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| DocScrutinizer | that's *real* external IP, not what your phone *thinks* it is | 00:00 |
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| jacekowski | i have my cool webpage | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/ip.php | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | cmdline rulez | 00:01 |
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| jacekowski | GET jacekowski.org/ip.php | 00:03 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes | 00:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you can use whatever lib you want in a Qt app | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109510/ | 00:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i just thought would it be more prper not to use glib? | 00:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: it didn't seem necessary from that example, but... | 00:07 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you make a proper wrapper class around the stuff, it can work out well | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | to use glib you mean? | 00:07 |
| Venemo | yes | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i just make function that make this notifier right? | 00:08 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, follow the example | 00:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than instead of all glib loops i use Qt signal? | 00:08 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: when the thing calls you back, from the callback you can emit a Qt signal | 00:09 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you can't get it right by the weekend, I'll have more time to install the stuff from your repo and look at the app's code | 00:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks man | 00:09 |
| sliri | nobody here likes trackers? | 00:10 |
| sliri | octamed, fasttracker | 00:10 |
| Sc0rpius | trackers? what is this 1992? | 00:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | xmmsc_result_notifier_set (result, my_current_id, &udata); Venemo here i connect and listen to callback? right? it can be a signal right? | 00:11 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what signal? | 00:11 |
| sliri | for me it will always be | 00:11 |
| sliri | and now we have amazing sunvox | 00:11 |
| Sc0rpius | I remember I had ProTracker for my Amiga | 00:11 |
| javispedro | divan: there? | 00:12 |
| divan | javispedro, yep | 00:12 |
| divan | hi | 00:12 |
| javispedro | divan: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=959654&postcount=1910 | 00:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and I think I still have some S3M/MOD/IT files around | 00:12 |
| RST38h | night,javispedro, how are things? | 00:12 |
| javispedro | hi RST38h | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo signal for Qt to make an action? | 00:12 |
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| Sc0rpius | but it's useless now, everybody uses FL (Fruity Loops) or Reason nowadays and trackers are way forgotten. | 00:12 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no. | 00:12 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you call back a function that you make, and FROM that function emit the Qt signal | 00:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, so i got it wrong | 00:13 |
| javispedro | divan: specially the last parts of my post :) | 00:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: pondering where do I waste my time tonight =) | 00:14 |
| RST38h | IRC, where else? :) | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | ChatRoulette of course | 00:16 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 00:16 |
| divan | javispedro, thanks, I got it. Regarding /media/internal/.. Maybe it worth symlinking to a separate dir? Something like /home/user/MyDocs/preenv/internal. or even in /opt/preenv/internal.. Cause MyDocs dir isn't best place for games' trash. | 00:16 |
| javispedro | "technically" it is not for games 'trash | 00:17 |
| javispedro | /media/internal is exactly equivalent to MyDocs on a Pre. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | it is where you store user files, etc. | 00:17 |
| divan | javispedro, now I still use ld_preload, but each game can specify own path via another variable. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | like docs | 00:17 |
| divan | javispedro, Asphalt5 saves replays into /media/internal/reply.sav | 00:17 |
| * javispedro sighs | 00:18 | |
| divan | not /media/internal/Asphalt5/replay.sav or smth | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iFlops, epic | 00:19 |
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| divan | javispedro, if /media/internal will symlink to some separate directory it would be easier to separate maemo related trash from preenv trash ))) | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | trashes to trashes | 00:20 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: new measurement unit for numbers with a point? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoes | 00:20 |
| lardman | ah | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | made of an iPad and a rubber string | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | made of *a pair of*... | 00:22 |
| lardman | so you're not rushing out for the latest iJobbie? | 00:22 |
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| lardman | well iPads prices are probably in free fall now | 00:22 |
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| lardman | iPad 1 that is | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I don't wear flipflops either | 00:22 |
| divan | javispedro, what is the situation with /usr/lib/libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder.so library? Some games require it to be named libavcodec.so.52. Can it be set as by default, via symlink or hardlnk? | 00:23 |
| chx | it's still $400 or so | 00:23 |
| chx | cant see anything free fall | 00:23 |
| javispedro | divan: that is quite stupid on many levels | 00:23 |
| javispedro | divan: please just install the maemo package that has that library | 00:24 |
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| divan | javispedro, package libavcodec? | 00:24 |
| divan | It | 00:24 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libavcodec52/ (thank Jeffa) | 00:25 |
| divan | It what I did first. And it didn't work, until I've found on some thread this hint. | 00:25 |
| divan | Game started and crashed. | 00:25 |
| javispedro | s/jeffa/jebba (weird typo) | 00:25 |
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| divan | it was Avatar game, as I remember | 00:26 |
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| javispedro | it must be something else. | 00:26 |
| javispedro | that hint is stupid., | 00:26 |
| javispedro | never read alligoodidea/govprov's messages. | 00:26 |
| divan | let me check again | 00:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i think i should rest and if tomorrow i wouldn't succeed by mself i'll ping you | 00:27 |
| sliri | javispedro thank you for your work on dosbox | 00:27 |
| sliri | and the snes | 00:27 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: k | 00:27 |
| sliri | i am running this sunvox and the example music is amazing | 00:27 |
| javispedro | divan: if it launches with that symlink, it means it will also launch when symlinked to libstub.so (like the many other stubbed libraries in preenv) -- but however that would be a disservice to any game actually caring about such library, because the maemo one is quite fine. | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | sliri: yw | 00:28 |
| sliri | have you seen the sunvox program? | 00:28 |
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| sliri | youtube sunvox n900 | 00:29 |
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| divan | javispedro, now with libavcodec52 installed (0.5+svn20090706-5), and 'ldd Avatar | grep avcodec' shows "libavcodec.so.52 => /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 (0x40048000)" the game crashes right after splash screen | 00:30 |
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| divan | gdb's backtrace stops somewhere in ogg decoding routine | 00:30 |
| javispedro | inside which library? | 00:31 |
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| ShadowJK | huh, "libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder" uses same API as ffmpeg's lavc? Or is this why you said "stupid on many levels"? | 00:32 |
| divan | when I set symlink /opt/preenv/lib/libavcodec52.so to /usr/lib/libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder.so and ldd points to /opt/preenv/lib/libavcodec52.so (symlink) everything works. | 00:32 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: latter. | 00:32 |
| divan | javispedro, I didn't figure out from what library... | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | Although TI did hire some of the ffmpeg people ;) | 00:32 |
| divan | let me try again | 00:32 |
| javispedro | divan: try libstub.so | 00:33 |
| javispedro | divan: cp or symlink it. | 00:33 |
| divan | javispedro, what is libstub? symlink to libavcodec or what? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | an empty shared object. | 00:34 |
| divan | 0x414c3e20 in oggpack_writeclear () from /usr/lib/libogg.so. | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | I do not think avcodec links into libogg.. | 00:35 |
| divan | #4 0x4140a904 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1 | 00:35 |
| derf | It does for some things. | 00:35 |
| divan | but the fact is | 00:35 |
| divan | when I replace avcodec lib, everything starts to work | 00:35 |
| derf | libvorbisidec is the integer-only Tremor decoder. | 00:35 |
| LjL | on the topic of Vorbis, can i get Vorbis tags to work on my N810? | 00:36 |
| LjL | on its default media player that is | 00:36 |
| derf | In 20090706, it did _not_ use mainline libogg. | 00:36 |
| derf | It required its own custom version. | 00:36 |
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| javispedro | divan: the libOMX.**** hint however is completely bullshit and libstub.so WILL work. The game probably uses weak symbols or something like that to cope with the fact that library is not in the officially sanctioned list. The question would be why it crashes when it uses the system libavcodec. | 00:40 |
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| divan | javispedro, so, explain me again what do I need to symlink to libstub.so? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | repeat what you were doing previously, but use "libstub.so" (as is, without full path) as source. | 00:43 |
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| divan | What I did previously? | 00:44 |
| javispedro | /opt/preenv/lib # ln -s libstub.so libavcodec.so.52 | 00:44 |
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| divan | ok | 00:44 |
| * javispedro wonders if there's something wrong with the maemo libavcodec, will check that later. | 00:45 | |
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| divan | javispedro, you right. It works with libstub.so. Video and audio seems to be working correctly | 00:47 |
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| divan | So, until the question of maemo's libavcodec is unresolved, how do we solve this issue(without root priveleges)? | 00:50 |
| divan | javispedro, can you temporarily make this symlink permanent? | 00:51 |
| divan | for the next preenv upgrade, I mean | 00:51 |
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| sliri | it is not hard to get root | 00:54 |
| divan | sliri, the game installer application will be run without root and I want to install all hacks for each game automatically. | 00:56 |
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| peetah | Hi all | 01:00 |
| sliri | did mozilla.org broke addons for iceweasel? | 01:00 |
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| peetah | I would like to start developing applications on maemo 5 | 01:00 |
| peetah | which environment is recommended: maemo-sdk+ or the classic maemo sdk ? | 01:01 |
| javispedro | peetah: do you have experience in some language, or some UI toolkit? | 01:02 |
| peetah | javispedro: I quite ok with C and C++ but never did anything with Qt | 01:02 |
| peetah | *I'm | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | the general rule I'm going to invent is: if you're interested in Qt, have experience with Qt, Windows or some other mobile platform development, you need neither of the above and should download the Nokia Qt SDK | 01:04 |
| divan | peetah, it worth learning. Qt is really handy libs and well documented. Start with Nokia Qt SDK 1.1. Latest QtCreator is really adapted for N900 development. | 01:04 |
| javispedro | on the other hand, if you have a Unixy background, Gtk+ background, or want to do lower level tasks or daemons, get the "classic" Maemo SDK. | 01:05 |
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| peetah | I'll look at the Nokia Qt SDK | 01:06 |
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| peetah | I thought that the sdk+ would have had some advantages compared to classic sdk, because of sbox 2.0, but I may be wrong | 01:06 |
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| peetah | what do you think ? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | peetah: if you know what scratchbox is, you should then probably be able to answer that question and discard the suggestion to download the qt sdk =) | 01:07 |
| divan | What is SDK+? | 01:08 |
| peetah | divan: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:08 |
| javispedro | peetah: if you don't know what sbox is, then it doesn't really matter. the official one is sbox1 though. | 01:08 |
| divan | Isn't it outdate? | 01:09 |
| divan | peetah, for some tasks I use official Maemo SDK. sbox1 is good enough )) | 01:09 |
| peetah | javispedro: I know about scratchbox because I did some cross development for arm platform, but I did not dig into the differences between version 1.x and 2.x | 01:10 |
| javispedro | peetah: so you have unixy background! get the classic sdk. | 01:11 |
| javispedro | specially if you already used sb1 | 01:11 |
| peetah | javispedro, divan: ok thanks, time to experiment now :) | 01:12 |
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| ZogG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14&feature=player_embedded | 01:28 |
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| sliri | ZogG: minitube tells me 'could not open media source' | 01:39 |
| * sliri is amazed at the fun of sunvox | 01:39 | |
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| sliri | have a great day all | 01:53 |
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| luke-jr | uhm | 02:34 |
| luke-jr | anyone else have video out problems iwht PR1.3? | 02:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | My video problems involve not being arsed to find the cable. | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Does that count? | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | no | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of problems? | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | picture moving top to bottom over and over | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | like a bad VHS | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | You have the correct NTSC/PAL setting? | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | can I check from CLI? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - the volume buttons adjust tracking. | 02:36 |
