| Macer | this sdk is totally screwed | 00:00 |
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| Macer | no wonder maemo was discontinued | 00:00 |
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| Lantizia | Hey I presume I want the map files for 3.0 not 2.0 on this site for my N900 Ovi Maps? http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm | 00:06 |
| Lantizia | I'd use the windows map downloader thing - but I'm on linux, need the direct links | 00:06 |
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| nox- | yeah i think you want 3.0 | 00:09 |
| Lantizia | gonna reformat my n900 and put pr1.3 on fresh - with an ext3 emmc :P | 00:10 |
| Lantizia | is pr1.4 a likelihood? | 00:10 |
| nox- | dont think so | 00:11 |
| nox- | there only is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 00:11 |
| nox- | (which i still havent tried myself) | 00:12 |
| nox- | and btw there also is another mapping/routing app using openstreetmap data: https://code.google.com/p/monav/ | 00:13 |
| mer_ge | is there anything special to do, to recieve MMS with fMMS? | 00:16 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 00:21 |
| MOUD | It's an offtopic question but is there any java application to block calls? The phone is an X3 (original) | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | I have doubts about java having that much access | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | In any case, this is the wrong channel :) | 00:24 |
| MOUD | i know, i tried googling it so I'm asking it as a last resort | 00:24 |
| Macer | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. | 00:24 |
| Macer | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 00:24 |
| Macer | E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-debug on FREMANTLE_ARMEL target. | 00:24 |
| Macer | ok i think i am about to give up on this crap | 00:24 |
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| Macer | it was a good idea but this thing does not work | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | I just used the vm image instead.. | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | But even that one has bugs | 00:25 |
| Macer | it is retarded | 00:25 |
| Macer | how can you have an sdk that is so poorly constructed | 00:25 |
| Macer | no wonder it was abandoned | 00:25 |
| Macer | devs probably spent half a week trying to get the sdk to work | 00:26 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: where can i get the image? | 00:26 |
| Macer | if it works in vbox i will try that out instead.. but i was hoping to do this without running any virtualization | 00:26 |
| Macer | what a waste of life that was | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 00:27 |
| Macer | i think if the cssu ver was serious... they would fix the sdk | 00:27 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: thanks. i'm taking a break again from this .. maybe i will try the image | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | The real error message is most likely before the part you pasted btw | 00:29 |
| Macer | but as far as installing the sdk on natty.. i don't knohat the issue s but it does not work | 00:30 |
| Macer | yes. dependencies are missing for some reason | 00:30 |
| Macer | tons of them | 00:30 |
| Macer | which makes no sense because it is installing them in a sb chroot | 00:30 |
| Macer | dpkg: error processing libgstfarsight0.10-0-dbg (--configure): | 00:31 |
| Macer | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured | 00:31 |
| Macer | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libtelepathy-farsight0-dbg: | 00:31 |
| Macer | libtelepathy-farsight0-dbg depends on libtelepathy-farsight0 (= 0.0.13-0maemo6+0m5); however: | 00:31 |
| Macer | Package libtelepathy-farsight0 is not configured yet. | 00:31 |
| Macer | almost all the pkgs look like that | 00:31 |
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| Macer | maybe i should try the smallest install | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | in the ubuntu vm you constantly have to fight to find every possible resolv.conf and fix them, because the point to some junk servers (probably nokia internal?).. Also there was some apt config somewhere telling it to use a proxy server, but I dont remember if that was in the Maemo SDK or somewhere else... | 00:31 |
| Macer | maybe i can go ahead and try just installing the runtime env and adding requirements from there | 00:32 |
| Macer | but yeah.. it looks like the sdk install is totally screwed | 00:32 |
| Macer | how maemo was even able to get any apps i will never know | 00:33 |
| Macer | i bet installing the ios and winmob sdks are not nearly as difficult | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | didn't work in wine | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | ;p | 00:33 |
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| Macer | hahahah | 00:37 |
| Macer | well.. this sdk is screwed | 00:37 |
| Macer | i'm done wasting my time with it | 00:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I think one issue is that it's not an SDK | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | like, it's halways to being some sort of emulator | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | Connection delayed 80 minutes. Kill me. | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | /kill GAN900 | 00:43 |
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| Macer | MohammadAG: how the hell did you get this sdk to install in natty?? | 00:44 |
| Macer | i am running the installer script and get nothing but dependency errors | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, I carried it over from Ubuntu 10.10 | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | with some minor changes | 00:47 |
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| Venemo | Macer, I could even install it on my F15, so I'm pretty sure you could install on bugbuntu | 00:49 |
| Macer | Venemo: well. not with the script | 00:52 |
| Macer | i have no idea why the dependencies are all screwed up | 00:52 |
| Venemo | Idunno either | 00:53 |
| Macer | but then again .. i'm not a dev.. i'm just trying to make a build env so i can try building src | 00:53 |
| Venemo | mhm | 00:53 |
| Venemo | I gotta go sleep now | 00:53 |
| Macer | maybe a real dev could fix this but i can't :) | 00:53 |
| Venemo | bb :) | 00:53 |
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| Venemo | Macer, well, I've never used ubuntu so I can't really help you there sorry | 00:53 |
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| Macer | np.. thanks anyways | 00:53 |
| Macer | i just figure it is odd considering it is trying to install in a chroot | 00:54 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, good night friend :) | 00:54 |
| Macer | the distro shouldn't matter at that point | 00:54 |
| Macer | sb runs | 00:54 |
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| Macer | ah well.. whatever. :) going to get some pina colada mix | 00:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Night Venemo | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, plotting both reads and writes of swap partition yields pretty funky picture | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you have spinny 3D infographics, with a banging baseline to make your point? | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | no :) | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Where ar eyou getting reads from? | 01:12 |
| * SpeedEvil is listening to Radio 1 turned up to 11. | 01:13 | |
| xd13 | the meego event starts tomorrow right ? | 01:14 |
| xd13 | i mean | 01:14 |
| xd13 | monday | 01:14 |
| xd13 | ? | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, same source | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | I filter on the mmcblk1p2 partition name | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | random apps page fault in pages | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I missed that. | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I only swa block writes | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/swap2.png | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: I even managed to install that on a RPM based Suse :-) But it took me like 1.5 days, and I had a pretty god howto somebody pointed me at (I think it's been jebba) | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | (if a read took place, I plotted write as 0, and other way around) | 01:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not understanding the graph. | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | bytes on Y axis. "Event number" on X | 01:19 |
| licensed | hey.. what the correct method to access root? 'root' or 'sudo gainroot'? | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | Essentially it shows that writes are sequential, and reads are random | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Pretty much as expected. | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | Interestingly, some workloads show alot of reads of recently swapped out data (lots of blue dots near the red), and then there's a portion where almost no data was swapped out, but there was a lot of swap in activity | 01:21 |
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| ShadowJK | and then there's a whole white-ish area.. I suspect this was after fennec was closed :) | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - right - left axis is K in the disk | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: usually "root" | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | How far in a write is. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence the red line on the outside | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | There's read access of almost entire device (from bottom to top)... so fragmentation must be pretty bad | 01:22 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, i would like to use apt-get install.. i use root? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it doesn't make a diff for apt-get usually | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: this would pretty much address 'why does my device get so slow after a few days' | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | Will see it better once the write runs off of the end of device (after that, if I understood the nokia patches correctly, it'll look for largest free stretch of blocks in swap) | 01:23 |
| licensed | 'root' opens Nokia-N900# and 'sudo gainroot' opens /home/user | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah except it hasn't reached that stage yet :) | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot doesn't set $HOME etc to root | 01:23 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, i'm asking this because i had problems with space on disk.. i didn't know why | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | Once the red dots start becoming as spread out as the blue, it's at that "device slow" stage | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: is this a 'real' device - instrumented in a way that you can continue loggting over a while? | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 01:24 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, so i can use 'root' with apt-get, right? | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | It's running on my main N900 | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually yes, except for a very few screwed pkgs | 01:24 |
| licensed | ok | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I assume there is no easy way to get read latency? | 01:25 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, ty again | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | using "root", and then "run-standallone.sh apt-get ..." is absolutely sure | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, nope | 01:25 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 01:25 | |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, need blktrace for that | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | (afaik) | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | but blktrace needs tools and kernels and shit I didn't have the time or energy to research | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - remind me of the proc to trigger block logging? | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: using "sudo gainroot" you eventually will end with fles in /home/user that are owned by root and not deletable by normal user - you don't exactly want that | 01:27 |
| licensed | DocScrutinizer, yes, sure.. thank you | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: thanks | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: using "root" without "run-standalone.sh " for apt-get... will eventually result in an install failing as the dbus isn't available to open notifiers etc | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | The intended purpose of block_dump is to find the culprits keeping harddrives from spinning down | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | licensed: e.g my pkg starhash-enabler is of that nasty class | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it works great in package manager, but not for apt-get in "root" shell | 01:29 |
| licensed | huum | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hm, so it doesn't work in fapman then? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are few of those, one of them is related to powerkernel afaik. Really few | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: EXACTLY ;-P | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway using "run-standalone.sh apt-get install didledumdidledoo" is always safe afaik | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | except of course you generally shouldn't use apt-get undiscriminately | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | better use HAM | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | I use HAM for everything really. If it's something that isn't visible in HAM, I might use apt-get manually and pay close attention to what it's going to do. | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:35 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders, Qt Multimedia or Phonon... | 01:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: \o/ | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmm | 01:40 |
| javispedro | hi there. | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I feel like throwing up for both, to be honest | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you liked KDE... | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | hey javispedro | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | phonon however seems to be even worse, but alas it also seems the future (and pukeaudio's grandson) | 01:42 |
| javispedro | ah, yet another ultra-hyper-mega-turbo-n900-optimizer thread on TMO | 01:42 |
| * javispedro sighs | 01:42 | |
| MohammadAG | I've tried Qt Mobility's multimedia API, I keep getting 403 for youtube vids | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEEEEAAAAaaaaaannnNNNNOOOOOOO | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, I need to pass some cookies | 01:42 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: btw, Phonon is morelike a result of "not-invented-here" syndrome more than a pukeaudio descendant | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is, it's horse shit | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I liked KDE1 to 3. I *HATE* kde4 | 01:43 |
| * GAN900 is surrounds by earthy hippies at the gate for SF. | 01:44 | |
| GAN900 | They smell like puke. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 01:44 |
| javispedro | and this one miracle n900 optimizer is just that months old repackaged cgroup tty thing! | 01:44 |
| javispedro | we use so many of those on our n900... clearly another "miracle". | 01:44 |
| * javispedro sighs | 01:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf what???? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | cgroup tty???? .oO(???) | 01:45 |
| javispedro | GAN900: I hope you have your n900 fast-typing fingers ready ;) | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | when's the next MeeGoConf? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it a a IBM, is it a teletype? is it even a robot? No it's GAAAAN900 typing :-) | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | I feel like doing a head-to-head with typing speeds on the N900 with GAN900 :P | 01:46 |
| * javispedro would give the link to DocScrutinizer if LKML was working, but for some reason it's returning an empty page | 01:46 | |
| GAN900 | javispedro, probably gonna do the liveblog from the laptop. | 01:46 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, November-ish | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, you're on! | 01:47 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, you'll probably beat me out. My thumbs have gotten slower. | 01:47 |
| * MohammadAG also suggests a #meegoconf channel, if one doesn't exist | 01:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | or #meego-conf | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | depends which rules them guys follow | 01:48 |
