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| javispedro | RST38h: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10938917@N00/5451361389/ the slide that shows the inspiration for WP7's UI =) | 00:02 |
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| mece | http://nokiaplans.com/ | 00:02 |
| kerio | javispedro: well it shows perfectly the fact that it's a giant clusterfuck | 00:04 |
| lcuk | javispedro, that looks like very very early stage liqbase than WP7 :P | 00:04 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yeah, that tiles concept.. | 00:04 |
| javispedro | they should have put liqbase in that slide too ;) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | nahh I bet my handwriting wasn't neat enough | 00:06 |
| lcuk | it is now ;) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110214_135930.liqpostcard.scr.png | 00:06 |
| timeless | http://nokiaplan0.com/ <- is better | 00:06 |
| javispedro | which one is the genius and which one's the insane again? | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, hehe, see the next slide with all the text | 00:08 |
| lcuk | then compare: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png | 00:08 |
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| javispedro | it's about typography! | 00:08 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: did you make a font with your handwriting? :) | 00:09 |
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| javispedro | you could sell it :) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | javispedro, no, I made the UI use anybodies handwriting | 00:09 |
| lcuk | javispedro, I actually did it in 2008 :) | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | the hand written gpl is awesome | 00:10 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081124_225643.gary.scr.png | 00:10 |
| lcuk | (before I learnt how to write neatly :) ) | 00:11 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:11 |
| lcuk | that was about a week before I started work on turning liqbase into a library | 00:11 |
| lcuk | was practically the last thing I tried in classic liqbase :) | 00:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | time to reboot | 00:14 |
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| Gh0sty | ah yes a question I always forget when I am here ... :p | 00:14 |
| Gh0sty | does N900 and the current firmware support ipv6 ? :/ | 00:14 |
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| * timeless is having trouble installing The One Ring | 00:21 | |
| timeless | can anyone help me? | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Onion? | 00:23 |
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| Gh0sty | he wants to rule us all ... dont help him! :p | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | //ns rename timeless brain | 00:25 |
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| * trumee ssu channel seems to be dead. | 00:25 | |
| timeless | hrm, so Vuze is downloading a JRE | 00:25 |
| * timeless wonders which JRE it grabbed | 00:25 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Jaffa is asleep | 00:26 | |
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| Sc0rpius | nick:password as server password worked | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 00:27 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 00:28 |
| * Gh0sty still wondering where alarmed actually saves its stuff ... :/ | 00:28 | |
| Sc0rpius | that's nicer than /ns identify | 00:28 |
| Gh0sty | since it updated it only works half :p | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus you get cloaked prior to autojoining channels, as a bonus | 00:28 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah though I don't have a cloak | 00:28 |
| Gh0sty | it kills my sound in the evening but does not put it back to general ... :/ | 00:28 |
| timeless | Sc0rpius: cloaks are cheap | 00:28 |
| Sc0rpius | how much | 00:29 |
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| timeless | wow, vuze grabbed j6u23 | 00:29 |
| * timeless is impressed | 00:29 | |
| Sc0rpius | brb | 00:29 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Nearly | 00:29 |
| timeless | so... the one ring... anyone? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | .config/alarmed/jobs | 00:30 |
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| Gh0sty | hm nicu DocScrutinizer | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: ^^^ you might want to rm .config/alarmed/jobs/* | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicu? | 00:31 |
| Gh0sty | nice* | 00:31 |
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| Gh0sty | I was looking for something like .alarmed :P | 00:32 |
| Gh0sty | who had figured it has a .config in front of it ... :) | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I hate it | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hate the other crap in there even more, thanks Qt | 00:32 |
| Gh0sty | yes indeed I want to delete it and reconfigure it again in the gui ... | 00:32 |
| Gh0sty | since now I have no clue what it does exactly | 00:33 |
| Gh0sty | think some jobs got deleted | 00:33 |
| Gh0sty | and some are still there, but after a full device reflash it recovered the jobs but there is nothing in the gui :p | 00:33 |
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| * DrGrov is missing his N900 | 00:35 | |
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| Arkenoi | quite strange, i've got email with vcal invitation, and modest does not show it at all. no attachment, no indication there is something besides text. that sucks! | 00:36 |
| Gh0sty | DrGrov: broken? | 00:36 |
| Gh0sty | or you learned it how to swim? :p | 00:36 |
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| DrGrov | Gh0sty: No, I sold it for my cousin. I got myself a N8 instead but got tired of Nokia and how they do business and got myself the HTC Desire HD on Monday this week. | 00:37 |
| DrGrov | I know, I am a phone whore ;-) | 00:37 |
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| andre__ | Arkenoi: meeting invitations is implemented in PR1.2 for ActiveSync (MfE) according to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9296#c9 - no idea about non-MfE though | 00:39 |
| povbot | Bug 9296: Exchange event invitations scheduled without a prompt | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: ping Shapeshifter | 00:40 |
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| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: did a couple of days ago | 00:43 |
| Gh0sty | but I think hes from a very different timezone | 00:43 |
| Gh0sty | he responded at 3am or something :p | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen Shapeshifter | 00:43 |
| infobot | shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (18h 42m 51s) #meego (18h 42m 51s). Has said a total of 76 messages. Is idling for 12h 20m 28s, last said: 'is that a service pack to Red Hat 98plus! ?'. | 00:43 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | between 10 and 12 :) | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | lets see tomorrow then :P | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG | I started working on a Bluetooth Messenger for the school project | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | "beta" seems to be working fine | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's a BT messanger? | 00:52 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: hold on, what? | 00:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Bluetooth | 00:52 |
| kerio | don't you handle the CSSU and a shitton more maemo projects? | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | works between the N900 and Ubuntu | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, blame my school | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's a school project | 00:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer pondered a BT/wifi p2p web, for states with lots of people crowding up but GSM switched off by authorities | 00:53 | |
| MohammadAG | wifi rapes battery (ad-hoc at least) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not BT though | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | BT's ideal | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | and with Qt Mobility, it's cross platform | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | in Tokio and UAE they date in bus via BT | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not extend it to form a network nobody can tear down | 00:54 |
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| MohammadAG | i need to implement stuff password protection on rooms though | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (C) jr | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | well, simple answer | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | I need a shitload of N900s to test | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd take pride in all those dictators hating me for the idea :-D | 00:55 |
| Gh0sty | 00:02 < DocScrutinizer> in Tokio and UAE they date in bus via BT | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Mobility works better on the N900 than on Ubuntu (weird, eh?) | 00:55 |
| Gh0sty | I should visit tokio! :P | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | in america they date via chatroulette | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | get back to $yourLocation | 00:56 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMy_w5HsfdI | 00:58 |
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| deno | hi there | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi | 01:22 |
| deno | I have compiled my modified kernel with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -sa | 01:23 |
| deno | do you know if now I need to set the n900 in flash mode? | 01:23 |
| deno | or have I just to use dpkg -i with those .deb files | 01:23 |
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| trumee | deno, you will have to flash your kernel as well | 01:25 |
| deno | trumee, uhm is not enough: | 01:25 |
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| deno | dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb | 01:25 |
| deno | dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb | 01:25 |
| deno | dpkg -i kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb | 01:25 |
| deno | dpkg -i kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb | 01:25 |
| deno | ? | 01:25 |
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| trumee | deno, no idea. sorry | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 01:26 |
| deno | k thx anyway | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | only the first 3 | 01:26 |
| deno | why not the last? | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | the -flasher package flashes the kernel, you just have to reboot | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc you need modules, kernel, flasher, in this sequence | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | -bootimg is for multiboot, you don't need it | 01:27 |
| deno | ah ok | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, listen to MohammadAG | 01:27 |
| deno | the order is ok? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | he knows his stuff | 01:27 |
| deno | kk | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | kernel + modules can be done in one step | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then flasher | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | flasher in a separate one (it predepends on the other 2) | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | yep, you know your stuff to apparently :P | 01:28 |
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| MohammadAG | tbh, i just dpkg -i * | 01:28 |
| deno | uhm | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | it fails the first time obviously, but when I run it again, it works :P | 01:28 |
| deno | ok makes sense :) | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | i'm just lazy :P | 01:29 |
| deno | :D | 01:29 |
| deno | thank you :) | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | yw | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | I should go to bed :/ | 01:29 |
| deno | me too :D | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | time for lunch | 01:30 |
| deno | o.O | 01:30 |
| deno | where are you DocScrutinizer ? | 01:30 |
| deno | USA? | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | Germany lol | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sol3 | 01:30 |
| deno | lol | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | commonly called 'earth' | 01:31 |
| deno | even in germany is not time for lunch | 01:31 |
| deno | :D | 01:31 |
| deno | Ah MohammadAG one last thing | 01:31 |
| deno | should I put the nokia in flashmode or not? | 01:31 |
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| deno | during the installation of these packages | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | -flasher does everything | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just reboot | 01:32 |
| deno | ah ok cool | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after install | 01:32 |
| deno | ok | 01:32 |
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| deno | it's a bit big the kernel maybe I have to copy it in /opt | 01:33 |
| deno | ok | 01:33 |
| deno | thank you again :) | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | it's flashed to /dev/mtd2 at installation | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | don't copy it anywhere, it's deleted after flashing ends | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can place the .deb anywgere | 01:34 |