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| luke-jr | they adjust volume for me | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can check from CLI | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | well - maybe | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | but probably some gconf properyu | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | it got set to PAL somehow | 02:37 |
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| luke-jr | so now that I've reinstalled my kernel, where do I get the fixed wifi module? :x | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | I didn't save the TMO link | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | fixed/ | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 02:41 |
| luke-jr | yeah, like working | 02:43 |
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| luke-jr | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17957&d=1298590654 | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | for reference | 02:44 |
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| divan | javispedro, so your suggestion regarding libavcodec? Can you symlink libstub.so until maemo avcodec will be updated? | 02:57 |
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| javispedro | it is not a problem with the maemo avcodec, it worked for me. | 02:59 |
| javispedro | so I'm waiting for more results on the issue. | 02:59 |
| ebzzry | Hi! When using a framebuffer kernel, is the kernel found at http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-framebuffer/ the same as the one install with http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-framebuffer/? | 03:00 |
| divan | javispedro, maybe it's just Avatar game bug. Anyway I need a solution. rootless. | 03:00 |
| javispedro | "and I need it now!!" | 03:01 |
| divan | Not now ) | 03:01 |
| divan | javispedro, does Avatar works for you? | 03:02 |
| javispedro | I do not have the game. | 03:02 |
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| MrPPS | hey all - has the linux "wipe" utility bene ported to maemo/n900 yet? | 06:22 |
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| cehteh | MrPPS: wipe will not help you on flash media | 06:28 |
| cehteh | you only put wear stress on the media but it marks blocks as unused (without necessary deleting their content) and writes data to another block, wear leveling | 06:29 |
| MrPPS | ah i see, so it effectively does nothing for flash? | 06:30 |
| MrPPS | and therefore, would be just as secure with flash using rm -rf? | 06:31 |
| cehteh | it does .. it damages the flash :P | 06:31 |
| cehteh | yeah | 06:31 |
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| cehteh | well if you wipe or write the flash disks size many times it eventually overwrites the data | 06:32 |
| cehteh | but since flash has limited overwrite cycles thats a bad idea | 06:32 |
| cehteh | better use an encrypted filesystem or something like that for the data | 06:32 |
| MrPPS | yeah fair enough | 06:33 |
| MrPPS | cool, thanks for the help :) | 06:33 |
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| delt | Hello | 06:46 |
| delt | quick question: over a VNC connection, how come clicking on the "4 squares with top-left one falling off" icon (all applications) doesn't work? | 06:47 |
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| delt | *sigh* bbl... | 06:54 |
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| pigeon | has anyone else seen a crash with the Contacts app on the n900, where you add an address for a contact, and select the "Region", and choose anything, and it will just crash? | 07:22 |
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| pigeon | how to run the contact apps from the command line? | 07:25 |
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| timeless_w7ip | so, people complain about how long it takes for nokia to respond to bugs, right? | 08:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346405 | 08:43 |
| povbot | Bug 346405: was not found. | 08:43 |
| * timeless_w7ip sighs | 08:43 | |
| timeless_w7ip | yes dumb bot | 08:43 |
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| BluesLee | i want to install the cssu, do some packages from extras-devel conflict with it? for instance hildon-desktop_kinetic or hildon-desktop_double_column? | 10:06 |
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| vanous | any uboot expert here? cannot get uboot to load maemo at all, shr boots ok from uSD, can flash without any problems... | 11:06 |
| vanous | after flashing default kernel, i can boot maemo ok | 11:06 |
| vanous | have tried custom uboot, combined images, default power46 with uboot... | 11:07 |
| vanous | still get stuck at "booting kernel..." | 11:07 |
| vanous | are some modules or parameters required or what is it? | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modules need to match kernel. uBoot replaces kernel by a uboot+kernel hybrid | 11:17 |
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| RST38h | Doc. Moorning. | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 11:17 |
| RST38h | Doc: Any idea where this out-of-the-blue Meego DE announcement came from? | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 11:18 |
| RST38h | Why such a sudden generosity? | 11:18 |
| RST38h | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481839.html | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no clue what U r talking bout | 11:18 |
| RST38h | see above | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it worth anything? | 11:20 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:25 |
| vanous | DocScrutinizer: hmm, my kernel matches, at least i think it does. | 11:27 |
| vanous | as if i flash it directly, it boots | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | vanous: I installed PK46+uBoot via HAM, and it worked | 11:27 |
| vanous | nogo here | 11:28 |
| vanous | normal pk46 boots ok for me | 11:28 |
| vanous | is there way to enable better kernel booting output? | 11:29 |
| Corsac | oh, people still working on dpkg for harmattan | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | tty-fixture | 11:29 |
| khertan | Corsac, probably the best idea ... give fragmentation ;) | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: probably "Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers" | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I.E. no apps for meego, so N950 is going to be an epic flop | 11:39 |
| kerio | omfg n950 | 11:40 |
| kerio | is it really happening? | 11:40 |
| kerio | a n900 with more ram? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: my suspicion is that the pushbutton-to-recompile compatibility promise from maemo5 to meego doesn't deliver | 11:41 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: did we promise that? | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yes, originally that's been the promise of meego and maemo-qt4.7 | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4.6? | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's been the only reason why meego didn't got bashed to the ground from beginning | 11:44 |
| visz | it's not going to be a flop if they already expect very low sales? | 11:44 |
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| timeless_w7ip | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt/ indicates meego has 4.7.1 | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I guess M6-meegflavoured-HE doesn't fly either, as in no apps for that either - "out of the box" | 11:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: in theory a Qt 4.6 app can look ugly on both maemo5 and meego | 11:48 |
| timeless_w7ip | so it should "work" | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | proof needed | 11:49 |
| timeless_w7ip | i don't think i have Qt on my n900 | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the migration path never been considered worthy for a QA criterion | 11:49 |
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| timeless_w7ip | oh, i have libqt4-core 4.7.0~git... | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet you have | 11:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | so in theory a Qt 4.7.0 app can look ugly on both maemo5 (pr1.3) and meego | 11:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | migration? what's that? | 11:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | yeah no, we don't test that | 11:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | we barely test the basic update path | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | in practice it will segfault without further comment though? | 11:50 |
| timeless_w7ip | which is why there was e.g. a pr1.0.1 to deal w/ the fact that we couldn't upgrade from pr1.0 to pr1.1 of maemo5 :) | 11:51 |
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| timeless_w7ip | well, i dunno, it might not segfault, but i sure would bet on it looking ugly | 11:51 |
| Corsac | it's qt anyway, so it's ugly | 11:51 |
| Corsac | wops | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I dont give a flying F on looks | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | what worries me is Nokia's notion about "bare bones supported, everything fancy is your problem and we honestly try to fsck it up for every update" | 11:53 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:54 |
| Mece | hey | 11:54 |
| lardman | who was looking at quad copters? http://www.elektor.com/news/quadrotor-up%28s%29-and-down%28s%29-with-ni-labview.1731573.lynkx?utm_source=UK&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news | 11:54 |
| lardman | hi Mece | 11:55 |
| Mece | lardman, you're the developer of mbarcode, right? | 11:55 |
| lardman | yep | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in "NK-enter bug in libvte? Not our problem. We fixed the cli binaries that ship with stock system to work with NK-enter" | 11:55 |
| * lardman wonders if he should have logged on this morning... ;) | 11:55 | |
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| Mece | lardman, i had some problems with it, i wondered if there's a solution. | 11:55 |
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| lardman | what were your problems? | 11:56 |
| Mece | lardman, i wanted to scan the barcode from an invoice so I wouldn't have to writ the thing into the bank thing | 11:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: we don't honestly try | 11:56 |
| lardman | do you know what type of barcode it is? | 11:56 |
| timeless_w7ip | but we do honestly succeed! | 11:56 |
| * ptl wonders if there's Meego for the Galaxy Tablet (1) yet | 11:57 | |
| Mece | lardman, first it couldn't read the thing for some reason. (it's a long one. no idea, it didnt say) | 11:57 |
| lardman | ptl: yes, but no touch events yes | 11:57 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc; oh, is that why <enter> over ssh generally breaks? | 11:57 |
| lardman | s/yes/yet | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: yes | 11:58 |
| timeless_w7ip | doc: got a bug i can vote for? | 11:58 |
| Mece | but after i took a picture and opened the file it could read it, only how am I supposed to get the data? I ended up using google and copying from the url. | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 11:58 |
| Mece | is there a way to just read the data so I can copy it to the clipboard? | 11:58 |
| lardman | Mece: ah ok, so mBarcode would decode it from file? | 11:58 |
| Mece | lardman, yep. | 11:59 |
| lardman | well mBarcode should give you the option of just copying the raw data to the clipboard | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: Honestly, I am now out of ideas. My crystal balls are all clouded. | 11:59 |
| Mece | lardman, and then it wanted me to choose a service | 11:59 |
| lardman | at the top there's a button to copy the data | 11:59 |
| RST38h | And moo, lardman | 11:59 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 11:59 |
| Mece | lardman, hmm. i just got a list of services. | 11:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | # "fix" the hold-key=sym nonsense | 11:59 |
| timeless_w7ip | ooh! | 11:59 |
| Mece | lemme try again | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: >> | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | # NK-Enter bug, putting less +/, htop "search", and many other back to proper | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | # https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 | 12:00 |
| povbot | Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications | 12:00 |
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| lardman | Mece: top right on the results window | 12:00 |
| lardman | ptl: why, you want to do some kernel hacking? | 12:01 |
| ptl | no | 12:01 |
| lardman | lol | 12:01 |
| ptl | I want to use it | 12:01 |
| ptl | :) | 12:01 |
| lardman | Well I'll try to get the xinput2 stuff working over the weekend | 12:01 |
| Mece | hmm.. perhaps I have some wrong settings. I ended up directly in the search providers dialog | 12:01 |
| ptl | cool... do you have a page for your project, lardman? I've only seen your announcement. | 12:02 |
| lardman | Mece: oh, you mean the websearch plugin? | 12:02 |
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| lardman | ptl: the hummingbird page on the meego wiki | 12:02 |
| lardman | Mece: if you only have one plugin enabled and the checkbox ticked to automatically use that plugin, then it will jump straight to it without giving you the list of plugins that can handle the barcode content (and the copy button is on the top right of that page) | 12:03 |
| Mece | lardman, ah found the problem. my bad. | 12:03 |
| ptl | wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird ? | 12:03 |
| lardman | ptl: yes | 12:03 |
| visz | i'd like to see mBarcode send the scanned barcodes to some sort of server | 12:03 |
| lardman | visz: they are broadcast in a DBus message | 12:04 |
| visz | right | 12:04 |
| Mece | lardman, is there any way to improve the searching somehow? so i don't have to take picture and open? | 12:04 |
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| lardman | Mece: What type of barcode is it? 2D like a QR code, or a long 1D version? | 12:05 |
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| lardman | Some problems have been reported with very large barcodes, which seem to be caused by insufficient resolution in the video stream | 12:05 |
| rantom | Hi, I'd have a quick question about promoting application from -Testing to Extras. | 12:06 |
| visz | i use the mbarcode to scan mac-addresses of ip-phones from their boxes, and use the macs to generate auto-provisionings | 12:06 |
| lardman | the video stream is not running at full res as otherwise the processing and display all take longer | 12:06 |
| visz | i guess the process could be automated much more if i just had the time =P | 12:06 |
| Mece | lardman, long 1D | 12:06 |
| rantom | Why in some cases those applications won't go to the Extras, though they've got required thumbs up and QA is over? | 12:06 |
| rantom | For example : http://maemo.org/packages/view/hermes/ | 12:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: how about increasing resolution automatically? | 12:06 |
| lardman | visz: glad it's finding a use :) You could probably write a python plugin to do what you want quite easily | 12:06 |
| lardman | Mece: ok | 12:06 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah I was thinking about doing that, not had time yet | 12:07 |
| lardman | but you have to stop the pipeline to alter the res, can't be done on the fly afaiu | 12:07 |
