IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-04-26

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DocScrutinizer	at least qt4.7.2 is messing up qt apps that use it, when highlighting text, afaik	00:00
DocScrutinizer	so my daily phone got locked on CSSU version 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (disabled CSSU catalog)	00:01
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kwtm	DocScrutinizer: Hmm... any way for me to install an older release? I see we're up to 1.3.3.7-8, so could I, say, install PR 1.3.3.7-6.5 ? The instructions talk about clicking on an install URL via web browser, but I'm hoping to find a FIASCO image that I can flash instead.	00:04
kwtm	Your 20.2010.36-2maemo13 appears to correspond to 1.3.3.7-7. Do you find that usable? Does it have the highlighting bug in Qt4.7? If yes, I should go to an earlier version.	00:05
DocScrutinizer	not afaik	00:05
DocScrutinizer	yes, 1.3.3.7-7 is usable	00:05
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DocScrutinizer	no idea about -8 (recent one) been to much concerned it might annoy me	00:06
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kwtm	Ok. Will keep searching. I don't have to upgrade, so I'll watch for a stable version. MohammadAG, if you're listening: I do appreciate your work; I'm just looking for a way to jump in at the right moment. If I can't install an earlier version, I'll look for the right version to be current before installing "current" version.	00:06
merlin1991	kwtm: 20.2010.36-maemo13 is -7	00:06
merlin1991	and doesn't have the qt bug	00:06
merlin1991	it got introduced in -8	00:07
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: Yes, I remember your question about highlighting.	00:07
kwtm	merlin1991: Understood, but can I install -7? Or must it be the current version? I'm hoping for a "download this version" to install so I can pick my own version.	00:07
kwtm	merlin1991: It looks very tempting, especially the rotation support and zoom in/out.	00:07
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DocScrutinizer	selecting version would be awesome. I guess the apt-wizards can do	00:08
merlin1991	you could add the repo manually, look through what the enabler does and do that but install a specific version of mp-fremantle-community-pr	00:08
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kwtm	Ahh... so, unlike upgrading from 1.2 to 1.3, this CSSU is actually an apt-get thing that will replace the relevant parts without reflashing. I guess I could brush up on my dpkg-pin-fu and get the exact version that I want. Will look for more info on the repository --you happen to have it? I've just got the "ultra-idiot-friendly" instructions "click here and follow all prompts" thing from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU so I	00:11
kwtm	want to look for a few more details first.,	00:11
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merlin1991	the repo is at http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/	00:12
merlin1991	and each version of the cssu has the metapackage (mp-fremantle-community-pr) that pulls in all the cssu stuff	00:13
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, and you'd hope the metapkg pulls in that particular version, not newest one (e.g of Qt)	00:16
merlin1991	well with -7 he avoids that already	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	but as I understand the package management, it frequently purges older pkg versions	00:17
merlin1991	-7 doesn't depend on qt	00:17
DocScrutinizer	yes, as Qt4.7.2 is new on -8	00:17
DocScrutinizer	but what's with a new version of e.g hildon-desktop	00:17
* merlin1991 has a look at the metapackage		00:18
rm_work	so, i never actually set up the community SSU	00:19
rm_work	is it highly recommended?	00:19
DocScrutinizer	not yet	00:19
rm_work	still WIP?	00:19
DocScrutinizer	still in 'testing' ;-P	00:19
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DocScrutinizer	and by the rate they import new stuff introducing new bugs, they will promote to -devel eventually	00:20
DocScrutinizer	;D	00:20
MohammadAG	kwtm, sup	00:20
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kwtm	MohammadAG: Nothing much, wanted to thank you again for all the work you put into N900.	00:21
kwtm	MohammadAG: I was just reading the PortraitMode page of the wiki and still shaking my head at how much of the built-in system components don't support portrait mode.	00:21
MohammadAG	you're welcome :)	00:22
MohammadAG	And yeah, Nokia did fuck up somewhere	00:22
kwtm	i have the impression --correct me if I'm wrong-- that official Nokia software was just sort of "here you go, here's a sandbox to play with" and just depended on the free work of volunteers to make the N900 a useful device.	00:22
MohammadAG	Portrait mode was somewhat planned	00:22
DocScrutinizer	not been part of product requirements	00:22
DocScrutinizer	nope	00:22
DocScrutinizer	obviously it wasn't	00:22
kwtm	... and in fact this is exactly what happened except even before the N900 can come to really shine, Nokia won't be supporting Maemo any more.	00:22
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, yes, but hildon-* does have code for some portrait support	00:22
zakkkkm_	i really like the default maemo :)	00:22
MohammadAG	example; why did they code the background image rotation	00:23
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: I guess ... but, boy would it have been nice to have portrait. :P	00:23
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MohammadAG	when you're in portrait mode, the background is rotated by 90 deg	00:23
zakkkkm_	hey is meego worth trying yet?	00:23
MohammadAG	hildon-control-panel devs wanted portrait plugins, never got them	00:23
kwtm	zakkkkm_: Well, that's hardly the point. I mean, you either plan to have portrait mode or you don't; the fact that some/many/most people don't need portrait mode doesn't mean "gee, we'll implement a crummy portrait mode" since (imho) it really holds back the N900.	00:24
MohammadAG	https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-control-panel/blobs/master/src/hcp-window.c#line843	00:24
zakkkkm_	its probably just me, but besides the phone app .. portrait mode looks awful	00:24
kwtm	Right now, for example, the N900 is really geared toward people who want to use it with two hands, in landscape mode. That self-selects a certain class of users.	00:24
zakkkkm_	especially in changing open apps	00:24
zakkkkm_	but it always has	00:25
MohammadAG	Qt apps suck when rotating	00:25
MohammadAG	the rest are quite fast	00:25
kwtm	zakkkkm_: Exactly: it looks awful. So when they say "we have portrait mode" it seems like just going through the motions so people can't criticze them for not having it.	00:25
zakkkkm_	and not everybody wants portrait mode. you buy a device for what it has and what it may have	00:26
kwtm	Another case in point (not a complaint to MohammadAG and I don't expect the community to put the work into resolving this) the on-screen keyboard SUCKS. Sure, you have the slide-out, but now you're forced to use it.	00:26
zakkkkm_	in no way did nokia , as far as i know.. show that it had portrait mode for its apps except phone app	00:26
MohammadAG	it's closed source sadly	00:26
MohammadAG	most parts that suck are closed source	00:26
DocScrutinizer	maybe there's been plans for portrait mode, but realizing how much trouble it gets them and how fuggly it looks they binned it	00:26
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zakkkkm_	but did they ever show it had onscreen or anything?	00:26
zakkkkm_	any images or promotional videos?	00:26
zakkkkm_	any text saying as such?	00:26
kwtm	zakkkkm_: Ahh, my point exactly: suppose a person needed portrait mode, but also wants the N900. He might say, "Oh, the N900 has portrait mode" and then get it only to find out that portrait mode is limited.	00:26
MohammadAG	may I ask who added the uninstall part in the CSSU page?	00:27
MohammadAG	if they're here anyway	00:27
MohammadAG	http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Uninstall <-- they're uninstalling mcsp, which isn't part of the CSSU	00:27
zakkkkm_	MohammadAG: cant you go through history?	00:27
DocScrutinizer	LOL	00:28
kwtm	zakkkkm_: You're kidding, right? The promotional video shows portrait and landscape mode, and you're saying "But we never said it had portrait mode other than the phone"? If the onscreen keyboard works except for the Z Q X and V keys, would you say "we never promised you that those keys worked --the promotional videos only showed the other keys working"?	00:28
* MohammadAG clicks history		00:28
MohammadAG	Tomchiverton <-- not anyone I know from here/tmo	00:28
kwtm	MohammadAG: Where's the CSSU repository? The wiki page keeps referring to it without actually giving the URL. Would like to add it so I can browse what's in it. If it's not already in the wiki, might also be a good idea to add it.	00:28
DocScrutinizer	kwtm: a common problem when product requirement specs are flaky	00:28
MohammadAG	kwtm, http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/	00:29
merlin1991	btw DocScrutinizer if you're scared about old versions getting purged from the repo, use http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community-testing/ instead :D	00:29
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: I guess it's the corner cases. But it's just such a pity when you have such a capable developer community but the company decides not to support it. Well, I guess there's a reason behind thir actions.	00:29
kwtm	MohammadAG: Thx.	00:29
merlin1991	I don't run the cleanup scripts on it :)	00:29
MohammadAG	FYI, repo browsing is disabled	00:29
MohammadAG	(I didn't ask for that)	00:29
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: \o/	00:29
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merlin1991	there's a complete mirror of extras and -devel too	00:30
kwtm	MohammadAG: What I mean is update repository, and then apt-get update and then apt-cache search to look for what version I can install. Will I be able to install an older version of 1.3.3.7?	00:30
MohammadAG	merlin1991, the CSSU repository is quite primitive compared with extras-devel	00:30
merlin1991	I know	00:30
MohammadAG	it doesn't cleanup, if I send the same version the package gets corrupt etc	00:30
MohammadAG	kwtm, sure :)	00:30
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: you're AWESOME	00:30
MohammadAG	you can actually hand pick the packages you want	00:30
MohammadAG	apt pinning should help with that	00:31
MohammadAG	tbh, I'm considering making HAM show * packages for upgrades, not just user/* packages	00:31
MohammadAG	that way, we get rid of the metapackage crap that debian/ubuntu don't support from	00:31
MohammadAG	suffer*	00:32
DocScrutinizer	well, buntkuh has other things it suffers from, just enough ;-P	00:32
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: that mirror is already 79GB big :D	00:32
DocScrutinizer	friggin scary, but I guess I could even restore a a pr1.2 backup from there	00:33
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, debian doesn't :p	00:33
kwtm	MohammadAG: did apt-pinning a long time ago for my ubuntu system --probably need a refresher which I will look for on the web. Meanwhile: is this right?: so I add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager (or a new file in the same directory) saying "deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free" ?	00:33
MohammadAG	I'd add it in sources.list directly	00:34
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kwtm	merlin1991: Whoa, almost missed your URL there. WIll check it out. Whose server is it on? Yours?	00:34
MohammadAG	the ham file is rewritten at some point using an xml file	00:34
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merlin1991	kwtm: mine	00:34
kwtm	merlin1991: Thanks!	00:34
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kwtm	MohammadAG: Yeah, i noticed that repositories I commented out under HAM just don't show up at all within that file. However, sources.list is blank. I figured if I'm editing it, I might as well add a new file, like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/more_user_repositories and maybe HAM won't mess around with it.	00:36
kwtm	MohammadAG: But what I mean is, the words following the repository URL should be "fremantle-1.3 free non-free"? Or just "fremantle" and omit the "-1.3"?	00:36
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MohammadAG	oh, sec	00:37
MohammadAG	deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free	00:37
kwtm	Oh, I see, it's whatever's listed under $URL/pool	00:37
DocScrutinizer	l8r o/	00:39
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kwtm	Oh dear. GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5D0E7C4F2E6D6F9A I suppose the key is somewhere on the web?	00:46
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kwtm	Hmm... google says it isn't; it's just downloaded when I use the Community Testing installer. I guess I should use that installer, then; people have certainly put enough effort into setting it up.	00:48
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, someone picked up kernel-power	00:51
MohammadAG	kwtm, the error is more of a warning, the community-ssu-enabler installs it, sec	00:52
merlin1991	rly?	00:52
MohammadAG	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879	00:52
* merlin1991 doesn't belive		00:52
* MohammadAG gets his AK-47		00:52
MohammadAG	merlin1991, second thoughts?	00:52
merlin1991	fake	00:53
merlin1991	;)	00:53
MohammadAG	the gun? no, it fires lasers	00:53
MohammadAG	kwtm, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst#line47	00:53
* merlin1991 grabs steyr aug, wanna have 200m duel? :D		00:53
merlin1991	jokes aside, how serious is the guy?	00:53
MohammadAG	he seems to know shit about kernels :p	00:54
MohammadAG	checked his post history etc	00:55
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of rewriting the battery applet in C, wanna help?	01:01
kwtm	MohammadAG: Is that the status indicator for the battery? If so, may I informally submit a request here?	01:01
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: sure	01:01
kwtm	Please make it so that the battery icon changes colour when charging, so it's obvious at a glance that it's charging, without waiting to see if that apparently "low on battery" icon is actually a "in a few seconds I'm going to change to a not-so-low on battery icon if you keep staring at me for 10 seconds" icon?	01:02