| GAN900 | First works | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | Since it'll be the same for twitter, flickr, etc. | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | Goddamnit, I haven't had to listen to CNNs blather for months. Why they gots to have it on at the airport. . . . | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's the apocalypse! | 01:51 |
| GAN900 | If only | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | no, not before the N950!!!1ONE | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Jesus needs all the penises he can get. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Ooops - mischan. | 01:53 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed :P | 01:53 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I think you're on the right channel though. | 01:53 |
| javispedro | dammit, should have gone to conf | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | #EndofTheWorldConfessions ....the world ain't ending son, my yogurt expires in 2013 ... #ThugLife <-- has to be the funniest shit I've heard today xD | 01:55 |
| javispedro | the worst part is hearing every one here telling me "omg but sf is so cool, you're a moron" | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle I could have gone - but I'd then have no heating this winter. :) | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you'll feel worse when they give out free N950s to everyone :p | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not free if you have to spend 5* the price on the trip. | 01:56 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, well, you probably saved yourself a cavity search | 01:58 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, why didn't you, though? | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: I expected I would be immersed in paper work this week | 01:59 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 01:59 |
| GAN900 | Well, you probably wouldn't have been sponsored anyway. | 01:59 |
| javispedro | and well, technically I am, only way less I imagined... | 01:59 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 02:00 |
| GAN900 | I just want to get on a plane so I can sleep. | 02:01 |
| javispedro | still not on a plane? cavity searching takes _that_ long? ;) | 02:01 |
| GAN900 | stuck in Dallas | 02:01 |
| GAN900 | Connecting flight delayed by a while. | 02:01 |
| GAN900 | Ah, so that's what's going on in Spain. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | aw, that. | 02:02 |
| * GAN900 wishes them luck. | 02:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Oh - and you were right - my bupbat is dead | 02:03 |
| derf | Oh, Meego-conf is in SF. | 02:03 |
| derf | I live 45 minutes from there now. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, what else | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm too as I'm short on papers for cigs and it's late | 02:03 |
| * GAN900 wonders if there's still registration room. | 02:04 | |
| javispedro | the registration form seems open enough | 02:05 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. i can't get it to install | 02:05 |
| Macer | maybe if i use the ubuntu scratchbox install instead? | 02:05 |
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| Macer | maybe i will try that out next | 02:05 |
| GAN900 | derf, should register. | 02:05 |
| Macer | does cssu use the "power kernel" by default? | 02:06 |
| Macer | i sure wish it were possible to set up an entire dev env on the phone itself | 02:06 |
| Macer | that would be nice | 02:06 |
| derf | Didn't lcuk do that? | 02:07 |
| Macer | i think he tried | 02:07 |
| Macer | i am not sure if he was able to get it going in an "easy" manner | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:09 |
| Macer | hm | 02:09 |
| Macer | i can't seem to remove the power-kernel | 02:09 |
| Macer | and i can't update it because it says it breaks 3rd party rules or something | 02:10 |
| * MohammadAG has an on device SDK | 02:11 | |
| MohammadAG | quite useless tbh | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | most time is spent waiting for IO rather than compiling | 02:12 |
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| Macer | well. i'm sure it would be good for quick compiles | 02:13 |
| Macer | but i was never able to get it to work. i think i might actually reflash and update to cssu again. my phone is a little flakey | 02:13 |
| Macer | what really sucks is that i installed nitdroid a while back and yeah.. it is a bitch to remove | 02:14 |
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| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember someone saying that to uninstall powerkernel you install the normal kernel | 02:16 |
| * ShadowJK 'd backup everything first anyway | 02:16 | |
| Macer | heh | 02:16 |
| Macer | ah well. | 02:16 |
| Macer | i am installing nitdroid again just to remove it | 02:17 |
| Macer | what a pain | 02:17 |
| Macer | which means i need to reformat my sd | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | nitdroid is using that totally fucked up batshit crazy dualboot method isn't it | 02:17 |
| Macer | yes | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 02:17 |
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| Macer | what makes it so bad is that you HAVE to have /and mounted to remove it | 02:17 |
| Macer | which kind of sucks.. i think i am going to reflash and get everything going again | 02:17 |
| Macer | the keyboard was the biggest pain | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | Suddenly MeeGo's recommended "microsd-only" install starts to make sense. | 02:18 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:20 |
| Macer | well.. meego is like 20 years off from working on an n900 | 02:20 |
| Macer | nitdroid is actually pretty good for what it is | 02:20 |
| Macer | i mean i'm sure they had to use some pretty bad hackery to get it all going but still | 02:21 |
| Macer | but of course they have the same issues as meego | 02:22 |
| Macer | hardware not working properly due to lack of support | 02:22 |
| Macer | or unreleased blobs.. etc | 02:22 |
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| Macer | damn. i really don't want to reflash after i've gotten everything working so nicely :) but i suppose that is life | 02:23 |
| Macer | and i really have no need for nitdroid since i have a g2 on standby | 02:24 |
| Macer | hm. nitdroid is stuck on stupid with the whole formatting the sd | 02:25 |
| Macer | ugh.. it seems quicker to reflash | 02:25 |
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| Macer | think i need to. i think i corrupted my phone pretty badly trying to get the things working that i need to get working | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: get a proper backup by maemo backup app, the reflash and restore | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nitdridiot batshit won't get restored, it's so sick it never even could | 02:29 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: where is the actual nokia app to update ? | 02:30 |
| Macer | the windows one? | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err no f'ing clue - what's windows? ;-P | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 02:31 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:31 |
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| Macer | haha | 02:32 |
| Macer | ugh | 02:33 |
| Macer | yeah i need to start from scratch | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not write it that way if there were any veritable alternative to insinstall and get rid of multiboot | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninstall* | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: wondering why nitridiot still uses multiboot? Simply because nobody is pestering THEM when uninstalling their shit nukes the system | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and because X-Fade didn't answer on my suggestion to remove multiboot from extras, due to it being *really* dangerous for both sw and hw | 02:48 |
| javispedro | dunno, maybe they're having problems with uboot. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | what friggin problems could they have? meego is doing fine with uboot | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | they have problems with boot at large | 02:50 |
| javispedro | this is android you're talking about | 02:50 |
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| javispedro | so I could believe "unforeseen" boot problems due to some crap. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just their "corporate identity" to not care about anything else. Android devices run android, nuttin else. So obviously the kernel has to be on a partition and get loaded from there. And there's definitely no time after Android, i.e. "uninstall? WTf is that?" | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and sure, if they'd need some crap (on boot cmdline or whatever) for kernel that uBoot doesn't fulfill exactly, then of course they're screwed. As fixing the kernel for THAT is way beyond them | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder however, how they can boot with NOLO but not with uBoot, while both maemo and meego work fine with both | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | is tmo down DocScrutinizer ? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, works fine here | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | refresh took like 2s | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, we got #meegoconf for GAN900's live twittering from there :-) | 03:00 |
| GAN900 | Woo, boarded | 03:06 |
| GAN900 | See you in SF | 03:06 |
| Macer | damnit | 03:10 |
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| Macer | thought my g2 got bricked | 03:10 |
| Macer | almost ha da panic attack | 03:11 |
| Macer | since i'm about to totally wipe this n900 :) | 03:11 |
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| Macer | OK | 03:11 |
| Macer | back to this thing | 03:11 |
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| MohammadAG | safe trip GAN900 | 03:18 |
| Macer | omg | 03:18 |
| Macer | seriously. wasn't there some windows program you could just run to flash the n900 that just required 1 click? | 03:19 |
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| licensed | would you to recomend me some apps? it's my second day on maemo | 03:21 |
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| ShadowJK | NSU maybe. But it's kinda buggy | 03:25 |
| Macer | alrighty | 03:26 |
| Macer | just finished flashing it | 03:26 |
| Macer | let me see if i can get this thing workign like it was just not as buggy :) then install backupmenu heh | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is GAN900 using a bouncer? | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | irssi | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | That was kinda amusing, I did CTCP VERSION on him, and got two replies from copies of myself | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 03:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer doesn't get it | 03:40 | |
| Macer | heh\ | 03:46 |
| Macer | well. i'm installing cssu now | 03:46 |
| Macer | once the mail for exchange and bt keyboard are set up it is all downhill from there :) | 03:46 |
| Macer | at least i got rid of that power kernel and nitdroid nonsense | 03:47 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I have irssi on server, xchat on desktop, N810 and N900. All tied to this nick. I did VERSION from PC, the N810 and N900 misinterpreted the outgoing VERSION for a request and sent back a reply :-) | 03:48 |
| Macer | here's a question.. how do i create my own image to flash? | 03:48 |
| Macer | like to back the entire phone u to my fileserver or something? | 03:48 |
| Macer | where i can just run flasher to get it back to where it was? | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: haha | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: how do you tie 3 clients to a nick, without bouncer? | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | irssi also functions as a bouncer | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | through a module called irssi-proxy | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | or screen | 03:55 |
| ShadowJK | screen is different | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, /msg xyz test , sent in an arbitrary window, shows up in open xyz query window as a normal post | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | it would | 03:58 |
| ShadowJK | a query window is essentially just a filter to separate "/msg xyz" from "/msg #xyz" :-) | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:03 |
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| Macer | Installing pkg 16/137 | 04:20 |
| Macer | awesome :) | 04:20 |
| Macer | well. guess i will come back to the n900 tomorrow heh | 04:21 |
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| Lantizia | Hey is the pin sequence something that _always_ gets remembered even if you reflash both main memory and emmc? | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | "pin sequence"? The sim card pin code is stored in the sim card | 04:37 |
| Lantizia | no - it's the pin I set on the N900, an 8 digit one | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it's remembered | 04:38 |
| Lantizia | is it putting it on the sim then? | 04:38 |
| ShadowJK | no | 04:38 |
| Lantizia | ah ok good - wouldn't be much security if it was on the sim card lol | 04:39 |
| Lantizia | can theives wipe it then with the flashing tool? | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | Not with the flashing tool, no | 04:40 |
| Lantizia | I'd better not forget the pass then lol | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | It's scrambled and stored outside of the OS area on the flash | 04:43 |
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| ShadowJK | It would take a day or two for me to crack it :-) | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | So yeah, better not forget it | 04:43 |
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| dimon_maemo | hi, my usb device broke on fri so i ordered battery charger and battery overnight from amazon. I am in the proccess of getting the unit fixed by amex warranty but until then I want to my phone like normal. I am connecting the phone to my pc via bluetooth I was able to backup the contacts just fine but my videos and photos are all stored on sd card. How can I access sd card via bluetooth? | 04:54 |
| dimon_maemo | Computer\N900 (PC-Suite Mode)\ | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | umm... | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Take the SD card out? | 04:57 |
| dimon_maemo | i dont have a reader | 04:57 |
| dimon_maemo | i can buy one tomorrow but my question is; can i access sd card from bluetooth? | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno | 04:57 |
| dimon_maemo | now that i think about it couldn't i just share it and connect via wifi? | 04:58 |
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| dimon_maemo | yeah that's doable for sure.. thanks | 04:58 |
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| dimon_maemo | bluetooth sucks as a standard in all respects except maybe the headsets | 05:00 |
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| dimon_maemo | btw i've been reading the forums and looks like im not the only one with usb problem. Does nokia still fix this if just out of warranty period? | 05:01 |
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| Lantizia | Does anyone know about the partitioning script that is shown with... head -n 17 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 05:08 |
| Lantizia | For ages now I've been tweaking 2048 to 8192 so that /home would be 8GB instead of 2GB (and thus MyDocs is 6GB smaller automatically) using the "sed" utility. This works just fine and is damn lot easier than repartitioning your n900 (if your prepared to totally wipe) | 05:10 |
| Lantizia | just wondering what script that is (i.e. what utility does it, or is it special maemo flasher script language?) | 05:10 |
| Lantizia | wanna get it making MyDocs as ext3 instead of vfat | 05:10 |
| dimon_maemo | Is it vfat? | 05:10 |
| Lantizia | the script is this... http://pastebin.com/SBhnt2nS | 05:11 |
| Lantizia | it's at the start of the large vanilla emmc file you can download | 05:11 |
| Lantizia | dimon_maemo, is what vfat? mydocs? yeah by default it is yes | 05:11 |
| dimon_maemo | i didn't even know.. that'sa weird decision to make it vfat | 05:12 |
| Lantizia | umm why is it? FAT can be read by windows and mac - it'd be impossible to put your music/videos/etc on the phone over usb if it wasnt' FAT | 05:12 |
| dimon_maemo | ah right i didnt think of that | 05:13 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, ShadowJK, you know anything about this script? | 05:13 |
| ShadowJK | not really | 05:14 |
| dimon_maemo | wow, i just installed tinysmb and it's perfect! :) | 05:16 |
| dimon_maemo | took me 30 seconds | 05:17 |
| dimon_maemo | download/install/share lovie t | 05:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: seems it's executed by something involved into flashing, no idea how flashing eMMC actually works. May be a executable "binary" actually | 05:44 |
