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| DocScrutinizer | grrrr, maemo.org suffers | 00:06 |
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| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-mv78xx0/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-orion5x/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-dove/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-kirkwood/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-versatile/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-footbridge/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-footbridge/common.c | 00:24 |
| keks-n | ./arch/arm/mach-integrator/include/mach/hardware.h | 00:24 |
| keks-n | From which of them I should get PCIMEM_BASE? | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> It's just you. http://wiki.maemo.org is up. << :-S | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: tried grep? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, looks fine to me | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin akamai geoip | 00:29 |
| keks-n | I've got this list from grep | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: IP? | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | wiki.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.233 | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mmpf, same here | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, Host 233.164.248.80.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) | 00:31 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: works for me | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's definitely timing out here, while garage and shit works | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | been dog slow an hour ago, now it's completely dead | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-01 23:06:01] <DocScrutinizer> grrrr, maemo.org suffers | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-01 22:51:27] <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook app name suggestions anyone? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | besides facepalm | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | racecrook | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "please-take-my-data-and-keep-it" | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the small tentacled one | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | polyp | 00:36 |
| nox- | farcebook? | 00:36 |
| nox- | :) | 00:36 |
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| mc_teo | Pinging forums.internettablettalk.com [74.86.202.247] with 32 bytes of data: | 00:37 |
| mc_teo | Reply from 74.86.202.247: bytes=32 time=277ms TTL=51 | 00:37 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer^ | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice, but not related | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | humm | 00:39 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 00:39 | |
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| mc_teo | 80.248.164.233 works too | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: anyway check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop | 00:49 |
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| keks-n | wtf. There is 2.6.35 kernel image for N900 in the Ubuntu repo | 01:07 |
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| kcin1 | where can i get libplayback? | 01:16 |
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| MohammadAG | it's preinstalled | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | keks-n, so? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo uses 2.6.37 | 01:28 |
| kcin1 | i do not have a n900 | 01:29 |
| kcin1 | can i download it somewhere | 01:29 |
| kcin1 | i mean can i download libplayback somewhere | 01:30 |
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| keks-n | >>keks-n, so? | 01:30 |
| keks-n | Why it's there? Who will use ubuntu on a such device? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | who will use buntkuh on *any* device?! | 01:31 |
| chx | haha so true i ditched it for Arch after five years | 01:32 |
| keks-n | Haters gonna hate -_- | 01:32 |
| chx | dude, Ubuntu worked hard on that | 01:33 |
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| keks-n | Their Unity is useless even on desktop | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly if I want a linux, I'm not going for one that reinvents shit to look more like redmond crap to please windows users | 01:33 |
| derf | So, you're an xmonad user? | 01:34 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: does pyQT offer gobject.timeout_add() ? | 01:34 |
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| keks-n | >>reinvents shit | 01:35 |
| keks-n | I'm using Cairo dock+AWN and they are located in the same place that Unity's dock is | 01:35 |
| cityLights | telling a timer to callback a function after an amount of time? | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | no, use QTimer isntead | 01:35 |
| keks-n | They are much more useful than it | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | instead* | 01:35 |
| keks-n | But the main idea is the same | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | QTimer::singleShot(300, this, SLOT(mySlot())) in C++ | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | that calls the slot once | 01:36 |
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| cityLights | is it n pyqt? | 01:36 |
| cityLights | o ok | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | well, it should be easy to adapt | 01:39 |
| cityLights | not bad at all | 01:39 |
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| cityLights | but I am tired now | 01:39 |
| cityLights | must pick up tommorow | 01:39 |
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| kcin1 | sorry for asking:so libplayback is not available from a repo? | 01:42 |
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| biston | good evening. simple question. is there a way to ignore 'hash sum mismatch' errors ? | 01:47 |
| biston | i've been getting it for the last week and i can't update my packages db | 01:47 |
| biston | extras-devel repo is the one not getting updated, the most important one | 01:48 |
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| biston | i tried adding repository.maemo.org with different IPs resolved from nslookup to /etc/hosts to switch servers, but it's not working either | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no way somebody can trademark "automagically" | 01:50 |
| biston | o_O | 01:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ridiculous: http://www.trademarkia.com/automagically-77646827.html | 01:52 |
| biston | lol! somebody actually did that, i thought you were kidding | 01:53 |
| biston | TuneUp, ain't this the TuneUp Utilities devs ? | 01:53 |
| biston | ah no, the album art thingy | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.trademarkia.com/automagically-77390897.html | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 01:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to brush up on trademark law. | 01:55 | |
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| biston | MohammadAG are you here ? | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, sup | 01:59 |
| biston | heyya | 01:59 |
| biston | do you have time for a quick question? | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | sure :) | 01:59 |
| biston | they're not answering on #ubuntu, they're the wise guys lol | 01:59 |
| biston | i've been having some trouble for the last week updating my n900 repos... hash sum mismatch errors. and i was thinking of ways to solve it. i found a vmware image of maemo that i can run on vmware on one of my dedicated servers and it updates perfectly with no errors every single time. is there a way i can use that hosted maemo image as a mirror on my device ? | 01:59 |
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| biston | it's more of a debian/ubuntu question, but i shouldn't have mentioned the n900 :p | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, you could use apt-mirror, but I've never used that :/ | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | then again, why are you getting hash sum errors? | 02:01 |
| biston | i think it's my ISP | 02:01 |
| biston | having some trouble with the connection | 02:01 |
| biston | i tried using the IP to which repository.maemo.org resolves to on my dedicated server (it's a different IP) | 02:01 |
| biston | but it's not working either | 02:01 |
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| biston | but on the server it's working perfectly | 02:01 |
| keks-n | If the problem is with your ISP, try to use VPN | 02:02 |
| biston | VPN is kinda sucky on n900, i'm sure you know that already | 02:02 |
| keks-n | Or a ssh tunnel to your server | 02:02 |
| biston | ah yes, why not, ssh tunnel | 02:02 |
| keks-n | >>VPN is kinda sucky on n900 | 02:03 |
| keks-n | I've watched Fox TV via vpn connection | 02:03 |
| keks-n | A bit laggy, but watchable | 02:03 |
| biston | i don't know why but on my n900 i connect to a vpn, work online for about 5-10 minutes, then it suddenly disconnects, also an ISP problem i believe | 02:04 |
| * biston lives in Lebanon | 02:04 | |
| biston | we have the most primitive internet connection you could ever think of | 02:04 |
| biston | like, we just got A-DSL 3 years ago. still no broadband | 02:05 |
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| keks-n | Lol, I moved from ADSL about two years ago when I moved from my hometown | 02:06 |
| keks-n | Most of people there was still using Dial-Up | 02:06 |
| biston | lol! really? | 02:07 |
| biston | it still exists ? | 02:07 |
| keks-n | Yep | 02:07 |
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| biston | what subscription did you have? do you remember how much you used to pay for it? | 02:07 |
| keks-n | Per-minute tarification -_- | 02:07 |
| biston | the A-DSL i mean, not the dial-up | 02:08 |
| keks-n | Hm | 02:08 |
| biston | you said you moved 'from' ADSL, that can't be per-minute O_o | 02:08 |
| keks-n | 128 bit/s | 02:08 |
| keks-n | About $40 per mouth | 02:08 |
| biston | oh wow | 02:08 |
| biston | we're still much better here then | 02:09 |
| biston | you mean kbit btw :p | 02:09 |
| keks-n | yep | 02:09 |
| keks-n | Before I've got ADSL in 2007 I was also using dial-up -_- | 02:09 |
| biston | i pay 40$ for a 512, but with a limit of 4GB down and 4GB UP monthly | 02:09 |
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| keks-n | At first it was 512 kb/s with a limit of 200 MB for $10 | 02:10 |
| biston | you know i'm renting a dedicated server for 65$/month that has a 100Mb/s connection with unlimited bandwidth (from UK) | 02:10 |
| biston | isn't that unfair ? | 02:10 |
