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| telmich | good evening | 01:13 |
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| telmich | I'd like to flash a n810 with the latest rootfs, but don't have 32bit libraries, which seem to be needed for the flasher | 01:17 |
| telmich | is there a way I can flash the latest version from the device itself? | 01:17 |
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| jMCg | Hey folks | 01:20 |
| jMCg | I'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down".. | 01:20 |
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| jMCg | i.e.: http://fastmob.net/sms-alert.html | 01:22 |
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| Sc0rpius | I wonder if QML in the N900 works or it would just suck | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | it works, but I'm not a big fan of QML | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, why not try Qt w/o QML? | 01:28 |
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| Sc0rpius | that's what I was thinking | 01:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I already downloaded everything, including the Qt Mobile SDK that includes QtCreator and stuff | 01:32 |
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| clmbr | hi all...has anyone had to repair a water damaged N900? | 01:54 |
| Proteous | not sure about sucessful repairs | 01:55 |
| Proteous | but yes, there are stories of water damaged n900s | 01:55 |
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| MohammadAG | pupnik methinks | 01:57 |
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| clmbr | Thxs, Prote--I have dropped mine in water and have tried to dry it out for some time, but the screen is very dark still almost unusable. Any idea what it could be | 02:10 |
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| Proteous | don't know, is the n900 backlight led or fluorescent? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | LED | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | CFL backlight for small things went away... 7 years ago? | 02:11 |
| Proteous | clmbr: the fact that it runs at all is impressive | 02:11 |
| Proteous | :P | 02:11 |
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| merlin1991 | any python black magics here? | 03:33 |
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| merlin1991 | I need to read a file with urllib, cash it in memory and then use some sort on readline on the memory stream | 03:33 |
| merlin1991 | and fail miserably :D | 03:33 |
| pupnik | cache | 03:35 |
| merlin1991 | ah sry | 03:35 |
| pupnik | they taught 'reading by phonics' in your school right? | 03:35 |
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| merlin1991 | they also told me not todo stuff late at night ;) | 03:36 |
| pupnik | i'm wondering whether this problem with homonyms is new | 03:36 |
| merlin1991 | normally I do write cache, it was just a mistake | 03:37 |
| pupnik | merlin1991: in c? | 03:37 |
| merlin1991 | python | 03:37 |
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| pupnik | hnmm | 03:37 |
| merlin1991 | StringIO is a memory stream, but only operates on strings, not bytes, but I do have to operate a readlinelike construct on bytes because each line can contain invalid data (wrong bytes that don't fit into utf8) because it's a silly silly serverlog | 03:40 |
| merlin1991 | that writes everything there even if it's not proper text | 03:40 |
| merlin1991 | nvm finally found it in the docs | 03:43 |
| merlin1991 | io.BytesIO | 03:43 |
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| merlin1991 | 10 mins of google didn't find me what I wanted :/ | 03:43 |
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| Tronic | I accidentally deleted some files from /root/, how can I get them back? | 03:48 |
| Tronic | Is there a package I can reinstall? | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | /root's normally empty | 03:48 |
| Tronic | I am missing $PATH | 03:48 |
| ShadowJK | maybe /etc/skel has those files | 03:49 |
| Tronic | Root has different files than regular users. Should have sbin folders on path also. | 03:49 |
| Tronic | Maybe the skel files check for UID... | 03:49 |
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| ShadowJK | i vaguely recall there's a copy of "essential" files somewhere. Found them in connection to code to deal with broken /home or emmc | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | (in case /home can't be mounted, a new /home is creating on the OneNAND with files from the skel copy) | 03:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Tronic, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QuYGHghH | 03:54 |
| Tronic | Thanks :) | 03:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Acute or chronic? | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Chronic would probably be around a ton or so, over a long period | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | In excess ofyour calorific requirements | 04:11 |
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| pupnik__ | hehe | 04:28 |
| pupnik__ | almost a year ago to the day, former chief of staff to secretary of state Colin Powel, Lawrence Wilkerson signed an affidavit stating that the vast majority of detainees in Guantanamo were INNOCENT and that George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld KNEW IT... And felt that holding innocent detainees was 'OK' to save themselves political embarassment. | 04:28 |
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| clasificado | Hi all! | 04:29 |
| pupnik__ | o/ | 04:29 |
| penguinbait | Pupnik, we need to get a pint sometime | 04:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who else got the declined email? | 05:46 |
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| penguinbait | I got it a long time ago GA :) | 06:41 |
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| GAN900 | penguinbait, will be interesting to see what Maemo people actually make the cut. | 06:44 |
| penguinbait | GA, I have no clue what your talking about :) | 06:45 |
| penguinbait | what cut? | 06:45 |
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| GAN900 | penguinbait, the sponsorship cut. | 06:49 |
| penguinbait | for what event? | 06:50 |
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| Tronic | Is it possible to make mmcblk1 automount work with ext3? | 06:54 |
| Tronic | It complains about unsupported format and I have to mount manually. | 06:54 |
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| GAN900 | penguinbait, MeeGoConfSF | 07:01 |
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| * Dhraakellian wonders why he's been getting the red-slashed sim card icon in his statusbar in the last day or so | 07:27 | |
| pupnik | not seen | 07:29 |
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| Dhraakellian | not a contstant thing, but I'll see it when, for instance, I pull the phone out of my pocket | 07:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Dhraakellian, it'll get worse | 07:54 |
| Dhraakellian | ShadowJK: explicate? | 07:55 |
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| ShadowJK | Well myself and others have experienced it | 07:56 |
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| Dhraakellian | any known solution/work-around? | 07:56 |
| ShadowJK | If yours does the same as mine, it'll do the red-slashed sim card icon when taking out of pocket for a few weeks or so, and then eventually it'll be hard to make it actually work | 07:56 |
| ShadowJK | the cellular modem | 07:56 |
| Dhraakellian | tanj | 07:57 |
| ShadowJK | I had mine in for repairs. On second go they replaced it with a new | 07:57 |
| Dhraakellian | was hoping it was something fixable with a new sim | 07:57 |
| Dhraakellian | since I got my n900 used off of ebay | 07:57 |
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| Dhraakellian | = no warranty | 07:57 |
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| Dhraakellian | any non-n900 phones out there capable of running meego currently? | 07:58 |
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| Dhraakellian | 'cause, if the cellular modem fails, I might not have to worry about T-mo going the way of the subjugated dodo | 07:59 |
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| chx | Dhraakellian: the other Meego running phones are held hostage by the fairies and unicorns. | 08:03 |
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| Dhraakellian | f@$#^% fairies and unicorns | 08:04 |
