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| merlin1991 | anyone wanna do my ulm paper for university? :D | 00:38 |
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| infobot | merlin1991 meant: anyone wanna do my uml paper for university? :D | 00:38 |
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| merlin1991 | I can't help it, but ff4 looks like opera to me :D | 01:25 |
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| chx | merlin1991: FF was always a cheap knockoff of Opera | 01:33 |
| BCMM | chx: uh, what? | 01:37 |
| chx | BCMM: some years ago i was keeping track of the things FF stole from Opera but i stopped | 01:37 |
| BCMM | "was always"? | 01:37 |
| BCMM | firefox derives from the mozilla suite, which derives from netscape navigator. which substantially pre-dates opera. | 01:38 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ls | 01:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | argh | 01:38 |
| BCMM | (also, it's abbreviated "Fx", not "FF") | 01:38 |
| * SpeedEvil hits BCMM with a pedantr. | 01:39 | |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: bin dev etc porn opt ok i'm not actually a shell | 01:39 |
| BCMM | if i were actually bash, i'd get p and o in the right order. | 01:40 |
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| Termana | good morning | 01:46 |
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| chx | BCMM: Opera had tabbed browsing in 2000, Mozilla in 2001, Phoenix in 2002 | 01:50 |
| chx | BCMM: that's just one in the long list of features.... | 01:50 |
| BCMM | yeah, i hate it when useful features get copied by other applications | 01:50 |
| chx | BCMM: of course that's fine | 01:50 |
| BCMM | simple ideas that get invented in closed-source applications should stay closed forever | 01:50 |
| chx | BCMM: i just found for some time a bit frustrating that people cheer firefox and stun opera while Opera was far superior to Firefox | 01:51 |
| chx | BCMM: but oh well, i no longer care nor i use Opera, I switched to Chrome, it became 100% unusable by now, so I am now on FF4. *shrug* | 01:51 |
| BCMM | that's what they get for being closed, tbh | 01:51 |
| BCMM | i left firefox for konqueror | 01:52 |
| BCMM | because hte KDE integration is rather nice | 01:52 |
| * chx shakes head | 01:52 | |
| BCMM | webkit is good. | 01:52 |
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| chx | Open source is not superior to closed | 01:52 |
| chx | I say that despite being one of the lead developers of a quite big open source project | 01:53 |
| BCMM | didn't say that, just said that it doesn't help gather fanboys | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways it is. | 01:53 |
| chx | some ways yes | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | But in others, not. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Open source suffers hideously from people working onthe shiny bits. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | And in many cases on _way_ too many people with commit rights. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Leading to policy decisions being made by one dev at 3 in the morning. | 01:54 |
| chx | Well, it's usually the UI tha tsuffers | 01:57 |
| chx | design and open source development do not go together well apparrently. | 01:58 |
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| message144 | Hi folks, I am following these instructions to get socat running on boot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62838 . But for some reason, socat is not starting up on boot. Any ideas? Thanks. | 02:01 |
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| internetishard | good way to have pidgin start on boot? I have crap loads of contacts in the many protocols it supports. (also, why does it take like three tries for it to open every time I reboot?) | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: Can you start it from the commandline? If so - use queen beecon | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | To launch a script on display loading | 02:24 |
| internetishard | ah | 02:25 |
| internetishard | also, do you have any idea why I have to restart sometime for my tmo connection to become visible? | 02:26 |
| internetishard | this usually happens when it cuts out (there is a house I get very little reception in, so when I leave I have to restart it for tmo connection to become visible again sometimes) | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure, sorry. | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It sometimes does that for me too | 02:32 |
| nox- | last time i saw that switching to gsm and then back to 3g fixed it | 02:35 |
| nox- | (using that mode switch widget or whatever its called) | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:37 |
| internetishard | ah, I'm usually in gsm | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes I need to switch off/on | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | oh cool. opera browser update for diablo :) | 02:37 |
| internetishard | any idea why it takes 3 or more tries to successfully launch pidgin most times? | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | (had to wipe .opera to get it to work) | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gather it's not available via my age old catalogs | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: strace? | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK | for Diablo it's in opera's repo. For fremantle, it's in extras-testing | 02:39 |
| internetishard | SpeedEvil: what's this strace thing? | 02:41 |
| internetishard | am I supposed to check something to see if that's the reason? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | (connection loss) note that scanning all bands/channels takes lots of energy, so all modems have a strategy to exponetially increase the idle time between scans with no result. This can cause pick up of new connection takes place hours after it becomes available | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - not that. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It will occasionally lose connection in high signal strengrth areas. | 02:42 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer, so that means I should manually disable and enable the gsm setting in order for it to pick up again? | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | online -> offline ->online can fix it too | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: if you were long time in an area where no connection was available and now you suspect you got better signal and wabt to speed up the process, then yes | 02:43 |
| internetishard | indeed, thanks | 02:44 |
| internetishard | what about this pidgin not starting until I try to start it about 3 times? | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I should really send mine in for fixing. | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: trying to place a call *might* as wel trigger a scan. Depends on firmware / build/model | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but entering&leaving airplane mode is a sure bet | 02:46 |
| internetishard | k ,thanks | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for usual "phones" that'S off&on cycling | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes that doesn't help for me - a reboot is needed. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lockup of I2C communication to modem? In OMAP? | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't investigated it as I should | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Too much boring stuff to do. | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's not too hard to spot all the processes that happen on a reboot but not during airplane-mode cycling | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g modem still gets power even during boot/off | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 02:49 |
| internetishard | thinkin like a scientist DocScrutinizer, I like it | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: I *am* a scientist | 02:49 |
| internetishard | What science do you study? | 02:49 |
| internetishard | CS? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | would be sad I'd not think like one | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | EE | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and physics | 02:50 |
| internetishard | Well, I meant experimental scientist | 02:50 |
| internetishard | cool | 02:50 |
| internetishard | what are you primary physics interests? | 02:50 |
| lcuk | internetishard, he has an advanced diploma in bikini watching too o_O | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ATM dark matter | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mater* | 02:50 |
| internetishard | don't we all lcuk | 02:50 |
| internetishard | I'd like to give you some books | 02:50 |
| * lcuk is a postgraduate | 02:50 | |
| internetishard | and ask for tutoring on one that I'm trying to read | 02:50 |
| internetishard | +_+ | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm wondering why dark mater can't build planets / other objects, like barionic mater tends to do | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or does it? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tend to think dark mater is a hoax, like ether | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually physics will go past that stupid concept | 02:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it does not interact strongly with itself, for example. | 02:54 |
| Scorcerer | imo it doesn't have enough density to form smth more than dust on your desk... | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | how could that be? It interacts with barionic mater even - buzzword gravity | 02:56 |
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| Scorcerer | interacts != has enough mass to form a planet | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it must collect inside barionic objects, according to the already existing gravity pool | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | If for example, it repels itself over much greater distances. | 02:57 |
| Scorcerer | sorry, it's too late for me to do that kind of talk, gotta sleep | 02:57 |
| Scorcerer | g'night | 02:57 |
| [Steven_M] | hi, what are the differences between maemo and meego, aren't they related projects? | 02:57 |
| internetishard | hahah DocScrutinizer, thanks for being smart... One of the books I was wanting to recommend was about why dark matter is a hoax | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Night Scorcerer | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if it can't "friction" decelerate itsaelf due to missing interaction, the gravity friction with barionic mater would decelerate dark mater so it must collect in 'real' planets/stars | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Matter is complex because of its self-interactive properties - bonds et al | 03:00 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer, I usually look at this from a history of physical science perspective | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ether, yeah ;-D | 03:01 |
| internetishard | why dark matter and dark energy were introduced, and the models and those rationales were based on | 03:01 |
| internetishard | indeed | 03:01 |
| [Steven_M] | so you guys don't believe in dark matter? | 03:01 |
| internetishard | ether was much more elegant that both imo | 03:01 |
| internetishard | or black holes ;] | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | black holes are a fact | 03:01 |
| internetishard | damn DocScrutinizer, you're cooler than I assumed | 03:01 |
| internetishard | how do they work without dark matter and dark energy DocScrutinizer? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | my avatar look like ass for some reason :-P | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: there are alternative theories, that are not proven to be false though not as widely accepted as hot/cold dark mater concept | 03:03 |
| [Steven_M] | anyway, getting back to Maemo, is the n900 the only phone it will run on? | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:03 |
| internetishard | And there are alternative cosmic models upon which other theories are based | 03:04 |
| internetishard | What did you think about hawkin's admittance of light being able to escape black holes? | 03:04 |
| [Steven_M] | DocScrutinizer: was that yes to me? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, tunneling is an effect I'm dealing with in my job as EE every day | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:05 |
| internetishard | what EE stuff do you work on? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: pur heissenberg and event horizon in a glass and stir, and you got energy escaping black holes | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: N900 ;-P | 03:06 |
| internetishard | you work at nokia? | 03:06 |
| internetishard | lol, not sure I get it | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no - thank god not | 03:06 |
| [Steven_M] | DocScrutinizer: cool, did you see my earlier question? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, which one | 03:07 |
| internetishard | How do you get paid to work on the n900? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all :-( | 03:07 |
| internetishard | Do you work on its hardware at all? So you're retired? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm following Diogenes' philosophy | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really... | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | about to check a freelancer job to mess up your car computers ;-P | 03:08 |
| internetishard | you don't seem that cynical | 03:08 |
| [Steven_M] | DocScrutinizer: what are the differences between maemo and meego? | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, you seem to not know me. You're new in this chan? | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Steven_M]: duh. I'd think a lot, and also little. Check the meego wiki | 03:09 |
| internetishard | No, been seeing you on this channel for a while, but until you mentioned this stuff about physics, I didn't have the desire to look into you | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I've proven about my overly cynical nature several times | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know it's bad but I feel good with it | 03:10 |
| internetishard | I'm interested in the possibilities OSS might bring to car computers | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | like with smoking ;-P | 03:10 |
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| internetishard | any books to recommend about car comps? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | automotive is the topic | 03:11 |
| internetishard | yeah.... | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ##hardware internetishard? | 03:11 |
| internetishard | lol, got it | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite harsh conditions, and a unique set of requirements | 03:12 |
| internetishard | I was just curious what DocScrutinizer would say since he said it is a big interest. | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Doing a car PC that is reliable is hard | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, not a *big* interest, just a perspective for beer and dognuts | 03:12 |
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| internetishard | why is it harder that making a phone that is reliable? | 03:13 |
| internetishard | where do you live DocScrutinizer? | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | EMI in a car is way worse | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | D | 03:13 |
