IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-06-10

javispedrobecause every time I refresh my page, the count of people I follow is different00:00
javispedro16, 26, 22, 800:00
jacekowskidelete the account00:00
jacekowskiyou will be sure that nobody follows you00:00
javispedrolcuk: so I bet they just do not care about keeping it consistent.00:01
lcukjavispedro, sounds like load balancing servers00:02
lcukmine wibbles daily00:02
jacekowskimine doesnt00:02
jacekowskiit's consistently at 000:02
javispedrocongratulations00:04
javispedro!00:04
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mecehey00:13
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meceHello, I need some help with this c++ crap. How can I throw my qdeclarativeview as a contextproperty in itself?00:14
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pauly_hi i broke my n900s screen any way to get my data out of it???00:15
strohiboot it and ssh? x)00:17
lcukpauly_, plug in the supplied video out cable and watch on your tv00:18
jacekowskipauly_: video cable00:19
lcukhopefully your touch sensor will still work00:19
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pauly_omg yeah i forgot00:21
pauly_thank you00:21
pauly_so much00:21
pauly_i found a guy that can fix both the panel and screen and the usb for $15000:22
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jacekowskiexpensive00:34
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jacekowskiit's $70 for parts00:35
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Shorukenindeed01:01
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* javispedro needs is thirsty... needs new gadgets!!01:03
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SpeedEviljacekowski: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/14056060612001:04
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jacekowski£4 for shipping01:04
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meceVenemo, hey!01:13
Venemohey mece, what's up?01:13
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meceVenemo, could you help me with a notification thing?01:14
Venemomece, sure, what's the question?01:14
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meceI'm using your QMaemo5Notification that you posted somewhere, but I can't get that fracker to open in the same window, and not open a new one on every notification01:14
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mecesame as the app that is01:15
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Venemomece, "open in the same window"=?01:19
Venemomece, first, use the q-extas library which contains this class (updated since that time) with some more options01:20
meceVenemo, well yes. my app is always visible (unlike the thing you used it for), so when I get a notifications a new window or app or whatever you call it, pops up. I'd like it to open on top of the actual app.01:20
meceVenemo, that's the one I'm using01:20
meceor maybe not. Well regardless. I don't want to break stuff that works right now..01:21
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Venemomece, in order to make the notifications appear as one, you will need to use the setCategory method on the instances.01:22
Venemomece, you need to set the same category for them01:22
meceo--k..01:22
Venemomece, as for overlaying them over your app, you will need some more hacks01:22
meceno it's ok to just put them on top of eachoter as a new "app"01:23
meceI jsut don't want 100 windows if I leave it too long01:23
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meceor actually I want them to replace eachoter.. or something..01:24
mecewell regardless01:24
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Venemomece, thp once explained to me that the overlaying can be configured in a config file in /etc/hildon-whatever (a very bad practice by the Hildon devs). you basically need to add a few lines to that file in your postinst and remove them in your prerm01:26
Venemomece, the exact name of that file escapes me at the moment01:26
meceVenemo, ow... well that blows a tad.01:26
Venemomece, but if you simply want them to appear as one, you'll need to set the same category on them01:27
meceVenemo, but can I replace an already existing notification with a new one?01:27
meceok where, and to which object do I add the thing?01:27
Venemomece, you can call hide() on the previous one01:27
mecehow do I access it?01:27
meceor even tell if it exists?01:28
meceall I do is call QMaemo5Notification::nonExpiringInformation( ... )01:28
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Venemomece, if you want more advanced functionality, you will need a bit more coding01:28
Venemohttp://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qemaemo5notification.h01:28
VenemoQeMaemo5Notification *myNotification = new QeMaemo5Notification("Hello");01:29
Venemothen you can call01:29
Venemoif (myNotification->isVisible()) myNotification->hide();01:29
meceoo.. that looks pretty sweet :)01:30
Venemomece, as I said, QMaemo5Notification is very old code, QeMaemo5Notification is the new one and it's more functional01:30
meceI'll replace with this lib. Seems much better :)01:30
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meceok thanks. I hadn't found the code01:30
Venemomece, as I said, just download the lib and the -dev package (you can install it into MADDE)01:30
Venemomece, then all you will need is:01:31
VenemoCONFIG += link_pkgconfig01:31
VenemoPKGCONFIG += q-extras01:31
Venemoin your .pro file01:31
meceI'd rather build it inside the project, if that's possible01:31
Venemomece, why is that?01:31
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Venemoit is possible of course, but I'd advise against it01:32
meceoh nevermind :) I guess I'd need to depend on the package then01:33
Venemomece, you can add it as a maemo5-only dependency01:34
mecehm how do I install stuff into madde anyway? I've never done that I think..01:34
