IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-04-20

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internetishardAre passwords for accounts like skype easy to retreive?00:13
internetishardI remember wep keys were stored in cleartext00:14
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: hey buddy00:30
internetishardyo00:31
internetishard:>00:31
MohammadAGsup ZogG00:35
MohammadAGZogG_laptop,00:35
ZogG_laptopнщ00:35
ZogG_laptopyo00:35
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: is there any docs provided how to work with maemo cal?00:35
ZogG_laptopcal nad contacs?00:36
ZogG_laptopand*00:36
ZogG_laptopcontacts*00:36
MohammadAGcal?00:37
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ZogG_laptop_ iwas out00:38
ZogG_laptop_lol00:38
ZogG_laptop_so MohammadAG ?00:38
ZogG_laptop_am i out again?00:40
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ds3ARRRRRGGGGG BAD UPDATES BAD00:40
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Spydemonhave someone installed the Maemo SDK with scratchbox on Arch Linux ?00:44
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DocScrutinizerinternetishard: I published a tmo thread about howto recover wlan passwords00:47
internetishardyeah, I was trying to recover a skype password00:48
DocScrutinizernfc about skype00:48
internetishardnfc?00:48
DocScrutinizernever touched it since I left betatester crew due to skype R&D leads are gasheads00:48
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internetishardwell, this isn't skype, I'm talking about the Accounts thing in maemo00:49
internetishardthat does SIP, skype, etc00:49
internetishardthose passwords^00:49
DocScrutinizerthere my tmo post00:49
MohammadAGI thought all rtcom passwords are stored as plaintex00:50
MohammadAGt00:50
MohammadAGcan't remember the bug report on it00:50
DocScrutinizerno idea about skype and aother contacts00:50
DocScrutinizerbug report?!! MUHAHAHA00:50
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internetishardYeah, I figured all those (apparently "rtcom") passwords were stored as cleartext00:51
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DocScrutinizerin ~/.config/rt-com/iqehxnökjxdbebz00:51
ZogG_laptop_MohammadAG:00:51
DocScrutinizersomething like that00:51
ZogG_laptop_DocScrutinizer: hey00:52
ZogG_laptop_i got camera00:52
ZogG_laptop_moro,w would send u a pic00:52
DocScrutinizeryw00:52
ZogG_laptop_yw?00:52
DocScrutinizer~yw00:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, yw is you're welcome00:52
ZogG_laptop_tomorow00:52
ZogG_laptop_tomorrow00:52
ZogG_laptop_it's double m or r00:53
DocScrutinizergot it00:53
ZogG_laptop_tommorow00:53
ZogG_laptop_i just forget things like that lol00:53
ZogG_laptop_MohammadAG: is there any api to work with contacts and calendar?00:53
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ZogG_laptop_i found interesting thing00:53
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DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop_: ->wiki00:54
internetisharddon't see a .config/rt-com00:54
MohammadAGZogG_laptop_, osso-abook00:54
MohammadAGthere's also Qt Mobility00:54
* MohammadAG coughs00:54
ZogG_laptop_what is better00:54
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: grep <knowpassword> ~00:54
ZogG_laptop_and what is better for C ?00:54
ZogG_laptop_damn that movie was not bad00:54
ZogG_laptop_cameron is not bad director though avatar sucked00:55
MohammadAGthe native API is always better00:55
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ZogG_laptop_MohammadAG: does it has C API ?00:55
MohammadAGit is C00:55
MohammadAGnative language on maemo is C00:56
internetishardknowpassword?00:56
ZogG_laptop_MohammadAG: good00:56
ZogG_laptop_MohammadAG: but calendar is still closed right?00:56
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API00:57
ZogG_laptop_http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/00:59
ZogG_laptop_found it00:59
MohammadAGhaving an API != the component has to be open00:59
internetishardsooo... how do I find this password?00:59
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DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Data_Management01:01
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DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Data_Management#Contacts_.28Addressbook.2901:01
internetishardIs that for me?01:01
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internetishardTo find the password for rt-com stuff?01:02
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DocScrutinizerthat's for you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM01:02
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM#osso-accounts01:02
ZogG_laptop_DocScrutinizer: i more interested in calendar for now01:03
DocScrutinizerooops01:03
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DocScrutinizeryeah, got out of rails on second & 3rd01:03
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ZogG_laptop_Kilroo1: is cloning itself01:03
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DocScrutinizereh?01:04
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BCMManyone else find their n900 shutting down when it is supposed to reboot?01:07
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internetishardHow long does it take you guys to open up an sms convo with a lot of history?01:10
internetishardit takes me like 5s, longer than to reply to someone01:10
DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop_: found this in my bookmarks: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookAggregator.html#osso-abook-aggregator-find-contacts-for-phone-number01:10
ZogG_laptop_DocScrutinizer: i wanna start with calendar01:11
ZogG_laptop_wanna try something out01:11
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DocScrutinizerdamndamndamndamn, /me takes outtime01:11
ZogG_laptop_DocScrutinizer: but thanks anyway01:12
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troulouliouhi quick help please, what is the line to add to source.list to enable maemo devel and testing on scratchnox01:17
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: ~user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg01:17
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: I bet skype is different01:20
internetishardskype is in there, but no passwords are01:20
internetishardfor anything, I think01:20
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ZogG_laptop_internetishard: what are u trying to do?01:22
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DocScrutinizerinternetishard: SIP passwords are in there01:49
