a tank18:55
GeneralAntillesCould kill somebody with one.18:55
divanv13, lardman, do you ever had a need to print in three different layouts? It's not easy to learn blind typing for 3 layouts.18:56
v13GeneralAntilles: have you ever been in a lab with >20 IBMs with those keyboards ?18:56
GeneralAntillesv13, when you need function keys on a laptop that isn't a familiar one18:56
divans/print/type/18:56
infobotdivan meant: v13, lardman, do you ever had a need to type in three different layouts? It's not easy to learn blind typing for 3 layouts.18:56
GeneralAntillesOr when you need to calibrate switching from Qwerty to Dvorak.18:56
GeneralAntillesv13, yes, it's a glorious sound.18:56
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v13GeneralAntilles: what about midnight programming ?18:56
GeneralAntillesMakes me long for mechanical typewriters.18:56
Choomdivan: I can percectly type in two layouts18:56
Choomwithout looking at the keyboard18:56
lardmandivan: no, and I remember working in Switzerland and having terrible troubles with the Z and Y18:56
GeneralAntillesv13, what's midnight programming if the neighborhood doesn't know?18:56
GeneralAntillesChoom, so can I.18:57
jonwilThe ultimate keyboard would be a cross between an IBM Model M and an Optimus Maximus18:57
lardmandivan: so I understand your pain there18:57
divanChanServ, me too. But in third I have to look sometimes on keyboard. And functional keys were already mentioned.18:57
v13divan: I was a bit joking about the illuminated keyboards. Although I found the random key placements of laptops a bit annoying...18:57
GeneralAntillesChoom, the problem is I have to have a layout on the keys to put my mind in the right muscle memory.18:57
jonwili.e. take the cool sound and feel of the Model M and the cool lit-up displays of the Optimus18:57
jonwiland you have the ultimate keyeboard18:57
GeneralAntillesI can't type Qwerty on Dvorak (or the reverse).18:57
divans/Chanserv/Choom/18:57
grilardman: I will have the Z and Y trouble with the n950 ... not better :)18:57
lardmanyeah, I keep turning the volume up rather than jumping to the end of the line18:57
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ChoomGeneralAntilles: I use a US layout by default (which is also printed on the keyboard), but I can also type using a portuguese layout just fine with an american keyboard, except for one key that's missing on most US keyboards, which is the key between left shift and Z18:59
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jonwilI wish I could afford one of the fancy keyboards with the clickey feel and the loud key noise19:01
jonwilIts a pitty more keyboards that give you that nice loud click dont exist19:02
GAN900Choom, how different is the Portuguese layout, though?19:02
* RST38h yawns as if to swallow the sun19:02
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RST38hSoo, anything new and exciting?19:02
jonwilBut I think loud keyboards became a victim of the cubicle revolution of the late 80s/90s19:02
jonwilI am still working on the mce display plugin19:02
ChoomGAN900: lots, they have absolutely nothing in common beyond being QWERTY19:02
jonwiland the mce vibrator plugin19:02
RST38hjonwil: Nothing to do with the cubicle revolution, remmeber, for a very long time offices had open layout with a lot of mech typewriters19:03
GAN900jonwil, and cost cutting19:03
GAN900Look at the cheap shit bundled with computers these days19:03
RST38hjonwil: Rubber key membranes are simply cheaper19:03
GAN900doesn't last more than a couple years.19:03
jonwilyeah cost cutting is the real thing19:03
lardmanhmm, they are apparently selling these softtouch quiet ones as a feature19:03
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lardmankeys are too close together though imho19:03
GAN900jonwil, pckeyboard.com19:03
RST38hyeah19:03
ChoomI have a logitech G19 at home19:03
jonwilMy current keyboard is a Logitech, mostly because it was the only non-sucky keyboard I could find19:03
Choomwhich is backlit19:03
GAN900~$8019:03
Choomthough I don't care much19:04
* RST38h uses the occassion to blame Steve Jobs for island keyboards19:04
GAN900Don't need backlit on desktop keyboard19:04
jonwilisland keyboards are?19:04
GAN900That layout I've had memorized for years.19:04
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jonwileven more important than a good keyboard is a good mouse19:05
RST38hjonwil: see any apple keyboard and you will know19:05
jonwilme, I have a Microsoft USB optical that is just perfect19:05
RST38hwhat those freaking island keyoboards are19:06
jonwiland I would gladly buy another identical mouse if I could find one19:06
jonwilbut all the mice I see in the shops suck19:06
* divan tries to avoid mouse usage. vim is a perfect tool here :)19:06
RST38hGAN: You will honestly refuse a keyboard with individually backlit RGB LED keys?19:06
GAN900MX Revolution19:06
RST38hGAN: No, really?19:06
holmesIIhi, i just run maemo virtual machine in my VMWARE, i just wonder, should I install something or can I just start the ESBOX?19:06
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GAN900RST38h, no, but I don't need it on my desktop.19:07
RST38hok, fair19:07
GAN900It's too bad Logitech got rid of the clutched scroll wheel19:07
GAN900Most genius mouse innovation since the optical mouse.19:07
jonwilI dont want or need a battery-sucking wireless mouse. I dont want a tiny doesnt-fit-in-my-hand "notebook" mouse and I dont want a fancy expensive gaming mouse with a laser sensor originally developed for NASA19:08
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jonwilI just want a simple mouse with a few extra buttons on the sides19:08
jonwilnice big buttons19:08
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jonwillike my current MS19:08
jonwilbut no-one makes the mouse I want :(19:08
GAN900I need a lot of buttons on my mouse19:08
v13get a second keyboard :P19:09
nid0jonwil, wouldnt the current intellimouse explorer or optical series work for you19:09
v13GAN900: or this: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/18-button-open-office-mouse-makes-a-keyboard-look-minimal/19:09
* RST38h also liked the old Logitech mouse19:09
RST38hthe one built like a little cliff19:09
* Scifig bought a cheap wireless "nano" mouse off Amazon and the scrollwheel stopped working in < 30 days :(19:09
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OkropNickI'm trying to make full backup of N900 using rsync with -avz switches, but permissions on destination machine are not preserved. Is it because I'm not logged in on destination machine as root?19:11
jonwilMicrosoft doesn't make the  the intellimouse explorer anymore19:11
v13yes. you muse be root to preserve ownership19:11
jonwilat least not according to their website19:11
v13OkropNick: But most probably what you want to use is tar instead of rsync19:11
v13OkropNick: At least for what you describve19:11
timelesssp3000: ping19:12
kerio~ass rage19:12
infobotit has been said that ass rage is Mass STOrage19:12
kerioLOL19:12
* timeless needs someone who speaks sed19:12
nid0jonwil, dunno where you are but you can still get them anywhere in the uk, every computer retailer sells em19:12
jonwilI havent seen em at any local retailer for a while19:12
nid0including amazon19:12
jonwilbut I havent been looking that hard either19:12
OkropNickv13: thx, I'd rather rsync, it faster after next future usage19:12
v13OkropNick: oh.. sure19:13
v13timeless: I speak a bit19:13
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nid0OkropNick, you do also actually need to specify -p19:14
OkropNicknid0: thhanks19:15
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jonwilThe problem with the current intellimouse compared to the one I have is that the 4th and 5th mouse buttons are too small and in the wrong place19:16
jonwilhttp://www.overclock.net/attachments/computer-peripherals/131090d1259511676-help-mouse-razer-diamondback-msftintellimouse.jpg19:16
jonwilThats the mouse I have now19:16
jonwilThis one19:16
jonwilhttp://www.performancegaming.com.au/product_images/r/807/Intellimouse_main__39633_zoom__53367_zoom.jpg19:16
jonwilI believe is the latter model Intellimouse19:16
jonwilwith the 4th and 5th buttons in the wrong place19:16
jonwiland too small19:17
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jonwilmy current mouse lets me have my 5 fingers over the 5 buttons19:17
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RST38hBTW http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/e609/?cpg=froogle19:18
RST38hThe white one is kinda ugly but the black one...mhmmm19:19
nid0god I wish we had thinkgeek in the uk19:19
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RST38hYou have Amazon, which also sells these19:20
RST38hlook for "Luxeed keyboard"19:20
nid095% of the stuff on thinkgeek cant be got here though19:20
jonwilthinkgeek will ship just fine to the UK btw :)19:20
jonwillast I checked19:20
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nid0yeah, but they assrape you for delivery costs19:20
RST38hnid0: free delivery on this one, form amazon us at least19:20
nid0I checked it a while ago and they wanted like $130 shipping for something that was like $40 and not particularly heavy19:21
RST38hbesides, I have heard your government is doing most assraping19:21
nid0oh nice, luxeed keyboard on amazon uk, £15819:21
nid0thats a healthy markup19:21
RST38hnid0: kinda abnormal, you may have dealt with some overseas seller working through amazon19:21
nid0and only in white :<19:21
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RST38hwait, I will find you one in UK19:21
nid0RST38h: sorry think we're getting wires crossed, that was thinkgeek's shipping cost to the uk19:22
sid__is it possible to reflash n900 from shell with flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R without usb connection (it is broken)19:22
RST38hAh ok19:22
sid__i mean directly from device19:22
nid0amazon uk do sell that keyboard though through a seller, at £15819:22
RST38hWill f103.20 do?19:22
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RST38hhttp://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_30003.html19:23
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nid0heh, $40 case of bawls from thinkgeek = $124 with shipping to the uk :p19:25
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lardmansee you all tomorrow19:25
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* GAN900 notes spam from a local dealership isn't N950 mail.19:30
jonwilreverse engineering the vibrator plugin is going to be a pain in the ass :(19:30
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GAN900I guess the Finns have probably gone home for the day.19:30
Corsacjonwil: that's a confusing sentence :)19:31
Corsacdo you really want to reverse engineer the vibrator in the ass?19:31
jonwil:P19:32
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Sazpaimonhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7466919:35
Sazpaimonoh my god19:35
Sazpaimonthis guy19:35
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khertanDoes inotify is available in the Maemo Kernel ?19:36
