IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-03-20

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MacerShadowJK: i thought a 510 was still 32bit00:04
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Macer1.6GHz netbooks from dell are still 27900:05
Macerand it comes with all this win7 crap i would never use00:05
ShadowJKN510 is 1.5GHz dualcore (4 virtual cpus in total)00:05
jacekowskiMacer: so?00:05
Macerthe inspirion duo netbook/tablet thing looks neet.. but runs win700:05
jacekowskiMacer: win7 on it makes it cheaper00:06
sq-onewhich version of the Ovi Maps do I need for the n900? im running maemo 5.00:06
Macerheh00:06
jacekowskiMacer: it's subsidized by companies that pay to install demo versions of their software00:06
Macerdoes it?00:06
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Maceryuck00:06
jacekowskiMacer: so in fact you get windows for free00:06
ShadowJKsq-one, it doesn't matter because you can't install or upgrade the included one00:06
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sq-oneShadowJK: hmm im trying to download the map files and store them in /home/user/cities/diskcache.00:09
ShadowJKah00:10
jacekowskisq-one: use ovi suite00:11
sq-oneI downloaded the map files for version 3.0.6 and copied them into that folder. When I know start this map application it just quits during the startup00:11
Macerjacekowski: i would rather not get it for free and install kubuntu on it :)00:11
sq-oneim running linux00:11
Macerbut either way. they are selling single core atoms for 279 still00:11
Macernetbooks should be comign down in price :)00:12
jacekowskiMacer: you can get it like it is and install kubuntu on it00:12
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Macerjacekowski: i would rather get it for what it is really worth and install kubuntu on a barebones one ;)00:12
Macerlet me see how much i can find one for00:12
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jacekowskiit would cost you at best same possibly more00:14
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compengiis maemo's destiny still undecided? i keep reading blogs, posts, wikis and the more i read the more i get confused. is everything actually that unclear from nokia's development side? they seem to support meego along with intel. the last i've read, is that meego is set to be a developer version on n900, great! what's the end product?!00:31
alteregocompengi: it's decidedly dead, what's the confusion?00:32
alteregoBe sure to check dates of blog posts too :P00:32
MohammadAGcongrats to the new council00:32
compengi:/00:33
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Macerjacekowski: heh. i am just saying they are overpriced00:40
Macerthey are not following normal marketing rules00:40
Macerthe hardware is dated and not reducing00:41
Macerin price :)00:41
Maceri mean cmon. it has been years since netbooks came out and a dell single core 1.6GHz atom for 279?00:41
Maceri will look around to see if i can get something else that doesn't suck heh00:41
Maceri wanted a netbook but those dells sure in hell aren't worth it00:42
compengialterego, so Meego is the future on n900?00:44
GAN900compengi, we don't know yet.00:48
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compengiwhy nokia drops it's support for an OS it has put an effort and money on it? isn't that a waste of time and money? what kind of marketing business are they running, self-destructive? why other companies like apple, google, windows etc.. take 1 project and work on it till the end and nokia fails?00:49
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SpeedEvilThe hope when the decision was made is basically it'll result in more profit later.00:50
SpeedEvilI question this.00:50
Sc0rpiusMeego is dead00:51
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pupnikn900 is so awesome00:52
* alterego sighs00:52
Sc0rpiusit is, but only if it's running Maemo00:52
alteregoAt least we have MeeGo ..00:52
MohammadAGSc0rpius, any progress on tree view mode's MR? :)00:52
pupnikgemrb is nearing a new release00:52
compengiSpeedEvil, Yeah.. Exactly! I don't know where they stand and what they are doing.. Look at other companies like Google, they bring something and keep that up. That's why everybody wants to have it on their smart phones, but everybody maybe knows Nokia i guess..00:53
Sc0rpiushmm well yeah I was merging with my master branch and also preparing to request the modifications of tinymail first00:53
Macerwtf happened to dell laptops00:53
Sc0rpiussince it won't run without that00:53
Sc0rpiuswell it will run, but it will crash heh00:53
Macerthe xps laptops used t obe almost as awesome as old thinkpads00:53
Macernow they are cheap made in china trash00:53
compengiSpeedEvil, They keep using this outdated Symbian OS that's have been on the phones since the early 90's :/00:55
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SpeedEvilyeah00:56
compengiThey don't like to compete I guess00:56
pupnikyou complain about nokia not sticking with an operating system00:56
pupnikthen you complain about nokia sticking with an operating system00:56
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compengipupnik, no, i complain about nokia not willing to support it's newest os for something outdated00:59
pupnikhow do you know symbian is outdated?00:59
compengibecause it never tried to compete with the newest smart phones and yet they still use it01:00
compengiand try to modify it and bring multi-touch in it lol01:01
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pupnikhave you used the N8?01:03
compengiinstead of working really on something worth it01:03
compengiit's still not out afaik01:03
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MohammadAGo_O01:04
pupnikaside from some stability issues it seems like a functional, contemporary phone OS01:04
MohammadAGThe N8's been out since like September01:04
MohammadAGor before that01:04
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pupnikstill nothing beats maemo01:12
compengipupnik, i totally agree with you. that's why i'm pissed off01:12
pupnikmhm me too01:13
pupniknokia still can deliver a meego/maemo phone and license the accelerated dalvik vm for it01:13
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pupnikso we get our true linux stuff and people who want google services and other online services can get that from android01:14
pupnikmake a bigger version of the e701:14
SpeedEvilWith a licenced copy of the useful libs for wine-701:16
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Venemoif there are Star Trek and/or Star Wars fans here, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA401:18
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ZogGwoke up of bad dream01:25
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ZogGVenemo, btw i have a question01:25
Venemoyea ZogG, I'm listening01:25
ZogGVenemo if there are 2 databases01:26
ZogGhow do yo do syncing01:26
ZogGi mean you can up one to eachother and so on01:26
ZogGbut how you updtae only needed parts01:26
ZogGtheoretriclly01:26
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ZogGyou track of last update or how?01:26
VenemoZogG, depends on the situation01:27
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ZogGVenemo ?01:27
VenemoZogG, so you want to synchronize two different databases, storing what?01:28
ZogGyes01:28
VenemoZogG, storing what?01:28
ZogGstorying abything01:28
ZogGnotes01:28
Venemookay, but do you mean the same kind of data?01:28
ZogGcalendar e g01:29
Venemomhm01:29
Venemowell, it's easy.01:29
ZogGok01:29
ZogGhow do i do that?01:29
Venemoremember the state of the db at the time of the last sync01:29
ZogGwhy does it make it simple01:29
Venemothen, see 1) what's been added and add those to the other 2) see what's been deleted and delete it from the other01:29
ZogGboth of them can be changed01:29
Venemo3) repeat 1) and 2) for the other database01:30
ZogGit is too heavy01:30
ZogGi mean it would take a lot of data and more time =)01:30
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ZogGi would look in existing examples i think01:31
ZogGlibreoffice builds too long01:31
ZogGgoing back to sleep01:31
Venemothen there is the other idea. simply iterate through the databases and generate a difference01:32
DocScrutinizersee how diff / patch is working ;-)01:33
DocScrutinizeryou go a common parent, two versions A and B that have arbitrary changes against parent, and you merge those diffs into a new child common version, handling conflicts where both A nd B have conflicting changes on the same records01:35
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compengipupnik, i'm very sad too.01:36
Termanagood morning01:36
compengibtw is nokia, intel and linux foundation financing meego or it's just community open source support?01:37
