IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-05-18

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lardmanRST38h: The Grundian has some interesting things in it sometimes, like this: http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house00:14
lardmansorry I meant Guardian of course ;)00:15
pupnikin some ways that looks pretty00:20
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lardmannot sure I like the roller blinds at the front when all the other openings have nuclear-proof concrete slabs! :)00:21
RST38hlardman: But...mmm.... don't they break through the glass?00:21
* RST38h moos at javispedro00:22
* javispedro moos back00:22
javispedropardon the absence, but believe me, it was well worth it :)00:23
lardmanRST38h: scroll down a bit, I think the concrete shutters stop that00:23
RST38hlardman: Anyway, you have got the housing, while we have got ZOMBIES: http://idu-shagayu.livejournal.com/2527348.html#cutid100:23
lardmanand the roller blind00:23
pupnikwhat you been doing javispedro00:23
RST38hjavispedro: Was it WebOS or the opposite gender? =)00:23
* javispedro graduated this very morning, and even has a job in mind, so life's in order00:23
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pupnikcongrats!00:24
lardmanRST38h: hmm, my Russian is a little rusty, time to get Google on the case00:24
RST38hlardman: forget the text, pictures say it all00:24
lardmanlol Google reckons that's Italian on auto-detect :D00:24
javispedropupnik: ty00:24
RST38hjavispedro: !00:25
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lardmanjavispedro: indeed congratulations :)00:25
pupnikis that zombie eating borscht?00:25
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lardmanpupnik: you know that's a sure sign of a zombie, have you not read the guide? ;)00:26
pupniki think it's something else made with paprikas00:27
RST38hlardman: + http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5604/bender008.20/0_66075_4d7424e4_orig00:28
javispedroty lardman :)00:28
lardmanRST38h: no I want the link to #18!00:29
lardman"18. Mmm what a girl in the red. "00:29
lardmanunfortunately the web seems to be going vvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrryyy slowly here00:29
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DocScrutinizer51hey javispedro \o/ - long time no see!00:31
javispedroheya DocScrutinizer5100:32
GeneralAntillesYes, indeed. Long time no see.00:32
GeneralAntillesHopefully productive things distracted you from this bs.00:32
lardmanjavispedro: don't try blaming the exams, MohammadAG has already used that excuse ;)00:32
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javispedroexams? thesis!00:33
RST38hqwerty12 used that excuse to quit!00:33
RST38hbefore he used his second excuse that is.00:33
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lardmanlol00:33
lardmanjavispedro: ok thesis is a new one, we'll give you that one :D00:34
MacerRST38h: which was?00:34
Macerwas that the maemo community sucked rant?00:34
lardmanAndroid has better hw?00:34
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Macer:) which was true i suppose00:34
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, ah congraduations to your gradumalation.00:34
Macerjavispedro: do your thesis in abiword on your n900 with a bt keyboard00:35
Macerit will give you a sense of satisfaction about buying it00:35
Maceror should is say... FINALLY give you a sense of satisfaction haha00:35
DocScrutinizer51hey Dr. javispedro00:36
javispedroundergrad thesis =)00:36
lardmanMacer: lol, I wrote a 3rd year project on a Psion series 5. That was bloody painful00:36
RST38hjavispedro: that obviously has to be fixed00:36
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: so no dr (yet) ;)00:36
Macerlardman: i did my fair share of stuff like that on my n9500:36
RST38hlardman: I have seen a guy who did his thesis in MS Word00:36
Macerusiong this same keyboard as a matter of fact00:36
Macerwow this thing is pretty old heh00:36
lardmanjavispedro: DocScrutinizer and I are both Doctors, so perhaps we could do you an honorary one ;)00:37
javispedrothere's still a chance I get a cum laude for it, so it's been quite a bit of hard work00:37
Macerbut it works SO good in maemo now00:37
Maceri can just molest it00:37
RST38hlardman: He was completely bold and had to type it in 20-page chunks, because Word crashed on bigger documents00:37
mece\o00:37
RST38hs/bold/bald/00:37
infobotRST38h meant: lardman: He was completely bald and had to type it in 20-page chunks, because Word crashed on bigger documents00:37
MacerRST38h: hahaha00:37
Macerwould sure suck if it crashed after typing 1900:38
lardmanRST38h: Bloody M$ Word wasn't happy with my thesis, at the last minute it started arsing about with page breaks, section formatting, the whole lot. Craptastic00:38
RST38hEntering mathematical formulas was particularly tricky00:38
Maceri'm guessing he was saving it every 10 seconds00:38
RST38hlardman: Real men use LaTeX00:38
MacerHAHAH00:38
lardmanyeah yeah!00:38
* javispedro used LaTeX.... and beamer...00:38
Macerlatex.. woooo!00:38
RST38hlardman: [keeps them from overusing graphics too, given how painful it is to prepare graphics for latex]00:38
lardmanRST38h: yeah I've heard that about it :)00:39
* Macer goes back to his west wing00:39
Macerlove this show00:39
meceWow, I love the Zombie house! Absolutely beautifyl!00:39
* javispedro now has a few days of "nothing to do" until paperwork is done, so I'm pondering what project update first00:40
lardmanMacer: when you said that earlier I thought of Green Wing and was going to suggest Campus (which was shot on my campus)00:40
Macerhaha00:40
RST38hMeanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/00:40
lardmanmece: got to wonder how long it would take to close the blast doors though in case of zombie attack....00:40
RST38hjavispedro: preenv? ;)00:40
javispedrovery probably, got a lot of patches to merge...00:40
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javispedroeither way. what's new and cool?00:41
RST38hWell...N9 (or N950) has passed the FCC00:41
RST38hand some promo videos started showing up00:41
javispedroGeneralAntilles: btw, was quite unsatisfied with Portal2. Way too short. (I bet you bought it? ;) )00:42
RST38hAccording to Eldar (sic), Nokia will start discussing selling its mobile division to MS in a week, expecting to finish the deal by the end of 201100:42
lcukjavispedro, is it playable?00:42
lardmanjavispedro: what does one do in Portal?00:42
* lcuk has not yet tried it00:42
lardmanI'm playing Crysis 2 atm00:42
lcuklardman, original portal was puzzle based on jumping through a pair of portal windows you could fire at different parts of the room00:43
lardmanso it's a cross between puzzle and FPS?00:43
lcukhighly addictive, me and jake would play for hours00:43
mecegaah! the N9/50 speculations are turning my hair grey00:43
* lardman passes the Just For Men00:43
javispedrolcuk: obviously, it is nice, a bit of an evolution from the first game, no big surprises... but sadly, just a bit longer. less than 8h total single-player game for me, and I'm quite slow.00:44
lcuklardman, FPS arena with brainwork to solve the puzzles00:44
RST38hmece: FCC filing is no speculation00:44
lardmanok00:44
javispedroRST38h: saw fcc stuff, no fmtx =(00:44
lardmanRST38h: do you have a link for the FCC stuff?00:44
RST38hjavispedro: does not mean it is not there00:44
javispedrobut "it should" mean that00:45
RST38hlardman: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRM-68000:45
lardmanhmm, interesting: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forbidden-LEGO-Models-Parents-Against/dp/1593271379/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1305668702&sr=8-500:45
javispedroin my brief contact with real life paperwork I've come to learn that one should use the word SHOULD more often..00:45
lardmanthe title at least00:45
lardmanthanks RST38h00:45
RST38hjavispedro: may just be disabled00:46
RST38hjavispedro: the planned production volume is rumored to be in the 100000 range00:47
lardmanso it has n-band Wifi00:47
lardmann-mode even00:48
javispedrooh, I thought that 100000 was the MSRP =)00:48
meceRST38h, where'd you get those numbers?00:48
RST38hmece: no longer remember, but looked semi-credible(i.e. had a source attached)00:48
RST38hThe most intriguing question is not what it has, but how are we going to get one... Given all the havoc at Nokia, will they even sell those to normal people?00:50
mecehehehe http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1008605&postcount=11200:50
javispedrovideo?00:50
RST38hmece: *yawn*00:50
meceRST38h, that's the part that's giving me grey hairs.00:50
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mecejavispedro, "btw. I had a phone call with Nokia some hours ago. They will start  investigation who leaked that video tomorrow. Someone is in serious  trouble..."00:50
javispedrozehjotkah is really enjoying his position...00:51
meceyep00:51
Sc0rpiuswhat video?!?!?00:51
lardmanRST38h: are we normal people?00:51
Sc0rpiuslemme see the video!00:51
pupnik i hope not00:51
meceSc0rpius, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg00:51
javispedroI met him at MWC, iirc he joined intel...00:51
Sc0rpiusthx00:51
pupnikzekot has a job?00:51
mecehe said he's a blogger00:52
lardmanBattery BL-4D, how many mAh is that i wonder00:52
mece1.2Ah00:52
lardmanthanks00:52
javispedropupnik: his position was more of "community engager" or sth along the lines00:52
pupnikit's gorgeous, i hope they really make em00:52
mecepupnik, indeed.00:53
pupniki'll miss the clickey keys00:53
pupnikspongy keys arenm't as fun00:53
RST38hlardman: Yes we are, until stated otherwise00:53
mecepupnik, I think those are clicky00:53
lardmanRST38h: :(00:53
pupniki'll bet you a beer they'll be spongy00:53
RST38hlardman:At the moment,I have to assume that there is not going to be any developer program, so, yea, we are normal00:53
lardmanwell we can all cross our fingers and toes00:54
javispedropfft00:54
meceRST38h, actually as I understand it there are 2 different devices, one which is dev device.00:54
javispedrothey no longer have the budget to even ship the devices00:54
RST38hpupnik: I think there were some disassembled photos, they do show clicky-like membranes00:54
pupnikyaay00:55
lardmanjavispedro: that is more worrying of course00:55
* alterego sighs00:55
RST38hjavispedro:I will happily BUY the bloody device if they tell me where.00:55
alteregoPeople are getting very worked up about this N9 device.00:55
RST38halterego:There ain't any alternatives00:56
pupnikif it has drivers for maemo then yaay00:56
lardmanRST38h: back of the production facility in Korea? ;)00:56
RST38halterego: Hence is the unhealthy interest00:56
mecepupnik, leaky pics: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#327733000:56
javispedroassuming the device will even go into production!00:56
alteregoYeah00:56
mecepupnik, clicky membrane spotted.00:56
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lardmanwell that FCC filing is quite recent, no point in doing that if you're not going to produce it I'd have thought00:57
alteregoI think a lot of people make some guesses, then these stupid guesses snow ball into "fact" :/00:57
RST38halterego:I checked the Android devices. If it comes to worst, yes, I will go with Android, some very nice hw there00:57
pupnikmaybe the project is endangered and the leaker wants to generate interest00:57
