| nox- | that just sends poweroff ir codes for all kinds of tvs, right? | 00:00 |
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| nomis | yes | 00:01 |
| nox- | well then i dunno whats wrong with it either :) | 00:01 |
| hyper_noober_XL | it is the first time i have used irda in about 8 years! | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't irda | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just ir | 00:02 |
| nomis | I have two reports that the desktop stopped responding upon installation. And it absolutely does not happen for me. | 00:02 |
| nox- | oh | 00:02 |
| nomis | these two had to reboot to fix it. | 00:02 |
| nomis | (apparently it then worked) | 00:02 |
| * talineo (while installing kde4) wonder if the fact that using a alternative OS on the internal SD reduces its lifespan ? | 00:03 | |
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| hyper_noober_XL | well it is an irda port | 00:05 |
| hyper_noober_XL | therefore it is irda | 00:06 |
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| jacekowski | hyper_noober_XL: it's not irda port | 00:07 |
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| jacekowski | hyper_noober_XL: irda requires two way communication | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is CIR | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | nomis: it doesn't work | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | nomis: i tried it on one tv | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | nomis: it worked once | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | nomis: and never again | 00:08 |
| hyper_noober_XL | well you sure showed me | 00:08 |
| hyper_noober_XL | -_- | 00:09 |
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| nomis | jacekowski: huh. | 00:10 |
| nomis | jacekowski: does the IR-LED blink? | 00:10 |
| hyper_noober_XL | look at it through a camera phone and you might be able to see it | 00:11 |
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| nox- | or a digital still/video camera or anything else with a ccd | 00:14 |
| joga | hmm...I did the update to pr1.3 with flasher and started restoring from backup...now it's been at "Installing 'Catorise'" for about half an hour | 00:17 |
| joga | I can ssh into it and top doesn't show anything much happening | 00:17 |
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| joga | something I should do? | 00:18 |
| joga | the LED doesn't blink when I attach the cable, power button single press doesn't do anything...can't get to dashboard | 00:18 |
| joga | hmm...now that the display went off, the led lights up (green, it's fully charged) | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | catorise is messing with hildon desktop or applauncher or sth. I'd not be surprised to find it locking the desktop and needing a reboot | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might do a killall hildon-desktop though | 00:21 |
| joga | hmm...worth a try | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | without warranties | 00:21 |
| joga | :) | 00:21 |
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| joga | I'm not sure if it can continue restoring apps after reboot so I'll try something else first | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could start over again, this time maybe deselecting catorise | 00:23 |
| joga | if all else fails, yes | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Catorise doesn't mess with hildon-desktop or applauncher or sth. | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, dunno then | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: There *is* a hildon-desktop bug about a continual ~6% CPU usage when using sub-menus in PR1.2 (IIRC) or later. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but that won't freeze the system | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Fixed in the HEAD and there are CSSU and standalone versions of h-d which can be installed to remove it. | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi btw | 00:25 |
| * Jaffa 's going to bed now :-) | 00:25 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk: some old philosophy text. | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | My boss just pulled it out, didn't really see much of it. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | ? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | ahh | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i meant the book spine itself | 00:29 |
| * lcuk curls up behind the boiler for the night | 00:30 | |
| lcuk | nite \o | 00:30 |
| nomis | uh, boiler alert. | 00:31 |
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| Saviq | hi all, anyone got sync working with fennec 4b3? | 00:35 |
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| Venemo | Saviq: it worked for some time, but doesn't work right now | 00:36 |
| Saviq | Venemo: you using mozila's servers or a custom one? | 00:36 |
| Venemo | Saviq: mozilla's | 00:36 |
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| joga | err...I can't uncheck catorise, it's simply not there in the list when restore asks what apps to put back | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | did you hear of that japanese guy who translated an x86 game to ARM? | 00:43 |
| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/39437-albion/ albion | 00:43 |
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| nomis | is there a non-scratchbox toolchain for the n900? | 00:45 |
| joga | apparently catorise is installed anyway... | 00:45 |
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| ag0ny1 | Is the faster application manager know to cause any problems, like random reboots? | 00:49 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 00:53 |
| VladNistor | ahm, there's fapman :) | 00:53 |
| VladNistor | (Faster application manager) | 00:54 |
| VladNistor | and for the record, i like the old icon better :P | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | something about fapman was so odd I deinstalled it after <15min. Can't remember what it was | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | fap fap fap | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | VladNistor, replace it | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | we need an actual fapman | 00:56 |
| alterego | Well, my Qt/GLES2 code works on both desktop and mobile :) | 00:56 |
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| RST38h | Heya Mohammad | 00:57 |
| ag0ny1 | For the records. I still have random reboots :( | 00:57 |
| alterego | Including my shaders :) | 00:57 |
| RST38h | moo alterego | 00:57 |
| ag0ny1 | So I guess I have to send the device back in... | 00:57 |
| alterego | Hey RST38h :) | 00:57 |
| ag0ny1 | and ask for an replacement | 00:57 |
| VladNistor | MohammadAG, yeah, i was considering that :) | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | hey RST38h | 00:58 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, so when should we expect the fapman? :P | 00:58 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: ? | 00:59 |
| alterego | I'm not doing any package management :P | 00:59 |
| alterego | Just wanted to spend some time playing with Qt & GLES2. | 00:59 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, not that meaning of fap | 00:59 |
| * MohammadAG hands alterego a backscroll reader and a sarcasm detector | 01:00 | |
| alterego | Coming up with the framework I'm going to use to make Columbus' next gen track view widget :) | 01:00 |
| joga | MohammadAG http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/5th_comic0.png | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | joga, the internet's one f'd up place :p | 01:02 |
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| joga | grr...I think I'll just reflash and try again, 2nd attempt at restore failed installing mobile maps and stopped there | 01:05 |
| joga | maybe this time I can unselect catorise... | 01:06 |
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| joga | on a side note, I think it's strange that I didn't find any official looking instructions on nokia's web page on how to do an upgrade on linux | 01:07 |
| joga | it just tells you to download the windows proggy like it's your only choice | 01:08 |
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| ShadowJK | the windows program just reflahes | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't do an upgrade | 01:08 |
| joga | umm... | 01:08 |
| joga | I mean, if I had pr 1.2, then I flash it, then I have 1.3, couldn't that be called an upgrade? | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 01:09 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess I mean seamless upgrade where you don't lose apps or settings | 01:09 |
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| _llll_ | upgrade and "reinstall at a newer version" not quite the same thing | 01:10 |
| joga | yeah...well I would have done that but I don't think I could have had many programs installed for it to work, never could free up enough space | 01:10 |
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| joga | _llll_, if you try OTA, it tells you to use pc suite to do it. so is it any different then? | 01:11 |
| joga | I do understand the technical difference of flashing an image and updating packages, but I'm just saying that they should have at least linked to maemo wiki or something | 01:11 |
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| _llll_ | joga: my phone upgraded 1.2 to 1.3 OTA, no sintructions needed really | 01:13 |
| VladNistor | i used aptitude :) | 01:13 |
| joga | _llll_, I wish mine could have also | 01:13 |
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| nomis | what triggers a rescan of the hildon-home .desktop files? | 01:15 |
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| nomis | kill -HUP seems a bit drastic... | 01:15 |
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| talineo | snif have no luck today | 01:18 |
| talineo | seems like the kde4 repos for n810 are not available :/ | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | nomis, ionotify | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | ie any file that changes | 01:18 |
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| nomis | mhm, ok. But when installing a desktop applet, do I have to control the order the files are unpacked then? I.e. first the library (or python script) and then the accompanying .desktop file? | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 01:24 |
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| nomis | the thing is, that I don't see a consistent behaviour. Sometimes the plugin appears upon installation, sometimes not. | 01:25 |
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| nomis | right now the plugin doesn't seem to get loaded. | 01:25 |
