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| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/nokia-n0/ meheh :D | 00:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 starts to wonder if ke_rcv might be kevent-receive | 00:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, if he wasn't leaving that fast, I could have pointed him at ke-recv-test | 00:12 |
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| nox- | http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | t - swap off (ext-)MMC | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | c - enable charging mode o.o o.O O.O | 00:14 |
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| Tr4sK | Hi all | 00:17 |
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| wazd | o/ | 00:18 |
| Tr4sK | i try to run subversion on my n900 | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever ke-recv c does, it's not what I thought it might be | 00:19 |
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| Tr4sK | I got an "segmentation fault" error. any Idea | 00:19 |
| nox- | svn may not work on fat... | 00:20 |
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| nox- | (if this was on mydocs) | 00:20 |
| Tr4sK | hm | 00:20 |
| Tr4sK | ok thx :) | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH, /me stupid | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny when you look at one device while hacking via ssh on another | 00:21 |
| nox- | haha | 00:21 |
| nox- | i guess thats the downside of having more than one n900 :) | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it doesn't really change anything substantial on my evaluation of ke-recv c | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ke-recv-test c even | 00:24 |
| Tr4sK | nox-: same error on /home/ | 00:25 |
| nox- | :( | 00:25 |
| Tr4sK | ext3 partition | 00:25 |
| nox- | yeah | 00:26 |
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| nox- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70570 | 00:27 |
| Tr4sK | it's look like the pakage is brocken | 00:27 |
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| nox- | apparently | 00:29 |
| nox- | tho one guy has a working one from extras-devel | 00:30 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | question... i'm in portugal, the image for my region is global right? | 00:43 |
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| BCMM | o0-Dan-0o: don't know, but use global anyway | 00:45 |
| o0-Dan-0o | XD | 00:46 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ok | 00:46 |
| BCMM | everybody does | 00:46 |
| BCMM | in fact, i'm not clear on what the differences are | 00:46 |
| BCMM | apart from local stuff getting released later | 00:47 |
| Proteous | I give global the "works on my machine" badge of approval | 00:47 |
| o0-Dan-0o | thanks BCMM | 00:47 |
| o0-Dan-0o | =) | 00:47 |
| BCMM | which isn't a consideration now that nothing's going to be released | 00:47 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:47 |
| BCMM | (1.3.3.7 doesn't care about regions, ofc) | 00:47 |
| o0-Dan-0o | gonna go for RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:49 |
| o0-Dan-0o | seems to be the latest stuff | 00:49 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | in the download section it says "...Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that..." | 00:55 |
| o0-Dan-0o | but in the guide the example says to flash rootfs/FIASCO 1st | 00:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well I got remmina looking "okay" on my phone | 00:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | unfortunately it employs a few functions that make it hard to translate to a hildon interface | 00:58 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | maybe i saw it wrong.. im a bit sleepy.. | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | grr, can't figure out how to detect if I'm in the task manager | 01:00 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | hey MohammadAG | 01:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | a tip pls | 01:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ? | 01:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | first flash emmc or rootfs :s | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | i always do rootfs then eMMC | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | without -R | 01:03 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i think the guide says one way and in the download section says otherwise | 01:03 |
| o0-Dan-0o | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o0-Dan-0o: i told you both ways work. the 'complicated' way is more failsafe | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | incredible, this had been fixed months ago | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah no, it's the failsafe way | 01:05 |
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| MohammadAG | indeed, order doesn't matter, but flashing eMMC first usually fails due to flasher being retarded | 01:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | complicated way? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | complicated as in 'remove battery .. didumdidum...' | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashingt | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing | 01:06 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | o0-Dan-0o: basically if you got your shit sorted and can write BOTH commands (for flashing rootfs and emmc, this sequence) in ONE commandline like "flasher combined && flasher vanilla" and both are guaranteed to work (no typos, no wrong parameters, no -R, no wrong path to file) THEN the 'simple' command is way more convenient | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/ple' command/ple' method/ | 01:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: o0-Dan-0o: basically if you got your shit sorted and can write BOTH commands (for flashing rootfs and emmc, this sequence) in ONE commandline like "flasher combined && flasher vanilla" and both are guaranteed to work (no typos, no wrong parameters, no -R,... | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks infobot | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~useless | 01:13 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 01:13 | |
| * BCMM pats infobot | 01:13 | |
| o0-Dan-0o | man i did read the guide didnt see anything about simple or complicated way | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o0-Dan-0o: just do it like explained at ~flashing | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the 'simple' way is as explained above, flashing combined first and IMMEDIATELY after flash vanilla, without booting, unplugging or anything else between both | 01:22 |
| o0-Dan-0o | oki | 01:22 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ty | 01:22 |
| o0-Dan-0o | the -R stands for read? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the 'complicated' but foolproof method is to start flasher vanilla, then plug in device, then insert battery to device while holding 'u' | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -R is Reboot and is exactly what you MUST NOT do on simple method | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | complicated step 2: do the same procedure for combined | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (start flasher, plug in, insert bat) | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody actually needs -R | 01:26 |
| o0-Dan-0o | either way having battery on the device i'll always be able to save it if it goes wrong yeah | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 70% of failing flashings are caused by -R, as users don't understand -R *does* reboot the system | 01:27 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ...my baby | 01:27 |
| o0-Dan-0o | sniff.. | 01:27 |
| o0-Dan-0o | :x | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can not 'brick' the N900 by flasher oopsies | 01:28 |
| o0-Dan-0o | hehe =) nice | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | N900 can only do 16 bit color right? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 01:29 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | well, that explains why this gles render i'm using isnt working | 01:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its forcing a 32 bit color setting | 01:30 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | X-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m | 01:53 |
| o0-Dan-0o | dang even after doing the win7 x64 workaround it doesnt work | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | %m means file not found. check your path to file | 01:55 |
| o0-Dan-0o | doh! | 01:56 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ur right | 01:56 |
| o0-Dan-0o | thx | 01:56 |
| o0-Dan-0o | im so sleepy but i want this done so i can take my baby to work tommorrow morning ^ | 01:57 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ^^ | 01:57 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | woot | 01:59 |
| o0-Dan-0o | DocScrutinizer, youre the * | 02:00 |
| o0-Dan-0o | :D | 02:00 |
| o0-Dan-0o | cr*p | 02:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | combined done | 02:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | but vanilla | 02:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | didnt | 02:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | it seems it disconnected the phone | 02:02 |
| o0-Dan-0o | damn win x64!? | 02:02 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | what now =( | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see? that's why I suggest the 'complicated' way | 02:02 |
| o0-Dan-0o | yeah | 02:03 |
| o0-Dan-0o | now what start over? | 02:03 |
| o0-Dan-0o | maybe do vanilla 1st | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | you're still trying to flash it? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, start with flashing VANILLA, the way explained in ~flashing (start flasher, plug in device, then insert battery while holding 'u') | 02:04 |
| o0-Dan-0o | the device is connected to the usb | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | then when done remove battery and start over same procedure, now for COMBINED | 02:05 |
| o0-Dan-0o | but it seems its disconnected nokia simbol not there windows tryed to recognize the device but it didnt | 02:05 |
| o0-Dan-0o | (win7 x64) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's unelated to 64 | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you just ran into one of teh plenty DONT's with 'simple' method, and MohammadAG never wants to understand there are any | 02:06 |
| jacekowski | works for me | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why he laways suggests to flash combined first, as simple method doesn't work with vanilla first | 02:07 |
| jacekowski | your method is overcomplicated | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's failsafe | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it *always* works | 02:08 |
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| jacekowski | if o0-Dan-0o has not managed to flash it in 2h now then he should just give up | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 02:08 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | it wont do the vanilla | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | what is the message? | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | show whole log to pastebin.com | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | paste* | 02:09 |
| o0-Dan-0o | Booting device into flash mode. | 02:09 |
| o0-Dan-0o | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: which version of flasher do you have? | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: btw. it looks like nolo can coldflash dead rapuyama | 02:10 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | http://pastebin.com/zr1aHKyd | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | well, that's obvious | 02:11 |
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| jacekowski | but i think now how it's doing it | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | buehehehehehehehehe | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)7 | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | use flasher 3.5 | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | that's only working flasher for n900 | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: flasher 3.5 reports like that afaik | 02:11 |
| o0-Dan-0o | the link and the .exe said it was 3.5 | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | o0-Dan-0o: yes, don't get confused by what jacekowski tells you :-) | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: are you running it as administrator? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got the correct flasher, otherwise it hadn't flashed COMBINED | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: i mean right click on cmd -> run as administrator | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also run it as admin otherwise it hadn't... | 02:13 |
| o0-Dan-0o | the flasher did the COMBINED just fine | 02:13 |
| o0-Dan-0o | so i guess it's not a permission problem | 02:13 |
| o0-Dan-0o | right | 02:13 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ? | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | it's 64 bit windows problem | 02:14 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i guess | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: how that??? | 02:16 |
| o0-Dan-0o | did run cmd as admins as expected nothing | 02:16 |
| pupnik | woohoo found my segfault | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | is 64 incompatible with vanilla or what? | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | but so far everybody who had that problem had 64 bit windows | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but it's a 64 problem | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | never seen it happen on 32bit | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | o0-Dan-0o has attached the device while it booted, so windows has loaded some friggin driver. | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | 64bit is for people that have too much free time | 02:18 |
| pupnik | my feelings also jacekowski | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | o0-Dan-0o: reboot windows, then start over again, with switched off (battery out) device plugged in in to started flasher, then insert battery | 02:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm, what about checking what drivers are installed after flasher reboots phone | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously a thing for people with too much time | 02:19 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i have a winxp machine | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have NFC how to check *anything* on redmond virus | 02:20 |
| o0-Dan-0o | better go start there right | 02:20 |
| o0-Dan-0o | xp(x86) | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you going to flash your device now? or are we going to debug and debate windoze? | 02:21 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i will flash | 02:21 |
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| pupnik | "they're made of meat? meat." | 02:26 |
| o0-Dan-0o | done x86 ftmfw | 02:29 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ;) | 02:29 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | have to go to work at 6am | 02:30 |
| o0-Dan-0o | 1st boot takes longer than usual? | 02:30 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i just see the dots | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | a lot longer | 02:31 |
| o0-Dan-0o | aaaaah | 02:31 |
| o0-Dan-0o | =) | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | it copies stuff to emmc | 02:31 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ran like a champ in winxp x86 | 02:31 |
| o0-Dan-0o | thanks guys | 02:32 |
| o0-Dan-0o | cya later | 02:32 |
| o0-Dan-0o | [[]] | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | seems the overly complicated method worked? | 02:32 |
| o0-Dan-0o | not realy simple as it gets "plug and play" | 02:33 |
| o0-Dan-0o | plug > run > run > done! | 02:33 |
| o0-Dan-0o | x64 = bad | 02:33 |