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alteregoYes19:37
khertannice ... thx19:37
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JaffaSazpaimon: Wow19:40
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SazpaimonJaffa, this guy has made like, four threads about this19:43
JaffaSazpaimon: He must be making *really* good progress then19:43
Sazpaimonoh yeah19:44
Sazpaimonhe already made a poll with 10 possible names for the project19:44
OkropNickis this tutorial good for rsync backup, or some more additional directories should be excluded from backup?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore#rsync19:44
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OkropNickI can see that /opt is mounted in /home/opt - so probably it should be excluded from backup19:48
divanIs it real? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ - Power Management: GSM StandBy time up to 16 days(!!)19:48
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khertandivan, don't i didn't have one19:49
khertan:)19:49
khertanbut n900 page say GSM Standby Time up to19:50
khertan    12 days19:50
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SpeedEvilI think 12 days is gettable, but only in suspend-RAM mode19:51
divankhertan, ah.. clear :) How was it measured?19:51
SpeedEvilWhich isn't implemented.19:51
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DocScrutinizer~1320 / ( 24 * 12 )19:53
infobot4.58333333333319:53
DocScrutinizersounds completely feasible, without suspend2ram19:53
SpeedEvilMaybe just.19:53
DocScrutinizersure 'just' - it says "up to"19:54
ScifigOkropNick: /syspart /tmp /var/tmp /var/run /proc are also not necessary i think.19:54
OkropNickSc0rpius: thx, I'll check it19:55
OkropNickScifig: : thx, I'll check it19:55
DocScrutinizerOkropNick: you generally exclude all "alien" filesystems19:55
OkropNick:)19:55
DocScrutinizersee du -x /19:56
ScifigOkropNick: Also, you need to figure out which folders you don't need to sync using rsync. For example, I also exclude /home/user/MyDocs/.videos since I already have them on a PC19:57
DocScrutinizerkhertan: tracker uses inotify a lot19:57
OkropNickScifig: I'm also excluding these folders19:58
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OkropNickI'll check disc usage with x switch19:58
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DocScrutinizerOkropNick: see wiki user:joerg_rw/tools - I placed there the rsync line I use for syncing once a day19:59
khertanDocScrutinizer, tracker isn't a good example ...19:59
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DocScrutinizerit is, as it's the classical usage of inotify20:00
OkropNickDocScrutinizer: Can I askfor direct link?20:00
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools20:00
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* MohammadAG grumbles 1091 2 root RW 0 0.0 90.6 [sgx_misr]20:01
DocScrutinizerkhertan: since I don't know your usecase, I obviously can't tell what's a good example for _you_. That's why I used tracker as it demonstrates what inotify is usually used for and what it does20:02
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: did you get your dhl number?20:02
DocScrutinizeryep20:02
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: awesome, so whats the current status?20:02
MohammadAGcan I track it for you?20:02
khertanDocScrutinizer, :)20:02
DocScrutinizersittin in Helsinki Airport, waiting for dunno what20:03
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: ah, so its waiting for the DHL cargo flight20:03
DocScrutinizerpossibly20:03
DocScrutinizerI enabled SMS notification on all events20:03
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: so you'll have before the end of the week \o/20:03
DocScrutinizerexpect it to arrive tomorrow20:04
hiemanshuwow20:04
hiemanshuthats fast :D20:04
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* hiemanshu is still fucking waiting to order20:04
ScifigDocScrutinizer: Thanks for the Wiki link. Is your rsync script running as root on PC?20:04
DocScrutinizerDHL express is overnight20:04
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grihiemanshu: you're not alone ...20:04
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MohammadAGWhy oh why20:04
MohammadAGdidn't I get my20:04
hiemanshugri: I was from the first few to be approved by launchpad20:04
DocScrutinizerScifig: err, as user iirc, from user crontab20:04
MohammadAGemail, couldn't find anything that rhymes20:05
hiemanshugri: so I am expecting tomorrow to order, and monday to get it here20:05
hiemanshuMohammadAG: Why oh Why, didn't I get my email, I sat home waiting after dumping my female?20:05
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, any ideas if express shipping is available for outside EU orders?20:05
DocScrutinizerNokia will ship DHL express worldwide, dunno if that means overnight worldwide, prolly not20:06
hiemanshuMohammadAG: well 3-4 days20:06
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I want it before the 15th to show it off at the Qt meetup :D20:06
MohammadAGwell, friday's a weekend but they won't stop the plane mid air for that20:07
hiemanshuMohammadAG: DHL works weekends, just no delivery20:07
* MohammadAG hopes it ships tomorrow morning20:07
hiemanshuMohammadAG: you need the email first :P20:07
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: I'm *really* sorry about that, but there's absolutely nothing I can do20:07
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hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: #JustSaying :P20:07
ScifigDocScrutinizer: I am using similar rsync setup (pushing to PC instead). Will permissions of maemo files (root vs user) be retained with rsync?20:07
* gri has bad experience with dhl express ... normal dhl was always faster 20:08
GAN900DocScrutinizer, was overnight for me.20:08
DocScrutinizerI guess after the rather small number of shippings today, tomorrow will be a busy day20:08
GAN900From Finland.20:08
hiemanshuGAN900: to US?>20:09
DocScrutinizerGAN900: to US?20:09
GAN900Yeah20:09
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GAN900With the N900 DDP20:09
DocScrutinizerwell, your night then ;-)20:09
GAN900and . . . other things.20:09
DocScrutinizerGRRRRR20:09
DocScrutinizer;-)20:09
GAN900N900 September Proto,20:09
ScifigSo what does this magical email from launchpad have? A link where you can place the order or something?20:10
DocScrutinizer~n950order20:10
infobotsomebody said n950order was https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)20:10
GAN900Scifig, when the N950 email comes, yes.20:10
DocScrutinizerthat's the link20:10
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DocScrutinizerthere's NUTTIN in that mail, except that link20:10
hiemanshuUnexpected error :(20:11
DocScrutinizerthe fact you get that mail indicates the URL above  has started to work20:11
ScifigDocScrutinizer: Thanks. "Unexpected Error" as expected. F5 marathon continues20:12
ScifigI had a small hope that the email was just a formality and the link might work now since the launchpad membership is already approved.20:13
DocScrutinizerScifig: the link may work some hours before mail is reaching you20:13
DocScrutinizeror not, usually20:14
DocScrutinizerprobably the mail is faster usually than the status change in their mysql backend20:14
ScifigWell, I will just believe what sounds good to me :) bookmarked the link20:14
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DocScrutinizerScifig: I've seen mail providers "processing" delivered mails for hours20:15
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DocScrutinizersometimes half a day20:16
DocScrutinizergmail been notorious for that20:16
ScifigYes, I have seen that with gmail too20:16
sid__is it possible to perform a firmwarupgrade directly from n900 xterm? Does "flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R" work?20:16
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DocScrutinizersid__: good question - probably not20:17
sid__DocScrutinizer: any other way? my usb is broken20:17
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Scifigsid__: May be OTA might work if your USB port is broken. But I donno how to get it to work20:17
hiemanshusid__: um, how do you expect that to work? you cannot flash the root fs while you are using the root fs20:17
DocScrutinizersid__: anyway you have to start softupd or sth like that20:18
SpeedEvilYou can update from meego - if you can get that booted. I don't lknow of any detailed howtos though.20:18
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: actually once the image.bin on ideally eMMC got opened and flasher is in RAM and executing, you can stop scheduler and run a flashing process happily even to rootfs20:19
SeabladeHey quick question, what is a decent going rate for an n900 with a broken screen and USB port?20:19
DocScrutinizer50 bucks20:20
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DocScrutinizerif at all20:20
SeabladeAbout what I was thinking too, just wanted to see if anyone had a dissenting opinion20:20
sid__so i just have to boot from mmc120:20
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: is there a way to do it?20:20
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SeabladePretty much I am just looking to purchase one for spare parts sinceI  need to do some repairs on mine20:21
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I mean a tested way?20:21
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: in theory yes. Practically I doubt it's implemented20:21
DocScrutinizerSeablade: when screen and mobo is broken, what are the spare parts then?20:22
DocScrutinizerstylus? backcover?20:22
RST38hstylus!20:22
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: eMMC? camera lens? SoC?20:22
SeabladeDocScrutinizer The USB port I can likely resolder myself I suspect, to get the MOBO in working condition20:22
DocScrutinizerLOL20:22
DocScrutinizercamera module, fair enough20:22
DocScrutinizerSeablade: gambling20:23
DocScrutinizerthat's why I said 5020:23
SeabladeDocScrutinizer And since the GSM chip in mine seems to be shot that would give me a working mobo again to allow me to actually use it as a phone20:23
DocScrutinizer:nod:20:23
DocScrutinizerSeablade: if you know to hold a hot iron, you probably can fix USB20:24
SeabladeDocScrutinizer Truth be told I am trying to find a pic of the USB port before I make a final offer just to confirm I can do the repair myself, I do at least know my way around an iron20:24
SeabladeDocScrutinizer Considering part of my job description is doing repairs with an iron, though primarily on larger non-SMD devices, I suspect I can get that repair done20:24
DocScrutinizerget that zip pic http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=2720:25
DocScrutinizerand this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post54799120:26
sid__DocScrutinizer: maybe you want to repair my usb connector?20:26
DocScrutinizershould help a bit20:26
DocScrutinizersid__: I'm too old for that kinda stuff20:26
