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divansantanaAnyone have an idea on how to hack your phone so you can save to /home/user/* and not MyDocs. The "HildonFileChooserDialog"(I think) only says Nokia N900(/home/user/MyDocs) or Memory Card. This is useful to change after a repartition00:06
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yaccdivansantana, as a hackish solution that comes to mind would be ln -s /home/user /home/user/MyDocs and mounting MyDocs somewhere else?00:10
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divansantanayacc: thanks,Hmm thats an option.. Otherwise I might umount MyDocs and simply mount /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM as the vfat partition, since I only need vfat for camera app I think00:14
yaccdivansantana, probably only if you want to access it from a host as a vfat filesystem?00:14
yaccI don't think that vfat offers that much over native filesystems. Possible but I don't think overly so.00:15
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divansantanaapparently the camera app doesn't work in ext300:16
divansantanaonly reason i kept vfat00:16
divansantanaI don00:16
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divansantanai dont mind regarding accessing it via usb host00:16
divansantanai'll try my suggesting and see how it goes thanks :)00:17
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timeless_w7ipuacc: supporting cameras and host mode isn't "important"?00:18
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DocScrutinizer51yacc: divansantana bindmount00:18
* timeless_w7ip thinks those are quite valuable00:18
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yaccDocScrutinizer51, yeah, that's even better. :)00:18
yaccdivansantana, what you probably need is MyDocs => many apps are configured to stuff data in there by default, ...00:19
timeless_w7ipdivansantana: why do you need files in ~ ?00:19
divansantanasupporting camera is important, host usb connect for me isn't since I copy most data over wifi.00:19
DocScrutinizer51symlinks seem not working on FAT00:19
timeless_w7ipfat doesn't have a concept of symlinks...00:19
FIQ|n900FAT = much compatibility00:20
divansantanabecause I repartitioned my memory so 27G is ext3 /home/user and 2 G is vfat /home/user/MyDocs as per wiki00:20
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FIQ|n900no other adventages00:20
yaccDocScrutinizer51, well, yes, vfat does not have a concept of inodes, the metadata is stored directly in the directory entry too, only one timestamp value with 2-seconds precision, and so on, ...00:20
timeless_w7ipfiq: simplicity is an advantage00:20
divansantanadid this so I can use kontact touch and store all my local mail which doesn't work on vfat and stores mail in ~/.local/share/akonadi00:20
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yaccDocScrutinizer51, but this is rather stuff that will make apps requiring unix semantics fail on fat fs, but seldom make apps that expect vfat fs to fail on unix fs. ;)00:21
timeless_w7ipwhy won't mail work on vfat?00:21
FIQ|n900hmm00:21
timeless_w7ipyou could make ~/.local a symlink into MyDocs00:21
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FIQ|n900can't you symlink the other way around at least?00:21
yaccDocScrutinizer51, the only thing that comes to mind, vfat is semi-case-insensitive, I have to admit that I have no idea how the Linux vfat.ko handles that, ...00:21
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FIQ|n900i.e. from ~/foo to ~/MyDocs/foo00:21
timeless_w7ip~/foo to ~/MyDocs/.private/foo00:22
divansantanaakonadi doesn't start on vfat .00:22
timeless_w7ip"start"?00:22
timeless_w7ipyou don't run programs from vfat00:22
FIQ|n900hm00:22
FIQ|n900vfat doesn't have executable flags00:22
divansantanaakonadictl start fails.00:23
yacctimeless_w7ip, well, some classical pattern for non-locking safe access to files rely relatively strong on Unix semantics, e.g. everything that fails on NFS might fail on VFAT too.00:23
FIQ|n900IIRC, it will be "always on" or "always off" (or maybe always off?)00:23
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yacctimeless_w7ip, actually that's a question of mount options, but yes, usually it makes no sense.00:23
yacctimeless_w7ip, vfat has no concept of access rights (e.g. executable), hence these come from the mount option.00:24
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yaccWonder if the RadioTime client can be made to call a different player. Actually a script that inserts the URLs into the normal media player database would be enough, ...00:25
FIQ|n900hm00:25
yaccRadioTimeToGo is to jumpy with alternative streams. Seems the chances to get a really dead stream url are much better if you jump on problems, instead of just reopening the existing url, ...00:26
yaccsigh.00:27
FIQ|n900Autocapsing is pretty annoying sometimes (i've it turned off nowdays)00:29
timeless_w7ipyacc: why are you telling me this?00:30
timeless_w7ipdoes it sound like i don't  know this?00:30
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timeless_w7ipdoes it sound like i care?00:30
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FIQ|n900There's only one way to (temporary) disable it in a context, that is, by holding shift when typing it (as shift will do lower letters when caps is on). No matter what you do, the setting will not go away (like on usually phones if you temporary want it off).00:30
yacctimeless_w7ip, wrong addressing ;)00:30
timeless_w7ipyacc: please be more careful00:30
FIQ|n900I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there00:31
FIQ|n900I ended up shutting off it completly00:31
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yaccFIQ|n900, well, actually, you can also type in 2 letters, and backspace the first one :-P00:31
FIQ|n900that was what i meant with <FIQ|n900> I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there00:32
FIQ|n900:P00:32
yaccFIQ|n900, lol, my solution too, I turned it off :)00:32
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DocScrutinizer51you are aware shift will uncapitalize autocaped first chars?00:35
FIQ|n900yes00:36
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FIQ|n900but only if holded00:36
FIQ|n900just pressing will not actually work00:36
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DocScrutinizer51not that it sucks less when knowing/using this00:36
FIQ|n900(as i expected it would)00:36
FIQ|n900and that doesn't really make sense00:37
DocScrutinizer51I disabled all that shit00:37
DocScrutinizer51auto-*00:37
DocScrutinizer51eat it!00:37
FIQ|n900I went into settings for text input and just unchecked everything except autocapsing00:38
FIQ|n900I though it would be useful00:38
FIQ|n900but w/o any good way to dodge it, I turned it off as well00:38
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timeless_w7ipheh00:40
timeless_w7ipauto complete isn't bad w/ auto comp editor00:40
yaccWell, I guess we are all slightly the hardware keyboard type of user, or we would be using a different device, ...00:40
timeless_w7ipyacc: well00:40
timeless_w7ip#maemo supports the 770/n80000:40
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timeless_w7ipboth of which don't have hardware keyboards00:40
yaccBetter a better keyboard than all kinds of magic that bites one in the posterior :)00:41
FIQ|n900and also very old00:41
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yacctimeless_w7ip, well, and I wondered how I could turn off the softkeyboard, ...00:41
FIQ|n900and not commonly used anymore00:41
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timeless_w7ipyacc: there's a checkbox in text input to do that..00:41
yaccGood idea ;)00:42
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yacctimeless_w7ip, :) it has been already disabled, and seems like I do not need to open the keyboard when plugging into USB, ...00:43
yacc:)00:43
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DocScrutinizer51knightstalker: you might want to set up auto-authenticate, or disable nameserv enforce00:44
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yacctimeless_w7ip, well, autocomplete does not handle my usecase which includes using different languages with different people ;)00:48
yacctimeless_w7ip, German/English are similar but not THAT similar ;)00:48
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timeless_w7ipyacc: dual dictionary?00:49
yaccAnd how do I use that?00:49
timeless_w7ipthere's a check box for it in text input00:49
DocScrutinizer51ctl-space *should# handle this, but seems is buggy00:49
yaccYeah, I know, but there is no documentation how to use it ;)00:49
timeless_w7ipin theory it should complete from both ...00:50
DocScrutinizer51it's simple: forget it00:50
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RST38hCtrl+Space does not change physical keyboard language. It is broken by design.00:52
RST38hTo make it change things, set second language to Russian, then modify the keymap. Yes, it is the only way [sic]00:53
DocScrutinizer51I found friggin autocomplete slows my typing down by factor 3 while causing double the keystrkes, blus migraine00:53
RST38hDoc: Switch it off? =)00:53
DocScrutinizer51you doon't think I used autocomplete last or this year, do you?00:54
DocScrutinizer51In fact it got disabled bfore battery had one full charge cycle :)00:55
DocScrutinizer51autocaps took like 6 weeks to die00:56
RST38hNo, I don't...00:56
RST38hHm, another tmo busybody asking for removing others' "privileges"00:57
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jigrap`is it possible to force reflashing of my n900?01:15
jigrap`i run the flasher and it doesnt do anything it just boots into the phone01:16
jigrap`I want to wipe out the install and do a fresh flush01:16
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SpeedEvilDoes the USB port on your phone work normally?01:20
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jigrap`got it nvm01:22
jigrap`yea01:22
jigrap`for some reason it was rebooting itself01:22
jigrap`it will show the nokia sign01:22