meceyep01:34
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Venemomad-admin xdpkg -i mypackage.deb01:34
meceerm01:34
Venemomad-admin is located right where 'mad' is01:35
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meceuhu...01:35
meceI just have no idea about that stuff. When things get weird I just pull the git to scratchbox and do it there :)01:36
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Venemomece, no worries, this is not difficult01:37
Venemomece, it _was_ difficult a year ago when I had to copy-paste the package contents into the sysroot01:37
mecehehe01:37
meceso where do I find mad-admin?01:38
Venemosame place as 'mad'01:38
Venemowhich SDK do you use?01:38
mecewhere do I find mad?01:38
meceQtSDK wheteverversionthelatestis01:38
Venemoare you on Linux?01:38
mece2.2.001:38
meceyes01:38
Venemo~/QtSDK/Maemo5/4.6.2/madbin or something like that01:39
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mecek found it :)01:40
mecethanks01:40
Venemosome time ago I gave up on that SDK, because it's a huge piece of bloatware01:41
Venemonow I just have MADDE installed from the MeeGo SDK repo, and the newest Qt Creator from the Fedora repo :)01:41
meceWell it's quite convenient application several platforms01:43
mecethere's no mad-admin here..01:44
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mecethere is dpkg tho..01:45
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meceI think this was a bit too complicated for today...01:49
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Venemothen you found the bad location01:49
Venemothere is a mad-admin executable in one of those bin directories01:50
Venemomaybe use 'find' to find it?01:50
meceok it worked \o/01:54
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mecePackage 'q-extras-dev' installed.01:54
Venemomece,  :)01:54
Venemomece, you'll need both the lib and the -dev package01:54
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Venemomece, btw, MohammadAG for one uses it the same way in his app as you said01:55
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Venemomece, and he also depends on the library :)01:55
mecenice01:56
meceah yes01:56
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mecehow do I import it?01:57
meceerm include01:57
mece#include01:57
Venemomece, http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/main.cpp01:58
mecethanks01:58
Venemoyou're welcome :)01:58
Venemoyou could check te app at http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/ -> it is very simple01:59
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GonzoTheGreatG'day everyone.07:02
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Shorukenmy n900 lives once more!08:34
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/automatic_device_driver_synthesis/09:04
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eefohey chanserv09:19
eefoare you the admin here ?09:19
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eefoi need to confirm something09:21
eefo:$09:21
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RST38hWell. Moo.09:25
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meceMohammadAG, hey Venemo said you used q-extras notification in some app, could you tell me which one so I can use it as an example?10:16
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Sceltfrals: hey mister! fmms should respect the general roaming settings? I have always allowed it but still fmms keeps asking about it and thus won't automatically fetch my mms :(12:22
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Sceltdamn, it's hot in here. des Finlandes12:27
Sceltas we say: "this is no weather for white man"12:27
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Hurrianwhee, got my patch accepted into easy-chroot12:40
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lardmanmorning12:41
Hurrianohai lardman12:41
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lardmanhi Hurrian12:42
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ryrychhello12:55
ryrychhow can I purge exif data from images?12:56
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lardmanhmm, could really do with a time & location triggered way of changing whether auto connect to the network is enabled13:40
lardmanotherwise my phone keeps pinging at me as it reconnects overnight sat on my bedside table13:40
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Jaffalardman: Yeah :-(13:58
Jaffalardman: A really good time/location framework would be very useful13:58
lardmansomething I'd be tempted to do, if I knew what the next step in the overall masterplan was13:59
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ShadowJKi think the masterplan was "always online"14:05
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lcukis there a masterplan?14:09
* lcuk has been taking notes if there was14:09
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lardmannah I meant hardware-wise14:17
lardmanwhether it's worth investing time in a platform which will move to Meego perhaps, or may all succumb to usb port failure before too long14:18
lardmanthat sort of masterplan14:18
lardmanbut yeah, it was supposed to be always on, that's fair enough, it's just that the noises are bloody annoying if your net connection drops while you're aslee14:19
lardmanp14:19
Jaffalardman: Some kind of Qt Mobility-based app with a QML UI and a powerful pluggable engine should do14:19
Jaffalardman: Or, you're on hotel free wifi which times out whilst you're asleep14:19
* lardman has no desire to use QML for things that don't need a ui14:19
lardmanJaffa: exactly14:19
lardmanI guess a daemon is the best bet, with some sort of control panel control14:19
Jaffalardman: Well, something needs to be configurable14:19
lardmanI might code something up if I get bored over the weekend14:20
Jaffalardman: Trouble with Control Panel is you end up being OS-specific14:20
