IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-06-09

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pensteris there a better device runnin maemo than n90000:02
SpeedEvilno, there isn't00:03
pensterhmmm..... if it wasnt for battery life00:03
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SpeedEvilstandby battery life for me is quite good.00:10
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cehtehSpeedEvil: well the problem is that most people want to use the device :)00:16
SpeedEvilTrue.00:16
SpeedEvilIt regrettably won't last a day if i'm out for 8 hoursish wanting it to entertain me for most of that.00:17
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SpeedEvilBattery usage with 3g active is best described by the phrase 'nom nom nom'00:17
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cehtehwhatching youtube on 3g ... i never tried but prolly your battery would last 1 hr or less00:18
SpeedEvilnaah.00:19
SpeedEvilNot less.00:19
SpeedEvilBut not very close to 2h.00:19
cehtehbut you can use the device as pizza oven :)00:22
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ShadowJKwhen I'm at 9km from base station, hspa seems to use about 700-900mA00:24
MohammadAGscrew flash, use your own player00:24
MohammadAGI use either QtMultimediaKit or mplayer, both work well00:24
ShadowJKwithin 1km indoor or 2km outdoor of same basestation, it's more like 350mA00:24
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Sometimes you can't not use flash.00:25
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SpeedEvilunless you do hte 'work out the sites protocol, and reverse engineer a client' for it thing.00:26
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MohammadAGwhat sites need flash and open fine on the N900 anyway00:28
DocScrutinizer...meanwhile: kino.to down + 13 arrested. Germany had its first IPv6 test day. Facebook enable face detection for german site00:28
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DocScrutinizerumm, youtube, MohammadAG00:32
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, use custom scripts to watch them in mplayer00:34
MohammadAGor qmltube (it's actually good for a qml app)00:34
DocScrutinizerwhy?00:34
MohammadAGbattery life00:35
DocScrutinizermhm00:35
DocScrutinizerthat might be a point00:35
MohammadAGand better quality00:35
MohammadAGyoutube plays at like 240p in the browser00:35
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DocScrutinizeryeah00:35
MohammadAGqmltube can play 360p00:36
MohammadAG(or 480p, not sure)00:36
MohammadAGbut either way, that's better than youtube.com00:36
MohammadAGI also handle videos in Sociality, with QtMultimedia (which works quite well)00:36
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DocScrutinizerI love how N900 works for this page: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=25707&mode=play00:40
DocScrutinizereven on "dsl 1mb" over UMTS00:41
DocScrutinizerwell, no flash but avi or sth, in mediaplayer00:41
DocScrutinizerthe way it *should* be00:41
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, a mozilla dev can easily help out00:43
DocScrutinizerwhile this one http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/sendung/ts27094.html kinda sucks00:44
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MohammadAGa plugin that calls some other app which plays the video would be very appreciated00:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: help out on what?00:44
MohammadAGthe way the iPhone does it00:44
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, forward the .flv or .swf link00:44
MohammadAGI have no idea about microB/firefox plugin devel00:45
hiemanshuthe way iPhone does is it to find if the site supports mp4 playback (not sure about 3gp), and if it does, it opens it up in quicktime00:47
hiemanshuYoutube is opened by the youtube app that opens it as mp400:47
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hiemanshuif there is no mp4 support, the video just wont play, which is why we have this other browser00:48
* hiemanshu can't recall the namne00:48
hiemanshuname*00:48
hiemanshuit supposedly can play flash stuff00:48
lardmanre00:48
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hiemanshuskyfire is the name00:48
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, point is, it doesn't play videos it can play in the browser00:55
hiemanshuMohammadAG: yes00:55
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* lardman dislikes the Ubunto 11.04 launcher00:59
lardmans/o/u00:59
MohammadAGUnity?00:59
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lardmanno idea, bar down the lefthand side01:00
MohammadAGthat's not just a launcher :p01:00
MohammadAGit's Unity01:00
lardmanam wondering how to get back to the old-skool stuff01:00
* hiemanshu is yet to try installing scratchbox on a fedora machine01:00
MohammadAGlogout, select Ubuntu classic in the bottom thing before entering your pass01:01
MohammadAG(and after selecting your username)01:01
hiemanshulardman: delete Ubuntu and install Fedora? :P01:01
lardmanI don't have that menu any more01:01
lardmanhiemanshu: ;)01:01
MohammadAGyou should, Ubuntu 11.04 has it01:01
MohammadAG11.10 won't01:02
hiemanshulardman: enter your username, hit enter, and it should show you the menu01:02
lardmanwell perhaps it has removed the other wms so doesn't show it?01:02
MohammadAGlardman, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xTketT17548/Tc3r18TqTDI/AAAAAAAAAIk/pqVSSnyEDcI/s1600/regular-ubuntu11.04-desktop.png01:02
MohammadAGno, there's a recovery console mode01:02
hiemanshuUbuntu is meh01:02
MohammadAGFedora is meh01:02
hiemanshuMohammadAG: :P01:03
* MohammadAG puts on flamewar hat and foam finger01:03
* lardman doesn't care, but Maemo dev is at least possible under Ubuntu01:03
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lardmanouch, foam will melt01:03
* hiemanshu just ported one his PyQt to C++01:03
MohammadAG~fedora01:03
lardmanMohammadAG: it's a hat01:04
lardman;)01:04
MohammadAGlardman, I know :p01:04
MohammadAGbut ~ubuntu is umm, nsfw01:04
MohammadAGjust thought someone had a witty "definition"01:04
lardman:D01:04
hiemanshusomeone once told me that a fedora would look nice on me01:04
MohammadAG~ubuntu01:04
infoboti guess ubuntu is caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg01:04
hiemanshuhah01:04
lardmanhmm, not sure about witty :D01:04
hiemanshuInvalid domain :P01:05
nox-hiemanshu, ubuntu is an ancient african word for `i could not configure debian'01:05
nox-:P01:05
MohammadAGdamn imageshack01:05
lardmanUbuntu is certainly better than Mandrake01:05
lardmanbut still has no clue about multi-head support01:05
hiemanshunox-: and debian is an ancient word for 'I couldn't use slackware, and rpm based stuff is too l33t for me' :P01:06
nox-:)01:06
lardmanThere are still, unfortunately, some things where Windows is light years ahead of Linux01:06
hiemanshuMandrake? didn't they change names to Mandriva?01:06
hiemanshulardman: like BSODs?01:06
lardmanhiemanshu: probably, was a long time ago01:06
wblazelardman: xorg autodetects all of my multihead setups01:07
lardmanhiemanshu: bsod, not seen one of those recently, in fact seen more oopses tbh01:07
wblazeusually even gets the monitor placement right01:07
lardmanwblaze: how many monitors and cards?01:07
wmaronewblaze: but how easy is it to reconfigure?01:07
wblazedead simple, imo01:07
lardmanwblaze: and do you have to have a separate X-server per monitor?01:07
hiemanshulardman: I haven't seen one in ages too, mostly because my windows machine is only used for gaming and media01:08
wmaronels01:08
wmaronedoh01:08
lardmanhiemanshu: I use one at work, it still has some serious usability advantages over Linux01:08
wblazeand depends on the system, 1x2, 2x4, 3x3 that i can think of off the top of my hea01:08
wblazed01:08
hiemanshulardman: I agree to that, but I am really more to used to the commandline now01:09
lardmanI have 3 monitors, 2 cards, one nVidia one ATi, have to use the deprecated Xinerama, have to set up myself01:09
wblazethe 3x3 is seperate, but i think there was a reason I did that01:09
DocScrutinizerbuntkuh, meh! http://xkcd.com/424/01:09
wblazedon't remember why, though01:09
lardmanbecause it;s really hard for them to be joined? ;)01:09
hiemanshulardman: eh, cant you just go into settings and change it?01:09
hiemanshulardman: works for me01:09
lardmanhiemanshu: nope, it is uninterested01:10
lardmanXorg.conf all the way unfortunately01:10
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hiemanshulardman: WTF, I would just go to display settings, make a change, and it has always worked01:10
lardmandisplay settings has never liked the fact I have 2 different vendors' cards01:11
lardmanan when it does play ball it screws up the res01:11
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lardmanconsidering the effort it takes to set it all up again, I'm loathe to move to something else while I want to do anything useful with the box01:12
lardmanand let's not move onto hw accel across multi-head setups, especially those with multiple vendors ;)01:12
* lardman is no Windows zealot, just likes the fact some simple things just work01:14
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GAN900Hellooo, OS X.01:22
RST38hOS X does not work for me01:22
RST38hWiFi can;t stay up for more than 5 minutes. Videos did not play out of the box.01:23
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GAN900Video doesn't play out on the box on anything.01:25
MohammadAGit does on my PS3 :p01:26
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DocScrutinizermeh01:57
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, meh indeed02:33
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DocScrutinizer51my MEH day02:34
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nox-whats up?02:39
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GeneralAntillesMeh U02:49
* nox- none the wiser02:50
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dangergrrlDocScrutinizer51: how much paracord do i need?02:57
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dangergrrlis 30meters enough02:57
dangergrrlsorry you likely do not know02:58
DocScrutinizer51what's paracord?02:58
dangergrrlultralight rope02:58
dangergrrlfor living outside02:58
dangergrrldid not thing you would answer anyhow02:59
dangergrrland i have been having bacardi 15102:59
lcukMohammadAG51, #liqbase ping02:59
dangergrrlif you were leaving to go explore europe how much rope would you bring?03:00
dangergrrlis 100 roman feet enough?03:01
dangergrrla bit over 30 meters03:01
dangergrrllcuk will you forgive me?03:02
dangergrrlno03:02
dangergrrli refrain03:02
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DocScrutinizer51damn IRC disconnects03:04
DocScrutinizer51~ping03:04
infobot~pong03:04
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dangergrrl0x8103:06
Gh0stydangergrrl: depends which part of europe :p03:07
dangergrrlhow much rope would you bring to the alps?03:07
dangergrrli am going to the american continental divide03:07
Gh0styah alps03:07
Gh0styhmm03:07
Gh0stywhat you plan to do? :p03:08
Gh0styclimbing03:08
dangergrrljust sleeping03:08
dangergrrland there is this thing i saw at REI i think i want03:08
Gh0stysomeone needs to rope you to get you to sleep? :p03:08
Gh0styor to stay away from pcs? :p03:08
ChoomLOL03:08
dangergrrlit says you can use your smartphone to sms from sat03:09
Gh0styfriend of mine was looking for paracord03:09
Gh0stybut he is the guy who is going for a hike in the woods not to be heard of for 15 days ... :)03:09
Gh0stythink thats a bit crazy :/03:09
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Choombear grylls style03:11
Gh0stynot drinking his pee though :p03:11
Gh0styat least that i know of O_o03:11
Choomwhat about enemas?03:12
Gh0stygive me a trip to NYC03:12
Gh0stynot somewhere out in the middle of nowhere :/03:12
Gh0stywent this year to sweden and finland capitals ... finland is already deserted enough for me ;p03:13
Gh0stynot much people out in spring ...03:13
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DocScrutinizer51who stole my marker lines in xchat? >:-(03:23
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DocScrutinizer51~hi03:27
infobothello, docscrutinizer5103:27
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Psiwhat pptp vpn client package is the best to install (with gui)06:10
GAN900http://blog.flickr.net/en/2011/06/08/plane-trails/06:11
DocScrutinizerwhatever06:13