pupnikthe first01:37
compengipupnik, very nice, i hope it's gonna be for the best. btw, i'm trying very hard to be optimistic01:38
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MohammadAGmorning Termana01:39
compengipupnik, do you know as well if n900 will be fully supported?01:39
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pupnikcompengi: i think n900 is a bit low on memory for it01:45
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compengipupnik, i don't own a micro sd hc card, so i haven't tried it yet01:49
luke-jrcompengi: minus Nokia, for practical purposes01:49
luke-jrcompengi: Nokia is moving to Windows-only01:50
pupnikthat sucks so much01:50
luke-jrcompengi: MicroSDHC has nothing to do with memory01:50
pupniki've got a major psychotic hatred of microsoft again01:50
luke-jrlol01:50
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compengiluke-jr, i didn't try meego because i lack sdhc card01:51
luke-jro01:51
compengi:)01:51
compengiindeed.. it sucks alot01:52
lcuk"a lot"01:52
nox-indeed01:52
nox-oh i meant ms actually :)01:53
Macerdamn01:53
Macermy spidey sense is tingling on getting an alienware m1101:53
Macerwhat a little beast01:53
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TermanaMacer, I thought you might get some activity on your extraterrestrial beacon detector rather than spidey sense for Alienware01:56
SpeedEvilHmm - Dell ate them.01:56
compengihttp://tinyurl.com/6edp882 lol what?!01:58
DocScrutinizercompengi: please don't post uncommented random URLs01:59
compengiDocScrutinizer, ok01:59
DocScrutinizercompengi: esp don't post tinyurl, as it doesn't give a friggin clue ehat the original site is all about01:59
compengishould i use full url?02:00
DocScrutinizerusually yes02:00
compengiokay :)02:00
SpeedEvilMmmm. Extraterrestrial bacon.02:00
Termanacompengi's link is a Nokia 32GB SD card thats $156 dollars.02:00
DocScrutinizeras long as it's not like 755 chars02:00
compengiTermana, yeah.. is that normal?02:02
compengi:D02:02
Termanacompengi, depending on what class it is02:03
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TermanaSeems about right, but I haven't brought a 32GB microsd card in a while02:04
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tank-manwow, such prices02:07
tank-mana 16GB regular SDHC card is $2002:07
SpeedEvil32 is more02:07
tank-manyea, only 2x the capacity but more than 2x the price02:08
SpeedEvilLooking on ebay, about $6502:08
SpeedEvilwhich seems about right02:08
SpeedEvilhigher cap is harder tomake02:08
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tank-manlol ... im imagining you as a apple iphone user that has the 32GB version and trying to justify the price02:09
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tank-man"its harder to make"02:10
SpeedEvilIt is.02:10
SpeedEvilThe individual chips that go into making the 32G SD are newer tech.02:10
SpeedEvilThey laminate 9 or so chips on top of each other.02:11
DocScrutinizeris pratchett.freenode.net particularly laggy?02:11
SpeedEvilAnd bond them all together. And stick them inside a microSD02:11
SpeedEvilyou are pinging a bit slowly.02:11
DocScrutinizerhmm, slowly like 30s RTT?02:11
SpeedEvilnaah - 1s02:12
Termanalaggy as in, when I ping it, it gives no response02:12
compengiDocScrutinizer, i have you on  0.27 second(s)02:12
SpeedEvilhmm - variable.02:12
SpeedEvil0-3s02:12
SpeedEvilpacket loss?02:12
DocScrutinizerdonno, something fishy. sometimes lags of 10..30s, most of time 72ms02:13
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TermanaChannel operators, users in disguise02:15
TermanaDo you also deop when I say "Autobots fall in"?02:16
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* SpeedEvil rofls.02:18
SpeedEvilhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/03/19/2241226/Apples-App-Store-Accepts-Gay-Cure-App02:18
SpeedEvilFunny on so many levels.02:18
pupniklol02:21
Venemolol SpeedEvil02:22
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compengilol02:27
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DocScrutinizerTermana: admin of my friggin router and LAN, not op of this chan02:34
DocScrutinizer*sigh* bbl02:35
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DocScrutinizer~botsnack03:17
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee03:17
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DocScrutinizerit's embarrassing to fix spooky LAN issues by powercycling the router and WLAN AP03:25
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I've found the Maemo kernels to be annoyingly broken03:47
luke-jrwith regard to networking03:47
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UcefKHhelloooooooooooooo04:15
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luke-jrUcefKH: WAT04:17
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sleepee_question:  is it normal for the n900 battery to only last a few hours after moderate use?04:18
luke-jrsleepee_: depends on 'moderate'04:18
sleepee_a few hours as in 5-8 hours04:18
luke-jrif you had it online, sure04:18
sleepee_well yea...  i was browsing the web some... and i had im accounts online...  and i think my email syncs every 30 mins or so..04:19
sleepee_and i had bluetooth on..04:19
luke-jrlol04:19
luke-jrdefinitely04:19
sleepee_lol..04:19
luke-jryou're lucky it lasted 5-804:19
luke-jrthat ain't moderate04:19
luke-jrit's heavy04:20
sleepee_really??  my friend has an iphone and his battery lasts a lot longer...04:20
sleepee_and he's always online, constantly talking, cehcking facebook...04:21
sleepee_hmm....  oh well.. guess i'll have to buy a car charger04:21
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GAN900sleepee_, iPhone cheats.04:45
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GAN900Doesn't have real multitasking04:45
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sleepee_GAN900: good point05:09
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DocScrutinizerbattle won, enemy (13 1.5mm^2 install wires, a switch, a mount cup for gypsum) buried. Now for hospital, curing my fingers ;-P07:01
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DocScrutinizerdamn, not even 2h to wait for a few answers07:11
DocScrutinizerGAN900: luke-jr: how about a 0900-number for answering questions like sleepee's in realtime? ;-D07:12
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: (network problems) it's been my router, and I'm scared about what wireshark showed me my laptop is doing on DNS07:13
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DocScrutinizer;; QUESTION SECTION:;  preferences.settings.desktop                        IN      ANY07:15
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DocScrutinizerDNS-Answer_server-error;; //  ICMP ->DNS port not reachable07:16
DocScrutinizersomething's *severely* fsckd up on this KDE Suse07:17
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JaffaMorning, all10:27
korhojoamorning.10:28
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MohammadAGreduced foss mediaplayer's usage by 4MBs :)10:43
MohammadAGRAM usage that is10:43
RST38hhttp://www.theonion.com/articles/microsoft-word-now-includes-squiggly-blue-line-to,19739/10:49
RST38hHello, human10:50
RST38hs10:50
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fluxrst38h, should also have the same for too long sentences11:25
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DocScrutinizerhi earthlings11:32
alteregogood moaning11:34
aslkdjsa84I have just gotten a NOKIA N900 and I cannot send emails via WLAN, it always says, "ERROR". But sending them via GPRS works all fine. How can I fix it to be able to send mails per wlan?11:34
Termana_DocScrutinizer, autobots fall out11:35
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fralsaslkdjsa84: configure connection specific smtp-servers?11:35
DocScrutinizerwhat fallout?11:36
DocScrutinizerautobot creates radioactive fallout now?11:36
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alteregoGt11:36
alteregoTermana: it's "autobots roll out" :P11:37
Termanaalterego, ah :D11:37
TermanaExplains everything :p11:37
* DocScrutinizer lifts eyebrow11:38
aslkdjsa84frals how would the connection-specific settings for wlan be different to those for GPRS?11:39
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: Transformers11:39
fralsi assume that you have configured a smtpserver for GPRS which only allows subscribers to the network to send email and hence it fails when you try to use the same one from your wlan11:40
alteregoaslkdjsa84: different network, different ip, you could be blocked on the wlan but not on gprs11:40
DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer11:40
Termanaha ha11:40
DocScrutinizerI actually doubt I got more than one or two of them. Kinda obsolete technology11:41