SeabladeDocScrutinizerIt does, that zip pic is interesting, looks like they mounted a SMD USB port to a different plane and then ran jumpers to the connection points on the original board, odd20:27
ScifigWill Nokia repair broken N900 USB if that's out of warranty? Any idea how much would they charge?20:27
SeabladeDocScrutinizer But the other pics all show that it is a pretty large solder contact area it seems so shouldn't be difficult to resolder20:27
DocScrutinizerSeablade: nah that's original location of USB20:27
DocScrutinizerSeablade: just new solder points a bit off20:28
DocScrutinizerScifig: nope, they don't20:28
* Scifig clutches his 3rd replacement N900 with fear20:29
SeabladeYea I am tempted to stockpile a few n900 these days...20:30
hiemanshugah, its been 3 hours and my N900 still wont power on :(20:30
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: wait til "green"!20:30
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: when I power it on, it turns white, then green for a few seconds and then blinking orange again20:31
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: hmm20:31
MohammadAGso, anyone with a facebook can now do video calls20:31
DocScrutinizermight be dead cell20:31
MohammadAGeven more reason to use G+20:31
cpscottiScifig ? Third n900? Glad to know I'm not the only one.. :D20:31
hiemanshuyeah my bro is home, going to try the battery from his20:32
ScifigI remember Jaffa said they sent him an N8 as a replacement for his N900. I hope they checked with him first.20:32
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: order a cheap new fake battery20:32
ScifigI don't want no symbian. Thank you20:32
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: lemme test if its the battery20:32
alteregoNo, they didn't check with him first.20:32
Scifigcpscotti: 1st time - USB broke, 2nd time - SIM not recognized.20:32
antman8968link to cheap new fake battery that can be trusted pls!20:34
* DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia cut N900 legs due to fab QA issues20:34
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I plugged out the charger, put the battery in again, and it boots up just fine and shows a 97% charged battery20:34
DocScrutinizermaybe they didn't get their fab QA test procedures tuned to maemo devices?20:34
cpscottiScifig, my story's way worse; 1st stolen, 2 stolen. First had smscon but not properly configured; second didn't had anything.20:35
Scifigalterego:That sucks.  I will remember that before sending for repair next time20:35
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: so maybe bme gone mad - I'd not exactly be surprised20:35
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yeah maybe20:36
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Scifigcpscotti: Thats horrible20:36
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DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: maybe you should ge real figures: use bq27200.sh20:36
cpscottiScifig, I know! I know.. but all's fine now..20:36
DocScrutinizerget*20:37
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: hmm, how do I use? is it already installed?20:37
SpeedEvilRandom question. I've been overcharged by DHL for an inbound package to me - they've overbilled the customs fee. Has anyone got any idea where to go from here?20:38
SpeedEvilUK20:38
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nid0most carriers will charge an "admin fee" on top of customs charges when theres one due20:40
nid0What is the administration fee?20:42
nid0The fee for business customers is £10 or 2% of the total duty/VAT amount incurred, whichever is the greate20:42
nid0r20:42
nid0that's dhl's20:42
nid0or if you had something going to you as an individual20:42
nid0 We charge £1.25, or 2% of the total duty/VAT incurred, whichever is the greater20:42
SpeedEvilnid0: yeah - I object to the 10 quid fee. But the problem is they charged 20 quid duty on a (correctly) declared 50 dollar/35 quid item.20:44
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SpeedEvilI guess I need to phone them.20:44
nid0if thats the actual customs charge rather than dhl's admin fee, you'll presumably need to take it up with hmrc rather than dhl20:44
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq2720020:44
SpeedEvilnid0: Possibly, yes.20:45
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: though you need i2ctools for that20:45
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I got http://enivax.net/jk/n900/20:45
DocScrutinizersame20:45
hiemanshu+it at20:45
DocScrutinizerbasically20:45
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vi__:wq20:46
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DocScrutinizeryoyoyo20:46
GeneralAntillesI'm going to drink a glass of orange juice every 2 hours until Nokia sends me an N950 email.20:47
DocScrutinizerVi__ says :wq - LOL20:47
GeneralAntillesMmm . . . orange juice.20:47
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: there is an indian movie 'Delhi Belly' if you watch it, you'll not have orange juice for a while :P20:47
sid__DocScrutinizer: is the connector useful/working? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414&page=420:49
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timelessGeneralAntilles: expensive orange juice, or the cheap stuff?20:49
timelessbecause i'd expect it'd get quite pricy20:49
GeneralAntillestimeless, well, orange juice is never expensive in Florida.20:50
GeneralAntillesBut it's roadside.20:50
GeneralAntillesSo, I guess it's technically the expensive stuff.20:50
timelessbut at a local discount20:50
timelessso unfair20:50
rm_worklol20:50
GeneralAntillestimeless, hey, move to Florida.20:51
GeneralAntillesWe'll drink orange juice together. :P20:51
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: what output from the script am I looking for?20:51
timeless:)20:51
DocScrutinizersid__: eh?20:51
timelessbut i just moved once20:51
timelessand i'm already burning up here20:51
DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: first of all voltage, and current20:51
* timeless hearts Aero behaviors20:52
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cpscottigee.. something nasty happened with my n900's bluetooth.. It won't go ON (either by calling the api or by going on the Bluetooth menu itself)20:52
DocScrutinizerit's always correct and gives you a pretty good idea about state of your cell20:52
cpscottiaaand it erased the device name by itself20:52
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: Reported Battery voltage : 4035 mV20:52
DocScrutinizermay be 80..90%20:52
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DocScrutinizershould still charge ~150mA20:53
hiemanshuCSOC: 93%, RSOC: 93%20:53
sid__for reflashing with broken usb20:53
DocScrutinizerirrelevant20:53
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DocScrutinizersid__: for flashing with broken USB I'd strongly recommend NOT to solder to those testpoints, but rather find a proper fixture to contact them with spring loaded contacts, so called pogopins20:54
GeneralAntillestimeless, how's the new job?20:54
timelesspretty good20:54
timelessbut Nightly's update behavior sucks20:54
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holmesIIDocScrutinizer, i am using SCBOX, but when i compile the file mohammad gave me yesterday, i got nothing.20:55
sid__DocScrutinizer: jea, i mean the connector http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1025996&postcount=35    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N900-UNLOCK-FLASH-CABLE-JAF-UFS-MT-BOX-MXKEY-/320515099442?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccesories_MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item4aa0304b3220:55
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timeless(i always get to restart twice, because the updater is *stupid*)20:56
rm_worktimeless, where are you working now?20:56
DocScrutinizerthat one, it's nice, but a bit of a pain to mod it20:56
timelessRIM20:56
rm_worklol20:56
rm_workshould have figured20:56
rm_workmobile in CA20:56
DocScrutinizerI'll need additional pogopins for it20:56
DocScrutinizerneed to get*20:57
sid__any other suggestions? i do not want to build it myself20:58
sid__*where to buy20:58
timelessgrr20:58
timelessflash is out of date20:58
timelessso i get to restart *again*20:58
GeneralAntillestimeless, one reason I stopped using FF.20:59
GeneralAntilles(aside from the non-native widgets)20:59
timelessum20:59
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: http://fpaste.org/skVr/20:59
timelessno browser uses native widgets...20:59
holmesIIneed help, DocScrutinizer20:59
GeneralAntillesi.e., in the browser window UI.20:59
GeneralAntillesNot the webwidgets.20:59
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DocScrutinizerholmesII: sorrry I'm busy. Ask the author of the file please21:00
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG knows way better how to build that than me21:01
timeless_and note that Adobe's updater is stupid21:01
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MohammadAGyou'll get a .so file whihc you have to place in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop21:01
holmesIIok, thanks anyway.21:01
MohammadAGsomeone correct my typo, kthxbai21:01
timelessit could trivially determine that firefox doesn't use the flash plugin21:02
timelessand deal w/ updating the plugin21:02
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timelessit could also rename the plugin, install the replacement, register a delete-later thing21:02
timelessand then terminate a plugin-container which is actually using flash21:02
timelessfirefox would deal w/ it21:03
MohammadAGholmesII, can't see why you need to see it though21:04
MohammadAGit's just a clone of the default battery indicator21:04
MohammadAGwithout battery sounds21:04
holmesIIwhat i need is to gain the charge level (mha) for other purpose use.21:05
holmesIIi am now running VMWARE. the SCBOX is running fine. I can debug your program but when i run it. there is no output. no .so files.21:05
holmesIIi need to read your program and learn how to get the charge level.21:06
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holmesIIbut if i compile with make in terminal. i will get the same results as in N900.21:08
holmesIIthe only thing i am doing now is create a empty project and import your code into it and compile.21:08
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG, ... ours is not to question why ;) hehe21:11
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Noobmonk3yi'm sure about 2 years ago someone said can we overclock etc etc.... and most said why (Replace overclock with anything like hostmode blah blah)21:12
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rm_workNoobmonk3y: truth21:17
timelessooh, The Wizard of Oz is playing today21:17
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rm_workalso, any time I talked to Quim about my app, he would consistently just say "i don't see why that's necessary"21:17
rm_work(advanced backlight)21:17
hiemanshurm_work: but you are getting a N950 right?21:17