MohammadAG	kwtm, yeah	01:02
DocScrutinizer51	brilliant idea, we could make it play nice with h-e-n as well	01:02
MohammadAG	yeah	01:02
MohammadAG	there's already a rewrite, but it's in python, sucks memory and battery life	01:03
kwtm	I actually think it's a UI design flaw to have any sort of animated icon on a "status line", but I'll be happy if you just make (i dunno) the outline blue or some other obvious change. Thanks!	01:03
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kwtm	lol, the battery indicator applet sucks battery life. ! :)	01:03
MohammadAG	kwtm, a static indicator would be doable	01:03
MohammadAG	well, python does :p	01:03
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, so there's a way to interface with it without bme?	01:03
MohammadAG	(and with C)	01:03
kwtm	MohammadAG: That would be great, to have static. If the static indicator also shows how much the battery is charged (rather than just charging) that would be nice, but I really want to strangle the person who thought that the "charging" indicator should look exactly like the "50% battery left" indicator.	01:04
DocScrutinizer51	I'm wsalking - later	01:04
MohammadAG	hah	01:04
MohammadAG	kwtm, a USB cable on top of the battery full indicator could be helpful	01:05
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MohammadAG	anyway, /me starts on GUI	01:05
kwtm	I just wrote a battery indicator in bash: suckbattery --howfast=all && echo Your battery is dead	01:05
MohammadAG	and /me hates GObject	01:05
MohammadAG	lol	01:05
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ksatan73	hi can someone help me format the nokia n900 please	01:11
ksatan73	i have pressed U and i see the USB logo and nokia logo what do i have to do next?	01:12
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merlin1991	~flashing	01:14
infobot	flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	01:14
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ksatan73	i have downloaded the flasher	01:15
ksatan73	what next	01:16
jacekowski	rtfm	01:16
ksatan73	i have installed it on my pc	01:16
ksatan73	sorry i m a noob at it	01:16
jacekowski	then read the manual	01:17
jacekowski	you can't break your phone if you do something wrong	01:17
ksatan73	i have opened the flasher	01:17
ksatan73	is there a command i have to put there	01:17
jacekowski	read the manual	01:17
jacekowski	~flashing	01:17
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	01:17
ksatan73	what manual?	01:17
jacekowski	it's all in there	01:17
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kwtm	MohammadAG: so, if I install only the package "mp-fremantle-community-pr" then that will be sufficient to upgrade to 1.3.3.7? Or is there another package I also need to install?	01:21
ksatan73	jacekowski i need ur help please	01:22
ksatan73	can u pm me	01:22
dotblank	MohammadAG, Do you know if anywork has been done with that vkbd library	01:23
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dotblank	I'd rather use it instead of my current implementation	01:24
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ksatan73	i thought this was a help channel	01:25
MohammadAG	kwtm, sufficient	01:25
MohammadAG	dotblank, what library?	01:25
jacekowski	ksatan73: help, not spoonfeed	01:26
jacekowski	ksatan73: have you read that page?	01:26
dotblank	I remember awhile back a group of people wanted a vertical virtual keyboard.	01:26
dotblank	you told them to look at my application	01:26
dotblank	do you remember the name of the project?	01:26
BCMM	ksatan73: you realise this is an IRC channel with volunteers, right?	01:26
BCMM	i mean, not like paid phone support or something	01:26
ksatan73	yes	01:27
ksatan73	i understand that	01:27
kwtm	MohammadAG: Thx. Am reading up on man apt_preferences and preparing to pin the version to 1.3.3.7-6.5. Btw, thx for always being available and helpful with straight, to-the-point answers. I know the temptation is always there to poke a bit of fun at the noobs, and I've never seen you do that. Much appreciated.	01:27
ksatan73	i m asking a simple question and i keep on getting a link	01:27
jacekowski	ksatan73: have you read it?	01:27
ksatan73	if i was able to understand everything on it i wouldn't be here asking a question	01:27
jacekowski	ksatan73: all answers are there	01:27
BCMM	ksatan73: well, you see, that link has your answer	01:27
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BCMM	ksatan73: oh, ok. why not explain which bit of that page is confusing?	01:28
ksatan73	i have done it once i just can't remmebr how i did it	01:28
ksatan73	my camera is not working now	01:28
ksatan73	and iw as told i need to format it	01:28
BCMM	ksatan73: you want to reflash the device, right?	01:28
ksatan73	yes	01:29
BCMM	ksatan73: which OS are you using on your PC?	01:29
ksatan73	windows	01:29
ksatan73	xp	01:29
BCMM	ksatan73: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900_2 ?	01:29
BCMM	if so, at which point did you have a problem?	01:29
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dotblank	Ah I think it was portrtait keyboard	01:30
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jacekowski	BCMM: at reading it probably	01:35
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ksatan73	BCMM Mohammadag is helping me	01:49
ksatan73	thanks	01:49
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kwtm	Hmm.... my /etc/apt/preferences pinning settings don't seem to be working. Still experimenting ... :P	01:58
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MohammadAG	kwtm, last part in the first post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599	02:01
* MohammadAG hates having to read docs		02:02
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kwtm	Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.	02:03
infobot	kwtm: sure thing	02:03
kwtm	infobot: What? I wasn't talking to you. Go back to being a bot.	02:03
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DocScrutinizer	WHAT?	02:05
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DocScrutinizer	thank you	02:05
DocScrutinizer	Thank you	02:05
DocScrutinizer	WTF?	02:05
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MohammadAG	kwtm, tbh, I never got priority, 1001 seems to always work	02:06
MohammadAG	Thank you, DocScrutinizer.	02:06
MohammadAG	meh	02:06
MohammadAG	kwtm, say that last line again :p	02:06
MohammadAG	the one that triggered infobot	02:06
merlin1991	#maemo wants to know about the dark side of infobot :D	02:07
kwtm	MohammadAG: Right. The man apt_preferences doc in Ubuntu seems to work, although it says "Priority:" and even the Ubuntu wiki says "Pin-Priority:". I already know that 1001 is what I want (for 500-1000, then it's "upgrade unless it's in the main distro" or something.) Okay, here, I'm going to stimulate infobot again.	02:07
kwtm	Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.	02:07
infobot	no problem, kwtm	02:07
kwtm	THere you go. Did I say the hypnotic trigger by accident or something?	02:07
MohammadAG	Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.	02:07
infobot	sure thing, MohammadAG	02:07
MohammadAG	LMFAO	02:08
merlin1991	Thank you, MohammadAG. I'm just testing infobot	02:08
merlin1991	that's not it :D	02:08
kwtm	What is it? I named some pathname or something?	02:08
MohammadAG	it's the whole thing	02:08
kwtm	Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref	02:08
infobot	kwtm: pas de quoi	02:08
MohammadAG	kwtm, no, you triggered infobot somehow	02:08
kwtm	Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority",	02:08
kwtm	and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref	02:08
MohammadAG	ah	02:08
MohammadAG	apt	02:08
DocScrutinizer	apt	02:08
merlin1991	thank you apt	02:09
infobot	merlin1991: de rien	02:09
MohammadAG	thank you apt	02:09
Gh0sty	:D	02:09
infobot	MohammadAG: sure thing	02:09
merlin1991	there we go :D	02:09
kwtm	what, anything containing "thank you" and "apt"?	02:09
Gh0sty	thank you something something apt	02:09
infobot	bitte, Gh0sty	02:09
MohammadAG	thank you some epically long sentence containing weird words, apt	02:09
infobot	MohammadAG: no problem	02:09
kwtm	?? Where did that come from? Interesting.	02:09
merlin1991	thank not you apt, you know you're not meant	02:09
infobot	merlin1991: bitte	02:09
merlin1991	:D	02:09
DocScrutinizer	apt == infobot	02:09
MohammadAG	kwtm, infobot's name is apt	02:09
Gh0sty	the bot is weird! :)	02:09
kwtm	ohh!!!!	02:09
MohammadAG	apt, nuke world	02:10
kwtm	You should name it "the" instead. Then it'll NEVER get triggered! :P	02:10
* merlin1991 wonders if you can tell to stfu		02:10
DocScrutinizer	thank you infobot	02:10
MohammadAG	I wonder how to set alignment in applets	02:10
DocScrutinizer	;-P	02:10
MohammadAG	merlin1991, I think so	02:10
MohammadAG	infobot, shut up	02:11
infobot	as you wish, master mohammadag	02:11
MohammadAG	what if it commits suicide now?	02:11
SpeedEvil	http://samy.pl/androidmap/	02:11
SpeedEvil	router-lookup to geolocation	02:11
merlin1991	infobot: I'm your dark lord	02:11
kwtm	MohammadAG: then we would thank it. :)	02:11
merlin1991	didn't work :P	02:12
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kwtm	Ok, if anyone cares: N900's apt system ignores /etc/apt/preferences.d/* so we have to put things in /etc/apt/preferences	02:13
kwtm	I think I'll post it in the wiki or forum just so this doesn't get lost.	02:14
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Gh0sty	teach it to infobot :P	02:16
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kwtm	LOL. I just tried to apt-get install something, and out of ubuntu habit I put "sudo <command>" even though I was logged in as root on my N900. It said: "root is not in the sudoers file --this incident will be reported!"	02:22
kwtm	Naughty root, what do you think you're doing, trying to execute a privileged command!	02:22
MohammadAG	yeah, I notice that too :P	02:22
MohammadAG	just run "root" as root	02:23
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, and I have to deal with those billions of reports ;-P	02:24
MohammadAG	I can't figure out how to align shit in gtk	02:25
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MohammadAG	anyway	02:25
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, how do we get battery life? bme? hal?	02:25
DocScrutinizer	for now? hal/dbus	02:26
DocScrutinizer	there's a pretty decent signal on dbus, for changed bat capacity %	02:26
DocScrutinizer	even telling about new capacity%	02:27
DocScrutinizer	so all you need to do is listen for this signal	02:28
kwtm	I've never quite figured out exactly what it takes for my N900 to turn back on after turning it off. The first time I press the power button it almost never turns on. Does it always ignore the first time or is there some lock-out time to prevent unintentional turn-on? Hmm....	02:28
kwtm	MohammadAG: Thought you were a Qt guy and Maemo now has Qt. Why run in GTK? Because the status indicator is GTK?	02:28
DocScrutinizer	press power button until white light full on, then wait	02:28
merlin1991	because applets in qt load slow	02:28
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: he says after turning off	02:29
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I know, but the first time I always hold it down for, like, forever and it doesn't respond. The second time it works right away.	02:29
merlin1991	I have that too	02:29
merlin1991	I hold it an nothing happens	02:29
FireFly\|n900	Yeah	02:29
kwtm	merlin1991: I think it has a mood sensor. The more of a hurry I am in, the less likely it turns on.	02:29
merlin1991	screen off seems to be != realy off	02:29
DocScrutinizer	device takes like 30s to really shut off	02:29
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: So, effectively, a time-out then. Ok.	02:30
MohammadAG	kwtm, applets are in Gtk	02:30
MohammadAG	merlin1991, I'm pretty I haven't seen any status area applets in Qt	02:30
merlin1991	MohammadAG: "I'm pretty", pics or it didn't happen ;)	02:30
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	02:31
DocScrutinizer	I thought you're my father	02:31
merlin1991	o_O	02:31
merlin1991	how come?	02:31
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG, not you	02:31
merlin1991	ah :D	02:31
DocScrutinizer	see his avatar	02:31
merlin1991	makes more sense :D	02:31
merlin1991	doesn't he have that killzone pic everywhere?	02:32
MohammadAG	pretty sure	02:32
MohammadAG	fu :P	02:32
MohammadAG	merlin1991, you know kz?	02:32
MohammadAG	I thought you hated consoles :p	02:32
merlin1991	that doesn't prevent me from knowing stuff about my enemy, or? :D	02:33
MohammadAG	also, why the f does the battery applet have 3 hours remaining in it	02:33
MohammadAG	string the .so file	02:33
MohammadAG	merlin1991, so you're a spy?	02:33
sid_	its funny	02:33
merlin1991	I'd go for non-console gamer, but spy can be right too ;)	02:34
merlin1991	also holy crap we're way off topic here :D	02:34
MohammadAG	so? :P	02:34
DocScrutinizer	yeah, actually...	02:35
DocScrutinizer	got another access list entry, out of thin air today. And I even replied "thank you", nfc why	02:35
kwtm	merlin1991: Non-console gamer? You mean, like Zork, or text-mode boggle?	02:37
merlin1991	I mean like w:et, tc:e, and atm swkotor	02:38
MohammadAG	merlin1991, get portal 2 nao	02:39
merlin1991	I have it	02:39
merlin1991	portal too :)	02:39
merlin1991	you got it?	02:39
MohammadAG	cool, then we can coop when I get it :p	02:39
merlin1991	I still have to try the coop :D	02:40
MohammadAG	nah, couldn't find it yet, but I finished story mode	02:40
* MohammadAG couldn't wait for it, so he admits getting it in wrong ways until it arrives		02:40
kwtm	merlin1991: young whippersnapper. Get off my lawn! Back to text mode portal. /me types in "fire gun to sw and jump"	02:40
merlin1991	the humor in it is simply awesome :D	02:40
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MohammadAG	pota...	02:40
MohammadAG	nevermind, spoilers :p	02:41
merlin1991	kwtm: kings quest 2?	02:41
MohammadAG	merlin1991, I didn't expect the ending	02:41
kwtm	merlin1991: I'm still trying to solve the original zork. Kings quest 2 has graphics --too distracting. (Yes, graphics are about 320x240)	02:42
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merlin1991	well that's about the oldest game I have :D	02:42