| internetishard | my phone works well in cars | 03:13 |
| internetishard | + better faraday cages | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Car power may vary from 8-16V in 'normal' use, and -40 to 80V under fault conditions. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nasty surges on VDD, wet, hot, cold, shocks of several 100G | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | insects, rodents | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dust | 03:15 |
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| internetishard | indeed | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you moving at a speed of 130 MPH and make PLOP like an egg if something bad happens to any relevant subsystem | 03:16 |
| internetishard | which makes me think of better ways of hooking the thing up | 03:16 |
| internetishard | better wiring, etc | 03:16 |
| internetishard | yeah, similar rationales to blackboxes in airplanes | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's automotive | 03:17 |
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| [Steven_M] | DocScrutinizer: the wiki doesn't really outline the differences, could you or somebody else please outline some of them? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | car cd players that cheat on components tend to break and fail during some 6 to 12 months | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Steven_M]: meamo has closed components (C)Nokia. Meego doesn't (errr *cough*) | 03:18 |
| vldcnst | meego doesn't?... | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | see the brackets :-= | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:19 |
| [Steven_M] | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks :) | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, meego was designed not to have, until they ran into xprot, bme, dunnowhat | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ofono also is more closed than open I'd dare to say. In a sense it's based on NDA'd specs to some degree | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/sense/sense that/ | 03:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ofono also is more closed than open I'd dare to say. In a sense that it's based on NDA'd specs to some degree | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LIS5523 driver also based on NDA'd specs and exploiting only 30% of the chip's capabilities | 03:25 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? | 03:25 |
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| lcuk | complain about many things, but from what I know ofono does its job in the open | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | while virtually nobody knows about the doubled storage, the full set of ALU and branch/jump and MUX opcodes | 03:26 |
| [Steven_M] | next question, does the N900 use SIM cards, and does anyone know whether it will work with New Zealand cell phone networks? | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I said it's *based* on closed docs partially | 03:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | [Steven_M], yes it does use SIM cards. It shouldn't have issues in .nz | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | as for example several properties of our N900 BB5 FW version aren't explained in that open wireless specs | 03:27 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it is an open interface into something that has been historically extremely closed - something to be greatly applauded | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I never opposed that | 03:27 |
| lcuk | yes, you might have deeper questions, but cmon give them credit where it is due | 03:27 |
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| [Steven_M] | psycho_oreos: thanks :) | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, credit to ofono for implementing wireless modem API and some NDA'd stuff beyond | 03:29 |
| psycho_oreos | [Steven_M], it definitely has SIM card slot :) that I know for sure. The latter part I don't think its not going to work. Just be sure to check if yer phone provider uses one of those usual bands | 03:29 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :) writeup your questions about the rest of the stuff officially and in a manner that allows them to be answered well | 03:30 |
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| lcuk | and see whether the response is in the same manner | 03:30 |
| * lcuk is actually going to use this advice for something else himself | 03:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I gave up on pushing for e.g. service monitor mode access for BB5 | 03:31 |
| [Steven_M] | psycho_oreos: will do | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: and the problems about our cmt FW version doesn't match the GPS specs in wireless modem API got covered by jonwil in epic length | 03:33 |
| [Steven_M] | Despite having closed parts, Mameo is still mostly GNU/Linux, right? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:33 |
| [Steven_M] | good :) | 03:33 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I know all about epic length! being concise and focused in questions might garner a better reaction. | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, all of kernel and much of basic system is. middleware and apps, erhm | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I've been concise when asking tekojo about ServiceMonitor | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can look up the whle story in this chan's logs as of more early last year | 03:35 |
| lcuk | sure, but IRC is not the place to get big answers really? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I explained concise and clearly we need neighbour cell list for advanced location services | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | also need TA and some other parameters were a nice to have | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tero delegated it to some Nokia guy and asked him to report back *here*. Never happened | 03:37 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so you have not heard back from questions | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I asked half a year later, tero said it's not considered relevant OWTTE | 03:38 |
| lcuk | OWTTE? | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~owtte | 03:38 |
| infobot | owtte is probably or words to the effect | 03:38 |
| lcuk | ok, so have you spoken on the ofono ML about it? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, as it's not my genuine area of expertise and interest | 03:39 |
| lcuk | sure, so find someone who can talk the lingo and see whether they can translate and see | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't plan to join there and make a name and reputation to earn a similar answer | 03:40 |
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| [Steven_M] | Last question: If you guys were in the market for your first Linux phone, (like me) would you buy an N900 and run Maemo, or would you wait for a Meego phone to be released? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's simply a function in cmt that's not documented in wireless modem API, so nobody except Nokia can do anything about it, andNokia isn't considering it worthwile, according to tekojo | 03:41 |
| lcuk | sure doc | 03:41 |
| psycho_oreos | hoping for a meego phone to come out is a bit of a gamble.. plus there's ports underway for meego to run on N900 | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If I was not in urgent need, I'd wait for the meego phone to be released, and then consider a n900 from ebay if it doddn't suit. | 03:42 |
| * lcuk sleeps | 03:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | [Steven_M]: clearly buy 2 N900 | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | night lcuk | 03:44 |
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| [Steven_M] | ok, thanks all for your input :-) | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:45 |
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| [Steven_M] | see you all later | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>Apps developed with the Qt SDK 1.1 Beta are now being accepted into the $10 million (USD) Calling All Innovators North America contest presented by AT&T and Nokia | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wl4.peer360.com/b/L7R40AsFFAi5B85268O5/mle.asp?EID=195757&hl=94639427 | 04:02 |
| pupnik_ | why does your webbrowser copy the HTML code and not the character DocScrutinizer ? | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, DSL down | 04:08 |
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| Loveable_rouge | yo yo all , was wandering if there is an app for n900 so i can edit png icons | 04:11 |
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| Loveable_rouge | yo yo all , was wandering if there is an app for n900 so i can edit png icons | 04:16 |
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| pauly | hello | 04:23 |
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| pupnik_ | moo | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I hate those DSLAM downtimes without any prior notice | 04:32 |
| pupnik_ | service downtime? | 04:32 |
| pauly | hey, does the new firefox rc have flash? | 04:33 |
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| pupnik_ | in soviet adobe, flash has you! | 04:33 |
| pauly | okay??? | 04:34 |
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| ShadowJK | firefox will never "have flash" | 04:38 |
| pauly | have it enabled? | 04:39 |
| pauly | i remember previous versions had it. i tried going to about:plugins and the plugins menu and its not to be found. | 04:41 |
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| BCMM_ | Loveable_rouge: a png icon is just a regular png, with smallish dimensions | 04:53 |
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| delt | Hello | 05:11 |
| delt | was just wondering on the n810, what are the /dev/mtdblock[12345] and why only mtdblock4 is used (as i can see, for the internal 256mb?) | 05:13 |
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| luke-jr | delt: they are all used | 05:14 |
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| luke-jr | one is the bootloader, one is kernel, one is initfs, one is rootfs, and I forget the last | 05:14 |
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| luke-jr | maybe CAL data | 05:14 |
| delt | whoa... ok thanks for the info =) | 05:15 |
| delt | so that means if i have backup images of each of those, i can put back the bootloader, or the kernel, etc. to its previous state without screwing around with the rest of the partitions, right? | 05:17 |
| delt | so, let's see what we can see..... | 05:18 |
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| delt | ... does anyone remember the name of that package that changes the "two rectangles" button for a mac osx style window switcher? | 05:24 |
| delt | (on the n810) | 05:24 |
| delt | thought it was something simple, a word that begins with "T", but it aint there... =( | 05:26 |
| delt | Ah, TELESCOPE got it :D sorry for bothering | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: yeah, service downtime - at least that's what I gather from time-of-day and duration, and regular connection teardown | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | delt: see /proc/mtd - and don't get fooled, you can't write to those partitions, as they have no proper filesystem that'd help to deal with bad blocks on the phy img | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (proc/mts isn't confirmed to apply for N810, got that from N900) | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtd even | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, now it's confirmed :-D | 05:35 |
| delt | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the info. (that can be expected with /proc /sys type filesystems:) | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB on N810 the initfs partition actually is used for exactly that. Not like N900 where it's unused | 05:37 |
| delt | so 0 1 2 3 4 are: bootloader, config, kernel, initfs, rootfs | 05:40 |
| delt | which explains why only mtdblock4 shows up under 'df' or 'mount' | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | (...and me wonders why not even the uBoot devels made use of that partition - it looks like it's mad useful to improve the situation along cramming uBoot into kernel partition and uBoot not allowing to configure and store ENV in a usual way) | 05:41 |
| delt | one thing that made me go "wtf" ... was why the default root fs (256mb) doesn't even have support for ext2/3 fs | 05:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer needs to poke mrmoku about that | 05:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | delt: it's a special fs that deals with nand bad blocks etc | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | which ext* can't do | 05:43 |
| ShadowJK | It's not a block device. Also, ubifs would perform vastly better on the 32g emmc compared to ext3, if ubifs could run on block devices | 05:44 |
| delt | "nand" as in the logical/boolean operation used with flash memory? | 05:44 |
| ShadowJK | nand flash, yes | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND flash storage technology, yes | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND is alowed to have bad blocks, unlike NOR | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the oneNAND used in OMAP afaik only first 2 erase pages are guaranteed to always be ok - the rest is up to your fs to deal with bad "blocks" | 05:46 |
| delt | so /dev/mtd[012345] and mtd[012345]ro are crw-rw---- root,root and /dev/mtdblock[01234] (no block5) are brw-rw---- root,disk | 05:46 |
| delt | .... all dated 31.dec.1969 :? | 05:46 |
| delt | ..or is ls on this thing also a symlink to this 'busybox' thing .... | 05:47 |
| ShadowJK | It's not just bad block remapping, ubifs has direct control over erase blocks, and can partially write to blocks and keep them open. The emmc looks like a block device, and has minimal ability to keep track of the state of the underlying nand flash, which results in a small write of 4k triggering a 256k read-modify-write cycle.. | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a badblocks virtual node somewhere that made for a nice competition here some time ago | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | "how few bad block does your N900 have?" | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB bad blocks can appear out of thin air during every write to NAND | 05:48 |
| delt | hahaha | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so not even writing back the phy img of your own device is considered 100% safe | 05:49 |
| delt | "how many still usable blocks does YOUR n* have?" | 05:49 |
| ShadowJK | emmc on the other hand just blows up and stops working one day :-) | 05:49 |
| delt | i say we use good old tape drives on these. much more reliable | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | after noticably shrinking in size prior to that point of failure | 05:50 |
| delt | like in the 70's. :D | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | tape drives have similar random access write performance as ext3 on emmc flash :-) | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, emmc doesn't shrink | 05:50 |
| delt | if you put it in the dryer yes it does | 05:52 |
| delt | say you forget it in your pocket... then you do some laundry | 05:52 |