rm_workyes21:17
rm_workand he kept approving me to go to conferences and such21:18
GeneralAntillesrm_work, it wasn't THAT bad.21:18
GeneralAntillesIt was just the one time here. :P21:18
hiemanshurm_work: http://www.ihighfive.com/21:18
timelesshttp://www.blogto.com/film/2011/06/free_outdoor_film_screenings_in_toronto_summer_2011/21:18
* timeless is amused by the start times21:18
rm_workGeneralAntilles: you weren't at Mozilla/Maemo Denmark21:18
GeneralAntillesAh21:18
GeneralAntillesDid he make you cry?21:18
rm_worklol21:18
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: http://www.ihighfive.com/21:18
GeneralAntillesWant me to go beat him up for you?21:18
rm_workno but he was like "wtf, not needed" the whole time21:19
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GeneralAntilleslol21:19
GeneralAntilles"WHY ARE YOU HERE?"21:19
rm_workthough he did get that ridiculous top-down picture of me21:19
GeneralAntilles"Because you approved me."21:19
rm_workyeah basically21:19
Noobmonk3y:)21:19
GeneralAntilles"I ASK AGAIN. WHY ARE YOU HERE?"21:19
MohammadAGumm, project?21:20
MohammadAGjust run make21:20
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hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: bcoz I am so fucken sick, dawg :P21:20
holmesIIyes. if i run make, i will get the same results as i did in N900. it said i don't have hildon-1 package21:20
MohammadAGthen install it21:21
holmesIIbut when i create an empty project in SCBOX, i can see there is referece for hildon-1 and many others21:21
holmesIIwhen i run make, i got the error results21:21
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: http://twitter.com/#!/b0unc3/status/88511652525383680 :(21:21
GeneralAntillesThat's such bullshit.21:22
* GeneralAntilles rages a bit.21:22
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GeneralAntillesThink they're rolling dice to see who to approve next?21:23
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: he/she is from batch three :/21:23
rm_workah, this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/3579487690/21:23
GeneralAntillesNice21:24
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rm_workROFL just saw this one for the first time: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmy2k/3587005206/21:25
hiemanshurm_work: thats you?21:26
rm_workyes lol21:26
timelesspeeling kiwis is optional..21:26
rm_worktimeless: indeed :P21:26
hiemanshurm_work: were you planning on swallowing the one thing at once?21:27
rm_worklol nearly21:27
rm_worka kiwi is like 3 bites for me21:27
GeneralAntillesPfff21:27
GeneralAntillesrm_work, got a Flickr account?21:27
hiemanshurm_work: fucking monster :P21:27
rm_workGeneralAntilles: nope :/ i don't think i do, at least21:27
GeneralAntillesGet one.21:28
rm_workk sec21:28
GeneralAntillesThen we can tag you in all of these pictures21:28
RST38hrm_work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cbuddha/2267949099/21:28
GeneralAntillesand generations to come can laugh and laugh.21:28
rm_workrofl RST38h21:28
Sazpaimonhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=7466321:29
Sazpaimongoddamn21:29
Sazpaimoni hate TMO21:29
rm_workah i can sign in to flickr with google21:29
hiemanshuso we are showing off pics?21:29
hiemanshurm_work: http://i.imgur.com/qDHrl.jpg thats the view outside my house at around 7-ish every day21:30
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: i think I have one but i can't remember the login info21:31
rm_workat least, rm_you is taken21:31
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rm_workand i feel like i remember signing up before now21:31
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hiemanshufor those of you who haven't been to india : https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/149259_451312467804_685872804_6075996_2752887_n.jpg <--- thats a reason to come :D21:32
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: lol, my yahoo account won't let me recover my password until tomorrow21:33
RST38hNice. But too hot, too humid, too many people =)21:33
GeneralAntillesrm_work, I feel like we've discussed this before, too.21:34
rm_workpossibly21:34
RST38haha, tmo has now officially degenerated to the *chan status21:34
rm_worklol21:34
rm_worki should just start Maemo-Chan21:34
hiemanshuRST38h: well no, thats a beach, about 500 kms from where I stay, barely any people there, room rents are about $5 a night21:34
piggzhas anyone selected for an n950 not yeat heard back grom launchpad/got an update on  progress?21:35
RST38hTwo first items stay though =)21:35
rm_workpiggz: pretty much everyone is still waiting21:35
GeneralAntillesThis is why everyone should come to Florida: http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/charlotte/22796d1215481567-nother-name-insect-alligator_snake2.jpg21:35
rm_worka few *random* people got in21:35
hiemanshupiggz: I know alterego hasn't heard back from launchpad yet21:35
rm_workGeneralAntilles: wtf am i looking at, rofl21:36
piggzcool..not jsut me, was getting worried :)21:36
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RST38hGeneral: Darwin approves!21:36
rm_workis that an alligtor that got eaten by a snake and then broke open the snake?21:36
GeneralAntillesrm_work, python tried to eat a gator in the Everglades.21:36
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: I have a reason to come to florida already21:36
timelessGeneralAntilles: was there a conclusion?21:37
GeneralAntillesand if that's not your speed, how about this? http://rvtreks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/North-Beach-at-Fort-Desoto-1024x768.jpg21:37
ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-fends-off-Microsoft-and-Apple-attacks/21:37
GeneralAntillestimeless, to the snake eating a gator?21:37
timelessyeah21:37
GeneralAntilleshttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html21:38
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: well tell the US gov to not disapprove my visa again21:38
GeneralAntilleshiemanshu, I'm in favor of open borders, personally.21:38
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: tried once for a FUDCon in Arizona (sponsored by fedora), and well the fucking embass denied my visa :(21:38
hiemanshuembassy*21:39
RST38hOk, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eqDbXWnIUKA/RS6n3Z8aABI/AAAAAAAAADo/pzqv8y0JcUE/s576/CIMG1523.JPG21:39
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hiemanshuRST38h: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/37847_416748857804_685872804_5312135_3770207_n.jpg21:40
ruskieI guess if M$ can't win with wp7 it'll go for patent war21:40
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* GeneralAntilles would rather have the US collecting all of the the useful people it can and not sending them away. :P21:40
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hiemanshuhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/39698_416749017804_685872804_5312152_3923519_n.jpg21:40
RST38hhiemanshu: Yea, that is how it looks here, just replace water with snow.21:40
hiemanshuRST38h: hah21:41
hiemanshuRST38h: well its water here21:41
* hiemanshu is far away from water though21:41
timelessGeneralAntilles: so they both lost..21:41
RST38hAlso, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vVFSz8V6ras/RS6pKMDrABI/AAAAAAAAAGY/9A2KA0WEHLk/s576/CIMG2068.JPG (last one wasw winter night, this one is summer evening)21:41
hiemanshuRST38h: too much light21:42
timelesshiemanshu: fwiw, s/disapprove/refuse|deny/21:42
RST38hThat is how much was there21:42
GeneralAntillestimeless, yep.21:42
hiemanshutimeless: well yeah :)21:42
timelessruskie: if you had a product which was built around patents, and you offered to license the product or its patents21:43
timeless... and someone shipped a competing product which infringed on your patents21:43
timeless... what would you do?21:43
timeless... clearly the patents are valuable. hopefully the patents were expensive to develop.21:43
ruskieare you considering in the current system or in a sane system?21:43
timeless... the reason patents exist is to give their inventor a head start for disclosing the innovation21:43
ruskiein the current system... I wouldn't even have a product21:44
timelessruskie: the current system.21:44
timelessthe current system is only partially insane21:44
RST38hThe reason patents exist is to make money!21:44
timelessmostly the timeline is off by a couple of orders of magnitude21:44
derfI thought it was to prevent people from making money.21:44
hiemanshuRST38h: same goes for NDAs21:45
RST38hBy changing the current system, you will destroy the whole business ecosystem of companies living off patents!21:45
derfAlso, acquiring patents, particularly software patents, is not expensive.21:45
timelessthe reason patents exist is to encourage inventors to disclose and share innovations21:45
derfThat's the theoretical reason. In practice, the opposite happens.21:45
timelessthe problem is that in software, a patent should really only last 2-3 years21:45
ruskietimeless, I'd rather have no patents and have people hide things21:45
timelessunfortuantely, they last upwards of 2021:45
RST38hJust think of how many children will go hungry once their lawyer dads stop bringin in the dow21:45
ruskiethat way atleast people could reimplement thoeir own way21:45
timelessRST38h: s/dow/dough/21:45
RST38hYea, sorry21:46
GeneralAntillesderf, that's a function of the timeline as timeless says, though.21:46
GeneralAntillesand a function of the USPO being retarded21:46
derfRST38h: Thing how many children will be fed because their dads didn't have to pay a lawyer.21:46
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GeneralAntillesBut that's an inherent property of government.21:46
derfGeneralAntilles: What's a function of the timeline?21:46
timelessthe same applies to copyright21:46
timelessthe idea isn't bad21:46
RST38hBTW, absolutely the same argument works when arguing against federally funded health care21:46
GeneralAntillesderf, the particular brokeness.21:46
timelessit's that the timeline has been skewed/stretched way too far21:46
derfGeneralAntilles: Not really, no.21:46
RST38hderf: Those are not successful people, they have something to hide and prove, if they hire lawyers21:46
RST38hderf: So, by the laws of social darwinism we shall let 'emstarve21:47
derfa) patents are written to obscure as much as possible, and the people trying to do that are better at it than any regulator trying to stop them21:47
derfb) engineers are told not to look at patents for liability reasons21:47
derfc) even when patents expire, engineers still don't look at them because of a)21:47
timelessderf: with a collapsed timeline, i don't think b would be a significant problem21:48
* RST38h extrapolates 20-30 years into the future, yawns, gets some popcorn21:48
derftimeless: See c)21:48
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timelessderf: ideally a is solvable21:48
derfBullshit.21:48
timelessbut yes, it involves adjusting the patent grant process21:49
