| Venemo | thanks DocScrutinizer51 :) | 00:00 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: Professional C# 2008 | 00:00 |
| hiemanshu | about 1800 pages | 00:00 |
| Venemo | nice! | 00:00 |
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| hiemanshu | never read it though LO | 00:00 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 00:00 |
| Venemo | I can also code some JavaScript for some occasional web dev and gnome-shell extensions | 00:01 |
| hiemanshu | ah nice, I do webdev too :D | 00:01 |
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| alecjw | can someone remind me the device node for SD cards? i thought it was mmcblk0, but that's the internal memory | 00:02 |
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| hiemanshu | alecjw: mmcblk1 ? | 00:02 |
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| alecjw | ta :) | 00:03 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: is there rpm2cpio in the maemo repos or should I use my laptop for that? | 00:13 |
| Venemo | idunno | 00:13 |
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| BCMM | my notification area has gone. what just happened? | 00:17 |
| azilot | BCMM: and you can`t launch any program? | 00:17 |
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| BCMM | dunno; realised i hadn't tried rebooting so doing that | 00:17 |
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| BCMM | sorry, i can launch programs | 00:18 |
| BCMM | well, i started xterm with the kb shortcut | 00:18 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: ok its resizing | 00:32 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, what are you resizing? and why? | 00:33 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: /home and MyDocs | 00:33 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: because /home is too small :P | 00:34 |
| Venemo | I see | 00:35 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: well you told me about it, did you forget already? | 00:35 |
| Venemo | I didn't forget that you asked about it | 00:35 |
| Venemo | but you didn'say why you want to do it :) | 00:36 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 00:36 |
| hiemanshu | well I thought it would be understood, 2G is too small even for RAM these days :P | 00:36 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, sure | 00:36 |
| * hiemanshu should find a nice way to rewrite his other desktop apps for the N900 | 00:37 | |
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| BCMM | anyone know what "is_cool = 0" does? (transitions.ini) | 00:40 |
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| GAN900 | Makes it cool. | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | Right now, yours sucks. | 00:48 |
| hiemanshu | hah | 00:49 |
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| _trine | what causes rootfs to fill up apart from the obvious | 00:51 |
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| Venemo | _trine, the obvious | 00:51 |
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| _trine | for some reason roofs is full and I have not installed any othe rprograms | 00:51 |
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| _trine | the obvious being that it would fill up if you loded lots of new programs | 00:52 |
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| bernanke | why are there so many people in this channel? | 00:52 |
| Venemo | _trine, new programs usually aren't stored on the rootfs => that is not the reason | 00:52 |
| azilot | i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root. | 00:52 |
| _trine | Venemo, ah ok | 00:53 |
| Venemo | _trine, programs are stored on the eMMC, in /opt usually | 00:53 |
| _trine | Venemo, what do you think could have caused it and can I get some space back ? | 00:53 |
| Venemo | _trine, what is the output of 'df -h' | 00:54 |
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| Venemo | _trine, also, which firmware version do you have? | 00:54 |
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| _trine | Venemo, how can I get the results of df -h onto here | 00:55 |
| _trine | Venemo, pr 1.3 | 00:55 |
| Venemo | _trine, 'apt-get install pastebinit' as root, then 'df -h | pastebinit' | 00:56 |
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| _trine | Venemo, I cant do that | 00:56 |
| Venemo | _trine, what? why? | 00:56 |
| _trine | as I have no more space left | 00:56 |
| Venemo | _trine, very weird. worst case, backup your data and reflash. | 00:57 |
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| azilot | type it manualy | 00:57 |
| azilot | df -h is not verbose | 00:57 |
| _trine | it happened after I was copying a large file to Mydocs folder | 00:57 |
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| azilot | maybe file cache? | 00:57 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: 10.5G /home and 17.5G MyDocs is perfect :D | 00:57 |
| _trine | can I clear file cache | 00:58 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, congrats :) | 00:58 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: thank you for the guide :D | 00:58 |
| azilot | Guys, can u help me with symlink issue? | 00:58 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, you're welcome :) | 00:58 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: I am dd-ing it to an image, so when I reinstall, I have it like this | 00:59 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu :) | 00:59 |
| hiemanshu | ok I should head to sleep | 01:00 |
| hiemanshu | its 4 AM and I have a test at 9AM | 01:00 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, okay, sleep well & sweet dreams | 01:01 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: same to you mate :) | 01:01 |
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| _trine | I have just spent 2 days setting my N900 up and I dont really want to do it all again so does anyone know how to free up space on rootfs | 01:03 |
| Venemo | _trine, what did you do to fill it up in the first place? | 01:03 |
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| _trine | Venemo, it must have been the file transfer to MyDocs | 01:03 |
| Venemo | _trine, how could a file transfer to MyDocs affect the rootfs? | 01:04 |
| _trine | but how that has filled rootfs is a mystery | 01:04 |
| Venemo | _trine, I'm afraid I can't help you more until some more knowledgeable people like DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG come here | 01:04 |
| _trine | but is there a way to free up space on rootfs | 01:04 |
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| _trine | Venemo, ok thanks | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mr_jrt: please fix your connection and client, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-06-01.log.html#t2011-06-01T20:13:41. We'll ban you temporarily to protect channel, please /query any of the chanops ( /msg chanserv access #maemo-ssu list) - or just me - to remove the ban as soon as you got stuff sorted. We regret we have to do this, no bad feelings. good luck! :-) | 01:05 |
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| *** mr_jrt was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 01:06 | |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, can you help me with my rootfs problem please | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: as long as you're still logged in I strongly suggest to rm some junk files from / | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you're already in bootloop, it's getting really really difficult | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | odds however are that next boot will garbage-collect free-up quite some space in / | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if that's not enough to make boot succeed, then you're basically screwed | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you got some dualboot setup (e.g. meego / nitdroid) to clean maemo's rootfs from outside | 01:10 |
| _trine | I have rebooted and its just the same | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's *possible* to fix things using http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it seems only the most frustration-resistent hackers ever made their way thru that textadventure | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: is the same *what*? | 01:12 |
| _trine | the rootfs is still full | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you can boot to a state where you can run some cmd to even *tell* rootfs is full, you as well should be able to delete some crap | 01:13 |
| _trine | where would I look for crap | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good question | 01:14 |
| _trine | that would fill up rootfs | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to tell | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at /tmp / dunnowhat | 01:14 |
| _trine | I emptied tmp | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | du -x /|sort -n | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | will give some hints | 01:16 |
| _trine | ok | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | beware however of deleting random files indiscriminately, some of them might actually be needed | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | many are symlinks to /home/opt or sth | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so won't help to delete them at all | 01:19 |
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| azilot | DocScrutinizer: Is it ok, that i can`t create symlink in /home/user/MyDocs to /opt/modrana/tracklogs? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it takes quite a bit of common sense and experience to tell if you can delete a file or not, please come back here and ask, whenever you're unsure | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | azilot: yes, it's VFAT | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only bindmounts will work there | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | VFAT doesn't know symlinks | 01:21 |
| azilot | mm. So i have to put thi bind mount to fstab? | 01:22 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, how can I type the pipe symbol | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | blue+ctrl | 01:23 |
| azilot | press modkey and ctrl | 01:23 |
| _trine | whats modkey | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 _trine | 01:24 |
| povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. | 01:24 |
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| Venemo | _trine, blue arrow | 01:27 |
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| _trine | http://dpaste.com/549411/ | 01:30 |
| bernanke | yes | 01:30 |
| _trine | Nokia-N900:~# df -h | 01:30 |
| _trine | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 01:30 |
| _trine | Nokia-N900:~# | 01:30 |
| BugBlue | /etc/mtab is probably not correct | 01:31 |
| azilot | DocScrutinizer: after creating bind (mount --bind /opt/modrana/tracklogs /home/user/MyDocs/tracks) i can`t use mass storage mode | 01:32 |
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| azilot | only flash card | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | azilot: indeed | 01:33 |
| _trine | which folder holds rootfs | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: / is rootfs | 01:33 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have used winscp to access the phone | 01:34 |
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| _trine | so I can look around | 01:34 |
