IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-05-18

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lardman	RST38h: The Grundian has some interesting things in it sometimes, like this: http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house	00:14
lardman	sorry I meant Guardian of course ;)	00:15
pupnik	in some ways that looks pretty	00:20
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lardman	not sure I like the roller blinds at the front when all the other openings have nuclear-proof concrete slabs! :)	00:21
RST38h	lardman: But...mmm.... don't they break through the glass?	00:21
* RST38h moos at javispedro		00:22
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javispedro	pardon the absence, but believe me, it was well worth it :)	00:23
lardman	RST38h: scroll down a bit, I think the concrete shutters stop that	00:23
RST38h	lardman: Anyway, you have got the housing, while we have got ZOMBIES: http://idu-shagayu.livejournal.com/2527348.html#cutid1	00:23
lardman	and the roller blind	00:23
pupnik	what you been doing javispedro	00:23
RST38h	javispedro: Was it WebOS or the opposite gender? =)	00:23
* javispedro graduated this very morning, and even has a job in mind, so life's in order		00:23
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pupnik	congrats!	00:24
lardman	RST38h: hmm, my Russian is a little rusty, time to get Google on the case	00:24
RST38h	lardman: forget the text, pictures say it all	00:24
lardman	lol Google reckons that's Italian on auto-detect :D	00:24
javispedro	pupnik: ty	00:24
RST38h	javispedro: !	00:25
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lardman	javispedro: indeed congratulations :)	00:25
pupnik	is that zombie eating borscht?	00:25
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lardman	pupnik: you know that's a sure sign of a zombie, have you not read the guide? ;)	00:26
pupnik	i think it's something else made with paprikas	00:27
RST38h	lardman: + http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5604/bender008.20/0_66075_4d7424e4_orig	00:28
javispedro	ty lardman :)	00:28
lardman	RST38h: no I want the link to #18!	00:29
lardman	"18. Mmm what a girl in the red. "	00:29
lardman	unfortunately the web seems to be going vvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrryyy slowly here	00:29
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DocScrutinizer51	hey javispedro \o/ - long time no see!	00:31
javispedro	heya DocScrutinizer51	00:32
GeneralAntilles	Yes, indeed. Long time no see.	00:32
GeneralAntilles	Hopefully productive things distracted you from this bs.	00:32
lardman	javispedro: don't try blaming the exams, MohammadAG has already used that excuse ;)	00:32
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javispedro	exams? thesis!	00:33
RST38h	qwerty12 used that excuse to quit!	00:33
RST38h	before he used his second excuse that is.	00:33
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lardman	lol	00:33
lardman	javispedro: ok thesis is a new one, we'll give you that one :D	00:34
Macer	RST38h: which was?	00:34
Macer	was that the maemo community sucked rant?	00:34
lardman	Android has better hw?	00:34
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Macer	:) which was true i suppose	00:34
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, ah congraduations to your gradumalation.	00:34
Macer	javispedro: do your thesis in abiword on your n900 with a bt keyboard	00:35
Macer	it will give you a sense of satisfaction about buying it	00:35
Macer	or should is say... FINALLY give you a sense of satisfaction haha	00:35
DocScrutinizer51	hey Dr. javispedro	00:36
javispedro	undergrad thesis =)	00:36
lardman	Macer: lol, I wrote a 3rd year project on a Psion series 5. That was bloody painful	00:36
RST38h	javispedro: that obviously has to be fixed	00:36
javispedro	DocScrutinizer51: so no dr (yet) ;)	00:36
Macer	lardman: i did my fair share of stuff like that on my n95	00:36
RST38h	lardman: I have seen a guy who did his thesis in MS Word	00:36
Macer	usiong this same keyboard as a matter of fact	00:36
Macer	wow this thing is pretty old heh	00:36
lardman	javispedro: DocScrutinizer and I are both Doctors, so perhaps we could do you an honorary one ;)	00:37
javispedro	there's still a chance I get a cum laude for it, so it's been quite a bit of hard work	00:37
Macer	but it works SO good in maemo now	00:37
Macer	i can just molest it	00:37
RST38h	lardman: He was completely bold and had to type it in 20-page chunks, because Word crashed on bigger documents	00:37
mece	\o	00:37
RST38h	s/bold/bald/	00:37
infobot	RST38h meant: lardman: He was completely bald and had to type it in 20-page chunks, because Word crashed on bigger documents	00:37
Macer	RST38h: hahaha	00:37
Macer	would sure suck if it crashed after typing 19	00:38
lardman	RST38h: Bloody M$ Word wasn't happy with my thesis, at the last minute it started arsing about with page breaks, section formatting, the whole lot. Craptastic	00:38
RST38h	Entering mathematical formulas was particularly tricky	00:38
Macer	i'm guessing he was saving it every 10 seconds	00:38
RST38h	lardman: Real men use LaTeX	00:38
Macer	HAHAH	00:38
lardman	yeah yeah!	00:38
* javispedro used LaTeX.... and beamer...		00:38
Macer	latex.. woooo!	00:38
RST38h	lardman: [keeps them from overusing graphics too, given how painful it is to prepare graphics for latex]	00:38
lardman	RST38h: yeah I've heard that about it :)	00:39
* Macer goes back to his west wing		00:39
Macer	love this show	00:39
mece	Wow, I love the Zombie house! Absolutely beautifyl!	00:39
* javispedro now has a few days of "nothing to do" until paperwork is done, so I'm pondering what project update first		00:40
lardman	Macer: when you said that earlier I thought of Green Wing and was going to suggest Campus (which was shot on my campus)	00:40
Macer	haha	00:40
RST38h	Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/	00:40
lardman	mece: got to wonder how long it would take to close the blast doors though in case of zombie attack....	00:40
RST38h	javispedro: preenv? ;)	00:40
javispedro	very probably, got a lot of patches to merge...	00:40
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javispedro	either way. what's new and cool?	00:41
RST38h	Well...N9 (or N950) has passed the FCC	00:41
RST38h	and some promo videos started showing up	00:41
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: btw, was quite unsatisfied with Portal2. Way too short. (I bet you bought it? ;) )	00:42
RST38h	According to Eldar (sic), Nokia will start discussing selling its mobile division to MS in a week, expecting to finish the deal by the end of 2011	00:42
lcuk	javispedro, is it playable?	00:42
lardman	javispedro: what does one do in Portal?	00:42
* lcuk has not yet tried it		00:42
lardman	I'm playing Crysis 2 atm	00:42
lcuk	lardman, original portal was puzzle based on jumping through a pair of portal windows you could fire at different parts of the room	00:43
lardman	so it's a cross between puzzle and FPS?	00:43
lcuk	highly addictive, me and jake would play for hours	00:43
mece	gaah! the N9/50 speculations are turning my hair grey	00:43
* lardman passes the Just For Men		00:43
javispedro	lcuk: obviously, it is nice, a bit of an evolution from the first game, no big surprises... but sadly, just a bit longer. less than 8h total single-player game for me, and I'm quite slow.	00:44
lcuk	lardman, FPS arena with brainwork to solve the puzzles	00:44
RST38h	mece: FCC filing is no speculation	00:44
lardman	ok	00:44
javispedro	RST38h: saw fcc stuff, no fmtx =(	00:44
lardman	RST38h: do you have a link for the FCC stuff?	00:44
RST38h	javispedro: does not mean it is not there	00:44
javispedro	but "it should" mean that	00:45
RST38h	lardman: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRM-680	00:45
lardman	hmm, interesting: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forbidden-LEGO-Models-Parents-Against/dp/1593271379/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1305668702&sr=8-5	00:45
javispedro	in my brief contact with real life paperwork I've come to learn that one should use the word SHOULD more often..	00:45
lardman	the title at least	00:45
lardman	thanks RST38h	00:45
RST38h	javispedro: may just be disabled	00:46
RST38h	javispedro: the planned production volume is rumored to be in the 100000 range	00:47
lardman	so it has n-band Wifi	00:47
lardman	n-mode even	00:48
javispedro	oh, I thought that 100000 was the MSRP =)	00:48
mece	RST38h, where'd you get those numbers?	00:48
RST38h	mece: no longer remember, but looked semi-credible(i.e. had a source attached)	00:48
RST38h	The most intriguing question is not what it has, but how are we going to get one... Given all the havoc at Nokia, will they even sell those to normal people?	00:50
mece	hehehe http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1008605&postcount=112	00:50
javispedro	video?	00:50
RST38h	mece: yawn	00:50
mece	RST38h, that's the part that's giving me grey hairs.	00:50
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mece	javispedro, "btw. I had a phone call with Nokia some hours ago. They will start investigation who leaked that video tomorrow. Someone is in serious trouble..."	00:50
javispedro	zehjotkah is really enjoying his position...	00:51
mece	yep	00:51
Sc0rpius	what video?!?!?	00:51
lardman	RST38h: are we normal people?	00:51
Sc0rpius	lemme see the video!	00:51
pupnik	i hope not	00:51
mece	Sc0rpius, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg	00:51
javispedro	I met him at MWC, iirc he joined intel...	00:51
Sc0rpius	thx	00:51
pupnik	zekot has a job?	00:51
mece	he said he's a blogger	00:52
lardman	Battery BL-4D, how many mAh is that i wonder	00:52
mece	1.2Ah	00:52
lardman	thanks	00:52
javispedro	pupnik: his position was more of "community engager" or sth along the lines	00:52
pupnik	it's gorgeous, i hope they really make em	00:52
mece	pupnik, indeed.	00:53
pupnik	i'll miss the clickey keys	00:53
pupnik	spongy keys arenm't as fun	00:53
RST38h	lardman: Yes we are, until stated otherwise	00:53
mece	pupnik, I think those are clicky	00:53
lardman	RST38h: :(	00:53
pupnik	i'll bet you a beer they'll be spongy	00:53
RST38h	lardman:At the moment,I have to assume that there is not going to be any developer program, so, yea, we are normal	00:53
lardman	well we can all cross our fingers and toes	00:54
javispedro	pfft	00:54
mece	RST38h, actually as I understand it there are 2 different devices, one which is dev device.	00:54
javispedro	they no longer have the budget to even ship the devices	00:54
RST38h	pupnik: I think there were some disassembled photos, they do show clicky-like membranes	00:54
pupnik	yaay	00:55
lardman	javispedro: that is more worrying of course	00:55
* alterego sighs		00:55
RST38h	javispedro:I will happily BUY the bloody device if they tell me where.	00:55
alterego	People are getting very worked up about this N9 device.	00:55
RST38h	alterego:There ain't any alternatives	00:56
pupnik	if it has drivers for maemo then yaay	00:56
lardman	RST38h: back of the production facility in Korea? ;)	00:56
RST38h	alterego: Hence is the unhealthy interest	00:56
mece	pupnik, leaky pics: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277330	00:56
javispedro	assuming the device will even go into production!	00:56
alterego	Yeah	00:56
mece	pupnik, clicky membrane spotted.	00:56
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lardman	well that FCC filing is quite recent, no point in doing that if you're not going to produce it I'd have thought	00:57
alterego	I think a lot of people make some guesses, then these stupid guesses snow ball into "fact" :/	00:57
RST38h	alterego:I checked the Android devices. If it comes to worst, yes, I will go with Android, some very nice hw there	00:57
pupnik	maybe the project is endangered and the leaker wants to generate interest	00:57