| jacekowski | it does work like that | 02:33 |
| jacekowski | unless you hit a problem | 02:34 |
| o0-Dan-0o | anyway [[]] | 02:34 |
| o0-Dan-0o | laterz | 02:34 |
| o0-Dan-0o | =) | 02:35 |
| pupnik | ds3: around? | 02:35 |
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| ds3 | pupnik, yes? | 02:42 |
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| pupnik | ds3 just built stella for n900 but i can't find my old changelog | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | ds3: anyway if it 'basically works' maybe you could test | 02:45 |
| ds3 | okay, give me link | 02:45 |
| ds3 | I am guessing I need to force uninstall to pick it up? | 02:45 |
| pupnik | well i have to see if it runs at all - catch you in a few | 02:46 |
| ds3 | okay | 02:46 |
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| pupnik | ds3: what kinds of frames per second were you getting? | 02:54 |
| ds3 | didn't check but the movement speed was sufficient | 02:55 |
| pupnik | looking for reasonable key assignments | 02:56 |
| pupnik | ds3: can you reassign keys in a config file somewhere? | 02:57 |
| ds3 | not that I know off | 03:00 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer to get that right in the end... blinking every 0.2s is 5Hz not 2.5... | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | oh man ds3 these sounds are so awesome | 03:02 |
| trip0 | oh sh!z | 03:03 |
| trip0 | did freenode just april foolz me | 03:03 |
| trip0 | ? | 03:03 |
| chem|st | it is not switching every 200ms so the detection rate is 5hz the maximum switching rate is 2.5Hz | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: sorry to disapoint you, but blinking 5 times a second is of course 5Hz, but switch can only toggle on ech flash, so to toggle forth and back it takes two flashes aka 2.5Hz | 03:04 |
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| chem|st | rereading my last I am confused myself... | 03:05 |
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| pupnik | ds3 what do you want mapped for select, reset, etc | 03:06 |
| chem|st | it is sensing in 5Hz and can switch at 2.5Hz | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | always assuming the figures are basically right, which I don't know and neither know how to find a spec for it. But it's irrelevant enyway | 03:06 |
| chem|st | sure... would love to have it a proper distance (~10cm) sensor and not just a switch | 03:07 |
| ds3 | pupnik: I donno what is a good combo beyond - shift to fire, arrows... the other keys should not be that critical since they are not used in teh game itself; they were just stuff to control the console | 03:10 |
| pupnik | ds3 i put fire on 'a' | 03:10 |
| pupnik | ds3 and the commands for select/reset/difficulty go across the top row of the keyboard qwertyuiop -- o and p are save and load state | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *burp* now where's chemist? | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | ds3: confirmed- multikey presses work | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | ds3 control-q to quit | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just when I want to suggest to him to exploit synergetic effect of prox sensor plus 84 sensitive frontcam to build his own true analog distance sensor... :-/ | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trip0: they for shure did fool me, with that FUGLY colored notice, that's been completely illegible on my N810 so I had to move over here | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: multikey works for all 2-key combos on N900 | 03:18 |
| pupnik | ty DocScrutinizer | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not so for some 3-key-chords and even worse for 4-key | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's the EE take on it. No idea what sw does to the matrix readout result | 03:20 |
| pupnik | i got two key combos just fine | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: basically all 3-key combos where 2 keys share a col and 2 (other of course) keys share a row, always create a ghost key on the intersection of the row and col with just one button on them | 03:24 |
| pupnik | aha! :) | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | graphically each triangle with a upright and a horizontal line gets augmented to a rectangle by a ghostkey | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where those locations are in the matrix symbolic representation, not the actual kbd layout that has electrical rows and cols rather as meanders | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 4 key combos either are creating such rectangle, then you can't know about the 4th key actually being pressed. Or they create two independent rectangles plus a few aditional side effects | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you might see up to 6 or even more buttons detected for 4-key combos | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 3-k it's just sufficient to know the invalid tuples like ctl-shift-j/k | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 03:31 |
| trip0 | wtf is all this n0 stuff? | 03:31 |
| trip0 | ~n0 | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 03:31 |
| trip0 | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/promo1.jpg?w=800&h=1200 | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pff | 03:31 |
| trip0 | can't be real, but it's the second time i've heard of it | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cba to even look for it | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon an URL with "promo" in it | 03:32 |
| pupnik | lol | 03:32 |
| nox- | haha | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I don't have a screen with w=800&h=1200 | 03:32 |
| pupnik | not bad trip0 - it has an ESC key!! | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you bet I won't click that link, and I'd ask you not to post it again | 03:33 |
| pupnik | however, it's missing all the important keys for shell | 03:33 |
| pupnik | it's a wazd dream tablet render DocScrutinizer | 03:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | ooh, it comes w/ duke nukem! | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, that one | 03:34 |
| pupnik | abit too boxy for my taste | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I started a rant about the unbearable kbd layout yesterday, which earned me a flamewar about amoled kbds | 03:35 |
| pupnik | the sharp edges would be pocket-unfriendly | 03:35 |
| pupnik | haha | 03:35 |
| trip0 | oooo, sharp edges! | 03:35 |
| trip0 | actually, my doctor says i should avoid those after the "incident" | 03:36 |
| pupnik | but he has an extra column of keys between the 'p' and the 'cr' which is very good | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you bet I won't click strange URLs *today* :-P | 03:36 |
| pupnik | gives you space for sensible positioning of ;'[]:"{} | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither freenode's nor trip0's | 03:36 |
| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, it's still the 31st here. and i'm too lame to actually make up an april fools joke | 03:37 |
| pupnik | a lot of good community wishlist things there though | 03:37 |
| trip0 | but that link actually makes more sense in that context | 03:37 |
| pupnik | the battery backup for hotswap ++ | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no april fool's joke? LOL! | 03:38 |
| pupnik | nice job wazd | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | we checked the idea of a bupbat for hotswap maybe 3 years ago. It's simply not feasible | 03:39 |
| pupnik | i think such renders help get people thinking about 'yeah, that's what we want' | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It's feasible. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If you require software support. | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, almost as feasible as suspend-to-disk | 03:40 |
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| pupnik | nice | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | support from modem firmware, suuuure | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | suspend-disk would be not quite fast enough. | 03:40 |
| pupnik | why does the software need to be made aware of the swap | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: To reduce power use. | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | because you can't support the >2A a modem may eat | 03:41 |
| pupnik | ah ty | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Screen off, disable modem, ... | 03:41 |
| pupnik | but the battery can supply the 2A | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not long enough | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | ok, split battery in two | 03:42 |
| pupnik | :D | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's absolute nonsense | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need two charger controllers then | 03:42 |
| pupnik | yea | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need two swappable batteries then | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need LOTS of additional space then | 03:43 |
| pupnik | both with 1250mAh :D | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need discharge management then, as you don't want both to deplete same time | 03:44 |
| pupnik | device slightly larget than n810 :0 | 03:44 |
| pupnik | right | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly you need something better to send me on a april fool's joke | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | i'm not joking | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you got hoaxed | 03:45 |
| pupnik | no | 03:45 |
| pupnik | these are just sketches of devices we'd like to see | 03:45 |
| pupnik | since we can't force nokia to make em | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 03:45 |
| pupnik | we show them pixs | 03:45 |
| pupnik | got it? | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | plus wazd is a talented graphics guy | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | nice sense of color, design | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I want to see a device I can roll up, with a 21" screen and a battery that never discharges and can start my car | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | so they are pretty in that right | 03:46 |
| pupnik | why are you so dismissive of the work of others | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Also that you can run your car over. | 03:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | (and have it still work) | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (the device, not the car) | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I'm just angry on nonsense | 03:47 |
| trip0 | my phone can start my car | 03:48 |
| pupnik | i think you're not understanding the motivation behind it | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, I'm missing the point of it | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | except wazd mentioned yesterday "prepare for apr 1.!" | 03:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some companies add to confusion by actually launching stuff on Apr 1. | 03:49 |
| trip0 | marketing fail | 03:49 |
| pupnik | ... and it is to show off some design ideas | 03:49 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, I have an exam on apr 1... | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/ - I hope for something fun on the 5th. | 03:49 |
| pupnik | but to you, design means little. that's ok. | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've seen design ideas a metric ton on thin paper | 03:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | The problem is that most of the 'design ideas' have no idea about the actual cost. | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | most of them not worth the poor trees that had to die for paper and pencil | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | For example 'hardware keyboard over AMOLED layer...' | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | This adds perhaps at best 2-3mm to your keyboard. | 03:50 |
| pupnik | funny to me, how wazd makes sketches that look much more beautiful than anything that comes out of asia | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Makes the device perhaps 30-40g heavier. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and way more flimsy | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the keys | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably, yes. | 03:51 |
| pupnik | Still my keyboard is bestest :P | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And optically, it doesn't really work unless you use gradient imaging or fibre lenses. | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Fibre lenses seem in principle possible, but they are not going to be cheap for the first 10 million units. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: maybe that's because out of Asia there are real designs that you can actually use somehow | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes | 03:54 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: yes, LG made one phone designed by a european. the LG-GD880 mini | 03:54 |
| pupnik | it looks fantastic | 03:54 |
| pupnik | there's a significant design culture mis-alignment here | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably even *can get produced* | 03:55 |
| pupnik | the new chinese bullet train is a good example | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's start simple: the design ^^^ looks good partially because of the straight lines. stright lines mean sharp corners and edges. Sharp edges are a nogo for such a device. Nice design is easy as long as it doesn't consider any usability and manufacturing requirements | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see hotswap bupbat | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ETX | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd like a device with shiny top notch SOFTWARE | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hardware is just good enough, when used properly | 04:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | More RAM is basically the only urgent change. | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't want a device with mega battery, to allow Qt devels to votch with elementary things like POLLING shit | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | HELL hotswap batttery - WTF!? I just do NOT want to have to swap battery ever | 04:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are existing pre-packed solutions that pack 14Wh in very small packages. All it needs is for the n900 to accept sugar-cubes. | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so give me SOFTWARE that makes use of the capability of N900 hw to standby for 9 days | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | instead of friggin fubar qt libs tat eat w bats a day and then come with nonsense like hotswap | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm honestly pissed about sw 'devels' that mess up each and every system they cn get hold of, just to start whining for better hw that allows them to mess up even more | 04:10 |
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| nox- | it's called `progress' | 04:11 |
| nox- | :P | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, the redmond borne definition of progress | 04:13 |
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| nox- | just like each kde version tends to be as bloated to just run well enough on that time's `current' hw :P | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | don't get me started about KDE4 | 04:14 |
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| pupnik | ds3: http://www.fileserve.com/file/5ZVz2Cq | 04:33 |
| pupnik | should have a more readable/usable config menu now | 04:34 |
| ds3 | wtf it is 44K? | 04:34 |
| ds3 | n/m that isn't a wget link | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 04:35 |
| pupnik | ds3: i'm guessing a few of those 2600 games need diagonal joystick | 04:36 |
| ds3 | I am loosing patience... if the download doesn't start going in the next 10 seconds, I'll find a site for you to upload =) | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 04:38 |