DocScrutinizertrying to download mp3 from a sansa sandisk mp3-clip. Looks completely empty when mounted as mass storage under linux :-(  Any hints?06:16
Psimaybe it is partitioned06:17
DocScrutinizerthere are several dirs that all are empty06:18
Psiand not just hidden files?06:19
DocScrutinizerunplugged it now, but I recall dirs like MUSIC, RECORDINGS...06:19
DocScrutinizerumm, no, my konqueror is set up to show .files06:20
DocScrutinizerthere've been like 4 dirs, one 1.5MB file that had some binary content looking like a content listing judging by the strings I've seen...06:21
DocScrutinizermight be some iSync crap, or dunno what06:22
DocScrutinizerI'm lost on that thing06:22
DocScrutinizer:-/06:22
DocScrutinizercute little thing, even has an (empty) uSD slot, but when there's no content visible though device starts playback of a song on unplugging...06:24
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GAN900Wipe it and start over?06:30
DocScrutinizer"music->dirs->[internal storage] MTP->((lots of subdirs))06:30
DocScrutinizermeh, that's not why I borrowed it :-P06:30
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GAN900Ah06:31
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DocScrutinizerstrange shit06:33
MohammadAG51morning06:34
DocScrutinizermoaning06:34
* DocScrutinizer thinks it's cause by solar strom06:34
MohammadAG51exactly what I'm gonna do later today06:34
MohammadAG51no, more like 3 hours of sleep06:35
DocScrutinizerexactly what I'm doing right now06:35
GAN900mourning06:35
GAN900(with MeeGo)06:35
MohammadAG51I have 5 alarms set up each 2 minutes far apart in case I fall asleep06:35
DocScrutinizergot a sansa with lots of nice music on it and can't access it via USB06:35
GAN900They wont work.06:35
DocScrutinizeralarms are fubar on maemo06:36
MohammadAG51remind me to find a way to make the stop button segfault the dialog06:36
* DocScrutinizer plugs in the sansa once more06:36
GAN900I hate when it hits sleep when I'm taking it out of my pocket.06:37
MohammadAG51Sansas use Mass Storage afaik06:37
DocScrutinizerthey do, at least I get it mounted - alas the MUSIC is not there...06:37
MohammadAG51I hope my lockscreen concept drives people to make more lockscreens to "replace" maemo's06:38
DocScrutinizerAUDIBLE, AUDIOBOOKS, MUSIC, PODCASTS, RECORD - all dirs06:39
GAN900And pretty soon we'll be Android!06:39
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GAN900Who wants to start the 12 Days of Maemo 6?06:40
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, hit Ctrl+h06:40
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DocScrutinizerall empty, except RECORD, which has FM and VOICE06:41
DocScrutinizerctrl-h??06:41
GAN9001st day should be a burning platform.06:41
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: hitting ctrl-h has no reasonable meaning in konqueror06:41
DocScrutinizerthe device has no kbd to do that06:42
MohammadAG51ctrl+h shows hidden folders on nautilus06:43
DocScrutinizermine is set up to show hidden by dfault06:43
MohammadAG51"find" the shit06:45
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DocScrutinizerhttp://paste.debian.net/119276/06:51
DocScrutinizerhttp://paste.debian.net/119277/06:53
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DocScrutinizermeh, I know and already said it's my MEH day06:53
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, go to sleep07:04
DocScrutinizerMEH!07:05
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.fixya.com/support/t1742335-sandisk_2gig_no_longer_plays_mp3s07:05
MohammadAG51exactly, on such a day you won't feel productive07:05
MohammadAG51so that's what I'd do07:05
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DocScrutinizerlistening to the songs that aren't there :-S07:08
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DocScrutinizer2.1MB 4 files, 7 dirs - 392.5MB of 3.7BG free 90% full07:12
DocScrutinizerfuck that shit07:12
DocScrutinizerwondering if I should copy a .mp3 TO the piece of crap07:14
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hiemanshuflac FTW :D07:14
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MohammadAG51got an mp3 to flac converter in the sense that it finds flac versions of an mp3 song? :P07:16
hiemanshunaah07:17
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hiemanshumost of my music is AAC (iTunes) or m4a, haven't used mp3 in a while07:17
hiemanshuis there a twitter client out there?07:18
cehtehfor the n900?07:18
cehtehabout 2 dozen :)07:19
hiemanshuany good ones?07:19
cehtehwhat is twitter btw? :)07:19
MohammadAG51sure it's not 3 dozen?07:19
* cehteh doesnt use it07:19
hiemanshuMohammadAG51: where is the source to sociality?07:19
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MohammadAG51it's the one place where stalking is legal07:19
MohammadAG51hiemanshu, gitorious.org/qtbook07:19
cehtehMohammadAG51: mars :)07:19
hiemanshuMohammadAG51: I am still learning C++, well I wrote a couple of apps in C++ last night (the ones I had in PyQt already) so yeah might look at the source and fix something if I can :)07:21
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MohammadAG51don't know if anything's broken and is an easy fix :P07:21
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hiemanshuMohammadAG51: there is http://wiki.maemo.org/Sociality#Planned_.2F_Requested_Features:P07:22
MohammadAG51yeah, they're not that easy to implement07:22
DocScrutinizerincredible... :-( Going have breakfast07:22
DocScrutinizerbanging my head against some nice all on my way07:23
hiemanshuMohammadAG51: sure, but well I know a lot more C++ than I thought I knew :P07:23
DocScrutinizer:-P07:23
MohammadAG51your call, just follow the same syntax if you're going to provide patches :p07:23
MohammadAG51if (foo) instead of if(foo) etc07:24
DocScrutinizerhah07:24
hiemanshuMohammadAG51: Sure, well its going to be a learning experience after all, if nothing, I'll learn quite a bit :P07:24
MohammadAG51I learned C++/Qt through examples07:25
hiemanshuYeah, I have been through most of the examples07:25
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DocScrutinizerhahahaha, inserted a uSD, triggered "updating database" - OMFG07:26
DocScrutinizernow I think it hangs halfway07:27
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, maemo.org Qt apps, not Qt examples :p07:27
DocScrutinizerhope I nuked it now07:27
MohammadAGalso my keyboard looks brighter at one side for some reason07:27
hiemanshuMohammadAG: ah07:28
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DocScrutinizerhmmm, check brightness for the kbd(1..6)_led07:30
DocScrutinizermaybe you fried one of those?07:30
hiemanshuMohammadAG: the thing about learning is that, its easy and fun until you do simple stuff, but once you look at a real world application, you freak :P07:32
hiemanshufreak out*07:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm betting it's my eyes though07:32
MohammadAGhiemanshu, look at logs from last year, I "hated" C/C++/Qt07:32
Shorukenjust found out my n900 won't flash cause i have some cheap "charging only" usb cable. didn't know they made those07:32
DocScrutinizerhaha07:33
DocScrutinizerI'd call that broken07:33
hiemanshuMohammadAG: lol07:33
Shorukenseriously why would they make a usb cable charging only07:34
hiemanshuMohammadAG: well, until a month ago I hated C/C++, but eventually gave in because almost everything I use is mostly C++07:34
Shorukennearly threw my phone out the window07:34
hiemanshuShoruken: because its cheaper?07:34
Shorukenhiemanshu, prob right ;P07:34
Shorukenhow's QT these days?07:35
MohammadAGI hated it cause I didn't know it07:35
* DocScrutinizer trows some sandisk crap out the window07:35
MohammadAGQt is awesome07:35
hiemanshuShoruken: like you said you bought a cheap USB cable, well I'd blame you for that07:35
Shorukenhiemanshu, i bought a charger, had no idea there existed usb cables that were so cheap as to not add a few wires for data xfer07:36
hiemanshuQt sure is awesome07:36
hiemanshuShoruken: well, it could be worse :P07:36
Shorukenhiemanshu, yeah i could have thrown my phone out da window ;)07:36
Shorukenthat said I don't think i'll be installing nitdroid again07:36
hiemanshuthere is a reason they charge extra for decent stuff, It works :P07:36
hiemanshuShoruken: well, send it over to me, I have a few friends who want a N900 :P07:37
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Shorukenhiemanshu, i was seriously about to donate my n900 to someone in here like MohammadAG if i couldn't get it working :P07:37
Shorukenbut now that i discovered the root of my prob i'll keep it!07:38
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hiemanshuShoruken: MohammadAG probably has a lot of them, send it to me :P07:38
* DocScrutinizer holds fingernail to the tip of that progressbar... does it move??... oh, it moves backwards... Nah, that's my fingernail growing ;-P07:38
MohammadAGsend it to someone else, I already have 2, thanks though :P07:38
hiemanshuI could probably use another one07:38
Shorukenhow does Qt compare with .NET in noob friendliness?07:38
MohammadAGI think .NET is a bit more noob friendly07:38
hiemanshuShoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a doc, and the docs are very easy to use07:38
MohammadAGbut only a bit07:38
hiemanshus/doc/day/07:39
infobothiemanshu meant: Shoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a day, and the docs are very easy to use07:39
MohammadAGQt's docs are the best docs though07:39
hiemanshuyup07:39
* DocScrutinizer wonders if they used a 2bit processor in that thing, clocked @ 50Hz07:39
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GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG: I saw you have been busy on the bubble front07:39
MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, sort of, done the backends, Venemo's doing the frontends07:39
Shorukenthat's good, I was about to get serious on Qt learnin' and lost myself by subbing to WoW07:40
MohammadAGit's mainly a go at Nokia Bubbles in pure Qt (without any QML)07:40
Shorukeni haven't kept up with maemo stuff lately, what's the future hold for the n900?07:40
GonzoTheGreatI might as well not bother then.07:40
MohammadAGwhy?07:40
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MohammadAGit's a matter of personal choice07:41
MohammadAGsome mays like your screen, others may like the nokia bubbles clone07:41
MohammadAGhaving custom lockscreens is like having custom themes07:41
GonzoTheGreatI guess so. It is kind of duplicated effort though.07:42
MohammadAGwell, no, you plan on using QML (ala quick-widgets), we don't07:43
GonzoTheGreatStill have the qt-components (qml) for maemo on my list. This theme stuff suck though ;-)07:43
Shorukeni wish someone would make swype work on maemo07:43
GonzoTheGreatgetting all the info on margins/padding and so is laborious.07:43
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hiemanshugoogle doodle++07:44
MohammadAGShoruken, swype? no, some custom swype-like algorithm based keyboard, maybe07:45
MohammadAGeither way, I'm not the guy for algorithms07:45
Shorukeni like the way swype feels though, and i've tried another thing that was similar didn't feel as good07:45
GonzoTheGreatBack to qml lock-screen. If I go for it I will probably wrap the backend stuff from the bubbles. That should be common functionality07:46
hiemanshuShoruken: well swype isn't open source, so you would have to write most of the stuff on your own07:46
Shorukentrue, there any swype opensource alternatives?07:46
MohammadAGimho, I did the backends well this time07:46
MohammadAGI plan to add MeeGo / Maemo 6 support, the code is ready for cross platform use07:47
GonzoTheGreatI'll see when I try to make bindings ;-)07:47
Shorukengoogle doesn't show anything i can use ;(07:47
MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, basically, the UI is pure Qt, e.g you call SystemPlayer::resume(), and it resumes the default player07:48
MohammadAGon maemo 5, that's mafw, but you don't have to worry about that, the class handles it07:48
hiemanshuShoruken: there is slide it, but that isn't free either07:48
MohammadAGI love multiple closed source efforts07:49
Shorukenhiemanshu, i'm surprised no one has anythign open source on something like this at this point in time07:49
hiemanshuShoruken: well for most people swype works, and really it doesn't matter to me much if it isn't open source if it does the stuff its supposed to do07:49
hiemanshuShoruken: (I own an iPhone too :P)07:49
GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG: Have you done telepathy access yet?07:50
Shorukenthere any swype-like keyboard for iphone? i'll be owning one soon as a hand me down ;)07:50