Jaffalardman: But daemon, which won't drain power, would be good.14:20
Jaffalardman: e.g. configurable liblocation level so cell-tower positioning or wifi is enough14:20
lardmanyeah, but as long as the control panel applet is separate from the daemon, and you know the way to change the settings14:20
lardmanI see what you mean though14:20
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lardmandefinitely, would be a very power conscious daemon14:21
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lardmanJaffa: I'd guess that just using cell ids would be enough for most people, and if people need more accuracy one would use the cell id to trigger the gps to switch on for the accuracy14:22
lardmanwould have to maintain an offline cell tower id list though, or at least download the relevant ones when some condition is set14:22
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MohammadAGbb in 5h14:26
lardmancompletely different topic - I was standing in the bank yesterday waiting behind some chap who was trying to show some details on his iPad to the cashier, and I thought that NFC and a standard file format would be quite useful for passing document snippets between people14:26
lardmancu MohammadAG14:26
chem|stlardman: what about BT?14:28
lardmanI guess that could stand in14:28
lardmanNFC is closer though, which would mean you'd have fewer devices showing up for you to decide which to connect to14:28
chem|stand you do not have to hold the devices against each other... the same room is just enough14:28
lardmanmakes it hard to know who is who though, but yeah the same system could go ontop14:29
chem|sta blank secure connection protocol could help that14:29
lardman?14:30
chem|stand to not connect to the wrong you could gen random pins14:30
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lardmansure, but you still need to pick the right one from a list14:30
lardmanI was thinking of it "just working"14:31
chem|stBT stack got no secured connection prot you can pan and tunnel14:31
phellarvAnyone struggling to use the N900 as an USB-modem?14:31
chem|stphellarv: plugin -> use14:31
phellarvPhonet unknown PEP type :114:32
psycho_oreosumm vague?14:32
psycho_oreoswhich host OS?14:32
phellarvchem|st: Please fell free to elaborate.14:32
phellarvpsycho_oreos: Natty Narval14:33
chem|stlardman: what about qr-code implementation for something like this14:33
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lardmanyep that's a definite possibility14:33
lardmananyway was just a random thought14:33
chem|stso the program opens cam for connectiing and not a connection dialogue14:34
lardmanI'd also quite like to be able to flick documents in the right direction a la CSI wall screens and have them arrive elsewhere :)14:34
phellarvpsycho_oreos: Power-kernel v47 and CSSU14:34
psycho_oreosphellarv, that's more like a linux distribution but meh, I've never really have issues using N900 as a USB wireless broadband modem, though I get messages like that along with others appearing in dmesg all the time14:34
lardmanperhaps I should talk to lcuk about adding such a feature to liq*14:34
chem|stlardman: no, stay with it! it is a very good idea14:34
phellarvpsycho_oreos: What do you use as tethering software? Script?14:34
chem|stlardman: g-speak?14:34
lardmanchem|st: what's that?14:35
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psycho_oreosphellarv, nah networkmanager, though it may also work if I tried umtsmon as well14:35
lcukpardon lardman ?14:35
lardmanlcuk: just some random ideas :)14:35
chem|stlardman: you know the police's data terminal from minority report (movie)14:36
lardmanah yeah14:36
chem|stthat thing is real!14:36
lardmanthe flicking in the right direction is difficult though as location accuracy is too low14:36
lardmanplus we lack a compass14:36
lcuklardman, I am distracted by many things in meego atm14:36
lardmanlcuk: tbh I'm bored of trying to make things work, I'd just like to make some end-user apps work14:37
chem|stlardman: http://oblong.com/14:37
lcuklardman, yeah I know that feeling14:37
lardmanmessing about with bootloaders and kernel initramfs is rapidly losing its appeal14:37
* lcuk nods14:37
lardmanchem|st: /me looks14:38
chem|stthe guy inventing it got famous with minority report and was able to start business14:38
korhojoayay, ice-cream truck !14:38
lcukthat is why I am pushing for default simple usecases on n900-CE14:38
lcuk(I adore that new name for the meego community stuff :)14:38
lardmanchem|st: cool, I'll have a watch of the vid once I've finished messing about with these pics for a report14:38
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lardmanwith that said, the location/time scheduler is something I will have a crack at this weekend14:39
lardmanjust think of all the minutes over the year I'll save not needing to go to control panel > internet connections to switch on/off the auto connection time ;)14:40
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lcuklardman, :) good idea14:41
lcukfiferboy has experience also with making desktop widget / apps14:42
lcukso you could talk to him about the gui bit for it14:42
lcukto perhaps have an override button on desktop14:42
lcuk(if maemo related of course)14:42
lardmanGUI? nah, command line control of the daemon ;)14:42
lardmanyeah is Maemo related, or Meego, or at leasrt something portable (device and sw)14:43
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lardmanchem|st: interesting video, shame they don't say how it works14:53
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fralsScelt: doh, it just checks if its roaming or not actually, not what the user setting for it is14:54
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Sceltfrals: yeah but it should. pretty annoying to download manually all the mms14:55
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fralsyeah, didnt even think of it tbh14:55