| nomis | and kill -HUP'ing the hildon-home processes makes the widget-menu entry appear. | 01:26 |
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| nomis | so in *principle* everything seems ok, but it does not get autoloaded upon installation. | 01:26 |
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| * alterego wonders if there's a way to reduce tearing in gles under maemo | 01:29 | |
| alterego | Can I do software vsync of some kind? | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | does gles provide for that alterego | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | what gles thing are you doing? | 01:35 |
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| alterego | pupnik: just playing at the moment, trying to get a good framework which mixes Qt, QtQuick/QML & OpenGL | 01:36 |
| alterego | Aiming for my 3D track view replacement for Columbus. | 01:36 |
| alterego | gles doesn't have any hardware syncing stuff, it should be handled by the OS | 01:37 |
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| pupnik | we could make an openstreetmap racing game | 01:39 |
| alterego | Heh :J | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | well.. take some existing racing game perhaps | 01:40 |
| pupnik | and make an osm plugin that lets you define tracks from a subset of the data | 01:40 |
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| lucent | Hm, printing the GPS lat/long to console, ideas? | 03:32 |
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| FauxFaux | lucent: I can't believe I'm going to say this. The python location library and a tiny script. | 03:40 |
| FauxFaux | http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/loc.py is the code I stole from somewhere. | 03:41 |
| MrBawb | there's an example script at: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API | 03:42 |
| lucent | FauxFaux: that is helpful, thank you | 03:42 |
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| lucent | I found some info already, looking for more examples is great | 03:42 |
| FauxFaux | Looks entirely identical to mine but with comments, MrBawb. :) | 03:42 |
| MrBawb | yup, that's it | 03:42 |
| lucent | I misplaced (and found!) my N900 recently, but I do not have SMS text messaging enabled at the carrier level | 03:43 |
| lucent | so... gotta get creative | 03:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is turning on SMS expensive? | 03:44 |
| lucent | here it's an extra $10 / month | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 03:44 |
| * SpeedEvil hugs t-mobile.uk. | 03:44 | |
| lucent | I'm with T-Mobile in the US | 03:44 |
| lucent | what's your plan like? | 03:44 |
| FauxFaux | Really? What the hell. | 03:44 |
| MrBawb | you have a voice-only plan then? | 03:45 |
| * FauxFaux gets free unlimited internet, free landline calls, 100 sms and 100 minutes anywhere for £10 ($17) a month. ¬_¬ | 03:45 | |
| lucent | voice-only with $10/month add-on internet, I pay 39.99usd and that's like $45.66 after taxes | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: I am on pay-as-you-go - with no contract - and have paid 20 quid ($35) to get 6 mo of internet @1G/mo | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | SMSs and voice are moderately expensive, but available. | 03:45 |
| lucent | wtf, wow really? I'm paying too much | 03:45 |
| FauxFaux | (That's sim-only, though.) | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sim-only here too. | 03:46 |
| FauxFaux | You're probably paying $45*18 months == $800 for a $500 'phone, too. :) | 03:47 |
| lucent | me? I bought my N900 outright, so I guess I am SIM-only? | 03:47 |
| lucent | no contract here | 03:47 |
| lucent | wonder whether I could get a better deal in the USA and still use call-forwarding for Google Voice | 03:47 |
| lucent | the trouble I had with prepaid month-to-month was it was technically impossible to set up call forwarding | 03:48 |
| MrBawb | if you can get everyone to call google voice, they'll do the forwarding | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There seems to be lots of that. | 03:49 |
| lucent | good point, in fact. | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Oh - this plan is a bargain - but you can't call numbers that aren't prime' | 03:49 |
| lucent | (ha! prime as in mathematics?) | 03:50 |
| RST38h | alterego: Tried Columbus. Dumps core after ~3-5 minutes of operaion | 03:50 |
| MrBawb | I've changed over to use google voice's voicemail, handy | 03:50 |
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| lucent | MrBawb: do you have text transcription enabled? I find some of the attempts amusing | 03:52 |
| MrBawb | yes, it's quite bad | 03:53 |
| lucent | "A rock, hello. Pudding cops ground salad to work today. Thanks. Bye bye bye." | 03:53 |
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| Proteous | heh | 03:53 |
| MrBawb | example: "You hello. Hello. Hey, okay. Hello. Bye bye. Hello, bye. Hello. Hello, bye. Hello, is okay. Hello. Hello. So sister. Good Morning, How are you Hello bye bye, bye. It. Thanks. Yeah, Hello Hello. Hello. So" | 03:54 |
| lucent | that's it | 03:54 |
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| lucent | for now what I'm doing is forwarding SMS messages to the email address which gets pushed to my N900 | 03:55 |
| lucent | I can receive and reply via email client, which Google Voice handles | 03:55 |
| MrBawb | oh, I didn't know it could do email | 03:55 |
| MrBawb | handy | 03:55 |
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| lucent | well, T-Mobile insists to charge me $4.99usd/mo for "Family Usage" plan if I want whitelisting SMS text message phone numbers feature | 03:56 |
| lucent | I'm not paying extra for something as technically simple as SMS. It's amazing to hear you guys pay less than $20usd/mo | 03:57 |
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| lucent | another topic, following all the guides I've seen I am still unable to get the N900 SDK going to compile some extra kernel modules | 04:05 |
| lucent | looking for some usb-to-serial module | 04:06 |
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| lucent | finally! USB male/female charging adapter http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47088 | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm... | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you think that does? | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - why isn't it a 20cm normal cable | 04:49 |
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| ShadowJK | this looks like a shorter version of the cable that came with n900 | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | er | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - right | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I missed the charger/data switch | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It looks like it pretends to be a dumb charger to the device, though plugged into a host | 04:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | whatcha need that for? if you ignore the connection type the n900 reverts to charge only | 04:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 04:52 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe connecting to dumb chargers that don't signal that they're chargers | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not quite true. | 04:52 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what I want is a plug for the mains into which I can plug the n900 data/charger cable | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | If you connect it to a loaded hub, then the above device will let you overload the hub. | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 won't. | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: any 'USB charger' | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I'm liking my amazon kindle plug | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I forget - are you in the UK? | 04:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I thought the n900 came with a "magic" cherger | 04:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: thai | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Kindle-United-Kingdom-Adapter/dp/B002Y27P6E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294628027&sr=8-2 | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | no it's not magic | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: nope | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: it's a standard - admittedly a newish (2 years?) standard. | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The above is regrettably expensive. | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | The new HTC and ZTE devices with microusb charging can charge from the nokia charge and other way around :) | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Tehre are much cheaper ones that look identical which come with reviews of them exploding. | 04:55 |
| jpinx-eeepc | cool -- I can buy a simple mains-plug/usb-socket thingy then ;) | 04:55 |
| ShadowJK | there was a ton of crap made before the standardization though ;/ | 04:55 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am just trying to cut down on the amount of crud I have to carry with the n900 | 04:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | spare battery, charger, data cable, earphones...... | 04:56 |
| lucent | I have the belken micro 12vdc automobile plug charger, it's very dumb | 04:57 |
| lucent | does not cross data lines, so N900 does not charge | 04:57 |
| lucent | right now I've hacked up a USB-A male to microUSB male cord with data lines crossed | 04:57 |
| lucent | it's nice but doesn't let me use that cable for data, so yeah | 04:57 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pity nokia didn't supply a simple USB/mains charger instead of the cable attached one | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: why not open, and bridge the charger? | 04:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: yeah - I borked my n900 charger | 04:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I was gonna say -opening the charger must be easier ;) | 04:58 |
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| lucent | SpeedEvil: that's a great idea, but I think, what if I am somewhere with friends and want to use their charger, and it is dumb? | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: The end got wet, and went green. | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: fair enough. | 04:58 |
| * SpeedEvil uses a script. | 04:58 | |
| * jpinx-eeepc contemplates opening the nokia charger aand gluing in a USB socket ;) | 04:59 | |
| * SpeedEvil wants to make a nice portable charger, but can't. | 04:59 | |
| lucent | I think other phone users have this same problem, I can be the answer-man in a crisis now :) | 04:59 |