hiemanshuShoruken: nope there are none07:50
MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, for what?07:50
Shorukenhiemanshu, you sure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS9exNHoD3M07:51
GonzoTheGreatnumber of sms, IMs,  missed calls etc07:51
Shorukenomg07:51
Shorukenit's in an app thing only07:51
Shorukencan't replace keybaoard with it07:51
MohammadAGno, sure that's provided by telepathy?07:52
hiemanshuShoruken: you type elsewhere, then copy paste :P07:52
Shorukenyeah lame07:52
GonzoTheGreatIS there anything in qtmobility?07:53
GonzoTheGreator do we have to use dbus07:53
Shorukeni broke my arm not too long ago and only had one barely functioning hand and was using some windows swype-like program for awhile... was really useful07:53
MohammadAGlook at .config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db07:55
hiemanshuShoruken: when I broke my arm quite a while ago, I had someone to type stuff for me most of the time :P07:56
Shorukeni can't believe how diligently MohammadAG and docscrutinizer have been working on maemo stuff07:56
hiemanshuShoruken: they have nothing better to do07:56
* hiemanshu runs for his life07:56
Shorukenhiemanshu, sadly my one finger typing was faster than most my family's two handed typing07:56
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Shorukeni was at 140ish wpm before i broke my arm, one handed i did 40 and my brothers could do like 30ish07:57
MohammadAGI'll probably disappear when I'm at uni07:57
hiemanshuShoruken: true, but I broke my right arm, and my left arm barely knew how to message :P07:57
MohammadAGoh and my modem appears to be broken07:58
Shorukenactually the arm breaking wasn't the big part, severing my radial nerve was the worst07:58
Shorukenhiemanshu, yeah that sucks to lose the dominant arm. luckily for me it wasn't the case07:58
ShorukenMohammadAG, you telling me you in high schooL?07:58
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hiemanshuShoruken: well yeah, thats true, its still recovering though07:58
hiemanshuisn't MohammadAG like 17?07:59
MohammadAGyeah, boring as hell07:59
Shorukenhiemanshu, yeah me too...07:59
MohammadAGhiemanshu, indeed :p07:59
hiemanshuMohammadAG: keep up the work kid :P07:59
Shorukendamn MohammadAG i thought you were some 30 year old engineer07:59
hiemanshuShoruken: naah07:59
Shorukenyour age I was playing MMORPGs nonstop07:59
hiemanshuhah07:59
hiemanshuI started learning python when I was 1708:00
SpeedEvilMohammadAG is annoyingly awesome for his age.08:00
Shorukenwell i started doing VB at 10, made a few windows forms programs and discovered Quake 3...08:00
hiemanshuI think I even broke my arm when I was 17, kept me off computers for a while08:00
Shorukenyeah MohammadAG makes me look incompetent08:00
hiemanshulol08:01
Ikarushiemanshu: unlikely to do the trick for most people here :P08:01
hiemanshuIkarus: heh08:01
ShorukenMohammadAG, if you don't mind me asking, whereabouts in the world do you live?08:01
Ikaruskeep me off computers, not since I was 1008:01
DocScrutinizerwhe I was 10 there was nothing to run VB on it :-P08:02
MohammadAGShoruken, Jerusalem, IL :P08:02
Shorukenaha08:02
hiemanshuIL?08:02
Shorukenshort for israel?08:02
MohammadAGnot Illinouis, yeah :p08:03
hiemanshuah, Israel :P08:03
MohammadAGor palestine, indifferent tbh08:03
hiemanshuheh08:03
SpeedEvilwhen i was 10, I was programming in ZX basic08:03
Shorukenisn't it difficult living there if your'e not jewish?08:04
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DocScrutinizerhah08:04
MohammadAGnah, the media makes it look bad08:04
hiemanshuWhen I was 10, I was eating mud, and watching cartoons08:04
hiemanshu</joking>08:04
DocScrutinizerthere's been no ZX basic either08:04
MohammadAGbrb, shower then exam08:04
hiemanshuMohammadAG: all the best for that08:04
Shorukeni don't even know what zx basic is08:04
DocScrutinizerlol08:05
hiemanshuWell when I was 10, I knew how to format Windows machine, fix most of their issues, and knew quite a bit of Basic08:05
DocScrutinizer~wiki zx8108:05
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zx81 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | name = Sinclair ZX81 | image = | caption = | developer = Sinclair Research | manufacturer = Timex Corporation | type = Home computer | generation = | releasedate = {{Start date|df=yes|1981|03|05}}Crisp (6-3-1981) | lifespan = | price = £49.95 kit, £69.95 assembled (in 1981) (equivalent to £{{formatnum:{{inflation|UK|49.95|1981|r=0}}}} – ...08:05
Shorukenyeah there's a ton of these old weird computers with weird names before i knew what anything was08:06
DocScrutinizerthere's a lot of old farts like me that were waiting to those weird computers to get to know me08:06
SpeedEvilIt was one of the first generation of home microcomputers.08:06
hiemanshuI still have my own Win 3.1 box, with 4M RAM and stuff08:07
SpeedEvilThat wasn't a bare board, but had a case, and plugged into a TV.08:07
GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG: re notifications, I was thinking of something cross-platform ;-)08:08
Shorukeni learned to read on a windows 3.1 game called "treasure mountain"08:08
DocScrutinizer~wiki nascom-ii08:08
Shorukeni still remember the music08:08
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=nascom-ii&go=Go08:08
DocScrutinizer~wiki nascom08:09
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nascom (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Nascom' 1 and 2 were single-board computer kits issued in 1977 and 1979, respectively, based on the Zilog Z80 and including a keyboard and video interface, a serial port that could be used to store data on a tape cassette using the Kansas City standard, and two 8-bit parallel ports. At this time, including a full keyboard and video display interface was uncommon, as most ...08:09
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DocScrutinizernascom1 actually08:11
Shorukenso DocScrutinizer is the 40 year old engineer :P08:11
DocScrutinizerhmm, thanks08:11
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* GonzoTheGreat is waiting expectantly for a rant08:13
hiemanshuah08:13
* hiemanshu is still a kid too08:13
* GonzoTheGreat has kids - two08:14
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Shorukenhow does this irc community affect productivity for you guys that're doing things?08:15
Shorukenalways felt like my problem was that I had no friends interested in programming08:15
DocScrutinizerIRC is killing me08:15
Shorukenhow so08:16
DocScrutinizerwithdrawal symptoms are unbearable08:17
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DocScrutinizerIRCing 24/7 also is08:17
Shorukenyou addict!08:17
GonzoTheGreatBTW, which IRC client are people using under maemo?08:17
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DocScrutinizerxchat08:17
DocScrutinizerFTW08:18
Shorukeni think last time I was on here was approx a year ago, for several weeks. saw you here all the time DocScrutinizer08:18
hiemanshuGonzoTheGreat: irssi08:18
DocScrutinizerShoruken: I never left since ;-P08:18
Shorukeni'm using Xchat for windows ;)... but it says ychat08:18
* GonzoTheGreat thinks DocScrutinizer is a bot08:19
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Shorukenprob a deviation of cleverbot08:19
DocScrutinizerdamn, he found out08:19
DocScrutinizer~botsnack08:19
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee08:19
Shorukenwhat other eastereggs this infobot have?08:20
DocScrutinizer51~docsnack08:20
* infobot snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack08:20
hiemanshuwell, most of us have bouncers :D08:20
GonzoTheGreatwell designed and open-source though ;-)08:20
SpeedEvilxchat too here.08:21
SpeedEvilUnfortunatly it eats battery on gsm, or worse 3G08:22
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Shorukeni was prettty impressed with xchat on maemo last time i used it ~year ago08:22
Shorukenit actually seemed more solid than this windows version08:23
Shorukeni can't seem to find a windows irc client that works as nicely the ones in linux08:23
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SpeedEvilInteresting - latest battery measurement - 1167mAh. One I dug up from last year - 126308:25
DocScrutinizerinfobot: who are you08:25
infobotDocScrutinizer: I think you lost me on that one08:25
SpeedEvilSomewhat better than i'd have thought.08:25
DocScrutinizerinfobot: what are you08:25
infobotI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>08:25
Shorukenso infobot is what DocScrutinizer talks to whenever everyone else is idling08:26
Shorukengotcha ;P08:26
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hiemanshuShoruken: quassel?08:34
ShorukenVAT?08:34
DocScrutinizereeew, skynet is shaking08:34
DocScrutinizerVAT: 19%08:34
hiemanshuShoruken: Quassel is a pretty awesome cross platform client written in Qt08:34
Shorukenbrb d/ling quassel08:34
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Shoruken_this looks kinda weird08:37
hiemanshulooks weird?08:38
Shoruken_padding on main input textbox doesn't center text08:38
Shoruken_and there's an invisible column i'm assuming based on biggest username08:38
hiemanshuworks for me08:39
Shoruken_COLORS?!08:39
hiemanshu:P08:39
Shoruken_xchat didn't have colors08:39
hiemanshuyes08:39
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hiemanshuthats why I love this, so many features08:39
Shoruken_well i'm sold08:39
hiemanshuand its not that old08:40
hiemanshuI use this on all 3 OSs just fine08:40
Shoruken_padding is kinda annoying but whatever08:40
hiemanshuyou'll get used to that08:40
hiemanshubrb reboot08:41
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hiemanshuhmm, setting up scratchbox on fedora is a pain :/08:56
Shorukengui installer doesn't work?08:58
hiemanshuwell no, the .py needs to be patched08:59
hiemanshuI downloaded the VMware image, but VMs are too slow on a laptop :(08:59
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Shorukenaye esp on mine ;)09:00
Shorukenbut i've got two laptops so i kinda just use the one that i don't use as a test system09:01
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hiemanshuah, well I run Fedora, and Ubuntu isn't something I'd want to install :P09:03
Shorukeni'm actually blown away at how awesome my ultraportable alienware laptop has been for me, coming from my built desktops09:03
Shorukenesp that it only cost me $569 and it has been my main comp the past 5 months09:04
Shorukenwhy do you liek fedora over ubuntu?09:05
hiemanshuwell first off its not debian based :P, next it has bleeding edge software, which is just awesome for devs, and you need to always support the latest version of software when you are building something09:06
hiemanshuthere quite a lot of things09:06
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Shorukeni thought the ubuntu repositories had bleeding edge stuff too?09:06
hiemanshufedora doesn't mess with the placement of config files in /etc, the way ubuntu/debian does09:06
hiemanshuShoruken: naah, you need PPAs and stuff for that09:07
Shorukenoh cool i like how quassel shows someone is talking to me09:07
hiemanshuyeah09:07
Shorukenhiemanshu: tried gentoo?09:07
hiemanshuorange lines09:07
hiemanshuShoruken: yup, but not enough time to sit and compile from source :P09:07
Shorukenhiemanshu: ya i spent a full week compliing kernels trying to get "the right one"09:08
hiemanshuI got the kernel just right, I have a .config saved up09:08
Shorukenbut my touchpad had issues09:08
Shorukenin every single one09:08
hiemanshubut I couldn't get sound working, so I just left it :P09:08
Shorukenit'd jump around randomly while touching it09:08
hiemanshuand when I got sound working, I didn't have enough time to complete the rest of the setup, so I poped in the fedora DVD and re-installed09:09
ShorukenI've personally only really liked fedora core, suse, and ubuntu and i've tried just bout all of 'em09:09
Shorukenfedora core is the only thing i could get compiz working on 6 years ago09:09
Shorukeni've not dabbled around much at all recently09:09
Shorukenand my alienware has some discrete graphics that can be turned off that isn't really supported in linux09:10
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hiemanshuShoruken: are you old too? :P09:10
Shoruken2509:10
hiemanshuah, not much older than me09:10
hiemanshuwell, I have been using linux for about 5 years now09:10
hiemanshu4-5 years09:10
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Shorukenin between my MMO addictions i'd install every popular distro and stick witht he one i liked for a few months09:11
