IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-03-12

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MohammadAG	GAN900, :)	00:01
GAN900	tybollt, no idea.	00:02
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DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: which app of yours?	00:02
ZogG_work	chrome on windows + web freenode = terrible fonts	00:02
ZogG_work	i forgot AC adapter for laptop at home, now i would kill myself	00:03
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer51: don't try to stop me	00:03
GAN900	DocScrutinizer51, nothing particularly grueling, but, as Stskeeps is so fond of refraining: Dive in and get to work on what bothers you.	00:03
javispedro	DocScrutinizer51: "cfmradio", "C FM Radio"	00:03
GAN900	tybollt, 6 months out of anything even remotely resembling that hook-in. ;)	00:04
javispedro	DocScrutinizer51: it's on extras-testing.	00:04
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DocScrutinizer51	aah	00:04
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DocScrutinizer51	btw audio works after a restart now	00:05
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DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: I'll give that a try when I'm back home. this app now is really borked in some ways	00:06
javispedro	hm	00:06
MohammadAG	reflash!	00:07
MohammadAG	:p	00:07
javispedro	well the reason I've not pushed mine to extras yet is because I fear some weird interactions with phone calls when using it	00:07
javispedro	and I don't want to repeat the initial fmradio fiasco..	00:07
MohammadAG	use libplayback	00:07
MohammadAG	or listen to /com/nokia/csd	00:07
javispedro	I know that; however grimme did listen for lots of extra notifications	00:08
DocScrutinizer51	errr	00:08
javispedro	I do not want to extend my tentacles all over the system for such a simple function, so I'm trying to decide what is the requisite minimum	00:08
MohammadAG	i still don't get one thing though	00:08
MohammadAG	how does the stock mediaplayer sound a beep instead of full sounds	00:08
javispedro	"sound a beep"?	00:08
MohammadAG	but mine doesn't	00:08
MohammadAG	even though they're both using mafw	00:09
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: you'll have to update my memory about those fmradio issues with calls - when I'm back home	00:09
MohammadAG	javispedro, when you get a notification while music's playing	00:09
MohammadAG	you get a beep instead of the ringing tone	00:09
javispedro	that is probably our little ohmd friend.	00:09
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javispedro	you can't emulate the same behaviour on mohammediaplayer?	00:10
MohammadAG	not with mafw, there's something else	00:10
javispedro	oh, oh.	00:10
javispedro	funny.	00:10
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javispedro	the only other source I know for metadata would be libplayback.	00:10
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MohammadAG	i mean, you can even resume playback without the stock mediaplayer (dbus magic), and sound would still not turn to beeps	00:10
MohammadAG	so it's obviously a bug in mafw, that was "fixed" in mediaplayer	00:11
javispedro	hum, weird.	00:11
javispedro	does your app get muted when a notification arrives?	00:11
MohammadAG	yes	00:12
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MohammadAG	technically it's not mine, it's mafw-gst-renderer	00:13
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* javispedro was going to write "fully assimilated community members"		00:13
javispedro	wrong choice of words I guess.	00:13
andre__	javispedro: GSoC - everything going fine, or can I help somehow? (deadline in 45min)	00:13
javispedro	(let's go to #meego)	00:14
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andre__	oops. true :)	00:14
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ZogG_work	MohammadAG: ping	00:54
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ZogG_work	=(	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	uhuh, so cfmradio... Let's see	01:18
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javispedro	quick, I'm going to play some game in few minutes...	01:23
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DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: quite funny	01:28
javispedro	what is funny?	01:28
DocScrutinizer51	I started cfm, plugged then unplugged headset ->acoustic feedback speaker 2 mic, no more radio	01:29
javispedro	headset.	01:29
javispedro	ok.	01:29
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javispedro	don't do that for the time being =), use headphones only. will fix later.	01:31
javispedro	cya!	01:31
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: pressure in turbine containment >2* ABS MAX. Venting impossible, not enough power left over to operate the valves	02:15
DocScrutinizer	evacuation radius extended from 3km to 10km	02:17
SpeedEvil	Eeek.	02:19
DocScrutinizer	radiation in control room 1000* normal	02:19
* SpeedEvil cues the 'brave sir Robin' song.		02:19
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DocScrutinizer	CNN swaggers about concrete containments, enormous safeguard system in Japan's nuke plants, and about not even a core meltdown is a really severe thing, ""as you can see looking at 3 miles island""	02:22
SpeedEvil	In some ways that's right. Done right.	02:24
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DocScrutinizer	time for 12648430 ☕	02:24
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DrGrov	So, Japan could actually stand a core meltdown?	02:31
DocScrutinizer	funny Japanese can't react on events directly, as everything has to get reported up to minister of energy or whatever, and when he says "OK, throw that switch" then they can do. Then report back "switch blocked, shall we use secondary switch?"	02:31
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is funny	02:32
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Not when happening disasters etc. but otherwise.	02:33
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Did you get any sources on that CNN about the plants and a core meltdown is not a severe thing?	02:33
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DocScrutinizer	http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear.plants.qanda/index.html?hpt=T2	02:39
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DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Thank you, will read it	02:42
DocScrutinizer	actually you shouldn't - it's directly from Siemens marketing nonsense	02:43
* merlin1991 officially hates cmake in scratchbox		02:43
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DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: How do you mean?	02:45
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Is there any risk of any radioactive waste landing in Europe?	02:45
DocScrutinizer	DrGrov: I don't agree with the generally pro-nuklear notion in that CNN article	02:46
DocScrutinizer	DrGrov: I think it's not objective	02:46
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: I see. So no risk for Europe in this case? Apparently no new Chernobyl?	02:47
DocScrutinizer	nobody knows	02:47
DrGrov	Yes of course. There is always a chance that it might get into Europe as well that radioactive waste.	02:47
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villager	regardless of bias, I do believe the modern japanese knows how to build safer nuclear plants than the russians were back then	02:52
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merlin1991	I'm lost atm, where do app icons and .desktop files go /usr/share/applictions/hildon and /usr/share/icons/hicolor... or the folders in /opt/maemo	02:55
* DocScrutinizer is all for 1 day of downtime for every minute of delay between the moment any remarkable incident is happening in a nuklear power plant, and the moment this info is propagated to the authorities (at least 3 independent entities, like local fireguard, district emergency management, ministry)		02:55
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Corsac	DocScrutinizer: there's no need to limit that to nuclear power plants though	02:56
Corsac	chemical industry, petrol raffineries, whatever	02:56
merlin1991	anyone care to enlight me?	02:56
DocScrutinizer	true	02:56
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: depends. If your icon is significantly larger than a symlink (which it regularly is), then it goes to /opt and gets symlinked from /usr/share	02:57
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: at least that's my take on it	02:58
ZogG_work	Venemo: where are you from?	02:59
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: don't ask me though if this auto-optification thingie is doing that for you	02:59
ZogG_work	i see you mostly at nights around here	02:59
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DocScrutinizer	\o/ auxiliary cooling system down in a second reactor block	03:03
Venemo	ZogG_work: Hungary	03:04
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Venemo	ZogG_work: and you?	03:05
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: I'm infected by a heretical idea - powerkernel for meego	03:30
DocScrutinizer	on N900-maemo we got the neutered kernel Nokia flavoured for us. On N900-meego we see a similar problem, as the meego paradigm seems still forbids a lot of desirable hacks that never will go upstream. E.G. hostmode, proper drivers for LP5523-LYSTII LED driver, LIS302 accelerometer etc	03:34
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erstazi	DocScrutinizer: have you used the power kernel for maemo?	03:36
DocScrutinizer	The particular issues are quite different, almost diametrically opposite, to what we see on maemo kernel. Still the overall rationale justifying a powerkernel feels similar	03:36
DocScrutinizer	erstazi: well, I'm supposed to, don't you think? :-D	03:37
erstazi	DocScrutinizer: haha	03:37
erstazi	DocScrutinizer: joshing you	03:37
DocScrutinizer	at very least to check if h-e-n got properly integrated	03:37
* merlin1991 applied for extras-devel upload rights :)		03:38
ZogG_work	Venemo: Israel	03:43
ZogG_work	Venemo: wanted to ask, if i have static int func, where do i anounce it in class in *.h file ?	03:43
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: oh and you too here, do you ever sleep guys?	03:44
DocScrutinizer	nah, I can't. every 30 min some fool is highlighting and asking me if I'm asleep ;-P	03:46
ZogG_work	haha so u are saying you are connected to computer and get electric shock on every highlight?	03:46
* merlin1991 highlights DocScrutinizer for the lulz		03:46
DocScrutinizer	duh, tsunami hit California shore now?	03:49
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I am watching CNN International and it sure seems like a tsunami has hit the California shore	03:52
ZogG_work	yeah	03:52
ZogG_work	we getting close to 2012	03:52
DocScrutinizer	eh?	03:53
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DocScrutinizer	maya calendar?	03:53
DocScrutinizer	or was it Aztec	03:54
ZogG_work	dead world calendar	03:54
DrGrov	Just happy not live anywhere where there is a risk for a tsunami	03:54
DrGrov	Finland is a safe place for nature disasters	03:54
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: it was google calendar	03:54
DrGrov	Hope all well for the Japanese people	03:54
DocScrutinizer	err, they are facing ~3 core meltdowns in their nuclear powerplants	03:55
ZogG_work	If i was japanese i would sent some nuces to you. it's all about sharing	03:55
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: One more and they'd have a quad	03:55
ZogG_work	lolcat: yeah they are bleding-edge	03:56
dangergrrl	don't have to worry much in central texas about natural disasters	03:58
dangergrrl	the tornados stop north of here	03:58
n900evil	DrGrov: volcanos, earthquake, flash flood, fire.	03:59
dangergrrl	too far inland for hurricanes to be a major problem	03:59
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dangergrrl	grew up with hurricanes, those are intense	03:59
dangergrrl	great reason to have a party and get trashed	03:59
n900evil	Most harsh weather here is -20C some winters.	04:00
dangergrrl	brrr	04:00
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dangergrrl	i prefer colorado	04:00
dangergrrl	but i'm here for now	04:00
n900evil	-14 is more common few nights a year temp.	04:00
dangergrrl	it was -28C one morning last year when i was in denver	04:01
dangergrrl	that was brutal	04:01
dangergrrl	it was also not fun when we got 1m of snow in 24 hours :)	04:02
ZogG_work	n900evil: than u are not evil	04:02
dangergrrl	maybe they have an evil n900 :)	04:03
dangergrrl	i'm beginning to think mine could be possessed	04:03
ZogG_work	haha	04:03
ZogG_work	watching swordfish	04:03
dangergrrl	it's made me flash it twice	04:03
n900evil	1m in 24h would be bad.	04:03
n900evil	Swordfish has two good points.	04:03
dangergrrl	ok, the first time i know what i did wrong	04:03
dangergrrl	the second time i was sure i did it right and it crashed even wierder	04:04
dangergrrl	i'm gonna try again later a little different	04:05
dangergrrl	i hate it when i try to do something myself my own way and i break something	04:06
ZogG_work	n900evil: like?	04:06
n900evil	ZogG_work: On Ms Berry.	04:07
ZogG_work	i don't remember the movie	04:07
ZogG_work	that's why i rewatch it	04:07
psycho_oreos	swordfish was lame movie	04:08
ZogG_work	psycho_oreos: you are lame	04:09
psycho_oreos	ZogG_work, I know you are	04:09
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: wake up	04:09
DocScrutinizer51	GRRRRRRR	04:10
ZogG_work	tell him i'm awesome	04:10
psycho_oreos	lol	04:10
psycho_oreos	failbus	04:10
DocScrutinizer51	California: 1 person missed, damage of up to $2M, after first tsunami reaching the shore	04:12
ZogG_work	haha i like the way he types	04:13
ZogG_work	i know people who types like that	04:13
ZogG_work	but they acvtually type things	04:13
ZogG_work	and all hsit he is doing is stupid	04:13
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ZogG_work	how do you crack something when u have only login and he somehowe gets to console to crack 128 bit encryption with even no bruteforce	04:15
ZogG_work	haha now i got it	04:16
ZogG_work	the hackers family name was torvalds	04:16
ZogG_work	and he is Finish	04:16
ZogG_work	lol	04:16