alteregoI don't even think Nokia will be handing anything out next week00:57
RST38halterego: But the sw....meh00:57
alteregoI'd love to be prooved wrong, but I don't get that same feeling I had about Amsterdam.00:57
lardmanalterego: as long as they send stuff out too to those of us who couldn't make it !00:57
alteregoAdmittedly that was more of a sods law feeling, as I was heading to Iceland :)00:57
RST38halterego:It will be Intel's conference.00:57
RST38halterego:So, no, no Amsterdam00:58
pupnikwhat's the screensize on that n9 prototype00:58
RST38h4"00:58
alteregoPeople are guessing 4"00:58
javispedroprolly the best part of the device..00:58
alteregoIt's capacitive :P00:58
javispedroargh00:58
alteregoNow what's the best part?00:59
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* alterego chuckles00:59
pupniki like being able to click with gloves00:59
* RST38h goes to train himself on the E7 screen00:59
javispedrothanks for ruining my good humour00:59
mecealterego, no kidding. with microsoft coming charging like 600 ton turd, I'm not feeling the maemo love from Nokia...00:59
RST38hjavispedro: at least it will be multitouch00:59
pupniki see a career in malware in my future00:59
RST38hjavospedro: those damn game conrols will finally become workable01:00
mecealterego, big screen, 4 row keyboard, slim, fast, linux :)01:00
lardmanpupnik: targetting Iranian centrifuges?01:00
javispedropupnik: go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200 ;)01:00
alteregomece: I'd say that's a lot of love where it counts01:00
pupnikjavispedro: no, just badly written software for wp7 so people will go 'THIS SUCKS!'01:00
alteregoIf the device is as refined as it looks in the adverts, I think it'll be a nice thing to see.01:00
mecealterego, well if we and by we I mean I, can get our hands on the thing, then it's ok.01:00
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lardmanit'll be nice to see no matter what01:00
javispedropupnik: have you been doing this "job" already? because I see people already saying wp7 sucks ;)01:01
lardmanlol01:01
mecewp7 sucks!01:01
pupnik:)01:01
meceI think it's a fair assumption01:01
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pupniki ar winning01:01
alteregomece: I'd ignore tmo, in Nokias eyes a developer is anyone that wants to buy the device for development.01:01
meceyay, that's me!01:01
alteregomece: and I think people are getting confused about the few that Nokia tend to give out cheap to platform and application developers with the ones that are paid for full price by noirmnal consumers.01:01
alteregoThey're not different devices.01:01
javispedroalterego: you can hope the same crazy head who decided to send those forum nokia freebies will also be around this team01:02
alteregoAnd Elop and the other guy said explicitiy there will be a meego device later this year.01:02
mecealterego, no, but people are claiming they are infact different in this case.01:02
alteregoTo me "a" means one.01:02
RST38hjavispedro: WP7 does not need pupnik to suck.01:02
RST38hHandles the job on its own, quite admirably01:02
javispedroindeed.01:02
alteregomece: those threads are so noisy someone whispers "dev device" and everyone suddenly thinks there are two01:02
alteregoSomeone mentions "but there was a rumour 6 months ago that we wouldn't have a keyboard"01:03
mecewait, does pupnik suck on his own, or were you referring to wp7?01:03
alteregoSo now the _other_ fictional device doesn't have a keyboard.01:03
RST38halterego: In Nokia's eyes, a developer is anyone the manager responsible for developer relations deems a developer01:03
alteregoRST38h: good point, I never had an N900 DDP ...01:03
RST38halterego: This may vary from conference attendees to Forum Nokia members01:03
alteregoMy karma was too low apparently :)01:03
RST38hcompletely random01:03
alteregoI don't think Forum Nokia had anything to do with Maemo in the past.01:04
lardmanalterego: you need to lay off the fly swat01:04
alteregoCan't see that happening now either.01:04
RST38hlardman: And get the RAID?01:04
alteregoExcept maybe to drum up more interest in MeeGo01:04
* javispedro naively kills a damn stupid fly01:04
lardmanwell perhaps one gets more karma for a quick death...?01:04
RST38hAnyway, it doesnot make sense to speculate. Let us wait and see.01:05
alteregolardman: I don't understand what you mean about the flies :P01:05
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alteregoOr is it a metaphor for this "shitty" situation? ;)01:05
mecealterego, well you have plenty of karma now :)01:05
alteregoReally? I thought it was still like 180 or something01:05
lardmanalterego: you know reincarnation, karma and all that01:05
alteregoI swear it never changes.01:05
mecealterego, tswindell?01:05
alteregomece: yes01:05
mecehttp://maemo.org/profile/view/tswindell/01:06
mece45001:06
alteregopfft, that's f'all01:06
mecealterego, 100 was needed last time...01:06
alteregoI think it was actually 30001:06
meceI'm pretty sure it was 10001:06
alteregoOr 250, certainly more than  10001:06
mecehm whatever. you are in the top 100 karma class at least.01:07
alteregoWow, I've got 220 points from ITT thanks?!01:07
alteregoNice.01:07
javispedrokarma is more worthless than ever though01:07
alteregoIndeed01:07
alteregoThey wont make the karma mistake again01:07
alteregoIntel have a nice ninja programme01:07
SpeedEvil502. Almost meaningless.01:07
lardmanif you survive you get a device?01:07
alteregoI signed up for the intel app up developer thing on Sunday01:07
alteregoI hope they give out exopc's like they have at the others' ..01:08
* alterego chuckles01:08
javispedroexopcs?01:08
javispedroI've only seen more lenovos01:08
alteregoThey're basically the same as a wetab01:08
alteregoBut normally come with WP701:09
javispedro*W701:09
alteregoIntel buy them cheap, stick meego tablet on it and have been handing them out at App Up developer workshops01:09
alteregoYeah, W7, sorry, freudian slip01:09
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mecelardman, LOL!01:11
javispedroso the Mono guy now started his own Mono company? Maybe he wants to be bought out by Microsoft...01:14
DocScrutinizer51ouch01:14
* javispedro laughs briefly at the idea...01:14
pupnikSay's Law:  production is the means whereby we empower ourselves to purchase other things01:15
mecehehehe I like how daperl changed his avatar to a pic from the leaked video :D01:15
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javispedroheh01:16
javispedroI bet that will all the leaked stuff registrations to meegoconf will now be filling _fast_01:16
pupnikmaybe01:16
alteregoHeh, there's a sign on the sf2011 site, "Oh, so _NOW_ you want to come to the conference ... "01:17
javispedrothat would be frigging hilarious01:18
pupnikdo you guys use hdparm -S on laptops?01:18
mecejavispedro, yep. actually there was a tweet about that: @MeeGoConference: Registrations are filling up fast. If you want to attend #MeeGoConf, register now before we are full!01:18
alteregopupnik: you mean sleep?01:18
alteregoNo,01:18
pupnikywa01:18
pupnikyea01:18
alteregoSpin down pisses me off01:18
DocScrutinizer51not anymore01:18
javispedropupnik: my laptop has one of the stupid western dig. hdds that tends to spin down after every 5 seconds of idleness01:18
mecepupnik, damn, it's late. I need to hfparm -S on myself01:18
alteregoEspecially considering how Ubuntu fucked it up for about 2 releases.01:19
javispedropupnik: so I use hdparm -B to disable it when I cannot stand the visible UI pauses while the disk spins up any more01:19
pupniki kind of like fan off, drive off01:19
alteregoMy load cycle count probably did the equivalent of 10 years in a week.01:19
pupnikhmm01:19
javispedroah, load cycle.01:19
javispedro*s01:19
pupnikmakes the thinkpad feel like an arm device with no moving parts01:20
SpeedEvil193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   151   151   000    Old_age   Always       -       14810301:20
SpeedEvilhmm01:20
DocScrutinizer51is killing HDD01:20
javispedrofunny story. After a brief email exchange with the WD hdd support guy about how their stupid 5 seconds idle timer was making the load cycle count go over the roof01:20
pupnikhow do i see the number of spinups01:20
javispedroI basically decided to end by saying "Ok, I will do nothing about it. If the disk dies early, I'm going to shove it up your ass."01:20
SpeedEvilpupnik: smartctl -a /dev/whatever01:20
javispedroand he basically agreed...01:20
SpeedEviljavispedro: Well - disk drives are getting smaller, and with less protrusions.01:21
alteregojavispedro: :)01:21
pupnik193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   001   001   00001:21
* javispedro is already preparing some petrolium jelly for when the inevitable happens...01:21
javispedroI wouldn't want to be that guy...01:21
SpeedEvilThen of course there are microSDs.01:21
alteregopupnik: doesn't look like you've got smart enabled.01:22
lardmanSpeedEvil: is it a 2.5" or a 3.5" though, that's the real sticking point, so to speak01:22
alteregopupnik: or your HDD is really dodgy :P01:22
SpeedEvilI find it mind-boggling that you can swallow a terabyte of storage in one gulp.01:22
pupnikllol lardman01:22
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pupnikhow about a quantum 'bigfoot' drive01:23
lardmanouch01:23
SpeedEvilI have a couple of those somewhere.01:23
KilrooSpeedEvil: I would want some kind of a casing or sauce or something, or that could really hurt.01:23
SpeedEvilAlso a 60M double-height SCSI.01:23
lardmansauce! lol01:23
lardmanchocolate perhaps?01:23
ShadowJKit makes sense, 001 is one step away from failure01:23
SpeedEvilKilroo: I was meaning for example 30 32G microSDs.01:24
KilrooSpeedEvil: So was I.01:24
KilrooI have a 32G microSD. It has sharp corners.01:24
KilrooOh!01:25
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KilrooI need to go thank that thread where they posted the fixed drivers so the damn thing would work.01:25
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meceSpeedEvil, are your bigfoot drives still working? they were the crappiest drives ever. Lasted about a week in my computer at the time iirc.01:25
pupnikalmost bankrupted the company mece01:26
mecepupnik, yep01:26
SpeedEvilmece: Stopped working after I dropped the computer onto concrete.01:26
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DocScrutinizer51duh! shouldn't, really01:27
DocScrutinizer51:-P01:27
KilrooI'm trying to decide which project to work on after dinner...installing debian on my new Archos101, or seeing if I can get it to tether to my n900 for internet and use my n900+Columbus for GPS at the same time01:28
KilrooWhen what I should be doing is cooking dinner first and worrying about that later.01:28
* javispedro finishes answering tmo private messages... booooooooooring01:28
SpeedEvilIf you plug it in with USB tethering, it 'just works'.01:29
alteregoPeople actually use Columbus?01:30
lardmanbed time, nice chatting chaps, catch you on the morrow01:30
KilrooSpeedEvil: Well, using it for GPS over Bluetooth worked pretty easily once I figured out where Android expects you to tell it you have a bluetooth GPS for it to connect to.01:30
javispedrocya lardman01:30
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javispedroalterego: you bet!01:30
* alterego feels guilty he's neglected it for so long01:30
javispedro(though /me prefers less flashy graphics)01:30
alteregoHeh01:30
SpeedEvilI used it once or twice on the bus.01:31
