IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-01-29

pupnik_no actually several have gone for over 50000:00
alteregopupnik_: you think it's stolen because it's reserved at 1 EUR00:02
pupnik_no00:04
trumeeeduroam sucks on linux00:05
alteregoOh, because I thought that was suspicious by itself :D00:05
trumeei have to go Laptop> N900> eduroam00:05
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trumeeThankfully N900 has usb networking00:06
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pupniki hope the next device comes soon.  with a 4-row keyboard and arrow keys for all layouts.00:41
* haltdef is eying up a viliv n5 :x00:42
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pupnikGerman Ebay seller trying to get $804 for a N900 http://cgi.ebay.de/Nokia-N900-Qwerty-Tastatur-engl-black-/280576271303?pt=DE_Handys_ohne_Vertrag_KM&hash=item4153a623c700:46
pupniksome people are really optimistic00:47
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ieatlintwell, he has his full name, address, phone number and email address there. you could call and ask him about the price :P00:58
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pupnikhey if someone wants to pay that much, that's fine.  The used devices are going for 200-250 right now01:10
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pupnik(euro)01:10
GAN900UPS One Day Air01:10
GAN900Going on day 3 now.01:10
GAN900Probably going to attempt delivery 5 minutes before I get home.01:11
pupnik?01:15
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javispedrohaha01:16
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GAN900pupnik, waiting for my new lens. :(01:18
ieatlintthat sounds like UPS01:19
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GAN900Gotta love unionized low competition industries.01:22
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: that's original Nokia shop price - 590EUR01:39
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javispedroeth0 is dead01:44
javispedrohttp://www.osnews.com/story/24336/New_Linux_Network_Device_Naming_To_Be_Tested_by_Fedora01:44
javispedro=) (heehee)01:44
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BCMMdoes the n900 has a physical shutter?01:46
BCMMsorry, i mean does it have a physical camera shutter, or does it use a rolling-shutter system?01:47
trumeeanybody has experience in building the compat-wireless drivers from lxp?01:49
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trumeei am getting a bunch of  "-1 Unknown symbol in module" when insmoding the drivers01:50
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trumeewhen i try to insmod my own compiled drivers01:50
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: electronic solid state silicon shutter01:54
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: ah. does it "roll"?01:54
DocScrutinizerdunno what you mean01:55
BCMMDocScrutinizer: does it cut off the entire field at once, or does it progress down the image, creating distortions of moving objects like an iPhone?01:56
DocScrutinizerthe sensor chip is resetting and after shutter time reading out the sensor cells01:56
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DocScrutinizerI don't know how it works exactly01:56
BCMM(example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ )01:57
DocScrutinizercheck the wiki, there's a link to the camera sensor chip01:57
luke-jrBCMM: solid state means there are no movign parts01:57
BCMMDocScrutinizer: don't worry, i'll just open up my computer and try to photograph the fan :)01:57
BCMMluke-jr: i phrased the question very badly. i was actually asking whether it suffered rolling-shutter distortions01:58
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: I seem to remember the chip is processing the rows sequentially, but I can't tell if it's actually true nor the speed of that process02:01
DocScrutinizerBCMM: see, that's basically a video camera. Still shots are a special mode of operation of this video cam02:02
DocScrutinizerthere's no shutter in a classical sense02:02
DocScrutinizeranyway, I guess you should read the datasheet02:04
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CarnequeIf there are problems with your packages, where are the logs files held?02:11
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trumeelxp: ping02:35
wmarone-N900oops, low battery02:36
MrBawbtrumee: are you building against the power kernel?02:36
trumeeMrBawb: yes02:37
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MrBawbtrumee: do you happen to know which symbol it's complaining about? I think it's in dmesg02:40
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trumeeMrBawb: i have the man himself 'lxp' on the case :)02:43
IamTryingHello, can i stream audio/video from a laptop to 100 audience ? with simple low internet.02:44
Dhraakellianhow do I undo any manual changes I made to the icon order in the application list?02:50
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trumeelxp1: ping03:00
psycho_oreosDhraakellian, reverse of what you did? heh03:00
Dhraakellianpsycho_oreos: so it's all automatically sorted alphabetically03:01
DhraakellianI currently have stuff I manually sorted way back when (after moving some things around) and newer installs that are automatically sorted03:02
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DhraakellianI'd rather have one A-Z rather than two03:02
psycho_oreosDhraakellian, nfi, the lack of categorise or mymenu makes it quite hard :p03:02
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Dhraakelliantanj03:02
psycho_oreosmaybe one needs to poke around via shell03:03
* Dhraakellian is currently investigating Marble03:04
Dhraakellianand hoping it outshines both Mappero and Ovi Maps03:06
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DhraakellianI'm not sure whether Mappero does routing, but I don't think I ever really figured it out03:07
Dhraakellianand Ovi Maps, well...03:07
DhraakellianI've used it more often, but meh.03:07
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pupnikyou could do this on a n900 + mypaint if you had talent http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uJqX6DgOrjY/SxVWwkC8xPI/AAAAAAAAAnM/LxyNX7BnrY4/s1600/Philip+Connard+%28British,+1875-1958%29.jpg03:27
befordapt-get install talent03:27
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DocScrutinizerDhraakellian: check <Layout> in /home/user/.config/menus/*03:43
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DocScrutinizerDhraakellian: also check appmefo03:55
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DocScrutinizerDhraakellian: sorting of submenus needs to be done in apmefo if you're using it. moving app icons in menus the 1.2 way will break apmefo and you need to start and "enable" it again03:57
DhraakellianI don't use apmefo03:57
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Dhraakellianjust delete everything in the <layout> section?03:58
DocScrutinizerwell, I think the <Layout> are generic hildon03:58
DocScrutinizerI guess you delete the whole section, incl <Layout> and </Layout>03:58
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DocScrutinizerDhraakellian: beware even messing with these files *might* cause problems during next boot04:02
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Termanagood morning08:20
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DocScrutinizer51LOL@ApMeFo menu Readme ===Warning=== and ===getting started===09:20
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dm8tbrdid anyone look into updating the fosdem-schedule application for n900 yet?09:26
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Termanadm8tbr, I bet the iPhone one is up to date...09:31
TermanaThe irony09:31
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dm8tbrTermana: the first one was for android...09:32
dm8tbrwhich means I might as well install it on my a101 and a32 and be done with it...09:32
Termanaheh lovely09:32
dm8tbrcurrently I'm trying to figure out why the application just closes when I try to update the schedule...09:33
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TermanaI assumed it was done iPhone, Maemo, Android and then WebOS since that's the order on the website.09:33
dm8tbryeah, I meant this year. I only see an android announcement09:34
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ebzzryWhy is it that sometimes, when the system is overclocked, the minimum frequency that is displayed is 125 MHz, instead that of the overclocked setting?09:36
TermanaOh, I didn't realise they were making a NEW one every year. I guess I shouldn't have assumed the application would just pull from a web location and display the data.09:36
dm8tbryeah, how unforeseen :/09:36
dm8tbrconference happens every year, who would have thunk09:37
dm8tbrthe maemo app just crashes if I try to update the compiled in schedule09:37
dm8tbrterminate called after throwing an instance of 'OrmNoObjectException'09:38
dm8tbrAborted09:38
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RST38h...Four wolves, who appeared before the boy when he was returning home from school, were scared away by the noise coming from the boy's mobile phone -- the swinging sounds of thrash metal band Megadeth.09:39
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dm8tbrwhich repository should I enable to get strace?09:42
SpeedEviltools09:42
RST38htols09:43
RST38htools, sorry09:43
dm8tbrtnx09:43
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SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo509:43