alterego	I don't even think Nokia will be handing anything out next week	00:57
RST38h	alterego: But the sw....meh	00:57
alterego	I'd love to be prooved wrong, but I don't get that same feeling I had about Amsterdam.	00:57
lardman	alterego: as long as they send stuff out too to those of us who couldn't make it !	00:57
alterego	Admittedly that was more of a sods law feeling, as I was heading to Iceland :)	00:57
RST38h	alterego:It will be Intel's conference.	00:57
RST38h	alterego:So, no, no Amsterdam	00:58
pupnik	what's the screensize on that n9 prototype	00:58
RST38h	4"	00:58
alterego	People are guessing 4"	00:58
javispedro	prolly the best part of the device..	00:58
alterego	It's capacitive :P	00:58
javispedro	argh	00:58
alterego	Now what's the best part?	00:59
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pupnik	i like being able to click with gloves	00:59
* RST38h goes to train himself on the E7 screen		00:59
javispedro	thanks for ruining my good humour	00:59
mece	alterego, no kidding. with microsoft coming charging like 600 ton turd, I'm not feeling the maemo love from Nokia...	00:59
RST38h	javispedro: at least it will be multitouch	00:59
pupnik	i see a career in malware in my future	00:59
RST38h	javospedro: those damn game conrols will finally become workable	01:00
mece	alterego, big screen, 4 row keyboard, slim, fast, linux :)	01:00
lardman	pupnik: targetting Iranian centrifuges?	01:00
javispedro	pupnik: go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200 ;)	01:00
alterego	mece: I'd say that's a lot of love where it counts	01:00
pupnik	javispedro: no, just badly written software for wp7 so people will go 'THIS SUCKS!'	01:00
alterego	If the device is as refined as it looks in the adverts, I think it'll be a nice thing to see.	01:00
mece	alterego, well if we and by we I mean I, can get our hands on the thing, then it's ok.	01:00
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lardman	it'll be nice to see no matter what	01:00
javispedro	pupnik: have you been doing this "job" already? because I see people already saying wp7 sucks ;)	01:01
lardman	lol	01:01
mece	wp7 sucks!	01:01
pupnik	:)	01:01
mece	I think it's a fair assumption	01:01
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pupnik	i ar winning	01:01
alterego	mece: I'd ignore tmo, in Nokias eyes a developer is anyone that wants to buy the device for development.	01:01
mece	yay, that's me!	01:01
alterego	mece: and I think people are getting confused about the few that Nokia tend to give out cheap to platform and application developers with the ones that are paid for full price by noirmnal consumers.	01:01
alterego	They're not different devices.	01:01
javispedro	alterego: you can hope the same crazy head who decided to send those forum nokia freebies will also be around this team	01:02
alterego	And Elop and the other guy said explicitiy there will be a meego device later this year.	01:02
mece	alterego, no, but people are claiming they are infact different in this case.	01:02
alterego	To me "a" means one.	01:02
RST38h	javispedro: WP7 does not need pupnik to suck.	01:02
RST38h	Handles the job on its own, quite admirably	01:02
javispedro	indeed.	01:02
alterego	mece: those threads are so noisy someone whispers "dev device" and everyone suddenly thinks there are two	01:02
alterego	Someone mentions "but there was a rumour 6 months ago that we wouldn't have a keyboard"	01:03
mece	wait, does pupnik suck on his own, or were you referring to wp7?	01:03
alterego	So now the _other_ fictional device doesn't have a keyboard.	01:03
RST38h	alterego: In Nokia's eyes, a developer is anyone the manager responsible for developer relations deems a developer	01:03
alterego	RST38h: good point, I never had an N900 DDP ...	01:03
RST38h	alterego: This may vary from conference attendees to Forum Nokia members	01:03
alterego	My karma was too low apparently :)	01:03
RST38h	completely random	01:03
alterego	I don't think Forum Nokia had anything to do with Maemo in the past.	01:04
lardman	alterego: you need to lay off the fly swat	01:04
alterego	Can't see that happening now either.	01:04
RST38h	lardman: And get the RAID?	01:04
alterego	Except maybe to drum up more interest in MeeGo	01:04
* javispedro naively kills a damn stupid fly		01:04
lardman	well perhaps one gets more karma for a quick death...?	01:04
RST38h	Anyway, it doesnot make sense to speculate. Let us wait and see.	01:05
alterego	lardman: I don't understand what you mean about the flies :P	01:05
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alterego	Or is it a metaphor for this "shitty" situation? ;)	01:05
mece	alterego, well you have plenty of karma now :)	01:05
alterego	Really? I thought it was still like 180 or something	01:05
lardman	alterego: you know reincarnation, karma and all that	01:05
alterego	I swear it never changes.	01:05
mece	alterego, tswindell?	01:05
alterego	mece: yes	01:05
mece	http://maemo.org/profile/view/tswindell/	01:06
mece	450	01:06
alterego	pfft, that's f'all	01:06
mece	alterego, 100 was needed last time...	01:06
alterego	I think it was actually 300	01:06
mece	I'm pretty sure it was 100	01:06
alterego	Or 250, certainly more than 100	01:06
mece	hm whatever. you are in the top 100 karma class at least.	01:07
alterego	Wow, I've got 220 points from ITT thanks?!	01:07
alterego	Nice.	01:07
javispedro	karma is more worthless than ever though	01:07
alterego	Indeed	01:07
alterego	They wont make the karma mistake again	01:07
alterego	Intel have a nice ninja programme	01:07
SpeedEvil	502. Almost meaningless.	01:07
lardman	if you survive you get a device?	01:07
alterego	I signed up for the intel app up developer thing on Sunday	01:07
alterego	I hope they give out exopc's like they have at the others' ..	01:08
* alterego chuckles		01:08
javispedro	exopcs?	01:08
javispedro	I've only seen more lenovos	01:08
alterego	They're basically the same as a wetab	01:08
alterego	But normally come with WP7	01:09
javispedro	*W7	01:09
alterego	Intel buy them cheap, stick meego tablet on it and have been handing them out at App Up developer workshops	01:09
alterego	Yeah, W7, sorry, freudian slip	01:09
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mece	lardman, LOL!	01:11
javispedro	so the Mono guy now started his own Mono company? Maybe he wants to be bought out by Microsoft...	01:14
DocScrutinizer51	ouch	01:14
* javispedro laughs briefly at the idea...		01:14
pupnik	Say's Law: production is the means whereby we empower ourselves to purchase other things	01:15
mece	hehehe I like how daperl changed his avatar to a pic from the leaked video :D	01:15
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javispedro	heh	01:16
javispedro	I bet that will all the leaked stuff registrations to meegoconf will now be filling _fast_	01:16
pupnik	maybe	01:16
alterego	Heh, there's a sign on the sf2011 site, "Oh, so _NOW_ you want to come to the conference ... "	01:17
javispedro	that would be frigging hilarious	01:18
pupnik	do you guys use hdparm -S on laptops?	01:18
mece	javispedro, yep. actually there was a tweet about that: @MeeGoConference: Registrations are filling up fast. If you want to attend #MeeGoConf, register now before we are full!	01:18
alterego	pupnik: you mean sleep?	01:18
alterego	No,	01:18
pupnik	ywa	01:18
pupnik	yea	01:18
alterego	Spin down pisses me off	01:18
DocScrutinizer51	not anymore	01:18
javispedro	pupnik: my laptop has one of the stupid western dig. hdds that tends to spin down after every 5 seconds of idleness	01:18
mece	pupnik, damn, it's late. I need to hfparm -S on myself	01:18
alterego	Especially considering how Ubuntu fucked it up for about 2 releases.	01:19
javispedro	pupnik: so I use hdparm -B to disable it when I cannot stand the visible UI pauses while the disk spins up any more	01:19
pupnik	i kind of like fan off, drive off	01:19
alterego	My load cycle count probably did the equivalent of 10 years in a week.	01:19
pupnik	hmm	01:19
javispedro	ah, load cycle.	01:19
javispedro	*s	01:19
pupnik	makes the thinkpad feel like an arm device with no moving parts	01:20
SpeedEvil	193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 151 151 000 Old_age Always - 148103	01:20
SpeedEvil	hmm	01:20
DocScrutinizer51	is killing HDD	01:20
javispedro	funny story. After a brief email exchange with the WD hdd support guy about how their stupid 5 seconds idle timer was making the load cycle count go over the roof	01:20
pupnik	how do i see the number of spinups	01:20
javispedro	I basically decided to end by saying "Ok, I will do nothing about it. If the disk dies early, I'm going to shove it up your ass."	01:20
SpeedEvil	pupnik: smartctl -a /dev/whatever	01:20
javispedro	and he basically agreed...	01:20
SpeedEvil	javispedro: Well - disk drives are getting smaller, and with less protrusions.	01:21
alterego	javispedro: :)	01:21
pupnik	193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000	01:21
* javispedro is already preparing some petrolium jelly for when the inevitable happens...		01:21
javispedro	I wouldn't want to be that guy...	01:21
SpeedEvil	Then of course there are microSDs.	01:21
alterego	pupnik: doesn't look like you've got smart enabled.	01:22
lardman	SpeedEvil: is it a 2.5" or a 3.5" though, that's the real sticking point, so to speak	01:22
alterego	pupnik: or your HDD is really dodgy :P	01:22
SpeedEvil	I find it mind-boggling that you can swallow a terabyte of storage in one gulp.	01:22
pupnik	llol lardman	01:22
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pupnik	how about a quantum 'bigfoot' drive	01:23
lardman	ouch	01:23
SpeedEvil	I have a couple of those somewhere.	01:23
Kilroo	SpeedEvil: I would want some kind of a casing or sauce or something, or that could really hurt.	01:23
SpeedEvil	Also a 60M double-height SCSI.	01:23
lardman	sauce! lol	01:23
lardman	chocolate perhaps?	01:23
ShadowJK	it makes sense, 001 is one step away from failure	01:23
SpeedEvil	Kilroo: I was meaning for example 30 32G microSDs.	01:24
Kilroo	SpeedEvil: So was I.	01:24
Kilroo	I have a 32G microSD. It has sharp corners.	01:24
Kilroo	Oh!	01:25
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Kilroo	I need to go thank that thread where they posted the fixed drivers so the damn thing would work.	01:25
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mece	SpeedEvil, are your bigfoot drives still working? they were the crappiest drives ever. Lasted about a week in my computer at the time iirc.	01:25
pupnik	almost bankrupted the company mece	01:26
mece	pupnik, yep	01:26
SpeedEvil	mece: Stopped working after I dropped the computer onto concrete.	01:26
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DocScrutinizer51	duh! shouldn't, really	01:27
DocScrutinizer51	:-P	01:27
Kilroo	I'm trying to decide which project to work on after dinner...installing debian on my new Archos101, or seeing if I can get it to tether to my n900 for internet and use my n900+Columbus for GPS at the same time	01:28
Kilroo	When what I should be doing is cooking dinner first and worrying about that later.	01:28
* javispedro finishes answering tmo private messages... booooooooooring		01:28
SpeedEvil	If you plug it in with USB tethering, it 'just works'.	01:29
alterego	People actually use Columbus?	01:30
lardman	bed time, nice chatting chaps, catch you on the morrow	01:30
Kilroo	SpeedEvil: Well, using it for GPS over Bluetooth worked pretty easily once I figured out where Android expects you to tell it you have a bluetooth GPS for it to connect to.	01:30
javispedro	cya lardman	01:30
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javispedro	alterego: you bet!	01:30
* alterego feels guilty he's neglected it for so long		01:30
javispedro	(though /me prefers less flashy graphics)	01:30
alterego	Heh	01:30
SpeedEvil	I used it once or twice on the bus.	01:31
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alterego	People catually use the USB tethering in Columbus?!	01:31
