IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-02-14

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jonwilwell my new SIM just became active so I now have tcpdump dumps containing cell broadcast SMS messages from 2 different carrriers00:10
MohammadAGmeh, latest natty kernel fails to resume from standby00:11
jonwilIf I could just get this !#$%$!@# Wireshark plugin to compile I could analyze them00:11
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jacekowskias i said CB messages reach userland00:12
jacekowskiand then probably dbus00:12
jonwilyes I know that00:13
jonwilI am trying to examine these packet captures to match what I see to the phonet specs so I can then follow the data as it gets to userland and then to dbus00:13
jonwilto try and figure out why my IncomingCBS dbus test app doesnt work00:14
dangergrrlyo0u know i have my n900 for two months before i bought a sim card and cell service for it00:14
jonwilanyone here know who Tyson Key is?00:14
dangergrrls/have/had00:14
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DocScrutinizerI wonder why my Nokia 6210 doubles power consumption when enabling SMS-CB00:20
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jonwilon the N900 they seem to be always enabled with no way to disable them00:21
DocScrutinizerwell, BB5 needing ~5mA for standby is good enough anyway, so probably just no need to disable sms-cb00:24
DocScrutinizerfor 6210 my idea about that always been that RX can't go sleep when listening for sms-cb00:25
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jonwilbah, stupid wireshark plugin00:30
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: you seen last comment in bug 4874 ?00:45
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/4874 Publically document CAL config entries in /dev/mtd1 config area00:45
jonwilSomeone should adapt that code in some way and use it to replace the closed-source libcal dependancy on MeeGo00:48
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jonwilshouldn't be that hard to make it API compatible with libcal00:48
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jonwilhmmm, well I have a low level packet dump of a cell brocast SMS message01:01
jonwili.e. SMS_GSM_CB_ROUTING_NTF or whatever it is01:01
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jonwilbut now I need to figure out how to decode what I am looking at01:03
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norayrI was testing my deb packages by installing them from the commandline.01:10
norayrwhat does it mean, if Application Manager says "incompatible package" ?01:10
norayrIt shows the description, however.01:10
javispedro"incompatible package"01:13
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javispedroit might mean a lot of things01:13
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javispedromost common: package category is not user/*01:13
Venemoheh.01:14
javispedrosee http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines and specially http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Fremantle_application_categories01:14
Venemosomeone on TMO said that the community should make their own phones by buying a pandaboard/whatever chip and buying components such as GSM modems and displays off ebay01:14
VenemoI wonder how much of an effort would that take01:15
javispedrotmo is crazy01:15
javispedroif you do that, you could as well buy an htc...01:15
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Venemojavispedro: there's no OSS driver for htc's gsm hardware (that I know of?)01:16
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jonwilso reverse engineer HTCs blob, its been done before (OpenEZX anyone)01:17
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pupniknot so easy01:20
pupnikn900 is definitely good enough hardware wise - keep a couple spare batteries01:21
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dotblankWasn't there a presentation at the chaos communication congress on a open gsm platform01:23
dotblankor at least reverse engineered01:23
wmaronethere is an open source gsm stack in development01:23
MohammadAG<Venemo> someone on TMO said that the community should make their own phones by buying a pandaboard/whatever chip and buying components such as GSM modems and displays off ebay01:24
Venemowmarone: really?01:25
MohammadAGjust get a new SoC, desolder the one on the N900, solder the new one01:25
MohammadAGif you're awesome and epic, you'll get it working01:25
wmaroneVenemo: yes, I think it's being led by... Harald Welte01:25
Venemowmarone: for the N900?01:25
wmaroneno01:25
BCMMsomeone on TMO said most things01:25
Venemowmarone: then?01:25
wmaroneit's just a general stack that implements GSM01:25
Venemowmarone: ofono?01:26
wmaroneI think it's aimed at being run in the same manner as the current baseband01:26
wmaroneall on its lonesome01:26
VenemoMohammadAG: problem is, there is no SoC that's supported with fully OSS drivers. and I'm not sure if the modem is on the SoC :P01:26
MohammadAGI doubt the modem is on the SoC01:27
wmaronethe modem is in the "Rapu Yama" chip on the mainboard01:27
MohammadAGif it was, the beagleboard would have a modem01:27
VenemoMohammadAG: so then why bother with desolderint the SoC? :P01:27
Venemos/desolderint/desoldering01:27
wmaronedidn't Nokia sell their baseband unit to Renesas some years back?01:27
DocScrutinizerjonwil: (decode) you've seen the 7/8 transcode for SMS, as eg used in those tools to send SMS via cmdline?01:27
MohammadAGbecause I said you can do it, and last I checked, I'm on tmo!01:27
jonwilyes I have seen such tools01:27
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I suggest to try and decode your data with 8 different bit-offsets, and see what's the result01:28
MohammadAGI wish Nokia would just release the damn N9 already01:28
jonwilwell I am following the ofono code as to how it decodes CBS messages01:28
dotblankhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0LCgxe24Po01:28
DocScrutinizer"Calvaria - Maemo CAL partition variable access tool\n" \o/01:28
MohammadAGor any developers' platform that doesn't cost me 2k bucks01:29
dotblankfor a talk on that gsm platform01:29
DocScrutinizerwonder WTF this got to do with openWRT01:29
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DocScrutinizerwho's going to build that tiny tool (for me :-D)?01:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ?01:30
MohammadAGIntel Aava01:30
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: is this accurate? http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900Hardware01:31
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DocScrutinizerdunno01:32
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DocScrutinizerwhy?01:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/utils/calvaria/files/src/calvaria.c01:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: would you give it a shot?01:33
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Venemojust out of curiosity01:34
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: it looks rather uninspired and inaccurate01:36
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: thx01:36
DocScrutinizeryw01:36
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, it looks like a plain simple tool that reads cal01:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: umm, yes, no write option01:41
DocScrutinizerweird01:41
jacekowskiit's not so easy to allocate block in cal01:42
jacekowski http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria01:42
jacekowskiif you are interested in binary01:42
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DocScrutinizerthanks01:49
DocScrutinizer:-D01:49
VenemoDocScrutinizer: what was the reason for OpenMoko's shutdown?01:49
keriolag01:49
DocScrutinizercapital01:49
VenemoDocScrutinizer: lack of?01:50
DocScrutinizersomewhat, yes01:50
DocScrutinizeror management decisions that lead to VC getting retracted01:50
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DocScrutinizerso basically, yes lag01:51
DocScrutinizer:-P01:51
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jacekowskiso what is FIC doing now?01:51
DocScrutinizerwho's FIC? :-P01:52
jacekowskithe company behind openmoko01:52
DocScrutinizerthat's incorrect01:52
jacekowskiso who are they then01:52
DocScrutinizerwho?01:52
jacekowskiFIC01:53
DocScrutinizerdunno, some hw manufacturer for computer mainboards that got closed down 2008 afaik?01:53
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jacekowskiwell, they were manufacturing these phones01:53
jacekowskihttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo197301:54
DocScrutinizeralso the company that assembled Openmoko devices01:54
jacekowski... manufactured by FIC who instigated the Openmoko project ...01:54
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DocScrutinizerabsolutely incorrect01:54
jacekowskiwell, it's on the wiki01:54
DocScrutinizerso what?01:54
DocScrutinizerOpenmoko used FIC for manufacturing their devices01:55
DocScrutinizerinitiative never was from FIC01:56
DocScrutinizerand OM never been a subsidiary of FIC01:56
jacekowskiwhy does internet think it was?01:56
DocScrutinizeroh, internet thinks now?01:57
jacekowskiyes01:57
jacekowskicollective01:57
jacekowskiof the people01:57
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DocScrutinizerwell, that'S the reason then01:57
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javispedrouh01:58
DocScrutinizersee, OM been a "autonomous" company founded by Sean Moss-Pultz and financed by owners of FIC, and OM used FIC facilities and tech support01:59
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jacekowskiso we're getting somewhere02:00
DocScrutinizerSean studied in USA and his room mate was some relative of the FIC owners02:02
DocScrutinizerthey had some ideas, and they found rooms, reflow streets, and capital to try those ideas02:02
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DrGrovGood evening02:04
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DocScrutinizergood night02:05
DrGrovIs there any Youtube material or other video material from today's sneak peak of the MWC?02:05
DrGrovhi DocScrutinizer02:05
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jonwilbah, I cant find anything that can decode this cell broadcast SMS :(02:16
jonwilIts a different format to regular SMSs (language type etc) so regular SMS decoders wont work02:16
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jonwilok, cell broadcast work is going nowhere until I can figure out how to decode cell broadcast SMS messages02:24
jonwiland yes a proper CAL read/write library to replace libcal would be nice to have :)02:25
nox-maybe osmocombb has cell broadcast code?  http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/02:26
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nox-or openbts:  http://openbts.sourceforge.net/02:29
jonwildont think either of those will have exactly what I need02:30
jonwilI posted to the mailing list, maybe someone out there has code I can use02:30
jonwilor knows of some02:30
nox-heh ok02:30
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: you checked /Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip/i_sms_wm_fp.pdf   §4.3 Cell broadcast message reception, p26 ?02:32
jonwilthat tells me nothing about how to decode a cell broadcast SMS02:33
jonwilplus I want code, not standards docs :P02:34
DocScrutinizerit should give you an idea of the data structure sent by ISI02:34
jonwilI know the data structure sent by isi02:34
jonwilits in the phonet headers I have02:34
jonwilWhat I have now is a raw Cell Broadcast SMS as sent by the cell tower02:34
jonwilwith all the isi packet data removed02:35
jonwiland I want to decode it02:35
jonwilto see what it says02:35
jonwilplus, some stand-alone code is going to be needed to decode this message for the eventual CBSMS GUI02:36
DocScrutinizerand I still doubt you see ALL random SMs-CB on ISI or dbus. Above docs clearly state you need SMS_CB_ROUTING_REQ command to modem, to subscripe to CB channels as listed in that cmd02:36
jonwillibsms.so and csd-sms.so are already sending SMS_CB_ROUTING_REQ02:37
DocScrutinizerit might be an index msg, listing all available channels02:37
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DocScrutinizeruhuh, so what are the channels these cmds subscribe to?02:38
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jonwilchecking02:40
DocScrutinizerif it's not 4.47.  SMS_SB_CB_SUBJECT_RANGE with lower 1 and upper 999(?) then for sure we got a problem there02:41
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jonwilok, routing_command is SMS_ROUTING_SET02:47
DocScrutinizergood02:48
DocScrutinizergot the question in my clipboard 10s ago :-)02:48
jonwilsubscription_number is zero02:48
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jonwilok, I dont think this is going to do what we want, subscription_type is SMS_TYPE_SIM and sub_block_count is zero02:50
jonwilI still wish to dump the CBSMS I do have just to see what it decodes as02:51
jonwilto see for sure02:51
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jonwilaha, idea. I will start tcpdump and then restart the CSD daemon. This will cause it to send the gsm_cb_routing_req packet again02:55
jonwilwhere I can analyze it properly02:55
jonwilin the tcpdump logs02:55
DocScrutinizeryes02:55
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jonwilok, thats interesting03:01
DocScrutinizero.O03:01
jonwilI am seeing a COMM_ISI_VERSION_GET_RESP for the SMS resource with an isi_version_zzz of 04 and an isi_version_yyy of 0103:02
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jonwilwhich means that the n900 cell modem is using SMS server version 004.00103:02
jonwilwhich means the pn_sms_isi.h file from that QT SDK (which is for version 005.001) is not correct03:03
DocScrutinizerwhile docs say it's since 005.00103:03
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DocScrutinizermaybe we should check G 103:04
jonwilwhat do you mean by G 1?03:05
DocScrutinizerWireless Modem API G2 V203:05
DocScrutinizerG1 or G2 V103:05
jonwilok, this packet log isnt complete enough, need to take another one03:06
DocScrutinizerodds are they just augmented some subtype by another constant03:06
MohammadAGAnother closed UI component opened up in the CSSU (thanks again to nicolai) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1193203:06
povbotBug 11932: cloned display brightness applet with proper portrait mode dialog03:06
DocScrutinizeruh, display brightness applet03:07
DocScrutinizerI'd love simple brightness applet to get more smart03:08
MohammadAGthat's in the status menu, not the control panel03:08
jonwilthe packet log I have is only sending SMS_PP_ROUTING_REQ with SMS_ROUTING_RELEASE03:08