kwtm	My first game was Adventure, and we didn't have a personal computer yet. It was played on one of those printing terminals that you hook up by acoustic coupler modem to my dad's mainframe at work.	02:43
kwtm	I love that "Still Alive" song, though. It was hilarious.	02:44
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MohammadAG	Still Alive pwns the new one	02:44
MohammadAG	"That's what I'm counting on" I think	02:45
MohammadAG	nah, "Want you gone"	02:45
kwtm	Do you have to get a second player to play Portal 2?	02:46
merlin1991	no	02:46
merlin1991	it has a sp campaign too	02:46
kwtm	ah.	02:46
merlin1991	but I did beat it in 5 hrs	02:46
merlin1991	it's 2 seperate campaigns	02:46
MohammadAG	merlin1991, did you know coop's cross platform?	02:47
merlin1991	nope	02:48
MohammadAG	PS3 <=> PC	02:48
MohammadAG	The PS3 can login with Steam :P	02:48
merlin1991	awesome :)	02:48
MohammadAG	if you buy the PS3 version you get a free PC copy	02:48
MohammadAG	so you know which version I'm buying :p	02:49
kwtm	In 1.3.3.7, does "force all apps to autorotate" just mean that Shift-Ctrl-R will work even if the app says it doesn't like to auto-rotate, or does it turn on auto-rotate all the time?	02:49
kwtm	MohammadAG: Steam works on PS3? I didn't know that.	02:49
MohammadAG	kwtm, ctrl+shift+r is applied to all windows	02:49
MohammadAG	kwtm, Valve made it part of Portal 2	02:49
MohammadAG	kwtm, http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/ps3-portal-2-to-come-with-free-pcmac-version-cross-platform-play.ars	02:50
kwtm	MohammadAG: Wonderful. That's exactly what I want. <deleted comment about how the FOSS community has a better idea than Nokia of what the user wants. .... must .. resist .. ragging on Nokia ...>	02:50
kwtm	MohammadAG: THat's great. I'm just waiting for the Ubuntu port of Portal now. :)	02:50
kwtm	Actually, who am I kidding? I can't even make it past the first level of tetris.	02:51
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: could you set /cs access #maemo infobot +vV please? I'm missing +f so can't do it	02:51
* kwtm types "shift piece of left. Now! Now!"		02:51
kwtm	s/of/to/	02:51
infobot	kwtm meant: Actually, who am I kidding? I can't even make it past the first level to tetris.	02:51
MohammadAG	I'd install Windows for Portal	02:51
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, did you see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 btw?	02:51
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DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: actually /cs access #maemo infobot VOP or sth	02:52
merlin1991	kwtm: portal != tetris, portal works with trial and error while tetris requires insane skill :)	02:52
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kwtm	YESSS!!!! Portrait mode!! Finally!!!!!! Thank you thank you thank you MohammadAG	02:54
MohammadAG	thank thp	02:54
kwtm	and everyone else too, I mean. Anyone else here work on 1.3.3.7? DocScrutinizer?	02:54
MohammadAG	oh, he's not on #maemo anymore	02:54
kwtm	thank you thp	02:54
kwtm	~seen thp	02:54
MohammadAG	kwtm, contributors in Settings -> About Community SSU	02:54
infobot	thp is currently on #meego, last said: 'w00t_: good - it's a planned outage :)'.	02:54
kwtm	!seen thp	02:54
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: have YOU seen this thread? ;-D what's with maintainership takeover now, for PK?	02:56
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DocScrutinizer	~seen t-tan	02:56
infobot	t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 318d 4h 15m 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.	02:56
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, pali seems to have taken over it, but he thought he needed to wait for his maintainer request to upload the new packages	02:56
MohammadAG	hopefully he'll see my last post	02:57
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, titan is dead, in tmo's terms anyway	02:57
DocScrutinizer	that's what she said	02:57
MohammadAG	I... didn't get that one	02:57
DocScrutinizer	~botsnack	02:57
infobot	DocScrutinizer: aw, gee	02:57
DocScrutinizer	~attack MohammadAG	02:58
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG		02:58
kwtm	infobot is female?	02:58
* infobot confuses all the nearby males		02:58
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kwtm	vim in portrait mode ftw! :) lol	02:59
Gh0sty	ofcourse all bots are female	02:59
Gh0sty	computers are too	02:59
MohammadAG	GLaDOS <3	02:59
Gh0sty	http://wbenton.tripod.com/humor/Jokeindex602.html	03:00
merlin1991	MohammadAG: agreed	03:00
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Gh0sty	but no cake at the end of portal 2 :-(	03:00
Gh0sty	disappointed	03:00
DocScrutinizer	that's to compensate with razorsharp binary logic the lack of understanding of the usual female logic. So the average male mind keeps flexible and optimistic ;-D	03:01
GeneralAntilles	Gh0sty, yes, but animal king!	03:01
Gh0sty	heh ... a network course containing an ip address: ‎10.7.28.277	03:02
Gh0sty	where did we go wrong :/	03:02
kwtm	Gh0sty: It's the 16-bit IP address. :)	03:03
Gh0sty	yeah sure	03:03
kwtm	It's for the very advanced.	03:03
Gh0sty	hmm good point actually	03:03
Gh0sty	looking into ipv6	03:03
Gh0sty	wonder how well n900 will cope :)	03:03
Gh0sty	but first gotta get native ipv6 from my provider	03:04
Gh0sty	the promised Q2 of this year	03:04
Gh0sty	well they have 2 months left :P	03:04
Gh0sty	hope they fix it in Q2 :)	03:04
MohammadAG	merlin1991, when was the Portal 1 ending changed?	03:05
DocScrutinizer	I'm quite unhappy with infobot almost seems the only female character left on this chan	03:05
merlin1991	never	03:05
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DocScrutinizer	~seen rvdkathy	03:06
infobot	DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'rvdkathy'	03:06
DocScrutinizer	errr	03:06
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DocScrutinizer	~seen tealbird	03:07
infobot	tealbird <~poisonivy@70-36-184-147.dsl.static.sonic.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 126d 14h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'The irony being I was prepping to set up nightly backups when this happened'.	03:07
merlin1991	Doc, it's one of the classic rules of the internet: "there are no women on the internetz"	03:08
Gh0sty	lol :D	03:08
DocScrutinizer	yeah	03:08
Gh0sty	nice punch line there :)	03:08
Gh0sty	oh btw	03:09
Gh0sty	when trying to install backupmenu	03:09
Gh0sty	it comes saying like I will destroy my phone since it uses something something	03:09
Gh0sty	is it safe?	03:09
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DocScrutinizer	yyes	03:09
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Gh0sty	or will it explode and leave the rest of this hemisphere in a nuclear winter?	03:10
DocScrutinizer	that's a bogus warning about I2Ctools, no?	03:10
Gh0sty	yes something like that	03:10
DocScrutinizer	nevermind	03:10
Gh0sty	not sure how I2C could destroy mankind	03:10
DocScrutinizer	only if your BT in N900 controls the US nuke arsenal	03:11
* Gh0sty considers		03:11
sid_	help	03:11
merlin1991	who knows, maybe the big red button is a bluetooth device	03:11
merlin1991	~asking	03:11
infobot	if you have a question, don't ask "does anybody know about foo", don't ask if you can ask it... just ask it.. if somebody knows, they'll answer :) Just don't repeat your question	03:11
Gh0sty	always wondered what that "do not connect to this" device would be :p	03:12
merlin1991	do we have a ~help too?	03:12
DocScrutinizer	~question	03:12
infobot	question is probably If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html	03:12
DocScrutinizer	~+help	03:12
infobot	I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"	03:12
infobot	37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, babelfish, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat	03:12
infobot	39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection, rename	03:12
infobot	31 topics: reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf	03:12
merlin1991	~wtf	03:12
dotblank	where can I find the wiki	03:13
dotblank	hmmm	03:13
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: fail	03:13
merlin1991	wiki.maemo.org?	03:13
DocScrutinizer	~wtf wtf	03:13
infobot	WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck	03:13
dotblank	merlin1991, I don't think you get it	03:13
dotblank	~where can I find the wiki	03:13
merlin1991	that'd be ~wcitf	03:13
merlin1991	:D	03:13
DocScrutinizer	lol	03:14
DocScrutinizer	~wiki	03:14
lolcat	merlin1991: No, wciftw	03:14
DocScrutinizer	ouch	03:14
merlin1991	whatever :D	03:14
dotblank	~wciftw	03:14
merlin1991	someone gotta tell apt about the wiki	03:14
dotblank	hmm	03:14
DocScrutinizer	~wiki irc	03:14
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Redirect\|IRC}} {{Selfref\|For IRC channels dedicated to Wikipedia, see }} 'Internet Relay Chat' ('IRC') is a form of real-time Internet text messaging (chat) or synchronous conferencing.{{cite IETF \| rfc = 1459 \| sectionname = Introduction \| section = 1 \| page = 4 \| idanchor = ietf }} It is mainly designed for group communication in discussion forums, called "channels",{{cite IETF \| rfc = ...	03:14
dotblank	~wiki n900	03:14
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N900 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance \| title = Nokia N900 \| image = \| manufacturer = Nokia \| type = Mobile Internet device, handheld computer and smartphone \| media = microSD/microSDHC card{{cite press release\|title=Maemo 5 injects speed and power into mobile computing\|url=http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594\|date=27 August 2009\|publisher=Nokia ...	03:14
DocScrutinizer	~literal wiki	03:15
infobot	"wiki" is "uma teia de informações gerada +- quase "automaticamente", conforme as pessoas escrevem, usando uma sintaxe simples pra escrever os textos; veja a sua história em <http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiHistory>, e a wikipédia em <http://www.wikipedia.org/>"	03:15
dotblank	umm	03:15
merlin1991	~wtf root	03:16
infobot	Gee... I don't know what root means...	03:16
merlin1991	:D	03:16
DocScrutinizer	~root	03:16
infobot	methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.	03:16
DocScrutinizer	infobot: what is root	03:17
infobot	it has been said that root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.	03:17
merlin1991	~ugt	03:17
infobot	ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html	03:17
DocScrutinizer	mhm, g'night	03:17
dotblank	huh	03:18
dotblank	never knew about ugt	03:18
merlin1991	what's	03:18
merlin1991	s/what's/what/	03:18
infobot	merlin1991 meant: what	03:18
dotblank	~foobar	03:18
infobot	$$%$%	03:18
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MohammadAG	<merlin1991> never	03:19
MohammadAG	just read about it	03:19
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MohammadAG	they patched the ending so they can announce Portal 2	03:19
dotblank	its like rewriting history books so a war is justified	03:19
dotblank	bit scary	03:20
dotblank	ok not really	03:21
merlin1991	bit scary? I'd say the usual approach	03:22
MohammadAG	http://i51.tinypic.com/2u7t8xz.jpg	03:23
MohammadAG	how the f do I align that to the left	03:24
MohammadAG	gtk_label_set_justify (GTK_LABEL (plugin->priv->battery_label), GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT);	03:24
MohammadAG	gtk_misc_set_alignment (GTK_MISC (plugin->priv->battery_label), 0, 0.5);	03:24
MohammadAG	tried those	03:24
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: FSCK, make it a button anyway	03:50
DocScrutinizer	we'll need that, for cute things to come	03:51
DocScrutinizer	don't waste a position in a menu for a mere silly display	03:52
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, cute things?	03:52
DocScrutinizer	sure, if only it starts Conly or battery-eye or similar sh*t	03:52
MohammadAG	well, button it is	03:53
DocScrutinizer	but I have better plans for it	03:53
MohammadAG	you saved me a shitload of stuff	03:53
MohammadAG	(HildonButton has a HildonValue or whatever it's called, that can handle "value" text)	03:53
MohammadAG	in short: the bluet text in buttons	03:54
MohammadAG	so I don't need to fit two labels to show "Charging"	03:54
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weed37	MohammadAG, pm	03:55
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frog	evening	04:00
frog	any n810 users about?	04:00
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frog	anyone about?	04:02
MohammadAG	yes for the second part :p	04:02
merlin1991	yes for the 2nd part too	04:03
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weed37	yes for the second part 3	04:04
merlin1991	weed37 ftw	04:04
weed37	:D	04:04
MohammadAG	battery.charge_level.current = 2 (0x2) (int)	04:04
MohammadAG	doesn't that mean I'm below the "Recharge battery" part?	04:05
frog	I have been away from maemo for a year or so... and ... it sorta looks like it died for old devices.	04:05
MohammadAG	I thought it shuts down at 5	04:05
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MohammadAG	ah nvm, battery.reporting.current = 206	04:05
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://i54.tinypic.com/nbdymg.jpg	04:09
frog	im running a 2008OS, and attempting to download from a 2008 repository...	04:11
frog	but the dependancies are all maemo5?	04:12
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: IroN900:~# lshal \|grep batter	04:12
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I know, already saw those :p	04:12
DocScrutinizer	battery.charge_level.design = 8 (0x8) (int)	04:13
DocScrutinizer	battery.charge_level.last_full = 8 (0x8) (int)	04:13
MohammadAG	what's charge_level?	04:13
DocScrutinizer	battery.charge_level.unit = 'bars' (string)	04:14
MohammadAG	8 bars?	04:14
MohammadAG	but there's also percentage battery.charge_level.percentage = 16	04:14
DocScrutinizer	yeah, good for a decent booze eve	04:14
MohammadAG	I checked, it's battery.reporting.current / battery.reporting.design * 100	04:15
MohammadAG	I wonder what battery.remaining_time = 7200 (0x1c20) (int) is though	04:15
DocScrutinizer	nfc, same here	04:16
MohammadAG	7200?	04:17
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:17
MohammadAG	so if we assume that's seconds, it = 120minutes = 2 hours	04:17
MohammadAG	I doubt my 16% can give me 2 hours	04:17