Kilroo	alterego: I googled how to use my n900 as a bluetooth GPS for another device, and Columbus came up via a post along the lines of "Awesome, a replacement for the minigpsd that I can't install."	01:31
alterego	Hah	01:32
Kilroo	I didn't have a usb cable with me so I did bluetooth instead of usb though.	01:32
alterego	Yeah, those -devel packages are still broken	01:32
alterego	-testing even ..	01:32
mece	alterego, now that qtm12 is out you could pimp columbus with some maps :)	01:32
alterego	I promise I'll make a release shorty after SF ;)	01:32
Kilroo	And I have not yet gotten the "let me share my ipv6 beta connection" scripts for usb and bluetooth from google code	01:32
alterego	mece: I had something slightly contemporary in the way of maps planned.	01:33
Kilroo	I have the mobilehotspot clone one but I haven't gotten it working yet.	01:33
mece	alterego, well takes about 5 lines of qml to show the map ;)	01:33
alterego	mece: though using qtm for maps will probably be a part of it.	01:33
* mece loves qml		01:33
javispedro	requiring connectivity would make this way less useful	01:33
alterego	mece: this is what we're demoing at SF: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/meego/screenshots/handset/	01:33
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alterego	It's my QML based dialer application :)	01:34
alterego	Ignore first and last screenshot ..	01:34
* javispedro goes directly to first screenshots		01:34
Kilroo	I will admit, though, that for what I've done with it so far Columbus could just as well be a daemon I could toggle through the status menu or something.	01:34
* SpeedEvil ponders a 'Bounce' based dialer.		01:34
mece	javispedro, columbus?	01:34
javispedro	mece: yep, maps	01:35
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mece	javispedro, obviously it shouldn't be a requirement	01:35
javispedro	it uses the ovimaps data?	01:35
alterego	Kilroo: well, they are just plugins	01:35
mece	javispedro, at least if you put "nokia" as the plugin	01:35
javispedro	nice to know!	01:36
alterego	Kilroo: I was planning on doing different use case types like that at some point.	01:36
alterego	Kilroo: so yeah, basically desktop widgets and standalone service plugins.	01:37
alterego	But I got distracted.	01:37
Kilroo	alterego: Cool. For the time being, though, assuming I do get both interwebs and gps connected between the devices at the same time, yay I get to try Google Navigation on a 10 inch screen.	01:37
javispedro	TMO has gone so downhill that I bet posts about android now add to a sizable amount.	01:37
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alterego	javispedro: I think the largest thread is that android one	01:38
Kilroo	And I can definitely understand getting distracted. Kudos for getting distracted at a point where stuff actually works.	01:38
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alterego	Kilroo: well, after you actually manage to install it ;)	01:38
javispedro	Kilroo: that's most open source software for you! problem appears, developers solves the problem, creates gigantic plans of future development for the little project, wanders off	01:39
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* javispedro is starting to realize that he is repeating such cycle too...		01:39
mece	javispedro, there are posts about android on tmo?	01:39
Kilroo	Now that I have an android tablet I feel considerably less motivated to see whether I'd brick my phone trying to make nitdroid use uboot...	01:39
javispedro	mece: there's a lot of NitDroid questions. 10% of the PMs I got were about android.	01:39
javispedro	(can you port this to androidthis or help me doing X on nitdroidthat)	01:40
alterego	javispedro: why are they sending you questions about android?	01:40
Kilroo	alterego: Manage? I selected it in fapman and it installed...I've done that at least three times, the most recent being when I actually had something to use it for...never had any difficulties.	01:40
mece	javispedro, I've so shut out everything android that I don't even notice that stuff	01:40
javispedro	alterego: the question I always ask myself is: why they do send me PMs?	01:40
alterego	Kilroo: oh, I think it was an issue when you upgraded from the last release.	01:40
alterego	javispedro: I get hardly any.	01:40
alterego	The occasional one about "How did you get Columbus to do this"	01:40
javispedro	alterego: I am way too friendly on other boards...	01:40
alterego	"Do you want to work for me?"	01:41
alterego	"Can I have your babies"	01:41
alterego	"Where did you go?!"	01:41
pupnik	you released emulators	01:41
javispedro	I know that music indeed.	01:41
alterego	"Why don't you answer my calls anymore?!"	01:41
alterego	"I'm standing outside your window .... "	01:42
javispedro	(if anyone reads the logs, and wonders if I'm talking about his PM: if you're reading the IRC logs, you are very probably not the kind of person I'm complaining about)	01:43
mece	oh man, speaking of android, did you see the N8 vs Atrix video on youtube?	01:44
Kilroo	I am now imagining someone just sitting and reading through IRC logs for hours	01:44
mece	LOL	01:44
alterego	Heh	01:44
Kilroo	It was hard to imagine until I realized I could very easily end up doing so under certain circumstances	01:45
javispedro	Kilroo: "tvtropes^W#maemo irc logs will ruin your life"	01:45
javispedro	mece: just saw the video. the nvidia tegra sucks as expected =)	01:46
pupnik	explain javispedro ?	01:47
mece	javispedro, yeah, that is just embarassing.	01:47
mece	pupnik, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6hienXEd0Y	01:47
mece	pupnik, we're talking 2x1000Mhz vs 680Mhz processors here :D:D:D	01:47
javispedro	pupnik: there was a lot of complaining here about how embarrasingly slow the tegra1 was when compared to virtually any other arm core	01:47
mece	javispedro, you think it's just the processor?	01:48
pupnik	n8 doesnt use tegra1	01:48
javispedro	pupnik: watch the video	01:48
pupnik	kk	01:48
javispedro	(the atrix iirc uses tegra2)	01:49
mece	I don't really care about symbian, other than the fact they use Qt, so I can make stuff for them, but that video just feels like victory :D	01:49
* mece is not a fan of android		01:49
* Kilroo is not a fan of android or iOS either, but is something of a fan of Words with Friends, particularly since none of his friends seem interested in wabble.org		01:50
alterego	It's thmb and doesn't have hardfp	01:50
ds3	except the tegra2 is crippled	01:50
alterego	~thumb	01:50
infobot	Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/	01:50
pupnik	hey nice video ty	01:51
mece	dammit infobot! That url goes nowhere!	01:51
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* javispedro ponders going to bed early..		01:54
javispedro	or playing some portal2...	01:54
pupnik	see the second keynes vs hayek video?	01:55
pupnik	btw nice big screen on the motorola	01:55
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pupnik	the fight continues	01:58
javispedro	well, gnite folks. a pleasure to see the lights are still running here ... ;)	02:02
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pupnik	cua	02:04
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mece	gah what the hell am I still doing here! Damn all these rumors, keeping me up late!	02:13
ShadowJK	N8x0 "has" hardfp :)	02:15
ShadowJK	it's an ABI thing more than a hw thing	02:15
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alterego	ShadowJK: it's a hardware thing with the tegra	02:32
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alterego	The tegra core can't do hardfp	02:32
GAN900	Tegra sux	02:36
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pupnik	why was the motorola so slow in picture zooming	02:41
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alterego	Poor coding, poor floating point	02:43
alterego	Could be a number of things	02:43
DocScrutinizer	http://de.eye.fi/products/mobilex2 nice SD card	02:43
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SpeedEvil	Those have been around for ages.	02:48
SpeedEvil	There are IIRC cracks to make them work 'properly'	02:49
SpeedEvil	without the eye-fi server in the middle.	02:49
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DocScrutinizer	ooh, a SitM	02:52
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DocScrutinizer	annoying shit	02:52
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GeneralAntilles	Engadget	03:03
GeneralAntilles	What's with everybody screaming for WP7 shit on all of the Nokia/MeeGo articles?	03:04
gabrielhidasy	because WP7 has killed maemo	03:04
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alterego	meego killed maemo	03:04
alterego	Well suffocated it	03:04
GeneralAntilles	Nah, Nokia board and Canada killed Maemo.	03:04
gabrielhidasy	both of then	03:04
alterego	WP7 is killing Nokia's FOSS envolvement.	03:05
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gabrielhidasy	nokia was my favourite company, however	03:05
gabrielhidasy	dealing with microsoft and with the devil is not so diferent	03:06
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pupnik	baseball bat to kneecap	03:07
pupnik	lol	03:08
SpeedEvil	Maemo got killed way before microsoft.	03:08
SpeedEvil	Intel killed Maemo.	03:08
SpeedEvil	And nokia open-source.	03:08
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gabrielhidasy	well, this is the maemo channel and it is not death, only stunned	03:10
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GeneralAntilles	and slowly suffocating in its own bodily fluids.	03:12
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pupnik	still best phone OS :)	03:14
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Serpher	Can anybody awnser a few questions I can't find out on my own about service in Toronto with the Nokia N900?	03:19
chx	Unlikely. Call Wind.	03:21
Serpher	Bell has it I know but Bell is...Bell. Wind wouldn't work for me cause I'm too far from Toronto to get reliable service so I'm told.	03:21
chx	Bell?	03:22
chx	Bell uses Band V, N900 uses Band IV	03:23
chx	you mixed something up.	03:23
chx	Wind or Mobilicity is your only options.	03:23
Serpher	The Bell store said they were getting some in and it supported 3G and everything.	03:26
chx	Then go to that Bell store and ask them to browse on the N900...	03:28
ShadowJK	they could browse on 2g	03:29
Serpher	They were out, were getting more on Friday but I guess I could check it out then.	03:29
chx	ShadowJK: good luck	03:29
chx	ShadowJK: Bell does not have a GSM network	03:29
chx	ShadowJK: they have an ancient CDMA and a modern Band V WCDMA	03:29
chx	ShadowJK: The phone won't even be able to authenticate to the network.	03:29
chx	Serpher: heck, you know what, make a call :D	03:30
chx	Serpher: that's not the N900	03:30
chx	Serpher: isit o the Bell website?	03:30
chx	Serpher: where?	03:30
chx	Serpher: it's well hidden http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Abell.ca++n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= Father Google can't find it either.	03:30
Serpher	A physical store they have.	03:31
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chx	You seriously believe this?	03:31
chx	they have misunderstood what you asked, that's it.	03:32
wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg	03:32
wazd	whawhawha?!	03:32
Serpher	I asked like a bunch of times "The Nokia N900 running Maemo?" "Yeah, we just starting selling it a few months ago, really popular"	03:32
SpeedEvil	Sigh.	03:33
SpeedEvil	Customer services lie.	03:33
SpeedEvil	First rule of fight club.	03:33
chx	Serpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility	03:33
chx	Serpher: HSPA+ 850 and 1900 (Launched November 4, 2009)	03:33
chx	Serpher: i do not even know about that 1900	03:34
Serpher	I'm pretty clueless about cellphone technology so this is all greek to me xD If you want to relate it to any normal networking protocols that will work.	03:34