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| EdLin | Dhraakellian the HTC HD2 can run meego, after a fashion. | 08:04 |
| Dhraakellian | stone them to death with WP7 devices | 08:04 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm | 08:05 |
| Dhraakellian | EdLin: like the n900 can run Android, after a fashion? | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | "A team of researchers in Italy are on the hunt to find the real Mona Lisa." | 08:07 |
| EdLin | Dhraakellian yeah, though the HD2 runs Android fine. | 08:08 |
| RST38h | "That lawn mower looking machine they're holding is actually a geo-radar device that will scan the ground to locate the skull of the mysterious woman" | 08:08 |
| Dhraakellian | RST38h: meaning the one that doesn't have "THIS IS A FAKE" sharpied under the paint in Tom Baker's handwriting? | 08:08 |
| Dhraakellian | oh | 08:09 |
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| RST38h | You mean the skull? | 08:22 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/28/supreme_court_class_action_decision/ | 09:01 |
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| peb_ | ~pr1.4 | 09:29 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 09:29 |
| peb_ | OK bot, but is it out or not .... | 09:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | that's a rather stupid question | 09:30 |
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| timeless | good morning (ugt) | 09:31 |
| timeless | did i miss anything at all exciting? | 09:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | apart from a rather stupid question about PR1.4 :) | 09:33 |
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| peb_ | Stupidity is always a matter of position ... | 09:37 |
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| mece | timeless, well there is some amazing footage of tornado in alabama. | 09:40 |
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| timeless | mece: good thing i wsn't nn alabama :) | 09:41 |
| mece | timeless, are you from alabama? | 09:41 |
| timeless | s/wsn't nn/wasn't in/ | 09:42 |
| infobot | timeless meant: mece: good thing i wasn't in alabama :) | 09:42 |
| mece | anyway, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohIVzIZLuQ | 09:42 |
| timeless | nope | 09:42 |
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| timeless | oh, right, i forgot some idiot tried to use my email address w/ PSN | 09:44 |
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| khertan | Morning | 10:43 |
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| achipa | geez.... who bases their sessions not on page loads but actual SAVES of stuff you're working on ? | 11:04 |
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| niv_ | seen ~shapeshifter | 11:18 |
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| niv_ | ~seen shapeshifter | 11:18 |
| infobot | shapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 1h 36m 30s ago, saying: '1'000'000'. | 11:18 |
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| jpinx | anyone know a how-to for making my n900 GPRS connection work in my Eeepc running XP? | 12:02 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 12:04 |
| jpinx | Appiah: thanks :) looking.... | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | its called nokia pc suite | 12:07 |
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| ruskie | yup | 12:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | ruskie, ever thought about implementing yaffs/yaffs2 on n900? just a curious question out of the blues | 12:12 |
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| chem|st | morning | 12:47 |
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| chem|st | jpinx: also direct wifi connection could do to your needs | 12:47 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: I am asked to install MADDE but there is nothing of that name | 12:52 |
| chem|st | jpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development importent, what/who asks for it? | 12:53 |
| chem|st | s/importent/important/ | 12:53 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: jpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development important, what/who asks for it? | 12:53 |
| chem|st | ~botsnack | 12:54 |
| infobot | aw, gee, chem|st | 12:54 |
| jpinx | that page in the wik | 12:54 |
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| jpinx | Appiah: pointed me to it | 12:54 |
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| jpinx | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 12:56 |
| chem|st | jpinx: ah yes for windows... ehrm actualy no idea of the windows setup but I guess the wiki is right | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | jpinx: but you do good by just installing Nokia PC Suite | 12:57 |
| chem|st | as you do not need __real__ usbnetworking | 12:57 |
| chem|st | _real_ | 12:57 |
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| * chem|st is hung on the wiki syntax, still | 12:58 | |
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| chem|st | you want to give your eepc gprs network via n900, right? | 12:58 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: I am trying to get the eeepc to connect through the n900 gprs | 13:00 |
| chem|st | jpinx: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | jpinx: you don't need to hack an usbconnection on windows | 13:00 |
| jpinx | chem|st: ok what do I do? | 13:01 |
| chem|st | usbnetworking like the wiki describes is needed if you got no wifi to ssh to n900 to do devel stuff in the first place | 13:01 |
| chem|st | jpinx: just install pc suite, it should have all needed functionality you need | 13:02 |
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| Appiah | install pc suite | 13:02 |
| Appiah | click the big button that says connect | 13:02 |
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| jacekowski | top right corner | 13:03 |
| chem|st | jpinx: that is setup free afair, you could also use windows tools and use the modem _by-hand_ | 13:03 |
| jacekowski | then you click on spanner button as network autodetection ussualy fails | 13:03 |
| jpinx | install pcsuite on which | 13:03 |
| jacekowski | laptop | 13:03 |
| chem|st | jpinx: the link here: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe | 13:04 |
| psycho_oreos | on windows | 13:04 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: I click that link and a browser opens but nothing has happened | 13:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | you're supposed to be able to download a file | 13:06 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: ^^ | 13:07 |
| psycho_oreos | probably you have some malicious file blocker, script blocker or god knows what is on your windows setup lol | 13:07 |
| jpinx | no download offered | 13:07 |
| chem|st | jpinx: http://www.nokia.de/service-und-software/software/nokia-pc-suite-o1/download#download | 13:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I got a prompt asking me what to do with the file | 13:07 |
| chem|st | try that and pick yourself | 13:08 |
| * jpinx is using the e n900 | 13:08 | |
| chem|st | jpinx: use your laptop | 13:08 |
| jpinx | not xp | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | even then on the microB it should still ask you what to do with the file iinm | 13:09 |
| chem|st | jpinx: or open up an xterm type "cd MyDocs" enter "wget http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe" | 13:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | well you've been told to use your eeepc | 13:09 |
| jpinx | chem|st: that's the point - I can't | 13:10 |
| chem|st | jpinx: xterm is installed | 13:10 |
| chem|st | jpinx: pre-installed | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | then download that file on a phone | 13:10 |
| chem|st | jpinx: wget too | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | and then connect to laptop in mass storage mode | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | and then install | 13:11 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: ehrm the laptop needs network to install the webinstaller... | 13:11 |
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| jpinx | sheeshj | 13:12 |
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| jacekowski | no that webinstaller is offline installer | 13:12 |
| chem|st | jpinx: connect via wifi... | 13:13 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: is it? | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | it is | 13:13 |
| chem|st | ok | 13:13 |