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timeless*ideally*21:49
derfThis has been attempted before.21:49
GeneralAntilles'course, if politics are involved it's always going to degenerate to shit.21:49
GeneralAntillesSee: Our Current System21:49
ruskiea patent on a physical product that the person/company produces... 20 years sure... patents for non-producers... duration 5 years... sw patents... 2 years21:49
derfThe FTC has been trying for _decades_.21:49
derfThe applicants can adapt much, much more quickly than the beauracracy.21:49
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derfHow about sw patents: never.21:49
derfIt takes more than 2 years just to process the application.21:50
ruskieagreed but atm you need to fix the system that is in place21:50
timelessderf: if the span of a patent is sufficiently short21:50
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timelessthen you won't invest the money in adapting to defeat the other portions21:50
ruskieonce something is granted/forbidden it's much harder to change21:50
timelesshence the timeline is an important factor21:50
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derfDon't get me wrong. I'd love to see a shorter timeline.21:50
derfBut it will not solve all the problems.21:50
RST38hGentlemen, I am reluctant to play Cpt Obvious here (again), but as none of you are capable of CHANGING the US patent law, it makes no sense to argue about it21:51
timelessoh, it won't solve everything21:51
timelessbut it could lead things in a much better direction21:51
RST38hInstead, I suggest we argue about what the current situation will lead to in a few years.21:51
timelessRST38h: technically i'm a citizen21:51
timelessas is GeneralAntilles21:51
RST38htimeless: Hey I am also a citizen. What does it change?21:51
timelessiirc derf is a UK citizen21:51
derfRST38h: Right, I'll remember that the next time I'm at an FTC workshop on patents. I'll just not argue with them because I can't change anything.21:51
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derftimeless: No, I'm not.21:52
RST38hderf: If you argue with them, will it change anythign?21:52
ruskieRST38h, you never know if you don't know21:52
derfRST38h: Well, I was certainly the only one there expressing our point of view.21:52
ruskieerm don't try21:52
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timelessderf: how often have you been to patent workshops?21:52
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derfLast one was two weeks ago?21:52
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RST38hderf: Probably means the others got tired of that a long while ago =(21:53
GeneralAntillesWell, if you don't try you never will change anything. :P21:53
timelesshttp://www.natlawreview.com/article/ftc-hosts-workshop-preventing-patent-hold-ups-standard-setting ?21:53
derftimeless: Yes, that one.21:53
RST38hand if you do try, you will just be left with the sore throat and the feeling of lost time.21:53
derfSee also http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/56718.html and the associated comments we submitted, most of which I wrote.21:53
SpeedEvilI think I read that earlier21:54
SpeedEvilDEpressing.21:55
RST38hGeneral: On the other hand though, it is quite possible that Google will be able to affect the situation21:55
RST38hGeneral: Given the amount of money they have and the rate at which they hire lobbyists21:55
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derfSpeedEvil: Every example in there, even when not tied to specific events, was based on real experiences trying to get stuff standardized.21:55
derfRST38h: Google was invited to that workshop. They declined to attend.21:57
sid__anyone knows a good documentation for booting maemo from mmc?21:57
sid__*does21:57
derfI also particularly enjoyed how everyone on the panel tried to pretend that standards are set by engineers without worrying about patents at all, and then the lawyers figure out the licensing later.21:57
ruskiederf, I thought that's what cisco wants21:58
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derfAt least until I explained to FTC people that no, people really really do consider alternatives and try to invent around.21:58
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derfruskie: I cited an example of Cisco themselves publishing information on how to use old, established algorithms instead of patented techniques for ECC.21:59
SpeedEvilderf: It's barking mad.21:59
derfruskie: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc609021:59
ruskiesno it's ok for cisco to push their own patents into standards but not for others to do so?22:00
SpeedEvilLegislators often have a hideously poor understanding of the area they're regulating.22:00
derfWell, Cisco is a big company, but yes. That is my understanding of how the system works.22:00
derfMy patents == good. Your patents == bad.22:01
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, thus why I can't even begin to fathom why people keep voting them more power.22:01
GeneralAntillesLike they're some sort of wizened elders.22:01
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SpeedEvilThis has lead in the case of the UK for example in one trivial area to 'the solar industry' - monkeys that install panels on roofs - driving regulation22:03
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SpeedEvilMeaning panels not installed by said monkeys - even if 1/4 of the price - can never pay off.22:03
rm_worki hope you mean literal monkeys22:03
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SpeedEvilPretty much, in some cases.22:04
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GeneralAntillesYes, so stop voting these people more power.22:05
GeneralAntillesWhy does anybody want them in charge of your health care?22:05
rm_workI've yet to find a candidate i actually WANT to vote for22:06
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RST38hderf:How interesting (about Google declining)22:06
rm_workthe last election i was trying to vote for whoever i thought would cause the least damage22:06
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RST38hGeneral: Is there some alternative group of people you would vote into power?22:06
ruskierm_work, in such cases I prefer to just invalidate my vote22:06
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RST38hGeneral: And if this group does come to power, by whatever means, how do you make sure they do not repeat what the last group has done?22:07
rm_workruskie: yeah but at least i TRIED22:07
GeneralAntillesRST38h, not particularly.22:07
GeneralAntillesBut Ron Paul has some appeal.22:07
RST38hGeneral: Yea, right... =(22:07
GeneralAntillesIf he'd stop ranting about the Fed at every opportunity.22:07
derfRST38h: I hear they've hired 12 lobbying firms now that the FTC is investigating them.22:07
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derfSo maybe that will change!22:08
GeneralAntillesThe two-party system makes real change nearly impossible.22:08
RST38hderf: Yeah, seen that in the news a while ago22:08
rm_workyeah22:08
GeneralAntillesBut if everybody weren't always so dumb as to be in favor of more stupidity.22:08
GeneralAntillesThey wouldn't be able to keep it up.22:08
RST38hGeneral: Well, this is how complex systems work22:08
rm_workthe Tea Party scares me but i'm hoping if we can weather through one term of them in office, it'd break it open for other alternative parties...22:08
GeneralAntillesrm_work, the Tea Party is mostly not that scary.22:09
RST38hGeneral: If you had a many-party system, there would be complete lack of stability and comprehensive course22:09
GeneralAntillesBut the media is pretty frightened of what they stand for.22:09
GeneralAntillesSo makes them out to be as scary as possible.22:09
RST38hGeneral: With the two-party system you get stability but also mediocrity22:09
ruskieRST38h, hahahaha22:09
ruskiegood joke22:09
GeneralAntillesNotice that the protests in Greece are always described as "peaceful".22:09
valdynGeneralAntilles: are they?22:09
GeneralAntillesand Tea Party protests are "violent".22:09
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, the Greek protests?22:10
rm_worklol are they? :P22:10
GeneralAntillesJudge for yourself: http://www.google.com/search?oe=utf8&q=greece+protests&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1239&bih=90122:10
RST38hGeneral: Notice how whatever is happening in Kosovo is almost never described at all, for example22:10
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GeneralAntillesHaven't been any firebombs at Tea Party-sponsored gathering as far as I'm aware.22:10
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rm_worki don't know if what i've heard is via "the media" or not, but just the candidates i've seen are freakishly conservative22:10
valdynGeneralAntilles: i mean, are they described as peaceful? That is not the case here22:10
RST38hGeneral: And there are more examples like that. The employer tells these journos what to say and how to say it22:11
rm_workand i mean socially conservative, not fiscally22:11
GeneralAntillesrm_work, well, there are a lot of candidates trying to ride the rise of the movement.22:11
GeneralAntillesWho are crazy as all get out.22:11
GeneralAntillesYeah, the socon shit has got to end.22:11
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ruskieRST38h, what does Kosovo has with any of this?22:11
ruskieas a new nation they have their starting problems...22:11
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hiemanshuso does the N950 have 1G actual RAM or is it actual RAM + swap?22:11
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, see: http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/05/give-peace-a-chance22:12
RST38hruskie: A random example of a topic whose coverage in the US is restricted22:12
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timelessGeneralAntilles: that's because no one hates the tea party enough to send them22:12
RST38hruskie: There are more like that of course22:12
timelessthat doesn't mean a tea party member might not send a firebomb to someone else...22:12
ruskieRST38h, well does it really have any meaning to report about stuff from europe or asia in the US?22:12
RST38hruskie: I do not know, you tell me: you seem to have an opinion on the subject22:12
ruskiefrankly I don't expact to see news about the US or asia in europe22:12
valdynGeneralAntilles: labeling the protests in greece as left is silly22:12
GeneralAntilleshiemanshu, actual RAM.22:12
rm_workhalf the candidates seem to be like "I want to ban gay marriage once and for all and overturn Roe vs. Wade"22:13
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GeneralAntillesvaldyn, protesting against austerity cuts?22:13
derfhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/mailbag-why-i-cant-vote-for-ron-paul-2011050222:13
hiemanshuGeneralAntilles: the RDA devices have 512 right?22:13
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, I agree that "left" and "right" are pretty meaningless.22:13
GeneralAntilleshiemanshu, no idea.22:13
hiemanshuokay22:13