| pupnik | it's 1.5MB | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | he said *start* | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | not finish | 04:38 |
| ds3 | it is done | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I'd happily host a humble 1.5MB for you | 04:39 |
| ds3 | I got places I can host it | 04:39 |
| ds3 | installing it... bbiab | 04:39 |
| pupnik | it's pretty hardcore to play 2600 games | 04:40 |
| ds3 | they are the only decent games | 04:40 |
| pupnik | :) | 04:40 |
| pupnik | just tried a couple, some are nice and tough, reflex wise | 04:40 |
| pupnik | and the sounds, the sounds are glorious :D | 04:41 |
| pupnik | in battlezone i seem to do best driving in reverse most of the time | 04:41 |
| ds3 | doh, it is a .tgz, no wonder dpkg didn't work ;) | 04:42 |
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| ds3 | Nice | 04:47 |
| ds3 | key cording seems to work | 04:47 |
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| timeless_w7ip | can someone help me brute force a debian repo? :) | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | ++ ds3 | 04:57 |
| pupnik | timeless_w7ip: what does that mean? | 04:57 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/ | 04:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | i want to know which .deb "is" firefox 4.0 for i386 | 04:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | err sorry | 04:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox-4.0/ | 04:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | i guess [ ]firefox-4.0_4.0~b13~hg20110321r63449+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid_i386.deb22-Mar-2011 07:35 14M? | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | ds3: how is the sound playback for you? | 05:08 |
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| pupnik | i just lost keyboard control and got touchscreen control instead | 05:11 |
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| pupnik | oh that's player 2 | 05:12 |
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| pupnik | in role playing games, the currency is never fiat paper ;) | 05:29 |
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| chx | pupnik: there are surely a number which use fiat money, i need to think on one that used fiat paper | 05:31 |
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| pupnik | find an exception and you prove the rule ;) | 05:35 |
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| krayon | Does anyone know what data type the gconf /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes is? | 05:58 |
| pupnik | shot in the dark eh krayon | 06:01 |
| krayon | I um... kinda unset them and they don't seem to be coming back :S | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ghh | 06:02 |
| krayon | I've only got one N900 here :/ | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mompls | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | krayon: gimme something to paste | 06:08 |
| krayon | pupnik: gconftool-2 -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | type string | 06:11 |
| krayon | interesting | 06:11 |
| krayon | thanks DocScrutinizer51 :) | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | $ gconftool -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | string | 06:12 |
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| KrayoN900 | Doesn't look like you can set it, gets reset as soon as you transfer more data :-( | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui gconf needs so called schemata | 06:30 |
| Termana | good morning | 06:30 |
| pupnik | moo | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if a simple set of key to a value really creates the key once it got deleted | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think you need to create the key | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not just set it to a value | 06:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | KrayoN900: what you need is a gconftool --dump /foo/bar aiui, so you can --load it for that key | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mere handwaving though, as I never really touched gconf | 06:44 |
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| krayon | DocScrutinizer51: No it does autocreate. | 07:20 |
| krayon | DocScrutinizer51: I was trying to set the value but it seems that the GPRS driver or something there holds the value as well, as pushes it out to gconf whenever it changes. | 07:21 |
| krayon | So I guess there's no easy way to set the value unless I talk to whatever else is keeping track of the value. | 07:21 |
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| pupnik | god, N900 missing escape key breaks SO MUCH | 07:23 |
| pupnik | remapping keys is a pain. it's a real pain | 07:24 |
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| Termana | pupnik, what escape key? or are you saying you don't like that it doesn't have one? | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | the fact that the n900 is missing one creates a lot of problems | 07:29 |
| pupnik | they thought 'we will write software that doesn't need it!' | 07:30 |
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| pupnik | well if they want to do that, then they can jolly well rewrite all the software on the planet | 07:31 |
| pupnik | give me the telephone number of the genius who decided this | 07:31 |
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| pupnik | it's like making a car that can only turn left | 07:34 |
| pupnik | "this will make driving simpler! the user will be less confused!" | 07:34 |
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| pupnik | and when someone asks you "what about someone who wants to turn right?" | 07:37 |
| pupnik | you answer "Simple! Turn left three times!" | 07:37 |
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| Termana | rant finished? | 07:44 |
| Termana | :p | 07:44 |
| pupnik | ya | 07:44 |
| Termana | What other mobile have you seen with an escape key? | 07:44 |
| Termana | Not many I'm sure. I doubt you'll find many in future. | 07:45 |
| pupnik | http://www.geekzone.co.nz/images/reviews/netbookpro/100_1583.JPG | 07:45 |
| pupnik | nom nom | 07:45 |
| Termana | lol :p | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | n810 had one :( | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | but you may well be right | 07:47 |
| Termana | pupnik, no it didn't? | 07:47 |
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| pupnik | yeh, toggle buttons on screen bezel | 07:47 |
| pupnik | lower one was esc | 07:47 |
| pupnik | at least for me :D | 07:48 |
| Termana | oh right | 07:48 |
| Termana | :p | 07:48 |
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| krayon | They could 'ave made the camera button be esc on keyboard open, I'd have like'd that for vim | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | they got the N900 clickyness perfect though. that's the best feel i've ever experienced on a portable | 07:50 |
| pupnik | well, e71/e72 had it as well | 07:50 |
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| pupnik | i imagine Microsoft compilers have a 'clippy' that says 'did you mean to type "==" instead of "=" ?' | 07:54 |
| slonopotamus | meh. fourth (!) n900 charger stopped charging, connector troubles | 07:56 |
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| pupnik | slonopotamus: my solution is an external charger | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | my solution would be another device if there was any competitive | 07:58 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe http://svalko.org/data/2011_03_31_10_48_graphjam_files_wordpress_com_2011_03_funny_graphs_ananas.png | 08:00 |
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| pupnik | what keymod is the blue function key in SDL? | 09:36 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: sound works as expected | 09:42 |
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| pupnik | src] > grep SDLK_ESCAPE * |wc -l | 10:00 |
| pupnik | 37 | 10:00 |
| pupnik | sigh | 10:00 |
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| mece | pupnik, so just replace it :P | 10:09 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/01/app_of_the_week_wink_o_meter/ <-- rofl | 10:39 |
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| pupnik | is grep the most important programming tool ever? | 11:06 |
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| inz | pupnik, very likely | 11:11 |
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| chx | someone linked a mail from the orig author of gnu grep to reddit today | 11:15 |
| chx | it was most interesting | 11:15 |
| chx | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019310.html# | 11:15 |
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| borco | hi | 11:29 |
| borco | X-Fade: hi | 11:29 |
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| krayon | chx: Thanks for the link, cool read :) | 11:30 |
| borco | X-Fade: the buildsystem rejects my builds, but i get no emails about the failures. | 11:30 |
| borco | X-Fade: can you please check why? | 11:30 |
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| borco | X-Fade: sure, but how can i check? | 11:32 |
| borco | X-Fade: i get no message. that's the problem. | 11:32 |
| ZogG | ruskie, hey | 11:32 |
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| X-Fade | borco: Which package? | 11:33 |
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| borco | X-Fade: simplexbmcremote. i can see the error now, as somebody on devel pointem me to the web archives | 11:34 |
| borco | X-Fade: they also suggested you might be able to fix the problem that stops me from receiving those emails | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | borco: Check your spam. | 11:36 |
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| borco | X-Fade: nothing there. my email contains a '+'. is this a problem? | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | borco: should not. | 11:37 |
| borco | X-Fade: i use iborco+maemo to allow filtering | 11:37 |
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| X-Fade | borco: Yeah, I can see your email. Looks fine. | 11:37 |
| borco | X-Fade: nothing in trash, nothing in spam, no automatic rule for that yet. i was going to add it if i got too many emails, but i haven't had to yet... | 11:39 |
| borco | X-Fade: can you please check if the email was really sent? | 11:41 |
| borco | X-Fade: as a last solution i could subscribe to the list, but i would rather receive only messages relevant to my packages... | 11:41 |
| pupnik | it's kind of nice to edit code and compile and not have syntax errors | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, good friend | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, it seems you are finally ready for cat | gcc | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | No source files required anymore | 11:42 |
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| pupnik | is the N900 display some kind of IPS? | 11:45 |
| pupnik | colors are very consistent across viewing angles | 11:45 |
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| X-Fade | borco: I don't see any mail going out to you. | 11:46 |
| borco | X-Fade: me neither :) that's my problem :D | 11:47 |
| borco | X-Fade: so what can i do to fix this? | 11:47 |
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| ZogG | X-Fade i heard you can give vhosts | 11:50 |
| ZogG | i mean for irc like ZogG@blah.blah | 11:50 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, those are cloaks | 11:51 |
| ruskie | not vhosts | 11:51 |
| chx | pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=582728 | 11:52 |
| ZogG | cloaks are the place where from birds do poopoo | 11:52 |
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| ZogG | ruskie have you searched for me? | 11:52 |
| ruskie | not really | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is media-im-status-updater still working? | 11:53 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cloak | 11:53 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: as well as it ever did afaik | 11:53 |
| alterego | Do you mean with your player? | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, how do I check if it actually is? | 11:54 |
| phap | hello all | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | does it matter? all other mafw apps work | 11:54 |
| ruskie | ZogG, also: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks | 11:54 |
| alterego | Do you have any IM accounts configured on your device? | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | of course | 11:54 |
| phap | anyone know a command to lauch applications in the background? | 11:54 |
| pupnik | app-name& | 11:55 |
| ZogG | ruskie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca | 11:55 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, written differently ;) | 11:55 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, select an account in the status updater ui to update and get someone to look at your status as you change track | 11:56 |
| alterego | MSN Messenger takes about 5 seconds to refresh, so that's about 10 seconds after a track change. | 11:56 |
| alterego | btw | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, shouldn't the status menu show that? | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | or dbus-monitor for that matter | 11:57 |
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| alterego | dbus-monitor will show the method calls my app makes to telepathy | 11:57 |
| phap | pupnik, that's not what I meant. I'd like to open leafpad via the terminal but to stay in the terminal | 11:57 |
| ruskie | ZogG, also it's plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;) | 11:58 |
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| ruskie | s/it's/its/ | 11:58 |
| infobot | ruskie meant: ZogG, also its plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;) | 11:58 |
| ruskie | gah | 11:58 |
| ruskie | to tired to argue nowv | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mooo | 11:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, so dbus-monitor --session | grep -A Telepathy should actually return something right? | 11:58 |
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| MohammadAG | cause it isn't :) | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hammad | 11:59 |
| ZogG | ruskie i'm not argueing man =) | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :) | 11:59 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, was just kidding | 11:59 |
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| pupnik | phap: so launch leafpad with & and find a way to bring window focus to terminal | 11:59 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: probably not, I don't know what you're grepping for :P | 12:00 |
| alterego | You could try grepping for the track name :D | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, telepathy's path, duh :P | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | if I change presence it does return hits | 12:00 |
| alterego | Okay, then yes, it should work. | 12:00 |
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| * ruskie is not in a jovial mood today | 12:01 | |
| ZogG | ruskie something happened? | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you guys have fun? | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, but doesn't, does the daemon output debug messages? | 12:01 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, the week happened... I've been tired the whole week | 12:02 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: does if you run it from console. | 12:02 |
| alterego | stop the service with upstart and run it manually .. | 12:02 |
| ZogG | ruskie than you should be happy and rest | 12:02 |
| ruskie | ZogG, hard to do with an 8h/day job | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: app started with upstart?? duh! | 12:03 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: the mafw monitoring daemon is started by upstart yes. | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mafw monitoring... sounds ultranifty | 12:04 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: anyway, you can check that your status has changed in the availability dialog from systray menu | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, sec, it's erroring out | 12:05 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: funsies :) | 12:05 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/FmmSfmQE | 12:08 |
