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| jonwil | well my new SIM just became active so I now have tcpdump dumps containing cell broadcast SMS messages from 2 different carrriers | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG | meh, latest natty kernel fails to resume from standby | 00:11 |
| jonwil | If I could just get this !#$%$!@# Wireshark plugin to compile I could analyze them | 00:11 |
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| jacekowski | as i said CB messages reach userland | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | and then probably dbus | 00:12 |
| jonwil | yes I know that | 00:13 |
| jonwil | I am trying to examine these packet captures to match what I see to the phonet specs so I can then follow the data as it gets to userland and then to dbus | 00:13 |
| jonwil | to try and figure out why my IncomingCBS dbus test app doesnt work | 00:14 |
| dangergrrl | yo0u know i have my n900 for two months before i bought a sim card and cell service for it | 00:14 |
| jonwil | anyone here know who Tyson Key is? | 00:14 |
| dangergrrl | s/have/had | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder why my Nokia 6210 doubles power consumption when enabling SMS-CB | 00:20 |
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| jonwil | on the N900 they seem to be always enabled with no way to disable them | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, BB5 needing ~5mA for standby is good enough anyway, so probably just no need to disable sms-cb | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 6210 my idea about that always been that RX can't go sleep when listening for sms-cb | 00:25 |
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| jonwil | bah, stupid wireshark plugin | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you seen last comment in bug 4874 ? | 00:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/4874 Publically document CAL config entries in /dev/mtd1 config area | 00:45 |
| jonwil | Someone should adapt that code in some way and use it to replace the closed-source libcal dependancy on MeeGo | 00:48 |
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| jonwil | shouldn't be that hard to make it API compatible with libcal | 00:48 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, well I have a low level packet dump of a cell brocast SMS message | 01:01 |
| jonwil | i.e. SMS_GSM_CB_ROUTING_NTF or whatever it is | 01:01 |
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| jonwil | but now I need to figure out how to decode what I am looking at | 01:03 |
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| norayr | I was testing my deb packages by installing them from the commandline. | 01:10 |
| norayr | what does it mean, if Application Manager says "incompatible package" ? | 01:10 |
| norayr | It shows the description, however. | 01:10 |
| javispedro | "incompatible package" | 01:13 |
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| javispedro | it might mean a lot of things | 01:13 |
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| javispedro | most common: package category is not user/* | 01:13 |
| Venemo | heh. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines and specially http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Fremantle_application_categories | 01:14 |
| Venemo | someone on TMO said that the community should make their own phones by buying a pandaboard/whatever chip and buying components such as GSM modems and displays off ebay | 01:14 |
| Venemo | I wonder how much of an effort would that take | 01:15 |
| javispedro | tmo is crazy | 01:15 |
| javispedro | if you do that, you could as well buy an htc... | 01:15 |
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| Venemo | javispedro: there's no OSS driver for htc's gsm hardware (that I know of?) | 01:16 |
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| jonwil | so reverse engineer HTCs blob, its been done before (OpenEZX anyone) | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | not so easy | 01:20 |
| pupnik | n900 is definitely good enough hardware wise - keep a couple spare batteries | 01:21 |
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| dotblank | Wasn't there a presentation at the chaos communication congress on a open gsm platform | 01:23 |
| dotblank | or at least reverse engineered | 01:23 |
| wmarone | there is an open source gsm stack in development | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | <Venemo> someone on TMO said that the community should make their own phones by buying a pandaboard/whatever chip and buying components such as GSM modems and displays off ebay | 01:24 |
| Venemo | wmarone: really? | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | just get a new SoC, desolder the one on the N900, solder the new one | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | if you're awesome and epic, you'll get it working | 01:25 |
| wmarone | Venemo: yes, I think it's being led by... Harald Welte | 01:25 |
| Venemo | wmarone: for the N900? | 01:25 |
| wmarone | no | 01:25 |
| BCMM | someone on TMO said most things | 01:25 |
| Venemo | wmarone: then? | 01:25 |
| wmarone | it's just a general stack that implements GSM | 01:25 |
| Venemo | wmarone: ofono? | 01:26 |
| wmarone | I think it's aimed at being run in the same manner as the current baseband | 01:26 |
| wmarone | all on its lonesome | 01:26 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: problem is, there is no SoC that's supported with fully OSS drivers. and I'm not sure if the modem is on the SoC :P | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt the modem is on the SoC | 01:27 |
| wmarone | the modem is in the "Rapu Yama" chip on the mainboard | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | if it was, the beagleboard would have a modem | 01:27 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so then why bother with desolderint the SoC? :P | 01:27 |
| Venemo | s/desolderint/desoldering | 01:27 |
| wmarone | didn't Nokia sell their baseband unit to Renesas some years back? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (decode) you've seen the 7/8 transcode for SMS, as eg used in those tools to send SMS via cmdline? | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | because I said you can do it, and last I checked, I'm on tmo! | 01:27 |
| jonwil | yes I have seen such tools | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I suggest to try and decode your data with 8 different bit-offsets, and see what's the result | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | I wish Nokia would just release the damn N9 already | 01:28 |
| jonwil | well I am following the ofono code as to how it decodes CBS messages | 01:28 |
| dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0LCgxe24Po | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Calvaria - Maemo CAL partition variable access tool\n" \o/ | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | or any developers' platform that doesn't cost me 2k bucks | 01:29 |
| dotblank | for a talk on that gsm platform | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder WTF this got to do with openWRT | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's going to build that tiny tool (for me :-D)? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ? | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | Intel Aava | 01:30 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: is this accurate? http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900Hardware | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/utils/calvaria/files/src/calvaria.c | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: would you give it a shot? | 01:33 |
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| Venemo | just out of curiosity | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: it looks rather uninspired and inaccurate | 01:36 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: thx | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 01:36 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, it looks like a plain simple tool that reads cal | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: umm, yes, no write option | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | it's not so easy to allocate block in cal | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | if you are interested in binary | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:49 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what was the reason for OpenMoko's shutdown? | 01:49 |
| kerio | lag | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | capital | 01:49 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: lack of? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhat, yes | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or management decisions that lead to VC getting retracted | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so basically, yes lag | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:51 |
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| jacekowski | so what is FIC doing now? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's FIC? :-P | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | the company behind openmoko | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's incorrect | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | so who are they then | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | who? | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | FIC | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, some hw manufacturer for computer mainboards that got closed down 2008 afaik? | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | well, they were manufacturing these phones | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the company that assembled Openmoko devices | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | ... manufactured by FIC who instigated the Openmoko project ... | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | absolutely incorrect | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | well, it's on the wiki | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Openmoko used FIC for manufacturing their devices | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | initiative never was from FIC | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and OM never been a subsidiary of FIC | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | why does internet think it was? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, internet thinks now? | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | collective | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | of the people | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that'S the reason then | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | uh | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, OM been a "autonomous" company founded by Sean Moss-Pultz and financed by owners of FIC, and OM used FIC facilities and tech support | 01:59 |
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| jacekowski | so we're getting somewhere | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sean studied in USA and his room mate was some relative of the FIC owners | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | they had some ideas, and they found rooms, reflow streets, and capital to try those ideas | 02:02 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good night | 02:05 |
| DrGrov | Is there any Youtube material or other video material from today's sneak peak of the MWC? | 02:05 |
| DrGrov | hi DocScrutinizer | 02:05 |
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| jonwil | bah, I cant find anything that can decode this cell broadcast SMS :( | 02:16 |
| jonwil | Its a different format to regular SMSs (language type etc) so regular SMS decoders wont work | 02:16 |
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| jonwil | ok, cell broadcast work is going nowhere until I can figure out how to decode cell broadcast SMS messages | 02:24 |
| jonwil | and yes a proper CAL read/write library to replace libcal would be nice to have :) | 02:25 |
| nox- | maybe osmocombb has cell broadcast code? http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ | 02:26 |
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| nox- | or openbts: http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ | 02:29 |
| jonwil | dont think either of those will have exactly what I need | 02:30 |
| jonwil | I posted to the mailing list, maybe someone out there has code I can use | 02:30 |
| jonwil | or knows of some | 02:30 |
| nox- | heh ok | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you checked /Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip/i_sms_wm_fp.pdf §4.3 Cell broadcast message reception, p26 ? | 02:32 |
| jonwil | that tells me nothing about how to decode a cell broadcast SMS | 02:33 |
| jonwil | plus I want code, not standards docs :P | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should give you an idea of the data structure sent by ISI | 02:34 |
| jonwil | I know the data structure sent by isi | 02:34 |
| jonwil | its in the phonet headers I have | 02:34 |
| jonwil | What I have now is a raw Cell Broadcast SMS as sent by the cell tower | 02:34 |
| jonwil | with all the isi packet data removed | 02:35 |
| jonwil | and I want to decode it | 02:35 |
| jonwil | to see what it says | 02:35 |
| jonwil | plus, some stand-alone code is going to be needed to decode this message for the eventual CBSMS GUI | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I still doubt you see ALL random SMs-CB on ISI or dbus. Above docs clearly state you need SMS_CB_ROUTING_REQ command to modem, to subscripe to CB channels as listed in that cmd | 02:36 |
| jonwil | libsms.so and csd-sms.so are already sending SMS_CB_ROUTING_REQ | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might be an index msg, listing all available channels | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, so what are the channels these cmds subscribe to? | 02:38 |
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| jonwil | checking | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's not 4.47. SMS_SB_CB_SUBJECT_RANGE with lower 1 and upper 999(?) then for sure we got a problem there | 02:41 |
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| jonwil | ok, routing_command is SMS_ROUTING_SET | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | got the question in my clipboard 10s ago :-) | 02:48 |
| jonwil | subscription_number is zero | 02:48 |
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| jonwil | ok, I dont think this is going to do what we want, subscription_type is SMS_TYPE_SIM and sub_block_count is zero | 02:50 |
| jonwil | I still wish to dump the CBSMS I do have just to see what it decodes as | 02:51 |
| jonwil | to see for sure | 02:51 |
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| jonwil | aha, idea. I will start tcpdump and then restart the CSD daemon. This will cause it to send the gsm_cb_routing_req packet again | 02:55 |
| jonwil | where I can analyze it properly | 02:55 |
| jonwil | in the tcpdump logs | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:55 |
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| jonwil | ok, thats interesting | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 03:01 |
| jonwil | I am seeing a COMM_ISI_VERSION_GET_RESP for the SMS resource with an isi_version_zzz of 04 and an isi_version_yyy of 01 | 03:02 |
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| jonwil | which means that the n900 cell modem is using SMS server version 004.001 | 03:02 |
| jonwil | which means the pn_sms_isi.h file from that QT SDK (which is for version 005.001) is not correct | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | while docs say it's since 005.001 | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe we should check G 1 | 03:04 |
| jonwil | what do you mean by G 1? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wireless Modem API G2 V2 | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | G1 or G2 V1 | 03:05 |
| jonwil | ok, this packet log isnt complete enough, need to take another one | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are they just augmented some subtype by another constant | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | Another closed UI component opened up in the CSSU (thanks again to nicolai) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11932 | 03:06 |
| povbot | Bug 11932: cloned display brightness applet with proper portrait mode dialog | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh, display brightness applet | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd love simple brightness applet to get more smart | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | that's in the status menu, not the control panel | 03:08 |
| jonwil | the packet log I have is only sending SMS_PP_ROUTING_REQ with SMS_ROUTING_RELEASE | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I expected exactly that | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's explicitly disabling SMS-CB | 03:09 |
| jonwil | thats for point-to-point | 03:09 |
| jonwil | not CB | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ohh sorry | 03:09 |