Shorukenuntil going back to windows to game09:11
ruskienever tried any of the linux games?09:11
hiemanshuwell I always dual booted09:11
ruskieor maybe wine?09:11
Shorukenonly reason i'm not using it now is cause my laptop gets ~7 hours battery life in windows09:11
hiemanshuruskie: Crysis 2 on wine?09:11
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ruskieI'd get a ps3 or xbox for gaming in that case really ;)09:12
Shorukeni was playing WoW in wine for awhile and it was acceptable, but after seeing what it looked like in windows i switched09:12
hiemanshuShoruken: I tried about 40 different distros before settling on fedora :P09:12
Shorukendayum09:12
Shorukenmore than me!09:12
hiemanshuruskie: well I have a gaming machine that only runs windows :P09:12
ruskiethat works as well I guess09:12
ruskieonly place I use windows every so often is @work09:13
hiemanshuShoruken: yeah, new to linux back then, so wanted to try out everything09:13
Shorukeni still need to sit down and learn to use vim09:13
hiemanshuShoruken: vimtutor :P09:13
Shorukenhiemanshu:  i've done that whole thing twice09:13
Shorukenbut i don't use it enough to remember lol09:13
ruskienot worth it really09:13
ruskiejust start using it09:13
ruskieimportant to know how to start editing, stop and save|not save09:13
hiemanshuShoruken: hah09:14
ruskieeverything else you'll pickup along the way09:14
hiemanshuwell, I used vimtutor once09:14
Shorukeni got fed up when i coudln't get c++ code completion working09:14
hiemanshuand then I kept using vim09:14
hiemanshuand kept googling on how to do stuff09:14
hiemanshuand well I know quite a bit of vim, but not enough to be counted l33t :P09:14
ruskieI started using vim the first week I started running linux... along with rolling my own kernel09:14
Shorukenhow much faster would you say vim is than using a normal editor?09:15
Shorukenfor you personally09:15
hiemanshuwell vim is much better than nano yeah, but Kate > vim :P09:15
Shorukenoh i hated nano09:15
ruskiehehe09:15
ruskieI actually used nano for quite some time09:16
ruskiebut in the end switched to vim09:16
hiemanshuyeah, I used nano in the starting for basic edits, until I learnt not systems have nano, and learnt vi09:16
ruskieit gets slow if you want to do syntax highlighting09:16
hiemanshuonly later to discover, some called it pico09:16
ruskiethey don't actuall09:16
ruskiey09:16
Shorukenisn't pico just like nano?09:16
ruskiepico is the pine editor09:16
ruskieactually pine composer09:16
ruskienano is a clone of pine09:17
ruskieerm09:17
ruskiepico09:17
hiemanshuyeah09:17
ruskiegah09:17
ruskiecan't type today09:17
ruskiepico had license issues09:17
ruskiehence why nano got started09:17
ruskienow pico no longer has license issues09:17
Shorukeni'll prob start vimming it up if i someone decides to buy me the macbook air09:18
hiemanshuwell I am waiting for the refresh of the MBAs09:18
hiemanshushould happpen later this month09:18
Shorukenrefresh?09:18
Shorukeni don't keep up on apple stuff what's going on?09:18
hiemanshuShoruken: refresh = change in processor and stuff09:18
hiemanshuthey will upgrade the MBAs to SB09:19
ruskiethe usual... we'll add a new bit of colour to it and charge twice as much as the old ones...09:19
Shorukenso what's gonna happen09:19
ShorukenSB?09:19
Shorukensandy bridge?09:19
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hiemanshuyeah sandybridge, and thunderbolt09:20
hiemanshuruskie: naah, its actually getting cheaper09:20
Shorukenoooh really they'll have thunderbolt?!09:20
hiemanshuyup09:20
Shorukenwill they be teh same price?09:20
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hiemanshuyes, they should be09:21
Shorukenwhen do you expect them coming out?09:21
hiemanshuthis month09:21
Shorukenwell damn.09:21
Shorukenfound it: http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/06/macbook-air-due-for-a-refresh.html09:22
hiemanshuyeah09:22
* hiemanshu follows hardware closely09:22
Shorukenya thunderbolt is amazing09:22
Shorukenany idea if the i5 is going to affect battery life?09:23
hiemanshuI am expecting in about the 3rd week or starting of the 4th week at the max09:23
hiemanshuwell i5 should increase it09:23
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Shorukeni know that my m11x core2duo has much lower voltage cpu than the other cpus the m11x can be configured with09:24
hiemanshuwell the m11x has a ULV09:24
Ikarus[N900]meh @ twitter plugin for contacts and conversations09:24
Ikarus[N900]keeps breaking for me09:24
hiemanshuSU7300 if I am right09:24
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Shorukenaye SU730009:24
Shorukeni did a pin mod on the PLL overclocked it to 2GHz09:24
hiemanshunever do a pin mod ever09:25
hiemanshuyou'll end up blowing up the CPU09:25
Shorukeni didn't increase the voltage or anything and it works pretty well09:25
Shorukensame temps09:25
hiemanshuthat isn't the thing09:26
hiemanshulaptops aren't meant to be overclocked09:26
hiemanshuthere is a reason you have desktops and water cooling :P09:26
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Shorukenseems i phase out hardware so fast it doesn't matter09:27
Shorukeneverything i've OC'd in my life thus far has not failed me yet09:28
hiemanshuI just give away older hardware most of the time09:28
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ruskiethis is why I prefer a console... ;)09:28
Shorukenand i've a desktop e6400 overclocked to 3.2GHz on air nonstop09:28
Shorukenbut it's not with me ;(09:29
Shorukenonly thing i want a console for is guitar hero :)09:29
Shorukenand i wanna try out demons souls09:29
hiemanshuruskie: PC has much better graphics than console, and well I am one who cares a lot about how everything on the screen looks09:30
Shorukenwell i'm pretty happy that you've told me about this mba refresh09:31
Shorukenare you buying one too?09:31
Shorukenit'd be my first mac ever owned09:31
ruskiehiemanshu, ahh I prefer the it just works mentality that I never had on PC09:31
Ikarus[N900]hmz anyone want to recommend a twitter app ? can't pick which works best09:31
ruskieand the stupid upgrade every 3 months to be able to play whatever09:31
Shorukenwhat09:32
Shorukenmy 5 year old computer can play most current games09:32
Shorukenand i'ver only upgraded the vid card once09:32
hiemanshuShoruken: yes I am getting one09:32
Shorukenhiemanshu: 11 or 13?09:32
hiemanshuIkarus[N900]: mobile.twitter.com?09:32
ruskieI'm assuming you already put quite a bit of cash in the initial one anyway09:32
hiemanshuShoruken: 13, 11 is too small for my huge hands :P09:32
Shorukeni heard the 13 one out now had viewing angle problems09:32
hiemanshunaah09:33
hiemanshuits just fine09:33
Shorukenhiemanshu: are the keys actually diff size?09:33
Ikarus[N900]hiemanshu: quite suboptimal09:33
hiemanshuslightly yeah09:33
hiemanshuruskie: well sure, it just works, I get most of my stuff from steam, so well, "It Works"(TM)09:34
Shorukenruskie: ya but i'm a PC enthusiast and i kinda like dealing with broken things09:34
Shorukenand from what i've heard PSN was down for like  a month ors o?09:34
robbiethe1stYes09:34
robbiethe1stit was09:34
hiemanshuruskie: esp if you are using linux, you shouldn't be used to "It just works" :P09:34
Shorukenso ps3 online gaming seems terrible09:34
Shorukenat least recently09:34
robbiethe1sthiemanshu: Erm, Linux "just works" a lot more than Windows09:35
ruskiehiemanshu, I never had issues with linux just working09:35
Shorukenrobbiethe1st: on some hardware ya09:35
ruskieShoruken, same here... still doesn't mean I'll waste my money on a windows license09:35
hiemanshuruskie: well not every time :P09:35
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: not true09:35
robbiethe1stShoruken: Most hardware I've found. occasionally had to install a wifi driver, but again, easy.09:35
ruskieShoruken, as for the psn downtime... gameing was restored start of may sometime09:36
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ruskieit was the other functionality that was delayed09:36
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hiemanshurobbiethe1st: I couldn't get anything working decently when I got this laptop (i3 processor with intel GPU)09:36
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: I had to install fedora alpha, and wait for a month, till Intel released proper drivers09:36
hiemanshubut Windows just worked09:36
Shorukenthe only reason i don't even have ubuntu installed on a diff partition on my current comp is that it has discrete graphics09:37
robbiethe1stWell, that's a matter of brand new hardware and the company not releasing proper drivers09:37
robbiethe1stCan't exactly blame Linux for that09:37
ruskieor the spocs for the drivers09:37
ruskieerm specs09:37
Shorukeni'm not hating on linux, im just justifying why i'm not in it right now ;P09:37
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: sure, but in that case it doesn't really work OOB perfectly09:37
ruskiethe one thing I do with any hw purchase is examine if all the hw I'm buying is supported for the OS I'm using(whatever that OS is)09:37
ruskieif it isn't supported well enough I just won't buy it09:38
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hiemanshuwell dell is known to support linux on all its laptops09:38
hiemanshuand well it works just fine now09:38
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Shorukenmy m1530 works flawlessly with ubuntu09:38
Shorukenin every regard09:38
ruskieas for 3d acceleration on linux... I don't really care since most of my work is done in terminals09:38
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hiemanshuwell I need the 3D for the occasional games09:39
Shorukenhiemanshu: when the new MBA comes out will they sell the other ones super discounted?09:39
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robbiethe1stI'm very impressed with Nvidia09:39
robbiethe1stTheir proprietary drivers work nicely09:39
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hiemanshurobbiethe1st: because they haven't ported optimus to linux? and never will?09:39
ruskieI'm more impressed with AMD... they actually release specs for their cards09:39
hiemanshuShoruken: the people who sstill have stocks will yes09:40
robbiethe1stHaven't run into it09:40
hiemanshurobbiethe1st: thats the reason, I am not getting any new laptop with a nvidia card09:40
Shorukenhiemanshu: how much can we expect?09:40
hiemanshuShoruken: no idea09:40
hiemanshuruskie: sure, but the drivers barely work09:40
hiemanshuIntel is a safe bet right now if you want mainly for web and coding and stuff09:40
robbiethe1stWell, yea, I'd make sure whatever doesn't have unsupported tech09:40
ruskiehiemanshu, hell AMD even recommends using the open source drivers for their older cards09:41
robbiethe1stThen again, my T500 laptop with switchable AMD graphics doesn't have switching on Linux... But then it doesn't have it on XP, nor W7(at least, it didn't a few months ago)09:41
hiemanshuruskie: well yeah, but nouveau works much better IMHO09:41
Shorukenstill can't believe thunderbolt is coming out this soon09:41
ruskiehiemanshu, really? last I heard it doesn't even do 3d accell09:42
Shorukenrobbiethe1st: so jsut vista?09:42
hiemanshuShoruken: there is thunderbolt on the iMacs and MBPs09:42
robbiethe1stApparently09:42
hiemanshuruskie: it works fine on fedora09:42
Shorukenhiemanshu: when is it coming out on non apple hardware?09:42
ruskiehiemanshu, you sure you're not actually using nvidia_driver on there?09:42
robbiethe1stI, of course, have never had it work not having Vista, but I don't care. I set it in the bios to AMD graphics, and that's good for me09:42
crashanddieand here I was, thinking this channel was about an embedded Linux operating system, and not ##amd-vs-intel-vs-nvidia-flamewars09:42
hiemanshuruskie: yes09:42
hiemanshuruskie: well atleast it works on my card just perfectly09:43
robbiethe1stcrashanddie: You think wrong, obviously.09:43
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hiemanshucrashanddie: where there is linux, there is flamewares :P09:44
ruskiehiemanshu, so 2D only?09:44
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hiemanshuruskie: nope, 3D with compiz09:44
Shorukenhiemanshu: the intel graphics on the new MBA will be worse than the nvidias?09:44
ruskiecrashanddie, we simply are having a civil discusion about it09:44
ruskiehiemanshu, compiz isn't 3D09:44
crashanddieruskie, it's still completely off-topic ;)09:44
ruskiecrashanddie, nobody was really discussing anything09:44
hiemanshuruskie: well yeah, but most of the games worked09:44