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DocScrutinizerTermana: on speiPhone there's no Programms and project data. Every eBook on applestore is a hybrid of a reader plus the book text09:59
DocScrutinizerTermana: so why should a calendar be different?09:59
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RST38hDo I understand it correctly that NCDK is ARM-based and ICDK is Intel-based?09:59
dm8tbrhooray, it looks like manual file-import seems to work with that application...10:00
dm8tbrnow let's see if that does anything useful...10:00
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TermanaDocScrutinizer - I have no clue exactly what your saying in the first bit, you can have files, audio/text/etc. included or later downloaded for an application on the iPhone and I don't know of whether the iBooks hold the reader app or not but if they do that is bullshit10:01
dm8tbr*bang* it just asploded after trying to import the last entry... waaaay to go ixonos, waaay to go ;)10:01
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* ieatlint suspects a part of the western coast the US just had an internet disruption10:47
SpeedEvilProbably massive earthquake, and it slipped into the sea.10:49
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doc|homewin!10:51
doc|homeoh wait, I'm just north of the western coast of the US10:51
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doc|homenope, still here10:51
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ieatlinti'm about 200m from the sea... i'd probably have noticed that10:52
ieatlintmeh, it's comforting to know that when california goes, we'll take the entire world economy with us10:52
doc|homeI'm about 1km on three sides... I'd *definitely* notice it10:52
doc|homeieatlint: that might well happen without any earthquake10:53
ieatlintyeah, because i hear facebook and google are having trouble10:53
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doc|homeoh, are we doing sarkiness?10:54
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doc|home"oh, I didn't know everyone in California worked for just those two companies"10:54
ieatlinti'm in san francisco, would you expect anything less?10:54
doc|homefair point10:54
doc|homeheheh10:55
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doc|homesleep time, night10:55
ieatlintwe have a new unofficial city motto... "not smug, just better"10:55
doc|homehahaha, nice10:55
doc|homeI might borrow that10:55
ieatlint:)10:55
ieatlintnite10:55
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peregrinwhat steps are necessary to get the scratchbox setup to mimic that of a normal n900? i mean, dsme isnt even running by default is it?11:19
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* alterego ponders11:48
alteregoI have four days to build a MeeGo columbus port.11:49
* Dhraakellian ponderously ponders ponderous ponderings11:49
RST38hAnd then what? =)11:49
alteregoAnd then I can demo it at the Cambridge MeeGo Network meetup11:50
RST38hOMG11:50
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marryhi12:12
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pupnik"You gotta tell a ho 68 and I owe you 1"12:13
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marryhi12:14
kerio"a woman must do 71 things, cleaning, cooking and 69"12:14
pupnikheh12:15
chxHrm, this kind of talk is accepted here? We surely do not tolerate such on #drupal12:15
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DocScrutinizerack12:16
RST38hWhat is drupal?12:16
DocScrutinizerofficial warning12:16
kerio:< 'twas a joke12:18
RST38hHeh, US seems to be suddenly getting its wish come true12:18
RST38hRolling revolution in the Middle East =)12:18
SpeedEvilThe US is quite happy with many of the governments in the region.12:18
marryhi12:18
DocScrutinizerlo mary12:19
RST38hSpeed: Well, the process does not appear to be very selective =)12:19
chxkerio: it was a joke, wasnt it?that's so wrong. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:srDdP856QGAJ:rocktreesky.com/reacting-sexism+rock+tree+sky+sexism&hl=en&strip=1 check comments.12:20
marryhi12:20
DocScrutinizerI guess it's rather their nightmare than their dream12:20
marryok12:20
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marryi no12:20
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keriothe problem with the US is that the goverments they like are rarely the governments people in the region like12:21
chxhaha12:21
chxwell said12:21
chxcan i tweet what you just said?12:21
keriosure,  why not12:22
DocScrutinizermarry, if you're actually no bot, and know something better to say than hi and I no, then /query DocScrutinizer and tell me to -q you12:22
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RST38hDoc: What if it is not a bot but lacks mental capacity to prove so?12:22
DocScrutinizerhmm, should that make any difference12:23
DocScrutinizer?12:23
RST38h<pc-mode>Will you segregate based on the mental capacity?</pc-mode> =)12:23
DocScrutinizerno, strictly based on behaviour12:24
RST38hBut it is trying to communicate! It may have Feelings! =)12:24
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chxgood question: how do you differentiate a bot from a two year old? my nephew mostly just repeats single words and we are delighted when he says the correct one for an object. This is something a current bot can do.12:27
DocScrutinizerit seems actually trying to communicate12:27
keriochx: you don't12:28
kerioyou ban both from #maemo12:28
keriohttp://xkcd.com/810/12:29
RST38hchx: A better question is how you differentiate a bot from a [technically] adult male who just lol like havin fun lol w/ u geekz12:29
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DocScrutinizeryeah, and stealing my time with private query on same level now :-S12:30
RST38hEspecially considering how many of these will happily engage Elise in erotic conversation12:30
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:25:23] <DocScrutinizer> new to irc?12:30
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:25:34] <marry> fine and u12:30
DocScrutinizer12:30
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:26:57] <marry> are u here12:30
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:28:01] <DocScrutinizer> since when you are on IRC?12:30
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:28:38] <marry> me12:30
keriohahaha12:30
RST38hDoc: A bot.12:30
DocScrutinizerI bet12:30
kerio"To join #maemo, you must pass the Turing test."12:31
RST38hOk, maybe not a bot, but who the hell cares? He wouldn't pass the Turing test anyway.12:31
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SpeedEvilThe turing test? Does that involve a public toilet?12:32
SpeedEvilSorry.12:32
RST38hSpeed:For some,it did.12:32
RST38hSpeed: But you are too late.12:32
pupniki hate all sites with javascript that parses every character i type in an entry field12:34
DocScrutinizerIRC rule #15: There are no real users like marry!emma@41.203.64.25412:34
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SpeedEvilWho wrote mbarcode?12:35
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SpeedEvilI forgot.12:35
RST38hlardman12:35
SpeedEvilWas it lardman?12:35
SpeedEvilah12:35
chxjust ask it the classical question "If Joe goes to shopping will his head stay at home?"12:35
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DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHA12:38
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:34:52] <DocScrutinizer> fuckoff bot idiot12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:35:01] <DocScrutinizer> divide 1 by 012:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:35:09] <DocScrutinizer> STFU12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:35:35] <marry> ok can u help me12:39
DocScrutinizer12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:36:44] <marry> plz12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:37:10] <DocScrutinizer> help on what? (damn why am I doing this?)12:39
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:38:36] <marry> plz can u help me with some money12:39
chxthis is getting better and better12:39
jogaheheh12:39
jogatake their money12:40
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DocScrutinizerwhat an idiot12:45
DocScrutinizertoo stupid to code a bot half the intelligence of ELIZA12:45
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:38:36] <marry> plz can u help me with some money12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:41:10] <DocScrutinizer> sure, no problem. How much would you need?12:46
DocScrutinizer12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:42:59] <marry> ok 10$12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:43:18] <marry> can u12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:44:19] <DocScrutinizer> sure, just give me your address and bank account12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:44:50] <marry> hi12:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-29 11:45:03] <marry> can u help me12:46
pupnikDocScrutinizer: it's not that interesting is it12:46
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DocScrutinizerit's starting to get extremely boring, yeah12:47
RST38htime for a traceroute then12:47
DocScrutinizerhaha, yeah already done12:47
pupniknigeria12:47
DocScrutinizerglobacom-gw.lnt.cw.net (166.63.211.234)  77.867 ms   76.162 ms   76.597 ms12:48
RST38hpupnik: willing to bet on it?12:48
pupnikno12:48
RST38hIt did not offer any riches, too12:48