| jonwil | so the log is incomplete since we know its enabling PP | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I haven't checked the semantics of routing_release for PP | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh for PP the whole routing doesn't make much sense to me | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I got that right, it's just registering a client to the server, for PP | 03:11 |
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| jonwil | ok, I have a usefull log | 03:13 |
| jonwil | it has SMS_GSM_CB_ROUTING_REQ with SMS_ROUTING_SET and SMS_GSM_ROUTING_MODE_ALL | 03:14 |
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| jonwil | thats excatly what ofono sends | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS_GSM_ROUTING_MODE (until 005.000) HAHA :-D | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Obsolete from ISI version 005.000 | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK, nice find | 03:17 |
| jonwil | its definatly using 004.001 | 03:17 |
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| jonwil | it appears to be passing the exact same data as ofono (in fact, the guy who wrote the ofono code in isimodem/cbs.c most likely was someone who had knowledge of what libsms was doing | 03:18 |
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| jonwil | Its then passing SMS_CB_NOT_ALLOWED_IDS_LIST | 03:18 |
| jonwil | followed by some zeros | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3.17. SMS_GSM_TEMP_CB_ROUTING_REQ (until 005.000) | 03:19 |
| jonwil | "if zero and subject_list_type == SMS_CB_NOT_ALLOWED_SUBJ_LIST, all CBS IDs are accepted" | 03:19 |
| jonwil | That to me suggests that its setting up to say "we accept all CBS messages no matter what channel/subject" | 03:20 |
| jonwil | which is what I thought | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:20 |
| jonwil | its passing SMS_ALL_LANGAUGES | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a waste | 03:21 |
| jonwil | then zero for CB ID range | 03:21 |
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| jonwil | since its not passing in any IDs | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 03:21 |
| jonwil | so the telephony stack IS collecting any and all cell broadcast messages | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 03:22 |
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| jonwil | and as far as I can tell libsms is forwarding them to libcsd-sms which triggers the IncomingCBS signal | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | now you only might need some example SMS :-) | 03:22 |
| jonwil | so we are back where we started with the need to figure out how to talk to that signal | 03:22 |
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| jonwil | and the need to find code to decode the cell broadcast message that I was able to dump | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need to get a dump of a known SMS-CB | 03:23 |
| jonwil | ofono contains all the info you would need to decode a CBSMS message | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I definitely know what SMS-CB I'll see here | 03:24 |
| jonwil | its just too hard to either get ofono and the ofono tests compiling on my end so I can test stuff | 03:24 |
| jonwil | or to separate out the CBSMS decode code | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, in docs nomenclature: SM CB | 03:24 |
| jonwil | yeah SMS CB | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2. S is service | 03:25 |
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| jonwil | yeah :) | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you like me to do some dumps, and also supply the decoded text, then post me a few cmd lines (tcpdump? what else?) - but not now, rather now+12h | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know my BTS is sending Gauss-Wegener coords. Those hardly ever change ;-D | 03:28 |
| jonwil | ok, fyi, Subscriber Services is using version 09.02 | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:29 |
| jonwil | not the 010.003 that pn_sms_isi indicates | 03:29 |
| jonwil | no, suplimentary services | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 03:30 |
| jonwil | the wireshark plugin calls it subscriber services | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 03:30 |
| Elaine1 | hi | 03:30 |
| Elaine1 | i heard that abc_ has cancer and is terminal | 03:30 |
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| jonwil | as for logging, you just need tcpdump and also dbus-monitor to be sure a cell broadcast SMS appears in the dump | 03:31 |
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| jonwil | I think we need to send COMM_ISI_VERSION_GET_REQ to all the servers on the phone and find out their versions | 03:31 |
| jonwil | in particular the location server would be nice to know | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good plan | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ps: I know I only need tcpdump, nevertheless I'd prefer to use your cmdline to the . dot | 03:35 |
| lofty306 | so what hardware we play with now? in the future? | 03:42 |
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| Sc0rpius | that geohot rap video is funny | 03:47 |
| Ken-Young | lofty306, Why not continue to play with what we have? | 03:47 |
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| lofty306 | yeah but for the future? | 03:47 |
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| Psi | sure there will be something available by that time | 03:48 |
| lofty306 | heh | 03:49 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: trying to git clone modest... http://dpaste.org/sjrv/ | 09:01 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 09:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Morning. | 09:29 |
| Metallikettu | Good morning :) | 09:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wouldn't go that far. | 09:34 |
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| khertan_ | mwc is today | 09:48 |
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| khertan_ | didn't know | 09:48 |
| khertan_ | :) | 09:48 |
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| * SpeedEvil hopes for 7 new noksoft devices to be released. With a footnote that specs are available to download, and that you can port meego to them if you want. | 09:50 | |
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| khertan_ | Mobile World Live Keynote Speaker: | 09:51 |
| khertan_ | Steve Ballmer, CEO, Microsoft <<< | 09:51 |
| khertan_ | at 4pm | 09:51 |
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| khertan_ | SpeedEvil, so maybe some software news but i doubt about hw for today | 09:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 09:53 |
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| khertan_ | SpeedEvil, tommorrow it s Eric Schmidt, Chairman & CEO, Google | 09:53 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: hahaha yeah right | 10:01 |
| kerio | :( | 10:01 |
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| khertan_ | SpeedEvil, do not believe too much | 10:06 |
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| tmzt | are the colorful winphones going to be tegra based? | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, Asia didn't pull it. ASK 6.78 | 10:22 |
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| * DocScrutinizer waiting for NYSE | 10:22 | |
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| lofty306 | ? see where nokia is? | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they damn better anounce *anything* new today | 10:23 |
| lofty306 | heh | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anything not directly M$ driven | 10:25 |
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| * lofty306 holds his eaars at the mention of that word | 10:25 | |
| psycho_oreos | which? | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | layoffs? | 10:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | WP7? | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 10:27 |
| lofty306 | at M$ | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 10:28 |
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| javispedro | moo | 10:29 |
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| khertan_ | DocScrutinizer, the only live keynote today is ballmer | 10:39 |
| khertan_ | DocScrutinizer, probably a monkey ballmer dance ... 'developpers, developpers, developpers ...' | 10:39 |
| jonwil | Personally | 10:40 |
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| lofty306 | be the monkey bit witha haha we got nokia bit prob | 10:40 |
| jonwil | I hope Windows Phone 7 is a major flop | 10:40 |
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| jonwil | and that Android, IOS and Blackberry win the race | 10:40 |
| maybeArgh | http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOA3.DE&t=1d&l=on&z=l&q=l&c= | 10:40 |
| SpeedEvil | khertan_: I said hope - I did not say expect. | 10:40 |
| maybeArgh | hum | 10:40 |
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| maybeArgh | nearly at -3% | 10:40 |
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| khertan_ | SpeedEvil, i say do not expect too much or you ll be hardly disapointed :) | 10:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | khertan_: I hope that... - I expect that Ballmer will stand up and wibble about vision a lot. | 10:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | With nothing substantive revealed. | 10:42 |
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| maybeArgh | one of our chancellors once said "if you've got visions, you should go see a doctor" | 10:42 |
| Termana | morning | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict hardly | 10:44 |
| apt | Dictionary 'hardly' (1 of 4): almost not; "he hardly ever goes fishing"; "he was hardly more than sixteen years old"; "they scarcely ever used the emergency generator" . | 10:44 |
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| khertan_ | http://dl.google.com/android/android-sdk_r09-linux_x86.tgz | 10:49 |
| khertan_ | oups | 10:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.dailyfinance.com/company/microsoft-corporation/msft/nas/institutional-ownership Elop #8 for individual owners | 10:51 |
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| khertan_ | pupnik, everybody already talk about that ... :) some say #7 | 10:52 |
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| pupnik | i think 8 may be more correct than 7 | 10:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/trends?q=elop there's something interesting on that page | 10:54 |
| khertan_ | pupnik, win32.elop.trojan Is no more a zero day now | 10:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/trends?q=elop%2C+meego&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 | 10:55 |
| maybeArgh | nokia is listed as its own city? | 10:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah HAHA | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | cities: Nokia, Finland :-P | 10:58 |
| javispedro | theres a Nokia town in finland | 10:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we only got a Siemens street (actually a few of them I guess), Siemens town is just unofficial for Erlangen | 11:03 |
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| pupnik | hah | 11:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder how long they keep phones on their shop usually, like N900 http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534 | 11:08 |
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| lofty306 | im in th eus its gone off the shop | 11:09 |
| lofty306 | the us | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I'm too stupid | 11:11 |
| lofty306 | ?/ | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | (opm | 11:12 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: they have the english keyboard in the picture - sourced from nokia.co.uk shop | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: heh, funny | 11:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tech. details >>Vollständige QWERTZ-Tastatur | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus I'm rather sure they had a picture with qwertz some 18 months ago | 11:16 |
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| pupnik | Have you heard anything about later models having better speakers? | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 11:17 |
| pupnik | I've heard later models have more durable keyboards | 11:17 |
| pupnik | can't confirm it tho | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the keymat might be harder plastic | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems my new keymats don't wear as easily as the original qwertz did | 11:18 |
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| pupnik | can you order a engl/uk keymat somewhere DocScrutinizer ? | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not like qwertz keymat would like like my N810 :-D | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did | 11:19 |
| pupnik | where ? | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | saremi | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | www.saremi-mobilfunk.de | 11:21 |
| pupnik | ty | 11:21 |
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| pupnik | wow they sell a nokia n900 dummy phone | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/like like/look like/ | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | most probably quite worth it | 11:22 |
| pupnik | great store, thanks | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | might come with keymat, slide mech, back cover, whatnot else | 11:23 |
| pupnik | nice honeypot too | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | URGH, ASK 6.74 | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 11:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer says byebye to his virtual cash invested in NOK | 11:34 | |
| Venemo_N900 | morning | 11:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | so now is the time to buy nokia stock? :P | 11:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | if I had money, I would :P | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a moment, just going down further :-P | 11:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | how much has it fallen yet? | 11:35 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: time to buy more then! :) | 11:35 |
| kerio | wait until it's fixed at the bottom | 11:36 |
| kerio | then buy a shitton | 11:36 |
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| kerio | as a matter of fact... | 11:36 |
| kerio | buy 51% of nokia and kick elop's ass | 11:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | agreed | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody heard you :-D | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | that might not be available on the market :) | 11:37 |
| jonwil | Even if every N900 owner kicked in every cent they had, it wouldn't be anywhere near enough for enough shares to actually be able to have any influence | 11:38 |
| FauxFaux | Everything's for sale for enough money... including te lives of people who disagree with that statement. | 11:38 |
| jonwil | hmmm, well I have the Cell Broadcast SMS and I can get ofono to correctly decode the test SMS from test-sms.c | 11:39 |
| jonwil | but I cant figure out exactly which bytes of my dumped SMS need to go where in order for ofono to decode it | 11:40 |
| jonwil | Lets read the ofono source code and see how it parses the CBS packet | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: wow | 11:40 |
| jonwil | wow what? | 11:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | now that everyone's disappointed, maybe we should find some insider who will give us the closed code | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow for " I can get ofono to correctly decode", missed the rest | 11:41 |
| jonwil | just figured it out | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems to me sms-cb has a different format than usual sms-pp | 11:42 |
| jonwil | yes it does | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | something like "up to 15 pages of 96" | 11:42 |
| jonwil | the point is that thanks to ofono we have code to correctly decode the SMS_GSM_CB_MESSAGE | 11:43 |
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| jonwil | WOW, its displaying something | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: :) | 11:43 |
| jonwil | Its displaying "Victoria | 11:44 |
| jonwil | and I live in Victoria Park | 11:44 |
| jonwil | so it must be right | 11:44 |
| jonwil | Let me try with this other one | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats! | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | GSM_XY_MESSAGE always parsing like GSM_GARBAGE when focusing somewhere else :-D | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I knew you'll get it :-D | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you're always way too pessimistic | 11:45 |
| crashanddie | OK, wtf. | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: wazzup? your vodka frozen? | 11:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: ? | 11:46 |
| jonwil | this doesn't help us support it in userspace though | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | I get a call, "Hi, I was told you were one of the stakeholders in a Call Centre Management server, you deal mainly with VoIP and SIP, correct?" Me: "err, correct". | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | Then he goes "I'm selling some text recognition software, would you be interested in integrating it into your server?" | 11:46 |