fralssomeone at work complained about no roaming warning so i just added that14:56
Sceltyeah :)14:56
fralsbah, flight about to take off, flight mode time i guess14:56
fralso/14:56
Sceltbye14:57
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psycho_oreosany of you guys know how to check the firmware version you are running (N900) without relying on Settings > About Product ?15:35
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nid0*#000#?15:37
Venemo*#0000#15:38
nid0ah yes, missed a 015:38
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Hurrianodd, the n900 doesn't have all the starhashes of the symbian phones15:39
psycho_oreosbah apart from that :D15:39
psycho_oreostrying to find a way through the command line/console so to speak15:40
hiemanshuyeah, for exmaple no *#7370#15:40
hiemanshuwhich resets the phone15:40
hiemanshuand there were a few clock lock mods15:41
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psycho_oreosgoes back to the age old saying,`N900 is not a phone, it is a computer with phone capability added to it'15:51
mgedminpsycho_oreos, run osso-product-info in an xterm15:51
psycho_oreosmgedmin, thanks!15:52
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nok_fanneed help with nitdroid15:55
nok_fanhave the latest version of rootsh15:55
nok_fanhowever, nitdroid-installer gives a message saying this:15:56
nok_fanDepends: rootsh (>= 1.8) but 1.5 is to be installed15:56
Hurriandon't use nitdroid-installer15:57
Hurriandownload the tarball15:57
Hurrianpartition the uSD card15:57
Hurrianformat it ext415:58
Hurrian*ext315:58
Hurrianmount to /and, untar N1215:58
Hurrianinstall nitdroid-kernel15:58
Hurrianreboot15:58
nok_fanmay i pls have the link to that tarball?15:59
Hurrianhttp://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/N12_UMay.tar.bz215:59
crashanddie~rape quentin15:59
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nok_fancool i'll chk it out16:00
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Hurrianint main( int argc, const char* argv [] ) { printf( "\nNo raping on IRC!\n\n" ); }16:01
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crashanddie~nuke roman16:02
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lardmanre16:10
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lardmanhow do I share a document in Google Docs?16:20
lardmanam writing down conditions and actions for the location/time/etc daemon16:20
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KMFDMlardman, in teh top right there's a button that says share16:25
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lardmanah, thanks KMFDM16:41
lardmanand how would I allow public access?16:41
KMFDMlardman, share>sharing settings16:42
KMFDMat the top where it presumably says private16:42
KMFDMselect change16:42
KMFDMand make it public16:42
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lardmanthanks16:43
lardmanhttps://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai6d6M5t99WJdGJ4dEpLbk1YVkpheEJ2ZzQ0OGZkS0E&hl=en_GB&authkey=CNH4-KAF16:43
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lcuklardman, you are making a state table16:44
lardmanyes, basically16:45
lardmanI was thinking a state editor with boolean operators and some action that should then be performed16:45
lcukit seems large enough to become a banquet!16:45
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lcuklardman, do you intend for this to be scriptable?16:45
lardmanyes, for there to be an editor in which people can add their own combinations of states + actions16:46
lardmanalso have pluggable actions16:46
lcuklardman,16:46
lcukhave you used parental controls on windows 7?16:46
lardmannope16:47
lcukit has a nice grid that you can assign allowed/not allowed to use the computer16:47
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lcukvery simple ui but easy enough16:47
lcukbased on hours of the week16:47
lcukif you have just a few primary states you can colour in easily16:47
lcukwithout needing a mathematical formula16:48
lcukjust a mo16:48
lardmanyeah I understand16:48
lcukhttp://img.ampercent.com/post/set-up-time-limits-parental-controls.png16:48
lardmanwell you can change the ui, but the underlying structure must be based on something more fundamental16:48
lcuksimilar to other things of course, but that is the case I see yours closest to16:49
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lardmaneasy to convert that to a bunch of state + actions16:49
lardmanthe issue I do see is mutually conflicting state changes16:49
lcuknod16:50
lardmanwill have to have priorities established too16:50
lcukyeah16:51
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JaffaThere is one of these for another platform. Hmm, what is it. Maybe for Android - may be something to get inspiration from or, if nothign else, avoid16:54
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lardmansure, if anyone can think of the name that would be useful16:57
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lardmanAndroid app called "Near to there" which gives you a reminder when you get close to somewhere17:03
lardmanhttp://www.near2there.com/index.aspx17:03
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lardmanI've no desire to implement this directly, but it could work ontop of this daemon with e.g.a within X m of location then run some app to display message17:04
lardmanhttp://forums.precentral.net/hedami/217570-geostrings-location-based-reminders.html is another view, location based task reminders17:05
lardmanagain could be built ontop17:05
lardmanI'll need an api for other apps to add and remove and check the rules that are currently set in that case17:05
* lardman adds that to the list17:05
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lardmanhttp://www.appbrain.com/app/llama-location-profiles/com.kebab.Llama17:06
lardmanmight be closer to what we were originally thinking of17:07