| Lantizia | yeah found a few people have used this technique for changing the size of home | 05:46 |
| Lantizia | but haven't been sucessful in getting it to make mydocs as an ext3 yet | 05:46 |
| Lantizia | just get "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1." | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I have to admit I've never seen this notation, though it's pretty self explanatory. So usage of any known cmdline tools seems unlikely | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly think this is some kind of "selfextracting archive" - with additional functionality | 06:19 |
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| dimon_maemo | i want to check out meego and nitroid can i triple boot? | 06:40 |
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| Macer | ok! | 06:50 |
| Macer | let me see if i can get this keyboard going again | 06:51 |
| Macer | is abiword only in devel? | 06:51 |
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| GAN900 | Wee, SF. | 06:56 |
| derf | Welcome to the left coast. | 06:58 |
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| GAN900 | Thanks! | 07:00 |
| * GAN900 is going to freeze to death. | 07:00 | |
| Macer | uhm. i have a question | 07:02 |
| Macer | considering that most dev for maemo is rather stunted... how does stuff go from devel to testing? :)| | 07:03 |
| Macer | i mean there is a "human qa" according to the wiki | 07:03 |
| Macer | so who is testing this stuff in order to have it moved to testing? | 07:03 |
| Macer | and onward to extras? | 07:03 |
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| derf | I thought you could promote anything you wanted from devel to testing. | 07:04 |
| derf | And then it needed votes from others to get promoted to extras. | 07:05 |
| Macer | but who is voting for this stuff? :) | 07:05 |
| derf | People the author harasses. | 07:05 |
| Macer | ah. i see. | 07:05 |
| derf | At least, AFAICT. | 07:05 |
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| Macer | i figure the testing phase must take years considering the lack of world involvment | 07:05 |
| derf | Oh, no, someone will come along and downvote you for "not having a bug tracker" (when you do) or some other silly nonsense, and then the package will be removed from testing. | 07:06 |
| derf | At least, this is my personal experience. | 07:06 |
| derf | That was about the point where I stopped publishing packages. | 07:07 |
| dimon_maemo | can someone link me a tutorial to get latest android & maemo dual boot? | 07:07 |
| Macer | i am only asking because in order to get my bt keyboard to work and abiword installed i need to use devel | 07:07 |
| Macer | dimon_maemo: /topic | 07:07 |
| Macer | go to #nitdroid and ask ;) | 07:07 |
| derf | Macer: Well, you need to find the authors of those packages, and about 10 friends. | 07:07 |
| Macer | heh. ok. | 07:08 |
| derf | And then you can have everything in extras. | 07:08 |
| Macer | sounds like something to work on | 07:08 |
| Macer | would be nice ifi could get the stupid sdk installed | 07:08 |
| dimon_maemo | ah ok | 07:08 |
| Macer | omg what a horribly made sdk | 07:08 |
| derf | It sounded a lot like not writing code to me, which is why I never bothered. | 07:09 |
| Macer | you can tell nokia slapped it together and just threw it out there | 07:09 |
| derf | The SDK is not that bad. | 07:09 |
| Macer | derf: i can't get it to install on a natty box | 07:09 |
| Macer | the install script starts but then i get a ton of dependency errors | 07:09 |
| derf | I got it to install on Gentoo. | 07:09 |
| Macer | well.. all i have here is natty ;) | 07:10 |
| derf | With relatively little effort. | 07:10 |
| derf | There also used to be VMs floating around with it pre-installed. | 07:10 |
| Macer | maybe if i use the scratchbox in the ubuntu repos | 07:10 |
| Macer | did you use the nokia scratchbox or the one that is in the gentoo portage tree? | 07:10 |
| derf | Then Gentoo one was too old. | 07:10 |
| derf | It wasn't hard to make newer packages with more up-to-date versions. | 07:11 |
| derf | *The | 07:11 |
| derf | (This was also in 2007... I think the version in Gentoo now is fine) | 07:11 |
| derf | In any case, making something install on a variety of Linux distributions is insanely hard. | 07:12 |
| derf | So I wouldn't berate the Nokia guys too much for that part. _I_ certainly wouldn't want to have to solve that problem. | 07:13 |
| Macer | well. it wasn't exactly like they were making an sdk that runs on a bunch of linux distros.. it was more like getting something to work across scratchbox | 07:14 |
| Macer | but fair enough point | 07:14 |
| Macer | ;) | 07:14 |
| Macer | is there a windows sdk? | 07:14 |
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| Macer | i don't think bthid is required for the keyboard | 07:15 |
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| Macer | pairing and installing extkbd seems to do the trick | 07:15 |
| Macer | and modifying the symbols/us file to get enter to work correctly | 07:15 |
| derf | As I said, best way to work on a Windows box is to get a VM with the SDK installed in it. | 07:18 |
| Macer | well. i can use teh vm on my linux box as well | 07:20 |
| Macer | i downloaded the vm | 07:20 |
| Macer | but all i have is vbox. but i am sure it can load the image | 07:20 |
| Macer | i'm still working on getting my phone back to a stable condition now anyways ;) | 07:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you tried the little stand? | 07:22 |
| ShadowJK | it's kinda wtf to me that it needs root access | 07:26 |
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| Macer | ?? backupmenu | 07:48 |
| Macer | not cool enough? | 07:48 |
| Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58633 | 07:49 |
| Macer | lol | 07:49 |
| Macer | you can swap the sd out while the phone is on right? | 07:52 |
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| Macer | i am right back where i started with a pretty clean maemo install | 07:52 |
| Macer | keyboard works.. mail for exchange works.. abi etc works.. :) hopefully this backupmenu stuff works | 07:53 |
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| Macer | i have libacl/libattr issues with backupmenu | 08:15 |
| Macer | i'm hoping that doesn't break anything if i have to restore but i am guessing it will | 08:15 |
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| Macer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/backupmenu/0.61-1/ | 08:25 |
| Macer | heh. go figure. guess i have to install these manually | 08:26 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:23 |
| * lardman wonders what werewolf games are? | 12:25 | |
| lardman | http://sf2011.meego.com/program | 12:25 |
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| Macer | awesome | 12:33 |
| Macer | got the sdk image running in vbox | 12:33 |
| Macer | LET'S START BUILDING STUFF! :) | 12:33 |
| Macer | i have no idea where to start | 12:34 |
| Necc | robbiethe1st, in the future do you plan to make your backupmenu to let the user select the partition(s) to backup? because at the moment my optFS is in mz microSD card and can make backup | 12:34 |
| Macer | is there like a maemo sdk for dummies book? | 12:34 |
| Necc | Macer, build up the world trade center | 12:34 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, it actually /does/ select the partition | 12:34 |
| robbiethe1st | doesn't matter what your mount is | 12:34 |
| robbiethe1st | optfs = first partition, EMMC, SD card = first partition, SD | 12:34 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 12:35 |
| cityLights | I am going to munich this weekend and was wondering if there is a chance to by the N9 | 12:35 |
| cityLights | or meet any of the members here | 12:36 |
| cityLights | so ppl know I am nice | 12:36 |
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| Macer | how do you know the people here aren't serial killers? | 12:36 |
| Necc | hmm so there is a way to copy back my data from SD -> eMMC | 12:37 |
| cityLights | well, some have helpped me | 12:37 |
| cityLights | and I would like to buy them beer | 12:37 |
| Macer | cityLights: serial killers usually do :) | 12:37 |
| Necc | Macer, 98% of us are either linux coders, developers or power users | 12:37 |
| Macer | from sd to mmc? | 12:37 |
| Necc | 1% are ¨noobs¨ whose seek to learn | 12:37 |
| Necc | the remaining 1% are politics and serial killers | 12:37 |
| Macer | :) if i didn't know any better i would think that was a shot at me | 12:37 |
| cityLights | also, as I am not yet earning a leaving from developing to the N900 I was wondering how does | 12:37 |
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| cityLights | maybe I could even meet that guy how wrote the openvpn-applet | 12:39 |
| cityLights | which I am currently study to make my own applet | 12:39 |
| cityLights | which btw doesnt work now | 12:39 |
| cityLights | damn UI | 12:39 |
| Macer | heh | 12:40 |
| Macer | cityLights: i tried to install the sdk on a natty box and it didn't turn out too well. your best bet would be to do like i did and download the virtual image | 12:40 |
| cityLights | when you write code used by so many ppl, its nice meeting some users... | 12:40 |
| cityLights | this is why I am using python | 12:41 |
| cityLights | and not #c | 12:41 |
| Macer | i would rather learn c | 12:41 |
| Macer | c++ | 12:41 |
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| cityLights | any way I guess it will be another month before the N9 start selling | 12:41 |
| Macer | i actually do have a dummies book for that but i never got into it | 12:41 |
| cityLights | I know c | 12:41 |
| cityLights | even wrote some stuff, but like python much better | 12:42 |
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| MohammadAG | C/C++ > Python | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | at least performance wise, if coded well | 12:42 |
| cityLights | hi MohammadAG | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | hi | 12:42 |
| cityLights | o ya , I got a job offer in c++ that I cant take now, any good alsa coder here? | 12:43 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: looking for work? | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | do they take 17 year olds? :P | 12:43 |
| cityLights | oh ya , I also need advice for 3G in germnay | 12:43 |
| * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer for that | 12:44 | |
| cityLights | pls pm me if you want to hear more | 12:44 |
| cityLights | can anyone recomend a good 3G pre paid provider in germany? | 12:44 |
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| cityLights | btw, did anyone put out hebrew for the meego yet> | 12:48 |
| cityLights | ? | 12:48 |
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| cehteh | cityLights: if you are in cities then eplus and its resellers are the cheapest, but they have bad coverage in rual areas | 13:00 |
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| cityLights | thanks,cehteh | 13:06 |
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| Macer | well. let me see if i can see what i can do in this vm | 13:19 |
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| Macer | maybe i can build something useful | 13:20 |
| cityLights | cehteh: I was told to ask for fonic | 13:21 |
| cityLights | its 10 euro for the sim and 2.5 euro for each day unlimited access | 13:21 |
| cityLights | good? | 13:21 |
| cehteh | what network do they use, prolly e-plus? i dont know them | 13:22 |
| Necc | 2.5 euro/day? | 13:22 |
| cityLights | fonic seems to be 02 virtual | 13:23 |
| cityLights | o2 | 13:23 |
| cehteh | i have blau.de and can really recommend then, cheap is one thing, but no nagging "special offer SMS" and easy to use web interface and "just works" is priceless | 13:23 |
| cehteh | will you only be in munic or travel by train and go elsewhere? | 13:23 |
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| cehteh | yes i see o2 .. dunno about how well it works, my wife has some other sims but iirc thats all mobilkom and t-online and she only uses phone, no net | 13:25 |
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| Macer | so how do i get to an xterm in this thing? | 13:27 |
| Macer | when i double click on sdk it opens xephyr with no xterm | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | /scratchbox/login | 13:27 |
| Macer | ok | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing you used the GUI installer, the scripted one doesn't do that | 13:28 |
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| Macer | i used a vm | 13:28 |
| Macer | :) | 13:28 |
| Macer | the sdk image | 13:28 |
| Macer | i took the cheap way out | 13:28 |
| cehteh | haha | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | weak :p | 13:29 |
| cehteh | pussie | 13:29 |
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| Macer | haha | 13:29 |
| Macer | does it just pick up on the network? | 13:29 |
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| cehteh | i guess you have to start the vm with network and configure resolv.conf in the guest at least | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | earthquake, fun times | 13:30 |
| lolcat | Any news on N9= | 13:35 |
| lolcat | ? | 13:35 |
| Macer | i got it | 13:36 |
| Macer | so /scratchbox/login would be like running xterm on the virtual n900? | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | except it's bash, not ash | 13:44 |
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| trumee | android platform is pathetic, they dont have a standard media-player which can play icecast streams | 13:48 |
| trumee | boooo! | 13:48 |
| Jartza | yeah. that makes the whole platform bad. | 13:49 |
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| trumee | lxp: hello there | 13:51 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | my n900 won't respond to input, and when i ssh into it pretty much every command returns -sh: top: Too many open files in system | 13:53 |
| jonne|reconnecte | is there a way i can kill those processes without rebooting? | 13:53 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | can't run ps, so i can't really know which process causes this | 13:54 |
| cehteh | how did you run into this state? | 13:55 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i woke up to it | 13:55 |
| cehteh | and well .. you prolly have to reboot anyways | 13:55 |
| jonne|reconnecte | logged in as root now, and now i can run top | 13:55 |
| cehteh | strange | 13:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | 3247 root 2084 S sh -c /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server | 13:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | 3248 root 3564 S /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server | 13:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | lots of those | 13:56 |
| cehteh | do you sshfs to the phone? | 13:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | so probably my ubuntu box scanning something on the phone | 13:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | yeah, that's probably it | 13:57 |
| cehteh | yes updatedb :) | 13:57 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i have this script that auto-mounts my phone when it's on my lan | 13:57 |
| cehteh | exclude it from indexing | 13:57 |
| jonne|reconnecte | will probably need to reboot anyway, at least i know what happened | 14:00 |
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| Macer | ok so... | 14:06 |
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| Macer | i am going to try to build foomatic-filters | 14:06 |
| Macer | is there a guide on how i pkg this if i get it built? :) | 14:06 |
| cityLights | sorry to all , I didnt get to see the answer as I was disconnected | 14:06 |
| cityLights | what is the advice about german 3G carrior | 14:07 |
| cehteh | pasted you in pm .. well but i cant say much about others than i am using and i am not a heavy user | 14:08 |
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| cehteh | when you are here just for a short visit, you can pick almost any one, just check for prices | 14:09 |
| cityLights | do you use voip ? | 14:09 |
| cehteh | skype rarely and most of the time over wlan not mobile | 14:10 |
| cityLights | I plan to buy a german number and still use my Israel number over voip | 14:10 |
| cityLights | so I pay local cost for german calls | 14:10 |
| Macer | wow. this reminds me of gentoo | 14:11 |
| Macer | haha.. or slackware back in the day where you had to build everything by hand | 14:11 |
| cehteh | well dunno how well it works, some providers dont allow voip and some even enforce it | 14:11 |
| cityLights | does your enforce it? | 14:11 |
| Macer | i have no idea how to build a deb tho | 14:11 |
| cehteh | so you have to look at there terms of service | 14:11 |
| cityLights | ok | 14:12 |
| cehteh | iirc blau even allows it .. but i have to do a 2nd check | 14:12 |
| cityLights | must catch a rain now | 14:12 |
| cityLights | take care all | 14:13 |
| cityLights | hope to release my app soon | 14:13 |
| cehteh | catch a rain .. haha :) | 14:13 |
| * cehteh gives cityLights a umbrella | 14:13 | |
| cityLights | s/rain/train/ | 14:13 |
| cehteh | :) | 14:13 |
| cityLights | bye bye | 14:14 |
| cehteh | cu+ | 14:14 |
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| nusse | hi | 14:19 |