| range | Yay for video phones. | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | I'm still trying to figure out how the fuck we're going to sell "VoIP Text Recognition" | 11:48 |
| jonwil | now it prints "Kensington" which is another suburb in my area | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you ever checked all the friggin *.db if those SM CB maybe pile up there, and dbus signal is just a pointer to the new record? | 11:48 |
| jonwil | no, they definatly dont end up in any database | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jonwil: As to UI - how about a simple thingy that dumps it on stdout? | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | for a start, at least. | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: why didn't you just say no? | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe they pile up in cmt storage and you need to pull? | 11:49 |
| crashanddie | Venemo_N900, I never said yes ;) | 11:49 |
| jonwil | nope, they dont pile up in CMT storage | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: :) | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 11:49 |
| jonwil | I can confirm that I get the right data (or something resembling the right data) from packets sent between the cellmo and AP | 11:49 |
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| jonwil | which is what I am dumping with tcpdump | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so do the dbus signals differ? | 11:50 |
| jonwil | I can confirm data gets passed to IncomingCBS | 11:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - so not really a possible sane solution, if you need tcpdump as yet | 11:50 |
| jonwil | all we need is to figure out why the data coming into IncomingCBS is bogus | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...for Victora and Kensington? | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil | 11:51 |
| SpeedEvil | oow | 11:51 |
| jonwil | time to test something in my old phone just to see what the actual cell tower names are | 11:53 |
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| jonwil | Should be enough battery in this thing to get it to boot and display the cell tower name | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | byebye apt, hope to see you soon infoboot | 11:59 |
| jonwil | well that was a bust, the phone didnt have enough battery to be usefull and give me a tower name | 12:00 |
| jonwil | and I cant be stuffed finding the charger :P | 12:01 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 12:01 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like Victoria is the correct name (there seems to be a limit on the # of characters allowed for a cell broadcast SMS tower ID/name) | 12:02 |
| jonwil | On my new carrier that I only just switched to, the tower is called EastvicPark | 12:03 |
| jonwil | language is listed as en :) | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's treated somehat special afaik | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | Sooo, gentlemen, what are today's news? | 12:04 |
| jonwil | well the latest news is that I can now dump any Cell Broadcast SMS that my carrier may send | 12:04 |
| jonwil | and then decode that message | 12:05 |
| jonwil | I can also decode any message someone else may dump | 12:05 |
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| jonwil | is there a text editor for the N900? | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | vi | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | What more do you need? | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - if you're one of these new-fangled types, there is vim. | 12:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Heh | 12:14 |
| kerio | emacs!!!!!!!1!1 | 12:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mcedit ;-D | 12:15 |
| khertan_ | KhtEditor | 12:16 |
| khertan_ | http://khertan.net/khteditor | 12:16 |
| khertan_ | :) | 12:16 |
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| rzr | khertan_: backported to diablo ? | 12:19 |
| khertan_ | ah ... sorry ;) | 12:19 |
| rzr | kerio: do u use emacs on nit ? | 12:19 |
| khertan_ | does qt 4.7 run on Diablo ? | 12:19 |
| kerio | no | 12:19 |
| kerio | i use emacs on my laptop | 12:19 |
| khertan_ | else i suggest PyGTKEditor | 12:19 |
| rzr | same here | 12:19 |
| khertan_ | :) | 12:19 |
| rzr | i use leafpad, but it sucks :( | 12:20 |
| rzr | i wish i can use a text editor which i can run grep in it | 12:20 |
| khertan_ | vim | 12:20 |
| khertan_ | :) | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: would you mind to toss over the exact tcpdump line, so I can send you some SM CB on chan 221 containing things like roughly 5543411365 | 12:20 |
| jonwil | I dont need any more SMS CB right now | 12:20 |
| jonwil | any more dumps that is | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 12:21 |
| rzr | khertan_: wasnt there gvim available ? | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's the channel your Victoria is sent in? | 12:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan_: if you don't use 4.7 specific stuff, then you should be able to compile for N8x0 too | 12:21 |
| jonwil | 50 | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds about correct | 12:22 |
| jonwil | all the cell broadcast cell tower ID messages I have send channel 50 | 12:22 |
| khertan_ | Venemo_N900, i don't use specifics stuff | 12:22 |
| khertan_ | but some stuff on 4.6 maemo5 was bugged | 12:22 |
| rzr | like ? | 12:22 |
| khertan_ | and ... it s python | 12:22 |
| khertan_ | so i should test it one day | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan_: then it should work | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you aren't interested in chan 221, ok | 12:22 |
| rzr | khertan_: i can help to port it , if you add a grep plugin :) | 12:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan_: I #if'd out the animation framework and it works | 12:23 |
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| MohammadAG | honest question | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | isn't today the day they shoiuld announce the N9? | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe. | 12:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Might even show up in Ballmers paw, running w7 | 12:55 |
| javispedro | I wouldnt expect it | 12:55 |
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| javispedro | i am the nokia dev event | 12:55 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I do not expect the N9 to be launched anytime soon. | 12:55 |
| javispedro | *at the dev event | 12:56 |
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| javispedro | well | 12:56 |
| javispedro | she just said there will be a big surprise this afternoon | 12:56 |
| javispedro | yet I wouldnt expect it to be the n9 | 12:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Probably not. | 12:56 |
| alterego | Any interesting news today? | 12:57 |
| javispedro | ah surprise is now | 12:57 |
| javispedro | free devices | 12:57 |
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| lardman | javispedro: are you there? | 12:57 |
| timeless | javispedro: ooh, how'd you get to the event? | 12:58 |
| lardman | and what are the freebies? | 12:58 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders what the free devices are. | 12:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | W7 branded boots? | 12:59 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: Nokia N9 with WP7 :P | 12:59 |
| * lofty306 shreeks and covers his ears | 12:59 | |
| * alterego will, from now on, call Nokia and Microsoft "The Empire". | 12:59 | |
| javispedro | nokia e7 | 12:59 |
| * lardman mow remembers why he gave up on Extras last time | 13:00 | |
| alterego | javispedro: you're f'cking kidding? sweet! | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 13:00 |
| lofty306 | run by an exx M$ exec | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: that's not news | 13:00 |
| pupnik | why lardman ? | 13:00 |
| timeless | Venemo_N900: you got one for free last week? | 13:00 |
| lardman | pupnik: because the people commenting on the packages are rather abrupt, rude even | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless: no | 13:00 |
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| timeless | well, then getting one for free this week would be news | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless: I saw an E7 a few months ago. N900 is superior to it | 13:00 |
| alterego | lardman: yeah, can happen :/ | 13:00 |
| timeless | we gave away n900s months after sales, e.g. at gnome and kde events iirc | 13:01 |
| lofty306 | well what i read was thee is a meego device still in works weather n9 or tablet? | 13:01 |
| lofty306 | who knows | 13:01 |
| timeless | lofty306: s/weather/whether/ | 13:01 |
| lofty306 | haha | 13:01 |
| pupnik | Venemo_N900: e7 looks beautiful, how is n900 superior? | 13:02 |
| lofty306 | atleast im not typoing every other word today | 13:02 |
| timeless | pupnik: non lame ui stack | 13:02 |
| timeless | non lame applications | 13:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | pupnik: E7 looks nice and has a nice keybd | 13:02 |
| timeless | non lame edges | 13:02 |
| pupnik | ehm, so no maemo for e7 eh | 13:02 |
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| timeless | the edges past where the screen slides up suck actually | 13:02 |
| timeless | i used one recently | 13:02 |
| pupnik | they get in the way of typing? | 13:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | pupnik: E7 has lowres screen, slower cpu and worse camera afaik. | 13:03 |
| timeless | oh, there's one nice thing about the e7 (and presumably any related things) | 13:03 |
| timeless | if you type fn-5;fn-8;fn-5, it will search by phone lettering and find things like 'jukka' | 13:03 |
| * timeless liked that feature | 13:04 | |
| * javispedro didn't get free device | 13:04 | |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I see | 13:04 |
| * timeless vaguely recalls asking about it in the past | 13:04 | |
| timeless | javispedro: :(, why not? | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: $10 if you get it booting meego. | 13:04 |
| javispedro | mostly because I sneaked in =) | 13:04 |
| pupnik | well if it had 800x480 and linux, i'd consider it | 13:04 |
| alterego | So apparently they're shutting down the Tampere facility. | 13:04 |
| timeless | alterego: good ridance | 13:04 |
| tybollt | hang down your head meee-goooo poor boy you're bound to die... | 13:05 |
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| javispedro | either way, symbian device. wtf? | 13:05 |
| alterego | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nokia-workers-walk-out-in-protest-20110211 | 13:05 |
| danuz | hi there | 13:05 |
| timeless | javispedro: "snuck" fwiw | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It's the OS of the future! | 13:05 |
| danuz | guys I get this stupid error: | 13:05 |
| danuz | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 13:05 |
| danuz | do you know why? my sources.list is ok | 13:05 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | Of course, Nokia have to give away Symbian devices now ;-) | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | Free N8s in London last week, IIRC | 13:06 |
| * jonwil wouldn't use a N8 if someone PAID me to use it | 13:06 | |
| tybollt | aren't there going to be a whole bunch of rather pissed off symbian users? | 13:06 |
| alterego | Ah, probably bogus | 13:06 |
| maybeArgh | so that's how they plan to "sell" 150m in 2011 | 13:06 |
| tybollt | or irrate developers that were gearing up to catch two platforms w/ the one QT api? | 13:06 |
| alterego | Jaffa: why does no one tell me this! :( | 13:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | jonwil: :D | 13:07 |
| lofty306 | anyone go postal yet? | 13:07 |
| pupnik | i don't see where there is space for a cpu and battery on he E7 | 13:07 |
| danuz | anyone? | 13:08 |
| lardman | danuz: don't worry about that | 13:08 |
| danuz | lardman: uhm why? is just a warning? | 13:08 |
| lardman | danuz: your encryption key is not available to check the download, or something like that | 13:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | danuz: warning is not error | 13:09 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:09 |
| danuz | ok | 13:09 |
| danuz | cool | 13:09 |
| * javispedro fails to see known maemo faces | 13:09 | |
| danuz | :) | 13:09 |
| danuz | thank you guys | 13:09 |
| tybollt | has there been a definite scrap announcement of the harmattan project? | 13:09 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening | 13:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: any news about meego/maemo there? | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | Good day I mean | 13:10 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: tjenis | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | I finally got myself a new phone today | 13:10 |
| javispedro | nothing interesting yet | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | I opted for the HTC Desire HD | 13:10 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: android? | 13:10 |
| tybollt | uhuh | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: Yes, android | 13:10 |
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| tybollt | fwiw the little brother has the better screen - though | 13:11 |
| pupnik | so when you getting maemo running on it :) | 13:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | javispedro: have you been at Intel's stand yet? | 13:11 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: I should get Maemo running on it? :D | 13:11 |
| javispedro | yeah Venemo, saw nothing | 13:11 |
| javispedro | will go back there after lunch | 13:11 |
| DrGrov | How the hell do I charge the damn battery on this ? | 13:11 |
| DrGrov | I tried plugging it into the wall socket and the cables but it seems like it is "dead".... | 13:12 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: plug the usb-cable? | 13:12 |
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| DrGrov | tybollt: Yes, I plugged the usb cable. | 13:12 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: Put it in the wall and nothing, absolutely nothing. | 13:12 |
| lofty306 | heh | 13:12 |
| tybollt | have you put a dead goat in the fridge and danced the voodo dance? | 13:12 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: LOL | 13:12 |
| * lofty306 hands DrGrov a hammer | 13:12 | |
| DrGrov | Does it usually take long before the phone actually starts charging? | 13:13 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: try your n900 charger to make sure it is not a DOA charger | 13:13 |
| javispedro | oh finally a known face | 13:13 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: Don't have my N900 anymore | 13:13 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: Can I use a Samsung Galaxy S charger? | 13:13 |
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| lardman | would be nice to have some sort of statement from Nokia about the direction of Meego | 13:14 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: sure you can | 13:15 |
| tybollt | long as it is microusb | 13:15 |
| lofty306 | rthey all work if microusb | 13:15 |
| lardman | lol http://www.devicemag.com/2011/02/14/mwc-2011-adobe-flash-10-2-on-handsets-soon/ | 13:15 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: Ok, I will try | 13:15 |
| alterego | lardman: didn't that already happen? But yeah, something concrete would be good .. | 13:15 |
| lardman | alterego: well there was a generic overview saying that Meego would become some sort of research entity, but would be nice to know what sort, fot the employees as well as interested outsiders I'd have thought | 13:16 |
| chem|st | lardman: we have a statement | 13:17 |
| lardman | http://www.slashgear.com/intel-meego-teaser-tips-mwc-2011-smartphone-tablet-reveal-13133115/ | 13:17 |
| alterego | I would like Elop: "I'm a dickhead, MS ftw, we want to kill any chance of a real FOSS mobile platform. It's just too much to have 3 large contenders to pitch WP7 against." | 13:17 |
| lardman | chem|st: you're a Nokian? | 13:17 |
| chem|st | lardman: no but elop said something about a market distracting meego device this year... | 13:17 |
| lofty306 | hahaa | 13:17 |
| lardman | chem|st: oh right, must have missed that bit | 13:18 |
| alterego | Heh, "market distracting"? :/ | 13:18 |
| lardman | chem|st: market distracting, what does that mean? | 13:18 |
| alterego | You mean like "wtf is this scht!?" | 13:18 |
| lofty306 | gets in the waay of wp777 | 13:18 |
| lofty306 | err... | 13:18 |
| RST38h | lardman: The funny part was when Elop was saying "we" referring to Microsoft | 13:18 |
| lardman | like "make them look that way while we all bugger off with M$ in the other"? | 13:18 |
| javispedro | seemingly they also gave out n8 | 13:18 |
| chem|st | alterego: no one knows yet what he means by "distracting" but he uses "distracting" and "meego" a lot in the very same sentences | 13:18 |
| RST38h | lardman: In some statement where he said that "we" give Nokia a lot of value | 13:18 |