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lardmanwiki page might be better than a spreadsheet me thinks17:08
lardmananyone got any ideas for a cool name?17:09
JaffaProximus17:10
JaffaMix of "proximity" and "tempus" - the original use cases17:10
SpeedEvilProximus Min17:10
lardmantempox ;)17:11
lardmanprobably needs an r in there17:12
lcuk:D can go roller skating in white shorts17:12
lardmantemprox17:12
lardmananyway good call Jaffa, proximus sounds good17:13
SpeedEviltempox also sounds like something that alarms once a month.17:13
lardmanI'll create a wiki page17:13
lardmanSpeedEvil: yeah, I thought it sounded sort of nasty17:13
lcukit is far from nasty, it is the time when ladies go swimming and do sports activities17:14
lcukdon't you watch the adverts?17:14
SpeedEvilWatersports too.17:14
* lcuk never understood why they could only do these things once a month17:14
Jaffalcuk: Natural law.17:15
JaffaThey could tell us, but they'd have to kill us.17:15
lcukthanks all by the way17:15
* SpeedEvil remembers the Natural Law party.17:15
lcukI now have the bodyform advert song in my head :|17:15
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Sazpaimon_fuck17:23
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Sazpaimon_i was working on a freerdp/remmina port for a while17:23
Sazpaimon_then someone else does it17:23
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Sazpaimon_oh looks like he only did freerdp17:24
Sazpaimon_remmina is still fair game17:25
lardmanhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus17:25
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ping17:32
Jaffalardman: Cool.17:32
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divanDoes debian/optify handle python modules installations?17:33
Jaffadivan: If your Python modules go into the right place, they are already in an optified volume17:35
Jaffadivan: Python makes /usr/lib/python (and a few other places) optified17:35
divanJaffa, ah, right. Thanks.17:35
Jaffadivan: You can see them by typing "mount" in X Terminal17:35
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lardmanso what do we think about implementation, I guess fork is not the thing to do in Qt? ;)17:50
lardmanQtService?17:51
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Jaffalardman: Filled in a gap in the Proximus spec - and proposed some syntax. Once you've got syntax the rest of the design can be derived :)17:57
lardmancool, /me looks now17:58
Jaffalardman: The engine's going to have to be quite smart about when push events (e.g. timers or dbus signals) might contribute to trigerring a rule18:00
Jaffalardman: It's basically an inference engine like JBoss Drools18:00
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: the BB5 RAPUYAMA "modem" in N900 however is a mature phone chip(set) used in several *phones* of Nokia18:02
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: so there's no excuse for N900 not supporting *full* functionset of those18:02
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DocScrutinizerexcept obvious things like "reset all to factory: **1570*yes#" or similar foo, as that'd need the modem controlling the APE, which is definitely sth nobody wants to have18:04
GeneralAntillesLenovo's UEFI can't actually boot GPT. What a surprise.18:05
DocScrutinizerincredible18:05
DocScrutinizerstill thinking UEFI was meant for booting GPT, and MBR/partitiontab was just a legacy extension18:06
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, in terms of software standards, maemo however is really half baked if anything18:08
DocScrutinizermaybe you have to code the msdos loader extension in UEFI yourself, in fourth18:08
GeneralAntilles'course Lenovo vehemently claims it does.18:09
GeneralAntillesThis is why I'm still primarily a consumer of Apple hardware.18:09
* GeneralAntilles is not a fan of dicking around with this shit.18:09
DocScrutinizerwhen lenovo claims it does, it should do, no?18:10
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lardman~lart TalkTalk18:16
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lardmanSo I have indeed been talking to myself, I see from checking the logs18:17
lardmanlardman> presumably one structures this like a tree, with a join at the top and each join containing two joins/conditions?18:17
lardman<lardman> anyone have any experience of this?18:17
lardman<lardman> I'm thinking a class called e.g. Boolean_item, which is subclassed by Condition, Joins, and Brackets18:17
lardman<lardman> might as well split NOT away from Joins too18:17
lardman<lardman> so each join has a root and is root for two more Boolean_items18:17
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lardmanJaffa: I see your comment in the log re push events18:22
lardmanwill there be non-push events?18:22
lardmanif a given condition receives a push event (these will probably have to be managed with condition objects registering for a notification to provide a single point of access), then it can signal its root join/Boolean object to check the state, and keep propagating the signal up as long as it is true18:24
lardmanat least that would be my first thought18:24
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Jaffalardman: Yes, for a non-push event I imagine it's triggered by another push event (e.g. a timer)18:26
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lardmantimers are reasonably easy, but location will be less so18:27
lardmanas the events we want require some analysis of the location, not just the provided push event that it has changed18:28
lardmanbut still that can be abstracted away in a location manager type object with which location events must register18:28
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edheldillardman:  proximus reminds me of profile switcher for PalmOS.18:32
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lardmanedheldil: well that is part of what we would like to achieve18:32