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| deno | have a good uhm | 01:34 |
| deno | lol I was saying you by | 01:34 |
| deno | bye | 01:34 |
| deno | uhm | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | yes, .deb doesn't matter | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | .fiasco does | 01:34 |
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| deno | One time I tried to install the packages from the 32GB memory but it was not possible | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | it has to stay in /boot till flashed | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | deno, nope, should work fine | 01:35 |
| deno | MohammadAG, maybe was just that time.. very strange | 01:35 |
| deno | k | 01:35 |
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| deno | see you | 01:35 |
| deno | have a good night | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | can someone tranquilize me? I really need to sleep | 01:35 |
| deno | tranquillize you for what? | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | night :P | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm on IRC | 01:36 |
| deno | k | 01:36 |
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| deno | go to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppp | 01:36 |
| deno | :P | 01:36 |
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| deno | ah right | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | better? :-P | 01:37 |
| deno | if is possible to install packages from | 01:37 |
| deno | the MMC | 01:38 |
| deno | so it's possible also to mount root on it, isn't it? | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a bit more complicated | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego is doing that | 01:39 |
| deno | uhm | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they need uBoot bootloader for it | 01:40 |
| deno | why so complicated? | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because NOLO bootloader will not mount and boot rootfs on MMC | 01:40 |
| deno | ok | 01:41 |
| xnt14 | DocScrutinizer: Mohammad told me to tell you to unquiet him. (after he's gone) ;) | 01:41 |
| deno | no way | 01:41 |
| deno | thank you again | 01:41 |
| deno | see you | 01:41 |
| deno | have a good night! | 01:41 |
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| Arkenoi | andre: it is non-mfe, just vcal file attached. | 02:06 |
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| Gh0sty | omg wtf? | 02:07 |
| sevard | bbq? | 02:08 |
| Gh0sty | its logging all this stuff into irclogs/freenode/*/ | 02:08 |
| Gh0sty | why the heck does it use /*/ | 02:08 |
| Gh0sty | I feel there is a ghost in the system! | 02:08 |
| sevard | big brother is * | 02:08 |
| Gh0sty | was wondering why it did not go to freenode/##overflow or freenode/#maemo | 02:09 |
| Gh0sty | don understand :/ | 02:09 |
| sevard | ever eat spicey peppers and later have spicey poops? | 02:09 |
| sevard | my friends don't understand what spicey poops are | 02:10 |
| sevard | how can some people not have spicey poops? | 02:10 |
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| Gh0sty | test | 02:12 |
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| sevard | iciles | 02:13 |
| Gh0sty | strange | 02:13 |
| Gh0sty | very strange | 02:13 |
| Gh0sty | just reconnected and now it runs fine | 02:13 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: the song 'Bette Davis Eyes' classic synth sound is the Sequential Circuits Prophet-5 (1977) | 02:20 |
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| n900evil | when did speedevil ping out? | 02:58 |
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| n900evil | Odd. laptop 'locked up', no ssh, display won't wake up - no keyb activity, yet flash videos audio is still going. | 02:59 |
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| DrGrov | N900ev1l: Are you using Firefox? | 03:23 |
| N900ev1l | As it happens, yes. | 03:23 |
| DrGrov | N900ev1l: Linux I presume? | 03:24 |
| N900ev1l | I've noticed video is a lot less smooth in some flash visdeo streams. | 03:24 |
| N900ev1l | yes. | 03:24 |
| BCMM | fcam needs a bit more documentation... | 03:24 |
| DrGrov | I have had that exact same issue from time to time. Not too much but a few times over the past 6 months or so. | 03:24 |
| DrGrov | So then I suggest for you to drop to terminal 1. Should be Ctrl+Alt+F1 | 03:25 |
| BCMM | also, Example 1, "A program that takes a single shot", quite evidently takes three shots | 03:25 |
| DrGrov | Then do a "killall -9 firefox-bin" | 03:25 |
| N900ev1l | DrGrov: nope | 03:25 |
| DrGrov | N900ev1l: Which Linux are you using? | 03:25 |
| N900ev1l | DrGrov: no keyboard was working, including magic-sysrq | 03:25 |
| N900ev1l | slackware. | 03:25 |
| DrGrov | Ah, then that is an another story. I have had it with a keyboard still working luckily. | 03:26 |
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| N900ev1l | Maybe a thermal issue. | 03:26 |
| DrGrov | N900ev1l: Could definitely be so. I have had some issues as well, not sure if thermal issues but still that exact same thing. | 03:26 |
| DrGrov | Except the keyboard was still working | 03:26 |
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| skrullis | hello, do I need unpartitioned disk space on the eMMC on my n900 for it to work properly? | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900ev1l: flash is running and occupying CPU, the kbd events don't get processed in due time. If you're unlucky to issue some kbd event that's not directly switching to another task (i.e. esp ctrl-alt-F1), then this event sits like a cork on top of kbd fifo, and later ctrl-alt-F1 won't show any effect | 03:59 |
| N900ev1l | 2hich doesn't explain magic sysrq not working. | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if there's some spinlock or flow-control in kernel even blocking the low level kbd drivers | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | depending on what flash is using in gfx-accel, this might well explain it | 04:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Still awake coding all the time? :) | 04:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I love the passion you have :) | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like sitting in my own virtual prison, hoping for time to pass by and things to change | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you don't really need nor want to understand this | 04:04 |
| pupnik | flash is disgusting | 04:07 |
| pupnik | DrGrov: didn't I tell you to go away? | 04:08 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: Huh? I can not even make questions anymore? | 04:08 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I see. I just thought that what drives you. | 04:09 |
| pupnik | i just think you should take your trolling elsewhere | 04:09 |
| pupnik | good bye | 04:09 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: I am not trying to insult anyone. I am merely trying to understand. | 04:10 |
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| pupnik | http://www.fsf.org/working-together/quizzes/support [ Do you support software freedom? ] | 04:11 |
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| pupnik | the question answers itself | 04:12 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: I really don't understand what is your problem. I can not even ask a simple question and perhaps wonder? | 04:15 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: But nevermind, seems like you are in a unfriendly mood tonight. | 04:15 |
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| internetishard | What's the best way you can think of to play all of your music remotely (select it on the n900 and the linux box plays it...)? | 04:20 |
| sevard | i don't have a n900 but i'd look into MPD | 04:21 |
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| internetishard | hmm, I forgot MPD had remote capabilities | 04:22 |
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| sevard | Does anyone know how to disable this annoying red led when the video camera is active on the n810? | 04:22 |
| sevard | there's a big thread on how to do it for the n900 but nothing for the n810 | 04:22 |
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| jonwil | How can I find out which dbus interfaces are registered/exported by a particular app? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sevard: /etc/mce/mce.ini (if the path hasn't changed) | 04:31 |
| sevard | DocScrutinizer: I tried that, I put a # infront of all of the PatternWebcamActive lines | 04:32 |
| sevard | the only line I didn't comment out was LEDPatterns=Patten1blah;Pattern2blah | 04:33 |
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| sevard | do I need to restart a process that reads mce.ini ? | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 04:34 |
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| sevard | mmcqd ? | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reboot :) | 04:39 |
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| franz_ | you can | 04:39 |
| franz_ | initctl stop mce | 04:39 |
| franz_ | initctl start mce | 04:39 |
| franz_ | that reloads the mce.ini config | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | on fremantle yes | 04:45 |
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| sevard | Hm | 04:56 |
| sevard | well a reboot worked :) | 04:56 |
| sevard | Does anyone have sshfs for n810? these links are dead ;/ | 04:56 |
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| pupnik | sevard: tried gronmayer? | 05:05 |
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| jonwil | bah, I wish I could find out what dbus interfaces telepathy-ring was exporting | 05:07 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, doesn't matter, I found out what I wanted to know | 05:10 |
| sevard | groanmayer? | 05:10 |
| sevard | found them here | 05:10 |
| sevard | http://nakkiboso.com/maemofuse/ | 05:10 |
| sevard | what's groanmayer? | 05:10 |
| jonwil | Its clear that Maemo will NEVER be able to use ofono in place of the closed telephony stack | 05:10 |
| jonwil | so ofono is not the answer for cell broadcast | 05:11 |
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| pupnik | jonwil: why not? | 05:19 |
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| jonwil | there are too many closed components that talk to the current telephony stack (even for just calls and SMS which are the bits we would want to replace with ofono) | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's exactly the problem. you can't replace one closed blob, they seem to be all connected to all, in several undocumented ways | 05:23 |
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| jonwil | other than telepathy-ring (which would need to be replaced), the things using the call interface are bluetoothd, intellisyncd, libcodelockui.so, libconnui_cell.so, libicd_network_gprs.so, librtcom-call-ui.so, librtcom-notification-ui.so, sscd, module-nokia-voice.so, libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so and libsystemuiplugin_emergency.so. SMS is being used by sms-manager, libcpcherry.so and cherry. | 05:27 |
| compengi | hello, do you know any good lockscreen widgets? | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nuke the cherry bullshit! | 05:32 |
| jonwil | We cant nuke nodule-nokia-voice.so or libtrcom-call-ui.so | 05:33 |
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| compengi | oh wow | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cherry, justcherry | 05:36 |
| compengi | i didn't know that pressing the power button twice will create a slide mode screen unlock | 05:37 |
| jonwil | what would need to be done is: 1.Identify any interfaces exposed by maemo telepathy-ring that are not exported by meego telepathy-ring. | 05:38 |
| jonwil | 2.Identify which blobs use those interfaces. | 05:38 |
| jonwil | 3.If those blobs cant be removed or replaced, modify telepathy-ring to expose those interfaces. (with required changes to ofono to support that) | 05:38 |
| jonwil | 4.identify the call and SMS interfaces used by the other binary blobs | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends, once again on /etc/mce/mce.ini | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (slidelock) | 05:39 |
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| jonwil | 5.If those blobs cant be removed or replaced, implement the needed call and SMS interfaces somehow | 05:39 |
| jonwil | 6.Once thats covered, you would be able to replace csd-sms and csd-call with a build of ofono built to just do SMS and calls | 05:39 |
| jonwil | but yeah its a fair whack of work to pull that off | 05:40 |
| sevard | on my n810 how can I run a command as root on boot? | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | And more importantly, until it's 'done' - it doesn't work at all | 05:43 |
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| jonwil | It would be easier to just reverse engineer and 1:1 clone libsms, libcsd-sms, libcscall and libcsd-call | 05:52 |
| jonwil | and then modify those | 05:52 |
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| sevard | so there's /etc/inittab which sets a default run level of 2 | 05:53 |
| sevard | then there's /etc/rc2.d/ | 05:53 |
| sevard | which holds a bunch of the same scripts, but they're named S[num][name] | 05:53 |
| sevard | is this where i can put some commands to run at boot? | 05:53 |
| sevard | how can i ensure that the wireless comes up before my command runs? | 05:54 |