| lardman | ah lol | 13:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: have you seen http://www.msqt.org/ ? | 13:19 |
| pupnik | good catch, RST38h | 13:19 |
| lardman | well tomorrow it is for the Intel reveal then according to that link | 13:19 |
| chem|st | afaiu will winMobile replace symbian and not the meego strategy | 13:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: Took me a few minutes trying to parse the sentence looking for some reasonable interpretation, but no, he definitely referred to MS as "we" | 13:19 |
| khertan_ | chem|st, so why reduce meego budget | 13:19 |
| khertan_ | ? | 13:19 |
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| chem|st | khertan_: where is that stated? that's rumours isn't it? | 13:20 |
| khertan_ | chem|st, no it was one of the graphics | 13:20 |
| khertan_ | show | 13:20 |
| khertan_ | not rumours | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | link pls | 13:21 |
| timeless | chem|st: not "distracting", "disrupting" | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | chem|st: no, there was some investments webpage about it | 13:21 |
| chem|st | timeless: oh sorry... | 13:21 |
| timeless | chem|st: the rest of the statement still holds :) | 13:21 |
| lardman | X-Fade: have to pop out, but mBarcode is still blocked on mbarcode-plugin-ii; were you able to remove it from the repo? Any other ideas? | 13:21 |
| timeless | but getting the right english word is somewhat important | 13:21 |
| chem|st | timeless: ain't gettin younger... | 13:21 |
| khertan_ | chem|st, i m look for it | 13:22 |
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| chem|st | timeless: sure but does not make that a difference in this case does it | 13:22 |
| alterego | Vene | 13:22 |
| alterego | urm .. meh .. | 13:22 |
| khertan_ | they deface also the nokia.com web site | 13:22 |
| khertan_ | ouch | 13:22 |
| timeless | khertan_: eh? | 13:23 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/elop_not_an_ms_trojan/ <-- hmm | 13:23 |
| khertan_ | timeless, nokia + ms :) | 13:24 |
| timeless | khertan_: nokia's web site has always looked like crap | 13:24 |
| timeless | at least now it isn't animated | 13:24 |
| khertan_ | timeless, no it s worse now :) | 13:24 |
| DrGrov | What might the problem? | 13:24 |
| timeless | it's actually less crappy for it | 13:24 |
| DrGrov | Not even the phone gets turned on | 13:24 |
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| khertan_ | you connect to nokia.com and the first thing you see is : Microsoft | 13:25 |
| khertan_ | :) | 13:25 |
| khertan_ | well place in the middle of the screen | 13:25 |
| jonwil | Good News Everyone. I am 100% sure that I can get Cell Broadcast SMS working. | 13:25 |
| chem|st | looking at E7 design... would make a good start for meego/harmattan but pls replace the touchscreen with a resistive one | 13:25 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: You think the whole device is borked? | 13:25 |
| khertan_ | chem|st, you were true ... i didn't found any source i can trust about reduce of Meego R&D Budget | 13:25 |
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| pupnik | jonwil: is that a feature N900 doesn't have now? | 13:26 |
| jonwil | yep its not present in N900 | 13:26 |
| chem|st | khertan_: that's what I read... just rumours... and harmattan sounds like testing already... | 13:26 |
| * chem|st thinks that there will be a harmattan device before any windows one | 13:26 | |
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| jonwil | What I am seeing with the IncomingCBS dbus signal is either that A.I am wiring up the dbus signal wrong or B.(and this is definatly possible based on what I see with IDA) there is a bug in the SMS code | 13:26 |
| khertan_ | chem|st, of course ... | 13:27 |
| chem|st | jonwil: what is the purpose? | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: \o/ | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: purpose of SMS-CB? | 13:28 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yep... | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wikipedia "cell broadcast" | 13:28 |
| chem|st | never recieved on on other phones... | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe just because you never enabled the feature :-P | 13:28 |
| * timeless remembers a McDonalds in downtown Prague that used SMS-CB | 13:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, location based commercial sms-cb | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | coooooolshit | 13:29 |
| chem|st | lol | 13:30 |
| chem|st | ok now I get it | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though it's designet to serve that purpose as well, I never heard of a real implementation | 13:30 |
| chem|st | I thought the other way round at first | 13:30 |
| chem|st | does it enable us to send BCs? | 13:31 |
| chem|st | or just receive? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody ever enables you to *send* SM CB | 13:31 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_mwc_investor_assurances/ <-- hehe | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a one-to-many broadcast BTS-originated | 13:31 |
| rmrfchik | http://mxr.meego.com wtf??? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf wtf? | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | down? | 13:32 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: jebba got annoyed | 13:32 |
| rmrfchik | check it out | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | new? up? good? porn? | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 13:32 |
| rmrfchik | porn | 13:32 |
| timeless | soft porn | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHURHJ!!! | 13:32 |
| rmrfchik | i consider this hard pr0n | 13:32 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: IBM or Oracle might be hard porn | 13:33 |
| _berto_ | rmrfchik: wtf is that? | 13:33 |
| timeless | _berto_: it's supposed to be like mxr.maemo.org | 13:33 |
| rmrfchik | _berto_: you tell me ;) | 13:33 |
| timeless | but for meego.com | 13:33 |
| timeless | but its' currently making a statement | 13:33 |
| _berto_ | ah yeah | 13:33 |
| timeless | s/its'/it's/ | 13:33 |
| infobot | timeless meant: but it's currently making a statement | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT IS TOO MUCH, MICROSOFT!! | 13:33 |
| timeless | namely: nokia moved on; and MeeGo hosting hasn't happened yet even though it was promised about half a year ago | 13:34 |
| timeless | note: this isn't my statement, i have no control over it | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet intel and Linux foundation must feel pissed about THAT SHIT | 13:35 |
| timeless | (the service you can't see because of the statement is mine, but as it's hosted by someone else, i'm at the mercy of him and he feels the need to make a statement) | 13:35 |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: i doubt it | 13:35 |
| timeless | they control dns for meego.com, they could kill it if they cared | 13:35 |
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| timeless | they believe very few users visit the site and thus it isn't a priority | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WHAT THE F*CK??!! | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | M$ actively sabotaging meego now?= | 13:36 |
| chem|st | "it resembles Symbian circa 2001" | 13:36 |
| ruskie | hehe | 13:36 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, you expected something else? | 13:37 |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: no, that was nokia | 13:37 |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: meego.com is supposed to be hosted @OSU | 13:37 |
| chem|st | you wanna get told something sweet or the truth? | 13:37 |
| Veggen | I lost my Nokia N900 in a taxi on vacation two weeks ago... | 13:37 |
| timeless | but it was hosted mostly at some ISP | 13:37 |
| Veggen | Now I'm not sure I want a new one. | 13:37 |
| timeless | and they were taking too long adding services | 13:37 |
| timeless | so i arranged to get third party hosting and they agreed to provide a CNAME | 13:38 |
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| timeless | ACadambi: interesting host you've got there | 13:38 |
| ACadambi | ?? | 13:38 |
| ACadambi | timeless: ?? | 13:39 |
| ruskie | lol | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, lemme tell you one thing. If ever I'd been interested in meego, and clicked THAT page, you know what happened to my notion about meego, you do, no? | 13:39 |
| timeless | [13:38] == ACadambi [~ACadambi@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com] has joined #maemo | 13:39 |
| ACadambi | ah.. | 13:39 |
| ACadambi | timeless: not a crime, is it? | 13:39 |
| timeless | DocScrutinizer: if i was ever interested in nokia or maemo and i ever clicked a link to either site, i'd have lost interest immediately | 13:39 |
| chem|st | ACadambi: close to... | 13:40 |
| timeless | ACadambi: absolutely not :) | 13:40 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 13:40 |
| timeless | ACadambi: i happen to like a number of their products | 13:40 |
| timeless | and i respect their ability to convert losers into profit | 13:40 |
| timeless | (something many others totally fail @) | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | .oO(you arent looking at µsoft are you?!) | 13:40 |
| ACadambi | timeless: so you are saying nokia would have been better off with Oracle? :p | 13:40 |
| lofty306 | hehe | 13:41 |
| chem|st | lol | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 13:41 |
| timeless | ACadambi: i'd imagine that if oracle bought nokia, they'd have done something similar | 13:41 |
| timeless | i.e. killed most of the groups | 13:41 |
| chem|st | noone would ever pay 2k for a smartphone... | 13:41 |
| timeless | and found a path to make money | 13:41 |
| lofty306 | they would of probably junked meego rite off | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially for the cute embedded desktop Oracle has to offer :-D | 13:41 |
| timeless | lofty306: s/rite/right/ | 13:41 |
| lofty306 | thnx | 13:42 |
| xkr47 | chem|st, few years ago most people wouldn't have paid 400e for a smartphone | 13:42 |
| ACadambi | well, I happen to love my N900 and maemo...In hindsight, would have even paid more for the phone.. | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll never pay 4 cent for any M$ product | 13:42 |
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| xkr47 | yes | 13:43 |
| lofty306 | i told myself i was buying a laptop | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless needed for business with my customers | 13:43 |
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| ruskie | ACadambi, well I payed 620eur for my n900 | 13:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer still shuddering | 13:43 | |
| ruskie | bought it direct from nokia without an operator in between | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | too much M$ impact in the early morning | 13:44 |
| timeless | ruskie: you paid the "i'm a stupid european" tax :) | 13:44 |
| ruskie | timeless, lol... | 13:44 |
| ACadambi | ruskie: I bought direct as well, but not at that price. | 13:44 |
| timeless | ruskie: it's cheaper in USD :) | 13:44 |
| * lofty306 hands DocScrutinizer some advil | 13:44 | |
| ruskie | timeless, basically I don't mind paying taxes... ;) | 13:44 |
| timeless | clearly | 13:45 |
| * timeless heads out | 13:45 | |
| blackthorne | i bought in the store, new for 200eur | 13:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders adopting the habit to add 25% of Cuban Rum to his first 2..3 latte macciato | 13:45 | |
| Arkenoi | http://mxr.meego.com omfg | 13:46 |
| ruskie | Arkenoi, yup | 13:46 |
| lofty306 | yep | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK! you'll regret it! | 13:46 |
| ruskie | timeless, also this was like the day they got them in stock here... | 13:46 |
| * alterego clicks the link | 13:47 | |
| * Arkenoi fist smartphone was $1K+ | 13:48 | |
| alterego | I'm not getting anything. | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: don't worry, I payed as much, but some 3 months+ in advance | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ha | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mo moh! | 13:48 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, ahhh I actually wanted to play with it first... | 13:48 |
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| ruskie | managed to play with a demo unit that they got a couple of weeks before they had for sale stock | 13:49 |
| ruskie | and I liked it there and then... | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, morning | 13:49 |
| rmrfchik | Arkenoi: slowpoke detected | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: got breakfast? If so, don't click THAT LINK! | 13:50 |
| lofty306 | hehehee | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not, don't do it either :-P | 13:50 |
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| deno | hi there | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, maybe this'll help http://i55.tinypic.com/2ihtatl.jpg | 13:50 |
| deno | can you tell me how to recompile the power-kernel? | 13:51 |
| deno | I tried: | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: congrats, you got a very nice crapfilter in your browser | 13:51 |
| deno | make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51_defconfig | 13:51 |
| deno | but I got errors | 13:51 |
| deno | when compiling | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I already did :P | 13:51 |
| deno | I tried also: make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51power_defconfig | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's a low move by MS | 13:52 |
| alterego | :/ | 13:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG a bucket with water and a cleaning rag | 13:52 | |
| alterego | How the fuck ... | 13:52 |
| lofty306 | what did nokia have dns for it or something? | 13:53 |
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| deno | ? | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | deno, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b is the easiest way | 13:55 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I use, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 13:56 |
| alterego | :P | 13:56 |
| deno | uhm | 13:56 |
| deno | ok | 13:56 |
| deno | I'll try it thanks :) | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, "-r" makes it longer :P | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: i think jebba just set back any trust in volunteers giving server space a year :) <CosmoHill> jebba has cocked it up for the rest of us | 13:57 |
| deno | I got this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt sdk-fiasco-gen libncurses5-dev sharutils uboot-mkimage u-boot-for-power-kernel | 13:57 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: it's "safer" :P | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | what did jebba do? | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mxr.meego.com. 84865 IN CNAME mxr.moego.org. | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get build-dep kernel-power | 13:58 |
| deno | MohammadAG, what is that command? | 13:58 |
| deno | I have modified a .c file of the kernel | 13:58 |
| deno | and now I want to compile it | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | fetches build dependencies | 13:59 |
| deno | k | 13:59 |
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| MohammadAG | actually | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | put a fakeroot behind that command | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | just to be sure | 14:00 |
| deno | next error: E: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found | 14:00 |
| deno | ah ok | 14:00 |
| deno | now I'll try it | 14:00 |
| deno | same error | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Domain Name:MOEGO.ORG | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Created On:19-Feb-2010 19:34:27 UTC | 14:04 |
| javispedro | it exists!! | 14:04 |
| javispedro | the tablet ux!!! | 14:04 |
| javispedro | ive played with it | 14:04 |
| javispedro | quite snappy | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Admin Name:Direct Privacy LTD Direct Privacy ID | 14:04 |
| javispedro | a bit different than the older meegos | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IP range is M$ though | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | deno read sdk instructions | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot, maemosdk | 14:05 |
| infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 14:05 |
| deno | MohammadAG, I installed correctly | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | you don't have the nokia-binaries repo | 14:06 |
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| deno | uhm | 14:06 |
| deno | MohammadAG, yes I have them | 14:07 |
| deno | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/mykey nokia-binaries | 14:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | damn it! I keep getting "Network connection error. Try again?" on my n900 for this crappy linksys AP. I can connect with my laptop (linux) but the n900 won't budge and it lacks iwconfig so I'm clueless as to how to make it connect manually. | 14:09 |
| tybollt | 5~ | 14:09 |
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| BCMM | Shapeshifter: anything good in dmesg? | 14:10 |