| keks-n | Nope | 02:10 |
| biston | geez! | 02:10 |
| keks-n | What the temperature in your country most time of the year? | 02:11 |
| biston | well now it's spring, average is 20 | 02:11 |
| biston | in winter average is 15 | 02:11 |
| biston | in summer it goes up to 27-30 | 02:11 |
| biston | celsius | 02:11 |
| biston | pretty nice weather | 02:12 |
| pupnik | n900 rocks the socks | 02:12 |
| biston | but those past 4-5 years in summer it reached like 36-37 average | 02:12 |
| keks-n | Wow | 02:12 |
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| keks-n | Last summer we also had about 35-40. But there was also a lot of smoke | 02:13 |
| biston | smoke or smog? | 02:13 |
| keks-n | Smoke | 02:14 |
| biston | O_o ! | 02:14 |
| keks-n | I couldn't even see the ground from my window.highlight | 02:14 |
| biston | where did smoke come from lol! | 02:14 |
| keks-n | The whole city was in that smoke | 02:14 |
| biston | that never happens over here | 02:14 |
| keks-n | It was very hard to breeze | 02:14 |
| biston | we do have dust storms, but very rarely | 02:15 |
| keks-n | Forest fires... | 02:15 |
| biston | ah | 02:15 |
| biston | that's very rare here too, we have no forests anymore :p | 02:15 |
| biston | people are cutting off everything they can | 02:16 |
| keks-n | It took about 1-1.5 mounths to extinguish it | 02:16 |
| biston | why where do you live? you seem to have very large forests | 02:16 |
| biston | russia ? | 02:17 |
| keks-n | yep | 02:17 |
| biston | i thought it was pretty cold and snowy in russa all around the year | 02:17 |
| keks-n | It's true in the cities in the north | 02:17 |
| biston | oh, you're more like central asia | 02:18 |
| biston | moderate weather | 02:18 |
| biston | close to ours, just without sea breeze | 02:18 |
| keks-n | In such cities as Irkutsk it's 35-40 in the summer and -30-50 in the winter | 02:18 |
| biston | we'll be lucky if we get a -10 degrees in beirut | 02:19 |
| biston | you live up high in the mountains ? | 02:19 |
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| keks-n | Nope, I've never lived in Irkutsk, my grandma is from there | 02:20 |
| keks-n | I live in the "central" (which is actually the east) russia | 02:20 |
| keks-n | Here is no any mountains | 02:20 |
| biston | ah | 02:20 |
| biston | pretty cold weather in the winter for a low altitude city | 02:21 |
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| biston | i forgot how SSH tunneling works :/ | 02:31 |
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| keks-n | ehm | 02:36 |
| keks-n | ssh user@host -D port | 02:37 |
| biston | yea, idk why i was using -L | 02:38 |
| biston | ty | 02:38 |
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| biston | i'm off, goodnight | 02:51 |
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| arvut | same here. nite nite | 02:52 |
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| RST38h | (1) IN GENERAL- Any person who, in good faith and based on objectively reasonable suspicion, makes, or causes to be made, a voluntary report of covered activity to an authorized official shall be immune from civil liability under Federal, State, and local law for such report. | 09:23 |
| RST38h | After a spate of suicides last year, managers at Foxconn ordered new staff to sign pledges that they would not attempt to kill themselves, according to researchers... And they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages. | 09:25 |
| * RST38h tells himself to stop =) | 09:26 | |
| RST38h | Ah wait, there is more: Osama bin Laden killed in Pakistan, Obama says. US intelligence led to military operation; US says it has custody of al-Qaida leader's body. | 09:27 |
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| CableTwitch | Y'ello | 11:04 |
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| pupnik__ | who can make good icons for me | 11:08 |
| Appiah | I ca... oh GOOD icons | 11:09 |
| CableTwitch | Yeah, when he said good ones, I hesitated there too. | 11:09 |
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| cos^ | does anyone remember where maemo.org password recovery form is hidden? | 11:30 |
| pupnik__ | nap | 11:31 |
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| chem|st | morning | 11:38 |
| pupnik__ | and everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around | 11:38 |
| chem|st | cos^: enter wrong password the nextpage has a link | 11:38 |
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| chem|st | pupnik__: what kind of icons do you need | 11:38 |
| cos^ | chem|st: nope, there is no link | 11:38 |
| pupnik__ | chem|st: i'm not quite happy with my spell icons yet. needs to fit in with style of existing game | 11:39 |
| pupnik__ | think like wizardry 6 for DOS or dungeon keeper etc | 11:39 |
| pupnik__ | except with 24bit color | 11:39 |
| chem|st | ehrm there was wizardry 6? I stopped with 3 | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | nice | 11:40 |
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| chem|st | cos^: it says something like Click ^here^ in the first paragraph | 11:41 |
| chem|st | cos^: http://talk.maemo.org/login.php?do=lostpw | 11:41 |
| chem|st | and it does say it! now I need to recover my password to log back in again (just kidding) | 11:42 |
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| cos^ | chem|st: nope, link to that page is not on the login page. it has only "Username or password was invalid. | 11:42 |
| cos^ | Note to new users | 11:42 |
| cos^ | If you just created your account in garage.maemo.org, try again in a few minutes.Thank you...." | 11:42 |
| chem|st | cos^: please read again ^facepalm | 11:43 |
| chem|st | ^moan | 11:43 |
| chem|st | cos^: ok I would have to be more specific | 11:43 |
| chem|st | cos^: https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php | 11:44 |
| cos^ | are talk.maemo.org accounts same as maemo.org? "You have not entered an email address that we recognize. " | 11:44 |
| chem|st | as garage is handling the account why didn't you just go back there and have a look? | 11:45 |
| chem|st | cos^: garage and talk is different | 11:45 |
| chem|st | if someone asks for maemo pwd I think of tmo | 11:45 |
| cos^ | i have no clue which accounts are the related. there is _no_ recovery link on maemo.org login page. | 11:45 |
| chem|st | cos^: as not maemo.org is doing it | 11:46 |
| chem|st | cos^: HERE https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php | 11:46 |
| chem|st | maemo.org is actualy garage | 11:46 |
| chem|st | talk.m.o is talk.m.o | 11:46 |
| cos^ | it's not very good design that you need to go to irc and ask for the link every time you forget your passwd | 11:46 |
| chem|st | cos^: open a bugreport | 11:47 |
| flux | cos^, one possible alternative: don't lose your passwords :) | 11:47 |
| chem|st | flux: +1 | 11:47 |
| cos^ | flux: not an option :-) | 11:48 |
| chem|st | cos^: did it work for you now? | 11:48 |
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| cos^ | chem|st: yep.. thanks | 11:48 |
| chem|st | ;) | 11:48 |
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| cityLights | did anyone notify this odity: when opening the keyboard the screen fades and device is turned off | 11:49 |
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| chem|st | cos^: please confirm bug 12205 | 11:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12205 Password recovery link missing on maemo.org | 11:53 |
| chem|st | cityLights: nope sounds like a new feature | 11:54 |
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| chem|st | bug 12206 please someone confirm | 11:59 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12206 invalid passwd page on maemo.org register button | 11:59 |
| cos^ | does bugs.maemo.org use garage accounts? | 12:00 |
| cos^ | i guess not | 12:02 |
| chem|st | hmm I think that is the third (but last account) | 12:03 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNGvEdTwBQ Petula Clark - 1964 - Downtown | 12:36 |
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| cityLights | just before I start learning qt | 14:20 |
| cityLights | can any one pls help me with using gobject.timeout_add() and then calling it twice? | 14:21 |
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| chem|st | cityLights: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43862 | 14:24 |
| chem|st | is that what you are after? | 14:25 |
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| cityLights | min , thanks | 14:25 |
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| macmaN | is the n900 built in gps a piece of crap? | 14:59 |
| macmaN | offline navigation is key for me, i cant seem to get a fix at all while my girl's piece of crap n79 gets a fix in 5 seconds | 14:59 |
| macmaN | no agps no nothing | 14:59 |
| andre__ | yes, for some people gps in the n900 does not work well. | 15:00 |
| RST38h | for most people | 15:00 |
| haj | it works for me.. it just needs some time to connect | 15:00 |
| Appiah | are you using ovi gps? | 15:00 |
| macmaN | i just read about gpskinni | 15:00 |
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| macmaN | Appiah: just tried with location widget to start | 15:00 |
| macmaN | gpsjinni* | 15:00 |
| macmaN | about to install that now, see what that says | 15:00 |
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| Appiah | I thought the widget used the ovi maps gps | 15:01 |
| haj | when i was on vacation in Norway I just keept GPSjinny running so that it always had a GPS connection.. and used Sygic when I needed navigation.. :) | 15:01 |
| haj | jinni yes.. | 15:01 |
| macmaN | right, i just downloaded sygic too | 15:01 |
| macmaN | not sure i understand the pricing policy yet | 15:01 |
| haj | Also I had a car charger, so the power usage of the GPS was not a problem... | 15:02 |
| macmaN | the best deal is to take that 25% coupon and get 29.99€ price with it? | 15:02 |
| haj | macmaN: if the GPS has been off for some time it does need some minutes to get a connection if you can't use a data connection.. | 15:02 |
| macmaN | how does the n79 get the connection so fast regardless | 15:03 |
| chem|st | macmaN: nope you are doing something wrong or do not understand how it works | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AGPS N900 works like a charm here. It's a known prerequisite to have a working SIM | 15:03 |
| chem|st | macmaN: without "A" normal gps takes up to 12 minutes to get a fix! that isn't a bug that's how it works | 15:04 |
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| pupnik | THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID | 15:05 |
| pupnik | oops | 15:05 |