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DocScrutinizermeanwhile nmaping it12:49
korhojoahttp://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=166.63.211.234&map_source=1&overview_map=1&lang=1&map_type=1&zoom_level=712:49
korhojoaWichita area12:49
RST38hhttp://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/41.203.64.25412:49
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RST38hwhaddyanow? it may be a genuine nigerian there!12:51
korhojoaahh. hm, yes. well. that's completely different.12:51
DocScrutinizerfreakin idiots12:51
RST38hDoc: You should be thankful for having an opportunity to speak to a live nigerian.12:52
korhojoaRST38h: it's not that cool. I've spoken to them before12:52
DocScrutinizerI still bet it's a bot12:52
jogahere in .fi people have been fined 12500 euros for port scanning12:52
korhojoaone wanted to buy my used panties12:52
RST38hkorhojoa:educational though12:52
DocScrutinizermaybe an assisted bot12:52
korhojoaI didn't understand why, i thought it was a japanese thing12:53
korhojoajoga: ? who?12:53
DocScrutinizerjoga: HUH?12:53
RST38hkorhojoa: did he at least inquire about your gender first?12:53
jogakorhojoa, some young man portscanned a bank's servers12:53
joga(in finnish) http://www.pjoy.fi/lehdet/0306pj.htm12:53
korhojoaRST38h: no, he didn't :D12:53
korhojoanmap + OP = fail?12:54
RST38hjoga: that is why any respectable hacker must have a .RU-based shell account =)12:54
korhojoahahahaha   :D12:54
DocScrutinizerthey're nuts, those Finnish12:54
korhojoaNo we're not!12:54
jogahere in english http://insecure.org/stf/fin.html12:55
RST38hjoga: banks *expect* to be portscanned from .RU IPs!12:55
jogayeah of course it's just silly12:56
korhojoaRST38h: i guess that's why most banks are blocked from .ru ? :D12:56
DocScrutinizer*SIGH*  [2011-01-29 11:44:50] <marry> hi  [2011-01-29 11:45:03] <marry> can u help me  [2011-01-29 11:46:16] <marry> hi   [2011-01-29 11:55:25] <marry> hi12:56
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DocScrutinizerthat's after I offered to send 10$12:56
DocScrutinizerso no fun in that :-/12:57
korhojoa:D12:57
RST38hkorhojoa: Dunno, none of the ones I periodically deal with are12:57
pupnikI'd send food...12:57
korhojoaRST38h: I was kidding :P12:57
jogaI have a shoddy paid shell account I sometimes use for some stuff, and it was so poorly managed nmap for example was available for all users, and so I once did a port scan on one of my own computers at home to test the firewall settings and a few hours later I found that my account had been suspended12:58
korhojoaRST38h: but I think that some probably are doing this12:58
RST38hjoga: Nmap *should* be available to all users, shouldn't it?12:58
korhojoajoga: haha, success. tnnet?12:58
jogaI called them and they explained they detected the port scanning and it's illegal and bla but they did re-enable the account when I told it was my own pc12:59
jogakorhojoa, daug12:59
RST38hpupnik: Send condoms.12:59
pupnikhahahaha12:59
pupnikow12:59
* pupnik coughing12:59
RST38hjoga: Is it really illegal? Port scanning is not an intrusion, technically12:59
jogaRST38h according to that judgement, it is12:59
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jogabut that's stupid :)12:59
RST38hjoga: Yes, but is there a law that says it is illegal?13:00
korhojoaThere are cyberharrassment laws13:00
jogathere's a law against computer break-ins13:00
jogaand in this case it was deemed that he had attempted a break-in13:00
RST38hjoga: Becauseif there is no such law, they cannot claim it is illegal13:00
lcukif its against T&Cs then its not law based restrictions13:00
SpeedEvilI love the recent US decision that violating T&Cs is illegal.13:00
SpeedEvilAnd a criminal act.13:00
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jogaRST38h, yeah I guess there's no specific law against port scanning the way it's done13:01
RST38hjoga: If I stick my nose to your window, is it a breakin, or just some randomguy being creepy?13:01
korhojoaSpeedEvil: seriously? :D that's retarded13:01
jogaRST38h, it could be harassment :)13:01
korhojoaRST38h: harrasment most likely13:01
RST38hOk, but can they classify port scanning as harassment?13:02
SpeedEvilkorhojoa: really.13:02
jogaRST38h, they can, obviously13:02
joga:)13:02
korhojoaI can't believe how dumb that is.13:02
jogaor let me check if I can find the charge..13:02
pupniksome countries have tried to implement that13:02
pupnikbut politicians are stupid13:02
RST38hWell,the laws are being applied by people who do not know or understand what a port scan is13:03
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pupnikright13:03
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RST38hAnd if you have got a corporation on one side and a 16-year old idiot on the other, the verdict is kinda predictable13:03
SpeedEvilhttp://volokh.com/2011/01/04/eleventh-circuit-holds-that-it-is-a-crime-for-an-employee-to-use-his-employers-computer-for-non-business-reasons/ korhojoa13:03
SpeedEvil(violation of TOS = illegal)13:04
RST38hSpeed:this is different13:05
RST38hSpeed: You have got an employee who repeatedly defies his supervisors by refusing to sign a legal form13:06
SpeedEvilRST38h: this case - yes.13:06
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SpeedEvilRST38h: The underlying law is pretty clear it's any TOS though.13:06
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RST38hSpeed:This being a US government institution (SSA) and him being a latino minority, they cannot easily fire him13:06
SpeedEvilRST38h: Which is irrelevant to the law being over-broad, and applying in many other circumstances.13:07
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RST38hSpeed: Yes, but in this case it is being applied precisely enough13:07
RST38hSpeed: Because the guy accessed someone's personal data without authorization,for his own personal reasons13:08
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Right - this is a 'righteous' application of the law - as it was intended. The bills actual scope is much, much wider than this case.13:09
RST38hSpeed: I have not seen this bill ever applied to anyone using his work PC to browse facebook, if this is what you mean13:09
korhojoaI guess the first thing it will be applied to is someone browsing for a new job13:10
SpeedEvilRST38h: It can be, with a sufficiently energetic prosecutor.13:10
RST38hkorhojoa: unlikely, because the victim will file for harassment13:10
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RST38hIt really works much simpler if both the employee and the employer are ethical andcourteous to each other13:11
jogafinnish police's page has a summary that says roughly "cybercrimes are determined according to criminal law. When using another person's credentials or exceeding the privilege that has been granted to them, one is guilty of a break-in. for example, the seemingly innocent and common act of port scanning is such a crime"13:12
RST38h"You do not use your work PC to maintain your porn collection - and I do not mind you browsing tmo at work"13:12
joga(http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/krp/home.nsf/pages/63B3FC75928EFB7EC2256C8B0043A41E)13:13
joga(and they also use lotus notes) :)13:13
RST38hjoga: Actually, port scanning cannot be described as either of these activities13:13
RST38hjoga: When port scanning, you 1) are not using another person's credentials and 2) are not exceeding your user privileges (after all, administration made nmap available to you)13:14
jogaRST38h...yeah13:14
jogaRST38h, I know ;)13:14
pupniki once asked the president 'oh, it is it taking too much bandwidth'?13:14
jogaI remember there was also some thing in germany about outlawing administrat...sorry, *hacking* tools13:15
joga;)13:15
jogahttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/30/garmany_anti-hacking_law/13:16
pupnikthose debates seem to quietly settle down over years13:16
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DocScrutinizerjoga: this is a nice proof of finnish police's lack of any clue whatsoever about what portscanning is. And I doubt they can define crimes with one sentence on a website anyway13:25
jogaDocScrutinizer, yeah, I couldn't find a translation of that law on finlex13:25
jogabut there are a lot of pointless laws13:26
DocScrutinizeranyway marry got rather quite, since I nmap'd it and reported it to freenode staff13:27
korhojoaFor example: car lights are required to be on during the day, when it's light outside.13:27
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jogaDocScrutinizer nmap yield anything?13:27
RST38hDoc: internet cafe closed for cleaning? =)13:27
DocScrutinizernah, was too slow (SYN stealth), I ^C'd it13:27
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* ShadowJK likes the hadlight law13:28
ShadowJKeasier to see cars13:29
RST38hdaylights you mean?13:29
korhojoayeah, but the low beams are required to be on13:29
ShadowJKespecially the people driving white cars now, they'd be pretty much ivnvisible otherwise13:29
korhojoaI don't see why they can't allow something like DRL13:29
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ShadowJKdunno what daylights is13:29
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chxkorhojoa: car lights -- are you sure it's pointless13:30
korhojoachx: pretty sure.13:30
RST38hShadowJK: special headlight mode where they arealways on13:30
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chxkorhojoa: tunnels, passin under an overpass, sudden mist or rain... isnt it simpler to have it on?13:31