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| sevard | woot. | 06:13 |
| sevard | found it | 06:13 |
| sevard | /etc/network/if-up.d | 06:13 |
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| Sc0rpius | sevard you should use event.d | 06:56 |
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| slonopotamus | mooooorning | 07:21 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: so, what about perl 5.8.4 in scratchbox? :) | 07:22 |
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| Sc0rpius | well I actually had to modify some things | 07:29 |
| Sc0rpius | SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl:/usr/bin/dh_clean | 07:30 |
| Sc0rpius | debhelper tools are also wrapped | 07:30 |
| Sc0rpius | and scratchbox, at least mine, uses 5, and libperl-dbi needs 7 | 07:30 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 07:30 |
| Sc0rpius | it compiles, but some tests fails, because threads in 5.8.3 are weird | 07:31 |
| Sc0rpius | so it doesn't build the package, since some tests fails | 07:31 |
| slonopotamus | is it possible to ignore /usr/bin/* ? | 07:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | not needed, with those two is more than enough | 07:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | the problem is multithreaded perl 5.8.3 | 07:32 |
| Sc0rpius | at least for me | 07:32 |
| slonopotamus | no wait. | 07:32 |
| slonopotamus | i built it on builder. | 07:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I know there's a way to disable multithreaded functionality | 07:32 |
| Sc0rpius | it builds in 5.8.4, but it will never work in a N900 | 07:33 |
| Sc0rpius | only in scratchbox x86 | 07:33 |
| slonopotamus | i see | 07:33 |
| slonopotamus | so, how did you prevent 5.8.4? | 07:33 |
| Sc0rpius | well I guess you can update your perl in your N900 to 5.8.4 | 07:33 |
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| Sc0rpius | my /usr/bin/perl is 5.8.3, with the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE takes that one | 07:34 |
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| slonopotamus | well, without ignore, i was getting x86 perl | 07:35 |
| Sc0rpius | without ignore you take the host perl | 07:36 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 07:36 |
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| slonopotamus | one from /scratchbox | 07:36 |
| slonopotamus | and what version is /usr/bin/perl? | 07:37 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway you'll always get an x86 perl since you can't run ARM executables in builder, but it creates ARM things when it's supposed to | 07:37 |
| slonopotamus | i can't? oh really? | 07:37 |
| Sc0rpius | builder doesn't run QEMU to build | 07:37 |
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| Sc0rpius | my /usr/bin/perl is 5.8.3 | 07:37 |
| Sc0rpius | that's not a problem though (running perl in x86) | 07:38 |
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| Sc0rpius | *** You are using a perl configured with threading enabled. | 07:38 |
| Sc0rpius | that's my current problem | 07:38 |
| Sc0rpius | t/35thrclone..............FAILED tests 12-44 | 07:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | a dirty way is to modify those tests and skip them | 07:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | but the professional way should be disabling multithreading in perl | 07:40 |
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| Sc0rpius | actually the source says: | 07:42 |
| Sc0rpius | # skip seems broken with threads (5.8.3) | 07:42 |
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| Sc0rpius | let's see if skipping that one works | 07:43 |
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| slonopotamus | all tests are ok when building on n900. i still thing builder environment is screwed up. is it possible to build deb locally and upload it to builder? | 07:52 |
| Sc0rpius | no | 07:53 |
| Sc0rpius | that's not possible | 07:53 |
| Sc0rpius | builder has to build it | 07:53 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't really think /usr/bin/perl on builder is 5.8.4. No way | 07:53 |
| Sc0rpius | but I did something different, because bad experience using bash: | 07:53 |
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| Sc0rpius | http://pastie.org/1573448 | 07:54 |
| Sc0rpius | export VARIABLE=thing inside a script never works for me | 07:55 |
| Sc0rpius | VARIABLE=thing; export VARIABLE inside a script is what always worked for me | 07:55 |
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| Sc0rpius | in the CLI, doesn't matter. | 07:55 |
| slonopotamus | so... that changes anything? | 07:55 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway it died with a NullP and created a core file heh | 07:56 |
| Sc0rpius | -rw-r--r-- 1 naikel naikel 5795840 Feb 16 21:46 qemu_perl_20110216-214631_7407.core | 07:56 |
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| Sc0rpius | let's see without the ignore | 07:57 |
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| slonopotamus | you know what? | 08:06 |
| slonopotamus | i think that i built it correctly | 08:06 |
| slonopotamus | except one minor thing, deb dependency | 08:06 |
| Sc0rpius | well I can't compile it because that debhelper >= 7 is giving me SERIOUS problems | 08:06 |
| slonopotamus | it is done with dh_perl and what it does is parses output of dpkg -s perl | 08:07 |
| Sc0rpius | if it depends in some perl module 5.8.4 then it's not building correctly | 08:07 |
| slonopotamus | i don't think it does | 08:07 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: what version do you get for "dpkg -s perl | grep Version" | 08:08 |
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| Sc0rpius | Version: 5.8.3-3osso11+0m5 | 08:09 |
| Sc0rpius | and I should have osso13+0m5 but I'm lazy to upgrade | 08:09 |
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| slonopotamus | i also have osso11 on n900, so let's pretend that osso13 doesn't exist :) | 08:10 |
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| slonopotamus | meeeh... where it gets 5.8.4 then? | 08:12 |
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| Sc0rpius | I know it sounds dumb but you should try the assign and export in different lines | 08:13 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: according to https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libdbi-perl_1.605-1maemo1/armel.build.log.OK.txt it really used /usr/bin/perl | 08:15 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libdbi-perl_1.605-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt that's how it behaved with no ignore/path | 08:15 |
| Sc0rpius | oh it doesn't matter, if you don't set the SBOX ignore /usr/bin/perl is still mapped | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | well, that build was much slower | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | i mean, the one with ignore | 08:17 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: what "which dh_perl" gives you in scratchbox? | 08:18 |
| Sc0rpius | /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_perl | 08:19 |
| Sc0rpius | and that's a problem for me since the debhelper is 5 | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | and do you have /usr/bin/dh_perl ? | 08:21 |
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| Sc0rpius | yeah | 08:22 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: could you please pastebin contents of /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_perl ? | 08:22 |
| Sc0rpius | I can use it if I ignore it too | 08:22 |
| * slonopotamus tried ignoring /usr/bin/dh_perl | 08:22 | |
| slonopotamus | *tries | 08:22 |
| Sc0rpius | http://pastie.org/1573509 | 08:23 |
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| slonopotamus | and that thingie somehow results in 5.8.4... | 08:25 |
| Sc0rpius | dh_perl: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. | 08:25 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm still getting that | 08:25 |
| Sc0rpius | and I have debhelper 7 | 08:25 |
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| slonopotamus | weird :) | 08:26 |
| Sc0rpius | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl:/usr/bin/dh_perl:/usr/bin/dh | 08:26 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see | 08:26 |
| Sc0rpius | ok now that tries to build the package | 08:27 |
| * slonopotamus really wants export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=damnit_everything | 08:28 | |
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| Sc0rpius | well everything will fail on me until I ignore every /usr/bin/dh_* | 08:29 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a way to do that | 08:29 |
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| Sc0rpius | unset SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS | 08:29 |
| Sc0rpius | done | 08:29 |
| Sc0rpius | now let's see | 08:29 |
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| Sc0rpius | heh | 08:30 |
| Sc0rpius | now it's a mess :) | 08:30 |
| Sc0rpius | well I give up and it's 2 am actually | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | hehe :) | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | g'night | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | http://mat.exon.name/logs/maemo nice reading :) | 08:31 |
| Sc0rpius | nite | 08:31 |
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| slonopotamus | is it possible to disabe "scratchbox-provided dependencies"? | 08:52 |
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| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: craaaap. i found where 5.8.4 comes from. that dh_perl that you pasted. look at first line. | 08:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: and dh_perl substitutes perl version that it runs with | 08:58 |
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| jonwil | Time to continue reverse engineering libsms | 09:10 |
| jonwil | I suspect that unless Nokia decides to open libsms, the easiest way to solve the cbsms problem is to simply make a 1:1 clone of libsms myself and fix the bug that way (shipping the new libsms through whatever mechanism we are using to update system packages without causing issues) | 09:12 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/17/eben_moglen_freedom_box/ | 09:18 |
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| krayon | jonwil: God the bug tracker gets me down... same responses every time it seems. Are you doing this for 8347 or for apps to send sms'? | 09:19 |
| jonwil | Its for cell broadcast | 09:19 |
| jonwil | Its also for the feature someone wanted to be able to block incoming SMSs before the UI layer even sees them | 09:20 |
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| jonwil | If apps wanted to send SMSs they would need to talk via the appropriate libraries | 09:21 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/17/full_duplex_radio_signals/ | 09:21 |
| krayon | *sigh* I bought the N900 thinking it'd at least be as "open" as the Palm. It was pretty good at providing interfaces to "do" things (such as hooking lower level stuff etc) | 09:22 |
| krayon | It would seem you can't have everything :/ | 09:22 |
| jonwil | The basic problem is that the connectivity middleware is all tied together and its difficult to open one piece without pulling in dependancies on a bunch of other things | 09:23 |
| jonwil | Nokia decided that replacing it with ofono as part of the MeeGo work was a better idea | 09:23 |
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| jonwil | unfortunatly libsms is a complicated library and I dont have the skills to clone it (or csd-sms) | 09:39 |
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| ruskie | jonwil, iirc someone got ofono running on the N900 | 09:45 |
| jonwil | Its possible if you throw away the dialer, messaging app and a bunch more | 09:45 |
| ruskie | so maybe work on getting that integrated with the current set instead of trying to decypher the stuff | 09:45 |
| ruskie | well you can replace the dialer | 09:45 |
| jonwil | yeah true | 09:45 |
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| ruskie | the messaging app you just need a new frontend(the backend is telepathy and iirc open)... | 09:45 |
| ruskie | it would require a rethink and rework(or borrowing from MeeGo)... | 09:46 |
| ruskie | but it's probably easier than reverse engineering all the closed stuff... | 09:46 |
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| jonwil | In any case I doubt every feature worked properly given all the dependancies on the telephony stack from things like intellisyncd, module-nokia-voice.so, libicd_network_gprs.so, libconnui_cell.so and others | 09:47 |
| jonwil | it may " | 09:48 |
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| jonwil | may "work" in the sense that you can make calls | 09:48 |
| jonwil | but so many of the little things will break that its not a viable option | 09:49 |
| ruskie | frankly I'd be happy with MeeGo if the handset UX would be like maemo5 or even the older m4 UX... | 09:49 |
| jonwil | meego isn't an option for most people simply because there are many many features maemo has the meego does not | 09:50 |
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| ruskie | jonwil, hmmm like? | 09:51 |
| jonwil | well there is no support for SIM PIN in meego yet. | 09:52 |
| jonwil | No GPS. | 09:52 |
| ruskie | ok... I'd be happy with a completly disable no-power use GPS anyway | 09:52 |
| ruskie | the SIM PIN stuff... ugh... | 09:52 |
| ruskie | annoying | 09:52 |