| ShadowJK | You could make it shrink, but it's often destructive, and always requires use of proprietary vendor tools :/ (and these things are usually so buggy anywway that once they've run out of spares they never recover sufficiently to communicate with again) | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hmm, maybe. Not sure | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's been the friggin name of that badblock node? | 05:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses that ... errr. alzheimer was the name? | 05:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | find /proc/ /sys -name '*bad*' didn't really help | 05:54 |
| delt | i think it's "badblock node" but that may be a misnomer | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | dev/ ?? | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | I've killed a few mmc/sd, and I've observed 3 kinds of failure behaviour: a) silent. Card reports no error, data is read back corrupted. Thanks to wear leveling, corrupting sectors of data constantly move. b) Working until accessing group containing bad sector, then card returns IO error for ALL sectors. c) Total hang requiring powercycling after touching damaged block/area | 05:55 |
| delt | um, if it was in /dev that means there would be just one for all mounted filesystems? | 05:56 |
| delt | or am i completely retarded (which is more probable) | 05:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to nag pov.it to grep it out of chanlogs | 05:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly a bad idea | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: please help me out, it's driving me nervous | 05:58 |
| ShadowJK | I don't at all remember such a thing | 05:59 |
| delt | *sigh* just rebooted the n810 and forgot to unmount the (auto-mounted) partitions first :/ | 05:59 |
| ShadowJK | though on boot you see the badblocks-out-of-factory iirc | 05:59 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/simona/fast10-flash.pdf | 06:00 |
| delt | "From your brand new 512GB SATA hard disk, at least 37MB are valid after 0 days, 0 hours, and 14:37 minutes of use." | 06:00 |
| ShadowJK | They didn't observe same failure modes as I have, but the failure modes they saw were nasty too | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, so I did it, max out CPU at pov.it | 06:03 |
| delt | pov.it is that an impulse tracker module or a domain name in italy? | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic | 06:05 |
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| nox- | probably more disk than cpu... :) | 06:07 |
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| delt | anyway, thanks for the info guys. cheers :D | 06:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Bad_Blocks but meh | 06:16 |
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| Macer | bad blocks? | 06:26 |
| Macer | all nands have bad blocks. :) my wii has some | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but what's the proper way to list the number of bad blocks from linux? | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously the linux NAND driver has a copy of BBT | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm sure shares some statistics about it *somewhere* | 06:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer starts to wonder if that bad block contest was on #openmoko | 06:28 | |
| ds3 | wonder if the debugfs stuff exposes that | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FFS, I remeber exactly how somebody posted the "cat fooo" cmd, and everybody went "11 here", "me got 9", and I had 0. But I can't recall the channel nor the foooo | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | this drives me nuts - chanlog search doesn't help, granny google doesn't help... :-S | 06:32 |
| ds3 | try looking at /sys/class/ubi/ubi0 | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | already did. bad_peb_count doesn't sound exactly right | 06:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also that's obviously for ubi, not for whole NAND | 06:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer <-musing about cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/stat | 06:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, mmc - fail | 06:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, bad_page-erase-blocks_count? | 06:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wishes for RL having better semantic tags | 06:58 | |
| ds3 | write a hook into the mtd subsystem to dump it | 06:58 |
| ds3 | =) | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been a *simple* way | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | like one cmdline "cat /foo/bar/doodledoo" | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe the hint with debugfs wasn't that off | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I can't recall any mount cmd involved in that contest back when | 07:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf mtd | 07:09 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what mtd means... | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_technology_device | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | no wonder I forget details 9 months ago | 07:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>The sysfs interface is relatively newer and it provides full information about each MTD device in the system. This interface is easily extensible and developers are encouraged to use the sysfs interface instead of older ioctl or /proc/mtd interfaces, when possible. | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, grep -A 40 "OneNAND driver initializing" /var/log/syslog | 07:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh for "hal-device /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_omap2_onenand" | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I give up | 07:30 |
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| user__ | hi people i just got a virtual deb distro working on the n900 throghy | 08:18 |
| user__ | easy deb and was curious of n900 limations | 08:18 |
| user__ | and wanted to try and get some people to help | 08:19 |
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| user__ | makeing the open pandora os working on the n900 | 08:20 |
| user__ | anyone think its possable | 08:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | user__: Limitations of EasyDebian seem to be no hardware-accelerated graphics due to no glES to OpenGL converter | 08:21 |
| robbiethe1st | It's got a software renderer, but meh. No good for playing 3d games on. | 08:21 |
| user__ | mm so no way to get an useful port of armstrong linux | 08:22 |
| dm8tbr | it's called angstrom | 08:22 |
| user__ | oops | 08:23 |
| dm8tbr | and I'd expect angstrom to be fairly easy to adapt to the n900. I have it running on the same SoC but different product. | 08:23 |
| dm8tbr | including SGX | 08:23 |
| user__ | mm but what i wanted was so that it had suppot the pnd ext | 08:25 |
| user__ | maybe we can just add support into another distro alrady customized for n900 | 08:25 |
| user__ | sorry if i seem like a noob i hab | 08:26 |
| user__ | have no dev back ground | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SHR is Agstrom/OE based | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and runs on N900 | 08:27 |
| user__ | but open pandora has a custom version tha has support for pnd | 08:28 |
| user__ | and thats what i want to run on " | 08:28 |
| user__ | n900 | 08:29 |
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| user__ | does anyone have an idea on how to that done? | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900 | 08:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc what's pnd | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so dunno if it's supported by SHR | 08:31 |
| user__ | what i am aware of its an ec | 08:31 |
| user__ | extension that they bulit into the custom pandora version of linux | 08:32 |
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| user__ | i just thaugt if we can get an copy of that image and edit it like we did with ubuntu and fedora | 08:34 |
| user__ | it can be used on the N900 | 08:35 |
| user__ | am i wrong | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe >> TEPCO will provide eternal AC power to systems for cooling the reactor and the suppression pool ...<< http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300850463P.pdf | 08:37 |
| RST38h | Doc: It came down to eternal garantees? | 08:42 |
| user__ | im going to bed it 3 in thre morning thanks for the help and anyone else who can help please email me at blahblahblah@hotmail.com | 08:42 |
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| mece | what's the status of the openvg branch? | 09:21 |
| mece | erm oops | 09:21 |
| mece | :D | 09:21 |
| mece | nvrmind | 09:21 |
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| toggles | top | 09:34 |
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| mece | bottom | 09:37 |
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| ZogG | privet | 09:51 |
| * ZogG o/ mece | 09:51 | |
| mece | ZogG, hello there. How fares things? | 09:51 |
| ZogG | shitty | 09:52 |
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| mece | how so? | 09:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | up, down, strnage, charm, raspberry | 09:56 |
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| toggles | 1up ! | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 up 1 down | 09:57 |
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| ZogG | mece, have thousand problems =( | 09:59 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i do not use cheats | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, of course 2 up 1 down | 09:59 |
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| mece | some weird shit going on with my sdk | 10:01 |
| chx | raspberry??????? | 10:01 |
| chx | blink | 10:01 |
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| FIQ|n900 | rm: kan inte ta bort "./foo": Is a directory | 10:02 |
| mece | apt-get install libqt4-opengl-dev results in it whining that it depends on libqt4-dev but it's not going to be installed. When it already is installed. | 10:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | Huh...? | 10:02 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: what the heck is a raspberry quark? | 10:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | I've always been able to remove directories with rm, lol | 10:02 |
| mece | FIQ|n900, -r | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEHEHE | 10:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | Yes, I know | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen first one yesterday | 10:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | rm -rf ./foo | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my coffee | 10:03 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: lol | 10:03 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: you drink some strange coffee. | 10:03 |
| mece | FIQ|n900, what does rm -rf foo do then? | 10:03 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: truly out of this world :D | 10:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | The same | 10:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | i.e. prints out an error about it being a directory | 10:04 |
| mece | FIQ|n900, well at least the error message looks cute when it's in swedish :) | 10:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | .. :P | 10:04 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hrm | 10:05 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer why don't you have feelings =) | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: ping | 10:05 |
| ZogG | Venemo, hey buddy | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm a shellscript | 10:05 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer you are skyne | 10:05 |
| ZogG | skynet* | 10:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | I used the directory to attempt to do sshfs on N900, but when it didn't work at all, I just scp:ed it. However, the dir borked after that | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you think is root of skynet? | 10:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | can't cd, can't ls it, can't do anything with it | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: stat it | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: my package (osc and osc-pix) got uploaded but still doesn't show maintainer field (it is set in debian/control though), care to guess why? | 10:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | Performed a df -h, and it isn't mounted | 10:06 |
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| KotCzarny | fiq: mount |grep your_partition | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | df sometimes hides filesystems it guesses as virtual | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | also, ps ax|grep ssh | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's a stale sshfs mount | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | it could get dismounted | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | killall -9 ssh | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | then umount | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | or other way round | 10:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | I actually found that process | 10:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | and killed it | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | killed it for good? | 10:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | is it still mounted? | 10:08 |
| mece | gaaaaaaha | 10:08 |
| mece | stupid library fail | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | fiq: check the output of 'mount' command | 10:08 |
| ZogG | mece, so how is gnash tryings? | 10:09 |
| * mece gives up and installs libqt4-experimental instead | 10:09 | |
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| FIQ|n900 | Yeah, it was mounted | 10:09 |
| mece | ZogG, annoying because qt libs were messy somehow. | 10:09 |
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| FIQ|n900 | umounted it now | 10:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | ty | 10:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | now rm worked properly | 10:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | BUT | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | fusermount -u mountpoint | 10:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | why did the error state "Is a directory"? | 10:10 |
| mece | ZogG, I'm pretty sure gnash wont amount to anything useful in it's current state... | 10:10 |
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| KotCzarny | fiq: don't trust anything you read | 10:10 |
| ZogG | mece =( | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | error codes get reused | 10:10 |
| ZogG | anyway i almost don't use java | 10:10 |
| ZogG | i mean flash | 10:11 |
| ZogG | =) | 10:11 |
| ZogG | anyway i hate both | 10:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 10:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | fusermount | 10:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | (u)mount as non-superuser? | 10:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | or what? :p | 10:11 |
| ZogG | opera 11 looks cool | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | fusermount is setuid | 10:11 |
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| KotCzarny | mount could bark at you for being non-superuser | 10:12 |
| ZogG | KotCzarny, than be root | 10:12 |
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| mece | ZogG, opera 11 for n900? | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | see man sshfs | 10:15 |