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I said Transformers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers11:41
* alterego chuckles11:41
Termanaalterego, I think he understood that, just gaming with his troll face11:42
Termana:p11:42
alteregoTermana: I know, but I wanted to play along :P11:42
DocScrutinizerI'm gaming with my old face11:42
alteregoDocScrutinizer: people should still know about them though, they're a very good simple elctronic component that would be useful to build should most of society die in a massive extinction event11:43
RST38halterego: sure about it?11:43
alteregoAbout what?11:44
Termanaalterego, great for the power poles as well11:44
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Termana:D11:44
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RST38halterego: about people needing to know about transformers11:46
RST38hOne the other hand, if they don't have transformers, how will they torture each other with electricity?11:46
ruskiehehe11:47
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TermanaSpeaking of electricity torture, I have a story with some shocking results11:49
DocScrutinizerRST38h: van-der-graaf11:49
alteregoHeh11:49
TermanaI was asked to do some scientific testing for a company, they filled up a pool and they wanted me to jump in and let them dunk a plugged in toaster in, all safe they said.11:50
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TermanaSo I decided I would do it11:50
TermanaSigned the indemnity forms11:50
TermanaGot there, pumped myself up11:50
TermanaOpened the door11:50
TermanaGot on the floor11:51
TermanaEverybody walk the dinosaur11:51
* alterego was just remembering the tazer seen in "The Hangover"11:51
alterego"No, not you fat Jesus"11:51
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RST38hDoc: Oh, yesss11:55
TermanaDocScrutinizer - the band?11:56
DocScrutinizer51Termana: heh, I almost forgot about the band11:57
MohammadAGhmm, interesting12:00
MohammadAGmafw also creates gstreamer pipelines for videos12:00
MohammadAGI only have to set the window id12:00
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MohammadAGit can't be that esay12:00
MohammadAGeasy*12:00
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RST38hSaddam 2.0 is on!12:01
MohammadAGwhere? where?!12:01
RST38hLybia12:01
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TermanaRST38h, Saddam didn't kill his OWN people though did he?12:02
RST38hHe did12:03
RST38hUsed chemic12:03
Termanalovely12:03
RST38hal weapons on them even12:03
TermanaWhat a beautiful world we live in, amiright?12:03
RST38hyes, an interesting one, although, sadly, very predictable12:03
* RST38h checks if Lybia has got any oil and, yes, of course it has...12:04
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MohammadAGoh, him12:05
MohammadAGthough I think Saddam was a bit more, umm, sane12:05
MohammadAGanyway12:05
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RST38hyea, this one is abit more cartoonish12:06
* MohammadAG wonders how to convert from int to ulong12:06
MohammadAGwhatever ulong is12:06
RST38h(unsigned long)x12:07
RST38hor (ulong)x if you wish12:07
MohammadAGx is?12:07
RST38hulong is your standard int, sans the sign12:07
RST38hx is your int12:07
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pupnikeuropeans bombarding tripoli12:15
pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEVnBtZT0nE12:15
* SpeedEvil imagines frenchmen being launched by mangonel.12:16
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RST38hSpeed: right now, it sounds more like Americans are doing most bombardment12:18
pupnikamazing how every word on the tv casts the events in the language of propaganda12:19
RST38hdunno, I am reading Russian news12:19
DocScrutinizer51pupnik: wtf, is that a music videoclip or what?12:19
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DocScrutinizer51that's ridiculous12:21
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DocScrutinizer51fsckng clown with a sharp axe. And of course you know he forced his own citicens into the radar stations so either they won't get taken out or he can show the corpses. And of course he wouldn't even hesitate to shoot a hospital with own atillery then claim it's been the UN alliance12:25
pupnikhttp://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/what-would-you-do-if-rebels-attacked-us-cities-gaddafi-asks-obama/story-e6frfku0-1226024683575  What would you do if rebels attacked US cities, Gaddafi asks Obama12:26
pupnikthey are all murderers12:26
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RST38hDoc: You won't argue that actions by all sides provide for a mildly amusing circus performance, though?12:28
RST38hA bit macabre, but such is life12:29
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pupnikyea12:32
pupnikit's not their own money12:32
nszeekHey guys, I am having the n900 "operation failed" problem with the camera. Can anyone help me out ? There's a thread on maemo talk explaining what's going on here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971106#post971106 (long story short: flashing doesn't help)12:32
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SpeedEvilIt helped for me.12:33
SpeedEvilI know that's not helpful.12:33
pupnikmaybe he could actually flash12:34
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nszeekI did flash the device, with the current AMR release and I also did a eMMC flash with the VANILLA one12:35
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rootstockHello world12:36
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rootstockneuer n900 benutzer, bedankt sich der comunity. unglaubliches telefon. netter tag allen zusammen.12:41
rootstocknew n900 user, thanks to the comunity. incredible phone. nice day all together.12:41
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pupnikgooten tag rootstock12:44
pupnikit's not a phone, it's a FM radio!12:44
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OkropNickhow to check in terminal if it's there phone / skype / sip call right now?13:03
DocScrutinizer51OkropNick: ?13:04
OkropNickI need a functionality to execute script, but not during phone / skype / sip conversation13:04
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DocScrutinizer51aah13:06
OkropNick:)13:06
DocScrutinizer51interesting problem13:06
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DocScrutinizer51for sure monitoring dbus could provide info about state, but might be awkward13:09
alteregohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMiMGOg53Ec&feature=player_embedded#at=2613:09
DocScrutinizer51alterego: wats that?13:10
SpeedEvilhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/phone-maker-publicly-says-%E2%80%98no%E2%80%99-wp7 oh no!13:11
SpeedEvil(zte says 'meh' to windows phone)13:12
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: it's a visualisation of the history of gstreamer development over hte past 10 years13:13
alteregoIn 5 minutes.13:13
alteregoIt's quite neat :)13:13
Venemoalterego, nice effect13:13
alteregoCarsten posted it in meego-dev, thought people here might like a look.13:14
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alteregoErm, #meego-arm ..13:14
RST38hSpeedEvil: ZTE makes cheapo phones, of course they will not pay MS license fees13:15
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RST38h(+ WP7 is pretty sad piece of sw, of course]13:15
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pupniklight a candle13:17
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VenemoRST38h, WP7 is not sad at all. it is just dumb.13:17
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RST38h...Heavy explosives were used to separate individuals from the swarm. Individuals were either pulverized or propelled beyond the 50 meter area of effect. After reduction of the swarm by at least 40%, individuals began to retaliate, propelling themselves at MTF members.13:21
RST38hVenemo: you can call it this way as well13:22
RST38hBut a couple of WP7 phones displayed within a bunch of identically looking Android phones look really really sad13:23
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pupnikad-supported angry birds on android earns Rovio £600,000 monthly14:32
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alteregoSweet14:39
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e-yesis suppose it's wastage of money (for advertisers)14:41
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pupnikIn december they introduced the 'Mighty Eagle' - a bird you can download for £0.89 to clear a level.  Sold 2,000,000 times.14:43
MohammadAGgrr, why is focus-in-event broken in Qt14:43
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MohammadAGWTF14:43