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| jarkkom_ | how are rest of the apps, like email, browser etc | 09:52 |
| jonwil | there are just too many holes to make meego-on-n900 any good | 09:52 |
| jonwil | at least from what I have read | 09:52 |
| ruskie | hell I'd like proper user support i.e. login+pw... | 09:53 |
| jarkkom_ | I haven't tested meego since 1.1 as it was unusable as sdhc install | 09:53 |
| jonwil | you would need to talk to the gurus in meego-arm for the minute details of whats missing | 09:53 |
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| jonwil | but its just not an option for most N900 users | 09:53 |
| ruskie | hmm meego worked on the sdhc fine for me... | 09:53 |
| ruskie | after a reboot | 09:53 |
| jonwil | and neither is replacing the telephony stack with ofono | 09:54 |
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| jarkkom_ | ruskie, yeah it took like 30-60 seconds to start an app when run from class 4 SD | 09:54 |
| jonwil | our only hope is that nokia can release some code and headers or that someone can reverse engineer things | 09:54 |
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| ruskie | hmm I think I had a class 6 | 09:54 |
| jonwil | and solve the issues in the telephony stack | 09:54 |
| ruskie | so was actually running... | 09:54 |
| ruskie | but still way to broken | 09:54 |
| ruskie | jonwil, well it would be nice... | 09:55 |
| ruskie | but I doubt it will ever happen | 09:55 |
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| ruskie | would be helpful if they release the code to the council with an NDA and the council then extends that NDA to devs that want to fix it... | 09:55 |
| ruskie | or any such way... | 09:55 |
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| jonwil | well one suggestion was to have someone who works with nokia, has access to code to review in preparation for a release and can also fix bugs in code that Nokia is unwilling to release (e.g. 3rd party IP, legal reasons, not wanting to share sensitive algorithms) | 09:57 |
| jonwil | I cant remember details but I think someone put their hand up | 09:57 |
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| jarkkom_ | I doubt it gets done, it seems anyone who could make decision like that at Nokia and had active interest in open source is gone or leaving soon | 10:01 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! Can someone please point me to the correct thread regarding the issue wherein SMS conversations are not saved to el-v1.db. | 10:09 |
| ruskie | erm... use the search thingy? | 10:10 |
| ruskie | on tmo... | 10:10 |
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| ebzzry | ruskie: I have already done that before, and the results I'm getting so far do not propose a reproducible solution. | 10:31 |
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| pupnik | observed n900 used price range on ebay.de last week: 150-290 euro - median 220-250 | 10:46 |
| pupnik | closer to 250 | 10:47 |
| jatt | damn | 10:47 |
| jatt | I paid 500 for it | 10:47 |
| jatt | lol | 10:47 |
| ieatlint | that's a pretty good resale price | 10:47 |
| ieatlint | i bought mine for $500usd in november 2009... selling it for 250eur now is very decent | 10:48 |
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| trx | i bought mine in november for 200eur from my operator | 10:49 |
| trx | normal price arround here was 600eur :/ | 10:49 |
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| jatt | damn nokia | 10:52 |
| jatt | so what is the real price of this thing? | 10:52 |
| jatt | cannot fluctuate between 200EUR and 600EUR | 10:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I got mine for $325 about 6 months ago. | 10:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Used | 10:53 |
| ieatlint | the price is the higher one | 10:53 |
| trx | 200eur but with contract | 10:53 |
| trx | without a contract it was 600 | 10:53 |
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| chx | yeah $300, refurbished, in October | 10:54 |
| chx | Amazon has it new for $349 | 10:54 |
| chx | so that's the priceof it. | 10:54 |
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| jatt | oh with contract | 10:56 |
| jatt | I see I bought it without it | 10:56 |
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| timeless | iirc someone said there was a 0GBP w/ contract deal too | 11:03 |
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| timeless | of course, if you're paying in GBP, then your contract costs suck :) | 11:03 |
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| trx | i had a contract before my n900 so nothing changed and i got myself a cool mobile computer :) | 11:05 |
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| * jonwil wonders what the license on the certificates in http://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman/trees/master/etc/certs is | 11:10 | |
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| * jonwil wonders if its the same LGPL license as the rest of the code in that repo | 11:10 | |
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| * jonwil still cant find a license quote for libosso-graphics-game-chess either :( | 11:11 | |
| ruskie | I would assume that anything on gitorious has some sort of valid open source license | 11:11 |
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| jonwil | I think in the absence of any other license statement, it would be difficult for Nokia to argue that those files are not LGPL | 11:12 |
| jonwil | osso-graphics-game-chess on the other hand | 11:13 |
| ieatlint | in the absence of any notation otherwise, the project is listed as GPL and LGPL | 11:13 |
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| ieatlint | so it's valid to assume any code in a project labeled as GPL/LGPL as being such unless otherwise noted | 11:13 |
| jonwil | That means that FreeSmartPhone can use those certificates in their N900 port :) | 11:14 |
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| ruskie | ow those | 11:14 |
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| ruskie | you can get those from variosu certificate bundles in distros | 11:15 |
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| ruskie | or you can assemble them on your own | 11:15 |
| jonwil | All I know is that there is talk about needing specific certificates to talk to the Nokia SUPL server for AGPS. And since the only place the AGPS SUPL server could could be getting certificates from is the ones in maemosec-certman, its good to know that any secret key or certificate is in fact free for FSO to use | 11:16 |
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| jonwil | for their AGPS implementation | 11:17 |
| ieatlint | i think google runs an AGPS server too... not sure what the restrictions are | 11:18 |
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| kerio | what's freesmartphone? | 11:27 |
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| jonwil | FreeSmartPhone.org | 11:34 |
| jonwil | ask in #opemoko-cdevel for more details about FSO on N900 | 11:34 |
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| mintux | hi I didn't my n900 os until now the current version is 3.2010.02-8.003 and I want to know how can I update my phone and what is new version ? also is it possible to install megoo ? | 11:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~flashing | 11:41 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:41 |
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| jatt | meego is not for production use | 11:42 |
| jatt | meego is in alpha stage | 11:42 |
| mintux | aha | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | latest official version is PR1.3 20.2010.36-2 | 11:42 |
| mintux | megoo is better than meamo ? | 11:42 |
| mintux | **maemo | 11:42 |
| jatt | nope | 11:42 |
| jatt | maybe in the future | 11:42 |
| jatt | but now is worst | 11:43 |
| mintux | ok . and what should I backup and what things removed from my phone ? | 11:43 |
| jatt | everything | 11:43 |
| jatt | not even battery loading works | 11:43 |
| jatt | just don't install the thing | 11:43 |
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| mintux | jatt: for example my home ? and etc ? | 11:44 |
| mintux | jatt: how can I get the list of software installed? | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't suggest replacing maemo with meego directly. You can run it via microSD and such just to tinker around with it if you are desperate | 11:44 |
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| jatt | don't install meego just don't do it | 11:45 |
| mintux | no i want to install maemo | 11:45 |
| jatt | oh then everything is fine | 11:46 |
| jatt | there is a backup utility in the n900 use it | 11:46 |
| mintux | but I want to know what thing should I backup (for example home is very large ) and how can I get list of software installed ? | 11:46 |
| jatt | in a terminal type dpkg -l | 11:46 |
| jatt | that will give you a list of installed software | 11:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's two ways baackup, one is to use osso-backup which comes as standard with the device. It only downloads debs from the repositories that you originally have not any other 3rd party repositories, etc. Then there's backupmenu v2 which can backup your entire device albeit that requires multiboot | 11:47 |
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| mintux | psycho_oreos: I should install it ? | 11:48 |
| mintux | backupmenu v2 | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | mintux, its entirely up to you. If you have legacy apps that you want to retain working and if the latest PR1.3 doesn't suit your taste you can restore it. Plus backupmenu v2 does more backups from other places if need be, such as /home/user and /home/user/MyDocs.. places that osso-backup wouldn't touch (definitely not /home/user/MyDocs) | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | and there's two ways of updating, one is OTA and the other is flashing | 11:50 |
| nid0 | but then, touching mydocs isnt needed for a reflash | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | not unless you also flash emmc image | 11:50 |
| mintux | ok | 11:50 |
| mintux | i want to download firmware but I got this list | 11:51 |
| mintux | http://up.iranblog.com/images/bozf3xc8sdnk5akz3ww.png | 11:51 |
| mintux | which one of them should I download ? | 11:51 |
| psycho_oreos | the flashing wiki page notes its a two stage process. One is to flash the emmc then you flash the fiasco | 11:51 |
| nid0 | pr1.3 global | 11:51 |
| mintux | nid0: PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 ? | 11:54 |
| nid0 | yes | 11:54 |
| mintux | ok and this version when released ? | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT backmenu requires multiboot? NONSENSE | 11:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *nothing* reqires multiboot, multiboot is deprecated, and just nitdroid folks are still using it because they don't get it | 11:57 |
| pupnik | can they run android from within a running maemo? | 12:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they can use uBoot for sure | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/can/could and should be able to/ | 12:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: they could and should be able to use uBoot for sure | 12:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/16/nokia_had_choices_but_couldnt_take_them/ | 12:12 |
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| ruskie | hindsight is a wonderful thing... | 12:17 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: looks like a fair summary to me | 12:18 |
| pupnik | one of the few reviews that even mentions maemo/770 | 12:18 |
| pupnik | or retrospectives | 12:18 |
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| compengi | is it possible to reach the peak points in charging the battery on usb port? | 12:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'peak points'? | 12:25 |
| compengi | the maximum battery charge | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It just takes a little longer. | 12:26 |
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| ruskie | "changing the microSD card causes WP7 to restore factory defaults" <-- WTF??? | 12:26 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, do you need a software? nokia wtvr? | 12:26 |
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| ruskie | interesting... so not much has changed since windows mobile... "Opinion in my company where we have several win7 phone users is that it is rubbish. Missing major functions, drops calls, crashes all the time. They all want different phones" | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 12:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | compengi: ? | 12:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | compengi: No software is needed to charge the battery | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/no/no special additional/ | 12:32 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, weird, i've plugged in the phone on the usb, at the end the phone showed that it was charged on 95% from hal-device output, i plugged it on the adapter and it continues charging :/ | 12:32 |
| compengi | continued* | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | compengi: on replugging it always restarts charging | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | 95% from hal is as good as it gets afaik | 12:33 |
| compengi | aha | 12:34 |