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| _berto_ | Shapeshifter: try changing the power saving settings on the n900 | 14:11 |
| _berto_ | at least the N8x0 had issues with that IIRC | 14:11 |
| Shapeshifter | BCMM: wl1251: down, wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 25 rx blocks at 0x3a780, wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7), wl1251: down <-- all this 3 times | 14:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if jebba played a prank on meego, or if ARIN / M$ fscked jebba | 14:11 | |
| BCMM | yeah, try powersaving, though in my experience that's more likely to manifest as random disconnections when idle rather than a failure to connect in the first place | 14:12 |
| Shapeshifter | _berto_: trying now, although I know the n900 eats battery like hell without power saving wlan. I'm sure it's the crappy AP, since my laptop also sometimes fails to connect using netcfg, so I have to manually associate and dhcpcd and so on. I can get a super connection with my n900 to the free wlan from the hotel across the street >.> | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: lacks iwconfig? | 14:13 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: for some reason, crappy APs love telling the n900 they can do power-saving when they can't | 14:13 |
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| BCMM | i have iwconfig, do you need to fix your PATH? | 14:14 |
| Shapeshifter | oh, where is it? | 14:14 |
| _berto_ | Shapeshifter: at least try to see if that's the problem | 14:14 |
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| BCMM | maemo is one of those distros that protects the normal user from accidentally discovering sbin... that always annoys me | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my N900 falls out of DHCP server in router all the time, though it keeps the local addr and seems fine on pings | 14:14 |
| Shapeshifter | ah wait. yeah, dmesg says "ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up" | 14:14 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: /sbin/iwconfig | 14:15 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: congratulations, you have a router with a worse power-saving implementation than mine :) | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...as long as your local ARP table has it | 14:15 |
| Arkenoi | Is there VNC server for maemo? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's friggin weird | 14:15 |
| BCMM | Arkenoi: x11vnc | 14:15 |
| BCMM | Arkenoi: (that's for sharing the "real" display, not creating a wholy virtual desktop) | 14:16 |
| _berto_ | Shapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=245185&postcount=5 | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | BCMM: this AP is total rubbish... | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | BCMM: the admin interface needs minutes for anything to load | 14:16 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: what, *every* time? | 14:16 |
| Arkenoi | BCMM, well, better than nothing. It would be much more useful if i could run, say, messaging app to remote X server, but it does not seem to be possible :-( | 14:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | BCMM: yes, no matter what I do. And sometimes it starts telling my n900 that the wpa key is wrong and I have to enter it several times | 14:17 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: when mine does that, i just reboot it since that means someone has done something like configure a BT client stupidly and the connection tracking has eaten all the RAM and died | 14:17 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: wow, your AP sounds untrustworthy enough to constitute a fire risk... | 14:18 |
| lofty306 | how aanoyiing | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | Turned power saving off, still gives me the same error -.- It sometimes worked in the past btw. | 14:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm still trying to reach the 'firmware upgrade' menu to see if there's a new version | 14:19 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: does the router have a way to turn off power-saving at its end? | 14:20 |
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| lofty306 | or a 3rd party firmware? | 14:20 |
| Shapeshifter | no. I cannot choose much. channel and transmission standard | 14:20 |
| BCMM | also, how did you disable it for the n900? advanced edit of the network connection in systemsettings? | 14:20 |
| Shapeshifter | http://login.icu.uzh.ch/~archer/linksys.png and this stuff | 14:21 |
| Shapeshifter | BCMM: yes, exactly | 14:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh, newest firmware already | 14:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | uh, restarted n900, works first try | 14:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | btw, dmesg says Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | 14:26 |
| Shapeshifter | lazy nokia! | 14:26 |
| flux | they should've added BUG or similar. who spends time on fixing warnings? | 14:28 |
| Shapeshifter | probably the powersaving setting didn't get saved properly or something | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | since it still gave the error in dmesg even though I had it turned off | 14:29 |
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| Oli`` | Anybody know if there's a changelog for today's Community SSU update? | 14:31 |
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| ruskie | what community ssu update? | 14:35 |
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| Jaffa | ~CSSU | 14:36 |
| infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 14:36 |
| Jaffa | Oli``: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=945974&postcount=605 - if you could update http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog (if it hasn't already), that'd be *enormously* appreciated and an easy way of giving back to the developers | 14:37 |
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| Oli`` | Jaffa: thank you | 14:37 |
| ruskie | hmm interesting | 14:39 |
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| ruskie | I should switch to that | 14:41 |
| ruskie | but I think I'd need to reflash the entire device for it to actually work effectively... I'm running with only a few MBs free on / for some reason... and haven't yet went exploring on what packge is abusing that(don't even know where to start with that)... | 14:43 |
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| thp | Jaffa: http://www.mwkn.net/2011/07/download.html still contains "lead-in" at some point - i guess that's a placeholder crying for replacement? ;) | 14:44 |
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| Oli`` | ruskie: you could install the Faster Application Manager. It makes removing lots of things at once pretty simple and fast (rather than HAM's: remove, reload package list, remove, reload package list, pain) | 14:45 |
| thp | Jaffa: at the start of "Work to get cell broadcast messages working on N900" to be exact | 14:45 |
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| ruskie | Oli``, my default use is apt-get ;) | 14:45 |
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| Oli`` | ruskie: probably where a lot of your / has gone then | 14:46 |
| ruskie | Oli``, nope | 14:46 |
| ruskie | since all the apt metadata is offloaded to the emmc | 14:46 |
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| ruskie | I guess what I'd like to see from a community ssu is ability to have a small / and offload everything else to emmc... | 14:47 |
| LjL-N810 | do you think i should be able to feed fake data to gps programs by writing nmea into /dev/pgps? | 14:47 |
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| thomasvs | Hi. every time I connect my phone to the network my phone slows down to an unusable crawl for roughly 2-3 minutes... what is a good way to debug what's going on in that time ? | 14:48 |
| thomasvs | I see various things happening, like skype updating, apt doing downloading and gzipping (I'd like to turn that off), modest syncing, ... | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | thp: Thanks | 14:52 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Grr, GAN900 replaced the '...' which is checked for with the text "lead-in" :-/ | 14:54 |
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| E0x | why this channel is still open ?!! ( just kidding....) | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | thp: GAN900: Nope, it's more FUBAR than that. | 14:55 |
| E0x | morning all | 14:55 |
| lofty306 | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/intel-shows-off-more-of-its-meego-tablet-ui-still-needs-lots-of/ | 14:57 |
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| LjL-N810 | cant i have the led blink on xchat messages? (n810) | 14:58 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, what's I do? | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: jonwil's article's weird | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Should be fixed | 15:05 |
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| khertan | http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.4.5.465/sdkBinaries/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb | 15:08 |
| khertan | grrrrr | 15:08 |
| khertan | sorry | 15:08 |
| alterego | Heh, | 15:09 |
| alterego | khertan: I see your trollin' :P | 15:09 |
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| khertan | my trollin ? about ? | 15:09 |
| khertan | ah oh the wrong copy paste | 15:10 |
| khertan | nope not a troll just a wrong copy paste | 15:10 |
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| alterego | khertan: I know, I was kidding :P | 15:12 |
| khertan | i ve just update windows in the vm ... and now the vm didn't start anymore | 15:13 |
| khertan | grr | 15:13 |
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| jonwil | slowly making progress with some of my wishlist items | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: "A 22,000-member group for Saudis studying in the US on the social networking website Facebook has been split into two groups, one for women and one for men. The split follows a request from the group's female members who wanted extra privacy." | 15:18 |
| pupnik | http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175352/tomgram%3A_chase_madar%2C_the_trials_of_bradley_manning%2C_a_defense/ [ Why Bradley Manning Is a Patriot, Not a Criminal: An Opening Statement for the Defense of Private Manning ] | 15:19 |
| jonwil | If it turns out that the bug in the SMS code that I suspect is there does turn out to be there, the way it would need to be fixed is to write some new code (either replacing the CBSMS code in csd-sms.so and possibly also libsms.so or replacing csd-sms.so and libsms.so completly) | 15:19 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: "We appreciate your input. Now let us discuss: 25 years or 20 years?" | 15:21 |
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| derf | RST38h: Is that the amount of time until we bother trying him for anything? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | derf: Depends on how likely we are to get a conviction | 15:24 |
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| jacekowski | jonwil: bug/ | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: ? | 15:25 |
| jonwil | I dont know whether the issue is that I am using the IncomingCBS signal wrong | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | jonwil: Top tip for the future, btw - try having a single mailing list thread in which you talk about your SMS stuff rather than about 3 ;-). Makes pointing people to it from MWKN easier ;-) | 15:25 |
| jonwil | or whether there is a bug in the SMS stack | 15:25 |
| jonwil | ok :P) | 15:26 |
| jonwil | :P) | 15:26 |
| jonwil | :) | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | well, i think it's something else | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | because i've seen dbus function called | 15:27 |
| derf | RST38h: Ah, you _are_ Russian. | 15:27 |
| derf | You understand how this works. | 15:27 |
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| jonwil | I can confirm that the dbus call is triggered | 15:27 |
| jonwil | its a matter of whether we are talking to it properly | 15:28 |
| RST38h | derf: Get used to this stuff, looks like American justice department finally learned it | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: as in, you get something with dbus-monitor? | 15:28 |
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| jonwil | yes | 15:28 |
| jonwil | I wrote a program to try and test that signal | 15:28 |
| jonwil | and I get data | 15:29 |
| jonwil | but not what I expect | 15:29 |
| derf | RST38h: They've always know it. What they learned from you is that it's more effective if you don't even pretend to hide what you're doing. | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I asked that before, but... Do the dbus msgs differ for different SM CB? | 15:29 |
| derf | *known | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:30 |
| jonwil | I dont know for sure, its confusing me | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: if you'd pastebin your cmdlines and results, that'd maybe help for others to participate and figure | 15:31 |
| jonwil | I posted what I have to the mailing list | 15:32 |
| jonwil | my dbus test stuff | 15:32 |
| pupnik | "When a friend is in trouble, don't annoy him by asking if there ia anything you can do. think up something appropriate and do it" -Edgar Watson Howe | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 15:32 |
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| jonwil | but yeah if my analysis with IDA is correct, we will likely need a replacement for all or part of libcsd-sms.so, libsms.so or both | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | derf: Yeah, the time is right for it | 15:34 |
| RST38h | derf: In the age of social networks, people appreciate sincerety :) | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: which mail? which list? | 15:35 |
| jonwil | maemo-developer | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry can't find anything showing actual output of dbus-monitor, nor tcpdump nor anything else, incl commands used to produce those | 15:37 |
| jonwil | I posted a sample program that talks to the IncomingCBS signal (or tries to anyway) | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm not able to find anything. Given the relative amount of effort it takes to pastebin a few lines from shell, compared to the 10000 random entries in [maemo-devel] | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 15:39 |
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| LjL-N810 | DocBitter | 15:43 |
| jonwil | /me hopes stskeeps can convince the right people at Nokia to allow publication of some of the packages and info I need to properly and completly implement sms-cb without needing to find an ARM guru to help me reverse engineer stuff (packages like csd-sms-dev, libisi-dev, libsms-dev and others) | 15:45 |
| jonwil | With just a handfull of headers and dev packages I could really bust things open for the Maemo N900 :P | 15:45 |
| jonwil | worst comes to worst we get a "no" or no response at all and we move on | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you're asking for support and docs and... all the time, but you actually aren't really helpful in getting on same level as you are, by e.g. simply sharing a dbus-monitor output. It's extremely annoying to "RE" your anecdotes to imagine what you are just looking at | 15:50 |
| jonwil | My dbus command line is simply dbus-monitor --system | grep -i SMS | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, so if you add the output you got, somebody can actually pick up and reproduce, compare, try to help | 15:52 |
| jonwil | that wont help | 15:52 |
| jonwil | All my real findings are covered by the mail I sent titled "Progress on Cell Broadcast, testing and help needed" | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | SmartQ also switches to Android | 15:58 |
| RST38h | With piezoelectric touch screen too, so you can use nails | 15:59 |
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| stevomanu | yo all | 16:26 |
| stevomanu | just wandering does any1 know what is wrong with the email system at maemo !! | 16:26 |
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| pupnik | is it being switched to MS Exchange? | 16:28 |
| stevomanu | no idea but y emails dont come any more , aint even had a reply from a mod | 16:29 |
| stevomanu | ment my emails | 16:29 |
| pupnik | how did you get a maemo.org email address? | 16:29 |
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| stevomanu | when i make or reply to a post i used to get an email to say if there been a reply . . . they stopped working | 16:33 |
| andre__ | stevomanu: what do you talk about? maemo mailing lists? the maemo mail client? your @maemo.org mail address? | 16:34 |
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| jacekowski | spiritd: you have to follow that thread | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | i think following doesn't happen automatically for like a year or so | 16:35 |
| stevomanu | even new post i have follewed an select instant email Notification still nothing | 16:36 |
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| DrGrov | Found out the problem for the phone not starting | 16:42 |