| alterego | well that's a bit lame | 12:09 |
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| borco | X-Fade: i've subscribed to the extras-cauldron-builds. hopefully this solves the problem for the moment. if you have time, it would be great if i receive notifications without being subscribed to extras-cauldron-builds | 12:13 |
| alterego | On a positive note, that's nothing to do with you :) | 12:13 |
| borco | cheers. | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | ~spank MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case | 12:14 |
| * infobot bends MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case's pasty white buttocks. | 12:14 | |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 12:14 |
| alterego | heh | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any quick fixes? :P | 12:17 |
| alterego | Nope, I have no idea why that's doing that :P | 12:19 |
| alterego | And not really much time to check. | 12:20 |
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| phap | any clue for a command to switch desktops please? | 12:26 |
| ruskie | switch desktops? | 12:28 |
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| ruskie | you mean taking your finger and swipping it left/right isn't working? | 12:28 |
| phap | yes it does but I need a command to switch let's say to number 6 from number 2 without the widgets | 12:29 |
| ruskie | what??? | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | set the gconf value | 12:31 |
| phap | how? | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 1 | 12:32 |
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| phap | I founds this before but it doesn't work... | 12:35 |
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| ruskie | what happens and what are you expecting to happen and when have you tried it? | 12:38 |
| ruskie | if an app is running it won't really do much in terms of switching unless you minimize it | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 6 | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | it should work | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | not as root btw | 12:39 |
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| korhojoa | urgh. i was so confused when i saw loldongs in my current process list | 12:41 |
| korhojoa | apparently, it was the autoconnect for the voip accounts | 12:42 |
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| pupnik | 1981: Space Shuttle Columbia. Ms-DOS 1.0 | 12:42 |
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| phap | ok now it works I removed the -2 | 12:43 |
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| phap | but still... if I type it from the terminal ok it switched desktop but then I don't want to be in terminal anymore but on the desktop | 12:44 |
| ruskie | would be nice if the virtual desktops would actually be actual desktops... not just convinent places to dump a set amount of widgets/shortcuts/etc... | 12:46 |
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| ruskie | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html <-- hehe | 12:48 |
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| MohammadAG | phap, I don't get what you're trying to do, but to go to the desktop after setting the value gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 1 && wmctrl -k on | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be much better if it actually worked - flash can do cameras. :) | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | also, removing -2 doesn't make a difference, gconftool is a symlink to gconftool-2 | 12:50 |
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| phap | yes! | 12:52 |
| phap | it works now thanks a lot | 12:52 |
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| phap | what I try to do is to launch someplayer and to return to the desktop | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | then just use wmctrl -k on, no need to change the current desktop | 12:55 |
| phap | actually no I don't need to change desktop but first I thought a command to switch desktop would bring me to the desktop the way wmctrl -k on does | 12:56 |
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| MohammadAG | method call sender=:1.28 -> dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer serial=761 path=/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer; interface=com.nokia.mediaplayer; member=open_mp_now_playing | 13:00 |
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| MohammadAG | can some DBus guru explain how the stock player picks that up even when it's not running? | 13:00 |
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| ruskie | MohammadAG, I thought it is actually running | 13:01 |
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| ruskie | pre-loaded | 13:01 |
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| MohammadAG | nope | 13:01 |
| ruskie | and iirc the .desktop files have stuff as well so might be h-d that's picking them up and launching the relevant .desktop files | 13:01 |
| ruskie | if they aren't already running | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | that's LaunchApplication | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | and that launches the player itself, not the now playing view | 13:02 |
| ruskie | well it needs to start the player first then it can process the actual call | 13:03 |
| sp3000 | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ | 13:03 |
| sp3000 | presumably | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | sp3000, so anything that exists there will be launched first then the DBus method will be called? | 13:05 |
| sp3000 | that's my vague understanding, that those specify the service processes that would be launched to receive calls yeah | 13:06 |
| pupnik | how does a browser take up 516MB? | 13:07 |
| ruskie | pupnik, mem leaking like any other browser | 13:07 |
| ruskie | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.mediaplayer.service specifies the exec and the name it listens for | 13:07 |
| ruskie | so I'm guessing dbus will check that and the lanuch the relevant binary to send the actual message to | 13:08 |
| sp3000 | pupnik: how does the web take 516MB | 13:08 |
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| pupnik | ruskie: i'm not sure cheap RAM was a good thing for mankind | 13:08 |
| sp3000 | ;) | 13:08 |
| ruskie | pupnik, who says it's cheap... | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG | sp3000, is the call delayed till the app actually starts or do I have to listen to it early? | 13:10 |
| ruskie | I can accept that one needs more ram now-a-days... but one shouldn't need inasne amounts that things require | 13:10 |
| sp3000 | MohammadAG: no idea what the ...um, early lifecycle deal is | 13:10 |
| sp3000 | I'd imagine there's something like, eventually the process makes itself known on the bus and then it receives something | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | sp3000, thanks, quick editing of .desktop and .service files launches my mediaplayer :) | 13:11 |
| ruskie | might be that the message actually stays on the line until something grabs it or tells the bus that it's listening for it | 13:11 |
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| Juozapas | hi can u recomend some music player for n900? i hate that default player organize music only by id3 and it very difficult to find a song if id3 is set wrong/non correct | 13:19 |
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| ruskie | maybe MohammadAG open music player, xmms2, mplayer, canola(or whatever it is)... anything else in the multimedia section? | 13:20 |
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| phap | Juozapas, someplayer | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | chem|st: ping | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: pong | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you are irritating with all those alteregos! | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you seen my comment about analog prox detector? | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 13:47 |
| chem|st | uhm no | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | scrollwheel on nick-dropdown | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | (a BAD concept ;-P) | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | prox:: use frontcam to detect size of spot and brightness of spot of prox flash, to get some real distance | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno if cam is IR sensible, dunno if flash maybe is too short | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | phap, SomePlayer displays a random jpg as my album art | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: My complaint since ages | 13:52 |
| phap | then you are really unlucky he displays mine all fine | 13:52 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: SomePlayer is your media player rewrite? | 13:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: "scrollwheel on nick-dropdown"? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: there's some extension (of a really hard to remember name) for stock mediaplayer, to open files instead of ID3 | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | no | 13:53 |
| phap | But I choose someplayer because I can display what I want on the desktop separatly when playing with somewidget | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: konversation has a dropdown field for nick. Accidentally pointing at it with mouse and turning scrollwheel causes this annoyance | 13:53 |
| chem|st | hehe | 13:54 |
| * chem|st barely uses mice... | 13:54 | |
| MohammadAG | phap, didn't get that | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | there's a stock mediaplayer widget | 13:54 |
| phap | By the way MohammadAG there's still a problem with this command: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:volume variant:uint32:$((`dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw. | 13:55 |
| phap | extension.get_extension_property string:volume| tail -1 | awk '{print $3}'`-5))%%%\"" | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | what's &&&\? | 13:55 |
| phap | when volume is on 0 then it sets as max again if you run the command again | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | well, that would be sh | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | 0-5 = -5 | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not surprised that is sets max on invalid | 13:56 |
| phap | yes but the mediaplayer widget you can't put the album art on the right, the text on bottom and the command wherever you want | 13:56 |
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| phap | no forget the %% | 13:57 |
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| MohammadAG | that's just a widget, it can be connected to mafw easily | 13:59 |
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| phap | well maybe easily for you :-) | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Juozapas: check mussorgsky and mafw-grilo | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but yes, stock media player sucks | 14:07 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: the angle of the proxi emitter around 60° I guess, so there is no way of using it as light source for a proximity-frontcam | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | guess is a poor basis for deciding about a concept | 14:09 |
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| Dibblah | Oh great. Bought a faulty "repaired" N900. Plus side - Only £100. Minus - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dkGAIOamKS64uGXEF3UY9PkqTB-A4THmsWBFyquq1aE?feat=directlink | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | meh, still can't figure out how to use DBus services | 14:10 |
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| chem|st | Dibblah: domesheet 17€ | 14:11 |
| Dibblah | They've removed the domesheet - Tearing it - And reinstalled it with what appears to be judicious application of a clothes iron. | 14:11 |
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| Dibblah | A very serious WTF moment. | 14:11 |
| Dibblah | chem|st: Where? | 14:12 |
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| chem|st | for uk idk | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | 9 euros here http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 | 14:12 |
| Dibblah | I see one here... http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-domesheet-assembly-2691v4 | 14:12 |
| Dibblah | Heh :) | 14:12 |
| chem|st | uk seems to be NOT-EU for anything but geogrphical location | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | same site, I didn't know they had an english domain | 14:13 |
| chem|st | ok or even only 9eur | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | only 1 in stock lol | 14:13 |
| chem|st | 17.90 in a german shop... | 14:13 |
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| Dibblah | Heh. €11.90 :) | 14:17 |
| Dibblah | Shipped. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100GBP for a somewhat borked device seems no such great deal | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Lol. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:20 |
| Dibblah | "Borked" is in the eye of the beholder. | 14:20 |
| Dibblah | And that's lower than the going price. | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I would want to make sure the 'rest' of the device actually works, before starting any effort to correct the obvious problems | 14:20 |
| chem|st | my device is fully usable and I would charge 160€ for it... | 14:20 |
| Dibblah | Generally, even water damaged go for €80. | 14:20 |
| Dibblah | It certainly seems OK. | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 14:20 |
| chem|st | although it had some meeting with wheatbeer | 14:20 |
| Dibblah | I have absolutely no idea what they were trying to do. | 14:21 |
| Dibblah | The domesheet does nothing electrically, right? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are the FPC ribbon cable to screen broke when disassembling | 14:21 |
| pupnik | daimonin with hq2x tileset, scaling in-game still has a bug... http://i.imgur.com/P5BH5.jpg | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: it conducts :-) | 14:21 |
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| Dibblah | I'm going to see if this flattens out with reheating. | 14:22 |
| Dibblah | docScrutinizer: The screen connector appears fine. | 14:22 |
| Dibblah | I'm not a puller :) | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | first check if the device boots and displays properly, and if frontcam etc works | 14:23 |
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| Dibblah | It does. | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok :-) | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | And be _really_ careful with teh flex connectors. | 14:24 |
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| Dibblah | I'm going to try just ironing this sheet out. | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | After removing it I hope. :) | 14:27 |
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| dangergrrl | http://sipgate.com/ has new voip numbers this morning; they just gave me one | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: HEY! :-D | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: a tip: (at least for sipgate.de) you are reachable via direct IP SIP under SIP:<your_full_telnumber_without_leading_+_or_00>@sipgate.net | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: for you I guess this number shall start with a 1 then | 14:34 |
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| Dibblah | After ironing, the keyboard works OKish. | 14:38 |
| Dibblah | Bought the above dome mat anyway :) | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | better, for sure | 14:38 |
