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| GAN900 | How is it that Bluetooth is so amazingly useless. | 00:40 |
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| GAN900 | It makes OS X _kernel panic_. | 00:40 |
| GAN900 | Nothing manages that anymore. | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | that's another reason why os x sucks | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | I think that's actually a reason Bluetooth sucks. | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | It's promise is completely lacking on every platform I've ever used it on. | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | works for me | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | if you are using limited gay platform like osx it's your fault | 00:42 |
| OkropNick | :) | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | I didn't realize software platforms could be homosexual. | 00:43 |
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| lolcat | Can I use dial-up internet on my phone? | 00:45 |
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| jacekowski | not on n900 | 00:46 |
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| lolcat | Why not? | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | Apart from operating system stacks being buggy, the adapters/hw itself is often extremely buggy :-) | 00:47 |
| lolcat | The N900 has the hardware to make a call IIRC. | 00:47 |
| lolcat | Yep, it does. Apparentlu that is one of its main features. | 00:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | you can install bt-dun | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | because nobody thought it'd be a priority to write code to support a modulation that fell out of use 10 years ago | 00:48 |
| lolcat | timeless_w7ip: I want to dialup with the sim inside the phone | 00:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | lolcat: as opposed to the sim sitting on your lap? | 00:49 |
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| lolcat | As opposed to a sim in some other device | 00:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | uh huh | 00:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | you think we have an xray machine hidden somewhere in the hardware? | 00:49 |
| lolcat | 'we have'? YOu are with Nokia? | 00:50 |
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| lolcat | I belive the N900 can connect to external hardware | 00:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | that's what is says on my paycheck | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | ... | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | lolcat, suddenly you're talking about something else? | 00:50 |
| lolcat | LIke say a modem or another phone | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: no support for CSD in n900 | 00:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | s/check/slip/ | 00:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, you want to dial through *another* phone? | 00:50 |
| lolcat | timeless_w7ip: No | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | I thought you meant you want to do CSD, and now it sounds more like you want to do BT DUN Client | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | he never mentioned bt | 00:51 |
| lolcat | I want the N900 to call a number, and then give me internet without any external hardware | 00:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | right | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: you can't do it | 00:51 |
| timeless_w7ip | so install bt dun | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: that's CSD | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | and maemo stack has no support for it | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | meego apparently can do it | 00:52 |
| * timeless_w7ip is terribly confused | 00:52 | |
| lolcat | Can't you just revert the sound to another program? | 00:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | why don't you just die? | 00:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | install bt dun | 00:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | if it works, great | 00:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | if not, come back and ask a clear headed question | 00:52 |
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| ShadowJK | lolcat, CSD doesn't use sound | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: it's not a sound | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: it's adata | 00:53 |
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| jacekowski | lolcat: and after you pack it in gsm codecs it and then unpack it | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | well, it won't be really a data anymore | 00:53 |
| lolcat | I can call the dialup number | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | but it won't give you anything usefull | 00:54 |
| lolcat | Because I am a person | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | it has to estabilish data connection to your carrier | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | and then carrier has a modem connected to phone line that does all analogue stuff | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | it's called CSD | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | n900 can't do CSD | 00:55 |
| lolcat | :( | 00:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | oh, you really need analog dialup as opposed to data? | 00:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | wow | 00:56 |
| lolcat | Yes | 00:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | why? | 00:56 |
| lolcat | I have 1000 minutes included in my subscription | 00:57 |
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| lolcat | Some months I dodn't feel like talking to my girlfriend for a 1000 minutes | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | Usually operators charge CSD at a much higher rate anyway, not covered by 1000 minutes | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | You'd probably struggle to get even 2400 bits/sec modulating audio onto a voice call | 00:59 |
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| Venemo | hey MohammadAG, are you here? | 04:05 |
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| pupnik | meepmeep Venemo | 04:34 |
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| Venemo | hey pupnik :) | 04:37 |
| pupnik | what motivates u today | 04:39 |
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| pupnik | i don't even recall how to start a scratchbox session | 04:41 |
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| nox- | http://qikr.co/bxzg8 | 04:48 |
| pupnik | try again troll | 04:53 |
| nox- | :P | 04:53 |
| pupnik | what's up nox- ? | 04:53 |
| nox- | just smiled at that :) | 04:53 |
| nox- | and i finally committed the freebsd vdr ports today :) | 04:54 |
| pupnik | what's that link? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | oh image hosting | 04:55 |
| nox- | joke about altavista | 04:55 |
| pupnik | nice | 04:55 |
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| pupnik | i'm starting to look at grey haired people as 'normal' people | 04:55 |
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| nox- | heh | 04:55 |
| pupnik | and everyone younger is 'running around like idiots bumping into walls' | 04:55 |
| nox- | :) | 04:56 |
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| nox- | im not grey-haired (yet?) but at least im old enough to remember email/usenet without the web and before there was spam... :) | 04:58 |
| pupnik | :) | 04:59 |
| nox- | (and now my phone is more powerful than the my first home freebsd box... :) | 05:00 |
| nox- | s/the // | 05:00 |
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| pupnik | i remember once when my friend called me "you have to come over here NOW" | 05:14 |
| pupnik | i was 12 years old and i knew it was something very important... | 05:14 |
| pupnik | http://robert.hurst-ri.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cbmpet4032.jpg and that was sitting in his basement | 05:15 |
| nox- | hehe | 05:15 |
| pupnik | and as soon as i saw it, the whole room seemed different | 05:15 |
| * nox- started with a zx81 at home | 05:15 | |
| pupnik | "a COMPUTER is in the room!" | 05:15 |
| pupnik | nobody i knew had a computer in their house | 05:15 |