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lardmanbut it may as well be made very flexible, as both an interesting challenge, and to avoid lots of apps all doing the same thing18:33
lardmanneeding to do the same thing18:33
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Jaffalardman: Yeah, so the "push" event isn't raw and without processing18:43
Jaffalardman: They can be artificially generated18:44
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lardmantimer events probably could be raw, with each of the condition object just waiting to be signalled, but even then it might make sense to use a timer manager to only have the minimum of active timers required18:46
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lardmane.g. if you had a couple of timers both elapsing at the same time, would make sense to just have one and farm out the result18:47
lardmans/farm/send18:47
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* lardman thinks it would be nice to Qtcreator to provide a nice tree view of the class hierarchy18:57
lardmans/to/for18:57
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Sazpaimon_oh god18:58
Sazpaimon_this freerdp port is awful18:58
Sazpaimon_it takes over the entire desktop18:58
Sazpaimon_and there's no way to quit without pressing the power button and selecting to end the task18:59
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DocScrutinizerMUHAHA19:01
lardman1 miiiilion dollars19:01
* DocScrutinizer found canola to be the same, that's why it got binned here19:01
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DocScrutinizerlardman: +100019:02
ShadowJKit doesn't want to close from dashboard with ctrl-backspace19:02
DocScrutinizerI admit I forgot how ctl-bs is supposed to work on non-M hd19:03
DocScrutinizercanola is a stinking pile of bio-fertilizer when it comes to GUI19:04
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DocScrutinizerbtw ovi-maps isn't really so much better ;-)19:05
edheldilit's POS too, 'tis for sure19:06
ShadowJKnon-M hd?19:06
RST38h<yawn> What is new and exciting, gentlemen?19:06
* ShadowJK hasn't seen a good map app yet, but ovi is most usable so far I think..19:06
Jaffalardman: It might also be worth trying to think about not being too granular on the timers, so only 5 minute accuracy?19:07
lcukDocScrutinizer, command line sms sending, where do I dig in the wiki for thee details?19:07
DocScrutinizerlcuk: phone_control19:07
lcuk:D thanks19:07
DocScrutinizerat bottom of page19:07
DocScrutinizeryw19:08
lardmanJaffa: agreed, and same on the location stuff19:08
lardmanbbiam, /me moves to the living room + netbook19:08
RST38hShadowJK: Maep19:08
edheldillardman:  5 minutes is rather lot ...19:08
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ShadowJKThe biggest thing that makes Ovi usable is that it has good map data :P19:09
ShadowJKSygic has that too, but its crashiness and crappy search are friggin annoying.19:09
RST38hShadowJK: But you better reboot your N900 every time you use it19:09
RST38hHuge swap hog19:10
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ShadowJKwhy would I reboot..19:10
RST38hBeing a web app and all19:10
RST38hShadow: So that you have got fresh swap partition =)19:10
ShadowJKit only uses marginally more than browsing tmo :-)19:10
ShadowJKI don't need to reboot to have fresh swap partition19:11
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RST38hShadow: I no longer browse with the microb either19:11
RST38hOpera.19:11
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: modified/matan's HD19:11
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ShadowJKwell in stock install you arrive at dashboard?19:12
DocScrutinizeraah, so it's same19:12
DocScrutinizerjust you have that nice additional rotation of thumbnails *in* dashboard19:13
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lardman|homere19:13
DocScrutinizerwith MHD19:13
lardman|homethat took a while19:13
lardman|homelong walk from the study to the living room19:13
DocScrutinizerbye, will take a while19:13
MohammadAGShadowJK, Ovi has the worst map data here :p19:13
lardman|homecertainly has the worst map application19:16
lardman|homeargh, bloody unity19:16
* lardman|home tries to work out how to get rid of it19:17
lardman|homeUbuntu have signed their death warrant making this the default in 11.0419:17
RST38hlardman: GNOME3 is not that much different19:19
RST38hThe whole thing feels like regression from the normal desktop concept19:20
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lcukRST38h, aiming to make a touchable presence I believe19:22
lardman|hometouchable is good on the right platform19:23
lardman|homeany ideas what I should try to install then to get rid of Unity?19:23
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RST38hlcuk: still not sufficient explanation19:23
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lardman|homelcuk: they also need to make the applications touch friendly19:24
MohammadAGlardman|home, just flip to classic?19:24
lcuklardman|home, yes19:24
lardman|homelcuk: that is the major issue with Ubuntu on the Tab19:24
lcukthat is the connunderum most face19:24
lcukit is the same on windows19:24
lardman|homeMohammadAG: yeah, how do I do that?19:24
lcukapps designed for mouse are tricky to modify19:24
MohammadAGlardman|home, I already told you yesterday19:24
RST38hFirst of all, they need bloody touchscreens everywhere19:25
RST38hAnd I do notsee those too much19:25
lcukthey need apps designed for touchscreens19:25
MohammadAGno, we obviously need mind control19:25
lardman|homeMohammadAG: did you? I must pay more attention19:25
lcuki made you type that MohammadAG19:25
RST38hMohammad: Just need a human secretary19:25
lcuk:D19:25
MohammadAGlardman|home, you were paying attention :p19:25
lardman|homeRST38h: to operate the computer for me?19:25
MohammadAGlogout, click your name, click ubuntu classic in the bottom menu, login19:26