| lardman | and then it's working out whether you need higher res, or the user just hasn't pointed at the barcode yet, etc | 12:07 |
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| lardman | perhaps I should add a button on the screen to temporarily increase the res for the next 5s or whatever | 12:08 |
| mece1 | lardman, like this: http://www.niksula.hut.fi/~tsokura/pics/lasku.bmp | 12:08 |
| mece1 | whoa, bmp | 12:08 |
| mece1 | :d | 12:08 |
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| lardman | not sure I'd post my bank statement online either ;) | 12:09 |
| lardman | ok I see the barcode, is long and also has rather fine bars, so that will be the issue | 12:09 |
| lardman | ok, I'll sit down this weekend and see if I can take a crack at temporarily increasing the video res for things like this | 12:10 |
| lardman | and also look at fixing some of the other bugs, etc | 12:10 |
| mece | lardman, it's not mine, LOL | 12:10 |
| mece | i just googled lasku | 12:10 |
| lardman | oh that's ok ;) | 12:10 |
| mece | lardman, I have a differen suggestion. | 12:11 |
| lardman | fire away | 12:11 |
| mece | allow mbarcode to take a photo, and crop it in the application | 12:11 |
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| mece | manually if need be | 12:11 |
| lardman | so photo -> crop -> decode like that | 12:11 |
| lardman | still needs the pipeline to be reset | 12:12 |
| mece | lardman, no idea what the pipeline means in this context, but photo -> decode -> if fail -> crop -> decode | 12:12 |
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| lardman | there's a gstreamer pipeline which brings the data from the camera/video source | 12:13 |
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| mece | lardman ah yes. Well I guess you'd choose which mode to use. | 12:13 |
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| lardman | currently the res is reduced so fewer pixels need to be processed which means the app is more responsive | 12:14 |
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| mece | lardman, yep, problem is with long codes need to have the camera further away.. | 12:14 |
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| lardman | I'll have a look at temp switching the pipeline to full video res, but of course the still frame res is larger still | 12:14 |
| lardman | mece: that's a side effect of the video res thing | 12:15 |
| ptl | lardman: do you know how many and which sensors the galaxy tab has? This information was easy to find for the N900, but it seems quite hard to do the same for samsung galaxy tab. | 12:15 |
| lardman | I chop off the edges, so you appear to be closer | 12:15 |
| mece | lardman, well I was thinking having optionally the photo version instead of the active search thing. | 12:15 |
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| mece | anyway, thanks. Great app btw :) | 12:15 |
| ptl | like, does it have an ambient light sensor? | 12:15 |
| lardman | mece: ok, I'll have a think about that idea too | 12:15 |
| lardman | np, glad people like using it :) | 12:15 |
| lardman | ptl: yes it has one of those afair | 12:16 |
| lardman | ptl: you could look at your dmesg output to see the sensor list | 12:16 |
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| ptl | lots of output. | 12:17 |
| lardman | cat to a text file and read on a PC? | 12:18 |
| ptl | no need, I am reading it on my pc already | 12:18 |
| ptl | thanks anyway. | 12:18 |
| ptl | I was just saying that is a long text to parse. I'll try it. But I'd prefer a web source : | 12:18 |
| ptl | :) | 12:18 |
| lardman | you'll need to stick the part ids into Google to see what they are in a lot of cases | 12:18 |
| lardman | ptl: well xda probably has something, but you have the raw info in front of you | 12:19 |
| _0x47 | hi, I'm facing troubles on porting a debian package. The problem seems to be, that it comes with a built-in libtool, and scratchbox redirects the execution to the default libtool. Now, I've got some SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE lines in my debian/rules, but I'm not exactly sure if it works as expected. Output: http://pastebin.com/6MFW2pFX sbox_redirect_log: http://pastebin.com/FQi0jP6C debian/rules: http://pastebin.com/ZVCZbZed | 12:19 |
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| lardman | has anyone used qtm 1.x to try to add calendar events? Is the backend supposed to work? | 12:23 |
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| _0x47 | was my message displayed correctly (3 links in the end)? | 12:23 |
| lardman | _0x47: yep | 12:23 |
| _0x47 | k thx | 12:23 |
| lardman | but quite possibly no one knows how to fix your prob | 12:24 |
| _0x47 | Yeah, I guess I'll just give up, seems like nobody really knows how/wants to use scratchbox. Not much info on the internet either... | 12:25 |
| lardman | looks like your libtool is being used though? | 12:25 |
| _0x47 | I suppose if it was, there shouldn't be a line in the redirect log at all? | 12:26 |
| _0x47 | I'm really not sure tho, I was just wondering why it should crash if it used the libtool from the package, as it builds on Debian just fine | 12:27 |
| lardman | well those errors are quite odd, looks like an X has been added to the front of each argument | 12:27 |
| * lardman wonders about the last redirect | 12:27 | |
| lardman | tacks on a /bin/sh to the start | 12:28 |
| lardman | anyway sorry, I don't know much about redirects in sb, other than that I try to avoid needing them | 12:28 |
| _0x47 | even more weird is the fact, that these commands are not *in* the libtool (even without the leading X) | 12:28 |
| lardman | by e.g. renaming the binary I'm going to need to use | 12:28 |
| lardman | they are in the command line being passed to doltlibtool though | 12:29 |
| lardman | last line of the build | 12:29 |
| _0x47 | oh, then this may be an issue, but I don't understand if it is redirected or not | 12:29 |
| _0x47 | because I onlt put redirect-ignores for libtool in the debian/rules | 12:30 |
| lardman | would it need to be, is doltlibtool even in sb? | 12:30 |
| _0x47 | let me check | 12:30 |
| lardman | I think not, perhaps your trying to redirect it has broken things | 12:30 |
| _0x47 | not doing anything to doltlibtool yet, and is was broken right from the very first build. So maybe preventing any sort of redirecting helps. but wait, I'm doing a find right now | 12:31 |
| lardman | it appears in the redirect log was why I asked | 12:32 |
| _0x47 | well no, it is not in sb, so it cannot be redirected | 12:32 |
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| lardman | [2011-03-04 10:08:29 24946] Redirect(0): Script(0) ../../doltlibtool -> /scratchbox/tools/bin/bash ../../doltlibtool | 12:33 |
| lardman | but perhaps that's normal | 12:33 |
| _0x47 | doltlibtool: http://pastebin.com/UMTmFCKP | 12:33 |
| _0x47 | i hope it's normal | 12:33 |
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| lardman | bbiab, got to pop out | 12:34 |
| _0x47 | fair enough, bb | 12:35 |
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| _0x47 | mva: congratulations! | 12:52 |
| mva | _0x47: thx | 12:52 |
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| djszapi | from dmesg: http://paste.kde.org/6438/ -> I do not see anything in the output of 'fdisk -l' after connecting the device to the host PC in mass storage mode, nor the N900 memory, nor even the mmc/sdcard partition table. What do I do wrong ? from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there any more generic way to display notifications and esp yes/no dialogs from .deb pre/post-install scripts than particularly calling dbus-send to rise those hildon notifiers? | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in fact that's a massive flaw in pkgs like powerkernel, i2ctools, *#-ena and probably others, that breaks things when installing e.g via ssh remote login & apt-get | 13:08 |
| chem|st | ouch | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, ouch | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | works great with HAM, fails epically via fapman, apt-get and others | 13:09 |
| chem|st | those should be like notes for ham triggering dbus-send and be normal apt-get status | 13:11 |
| chem|st | so something like HAM: $status for apt-get | 13:11 |
| chem|st | and not the pkgs themself calling it | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds interesting but gibberish to me | 13:13 |
| lardman | re | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB I am a noob to deb packaging | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | my first approach would be to catch return error codes on dbus-send | 13:14 |
| chem|st | statusmessages should be handled in a way that apt understands in any case, with X or without... just fail! | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut?? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody wants it to fail | 13:15 |
| chem|st | no it is fail | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I just can't see what "apt nderstands" means for installing a pkg in HAM that needs to open a "this needs a restart! <OK>" requester | 13:16 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the package should make HAM aware of it and HAM should generate the dbus-send, apt-get should show something like a sidenote | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 13:18 |
| chem|st | so not the package should handle it but ham | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...doesn't help | 13:18 |
| chem|st | Im just talking what it should be like, yes | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm asking HOW to implement it exactly like you suggested, I asked if there's a way to do it that way | 13:19 |
| chem|st | nope, that is missing from HAM side | 13:19 |
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| chem|st | afaik | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | what you could do is check the parent process and if it is not HAM skip things | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quick&dirty way: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"NOTIFICATION" || echo "NOTIFICATION" | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dual purpose - catch error return codes and try a fallback plain echo | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course the check for PPID==HAM (or similar semantics) looks more sane, as e.g in a remote ssh the dbus-send still might work just displays on a screen you don't expect it at | 13:25 |
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| chem|st | I have no better idea for now sorry | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: afaik only i2ctools, powerkernel-related pkgs, and *#-ena do this weird thing. I consider getting rid of those notifications in all of them | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-get for example should work as well on a system in maintenance mode when there's no dbus started at all, not to talk about X/Hildon | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | +1 | 13:35 |
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| * chem|st would leave those msg an just restart, note it down in the pkg details... | 13:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if we need a special level of user protection, we could go for sth like `I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes apt-get install i2ctools` | 13:36 |
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| chem|st | suggested sth like that a year ago | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | everything but extras and ovi should have ham to warn users, instead of stupid "pkg is not verified" stuff | 13:39 |
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| joga | hmm http://myn900.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/meego-on-the-n900-officially-targeted-by-nokia/ | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ x$I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -ne xyes ]; then echo "please read the docs at http://wiki.maemo.org/i2ctools and in the README file in this pkg! aborting installation..."; exit 10; fi | 13:40 |
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| * ruskie really wishes people would stop using: [ x$I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -ne xyes ] constructs... the x is completly pointless in modern day shell... especially if you know what the system will run... :( | 13:45 | |
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| mece | hmm anyone played with dosbox on n900? | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik? | 13:47 |
| * SpeedEvil remembers someone playing with it. | 13:47 | |
| joga | can't remember if I played anything but I've started it a few times :) | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> if [ $me_doesnt_exist -ne xxx ]; then echo one; fi | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash: [: -ne: Einstelliger (unärer) Operator erwartet. | 13:48 |
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| ruskie | if [ "$me_doesnt_exist" != "xxx" ]; then echo one; fi | 13:49 |
| ruskie | works just fine | 13:49 |
| ruskie | and gets rid of that annoying x | 13:49 |
| mece | I wonder if it can play some of those nice fp dungeon crawlers, | 13:49 |
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| kerio | like minecraft? | 13:50 |
| mece | no, like eye of the beholder | 13:50 |
| kerio | minecraft's better | 13:50 |
| ruskie | or you could even do: if [[ $me_doesnt_exist != xxx ]]; then echo one; fi | 13:50 |
| mece | kerio, umm... | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, -ne is BS | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# if [[ $me_doesnt_exist != xxx ]]; then echo one; fi | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sh: xxx: unknown operand | 13:52 |
| ruskie | there might be a few operations where one would use the -mnemonic instead of a different operation... but in those cases it can be easier to predefine a blank variable and override it | 13:52 |
| ruskie | yes... [[ ]] is not sh | 13:52 |
| ruskie | but in this case was refering to bash | 13:52 |
| ruskie | since that's what you were running | 13:52 |
| ruskie | if [[ $me_doesnt_exist != xxx ]]; then echo one; fi | 13:52 |
| ruskie | one | 13:52 |
| ruskie | on bash or zsh | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | we aren't talking about bash, we were about postinst in apt-get | 13:53 |
| mece | kerio, one might also argue that dragon age: origins is better than eye of the beholder, but that is entirely unrelated to my question ;) | 13:53 |
| kerio | minecraft *is* a first person dungeon crawler | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you shoud stay with generic shell syntax | 13:53 |
| kerio | it has dungeons, and it's first person | 13:53 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, then [ "$me_doesnt_exist" != "xxx" ]; should work just fine | 13:54 |
| mece | kerio, true. but it does not run in dosbox, or on the n900 afaict | 13:54 |
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| flexxxv | hey, where are the icons for the categorize of ham stored? and where ist apmefo looking for icons? (I would like to symlink them) | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apmefo and catorice don't look for icons anywhere, basically. Both just edit the /usr/share/applications/hildon/ directory structure | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon is looking for icons that are defines in *.desktop files, no matter if catorize, apmefo, or nothing is installed | 14:21 |