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: sounds fun.	04:17
ZogG_work	it's obv, this person just took 2M$ and ran away	04:18
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: what exactly?	04:19
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer51: powerkernel.	04:19
DocScrutinizer51	aah	04:19
GeneralAntilles	Although sounds complicated considering the hardware requirements.	04:19
DocScrutinizer51	damn, Kesenuma looks like Dresden on fire	04:21
ZogG_work	why don't you sleep or out on friday night?	04:21
ZogG_work	i think i'm on nerds chan	04:21
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GeneralAntilles	ZogG_work, sitting in the family room with family.	04:22
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ZogG_work	GeneralAntilles: wrong	04:23
GeneralAntilles	Yes.	04:23
ZogG_work	you sit in a room full of family woth your n900laptop or whatever	04:23
ZogG_work	they have those old nokia pgones with antena	04:24
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: what's complicated in porting a few nice drivers / patches to meego kernel	04:24
ZogG_work	halle berry is hot	04:25
ZogG_work	GeneralAntilles: so u are from stockholme	04:26
GeneralAntilles	Florida	04:26
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer: shit if I know. g	04:26
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dangergrrl	there are some broken suggests: in package dependencies	04:27
ZogG_work	hmm whois was wrong than	04:27
dangergrrl	findutils-gnu seems to suggest mlocate, slocate, and locate	04:27
* merlin1991 finally got the package to build		04:27
dangergrrl	none of which exists	04:27
merlin1991	time for bed :D	04:27
dangergrrl	findutils should include slocate	04:27
GeneralAntilles	ZogG_work: my host is masked.	04:30
ZogG_work	GeneralAntilles: you are ninja hacker	04:31
ZogG_work	can't be seen	04:31
ZogG_work	can't be cut	04:32
GeneralAntilles	I can probably be cut.	04:32
GeneralAntilles	But let's not test it out.	04:32
ZogG_work	too late, the car is on its way	04:32
* GeneralAntilles loads up the Mauser.		04:34
ZogG_work	they do have floppies	04:38
ZogG_work	i used to use old floppies	04:38
ZogG_work	big ones	04:38
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ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: don't sleep man	04:39
DocScrutinizer	you're 15s early	04:40
ZogG_work	do you have charts of my highlights	04:40
* DocScrutinizer adjusts ZogG_work's PC RTC with a taser		04:41
ZogG_work	i have a laser	04:42
ZogG_work	i bet DocScrutinizer doesn't have a family	04:44
ZogG_work	he had a pretty woman but he changed her for computers	04:44
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DocScrutinizer	wait, I think there's 2 or 3 X-ray laser sats left over from last year. Let's see if I fire one for you, ZogG_work	04:45
ZogG_work	i'm waiting	04:46
ZogG_work	take the misery out	04:46
ZogG_work	my misery*	04:46
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DocScrutinizer	a pity as every one of them has 16 lead rods to fire 16 beams at arbitrary targets, just the fission power source is a one shot thing. So I have to waste 15 beams into empty space for that one greeting to you	04:47
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ZogG_work	i would say you exact coordinates	04:49
ZogG_work	but n900's gps sucks	04:49
DocScrutinizer	nah, I'll save this one for a better time	04:49
DocScrutinizer	you forgot my true nature. I'm skynet so I know exactly where you are	04:49
Pillum	hey guys	04:50
DocScrutinizer	wait... these last 50m have a certain uncertainty	04:51
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: i'm behind goverment proxy	04:52
DocScrutinizer	lol	04:52
ZogG_work	actually that one is true	04:53
Pillum	hm	04:53
DocScrutinizer	yeah, quite helpful to determine your exact position. Just those last 50m, something's fishy with them	04:54
Pillum	im stoned and wanna code something for n900..	04:54
Pillum	but what?	04:54
DocScrutinizer	psychedelic patterns :-D	04:54
ZogG_work	Pillum: what are u good at?	04:54
DocScrutinizer	r33b.net	04:54
Pillum	lol	04:54
ZogG_work	and are u that stoned?	04:54
DocScrutinizer	http://r33b.net	04:54
Pillum	not that anymore	04:55
Pillum	I got excellent C++ skills	04:55
Pillum	but no idea atm	04:55
Pillum	and also no n900 :(	04:55
Pillum	because of broken mini usb port	04:55
Pillum	the 3rd time	04:55
DocScrutinizer	micro	04:55
Pillum	...	04:55
ZogG_work	haha	04:55
ZogG_work	Pillum: maybe at least one can make google calendar integration	04:56
ZogG_work	or i know	04:56
Pillum	is the calender widget open?	04:56
ZogG_work	Pillum: go to waze and download source coed for android and adapt it to n900	04:56
Pillum	what is waze?!	04:57
ZogG_work	Pillum: yes, the community widget	04:57
DocScrutinizer	(mode #maemo b	04:57
ZogG_work	there is home widget calendar it is from someone from community i think	04:57
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: you are fail	04:57
ZogG_work	Pillum: waze is nice nav program	04:57
Pillum	ZogG_work: I can only code Qt4-only apps, because I got no n900 atm :S	04:59
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Pillum	I just a personal bus driver here :D	04:59
DocAvalanche	ZogG_work: you're late	04:59
Pillum	he didnt know the way so I told him the way home	04:59
ZogG_work	DocAvalanche: ?	04:59
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ZogG_work	Pillum: you can port it to qt app for computer and than it would be easy to port to maemo	05:00
ZogG_work	it's almost unix program	05:00
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Pillum	ZogG_work: which one? calendar or waze?	05:00
ZogG_work	waze	05:00
Pillum	lol	05:01
ZogG_work	it is open source	05:01
Pillum	and how to test the gps function on my pc? :S	05:01
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ZogG_work	Pillum: network onre	05:01
ZogG_work	it works with it as well	05:01
Pillum	network onre?	05:01
Pillum	what is this?	05:02
ZogG_work	one*	05:02
Pillum	aaaaand still	05:02
Pillum	what is this?	05:02
ZogG_work	it's like geolocation in browsers with no gps	05:02
Pillum	:)	05:02
Pillum	ahh	05:02
ZogG_work	n900 uses it too btw	05:02
ZogG_work	both with gps	05:03
Pillum	hm	05:04
Pillum	I dont find the source codes of this program	05:04
ZogG_work	lemme find and link to you	05:04
ZogG_work	http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Source_code	05:06
Pillum	are the UI all the same?	05:07
Pillum	or should I port a specific version	05:07
DocScrutinizer	hmm, now that I got that bare PCB, I should order a handful of spare speakers	05:08
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ZogG_work	Pillum: let's say androids one is cool	05:09
ZogG_work	as well as you can see gtk in source	05:10
ZogG_work	and even qt is mentioned	05:10
Pillum	lol	05:10
Pillum	ok	05:10
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ZogG_work	kerio: hello	05:10
ZogG_work	for coffee press 1	05:11
ZogG_work	for tea press 2	05:11
Pillum	2	05:12
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Pillum	nice	05:12
Pillum	:D	05:12
ZogG_work	wanna milk cream?	05:12
Pillum	does WazeforAndroid support landscape mode?	05:13
Pillum	lol	05:13
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Pillum	but I pressed 2 for tea :(	05:13
ZogG_work	ERROR	05:13
ZogG_work	ERROR	05:13
Pillum	oh noes	05:13
Pillum	I broke it	05:13
Pillum	:(	05:13
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pupnik	moo	05:16
Pillum	wtf is that	05:16
psycho_oreos	cow	05:16
ZogG_work	Pillum: i think it does have it	05:16
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ZogG_work	Pillum: just give us something =)	05:17
Pillum	ZogG_work: but wtf is that#	05:17
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Pillum	its for android	05:17
Pillum	and the ´wiki says	05:17
Pillum	its not using the ndk	05:18
ZogG_work	ndk?	05:18
Pillum	so why the hell is there C source code?	05:18
Pillum	Native Development Kit	05:18
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ZogG_work	sure it's for android otherwise why would we need port?	05:18
ZogG_work	cause it's written in C for droid and symbian and windows	05:18
pupnik	whet	05:18
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ZogG_work	for android it uses openglse btw	05:18
Pillum	but you cannot code with C for android without using the NDK	05:19
Pillum	its impossible	05:19
ZogG_work	i dunno	05:19
ZogG_work	take symbian code	05:19
ZogG_work	or win mobile code	05:19
pupnik	what prog	05:20
* pupnik stabs		05:20
ZogG_work	i can't tell you	05:20
ZogG_work	otherwise i'll spoil surprise Pillum want to make us all	05:20
pupnik	L	05:20
Pillum	:D	05:21
ZogG_work	L?	05:21
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ZogG_work	Pillum: there is iphone source	05:21
pupnik	ok	05:21
ZogG_work	there is source of source =)	05:21
Pillum	lol	05:21
ZogG_work	Pillum: btw you can use freemap-il from extras as this program is based on it	05:21
ZogG_work	it's like 2.0 of freemap-il and now it's international, covers major coutriesd in the world	05:22
ZogG_work	Pillum: so is it doable?	05:23
ZogG_work	!ping	05:24
ZogG_work	~ping	05:24
infobot	~pong	05:24
ZogG_work	i thought i was timeouted	05:24
Pillum	lol	05:25
Pillum	just need to crawl me through the source code	05:25
Pillum	atm I dont know what is what	05:25
pupnik	hah they rann the openpandora at 14mhz in low-power mode	05:25
ZogG_work	Pillum: look most of libs there are native in linux	05:25
ZogG_work	agg, libpng	05:25
pupnik	'was too slow, got clock drift'	05:26
pupnik	lol	05:26
Pillum	yeah	05:26
Pillum	but what is this roadmap?	05:26
Pillum	it looks like roadmap is the app	05:26
Pillum	but why waze then	05:26
Pillum	lülz	05:26
ZogG_work	it's the program	05:26
ZogG_work	don't ask me	05:26
Pillum	lol	05:26
pupnik	"Back at the beginning, low power mode used to drop the CPU to 14Mhz, a speed so low it couldn't keep up with the normal tasks, and the software clock suffered. With HF4, that was increased to 125Mhz and it no longer has any problems keeping up. That's why I asked which hotfix he was using. That won't be it anymore, though, mine sits in low power mode 18 hours a day and it hasn't lost any time."	05:27
ZogG_work	14MHz?	05:28
ZogG_work	is it possible?	05:28
ZogG_work	i think my mouse has more	05:28
Pillum	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=965940	05:29
Pillum	seems like someone is already at porting	05:29
Pillum	dont want to reinvent the wheel	05:30
Pillum	when somebody already did	05:30
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ZogG_work	Pillum: noone does	05:32
Pillum	whats with damagedspline	05:32
Pillum	he said he is doing	05:32
ZogG_work	06-13-10 , 04:41 PM	05:33
ZogG_work	i doubt his phase of finishing was half year ago and no realese still	05:34
ZogG_work	Pillum: ?	05:39
pupnik	That is obviously shopped you can tell by the pixels and i've seen alot of photoshops in my time.	05:39
pupnik	http://twitpic.com/43b0ql state of the art production surface	05:43
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Pillum	what is shopped?	05:44
ZogG_work	i think pupnik's face shopped	05:45
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dangergrrl	how do i tell if it's booting or not?	05:49
ZogG_work	pupnik: bend back, no intence to have butt sex with you. sorry, not gay	05:49
dangergrrl	rcS should be taking a long time actually	05:49
ZogG_work	dangergrrl: all you need to ask	05:49
dangergrrl	well, i put:	05:50
dangergrrl	/sbin/parted /dev/mmcblk0 resize 2 20.0gb 31.1gb >/etc/done 2>&1	05:50
dangergrrl	in there	05:50
pupnik	trash is trash	05:51
ZogG_work	it can take a loooot of time	05:51
ZogG_work	why do u do it?	05:51
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dangergrrl	http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352281/ i put all that in there	05:52
dangergrrl	so it is failsafe	05:52
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pupnik	dangergrrl: did you apply kernel io fixes before starting that	05:52
dangergrrl	trying to resize /home without erasing and having to resture	05:52
dangergrrl	i need the kernel from extras-testing for parted to work?	05:53
pupnik	no	05:53
pupnik	just /proc settings	05:53
dangergrrl	no i didn't	05:53
dangergrrl	i installed bash and ssh and coreutils and that's about all	05:54
pupnik	you might want to go do something else, like a ski trip	05:54
pupnik	then come back	05:54
dangergrrl	i've flashed twice since i started this	05:54
pupnik	fly to vegas for the wknd	05:54
dangergrrl	and i can't tell if it's booting or not, it flashed the boot screens and now flashing amber light	05:54
pupnik	well i've done large file copy operations that have slowed to a crawl	05:55
dangergrrl	when it's up that parted command gives output that it can't do it because the filesystem is mounted instead of complaining about the args	05:55
pupnik	i expect parted will trigger the same issues	05:56
pupnik	right	05:56
dangergrrl	so i am hoping it parameter checked and those params are correct	05:56
pupnik	so enjoy your trip	05:56
pupnik	be around monday	05:56
dangergrrl	i just wish i knew how to tell if it was booting right now or not	05:58
dangergrrl	if i hold the power button and it's booting it will stop	05:58
ZogG_work	i say u screwed	05:59
dangergrrl	i'll eat dinner and such and try the power button then	06:00
pupnik	don't listen to ZogG_work	06:00
ZogG_work	Pillum: so u decided not to?	06:00
ZogG_work	pupnik: u can shu down me	06:00
ZogG_work	shut down one oafter me	06:00
ZogG_work	but there would be always more	06:00
ZogG_work	one instead	06:00
ZogG_work	u can't stop us	06:01
Pillum	ZogG_work: I think I'll do it	06:01
Pillum	even though I wont need a navi on my n900	06:01
Pillum	since I got sygic	06:01
ZogG_work	did u look over code btw?	06:03
ZogG_work	did i missunderstood or there is gtk there	06:03
Pillum	it seems like its using gtk only for opengl context creation	06:04
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Pillum	and that is roadmap	06:07
Pillum	http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/screen-route.png	06:07
ZogG_work	http://www.cnet.com/i/bto/20090706/waze15_270x404.png	06:09
ZogG_work	and this is waze	06:09
Pillum	and I only see roadmap_* files	06:09
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dangergrrl	the light turned green	06:15
ZogG_work	Pillum: aroadmap is only for processing maps and gui is separete probably	06:15