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| Macer | ugh | 14:29 |
| Macer | how do i get root in this sdk?? | 14:29 |
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| Macer | i keep getting "must be setuid root" when trying to run sudo | 14:35 |
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| Macer | omg seriously | 14:42 |
| Macer | it is like a rotating door | 14:42 |
| Macer | can't ssh as root because i can't edit stuff as root | 14:42 |
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| nusse | i'm trying to setup pan between a n900 and a linux laptop, but after pairing there is no bnep0 on the n900, any ideas? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, read docs | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | clearly, you're not doing that | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | use fakeroot | 14:45 |
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| Macer | oh :) | 14:47 |
| cehteh | or setup scratchbox to use real root | 14:48 |
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| Macer | cehteh: fakeroot makes a little more sense ;) | 14:49 |
| Macer | but thanks MohammadAG | 14:49 |
| Macer | i just finished building foomatic-filters | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | usually you don't need root | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | you can apt-get without it etc | 14:50 |
| Macer | i needed it for the cups configure | 14:50 |
| Macer | because cups adds a grp | 14:50 |
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| Macer | and i needed to install the cups pkg to get foomatic to build | 14:50 |
| Macer | ;) | 14:50 |
| Macer | but it built.. all this is just to get a foomatic pkg on the n900 so i can print straight from it to my brother laser printer | 14:51 |
| Macer | and i'm sure a lot of ppds use foomatic | 14:51 |
| Macer | sure wish i had enough skill to build an abiword with printer support | 14:51 |
| Macer | maybe i can try to build it and see if it just picks up the cups support | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | FYI, you're probably in the X86 target | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | just sayin | 14:51 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: N9 is x86? | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 14:52 |
| Macer | wow | 14:52 |
| Macer | i sure am | 14:52 |
| Macer | wtf | 14:52 |
| Macer | ugh | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 14:53 |
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| Itschue | hello | 14:56 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i didn't even notice that | 14:56 |
| Macer | so i was happy about foomatic for nothing | 14:56 |
| Macer | it will probably fail when trying to build it for arm | 14:56 |
| Itschue | anyone here can help set my n900 back to factory defaults (wiki with flashing emmc and combined image dont work) | 14:57 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: so after changing the target the xephyr sdk icon should be running the armel target right? | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it 'never' fails | 14:59 |
| merlin1991 | Itschue: that should set you back to factory defaults | 14:59 |
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| Macer | damn | 15:00 |
| Macer | when i run fakeroot it switches over to x86 | 15:00 |
| Itschue | no rootfs befor flashing 56% used after flashing the same and device lock code isnt the default | 15:00 |
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| Macer | oh .. it is before i run the xephyr where it stays armel | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, the icon is retarded | 15:01 |
| Macer | and when i run it and get the maemo desktop in xephyr it goes to x86 | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | actually, the whole GUI installer is retarded | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | device lock code can't get reset | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | it can, just write BS to the cal block | 15:03 |
| * RST38h moos, greets | 15:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | (why did I know from beginning he'll go to complain about lockcode?) | 15:04 |
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| Macer | the script changes it to x86 | 15:04 |
| Macer | i just edited the script so i stay armel | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG | the script fires up the UI | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | the UI can only run in X86 | 15:05 |
| Macer | omg wtf? :) | 15:05 |
| Macer | so do the targets stay the same? | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | so I'd keep it at X86 | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG | you can only compile with the ARMEL target | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | so stop being lazy and type /scratchbox/login instead of some icon :p | 15:06 |
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| Itschue | can anyone help me | 15:06 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i am | 15:07 |
| Macer | but i want to see it working | 15:07 |
| Macer | although i guess you are right.. i don't need to use the ui | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | see what? | 15:07 |
| Macer | i want to see if the pkgs go into the ui | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | compile on ARMEL, test on (poor) device | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | what's the worst thing that could happen :p | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 | 15:08 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: well if backupmenu works correctly... nothing ;) | 15:09 |
| Itschue | docscrutinizer and the rootfs ? | 15:09 |
| Macer | but my problem is i don't know how to pkg it | 15:09 |
| Macer | so i can move a deb to the phone to try to install | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, don't get your problem | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: ^^^ | 15:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer doubts Itschue has a proper concept of "rootfs" | 15:12 | |
| Itschue | is there any other way to get the rootfs space to factory default | 15:13 |
| Macer | OK.. let's see what happens when i build it now | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: sorry your questions make no sense | 15:13 |
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| Macer | wow | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: you know how to report bugs properly? tell what you did, on which machine and sw exactly you did it, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead | 15:15 |
| Macer | i have foomatic-rip now :) | 15:15 |
| Macer | let me see what i have to do to get the damn thing to work tho | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "whaz you expected to happen" usually ideally quotes some man page or user manual | 15:16 |
| dRbiG | where do I find this file where all the 'desktop' icons are defined? | 15:16 |
| Itschue | im not sure where the right place for this bug is | 15:16 |
| dRbiG | i remember I've seen it | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: maybe here, but if it's not just me, then your questions don't help to understand your propblem | 15:17 |
| cehteh | Macer: apropos cups on the n900 .. how does one print stuff in a 'sensible' way .. imo there needs to be some gui integration, prolly by the sharing api | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: as mentioned above I suspect a misconception on your side, about what is rootfs | 15:18 |
| dRbiG | ok, got it | 15:20 |
| Itschue | at first time is used the phone the free space on rootfs are more than 150mb and now after flashing to factory defaults it isnt | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's maybe been 150MB free space on maemo PR1.0, back in 2009 when the phone shipped | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure it *ever* had 150MB free space | 15:24 |
| robbiethe1st | Sio long as you have 20+mb, don't worry | 15:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Project WARNING: Maemo5/Freemantle not supported by QtMobility 1.2+ (Not building any examples and demos). | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | WTF?! | 15:27 |
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| Itschue | i tihnk with pr1.2 it was min. 150mb | 15:27 |
| Itschue | and with pr1.3 also | 15:28 |
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| Itschue | before flashing i had 56% used and after flashing to factory defaults it is the same 56% used | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | So? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: that's all no specific problem report | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | does ANYTHING *not _work_* like it's supposed to do? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, in the end that storage isn't there to stay empty until device falls to dust | 15:32 |
| Itschue | not so fast my english isnt so good | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we didn't hear a single word about what *exactly* you did to get those numbers etc | 15:33 |
| Itschue | sorry | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h / | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 171.5M 52.1M 77% / | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^ completely sane system | 15:34 |
| Itschue | updating the kernel power device didnt reboot so i flahed it | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 15:36 |
| Macer | damn | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | on weekends? you're dreeming | 15:36 |
| Macer | now for some reason i can't get cups installed on the phone | 15:37 |
| Macer | this is shaving years off my life :) | 15:37 |
| Macer | let me test out this boot menu | 15:37 |
| Macer | backupmenu | 15:37 |
| Macer | and see if i can restore | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: live fast, die young ;-D | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | or drive fast... | 15:37 |
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| Macer | lol | 15:38 |
| Macer | i hope when it says "unbootable device" it means if lightning strikes it that it can still recover haha | 15:39 |
| Macer | at least i can let you guys know if it works or not :) | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can. can you? | 15:39 |
| Macer | sure.. i'm doing it now | 15:39 |
| Macer | i lost track of the crap i did to it :) | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | recover from lightning??? | 15:40 |
| Macer | oh | 15:40 |
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| Macer | depends on how it hits the phone i suppose :) | 15:40 |
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| Macer | this is kind of odd tho. i had cups running before i reflashed | 15:40 |
| Macer | maybe i missed a step somewhere | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, when the phone's at your ear... too bad! | 15:40 |
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| Macer | i would probably try to protect the n900 | 15:41 |
| Macer | they're kind of scarce now :) | 15:41 |
| Macer | have to ebay or amazon them and i'm sure the stocks are dwindling | 15:41 |
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| Itschue | DocScrutinizer speak german? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | go ahead | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | speaking of german, is Ich = I? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | was gibt's | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, moh | 15:43 |
| Itschue | in egnlish ist es schwer zu beschrieben | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | and Dich = you? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "to you" | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll beat you = ich hau dich | 15:44 |
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| Itschue | also ich bin mir sehr sicher wo ich das n900 bekommen habe das fast 200 mb frei waren auf roots fs dann habe ich die pr1.3 installiert und es waren ca 10mb weniger | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're so cute = Du bist a hund | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 15:45 |
| Itschue | ich habe das gefühl wenn ich jetzt programme installiere und dann nur noch 50mb frei habe und dann irgendweswegen mal wieder flashen muss gar keinen platz mehr uf rootfs habe | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | I'll keep that in mind next time I see a german girl :p | 15:45 |
| Macer | well.. i'll be damned | 15:45 |
| Macer | guess that restore did work afterall :) | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: see: | 15:45 |
| dm8tbr | how to order a beer: "Ich möchte diesen Teppich nicht kaufen, bitte!" ;) | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 15:45 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... | 15:45 |
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| MohammadAG | dm8tbr, the tone (or the !) there makes it sound weird :p | 15:46 |
| dm8tbr | MohammadAG: let me find you a youtube video of that joke/commercial | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | beerbitch? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: heutzutage wird praktisch nichts mehr auf / installiert | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | geht alles nach /opt | 15:47 |
| dm8tbr | MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HW_jP0wQ3A | 15:47 |
| Itschue | also ist meine sorge unberechtig? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: vergiss es einfach | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | >20Mb free space on root is kinda OK | 15:48 |
| Macer | ok. need to take a break from this for a while.. to be continued. so help me god i will get cups working with my printer :) | 15:48 |
| Macer | does cups support have to be built into something in order to build it into abiword? | 15:48 |
| Itschue | aber 20mb bracuhe ich schon oder wie | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: I'd guess abiword just does "export_as_pdf | lpr" | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: yup | 15:49 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: that would be nice | 15:50 |
| Macer | add it to the file menu ? :) | 15:50 |
| Itschue | ich bin mir auch unsicher ob autoclean clean etc richtig "funktioniert" und ob beim uninstall wirklich alles von dem programm(ich denke außer conf datein) gelöscht wird | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: never use apt-get * indiscriminately! it will mess up your system | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: ausschliesslich HAM benutzen, den maemo Application Manager | 15:52 |
| Itschue | und faster application manager? | 15:53 |
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| Itschue | und zb gstreamer plugins bekomme ich nur im terminal mit apt-get drauf | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, and NEVER INSTALL WHILE IN MASS STORAGE MODE! | 15:54 |
| Itschue | das habe ich sowieso noch nicht gemacht und nicht vor gehabt | 15:54 |
| arvut | should I learn python? I know some C++ and some C. had a glimph of C# the other week but I wanna know which language that would be worth spending this summer in. =) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: a lot of packets you might install via apt are not "optified" (so will install to / instead of /opt) | 15:55 |
| arvut | java might be another option | 15:55 |
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| BCMM | arvut: it's supposed to be very nice | 15:56 |
| BCMM | and quick to write | 15:56 |
| Itschue | these packages cant optify after installing right? | 15:56 |
| arvut | still haven't sampled java. even though I love espresso & other dark roasted coffee | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can, if you tell a special tool on maemo to optify them on device | 15:57 |
| BCMM | Itschue: no, it's a thing you can do when building a package | 15:57 |
| Itschue | i dont want build packages at the time | 15:57 |
| BCMM | arvut: do you know of http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ ? | 15:57 |
| BCMM | arvut: it's a set of pretty small problems. attempt to do the, and in a couple of hours you find you know a surprising amount of python | 15:58 |
| arvut | java has garbagehandling opposed to C and C++ which don't. that's all I know except for syntax differences. | 15:58 |
| arvut | BCMM: recommend trying it on my phone? | 15:58 |
| arvut | irssi is epic on the n900, takes chatting to another level | 15:59 |
| BCMM | arvut: no reason why not, other than the KB | 15:59 |
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| arvut | especially after a quad espresso, some chocolate and a certain plant that starts with C | 16:00 |
| arvut | BCMM: KB as in size? | 16:00 |
| BCMM | arvut: keyboard | 16:00 |
| arvut | ahh | 16:00 |
| arvut | I love my keyboard | 16:00 |
| BCMM | less of an issue than with C though, due to reduced use of {} | 16:00 |
| arvut | hence why I mentioned chatting on it | 16:00 |