| Dibblah | Well, it did go a little meltier. But no keysticks, etc. | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should see if you can get new screws there as well. service-manual requests using a new set of screws each time you reassemble the device. I heard of cases where a screw broke | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: I gather the domesheet has steel disk springs anyway, no? | 14:40 |
| Dibblah | Yeah. Also, the "repair shop" managed to get the screws in the wrong places. I get the feeling this _may_ not be a pro repair. | 14:40 |
| Dibblah | Yes, it does. | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so as long as the disks are correctly located and oriented, the plastic shouldn't matter much | 14:41 |
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| MohammadAG | sp3000, ping | 14:42 |
| sp3000 | gnop | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~reverse sp3000 | 14:42 |
| infobot | 0003ps | 14:42 |
| ruskie | *KLANG* | 14:43 |
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| sp3000 | did you just walk into a bar | 14:43 |
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| MohammadAG | sp3000, any thoughts on http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7WYNqBd2 ? | 14:43 |
| ruskie | I wouldn't be surprised | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | string "No such interface 'com.nokia.mediaplayer' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'" | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 14:44 |
| sp3000 | how about /com/nokia/mediaplayer | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: use tab autocompletion in mdbus2 -i | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, umm, I'm hijacking the stock player's DBus interface, not trying to access it | 14:46 |
| ruskie | might need to do some switchboarding(take A/B/C translate to A/B/D | or run E) since so many things are just hardcoded... | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOTE: Mickey's DBus Utility requires well-behaved services, | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i.e. those which implement the DBus introspection protocol. | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdbus2: DBus has never been that much fun! | 14:46 |
| ruskie | like the browser-switchboard does | 14:46 |
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| MohammadAG | sp3000, nope, string "No such object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'" | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't talk gibberish | 14:48 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not, please understand what I'm doing | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>nope, string "foobar"<< is not any statement that can be understood by anybody - esp without leading context | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't try to read "No such interface 'com.nokia.mediaplayer' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'" as a hex value. So what means string? | 14:52 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, leading context would be some lines up | 14:53 |
| an0therb0x | Can someone please help point me to the configuration file that controls inputs when I select Menu - > System - > Settings - > Profiles .... I am trying to find out why only the "Nokia Tune" ringtone is working | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-01 13:13:27] <MohammadAG> only 1 in stock lol <--??? | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sp3000 quite right pointed at the surplus "/osso/ in the object path. Your answer makes no sense | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG | :/ | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: use mdbus2 -i and tab expansion, you'll find a lot of unexpected /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer for com.nokia.mediaplayer | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nothing faintly looking like the combination you tried | 15:03 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: cool | 15:03 |
| dangergrrl | i got a call to the 10000 test number working | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | you're obviously missing a huge point DocScrutinizer | 15:03 |
| dangergrrl | didn't work till i rebooted the n900 but it could have been just it took a few minutes | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how couldn't I miss all important points, on such an elaborate statement like >>string "fooo"<< | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG | read like 100 lines up | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suuuure | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG | that's a standard DBus reply fyi | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm stopping this now, as you come over like pissed | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I tried to help | 15:07 |
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| Macer | haha | 15:19 |
| Macer | maemo: tearing people apart | 15:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Comic Sans Pro | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a nightmare. | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/112633/ <- about mediaplayer dbus interface | 15:32 |
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| * ArkanoiD- finally removed mycontacts. fancy thing, but htop says it is main io hog most of the time and phone is noticeably slower with it | 15:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's mycontacts? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | some desktop widget? | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | closed source reimplemntation of the stock contacts | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | reimplementation* | 15:44 |
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| MohammadAG | by fcrochik (think I spelled that right) | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | closed source reimplementation? o.O | 15:44 |
| mece | What DocScrutinizer said | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a foss reimpl of closed stock contacts? | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ArkanoiD-: anyway :-D http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/arkanoid-wav/ | 15:48 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I too was surprised at that | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/112633/ <- about mediaplayer dbus interface | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | those are the ones mafw provides, anyway, I don't need to know what it provides, I need to provide them myself | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, but for whom? If nobody knows about that new thing | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it more useful to replicate the existing interfaces, rather than create completely new ones? | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | that's what I want to do | 15:51 |
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| MohammadAG | well, trying to do | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI (with my fairly limited understanding of dbus) this pastebin gives a clue about existing interfaces (and methods if you continue to tab expand) of stock mediaplayer | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdbus2 using introspection to list all the exposed nterfaces | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course there *could* be one that's not exposed (i.e. does not support introspection), but seems the direct dbus-send calls to the interface you specified in that sourcecode failed as well | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | though dbus-send's error message about "data not correctly formated" or sth isn't really to the point | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I verified it seems to always spit out that shit if interface name is unknown | 15:55 |
| dangergrrl | sipgate.net is sip only? it has no website | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:55 |
| dangergrrl | my sip # is via sipgate.com | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, .de .at and prolly also .com all the same | 15:56 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, those are mafw's | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, missed .co.uk | 15:56 |
| dangergrrl | will sipgate give me a number in another country? | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | the stock player only provides a few, one to open URIs, and another to open the now playing window | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt. At least no geographical one | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | in .de you need to provide proper addr and further data which will get checked, to get a geo-# | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | some stupid law afaik | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | there's also something weird I can't figure out | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | how to detect if we're in the task manager | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | the stock player can do that | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | in uk it's been different for some time, then they changed laws and now are worse than .de | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | well, since PR1.2 anyway, PR1.1.1's player lacked it | 15:59 |
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| E0x | morning | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 16:00 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 16:00 |
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| dangergrrl | and you have to be able to recieve a SMS in the country you want a number for | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, not afaik | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would I receive SMS without a mobile phone? | 16:01 |
| dangergrrl | they insisted on sending a SMS to one of a list of us carriers | 16:01 |
| dangergrrl | my last carrier before i got the n900 wasn't on their list | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | only if you want to *send* SMS via sipgate, with your mobile number as sender ID | 16:01 |
| E0x | N0 that is a not funny april fool day joke | 16:01 |
| E0x | :( | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: that can be different in US though | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea what they do over there to verify you're actually a US resident. Maybe sending an SMS is the only way :-D | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: eh? | 16:03 |
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| dangergrrl | 3578: notifications@sipgate.com / Your invitation code PIN is #### / Your invitation code PIN is #### | 16:03 |
| dangergrrl | they sent me that | 16:03 |
| dangergrrl | so this morning in usa at least they require a cell phone | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | No idea what's an invitation code PIN | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I registered with sipgate.de some 5 years ago | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | things might have changed a lot since | 16:05 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: maemo.org front page | 16:05 |
| dangergrrl | though they accept some prepay disposable ones | 16:05 |
| ruskie | I thought quite a few countries already have a "prepay needs to be registered to a valid individual" type laws | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG, this thing again | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E0x: I agree, that's not any funny | 16:07 |
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| ruskie | do not want nvida | 16:07 |
| * SpeedEvil thumbs. | 16:08 | |
| E0x | ruskie: +1 | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | even really badly done, as the friggin picture gets cropped right side on a 1280*800 screen | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's because the virtual desktop is scrolling. | 16:09 |
| E0x | hmm but i like that icons set they use in that render | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | I see, I need a xml file with all dbus interfaces http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/QtDbus_quick_tutorial | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: haha | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | Poor wazd | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | Is Firefox 4 for Maemo better than I remember? | 16:11 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: what I do not like with sipgate is that I don't have a proper sip address to call me... | 16:11 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that is for .de only afaik | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you do | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, sorta | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sip:<yournumber_without+>æsipgate.net | 16:12 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sip calls from outside "trusted" networks is not permitted | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | last time I tested | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, sure they may have set up a rather restrictive firewall to stop phone-spamming their customers | 16:14 |
| chem|st | last time i checked was 4 years ago... | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a direct call to this sip-addr from sipphone.com at least worked. Maybe that'S one of their partner networks | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | this been like last week | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I checked via direct-IP2IP SIP (unregistered SIP UA, from a dyndns-domain) some 4..5 years ago, and that worked back when | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now thinking about it I consider it a security issue, regarding unsolicited mass callings | 16:18 |
| E0x | GAN900: very slow for use it everyday in my opinion | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I hate is MWI indication stopped working here | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I have to fix my config for that | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw regarding that N0 thing: judging by the kbd it must be near to original size on a laptop screen | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe they ship it with two metal fingerpick rings like you know for playing guitar | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can press a single key | 16:27 |
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| chem|st | OT: does SIP calling w/o sipaccount work now? | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, with the proper UA (i.e. twinklephone ;-D) | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | called direct IP2IP | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the UA directly resolves the domain part of the address and sends the INVITE there instead to SIP server | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's basically all | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can call me at SIP:joerg@<myDYNDNS> any time | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously needs pinhole for port 5060 in your NAT & FW | 16:32 |
| dangergrrl | is sip encrypted at all? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZRTP is | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | visit twinklephone.com for some details | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's also a local proxy to crypt RTP to ZRTP for arbitrary UAs | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's kinda clumsy to set up and handle, obviously | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (missing integration into UA GUI) | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway ZRTP is transparent and works with any SIP RTP connection | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you start a norma unencrypted call, and ZRTP transparently negotiates encryption via RTP channel, if both sides support it | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after a few seconds you can switch to crypted mode | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | via a gui that the 'daemon' has to open up | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if ZRTP isn't integrated into UA like it's done in twinkle | 16:38 |