DocScrutinizerthat's how I found it (well, I knew what to search for and where :-] )01:50
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internetishardZogG_laptop_: was just trying to recover a skype password02:21
internetishardI just did it the accepted way02:21
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ZogG_laptop_internetishard: there is recover on website02:23
ZogG_laptop_much easier and it's there just for that cases02:23
Venemohey ZogG_laptop_ :)02:24
ZogG_laptop_Venemo: рун02:25
ZogG_laptop_hey02:25
ZogG_laptop_sup man02:25
internetishardyeah, that's how I did it, but I just wanted to see if I could do it without that02:25
ZogG_laptop_long time no talk02:25
Venemoyeah :)02:25
Venemowhat's up with your app ZogG_laptop_ :)02:25
ZogG_laptop_don't know02:26
ZogG_laptop_had a lot of stuff to do and now my n900 is dead =(02:26
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ZogG_laptop_how about u?02:28
ZogG_laptop_what's new?02:28
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ZogG_laptop_Venemo: do u have free time?02:31
ZogG_laptop_i mean not now but at all?02:31
VenemoZogG_laptop_, yes, probably next week.02:31
ZogG_laptop_Venemo: i'll PM02:31
VenemoZogG_laptop_, I have plenty of school stuff this week, and then family stuff at the weekend02:31
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VenemoZogG_laptop_, you can always ask questions, but I can't code/look at code in depth until next week02:32
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lopzhi02:42
lopzhow copy text selection on textview?02:42
DocScrutinizer51ctrl-c02:43
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lopzI use: self.textbuffer.get_text(self.textbuffer.get_selection_bounds())02:44
ZogG_laptop_ctrl-c is much cooler02:44
ZogG_laptop_though your option is more sexy02:44
lopzin linux pc works fine, but the n900 does not work: (02:44
ZogG_laptop_lopz is from jeniffier lopez?02:45
lopzI do not want to use the keyboard, I select a word and use it for anything x02:45
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lopzZogG_laptop_, lopz != jennifer lopez02:46
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internetishardHow long does it take you guys to open up an sms convo with a lot of history?03:49
SpeedEvilI only have 7, and quite fast03:53
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Sazpaimonis there a way to use a more recent qemu with scratchbox?06:56
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ds3anyone know what's the deal with apt-worker constantly spinning its wheels whenever I try to look at something in app manager?07:16
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Sazpaimonds3, do you have extras-testing?07:33
Sazpaimonit's usually caused by the giant mass of packages in extras-testing07:33
Sazpaimoneither disable it or use fapman07:33
Sazpaimonor just use commandline like a real man07:34
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ds3Sazpaimon: yes I do07:37
Sazpaimoni never use HAM for that reason07:40
ds3let me give FAP another try; I was crashing the earlier versions07:42
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Sazpaimonis it possible to have debhelper *on* an N90008:36
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psychologehello everybady here08:37
psychologe hello world08:37
slonopotamusSazpaimon: yes, why not?08:38
Sazpaimonslonopotamus, because it depends on bsdmainutils08:38
Sazpaimonwhich uninstalls busybox08:39
Sazpaimonwhich screws everything up08:39
Sazpaimoni could force it, assuming busybox gives the stuff debhelper needs08:39
slonopotamusdon't uninstall busybox08:40
Sazpaimonobviously08:40
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Sazpaimonhmm, there's a man-db-n900, maybe that'll satisfy debhelper08:41
* slonopotamus tries to remember how he installed debhelper08:42
SazpaimonI'm installing debhelper7, by the way08:43
Sazpaimoni'd also like to remove all of this build packages from the N900 once I'm done08:43
slonopotamusdebhelper7 == even more fscked up debhelper08:43
Sazpaimonthis has a compat of 6, so debhelper wont do08:44
Sazpaimonthough to be honest, ive never had an issue with debhelper7 before08:44
Sazpaimonall I need to do is build this one package and transfer it to the sdk box08:45
Sazpaimonsince the sdk won't compile it, qemu segfaults for whatever reason08:45
slonopotamushehe08:45
Sazpaimonif there was a way to use a more recent qemu build on scratchbox, maybe then my life would be easier08:45
psychologei want study python ,but i can't find document about  python ui for n90008:45
Sazpaimonqemu apparently doesn't like compiling programs that depend on asm08:46
Sazpaimonsurprise there08:46
slonopotamuspsycho_oreos: pygtk08:46
Sazpaimonrapidly running out of rootfs space...08:47
slonopotamusscratchbox isn't qemu, it's some totally patched fork08:47
Sazpaimononly 3.5MB left08:47
Sazpaimonslonopotamus, yeah, i meant scratchbox08:48
Sazpaimonbig piece of junk to be honest08:48
slonopotamusSazpaimon: it is safe to symlink many stuff from /usr/share/ to 2gb partition08:48
slonopotamusSazpaimon: /usr/share/perl, for ex08:48
Sazpaimondoesnt CSSU already do tha08:49
Sazpaimonor is that just with python08:49
slonopotamusthere is some hackery with python, yep08:49
Sazpaimonlooks like a good deal of perl stuff is already symlinked08:50
Sazpaimonokay, looks like i can safely --force-depends debhelper708:52
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Sazpaimonoh hey look at that08:53
Sazpaimonfind: unrecognized: -exec08:53
Sazpaimonthanks busybox08:53
ruskiehehe08:53
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Sazpaimonbusybox: Conflicts: findutils08:54
Sazpaimonllllllllllllll08:54
ruskiewrong findutils08:54
ruskiesearch for gnu in the repos08:54
Sazpaimonfindutils-gnu i assume08:54
ruskiefindutils - metapackage iirc08:54
ruskiefindutils-gnu or gnu-findutils ought to be there08:55
Sazpaimonhow do I get apt to shut up about debhelper7 needing man-db08:55
slonopotamushmm, po-debconf gone somewhere08:55
Sazpaimoni have man-db-n900 installed which should satisfy it08:55
slonopotamusSazpaimon: oh no, how you're going to use debhelper without man pages? <sarcasm>08:55
pupnik_wb slonopotamus08:56
Sazpaimonslonopotamus, like i said, i have man-db-n900, so that should be sufficient enough08:56
Sazpaimoni just need apt to ignore the fact that it needs man-db08:56
Sazpaimonbecause it wont do anything until i "resolve" this08:57
slonopotamuspupnik_: i didn't go away :)08:57