| compengi | and there is no more accurate way to check it? | 12:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not with the standard software. | 12:35 |
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| timeless | SpeedEvil: great article, too bad they misspelled 'n900' | 12:46 |
| nid0 | most likely just a typo for the missed n, they got it right on the media player image caption | 12:47 |
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| timeless | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/987515 | 12:54 |
| ruskie | hehe | 12:56 |
| Jartza | true | 12:57 |
| Jartza | that corporate attention deficit hyperactivity disorder was the reason I left Nokia | 12:58 |
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| pupnik | n900 wasn't missing much... :( | 12:58 |
| APTX | you talk like it's not there anymore | 12:59 |
| nid0 | from nokia's perspective, it isnt | 13:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I love the next post. | 13:00 |
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| deno | hi there | 13:02 |
| deno | is it normal that the kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb occupies just 1.9 MB? | 13:04 |
| deno | it seems very light.. | 13:04 |
| timeless | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/987634 :) | 13:04 |
| timeless | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/987539 isn't bad either | 13:06 |
| nid0 | I must say I do often like the fact that I work for a small company | 13:07 |
| nid0 | "hey, what about doing this?" "sure, give it a shot" is about as hard as it gets | 13:07 |
| Kowalczyk | with the introduction of WP7. you think Nokia will drop support for n900 / maemo completely? | 13:10 |
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| Trewas | Kowalczyk: how could they drop it even more? they would have to invent new kind of concept for dropping :) | 13:11 |
| Kowalczyk | haha :D | 13:11 |
| nid0 | they could visit every n900 owner and smash the phones | 13:11 |
| psycho_oreos | wow that'd be a honour | 13:12 |
| pupnik | N900 is still the only fun phone for me :/ | 13:12 |
| pupnik | if we could just get a commitment to *one* successor device | 13:13 |
| Kowalczyk | pupnik: same here.. | 13:13 |
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| deno | pupnik, what about android phones? | 13:13 |
| nid0 | the big shame is with the seeming lack of any n900 successor anytime soon I had been seriously thinking of picking up an e7, as i've really liked all my past e-series and communicator devices | 13:14 |
| pupnik | i have an android tablet... so far, not fun. | 13:14 |
| jonwil | Nokia can have my N900 when they pry it from my cold dead hands (or when they give me a free replacement of a superior phone) | 13:14 |
| deno | :( | 13:14 |
| Kowalczyk | what I mean then... what will happen to n900 I mean? | 13:14 |
| nid0 | but following last week, buying a symbian device seems like a dumb idea | 13:14 |
| psycho_oreos | a probable meego device, I wonder what will they stuff inside it, probably fill it with inferior parts compared to their upcoming WP7 phone.. make meego act like winME for the springboard financial boost | 13:14 |
| psycho_oreos | s/the financial/their financial/ | 13:15 |
| pupnik | i'd be real happy with omap3640 and 512MB | 13:15 |
| ruskie | I thought nokia did commit to one MeeGo device this year... | 13:15 |
| pupnik | i hope that device has a cellphone radio | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah they did say that but there's no indication what it'll be | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | they've axed the great n9 | 13:16 |
| nid0 | no | 13:16 |
| Trewas | Kowalczyk: nothing will happen to n900 as far as nokia is concerned, I don't think they produce them anymore and it would be a surprise to get any updates | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | its probably a good indication they probably won't create something equivalent or better than the specs of the n9 | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | no? | 13:16 |
| nid0 | theyve axed *a hardware variant* of what might have become the n9 | 13:16 |
| Kowalczyk | Trewas: ok.... but aas long as maemo lives on it will be okay.. regarding packages and so on | 13:17 |
| Kowalczyk | I hope:d hehe | 13:17 |
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| jarkkom_ | nid0, you could do that at nokia too, I've heard about lots of interesting expirements. it's just that things would never get past engineer level because someone above thought it would mess with their bonuses or something and cancel the project | 13:17 |
| ruskie | Trewas, community SSU ;) | 13:18 |
| psycho_oreos | and to fill the new n9 with the supposedly inferior stuff? | 13:18 |
| nid0 | jarkkom_: yeah thats the difference though, i get the "sure, give it a shot", try it, and if it works, deploy it | 13:18 |
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| pupnik | there are serious fixed costs to releasing any phone though - case moulding, production facility, certification, channel distribution | 13:19 |
| Kowalczyk | iPhone next then:d hehe :D | 13:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't consider about buying iphone unless there's no android devices that could satisfy me. But then again I'd choose iphone anyday over WP7 if I were forced to choose either of those | 13:21 |
| El_Angelo | hi | 13:21 |
| pupnik | yeah but with either you're basically caged in the role of a consumer | 13:21 |
| El_Angelo | does the maemo built-in skype caller have video? | 13:21 |
| pupnik | a monkey pushing at the screen | 13:21 |
| El_Angelo | cause i just tried | 13:21 |
| nid0 | tbh theres nothing wrong with wp7, the amount of bashing it gets just because it has a "microsoft" tag on it from people who've never even touched it is kinda tiresome | 13:21 |
| El_Angelo | and though i could see myself, my companions at the other end of the line couldn't | 13:21 |
| Kowalczyk | psycho_oreos: same her.. rather iPhone than WP7 | 13:22 |
| nid0 | El_Angelo: it does | 13:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | or you could look at blackberries and say there's nothing wrong with them either | 13:22 |
| Kowalczyk | and I dont want an HTC. I had one.. so no | 13:22 |
| pupnik | imagine that E7 with 800x480, omap3 @ 1ghz and 512MB ram | 13:22 |
| El_Angelo | nid0: i need anything special? | 13:22 |
| pupnik | sad pupnik | 13:22 |
| nid0 | El_Angelo: no, if you've got the camera button available, pressed it, and can see yourself they should be able to see you too | 13:22 |
| El_Angelo | weird | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Kowalczyk, glad that you agree :) then again, android would be a hell lot better if they took a different approach to their linux environment | 13:23 |
| wazd | pupnik: e7 is a heluva sexy phone | 13:23 |
| wazd | pupnik: on a hardware side | 13:23 |
| pupnik | i know wazd ... beautiful | 13:23 |
| pupnik | for me, the most beautiful phone ever | 13:23 |
| nid0 | e7 would be fine software wise too if nokia hadnt just killed all possibility of further third-party development last week | 13:24 |
| pupnik | but arm 1136 cpu | 13:24 |
| wazd | pupnik: yeah, looks like it for me too | 13:24 |
| pupnik | >_< | 13:24 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't like WP7 phone to have a `windows' key. That just reminds me of how they made literally the entire PC market keyboards to have that `windows' key. What if you don't use windows on the phone? tough luck, suck shit and die? | 13:24 |
| nid0 | how is this any different to the buttons android phones have to have? | 13:24 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: remember that nokia can do with wp7 whatever it wants | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | and then there was that news of them giving credits to chevronWP7 and not providing a native alternative OS installer | 13:25 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: no restrictions at all | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | android doesn't have a dedicated android button | 13:25 |
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| pupnik | how about they release a wp7 phone and we get an unofficial maemo for it | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | wazd, correct and we as consumers will see what devices suits us | 13:25 |
| alterego | unofficial meego .. | 13:25 |
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| nid0 | psycho_oreos: what difference does the logo on the button make? | 13:26 |
| nid0 | android dictates required buttons, wp7 does the same, but only wp7 is lame because of it? | 13:26 |
| psycho_oreos | nid0, why must they place a logo of windows on it? | 13:26 |
| wazd | nid0: dunno, but I'm talking about possibilities to remove it if they'd like it | 13:26 |
| psycho_oreos | android doesn't dictate that it must require an android button with a symbol of android | 13:27 |
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| deno | guys is it normal that the kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46_armel.deb occupies just 1.9 MB? | 13:27 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: it's basically just a home button | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | apple doesn't do it with their iphone/ipad why must microsoft do it? proud-ness? | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | wazd, that's not my point | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | deno: that sounds about right | 13:27 |
| El_Angelo | so all i should have to do is push the 'touchscreen camera button' ? | 13:27 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: I see your point and I tell you that nokia is able to change it :) | 13:28 |
| deno | SpeedEvil, the source code is about 70MB however | 13:28 |
| El_Angelo | tja | 13:28 |
| timeless | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/ is pretty good as a read | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | deno: You are not however including any MCA bus support. | 13:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | deno: Or support for fibrechannel. | 13:28 |
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| deno | SpeedEvil, do you know where is the file responsible for these inclusions? | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | the makefile | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | and .config in the root of the source directory | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | wazd, yeah and again I'm implying that nobody is forced to buy the upcoming WP7 phone by nokia. Everyone is entitled to their rights, and hopefully nokia will wake up to their loss of the once beloved linux community, too bad Elop doesn't see it that way. As one person on that the register's news, Elop is no better than a microsoft's beancounter | 13:29 |
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| deno | SpeedEvil, ah ok | 13:30 |
| deno | SpeedEvil, thx | 13:31 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: just remember that symbian was not nokia's OS right from the day-1 | 13:31 |
| wazd | psycho_oreos: they bought it from Psion as I remember | 13:32 |
| wazd | epoc and stuff | 13:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | wazd, I didn't make any mentioning of symbian, nor do I really have any concern for symbian either | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you got your bits together to implement a *compatible* rtcom-dialer-ui? with all the shit like "select service" etc? | 13:43 |
| ruskie | O.o | 13:43 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/17/bar_room_chat/ <-- hmm | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil and I are chatting about how to implement some things regarding outbound call management, which bits are involved, how to tweak them, etc. We need all the help we can get, to understand how all this is working, from very top (UI) down to the bare metal (cellmo, SIP, Skype) | 13:46 |
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| jonwil | If someone can tell me how the "call type" button on the dial pad (which presumably lets you select skype, sip, GSM etc) works then I can find out which bits are the important bits | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, sorry. I called this button "select service" | 13:47 |
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| jonwil | but yeah I am convinced that we need telepathy-ring and osso-mission-control | 13:54 |
| LjL | on the topic of "rtcom" or "haze" or whatever should i call it... :P anybody knows what i am supposed to get for OS2008? there are a few repositories with various flavors of those packages around that i can see. i'd mainly like to use as many protocols as possible in Chat | 13:55 |
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| ruskie | why not just get a jabber account and use jabber transports to whatever protocols you want then... | 13:56 |
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| LjL | ruskie: yeah that's an alternative i guess. i did wonder what the advantages/disadvantages of it compared to using rtcom might be... | 13:57 |
| LjL | also, i'm not sure how to do that in the first place. is it something i do from the web on my server (jabber.org or whatever?) | 13:57 |
| zutesmog | hey does anyone know of a network shared clipboard (like spike) that runs over xmpp that could run on n900 and other desktops ? | 13:57 |
| ruskie | through a jabber client | 13:57 |
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| ruskie | you do service discovery and you get that... | 13:58 |