dangergrrl	it must be booting, yes?	06:15
ZogG_work	fully charged is green	06:16
Pillum	but you are sure, that this is waze?	06:16
dangergrrl	whether it's booting or down...	06:17
Pillum	cause even the welcome.bmp says	06:17
Pillum	its freemap	06:17
ZogG_work	go to android folder	06:17
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Pillum	ZogG_work: its around 5k lines of source code	06:30
Pillum	so it will need its time	06:30
Pillum	5k lines of source code to port	06:30
ZogG_work	i would look into it as well	06:30
ZogG_work	wanted to do it today	06:30
Pillum	the rest are common shared things	06:31
ZogG_work	but forgot AC adapter for laptop =(	06:31
Pillum	you know c/c++?	06:31
ZogG_work	not really	06:31
Pillum	lol	06:31
Pillum	how would you want to port it hen?	06:31
ZogG_work	but that's the way u learn	06:31
Pillum	lol	06:31
ZogG_work	i understand here and there	06:31
Pillum	I learned it with a few lines of command line games	06:32
Pillum	not with a 50k source cdode line application	06:32
Pillum	:D	06:32
Pillum	anyway im going to bed	06:33
ZogG_work	i'm going to bed soon as well	06:33
Pillum	write me a pm tomorrow	06:33
ZogG_work	talk to you other day	06:33
Pillum	or so	06:33
Pillum	that I wont forget it :D	06:33
ZogG_work	i'm almost always around here	06:34
ZogG_work	not always at computer actually but mostly online anyway	06:34
Pillum	lol	06:34
Pillum	im at night here	06:34
Pillum	only at night	06:34
ZogG_work	ZogG: <- me	06:34
Pillum	and not every day	06:34
Pillum	and when im here I usually work on some games	06:34
Pillum	ZogG_work: where are you from?	06:34
Pillum	usa?	06:34
Pillum	china?	06:35
ZogG_work	i'm at nioghts only when i do not work next morning or i have night shift	06:35
ZogG_work	Pillum: Israel	06:35
pupnik	what games Pillum	06:35
ZogG_work	pupnik: strip poker	06:35
Pillum	:D	06:35
pupnik	?	06:35
ZogG_work	naked ladies in ASCII is the msot sext thing	06:35
ZogG_work	Pillum: u r usa?	06:36
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Pillum	no	06:36
Pillum	im pakistan	06:36
ZogG_work	seriously?	06:36
Pillum	no	06:36
Pillum	:D	06:36
Pillum	germany	06:36
ZogG_work	than it's raxist from you	06:36
doc\|home	:D	06:36
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Pillum	:D	06:36
doc\|home	yeah man, don't be raxist	06:36
Pillum	lol	06:36
Pillum	ok, i wont be raxist	06:36
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: damn man, do u sleep?	06:37
ZogG_work	all you germans trying to conquer the chan	06:37
DocScrutinizer	what makes you think I ever sleep?	06:37
ZogG_work	pupnik: and you too	06:37
ZogG_work	DocScrutinizer: you don't	06:37
ZogG_work	actually i come here and almost everytime u online	06:37
Pillum	uhh	06:38
Pillum	a stalker	06:38
Pillum	:S	06:38
ZogG_work	and i come in different times of day	06:38
ZogG_work	so there are 2 options	06:38
ZogG_work	or u never sleep	06:38
ZogG_work	or we are soulmates and made for each other	06:38
Pillum	no	06:38
Pillum	doc is mine :(	06:38
ZogG_work	haha u wish	06:38
Pillum	and I wont share	06:38
Pillum	nanana	06:38
Pillum	:D	06:38
ZogG_work	all you can make a dull rabbit style german porn	06:39
ZogG_work	i would say thank you for those tapes i stoled from parents when i was young	06:39
ZogG_work	i would even say i grew up on them	06:39
ZogG_work	but still man	06:39
Pillum	lol	06:39
Pillum	1. im not german. only born, grew up and living here	06:40
ZogG_work	so how come u are not german	06:40
Pillum	2. why does the world think, german make kinky and filthy porn	06:40
ZogG_work	u live here and born there	06:40
Pillum	im turkish :P	06:40
ZogG_work	Pillum: not kinky and fithy	06:40
ZogG_work	didn';t say it	06:40
Pillum	but the rest of the world says so	06:41
ZogG_work	porn just made a lot of porn back when there were tapes	06:41
ZogG_work	and they made it like dogs	06:41
ZogG_work	i mean technical sex	06:41
ZogG_work	with no emotions	06:41
ZogG_work	only screaming yayayaya	06:41
ZogG_work	if i want kinky i would go for asian	06:42
Pillum	lol	06:42
doc\|home	hey, I had israeli porn that made exactly that noise	06:42
doc\|home	that's uncanny	06:42
ZogG_work	they are f'ed up	06:42
ZogG_work	doc\|home: share the name	06:42
doc\|home	ZogG_work: can't remember	06:42
ZogG_work	i saw only few israeli porns	06:42
ZogG_work	one i got that it's israeli by their tattos	06:43
Pillum	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvsOOQwtPg	06:43
ZogG_work	and davids star on his chest	06:43
ZogG_work	i'm falling asleep	06:43
ZogG_work	but my shift ends in 15 mins	06:43
ZogG_work	so it's ok	06:43
ZogG_work	\o/	06:43
Pillum	had night shift?	06:44
ZogG_work	yeap	06:44
ZogG_work	almost all fridays	06:44
ZogG_work	or friday night or sat morning	06:44
ZogG_work	that's my weekends =(	06:44
ZogG_work	trying to find some IT work	06:44
ZogG_work	but noon wants me	06:44
Pillum	lol	06:44
Pillum	sad story, bro	06:45
ZogG_work	gonna get dressed i think\	06:45
Pillum	naked at work?	06:45
Pillum	:D	06:45
Pillum	nice	06:45
ZogG_work	Pillum: f them, their lost =)	06:45
ZogG_work	Pillum: nope, uniform	06:46
ZogG_work	security guy	06:46
Pillum	what uniform?	06:46
Pillum	lol	06:46
ZogG_work	^	06:46
Pillum	IT guy does physical security	06:46
Pillum	:D	06:46
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ZogG_work	what can i do	06:46
ZogG_work	i'm not IT	06:46
ZogG_work	and has no education yet	06:47
ZogG_work	soooo while studing it suits me	06:47
ZogG_work	but i'm too tierd of this shit and last months i get less and less money	06:47
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ZogG_work	morning	06:54
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DocScrutinizer	duh, now 5 coremelts pending	06:57
DocScrutinizer	and the new quake doesn't exactly help, though it's only been a 6.6	06:58
doc\|home	"only" :/	06:58
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DocScrutinizer	I really feel sorry for them	07:00
doc\|home	yeah	07:00
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: you ordered your speakers?	07:00
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: I got this PCB today, so I ordered 4 speakers, just in case... :-D	07:02
DocScrutinizer	shipping was 5 weeks and a few, but hey, it ships for free	07:03
pupnik	DocScrutinizer: i couldn't decide between the speakers with the correct picture or the ones with the correct description	07:05
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DocScrutinizer	ooh	07:08
DocScrutinizer	they are pretty fast on answering questions	07:09
DocScrutinizer	like 10 min	07:09
pupnik	wow	07:09
DocScrutinizer	probably not in 6 hours though, when their office hours are over	07:10
pupnik	it's a bit of an insult to ask 'is the part you labled "n900 speaker" really a n900 speaker'?	07:10
DocScrutinizer	nah, tell them you got confused about the picture and the description don't match for you	07:11
pupnik	k	07:12
DocScrutinizer	chinese people are very polite, and they don't like to say no, but also don't like to 'lose their face'	07:12
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DocScrutinizer	let me know what they answered	07:13
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ds3	why do you want a speaker for the N900?	07:20
pupnik	so i can hear it ring	07:20
pupnik	ds3: the n900 speaker looks like this one http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n82-e72-e66-x6-n85-cell-phone-speaker.html	07:22
pupnik	here's their n900 speaker http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html	07:22
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ds3	is it suppose to be louder or?	07:28
pupnik	my original speakers (or amplifier) has broken and usually i get no sounds	07:29
ds3	OHhhhh gotca	07:29
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DocScrutinizer2	pupnik: any answer? I might want to change my order ;-D	07:43
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pupnik	DocScrutinizer: i didn't see an email	07:43
pupnik	i sppose i could register	07:44
DocScrutinizer	I registered and posted directly on the order, via "start conversation"	07:45
DocScrutinizer	they just confirmed my payment, should hurry now	07:45
pupnik	i'd like a mini keyboard for my 7" tablet	07:46
pupnik	that would make it funnerer	07:46
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woodyjlw	is this a good channel to talk about nokia n900? need to flash it to factory mode with ubuntu and it is running maemo on it now	07:57
ds3	pupnik: A70?	07:57
pupnik	hi ds3 yes	07:58
pupnik	i haven't seen ubuntu on n900	07:58
ds3	pupnik: have you gotten it running well enough to be useable with Angstrom?	07:58
woodyjlw	no im using ubuntu to flash n900	07:58
pupnik	ds3: http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=45396	07:59
woodyjlw	is meego released yet or is it still being developed ?	07:59
pupnik	woodyjlw: there are releases every few weeks it seems	08:00
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ds3	pupnik: i have seen that before so I guess no other progress?	08:01
pupnik	right	08:04
pupnik	ever since i fixed the n900, coincidentally	08:05
ZogG	damn graf_choloko is russian =)	08:07
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: typical chinese answer :-D >> "ok, We will ship N900 speaker to you, please no worries. Thanks." – Ownta Sales Team	08:08
DocScrutinizer	5 coremelts pending, one probably already in progress - caesium escaped from containment	08:10
DocScrutinizer	anybody knows where to get info about surface and 2500, 5000, 10000ft winds over Japan?	08:12
pupnik	lol\	08:13
pupnik	japanese reactors coremelting?!	08:13
ds3	DocScrutinizer: where are you getting the reports? BBC don't seem to have that much details	08:13
DocScrutinizer	german TV is quite good at gathering info bits	08:14
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: yep, 5 for now, AIUI. 2 in Fukushima-1 and 3 in Fukushima-2	08:17
pupnik	seems a little silly	08:18
DocScrutinizer	silly maybe isn't exactly the word I'd use	08:18
pupnik	japanese reactors not water-proof apparently	08:20
DocScrutinizer	obviously in both power plants the generators broke and emergency cooling is running from batteries, which last for a few hours. They seem unable to bring mobile generators of sufficient power to the reactors, so core melt is somewhat guaranteed as soon as batteries are depleted, which seems they already did for one block of Fukushima-1	08:21
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pupnik	they should build reactors where fuel needs to be added	08:23
pupnik	and if it isn't added, reaction stops	08:23
DocScrutinizer	evacuation of 51,000 residents	08:23
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: that's indeed the basic problem of fission reactors. The process needs to be stopped actively while it continues without any further support	08:24
pupnik	not all fission reactor designs apparently	08:25
yigal	if there isn't material for fission to occur then it won't	08:25
yigal	produce a process that H_2 or what ever is in a controlled supply	08:26
yigal	problem solved	08:26
DocScrutinizer	that's the point. You need a subcritical but rather high mass of reaction material	08:26
pupnik	http://www.truthaboutenergy.com/Fast%20Breeder%20Plant.htm fast breeders - killed by 'environmentalists'	08:26
woodyjlw	I would like to find a way to back up all my contacts from my n900 to my ubuntu laptop. is there a program in ubuntu that can help me with this?	08:26
DocScrutinizer	woodyjlw: simplest way: export_as_vcards in N900 contacts app, then copy/move that file to buntkuh and import to your PIM there	08:28
yigal	pupnik: thanks for the '' in 'environmentalists'	08:28
DocScrutinizer	around	08:29
doc\|home	DocScrutinizer: can't they remove the fuel?	08:29
DocScrutinizer	nope	08:29
doc\|home	why not?	08:29
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DocScrutinizer	the containment is at 2 times max allowed pressure, nobody can go inside and remove extremely hot and "hot" fuel rods	08:30
yigal	robots	08:30
yigal	or mechanized arms	08:30
doc\|home	robots get fried?	08:30
yigal	at what temperature	08:30
DocScrutinizer	prior to replacing/removing fuel rods the reactor has to chill down some weeks	08:30
yigal	man poor Japan	08:31
DocScrutinizer	yeah	08:31
ds3	wonder if they can fill it with bird shot	08:34
DocScrutinizer	for now it seems they can't even get out the pressure, as the batteries don't even have the energy to operate the vent valves	08:35
DocScrutinizer	hard to fill it with anything	08:35
ds3	oh	08:35
yigal	interesting, google "japan nuclear" first hit is from Aljazeera	08:35
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Venemo	ZogG: static functions have 2 possible meanings, one of which doesn't need declaring in the .h file	08:41
Venemo	ZogG: 1) a static function is either a function which belongs to a class, but not particular instances of it -> you declare these in the class declaration	08:42
Venemo	ZogG: 2) static functions which are not members of a class are used to make a function only accessible from a single source file	08:42
doc\|home	yigal: unsurprisingly aljazeera has better coverage of a lot of stuff :/	08:44
doc\|home	cnn = ass	08:44
doc\|home	in fact, I'm going to buy some shares so I can propose they change their name to that, as it's more appropriate, at a shareholders meeting	08:45
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DocScrutinizer	Venemo: isn't the portable-assembler nature of C amazing! only an assembler coder might consider using "static" instead "local" for that purpose	09:00
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Venemo	DocScrutinizer: well, glib-based stuff written in C are full of static methods usually	09:01
DocScrutinizer	I'm talking about the syntax and the mindset of those that invented it	09:01
Venemo	mhm	09:02
Venemo	hm, I wasn't aware that there is a "local" keyword in C	09:02
DocScrutinizer	probably there isn't	09:02
DocScrutinizer	that's the point	09:03
Venemo	:)	09:03
Venemo	DocScrutinizer: the number of different purposes the static keyword has in C/C++ is amazing	09:06
DocScrutinizer	and I guess all of them are a reminiscence to the way the method is implemented on assembler level inside the compiler/generated opcode. Well, C = portable macro assembler	09:09
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DocScrutinizer	static basically will mean "use heap, not stack"	09:10
Venemo	yeah, basically	09:11