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pupnik_welcome back into my coneof perception then :)08:57
slonopotamus:)08:58
Sazpaimonhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/equivs here's a good solution08:58
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Sazpaimonof course equivs needs debhelper, and not debhelper708:59
Sazpaimonso in in and of itself has a dependency error08:59
SazpaimonI'll just install equivs on the sdk, and make the packages i need there and transfer them to the N90009:00
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slonopotamusSazpaimon: did you enable sdk and tools repos?09:01
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Sazpaimonslonopotamus, I enabled the sdk repo09:02
Sazpaimon[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot equivs-build man-db09:03
Sazpaimonhostname: cannot set hostname to `--fqdn': Operation not permitted09:03
Sazpaimonthe hell?09:03
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slonopotamusbusybox hostname doesn't know --fqdn flag09:03
Sazpaimonthis is on scratchbox09:03
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slonopotamusafaik, it has short alternative09:03
slonopotamuslike, hostname -f09:04
Sazpaimonwhich wont allow you to change the hostname apparently09:04
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slonopotamusSazpaimon: it doesn't want to change hostname, it wants fully qualified hostname09:04
krayonSazpaimon: I didn't think you could ever change the FQDN in linux using hostname09:04
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Sazpaimonso what is scratchbox complaining about09:05
slonopotamusbusybox hostname doesn'thave --fqdn flag09:05
slonopotamusso it thinks you want to set hostname to that string09:05
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Sazpaimonslonopotamus, but I'm using scratchbox, doesn't that use sh or bash or something09:06
slonopotamusokay, sbox hostname doesn't have that flag09:06
Sazpaimonso what would be the equivalent, just hostname?09:07
slonopotamusfix calling script to use hostname -f09:07
Sazpaimonhostname: cannot set hostname to `-f': Operation not permitted09:07
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Sazpaimonall hostname has is --help and --version09:07
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Sazpaimoni think I just need to install coreutils-gnu on scratchbox09:08
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Sazpaimonnope, that doesn't have it09:09
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Sazpaimonlooks like i need to build debian's hostname package09:12
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Sazpaimonshouldnt be a biggie, it's pretty small and simple09:12
slonopotamusSazpaimon: i think you screwed up something. http://dpaste.org/ynGK/09:12
slonopotamusSazpaimon: no man-db09:13
Sazpaimonslonopotamus, debhelper7 needed man-db09:13
Sazpaimonmaybe not debhelper09:13
slonopotamusSazpaimon: repos enabled: extras-*, sdk, tools09:14
Sazpaimonwait wait wait09:14
Sazpaimondid debhelper get a version bump to 7?09:14
slonopotamusthat's why i said debhelper7 is fucked up09:14
Sazpaimonaksdklas;djas;09:14
Sazpaimonwhen did this happen09:14
slonopotamusor i didn't...09:15
Sazpaimonwhen the hell did this happen09:15
Sazpaimonfebruary it seems09:16
Sazpaimonwhy does nobody tell me these things09:16
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slonopotamus_meh, network issues09:19
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slonopotamus_3g coverage in subway could be better...09:20
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Sazpaimonnext cevat, autoreconf doenst seem to be supplied by anything09:20
slonopotamusit's from autoconf, isn't it?09:20
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Sazpaimonoh wait, autoconf DOES have it09:20
Sazpaimonso why is this build failing09:20
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slonopotamusi think you want build-essentials09:21
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Sazpaimonbash: /usr/bin/autoreconf: /scratchbox/tools/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory09:21
Sazpaimonuh09:21
slonopotamussome scripts have borked sheband line09:21
Sazpaimonah09:21
Sazpaimoni have build-essentials09:21
slonopotamusrun a sed through /usr/bin and replace "scratchbox/tools" with "usr"09:21
Sazpaimonso i need to manually fix these scripts09:21
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Sazpaimonsuddenly my rootfs went to 100% without me doing anything09:27
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slonopotamus_i strongly recommend moving stuff from /usr/share to 2gb-partition. running out of rootfs is likely to break maemo09:29
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Sazpaimoni removed a few unneeded packages that were taking up rootfs space09:32
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Sazpaimonthat'll put a bandaid on it for now09:32
Sazpaimonit's 2AM, i dont want to muck around with the system files09:33
Sazpaimon**Error**: You must have autoconf 2.63 or later installed.09:33
Sazpaimon:D09:33
Sazpaimonof course maemo doesnt supply that version09:33
Sazpaimonthere's an autoconf in maemo gitorious though09:34
Sazpaimonmaybe I can use that09:34
Sazpaimonokay, that seemed to work, that version of autoconf needs debianutils but screw it, I dont care I'll force it09:38
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psychologelarin, hello09:48
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Sazpaimonoh man it actually made it to configure this time09:52
Sazpaimonneeds grep-gnu09:52
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larinPsi, hi10:19
larinpsychologe, hi10:20
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yacc_Hmm, I wonder how to detect via lstat if a symlink uses an extra block or not, *scratch-head*10:37
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yacc_sigh, guess assuming 0 for lstat is a safe thing to do, nowadays, ...10:44
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ruskiehttp://wins.failblog.org/2011/04/19/epic-win-photos-cancelled-class-win/ <-- FTW12:39
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Khertan1Morning13:00
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RST38h"The US Army has announced that it will soon throw open an Android dev kit allowing apps to be written for use by soldiers on a variety of combat handsets and devices."13:56
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RST38h[the real question though is WHETHER THEY WILL HAVE AN APP STORE?]13:56