| lucent | notably I think Blackberry phones were refusing to charge unless data lines are crossed | 04:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Something n900ish shaped - you unfold two arms from the long edges, and it hinges out to form a A | 04:59 |
| lucent | SpeedEvil: oh? | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | you place this on the floor, and then step on it 100-200 times vigourously. | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You then close it up, and use it to charge your phone. | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, the mechanical aspects of this are tricky. | 05:00 |
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| lucent | it took me a moment to realize you're not talking about destruction via boot stomp | 05:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: you can get recharge solutions that use rechargeable AA batteries | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: yeah - I know. | 05:00 |
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| lucent | jpinx-eeepc: speaking of, do you use any? I may be looking for one | 05:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | 2 x AA give about half a charge to the n900 | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I mean something that can generate 5Wh or so of power in a few minutes of effort. | 05:01 |
| * ShadowJK uses a tekkeon mp1550 occasionally (2x or 4x AA) | 05:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: In a compact container that is reusable arbitrarily. | 05:01 |
| lucent | finding a 13.8vdc input and 5vdc usb output -without- the car adapter is tricky | 05:01 |
| * jpinx-eeepc would contemplate a sloar charger | 05:01 | |
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| jpinx-eeepc | *solar --- even.. | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Solar chargers don't work well in some places. | 05:02 |
| lucent | I've got a solar rig here, right | 05:02 |
| * SpeedEvil is in a scottish winter. | 05:02 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | 12 hrs sunshine here without fail ;) | 05:02 |
| lucent | automobile plugs "cigarette lighter" are so unreliable, I want to switch over to powerpole andersen connectors | 05:02 |
| ShadowJK | I opened up a car adapter to add nicer connector | 05:02 |
| lucent | ShadowJK: interesting, how'd that go? | 05:03 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | most of the trouble with carchargers is in the wobble factor -- they make the plugs too long | 05:03 |
| ShadowJK | it was just a little circuit board inside, lots of plastic, a fuse and spring | 05:03 |
| ShadowJK | a wire soldered onto spring and another soldered onto the side terminal (only on one side) | 05:04 |
| * jpinx-eeepc has a toshiba laptop carcharger 12v in - 15 volt out ;) | 05:04 | |
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| lucent | wonder how it's going with the host mode USB too, if we are able to charge and do host mode at the same time | 05:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | there is host usb mode ? | 05:07 |
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| lucent | yes, in fact I've used it successfully | 05:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: I'd love to use the mobile internet on the laptop... | 05:07 |
| lucent | oh, but that is already possible without host mode, no? | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | charge and host mode is quite seperate | 05:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: no | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | there are no constraints between the two | 05:08 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think your laptop can act as gadget anyway? | 05:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have PCMode working well, vnc to control the n900 from the eeepc and I can use the eeepc internet fort he n900., but I can not use the n900 mobile internet connection in the eeepc | 05:09 |
| lucent | jpinx-eeepc: please explain in more detail, do you want to use the N900 internet access from your laptop? | 05:10 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: yes | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | yeah that's not related to usb host mode | 05:10 |
| nox-- | sounds like you want mobilehotspot | 05:10 |
| nox-- | bbl | 05:10 |
| lucent | I think this is already possible, and configuration is *very* dependent on the OS used from your laptop | 05:10 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what's mobilehotspot ? | 05:11 |
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| ShadowJK | When I plug in my N900 normally I pick pc suite mode, N900 presents a serial port to the OS, and I can do regular hayes at and PPP to "dial up" gprs | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: plug n900 into eeepc, connect it as a regular 3G modem | 05:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: eeepc running debian stable | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 'just works' | 05:11 |
| ShadowJK | yeah what SpeedEvil says | 05:11 |
| lucent | mobilehotspot are settings to make N900 offer its internet connection over Ad-Hoc wifi.... not very good, but it does work if you need it | 05:11 |
| nox-- | jpinx-eeepc, its in the repo (uses kernel-power i think, and turns the device into an ap routed over 3g) | 05:11 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | nox--: gotcha ;) | 05:12 |
| lucent | not true, no AP support | 05:12 |
| nox-- | oh | 05:12 |
| lucent | just to clarify, it's Ad-Hoc and not AP | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | But practically - you need to plug in power if you're using it as a hotspot | 05:12 |
| nox-- | what is it, adhoc? | 05:12 |
| nox-- | ok | 05:12 |
| lucent | I really wish it were AP :) | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And if you need to do that, you may as well use USB and not bother | 05:12 |
| nox-- | heh | 05:13 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 05:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: if I use the usb connection the n900 is charging, can I use the n900 as a gprs modem | 05:13 |
| ShadowJK | select pc suite mode when it asks, charging continues anyway | 05:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: yes | 05:13 |
| ShadowJK | and yes | 05:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | that all works now, but I can not see any way to get the n900 to act as a modem | 05:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | how would you normally setup a 3G modem dongle? | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Do that | 05:14 |
| * lucent agrees | 05:14 | |
| * jpinx-eeepc has never done that | 05:14 | |
| lucent | should work | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | it acts as modem in pc suite mode | 05:14 |
| nox-- | oh not as a usb network device? | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | no | 05:15 |
| lucent | aside, USA people if you want host mode, I bought my adapter $5usd shipped from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BSN4UY | 05:15 |
| lucent | works perfect | 05:15 |
| nox-- | ah so usb has three modes... | 05:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I use it a a networking device for the eeepc connetion and vnc, etc | 05:15 |
| nox-- | or four if you count flashing :) | 05:16 |
| nox-- | anyway im off | 05:16 |
| jpinx-eeepc | me wonders how to use a USB modem from an eeepc running debian stable | 05:16 |
| * jpinx-eeepc | 05:17 | |
| nox-- | i never tested this but maybe it helps? http://www.sakis3g.org/ | 05:17 |
| jpinx-eeepc | nox--: my n900 connects by gprs - not 3g | 05:18 |
| nox-- | hmm, guess you could still try it... | 05:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | looking ;) | 05:18 |
| nox-- | the majority of at commands are probably the same | 05:19 |
| lucent | jpinx-eeepc: find other eeepc users who connect gprs, take their advice - I think | 05:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: ;) | 05:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's on tomorrows list then - I'll report back ;) | 05:21 |
| nox-- | i guess debian stable users is more important, usb is usb... | 05:21 |
| lucent | I've used "PC connectivity" mode on my N900 and connected to it as a modem from an Ubuntu computer, the trick for Ubuntu is using Network Manager connection wizard | 05:21 |
| lucent | there's a few steps and one of them is to set which carrier I use, this changes the modem init strings sent to the N900-as-a-modem | 05:22 |
| lucent | without Network Manager, I don't know what to suggest because I'm not an eeepc user | 05:23 |
| nox-- | why is the eepc important, isnt it more debian stable vs ubuntu? | 05:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lucent: I have wicd network manager, but it is only showing the wifi and the ethernet connections, no USB.. | 05:24 |
| nox-- | s/the eepc/the fact that its an eepc/ | 05:24 |
| infobot | nox-- meant: why is the fact that its an eepc important, isnt it more debian stable vs ubuntu? | 05:24 |
| lucent | the communities are different, and I think you'll have the best self-help by searching eeepc community for advice | 05:24 |
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| nox-- | heh ok | 05:24 |
| lucent | Ubuntu community will tell you where to shove that cute little computer, right? they're so bad | 05:25 |
| nox-- | hahaha | 05:25 |
| lucent | loud and obnoxious sometimes makes me think Ubuntu community is feral | 05:25 |
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| lucent | any Python junkies? I wonder how to wait until 5 minutes has elapsed in a maemo friendly Python script | 05:33 |
| FauxFaux | Does it not have an obvious sleep function..? | 05:33 |
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| lucent | well it's not doing anything else while sleep is active, so I want to store the date time and keep checking until 5 minutes plus that initial value has elapsed | 05:34 |
| lucent | taking that GPS example above I want to keep trying for 5 minutes to get a fix then spit out the lat / lon co-ordinates to console and quit | 05:34 |
| FauxFaux | Oh. In that case, does it not have an easy unix timestamp function? | 05:35 |
| lucent | should be obvious to find, but I'm seeing examples only for parsing existing dates | 05:36 |
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| lucent | unless... "datetime.now()" | 05:36 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I am installing amsn and it asks for TLS. The options for downloading/installing the module include Linux SPARC. Is that the right one, ćos it's not working after installing and setting the path. | 07:09 |