hiemanshuShoruken: thtas not decided yet09:45
ruskiehiemanshu, which ones?09:45
crashanddieruskie, oh, OK then09:45
hiemanshuruskie: nouveau with mesa-dri-experimental09:45
ruskieahh09:45
ruskiehmm mabye I should try that on my new work box09:45
ruskiewhich has a nvidia card09:45
hiemanshugames like openarena and stuff worked fine09:45
crashanddieruskie, just FYI, do you also use cemeteries as camping ground because "no one else was using it"?09:45
ruskiehiemanshu, nice to hear09:46
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Ikarus[N900]meh, need to patch xchat09:47
JaffaMorning, all09:47
Ikarus[N900]to remove or move the close button so you can't fat finger it09:47
hiemanshuruskie: we have it from fedora 13, which will be EOL soon09:47
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Ikarus[N900]well, khweeteur simply doesn't work... next09:53
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ruskiehiemanshu, I run from source so not an issue from me09:59
DocScrutinizerIkarus[N900]: please publish that patch, or send me a copy of the binary :-)10:01
crashanddieIkarus[N900], why doesn't it work?10:01
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crashanddieIkarus[N900], the dev is relatively easy to get a hold of, and he's very responsive.10:01
crashanddieI'm sure he'd be happy to improve his application.10:01
crashanddieIf only you have the common courtesy of telling him if it's broken.10:02
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hiemanshuruskie: ah10:03
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Ikarus[N900]crashanddie: hmhm, I'll post a bug report but it seems to be a rather obscure bug10:04
ruskiebut I do require stability on a work system10:04
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acidjazzalright10:04
Ikarus[N900]ie, it hangs at a random point when first adding an account10:04
acidjazzi got one hour at sfo and i need to reset this n90010:04
Ikarus[N900]doc|home: will do10:04
Ikarus[N900]err,miscomplete10:04
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acidjazzso where is the image10:11
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acidjazzthe latest n900 firmware/etc10:11
hiemanshuacidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware10:12
hiemanshuthe links are there10:12
acidjazzyea im there10:12
acidjazzi go to osx then gui w/ 770 then the link to dl the image goes nowhere10:12
acidjazzhere ? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php10:12
hiemanshuacidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device10:13
hiemanshuyeah there10:13
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acidjazzah got it10:14
acidjazzok i entered my code10:14
acidjazzso then latest maemo 5 USA release?10:14
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acidjazzor a vanilla version?10:15
hiemanshutake anything, just grab the pr1.3 image10:15
acidjazzsweet10:16
acidjazztnx10:16
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acidjazzgogo airport wifi10:17
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acidjazzsuitable usb device not found .. waiting10:36
acidjazzshould my n900 be on to flash it?10:36
SpeedEvilTake the battery out.10:37
SpeedEvilplug into USB port, in the 'waiting' state. put teh battery in.10:38
SpeedEvilleave device face-down on table10:38
SpeedEvilDon't need to press anything10:38
hiemanshuacidjazz: well, hold u before you put your USB in, that way its easier10:40
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hiemanshuthe key 'u' :)10:41
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acidjazzi see tnx10:42
acidjazzlol take the battery out?10:42
acidjazzthat owrks?10:42
hiemanshuwell yeah, take it out, put it back in, (dont switch it on)10:42
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acidjazzethat in combination of the u ?10:43
acidjazzthat*10:43
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hiemanshuhold the key 'U' and then plug in the USB, leave the U key once you see a USB icon on the top right10:43
hiemanshuwell just hold U, when you put in the USB10:43
acidjazzhow long10:43
acidjazzbattery out and hodl 'u' before plugging it in?10:44
hiemanshuerr no10:44
Ken-YoungA couple of days ago, my N900 stopped being able to sync with Google's calendar and contacts from my gmail account.   It had worked properly for over one year, and then it just stopped working.   I get the message "Error in communication with Exchange Server".   Has anyone else seen that problem?10:44
hiemanshubattery out, back in10:44
hiemanshuhold u, plug in USB, wait for 5 seconds, release U10:45
hiemanshuand it should flash10:45
keriohiemanshu: never a miscommunication!10:45
hiemanshukerio: ?10:45
acidjazzno usb thing ont he screen... ill troy anyways10:45
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hiemanshuacidjazz: the updating the firmware page has everythign10:46
acidjazzyea i know i read it all10:48
acidjazztried this 10 times10:48
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acidjazzno little usb light thingy holding the 'u'10:48
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acidjazzshould the charger light be on or off or pulsating?10:48
hiemanshuwait, what exactly are yo udoing/.10:48
hiemanshu?(10:48
hiemanshu?*10:49
acidjazztrying to flash my n90010:49
hiemanshuI mean while flashing :P10:49
acidjazzok its starting to boot up now10:49
acidjazzim gonna boot it up .. shut it down10:49
acidjazzremove battery10:49
acidjazzput battery back in10:49
acidjazzhold u .. connect usb10:49
acidjazzthen run 770 flash10:49
hiemanshu770 flash?10:49
acidjazz770flasher10:49
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hiemanshuacidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php10:50
hiemanshuuse the flasher from there10:50
acidjazzk tnxs brb goin to terminal10:51
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hiemanshudarned SDK installer, why does it have to redownload everything? :/11:14
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EtuHey, im trying to flash my N900 with maemo, to reset it completly.11:31
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EtuIm in a Ubuntu 11.04 system and Im unable to run the flasher11:32
Etu./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS6411:32
robbiethe1stYou need to install the ia32-libs packages11:33
robbiethe1stit's a 32-bit application11:33
EtuWhere do I find it? Im not used to apt, I usualy runs gentoo11:34
alteregosudo apt-get install ia32-libs11:35
Etuokok11:36
EtuThere we go, thanks :)11:36
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lardmanmorning11:49
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* RST38h wonders what is making Mozilla people continue releasing Fennec for N90011:55
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RST38hThe thing is completely unusable.11:55
robbiethe1stEh, it /works/ I'll give it that11:56
robbiethe1stslow, yes11:56
psycho_oreosI wondered if it was just some crond build bot constantly building the same source but with different dates appended to the filename lol11:56
robbiethe1stI'd be very happy if I could simply toss it's rendering engine behind the stock browser, which has a *much* better gui11:56
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Venemomorning11:58
Venemo~seen MohammadAG11:58
infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 53m 57s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'.11:58
psycho_oreosthey need to cut lots of bloat off on their `Nightly' version. Apart from version numbers going up very slowly and maybe slightly different dates it just seems like hardly anything has changed apart from the naming of the product12:00
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RST38hThat is not bloat, that is features!!!12:02
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* chem|st forgot how lone it takes to write random numbers to 1TB over usb2^^ 16h 68% done (for some reason usb3 got a hickup)12:10
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RST38hBut....why?12:10
phapHi everyone!12:10
phapI have a little annoying problem: In the settings I have already disabled network positioning, but still, every time I open sygic or another program which requires gps, it always ask: 'enable network-based positioning', and I don't want this. Any ideas?12:13
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keriochem|st: why do you need that? :<12:29
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chem|stkerio: http://paste.debian.net/119294/12:33
chem|stor do you mean the encryption?12:33
chem|stah sorry encryption^^12:34
chem|stand the pastebin is my xhci throw-up12:34
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lardmanhmm, CTO news doesn't look very promising12:58
lardmanunless they get rid of Elop of course12:58
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lcuklardman, news where?13:15
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petteririch green is leaving nokia13:18
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psycho_oreosso?13:21
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summelanyone got blessn900 working? :/13:30
psycho_oreosvague question13:30
summelif i install the fcam drivers no camera app at all is working anymore13:31
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summeland i cant install the newer version from the website :O13:31
chem|stsummel: any modifications like OC'ed kernel-power or special devel things?13:32
psycho_oreoswhich kernel are you using?13:32
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summelchem|st: no13:32
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summelim running the latest one from nokia13:32
summeldid not yet enable cssu13:32
summelbut thought about doing that now13:32
psycho_oreoslatest one = nokia's stock kernel13:33
psycho_oreosyou might be able to get it working if you installed fcam from extras-devel13:33
chem|stblessn900 + old-fcam did not work13:34
summel:o so i have to enable extras-devel? :/13:35
hiemanshufinally the sdk installer is setting up targets13:35
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chem|stsummel: but don't install anything but fcam!13:36
summel:o ok13:36
summeland then disable it :)13:36
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psycho_oreosI don't know, I've stopped using stock kernel for sometime now13:36
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chem|stsummel: yes13:36
MetalGearSolidare u using titan's kernel ?13:36
psycho_oreoswho?13:37
chem|stMetalGearSolid: he doesn't13:37
psycho_oreosno he said he uses the latest one from nokia.. that's just stock kernel13:37
summeloh i actually have kernel power13:38
summelfor the wifi hotspot13:38
summelbut i dont need that anymore :o13:38
psycho_oreosthat is really confusing.. print the output of your `uname -r'13:38
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summelit said kernel power from the application manager13:38
MetalGearSolidKP version ??13:38
summelwhich you need for the wifi hotspot?13:38
chem|styes13:39
summelseco13:39
summelnd13:39
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Ikarusit's not hotspot, it's adhoc mode13:39
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psycho_oreosthe last I recall you don't need KP for wifi hotspot, it just gives you a warning that its not stable, yadda yadda yadda13:39
summelyees :P but it works the same :D13:39
Ikarussummel: no it doesn't13:39
summelpsycho_oreos: really? :o13:39
Ikarusyou can't use WPA2 security in ad-hoc mode13:39
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summelIkarus: for me it does13:39
summelyes thats true :/13:39
summel2.6.28.10power4213:40
psycho_oreossummel, that's awhile ago, I don't know the status of it now. I remembered wifi hotspot included the drivers for stock kernel but it was rather flaky and not working basically13:40
summelim not using that anyways13:40
psycho_oreossummel, so you're using titan's power kernel not stock kernel, there's a huge difference13:40
chem|stsummel: /topic13:40
summelsince the n900 is not my main phone anymore :o13:40
summelchem|st: ? i dont have a problem with multiboot or android or stuff :o13:41
chem|stkernel-power just the same!13:41
summelits in the repository13:41
summeland i can just uninstall it :o13:41
summelcamera did not work without that (and fcam installed) :o13:42
summelim uninstalling it now13:42
MetalGearSolidi am using KP 42 nd fcam v1.7-113:43
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summelMetalGearSolid: extras-testing? :o13:45