jigrap`for a few seconds then reboot itself01:23
jigrap`i think i fixed it by taking out the battery01:23
jigrap`and letting it sit for a bit01:23
jigrap`now it seems to be flashing01:23
jigrap`not sure if it will clear everything01:23
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jigrap`bummer it seems to have flashed it but the contents didnt get deleted01:27
nid0what contents01:27
jigrap`my customizations and stuff01:27
jigrap`and all the apps i installed to it01:27
nid0it didnt flash then01:28
jigrap`also it still has my pin01:28
jigrap`-F fiasco.bin -f -R ?01:28
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ShadowJKThere are two flashing images. One flashes the rootfs, which only contains the operating system, no settings or user files are stored there. The other image flashes the emmc, which contains user settings and files. Pay attention to the instructions: if you flash emmc you must also flash rootfs image01:28
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jigrap`RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin its the one I used01:29
Clmbrhalo01:29
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jigrap`I guess I need the emmc one too01:30
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ShadowJKI guess you could use a site such as pastebin.com to show us the output of your flashing attempt01:31
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jigrap`sure, http://pastebin.com/rwmDJMSn01:34
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jigrap`I'm trying the emmc one now01:43
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jigrap`the emmc didnt work either :(01:47
jigrap`i mean the process completed but it kept my settings01:47
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ShadowJKvery weird01:49
jigrap`actually everything is gone but my pin01:49
jigrap`i was assuming everything was there because it kept my pin01:50
jigrap`my bad01:50
jigrap`sorry about this01:50
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ShadowJKpin is stored in the sim card01:51
ShadowJKlock code isn't erasable by flashing01:51
jigrap`no sim i think its the lock code01:52
jigrap`ahh ok01:52
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* GeneralAntilles wishes you could Thank! mailing list posts. http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003847.html05:56
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RST38hGAN: Just move. =)06:01
GAN900RST38h, had a high of 79°F today and I wasn't filmed by any government cameras on my way to work.06:02
GAN900Also: no state income tax.06:03
GAN900I'll stay, thanks. :P06:03
RST38h80oF here as well. Sucks.06:04
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Termanagood morning07:33
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mece\o09:27
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mecealterego, man, there's no way in hell you can live up to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980953&postcount=8409:52
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crashanddie_Guest1766, enough with the stupid namechanging10:20
chxcrashanddie_: that's the client + nickserv10:20
crashanddie_chx, like I care?10:21
chxcrashanddie_: the client tries to assume knightstalker it's a protected nick so nickserv kicks back to guest*10:21
chxcrashanddie_: i have seen stupid enough clients getting into an infinite loop over it ....10:21
crashanddie_thanks, and now he can fix it10:21
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timeless_w7ipchx: i'm with crashanddie_ on this10:26
timeless_w7ipthe user should get a new nick or be banned10:26
crashanddie_GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!!10:27
* timeless_w7ip offers feathers10:27
timeless_w7ipBYOT (bring your own tar)10:27
timeless_w7ipyou have the choice of gnu tar or bsd tar :)10:27
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timeless_w7ipyou could try busybox tar, but it may be incompatible w/ my feathers :)10:28
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, you seem to know shit about iOS, can baseband 3.10.01 be unlocked?10:39
crashanddie_baseband wut modafuka?10:40
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MohammadAGiPhone 4 modem baseband :P10:40
crashanddie_No idea10:40
crashanddie_Funky http://jtnimoy.net.nyud.net/workviewer.php?q=17810:41
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drackhello11:12
zalebHay drack leuk dat je wat zegt11:12
drackimenglish11:12
drackenglish11:12
ruskiehehe11:12
drackhi im wondering how i backup the rom11:13
drackdo i use the backup restore settingin settings?11:13
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pupnikopen browser, tap screen, wait two days.... food arrives!!!  http://i.imgur.com/hSeNz.jpg  :D11:14
pupnikdelivered right to my doorstep! :)11:14
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ruskielazy much11:25
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drackhello ruskie can you help me?11:25
ruskienot really11:26
DocScrutinizermoo11:26
drackDoc can you help?11:26
DocScrutinizerwhat?11:26
drackhi im wondering how i backup the rom11:26
drackdo i use the backup restore settingin settings?11:26
DocScrutinizerthere's no rom11:26
DocScrutinizerbackup/restore app is what you need11:26
DocScrutinizersee11:26
DocScrutinizer~flash11:26
infobotflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware11:26
drackwhat if i want to restore to  default kernel11:26
DocScrutinizer~flash11:26
infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware11:26
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drackmy n900 is unlocked . what will affect its unlockedness?11:47
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chem|stcrashanddie_: getting worse with people like nuknuk being awake again11:47
chem|stdrack: what do you mean by unlocked?11:48
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chem|stoperator unlocked?11:48
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chem|stautolock, security lock, screen & kbd lock....11:49
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drackkmy carriier is unlocked11:53
drackkorthe gsm is unlocked11:53
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drackkits unlocked so i can use any carrier11:56
drackk?11:56
drackkhello?11:56
chem|stdrackk: wont lock itself in a mysterious way will it?11:56
chem|stpatience little padawan11:56
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drackkno i mean if i restore the firmware will it?11:57
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DocScrutinizerno11:58
crashanddie_drackk, why would it?11:58
drackkif i change the kernel will it?11:58
crashanddie_no11:59
DocScrutinizerNO11:59
drackkok cool11:59
chem|stdrackk: why should it? and you do not restore the firmware like in "restore back to what was on a locked device" you will flash a normal new untouched firmware to it and you are good11:59
chem|st(no carrier ever touched)11:59
DocScrutinizerexcept for UK ;-P11:59
MohammadAGit's not an iPhone11:59
drackkoh11:59
* Treibholz is testing Nitdroid...12:00
Treibholzhi chem|st12:00
MohammadAG:P12:00
chem|sthi Treibholz12:00
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chem|stTreibholz: you are trying the bright side?12:00
DocScrutinizer*burrp*12:00
chem|stTreibholz: stay with us in the dark, we have cookies and can make phonecalls^^12:01
DocScrutinizerhehe12:01
TreibholzAndroid is running better on the n900 than Meego... Thats so embarrassing...12:01
Treibholzchem|st: I hate phonecalls! :-)12:01
DocScrutinizerdon't buy tincans!12:01
chem|stor even reep-cord12:02
MohammadAGfor (int x = 0; x < ui->playlistList->count(); x++) <-- that should iterate over all items right?12:02
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: very poor coding I'd guess12:03
MohammadAGerr, how?12:03
DocScrutinizerplaylist->count might be *heavy*, and gets executed for each iteration aiui12:03
MohammadAGit isn't heavy12:04
DocScrutinizeryou dunno12:04
MohammadAGactually, I do know :p12:04
DocScrutinizerok12:04
drackkhttp://nokian900.tv/backup-and-restore-on-n90012:04
drackkis this like flashing?12:04
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chem|stno that ti backup and restore12:05
drackkoh like just files12:06
chem|stdrackk: we try to keep it simple! what is your problem?12:06
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chem|stdrackk: you tell me your problem and I help you get rid of it, deal?12:06
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DocScrutinizerhehe12:06
chem|stdrackk: that way we keep out silly questions and you googling BS out of the internets12:07
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, time in milliseconds to get the count of all items in a 700-item list, 0ms12:07
DocScrutinizerchem|st: why aren't you on access list?12:07
chem|stall you need is written down in the wiki (even typos get updated there^^)12:07
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I have no idea12:08
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I suggest an addition to access list12:08
drackkno problem    i just want to be sure i know how to restore to default kernel if i messup putting on a different kernel like for wl1251 bleeding edge wifi12:08
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MohammadAGI'm guessing the confusion is from iPhone terms12:08
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: never asked for it as always some "rather" good people are around...12:09
MohammadAG"Restore" means reflash back to factory settings12:09
MohammadAG(in iTunes that is)12:09
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DocScrutinizerwe're running short on 'good peaople' always being around12:09
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DocScrutinizerdrackk: please read complete "updating the firmware" wikipage12:10
DocScrutinizer~flash12:11
infobotflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware12:11