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I expected exactly that03:08
DocScrutinizerit's explicitly disabling SMS-CB03:09
jonwilthats for point-to-point03:09
jonwilnot CB03:09
DocScrutinizerOhh sorry03:09
jonwilso the log is incomplete since we know its enabling PP03:09
DocScrutinizerI haven't checked the semantics of routing_release for PP03:09
DocScrutinizertbh for PP the whole routing doesn't make much sense to me03:10
DocScrutinizerif I got that right, it's just registering a client to the server, for PP03:11
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jonwilok, I have a usefull log03:13
jonwilit has SMS_GSM_CB_ROUTING_REQ with SMS_ROUTING_SET and SMS_GSM_ROUTING_MODE_ALL03:14
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jonwilthats excatly what ofono sends03:14
DocScrutinizer SMS_GSM_ROUTING_MODE (until 005.000)  HAHA :-D03:17
DocScrutinizerObsolete from ISI version 005.00003:17
DocScrutinizerOK, nice find03:17
jonwilits definatly using 004.00103:17
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jonwilit appears to be passing the exact same data as ofono (in fact, the guy who wrote the ofono code in isimodem/cbs.c most likely was someone who had knowledge of what libsms was doing03:18
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jonwilIts then passing SMS_CB_NOT_ALLOWED_IDS_LIST03:18
jonwilfollowed by some zeros03:18
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DocScrutinizer3.17.  SMS_GSM_TEMP_CB_ROUTING_REQ (until 005.000)03:19
jonwil"if zero and subject_list_type == SMS_CB_NOT_ALLOWED_SUBJ_LIST, all CBS IDs are accepted"03:19
jonwilThat to me suggests that its setting up to say "we accept all CBS messages no matter what channel/subject"03:20
jonwilwhich is what I thought03:20
DocScrutinizeryes03:20
jonwilits passing SMS_ALL_LANGAUGES03:21
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DocScrutinizerhehe03:21
DocScrutinizerwhat a waste03:21
jonwilthen zero for CB ID range03:21
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jonwilsince its not passing in any IDs03:21
DocScrutinizeryup03:21
jonwilso the telephony stack IS collecting any and all cell broadcast messages03:22
DocScrutinizeryup03:22
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jonwiland as far as I can tell libsms is forwarding them to libcsd-sms which triggers the IncomingCBS signal03:22
DocScrutinizernow you only might need some example SMS :-)03:22
jonwilso we are back where we started with the need to figure out how to talk to that signal03:22
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jonwiland the need to find code to decode the cell broadcast message that I was able to dump03:22
DocScrutinizerwe need to get a dump of a known SMS-CB03:23
jonwilofono contains all the info you would need to decode a CBSMS message03:24
DocScrutinizerI definitely know what SMS-CB I'll see here03:24
jonwilits just too hard to either get ofono and the ofono tests compiling on my end so I can test stuff03:24
jonwilor to separate out the CBSMS decode code03:24
DocScrutinizeror, in docs nomenclature: SM CB03:24
jonwilyeah SMS CB03:25
DocScrutinizer2. S is service03:25
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jonwilyeah :)03:26
DocScrutinizerif you like me to do some dumps, and also supply the decoded text, then post me a few cmd lines (tcpdump? what else?) - but not now, rather now+12h03:27
DocScrutinizerI know my BTS is sending Gauss-Wegener coords. Those hardly ever change ;-D03:28
jonwilok, fyi, Subscriber Services is using version 09.0203:29
DocScrutinizer?03:29
jonwilnot the 010.003 that pn_sms_isi indicates03:29
jonwilno, suplimentary services03:29
DocScrutinizeraah03:30
jonwilthe wireshark plugin calls it subscriber services03:30
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DocScrutinizermeh03:30
Elaine1hi03:30
Elaine1i heard that abc_ has cancer and is terminal03:30
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jonwilas for logging, you just need tcpdump and also dbus-monitor to be sure a cell broadcast SMS appears in the dump03:31
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jonwilI think we need to send COMM_ISI_VERSION_GET_REQ to all the servers on the phone and find out their versions03:31
jonwilin particular the location server would be nice to know03:32
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DocScrutinizergood plan03:34
DocScrutinizerbbl03:34
DocScrutinizero/03:34
DocScrutinizerps: I know I only need tcpdump, nevertheless I'd prefer to use your cmdline to the . dot03:35
lofty306so what hardware we play with now?  in the future?03:42
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Sc0rpiusthat geohot rap video is funny03:47
Ken-Younglofty306, Why not continue to play with what we have?03:47
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lofty306yeah but for the future?03:47
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Psisure there will be something available by that time03:48
lofty306heh03:49
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slonopotamusMohammadAG: trying to git clone modest... http://dpaste.org/sjrv/09:01
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khertan_Morning09:27
SpeedEvilMorning.09:29
MetallikettuGood morning :)09:31
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SpeedEvilI wouldn't go that far.09:34
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khertan_mwc is today09:48
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khertan_didn't know09:48
khertan_:)09:48
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* SpeedEvil hopes for 7 new noksoft devices to be released. With a footnote that specs are available to download, and that you can port meego to them if you want.09:50
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khertan_Mobile World Live Keynote Speaker:09:51
khertan_Steve Ballmer, CEO, Microsoft <<<09:51
khertan_at 4pm09:51
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khertan_SpeedEvil, so maybe some software news but i doubt about hw for today09:52
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SpeedEvilYeah.09:53
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khertan_SpeedEvil, tommorrow it s Eric Schmidt, Chairman & CEO, Google09:53
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kerioSpeedEvil: hahaha yeah right10:01
kerio:(10:01
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khertan_SpeedEvil, do not believe too much10:06
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tmztare the colorful winphones going to be tegra based?10:10
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DocScrutinizermeh, Asia didn't pull it. ASK 6.7810:22
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lofty306? see where nokia is?10:23
DocScrutinizerand they damn better anounce *anything* new today10:23
lofty306heh10:24
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DocScrutinizeranything not directly M$ driven10:25
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psycho_oreoswhich?10:27
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DocScrutinizerlayoffs?10:27
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psycho_oreosWP7?10:27
DocScrutinizermoo javispedro10:27
lofty306at M$10:27
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khertan_DocScrutinizer, the only live keynote today is ballmer10:39
khertan_DocScrutinizer, probably a monkey ballmer dance ... 'developpers, developpers, developpers ...'10:39
jonwilPersonally10:40
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lofty306be the monkey bit witha haha we got nokia bit  prob10:40
jonwilI hope Windows Phone 7 is a major flop10:40
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jonwiland that Android, IOS and Blackberry win the race10:40
maybeArghhttp://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOA3.DE&t=1d&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=10:40
SpeedEvilkhertan_: I said hope - I did not say expect.10:40
maybeArghhum10:40
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maybeArghnearly at -3%10:40
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khertan_SpeedEvil, i say do not expect too much or you ll be hardly disapointed :)10:41
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SpeedEvilkhertan_: I hope that... - I expect that Ballmer will stand up and wibble about vision a lot.10:42
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SpeedEvilWith nothing substantive revealed.10:42
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maybeArghone of our chancellors once said "if you've got visions, you should go see a doctor"10:42
Termanamorning10:43
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DocScrutinizer~dict hardly10:44
aptDictionary 'hardly' (1 of 4): almost not; "he hardly ever goes fishing"; "he was hardly more than sixteen years old"; "they scarcely ever used the emergency generator" .10:44
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khertan_http://dl.google.com/android/android-sdk_r09-linux_x86.tgz10:49
khertan_oups10:49
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pupnikhttp://www.dailyfinance.com/company/microsoft-corporation/msft/nas/institutional-ownership  Elop #8 for individual owners10:51
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khertan_pupnik, everybody already talk about that ... :) some say #710:52
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pupniki think 8 may be more correct than 710:53
pupnikhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=elop   there's something interesting on that page10:54
khertan_pupnik, win32.elop.trojan Is no more a zero day now10:54
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=elop%2C+meego&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=110:55
maybeArghnokia is listed as its own city?10:55
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DocScrutinizeryeah HAHA10:58
DocScrutinizercities: Nokia, Finland :-P10:58
javispedrotheres a Nokia town in finland10:58
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DocScrutinizerwe only got a Siemens street (actually a few of them I guess), Siemens town is just unofficial for Erlangen11:03
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pupnikhah11:03
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DocScrutinizerI wonder how long they keep phones on their shop usually, like N900 http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=695853411:08
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lofty306im in th eus its gone off the shop11:09
lofty306the us11:09
DocScrutinizermeh, I'm too stupid11:11
lofty306?/11:11
DocScrutinizer(opm11:12
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: they have the english keyboard in the picture - sourced from nokia.co.uk shop11:13
DocScrutinizerpupnik: heh, funny11:14
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DocScrutinizertech. details >>Vollständige QWERTZ-Tastatur11:15
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DocScrutinizerplus I'm rather sure they had a picture with qwertz some 18 months ago11:16
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pupnikHave you heard anything about later models having better speakers?11:17
DocScrutinizernope11:17
pupnikI've heard later models have more durable keyboards11:17
pupnikcan't confirm it tho11:17
DocScrutinizerthe keymat might be harder plastic11:17
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DocScrutinizerseems my new keymats don't wear as easily as the original qwertz did11:18
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pupnikcan you order a engl/uk keymat somewhere DocScrutinizer ?11:19
DocScrutinizerit's not like qwertz keymat would like like my N810 :-D11:19
DocScrutinizerI did11:19
pupnikwhere ?11:20
DocScrutinizersaremi11:20
DocScrutinizerwww.saremi-mobilfunk.de11:21
pupnikty11:21
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pupnikwow they sell a nokia n900 dummy phone11:22
DocScrutinizers/like like/look like/11:22
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DocScrutinizeryup11:22
DocScrutinizermost probably quite worth it11:22
pupnikgreat store, thanks11:23
DocScrutinizermight come with keymat, slide mech, back cover, whatnot else11:23
pupniknice honeypot too11:23
DocScrutinizerhehe11:23
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DocScrutinizerURGH, ASK 6.7411:31
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DocScrutinizermeh11:33
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* DocScrutinizer says byebye to his virtual cash invested in NOK11:34
Venemo_N900morning11:34
Venemo_N900so now is the time to buy nokia stock? :P11:34
Venemo_N900if I had money, I would :P11:34
DocScrutinizerwait a moment, just going down further :-P11:35
Venemo_N900how much has it fallen yet?11:35
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: time to buy more then! :)11:35
keriowait until it's fixed at the bottom11:36
keriothen buy a shitton11:36
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kerioas a matter of fact...11:36
keriobuy 51% of nokia and kick elop's ass11:36
Venemo_N900agreed11:36
DocScrutinizersomebody heard you :-D11:37
dm8tbrthat might not be available on the market :)11:37
jonwilEven if every N900 owner kicked in every cent they had, it wouldn't be anywhere near enough for enough shares to actually be able to have any influence11:38
FauxFauxEverything's for sale for enough money... including te lives of people who disagree with that statement.11:38
jonwilhmmm, well I have the Cell Broadcast SMS and I can get ofono to correctly decode the test SMS from test-sms.c11:39
jonwilbut I cant figure out exactly which bytes of my dumped SMS need to go where in order for ofono to decode it11:40
jonwilLets read the ofono source code and see how it parses the CBS packet11:40
DocScrutinizerjonwil: wow11:40
jonwilwow what?11:40
Venemo_N900now that everyone's disappointed, maybe we should find some insider who will give us the closed code11:41
DocScrutinizerwow for " I can get ofono to correctly decode", missed the rest11:41
jonwiljust figured it out11:41
DocScrutinizerit seems to me sms-cb has a different format than usual sms-pp11:42
jonwilyes it does11:42
DocScrutinizersomething like "up to 15 pages of 96"11:42
jonwilthe point is that thanks to ofono we have code to correctly decode the SMS_GSM_CB_MESSAGE11:43
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jonwilWOW, its displaying something11:43
SpeedEviljonwil: :)11:43
jonwilIts displaying "Victoria11:44
jonwiland I live in Victoria Park11:44
jonwilso it must be right11:44
jonwilLet me try with this other one11:44
SpeedEvilCongrats!11:44
DocScrutinizerGSM_XY_MESSAGE always parsing like GSM_GARBAGE when focusing somewhere else :-D11:44
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I knew you'll get it :-D11:45