psycho_oreosI don't think the military will work like that internally13:57
ruskiethey might13:57
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psycho_oreosmilitary is just like any large company/organisation with trade secrets that are to be kept within the company/organisation itself13:58
ruskienot for the actual in-combat gear... but possibly stuff that soldiers can use in their personal time13:58
ruskieon their personal kit that is13:59
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psycho_oreosyou guys ran badblocks -w on N900 whilst its hooked onto computer via mass storage mode? thinking of doing it after getting incredibly slow performance and getting loads of bad blocks through mkfs.vfat14:00
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ruskieI'd say using vfat is the main issue really14:01
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psycho_oreoswell I intend to leave it as vfat or things like camera won't work with exotic filesystems (nice one nokia)14:03
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, camera works fine with exotic FSes...14:04
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ruskieI have ext3(everything else) and ext4(sd) on my n90014:04
psycho_oreosruskie, o.O it did? I tried ext3 last time and the camera cannot save the captured image14:04
ruskiethe problem with the camera is that it's locked to needing an actualy mount point to save to... can't be just a dir14:04
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: badblocks doesn't make sens on mmc14:04
jaskacant be a bind mount?:)14:05
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: The blocks are not real blocks. If you're seeing errors on MMC, there is no alternative but to get it warranty repaired.14:05
ruskiejaska, it could possibly14:05
ruskienot sure14:05
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, though according to this thread it seems like it helped: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-50506.html14:05
SpeedEvilThough I note that someone has reported swapping the emmc with success14:05
jaskahavent tested, just sprung to mind14:05
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ruskiehmm it only gives me on offer User data and the SD card when I try to change it14:06
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psycho_oreosruskie, yeah that I'm not too sure as yet on going about tackling it, the last I recall trying, everytime taking photos it just won't save14:06
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, well I've been using this config ever since I upgraded to 1.314:06
ruskiewhich was when... last year...14:07
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SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: It shouldn't - with a sane implementation ofear leveling in the SD. - who knows though14:07
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: I just made mydocs 4G14:07
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: works for me14:07
psycho_oreosruskie, hmm I don't recall when I last tried using camera with ext3 for mmc, might have been pr1.2 but I can't say for certain14:07
ruskiepsycho_oreos, the main thing is that /home/user/MyDocs needs to be a mounted FS14:08
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, *shrugs* I'm gonna give badblocks a few run and seeing if I can get better mileage out of my mmc14:08
SpeedEvilHope it works.14:08
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psycho_oreosruskie, yeah I did that :) manually added entry into /etc/fstab declaring it as ext3, though I recall vaguely that every reboot when mmc was stuck as ext3, I kept getting a popup banner about unsupported format or something14:09
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, hope it won't do something evil to my n900 lol, I'm reluctant to hand my n900 into nokia14:10
ruskiepsycho_oreos, fstab isn't actually used14:10
ruskieit gets recreated on each boot14:10
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ruskieunless you hammer adjust init scripts14:10
ruskiethey call a genfstab.awk or something like that14:11
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psycho_oreosruskie, nah I think I made it immutable14:11
ruskiedoesn't really help14:11
ruskieit won't be used14:11
ruskiemount doesn't actually use it14:11
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ruskiebecause all mounts are done as mount /a /b14:11
ruskieso it ignores stuff in fstab14:11
psycho_oreoshmm14:11
ruskieI really really need to make my use_fstab fixes get put into cssu14:12
psycho_oreosguess I'll have to have a look at it again14:12
ruskieyou can check User:Ruskie wiki page about it14:12
ruskieshould help you figure it out a bit more14:12
ruskieI seriously loathe the m5 init setup...14:13
psycho_oreosoh yeah speaking of making immutable stuff, I really hated how trackerd.conf gets overwritten automatically, all the ignore directories I've set previously are made unignored hence it starts scanning stuff from audiobooks directory and adding them in. Since making that conf file immutable I've been getting sed errors lol14:14
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ruskiehmm haven't seen that14:14
ruskiemy ignore dirs were actually ignored all the time14:14
psycho_oreosyeah I recall you had a note on making a portion of mmc as ext3 or something like that. I plan to make the entire mmc ext314:14
psycho_oreosmine wasn't14:15
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ruskieI have entire mmc repartitioned14:15
ruskiebut still split14:15
ruskie/home is the biggest14:15
psycho_oreosbetween /home/user and /home/user/MyDocs ?14:15
ruskie/opt and a symlink to /home/opt is probably ~2-4G...14:15
ruskieand /home/user/MyDocs is 2-4G iirc14:15
ruskie/home - 21G ; /opt - 4G ; /home/user/MyDocs - 5G14:16
ruskiesomething along those lines14:16
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ruskierounding errors not counted and FS overhead as well14:17
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psycho_oreosI'll look at the guide in a bit afterwards, also reminds me of checking which fs would treat flash memories nicer than others and seeing if they are available for n900 in some form14:18
ruskiewell anything with journal could potentially cause issues14:19
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psycho_oreosnotably ext3 :D14:19
psycho_oreosthen again ext3 can support single filesizes over 4G, unlike FAT32 and potentially ext214:20