| azilot | so, no other ways other than copy to MyDocs? | 01:34 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: any idea why I can't boot with USB cable plugged in? recent, haven't installed anything new. | 01:34 |
| _trine | where do I look? I can see th efile system | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: sorry, no | 01:35 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: it gets to the dots animation than reboots with rapid yellow led flashes | 01:35 |
| azilot | vldcnst: i have same issue. Tought, that it`s @feature@ | 01:36 |
| vldcnst | azilot: do you have power kernel installed? | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: I gave hint how to spot the hugest hogs on rootfs. Sorry I'm running short of better ideas | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: it's not like I give 3rd best advice first ;-) | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ussually | 01:38 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I did what you said but it didnt give me file sizes or anything the output was what I pastebined | 01:38 |
| _trine | anyway its getting late here so I guess it might be better to try in the moring with a fresh mind | 01:39 |
| _trine | morning* | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's listing the directories that are on rootfs, hugest last. You'll have to look into them to spot files that look fishy and fat | 01:39 |
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| _trine | thank you for your help | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | evening | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | also checking creation date might help | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo MohammadAG | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | o/ DocScrutinizer | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | new fat files are more likely to be cruft | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | azilot: vldcnst: you got a strange problem, I'd be interested in reading any news you find out about it. No ideas how to help ATM | 01:47 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: I can replicate the problem with the charger too. | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, one good point already | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got powerkernel? | 01:48 |
| vldcnst | yeap, 47 | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r bq27200 | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this module is known to break bme, which in turn will segfault and cause system to reboot | 01:48 |
| vldcnst | not loaded | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r actually doesn't suffice, you should blacklist or simply delete the bq27200.ko module | 01:49 |
| azilot | module not found | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, been worth a shot ;-D | 01:49 |
| azilot | i have powerkernel to i think | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep bq | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's called bq27x00 or sth | 01:51 |
| azilot | bq27x00_battery 5264 0 | 01:51 |
| azilot | power_supply 7044 1 bq27x00_battery | 01:51 |
| vldcnst | yeap, same as azilot | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, roge module - blacklist, kill!!! | 01:51 |
| vldcnst | blacklisting now | 01:51 |
| azilot | how to blacklist? | 01:52 |
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| vldcnst | let's try a reboot | 01:52 |
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| licensed` | anybody knows how can i install ndrive on my n900? i have maps licences | 01:53 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: dots, nokia white, reboot + vibrate and then goes into loop | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 01:54 |
| azilot | i have loaded, but i think i have no powerkernel after reflash | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd consider PK47 thoroughly fsckdup | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PR1.3-cssu: lsmod|grep bq ->nuttin | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this module is definitely not needed in any sane system setup | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the way how and why it breaks stuff when loaded is quite completely understood | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm amazed it made it into PK anyway, even more it gets loaded by default | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | why it doesn't work to blacklist it is beyond me | 01:58 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: silly me, I blacklisted bq27x00 but forgot the _battery | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh!! | 01:58 |
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| vldcnst | aaannd, no lift off. still the same problem | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mention my name when posting a "fix" to tmo ;-D | 02:00 |
| azilot | So, no other options to create smoething like symlink in /home/user/MyDocs and still stay able to use disk in mass storage mode? | 02:00 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: when it's in that loop, the second I remove the USB cable it starts to boot normaly | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest rm /lib/modules*/*/*/*/bq27*.ko | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | what loop? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bootloop on pl47 when hooked to charger | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq27x00 crap module again | 02:01 |
| Macer | damn | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's been a year since I've last went into ACT_DEAD | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | my device always boots up | 02:01 |
| Macer | have to love how easily hackable a wii is | 02:01 |
| Macer | :) | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | never goes into ACT_DEAD | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if this is hen, or kp 42+ | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | not bothered anyway | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: The wii controller has a stm32, an accel, and bluetooth | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | the PS3's has a gyro, or 3 | 02:03 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, is there a file here at the bottom of this pastebin that needs to be deleted http://dpaste.com/549417/ | 02:04 |
| BCMM | BCMM_: is my notification LED working? | 02:04 |
| BCMM | cool. | 02:04 |
| azilot | vldcnst: i don`t have this issue now. Checked right now, power kernel is installed. | 02:04 |
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| vldcnst | azilot: lucky you | 02:05 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, this one ? 296384 | 02:05 |
| azilot | vldcnst: i had it before reflash ) | 02:05 |
| _trine | is that the file length | 02:05 |
| _trine | 296384 | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | this all are directories, and yes that's the directory size in blocks afaik | 02:06 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, there seems to be something at the end of that list with no name | 02:06 |
| _trine | is that what I need to delete | 02:07 |
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| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: I also noticed that when I press the power button (with the cable plugged in) the led fades twice (low>high>off low>high>off), is this normal? | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I'm a bit puzzled what all those /usr/* dirs do there, as most of them *should* be or contain stuff being on /home/maemo/usr or sth | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: not really | 02:08 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, was that to me | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:08 |
| _trine | should I delete them | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: sorry it seems to get late here, I'm actually out of good advice how to clean up a littered rootfs | 02:09 |
| alterego | Anyone know if there are any repos containing qt scene graph? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: no way, you'll kill your system by deleting those dirs | 02:09 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, no problem i understand I am tired too | 02:09 |
| _trine | can I ask you in the morning | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, yw | 02:10 |
| _trine | thanks | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, np | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: check /var/log/* | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything there is probably safe to delete | 02:11 |
| _trine | ok | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or better move to MyDocs or sth | 02:11 |
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| _trine | theres not much in /var/log | 02:12 |
| _trine | 5k | 02:12 |
| _trine | only | 02:12 |
| Arkenoi | ah. "instant messaing" in symbian anna is.. useless "microsoft communicator". which does not work even with msn. | 02:13 |
| Arkenoi | idiots. | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: then nm | 02:14 |
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| _trine | ok | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might have run into some hickup of microB or whatever, have installed some not optified pkgs, dunno. There's zillion of possibilities | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs much closed more detailed dissection | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not today though | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe tomorrow somebody jumps up shouting "there's an app for that" :-) | 02:16 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I could let you ssh into it in the morning if you have some time for me | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | might work | 02:17 |
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| _trine | I am ssh'ed into it now | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if I find the time though, let's talk about it tomorrow | 02:17 |
| _trine | ok thanks | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's a qt scene graph? | 02:33 |
| alterego | It's the next gen rendering pipeline/framework for Qt to render Qml | 02:34 |
| alterego | Currently the QPainter approach is pretty inefficient, the scene graph optimizes the OpenGL rendering process to make QML a _lot_ more sleek :) | 02:35 |
| alterego | But it also adds a hard dependency on OpenGL (& ES) 2.0 | 02:35 |
| alterego | So no software rendering, but still, wayland, qt scene graph & qml are pretty much the next big thing I'm waiting for :) | 02:36 |
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| alterego | Think I'll build it for my exo and N900 DE | 02:38 |
| alterego | And see if Stskeeps wants to give me a sneak preview of his wayland on N900 work | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: thanks for enlightening me | 02:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer just got a hickup when reading 'wayland' - no clue why | 02:40 | |
| alterego | Heh | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that I really knew what wayland is - might be freudian dementia | 02:40 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: uhm? huh? | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | uhm - huh? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Humm uh? | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Ah | 02:41 |