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you're always way too pessimistic11:45
crashanddieOK, wtf.11:45
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: wazzup? your vodka frozen?11:46
Venemo_N900crashanddie: ?11:46
jonwilthis doesn't help us support it in userspace though11:46
crashanddieI get a call, "Hi, I was told you were one of the stakeholders in a Call Centre Management server, you deal mainly with VoIP and SIP, correct?" Me: "err, correct".11:46
crashanddieThen he goes "I'm selling some text recognition software, would you be interested in integrating it into your server?"11:46
rangeYay for video phones.11:46
crashanddieI'm still trying to figure out how the fuck we're going to sell "VoIP Text Recognition"11:48
jonwilnow it prints "Kensington" which is another suburb in my area11:48
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you ever checked all the friggin *.db if those SM CB maybe pile up there, and dbus signal is just a pointer to the new record?11:48
jonwilno, they definatly dont end up in any database11:48
SpeedEviljonwil: As to UI - how about a simple thingy that dumps it on stdout?11:48
SpeedEvilfor a start, at least.11:49
Venemo_N900crashanddie: why didn't you just say no?11:49
DocScrutinizerso maybe they pile up in cmt storage and you need to pull?11:49
crashanddieVenemo_N900, I never said yes ;)11:49
jonwilnope, they dont pile up in CMT storage11:49
Venemo_N900crashanddie: :)11:49
DocScrutinizerhmm11:49
DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕11:49
jonwilI can confirm that I get the right data (or something resembling the right data) from packets sent between the cellmo and AP11:49
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jonwilwhich is what I am dumping with tcpdump11:50
DocScrutinizer:nod:11:50
DocScrutinizerso do the dbus signals differ?11:50
jonwilI can confirm data gets passed to IncomingCBS11:50
SpeedEvilAh - so not really a possible sane solution, if you need tcpdump as yet11:50
jonwilall we need is to figure out why the data coming into IncomingCBS is bogus11:50
DocScrutinizer...for Victora and Kensington?11:50
DocScrutinizermoo SpeedEvil11:51
SpeedEviloow11:51
jonwiltime to test something in my old phone just to see what the actual cell tower names are11:53
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jonwilShould be enough battery in this thing to get it to boot and display the cell tower name11:55
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DocScrutinizerbyebye apt, hope to see you soon infoboot11:59
jonwilwell that was a bust, the phone didnt have enough battery to be usefull and give me a tower name12:00
jonwiland I cant be stuffed finding the charger :P12:01
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infobotOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)12:01
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jonwilok, looks like Victoria is the correct name (there seems to be a limit on the # of characters allowed for a cell broadcast SMS tower ID/name)12:02
jonwilOn my new carrier that I only just switched to, the tower is called EastvicPark12:03
jonwillanguage is listed as en :)12:03
DocScrutinizeryes, that's treated somehat special afaik12:03
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RST38hSooo, gentlemen, what are today's news?12:04
jonwilwell the latest news is that I can now dump any Cell Broadcast SMS that my carrier may send12:04
jonwiland then decode that message12:05
jonwilI can also decode any message someone else may dump12:05
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jonwilis there a text editor for the N900?12:13
SpeedEvilvi12:13
SpeedEvilWhat more do you need?12:13
SpeedEvilOh - if you're one of these new-fangled types, there is vim.12:14
RobbieThe1stHeh12:14
kerioemacs!!!!!!!1!112:14
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DocScrutinizermcedit ;-D12:15
khertan_KhtEditor12:16
khertan_http://khertan.net/khteditor12:16
khertan_:)12:16
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rzrkhertan_: backported to diablo ?12:19
khertan_ah ... sorry ;)12:19
rzrkerio: do u use emacs on nit ?12:19
khertan_does qt 4.7 run on Diablo ?12:19
keriono12:19
kerioi use emacs on my laptop12:19
khertan_else i suggest PyGTKEditor12:19
rzrsame here12:19
khertan_:)12:19
rzri use leafpad, but it sucks :(12:20
rzri wish i can use a text editor which i can run grep in it12:20
khertan_vim12:20
khertan_:)12:20
DocScrutinizerjonwil: would you mind to toss over the exact tcpdump line, so I can send you some SM CB on chan 221 containing things like roughly 554341136512:20
jonwilI dont need any more SMS CB right now12:20
jonwilany more dumps that is12:20
DocScrutinizer:-S12:21
DocScrutinizerk12:21
rzrkhertan_: wasnt there gvim available ?12:21
DocScrutinizerso what's the channel your Victoria is sent in?12:21
Venemo_N900khertan_: if you don't use 4.7 specific stuff, then you should be able to compile for N8x0 too12:21
jonwil5012:22
DocScrutinizersounds about correct12:22
jonwilall the cell broadcast cell tower ID messages I have send channel 5012:22
khertan_Venemo_N900, i don't use specifics stuff12:22
khertan_but some stuff on 4.6 maemo5 was bugged12:22
rzrlike ?12:22
khertan_and ... it s python12:22
khertan_so i should test it one day12:22
Venemo_N900khertan_: then it should work12:22
DocScrutinizerwell, if you aren't interested in chan 221, ok12:22
rzrkhertan_: i can help to port it , if you add a grep plugin :)12:23
Venemo_N900khertan_: I #if'd out the animation framework and it works12:23
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MohammadAGhonest question12:54
MohammadAGisn't today the day they shoiuld announce the N9?12:54
SpeedEvilMaybe.12:54
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SpeedEvilMight even show up in Ballmers paw, running w712:55
javispedroI wouldnt expect it12:55
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javispedroi am the nokia dev event12:55
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JaffaMohammadAG: I do not expect the N9 to be launched anytime soon.12:55
javispedro*at the dev event12:56
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javispedrowell12:56
javispedroshe just said there will be a big surprise this afternoon12:56
javispedroyet I wouldnt expect it to be the n912:56
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SpeedEvilProbably not.12:56
alteregoAny interesting news today?12:57
javispedroah surprise is now12:57
javispedrofree devices12:57
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lardmanjavispedro: are you there?12:57
timelessjavispedro: ooh, how'd you get to the event?12:58
lardmanand what are the freebies?12:58
* SpeedEvil ponders what the free devices are.12:59
SpeedEvilW7 branded boots?12:59
alteregoSpeedEvil: Nokia N9 with WP7 :P12:59
* lofty306 shreeks and covers his ears12:59
* alterego will, from now on, call Nokia and Microsoft "The Empire".12:59
javispedronokia e712:59
* lardman mow remembers why he gave up on Extras last time13:00
alteregojavispedro: you're f'cking kidding? sweet!13:00
SpeedEvilAh.13:00
lofty306run by an  exx M$  exec13:00
Venemo_N900javispedro: that's not news13:00
pupnikwhy lardman ?13:00
timelessVenemo_N900: you got one for free last week?13:00
lardmanpupnik: because the people commenting on the packages are rather abrupt, rude even13:00
Venemo_N900timeless: no13:00
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timelesswell, then getting one for free this week would be news13:00
Venemo_N900timeless: I saw an E7 a few months ago. N900 is superior to it13:00
alteregolardman: yeah, can happen :/13:00
timelesswe gave away n900s months after sales, e.g. at gnome and kde events iirc13:01
lofty306well what i read  was thee is a meego device still in works weather n9 or tablet?13:01
lofty306who knows13:01
timelesslofty306: s/weather/whether/13:01
lofty306haha13:01
pupnikVenemo_N900: e7 looks beautiful, how is n900 superior?13:02
lofty306atleast im not typoing every other word today13:02
timelesspupnik: non lame ui stack13:02
timelessnon lame applications13:02
Venemo_N900pupnik: E7 looks nice and has a nice keybd13:02
timelessnon lame edges13:02
pupnikehm, so no maemo for e7 eh13:02
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timelessthe edges past where the screen slides up suck actually13:02
timelessi used one recently13:02
pupnikthey get in the way of typing?13:03
Venemo_N900pupnik: E7 has lowres screen, slower cpu and worse camera afaik.13:03
timelessoh, there's one nice thing about the e7 (and presumably any related things)13:03
timelessif you type fn-5;fn-8;fn-5, it will search by phone lettering and find things like 'jukka'13:03
* timeless liked that feature13:04
* javispedro didn't get free device13:04
MohammadAGJaffa, I see13:04
* timeless vaguely recalls asking about it in the past13:04
timelessjavispedro: :(, why not?13:04
SpeedEviljavispedro: $10 if you get it booting meego.13:04
javispedromostly because I sneaked in =)13:04
pupnikwell if it had 800x480 and linux, i'd consider it13:04
alteregoSo apparently they're shutting down the Tampere facility.13:04
timelessalterego: good ridance13:04
tybollthang down your head meee-goooo poor boy you're bound to die...13:05
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javispedroeither way, symbian device. wtf?13:05
alteregohttp://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nokia-workers-walk-out-in-protest-2011021113:05
danuzhi there13:05
timelessjavispedro: "snuck" fwiw13:05
SpeedEviljavispedro: It's the OS of the future!13:05
danuzguys I get this stupid error:13:05
danuzW: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'13:05
danuzdo you know why? my sources.list is ok13:05
lardmanX-Fade: ping13:05
JaffaOf course, Nokia have to give away Symbian devices now ;-)13:06
JaffaFree N8s in London last week, IIRC13:06
* jonwil wouldn't use a N8 if someone PAID me to use it13:06
tybolltaren't there going to be a whole bunch of rather pissed off symbian users?13:06
alteregoAh, probably bogus13:06
maybeArghso that's how they plan to "sell" 150m in 201113:06
tybolltor irrate developers that were gearing up to catch two platforms w/ the one QT api?13:06
alteregoJaffa: why does no one tell me this! :(13:07
Venemo_N900jonwil: :D13:07
lofty306anyone go postal yet?13:07
pupniki don't see where there is space for a cpu and battery on he E713:07
danuzanyone?13:08
lardmandanuz: don't worry about that13:08
danuzlardman: uhm why? is just a warning?13:08
lardmandanuz: your encryption key is not available to check the download, or something like that13:09
Venemo_N900danuz: warning is not error13:09
lardmanyeah13:09
danuzok13:09
danuzcool13:09
* javispedro fails to see known maemo faces 13:09
danuz:)13:09
danuzthank you guys13:09
tybollthas there been a definite scrap announcement of the harmattan project?13:09
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DrGrovGood evening13:10
Venemo_N900javispedro: any news about meego/maemo there?13:10
DrGrovGood day I mean13:10
tybolltDrGrov: tjenis13:10
DrGrovI finally got myself a new phone today13:10
javispedronothing interesting yet13:10
DrGrovI opted for the HTC Desire HD13:10
tybolltDrGrov: android?13:10
tybolltuhuh13:10
DrGrovtybollt: Yes, android13:10
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tybolltfwiw the little brother has the better screen - though13:11
pupnikso when you getting maemo running on it :)13:11
Venemo_N900javispedro: have you been at Intel's stand yet?13:11
DrGrovpupnik: I should get Maemo running on it? :D13:11
javispedroyeah Venemo, saw nothing13:11
javispedrowill go back there after lunch13:11
DrGrovHow the hell do I charge the damn battery on this ?13:11
DrGrovI tried plugging it into the wall socket and the cables but it seems like it is "dead"....13:12
tybolltDrGrov: plug the usb-cable?13:12
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DrGrovtybollt: Yes, I plugged the usb cable.13:12
DrGrovtybollt: Put it in the wall and nothing, absolutely nothing.13:12
lofty306heh13:12
tybollthave you put a dead goat in the fridge and danced the voodo dance?13:12
DrGrovtybollt: LOL13:12
* lofty306 hands DrGrov a hammer13:12
DrGrovDoes it usually take long before the phone actually starts charging?13:13
tybolltDrGrov: try your n900 charger to make sure it is not a DOA charger13:13
javispedrooh finally a known face13:13
DrGrovtybollt: Don't have my N900 anymore13:13
DrGrovtybollt: Can I use a Samsung Galaxy S charger?13:13
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lardmanwould be nice to have some sort of statement from Nokia about the direction of Meego13:14
tybolltDrGrov: sure you can13:15
tybolltlong as it is microusb13:15
lofty306rthey all work if microusb13:15
lardmanlol http://www.devicemag.com/2011/02/14/mwc-2011-adobe-flash-10-2-on-handsets-soon/13:15
DrGrovtybollt: Ok, I will try13:15
alteregolardman: didn't that already happen? But yeah, something concrete would be good ..13:15
lardmanalterego: well there was a generic overview saying that Meego would become some sort of research entity, but would  be nice to know what sort, fot the employees as well as interested outsiders I'd have thought13:16
chem|stlardman: we have a statement13:17
lardmanhttp://www.slashgear.com/intel-meego-teaser-tips-mwc-2011-smartphone-tablet-reveal-13133115/13:17
alteregoI would like Elop: "I'm a dickhead, MS ftw, we want to kill any chance of a real FOSS mobile platform. It's just too much to have 3 large contenders to pitch WP7 against."13:17
lardmanchem|st: you're a Nokian?13:17
chem|stlardman: no but elop said something about a market distracting meego device this year...13:17
lofty306hahaa13:17
lardmanchem|st: oh right, must have missed that bit13:18
alteregoHeh, "market distracting"? :/13:18
lardmanchem|st: market distracting, what does that mean?13:18
alteregoYou mean like "wtf is this scht!?"13:18
lofty306gets in the waay of wp77713:18
lofty306err...13:18
RST38hlardman: The funny part was when Elop was saying "we" referring to Microsoft13:18
lardmanlike "make them look that way while we all bugger off with M$ in the other"?13:18
javispedroseemingly they also gave out n813:18
chem|stalterego: no one knows yet what he means by "distracting" but he uses "distracting" and "meego" a lot in the very same sentences13:18
RST38hlardman: In some statement where he said that "we" give Nokia a lot of value13:18
lardmanah lol13:19
Venemo_N900alterego: have you seen http://www.msqt.org/ ?13:19
pupnikgood catch, RST38h13:19
lardmanwell tomorrow it is for the Intel reveal then according to that link13:19
chem|stafaiu will winMobile replace symbian and not the meego strategy13:19
RST38hlardman: Took me a few minutes trying to parse the sentence looking for some reasonable interpretation, but no, he definitely referred to MS as "we"13:19
khertan_chem|st, so why reduce meego budget13:19
khertan_?13:19