| jpinx | no wifi here only gprs | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | 34M | 13:13 |
| psycho_oreos | I wonder if the case would be any simpler had you went to nokia care and get them to give you a copy of nokia pc suite. They normally provide that at least with my old n95-1 | 13:14 |
| chem|st | jpinx: download the file via n900, transfer it in masstoragemode to your laptop and install | 13:14 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: my closest Ncare is about 80km away^^ | 13:14 |
| jpinx | whichm file ? | 13:15 |
| chem|st | jpinx: the link I gave | 13:15 |
| chem|st | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe | 13:15 |
| chem|st | thios file | 13:15 |
| chem|st | dios mio | 13:15 |
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| jpinx | my closest nokia care is about 500kms | 13:15 |
| chem|st | jpinx: you could tell that a parkingmeter! | 13:16 |
| chem|st | jpinx: stay focused | 13:16 |
| jpinx | chem|st: chplease be with me on my stuttering gprs connection | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, you could probably just phone them up and order it lol | 13:16 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: nice idea... | 13:16 |
| chem|st | jpinx: you need to download that file and I told you a way to do it... | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | and for me 80km would be a bit of a nice driving trip :D | 13:17 |
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| chem|st | jpinx: and be patient with the browser it takes sometimes a few seconds to popup the download dialog and if you touch the screen ahead you wont see it, on gprs it can take even longer | 13:18 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: clicked your link.... | 13:18 |
| psycho_oreos | should install that cpu monitoring widget. It gives you a good indication when the cpu is busy and you need to be patient | 13:19 |
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| chem|st | psycho_oreos: doesnt help if hildon-desktop freezes too... | 13:19 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: i have it ... it it always in the red | 13:20 |
| chem|st | jpinx: has the download started? | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, that'll come with experience :) at least with cssu, the issue isn't as apparent but of course its inevitable that it will still freeze | 13:20 |
| jpinx | chem|st: no :( | 13:21 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: yeah most of the time hildon-desktop doesn't freeze... most of the time abook browser or hildon-home are going wild | 13:21 |
| chem|st | jpinx: close the browser | 13:21 |
| chem|st | jpinx: open xterm | 13:21 |
| jpinx | ok | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx, seems like you may have other processes hogging the cpu unnecessarily | 13:22 |
| chem|st | jpinx: is the n900 connected via usb? | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, well random hogging yeah, though mind you the cssu fix is still far better than nothing :D | 13:23 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: true, but still to be improved | 13:23 |
| chem|st | hildon-home is still a pain | 13:23 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: connected to eeepc by usb and to internet by gprs | 13:24 |
| jpinx | I am using remtote shell for irssi | 13:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | chem|st, hurry up and become a developer, join the team! ;) | 13:24 |
| chem|st | jpinx: that is why you cannot download anything | 13:24 |
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| jpinx | why | 13:24 |
| chem|st | the browser has no device to download to as usb exports all user space | 13:24 |
| cityLights | did anyone saw shapeshifter , the guy that wrote alarmed? | 13:24 |
| jpinx | chem|st: ok unplugging usb | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | he appears every now and then a few months back | 13:25 |
| chem|st | ~seen Shapeshifter | 13:25 |
| infobot | shapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 3h 43m 23s ago, saying: '1'000'000'. | 13:25 |
| cityLights | I need help in understanding how he reffers to an object named eventInfo ,while it wasnt annouced | 13:25 |
| cityLights | can I ask a python question? | 13:26 |
| chem|st | jpinx: look if the filebrowser shows anything | 13:26 |
| chem|st | cityLights: anytime | 13:26 |
| chem|st | ~ask | 13:26 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 13:26 |
| psycho_oreos | python is probably better asked in #python if you can't get help here. | 13:26 |
| chem|st | jpinx: if your internal storage shows just try the link again | 13:27 |
| cityLights | min , let me get the code online | 13:27 |
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| cityLights | kindly look at http://dpaste.com/536711/ | 13:31 |
| cityLights | by the way is it ok to email him? | 13:31 |
| cityLights | I can't find a line stating that eventInfo is indead a class | 13:31 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: downloading 37 - odd Mbs will take a few days for me :( | 13:32 |
| cityLights | and so how come in line 329 it is eventInfo["enabled"] = 1 | 13:32 |
| chem|st | jpinx: yes | 13:32 |
| cityLights | no one created eventInfo yet | 13:32 |
| chem|st | jpinx: so you learned some new stuff today... | 13:32 |
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| jpinx | chem|st: not really - I' take the link to a cafe and transfer it by USB stick | 13:34 |
| yacc | Wondering is there a way to make the N900 pull more than 100mA on an non-microusb-compliant USB plug via software? | 13:34 |
| jpinx | thanks for the pointer | 13:34 |
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| jpinx | Chewtoy: Not Found | 13:35 |
| jpinx | The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it | 13:35 |
| cityLights | o that is a dict - sorry | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yacc: One easy way iswithahackedcable | 13:35 |
| chem|st | yacc: trick the host | 13:36 |
| jpinx | chem|st: | 13:36 |
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| chem|st | jpinx: ? | 13:36 |
| yacc | SpeedEvil, ? | 13:37 |
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| yacc | chem|st, The host? Hard to do with a 12V USB plug, ... | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | jpinx-away: http://tinyurl.com/nn35lw | 13:38 |
| chem|st | yacc: ouch | 13:39 |
| chem|st | yacc: what SpeedEvil means is to build a charger cable | 13:39 |
| chem|st | crossed data lines | 13:39 |
| yacc | chem|st, on my PC it seems to charge fine, ... | 13:39 |
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| yacc | chem|st, url? | 13:40 |
| yacc | of a howto? | 13:40 |
| chem|st | yacc: on some bulk chargers it doesn't charge at all | 13:40 |
| yacc | Well it does the 100mA thing on my car charger, ... | 13:40 |
| * yacc hates typing with one hand. | 13:40 | |
| chem|st | yacc: no idea | 13:41 |
| chem|st | yacc: my orig. nokia charger does more than 100mA | 13:41 |
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| chem|st | a charger usb port on a car adptor does not charge at all | 13:41 |
| yacc | chem|st, in my case it does, but not enough to prevent it from powering down, but powered down, it shows the orange led. | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | yacc: Take a 10cm or so extender cable. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, cut it carefully open | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | trim off the white and green wires from the 'input' side - and insulate. Join the white and green on the 'output' side and insulate. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Insulate the whole thing. | 13:46 |
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| khertan | yacc: i ve a radioplayer which read usb mass storage | 14:03 |
| khertan | and it s enought | 14:03 |
| khertan | for 3g + gps | 14:04 |
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| RST38h | http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/transistor-aging/0 | 15:03 |
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| cityLights | here is a question. | 15:23 |
| cityLights | in alarmed the gui interface for libalarm. the program keeps files for each event | 15:23 |
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| cityLights | can't I just access the device and query it? | 15:23 |
| khertan | nope | 15:24 |
| khertan | the best way is to parse the conf file | 15:24 |
| khertan | really usefull lib ? yeah :) | 15:24 |