| nox- | (and apple ][+ at school) | 05:15 |
| pupnik | nice | 05:15 |
| nox- | so i learned both 6502 and z80 :) | 05:16 |
| pupnik | nice | 05:16 |
| nox- | hm actually i may have started with a ti58c... | 05:18 |
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| pupnik | Rock and Roll Mcdonalds! | 05:32 |
| pupnik | oh i just had a great, perverse, sick idea. Take a Commodore PET "chicklet" mini-keyboard from 1977 and wire it up to a bluetooth controller for an android PDA | 05:37 |
| nox- | hahaha | 05:40 |
| nox- | ..and run some pet emulator? :) | 05:41 |
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| kwtm | Netsplit, or just a quiet channel? | 05:59 |
| pupnik | quiet | 06:01 |
| pupnik | 5:AM CET | 06:01 |
| pupnik | good morning to you kwtm | 06:02 |
| kwtm | morning. I had a question but have answered it. Thanks for the greeting, anyway. :) | 06:03 |
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| pupnik | wow, debian's unrar is amazingly broken | 06:18 |
| pupnik | can not unrar files | 06:18 |
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| pupnik | ahh unrar-nonfree | 06:19 |
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| sid | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK | 06:26 |
| sid | pupnik: if you do not find a "default" command | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | thanks sid | 06:27 |
| pupnik | perfect sid | 06:27 |
| pupnik | wasn't the command /scratchbox/login ? | 06:28 |
| sid | pupnik: would use it in a virtualbox; it _maybe_ can break your system and add strange startup services | 06:29 |
| sid | yes if i remember right | 06:29 |
| pupnik | ls /scratchbox/ | 06:29 |
| pupnik | compilers device_tools host_shared | 06:29 |
| pupnik | strange | 06:29 |
| MohammadAG | god i feel tired | 06:30 |
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| pupnik | ok i still have a vmdk here | 06:30 |
| sid | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 06:31 |
| sid | for installation and getting it worked | 06:31 |
| pupnik | what are you working on sid? | 06:33 |
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| sid | at the moment i'm drunken ^^ | 06:34 |
| * pupnik raises a glass | 06:35 | |
| sid | .... informed about rs232 and atmega for a self build switch | 06:35 |
| sid | pupnik: you want to do something special? | 06:37 |
| pupnik | yes | 06:38 |
| sid | what are you working on sid? ||| did you mean debian? | 06:39 |
| pupnik | yea sid always sid | 06:39 |
| pupnik | i want to build a game client for maemo5 | 06:41 |
| pupnik | been working on it 4 days | 06:41 |
| sid | i am unstable :-) | 06:41 |
| sid | does it have a url; did you publish something | 06:43 |
| pupnik | walk slowly | 06:43 |
| pupnik | no i'm the only user | 06:44 |
| pupnik | requires ~25 days more work | 06:44 |
| pupnik | i'm more of a GUI guy | 06:44 |
| pupnik | code makes my head spin | 06:44 |
| pupnik | i'm happy when i'm positioning elements, renormalizing color pallettes | 06:45 |
| pupnik | pushing pixels... | 06:45 |
| sid | cannot create programs and else; if there is a good idea, there will be many individuals who will support it | 06:51 |
| pupnik | i enjoy finding those things where there are not enough supporters | 06:52 |
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| pupnik | these powerful computers are kind of an embarassment of riches | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | ubuntu is so sick, the "network connections" doesn't even show you your ip address | 07:38 |
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| sid | use a default/minimal debian installation and only install what you need | 07:41 |
| sid | or gentoo :-) | 07:41 |
| sid | ........ ip a | 07:42 |
| sid | bye; gas station for beer | 07:42 |
| sid | --> ip a will show your local addr | 07:43 |
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| pupnik | it's workin :) | 07:44 |
| sid | good morning and bye | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 07:44 |
| pupnik | cheers sid thx | 07:44 |
| pupnik | maemo@maemo-desktop:~/work$ ls unlikely_ports/ | 07:44 |
| pupnik | hahah | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn | 07:44 |
| sid | @docscruinizer | 07:44 |
| sid | damn? | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot on holiday | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | oh god, it's so wonderful now in maemo5 | 07:52 |
| pupnik | all kinds of libs i used to have to compile myself are in repository | 07:52 |
| * pupnik frolics | 07:53 | |
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| Macer | there is almost no cell coverage when you leave large cities | 08:18 |
| Macer | google nav is worthless on a real trip | 08:18 |
| Macer | i drove from chicago to washington state | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, yeah cell tower based location works suboptimal at the countryside | 08:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why we got GPS | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 08:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even if you got decent coverage that doesn't mean you may have better accuracy than a radius of 20km+ around base station | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html see the quoted first msg | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I somewhat tersely elaborated on that topic there | 08:42 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I think he meant more for downloading the map data itself | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, that too of course | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought about >>The radius of this circle may vary from a few 100 meters to a virtual maximum of 35km | 08:44 |
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| derf | I have to say Google Nav is completely useless to me, for the same reason as Macer. | 08:53 |
| derf | I am _still_ using Maemo Mapper on my N810. | 08:53 |
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| derf | And the thing is still worth its weight in gold. | 08:54 |
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| pupnik | derf: interesting! | 09:05 |
| pupnik | i tried showing people my happy n810 gps and rarely was able to | 09:05 |
| pupnik | http://qikr.co/58ydd hq2x scalers just make my eyes melt with happiness | 09:06 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:17 |
| Macer | i think i will try ovi for the rest of my trip | 09:17 |
| Macer | but ovi doesnt do the turn by turn talking | 09:17 |
| Macer | damn | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: mapero | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: marble? | 09:34 |
| derf | pupnik: I have a BT GPS. | 09:34 |
| AsiQue | morning | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you're aware of diablo AGPS-beta servers partially borked, and the fix to enter IP of a working one? | 09:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/servers/supl severs of nokia/ | 09:38 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: diablo was n8x0? | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 09:46 |
| pupnik | how did that use agps without a cell radio? | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | WLAN | 09:46 |
| pupnik | so the server uses the ISP access point for localization? | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus local 'ickle' | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'pickle' even | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I dunno what exactly they do. I guess they simply get the complete ephemeris/almanac from supl | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus accurate time | 09:48 |
| pupnik | interesting | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | then use locale or whatever to get an idea which continent we're on | 09:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway it's notorious N810 GPS been fubar without AGPS-beta, and recently the AGPS supl servers some of them broke, so depending on which one you access via load-balancing/localized-DNS, you find GPS working or fsckdup on N810 | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=884296#post884296 | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's quite a kick in the bollocks by Nokia that they simply don't care about that problem | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think my spare N810 is less than 24 months old (since purchase) so I might force them to 'fix' it (or replace the device by a working one) - there's a think called warranty here in EU | 09:59 |