| Itschue | doc scrutinizer why only ham what about fasterapplication manager? | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | So, anything new and exciting? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | More N950 images/specs/rumors? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: fapman has some issues, and occasionally fails | 16:01 |
| BCMM | arvut: also, IIRC it's possible to write new pythong modules in C, if you need to do a task for which python is not fast enough | 16:01 |
| arvut | oh yah.. the symbols.. I have more than once wished for a double & key on the keyboard. same goes to brackets like that one | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g on installing powerkernel, starhash-enabler | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: aren't those rumours the most boring thing around? | 16:02 |
| Itschue | gibt es da ne liste? weil mit dem ham dauert es ewigkeiten | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Doc: Depends | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Doc: There was a precious few of real ones, the rest was just lemmings squeaking | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: HAM is slow, as it does it "right" | 16:03 |
| Itschue | ok | 16:03 |
| Itschue | werde ich mich fügen lol | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: fapman is fast as it takes shortcuts, that eventually fail epically | 16:03 |
| arvut | BCMM: is python written in C or something? | 16:03 |
| BCMM | arvut: the "official" interpreter is, yes | 16:04 |
| BCMM | though there are other implementations of python | 16:04 |
| Itschue | und das was der ham nicht installieren will kann ich das mit apt-get? oder gibts da auch noch bedenken? | 16:04 |
| arvut | mm yes, is it faster and more powerful compared to java and C#? | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: what's not available via HAM is quite usually safe and sane to install via apt-get | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with proper warning about all pkgs that are not in extras. They may have issues | 16:06 |
| arvut | I did like the syntax of C# a lot tho. but since its framework dependant and mostly good for M$ systems then I might avoid it. | 16:06 |
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| arvut | altho... a windows 7 phone os from nokia could probably run C# in .NET | 16:06 |
| Itschue | i know | 16:07 |
| cityLights | any more ppl from gremany here? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly a lot | 16:07 |
| arvut | cityLights: I would assume that the majority in here is from europe, but we use english to communicate mostly | 16:08 |
| cityLights | so maybe I can met more this weekend while in munich | 16:08 |
| cityLights | meet | 16:08 |
| Itschue | so i can remove faster application manager? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: there's a recurring meeting of SHR guys in Munich (/join #openmoko-de, #openmoko-cdevel). Not aware of any maemo meetings here | 16:10 |
| Itschue | the maemo-optifiy is only for developers? or not? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: should be safe to remove - via HAM ;-) | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: basically yes, it's a devel sthing | 16:11 |
| cityLights | I am seeking a 3g pre paid unlimited provider | 16:11 |
| cityLights | any advice? | 16:11 |
| Itschue | and the most new apps are optifyd ? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: the odd part (in HAM as anywhere else) is you don't get any info of WHERE the package installs to - it just says "needs xxxMB" but not about WHERE those xxxMB will go to | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: yes, new apps are mandatory to get optified | 16:13 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: which 3G would you recommend? | 16:13 |
| Itschue | cool | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: if they're not, the developer should wear asbestos underwear | 16:13 |
| Itschue | rofl | 16:14 |
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| Itschue | and use the pincers for his pants? | 16:14 |
| Itschue | thank you very mouzch for the great informations | 16:15 |
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| Itschue | i think i must install irc its great here | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, return any time with more | 16:16 |
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| Itschue | with more what? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | quetions, rant, news, whatever | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | Disclaimer: IRC may greatly disrupt sleep patterns | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 16:17 |
| Itschue | today there was only many questions | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | questions are really fine, as long as we can use them to repeat what we learned so we don't forget it | 16:17 |
| Itschue | how good is my english? | 16:18 |
| Itschue | right right | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | good enough | 16:18 |
| Itschue | thanks | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: no offense, just a suggestion for a (imho) great reading: | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 16:19 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder why qt-mobility 1.2 fails to build from maemo.org sources | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | well, package | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: smart-questions can safe you from running into situations that create a feeling of disappointment | 16:20 |
| Itschue | im happy i know more about the system i dont worry about the diskspace | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (available in German as well ;-D ) | 16:21 |
| Itschue | what is available in german? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the "normal people's guide to hackers" | 16:22 |
| cityLights | oh ya, is there a munich public trasport application? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: Fahrplan, fool! | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's great! | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :D | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | just missing one thing: mapps-integration | 16:24 |
| cityLights | apt-get install fahrplan | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/app/ap/ | 16:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: just missing one thing: maps-integration | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: >:-( | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | USE HAM!!!! | 16:25 |
| Itschue | questions in english isnt easy for me i will do my best | 16:25 |
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| cityLights | any other ideas? | 16:25 |
| cityLights | Itschue: use google translator | 16:25 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer | 16:25 |
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| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: if i do use apt-get , what should I rm to reduce space? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: though this is a basically english channel, it's not exactly forbidden to use German language occasionally, if nothing else helps | 16:26 |
| Itschue | ja aber der übersetzt manchmal so sc***** da lasse ich mir nur einzelne wörte von leo übersetzen ich kann english besser lesen und verstehen als schreiben und sprechen | 16:26 |
| cityLights | rm /var/cache/apt/archive? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | brilliant idea, will help nuttin | 16:27 |
| Itschue | so im too late i come back later | 16:27 |
| cityLights | take care | 16:27 |
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| Itschue | everytime | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: don't use apt-get - problem solved | 16:28 |
| cityLights | I still need to solve why my hildon-status doesnt work | 16:28 |
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| cityLights | I did - what now? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're doomed ;-D | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, never mind | 16:28 |
| mer_ge | when my N900 is locked, I have to press the power button two times (not too fast as well) for getting the unlock screen | 16:29 |
| mer_ge | this basically started out of nowhere | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely unrelated question: why don't you use the lock slider switch? | 16:30 |
| mer_ge | before my last reflash, this also happened after a certain time of usage/app-installs... | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | My lock switch is worn out. | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The nub has worn off. | 16:30 |
| mer_ge | because it not well suited for one-hand usage | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, sorry for that | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose a blob of hotmelt will work. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: soldering iron | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a thermoplast | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to warranty return this device in a bit | 16:31 |
| cehteh | drilling a small hole and glue a wire/nail/screw into it | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | just damn clean it before | 16:31 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer this application is great - thanks | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 16:31 |
| cehteh | mer_ge: how systemui reacts on certain power button events is configureable .. did you mangled with the config? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh for the common sense, >me> for a break | 16:32 |
| mer_ge | cehteh, I mangled with CSSU features only | 16:33 |
| cityLights | but it needs internet access - right? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:33 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw do you know where one can buy replacement audio jacks? mine wearing out | 16:33 |
| cehteh | iirc it is replaceable ... | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSM (or whatever) has city transport maps, but no schedules | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is, easily | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask Nokia service | 16:34 |
| * cehteh doesnt want a 20Eur audio jack :P | 16:34 | |
| cityLights | can I fix my N800 in munich , does Nokia have a repair center ? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask for them selling you the part | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's only 8€ then :-P | 16:35 |
| cehteh | thats what i meant with 20Eur .. well i have to figure out and i can wait until its completely worn out | 16:35 |
| cehteh | haha | 16:35 |
| cityLights | where? | 16:35 |
| cehteh | dunno where the next repair center is | 16:35 |
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| cehteh | cityLights: when you find one in munich you can get me a audio jack :P .. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: google saremi | 16:36 |
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| cehteh | i doubt karlsruhe has a nokia repair center | 16:36 |
| cityLights | nice we both got to this issue the same time | 16:36 |
| cityLights | I can get your part from munich... | 16:37 |
| cehteh | nah mine started detoriating quite quickly | 16:37 |
| cityLights | just find me the repair center | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: mechanically? | 16:37 |
| cehteh | yes | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 16:37 |
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| cehteh | headphone sometimes gives no contact on either ear | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you shall not ubricate your hs-plug with sand! | 16:38 |
| cityLights | my N800 screen display is now rolling upword | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lubricate* | 16:38 |
| cehteh | you have to juggle the connector a bit then it works | 16:38 |
| cityLights | like them old tvs | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's usually the spring contacts of receptacle to mobo | 16:38 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: its more about wiggling and spring load and maybe corrosion, not sand | 16:38 |
| cehteh | yes i suspect that too | 16:38 |
| cehteh | maybe i can fix that without a new thing | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | so simply disassemble and clean | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:39 |
| cehteh | well .. so far i avoided disassembling my device | 16:39 |
| cityLights | well, I still hope to find the nokia repair center | 16:39 |
| cityLights | I would need help with that. I guess | 16:39 |
| cityLights | btw, I know how to solder - fine | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | clean the mobo pads with "blauer radiergummi", and the whole recepltacle with contact spray and lots of clean alcohol | 16:40 |
| cehteh | yes | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | and maybe stretch out the contacts a little | 16:40 |
| cehteh | hehe contact spray for the rescue | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ocid-loesend! | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oxid * | 16:41 |
| cehteh | i done such repairs a lot .. but usually i try to avoid them and push them back as long as i can | 16:41 |
| cityLights | lazy? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and DO NOT apply contact spray to any switch or anything else on mobo | 16:41 |
| cehteh | well every disassembling and bending will detoriate it a little more and there are some screws and parts which actually should be replaced when reassembling .. but i cant do that here | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the proper contact spray with oxid-remover always neads rinsing after usage | 16:42 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: haha i told you that this worked well for me .. but i know what i am doing and wont apply that to any swiches where not needed (wich are currently all) | 16:42 |
| * cityLights ZZzzz | 16:42 | |
| cehteh | maybe a bit contact spay on the contact surfaces of the audio jack (applied with a cotton swab) and maybe for the locking switch .. have to look carefully how it looks meachanically | 16:44 |
| cehteh | i am not going to bathe the device in contact spray :) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly a dry clean unvarnished business card usually works better than contact spray, for all contacts you can apply wiping to them | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the only aloowed method to clean video heads in rotary drums... errr, seems nobody else knows what I'm talking about | 16:46 |
| cehteh | well dry cleaning contacts doesnt prevent future corrosion, actually when you clean them, they coorode even easier because of the more exposed surface then .. but contact spay only helps when there cant be any dust sticking to it | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo all the stuff in N900 is solid gold plated | 16:47 |
| cehteh | is it? .. i somehow doubt the locking switch is :) | 16:47 |
| cehteh | the contact pads on the mobo maybe | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the hs receptacle srpings | 16:48 |
| cehteh | still i have this 'wackelkontakt' .. | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for your AV problem: everything | 16:48 |
| cehteh | yes | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | dirt - just remove it. Contact spray w/o rinsing won't help | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | a business card though will do wonders | 16:50 |
| cehteh | i wont use an eraser on gold plated contacts, just paper is abrasive enough usually | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:50 |
| cehteh | you suggested that :P | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, sorry | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the 3.5mm hole you may use a *clean* (unwaxed) wooden stick the shape of a plug - roughly | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or roll a "pole" from a piece of business card | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | treat the pads on mobo and pad contact springs with a plain unvarnisched business card, gently wiping it several times until you think it can't get any better | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then maybe use a good mag glass and closely inspect the pads and contacts, *gently* bend then out a lil itsy bit | 16:55 |
| mr_jrt | Random question. Does anyone know how I can get gdb to load libraries quicker? - I'm using Qt Creator on XP to debug my stuff on my N900 and it's taking a few minutes to load each library - and it's driving me nuts. E.g.: "14:48:38.093 Library /usr/lib/rtcom-eventlogger/plugins/libcall.so loaded" "14:50:56.939 Library /usr/lib/rtcom-eventlogger/plugins/libchat.so loaded" | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you, by any odd incidence, using a VM in a VM in a VM? | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | expect a performance punishment of factor 10 for each VM | 16:58 |
| mer_ge | further observation about the power-button-unlock issue: | 16:58 |
| mr_jrt | Nah. Straight XP, actual N900, connected via Wifi | 16:58 |
| mer_ge | when a program is open in the foreground before locking, the power button immediately displays the unlock screen | 16:58 |