| flexxxv | DocScrutinizer>: I mean the folder icons. | 14:21 |
| flexxxv | catorize is using the HAM icons | 14:21 |
| flexxxv | I don't know where they are, but would like to link them to /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon | 14:22 |
| flexxxv | so that I can use them with apmefo | 14:22 |
| flexxxv | I already did this once but I forgot where these icons are stored | 14:22 |
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| flexxxv | ok I found them. The HAM Icons are in /usr/share/themes/default | 14:27 |
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| flexxxv | arg I messed something up. in which package are the icons of /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ ? | 14:37 |
| ruskie | gnome-hicolor maybe? or something similar | 14:37 |
| ruskie | note: dpkg is your friend | 14:38 |
| ruskie | it has a flag to search for a file in package | 14:38 |
| ruskie | might be dpgk -S /path/with/filename | 14:38 |
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| E0x | so , what about the official support of meegon in n900 as dev version ? | 14:39 |
| flexxxv | thx I just forgot about this | 14:39 |
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| E0x | i want hear you opinion about it DocScrutinizer | 14:39 |
| ruskie | it's nice that they plan on working on it | 14:39 |
| ruskie | would be nicer if they streched some design muscle and actually made a usable UI for the handset version | 14:40 |
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| E0x | ruskie: the actual UI ( i not tested it yet ) is not good ? | 14:40 |
| ruskie | it's like a mix between iphone and android... | 14:40 |
| E0x | but is that bad ? | 14:41 |
| ruskie | aka a smartphone style device... so generally unusable for anything but phone functionality | 14:41 |
| E0x | ah ok | 14:41 |
| E0x | i get you now | 14:41 |
| ruskie | not bad per-se... but frankly I wouldn't want to use it for anything more than phoning | 14:41 |
| ruskie | just like I used my n95... | 14:41 |
| E0x | true | 14:41 |
| ruskie | has all those functions... but pointless controls/ui | 14:41 |
| E0x | maemo style is more mini-computer style | 14:41 |
| ruskie | yup | 14:42 |
| ruskie | and that's what I love about it | 14:42 |
| E0x | maybe a mix between then could better | 14:42 |
| E0x | something like maemo 5 with a good portrait mode | 14:42 |
| ruskie | or just have two distinct UI setups | 14:42 |
| ruskie | one stronger on portrait/smartphone layout the other computer style/landscape | 14:43 |
| E0x | or a table mode , something like that | 14:43 |
| E0x | ruskie: yes | 14:43 |
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| ruskie | that's really the only way I can see the device fitting everyone | 14:43 |
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| E0x | true | 14:44 |
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| E0x | a least this dev version of meego | 14:44 |
| ruskie | an as I'm not that familiar with various smartphone UIs I couldn't say if the current mode is great for those that prefer smartphone centric UIs | 14:45 |
| ruskie | but it could be | 14:45 |
| ruskie | so the only thing that would be needed is a computer centric mode based on m4 or m5 | 14:45 |
| E0x | i really like maemo 5 style , but something i wish could be in portrait mode | 14:45 |
| E0x | like unlock screen | 14:45 |
| ruskie | I never use it one handed | 14:46 |
| E0x | i can now type my unlock code with one hand just fine | 14:46 |
| E0x | but was hard | 14:46 |
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| ruskie | I generally have reach for all the sw keys | 14:47 |
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| E0x | talking about this now make sense | 14:49 |
| E0x | the project at tmo | 14:49 |
| E0x | about have meego core and maemo UI | 14:50 |
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| ruskie | well I could live with any computer like UI frankly... | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure I won't accept that meego mickey mouse UI | 14:53 |
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| E0x | DocScrutinizer51: heh | 14:53 |
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| E0x | now nokia just need open everything in maemo5 | 14:54 |
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| andre__ | ...plus introduce world piece. easy one. | 14:57 |
| andre__ | s/piece/peace | 14:57 |
| E0x | heh | 14:57 |
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| vanous | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG my uboot story has no lucky end. after all possible combinations (for MohammadAG: i can boot shr from uSD but cannot get maemo booting with uboot, it boots OK witj pk46) i have reflashed rootfs and did a clean install of pk46 and u-boot-power via ham, boot still ends with "Starting kernel..." | 14:59 |
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| alterego | "N900 crahes ever 3 minutes!" another OC casualty? :D | 15:39 |
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| khertan | probably | 15:39 |
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| BCMM | does OC damage look the same as it does on x86? random segfaults and so on, certain applications effected disproportionately? | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably. | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Hard to say. | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: want to dump the twitter feed to the 'pad sometime today or tonight so I can work on it tonight? | 15:43 |
| ccooke | BCMM: yes. also smoke and a vague smell of burning | 15:43 |
| BCMM | i mean, it's really really recognisable on a linux PC | 15:44 |
| BCMM | well, overheating damage in general | 15:44 |
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| BCMM | never OCed anything very far, but was asked to fix a P4 that was running at ~100C due to terrible cooling... | 15:45 |
| BCMM | ccooke: surely that would happen long after the device was completely dead? | 15:46 |
| ccooke | BCMM: depends. I'm aware of an x86 chip that continued working while it was smouldering. Not for very long, mind | 15:47 |
| BCMM | wow... | 15:47 |
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| ruskie | there was a story about an amd proc that had the cpu fan fail ages ago and it kept running just with a heatsink @116C for months | 15:48 |
| BCMM | actually, if a p4 can run for *months* at about 100C (idle-ish), i wouldn't be surprised if you could reach the smoke point of some plastics, for a few minutes | 15:48 |
| BCMM | ruskie: wow, any BIOS that doesn't kill the power when the temp does that is pretty worrying | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 15:49 |
| ruskie | BCMM, this was when bios was not that smart | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia Nielsen Panel - Invitation to Wall Charger Survey | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - meh. | 15:49 |
| khertan | and bios doesn't do all | 15:49 |
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| khertan | my amd 3200+ (2ghz) was oc to 3.8Ghz | 15:49 |
| ruskie | and again bios can be disabled to do that | 15:49 |
| ruskie | and I do it always | 15:49 |
| khertan | with a very high voltage | 15:50 |
| khertan | works during 2 days :) | 15:50 |
| khertan | and die :) | 15:50 |
| ruskie | frankly had cpus that ran without a heatsink for some 5-10 minutes... than the system just froze | 15:50 |
| ruskie | shut it down... put the heatsink back... and it ran on | 15:51 |
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| BCMM | my bios is configured to make horrible noises if the CPU fan stops, and shut down if the temp hits 90 or something - i thought everybody had that now? | 15:52 |
| BCMM | (unless they are actually trying to do somethign stupid) | 15:52 |
| ruskie | BCMM, by default it might be | 15:52 |
| ruskie | I find it annoying that the bios would shut down the system for whatever reason | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lol. | 15:53 |
| ruskie | especially as the sensors can actually be off-by-a-lot | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | How do you feel, if the charger is non-black? How do you feel, if the charger is slim? How do you feel, if the charger is thick? | 15:53 |
| BCMM | rather have it that way than have it shut down by the heat, personally | 15:53 |
| khertan | BCMM, yep | 15:54 |
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| ruskie | I'd need to check if my bios is actually set to do anything | 15:54 |
| ruskie | other than just start some siren crap | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Do people read these things? | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | "How do you feel, if the size of the charger cost is optimized? How do you feel, if the size of the charger cost is not optimized?" | 15:54 |
| ruskie | of course I'm not exactly worried about overheating... the amount of air that goes through all my computers tend to be quite high... so usually get just a slightly warmer breeze on the other side | 15:55 |
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| ruskie | SpeedEvil, rofl | 15:55 |
| ruskie | is that meant for some I don't know... beancounters or something? | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: It's a survey I got invited to take part in. | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | About phone chargers. | 15:56 |
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| khertan | ruskie, instead of having a expensive cooling system, it s cheaper to buy a higher processor and underclock it for the same result :) | 15:56 |
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| khertan | SpeedEvil, size didn't matter | 15:57 |
| ruskie | my only suggestion about phone chargers... use the same plug and don't make the bricks so large that they cover any other plugs around them... and for the EU market... make them schuko... NOT euro plugs so that they'll actually STAY in the damn outlet... | 15:57 |
| khertan | SpeedEvil, what s matter is to not to connect cable ! | 15:57 |
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| ruskie | khertan, who said about expensive? | 15:57 |
| ruskie | most of the fans I got out of old/ancient PSUs and other systems | 15:57 |
| khertan | :) | 15:57 |
| khertan | SpeedEvil, http://www.palm.com/us/products/accessories/touchstone-technology.html <<<< probably the best charger i ever see | 15:58 |
| ruskie | I have a 120mm fan iirc that I got from some ancient dual cpu 486 ibm servers | 15:58 |
| ruskie | had to destructively dismantle the psu unit | 15:58 |
| ruskie | it was basically wellded shut | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | khertan: I have a PSU design for my advanced torch that uses a really bright LED. | 15:58 |
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| ruskie | but I'm running it on 5V or maybe 12V not sure anymore... could be 12V it's quite but moves a LOT of air | 15:59 |
| ruskie | and that goes through my server | 15:59 |
| ruskie | it also helps that my server and firewall both run atom boards | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Blondie - Atomic. | 16:00 |
| ruskie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko <-- I want such a plug on the bricks... not the whimpy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug which if the pins aren't just right will just fall out of the socket... | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | "I would like the cable to be fixed, but replaceable. For example, a standard nokia microUSB cable would plug onto the charger, and then wrap neatly round the charger, for secure transport. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The cable could then be removed if you needed to connect to a PC, or if you need to use it as a garrotte, in case of meeting Mr Elop" | 16:02 |
| ruskie | hehe | 16:02 |
| ruskie | I don't want usb plugs | 16:03 |
| ruskie | I want the charger to be dedicated with high quality electronics that do what needs to be done | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - well - power by wifi isn't there yet. | 16:03 |
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| ruskie | I've went through to many 220v<->usb plugs | 16:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | and power by EM field adds weight. | 16:03 |
| ruskie | they all have this annoynig high pitched whine due to shoddy electronics... even the higher quality ones | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: How old are you?> | 16:04 |
| ruskie | 28 | 16:04 |
| ruskie | I have very good hearing | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: Odd. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Most PSUs operate at >60KHz | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - maybe not in pulse skipping mode under no loada. | 16:04 |
| ruskie | and by that I mean that I can "hear" if a TV is on without seeing if it's on... | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | That's only 15625hz though | 16:05 |
| ruskie | it's actually annoying since an ambulance siren will cause me to cover my ears | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you in fact a bat? | 16:05 |
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| ruskie | just sensitive hearing | 16:05 |
| cos^ | superpower! | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Great hearing isn't a superpower. | 16:06 |
| ruskie | it's a curse a lot of the time | 16:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | It'd be a superpower if he could hear something in another country. | 16:06 |
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| * SpeedEvil realises he is listening to australia right now. | 16:06 | |
| ruskie | it's actually a medical condition and could be treated | 16:06 |
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| ruskie | but so far the benefit of actually being able to listen to whispered conversations in a rather crowded room outweigh it | 16:07 |
| cos^ | you should start dj'ing | 16:07 |
| ruskie | why? | 16:07 |
| ruskie | to actually lose my hearing? | 16:07 |
| * SpeedEvil is reminded of the guy with two functional penises, who got one removed. | 16:07 | |
| ruskie | can't actually stand a lot of noise | 16:07 |
| ruskie | bass is something that happens to other people I just experience pain | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Earplugs easily fix that though. | 16:08 |
| cos^ | sounds bad | 16:08 |
| ruskie | cos^, well since I'm not a party goer | 16:09 |
| ruskie | and tend to enjoy any music at rather low low volumes it's not to much of a problem | 16:09 |
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| ruskie | it can be treated by broadband noise theraphy | 16:09 |
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| ruskie | to reset the levels | 16:09 |
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| ruskie | but as said... so far hasn't negatively impacted me to such an affect | 16:10 |
| ruskie | anyway gotta run | 16:10 |
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| cos^ | headphones to high volume and then cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp | 16:10 |
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| cos^ | ==diy broadband noise therapy | 16:11 |
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| cos^ | dang, doesn't work on ubuntu. there's no more /dev/dsp | 16:14 |
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| lardman | ah, cos^ | 16:16 |
| lardman | did you see my post from earlier about a quadcopter? | 16:16 |