| Macer | the whole thing about the wiimote | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: I was answering an only peripherally related question to the hackability of the wii. | 02:41 |
| Macer | sorry. was playing lego pirates | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Namely tha tthe wiimote is seperately hackable. | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: 32 bit processor, bluetooth, accel, buttons | 02:42 |
| Macer | what would i do with that? :) | 02:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if wayland is somehow related to L.P. by any odd chance | 02:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Autopilot, ... | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's at very least explain why I got a motoric block to google wayland | 02:43 |
| Macer | autopilot? | 02:44 |
| Macer | what i am curious about is if there is an ssh app for wii | 02:44 |
| Macer | but considering the highest res is 420p it isnt worth it | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A device to guide planes. | 02:44 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: wayland is the X11 replacement .. | 02:45 |
| Macer | i dont do planes heh | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I seem to recall Raster explaining why any alternative concept to X is prone to fail | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you'll in the end be where you started | 02:45 |
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| alterego | Most people are backing wayland, soI don't think it'll fail | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, it will become a shiny duplicate of X, with all the same quirks | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it fails halfway to there | 02:47 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: i was talking more about the hb apps etc | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: yeah - I know | 02:48 |
| alterego | I don't think that's true at all | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I think there MUST be notorious L.P. involved in wayland | 02:48 |
| alterego | X is full of garbage and isn't optimized for currently graphics hardware. | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh well | 02:49 |
| alterego | It's almost archaic :P | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, like ALSA, while PA is so shiny cool and new and way better of course | 02:49 |
| alterego | Wayland is designed with current technology in mind, specifically hardware accelerated 2D/3D | 02:49 |
| alterego | PA isn't a replacement for alsa | 02:50 |
| alterego | They're two different things | 02:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer notices an insane desire for new concepts, just for the thrill of it, all over IT universe | 02:50 | |
| alterego | Well, I don't disagree with you there :P | 02:50 |
| alterego | But it's fun, and sometimes good things appear ;) | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | most pf the time more good things bitrot while crap replacing them | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't wayland an intermediary layer - one of which outputs may be X> | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess I might have misunderstood the presentation. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is it assuming it will always be running on hardware, with no other windowing system. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for the fun part: I'm using my PC to get work done, not for the fun of messing with new concepts to get those to do the things my last system was brilliant at | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the L.P. approach I learnt to hate | 02:53 |
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| alterego | &Wayland will be especially important on mobile devices, | 02:54 |
| alterego | X is just too big | 02:54 |
| * SpeedEvil lols. | 02:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | "hey, we don't really get how X works and why it doesn't things the way we like, so instead of fixing things or simply *learning* how to do things right with X, we better invent a new thing Y"" | 02:54 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his 486/25sx/6M laptop. | 02:54 | |
| alterego | I'd research Wayland befoe you say things like that :P | 02:55 |
| alterego | You have no idea the motivation behind it or the expertise of those developing it. | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you better show me where X11 sucks before you try to lure me into wayland | 02:55 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: which didn't have GPU | 02:55 |
| alterego | I'm not qualified :P | 02:56 |
| Macer | NO JOKE! I HAVE BEEN CHOSEN! CLICK HERE FOR FREE IPHONE! | 02:56 |
| alterego | All I know is what people have been telling me about the performance. | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I am, Raster educated me | 02:56 |
| alterego | And wayland is quicker :P | 02:57 |
| alterego | And quicker is better in my book | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure it is, as it doesn't have al the stuff built in *yet* that makes X11 work everywhere flawlessly since decades now | 02:57 |
| alterego | m'hmm .. | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you arguably could accelerate X11 as well by stripping it down to the bare bones | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and It probably still would be better than any new development that hadn't a chance to mature over decades | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | even when you strip it down | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be faster than whatever wayland or other stuff | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the moment wayland will be on par with X11 feature and security wise, it simply can not be any better than X11 | 03:00 |
| alterego | And you know enough about X11 to say this? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I learned by Raster making me think and do my own conclusions about how things work at the GFX front | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | afaik wayland was developed so you could control each frame | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | so it'd allow less dropped frames | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | of course, I love eye candy, but I still can't believe every major distro's dropping X | 03:01 |
| alterego | vsync is one of the benifits of wayland | 03:01 |
| alterego | Full compositing is also another. | 03:02 |
| alterego | ubuntu is, so it must be good :P | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that does what exactly? make wayland faster and leaner??? naah | 03:02 |
| alterego | It makes it more controllable and and predictable | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I have some way more attractive leisure stuff waiting for me than discussing another "we can do better than the old farts" issue | 03:03 |
| MohammadAG | aka better eye candy to the consumer | 03:03 |
| alterego | Besides it was developed by the DRI2 and AIGLX guy .. | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so o/ | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ubuntu adopting something means it must be good now? :P | 03:04 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: that was a joke :) | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | I realize that, hence the \:\P | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | escaped smileys ftw | 03:05 |
| alterego | nVidia has no plans to support wayand, that's a shame :) | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | more reason for me to stay with X :P | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, which companies are supporting it? | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | besides TI I guess | 03:06 |
| alterego | I think the benifits at least from my perspective are with mobility and media centric devices. | 03:06 |
| alterego | Intel | 03:06 |
| alterego | Removing the possibility of tearing? | 03:07 |
| alterego | Win | 03:07 |
| Macer | wtf is wayland? | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | Reducing game support? | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | you're a bit behind Macer | 03:07 |
| alterego | Why would it reduce game support? | 03:07 |
| alterego | OpenGL is still there. | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, a good GFX chip isn't | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | with all respect to intel, their chips don't really cut it for high end gaming | 03:08 |
| Macer | direct writing to the video hardware huh? | 03:09 |
| Macer | i stopped reading once i saw "meego" | 03:09 |
| Macer | hahahha | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 03:09 |
| Macer | alterego: according to wikipedia... a serious win | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | oh well, we'll see, new things don't always end up bad | 03:10 |
| alterego | They do if you're DocScrutinizer :P | 03:11 |
| Macer | tell that to christians | 03:11 |
| alterego | Hah | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:11 |
| alterego | Tell that to any religious nut :P | 03:11 |
| alterego | Don't single out Christians :P | 03:11 |
| alterego | Christianity is one of the newest religions :P | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if there's a DBus signal tied to alarms | 03:12 |
| Macer | alterego: which is why i picked it ;) | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | cause I'd love to remove the touch screen driver when my alarm sounds | 03:12 |
| Macer | sounded a little better than scientologists | 03:12 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: I'm sure there is | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | or probably the touch screen + mce | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | that way the only way to stop the alarm is to ssh in | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | or remove the battery | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, I can do the second while asleep | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: use alarmed "play-sound /dev/urandom" - also little chances to stop that with a few clicks | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you don't know me | 03:14 |
| jrayhawk | http://blip.tv/file/get/Linuxconfau-XAndTheFutureOfLinuxGraphics549.ogv for anyone not really familiar with why Wayland is a good idea | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know a solution to your roblem though :-P | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | I tried a 7.1 system, didn't help | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | waterhose and electromagnetic valve | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | can't do that in the next 5 minutes :p | 03:15 |
| Macer | opengl es.. no network tansparancy? | 03:16 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 03:16 |
| Macer | parency | 03:16 |
| alterego | Macer, you can get net transparency using xephyr .. | 03:16 |
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| Macer | a little curious about the opengl es stuff | 03:18 |
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| User1042 | hello! | 03:19 |