DocScrutinizer	battery.charge_level.percentage = 56 (0x38) (int)	04:17
DocScrutinizer	some of bme's lies	04:18
MohammadAG	I guess that's why the applet has a static 3 hours remaining	04:18
MohammadAG	(besides someone failing at math there)	04:19
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merlin1991	MohammadAG: maths fails are the base of awesome "features", also night	04:28
MohammadAG	night merlin1991 :)	04:29
ShadowJK	the applet updates values when you tap it, and then displays the old values	04:29
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ShadowJK	(N810)	04:30
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ShadowJK	Time remaining was vaguely correct, if you allowed sufficient time to elapse between harassing the battery icon (so that it has sensible estimate of consumption), and with fresh battery	04:33
ShadowJK	fresh as in, my second N810 battery is down to <600mA usable capacity at 350mA load	04:33
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: is any of the regular registers of bq27200 writable now, or not?	04:37
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: >> WRTNAC is used to transfer data from the AR registers to NAC. Other registers are updated as appropriate. This command is useful during the pack manufacture and test to initialize the gauge to match the estimated battery capacity.	04:45
DocScrutinizer	you'd think this ought get done to adjust the chip to a proper 1380mA	04:46
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DocScrutinizer	(or 2200mAh in case of mugen)	04:47
ShadowJK	I use that myself when switching batteries	04:47
ShadowJK	But as everything else, it gets reset to eeprom values in case of powerloss	04:48
DocScrutinizer	hey, why isn't that a parameter in bq27200.sh then ? :-D	04:48
ShadowJK	that's the unpublished writear.sh and ar2nac.sh ;-)	04:48
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	04:48
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ShadowJK	iirc the effect/result of doing it isn't quite as sensible/sane as the datasheet says..	04:50
DocScrutinizer	ummpf	04:50
ShadowJK	iirc you still need 4 learning cycles to go from 2000-something to 1300-something, and even more for mugen -> bl-5j.. But what it does help with is avoiding learning cycle being disqualified for being too far off	04:52
MohammadAG	can I use a % in printf()?	04:52
MohammadAG	g_snprintf (percentage_text, sizeof (percentage_text), "Percentage %d\%", percentage);	04:52
DocScrutinizer	err, don't see the need of 4 learning cycles	04:52
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: % afaik	04:53
DocScrutinizer	err	04:53
DocScrutinizer	%%	04:53
DocScrutinizer	but don't quote me on that	04:53
MohammadAG	oh, thanks	04:53
MohammadAG	nah that was it, ty	04:54
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: what you need however is a rather tricky sequence with mode register and control register to actually write that value from AR to NAC	04:56
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://i55.tinypic.com/20tjptu.jpg	04:59
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: >> DONE is used to write NAC equal to LMD. Useful if the host uses a charge termination method that does not allow the monitor to detect the taper current. The host system could use this command when the charging is complete to force update of internal registers to a full battery condition.	04:59
ShadowJK	iirc just the ar to nac transfer also sets done/vdq	05:01
DocScrutinizer	according to datasheet DONE never gets set by chip	05:02
DocScrutinizer	I2Cset 1 0xD0; I2Cset 0 0xA9	05:04
zakkkkm_	is " Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Optimization Tune-up Utilities" any good?	05:05
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DocScrutinizer	cough never heard	05:07
DocScrutinizer	sounds like windows registry optimizer	05:07
zakkkkm_	heh	05:07
zakkkkm_	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67710	05:07
ShadowJK	well, done is a command to set vdq, but vdq is also set by ar to nac transfer	05:08
zakkkkm_	doesnt show what its doing	05:08
DocScrutinizer	vdq?	05:08
ShadowJK	valid discharge conditions.. thing	05:08
zakkkkm_	is it normal that battery'eye says 1273mah is full charge.. while the battery says 1320?	05:09
DocScrutinizer	no, according to datasheet DONE is for setting NAC to LMD	05:09
ShadowJK	if !vdq then no learning	05:09
ShadowJK	if you reach 6% during discharging, meter stops at 6. If your battery lasts much longer still, at some point VDQ is unset and meter starts running down again towards 0, and no learning takes place	05:10
DocScrutinizer	hmm	05:10
DocScrutinizer	LMD for sure can't be correct without vdq	05:11
DocScrutinizer	but DONE writes LMD to NAC, no matter what	05:12
SpeedEvil	LEarning only happens as it hits 6%	05:13
ShadowJK	sure	05:13
DocScrutinizer	who's talking about learning?	05:13
SpeedEvil	You're supposed to calibrate the battery voltage end of discharge value so that your battery capacity is 6% at that point	05:13
SpeedEvil	It assumes that it's linear below that to the lower threshold IIRC	05:14
ShadowJK	transfering LMD to NAC doesn't have much use	05:14
ShadowJK	the other direction would be cool	05:14
SpeedEvil	But it's been a while	05:14
zakkkkm_	i know why you shouldnt overclock . .but has anyone bricked their n900 by overclocking?	05:16
DocScrutinizer	yes	05:17
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zakkkkm_	i assume LV without overclocking, would cause the same problem?	05:18
zakkkkm_	just trying to think of tweaks :)	05:18
DocScrutinizer	LV as in core voltage SmartReflex setting lower than recommended?	05:19
zakkkkm_	hey can i enable smartreflex?	05:19
zakkkkm_	should i*?	05:20
DocScrutinizer	won't really help to make OC safer, won't save much battery charge either, and will cause instabilities, but otherwise it's completely safe	05:20
ShadowJK	SpeedEvil, in the case of swapping from learned bl-5j to mugen, it counts down to 6% when mugen reaches about 40%	05:20
DocScrutinizer	(LV that is)	05:20
zakkkkm_	DocScrutinizer: was thinking LV, without overclocking. .. just for battery purposes	05:21
DocScrutinizer	and no, as long as Nokia doesn't use SR you shouldn't use it either, as it is allegedly causing instabilities and maybe even hazard for the CPU	05:21
zakkkkm_	have to figure out how to get new stylus heh, lost mine.	05:21
zakkkkm_	maemo sadly getting boring.	05:22
SpeedEvil	ebay!	05:22
zakkkkm_	SpeedEvil: i know, takes long though, and moving soon.. might come when im not here so thinking it semi bad idea	05:22
zakkkkm_	not that it costs much though	05:23
SpeedEvil	Also - you can whittle it out of a small stick.	05:23
SpeedEvil	I've used that.	05:23
zakkkkm_	might grab one of those full housing sets + stylus fro mthe US for like $15	05:24
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SpeedEvil	The 'dummy n900's are completely useless apart from the stylus	05:24
SpeedEvil	everything else is custom, and useless.	05:24
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zakkkkm_	?	05:24
MohammadAG	status-area-applet-battery.c:104: error: invalid storage class for function 'battery_status_plugin_get_values'	05:25
MohammadAG	wtf	05:25
SpeedEvil	There are dummy n900s. They can be cheaper than the plastics sets	05:25
SpeedEvil	they are not the same	05:25
zakkkkm_	http://cgi.ebay.ca/Full-New-Black-faceplate-housing-cover-Nokia-N900-/270562873715?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3efecdd173 i was thinking like this	05:25
DocScrutinizer	try http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ when they got their crap fixed, or http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php	05:25
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zakkkkm_	2 stylus - $8? :p	05:26
DocScrutinizer	well, mine are way more expensive, but made of silver	05:27
zakkkkm_	silver stylus?	05:27
zakkkkm_	real silver?	05:27
DocScrutinizer	sure 999.9	05:27
DocScrutinizer	with diamonds	05:27
zakkkkm_	:)	05:28
DocScrutinizer	you bet you'll never lose that one ;-P	05:29
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zakkkkm_	DocScrutinizer: :)	05:30
zakkkkm_	i dont know how i lost mine :( i always use it and put it back	05:31
zakkkkm_	and it sucks cause im so limited.. cant use easydebian or anything	05:31
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zakkkkm_	not so bad, just use it for a phone mainly. have ipad for big stuff.	05:32
Ken-Young	Does anyone know where the layout information for Maemo 5 desktop shortcuts is stored? In other words, where can I find the X-Y coordinates at which the shortcut icons will appear?	05:33
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MohammadAG	somewhere in gconf	05:35
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MohammadAG	can't remember it off the top of my head	05:35
Ken-Young	MohammadAG, Thanks - I'll snoop around in there.	05:36
MohammadAG	Ken-Young, nevermind, /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets	05:36
MohammadAG	gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets	05:36
Ken-Young	MohammadAG, Great! Thanks a bunch.	05:37
MohammadAG	yw	05:39
MohammadAG	grr	05:41
MohammadAG	I can't get it to update	05:41
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MohammadAG	libhal_ctx_set_device_property_modified (plugin->priv->ctx, battery_status_plugin_hal_property_modified_cb);	05:43
MohammadAG	libhal_device_add_property_watch (plugin->priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, NULL);	05:43
MohammadAG	it should work fine	05:43
DocScrutinizer	hal is dead, it just doesn't know about it	05:44
xd13	anyone else notice more battery drain since the last ssu update	05:44
DocScrutinizer	have to admit I don't know	05:45
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DocScrutinizer	nah	05:50
DocScrutinizer	mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP	05:50
DocScrutinizer	04:49 4143 100 100 -48 1261 1261 1261 65535 1555 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0	05:50
DocScrutinizer	04:50 4153 100 100 -8 1261 1261 1261 65535 8480 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0	05:51
DocScrutinizer	04:50 4153 100 100 -9 1261 1261 1261 65535 7904 28 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0	05:51
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DocScrutinizer	-8, -9mA - pretty decent for standby via WLAN, with active GSM phone	05:51
zakkkkm_	DocScrutinizer: is that with screen off ?	05:52
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DocScrutinizer	sure, lol	05:52
zakkkkm_	i get lower than that, and im on 3g?	05:52
zakkkkm_	get like 6-7 on 3g	05:52
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DocScrutinizer	no WLAN?	05:53
zakkkkm_	no	05:53
zakkkkm_	celluar data	05:53
DocScrutinizer	meh, no	05:53
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zakkkkm_	wifi takes more than celluar?	05:53
DocScrutinizer	no ACTUAL data	05:53
MohammadAG	meh, I'll try to get it working tomorrow	05:53
MohammadAG	bbl in 4 hours	05:53
DocScrutinizer	cya MohammadAG	05:53
SpeedEvil	zakkkkm_: marginally	05:53
SpeedEvil	zakkkkm_: if cellular is in a good area, and not active.	05:54
SpeedEvil	Stationary	05:54
DocScrutinizer	NOT ACTIVE	05:54
zakkkkm_	reminds self never to go in wifi	05:54
DocScrutinizer	yes	05:54
DocScrutinizer	no data, just logged in	05:54
DocScrutinizer	start a ping 8.8.8.8 and current goes thru the roof	05:55
zakkkkm_	have problem myself with using data .. creates crazy high mah	05:55
zakkkkm_	simple surfing , low brightness is like 350-400mah	05:55
DocScrutinizer	while my figures are on a ssh remote terminal, via WLAN	05:55
DocScrutinizer	zakkkkm_: normal	05:56
zakkkkm_	i know.	05:56
zakkkkm_	its my only complaint of battery	05:56
DocScrutinizer	use 2(.5)G	05:56
zakkkkm_	dont do anything else on my phone.. and 6-7mah standby is good enough for me	05:56
zakkkkm_	cant.. only 3g network	05:56
DocScrutinizer	:-S	05:56
zakkkkm_	we in canada are high tech that way	05:57
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zakkkkm_	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_Mobile	05:57
zakkkkm_	if i were to use 2g , it would go in roaming	05:57
DocScrutinizer	you got correct RS on your bq27200.sh?	05:58
SpeedEvil	zakkkkm_: yeah - 3G is painful	05:58
DocScrutinizer	xd13: so the answer is: no known issues with PR1.3	05:58
zakkkkm_	pay $40 a month.. for unlimited data (truly unlimited.. did 38gb one month.. ), unlimited canada and US calling and unlimited global SMS	05:58
DocScrutinizer	and battery endurance	05:59
zakkkkm_	only problem is battery life of 3g	05:59
zakkkkm_	RSOC?	05:59
zakkkkm_	says 100 ?	05:59
DocScrutinizer	RS in script	05:59
zakkkkm_	cant find RS	06:00
DocScrutinizer	o.O	06:00
SpeedEvil	zakkkkm_: That's a good price.	06:00
zakkkkm_	SpeedEvil: http://www.blogcdn.com/mobile.engadget.com/media/2010/12/wind-40-plan.jpg	06:00
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# grep RS= bin/bq27200.sh	06:01
DocScrutinizer	RS=${RS:-22}	06:01
DocScrutinizer	echo "LOOPMODE=$LOOPMODE RS=$RS"	06:01
DocScrutinizer	if you got 30 there, you need to multiply your current values by 1.5	06:02
zakkkkm_	cant grep it	06:02
DocScrutinizer	wonder why	06:03
zakkkkm_	./bq27200.sh \| grep RS .. CSOC: 99% RSOC: 99%	06:05
zakkkkm_	theres no RS=	06:05
DocScrutinizer	sigh	06:05
DocScrutinizer	did you see a pipe symbol in my line quoted above?	06:06
zakkkkm_	i got a bq27000.sh not found from yours	06:06
DocScrutinizer	but ok:	06:06
zakkkkm_	.	06:06
DocScrutinizer	cat ./bq27200.sh \| grep RS	06:06
zakkkkm_	oh right sorry.	06:07
zakkkkm_	wanted contents, not output	06:07
zakkkkm_	RS=20	06:07
DocScrutinizer	ok	06:07
zakkkkm_	sorry, majorly tired.	06:07
DocScrutinizer	np	06:07
zakkkkm_	geting -10 with conversations running .. and a ./bq2700.sh 10	06:09
zakkkkm_	10mah*	06:09
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zakkkkm_	with a ./bq2700.sh 60 .. get 5-6mah	06:18
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ShadowJK	that's very low :	06:33
ShadowJK	:)	06:33
zakkkkm_	ShadowJK: yeh, 3g too .. with IM accounts on in celluar data	06:36
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ShadowJK	impossible :)	06:45
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pupnik	greets	07:16
keks-n	sup	07:17
pupnik	muchas	07:17
pupnik	i watch the sdl-opengl demos	07:18
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pupnik	louei louei	07:54