| lardman | cos^: http://www.elektor.com/news/quadrotor-up%28s%29-and-down%28s%29-with-ni-labview.1731573.lynkx?utm_source=UK&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news | 16:17 |
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| lardman | Bloody Android, first time I bother to boot it in weeks and I may have downloaded one of those bloody virus-ridden apps | 16:17 |
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| cos^ | lardman: nice | 16:18 |
| lardman | what, the virus? ;) | 16:18 |
| steve___ | Is there away to set the profiles based on time? eg 11pm Silent, 8am General | 16:19 |
| cos^ | time for after work.. afk | 16:19 |
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| iluminator101 | is there a kindle app for maemo | 16:20 |
| steve___ | iluminator101: Is the kindle ebook format called epub? | 16:22 |
| iluminator101 | hmm....idk...i use only use .mobi's | 16:23 |
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| steve___ | iluminator101: ahh. I haven't used a kindle. The other day I downloaded an epub file and viewed it with a firefox plugin. | 16:28 |
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| iluminator101 | steve___, i use this program called fbreader but its does have page forwards tags.... | 16:30 |
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| exes | so I have the Nokia N900 and am exploring ways to sync my contacts between it and Thunderbird, any ideas? | 16:37 |
| exes | I guess Funambol is the way to go | 16:37 |
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| exes | I found this cool SyncML lightweight PHP/MySQL server called mooha, but I can't sync contacts to the phone from the server, only the other way around | 16:39 |
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| dominikb | on the n900, is it programmatically possible to turn off the network devices (WLAN, 3G) without switching to flight mode? | 16:46 |
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| lardman | dominikb: of course, but whether such functionality is readily available I don't know | 16:50 |
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| dominikb | lardman: maybe via dbus? probably not via qt(mobility)? | 16:51 |
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| lardman | perhaps, I'd look to see what if anything is passed over dbus when you use the on/off button flight mode switch | 16:51 |
| lardman | otherwise I guess you should be able to do what you need by echoing appropriate values in the sysfs | 16:52 |
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| dominikb | lardman: flight mode is ok and i can easily switch to it via dbus, but i do not want this mode to be active when the device powers up again. when the device is powered off while in flight mode it presents a modal dialog on startup. | 16:54 |
| lardman | yep | 16:55 |
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| dominikb | lardman: thanks. that does the job: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disable_cellular_radio | 16:59 |
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| lardman | good good | 16:59 |
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| Jartza | öri öri kirahvi | 17:35 |
| Jartza | oops | 17:35 |
| Jartza | #wrong | 17:35 |
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| lardman | phew, looks like I didn't have any affected apps on my Tab | 18:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, ? | 18:00 |
| lardman | virus scare for Android, and I happened to boot Android (first time in weeks) just while the infected files were in the market | 18:01 |
| zerojay | lol | 18:01 |
| zerojay | You had nothing to worry about unless you downloaded the apps. | 18:02 |
| lardman | autoupdate? | 18:02 |
| zerojay | And unless you tend to download scummy Paris hilton nude apps, you should be fine. | 18:02 |
| lardman | lol | 18:02 |
| lardman | yeah, well there was a scientific calculator and a barcode scanner listed too, it was those rather than the racy japanese school girl apps I was worried about ;) | 18:02 |
| zerojay | I highly doubt you would have downloaded them. They were all essentially spam apps anyways. | 18:03 |
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| zerojay | What you can do to make sure you don't ever have a problem is install Lookout. | 18:03 |
| khertan | It s funny that many french site are speaking about the n950 and his rumored specs as official | 18:04 |
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| zerojay | I learned long ago never to believe french sites about anything. lol | 18:04 |
| zerojay | Definitely not about games. | 18:04 |
| lardman | safer to finish porting Meego and not have to use Android again ;) | 18:05 |
| zerojay | lol | 18:05 |
| zerojay | right. | 18:05 |
| zerojay | Safer to not bother wasting your time, really. | 18:06 |
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| lardman | otoh, it's quite good to play with Android and see just how nicely it works, gives one something to aim for with Meego | 18:10 |
| lardman | viruses notwithstanding | 18:10 |
| zerojay | And still have a command line to boot. | 18:11 |
| lardman | for an end user the nice calendar, email integration, very good maps, etc. make it great | 18:12 |
| lardman | but I'd like to run maths and modelling sw, so need to be able to program in C/C++/FORTRAN really | 18:12 |
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| lardman | plus who wants a finished product, it's the getting there that's fun | 18:12 |
| zerojay | Think you can do that now. | 18:13 |
| zerojay | Agreed. | 18:13 |
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| zerojay | that's why I'm helping port cyanogenmod 7 (gingerbread) to my phone with a few others. | 18:13 |
| lardman | N900? | 18:14 |
| zerojay | Samsung Captivate. | 18:14 |
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| zerojay | Galaxy S | 18:14 |
| lardman | ah ok, no wonder you've not been around much | 18:14 |
| zerojay | When the whole shift to meego happened, I wasn't happy with what I saw and what I had to deal with. | 18:15 |
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| lardman | zerojay: understandable | 18:18 |
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| Corsac | zerojay: and how do you find the galaxy S and the whole android stuff? | 18:19 |
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| GAN900 | zerojay, ordered a Nook Color for shits'n'giggles. | 18:19 |
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| lardman | GAN900: planning to port Meego to it? | 18:20 |
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| lardman | any thoughts on this sudden Meego on the N900 effort from Nokia? | 18:24 |
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| lardman | perhaps they have finished Harmattan and needed something to do with their time? | 18:24 |
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| MohammadAG | what sudden effort? | 18:24 |
| ruskie | yeah they figured that they make an insane mistake with the wp7 stuff | 18:24 |
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| MohammadAG | (haven't been on tmo in a while, sick) | 18:25 |
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| ruskie | MohammadAG, haven't you heard? nokia is officially helping with n900 meego | 18:25 |
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| lardman | the recent announcement that they'll produce a developer edition | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | hasn't that always been true? | 18:25 |
| ruskie | http://myn900.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/meego-on-the-n900-officially-targeted-by-nokia/ | 18:25 |
| ruskie | MohammadAG, no | 18:25 |
| lardman | they were working on a hw reference platform, but not on making it usable, apparently | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | lardman, yes. | 18:25 |
| _0x47 | lardman: hey there, remember my problem with the porting? | 18:26 |
| lardman | _0x47: yes indeed | 18:26 |
| lardman | get it sorted? | 18:26 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/04/windows_update/ <-- they broke it again... | 18:26 |
| _0x47 | not really, but I indeed found the problem | 18:26 |
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| ruskie | wp7 that is | 18:26 |
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| _0x47 | lardman: optarg=`$echo "X$arg" | $Xsed -e 's/[-_a-zA-Z0-9]*=//'` ;; | 18:26 |
| _0x47 | $echo is echo | 18:27 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: on meego ml or meego wiki rather than tmo | 18:27 |
| _0x47 | X$arg is the current arg, with X in front | 18:27 |
| _0x47 | and Xsed is sed (gnu) | 18:27 |
| _0x47 | to remove the X again | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | cool | 18:27 |
| _0x47 | so, I ran these commands from command line like | 18:27 |
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| lardman | _0x47: well glad you worked out what it was | 18:27 |
| _0x47 | echo "Xasdfsgfarg" | /usr/bin/gnu/sed -e '1s/^X//' -e 's/[-_a-zA-Z0-9]*=//' | 18:28 |
| _0x47 | and it works perfect :/ | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone got a link to meego-dev? | 18:28 |
| lardman | but still not the script? | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hope something useful comes of it. | 18:28 |
| _0x47 | lardman: yeah, but I don't get it, why would it fail from a script? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, I'm only subscribed to -community | 18:28 |
| lardman | GAN900: iirc Ubuntu is/has been ported | 18:28 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: too many bloody lists over there | 18:28 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev | 18:28 |
| lardman | _0x47: check that bash/sh handles the shell stuff correctly | 18:29 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, the guides I saw all seemed to be doing it weirdly, though. | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | Had to launch a vnc server. | 18:29 |
| _0x47 | lardman: do you know how I can find out whether I use sh or bash? | 18:29 |
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| lardman | _0x47: might expect bash, but gets sh in sb, somethihng like that | 18:29 |
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| GAN900 | It's chroot or similar bs. | 18:29 |
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| lardman | GAN900: ah ok, yeah that's a waste of time | 18:29 |
| _0x47 | lardman: i just had the same thought, but how to find out? | 18:30 |
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| lardman | GAN900: well when you get it give me a shout and I'll give you a hand | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Seems like Ubuntu could be booted fine, though. | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, thanks | 18:30 |
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| lardman | _0x47: check what is and isn't available in sh vs bash, see if that stuff is used in the script, etc? | 18:30 |
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| lardman | GAN900: yes I'd have thought so, then just a faff getting touch to work, etc | 18:31 |
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| lardman | what is up with this silly irc server? | 18:31 |
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| MohammadAG | it's freenode | 18:31 |
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| GAN900 | Really cool if I could get MeeGo going. | 18:31 |
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| lardman | presumably one of the servers is having troubles | 18:31 |
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| GAN900 | Too bad there's no Tablet UX yet, though. | 18:32 |
| _0x47 | lardman: it's so weird, it works on both. (if I run the command from sh, and bash I get the expected result) | 18:32 |
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| lardman | GAN900: have you done some digging into how to flash a kernel, etc? | 18:32 |
| lardman | GAN900: does it have an SD card slot? | 18:32 |
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| lardman | _0x47: not the raw command but the shell-isms used to get the commands running in the scrikpt | 18:32 |
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| _0x47 | lardman: but If I run the script manually from bash or sh, it will fail. I have debug enabled and modified it a bit to see on which line the sed command fails, let me pastebin | 18:33 |
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| lardman | what does it have after the hash-bang? | 18:33 |
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| lardman | doesn't matter if you run the commands in the terminal | 18:34 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, yes. | 18:39 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, no, haven't done any digging yet. | 18:39 |
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| _0x47 | lardman: http://pastebin.com/1wrAM2LQ | 18:39 |
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| lardman | GAN900: yes to the sd slot? | 18:39 |
| GalegO | Hi guys! | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 18:40 |
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| GalegO | How the nexts steps og meego by Nokia?? If I buy a N900, how it will be supported? | 18:40 |
| lardman | that's good, can leave the main system intact then | 18:40 |
| _0x47 | doesn't matter if I run the script with sh or bash (#!/bin/bash) or from command line | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Little Endian question response? | 18:40 |
| lardman | lol | 18:40 |
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| GAN900 | I really like high-dpi IPS displays. | 18:40 |
| lardman | _0x47: hmm, ok, so it's not that then | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | 1024x600 at 7 inches is about perfect for a tablet. | 18:40 |
| lardman | _0x47: I don't know I'm afraid, and am a bit busy atm so don't really have time to do any digging | 18:40 |
| lardman | GAN900: yeah same as the Tab | 18:41 |
| _0x47 | lardman: ok, thanks anyways | 18:41 |
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| lardman | _0x47: multitasking writing CUDA code and talking is about all I can manage, not also debugging shell script problems, sorry! | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | Lot cheaper, though. *g* | 18:41 |
| lardman | GAN900: yeah | 18:41 |
| _0x47 | lardman: it's okay :P | 18:42 |
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| _0x47 | lardman: I found it! :) the $echo variable has the very amazing and totally awesome value if '' (these are two ' with nothing in it ffs) | 18:50 |
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| _0x47 | if -> of* | 18:50 |
| _0x47 | that's kind of a lame thing, took me like forever to find out | 18:50 |
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| lardman | always the simple things you know ;) | 18:57 |
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| dominikb_ | is it possible to program the n900 so that it wakes up (powers up) at a certain time? | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | dominikb_, since the n900 already can wake itself up to bring up alarms and stuff, I would say it is pretty likely, though probably uber complex | 19:04 |
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| hejos | hi there | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It's actually not. | 19:04 |