| Macer | i would think opengl es would be a tad bit on the lacking side | 03:19 |
| Macer | but then again.. who plays games nowadays? | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, having a good GPU helps sometimes | 03:20 |
| Macer | isn't opengles missing certain instructions? | 03:20 |
| Macer | i always assumed gles was more so for portable devices and a stripped down ver of opengl | 03:20 |
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| troulouliou | hi for unknow reason the button that allow me to disable wifi has disepear in the bar menu | 03:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hello! I get SMSs from an online service. | 04:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | These all come from the same number. Is there a way to have different notifications for different strings in the SMS? | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, my T900 is on pinkdots | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I consider producing a proper header for the video and applying for the next award for experimental art | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see if OVI takes the 244MB .mp4 :-P | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd *love* to share with you - made me LOL | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I bet OVI will blow chunks | 05:01 |
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| GAN900 | A friend of mine started turning his PDFs into PCM streams and "listening" to research papers at work. | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean text-speech? | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Or has he gone strange? | 05:22 |
| GAN900 | No, just placing a PCM header at the top of the file. | 05:24 |
| GAN900 | and listening to the raw data stream. | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 05:25 |
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| b-man` | lol | 05:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maybe he's just better than us, and can parse PDF. | 05:29 |
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| * timeless_xchat is so happy noy having to worry about data fees | 05:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:34 |
| * timeless_xchat kicks n900 camera | 05:36 | |
| timeless_xchat | "night mode" should mean *no* flash ... | 05:36 |
| * timeless_xchat snaps a couple of shots of the CN Tower for comparison w/ the n8 | 05:37 | |
| timeless_xchat | ~seen andre__ | 05:39 |
| infobot | andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11h 40m 19s ago, saying: 'argh. I knew it!!!'. | 05:39 |
| timeless_xchat | how's CSSU doing? | 05:40 |
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| jpinx | could anyone please give me the link to the PCSuite download for an XP I want to connect to my n900.. thanks, it is reall difficult to google in the n900 using deadslow gprs :( | 05:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Ovi_Suite_webinstaller_ALL.exe I think | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/product-support/pc-suites/compatibility-and-download#31 is the page in question | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It's however 87M | 05:54 |
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| jpinx | thamks SpeedEvil ... I will try to get it and hope the download auto resumes | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | No fixed net at all? | 05:57 |
| timeless_xchat | try wget? | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Wifi? | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I suspect hte webinstaller may want to download more. | 05:57 |
| timeless_xchat | the browser is unlikely to resume | 05:57 |
| jpinx | 89711KBs :( here goes | 05:57 |
| timeless_xchat | it wasn't something we tested thoroughly | 05:58 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: no wifi here ( remote in thailand mountains) | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx: Ah. | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx: What are you wanting to do with the pc-suite? | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if windows will recognise the n900 as a mass storage device if you just plug it in. | 05:59 |
| krayon | SpeedEvil: It does if you select mass storage mode but I think it only gives you access to /home/user/MyDocs then | 06:00 |
| jpinx | I need the n900 to let me use the laptop keyboard and screen | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think pc-suite does that does it? | 06:00 |
| timeless_xchat | it should... | 06:00 |
| timeless_xchat | there's probably a modem driver download which would be tiny... | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Or do you mean for tethering? | 06:00 |
| * timeless_xchat hates the term "tethering" | 06:01 | |
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| jpinx | I already can access the filesystem by mass storage device, but I need to havea browser in them XPlaptop online | 06:01 |
| timeless_xchat | different groups use it to mean different things | 06:01 |
| timeless_xchat | so... you don't need pcsuite for that | 06:02 |
| timeless_xchat | one approach is to install BT DUN on your n900 | 06:02 |
| timeless_xchat | much much tinier | 06:02 |
| jpinx | I suppose I want the n900 as a modem | 06:02 |
| jpinx | timeless_xchat: what is that? | 06:03 |
| timeless_xchat | there should be a download on nokia.com for a usb modem driver | 06:03 |
| timeless_xchat | does your PC have bluetooth? | 06:03 |
| jpinx | can you link me to that download please? | 06:04 |
| jpinx | I use the nokia usb cable... not bluetooth | 06:05 |
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| timeless_xchat | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking is one approach that might work... | 06:09 |
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| timeless_xchat | cool, that page explains why my mac was constantly growing usb ethernet interfaces each time it met my n900 | 06:12 |
| hiemanshu | if only everyone used linux, you would have it working OOB :D | 06:12 |
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| timeless_xchat | um | 06:13 |
| timeless_xchat | nothing works OOB w/ Linux :) | 06:13 |
| jpinx | timeless_xchat: that page does not fix my problem | 06:14 |
| timeless_xchat | take my exopc for instance | 06:14 |
| timeless_xchat | it doesn't support usb sticks OOB | 06:14 |
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| timeless_xchat | (usb keyboard required and not included) | 06:14 |
| jpinx | timeless_xchat: do you have a link for me for that bto** whatever it was ? | 06:15 |
| jpinx | BT DUn ? | 06:16 |
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| jpinx | I don't see it in the applications list | 06:18 |
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| jpinx | anyone able to help here please? or am I in the wrong timezone ;) | 06:21 |
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| timeless_xchat | it's in extras-devel at least | 06:23 |
| jpinx | I have an XP laptop, a n900 with nokia usb cable and a gprs connection. Iwant theN900 to act as a modem for the XPlaptop | 06:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | At least on linux - you can do this by just selecting 'pc suite' mode - and then setting the n900 up as a modem. | 06:24 |
| krayon | jpinx: You could probably create a SOCKS proxy on the N900 using ssh but that's probably not the ideal solution. | 06:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how you'd tell XP to do this though. | 06:25 |
| jpinx | krayon: is that workable with XP? | 06:25 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: which takes me back to downloading 87Mbs of PCsuite over grps :( | 06:26 |
| SpeedEvil | There has to be a way to get just an '.inf' file (are they still called this? | 06:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a 'standard' 3g modem | 06:27 |
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| krayon | jpinx: I dunno, I don't do Windows, but I think PuTTY can do that. | 06:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: I'm no winman, but for all I know you have to: #)connect N900 to XP #) select pc-suite mode #) on XP create new device GPRS-modem | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work OOTB | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: N900 should act exactly like arbitrary other USB-GPRS-modem dongles | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the thing with "number: *99#" etc...) | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | Finally getting out of California. | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | all just hearsay, but seems close enough to what you'd expect it to work like | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's wrong with california? | 06:36 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's cold, expensive, full of collectivists, and I want to be home. | 06:37 |
| GAN900 | Been here since Saturday before last. | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | cold?? :-o | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems we finally managed to messed up climate fubar. Nice to see it hits where the cause been. </sarcasm> | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: this seems to work so naturally most of the time, you hardly find any howto about it | 06:40 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it was 34C when I took off for CA. | 06:41 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, all that scientific evidence is pretty overwhelming, eh? | 06:42 |
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| GAN900 | Funny when science becomes religion. | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | even more funny when dogmatism and religion replaces science | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to forget the massive industrial and political interests | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard you first time got >100 tornadoes concurrently this year, over there. Isn't this a reason to reconsider? | 06:44 |
| GAN900 | Yes, the irony in your first statement is golden. | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's been slightly different numbers, I just didn't follow anymore, as "meh USA" | 06:45 |
| GAN900 | The environmental interests have so politicized the issue nobody on either side can see it rationally anymore. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, funny, I feel the same about the EU. *g* | 06:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 06:46 | |
| GAN900 | Politicized science is politicized science, whether it agrees with your particular world view or not. | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact it stops to be science | 06:47 |
| GAN900 | Bingo | 06:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, a country where 50(?)% believe the world is 6800 years old, and Norwegian fjords aren't made by Slatibartfas but by a man with a similar long white beard.... :-x | 06:49 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, polls like that are pretty meaningless | 06:50 |