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| Cor-Ai | sry wrong window | 10:29 |
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| doc|home | idiot | 10:49 |
| pupnik | what's up | 10:49 |
| Rinat | doc|home zakroi svoi gniloi rot | 10:50 |
| Rinat | pupnik~» hi dog | 10:52 |
| sid | hi? | 10:54 |
| Rinat | sid~» you stupid | 10:55 |
| sid | sorry; no comment | 10:55 |
| ZogG | Rinat i think you want kick? так что самой рот закрой | 11:00 |
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| Rinat | ZogG~» otvali pozornui chert | 11:01 |
| pupnik | arn sdl-mixer for fremantle has no ogg support | 11:03 |
| pupnik | *darn | 11:03 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer-8, i think you find a friend for yourself | 11:03 |
| ZogG | pupnik, do you really have ogg? | 11:03 |
| pupnik | this game needs it | 11:04 |
| ZogG | i like opensource and everything but i do use mp3 | 11:04 |
| pupnik | so i guess i build my own | 11:04 |
| ZogG | and now mp3 is opensource =) | 11:04 |
| ZogG | pupnik, oh you are still into this nerds game | 11:04 |
| Rinat | ZogG~» you go to my big member | 11:04 |
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| ZogG | bye | 11:05 |
| ZogG | poka | 11:05 |
| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: +b Rinat!*@* | 11:05 | |
| *** Rinat was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 11:05 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 11:05 | |
| ZogG | i feel sorry for some people | 11:05 |
| Proteous | who's the big member now! | 11:05 |
| Proteous | or something | 11:05 |
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| ZogG | Proteous, =) | 11:05 |
| Proteous | he's back so soon | 11:05 |
| pupnik | i thought not shipping with ogg support was bad enough, but not building opensource libraries with it is worse | 11:05 |
| ignat | idi naxyi | 11:05 |
| ZogG | ignat, =) | 11:05 |
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| Proteous | but that was a pretty weak ban mask | 11:06 |
| ZogG | Proteous, member in russian is the same word for penis =) | 11:06 |
| Proteous | it is in english too | 11:06 |
| Proteous | slang anyway | 11:06 |
| Proteous | in the US :P | 11:06 |
| ZogG | Proteous, i think DocScrutinizer doesn't matter to make more bans ) | 11:06 |
| * pupnik is a member of maemo.org | 11:06 | |
| ZogG | member in english is not penis | 11:06 |
| Proteous | well, doc only banned the nick, and he just rejoined as ignat | 11:07 |
| Proteous | soooo | 11:07 |
| ZogG | sooo more bans and kicks | 11:07 |
| ignat | xa xa | 11:07 |
| ZogG | it is even more interesting | 11:07 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, btw if i want vhost who do i bug? | 11:08 |
| ruskie | ZogG, how exactly is mp3 open source? | 11:08 |
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| Proteous | I suggest mode +b *!*@m90-140-6-34.cust.tele2.ru | 11:09 |
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| ruskie | I'd just do: /mode +q | 11:09 |
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| Proteous | heh | 11:09 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, not opensource but free at least | 11:10 |
| ruskie | hmm might want -b *!~ju@*.cust.tele2.ru | 11:10 |
| ZogG | it was patented for 25 years or somethinng | 11:10 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, no it's patent encrusted | 11:10 |
| ruskie | still is | 11:10 |
| Proteous | encrusted | 11:10 |
| Proteous | heh | 11:10 |
| ruskie | mp3 based products are still being seized | 11:10 |
| ZogG | i thought it was till 2010 or 2911 | 11:10 |
| ZogG | 2011* | 11:10 |
| ruskie | also ogg is better in quality | 11:10 |
| ruskie | and smaller in size | 11:11 |
| ZogG | he is PMing me =) | 11:11 |
| Proteous | ... | 11:11 |
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| Proteous | he just wants to be friends! | 11:11 |
| ruskie | /ignore never fails ;) | 11:12 |
| Proteous | he is still in the channel since doc didn't kick him after adding the ban :) | 11:12 |
| pupnik | scratchbox say i have multiple definitions of a function, but x86 desktop does not | 11:12 |
| ruskie | yeah just can't talk | 11:12 |
| Proteous | you sure? | 11:12 |
| pupnik | i check my config / make flags | 11:12 |
| ruskie | yeah iirc if you are +b you can't chat | 11:12 |
| ruskie | no matter ifit's just +q | 11:13 |
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| dm8tbr | yes and you can't come back once you're out | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | correct | 11:16 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: that patent expired many moons ago | 11:17 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, that's what i said | 11:17 |
| ruskie | The various MP3-related patents expire on dates ranging from 2007 to 2017 in the U.S. | 11:17 |
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| ruskie | so no... not all patents have expired yet | 11:18 |
| ZogG | ruskie, in soviet russia patents do expire you | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: Hetzner.de ofers vhosts | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libs/libsdl-mixer-ogg-mp3-1.2/libsdl-mixer-ogg-mp3-1.2-dev_1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3-3_armel.deb ahh | 11:20 |
| pupnik | long package name | 11:21 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i mean is there any IRC inside vhost? | 11:21 |
| ruskie | ahh you mean a cloak | 11:21 |
| ruskie | you can get an unaffiliated/ cloak | 11:21 |
| pupnik | thank you Kevin Rogovin | 11:22 |
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| ZogG | [vvv | 11:27 |
| ZogG | hmm | 11:27 |
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| ruskie | anyway most of the music I have is in flac | 11:28 |
| ZogG | ++ | 11:29 |
| * ZogG xmms2> The Jolly Boys - You Can't Always Get What You Want ["Great Expectations" 2010] | 11:29 | |
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| pupnik | boo @ not working | 11:31 |
| * ruskie hopes he'll have 50eur spare next month to finally buy a sansa clip+ | 11:31 | |
| pupnik | whatszat | 11:31 |
| ruskie | portable music player | 11:31 |
| ruskie | with a minimal screen... that can run rockbox but already supports flac out of the box as well | 11:32 |
| ZogG | ruskie what about cowon | 11:32 |
| ZogG | d2+ | 11:32 |
| ruskie | ZogG, I prefer screenless or minimal screen devices | 11:32 |
| ZogG | it is | 11:32 |
| ZogG | it is so small that screen is irrelevant | 11:33 |
| ruskie | I have an apple shuffle 2g, samsung pebble(2 of these even)... | 11:33 |
| ZogG | i have n900 | 11:33 |
| ZogG | =) | 11:33 |
| ZogG | and ipod video that i don't use anymore | 11:33 |
| ZogG | battery there is pretty dead | 11:34 |
| ruskie | and no the d2+ has a screen | 11:34 |
| ruskie | http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clip-mp3-players <-- this is the clip | 11:35 |
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| ZogG | as i heard d2+ has really good qquality soubd | 11:37 |
| ZogG | and it clip has screen as well | 11:37 |
| ruskie | yeah 3 lines of it | 11:37 |
| ruskie | I don't want a video+utility+whatever extra thing | 11:37 |
| doc|home | you can install rockbox onto those too, for better support | 11:38 |
| doc|home | iirc | 11:38 |
| ZogG | ruskie, http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/457034/amp3-vs-cowon-d2-vs-sansa-clip | 11:38 |
| ZogG | you can have rockbox on both | 11:39 |
| ruskie | but of course finding a cowon d2 is another thing | 11:40 |
| ruskie | and of course the clip+ has something that the cowon d2+ lacks... physical buttons to control it | 11:43 |
| ruskie | which is a must for me | 11:43 |
| pupnik | configure still tells me i have no ogg support but i compiled the testcode fine | 11:43 |
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| pupnik | n900 makes a nice music player when the speakers work | 11:44 |
| ruskie | it works but frankly I want to save the power for when I actually need it and not waste it on music playing | 11:45 |
| pupnik | yeah i understand | 11:45 |
| ruskie | if I don't use it for all day music playing I can get 4 days out of it... if I do it's more like 13-16 hours or so | 11:49 |