Venemo	anyway, I have to leave now	09:12
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Venemo	will be back later :)	09:12
Venemo	bb	09:12
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DocScrutinizer	finally info about wind: seaward, so fallout won't hit Japan ground directly	09:32
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doc\|home	DocScrutinizer: fully dispersed before it hits again? they were finding evidence of chernobyl in western europe before the russians ever admitted things went wrong	09:38
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pupnik	AFP says an explosion has been heard at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant	10:05
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, and Japan gvmt says it's not been at Fukushima-Daiichi	10:14
DocScrutinizer	sure, somebody is using up his left over fireworks there	10:15
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pupnik	Outer structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK	10:17
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derf	URL?	10:18
pupnik	this is all twitter stuff	10:18
derf	Useless.	10:19
doc\|home	does this mean we're all going to die?	10:20
doc\|home	fucking finally, can get some peace and quiet	10:20
DocScrutinizer	further explosions	10:23
doc\|home	cnn sucks balls	10:23
doc\|home	hard	10:23
DocScrutinizer	yeah, I noticed that some 12h ago ;-)	10:24
doc\|home	clap clap cnn	10:24
doc\|home	finally they mention something about it	10:24
doc\|home	idiots	10:24
doc\|home	that's it? 20 secs? idiots!	10:25
DocScrutinizer	authorities keep information back to avoid panic in Tokyo	10:27
doc\|home	because speculation is so much more useful	10:27
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DocScrutinizer	sure	10:27
doc\|home	that was one thing about the movie, 2012. They knew for years, but the politicians told no one, kept it to themselves to prevent panic. In turn, preventing people from looking after themselves.	10:28
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DocScrutinizer	first one definitely exploded	10:34
DocScrutinizer	4 more to blow up	10:35
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doc\|home	oh, video on ctv	10:38
doc\|home	fuck me that's a HGUE explosion	10:38
robbiethe1st	Hm, let me know when it appears on Youtube	10:39
doc\|home	fucking cnn... they have a title bar "COUNTDOWN TO MELTDOWN?"	10:40
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doc\|home	robbiethe1st: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU	10:43
doc\|home	oh, that's different to the one I saw	10:44
robbiethe1st	ty	10:44
doc\|home	the one I saw was way bigger than that	10:44
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doc\|home	hmmm, it's possible that this is what I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9ce3UDSow&NR=1 though that one doesn't show the initial explosion	10:46
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DocScrutinizer	nah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU is the real one - yummy huge clouds of uranium dust	10:52
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doc\|home	japan is now 3m more east than it used to be	11:01
DocScrutinizer	honestly?	11:02
derf	Yes.	11:02
DocScrutinizer	WTF?!	11:02
DocScrutinizer	used to be a week ago, or some thusand years ago?	11:02
derf	Used to be two days ago.	11:03
DocScrutinizer	incredible	11:03
derf	Also the earth's figure axis shifted 15 cm.	11:03
DocScrutinizer	yike	11:03
derf	The length of a day has been reduced by 1.6 us.	11:04
DocScrutinizer	well, that doesn't tell me much	11:04
DocScrutinizer	might be normal	11:04
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derf	The Chilean earthquake in 2010 reduced it by 1.2 us.	11:04
ccooke	Not the whole of japan - the reading is from an observatory in Miyagi prefecture (and last I heard, they were claiming 4m)	11:04
RST38bis	so, do we finally get a proper nuclear disaster?	11:07
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stonda	prolly not, the aftermath is going to be the same as in 1986.	11:08
SpeedEvil	Chernobyl was quite proper	11:08
stonda	enviromental groups attaining more interest in banning nuclear power	11:09
derf	'Malcolm Grimston, a nuclear energy expert from Imperial College London, has told the BBC that as long as any nuclear meltdown is small-scale, it can be contained: "For example, there was one in the Chapel Cross plant in south-west Scotland in the 1960s, and at the end of that it only affected two of what they call the fuel channels, the long tubes where the fuel is put. They simply sealed those off, there was no release of radioactivity offsite and the plant co	11:09
derf	I love the British.	11:09
RST38bis	it is not the British, it is Americans being extra squeamish about the whole nucular thing	11:10
SpeedEvil	Depressing that this happens.	11:10
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SpeedEvil	Just at the point that nuclear was looking a bit more likely in the UK.	11:11
DrGrov	Did the power plants nuclear reactor melt yet?	11:11
RST38bis	meltdown being kinda pop icon, after Simpsons et l	11:11
DrGrov	Well, did we get a nuclear disaster like Chernobyl?	11:12
psycho_oreos	too early to tell at this stage	11:12
DrGrov	Ok	11:12
DrGrov	Time to wait just then	11:12
RST38bis	apparently there was an explosion, one wall is gone	11:12
DrGrov	Eventually will get more news	11:12
RST38bis	too early to tell	11:13
DrGrov	Ok	11:13
DrGrov	Will check in later at cnn.com	11:13
DrGrov	Thanks for the info	11:13
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RST38bis	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPJAYyemN2I	11:13
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RST38bis	cannot watch it myself, gprs here	11:15
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doc\|home	it's just someone with a video camera recording tv footage of the previous video, with some french explosion sounds	11:16
doc\|home	night	11:17
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derf	What makes an explosion sound French?	11:18
maybeWTF	le boom	11:18
RST38bis	www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219	11:19
doc\|home	derf: if you watch the video you'll see, and understand	11:19
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doc\|home	it's like an english person making an explosion noise, only slightly less ... manly...	11:19
doc\|home	sorry, english speaking	11:20
doc\|home	:)	11:20
RST38bis	Residents of Fukushima are told to stay inside, seal windows, etc	11:20
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derf	And avoid vegetables.	11:21
derf	I love the Japanese, too.	11:21
RST38bis	certain vegetables	11:21
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derf	"NHK TV carrying advice to people to protect themselves against radiation. Experts say people should cover their mouths and noses with wet towels. Exposed skin should also be covered and people should wash after coming indoors. People should also avoid vegetables and other fresh food, as well as tap water, until authorities give the all-clear."	11:21
RST38bis	a reasonable advice	11:22
RST38bis	their police should be distributing iodine pills just about now, too	11:23
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doc\|home	man, if I'm living in the vicinity of a nuclear plant I'd have my own stock of iodine pills	11:23
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RST38bis	better have a car and drive off at the first signs of trouble	11:25
doc\|home	that too	11:25
n900evil	Avoid vegetables is such a stock answer.	11:26
n900evil	They mean outdoor veg that may be contaminated	11:26
RST38bis	Drink more red wine!	11:26
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derf	Or, lacking that, vodka.	11:28
derf	It won't help the radiation, but it'll get you drunk.	11:28
RST38bis	nah, red wine apparently does have some effect	11:29
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* RST38bis has seen this all happen up close in 1986		11:30
derf	Yes, red wine does. I doubt vodka does.	11:30
RST38bis	Although the Japanese definitely make their nuclear disaster look more hilarious than the Soviets	11:32
psycho_oreos	in Soviet Russia, communism owns you	11:33
RST38bis	(Reuters) - An explosion blew the roof off an unstable reactor north of Tokyo on Saturday, Japanese media said,	11:33
DocScrutinizer	well, we've all seen that if we watched the first video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU	11:36
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DocScrutinizer	you can see the enormous blowout vertically in the air at 0:48, to me it seems right from the center of the building. Then all sorts of crap and rocks flying several hundered meters away and the core and building dissolving in a nice radioactive brown cloud	11:38
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doc\|home	"Japan Orders Evacuation Near 2nd Nuclear Plant - Senior engineers at the Daiichi and Daini and operated by Tokyo Electric Power have stated that if they are not provided coolant within 48 hours, Tokyo could become the next Chernobyl with Tokyo becoming uninhabitable for 150 years."	11:39
RST38bis	have they got graphite or something similarly dusty there?	11:39
doc\|home	http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/world/asia/12nuclear.html?_r=1	11:39
DocScrutinizer	I said four are still pending	11:39
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DocScrutinizer	lol, 150??	11:40
RST38bis	also, what are the winds in that area?	11:40
doc\|home	i doubt that though, as the plant's 150miles away from tokyo, and supposedly winds were blowing out to sea	11:41
DocScrutinizer	is that how long it takes to dump everything there in a large hole? 10cm of soil	11:41
DocScrutinizer	RST38bis: seaward atm	11:41
doc\|home	it is the NY Times, apply salt	11:41
RST38bis	Neotokyo! Slums! Radiation signs! Gas masks! Furries! =)	11:41
doc\|home	RST38bis: I've seen stranger videos than all of those...	11:42
RST38bis	Doc: towards the US?	11:42
doc\|home	RST38bis: (japanese ones at that)	11:42
doc\|home	RST38bis: dunno	11:42
doc\|home	it's the japanese getting revenge (too soon for jokes?)	11:42
derf	RST38bis: Winds are blowing out to sea.	11:43
derf	The radiation will reach Washington State in about 7 days.	11:43
DocScrutinizer	doc\|home: definitely too early. 4 blocks pending to blast off	11:43
derf	Or at least that was the wind as of this morning.	11:43
derf	I don't know how stable it is there this time of year.	11:43
doc\|home	DocScrutinizer: man, 60 years isn't enough?	11:43
doc\|home	being serious though, obviously I hope it gets no worse	11:44
DocScrutinizer	it will	11:44
doc\|home	derf: might it have dispersed?	11:44
mortenvp_	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219	11:44
RST38bis	derf: johnx has left JP but it is following him!	11:44
doc\|home	hmmm, I really shouldn't make jokes. I'm just north of where it'll hit if it does	11:45
derf	doc\|home: I doubt anything released so far will matter by th time it gets there.	11:46
RST38bis	depends on what has been released...	11:47
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doc\|home	fuck, one way I do not want to die is a horrible cancer :/	11:48
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psycho_oreos	cancer from radiation released from atomic/nuclear powerplant isn't the only way to obtain one in the first place	11:50
doc\|home	well crappity	11:50
doc\|home	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_prevailing_winds_on_earth.png	11:50
doc\|home	psycho_oreos: of course not, but it won't help	11:50
psycho_oreos	doc\|home, it won't help what? panic attacks? if one was seriously that concerned, maybe they should move elsewhere. Natural disasters are inevitable and people are there to save their lives	11:51
derf	You've got about a 1/3 chance of dying from cancer, nuclear disaster or not.	11:51
doc\|home	psycho_oreos: way to miss the point	11:52
derf	If it bothers you, go hit the road for a while next week. Any luck and you'll get killed in a traffic accident.	11:52
doc\|home	thanks	11:52
pupnik	that depends on who you are	11:52
doc\|home	did someone switch on dick mode?	11:52
psycho_oreos	doc\|home, I don't think I'm missing the point, I think you're just concerned the radioactive waves from atomic/nuclear powerplants from Japan is a sign of revenge and is out there to kill you	11:53
RST38bis	has never been off	11:53
pupnik	isn't that smoke going inland	11:53
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doc\|home	psycho_oreos: again, that was a joke	11:53
RST38bis	sorry doc :)	11:53
psycho_oreos	doc\|home, a joke that has been dragged on for several minutes.. wow	11:54
doc\|home	psycho_oreos: yeah, it died ages ago, I've no idea why you just brought it back up	11:54
RST38bis	a'ok time to go spend some quality time with family	11:55
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psycho_oreos	doc\|home, like 5 minutes ago or so was ages	11:55
doc\|home	I was serious about it potentially coming across the pacific though, the only reason the rest of the world knew about chernobyl was because of the increased radiation levels in western europe	11:55
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DocScrutinizer	play nice, kids. World is an awful place without you bitching	11:57
DocScrutinizer	German expert estimates final evacuation radius like 100km	11:59
DocScrutinizer	of course depending on winds	11:59
DocScrutinizer	and no way that might NOT have been a core meltdown	12:00
doc\|home	http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/13/world/asia/13nuclear-a/13nuclear-a-popup.jpg	12:03
* pupnik watching the pressure wave climb past the top of the tower at the speed of sound		12:03
doc\|home	top pic before explosion, bottom pic after	12:03
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: yeah, it could be nice if it wasn't that dirty	12:05
pupnik	anybody know japanese? how did it happen? secondary cooling loop? primary?	12:06
n900evil	Godzilla.	12:07
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merlin1991	whom can I poke about extras-devel upload rights?	12:08
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: ??	12:09
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: the chill down emergency cooling failed when the batteries went flat. All other power sources got shaken or rinsed away	12:10