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| GAN900 | and don't try to claim there aren't plenty of idiots anywhere you go | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | or that the US is the worst of the bunch | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least they explain how wino clowns that believe they hear God's voice each morning on the phone can get US-president | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | I submit the EU and its collective penchance for collectivism as a fine example. | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | Ah, yes, political charicatures. | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | I can tell it's time for the nausea meds again. :( | 06:52 |
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| * GAN900 goes to buy a bottle of water. | 06:52 | |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for OVI upload (aka 'share') finally blows chunks and aborts with "unknown error" @ 230 of 244MB | 06:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict penchance | 07:02 |
| infobot | could not find definition for penchance | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~spell penchance | 07:02 |
| infobot | possible spellings for penchance: pen chance pen-chance perchance penance penchant penchants penchant's Pynchon's | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, penchant seems to fit | 07:03 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 07:03 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: my XP does not see any device when I connect in PCsuite mode | 07:03 |
| GAN900 | infobot fail. | 07:03 |
| infobot | FAIL. | 07:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: that's a bit strange but not a real obstacle I guess. Last time I touched a redmond borne OS, it had that hw wizard that allowed to create new devices by selecting from a list. Maybe that helps. There are laso some .inf or dunno "config" files that help in autodetecting new devices and the right drivers for them | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: try creating a new modem, type USB subtype GPRS | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly you might get generic advice from a true windows user rather than me | 07:07 |
| SpeedEvil | penchance is the likelyhood of the stylus being in the hole. | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | also <i>vulg.</i> ;-) | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there any way to get a proper percentage or absolute MB value from that "sharing" system applet dialog? | 07:12 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: XP sees the n900 but wants the software to add it | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | or can sb tell me how long that (blue) bar will grow until reaching 100%? | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: tell XP it's a usual USB modem | 07:13 |
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| * DocScrutinizer starts to swear as in 15min his DSL will disconnect and upload of those 244MB to OVI will inevitably stall and fail then :-S | 07:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't expect it to finish until then | 07:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't it incredible there's still no video editing app on N900, to split/trim/join .mp4 recorded by the camera? | 07:18 |
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| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but it appears that my XP will not do that | 07:28 |
| * jpinx has XP home pre-installed ... and in spanish :) | 07:29 | |
| wblaze | jpinx: good god why | 07:30 |
| jpinx | why what? | 07:31 |
| wblaze | xp home | 07:31 |
| jpinx | that is what it came with ... cheap eeepc | 07:31 |
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| wblaze | ah | 07:32 |
| jpinx | the objective is to install debian on it, but that is going to be a painful network install over gprs | 07:33 |
| wblaze | it'll run win7 quite nicely too | 07:33 |
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| jpinx | maybe but I am developing a bad rash from trying to get XP to work ;) | 07:34 |
| jpinx | allergy to MS :) | 07:34 |
| wblaze | haha | 07:34 |
| jpinx | wblaze: so any suggestions ow to sort it will be greatly appreciated. but the n900 on gprs is my only connection to the internet from here | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ the 244MB upload didn't abort, it simply started at 0% again after reconnect of my DSL - WAAAAAHAHA | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | this OVI sharing service on maemo is really smart and great *cough* | 07:36 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: be glad it wasn't over gprs :P | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually my 3G is way faster than the DSL upstream | 07:37 |
| wblaze | jpinx: no clue, and unfortunately no xp machines left here - I am curious now too | 07:37 |
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| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: 2G here :( | 07:38 |
| wblaze | jpinx: but, didn't that eeepc come with wifi? | 07:38 |
| wblaze | tether that way? | 07:39 |
| jpinx | wblaze: no wifi siganl for 100 kms of me :) | 07:39 |
| wblaze | no | 07:39 |
| wblaze | connect to the phone with wifi | 07:39 |
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| jpinx | wblaze: please elaborate | 07:40 |
| wblaze | sec, looking for link capable of explaining properly | 07:41 |
| jpinx | k | 07:41 |
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| wblaze | jpinx: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org | 07:44 |
| jpinx | thanks :) looking.... | 07:44 |
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| jpinx | ouch... that looks drastic | 07:46 |
| jpinx | No way can I risk crashing the n900 | 07:46 |
| wblaze | it does, more than I expected... only saw the description previously | 07:47 |
| wblaze | turns the n900 into a wireless ap | 07:47 |
| jpinx | is there not a way to do the smame more simply overthe usb cable connnection? | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: http://www.infdump.com/download-inf-files_new.php/inffiles/W/wpdmtp.inf/5.2.0.0/download.html try this | 07:50 |
| wblaze | joiku.com seems to have a (inexpensive, not free) easier solution for wifi | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmpf seems there's a download error on that link, sorry | 07:51 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: what is that? | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | supposed to be the mentioned .inf file to make XP recognise the N900 as a usual USB-modem | 07:52 |
| jpinx | ah ok ... but download fails :( | 07:53 |
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| jpinx | or is it that textfile thatcomes up in the browser? | 07:54 |
| * jpinx saved it | 07:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: alternative method: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows >>(actually MADDE for Windows is not required, but just files maemo_usbnet.inf and maemo_usbnet.cat for installation network device Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget). | 08:02 |
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| jpinx | are those files available seperately? | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: what's your system? XP SP2? | 08:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wblaze: hotspot eating battery like mad | 08:18 |
| wblaze | DocScrutinizer: if you use hotspot, odds are you're near enough to a power source | 08:19 |
| wblaze | and usually takes fewer driver installs to use | 08:20 |
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| Termana | good morning | 08:25 |
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| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: I gave u and got the PCsuite donloaded and working mow ... thanks for the help | 11:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: good. Nice it works for you now :-) | 11:54 |
| jpinx | thanks a lot for the poingters,,, we live anmd learn ;) | 11:54 |
| jpinx | currently installing new antivirus on the XPlaptop ready to start getting debian downloading, all thanks to gprs2.5 on the N900 | 11:56 |
| jpinx | only question is what will happen when I get a phonecall during the download :/ | 11:57 |
| ThreeM | call yourself and test it ;) | 11:58 |
| jpinx | heh | 11:59 |
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| moomin | yo | 12:00 |
| moomin | is there a flashlight program that doesnt blow? | 12:00 |
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| moomin | flashlight-extra just causes an extra 200 wakeups per second | 12:01 |
| moomin | is there some dbus command or or somthing i can use instead? | 12:02 |
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| * Arkenoi tries to figure out WHAT causes my n900 to be several times slower than it was. RAM and swap usage is quite low, as well as cpu, but every user action causes it to lag and load indicator to raise for serveral seconds. Top io is claimed by "innocent" programs like hildon-status-menu, telepathy-gabble and rtcomm-call-ui, | 12:06 | |
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| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: -b mr_jrt!*@* | 12:20 | |
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| RST38h | Texas Instruments announces multi-core, 1.8GHz OMAP4470 ARM processor for Windows 8 | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Good moorning all | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: A Russian computer programmer who believed that spending the night buried alive would bring him good luck didn't survive the subterranean ritual. | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | And, finally: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/the-oh-sh_t-moment-that-nokia-decided-to-abandon-meego/ | 12:30 |
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| Termana | RST38h, that is just a bunch of bullshit sprayed out of the CDOs mouth, frankly. | 12:32 |
| divan | How does reverse ssh connection works in smscon? Did anyone use it? | 12:32 |
| Termana | "We are only going to release three MeeGo phones by the end of 2014" "oh shit... I know the solution, let's change to Windows Phone 7!" | 12:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea... | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Termana: Who knows | 12:34 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh well, hopefully Intel'll come out with a decent offering before I have to give up my n900 | 12:34 |
| robbiethe1st | and heck, with an intel proc I'd be able to run nice fast Wine and old Windows games! | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Termana: It is also quite possible that he has been purposedly making it look worse than it was | 12:35 |
| RST38h | He did say a clear "no" about Nokia's buyout by MS | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, M$ earning $$$$$ from *android* (I heard [citation needed]) - so who's foolish enough to think one of Elop's premises been to make sure Nokia doesn't grow up to compete? | 12:57 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:06 |
| lardman | I just read something about Elop saying he wouldn't confirm a tablet is being developed.... | 13:07 |
| lardman | or was I dreaming? | 13:07 |
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| GAN900 | Woo, ATL. | 13:08 |
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| Venemo | morning | 13:09 |
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| lardman | http://www.nasa.gov/topics/aeronautics/features/big_picture_facet.html is quite interesting | 13:14 |
| lardman | totally OT mind you | 13:14 |