derfI paste that link particularly for the comments in it about Rand Paul, not Ron Paul.22:13
RST38hHehe, finally, a link to Matt's blog :)22:13
holmesIIonce i compiled the code in SCBOX, and i can get one binary code and .o file, how do i run in my N900?22:14
holmesIIi can run the binary file in xephyr. but how do i run it in my N900?22:14
MohammadAGRDA has 5 devices22:14
MohammadAGhow do you run it in xephyr? it's a plugin22:15
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, I think the Greek protests are a pretty strong signal that socialist policies in Europe aren't working.22:15
valdynGeneralAntilles: no22:15
MohammadAGand should be .so22:15
holmesIIMohammadAG, i just create a helloworld project in SCBox, and I can compile and run it in xephyr, however, when i copy the folder into my N900. how do i run it?22:15
MohammadAGsame way22:15
ruskieRST38h, basically the main thing with Kosovo is their argmuntes with Serbia... and apparently they reached a few agreements about it recently22:15
valdynGeneralAntilles: greece is broke because any government in greece in the last 40 years spent to much money22:15
holmesIIi just open the xephyr, and run the project in SCBox, and it's shown helloworld22:16
valdynGeneralAntilles: nothing left or right about that22:16
ruskieand frankly that gets boring pretty fast22:16
MohammadAGcompile for armel22:16
MohammadAGsb-menu -> select armel22:16
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valdynGeneralAntilles: and extrapolating anything from greece to "europe" makes no sense22:16
ruskiethe agreements they got together were about border crossing using only id cards and recognizing education from each other22:16
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, generally excessive government spending is an attribute of the left.22:16
ruskierather *yawnable* things22:16
RST38hNo, ruskie, I am afraid it is *not* the main thing with Kosovo ...22:16
GeneralAntillesExcepting the past decade or so of the shift to the NEW right (neocons).22:17
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valdynGeneralAntilles: so the u.s.a. is left because it has the highest per capita debt ( japan exempt ) ?22:17
RST38hruskie: And the actual main thing is far from boring22:17
ruskiedo elaborate22:17
holmesIIyes, i can get a .so file.22:18
ruskieI must admit that I don't follow the news very carefully22:18
RST38hruskie: Going too far off topic here22:18
holmesIIand then ?22:18
ruskiefeel free to PM22:18
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, most of the US spending is on income redistribution.22:18
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GeneralAntillesvaldyn, these are generally programs the left likes to push.22:18
valdynGeneralAntilles: not in europe22:18
GeneralAntillesEurope is a messed up place.22:19
ruskieit is?22:19
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GeneralAntillesI fear left/right are stumbling blocks here.22:19
GeneralAntillesruskie, for my own taste, yes.22:19
valdynGeneralAntilles: europe has left reducing "redistribution" and "right" doing the reverse, and vice vera22:19
valdynGeneralAntilles: its not that simple22:19
valdyn( i like redistribution )22:20
GeneralAntillesEurope's "left" and "right" are the US's "far-left" and "left"22:20
GeneralAntillesIncome redistribution is evil shit.22:20
GeneralAntillesEspecially when it's conducted at gun point.22:20
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GeneralAntillesWhat you want is not more income redistribution, it's fewer barriers to entry into the market.22:20
valdynno, i want income redistribution22:21
valdynand i happily pay my taxes22:21
holmesIIi got it running !!!!22:21
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, what I'm saying is that your basic world view is flawed.22:21
GeneralAntillesIncome redistribution doesn't lead to anything productive.22:22
GeneralAntillesIf you want all of your money to go to other people, then send it.22:22
valdynGeneralAntilles: i think of my country as one of the most productive in the world, with one of highest redistribution rates of the world22:22
GeneralAntillesBut don't make everybody else do so at gun point.22:22
valdynGeneralAntilles: and i like it that way22:22
GeneralAntilles'course you do, it's emotionally satisfying22:23
GeneralAntillesWarm and fuzzy22:23
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GeneralAntillesdoesn't mean it's ethical or a good choice.22:23
derfGeneralAntilles: Excessive government spending is generally an attribute of those in power, left or right.22:23
GeneralAntillesderf, I agree.22:24
derfIn fact the left has had a somewhat better record than the right in recent decades.22:24
GeneralAntillesI got trapped by left/right at the start of the discussion.22:24
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derfClinton actually balanced his budget.22:24
derfNo other administration since the 80's has done so.22:24
GeneralAntillesClinton had an economic boom to help him out.22:24
derfYes, that certainly helped.22:24
GeneralAntillesBush oversaw a huge increase in the size of government22:24
derfAlso, not starting lots of long-term foreign wars helped.22:24
rm_workdid he have less or just about the same amount of overseas wars going on22:24
GeneralAntillesand Obama is on his way to an even bigger one.22:24
derf(whatever you think about Kosovo, etc., at least it was short)22:25
RST38hderf: Basically, bombing is ok, especially using cheap drones22:25
RST38hderf: Placing people on the ground is stupid, unless you really want to colonize the place =)22:26
derfRST38h: Tell that to the civilians in Libiya, Yemen, Pakistan, ...22:26
derf*Libya22:26
derfI also maintain that these things are still not cheap.22:26
RST38hderf: You now better than me that nobody cares about little brown people22:27
RST38hderf: When there is a military budget to divide =)22:27
derfI wish we didn't!22:27
derfThen we wouldn't spend so much money trying to kill them.22:27
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GeneralAntillesI still don't get Obama's logic in going into Libya.22:28
GeneralAntillesSetting aside his campaign-trail rhetoric.22:28
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GeneralAntillesStill doesn't make a lot of sense.22:28
RST38hGeneral: Ah, it is pretty simple if you take a few things into account22:29
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RST38hGeneral: There is a country whose leader US establishment absolutely hates but who is sitting on a lot of oil and can't be overthrown22:30
RST38hGeneral: Then SUDDENLY there are people in Lybia fighting against him22:30
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GeneralAntillesIt'd be a helluva lot cheaper just to drill in the US. . . .22:30
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valdynthis is more likely due to the usa not wanting france to have to much influence over that region22:30
RST38hGeneral: The really high level US people do not care to conduct a real analysis of who these people are, how string, etc22:30
RST38hstrong22:30
GeneralAntillesApparently the CIA has been pouring a lot of money into starting these recent "Arab Dawn" uprisings.22:31
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GeneralAntillesvaldyn, why the hell would we care about France having influence in North Africa?22:31
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jacekowskiGeneralAntilles: did they pour money into uprising in span or greece as well?22:31
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jacekowskispain*22:31
RST38hGeneral: They see that all around Lybia the revolutions are successful, so they think"Ok, we help these Lybian chums just a little bit and they deliver us the head of their extremeleader"22:31
GeneralAntillesjacekowski, not from the story I was reading.22:31
* GeneralAntilles tries to find the link.22:31
RST38hGeneral: Enter military deployment, drones, budgets, etc22:32
GeneralAntillesGoogle is, of course, useless.22:32
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RST38hGeneral: Then SUDDENLY they look closely and see that they are dealing with a bunch of tribal bandits not having great success against the tyrant22:33
valdynGeneralAntilles: because theres huge business, just like after any war22:33
GeneralAntillesvaldyn, mmm, if you say so.22:33
RST38hGeneral: So, tell me, what an average US policy maker to do in this case?22:33
derfClearly the answer is not ask for war authorization and continue to conduct the war anyway using insane legal "theories".22:34
GeneralAntillesHehehe22:35
derfThe problem with statues like the War Powers act is there's no credible enforcement mechanism, "Okay, so you broke the law. Now we can... tell you to stop?"22:36
derf*statutes22:37
GeneralAntillesLimited Government22:37
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holmesIIis there any battery information logger source code?22:38
RST38hGeneral: ...won't help here22:38
jacekowskiholmesII: probably yes22:39
jacekowskiholmesII: there are few loggers22:39
holmesIIplease!22:39
RST38hGeneral: Because there is a system of huge militry contractors, the career military personnel looking for advancement, the politicians who would like to look "strong on international policy", etc22:39
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jacekowskiholmesII: and so you have to check on maemo.org the one you're using22:40
GeneralAntillesRST38h, hey, I'm trying to keep my cynicism under control. :P22:40
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RST38hGeneral: You can either kill 'em all off and end up in anarchy, or keep them and watch this daily circus22:40
GeneralAntillesWhy isn't somebody is Mountain View working on these N950s?22:41
GeneralAntillesI mean, don't they want to get them to their application developers ASAP?22:41
RST38htheir definition of asap might be different from yours =)22:42
GeneralAntilles"Two to three weeks"22:42
* GeneralAntilles waits patiently for his decoder ring.22:42
MohammadAGholmesII, dude, I already pointed you to a source22:42
piggzGeneralAntilles: at least in that case it wont arrive while im away next week!22:42
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npmGeneralAntilles: Re: N950's -- have you heard back regarding developer launchpad application?22:43
GeneralAntillesJaffa, ping?22:43
GeneralAntillesAny idea what's drawing the DEVELOPER EDITION on the statusbar?22:43
holmesIIim in meamo.org->development now, and searched battery logger. got nothing so far. but i am keep on trying it.22:43
GeneralAntillesnpm, approved for LaunchPad today22:43
GeneralAntillesNo device so far.22:43
npmoh... so do they send mail?22:44
GeneralAntillesEmail when the N950 gets up on DDP22:44
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piggzhopefully i will getlanuchpad approved tomorrow then22:45
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Noobmonk3yJaffa, how bigs the hdd on the n950, 16gb?22:47
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, already answered22:47
Noobmonk3ylol22:47
MohammadAGit's called an eMMC22:47