chx	Serpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 and here iit says UMTS 900/1700/2100	03:34
chx	Serpher: and ... that's the end of it for you.	03:34
Serpher	Mobilicity will support me though?	03:35
chx	yes	03:35
chx	they will	03:35
chx	Mobilicity throttles the data so be careful	03:35
chx	check howardforums on that	03:35
chx	Wind reserves the rght to throttle after the first 5gb and they also block a number of ports	03:36
chx	but, moiblicity makes sure you wont be able to watch streaming vieo.	03:36
chx	(youtube normal works but higher bandwidth? no way)	03:36
Macer	that sucks	03:37
chx	Welcome to Canada, the land of mobile service sucks	03:37
chx	at least wind and mobilicy have sane prices for the data	03:37
Serpher	Mobilicity has a $10 unlimited data plan @_@?	03:37
Macer	:)	03:37
Macer	bell has 50% of the market share at 6M	03:38
chx	https://www.orderrogers.ca/rocket/data-plans	03:38
Macer	?	03:38
chx	look at those prices.	03:38
Macer	not a big canadian demand huh?	03:38
Serpher	We're just pushovers and too complacant	03:38
Serpher	We need to complain more and stop being panises	03:38
chx	right	03:38
Serpher	pansies*	03:38
Serpher	Jesus, those prices are high =X	03:39
Macer	dont most cap at 5GB?	03:39
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chx	Macer: not in general	03:40
chx	Macer: with 5c per mb Rogers will be SO happy if you consume 5gb.	03:40
pupnik	The Drake vs the Hydra - Mayer uncovers the story behind the illegal wiretapping http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1	03:40
Macer	5c???	03:42
Macer	omg	03:42
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chx	well some cable companies wanted $2 per gigabyte.....	03:44
chx	this is Canada, my friend.	03:44
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DocScrutinizer	2$/GB? sounds just sane	04:00
DocScrutinizer	here we can't get uncapped data, all carriers providers limit at 5GB (/month) the latest. Those dataplans are usually ~20€. You can get 1GB for 10EUR	04:02
* GeneralAntilles yawns.		04:02
GeneralAntilles	Is it Saturday yet. . . .	04:02
* DocScrutinizer passes coffee to GeneralAntilles		04:03
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pupnik	is there a plugin ffox that can read pages	04:03
SpeedEvil	I'm especially amused that one of the UK providers has chosen to offer an actually unlimited service.	04:03
SpeedEvil	They still sell an 'unlimited' - limited service	04:03
SpeedEvil	The real unlimited one is called 'all you can eat'.	04:03
DocScrutinizer	sorry, I just read "cable", missed that. WTF?!!?!?!!	04:04
DocScrutinizer	so our German 3G is as expensive as as Canadian DSL?? o.O	04:05
DocScrutinizer	HELL	04:06
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chx	nah they shot that one down	04:07
chx	there was http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1623145~cea3aea2fb8c9d31f7ec4f246faaac34/4494_57 this campaign	04:07
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dangergrrl	well, tmobile's "unlimited" service bites after you hit your quota for the month on the first day	04:16
dangergrrl	it still kinda works but pandora won't even stream	04:16
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SpeedEvil	Somewhat off-topic. Does anyone happen to have an xrandr commandline setup for rotating the screen so it is rotated 60 degrees right?	04:53
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pupnik	it can do that?	04:54
SpeedEvil	yes.	04:54
SpeedEvil	hmm - I must have been tireder than I thought last time I looked at xrandr manpage. It looks comprehensible this time.	04:55
pupnik	how about a manpage viewer that puts most common examples at top	04:57
SpeedEvil	To be fair, that's not really a common request.	04:57
pupnik	yepa	04:58
SpeedEvil	A manpage viewer that puts the topic you want at the top would be truly awesome.	04:58
pupnik	i tilt the laptop	04:58
SpeedEvil	I want to comfortably read the screen while lying flat.	04:58
pupnik	heh	04:58
pupnik	90 degrees too much?	04:58
SpeedEvil	However - it's a desktop screen, and tilting it may make it fall over.	04:58
SpeedEvil	yeah	04:58
pupnik	oh	04:59
SpeedEvil	I find it more comfortable not to have my head quite horizontal.	04:59
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DavidePalm	anyone here use queen beecon?	07:18
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DocScrutinizer	sure	07:27
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DavidePalm	DocScrutinizer hey, just trying to understand basics... so I need to add a new widget of queen beecon for each commend I want to run correct?	07:35
DavidePalm	command*	07:35
DocScrutinizer	yes	07:35
DavidePalm	ok, I'm trying to setup a command to turn my cellphone radio on and off at specific times of the day, not sure if it can be done...	07:36
DavidePalm	I know I can set a command to recur daily... but I would have to start it at the exact time I want it to occur... is that the only way?	07:37
DocScrutinizer	err, aiui QB is for executing cmds on pushbutton triger, not at a specific time of day. You'd probably want to use package alarmed for that	07:37
DavidePalm	ah ok	07:38
DavidePalm	thanks	07:38
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xd13	got that scud battery for my n900 shit is f'n amazing	08:03
xd13	even though it came from china had a very nice box n all	08:03
xd13	getting really good battery life, no overheating on it very happy	08:03
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* cehteh needs a new battery too		08:20
cehteh	chem\|st: do you want to order some?	08:21
cehteh	well i have my bike dynamo charger now .. seems to work fantastic :)	08:22
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Macer	is 3.5G what is marketed as 4G?	08:26
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slonopotamus	are you talking about wireless or hdd?	08:28
Macer	wireless	08:29
Macer	maemo says 3.5G	08:29
Macer	is that "4G" ?	08:30
slonopotamus	maemo terminology: gpsr-2g, egde-2.5g, umts-3g, hsdpa-3.5g	08:31
slonopotamus	*gprs	08:31
Macer	heh	08:31
Macer	so... yes?	08:32
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slonopotamus	i dunno what your marketers mark as 4g	08:32
Macer	hspda	08:33
slonopotamus	hsdpa	08:33
Macer	well... actually.. hspa+	08:33
slonopotamus	according to wikipedia, 4g is some other thing	08:34
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slonopotamus	who cares how it is called...	08:37
MohammadAG	Macer, 3.5G is 3.5G	08:38
MohammadAG	4G is LTE afaik	08:38
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ds3	what's WiMax?	08:41
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slonopotamus	ds3: highspeed wireless standard	08:42
ds3	in the language of 'G's	08:42
ds3	3.9G?	08:42
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MohammadAG	ds3, I thought that was 4G	08:57
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ds3	MohammadAG: it is all merky. some places say the LTE the successor to WiMax so that would seem to make it 3.9G	09:02
ruskie	LTE is 4G	09:03
ruskie	has been	09:03
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ruskie	WiMax has been around for a while	09:03
ruskie	it's like wifi on 'roids or something along those lines	09:03
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ds3	just forget about these stupid G's and call out exactly what it is	09:13
ds3	would be so much easier	09:13
Macer	MohammadAG: tmob doesnt use lte	09:13
Macer	they use hpda+ i thought	09:13
Macer	hdpa	09:14
Macer	heh. i get the letters jumbled	09:14
Macer	i believe whoever makes the standards allowed them to market what they use as 4G if the tech has the potential to reach the standard's speeds	09:15
Macer	which is why i asked if 3.5G in maemo is what is being marketed as 4G by tmob	09:16
Macer	even tho android phones say H	09:16
Macer	not 4G	09:16
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mece	GaaaaaH!	09:28
doc\|home	my thoughts exactly!	09:28
* mece want N9/50 frakking NOW!!		09:28
doc\|home	mece: does it exist?	09:29
doc\|home	all I can find is a silly teaser	09:30
mece	doc\|home, well something exists. If it doesn't, then I want the fictional N9/50 frakking NOW!	09:30
doc\|home	I hope it's real, just so I can buy a decent phone before they fuck it all up with windows	09:32
doc\|home	pardon my french	09:32
doc\|home	night	09:32
mece	doc\|home, o/	09:32
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mece	khertan, ping	10:15
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:48
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Sicelo_	morning Jaffa	10:48
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chem\|st	cehteh: batteries?	11:16
chem\|st	I am not close to you anymore but Treibholz is still	11:17
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mece	wtf.. WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 does nothing, right?	11:49
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MohammadAG	it syncs frames so they all take the same time	11:50
MohammadAG	without blurs, it makes the framerate epic, and the device may crash	11:50
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RST38h	Moo.	11:55
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RST38h	...When the substance is heated or disturbed enough it will burst and print an area about 3m from the center of the blast with random latin characters, with no coherent paragraph, sentence or word patterns.	11:59
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jani	RST38h: skilled observer may also notice small flames bursting here and there inbetween the characters.	12:08
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MohammadAG	jani, they would also notice two spaces between two words :p	12:11
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jani	lol	12:16
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mece	MohammadAG, oh. so it actually does something. That's nice. This was one of the things that worked on some devices, and not on others iirc..	12:39
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mece	MohammadAG, hmm.. seems everything is a lot slower now with WSEGL_UseHWSync=1	12:50
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MohammadAG	mece, then you have blur enabled	13:15
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mece	MohammadAG, how do I disable it?	13:19
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mece	I thought the symbian/meego choice in that thing that time disables blur	13:19
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ruskie	hmm I wonder if the N9 will actually get a usable handset UX...	13:24
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Jaffa	ruskie: I think it'll be better than the one Nokia contributed to meego.com; but suspect it'll feel different (simpler?) to N900 :-/	13:24
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ruskie	Jaffa, well I'll have to play with it...	13:26
ruskie	I might get it... but I think I'll still prefer the N900 over it	13:26
ruskie	if I do get it it'll be via contract...	13:26
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ruskie	and of course it depends on what I can do with it to see if it's actually a viable N900 replacement	13:27
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Jaffa	Yup	13:29
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Jaffa	And I still use my N810 with Navicore as a GPS (car mount + offline maps/search/nav)	13:30
chem\|st	do we know yet if its capacitive or resistive?	13:30
ruskie	most likely useless cap	13:30
chem\|st	developer device != cap those idiots	13:30
chem\|st	why do I need cap if there is a hardware keyboard	13:31
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chem\|st	all the good painting and sketching apps for nothing then...	13:31