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| lardman | lol @ khertan's comment in the TMO script kiddle thread | 13:22 |
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| joga | divan, I've tried the reverse ssh in smscon, seemed to work fine | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: eat | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | n | 13:29 |
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| tito_ | \o/ | 13:32 |
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| divan | joga, yes, I've succeeded too. But it wasn't clear enough on which port it starts listening. It's 8080. | 13:46 |
| divan | should be in wiki, I guess. | 13:47 |
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| GAN900 | There's a Krystal burger across from my gate. Q_Q | 13:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | The number of phone calls I get can be guessed from this. | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | While wandering around websites on the computer - the n900 rang. | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Right next to me. I started trying to work out which website was making the noise, and diddn't find it before the phone stopped. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you wondered what's that strange sound? | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I only dound out due to the missed call. | 13:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - for some reason the sound I picked changed. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 13:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders to use netstat to find out if that's still the upload to vimeo that makes the switch flash, or if that frigging upload stalled since hours and sth worse is going on | 14:00 | |
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| BCMM | how do i flash the n900 when it wants to bootloop? | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hold 'u' | 14:07 |
| BCMM | thanks | 14:09 |
| BCMM | finally found the bit of hte troubleshooting i've been missing | 14:09 |
| BCMM | i suppose my next question is how to make fcam work with power kernel WITHOUT causing a bootloop... | 14:09 |
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| mr_jrt | ...so yeah. Sorry all for the timeouts. My connction is rock solid, and it's only IRC with issues, so I suspect it's my router's NAT sessions timing out, thus the server pings not getting through to my client. I think. :S | 14:17 |
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| BCMM | mr_jrt: so are you going through some server somewhere? or do you have a domain name for your house? | 14:21 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | hey guys | 14:36 |
| Chibi-Taiga | question | 14:36 |
| Chibi-Taiga | how is this nitdroid? | 14:36 |
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| edheldil | Chibi-Taiga: see $title ;-) | 14:37 |
| Chibi-Taiga | uhm kay... | 14:37 |
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| lardman | Chibi-Taiga: rubbish | 14:41 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mustn't that read "stay clear"? | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe "keep (n900) clear" | 14:47 |
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| BCMM | another debian newbies question... i have used /etc/apt/preferences to give -testing priority over -devel. how can i override that for a single package? | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | =version ? | 14:50 |
| lardman | hmm, that Bloomberg article about Nokia seems very anti-Europe, is that standard fare from Bloomberg? | 14:50 |
| chibi-taiga | uhm | 14:50 |
| lardman | no doubt it makes some valid points, but still | 14:51 |
| chibi-taiga | about aircrack | 14:51 |
| lardman | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | bloomberg? | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 14:51 |
| chibi-taiga | what pliugins do ineed | 14:51 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: not sure i understand... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | reasonable the injection driver for WLAN? | 14:51 |
| BCMM | i was hoping there was a config file that could say "always get the latest version of FOO from whatever reop" | 14:52 |
| chibi-taiga | well im sing an n900 | 14:52 |
| chibi-taiga | using | 14:52 |
| chibi-taiga | and installed aircrack | 14:52 |
| chibi-taiga | but what more do i need to run ir | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: if it's same version in -test and -dev then it doesn't matter - otherwise specify version | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | airodump I'd guess | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | comes with aircrack | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | latest version allegedly has a flaw in packaging, or sth | 14:54 |
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| chibi-taiga | is it called like that in app manager? | 15:00 |
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| Venemo | I've just had my daily laugh on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1020869#post1020869 | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: Oct 2010?? | 15:27 |
| lardman | ? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | bloomberg article | 15:27 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps it's the wrong one then | 15:27 |
| lardman | engadget was commenting on some recent (I thought) article | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not ;-P | 15:28 |
| lardman | quite :) | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I can't really find much anti-EU in it. I'm rather afraid it's quite to the point | 15:29 |
| lardman | ah well, perhaps it was just me then | 15:29 |
| lardman | I should have just taken the day off ;) | 15:30 |
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| cehteh | meeh .. when plugging a headphone in too slowly, the n900 thinks it has to activate video out | 15:30 |
| cehteh | which makes a terribly noise | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | suggesting Nokia should move to CA is bold, but that's how big business happens | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: duh, you got no day off today? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the great jetpack day! | 15:31 |
| lardman | no, I'm in because someone was supposed to be picking something up, but I've heard nothing | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | also booze day I heard ;-) | 15:32 |
| cehteh | haha | 15:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, I quite fancy a pint | 15:33 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium | 15:34 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: I'm joining the middle of the conversation thread. Who is suggesting Nokia should move to California (or Canada)? | 15:34 |
| cehteh | nokia is right on track to move to nirvana | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | california, and bloomberg http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm | 15:35 |
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| billmania | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. | 15:35 |
| _trine | is there anyway to speed up application manager and its enormous waiting period the n900 has between each application you want to install | 15:35 |
| cehteh | _trine: disable extras and other repos you dont need | 15:36 |
| cehteh | or use fapman and ignore the people crying about it | 15:36 |
| _trine | ah is that the reason thanks | 15:36 |
| _trine | whats fapman | 15:36 |
| cehteh | faster application manager | 15:37 |
| _trine | is it an app | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible - I can't watch YT vids as my UPstream is @ 99% | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes _trine , an app (manager) with potential to mess up your system | 15:39 |
| _trine | oh | 15:39 |
| GAN900 | Woo, TPA. | 15:40 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have just reflashed my n900 and am starting over again installing my apps | 15:40 |
| _trine | I thought it was probably the best way to proceed after last night | 15:41 |
| lardman | GAN900: you back home now? | 15:41 |
| GAN900 | Very nearly | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: there's a trick I'd really like to implement eventually: backup app, when restoring, knows how to invoke HAM in a way you can tag multiple apps and install in one step | 15:41 |
| GAN900 | Just need to be driven across the bay. | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas you'd need a "backup" file that has all the existing apps as "installed", so you could make use of this feature | 15:42 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, that would be a really nice feature | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, for your previously installed apps backup works like a charm, compared to manually selecting and installing each one in HAM | 15:44 |
| lardman | GAN900: not the bay with the fog I take it? | 15:45 |
| _trine | when I have redone everything can you instruct me on how to do that? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | restoring a backup? that's pretty easy | 15:46 |
| _trine | and can you restore all the apps though | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably you should do it now, rather than later - given you cared to do a backup prior to wiping your device | 15:46 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, well would that not just back up this new install | 15:47 |
| _trine | at the moment nothing much is installed | 15:48 |
| _trine | I am just starting to redo it | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm suggesting a restore of a backup done prior to wiping | 15:48 |
| _trine | I do have anther N900 though which does have all the apps working on it | 15:48 |
| _trine | could I back that up and restore it to this other one | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so do a backup there, copy the backup file to this device, and restore it | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes :-D | 15:49 |
| _trine | will it do all the apps | 15:49 |
| _trine | oh | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:49 |
| _trine | wow | 15:49 |
| _trine | this will save me lots of time | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:50 |
| _trine | can you tell me how to do it | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the avrg turnaround time of HAM is like 5min | 15:50 |
| _trine | it is | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy | 15:50 |
| _trine | I have the working phone ready | 15:51 |
| _trine | in my hand | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | start backup app, create a full backup - preferably to uSD | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | backup "all", you can deselect subgroups (like settings) during restore | 15:52 |
| _trine | I am trying to find the backup app | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then, when backup finished, move the uSD to "empty" phone | 15:53 |
| _trine | is backup on the phone or on the computer | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | now the catch: first do a backup on new phone, so you got a copy of the virgin state | 15:54 |
| _trine | is it part of the nokia pc suite | 15:54 |
| _trine | or an app on the phone | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | (on the phone, under apps) | 15:54 |