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chem|stkhertan_: where is that stated? that's rumours isn't it?13:20
khertan_chem|st, no it was one of the graphics13:20
khertan_show13:20
khertan_not rumours13:20
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chem|stlink pls13:21
timelesschem|st: not "distracting", "disrupting"13:21
Venemo_N900chem|st: no, there was some investments webpage about it13:21
chem|sttimeless: oh sorry...13:21
timelesschem|st: the rest of the statement still holds :)13:21
lardmanX-Fade: have to pop out, but mBarcode is still blocked on mbarcode-plugin-ii; were you able to remove it from the repo? Any other ideas?13:21
timelessbut getting the right english word is somewhat important13:21
chem|sttimeless: ain't gettin younger...13:21
khertan_chem|st, i m look for it13:22
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chem|sttimeless: sure but does not make that a difference in this case does it13:22
alteregoVene13:22
alteregourm .. meh ..13:22
khertan_they deface also the nokia.com web site13:22
khertan_ouch13:22
timelesskhertan_: eh?13:23
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/elop_not_an_ms_trojan/ <-- hmm13:23
khertan_timeless, nokia + ms :)13:24
timelesskhertan_: nokia's web site has always looked like crap13:24
timelessat least now it isn't animated13:24
khertan_timeless, no it s worse now :)13:24
DrGrovWhat might the problem?13:24
timelessit's actually less crappy for it13:24
DrGrovNot even the phone gets turned on13:24
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khertan_you connect to nokia.com and the first thing you see is : Microsoft13:25
khertan_:)13:25
khertan_well place in the middle of the screen13:25
jonwilGood News Everyone. I am 100% sure that I can get Cell Broadcast SMS working.13:25
chem|stlooking at E7 design... would make a good start for meego/harmattan but pls replace the touchscreen with a resistive one13:25
DrGrovtybollt: You think the whole device is borked?13:25
khertan_chem|st, you were true ... i didn't found any source i can trust about reduce of Meego R&D Budget13:25
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pupnikjonwil: is that a feature N900 doesn't have now?13:26
jonwilyep its not present in N90013:26
chem|stkhertan_: that's what I read... just rumours... and harmattan sounds like testing already...13:26
* chem|st thinks that there will be a harmattan device before any windows one13:26
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jonwilWhat I am seeing with the IncomingCBS dbus signal  is either that A.I am wiring up the dbus signal wrong or B.(and this is definatly possible based on what I see with IDA) there is a bug in the SMS code13:26
khertan_chem|st, of course ...13:27
chem|stjonwil: what is the purpose?13:27
DocScrutinizerjonwil: \o/13:27
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: purpose of SMS-CB?13:28
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yep...13:28
DocScrutinizerwikipedia "cell broadcast"13:28
chem|stnever recieved on on other phones...13:28
DocScrutinizermaybe just because you never enabled the feature :-P13:28
* timeless remembers a McDonalds in downtown Prague that used SMS-CB13:29
DocScrutinizerheh, location based commercial sms-cb13:29
DocScrutinizercoooooolshit13:29
chem|stlol13:30
chem|stok now I get it13:30
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DocScrutinizerthough it's designet to serve that purpose as well, I never heard of a real implementation13:30
chem|stI thought the other way round at first13:30
chem|stdoes it enable us to send BCs?13:31
chem|stor just receive?13:31
DocScrutinizernobody ever enables you to *send* SM CB13:31
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_mwc_investor_assurances/ <-- hehe13:31
DocScrutinizerit's a one-to-many broadcast BTS-originated13:31
rmrfchikhttp://mxr.meego.com wtf???13:31
DocScrutinizerwtf wtf?13:32
DocScrutinizerdown?13:32
timelessrmrfchik: jebba got annoyed13:32
rmrfchikcheck it out13:32
DocScrutinizernew? up? good? porn?13:32
DocScrutinizermeh13:32
rmrfchikporn13:32
timelesssoft porn13:32
DocScrutinizerWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHURHJ!!!13:32
rmrfchiki consider this hard pr0n13:32
timelessrmrfchik: IBM or Oracle might be hard porn13:33
_berto_rmrfchik: wtf is that?13:33
timeless_berto_: it's supposed to be like mxr.maemo.org13:33
rmrfchik_berto_: you tell me ;)13:33
timelessbut for meego.com13:33
timelessbut its' currently making a statement13:33
_berto_ah yeah13:33
timelesss/its'/it's/13:33
infobottimeless meant: but it's currently making a statement13:33
DocScrutinizernow THAT IS TOO MUCH, MICROSOFT!!13:33
timelessnamely: nokia moved on; and MeeGo hosting hasn't happened yet even though it was promised about half a year ago13:34
timelessnote: this isn't my statement, i have no control over it13:34
DocScrutinizerI bet intel and Linux foundation must feel pissed about THAT SHIT13:35
timeless(the service you can't see because of the statement is mine, but as it's hosted by someone else, i'm at the mercy of him and he feels the need to make a statement)13:35
timelessDocScrutinizer: i doubt it13:35
timelessthey control dns for meego.com, they could kill it if they cared13:35
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timelessthey believe very few users visit the site and thus it isn't a priority13:35
DocScrutinizerso WHAT THE F*CK??!!13:36
DocScrutinizerM$ actively sabotaging meego now?=13:36
chem|st"it resembles Symbian circa 2001"13:36
ruskiehehe13:36
ruskieDocScrutinizer, you expected something else?13:37
timelessDocScrutinizer: no, that was nokia13:37
timelessDocScrutinizer: meego.com is supposed to be hosted @OSU13:37
chem|styou wanna get told something sweet or the truth?13:37
VeggenI lost my Nokia N900 in a taxi on vacation two weeks ago...13:37
timelessbut it was hosted mostly at some ISP13:37
VeggenNow I'm not sure I want a new one.13:37
timelessand they were taking too long adding services13:37
timelessso i arranged to get third party hosting and they agreed to provide a CNAME13:38
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timelessACadambi: interesting host you've got there13:38
ACadambi??13:38
ACadambitimeless: ??13:39
ruskielol13:39
DocScrutinizerwell, lemme tell you one thing. If ever I'd been interested in meego, and clicked THAT page, you know what happened to my notion about meego, you do, no?13:39
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ACadambiah..13:39
ACadambitimeless: not a crime, is it?13:39
timelessDocScrutinizer: if i was ever interested in nokia or maemo and i ever clicked a link to either site, i'd have lost interest immediately13:39
chem|stACadambi: close to...13:40
timelessACadambi: absolutely not :)13:40
chem|st^^13:40
timelessACadambi: i happen to like a number of their products13:40
timelessand i respect their ability to convert losers into profit13:40
timeless(something many others totally fail @)13:40
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chem|st.oO(you arent looking at µsoft are you?!)13:40
ACadambitimeless: so you are saying nokia would have been better off with Oracle? :p13:40
lofty306hehe13:41
chem|stlol13:41
DocScrutinizersure13:41
timelessACadambi: i'd imagine that if oracle bought nokia, they'd have done something similar13:41
timelessi.e. killed most of the groups13:41
chem|stnoone would ever pay 2k for a smartphone...13:41
timelessand found a path to make money13:41
lofty306they would of probably junked meego rite off13:41
DocScrutinizerespecially for the cute embedded desktop Oracle has to offer :-D13:41
timelesslofty306: s/rite/right/13:41
lofty306thnx13:42
xkr47chem|st, few years ago most people wouldn't have paid 400e for a smartphone13:42
ACadambiwell, I happen to love my N900 and maemo...In hindsight, would have even paid more for the phone..13:42
DocScrutinizerI'll never pay 4 cent for any M$ product13:42
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xkr47yes13:43
lofty306i told myself i was buying a laptop13:43
DocScrutinizerunless needed for business with my customers13:43
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ruskieACadambi, well I payed 620eur for my n90013:43
* DocScrutinizer still shuddering13:43
ruskiebought it direct from nokia without an operator in between13:44
DocScrutinizertoo much M$ impact in the early morning13:44
timelessruskie: you paid the "i'm a stupid european" tax :)13:44
ruskietimeless, lol...13:44
ACadambiruskie: I bought direct as well, but not at that price.13:44
timelessruskie: it's cheaper in USD :)13:44
* lofty306 hands DocScrutinizer some advil13:44
ruskietimeless, basically I don't mind paying taxes... ;)13:44
timelessclearly13:45
* timeless heads out13:45
blackthornei bought in the store, new for 200eur13:45
* DocScrutinizer ponders adopting the habit to add 25% of Cuban Rum to his first 2..3 latte macciato13:45
Arkenoihttp://mxr.meego.com omfg13:46
ruskieArkenoi, yup13:46
lofty306yep13:46
DocScrutinizerDO NOT CLICK THAT LINK! you'll regret it!13:46
ruskietimeless, also this was like the day they got them in stock here...13:46
* alterego clicks the link13:47
* Arkenoi fist smartphone was $1K+13:48
alteregoI'm not getting anything.13:48
DocScrutinizerruskie: don't worry, I payed as much, but some 3 months+ in advance13:48
MohammadAGalterego, ha13:48
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DocScrutinizermo moh!13:48
ruskieDocScrutinizer, ahhh I actually wanted to play with it first...13:48
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ruskiemanaged to play with a demo unit that they got a couple of weeks before they had for sale stock13:49
ruskieand I liked it there and then...13:49
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, morning13:49
rmrfchikArkenoi: slowpoke detected13:49
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: got breakfast? If so, don't click THAT LINK!13:50
lofty306hehehee13:50
DocScrutinizerif not, don't do it either :-P13:50
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denohi there13:50
MohammadAGalterego, maybe this'll help http://i55.tinypic.com/2ihtatl.jpg13:50
denocan you tell me how to recompile the power-kernel?13:51
denoI tried:13:51
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DocScrutinizeralterego: congrats, you got a very nice crapfilter in your browser13:51
denomake EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51_defconfig13:51
denobut I got errors13:51
denowhen compiling13:51
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I already did :P13:51
denoI tried also: make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51power_defconfig13:52
MohammadAGit's a low move by MS13:52
alterego:/13:52
* DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG a bucket with water and a cleaning rag13:52
alteregoHow the fuck ...13:52
lofty306what did nokia have dns for it or something?13:53
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deno?13:55
MohammadAGdeno, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b is the easiest way13:55
alteregoMohammadAG: I use, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b13:56
alterego:P13:56
denouhm13:56
denook13:56
denoI'll try it thanks :)13:56
MohammadAGalterego, "-r" makes it longer :P13:57
DocScrutinizer<Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: i think jebba just set back any trust in volunteers giving server space a year :)       <CosmoHill> jebba has cocked it up for the rest of us13:57
denoI got this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt sdk-fiasco-gen libncurses5-dev sharutils uboot-mkimage u-boot-for-power-kernel13:57
alteregoMohammadAG: it's "safer" :P13:58
MohammadAGwhat did jebba do?13:58
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DocScrutinizermxr.meego.com.          84865   IN      CNAME   mxr.moego.org.13:58
MohammadAGapt-get build-dep kernel-power13:58
denoMohammadAG, what is that command?13:58
denoI have modified a .c file of the kernel13:58
denoand now I want to compile it13:59
MohammadAGfetches build dependencies13:59
denok13:59
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MohammadAGactually13:59
MohammadAGput a fakeroot behind that command14:00
MohammadAGjust to be sure14:00
denonext error: E: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found14:00
denoah ok14:00
denonow I'll try it14:00
denosame error14:01
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DocScrutinizerDomain Name:MOEGO.ORG14:04
DocScrutinizerCreated On:19-Feb-2010 19:34:27 UTC14:04
javispedroit exists!!14:04
javispedrothe tablet ux!!!14:04
javispedroive played with it14:04
javispedroquite snappy14:04
DocScrutinizerAdmin Name:Direct Privacy LTD Direct Privacy ID14:04
javispedroa bit different than the older meegos14:04
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DocScrutinizerIP range is M$ though14:04
MohammadAGdeno read sdk instructions14:05
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MohammadAGinfobot, maemosdk14:05
infobothmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation14:05
denoMohammadAG, I installed correctly14:05
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MohammadAGyou don't have the nokia-binaries repo14:06
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denouhm14:06
denoMohammadAG, yes I have them14:07
denodeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/mykey nokia-binaries14:07
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Shapeshifterdamn it! I keep getting "Network connection error. Try again?" on my n900 for this crappy linksys AP. I can connect with my laptop (linux) but the n900 won't budge and it lacks iwconfig so I'm clueless as to how to make it connect manually.14:09
tybollt 5~14:09
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BCMMShapeshifter: anything good in dmesg?14:10
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_berto_Shapeshifter: try changing the power saving settings on the n90014:11
_berto_at least the N8x0 had issues with that IIRC14:11
ShapeshifterBCMM: wl1251: down, wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 25 rx blocks at 0x3a780, wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7), wl1251: down <-- all this 3 times14:11
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if jebba played a prank on meego, or if ARIN / M$ fscked jebba14:11
BCMMyeah, try powersaving, though in my experience that's more likely to manifest as random disconnections when idle rather than a failure to connect in the first place14:12
Shapeshifter_berto_: trying now, although I know the n900 eats battery like hell without power saving wlan. I'm sure it's the crappy AP, since my laptop also sometimes fails to connect using netcfg, so I have to manually associate and dhcpcd and so on. I can get a super connection with my n900 to the free wlan from the hotel across the street >.>14:13