ruskie	all the cap devices I tried so far by friends/coworkers that have them that say ow great it works so great etc... shudder couldn't have been more useless	13:31
chem\|st	+1	13:32
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Jaffa	N8 is OK with cap, but it took a while to get used to not using finger nails. Cap on iPad is very good, possibly because larger screen means less precision needed	13:32
ruskie	from the ipod touch various droids... even a symbian device(I'm assuming it is cap)	13:32
chem\|st	a friend suffers from taking off gloves by -40°C anytime he uses the phone	13:32
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ruskie	hahaha	13:33
trx	lol	13:33
ruskie	I actually managed to use the N900 with leather gloves on	13:33
trx	that's gotta suck	13:33
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chem\|st	cap is only on one case logical, and that is for an outdoor mobile to have it highly scratch resistant	13:33
ruskie	those tend to not be the best for precission usually since they have some extra material sewed in and around	13:33
mece	I used N900 with gloves on this winter a lot.	13:33
ruskie	and of course the ability to use a stylus... +++++++++++++	13:34
ruskie	even though I hardly use it	13:34
chem\|st	there are styluses but why do I have a proper 3 in one stylus...	13:34
ruskie	I also still wonder how people manage to lose their styli?	13:35
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chem\|st	ruskie: that and how to navigate on websites without...	13:35
ruskie	well a fingernail can do it amazingly well	13:35
chem\|st	the UI is fingerfriendly but the time it gets into editorial work on pdfs and websites I need the stylus	13:36
ruskie	a finger... if it's the only link under the finger... it'll work	13:36
ruskie	else you'll get a random link from the area	13:36
Jaffa	ruskie: My N900 stylus is beginning to get quite loose. May switch to my other one.	13:37
trx	i lost my stylus :(	13:37
ruskie	how	13:37
ruskie	how do people manage to lose them	13:37
trx	someone used it and didnt put it back	13:38
trx	i picked up the phone from the table and left :)	13:38
chem\|st	trx: that "someone" never gonna happen	13:38
ruskie	I haven't lost the stylus on the palm m105, nds xl, n900	13:39
trx	and now of course.. try and buy a n900 stylus in serbia ;)	13:40
chem\|st	and I have only light scratches on the screen only visible in the right angle of light and there only if looked at from the side... but I do not put gum-foil in my pocket with it nor keys nor do I put it in a bag with other stuff...	13:40
ruskie	trx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia	13:41
ruskie	chem\|st, ahh I have a privacy screen protector on mine	13:41
ruskie	it's like 2-3mm thick... just enough to fill up the bevel around the screen	13:41
ruskie	limits the viewing angle to directly in front of my eyes	13:42
trx	ruskie well, i can probably buy it in Belgrade (the main city) but its 180KM away..	13:42
chem\|st	no screen protectors no bag no nothing	13:42
ruskie	so must say no scratches at all	13:42
trx	and i dont know where so.. :)	13:42
chem\|st	thats barely one mm but ok	13:42
ruskie	trx, yeah I know Belgrade is the capital of serbia ;)	13:42
ruskie	chem\|st, the bevel?	13:42
ruskie	well	13:42
ruskie	it just looks thick no matter how I look at it	13:42
chem\|st	trx: no webshops?	13:42
trx	chem\|st there are, but no luck..	13:43
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ruskie	trx, remember used to be the capital of yugoslavia ;) and slovenia was part of that	13:43
trx	you are from slovenia?	13:43
chem\|st	just order it from somewhere in europe, they surely ship to you	13:43
ruskie	[12:41:09] <ruskie> trx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia	13:43
trx	so, you get it in slovenia, and send it to me :D	13:44
ruskie	it would probably get lost in the mail	13:44
trx	yeah :/	13:44
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ruskie	chem\|st, as for europe shipping... good joke... unless you're part of the first 12 eu countries there is no guarntee you'll even get a shipping to... and if that it could cost quite a lot	13:45
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trx	yeah	13:46
ruskie	apparently slovenia is a risk for shipping to... so they charge higher... even though we're in the EU	13:46
trx	and paying is a problem too	13:46
trx	we dont have paypal here	13:46
ruskie	moneybookers gives you a mastercard for 10 eurs	13:46
trx	and i dont like to give out my credit card number..	13:46
ruskie	prepay mastercard	13:47
ruskie	so you load it up	13:47
ruskie	and use it	13:47
trx	didnt know about that	13:47
ruskie	that's what I use	13:47
trx	ill ask arround about that, thanks	13:47
ruskie	www.moneybookers.com	13:47
ruskie	or ask any of the banks if they offer prepay master or visa cards	13:47
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trx	yeah, ill try that hopefully they have it	13:49
ruskie	I just went with moneybookers myself since they offer online payments as well(similar to paypal)	13:50
ruskie	and because none of the banks here really offer anything like that	13:50
ruskie	I prefer to use money I have... not money I have to pay back next month that I used previous month	13:51
trx	my bank does have a special master card that is just for online payments	13:52
trx	and i have it, but dont like to give out the number to everyone..	13:52
ruskie	yeah it sucks if you have a pay after use card	13:53
MohammadAG	I'll try to get hildon on the N9	13:53
MohammadAG	Cordia's kind of stalled atm	13:53
MohammadAG	or a Qt rewrite of it	13:53
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trx	Qt rewrite of hildon?	13:54
MohammadAG	would be nice to have on tbh :p	13:54
ruskie	http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/18/e_ink_epson_retina_display/ <-- hmm	13:55
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joga	bah...they should call 'retina displays' something that actually puts an image directly to your eye	13:56
ruskie	hehe	13:57
trx	yeap, would be nice to have electronic lenses :)	13:57
joga	and I've been waiting for ages and still no consumer product that does that	13:57
trx	(actually usable)	13:57
ruskie	I'd be happy with a HUD in the glasses	13:57
joga	it's silly, we haul around big monitors and have projectors and whatever and all we should need is some tiny thingy in the eye	13:57
ruskie	and a camera to superimpose data around	13:57
joga	(or brain even)	13:57
joga	:p	13:57
trx	these are still too big and cost too much :)	13:57
ruskie	I don't want a direct brain interface	13:58
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ruskie	I have enough problems getting coherent thought out	13:58
joga	I thought the US army had such a retinal projection thing in the helmets of eurofighter pilots	13:58
ruskie	I'd probably crash everything around me with one of those...	13:58
joga	or was it eurofighter...anyway the high-tech fighter	13:58
trx	i would like to be able to write software for the brain :)	13:58
trx	and put a small wifi antenna on my head :)	13:58
ruskie	joga, probably a normal HUD projected on a display in front of the eye	13:59
joga	and unless I'm mistaken, this fighter headset thing was in the 90s	13:59
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ruskie	stuff that is available	13:59
ruskie	just still costs	13:59
trx	costs like hell	13:59
ruskie	trx, mmm virii in the brain...	13:59
joga	ruskie, the pilots allegedly said that they wanted a virtual representation of the cockpit because they could see through the plane	13:59
ruskie	trx, not that much	13:59
ruskie	iirc 1000 usd or somewhere in that area	13:59
ruskie	still a lot	13:59
trx	i mean quality ones	13:59
ruskie	but not like hell ;)	13:59
ruskie	I'm looking for usable first	14:00
ruskie	if it isn't usable quality is pointless	14:00
trx	i actually found some for arround 400 usd	14:00
trx	but their quality was poor	14:00
chem\|st	ignorant idiots on TMO again...	14:01
ruskie	chem\|st, what else is new?	14:01
ruskie	chem\|st, btw what are you refering to? really hates trying to figure out what the refernecs are to	14:01
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Jaffa	ruskie: Possibly the N9 teaser thread	14:02
chem\|st	some guys writing that 300% speed howto, "we don't need no disclaimer... anyone on TMO should know that devel stuff can harm... I don't care"	14:02
ruskie	hahaha	14:03
trx	lol	14:03
chem\|st	Jaffa: lol no	14:03
chem\|st	Jaffa: there I just gave infractions to some dude double posting cursing on nokia (did't cause of nokia but the language used)	14:03
Jaffa	chem\|st: Cool	14:05
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Jaffa	chem\|st: Not that my vote counts anymore :-)	14:05
chem\|st	?	14:05
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ruskie	I wish nokia would actually diversify in more mobile OSes...	14:06
Jaffa	ruskie: More? Because Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo & WP7 isn't enough?!	14:08
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ruskie	Jaffa, yes more...	14:09
ruskie	or actually actually make more maemo/meego devices	14:10
ruskie	and they should have had this 5 years ago	14:10
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ruskie	love the english in that 300% thread as well	14:19
chem\|st	o/	14:21
ruskie	overcloak... I wonder what that is...	14:21
ruskie	sounds an interesting thing to wear	14:21
SpeedEvil	Overcloaking is wearing too many cloaks.	14:23
SpeedEvil	This can make you too hot, and cause reliability issues.	14:23
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SpeedEvil	It can also cause electromicturation, when the police taze you, thinking you have a bomb.	14:24
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DocScrutinizer	heh :-D	14:35
RST38h	Doc: Check out the comments: :	14:35
RST38h	https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel	14:35
ruskie	SSL handshake failed: A TLS fatal alert has been received. <-- hahahaha	14:35
RST38h	"One of the most important supplies that you must have is the bee suit. You need to wear this every time you will go near the bees because miu miu sale this will serve as your protection against their stings." <=== yesssss	14:36
RST38h	"It is really exiting that we will have a truly linux device in our hands." <=== oh yeaaaah	14:36
ruskie	you mean that N900 was not a truly linux device?	14:36
RST38h	It was not really exiting.	14:37
RST38h	N950 will be really exiting linux device though	14:37
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Trewas	if it is the same hardware which was planned to be released last autumn it may not be all that exciting	14:41
* SpeedEvil wonders about greasemonkey scripts to remove facebook 'like' thumbs.		14:42
ruskie	as long as it doesn't run x86 it'll be fun	14:42
SpeedEvil	I don't care about x86.	14:43
SpeedEvil	If intel manage to get power usage down to something reasonable.	14:43
SpeedEvil	Then fine.	14:43
SpeedEvil	More competition in the low-power space is great.	14:44
SpeedEvil	T-gates are an interesting possible gain.	14:44
lardman	so why did the Haramattan talk get cancelled?	14:46
lardman	not talk, the thing on the Sat or Sun that Dave emailed about	14:46
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lardman	I wonder if kerio clicked his heels to transform like that	14:54
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kerio	long story	14:55
lardman	np :)	14:55
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ZogG	<RST38h> N950 will be really exiting linux device though // that's what they said about n900 as well	15:04
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ZogG	n950 is much thicker than n900	15:04
ZogG	it's not cool, as Boris said, weight is realability	15:05
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ZogG	if you can't shoot you can always hit with it	15:05
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Wedo	hi guys ...	15:05