| cityLights | I use a event to run my program. but in case I quit the program I need to remove the event. for thatmust I have the cookie? | 15:25 |
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| cityLights | hi etrunko | 15:34 |
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| etrunko | hi cityLights | 15:34 |
| cityLights | in libalarm , must I have a cookie o remove an event? | 15:35 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, hey | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 15:46 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i'm stupid >_< | 15:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | who's Niv | 15:49 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i emailed order of microusb to mousers israel contact email from website and today i called them to ask what's going on and they just told me i emailed wrong place =) | 15:58 |
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| ZogG | re-ordered eerything and got one from ebay as well but ebay's one sucks. gonna wait more | 15:58 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i need to ask you a favor | 15:58 |
| lolcat_ | ZogG: You are ordering microusb port for n900? | 15:58 |
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| ZogG | lolcat_ yes | 15:59 |
| ZogG | netsplit \o/ | 15:59 |
| ZogG | yay | 15:59 |
| lolcat_ | Mine ir b0rked | 15:59 |
| lolcat_ | You can have mine :P | 15:59 |
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| lolcat | ZogG: I think I will buy a new N900 next week | 16:02 |
| lolcat | Unless it comes a new decent phone | 16:03 |
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| ZogG | lolcat if yours is broken why would i need another broken one =) | 16:03 |
| auenfx4 | get a hd2/hd7 and run ubuntu on it? | 16:04 |
| ZogG | auenfx4 get a girlfriend and life =P | 16:04 |
| auenfx4 | far too busy for either of them | 16:04 |
| lolcat | hd2/hd7? | 16:04 |
| lolcat | I hope I get a refund | 16:04 |
| lolcat | $1000 xD | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | why would you get a N900 at this point? O.o | 16:04 |
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| lolcat | THere is no other decent phones in the world :( | 16:05 |
| lolcat | luke-jr: Or is there? | 16:06 |
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| luke-jr | lolcat: N900 isn't a phone | 16:06 |
| luke-jr | lolcat: if I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the high-end phones with QWERTY and research which I can install Gentoo on | 16:06 |
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| lolcat | luke-jr: Can you mention another debian based uppc that has phone capabilities? | 16:07 |
| lolcat | Can gentoo send sms and call? | 16:07 |
| luke-jr | shrug | 16:07 |
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| * ZogG mp> south.park.s15e01.hdtv.xvid-fqm.avi [624x352 XVID 23.976fps] | 16:08 | |
| ZogG | \o/ | 16:08 |
| lolcat | I guess I could do with a normal ultra-mobile computer if it could take a sim and have mobile broadband | 16:09 |
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| lolcat | I hate nokia for not making any more phones with maemo | 16:12 |
| ZogG | i need help | 16:12 |
| lolcat | I want dual core and 1gb ram | 16:12 |
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| ZogG | i need someone to buy inside battery (about 1$) and send me and i'll palpay | 16:13 |
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| clasificado | Hi all | 16:28 |
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| lolcat | clasificado: Hello | 16:37 |
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| lolcat | THeoretically, could I just replace the cpu/ram in my n900 with a dual core 1gb one? | 16:59 |
| timeless_xchat | a dual core arm cpu? | 17:01 |
| lolcat | yes | 17:01 |
| lolcat | they exsist | 17:01 |
| timeless_xchat | that has exactly the same supported interface? | 17:01 |
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| timeless_xchat | and the same power consumption statistics? | 17:01 |
| timeless_xchat | \ profile | 17:01 |
| timeless_xchat | theoretically you can do anything you want to do | 17:02 |
| lolcat | Ok, replace the battery to | 17:02 |
| lolcat | But can this realisticly be done? | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | at least in the intel world, it's common for newer chips to use a different socket | 17:02 |
| timeless_xchat | which makes upgrades impractical w/o tossing out the motherboard | 17:03 |
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| timeless_xchat | arm is generally done more as SoC | 17:03 |
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| timeless_xchat | so your question is more practically stated: if i found a complete hackable phone with better specs, would maemo 5 magically work on it | 17:04 |
| timeless_xchat | supporting all of its arbitrarily different components | 17:04 |
| timeless_xchat | and presumably you want roughly the same power profile | 17:05 |
| lolcat | You would need the same gsm/3g/whatever radio | 17:05 |
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| timeless_xchat | replacing the battery is different, possible, practical, and has been done by end users | 17:06 |
| timeless_xchat | ~soc | 17:06 |
| infobot | rumour has it, soc is System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU. | 17:06 |
| timeless_xchat | infobot: have a botsnack | 17:06 |
| infobot | timeless_xchat: :) | 17:06 |
| timeless_xchat | lolcat : do you want this to theoretically be cost effective too? | 17:07 |
| lolcat | Yes | 17:08 |
| lolcat | Around the cost of a new N900 | 17:08 |
| lolcat | $1000ish | 17:08 |
| timeless_xchat | give me your 1000 USD today, i'll get you something in 12 months | 17:09 |
| timeless_xchat | it probably won't be dual core | 17:09 |
| lolcat | Can't be 12 months without a phone | 17:09 |
| lolcat | Why not? | 17:09 |
| timeless_xchat | but it probably will have more ram than your n900 | 17:09 |
| lolcat | I can replace the debian kernel with a dual core kernel | 17:09 |
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| timeless_xchat | have you ever performed a successful partial brain transplant on a living cat? | 17:10 |
| lolcat | no | 17:10 |
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| timeless_xchat | ever wonder why not? | 17:10 |
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| lolcat | But the kernel is the only thing that needs to support dual-core | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | it's just a bunch of neurons... | 17:11 |
| lolcat | timeless_xchat: Because I dont like cats | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | how about on a dog? | 17:11 |
| lolcat | no | 17:11 |
| lolcat | I dont see why I would | 17:11 |
| * timeless_xchat isn't sure what liking the animal has to do with it | 17:12 | |
| timeless_xchat | such a process is clearly cruel and involves significant amounts of torture | 17:12 |
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| timeless_xchat | lolcat : changing your n900's cpu is roughly equivalent to changing part of that cat's brain | 17:13 |
| lolcat | timeless_xchat: Do you change tires on Hyundais? | 17:13 |
| timeless_xchat | and note we're talking about a *partial* transplant | 17:13 |
| lolcat | Maemo *only* runs on the cpu in N900? | 17:13 |
| timeless_xchat | the n900 is commercial hardware | 17:14 |
| timeless_xchat | it isn't a bread board | 17:14 |
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| lolcat | So? | 17:15 |
| timeless_xchat | but maemo *5* was *tuned* for the n900's specific hardware | 17:15 |
| lolcat | Even if my car is tuned for ethanol, I can still use gasoline | 17:15 |
| timeless_xchat | it needn't support any component not included in the n900 | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | lolchat, changing tires is like changing your battery. | 17:15 |
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| lolcat | GAN900: Not like changing the battery? | 17:16 |
| timeless_xchat | would your car run on helium? | 17:16 |
| timeless_xchat | or heck, diesel? | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | lolcat, but can your car handle a V8? | 17:16 |
| lolcat | GAN900: And that was to make timeless_xchat understand that you don't fix things you don't like | 17:16 |
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| * timeless_xchat fixes phones by changing batteries ("low battery") | 17:17 | |
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| lolcat | timeless_xchat: Can you fix mine? the charger port died | 17:18 |
| lolcat | But like | 17:18 |