MohammadAG2m?14:43
MohammadAGpeople are lazy14:44
pupnikyup14:44
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pupniki like these Rovio guys :)14:44
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lcukMohammadAG, :)14:45
pupnikmaybe someday they can buy nokia and kick out elop14:45
MohammadAGlcuk, windows, not text boxes :P14:45
lcukMohammadAG, is there much difference?14:46
MohammadAGlcuk, as a concept, no14:46
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MohammadAGit works in Venemo's puzzle master...14:47
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lcukMohammadAG, that is because venemo is awesome14:49
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MohammadAGffs can't figure out how to play videos with mafw :/15:27
MohammadAGactually, can't figure out if I need to make a gstreamer widget myself, or if mafw handles that15:27
MohammadAGby looking at the code, it seems to be making once itself15:27
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flashn_is there any apps for remote controlling boxee/xbmc with n900?16:02
flashn_besides the web remote..16:03
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MohammadAGis there a way to see which functions/methods are being called in an app17:10
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villagerMohammadAG: how hard can making video with mafw be? can you point at the relevant mafw docs, I'll take a look?17:11
villager(can't take a very long look though since I'm supposed to be doing stuff)17:11
MohammadAGvillager, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwRenderer.html#MAFW-PROPERTY-RENDERER-XID:CAPS17:13
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villagerMohammadAG: the xid? do you have one?17:13
MohammadAGbasically, I'm not sure if that has to be a GstElement, or any window17:13
MohammadAGyes, can easily get it with Qt17:14
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villagerMohammadAG: well if it's an X id, it's for a X window... gst elements aren't windows...17:14
MohammadAGvillager, http://pastebin.com/60jGBeVU <-- mafw code handling what gets set17:14
MohammadAGlooking at that, there seems to be a valid gstreamer element (worker->vsink)17:15
MohammadAGyet stringing the stock mediaplayer binary returns http://pastebin.com/HjELqpMN17:16
villagerpresumably the mafw renderer would create that sink, right?17:17
villagerit just needs the window. What window do you have?17:17
MohammadAGapparently, it is, but why is the stock player linked against gstreamer17:17
MohammadAGI have the now playing window17:18
MohammadAGrequesting playObject(objectId) opens a window, closes it, then resumes old playback17:18
villagera window you're using for something else? that won't work17:19
MohammadAGI have a widget inside that window17:19
MohammadAGand each widget is backed by a window17:19
villagerit must be a window with its own Expose handler (or whatever Qt calls it, perhaps paint or something)17:19
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villagerbasically a canvas-like widget17:20
MohammadAGbut the widget has a window ID17:20
MohammadAGa unique one17:20
villagersure, but it can't just be *any* old widget it's the ID of17:21
MohammadAGerr, what?17:21
villagerso if this is a widget, what kind of widget did you make it?17:22
MohammadAGumm, a QWidget?17:22
MohammadAGwith this flag set Qt::WA_NativeWindow100Indicates that a native window is created for the widget. Enabling this flag will also force a native window for the widget's ancestors unless Qt::WA_DontCreateNativeAncestors is set.17:22
villagerthis mafw obviously wants to use a hardware video overlay to render the video, there are some requirements for that17:23
MohammadAGthe stock player does have _OMAP_VIDEO_OVERLAY(INTEGER) = 1 set on it17:24
villagerMohammadAG: have you set this "autopaint" property on the mafw renderer? maybe that'll make it less work to fix the widget17:24
MohammadAGvillager, the stock player doesn't set it afaik17:25
* MohammadAG checks17:25
villagerMohammadAG: no, but it does know how to make proper widgets, and it seems you don't17:26
MohammadAGno, it isn't17:27
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villagerMohammadAG: if the widget has an appropriate Expose handler, then it can do the painting itself... which I'd guess the media player would do, of course... but if mafw can do it itself with autopaint, maybe that's easier than figuring out how to do the paint yourself17:29
MohammadAGheh17:30
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MohammadAGwhat's an Expose handler exactly? the X11 window ID?17:30
villagerhmm, where's the api doc for mafw-gst-renderer17:31
villagerit's the code that repaints the window... any window has one... for example, the Expose handler for a button would redraw the button17:31
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MohammadAGpaintEvent() in Qt17:32
villagerbut in toolkits, only certain widget classes are supposed to have that overridden by the programmer... canvas-type widgets17:32
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MohammadAGwell, it can easily be overriden17:33
MohammadAGoverridden*17:33
MohammadAGand MafwRenderer's docs are the ones I pointed you to17:34
villagerwhere's the api docs for MafwGstRenderer, I wonder?17:34
villagerit ought to have something for that17:34
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MohammadAGumm, I linked you to MafwRenderer's docs, it's the same as MafwGstRenderer17:40
villagernot really, MafwGstRenderer would be a subclass17:40
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villagerit may have its own interfaces in addition to that17:41
villagerwell, found the code, guess it doesn't add much there17:42
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villagerMohammadAG: what's important here is probably that when you set the xid property, the window must be already visible, and Qt must not ever draw on that window (in its own paint event handlers) after you've set the property17:48
villagerunless you hook into gst directly17:48
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villagerMohammadAG: a hardware overlay depends on the window to be painted with the correct color key... if Qt paints the window with a different color, it won't show anything17:50
MohammadAGvillager, it is already visible, already read that somewhere17:50
villagerhmm, come to think of it, if you make your own paintEvent handler, you can probably read the mafw colorkey property and paint the window with that color17:51
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villagerthat should make repainting safe17:52
villagerand you wouldn't have to turn on autopaint17:52
villagerMohammadAG: you're not painting the widget at all right now, are you?17:53
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villagerI'm guessing that's what media player does, then...17:53
MohammadAGvillager, no, I didn't override the paint event17:54
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MohammadAGit's a simple window with a simple QWidget, but the widgets are backed by windows17:54
villagerMohammadAG: well, you need to fill that window with the colorkey somehow, otherwise it'll never show anything17:54
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villagerthe gstreamer sink has methods you can call from your own expose handler to make it do that for you (including some autopaint stuff), but builtin mediaplayer and mafw apparently prefers you to do it yourself and read the property to know what color17:56
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MohammadAGwell, that explains the weird green-black colour in the stock player17:57
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villagerthat's how hardware overlays work... it's like the green-screen/blue-screen technique used in movies and tv, where there's a special color behind the actors, and then a computer overlays a virtual background onto pixels with that special color, and it looks like the actor is there17:59
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zogg_Venemo, hey18:01
zogg_would you mind if i PM?18:02
villagerso hardware overlays, as used on n900, will only load the hardware-decoded video image onto pixels that have the special color18:02
Venemozogg_, I wouldn't mind18:02
villagerthat allows you to put an UI "on top" which is not overwritten by the hardware overlay18:02
villagerMohammadAG: get it?18:03
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MohammadAGvillager, yes, but it still doesn't explain why 1) playObject() is making a new window, then destroying it and resuming playback, 2) the video isn't played at all18:05
villagerMohammadAG: what do you mean by "resuming playback" if the video isn't played?18:06