| hejos | is it possible to use a more recent kernel on the n900? | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 will wake itself from off if there are scheduled alarms | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 19:05 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, waking up to ring alarm != bringing it up fully afaik? | 19:05 |
| lcuk | ie do you know how to change it to do it? | 19:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | tru | 19:06 |
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| hejos | no one? | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | hejos, more recent in what way? afaik only meego ould biuld with later later kernels | 19:09 |
| hejos | lcuk: why not? I need the latest version of our usb controller driver | 19:11 |
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| hejos | with meego I heard it's not possible to use the host mode on the n90 | 19:11 |
| hejos | n900 | 19:11 |
| lcuk | hejos, don't ask me, IANAKH (I am not a kernel hacker) | 19:12 |
| flexxxv | hey, how can I check if a charger support fast charging on N900? | 19:12 |
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| hejos | thx anyway :) | 19:12 |
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| GAN900 | flexxxv, what's it rated for? | 19:16 |
| flexxxv | 1A | 19:17 |
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| GAN900 | This is a SpeedEvil or DocScrutinizer question, but I'd say less than 700 or 800mA and it's unlikely to meet a fast definition. | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 19:17 |
| flexxxv | But I dont know if it shorts D+ and D- | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | The factory one is 1.2A | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | Ah, hmm. | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | Does it charge? | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | My 0th order answer would be 'get out your DMM' | 19:18 |
| flexxxv | yeah it charges (or it woul but says it is full) | 19:18 |
| flexxxv | I couldn't I use a multimeter? | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | DMM = Digital MultiMeter | 19:21 |
| SpeedEvil | measure between the D+ and D- pins - if shorted, it will fast charge | 19:21 |
| kerio | flexxxv is a steampunk hipster | 19:21 |
| kerio | he only uses analog equipment | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | zooming into hildon-desktop is fun | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | it's a shame some patches on gitorious were ignored | 19:22 |
| lardman | hejos: the exact comment was iirc that someone would need to get the host patches in order and preferably mainlined | 19:22 |
| flexxxv | :P not too easy to measure these pin... need some old cable | 19:22 |
| kerio | well SpeedEvil was into measuring pins before it became mainstream | 19:23 |
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| flexxxv | what does 200 Ihm means? | 19:27 |
| flexxxv | (between D+ and D-) | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | Steampunk hipster? I'm gonna have to remember that one. | 19:29 |
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| vanous | MohammadAG: i am trying to troubleshoot system not wanting to uboot into maemo pk46. the uboot-pr13 boots just fine. any way to see what happens after "Starting kernel ..." ? | 19:40 |
| vanous | i have tried all combinations, making sure pk46 and modules are installed correctly, finally reflashed rootfs and did a clean u-boot install but situation is still the same | 19:41 |
| vanous | used HAM for the install | 19:41 |
| vanous | yesterday i tried the same, after extracting pk46 kernel from deb and flashing it directly (from a linux box) it would boot, when i create a combined image, i get always the same result (as with u-boot-power): "Starting kernel..." | 19:43 |
| vanous | MohammadAG: any idea? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: for N900 this means fastcharge | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: only when measured at charger output :-P | 20:01 |
| flexxxv | great | 20:02 |
| flexxxv | one charger less | 20:02 |
| flexxxv | My Camera also needs micro usb for chargin :D | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, micro-usb now is kinda defacto standard for charging (at least in china and EU) - nevertheless they found some dozen creative ways how to use those 5 pins for charging, so an apple charger won't work with Nokia, and odds are your camera charger is using still another scheme to indicate / enable fastcharging | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | microusb sucks | 20:06 |
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| jacekowski | old nokia connectors were so much more robust | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | china sucks | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | EU sucks | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer sucks | 20:07 |
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| flexxxv | I still haven't experienced any probs with micro usb. (N900, other cellphone, mouse etc) | 20:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 20:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 20:13 | |
| Venemo_N900 | why did my MyDocs file system become read-only? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | rounds endurance of micro-usb is higher than mini-usb | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, fsck it | 20:14 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: my suggestion is that you use a computer (via usb mass storage) to backup it, then fsck/scandisk it, then restart n900. | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | eh | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | and why did it become messed up? | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | no need to restart, just umount, fsck, mount | 20:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | can I do it from the N900 alone? | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | unsafe removal | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | how? | 20:15 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N900: beacuse you don't know why it happened is why I suggest you back it up. Just in case... | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | with 5 cups of coffe | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro, understandable | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1; fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1; mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs | 20:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, hahaha | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | something along the line umount; fsck.ext3; reboot | 20:16 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, vfat* | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | umount: cannot umount /home/user/MyDocs: Device or resource busy | 20:17 |
| javispedro | this is why you _always_ suggest to restart when doing support ;) | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | close whatever's using it | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | ehh | 20:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | but why the hell is it busy? only the irc app and terminal are running | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I'll do it when I get home and take a backup as javispedro suggested | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: install backupmenu, it has a fsck option for all fs, early during boot when they aren't yet mounted | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | (or force the umount) | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | umount -l ... | 20:20 |
| javispedro | wow | 20:20 |
| javispedro | that does not force it | 20:20 |
| javispedro | it does a lazy unmount, which could actually be dangerous here | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:20 |
| Proteous | can't you tell what file handles are open? | 20:20 |
| javispedro | n900 has lsof iirc | 20:21 |
| javispedro | (on stock busybox I mean) | 20:21 |
| hejos | lardman: just read, what do you mean? | 20:21 |
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| lardman | hejos: re host mode? | 20:21 |
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| hejos | I mean | 20:22 |
| hejos | it's not possible to apply that patches because | 20:23 |
| hejos | there are also the nokia patches and the H-E-N patches | 20:23 |
| hejos | right? | 20:23 |
| lardman | you would need to change the patchset | 20:23 |
| hejos | or the hen patches are just mainline patches? | 20:23 |
| lardman | but there's no reason why you couldn't do that | 20:23 |
| hejos | uhm | 20:24 |
| lardman | I've not compared so I don't know | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuser -k | 20:24 |
| lardman | but basically the kernel version has changed, you'd need to rebase the host mode patches and either keep them for your use, or try to get them into mainline | 20:24 |
| hejos | yes exactly, the kernel version is changed so even applying those patches | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 20:25 |
| hejos | only to that files it's very very very possible that it doesn't compile | 20:25 |
| lardman | hejos: of course, I've no doubt they won't even apply | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n patches never will go mainline :-P | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the problem? | 20:26 |
| lardman | in which case hejos will need to maintain a patchset against the current Meego kernel, which is what hen does now against the Meego kernel afaiu | 20:26 |
| hejos | DocScrutinizer: yes but I mean, h-e-n patches are based on mainline right? | 20:26 |
| lardman | no | 20:26 |
| hejos | uhm | 20:26 |
| lardman | based on the Maemo kernel afaiu | 20:27 |
| dominikb_ | lcuk: just read your msg. you think it's not that easy to schedule a 'power on', right? | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, they are on top of nokia patchset | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maemo, yes | 20:27 |
| hejos | but what Nokia does in particular? | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who knows | 20:27 |
| hejos | and why the host mode doesn't work on Meego | 20:28 |
| hejos | Meego it's a new kernel | 20:28 |
| hejos | there should be the host mode | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's an interesting question | 20:28 |
| hejos | stupid question maybe | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe they got a completely different musb-core stack | 20:28 |
| hejos | are you speaking about Meego? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:29 |
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| hejos | k | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | the patches aren't upstream | 20:29 |
| hejos | but doesn't work for sure? | 20:29 |
| hejos | the usb host on meego | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard (and know) mainline is some patches ahead with musbcore | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | afaik no one tried | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and meego bases on mainline afaik | 20:30 |
| hejos | k | 20:30 |
| hejos | maybe I can try meego | 20:30 |
| hejos | what's the main disadvantage? | 20:30 |
| hejos | what doesn't work? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | in meego? | 20:31 |
| hejos | yep | 20:31 |
| hejos | meego + n900 | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess installing angrybirds won't work | 20:31 |
| hejos | I mean which features of the n900 don't work | 20:31 |
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| MohammadAG | angrybirds works i think | 20:31 |
| hejos | it's just a game | 20:31 |
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| MohammadAG | are you a developer? | 20:32 |
| lardman | hejos: your justification was that you required a more modern version of something or other wasn't it? | 20:32 |
| hejos | yes | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so s/angrybords/arbitrary maemo apps/ | 20:32 |
| lardman | so you should trade off the effort of moving the patches forward vs your code backwards | 20:32 |
| hejos | I want to try the last version of our usb controller | 20:32 |
| hejos | Yep MohammadAG | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if you know about why your usbcontroller (whatever it be) needs newest kernel usb support, you also should know about the usb differences between maemo and meego | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and applying/adapting the h-e-n patches shouldn't be any hard for you | 20:35 |
| lardman | I'm assuming this controller is a controller of something with usb control, as opposed to a controller of usb devices | 20:35 |
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| lardman | I guess that backporting your device driver would be significantly easier than moving the HEN patches forward to Meego, but I've not looked at either | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n patches are basically simple | 20:37 |
| hejos | see you guys | 20:37 |
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| hejos | thx | 20:37 |
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| lardman | hejos: which particular kernel version intoduced the change in the usb driver that causes your problems? | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | his problems are caused by git. Paul's commit is pretty clear | 20:38 |
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| lardman | ah well, I tried | 20:38 |
| lardman | :) | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: check h-e-n git, it's mainline + nokia patches + paul's h-e-n patches | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 20:40 |
| lardman | ok | 20:40 |
| lardman | not something I've ever used nor needed to | 20:40 |
| lardman | but really it'd not surprising that the patches don't apply to a far newer kernel | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not a huge complicated patchset, and if it doesn't apply, then we seen some improvements in musb-core that are nice to have and might obsolete some of h-e-n | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not hard to figure | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | it should apply with some offsets | 20:41 |
| lardman | ah fair enough | 20:41 |
| lardman | as I said, I've not seen either his driver nor the hen patches | 20:42 |
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| lardman | it would be better to try to move the patchset to the Meego kernel of course | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 20:42 |
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| * lardman is facing the same issue with the Samsung patches for the Tab | 20:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see elementary problems, except maybe meego is missing quite some bits nokia contributed for musb-core that aren't mainline | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but meego is never using anything not mainline, so also won't ever use h-e-n :-P | 20:44 |
| lardman | But like now, someone could maintain a patchset against the current Meego kernel | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | as h-e-n has zero chance to ever go upstream | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could, if somebody cared | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested in meego | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | paul isn't as well afaik | 20:45 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: we'll get you there in the end, I hope | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so odds are you rather see a h-e-n debian than a h-e-n meego maintained somewhere XD | 20:45 |