| chem|st | pupnik: don't yell at me! | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB N900 gps chipset is coupled to the BB5 RAPUYAMA modem chip and handled by the modem FW. It's quite likely this part of software doesn't assume you ever operate the modem&gps combo without a SIM inserted | 15:06 |
| pupnik | sorry | 15:06 |
| chem|st | :) | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | also NB my tests seem to indicate you don't even need any connectivity like GPRS/other_data, just a SIM that books in to a network seems to suffice | 15:07 |
| chem|st | macmaN: the n79 might be so fast as it had a fix at a nearby location not long ago | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone written a plugin for mbarcode in shell? | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | My educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the required remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, carrier can enable your GPS without you even noticing) | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/required/mandatory/ | 15:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: My educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the mandatory remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, ... | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (that's a fact...) that's why the GPS chip is connected to modem rather than APE | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it makes sense you need a SIM to get instant GPS | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect it's more the modem has custom dirmwarre designed for driving the GPS | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | The GPS will need a non-trivial firmware blob | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | and use lots of host CPUI | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:17 |
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| Pyro1099 | hey! | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but the design is due to regulatory requirements, which actually say 911 MUST be able to get the GPS position of any phone equipped with GPS | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even for so called "roechel-anrufe" where the caller isn't able to answer or actively enable GPS position transmission | 15:20 |
| pupnik | brr | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this is part of GSM specs and I guess the supl support fits in there seamlessly | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hidden transparent supl support OTA GSM | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as compared to the supl setting for GPS in maemo settings which tries to implement that via normal internet connectivity | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the rare cases where you got no carrier connection at all or a carrier that does NOT support the transparent method, but still yur device is able to access internet, e.g via WLAN | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course a BTS based 'supl' function is waaay easier and better, as the BTS knows where you are, and just needs to tell your GPS chipset a few mostly static data | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: my N900 GPS usually gets a fix in <10s, when SIM inserted. Even indoors | 15:30 |
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| arvut | g'aftern00n #maemo | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no sybian device here, so I have to ask: on e.g. a N97, can you even boot the phone and esp can you enable GPS, without SIM inserted? | 15:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: sybian, eh | 15:37 |
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| * GeneralAntilles cackles http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8481330/Alarm-over-EU-Great-Firewall-proposal.html | 15:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin hungarians | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first hey changed their own country to a proto-dictatorship, now they immediately after that try to expand that shit to whole europe | 15:44 |
| chem|st | going nuts again | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's unbearable Hungary has president seat of EU while they abolish freedom of speech and democracy at large in their own country | 15:46 |
| chem|st | "there'll be dragons" | 15:46 |
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| billmania | DocScrutinizer: chem|st: To help me understand your backgrounds, in which countries are you? I'm in the US. | 15:48 |
| billmania | And good morning. | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly I think if they'd apply right now, Hungary had less chances to become member of EU than Turkey | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | billmania: I have an ambivalent relation to Germany | 15:49 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: Some of my good friends are German. :-D | 15:49 |
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| Echo- | MohammadAG I'm stuck in multiboot...can you help me? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes | 15:55 |
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| Echo- | I reflashed my device and installed multiboot but I forgot to install the item files | 15:55 |
| Echo- | and pressing 0 gives me an error | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're screwed. I guess it's bootlooping now | 15:56 |
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| jacekowski | reflash | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and do it fast, as long as your battery is sufficiently charged | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then better stay away from multiboot | 15:58 |
| Echo- | I can reload battery that isn't the problem | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | how? | 15:58 |
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| Echo- | charger keeps blinking | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok then | 15:58 |
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| Echo- | stupid thing is I see the loading dots and then it goes away :< | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and charger keeps blinking nevertheless, the yellow LED? | 15:59 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably not starting bme | 16:01 |
| jacekowski | so charging started by nolo isn't terminated | 16:01 |
| Echo- | fixed it I think | 16:04 |
| Echo- | jep | 16:04 |
| Echo- | got it fixed | 16:04 |
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| Echo- | downloadI downloaded the firmware .bin | 16:05 |
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| Echo- | then did flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R | 16:05 |
| Echo- | and 0 worked again | 16:05 |
| Echo- | and I think only the date got lost | 16:06 |
| Echo- | yep only date got lost :) | 16:06 |
| Echo- | MohammadAG I got it fixed so nvm my highlight | 16:06 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's hardly surprising. I still can't believe you guys gave up that much power to the EU. | 16:07 |
| Echo- | wat | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I have a hard time as well to appreciate all the aspects of EU, though I once been in sympathy with the basic idea | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's much like the united states of Europe, but obviously poorly designed | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could as well argue there's way too much power left with the particular country's gvmt | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | imagine each of the 52(?) states of US had their own military and foreign affairs department | 16:14 |
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| alonlevy | are there newer gtk and glib packages available for maemo5? specifically I need 2.22 glib and 2.18 gtk+ | 16:15 |
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| pupnik | bin laden dead: does that mean obama will stop killing pakistanis? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/02/135905185/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-officials-say | 16:25 |
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| arvut | pupnik: atleast they claim he is.. has any pictures of his corpse been revealed? | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone know if mbarcode can be made to simply save a list of scanned codes? | 16:32 |
| arvut | they say navy seals shot him and "burried him in the sea". why would they do that if not to mislead a possible capture? | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, maybe the TSA will stop molesting children? | 16:32 |
| pupnik | yeah | 16:32 |
| pupnik | cool! we can stop doing all that stupid stuff! | 16:33 |
| Veggen | arvut: well. they might not create a holy place for muslim terrorists to gather? | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | Much like that birth certificate idiocy, this is just another headline to distract from real issues. | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | Like out-of-control, Constitution-shredding government. | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: But Osama was in fact French! | 16:34 |
| arvut | Veggen: true. but why not atleast show some evidence? a bloodbath in a mansion isnt really proof. | 16:34 |
| Veggen | mmm, yah. Guess we'll see in the coming days. | 16:34 |
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| GAN900 | arvut, think they've got DNA. | 16:34 |
| Corsac | Veggen: if you make a holy place for terrorists to gather you can arrest them directly! | 16:35 |
| Veggen | they claim they have, at least. | 16:35 |
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| arvut | for all we know it could have been a raid to capture him and in order to do so, kill every one else. leaving no witness | 16:35 |
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| GAN900 | arvut, I'd assume they were probably shooting back. | 16:35 |
| arvut | GAN900: words are still words ;) | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | You usually tend to die when you do that to US soldiers. | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | The key thing is - does he have a Casio watch of mass destruction. | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | arvut, same goes for you. ;) | 16:36 |
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| GAN900 | Either way, who really cares? | 16:36 |
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| GAN900 | There are clearly more important issues on the board. | 16:36 |
| arvut | indeed, I'm only speculating if this is what it seems | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - will the meego phone be released. | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | n950 | 16:37 |
| pupnik | i'd like to know whether it will have keyboard or not | 16:37 |