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: lacks iwconfig?14:13
BCMMShapeshifter: for some reason, crappy APs love telling the n900 they can do power-saving when they can't14:13
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BCMMi have iwconfig, do you need to fix your PATH?14:14
Shapeshifteroh, where is it?14:14
_berto_Shapeshifter: at least try to see if that's the problem14:14
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BCMMmaemo is one of those distros that protects the normal user from accidentally discovering sbin... that always annoys me14:14
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DocScrutinizermy N900 falls out of DHCP server in router all the time, though it keeps the local addr and seems fine on pings14:14
Shapeshifterah wait. yeah, dmesg says "ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up"14:14
BCMMShapeshifter: /sbin/iwconfig14:15
BCMMShapeshifter: congratulations, you have a router with a worse power-saving implementation than mine :)14:15
DocScrutinizer...as long as your local ARP table has it14:15
ArkenoiIs there VNC server for maemo?14:15
DocScrutinizernow that's friggin weird14:15
BCMMArkenoi: x11vnc14:15
BCMMArkenoi: (that's for sharing the "real" display, not creating a wholy virtual desktop)14:16
_berto_Shapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=245185&postcount=514:16
ShapeshifterBCMM: this AP is total rubbish...14:16
ShapeshifterBCMM: the admin interface needs minutes for anything to load14:16
BCMMShapeshifter: what, *every* time?14:16
ArkenoiBCMM, well, better than nothing. It would be much more useful if i could run, say, messaging app to remote X server, but it does not seem to be possible :-(14:16
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ShapeshifterBCMM: yes, no matter what I do. And sometimes it starts telling my n900 that the wpa key is wrong and I have to enter it several times14:17
BCMMShapeshifter: when mine does that, i just reboot it since that means someone has done something like configure a BT client stupidly and the connection tracking has eaten all the RAM and died14:17
BCMMShapeshifter: wow, your AP sounds untrustworthy enough to constitute a fire risk...14:18
lofty306how aanoyiing14:18
ShapeshifterTurned power saving off, still gives me the same error -.- It sometimes worked in the past btw.14:19
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ShapeshifterI'm still trying to reach the 'firmware upgrade' menu to see if there's a new version14:19
BCMMShapeshifter: does the router have a way to turn off power-saving at its end?14:20
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lofty306or a 3rd party firmware?14:20
Shapeshifterno. I cannot choose much. channel and transmission standard14:20
BCMMalso, how did you disable it for the n900? advanced edit of the network connection in systemsettings?14:20
Shapeshifterhttp://login.icu.uzh.ch/~archer/linksys.png and this stuff14:21
ShapeshifterBCMM: yes, exactly14:21
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Shapeshiftermeh, newest firmware already14:24
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Shapeshifteruh, restarted n900, works first try14:26
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Shapeshifterbtw, dmesg says Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods14:26
Shapeshifterlazy nokia!14:26
fluxthey should've added BUG or similar. who spends time on fixing warnings?14:28
Shapeshifterprobably the powersaving setting didn't get saved properly or something14:29
Shapeshiftersince it still gave the error in dmesg even though I had it turned off14:29
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Oli``Anybody know if there's a changelog for today's Community SSU update?14:31
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ruskiewhat community ssu update?14:35
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Jaffa~CSSU14:36
infobotrumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU14:36
JaffaOli``: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=945974&postcount=605 - if you could update http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog (if it hasn't already), that'd be *enormously* appreciated and an easy way of giving back to the developers14:37
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Oli``Jaffa: thank you14:37
ruskiehmm interesting14:39
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ruskieI should switch to that14:41
ruskiebut I think I'd need to reflash the entire device for it to actually work effectively... I'm running with only a few MBs free on / for some reason... and haven't yet went exploring on what packge is abusing that(don't even know where to start with that)...14:43
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thpJaffa: http://www.mwkn.net/2011/07/download.html still contains "lead-in" at some point - i guess that's a placeholder crying for replacement? ;)14:44
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Oli``ruskie: you could install the Faster Application Manager. It makes removing lots of things at once pretty simple and fast (rather than HAM's: remove, reload package list, remove, reload package list, pain)14:45
thpJaffa: at the start of "Work to get cell broadcast messages working on N900" to be exact14:45
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ruskieOli``, my default use is apt-get ;)14:45
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Oli``ruskie: probably where a lot of your / has gone then14:46
ruskieOli``, nope14:46
ruskiesince all the apt metadata is offloaded to the emmc14:46
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ruskieI guess what I'd like to see from a community ssu is ability to have a small / and offload everything else to emmc...14:47
LjL-N810do you think i should be able  to feed fake data to gps programs by writing nmea into /dev/pgps?14:47
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thomasvsHi.  every time I connect my phone to the network my phone slows down to an unusable crawl for roughly 2-3 minutes... what is a good way to debug what's going on in that time ?14:48
thomasvsI see various things happening, like skype updating, apt doing downloading and gzipping (I'd like to turn that off), modest syncing, ...14:48
Jaffathp: Thanks14:52
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Jaffathp: Grr, GAN900 replaced the '...' which is checked for with the text "lead-in" :-/14:54
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E0xwhy this channel is still open ?!! ( just kidding....)14:55
Jaffathp: GAN900: Nope, it's more FUBAR than that.14:55
E0xmorning all14:55
lofty306http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/intel-shows-off-more-of-its-meego-tablet-ui-still-needs-lots-of/14:57
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LjL-N810cant i have the led blink on xchat messages? (n810)14:58
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GAN900Jaffa, what's I do?15:01
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JaffaGAN900: jonwil's article's weird15:04
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Jaffathp: Should be fixed15:05
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khertanhttp://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.4.5.465/sdkBinaries/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb15:08
khertangrrrrr15:08
khertansorry15:08
alteregoHeh,15:09
alteregokhertan: I see your trollin' :P15:09
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khertanmy trollin ? about ?15:09
khertanah oh the wrong copy paste15:10
khertannope not a troll just a wrong copy paste15:10
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alteregokhertan: I know, I was kidding :P15:12
khertani ve just update windows in the vm ... and now the vm didn't start anymore15:13
khertangrr15:13
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jonwilslowly making progress with some of my wishlist items15:16
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RST38hMeanwhile: "A 22,000-member group for Saudis studying in the US on the social networking website Facebook has been split into two groups, one for women and one for men. The split follows a request from the group's female members who wanted extra privacy."15:18
pupnikhttp://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175352/tomgram%3A_chase_madar%2C_the_trials_of_bradley_manning%2C_a_defense/  [ Why Bradley Manning Is a Patriot, Not a Criminal: An Opening Statement for the Defense of Private Manning ]15:19
jonwilIf it turns out that the bug in the SMS code that I suspect is there does turn out to be there, the way it would need to be fixed is to write some new code (either replacing the CBSMS code in csd-sms.so and possibly also libsms.so or replacing csd-sms.so and libsms.so completly)15:19
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RST38hpupnik: "We appreciate your input. Now let us discuss: 25 years or 20 years?"15:21
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derfRST38h: Is that the amount of time until we bother trying him for anything?15:23
RST38hderf: Depends on how likely we are to get a conviction15:24
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jacekowskijonwil: bug/15:24
jacekowskijonwil: ?15:25
jonwilI dont know whether the issue is that I am using the IncomingCBS signal wrong15:25
Jaffajonwil: Top tip for the future, btw - try having a single mailing list thread in which you talk about your SMS stuff rather than about 3 ;-). Makes pointing people to it from MWKN easier ;-)15:25
jonwilor whether there is a bug in the SMS stack15:25
jonwilok :P)15:26
jonwil:P)15:26
jonwil:)15:26
jacekowskiwell, i think it's something else15:26
jacekowskibecause i've seen dbus function called15:27
derfRST38h: Ah, you _are_ Russian.15:27
derfYou understand how this works.15:27
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jonwilI can confirm that the dbus call is triggered15:27
jonwilits a matter of whether we are talking to it properly15:28
RST38hderf: Get used to this stuff, looks like American justice department finally learned it15:28
jacekowskijonwil: as in, you get something with dbus-monitor?15:28
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jonwilyes15:28
jonwilI wrote a program to try and test that signal15:28
jonwiland I get data15:29
jonwilbut not what I expect15:29
derfRST38h: They've always know it. What they learned from you is that it's more effective if you don't even pretend to hide what you're doing.15:29
DocScrutinizerjonwil: I asked that before, but... Do the dbus msgs differ for different SM CB?15:29
derf*known15:29
jacekowskiyes15:30
jonwilI dont know for sure, its confusing me15:30
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: if you'd pastebin your cmdlines and results, that'd maybe help for others to participate and figure15:31
jonwilI posted what I have to the mailing list15:32
jonwilmy dbus test stuff15:32
pupnik"When a friend is in trouble, don't annoy him by asking if there ia anything you can do. think up something appropriate and do it" -Edgar Watson Howe15:32
DocScrutinizeraah15:32
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jonwilbut yeah if my analysis with IDA is correct, we will likely need a replacement for all or part of libcsd-sms.so, libsms.so or both15:33
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RST38hderf: Yeah, the time is right for it15:34
RST38hderf: In the age of social networks, people appreciate sincerety :)15:34
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: which mail? which list?15:35
jonwilmaemo-developer15:35
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DocScrutinizersorry can't find anything showing actual output of dbus-monitor, nor tcpdump nor anything else, incl commands used to produce those15:37
jonwilI posted a sample program that talks to the IncomingCBS signal (or tries to anyway)15:37
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DocScrutinizerwell, I'm not able to find anything. Given the relative amount of effort it takes to pastebin a few lines from shell, compared to the 10000 random entries in [maemo-devel]15:39
DocScrutinizer...15:39
DocScrutinizersorry15:39
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LjL-N810DocBitter15:43
jonwil/me hopes stskeeps can convince the right people at Nokia to allow publication of some of the packages and info I need to properly and completly implement sms-cb without needing to find an ARM guru to help me reverse engineer stuff (packages like csd-sms-dev, libisi-dev, libsms-dev and others)15:45
jonwilWith just a handfull of headers and dev packages I could really bust things open for the Maemo N900 :P15:45
jonwilworst comes to worst we get a "no" or no response at all and we move on15:46
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: you're asking for support and docs and... all the time, but you actually aren't really helpful in getting on same level as you are, by e.g. simply sharing a dbus-monitor output. It's extremely annoying to "RE" your anecdotes to imagine what you are just looking at15:50
jonwilMy dbus command line is simply dbus-monitor --system | grep -i SMS15:51
DocScrutinizerfine, so if you add the output you got, somebody can actually pick up and reproduce, compare, try to help15:52
jonwilthat wont help15:52
jonwilAll my real findings are covered by the mail I sent titled "Progress on Cell Broadcast, testing and help needed"15:52
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* DocScrutinizer shrugs15:53
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RST38hSmartQ also switches to Android15:58
RST38hWith piezoelectric touch screen too, so you can use nails15:59
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stevomanuyo all16:26
stevomanujust wandering does any1 know what is wrong with the email system at maemo !!16:26
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pupnikis it being switched to MS Exchange?16:28
stevomanuno idea but y emails dont come any more , aint even had a reply from a mod16:29
stevomanument my emails16:29
pupnikhow did you get a maemo.org email address?16:29
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stevomanuwhen i make or reply to a post i used to get an email to say if there been a reply . . . they stopped working16:33
andre__stevomanu: what do you talk about? maemo mailing lists? the maemo mail client? your @maemo.org mail address?16:34
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jacekowskispiritd: you have to follow that thread16:34
jacekowskii think following doesn't happen automatically for like a year or so16:35
stevomanueven new post i have follewed an select instant email Notification still nothing16:36
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DrGrovFound out the problem for the phone not starting16:42