MohammadAGvillager, playing an object means mafw will play that, then after it's stopped, the previous playlist resumes18:07
villagerMohammadAG: so by resuming playback you mean it skips to next track?18:08
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villagerMohammadAG: anyway I wouldn't know exactly what is going wrong without seeing a bit more complete code of what exactly you're doing18:10
MohammadAGvillager, basically, yes, or plays the one that was playing18:10
ZogGElena, heeeey18:10
ZogGsup buddy18:10
ElenaHi, ZogG18:10
ZogGElena, don't be shoked18:11
Elena /query Venemo18:11
ZogGcause MohammadAG can bite you18:11
ZogGhe is dirty boy18:11
ZogGElena fail18:11
MohammadAGvillager, sec18:11
Elenaok ;)18:11
ZogGwith no space18:11
MohammadAG...18:11
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villagerMohammadAG: from the mafw-gst code, it seems that should only happen if you did not set the xid property early enough18:12
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MohammadAGvillager, http://pastebin.com/vDXinBUW18:13
ZogGMohammadAG, when you poked around screenlock does it only displays unlock screen or black screen and other stuff is also releated to it?18:13
MohammadAGyou only need the last two methods18:13
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MohammadAGit's fired with a QTimer after 2s to be sure the window is visible before it's called18:13
MohammadAG(of course, that'll change when I get it working)18:13
MohammadAGvillager, as for setWindowXid, it's here http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line35818:14
villagerMohammadAG: what's isRendererReady?18:14
villagerhmm guess that's in there too18:16
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MohammadAGvillager, just checks if the renderer is null or not18:19
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villagerMohammadAG: just in case, you've checked that the windowId you get isn't null, right?18:22
MohammadAGvillager, no, it's valid18:23
MohammadAG75497542 <-- at least it looks valid to me18:23
simon`Hi, sorry to create noise, but I am just trying this out (just trying out IRC.) Can anyone tell me if this is getting through?18:25
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GAN900Yes.18:26
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ZogGsimon`, i can't hear you, SPEAK LOUDER18:26
alteregosimon`: if it appears on your screen it has gone to the server and been sent back :P18:27
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simon`Thanks all. Where can I find some information on how IRC works?18:28
alteregohrm, google?18:29
SpeedEvilsimon`: Google IRC RFC18:30
SpeedEvilhttp://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc.html18:31
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simon`right...18:33
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GAN900We never got Bugzilla karma repaired, did we?18:33
villageralterego: not really, any regular text (as opposed to commands, like join) you write is not sent back by the server, it is echoed locally18:33
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villagerMohammadAG: that mafwrenderer adapter should consider connecting the "error" signal as well, to see why it fails18:39
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MohammadAGvillager, no errors18:51
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villagerhmm, maybe something's failing fairly early18:56
villagerMohammadAG: there's one thing I've been wondering... what is that Ui::VideoNowPlayingWindow in line 11?18:57
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MohammadAGvillager, creates the UI widgets for the window19:01
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villagerhmm, I think I might see the problem19:01
MohammadAGthe UI's done with Qt Designer, so the .ui file is converted to a header with the class Ui19:01
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villagerthe mafw dox says that the xid property is an ulong, which is what the adapter sets... but mafw-gst-renderer assumes it to be an uint...19:02
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villagernot sure if glib is that strict about it or not19:03
villagerit might be19:03
GAN900I guess the repos are down?19:05
villageryeah, I had the glib sources around... it actually is that strict and will return 0 if the type mismatches, which of course gst will interpret as "no window"19:05
villagerand thus try to create its own window19:05
villagernot sure whether that would stop the video from playing though, hmm19:06
MohammadAGshould I try passing a uint?19:08
villagerstill, big problem... so the adapter needs to use uint instead of ulong to set the xid property, at least19:08
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villageryeah try that19:08
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villagerhmm, yeah that would cause the video to stop19:11
villagersince mafw doesn't like to have no xid19:11
villagerbut then there should have been something on the error signal...19:12
MohammadAGactually monitoring dbus shows it is indeed uint3219:12
villagerthis wouldn't go through dbus I think?19:13
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MohammadAGall mafw related stuff is done over dbus19:15
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villagerweird stuff...19:18
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MohammadAGhey, that worked19:20
MohammadAGdidn't even have to add the colour part19:20
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villagerwell I guess it paints the colorkey itself on pipeline startup... but if other stuff happens like popup notifications, having a way to repaint might be needed, depending...19:22
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MohammadAGpopups are blocked19:24
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MohammadAGthat's what setDNDAtom's for19:24
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villagerit's possible to override dnd, though...19:25
villagerprobably only very important stuff do that, of course19:25
MohammadAGI think Battery low overrides it19:25
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MohammadAGhttp://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.guide.hildonwidgetui/html/node5.html19:26
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villagerwell, you can wait with the colorkey stuff until it appears to be needed, I guess19:26
MohammadAGbut yes, you're right19:27
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MohammadAGif anything's painted on top, the video disappears19:27
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Macerhello19:34
alteregoAloha19:34
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compengidid anyone try to use Avidemux to convert movies to n900 compatible files?19:37
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DorfmeisterHi. I'm currently trying to install mBarcode on my N900, which used to be in Extras-Devel, but I don't seem to find it. Can anybody help me out? Thanks in advance.20:17
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pupnikhi Dorfmeister - does google help?20:19
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lcukDorfmeister, it should still be there20:20
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lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/20:20
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DorfmeisterHm..20:21
DorfmeisterAh, got it. Thank you very much.20:21
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jacktheripperis it possible to route mic into speakers on the N900 ? (or even better: into the FM transmitter, cause that's my aim :D)20:22
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MohammadAGjacktheripper, arecord | aplay20:27
MohammadAGfyi, that's probably the worst way to do it20:27
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jacktheripperI was trying to run jackd earlier, but I get this: http://pastebin.com/nGUsVhfc Remains even after adding the entry both in /etc/limits.conf and /etc/security/limits.conf20:29
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celestehHello, I am wondering if there exists an OSC (open sound control) app for maemo that communicates with the accellerometers in the n900?20:33
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villagerjacktheripper: mixing jackd with pulseaudio doesn't sound like a good idea20:35
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jacktheripperMohammadAG, arecord | aplay is a bit slow and noisy, but not too bad.20:37
jacktherippervillager, could I stop pulseaudio when I'm doing that ?20:37
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zogg_wgho doesn't know who are those women? http://static.black-frames.net/images/zoey-deschanel-and-katy-perry.jpg20:40