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ruskieI thought ext2 doesn't have issue with FS14:21
ruskieanyway if running with a kernel that supports ext4 that can be helpful14:22
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psycho_oreosno, what I meant was that ext2 probably doesn't allow one to store a single file that has a size above 4G14:22
ruskieerm I'm rather sure it does14:22
psycho_oreostitan's power kernel has ext4 irc14:22
ruskieMax file size16 GB - 2 TB14:23
psycho_oreosif ext2 does then you have saved me for looking at other FS lol :D14:23
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ruskieyeah that's ext214:23
ruskieit depends on the block size... but 16gb is with 1KB block size14:24
ruskie2KB is 256G... after that it's 2TB14:24
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totalizatormy n800 got into a reboot loop, but only when I choose to boot from SD card, flash boot works fine, any ideas why and how can I fix it?14:32
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psycho_oreoshmm running this badblocks -w on mmc (N900) I guess judging by the speeds reported via gkrellm the mmc performs as fast as class10? :D15:04
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ShadowJKClass X is minimum sequential write performance on a fresh card.15:09
ShadowJKIt says nothing about average, maximum or non-sequential access or mixed read/write access15:09
ShadowJKnot to mention a used card15:09
liaris anyone of you running wine (built for x86) on his n900 :)?15:12
joga...how?15:12
robbiethe1stYou'd be running Wine on top of Qemu15:12
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jogasounds blazing fast15:13
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liaryeah wine on top of a x86 chroot15:14
ShadowJKyou can't run x8y chroot on arm15:15
ShadowJKx86*15:15
psycho_oreosand class rating is reserved for sd -_-'. In terms of linear writing the mmc I suspect performs at similar speeds to topram 32gb class10 microsd15:15
liaryou can... qemu user mode emulation^^15:15
ShadowJKThat's not chroot15:16
ShadowJKwell..15:16
ShadowJKi guess you'd do both :)15:16
liari do both15:17
liar:)15:17
psycho_oreosthe terminology isn't used quite correctly :p15:17
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nussehello maemo-world15:48
Spydemondid someone knows how transfer a binary from scratchbox to N900 ? :-\15:48
nussedoes the jabberclient support http-binding?15:48
nusseSpydemon: scp?15:48
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Spydemonnusse, so i must install ssh on my phone, and connect him to internet ?15:50
Spydemoncan't i use a easier way ?15:50
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nussemount the phone using your desktop and use cp?15:54
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the_lordHi! I'm getting a memory not accessible. unable to save content in the camera app15:55
the_lordI've already fsck'ed my MyDocs partition15:56
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psycho_oreosSpydemon, you could just use mass storage mode and transfer the binary across from there16:08
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psycho_oreosany of you have clues as to which nand it is on N900 (as mmc)? I can see its Toshiba, but is it onenand or just nand?16:23
SpeedEvilThe MMC is not onenand16:25
SpeedEvilit's emmc16:25
DocScrutinizer*sigh* I stepped on my N900, after dropping it to the floor :-(( Rugged quality, still works, but rather scratched frame and case now16:25
SpeedEvilThis is a mmc card in a wirrd BGA16:25
SpeedEvilwierd16:25
DocScrutinizerindeed16:25
psycho_oreosahh its nand, damn16:25
SpeedEvilIt's managed NAND.16:26
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SpeedEvilThe onenand is unmanaged16:26
DocScrutinizerfor the particular build see my highres scans16:27
psycho_oreosyeah I don't know whats the difference between that as well, I do recall seeing onenand errors at boot, those must be related to that rootfs16:27
DocScrutinizerrootfs is on that 256MB oneNAND16:27
DocScrutinizerPoP16:27
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: onenand errors are expected, and should be managed properly by the kernel.16:27
SpeedEvilNokia-N900:/sys/class/ubi/ubi0# cat bad_peb_count16:28
SpeedEvil116:28
SpeedEvilFor example - my onenand has one bad block16:28
DocScrutinizeraah now we're back to that gane16:29
DocScrutinizergame :-)16:29
DocScrutinizer016:29
jaska0 \o/16:30
DocScrutinizerand 016:30
SpeedEvilThe emmc pretends to be a perfect error-free device.16:30
DocScrutinizeralways, until it ceases to work16:31
SpeedEvilAnd has no way of signalling to the user that it's about to run out of spare blocks.16:31
SpeedEvilAt which time random bad stuff happens.16:31
DocScrutinizeryoh16:31
trx8 o_O16:32
DocScrutinizernp16:32
DocScrutinizerI think everything under a few dozen is OK16:33
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SpeedEvilreserved_for_bad here is 2016:33
SpeedEvilSo I suspect that >20 would be bad16:33
DocScrutinizerwould need some action to fix16:34
DocScrutinizerlike new lowlevel formating16:34
DocScrutinizerbut also would be a sign of pending trouble16:34
SpeedEvilhttp://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=90019516:36
SpeedEvilwow16:37
SpeedEvil128G16:37
DocScrutinizereh?16:37
SpeedEviloops16:37
SpeedEvildid I get confused on B and b16:37
* SpeedEvil sighs16:37
SpeedEvilOh - no16:37
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DocScrutinizernope, that's clearly GBytes16:39
DocScrutinizerwhich means it's up to 4 times we got on N900 now16:39
GAN900Be very, very frightened.16:40
SpeedEvilI think in principle it'd be a straight swap.16:40
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SpeedEvilGAN900: http://xkcd.com/691/ ?16:41
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DocScrutinizerTHOSHIBA THGBM1G8D8EBA12 R76244 JAPAN 0936MBE  http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/16:45
SpeedEvilyeah - I googled that a while back, and got a store selling them quite cheap16:45
SpeedEvilnot now though16:46
crashanddiehahaha16:47
DocScrutinizerI think those are standardized interface and footprint16:48
crashanddieOne of my devs, not very good with spelling16:48
crashanddieImplemented a feature on the VoIP server to track the RTP packets going in and out16:48
DocScrutinizerVoIP server? o.O You mean gateway?16:49
DocScrutinizeror do you relay?16:49
crashanddie"read_write_list_field(cunt_paquet, T_system_voip_paquet_cunt *)"16:49
DocScrutinizerLOL16:49
trxhaha16:49
DocScrutinizerhail sed16:50
MohammadAGhildon has that fyi16:50