chem|stin iFsckYou world this means you get imprisoned again, in maemo world this might fix a briked device or borked settings but wont lock the front door12:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer: t.m.o is running short on good people... but in here? there is always one of I guess us 4 I can tell12:11
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DocScrutinizertmo always been short on admins who care12:12
DocScrutinizeryou'd need like 50012:12
pupniktmo has an ignore feature, but it is hard to find12:12
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pupnikit should be right next to every post12:13
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DocScrutinizerhere I see chanops vanish, like stskeeps, GeneralAntilles is a rare visitor, crashanddie_ as well..., even x-fade is hard to find12:13
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pupnikMohammadAG: it's not a good way to code a for loop.  If your count is invariant for the duration of the loop, store it in a variable first.12:14
pupnikin fact i thought for loops required the parameters to be invariant12:14
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chem|stpupnik: it does not help me moderate when I ignore dumb people12:15
pupnikMohammadAG: if you want to test for a value that can change at any time,  a "while" loop is the right way12:15
pupnikchem|st: i didn't realize you were a moderator12:15
chem|stsupermod actualy, makes it even worse12:15
pupnikwhat does that job pay?12:16
Termanalol12:16
chem|stlol12:16
chem|stpays off with less sleep and more coffee in my vains12:16
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pupnikyou don't actually have to *read* t.m.o. do you?  just respond to complaints?12:17
chem|stsometimes you have to read the bs to understand what is going on, then you start of to go on single users and pick off their last 18 posts then you recognize that they where covered by another 25 by other ppl12:18
chem|stand so on12:18
chem|stand yesterday I couldn't hold myself and started giving infractions12:19
chem|stfirst response was a "thank you, moderation is needed here, keep up the good work"12:19
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pupnikhmm12:20
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chem|stit is sad to see that noone is ever interested in cleaning it up12:21
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chem|stthere is so much noise12:21
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chem|stmy requests for access to the brainstorm backend never proceeded further than me writing it12:22
drackkwhat do i use to reflash       the usb cable?12:22
chem|stdrackk: yes12:22
drackksweet12:22
chem|stdrackk: read the damn wiki page as DocScrutinizer told you!12:22
drackkiam12:23
chem|stgood!12:23
chem|stsorry bit tempered today12:23
drackkits cool12:23
chem|stless sleep more coffee is not a solution12:23
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: your tmo nick is joerg_rw?!12:26
DocScrutinizerrrright12:26
DocScrutinizerwhy?12:26
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DocScrutinizerI earned a ban? please pretty please ban me from tmo :-P12:27
chem|st*klick* and you want to be a supermod and are aware of email floods?12:27
DocScrutinizer+cough*12:27
DocScrutinizerI never touch tmo12:28
chem|stI take that as a yes, rrrright?12:28
DocScrutinizervirtually never12:28
pupnikchem|st: the best way to clean up t.m.o is allow users to ignore all posts by certain people more easily12:28
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chem|stdamn12:28
chem|stpupnik: no it is not12:28
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alteregomece: :D12:28
alteregoForgot I said that12:29
chem|stthe best way is to have some "good" people who read it anyways moderate subsections12:29
pupnikwhat does moderate mean?12:29
pupnikyou can't moderate a stupid person12:29
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pupnikthey will make stupid comments, always12:29
chem|stdelete/edit/ban/move12:29
MohammadAGHIM: x11FilterEvent( _HILDON_IM_SURROUNDING_CONTENT ) is not supported  <-- wtf12:29
pupniksurely you don't think that this is a good idea12:30
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG :-)12:30
chem|stpupnik: moderators arent seen as you did not know I am supermod...12:30
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MohammadAGyeah, I vote for DocScrutinizer to become a mod12:30
MohammadAG(that was the question right? :P)12:30
DocScrutinizerFSCK12:30
chem|stMohammadAG: yes!12:30
pupnikchem|st: the answer is to give me, as a t.m.o. user the ability to ignore stupid people12:31
pupnikyou can not fix stupid people, chem|st12:31
MohammadAGno no no12:31
DocScrutinizerpeeps, there's no use in a mod that gets allergy when touching forum12:31
MohammadAGthe answer is to disallow posting if you have less than 5 posts12:31
pupnik?12:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: lol12:31
timeless_w7iphow do you get your first 5 posts?12:31
MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, that's the point, you don't12:32
DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: MORNING!12:32
timeless_w7ipgimme a break, i probably underslept again12:32
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pupnikcheers12:32
chem|stlol12:32
pupnikif the system is set up well, it doesn't require many interventions12:33
chem|stsome settings need to be changed yes12:33
chem|stbut not reporting stupidness does not help me banning those idiots12:34
MohammadAGachipa, is Qt Mobility 1.1 or 1.2 stable enough to be in the CSSU?12:34
pupnikwell perspective of a user is different from that of a moderator12:34
MohammadAGs/is/are12:34
achipaMohammadAG: they are tons more stable than the 1.0.2 that is in the current one12:35
achipanot to mention that you multimedia and location stuff is unusable in 1.0.x12:35
MohammadAGachipa, so should I include them? I doubt the official SSU will ever have the updates12:36
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MohammadAG(though tbh, it would be better if the official SSU had them, since that's enabled by default)12:36
pupnikchem|st: wouldn't flamewars be less likely if people could ignore each other?  or do flamewars occur because people *want* to flame12:36
pupniks/could/could_more_easily12:36
DocScrutinizerchem|st: you're free to set mod++ on my tmo account, but I doubt it will help a lot on tmo at large12:37
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DocScrutinizermy mail client will hopefully handle the +3% of mail to move to some new subfolder and mark as read ;-D12:37
chem|stpupnik: "want" to!12:38
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achipaMohammadAG: I would include them. Rule #1 - never ever wait for the official SSU :) It would be best if we could update that directly, but alas...12:39
MohammadAGachipa, then how do we allow extras-devel to build against the new Qt packages?12:39
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achipa'big' qt is not that critical at the moment, I would think we should ride it through with libqtm-11 (those will be pushed to Extras soon TM)12:41
achipaMohammadAG: and hopefully we could get them into the MADDE rootstrap as an easter egg so it would be pretty transparent12:41
MohammadAGachipa, so we're stuck with CONFIG += libqtm-11?12:42
achipaCONFIG += mobility11, but yes (still a small price to pay IMO if that means that we get out-of-the-box compatibility with the QtSDK)12:43
DocScrutinizer~nuke QtMobility12:43
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at QtMobility ... B☢☢M!12:43
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MohammadAGachipa, so I shouldn't bother with including new QtMobility in the CSSU?12:44
MohammadAGif that's going in extras12:44
MohammadAGthough I'm sure all devs would prefer to have one set of qtmobility packages, instead of libqtm-*, libqtm-11-*, and libqtm-12-*12:44
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DocScrutinizerplease consider CSSU MUST NOT render official SSU broken!12:45
DocScrutinizer~211912:45
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.12:45
MohammadAGit isn't12:45
MohammadAGQt is ABI compatible when you're going forward12:45
DocScrutinizerhahaha12:45
MohammadAGso suppose we include Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, 4.7 binaries will still work, but not the other way round12:46
DocScrutinizeryeah, always been. Sure12:46
MohammadAG(which is what happened when the updated Qt in the builder but not the devices)12:46
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achipaMohammadAG: harryF said that "always" starts with 4.7 :)12:48
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DocScrutinizeralso point of CSSU is to bring fixes to joe luser, not serve as devel/testing repo for new libs. So Qt4.8 in CSSU has exactly *ONE* justification: IF and only IF Qt4.8 is fixing some "elementary" bugs in 4.7, *for the system and apps you can get via official SSU, and possibly update via CSSU*12:58
MohammadAGit's not getting 4.8, but 4.7.212:58
DocScrutinizerwhatever12:58
MohammadAGand that has lots of bug fixes we need12:58
DocScrutinizerok then12:58
MohammadAGalso, achipa says the current 4.7.0 is an RC, not a final release12:58
DocScrutinizerjust make DAMN SURE it doesn't introduce *new* bugs12:59
MohammadAGwhy did I delay the update by a week?12:59
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm just saying, not criticising12:59
MohammadAGyeah, I know :P12:59
DocScrutinizerquite probably you're well aware of all this13:00
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MohammadAGwell, I was the one who complained for a whole week about bugs introduced in Qt 4.7 in PR1.313:00
DocScrutinizeryes, I recall that13:00
MohammadAG:P13:01
DocScrutinizerI've just a hard time leaving QtMob bashing mode, after that filesensor WTF of a few days ago13:02
MohammadAGis there a way to make grep browse match only browse, and not browse_result?13:02
MohammadAGgrep --help isn't that helpful, and busybox grep is probably crippled13:02
DocScrutinizererr wut?13:02
DocScrutinizerplease rephrase13:03
MohammadAGgrep browse matches browse and browse_result13:03