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: X-Fade	12:11
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: when the core evaporated all the cooling water and heated up the whole containment to several hundred degrees, the pressure got too high and the whole egg went pop	12:13
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: place an egg into your microwave and see what happens, quite similar effect :-D	12:14
DocScrutinizer	NO don't do that! it's actually dangerous	12:14
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pupnik	Fukushima starts with f u k	12:28
pupnik	DocScrutinizer: do you know what a primary and secondary loop is?	12:28
pupnik	i worked on a nice animation for that in 1993	12:29
pupnik	no 4	12:29
psycho_oreos	福島	12:29
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pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tA3jxqKoA Sky news with some commentary to the explosion and a picture of which building blew -- that's not a core building apparently	13:20
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RST38h	pupnik: It is a core building.	13:38
RST38h	Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2011-03-12_1800_NHK_S%C5%8Dg%C5%8D_channel_news_program_screen_shot.jpg	13:38
RST38h	Also see news summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events	13:39
pupnik	ohh	13:40
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pupnik	merlin1991: what kind of stats	13:43
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merlin1991	dl stats	13:43
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RST38h	It is the secondary containment hull, the one where they pumped all the radioactive gas from the primary hull	13:43
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wazd_	RST38h: hola :)	13:48
RST38h	heya wazd	13:48
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* RST38h wonders why all the "serious" news agencies like CNN, BBC, etc are reusing NHK footage		13:51
kerio	RST38h: would you go there to record stuff?	13:52
RST38h	kerio: Depends on the pay	13:52
RST38h	kerio: But yes, possibly.	13:52
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wazd_	RST38h: why have you ignored meego conference? :)	13:53
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RST38h	wazd: none of the nokia people I know were coming	13:54
RST38h	wazd: and had work to do =(	13:54
wazd_	RST38h: ah	13:55
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Jaffa	Morning, all	15:03
Jaffa	er, af'noon here admittedly.	15:03
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merlin1991	hey Jaffa	15:09
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wazd_	Jaffa: heya :)	15:16
wazd_	Jaffa: I was playing around a bit with CSSU icon	15:16
wazd_	Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png	15:16
merlin1991	wazd_: that looks awesome	15:17
korhojoa	wazd_: yeah, that does look awesome	15:17
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wazd_	cool :)	15:20
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Macer	i wonder if nokia was praying that htc got hit by a tsunami	15:22
wazd_	Macer: HTC is taiwan :)	15:24
SpeedEvil	Need a bigger tsunami.	15:24
SpeedEvil	Gotta get redmond too.	15:24
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Macer	hah	15:30
Macer	redmond i would give you	15:31
Macer	but htc isn't bad	15:31
dangergrrl	they don't make cool linux phones	15:33
dangergrrl	but apparently nokia does not intend to anymore either	15:33
dangergrrl	today i plan on breaking my pc while futzing with my n900	15:34
alterego	dangergrrl: that's not entirely true, they'll continue building a meego phone a year from what I can see.	15:35
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dangergrrl	we shall see	15:37
dangergrrl	so is there anything more fun than breaking the n900?	15:38
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psycho_oreos	breaking in what way?	15:43
MohammadAG	physically obviously	15:44
alterego	I find most fun in writing software to make it better.	15:44
MohammadAG	:p	15:44
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alterego	Building software is very rewarding I find. There's nothing quite like it.	15:44
psycho_oreos	someone must be awfully rich to must break their n900	15:45
alterego	Sense of achievement when your plan comes together and it all starts working.	15:45
psycho_oreos	I mean to physically break it	15:45
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Arkenoi	china is our only hope	15:50
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slonopotamus	anyone knows a fix for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66376 ?	15:51
Arkenoi	if anyone is brave enough to invest about $1M in making a truly open phone based on something like maemo/meego, we are all saved	15:51
Arkenoi	openmoko does not qualify, sorry	15:51
Arkenoi	both from hardware and software viewpoint	15:51
SpeedEvil	$1M will _not_ cover the software dev	15:52
SpeedEvil	It's pretty optimistic for hw.	15:52
SpeedEvil	And fairly small.	15:52
kerio	$1M won't cover the fcc certification, will it	15:52
SpeedEvil	dunno.	15:52
Arkenoi	kerio, screw it, maIl orders are ok	15:52
Arkenoi	as fake iphone manufacturers deal with it	15:53
slonopotamus	afaik, openpandora had much less amount of money and still ships devices	15:53
alterego	Hardware is what is important, as long as it's capable of running MeeGo software isn't much of an issue.	15:53
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, you overestimate. have a look at any chinese android model. Do you think every one has over $1M invested in it?	15:53
SpeedEvil	Arkenoi: To make a new phone if you don't have an existing design team, and parts availability, yes.	15:54
Arkenoi	alterego, we still need somebody to do the port, i'd rather not expect it to be completely community driven	15:54
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, there are parts for any taste, just they all do androids atm.	15:54
alterego	Arkenoi: well, if it was a community driven device, like a pandaphone, then MeeGo would already work as is	15:55
alterego	And very well.	15:55
SpeedEvil	Arkenoi: By parts, I mean obtaining cellphone parts.	15:55
Arkenoi	$200 for 800x480 capacitive and 460MHz ARM with dual gsm radio and wifi is impressive	15:55
SpeedEvil	All 3G vendors are basically completely uninterested in small orders (under 50K)	15:55
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SpeedEvil	This is a problem for small runs.	15:55
alterego	yeah	15:56
alterego	It's unfortunate really :)	15:56
SpeedEvil	If you can get with a chinese vendor that's making 3G smartphones, and convince them to make you a custom model, which may involve no hardware mods - the cost may fall.	15:56
* alterego wonders if mobile electronics will ever become more affordable.		15:57
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, 2K units is fairly enough to be interesting for china manufacturers, as i was said.	15:57
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, sure, that is the way to do.	15:57
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alterego	So, find a handset that has our specs, and get them to make a load with the ability to run and flash meego	15:57
Arkenoi	even more, you may take existing android design and just request improvements you need.	15:58
alterego	So we'd need a flashing solution like nolo	15:58
alterego	So someone would have to write a good bootloader/flashing solution	15:59
SpeedEvil	The other issue is that a substantial portion of the reason I bought the n900 is the n.	15:59
alterego	uboot may help	15:59
Arkenoi	now i am trying to find a guy with million bucks to spare :-)	15:59
alterego	Or give us open access to jtag	15:59
SpeedEvil	That is - I can walk into a nokia store, and start yelling.	15:59
SpeedEvil	And they will have an actual warranty.	15:59
alterego	Yeah, any decent device will cost about what you'd spend on a handset anyway, but without any kind of assurances.	16:00
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Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, does not work in third world countries, like Russia. At all, i mean.	16:00
SpeedEvil	Arkenoi: Sure. 'I'.	16:00
SpeedEvil	I don't much care about people living in russia.	16:00
SpeedEvil	(from a POV of their warranty issues)	16:00
alterego	otoh, there's some cool efforts on getting MeeGo on android phones.	16:00
SpeedEvil	yeah	16:00
alterego	So buy an Android phone and stick MeeGo on it :)	16:01
Arkenoi	alterego, url? :-)	16:01
alterego	Android devices aren't gonna die anytime soon, we get good hardware specs at the most competitively priced we can get.	16:01
alterego	Or, maybe we could show a manufacturer like Samsung, or HTC that there is huge interest in a hacker phone that will run MeeGo, even if it's stock built with Android	16:03
SpeedEvil	Unfortunately, third-line makers don't really get the whole open-source thing.	16:03
SpeedEvil	GPL-violations ar emore common than not	16:03
alterego	So we say, can you make one of your handsets a little more friendly to us hacking MeeGo on it.	16:03
alterego	It'd be hard to ignore if there was enough interest	16:04
SpeedEvil	Sure.	16:04
alterego	And you're not asking for too much either, so it may have a good chance.	16:04
dangergrrl	argh	16:05
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, yep, chinese guys require some extreme communication skill to force them to make something open for you	16:05
dangergrrl	http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash	16:05
dangergrrl	i'm trying solution #6	16:05
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Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, they are even worse than big corporations in that sometimes	16:05
alterego	We should look at the different Android devices and see whos' devices meet our requirements best	16:06
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SpeedEvil	You really also probably need a native speaker.	16:06
alterego	I'd vote TI based OMAP core, as TI are friendly to MeeGo and we have a lot of good work going on there already.	16:06
Arkenoi	The only good thing is that they are greedy. Show them live money and tell someone else will get if if they are not going to be cooperative and they probably will. Or someone else will :-)	16:06
dangergrrl	dmesg gives me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352408/	16:07
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, sure.	16:07
alterego	Keeping the hardware as "generic" as possible is a good idea.	16:07
dangergrrl	am i missing some driver i need?	16:07
dangergrrl	(on the pc end)	16:07
alterego	Probably, what are you doing?	16:12
Arkenoi	(and i still need to accomplish by quest A: "get encryption usable on maemo/meego, given i do not have budget to hire a software development company, but just barely enough to pay individuals who are willing to"	16:12
Arkenoi	)	16:12
Arkenoi	turned out to be much more complicated than i expected, despite the fact it is not the first project like that i managed and previous ones were successfull	16:13
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dangergrrl	http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd	16:20
dangergrrl	i'm trying to do that	16:20
dangergrrl	when i enable usb mass storage mode lsusb on my pc hangs	16:21
Arkenoi	Nokia made Maemo to be extremely hard to live with without Nokia, I hope Meego handset will be usable without proprietary components.	16:21
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GAN900	Cult of Apple is scary	17:25
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GAN900	"OK, run through the middle of all the store employees and we'll clap, cheer and give you high-fives for buying a piece of plastic, metal and silicon."	17:27
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dangergrrl	you can't even change the battery	17:29
kerio	apple nowadays makes a great laptop, a great all-in-one computer, a cute-but-better-alternatives-exist htpc, and a shitton of crap	17:29
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kerio	oh wait, there's also the mac pro	17:29
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dangergrrl	wget http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.2.2-8.35.armv7l.rpm	17:30
dangergrrl	appears to be the latest rescue initrd	17:30
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dangergrrl	battery ran down trying to get the older one to work, waiting to have some charge	17:31
GAN900	kerio, which'd be excellent if the GPUs weren't always a generation old.	17:31
GAN900	Be nice if somebody made laptops like Apple.	17:31
cehteh	sony :P	17:32
kerio	cehteh: there's not even a comparison there	17:32
kerio	vaios are absolute crap	17:32
dangergrrl	it would be nice if i could afford a panasonic toughbook	17:32
cehteh	hehe iirc sony is the only other manufacturer which uses some unibody like producing process	17:33
cehteh	but well i have a hp with a moulded metall casing, and its extremely rigid too .. so i dont want sony or apple crap	17:33
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cehteh	compaq 2510p .. rated as "build like a tank" :)	17:34
* GAN900 is with kerio		17:34
GAN900	Sony is just junky like the rest.	17:34
cehteh	yes .. like apple :P	17:35
dangergrrl	toughbooks are not junky, just expensive	17:35
GAN900	Bigger issue is the terrible TN displays everybody else ships.	17:35
dangergrrl	but indestructable	17:35
GAN900	and ugly as sin.	17:35
cehteh	i dont care about uglyness .. endurance and robustness are the things i need	17:36
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GAN900	Some of the field research Toughbooks the USGS guys here use are obscenely messed up. Still work fine, though.	17:36
cehteh	apple has some nice features .. like the backlight keyboard which doesnt accumulate breadcrumbs ..	17:36
kerio	cehteh: well my mbp fell from 1.2m on its angle and all that happened was that there's now a dent on the chassis	17:37
cehteh	but otherwise its 90% bling bling	17:37
javispedro	heh	17:37
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cehteh	for a laptop TN is good enough imo .. i rarely watch from wide angles on a laptop	17:37
javispedro	it's like that slashdot article about the cracking competition -- "mbp fell first" -> "must have been because the crackers wanted to get it as prize!"	17:37