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alteregoPeople catually use the USB tethering in Columbus?!01:31
Kilrooalterego: I googled how to use my n900 as a bluetooth GPS for another device, and Columbus came up via a post along the lines of "Awesome, a replacement for the minigpsd that I can't install."01:31
alteregoHah01:32
KilrooI didn't have a usb cable with me so I did bluetooth instead of usb though.01:32
alteregoYeah, those -devel packages are still broken01:32
alterego-testing even ..01:32
mecealterego, now that qtm12 is out you could pimp columbus with some maps :)01:32
alteregoI promise I'll make a release shorty after SF ;)01:32
KilrooAnd I have not yet gotten the "let me share my ipv6 beta connection" scripts for usb and bluetooth from google code01:32
alteregomece: I had something slightly contemporary in the way of maps planned.01:33
KilrooI have the mobilehotspot clone one but I haven't gotten it working yet.01:33
mecealterego, well takes about 5 lines of qml to show the map ;)01:33
alteregomece: though using qtm for maps will probably be a part of it.01:33
* mece loves qml01:33
javispedrorequiring connectivity would make this way less useful01:33
alteregomece: this is what we're demoing at SF: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/meego/screenshots/handset/01:33
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alteregoIt's my QML based dialer application :)01:34
alteregoIgnore first and last screenshot ..01:34
* javispedro goes directly to first screenshots01:34
KilrooI will admit, though, that for what I've done with it so far Columbus could just as well be a daemon I could toggle through the status menu or something.01:34
* SpeedEvil ponders a 'Bounce' based dialer.01:34
mecejavispedro, columbus?01:34
javispedromece: yep, maps01:35
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mecejavispedro, obviously it shouldn't be a requirement01:35
javispedroit uses the ovimaps data?01:35
alteregoKilroo: well, they are just plugins01:35
mecejavispedro, at least if you put "nokia" as the plugin01:35
javispedronice to know!01:36
alteregoKilroo: I was planning on doing different use case types like that at some point.01:36
alteregoKilroo: so yeah, basically desktop widgets and standalone service plugins.01:37
alteregoBut I got distracted.01:37
Kilrooalterego: Cool. For the time being, though, assuming I do get both interwebs and gps connected between the devices at the same time, yay I get to try Google Navigation on a 10 inch screen.01:37
javispedroTMO has gone so downhill that I bet posts about android now add to a sizable amount.01:37
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alteregojavispedro: I think the largest thread is that android one01:38
KilrooAnd I can definitely understand getting distracted. Kudos for getting distracted at a point where stuff actually works.01:38
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alteregoKilroo: well, after you actually manage to install it ;)01:38
javispedroKilroo: that's most open source software for you! problem appears, developers solves the problem, creates gigantic plans of future development for the little project, wanders off01:39
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* javispedro is starting to realize that he is repeating such cycle too...01:39
mecejavispedro, there are posts about android on tmo?01:39
KilrooNow that I have an android tablet I feel considerably less motivated to see whether I'd brick my phone trying to make nitdroid use uboot...01:39
javispedromece: there's a lot of NitDroid questions. 10% of the PMs I got were about android.01:39
javispedro(can you port this to androidthis or help me doing X on nitdroidthat)01:40
alteregojavispedro: why are they sending you questions about android?01:40
Kilrooalterego: Manage? I selected it in fapman and it installed...I've done that at least three times, the most recent being when I actually had something to use it for...never had any difficulties.01:40
mecejavispedro, I've so shut out everything android that I don't even notice that stuff01:40
javispedroalterego: the question I always ask myself is: why they do send me PMs?01:40
alteregoKilroo: oh, I think it was an issue when you upgraded from the last release.01:40
alteregojavispedro: I get hardly any.01:40
alteregoThe occasional one about "How did you get Columbus to do this"01:40
javispedroalterego: I am way too friendly on other boards...01:40
alterego"Do you want to work for me?"01:41
alterego"Can I have your babies"01:41
alterego"Where did you go?!"01:41
pupnikyou released emulators01:41
javispedroI know that music indeed.01:41
alterego"Why don't you answer my calls anymore?!"01:41
alterego"I'm standing outside your window .... "01:42
javispedro(if anyone reads the logs, and wonders if I'm talking about his PM: if you're reading the IRC logs, you are very probably not the kind of person I'm complaining about)01:43
meceoh man, speaking of android, did you see the N8 vs Atrix video on youtube?01:44
KilrooI am now imagining someone just sitting and reading through IRC logs for hours01:44
meceLOL01:44
alteregoHeh01:44
KilrooIt was hard to imagine until I realized I could very easily end up doing so under certain circumstances01:45
javispedroKilroo: "tvtropes^W#maemo irc logs will ruin your life"01:45
javispedromece: just saw the video. the nvidia tegra sucks as expected =)01:46
pupnikexplain javispedro ?01:47
mecejavispedro, yeah, that is just embarassing.01:47
mecepupnik, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6hienXEd0Y01:47
mecepupnik, we're talking 2x1000Mhz vs 680Mhz processors here :D:D:D01:47
javispedropupnik: there was a lot of complaining here about how embarrasingly slow the tegra1 was when compared to virtually any other arm core01:47
mecejavispedro, you think it's just the processor?01:48
pupnikn8 doesnt use tegra101:48
javispedropupnik: watch the video01:48
pupnikkk01:48
javispedro(the atrix iirc uses tegra2)01:49
meceI don't really care about symbian, other than the fact they use Qt, so I can make stuff for them, but that video just feels like victory :D01:49
* mece is not a fan of android01:49
* Kilroo is not a fan of android or iOS either, but is something of a fan of Words with Friends, particularly since none of his friends seem interested in wabble.org01:50
alteregoIt's thmb and doesn't have hardfp01:50
ds3except the tegra2 is crippled01:50
alterego~thumb01:50
infobotConfigurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/01:50
pupnikhey nice video ty01:51
mecedammit infobot! That url goes nowhere!01:51
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* javispedro ponders going to bed early..01:54
javispedroor playing some portal2...01:54
pupniksee the second keynes vs hayek video?01:55
pupnikbtw nice big screen on the motorola01:55
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pupnikthe fight continues01:58
javispedrowell, gnite folks. a pleasure to see the lights are still running here ... ;)02:02
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mecegah what the hell am I still doing here! Damn all these rumors, keeping me up late!02:13
ShadowJKN8x0 "has" hardfp :)02:15
ShadowJKit's an ABI thing more than a hw thing02:15
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alteregoShadowJK: it's a hardware thing with the tegra02:32
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alteregoThe tegra core can't do hardfp02:32
GAN900Tegra sux02:36
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pupnikwhy was the motorola so slow in picture zooming02:41
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alteregoPoor coding, poor floating point02:43
alteregoCould be a number of things02:43
DocScrutinizerhttp://de.eye.fi/products/mobilex2 nice SD card02:43
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SpeedEvilThose have been around for ages.02:48
SpeedEvilThere are IIRC cracks to make them work 'properly'02:49
SpeedEvilwithout the eye-fi server in the middle.02:49
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DocScrutinizerooh, a SitM02:52
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DocScrutinizerannoying shit02:52
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GeneralAntillesEngadget03:03
GeneralAntillesWhat's with everybody screaming for WP7 shit on all of the Nokia/MeeGo articles?03:04
gabrielhidasybecause WP7 has killed maemo03:04
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alteregomeego killed maemo03:04
alteregoWell suffocated it03:04
GeneralAntillesNah, Nokia board and Canada killed Maemo.03:04
gabrielhidasyboth of then03:04
alteregoWP7 is killing Nokia's FOSS envolvement.03:05
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gabrielhidasynokia was my favourite company, however03:05
gabrielhidasydealing with microsoft and with the devil is not so diferent03:06
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pupnikbaseball bat to kneecap03:07
pupniklol03:08
SpeedEvilMaemo got killed way before microsoft.03:08
SpeedEvilIntel killed Maemo.03:08
SpeedEvilAnd nokia open-source.03:08
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gabrielhidasywell, this is the maemo channel and it is not death, only stunned03:10
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GeneralAntillesand slowly suffocating in its own bodily fluids.03:12
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pupnikstill best phone OS :)03:14
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SerpherCan anybody awnser a few questions I can't find out on my own about service in Toronto with the Nokia N900?03:19
chxUnlikely. Call Wind.03:21
SerpherBell has it I know but Bell is...Bell. Wind wouldn't work for me cause I'm too far from Toronto to get reliable service so I'm told.03:21
chxBell?03:22
chxBell uses Band V, N900 uses Band IV03:23
chxyou mixed something up.03:23
chxWind or Mobilicity is your only options.03:23
SerpherThe Bell store said they were getting some in and it supported 3G and everything.03:26
chxThen go to that Bell store and ask them to browse on the N900...03:28
ShadowJKthey could browse on 2g03:29
SerpherThey were out, were getting more on Friday but I guess I could check it out then.03:29
chxShadowJK: good luck03:29
chxShadowJK: Bell does not have a GSM network03:29
chxShadowJK: they have an ancient CDMA and a modern Band V WCDMA03:29
chxShadowJK: The phone won't even be able to authenticate to the network.03:29
chxSerpher: heck, you know what, make a call :D03:30
chxSerpher: that's not the N90003:30
chxSerpher: isit o the Bell website?03:30
chxSerpher: where?03:30
chxSerpher: it's well hidden  http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Abell.ca++n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= Father Google can't find it either.03:30
SerpherA physical store they have.03:31
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chxYou seriously believe this?03:31
chxthey have misunderstood what you asked, that's it.03:32
wazdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg03:32
wazdwhawhawha?!03:32
SerpherI asked like a bunch of times "The Nokia N900 running Maemo?" "Yeah, we just starting selling it a few months ago, really popular"03:32
SpeedEvilSigh.03:33
SpeedEvilCustomer services lie.03:33
SpeedEvilFirst rule of fight club.03:33
chxSerpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility03:33
chxSerpher: HSPA+ 850 and 1900 (Launched November 4, 2009)03:33
chxSerpher: i do not even know about that 190003:34