achipaDocScrutinizer: our danger with the Qt update is actually that some applications might be relying on the bugs13:03
MohammadAGbasically, I want to match the exact string "browse"13:03
DocScrutinizeraaah, sure, grep for "browse "13:03
DocScrutinizeraaah, sure, grep for "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)13:04
DocScrutinizerduh wut???13:04
DocScrutinizermy PC acting up13:04
DocScrutinizeror "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)13:05
DocScrutinizerdamn!!13:05
MohammadAGlol13:05
DocScrutinizeror "browse\[\[:space:\]\]" (check syntax!)13:05
DocScrutinizeridiotic autoreplace/autotext13:06
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chem|stwhere might I find autolock delay?13:06
chem|stmean the bare config13:06
MohammadAGnope, not working13:06
DocScrutinizermce.ini?13:06
MohammadAGchem|st, mce.ini13:06
MohammadAGhmm, or gconf13:07
chem|stmmh?! not gconf?13:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: your suspicion about messybox ""grep"" been quite to the point13:07
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: umm, dunno13:07
chem|stI found the devicelock_autolock_enabled boolean... but not the delay13:08
DocScrutinizerI'd search mce.ini first, then gconf :-)13:08
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: autolock is tied to tk_lock afaik13:08
MohammadAGbasically, I want to see what the stock player's browsing13:08
MohammadAGthe messages that are send/received on DBus are browse and browse_result13:09
MohammadAGthe result one includes about 700 songs, thus making it hard to scroll back and read the browse part13:09
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MohammadAG dbus-monitor --session | grep -A 10 "member=browse" <-- if I add a space, I get no results at all13:09
DocScrutinizerchem|st: maybe not, I recall sth like "lock after 30min", even "60min"13:10
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MohammadAG#define GCONF_KEY_DIM_TIMEOUTS GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY "possible_display_dim_timeouts"13:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-"13:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-]13:11
MohammadAG#define GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY    "/system/osso/dsm/display/"13:11
MohammadAGI wonder what sets that ^13:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer: I lock after 60 but would like something like "never" but "true"13:11
chem|stis the tklock key considered to be the menu key?13:13
DocScrutinizerchem|st: MohammadAG posted several gconf keys relating devicelock recently13:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, something sets that key13:14
MohammadAGhmm13:14
MohammadAG        <short>Possible timeouts for display dimming</short>13:14
MohammadAG<long>This key contains the allowed values for display dimming timeout.13:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: remember? we discussed if reflashing resets the autolock-enabled13:14
MohammadAGnormal gconf schema sets it13:15
MohammadAGwait, I'm a bit lost now13:15
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MohammadAGchem|st, are we talking about tklock or device lock (with a code and all)13:15
chem|stMohammadAG: devlock13:15
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chem|sthas nothing to do with tklock (was just asking about what the tklock-switch actualy is)13:16
MohammadAGthen ignore every gconf key I mentioned, sec13:16
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chem|st[1|root@cassiopeia|~]find / -iname devlock13:17
chem|st/var/lib/gconf/system/systemui/devlock13:17
chem|stthat is the boolean13:17
chem|stor there is only a boolean13:17
MohammadAG/apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock/autolock_period13:17
MohammadAGis what you want13:17
chem|stah applet (wtf)13:18
MohammadAGint, minutes, 1000 = disabled13:18
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chem|stwhy does 1000 disable?13:18
MohammadAGseems like invalid = disable13:19
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock13:20
MohammadAGwow, stupid applet13:20
DocScrutinizerjust for your convenience13:20
MohammadAGit stores the previous setting, and if you cancel the dialog it sets that again13:21
MohammadAGinstead of just storing it locally13:21
DocScrutinizerwow, how stupid13:21
chem|stehrm wut?13:22
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drackkso how do i get files from pc to n900?13:23
chem|stso actualy not int but byte (I do not get why people name stuff or use variables that are useless)13:23
DocScrutinizerchem|st: see gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock - orig_*13:23
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: usb ssh webserver13:23
DocScrutinizerchem|st: ??13:24
chem|stso it is actualy setting "off" twice, once by boolean and once by an invalid period13:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: sry13:24
chem|stdrackk: usb ssh webserver13:24
drackkon windows?13:25
chem|styeah13:25
drackkwhats it called13:25
chem|stdrackk: usbmassstorage should give you a device letter or two13:25
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drackkno13:26
chem|stmake sure you have all apps closed so MyDocs is not busy or it will not export drives13:26
chem|stDocScrutinizer: appletactive = false13:26
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drackkok  worksnow13:27
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drackkworking13:27
chem|stI am wondering what happens if I set that true13:28
chem|stdrackk: ;)13:28
* DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 113:28
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user_Hey guys! Im on a N900 and I cant save attachments. Theres no save attach in my email menu even though the attachment icon is visible in the index page.13:31
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drackkim in mass storage mode where the heck is my documents folder13:31
drackk?13:31
user_Can you recommend a way to work around or fix this bug or should i just switch MUAÄ13:31
DocScrutinizerdrackk: .documents13:32
drackkoh13:32
drackkcool thanks13:32
user_This is preventing me from both viewing and saving attachments.13:32
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DocScrutinizeruser_: could you click and hold the attachment icon?13:33
chem|stdrackk: there are some .xxxxxx folders mapped to what you see as Documents Audio Files et.al.13:33
DocScrutinizerdrackk: that's a Nokia invention to make life more easy for you :-P13:33
drackki dont know what you mean13:34
DocScrutinizernever mind13:34
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drackkpk13:35
drackkok13:35
user_Doc: nope13:35
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user_the only menu in the index page is delete and mark as unread13:35
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user_basically, this bug makes my mua useless to me. i need a working modern imap mua, if i can replace the default broken one im ok w that too13:36
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MohammadAG* DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 113:39
MohammadAGthat has other values (1-4), lemme find the thread13:39
MohammadAGit's undocumented though13:39
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chem|sttouching the settings once makes the orgi_devlock 60 (was 1000)13:40
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user_i tried claws but its not very finger friendly, is there any other imap mail client on maemo?13:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html13:41
MohammadAGif the link's not working (can't refresh it) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61201#6120113:42
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: cool, thanks13:42
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chem|stuser_: tapping the attachment opens it WFM; save attachement from menu WFM13:43
chem|stuser_: what kind of attachemnt is it13:43
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pupnikhttps://developer.mozilla.org/@api/deki/files/2922/=skewed-google-sample.html   << skewing webpages with html13:46
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DocScrutinizeruser_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects13:50
DocScrutinizerchem|st: seems this depends a lot on type of attachment13:52
chem|stDocScrutinizer: mutt...13:52
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah just found one not accessible13:52
DocScrutinizeris mutt fingerfriendly?13:52
chem|stsure13:52
khorben_if your fingers are on a keyboard, no problem13:52
chem|stjust map the common keys to the xterm bottom and you are good ;)13:53
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DocScrutinizerwell, tbh I never felt like managing my mail on N900, so I have no real clue13:53
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ssh me@server -> screen -> mutt|irssi13:53
khorben_I may port my embedded e-mail client to maemo, but it's pop3 only atm13:53
chem|stwhat does modest upstream do?13:54
chem|stis there any progress?13:54
khorben_http://www.defora.org/os/download/download/3487/DeforaOS-Mailer-01.png13:54
MohammadAGif anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PHVfTUe13:54
MohammadAGhow automatic playlists in the stock player work13:54
DocScrutinizermodest upstream progress? MUHAHA13:54
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MohammadAGactually, modest is 3.4 on PR1.2, 3.90 upstream13:55
MohammadAGand that's what the CSSU includes13:55
MohammadAGPR1.3*13:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's great! will you put it on wiki, lazy bugger?!13:56
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* ruskie wonders if he is supposed to get any email confirmation for access to extras-devel upload13:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (playlists that is)13:57
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drackkrequested operation requirerssuper user priveleges13:59
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drackkand i typed sudo gain root13:59
drackkdpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb            requested operation requires super user priveleges14:00
drackkbut i tped sudo gainroot14:00
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drackkwhat am i doing wrong?14:00
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DocScrutinizertype id14:01
drackkok14:02
drackkuid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)14:03
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DocScrutinizer:nod:14:03
DocScrutinizerinstall rootsh in app manager14:03
drackkhuh?14:03
drackkk14:03
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drackkhow?14:04
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DocScrutinizerbth you frequently want to use `root` instead of `sudo gainroot`14:05
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DocScrutinizerneither of both will work if rootsh package not installed14:05
trxhello14:06
zalebHay trx leuk dat je wat zegt14:06
DocScrutinizerdrackk: hope you arew prepared to reflash *frequently*, as rootsh gives you power to fsckup system a lot14:06
trxDocScrutinizer any news about headset signals?14:06
drackkhow do i get it into app manager?14:07
DocScrutinizerzaleb: official warning! you're under bot evaluation now! We need a statement so you will pass Turing test14:07
DocScrutinizerzaleb: this is a test with timeout14:08
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DocScrutinizerzaleb: failing test will result in you getting kickbanned14:08
trxhello14:08
zalebHay trx leuk dat je wat zegt14:08
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trx:)14:09
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DocScrutinizertrx: not yet14:09
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chem|stdrackk: menu (top left corner) - App. manager14:10
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trxbtw, turns out, i cant use usb to parallel to control individual data lines without some ugly hardware work-arrounds :/14:11
drackki dont see rootsh in app manager14:11
trxso i decided to use usb direcly with PIC18F455014:11
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trxbut i have to wait at least a week for it :/14:12
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trxturns out you can literaly do anything with the n90014:13
trxit can cook lunch :)14:13
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drackkno rootsh dude14:13
DocScrutinizern900 make me coffe!14:13
trxthat will be my next project :)14:14
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trxshouldnt be too hard, even for me :)14:14
drackkwhat is maemo5?14:16
trxseriously?14:16
DocScrutinizermaemo5 == fremantle == the current N900 official OS14:16
drackkoh then i should upgrade?14:17
DocScrutinizeryou can't have any non-5 maemo on N90014:17
FIQhm14:17
drackkmaemo5 is in app manager though14:17
FIQnice when you get highlights but when the line is gone from scrollback14:17
DocScrutinizerthat's an update of maemo5-PR1.0xy to probably maemo5-PR1.314:18
DocScrutinizerand yes, you probably should update that14:18
drackkk14:19
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DocScrutinizeror better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster that SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )14:20
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DocScrutinizers/that /than /14:20
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )14:20
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DocScrutinizershaky net?14:28
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pupnikheh14:29
* pupnik is trying to understand how this game is updating to screen14:30
pupnikit refreshes the whole screen every frame, when only a few pixels are animated14:30
pupnikso it really should be a good candidate for portable play14:31
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pupniksince it doesn't need to update much14:31
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drackkhow do i get rootsh ?14:31
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MohammadAGmay I suggest you read the manual?14:34
yaccdrackk, you put extras in your repository list, and install the package of your choice. Alternatively google it?14:34
drackkrootsh  then whats the repo14:34
MohammadAGthe repo is enabled on all N900s post 1.114:35
MohammadAGread the manual or google it14:35
drackkand where is the repo lists on the n90014:35
DocScrutinizeryeah, but drackk has 1.0 :-P14:35
MohammadAGthen upgrade14:35
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:20:45] <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )14:36
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the (irssi?) /foo bar boo cmd to "hide join/nick events"?14:37
DocScrutinizer/partymode yup ??14:39
ruskie/ignore * JOINS NICKS14:39
DocScrutinizerthnks14:39
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MohammadAGreal0m39.290s14:41
MohammadAGuser2m1.450s14:41
MohammadAGsys0m8.200s14:41
MohammadAGmediaplayer build times ^14:41
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DocScrutinizermeh14:42
MohammadAGindeed14:43
MohammadAGhey RevdKathy14:43
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DocScrutinizerruskie: my konversations seems doesn't act too nicely on /ignore * (whatever)14:43
DocScrutinizerwwoohoo RevdKathy long time no see14:44
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user_my 3g connection is shit14:45
user_i dont know if i got any replies14:45
DocScrutinizerhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog14:45
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user_i still cant view or save attachments in maemo. same email works fine in thunderbird, sylpheed and mutt14:46
user_it seems to be rfc compliant. how to fix this bug?14:46
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DocScrutinizeruser_: MohammadAG stated about modest upstream is 3.9 instead 3.414:47
MohammadAGhe's also getting segfaults for no reason14:47
DocScrutinizerI doubt this is going to fix a lot of modest borkedness14:47
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DocScrutinizerLOL14:48
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:48:16] --> jayne hat den Kanal betreten (~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne).14:48
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:48:16] <-- jayne hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood).14:48
MohammadAGlol14:48
DocScrutinizerseems freenode has a fun time today14:49
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trxhaha14:49
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ruskieDocScrutinizer, has had it for most of the last two days14:51
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* DocScrutinizer curses Konversation for obviously not providing any user cmd or toolbar shortcut for "[X] hide JOIN/QUIT/NICK evens" in settings14:54
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DocScrutinizeractually whole KDE is (and always has been) flawed regarding kbd-hotkeys for stepping thru treeview selectors like in Konversation's settings dialog14:57
DocScrutinizeras well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* and [X]checkbox14:58
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DocScrutinizers/ and / any /15:01
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: as well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* any [X]checkbox15:01
DocScrutinizerwell, I guess that's OT here and should go to #kde15:02
rangeact15:02
rangeGrr.15:02
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DocScrutinizerhaha, the . is nice :-)15:02
rangeSure. Always form complete sentences. Even when using onomatopoeia.15:04
DocScrutinizernonono, I won't search wikipedia for onomatopoeia15:04
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SpeedEvilIt's the sound the Onomatopeia bird makes.15:06
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, easy, it's the scripted representation of a sound15:06
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crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, "Tic tac" is the onomatopoeia of a clock15:06
crashanddie_"Woosh" is the onomatopoeia of this conversation going over redneck's heads.15:07
DocScrutinizer51sure, gathered as much. But I seem to recall funny things on wikipedia about it15:07
user_doc: is it available in maemo repos?15:08
MohammadAGlol, my first attempt at playlists resulted in 7602981 songs :)15:09
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user_i cant use my phopne to handle email, its near useless to me with this bug15:09
user_so a sollution is much appreciated, if available15:09
chem|st!moan15:10
chem|st~moan15:10
infobotohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh.......15:10
crashanddie_user_, get a real nickname, and port some decent email client to maemo, I'd say15:10
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user_crash: i dont understand, maemo has no working mua now?15:11
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crashanddie_mua?15:12
crashanddie_Mail user agent?15:12
DocScrutinizermail user agent15:12
user_yes15:12
crashanddie_is that the nerd speak for "mail client"?15:12
crashanddie_Anyway, things seem to be working relatively OK through IMAP, but it's a network hog15:12
DocScrutinizeruser_: xchat has a pretty easy config menu, to set up proper nickname and real user name15:13
user_i guess15:13
crashanddie_dunno about your specifics, only read your moaning and extrapolated from that15:13
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crashanddie_oh, good memories that one15:13
DocScrutinizerwell, modest is notorious to be crap15:13
crashanddie_The last one who pulled that joke on me is still banned IIRC.15:13
MohammadAGwhat joke?15:14
crashanddie_"/nick arealnick"15:14
arealnickthats not my problem though. my phone doesnt handle email w attachment is my problem.15:14
MohammadAGlol15:14
arealnickwhat is this "modest"?15:14
crashanddie_You mean as in bug #1020615:14