ShadowJKwell my toyota switches on hedlights whenever engine is on, but it's exactly the same as turning them on manually13:31
ShadowJKexcept that highbeam doesn't work13:31
korhojoaAll I know is that cars manufactured for Finland all have have their lights always on13:31
Jartzanot true13:31
ShadowJKMy parents' opel doesn't have it always on13:31
JartzaI have to manually turn headlights on13:31
korhojoachx: overpasses have lights, tunnels have lights, mist or rain will rarely totally blind you if there's enough light to manage during the day13:32
korhojoaand DRL would allow cars to have these smaller bulbs on and they (at least where they're being used) have a light intensity detector and then turn on the main lamps if it gets dark enough13:33
Jartzaand the finnnish law requires you to either have low beams OR DRLs on at all times13:33
RST38hJartza:and not only the finnish law13:33
korhojoaJartza: yes, well, cars manufactured for finland, not just imported13:33
Jartzamy car is manufactured "for finland"13:34
korhojoaJartza: yes, but that law was only recently added. DRL's haven't been on cars until the last two years or so13:34
korhojoaJartza: which one?13:34
Jartzadodge caliber13:35
korhojoaalso, if they're old, they require you to turn on the lamps themselves. we've got a chrysler stratus and it also requires us to turn on the lamps by themselves13:35
korhojoawell, it's an american car, they're pieces of crap anyway.13:35
Jartzano it's not :)13:35
Jartzait's quite asian13:35
korhojoastill not manufactured for finland, it's made for the general european market, where the lights aren't required13:35
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Jartzathe motor is made by GEMA (mitsubishi/hyundai), base plate is made by mitsubishi and the CVT is made by jatco (nissan subsidiary)13:36
ShadowJKtoyota has a mount for the relay to turn on lights automatically, I suspect toyota has it automatic because it's required in jp too or something?13:36
korhojoafor some reason, american cars are allowed to have this. I don't know why.13:36
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korhojoaJartza: I know, I've test driven the car and everything13:36
Jartzanot much american in that car anyway :)13:36
korhojoaShadowJK: I'd say because it makes it easier to just make the same relay box for all the cars?13:37
ShadowJKhad a Talbot Horizon once, it had autoheadlight even before the daytime headlight requirement.. and it was a chrysler subsidiary I think13:37
OperatedHello anyone! I have an issue with maemo-flasher, that i can't resolve with my experience and google. It's "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" problem under Slackware linux. Can anyone help to find solution, if i provide necessary info? Should I install libusb legacy API for flasher (first - ask, then break)?13:37
korhojoaJartza: well, the design sure is, it's a box with wheels?13:37
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JartzaI've driven 140Mm in 3 years with that car, not a single problem with the car13:37
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Jartzabox with wheels?13:37
Jartzaaren't all cars like that :)13:37
Jartzaexcept convertibles13:37
ShadowJKkorhojoa, it's not a box even, it's just a piece of metal sticking out from the chassis and relay screwed onto it13:37
korhojoaShadowJK: haha, Talbot Horizon :D whoa13:37
ShadowJKit was dual-fuel! :)13:38
ShadowJKfrom the oil crisis13:38
JartzaI had talbot horizon also :D13:38
korhojoaJartza: true. Some boxes are just prettier than others. :P13:38
korhojoaShadowJK: dual-fuel?13:38
DocScrutinizerOperated: I hope the folks here get on topic soon, and then will help you :-)13:39
Jartzakorhojoa: true, but "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... :)13:39
Jartzamy Talbot Horizon was made in finland :)13:39
DocScrutinizerOperated: you followed the hints about rmmod some modules (cdc_phonet?)?13:39
Jartzaby Saab-Valmet in Uusikaupunki :)13:39
korhojoaOperated: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=839 someone solved it using a VM13:40
korhojoaJartza: yeah, I know :P13:40
korhojoaJartza: I'm not proud to say that I actually like a few american designs, like the Tahoe and Suburban13:40
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Jartzaand actually, after talbot I owned Peugeot 309 :)13:41
Jartzathat car was supposed to be Talbot also, but PSA killed Talbot before they made it13:41
ShadowJKit could run on what would be called "petroleum" in .fi13:41
ShadowJKafter the engine got warm13:42
Jartza:)13:42
jacekowskiit's called petrol here13:42
Operatedkorhojoa: i read that thread, another OS in VM isn't pretty solution, but I'll use it if can't find any solution.13:43
korhojoaShadowJK: where are you from?13:43
korhojoaOperated: yeah, sorry about that, don't use slackware myself13:43
ShadowJK.fi..13:43
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korhojoaI'm a bit surprised, I always suspected you being from the UK. Oh well :D I guess there's a larger proportion of finnish users here than i suspected13:44
DocScrutinizerOperated: is it a 64bit OS?13:44
Jartza:)13:44
JartzaYeah, lot of us Finns here13:44
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OperatedDocScrutinizer: ermmm, seems not. If "cdc_phonet" is the name of the module, I haven't one loaded. No, i'm using 32-bit OS.13:45
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DocScrutinizerhmm13:45
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DocScrutinizerOperated: sorry, I'm short of ideas then13:46
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DocScrutinizerJartza: you're aware of13:47
DocScrutinizer~flash13:47
infobot[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware13:47
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DocScrutinizersorry, Operated ^^^13:48
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DocScrutinizero.O how's that ETAB slipping in there? sorry Jartza13:48
ShadowJKoh, kerosene in english. It was dual gasoline/kerosene :)13:48
Jartza:)13:48
Jartzano prob13:48
JartzaI also get that sometimes, copypasting something from web to irc causes strange tab-expands :)13:49
OperatedSomewhere in maemo forums I read that new libusb may cause this error. My version is: libusb-1.0.8. What version you used for successfull flashing?13:50
OperatedDocScrutinizer: thanks for ideas anyway =)13:50
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Operated //no matter under what OS13:51
Operated*which13:51
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DocScrutinizerhey, marry vanished13:53
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korhojoaaw :<13:56
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: it costs money per hour to use an internet cafe down there13:59
DocScrutinizeryeah13:59
DocScrutinizerand they might not be amused to get nmapped14:00
DocScrutinizeror freenode klined marry, as I suggested14:00
pupnikdid you get a video chat?14:01
DocScrutinizeror that other dude took down their network, he was rather upset GNAA is doing it again14:01
DocScrutinizerlol, with a bot?14:01
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korhojoagnaa? :D14:01
DocScrutinizerno idea14:01
korhojoathe uh... association of america?14:02
DocScrutinizer~wtf gnaa14:02
infobotGee...  I don't know what gnaa means...14:02
korhojoareally?14:02
DocScrutinizer~gnaa14:02
TsuyoHey, is there a way to open Ovi Maps with a specific LNG/LAT position?14:02
korhojoahttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fencyclopediadramatica.com%2FGNAA&rct=j&q=gnaa&ei=zQFETfCZGc-fOtrqxdgB&usg=AFQjCNERigAkTeqdtf0ImvK3wNpf2QreLA&sig2=qrSqgK1d8OOinT29Njrhzg&cad=rja14:02
korhojoaprobably nsfw, but seeing as it's saturday can't see anyone at work14:02
pupnikthat is a link to ED's "GNAA" article14:03
pupnikit's polite to describe your links korhojoa14:03
korhojoastupid google, it should be a clear link14:04
korhojoadidn't notice that14:04
DocScrutinizeralso WTF for this 3 lines URL, when a simple http://encyclopediadramatica.com/GNAA would do?14:04
korhojoaSeriously, I have no idea. I just right-clicked on the google result and selected copy link url14:05
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pupniki've made that mistake before14:05
korhojoaannoying, really annoying.14:05
pupnikyou'll always get the google url instead of the one they show14:05
korhojoathere's a greasemonkey script for it14:05
pupnikso they force you to 'click through'14:05
pupniki know, isn't it though14:05
pupnikbtw you an disable 'instant search' permanently in firefox14:06
pupnik*can14:06
pupnikanother google annoyance14:06
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korhojoaah. after installing this: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24102 - no more google redirects14:08
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SpeedEvilI love the Wales at the top of ED14:09
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DocScrutinizermicrob - on google URL "rightclick" and selecting "open in new window" - does complete crap and opens the result window again, instead of the URL it should14:11
DocScrutinizerprobably related14:12
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TermanaDocScrutinizer - actually I found that to only happen when you are slightly off somehow from the link. If you zoom right in and directly make sure you get the link it doesn't do it14:15
DocScrutinizero.O14:16
pupnikhey that script works here - thanks korhojoa14:16
TermanaDocScrutinizer - you heard it here first. Make me famous! :p14:16