SerpherI'm pretty clueless about cellphone technology so this is all greek to me xD If you want to relate it to any normal networking protocols that will work.03:34
chxSerpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900  and here iit says UMTS 900/1700/210003:34
chxSerpher: and ... that's the end of it for you.03:34
SerpherMobilicity will support me though?03:35
chxyes03:35
chxthey will03:35
chxMobilicity throttles the data so be careful03:35
chxcheck howardforums on that03:35
chxWind reserves the rght to throttle after the first 5gb and they also block a number of ports03:36
chxbut, moiblicity makes sure you wont be able to watch streaming vieo.03:36
chx(youtube normal works but higher bandwidth? no way)03:36
Macerthat sucks03:37
chxWelcome to Canada, the land of mobile service sucks03:37
chxat least wind and mobilicy have sane prices for the data03:37
SerpherMobilicity has a $10 unlimited data plan @_@?03:37
Macer:)03:37
Macerbell has 50% of the market share at 6M03:38
chxhttps://www.orderrogers.ca/rocket/data-plans03:38
Macer?03:38
chxlook at those prices.03:38
Macernot a big canadian demand huh?03:38
SerpherWe're just pushovers and too complacant03:38
SerpherWe need to complain more and stop being panises03:38
chxright03:38
Serpherpansies*03:38
SerpherJesus, those prices are high =X03:39
Macerdont most cap at 5GB?03:39
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chxMacer: not in general03:40
chxMacer: with 5c per mb Rogers will be SO happy if you consume 5gb.03:40
pupnikThe Drake vs the Hydra - Mayer uncovers the story behind the illegal wiretapping  http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=103:40
Macer5c???03:42
Maceromg03:42
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chxwell some cable companies wanted $2 per gigabyte.....03:44
chxthis is Canada, my friend.03:44
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DocScrutinizer2$/GB? sounds just sane04:00
DocScrutinizerhere we can't get uncapped data, all carriers providers limit at 5GB (/month) the latest. Those dataplans are usually ~20€. You can get 1GB for 10EUR04:02
* GeneralAntilles yawns.04:02
GeneralAntillesIs it Saturday yet. . . .04:02
* DocScrutinizer passes coffee to GeneralAntilles04:03
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pupnik is there a plugin ffox that can read pages04:03
SpeedEvilI'm especially amused that one of the UK providers has chosen to offer an actually unlimited service.04:03
SpeedEvilThey still sell an 'unlimited' - limited service04:03
SpeedEvilThe real unlimited one is called 'all you can eat'.04:03
DocScrutinizersorry, I just read "cable", missed that. WTF?!!?!?!!04:04
DocScrutinizerso our German 3G is as expensive as as Canadian DSL?? o.O04:05
DocScrutinizerHELL04:06
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chxnah they shot that one down04:07
chxthere was http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1623145~cea3aea2fb8c9d31f7ec4f246faaac34/4494_57 this campaign04:07
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dangergrrlwell, tmobile's "unlimited" service bites after you hit your quota for the month on the first day04:16
dangergrrlit still kinda works but pandora won't even stream04:16
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SpeedEvilSomewhat off-topic. Does anyone happen to have an xrandr commandline setup for rotating the screen so it is rotated 60 degrees right?04:53
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pupnikit can do that?04:54
SpeedEvilyes.04:54
SpeedEvilhmm - I must have been tireder than I thought last time I looked at xrandr manpage. It looks comprehensible this time.04:55
pupnikhow about a manpage viewer that puts most common examples at top04:57
SpeedEvilTo be fair, that's not really a common request.04:57
pupnikyepa04:58
SpeedEvilA manpage viewer that puts the topic you want at the top would be truly awesome.04:58
pupniki tilt the laptop04:58
SpeedEvilI want to comfortably read the screen while lying flat.04:58
pupnikheh04:58
pupnik90 degrees too much?04:58
SpeedEvilHowever - it's a desktop screen, and tilting it may make it fall over.04:58
SpeedEvilyeah04:58
pupnikoh04:59
SpeedEvilI find it more comfortable not to have my head quite horizontal.04:59
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DavidePalmanyone here use queen beecon?07:18
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DocScrutinizersure07:27
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DavidePalmDocScrutinizer hey, just trying to understand basics... so I need to add a new widget of queen beecon for each commend I want to run correct?07:35
DavidePalmcommand*07:35
DocScrutinizeryes07:35
DavidePalmok, I'm trying to setup a command to turn my cellphone radio on and off at specific times of the day, not sure if it can be done...07:36
DavidePalmI know I can set a command to recur daily... but I would have to start it at the exact time I want it to occur... is that the only way?07:37
DocScrutinizererr, aiui QB is for executing cmds on pushbutton triger, not at a specific time of day. You'd probably want to use package alarmed for that07:37
DavidePalmah ok07:38
DavidePalmthanks07:38
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xd13got that scud battery for my n900 shit is f'n amazing08:03
xd13even though it came from china had a very nice box n all08:03
xd13getting really good battery life, no overheating on it very happy08:03
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* cehteh needs a new battery too08:20
cehtehchem|st: do you want to order some?08:21
cehtehwell i have my bike dynamo charger now .. seems to work fantastic :)08:22
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Maceris 3.5G what is marketed as 4G?08:26
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slonopotamusare you talking about wireless or hdd?08:28
Macerwireless08:29
Macermaemo says 3.5G08:29
Maceris that "4G" ?08:30
slonopotamusmaemo terminology: gpsr-2g, egde-2.5g, umts-3g, hsdpa-3.5g08:31
slonopotamus*gprs08:31
Macerheh08:31
Macerso... yes?08:32
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slonopotamusi dunno what your marketers mark as 4g08:32
Macerhspda08:33
slonopotamushsdpa08:33
Macerwell... actually.. hspa+08:33
slonopotamusaccording to wikipedia, 4g is some other thing08:34
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slonopotamuswho cares how it is called...08:37
MohammadAGMacer, 3.5G is 3.5G08:38
MohammadAG4G is LTE afaik08:38
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ds3what's WiMax?08:41
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slonopotamusds3: highspeed wireless standard08:42
ds3in the language of 'G's08:42
ds33.9G?08:42
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MohammadAGds3, I thought that was 4G08:57
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ds3MohammadAG: it is all merky. some places say the LTE the successor to WiMax so that would seem to make it 3.9G09:02
ruskieLTE is 4G09:03
ruskiehas been09:03
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ruskieWiMax has been around for a while09:03
ruskieit's like wifi on 'roids or something along those lines09:03
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ds3just forget about these stupid G's and call out exactly what it is09:13
ds3would be so much easier09:13
MacerMohammadAG: tmob doesnt use lte09:13
Macerthey use hpda+ i thought09:13
Macerhdpa09:14
Macerheh. i get the letters jumbled09:14
Maceri believe whoever makes the standards allowed them to market what they use as 4G if the tech has the potential to reach the standard's speeds09:15
Macerwhich is why i asked if 3.5G in maemo is what is being marketed as 4G by tmob09:16
Macereven tho android phones say H09:16
Macernot 4G09:16
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meceGaaaaaH!09:28
doc|homemy thoughts exactly!09:28
* mece want N9/50 frakking NOW!!09:28
doc|homemece: does it exist?09:29
doc|homeall I can find is a silly teaser09:30
mecedoc|home, well something exists. If it doesn't, then I want the fictional N9/50 frakking NOW!09:30
doc|homeI hope it's real, just so I can buy a decent phone before they fuck it all up with windows09:32
doc|homepardon my french09:32
doc|homenight09:32
mecedoc|home, o/09:32
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mecekhertan, ping10:15
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JaffaMorning, all10:48
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Sicelo_morning Jaffa10:48
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chem|stcehteh: batteries?11:16
chem|stI am not close to you anymore but Treibholz is still11:17
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mecewtf.. WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 does nothing, right?11:49
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MohammadAGit syncs frames so they all take the same time11:50
MohammadAGwithout blurs, it makes the framerate epic, and the device may crash11:50
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RST38hMoo.11:55
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RST38h...When the substance is heated or disturbed enough it will burst and print an area about 3m from the center of the blast with random latin characters, with no coherent paragraph, sentence or word patterns.11:59
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janiRST38h: skilled  observer may also notice small flames bursting  here and there inbetween the characters.12:08
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MohammadAGjani, they would also notice two spaces between two words :p12:11
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janilol12:16
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meceMohammadAG, oh. so it actually does something. That's nice. This was one of the things that worked on some devices, and not on others iirc..12:39
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meceMohammadAG, hmm.. seems everything is a lot slower now with WSEGL_UseHWSync=112:50
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MohammadAGmece, then you have blur enabled13:15
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meceMohammadAG, how do I disable it?13:19
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meceI thought the symbian/meego choice in that thing that time disables blur13:19
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ruskiehmm I wonder if the N9 will actually get a usable handset UX...13:24
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Jaffaruskie: I think it'll be better than the one Nokia contributed to meego.com; but suspect it'll feel different (simpler?) to N900 :-/13:24
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ruskieJaffa, well I'll have to play with it...13:26
ruskieI might get it... but I think I'll still prefer the N900 over it13:26
ruskieif I do get it it'll be via contract...13:26
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ruskieand of course it depends on what I can do with it to see if it's actually a viable N900 replacement13:27
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JaffaYup13:29
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JaffaAnd I still use my N810 with Navicore as a GPS (car mount + offline maps/search/nav)13:30
chem|stdo we know yet if its capacitive or resistive?13:30
ruskiemost likely useless cap13:30
chem|stdeveloper device != cap those idiots13:30
chem|stwhy do I need cap if there is a hardware keyboard13:31