| DrGrov | There was a minor little plastic thing stuck in between the phone and battery LOL | 16:42 |
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| pupnik | nobody cares DrGrov, take it to #android | 16:45 |
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| DrGrov | pupnik: Sure thing, I knew nobody cares so | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | Yeaaah: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/mars500_landing/ | 17:07 |
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| javispedro | martians!! | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Simulated martians! | 17:08 |
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| javispedro | "The most difficult but the most interesting part of this psychological study of long flights is still ahead: the crew is now faced with another monotonous ‘interplanetary cruise’ without a highlight like the Mars landing to look forward to." | 17:10 |
| javispedro | you know, I would really look forward to a simulated Mars landing... | 17:10 |
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| GAN900 | Maybe we can use Stephen Elop for it. | 17:22 |
| rzr | 6.66 they're doomed now : http://identi.ca/notice/64466194 | 17:23 |
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| deno | hi guys | 17:23 |
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| deno | I have modified a .c file of the power kernel source and now I'm trying to recompile it but without success | 17:25 |
| deno | i tried: cp debian/rx51power_defconfig arch/arm/configs/ | 17:25 |
| deno | make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51power_defconfig | 17:25 |
| deno | make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 bzImage | 17:25 |
| deno | but I got | 17:25 |
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| deno | In file included from arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.c:37: | 17:25 |
| deno | arch/arm/plat-omap/include/mach/pm.h:111:2: error: #error "Power management for this processor not implemented yet" | 17:25 |
| deno | make[1]: *** [arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.o] Error 1 | 17:25 |
| deno | make: *** [arch/arm/mach-omap2] Error 2 | 17:25 |
| deno | I had also tried: make EXTRAVERSION=$(dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -ne 's/^Version: .*-maemo\(.*\)/.10power\1/p') rx51power_defconfig modules_prepare | 17:26 |
| deno | but same errors | 17:26 |
| deno | fakeroot apt-get build-dep kernel-power instead gives me: | 17:26 |
| deno | E: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found | 17:26 |
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| rm_work | lol rzr | 17:30 |
| rzr | this is not funny | 17:30 |
| rzr | i would like to see your face if the beast ring your door | 17:31 |
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| rm_work | my bill at Taco Bell is 6.66 regularly | 17:32 |
| rm_work | one time the cashier lady got so freaked out she gave me 10% off so the total would change | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | rm, you're the pure evil | 17:33 |
| rm_work | lolol | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | and now you always get the same waiting for another 10% discount? :D | 17:33 |
| rm_work | i would always get the same regardless | 17:33 |
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| rm_work | if i recall correctly, it's "two cheesy gordita crunches, a 1/2lb beef&potato burrito, and a soda" | 17:34 |
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| rm_work | just my usual | 17:34 |
| rm_work | happens a lot at other places too for me | 17:35 |
| rm_work | i think it's a confirmation bias thing | 17:35 |
| * rzr rings the vatican | 17:35 | |
| rm_work | it's equally probable given small purchases :P | 17:35 |
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| deno | anyone? | 17:37 |
| GAN900 | Taco Bell, interestingly, has only one menu item without wheat. | 17:38 |
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| lardman | GAN900: that would make my wife unhappy | 17:39 |
| lardman | deno: what are you trying to achieve? | 17:41 |
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| deno | lardman, I have modified a .c file | 17:42 |
| lardman | I realise that, but why? | 17:42 |
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| deno | because I have problems | 17:43 |
| deno | I get an error and I want to bypass it | 17:43 |
| deno | and the only way is to modify the kernel | 17:43 |
| deno | lardman, have you an idea of how to compile it? | 17:43 |
| lardman | yes, but what is the error, it might well help us | 17:44 |
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| lardman | and more importantly what have you modified to stop it from compiling? | 17:44 |
| deno | is about high bandwidth transfers | 17:44 |
| deno | I modified just a /driver/ file | 17:45 |
| lardman | so not the one that is causing the error? | 17:45 |
| deno | I think I gave the wrong command | 17:45 |
| deno | no I don't think so | 17:46 |
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| lardman | did you try a standard debian build? | 17:47 |
| lardman | not sure what the EXTRAVERSION stuff is supposed to do | 17:47 |
| deno | are you saying: compile it without modify the files? | 17:47 |
| deno | Yep me too, I don't know exactly what is the exact command to put it | 17:47 |
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| lardman | I mean modify your driver, but then don;t bother moving the defconfig | 17:48 |
| lardman | I guess you don;t need to alter the defconfig> | 17:48 |
| lardman | ? | 17:48 |
| deno | uhm | 17:49 |
| deno | are you saying to do just the make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 bzImage command? | 17:49 |
| lardman | I've no clue where that EXTRAVERSION stuff comes from | 17:50 |
| lardman | I'd just do "make nameofmydefconfig" | 17:50 |
| deno | I read the maemo-kernel file and there was written to use the EXTRAVERSION stuff.. but I'm not modifying the normal kernel image.. | 17:51 |
| lardman | you're just trying to rebuild a driver on its own? | 17:51 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, both the ground beef and corn tortillas has flour filler. | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | lardman, celiac? | 17:53 |
| lardman | nah just wheat allergy | 17:53 |
| lardman | mild, not anyphlaxis (sp?) | 17:53 |
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| deno | uhm | 17:54 |
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| deno | I have just eliminated something from this file: drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c | 17:55 |
| GAN900 | lardman, yeah, me too. | 17:55 |
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| lardman | and you're apparently not compiling it correctly | 17:55 |
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| lardman | GAN900: though I should probably keep that "mild" comment to myself, or face death ;) | 17:56 |
| deno | yep | 17:56 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_the_kernel | 17:57 |
| lardman | actually that page isn't very good | 17:57 |
| deno | uhm | 17:57 |
| deno | why not? | 17:57 |
| deno | I used it | 17:57 |
| deno | maybe it's that the cause | 17:58 |
| lardman | what device is this btw? | 17:58 |
| deno | is the kinect | 17:58 |
| lardman | ? | 17:58 |
| lardman | What is that? | 17:58 |
| deno | a camera | 17:58 |
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| lardman | running Maemo? | 17:58 |
| deno | no | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hehe. | 17:59 |
| deno | I have to use the nokia with that | 17:59 |
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| lardman | which device are you trying to compile the kernel module for?> | 17:59 |
| GAN900 | lardman, Microsoft Kinect. | 17:59 |
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| lardman | no, please, someone just say the name of a Nokia device | 17:59 |
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| lardman | I'm guessing the 770 in the absence of any other evidence | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | n3310 | 18:00 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | :wave | 18:00 |
| deno | yep | 18:00 |
| eichi | hello. its common, that eCoach does not activate gps by itself? | 18:00 |
| Pitagora | hi all | 18:00 |
| eichi | or a bug on my device? | 18:00 |
| Pitagora | I am new user | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Hello Pitagora. | 18:01 |
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| Pitagora | sorry for my bed english | 18:01 |
| lardman | deno: decide whether you're recompiling the whole kernel or just a module, I guess you'll need to compile the whole kernel if you modify the usb subsystem; look at what the debian/rules file does in your source deb, run the same command or just issue the standard dpkg-buildpackage commant | 18:01 |
| Pitagora | I have got one question | 18:01 |
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| deno | lardman, the standard dpkg-buildstuff command doesn't work :( | 18:02 |
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| lardman | deno: what does it do? Does it have that EXTRAVERSION stuff in it? | 18:02 |
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| Pitagora | I have got samsung galaxy S (android 2.2) can I install maemo on my phone? | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Pitagora: no. | 18:03 |
| Pitagora | why? | 18:03 |
| lardman | Pitagora: no, though Meego is wip | 18:03 |
| deno | lardman, I get this: E: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found | 18:03 |
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| lardman | remove that dep, or simply tell it to override the deps then | 18:03 |
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| deno | uhm | 18:04 |
| deno | k I'll try to figure it out | 18:05 |
| lardman | edit the control file to remove the dep, or just pass the right flag to dpkg-buildpackage to ignore the deps | 18:05 |
| lardman | I can't remember it off the top of my head, but just run the command with -h and it will tell you the options | 18:06 |
| deno | kk | 18:06 |
| Pitagora | lardman: what does mean wip? | 18:06 |
| deno | thank you mate | 18:06 |
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| lardman | work in progress | 18:07 |
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| lardman | Pitagora: are you a developer? | 18:08 |
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| Pitagora | lardman: thank you. When can I install this os on my phone? | 18:08 |
| lardman | I take it not :) | 18:09 |
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| lardman | no idea, you'll have to keep track of the hummingbird page to see how things go | 18:09 |
| lardman | I don't have one, I'm working on the Tab, though similar hw | 18:09 |
| Pitagora | lardman: yes, I am developer | 18:09 |
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| alterego | flowers: check, chocolates: check, card: check, dinner: check | 18:10 |
| * alterego drinks a beer | 18:10 | |
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| lardman | alterego: not sure "drunk before wife/gf" gets home will earn you brownie points ;) | 18:11 |
| alterego | Heh, | 18:11 |
| lardman | oops, slight misquote, but you know what I mean :) | 18:11 |
| alterego | I need it :P | 18:11 |
| luke-jr | alterego: prepend list with 'shower' and append with 'sex'? | 18:11 |
| alterego | luke-jr: hah :) | 18:11 |
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| luke-jr | assuming you're married | 18:11 |
| lardman | s/append/interleave? | 18:11 |
| alterego | No, not married. | 18:11 |
| lardman | pah, you wish | 18:11 |
| Pitagora | lardman: when can I install this os on my phone? | 18:11 |
| lardman | Pitagora: see my response above, once it's working | 18:12 |
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| alterego | I'm going to meet her afterwork in a suit and tie :) | 18:12 |
| alterego | With all the things. | 18:12 |
| luke-jr | and drunk. :p | 18:12 |
| GAN900 | alterego, this the one you were complaining about the other week? | 18:13 |
| lardman | GAN900: he has more than one wife? ;) | 18:13 |
| alterego | GAN900: yeah, | 18:13 |
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| alterego | I'm not married! | 18:13 |
| lardman | ah ok :) | 18:14 |
| jacekowski | alterego: good for you | 18:15 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: best decission you could have made | 18:15 |
| lardman | I bought a bottle of champagne, but as my wife is pregnant went for a small bottle (she'll have a glass, so I'll have to finish the rest - hard life) | 18:15 |
| Pitagora | lardman: why did you ask me if I am a developer? | 18:15 |
| lardman | Pitagora: because then you could help finish it | 18:16 |
| lardman | but small bottles of champagne are really quite expensive for what you get | 18:16 |
| lardman | catch-22 | 18:16 |
| Pitagora | lardman: I am interested | 18:17 |
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| lardman | Pitagora: are you a kernel hacker or have experience with low level Linux setup? | 18:17 |
| Pitagora | lardman: is there a repo or a web site on internet | 18:17 |
| pupnik | trivia: aviation-certified sunlight-readable screens need 750-1000 NITs | 18:17 |
| lardman | Pitagora: no, it's not that far, take a look at the hummingbird page on the meego wiki | 18:18 |
| alterego | jacekowski: you mean, best mistake I've not yet made? :P | 18:18 |
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| arack95 | that's horrible D: | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Congratulations to you & Mrs lardman, btw! | 18:21 |
| lardman | I admit I don't share that jaundiced view of marriage either (yet... ;D ) | 18:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: thanks | 18:21 |
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| Pitagora | lardman: I have experience with low level Linux setup | 18:22 |
| Pitagora | hi arack95 | 18:22 |
| Pitagora | are you new user | 18:23 |
| Pitagora | ^ | 18:23 |
| Pitagora | ?* | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | alterego, congrats. | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | lardman, too. | 18:23 |
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| Pitagora | tutti quelli di pierotofy qui | 18:23 |
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| lardman | well have a chat to stroughtonsmith on #meego-arm as he is the chap doing the work on the Meego port; you'll need to get the mic2 buildsystem ready to go to build your own images, etc | 18:23 |
| lardman | GAN900: thanks | 18:23 |
| Pitagora | lardman: thanks | 18:25 |
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| lardman | Pitagora: hmm, perhaps he's working on the Nexus S, yeah, too many names with S in them | 18:26 |
| lardman | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird | 18:26 |
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| lardman | anyway I guess it should be doable anyway on the Galaxy S, similar to the Galaxy Tab | 18:27 |
| lardman | afaiu | 18:27 |
| lardman | but prepare for some kernel hacking in that case | 18:27 |
| lardman | I'd also scour xda developers to see if anyone else is working on porting e.g. Ubuntu | 18:27 |
| Pitagora | lardman: i saw... Are you seeing a list of "What doesn't work"? xD | 18:28 |
| lardman | am I seeing one, or would you like me to tell you? | 18:28 |
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| lardman | because the fundamental primary issue is that the only think that works is that one can perform a text based login | 18:29 |
| lardman | other than that, everything needs to be sorted out | 18:29 |
| lardman | including kernel patches to make the fb work for a graphical ui, hw acceleration, wifi, bt, etc, etc | 18:29 |
| lardman | but other than that, all in good shape | 18:30 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:30 |
| Pitagora | other than that? | 18:30 |
| Pitagora | loool | 18:30 |
| lardman | Actually I think lilsteview may have a Galaxy S, ping him and ask, but same situation | 18:30 |
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| lardman | Pitagora: that's why I asked whether you were a developer | 18:31 |
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| Pitagora | lardman thanks | 18:32 |
| lardman | np | 18:32 |
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| Pitagora | what does mean np? | 18:33 |
| lardman | no problem | 18:33 |
| Pitagora | ok asd | 18:33 |
| Pitagora | bye | 18:33 |
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| Pitagora | I will return when the porting is complete! | 18:34 |
| lardman | We may be underwater before then | 18:34 |
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| trumee | was there any hint of meego phone on mwc today? | 19:28 |
| alterego | trumee: not that I am aware, tablets though :) | 19:30 |
| trumee | alterego: thanks | 19:30 |
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| trumee | alterego: does nokia plan to show any meego phone in mwc at all? | 19:30 |
| alterego | trumee: doubtful | 19:31 |
| alterego | trumee: I imagine any MeeGo offering will be low key, like probably back to 770 days | 19:31 |
| alterego | Probably not even an N series device .. | 19:31 |
| trumee | alterego: thx | 19:32 |