| arvut | lol yeah, I'm mostly suprised over the fact that ppl all over the world trust the media to such degree that they celebrate the 'death' of this guy | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, no. | 16:38 |
| pupnik | or trust the pentagon, whom they're quoting | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | arvut: You think the media is inaccurately reporting Obamas statement? | 16:38 |
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| GAN900 | arvut, there are far more unsettling examples of that trust demonstrated every day. | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | That's kinda extreme. | 16:38 |
| arvut | SpeedEvil: I think its worth questioning. the media in general is a great tool to manipulate the masses | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | arvut: thing is that people that invaded iraq are not better than terrorists ( and that's assuming that terrorists were from iraq ) | 16:39 |
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| arvut | jacekowski: yeah, I'm rather neutral to the whole terrorist war thing. | 16:40 |
| arvut | I do like to question everything tho. | 16:40 |
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| jacekowski | i'm really surprised that there was no bombs exploding in england and france and wherever because of libya invasion | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, who with a brain gives a F*? | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | you would expect them to fight back using everything they can | 16:41 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, yes, normal every day people doing their jobs are terrorists. | 16:41 |
| GAN900 | Please GTFO with your moral relativism. | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: Gaddafi wasn't exactly a friend of Al Qaida I guess | 16:42 |
| arvut | GAN900: calm down now. no need to be rude. | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, the average grunt isn't spending his time hiding behind civilians. :) | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | arvut, tell that to jacekowski. :) | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: no i meant, if somebody would invade my country i would try to defend it using whatever means i have | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's invading Libya? | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | france | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | and england | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | and couple other countries | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | invasion of Iraq was BS | 16:43 |
| GAN900 | USA: World Police | 16:44 |
| * GAN900 doesn't know how we fell into that trap. | 16:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hybris | 16:44 |
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| GAN900 | George Washington warned against that idiocy 200 years ago. | 16:44 |
| arvut | GAN900: using acronyms like that one isn't actually polite tho ;) | 16:45 |
| GAN900 | "Oh, you folks want to kill each other over there? Well, have fun with that." | 16:45 |
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| Corsac | jacekowski: not sure you really can compare irak and libya | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | i'm surprised that usa didn't bother to plant some fake biological weapons in iraq just for good PR | 16:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer is calling for chanops | 16:46 | |
| jacekowski | they just admited that there was nothing there and whole invasion was pointless | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | and everybody accepted it like that | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that moron Bush even made jokes about it in his crappy oval office video | 16:47 |
| RST38h | GAN: BTW, have you got obligatory lulz from noticing how they "took Bin Laden's body to Afghanistan and gave it a proper Islamic burial in the sea"? =) | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, they didn't need to. | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, dunno why they bothered with any of that nonsense. | 16:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: To give us all lulz of course. Check out .AF on the Googlemaps, you will see what I mean | 16:48 |
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| arvut | jacekowski: its all about the money ;) | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: after that other moron lieing to the world about US intelligence findings about those lorries with chemical weapon labs, there's nothing more left over to do for good PR :-P | 16:49 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, yeah. :P | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | arvut: but when you attack other country saying that there is nuclear/biological/chemical/whatever weapon and then couple years later you announce that there was nothing there | 16:50 |
| ruskie | when did this become ##politics? | 16:50 |
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| jacekowski | arvut: and nobody has a problem with USA destroying a country | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, when Maemo died. | 16:50 |
| ruskie | yay | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ack | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GENERAL NOTICE: users complained about off-topic | 16:51 |
| Corsac | RST38h: who said the body was taken to .af? | 16:51 |
| Corsac | yeah, sorry | 16:51 |
| RST38h | GAN: Personally, if I were Obama or Gates, I would much prefer to have Osama mounted and placed somewhere in a Pentagon corridor | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | general policy: nothing is off-topic until a single complaint is uttered | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Doc: I would like to complain about ruskie being offtopic by asking when it has become politics | 16:53 |
| arvut | jacekowski: you know that's not true. | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please everybody take it to #politics or wherever you like now | 16:53 |
| cityLights | btw, reading the logs I see it is common for one person to ask about a certain subject then a different person asking here regarding the same subject | 16:58 |
| cityLights | which mean I need to read this more | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: yeah, searching chanlogs prior to asking is a recommended best practice | 16:59 |
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| cityLights | not to stire up more politics, but will another maemo device will ever be sold? | 17:02 |
| cityLights | according to yesterday , nokia has moved to WP7 and some maemo stuff was joined to meego | 17:03 |
| cityLights | I read some meego wiki pages | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Here, Doc, you have killed all the conversation. | 17:05 |
| GAN900 | cityLights, old news. | 17:05 |
| cityLights | sorry | 17:05 |
| GAN900 | cityLights, MeeGo is effectively dead at Nokia, possibly one more device coming. Likely with little to no support. | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | GAN: A Harmattan device, not a Meego one. | 17:06 |
| cityLights | ok, so I still need to save up for a new device | 17:06 |
| cityLights | did all of the meamo code go in to the meego team? | 17:07 |
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| GAN900 | Most of it went in the trash. | 17:07 |
| cityLights | or did they SAW maemo and still used the stuff they had | 17:07 |
| cityLights | this what I thought | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo is 95% Moblin. | 17:07 |
| cityLights | at least according to the wiki | 17:08 |
| cityLights | right | 17:08 |
| cityLights | and I guess that Moblin eats more cpu - so intel can keep selling atoms | 17:08 |
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| cityLights | so I am now writing code for an os with no future | 17:08 |
| cityLights | ok | 17:09 |
| pupnik | duh | 17:09 |
| pupnik | any foss OS has more future than any non-free one | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: shall I auto-forward every one to #politics? ;-D | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or better yet: change /topic and auto-forward those complaining to #real-maemo | 17:10 |
| cityLights | no I will behave now | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: you're perfectly on topic. No problems :-) | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Doc: Dunno, I would say you should probably be less formal in offtopic detection and removal | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Doc: Or we won't have much to talk about:) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I act most formally when complaints come in. NB I've been actively participating in that rather OT debate | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's in fact no other unbiased way to handle that issue | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Doc: Ah,not laying any blame, just making a sad statistical observation about the overall chat traffic :) | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | appreciated | 17:15 |
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| pupnik | i'm being a bit lame sorry | 17:17 |
| pupnik | how many mA current draw should an online game take max :) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as few as possible | 17:18 |
| pupnik | pcsx takes about 220mA (without backlight) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not too bad | 17:18 |
| pupnik | with backlight 330 in my kitchen | 17:18 |
| Echo- | btw you guys remember how to autoload oc on startup? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's put it that way: if the batery is empty before you managed to save a new level, then your users probably won'tlike that | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Echo-: yes, but we won't tell, as OCing is a much deprecated and discourraged topic and thing to do here | 17:20 |
| Echo- | I have used Oc since the beginning | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the few ones that really understand the implications of OC won't ask that question | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 17:21 |
| infobot | from memory, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 17:21 |
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| Echo- | DocScrutinizer I remember how to do it | 17:26 |
| Echo- | I remember now | 17:26 |
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| arvut | how would I clear the browsing history in the maemo browser? | 17:37 |
| arvut | on a n900 that is | 17:37 |
| pupnik | should be able to tell browser 'clear browsing history' | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Laamane: | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 17:38 |