| pupnik | why would i get 'multiple definitions of...' in scratchbox but not on my host? | 11:50 |
| pupnik | ruskie: that's one reason to use a low power mp3 player btw... one that bypasses pulseaudio | 11:50 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:51 |
| ruskie | though haven't really monitored how much cpu time xmms2 is taking for me | 11:51 |
| pupnik | but i agree on the powersaving | 11:51 |
| pupnik | i would use the E71 for music+phone, except it doesn't work with my sim card (and the n900 does :P) | 11:52 |
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| pupnik | strange world | 11:52 |
| ruskie | I could use the n95... but that has issues of it's own... | 11:52 |
| ruskie | of course the clip+ isn't much better on the battery use but iirc with rockbox one can get 18h+ | 11:54 |
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| ruskie | I think it's actually better with the rockbox than with the original firmware | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 11:59 |
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| pupnik | can i ignore 'multiple definitions' error in make? | 12:08 |
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| pupnik | aha it's due to the include.h | 12:26 |
| pupnik | any .c file that includes include.h creates multiple definitions with all other files | 12:26 |
| pupnik | so the compiler barfs at the first .c file with include.h, saying all other files have redifinitions of something in that file | 12:26 |
| pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/112117/ | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: AIUI that's why you got those #ifndef foo; #define foo; at beginning of every .h | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | an age old hotfix to a stupid problem | 12:36 |
| pupnik | i think i see | 12:37 |
| pupnik | why do they write #ifndef __INCLUDE_H instead of #ifndef INCLUDE_H ? | 12:38 |
| pupnik | so that's why all function prototypes were visible in all the files | 12:39 |
| alterego | Because it looks cool | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: it's irrelevant (afaik) if it's INCLUDE_H, __INCLUDE_H, or foobarboo. It just has to be same unique string in #ifndef and next line #define | 12:44 |
| pupnik | why does it compile on x86 but not in sb? | 12:45 |
| pupnik | gcc version 4.2.1 | 12:46 |
| pupnik | and in x86 gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-10) | 12:46 |
| pupnik | i might have to redo the includes for the whole source tree | 12:49 |
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| Venemo | pupnik, can you show me that .h file? | 12:51 |
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| Venemo | pupnik, pastebin it | 12:51 |
| pupnik | yes | 12:51 |
| pupnik | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/360280/ | 12:53 |
| pupnik | Venemo: | 12:53 |
| pupnik | remember: works fine in x86 | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | what's the error? | 12:55 |
| Venemo | pupnik, looks fine. hm. | 12:55 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, he's getting multiple redefinitions error | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:56 |
| pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/112117/ | 12:56 |
| alterego | did you do a make clean before hand | 12:58 |
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| alterego | Oh, I see. | 12:58 |
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| pupnik | yeah make cleaened | 12:59 |
| pupnik | cleaned a few times just out of frustration | 12:59 |
| alterego | Why is it compiling .o? | 13:00 |
| rcg | lol | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | make reallycleanincludingthebugs | 13:00 |
| alterego | make distclean && make disinfectant? | 13:01 |
| Venemo | lol alterego | 13:01 |
| alterego | Venemo: did you see Sage's video of the MeeGo tablet ux running on the N900 | 13:03 |
| alterego | I booted it up, looks super impressive :) | 13:03 |
| Venemo | alterego, not yet, but I've seen da TMO thread about it :) | 13:03 |
| alterego | And it's all qml :D | 13:03 |
| Venemo | alterego, it looks awesome | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | I'm so failing my driving test | 13:03 |
| robbiethe1st | ? | 13:04 |
| Venemo | alterego, Sticky Notes has been downloaded 94641 times :P | 13:04 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, :( | 13:05 |
| robbiethe1st | 'cause you answered "Yea, just run that red light" on some question? | 13:05 |
| pupnik | CCLD = $(CC)$ | 13:05 |
| pupnik | LINK = $(CCLD) | 13:05 |
| pupnik | alterego: | 13:05 |
| alterego | lame | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, practical test | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | cause I didn't look in the mirror when overtaking someone | 13:06 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, _always_ look into the mirror! | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | so how do I drive? :P | 13:06 |
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| robbiethe1st | They didn't tell you your score immediately? | 13:07 |
| alterego | Heh, | 13:07 |
| alterego | robbiethe1st: his tester passed out and was taken to hospital. | 13:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Ouch | 13:08 |
| alterego | truma | 13:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Seriously? | 13:08 |
| alterego | Do I look serious? | 13:12 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't know; I can't see you | 13:13 |
| alterego | I'm as serious as a kick in the testicles. | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: you are supposed to know what is around you all the time | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: as in look into the mirrors every couple seconds | 13:15 |
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| jacekowski | and check your blind spots | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | blind spot thing was something i learned on my test | 13:16 |
| alterego | You learned that on your test? You must have had an awful teacher :P | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | i took first test without taking any lessons before | 13:24 |
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| alterego | Oh | 13:26 |
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| sid | is there a *'any hardware channel | 13:26 |
| sid | specially rs232 | 13:27 |
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| jacekowski | where? | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | on n900? | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | there is under battery | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | but it's uart | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | not rs232 | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | you have to convert it to rs232 levels | 13:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | or bt-serial | 13:30 |
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| auenfx4 | awesome, i added 2 desktop shortcuts with my ear whilst on a phone call | 13:32 |
| auenfx4 | (airport and alarmd if you were wondering) | 13:32 |
| robbiethe1st | broke the proximity sensor? | 13:34 |
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| auenfx4 | dont think so | 13:35 |
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| auenfx4 | needed to reboot to make prox to work again tho ;) | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, that gives me some ideas for this boring saturday. Finally investigate what's those frigging testpoints *really* | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | auenfx4: LOL | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: probably his ears nead some cleaning *urgently* ;-P | 13:42 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we had the discussion of prox sensor is sensible to color of your skin, some months ago :-D | 13:43 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: That reminds me. How about an app that, after say 1 minute of the screen being off(i.e. 'standby mode'), it runs powertop or the like, and if some user application's still using CPU, kill it. And when the user wakes up the device, it displays a message. | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: sounds awful | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer fixing the offending rogue app rather than put it under supervision | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Why? I, and I assume other people run into problems where occsaionally something like browserd will keep draining battery overnight | 13:45 |