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| dangergrrl | so empathy/telepathy won't do that? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MitM attacks are spotted by you reading a fingerprint to your peer from that ZRTP popup display, far end compares for same fingerprint | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik telepathy doesn't support ZRTP | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but of course you can run TP thru that ZRTP local proxy | 16:40 |
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| ArkanoiD- | does not | 16:41 |
| ArkanoiD- | zrtp has srtp signaling inband, so it is mostly gstreamer issue, as it happens inside rtp, not sip | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but only changes the subsystem you had to patch to bring native ZRTP to e.g N900 | 16:44 |
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| chem|st | what does the cssu features button do in my powermenu? | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably gstreamer also doesn't support ZRTP ootb | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | grr, still getting http://pastebin.com/rWYQU9XA | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.twinklephone.com/ >>Secure voice communication by ZRTP/SRTP<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Real-time_Transport_Protocol | 16:46 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jobs/uslocations/mountain-view meh! | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | well, apparently you can do that job in some other obscure locations around the world | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested in coding googles autocompletion shit. Didn't know they had to finish it yet | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | you're not funny person | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | read responsibilities on that page | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | As a Google Autocompleter, you’ll be expected to successfully guess a user’s intention as he or she starts typing instantly. In a fraction of a second, you’ll need to type in your prediction that will be added to the list of suggestions given by Google. Don’t worry, after a few million predictions you’ll grow the required reflexes. | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I never really got the concept of wasting my Apr-1 daytime with making others wasting theirs on some pranks | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so yes, I'm not a funny person | 17:04 |
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| jigrap | anyone knows why the scrolling on the n900 is not as smooth as the iphone? | 17:10 |
| Robot101 | jigrap: quality of PowerVR SGX drivers | 17:14 |
| Robot101 | jigrap: they're much better than the normal ones that Imagination provide for Linux, but not as good as Apple's | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: BS | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | powervr is a lot faster than iphone graphic chip | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | it's bandwidth between omap and lcd | 17:15 |
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| Robot101 | well, there is tearing caused just on the SGX | 17:15 |
| Robot101 | sometimes | 17:15 |
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| jacekowski | but powervr itself is like 2-3x faster than apple chip | 17:15 |
| Robot101 | the drivers don't have buffer flipping in the N900 release | 17:15 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: it's LCD bandwidth problem | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | so updating any composited window always results in a memcpy | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | it's several problems - this is definitely one of them | 17:16 |
| Robot101 | I know because Collabora worked both on the 3D drivers and on hildon-desktop... | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | and besides, powervr isn't used when you don't do 3d | 17:16 |
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| jacekowski | and he has problem on 2d | 17:16 |
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| Robot101 | yes it is, the entire desktop is composited at all times unless the app is full-screen and explicitly disables composition | 17:17 |
| Robot101 | Gtk+ does some silly stuff which doesn't help either, but it depends on the app in this case | 17:17 |
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| Robot101 | anyway, I don't care to argue with you about what is true or not, it's a waste of my life - take care! | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | take a look at tvout | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | everything is smooth there | 17:17 |
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| jigrap | Robot101: is there something I can do to improve it? | 17:25 |
| jigrap | its mostly the scrolling | 17:25 |
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| jacekowski | nothing | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | improve stuff so it requires less bandwidth | 17:26 |
| jigrap | the browser scrolling and the mail client really lack, I just wondered if someone had a better driver for it thats not part of the release | 17:27 |
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| jacekowski | jigrap: use opera | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | jigrap: it's much smoother | 17:27 |
| jigrap | I'll give it a try | 17:27 |
| jigrap | thx | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | but scrolling problem there is because microb is just slow | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | and modest isn't fastest mail client as well | 17:28 |
| ruskie | probably slowest | 17:28 |
| jigrap | ahh | 17:29 |
| jigrap | you're right with opera its a lot smoother | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: chem|st: http://zfoneproject.com/prod_zfone.html | 17:29 |
| jigrap | is there a faster mail client too? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo Robot101 | 17:29 |
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| jigrap | wonder if I can change the default browser to opera | 17:34 |
| psycho_oreos | you probably could with the browser switchboard and then specifying the custom browser, the full path of opera binary | 17:35 |
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| ArGGu^^ | Does someone know is it okay use the default ringtones with own application? | 17:38 |
| ArGGu^^ | or does that violate license or something+ | 17:39 |
| ArGGu^^ | *? | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're just playing them, there can't be a problem. | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're copying them to another platform, expensive. | 17:39 |
| ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil ok I using them as default alerts sound in my irc client | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | not allowed. | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | but simply playing - there won't be a problem. | 17:40 |
| ArGGu^^ | it just plays them | 17:40 |
| ArGGu^^ | finally my IRC client is starting to be ready :) | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | What does it do that xcaht doesn't. | 17:41 |
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| * SpeedEvil is happy - mostly - with xchat. | 17:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | (lack of main window scroll is a bit annoying) | 17:42 |
| ArGGu^^ | But I'm in bit of hurry. I have deadline today :S | 17:42 |
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| ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil I will make website and video to youtube of it I will paste url when I get them done | 17:43 |
| ArGGu^^ | I have deadline for it beacause I use it as projectwork in my qt course | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats anyway. | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | More competition is always good. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (lack of main window scrolling) I mapped that to up/down and am happy with that | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I prefer this to any ts-based scrolling | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I basically swapped the shift-up/down which formerly been scroll, and the textinput history up/down | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not exactly sure it's already in there: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now it is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/keybindings.conf | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just a way to speed up scrolling or even jump-to-end missing | 17:58 |
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| jigrap | any applets that show the battery percentage and time left on the n900? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | changing the +/-1 parameter to sth higher didn't work | 17:59 |
| jigrap | got one | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jigrap: I think a lot. Though all of them are suspicious to be battery hogs themselves | 18:00 |
| jigrap | oh | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's one though that for sure isn't: a queenbeecon button calling bq27200.sh | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (of course you could as well call lshal|grep battery-percentage, but it's less accurate usually) | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | gotta love the time and effort people put in april fools jokes | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | Microsoft has ceased development of the Windows operating system and will be releasing its own Linux distribution, the company revealed in an SEC filing yesterday. | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my april fools joke for today: | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, I wonder if that's a filter | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | my april fools joke for today: | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | heh, nvm | 18:04 |
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| E0x | n900 have NFC support ? | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, no? | 18:08 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: yo | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither near field communication nor no friggin clue support | 18:09 |
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| E0x | heh | 18:09 |
| E0x | ok | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | There's like /one/ nokia phone with Near Field Communication | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | a 6xxx something | 18:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | btw. Is 500 good scrollback line count? | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends | 18:11 |
| ArGGu^^ | the client does not yet have option to set it. But I'm going to add it sometime. But now I do not have time :S | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | for my shells I like to have 2000 | 18:12 |
| ArGGu^^ | yeah but in irc? | 18:12 |
| E0x | same here | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly fine | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got chanlog | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | has NFC even taken off? | 18:13 |
| Macer | so.. is there a way to run maemo on my g2? | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here | 18:13 |
| * Macer hides | 18:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heard in Japan it did | 18:13 |
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| ArGGu^^ | NFC? | 18:13 |
| * ShadowJK has 4096 | 18:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nfc | 18:13 |
| infobot | i heard nfc is No Fucking Clue | 18:14 |
| Macer | wtf is nfc? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf nfc | 18:14 |
| infobot | NFC: no fucking clue | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | near field communication | 18:14 |
| Macer | like... uhf radio? | 18:14 |
| ArGGu^^ | ok | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda | 18:14 |
| E0x | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Near_field_communication | 18:14 |
| Macer | so it is a walkie talkie built into your phone | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually lower freq | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | like 14Mhz, or even kHz range | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: more like a invisible barcode | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | readout range from 5cm to max 2m | 18:15 |
| Macer | isnt 14mhz hf? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MHz is | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mHz not | 18:16 |
| Macer | at least you can get some bounce | 18:16 |
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| Macer | i meant MHz | 18:16 |
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| Macer | didnt feel like caps | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not U*HF | 18:17 |
| Macer | of course | 18:17 |
| Macer | hf is probably better anyways | 18:17 |
| Macer | but i am sure it sounds like shit | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RF | 18:18 |
| Macer | hf will atmo bounce | 18:18 |
| Macer | might have a better chance of making it out alive from the side of a mountain ditch | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC is for tickets, ID cards etc | 18:18 |
| Macer | oh | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | like barcode, but without light | 18:19 |
| Macer | so it is just an e-me? | 18:19 |
| Macer | i thought it was a radio xmitter | 18:19 |
| Macer | heh | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It is. | 18:20 |
| Macer | so it is just bt with your information floating around on it | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | But very, very short range. | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but *very* weak | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | as in under 30cm | 18:20 |
| Macer | that is lame haha | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really not. | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's intentional | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Consider being able to pay for stuff by waving your phone at it. | 18:20 |
| Macer | maybe if it was a card | 18:20 |
| Macer | with an off switch | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it usually is | 18:20 |
| Macer | i wouldnt want that shit on my phone tho | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Done right, it's a bit pointless TBH on a smartphone. | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | As it can display a QR code. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:21 |
| Macer | people lose phones a lot easier than a wallet | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | wtf is with the N900 | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | it went to 6:20 AM of 2 April | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, a phone has added benefit of a kbd to enter passphrase etc | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's maemo's april's fool | 18:22 |
| Macer | hah | 18:24 |
| Macer | my n900 is on top of my fridge beginning its dust collecting | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 18:24 |
| Macer | got a g2 | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the poor dust | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Ah. | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 18:25 |
| Macer | figured getting a g2 would take 5 less years than waiting on meego or nitdroid to be fully functional on the n900 | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Going to be ebaying the n900? | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | Hey, we might get an N950 sometime this year! | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you want andridiot then why you bought a N900? | 18:26 |
| Macer | because i wanted maemo | 18:26 |
| Macer | poor ruined maemo | 18:26 |