| alterego | I expect D-series :D | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_some_of_our_features_are_missing/ | 19:35 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 19:36 |
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| ruskie | hehe RST38h beat me to it... | 19:42 |
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| andre__ | thp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZeDI0BsoBM looks awesome! congrats! | 19:57 |
| piggz | andre__: wow, i want it! | 19:58 |
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| deno | does anyone know where is the sdk-fiasco-gen package? | 20:03 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/acer-iconia-smart-hands-on-video/ | 20:05 |
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| ArGGu^^ | deno non-free | 20:07 |
| deno | I tried apt-get install sdk-fiasco-gen | 20:08 |
| deno | and apt-get install fiasco-gen but | 20:08 |
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| deno | I got the E: Couldn't find package error | 20:08 |
| ArGGu^^ | deno you need the non-free repo | 20:08 |
| deno | uhm but the package's name is the sdk-fiasco-gen or just fiasco-gen | 20:10 |
| ArGGu^^ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_non-free_armel/sdk-fiasco-gen/2.8.2.0.1+0m5/ | 20:10 |
| deno | ArGGu^^, I have it: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 20:10 |
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| ArGGu^^ | it seems to have missing dependencies :S | 20:11 |
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| deno | uhm | 20:11 |
| deno | damn it | 20:11 |
| deno | so is it not possible to compile it? | 20:11 |
| deno | I'm just trying to compile the power kernel | 20:12 |
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| deno | and I get this error | 20:12 |
| deno | :/ | 20:12 |
| thp | andre__: :) | 20:12 |
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| deno | maybe it's a maemo bug: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is | 20:13 |
| deno | nowhere to be found | 20:13 |
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| trip0 | is there a way to make a dsc/changes file without actually building the deb? | 20:29 |
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| trip0 | i need to fix a package but I don't want to have to setup scratchbox and all that stuff | 20:30 |
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| jacekowski | you can use autobuilder | 20:30 |
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| trip0 | jacekowski, autobuilder requires you to have a dsc and changes file | 20:32 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | you can get them all | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 20:33 |
| trip0 | i have the original sure, | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | no | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | i can give you account on my server | 20:33 |
| trip0 | ooo | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | with scratchbox and stuff | 20:33 |
| * pahartik just noticed that "Fennec beta 4" does not honor system proxy settings of "Maemo fremantle" like "Fennec beta 3" did | 20:33 | |
| trip0 | it should actually amount to a two line fix in libqtm-12-declarative | 20:34 |
| jacekowski | query | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | and what username do you want | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | and password | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | all on query | 20:36 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, does anybody know how i can compile via g++ a very short script for my n900? (would be needed for tomorrow in classes for faster calculations) | 20:51 |
| kerio | write it in python! | 20:51 |
| mikki-kun | kerio: i only know so far c++ | 20:52 |
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| federico2 | is there a good python support on the n900? | 20:52 |
| kerio | there's python | 20:52 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 20:53 |
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| Gh0sty | thats like asking if cars support gasoline :p | 20:53 |
| mikki-kun | Gh0sty: some cars don't :) *pointing at EVs* | 20:53 |
| federico2 | you mean Cpython? | 20:53 |
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| federico2 | fine - but without libs it's not very useful | 20:53 |
| Gh0sty | EV's ... an invention of stupid minds | 20:54 |
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| Gh0sty | the way to go is hybrids | 20:54 |
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| federico2 | are there libs to build graphical applications? | 20:54 |
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| Gh0sty | even | 20:54 |
| Gh0sty | I did not read the documentation that well and I know there are :P | 20:55 |
| federico2 | thanks | 20:55 |
| dangergrrl | lots of gtk apps are written in python | 20:56 |
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| dangergrrl | gtk is a language neutral library | 20:56 |
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| dangergrrl | http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/12/intel-to-pursue-meego-with-or-without-nokia/ | 20:58 |
| dangergrrl | that already been linked here? | 20:58 |
| Gh0sty | since DocScrutinizer is not here I will asume his role | 20:59 |
| Gh0sty | this is not #meego | 20:59 |
| Proteous | lol | 20:59 |
| Gh0sty | we dont care about meego | 20:59 |
| Gh0sty | etc | 20:59 |
| Gh0sty | but on a personal sidenote: poor nokia | 21:00 |
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| Gh0sty | just read stome stuff about windows 7 | 21:00 |
| Gh0sty | what a shit | 21:00 |
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| Gh0sty | you have to register with an live ID or something | 21:01 |
| FIQ | wat | 21:01 |
| Gh0sty | which sends all your phonebook, calendar etc etc towards the live server | 21:01 |
| Gh0sty | so all your private data belongs to microsoft :p | 21:01 |
| FIQ | fu microsoft | 21:01 |
| Gh0sty | oh and that functionality can not be disabled nor stopped | 21:01 |
| FIQ | sounds like My Nokia but worser | 21:02 |
| Proteous | sure, fariday cage around phones | 21:02 |
| Proteous | DONE | 21:02 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 21:02 |
| Proteous | Can't get me now Microsoft! | 21:02 |
| FIQ | or just don't buy WP7 phones :) | 21:02 |
| FIQ | wait | 21:02 |
| Proteous | I like my idea better | 21:02 |
| mikki-kun | Proteous: how does a faraday cage help there? | 21:03 |
| FIQ | will the few shipping symbian devices, and meego, have this as well? :( | 21:03 |
| FIQ | (if they come from nokia) | 21:03 |
| Proteous | how would microsoft get your information if your phone cannot speak | 21:03 |
| Proteous | MUHAHAHA | 21:03 |
| Proteous | and you could still play Snake on it or something | 21:03 |
| Proteous | I mean, why else do you use a phone for? | 21:04 |
| Proteous | </sarcasm> | 21:04 |
| Proteous | FYI | 21:05 |
| mikki-kun | Proteous: "Faraday cages cannot block static and slowly varying magnetic fields, such as Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside). To a large degree though, they also shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the radiation's wavelength." | 21:05 |
| mikki-kun | have fun making the mesh :) | 21:05 |
| Proteous | are you saying that it would be hard to make a material that would block the cellular radio? | 21:06 |
| mikki-kun | not hard, it might just take time :) | 21:06 |
| Proteous | well I wouldn't solder it together by hand after extruding my own wire :P | 21:06 |
| dangergrrl | i'm pretty sure cell phones do not function (as phones) in Tempest facilities | 21:07 |
| dangergrrl | at least not in the ones i've been in the phone got no signal | 21:07 |
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| dangergrrl | i went to some meetings in tempest bunkers at Ft Gordon in Augusta GA on a contract for the us army signal corps | 21:09 |
| Proteous | they wouldn't be very goog tempest facilities if you could get a radio signal out | 21:09 |
| Proteous | s/goog/good/ | 21:09 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: they wouldn't be very good tempest facilities if you could get a radio signal out | 21:09 |
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| dangergrrl | that's kinda the point | 21:09 |
| vi_ | so where is my n9? | 21:09 |
| Proteous | in the mail | 21:09 |
| Proteous | just like I told you last week | 21:10 |
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| vi_ | do you think nokia will unveil it at mwc? | 21:11 |
| Proteous | no | 21:11 |
| Tscheesy | vi_: vaporware? | 21:11 |
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| Tscheesy | so m$ is now manufacturer .. | 21:12 |
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| vi_ | ms can eat my ass, i just wantedc a mobile pocket computer phone | 21:13 |
| Proteous | I'm just waiting for a mobile pocket monkey phone | 21:13 |
| Proteous | someday... | 21:13 |
| vi_ | ms, be careful where you are shitting for you are shitting on my dreams | 21:14 |
| Proteous | mikki-kun: you made me look up the wavelengh of the standard cell phone frequencys: around 25cm | 21:17 |
| Gh0sty | ohnoes | 21:17 |
| Gh0sty | we actually made someone do smart things :p | 21:17 |
| mikki-kun | depening on your gsm... | 21:17 |
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| Gh0sty | this channel is evil :) | 21:17 |
| Proteous | :P | 21:17 |
| Gh0sty | depending on what band ;) | 21:17 |
| trumee | alterego: your users are moaning about media-IM status not working | 21:19 |
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| mikki-kun | Proteous: 950 mhz has around 32 cm wavelength... 1900 is around 15.8cm wavelength... so yeah, depending on your hole-size it might work | 21:22 |
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| vi_ | hole size of what? | 21:24 |
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| vi_ | you gonna attach a 5/8 antenna to your n900 bro? | 21:25 |
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| vi_ | for teh gainz to the max | 21:25 |
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| Tscheesy | lol - the opposite.. a faradain cage for anything else but gsm as i understood | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | faradain? | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | WTF | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | faraday | 21:29 |
| Tscheesy | but in controls you should give those things a sec-factor of 2.5 because of wave-modulations ;) | 21:29 |
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| mikki-kun | Tscheesy: why wave-modulations? | 21:32 |
| Tscheesy | aliasing | 21:32 |
| mikki-kun | i assume we have a rather constant freq | 21:32 |
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| Gh0sty | also take into account harmonics | 21:37 |
| Proteous | and frame dragging | 21:37 |
| Proteous | and red shift | 21:37 |
| Gh0sty | (trying to overflow somebodys mind until it says *pop*) | 21:37 |
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| Proteous | :P | 21:38 |
| Proteous | I think just a think steel case would work great | 21:38 |
| Proteous | er, thin | 21:38 |
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| Gh0sty | how about aluminium foil | 21:38 |
| Gh0sty | tinfoil hats anyone ? :P | 21:38 |
| Proteous | maybe in a double ply | 21:39 |
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| timeless | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzOKByRjR6U | 21:44 |
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| * pahartik finds out that "Fennec beta 4" does not honor "http_proxy" or https_proxy" environment variables either | 21:50 | |
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| timeless | pahartik: no browser in its right mind would | 21:55 |
| timeless | that's for scripts and console apps | 21:55 |
| timeless | use about:config | 21:55 |
| nox- | moin | 21:56 |
| pahartik | timeless: Oh, that seems to be available nowadays | 21:56 |
| timeless | pahartik: it has been for ages | 21:57 |
| pahartik | timeless: "Chromium" paid attention to environment variables... "env http_proxy='http://[::1]:3128/' https_proxy='https://[::1]:3148/' /opt/chromium/chrome" | 21:59 |
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| pahartik | timeless: I wonder about which variable it might be in "about:config" | 22:00 |
| timeless | network.proxy.http | 22:01 |
| timeless | network.proxy.http_port | 22:01 |
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| timeless | network.proxy.share_proxy_settings | 22:01 |
| timeless | is the easiest tripple, iirc that'll more or less do what you need | 22:01 |
| timeless | in the desktop browser, just write 'proxy' into the filter field, the names are fairly reasonable | 22:02 |
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| FIQ | how long is maemo.org going to be in beta stage? :D | 22:05 |
| Proteous | forever? | 22:06 |
| FIQ | fair enough :) | 22:06 |
| Proteous | not more than that anyway | 22:06 |
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| ThreeM | duke nukem forever will be released sonner as maemo.org went final | 22:06 |
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| FIQ | ThreeM: sounds realistical :P | 22:09 |
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| deno | hi there | 22:09 |
| deno | I followed the instruction of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 | 22:09 |
| deno | and download the fiasco-gen from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 but | 22:10 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 22:10 |
| deno | with fakeroot apt-get build-dep kernel-power | 22:10 |
| deno | I get: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found | 22:10 |
| deno | even if I have installed that package | 22:10 |
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| sivang | whooa, what a large number of community members! | 22:12 |
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| Proteous | that's what she said | 22:12 |
| Proteous | er | 22:12 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: so, the device is nice, the "tap-to-sync" stuff seems to work between the webos tablet and the phone (ms surface-style) and I could eventually get used to the keyboard | 22:13 |
| Gyjf | would the n900 be suitable for cloning simcards? | 22:13 |
| Gyjf | or is that part locked down? | 22:13 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: however, the screen is, indeed, small. Even their tablet's screen seems comparatively small. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: closed | 22:15 |
| Gyjf | ah :( | 22:15 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: are you looking at the tiny pre3 or the midsized one? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: also for all I know you can not clone SIMs nowadays | 22:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I do feel like tap-to-sync is more of a gimmick | 22:15 |
| Gyjf | i take it the whole gsm part is locked then? | 22:15 |
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| Gyjf | but you can transfer to new simcards | 22:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Check out Acer Iconia Smart | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: sorry, you lost me | 22:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: pre3 is the larger, actually. "veer" is the smaller one. Since it is so small I could practically use it as wristwatch, I already discarded it. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: 4.8" 1024x480 screen. Android though,if you can take it | 22:16 |
| pahartik | timeless: I set those variables, they were saved, I restarted but they still have no effect... And "network.proxy.share_proxy_settings" does not exist, so I did not set it | 22:16 |
| Gyjf | stores have the ability to transfer a old card to a new one | 22:16 |
| Gyjf | with whatever machine they use | 22:16 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ah, the "long" one. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: not really | 22:17 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it should be somewhere at the MWC | 22:17 |
| timeless | pahartik: you also need to set proxy type | 22:17 |
| Gyjf | i was just assuming they cloned it | 22:17 |
| timeless | network.proxy.type | 22:17 |
| Gyjf | maybe its just portions of the card? | 22:17 |
| pupnik_ | pre3 looks like a good device for someone who wants portrait-keyboard | 22:17 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yeah, think I saw it, but didn't like the weird proportion | 22:17 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Running Gingerbread on Qualcomm CPU (i.e. should not have the same performance issues as Streak) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: the machine they use informs the registrar server of your carrier about the new SIM | 22:17 |
| timeless | you want <1> as your value fwiw | 22:17 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yea, photos of it look weird | 22:17 |
| Gyjf | hmm | 22:17 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: or one-handed operation. | 22:17 |
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| Gyjf | that does make sense tho | 22:18 |
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| Gyjf | but afaik, everything you can read you can copy | 22:19 |