DrGrovThere was a minor little plastic thing stuck in between the phone and battery LOL16:42
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pupniknobody cares DrGrov, take it to #android16:45
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DrGrovpupnik: Sure thing, I knew nobody cares so16:47
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RST38hYeaaah: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/mars500_landing/17:07
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javispedromartians!!17:07
RST38hSimulated martians!17:08
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javispedro"The most difficult but the most interesting part of this psychological study of long flights is still ahead: the crew is now faced with another monotonous ‘interplanetary cruise’ without a highlight like the Mars landing to look forward to."17:10
javispedroyou know, I would really look forward to a simulated Mars landing...17:10
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GAN900Maybe we can use Stephen Elop for it.17:22
rzr 6.66 they're doomed now  : http://identi.ca/notice/6446619417:23
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denohi guys17:23
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denoI have modified a .c file of the power kernel source and now I'm trying to recompile it but without success17:25
denoi tried: cp debian/rx51power_defconfig arch/arm/configs/17:25
denomake EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 rx51power_defconfig17:25
denomake EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 bzImage17:25
denobut I got17:25
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denoIn file included from arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.c:37:17:25
denoarch/arm/plat-omap/include/mach/pm.h:111:2: error: #error "Power management for this processor not implemented yet"17:25
denomake[1]: *** [arch/arm/mach-omap2/pm.o] Error 117:25
denomake: *** [arch/arm/mach-omap2] Error 217:25
denoI had also tried: make EXTRAVERSION=$(dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -ne 's/^Version: .*-maemo\(.*\)/.10power\1/p') rx51power_defconfig modules_prepare17:26
denobut same errors17:26
denofakeroot apt-get build-dep kernel-power instead gives me:17:26
denoE: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found17:26
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rm_worklol rzr17:30
rzrthis is not funny17:30
rzri would like to see your face if the beast ring your door17:31
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rm_workmy bill at Taco Bell is 6.66 regularly17:32
rm_workone time the cashier lady got so freaked out she gave me 10% off so the total would change17:33
merlin1991rm, you're the pure evil17:33
rm_worklolol17:33
merlin1991and now you always get the same waiting for another 10% discount? :D17:33
rm_worki would always get the same regardless17:33
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rm_workif i recall correctly, it's "two cheesy gordita crunches, a 1/2lb beef&potato burrito, and a soda"17:34
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rm_workjust my usual17:34
rm_workhappens a lot at other places too for me17:35
rm_worki think it's a confirmation bias thing17:35
* rzr rings the vatican17:35
rm_workit's equally probable given small purchases :P17:35
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denoanyone?17:37
GAN900Taco Bell, interestingly, has only one menu item without wheat.17:38
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lardmanGAN900: that would make my wife unhappy17:39
lardmandeno: what are you trying to achieve?17:41
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denolardman, I have modified a .c file17:42
lardmanI realise that, but why?17:42
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denobecause I have problems17:43
denoI get an error and I want to bypass it17:43
denoand the only way is to modify the kernel17:43
denolardman, have you an idea of how to compile it?17:43
lardmanyes, but what is the error, it might well help us17:44
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lardmanand more importantly what have you modified to stop it from compiling?17:44
denois about high bandwidth transfers17:44
denoI modified just a /driver/ file17:45
lardmanso not the one that is causing the error?17:45
denoI think I gave the wrong command17:45
denono I don't think so17:46
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lardmandid you try a standard debian build?17:47
lardmannot sure what the EXTRAVERSION stuff is supposed to do17:47
denoare you saying: compile it without modify the files?17:47
denoYep me too, I don't know exactly what is the exact command to put it17:47
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lardmanI mean modify your driver, but then don;t bother moving the defconfig17:48
lardmanI guess you don;t need to alter the defconfig>17:48
lardman?17:48
denouhm17:49
denoare you saying to do just the make EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 bzImage command?17:49
lardmanI've no clue where that EXTRAVERSION stuff comes from17:50
lardmanI'd just do "make nameofmydefconfig"17:50
denoI read the maemo-kernel file and there was written to use the EXTRAVERSION stuff.. but I'm not modifying the normal kernel image..17:51
lardmanyou're just trying to rebuild a driver on its own?17:51
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GAN900lardman, both the ground beef and corn tortillas has flour filler.17:53
GAN900lardman, celiac?17:53
lardmannah just wheat allergy17:53
lardmanmild, not anyphlaxis (sp?)17:53
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denouhm17:54
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denoI have just eliminated something from this file: drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c17:55
GAN900lardman, yeah, me too.17:55
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lardmanand you're apparently not compiling it correctly17:55
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lardmanGAN900: though I should probably keep that "mild" comment to myself, or face death ;)17:56
denoyep17:56
lardmanhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_the_kernel17:57
lardmanactually that page isn't very good17:57
denouhm17:57
denowhy not?17:57
denoI used it17:57
denomaybe it's that the cause17:58
lardmanwhat device is this btw?17:58
denois the kinect17:58
lardman?17:58
lardmanWhat is that?17:58
denoa camera17:58
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lardmanrunning Maemo?17:58
denono17:58
GAN900lardman, hehe.17:59
denoI have to use the nokia with that17:59
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lardmanwhich device are you trying to compile the kernel module for?>17:59
GAN900lardman, Microsoft Kinect.17:59
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lardmanno, please, someone just say the name of a Nokia device17:59
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lardmanI'm guessing the 770 in the absence of any other evidence18:00
SpeedEviln331018:00
lardman;)18:00
* lardman goes back to work18:00
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SpeedEvil:wave18:00
denoyep18:00
eichihello. its common, that eCoach does not activate gps by itself?18:00
Pitagorahi all18:00
eichior a bug on my device?18:00
PitagoraI am new user18:01
SpeedEvilHello Pitagora.18:01
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Pitagorasorry for my bed english18:01
lardmandeno: decide whether you're recompiling the whole kernel or just a module, I guess you'll need to compile the whole kernel if you modify the usb subsystem; look at what the debian/rules file does in your source deb, run the same command or just issue the standard dpkg-buildpackage commant18:01
PitagoraI have got one question18:01
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denolardman, the standard dpkg-buildstuff command doesn't work :(18:02
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lardmandeno: what does it do? Does it have that EXTRAVERSION stuff in it?18:02
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PitagoraI have got samsung galaxy S (android 2.2) can I install maemo on my phone?18:02
SpeedEvilPitagora: no.18:03
Pitagorawhy?18:03
lardmanPitagora: no, though Meego is wip18:03
denolardman, I get this: E: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found18:03
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lardmanremove that dep, or simply tell it to override the deps then18:03
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denouhm18:04
denok I'll try to figure it out18:05
lardmanedit the control file to remove the dep, or just pass the right flag to dpkg-buildpackage to ignore the deps18:05
lardmanI can't remember it off the top of my head, but just run the command with -h and it will tell you the options18:06
denokk18:06
Pitagoralardman: what does mean wip?18:06
denothank you mate18:06
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lardmanwork in progress18:07
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lardmanPitagora: are you a developer?18:08
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Pitagoralardman: thank you. When can I install this os on my phone?18:08
lardmanI take it not :)18:09
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lardmanno idea, you'll have to keep track of the hummingbird page to see how things go18:09
lardmanI don't have one, I'm working on the Tab, though similar hw18:09
Pitagoralardman: yes, I am developer18:09
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alteregoflowers: check, chocolates: check, card: check, dinner: check18:10
* alterego drinks a beer18:10
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lardmanalterego: not sure "drunk before wife/gf" gets home will earn you brownie points ;)18:11
alteregoHeh,18:11
lardmanoops, slight misquote, but you know what I mean :)18:11
alteregoI need it :P18:11
luke-jralterego: prepend list with 'shower' and append with 'sex'?18:11
alteregoluke-jr: hah :)18:11
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luke-jrassuming you're married18:11
lardmans/append/interleave?18:11
alteregoNo, not married.18:11
lardmanpah, you wish18:11
Pitagoralardman: when can I install this os on my phone?18:11
lardmanPitagora: see my response above, once it's working18:12
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alteregoI'm going to meet her afterwork in a suit and tie :)18:12
alteregoWith all the things.18:12
luke-jrand drunk. :p18:12
GAN900alterego, this the one you were complaining about the other week?18:13
lardmanGAN900: he has more than one wife? ;)18:13
alteregoGAN900: yeah,18:13
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alteregoI'm not married!18:13
lardmanah ok :)18:14
jacekowskialterego: good for you18:15
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jacekowskialterego: best decission you could have made18:15
lardmanI bought a bottle of champagne, but as my wife is pregnant went for a small bottle (she'll have a glass, so I'll have to finish the rest - hard life)18:15
Pitagoralardman:  why did you ask me if I am a developer?18:15
lardmanPitagora: because then you could help finish it18:16
lardmanbut small bottles of champagne are really quite expensive for what you get18:16
lardmancatch-2218:16
Pitagoralardman: I am interested18:17
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lardmanPitagora: are you a kernel hacker or have experience with low level Linux setup?18:17
Pitagoralardman: is there a repo or a web site on internet18:17
pupniktrivia: aviation-certified sunlight-readable screens need 750-1000 NITs18:17
lardmanPitagora: no, it's not that far, take a look at the hummingbird page on the meego wiki18:18
alteregojacekowski: you mean, best mistake I've not yet made? :P18:18
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arack95that's horrible D:18:20
Jaffalardman: Congratulations to you & Mrs lardman, btw!18:21
lardmanI admit I don't share that jaundiced view of marriage either (yet... ;D )18:21
lardmanJaffa: thanks18:21
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Pitagoralardman: I have experience with low level Linux setup18:22
Pitagorahi arack9518:22
Pitagoraare you new user18:23
Pitagora^18:23
Pitagora?*18:23
GAN900alterego, congrats.18:23
GAN900lardman, too.18:23
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Pitagoratutti quelli di pierotofy qui18:23
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lardmanwell have a chat to stroughtonsmith on #meego-arm as he is the chap doing the work on the Meego port; you'll need to get the mic2 buildsystem ready to go to build your own images, etc18:23
lardmanGAN900: thanks18:23
Pitagoralardman: thanks18:25
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lardmanPitagora: hmm, perhaps he's working on the Nexus S, yeah, too many names with S in them18:26
lardmanhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird18:26
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lardmananyway I guess it should be doable anyway on the Galaxy S, similar to the Galaxy Tab18:27
lardmanafaiu18:27
lardmanbut prepare for some kernel hacking in that case18:27
lardmanI'd also scour xda developers to see if anyone else is working on porting e.g. Ubuntu18:27
Pitagoralardman: i saw... Are you seeing a list of "What doesn't work"?  xD18:28
lardmanam I seeing one, or would you like me to tell you?18:28
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lardmanbecause the fundamental primary issue is that the only think that works is that one can perform a text based login18:29
lardmanother than that, everything needs to be sorted out18:29
lardmanincluding kernel patches to make the fb work for a graphical ui, hw acceleration, wifi, bt, etc, etc18:29
lardmanbut other than that, all in good shape18:30
lardman;)18:30
Pitagoraother than that?18:30
Pitagoraloool18:30
lardmanActually I think lilsteview may have a Galaxy S, ping him and ask, but same situation18:30
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lardmanPitagora: that's why I asked whether you were a developer18:31
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Pitagoralardman thanks18:32
lardmannp18:32
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Pitagorawhat does mean np?18:33
lardmanno problem18:33
Pitagoraok asd18:33
Pitagorabye18:33
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PitagoraI will return when the porting is complete!18:34
lardmanWe may be underwater before then18:34
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trumeewas there any hint of meego phone on mwc today?19:28
alteregotrumee: not that I am aware, tablets though :)19:30
trumeealterego: thanks19:30
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trumeealterego: does nokia plan to show any meego phone in mwc at all?19:30