| pupnik | aahahahahaha | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | !seen lardman | 17:39 |
| arvut | pupnik: in the terminal? I can't seem to find the option to do it when I start it | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ~see lardman | 17:39 |
| * infobot whispers to lardman "You didn't see anything...." | 17:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | ~seen lardman | 17:39 |
| pupnik | arvut: i wwas thinking that the software hsould be voice-driven as an option | 17:39 |
| infobot | lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 23h 13m 8s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'. | 17:39 |
| pupnik | arvut: can i help you use google? :) | 17:40 |
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| arvut | pupnik, sure go ahead google 4 me ;P | 17:49 |
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| * GAN900 notes this site is completely unreadable on a mobile device: http://www.andrewnormanwilson.com/portfolios/70411-workers-leaving-the-googleplex | 17:53 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: Fun, absolute fun | 17:59 |
| pupnik | heh | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ping | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, ? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: how's about adding a date range for search on irclogs | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0 matches in 1646 log files with 4059388 lines (59.6 seconds). | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | great idea! | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | just send me a patch :) | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I know I'm interested only in last 6 months | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | yeah, limiting searches to last N days by default was on my to-do list for a long time... | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | just have a numeric textinput with a default, that can get overridden by user | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: omap-oc also is and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 18:08 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, DocScrutinizer | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: omap-oc is also and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 18:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 18:08 |
| infobot | omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, but ... meh | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyione point me to a web service that I can call with http://what.ever/whatever/%s - and it will log the %s's? | 18:10 |
| dangergrrl | what player engines do we have accel on? | 18:10 |
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| dangergrrl | i saw a threaid that said not vlc but miro is gstreamer based | 18:13 |
| dangergrrl | i'm about to be on the road and my video subs would be very nice to have on n900 | 18:13 |
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| joppu | vlc is horrendous | 18:16 |
| joppu | miro is based on vlc | 18:16 |
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| joppu | gstreamer is the only player with hardware acceleration afaik | 18:16 |
| joppu | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mafw-gst-subtitles-applet/ | 18:17 |
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| mece | is gstreamer a "player" in the same sense vlc is? | 18:18 |
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| joppu | gstreamer = nokia stock player | 18:19 |
| joppu | it's the backend or whatever | 18:19 |
| joppu | just like libvlc is the backend of vlc | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Some gstreamer formats are hardware accellerated | 18:20 |
| joppu | (ok, it's not comparable) | 18:20 |
| joppu | yeah, up to basic profiles of h.264 | 18:20 |
| dangergrrl | i actually can code if needed at least i should be able to port something, that's relatively easy; with miro the big issue would be the ram consumed while torrenting | 18:22 |
| cityLights | in regard to gobject.timeout_add i need another kind of help | 18:22 |
| dangergrrl | and i just now ran miro on a console and it is actually gstreamer based that's why i asked | 18:22 |
| dangergrrl | afaik gstreamer is just a library like libvlc | 18:23 |
| cityLights | my problem is: I need to use timeout_add twise | 18:23 |
| cityLights | s/twise/twice/ | 18:23 |
| infobot | cityLights meant: my problem is: I need to use timeout_add twice | 18:23 |
| dangergrrl | and it only keeps one? | 18:23 |
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| cityLights | right - it goes nuts | 18:23 |
| dangergrrl | utsl? | 18:24 |
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| cityLights | my main loop is query wheh the next meeting is on and waking up to it | 18:24 |
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| cityLights | but then I must return False to kill that timer | 18:24 |
| cityLights | and I want to call it again with a diffrent duration | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | man gst-launch | 18:25 |
| dangergrrl | in fact i think utsl is apropriate | 18:25 |
| dangergrrl | use the source, luke | 18:25 |
| cityLights | ~google utsl | 18:26 |
| cityLights | what is utsl? | 18:26 |
| dangergrrl | read the library source | 18:27 |
| dangergrrl | it is "use the source luke" | 18:27 |
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| dangergrrl | ancient refrain from comp.unix.wizards; almost as common as rtfm | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | apropos gstreamer | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~utsl | 18:28 |
| infobot | rumour has it, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. | 18:28 |
| cityLights | dangergrrl: please help me with a URL its hard for me to find the right source | 18:28 |
| dangergrrl | this is gtk? | 18:28 |
| cityLights | git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject ? | 18:29 |
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| dangergrrl | gtk source last i read it wasn't that difficult | 18:29 |
| timeless_webchat | sp3000: ping | 18:29 |
| cityLights | I use gobject in python | 18:29 |
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| dangergrrl | so it's gobject.timeout_add? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ola' timeless_webchat | 18:31 |
| cityLights | I am at http://git.gnome.org/browse/ and dont know what to look at | 18:31 |
| timeless_webchat | heya | 18:31 |
| dangergrrl | i don't know python syntax :) so i know i will hate it if i look at miro source :) | 18:31 |
| dangergrrl | try google with that as site: and the syntax for the function definition in python | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: python syntax is made to be easy | 18:32 |
| dangergrrl | whitespace sensitivity is all i have heard | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:32 |
| dangergrrl | which is noneasy | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | your code HAS to be pretty ;-P | 18:32 |
| * timeless_webchat wouldn't go that far... | 18:32 | |
| dangergrrl | i don't my code to break if i edit it with vi in a hurry and hit tab | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, I hate it as well | 18:33 |
| dangergrrl | emacs wouldn't break it | 18:33 |
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| timeless_webchat | dangergrrl: that's why you should have precommit checks to ensure your code compiles... | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | compiled python ? :-P | 18:33 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow you know the syntax for the function definition cityLights is looking for? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 18:34 |
| dangergrrl | should be able to read the code and see why it only is taking one timeout | 18:35 |
| dangergrrl | but fixing it could involve the signal handler having to schedule the next timeout after the first elapses | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, a timer object oneshot won't magically convert to a ticking one | 18:37 |
| dangergrrl | i think the posix sleep signal timer is oneshot | 18:37 |
| dangergrrl | that's not a python or library problem, per se it is just part of *nix | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | why don't you use simple python sleep or some other more generic python timer thing | 18:38 |
| pupnik | somebody else needs to do this game event loop | 18:38 |
| pupnik | i can't make it go 4 ticks a second, except also go when i press a key | 18:38 |
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| dangergrrl | it's 50F on may 2 in texas, wierd | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, that's low? | 18:39 |
| dangergrrl | anyhow i know i can get democracy now on the road, they have torrents on their www daily | 18:39 |
| dangergrrl | yes, it was 90f a few days ago | 18:40 |
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| dangergrrl | texas is not supposed to require a jacket in may except on a motorcycle | 18:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders whether to walk to bathroom where the F/C alcohol thermometer hangs, or rather google-convert, or simply ignore the issue | 18:41 | |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I'm currently sitting at around 86°F right now. :P | 18:41 |
| dangergrrl | but i like hak5 and some other shows i get on miro and i don't know all their www sites | 18:41 |
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| dangergrrl | 37.6 is 100f i think | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | So, 50 is around 9-11? | 18:42 |
| dangergrrl | i'm sorry i'm a damned american using imperial units :( | 18:42 |
| dangergrrl | 10 | 18:43 |
| dangergrrl | that's cold for the subtropics | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | dangergrrl, take pride in befulding those silly Europeans. :P | 18:43 |
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| dangergrrl | i'm just glad we got the scapegoat for 9/11 | 18:44 |
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| dangergrrl | maybe the us can stop the drone attacks now | 18:45 |
| GAN900 | Or stop the TSA molesting kids at the airport | 18:45 |
| GAN900 | and open up the borders. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 50F to C | 18:46 |
| infobot | 50F cannot be converted to C: conformability error | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 50W to J/s | 18:46 |
| infobot | 50W is approximately 50 J/s | 18:46 |
| GAN900 | ~convert 50 fahrenheit to celcius | 18:47 |
| infobot | 50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit' | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | ~convert 50f to celcius | 18:47 |