lcukcelesteh, onedotzero20:40
lcukthe first user visible app for n900 uses both accelerometer and opensoundcontrol :)20:40
RST38hsome clones20:40
MohammadAGvillager, what was your tip on making painting overlays not affect the video itself?20:41
MohammadAGshould I only set the colour?20:41
villagerjacktheripper: wouldn't recommend bypassing pulseaudio unless you know what you're doing, since pulse is the only thing protecting your speakers from blowing out... what do you want jack for anyway?20:42
zogg_noone gives a f =(20:42
jacktherippervillager, I'd have the FM transmitter turned on during that. I want my own personal radio station B-)20:42
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villagerjacktheripper: well you won't need jack for that, just keep pulseaudio20:44
villagerjacktheripper: I think there's a pulse command or plugin that can route sound directly from a source to a sink directly inside the daemon, which sounds like what you need20:47
villagerjacktheripper: even better, maybe there's an amixer command to tell the hardware to do it20:48
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RST38hhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/50-unexplainable-black-white-photos20:55
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MohammadAGjacekowski, you changed the Nokia logo in NOLO right? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7126321:23
jacekowskino21:23
jacekowskii can remove it21:23
jacekowskiand i know where it's stored21:23
jacekowskibut i don't know what format is it21:24
jacekowskisomebody suggested that it's qt pixmap21:24
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MohammadAGwhy would NOLO hold a Qt pixmap21:25
MohammadAGjacekowski, got a copy of the logo?21:25
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jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/21:25
jacekowskihere21:25
MohammadAGwhat's 1-3?21:27
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jacekowskiNOKIA21:28
jacekowskiusb logo21:28
jacekowskiand and something21:29
jacekowskiwith a spanner21:29
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MohammadAGbtw, no, it's not a Qt pixmap21:30
MohammadAGjacekowski, 770 with spanner, R&D logo21:30
jacekowskihttp://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1069&g2_imageViewsIndex=121:31
jacekowskihttp://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1072&g2_imageViewsIndex=121:31
jacekowskihttp://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1075&g2_imageViewsIndex=121:31
jacekowskithese are the pictures21:32
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BCMM_why can't i see mobilehotspot in ham?21:44
pupniklet's check21:44
pupnikhmm it says it needs kernel-power21:45
pupnikamazing, we have imagemagick on n90021:45
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zogg_BCMM, cause your ham is not tasty21:45
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pupniki LOVE having 'locate' on n90021:48
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zogg_pupnik, HOW?21:48
zogg_how did you do it?21:48
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pupnik?  package is in repo21:49
pupnikit's just slightly broken :D21:49
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zogg_which one?21:49
zogg_locate?21:49
pupnikyes21:49
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pupnikthe executeable is dumped in something like /usr/gnu or /usr/bin/gnu  or something21:50
pupnikso i moved those files into the path21:50
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zogg_pupnik tha's why i have it but it doesn't work21:50
zogg_you linked it?21:50
pupniknah just mv21:50
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zogg_ok i'll search locate with find =)21:50
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pupnikhaha21:50
zogg_but you should share on TMO21:50
khorben_TMO?21:50
pupnikjust needs a little fix :(21:51
zogg_khorben_, TMO!!!21:51
khorben_I'm new to maemo development :/21:51
pupniktalk.maemo.org21:51
zogg_khorben_, first thing you need to learn TMO21:51
zogg_pupnik, tell him21:51
khorben_doing that21:51
zogg_pupnik, why idd you ruin it?21:52
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khorben_ah a forum?21:52
pupnikeuh?21:53
pupniki didn't ruin it21:53
pupnikit's the maemo forum khorben_21:54
khorben_we don't likes forumzzzzz (j/k, good to know)21:54
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pupniki haven't been good at following the forums since n900 release21:55
pupnikso many newbs21:55
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zogg_pupnik,  you ruined everything21:56
pupniklocate works great21:56
zogg_khorben_ now hates you21:56
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alteregoQML ScrollIndicator which auto-hides and only shows when you're interacting with the flickable _and_ when the content exceeds the flickables viewable area: http://pastie.org/169351021:59
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Macerpupnik: i'm sure they are all gone :)22:02
Macerconsidering they probably threw their n900s into walls after nokia totally screwed up a wet dream22:02
pupnikMacer: yeah that's kind of a benefit to this whole 'maemo is dead' thing22:02
pupnikhahah22:02
Macerhahaha22:02
Macerfair point ;)22:02
pupnikhave you seen Kotczarny's "osc"?22:03
pupnikplaying with it right now... it's real fun22:03
Macerwhen are they goign to close down maemo.org?22:03
pupnikoscilloscope visualizations22:03
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Maceri would guess that someone does not want to host it anymore :)22:03
pupniknever22:03
Macernever?22:03
Maceryou think?22:03
Maceri give it a year or two :)22:03
Macerbefore they move it all to meego.org heh22:03
Macerdoesn't nokia host maemo.org?22:04
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VenemoMacer, that's correct22:12
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zogg_Venemo why do you need to alwasy lie man?22:13
zogg_Macer, don't listen to his lies =)22:13
Venemozogg_, wut?22:16
zogg_)22:16
* zogg_ is bored22:17
VenemoI see.22:17
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Macerzogg_: haha22:22
Maceri've been playing with kubuntu for a while22:22
Macerwow it is nice :)22:22
zogg_Macer, just be carefull, venemo is the dark side of maemo community22:22
Macerqt can make some pretty stuff.. makes me wonder if i will ever see it on my n900 haha22:22
Macerzogg_: there is no light side to it ;)22:22
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Maceronly levels of darkness22:23
zogg_i don't like kubuntu22:23
zogg_and kde22:23
Venemozogg_, please stop this. I AM the LIGHT side of the Maemo Community.22:23
zogg_i didn't liked Qt as i didn't realize kde is not Qt22:23
Venemozogg_, I don't like ubuntu or kde either. that's why I use Fedora with Gnome22:23
zogg_Qt is Qt and KDE is just using KDE22:23
Macerzogg_: heh. well. i do .. i think kde is the best thing linux has to offer as far as a desktop22:23
Macergnome reminds me of symbian22:23
Macersomething that has been around way too long and just doesn't know when to die22:23
Macer:)22:24
zogg_Macer haha22:24
zogg_lovely22:24
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Venemowhat do you think about Gnome 3, Macer22:24
zogg_but so not true22:24
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MacerVenemo: honestly haven't tried it22:24
Macerbut i am sure if it is still gtk2 based then it has the same oldish look to it22:24
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zogg_what do you think about xfce4, *box, e17?22:24
zogg_awesome?22:24
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Macerxfce4 was kind of lame.. reminded me of a different styled gnome22:24
VenemoMacer, not really. it's Gtk3 based.22:24
Macerblackbox was awesome22:24
Macer:)22:25
lcukmacer you can make gtk look futuristic!22:25
Venemozogg_, xfce is even simpler than gnome.22:25
Macerlcuk: hah. no you can't22:25
lcukMacer, sure you can22:25
zogg_Macer, you don't have taste than22:25
zogg_Venemo, that's the point22:25
Venemosee the screenshots at http://gnome3.org/22:25
zogg_simplicity is beauty22:25
Macerzogg_: possibly ;) i just like kde.. seems to be the nicest looking thing i've used so far22:25
zogg_shinny blinking things?22:25
Macerah crap22:25
zogg_damn it's like web 2.022:25
lcukthere you go, crotum is a futuristic gtk theme22:25
lcukhttp://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Scutum-Screenshot-41364.html22:26
lcukerr scrotum22:26
zogg_i like minimalistics22:26
lcukerrr scotum22:26
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Maceryeah... gnome3 still looks like old motif crap :)22:26