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lardman|homeoh that19:26
MohammadAGlcuk, you did?19:26
lardman|homeI didn't see that again19:26
RST38hlardman: for example, yes19:26
lardman|homehang on, I'll give it a go19:26
lardman|homebbiam19:26
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lcukand that.19:26
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lardman|homeMohammadAG: you're a star19:27
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MohammadAGnah, I just give advice that doesn't work for me19:28
RST38hheh19:28
* DocScrutinizer controls MohammadAG 's mind19:28
lardman|homeanyway good riddance to that Unity crap19:28
MohammadAGgnome-panels are broken, can't initialize applets here, so I either 1) reinstall Ubuntu 2) fix what's wrong (no idea) or 3) stick to unity19:28
MohammadAGI'm on 3 atm19:28
MohammadAGI like bacon19:28
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Sazpaimon_nothing wrong with liking bacon19:29
lcuklardman|home, install windows xp19:29
* lcuk hides19:29
DocScrutinizerhmm BACON19:29
lcukmmm bacon19:29
DocScrutinizero/19:29
lardman|homelcuk: I have WinXP installed on the netbook too, but I find it easier developing Linux applications on Linux... ;)19:29
RST38hFrancis Bacon?19:30
lardman|homemmmm bacon19:30
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png19:30
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MohammadAGachipa, ping19:31
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lardman|homeMohammadAG: I only upgraded because dpkg started throwing fits about repos without something or other19:33
MohammadAGlardman|home, I upgraded and that broke my applets19:34
lardman|homewell I can feel happy that it seems to be working19:34
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lardman|homean indeed even the wifi seems to work better now19:35
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DocScrutinizer51haha placebo, the best upgrade ever19:36
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lardman|homeDocScrutinizer51: indeed ;)19:37
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MohammadAGlardman|home, can you paste me the output of ls /usr/lib/gnome-panel/19:38
MohammadAGand gnome-applets19:38
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lardman|homesimon@simon-N140:~$ ls /usr/lib/gnome-panel/19:39
lardman|homeclock-applet  gnome-panel-add  notification-area-applet19:39
lardman|homefish-applet   modules          wnck-applet19:39
lardman|homesimon@simon-N140:~$ ls /usr/lib/gnome-applets/19:39
lardman|homeaccessx-status-applet  geyes_applet2       null_applet19:39
lardman|homecharpick_applet2       gweather-applet-2   stickynotes_applet19:39
lardman|homecpufreq-applet         invest-applet       trashapplet19:39
lardman|homedrivemount_applet2     multiload-applet-219:39
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RST38hAuthorities in Spain say they have arrested three members of the hacktivist collective Anonymous and seized at least one computer used in the attacks on Sony.19:59
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lardman|homeI'm sure that will take a chunk out of the DoS capabilities20:03
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Jef91Anyone know of a good set of instructions for installing debian ARM on the n900?20:12
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lardmanJaffa: I've applied for a Garage project and have started writing some code to get some ideas down20:17
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Jaffalardman: Cool20:18
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lcukJaffa, does hermes import contacts?20:19
lcukor just update them a bit?20:19
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Sc0rpiusWifi power saving mode doesn't work with dd-wrte?20:25
Sc0rpiusdd-wrt?20:25
Sc0rpiusthat sucks man20:26
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GeneralAntillesSc0rpius: worked here.20:27
GeneralAntillesDD-WRT is shit, though.20:27
GeneralAntillesSc0rpius, usually the issue is the router and not the N900.20:27
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Sc0rpiuswell I like DD-WRT since it can measure bandwidth consumption20:28
Sc0rpiusbut if there's another (OpenSource) option out there I could try it out no problem20:29
Sc0rpiusit seems DD-WRT doesn't work well with ANY Nokia with WifI  power-saving mode  enabled. If it's turned off it works alright20:29
GeneralAntillesTomato is nice20:30
GeneralAntillesTry a different version20:31
GeneralAntillesdd-wrt has no problems with power saving here.20:31
GeneralAntillesSo it's not just DD-WRT.20:31
Sc0rpiusthe N900 has a intermediate power-saving option, if I use that, it works20:32
Sc0rpiusbut I use the default power-saving mode, I lose connectivity after a few seconds20:32
Sc0rpiusbut I lose it TO the N900, not FROM the N90020:32
Sc0rpiusI mean: I ssh to the N900, it won't work unless the N900 is doing something, like a constant ping20:32
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Sc0rpiusor something else that uses the network20:33
wmarone_Sc0rpius: what router do you have (hardware)?20:33
Sc0rpiusI have a Linksys WRT54G220:34
Sc0rpiuswith DD-WRT v24-sp2 micro - build 14896 I can change that to whatever it shows mrtg-like graphics20:34
Sc0rpiusor at least let me turn on a snmpd20:34
wmarone_hmm20:34
Jef91Anyone know of a good set of instructions for installing debian ARM on the n900?20:35
Sc0rpiuswith the Linksys stock firmware it worked like a charm20:35
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Sc0rpiusJef91, there's already a package called something like Easy Debian that has wizard and everything20:35
Sc0rpiusthat you can look for it in your Application Mananager20:36
Jef91No20:36
Jef91I want to actually install it as a second OS20:36
Jef91not just run it in a chroot20:36
wmarone_Sc0rpius: if you're feeling adventurous, you could try openwrt and see if that fixes things20:36