| infobot | 50f cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'celcius' | 18:47 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: its about 10 :P | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | ~convert 50f to k | 18:47 |
| infobot | 50f cannot be converted to k: conformability error | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | Useless plugin | 18:48 |
| Robot101 | probably thinks its farads | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ Robot101 | 18:48 |
| RST38h | ~convert 50 fahrenheit to celsius | 18:49 |
| infobot | 50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit' | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | ~convert 50f to celsius | 18:49 |
| infobot | 50f cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'celsius' | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | been there done that | 18:49 |
| dangergrrl | are farads conformant to joules per4 second? | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+help convert | 18:50 |
| infobot | Desc: Convert from one unit to another | 18:50 |
| infobot | Usage: convert [number] <units> to <units> | 18:50 |
| infobot | Example: convert 55 degF to degC | 18:50 |
| infobot | Example: convert 60 mph to kph | 18:50 |
| infobot | Example: convert 60 miles per hour to km/hour | 18:50 |
| infobot | Example: convert gallons to cm^3 | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:50 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 55 degF to degC | 18:50 |
| infobot | 55 degF is approximately 30.5556 degC | 18:50 |
| RST38h | mghm | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn WUT?? | 18:50 |
| dangergrrl | ~convert 90 degF to degC | 18:50 |
| infobot | 90 degF is approximately 50 degC | 18:50 |
| dangergrrl | no way | 18:50 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | haha | 18:51 |
| GAN900 | ~convert 32 degF to degC | 18:51 |
| infobot | 32 degF is approximately 17.7778 degC | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | FAIL | 18:51 |
| GAN900 | Nice. | 18:51 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 18:51 |
| dangergrrl | ~convert -40 degF to degC | 18:51 |
| infobot | -40 degF cannot be converted to degC: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit'] | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 18:52 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 18:52 | |
| dangergrrl | -40 is -40 on both F and C | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~-40*5 | 18:52 |
| infobot | -200 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert -50W to J7s | 18:53 |
| infobot | -50W cannot be converted to J7s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit'] | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert -50W to J/s | 18:53 |
| infobot | -50W cannot be converted to J/s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit'] | 18:53 |
| dangergrrl | ~-200/9 | 18:53 |
| infobot | -22.222222222222 | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 50W to J/s | 18:53 |
| infobot | 50W is approximately 50 J/s | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~die | 18:53 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 18:53 | |
| dangergrrl | ~g -40 f to c | 18:54 |
| RST38h | ~convert 0N to grams | 18:54 |
| infobot | 0N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error | 18:54 |
| dangergrrl | oh well | 18:54 |
| RST38h | ~convert 1N to grams | 18:54 |
| infobot | 1N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error | 18:54 |
| RST38h | sneaky | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~die ~convert 1N to p | 18:54 |
| * infobot murders ~convert 1N to p, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... | 18:54 | |
| dangergrrl | newtons really are nonconformant to grams | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 1N to p | 18:55 |
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| infobot | 1N cannot be converted to p: conformability error | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 1N to Pond | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1N cannot be converted to Pond: Unknown unit 'Pond' | 18:55 |
| RST38h | ~convert 1 newton to pound | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1 newton cannot be converted to pound: conformability error | 18:55 |
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| jacekowski | ~convert 1N to Pound | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1N cannot be converted to Pound: Unknown unit 'Pound' | 18:55 |
| jacekowski | ~convert 1N to lbf | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1N is approximately 0.224809 lbf | 18:55 |
| Corsac | ~convert 1angstrom to lightyear | 18:55 |
| dangergrrl | ~convert 1 newton to poundsforce | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1angstrom is approximately 1.057e-26 lightyear | 18:55 |
| infobot | 1 newton cannot be converted to poundsforce: Unknown unit 'poundsforce' | 18:55 |
| RST38h | ~convert 0hz to meters | 18:56 |
| infobot | 0hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error | 18:56 |
| RST38h | ~convert 45 ghz to millimeters | 18:56 |
| infobot | 45 ghz cannot be converted to millimeters: Unknown unit 'ghz' | 18:56 |
| RST38h | ~convert 45000 hz to meters | 18:56 |
| infobot | 45000 hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that makes no sense | 18:56 |
| kahless | ^^ | 18:56 |
| dangergrrl | i know what he is asking | 18:57 |
| RST38h | stupid bot, can't evenbe crashed properly | 18:57 |
| dangergrrl | he is asking wrong | 18:57 |
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| Jartza | yeah. he wants to know the wavelength | 18:57 |
| dangergrrl | units can convert hz to wavelength if you give it the right input i think | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Doc: makes perfect sense. choose a conversion that involves k/x then give the dummy x==0 | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | you need velocity as well | 18:57 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: no. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | c | 18:58 |
| RST38h | c is implied | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | which one? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | in vacuum, in water? | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: why it is? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | ~convert 45000 hz to wavelength | 18:58 |
| Corsac | there's only one C | 18:58 |
| infobot | 45000 hz cannot be converted to wavelength: Unknown unit 'wavelength' | 18:58 |
| RST38h | vacuum | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: it may be sound wavelenght | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: not electromagnetic wavelenght | 18:58 |
| RST38h | jacek: it may be, but not implied | 18:58 |
| dangergrrl | to humans C is implied | 18:59 |
| RST38h | small c | 18:59 |
| RST38h | big C stands for different things | 18:59 |
| Corsac | yes, sorry | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge | 18:59 |
| dangergrrl | it's 3esomething | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka Coulomb | 18:59 |
| dangergrrl | 186000miles/hour | 19:00 |
| RST38h | 3e8 m/s | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 0 degC to degF | 19:00 |
| infobot | 0 degC is approximately 0 degF | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 19:00 |
| dangergrrl | second | 19:00 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 19:00 |
| Jartza | what | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 1 degC to degF | 19:01 |
| infobot | 1 degC is approximately 1.8 degF | 19:01 |
| RST38h | stupid, stupid bot. have to teach it BSD fortune cooke database instead | 19:01 |
| dangergrrl | it's off by 32 there | 19:01 |
| RST38h | ~fortune | 19:01 |
| infobot | from memory, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess Tim will be interested... | 19:02 |
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| dangergrrl | i need food | 19:03 |
| chem|st | dangergrrl: go hunting! | 19:04 |
| dangergrrl | blue valkyrie needs food badly | 19:04 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 19:04 |
| dangergrrl | will sinistar run on n900? | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | prolly | 19:07 |
| RST38h | using MAME or something | 19:07 |
| dangergrrl | i hate the game but love the sound | 19:09 |
| dangergrrl | it's too hard | 19:09 |
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| dangergrrl | don't shoot the food! | 19:09 |
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| Wisso | hello | 19:14 |
| Wisso | i need help!!! | 19:14 |
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| Wisso | guys? | 19:14 |
| Wisso | anyone around | 19:14 |
| Sicelo_ | of course :P | 19:15 |
| Wisso | my n900 died | 19:16 |
| Wisso | cant flash it | 19:16 |
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| Wisso | and cant find the hw id to cold flash it | 19:16 |
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| Tronic | Wisso: Battery charged? | 19:18 |
| Sicelo_ | 19:17 < Wisso> cant flash it | 19:18 |
| Wisso | battery fully charged on another n900 | 19:19 |
| Sicelo_ | what error is returned when you try to? | 19:19 |
| Tronic | Sicelo_: Install ntpd. | 19:19 |
| Wisso | when i connect the usb cable to makes a sound that its connected then another sound that its disconnected | 19:19 |
| Sicelo_ | Tronic: ? | 19:19 |
| Tronic | Sicelo_: Your RTC is roughly one minute off. | 19:19 |
| Wisso | the flasher keeps waiting | 19:20 |
| Sicelo_ | thanks Tronic :P | 19:20 |
| Sicelo_ | hmm, now i remember, i'm connected from a remote shell | 19:21 |
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| Wisso | i did flash n900s many times b4 but this time its different i dont c anything on screen | 19:22 |
| visz | there seems to be quite a few spotify clients for the n900. any recommendations? | 19:22 |
| Tronic | Wisso: Possibly broken USB connector? | 19:22 |
| Wisso | it works perfectly on the other n900 | 19:22 |
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| Tronic | Wisso: This is a common problem with N900 (the connector is a SMD part that detaches from the circuit board) and often it can be partially broken before detaching entirely. | 19:23 |
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| Wisso | Tronic: this doesnt mean that the phone screen doesnt show anything when i press U connect the usb cable and put on the battery... i dont c the usb icon or the nokia logo | 19:24 |
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| cityLights | dangergrrl: I think its my own problem | 19:24 |
| Wisso | nothing | 19:24 |
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| cityLights | I need to design it to close one loop before taking another sleep | 19:24 |