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| MohammadAG | stock player's shows Information not available | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | (media player) | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | I started mine, and it picked up song metadata right | 20:46 |
| Guest95451 | oh... | 20:46 |
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| lardman | I'd like to see an orderly move to Meego, assuming we have something usable | 20:46 |
| Guest95451 | FINALLY, i understand why "do you want to proceed? (y/n): y" "ok, arborting" happens | 20:46 |
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| Sc0rpius | Meego is dead | 20:47 |
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| Guest95451 | due to it promting for y/n, but it expects an answer in my own language >.> | 20:47 |
| Guest95451 | (apt, that is) | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:47 |
| Guest95451 | "j" worked | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, that's annoying tbh | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | pressing enter without a "y" works though | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | LANG=C apt-get install foo | 20:48 |
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| Guest95451 | MohammadAG: yeah | 20:48 |
| Guest95451 | but still annoying | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | it needs answer in local locale | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | but asks question in english | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiotic, a clear bug in apt-get or I18n | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka .po | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | god this fails, I restarted Nokia's player and it still says Information not available | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that'S because the string "commandment 1: I am your mediaplayer. You shalt not have other mediaplayers than me" is accidentally missing in Nokia mediaplayer | 20:51 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i don't think he believes in 12 commandments | 20:51 |
| jacekowski | or was it 10 | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | 13 | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, it's because Nokia's player heaviliy interacts with tracker | 20:52 |
| Sc0rpius | what religion has 13 commandments? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine :-P | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | pastafarianizm? | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | sm* | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | mine talks to mafw, which talks to tracker | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | and for metadata, I fetch it directly from the file with mafw | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | coooooool | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's almost there for working without friggin trackershit | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | so basically, the closed mediaplayer is made of shitty code | 20:53 |
| Sc0rpius | like all closed Nokia code | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | and open too | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | modest? :p | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | Modest is terribly shitty | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that disproves my assumption shitty code and embarrassment i smain reason for Nokia keeping things closed | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, mediaplayer source is useless as you can't compile it without the gfx-accel .h | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those never will go FOSS | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I dunno why | 20:56 |
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| MohammadAG | why is it using gfx-accel? | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | gstreamer should be accelerating directly | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | for video pla.... errrrrr | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rrrright | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | see metadata and tracker X-P | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | but isn't? | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 20:58 |
| xkr47 | hi | 20:59 |
| xkr47 | I was thinking of adding the output of "pactl list" from my n900 | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I still feel like it's unknown yet how to playback video with superimposed graphic widgets (rew, play/pause, fwd et al) on N900 screen, while routing plain video to AV-jack | 21:00 |
| xkr47 | pactl doesn't come with the default pulseaudio package, but I wanted the output so I compiled a binary myself and have it now | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | for both superimposing the widgets, and not doing that on AV | 21:01 |
| xkr47 | would somebody like to suggest some specific location in the wiki where this information would fit in=? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err pactl, seems I got that | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# pactl --version | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pactl 0.9.15 | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Compiled with libpulse 0.9.15 | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linked with libpulse 0.9.15 | 21:02 |
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| dominikb_ | is there a single dbus command for deactivating the wireless device? found one for cellular radio, but none for wireless so far. http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search pactl | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pulseaudio-utils - Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server | 21:03 |
| xkr47 | DocScrutinizer, aha ok thx | 21:03 |
| xkr47 | on the pc it's in the same package, so I just thought it was excluded | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | packaging on maemo is a bit different sometimes | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://i55.tinypic.com/ot0r5g.jpg | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | dominikb_: nah, afail it's more involved than simple dbus-send | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | btw, you probably noticed the zoom in, but it's still 800x480 | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | that's the zoom in feature in hildon-desktop in the next CSSU update | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL it still shows cover art XP | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but the whole playlist is "Information not available" | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | so is the label above the seekbar | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | zoom in HD, that's a nice feature | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | and there's a white line under the cover art | 21:07 |
| javispedro | hum... I never noticed there was a reflection in mediaplayer? | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, that's mine | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 21:07 |
| javispedro | then who's the "information not available" one? | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia's | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 21:07 |
| javispedro | :P | 21:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what it sounds like to have both playback same song. Do both sync??? :-o | 21:08 | |
| dominikb_ | DocScrutinizer: i found that savepress-script and to turn off WIFI they shut down the interface, unload the kernel module. and for restarting WIFI they have to do even more (http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16190&d=1291669973). just thought that there was an easier path to that ... | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, that's what I frequently hear devels talk about, for WLAN | 21:09 |
| javispedro | backend (MAFW) should sync them both | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mafw's the backend, they should co-exist fine since mafw's doing the actual playback | 21:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | is it possible to change the input box in xchat to as it looks on desktop, or is it changed at source level? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: javispedro: that's what I thought | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, source code | 21:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | aw, ok | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | change it from hildon_text_edit(?) to gtk_text_edit(?)* | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | then compile | 21:10 |
| dominikb_ | DocScrutinizer: is what happens when one changes to "flight" mode open, i.e. accessible as source code or is that in some closed software component? ;) | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 21:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | Well, if i had scratchbox set up :P | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | dominikb_: nfi | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess closed | 21:11 |
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| dominikb_ | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks! | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | dominikb_: it's a known issue WLAN kernel driver will eat batery until modprobe -r | 21:12 |
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| dominikb_ | DocScrutinizer: ok, so it's wise to unload the kernel driver. i'll do that then. | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think there's any subsystem that interfaces fro dbus to modprobe | 21:13 |
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| MohammadAG | btw, one question | 21:13 |
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| MohammadAG | how does one listen to dbus signals when the app's closed? | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if there's any then it's called ICD2 -> closed source | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | Like, how do I listen to the dbus signal that requests the now playing window | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus has some methods for so called proxies, and it can start up the original process when somebody talks to the proxy - is what I seem have heard sometime | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this won't work for signals, for obvious reasons - signals aren't associated to any target so target can't have a proxy | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | back | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need a daemon like dbus-scripting then | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still you got the problem of "target" missing the signal that caused the "target" startup | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so dbus-scripting saemon would have to resend this particular signal in a modified way only to the started process | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc what's a "now playing signal" | 21:20 |
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| javispedro | moo RST38h | 21:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: heya | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't this be a message rather than a signal? | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's a signal for the stock player to open the now playing window | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm, I don't want to know that | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | you can see it when you click the stock mediaplayer widget | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | random twitter to irc crossover | 21:27 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/43753764334735360 | 21:27 |
| * RST38h says hello | 21:28 | |
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| * SpeedEvil says fish. | 21:28 | |
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| lcuk | RST38h, \o | 21:29 |
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| * javispedro ponders when's stupid bill gates going to push w7 sp1 x64 to him. he's surely going to choose the busiest day ever instead of a light weekend. | 21:31 | |
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| RST38h | turn off automatic updates | 21:31 |
| javispedro | good point. | 21:32 |
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| javispedro | the ideapad spent more than four hours to install it. you've been warned. | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | Ideapad is feeble | 21:33 |
| Sc0rpius | javispedro, it has to be there already | 21:33 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean the SP1 patch | 21:33 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's not FORCED, but if you go to Windows Update without clicking anything you'll read "1 important update is available" | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | "Windows 7 Service Pack 1 for x64-based Systems" | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | it'll be forced in months | 21:34 |
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| * javispedro comes from that dialog, and he saw nothing save for the usual crap | 21:34 | |
| Sc0rpius | weird | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | all my computers have the update available. | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | but i haven't install it yet | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | installed | 21:34 |
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| nidO | sp1 is tiny anyway | 21:36 |
| javispedro | tiny!!! | 21:36 |
| nidO | if you've been installing all normal updates, sp1 is like a 15mb install | 21:36 |
| javispedro | hah! | 21:36 |
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| javispedro | more like 500... | 21:37 |
| nidO | well, it was a 15mb download and about a 30 second install on my desktop | 21:37 |
| javispedro | <javispedro> the ideapad spent more than four hours to install it | 21:38 |
| nidO | slightly smaller on my tablet, but a few mins to install | 21:38 |
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| ThreeM | hi there | 21:42 |
| ThreeM | is there any kind of application error log on the N900? | 21:43 |
| ThreeM | videorecording is broken and i want to check why :) | 21:44 |
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| jakemaheu | Afternoon, all. :3 | 21:44 |
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| jakemaheu | Is there any way to disable the magnetic sensor for the internal SD card on the N800? | 21:45 |
| jakemaheu | I seem to have... misplaced my battery cover. >_> | 21:46 |
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| jakemaheu | Anyone? | 21:49 |
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| MohammadAG | jakemaheu, never owned an N800, but a custom kernel should fix it | 21:53 |
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| * jakemaheu isn't a kernel hacker. :P | 21:55 | |
| MohammadAG | it's just a case of commenting out some lines | 21:56 |
| jakemaheu | Is fanoush still in the biz? | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | but I don't have an N800, so I'm basing this off what I know from the N900 | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG | think not :( | 21:56 |
| jakemaheu | :< he was the bomb with the 770 | 21:57 |