MohammadAGnot HDD...22:48
Noobmonk3ythankeeeeeeeeees22:48
Noobmonk3ymeh22:48
GeneralAntilles16GB22:48
Noobmonk3yThanks Gen22:48
piggzalso, its 'how big is...' 'how bigs' doesnt even make sense ;)22:49
MohammadAGlibhal-dev libprofile-dev libhildon1-dev libhildondesktop1-dev libhildonnotify-dev libdbus-1-dev22:49
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MohammadAGholmesII, you need those installed ^22:49
Noobmonk3ypiggz... don't try to figure out what i mean, even i don't know.........22:49
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Noobmonk3ybut realistically, i just can't type.......22:49
piggz:)22:50
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xkr47has anybody tried gphoto2 with usb host mode?22:50
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xkr47I would like to use my external camera for sending pics by email22:50
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, I corrected your wiki page :P22:50
MohammadAGlots of 's and s mistakes22:50
Noobmonk3ydRN... I'M GONNA NEED A NEW F5 KEY SOON22:50
MohammadAGand I'd suggest using passive in the wiki22:50
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  all of it? you pressed delete?!22:50
MohammadAGI or we doesn't work there22:50
xkr47i.e. I guess the question is, does n900 usb host mode support libusb22:50
xkr47 ?22:50
Noobmonk3yOh damn, now you are a grammar taecher lol22:51
Noobmonk3yteacher*22:51
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, grammar nazi22:51
holmesIIinstalled in N900 or where?22:51
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Noobmonk3y^^22:51
RST38hWhat is it about the F5 key?22:51
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  do you replace f5 keys too?22:51
hiemanshuNoobmonk3y: join the no F5 key club22:51
Noobmonk3ylol technically i think logging in / out is better then f5 in this case for some odd reason :P22:52
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, I just took it out22:52
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Noobmonk3yalmost time for the pub :) yay ... no more f5'nessnessness22:52
Noobmonk3ylol Mo22:52
hiemanshuNoobmonk3y: also, use ctrl + r instead :P22:52
Noobmonk3yhehehe22:52
Noobmonk3yi'm pretty near the bottom of that list, but someone right at the bottom has his ordered an on it's way :( Pooooooooo!22:52
hiemanshuNoobmonk3y: I am hoping to have mine tomorrow :D22:53
Noobmonk3yhiemanshu, been ordered?22:53
hiemanshuNoobmonk3y: nope, email :P22:53
hiemanshuNoobmonk3y: because I got my LP yest afternoon22:53
Noobmonk3yahhh well when ordered, you will be able to track ;)22:53
Noobmonk3yi got mine yesterday too22:54
Noobmonk3yno email yet :( - and no device appearing :(22:54
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holmesIIi am now using the VMWARE for scbox22:55
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  yours on it's way yet? (Or already had it for a while? ;) )22:56
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timelessGeneralAntilles: have you seen http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/07/wmlp-bingo.html22:57
GeneralAntillestimeless, "Teabagger" eh.22:58
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Noobmonk3ynight night :) - pub!22:58
RST38hGeneral: Also see http://www.leftycartoons.com/the-24-types-of-libertarian/22:58
timelesshttp://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger22:59
timelessnot my fault they're idiots :)22:59
GeneralAntillestimeless, mmmm22:59
GeneralAntillesI know a lot of people who would label themselves "Tea Party". They're far from idiots. :)22:59
GeneralAntillesLet's avoid the personal attacks, eh?23:00
RST38hGeneral: and, to finish it off: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/Peter-Fenn/2011/02/02/tea-party-funding-koch-brothers-emerge-from-anonymity23:00
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GeneralAntillesOh god23:00
GeneralAntillesKoch insanity.23:01
RST38hIdiots they may not be, but sellouts they definitely are...23:01
GeneralAntillesIt's worse than Beck's idiocy with Soros.23:01
timelessGeneralAntilles: the ones who chose the name without first checking to see if it had a meaning are...23:01
timeless... idiots23:01
timelessnothing to do with others who might affiliate with its ideas23:02
timelessit's like the guys who decided to name a platform "MeeGo" without first discovering that it was in fact a failed tv show23:02
GeneralAntillesThe fact that the mainstream media can get away with using an insult like that is a bit incredible, though.23:02
timelessit wasn't used initially as an insult23:02
GeneralAntillesYes it was.23:02
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timelessand it was used by members of the party23:02
timelessdid you read theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger ?23:03
GeneralAntillesIt's been used by people who don't understand what it's a euphemism on.23:03
timelessyes, including older party members23:03
timelessonly when they realized it did they realize that it wasn't a good thing to embrace23:03
RST38hBTW, you are fighting over wording rather than the essence of what these guys are23:03
GeneralAntillesAnyway, yes, this is rather pointless.23:04
RST38hDon't like "teabaggers"? Use "grassroot libertarians" or something23:04
timelessRST38h: GeneralAntilles objected to me collectively labeling them as idiots23:04
GeneralAntillesWell, except a lot of the movement isn't actually libertarian.23:04
GeneralAntillesToo much socon bullshit for that.23:04
RST38htimeless: that was bad, bad of you!23:04
timelessmost of it is socon (wolf) masked in libertarian "sheep" clothing23:04
holmesIIthere are some packages that i can't install either in N900 or my sdk virtual machine.23:04
timelessbtw, Social Conservative or Southern Conservative? :)23:05
RST38hsame thing, no?23:05
timelessholmesII: are they arm-xx ?23:05
GeneralAntillesNot really.23:05
RST38hWell, one mostly observes lefties in the north23:05
timelessactually, that wouldn't make sense, since the n900 is arm...23:05
MohammadAGholmesII, read instructions on how to add nokia-binaries repo23:05
timelessholmesII: what packages?23:05
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MohammadAG~maemosdk23:06
infobotfrom memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation23:06
holmesIIlibprofile-dev23:06
holmesIIand i cant' install all the packages in my virtual machine image(desktop).23:06
MySpaezfew people want software freedom or political freedom23:07
timelessholmesII: MohammadAG guessed right..23:07
MySpaezMaybe 10%?23:07
RST38hFew people understand what it entails.23:07
piggztimeless: i thought a teabagger was something very different!23:08
MySpaezmore work :)23:08
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timelesspiggz: it has two interesting meanings23:08
timelessone is interesting because it's hated by the other23:08
piggzhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabag23:08
timelessand the second is interesting because it was carelessly adopted by a group which hated the former23:08
piggzor, use the free n900 urban dictionary app on ovi store23:08
timelesspiggz: yeah, that's def:123:09
timelessi was pointing to def:223:09
piggzheh23:09
timelesswhich admitteldy had a shorter shelf life23:09
MySpaezhow many N900s did nokia sell?  Couldnt they sell approx as many n950 units?23:09
timelesss/ldy/dly/23:09
infobottimeless meant: which admittedly had a shorter shelf life23:09
timelessMySpaez: they can not sell remotely close23:09
MySpaezDid many non-linux people buy the N900?23:10
MohammadAGnight23:10
MySpaezHow many of you have N900s and do not want a N950?23:11
MySpaezNite23:11
timelessMySpaez: the volumes of n900 were incredibly high for a device w/ relatively little marketing23:11
timelesshowever officially the volumes are a corporate secret23:11
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MySpaezOk23:11
timelessthe n950 is designed as a developer device23:11
timelessto be produced in incredibly small numbers23:11
timeless(at least as of the last info drop i had before leaving Nokia)23:11
MySpaezYou recipients are lucky few23:12
* timeless shrugs23:12
MySpaezWhat are you doing now timeless?23:12
MySpaezYou are the browser guy?23:12
MySpaezBrowsing made N900 famous23:13
timelessI work for RIM on Web Standards23:13
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timelessso basically I still work on browsers, but from a slightly more meta- level23:13
jacekowskitimeless: i got a company blackberry23:13
timeless:)23:13
jacekowskitimeless: and i don't understand what people like about them23:13
timelessjacekowski: which one do you have?23:13
MySpaezi am happy you are in a leadwrship position timeless23:13
jacekowskitimeless: how do i check it23:14
timelesswell, i don't know that i'd call it a leadership position23:14
timelessalthough technically my title does have 'Manager' in it ('Standards Manager')23:14
jacekowskitimeless: and way you configure email on it is braindead as well23:14
timelessjacekowski: i installed the GMail java app on mine23:14
timelessit works as well or better than it did on the N8823:15
timelesss/88/8/23:15
infobottimeless meant: it works as well or better than it did on the N823:15
timelessand since the N900 and friends don't come w/ Java, there's no comparison..23:15
jacekowskitimeless: 831023:15
timelessjacekowski: http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/which-blackberry-is-right-for-you.aspx is what google suggested to me23:15
jacekowskitimeless: my father had blackberry storm23:16
jacekowskitimeless: and i didn't like it either23:16
timelessgoogle says yours is a Curve23:16
MySpaezjava still makes me wince23:16
jacekowskiit didn't even had wifi23:16
timelessMySpaez: given the choice of having some apps that work23:16
timelessor relying on rare open source devs to try to port to a platform23:16
timelessi might seriously consider java23:17
MySpaezi see the point23:17
timelessnote that Twitter is increasing its use of Java (server side)23:17
holmesIII got the meaning. I ignored some steps in the instructions.23:17
MySpaezoh server side is fine23:17
holmesIIthank you to timeless and MohammadAG23:17
jacekowskitimeless: and email sync is only one way23:17
timelessjacekowski: only one way?23:17
MySpaezMohammedAG you are a great community contributor23:18
jacekowskitimeless: if i read email in my outlook it's not showing as read on the phone23:18
timelessjacekowski: for me it generally does23:18
jacekowskitimeless: but if i read it on the phone it shows as read in outlook23:18
timelessif it doesn't, go to mail, tap the BB button, and select..."Reconcile Now"23:18
jacekowskiit does sync emails23:18
MySpaezi use the e71 again since it lasts all day with music and podcasts23:18
jacekowskiit's just not syncing read/unread statuses23:19
timelessjacekowski: this is w/ an Exchange server backend, right?23:19
jacekowskiand it's not only mine23:19
jacekowskitimeless: yes23:19
timelessbecause i was having <read> get a bit stale, and was told that's what I needed to do23:19
timelessand it seemed to work when i tried it23:19