cehteh	kerio: my hp fell that way and there is no dent	17:37
GAN900	cehteh, not when the top and bottom of the screen are different colors.	17:37
kerio	cool	17:37
cehteh	GAN900: yes there are differences in TN too .. some are really ugly	17:38
cehteh	for somethink like and tablet (which you rotate) or a big screen IPS is definately a big plus	17:38
GAN900	That MeeGoConf Lenovo is so bad you can't use it as a tablet.	17:38
cehteh	but in case of my 12" latop you hardly see any color differences	17:39
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GAN900	That new Lenovo 12.5" with the IPS looks interesting.	17:39
cehteh	tablet?	17:39
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cehteh	anything you rotate or watch from different angles is certainly much better when its an IPS ... but for a normal ultraportable laptop, there is no need	17:40
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cehteh	http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3905 i would admit my laptop is ugly .. but its now few years old and the keyboard shows wear signs, otherwise its in absolutely good condition no scratches and bends .. and i am a rough laptop user, my former one with a plastic body broke in the middle after 1,5 years	17:42
cehteh	(often carry it on bike)	17:43
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GAN900	cehteh, tell that to the TN on my Mini 9.	17:43
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cehteh	thats a cheap netbook or?	17:47
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cehteh	.. well and cheap netbooks are cheap netbooks, you shouldnt compare that with business notebooks	17:48
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an0therb0x	anybody know how i can manually change the ring tone on my N900 , i have reflashed multiple times and its suck on the default nokia tone, i have changed it in the profiles and even used mp3 files	17:52
kerio	you reflashed multiple times for a ringtone? :<	17:52
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BCMM	an0therb0x: so you change the ringing tone under settings->profiles, but nothing changes?	17:54
user____	I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters)	17:54
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an0therb0x	BCMM : that is correct, i can not stand the default nokia tone	17:56
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dangergrrl	one of the reasons i got a n900 it it seemed like it would be more protectable like camping out on the beach and such	17:57
an0therb0x	BCMM: right now the tone selected shows "Temporal"	17:57
dangergrrl	only need a small plastic bag to cover it from wet	17:57
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BCMM	an0therb0x: do you have any of those profile-management applications installed?	18:00
BCMM	the ones that let you have more than two profiles and so on?	18:00
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dangergrrl	ok	18:01
an0therb0x	BCMM: i am back to "factory" install now	18:02
dangergrrl	the meego 1.0 nor 1.1 rootfs recovery images give me a working usb device	18:02
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dangergrrl	the 1.1 version won't load the modules	18:06
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lolcat	user____: I ghosted user	18:09
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mynameisthomas	I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters)	18:10
mynameisthomas	k lolcat	18:10
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mynameisthomas	could have thought so need to change my irssi config	18:10
lolcat	I did it so you could use user	18:11
mynameisthomas	lolcat: thank you but I think I will now leave this name I dislike being called user	18:12
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mynameisthomas	got a hilight on thomas too	18:12
* dm8tbr too, JFTR		18:12
mynameisthomas	so lolcat any ideas how to easily include some streaming sides with search in the n900?I tried to find some useful things but google wasn't helping at all	18:14
lolcat	No idea, wich ones?	18:14
dangergrrl	gonna try the latest 1.1.90	18:15
mece	dangergrrl, check qa first and see what works	18:18
mece	dangergrrl: http://qa-reports.meego.com/	18:18
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RST38h	;	18:39
trumee	~ping	18:40
infobot	~pong	18:40
javispedro	wtf?	18:56
javispedro	chrome for linux ad	18:56
javispedro	in a sense, this is probably the first ad I ever see for Linux software.	18:56
GAN900	Hehe	18:57
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javispedro	heh, gtk bindings for qt/c++ =)	19:21
javispedro	http://live.gnome.org/GObjectIntrospection/GObjectConsume	19:21
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Macer	javispedro: so... the beginning of the end?	19:23
Macer	gtk needs to be abolished	19:24
Macer	maybe we should send in the old school catholic church and have them burn all memories of gtk	19:24
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MohammadAG	hmm	19:28
MohammadAG	is there something like nohup that doesn't redirect output?	19:28
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MohammadAG	basically, I want wget to stay alive even if my ssh session dies	19:28
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Jef91	Anyone know the about:config value offhand to enable flash in fennec on the N900?	19:29
javispedro	MohammadAG: you might want to look into GNU screen... be warned it is the swiss army knife of this kind of stuff.	19:30
Lava_Croft	MohammadAG: launch wget from inside a screen session on the remote server	19:31
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Lava_Croft	you can even do multiplayer wget	19:32
Lava_Croft	its such a blast	19:32
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MohammadAG	hmm, so screen keeps running even if the ssh session dies?	19:33
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javispedro	screen could be best explained as some kind of xvnc for your terminal...	19:34
Lava_Croft	MohammadAG: yes	19:34
BCMM	MohammadAG: yeah, you can have 0 to lots of "connections" to th session	19:34
BCMM	and it keeps running	19:34
MohammadAG	I assume I don't need to specify the session when I want to reconnect to it right?	19:35
MohammadAG	just run screen as the same user	19:35
Lava_Croft	yeah	19:35
Lava_Croft	and you can do screen -x sessionname to attach again	19:35
Lava_Croft	easier is to launch with screen -S sessionname	19:35
Lava_Croft	so it dont autogenerate annoying names	19:35
Lava_Croft	if you have just one session running, screen -x will do	19:36
dangergrrl	hah	19:36
dangergrrl	i got it	19:36
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dangergrrl	the doc says you have to --enable-rd-mode, this is false, you must --disable-rd-mode when you use flasher to boot the meego 1.0 rootfs image, then hit u and you can use gparted on a pc to repartition	19:37
BCMM	MohammadAG: if you only have one session running, you don't need to specify	19:37
BCMM	MohammadAG: screen -x is great; if you have only a single session running, it will connect to it without asking any questions	19:38
Lava_Croft	aye	19:38
BCMM	and without disconnecting any existing clients	19:38
Lava_Croft	it does keep the termsize of the first one to login to it tho	19:38
BCMM	so it's possible to view the same shell on, for example, your n900 and your desktop over ssh	19:38
Lava_Croft	i use screen and irssi	19:39
Lava_Croft	so i can login to the same irssi session from anywhere	19:39
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MohammadAG	cool, thanks	19:39
BCMM	MohammadAG: a note about terminology: screen also supports multiple "windows", in a single session	19:39
Lava_Croft	even split windows!	19:39
Lava_Croft	iirc	19:39
BCMM	with the key combo "C-a a" working a bit like alt-tab	19:40
BCMM	each window can run a different shell or command	19:40
BCMM	new users sometimes get confused between windows and sessions	19:40
Lava_Croft	just watch out that you dont go about starting screen sessions in screen sessions	19:40
kerio	yo dawg	19:40
Lava_Croft	although you probably will start nesting them horrible at one point	19:40
Lava_Croft	we all do	19:41
MohammadAG	lol	19:41
kerio	anyway, tmux > screen	19:41
BCMM	it lets you?	19:41
kerio	it's just less common	19:41
Lava_Croft	BCMM: sure	19:41
kerio	BCMM: sure, why not	19:41
kerio	like VNC	19:41
BCMM	on gentoo, the default config won't let you attach from inside a screen	19:41
BCMM	i've done it while nesting SSH sessions though	19:42
BCMM	remembering how many times to press "a" when trying to pass a command down the stack is amusing	19:42
* MohammadAG can nest screen sessions on Ubuntu		19:42
BCMM	MohammadAG: if you mean running "screen" in a screen session, that's just a shortcut to making a new window	19:43
BCMM	(at least on my version)	19:43
BCMM	ctrl-a space to switch to the old one	19:43
BCMM	(when i said ctrl-a a was the combo, that was a typo. that's the combo to send an actual ctrl-a to the window)	19:44
MohammadAG	hmm, so how does one nest them?	19:44
BCMM	if i do screen -x (to make it clear that i don't want a new window) inside a session, i get "Attaching from inside of screen?", and nothing happens	19:44
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BCMM	oh, it's not a config thing. it's just screen -x inside screen that it doesn't like	19:47
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MohammadAG	heh	19:47
BCMM	MohammadAG: one way is to start another session from an ordinary terminal, detach (C-a d), then screen -r from the sessions you want to nest in	19:47
BCMM	but if i were you, i wouldn't...	19:48
dangergrrl	well, that was painful	19:48
BCMM	it gets kinda funky	19:48
dangergrrl	but i can verify http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash option #6 works but only if you change --enable-rd-mode to --disable-rd-mode	19:49
BCMM	anyway, i've always just run one session at a time, possibly with several windows	19:50
dangergrrl	i'm wondering if i shouldn't have made swap larger while i was at it though	19:50
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BCMM	there is a set of parameters you can pass which will connect to the running session or start a new session if there isn't one; it can be quite useful to have a button that starts xterm with that command as the shell	19:51
MohammadAG	R&D mode doesn't affect partitioning	19:51
MohammadAG	I've been in R&D mode since April	19:51
dangergrrl	it affects whether the disks show up from that kernel	19:52
MohammadAG	no	19:52
MohammadAG	MeeGo initrd?	19:52
dangergrrl	with rd mode lspci was locking	19:52
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dangergrrl	yes	19:52
MohammadAG	it can't export the eMMC unless you pull the battery for some reason	19:52
MohammadAG	otherwise it doesn't create dev nodes	19:52
vi__	yo	19:52
MohammadAG	I guess you going into flashing mode "simulated" the battery removal, so you blamed it on R&D mode :p	19:53
vi__	n900 rulz	19:53
dangergrrl	i removed the battery like 10 times	19:53
vi__	when are pr1.4 is coming out?	19:53
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dangergrrl	i was giving up and followed the comment at the end to be sure and disable rd mode	19:54
dangergrrl	hit u once more for grins and it worked	19:54
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vi__	who here knows about dbus-scripts?	19:54
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vi__	dbus-script settings matches wlan disconnect to wlan IDLE. Unfortunatley wlan IDLE occours all the time in Power saving mode	19:56
vi__	what message do i use to run a script on disconnect?	19:56
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MohammadAG	<vi__> when are pr1.4 is coming out? <-- seriously, you're still expecting one?	20:11
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javispedro	jhey	20:16
javispedro	I could see one.	20:16
javispedro	however with Qt only changes.	20:16
javispedro	(and nothing, absolutely nothing more)	20:17
pupnik	hmm what is a watercooled gtx 285 worth?	20:18
MohammadAG	why the fuck would an operator change its name	20:18
MohammadAG	It changed on my N900 and N8 so far...	20:18
javispedro	operators are evil bastards, you know.	20:19
MohammadAG	my operator can still get 17% tax if my bill's 0	20:19
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timeless_xchat	javispedro: actually, i half expected one of those	20:22
timeless_xchat	but only if the version of Qt in hypothetical device is not at the same middle version as pr1.3	20:22
timeless_xchat	e.g. 4.8 v 4.7	20:22
Macer	MohammadAG: hahahaha	20:25
Macer	MohammadAG: isn't that $0?	20:25
dangergrrl	i should have asked this	20:27
dangergrrl	how much space do i need in /home to actually compile things on the n900 itself?	20:28
dangergrrl	and do i need to expand the swap area too?	20:28
Macer	i wonder if they sent him a bill with a due date of $0.00	20:28
RST38h	Moo, all	20:32
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RST38h	javispedro: heya	20:32
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MohammadAG	Macer, not with my operator	20:33
MohammadAG	17% of 0 can make up quite a large number	20:33
MohammadAG	cd po && $(MAKE) DESTDIR=debian/status-area-orientationlock-applet install <-- doesn't this look right?	20:33
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javispedro	moo RST38h	20:35
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timeless_xchat	dangergrrl: do you have a power adapter handy?	20:36
timeless_xchat	if not, you'll need it	20:36
timeless_xchat	at which point, just use something else	20:36
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dangergrrl	i don't have an actual power adapter that the n900 likes	20:38
dangergrrl	only the usb cable	20:38
dangergrrl	i will be getting one that works though, i'll be doing some long rides and need to charge from my motorcycle, bought one, it just provides 12v across the usb power lines, n900 doesn't like it	20:39
DocScrutinizer	dangergrrl: actually swap is way too large with 768MB. Making it even larger doesn't help	20:39
dangergrrl	you obviously can't compile a lot of things native then	20:40
lcuk	dangergrrl, eek, a USB lead that sends 12v down it?	20:41
lcuk	that does not sound healthy	20:41
DocScrutinizer	that for sure IS not healthy	20:41