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MetalGearSoliddunno found it on TMO13:45
MetalGearSolidsearch the threads13:46
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psycho_oreosyeah the maintainer created custom fcam package that time13:48
summelwhat is tmo? :o13:48
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psycho_oreostalk.maemo.org13:49
summelah13:49
psycho_oreosI sort of personally can't see how much it would be of an issue if you used all the stuff from extras-devel if you said that N900 isn't your main phone anymore13:50
summeli still want stuff to work and not crash :D13:51
summeland the last time i mentioned extras-devel/-testing i got yelled at for not being a developer :o13:52
hiemanshuso the end result of the SDK install is the same as a vanilla N900 right?13:52
psycho_oreosI doubt it13:52
hiemanshuI mean except with the extra -dev packages13:53
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psycho_oreossummel, it depends on what you install, and of course the general thing is when things break whilst using extras-devel you're meant to be more collaborative rather than demanding a fix or something to be more stable :)13:53
psycho_oreoshiemanshu, if anything it resembles a figment of N900. There's no N900's kernel (which is obvious), the ARM emulation is slow if you for example use xephyr. You can't chroot inside a chroot, etc13:56
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hiemanshupsycho_oreos: I dont want an emulation, I just want to compile my apps for it, and then I can test it on my phone directly13:59
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psycho_oreoshiemanshu, well yes SDK should be sufficient for that14:00
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hiemanshuwoohoo, my first maemo non-python app, works :D14:59
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kerioheh, nokia CTO16:19
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Jaffakerio: Doesn't bode well, does it.16:40
Jaffakerio: Adds some weight to the out-there rumour about the Harmattan device not being released :-(16:40
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Hurrianhow can they not release it?16:41
psycho_oreosbecause they are nokia16:41
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HurrianNokia practically burned money at the 770, 800, 810/WIMAX and N90016:42
Hurrianwith the huge profit margins that they're making off crappy hardware phones such as the N8 and E716:42
Hurrianthey'll probably give it one last push16:42
Hurriane.g. Step 5/516:43
psycho_oreosand that was before signing a deal with microsoft16:43
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Hurrianbut they got it to the FCC16:43
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Hurrianat the very least, it's going out to devs Maemo Summit 2009 style16:44
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psycho_oreosonly time will tell16:44
Hurriani guess so16:44
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ShadowJKI wouldn't say they "burned" money on it, when you compare with the massive symbian R+D spending :)16:45
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Hurrianshadowjk: LOL16:46
Hurrianindeed16:46
HurrianS60 5th was the worst... ever16:46
FIQ|n900My hildon-desktop is completly broken as of latest reboot. Could be related to latest CSSU update16:46
FIQ|n900I have no taskswitcher, no menu, no Sym (so.. not working dialogs), etc16:47
HurrianFIQ, any hildon-statusmenu plugins such as AIS?16:47
Hurrianthe only time i've broken hildon is when i accidentally rm -rf'd /home16:47
Hurrian>mount -obind /home /and && rm -rf /and16:47
HurrianBIG WHOOP16:48
FIQ|n900Nah, don't have any plugins for hildon-* except upgraded hildon things for CSSU16:48
FIQ|n900Just to start xchat, i did a ctrl+shift+x, xchat, so.. well, not that useful desktop atm16:49
Hurrianthat's odd16:49
Hurriani have the latest CSSU and i'm totally fine16:49
FIQ|n900Can't switch back to xchat if i open a new xterm so.. well, i'm "stuck" atm :P16:50
Hurrianother than AIS burning thru battery, which resulted in uninstalling it16:50
chem|stFIQ|n900: no ctrl+backspace?16:50
FIQ|n900No task switcher16:50
FIQ|n900it just freezes then16:50
chem|stouch16:50
chem|stat least you got a term...16:51
FIQ|n900yea16:51
chem|stwhat about trying to start them by hand16:51
Hurriandamn nokia, you already made the phone as laptop-like as possible, why not go all the way and move the rootfs to the EMMC?16:51
chem|stactualy if not started you get a reboot loop16:51
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FIQ|n900<chem|st> what about trying to start them by hand16:52
Hurriani bet the money they save on not buying onenand parts can easily be used to bump up the emmc's speed class16:52
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FIQ|n900I might try killing hildon*16:52
chem|stFIQ|n900: dsmetool -k hildon-desktop16:52
FIQ|n900then everything will restart16:52
ShadowJKHurrian, it's a different issue16:52
chem|stFIQ|n900: no not killing16:52
FIQ|n900ok16:52
FIQ|n900 sh: dsmetool: not found16:53
Hurrianshadowjk, it'd be a lot easier to fix broken event.d scripts if it was on the emmc16:53
chem|stuse dsmetool -k to stop it properly (well it kills the process but tells the watchdog to shutup!16:53
ShadowJKHurrian, actually in benchmarks lower class microsdhc cards have booted operting systems faster than class 10. emmc/sd/cf are optimized for digital cameras16:53
chem|stFIQ|n900: as root16:53
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FredrIQ|n900Opened friend window by mistake and got screwed16:54
ShadowJKHurrian, when I messed around with scripts I had a backup script simple enough to always be correct, which moved back the old scripts ontop of new ones when booting slider open :P16:54
FredrIQ|n900uh... gief pipe16:54
ShadowJKThere exists no good (e)mmc/sd/cf as far as I know :(16:55
FredrIQ|n900yay for no sym - and no ipe16:55
FredrIQ|n900eh16:55
FredrIQ|n900pipe16:55
chem|stdsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-home to be precise16:55
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chem|stor equivalent for others16:56
chem|stto stop16:56
chem|stto start s/-k/-t/16:56
ShadowJKIt's kinda revealing too that Sandisk isn't quoting any usable performance figures for their "embedded ssd" :)16:57
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hiemanshuis there like a guide to use for cross compiling?16:58
hiemanshuI can get it working with FREMANTLE_X86, but not _ARMEL16:59
Hurrianhiemanshu, if you set up sbox right, it should be automagic16:59
Hurrianfakeroot {BUILD COMMAND}, fakeroot {PACKAGING COMMAND}17:00
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hiemanshuHurrian: make: /usr/bin/qmake-qt4: Command not found17:00
hiemanshuthats the error when I run build17:00
Fredrik1994n900Everything was screwed up then, so I rebooted17:00
Fredrik1994n900then things work again17:01
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Fredrik1994n900weird... but fine17:01
Hurrianinstall qmake then17:01
hiemanshuHurrian: http://fpaste.org/Tx5G/17:02
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Hurrianhttp://www.google.com/search?q=libqt4-dev+maemo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a17:02
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Hurrianthese things make it really hard to port stuff to maemo17:03
Hurrianmissing deps everywhere17:03
Hurrianyou have to build the packages for the deps if they dont exist yet17:03
Hurrianwhat a huge pita17:03
lcukhow did all the other people manage to make apps then?17:03
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Hurrianmake apps or port?17:04
Hurriansbox is supposed to be the reference environment17:04
Hurrianif it works there, it should work on maemo17:04
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hiemanshuwell it installs fine with target as X8617:04
lcukit depends17:04
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lcukI can install many targets within sbox17:04
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lcukthe maemo sdk target within sbox should be and generally is the target17:05
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Hurrianalso, not exactly maemo related, but cordia+meegocore seems promising17:07
chem|stHurrian: visually...17:08
ShadowJKseems conceptually like a cool upgrade path, if it enables using old apps on meego17:09
chem|stHurrian: at least some libraries could be thrown onto autocompilers17:09
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Hurrianshadowjk, would be great if we can bring hildon to other phones17:12
Hurrianmostly because i do not want to go to any other UI17:12
Hurrianandroid kids can have their Launcher/LauncherPro/etc17:12
Hurriani think i'll enjoy Hildon on a 4" screen17:13
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ShadowJKit was nice on 4"17:15
Hurrianah, the NIT's?17:16
Hurriannever had one, but I think the actual usable space on them would be ~3.5, subtracting the double menubars on top and on the left17:17
ShadowJKYou usually run stuff fullscreen17:17
ShadowJKthere's hardware button for entering/exiting fullscreen, as well as button for bringing up task switcher, and a back button for browser and such17:18
Hurrianah17:19
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ShadowJKoh and a button for bringing up what in Maemo5 is the titlebar menu :P17:19
Hurrianthat makes more sense than the N900 then17:19
Hurrianbut imo shortcutd is all i need17:19
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ShadowJKonly the +/- buttons are left on n900 :(17:19
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DocScrutinizer:-/17:22
Hurrianchecking the user list...17:23
Hurriank17:23
DocScrutinizermissing menu hw button or shortcut = MAJOR fail17:23
HurrianDocScrutinizer: at least we have the menubar up top17:24
DocScrutinizerI think a UI that *needs* mouse/touchscreen to work is a faulty design17:25
Hurrianeasy debian, then17:26
Hurrianpersonally, the only time i need to slide open the N900 is when I need to type17:26
DocScrutinizerlauncher and menu are not operable via kbd-shortcuts17:26
lcukDocScrutinizer, if that same system is used in shop windows then its a fail to require it17:26
DocScrutinizer*regression* compared to diablo17:26
lcukkeyboard shortcuts are like sprinkles on an ice cream cone17:26
lcuknice to have but for use where designed it isn't such an issue17:27
Hurriancome to think of it, the only keyboard shortcut i've ever used was the screenshot one17:27
ShadowJKI use ctrl-backspace all the time17:27
DocScrutinizerlcuk: don't get apologetic again please - it's a FAILURE of UI designers17:27
lcukdo the Windows Phones include a dedicated Ctrl-Alt-Del shortcut?17:27
ShadowJKIf apps could be sanely maximized without losing dunctionality I'd probably do that too, because screen space is wasted by the menubars :/17:28
lcukDocScrutinizer, I am not apologetic17:28
lcukI don't even have mouse  scroll wheel support in my apps17:28
lcukI was just pondering this morning how to do it17:28
Hurrianshadowjk : maximize apps, use camera half-press to go back to desktop17:28
lcuksee:17:28
lcuk<lcuk> when I plug in the mouse onto ideapad scrolling does not scroll17:28
lcuk<KotCneo> it just sends mouse event 'wheel up'17:28
lcuk<KotCneo> repeatedly17:28
lcuk<KotCneo> think of it as a mouse click17:28
lcuk<lcuk> ok will peek at the events17:28
bindihow hard would it be to implement a simple yes/no popup after closing the camera program?17:28
andre__so I can't use Maemo6 with a joystick? How could they dare? FAIL FAIL FAIL!17:29
ShadowJKHurrian, that's not the issue17:29
lcukso :P DocScrutinizer I do appreciate comforts like you do17:29
lcukbut I can also understand why they were forgotten17:29
bindiI'd like it to ask if I want to upload (scp) the pictures after I've taken some17:29
ShadowJKHurrian, ctrl-backspace is basically in muscle-memory now. I meant you can't access the titlebar menus if fullscreened :P17:30
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Hurrianfor all it's unpolished-ness, i like the hildon-desktop in maemo 517:31
Hurrianmy only beef with it is the internet connections settings menu17:31
DocScrutinizerandre__: you really got strange problems17:31
Hurrianthat shit's ugly17:31
ShadowJKremoving the buttons feels a bit like some ignoramus thought "what's the point of touchscreen if we don't force people to use it? :)17:32
andre__DocScrutinizer, you're welcome, especially when I see you crying out FAIL at every opoortunity you get :)17:32