jacekowskitimeless: it's not only mine bb that does that23:19
timelessif it's consistently not working in your company's environment23:19
jacekowskitimeless: and i've done factory reset when i got the phone23:19
timelessthen it'd be good if you filed a ticket23:19
timelessof some sort, offhand, i'd hope it's a config error somewhere23:20
timelessbecause it definitely should work23:20
jacekowskitimeless: it works fine with N90023:20
timelessand it definitely generally works for everyone here23:20
DocScrutinizertimeless: was it you who managed mxr ?23:20
jacekowskitimeless: and everything else23:20
timelessDocScrutinizer: yeah23:20
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timelessDocScrutinizer: i need to get sp3000 to adopt it23:20
timelessi can't figure out if he's on vacation or what23:20
DocScrutinizerdo you think mxr.maemo.org could use a harmattan branch?23:20
timelessDocScrutinizer: is this mxr.maemo or mxr.meego?23:20
GeneralAntillestimeless, isn't a phone easier?23:21
timelessGeneralAntilles: isn't a phone easier for what?23:21
* timeless lost track of context23:21
DocScrutinizeris this really meego harmattan now? ;-D23:21
timelessDocScrutinizer: iirc there's an mxr.meego.com/maemo.gitorious.org/23:21
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DocScrutinizer:-o thanks23:21
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timelessif there's something else you want hosted on mxr.maemo.org, give me instructions and i'll see if i can get it on mxr.maemo.org at some point23:21
GeneralAntillestimeless, tracking down sp3000.23:21
timelessnote that it'd have to be a Sunday23:22
timelessGeneralAntilles: Nokia had an international calling plan23:22
timelesssadly, I don't have that here23:22
GeneralAntillesAh23:22
pauly_anyone want to trade their n8 for my n90023:22
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pauly_?23:22
timelesspauly_: hrm, i have an n8...23:22
timelesswhere are you23:22
timelessand why do you think you want it23:22
pauly_usa23:22
timeless(you almost certainly don't, it mostly sucks)23:23
pauly_12mp23:23
timelessyou're ok w/ the bump @back for the camera?23:23
timelessusa is kinda large, which region?23:23
pauly_idk never held one23:23
timeless(i'm in Toronto)23:23
pauly_md23:23
pauly_near dc23:23
timelessnear Rockville?23:24
* timeless plays red-line games23:24
DocScrutinizerpauly_: tldya you'll find someone23:24
pauly_what color, how many gig23:24
timelessSilver, and i can't remember, it's an alarm clock @home23:24
timelesswhatever was corporate issue @nokia ~6 months ago23:24
pauly_DocScrutinizer: thanks23:25
timelessfwiw, it has the NAm regional variant as opposed to some EU region23:25
pauly_well if its an alarm clock u wanna trade for a broken n900 instead lol23:25
pauly_i have two23:25
timelessi'd be much more interested in trading for a working n900..23:25
pauly_ya lol23:26
pauly_u say it sucks23:26
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timelessit's an alarm clock because i use a BlackBerry Torch and an n90023:26
DocScrutinizerpauly_: you say N900 sucks ;-P23:26
pauly_idk i like sinplicity23:26
pauly_lol23:26
pauly_true23:26
timeless(mostly the Torch actually)23:26
timelessat this point in time, i mostly need: Gmail, Gmaps, + Browser23:27
pauly_why dont u like n8?23:27
DocScrutinizerpauly_: timeless worked for Nokia until recently, his N8 is most probably OK23:27
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timelessand while the google maps web interfaces work, the java ones are better23:27
timelesspauly_: do you have facebook?23:27
timelesssomeone here should be able to find you a link for my n8 gallery23:27
timeless(it's in the channel logs too)23:28
pauly_thanks doc23:28
pauly_can i call u doc cause im lazy23:28
DocScrutinizerME????23:28
javispedrohey, I'm Marty McFly doc.23:29
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DocScrutinizerI'm not even really here atm23:29
javispedrotake me to the future doc!23:29
javispedrodo I look cool or what?23:29
javispedrobtw, evening.23:29
pauly_yes u23:29
pauly_ugh no but i gots twitter23:29
pauly_lol23:29
timelessnot certain23:30
timelesspauly_: i think you can probably find a summary of my n8 notes in the channel logs23:30
timelessyou can definitely get a nice view of them if you load the gallery23:30
pauly_timeless: wanna trade, i want something fresh and n8 seems fresh23:30
timelesssadly that's trapped in the Facebook walled Garden23:30
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timelesspauly_: if your n900 was working, i might consider it23:30
pauly_i barely use maemo org i only come in the irc chat23:30
timelessbut it sounds like it is23:30
pauly_it does23:30
pauly_i have two23:30
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you get a DHL number yet?23:31
pauly_im on mine now in the webchat23:31
timelessah23:31
timelesshrm... maybe23:31
timelesshow much of a hurry are you in?23:31
pauly_not really23:31
pauly_a hurry23:31
pauly_im just never sastisfied23:31
timelessi'll have family traveling up from your area sometime this summer..23:31
javispedroGeneralAntilles: nah, /me hopes tomorrow morning23:32
pauly_with any phone i have23:32
pauly_btw the proximity sensor on this isnt the best? its spotty23:33
holmesIIone question to timeless/MohammadAG, you said i need to install all those packages. I can install those in scbox, however, when i tried install those in my terminal, i can't find it. So, did i miss something there? (all those I did in the SDK dekstop virtual machine, not in N900 yet)23:33
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timelessholmesII: installing the nokia repo doesn't install everything from the repo23:34
timelessit adds another repo from which you can get the other bits23:34
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, ah, good, at least you haven't gotten one yet.23:34
javispedrowouldn't that be cool too? :D23:34
pauly_yay an n823:34
timelessdepending on what you've done, you could need to apt-get update or something23:34
holmesIIyes. i follow the instruction and add the nokia repo, i can install the packages in my scbox. but i can't get some packages in my terminal23:35
pauly_ill probleby miss my n900 but its okay ill get the n9 or something else23:35
* timeless wonders what's been announced about the n923:35
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timelessoh right, they announced it doesn't have a keyboard23:35
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pauly_timeless: im so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!23:36
timelesspauly_: this isn't a promise23:36
timelessi kinda need to think about it23:36
pauly_timeless: i know23:36
timelessbut i can probably send it down and let you play w/ it for a week or even a month23:36
timelessthankfully at this point i have 2 chances to see my folks23:36
timelesswhich means a swap can be arranged between the two meetings :)23:37
GeneralAntillestimeless, http://swipe.nokia.com23:37
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pauly_cool23:37
pauly_easier then shipping23:37
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timelesspauly_: the n8 comes w/ a mini-hdmi to hdmi adapter, but that's currently in a box in a warehouse somewhere here23:38
timelessand it's probably easier for you to grab one locally than have me include it23:38
pauly_timeless: no worries23:38
pauly_all i do is take pics surf craigslist and post pics on twitter23:39
pauly_so n8 should be nice23:39
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timelesssurfing w/ the n8 is um...23:41
timelessnot recommended23:41
timelessat least not w/ the native browser23:41
timelessYou're encouraged to try Opera Mobile/Opera Mini23:41
timelessyou might find those acceptable23:41
timelessalso, there was a promised UI refresh for the n8 (afaiu), but afaict, it never arrived23:42
pauly_isnt it "the flagship"23:42
timelessNokia and promises.... ....23:42
javispedrotimeless: you mean the anna thing? last time it was scheduled for next month23:42
pauly_isnt it coming on the anna update?23:42
timelessjavispedro: oh, it has a schedule?23:42
timelessinteresting23:43
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piggzi wonder if there will be an anna update for my ageing 5800 :D23:43
pauly_ya and a new browser?23:43
pauly_lol23:43
* timeless shrugs23:43
timelessthey were working on a new browser all of last year23:43
timelessto be the company-wide browser23:43
timelessit didn't ship before the WP7 announcement (which includes IE)23:43
trumeetimeless: you dont work for nokia anymore?23:44
timelessno idea if it's included in anna (I know nothing about anna)23:44
timelesstrumee: correct23:44
trumeetimeless: after elops fiasco?23:44
timelesstrumee: actually, my writing was on the wall earlier23:44
timelesswe lost a power struggle w/ the company-wide webkit browser in December23:44
timelessso I needed to find a new boat23:44
timelessi don't find elop's logic or reasoning bad23:45
timelessit may be unfortunate for certain teams23:45
pauly_anna23:45
timelessbut he didn't have any better choices23:45
pauly_is hottt lol23:45
trumeetimeless: nice read, http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/07/wanna-be-nokia-ceo-take-the-simple-quiz-to-see-if-youre-qualified.html23:46
timelessreally, the maemo-meego group was screwed by others between the CEO and the maemo-meego management23:46
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* timeless clicks23:47
MySpaezheh23:47
GAN900S'too bad23:47
GAN900I'm worried we wont have any reasonable options for mobile open source anytime soon.23:47
MySpaezIs N9 worse than N800?23:48
GAN900What?23:48
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GAN900Oh23:48
GAN900Um, no, after Nokia drops MeeGo.23:48
timelessMySpaez: if you require a hardware keyboard?23:48
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MySpaezI still have the stowaway23:48
* timeless doesn't know if the n9 supports bluetooth keyboards23:49
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GAN900timeless, qgil says yes.23:49
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trumeeMySpaez: i have a stowaway as well but i never liked it23:50
trumeeMySpaez: The Fn keys and keyboard layout is weird23:51
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MySpaeztrumee .. Limited alternatives23:51
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pauly_hello23:55
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MySpaezmoo23:56
timelesstrumee: interesting23:56
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piggztrumee: that quiz is hilarious23:56
pauly_timeless: your blog does not work :/23:57
timelesspauly_: ?23:58
timelesstimeless.justdave.net/blog seems to work23:58
timelessis there something linking to viper?23:58
pauly_ya23:58
timelessif it's an infobot, please fix it23:58
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pauly_its from this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Timeless23:59
timelessah, that's a wiki, please feel free to update the link23:59

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