| lolcat | I am upset | 17:18 |
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| lolcat | the N900 is old, and there is not a single decent device on the market to replace it | 17:18 |
| mtnbkr | lolcat: agreed twice. | 17:19 |
| achipa | lolcat: soon, soon... (TM) | 17:19 |
| lolcat | I will probably get a refund on my N900 | 17:19 |
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| mtnbkr | Nokia sold their soul to the Devil, and we are stuck with DRM, DRM, and more DRM as choices... | 17:19 |
| lolcat | But I can't find a single device to replace it | 17:19 |
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| lolcat | Nothing that is even close | 17:20 |
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| timeless_xchat | mtnbkr: when was this sale? | 17:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | lolcat: Have you attempted to get a repair done? | 17:25 |
| lolcat | SpeedEvil: I have had two | 17:25 |
| lolcat | third strike == refund | 17:25 |
| lolcat | SpeedEvil: 950usd back | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:26 |
| timeless_xchat | who paid >800usd for a phone? and why? | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | <--- | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | cause Israel's taxes suck | 17:28 |
| cityLights | Shapeshifter: ding | 17:28 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: dong | 17:28 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/2 | 17:28 |
| khertan | :) | 17:28 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: Israeli? | 17:29 |
| cityLights | Shapeshifter: hi there, and thanks for the alarmed program | 17:29 |
| lolcat | timeless_xchat: My insurance company xD | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | No, I just live there | 17:29 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: sure. you're Niv? | 17:29 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag: at least you don't have to deal w/ land line service in .IL | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, cool, can I suggest two things though | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, first of all, separate the merge request from the previous one | 17:29 |
| timeless_xchat | historically it took ~2 years to get hooked up | 17:29 |
| cityLights | I found it very helpfull when trying to understand how to use python-alarm | 17:30 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: if I was to purge the alarmd queue I would be deleting events made by the calendar or internal alarm app. | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | second, wrap it in #ifdef Q_OS_S60 and #else, then we can request a merge upstream | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, I do, it sucks | 17:30 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: when are you free for tea? | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | I'm still on a 5MBps line cause only IL areas got optical fibres | 17:30 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: i ve included the first merge request in it ? | 17:31 |
| khertan | oups indeed ... sorry | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights, late June, exams starting soon :P | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, yeah | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | well, exams are a low priority, graduation and stuff aren't | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, and use #ifdef Q_OS_S60, instead of removing the changes | 17:32 |
| cityLights | Shapeshifter: right, I assume that , so what happens if I call action = event.add_actions(1)[0] twice? | 17:32 |
| * MohammadAG checks if a 10MBps line is available, would be useful for uploading those Qt binaries | 17:32 | |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: mhh, I'll have to look at the code real quick... | 17:32 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: pls pm your email so I can keep in touch | 17:33 |
| cityLights | I am planing a simple program to silent the device when I am in a meeting then after it ends return it to general | 17:34 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: did you ever meet matan? | 17:35 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: hum ... there is a thing i didn't understand : #if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) && defined(QT_NO_FREETYPE) | 17:35 |
| khertan | does maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ? | 17:35 |
| * timeless_xchat waits to fly to CPH | 17:35 | |
| timeless_xchat | khertan: i sure hope not.. | 17:36 |
| khertan | so why modifying something inside the defined fix problem | 17:36 |
| cityLights | Shapeshifter: I guess I must keep my own track of events I add using my program to be able o remove them if I quit the program | 17:36 |
| timeless_xchat | http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/search?string=Q_OS_MAEMO | 17:37 |
| timeless_xchat | shows there once was a ... | 17:38 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: oh, the 'event' is an instance of the alarm.Event() class which is done by Nokia in python-alarm. it's in their gitorious at http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm You can look at the Event class. | 17:38 |
| cityLights | the action = event.add_actions(1)[0] line appears in the test script inside the pkg | 17:39 |
| timeless_xchat | http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/search?string=Q_OS_ is an interesting read | 17:39 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: did I catch that right that you want to develop your own app which does something prior and after some event? e.g. meeting? You're probably better off using python-alarm directly (although their documentation is kinda sparse) rather than look at the alarmed sources | 17:39 |
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| cityLights | oh I only use import alarm | 17:40 |
| Shapeshifter | good | 17:40 |
| cityLights | I looked at their test scripts to understand how it works | 17:40 |
| cityLights | and your alarmed to get the bigger picture | 17:40 |
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| cityLights | too bad I can't simple read the alarm device | 17:41 |
| cityLights | seems I must keep cookies | 17:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | what do you mean?= | 17:41 |
| Shapeshifter | the queue is kept at /var/cache/alarmd/alarmd-queue.ini or something | 17:41 |
| Shapeshifter | cannot remember exactly but it's something like that | 17:42 |
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| mtnbkr | timeless_xchat: The sale was completed when Nokia decided to go ONLY with windows Phone 7 for all future devices, and phase out Symbian/Maemo/Meego | 17:42 |
| mtnbkr | timeless_xchat: just a few weeks back actually. | 17:42 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: true though that for example in alarmed I keep the event info in a distinct config dir because the queue itself can be full of other stuff from other apps | 17:42 |
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| timeless_xchat | mtnbkr : hrm, and how does that relate to drm? | 17:43 |
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| timeless_xchat | and note that "all future devices" is definitely *not* what nokia said | 17:43 |
| cityLights | great , so I can read the /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini and look at what my actions do | 17:44 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: if I guessed correctly, yes | 17:44 |
| Shapeshifter | there's a field action_command or something | 17:44 |
| mtnbkr | timeless_xchat: re: DRM all other choices are no where near as open as Maemo and I am not looking forward to the time I need to make a choice | 17:44 |
| timeless_xchat | ooh, catering pulled up | 17:44 |
| Shapeshifter | or there's dbus calls as well | 17:44 |
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| cityLights | ok so now I need to understand what event.add_actions(1)[0] mean | 17:45 |
| timeless_xchat | mtnbkr : drm was coming with or without microsoft | 17:45 |
| timeless_xchat | so please don't blame microsoft for it | 17:45 |
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| cityLights | http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm/trees/master doesnt show the alarm.pyx source | 17:47 |
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| cityLights | sorry | 17:48 |