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10206 Email Attachment not visible if multipart/alternative mime types present15:14
scoobertroncrashanddie_: An mua can be more lightweight than a mail client - it doesn't necessarily handle sending or receiving mail.15:14
MohammadAGit's the default "MUA"15:15
DocScrutinizerI tend to set user_ on banlist15:15
DocScrutinizernot *this* particular user_, but the nick15:15
arealnickmohammad: yes! that is the problem15:15
crashanddie_that wasn't MohammadAG, that was me.15:15
crashanddie_Also, l2g15:15
arealnickl2g?15:16
crashanddie_learn to google15:16
MohammadAGwtf    string "(|(&(!(genre~audiobook))(!(genre~podcast)))(genre=))"15:16
DocScrutinizerduh, is that one of *my* tickets even?15:16
MohammadAGdidn't we fix that in the CSSU?15:16
crashanddie_"This has been fixed in package15:16
crashanddie_modest 3.4.7+0m515:16
crashanddie_which is part of the internal build version15:16
crashanddie_2010.28-715:16
crashanddie_(Note: 2010 is the year, and the number after is the week.)"15:16
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MohammadAGor add it, then reverse it15:17
crashanddie_"The problem reported here should be fixed in the update that was released today15:17
crashanddie_for public: The Maemo5 update version 20.2010.36-2 (also called "PR1.3"15:17
crashanddie_sometimes)."15:17
DocScrutinizerhmpf no. not reported by me, though I noticed it like in january 201015:17
arealnickcan i upgrade to that package version?15:18
crashanddie_arealnick, what PR are you running?15:18
arealnickPR?15:18
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DocScrutinizermaemo version15:19
DocScrutinizersettings -> about15:19
arealnickhang on15:19
* MohammadAG hangs himself15:19
MohammadAGmafw playlist stuff is fucking retarded/non-human readable15:20
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arealnick20.2010 3615:20
crashanddie_MohammadAG, it is?15:20
crashanddie_MohammadAG, I thought it was OK15:20
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, explain this to me15:20
crashanddie_MohammadAG, you still haven't released?15:20
arealnick-2 also at end15:20
chem|stbingo15:20
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, this is a filter,    string "(|(genre~\2Aaudiobook\2A)(genre~\2Apodcast\2A))"15:21
crashanddie_yeah, and?15:21
arealnicki have updated every time it asked me15:21
MohammadAGwhat does it mean/represent?15:21
crashanddie_MohammadAG, it's a filter on the type audiobook or podcast15:22
DocScrutinizerarealnick: yyou might want to check modest version15:22
MohammadAGand yes, I still haven't released, the january release deadline was impossible :P15:22
crashanddie_it wasn't impossible15:22
crashanddie_you had everything you needed bru15:22
crashanddie_Even if january was impossible, we're april15:22
arealnickdoc, sry i just use the phone dont know much about it15:22
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, I have other things to do15:23
arealnicktheres no working email client in my current version, right?15:23
crashanddie_No you don't, you're a student!15:23
MohammadAGyeah, last year at high school :p15:23
MohammadAGI think we do stuff in that year15:23
crashanddie_well, that stuff obviously wasn't as important as the media player15:23
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DocScrutinizerarealnick: modest is really what the name suggests: modest in regard of features15:23
MohammadAGregardless15:24
arealnickhow do I update to modest?15:24
MohammadAGit's done now, except playlists15:24
MohammadAGautomated playlists15:24
MohammadAGsaved ones are done15:24
arealnickoh its a program?15:24
crashanddie_arealnick, yeah15:24
crashanddie_automated playlists?15:24
arealnickaha. replace the nonworking mua?15:24
DocScrutinizerarealnick: modest is the stock MUA15:24
arealnickOh. Ok. I cant find any updates for it in the app manager15:25
crashanddie_because there aren't?15:25
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, recently played, most played, never played, etc15:26
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mediaplayer] > cat `find -name "*.cpp"  && find -name "*.h"` | wc -l15:26
MohammadAG964215:26
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arealnicki dont get it.15:26
DocScrutinizerarealnick: crashanddie_ quoted (from that bmo ticket) that the problem you are facing is supposed to be fixed in modest 3.4.7+0m5 which should ship with your current PR15:26
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arealnicklet me check the version15:27
arealnickit says 3.4.8+0m515:27
arealnickand its still broken15:28
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arealnicki havent had working email since switching to n900 from my old decade old phone (symbian, it had working email)15:29
DocScrutinizerarealnick: most users consider modest to be crap15:29
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arealnickit is obviously. email w mime isnt exactly new. you cant sell a smartphone wo it today15:30
DocScrutinizerI never bothered to find a better MUA, heard some users prefer claws15:30
arealnickwell, nokia can obviously15:30
arealnickclaws is useless w fingers.15:31
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DocScrutinizerthere's definitely no replace... duh said that before15:31
arealnicki like everything else, but i really need email15:31
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 12:50:53] <DocScrutinizer> user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects15:32
arealnickwhy cant nokia make a usable mua?15:32
DocScrutinizer"all aspects" includes "fingerfriendly"15:32
arealnickthey been around on phones since 200015:32
crashanddie_arealnick, because Nokia abandoned the N900 and Maemo over a year ago?15:33
arealnickandroid, iphone, older symbian all have it15:33
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arealnickthats not a valid point since it never worked for me15:33
crashanddie_arealnick, now, please get on google and start reading about the phone you just bought. You have questions, go answer them yourself15:33
Treibholzarealnick: what are you missing?15:33
TreibholzIDLE?15:33
arealnickemail w mime has been around since forever, even MS manage to make a wrking mua for winmoo 6.515:34
crashanddie_arealnick, once you're ready, you can come back, but please stop festering in this channel, understood?15:34
* Treibholz never had a real problem with modest (except the missing IDLE)15:34
pupnikwell it's a valid complaint, there's just limited options15:34
crashanddie_and he doesn't want to discuss those options, he's just yelling at us asking why nokia didn't do this or that15:34
pupnikah ok15:35
DocScrutinizerarealnick: we can't help beyond stating wat we already did. modest is crap, there's nothing (yet) that is better in all aspects15:35
arealnickcrash: u can understand my frustration after replacing a decade old phone i bought for 20$ w this one and it doesnt even handle mime15:35
crashanddie_I do understand it15:35
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arealnickok doc15:35
crashanddie_but this is a community channel15:35
crashanddie_and there really isn't much we can do, we're not Nokia15:35
Treibholzand Nokia won't change anything.15:35
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arealnicksuch a simple and common thuing15:36
pupnikuse the console, luke!15:36
arealnickif this was some exotic jingle implementation i would be more understanding15:36
Treibholzarealnick: I haven't understood your problem, yet.15:36
arealnickbut no mime in 2011 is really bad15:36
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* pupnik points to the n900 keyboard. use!15:36
DocScrutinizerarealnick: I'm sure you'll earn title "maemo hero of the month" if you just go and adapt a decent MUA to be fingerfriendly15:36
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crashanddie_pupnik, Vador goes to Luke and says "I know what you will get for Christmas" Luke "No, it's impossible", Vador: "I do know what you'll get for Christmas", Luke "No, you can't know!", Vador: "Luke, I have felt your presents"15:37
DocScrutinizerarealnick: ...as we are all aware modest is crap, and nobody hopes for Nokia doing anything to improve it15:37
arealnicktrei: the default mua cant handle mime multipart15:37
pupnikHAHAHAH15:37
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Treibholzarealnick: a more painfull thing is, there is no way to sync the PIM-data.15:38
arealnicki have never used any mua that didnt before.15:38
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Treibholzarealnick: ok, what does that mean?15:38
Treibholzarealnick: I never had a mail I couldn't read.15:38
arealnicktreib: i need to view attached images and possibly a pdf15:39
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arealnickor save them15:39
DocScrutinizerthis usually works, but not for mails formated e.g. by iphone15:40
arealnicktreib: i dont think i can solve it anyway15:40
arealnickdoc: doesnt matter if they follow rfcs15:40
DocScrutinizerat least that's what I found like 14 months ago15:40
arealnickive parsed these emails before thinking there was an error, but no. its this mua thats broken15:40
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Treibholzarealnick: I can open attached Files...15:41
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Treibholzno problem...15:41
arealnickdoesnt help me15:41
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DocScrutinizeryes. modest refused (IIRC) do show and cope with attachments embedded in a multipart-mixed html part15:42
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: GAN900's here most of the time. :P15:42
Treibholzworks perfectly here.15:42
DocScrutinizeryep15:42
TreibholzI can open the attached PDF in a multipa/alternativ Mail which has HTML and TXT15:43
arealnicktreib: good for u15:43
arealnicki cannot15:43
Treibholzsent by outlook.15:43
Treibholzwith proper mimetypes.15:44
arealnickthis mail has proper mimetypes too, im sure15:44
arealnicklast time i checked15:44
Treibholzarealnick: but you may send me a test-mail.15:44