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| jonwil | anyone know what ohm is? | 13:58 |
| ruskie | zutesmog, never heard of spike... but if I needed to do somethig like that I'd just use socat probably | 13:58 |
| ruskie | jonwil, ? ohm? as in the unit of resistance? | 13:59 |
| jonwil | its a set of packages on the n900 | 13:59 |
| ruskie | and apt-cache info doesn't explain them? | 13:59 |
| LjL | ruskie: that's not something Chat has though, does it? or am i very blind :P | 13:59 |
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| ruskie | LjL, no clue | 14:00 |
| zutesmog | ruskie, looking for something more integrated with the clipboard on both ends. | 14:00 |
| LjL | fair enough, i'll set it up with some other client | 14:00 |
| ruskie | but you can use any jabber client that supports it to add it... and it should show up in all other clients as well | 14:00 |
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| pupnik | 3D phone, dual-core omap4, IPS stereoscopic display, 2-4x performance of N900, http://www.anandtech.com/show/4179/ti-omap4-and-lg-optimus-3d-tested | 14:01 |
| zutesmog | yep, though direct clipboard support isn't really there, Also a lot of jabber clients (say gtalk) don't like xml formatted messages. | 14:01 |
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| zutesmog | It's a utility I find I want all the time. Copy a link / paste it to my desktop (read it later) and vica versa, or some other text. | 14:01 |
| ruskie | zutesmog, assuming X is on both ends... xclip+socat could do it... but I guess you would need to run a specific command after copying to transfer the stuff... | 14:01 |
| zutesmog | Looks like I might have to write something | 14:02 |
| ruskie | or monitor the clipboard to do it | 14:02 |
| zutesmog | My other end may not be online to recieve, so it needs to be able to store and forward (like offline chat in gtalk). | 14:02 |
| ruskie | that's not a gtalk feature ;) | 14:02 |
| ruskie | it's a xmpp feature ;) | 14:02 |
| zutesmog | looks like an appengine app backend, oauth login. | 14:02 |
| ruskie | most jabber/xmpp servers support it | 14:03 |
| zutesmog | I was using that as example why socat wouldn't do the job, and why I was looking for an xmpp based solution | 14:03 |
| ruskie | I'd probably make it some sort of a web page more likely | 14:04 |
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| ruskie | copy... paste into a web page... have link on devices to link them together... | 14:04 |
| zutesmog | I spend all my time building appengine stuff. i was thinking more like an private intelligent pastebin, with and alternate client implementation that has an integrated clipboard. | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ohm = open hardware manager afaik | 14:05 |
| zutesmog | for me if I send something to the N900 for instance I would like a notification, and one click, into the clipboard. | 14:06 |
| ruskie | zutesmog, you mean like this: command(be it xclip or cat or whatever stdout) |curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us | 14:06 |
| zutesmog | along those lines, just quicker and easier to use ;-) | 14:06 |
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| ruskie | that can be dead easy to use you know... | 14:06 |
| ruskie | a single script can do it... | 14:07 |
| ruskie | then just link a shortcut to it | 14:07 |
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| ruskie | and then send the returned url via xmpp message | 14:08 |
| ruskie | though I think you would need a plugin for telepathy to get anything more single click | 14:08 |
| zutesmog | It's a bit more than that I think, I would want to manage multiple pastes etc..... Notifications, clipboard history and so on. | 14:08 |
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| zutesmog | I can cobble something immediately with a couple of python scripts, but would like a more integrated experience. And I have been looking for something worthwhile (for me at least) to knock together for the N900 | 14:10 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/02/17/sonim_xp3300_force/ <-- now that's a phone to have handy... | 14:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/articles/interim-apple-chief-under-fire-after-unveiling-gro,19111/?utm_source=recentnews | 14:14 |
| Venemo | achipa: ping | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | motorola droid2 with omap3640 @ 1ghz could make a fine meego-phone (if opensource drivers are avail) http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-2-Teardown/3502/1 | 14:19 |
| pupnik | Elpida K4332C1PD-50-F - 512MB Mobile DDR3 RAM for the OMAP3630 | 14:20 |
| pupnik | TI WL1271B WLAN Bluetooth/FM chip | 14:20 |
| pupnik | camera doesn't compare to n900 apparently | 14:21 |
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| debernardis | could Meego run on the Galaxy Tab? | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego could run onmost high-end smartphones out there. | 14:23 |
| pupnik | or crawl, as the case may be | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | If the makers eiither chose to let it, or it's rooted, and someone puts in the work porting it. | 14:23 |
| pupnik | need 3d drivers | 14:23 |
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| debernardis | ah, yes, great thing this so-called google: it's been done | 14:27 |
| debernardis | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2520 | 14:27 |
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| mece1 | jacekowski, ping | 15:18 |
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| pupnik | to me the N900 is more 'powerful' than any 1ghz phone | 15:23 |
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| pupnik | to someone who can't do anything but slide their finger to the left and right | 15:24 |
| pupnik | it might seem like a device that updates the scroll at higher fps is 'more powerful' | 15:24 |
| pupnik | but those are monkeys | 15:24 |
| ruskie | ++ | 15:25 |
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| alterego | Ooo, someones done dome nice tweaks for IO .. | 15:27 |
| pupnik | in a new kernel alterego ? | 15:27 |
| alterego | No, just setting kernel variables. | 15:28 |
| pupnik | that sounds like a welcome improvement | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that sounds like swappolube | 15:29 |
| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69973 | 15:29 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: that has been menitoned. | 15:29 |
| alterego | I didn't realise what swappalube did. | 15:29 |
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| Venemo | alterego: swappolube lets you set some kernel config to improve responsiveness | 15:38 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:39 |
| alterego | Never used it, seems like this does the same kind of thing | 15:39 |
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| ruskie | http://www.daccreative.co.uk/goodcopybadcopy/2009/09/25/scenes-from-corporate-life-7/ | 15:51 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 16:16 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone pinged? | 16:53 |
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| alterego | no, you're not _that_ popular.:P | 16:55 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: gonna look at your video overlay this evening :) | 16:56 |
| alterego | So I'll need you around to help me set my scht up. | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, "#maemo" was blue :p | 16:59 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: use /lastlog MohammadAG then | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | the N900 is not class 2 BT | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | Class 2 is 10m iirc | 17:00 |
| jonwil | well I was trying to talk to you earlier regarding dialer stuff, trying to figure out if advanced call control (e.g. detecting call and routing to cheaper SIP number) was possible | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | with the BT messenger test I did today, the other N900 could receive messages from 20m away | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | possibly more, at least 20 | 17:01 |
| jonwil | unfortunatly what I found is that if you try and change things in the lower layers (telepathy, mission-control etc), the dialer will get confused | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 17:01 |
| jonwil | thats based on my reverse engineering of the dialer code anyway | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | I expect it to be hardcoded | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | as most of the stuff on the N900 is | 17:02 |
| jonwil | so our initial idea to file a license change request for telepathy-ring to help implement the call control is moot and we dont need to file the request | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | unless we kill the stock dialer | 17:03 |
| jonwil | and replace it with a custom one (which will never handle all the wierd corner cases) | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 17:03 |
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| jonwil | Basically when you activate the contact or when you press the "call type" button, thats when the account system is invoked and identifies e.g. the skype or SIP account details to use | 17:04 |
| jonwil | then when you press the call button, it passes this pre-determined account information on to the lower layers | 17:04 |
| jonwil | i.e. telepathy | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can anybody tell me what makes dbus-daemon eat 50B (session) rsp 40MB (system) of RAM? o.O - admittedly on my x86, not checked on fremantle yet | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50MB* | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | stinks like memleak | 17:19 |
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| mgedmin | RSS of dbus-daemon is 7.2 and 2.2 MB here | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | http://jan.wildeboer.net/2011/02/microsoft-absolutely-no-free-software-for-windows-phone-and-xbox-apps/ | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | "“Excluded License” means any license requiring, as a condition of use, modification and/or distribution of the software subject to the license, that the software or other software combined and/or distributed with it be (i) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (ii) licensed for the purpose of making derivative works; or (iii) redistributable at no charge. Excluded Licenses include, but are not limited to | 17:27 |
| crashanddie | the GPLv3 Licenses. For the purpose of this definition, “GPLv3 Licenses” means the GNU General Public License version 3, the GNU Affero General Public License version 3, the GNU Lesser General Public License version 3, and any equivalents to the foregoing." | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | my values RSS as well | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: say thanks to RMS: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement | 17:37 |
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| deno | do you know if our nokia support DMA transfers? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | deno: ?? N900 OMAP3430? sure it has several DMA channels | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: uptime? | 17:46 |
| deno | DocScrutinizer, ok | 17:46 |
| kamui | aah man, is it true about meego's impending death? | 17:46 |
| kamui | :( | 17:46 |
| kamui | I've been off the scene for a while since I scrapped my N900 | 17:47 |
| deno | DocScrutinizer, thx | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, up 10 days, 2:13, | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: 16:47 148 Tage 1:10 here. I think it's more like your values after boot | 17:47 |
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| mgedmin | nice uptime there -- your kernel must be full of bugs, though | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not exactly an exposed server, so I can live with a few bugs :-D | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm kinda pissed about that supposed bug in dbus-daemon though | 17:51 |
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| Cor-Ai | is there a way to send sms via the terminal on n900? :p | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | Cor-Ai, google | 17:54 |
| Cor-Ai | have tried that for some while now :/ | 17:55 |
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| valianholt | Hello, does maemo planet (http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/) support RSS? | 17:57 |
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| ThreeM | wtf android has no syncml support?! | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | 'salright, WP7 has no BT OBEX | 18:18 |
| ThreeM | WTF?! | 18:19 |
| ThreeM | Business class phones?! | 18:20 |
| ThreeM | uhhh incredible how smart there are | 18:20 |
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| alterego | There's a lot they both don't have .. | 18:22 |
| alterego | Hell Symbian is still the most featureful mobile OS there is. | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu is freaking annoying lately | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | don't hibernate my laptop if you can't do it properly | 18:24 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, hibernate never worked for me :D | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | it works for me, 3/4 the times | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | the 1/4 is the time when I really need everything back | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | there's no way to disable it | 18:26 |