alteregotrumee: doubtful19:31
alteregotrumee: I imagine any MeeGo offering will be low key, like probably back to 770 days19:31
alteregoProbably not even an N series device ..19:31
trumeealterego: thx19:32
alteregoI expect D-series :D19:32
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RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_some_of_our_features_are_missing/19:35
RST38henjoy19:36
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ruskiehehe RST38h beat me to it...19:42
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andre__thp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZeDI0BsoBM looks awesome! congrats!19:57
piggzandre__: wow, i want it!19:58
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denodoes anyone know where is the  sdk-fiasco-gen package?20:03
RST38hhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/acer-iconia-smart-hands-on-video/20:05
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ArGGu^^deno non-free20:07
denoI tried apt-get install sdk-fiasco-gen20:08
denoand apt-get install fiasco-gen but20:08
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denoI got the E: Couldn't find package  error20:08
ArGGu^^deno you need the non-free repo20:08
denouhm but the package's name is the sdk-fiasco-gen or just fiasco-gen20:10
ArGGu^^http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_non-free_armel/sdk-fiasco-gen/2.8.2.0.1+0m5/20:10
denoArGGu^^, I have it: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free20:10
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ArGGu^^it seems to have missing dependencies :S20:11
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denouhm20:11
denodamn it20:11
denoso is it not possible to compile it?20:11
denoI'm just trying to compile the power kernel20:12
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denoand I get this error20:12
deno:/20:12
thpandre__: :)20:12
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denomaybe it's a maemo bug: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is20:13
denonowhere to be found20:13
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trip0is there a way to make a dsc/changes file without actually building the deb?20:29
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trip0i need to fix a package but I don't want to have to setup scratchbox and all that stuff20:30
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jacekowskiyou can use autobuilder20:30
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trip0jacekowski, autobuilder requires you to have a dsc and changes file20:32
jacekowskiyes20:33
jacekowskiyou can get them all20:33
jacekowskihmm20:33
trip0i have the original sure,20:33
jacekowskino20:33
jacekowskii can give you account on my server20:33
trip0ooo20:33
jacekowskiwith scratchbox and stuff20:33
* pahartik just noticed that "Fennec beta 4" does not honor system proxy settings of "Maemo fremantle" like "Fennec beta 3" did20:33
trip0it should actually amount to a two line fix in libqtm-12-declarative20:34
jacekowskiquery20:35
jacekowskiand what username do you want20:35
jacekowskiand password20:35
jacekowskiall on query20:36
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mikki-kunhm, does anybody know how i can compile via g++ a very short script for my n900? (would be needed for tomorrow in classes for faster calculations)20:51
keriowrite it in python!20:51
mikki-kunkerio: i only know so far c++20:52
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federico2is there a good python support on the n900?20:52
keriothere's python20:52
Gh0stylol20:53
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Gh0stythats like asking if cars support gasoline :p20:53
mikki-kunGh0sty: some cars don't :) *pointing at EVs*20:53
federico2you mean Cpython?20:53
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federico2fine - but without libs it's not very useful20:53
Gh0styEV's ... an invention of stupid minds20:54
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Gh0stythe way to go is hybrids20:54
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federico2are there libs to build graphical applications?20:54
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Gh0styeven20:54
Gh0styI did not read the documentation that well and I know there are :P20:55
federico2thanks20:55
dangergrrllots of gtk apps are written in python20:56
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dangergrrlgtk is a language neutral library20:56
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dangergrrlhttp://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/12/intel-to-pursue-meego-with-or-without-nokia/20:58
dangergrrlthat already been linked here?20:58
Gh0stysince DocScrutinizer is not here I will asume his role20:59
Gh0stythis is not #meego20:59
Proteouslol20:59
Gh0stywe dont care about meego20:59
Gh0styetc20:59
Gh0stybut on a personal sidenote: poor nokia21:00
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Gh0styjust read stome stuff about windows 721:00
Gh0stywhat a shit21:00
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Gh0styyou have to register with an live ID or something21:01
FIQwat21:01
Gh0stywhich sends all your phonebook, calendar etc etc towards the live server21:01
Gh0styso all your private data belongs to microsoft :p21:01
FIQfu microsoft21:01
Gh0styoh and that functionality can not be disabled nor stopped21:01
FIQsounds like My Nokia but worser21:02
Proteoussure, fariday cage around phones21:02
ProteousDONE21:02
Gh0stylol21:02
ProteousCan't get me now Microsoft!21:02
FIQor just don't buy WP7 phones :)21:02
FIQwait21:02
ProteousI like my idea better21:02
mikki-kunProteous: how does a faraday cage help there?21:03
FIQwill the few shipping symbian devices, and meego, have this as well? :(21:03
FIQ(if they come from nokia)21:03
Proteoushow would microsoft get your information if your phone cannot speak21:03
ProteousMUHAHAHA21:03
Proteousand you could still play Snake on it or something21:03
ProteousI mean, why else do you use a phone for?21:04
Proteous</sarcasm>21:04
ProteousFYI21:05
mikki-kunProteous: "Faraday cages cannot block static and slowly varying magnetic fields, such as Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside). To a large degree though, they also shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the radiation's wavelength."21:05
mikki-kunhave fun making the mesh :)21:05
Proteousare you saying that it would be hard to make a material that would block the cellular radio?21:06
mikki-kunnot hard, it might just take time :)21:06
Proteouswell I wouldn't solder it together by hand after extruding my own wire :P21:06
dangergrrli'm pretty sure cell phones do not function (as phones) in Tempest facilities21:07
dangergrrlat least not in the ones i've been in the phone got no signal21:07
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dangergrrli went to some meetings in tempest bunkers at Ft Gordon in Augusta GA on a contract for the us army signal corps21:09
Proteousthey wouldn't be very goog tempest facilities if you could get a radio signal out21:09
Proteouss/goog/good/21:09
infobotProteous meant: they wouldn't be very good tempest facilities if you could get a radio signal out21:09
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dangergrrlthat's kinda the point21:09
vi_so where is my n9?21:09
Proteousin the mail21:09
Proteousjust like I told you last week21:10
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vi_do you think nokia will unveil it at mwc?21:11
Proteousno21:11
Tscheesyvi_: vaporware?21:11
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Tscheesyso m$ is now manufacturer ..21:12
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vi_ms can eat my ass, i just wantedc a mobile pocket computer phone21:13
ProteousI'm just waiting for a mobile pocket monkey phone21:13
Proteoussomeday...21:13
vi_ms, be careful where you are shitting for you are shitting on my dreams21:14
Proteousmikki-kun: you made me look up the wavelengh of the standard cell phone frequencys: around 25cm21:17
Gh0styohnoes21:17
Gh0stywe actually made someone do smart things :p21:17
mikki-kundepening on your gsm...21:17
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Gh0stythis channel is evil :)21:17
Proteous:P21:17
Gh0stydepending on what band ;)21:17
trumeealterego: your users are moaning about media-IM status not working21:19
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mikki-kunProteous: 950 mhz has around 32 cm wavelength... 1900 is around 15.8cm wavelength... so yeah, depending on your hole-size it might work21:22
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vi_hole size of what?21:24
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vi_you gonna attach a 5/8 antenna to your n900 bro?21:25
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vi_for teh gainz to the max21:25
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Tscheesylol - the opposite.. a faradain cage for anything else but gsm as i understood21:28
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jacekowskifaradain?21:29
jacekowskiWTF21:29
jacekowskifaraday21:29
Tscheesybut in controls you should give those things a sec-factor of 2.5 because of wave-modulations ;)21:29
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mikki-kunTscheesy: why wave-modulations?21:32
Tscheesyaliasing21:32
mikki-kuni assume we have a rather constant freq21:32
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Gh0styalso take into account harmonics21:37
Proteousand frame dragging21:37
Proteousand red shift21:37
Gh0sty(trying to overflow somebodys mind until it says *pop*)21:37
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Proteous:P21:38
ProteousI think just a think steel case would work great21:38
Proteouser, thin21:38
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Gh0styhow about aluminium foil21:38
Gh0stytinfoil hats anyone ? :P21:38
Proteousmaybe in a double ply21:39
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timelesshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzOKByRjR6U21:44
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* pahartik finds out that "Fennec beta 4" does not honor "http_proxy" or https_proxy" environment variables either21:50
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timelesspahartik: no browser in its right mind would21:55
timelessthat's for scripts and console apps21:55
timelessuse about:config21:55
nox-moin21:56
pahartiktimeless: Oh, that seems to be available nowadays21:56
timelesspahartik: it has been for ages21:57
pahartiktimeless: "Chromium" paid attention to environment variables... "env http_proxy='http://[::1]:3128/' https_proxy='https://[::1]:3148/' /opt/chromium/chrome"21:59
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pahartiktimeless: I wonder about which variable it might be in "about:config"22:00
timelessnetwork.proxy.http22:01
timelessnetwork.proxy.http_port22:01
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timelessnetwork.proxy.share_proxy_settings22:01
timelessis the easiest tripple, iirc that'll more or less do what you need22:01
timelessin the desktop browser, just write 'proxy' into the filter field, the names are fairly reasonable22:02
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FIQhow long is maemo.org going to be in beta stage? :D22:05
Proteousforever?22:06
FIQfair enough :)22:06
Proteousnot more than that anyway22:06
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ThreeMduke nukem forever will be released sonner as maemo.org went final22:06
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FIQThreeM: sounds realistical :P22:09
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denohi there22:09
denoI followed the instruction of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4342022:09
denoand download the fiasco-gen from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 but22:10
povbotBug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found22:10
denowith fakeroot apt-get build-dep kernel-power22:10
deno I get: Build-Depends dependency for kernel-power cannot be satisfied because the package sdk-fiasco-gen cannot be found22:10
denoeven if I have installed that package22:10
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sivangwhooa, what a large number of community members!22:12
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Proteousthat's what she said22:12
Proteouser22:12
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javispedroRST38h: so, the device is nice, the "tap-to-sync" stuff seems to work between the webos tablet and the phone (ms surface-style) and I could eventually get used to the keyboard22:13
Gyjfwould the n900 be suitable for cloning simcards?22:13
Gyjfor is that part locked down?22:13
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javispedroRST38h: however, the screen is, indeed, small. Even their tablet's screen seems comparatively small.22:15
DocScrutinizerGyjf: closed22:15
Gyjfah :(22:15
pupnik_javispedro: are you looking at the tiny pre3 or the midsized one?22:15
DocScrutinizerGyjf: also for all I know you can not clone SIMs nowadays22:15
RST38hjavispedro: I do feel like tap-to-sync is more of a gimmick22:15
Gyjfi take it the whole gsm part is locked then?22:15
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Gyjfbut you can transfer to new simcards22:16
RST38hjavispedro: Check out Acer Iconia Smart22:16
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DocScrutinizerGyjf: sorry, you lost me22:16
javispedropupnik_: pre3 is the larger, actually. "veer" is the smaller one. Since it is so small I could practically use it as wristwatch, I already discarded it.22:16
RST38hjavispedro: 4.8" 1024x480 screen. Android though,if you can take it22:16
pahartiktimeless: I set those variables, they were saved, I restarted but they still have no effect... And "network.proxy.share_proxy_settings" does not exist, so I did not set it22:16
Gyjfstores have the ability to transfer a old card to a new one22:16
Gyjfwith whatever machine they use22:16
javispedroRST38h: ah, the "long" one.22:16
DocScrutinizerGyjf: not really22:17
RST38hjavispedro: it should be somewhere at the MWC22:17
timelesspahartik: you also need to set proxy type22:17
Gyjfi was just assuming they cloned it22:17
timelessnetwork.proxy.type22:17
Gyjfmaybe its just portions of the card?22:17
pupnik_pre3 looks like a good device for someone who wants portrait-keyboard22:17
javispedroRST38h: yeah, think I saw it, but didn't like the weird proportion22:17
RST38hjavispedro: Running Gingerbread on Qualcomm CPU (i.e. should not have the same performance issues as Streak)22:17
DocScrutinizerGyjf: the machine they use informs the registrar server of your carrier about the new SIM22:17
timelessyou want <1> as your value fwiw22:17