pupnik	we gatta go	07:54
pupnik	yea yea yea yea	07:54
pupnik	yea yea	07:54
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jaska	richard dean anderson?	11:13
abissom	lol	11:14
abissom	~rda	11:14
abissom	infobot doesn't know	11:14
infobot	doesn't know is probably not at all	11:14
abissom	remote device access	11:16
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rhkfin_	Does anyone know any other options to sync google calendar and Maemo/N900 except the integrated exchange-thing that works only once and then dies and doesn't sync ever any more..	11:42
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piggz	rhkfin_: yes	11:47
piggz	rhkfin_: i use sync evolution on a daily schedule	11:48
piggz	seems to work	11:48
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rhkfin_	sync evolution, will check..	11:48
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rhkfin_	piggz so that syncs directly with Google, over the air?	11:49
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mece	piggz, what do you sync with?	11:50
mece	yay! mBarcode fixed!	11:51
rhkfin_	mece: what do you use mBarcode for? installed & seems to work but haven't figured what to use it for..	11:51
piggz	rhkfin_: yes	11:52
piggz	mece: google	11:52
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rhkfin_	Will try	11:53
rhkfin_	piggz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync/Usage_of_syncevolution#Syncevolution-Frontend says 'Google - NOTE: ONLY CONTACTS CAN BE SYNC'd	11:55
piggz	rhkfin_: oh, hangon...	11:55
piggz	rhkfin_: my bad,.....erminig	11:55
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rhkfin_	ah, right....	11:55
mece	rhkfin_, paying bills	11:56
rhkfin_	mece: interesting!! I've been wondering why bar code scanners are so expensive..	11:57
piggz	rhkfin_: erminig syncs fine, but can only sync daily, not hourly etc..	11:57
rhkfin_	piggz: any idea where's the limitation from?	11:57
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mece	rhkfin_, well it didn't work all that well with the old one because the barcodes on bills are so damn long, the resolution was too low. So I had to take a picture and scan the picture. We discussed it with lardman and he said he'd try to come up with some solution	12:01
rhkfin_	great	12:01
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piggz	rhkfin_: not sure, thats what the gui provides	12:05
rhkfin_	ok	12:06
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rhkfin_	piggz: "Erminig's UI allows the specification of a daily sync at a specified time. For more fine grained control, the command erminig -a can be used with a scheduler such as Alarmed"	12:16
piggz	rhkfin_: ah, cool	12:16
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porcelain	hi	12:25
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MohammadAG	anyone worked with hal before?	12:52
robbiethe1st	Sorry, MohammadAG, I can't let you do that.	12:53
MohammadAG	you're a bit late, I'm already done :p	12:54
MohammadAG	except the property changed signal callback isn't getting through	12:54
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lolcat	MohammadAG: You fixed hal?	12:59
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MohammadAG	lolcat, is it broken?	13:14
lolcat	MohammadAG: HAL is AWFULL	13:14
lolcat	it hangs	13:14
lolcat	it doesn't show programs	13:14
lolcat	It works about 1/4 of the times	13:14
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MohammadAG	lolcat, well that's not my concern :p	13:16
lolcat	MohammadAG: Doh	13:16
lolcat	What are you coding then?	13:16
MohammadAG	I'm rewriting the battery applet http://i55.tinypic.com/20tjptu.jpg	13:16
lolcat	MohammadAG: How can it know how many mAh my battery has?	13:17
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MohammadAG	bme	13:17
MohammadAG	lshal \| grep battery	13:17
lolcat	So I just stick in a random battery and it knows? Oo	13:17
SpeedEvil	It can't	13:18
Svendsen	ls	13:18
SpeedEvil	the battery capacity fromlshal is a lie	13:18
MohammadAG	I thought bme gets confused with fake batteries	13:18
lolcat	My phone won't even charge	13:18
ShadowJK	it gets confused with all batteries	13:19
SpeedEvil	It's gotten fromafixedresistor thatismeasuredbythen900 inthe battery	13:19
SpeedEvil	There is no smart battery readout in the battery at all.	13:19
SpeedEvil	The only way to tell the capacity of the battery wouild be impeddence spectroscdopy	13:19
SpeedEvil	spectroscopy	13:19
SpeedEvil	Or discharging it	13:19
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MohammadAG	anyway, I'm not sure why battery_status_plugin_hal_property_modified_cb isn't being called	13:20
MohammadAG	it's what's basically left, besides sound	13:20
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lolcat	The battery applet uses sound?	13:21
robbiethe1st	Hm... might it not be possible to calculate the capacity(or at least internal resistance) from the voltage drop based on load? That is, over a short period of time, monitor the voltage differences as compared to the load in mA.	13:21
MohammadAG	yes	13:21
MohammadAG	it triggers the Battery low thing	13:21
robbiethe1st	Knowing the original capacity - what the resistor said - you should be able to calculate the current capacityt	13:22
SpeedEvil	robbiethe1st: That is impedence spectroscopy	13:22
SpeedEvil	robbiethe1st: Sort-of	13:22
robbiethe1st	Hm, ok	13:22
SpeedEvil	robbiethe1st: That sort-of-works - but naieve implementations confuse battery age and capacity	13:22
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: are you iusing the battery monitor chip - or believeing BME?	13:23
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer told me to use hal/dbus	13:23
SpeedEvil	Fair enough, for a 0th cut.	13:23
SpeedEvil	Also - anyone can replace.	13:23
robbiethe1st	Also, it would be nice to have it set things to 100% when the battery finishes charging; I mean... it's 100% of the /current/ capacity, more or less	13:23
JHVH-1	my game uses 370mA :(	13:24
MohammadAG	which library plays sound?	13:24
MohammadAG	actually which lib has init_sound, play_sound	13:24
* DocScrutinizer <with a low voice> you called my name?		13:25
MohammadAG	yes :p	13:25
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lolcat	I think I will get a refund for my N900. Should I wait for the N950 or?	13:25
MohammadAG	what N950?	13:25
lolcat	N9?	13:26
MohammadAG	what N9?	13:26
keks-n	There are rumours about a model with Maemo 6 or MeeGo	13:26
lolcat	The next meego/harmattan phone?	13:26
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keks-n	They call it "N950"	13:26
MohammadAG	what next generation phone? :P	13:26
stonda	what harmattan?	13:27
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keks-n	http://www.serbagadget.com/news/nokia-n950-calon-smartphone-meego-pengganti-n900/?lang=en	13:27
lolcat	Not really	13:27
lolcat	I like the N900.	13:27
keks-n	Blah-blah-blah. I don't believe them	13:27
lolcat	A better battery + dual core + 1 gb ram would be nice	13:28
SpeedEvil	The official nokia position is that tehre will be one meego device this year.	13:28
DocScrutinizer	toaster	13:28
SpeedEvil	And then it will be relegated to a research project.	13:28
SpeedEvil	The currentt best guess isthat this will be a phone.	13:28
chem\|st	SpeedEvil: then there will be one harmattan and one meego?!	13:29
SpeedEvil	It could be a t-shirt too of course.	13:29
ShadowJK	lolcat, dude it's Nokia, it'll have half the ram required to run a web browser, or less, like all Nokias to date ;p	13:29
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SpeedEvil	chem\|st: meego is a wierd name.	13:29
stonda	no, a refrigerator	13:29
SpeedEvil	It doesn't mean the same UI and software under it.	13:29
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ShadowJK	actually I think Elop said "MeeGo related" product	13:29
SpeedEvil	harmattan = meego inthis case AIUI	13:29
chem\|st	SpeedEvil: harmattan != meego	13:29
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: indeed	13:29
lolcat	ShadowJK: MeeGo related xD A poster or soemthing	13:30
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SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: At one point inthe talk he did actually confim it was a phone.	13:30
SpeedEvil	Well - to my eyes.	13:30
MohammadAG	Harmattan = MeeGo + some BS	13:30
lolcat	Why doesn't anyone make good phones?	13:30
SpeedEvil	Or someone from nokia during the same announcement.	13:30
chem\|st	MohammadAG: ehrm nope	13:30
MohammadAG	yes	13:30
chem\|st	MohammadAG: I thought harmattan is maemo + some meego BS	13:31
DocScrutinizer	no, but timeless confirmed they didn't change their main development aim	13:31
MohammadAG	it's MeeGo with a custom UI and closed source crap	13:31
ShadowJK	Atleast originally Harmattan was going to be Maemo + MeeGo compat layer..	13:31
DocScrutinizer	hahaha	13:31
SpeedEvil	My hope is that WP7 bombs, and they launch a wider variety of handets with meego.	13:31
SpeedEvil	But...	13:31
chem\|st	MohammadAG: but it's still .deb based, would be wierd to use meego build in .deb	13:31
DocScrutinizer	Qt4.7.2-borked-final	13:31
DocScrutinizer	it'll be a maemo with meego UX and RPM	13:32
DocScrutinizer	and 48963 bugs	13:32
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MohammadAG	Qt 4.7.2 is fine	13:33
ShadowJK	Except MeeGo UX is kinda useless, nobody would actually use that... so what's left if you replace the base with Maemo, and replace the interface and apps with Nokia stuff? All you have left is the MeeGo name :o	13:33
DocScrutinizer	no wait. It will get cancelled in August	13:33
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MohammadAG	building it on x86 works fine	13:33
MohammadAG	armel has issues	13:33
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lolcat	MeeGo has a bad UI?	13:34
MohammadAG	Haha	13:34
MohammadAG	bad is an understatement	13:35
MohammadAG	sure, it looks good, but it lacks way too much	13:35
lolcat	Bah	13:35
mece	hm I wonder if nok is going to close the Salo factory...	13:35
MohammadAG	I have to admit though, the UX libs are epic	13:35
lolcat	I love the maemo UI	13:35
DocScrutinizer	those suckers! instead of opening up the last few bits of maemo, passing it to community, and providing a BSP with all their future smartphones, they repelled all devels from maemo to use meego, and now they give meego a first class funeral	13:35
MohammadAG	(MTF)	13:35
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ShadowJK	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCmCcK_OKw :)	13:37
lolcat	Why won't they open it up if they don't want to use it?	13:37
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keks-n	Hm	13:40
keks-n	fakeroot debian/rules clean	13:40
keks-n	dh clean	13:40
keks-n	Unknown option: w	13:40
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keks-n	wtf	13:41
DocScrutinizer	so now they pay a few poor souls to roll out a hybrid meego-harmattan edition of a maturity way worse than PR1.0 on N900, then say "that's it folks! now we've proven all the FOSS is a delusion. Take it and have fun" - what of course a few morons will do to create a 7th alternative smartphone OS antivendor port that never will fly	13:41
lolcat	What is wrong with N900 maemo?	13:42
DocScrutinizer	I wonder how many billions Samsung paid them to act like this	13:42
lolcat	Sure it has it kinks, but I would't trade it for anything else I have tried...	13:43
keks-n	>> What is wrong with N900 maemo?	13:43
DocScrutinizer	nuttin	13:43
keks-n	It's STILL a fork of Debian Sarge	13:43
lolcat	Would it be a lot of work to swap to Lenny?	13:44
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keks-n	Yep	13:44
lolcat	And still, isn't Sarge stable and nice?	13:44
keks-n	Try to "port" something from Debian experimental repository	13:44
keks-n	Or from squeeze at least	13:44
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lolcat	Stable debian then?	13:44
keks-n	And you will realize, "what's wrong"	13:45
keks-n	Old debhelper, old build tools...	13:45
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DocScrutinizer	that's not a problem of kernel, that's a problem of the closed blobs that won't work on a stock .37	13:45
keks-n	Yep	13:46
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DocScrutinizer	basically it's 'easy' to get newest kernel to run on N900	13:46
keks-n	BTW debian squeeze can run on maemo kernel	13:46
DocScrutinizer	but you also want to use it as a PHONE	13:47
keks-n	Yep	13:47
mece	http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/04/nokia_to_announce_job_cuts_on_wednesday_2542481.html	13:47
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: But to upgrade the system you need to update all packages	13:47
SpeedEvil	With powersaving	13:47
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keks-n	It's possible to bring old closed binaries to the new infrastructure	13:47
keks-n	But it can break a lot of third-party software	13:47
mece	FTFA: "Nokia has reserved the nearly 12,000-seat Turkuhalli for the event" <- now that is some serious job cutting!	13:48
DocScrutinizer	with lots of backports	13:48
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keks-n	Backporting is painful, you know	13:48
SpeedEvil	mece: They also bought 49Kg of HCN	13:48
DocScrutinizer	a PITA	13:48
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lolcat	HCN?	13:49
DocScrutinizer	esp since our kernel devels seem to always take pride in incompatible new APIs	13:49
keks-n	I think it would be easier to make own debian packaging instead of backporting them from upstream	13:49
keks-n	In some cases	13:49
jaska	yeah, i was suggesting it was an ausrottung in turku	13:50
mece	SpeedEvil, HCN?	13:50
jaska	hydrogen cyanide	13:50
lolcat	Is the android phone-stuff open-source?	13:50
mece	ah	13:50
keks-n	lolcat: nope	13:50
lolcat	WebOS phone-stuff?	13:51
keks-n	some proprietary binaries too	13:51
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lolcat	Any open-source implementations of phone-stuff?	13:51
mece	lolcat, WebOS is closed source	13:51
mece	lolcat, MeeGo	13:51
DocScrutinizer	just yesterday I discussed the ALSA fsckup in new kernels on N900, several controls vanished, new ones added, you can't use a statefile of .28-maemo on a plain sane .37 kernel	13:51
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: You work for Nokia?	13:52
DocScrutinizer	--> no sound on calls despite the SHR guys managed to talk to modem now	13:52