| ShadowJK | maemo works better on n900 than g2 :P | 18:26 |
| Macer | well.. the existing maemo still has some life.. but it is the end of maemo i am sure | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, did they actually say 2011? | 18:27 |
| Macer | haha | 18:27 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: sorry.. i wanted a supported maemo | 18:27 |
| Macer | poor abandoned orphan maemo | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't care less about N950foo | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG | I could | 18:27 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, "later this year" is what I keep hearing. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, let's bet on type of touchscreen | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | I'll start a project which is similar to Mer, but backwards | 18:28 |
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| GAN900 | If it's not 2011, well, they might as well not bother. | 18:28 |
| Macer | they are releasing an n950? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | as much of Fremantle as we can get on the N950! | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait *remembers cordia* | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, yes | 18:28 |
| Macer | i will wait until they abandon it and buy one for $50 later | 18:29 |
| Macer | i stuck with them with the n8x0 and n900 but they lost me with the n900 | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sounds like a plan - get rid of all that presumed maego/harmattan crap | 18:29 |
| Macer | they need to fire the entire nokia board | 18:29 |
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| Macer | in a way i feel kind of sorry for sts.. he is a good guy and works so hard on something i honestly dont think will see the light of day | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | and hire me? :P | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh you're not yet? | 18:31 |
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| Macer | i mean.. it would be awesome if it all worked out.... but... :) | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, capacitive for sure. | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's an uphill battle, against blobs like bme and dialer, crap like sensorfw and now even qtmob actively sabotaging a proper power management | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, who wants resistive, it's accurate and can be used with precise styli | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I want memristive display. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | .o0(???) | 18:34 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: that it is | 18:34 |
| Macer | i think he should have just backported to maemo | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't want much nifty stuff, a simple nice stantum r-ts is all it needs to make me happy | 18:35 |
| Macer | really all maemo needs is an updated ui | 18:35 |
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| nid0 | and loads of other things | 18:35 |
| Macer | i mean i am sure other things could use some work | 18:35 |
| Macer | but outright abandonment sucks | 18:36 |
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| Macer | but meego is in the hands of the industrys top businesses | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: keep your finger off my beloved hildon UI! | 18:36 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: hah | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | grab you g2, pet it and shutup ;-D | 18:37 |
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| Macer | haha.. dont need to... it pets me | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wooooooh | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | does your GF know of that? | 18:38 |
| Macer | say what you want about android... it works | 18:38 |
| Macer | all it needs is a gnu env | 18:39 |
| Macer | with bash and apt | 18:39 |
| Macer | :) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a kernel that doesn't suck donkey balls | 18:39 |
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| Macer | haha | 18:39 |
| Macer | it lets the hw work | 18:39 |
| Macer | what more do you need on a phone? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but only the hw | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sw evidently doesn't work when focus lost | 18:40 |
| Macer | you want to route on it or something? | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | I'd appreciate an open bootloader device without an OS from Nokia | 18:40 |
| Macer | or add in mwave support | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Macer, no, no it doesn't. | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: with a proper BSP yes, exactly what I've hoped Nokia would do with meego | 18:41 |
| Macer | i dont understand what other kernel features you are looking for on a phone :) | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | Android is painful and frustrating in ways Maemo can only aspire to. | 18:41 |
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| Macer | GAN900: ive heard.. but you can get the dalvik ide for free heh | 18:42 |
| Macer | i just wish it had a gnu env | 18:42 |
| Macer | like the n900 | 18:42 |
| GAN900 | I want Maemo, with more support and less fail. | 18:42 |
| GAN900 | That would be perfect for me. | 18:42 |
| Macer | me too but that isnt realistic | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | Android and iOS aren't reasonable substitutes. | 18:43 |
| Macer | android is here to stay | 18:43 |
| Macer | maemo is not | 18:43 |
| Macer | nokias fault for sure | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | but unlike other manufacturers of small computer boards, nokia seems never heard about such things like board support package | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | <Macer> android is here to stay <-- good luck with that | 18:43 |
| Macer | chickens with their heads cut off | 18:44 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: hahaha | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead they thought they need to sell software now, rather than hardware. This killed them | 18:44 |
| Macer | compare android phone sales vs all maemo devices | 18:44 |
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| Macer | i bet even the g1 alone outsold all maemo devices | 18:45 |
| Macer | good marketing and cosistent google support | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | sure, android pwned maemo | 18:45 |
| Macer | things nokia lacked while sitting on their mountain | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | but the media and marketing can do whatever it wants to a certain thing | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | Android 3.0 being closed source might actually reduce sails | 18:45 |
| Macer | and the media and marketing love android | 18:46 |
| Macer | doubtful | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not saying Maemo's any better btw | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | might reduce sails? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye peeps | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | sales* | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, nazi | 18:46 |
| Macer | heh | 18:46 |
| Macer | ios is closed | 18:47 |
| Macer | it seems to do pretty well | 18:47 |
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| MohammadAG | marketing | 18:47 |
| Macer | you dont think google can market? | 18:47 |
| psycho_oreos | windows phone 7 isn't open either and they aren't doing too well | 18:47 |
| nid0 | google have been marketing android as open for several years | 18:47 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: better than maemo still im sure | 18:48 |
| nid0 | suddenly losing the one major marketing hype factor android has over ios = makes marketing that point akward | 18:48 |
| nid0 | not that itll stop them | 18:48 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, or are you here to troll for your hatred towards maemo community like the rest of those who went to android realm? | 18:48 |
| Macer | nid0: joe user could care less about their phone os being open | 18:49 |
| Macer | lol. nooooo. | 18:49 |
| nid0 | Macer: no, but joe user does like to *think* it's open. | 18:49 |
| Macer | i love maemo.. and of course am angry at such horrible nokia decisions | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | Macer, yes, but iOS doesn't tell you it's something it's not going in. | 18:49 |
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| Macer | especially after paying money for maemo devices to see them abandoned over and over | 18:50 |
| Macer | nid0: only if their friend shows them a super awesome app that requires hackery | 18:50 |
| Macer | other than that.. they discuss how they are downloading awesome ringtones for free from some website | 18:51 |
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| Macer | who knows tho. maybe nokidiot inc will wide open the n900 once it is totally obsolete | 18:52 |
| Macer | and eliminate roadblocks in dev and then they will see a 6 year old phone doing things they never imagined when they had a chance to do it before they went bankrupt or were bought by htc | 18:53 |
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| E0x | Macer: that will never happen | 18:55 |
| Macer | anyways.... heh | 18:55 |
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| nid0 | god I hate yahoo. :< | 18:58 |
| nid0 | and BT for using yahoo. | 18:58 |
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| edheldil | Hi, guys, does n900 still lack SimToolkit? | 19:04 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 19:04 |
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| edheldil | is there any known reason? Even palm treo has it :( | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | EveIt wasn't in the specs. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And STK doesn't in many ways work well with the fundamental assumptions. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, STK applications should be able to demand low level access to the display and keyboard. | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | This means odd things on a smartphone, when it's assuming it's a dumbphone. | 19:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyway - it can only be fixed at the modem firmware level. | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | So it's not possible for 'us' to fix. | 19:12 |
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| edheldil | That sounds pretty bad :( | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - all it means is that you're vanishingly unlikely to get STK stuff working. | 19:16 |
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| GAN900 | New Yorkers . . . living there must be hell on Earth. | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, did you feel an earthquake 2 hours ago? | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | cause I didn't | 19:18 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG i was sleeping | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/ | 19:29 |
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| trip0 | SpeedEvil, that is quite awesome | 19:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it just two graphics overlaid, moved WRT each otehr? | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I should investigate - but meh. | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | killer on microb | 19:38 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, click the See here for more at the top and you'll see what they are | 19:49 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | good afternoon | 19:59 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | is there any bug or incompability with wpa2 (psk) | 20:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ? | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | I'm using wpa2 just fine | 20:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | n900 seems not to be finding my AP | 20:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | wrt54g | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | What channel is it on? | 20:01 |
| o0-Dan-0o | have to check that settings done way back | 20:02 |
| o0-Dan-0o | XD | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | so like, this is the second day this week my alarm failed to ring | 20:02 |
| o0-Dan-0o | is it a radio freq. problem?! | 20:03 |
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| Sazpaimon | i set 3 alarms last night, one for 6:45, one for 7:20, and one for 8:30 | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i wake up myself at 7:30, and the phone didn't ring at all | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i unlock it, and it shows the 6:45 alarm and THEN starts ringing | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 20:04 |
| o0-Dan-0o | channel 13 | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | Do you have a sim card? | 20:04 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i remember now i've changed it a few years ago one of my pc's was acting crazy | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | Without a sim card with country code of a country wehre channel 13 is permitted wouldn't work | 20:06 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, I need to include some upstream Qt fixes in the CSSU, question is, should I include Qt 4.7.2? | 20:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | wow | 20:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ShadowJK, | 20:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | :D | 20:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | yeah not using sim | 20:06 |
| o0-Dan-0o | got the phone yesterday | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast that's what I've discovered :P | 20:07 |
| ShadowJK | with my spare N900 | 20:07 |
| o0-Dan-0o | just setting and trying stuff | 20:07 |
| o0-Dan-0o | =) thanks | 20:07 |
| * ShadowJK has a WRT54GL | 20:07 | |
| ShadowJK | too | 20:07 |
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| nid0 | just bumping the ap down to channel 11 should take care of that | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | o0-Dan-0o: check out notmynokia prior to inserting any SIM | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and I thought the allowed wifi freq were set in CAL | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | gonne check eventually | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah no idea about that, but my spare, repair/refurb N900, that to my knowledge has never seen a SIM card, doesn't see my channel 13 AP | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | Also my N900 that didn't go via Nokia Care didn't see 13AP until I inserted Sim card :P | 20:11 |
| o0-Dan-0o | ermmm i was about to put the sim | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: You got a serial adaptor for the n900 diddn't you? | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | less -f /dev/mtd2 | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Can you flash - the main OS through it? | 20:11 |
| o0-Dan-0o | notmynokia? | 20:11 |