| robbiethe1st | even with it not visible | 13:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean heck... -can- we even fix browserd? | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, some general sanity monitor couldn't hurt | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a similar thing been on KDE3, can't recall the name | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ohm/oom or hildon-dektop or whatever does similr thing, and asks you "XYZ doesn't react! Kill?" | 13:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, I suppose | 13:49 |
| Arkenoi | and why the hell to we need browserd at all, why not switch to some lightweight webkit browser completely | 13:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm... Out of curiosity, can we 'pause' applications on Maemo? Like lock it so it's state is frozen and no more code can be run? | 13:50 |
| robbiethe1st | hm... "kill -stop *pid*" and "kill -cont *pid*". Hey DocScrutinizer , do we have any daemon or anything that'll run a command when the screen is locked or the hold-switch is used? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure you won't like the results of kill -SIGSTOP | 13:55 |
| robbiethe1st | It seems to work on the browser; when it was stopped, it wouldn't react(though scrolling still worked, for some odd reason)... | 13:56 |
| robbiethe1st | and when I used continue, it -started- responding.. | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, you'll see major obstacles, and the whole thing won't give you what you planned it to do | 13:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm, possibly. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a fubar concept really | 13:58 |
| robbiethe1st | It might, however, be able to pause browserd and keep it from taking resources when in sleep. Which is what I really care about | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if an app is constantly eating CPU cycles, then it's either doing so for some good reason, or it's broken by design and needs proper fixing honestly | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and stopping processes doesn't mean the resources get freed, au contraire | 14:00 |
| robbiethe1st | 'resources' meaning CPU. I'd assume memory from the used process would get swapped out? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got a runaway browserd, the sigkill or sigint it | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: nah, I'm not going to discuss the plethora of ways this concept is doomed to fail at | 14:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Problem is, I've no real clue when it's working right and when it isn't. And heck, if I could somehow make it that I could leave browsers -open- without draining my battery doubley-fast... | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | just one thing: message queues | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | mutex | 14:01 |
| robbiethe1st | For browserd? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | IPC | 14:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Meh. I'll just test it, see what happens. if it works manually, I'll see about setting up an auto-launcher. | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do whatever you want, but don't get disappointed when it doesn't work or later on people shout at you for breaking their whole system | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you take a look at CPU quota, and dbus-scripting calling a killall browserd on tklock | 14:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Fair enough. Though, how would -you- fix browserd? | 14:05 |
| robbiethe1st | on.. tklock? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've not seen any need to fix it | 14:06 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh; that explains it then | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen browserd eating some 400MB of memory and never releasing it, when you kill the browser-ui via "doesn't answer! kill?" | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | but never seen browserd itself eating CPU constantly | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for this frigging swapping involved by 400MB mem alloc | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash otoh is notorious to eat CPU constantly, even while in background | 14:09 |
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| robbiethe1st | I installed the flash-blocker script; haven't had any trouble after that | 14:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Thing is, sometimes I wake up in the morning(I charge my n900 before I go to bed) and it's at like 50%, while other times it's at 80-90. | 14:12 |
| robbiethe1st | I've checked powertop on the former, and it shows browserd eating some chunk of the pie | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | browserd is needed for several systems (messaging, mail, conversations, whatnot). Prepare for other processes run away or break or whatever when stopping the associated browserd | 14:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm, that'll be interesting.. | 14:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Heck, I may want to just pause them too - considering I have it on /offline mode/, it shouldn't be doing much of /anything/ other than updating the clock. | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll run into a deadlock hell when stopping arbitrary random processes without understanding what and why they do | 14:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm. | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly that's not the right way to put things straight | 14:17 |
| robbiethe1st | The /right/ way is to have it all OSS and /fix/ it, that I know. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you think you fix one issue while in fact you introduce 7 new ones | 14:18 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: moo | 16:15 |
| RST38h | Doc: Arrre we having a meltdownnnn? =) | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | since >10day aiui | 16:16 |
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| khertan | Hello ! | 16:21 |
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| voltagex | hi, on my N900s dmesg I'm getting a large number of attempt to access beyond end of device | 16:24 |
| voltagex | for the internal memory I think - mmcblk0p1 | 16:25 |
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| cyrix | Hi, has anyone a idea how to turn on the led on the back of the n900 via ssh? (so the xterm command is what i need) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | cyrix, ? the camera torch and/or the privacy red light thing? | 17:03 |
| cyrix | lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? | 17:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | cyrix: Install 'flashlight' | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | cyrix, it is controllable by talking to the low level V4L2 api (and whatever other mechanims ontop), SpeedEvil flashlight is a UI app and not command line | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | cyrix: then oprern the shutter, dismiss the camera, open the menu by clicking on the status area, then click flashlight. | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I know | 17:07 |
| cyrix | lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 17:07 |
| cyrix | so wrong one | 17:07 |
| cyrix | I need to turn it on via ssh | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I had v4lctl somewhere that worked with the right arguments | 17:08 |
| lcuk | yes SpeedEvil it does | 17:08 |
| cyrix | So how do I talk to the api? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | with code. | 17:08 |
| * lcuk cue Samuel L Jackson quote | 17:09 | |
| cyrix | lcuk, I assumed that :) | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | cyrix: there is no real 'turn flashlight on' API | 17:09 |
| lcuk | cyrix, find the v4lctl app that SpeedEvil mentioned | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really subsumed under the camera control. | 17:09 |
| lcuk | it does have a turnflashlight on parameter | 17:09 |