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chem|stall the good painting and sketching apps for nothing then...13:31
ruskieall the cap devices I tried so far by friends/coworkers that have them that say ow great it works so great etc... *shudder* couldn't have been more useless13:31
chem|st+113:32
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JaffaN8 is OK with cap, but it took a while to get used to not using finger nails. Cap on iPad is very good, possibly because larger screen means less precision needed13:32
ruskiefrom the ipod touch various droids... even a symbian device(I'm assuming it is cap)13:32
chem|sta friend suffers from taking off gloves by -40°C anytime he uses the phone13:32
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ruskiehahaha13:33
trxlol13:33
ruskieI actually managed to use the N900 with leather gloves on13:33
trxthat's gotta suck13:33
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chem|stcap is only on one case logical, and that is for an outdoor mobile to have it highly scratch resistant13:33
ruskiethose tend to not be the best for precission usually since they have some extra material sewed in and around13:33
meceI used N900 with gloves on this winter a lot.13:33
ruskieand of course the ability to use a stylus... +++++++++++++13:34
ruskieeven though I hardly use it13:34
chem|stthere are styluses but why do I have a proper 3 in one stylus...13:34
ruskieI also still wonder how people manage to lose their styli?13:35
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chem|struskie: that and how to navigate on websites without...13:35
ruskiewell a fingernail can do it amazingly well13:35
chem|stthe UI is fingerfriendly but the time it gets into editorial work on pdfs and websites I need the stylus13:36
ruskiea finger... if it's the only link under the finger... it'll work13:36
ruskieelse you'll get a random link from the area13:36
Jaffaruskie: My N900 stylus is beginning to get quite loose. May switch to my other one.13:37
trxi lost my stylus :(13:37
ruskiehow13:37
ruskiehow do people manage to lose them13:37
trxsomeone used it and didnt put it back13:38
trxi picked up the phone from the table and left :)13:38
chem|sttrx: that "someone" never gonna happen13:38
ruskieI haven't lost the stylus on the palm m105, nds xl, n90013:39
trxand now of course.. try and buy a n900 stylus in serbia ;)13:40
chem|stand I have only light scratches on the screen only visible in the right angle of light and there only if looked at from the side... but I do not put gum-foil in my pocket with it nor keys nor do I put it in a bag with other stuff...13:40
ruskietrx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia13:41
ruskiechem|st, ahh I have a privacy screen protector on mine13:41
ruskieit's like 2-3mm thick... just enough to fill up the bevel around the screen13:41
ruskielimits the viewing angle to directly in front of my eyes13:42
trxruskie well, i can probably buy it in Belgrade (the main city) but its 180KM away..13:42
chem|stno screen protectors no bag no nothing13:42
ruskieso must say no scratches at all13:42
trxand i dont know where so.. :)13:42
chem|stthats barely one mm but ok13:42
ruskietrx, yeah I know Belgrade is the capital of serbia ;)13:42
ruskiechem|st, the bevel?13:42
ruskiewell13:42
ruskieit just looks thick no matter how I look at it13:42
chem|sttrx: no webshops?13:42
trxchem|st there are, but no luck..13:43
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ruskietrx, remember used to be the capital of yugoslavia ;) and slovenia was part of that13:43
trxyou are from slovenia?13:43
chem|stjust order it from somewhere in europe, they surely ship to you13:43
ruskie[12:41:09] <ruskie> trx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia13:43
trxso, you get it in slovenia, and send it to me :D13:44
ruskieit would probably get lost in the mail13:44
trxyeah :/13:44
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ruskiechem|st, as for europe shipping... good joke... unless you're part of the first 12 eu countries there is no guarntee you'll even get a shipping to... and if that it could cost quite a lot13:45
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trxyeah13:46
ruskieapparently slovenia is a risk for shipping to... so they charge higher... even though we're in the EU13:46
trxand paying is a problem too13:46
trxwe dont have paypal here13:46
ruskiemoneybookers gives you a mastercard for 10 eurs13:46
trxand i dont like to give out my credit card number..13:46
ruskieprepay mastercard13:47
ruskieso you load it up13:47
ruskieand use it13:47
trxdidnt know about that13:47
ruskiethat's what I use13:47
trxill ask arround about that, thanks13:47
ruskiewww.moneybookers.com13:47
ruskieor ask any of the banks if they offer prepay master or visa cards13:47
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trxyeah, ill try that hopefully they have it13:49
ruskieI just went with moneybookers myself since they offer online payments as well(similar to paypal)13:50
ruskieand because none of the banks here really offer anything like that13:50
ruskieI prefer to use money I have... not money I have to pay back next month that I used previous month13:51
trxmy bank does have a special master card that is just for online payments13:52
trxand i have it, but dont like to give out the number to everyone..13:52
ruskieyeah it sucks if you have a pay after use card13:53
MohammadAGI'll try to get hildon on the N913:53
MohammadAGCordia's kind of stalled atm13:53
MohammadAGor a Qt rewrite of it13:53
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trxQt rewrite of hildon?13:54
MohammadAGwould be nice to have on tbh :p13:54
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/18/e_ink_epson_retina_display/ <-- hmm13:55
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jogabah...they should call 'retina displays' something that actually puts an image directly to your eye13:56
ruskiehehe13:57
trxyeap, would be nice to have electronic lenses :)13:57
jogaand I've been waiting for ages and still no consumer product that does that13:57
trx(actually usable)13:57
ruskieI'd be happy with a HUD in the glasses13:57
jogait's silly, we haul around big monitors and have projectors and whatever and all we should need is some tiny thingy in the eye13:57
ruskieand a camera to superimpose data around13:57
joga(or brain even)13:57
joga:p13:57
trxthese are still too big and cost too much :)13:57
ruskieI don't want a direct brain interface13:58
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ruskieI have enough problems getting coherent thought out13:58
jogaI thought the US army had such a retinal projection thing in the helmets of eurofighter pilots13:58
ruskieI'd probably crash everything around me with one of those...13:58
jogaor was it eurofighter...anyway the high-tech fighter13:58
trxi would like to be able to write software for the brain  :)13:58
trxand put a small wifi antenna on my head :)13:58
ruskiejoga, probably a normal HUD projected on a display in front of the eye13:59
jogaand unless I'm mistaken, this fighter headset thing was *in the 90s*13:59
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ruskiestuff that is available13:59
ruskiejust still costs13:59
trxcosts like hell13:59
ruskietrx, mmm virii in the brain...13:59
jogaruskie, the pilots allegedly said that they wanted a virtual representation of the cockpit because they could see through the plane13:59
ruskietrx, not that much13:59
ruskieiirc 1000 usd or somewhere in that area13:59
ruskiestill a lot13:59
trxi mean quality ones13:59
ruskiebut not like hell ;)13:59
ruskieI'm looking for usable first14:00
ruskieif it isn't usable quality is pointless14:00
trxi actually found some for arround 400 usd14:00
trxbut their quality was poor14:00
chem|stignorant idiots on TMO again...14:01
ruskiechem|st, what else is new?14:01
ruskiechem|st, btw what are you refering to? really hates trying to figure out what the refernecs are to14:01
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Jaffaruskie: Possibly the N9 teaser thread14:02
chem|stsome guys writing that 300% speed howto, "we don't need no disclaimer... anyone on TMO should know that devel stuff can harm... I don't care"14:02
ruskiehahaha14:03
trxlol14:03
chem|stJaffa: lol no14:03
chem|stJaffa: there I just gave infractions to some dude double posting cursing on nokia (did't cause of nokia but the language used)14:03
Jaffachem|st: Cool14:05
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Jaffachem|st: Not that my vote counts anymore :-)14:05
chem|st?14:05
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ruskieI wish nokia would actually diversify in more mobile OSes...14:06
Jaffaruskie: *More*? Because Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo & WP7 isn't enough?!14:08
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ruskieJaffa, yes more...14:09
ruskieor actually actually make more maemo/meego devices14:10
ruskieand they should have had this 5 years ago14:10
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ruskielove the english in that 300% thread as well14:19
chem|sto/14:21
ruskieovercloak... I wonder what that is...14:21
ruskiesounds an interesting thing to wear14:21
SpeedEvilOvercloaking is wearing too many cloaks.14:23
SpeedEvilThis can make you too hot, and cause reliability issues.14:23
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SpeedEvilIt can also cause electromicturation, when the police taze you, thinking you have a bomb.14:24
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DocScrutinizerheh :-D14:35
RST38hDoc: Check out the comments: :14:35
RST38hhttps://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel14:35
ruskieSSL handshake failed: A TLS fatal alert has been received. <-- hahahaha14:35
RST38h"One of the most important supplies that you must have is the bee suit. You need to wear this every time you will go near the bees because miu miu sale this will serve as your protection against their stings." <=== yesssss14:36
RST38h"It is really exiting that we will have a truly linux device in our hands." <=== oh yeaaaah14:36
ruskieyou mean that N900 was not a truly linux device?14:36
RST38hIt was not really exiting.14:37
RST38hN950 will be really exiting linux device though14:37
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Trewasif it is the same hardware which was planned to be released last autumn it may not be all that exciting14:41
* SpeedEvil wonders about greasemonkey scripts to remove facebook 'like' thumbs.14:42
ruskieas long as it doesn't run x86 it'll be fun14:42
SpeedEvilI don't care about x86.14:43
SpeedEvilIf intel manage to get power usage down to something reasonable.14:43
SpeedEvilThen fine.14:43
SpeedEvilMore competition in the low-power space is great.14:44
SpeedEvilT-gates are an interesting possible gain.14:44
lardmanso why did the Haramattan talk get cancelled?14:46
lardmannot talk, the thing on the Sat or Sun that Dave emailed about14:46
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lardmanI wonder if kerio clicked his heels to transform like that14:54
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keriolong story14:55
lardmannp :)14:55
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ZogG<RST38h> N950 will be really exiting linux device though // that's what they said about n900 as well15:04
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ZogGn950 is much thicker than n90015:04