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DocScrutinizerWTF?14:20
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pupnikwow, i'm really speeding up my internets14:21
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RST38bisDoc: you are still playing with that puppet?14:23
TermanaDocScrutinizer - you don't like my bot? :(14:23
Termana:P kidding14:23
Termana(it's not mine, if it's a bot/person/whatever)14:24
Termana(it)14:24
RST38bisAh, Termana, you evil nigerian puppeteer...14:24
RST38bistoo late to hide it now, your secret out14:24
TermanaRST38bis, sounds like a great new slogen for my business, Buy From Me - I'm an evil nigerian puppeteer!14:24
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Termanaslogan*14:24
DocScrutinizerand a member of GNAA :-P14:25
RST38bisTermana: Except that it should start with "Come to my circus"14:25
TermanaDocScrutinizer - :O heh14:25
DocScrutinizer:O what's that? goatse?14:26
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TermanaDocScrutinizer - GNAA is the parent organisation to Goatse Security. It's so big, it needs a security team14:27
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TermanaThe organisation that is!14:27
Termana:p14:27
RST38bisAnyone knows if opera guys are planning on another release for maemo5?14:27
RST38bisbecause their thing crashes on aborted tcpip connections...14:28
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psycho_oreosmaybe a good way is to ask opera themselves :)14:29
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Termana_Damn it14:31
Termana_my internet connection is as unstable as DocScrutinizer14:31
DocScrutinizerwazzup?14:31
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DocScrutinizerI have a better uptime than any of your other crap14:32
DocScrutinizerso WTF are you talking about?14:32
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TermanaDon't try to hide it by telling us about your uptime, I know you've been admitting yourself to the mental hospital14:34
TermanaI BACKTRACED YOU14:34
Termana:p14:34
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pupnikanybody know of a good fm transmitter i could plugin to my device?14:34
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Termanapupnik, what about the one already in your device?14:34
pupnik50 nanowatts?14:35
RST38bisthere are chinese fm dongles14:35
RST38bisnameless ones14:35
TermanaI'm sorry, I didn't understand you needed to run a pirate radio station14:35
DocScrutinizeryou ever heard of a bot got serviced at mental hostpital?14:35
RST38bisDoc: yes, by the patients14:36
Termana:D14:36
TermanaThey sucked the oil out but didn't put it back14:36
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TermanaIf you know what I mean14:36
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Termanapupnik, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Stereo-215-Channel-FM-Transmitter-Modulator-MP3-/170590928050?pt=AU_Electronics_Portable_Audio_Accessories&hash=item27b802fcb214:38
DocScrutinizerpupnik: http://www2.rohde-schwarz.com/en/products/broadcasting/sound_transmitters/SR600E1.html?cal_time=122249805614:38
DocScrutinizerTermana: you lose14:38
TermanaDocScrutinizer - The transmitters comprise the following modules:14:38
TermanaVHF FM Transmitter SU135 (exciter)14:39
TermanaWTF is the EXCITER?14:39
Termanaoh baby, broadcast from me14:39
RST38bissomething exciting maybe?14:39
alteregoWho, like me thinks it's a bad idea for me to store track log in sqlite3?14:39
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RST38bisyes14:39
alteregoI'm thinking of doing it, right now, because it's the easiest way to get the feature implemented.14:39
RST38bisjust use a freaking flat file14:40
Termanaalterego, you should consult your doctor if your doing squirrel communication.14:40
alteregoI already use sqlite for certain things.14:40
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alteregoBasically, waypoints are stored in the sqlite3 database as are trip meta data.14:40
TermanaJust keep trollin' trollin' trollin'14:41
DocScrutinizerTermana: afaik an Exciter is something that adds harmonics in freq band of human speech so audio sounds more brilliant14:41
RST38bisalterego: then why the hell not, once the sqlite screws up yiu will lose it all anyway14:41
alteregoActually, I've got a n idea.14:41
ShadowJKsqlite has terrible performance on flash media, second-long freezes are common :)14:41
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DocScrutinizerTermana: but here it's probably just the first stage TX, which excites the PA14:41
alteregoRST38bis: why would sqlite screw up?14:42
RST38bisShadowJK: which suddenly brings to mind...Fennec!14:42
ShadowJKlol14:42
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alteregoHeh14:42
ShadowJKstutter stutter stutter :D14:42
ShadowJKsqlite makes even rappers stutter14:42
pupnikthanks Termana DocScrutinizer14:43
RST38bisalterego: sqlite is known to damage its storage files every now and then14:43
alteregoGood job I've got export/import then :P14:43
ShadowJKflash is like a tape drive, you don't want sqlite doing writes in a zillion random places on it.. a simple appending logfile would cause less load even if it grows to multimegabyte over time (at which point you probably want to consolidate it)14:46
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alteregoLike I said, it's just because it's very easy for me to implement it with SQLite3 right now.14:47
alteregoI want to use flat file logging (well, I already do) it's the loading that's the problem at the moment.14:47
RST38bisdont load with fscanf then :)14:48
ShadowJKStructure isn't that important, but the resulting write access pattern is :-)14:48
alteregoActually, I think I planned for this.14:48
alterego(Is is a bit silly)14:48
alteregoI designed columbus to do this ffs.14:48
alteregoI just forgot how I did it ^.^14:48
RST38bisanyways you already have sqlite there14:48
alteregoYes, I use sqlite for waypoints and trip meta information.14:49
alteregotrack logs are already stored in an NMEA flat file when configured.14:49
alteregos/track logs/logs/14:49
infobotalterego meant: logs are already stored in an NMEA flat file when configured.14:49
alteregoYes, this should work nicely.14:51
ShadowJKsqlite developers are trying to unfuck sqlite by making it record all transactions as a constantly appending log14:52
ShadowJKthat's reduce stutter alot..14:52
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RST38bisShadowJK: ACID-compliance any time soon? Will Oracle buy them? :)15:01
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OperatedOkay, seems, I found a solution. For google and log indexation: "Unable to enumerate USB devices" error in flasher fixes by installing old libusb-0.1.12 version.15:05
RST38bis...Dear Google! Please check my account settings! Do you see "language: English" there? Then why the hell do you insist on serving me pages in Russian?...15:06
kerioRST38bis: your browser is requesting russian15:08
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RST38bisOperated: installing a version of Linux that does not require fiddling is also an option15:11
RST38biskerio: nope.15:11
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keriothen you live in russia15:12
kerioyou freedom-hating, godless commie bastard15:12
RST38bissettings FIRST. ip SECOND.15:13
RST38bisnot the vice versa, bad google, bad.15:13
OperatedRST38bis: replacing 5-years old deprecated depencies with new ones in such important utility is also good thing.15:14
RST38bisOperated: never had a problem, sorry. running latest stable ubuntu.15:15
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ShadowJKRST38bis, google does same thing to me15:17
ShadowJKthough google ads thinks im in japan and google search thinks i speak dutch15:17
RST38bisShadowJK: you probably got a provider that sometimes assigns you dutch addresses =)15:18
RST38bisShadowJK: Tele2 does this kind of thing in Lithuania, freaked me out at first15:19
ShadowJKNo, I definitely have a dutch IP address. However, I've set language to english everywhere on google. it just periodically resets15:19
ShadowJKwhy adsense things think im in jp, nfi15:19
RST38bisnow, THAT is ..mmm...kawai15:20
ShadowJKIt's 99% groupon.jp ads, not that exciting15:20
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OperatedRST38bis: it's so good to listen, that many linux users even doesn't know about this problem. Really =)15:21
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DocScrutinizerpfff, I *really* wonder what for that crappy defunct xkbbell is in standard fremantle16:04
DocScrutinizermaybe it even worked, prior to PA adoption16:04
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alteregoBloody passworded pdfs16:16
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pupniki like being able to beep things with ^G16:19
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DocScrutinizer.gvfs @³đ€1°!!##*\¿%$$!!!! >:-((( BSBSBSBS16:24
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: alas xkbbell won't help, on maemo16:25
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* DocScrutinizer wonders since when he got this FSCKING gnomefs .gvfs and what's the use a root cp -a ~jr /some/where is throwing error as not even root can stat that shit16:28
DocScrutinizer~nuke gnome16:28
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gnome ... B☢☢M!16:28
DocScrutinizer~lart g*16:28
* infobot makes a balloon animal out of g*16:28
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alteregoHas anyone managed to disassemble a Nokia C7?16:30