| lcuk | cyrix, problem is that v4lctl is a helped app within a larger package | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Whichwill only work if nothing has /dev/video0 open - which rthe camera app will if the shutter is open. | 17:10 |
| lcuk | the larger package has to my knowledge not been full ported/made available in -devel yet | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Which reminds me I keep meaning to drill out a couple of holes in my camera shutter so it works with the flashlight when closed. | 17:11 |
| cyrix | SpeedEvil, is there a possibily to use /dev/video0 and the camera torch? | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by that? | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | There is also a app that lets you turn on/off the light, and focus while cam is on | 17:12 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, hint: just keep the shutter open | 17:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I don't want to get fingerprints on the lens. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | That is annoying. | 17:13 |
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| cyrix | I think about using a video straming app and the flash light to control a roboter remotely. The roboter reacts with light. so I need the video image to see and the light to control. Hope the concept is understandable | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | read source of lfocus | 17:13 |
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| pupnik_ | http://qikr.co/f6cwb lol @ windows error (sfw) | 18:53 |
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| mintux | I want to upgrade my N900. my question is when last version of meamo released ? and I copied everything on my phone in my computer. also the contents of /home/user my question is where is messages (conversation ) and contact folder ? | 19:56 |
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| mintux | and is it possible to change my partitions ? because I don't want fat and I preferred ext3.so when should I change my partitions ? before install new maemo or after that ? | 19:57 |
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| pupnik_ | hi mintux | 20:01 |
| mintux | pupnik_:hi dude | 20:01 |
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| pupnik_ | 1) don't know 2) don't understand 3) which partitions? | 20:01 |
| mintux | :-D perfect | 20:01 |
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| LeakyPug | hey guys.. | 20:04 |
| mintux | pupnik_: each settings and everything has a folder or directory . fore example Thunderbird has a mail directory that store mails on it.so there is a directory stored messages in conversation such as sms and IM's so that I want to know where is that. also contacts has a setting directory certainly | 20:04 |
| LeakyPug | I tried installing NITdroid (gingerbread) and ended up in some mess.. | 20:04 |
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| pupnik_ | mintux: maemo has a backup/restore facility, you should use that | 20:05 |
| mintux | pupnik_: I don't sure backup messages .just contacts I think | 20:06 |
| mintux | pupnik_: in N900 there is two memory.one of them is 250MB I think that installed maemo and 32GB that deviede two 2GB ext3 and another fat32 for recognize in windows . but I don't want fat and I prefer have ext3 partition | 20:07 |
| mintux | are there another backup tools ? | 20:10 |
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| pupnik_ | mintux: talk.maemo.org "full backup" | 20:11 |
| pupnik_ | backup/restore applications and preferences | 20:11 |
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| pupnik_ | i do not support you breaking your device with filesystem changes | 20:12 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 20:12 |
| mintux | :-D | 20:12 |
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| mintux | pupnik_:it's just a partition table . a file | 20:12 |
| lcuk | hmm for people who do not want fat on their n900 maemo, shouldn't there be a diet/yoga/fitness dvd? | 20:12 |
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| mintux | pupnik_: and can restore I think | 20:13 |
| pupnik_ | a recent study estimates that americans consume 3 billion litres of petrol per year due to their overweight bodies making their cars work extra schlepping them around | 20:13 |
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| timeless_xchat | pupnik: don't worry, we're exporting that habit too | 20:14 |
| LeakyPug | Hey guys. | 20:14 |
| timeless_xchat | the eu will catch up in about 5 years | 20:14 |
| pupnik_ | i have read this | 20:14 |
| lcuk | it would catch up sooner, but it got out of breath running. | 20:14 |
| timeless_xchat | btw, the largest chain is no longer McDonald's | 20:15 |
| LeakyPug | I installed multiboot,nitroid installer and rebooted.. bussssssssss... all my maemo settings gone and no android either. | 20:15 |
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| timeless_xchat | we replaced it with Subway recently | 20:15 |
| lcuk | LeakyPug, sounds like your install leaked out | 20:16 |
| * SpeedEvil yays at reducing the UKs statistics on weight by around 500nanograms/capita | 20:16 | |
| LeakyPug | tried to restore the backup,but still power kernel is not loaded.. | 20:16 |
| lcuk | timeless_xchat, not unsurprising | 20:16 |
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| LeakyPug | and many other setups are not restored. | 20:16 |
| timeless_xchat | really? i was amazed to hear it | 20:17 |
| lcuk | easier to setup a sandwich franchise that does not require the dedicated kitchenspace to same degree | 20:17 |
| lcuk | we have one in our local garage !? | 20:17 |
| timeless_xchat | i know there are a couple Subway's here | 20:17 |
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| timeless_xchat | actually, they bake their own breads | 20:17 |
| lcuk | timeless_xchat, mcd requires large friers etc | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | There is one in my local town centre. | 20:17 |
| LeakyPug | anyway that i can revert back to the pre-nitdroid state? | 20:17 |
| thresh | oh. does anyone know of dlna av servers to be run on n900? | 20:17 |
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| mintux | when N1000 come ? | 20:19 |
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| mintux | :-D | 20:19 |
| mintux | with meego | 20:19 |
| LeakyPug | and i cannot use HAM or fapman or even the terminal apt-get | 20:19 |
| LeakyPug | dpkg gets locked.. | 20:20 |
| timeless_xchat | mintux: vendors like to make announcements according to their own schedules | 20:21 |
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| timeless_xchat | in open source, it's traditional to say "when it's ready" | 20:21 |
| timeless_xchat | leakypug: you could reflash and restore from backup ;) | 20:22 |
| timeless_xchat | you did make a backup before installing something incredibly dangerous, right? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | LeakyPug, download the flash images and reformat machine | 20:23 |
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| timeless_xchat | ask for sympathy and run... | 20:24 |
| timeless_xchat | ...great tactic | 20:24 |
| lcuk | always | 20:25 |
| lcuk | how is your Sunday timeless_xchat ? | 20:25 |
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| timeless_xchat | good, i'm watching. .. | 20:25 |
| lcuk | watching what? | 20:26 |
| mintux | new picture of N1000 http://www.hardware.sk/materials/user17/nokia-n-1000-1.png :-D in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35529 . I can't wait too | 20:26 |
| timeless_xchat | for your eyes only | 20:27 |
| timeless_xchat | actually, having dinner, will return later | 20:27 |
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| andre__ | mintux: plus more than two years old. yawn... | 20:31 |
| mintux | yeap | 20:31 |
| mintux | but it was funny | 20:31 |
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| timeless_xchat | lcuk: my ideapad went to sleep :) | 20:33 |
| timeless_xchat | if i don't give it constant attention, that's what i get :) | 20:34 |
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| timeless_xchat | lcuk, on the topic of weight. .. | 20:37 |
| timeless_xchat | http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/24/news/la-heb-religion-weight-20110324 | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | Jesus ripening His flock? What is wrongwith that? =) | 20:39 |