ZogGit's not cool, as Boris said, weight is realability15:05
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ZogGif you can't shoot you can always hit with it15:05
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Wedohi guys ...15:05
Wedoanyone here ?15:05
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ZogGnope15:06
Wedohehe :D15:06
ZogGeveryone is out buying n95015:06
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Wedo... there is no such a thing ? :P15:06
E0xheh15:07
Wedo... there is no such a thing ? :P?15:07
Wedoanyway15:08
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Wedoi need some help about my N900.15:08
Wedothey told me to connect here and ppl will help me out15:08
ruskiewell you actually need to describe your problem first15:10
ruskieelse nobody will be able to help you at all15:10
Wedooh15:10
Wedowel. i saw ppl on utube installing Android on N900.15:11
Sc0rpiusyeah but don't do that15:11
Wedomay i know why >?15:11
Sc0rpiusit's extremely slow and useless15:11
Wedouh...15:11
chem|stWedo: hi15:11
Sc0rpiusyou can't make calls or send SMS the last time I tested it15:11
Sc0rpiusyou can do it, and show it off to your friends that your phone runs Android15:11
Sc0rpiusbut it's not for the end user15:11
chem|stSc0rpius: sms should work but still no sound for calls15:12
Sc0rpiuswell, still pretty useless then15:12
chem|st+115:12
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chem|stWedo: stay away from anything but maemo for now15:12
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Sc0rpiusand since rebooting the N900 is a HEAVY battery drain, you can't go around rebooting the phone from Android to Maemo and viceversa all the time15:12
Wedooh..15:12
Wedoso i should stay onMaemo 5 ?15:12
Wedoi dont know how to talk privatly chemIst lol :S15:13
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WedoWhat about the Nitdroid thingy ?15:13
ruskie/msg nick whatever15:13
chem|stI tested two versions of nitdroid and was impressed of the work the guys did, hours after the public release by google but got rid of it in seconds...15:13
Wedooh oky ty15:13
ruskieand there is no I there it's | ;)15:13
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chem|stWedo: no need for private talks15:14
Wedosorry 1 question. Nitdroid is good or bad ?15:14
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ruskiefonts need to be more readable...15:14
chem|struskie: ever used nick-completion?15:14
chem|stmy font just shows fine but 1l15:14
WedoNITdroid is good or bad guys ?15:15
chem|stfor me 1 one and l "lowercase-L" are just the same15:15
ruskiechem|st, always ;) wrong person ;)15:15
ruskiechem|st, then you have a crappy font ;)15:15
ruskiemine is just fine15:15
chem|stWedo: bad in terms of usability and where it comes from15:15
ruskieiI|1l all look different15:15
WedoSo i should put ito n my N900 or .. ?15:16
chem|stthe first three look different indeed15:16
WedoI just wana my mobile to look cooler and be faster and stuff15:16
Sc0rpiusto me it's very bad15:16
chem|stWedo: ..or not15:16
Sc0rpiusI installed it one, and use it like twice for 2 minutes each15:16
chem|stWedo: faster? then not15:16
Sc0rpiusonce15:16
Wedoso android and Nitdroid r totally useless for me ..15:16
E0xis not bad is just a unfinish work15:16
Wedooh15:16
Sc0rpiusfaster? hehehe15:16
E0xWedo: you need learn decide for you own15:16
E0xyou check the all aspect of something15:17
Sc0rpiusNitdroid is so slow it's unbearable15:17
E0xand decise15:17
WedoIm just new. i bought it like a month ago15:17
Wedothats why i dunno anything :S15:17
E0xthe research15:17
E0xgoogle is you friends15:17
E0xand the power search at maemo15:17
Wedooky mr.15:17
chem|stWedo: as you got your device now for 2 month and are quiet new to linux environment as well I suggest to stay on maemo maybe activate testing repository but NO devel and have a look around what suits you15:18
chem|stWedo: I get performance issues with wifi+IM at the moment especially skype...15:18
kerioskype is huge15:18
Wedohm..15:19
ruskiewell skype will just get worse now that M$ owns it15:19
E0xi will stop using skype , well i only have 3 ppl anyway15:19
ruskieI never used skype at all15:19
ruskiemy msn account is deleted... my yahoo account is deleted...15:19
chem|stas long as people don't use clients capable to do jabber VoIP+video...15:20
ruskieit's nice that they finally added a permanent delete option in those15:20
E0xi saw in the forum the subject about smartflex is getting hot again15:20
E0xsome ppl say work great some ppl say is bad15:20
E0xetc15:20
ruskiechem|st, assuming you need those ;)15:20
chem|st~smartflex15:20
chem|struskie: one is my girl^^15:20
E0xchem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=b7d7d79fd1a156d1becee900bf88b527&t=73040&page=615:20
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E0xthe tech world will awesome if everybody follow standards15:21
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chem|stE0x: OC crap?!15:24
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E0x~smartreflex15:24
E0xchem|st: power manage of arm15:24
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E0xhttp://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12032&contentId=460915:25
chem|stWedo: still clueless?15:25
Wedowel.15:25
Wedoi got the idea now15:25
Wedobut im confused15:25
Wedothe Nitdroid will amke my mob lox awesome and stuff.15:25
chem|stmay we enlighten you?15:25
Wedobut i wont be able to call or sms15:26
Wedobut the Maemo15:26
Wedowill make it look kinda bad15:26
chem|st?15:26
Wedobut it`ll be perfect in use15:26
Wedofor calls and sms15:26
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chem|stkinda bad? show me one device that can do things like start a full openoffice suite?!15:26
Wedoso thats the problem15:26
ruskiehmm nice... my work SIP account almost works well on the N900... just for some reason when someone is calling me it doesn't ring...15:27
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chem|stwhy do you think maemo is bad? you "for sure" did not see it's limits yet15:27
Wedomaybe :P15:27
ruskiemaemo actually is great15:28
chem|stthe hardware remains the same no matter what OS you install15:28
E0xruskie: i read something about the same at tmo15:28
Wedoi guess imma stay with Maemo5 then :D15:28
E0x( no ring for SIP account )15:28
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chem|stand if you like to PWN your friends just turn of their TV once in a while15:28
chem|ststay far away from his remote15:29
ruskieE0x, in my case it's not no ring... it simply the PBX doesn't connect to send a call incoming signal15:29
ruskieE0x, it works fine on the n95 though15:29
E0xoh15:29
ruskieI can dial out though15:29
WedoxD ?15:29
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chem|stWedo: maybe in the near future the powermanagement of meego improves so it gets more reliable15:29
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ruskiemight need to change some settings somewhere15:30
Wedoawesome15:30
Wedothx alot u`ve been a great help guys15:30
ruskieand maybe the UX improves to actually be usable15:30
chem|stmeego is still in massive development and not for normal users, but with maemo you got already all the power in your pocket to make any iProwner or Droid wet his pants15:31
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ruskieas far as I'm concerned maemo did that already15:31
chem|struskie: read again!15:31
ruskiegah15:32
ruskiesorry but our office still doesn't have AC turned on and it's insanely hummid15:32
ruskieso my brain isn't working as it should15:32
E0xyes meamo have some little limitations and is not already fixed by community because nokia no release some parts of it15:32
chem|sttrue but MohammadAG et al do an awesome job with the CSSU15:33
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E0xchem|st: yes , indeed15:33
E0xbut like Doc say CSSU is now more for feature add that bug solving15:33
E0xi am think is missing the point15:33
E0xbut CSSU anyway is still a great great job15:34
Macerdamn15:34
Macerthought this mail for exchange would work15:34
Macerit keeps hanging at calendar and tasks15:34
chem|styeah you cant fix bugs in closed source parts15:34
chem|stapart from replacing them completely15:34
Macerthat sucks :/15:35
chem|stMacer: with what? google? no! with µ$-exchange kind of!15:35
Macerhuh?15:36
Maceryes15:37
chem|stwhich par, lol15:37
Maceri'm using mail for exchange to sync with google15:37
chem|sts/par/part/15:37
infobotchem|st meant: which part, lol15:37
Macerthe calendars are getting stuck15:37
Macerduring the first sync15:37
Macerit's just kind of sitting there with no completion bar and a rotating blinking circle15:37
chem|stMacer: calendar and contacts never worked for me - contacts only one way google -> n90015:37
Macerwell. that sucks :)15:38
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chem|styes but that is not maemo's MfE fault it is the borked implementation of active sync by google15:38
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Macerwell. some people seemed to have gotten it to work ;)15:38
Macerthe contacts are what i really want15:39
Maceremail syncs :)15:39
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Maceryeah it keeps getting stuck on the first sync of the calendar15:39
chem|st"some people seemed to have gotten it to work"? there is nothing to manipulate so how should they be able to achieve this?15:39
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Macerwho knows15:40
Maceri'm trying with the calendar disabled15:40
Macerto see if i can sync email and contacts15:40
Macerthe contacts are what i really want15:40
Maceremail would be a plus but i can use imap15:40
Macerthe calendar is meh.. i don't think i've ever used it15:41
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chem|stcontacts only one way15:41
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Macerwell the one way isn't coming this way ;)15:42
ruskiehaha gmail and imap that's a joke15:42
Maceryou said server -> n900 right?15:42
Maceri can't seem to get that to even work15:42
ruskiemaybe they'll fix it one day15:42
chem|styeah google -> n90015:42
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Macermaybe i am just being impatient15:43
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/apple_sim/ <-- why do we need an even tinier SIM?15:43
chem|stit gave an error but I had the "4" contacts on device afterwards15:43
Macerbut the calenar seemst o just sit there15:43
Maceras does the contacts15:43
Macerduring the first sync.. this sucks. i was excited about this :)15:43
chem|stI collect all emails on my own servers imap anyway, was just trying if it is usable and it denied15:44
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Maceroh wait. i think i know what the problem might be15:46
Macerit is probably processing all the email since i said to "sync all"15:46
Macer:) that was probably a bad idea15:46
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Macersure was15:50
Macer0 contacts?15:50
ruskienobody likes you ;)15:50
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Macergot it15:51
Macer:)15:51
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Macerwhere do you set how often it syncs?15:51
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Maceroh nm15:52
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Macerchem|st: let me see if i can get it to sync a new contact to the server :)15:53