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| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, you have tls installed, amsn is just looking in the wrong path | 07:19 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, it's hardcoded to /usr while the modules are in /opt | 07:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: Hmm - I set the path in amsn to /opt/tls/lib | 07:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, interesting | 07:20 |
| MohammadAG | brb, upgrading nvidia crap | 07:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | k | 07:21 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: fwiw when I checked there is no /opt/tls/* :( it's /opt/tcltls/* But even on setting that and restarting amsn it's not firing up | 07:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | there are modules in /opt/tcltls/lib, but I have nfc if they are the right ones | 07:35 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | libtls.so.0 libtls1.50.so tls1.50 | 07:37 |
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| Lantizia | I don't suppose there is a way (even a half baked, unfinished, work in progress way) of running symbian apps on maemo? | 08:04 |
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| johnx | Lantizia, no | 08:11 |
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| Lantizia | no symbian emulator perhaps exist whether official or not... compiled for maemo or not? | 08:12 |
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| pupnik | did you google? | 08:20 |
| MohammadAG | the only emulator that exists is for windows | 08:21 |
| MohammadAG | and that's for devs | 08:21 |
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| pupnik | anyone get dosbox with arm dynamic recompiler to build? | 09:18 |
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| noodles900 | MohammadAG: got amsn working :) | 09:52 |
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| MohammadAG | noodles900, how? :) | 09:53 |
| MohammadAG | I need to update the package, and I don't really have the time to look over it | 09:54 |
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| noodles900 | there's a how to in the forum | 09:54 |
| noodles900 | amsn-project.net/download.php | 09:55 |
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| noodles900 | that adds the repo, then you do apt-get update to install the amsn, and apt-get install tcl-tls | 09:57 |
| noodles900 | MohammadAG: that make sense? | 09:57 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 09:57 |
| MohammadAG | that's the old aMSN :/ | 09:57 |
| noodles900 | well it worked ;) | 09:58 |
| MohammadAG | well, that's not my goal as the packager :P | 09:58 |
| noodles900 | I had to tweak some preferences re-frontcam | 09:58 |
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| MohammadAG | video doesn't work afaik | 09:58 |
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| noodles900 | I appreciate that your trying to make a .deb - but I'm afriad I have nfc about that | 09:59 |
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| noodles900 | no - there is no video call - something about msn changinng the sip protocol | 09:59 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: here's the webpage I followed... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67378&page=3 | 10:01 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | sorry -- noodles900 is my n900 ;) | 10:02 |
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| joga | umm...one thing I forgot to backup when I updated...I had created a shortcut to start osso-xterm so that I can have many of them in separate windows (and running bash). someone remembers how it was supposed to be done so that it doesn't just hang and close if you already have one open? | 10:38 |
| joga | I made a shortcut to "osso-xterm -e 'bash -l'" but that wasn't enough | 10:39 |
| joga | I think I was supposed to run that a bit differently.. | 10:39 |
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| joga | well... osso-xterm "osso-xterm 'bash -l'" seems to work :) | 11:01 |
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| joga | though acts a bit funny, sometimes the window seems to appear, then disappear and then appear | 11:02 |
| joga | I probably had something different before | 11:02 |
| lcuk | joga, thats normal for humans, its caused by blinking. | 11:03 |
| joga | no this is not that, it goes to task switcher and shows a windows disappearing, then appearing again | 11:03 |
| joga | *a window | 11:03 |
| joga | like it starts, kills itself and then becomes visible | 11:03 |
| joga | but the command line is a bit convoluted, in a way :) | 11:04 |
| lcuk | does it work when you do it manually | 11:04 |
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| joga | if I simply run "osso-xterm bash -l" in a terminal, it works properly every time, it simply gives me a new window with no glimpse of task switcher at any point | 11:05 |
| joga | if I put that into a shortcut, it won't start more than one window | 11:06 |
| joga | if I prepend it with osso-xterm, then I get the funny though harmless behaviour | 11:06 |
| joga | I had this setup before I updated but forgot how it was :) | 11:07 |
| joga | (stuff like this was the reason I didn't update before) | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | joga: The vim package has a shortcut which launches a new osso-xterm with a particular process & title. | 11:16 |
| joga | ok, I'll check that, have it installed.. | 11:16 |
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| joga | k...it says /usr/bin/vim.launch --xterm ... hmm | 11:16 |
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| joga | sounds familiar for some reason, maybe because I also made a special shortcut for vim | 11:17 |
| joga | :) | 11:17 |
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| Jaffa | joga: vim.launch is a shell script | 11:17 |
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| joga | yeah, and it seems it just runs osso-xterm "$0" "$@" | 11:18 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> jo ga, thats normal for humans, its caused by blinking. LMFAO | 11:18 |
| joga | if --xterm is defined | 11:18 |
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| joga | I wonder if I had some script too..hmm | 11:18 |
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| joga | nah...well, I try something | 11:19 |
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| joga | ok, making the shortcut execute sh -c "osso-xterm bash -l" works | 11:23 |
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| pupnik | joga: does it open a 2nd terminal if one is already open? | 11:26 |
| joga | pupnik, yes, as many as you want | 11:26 |
| joga | (which is what I want) | 11:27 |
| pupnik | i had a hack to do that from xterm icon | 11:27 |
| pupnik | instead of re-opening the existing terminal | 11:27 |
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| joga | the primary reason I want this is that last time I checked, changing default shell was a bricking operation, so I just make the shortcut give me bash | 11:27 |
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| joga | I just leave the default terminal shortcut be and made a new one called "bash terminal" | 11:28 |
| joga | :) | 11:28 |
| joga | so I guess the keyboard shortcut will give me the normal one, but I don't use the shortcut anyway | 11:28 |
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| joga | it's so awkward to press | 11:28 |
| joga | hmm! | 11:29 |
| joga | actually, now it doesn't seem to work anymore o_o | 11:29 |
| lolloo | what is? | 11:29 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 11:29 |
| joga | ctrl-shift-x | 11:29 |
| MohammadAG | how the hell do I turn off the screen | 11:29 |
| MohammadAG | (without mce) | 11:29 |
| lolloo | ah | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: you're greedy | 11:30 |
| lolloo | ise SHORTCUTD app | 11:30 |
| joga | or, uh...now it works again...weird...need to examine a bit | 11:30 |
| lolloo | and put the shortcut any hardware bytton you want | 11:30 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I know, now how do I do that :P | 11:30 |
| joga | lolloo I have other uses for the hardware buttons | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | heh. i don't know =b | 11:30 |
| lolloo | use half press camera button for it | 11:31 |
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| lolloo | I use halfpress camera button to convert to polrtrait mode | 11:31 |
| lolloo | for any app I want! | 11:31 |
| joga | ok weird...it seems that if I don't have any terminals open the following will happen: first terminal starts up okay, the second doesn't and just kinda hangs there for a few seconds trying to start it, but after that it works fine again | 11:31 |
| joga | I wish I remembered how I had it set up before! :) | 11:32 |
| flux | joga, do you have incoming ssh connections? | 11:32 |
| joga | flux, no | 11:32 |
| joga | how would that affect starting xterm? | 11:32 |
| MohammadAG | echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-004a/twl4030_keypad/disable_kp disables the keyboard | 11:32 |
| flux | each one session eats one virtual tty | 11:32 |
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| flux | and there are four of them available | 11:33 |
| joga | ehh? | 11:33 |
| joga | why is there a limit of *four* in virtual ttys | 11:33 |
| flux | no idea | 11:33 |
| joga | and I just had like 8 terminals open | 11:33 |
| MohammadAG | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts disables the touchscreen, but it's still on | 11:33 |
| flux | really? | 11:33 |
| flux | joga, do you have the standard kernel? | 11:33 |
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| joga | no, powerkernel, but I had this thing work before that, I'm pretty sure | 11:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | Flux: does -anyone- really use stock kernel, these days? Even if you aren't OCing, it's so full of features... | 11:34 |
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| joga | now I have 16 terminals open | 11:34 |
| flux | robbiethe1st, well, my gf uses.. | 11:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | Upgrade her! | 11:34 |
| lolloo | N900? | 11:34 |
| lolloo | omg | 11:35 |
| MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, custom kernel for me :P | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | :P - True. But heck, that's probably closer to power kernel than stock, right? | 11:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity - Does your custom kernel give you any better performance? What did you tweak? | 11:36 |
| lolloo | hardware_sync | 11:37 |
| lolloo | use the GPU | 11:37 |
| lolloo | for graphics accel | 11:37 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Which is in what kernel, lolloo? | 11:38 |
| lolloo | 46 | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh. That explains why things seemed faster... | 11:38 |