ruskie	DocScrutinizer, also on it's own is brain broken	13:53
ruskie	erm alsa even	13:53
DocScrutinizer	alsa has an incredibly clumsy concept, but it works	13:53
DocScrutinizer	pukeaudio doesn't	13:54
keks-n	Latest versions seems to work	13:54
keks-n	But I have no intention of having it even on my laptop	13:54
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ruskie	DocScrutinizer, oss just works ;)	13:54
keks-n	lol	13:55
ruskie	though frankly it seems that all audio systems break something on each update	13:55
* ruskie has been using oss4 on all his systems since they went gpl		13:55
ruskie	othen than maemo5...	13:56
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lolcat	I wish I didn't have to part with my N900	13:57
lolcat	But I will earn a bit on it	13:57
ruskie	why do you need to?	13:57
robbiethe1st	ruskie: seeing as I can't find much information about it, do you know if there's any OSS4 support for hardware MIDI synth?	13:57
ruskie	no clue... never used it...	13:57
lolcat	ruskie: THe charging port is broken again... So it is the 3rd repair	13:57
ruskie	:(	13:58
ruskie	I guess I'm lucky in that regard knock on wood	13:58
robbiethe1st	Same	13:58
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* keks-n have used a file to make the cable leave the port easy		13:58
lolcat	And I want a refund because the shop bullshits me and let me borrow a HTC Magick when I sent it in.	13:58
keks-n	You can still get in at eBay	13:59
keks-n	About $350 with shipment	14:00
lolcat	I know a shop that can get me an unused one with 5 year 'warranty' for about haf I bougth mine for	14:00
robbiethe1st	Make sure to use BackupMenu then. :P	14:00
lolcat	I need a good backup	14:00
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lolcat	Now I have finaly fixed my contacts	14:01
keks-n	MeeGo resque kernel + sd card + dd	14:01
keks-n	best backup way ever	14:01
MohammadAG	dding what?	14:01
MohammadAG	don't dd the mtds	14:01
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keks-n	Ehm. I've dd'ed mtdXro	14:02
ruskie	why?	14:02
* MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer		14:02
keks-n	They seem to be safe for read-only access	14:02
MohammadAG	there are tools to dump/write to MTD blocks	14:02
MohammadAG	dding them can break things	14:03
MohammadAG	(I had to erase my MTD blocks once, after using backupmenu to restore an image)	14:03
keks-n	Ok, you can use tar czf	14:03
DocScrutinizer	YOU SHALL Not dd raw Nan.... cough	14:04
keks-n	And mtdutils to create a flashable rootfs image	14:04
DocScrutinizer	now that'd be awesome	14:05
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DocScrutinizer	happy birthday Chernobyl	14:06
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keks-n	Did you hear about Wormhood star?	14:09
DocScrutinizer	ballpark numbers: (500NPP worldwide * 25Years/Class7 event)^-1 *~100.000 liquidators died = 10 fatalities / NPP-year	14:09
keks-n	The star form the Book of Revelation	14:09
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keks-n	Chernobyl means wormhood in ukrainian	14:10
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keks-n	BTW I still cann't get access to extras-devel. Requested it last thursday -_-	14:13
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cehteh	http://bikerscafeblog.com/2010/07/11/biologic-reecharge-cool/	14:21
cehteh	for the bikers, looks cool	14:21
keks-n	wow	14:22
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DocScrutinizer	meh, the robocop charger	14:22
mece	keks-n, the whah? Wormhood who?	14:25
keks-n	sorry, "wormwood"	14:26
_berto_	you mean wormwood	14:26
keks-n	yep	14:26
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mece	keks-n, ok so what about it?	14:27
keks-n	>> "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." (Revelation 8:10, 11 - KJB).	14:28
SpeedEvil	That actually refers to the Schwepps factory.	14:28
mece	ok.. yes, and what about it?	14:28
trx	lol	14:28
keks-n	>> Chernobyl means wormhood in ukrainian	14:28
keks-n	-_-	14:29
mece	revelations is hilariously trippy btw :D	14:29
keks-n	*wormwood	14:29
RST38h	Are we having an apocalypse universary today?	14:29
mece	keks-n, hah built to fail :D	14:29
* SpeedEvil looks around for Norns.		14:29
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RST38h	anniversary sorry	14:29
keks-n	Something like that	14:30
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: 25y Chernobyl	14:35
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DocScrutinizer	sorry for OT	14:37
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DocScrutinizer	was baffled by my own balpark evaluation of one fatality per month on every nuklear power plant	14:38
mece	DocScrutinizer, is that a lot or a little?	14:40
ShadowJK	the same figure for coal power is something like 20-100 I bet	14:40
DocScrutinizer	which isn't a problem in Russia and China, in EU would reduce the ROI balance of those powerplants by a few percent on usual recompensations about <10^6EUR/fatality, but in USA it might break the power companies' back	14:41
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: 20..100 fatalities per month and coal poer plant? c'mon	14:42
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ShadowJK	oh I thought you meant global fatalities per month	14:43
ShadowJK	not per month per plant	14:43
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: not yet, you have to wait til whole bangladesh gets killed by rising sea due to global warming, then you might reach a 20/plant-month	14:44
ShadowJK	Well I was guessng few hundred coal miner fatalities per year	14:45
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DocScrutinizer	I was guessing a 100.000 liquidators every 25 years	14:46
DocScrutinizer	and a 500 NPPs on earth	14:47
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merlin1991	NPP?	14:50
BCMM	nuclear power plant	14:50
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cityLights	what is the difference between using gobject.timeout_add() and alarmd event?	14:54
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DocScrutinizer	good question. Probably gobject.timeout is a simple kernel timer, while alarmd is a real RTC alarm that fires even when device is shut off	15:01
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cityLights	thanks	15:03
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ShadowJK	<ShadowJK> heh. that's amusing.. I set out a sequence of web tasks to complete, timed it with different devices and browsers, /ignoring/ browser startup time	15:15
ShadowJK	<ShadowJK> N810 MicroB: 2.5 minutes. N900/M5 MicroB: 1.5m, N900/M5 Opera: 1m, N900/M5 Fennec: 2.5m	15:15
ShadowJK	To be fair, N810 cheated a bit. on N900 I have to zoom in/out, but not on N810	15:16
SpeedEvil	On the maemo wiki - is there a way to get a list of a users edits?	15:17
SpeedEvil	nvm	15:17
SpeedEvil	gotit	15:17
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ShadowJK	the defined tasks being simple: open a webshop, click category, click subcategory, open new tab/window for 3 products, close first tab/window, find price, stock level, date on all 3 and close.	15:18
ShadowJK	fairly common browser use I'd think?	15:18
ShadowJK	If you singletask, fennec is slightly less bad. :p	15:19
ShadowJK	(but opera is more awesome even because back button is near instant)	15:20
ruskie	I would asume because it keeps it in memory all the time	15:20
cityLights	can I get any sql help regrding the calender here?	15:21
DocScrutinizer	~ask	15:21
infobot	Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.	15:21
ShadowJK	i remember an early fennec did this too, but now its ram use is so extreme it's probably slower if it didnt reload ;p	15:22
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cityLights	assming I know utc now, how can I ask the calender for the next coming meeting?	15:23
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cityLights	I used this to see if there is a meeting now:	15:23
cityLights	select Summary from Components where ComponentType='1' and DateStart <= "+ now +" and DateEnd >= " +now	15:23
cityLights	select Summary from Components where ComponentType='1' and DateStart <= now and DateEnd >= now	15:24
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DocScrutinizer	you're aware of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55018 ? I'd guess it has some examples in their code that are useful	15:28
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MOUD	Hey all	15:58
MOUD	!extras	15:58
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MOUD	are extra-devel and extra-testing working? I just formated my device and after adding those 2 packages they r not working. The Maemo Extras is working fine.	15:59
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crashanddie	"My girlfriend and I love to role play during sex. She pretends to be catwoman, and I pretend to love her."	16:10
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kerio	lol	16:12
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ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/r_i_p_mechanical_typewriter/ <-- hmm	16:26
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billmania	ruskie: The mechanical typewrite may be dead, but for how long will the QWERTY keyboard layout survive? Why has it survived this long?	16:32
idont	I'm experiencing some problems with Maemo's autobuilder. I've just uploaded my first package and only the i386 package fails to build. A thread at TMO suggests it is a problem with the autobuilder. Could someone take a look at it, please? Logs are here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/schedtool_1.3.0-1maemo1/	16:32
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idont	This is the thread at TMO I'm referring to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54935	16:33
Khertan	Hi !	16:33
idont	Hey :p	16:33
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Khertan	http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 <--> Incomplete [ 4 ] Need More Info [ 10015 ] LOL ... ok they are kindding ?	16:35
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merlin1991	Khertan: could you please attach small qt application reproducing the issue ?	16:51
merlin1991	lmao	16:51
merlin1991	any qt ap has the bug :D	16:51
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Khertan	merlin1991: they are just trying to close the thing without taking a look at it	16:55
merlin1991	yea	16:56
merlin1991	even thought it's a huge issue	16:56
Khertan	merlin1991: maemo is clearly not anymore a target for them	16:56
Khertan	merlin1991: i think the next message will be that they can't reproduce the problem with maemo clean install pr1.3 :)	16:57
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Khertan	merlin1991: less funny is that from what i see from the email subject : [Qt bugreports] Resolved:	16:58
Khertan	clearly not the case	16:58
keks-n	Damn. They seem to ignore me. Still have no access to extras-devel >_<	16:59
Khertan	?	16:59
merlin1991	keks-n: what do you mean?	16:59
keks-n	I sent a request last thursday	17:00
X-Fade	keks-n: Sorry, I'm ignoring you because I need to discuss this with the council.	17:00
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keks-n	Oh	17:00
merlin1991	X-Fade: cloak? ;)	17:00
keks-n	I understand	17:00
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X-Fade	keks-n: As you are intending to commit a big mess into non-free which is potentially a big problem when you mess up :)	17:00
keks-n	I already have compiled it in the scratchbox	17:01
keks-n	Mono 2.10.1	17:01
keks-n	From debian experimental	17:01
Khertan	^^^ now i understand why you are ignored ... mono ...	17:01
Khertan	:)	17:01
* Khertan is going out .... [...]		17:01
keks-n	Using two source packages, one for i386 and any (managed packages) and another for armel (base runtime only)	17:02
X-Fade	Well non-free is essentially unmanaged. And I really don't want to risk any problems there when there is no clear demand.	17:02
Khertan	keks-n: mono isn't free ?	17:02
keks-n	Now I can provide source packages	17:02
keks-n	And even GTK bindings compiles under ARM scratchbox now	17:02
keks-n	>> keks-n: mono isn't free ?	17:03
X-Fade	keks-n: But it won't build on the free builder then?	17:03
keks-n	I wanted to use managed binaries from Ubuntu	17:03
keks-n	It will build under free builder	17:03
keks-n	It compiles i386 runtime first and create a "blob" with all needed libraries	17:04
keks-n	This blob can be installed then into arm scratchbox	17:04
keks-n	And because of using qemu-user it will run i386 runtime binaries	17:04
keks-n	So I can provide source packages for the whole mono runtime and GTK bindings	17:05
X-Fade	keks-n: That sounds like a big mess :)	17:05
idont	My problem is solved; after changing "Maemo-Display-Name" to "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" in debian/control the autobuilder did build my package for all architectures. Still don't know why only the i386 build failed earlier (might have been a random autobuilder problem?). Anyway, all fine now :)	17:05
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keks-n	As I read in the wiki, it's possible to build only for one architecture. So I used this "feature" for 2-step compilation	17:06
cityLights	hi all	17:06
cityLights	in continue to last question regarding the difference between gobject.timeout_add and alarmd	17:06
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cityLights	assume I know when is my next meeting in unixepoc time, how can I put my code to sleep untill then?	17:07
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billmania	cityLights: The difference between the next meeting time and the current time is the number of seconds between them.	17:15
billmania	You can then have your program wait that number of seconds.	17:16
billmania	Which programming language are you using? I assume you're executing that program on a Maemo device.	17:17
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juk	holly shit, ported directfb to see it's dumbass banner, no system found! it's all fake n900	17:17
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keks-n	Why do you want to use directfb instead of opengl?	17:19
keks-n	Or sdl	17:20
cityLights	billmania: indeed i can calculate the time diffrence then use gobject.timeout_add to wait that amount of time	17:20
cityLights	using pythin now	17:21