VenemoI use Shiki-Wise from this collection: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=8671722:26
Venemoit looks a lot better than most themes22:26
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zogg_Venemo, show me screenies22:28
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Maceryeah i'm sorry... but gnome3 still looks horrible compared to kde ;)22:28
VenemoMacer, KDE is sluggish and overcomplicated. apart from this, I like it too.22:29
MacerVenemo: i'll give you the sluggish part but only on older hardware22:29
Macerit especailly requires a good video card22:30
Macerof which i am not using now :) but i do want to put kubuntu on an alienware m1122:30
VenemoMacer, it starts up very slowly22:30
MacerVenemo: you think? i didn't think it was too bad22:30
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zogg_Macer, Venemo http://imgur.com/6xBti22:30
Maceri guess the first startup took a little longer than normal but after it writes its config files it is usually pretty quick on the start up22:31
Maceri would rather get stronger hardware and make it faster than to use an inferior looking wm22:31
VenemoMacer, also, it's hard to find settings in it. at least I found the interface overcomplicated.22:31
VenemoMacer, I particularly liked the plasma widgets. I played about 15 minutes with the "bouncy ball" widget, then found them not so useful :)22:33
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pupnikstrange file in my home dir...  1825847 Mar  7 02:10 .save.(null)22:34
MacerVenemo: heh. i use the weather and stock widgets ;)22:35
Maceri need to find a godo stock ticker widget22:35
villagerbetter with a motif look than something that looks as much like crap as kde does...22:35
VenemoMacer, bouncy ball is stock. and it was the most entertaining one among them :P22:35
Maceryeah?22:35
pupnikVenemo: i agree with you on KDE - that's how it feels to me22:36
pupnikor used to feel, at least22:36
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Venemopupnik :)22:37
Maceroh22:37
MacerVenemo: stock market widget i meant ;)22:37
Macerheh22:37
Maceri am going to look for a good one now22:37
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Venemoanyway, if Gnome 3 won't meet my expectations, I'll probably switch to KDE.22:37
* SpeedEvil ponders filing a bug against bouncy-ball.22:37
SpeedEvilIt shows half a ball here.22:37
MacerSpeedEvil: hahahhaha22:38
Macermaybe your background is red? :)22:38
SpeedEvilnaah.22:38
SpeedEvilI get the top half only22:38
VenemoSpeedEvil, lol22:38
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pupnikhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sneak-peek-at-archos-gen-9-tablets-1-6-ghz-dual-core-a9-process/22:41
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internetishardany reason to use easy debian instead of arch linux?22:41
internetishardon the n900, that is, since I'm most used to arch...22:41
Venemointernetishard, internet is not hard22:42
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internetishardIt is soft?22:42
RST38bisno cellphone though?22:43
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SpeedEvilinternetishard: Is there a suitable arch chroot22:43
SpeedEvil?22:43
pupnikRST38bis: 'disruptive 3G'22:43
Venemopupnik, what do they mean by disruptive?22:43
internetishardhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6653122:43
pupniki think 'disruptive' is the buzzword of 201122:43
pupnikVenemo: 'game changer'  'market shake-up-er'22:44
Venemomhm22:44
SpeedEvil'pine-scented'22:44
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pupniki kind of like angstrom on archos as-is22:45
pupnikneeds a few things like wlan and powersave22:45
RST38bispupniK what do they mean?22:45
pupnikyou trolling me?22:46
RST38bisyessss =)22:46
pupnikgood22:46
pupniki was worried for a moment22:46
zogg_but real man is RST38bis22:50
zogg_he uses ssh only with console22:50
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internetishardI'm curious if someone maintains a list of impressive things only the n900 can do...22:51
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pupnikcan run the game of life at 24 fps while drawing an oscilloscope22:52
pupnikwhat impresses you22:53
SpeedEvilI found that being able to back my laptop up via rsync when the drive was going dodgy was awesome.22:53
VenemoUSB host mode is awesome22:53
zogg_i can make n900 to make me coffees in morning22:53
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internetishardI'm impressed by modularity22:55
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internetisharda collection of tools more extensive than the next... USB host mode is cool as fuck...haven't tried it yet htough22:56
SpeedEvilThe most annoying thing is that the 'core' system apps and daemons are closed.22:56
internetishardabout maemo in general?22:57
internetishardI can see that - yeah, I'd be surprised to hear any reasonable rationale for that22:57
internetishardFor example, not being able to have groups in the address book is ridiculous and easily added22:57
SpeedEvilThere is a very simple rationale.22:57
internetishardwhat's that?22:58
SpeedEvil_everything_ about the way the closed stuff has been developed makes sense if you look at it from the point of view of 'how can we benefit from open-source, but make sure that other phone makers can't.22:58
SpeedEvilFor example, an innovative and easy to use wifi configurator user-developed that could be stolen by other makers can't happen.22:59
internetishardIs there an issue with the default browser as to why it seemingly has to think for a bit before starting to load any web page..?22:59
internetishardSo control of the OSS community's efforts22:59
SpeedEvilAs the internet configuration is by closed daemons, that interconnect in wierd and undocumented ways.22:59
SpeedEvilThe browser is pretty instant for me.23:00
Macerwtf23:00
Maceratt bought tmobile??23:00
BCMM_internetishard: i've noticed that; even applies to file:// urls23:00
internetishardindeed!23:00
zogg_<Macer> att bought tmobile?? | WHAT23:00
zogg_i'm not american but WHAT?23:00
internetishardmakes it a bit annoying when the iphoner's pull up a web page so much faster23:00
BCMM_pretty sure the GUI displays before the browser has really started up23:00
Macerhaha23:00
internetishardwith quick fingers and opera, I can compete, but otherwise it is quite slow23:01
BCMM_i think they only got tmob USA23:01
SpeedEvilhmm23:01
SpeedEvilactually - yes23:01
SpeedEvilI seewhat you mean.23:01
MacerBCMM_: omg help me!23:01
SpeedEvilI suspect it's loading the actual browser.23:01
Maceri went to tmob to LEAVE att23:01
BCMM_but i must say, i thought there was supposed to be some kind of monpoly law23:01
Macergreat23:01
SpeedEvilThe 'loading' bar is actually fake.23:01
BCMM_monopoly23:01
zogg_macer you are trapped23:01
internetishardBCMM_: isn't it for each new page you go to?23:01
Macerwho is left? verizon... cricket... sprint.. att23:02
Macerboost23:02
internetishardI have tmo, this is probably going to fuck with my plan23:02
zogg_orange IL23:02
zogg_MohammadAG, tell them23:02
zogg_orange IL rocks23:02
BCMM_internetishard: doesn't look  like it, i don't get that if there's already a window open23:02
internetishardthere goes my 68$/mo bill for unlimited everything and 600minutes23:02
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BCMM_(i'm launching the browser by a desktop bookmark that points to a local file:// url)23:03
Macerhttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/20/att-mobile-att-buys-t-mobile-usa/23:03
BCMM_internetishard: maybe you're just seeing network latency?23:03
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internetisharddefinitely not23:03
internetishardyeah, it happens with local stuff too23:03
BCMMhmm23:04
internetishardfor example, I have that 13gig mirror of wikipedia locally using that one app23:04
SpeedEvilI'm pretty sure it's the spawn delay, and the bar is fake23:04
* MohammadAG feels he missed some important piece of news23:04
SpeedEvilopen a browser.23:04
internetishardand that localwiki app uses the default browser... so it ends up taking just as long as it would have taken to load the actual wiki page23:04
BCMModd; i definitely see "latency" between the window appearing and the page starting to render23:04
SpeedEvilGo to another bookmark.23:04
MohammadAGprobably based on a stupid decision23:04
BCMMduring which point it shows one of those progress bars with no estimated percentage23:04
SpeedEvilI don't mean bookmark.23:04
BCMMyou know bouncing back and forwards23:05
SpeedEvilI mean in the addressbar enter anotehr site23:05
MohammadAGAT&T bought T-Mobile wtf23:05
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zogg_MohammadAG, tell thm about orange il23:05
BCMMbut i only see that if there is not a browser window already open23:05