| mer_ge | otherwise, not | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mr_jrt: don't get it | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | how are you running gdb under XP? | 16:59 |
| mr_jrt | Qt Creator ships with the mingw versions | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc, I pass | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i other words: what's XP? | 17:00 |
| mr_jrt | Np. Keep looking elsewhere I guess. gdb-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.exe is the image, btw. | 17:00 |
| mr_jrt | Windows XP ;) | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | <mr_jrt> Nah. Straight XP, actual N900, connected via Wifi | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | use a USB cable and USB networking or debug on-device | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Creator doesn't just run gdb, it uses some server & client thing | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | so wifi will be slow | 17:03 |
| mr_jrt | Oh, I'll give it a shot. Wouldn't have though it'd make that much difference? | 17:04 |
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| alterego | Holla | 17:07 |
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| alterego | Holla | 17:09 |
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| * GAN900 yawns | 17:15 | |
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| RST38h | In SF already? | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | And its cold. | 17:16 |
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| wmarone_ | it's always cold in SF | 17:21 |
| mr_jrt | Holy jeebus! I have a working debugger again! | 17:21 |
| wmarone_ | when it isn't, it's blazing hot everywhere else | 17:21 |
| mr_jrt | Thanks for the help. Never even entered into my mind going back to USB would make any difference at all. How bizzare. | 17:22 |
| Lantizia | anyone recognize this style of script (i.e. know what utility made it - or is meant to read it?).... http://pastebin.com/SBhnt2nS | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | yw mr_jrt :) | 17:28 |
| ruskie | hmm what's the best nav app on the n900? | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, it's a "layout" file | 17:29 |
| Venemo | yo MohammadAG :) | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | heya Venemo | 17:30 |
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| MohammadAG | Lantizia, basically, make your own eMMC image, then create a fiasco with fiasco-gen | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | -l, --layout=ARG Location of layout description file | 17:30 |
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| Lantizia | MohammadAG, I've been modifying this file since the updated vanilla emmc first came out (the old one didn't have it... but you can see the file with head -n 17 emmc.bin) | 17:32 |
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| Lantizia | MohammadAG, normally i just change /home to be 8192 from 2048... stumbled on it and it worked ages ago, do you think I'd be able to get it to make the MyDocs partition ext3 instead of vfat? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | yes, probably | 17:34 |
| Lantizia | see the flasher doesn't like that :P | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | how come? | 17:34 |
| Lantizia | you get "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1." when it's about to flash | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, I'm guessing it's cause ext3 != vfat | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | in terms of byte size | 17:35 |
| Lantizia | changing the number of MB for /home is fine... change vfat for ext3 on the mydocs area and it dunna like it :P | 17:35 |
| Lantizia | i don't follow? | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | then again, I hate all this byte size stuff | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | it's a binary, you have to keep it the same size or it'll break | 17:36 |
| Lantizia | mmcblk0p1 is mydocs and i want that to be ext3 | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if changing a number is the same as changing a letter to a number | 17:36 |
| Lantizia | mmcblk0p2 is home and i can have that as 8192 instead of 2048 dead easy | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, might know more | 17:36 |
| Lantizia | oh it's the same filesize - that's not the issue | 17:37 |
| Lantizia | i always wondered why the first partition in the layout doesn't have a size specified | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing it means the rest | 17:38 |
| Lantizia | and no_create = "true"; ? | 17:38 |
| Lantizia | where did you see this btw? <MohammadAG> -l, --layout=ARG Location of layout description file | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | fiasco-gen --help | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | you can create a vanilla image yourself | 17:38 |
| Lantizia | is there any guides? i don't seem to have that command | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | unpack the existing one with flasher-3.5 -F some.bin -u | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uh?? | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | you need scratchbox | 17:39 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, ? | 17:40 |
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| * jonne|reconnecte is playing Miami by Teddiedrum on Miami. | 17:40 | |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cBcuyf2j | 17:40 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, is this documented someplace? | 17:40 |
| jonne|reconnecte | whoops | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | fisco-gen?? | 17:40 |
| jonne|reconnecte | wrong channel | 17:40 |
| jonne|reconnecte | sorry | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please educate us :-) | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, generates .fiasco files | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much :-P | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | it's what used when a kernel's packaged | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | (and a reason Paul hated dpkg-buildpackage was because it uses it, and it's non-free) | 17:41 |
| Lantizia | i don't want to remake the flash file though - just the vanilla emmc so it partitions differently | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | you can append mmc images with it | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do you think it's worth a "locate fiasco-gen" on a system with SB? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | locate fiasco-gen | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahah | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's in the package fiasco-gen | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | sdk-fiasco-gen* | 17:42 |
| Lantizia | i'm a bit lost now... is it, or is it not... possible to remake the eMMC image so it has a different layout file? | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing (read: guessing), it is | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | fiasco != eMMC image afaik | 17:43 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, I know it isn't - which is why I'm confused | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer as well | 17:43 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, same stuff actually | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just start learning about fiasco-gen | 17:43 |
| Lantizia | the emmc bin just seems to be a filesystem storing mydocs with a layout file prepended | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | grr, don't have flasher | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart Nokia | 17:46 |
| * infobot keeps mailing Nokia free America Online CDs until he drowns | 17:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for not opening NOLO | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Downloads$ flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | Unpacking mmc image to file 'mmc'... | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can take their gfx stuff there and eat it, just publish it as gfx-hexdesert.h | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULAME3.97 (beta)UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | wtf is that | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | it's in the mmc file | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | songs | 17:48 |
| Lantizia | something to do with lame mp3 encoder? | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | Gresby NashTIT2 | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | You Think You Want ItTPE1 | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | This is not a boot disk. Remove, and press a key to reboot. <-- lol | 17:50 |
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| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/custom] > fiasco-gen --mmc=mmc -l layout -g -o test.fiasco | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | fiasco-gen v2.8.2 (Jan 26 2010) | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | Adding mmc : mmc (255947 kB) | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | hey that worked | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | who's the brave soul who wants to flash that? | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/GTgyN91x | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | here's a layout file, feel free to edit & test | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3Zqs7PRq | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | Get the eMMC fiasco vanilla image | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | you'll get an "mmc" file | 17:56 |
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| MohammadAG | now use fiasco-gen -mmc=mmc --layout=editedLayout -g -o newfilename.bin | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | fiasco-gen --mmc=mmc --layout=editedLayout -g -o newfilename.bin | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | FYI, the same can be done to create custom rootfs images, with a custom kernel and stuff | 17:58 |
| b-man` | heh, didn't know fiasco-gen took scripts, awesome :) | 17:58 |
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| GAN900 | Anything interesting going in SF today? | 18:18 |
| GAN900 | Other than that AppUp BS. | 18:18 |
| derf | There's the Maker Faire in San Mateo. | 18:21 |
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| dm8tbr | free exopcs again? :) | 18:29 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, What I really want is /home to be ext3, and MyDocs to be ext3... However is you make mmcblk0p1 (MyDocs) ext3 then when you reboot it thinks this is home and uses that (and fines a shit load in /home/opt missing and fucks up | 18:32 |
| Lantizia | Alot of guides show you how to swap mmcblk0p1 for mmcblk0p2 (i.e. the partition with /home becomes MyDocs, the partition with MyDocs becomes /home) | 18:33 |
| Lantizia | but that means you can't use the USB mass storage any more | 18:33 |
| Lantizia | so I'm guessing on boot up it looks for the first ext3 partition (or maybe first partition with type ID 83) on the eMMC and thinks this should be mounted as /home | 18:33 |
| Lantizia | so I'm gonna try giving mmcblk0p1 partition ID 43 instead lol | 18:34 |
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| Lantizia | i don't think editing the layout file would help even if it did make them both ext3 | 18:34 |
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| Lantizia | omg that seems to have worked | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: (anything intersting in SF) maybe a good question for #meegoconf chan? | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: (it looks for the first ext3 partition) afaik that's *exactly* what the sbin/preinit script does | 18:42 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, i.e. the first partition to use type ID 83? or the first partition that the mount.ext3 command works on? | 18:42 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, because I just had it on type 43 (an old linux native type ID) as ext3 and it didn't use it as /home | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just will find out by 'less /sbin/preinit' | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | even leaving it on type "c" works :P | 18:44 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, well I think i've cracked it except one thing - do you which script re-mounts the mydocs once the usb is disconnected? (want to remove whatever bit says it should expect vfat) | 18:45 |
| Lantizia | then it'll all be fine | 18:45 |
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| moo__ | MohammadAG: YO, mo you there? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, it's a ke-rcv or similar process thing | 18:46 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 | 18:47 |
| povbot | Bug 8179: ke-recv cannot work when /home/user/MyDocs is ext3 partition (here solution) | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and MohammadAG should know which script is used to remount the MyDocs and uSD | 18:47 |
| moo__ | where to re[port cssu bugs? | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG | moo__, sup | 18:49 |
| moo__ | yo | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | ke-recv-test de afaik | 18:49 |
| moo__ | MohammadAG: I am not sure where to report cssu bugs so im gonna tell you | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | bugs.maemo.org would be the right place but go ahead | 18:50 |
| moo__ | MohammadAG: when you switch away from the stock media player (task change) then change back | 18:50 |
| moo__ | the pause button becomes a stop button | 18:50 |
| moo__ | thus | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | and this is a CSSU bug how? :P | 18:50 |
| moo__ | if i switch away form the media player to do somthing then switch back and want to pause the song I have to stop it, move the slider to the appropriate time and press play again | 18:51 |
| moo__ | I dont know if this is CSSU related but it is a behaviour that has only appeared since i installed the cssu | 18:51 |
| moo__ | anyhows, I thought I would say | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | we haven't touched mafw, and the stock player is closed (haven't replaced that with my rewrite yet...) | 18:52 |
| moo__ | fair enough, my conscious is clear! | 18:52 |
| * merlin1991 is trying to find a female to female usb adapter + an usb y kable but has no luck at all | 18:52 | |
| MohammadAG | actually, my rewrite isn't done yet, though I use it daily now :P | 18:52 |
| moo__ | does your re-write use mafw? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | I would say mafw is emitting the non seekable signal | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 mer_ge | 18:52 |
| merlin1991 | every sinlge usb y kable I found had at least on one end the wrong plug | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | err, merlin1991 * | 18:53 |
| merlin1991 | morning jaffa | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | moo__, yes, but it doesn't listen to non seekable :p | 18:53 |
| moo__ | okay | 18:53 |
| moo__ | does that mean it 'listens' to the same dbus signals as the stock? | 18:53 |
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| moo__ | i.e. if i send the pause dbus message it will stop both stock and your new one? | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7153#c4 ;-D | 18:59 |
| povbot | Bug 7153: Built-in MMC scripts only support FAT-formatted | 18:59 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I found adapters, what's giving me the headache is a plain usb y cable | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | moo__, technically, the pause signal will pause the backend, but both UIs will react to it yes | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: duh? there are zillions | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, oh the number of Y cables I have ;p | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | actually, I think 2 or 3 :p | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: all I find have mini or some other non A usb plug on one end | 19:03 |
| alterego | Hello from Intel App Up Labs in SF :) | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | so get another male to female adapter :p | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's actually true | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | Hello from #maemo | 19:04 |
| lcuklenovo | what is a usb y cable? | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | an usb cable that has 3 plugs | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuklenovo: a caple with 3 ends | 19:05 |