cityLights	python	17:21
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billmania	cityLights: Then you're all set. time.sleep(numberOfSecondsToWait)	17:22
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cityLights	can't I just handle it out to the time to call a method when the amout of time passed?	17:23
cityLights	then i can do other stuff	17:23
billmania	cityLights: Of course. That requires the handling of the SIGALRM signal and a callback function. You said you wanted to put your program to sleep, however. Sounds like you instead want to do something else until that time elapses.	17:24
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cityLights	I will paste this here in a few min	17:25
cityLights	need to see it working first	17:25
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cityLights	system question: how to run a program from the shell remotely?	17:25
cityLights	I try ssh user@n900 'command' and it doesnt work	17:26
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keks-n	What does it print?	17:27
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: hi! :-)	17:27
chem\|st	cityLights: it is root@n900 usualy	17:27
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: hi	17:28
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: hi	17:28
chem\|st	cityLights: there you su - user	17:28
chem\|st	cityLights: ssh is forbidden for user by default either you change that first or go the "root" way	17:28
cityLights	o ok	17:29
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DocScrutinizer	sigh	17:32
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chem\|st	~hello	17:33
apt	Howdy Bub	17:33
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: infobot still dead?	17:33
DocScrutinizer	again	17:33
chem\|st	oh again is even more painfull than "still"	17:34
cityLights	as currentdB.exectue() returns a sqlite3 object, how can I read the first item in it without a for loop?	17:34
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cityLights	sorry I seek python sqlite3 help	17:34
DocScrutinizer	yeah, and especially since	17:34
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DocScrutinizer	~+chaninfo	17:34
apt	I'm on 33 channels: #maemo/389, #debian/74, #gsoc/32, #kde/31, #oe/12, #wowace/12, #infobot/11, #wowuidev/10, #bzflag/8, #openmoko/6, #openmoko-cdevel/5, #sc2mapster/4, #htc-linux/4, #gllug/3, #uphpu/3, #tomcat/3, #utah/2, #edev/2, #slug/2, #debianppc/2, #openjtag/2, #uclibc/2, #curseforge/2, #elive/1, #brlcad/1, #wowroster/1, #norganna/1, ##ducleague/1, #lugwv/1, ##guleague/1, #debian-bots/1, #openezx/0	17:34
apt	i've cached 629 users, 600 unique users, distributed over 33 channels.	17:34
SpeedEvil	quack	17:34
DocScrutinizer	should be like 111,3000	17:34
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: ouch	17:35
SpeedEvil	mayb it only notices users that talk to it?	17:35
DocScrutinizer	no, it only notices users on channels it's logged in to	17:36
DocScrutinizer	and even there it fails epically	17:36
merlin1991	~seen merlin1991	17:36
apt	merlin1991 is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 80 messages. Is idling for 9s, last said: '~seen merlin1991'.	17:36
DocScrutinizer	e.g. openmoko-cdevel has 83 users, not 5	17:37
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DocScrutinizer	tim told me the mysql db got somehow corrupt, he restored it some 2 days ago	17:39
SpeedEvil	Could they be numbers that talk?	17:39
smooph_web	hey guys I have a problem with video capture ... I am recording my lectures and the problem is the power for a 2h recording ... is there a way to turn the display off while recording?	17:39
DocScrutinizer	nfc really - at least they're not supposed to afaik	17:39
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DocScrutinizer	see #maemo	17:39
SpeedEvil	smooph_web: hmm	17:40
DocScrutinizer	hmm, good question	17:40
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smooph_web	I took a look around but the "Show captured Video" is about after the recording	17:40
DocScrutinizer	reduce backlight to minimum is probably best you can do	17:40
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smooph_web	DocScrutinizer: already did that	17:41
smooph_web	2 hour class works ... battery backup for the next one is bought but the 3hour one doesn't work	17:41
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DocScrutinizer	USB power pack?	17:42
smooph_web	right now I am draining my laptops battery with the usb port to give my n900 that little bit of extra juice	17:42
DocScrutinizer	or that	17:42
SpeedEvil	I assume you need video, not audio?	17:43
smooph_web	correct	17:43
DocScrutinizer	well, camera chip and compressing eat some energy	17:43
DocScrutinizer	no matter what	17:43
smooph_web	of course but I suspect the display is the real drain ...	17:44
DocScrutinizer	reducing video resolution might help, but I'm not aware of a way to do this	17:44
SpeedEvil	smooph_web: It's not	17:44
SpeedEvil	smooph_web: At least if you dim it.	17:44
Zandor	hi can someone help me with my n900	17:44
DocScrutinizer	~ask	17:44
apt	Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.	17:44
SpeedEvil	smooph_web: A major issue may be reformatting the picture and putting it onto the screen	17:44
Zandor	my phone app keeps popping up	17:44
DocScrutinizer	switch off auto-popup on rotation in phone app's settings	17:45
smooph_web	SpeedEvil: I cannot reduce the quality its needed	17:45
Zandor	ty @DocScutinizer	17:45
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smooph_web	welll I guess I have to live with it and maybe invest in a usb battery backup	17:46
smooph_web	this way at least my laptop can stay in the bag	17:47
DocScrutinizer	3 primary cells a` 1.5V should suffice	17:48
DocScrutinizer	or 4 NiMH a` 1.2V	17:48
DocScrutinizer	just make sure you're never exceeding 6V	17:49
smooph_web	is there a batterypack thats recommended?	17:49
DocScrutinizer	Nokia has some USB pack with regulator afaik	17:50
billmania	smooph_web: There's an article on talk.maemo.org which has tested and recommends these batteries: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-wholesalers.html	17:51
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billmania	smooph_web: I haven't yet tried them myself, but plan to buy one.	17:51
DocScrutinizer	smooph_web is asking for external USB powerpacks	17:51
Zandor	I am sorry this may be out of context but have you tried mugen power batteries for n900	17:51
DocScrutinizer	this indeed might be a solution	17:52
billmania	DocScrutinizer: Understood.	17:52
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smooph_web	billmania: & DocScrutinizer 100$ is a little too much for my taste ... I think I will look for a usb backup unit	17:55
DocScrutinizer	yeah	17:55
billmania	smooph_web: The batteries from aliexpress are only about USB 10 each.	17:55
billmania	(if you buy three at a time)	17:55
smooph_web	billmania: sorry I dont understand what you are saying?	17:57
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billmania	smooph_web: One option of many for increasing the operating time of your N900 is to increase the battery capacity.	18:00
DocScrutinizer	smooph_web: http://www.online-superpreis.de/kfz-outdoor/outdoor/cabstone-solar-not-ladegeraet-mit-integr-5-5v-1000mah-li-po-akku/a-608/	18:00
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billmania	The replacement batteries at http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-wholesalers.html provide more capacity than the standard Nokia-provided N900 battery.	18:01
billmania	If you buy a package of three of those batteries from aliexpress, the cost is approximately USD 10 each.	18:01
smooph_web	DocScrutinizer: hehe im hörsaal leider nicht so praktisch befürchte ich :D	18:01
DocScrutinizer	smooph_web: it has a 1000mA LiIon battery	18:02
billmania	DocScrutinizer has also suggested the replacement battery from Mugen Power, which has much more capacity than even the aliexpress batteries.	18:02
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smooph_web	billmania: I understand but that just a question of money 100$ vs 10$ a student will always choose the second option	18:04
billmania	smooph_web: Unless the student does a cost benefit analysis and calculates how much longer the Mugen battery will power the N900. :-D	18:05
smooph_web	DocScrutinizer: ohh I didn't see that ... I will look around maybe thats an option	18:05
smooph_web	billmania: I only need another 30-60min :D but youre probably right ...	18:06
Cor-Ai	is there somthing like fbrun(fluxbox) for maemo?	18:10
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SpeedEvil	Or unless they invest $20 in a cheap camcorery thingy	18:11
smooph_web	SpeedEvil: thought about that too ... thing is ... I don't think my professors would like me to tape their lectures not even for personal use only	18:12
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SpeedEvil	Ah	18:12
smooph_web	so the n900 is kind of a nice spycam	18:12
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jacekowski	smooph_web: ask them	18:16
jacekowski	smooph_web: a lot of them will let you record and stuff	18:16
smooph_web	trust me ... the ones I am recording won't ... the won't even create a script of the lecture ...	18:21
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DocScrutinizer	you want to control the red privacy indicator I guess. lfocus pkg does that	18:22
SpeedEvil	Tape does it too.	18:22
DocScrutinizer	lol, yeah	18:22
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smooph_web_	the n900 has micro usb right ? :)	18:25
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jacekowski	yes	18:25
jacekowski	unless somebody breaks it	18:25
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plunked	hey guys	18:26
plunked	anyone compiled qt4.7 on scratchbox before?	18:26
Khertan	plunked: me why ?	18:27
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plunked	@khertan: I'm having some errors getting it to compile	18:28
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plunked	i was wondering if there were any gotchas regarding its compilation on scratchbox	18:28
Khertan	compilations works out of the box + some missing library install	18:29
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smooph_web_	http://tinyurl.com/6a8ryac DocScrutinizer how about this one ?	18:30
plunked	@Khertan: okay, i'll go take a look and check which libraries im missing	18:30
plunked	thanks :)	18:30
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keks-n	Lol, somebody have already tried to build Mono 2.6.7 in the autobuilder	18:32
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GAN900	Engadget really has hit rock bottom	18:34
GAN900	It's more political than tech.	18:34
keks-n	wtf	18:35
keks-n	There is no any package for armel in debian/control	18:35
keks-n	Why it compiles for it?	18:35
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xd13	just ordered one of those scud batteries :)	18:36
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keks-n	There are also no packages with architecture "any"	18:38
keks-n	Only "i386" and "all"	18:38
keks-n	>_<	18:38
keks-n	cat debian/control \|grep Architecture\|sort -n\|uniq	18:40
keks-n	Architecture: all	18:40
keks-n	Architecture: i386	18:40
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keks-n	I hate it	18:47
keks-n	It still builds for armel	18:47
Corsac	Arch: any means it's arch-specific and needs to be rebuilt for every architecture	18:50
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keks-n	There is no packages with "any"	19:01
keks-n	There are packages with "all"	19:01
keks-n	Now created a wrapper for debian/rules which prevents building anything for ARM	19:01
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Corsac	keks-n: arch:any makes only sense in source package	19:09
keks-n	-_-	19:09
keks-n	I didn't use "any"	19:09
keks-n	I've used "all"	19:10
keks-n	but it still tries compile it for armel	19:10
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Corsac	all means there's nothing arch specific (think perl/python/shell script for example)	19:10
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keks-n	When I create a source package with a single binary package for "all" it works properly	19:10
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keks-n	When I upload a source package with i386 and "all" binary packages it tries to compile it for armel	19:11
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Corsac	please show your debian/control	19:11
Corsac	(Architecture: any is more or less an alias for Architecture: amd64 i386 arm armel mip mipsel etc. etc.)	19:12
keks-n	http://pastebin.com/ZZzfEzPk	19:13
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keks-n	Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libh/libhtml-tree-perl/libhtml-tree-perl_3.23-1maemo5.1_all.deb 401 Authorization Required E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Fetched 946kB in 2s (396kB/s)	19:13
keks-n	lolwtf	19:13
slonopotamus	hehe	19:14
keks-n	Someone has broken the repository	19:14
keks-n	Great	19:14
slonopotamus	keks-n: what country from?	19:14
keks-n	Russia	19:14
Corsac	ok so the package shouldn't even manage to be built at all on an armel buildd	19:15
keks-n	yep	19:15
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slonopotamus	keks-n: confirming 401 from russia. redirects to http://guide.opendns.com/?url=stage%2Fextras%2Ddevel%2Fpool%2Ffremantle%2Ffree%2Flibh%2Flibhtml%2Dtree%2Dperl%2Flibhtml%2Dtree%2Dperl%5F3%2E23%2D1maemo5%2E1%5Fall%2Edeb from europe	19:17
keks-n	I got this in the autobuilder	19:17
keks-n	The url itself is malformed	19:17
keks-n	>>http://stage/	19:18
slonopotamus	yeah, i replaced it with repository.maemo.org	19:18
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keks-n	It looks like, that my `hack` works	19:20
keks-n	But I get this:	19:20
keks-n	dpkg-genchanges -sa -eAutomatic Builder <builder@maemo.org> >../mono-i386_2.10.1-4maemo1_armel.changes	19:20
keks-n	dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory	19:20
keks-n	dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-genchanges gave error exit status 2	19:20
keks-n	It should be in debian/files, right?	19:20
slonopotamus	that's the good side of 'hacks' :)	19:20
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keks-n	HELL YEAH	19:29
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keks-n	It have passed the armel build	19:29