| mece | sshfs ftfw | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (strange enough fusermount doesn't have a manpage) | 10:15 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, if you can find an answer for kotczarny osc problem, ping me I will bring him back to channel or relay as reqd \o | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 10:16 |
| mece | FIQ|n900, maybe it's a translation bug | 10:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | mece, maybe | 10:17 |
| frals | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/482156.html | 10:17 |
| frals | heh | 10:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 10:17 |
| mece | frals, wtf? | 10:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | by the way, the "(y/n) y *abort*" problem in dpkg, is it Maemo's or dpkg's fault? | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes fsckdup mounts and corrupted filesystems have strange effects - see the notorious "stale NFS mount" as last rationale of fsck when running into really bad corruptions on extfs | 10:18 |
| ZogG | mece yes, i like interface | 10:18 |
| ZogG | and everything looks good, only if microb was able to get tabs and speeddial like this =( | 10:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | since when I used kubuntu (long time ago, on 9.04), it was correctly prompting in own language. | 10:19 |
| ruskie | I'd be happy if I could actually use 4 virtual desktops... not have to switch between apps... | 10:19 |
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| Venemo | hey ZogG, sorry I couldn't respond yesterday. I was sleeping. | 10:21 |
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| ZogG | Venemo ьу ещщ | 10:24 |
| ZogG | me too | 10:24 |
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| Venemo | ok ZogG:) | 10:26 |
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| ZogG | Venemo mece told me terrible things about you | 10:27 |
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| mece | O.o | 10:28 |
| ZogG | =) | 10:28 |
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| Venemo | really? | 10:29 |
| Venemo | mece, what things were those? | 10:29 |
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| mece | Venemo, no idea | 10:35 |
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| Venemo | ZogG, you liar | 10:37 |
| ZogG | =) | 10:38 |
| ZogG | Venemo, i want to teach you a lesson of life, you have to stop being naive and start being bad ass liek DocScrutinizer | 10:38 |
| ZogG | i know russian guy he doesn't know english and he is one of devs of gajim, he uses google translator for translations =) | 10:40 |
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| ZogG | isn't it awesome =) | 10:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer charges a 1uF to 10kV, shouts "CATCH!" and trows it at ZogG | 10:41 | |
| ZogG | can't touch me, lalalalallalala, can't touch me | 10:42 |
| * crashanddie_ sees the cap hit ZogG, and all of a sudden HE'S DANCING LIKE MC MOTHERFUCKING HAMMER | 10:43 | |
| ZogG | =) | 10:44 |
| crashanddie_ | Hahahahahahahahaaaaa | 10:44 |
| crashanddie_ | "Capitalism may be to blame for the lack of life on the planet Mars, Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday." | 10:44 |
| ZogG | howdy crashanddie | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL muhaha | 10:44 |
| crashanddie_ | ""I have always said, heard, that it would not be strange that there had been civilization on Mars, but maybe capitalism arrived there, imperialism arrived and finished off the planet," Chavez said in speech to mark World Water Day." | 10:44 |
| ZogG | i need ruskie, but he is ignoring me | 10:44 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/22/us-venezuela-chavez-mars-idUSTRE72L61D20110322?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 10:44 |
| Venemo | ~nuke ZogG for being not nice | 10:45 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ZogG for being not nice ... B☢☢M! | 10:45 | |
| crashanddie_ | ruskie, wake the fuck up | 10:45 |
| ZogG | i'm all attention today =) | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot Chavez to mars, so he can speak in front of proper audience | 10:45 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, what the fuck man, there are fucking kids here, so don't use this kind of lang | 10:45 |
| crashanddie_ | ZogG, oh, I'm sorry | 10:46 |
| crashanddie_ | Well, those little fucks had it coming, hadn't they? | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rape ZogG | 10:46 |
| * infobot takes ZogG behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 10:46 | |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/3435.jpg | 10:48 |
| ruskie | I'm not ignoring you | 10:48 |
| ZogG | ruskie you are, yes you are. than why do you try to fuck mr wallace liek a bitch? | 10:49 |
| ruskie | what? | 10:49 |
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| ZogG | nvr mind it's from pulp fiction | 10:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks the shout be a configurable "ulimit" for HTML page size (in bytes). For example it's a pretty bad idea to search on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog for common matchwords (like DocScrutinizer) | 10:50 | |
| ZogG | ruskie, have you got version of xmms2 client with separete lines info? | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, *there should* | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 10:50 |
| ruskie | ZogG, hmm nope... haven't had the time to mess with anything yet | 10:51 |
| ruskie | been rather busy the last few days | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just been lucky to always have an instance of system monitor running so I was able to kill the process | 10:52 |
| ZogG | ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb | 10:52 |
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| ZogG | ruskie there are few options | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...just around the time my desktop started to freeze | 10:53 |
| ZogG | ruskie or i make new option file ( but not right now) and you would be able to set the way how does it display ( like %artist - %title %new_line %album) | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a nice way to test swappolube on N900 as well ;-P | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and OOM | 10:55 |
| ZogG | but for now i would set it as it should be by default and as you are the only one using it except me, you should decide how to show info | 10:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles satanically while opening microB on t900 | 10:56 | |
| ZogG | t900? | 10:56 |
| ZogG | if onlyu mircoB was opensource | 10:56 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, btw i would need some explanation on code you did when you and i both have time, ok? | 10:57 |
| Venemo | ZogG, ok. | 10:58 |
| Venemo | I gotta go now | 10:58 |
| Venemo | bb | 10:58 |
| ruskie | ZogG, hmm no split between artist and title | 10:59 |
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| ZogG | ruskie wqhat you mean split? | 10:59 |
| ruskie | on separate line | 10:59 |
| ruskie | line1: title | 11:00 |
| ZogG | "—" | 11:00 |
| ruskie | line2: artist | 11:00 |
| ruskie | line3: album | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, now this might take some time | 11:00 |
| ZogG | oh | 11:00 |
| ZogG | you want them all to be separete lines? | 11:00 |
| ZogG | ruskie, are you sure, for now its line1: artist -title (in bold) line2: [album] | 11:00 |
| ruskie | yup I'm sure | 11:01 |
| ZogG | i want to do as well ["album" year] | 11:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer watches htop and giggles | 11:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 240 swp | 11:01 |
| ruskie | because long artist name - long track name means that it'll either scroll or be cut off and I don't like either | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 250 | 11:01 |
| ZogG | ruskie, ok, i'll change it, but i don't think it's an a good idea | 11:01 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, how long it can be? =) | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, already nonresponsive | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 317 | 11:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 380 | 11:03 |
| ruskie | ZogG, example: Protricity - Mega Man X Brainsick Metal OC ReMix | 11:03 |
| ZogG | hmm, how does other players handle it? | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, "internet page doesn't respond. Force closing it?" | 11:05 |
| ZogG | ruskie, ok and how do you want playlist? | 11:05 |
| ruskie | separate tab... with id - title - artist | 11:05 |
| ZogG | ok i think i'll do separete window with tabs | 11:06 |
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| ZogG | current|medialib|playlists| | 11:06 |
| ZogG | is it ok? | 11:06 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:07 |
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| ZogG | ok it would take sooome time i think =) | 11:07 |
| ZogG | ruskie portrait mode would be harder i think | 11:08 |
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| ruskie | I can live without portrait mode | 11:11 |
| ruskie | I don't actually use it anywhere | 11:11 |
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| ruskie | don't really see a point | 11:11 |
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| ruskie | you're going all out with the functionality I see ;) | 11:13 |
| ruskie | btw maybe add a volume control as well... | 11:13 |
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| * DocScrutinizer considers a queeenbeecon button with sudo killall browserd | 11:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the 430MB swap never got released even on forcing browser window to close | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall browserd recovered them in less than 5s | 11:17 |
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| ruskie | fun | 11:17 |
| ruskie | hmm need to take another look at queenbeecon... | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | htop && http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=joined | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to reproduce that | 11:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suggest running htop on a WLAN ssh | 11:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and s/joined/and/ | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: I'm more a fan of desktop cmdline execution widget. Less fancy chrome, much easier to config | 11:21 |
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| ruskie | yeah I use that as well | 11:22 |
| ruskie | I looked at qbc but didn't really see much of a prob... | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all those background png and colors and whatnot, yay | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | took me like 30min to tailor it to show a simple recangular unicolor button | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | without freakin honeygold background and whatnot else | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then you can't copy/clone a button | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for 2nd button all the same procedure again :-S | 11:26 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, of course it took you that long to make a rectangle! | 11:26 |
| lcuk | isn't beecon still oriented towards hexagons? | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes :-( | 11:26 |
| lcuk | that is not such a problem tis certainly novel | 11:27 |
| lcuk | and fingerable | 11:27 |
| * lcuk greatly admires that aspect of beecon :) | 11:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and pukable | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like **beeeeep** | 11:28 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: Did jacekowski ever elaborate on this "DocScrutinizer: but it looks like you may get that data with just at interface"? | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope :-P | 11:30 |
| neal | is he under an NDA or something? | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just like me, lots of info collected in his head, but no reference footnotes for citation | 11:31 |
| korhojoa | damnit. there's something wrong with my phone | 11:31 |
| korhojoa | whenever it's run out of battery | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it shuts down | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | !!1!!! | 11:32 |
| korhojoa | it takes three pushes of the power button before it gets to the pin code | 11:32 |
| korhojoa | YES OH MY GOD YOU ARE CORRECT | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 11:32 |
| korhojoa | now, do you know how to make it boot in one press instead of three? | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happens on the frist two? | 11:33 |
| korhojoa | It lights up, gives me the nokia logo, sometimes even the balls, but then it just goes *vibrate* *off* | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nasty | 11:33 |
| korhojoa | yup | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfi | 11:33 |
| korhojoa | I'm going to try reflashing it once, see what happens | 11:33 |
| korhojoa | if it still keeps doing this, i'm going to RMA my phone, and hope for the best, since I don't want it to crap out during something important | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: ever tried to sit it out? | 11:34 |
| korhojoa | sit it out? it turns off after the pushes | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. press once, wait what's going to happen | 11:34 |
| korhojoa | i pressed once | 11:34 |
| korhojoa | waited for 15 minutes | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's definitely long enough :-D | 11:35 |
| korhojoa | all it did was turn on for 30 seconds and then just go off again | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird shit | 11:35 |
| korhojoa | so now i know it takes two minutes to boot my phone if it's had it's battery emptied at some point | 11:35 |
| korhojoa | it's not a power low issue, since i leave it to charge before i attempt booting it up | 11:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's been my next question | 11:36 |
| korhojoa | this is when it's connected to charger or computer, both result in the same behavior | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | amber flashing? | 11:36 |
| korhojoa | yes, normal charging | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 11:36 |
| korhojoa | i've tried looking at the boot reasons, but since i can't get to them when it fails, eh. | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | very old worn battery? | 11:37 |
| korhojoa | brand new | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 11:37 |
| korhojoa | i got a replacement phone and everything when the microusb died | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash :-P | 11:37 |
| ruskie | hmm I can never got my phone to boot when connectetd via usb | 11:37 |
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| ruskie | al/ways need no disconnect | 11:37 |
| ruskie | then wait for it to boot into that minimal system | 11:38 |
| ruskie | and then I am able to boot it up | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh | 11:38 |
| ruskie | I see it does booting since I have fbcon | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you give me ideas. | 11:38 |
| ruskie | for? | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: you got multiboot? or backupmenu? uBoot? | 11:39 |
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| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer, backupmenu | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 11:39 |