| merlin1991 | so you can have an additional power source | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | a threesome | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=907080#post907080 | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | a really nice one, hard to find | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | came witj my Q101 3G USB dongle | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the white thing there | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: got one proper usb y cable too much? :D | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually Y-cables come with a mini-USB-M there | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reather than a USB-A-F | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | yep, and that's all I found online too ones with mini-usb-m | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | You also get USB A-A adaptors | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | F-F | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: just fine to plug in arbitrary random usb hub | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | which you can use wih a microUSB and a hub | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Which reminds me, I need to try to make a right angle microUSB | 19:10 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: my target is todo exactly what you did in that post there, you think an usb hub would do too? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | random hubs come with mini-B-F upstream and some 4 USB-A-F downstream | 19:11 |
| moo__ | [ $((RANDOM%6+0)) == 0 ] && x(){ x|x& };x || echo "You live" | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sure | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | moo__, I think it's only fair to warn people first that they're playing russian roulette | 19:13 |
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| user_ | oopz. | 19:14 |
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| moo___ | oopz | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | moo__, I think it's only fair to warn people first that they're playing russian roulette | 19:14 |
| moo___ | i just frork bombed myself | 19:14 |
| moo___ | sorry | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, you lost :P | 19:14 |
| moo___ | i was pasting to wrong terminal | 19:14 |
| moo___ | I lold | 19:15 |
| moo___ | then i pulled the power | 19:15 |
| RST38h | Do pull the power again please | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /kick moo__ | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | fool | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I'll do you the favour | 19:17 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 19:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, already gone | 19:17 |
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| ShadowJK | Saved by dyslexia | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | saved by not knowing about /ns register and /ns ghost | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Whoswas moo__ | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that's been my dyslexia | 19:20 |
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| Jay_BEE | good morning | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -NickServ- Information on moo__ (account moo_): [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : (about 62 weeks ago) [Notice] -NickServ- moo_ is on vacation and has an extended expiry time | 19:22 |
| FireFly|n900 | Quite a vacation | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny detail though: something made me /ns info moo__ some days ago so I already knew this | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems moo__ aka paul likes gambling at the cliff of kickban next to the sea of trolls | 19:26 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Well, even those of us who are incapable of written speech, may still enjoy some light trolling! | 19:27 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I finally found one | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 19:29 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://www.billiger.de/show/produkt/64453009-DeLock-USB-2-0-Y-Anschlusskabel-2x-Stecker-A-an-Buchse-A-0-2m.htm | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | * nop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <-- that was him btw | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to share your find incl proper URL and pic, at tmo H-E-N thread | 19:29 |
| merlin1991 | the female <> female adapter @ the black male end and the power is there :) | 19:30 |
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| merlin1991 | wich form factor is the usb port in the n900? | 19:31 |
| ccooke | merlin1991: micro | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | microusb | 19:31 |
| merlin1991 | I keep mixing up the micro macro and b usb ports | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | micro-b-f | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | so actually the perfect hen cable would have 2 times a usb f and 1 time micro-b-f | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ideal h-e-n cable: micro-b-m | usb-a-f | power-usb-a-m | 19:33 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 19:33 |
| merlin1991 | since then you need a power source | 19:33 |
| merlin1991 | with my thing you can use the n900 charger | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *can use* a power source | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | like the wallwart charger with usb-a-f that you see on my photo | 19:34 |
| merlin1991 | sure, but I'd need the wall charger, but having one isn't as likely as having the regular charger for the n900 when you have one | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed if you want to use arbitrary power sources, then you'd probaly go for a WW cable ;-) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally speaking the power-x-y end of above description may be wahtever meets your needs and preferences, to mate it to whatever you got a PSU | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Mobility 1.2's location API is neat | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | http://i.imgur.com/jlDSk.png | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a mini-ab-f would be great | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus some adapters | 19:37 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: when are we going to see that new sociality update? :D | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | damn it, i found that cable I posted earlier on an austrian page, now I can't find it again | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 19:39 |
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| merlin1991 | shipping germany -> austria > austria -> austria :) | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure piefkes >> austria ;-P | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | but in hong kong - "free shipping" | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/but/buy/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: buy in hong kong - "free shipping" | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | downside: takes 6..8 weeks to deliver | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | well I've got the female <> female adapter from the hong kong shop MohammadAG posted, but the confirmation email still didn't arive :D | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check bottom of your spam filters. those mails tend to be full of crap that makes filters barf | 19:44 |
| merlin1991 | I have all spam filters turned off :) | 19:44 |
| * merlin1991 is the one and only spamfilters for his email accounts | 19:45 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I got mine :p | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | took how long? | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | the email? idk | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | the part? a week I think | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | they must have beamed it | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or did it come by avia carrier, tied to the left foot by some sticky tape? | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html | 19:52 |
| merlin1991 | lmao | 19:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, could be two weeks :p | 19:56 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the 3rd commnet on the rfc is awesome | 19:56 |
| * merlin1991 wonders where he could get the plugs only and do his perfect cable himself | 20:00 | |
| merlin1991 | lol | 20:02 |
| merlin1991 | conrad.at has all the plugs | 20:02 |
| merlin1991 | but they are under telecomonoication -> bus/ethernet | 20:02 |
| merlin1991 | I'm going to get 2 female a 1 microusb female and have some fun soldering :P | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | micro-f DIY at conrad?? o.O | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/747061/USB-EINBAUBUCHSE-AUSFUeHRUNG-A-TOP-ENTRY/SHOP_AREA_40306&promotionareaSearchDetail=005 | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | not exactly meant for cables but enough for diy :D | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | ah sorry | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | didn't read the micro-f | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | that's just the a-f | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, boring | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | but DocScrutinizer http://cgi.ebay.de/Buchse-Nokia-6500-8600-6555-8800-7900-Micro-USB-/290529893766?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item43a4ee5d86 | 20:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders producing and selling THE h-e-n gadget - selfpowered via 4 * AAA or 5mm barrel or via dedicated mini/micro-A-F power only. Upstream by wire quick connect clamps that have attached half CA-101. 4 downstream A-F ports | 20:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | of course can provide and take power at upstream port | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 20:14 |
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| merlin1991 | I'd go for the dedicated micro -f power version :) | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | also build me a prototype ;) | 20:15 |
| trumee | i am planning to finally make the switch to CSSU and also update to power kernel v47. Was wondering does the sequence matter, should i update to pkv47 before CSSU? | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't matter at all | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think cssu updates to PK implicitly | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | cssu is 100% not related to pk | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 20:17 |
| trumee | merlin1991: thanks | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it doesn't matter | 20:17 |
| trumee | is CSSU stable enough? | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | that depends on your definition of "stable" :D | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not using the most recent version | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | with the current cssu you'll get a stable phone | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | with a slightly borked qt version | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | massively borked | 20:18 |
| Jay_BEE | speaking of cssu, can one still run meego 1.2 DE | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | and a camera-ui that is awesome but crashes from time to time | 20:18 |
| trumee | merlin1991: as long as sip calls are not affected i am good | 20:18 |
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| trumee | merlin1991: ugghh, non working camera is no good | 20:19 |
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| merlin1991 | it does work | 20:19 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: you still with PR1.2? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | only sometimes the ui hangs and you have to kill it | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu 1.3.3.7-7 or sth | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just fine and rock solid, as there were no "borking fixes" in that version yet | 20:20 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: cool. | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas MohammadAG refuses to create a cssu-TRUEtesting release based on it | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | no, he doesn't refuse to do that :p | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | he was just waiting for the new Qt Mobility 1.2 APIs to pop up in -devel | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | which they did | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so unless you don't mind to fuzz around with downgrading particular patches or installing cssu by the pkg with explicit version, you're stuck with the f'd-up recent version | 20:21 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: any plans of updating the telepathy-sip pacakges in cssu? | 20:22 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 | 20:22 |
| povbot | Bug 11944: Repackage latest builds of sofia-sip and telepathy-sofiasip | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu seems to gain distance to a point of being a true alternative for end users, every day more | 20:23 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: why is that? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | featuritis | 20:24 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: oops misread your statement. Yes cssu features look good | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | adding new "cool stuff" while not caring about releasing a true testing version meant to be *stable* rather than bleeding edge | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | What? A new cssu? | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, actually, no, the old Qt Mobility was broken and I'd break it further if I pushed the old packages | 20:25 |
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| trumee | merlin1991: so what is the impact of broken Qt on applications? are there some which dont work? | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: BTW, could you please, PLEASE disable portrait mode app switcher? It is ugly like hell | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, I don't give a flying F* about HAM in portrait mode, and also I don't want a modest with portrait support that segfaults, or in a semi-experimental replacement for camera-ui. I want a cssu that FIXES bugs, not introduces new ones | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | trumee: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, fixed in next version | 20:27 |
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| cehteh | btw anyone bored here? .. i am (slowly) hacking on a p2p filesystem, bored developers who want to end their boredom are welcome :P | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | that's afaik the regression in qt | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: thanks! =) | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: P2P filesystem? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Mr Smith, 57, first had sex with a car at the age of 15. He regularly spends time with his several vehicles a 1973 Opal GT and a 1993 Ford Ranger Splash. | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Previously, he had a five-year relationship with Victoria, a 1969 VW Beetle he bought from a family of Jehovah's Witnesses. | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, feel free to help with bugs, rather than complain | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | modest segfaults, try to find out why | 20:28 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: distributed with caching on a local filesystem, supporting disconnected operation, mirroring etc | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no, I'm definitely not going to help fix bugs faster than other guys are introducing new ones | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I think I'm not drunk, did I read that right? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Scr0rpius has some more data on this. Apparently, Modest guys never free the memory they allocate | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Yes, you did | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html (with a photo of the perpetrator) | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I clearly stated what's the correct way to go for cssu, and that we're screwed if we delay any further to care about a stability-focused release based on a rather "mature" version that has NO new untested shit | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | Doc: You are the guy still using PR1.2, so a bit too extreme for mainstream :) | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Still, there is a few stability bugs in CSSU that freak me out. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | me using PR1.2? | 20:32 |
| cehteh | RST38h: electric vehicles will end his pleasure :) | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Doc: Haven't you said once that PR1.3 bringsnothing but trouble and instability? | 20:32 |
| RST38h | cehteh: *depends*. | 20:33 |
| cehteh | i dont want to go into details | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I said the bleeding edge recent releases bring more trouble than benefit, yes | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Am I the only one noticing that after a few days (5+) rotation stops working in some apps, and works erratically in the others? | 20:33 |