DocScrutinizerTreibholz: yes, unless this multipart/alternative got sent by iPhone which soes some weird thing that breaks just on modest15:44
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arealnickalso claws does open it fine on phone too15:44
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Treibholzarealnick: treibholz-arealnick(at)uxix(dot)de15:45
arealnicktreib: cannot, this isnt public information15:45
arealnicki only use this phone for work.15:45
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Treibholzso, you cannot reproduce it either?15:46
crashanddie_then get a real phone from work15:46
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crashanddie_don't tell me they don't provide blackberries or something?15:46
DocScrutinizerarealnick: the failing mail has proper mimetypes too, but a flawed nesting15:46
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arealnicktreib: no, all I know is that emails that follow standards and can be opened in mutt, thunderbird, outlook, iphone, android, symbian, etc do not work on my N90015:47
DocScrutinizerYES15:47
arealnickcrash: i was thinking htc15:47
arealnickgalaxy something?15:47
Treibholzarealnick: then send me such a mail.15:47
arealnickbut i got this just a year ago15:47
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arealnicktreib: i cant. i dont have any w public info15:48
crashanddie_arealnick, seriously, gtfo.15:48
crashanddie_You don't want help, you don't want solutions, you just want to bitch and moan15:48
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: chill! though I sympathise15:48
arealnickhow so?15:48
Treibholzarealnick: so just because you have ONE broken mail...15:48
arealnicktreib no this is not the first15:49
arealnickso far every time i got it, i could not open15:49
meceAaaaahahaha LOL http://translate.google.com/#en|fi|Girlicious15:49
Treibholzalways from the same user?15:49
DocScrutinizerarealnick: are you listening to what I posted to you?15:49
arealnickdoc: can you explain the nested problem? mime supports nested parts15:50
crashanddie_I deleted a very nasty sentence.15:50
DocScrutinizerYES, but modest doesn't15:50
arealnickok.15:50
arealnicktreib: no not always15:51
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arealnicktreib: however, last time i examined the raw email and could not find a flaw in it15:51
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DocScrutinizerarealnick: compare sender MUA tags15:52
arealnicktreib: its obiously a bug in the mua, supposedely fixed, but isnt. i dont think theres much more to say/test.15:52
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arealnickDoc: i appreciate the help but im gonna take crash's advice and forget about it15:53
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chem|stre16:56
chem|stHelium is fun stuff (at least without oil dust...)16:56
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DocScrutinizero.O17:04
chem|stcryocompressor adsorber change17:05
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chem|stand I needed to vent the used adsorber 2L He @ 1500kPa17:06
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: so devicelock locks after 60minutes even with set to 24017:28
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chem|stTreibholz: how is your nitdroid doing?17:29
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chem|stT-offline is back again17:30
pupnik:)17:31
pupnikhttp://i.imgur.com/5dxhF.jpg  << Aaron Barr  LMAO17:31
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: change orig_* crap as well - you never know17:32
chem|stDocScrutinizer: orig changes itself...17:32
chem|stwill try... waht is the max number?17:33
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: of course unless it works with value set to e.g. 2 but not with values >6017:33
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chem|styeah... again something nowhere documented...17:33
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DocScrutinizerconsidered 'date -s "now + 58 minutes"'?17:35
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chem|st?17:38
DocScrutinizergconftool-2 -set /foo/bar/timeout uint:60 && sleep 5 && date -s now+0:5517:38
DocScrutinizerchem|st: assuming it's boring to wait for >1h to see if device actually blanks17:39
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chem|stdoes not work17:48
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DocScrutinizer:-/ hmm, thought it'd be worth a try17:52
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DocScrutinizerno idea how kernel's timers actually are implemented17:52
Treibholzchem|st: needs too much battery and is too slow from the MicroSD.17:52
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Treibholzchem|st: but really fast compared to meego... (and some things are even faste than maemo)17:53
DocScrutinizerthought I've seen screen dim and lock inadvertedly when I ran some time adjusting tool17:53
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DocScrutinizeractually not, just tested->doesn't work this way17:59
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DocScrutinizerI think kernel has a jiffies_since_boot plus an offset to form a proper time as in ticks since epoc from that. Timers might work on jiffies_since_boot while setting time just corrects the offset constant18:04
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poepwtf?18:09
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DocScrutinizerpoep: problems?18:12
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DocScrutinizerman 7 time seems to confirm this18:31
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DocScrutinizerwow, learning new things every day: cat /proc/timer_list18:36
* RST38h yawns18:37
RST38hMoorning, Doc18:37
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chem|stmorning RST38h18:38
RST38hhello chem|st18:38
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chem|stTreibholz: the fact that you are mostly tied to the G is a big turnoff18:39
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DocScrutinizermoo RST38h18:40
DocScrutinizercat /proc/timer_list|grep -A 1 bme  :-S18:40
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DocScrutinizerpiece of c*ap18:41
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RST38hah you are so damn negative...18:43
* RST38h wondering where he can get a non-SDHC SD card nowadays,on a very short order (an hour)18:43
pupnikfunny how the n900 charges but the charging light doesn't come on18:43
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Well - if you can collect, you can have my 1G card.18:43
chem|stRST38h: <2GB == SD!HC18:44
RST38hI know18:44
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chem|steven 2GB is SD!HC18:44
RST38hUnless they started making them all SDHC just in case18:44
chem|stI doubt it18:44
chem|stthey just call it sdhc18:44
RST38hAlso, I *think* the device uses SPI-mode access to the cards, so even SDHC might work18:44
chem|stmaybe some tiny cards are18:45
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RST38hchem: SDHC actually does not simply mean bigger capacity. There are some changes to command set and addressing involved. So, yes, you may have a <=2GB SDHC card, in principle18:45
DocScrutinizeryou bet there are18:46
chem|stsure but you just don't need it for a 2GB chip18:46
DocScrutinizeruBoot doesn't boot systems on SDHC18:46
DocScrutinizeron FR18:46
DocScrutinizerused to not...18:46
RST38hyou have got the same controller chips anyway18:46
DocScrutinizerguess it's fixed now18:46
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DocScrutinizeryep18:47
RST38hDoc: A well behaved card should fall back to SD mode. At least my model does :)18:47
chem|stwell if they changed the design to sdhc and just swapped the chips for size then it is all sdhc18:47
DocScrutinizerRST38h: obvioulsy they can't18:48
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chem|stmy usbstick doesnt18:48
DocScrutinizerheard there are issues in addressing format18:48
RST38hDoc: But the real fun starts with SDIO. Do you know for example that Linux will not use any flash memory on the SDIO card?18:48
chem|st?18:48
RST38hDoc: no, when it is operating in the SD mode, the addressing should happen in bytes, like in all SD cards, not in 512-byte blocks as in SDHC18:48
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chem|stget an sdio controller is the first trick18:49
DocScrutinizerRST38h: that's fine for cards small enough so you can actually address in bytes18:49
chem|stI was looking into wifi sdio cards for dslr but you need an sdio capable controller to set it up...18:49
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DocScrutinizerI mean there's a reason for SDHC18:50
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I got plenty of 512MB uSD here ;-D18:50
RST38hDoc: As I said, the main change in SDHC vs SD is the block addressing18:52
RST38hDoc: But the card should fall back to byte addressing if the high-capacity feature has not been negotiated with the controller18:52
DocScrutinizerand calypsoFW flashing via uSD works on uSD but evidently not on uSDHC, with FR NOR uBoot18:52
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RST38hAh, now you are talking18:53
DocScrutinizerthough on both cards we flash same MBR/partiton table and rootfs18:53
DocScrutinizerof IIRC 256MB size18:53
RST38hAnyway, looks like I will have to go out buy the damn card =(18:53
RST38hThe u- and m- in uSD/mSD mean nothing, just the size18:54
DocScrutinizerI'm aware of that, dude18:54
RST38hThe "+" in MMC+ though makes a big difference18:54
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DocScrutinizerhad a lot of fun getting a µSD->miniSD adapter for N81018:55
RST38hahhahaha18:56
RST38hcheaper to buy a separate card.18:56
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DocScrutinizeruseless as that can't go to any of my other mobile devices18:56
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chem|stall my µSD cards shipped with both adaptors yet19:03