| korhojoa | it sometimes shows up, sometimes not | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: kbd slider closed on boot? | 11:39 |
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| korhojoa | when closed, doesn't show up | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | correct | 11:40 |
| korhojoa | when open, only sure appearance is on the third one | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, you got fb? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | fb-enabled kernel?? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, that's been ruskie | 11:41 |
| crashanddie_ | is it just me, or does the chromium icon look like a pokeball? | 11:41 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer, me? | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: fb is known to mess up boot & shutdown | 11:41 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, well for me it works well enough ;) | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, paint it red, collect em all! | 11:42 |
| korhojoa | what's the fb kernel for? | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | framebuffer? | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | boot console msgs | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | it only reboots the system a max of 3 times, then it boots up correctly :) | 11:43 |
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| korhojoa | MohammadAG, i know that, but was wondering what it does | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 11:43 |
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| MohammadAG | more like it delays boot, and that little bar of battery you want to use for an emergency call won't hold up :P | 11:44 |
| korhojoa | :D | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | <yawn> | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no more emergency calls nowadays - you're on your own | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | meh, need to find someone else to prank then | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2014 they scrap 911 | 11:45 |
| ruskie | for emergency calls I'd still use a plain old cheapest longest standby possible nokia phone | 11:46 |
| ruskie | infact I need to buy one of those el-cheapo ones to have in the car | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | which you don't have when an emergency happens | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: disconnect battery | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't last when inserted | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG | I'd use something that has GPS that can be remotely turned on :P | 11:47 |
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| MohammadAG | so... | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | how does one recover a lost, possibly changed by someone else, password when the security question is wrong ... | 11:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: On what service? | 11:49 |
| MohammadAG | Windows Live | 11:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's not mine, just helping out a friend who got their fb and WL passwords changed | 11:50 |
| ruskie | prove them you are you | 11:50 |
| MohammadAG | Tried to, that didn't help :P | 11:50 |
| ruskie | send scans of a bunch of personal data | 11:50 |
| SpeedEvil | If microsoft was in the UK, I'd - if there was no other way - file a subject access request under the data protection act, to get them to reveal my password. | 11:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or the hashed password, if that's all they have, then john it. | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | but they're not :) | 11:52 |
| nidO | do they have a secondary email acct, or phone number, linked to the account? | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | no | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | I linked my email for customer support | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | a day later they sent me this, most probably an automated response | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | Unfortunately, we could not verify the Windows Live ID account ownership using the information you provided. | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | and some recommendations | 11:53 |
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| ruskie | I think providing some older passwords and any email addys used could help | 11:54 |
| ruskie | and any other info that was actually on the account | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | I did provide as much as I could | 11:54 |
| ruskie | after, I seriously recommend closing all accounts permanently ;) | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | password, contacts, etc | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | but seriously, how can someone else change a password without all this, and the real owner can't get the password reset | 11:55 |
| ruskie | hack | 11:56 |
| ruskie | social hack | 11:56 |
| ruskie | guesswork | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (john) LOL | 11:56 |
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| nidO | changing password just needs the existing password. not knowing the password needs an alternate method of identifying yourself. if your guy didnt do any of the several things the acct lets you do to secondarily identify himself, hes made it much harder for himself to get the acct back. | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | when the account got hacked, all those secondary measures are mot | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | moot | 11:58 |
| ruskie | no because they keep the history | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure? | 11:58 |
| ruskie | yes | 11:58 |
| nidO | not really, changing password only changes password. you need to also know the secret question answer to change that | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | then that's no problem | 11:58 |
| nidO | and they log all previous secondary email addresses | 11:58 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, tell 'em it's a good time to switch to gmail anyhow | 11:58 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, most of the web services have a) if you delete data we can't guarantee that it's gone | 11:59 |
| ruskie | so either backups or history | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, they did, but they need their messages back | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | work and stuff | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | they will answer GFO | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | their BOFH admin will, for sure | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | ruskie, how, the security question gets locked after 5 attempts for another day | 12:00 |
| ruskie | MohammadAG, ? | 12:00 |
| ruskie | how what? | 12:00 |
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| MohammadAG | "guesswork" | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | "WUT!? restore a password file from backup, for an idiot user?? C'MON!" | 12:00 |
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| nidO | MohammadAG: if your guy had a stupidly easy secret question/answer, 5 guesses would be plenty | 12:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, BOLLOCKS. | 12:03 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, They didn't have work stuff on Windows Live. | 12:03 |
| crashanddie_ | And if they did, they deserved to lose it. | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fb!! even worse | 12:04 |
| nidO | just as much as they do if they put it on gmail instead | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though I admit I got NFC what' WL) | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | fb was ironically easier to recover | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, you've never been to israel have you? | 12:04 |
| crashanddie_ | I have | 12:04 |
| crashanddie_ | not | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | <yawn> | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | then you don't know how even big companies can be using windows live :P | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hit them again for that | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 12:06 |
| infobot | i heard xyawn is nice coffee | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nice | 12:07 |
| infobot | methinks nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | try again! | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 12:07 |
| infobot | good coffee | 12:07 |
| korhojoa | ~xeyes | 12:09 |
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| korhojoa | ~boring | 12:09 |
| infobot | yes, you are korhojoa | 12:09 |
| mece | LOL | 12:09 |
| korhojoa | :< | 12:09 |
| korhojoa | ~naughty | 12:11 |
| infobot | Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! | 12:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels like exploiting ~weather | 12:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 12:14 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.03.23 0950 UTC; Dew Point: 37 F (3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.65 in. Hg (1038 hPa); Relative Humidity: 54%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 53 F (12 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NNE (020 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) (direction variable) | 12:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet downtown it's even 3° higher | 12:15 |
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| korhojoa | ~weather HEL | 12:17 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "HEL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 12:17 |
| ruskie | ~weather LJLJ | 12:17 |
| infobot | Ljubljana / Brnik, Slovenia; (LJLJ) 46-13N 014-29E 362M; last updated: 2011.03.23 1000 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.53 in. Hg (1034 hPa); Relative Humidity: 46%; Temperature: 51 F (11 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT) (direction variable) | 12:17 |
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| korhojoa | ~weather EFVA | 12:18 |
| infobot | Vaasa, Finland; (EFVA) 63-03N 021-46E; last updated: 2011.03.23 0950 UTC; Dew Point: 23 F (-5 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 64%; Temperature: 33 F (1 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (260 degrees) at 16 MPH (14 KT) (direction variable); Windchill: 23 F (-5 C) | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so to quote http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes : ITS FUCKING ....ALRIGHT Better than a sharp stick in the eye. | 12:18 |
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| korhojoa | :D | 12:20 |
| korhojoa | apparently, I need to: "Call your local travel agency and ask them if they're serious." | 12:20 |
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| ruskie | korhojoa, did they tell you that your next dirt cheap vacation for under 10 eur you'll need to walk to the destination on your own? | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, you're going to clean out SFPs at FUKU for leisure | 12:22 |
| ZogG | ~weather TLV | 12:24 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "TLV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 12:24 |
| ZogG | ~weather TA | 12:24 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "TA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 12:24 |
| ruskie | ZogG, it's an ICAO code... usually the nearest airport | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and nobody knows ICAO | 12:24 |
| ZogG | ~weather LLSD | 12:25 |
| infobot | Tel Aviv / Sde-Dov Airport, Israel; (LLSD) 32-06-53N 034-46-56E; last updated: 2011.03.23 0950 UTC; Dew Point: 57 F (14 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 64 F (18 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Towering cumulus clouds observed; Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 18 MPH (16 KT) | 12:25 |
| ZogG | ; Relative Humidity: 77% | 12:25 |
| ZogG | lol | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lesser lysergacid dietylamine? | 12:25 |
| ZogG | ? | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | LLSD | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | in US it should be called LAD | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not LSD | 12:27 |
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| lolcat | Hello | 12:27 |
| ZogG | how do they even create those code | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | like it's DNA, not DNS | 12:27 |
| lolcat | I got my phone back! :D | 12:27 |
| ZogG | xs | 12:27 |
| ZogG | s | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sx | 12:27 |
| ZogG | lolcat, lol | 12:27 |
| ZogG | lolcat, cat | 12:27 |
| lolcat | "Serviced by Arvato. Main fault serviced: Mechanical failure" | 12:28 |
| ZogG | wht those etters stand for? | 12:28 |
| lolcat | Wonder wtf that means | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | see wiki | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | first is military/civil airport afaik, at least for Europe | 12:28 |
| ZogG | lolcat, the watch in n900 is mechanic and it's not fixebale | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the rest is random | 12:29 |
| lolcat | ZogG: Well, they say they fixed the mechanical failure | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's automatic watch, you need to shake | 12:29 |
| lolcat | One more reboot-loop (or issue resemblancing reboot-loop) and I get my money back | 12:29 |
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| ruskie | we have LJLJ and LJMB atleast... the first LJ is where the flight control for the area is and the second is basically the airport specification that goes under that flight control | 12:29 |
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| ZogG | lolcat do it | 12:29 |
| ruskie | we're small so we only have one flight control area | 12:30 |
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| Corsac | ~weather lfpb | 12:30 |
| infobot | Paris / Le Bourget, France; (LFPB) 48-58N 002-27E 65M; last updated: 2011.03.23 1000 UTC; Dew Point: 41 F (5 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.65 in. Hg (1038 hPa); Relative Humidity: 58%; Temperature: 55 F (13 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (040 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) (direction variable) | 12:30 |
| ZogG | we have 2 international airports in whole country and mostly one in use | 12:30 |
| ZogG | second is almost not usable | 12:31 |
| ZogG | i mean civil ones | 12:31 |
| ZogG | and i think we have 2 more that are incountry flies | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icao#Codes_registered_with_ICAO | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, ICAN was predecessor of ICAO | 12:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer watches an incountry fly hum by | 12:36 | |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, you are computer | 12:43 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer is machine | 12:43 |
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| lolcat | It seams I have a new internal battery! :D | 13:04 |
| lolcat | I hate how they flash my phone every time though | 13:07 |
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| ZogG | lolcat you mean internal the one that is builtin | 13:12 |
| lolcat | Yes | 13:12 |
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| lolcat | The one that keeps the clock | 13:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Heh; replaced mine myself with a supercap as one of you guys suggested | 13:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Seems to work... though replacing it was a pain. | 13:13 |