| timeless_xchat | heh | 20:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sheep that safely overgraze? | 20:45 |
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| mc_teo` | anyone know whats happened to Rizon? | 20:58 |
| dangergrrl | if you have an n900 in the states it may be a good time to get in on a new long term contract before att cuts tmobiles unlimited data plans :) | 21:01 |
| Sazpaimon__ | can I figure out my sim card number from my phone itself | 21:01 |
| Sazpaimon__ | without turning it off | 21:01 |
| dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: almost certainly, try the settings app, i have no clue how | 21:02 |
| dangergrrl | or maybe you can cat /proc/something from a shell :) | 21:02 |
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| mece | \o | 21:03 |
| dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: if you wait a few someone who does know how will likely answer | 21:04 |
| dangergrrl | i only know that you almost certainly can | 21:04 |
| Sazpaimon__ | its okay, I already turned it off to get the number | 21:04 |
| dangergrrl | oh :P | 21:05 |
| dangergrrl | i screwed up my boot scripts and ended up reflashing my rootfs a couple of weeks ago | 21:05 |
| dangergrrl | had to go find the box to get my imei, n900 was crashed and the tiny print inside it was too small to read | 21:06 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | yeah I know how to get the imei | 21:08 |
| Sazpaimon__ | but the simcard number is another story | 21:08 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | might be a dbus-send command | 21:09 |
| dangergrrl | it's only logical that it must be able to get the number to use the card | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | What number? | 21:10 |
| dangergrrl | sim card | 21:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | You mean the IMSI? | 21:10 |
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| dangergrrl | i dunno, Sazpaimon__ was asking but he opened it and read it off his sim card instead | 21:11 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | SpeedEvil, I thought it was the IMSI, but i looked at the card and the number didn't match what I got | 21:12 |
| Sazpaimon__ | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_imsi | 21:12 |
| Sazpaimon__ | that's the command I ran | 21:12 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i got something completely different than the number printed on the sim card itself | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | Aaaaaaa: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/26/friends-don%E2%80%99t-let-friends-get-into-finance/ | 21:20 |
| dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: odd | 21:21 |
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| dangergrrl | maybe the number printed on the card itself is useless? | 21:21 |
| Sazpaimon__ | nope, that's the number he needs | 21:22 |
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| Sicelo | you want to get your phone number from the sim card? | 21:29 |
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| dangergrrl | he wanted to get the number printed on the sim card without taking out the battery and looking at the sim card | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | the number in question is the phone number? | 21:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | :( i missed the beginning of spiderman 3 | 21:33 |
| timeless_w7ip | (from memory i saw it in a theater in London) | 21:33 |
| dangergrrl | Sicelo: definately not the phone number, they don't print those on the sim card | 21:35 |
| Sicelo | that's what's confusing me about what he really wants :-/ | 21:35 |
| * Sicelo is possibly dumb | 21:35 | |
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| dangergrrl | it's some sort of serial number but not the same as the IMSI evidently | 21:37 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it's possible there's just an inventory number on the sim | 21:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, could be anything | 21:41 |
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| dangergrrl | fennec is a real resource pig | 21:45 |
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| nox- | somone once here said it `eats ram like candy' :/ | 21:46 |
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| dangergrrl | it makes my n900 seem much slower | 21:47 |
| dangergrrl | but i like it's feature set | 21:47 |
| dangergrrl | the intelligent zooming is nice | 21:47 |
| nox- | yeah if n900 had more ram... | 21:48 |
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| arcol | do somebody know which package is it?: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/maemo-cflags.mk | 21:52 |
| timeless_w7ip | arcol: did you ask dpkg -S ? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | dangergrrl, fennec is not picky!! it is just as capable at making other devices slower too! | 21:54 |
| arcol | not found | 21:54 |
| arcol | :-\ | 21:54 |
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| dangergrrl | fennec runs nice on my crap full size pc | 21:56 |
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| dangergrrl | the full ff4 eats it | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, I'm confused. Maybe that's because Sazpaimon__ and dangergrrl are confused? The number on SIM is NOT the phonenr, and it's also NOT the IMSI. The IMSI is actually rather useless for anybody, and the IMEI is the *E*quipment number and unrelated to SIM | 21:57 |
| dangergrrl | i installed it because i want to port the eff ssl everywhere plugin | 21:57 |
| dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__ needed the actual number on the SIM which we discovered is not the IMSI | 21:58 |
| dangergrrl | he already opened the n900 and got it though | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: some carriers write phone number on sim | 21:58 |
| dangergrrl | i was guessing that you could get it in software somehow | 21:58 |
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| Arkenoi | imsi is useful if you have Ki as well | 21:59 |
| Arkenoi | number on sim is iccid | 21:59 |
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| dangergrrl | can you get the iccid from dbus or /proc or somewhere? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that'd be rather stupid, as the association of IMSI<->phonenumber is done on some server database and actually can change any time and not known when SIM is manufactured | 22:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | doc: it isn't uncommon | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not always if it's prepaid sim | 22:00 |
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| timeless_w7ip | while the number can change | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you get one number with it and that stays there forever | 22:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | and while it isn't a one to one thing for the lifetime of a number or a sim | 22:00 |
| timeless_w7ip | it doesn't prevent vendors from trying to be "helpful" | 22:00 |
| arcol | is n900 has only bash 2.05? while older maemo phones (diablo) has bash 3.2 | 22:03 |
| RST38h | E7 is such a waste of perfect hardware :((( | 22:03 |
| * RST38h sighs | 22:03 | |
| crashanddie_ | diablo didn't have "phones" | 22:04 |
| arcol | it does not support lists :-( | 22:04 |
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| dangergrrl | damn, fennec made my n900 so slow i couldn't get into the phone app to answer a call | 22:04 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 22:04 |
| arcol | crashanddie_: whatever | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | danfer: the solution is to quit fennec and never start it again | 22:04 |
| RST38h | + E7 is guaranteed to put BestBuy store salesmen into stupor | 22:05 |
| RST38h | as they are helpfully trying to find a case for it =) | 22:05 |
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| crashanddie_ | arcol: check the bash3 package | 22:07 |
| crashanddie_ | ~pkg bash3 | 22:07 |
| crashanddie_ | ~useless | 22:07 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie_ in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 22:07 | |
| crashanddie_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bash3/3.2-0maemo10/ | 22:07 |