| jacekowski | serial adaptor? | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or am I confused. | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | no | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | i have flashing jig | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | but just that without anything else | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh. | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12741_Noka_publish_Symbian_source_co.php | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | is that an April's Fool joke? | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | Sc0rpius: no | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's old | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | err mtd1 | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | Sc0rpius: that's very old news | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | Sc0rpius: like 2-3 years old | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | why don't they do it with Maemo? | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | haha it says March 31st, 2011. | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | Sc0rpius, actually for Symbian too they rewrote the lot before publishing it | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | kinda like MeeGo I guess | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | And you don't get any hw specific bits, I'm sure | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I guess... | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and well, i believe it can be flashed that way | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i mean, it's standard omap thing to boot from serial | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but that jig i have is useless without base flasher for it | 20:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: But you'd need additional software to actually do it. | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: not so much | 20:14 |
| Macer | blah | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: serial boot is in omap boot rom | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: same thing as beagleboard | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - additional PC software | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you just need hyper terminal | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not going to take the maemo images over xmodem. | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | no | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | there is size limit for boot rom | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | iirc it's coule kbytes | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | and it's not flashing it it's just booting it | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | same stuff as coldflash over usb | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | you boot phone via usb/serial with flashing firmware and then send image to flash | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | but hardware is fully capable of that | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant you're going to need custom software if you want to actually flash over serial. | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | yeah, nolo can't do it | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | nolo is usb only i believe | 20:17 |
| o0-Dan-0o | so ovimaps will generate data transfering which is not cool =/ i've red about sygic | 20:18 |
| o0-Dan-0o | anybody tryed ? | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: you can download maps for offline use in ovi maps | 20:20 |
| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: and sygic is poor | 20:20 |
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| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: nowhere close to tomtom | 20:20 |
| o0-Dan-0o | yeah but no tomtom on maemo right | 20:22 |
| o0-Dan-0o | i used ndrive which i really enjoy | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: uBoot might work | 20:23 |
| o0-Dan-0o | also not available on maemo | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Sure - but it won't be able to 'normally' flash images. | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the fiasco ones | 20:23 |
| o0-Dan-0o | jacekowski, so what you're saying is ovimaps ftw | 20:23 |
| o0-Dan-0o | on maemo | 20:23 |
| o0-Dan-0o | yeah? | 20:23 |
| jacekowski | no | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | i'm saying ovimaps suck the least | 20:24 |
| o0-Dan-0o | lolol | 20:24 |
| o0-Dan-0o | :s | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: no support for onenand on n900 and uboot i believe | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I gather you gave up on fixing the usb receptacle? | 20:24 |
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| jacekowski | don't know why | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | but apparently it doesn't work | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Dibblah's phone actually. not given up, just it's not seeing vbus. | 20:25 |
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| o0-Dan-0o | best gps solution for n900 in your opinion? | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | o0-Dan-0o: buy external tomtom | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you need vbus for flashing? | 20:27 |
| o0-Dan-0o | (for n900) | 20:27 |
| o0-Dan-0o | XD | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | o0-Dan-0o: mappero | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Well - if it's not picking up the vbus, it's not going to go into flashing mode is it? | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | i think that can be worked around with modified nolo | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | interesting question | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | if you can flash modified nolo | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but yeah. seems you're right | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't force it into flashing mode by holding 'u' without cable plugged iirc | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | it will just wait there until it detects host | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | and host detection is done using vbus and data lines after that | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :od: | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: even | 20:32 |
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| GAN900 | Who provides licensed material on Bluray? | 21:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Disney? | 21:22 |
| mva | http://seclists.org/nanog/2011/Mar/1022 | 21:22 |
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| ZogG | mva wait what? | 21:24 |
| ZogG | mva, are you the one from gentoo-ru? | 21:24 |
| mva | yep | 21:24 |
| mva | it;s irc, bro | 21:24 |
| mva | *it's | 21:24 |
| ZogG | =) | 21:24 |
| ZogG | so do you set gentoo on n900 already? | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:25 |
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| ZogG | did* | 21:25 |
| mva | yep | 21:25 |
| mva | in chroot | 21:25 |
| ZogG | have you* even | 21:25 |
| mva | ;) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | and LOL @ real name | 21:25 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, & | 21:25 |
| ZogG | ? | 21:25 |
| ZogG | damn i miss keys | 21:25 |
| ZogG | i'm stupid | 21:25 |
| * ZogG punches MohammadAG | 21:25 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, why am i so stupid? | 21:26 |
| mva | MohammadAG: which of? mine? ;) | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 21:26 |
| mva | ;)) | 21:26 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, will you be here at night today? | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, repeat the question and look in a mirror | 21:26 |
| ArGGu^^ | anyone know should add depencies to libqt4 packages or libqt4-maemo5? | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, umm, maybe? :P | 21:26 |
| ArGGu^^ | what is the difference? | 21:26 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i want date with you | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | don't add dependencies manually | 21:26 |
| ZogG | i mean i need you to help me figure out somethings | 21:26 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG well how then? | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} | 21:27 |
| ZogG | ArGGu^^ you have sot of makefile when you do deb with all configs | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | make sure you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules | 21:27 |
| ArGGu^^ | what the ${shlibs:Depends} means? | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | somewhere before dh_gencontrol | 21:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | the qtcreator add ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} | 21:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | It did all the file automatically | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | dh_shlibdeps creates a list of dependencies | 21:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | are there enough? | 21:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | hmm ok | 21:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | but can I add depencies manually? | 21:29 |
| ArGGu^^ | osso-sounds-rtc, maemo-ringtones-mr0 | 21:29 |
| ZogG | ArGGu^^ why would you want that? | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | , after it | 21:29 |
| ArGGu^^ | I would add there just because I use sounds from them | 21:29 |
| ArGGu^^ | *these | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, http://pastebin.com/ur7Qm4QJ | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | basically, anything you've linked to will be included | 21:31 |
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| iluminator101 | how do i change the alarm sound on my n900 the sound is weak its just not waking me up | 21:33 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG if I open from the deb file the control file it should have depends? | 21:33 |
| ArGGu^^ | I opened it and it does not have them :S | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | do you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules? | 21:34 |
| ArGGu^^ | but I deb package is generated with qtcreator | 21:34 |
| ArGGu^^ | hmm | 21:34 |
| ArGGu^^ | wait I check | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | I think Qt Creator has some stuff commented out | 21:34 |
| ArGGu^^ | it was commented | 21:34 |
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| ArGGu^^ | it give me error file not found :S | 21:40 |
| ArGGu^^ | maybe I need do it in scratchbox | 21:40 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG do you know if anything else needs to be uncommented http://pastebin.com/avhMaHLx? | 21:47 |
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| jigrap | is there some guide that tells you how to transfer contacts/pictures and music from your iphone(itunes)? | 22:01 |
| jigrap | to the n900 | 22:01 |
| jigrap | i think for the contacts i can just import the windows contacts from vcf | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check settings | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm sorry, you said alarm sound? like clock-alarm? clock menu: alarm settings | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jigrap: importing vcf should be easy | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pictures and music you will simply need to copy the files to proper locations on N900 (particularly [/home/user/MyDocs|N900]/.documents|Documents and /.images|Picturs and DCIM|Camera | 22:16 |
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| MohammadAG | writing to sysfs shouldn't cause load on IO right? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, this mess isn't my idea. But I think you're kinda used to it when you are familiar with apple's products and/or Windows | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | sysfs is virtual after all | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: first approach: yes | 22:19 |
| khertan | Hello ! | 22:19 |
| ZogG | khertan, qould you be here later? i would add you to main jabber and work one as there i have proxy =( | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: of course writing into a sysfs node can cause IO in consequence | 22:19 |
| khertan | ZogG: unfortunatly i could be here for few minutes only | 22:19 |
| ZogG | than next time | 22:20 |
| ZogG | going to work now and i'll be here after our or something | 22:20 |
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| khertan | going to go to viet vo dao training | 22:21 |
| khertan | :) | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, say 50 times a second | 22:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer says "50 times a second" | 22:22 | |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second" | 22:22 |
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| khertan | what s the game try to go everyone saying : DocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second" in less than a second ? | 22:22 |
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| khertan | :) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFI | 22:23 |
| khertan | The most important foolapril joke on French IT Blob is that Nokia is abandonning WinPhon7 for MeeGo ... | 22:24 |
| khertan | pfff that s not funny | 22:24 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG do not know what black magic happend, but some reason it just worked now :) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anyway, your question suggests it's the wrong question after all | 22:26 |
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| GAN900 | OK, I five up on Firefox | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | slow, slow slow | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | IO is defined as ... well.. CPU talking to peripherals other than RAM | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually these transfers are treated and metered separately as they are typically way slower than RAM access, and often CPU has to wait for data transfer to complete, which usually is done via (once again) IRQ signalling the IO hw has finished the job. So CPU can do other thing in the meantime. | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Asking if writing to a special location is causing IO usually doesn't make much sense, unless you are planning to write huge amounts of data, where IO bandwidth starts to slow down your app on IOwait | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | writing *anywhere* 50/s is for sure not a sane thing anyway | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter if it's causing IO or not | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least on a system supposed to idle 99.9% of time | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might do that *only* if you know the system is definitely 100% active anyway, and you need tight control over something that has no better way to handle it, like e.g. a LED you want to make flash in fancy ways (buzzword CIR) | 22:35 |
| E0x | computer science class ? | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: If you think my monologue qualifies for a lesson... | 22:35 |
| E0x | every word have some meaning , is up to you which one .... | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mohe.g. writing to lp5523/*/brighness actually does cause IO, though the not so classical meaning of IO. It's transfering data over I2C to the lp5523 chip. You can do this occasionally for a few seconds, but not on a regular basis, like 50% of the time | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, he's gone | 22:46 |
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| phap | lalala... | 23:06 |
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| jigrap | any idea of what I can do when I run out of space in the rootfs of the n900? I'm trying to install a custom package that I built and it needs more space | 23:10 |
| jigrap | should I remount /usr/bin somewhere else? | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | That will make it bootloop on startup. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Configure your app to install somewhere else. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Or use symlinks to make it not really install on the root | 23:14 |
| jigrap | gotcha | 23:15 |
| jigrap | I'll change /opt/rovio | 23:15 |
| jigrap | thats where it seems to install stuff | 23:15 |
| jigrap | I mean /opt | 23:15 |
| jigrap | oops | 23:15 |
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| markinfo | what is needed to browse filesystem from n900 on another PC connected over Bluetooth? | 23:48 |
| markinfo | this devices are already paired | 23:49 |
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| pupnik | markinfo: sshfs, nfs, samba, thttpd | 23:51 |
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| markinfo | pupnik, over Filemanager it is not possible? | 23:51 |
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