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| FedoraUser | hi guys | 13:15 |
| FedoraUser | i have simple question | 13:15 |
| FedoraUser | is it possible to add same widget on more than one desktop | 13:16 |
| FedoraUser | (talking about n900) | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, there's a line to add in the .desktop file | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | can't remember it right now *checks hildon-home code* | 13:22 |
| andre__ | FedoraUser, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5371#c11 | 13:23 |
| povbot | Bug 5371: Allow same shortcut to be used on multiple home screen desktops | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | X-Multiple=true | 13:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Adding that to the .desktop file of a widget allows multiple additions | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | the files are in /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/ | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: one of you guys == DocScrutinizer | 13:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, thought so | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG++ | 13:32 |
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| MohammadAG | does this look wrong to anyone? painter->drawPixmap(r.x() + ((r.width()/2)-(128/2)), r.y(), 128, 128, thumbnail); | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | what is that supposed to do | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | center a thumbnail | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | or paint it centered | 13:48 |
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| MohammadAG | r would be the widget I'm centering the image in | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | and it's part of a grid | 13:49 |
| FedoraUser | thanks MohammadAG andre__ ! | 13:49 |
| andre__ | np | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | yw :) | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 13:50 |
| FedoraUser | i am not sure i should meddle but shouldn't it be - instead of + | 13:50 |
| FedoraUser | ? | 13:50 |
| frals | MohammadAG: the Y coordinate looks a bit off no? | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: 5 parameters? | 13:50 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, r.y() is off? | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, sec | 13:50 |
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| frals | isnt that gonna paint it at the top? | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | (yes, but sec) | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | void drawPixmap ( int x, int y, int width, int height, const QPixmap & pixmap )? | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | frals, yeah | 13:51 |
| frals | so thats not centered then ;) | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qpainter.html#drawPixmap-9 | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | frals, horizontally :) | 13:51 |
| frals | well say that then ;p | 13:51 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, you should know I'm working on a media player clone :P | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it should work | 13:52 |
| frals | yeah but what container you are painting in ;) | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | cool, now to figure out why the text is messed up | 13:52 |
| frals | +no idea somewhere there | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | frals, video window, it's a grid of items | 13:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I should consider using icon size instead of the hardcoded value | 13:53 |
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| Venemo | hey MohammadAG, what's up? | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | hi Venemo | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: could you check http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Desktop_file_format&diff=42794&oldid=42249 | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, :) | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't X-App-Loading-Image documented? | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG | I think it's either not there or = none | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | I meant it's either not in the .desktop file or X-App-Loading-Image=none | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 14:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This architecture discussion is so juicy. | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sakari in response to Arjan: "Just to be clear, Nokia members of the MeeGo architecture team where not involved in these latest decisions of the MeeGo architecture direction (MSSF/Buteo/PIM)." | 14:39 |
| ruskie | fun | 14:39 |
| alterego | I'm slightly annoyed they're dropping tracker .. | 14:39 |
| ruskie | are they replacing it or actually dropping it? | 14:40 |
| alterego | evolution, is crap :( | 14:40 |
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| alterego | Well, I think it's going to be there for media, but this is specific to contacts. | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ruskie: moving to EDS. | 14:40 |
| ruskie | ugh | 14:41 |
| alterego | Point is, it screws up mobility and seaside (i think) | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the big problem seems to be that the Intel-side of the architecture team (i.e., Arjan) just came out and said. "We're switching to these things!" | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turns out the governance model wasn't followed at all | 14:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's all rather a mess. | 14:47 |
| lardman | The whole "discussion" is indeed rather a mess | 14:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well, makes for great reading. | 14:47 |
| lardman | I wonder if they realise the effect they are having, or perhaps would-be device manufacturers don't really care that there's no agreement about core components...? | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/2i9se4i.jpg thoughts? | 14:48 |
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| MohammadAG | (Stock N900 sample songs) | 14:48 |
| ruskie | maybe they'll figure it out before they actually manage to sink the boat... | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me rather nostalgic for Maemo days, actually. | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: looks fine to me. | 14:49 |
| lardman | perhaps, they've managed to bail water the wrong way for quite some time now | 14:49 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: agreed | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, that's the open source clone :) | 14:49 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: same, looks fine, but where are the 3D shadows, etc.? ;) | 14:49 |
| ruskie | lol | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: Bail? Try to use a boat as a submarine, more-like. | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, I'm planning a QML coverflow for the fun of it :) | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're trying to torpedo the Germans. | 14:49 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: cool | 14:50 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: :) | 14:50 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: and forgot to open the torpedo tube doors from the looks of it | 14:50 |
| ruskie | I don't really see a point for EDS or tracker frankly | 14:52 |
| GAN900 | Turning into Mutiny on the Bounty. | 14:52 |
| lardman | Well without any hw that it actually runs adequately on, it's all not that relevant anyway | 14:52 |
| lardman | once a new Nokia device comes out, or the N900 effort is usable that will change things in terms of my overall interest | 14:53 |
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| lardman | or indeed when I find the time to get the Tab kernel updated | 14:53 |
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| ruskie | once they actually come up with a usable gui that isn't a direct rip-off of ios/android/symbian I might become interested | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I ried X-Multiple=true; seems it doesn't work as expected | 14:54 |
| lardman | direct rip off is fine, as long as it actually works | 14:54 |
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| ruskie | as for what runs in the background... use direct raw data or basic sqlite dbs and be done with it... then anyone can hook into them if so wanted and do whatever... | 14:55 |
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| lardman | well there is something to be said for abstracting away some of the basics | 14:55 |
| alterego | tracker is good, allows better data integration. RDF ftw. | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: are you sure this X-Multiple isn't about multiple concurrent running instances? | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, widgets, not application shortcuts | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 14:56 |
| ruskie | I wonder when Minimal-eeGo will come around... | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure, multiple app shortcuts are higher nonsense | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-home | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except of course on separate desktops | 14:57 |
| lardman | ruskie: I wish they'd just settle on something and indeed get the default apps and interface working | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, probably needs a modded hildon-home | 14:59 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/23/lse_media_studies/ <-- hmm | 15:02 |
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| GAN900 | Always with the flailing about. | 15:04 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 15:05 |
| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/23/nanotech_super_charge_battery/ <-- interesting | 15:05 |
| GAN900 | There must be some fun at-work conversations flying around at both companies. | 15:05 |
| lardman | :) | 15:05 |
| TheJ | has anyone tried the spotme app in devel? | 15:06 |
| GAN900 | I'm just floored to see architecture decisions coming down as dictates from the mountain top from half the team. | 15:06 |
| lardman | quite | 15:06 |
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| lardman | though the fact Nokia haven't got their act together to add someone to the board is a little odd | 15:06 |
| GAN900 | People who want to end copyright are fools. | 15:07 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia's board and management combine for ultimate fail. | 15:07 |
| TheJ | sounds interesting, but im not sure is it safe to install. the documenting is a bit too little for me.. | 15:07 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa is right, though, that's hardly justification for Intel to treat the Nokians involved like they are. | 15:08 |
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| lardman | oh quite, I certainly think the Intel pronouncements and general pissed-off-ness are off | 15:08 |
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| GAN900 | It's fun seeing the true colors come out, however. | 15:10 |
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| * lardman would like to just see some hw come out | 15:11 | |
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| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 15:11 |
| GAN900 | 2011s got some high technology on the way | 15:11 |
| lardman | sure has | 15:11 |
| GAN900 | and we're still stuck in 2009 | 15:11 |
| ruskie | GAN900, well atleast to reduce copyright duration to a same level... that atleast I think you can agree with... | 15:12 |
| lardman | indeed | 15:12 |
| E0x | N900 hardware is like 2010 | 15:12 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, oh completely. | 15:12 |
| ruskie | erm s/same/sane/ | 15:12 |
| GAN900 | 20 years. | 15:12 |
| E0x | Nokia way of thinking from 1983 | 15:12 |
| GAN900 | No exceptions or extensions. | 15:12 |
| GAN900 | E0x, 2009. | 15:12 |
| ruskie | I'd go with extension if copyright is for a real person not a company | 15:12 |
| ruskie | one time only extension | 15:13 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, violation penalties are out of hand. | 15:13 |
| ruskie | the original copyright was 14 years with one time extension for a total 28... | 15:13 |
| GAN900 | But the reactionary folks who want to get everybody else's works for free are fools. | 15:13 |
| GAN900 | Copyright enrichens the public domain. | 15:14 |
| ruskie | sane copyright duration enrichens the public domain | 15:14 |
| ruskie | 50 years and beyond is just insane | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, my issue with personal extensions is that it adds too much legalease and complication. | 15:15 |
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| ruskie | true | 15:15 |
| ruskie | can agree with that | 15:15 |
| E0x | how is perfom of laste Firefox in n900? | 15:16 |
| E0x | vs microb | 15:16 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/23/jig_jig_can_kill/ <-- hehe | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sorry, I can't duplicate that X-Multiple, even for widgets | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please can you elaborate which file to edit to achieve what exactly? | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm killing the wrong process? | 15:20 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, edit /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/mediaplayerhomeapplet.desktop | 15:23 |
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| MohammadAG | add X-Multiple=true, nothing else needs to be changed | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | then save, exit, killall hildon-home | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | fyi, killing it a lot resets widgets to safe list | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ok, thanks. works like announced | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's X-Multiple-instance? | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG | no idea, noticed it | 15:32 |
| markinfo | how to set default browser on maemo5 ? I have installed Firefox but url links from mail klient and from Pidgin calls still this internal browser. | 15:34 |
| ruskie | browser-switchboard | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo.O | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's browser-switchboard? A n app? | 15:38 |
| timeless_xchat | a disaster | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess it depends on URL-handlers set in .desktop files | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm biased while editing wiki about .desktop ;-D | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | markinfo: http://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler/API_rev2 (unless timeless_xchat hollers) | 15:41 |
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| markinfo | I have installed browser-switchboard changed to other Browser and it works (after restart). | 15:55 |