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Macerchem|st: it synced from the n900 to google15:55
Maceremail works too15:55
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chem|stmmh15:56
chem|stok contacts never worked15:56
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chem|stmaybe some of the vcf3 standards the n900 uses arent supported15:56
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Macerit is all working ;)15:58
Macergoing from server <-> n90015:59
Maceri am about to test out the calendar stuff15:59
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Macerhm. the calendars didn't seem to wrok.. well.. calendar16:09
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RST38h"A combination of Moore's law and Android will bring down corrupt and authoritarian regimes over the coming years, Eric Schmidt declared at a Google conference on Privacy today."16:22
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RST38hDrugs and their effects on the corporate public relations, a study.16:23
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xxdareaperxxHi16:41
xxdareaperxxi kind of got into a problem16:41
xxdareaperxxmy phone starts with the white LED ligh16:41
xxdareaperxxwith the Nokia logo16:41
xxdareaperxxbut it shuts down again16:41
xxdareaperxxi installed nitdroid with multi boot , it worked ... but all of a sudden it just shut down16:42
xxdareaperxxi worked fine even after several boots and stuff16:42
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xxdareaperxxanyone there ?16:44
xkr47battery level low ?16:45
xxdareaperxxuh replaced the battery16:45
xxdareaperxxi had another one16:45
xxdareaperxxsame problem16:46
xxdareaperxxso weird16:46
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lcukxxdareaperxx, make sure the spare battery is charged up16:47
xxdareaperxxi'll just plug it to the charger16:48
xxdareaperxxoh okay16:48
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xxdareaperxxconnected to charger16:50
xxdareaperxxit just shows a dull nokia logo16:50
xxdareaperxxand it keeps buzzing16:50
xxdareaperxxno light also16:50
xkr47what happens if you press the power button at this point ?16:51
lcuksounds like you might need to try reflashing16:51
xxdareaperxxok16:51
xxdareaperxxfine i'll reflash it16:51
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xxdareaperxxThis is what i have to download right ? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin16:56
xxdareaperxxmines the middle east firmware16:56
xxdareaperxxi got the windows flasher btw16:56
xxdareaperxxand installed it16:56
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mer_gemozilla's "latest-beta" repo doesnt update firefox to 4.0.1 here. doesn anyone have the same problem?17:01
Macerdamn17:02
Macerlooks like syncing calendars only seems to work one way17:02
Maceri have tried everything17:02
Macerbut making an entry from the phone just stalls out mail for exchange :(17:02
Macerit just stays at synchronizing forever17:02
Macerthat is so lame :)17:04
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lolcatJay me17:14
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lolcat4900NOK in return for my N90017:14
villevmy mfe has been broken since my company upgraded to new exchange server17:14
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xxdareaperxxlucky17:15
xxdareaperxxluck *17:15
xxdareaperxxyou there ?17:15
lolcatWho?17:15
xxdareaperxxsays here : Run the following command (TIP: Do not include '-R' if you are flashing EMMC as well, see below):  flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R17:16
xxdareaperxxshould i reflash the EMMC ?17:16
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chem|stxxdareaperxx: depends17:23
chem|sttell the whole story please17:23
chem|st~seen lucky17:23
infobotlucky <~lucky@unaffiliated/lucky> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 164d 17h 13m 56s ago, saying: 'and I'm on US realms. '.17:23
chem|stxxdareaperxx: if you want your device "clean" like from the factory you flash the EMMC too, if you only want to reflash your root-fs you don't17:25
Macerdamn17:27
chem|sto_O17:27
Macerdamn calendar entries17:27
chem|sthehe17:27
Macerif i make one from the phone it just sits there17:27
Macertrying to sync17:27
Maceri can delete them and they disappear from google17:27
Macerand if i make one in google calendars it gets to the phone17:27
Macerbut making one from the phone and trying to sync just makes it try to sync forever17:28
chem|stwhy you even try?17:28
xxdareaperxxok reflashed17:28
xxdareaperxxty17:28
Macerchem|st: everything works except this :)17:28
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chem|stxxdareaperxx: ;)17:28
Macertoo bad17:28
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Maceralmost got exited about using maemo17:28
Macerat least the contacts and email works17:28
chem|stMacer: create a contakt with all fields you got entered "all", and try to sync that!17:29
chem|stcontact...17:29
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Macersuch as?17:30
chem|stMacer: well all contact details like accounts and birthday and everything17:31
DocScrutinizerfriggin drive by users17:32
chem|stas far as I am concerned... I do not want to sync my contacts to google ever17:32
Macerok17:32
chem|stDocScrutinizer: who what and if yes how many17:33
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DocScrutinizerxxdareaperxx17:33
DocScrutinizerhow many? actually zero17:33
chem|styea like that 300% speed thread17:33
chem|stjust idiots17:33
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DocScrutinizerjust started to tell him about friggin multiboot and his only option is to flash rootfs, and never again install that shit17:34
pupniklet's make something and make money17:34
chem|stI should setup a support hotline 5€/min17:34
DocScrutinizerI'll join17:34
pupnikwhy chem|st, are you hot?17:35
chem|stpupnik: video call costs 5€ Xtra17:35
DocScrutinizer"oooh, nitdroid. Sorry sir, that's our special helpline, which is 0900foobar and costs 15$/min"17:35
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chem|stwe can try with paypal links in here... charging for the help if it's cause is stupidness17:36
chem|stlike a fee-r.to.do.it.ever.again17:37
pupnik#bash has that technique perfected17:37
*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day)"17:37
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chem|st_o/17:38
pupnikheh nice17:38
chem|st~topic17:38
pupnikdid you see the animation i did for nokia?  used an old song of mine too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ17:39
pupnikthat was how i felt about n90017:39
pupnikbefore management crapped on it17:39
pupnikall hopeful and happy17:39
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*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day)"17:43
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lardmanlol @ topic17:45
lardmanbut if somone comes here to ask, they aren't likely to read the topic of course...17:46
chem|stlardman: http://tinyurl.com/paypal-dostortugas17:52
chem|stis what they get17:52
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, may I suggest pointing to #nitdroid18:00
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DocScrutinizerI can't do that as I refuse to even join that channel, to check if it's real18:02
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DocScrutinizereven less I know if you can get any semi-decent help to the issue there18:03
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DocScrutinizerI'd guess the users of that channel are as ignorant about the issue as are the devels of nitdridiot18:04
DocScrutinizerotherwise nitdriodiot would've adopted uBoot long ago18:05
DocScrutinizereven streamlined their "distro" to be boot-compatible with meego18:06
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chem|stnuts18:07
DocScrutinizer(just change uBoot menu wording from "2) meego" to "2) uSD (meego/nitdoid)")18:08
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DocScrutinizereven "2) uSD partition-set A \n 3)uSD partition-set B \n 4) uSD partition-set C \n 5) eMMC partitons-set A \n 6) eMMC partition-set B"18:13
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DocScrutinizerwhere partition-set N is the Nth partition with ext-fs and a file /boot/vmlinuz18:16
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: me?18:19
chem|stdroids18:21
DocScrutinizeryeah18:21
chem|stiPrones and others18:21
pupnikiphones are iprions18:22
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chem|stpupnik: they arent infective, it must be something genetical18:23
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chem|stdailylinux: test achieved18:23
chem|stiPrune would fit too in german18:24
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chem|stdawn is also nuts!18:47
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pupnikISRAEL HAS RECENTLY CREATED A BRANCH OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE TASKED WITH SEEKING-OUT AND CONFRONTING INDIVIDUALS SUSPECTED OF 'DELIGITIMIZING' ISRAEL ABROAD. -- THAT KNOCK ON THE DOOR MIGHT BE A MAGAZINE SALESMAN, OR IDF19:02
RST38hWhy all caps though?19:02
pupnikfor fun19:03
pupniklooks more 'cable' like19:03
RST38hFor fun, I would expect some pictures of evil Mossad commandos sodomizing a typical US liberal19:04
RST38hNo pictures, no game =)19:04
SpeedEvilIDF personell don't do that.19:04
SpeedEvilThey just shoot them in the head.19:04
RST38hWill do.19:04
pupniknote the recent goldstone retraction :)19:05
SpeedEvilRandom. There is a new version of powertop. http://freshmeat.net/projects/powertop/releases/32702519:05
SpeedEvilNot for n900 of course.19:05
SpeedEvil(well - not without some porting.19:06
RST38hSpeed: will it work on omap?19:08
SpeedEvilI have doubts.19:09
chem|st*facepalm*19:10
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chem|stoff19:10
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GeneralAntillespupnik: this is a good'un http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/18/no-right-to-resist-rogue-cops19:24
RST38hWhat is the sound of contraband being destroyed?19:26
RST38hWill chewing on a box of cuban cigars count?19:26
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pupnikGeneralAntilles: indiana is now tardistan19:31
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Sazpaimonwhat's the N900's microsd card reader's max speed19:52
slonopotamusdd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/file bs=4096 count=some_big_number should tell you19:53
SazpaimonI don't have a class 10 card to test19:53
Sazpaimonjust a generic classless card19:54
SpeedEvilSazpaimon: About 12M/s19:54
SpeedEvilSazpaimon: For both internal and external.19:54
Sazpaimonis that read or write?19:54
SpeedEvilboth - write speed will depend also on the card speed more than read19:54
SpeedEvilI have a very cheap card that does 12M read19:54
slonopotamusboth? that's weird, read should be faster19:55
Sazpaimonso it can take any class and use it to its max?19:55
SpeedEvilThe write and read speeds are the same - from a hardware limit of the reader perspective.19:55
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Sazpaimonso it could handle up to a class 1219:56
Sazpaimonshould such a card ever exist19:56
SpeedEvildunno how the classes work - I just tried with dd19:57
Sazpaimonthe class is the max sustained write speed19:57
slonopotamusSazpaimon: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=398.019:58