DocScrutinizerbuilt-in cunts?16:50
MohammadAGdbus_cunt, it's the phone app I think16:50
DocScrutinizerhihihihi16:51
MohammadAGthe dbus connection to the phone app is called dbus_cunt16:51
MohammadAGI'm guessing cause it's closed source16:51
DocScrutinizerhaha16:51
trxhahaha16:51
DocScrutinizerrotfl16:51
psycho_oreosthanks for the info guys, I went away on phone call, and now am having to play the catchup mode :) I should probably get myself a supper whilst at it16:52
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: wait a minute...16:52
psycho_oreosyup?16:52
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf16:53
DocScrutinizerfor an extended supper16:53
psycho_oreoslol :D16:53
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psycho_oreosfor that I think I'll need coffee, not ideal at this time of night for me. I'll have a quick scan through and have a good look tomorrow morning16:54
psycho_oreosthanks again16:54
DocScrutinizerFTL is the main difference between oneNAND and (e)MMC16:55
MohammadAGit's a gboolean actually, indicates an active call & screen locked16:55
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/util/hd-dbus.c#line2916:56
crashanddieMohammadAG, thanks, you just gave empirical proof that geeks can't hack their way into closed cunts ;)16:56
crashanddieactually, that one is GPL, so it's an open cunt...16:56
DocScrutinizer:-P16:56
crashanddieok, enough of that, otherwise I'll have to kick myself16:56
MohammadAGlmfao16:57
psycho_oreosmmmm making me really hungry ;)16:57
psycho_oreosprivate cunt vs public cunt16:57
DocScrutinizerprivate cunt - LOL16:57
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, so wait, they can't hack into open ones either?16:58
DocScrutinizeryou can't hack any cunt. Cunt will hack you16:58
MohammadAGthis ain't soviet russia :P16:58
DocScrutinizercunts are worst of soviet all over the world16:59
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crashanddieMohammadAG, ever seen American Pie?17:00
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, 7 :p17:00
Khertan1hum ... my works adsl is so slow.... 2 hours to get my own qt4.7.2 package17:00
crashanddieMohammadAG, nerd gets open pu... "platform" presented to him, and fails before ever getting close.17:00
Khertan1s/works adsl/adsl at work17:01
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DocScrutinizerbtw look at D5200 p.3 schematics. LOL - 10 data pins (incl CMD and CLK), and some 50 nah 100 GND pins :-P17:08
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DocScrutinizerok, there are another 5 + 4 + 1 pins for different VDD17:11
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luke-jrwasn't there a Google Voice module for Maemo? O.o17:19
ZogGluke-jr i thik it was17:20
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ZogGcheck TMO17:20
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merlin1991X-Fade: ping17:21
Sazpaimonof course the build fails while I'm asleep17:21
luke-jryeah, I see it on http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/ but not in pkg list17:21
ZogGluke-jr еруку цфы ыщьуерштп удыу фы цудд ш ерштл17:23
ZogGoops17:23
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: was this you who considered buying spare speakers?17:23
luke-jrno17:23
ZogGthere was something else as well i think17:23
DocScrutinizerpupnik_: you?17:23
luke-jrGoogle Voice Plugin for Conversations and Calls17:24
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Sazpaimonof course the damn build fails in my sleep due to rootfs running out of space17:25
Sazpaimoni hate building on an N90017:25
Sazpaimoni hate it17:25
DocScrutinizeryay17:25
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Sazpaimoni swear once this gets built the first thing I'm gonna do is nuke build_essenial17:27
E0xn900 support microSDHC ?17:28
jaskayeah.. i have a 32GB microsdhc in mine17:29
ZogGDocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/SEett.jpg17:29
E0xjaska: cool , thx17:29
jaskahave yet to find microsdxc anywhere tho..17:29
jaska64 gig+ ones17:29
ZogGDocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/PEp1U.jpg17:29
ZogGDocScrutinizer, i still have chance right/17:30
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DocScrutinizerZogG: yes, you're lucky as all 5 electric pads seem OK. You'll need to use epoxy though to fix the rcptcl to main board as the mech support pads are mostly broken17:34
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DocScrutinizerthe small copper dots are the left over vias, while the copper colored areas on rcptcl are where the pads got off and won't solder17:35
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DocScrutinizerrctcl itself seems broken, all 5 pins luckily stuck to PCB main board17:36
ZogGDocScrutinizer on second pic you can see pads have a little bit solid and i'll use eproxy or really good glue17:37
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DocScrutinizerthe FPC to daughter board has a weird angle, maybe it's only the photo perspective17:37
DocScrutinizerepoxy glue17:37
DocScrutinizerplug in a waxed USB plug while gluing17:38
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DocScrutinizerto avoid the epoxy glue clogs the receptacle17:39
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DocScrutinizerwax it to avoid the plug getting glued permanently into receptacle17:39
DocScrutinizeror you actually dare using a thru-hole type receptacle and drill holes to the mainboard17:41
DocScrutinizerfor the mech supports only!!17:41
DocScrutinizerNOT for the electrical 5 pins17:41
ZogGDocScrutinizer ьур шэдд пдгу ше17:42
ZogGmeh i'll glue it17:42
DocScrutinizeryoh17:42
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ZogGwaiting for connector part i ordered17:42
pupnik_DocScrutinizer: I17:43
DocScrutinizerfor increased ruggedness you may consider soldering or gluing a support metal sheet in top of next shielding can and USB rcptcl17:44
DocScrutinizerpupnik_: I got mine from ownta, all ok17:44
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pupnik_are they a different build-type that happens to fit?17:45
pupnik_do they look like the speakers pictures on their website, or the speakers pictured in my photos17:46
DocScrutinizerI got 4 like those N81(?) that look like the ones in my N900 (ordered 4 actually) - plus one that looks like the picture they got on the N900 offer17:46
DocScrutinizerdunno why they still keep the wrong photo for the N900 speakers17:47
pupnik_ok ty17:48
DocScrutinizereven less I know why they sent me one of those speakers for free17:48