BCMM	i cannot find a non-horrible car charger	20:43
dangergrrl	my moto phone doesn't like it either	20:43
BCMM	i'm on the verge of actually buying a Nokia one	20:43
dangergrrl	but the moto phone won't charge from anything that won't send it some specific usb greeting	20:43
BCMM	there needs to be a fancy sticker or logo for stuff that's compatible with the standard charging interface	20:43
DocScrutinizer	"I don't like that" said the dude when shot into the head	20:43
BCMM	if there is already, people need to bloody well use it	20:43
dangergrrl	i'm gonna have to try the charger my sister got at radio shack for $5 for her android phone	20:44
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: that's the USB2 sticker	20:44
dangergrrl	the moto charger won't charge the n900 either i think it only sends power to devices it likes	20:45
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DocScrutinizer	dangergrrl: you're aware you're risking a 500$ device by trying to save some bucks on a proper charger?	20:45
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer: i don't mean ordinary USB2 power, i mean the battery charging spec	20:46
DocScrutinizer	dangergrrl: and no, (USB) chargers never decide whether or not to send power. There's simply 2 or 3 different signalling methods to tell the device about the charger's capabilities	20:47
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: the charging spec is a supplement of USB2.0	20:47
BCMM	is it now required for something to be called "USB2.0"?	20:48
BCMM	and what about stuff that dates from before that spec, etc.	20:48
DocScrutinizer	actually USB2-OTG I guess	20:48
BCMM	presumably, the only safe ways to do a completely "dumb" charger are to do no negotiation, causing devices to assume they can't draw more than the minimum current the USB spec allows, or short d+ and d- like the newish standard says?	20:49
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: I'm not Jesus, don't ask me about the fate of all the billion USB devices built to date	20:49
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Lava_Croft	http://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/n900/20110228_002.jpg	20:50
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: well, that's kinda exactly what most devices do, and the #1 method as of USB charging supplement specs	20:50
BCMM	see, that's why chargers need a pretty sticker that means "D+ shorted to D- inside", and the maximum power they'll provide in practise next to it	20:50
DocScrutinizer	no need for the second half. Just make sure the charger can supply enough power	20:51
BCMM	Lava_Croft: presumably, that's to make it legal to install OS X? :)	20:51
DocScrutinizer	where "enough" for sure is met with 2A chargers	20:51
BCMM	uh, what i meant was that it's not always easy to identify the 2A chargers	20:52
DocScrutinizer	why would you want to "identify" them?	20:52
lolcat	TO know wich one to use	20:52
BCMM	so i can buy a charger that will cause the remaining battery life to increase instead of decrease slightly slower.	20:53
Jaffa	wazd_: Nice	20:53
DocScrutinizer	errr, mhm	20:53
BCMM	btw, anyone know how iWhatever USB charging works? when using an actual USB cable, does it follow that spec?	20:53
BCMM	can i just buy an "iphone car charger"	20:54
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: actually all my chargers have some writing on them saying " nnnn mA max."	20:54
BCMM	(i've seen ones that have a USB port instead of an apple connector)	20:54
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer: was it visible when they were in the box?	20:54
DocScrutinizer	on the box it's written in way larger letters	20:54
BCMM	well, you've met less stupid manufacturers than me i guess :)	20:55
Jaffa	BCMM: I believe the N900 is more strict than the normal "USB car chargers" implement	20:55
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DocScrutinizer	I'd never consider to buy a charger that's so crappy it not even mentions the voltage, accuracy +-%, and current	20:55
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: my point exactly...	20:55
DocScrutinizer	that's what I told dangergrrl	20:56
BCMM	maybe i'll just look at the official nokia car chargers	20:56
DocScrutinizer	don't save a few bucks on charger! 12V will most likely kill your 500$ device	20:56
BCMM	anyone know what the cig plugs on those are like?	20:56
ZogG	wazd_, ping	20:56
BCMM	i.e. do they fall out of the socket in teh even of the car actually moving?	20:56
Macer	er	20:57
Macer	i have never had an issue with any charger for then900	20:57
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Macer	except one that didn't seem to have enough juice to charge it	20:58
dangergrrl	usb chargers are commodity items, i expected it to just work	21:01
* timeless_xchat chuckles		21:01
DocScrutinizer	dangergrrl: USB never been meant to get abused as charger plug	21:02
MohammadAG	may I say the EU sucks for enforcing that?	21:02
DocScrutinizer	may I say the Chinese were first to enforce it	21:02
DocScrutinizer	and may I say Motorola did a hell of a job to invent new bizarre ways to abuse USB receptacles for things the never were meant for	21:03
timeless_xchat	mohammadag : eu just sucks	21:04
dangergrrl	perhaps not but car usb chargers are still a very common item thses days, they have them at the auto parts store and the grocery store	21:04
DocScrutinizer	so what?	21:04
BCMM	"commodity" usb hardware - typically horrid	21:05
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BCMM	if it's anything more complicated than a cable	21:05
BCMM	(e.g. unbranded hubs)	21:05
ZogG	meh noone wants to talk to me or answer me, going to drink and play ps3	21:06
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DocScrutinizer	ZogG: go sleep	21:07
dangergrrl	i should just amazon a nokia car charger	21:07
dangergrrl	they aren't even expensive just have to click and wait	21:07
DocScrutinizer	dangergrrl: any good quality charger with D+/- shorted (either OOTB or by a freind who knows how to connect two wires, preferably by soldering) will do	21:08
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DocScrutinizer	though actually Nokia USB chargers explicitly compatible with N900 aren't more then a few bucks	21:09
BCMM	+delivery...	21:09
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dangergrrl	+waiting	21:10
dangergrrl	and i keep not ordering one online	21:10
BCMM	iirc, my local nokia shop didn't stock nokia car chargers for the n900	21:10
dangergrrl	and then i saw one at the auto parts store when i was getting stuff for my motorcycle	21:10
dangergrrl	i'm actually procrastinating right now, i have to ride to the honda dealer to get an air cleaner and it's 30 miles and i want to stream pandora without my battery dieing :)	21:11
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DocScrutinizer	http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/ http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_021411.zip USB 2.0 Link Power Management Addendum Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 specification as of July 16, 2007. // Suspend Current Limit Changes Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of April 9, 2008 // 5V Short Circuit Withstand Requirement Change Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of December 22, 2008	21:16
DocScrutinizer	// MicroUSB Micro-B ID Pin Resistance and Tolerance stack-up between D+ and D- Engineering Change Notice to the MicroUSB Specification to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 1.01 as of December 22, 2008 // On-The-Go and Embedded Host Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 2.0 Plus Errata and ECN as of July 26, 2010 //	21:16
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RST38h	CS Profs Debate Role of Math In CS Education	21:19
* RST38h cackles: yes, yes, graduate more dumb people, give 'em degrees...		21:20
pupnik	'but i don't need math for my php server and visual basic scripts'	21:21
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DocScrutinizer	http://www.usb.org/search?method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=charging // PDF Document USB_for_Portable_Devices_FINAL.pdf* // PDF Document USB_OTG_and_EH_2-0.pdf // et al	21:22
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DocScrutinizer	PDF Document otgc1_2.pdf* >>Correct TD.6.13 and TD.6.16 per OTG F2F Meeting Updated Battery Charging<<	21:24
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DocScrutinizer	and yes, it's a mess those docs convolute - I guess you all are aware we got no OTG just because even Nokia gave up on trying to meet all the requirements put up by usb.org, and as they needed charging they decided to sacrifice OTG	21:27
mece	DocScrutinizer, other recent nok phones have charging and otg though.	21:28
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DocScrutinizer	other recent phones maybe got a tad more recent hardware	21:29
MohammadAG	hmm	21:29
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mece	DocScrutinizer, possibly	21:29
MohammadAG	what's the state of the council nominations if only one person is running	21:29
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DocScrutinizer	I gather everything got postponed by one or two weeks?	21:30
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RST38h	So, who is that lone lo^H^Hhero?	21:33
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javispedro	I gather bad times ahead :P	21:36
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Jaffa	RST38h: SD69	21:37
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pupnik	what's good is smoku's move to get hildon running on meego	21:39
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RST38h	Ah, an N800 guy...	21:39
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RST38h	pupnik: yea, hildon+meego+dellstreak = some coolness	21:39
Jaffa	MohammadAG: I considered this scenario when setting up the council. If fewer than 5 candidates stand, there're clauses which deal with it. One of them being that the nomination time is extended (with the implicit assumption that the council would drum up more people). If there are still insufficient people then the current Council and qgil can do anything: nothing is ruled in or out.	21:39
Jaffa	RST38h: Who, IIRC, believes the forums are king.	21:40
RST38h	Jaffa: Can't argue on this point:forums are the only remaining lively part of Maemo"ecosystem"	21:41
javispedro	"and qgil can do anything"?	21:41
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Jaffa	javispedro: "the current Council and qgil can [decide to] do anything"	21:42
javispedro	ah :P	21:42
Jaffa	RST38h: It's a crap way of distributing software	21:42
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RST38h	Jaffa: Nah,definitely not a way to distribute software	21:43
Jaffa	javispedro: e.g. install a benevolent dictator, disband the Council, continue the current Council for 6 months, hand-pick a Council, try the election again, ...	21:43
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RST38h	Jaffa: But I can understand why SD69 prefers it: the guy is still using N800	21:43
RST38h	or even 770...	21:44
MohammadAG	I like the idea of dictatorship	21:44
MohammadAG	:P	21:44
doc\|home	haven't you been bombed yet?	21:44
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RST38h	Dictatorship with no subjects, yes	21:44
javispedro	heh	21:44
MohammadAG	yep	21:44
doc\|home	hehe	21:44
javispedro	the king of the toilet, as we use to say here.	21:44
Jaffa	MohammadAG: They could be called "Supreme Chancellor", and then establish a dwindling G"Empire"	21:45
RST38h	doc: Depending on where MohammadAG is at the moment, he has a choice of being bombed by either 1) a democratic republic or 2) a religious cleptocracy	21:45
doc\|home	javispedro: man, if my toilet was producing oil I'd be fine with that	21:45
RST38h	doc:Few of us have such a freedom of choice...	21:46
pupnik	i would welcome some people leaving the forums	21:46
MohammadAG	3) or myself	21:46
RST38h	That is always an option, yes	21:46
doc\|home	RST38h: hmmm, I get that number 2 is the USA, who's number 1 in that list?	21:46
Jaffa	doc\|home: If your toilet was producing oil, you should stop eating cars.	21:46
BCMM	MohammadAG: just one of the wonderful things you can with an overclocked n900.	21:46
doc\|home	Jaffa: haha	21:46
RST38h	doc: No, you have not got it at all, sorry	21:46
MohammadAG	BCMM, or an inflated battery	21:46
MohammadAG	(which I have 3x of)	21:46
doc\|home	RST38h: haven't I? have you not been paying attention to the last 30 years?	21:46
BCMM	MohammadAG: wtf do you do to the poor things?	21:47
BCMM	or is that just what happens in warmer parts of the world?	21:47
MohammadAG	nah, I think they're bad batches	21:47
MohammadAG	the last one looks fake tbh	21:47
MohammadAG	the other ones were recalled by Nokia, 6610 times	21:47
MohammadAG	6680*	21:47
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korhojoa	any of you guys have a screen that has got two bright dots in it?	21:48
korhojoa	not the lcd, but the backlight probably	21:48
MohammadAG	mine has 800x480 bright dots	21:48
korhojoa	it's pretty annoying. i'm afraid to send mine in for a rma, i heard they're not returning the same phone anymore?	21:49
dm8tbr	my screen has hotspots, I just ignore them	21:49
korhojoa	my previous screen was perfect	21:49
korhojoa	no blunders whatever	21:49
korhojoa	this one is ass	21:49
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MohammadAG	Ovi store update on the N8, 4MBs, it's been 5 minutes...	22:04
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wazd_	MohammadAG: heya	22:06
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frals	MohammadAG: for downloading or installing?	22:07
wazd_	MohammadAG: I've been working on CSSU icon, what do you think: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png	22:07
villager	korhojoa: yeah after I sent in my old phone with a broken usb, I got a new one with two bright backlight dots	22:07
MohammadAG	wazd_, it looks awesome :D	22:08
Zero_Dogg	Hi, are there any /software/ errors that can cause the n810 to reboot upon scanning for wireless networks? Mine hangs, and then reboots whenever scanning for wireless networks (rendering it rather useless). I suspect it could be the hw, though I'd like to check around first	22:08