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alteregoBloody quiet today.17:12
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RST38hrun out of reality-modifying substances?17:12
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psycho_oreosI wonder where does fapman stores the names of the repos, its not in /opt/fapman-cache/sources.list. Looking to back the names up in case I import the list of repos from ham gives it weird titles again17:35
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pupnikhey nokia... 2000mAh or better17:35
pupnikgo go17:36
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RST38hpupnik: Yes, and you agree to wear it on your belt, with a wire17:36
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GAN900Nokia switching to WP717:37
RST38hNo iOS? Aaaarghhh!17:37
steinexGAN900: source?17:37
* RST38h buying iPhone right away.17:38
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steinexGAN900: where is the source? is this confirmed?17:40
RST38hYes.17:40
pupnikhttp://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-3600mah-extended-battery-for-nokia-e61-europe-model-nokia-e62-asia-model-with-battery-door-in-silver.html17:40
steinexwhat about meego?17:40
RST38hNo.17:40
steinexsrsly, this is facepalm deluxe17:41
RST38hYes.17:41
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pupnikmight be time to invest in nokia stock17:41
GAN900steinex, no, rumor.17:42
GAN900http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6905717:42
RST38hGAN900: He did not really say anything of the kind17:43
pupnikhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=NOA3:GR  check the stockc17:44
RST38hNOthing interesting happening to the stock.17:45
RST38h(see a longer term graph below)17:45
pupnikhttp://de.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOA3.DE17:46
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RST38hlooks comatose to me, sorry17:47
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RST38hIs XFade still alive and in charge of the Extras?17:49
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psycho_oreosrumours is the source of all FUD, period17:50
RST38hpsycho: Lack of communication from the company is the source of all fud17:51
pupnikwonder how much of that E7 delay is due to exchange integration problems17:51
psycho_oreosRST38h, its what you get with companies these days, its not only Nokia that's doing it, have a look at Apple17:51
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GAN900RST38h, indeed not.17:54
GAN900RST38h, thus the hilarity.17:54
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RST38hGAN: Watching endless lemming hordes argue about things they do not understand and cannot affect lacks any hilarity17:57
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GAN900RST38h, perhaps a bit manic.17:59
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RST38hGAN: You want manic, try this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/happy-free-market-log-1764339018:00
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RST38hGAN: Best consumed with this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-261-ad-de18:01
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SavagoGood afternoon.18:15
SavagoAnyone around that hacks in mBarcode?18:15
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derfWell, lardman|gone's nick suggests that he's not.18:16
derfI don't really, anymor, so I'm not sure who else to suggest.18:16
derf*anymore18:16
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Savagoderf, I see. I was trying to understand better how it works18:17
SavagoIt seems that the heavy stuff is done by ZBar and libdmtx, right?18:18
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SavagoIs gstreamer used for anything else besides display video (i.e. image processing/filtering)?18:19
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psycho_oreosanyone tried to bind /var/log to /opt/var/log?18:22
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marnanelThis is really more a dbus issue than a Maemo one, but I have a dbus service which dies with "Failed to register GObject with DBusConnection" on dbus_g_connection_register_g_object() only so far on Maemo and not if I run it on a desktop machine. (The code is https://github.com/tthurman/imgur-integration/blob/master/src/dbus/imgur-service.c ). Does anyone know where18:34
alteregoGonna write and release an app to Ovi this weekend me thinks18:35
marnanelI would begin trying to find out what that error means?  I have read the source of dbus-glib itself and am none the wiser18:35
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psycho_oreosthe rootfs and the /home uses the same chip right? oneNAND?18:36
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pupnikwhat is the delay in milliseconds of bluetooth audio ?18:38
pupnikrange..18:38
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wjtmarnanel: i bet you have more than one ImgurUpload objec18:46
wjtmarnanel: t.18:46
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, no, /home is on 32GB18:46
SpeedEvilThe onenand is a 256M chip that is soldered on top of the CPU18:46
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, so different chips I suppose? :/ thanks18:46
SpeedEvilAlong with 256M of RAM18:47
psycho_oreosahh bugger18:47
wjtmarnanel: you can't register more than one object at the same path on one connection18:47
wjtmarnanel: oh, i see18:48
wjtin imgur_upload_init() you're registering the ImgurUpload object at /com/imgur18:48
wjtand then right after creating one, at line 300, you do the same18:48
wjtmarnanel: you're also requesting the imgur.com name twice18:48
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: otherwise /opt would be rather senseless18:49
wjtmarnanel: if you're sure ImgurUpload will always be a singleton, I'd keep the code that registers it at /com/imgur in its _init()18:49
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wjtmarnanel: and then move the code in main which claims the 'com.imgur' bus name to after you construct the ImgurUpload object18:50
wjtmarnanel: and remove the call to dbus_g_c_register_g_o from main, and the call to RequestName in imgur_upload_init18:50
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I was hoping to resize the rootfs but little did I know they were on two different chips18:50
wjtmarnanel: also rather than generating a binding for RequestName, I would call http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusBus.html#ga8a9024c78c4ea89b6271f19dbc7861b218:51
wjtmarnanel: you can turn a DBusGConnection into a DBusConnection with the DBUS_G_CONNECTION_TO_CONNECTION () macro (well, it's called something like that)18:51
DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: see:18:51
wjtmarnanel: got to head out to a train, hope this helps :)18:51
DocScrutinizer51~optification18:51
infobot[optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence318:51
DocScrutinizer51what's said about usr/ there does apply to var/log etc as well18:52
alteregoI still think /usr/local but that's just me18:53
alteregoAnd FHS doesn't say /usr under different part does it?18:53
alteregoBecause thet's pretty retarded.18:53
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wjtmarnanel: oh also i can explain some other time (if you're interested) why this crashes on maemo and not on your desktop :)18:56
* wjt ->18:56
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, bleh I'll read that some other time, right now I'm just a little annoyed with the lack of space.. my rootfs now sits on 40MB of free space18:58
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MohammadAGhow do i get the router IP address18:59
MohammadAGusing ifconfig18:59
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, you can't try route instead and check for the line containing UG19:00
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, is that necessary? I'm connected19:01
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, well I don't know how to check via ifconfig but I can definitely say with route you can see where is the router's IP address or at least the default gateway19:02
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_llll_ifconfig is for config(uring) the i(nter)f(ace) not for configuering the router19:09
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luke-jrifconfig is also deprecated19:11
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alteregoThere is no "ip" on maemo19:13
alteregoSo it's not deprecated here.19:13
Corsacit sure is19:16
Corsacthere's iproute package in extras-devel19:16
Corsac(I never pushed them to extras-testing :/)19:16
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GAN900Damn Glazers19:22
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marnanelwjt: I would actually quite like to hear why it crashes on maemo and not the desktop sometime19:28
marnanelwjt: thanks!19:28
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Venemohi guys19:51
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psycho_oreosahaha I love the advanced clock plugin, using binary clock, it looks fancy but now I have nfi how to interpret the time. The active little display showing seconds looks almost like as if its a braille display19:53
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Venemolol psycho_oreos19:55
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* psycho_oreos facepalms self for installing something fancy and now made himself look more like a blonde :)19:56