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| cityLights | http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm/blobs/master/alarm.pyx line 549 | 17:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | cityLights: yep, you need to keep track of what you create | 17:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | cityLights, mohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | <khertan> does maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ? | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | maemo is Q_WS_MAEMO_5 | 18:08 |
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| lolcat | WS? | 18:11 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | maemo falls under linux/unix | 18:12 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: so why modifying code between if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) chang something | 18:15 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, what? | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, shall I just make the edits and push it myself? | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: cityLights: I'd suggest to use alarmed API instead of direct calls to alarmd, for such a relatively simple straightforward task like switching profile during meetings | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the alarmed commandline API is specifically designed to handle that class of requirements in a quite convenient way | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's just missing a symlink from /usr/bin/alarmed to /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py ;-D | 18:55 |
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| rm_work | hrm, where is the database file for text messages / conversations stored? | 18:56 |
| rm_work | and is it just SQLite or something simple like that? | 18:56 |
| rm_work | I want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages | 18:57 |
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| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: think of alarmed as a maemo specific replacement for crond | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually cron&at | 19:42 |
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| anathaema | my n900 has been crap the past day | 19:47 |
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| billmania | anathaema: I'll bite. In what way? | 19:49 |
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| anathaema | crashing | 19:51 |
| anathaema | need more ram | 19:51 |
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| anathaema | i'm gonna get a pandaboard for my bike | 19:51 |
| anathaema | can you run maemo on pandaboard? | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, partially maybe | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if xou don't want internet connection daemon and other closed bits | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nor any gfx accel bits | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor battery charging or whatever | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might want to have a lok at mer for that topic | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/lok/look/ | 20:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: you might want to have a look at mer for that topic | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | Many white iPhone buyers also have black iPhone! --cnn | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG | oh cool, X disappeared | 20:04 |
| RST38h | ran away. scared. | 20:05 |
| cityLights | Shapeshifter: where do you initilize the dictionary we discussed eventInfo = {} ? | 20:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's going to be a pain commuting from Stanford into the city. . . . | 20:11 |
| ds3 | where are you commuting to in the city? | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3: SF Regency Hyatt. | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Around Pier 3, I guess. | 20:14 |
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| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: Caltrain -> Bart? | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3: I guess, but I'd rather be in that damn hotel so I'd just have to walk downstairs. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid sponsorship. | 20:17 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: what event is this? | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | MeeGo Conference SF in May. | 20:19 |
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| ds3 | ah that | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | too bad I don't participate. Whould have loved to have a pint with gan | 20:20 |
| chx | not wanting to be a troll, but what that is going to be the funeral of MeeGo?? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otoh it might be a depressing event ;-) | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chx: exactly | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | chx, probably. | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm planning mostly to get drunk with Maemo friends on Intel-provided booze. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, maybe there'll be another in German this Fall. | 20:22 |
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| MohammadAG | why all the hate on MeeGo? | 20:28 |
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| MohammadAG | it's actually not that bad | 20:28 |
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| akssps011 | Is there a way to use my PCs internet connection on meemo/N900 ? | 20:34 |
| akssps011 | *maemo | 20:34 |
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| akssps011 | i.e. use my PC as a wifi router | 20:44 |
| akssps011 | I found gnu box, but it doesn't seem to have an equivalent maemo package | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, because the big majority of people (in the wider maemo "community") have different idea of what it should be | 20:59 |
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| ShadowJK | They're expecting it to be an upgrade to Maemo, to add the missing stuff, like HTML5, Flash 10, Video Calls, Voice Dialing, Conference Calling, Ovi Maps nav, and whatever else there was | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | From that perspective, it's more of a regression :) | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a regression anyway | 21:04 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the proper way to start X? | 21:04 |
| RST38h | startx? | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | A | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | that doesn't exist on maemo :p | 21:06 |
| RST38h | xinit then? | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | neither does any letter of the alphabet | 21:06 |
| RST38h | a moment | 21:06 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You're going to make it then? | 21:07 |
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| Jaffa | (to the conf) | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | no initx either | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: /etc/rc0.d/K20hildon-desktop | 21:08 |
| Proteous | MohammadAG: did you try startW | 21:09 |
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| Jaffa | Hi anidel | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: MohammadAG: or start xsession? | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, that's for hildon-desktop, not X | 21:11 |
| anidel | hi Jaffa | 21:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: already bought a plane ticket. | 21:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped apparently lives in the city, so I may see if I can couch surf with him. If not, I've got a friend down near Stanford. . . . | 21:14 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, so you'll be there as well? | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, yeah. | 21:14 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, cool :) glad I'll be able to meet you again. I managed to organize a vacation trip around CA around those times and to be in SFO on Monday (actually on Sunday) | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel: sounds like fun. | 21:16 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, yeah | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: to me it looks like it should also start X in this file, at least there are no higher priority scripts to do that | 21:18 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles: I hope the nice stuff will be seen on Monday, so I won't miss too much | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel: just the drinking. :P | 21:19 |