slonopotamusah, nvm, he tests n900 <-> usb speed19:59
* slonopotamus enjoys running revodrive ssd @ 450MBps read :)20:00
Sazpaimonright now I'm trying to find a card with the best random write speed20:00
SazpaimonI want to move swap to microsd and see if there's an improvement20:00
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Sazpaimonbut not a lot of cards document their random write speed20:00
SpeedEvilThat's as it can be as low as a few dozen K a second. :)20:01
Sazpaimonwhich is why windows phone kept gobbling up microsd cards a while back20:01
slonopotamusSazpaimon: i think it is safe to buy class 6 card20:02
Sazpaimonbecause windows phone OS saw microsd cards as part of the phone's space, and treated it as such20:02
Sazpaimonslonopotamus, I can't just pick up a class 6 card and expect it to have great random write speeds20:02
slonopotamusso, pick a class 6 card with fast random writes :)20:03
Sazpaimonhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13676412&postcount=87 here's a good post20:03
Sazpaimonit documents random writes of different cards20:03
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Sazpaimonlooks like class 4 may be the way to go20:04
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RST38hAh20:04
RST38hthanks20:04
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Sazpaimonnobody seems to have tested any 32GB cards which is what I REALLY want20:06
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SpeedEvilI vaguely recall a couple of peeps saying they workr.20:06
SpeedEvilHowever - I haven't run out of space.20:06
SpeedEvilI only have a 1G card in.20:06
Sazpaimonwell like I said, I'm going to use my card and partition it off20:07
Sazpaimonput swap on some of it, and either nitroid or meego on another, leave the rest for storage20:07
RST38hLooks like the random4k write speed has nothing to do with the card class20:07
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SpeedEvilPretty much not.20:07
SazpaimonRST38h, nope20:07
RST38hBUT, I doubt Linux will be doing 4k writes to these cards20:07
SpeedEvilSwap speed can be 50K/s or so.20:07
SpeedEvilIn the pessimal case.20:07
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SazpaimonRST38h, swap uses a lot of random writes20:08
RST38h128kB-512kB is more typical20:08
* SpeedEvil needs to get that flash-circularisation layer.20:08
SpeedEvildone20:08
RST38hSazpaimon:But swap has a setting of how much data to write at once20:08
SpeedEvilBased on nbd20:08
RST38hand it is set to something like 256kB afaiik20:08
SpeedEvilRST38h: That means nothing.20:08
RST38hIt does mean something20:08
SpeedEvilOr almost nothing.20:08
RST38hmeans the 4k speed is not the value you want to look at20:09
Sazpaimonyou think i should be looking at 512KB?20:09
RST38hmost likely20:10
SpeedEvil512K may be the initial swap write size.20:10
SpeedEvilIt does not stay that way on fragmentation.20:10
Sazpaimonproblem is it seems the higher the class, the lower the random write speed20:10
Sazpaimonit seems inversely proportional20:10
Sazpaimonhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13819977&postcount=112 check out the last rating20:11
Sazpaimon17MB sequential write, and 2.7MB 512K random write20:12
Sazpaimoni think we have a winner20:12
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RST38hSpeedEvil:If it swaps always in 512kB chunks, it will get fragmentedin exactly these chunks20:12
RST38hSazpaimon:Do notice how speed may vary wildly for the same card make/class/model20:13
RST38hSeems to depend on the card rather than its model20:13
Sazpaimonthat's true20:13
Sazpaimonit definately couldn't hurt though20:13
SpeedEvilRST38h: I don't think you can set the swap algorithm to do that.20:13
RST38hSpeed: There is a setting.20:14
* SpeedEvil still wants to do his circulariser.20:14
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SpeedEvilAny new block write to a virtual swap device is taken as a delete. The real write happens at a 'head' pointer, which skips over very dense areas, and consolidates less dense areas.20:19
SpeedEvil'is taken as a delete of the block in that location'20:20
ShadowJK512k random write is "trivial"... You want to know the speed under 4k random write :)20:21
SpeedEvilYou would get better results if you had more info as to what the swap alforithm actually wanted to throw away.20:21
* SpeedEvil wonders if swap might support trim at some point.20:22
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ShadowJKThe current swap algorithm in maemo is like the circulariser, without garbage collection and trim20:24
* ShadowJK plotted access patterns20:24
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SpeedEvilyeah20:25
SpeedEvilread is almost free.20:25
SpeedEvilWriting additional data is almost free.20:25
ShadowJKhttp://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png the sector of each kswapd write was recorded. Plotted on the Y axis...20:26
ShadowJKYou can see it writes sequentially until it reaches the end of the device20:26
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ShadowJKthen there's a few chunks of sequentialish, and thne it's mostly random20:26
ShadowJKthe dots in teh random area get smaller and smaller20:26
keks-n|2sup20:26
keks-n|2Monodevelop seems to be almost stable and I want to move it to etras20:27
keks-n|2What should I do?20:27
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SpeedEvilDo you have block write size recorded anywhere?20:28
ShadowJKno20:29
SpeedEvilPlotting that in 3d, with the third dimension being latency would be cool too.20:30
ShadowJKthis was with /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, it came out as 4k requests all the time20:30
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SpeedEvilWhere does that dump to?20:32
SpeedEvilOh20:32
SpeedEvilThat's handy!20:32
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ShadowJKProtip: running syslog at the same time is bad idea20:32
ShadowJKiirc I did cat /proc/kmsg | awk20:33
ShadowJK:)20:33
SpeedEvilI'm probably going to get syslog to throw it over the wall at another system I think.20:33
DocScrutinizerhmm20:34
DocScrutinizer?20:34
DocScrutinizer020:34
SpeedEvilyou need to set it to 120:34
SpeedEvil[11818.359254] pidgin(2862): dirtied inode 333864 (2011-05-18.180446+0100BST.txt) on sda120:34
SpeedEvilthen pops up20:34
DocScrutinizeraah, thnx20:36
jacekowskiWTF20:36
jacekowskii've heard something about microsoft buying nokia20:36
SpeedEvilOutright?20:36
DocScrutinizer:x20:36
MohammadAGold rumor, BS from good ol' eldar20:36
SpeedEvilSeems unlikelyish.20:36
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DocScrutinizercheck stock, will tell20:37
ShadowJKwent up on the rumours20:38
SpeedEvilNot much though20:38
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SpeedEvilIt's been bouncing around 8.520:38
Sazpaimonsomeone made an #eldork hashtag on twitter20:39
SpeedEvilSince feb20:39
DocScrutinizerwhatever that means20:39
ShadowJKeldar, eldork20:39
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javispedrobah, I much preferred the old days when instead of creating 600+ posts threads of plain BS over a _single_ screenshots of the interface we had intelligent people running the new device sw stack21:11
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javispedroI ponder why nobody asked why the "multitasking view" is different from the meegotouch task switcher...21:12
javispedrothe latter being more webos-like.21:12
javispedroI bet noone realized...21:12
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RST38hHeya javispedro21:13
MohammadAGoh yay javispedro's back, again21:13
javispedroevening RST38h, MohammadAG21:14
* MohammadAG checks if cyanogen's out this time21:14
RST38hjavispedro: these entities do not know what meegotouch task switcher is21:14
javispedroMohammadAG: again, but armed with an informatics degree this time!21:14
RST38hjavispedro: they may have seen a screenshot of course, but it was a while ago, and they are not big on longterm memory21:14
MohammadAGcongrats javispedro !21:14
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javispedroRST38h: as I was saying, a complete waste.21:15
* javispedro roots for qwerty1221:15
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RST38hqwerty had a point21:16
javispedroty MohammadAG21:16
javispedroMohammadAG: bet you did lots of new interesting things? ;)21:16
MohammadAGjavispedro, just discovered how hard C APIs are :p21:17
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MohammadAGparticularly maemo's well -cough- coded ones21:17
MohammadAGoh and I got my driver's license, but that's unrelated :p21:18
javispedrohey, I got one of those too.21:18
javispedroomg toshiba makes a 4'' 720x1280 screen21:19
RST38hyep21:19
MohammadAGbut you don't live in a country that tortures their drivers for 2 years :p21:19
chxjavispedro: omg which device21:20
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javispedroMohammadAG: 2 full years? O.O here that would mean more than 10000€ in taxes21:21
chxjavispedro: hitach i announced a screen like that at 4.5 inches back in feb21:22
javispedrochx: none ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/toshiba-declares-victory-in-pixel-density-war-367ppi-coming-to/ )21:22
MohammadAGjavispedro, well, fact is I can't go alone for 3 months21:22
MohammadAGI have to have someone over 24 years old with a license21:22
MohammadAGgiven that all my friends are 20 or under, or busy with uni, that means parents21:22
javispedrouh21:22
MohammadAGthe rest of the 2 years I can't carry more than 2 other people with me21:22
javispedroah, I see.21:23
MohammadAGjavispedro, btw, rules apply to everyone, even those over 30 years old21:23
RST38hOtellini: ARM servers 'ain't gonna work'21:23
RST38hMohammad: Haven't you got public transportation?21:25
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javispedromicrosoft spain is funding an event where they will exchange 3 1/2 floppy disks for "4-port usb hubs"21:27
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MohammadAGRST38h, yeah, but you know how buses should stop at bus stops ONLY?21:27
* javispedro ponders what kind of marketing strategy is that one21:27
MohammadAGthey stop where anyone wants here21:28
chxOK so i just goot catched up on the news -- it seems this time the N9 might be real -- but who is oging to develop apps for it i wonder21:28
MohammadAGa 5 minute trip = 1 hour21:28
RST38hMohammad: Yeah. No minibuses though?21:28
MohammadAGRST38h, Israel's also building a train/metro21:28
MohammadAGof course, that's been since 2004 I think21:28
RST38hMohammad: these stop at request21:28
MohammadAGit's still being tested21:28
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MohammadAGRST38h, that's the point, all buses stop at request21:29
MohammadAGthat means 10 stops every 5 minutes21:29
RST38hAh, I see21:29
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Macerok i give up23:55
Macercalendars just don't work :)23:56
Macertoo bad23:56
Macerwell..... works to the point where google can send to the n900 but not vice versa23:56
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zsolthi there.is it possible to put maemo to nokia e90?23:57
zsolti don't like symbian,well I seen an article about maemo23:57
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zsoltor mameo just for tablet phones?23:59

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