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| merlin1991 | for me mesa dies, and when it comes back I have weird lines on the screen :D | 18:28 |
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| deno | do you know if is possible to use ehci instead of musb? | 18:36 |
| deno | (n900) | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | the controller is an musb controller, which is not compatible with the normal cotroller. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | sjgadsby's unerring rationality makes for boring flamewars. | 18:38 |
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| ShadowJK | well ehci isn't even connected to anything | 18:39 |
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| slonopotamus | sooo | 18:40 |
| deno | uhm | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | Sc0rpius: morning | 18:40 |
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| ShadowJK | oh you mean using ehci driver? no | 18:40 |
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| deno | SpeedEvil, the normal controller? | 18:40 |
| deno | ShadowJK, yep I want to use the ehci driver | 18:40 |
| deno | it is better, isn't it? | 18:40 |
| ShadowJK | There's both ehci and musb controller in n900's omap3 chip, but ehci isn't connected to anything | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 18:41 |
| deno | ShadowJK, ok | 18:41 |
| deno | but you said that it was not compatible with the normal controller. What do you mean with this? | 18:41 |
| ShadowJK | and using ehci driver for musb controller isn't going to work at all :) | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil meant the ehci driver is incompatible with the musb controller | 18:42 |
| deno | ah ok | 18:42 |
| deno | yep are 2 different things | 18:42 |
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| deno | uhm is this musb controller slower than the ehci one? | 18:43 |
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| ShadowJK | dunno, on beagleboard before they got ehci working people used musb with hubs to connect ethernet dongles, keyboards, mice and harddrives at the same time.. | 18:44 |
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| slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/curl_7.18.2-8lenny4/ is it alive at all? | 18:45 |
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| deno | uhm because I can use some device with the n900 but not all | 18:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Such as? | 18:45 |
| deno | devices that uses isochronous transfers | 18:46 |
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| deno | like the kinect | 18:46 |
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| deno | SpeedEvil, I think it doesn't find endpoints or something like that | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Cor-Ai: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS | 19:37 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hates it to search for 10min to come up with sth like http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#62, just to learn the user who asked about musb-core, isochronous, ehci, endpoints and whatnot has left the chan | 19:45 | |
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| RST38h | reMOO | 19:57 |
| RST38h | Anything new and exciting today? Apocalypse? Nokia switching to desktop version of Win7? | 19:58 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, they announced the N9 with Windows 8 | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Ah cool | 20:00 |
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| trumee | guys, i am trying to package upstream sofia-sip in my scratchbox, but end up with an error "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/libsofia-tools.a': No such file or directory" | 20:14 |
| trumee | i copied debian/ from fremantle sofia-sip_1.12.10-0maemo5+0m5.tar.gz to the upstream sofia-sip folder, but compilation fails with the above error | 20:15 |
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| vi_ | so whos gonnae steal the maemo source code for us? | 20:25 |
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| ThreeM | gamegripper is a nice addon xD | 20:36 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk2: When're you going to finish liq so it can do: http://www.carrypad.com/2011/02/17/mobile-multi-display-on-ios/ ? | 20:39 |
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| boO` | hi | 20:41 |
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| lcuk2 | Jaffa, offs | 20:42 |
| asimulator | hi lcuk | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | i think i need to give up | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | :D asimulator | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: It looks very cool | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | the one shining light today :$ | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | hello | 20:42 |
| asimulator | really? i went in here cause i was deprese | 20:42 |
| asimulator | sed | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | Jaffa, that is exactly what I want to do and stuff | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | Bad day? :-( | 20:42 |
| lcuk2 | I asked lardman for ages about multibarcode stuff | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | that works without the camera and lets all the devices do it | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | but without extra fingers near me I will never fucking do anything | 20:43 |
| lcuk2 | http://liqbase.net/liqbase.info.txt | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | asimulator, sorry for my rant, you are mentione dhere | 20:44 |
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| asimulator | hey i'm pretty depressed | 20:45 |
| mikhas | what is it? | 20:46 |
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| asimulator | what everyone is depressed about | 20:49 |
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| asimulator | except, i'm not a coder | 20:49 |
| asimulator | wtf am i goign to do with my life | 20:49 |
| lcuk | asimulator, :) if I start a business I will happily have you on my team :) | 20:50 |
| mikhas | You will continue to do great UX design, what else! | 20:50 |
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| mikhas | Just as I will continue coding. Maybe less coding in Qt, who knows ;-) | 20:50 |
| blizzow | What tweaks should I make, or apps are necessary for a good experience on a fresh N900? | 20:50 |
| lcuk | asimulator, guess what | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | I sussed out how to make UI pretty with a simple change :) | 20:51 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110214_135930.liqpostcard.scr.png | 20:51 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg | 20:52 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:52 |
| mikhas | Those who pushed MeeGo into the open have foreseen this. Though I would have expected Intel to blink away, not Nokia. | 20:52 |
| mikhas | Actually, it's great that we still have a project. | 20:53 |
| asimulator | i guess that's true | 20:53 |
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| asimulator | lcuk thanks, that means a lot to me heh | 20:53 |
| mikhas | Could have been much worse. Imagine this had happened 13 months ago. before MeeGo was born. | 20:53 |
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| alterego | I was just thinking, is the N900 the only Nokia phone without buttons on the front face | 20:58 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, for the 2009 Maemo summit, we discussed possibility of an app which expected all users to hold up their phones and each would be a pixel on a whole display | 20:58 |
| alterego | I wonder who decided to ditch the task-switched and home buttons. | 20:59 |
| alterego | I guess, if the N900 was a phone first, it'd have the green and red buttons like most other phones of theirs. | 20:59 |
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| * lcuk writes an email to Rich Green. | 21:03 | |
| pupnik_ | how come LG is releasing dual-core Omap4 and Tegra phones while Nokia is releasing ARM1136 phones? | 21:05 |
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| pupnik_ | for their high-end mind you... | 21:06 |
| bjv | on n810, the whole screen will sometimes (once every 20 days maybe) "decay" in vertical lines until blank. playing back .mytube .flv with mplayer causes it most often. | 21:07 |
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| * VladNistor says hello | 21:07 | |
| bjv | interfaces/sshd are still up, but sluggish | 21:08 |
| VladNistor | i have a memory card which i've formated to ext3. when i plug it in Maemo says format not supported | 21:08 |
| VladNistor | is that normal? | 21:08 |
| bjv | only thing in dmesg is a omapfb mesg about some 'line' not being ready, & kmesg suppressing 8-9 repeats of same. what is more interesting is after issuing and init 6 | 21:09 |
| bjv | the 810 appeared to reboot, played the nokia startup sound | 21:09 |
| bjv | but the screen was still black | 21:09 |
| bjv | backlight on, but black & fully blank. no logo, boot progress, nada | 21:09 |
| bjv | does this sound familiar? | 21:10 |
| bjv | this is not the first time this has happened to me | 21:10 |
| bjv | but it is the first time i checked dmesg w/ sshd | 21:10 |
| bjv | and first time i tried to init 6 | 21:10 |
| bjv | instead of just removing the battery pack | 21:11 |
| bjv | seems like there is a bug in omapfb, yeah? | 21:11 |
| bjv | no luck googling for similar cases | 21:11 |
| bjv | what's more weird is that a soft reboot does not fix the issue | 21:12 |
| bjv | it's like the bad driver puts the hardware | 21:12 |
| bjv | in some unrecoverable state, | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | bjv does it boot normally after you pop battery? | 21:13 |
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| bjv | yes | 21:13 |
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| bjv | extremely odd/worrying, and makes me nervous *every time* i play a video, | 21:15 |
| bjv | like at the gym for a workout, or etc. | 21:15 |
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| bjv | omapfb omapfb: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready | 21:19 |
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| bjv | printk: 5 messages suppressed | 21:19 |
| bjv | on and on like that. | 21:20 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia E7 should have had omap3640 @ 1-1.2ghz with 384-512MB RAM, and symbian with a hacker version of meego available | 21:24 |
| pupnik_ | there are so many fixed costs of making a phone, putting in the extra $50 for quality cpu and display is a no-brainer for your high-end device | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, even better would be doing full complete design and specifications based on the slower one | 21:25 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 21:25 |
| lcuk | then switching it out to a faster model just prior to release | 21:25 |
| lcuk | thereby gaining uber optimisations and huge smiles from everyone using it | 21:26 |
| lcuk | because your code has a huge amount of headroom | 21:26 |
| lcuk | and extra processing power to do all the things it wanted | 21:26 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders why not just open e7 specs, i bet it would take just a few months to get meego running by community effort alone | 21:37 | |
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| pupnik_ | Arkenoi: because it is too weak to run meego | 21:46 |
| pupnik_ | lmao htc cameras SUCK | 21:46 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.infosyncworld.net/resources/products/htc/htc_inspire_4g_s018.jpg | 21:47 |
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| Trapp | hello world | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and in our second example, we learn how to /ns register, and to start a real conversation on IRC | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hello human | 22:17 |
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| ieatlint | real conversations don't happen on irc | 22:22 |
| ieatlint | it's mostly awkward nerdy exchanges, trolling, and teenagers looking for porn | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | ieatlint, its also an excellent collaborative communication system | 22:27 |
| lcuk | s/its/it's/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: ieatlint, it's also an excellent collaborative communication system | 22:27 |
| ieatlint | yes, and most tech companies have internal irc servers running for just that purpose | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | BT messenger working :D | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | tis a shame there's no school tomorrow, it's the only place where there's a shitload of N900s | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a dhitload?? o.O | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | still wondering what a BT messenger is doing | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I've actually seen somebody with a N900 recently - - - he bought it after I told him about mine, when he gave me his Freerunner to fix the GPS :-D | 22:43 |