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chem|stand there were cheaper than bulk ones19:03
DocScrutinizerI bought like 3 otherwise useless 1GB cards that came with both adapters19:03
* RST38h looks at Doc meaningfully: any 1GB card would spare him a trip to RadioShack now19:05
DocScrutinizerRST38h: how about that: I plug that card to my desktop PC and you remote mount it ;-D19:07
DocScrutinizerRST38h: ask paul fertser, he for sure has some small SD cards as well19:08
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DocScrutinizerwait, Radio Shack? I gather you're not @home19:08
RST38hNo, US19:09
RST38hI have got some older cards back in .RU,but need to do some work here19:09
chem|stbb19:11
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troulouliouhi i would like to know if ff7 is fully playable on n900 ?19:14
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chem|st~kill devicelock_period19:17
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MohammadAGchem|st, tbh, instead of wasting time trying to see how to change it, I'd disable it completely and make a daemon that sleeps for $time then locks the device19:50
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DocScrutinizerhah, good point19:59
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DocScrutinizerjust such a daemon needs to sense all activities that are supposed to reset the lock-timeout timer20:00
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crashanddie_"Nasdaq shift to lighten Apple's weighting"20:06
crashanddie_Am I the only one who misread that the first time?20:06
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OkropNickhow can I execute program while logged as root with 'user' privilages?20:13
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yaccOkropNick, as on any Unix/Linux:20:15
yaccOkropNick, su -c "program argument argument" user20:15
OkropNickyacc: thanx20:16
yaccOkropNick, for the N900 it's really useful to have an Ubuntu or Debian host (or at least VM), so you can read man pages or stuff. OTOH man pages should be googleable.20:17
OkropNickI don't even have Windows, only Linux20:17
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OkropNickIt not helped me. I need to run command from fcron that is sending text message, but probably root can not privilages to write to my x session or something. I'm trying to use 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"some text" uint32:0 string:"OK"' - but i have error ''Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: (null)" - any20:26
OkropNick hints?20:26
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luke-jr)#%*20:37
luke-jrjust got a SMS from T-Mobile: "Sidekick data services will end of 5/31 and all data on phone will be lost. Please call 611 to discuss options for new data services."20:37
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OkropNickok, i found solution. command should be run with user privilages.20:52
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OkropNickanyone knows how to change sound volume from command  line?20:52
jacekows1ipasomething20:53
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jacekows1iit's pulseaudio shit20:54
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vldcnstI think you need pulseaudio-utils20:57
rm_workthere's a version of Carman for N900 right? >_>20:58
rm_worktime to search... assumed it would be in extras, but not showing up :(20:58
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OkropNickthx, I'll check it21:02
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DocScrutinizerOkropNick: run-standalone.sh <cmd>21:16
OkropNickDocScrutinizer: what's that?21:16
DocScrutinizerOkropNick: root doesn't ahve access to user's session bus21:16
DocScrutinizersetting volume also done via dbus-cmd to mafw iirc21:17
OkropNickoh, thanks. I found that 'su - user commandname' is enough for me, but I'll check your sugestion too21:17
DocScrutinizersu - will log in to the user, so environment gets restored completely. run-standalone.sh restores env without changing user aiui21:18
OkropNickmhm21:20
DocScrutinizeryou'll find ots of useful dbus cmds at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control21:21
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DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume21:22
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xd13i got so upset when I went to maemo.org on april 1st, i knew it was a joke before even looking at the specs21:28
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OkropNickDocScrutinizer: thanks, that's exactly what  I need :)21:31
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OkropNickDocScrutinizer: Not working for me. Am I doing something wrong? dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:10 variant:uint32:5021:37
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DocScrutinizerstring:10?21:38
DocScrutinizerstring:volume variant:uint32:10 !!21:38
OkropNickDocScrutinizer: you're right, thanks21:40
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OkropNickDocScrutinizer: Last question. Now I know how to SET volume, but how to GET actual volume?21:42
DocScrutinizerrefresh your wikipage21:42
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OkropNickthank you21:48
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rm_worklol maemo had an april fools day thing? :P22:07
rm_worki missed it22:08
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SpeedEvilA fake device.22:11
rm_worklol yeah22:12
rm_workk22:12
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pupnikwith 4 rows and 3 bindings per key, you can have a ton of things22:12
SpeedEvilChording only 4 keys gets you around a million keystrokes.22:14
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pupnikanybody smart want to help me fix-up this game client :/22:22
pupniki didn't get anything done today22:22
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pupnikn810 keys are painful22:46
pupnikpresssssss presssssssssss22:46
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MohammadAGalterego, do you know of a way to see where an app is hanging?23:08
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MohammadAGbesides adding a shitload of qDebug()s :)23:09
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MohammadAG11380 11367 root     R    14876  6.0 93.1 /usr/local/bin/mediaplayer <-- holy crap, must be some infinite loop23:09
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alteregoCertianly looks like it.23:12
alteregoI'd run it through a debugger23:13
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trip0strace it23:14
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nox-or attach gdb? (if that works on n900)23:17
trip0should work23:17
MohammadAGbut it's not crashing23:17
MohammadAGit's hanging23:17
nox-yeah you may find out where its stuck then23:18
MohammadAGhow, the only commands I know are r, bt, and q :P23:18
timeless_w7ipbt and c are what you want23:18
nox-or det instead of c (detach)23:19
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timeless_w7ipwell plus something to send SIGSTOP23:19
nox-i think gdb does that when you attach it...23:19
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timeless_w7ipnox: not the goal23:20
troulouliouhi i m i missing something but i can not see gcc package in apt-cache search ?23:20
timeless_w7ipyou want to basically use 'bt' to get sample stack traces23:21
nox-ah right23:21
timeless_w7iptroulouliou: you need to enable a tools repo or something23:21
timeless_w7ipmaemo.org has documention in a devel section23:21
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troulouliouthink i have all thse strange23:21
MohammadAGhow do I detach the app when I'm already running it?23:22
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nox-attach/bt/detach or attach/bt/c/signal/bt/c/...23:22
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GNUtoohi, what's the CONFIG_ associated with the proximity sensor?23:23
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DocScrutinizerCONFIG_?23:36
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DocScrutinizeras in build_my_kernel config?23:37
GNUtooyes23:38
DocScrutinizerNFC, it's a generic GPIO23:38
DocScrutinizermuch like kbd_slider or tkLock_switch23:39
GNUtoook23:39
GNUtoothanks a lot23:39
GNUtooI wonder where it got added in the more recent kernels23:39
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DocScrutinizerpath in sysfs?23:40
GNUtoomaybe I'll look23:40
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DocScrutinizer"/sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state"23:41
DocScrutinizeris path in sys23:41
GNUtooI'll look23:41
GNUtoothanks a lot!!!!23:41
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troulouliouhi my rootfs is full again after installing gcc , where can i free any mor space23:51
alteregouninstall gcc23:53
troulouliouna move /usr/include23:54
alteregoPersonally, if I wanted gcc in, I'd do it in a chroot23:54
alteregoProbably a maemo chroot23:55
* MohammadAG uses one23:56
MohammadAGa pita for Qt apps, they take ages to compile23:56
alteregoYeah23:57
alteregoProbably quicker to do it on my server with madde then scp it to the N900 over 3G :P23:57
alteregoI've done that before.23:57
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trouloulioualterego: how that in a chroot ?23:58
cehtehhehe anyone port distcc to the n900 and let us build compiling cloud :P23:58
MohammadAGalterego, even 2G :p23:58
alteregotroulouliou: _that_ isn't in a chroot, I'm just saying if I wanted offline compilation on my N900 I'd do it in a chroot on a micro sd or the emmc.23:59
MohammadAGmy mediaplayer builds in 40s, with make -j423:59
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alteregoMohammadAG: that's not bad at all23:59
MohammadAG(on a quad core PC running @ 2.4GHz)23:59
alteregoWhat are you on about? :P23:59
alteregoOh right23:59
alteregoHow long on the N900 then? :D23:59
MohammadAG4 minutes as of two months ago23:59
MohammadAG:P23:59

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