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| Wisso | i want to cold flash it but cant find the hw id anywhere | 19:25 |
| Wisso | it just says Type:RX-51 made in korea...IMEI...code..FCC ID and IC | 19:26 |
| Wisso | no hw id | 19:26 |
| dangergrrl | cityLights: sleep is oneshot you need at least a linked list in the wakeup to start the next one | 19:27 |
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| dangergrrl | Wisso: the imei is what you need for the nokia firmware download site iirc | 19:28 |
| cityLights | correct | 19:28 |
| cityLights | let me describe my issue | 19:29 |
| Wisso | dangergrrl: i know that, i have the latest bin file | 19:29 |
| Wisso | i need the hw id | 19:29 |
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| cityLights | I want to sleep acroding to a duration a calculate | 19:29 |
| cityLights | but if I get a dbus signal I want to react then reset the sleep | 19:29 |
| cityLights | shouldnt I use the gobject.timeout_add? | 19:30 |
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| Wisso | no one can help? :s | 19:39 |
| dangergrrl | i have no clue; i needed the imei to get the bin file and needed no hw id for flasher | 19:41 |
| Sicelo_ | perhaps u need to explain what u need the hw id for :/ | 19:42 |
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| Wisso | to cold flash the phone | 19:42 |
| Sicelo_ | ~flashing | 19:43 |
| Sicelo_ | :/ | 19:43 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:43 |
| Sicelo_ | ~coldflash | 19:43 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 19:43 |
| Wisso | i memorized that page | 19:43 |
| pupnik | "We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops" - Obama... wtf? | 19:44 |
| Sicelo_ | and have scoured the logs Wisso ? | 19:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: no big deal, just automatic excuse generator getting looped | 19:45 |
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| Wisso | reading the logs now | 19:45 |
| Sicelo_ | :) | 19:45 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i guess the art of the 'debate' is to present that argument in seperate sentences, so people who read the first part don't remember it by the time they got to the second part? | 19:46 |
| Wisso | sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 <<=-- where do i find the hw id thats what im looking for | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: it is not a debate | 19:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: "debate" assumes that there is more than one side and each side has a voice. | 19:47 |
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| pupnik | sigh | 19:47 |
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| Wisso | johnx felbutss, at any point in the past, have you walked under a ladder, crossed the path of a black cat or perhaps been cursed or hexed in any way? | 20:02 |
| Wisso | thats the solution i found in the logs | 20:02 |
| Wisso | :\ | 20:03 |
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| Sicelo_ | good... afaik all those are just superstitions :P | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: what makes you think you need to coldflash the N900? that's no standard procedure and quite usually not needed | 20:05 |
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| Wisso | DocScrutinizer when using the standard procedures the phone shows nothing on screen no usb logo no nokia logo nothing at all | 20:06 |
| Wisso | and the flasher keeps waiting | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, valid point | 20:07 |
| Wisso | now i tried the cold flashing worked with errors | 20:07 |
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| Wisso | Using serial port usb | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | please check your syslog on PC, about what USB devices appear there when you plug in powered-down N900 | 20:07 |
| Wisso | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 20:07 |
| Wisso | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 | 20:07 |
| Wisso | 106. | 20:07 |
| Wisso | Waiting for ASIC id... | 20:07 |
| Wisso | Got 69 bytes. | 20:07 |
| Wisso | ASIC ID: | 20:07 |
| Wisso | 05 01 05 01 34 30 07 57 13 02 01 00 12 15 01 1b | 20:07 |
| Wisso | 4f 8e 27 45 5c 1b a5 df e5 5a af 24 51 31 e1 07 | 20:07 |
| Wisso | 3f f5 75 14 15 01 87 3b 4d cd ca f5 44 4d 24 ec | 20:07 |
| Wisso | b2 ac 95 53 88 41 4f ab cd 66 15 09 01 f7 48 8f | 20:07 |
| Wisso | 28 a0 27 e5 b3 | 20:07 |
| Wisso | Sending 2nd image (zu bytes)... done. | 20:07 |
| Wisso | Sending ping... usb_bulk_read: No error | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Why are you posting this here? | 20:08 |
| Wisso | sorry | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | pasting limited to 3 lines | 20:08 |
| Wisso | had no clue | 20:08 |
| Wisso | im lost guys i really need help :( | 20:08 |
| Wisso | really sorry | 20:08 |
| Arkenoi | damn my n900 went crazy | 20:08 |
| Arkenoi | it asks me which internet connection to use | 20:08 |
| Arkenoi | serveral times | 20:08 |
| dangergrrl | thry do that | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Probably failing to connect | 20:09 |
| dangergrrl | they | 20:09 |
| Arkenoi | and if i give no attention to it, it asks me that many times according to time passed | 20:09 |
| Arkenoi | so i have to tap the screen until it goes away | 20:09 |
| Arkenoi | MANY times | 20:09 |
| dangergrrl | something failed to connect and it tries many times and queue's the requests | 20:09 |
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| dangergrrl | it's annoying :) | 20:10 |
| Arkenoi | why the fsck does it keep stacking unsatisfied requests? | 20:10 |
| Arkenoi | plain stupid | 20:10 |
| Arkenoi | reminds me of firefox modal dialog | 20:10 |
| Arkenoi | the most sucking and user-phobic software ever seen | 20:10 |
| dangergrrl | i haven't looked but someone said that's nonfixable (ie non open) code | 20:10 |
| dangergrrl | if you ssh in and kill the process it stops all of them | 20:11 |
| dangergrrl | hth | 20:11 |
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| dangergrrl | of course you probably have not started sshd | 20:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Random - is anyone aware of any more polished iris recognition code thanhttp://projectiris.co.uk/ | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally I'd like something suitable for dropping into a PC staring at a camera, and unlocs the door whenever it sees the right iris. | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | (or left iris) | 20:19 |
| RST38h | is 1/50 miss probability ok? | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | If you mean a false negatrive rate - yes | 20:20 |
| RST38h | false positive | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | What code do you refer to? | 20:20 |
| RST38h | afaik, it refers to irises (irii?) themselves | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | No way. | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | irides | 20:21 |
| RST38h | a moment, let me check | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | The Iris is actually stupidly unique. | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | If you do it right - and treat it like a 2d barcode | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | no, can't find that source :( | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: please check your PC's syslog for entries like http://paste.debian.net/115783/ | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I have - somewhere the paper I got from the author of the technique, way back in the day. | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ~1994? | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: showing up the very moment you plug in a powered down N900 | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom (for coldflash); Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) == NOLO loaded successfully (no need to flash it via coldflash); Product: N900 (Storage Mode) == linux system aka maemo5 booted and your system entering mass storage mode | 20:27 |
| kerio | the last one could be pc-suite mode too | 20:29 |
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| Wisso | its showing nothing | 20:32 |
| Wisso | windows makes a sound that usb is connected | 20:32 |
| Wisso | then makes a sound that a usb is disconnected | 20:33 |
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| Sicelo_ | :O | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Wisso: Hav eyou tried swapping the cable? | 20:33 |
| Wisso | i tried the cable on another phone | 20:33 |
| Wisso | the product id is the hw id? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: when there's *nothing* then you got a real problem | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or doing sth wrong on watching your syslog | 20:36 |
| Wisso | where do i find the syslog under windows :o | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: the >>Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom<< always has to show up | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and sorry, I dunno nuttin about windows, for such ambitious things like coldflashing you should use a linux box anyway | 20:37 |
| Sicelo_ | that's what the logs say too :/ | 20:38 |
| Wisso | oh dear | 20:38 |
| Wisso | :( | 20:38 |
| Wisso | ok now i removed ovi and all cable drivers..etc | 20:39 |
| Wisso | the rom is found | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, what did you do to get the device in that state? what are the exact sympthoms? are you sure you nuked your NOLO so you need to coldflash? Much more likely is a hw defect, for all usual cases, as nuling NOLO isn't exactly sth that happens every day to lots of users | 20:40 |
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| Wisso | i did nothing | 20:41 |
| Wisso | the battery died | 20:41 |
| Wisso | and since 2 days iv been trying to revive it | 20:42 |
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| Wisso | i took a phone of my friend to recharge the bat | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like your USB receptacle is broken | 20:42 |
| Wisso | put in the bat and it refused to turn on | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 20:43 |
| Wisso | nothing at all on screen | 20:43 |
| Wisso | tried to flash it, it wouldnt show the nokia logo or the anything | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happens when you plug the charger to the powered down device? | 20:43 |
| Wisso | the led is solid orange | 20:44 |
| Wisso | not flashing | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's low battery | 20:44 |
| Wisso | no way its fully charged | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's definitely battery voltage below boot threshold, so emergency hw based charging kicked in | 20:45 |