| anidel | cool | 21:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles notes 25/5 is not 40/5. | 21:19 | |
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| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: i will have to look up when that is | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23-25th of May | 21:25 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: we've still only made it to a non-intersecting set of events | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, yeah, well, get to SF. :P | 21:26 |
| rm_work | :P | 21:26 |
| rm_work | which airport code is that | 21:26 |
| rm_work | i flew in there last year around June | 21:26 |
| rm_work | but i don't remember | 21:26 |
| rm_work | ah, SFO | 21:27 |
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| rm_work | hrm | 21:28 |
| rm_work | like $360 | 21:29 |
| ds3 | anyone know if there are newer settings for MMS on TMO? | 21:29 |
| ds3 | Tmobile | 21:29 |
| ds3 | seems fmms has not been able to download mms's for a while | 21:30 |
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| rm_work | :( | 21:34 |
| rm_work | fmms never worked well for me at all | 21:34 |
| rm_work | :( | 21:34 |
| rm_work | i was prolly doing it wrong tho | 21:34 |
| rm_work | anyone know where the database file for text messages / conversations is stored? | 21:35 |
| rm_work | I want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages, it's just a SQLite DB right? | 21:35 |
| rm_work | i know i messed with it before | 21:35 |
| rm_work | I just wish air transportation didn't cost SO MUCH #&*% MONEY | 21:38 |
| rm_work | if plane tickets were like $100 or less i could actually go places | 21:38 |
| rm_work | still trying to get over the $450 tickets to get to WA for PAX this year | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | rm_work: Wait until prices double andpeople stopflying | 21:51 |
| rm_work | ok... | 21:51 |
| rm_work | then prices will be double | 21:52 |
| rm_work | so i won't be flying | 21:52 |
| rm_work | ... as per your point :P | 21:52 |
| yigal | I have a question very tangential to #maemo but still of possible interest to some here. I'm not young any more, 32, I have very little job experience, a masters in physics, and I'm tired of slugging my way towards some new degree. If at all possible I would very much like a job as a computer engineer or something like this and working with open source software/networking would be even better. My degree was in computational physic | 21:52 |
| RST38h | nobody else too, but the business travelers | 21:52 |
| RST38h | yigal:and your question? | 21:52 |
| rm_work | is your point just that "i will still not be flying, but will be able to complain with more conviction"? lol | 21:52 |
| RST38h | rm_work: won't even consider flying as a relevant activity | 21:53 |
| RST38h | (file under "cultural/social shifts") | 21:53 |
| yigal | Am I going down a bad path by investing some money and mostly time in trying to get a job with the description I've given? | 21:53 |
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| yigal | bad as in unlikely to be succesful | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | yigal: You are not | 21:54 |
| E0x | maybe in the game industry if you can code you have some future , but i am just guessing | 21:54 |
| RST38h | yigal: But your success finding job will depend ona few factod | 21:54 |
| RST38h | factors | 21:54 |
| RST38h | yigal: 1) overall availability of CS/IT jobs where you live | 21:55 |
| yigal | not so good, and am totally willing to relocate | 21:55 |
| RST38h | yigal: 2) Your hands on programming experience (i.e. whatever you can put on your resume) | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | yigal: 3) Your willingness to be flexible (i.e. accept a job that will not be open source related, or plain boring) | 21:55 |
| yigal | RST38h: thank you | 21:57 |
| RST38h | yigal: In general, employers will mostly look at your programming experience rather than your education | 21:57 |
| RST38h | yigal: If you do not have programming experience, go for a job in IT instead, requirements are more lenient there | 21:57 |
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| derf | If you have time, contribute to open-source projects. They are great things to put on resumes, and any actual engineer in the hiring chain will love to see them, because they can just go read your code. | 21:59 |
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| yigal | RST38h: The only programming experience are simulations for my master's thesis in C++ but I'm proficcient in many other programming languages I just don't have much to show | 21:59 |
| yigal | derf: I will do that | 21:59 |
| yigal | s/icci/ici/ | 21:59 |
| RST38h | yigal: figure out the right wording to stick them onto resume | 22:00 |
| RST38h | moo,derf | 22:00 |
| derf | Moo, RST38h. | 22:00 |
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| yigal | RST38h: ok, thank you, I tried to go to school for something medically related: med school or stem cell research took microbio,physio, organic chem. but I just didn't have enough energy and got all Bs, 3.0 no regrets it's just time to start working | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Well, it is your call, I doubt anyone can help you making it | 22:04 |
| RST38h | But, if you do want a programming job, they should be obtainable | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Unless wherever you live has got some really outlandish employment rites | 22:05 |
| yigal | RST38h: I live in California so I believe I will have to move but that's not a big deal | 22:05 |
| yigal | RST38h: thank you, now it's time to do some more research on what is really out there | 22:07 |
| derf | It turns out there are a lot of programming jobs in California. | 22:07 |
| derf | Something about a "Silicon Valley" or something. | 22:08 |
| chx | no shit, Sherlock | 22:08 |
| yigal | where ever I can find a job that pays => $35k I'll be ecstatic (if they don't make me bend over too often :)) | 22:09 |
| RST38h | yigal: Not finding a programming job in California sounds like an oxymoron | 22:10 |
| yigal | RST38h: oh this is really good news | 22:10 |
| RST38h | yigal: and you probably should not consider anything <$60k/year nowadays | 22:10 |
| RST38h | less for IT | 22:10 |
| yigal | RST38h: I've really never looked at the job market I've only spent many many hours academically and hobby wise programming | 22:10 |
| rm_work | yeah... WHAT? how would you not expect to find a programming job in california? | 22:10 |
| rm_work | that's like computer programming central | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | oh | 22:11 |
| yigal | yes but I'm not sure about the competition and I'm fine if it means I have to move | 22:11 |
| RST38h | yigal: Then you are asking questions too early :) | 22:11 |
| rm_work | yeah if you tell someone you'll do programming for 35k/year they'll hire you instantly | 22:11 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:11 |
| rm_work | regardless of skill | 22:11 |
| RST38h | rm_work: Will probably not hire you out of suspicion :) | 22:12 |
| rm_work | there are a lot of companies who still think that hiring a ton of novice programmers for cheap is better than hiring just a handful of experienced ones | 22:12 |
| rm_work | so you're in luck :P | 22:12 |
| yigal | RST38h: had to put my feet in the water somehow, and thank you for indulging my curiosity | 22:12 |
| yigal | oh well that's even better :D | 22:12 |
| rm_work | for the record, it's a HORRIBLE idea | 22:12 |
| rm_work | but it's good for novice programmers :) | 22:12 |
| rm_work | RST38h: lol | 22:13 |
| rm_work | RST38h: shh, i'm good at what I do :P | 22:13 |
| rm_work | maybe not as much as someone with 30 years of experience writing code every day | 22:13 |
| RST38h | rm_work: You have got a 35k/y job for him? =) | 22:13 |
| rm_work | lol no | 22:13 |
| rm_work | someone offered me 45k and i laughed at them >_> | 22:13 |
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| yigal | until I actually have a real job I just want to be cautious | 22:14 |
| rm_work | no harm in applying to some places, it is super easy to email your resume out to people :) | 22:14 |
| yigal | but it looks good, and I have the patience for the job | 22:14 |
| rm_work | and tech market is in a hiring phase right now i think | 22:14 |
| ds3 | okay, weirdest thing... polite/rude modes in FMMS fails but havoc works! | 22:15 |