Wedo	anyone here ?	15:05
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ZogG	nope	15:06
Wedo	hehe :D	15:06
ZogG	everyone is out buying n950	15:06
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Wedo	... there is no such a thing ? :P	15:06
E0x	heh	15:07
Wedo	... there is no such a thing ? :P?	15:07
Wedo	anyway	15:08
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Wedo	i need some help about my N900.	15:08
Wedo	they told me to connect here and ppl will help me out	15:08
ruskie	well you actually need to describe your problem first	15:10
ruskie	else nobody will be able to help you at all	15:10
Wedo	oh	15:10
Wedo	wel. i saw ppl on utube installing Android on N900.	15:11
Sc0rpius	yeah but don't do that	15:11
Wedo	may i know why >?	15:11
Sc0rpius	it's extremely slow and useless	15:11
Wedo	uh...	15:11
chem\|st	Wedo: hi	15:11
Sc0rpius	you can't make calls or send SMS the last time I tested it	15:11
Sc0rpius	you can do it, and show it off to your friends that your phone runs Android	15:11
Sc0rpius	but it's not for the end user	15:11
chem\|st	Sc0rpius: sms should work but still no sound for calls	15:12
Sc0rpius	well, still pretty useless then	15:12
chem\|st	+1	15:12
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chem\|st	Wedo: stay away from anything but maemo for now	15:12
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Sc0rpius	and since rebooting the N900 is a HEAVY battery drain, you can't go around rebooting the phone from Android to Maemo and viceversa all the time	15:12
Wedo	oh..	15:12
Wedo	so i should stay onMaemo 5 ?	15:12
Wedo	i dont know how to talk privatly chemIst lol :S	15:13
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Wedo	What about the Nitdroid thingy ?	15:13
ruskie	/msg nick whatever	15:13
chem\|st	I tested two versions of nitdroid and was impressed of the work the guys did, hours after the public release by google but got rid of it in seconds...	15:13
Wedo	oh oky ty	15:13
ruskie	and there is no I there it's \| ;)	15:13
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chem\|st	Wedo: no need for private talks	15:14
Wedo	sorry 1 question. Nitdroid is good or bad ?	15:14
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ruskie	fonts need to be more readable...	15:14
chem\|st	ruskie: ever used nick-completion?	15:14
chem\|st	my font just shows fine but 1l	15:14
Wedo	NITdroid is good or bad guys ?	15:15
chem\|st	for me 1 one and l "lowercase-L" are just the same	15:15
ruskie	chem\|st, always ;) wrong person ;)	15:15
ruskie	chem\|st, then you have a crappy font ;)	15:15
ruskie	mine is just fine	15:15
chem\|st	Wedo: bad in terms of usability and where it comes from	15:15
ruskie	iI\|1l all look different	15:15
Wedo	So i should put ito n my N900 or .. ?	15:16
chem\|st	the first three look different indeed	15:16
Wedo	I just wana my mobile to look cooler and be faster and stuff	15:16
Sc0rpius	to me it's very bad	15:16
chem\|st	Wedo: ..or not	15:16
Sc0rpius	I installed it one, and use it like twice for 2 minutes each	15:16
chem\|st	Wedo: faster? then not	15:16
Sc0rpius	once	15:16
Wedo	so android and Nitdroid r totally useless for me ..	15:16
E0x	is not bad is just a unfinish work	15:16
Wedo	oh	15:16
Sc0rpius	faster? hehehe	15:16
E0x	Wedo: you need learn decide for you own	15:16
E0x	you check the all aspect of something	15:17
Sc0rpius	Nitdroid is so slow it's unbearable	15:17
E0x	and decise	15:17
Wedo	Im just new. i bought it like a month ago	15:17
Wedo	thats why i dunno anything :S	15:17
E0x	the research	15:17
E0x	google is you friends	15:17
E0x	and the power search at maemo	15:17
Wedo	oky mr.	15:17
chem\|st	Wedo: as you got your device now for 2 month and are quiet new to linux environment as well I suggest to stay on maemo maybe activate testing repository but NO devel and have a look around what suits you	15:18
chem\|st	Wedo: I get performance issues with wifi+IM at the moment especially skype...	15:18
kerio	skype is huge	15:18
Wedo	hm..	15:19
ruskie	well skype will just get worse now that M$ owns it	15:19
E0x	i will stop using skype , well i only have 3 ppl anyway	15:19
ruskie	I never used skype at all	15:19
ruskie	my msn account is deleted... my yahoo account is deleted...	15:19
chem\|st	as long as people don't use clients capable to do jabber VoIP+video...	15:20
ruskie	it's nice that they finally added a permanent delete option in those	15:20
E0x	i saw in the forum the subject about smartflex is getting hot again	15:20
E0x	some ppl say work great some ppl say is bad	15:20
E0x	etc	15:20
ruskie	chem\|st, assuming you need those ;)	15:20
chem\|st	~smartflex	15:20
chem\|st	ruskie: one is my girl^^	15:20
E0x	chem\|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=b7d7d79fd1a156d1becee900bf88b527&t=73040&page=6	15:20
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E0x	the tech world will awesome if everybody follow standards	15:21
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chem\|st	E0x: OC crap?!	15:24
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E0x	~smartreflex	15:24
E0x	chem\|st: power manage of arm	15:24
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E0x	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12032&contentId=4609	15:25
chem\|st	Wedo: still clueless?	15:25
Wedo	wel.	15:25
Wedo	i got the idea now	15:25
Wedo	but im confused	15:25
Wedo	the Nitdroid will amke my mob lox awesome and stuff.	15:25
chem\|st	may we enlighten you?	15:25
Wedo	but i wont be able to call or sms	15:26
Wedo	but the Maemo	15:26
Wedo	will make it look kinda bad	15:26
chem\|st	?	15:26
Wedo	but it`ll be perfect in use	15:26
Wedo	for calls and sms	15:26
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chem\|st	kinda bad? show me one device that can do things like start a full openoffice suite?!	15:26
Wedo	so thats the problem	15:26
ruskie	hmm nice... my work SIP account almost works well on the N900... just for some reason when someone is calling me it doesn't ring...	15:27
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chem\|st	why do you think maemo is bad? you "for sure" did not see it's limits yet	15:27
Wedo	maybe :P	15:27
ruskie	maemo actually is great	15:28
chem\|st	the hardware remains the same no matter what OS you install	15:28
E0x	ruskie: i read something about the same at tmo	15:28
Wedo	i guess imma stay with Maemo5 then :D	15:28
E0x	( no ring for SIP account )	15:28
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chem\|st	and if you like to PWN your friends just turn of their TV once in a while	15:28
chem\|st	stay far away from his remote	15:29
ruskie	E0x, in my case it's not no ring... it simply the PBX doesn't connect to send a call incoming signal	15:29
ruskie	E0x, it works fine on the n95 though	15:29
E0x	oh	15:29
ruskie	I can dial out though	15:29
Wedo	xD ?	15:29
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chem\|st	Wedo: maybe in the near future the powermanagement of meego improves so it gets more reliable	15:29
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ruskie	might need to change some settings somewhere	15:30
Wedo	awesome	15:30
Wedo	thx alot u`ve been a great help guys	15:30
ruskie	and maybe the UX improves to actually be usable	15:30
chem\|st	meego is still in massive development and not for normal users, but with maemo you got already all the power in your pocket to make any iProwner or Droid wet his pants	15:31
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ruskie	as far as I'm concerned maemo did that already	15:31
chem\|st	ruskie: read again!	15:31
ruskie	gah	15:32
ruskie	sorry but our office still doesn't have AC turned on and it's insanely hummid	15:32
ruskie	so my brain isn't working as it should	15:32
E0x	yes meamo have some little limitations and is not already fixed by community because nokia no release some parts of it	15:32
chem\|st	true but MohammadAG et al do an awesome job with the CSSU	15:33
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E0x	chem\|st: yes , indeed	15:33
E0x	but like Doc say CSSU is now more for feature add that bug solving	15:33
E0x	i am think is missing the point	15:33
E0x	but CSSU anyway is still a great great job	15:34
Macer	damn	15:34
Macer	thought this mail for exchange would work	15:34
Macer	it keeps hanging at calendar and tasks	15:34
chem\|st	yeah you cant fix bugs in closed source parts	15:34
chem\|st	apart from replacing them completely	15:34
Macer	that sucks :/	15:35
chem\|st	Macer: with what? google? no! with µ$-exchange kind of!	15:35
Macer	huh?	15:36
Macer	yes	15:37
chem\|st	which par, lol	15:37
Macer	i'm using mail for exchange to sync with google	15:37
chem\|st	s/par/part/	15:37
infobot	chem\|st meant: which part, lol	15:37
Macer	the calendars are getting stuck	15:37
Macer	during the first sync	15:37
Macer	it's just kind of sitting there with no completion bar and a rotating blinking circle	15:37
chem\|st	Macer: calendar and contacts never worked for me - contacts only one way google -> n900	15:37
Macer	well. that sucks :)	15:38
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chem\|st	yes but that is not maemo's MfE fault it is the borked implementation of active sync by google	15:38
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Macer	well. some people seemed to have gotten it to work ;)	15:38
Macer	the contacts are what i really want	15:39
Macer	email syncs :)	15:39
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Macer	yeah it keeps getting stuck on the first sync of the calendar	15:39
chem\|st	"some people seemed to have gotten it to work"? there is nothing to manipulate so how should they be able to achieve this?	15:39
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Macer	who knows	15:40
Macer	i'm trying with the calendar disabled	15:40
Macer	to see if i can sync email and contacts	15:40
Macer	the contacts are what i really want	15:40
Macer	email would be a plus but i can use imap	15:40
Macer	the calendar is meh.. i don't think i've ever used it	15:41
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chem\|st	contacts only one way	15:41
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Macer	well the one way isn't coming this way ;)	15:42
ruskie	haha gmail and imap that's a joke	15:42
Macer	you said server -> n900 right?	15:42
Macer	i can't seem to get that to even work	15:42
ruskie	maybe they'll fix it one day	15:42
chem\|st	yeah google -> n900	15:42
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Macer	maybe i am just being impatient	15:43
ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/apple_sim/ <-- why do we need an even tinier SIM?	15:43
chem\|st	it gave an error but I had the "4" contacts on device afterwards	15:43
Macer	but the calenar seemst o just sit there	15:43
Macer	as does the contacts	15:43
Macer	during the first sync.. this sucks. i was excited about this :)	15:43
chem\|st	I collect all emails on my own servers imap anyway, was just trying if it is usable and it denied	15:44
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Macer	oh wait. i think i know what the problem might be	15:46
Macer	it is probably processing all the email since i said to "sync all"	15:46
Macer	:) that was probably a bad idea	15:46
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Macer	sure was	15:50
Macer	0 contacts?	15:50
ruskie	nobody likes you ;)	15:50
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Macer	got it	15:51
Macer	:)	15:51
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Macer	where do you set how often it syncs?	15:51
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Macer	oh nm	15:52
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Macer	chem\|st: let me see if i can get it to sync a new contact to the server :)	15:53
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Macer	chem\|st: it synced from the n900 to google	15:55
Macer	email works too	15:55
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chem\|st	mmh	15:56