RST38hjavispedro: yea, photos of it look weird22:17
Gyjfhmm22:17
javispedropupnik_: or one-handed operation.22:17
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Gyjfthat does make sense tho22:18
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Gyjfbut afaik, everything you can read you can copy22:19
pahartiktimeless: It is integer, but I do not know what it translates to22:19
Gyjfso are some parts of the card ROM?22:19
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timeless[22:17] <timeless> you want <1> as your value fwiw22:19
pupnik_javispedro: are they open enough to make an angstrom / meer / meego image for the device?22:19
DocScrutinizerGyjf: uhuh, copy what I think now!22:19
pahartiktimeless: Oh, trying "1" then22:19
javispedrothen there was that lg 3d headache inducing thing everyone was talking about, which, imho, is way overrated..22:19
Per_n900I am not a developer so I will ask those of you who are: Whould a desktop widget that shows the files in my documents folder with icons and thumbnails for images and such be hard to do? So if I touch a pdf it opens pdf viewer and so on. Kind of like kde has. Hope you understand what I mean.22:19
timelesspahartik: fwiw, google is your friend, it'd take you to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.type22:19
DocScrutinizerGyjf: you can not read the secret key in a SIM. That'S the point22:20
Gyjfok22:20
javispedropupnik_: don't think anyone's tried, you'd probably find problems in cellular, and maybe gps or gfx. rest should be ok...22:20
ProteousGyjf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module22:20
pahartiktimeless: Thank you, it worked now22:20
RST38hjavispedro: Does itleave you with your eyes permanently crossed? =)22:20
DocScrutinizerthe key is just used to sign some challenge, and the signed response is then checked at server if it's signed with correct key22:21
DocScrutinizerjust like PGP22:21
Gyjfaah22:21
javispedroRST38h: it has a slider so that you can set the amount of headache -- at the highest setting the best I can describe it is as "weirdly blurry".22:21
pahartiktimeless: I suppose it is bug introduced by "Fennec beta 4", as system proxy settings were used by default in "Fennec beta 3"22:22
GAN900sivang, it must mean things are looking up!22:22
timelesspahartik: what value was that last pref set to?22:22
* javispedro ponders if the guy at the booth got it that I was completely disliking the thing by the faces I was making.22:23
timelesssystem proxy = 5 iiuc22:23
pahartiktimeless: "5"22:23
sivangGAN900: :)22:23
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timelesspahartik: sounds like system proxy isn't working properly...22:23
RST38hjavispedro: another gimmick then. No sign of SLP?22:23
timelesssince 5 should have pulled them in..22:23
GAN900"Full steam ahead!n22:23
* GAN900 coughs.22:23
sivangso what are we doing here today?22:23
sivang;-)22:23
GAN900javispedro, MWC?22:23
pupnik_Per_n900: i guess nobody knows - maybe search talk.maemo.org for desktop widgets22:24
javispedroRST38h: nope, samsung was all over android on the exhibition, and is tomorrow going to be all over bada for the devs (wtf?). no sign of slp.22:24
DocScrutinizermeh, SLP. Too much blue22:24
pahartiktimeless: No, it worked before and I have not changed it22:24
javispedroGAN900: yep22:24
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timelesspahartik: from my perspective, system proxy = the system proxy, the settings for the system proxy, the glue to pull in the system proxy settings22:25
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timelessif it isn't working, any of those could be the failure point22:25
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timelessi don't care which22:25
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GAN900javispedro, anything worthwhile?22:25
javispedroACCESS also has completely forgotton about ALP, they only showed some stuff I did not exactly understand what was for, other than it was a browser and suicidal...22:25
javispedroGAN900: IMHO not, basically, loads of android clones.22:26
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Per_n900pupnik_: I will try that. Or I'll just try to make one. I use my n900 pretty much as my main computer so I would like a way of fast access to my documents like that.22:27
GAN900javispedro, depressing.22:27
GAN900commoditization makes that all very boring.22:27
javispedroactually, and going on topic, at the nokia dev event they repeated the answer to "that" question about the future of Qt: "Qt is business right now, WP7 might be in the future"22:28
GAN900Pff22:29
DocScrutinizerbottom line in TV: "this year's MWC is about smartphones, and evolution, not revolution [editor: "I heard this before"], and devices differentiate by design details, and target youngsters who don't consider phone calls a major usecase"22:29
GAN900Only because the company doesn't know enough to change their lines.22:29
RST38hjavispedro: that is probably symbian people pulling together their wagons22:29
RST38hjavispedro: give it 3 months, and the remaining ones will be all over C#, .NET, and Bing22:30
derfCan't they just port Qt to WP7?22:30
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javispedrothat was asked22:30
javispedroderf^^^22:30
javispedrothe answer was a big NO.22:30
javispedrofrom Nokia at least.22:30
derfWe'll see how long that lasts.22:30
javispedrothey just say they "will be commited to devs as Nokia has ever been"22:30
RST38hderf: WP7 developmentis onlydone in C#. No C.No C++. Nonative.22:30
derfOkay, good.22:31
RST38hjavispedro:this does notsound very reassuring22:31
derfThat means I can ignore that platform.22:31
javispedroderf: you'd do well, they're at 2011 still reintroducing multitasking22:31
javispedroand they do that by cloning the webos paradigm22:31
javispedro(though I can't blame them, handset ux also did...)22:31
RST38hand cut&paste too22:31
derfDid iOS manage to figure out multitasking last year?22:31
RST38hderf: yes, but just barely22:32
javispedroiOS doesn't count, it's apple.22:32
javispedro;)22:32
derfI'm just saying, as a frame of reference.22:32
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DocScrutinizerwow, NOK down from 7.00 at Friday evening to 6.60 now22:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer: yeah, you win the bet, NY shares at less than 9€22:34
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javispedroer..22:34
javispedros/€/.0022:34
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* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if that's really what those US investors had in mind when forcing Flop into Nokia CEO position (if it's really true)22:37
VenemoDocScrutinizer: what do you mean by 'that'?22:37
DocScrutinizerNOK 6.60 I meant22:38
VenemoDocScrutinizer: is that good or bad?22:38
jacekowskiit was like 20% more week ago22:38
DocScrutinizerthat's another -18%22:38
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sivangDocScrutinizer: oh22:38
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derfDepends on whether you're long or short.22:38
sivangheh22:38
jacekowskiit's going doooooooooooooooooooooooown22:38
sivangjavispedro++ on Apple22:39
DocScrutinizeryeah, quite constantly during the day22:39
RST38hDoc: Will it hit 1.00? =)22:39
derfIntra-day trading is just watching computers do battle.22:39
derfReal humans don't actually make decisions on a minute-by-minute basis.22:40
SpeedEvilWe will have won when meego is on those computers!22:40
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RST38hderf: Still, you watch this: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=NOK and the trend is clear, computers or not22:41
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derfSure. But notice how the gaps between days outweigh anything that happens during the day.22:42
RST38hderf:Unless of course it is all a diabolic plot to drop Nokia's stock through the floor, buy lots of it, then raise it on some mildly reassuring WP7 news, and sell it all off22:42
derfRST38h: I don't doubt _someone_ is trying that.22:42
RST38hderf: Yea, but that is because it is being traded in Europe overnight22:42
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RST38hderf: If you look at a US-based company (like Intel) the gaps are not there, usually22:43
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derfIntel doesn't usually put out big enough news to cause people to re-evaluate the worth of the entire company.22:43
timelessintel also has more than one line of stuff22:44
timelessdiversity is useful22:44
SpeedEvilWht was the hit on intels 'oops - we fogot about electromigration' news?22:45
derfSpeedEvil: Pretty insignificant.22:46
derfWhat's a $1bln loss when your market cap is $120bln?22:46
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VenemoMohammadAG: ping22:48
MohammadAGplease tell me the N9 announced while I was away22:49
ProteousSpeedEvil: it also wasn't like, "your laptop will explode killing everyone in the room." It was, "your SATA performance will degrade over 3 years."22:49
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javispedroheh22:49
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javispedronvidia would have said nothing22:50
Proteouslol22:50
Proteous"what, your video is all scrambled on your macbook? I have no idea what could be causing that"22:50
pupnik_what would be the minimum CPU spec for the N9 for you to personally be excited about it22:51
nox-i thought n9 was cancelled?22:51
timelesshrm, did gmail recently add a trailing ad?22:51
javispedrotimeless: hopefully not, if they ever do that's probably the end of it.22:51
Proteous"This email was sent from my gmail22:51
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timelessjavispedro: try a really long conversation22:52
Proteousoh wait, that'a apple22:52
ZogGwoops, i'm trying to set up maemo sdk and when trying to run script /.maemo_install_sdk-5.0 -u zogg i get error:22:52
pupnik_nox-: well i imagine the n9 was planned to be 1ghz omap3640 (speculation!!)22:52
timelessi have an ad after the last message22:52
timelessnot in the content, past it before the nav links22:52
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ZogGscratchbox found but not executable by user22:52
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nox-pupnik_, no idea but if its cancelled its moot point :/22:52
javispedrotimeless: nothing (18 posts)22:52
javispedrothough it's last week22:53
BCMMZogG: which distro are you installing on?22:53
nox-its a even22:53
ZogGBCMM funtoo22:53
timelesshrm, i have it for a single message22:53
BCMMZogG: i thought that was you - why the manual scratchbox installation?22:53
ZogGBCMM, user in group, scratchbox is running22:53
* nox- typo madness again, i sure did have the a in my mind...22:54
ZogGBCMM what do you mean manual, i have scratchbox on system already22:54
* timeless gives up22:54
Proteousit's a me, wario22:54
ZogGtrying to install sdk22:54
timelessi'm definitely getting occasionally ads at the bottom22:54
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BCMMZogG: i'm not sure what maemo_install_sdk-5.0 is, but it isn't in hte instructions22:56
BCMMZogG: i would follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation , apart from the apt-get bits22:56
BCMM(and the newgrp)22:56
ZogGBCMM it is22:57
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timeless!summon javispedro22:58
timelesshttp://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ads-below-gmail.png22:58
RST38hderf: Still, when intel goes down or up (however abruptly), it is without overnight jumps22:59
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jacekowskinokia is in pretty deep shit23:00
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RST38hderf:But anyway, if those US investors expected to raise NOK stock price with this brilliant strategic movie, then they seem to be failing23:00
jacekowskiwell, everything that falls have to bounce23:00
jacekowskiso they may want to get it down23:00
jacekowskibuy it cheap23:01
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pupnik_dead cat bounce? :)23:04
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pupnik_nokia's a fool to focus on american market :)23:05
pupnik_americans are broke23:05
pupnik_buying ipads with chinese money - lol23:05
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trip0pupnik_, lol23:07
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GAN900MeeGo could've made waves in the US.23:09
pupnik_you know the term 'economic hit-man'?  :)23:09
GAN900Windows is a name most people spit upon.23:09
GAN900Goes to show, the Finns still don't get it.23:10
ZogGBCMM ya using it, just i don;t use install scratchbox and g straight to install-sdk23:10
timelessGAN900: *shrug*, i'm happy with w7starter on this ideapad :)23:10
timelessGAN900: have you seen http://soluto.com ?23:11
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sivangtimeless: nice!23:15
timelesssivang: i highly recommend it23:15
sivangtimeless: do you have it on your w7 starter on the ideapad?23:16
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rm_worksoluto looks neat23:16
rm_workdo you use it timeless ?23:16
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timelessyes23:16
GAN900timeless, are you touched in the head?23:16
timelessand i've had my dad install it, and installed it on a couple of other people's computers23:17
rm_worki will check it out whenever i manage to get home... see if it can prevent my impending reformat to fix incredible slowness23:17
sivangtimeless: going make wonders for my DAW23:17
timelessit doesn't always install cleanly, i tried on a standalone vista box @work, it failed23:17
GAN900I'm vaguely happy with Ubuntu, even though the keyboard and trackpad suck.23:17
sivangGAN900: yes, that is still an issue there.23:17
rm_workGAN900: which release? latest?23:17
rm_workGAN900: trackpad support seems to have gotten WORSE23:17
rm_worknot sure why23:17
rm_workit worked perfectly until the last two releases...23:18
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rm_workthen all the sudden, my trackpad has no hotzones and feels weird to use23:18
MohammadAGmouse pad on ubuntu on my new laptop sucks23:18
MohammadAGold one was fine23:18
MohammadAGthis one jumps around23:18
VenemoMohammadAG: new laptop?23:19
rm_workyeah i dunno how they messed it up but it is very much worse than it used to be23:19
Sc0rpiusyou mean the touchpad?23:19
MohammadAGVenemo, yeah, the one I got in August23:19
MohammadAGit builds a kernel in less than 10 minutes, so it's "new" :P23:19
VenemoMohammadAG: oh. well that's not really new then, is it?23:19
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MohammadAGVenemo, old one is 7 years old23:22
VenemoMohammadAG: then it's new indeed23:22
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