SpeedEvilHow many major mobile providers are their inthe US?23:05
BCMMMohammadAG: t-mob USA only23:05
MohammadAGzogg_, sucks23:06
BCMMfrom what i've hard, about 1/223:06
BCMM(none of them are considered proper ones)23:06
zogg_MohammadAG, =)23:06
zogg_i'm drunk =)23:06
zogg_fuck yeah23:06
villagerinternetishard: that browser window is just a frontend, the actual html renderer is in a separate process which is normally loaded (and unloaded I guess) in the background23:07
internetishardokay, so why does loading a local wiki page take basically the same amount of time as a remote one?23:07
internetishardfor example with evopedia23:08
BCMMinternetishard: those sound like they take some time to render23:08
SpeedEvilBecause the browser needs to load23:08
BCMMfairly complex pages?23:08
villagerinternetishard: because the html renderer still needs to be loaded, of course?23:08
internetishardno, just text, and they can be very short23:08
internetishardokay, then why does the html renderer take so long? Opera's is almost instantaneous23:08
BCMMeven with the browser already running, rendering could take about as much time as downloading on a nice connection with a complex page23:08
BCMMare you talking about the condition where the browser isn't open already?23:09
internetishardyeah23:09
internetishardI was thinking it didn't matter though - I'll check again23:09
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BCMMyeah, that's the browser loading, quite clearly.23:09
internetishardyou get that bar that just goes back and forth while nothing seemingly happens, right?23:10
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BCMMyeah, that23:10
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BCMMremember Microsoft Windows, where you could see your desktop about five minutes before you could actually interact with the computer?23:11
BCMMjust pretend it's like that and it'll all make sense23:11
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internetishardhaha23:11
internetishardoh thanks23:11
internetishardmaybe I can figure out how to get apps like evopedia to use opera instead of the default browser (What's it called, anyway?)23:11
jacekowskiMicroB23:12
ruskiethere's a browser-switchboard app iirc23:12
internetishardooo, I'll check that out23:12
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internetishardfound it23:13
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internetishardis there a way to type in the all apps category so that it starts narrowing down all the app choices to launch? (poorly described I know)23:22
timeless_w7ip"yes"23:23
timeless_w7ipthere are third party products that can do that23:23
timeless_w7iphypothetically veveo smartsearch being among them23:23
timeless_w7ipi don't know if anyone has an open product for that purpose :(23:24
internetishardwhy won't that the special keymap thing open while in opera?23:25
timeless_w7ipalthough, you wouldn't do it from the launcher w/o rewriting the entire launcher23:25
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timeless_w7ipopera probably does special handling of keys23:25
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timeless_w7ipmicrob does too23:25
internetishardin microb I can press the two keys on the top left23:25
internetishardthat opens up that special key thihng23:25
timeless_w7ipwe get some of those things wrong23:25
timeless_w7ipnot that one, but some of them :)23:25
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internetishardwow, now that I've set opera as default in browser-switchboard, it won't let me open microb and it just opens opera instead23:27
zeltakhya guys. does anyone know if there is any other mail cleint (touch freindly) for the n900 other then the 'el crapo' default?23:27
jacekowskithere is community SSU version of modest23:27
timeless_w7ipzeltak: m.gmail.com?23:28
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Sc0rpiusAT&T is buying T-Mobile or am I not understanding the news23:28
internetishardyep, tmo USA23:28
timeless_w7ipthe former23:28
internetishardretarded, eh?23:28
Sc0rpiusoh my goodness23:28
Sc0rpiusT-Mobile was like the last decent mobile provider23:28
internetishardIt would be nice if protests would ensue, but likely not23:28
Sc0rpiusnow everything is gonna suck23:28
timeless_w7ipwhy shouldn't at&t buy out the rest of the market?23:29
timeless_w7ipseems like a good idea for at&t23:29
jacekowskiSc0rpius: t-mobile sucks23:29
internetishardindeed timeless_w7ip23:29
jacekowskiat least in the uk23:29
Sc0rpiusin Florida it was ok23:29
timeless_w7ipand since t-mobile's parent had issues growing/managing t-mobile us, why shouldn't it divest?23:29
jacekowskio2 was so much better23:29
timeless_w7ipgr23:29
internetishardjacekowski: yeah, well in the UK you've other options23:29
* timeless_w7ip hates o223:29
internetishardyou can't even get prepaid data in the US jacekowski23:29
jacekowskiinternet on o2 was working perfectly23:29
jacekowskiinternetishard: yeah, i've learned that hard way23:29
Sc0rpiusexactly but what other options do you have in the US? Verizon with CDMA? no way.  AT&T? Terrible.  MetroPCS? if you have it in your area, it'd suck anyway.23:30
jacekowskiinternetishard: i went there, bought at&t prepaid23:30
timeless_w7iptheir advertising and packages are evil23:30
jacekowskiinternetishard: and used up all $100 in couple minutes23:30
timeless_w7ipe.g. the iPhone only deal23:30
internetishardhaha, every european country i was it it was mad easy23:30
jacekowskiyeah23:30
jacekowskiin belgium it was like 15 or 20 euro for prepaid with internet23:30
jacekowskiin uk it's like 1023:31
jacekowski£1023:31
jacekowskiin poland i paid equivalent of £10-1523:31
* timeless_w7ip nods23:31
jacekowskifor prepaid with 2G of internet23:31
timeless_w7ipi've paid similar for both o2 uk and o2 ie23:31
jacekowskiand i could still use it for calls23:31
timeless_w7ipbut they were evil23:31
timeless_w7ipyou had to claim to be an iPhone to get the truly unlimited plan23:32
timeless_w7ipotherwise you got a couple of GBs of data23:32
timeless_w7ipplus an *actual* iPhone would get free wifi from o2's cloud23:32
timeless_w7ipbut, if you didn't have an actual iPhone,, you didn't.23:32
timeless_w7ipbecause they used IMEI(?) to pin your MAC23:32
internetishardanyone here use browser-switchboard? microb won't work anymore...23:33
timeless_w7ipinternetishard: it's known to break it23:33
timeless_w7ipdon't use it.23:33
timeless_w7ipor suffer the entire contempt from us23:33
internetishardheh, I was just recommended it on here23:33
* timeless_w7ip shrugs23:34
internetishardI'm trying to get evopedia to open using opera23:34
timeless_w7ipit breaks microb, you do not get my sympathy for using it23:34
internetishardIt wasn't in the apps details23:34
timeless_w7ipso create a shortcut to a script which launches opera w/ a commandline23:34
internetishardvia evopedia?23:34
timeless_w7ipis evopedia an application?23:35
* timeless_w7ip assumed it was a bookmark23:35
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internetishardyep23:35
timeless_w7ipyour grammar failed to express your meaning23:35
internetishardThat happens23:35
timeless_w7ipif you use correct grammar, you'll get better results23:35
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internetishardI think alcohol has been damaging my intelligence23:36
timeless_w7ipthere's an obvious lesson there...23:36
internetishardIndeed23:36
Venemo:D23:36
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pupnikn900... screen too small for gemrb23:41
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pupnikbe happy.  you are all part of the greatest piece of kit and the best community in the world.23:47
internetishardhow do you make a fookin tilde in opera?23:47
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timeless_w7ipctrl-v works23:49
timeless_w7ip:)23:49
internetishardheard there was an onscreenkeyboard, but I've no idea how to launch it23:49
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timeless_w7ipyou have to enable it in settings>text input23:51
internetishardbtw, I saw Tron recently, and I think that kid in the beginning had an n900, but I can't be sure (LOL Haxer phone!!)23:51
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internetishardtimeless_w7ip: once enabled, how is it launched?23:53
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timeless_w7ipclose the keyboard and tap an input widget?23:55
timeless_w7ip(text input widget)23:55
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internetishardalright, I guess I'll use special characters in opera that way23:57
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villagerdoes opera use gtk or qt?23:59

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