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| rm_work | actually, the only thing that made me laugh about that 45k offer really was that when I said "that's very low for this area at my skill level" they said "no, that's industry average for this city" while i was busy getting 3 other offers for 1.5x as much | 22:16 |
| RST38h | rm_work: I have got funnier offers | 22:16 |
| yigal | hee hee | 22:16 |
| RST38h | rm_work: Like BUYING an iPhone/iMac from the client, writing an iPhone app for them, then getting $2000 and "maybe another $2000 if the app sells" | 22:17 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:17 |
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| yigal | anyone have a suggestion on how I should begin my search. Should I use a generic job search engine www.careerbuilder.com for instance? | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | yigal: 1) Create LinkedIn account, create profile, upload resume | 22:19 |
| RST38h | yigal: 2) Same with Monster.com | 22:20 |
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| rm_work | find companies in phonebook. look up websites. submit resume. | 22:20 |
| rm_work | works better than you'd think | 22:20 |
| rm_work | thats what i did | 22:20 |
| RST38h | yigal: 3) Search monster.com for "software" jobs around your area | 22:20 |
| RST38h | yigal: 4) Wait for 1 week | 22:20 |
| yigal | RST38h: thank you, thank you | 22:20 |
| rm_work | 4) Wait for 4 months | 22:20 |
| rm_work | one week is a bit fast :P | 22:20 |
| yigal | rm_work: no thank you, lol | 22:20 |
| yigal | 4 months | 22:21 |
| yigal | you're serious | 22:21 |
| RST38h | Yea, although I would suggest freshening your resume and profile every week or so | 22:21 |
| rm_work | one week is a bit fast for companies that are actively seeking employees | 22:21 |
| yigal | ok | 22:21 |
| RST38h | true, but keep adjusting your profile | 22:21 |
| rm_work | it takes about a week for a resume to bounce around an office for someone to actually look at usualluy | 22:21 |
| rm_work | then they gather them for a few weeks and then start calling favorite candidates for phone interviews | 22:21 |
| yigal | ok | 22:22 |
| RST38h | OMG they talked Acer into building a ChromeOS netbook | 22:22 |
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| rm_work | week or two later if they like you they will call you back for an in-person interview (it is now 1.5 months or more past when you sent in resumes) | 22:22 |
| yigal | rm_work: ty | 22:22 |
| rm_work | then if they like you they will tell you a week or so later about an offer | 22:22 |
| rm_work | so that's around 2mo average if they are actively looking to fill a position immediately | 22:22 |
| rm_work | where i work now, it's not uncommon for people to get their first call 3 months after submitting a resume, and that's for positions that were open when their resume was recieved | 22:23 |
| rm_work | so i dunno where "one week" comes from, unless you are really lucky >_> | 22:23 |
| yigal | In the mean time should I be taking some type of certificate course, .NET, or something I won't feel so bad about selling out? | 22:24 |
| rm_work | eh | 22:25 |
| rm_work | certifications only help you in places you don't want to be working | 22:25 |
| rm_work | because they help you in places that base hiring decisions on certifications | 22:25 |
| mece | hey | 22:25 |
| mece | has any of you had problems with git on N900 lately? | 22:25 |
| yigal | rm_work: but there are still enough jobs available where my skills can overshadow certificates | 22:26 |
| mece | I can't seem to pull or clone anything atm. I get Fatal: HTTP Request failed | 22:26 |
| yigal | rm_work: ? | 22:26 |
| rm_work | i would focus on helping with open source projects and just general skills practice, rather than trying to pass a cert | 22:27 |
| yigal | rm_work: sounds good | 22:27 |
| RST38h | yigal: better yet: write something on your own that you can show off | 22:27 |
| rm_work | but like i said, it would be helpful at companies that base hiring on certifications, so if you don't have demonstratable skills to speak of, a cert will be SOMETHING to point to :/ | 22:27 |
| RST38h | yigal: Helping with a big project may be fun, but you won't be able to show it off as effectively as your own stuff | 22:28 |
| rm_work | ^^^^ what RST said | 22:28 |
| rm_work | "I wrote this" is a big help | 22:28 |
| rm_work | i got super lucky with #maemo | 22:28 |
| yigal | ok | 22:28 |
| rm_work | right after i joined the community there was a really popular project that people were requesting, which fit right into my skillset | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | rm_work, "I got drunk in Berlin" ? | 22:30 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:30 |
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| rm_work | should get drunk with lcuk again | 22:30 |
| rm_work | good times | 22:30 |
| rm_work | vaguely remember wobbling around at a mcdonalds | 22:30 |
| * lcuk nods eagerly | 22:30 | |
| rm_work | you were drunk enough that you were saying ridiculous things while trying to eat a burger, and i was drunk enough that i shouldn't rightly remember the occasion but i got lucky :P | 22:31 |
| rm_work | that's what i get for trying to go drink-for-drink with jott >_< | 22:31 |
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| rm_work | huge german guy, vs. smallish built american kid == FAIL | 22:32 |
| * lcuk was thinking about jott earlier | 22:32 | |
| * rm_work was thinking about lcuk's blue laundry earlier | 22:32 | |
| RST38h | mhmmmm | 22:32 |
| * RST38h now knows where the damn jitter is coming from | 22:33 | |
| rm_work | still not sure what could cause that, unless the british use some weird caustic detergent that doesn't get along with american t-shirt printing inks :P | 22:33 |
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| mece | anyone here on their way to that qtquick seminar in helsinki next week? | 22:39 |
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| jMCg | I'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down".. i.e., something like http://fastmob.net/sms-alert.html | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Yes, an Armadillo Can Give You Leprosy | 23:29 |
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| Dhraak[n900] | oookay... | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I was about to link to that. | 23:31 |
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| Dhraak[n900] | using xchat since I'm outside, and the computer inside running quasselcore is still down from a power outage last night | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 23:32 |
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| Dhraak[n900] | wonder what it'd take to get quasselcore on maemo | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I'm missing an app that allows arbitrary actions on arbitrary cmt events (like inbound SMS which matches certain parameters) | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sth similar to dbus-sripting, but for ISI | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a pitty friggin isi/phonet isn't strictly dbus based | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same applies to calendar and contacts | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | in fact maemo is rather non-uniform, compare freesmartphone.org for a way better unified approach to middleware | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sigh | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if meego would have adopted fso or at least the concept, it'd be of at least some attractiveness over maemo | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 23:40 |
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| RST38h | GPS Maker TomTom Submits Your Speed Data To Police | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what a useless hoax | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | what if I'm in a bus, a train, a plane? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | simply sitting backseat of Toni Schuhmacher? | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly that's FUD | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tomtom is known to use feedback from their devices to detect stalling traffic | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that doesn't mean a thing though | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I think this concept been invented on dash, a routing device built OEM by Opemoko, then sold to tomtom | 23:56 |
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