| Wisso | hmm let me try again | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should change to booting the device after some minutes | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | won't help - you need to leave it charging | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 20:46 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 20:46 |
| Wisso | ok something changed when i recharged it | 20:46 |
| Wisso | now when i plug the charger the led dont lite up | 20:47 |
| Wisso | when i remove the bat it lite up solid orange | 20:47 |
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| Wisso | guys | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wisso: first of all: get a KNOWN GOOD FULLY CHARGED battery | 20:49 |
| Wisso | all i need to know is how to find the hw id, if it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight | 20:50 |
| Wisso | :( | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever your problem is, you git another one by your flat battery now, so diagnosing it is impossible | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and flashing as well is impossible with flat battery | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might even have destroyed the bootloader by your attemt to fix a non existing problem by coldflashing | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can recover from all that (modulo hw defects like broken USB) but first of all you need a proper *battery* to start with | 20:53 |
| Wisso | its not the battery for christ sake | 20:53 |
| Wisso | i tested it on the other phone | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then you're on your own | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously you're more competent than me | 20:53 |
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| Sicelo_ | :/ omg | 20:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if there are other ways than a) reading out cat /proc/cpuinfo b) disassembling device and look at mobo c) access internal Nokia device db with ser#, to get the hw revision aka id | 21:19 | |
| Arkenoi | oh shi.. | 21:19 |
| Arkenoi | it keeps asking! | 21:19 |
| Arkenoi | "disconnect or change connection" | 21:19 |
| Arkenoi | it enters this mode for no apparent reason | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ICD2 fsckd up? | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw maybe wisso had some point in that a broken NOLO also could cause steady amber LED. But then otoh I don't feel like messing around with coldflashing unless prior check of what the device actually says in PC syslog, so you at least have a marginal clue what's really going on | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, he's gone so nevermind | 21:22 |
| Sicelo_ | ~otoh | 21:23 |
| infobot | methinks otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. | 21:23 |
| Sicelo_ | ~yafa | 21:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, yafa is Yet Another Freakin Acronym. | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never heard of NOLO going pooof by somebody "did nothing" | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and when sb is telling me "f it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight" and "its not the battery for christ sake" I tend to spend my time with somebody else asking better questions, like "how can I make sure the battery is ok?" | 21:26 |
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| kerio | why does the other kind of flashing exist? | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | coldflashing? | 21:29 |
| kerio | no, hotflashing | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | coldflashing is for flashing a new NOLO only | 21:30 |
| kerio | ooh | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | in case you really managed to nuke it | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is rather unlikely | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and hotflashing is to flash rootfs etc and can be done via NOLO (only?) | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hotflashing == normal flashing of fiasco img | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's nolo that detects the held u-key and displays the USB icon on NOKIA screen | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first thing that NOLO does when loading is to kick the vibra and display the NOKIA without backlight | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | then enum to USB afaik | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then check for u key | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh I forgot, first of all NOLO checks battery voltage and decides if further charging is needed | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if so, you can't even enter flashing mode | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why you NEED a completely charged battery for flashing | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | as NOLO will try to enter linux/maemo in act_dead mode, to charge, if ever battery voltage is considered too low for proper flashing. If that booting into maemo fails, you got a nice bootloop that will further DEPLETE your battery | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course if NOLO is nuked, there's no charging either - so coldflashing is likely to fail and you can't restore NOLO | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I said this guy shall make damn sure he got a KNOWN GOOD battery | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | as coldflashing probably will fail silently when battery too low. Will drive you nuts | 21:41 |
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| Arkenoi | appears that repetitive "disconnect or change connection" dialogs also drain battery as hell | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what that might mean. Maybe wrong password or sth like that? | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | nope | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | it is *already* connected to some network | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | and still keeps asking | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's your supposed connection? | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | does not matter | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | it started today on 3g | 21:50 |
| Arkenoi | and then continued when i entered wifi | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it does somehow - wlan or gprs? | 21:50 |
| Arkenoi | both, no difference | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh and both have same effect? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:50 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 21:50 |
| Arkenoi | i rebooted and it is ok now | 21:50 |
| Arkenoi | but it is not the fist time it behaves like that | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I've seen a faintly similar problem when sth messed up my dhcp settings so despite 3G was well and running, I couldn't ping | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | had to reboot to fix it iirc | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mere recnnect didn't help | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | my settings are to never ask | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe your issue is same, just for you it asks | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ DrGrov | 21:59 |
| DrGrov | Hi DocScrutinizer | 21:59 |
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| e-yes | i removed battery for few seconds (i've changed sim card), datetime was reseted to 0 (1 Jan 1970). Is it ok?? | 22:01 |
| e-yes | luckly, ntp is supported well in android. | 22:03 |
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| Sicelo_ | so what device is this e-yes ? | 22:03 |
| e-yes | but it's annoying (if it's by "hw design") anyway | 22:03 |
| e-yes | Sicelo_, n90 | 22:04 |
| e-yes | err n900 | 22:04 |
| kerio | well it's supposed to resist at least for 30 seconds | 22:04 |
| kerio | but the internal batteries are crap | 22:04 |
| Sicelo_ | more htat 70% nokia models lose time quickly | 22:05 |
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| kerio | at least the n900 has ntp | 22:05 |
| Sicelo_ | /s/htat/than | 22:05 |
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| e-yes | that sucks. especially for not so cheap device :( | 22:06 |
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| mer_ge | hey. where do I have to put backup files in order for the standard backup app to find it? | 22:10 |
| Sicelo_ | u can enable automatic time update if your mobile operator supports it e-yes | 22:10 |
| mer_ge | I have my backed-up files in MyDocs/Backup and can't open them with "Backup"... Do I have to put them somewhere special? | 22:12 |
| Sicelo_ | ~backup | 22:13 |
| infobot | somebody said backup was described at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/filesystems.html | 22:13 |
| e-yes | Sicelo_, ntp is ok (for me), at least it works. not only in maemo. and regardless it's supported by operator or not. | 22:13 |
| Sicelo_ | hmm.. infobot needs help there | 22:14 |
| Sicelo_ | of course e-yes :) | 22:14 |
| e-yes | however, good idea to check if it work with ofono and time-plugin :) | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | "backups" | 22:15 |
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| ShadowJK | not "Backup" | 22:16 |
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| mer_ge | MyDocs/backups doens work either. I have these zip-files, is that correct? | 22:18 |
| mer_ge | or do I have to unzip them on my PC, copy them over again and move them around manually on the phone? | 22:20 |
| mer_ge | that would be overkill | 22:20 |
| mer_ge | hm. somebody has to know how to restore from a backup... | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | restore with backup app ->restore | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | e-yes: I offered to try and get replacement backup batteries if enough other people join. The LiIon cells used in N900 (and Openmoko FR) are known to have >80% defect after only 12 months | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | my suggested replacement is another technology that's supposed to be way more rugged | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the component is like 1$ while shipping is 20$ | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I'd offer to manage an order if 29 other people like to order one for 3$ which is my expense for ordering and forwarding | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 19, not 29 | 22:41 |
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