kerio	wazd_: imgur or gtfo	22:08
MohammadAG	frals, downloading :)	22:08
MohammadAG	wazd_, I'll have it in the next update, just wondering, should I also use it for the About Community SSU part?	22:09
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kpoman	hi all once again !	22:12
kpoman	do someone know hwo to install nitdroid? just to test	22:13
RST38h	tmo knows	22:14
cehteh	can you make phone calls with nitdroid?	22:15
kpoman	I am trying to use cfdisk on the maemo and it doesnt work ... onlsy sfdik ??? why ?	22:15
DocScrutinizer	no idea	22:17
ZogG	hmmm qt has gtk flg support	22:18
ShadowJK	does "not work" mean it's not installed?	22:18
DocScrutinizer	I seem to recall I installed it and it worked as expected	22:19
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DocScrutinizer	kpoman: NB UNinstalling nitdroid seems to be way more problematic than installing it	22:20
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kpoman	DocScrutinizer: I dont understand the multiboot part	22:27
DocScrutinizer	that's exactly the problematic part	22:28
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DocScrutinizer	as it is messing around with maemo to get nitdroid working, and on uninstalling nitdroid you easily render maemo broken and need to reflash	22:29
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kpoman	DocScrutinizer: but is maemo based on lilo, grub or something else nokia-propietary ?	22:44
timeless_w7ip	there's no lilo and there's no grub	22:45
DocScrutinizer	maemo is based on NOLO as far as bootloader is concerned	22:45
timeless_w7ip	and generally i think of lilo/grub as loaders for x86	22:45
DocScrutinizer	multiboot is a nasty hack to reflash the kernel during boot	22:45
MohammadAG	before boot, preinit	22:46
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MohammadAG	quite a nice hack, if it didn't flash the kernel but loaded it instead	22:46
DocScrutinizer	meego is using uBoot for a real bootloader chainloaded by NOLO and starting up either maemo or meego	22:46
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MohammadAG	but yeah, uboot dpes that well	22:46
MohammadAG	does even	22:46
DocScrutinizer	while that multiboot, as MohammadAG said, is messing with maemo init process, and deinstalling nitdroid tends to break maemo's init as essential parts of multiboot get removed or messed up	22:48
Zero_Dogg	Is there any way I can install the base firmware image onto a sd card and boot from that? I'm beginning to think the internal memory card of my n810 is broken, because it keeps randomly rebooting	22:49
MohammadAG	what does cat /proc/bootreason output?	22:50
Zero_Dogg	will try to see if I can get that read on the next reboot, it just did it again. One moment	22:51
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DocScrutinizer	Zero_Dogg: mine does as well	22:53
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DocScrutinizer	usual bootreason: watchdog	22:53
RST38h	[TSA will] retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation 247 machines at 38 airports after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected. The TSA says that the records reflect math mistakes and that all the machines are safe.	22:54
Zero_Dogg	now it's stuck in a reboot loop again so can't get to the xterm before it reboots, I'll try reflashing again and see if I can't get to it then	22:54
RST38h	Math. CS people do not need it.	22:54
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: since when are X-ray scanners used for body scans at airports? o.O	22:55
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer, they installed them a few years ago	22:55
DocScrutinizer	FFS I'd not even allow my doctor to do a full bodyscan with X-ray	22:56
RST38h	Doc: Since that guy trying to transport a bomb in his underwear	22:56
RST38h	Doc: Well, then you probably do not want to go to US nowadays	22:56
DocScrutinizer	WHO recommendations are to keep those to not more than once per year afaik	22:56
RST38h	Unless you enjoy dumb overweight men pulling you by the balls.	22:57
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* lcuk does not mind airport security - I note many more airports are doing blended checks around people which is good		22:57
lcuk	ie multiple phased stages through	22:58
DocScrutinizer	I hope they issue a proper radiation dosage report to every passenger scanned this way, so the med doctor knows what's permissible for further examination of cancer, broken bones etc, during the next 12 months	22:59
RST38h	Yea, right	22:59
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MohammadAG	airport security is meh	23:00
MohammadAG	especially around here	23:00
trumee	~ping	23:02
infobot	~pong	23:02
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Zero_Dogg	MohammadAG: /proc/bootreason says "32wd to"	23:03
DocScrutinizer	32watchdog_timeout	23:04
DocScrutinizer	same here	23:04
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internetishard	anyone here successfully using pidgin OTR on the n900?	23:04
DocScrutinizer	javispedro claims that timeout is caused by N810's nasty bme, which would of course mean those reboots may happen only when hooked up to charger	23:06
Zero_Dogg	well, mine happens whenever. Usually when it does something networky, like scan for wireless networks or attempt to bring usb networking up	23:06
DocScrutinizer	mhm, that's in line with my suspicions	23:08
wazd_	MohammadAG: well, you can use it wherever you want :)	23:08
DocScrutinizer	wlan driver always been my prime suspect	23:08
Zero_Dogg	renders my device pretty much useless	23:09
DocScrutinizer	anyway, since battery swap mine seems to behave a bit better, but that might be placebo effect	23:09
wazd_	MohammadAG: though I forgot where to get vector logo, .png one has a bit rough edges	23:09
MohammadAG	I never understood the difference between scalar and vector graphics :P	23:10
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MohammadAG	wb javispedro	23:11
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BCMM	huh?	23:11
BCMM	one is a grid of pixels, and therefore goes blocky when you zoom in and uses loads of storage	23:11
wazd_	MohammadAG: same as me with C++ and Javascript :D	23:12
BCMM	the other instead stores instructions like "put a line here and a circle there"	23:12
MohammadAG	lol	23:12
DocScrutinizer	scalar graphics?? .oO(???)	23:12
BCMM	and therefore scales	23:12
BCMM	heh, i automatically corrected that to "raster" in my head...	23:12
BCMM	what?	23:12
BCMM	clearly, scaler graphics are like one-dimensional vector graphics.	23:13
MohammadAG	so vector ones can scale as much as I want without looking crappy?	23:13
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BCMM	MohammadAG: within reason, yes	23:13
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BCMM	MohammadAG: i mean, there exist SVG maps (as in of the world) which will be hopelessly inaccurate when zoomed	23:13
DocScrutinizer	what are scalar graphics?	23:13
BCMM	but at least they won't be blocky	23:13
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lcuk	MohammadAG, yes, you can zoom in on a vector image and read the license plate from the raindrop coming off the side of a car in shot	23:13
MohammadAG	lcuk, cool!	23:14
javispedro	I guess raster...	23:14
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wazd_	lcuk: absolutely, saw it on CSI too	23:14
lcuk	:D	23:14
MohammadAG	wait.. he wasn't joking?	23:15
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: only when the cam is operating on layer 3 of the matrix, not on the phy layer	23:15
lcuk	ahhhh CSI	23:15
lcuk	GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address CSI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU	23:15
n900evil	lcuk - seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU	23:15
BCMM	MohammadAG: have a look at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Wikipedia-logo.svg in any reasonable browser and zoom all the way in	23:15
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lcuk	n900evil, I have seen pretty much every shot taken of Red Dwarf and have somewhere signed copy of Infinity welcomes careful drivers :)	23:16
MohammadAG	neat	23:16
n900evil	:)	23:16
n900evil	asdfrgtfrgbnbvfgthgghjvfghjkl mnhgfsdfghj	23:16
n900evil	oops	23:16
rtyler	kitty on the keyboard!	23:17
BCMM	rtyler: doggy eating n900	23:17
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: per definition when vector graphics are 2D the scalar graphics are 1D	23:19
n900evil	naah - I was trying to remove back protector.	23:19
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BCMM	MohammadAG: actually, modern fonts are probably the best example of a vector format	23:21
wazd_	raster - pixels. vector - curves. That's the whole explaination :)	23:21
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BCMM	note how even a 1000pt bracket is a smooth curve	23:21
DocScrutinizer	wazd_: off topic. What is scalar graphics?	23:21
lcuk	BCMM, no - modern fonts are an example of a generation program	23:23
lcuk	they are not stored purely as data afaik	23:23
BCMM	they express one-dimensional images in terms of "put a pixel 100px from the origin", of course	23:23
ZogG	is there way to leve a memos here?	23:23
ZogG	~memo	23:23
lcuk	you can leave maemos here	23:23
BCMM	ZogG: /msg memoserv help	23:24
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ZogG	BCMM yep, i know, i mean chan memos	23:24
ZogG	like from bot	23:24
ZogG	lcuk =)	23:24
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DocScrutinizer	BCMM: one dimensional images? ooh, so that's the scalar images then. I just wonder what a 1D image looks like	23:31
DocScrutinizer	other than a straight line	23:31
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: they're typically stretched in a second axis, to form web 2.0 gradients.	23:31
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DocScrutinizer	mhm	23:32
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DocScrutinizer	so that's a question of the projection function used to transform 2D->1D->2D	23:32
internetishard	DocScrutinizer have you experienced this OTR issue with pidgin?	23:33
DocScrutinizer	I never used pidgin - well I used it once, for like one evening, when I decided it sucks	23:33
BCMM	in all seriousness, i have seen website featuring a 1xlots PNG that is stretched to form a gradient background... ugh	23:34
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internetishard	lol, what do you use for IM?	23:34
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crashanddie_	IRC?	23:35
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DocScrutinizer	on N900? xchat FTW	23:35
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internetishard	what about gtalk, msn, aim, etc?	23:35
DocScrutinizer	what's that? ;-P	23:35
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DocScrutinizer	ooh the one is matching my I_HATE_g* regex trigger	23:36
BCMM	IM was obsolete when it was invented, due to IRC.	23:37
wazd_	MohammadAG: http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1103/a7/de9500437364.png - fixed icon	23:37
internetishard	BCMM: you must be joking...	23:37
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BCMM	i'm not joking; i'm just a zealot.	23:37
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DocScrutinizer	honestly, what is IM meant to do that IRC can't?	23:47
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DocScrutinizer	the only other semi-useful alternative to messaging via IRC or SMS is SIP-chat, at least in my book	23:49
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BCMM	well, msn has the ability	23:51
BCMM	sorry	23:51
SpeedEvil	IRC has splits, and non-existant offline message passing.	23:51
internetishard	well it is that everyone has that shit	23:51
internetishard	most people don't even know what IRC is	23:51
BCMM	msn has the ability to change the protocol and break existing software every so often. also, tic-tac-toe.	23:52
BCMM	IRC lacks both of those.	23:52
DocScrutinizer	define "everyybody"	23:52
internetishard	yeah yeah	23:52
BCMM	"what does MSN have that IRC doesn't? Girls."	23:52
BCMM	(this is a wholey facetious response to what doc just asked. please don't burn me.)	23:52
* SpeedEvil wishes someone would hack a femtocell		23:53
SpeedEvil	Now, that would be cool.	23:53
DocScrutinizer	err I don't even know what's MSN	23:53
BCMM	there used to be a thing called MSN Instant Messenger	23:53
BCMM	commonly called MSN	23:53
SpeedEvil	So it could act like a VOIP->GSM gateway, or a GSM->VOIP	23:53
BCMM	it turned into something .net, and is now probably windows live something	23:53
BCMM	but in some areas, it was pretty much what schoolkids used before Facebook IM, and it was always called "msn"	23:54
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I gather that's exactly what femtocell hw is made for	23:54
BCMM	it totally sucked, but everybody knew about it	23:54
BCMM	kinda like facebook	23:54
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: alas I never seen any	23:54
BCMM	or the win32 API	23:54
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DocScrutinizer	BCMM: so WTF would anybody ask for that sh*t, rather than use a somewhat sane approach like IRC or SIP?	23:56
BCMM	because they haven't heard of it	23:56
BCMM	"so what's your MSN?" "oh, why don't you download an IRC client?"	23:57
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BCMM	due to the nature of social interaction, brand-awareness trumps technical superiority :(	23:57
DocScrutinizer	especially when N900 supports yet another widespread fsckdup proprietary protocol for IM/VoIP, called skype	23:57
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BCMM	(see also, facebook)	23:57
internetishard	BCMM, the technical supperiority of an IM client is that it easy shows a list of contacts like a phonebook	23:58
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BCMM	you can fake a "critical mass", for tech that requires one, by putting it in the default Windows install	23:58
DocScrutinizer	I can't help feeling offended being asked about my IM client	23:58
internetishard	haha	23:59
internetishard	offended?	23:59
BCMM	like how websites found it easier to code for ie6 than to try and persuade users to get firefox	23:59
internetishard	I was asking about OTR, which is certifiably cool	23:59

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