| crashanddie_ | arcol: ^ | 22:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | I love it when people tell you to piss off, but then don't thank you when you're being helpful | 22:10 |
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| timeless_w7ip | crashanddie: such is life on the net | 22:12 |
| timeless_w7ip | it's a thankless job and someone's gotta suffer for doing it | 22:12 |
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| crashanddie_ | or I can just kick all the jerks | 22:13 |
| crashanddie_ | but that would include myself | 22:13 |
| RST38h | don't forget to ban | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | I vote for kickbans! | 22:15 |
| * MohammadAG waits for crashanddie_ to kb himself | 22:15 | |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: Every weekend, you should get drunk and commit a channel takeover for a few hours. It is an ancient IRC tradition. | 22:16 |
| crashanddie_ | aha! | 22:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | yaaarrrrr | 22:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Once you take over, start spewing racial/ethnic insults, in order to make everyone leave | 22:17 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: If that does not work, try flooding the channel with links to the images of kitten corpses and other necrozoophilia | 22:18 |
| crashanddie_ | OK, here come the insults | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | or /mkick | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | don't... try that | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h: you're about as useful as a Betamax videorecorder | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 22:19 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: In a rather rare case of that not working, you can resort to kickbanning everyone, but it is really not as funny | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG | can infobot have her voice back? she needs it | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Infobot is messaging me that they can't talk. | 22:21 |
| vldcnst | poor infobot | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | Mghm...These apps included with Symbian are just plain useless =( | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | you got a symbian phone? | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Got an E7 via FN program | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | want some tips from a previous symbian owner? | 22:22 |
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| MohammadAG | sell it :P | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | FN program? | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | Some S60e5 customers will be really happy with updated emulators :) | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I had an E70 for a long time, actually liked it | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | last S60 phone I enjoyed was the N95 | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | then came the N97, an overhyped underspecced device | 22:23 |
| RST38h | N97 sucked | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 22:24 |
| RST38h | No Russian "B" letter on the keyboard, for Tentacled's sake... | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | I almost switched to Samsung, then came the N900 :P | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | Hey you still have an N8, don'tyou? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | it's not mine, but it's in the house :P | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Big Screen is actually not that bad | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | can't figure out how to pair the PS3 remote though | 22:26 |
| mece | I played with an n8 today. It's quite nice. Very light | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | same width as the N900 without the screen+slider | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | I hate the non-removable battery, surprised that Nokia added a force-off switch | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | ? | 22:28 |
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| RST38h | Ovi Store is actually bearable on E7 | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | not such an intolerable PoS as on Maemo | 22:32 |
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| * RST38h compares "Nokia Pure" font with Microsoft's corporate font | 22:37 | |
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| RST38h | Oh, I think I have found where "Nokia Pure" font is coming from: http://www.aeato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Windows-Phone-OS.jpg | 22:40 |
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| MohammadAG_ | RST38h, kinda ironic | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: predictable though | 22:47 |
| RST38h | the ironic part is that nothing but ruin will come out of this process. | 22:47 |
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| drack | Gyjf did you skip that step with osso-wlan ? | 22:54 |
| drack | the step in the read me | 22:55 |
| Gyjf | nope | 22:56 |
| Gyjf | " You can also skip this step, but keep in mind that the above mentioned bug | 22:56 |
| Gyjf | can occur" | 22:56 |
| drack | at which point you reboot | 22:56 |
| Gyjf | that bug has happened to me tho | 22:56 |
| drack | how did you fix it? | 22:56 |
| Gyjf | usually it is enough to unload the drivers | 22:56 |
| Gyjf | there is a script for that in the package iirc | 22:57 |
| Gyjf | i have one script for loading it and one for unloading | 22:57 |
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| drack | well can i have them? | 22:57 |
| Gyjf | those are both in there | 22:57 |
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| Gyjf | i just have some pathchanges and notifications added | 22:58 |
| Gyjf | you can also ln it | 22:58 |
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| Gyjf | i just put a cd /path/ sh load.sh script in my home | 22:59 |
| Gyjf | and same for unload | 22:59 |
| drack | oh ok | 22:59 |
| drack | i meen with osso-wlan | 23:00 |
| drack | mean | 23:00 |
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| Gyjf | i skipped that step | 23:01 |
| Gyjf | appart from the bug it works fine | 23:01 |
| drack | cd ../osso-wlan | 23:01 |
| drack | # dpkg -i osso-wlan_3.0.20+0m5-1_armel.deb | 23:01 |
| drack | you didnt do this? | 23:01 |
| Gyjf | nope | 23:02 |
| drack | ok | 23:02 |
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| Gyjf | as mentioned that step is optional | 23:02 |
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| drack | and so the bug only rarlely occurs? | 23:02 |
| Gyjf | i dont use those drivers very often | 23:03 |
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| Gyjf | i just load them when i need it and then unload them when im done | 23:03 |
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| drack | do you have ettercap and metasploit? | 23:04 |
| drack | on your n900 | 23:04 |
| Gyjf | i tried ettercap but it didnt work for me | 23:04 |
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| drack | dayumn you need to try neopwn | 23:06 |
| drack | i thinkit has everything | 23:06 |
| Gyjf | i dont need everything | 23:06 |
| drack | neopwn is backtrack mobile am i right? | 23:07 |
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| Gyjf | i need the aircrack suite and maybe arpspoof | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/01/the-mother-of-all-android-malware-has-arrived-stolen-apps-released-to-the-market-that-root-your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/ | 23:22 |
| crashanddie_ | drack: it was supposed to be a copy, but there was some drama between the neopwn guys and the backtrack foo | 23:22 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically: these Google folks are apparently going to repeat every mistake in the book | 23:22 | |
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| dangergrrl | if i want aria2 i have to actually build it myself for fremantle? i found a .deb but it's for diablo and wants libssl0.9.7 | 23:24 |
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| dangergrrl | (yes i tried to install it anyhow, figured it was command line so would probably still work) | 23:26 |
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