| lolloo | made my screen faster and chagning between apps alot faster, | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | <u>Yea.</u> | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, nothing, just added a shitload of modules :P | 11:39 |
| lolloo | because its set to disbale not to use gpu by default | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | what is it exactly | 11:39 |
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| lolloo | Hildon acceleration: this mod modify the file /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini, setting the value to 1 and activating the hardware synchronization . | 11:43 |
| lolloo | it's set to 0 by default. and now switiching between apps is much smoother! | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | uh | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | it always uses the GPU... | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | that's something else | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | and that's not vsync, if that's what you're thinking | 11:44 |
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| lolloo | why is it now less jerky? | 11:45 |
| lolloo | and super fluid | 11:45 |
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| MohammadAG | enable blurs, you're think otherwise | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | you'll* | 11:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm gonna try that when I get my replacement screen... | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's not vsync | 11:45 |
| lolloo | I thought the GPU started kicking. | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | nope, it's just giving each frame the time it needs | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | instead of having all frames using the same amount of time | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | or something like that | 11:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's a good idea. | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | it makes my desktop crash a lot, so I disabled it | 11:46 |
| lolloo | aha | 11:46 |
| lolloo | day 1 still no crash. | 11:46 |
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| lolloo | awesome info btw. | 11:47 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro said it's the iPhone way of doing transitions | 11:49 |
| joga | I just used transitioncontrol to put all transitions to "1" | 11:50 |
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| joga | I don't care to see animations of things I want to happen *now* | 11:51 |
| lolloo | how do I re-arrange my desktop Icons by name on N900? | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG | you know, you could edit hildon-desktop to disable transitions all in all | 11:51 |
| joga | I keep it in rotation | 11:52 |
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| joga | (not sure why...I hardly ever use the feature anyway= | 11:52 |
| lolloo | how can I do it ? | 11:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | lolloo: i don't think you can | 11:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | lolloo: the only tool i know relating to the desktop thing is Tweakr | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and that merely lets you control spacing | 11:57 |
| lolloo | oops! strange. it was arranging it automatically before I arranged it by hand!! | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | when you add something, it automatically finds the next free spot | 11:58 |
| MohammadAG | he can | 11:58 |
| MohammadAG | he needs to edit major parts of hildon-desktop's code | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:58 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | well, yeah, i guess since it's open source... | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | touche | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lolloo: write out the list of things you want in the order you want, remove everything, add them back in the order you want :) | 11:58 |
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| MohammadAG | was it hard to add layouts to the Nokia mediaplayer and make it portrait? :P | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | (it'll be faster than MohammadAG 's proposal) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: getting anything changed if it involves a frozen UI spec is hard by definition :) | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I meant before M5 actually hit the public | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ui specs froze *long* before it became public :) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: oh cute | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | that's your solution to the problem | 12:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | as you're well aware, the media player wallpaper is landscape and doesn't support portrait | 12:00 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, so that's why they disabled it | 12:01 |
| * MohammadAG headbangs | 12:01 | |
| MohammadAG | was it hard to do a similar approach to mine? | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i haven't checked (and don't plan to) | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | but offhand .. it's probably among the reasons | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, your thing feels wrong in portrait | 12:01 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out why | 12:02 | |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: your media player in portrait has the selection track the finger | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | err, what? | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | in Select contact (phone, portrait), if you tap on an item and drag your finger north, the selection is lost (intentionally) | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas in yours, if i tap on Shuffle and drag north to Songs, the selection follows my finger | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | file a bug against Qt | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, that's also Qt | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | please file? | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | I hate their bugtracker :P | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | you think I like it? | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | file it in bugs.maemo.org instead | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | get someone else to move it :) | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc they have a Qt component | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | which means they're totally fair game | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: this is how downstreams work! | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | user reports bug to app vendor | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | app vendor reports bug to distro | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | distro reports bug to component author | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 12:06 |
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| MohammadAG | did you check the last nightly? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | do you support autoupdate? :) | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | hehe | 12:06 |
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| MohammadAG | if [ -f mediaplayer ]; then rm -f mediaplayer; fi; wget http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer; chmod +x mediaplayer; ./mediaplayer | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | there's auto update for ya | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, can you get about to include the build date? | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise i'm going to file bugs based on a random undated build :( | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | that'd be interesting | 12:08 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how | 12:08 | |
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| timeless_mbp | gecko's build system more or less causes DATE to be stringified as a -D define | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | found it | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, shouldn't __DATE__ and __TIME__ handle it? | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can use that | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | because the format for that isn't quite how we want a format | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | can anyone spot the bug in http://notabug.com/2002/coherent/man/_5F5Fdate.html ? | 12:23 |
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| * crashanddie just discovered that a few years ago, some dev created the "name" table in one of our databases as a "blob" | 12:32 | |
| crashanddie | so that he could store UTF-16 for "weird characters" in it. | 12:32 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: there is a missing string terminator. | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis++ | 12:32 |
| nomis | two actually :) | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | well, only one per compile time :) | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least it's consistent... | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | and missing a \n as well... What's the point of that 0 though? | 12:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | crashanddie: utf-8 encoding is right? | 12:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | i.e. encode it before sticking it in the db..? | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: my guess is that 0 is " unshifted on some keyboard | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure which keyboard that is | 12:34 |
| crashanddie | Also, what's with: "ANSI C? ANSI C? Yes(%d)" | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: don't trust everything you read on the internet :) | 12:35 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, update binary to include build date and time | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | updated* | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it's still copying, so don't try to download it | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | bonus points for a button to download a newer version in the about dialog ;-) | 12:50 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, now you're pushing it lol | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: browsers and most mac apps pre app store did that :) | 12:52 |
| lardman | morning | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, this isn't even the final about box :p | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sure sure, but; it's the only one you've got =b | 12:52 |