ecksundoes less exists for maemo?19:57
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psycho_oreosyes under qa-tools19:58
ecksunwhats the package name? :)19:58
psycho_oreosless19:58
ecksunhmm, Im missing something19:58
ecksunwhats qa-tools? :D19:59
psycho_oreoshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_developer_tools20:01
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psycho_oreosactually: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo520:02
ecksunoh, yeah, i used that repo a while ago20:02
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ecksunit fucked up my device bigtime20:03
ecksuncant remember how though :P20:03
ecksunthink it was one pr update20:03
ecksunbut how can anyone do anything without lesS? :)20:03
psycho_oreosthey probably used more heh20:03
ecksun:D20:04
ecksuni feel that there is about a hundred lame jokes that would fit right now20:04
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ecksundo you know if the packages there are optified?20:05
ecksunhmm, they claim that installing man on device is a bad idea :(20:06
psycho_oreosdon't know, somewhat doubt it20:06
ecksuni want man20:06
ecksunyeah, i agree20:06
psycho_oreosI can't install man without breaking lots of setup internally20:06
ecksunoh, i see20:07
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ecksuni thought man was only a bunch of text-files, didnt expect that to break something20:07
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steinexecksun: um, 'more' exists20:14
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steinexless is a feature-more version of it, so it's not a joke :P20:15
ecksunyes, i know20:15
ecksunthats why i want less20:15
ecksuni dont really like more, to few features20:15
steinexi have less installed via extras20:16
ecksunoh? where is it?20:16
steinexwheres the problem? sorry, didn't got the whole conversation20:16
ecksuni cant find the package20:16
ecksunless isnt contained in coreutils-gnu20:16
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ecksunatleast20:16
ecksuni want to know where i can find less :)20:17
steinexi have extras-testing and extras-devel enables, it's only there probably20:17
steinexs/es/ed/20:17
infobotsteinex meant: i have extras-tedting and extras-devel enables, it's only there probably20:17
ecksuni enabled testing20:17
ecksunits not there20:17
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steinexlet me check20:17
ecksunbut your right20:17
ecksunthere exists a less package in devel20:17
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ecksunif a package exists in two repos (freemantle utils and devel) which one will get prioritized?20:18
ecksunthe one with the highest version number, right?20:18
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psycho_oreosI presume so yes20:18
steinexecksun: right20:18
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steinexecksun: you could use apt-pinning to prioritize stable versions, though20:19
ecksunyes, but i would rather not20:19
ecksunor, nvm, thoguht of something lese20:19
ecksunelse*20:19
steinexapt-pinning will lead to other problems sooner or later20:19
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ecksunyes20:20
steinexhowever, i'm running extras-devels without any problems virtually forever now ;)20:20
ecksunbut, less is an exception, probably20:20
ecksunsteinex, yeah, but I have something against unstable software20:20
ecksunIm running debian stable on my server, which might say something :P20:20
steinexif you really just care about less, you could just get the deb and dpkg -i it20:20
ecksunyes, i know20:20
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ecksunbut i dont think there are going to be any problem with installing it from devel, and then disabling it20:21
ecksunwhatever thats called20:21
steinexthat would be an option too, of course20:21
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ecksunhave you used apt-pinning?20:24
steinexyes20:25
ecksundid you run into any problems, and if so, what?20:25
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steinexbut i just switched to using extras-testing/devel directly and never encountered any problems20:26
steinexnope, there where no problems with pinning20:26
steinexbut anyway... no problem with running devel... maemo is not debian20:26
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ecksun:D20:27
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steinexand you will be happy about updates in third-party-applications that would need ages to reach extras-stable20:29
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steinexswitching to devel won't upgrade any substantial maemo-stuff. that are third-party packages anyway. so, go ahead ;)20:29
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ecksunyes, i know20:30
ecksunbut they are devel nontheless20:30
ecksunthats why i only enabled testing20:30
ecksuni have only used extras the previous year20:30
ecksunbaby steps and so forth :D20:30
steinexuhm, well20:30
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steinexto not confuse things: upstream-developers don't decide if its devel, testing or stable20:31
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steinexmaintainers of the repositories do (via votes from community)20:31
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steinexa package might be perfectly in shape for extras-stable but would never end there because noone cares20:31
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ecksunyes, im aware of that20:32
ecksunbut any maintainer can get their stuff into testing20:32
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ecksunso when stuff ends upp their you could think of it as the maintainer think its mature enough :)20:33
ecksunbut now im going to eat, have a nice day120:33
steinexi'm going to drink, you too!20:34
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Eheeanyone here have experance with USB Host mode DMA kernel code? Im trying to get an x-box kinect hooked up to my N800 and i have done some hacking and have the devices showing up and trying to transfer frame data via DMA but im a bit confused by the data flow through the Kernel USB host mode driver code.20:42
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mc_teohey21:09
mc_teosee this little app i wrote? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=93075721:09
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mc_teonobody responded so i believe i posted it in a board that recieved little traffic21:09
mc_teowhere else could i put it?21:10
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kerioUP YOUR ASS! *ba dum tsss*21:17
keriomc_teo: sadly the GPS has some serious troubles getting a fix if it doesn't have cell data and/or network data21:18
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pupnikanybody know where to buy Neo-8 drivers cheap in europe?21:23
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javispedrohah, the autobuilder now hates me too :)21:30
RST38hjavispedro: hey, do not turn bt off if it has been on to begin with =)21:31
javispedrofor some reason, it's sending me scary python exceptions via email the instant I send it a package, then proceeds to build it as usual.21:31
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javispedroRST38h: that's fmrx-n900-enabler, nfi why it does that. need to read its logic someday.21:31
javispedroRST38h: btw about your background request, have you considered .gtkrc? seems easy enough21:32
RST38hjavispedro: not yet, but hell, yes...21:32
RST38hjavispedro: I just hoped for something that shows up out of the box :)21:32
RST38hbtw, the radio came up showing (null) and 0MHz scale today, took a minute or two to make it work21:33
javispedrodmesg is probably full of bcm error messages when that happens...21:34
RST38hheh21:34
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npmregarding the packages updated by the community SSU -- i see modest,  hildon and libvte updates.... what gets improved?22:05
npmfrom list javispedro sent in meego channel: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/control22:06
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psycho_oreosthe hildon-desktop in the cssu is matan's mhd being integrated into the standard package. The rest I'm not too sure what fixes were done on them22:09
RST38hbtw, what is this libvte fix someone mentioned earlier?22:11
javispedrothat is osso-terminal22:12
javispedroprolly.22:12
RST38hpart of it, anyway22:12
psycho_oreosseems like thp knows about it22:14
javispedrohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog22:14
chxoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo22:16
chxthey fixed 6009!!!!!!22:16
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RST38hthanks, javispedro22:20
RST38haah,the enter key...22:21
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chxRST38h: yes. given that the most important ask for my N900 (ie the one that pays the monthly bill) is SSH and there is more oftne than not a screen on the other end, it's very ick ofr me22:27
chxs/ask/task22:27
chxfor personal use, i mostly need GPS + Google maps. Vancouver is just too big for little me.22:28
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marnanelanother question. I have a package which is debianised upstream. Clearly I need a different debianisation for Maemo. Is the proper way to do this to have two copies in separate source control, or to keep them together and tell dpkg-buildpackage which to use, or to have just one debian directory and conditionals, or something else?22:30