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| chem|st | .oO(another happy user) | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ( probably needs a modded hildon-home ) sounds like a great mini-project for CSSU | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: emphasis on 'user' | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ...though I guess usually you'll get away with QB widgets acting as .desktop app shortcuts | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, guess so | 16:07 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: right but don't forget that we try to make 'everybody' 'happy'^^ | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: that'S why I suggested to actually implement it into CSSU hildon-home | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hildon-desktop? | 16:11 |
| chem|st | yes, a proper handler for default camera - browser - email - 'and so on' | 16:12 |
| chem|st | and none of them | 16:12 |
| chem|st | hildon-home is desktops | 16:13 |
| chem|st | hildon-desktop is on top of the actual 'top' | 16:13 |
| chem|st | and behind | 16:13 |
| chem|st | weird... | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no particular rationale in forbidding addition of several identical app shortcuts. You probably just need to bracket a few lines with a if (! get_config_key("X-Multiple", BOOLEAN){ } | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and get_config_key() obviously would check the .desktop in /usr/share/applications/hildon rather than .../hildon-home | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | which it does anyway | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | in that context of adding app shortcuts | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe you need to take care to make some unique identifiers for e.g gconf keys, or wherever the shortcuts are stored | 16:21 |
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| GAN900 | Bored. Want more exciting mail threads. | 16:42 |
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| toggles | ~csu | 16:49 |
| toggles | ~wtf | 16:49 |
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| Jaffa | toggles: ~cssu | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | ~cssu | 16:52 |
| infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Indeed. | 16:53 |
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| timeless_n8 | Hello world | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_n8, which IRC app are you using? | 16:57 |
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| toggles | Jaffa: grazie, i googled, was feeling lazy.. | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | Really is Maemo all over again. The threads just trickle down to nothing without anything meaningful getting accomplished. | 17:13 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: there's such a thing as ctcp version ;) | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, most mobile apps don't support it | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | at least on symbian | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | lol, mIRGGI | 17:17 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | hi, how do I edit my n900's list of wireless networks? | 17:17 |
| tzafrir_laptop | There are two ad-hoc networks that keep show up on top everywhere, just because I happen to use them once | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | tzafrir, settings internet connections. | 17:18 |
| lolcat | I can't find bluemaemo | 17:20 |
| lolcat | I have extras and extras testing | 17:21 |
| OkropNick | anyone know what daemon responds for Calendar alarms trigerring? It's making me crazy when I miss remind. What should be restarted (i don't want to restart whole N900) | 17:25 |
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| OkropNick | is it alarmd? | 17:30 |
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| lardman | re | 17:39 |
| lardman | ah, another afternoon wasted doing bitty things | 17:40 |
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| lardman | I really wish I had an office so I could ignore people coming to ask me questions | 17:41 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, earplugs? | 17:48 |
| lardman | yeah, then they tap me on the shoulder | 17:48 |
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| lardman | and if I break their wrists I can hear them through the earplugs, so not a useful solution ;) | 17:49 |
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| GAN900 | Maybe you should mount a shotgun on the front of your desk. | 17:53 |
| Cor-Ai | with an quick reales! | 17:55 |
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| Cor-Ai | in case of an zombi invation! | 17:56 |
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| lolcat | The N900, can it act as a bluetooth headset? | 18:03 |
| OkropNick | I think that I've found this little bastard. After restarting hildon-sv-notification-daemon all calendar alarms (reminders) are working again, so there is no need to restart whole N900 to make them working again :) | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | OkropNick: nice find. what's the problem it solves? | 18:05 |
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| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: it's resolving problem with calendar alarms. after '/etc/init.d/hildon-sv-notification-daemon restart' calendar alarms are working again without need to reboot N900. I'll put it to fcrom. | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OkropNick: if the process fails frequently, I suggest starting it via dsme | 18:07 |
| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: any hints? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dsmetool --help | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | OkropNick, I don't even have that file | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | what's NB#116766? | 18:10 |
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| OkropNick | MohammadAG: which file you heven't: dsmetool or hildon-sv-notification-daemon? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a nokiabug? | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-sv-notification-daemon | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, need the description | 18:12 |
| OkropNick | strange, I'll search what is that | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ps|grep hildon-sv | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | I meant the init script | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, me neither | 18:14 |
| OkropNick | MohammadAG: sorry, my mistake | 18:16 |
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| OkropNick | MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer : it is not service, after kill -9 of hildon-sv-notification-daemon which is here /usr/bin/hildon-sv-notification-daemon all this program was restarted and all calendar reminds started to working again | 18:17 |
| OkropNick | many typos, sorry | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | then it's started by dsmetool by default | 18:18 |
| OkropNick | but I'm hapy that I know what to restart | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | OkropNick: I'd appreciate when you'd find out where it hangs, so we could fix the root cause. Maybe you can do a full ps, even a strace and/or attach gdb, then bt | 18:21 |
| OkropNick | I will be glad, but I don't know how to debug, need some help. I'm just PHP coder | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | np, but only later, I'm almost biking ATM | 18:23 |
| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: can you write some sh script that I can run in background to catch this error? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'll ping you | 18:23 |
| OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: ok | 18:23 |
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| OkropNick | not kill -9 hildon-sv-notification-daemon but killall hildon-sv-notification-daemon - I have fever today, ehhh - many mistakes... | 18:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess I should read over the TSG logs from the last meeting. | 18:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have as much faith as Carsten seems to about Imad addressing the arch discussion. | 18:48 | |
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| macmaN | whazup allz | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ?? | 18:53 |
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| macmaN | can someone enlighten what it would take to make firefox start up somewhere near as quickly as microb does, even if just theoretically? just faster cpu could do it? how is microb so fast, what are they not doing? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | preloaded | 18:54 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: I have a hard time taking people saying that the "communication of the decision was excellent" serious on that list as well... | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Start firefox with a blank tab | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | At boot | 18:55 |
| frals | "sup guys we are switching most of the backends, we wont tell you why or based on what but now we are doing it" | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | frals: ?? | 18:56 |
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| frals | DocScrutinizer: meego-dev | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: you mean current? Or historical perspective? | 18:56 |
| macmaN | SpeedEvil: ive kept it open, but it still feels like it makes the phone lag too much, swapping or somesuch? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hope they switch for the better. esp things like sensorfw | 18:57 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: current | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | macmaN: yes, it probably does. You can kill microb though | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Oh joy. | 18:57 |
| * SpeedEvil has been here before. | 18:57 | |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: they decided to switch PIM backends mostly | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | (though my neo1973 was significantly less functional than the n900) | 18:57 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Just skip to 15:32. MeeGo governance wasn't on the agenda, and so was "dealt" with under AOB | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | frals: whatever, it's exactly this mindset and procedures that is pissing me off | 18:58 |
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| frals | DocScrutinizer: yeah... the architecture decisions should really be public | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: kill microb? hardly | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: DocScrutinizer: you can - kill it three times, and it stays dead. | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or am I confused again. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 18:59 |
| macmaN | :) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | prollly 10 times | 19:00 |
| macmaN | btw whats the recommended package to make camera key launch something | 19:00 |
| frals | and pray to god [diety of choice] its not guarded by watchdog? ;) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 19:00 |
| macmaN | i'm seeing shortcutd | 19:00 |
| Proteous | I could kill it 1000 times | 19:06 |
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| macmaN | awesome, shortcutd does exactly what i wanted | 19:09 |
| macmaN | and proximity sensor button is cool too | 19:10 |
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| korhojoa | argh | 19:25 |
| korhojoa | took me like five attempts to boot my phone just now | 19:25 |
| korhojoa | remember when i said that it's horrible at booting? | 19:26 |
| korhojoa | well, i recorded it | 19:26 |
| korhojoa | i had to go via backupmenu | 19:26 |
| ZogG | korhojoa send it to nokla | 19:26 |
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| korhojoa | ZogG, yeah, well. i've already gotten a phone back from nokia with the same amount of faults that i sent it in with | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | korhojoa: are these same faults or different ones? | 19:29 |
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| ZogG | say to them you want n950+ | 19:29 |
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| korhojoa | jacekowski, i sent it in with a torn off microusb, got one back with bright dots all over the screen | 19:30 |
| korhojoa | 'yay' | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | send it back again | 19:30 |
| korhojoa | also the camera lens is all messy | 19:30 |
| korhojoa | i'm just afraid i'll get something inferior back | 19:31 |
| korhojoa | ie, e7 or n8 or something | 19:31 |
| korhojoa | "whoops, sorry" | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | when I got mine back after they replaced a speaker, it was also all messy and had one key in the upper row with a weird tactile feedback | 19:31 |
| javispedro | that n900 never exited the repair center. | 19:32 |
| korhojoa | :D | 19:32 |
| macmaN | dont mean to interrupt, but is there way to assign long-press-zoom-keys to something | 19:32 |
| macmaN | a way* | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | next week I got back an _extremely_ cleaned up n900 with no keyboard problems whatsoever. | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | korhojoa: so yes, send it back again. | 19:32 |
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| korhojoa | javispedro, oh well. i hope i just get mine back | 19:35 |
| korhojoa | it took a month to get it back | 19:36 |
| korhojoa | and i don't understand why they kept the back cover as the old one | 19:36 |
| korhojoa | i don't see why | 19:36 |
| ZogG | korhojoa, javispedro they just mix the n900 sent to repair and sent back to other addresses | 19:37 |
| korhojoa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1jEQKk2YY | 19:37 |
| macmaN | i wonder is the proximity sensor going to fire all the time when the phone is in your pocket | 19:39 |
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| GAN900 | frals, if I'm not mistaked, I believe the governance docs concur. | 19:42 |
| korhojoa | wow. video quality on the 3710 fold is pretty bad | 19:42 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer51, did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu1jEQKk2YY | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? 7:30 of boredom? | 19:47 |
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| banan | hello can someone paste me "ls -l /dev | grep video" from maemo device ? | 19:55 |
| banan | my dev/video0 is gone and i want to try mknod a new one | 19:55 |
| joga | 81,2 video0 and 81,1 video1 | 19:56 |
| banan | ty | 19:56 |
| timeless_xchat | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 2 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video0 | 19:57 |
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| timeless_xchat | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video1 | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, isn't that supposed to get created by udev? | 19:59 |
| banan | cant help it if its gone | 19:59 |
| timeless_xchat | personally, i wouldn't try mknod | 19:59 |
| timeless_xchat | that's unlikely to dtrt tm | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't hurt | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | dtrt tm? | 20:00 |
| joga | udevadm trigger or such | 20:00 |
| timeless_xchat | reboot! | 20:00 |
| joga | nonsense! | 20:00 |
| joga | ;) | 20:00 |
| timeless_xchat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot | 20:01 |
| timeless_xchat | do the right thing | 20:01 |
| banan | well didnt work | 20:02 |
| * timeless_xchat is shocked | 20:02 | |
| banan | :p | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no video in /etc/udev/* | 20:02 |
| banan | where ecactly? | 20:03 |