DocScrutinizerandre__: ShadowJK and mine are more down to earth though: not touching touchscreen when using kbd17:32
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ShadowJKhuh17:33
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ctrl-bs17:33
ShadowJKandre__, probably for the better, didn't someone decide it'd be a good idea for accelerometers to pretend they're joysticks? :P17:36
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Hurrianshadowjk, that wouldnt work pretty well upside down wouldn't it?17:38
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ShadowJKI hate this rotation crap. If I'm lying on my side in bed trying to read a webpage and the damn thing rotates it upwards relatve to gravity it's now sideways relative to myself :(17:40
Hurrian>using the N900 in portrait17:40
Hurriangotta be one of the worst things to do, ever17:40
Hurriani actually got CSSU just to lock it in landscape17:40
ShadowJKlol17:41
inzshadow, you need to install a wireless 3D accelerometer to your head ;)17:41
DocScrutinizerHurrian: indeed17:41
ShadowJKi think it's only firefox that rotates for me now17:42
hiemanshuHurrian: well it finally worked, had to add the nokia repos17:42
ShadowJKand when i try figure out the magic keypress to do CLIENT_REFRESH in browser I accidentally activate rotation..17:42
ShadowJK(hint: there's no such keypress in mobile microb and firefox :( )17:43
hiemanshuhow do you pronounce that? as micro-bee or mic-rob17:44
DocScrutinizersome expert (matan?) gave me a insider hint about most programs on hildon have menu function linked to F<?>, so mapping this dunno F7 to some kbd combo might turn out to be handy17:45
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Hurrianhiemanshu, micro-bee17:46
Hurrianprobably means microbrowser though17:46
ShadowJKYeah, iirc F6 was fullscreen in Maemo417:46
DocScrutinizerI prefer microb like amoeba17:46
Hurrianuhh, micro17:46
Hurrian*microbe17:46
ShadowJKmidori on pc, remote X to N810, and midori configured to understand the F6,etc keys sent by hw buttons on N810 :)17:47
DocScrutinizerso what's been the menubutton's mapping?17:48
ShadowJKnfi :)17:48
DocScrutinizer:-)17:48
DocScrutinizermaybe worth finding out17:48
DocScrutinizerIll check my mails if I can find matan's tip17:49
Hurrianoh wow17:49
Hurriani just rebooted my N90017:49
Hurrianbattery went from 40% to 14.1%17:50
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hiemanshuHurrian: Nokia does that a lot, one of my older phones (I think my N73?) used to go from all bars to 2 bars after a rebooot17:52
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Hurrianthe pre-symbian phones never did this to me17:55
DocScrutinizerHurrian: never mind, bme is teling lies17:56
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DocScrutinizerandre__: imagine you paired a BT kbd to N900 and plugged AV to a TV to edit some text - might get annoying to reach out for N900's touchscreen every time you need a menu function of editor, or want to switch to another task, whatever18:01
GeneralAntillesShouldn't a UEFI, by definition, be able to boot GPT. . . .18:02
DocScrutinizerit doesn't?18:02
VenemoDocScrutinizer, in that case, use a mouse too18:02
Hurriandoesnt UEFI require gpt?18:02
andre__yeah, that sounds like a quite common usecase to me...18:02
DocScrutinizerandre__: sarcasm not appreciated, when not based on good facts18:03
hiemanshuHurrian: eh? no :P18:03
andre__I don't care about appreciation anyway...18:03
* ShadowJK actually used N810 + bluetooth keyboard on trips18:04
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DocScrutinizerandre__: well - then your ranting is just of a different flavour than mine18:05
andre__hehe. might be :)18:05
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Hurrianhiemanshu, what uefi shell are you using?18:05
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hiemanshuHurrian: the asus one18:08
hiemanshuhttp://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H67I/18:08
DocScrutinizerVenemo: how comes *none* of the major OS/GUI is following that arrogant paradigm? When this is "not a phone, it's a computer" then I'd expect kbd-shortcuts like on any other random computer18:09
Hurrianah18:09
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Hurrianhiemanshu, you still need to install a EFI bootloader18:09
DocScrutinizereven windoze has them18:09
HurrianGRUB2-EFI, EDK2-based hackintosh shells, and windows' very broken EFI bootloader on win718:10
hiemanshuHurrian: I got GPT to boot just fine, that isn't an issue18:11
hiemanshubut MBR boots up18:11
ShadowJKwindows now hides them :)18:11
DocScrutinizeroh, no more underlines? :-P too bad18:12
Hurrianhttp://goput.it/fhz.jpg18:12
Hurriansee image18:12
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I bet that's just another registry key you have to toggle18:14
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: funny detail: desktop qt even autogenerates accelerator keys for menu entries, if devel missed to pick one18:19
DocScrutinizerat least it's been like that last time I messed around with Qt on desktop18:20
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DocScrutinizerand the Qt source had some rather funny comments in the sections dealing with auto accelerators18:36
* DocScrutinizer wonders where his patches for this Qt parts went18:36
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RST38hhttp://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=164298719:50
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Itschuemoin moin19:53
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dangergrrlhow many days until the n9/950 manual is released?20:10
dangergrrl15?20:10
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SpeedEvil4220:19
DocScrutinizer*cough*20:19
DocScrutinizerwell, iirc it's like now+19d or sth20:20
DocScrutinizerask GeneralAntilles20:20
lardmanI think it's on the 23rd or perhaps 24tgh iirc20:20
DocScrutinizerwasn't that 27th20:21
GeneralAntilles21st, right?20:21
DocScrutinizerwhatever20:21
lardmanwell somewhere there anyway ;)20:21
merlin1991what did I miss, where did everyone get dates from?20:21
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DocScrutinizerit's not like I'm excited like a child on xmess eve20:21
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: FCC20:21
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: really? ;)20:22
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DocScrutinizerlardman: more like bored and stressed like it's ok for old farts facing x-mess hassle20:23
lardmanI am still excited, but also getting bored20:24
lardmanand this bloody Tab keyboard is driving me mad, I hate on screen keyboards!20:24
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* GeneralAntilles is finally excited.20:28
lardmanah finally - who creates an on screen keyboard without the ability to have any cursor keys?!20:28
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I'm getting more worried the longer it takes, and wondering what the delay is20:28
SpeedEvilCursor keys are outdated! You simply select where you want to put the cursor with the mouse.20:29
lardman"delay" that is20:29
lardmanSpeedEvil: hmm, not with my big finger + capacitive screen + terminal emulator so I need to scroll up a line20:29
lardmanstupid Android20:29
* lardman backs up kernel to flash Meego on20:29
lardmanthough first I have to go to the shop and get a red onion so I'm told :)20:30
SpeedEvilIn soviet russia, all onions are red onions!20:31
DocScrutinizerlardman: maemo vkbd is similarly evil on missing cursor20:31
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derfRST38h: Where do I sign up for your newsletter?20:38
RST38hderf: Google Reader, I guess20:39
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: yeah but that hw has a physical cursor while the Tab doesn't20:43
lardmanwe now have some russian onions and wine20:43
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DocScrutinizeroh, meego install runs under wine?21:02
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DocScrutinizernot really surprising, but still... X-P21:03
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Sazpaimon_I like how two prominent IRCD developers (w00t and stskeeps) left their work to move on to NIT development, only to realize it was a mistake in the end21:10
Sazpaimon_hey maybe stskeeps will return to unreal and it'll stop being bad21:10
Sazpaimon_(haw)21:10
Gh0styand pigs will fly!21:10
Sazpaimon_i wanted w00t to go back to inspircd development after he abandoned his NIT fling21:11
Sazpaimon_development on inspircd really stagnated when he left21:11
Sazpaimon_funny, one of the last things he said on the inspircd site was " I'm first in line to purchase a Nokia N900 next week and I think you should be to."21:12
Sazpaimon_so much for that21:12
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ShadowJKWhat do you mean "so much for that"?21:13
Sazpaimon_because he pretty much abandoned any work on maemo21:13
Sazpaimon_and the N900 in general21:13
ShadowJKI thought he was still fulltime on N900 :P21:14
Sazpaimon_its probab ly still his primary device21:14
Sazpaimon_but i never see him around anymore21:14
Sazpaimon_i figure he pretty much abandoned the maemo communit21:15
Sazpaimon_*community21:15
ShadowJKHe left this channel because of some loud whiners ruining it21:15
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Sazpaimon_doesn't that go for pretty much everyone who left21:15
ShadowJKNo, some left because they were whiners and nobody gave them attention21:16
Sazpaimon_point there21:16
Sazpaimon_I'd still like him to work on inspircd again21:16
Sazpaimon_the current developers have kinda just left it as is and fixed a some bugs here and there21:17
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meceSazpaimon_, Stskeeps works fulltime on MeeGo N900 adaptation. He just got tired of whiners on tmo21:17
Sazpaimon_oh that's good21:17
Sazpaimon_so he's just leaving the cesspool forum21:18
ShadowJKthe moderation by comittee model has failed so hard :)21:18
Sazpaimon_i really wish the staff there would just stop being so passive21:18
Sazpaimon_it doesn't work21:18
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lardmanDocScrutinizer: it doesn't run under wine, but wine helps with the porting effort ;)21:22
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meceIt is very difficult to moderate such as abill_uk. He is super annoying and everything he says is wrong, but he (mostly) doesn't directly break the rules.21:26
meceIf everyone would just ignore him then he wouldn't hijack every thread with his shit21:26
meceso what the hell is the big thing planned for maemo community that Zehjotkah is tweeting about?21:27
lardmanSazpaimon_: it's quite hard to join the staff ;)21:28
mecelardman, what staff?21:28
lardmanI used to be a mod, but my privs were removed and I never did get an answer about how to get them back21:28
mecelardman, why were they removed?21:28
lardman"staff" on TMO I think21:28
meceah21:28
lardmanI've no clue21:28
GeneralAntillesBecause he's lardman.21:28
GeneralAntillesI mean.21:28
GeneralAntillesReally.21:28
meceas council21:28
mecehehe21:29
meceLOL21:29
lardmanI was busy for a month or two and didn't post much and I am lardman21:29
meceGeneralAntilles, I'm glad you clarified that.21:29
lardmanperhaps it happened around the same time X-Fade removed my avatar from the front page, grrr!21:29
mecewhaat? I've missed this bit of drama...21:30
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lardmanmece: I was stuck on the front page for a year or so21:30
GAN900His avatar was on the front page under the "random" community members heading21:30
lardman:)21:30
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GAN900When X-Fade finally fixed it, lardman lost all of his powers.21:31
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lardmanlike my credit rating being downgraded to a mere BBB- ;)21:31
lardmanor should that be a bondage rating21:31
lardmanor bond even21:31
lardman;)21:31
Sazpaimon_lardman, so staff dont ever ban anyone because theyre afraid of getting their prvis revoked21:31
lardmanSazpaimon_: I never banned anyone21:32
lardmantbh they probably get bored like I did of the amount of noise on the forum21:32
meceLOL21:32
Sazpaimon_then they, as staff, should oh21:32
meceabill_uk has been banned21:32
lardmanbut equally when I do pop in, it's annoying to not be able to fix things like thread headings21:32
Sazpaimon_i dont know21:32
Sazpaimon_do something about i21:32
Sazpaimon_what21:32
Sazpaimon_really21:32