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unixSnobhow can AT&T phone credit be spent -- other than making calls?22:38
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psycho_oreosask AT&T directly?22:39
unixSnobAT&T script reading sales dummies wouldn't be able to handle this question... suppose you have a PYG AT&T phone, and the minutes will soon expire.  You do not intend to renew, but you don't want to waste the minutes22:41
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unixSnobpsycho_oreos: e.g., you can donate the minutes to charity.. but would an AT&T rep know that?  I think not.22:42
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psycho_oreosunixSnob, don't they have an accounts department? *shrugs*22:43
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psycho_oreosI never dealt with at&t nor do I live in stateside :)22:43
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unixSnobpsycho_oreos: well in the states, they are behind.  They have not really gotten to a point of being able to use mobile phones to pay for things22:47
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luke-jrunixSnob: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme + QR-code22:59
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unixSnobthanks luke-jr.. I'm looking into it.  looks complicated.  are you saying I implement a means to do carrier billing myself?23:05
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luke-jrunixSnob: just display a payment QR-Code and users can load it on their phones to pay23:05
luke-jreg, display http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=12&d=bitcoin%3A1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo to make a random donation to me :P23:07
luke-jrscan that w/ your phone etc23:07
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unixSnobluke-jr: my phone is low end.. no cam.  my NIT can read barcodes, but I suppose that's useless since my NIT doesn't have GSM23:09
luke-jrunixSnob: what does GSM have to do with anything?23:10
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unixSnobluke-jr: ultimately i need to use money loaded on a GSM account23:10
luke-jrunixSnob: well, bitcoin doesn't do that :P23:10
unixSnobthe money is sitting in a PYG AT&T account that will soon expire23:10
luke-jryou pay with your phone, like you pay from any terminal23:11
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unixSnobluke-jr: that's a bit vague.  You can potentially pay with your phone by scanning a 2d barcode (if you have a phone with cam), or you can SMS pay for something23:12
unixSnoband I suspect there might be a way to pay online from a phone account - but that's just theoretical23:13
unixSnobin any case, I would be limited to SMS methods, and online methods, if they exist23:13
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unixSnobi wonder what it would take to act as a charity, solely for the purpose of accepting my own SMS donations23:15
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luke-jrunixSnob: there's probably huge fees23:26
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Ken-YoungAre there any kind souls around whom I might be able to convince to test my app (orrery) in Extras Testing so that it might be promoted out of QA purgatory?23:33
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BCMMKen-Young: what does that entail?23:34
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BCMMoh, you mean somebody who is allowed to promote stuff23:36
Ken-YoungBCMM, It entails loading the app on your N900 from the Extras Testing repository, and seeing if you like it.   If you like it, you can vote thumbs up on it on the Testing QA web page.   If you think it stinks, or that there are major problems with it, you can vote thumbs down.23:36
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BCMMah, i see23:36
BCMMyeah, i'll have a look23:36
BCMMi've use orrery before, actually23:36
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Ken-YoungBCMM, If you want to be more careful, you can check that it is optified, that it doesn't violate any of the standards etc.23:37
BCMMwhich standards are those?23:37
Ken-YoungBCMM, But since this is just a feature upgrate, things like optification have been tested long ago.23:37
Ken-YoungBCMM, I'l look for the list...23:38
BCMMKen-Young: just to check, which version is the latest -testing version?23:38
Ken-YoungBCMM, The latest version is 3.2, which is listed on the "Symbol Key" page.23:39
BCMMKen-Young: how do you switch portrait and landscape?23:40
Ken-YoungBCMM, You can also tell the latest version because it has two selection labelled "Astronomical Times" and "Analemma" on the "Other Pages" selection screen.23:40
Ken-YoungBCMM, Sadly, orrery is a portrait only app.23:40
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BCMMKen-Young: thought so. it loads in landscape for me...23:40
BCMMthen goes to portrait when i go to another page23:41
Ken-YoungBCMM, Really??? It doesn't switch to portrait?23:41
Ken-YoungI've never seen that behavior.23:41
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BCMMKen-Young: it may be a problem with my system23:42
BCMMKen-Young: i've had trouble lately with getting the phone app to go portrait when i want it to23:42
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BCMMi use a modified hildon-desktop23:42
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BCMMbut microB portrait mode works fine23:43
Ken-YoungBCMM, When you got back to the sky map, returning from "Other Pages", does it go back to landscape?23:43
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BCMMKen-Young: it's OK after going in to "quick tips" and back23:45
Ken-YoungBCMM, Here is the QA checklist (http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist), but one is not obligated to check the things on that list before voting an app up or down.23:45
BCMMKen-Young: but i can get back to landscape by going to "red flashlight" and coming back...23:46
Ken-YoungBCMM, Could you send me a pointer to a description of how your modified Hildon Desktop is configure?  I'd like to reproduce the behavior you're seeing, and try to make my app deal with it properly.23:46
BCMMKen-Young: do you mean how i installed it, or gconf stuff?23:47
Ken-YoungBCMM, If such a description is practical...23:47
BCMMKen-Young: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop23:47
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Ken-YoungBCMM, Thank you - I'd never run across that before.23:48
BCMMKen-Young: the main addition is some extra keyboard stuff, including ctrl-backspace working like alt-tab23:49
Ken-YoungI wonder what any of that has to do with portrait<->landscape ?23:49
BCMMKen-Young: doesn't hildon-desktop act as the window manager?23:50
BCMMalso, it could just not be anything to do with that23:50
Ken-YoungBCMM, I don't know if hildon-desktop is the window manager.   Sounds likely, but I'm just guessing.23:51
BCMMwell, when it crashes the windecos disappear23:51
BCMM(this can happen when getting a new mail notification with the modified hildon desktop)23:51
BCMMbut alt-tab is just so useful...23:52
psycho_oreosprobably the new hildon-home from cssu might fix it :)23:52
BCMMpsycho_oreos: what is that?23:53
Jaffa~CSSU23:53
JaffaCSSU is http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_5_gets_community_os_updates/23:53
psycho_oreosBCMM, Community SSU :)23:53
Jaffa~CSSU23:53
psycho_oreos!CSSU23:54
Jaffa~CSSU23:54
psycho_oreoshmm23:54
psycho_oreos~HAM23:54
infobotham is probably oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager  Ham is also lovely with pickle.23:54
JaffaSilly bot. Didn't learn it via DM either23:54
BCMMpsycho_oreos: so basically, a kinda "PR1.4"?23:55
JaffaBCMM: Not quite that big of a jump yet.23:55
psycho_oreosBCMM, not quite23:55
BCMMsorry, meant to highlight Jaffa23:55
JaffaBCMM: MohammadAG likes the version PR1.3.3.7 ;-)23:55
BCMMyeah, figured it wouldn't be as big as all that23:55
psycho_oreosBCMM, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog23:55
BCMMJaffa: heh23:55
JaffaBCMM: It's the start of the process though. Lots of scope for lots of different types of folks to get involved to make it as big as PR1.4 and PR1.5 down the line23:56
BCMM"Added ~/.local/share/applications/hildon to the searchpath for .desktop files" - nice.23:56
Ken-YoungJaffa, That's nice to hear.23:56
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BCMM(presumably, that means you can add stuff to the app launcher without getting clobbered by updates, right?23:57
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JaffaBCMM: Correct23:57
JaffaKen-Young: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Contributing23:57
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Ken-YoungJaffa, Thanks!23:58
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JaffaKen-Young: There are some easy improvements to the whole CSSU which can be tackled by someone without a programmer background, such as bug 1181523:59
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11815 Add XB-Maemo-Display-Icon-26 to enabler & meta-packages23:59
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BCMMoh wow, fixed the damn ^M in xterm!23:59
psycho_oreosJaffa, sadly you haven't answered my previous question :/ I guess the answer is no?23:59
BCMMsplendid23:59
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Sorry, missed it23:59

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