| banan | to be clear i dont even know when it stopped working | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules:# video devices | 20:05 |
| banan | well i have some | 20:06 |
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| banan | and i suppose video4linux is the one | 20:06 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, really is too much of a pain to keep up with all the comms mwkn doesn't keep up with because they're too small or inappropriate. | 20:18 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Can cover inconsequential stuff as well | 20:27 |
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| * timeless_xchat sighs | 20:29 | |
| timeless_xchat | so, some idiot signed timeless@gmail up for mail from the ronald reagan library | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | unsubscribe? | 20:30 |
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| JakeS3 | hi | 20:30 |
| JakeS3 | any scratchbox gurus around | 20:30 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag : no | 20:30 |
| timeless_xchat | mailing lists should be fixed to not automatically add w/o sending a conf email and having a reply/click to confirm | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Most mailing lists are. | 20:31 |
| javispedro | ... specially when the email address matches *timeless* ;) | 20:32 |
| timeless_xchat | javispedro : sure, that'll work too ;) | 20:32 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, could, but it's tough to cover the gossipy stuff. | 20:36 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Depends how gossipy it is, and whether we can spin a line about importance. | 20:39 |
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| banan | just for the record, uninstalling fcam-drivers and rebooting solved missing /dev/video problem | 20:46 |
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| timeless_xchat | banan: thanks for that | 20:48 |
| chem|st | whoever that was with the battery... I can still show 0% 5mA discharging with bme readings... | 20:49 |
| chem|st | now for about 4 hours | 20:49 |
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| chem|st | ehrm ok no it shows flat since 18:30 | 20:50 |
| chem|st | in my time zone it is now 19:50 | 20:50 |
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| chem|st | tried several things while in that state... | 20:51 |
| chem|st | to actualy drain more power | 20:51 |
| JakeS3 | right.. so noone around - need to hack it myself | 20:51 |
| JakeS3 | :-) | 20:51 |
| chem|st | JakeS3: no gurus here... ask your question... | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, definitely need to see what we can synthesize about the whole arch and governance issue. | 21:03 |
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| Jarock | hello have a problem | 21:24 |
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| Jarock | I have deleted my root file system on the nokia n900 and I'm not on it what can I do? | 21:25 |
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| Venemo | Jarock, reflash | 21:26 |
| Venemo | ~flashing | 21:26 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:26 |
| Jarock | have a problem | 21:27 |
| Jarock | I can not flash because it says ra-51 not found | 21:28 |
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| Jarock | Image ‘secondary’, size 109440 bytes Valid for RX-51: 2201, 2202, 2203, 2204, 2205, 2206, 2207, 2208, 2209, 2 210, 2211, 2212, 2213, 2214, 2215, 2216 ... | 21:30 |
| Jarock | This message comes up in every image | 21:31 |
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| banan | paste terminal output somewhere and link it | 21:32 |
| Jarock | ok mom | 21:32 |
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| Jarock | http://pastebin.com/prNm3FXp | 21:34 |
| banan | this may sound like silly question but you do have n900 not some n800 right? | 21:37 |
| Jarock | i have n900 | 21:37 |
| banan | what other images have you tried? | 21:37 |
| Jarock | no, no other image've tried | 21:39 |
| Jarock | I'm sorry my english is not so good | 21:39 |
| banan | where are you from? | 21:39 |
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| Jarock | germany | 21:40 |
| banan | there is newer firmware than the one you tried | 21:40 |
| banan | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:41 |
| banan | try it | 21:41 |
| Jarock | ok I have another question | 21:42 |
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| banan | ask | 21:43 |
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| Jarock | is this image better: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13 2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:45 |
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| banan | yea you might need vanilla tho it will deleta all from your emmc | 21:46 |
| Jarock | I see a lot about Forum is thus often used ^^ | 21:46 |
| Jarock | ah okey | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | that isn't "better", both images serve a different purpose | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | one flashes rootfs, one flashes the eMMC | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | you needn't flash the eMMC unless you really messed up (in partitioning and such) | 21:47 |
| banan | he deleted his rootfs | 21:48 |
| banan | you never know what else | 21:48 |
| kwtm | Is "tset" available in maemo (for N900)? That's to set colours in the terminal window. | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 21:48 |
| Jarock | ah ok thanks | 21:48 |
| banan | he didnt say | 21:48 |
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| banan | jarock how did you delete the rootfs? | 21:48 |
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| Jarock | I've logged in root mode since then "cd / " (accidentally) I wanted to delete a read-only directory for this command "rm-rf" | 21:51 |
| Jarock | after 10 seconds everything was gone | 21:51 |
| banan | lol | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | oops. | 21:52 |
| banan | sorry but cant stop laughing ... these things always make me laugh | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, umm, I'd say reflash the eMMC too... | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | just make sure what's left is stuff you backed up | 21:53 |
| Jarock | flashing is not starting | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | which wouldn't be a lot since /home/user and /home/user/MyDocs are under /... | 21:53 |
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| MohammadAG | take out battery, plug USB, start flasher (it'll say device not found), put the battery back in | 21:54 |
| banan | and get the latest image, it'll save you updates | 21:54 |
| Jarock | ok mom | 21:54 |
| Jarock | lol windoof lol I have solved problem | 21:56 |
| Jarock | "-" must be entered manually copy-paste works by not | 21:57 |
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| Jarock | yeah it works thank you all | 21:58 |
| banan | gz | 21:59 |
| banan | but im guessing that youll still need emmc flashed first | 21:59 |
| banan | just remember to read that b4 you start http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 22:00 |
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| Jarock | ok bb lots have fun :-) | 22:02 |
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| kwtm | Is "tset" available in maemo (for N900)? That's to set colours in the terminal window. | 22:04 |
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| kwtm | I think I meant "tput". | 22:06 |
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| slonopotamus | so... | 22:13 |
| slonopotamus | n900 keyboard requires holding Fn key (blue arrow) to type some letters | 22:14 |
| slonopotamus | now the question is: how the hell i'm supposed to type capital letter that requires fn? | 22:14 |
| slonopotamus | and no, holding both fn and shift still produces lower case | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | what?? | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | you don't have to hold it | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | just press it and then press the other key | 22:15 |
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| slonopotamus | "it"? | 22:16 |
| Sc0rpius | the key | 22:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder what your language is because | 22:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have letters if I press the Fn, just symbols | 22:16 |
| slonopotamus | press/release fn, hold shift +press letter still gives lower case | 22:16 |
| slonopotamus | cyrillic, ю | 22:16 |
| Venemo | alterego, ping | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | oh dunno... | 22:17 |
| alterego | Venemo: pong | 22:17 |
| slonopotamus | on the right of space | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | press shift twice and then press fn and then the key | 22:17 |
| slonopotamus | holy crap | 22:17 |
| slonopotamus | it works that way, yep | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 22:18 |
| slonopotamus | and don't tell me that's userfriendly | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | I think if you press shift first, then Fn, and then they key, it'd also work | 22:18 |
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| slonopotamus | no | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | oh :( | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | well then you'd have to stick with the double shift press trick | 22:20 |
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| slonopotamus | for some bizzaire (spelling error?) reason, today was the first (in 1.5 years) day when i wanted to type capital Ю :) | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~spell bizzaire | 22:26 |
| infobot | possible spellings for bizzaire: bizarre Zaire bizarres buzzard Blaire buzzer brazier boozier bare barre bizarrely biliary blare braise bazaar | 22:26 |
| slonopotamus | s/air/ar/ | 22:26 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: for some bizzare (spelling error?) reason, today was the first (in 1.5 years) day when i wanted to type capital Ю :) | 22:26 |
| slonopotamus | oh, crap, one Z, two R :) | 22:27 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: 3:38h now at 0% 5mAh left (just to keep you postet how bad bme is in reality...) | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:11 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: how do I reset the battery calibration? | 23:11 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: wasnt it you mocking around with the bq i2c readings? | 23:11 |
| kerio | why didn't anyone port Osu to maemo yet? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | me and DocScrutinizer, mostly DocScrutinizer | 23:12 |
| chem|st | kerio: what is Osu | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | but he knows i2c, I don't | 23:12 |
| chem|st | then DocScrutinizer the above for you^^ | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | I just complain how my meter drops from 50% to 0 | 23:12 |
| kerio | chem|st: a clone of ouendan/elite beat agents/ouendan 2 for the pc | 23:12 |
| wmarone_ | ah ok, that explains "Osu" | 23:12 |
| chem|st | so how do I reset the battery? | 23:12 |
| chem|st | draining it dead does not help it... (that happened 2 charges ago by itself) | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | Are you running a mugen2400 or similar? | 23:15 |
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| ShadowJK | and what thing is reporting "0% 5nAh"? | 23:18 |
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| ShadowJK | mAh* | 23:19 |
| OkropNick | dOH! | 23:19 |
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| ShadowJK | if that's returned by bme, it's uncalibrateable | 23:25 |
| Macer | isn't there an oversized battery for an n900? | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | Yes | 23:25 |
| krayon | ShadowJK: Do you know where to get them on the Web? I've not had much luck. | 23:26 |
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| ShadowJK | krayon, http://www.google.com/m?q=extended+N900+battery | 23:27 |
| lolcat | krayon: there is abattery with more capacity that fits the original n900 | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | first hit http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 23:28 |
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| lolcat | How much is a external charger for the N900? | 23:31 |
| kerio | nobody answered me - why isn't there a port of Osu? | 23:32 |
| kerio | :( | 23:32 |
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| lolcat | krayon: THe price isn't really justifiable | 23:34 |
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| lolcat | krayon: You could have 10 batteries for that price | 23:39 |
| lcuk | lolcat, so a couple of weeks later he will have 11 flat batteries. | 23:39 |
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| lolcat | lcuk: He could have an external charger with room for two batteries | 23:42 |
| lcuk | is there a guide with really clear photos leading to the usb port online? | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | to let people work out for themselves if they could have a look/try at fixing them themselves | 23:43 |
| lcuk | afterall, we encourage OS level hacking :) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | why not hardware fixes too? | 23:44 |
| alterego | lcuk: sabotage seemed to get quite offended when I said I was writing my own dialer code :/ | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Because most people don't haver the soldering equipment or skills | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | alterego, I can understand that | 23:45 |
| alterego | lcuk: Maybe I should just work on their one. | 23:45 |
| Gh0sty | what do you want to fix on the hardware level? :/ | 23:45 |
| lcuk | alterego, :) sabotage has MUCH MUCH more experience in the dialer than you could grasp in a reasonable timeframe | 23:45 |
| alterego | Well, admittedly he knows the 3GPP specs better than I. But I pretty much know ofono off by heart now. | 23:46 |
| lcuk | you do need to work together properly, he has been doing the real dialer work now for years | 23:46 |
| lcuk | he knows what he is talking about, follow his lead rather than rushing ahead | 23:46 |
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| alterego | m'kay | 23:47 |
| alterego | btw, I'm talking to you hear because he's not here ;) | 23:47 |
| lcuk | I understand. | 23:47 |
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| alterego | Hurp, and my dialer code was looking so good | 23:49 |
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| bennypr0fane | Can you please help me, I can't install updates with either stock or faster application manager! | 23:51 |
| bennypr0fane | here is a log generated by fapman: http://pastebin.com/MsrBL2pX I can't make anything of it though. Qgvdial shows up several times, but though I know I installed it, it's not in the main menu and not in the list of installed items. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | alterego, the dialer as it stands has most of the wiring plumbed in and is not green code. | 23:51 |
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| alterego | :/ | 23:51 |
| lcuk | so to find the simplest way to linkup that with the qml frontend would be part of it | 23:51 |
| alterego | Well, the problem is there isn't much clear MVC seperation | 23:52 |
| alterego | ~separation. | 23:52 |
| alterego | There's a lot of intertwined MeeGo Touch crap | 23:52 |
| lcuk | alterego, talk to sabotage and the guys in handset | 23:52 |
| lcuk | there might be | 23:53 |
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