| _trine | ok | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only after you created a backup of your new phone's empty state, you start restore (also in backup app) and select the backup from uSD&old-phone to restore from | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | general rule: no restore without doing a backup of previous state immediately prior to it | 15:56 |
| frals | anyone watched the interview with elop from D9 posted over at nokconv? | 15:56 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have started the backup app but nothing lets me press anything | 15:58 |
| _trine | none of the buttons work | 15:58 |
| _trine | maybe I should reboot it | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hacker's hint regarding backup app: take care, you can't distinguish files from uSD from those from MyNokia, so make sure you choose proper unique names | 15:59 |
| _trine | ah | 15:59 |
| _trine | now I know what happened | 15:59 |
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| _trine | I had it plugged into the usb connector | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hacker's hint regarding installing / restoring: NEVER do that while device is in mass storage mode | 16:00 |
| _trine | the good phone is now backing up | 16:00 |
| _trine | it has backed up now | 16:01 |
| _trine | which was very quick | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: btw that *might* explain what happened to your 'bad' phone, if you installed apps while device been in mass storage mode | 16:01 |
| _trine | could be | 16:02 |
| _trine | probab;y was | 16:02 |
| _trine | the backup seems quite small | 16:02 |
| _trine | 2.4 meg | 16:02 |
| _trine | does that sound correct | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it has none of the binaries, just a list which ones to download and install | 16:03 |
| _trine | now I have this what do i do to transfer this to my other phone | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 2.4M sounds correct | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you selected "storage: card" then just take the card and plug it to the bad phone | 16:04 |
| _trine | I didnt but I will do that now | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should doublecheck you've not written the backup to "phone" (= MyNokia) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | err MyDocs | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 16:05 |
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| korhojoa | hay guys | 16:12 |
| korhojoa | anyone know how to get the n900 to uh. 'rescan' upnp servers? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | grass korhojoa | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | never knew it did | 16:13 |
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| korhojoa | grass? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, heard about it, but seems I got none here | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | grass is fresh hay | 16:13 |
| korhojoa | well. my interpretation pales in comparison | 16:14 |
| _trine | doc why would I have a picture of the memory card next to the signal strength indicator at the top of my screen which has a red line through it | 16:14 |
| korhojoa | it's not the memory card, it's the SIM card | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik SIM | 16:15 |
| _trine | ah that explains that then | 16:15 |
| BCMM | _trine: that means there is no SIM card | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:17 |
| BCMM | by the way, does the n900 make emergency calls without a SIM? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has a FCC cert | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | should even skip device lock code query to do 911 calls, aiui | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never checked if it's compliant to this rule | 16:18 |
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| _trine | If I dont reinstall the setting what will that mean | 16:19 |
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| _trine | what are the settings it refers to | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, some of the customizations will stay at original state, like *maybe* mail accounts, wallpapers, dunno what exactly | 16:20 |
| _trine | ok | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can restore those on a second pass, and also can revert them to the state saved to your "virgin-backup" I suggested ;-) | 16:21 |
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| lardman | catch you all later | 16:21 |
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| divan0 | can't get smscon to work.. The phone receives sms-messages with commands and nothing happens, while smscon seems to be running and configured... | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: working? | 16:33 |
| divan0 | BTW, I thought the commands sms will be intercepted by smscon and attacker will not see it.. | 16:33 |
| divan0 | s/attacker/thief/ | 16:33 |
| infobot | divan0 meant: BTW, I thought the commands sms will be intercepted by smscon and thief will not see it.. | 16:33 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, yes its reinstalling now :) | 16:35 |
| _trine | it will take a while I think | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the select table with all apps is nice, isn't it? | 16:36 |
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| _trine | I only saw 4 different options applications settings and 2 others | 16:37 |
| _trine | were there submenus to those? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | at some point you can deselect particular apps in your backup to exclude them from restoring | 16:38 |
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| _trine | ah yes it did say right at the beginning after I started th backup | 16:40 |
| _trine | at that point there was a list | 16:41 |
| _trine | it is very nice to be able to do this. I had previously used this app to backup but because of the size of the backup I presumed wrongly that it was only for settings etc | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (restore apps) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 alas only *# there, could be more | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course all private queries closed :-/ | 16:51 |
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| rd | Has anybody tried to do an jabber/xmpp call between a n900 and android? | 17:20 |
| rd | My sister has an android Nexus S....but I cannot see the voice or video option for jabber in the n900, when opening here contact. | 17:21 |
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| Macer | does anybody here use some stereo bt headphones with the n900? | 17:46 |
| Macer | i've never used them before and was wondering if they even worked :) | 17:46 |
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| Macer | does it even support a2dp? | 17:46 |
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| Appiah | it should | 17:47 |
| Macer | ok. just checking | 17:48 |
| Macer | i want to use my n900 to go running with but i learned today that the wire is not cool heh | 17:49 |
| Macer | plus i need something that clips onto my ears a little better | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: If you find some nice ones, tell me. | 17:49 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: believe it or not a while back i had some nice ones (when they worked) | 17:50 |
| Macer | some no name brand | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I found that the right sized earpieces worked well. | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping | 17:50 |
| Macer | but they just stopped working on me all of a sudden | 17:50 |
| rcg | Macer: i used my n900 with nokia bh-504 | 17:50 |
| Macer | rcg: heh. those look awesome but they look horrible for running ;) | 17:51 |
| Appiah | searching on maemo talk | 17:51 |
| Appiah | looks like alot of people using it | 17:51 |
| rcg | Macer: heh, yeah.. for running those are _probably_ not that good ;) | 17:51 |
| Macer | rcg: i can see my sweat filling up the padded earmuffs hahaha | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd actually like the existing headphones for running. | 17:52 |
| Macer | that's gross ;) | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Terminating in a little medallion shaped thing. | 17:52 |
| rcg | lol | 17:52 |
| Macer | i swear tho. i went to best buy one day and found the biggest no name ones you could buy | 17:52 |
| Macer | for $40 | 17:52 |
| Macer | and they were absolutely awesome.. super amplified.. then i dropped them a few times and other stuff and they stopped working :( | 17:53 |
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| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-S10-HD-Bluetooth-Headphones-Packaging/dp/B004BHCSQC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1307026448&sr=8-2 | 17:54 |
| Macer | wow those look seriously uncomfortable haha | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not really great reviews from some. | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tefal-ActiFry-Low-Electric-Fryer/product-reviews/B000T76UOE/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 - was some of the most mixed reviews I found for an appliance. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 'great - until it catches fire' was the general theme. | 17:57 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: "offline_access"? What would it do? | 18:09 |
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| BCMM | what's that app that lets you configure which status area applets are shown? | 18:14 |
| BCMM | (without actually uninstalling them) | 18:14 |
| alterego | vim? | 18:15 |
| alterego | Sorry, vi? | 18:16 |
| alterego | :) | 18:16 |
| BCMM | no, vim is the correct answer | 18:16 |
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| BCMM | but i recall their being a GUI for it | 18:17 |
| BCMM | see, FM Carkit is useful, on occasion, but annoying when i don't want it | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pong | 18:21 |
| alterego | Hrm, this is where context awareness comes in : | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: Sony HBH-DS220 BT stereo hs, works just fine | 18:23 |
| jpinx-not-here | DocScrutinizer: fwiw PCSuite seriously messes with some of the simple basic functions like file transfer | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | very occasionally a short dropout, might be interference as well | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: never seen "an app for that" | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 going batshit psycho: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/spontaneousArt_madBatShit_20110602_001.mp4 | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | (comes with cool blairwitch proj style camra ;-P) | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | no overdubs, all live | 18:28 |
| vldcnst | weird stuff | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, and now a nice little DSL outage | 18:39 |
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| Strahlex | hi | 18:45 |
| Strahlex | can someone please help me | 18:46 |
| Strahlex | ??? | 18:47 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have been trying to find PyQt but there only seems to be a version for PR 1.2 | 18:52 |