| RST38h | For example, Qthello no longer rotates. | 20:33 |
| RST38h | And HAM *always* goes into portrait mode, no matter what | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-22 19:19:10] <trumee> DocScrutinizer: you still with PR1.2? [2011-05-22 19:19:31] <DocScrutinizer> cssu 1.3.3.7-7 or sth | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-22 19:20:12] <DocScrutinizer> it's just fine and rock solid, as there were no "borking fixes" in that version yet | 20:34 |
| cehteh | this rotation thing is really broken in some ways | 20:34 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | I get the impression cssu is like everybody's random hack-feature included, with the 5-12 bugs every such hack causes as side effect :-) | 20:34 |
| RST38h | cehteh: "Forced Rotation" option is broken | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | Cehteh: But that is expected. | 20:35 |
| cehteh | RST38h: not only that | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Cehteh: The problem is, even with forced thingie off, there are still some weird behaviors | 20:35 |
| RST38h | HAM is one, erratic Phone app rotation is another | 20:35 |
| cehteh | thumbs in task manager are broken, it adds shitload of latency, some apps behave erratically even if turned off | 20:35 |
| cehteh | yes | 20:35 |
| RST38h | And somethird party apps (Qthello, Opera) failing to rotate after a few days is the thir | 20:35 |
| RST38h | d | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exact description of last 2 or 2 releases of cssu | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 or 3 | 20:36 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Mohammas says the task manager will be back to landscape in the next update | 20:36 |
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| cehteh | the mediaplayer cant rotate in a good way too but gets stuck | 20:36 |
| RST38h | cehteh: But, at least it is clear WHY task manager behaved that way | 20:36 |
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| cehteh | firefox goes for another lunch break when rotating | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Ah, forget the Firefox,it is a steaming pile of you know what | 20:37 |
| cehteh | yes | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | Phone / Media Player / etc should rotate properly though | 20:37 |
| cehteh | well and the normal desktops should support rotation to be consistent with the system | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, no | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | it'll behave in portrait, i.e not look shitty | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: REALLY? Cool =) | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | I could include a key to disable it, right now you can disable the task manager AND the menu rotation | 20:38 |
| * RST38h thought it was impossible, due to a few hints in the code | 20:38 | |
| MohammadAG | not OR though | 20:38 |
| cehteh | i want a quadratic or even round screen on my next phone to end all this issues :P | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Of course a key would be nice, but if those things behave in portrait now, I won't disable it :) | 20:38 |
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| cehteh | even disableing it .. works for some apps and for others not | 20:39 |
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| cehteh | its all inconsistent | 20:39 |
| cehteh | does it use xrandr? guess not | 20:39 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop does the rotation | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Yea, it is not very standard :( | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for the record: 20.2010.36-2maemo13 | 20:40 |
| RST38h | And every app can declare that it supports rotation, then the desktop will pass rotation events to it | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | CSSU | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | it's just an animation and resizing X RST38h :p | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just fine | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mostly | 20:40 |
| cehteh | and the rotation latency makes it overall very sluggish | 20:40 |
| RST38h | The "forced rotation" thing makes it pass events anyway | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: plz check #maemo-ssu | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I did, and I replied | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | or... | 20:41 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Yea, but the messages are not delivered via simple Resize afaik | 20:41 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I had to deal with it at one point | 20:41 |
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| cehteh | imo it fails already at a 'sound' model for desktop rotation conceptually .. its just glued afterwards | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, in Qt it's just a window resize | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | well, desktop resize | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, tbh, Maemo rotation > MeeGo's | 20:42 |
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| cehteh | there is no meego yet :P | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | but MeeGo's is faster/smoother, so it depends which way you look at it | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo doesn't rotate X, Maemo does | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | that causes a black flicker in maemo | 20:43 |
| cehteh | i enabled the meego style rotation | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | in MeeGo it rotates the visual display, the mouse is still pointing upwards though | 20:43 |
| cehteh | but thats not it | 20:43 |
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| MohammadAG | meego-style is not meego-way | 20:43 |
| cehteh | yeah i guess so | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | show the mouse pointer in meego | 20:43 |
| cehteh | maemo is just broken conceptually | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's always pointing towards the Nokia logo | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | even after rotation | 20:44 |
| cehteh | i dont have meego | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | no, I like maemo's concept better | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | the meego concept is iPhone-ish | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | rotation is overrated | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck portrait forced foo fart - WHERE IS THE STABLE BUGFIXING CSSU? | 20:45 |
| cehteh | yes .. better without it than broken | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: That is in Qt :) | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu IS NOT maemo-experimental | 20:45 |
| RST38h | It abstracts stuff | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | never meant to be | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | n900 kb is kinda hints that you want to hold screen horisontally. the only moment when you want to hold n900 vertically is during a call | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | s/kb is/kb/ | 20:46 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: n900 kb kinda hints that you want to hold screen horisontally. the only moment when you want to hold n900 vertically is during a call | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I definitely discourage cssu usage (for any normal user who's not thinking of his phone as a playground) - until there's a cssu true-testing (meant for stable) package based on 20.2010.36-2maemo13 with NO fancy new untested stuff on top of it | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | all you do is complain | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Same thing with Qt Mobility | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what else shall I do? tie all the devels until they start doing the right thing and stop doing nasty BS? | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer I'm going for the really ugly solution, I'll solder the power source into the usb a -f to a-f adapter | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | either send patches, or don't add noise | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're actually discouraging devels | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, and that's what those devels need | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | no one's being paid to give out CSSU patches | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | adding patches isn't a good thing in itself, as long as there's no masterplan and sound rationale behind it | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | my CSSU works perfect | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the rationale of replacing camera-ui by a semi-experimental shaky new implemetation, then forcefeeding this to the users that are mainly interested in cssu's primary goal of FIXING BUGS in maemo-stock? | 20:57 |
| Sc0rpius | that's where you're wrong | 20:57 |
| Sc0rpius | who said CSSU is just to fix stock bugs? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really discouraging - for joe average user | 20:58 |
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| Sc0rpius | the Joe averaging user actually want to see his phone different everytime he updates | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bullshit | 20:58 |
| Sc0rpius | even if Joe gets a more stable version of the OS he'll say "I see no difference" | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bullshit | 20:58 |
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| Sc0rpius | so I think both things are important, fixing bugs, but giving it a new and fresh look | 20:59 |
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| merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer the regressions in cssu compared to pr1.3 for me are the currently borked qt and some crashes on the camera ui | 21:00 |
| merlin1991 | modest did crash before and still does so with no felt difference in amount of crashes | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody incl myself -except those playground autistic devels - wants to give a cssu a try that introduces more new severe problems than it fixes. Not even for the benefit of a fscking "fresh view" | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | calling this thing "testing" is mere bold | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody likes to "test" this | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're not your guinea pigs | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | then don't use it | 21:03 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah, nobody's forcing you to :P | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok fuckers, but then don't call it "testing" and recommend it to normal users | 21:04 |
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| merlin1991 | I believe that's called a ragequit | 21:05 |
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| Sc0rpius | so all this is because it's called "testing" and not "unstable" or something? | 21:05 |
| joppu | http://i.solidfiles.net/1c1a.png work in progress | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | It's mostly because of breaking stuff that works | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | for example? | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | because everything works for me pretty well | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | look, I admit Qt's broken | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | and that's getting reverted in the next version | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Since I've been travelling a lot, could we make more use of maemo-developers rather than IRC? TVM :-) | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | but the way he ALWAYS complains with no help whatsoever to fix things is annoying | 21:08 |
| Jaffa | This goes for DocScrutinizer51 as well, so he doesn't need to keep making the same argument :-) | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, no, it's not, the -51 version is there | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | I'd call it "testing" if all changes were aimed at fixing bugs and the unknown factor was whether the bugfix has caused new bugs somewhere else as side-effect | 21:08 |
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| Jaffa | ShadowJK: And how do you "test" new features? | 21:08 |
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| ShadowJK | First you start by not selling it as a fix :) | 21:10 |
| merlin1991 | actually DocScrutinizer has a valid point there, the term testing is misleading for the current way it goes | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | Someone needs to come up with a roadmap to -stable | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, can you look into the memory bug? | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | Seems to me it's more like a chaotic playground for random cool hacks than a long-term maintenance project :-) | 21:11 |
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| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Patches to processes welcome. | 21:12 |
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| Sc0rpius | I've been looking into it, but it's hard to get | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | is that a diff against /dev/null then? | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | my next approach will be using dmalloc or something like that to see where the memory leak is | 21:12 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 21:16 |
| cehteh | my debugging library going to get a memory checker .. but its not finished yet | 21:16 |
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| Jay_BEE | re | 22:43 |
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| vi__ | rm680 | 22:51 |
| vi__ | rm680 -r | 22:51 |
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| mer_ge | how can I remove the "MMS" network entry I created with fMMS? | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | switch to havoc mode in options | 23:11 |
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| Macer | debconf: (No usable dialog-like program is installed, | 23:15 |
| Macer | anybody know what i have to install to fix that? | 23:15 |
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| mer_ge | MohammadAG i'm not sure what you mean. what options? | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | fmms options | 23:26 |
| mer_ge | oh, i removed it | 23:26 |
| mer_ge | i'll bring it back | 23:26 |
| Macer | got cups installed and foomatic-rip built :) | 23:26 |
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| mer_ge | thanks MohammadAG | 23:33 |
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| vi__ | hello | 23:47 |
| vi__ | who here has experiance with el scratchbox | 23:47 |
| Macer | wtf. why is my music skipping when i play it off the sd? | 23:47 |
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| vi__ | becasue it is gabba? | 23:48 |
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| vi__ | so i have compile my osurce code into a program | 23:51 |
| vi__ | and it appears to have worked | 23:51 |
| vi__ | so I have this xephyr screen session thing | 23:52 |
| vi__ | and my binary | 23:52 |
| vi__ | how do I invole my binary on the xephyr screen thing? | 23:52 |
| vi__ | how do I invoke my binary on the xephyr screen thing? | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | vi__, | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | there are a number of steps | 23:53 |
| lcuk | you first have to know the name of the application, then collect together the following things, eye of newt, hair of old woman and leg of an ostrich. put on your wizards hat and say aloud "[yourcommand] I SUMMON THEE!" | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | or type the application name from where you ran make | 23:54 |
| lcuk | alternatively, ssh into the app and run it from there | 23:54 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I thought the first version was more dramatic | 23:55 |
| lcuk | YMMV though | 23:55 |
| vi__ | ssh 'into' the app? | 23:55 |
| vi__ | yu trollin' bro | 23:55 |
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| vi__ | Im noob, not nube | 23:56 |
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| Macer | vi__: probably best to move it over to a phone and run it | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | vi__, terminolgy, ssh into the running emulated system and run your command | 23:58 |
| lcuk | I was actually far from trolling and just pulling your leg | 23:58 |
| vi__ | ah, ok | 23:58 |
| Macer | lcuk: how goes it? | 23:58 |
| Macer | wtf is up with using the sd? | 23:58 |
| trumee | i have just reflashed the device to PR1.3, how can i get cssu 1.3.3.7-7 with apt-get? | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | macer it is good thanks | 23:59 |
| Macer | the sd seems to completely screw my n900 up | 23:59 |
| Macer | trying to move internally on the phone itself from the sd to the mmc and it is just frozen | 23:59 |
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