pupnik_perhaps they sent it because of the email you sent17:48
DocScrutinizeryes, probably17:48
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DocScrutinizerwell, my err report(?) is on their product page now17:49
DocScrutinizerthe link to correct picture doesn't work anymore17:50
DocScrutinizerbut the N81(?) speaker is still there17:50
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DocScrutinizerZogG: what's with your FPC to daughter board? why does it look like 105° instead of 90° ?17:53
ZogGDocScrutinizer ?17:53
ZogGFPS?17:53
DocScrutinizerthe "ribbon" left of USB pads17:53
DocScrutinizerflat plastic connector17:54
DocScrutinizerthe brown flimsy thing17:54
DocScrutinizertake care of it!17:54
DocScrutinizerif it breaks there's no way to fix it17:54
ZogGאישא בםממקבאד איק ןברםSD?17:55
DocScrutinizeruhuh17:55
ZogGthat connect microSD?17:55
DocScrutinizeryep17:55
ZogGoh17:55
DocScrutinizerand camera flash LED17:55
ZogGit's ok17:55
DocScrutinizerit's ill-looking on those photos17:55
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DocScrutinizermaybe it's just perspectivw17:56
DocScrutinizermaybe it's just perspective17:56
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ZogGit's not straigh but it's on it's plcae for sure17:57
DocScrutinizerwell, you'll 'only' lose microSD and flashlight17:59
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DocScrutinizerI think it's yous a bit bent, and that makes the photo look weird18:00
DocScrutinizers/yous/just/18:00
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: I think it's just a bit bent, and that makes the photo look weird18:00
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DocScrutinizerZogG: anyway good luck!18:03
ZogGthanx18:03
ZogGi'll be back! tadadaaa18:03
DocScrutinizermake sure you thoroughly clean the areas to glue, with trichlor and a brush or sth18:04
DocScrutinizerscratch the green areas18:05
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DocScrutinizeror use sandpaper18:05
DocScrutinizeralso scratch the silver areas18:06
DocScrutinizerremove the broken loose contact pins from PCB with a hot iron first of all. You don't want them around when soldering the new rctcl18:07
DocScrutinizeruse electronic(!!) flux for soldering18:08
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ZogGi'll give my friend he knows what to do... i hope =)18:10
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DocScrutinizertape a plastic or wood stick (lolly, icecream...) to main and daughter PCB, to protect the FPC18:12
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DocScrutinizerdon't worry about the (scotch) tape, the PCBs won't mind pulling it off again18:13
DocScrutinizeralso protect lens of camera with a patch of sticky tape18:14
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DocScrutinizerand of course you want to remove the PCB from lower half of housing18:16
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ZogGhttp://i.imgur.com/Uyhxg.jpg18:27
ZogGpray =)18:28
nid05 people failed18:28
ZogGthey would crash18:29
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OkropNickI need external power bank for N900. Is it 3.7V enough to charge it?19:06
slonopotamusdoubt. 5V should be fine (that's what usb has, isn't it?)19:07
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OkropNickI don't know, that's why I am asking...19:10
VenemoOkropNick, the battery is 3.7V19:11
OkropNickyes, but if I would like to charge it from battery power bank - it should have 5V at output?19:11
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ShadowJKThe charger chip needs something like 4.6V to function, I believe19:14
OkropNickOk, thanks19:15
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ShadowJKBut most sensible external power banks actually have a boost converter to boost their internal 3.7V (nominal) battery to 5V19:20
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Sazpaimonoh my god this program is *still* building19:47
Sazpaimon8 hours later19:47
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Sazpaimonremind me never to build anything for an N900 *on* an N900 ever again19:48
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wmarone__yeah it's not the fastest thing in the world19:49
wmarone__though I suspect your big killer is IO19:49
ZogGSazpaimon lol19:50
ZogGcompiling=)19:50
Sazpaimonwmarone__, yeah i tried ocing to 1100 and it didn't change the speed at all19:50
Sazpaimonit just got hotter19:50
wmarone__yeah19:50
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wmarone__it probably builds faster, but you just spend all the time waiting on disk IO19:50
Sazpaimonit probably would have taken less time to fix scratchbox19:51
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Sazpaimonthough i dont think scratchbox's qemu can compile asm very well19:52
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Sazpaimoni think it's been building the same 10 files over and over again19:55
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Sazpaimonsometimes I hate debian's build process19:55
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Sazpaimonwhy does it recompile a program from scratch for a different package19:55
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Sazpaimonthe .o files don't change between builds, its mostly just configure options19:56
slonopotamususe ccache?19:56
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slonopotamusor try updating sbox qemu to newer one19:58
Sazpaimoni asked earlier if that can be done and I never got a response19:58
slonopotamuswhy not?19:58
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Sazpaimonbecause i was told before that scratchbox's qemu is hacked up19:59
Sazpaimoncan i just replace the qemu-arm-sb with a newer qemu-arm?19:59
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slonopotamusyou can try at least. i guess it should work19:59
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slonopotamusfrom my experiments, most stable arm emulation is in qemu-0.12.{4,5} currently20:07
slonopotamus0.13.x and 0.14.x segfault from time to time20:08
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slonopotamusSazpaimon: wait, you said you have troubles compiling asm. doesn't sbox use i386 gcc/binutils?20:13
slonopotamusSazpaimon: i mean, crosscompiler20:13
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50UAAK1V7My charger port broke again21:15
50UAAK1V7Is it safe to charge the BL-5J with a N97 mini?21:15
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ZogG50UAAK1V7 i think so21:21