chem\|st	ok contacts never worked	15:56
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chem\|st	maybe some of the vcf3 standards the n900 uses arent supported	15:56
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Macer	it is all working ;)	15:58
Macer	going from server <-> n900	15:59
Macer	i am about to test out the calendar stuff	15:59
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Macer	hm. the calendars didn't seem to wrok.. well.. calendar	16:09
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RST38h	"A combination of Moore's law and Android will bring down corrupt and authoritarian regimes over the coming years, Eric Schmidt declared at a Google conference on Privacy today."	16:22
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RST38h	Drugs and their effects on the corporate public relations, a study.	16:23
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xxdareaperxx	Hi	16:41
xxdareaperxx	i kind of got into a problem	16:41
xxdareaperxx	my phone starts with the white LED ligh	16:41
xxdareaperxx	with the Nokia logo	16:41
xxdareaperxx	but it shuts down again	16:41
xxdareaperxx	i installed nitdroid with multi boot , it worked ... but all of a sudden it just shut down	16:42
xxdareaperxx	i worked fine even after several boots and stuff	16:42
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xxdareaperxx	anyone there ?	16:44
xkr47	battery level low ?	16:45
xxdareaperxx	uh replaced the battery	16:45
xxdareaperxx	i had another one	16:45
xxdareaperxx	same problem	16:46
xxdareaperxx	so weird	16:46
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lcuk	xxdareaperxx, make sure the spare battery is charged up	16:47
xxdareaperxx	i'll just plug it to the charger	16:48
xxdareaperxx	oh okay	16:48
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xxdareaperxx	connected to charger	16:50
xxdareaperxx	it just shows a dull nokia logo	16:50
xxdareaperxx	and it keeps buzzing	16:50
xxdareaperxx	no light also	16:50
xkr47	what happens if you press the power button at this point ?	16:51
lcuk	sounds like you might need to try reflashing	16:51
xxdareaperxx	ok	16:51
xxdareaperxx	fine i'll reflash it	16:51
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xxdareaperxx	This is what i have to download right ? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin	16:56
xxdareaperxx	mines the middle east firmware	16:56
xxdareaperxx	i got the windows flasher btw	16:56
xxdareaperxx	and installed it	16:56
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mer_ge	mozilla's "latest-beta" repo doesnt update firefox to 4.0.1 here. doesn anyone have the same problem?	17:01
Macer	damn	17:02
Macer	looks like syncing calendars only seems to work one way	17:02
Macer	i have tried everything	17:02
Macer	but making an entry from the phone just stalls out mail for exchange :(	17:02
Macer	it just stays at synchronizing forever	17:02
Macer	that is so lame :)	17:04
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lolcat	Jay me	17:14
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lolcat	4900NOK in return for my N900	17:14
villev	my mfe has been broken since my company upgraded to new exchange server	17:14
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xxdareaperxx	lucky	17:15
xxdareaperxx	luck *	17:15
xxdareaperxx	you there ?	17:15
lolcat	Who?	17:15
xxdareaperxx	says here : Run the following command (TIP: Do not include '-R' if you are flashing EMMC as well, see below): flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R	17:16
xxdareaperxx	should i reflash the EMMC ?	17:16
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chem\|st	xxdareaperxx: depends	17:23
chem\|st	tell the whole story please	17:23
chem\|st	~seen lucky	17:23
infobot	lucky <~lucky@unaffiliated/lucky> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 164d 17h 13m 56s ago, saying: 'and I'm on US realms. '.	17:23
chem\|st	xxdareaperxx: if you want your device "clean" like from the factory you flash the EMMC too, if you only want to reflash your root-fs you don't	17:25
Macer	damn	17:27
chem\|st	o_O	17:27
Macer	damn calendar entries	17:27
chem\|st	hehe	17:27
Macer	if i make one from the phone it just sits there	17:27
Macer	trying to sync	17:27
Macer	i can delete them and they disappear from google	17:27
Macer	and if i make one in google calendars it gets to the phone	17:27
Macer	but making one from the phone and trying to sync just makes it try to sync forever	17:28
chem\|st	why you even try?	17:28
xxdareaperxx	ok reflashed	17:28
xxdareaperxx	ty	17:28
Macer	chem\|st: everything works except this :)	17:28
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chem\|st	xxdareaperxx: ;)	17:28
Macer	too bad	17:28
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Macer	almost got exited about using maemo	17:28
Macer	at least the contacts and email works	17:28
chem\|st	Macer: create a contakt with all fields you got entered "all", and try to sync that!	17:29
chem\|st	contact...	17:29
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Macer	such as?	17:30
chem\|st	Macer: well all contact details like accounts and birthday and everything	17:31
DocScrutinizer	friggin drive by users	17:32
chem\|st	as far as I am concerned... I do not want to sync my contacts to google ever	17:32
Macer	ok	17:32
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: who what and if yes how many	17:33
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DocScrutinizer	xxdareaperxx	17:33
DocScrutinizer	how many? actually zero	17:33
chem\|st	yea like that 300% speed thread	17:33
chem\|st	just idiots	17:33
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DocScrutinizer	just started to tell him about friggin multiboot and his only option is to flash rootfs, and never again install that shit	17:34
pupnik	let's make something and make money	17:34
chem\|st	I should setup a support hotline 5€/min	17:34
DocScrutinizer	I'll join	17:34
pupnik	why chem\|st, are you hot?	17:35
chem\|st	pupnik: video call costs 5€ Xtra	17:35
DocScrutinizer	"oooh, nitdroid. Sorry sir, that's our special helpline, which is 0900foobar and costs 15$/min"	17:35
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chem\|st	we can try with paypal links in here... charging for the help if it's cause is stupidness	17:36
chem\|st	like a fee-r.to.do.it.ever.again	17:37
pupnik	#bash has that technique perfected	17:37
*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council \| Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources \| Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day)"		17:37
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chem\|st	_o/	17:38
pupnik	heh nice	17:38
chem\|st	~topic	17:38
pupnik	did you see the animation i did for nokia? used an old song of mine too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ	17:39
pupnik	that was how i felt about n900	17:39
pupnik	before management crapped on it	17:39
pupnik	all hopeful and happy	17:39
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*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council \| Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources \| Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day)"		17:43
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lardman	lol @ topic	17:45
lardman	but if somone comes here to ask, they aren't likely to read the topic of course...	17:46
chem\|st	lardman: http://tinyurl.com/paypal-dostortugas	17:52
chem\|st	is what they get	17:52
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, may I suggest pointing to #nitdroid	18:00
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DocScrutinizer	I can't do that as I refuse to even join that channel, to check if it's real	18:02
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DocScrutinizer	even less I know if you can get any semi-decent help to the issue there	18:03
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DocScrutinizer	I'd guess the users of that channel are as ignorant about the issue as are the devels of nitdridiot	18:04
DocScrutinizer	otherwise nitdriodiot would've adopted uBoot long ago	18:05
DocScrutinizer	even streamlined their "distro" to be boot-compatible with meego	18:06
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chem\|st	nuts	18:07
DocScrutinizer	(just change uBoot menu wording from "2) meego" to "2) uSD (meego/nitdoid)")	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	even "2) uSD partition-set A \n 3)uSD partition-set B \n 4) uSD partition-set C \n 5) eMMC partitons-set A \n 6) eMMC partition-set B"	18:13
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DocScrutinizer	where partition-set N is the Nth partition with ext-fs and a file /boot/vmlinuz	18:16
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DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: me?	18:19
chem\|st	droids	18:21
DocScrutinizer	yeah	18:21
chem\|st	iPrones and others	18:21
pupnik	iphones are iprions	18:22
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chem\|st	pupnik: they arent infective, it must be something genetical	18:23
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chem\|st	dailylinux: test achieved	18:23
chem\|st	iPrune would fit too in german	18:24
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chem\|st	dawn is also nuts!	18:47
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pupnik	ISRAEL HAS RECENTLY CREATED A BRANCH OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE TASKED WITH SEEKING-OUT AND CONFRONTING INDIVIDUALS SUSPECTED OF 'DELIGITIMIZING' ISRAEL ABROAD. -- THAT KNOCK ON THE DOOR MIGHT BE A MAGAZINE SALESMAN, OR IDF	19:02
RST38h	Why all caps though?	19:02
pupnik	for fun	19:03
pupnik	looks more 'cable' like	19:03
RST38h	For fun, I would expect some pictures of evil Mossad commandos sodomizing a typical US liberal	19:04
RST38h	No pictures, no game =)	19:04
SpeedEvil	IDF personell don't do that.	19:04
SpeedEvil	They just shoot them in the head.	19:04
RST38h	Will do.	19:04
pupnik	note the recent goldstone retraction :)	19:05
SpeedEvil	Random. There is a new version of powertop. http://freshmeat.net/projects/powertop/releases/327025	19:05
SpeedEvil	Not for n900 of course.	19:05
SpeedEvil	(well - not without some porting.	19:06
RST38h	Speed: will it work on omap?	19:08
SpeedEvil	I have doubts.	19:09
chem\|st	facepalm	19:10
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chem\|st	off	19:10
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik: this is a good'un http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/18/no-right-to-resist-rogue-cops	19:24
RST38h	What is the sound of contraband being destroyed?	19:26
RST38h	Will chewing on a box of cuban cigars count?	19:26
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pupnik	GeneralAntilles: indiana is now tardistan	19:31
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Sazpaimon	what's the N900's microsd card reader's max speed	19:52
slonopotamus	dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/file bs=4096 count=some_big_number should tell you	19:53
Sazpaimon	I don't have a class 10 card to test	19:53
Sazpaimon	just a generic classless card	19:54
SpeedEvil	Sazpaimon: About 12M/s	19:54
SpeedEvil	Sazpaimon: For both internal and external.	19:54
Sazpaimon	is that read or write?	19:54
SpeedEvil	both - write speed will depend also on the card speed more than read	19:54
SpeedEvil	I have a very cheap card that does 12M read	19:54
slonopotamus	both? that's weird, read should be faster	19:55
Sazpaimon	so it can take any class and use it to its max?	19:55
SpeedEvil	The write and read speeds are the same - from a hardware limit of the reader perspective.	19:55
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Sazpaimon	so it could handle up to a class 12	19:56
Sazpaimon	should such a card ever exist	19:56
SpeedEvil	dunno how the classes work - I just tried with dd	19:57