wmarone_I know my router and n900 never worked with power saving modes, but I don't know if it was a dd-wrt or a hardware thing20:37
Sc0rpiusI wonder if that supports my router, Tomato doesn't (I just checked it)20:37
wmarone_http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt54g#info20:38
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wmarone_I think it does20:38
wmarone_hm20:39
wmarone_the WRT54G2 is not the WRT54G v2.020:39
Sc0rpiusno heh20:39
wmarone_maybe not (yet)20:39
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Sc0rpiusthe WRT54G2 is the one that looks like a cockroach and doesn't have antennas20:39
wmarone_oh, ouch20:39
wmarone_it's one with a tiny amount of flash20:40
Sc0rpiusyeah, 16 MB I think20:40
wmarone_16?20:40
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wmarone_everything I see says it's using vxworks and needs the "micro" builds of dd-wrt20:41
wmarone_which would indicate 2-4MB20:41
Sc0rpiusyeah20:41
Sc0rpiuschecking...20:41
wmarone_yeah, 2MB flash, 16MB RAM20:41
Sc0rpiusyeah that is20:42
Sc0rpius16MB of RAM and 2MB flash20:42
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Jaffalcuk: It can create them, yes20:44
Jaffalcuk: e.g. birthday only from Facebook, or full info from LinkedIn20:44
MetalGearSolid@Jef91 .. try this https://elektranox.org/n900/ (haven't tested myself :D )20:45
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, ping?21:12
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dangergrrlmy bandwidth reset21:31
dangergrrli will be listening to Rammstein in an hour! :)  but i need to kill ff to run the sdk vm21:32
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RST38hAh, ehlo dangergrrl21:33
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dangergrrloh hai21:34
dangergrrli thought i was in trouble21:34
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RST38hHmm...how do I disablepage previews in google search?21:40
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Proteousthe same way you disable instant serch, you don't21:46
Proteousyou just let your phone browser crawl along21:46
Proteousand curse google21:46
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RST38hI disabledinstant search via settings21:47
SpeedEvilLog into google - click the 'gear' to the far right of the page on the top21:48
SpeedEvilthen click search settings, - scroll down to goolge instant - and deselect it21:48
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RST38hfreaking previews are not disableablethough21:49
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SpeedEvilyes they are21:51
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: pong22:13
GeneralAntillesJaffa, want to try to push the TSG issue to the next meeting agenda?22:13
* Jaffa was thinking of mailing Imad :)22:14
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Is there a meeting schedu;ed?22:14
GeneralAntillesJaffa, no, which makes this a good time to start filling up an agenda.22:14
lcukJaffa, what was the tweet for?22:14
Jaffalcuk: fingers falling off22:14
lcuk:D:D:D22:15
lcukit is just a bit squashed but had forgotten that22:15
lcuk/ strange for me22:15
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Heh. Good plan. I'm up for it, if ppl think it's a good idea22:15
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* Jaffa 's choices of OS never ends well though, I could be the death knell for MeeGo: Acorn & RISC OS, Psion & EPOC, Nokia & Maemo...22:16
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divanDoes anyone knows why garage autobuilder replaces #!/usr/bin/python with #!//scratchbox/tools/bin/python ? And how to tell it not to replace?22:17
lizardodivan: make sure your code (including debian/rules) use python2.5 instead of just "python"22:17
Jaffadivan: Python in Scratchbox is special.22:17
lcukjaffa, you missed amiga workbench thankfully22:18
Jaffalcuk: Thankfully indeed.22:18
* lcuk admired that OS greatly22:18
lizardodivan: also see last question in http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ22:18
JaffaYou look like an Amiga user :-p22:19
lcukby the way jaffa <lcuk> liqbase liqstar liq* liqOS22:19
Jaffa^lcuk:22:19
* lcuk has gutu meditations occasionally22:19
divanlizardo, thanks a lot.22:19
GAN900Jaffa, yes, it's a good idea.22:19
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javispedrojaffa4tsg!22:21
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Jaffa:)22:21
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javispedroyou don't really have a choice, it's that or sharing a room with abill_uk for the next ten years!22:24
javispedro;P22:25
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Jaffajavispedro: Those are the exact two options?22:36
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javispedrowell, no, abill_uk may or may not be having a meego-based device with him.22:38
GeneralAntillesIt's a world of false dichotomies. Get used to it.22:39
SpeedEvilYes, abill_uk gets a new meego device.22:39
SpeedEvilBut it has 120gramms of C4 in it.22:39
DocScrutinizer51a 120++g device? :-o22:44
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Macerm.google.com stopped working with mfe23:16
Macerwtf23:16
Macer:)23:16
Macerwould be nice to have a google syncing app for maemo that worked23:16
Macersyncevolution seems to work23:17
Maceri have to run 3 apps just to sync google.. awesome23:17
KMFDMi ended up paying up for nuevasync23:18
Macerworks with google?23:18
Maceri have to use syncevolution for contacts.. erminig for calendar and imap for mail :)23:19
Macerit's kind of retarded23:19
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Maceri might be able to sync it all with syncevolution but i don't want to screw up my contacts23:20
Macerer... calendar23:20
Macersyncevolution doesn't do email anyways.. and i don't think the gmail "exchange" server works too well to begin with23:21
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