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keks-n	Now building for i386 :3	19:30
smooph	DocScrutinizer sorry to bug you again ... but did u see the link I sent u ? ... I think this one would work but I would like your opinion	19:32
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smooph	would this one work as a battery backup pack for the n900 ?	19:34
smooph	http://tinyurl.com/6a8ryac	19:34
smooph	2,5k mAh should provide some extra power right ?	19:34
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DocScrutinizer	smooph: damn no. This one has "output 3.7V"	19:38
smooph	this is so much harder than i thought :D	19:38
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DocScrutinizer	infobot: +uptime	19:48
infobot	- Uptime for infobot -	19:48
infobot	Now: 26m 3s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux	19:48
infobot	1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010	19:48
infobot	2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009	19:48
infobot	3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009	19:48
DocScrutinizer	infobot: chaninfo	19:49
infobot	I'm on 111 channels: #debian/1140, #meego/451, #gsoc/402, #maemo/389, #kde/384, #asterisk/221, #oe/171, #wowace/163, #wowhead/162, #wowuidev/158, #openmoko/111, #webos-internals/107, #htc-linux/106, #openmoko-cdevel/84, #utah/79, #sc2mapster/64, #asterisk-dev/62, #tomcat/61, #bzflag/57, #curseforge/57, #uclibc/54, #edev/53, #slug/42, #uphpu/40, #gllug/37, #elinux/37, #norganna/31, #/30, #storm/30, #utos/28, #asterisk-bugs/27, #brlcad/27, #buglabs/24, ...	19:49
infobot	i've cached 5384 users, 3995 unique users, distributed over 111 channels.	19:49
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v infobot		19:49
slonopotamus	infobot: now you ban yourself for excessive flood	19:50
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DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: could you set /cs access #maemo infobot VOP (+vV) please? I'm missing +f so can't do it	19:53
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keks-n	dh_installdocs -s cp: cannot stat `debian/changelog.1': No such file or directory dh_installdocs: cp -a debian/changelog.1 debian/mono-runtime/usr/share/doc/mono-runtime returned exit code 1 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 2 dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2	19:57
keks-n	After 30 minutes of compilation	19:57
keks-n	TOXIC RAGE	19:58
DocScrutinizer	slonopotamus: infobot can't ban people, not even herself. I didn't give her +o	20:01
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slonopotamus	poor soul	20:01
DocScrutinizer	but heh, I could do ;-D	20:01
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hatake_kakashi	giving op to a bot that can do regexp search and replace reminds me of some place I've been to awhile back. Where the bot would kick you for feeding it wrong regexp search and replace syntaxes, even if you accidentally left the end of replace syntax out the bot still kicks you. :)	20:05
hatake_kakashi	i.e. `s/foo/bar' <-- note the missing character at the end, just for not ending it correctly the bot kicks you.	20:08
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keks-n	wtf	20:31
keks-n	It haven't packaged any managed code	20:31
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DocScrutinizer	hatake_kakashi: fun	20:36
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DocScrutinizer	infobot: IDIOT!	20:36
infobot	idiot is, like, you	20:36
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DocScrutinizer	see, she's peaceful	20:36
hatake_kakashi	DocScrutinizer, indeed, one learns quickly to not make mistakes so easily after getting kicked for making lousy mistakes	20:36
DocScrutinizer	s/see/SDF fsdfacf	20:37
hatake_kakashi	s/lousy mistakes/lousy mistake/	20:37
infobot	hatake_kakashi meant: DocScrutinizer, indeed, one learns quickly to not make mistakes so easily after getting kicked for making lousy mistake	20:37
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hatake_kakashi	at least I should see it as a relief from that even though now I try to use the syntax more properly rather than sluggishly ;)	20:38
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DocScrutinizer	~botsnack	20:38
infobot	DocScrutinizer: thanks	20:38
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DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: ping	20:38
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keks-n	It looks like, that the autobuilder always tries to build packages with architecture "all" under armel if there are some packages with another architecture	20:41
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: ping	20:44
keks-n	Get:7 http://stage fremantle/free libxml-regexp-perl 0.03-7maemo1 [7628B]	20:45
keks-n	Get:8 http://stage fremantle/free libxml-dom-perl 1.44-1maemo1 [186kB]	20:45
keks-n	Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml-perl/libxml-perl_0.08-1maemo1_all.deb 401 Authorization Required	20:45
keks-n	What the...	20:45
DocScrutinizer	lol	20:45
* keks-n sends the ray of HATE to the author of the autobuilder		20:46
keks-n	>>Could not determine build arch	20:49
keks-n	wtf	20:49
keks-n	Actually what does it mean?	20:49
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D_Cent	hi	20:51
keks-n	Where can I get the source of this file?	20:52
D_Cent	my N900 doesn't book anymore - is there a way to e.g. only flash the rootfs so i can keep the MyDocs folder?	20:52
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D_Cent	*book -> boot	20:52
keks-n	Extract files from the image and reflash only rootfs	20:53
keks-n	flasher-3.5 --unpack=IMAGE	20:55
keks-n	flasher-3.5 --rootfs=rootfs_bla_bla -f	20:55
D_Cent	keks-n: thanks, i will try that	20:56
D_Cent	do i need to run the flasher with root permissions?	20:57
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: pong.	20:58
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keks-n	>>do i need to run the flasher with root permissions?	21:02
keks-n	Only for flashing	21:02
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D_Cent	hmm.. i get "Unable to enumerate USB buses"	21:04
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: why don't even you have +f ?	21:08
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: >> If you are not a founder, you may only manipulate flags you have yourself, and may not edit users that have flags you don't have. For this purpose, +v grants +V, +o grants +O...	21:11
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Damnshock	hey guys	21:15
Damnshock	I'm having trouble trying to flash a kernel image	21:15
Damnshock	for meego	21:15
Damnshock	Unable to enumerate USB devices!	21:15
Damnshock	I'm getting that message, any help will be apreciated	21:15
DocScrutinizer	lsmod	21:17
DocScrutinizer	~flash	21:17
infobot	it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	21:17
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Damnshock	http://pastebin.centos.org/37195	21:18
Damnshock	infobot: I've tried that guide	21:19
Damnshock	and its solutions	21:19
Damnshock	still no success	21:19
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Jartza	Damnshock: http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/	21:19
Jartza	that helped for me	21:19
Jartza	specifically the "Update" -section	21:19
Jartza	worth a try, as it doesn't make permanent changes	21:20
Damnshock	thanks Jartza, gonna look into it	21:20
Damnshock	well, now the message is different	21:22
Damnshock	USB device found found at bus 004, device address 005.	21:22
Damnshock	Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy	21:22
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: talk to X-Fade for founder issues.	21:23
DocScrutinizer	lsmod	21:24
DocScrutinizer	~flash	21:24
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	21:24
maybeHere	dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun	21:24
maybeHere	FLASH!	21:25
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: mhm, alas he's a rare visitor	21:25
maybeHere	AA-AAH	21:25
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: email should work.	21:25
cityLights	can anyone very this idea ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nivw/5658073749/in/photostream	21:25
cityLights	I am tring to make a program to silence the phone when I am in a meeting	21:25
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Damnshock	you can point to that guide as many times as you like	21:28
Damnshock	still no success	21:28
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dongood	hello	21:39
dongood	how are ou do all	21:39
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dongood	i am here to trade	21:39
* abissom likes businessmen :P		21:41
abissom	;)	21:41
dongood	ok abissom i am here for bussinee	21:41
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abissom	let's hear what you have to offer dongood	21:44
dongood	ok i will like you to contact me by email ok	21:44
dongood	here is my email	21:44
dongood	rssba.dept58@gmail.com	21:44
abissom	:/	21:45
dongood	ok you can contac me by email ok	21:45
abissom	no. of course not. i don't even know what you have to offer	21:46
abissom	:P	21:46
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DocScrutinizer	dongood: see /topic!	21:47
dongood	that why i say you can contac me by email so i will say to you im will be bcak in the 30mins ok ?	21:47
dongood	i need to attend to me worker now	21:47
DocScrutinizer	no trading here	21:47
DocScrutinizer	dongood: what is N900?	21:48
* abissom remembers the rule now		21:48
DocScrutinizer	meh	21:48
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Gh0sty	maybe he wanted to trade his n900 for an iphone! :P	21:50
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DocScrutinizer	if he did, he could've answered my question	21:50
abissom	i don't trust the guy at all	21:51
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DocScrutinizer	the missing ban is for the marginal chance he really wanted to trade Nokia phones and just been busy	21:51
DocScrutinizer	abissom: nigerian conection	21:51
DocScrutinizer	live spam	21:51
DocScrutinizer	ooops	21:52
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DocScrutinizer	aah no ooops	21:52
abissom	nigerian: i'm actually from africa myself :)	21:52
DocScrutinizer	np	21:52
DocScrutinizer	but there's a notorious crew over there	21:53
DocScrutinizer	a whole business	21:53
hatake_kakashi	I wonder if they've also gotten desperate. It all started in the form of emails, now its spreading across to something as old as IRC	21:53
hatake_kakashi	oh I've just remembered they've also trolled on forums as well	21:54
DocScrutinizer	ping me if he comes back	21:56
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rm_work	if something totally breaks my touchscreen, is there a way to kill an app with just the keyboard?	21:59
FIQ	ctrl+shift+x get root, killall process	21:59
FIQ	:)	21:59
rm_work	hrm	22:00
rm_work	ok...	22:00
rm_work	i guess it killed ALL input	22:00
rm_work	it comes in/out of sleep, camera app opens and closes when i slide the camera lens open and shut, and it pops the menu when i hit tap the power button	22:00
rm_work	so it isn't frozen	22:01
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rm_work	*when i tap the power button	22:01
rm_work	i guess i'll just reboot it >_>	22:01
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FIQ	lol, sounds exactly as the behaviour when I started an extra X session	22:02
FIQ	then it went like that	22:02
rm_work	i ran the digia@scene app and tried to watch a video	22:02
rm_work	lol	22:02
rm_work	it popped a menu telling me i needed to enter my account info for youtube, and bam, inputs dead	22:03
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DocScrutinizer	I had that sometimes when a modal requester got opened behind the current screen	22:04
DocScrutinizer	I think ctrl-bs got me to the requester and I was able to close it	22:05
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keks-n	Ehm	22:12
keks-n	It looks like that it was successfully built	22:12
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keks-n	But I cann't see it at http://maemo.org/packages	22:12
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DocScrutinizer	takes a while	22:20
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keks-n	Does it keep "Original-Maintainer" fields after the build?	22:28
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keks-n	Hm...	22:30
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keks-n	BTW, who is Daniel Spies?	22:33
keks-n	It says that he is the maintainer of mono-runtime	22:33
keks-n	But he didn't uploaded anything that was build, lol	22:33
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DocScrutinizer	fsck mono	22:49
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mc_teo	hey	22:54
mc_teo	you know sphinx?	22:54
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mc_teo	there is a garage page for pocketsphinx, but yet not on the repos	22:55
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andre__	mc_teo, maybe nobody has packaged it yet?	22:56
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mc_teo	andre__: but its been there for ages	22:56
andre__	the "but" in that sentence doesn't make much sense :-P	22:57
Venemo	There was an error while trying to connect to the Telepathy Account Manager. The error was:	23:01
Venemo	Process /usr/libexec/mission-control-5 received signal 11	23:01
Venemo	I've been getting this from Telepathy for a week now	23:01
RST38h	It is dead, Jim.	23:02
RST38h	You take its tricorder, and I will take his purse.	23:02
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keks-n	>>W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages 401 Unauthorized [IP: 92.123.68.43 80]	23:05
keks-n	Somebody has broken the repository	23:06
keks-n	Also, why sphinx? Lucene shows pretty good perfomance	23:07
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keks-n	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72528&highlight=401+Unauthorized	23:09
keks-n	I'm not alone who is affected	23:09
keks-n	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle-1.3/non-free/binary-armel/ - it can be even browsed	23:14
keks-n	But no file can be downloaded	23:15
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