Sazpaimon_oh happy day21:33
Sazpaimon_oh joyous happy happy day21:33
lardmanSazpaimon_: only if paid, otherwise it's a free service21:33
mecenot now. It was a while ago21:33
meceit was just for a week or so.21:33
lardmanbbiab, supper time21:33
mecehe did calm down21:33
Sazpaimon_mece, you really know how to make me sad21:33
mecethe douchebaggery has escalated again lately though.21:33
meceSazpaimon_, sorry21:34
Sazpaimon_personally i think something needs to be done about the idiotic 4chan type posts on the board more than anything21:34
Sazpaimon_and the tags21:34
Sazpaimon_theyre obviously useless21:34
mecemeh21:34
Sazpaimon_nobody uses tag searching anyway, because the tag search page is broken21:35
Sazpaimon_and nobody seems to have noticed that21:35
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Sazpaimon_the tag search page will only show the top thread, and all other threads will appear below the recent posts bar21:35
mececurious21:35
Sazpaimon_since nobody has ever seemed to report this, it leads me to believe that tags have no real functionality anyway21:36
Sazpaimon_though, I do like searching for threads tagged "just shoot me"21:37
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meceThere should be a a special kind of ban for people who provoke the most thanked member of the forum to leave. Permaban and all posts removed perhaps?21:40
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DocScrutinizerItt-thanks are are rather volatile and random currency21:47
DocScrutinizerjust number_of_Itt_posts is more useless in my book21:48
DocScrutinizerabill_uk quoted a post of me to make his point - WAAAAH!!21:49
* DocScrutinizer feels abused and raped21:50
DocScrutinizerof course is a partially wrong point, to make things worse21:50
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DocScrutinizerwhich in a weird sense makes my post wrong as well21:51
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meceDocScrutinizer, if you only watch thanks or only watch post count then they make no sense, but together they make some sense imo.21:55
meceDocScrutinizer, where did abill quote you?21:55
lardmanyeah rather than thanks you need an agree/disagree/thanks trio21:55
lardmanalso one should be able to see who set any given tag21:56
mecelardman, you do!21:56
lardmanbut equally they don't have any use21:56
lardmanmece: I do?!21:56
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025496#post102549621:56
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mecelardman, well it says "The Following User Says Thank You to lardman For This Useful Post:"21:57
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lardmanno I meant the silly tags that are added to threads21:57
meceoh21:57
meceyeah.21:57
lardmanmight shame people into not posting silly tags21:58
meceI tend look at posts/thanks ratio to decide if I need to pay extra attention to someone.21:58
meceerm thanks/posts ratio I mean :)21:58
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meceusually if it's around 1 the sum is somewhat significant (like 1000 or so) you can conclude that it's a somewhat productive member :)22:00
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maouri added this repository http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel but still don't have libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql/ !!! anyidea ?22:19
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hiemanshumaour: what do you want? libqt4-sql should do it22:20
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maourhiemanshu: i want to read from mysql on another server22:21
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hiemanshumaour: install libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql-mysql22:21
hiemanshuhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-sql-mysql/22:22
maourhiemanshu: i don't have any package with these name !22:22
hiemanshumaour: after adding the repo did you run apt-get update?22:22
maouri used application manager !22:23
maourand it get updated !22:23
DocScrutinizermece: mine dropped to an abysmal ratio from an almost 7/1 thanks/posts some 8 months ago22:23
maouri'm sure i have extra-devel22:23
maourthere is too many update after that22:23
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hiemanshumaour: if its enabled it should be there22:24
hiemanshuor use the command-line to install it22:24
DocScrutinizermece: to many answers to fools, I guess22:25
A03osome one give me a link to all the bugs found in the final n900 firmware release by nokia22:25
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maourhiemanshu: maybe i added something wrong! distribution : fremantle and components : free non-free22:25
maouris that right ?22:26
DocScrutinizermece: don't ask about the flames I received when I vaguely announced I *might* consider removing posts that got no thanks, for the mere reason to reduce noise on the forum ;-P22:26
hiemanshuyeah22:26
DocScrutinizermece: my *own* posts, nota bene22:26
A03ohttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1190822:27
povbotBug 11908: Java application support22:27
A03o?22:27
A03oand whats this about22:27
A03ohows this a bug?22:27
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DocScrutinizeractually they are called tickets .may as well be an improvement request22:28
maourhiemanshu: worked from command linr22:28
maourline*22:28
hiemanshuwell yeah it has to :P22:28
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DocScrutinizerA03o: >>Importance:   Unspecified enhancement22:29
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A03oaha22:30
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DocScrutinizerdefinitely not labeled "bug"22:31
A03oDocScrutinizer : this even possible ?22:31
DocScrutinizerdunno22:31
maourhiemanshu: but still same error on my program!  QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL  driver not loaded  QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded"22:31
A03oBug 11908 - Java application support22:31
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11908 Java application support22:31
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DocScrutinizerI seem to recall somebody mentioning some java runtime environment for maemo22:32
maournow i have mysql-common   libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql  libmysqlclient15off22:32
maourhiemanshu: but still same error on my program!  QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL  driver not loaded  QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded"22:32
maournow i have mysql-common   libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql  libmysqlclient15off22:32
DocScrutinizerA03o: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=java&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same22:33
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A03o:O22:34
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summelanyone has a mac? the flasher-3.5 setup does not work here :(22:47
bindiis there a way of executing a script when the camera app is closed?22:49
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merlin1991btw about java http://maemo.org/packages/view/icedtea6/22:51
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phaphello22:59
mecemy wife just beat me in a scalextrix race. The shame!23:00
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Venemo~seen MohammadAG23:00
infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 56m 15s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'.23:00
phapMaybe someone can help me: my net connection is fine, but whenever I use FAM it keeps saying 'unable to open a network connection' and still does the job. It's annoying... Any clue?23:00
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Venemophap, what is FAM?23:01
phapFaster application manager23:01
Venemothat is bloatware23:01
phapIt worked fine until today23:01
Venemojust use apt23:01
phapwell sure I can use apt but I like also this way23:02
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merlin1991phap: afaik it's fapman :)23:05
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javispedromoo23:24
phapwell fapman then :-)23:24
javispedroso, anything new and interesting?23:24
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javispedroapart from the end being near with so many people leaving news today...23:26
RST38hI only know of CTO23:27
RST38hWho else?23:27
RST38hlardman: it is not clear how relevant meego is any more23:27
* RST38h in wait-and-see mode23:28
MohammadAGso, I bought a Galaxy S2...23:28
MohammadAGNot sure if I should keep the N90023:28
javispedroRST38h: stskeeps.23:28
javispedroin a sense =)23:28
javispedroand MohammadAG23:29
javispedrois also leaving.23:29
MohammadAGI gave up on waiting for the RM-68023:29
RST38hjavispedro: Where are they leaving to?23:30
MohammadAGAndroid23:30
MohammadAGXDA Devs seems nice23:30
RST38hMohammad: Android development is a major PITA23:30
javispedroXDA Devs, nice????'23:30
MohammadAGRST38h, MeeGo's development isn't sane23:30
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javispedroit's like tmo with 200x the trolls and 0.5x the developers23:30
RST38hjavispedro: btw, where is Stskeeps leaving?23:31
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MohammadAGAnyway, it's been fun23:31
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javispedroRST38h: he's leaving tmo only23:32
javispedroRST38h: so, to meego.23:32
lardmanXDA is even more confusing than meego.com re instructions ;)23:32
RST38hah, tmo...no big deal23:32
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lardmanRST38h: yeah, well I can always keep my fingers crossed about the relevancy23:32
* RST38h wondered why Stskeeps answered to the abill character today23:32
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* javispedro starts hitting "follow" buttons on twitter23:38
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lcukjavispedro, you are already following me on http://twitter.com/lcuk :P23:40
javispedroyes23:40
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javispedroyou just ate some buttered toast.23:40
lcuk:D23:40
MohammadAGI still get a follow even if I leave right? :P http://twitter.com/MohammadAG23:40
javispedro=)23:40
javispedrookkk23:41
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* javispedro decides not to follow "selop", though.23:42
lcukdamn, I tohught you were selop23:43
javispedrolcuk: was it selling the company to steve ballmer the act that blew my cover?23:44
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lcukno that was your ghostwriter23:44
lcukall the best twitter folks have em :P23:44
* lcuk has a team offering tweets and DMs23:45
vldcnsttweets about sliced bread23:46
vldcnstyum23:46
lcukvldcnst, see!23:46
* lcuk runs back to #liqbase for some code mangling23:46
vldcnstwhat kind of butter?23:47
lcukvldcnst, store brand ICBINB23:47
* lcuk forgets which store23:47
javispedrosee, twitter is useful.23:47
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javispedrolet's if I can get a personalized home page with lotsa news of maemo, a bit of meego, a bit of webos, and few about the rest.23:48
RST38h<sleep>23:48
vldcnstlcuk: have you tried la motte?23:48
javispedrognite RST38h23:48
MohammadAGError, <sleep> requires parameter time23:48
lcuknn moh \o23:49
vldcnsthttp://www.president-food.com/franc/produits/beurre/img_motte_autre/motte_seldemer.jpg23:49
lcukby the way, I have a sketch smile gallery23:49
vldcnsttruly unique23:49
MohammadAGnot going to sleep :p23:49
vldcnstsea salted23:49
MohammadAGthough I'd love to, tired as hell23:49
MohammadAGoh and the me leaving for Android was actually me bored, ignore what I said :p23:49
javispedrofunny how the @wearemeego account basically died in the happy days of the past.23:49
lcukvldcnst, sounds expensive23:49
vldcnstright23:50
Siceloyou were writing exam by the way MohammadAG ?23:50
lcukI shall add it onto the sketch wall23:50
lcukand when I can afford it I will buy a pack23:50
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lcukvldcnst, :) I added you to the graffiti wall23:51
MohammadAGSicelo, that was over 12 hours ago23:51
vldcnstlcuk: that's the only butter I use.23:51
lcuk:)23:52
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, twitter time, eh? ;)23:55
javispedroyep, today, twitter, tomorrow, real life.23:55
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javispedrolcuk: you had problems with the twitter followers counter, didn't you?23:59

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