| ieatlint | "entrance" as a verb is apparently very different than as a noun | 22:44 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, shitload of n900s at school? I was the only one in the whole school :D | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I should ask Nokia for my comission | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: lol | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, chat without paying for SMS, without the availability of Wi-Fi, and... without making a sound | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | ideal for schools and unis :P | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, 3 (including me) in my class | 22:46 |
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| merlin1991 | well I must admit I was in the final class when the n900 came out :D | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | and my class is only 18 peeps | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so not far from what I thought about, for failsafe alternative networks, e.g. on huge demonstrations | 22:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects MohammadAG has a flourishing little business with selling gray import cell phones | 22:48 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, last class here too :p | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, that's why I still can't test the app without another N900 :p | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, you're out of stock, due to huge demand | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG | hi _nicolai_ | 22:50 |
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| _nicolai_ | Hi | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | _nicolai_, I was thinking of adding some gconf commands to postinst that set max to 5 and step to 1, since some people are having problems for some reason | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | and the N900s really won't vary on the hardware/brightness level :) | 22:52 |
| _nicolai_ | MohammadAG, do you know *why* they have different gconf settings? | 22:53 |
| pupnik_ | there's just a void beyond the n900 | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | nope, I'm guessing cause the postinst reregisters the gconf schemas | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | it worked fine for me though | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | some users are seeing only 1 button in the CSSU display panel rewrite | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG | no biggy really, minor change in gcnof should fix it | 23:03 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG why you need to chat without making a sound? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's your target? /sys/screen/foo/brightness? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | cause I'm in class? | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG | no no no, that's fine | 23:03 |
| _nicolai_ | btw, I searched for the gconf setting "tweaks" they could have applied and found another interesting thing: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61234 | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -g /system/osso/dsm/display/max_display_brightness_levels | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | that should return 5 | 23:04 |
| _nicolai_ | does someone knows why these inihibit blank modes are undocumented? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | FYI: seems maemo kernel screen backlight brightness driver is fubar | 23:04 |
| _nicolai_ | this seems an easy way to enable a "display always one" mode | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | _nicolai_: because Nokia doesn't want somebody to disable autu-dim? | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | could you possibly change the checkbox to a hildon value button? | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | some users might actually like this feature | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | What feature? | 23:06 |
| * SpeedEvil comes in late after going out to post stuff. | 23:06 | |
| MohammadAG | read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61234 | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | second post, 0-4 | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | only problem is, strings would be confusing for the user | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | some basics: human physiology isn't sensing brightness differences less than factor 2. with a /sys/foo/brighness range of 0..255 = 2^8 this are exactly 8 levels, incl off | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen timeless | 23:07 |
| infobot | timeless <58730824@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 39m 15s ago, saying: 'http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/ is pretty good as a read'. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | of 2-255 | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when do us humans get a firmware upgrade? | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG | we obviously need one, I want 3D first | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 is usually dim enough, but I could actually like it to go another order of magnitude dimmer or so at times. | 23:08 |
| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG you cannot have conversation in class? | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, not if it's not related to what's being talked about in class | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, that just an example :P | 23:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | Is you class more lecture type? | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | no, it's a school class | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | some hw facts: there are at very least 2 independent ways to change backlight brightness: direct programming of LCM via I2C (that'S what probably is done now via /sys), plus a BL inhibit GPIO line from SoC that probably can get pulsed via hw PWM (I suspect that one currently unused) | 23:09 |
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| ArGGu^^ | no no I mean is it more that you are listening not doing something? | 23:10 |
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| ArGGu^^ | because of course that kind course need to be silent | 23:11 |
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| MohammadAG | well, yeah | 23:12 |
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| ArGGu^^ | ok, I just usually have courses that are more independent. So there no need to be silent. | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (GPIO line) GAIA N4200:M4 GPIO6/PWM0 - the EE @ Nokia is really decent, most of the time | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the SW department seems not on par with that | 23:18 |
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| ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG btw how is the mediaplayer? | 23:18 |
| ArGGu^^ | ready? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, probably via GPIO7/PWM1 IHF_EN you might be able to output audio beep without any higher level DA data streaming interface or codec set up | 23:20 |
| corecode | i'm having issues with xmpp video - the video display often breaks and becomes green and only shows the real video partially | 23:20 |
| corecode | is that a known problem? | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice job, Nokia EE, respect! | 23:22 |
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| ZogG_N900 | is extas and cssu repos down? don't work for me a couple days already | 23:22 |
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| ZogG_N900 | =( | 23:24 |
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| kerio | they're gone | 23:24 |
| ZogG_N900 | are* extra-dev* | 23:24 |
| kerio | foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever | 23:24 |
| ZogG_N900 | oh nooooooo | 23:24 |
| ZogG_N900 | now we have ms-community and extra-mono? | 23:24 |
| kerio | m$su and visualbasic-dev | 23:25 |
| ZogG_N900 | yay \o/ | 23:25 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, ? | 23:25 |
| ArGGu^^ | btw, what phone people are getting next? | 23:26 |
| * ZogG_N900 hugs kerio | 23:26 | |
| ZogG_N900 | we are alone probably here | 23:27 |
| mikhas | IPhone, of course | 23:27 |
| ArGGu^^ | I was thinking to get just small tablet and use voip :D | 23:27 |
| ZogG_N900 | ArGGu^^, i'll stick with this till i see what meego phones are out | 23:27 |
| ArGGu^^ | tried it over 3g worked just fine at my home | 23:28 |
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| ZogG_N900 | ArGGu^^, go for it | 23:28 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i think webos looks sexy | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | i might the atrix and dd its rootfs | 23:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | but there is areas that are not yet covered by 3g :S | 23:28 |
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| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, say what? | 23:29 |
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| MohammadAG | port meego on it | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | android sucks | 23:29 |
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| ZogG_N900 | atrix what da that? | 23:29 |
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| MohammadAG | Motorola Atrix | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | 22/2 | 23:30 |
| ArGGu^^ | well I'm going use the n900 still over a year. maybe there is 3g network in the whole finland by then. | 23:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, maemo > android > * | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | 1GB RAM, dual core 1GHz Tegra | 23:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, good luck, they block bootloader | 23:30 |
| valianholt | look at Samsung Galaxy S ll | 23:31 |
| valianholt | similar HW specs | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | the atrix beats it | 23:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | samsung are shitty | 23:31 |
| valianholt | in HW? | 23:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | htc are sweet imho | 23:31 |
| Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer: ohh, thanks! | 23:31 |
| ArGGu^^ | would be cool if someone else would bring meego phones :S | 23:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | i'll go with doc's openmoko | 23:31 |
| valianholt | samsung does great HW, cool displays, about ROM, I would use Cyanogen all the time anyway, so... | 23:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, so is it me or repos down? | 23:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | low batt | 23:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | =( | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | it's you | 23:32 |
| chx | oh my lord the atrix | 23:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, no way =( | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried downforeveryoneorjustme ? | 23:32 |
| chx | i *knew* this will come for so very long | 23:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, nope =) | 23:32 |
| chx | finally | 23:32 |
| chx | one brain, many docking stations | 23:32 |
| chx | the only one missing is the gaming docking station but that's a few years still | 23:33 |
| ZogG_N900 | motorola is nogo | 23:33 |
| valianholt | actually MeeGo is still the best OS project in mobile world so far | 23:33 |
| valianholt | no matter what Nokia did | 23:33 |
| ZogG_N900 | chx, ps tablet on the way | 23:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer won't plug his brain to any docking station | 23:33 | |
| chx | that's not the same | 23:33 |
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| ZogG_N900 | chx, the worl is not the same | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | you already did | 23:34 |
| ZogG_N900 | gonna go. | 23:34 |
| ZogG_N900 | batt is low | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's called your spine | 23:34 |
| ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, is all internets | 23:34 |
| ZogG_N900 | he uploaded hmself in here | 23:34 |
| ZogG_N900 | bye | 23:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer is skynet | 23:34 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | what do you think why I never sleep? :-P | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, my older device is called t900. You could have known | 23:36 |
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| valianholt | NeoPwn2 going to be released on N900 soon | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | why do we care? | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | lxp already released the drivers | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | the rest is a PyQt UI | 23:37 |
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| ArGGu^^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0OMdJDjUA4 | 23:38 |
| ArGGu^^ | is that fake? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | looks legit to me | 23:40 |
| pupnik_ | how is a n900 'locked to vodafone'? seller on uk thinks his n900 is locked | 23:42 |
| kerio | i thought it was possible | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, locking is possible | 23:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | oh you guys thought all N900 were unlocked' | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | not all of them are unlocked | 23:47 |
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| ZogG | pupnik_ go to setting and push lock for simcard =) | 23:54 |
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| pupnik_ | i knew it was possible just not aware of carriers that provided it | 23:59 |
| pupnik_ | i don't suppose anyone is selling a n900 here | 23:59 |
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