ZogGwas it break physicly?21:21
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fralslcuk: replied to your email... for some reason exchange deemed it worthy of the junk mail folder :P21:38
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lcukfrals, because there was no bodytext21:41
fralsya21:41
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lcukhaven't seen your reply though yet lol21:42
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penguinbaitelsie :)21:43
penguinbaitUK21:43
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lcukello penguinbait \o21:44
penguinbaitI can't look at the word luck without my dyslexia kicking in21:44
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fralsle coq21:45
lcukI do hope luck is on my side :)21:45
fralsso when are you coming to HEL so we can go to hemingways lcuk?21:45
lcuk:D frals, did you see qole's jacket at the conference?21:45
fralsnope21:46
penguinbaitpimp constume?21:46
fralsbetter make it soon or else none will be here to join you ;)21:46
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lcukpenguinbait, no, simpler21:46
lcukhe got a nice tweet jacket and cap21:46
lcukfrals, I will bring my n900 on tour asap21:47
penguinbaithttp://penguinbait.com/thegang.jpg21:47
lcukSampo keeps tempting me by reminding about the pizza21:47
* lcuk wants a kebab from there21:47
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penguinbaithttp://penguinbait.com/pimp-qole.jpg21:48
fralslol21:49
penguinbaithttp://penguinbait.com/qgilcouncil.jpg21:49
penguinbaitthats the one I was looking for21:49
50UAAK1V7ZogG: It didn't get hot, has the same voltage and same connectors. Only issue was I had to run ntpd -d to fix the time21:50
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penguinbaitor the collect all 6 pic - http://penguinbait.com/collectall6.jpg21:50
penguinbaitthe evil penguin overlord21:51
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penguinbaitah the good ole days21:53
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lcukpenguinbait, we never did choose a mascot21:56
lcukor did we?21:56
penguinbaitdon't think so21:56
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penguinbaitI say we use qgil with that pimp costume, http://penguinbait.com/pimp-quim.jpg21:59
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Venemopenguinbait, these pics are LOL22:01
penguinbaitIt took me a few to find them on talk, its hard to believe its been almost 3 years since then22:04
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GAN900qole tweed was rockin'22:06
GAN900s/qole/qole's/22:06
infobotGAN900 meant: qole's tweed was rockin'22:06
penguinbaitmore than this http://penguinbait.com/pimp-ga.jpg22:07
penguinbait?22:07
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pupnik_very funny22:08
pupnik_i need an outfit like that22:09
Khertanstill no leaked pictures of the n950 ?22:09
pupnik_nice job penguinbait22:10
penguinbaitdon't forget the evil pb http://penguinbait.com/evil-pb.jpg22:11
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pupnik_what's an image hosting service that accepts tiny gifs?22:15
pupnik_nice :D22:16
GAN900penguibait, much classier.22:16
Khertanhttp://www.meegotabletcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nokia-meego.jpg22:16
Khertanhttp://img2.generation-nt.com/nokia-n9-leak-01_090258018E00672861.jpg <<< the "rumored" n9 didn't look so bad22:17
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meceKhertan, unfortunately that one got cancelled22:18
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meceor so I hear.22:18
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zakkkkmmanyone know why in maemo,when i send a sms message, it sends it twice to the person?22:23
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Khertanmece: yep i hear that too. Probably a microsoft conflict22:27
Khertanzakkkkmm: because your phone operator sucks22:27
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Khertanzakkkkmm: there is no reason it send it twice22:27
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zakkkkmmit didnt happen with other phones.22:27
zakkkkmmthis is my 3rd phone22:28
meceKhertan, well regardless, It's bad for people who want a proper device. Rumors strongly suggest no keyboard for N950 :/22:28
Khertanmece: ?hu?22:28
mecezakkkkmm, peculiar.22:28
trxmaybe you press "send" twice?22:28
Khertanmece: seriously ...22:28
SpeedEvilWorks for me. (single SMSs)22:28
meceKhertan, 's what I hear.22:28
zakkkkmmjust once, it happening to all my sms messages.22:28
* SpeedEvil stabs the messenger.22:28
meceLOL22:28
Khertanmece: it ll a stupid decision, or maybe a intelligent one if they don't want meego to eat their ms phone22:29
Khertansales22:29
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Sazpaimonuh, why does fakeroot segfault on my n90022:33
GAN900Rumors are probably pretty meaningless at this point.22:34
SpeedEvilyeah.22:34
KhertanGAN900: true22:34
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penguinbaitI thought LG made the rumor?22:35
Khertannoone want to compile vim with +python for n900 ?22:35
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meceKhertan, perhaps. Might also be this one: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tablet_14.jpg22:39
meceKhertan, regarding meaningless rumors...22:39
Khertanmece: we'll be funny to see people using that for phoning22:40
Khertan... must go on22:40
Khertanbye22:40
mecehehe22:40
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SazpaimonKhertan, it'd basically be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhk_OL-5aVo22:54
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MohammadAG~seen javispedro23:08
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 22h 39m 10s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.23:08
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thomasjfox~seen StephenElop23:09
infoboti haven't seen 'stephenelop', thomasjfox23:09
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DocScrutinizer51lol23:24
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kwtmpreparing for PR 1.3.3.7.  Is it a "23:36
kwtmpreparing for PR 1.3.3.7.  Is it a "combined Fiasco image" reflash, just like updating from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3?  Do I need to reflash eMMC?23:36
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pupnik_improved bartender http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/3568088.gif23:44
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