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| * MohammadAG ponders finalizing the about dialog | 12:56 | |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, microB lacks an about dialog | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, I'm off to the brits' council | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: apps included in the system are not allowed to have them | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | we have about: as a web page | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | which is a sneaky thing to work around system policy :) | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | (you're supposed to visit settings>about for "information about system apps") | 12:57 |
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| MohammadAG | wow | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | never knew about about: | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | funny that Symbian^3 has an about in the music player | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | I guess they changed the policy | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 12:58 |
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| chem|st | nomis: I wont install any of this hildon-desktop python crap ever again, give a shout when there is a proper build pls | 13:32 |
| yacc | chem|st, ? | 13:33 |
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| chem|st | yacc: it was/is/will cause trouble as a single "widget" can make it eat up your ram no matter how good your widget is programmed | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | yacc: actualy it made hildon-desktop go mad and I had a hard time on that topic | 13:38 |
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| nomis | chem|st: yeah, that python plugin stuff seems dodgy. | 13:53 |
| nomis | chem|st: I was looking around for a non-scratchbox based toolchain, but I guess I have to resort to on-device compilation. | 13:54 |
| nomis | (or I bite the bullet and install scratchbox... again... | 13:55 |
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| eichi | hello, is there a howto for full encryption of / on n900? | 14:14 |
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| obscurant1st | I have heard like we can install andoid on to iphone and things like that. So is there anyway I could install maemo in my nokia c7? if its not possible may i know why? | 14:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | no. | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Because maemo has binary bits from nokia that are not able to / licenced to run on other platforms | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - the C7 isn't documented enough to run any community effort at some similar OS. | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - as I understandit,it's got less RAM. | 14:19 |
| obscurant1st | oh. :( its not documented.SO i think, any flavour of linux in nokia is not going to happen | 14:20 |
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| pupnik | nokia has several linux devices | 14:22 |
| pupnik | what's the resolution on the c7 | 14:22 |
| obscurant1st | 360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches | 14:23 |
| obscurant1st | yeah i was hpoing to buy n900 but it has resistive touch which i dont like | 14:25 |
| kerio | i find it quite nice | 14:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 14:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's -very- nice. Super accurate. | 14:25 |
| obscurant1st | what? resistive touch? | 14:25 |
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| obscurant1st | i hvnt tried the resistive touch in n900. Can somebody compare the touch of n900 with something like 5320 or 5800 etc? | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | obscurant1st: The N900's touch isn't like any other resistive touch I've ever used. | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | obscurant1st: I used a 5800 at Nokia World when they were released. Prefer the N900, TBH | 14:27 |
| alterego | The N900s touchscreen is pretty good. :) | 14:27 |
| obscurant1st | Jaffa: oh, is it that good? then i think i will have to try that one. I hated 5800 touch. | 14:27 |
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| alterego | obscurant1st: the 5800 had a rubbish UX though, probably not entirely the hardwares fault. | 14:28 |
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| obscurant1st_ | ok. thanks guys. I will give it a try. | 14:30 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone knows why diablo kernel has modified code for omap2430? | 14:35 |
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| slonopotamus | i mean, modified compared to vanilla | 14:36 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: they weren't as into upstreaming back then? :d | 14:38 |
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| slonopotamus | alterego: dunno. i don't know what commit diablo kernel forked from so used v2.6.21-omap1, applied diablo sources on top and now rebasing that monster on top of v2.6.22-omap1. almost done, not resolved mmc code yet and that strange stuff with 2430 | 14:40 |
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| lolloo | ~bot snack | 14:50 |
| infobot | lolloo: :) | 14:50 |
| lolloo | maemo notify on xchat is good | 14:51 |
| lolloo | but the led doesnt flash! | 14:51 |
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| lolloo | maemo notify is plugin for xchat on N900 if anyone doesnt know | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | anyone know where theres an n810 disassembly guide | 14:57 |
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| Mr_Rixa | Hi | 15:06 |
| Mr_Rixa | Anyone have any idea how the fm rds notify widgets, setup sliders work.. | 15:07 |
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| lolloo | what is that? | 15:08 |
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| alterego | Mr_Rixa: look at the source? | 15:12 |
| Mr_Rixa | alterego: well, that's a great idea.. should sleep more so brain could function properly | 15:13 |
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| orangey | hello all! | 15:55 |
| orangey | I used to use scheduleworld via syncevolution.. Now that it's down, I'm a bit lost. Any other suggestions? | 15:56 |
| pupnik | keep your private data private? | 15:58 |
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| cos^ | orangey: google calendar using erminig seems to work sometimes | 16:01 |
| cos^ | last time in december | 16:02 |
| cos^ | ..calendar syncing using n900=fail, unless you have exhange server | 16:02 |
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| nidO | erminig + google calendar has worked flawlessly for me for months | 16:04 |
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| orangey | pupnik: of course if I had my own server, it wouldn't have gone down leaving me in disarray | 16:08 |
| orangey | pupnik: so I am open to hosting my own, being lucky enough to actually colo a server, even though it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that others have the same option | 16:08 |
| orangey | cos^: I am saddened to think that's the last option left | 16:08 |
| cos^ | nidO: mine synced last time 6.12, and now it complains about wrong username/password pair. and crashes if i try to edit them. | 16:09 |
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| orangey | nidO: erminig? | 16:10 |
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| nidO | odd, mine last synced about 10 mins ago and worked fine as always. tried a reinstall? | 16:11 |
| phellarv | cos^: apt-get --purge remove erminig | 16:11 |
| nidO | orangey, its a program that adds google calendar syncing support | 16:11 |
| orangey | nidO: Oh, sorry. I thought after saying that yours has been flawless, you said it last updated 6.12, but I misread that.. it was cos who did | 16:12 |
| orangey | *sigh* Google finally gets me. | 16:12 |
| orangey | I knew it would eventually happen | 16:12 |
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| pupnik | orangey: we are talking about things that were once kept in tiny little notebooks in pieces of paper, or in brains | 16:15 |
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| * MohammadAG ponders getting an android | 16:16 | |
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| MohammadAG | they suck, but I need an upgrade :/ | 16:16 |
| cos^ | i'll try purging and reinstalling | 16:17 |
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| frals | nice surprise when n900 drains in 5hrs | 16:17 |
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| frals | after 4½hrs i checked top and saw tracker being helpful and kept my pocket warm :[ | 16:18 |
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| nidO | even nicer suprise when mine suddenly decides it's capable of running over a week idle \o/ | 16:18 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: what kind of Android? | 16:19 |
| frals | thought it was the shitty signal on train between helsinki and tampere when heading out but didnt make sense it drained so much while stationary... maybe time to kill tracker once and for all on my phone | 16:19 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, idk, I just need a new device | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | a new N900 would do fine, but I'd wait for the successor | 16:20 |
| lardman | I have the same feeling, but I can't see anything that does everything I want | 16:20 |
| nidO | tbh, if the supposed leaked x7 specs are even halfway true i'd be sorely tempted to get one | 16:20 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: your N900 broken? | 16:20 |
| frals | nidO: link? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | no, but seems to be breaking down | 16:21 |
| nidO | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/01/08/rumours-nokia-n9-being-announced-at-mwc-in-6-weeks-time-more-n9x7-gossip/ | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | lots of SGX recovery lines in terminal | 16:21 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: oh, not so good | 16:21 |
| cos^ | great, i got it working. purging didn't help, but it didn't crash when i selected the account before clicking edit account | 16:21 |
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| cos^ | also google had changed my username from xxx@google.com to xxx@gmail.com | 16:21 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: if there were a Cortex with hw kb, ~4" screen + compass/gps/accelerometers I'd buy one | 16:22 |
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| lardman | even the 7" tablets don't usually do e-compass + camera, so not interested there either; other than the rather pricey samsung galaxy tab | 16:23 |