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| ThreeM | can i lunch camera in terminal to see the application errors? | 21:57 |
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| jakemaheu | should, i can launch mbarcode and it spits out debug mesages | 21:58 |
| jakemaheu | ymv, though | 21:58 |
| jakemaheu | *ymmv | 21:58 |
| ThreeM | the cam app only crash on taking videos | 21:58 |
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| ThreeM | taking pictures works | 21:58 |
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| jakemaheu | it's videocamera then? | 21:59 |
| jakemaheu | which device do you use? | 21:59 |
| ThreeM | n900 | 21:59 |
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| jakemaheu | Ahhh, not sure, then. | 22:00 |
| ThreeM | damn | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jakemaheu: use arbitrary other magnet :-D | 22:03 |
| jakemaheu | time to grab the source for the turbo-diablo kernel ;D | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ThreeM: overclocked? | 22:03 |
| ThreeM | it was, but now it runs with stock clock | 22:04 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/04/doj_investgates_mpeg_la_over_vp8_attack/ <- so I guess you need to be google to get anything like this going... | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | damage done by OC persistes | 22:04 |
| ThreeM | ahh but! | 22:04 |
| ThreeM | undervolted | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | irrelevant | 22:04 |
| ThreeM | anything else runs fine | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | except it might actually cause the errors whan undervolt in effect now | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ThreeM: doesn't matter | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are it's completely unrelated, but there's a non-zero chance OC fried the GFX core video cam part | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and undervolting doesn't help anything to make OC more safe | 22:06 |
| ThreeM | i have set up the clock about 50mhz higher to 650mhz, so i dont beleive that the error cause by oc | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that shouldn't cause a lot of damage in the short term | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I never heard 650 is a valid core clock freq | 22:07 |
| ThreeM | or it was 750, ok 100mhz higher | 22:07 |
| ThreeM | only way to verify it is to flash to stock again i think | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | changing software doesn't fix damaged hardware | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, so the idea to flash stock system without any additional apps is actually the only right thing to verify if it's hw related or not | 22:14 |
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| ThreeM | ok, good to have the option to backup | 22:15 |
| ThreeM | i give it a try | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there might be niche cases where a hw part is broken that only shows when running non-stock sw, but that's rare | 22:15 |
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| ThreeM | its the only function to be broken, then cpu damage i gues other things also have problems... but im not very similiar with ARM cpus | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | early stages of OC EM deterioration might show as failures occuring at OC frequencies that formerly ran without problems, for example | 22:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | Gotta love life's way of reminding you you're at its mercy... | 22:17 |
| crashanddie_ | What's that about the cobbler's son always being the one without shoes? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, EM will happen at one spot, one gate, one MMOSFET first | 22:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | I work in telco, and the DSL line at my flat is maxing out at an amazing... 1.3MBit/s | 22:17 |
| kerio | EPIC | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | Apparently, while they were wiring the connection yesterday, they thought it'd be a good idea to connect me to the MDF about 7km away... | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | Rather than the one less than 2km... | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | also EM is causing statistical effects first, like more and more 1+1=3 results, but not always | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | 7km is closer than 2km | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | duh | 22:20 |
| crashanddie_ | This being said... The modem is effing cool though... | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: usually they don't have a choice | 22:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | Remote control has motion sensor, even the modem has a tilt sensor so it can display the information based on if you hold it horizontally or vertically | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: There is only one wire | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Why? | 22:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: they have a choice, my neighbour is on the right MDF. | 22:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - it has a screen, I guerss | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? modem with autorotate? o.O | 22:21 |
| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: and the MDF I need to be on has exactly 1338 free lines | 22:21 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: yeah, lol | 22:22 |
| crashanddie_ | Modem has internal HD of 250Gb, available as NAS | 22:22 |
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| javispedro | surely it doesn't have gigabit ethernet =) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it rotates the bits 90degrees to align them correctly coming out of the port | 22:22 |
| * SpeedEvil is guessingthatis not Medium Density Fibreboard. | 22:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :-D | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Don't be so skeptical. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: There are actually wireless devices that do that. | 22:22 |
| rm_work | lol SpeedEvil, that's exactly what i thought... MDF... hrm | 22:22 |
| lcuk | instead of 0 and 1, it gives 0 and - | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Encode data in polarisation. | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, did you get KZ3? | 22:23 |
| crashanddie_ | rm_work & SpeedEvil: main distribution frame | 22:23 |
| lcuk | different issue SpeedEvil | 22:23 |
| crashanddie_ | KZ3? | 22:23 |
| crashanddie_ | King Zeus the 3rd? | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | Killzone 3 | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Is that like a DSLAM? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly | 22:24 |
| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: oh, DSLAM is international is it? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't know DSLAM is international | 22:24 |
| crashanddie_ | Everyone here in France keeps talking about "NRA" | 22:24 |
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| ThreeM | in german it clls DSLAM | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but they translate it to "DSL Anschalt Multiplexer" | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | while it actually is Access I guess | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | http://francois04.free.fr/liste_dslam.php?nra=KEN66 | 22:25 |
| lcuk | :D hurray for damn small linux | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | That's the one I want to be on | 22:25 |
| crashanddie_ | http://francois04.free.fr/liste_dslam.php | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | this is the one they put me on | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLAM | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway | 22:26 |
| javispedro | crashanddie_: last link was not valid | 22:26 |
| javispedro | (missing nra) | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | http://francois04.free.fr/liste_dslam.php?nra=ELN66 | 22:26 |
| crashanddie_ | the modem is damn cool though... the TV module has a bluray player? lol | 22:27 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoMnfda0dR0 | 22:28 |
| crashanddie_ | Bonus points if you notice they show "1337" as the time during the video | 22:29 |
| javispedro | see how most routers suck | 22:29 |
| crashanddie_ | and this is the TV interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoYq8lEXYg&feature=related | 22:30 |
| javispedro | they even put a dect base into that one and I'm sure it won't even get as hot as a stupid retail one | 22:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | web browser et all | 22:30 |
| crashanddie_ | with multi-tab browsing :D | 22:30 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway | 22:31 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm off for the night, need to meet some friends and stuff | 22:31 |
| crashanddie_ | take care people | 22:31 |
| javispedro | cya crashanddie_ | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | oh, javispedro here you see it on its "foot" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp5BO1opiBM&feature=related | 22:32 |
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| javispedro | and the accelerometer | 22:34 |
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| javispedro | that is one kickass router =) | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it actually works then yes | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fot is extreme nonsense however | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | foot | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's an accellerometer? | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a digital picture frame with a little rotaryswitch to do orientation | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | steelball switch | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm not amused by IP-TV and the fact they got immanent control about what and when you can and actually do watch | 22:47 |
| jakemaheu | they can't already do that? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | localized, even personalized news - not a nice future | 22:48 |
| kerio | what about the transcendent control? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jakemaheu: I don't think anybody can monitor what I am watching on my TV right now, without placing highly sophisticated spy equipment next corner | 22:49 |
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| jakemaheu | do you have a cable box for on-demand? | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTA braodcast by definition is one-to-many and anonymous | 22:50 |
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| jakemaheu | ahhh | 22:52 |
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| * nox- satellite dish, same | 22:58 | |
| nox- | and also, iptv `steals' adsl bandwidth when in use... | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | video-on-demand is basically BS. If I want to watch a movie, I'm free to download it from any commercial site, and for true television as it's meant to be, OTA or equivalent one-to-may technologies are the right choice, no need for one-to-one botch to emulate OTA | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/-may/-many/ | 23:07 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: video-on-demand is basically BS. If I want to watch a movie, I'm free to download it from any commercial site, and for true television as it's meant to be, OTA or equivalent one-to-many technologies are the right choice, no need for one-to-one botch to em... | 23:07 |
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| Spydemon | if somebody is able to read french, infos about N950 here : http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/62288-meego-nokia-n950-caracteristiques.htm | 23:18 |
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| niala1 | Spydemon: what do you want to know | 23:20 |
| kerio | 768mb ram | 23:20 |
| kerio | 1.2ghz cpu | 23:20 |
| kerio | 16gb or 32gb | 23:20 |
| kerio | 4 row keyboard | 23:20 |
| kerio | 4g? wtf | 23:20 |
| kerio | looks thin <3 | 23:21 |
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| niala1 | screen 4 fingers | 23:23 |
| niala1 | no date | 23:24 |
| niala1 | 4g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G | 23:25 |
| kerio | i know | 23:25 |
| kerio | what kind of 4g? | 23:25 |
| niala1 | not specified | 23:26 |
| kerio | i know that too :) | 23:26 |
| Spydemon | if he will look like photos, i find N900 cuter :P | 23:26 |
| niala1 | but he say source= different sources not specified. | 23:28 |
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| niala1 | The N950 was presented by Rich Green, CTO of Nokia, during a conference dedicated to developers | 23:29 |
| niala1 | on website. not me :) | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought it was simply mentioned in a presentation. | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is this more thanthat. | 23:29 |
| kerio | specs and shit, yo | 23:30 |
| niala1 | i think google can tell you more | 23:30 |
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| nox- | o_O 3d even... | 23:30 |
| niala1 | i think webmaster just search on google | 23:31 |
| nox- | hm | 23:32 |
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| niala1 | no hdmi... | 23:34 |
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| ThreeM | re | 23:38 |
| ThreeM | ok guys, hardware issnt broken | 23:38 |
| ThreeM | after reflash to stock PR1.3 videorecording works again | 23:39 |
| ThreeM | DocScrutinizer , you made me frighten :) | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | good :-D | 23:40 |
| ThreeM | but why it fails before? i have no idea how to check it :) | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be fcam kernel drivers or whatever | 23:42 |
| ThreeM | i had remove the fcam driver, but it dont fix the problem | 23:43 |
| ThreeM | but anyway, i dont mess up the device :) i will never overclock again :) | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so N950 "official" news, and first website that has it is a french one ? o.O | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I simply have no trust in french websites | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't worry - I don't trust chinese websites either XD | 23:45 |
| ThreeM | hehe | 23:46 |
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| ThreeM | link? | 23:46 |
| ThreeM | i will verified it for you ;) | 23:47 |
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| ThreeM | oh dear my english today is the best :( | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mini-USB MUHAHAHAHA french | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see scrollback | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (for link) | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | l'ecran tactile capacitive - MEH piss off | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just another case of "wait iPhone, *I* can do that" - instead of Nokia doing something *smart* and adopting these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc cute Stantum MT | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | see which direction meego is heading. a metoo-iPhone-clone, useless for true tablet use | 23:58 |
| Treibholz | CalDAV is so weird... | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what Nokia thinks is best way to "differentiate" | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 23:59 |
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