| pahartik | timeless: It is integer, but I do not know what it translates to | 22:19 |
| Gyjf | so are some parts of the card ROM? | 22:19 |
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| timeless | [22:17] <timeless> you want <1> as your value fwiw | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: are they open enough to make an angstrom / meer / meego image for the device? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: uhuh, copy what I think now! | 22:19 |
| pahartik | timeless: Oh, trying "1" then | 22:19 |
| javispedro | then there was that lg 3d headache inducing thing everyone was talking about, which, imho, is way overrated.. | 22:19 |
| Per_n900 | I am not a developer so I will ask those of you who are: Whould a desktop widget that shows the files in my documents folder with icons and thumbnails for images and such be hard to do? So if I touch a pdf it opens pdf viewer and so on. Kind of like kde has. Hope you understand what I mean. | 22:19 |
| timeless | pahartik: fwiw, google is your friend, it'd take you to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.type | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: you can not read the secret key in a SIM. That'S the point | 22:20 |
| Gyjf | ok | 22:20 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: don't think anyone's tried, you'd probably find problems in cellular, and maybe gps or gfx. rest should be ok... | 22:20 |
| Proteous | Gyjf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module | 22:20 |
| pahartik | timeless: Thank you, it worked now | 22:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Does itleave you with your eyes permanently crossed? =) | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the key is just used to sign some challenge, and the signed response is then checked at server if it's signed with correct key | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like PGP | 22:21 |
| Gyjf | aah | 22:21 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it has a slider so that you can set the amount of headache -- at the highest setting the best I can describe it is as "weirdly blurry". | 22:21 |
| pahartik | timeless: I suppose it is bug introduced by "Fennec beta 4", as system proxy settings were used by default in "Fennec beta 3" | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | sivang, it must mean things are looking up! | 22:22 |
| timeless | pahartik: what value was that last pref set to? | 22:22 |
| * javispedro ponders if the guy at the booth got it that I was completely disliking the thing by the faces I was making. | 22:23 | |
| timeless | system proxy = 5 iiuc | 22:23 |
| pahartik | timeless: "5" | 22:23 |
| sivang | GAN900: :) | 22:23 |
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| timeless | pahartik: sounds like system proxy isn't working properly... | 22:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: another gimmick then. No sign of SLP? | 22:23 |
| timeless | since 5 should have pulled them in.. | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | "Full steam ahead!n | 22:23 |
| * GAN900 coughs. | 22:23 | |
| sivang | so what are we doing here today? | 22:23 |
| sivang | ;-) | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, MWC? | 22:23 |
| pupnik_ | Per_n900: i guess nobody knows - maybe search talk.maemo.org for desktop widgets | 22:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nope, samsung was all over android on the exhibition, and is tomorrow going to be all over bada for the devs (wtf?). no sign of slp. | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, SLP. Too much blue | 22:24 |
| pahartik | timeless: No, it worked before and I have not changed it | 22:24 |
| javispedro | GAN900: yep | 22:24 |
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| timeless | pahartik: from my perspective, system proxy = the system proxy, the settings for the system proxy, the glue to pull in the system proxy settings | 22:25 |
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| timeless | if it isn't working, any of those could be the failure point | 22:25 |
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| timeless | i don't care which | 22:25 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, anything worthwhile? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | ACCESS also has completely forgotton about ALP, they only showed some stuff I did not exactly understand what was for, other than it was a browser and suicidal... | 22:25 |
| javispedro | GAN900: IMHO not, basically, loads of android clones. | 22:26 |
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| Per_n900 | pupnik_: I will try that. Or I'll just try to make one. I use my n900 pretty much as my main computer so I would like a way of fast access to my documents like that. | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, depressing. | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | commoditization makes that all very boring. | 22:27 |
| javispedro | actually, and going on topic, at the nokia dev event they repeated the answer to "that" question about the future of Qt: "Qt is business right now, WP7 might be in the future" | 22:28 |
| GAN900 | Pff | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottom line in TV: "this year's MWC is about smartphones, and evolution, not revolution [editor: "I heard this before"], and devices differentiate by design details, and target youngsters who don't consider phone calls a major usecase" | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | Only because the company doesn't know enough to change their lines. | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: that is probably symbian people pulling together their wagons | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: give it 3 months, and the remaining ones will be all over C#, .NET, and Bing | 22:30 |
| derf | Can't they just port Qt to WP7? | 22:30 |
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| javispedro | that was asked | 22:30 |
| javispedro | derf^^^ | 22:30 |
| javispedro | the answer was a big NO. | 22:30 |
| javispedro | from Nokia at least. | 22:30 |
| derf | We'll see how long that lasts. | 22:30 |
| javispedro | they just say they "will be commited to devs as Nokia has ever been" | 22:30 |
| RST38h | derf: WP7 developmentis onlydone in C#. No C.No C++. Nonative. | 22:30 |
| derf | Okay, good. | 22:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro:this does notsound very reassuring | 22:31 |
| derf | That means I can ignore that platform. | 22:31 |
| javispedro | derf: you'd do well, they're at 2011 still reintroducing multitasking | 22:31 |
| javispedro | and they do that by cloning the webos paradigm | 22:31 |
| javispedro | (though I can't blame them, handset ux also did...) | 22:31 |
| RST38h | and cut&paste too | 22:31 |
| derf | Did iOS manage to figure out multitasking last year? | 22:31 |
| RST38h | derf: yes, but just barely | 22:32 |
| javispedro | iOS doesn't count, it's apple. | 22:32 |
| javispedro | ;) | 22:32 |
| derf | I'm just saying, as a frame of reference. | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, NOK down from 7.00 at Friday evening to 6.60 now | 22:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yeah, you win the bet, NY shares at less than 9€ | 22:34 |
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| javispedro | er.. | 22:34 |
| javispedro | s/€/.00 | 22:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if that's really what those US investors had in mind when forcing Flop into Nokia CEO position (if it's really true) | 22:37 | |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean by 'that'? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOK 6.60 I meant | 22:38 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: is that good or bad? | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | it was like 20% more week ago | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's another -18% | 22:38 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh | 22:38 |
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| derf | Depends on whether you're long or short. | 22:38 |
| sivang | heh | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | it's going doooooooooooooooooooooooown | 22:38 |
| sivang | javispedro++ on Apple | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, quite constantly during the day | 22:39 |
| RST38h | Doc: Will it hit 1.00? =) | 22:39 |
| derf | Intra-day trading is just watching computers do battle. | 22:39 |
| derf | Real humans don't actually make decisions on a minute-by-minute basis. | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | We will have won when meego is on those computers! | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | derf: Still, you watch this: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=NOK and the trend is clear, computers or not | 22:41 |
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| derf | Sure. But notice how the gaps between days outweigh anything that happens during the day. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | derf:Unless of course it is all a diabolic plot to drop Nokia's stock through the floor, buy lots of it, then raise it on some mildly reassuring WP7 news, and sell it all off | 22:42 |
| derf | RST38h: I don't doubt _someone_ is trying that. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | derf: Yea, but that is because it is being traded in Europe overnight | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | derf: If you look at a US-based company (like Intel) the gaps are not there, usually | 22:43 |
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| derf | Intel doesn't usually put out big enough news to cause people to re-evaluate the worth of the entire company. | 22:43 |
| timeless | intel also has more than one line of stuff | 22:44 |
| timeless | diversity is useful | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Wht was the hit on intels 'oops - we fogot about electromigration' news? | 22:45 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: Pretty insignificant. | 22:46 |
| derf | What's a $1bln loss when your market cap is $120bln? | 22:46 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: ping | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | please tell me the N9 announced while I was away | 22:49 |
| Proteous | SpeedEvil: it also wasn't like, "your laptop will explode killing everyone in the room." It was, "your SATA performance will degrade over 3 years." | 22:49 |
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| javispedro | heh | 22:49 |
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| javispedro | nvidia would have said nothing | 22:50 |
| Proteous | lol | 22:50 |
| Proteous | "what, your video is all scrambled on your macbook? I have no idea what could be causing that" | 22:50 |
| pupnik_ | what would be the minimum CPU spec for the N9 for you to personally be excited about it | 22:51 |
| nox- | i thought n9 was cancelled? | 22:51 |
| timeless | hrm, did gmail recently add a trailing ad? | 22:51 |
| javispedro | timeless: hopefully not, if they ever do that's probably the end of it. | 22:51 |
| Proteous | "This email was sent from my gmail | 22:51 |
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| timeless | javispedro: try a really long conversation | 22:52 |
| Proteous | oh wait, that'a apple | 22:52 |
| ZogG | woops, i'm trying to set up maemo sdk and when trying to run script /.maemo_install_sdk-5.0 -u zogg i get error: | 22:52 |
| pupnik_ | nox-: well i imagine the n9 was planned to be 1ghz omap3640 (speculation!!) | 22:52 |
| timeless | i have an ad after the last message | 22:52 |
| timeless | not in the content, past it before the nav links | 22:52 |
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| ZogG | scratchbox found but not executable by user | 22:52 |
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| nox- | pupnik_, no idea but if its cancelled its moot point :/ | 22:52 |
| javispedro | timeless: nothing (18 posts) | 22:52 |
| javispedro | though it's last week | 22:53 |
| BCMM | ZogG: which distro are you installing on? | 22:53 |
| nox- | its a even | 22:53 |
| ZogG | BCMM funtoo | 22:53 |
| timeless | hrm, i have it for a single message | 22:53 |
| BCMM | ZogG: i thought that was you - why the manual scratchbox installation? | 22:53 |
| ZogG | BCMM, user in group, scratchbox is running | 22:53 |
| * nox- typo madness again, i sure did have the a in my mind... | 22:54 | |
| ZogG | BCMM what do you mean manual, i have scratchbox on system already | 22:54 |
| * timeless gives up | 22:54 | |
| Proteous | it's a me, wario | 22:54 |
| ZogG | trying to install sdk | 22:54 |
| timeless | i'm definitely getting occasionally ads at the bottom | 22:54 |
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| BCMM | ZogG: i'm not sure what maemo_install_sdk-5.0 is, but it isn't in hte instructions | 22:56 |
| BCMM | ZogG: i would follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation , apart from the apt-get bits | 22:56 |
| BCMM | (and the newgrp) | 22:56 |
| ZogG | BCMM it is | 22:57 |
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| timeless | !summon javispedro | 22:58 |
| timeless | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ads-below-gmail.png | 22:58 |
| RST38h | derf: Still, when intel goes down or up (however abruptly), it is without overnight jumps | 22:59 |
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| jacekowski | nokia is in pretty deep shit | 23:00 |
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| RST38h | derf:But anyway, if those US investors expected to raise NOK stock price with this brilliant strategic movie, then they seem to be failing | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | well, everything that falls have to bounce | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | so they may want to get it down | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | buy it cheap | 23:01 |
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| pupnik_ | dead cat bounce? :) | 23:04 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia's a fool to focus on american market :) | 23:05 |
| pupnik_ | americans are broke | 23:05 |
| pupnik_ | buying ipads with chinese money - lol | 23:05 |
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| trip0 | pupnik_, lol | 23:07 |
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| GAN900 | MeeGo could've made waves in the US. | 23:09 |
| pupnik_ | you know the term 'economic hit-man'? :) | 23:09 |
| GAN900 | Windows is a name most people spit upon. | 23:09 |
| GAN900 | Goes to show, the Finns still don't get it. | 23:10 |
| ZogG | BCMM ya using it, just i don;t use install scratchbox and g straight to install-sdk | 23:10 |
| timeless | GAN900: *shrug*, i'm happy with w7starter on this ideapad :) | 23:10 |
| timeless | GAN900: have you seen http://soluto.com ? | 23:11 |
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| sivang | timeless: nice! | 23:15 |
| timeless | sivang: i highly recommend it | 23:15 |
| sivang | timeless: do you have it on your w7 starter on the ideapad? | 23:16 |
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| rm_work | soluto looks neat | 23:16 |
| rm_work | do you use it timeless ? | 23:16 |
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| timeless | yes | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | timeless, are you touched in the head? | 23:16 |
| timeless | and i've had my dad install it, and installed it on a couple of other people's computers | 23:17 |
| rm_work | i will check it out whenever i manage to get home... see if it can prevent my impending reformat to fix incredible slowness | 23:17 |
| sivang | timeless: going make wonders for my DAW | 23:17 |
| timeless | it doesn't always install cleanly, i tried on a standalone vista box @work, it failed | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | I'm vaguely happy with Ubuntu, even though the keyboard and trackpad suck. | 23:17 |
| sivang | GAN900: yes, that is still an issue there. | 23:17 |
| rm_work | GAN900: which release? latest? | 23:17 |
| rm_work | GAN900: trackpad support seems to have gotten WORSE | 23:17 |
| rm_work | not sure why | 23:17 |
| rm_work | it worked perfectly until the last two releases... | 23:18 |
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| rm_work | then all the sudden, my trackpad has no hotzones and feels weird to use | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | mouse pad on ubuntu on my new laptop sucks | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | old one was fine | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | this one jumps around | 23:18 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: new laptop? | 23:19 |
| rm_work | yeah i dunno how they messed it up but it is very much worse than it used to be | 23:19 |
| Sc0rpius | you mean the touchpad? | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, yeah, the one I got in August | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | it builds a kernel in less than 10 minutes, so it's "new" :P | 23:19 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: oh. well that's not really new then, is it? | 23:19 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, old one is 7 years old | 23:22 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: then it's new indeed | 23:22 |
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