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| nidO | imo the main huge flaw with 7" tablets is that theyre 7" | 16:23 |
| lardman | yeah, but for a different use-case, not as a phone | 16:23 |
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| nidO | well thats also my point. theyre far too giant to be phones, and too small and fiddly to be halfway decent tablets | 16:24 |
| lardman | Dell Streak @ 5" is too small to not have a kb I think | 16:24 |
| nidO | 10" is a much better tablet size imo | 16:24 |
| lardman | too big | 16:24 |
| lardman | I've got a laptop in that case | 16:24 |
| orangey | Is meego usable? | 16:25 |
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| orangey | (on an n900) | 16:25 |
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| nidO | define usable | 16:25 |
| lardman | orangey: not quite | 16:25 |
| nidO | it runs, it isnt a replacement for maemo | 16:25 |
| orangey | nido: can make sip calls and receive SMS | 16:25 |
| * Arkenoi won't by any symbian device even if it is fuel cells ethanol powered, has builtin 100Lm full HD pico projector and runs dual core 2GHz | 16:25 | |
| orangey | i'm hit by some SIP bug on my n900 that makes it essentially useless as a phone to me (I dont' use cellular) | 16:26 |
| lardman | well Symbian devices are hard to use with another OS too, no flashing Meego for example | 16:26 |
| lardman | orangey: bug #? | 16:26 |
| orangey | lardman: I can look it up if you really want, but it's my impression that it's fast entering the 'wontfix' category | 16:27 |
| lardman | yeah probably, no work around available? | 16:27 |
| * Arkenoi makes (and receives) about 80% of voice calls via SIP | 16:27 | |
| * lardman has made one | 16:28 | |
| orangey | lardman: don't use wifi | 16:28 |
| lardman | oh, well I'm not the man to talk to, I've used it once successfully with wifi and never bothered again | 16:28 |
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| lardman | afaicr | 16:28 |
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| Arkenoi | my cellular network operator provides SIP interface to the switch, so i can forget about roaming charges, just routing my calls to voip | 16:30 |
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| orangey | Arkenoi: wow. sounds progressive. what's the operator? | 16:30 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: Desire-Z with larger screen, faster processor, Coretex A8 rather than Snapdragon, would do me fine as a Meego device | 16:30 |
| Arkenoi | orangey, Megafon, Russia | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo's for developers atm | 16:31 |
| orangey | actually, I see another attempt to fix the problem in another bug report.. i'll try that out | 16:31 |
| Arkenoi | nid0, wimax on n9? i smell BS | 16:33 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: that's what I want to do though, fiddling with kernel drivers, am getting bored of all this GUI rubbish ;) | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | those who don't complain about the slowness of it | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, good luck, you're gonna need lots of it | 16:35 |
| lardman | hmm, we'll see | 16:36 |
| lardman | no hw though, so nothing to do | 16:36 |
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| lardman | Now that I'm not using an N900 as a day-to-day phone, I feel more inclined to work on the low level Meego stuff, or at least try to help out | 16:42 |
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| lardman | otherwise, if you're trying to use the phone day-to-day, it's not really doable | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG | haven't yet figured out how to compile the kernel | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | a bit messy, haven't tried the latest one | 16:43 |
| lardman | I'd be inclinded to wait for the hardfp stuff to all go through then start from there | 16:44 |
| * pahartik would like to know whether current "kernel-power 2.6.28-maemo42" is configured with "CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y" | 16:44 | |
| orangey | what about contact syncing? What do folks use for that? Has anybody gotten ubuntu one working? | 16:44 |
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| lardman | orangey: I just backup to the PC with Ovi | 16:45 |
| orangey | what kind of PC? | 16:45 |
| lardman | Windows box | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH - http://mynokiablog.com/2011/01/08/rumours-nokia-n9-being-announced-at-mwc-in-6-weeks-time-more-n9x7-gossip/ what a pile of noise and nonsense. It needs just typos like hspda (instead of HSDPA), logical nonsense like "hspa:foo, hspda:bar" (instead of proper HSDPA and HSUPA numbers), an odd RAM of 350MB (what a collection of 2^n is THAT?), and mentioning snapdragon CPU - I know what to think of that | 16:46 |
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| lardman | it looks like a ruse to get people going to that chap's blog | 16:46 |
| orangey | lardman: I don't think I can do another nokia phone rumour cycle | 16:47 |
| orangey | after being thoroughly happy with my n810 and getting an n900, I'm honestly not sure what happens next | 16:47 |
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| * lcuk waits for Nokia 007 model | 16:47 | |
| lardman | I'd prefer we didn't get to this state of endless waiting | 16:47 |
| orangey | I'm *loathe* to go android, and iphone is obviously off the table | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | orangey, thankfully, both those options will end up in meegos favour one day | 16:48 |
| lardman | I would be happy with an updated N810 actually, not too keen on small screen sizes on phones and thinking that a tablet+phone combo might be the best bet | 16:48 |
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| GAN900 | orangey, sucks, doesn't it? | 16:48 |
| orangey | lcuk: what do you mean? | 16:48 |
| lardman | hey GAN900 | 16:48 |
| lcuk | the number of devices I am seeing meego emerging on it shouldnt be long before you can run it anywhere | 16:48 |
| orangey | GAN900: frustrating, really. | 16:48 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:48 |
| GAN900 | I can't believe how incompetently Nokia has treated the market all of these years. | 16:49 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, and it mentions wimax, though it is well known that nokia dumped it | 16:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: so long as someone wants to port it | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | orangey, just gotta distance yourself and laugh a bit. | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise it makes you a bit crazy. | 16:49 |
| orangey | lcuk: are there any meego phones coming? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, reverting to my n810 this weekend has been a pleasant surprise :) | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, run what, shit? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, sure thing | 16:49 |
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| lardman | lcuk: is there working gpu hw acceleration on the snapdragon for example? | 16:49 |
| orangey | GAN900: right you are | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | Only usable stuff is gonna come from people bundling MeeGo. | 16:49 |
| lardman | I think there's kernel drivers, but I don't fancy writing an opengl implementation | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | and that's all going to be TPM-locked. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: if I were interested in phones without hw-kbd I'd probably had bought an iPhone years ago, rather than daddling on my N810 and waiting for successor / pondering how to retrofit a UMTS module to N810 | 16:50 |
| lcuk | lardman, who says meego will always need 3d? | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, people writing the specs. | 16:50 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: Is the retrofit in the realm of possibility? I'd take n810 + some kind of cell module | 16:50 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:50 |
| lardman | lcuk: if the hw has 3D I'd like to be able to use it, and realistically it will always need 3D | 16:50 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I had to order a new screwdrivers set | 16:51 |
| lcuk | cos one of my n810s is borkened | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | orangey: I thinks somebody even did it | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Who, notably, are all OEMs and silicon manufacturers. | 16:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, sure thing | 16:51 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: really? link? | 16:51 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: with no hw kb I'd go for one of the HTC 4"+ phones | 16:51 |
| lcuk | orangey, hold on its certainly been done | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, couldy piece of memory | 16:51 |
| lcuk | n810 cell conversion is a work of love | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cloudy* | 16:51 |
| lcuk | the pics are droolworthy | 16:51 |
| orangey | lcuk: I'd do it. | 16:52 |
| orangey | lcuk: I LOVE my n810 | 16:52 |
| orangey | the only thing it was missing was the ability to SMS | 16:52 |
| lardman | I imagine someone will come out with something like the Desire-Z but with a larger screen eventually | 16:52 |
| lardman | rather than hacking an N810 | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I imagine Nokia needs to announce their crap asap | 16:52 |
| lardman | yes that's certainly true | 16:53 |
| lardman | but... I have this niggling fear that they might actually think it's not good enough now and scrap it, and move on to the next target, dual core or whatever | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | moving target - HAHA | 16:54 |
| lardman | probably makes sense from the consumer perspective, but not for the devs | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | this killed OM | 16:54 |
| orangey | OM? | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hardware is already way dated at this point. | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | openmoko | 16:54 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: what, that they didn't release because they were caught up with moving targets? | 16:55 |
| lardman | GAN900: in which case they should just release it as a developer sop and move on to the next hw incarnation without leaving us all hanging | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, at least partially that's been a reason | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, how dated are we talking? | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | lardman, Nokia is clearly filled to the brim with incompetent people. | 16:55 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, judging both by what was announced at the 2009 Summit and what's shown up in kernel code so far (I don't have any other info), basically a marginally improved N900 | 16:56 |