| _trine | I need one for PR 1.3 | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: there are devels way more familiar with that topic than me, sorry | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | short: dunno | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | did somebody help Strahlex by kicking him? X-P | 18:57 |
| _trine | I found it just after I asked as sods law would predict | 18:57 |
| _trine | apt-get install python2.5-qt4-gui | 18:57 |
| _trine | sorry | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can somebody help me with (OT): | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jun 2 04:35:07 lagrange sshd[11460]: subsystem request for sftp | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jun 2 04:38:54 lagrange sshd[11460]: channel 0: rcvd big packet 32797, maxpack 32768 | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( did an sftp transfer [upload] at that time, obviously) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MTU in ifconfig, or what? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, MTU is 1500 | 19:00 |
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| ShadowJK | it's unrelated to mtu for sure | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MTU however is for packet sniplets, not for recombined split packets, no? | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (had this line like "...is repeated 87656 times") | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | spamming my log | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there an extant ssh connection? | 19:16 |
| _trine | Thanks DocScrutinizer for the tip about backing up it works very well | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: yw | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: extant? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | existant? | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | a currently existing connection at the time of the error. | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I upped that badshit-crazy video (244MB) to my server | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | via sftp | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd question if those are tcp packets | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB there were almost 4min flawless transfer | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | As an aside - IPV6 supports packets up to 4 gig. | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's IPv4 limit? | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ~65536 bytes | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't remember if it's +-40 or so | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | this diff of 29 bytes looks suspicious | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of any limit | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1500 of course ethernet limits are common | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, not applicable here | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sshd incompatibilities? | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd suspect sshd | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I've no idea. | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | buffersize +/- TCP header or sth? | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice - it seems vanisningly unlikely you're seeing packets that large on your link. | 19:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though I'd start up tcpdump, and try again, if you seem to have found a trigger activity. | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | recombined backets for sftp though... | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | because a program usually can't figure out the mtu size through normal APIs, so to actually make/break on mtu would be quite spectacular | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | wireshark is it, I guess, then | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | and you couldn't push 32k mtu over internet in any case | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd question it's packets - say - not link-level packets | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | that is - inside the sshd protocol. | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | As a silly comment - you have googled the error? | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it's most likely sshd packets :P | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: MTU is 1500 anyway | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | at both ends | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | here even a few less | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (here is remote end from server log's PoV) | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks | 19:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer <--- noob | 19:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.sshtools.info/re-sshd-rcvd-big-packet to whom it may concern | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed a bug known since Linus seen first teletype | 19:35 |
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| stef_204 | hi, noob here. my device is giving me "cannot install" applications, not enough space left. My partitions: RootFS: 60 MBs free; home: 86 MB's free and MyDocs: 26 GB's free | 19:37 |
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| stef_204 | It makes no sense for me to have 26 GB's on the MyDocs when I really don't need that much. On the other hand, woiuld be nice to be able to use some of the 26 GB's free space for aps. Any way to do that safely? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241093 >>Bug 241093 - Uploading big files with SFTP KIO slave yields error/warning in server-side sshd log<< | 19:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/241093 was not found. | 19:39 |
| povbot | Bug 241093: was not found. | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stef_204: see... | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 19:41 |
| infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 19:41 |
| stef_204 | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks | 19:41 |
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| stef_204 | 2nd link is a regular Linux/Unix filesystem page. 1st link is unfortunately empty, nothing on page | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stef_204: 2GB should be more than enough, unless your /home/user/* got filled with stuff, or a poorly packaged app decided to load huge amounts of *data* to /opt (aka /home/(.*\/)*/opt | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 19:44 |
| stef_204 | let me recheck my /opt | 19:44 |
| stef_204 | sorry, my irc client had included the comma at the end of the link so page reference was wrong | 19:46 |
| stef_204 | just noticed that and removed the comma. I'm on page now | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs WFM | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stef_204: first half of infobot 's factoid is about "what is" optification, all after ", or" is what things *should* be instead | 19:52 |
| stef_204 | ok | 19:52 |
| divan0 | http://skype-open-source.blogspot.com/2011/06/skype-protocol-reverse-engineered.html - maybe someone is interested | 19:57 |
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| arvut | hello all, is there a way to list (and/or uninstall) all pakages that has been downloaded from extra-devel? Accidently installed a certain devel package when I was less experienced in the world of linux =) | 20:42 |
| arvut | found a thread about x.org eating all cpu, logging too much and hildon randomly freezes in the maemo5 forum, which pointed me to think that it was advanced-power that messed up the x.org (I can't tell cause I haven't got it installed, even though the name rings a bell) | 20:45 |
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| divan0 | arvut, on debian/ubuntu there is a tool called apt-show-versions, but seems it's not ported to Maemo yet.. | 20:59 |
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| BCMM | is there any way to access SMSs stored on the SIM card? (by an older phone) | 21:01 |
| BCMM | (on an n900) | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | divan0: sounds interestinf, though the skype protocol got dissected years ago, on a blackhat conf. Still got the slides somewhere. The problem is you can't join the original skype network with a RE'd client, as there are cryptokeys all over, and central servers to authenticate clients | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Not fully dissected | 21:06 |
| BCMM | arvut: aptitude can do that; don't know if there are any caveats to using aptitude on an n900 | 21:09 |
| arvut | DocScrutinizer: that sound highly interestinf too 0.O could you perhaps name these slides or upload them somewhere? | 21:10 |
| arvut | aptitude has never worked on my phone, get sigsev when I try it. installed it more than once | 21:11 |
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| * arvut just reinstalled this advanced-power app, as its not in devel anymor. however, x.org is still llgging like crazy and eating 13-70% cpu.. *wonders if a reflash is the next move* someone did mention learning to debug, which could be worth a try :) | 21:18 | |
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| arvut | hildon-desktop has gone insane too :P | 21:19 |
| arvut | 13% cpu, and all the widgets are now gone | 21:20 |
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| arvut | gonna reboot and see if that restores em, I do have backups after all | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you watched the movie of my T900 (GFXcore?) going apeshit? | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | would like to hear some other thoughts about what happened there | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas 244MB | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.makanipower.com/ - I was looking at. tethered wind turbines. | 22:22 |
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| yigal | Is there any possibility of hacking on Modest to get threads, tags and full screen view? | 22:27 |
| yigal | or is it a lost cause project? | 22:27 |
| yigal | or is there an email client that has most of these features and can be nicely integrated into the Maemo environment? Or something else altogether | 22:28 |
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| yigal | While I know the general unhappiness with Modest I figured there would be people would be able to shed light on the difficulty of adding this feature set. | 22:32 |
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| yigal | alternatively I can continue to use Mutt on Maemo but it would be a bit easier to stop living a terminal existence on the N900 | 22:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | modest is open source. | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle... | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea as to anyu hacking on it though | 22:35 |
| yigal | it seems unreasonable that someone wouldn't have attempted to hack on it already | 22:36 |
| yigal | and obviously unsuccesfully | 22:36 |
| yigal | but the question remains, in my mind, how much effort is needed to add this feature set | 22:37 |
| yigal | I remember the shock I got when I realized the email client for the n900 was vastly inferior to the n800s | 22:38 |
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