Sazpaimon	the class is the max sustained write speed	19:57
slonopotamus	Sazpaimon: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=398.0	19:58
slonopotamus	ah, nvm, he tests n900 <-> usb speed	19:59
* slonopotamus enjoys running revodrive ssd @ 450MBps read :)		20:00
Sazpaimon	right now I'm trying to find a card with the best random write speed	20:00
Sazpaimon	I want to move swap to microsd and see if there's an improvement	20:00
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Sazpaimon	but not a lot of cards document their random write speed	20:00
SpeedEvil	That's as it can be as low as a few dozen K a second. :)	20:01
Sazpaimon	which is why windows phone kept gobbling up microsd cards a while back	20:01
slonopotamus	Sazpaimon: i think it is safe to buy class 6 card	20:02
Sazpaimon	because windows phone OS saw microsd cards as part of the phone's space, and treated it as such	20:02
Sazpaimon	slonopotamus, I can't just pick up a class 6 card and expect it to have great random write speeds	20:02
slonopotamus	so, pick a class 6 card with fast random writes :)	20:03
Sazpaimon	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13676412&postcount=87 here's a good post	20:03
Sazpaimon	it documents random writes of different cards	20:03
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Sazpaimon	looks like class 4 may be the way to go	20:04
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RST38h	Ah	20:04
RST38h	thanks	20:04
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Sazpaimon	nobody seems to have tested any 32GB cards which is what I REALLY want	20:06
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SpeedEvil	I vaguely recall a couple of peeps saying they workr.	20:06
SpeedEvil	However - I haven't run out of space.	20:06
SpeedEvil	I only have a 1G card in.	20:06
Sazpaimon	well like I said, I'm going to use my card and partition it off	20:07
Sazpaimon	put swap on some of it, and either nitroid or meego on another, leave the rest for storage	20:07
RST38h	Looks like the random4k write speed has nothing to do with the card class	20:07
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SpeedEvil	Pretty much not.	20:07
Sazpaimon	RST38h, nope	20:07
RST38h	BUT, I doubt Linux will be doing 4k writes to these cards	20:07
SpeedEvil	Swap speed can be 50K/s or so.	20:07
SpeedEvil	In the pessimal case.	20:07
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Sazpaimon	RST38h, swap uses a lot of random writes	20:08
RST38h	128kB-512kB is more typical	20:08
* SpeedEvil needs to get that flash-circularisation layer.		20:08
SpeedEvil	done	20:08
RST38h	Sazpaimon:But swap has a setting of how much data to write at once	20:08
SpeedEvil	Based on nbd	20:08
RST38h	and it is set to something like 256kB afaiik	20:08
SpeedEvil	RST38h: That means nothing.	20:08
RST38h	It does mean something	20:08
SpeedEvil	Or almost nothing.	20:08
RST38h	means the 4k speed is not the value you want to look at	20:09
Sazpaimon	you think i should be looking at 512KB?	20:09
RST38h	most likely	20:10
SpeedEvil	512K may be the initial swap write size.	20:10
SpeedEvil	It does not stay that way on fragmentation.	20:10
Sazpaimon	problem is it seems the higher the class, the lower the random write speed	20:10
Sazpaimon	it seems inversely proportional	20:10
Sazpaimon	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13819977&postcount=112 check out the last rating	20:11
Sazpaimon	17MB sequential write, and 2.7MB 512K random write	20:12
Sazpaimon	i think we have a winner	20:12
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RST38h	SpeedEvil:If it swaps always in 512kB chunks, it will get fragmentedin exactly these chunks	20:12
RST38h	Sazpaimon:Do notice how speed may vary wildly for the same card make/class/model	20:13
RST38h	Seems to depend on the card rather than its model	20:13
Sazpaimon	that's true	20:13
Sazpaimon	it definately couldn't hurt though	20:13
SpeedEvil	RST38h: I don't think you can set the swap algorithm to do that.	20:13
RST38h	Speed: There is a setting.	20:14
* SpeedEvil still wants to do his circulariser.		20:14
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SpeedEvil	Any new block write to a virtual swap device is taken as a delete. The real write happens at a 'head' pointer, which skips over very dense areas, and consolidates less dense areas.	20:19
SpeedEvil	'is taken as a delete of the block in that location'	20:20
ShadowJK	512k random write is "trivial"... You want to know the speed under 4k random write :)	20:21
SpeedEvil	You would get better results if you had more info as to what the swap alforithm actually wanted to throw away.	20:21
* SpeedEvil wonders if swap might support trim at some point.		20:22
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ShadowJK	The current swap algorithm in maemo is like the circulariser, without garbage collection and trim	20:24
* ShadowJK plotted access patterns		20:24
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SpeedEvil	yeah	20:25
SpeedEvil	read is almost free.	20:25
SpeedEvil	Writing additional data is almost free.	20:25
ShadowJK	http://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png the sector of each kswapd write was recorded. Plotted on the Y axis...	20:26
ShadowJK	You can see it writes sequentially until it reaches the end of the device	20:26
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ShadowJK	then there's a few chunks of sequentialish, and thne it's mostly random	20:26
ShadowJK	the dots in teh random area get smaller and smaller	20:26
keks-n\|2	sup	20:26
keks-n\|2	Monodevelop seems to be almost stable and I want to move it to etras	20:27
keks-n\|2	What should I do?	20:27
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SpeedEvil	Do you have block write size recorded anywhere?	20:28
ShadowJK	no	20:29
SpeedEvil	Plotting that in 3d, with the third dimension being latency would be cool too.	20:30
ShadowJK	this was with /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, it came out as 4k requests all the time	20:30
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SpeedEvil	Where does that dump to?	20:32
SpeedEvil	Oh	20:32
SpeedEvil	That's handy!	20:32
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ShadowJK	Protip: running syslog at the same time is bad idea	20:32
ShadowJK	iirc I did cat /proc/kmsg \| awk	20:33
ShadowJK	:)	20:33
SpeedEvil	I'm probably going to get syslog to throw it over the wall at another system I think.	20:33
DocScrutinizer	hmm	20:34
DocScrutinizer	?	20:34
DocScrutinizer	0	20:34
SpeedEvil	you need to set it to 1	20:34
SpeedEvil	[11818.359254] pidgin(2862): dirtied inode 333864 (2011-05-18.180446+0100BST.txt) on sda1	20:34
SpeedEvil	then pops up	20:34
DocScrutinizer	aah, thnx	20:36
jacekowski	WTF	20:36
jacekowski	i've heard something about microsoft buying nokia	20:36
SpeedEvil	Outright?	20:36
DocScrutinizer	:x	20:36
MohammadAG	old rumor, BS from good ol' eldar	20:36
SpeedEvil	Seems unlikelyish.	20:36
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DocScrutinizer	check stock, will tell	20:37
ShadowJK	went up on the rumours	20:38
SpeedEvil	Not much though	20:38
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SpeedEvil	It's been bouncing around 8.5	20:38
Sazpaimon	someone made an #eldork hashtag on twitter	20:39
SpeedEvil	Since feb	20:39
DocScrutinizer	whatever that means	20:39
ShadowJK	eldar, eldork	20:39
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javispedro	bah, I much preferred the old days when instead of creating 600+ posts threads of plain BS over a _single_ screenshots of the interface we had intelligent people running the new device sw stack	21:11
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javispedro	I ponder why nobody asked why the "multitasking view" is different from the meegotouch task switcher...	21:12
javispedro	the latter being more webos-like.	21:12
javispedro	I bet noone realized...	21:12
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RST38h	Heya javispedro	21:13
MohammadAG	oh yay javispedro's back, again	21:13
javispedro	evening RST38h, MohammadAG	21:14
* MohammadAG checks if cyanogen's out this time		21:14
RST38h	javispedro: these entities do not know what meegotouch task switcher is	21:14
javispedro	MohammadAG: again, but armed with an informatics degree this time!	21:14
RST38h	javispedro: they may have seen a screenshot of course, but it was a while ago, and they are not big on longterm memory	21:14
MohammadAG	congrats javispedro !	21:14
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javispedro	RST38h: as I was saying, a complete waste.	21:15
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RST38h	qwerty had a point	21:16
javispedro	ty MohammadAG	21:16
javispedro	MohammadAG: bet you did lots of new interesting things? ;)	21:16
MohammadAG	javispedro, just discovered how hard C APIs are :p	21:17
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MohammadAG	particularly maemo's well -cough- coded ones	21:17
MohammadAG	oh and I got my driver's license, but that's unrelated :p	21:18
javispedro	hey, I got one of those too.	21:18
javispedro	omg toshiba makes a 4'' 720x1280 screen	21:19
RST38h	yep	21:19
MohammadAG	but you don't live in a country that tortures their drivers for 2 years :p	21:19
chx	javispedro: omg which device	21:20
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javispedro	MohammadAG: 2 full years? O.O here that would mean more than 10000€ in taxes	21:21
chx	javispedro: hitach i announced a screen like that at 4.5 inches back in feb	21:22
javispedro	chx: none ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/toshiba-declares-victory-in-pixel-density-war-367ppi-coming-to/ )	21:22
MohammadAG	javispedro, well, fact is I can't go alone for 3 months	21:22
MohammadAG	I have to have someone over 24 years old with a license	21:22
MohammadAG	given that all my friends are 20 or under, or busy with uni, that means parents	21:22
javispedro	uh	21:22
MohammadAG	the rest of the 2 years I can't carry more than 2 other people with me	21:22
javispedro	ah, I see.	21:23
MohammadAG	javispedro, btw, rules apply to everyone, even those over 30 years old	21:23
RST38h	Otellini: ARM servers 'ain't gonna work'	21:23
RST38h	Mohammad: Haven't you got public transportation?	21:25
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javispedro	microsoft spain is funding an event where they will exchange 3 1/2 floppy disks for "4-port usb hubs"	21:27
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MohammadAG	RST38h, yeah, but you know how buses should stop at bus stops ONLY?	21:27
* javispedro ponders what kind of marketing strategy is that one		21:27
MohammadAG	they stop where anyone wants here	21:28
chx	OK so i just goot catched up on the news -- it seems this time the N9 might be real -- but who is oging to develop apps for it i wonder	21:28
MohammadAG	a 5 minute trip = 1 hour	21:28
RST38h	Mohammad: Yeah. No minibuses though?	21:28
MohammadAG	RST38h, Israel's also building a train/metro	21:28
MohammadAG	of course, that's been since 2004 I think	21:28
RST38h	Mohammad: these stop at request	21:28
MohammadAG	it's still being tested	21:28
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MohammadAG	RST38h, that's the point, all buses stop at request	21:29
MohammadAG	that means 10 stops every 5 minutes	21:29
RST38h	Ah, I see	21:29
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Macer	ok i give up	23:55
Macer	calendars just don't work :)	23:56
Macer	too bad	23:56
Macer	well..... works to the point where google can send to the n900 but not vice versa	23:56
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zsolt	hi there.is it possible to put maemo to nokia e90?	23:57
zsolt	i don't like symbian,well I seen an article about maemo	23:57
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zsolt	or mameo just for tablet phones?	23:59

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