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| GAN900 | OMAP3630, etc. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, I think there are lots of very competent people, just a very few confused hats | 16:56 |
| GAN900 | Since the N900 was a bit dated by the time IT came out, well. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | Nokia is chasing the previous generation again. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, probably. | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw this as well isn't new | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | orangey, heres the thread where guy is converting his n810 to cell phone | 16:58 |
| lcuk | and specifically where he added SIM slot and wired it up | 16:58 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551420#post551420 | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: \o/ | 16:58 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, toss in the TPM shit, the focus on "consumers" (read: trying to be the iPhone) and other nonsense compounds it, though. | 16:59 |
| lcuk | as I say, its absolutely breathtaking :) | 16:59 |
| eichi | do you use an external gps für n900 is is the internal one good enaught? (need for sport tracking and car navigation) | 16:59 |
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| MohammadAG | wait what | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, I said the same | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | the "N9" or whatever it's being called has TPM? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | oh, not that | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | i know hehe | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | MeeGo has TPM support? | 17:01 |
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| orangey | lcuk *gulp* wow. | 17:02 |
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| orangey | the other huge advantage is that this would allow me to use 3g in my city | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eichi: if you have a SIM registered, the N900 GPS is really good | 17:05 |
| orangey | another HUGE frustration about my n900 is that in most parts of canada, you can't use more than 2.5g | 17:05 |
| flat` | blame canafa | 17:06 |
| flat` | :D | 17:06 |
| Dassu | :D | 17:06 |
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| MohammadAG | i still wonder how the iPhone 2G succeeded | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | i can't use 2G nowadays | 17:06 |
| Ex-Opesa | Guys, I use this dialer.webs.com "Free-Call" VOIP service. I wonder how to get it working @ n900. I think its related to SIP or something. | 17:06 |
| lardman | N900 is also not so great without a working touchscreen ;) | 17:06 |
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| orangey | hmmm. i wonder if it's possible to add one of these telit HSDPA modules to the n900 | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | could somebody proofread ~flashing page please? I did quite a bit of cleanup and tossing in additional hints and stuff | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | was a stinking mess really | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, got an idea for the mediaplayer | 17:10 |
| alterego | Yeah? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | how about we capture volume keys | 17:10 |
| alterego | For what? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | then reimplement volume changing | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | and add hold to do special function | 17:10 |
| alterego | Why? | 17:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, could be neat. | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | brilliant idea | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | hold to skip/back track | 17:10 |
| alterego | Look at Columbus MainWindow for volume key processing :P | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | crossfade | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | fade-in/out | 17:11 |
| alterego | I'd prefer double press etc. | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | autolevel | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I know about that :P | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | double press, hold, whatever | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | qwerty12 did it for his closed app | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | if you read the postinst, he actually breaks the applet so it doesn't capture volume keys | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usability: short single press and hold of either vol+ / - is to be kept for original function | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | then somehow, he reimplemented it | 17:12 |
| * pahartik finds document at "http://repository.maemo.org.ipv6.sixxs.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo42.diff.gz" and figures out that "CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION is not set" | 17:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need to catch doubleclicks and pressing both vol+ and - at once | 17:13 |
| orangey | lcuk: this cell conversion is UNBELIEVABLE! | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | ah, right | 17:13 |
| orangey | lcuk: I can make this happen | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | double click and hold | 17:13 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, well, the security framework is pretty evil. | 17:13 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, much more evil than on the N900. | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | Rumor mill says the platsec folks are super zealous, too. | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, should I expect root access easily? | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, if Nokia doesn't do proper TPM, I'll guarantee other MeeGo OEMs wiil | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo is not about protecting your rights as a consumer. | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | OOOPS N900 vol+/- are mutually exclusive, machanically | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, personally I'd still assume so at this point. | 17:14 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: they said it would be possible to disable platsec stuff, but at the expense of DRM, so I guess that will remain the case | 17:15 |
| derf | No mobile OS gives a damn about the consumer. | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | derf, well, Maemo wasn't too actively evil in that regard. | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | tbh | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | lardman, mutterings claim that that's not quite the case. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I suggest a vol+,vol- means next, a vol-,vol+ means prev | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | I just want N900 with a better CPU and RAM | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | It may be more "complicated" | 17:16 |
| lardman | GAN900: oh right | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | 'Course, as with all mutterings. . . . | 17:16 |
| derf | GAN900: Right. It's the only one. | 17:16 |
| derf | And it's dead. | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, and slightly better build quality. | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, we'll see about it | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | derf, indeed. | 17:16 |
| lardman | then again the platform security stuff is complicated to get right and allow access | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | i just need to figure out how to show the volume bar | 17:16 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, yeah, wouldn't mind that too | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: just keep clear of the usual volume usage | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | Though whether MeeGo had come to fruition or not, I don't think Maemo 6 would've been as good as Maemo 5. | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, of course ;) | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | lardman, I'd just as soon have it (mostly) behave like a PC. | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: users want to level volume by either short as well as long press of any of vol+, vol- | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 5 is awesome | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | Too many uninformed people out there for that, though. | 17:17 |
| lardman | GAN900: why not so good? Due to hastily added new UI stuff? | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | double clicks and fast +,- sequences though are free for second functions | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where double clicks also may be click then hold | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOT press and hold | 17:19 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, platsec, and the iPhoney shift in everything. | 17:22 |
| lardman | right | 17:22 |
| eichi | if i develop a small application with qt4 c++ on my laptop, how much to do to port this to n900? just some windows preferences? | 17:23 |
| eichi | *window | 17:23 |
| alterego | eichi: compile, run and have a look :P | 17:23 |
| eichi | n900 is arm cpu? | 17:23 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 17:24 |
| eichi | means i need an virtual environment, virtual machine or compile on n900 directly | 17:25 |
| eichi | best way? | 17:25 |
| eichi | archlinux on machine | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | madde and scratchbox are the commonly used development environments | 17:26 |
| eichi | okay, i will read about this next | 17:27 |
| eichi | days | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | a few weirdos compile natively on N900 ;-D | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | are you calling me weirdo? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | some even do it on the n8x0 | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | btw. look what i found | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | http://www.clementine-player.org/ | 17:28 |
| jacekowski | amarok 1.4 ported to qt4 | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:28 |
| BCMM | they really need a non-ugly screenshot | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | it's not ugly | 17:30 |
| BCMM | i know. it's because they've chosen to take screenshots under gnome, windows seven, and macos | 17:30 |
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| BCMM | whereas i would've thought that a lot of people want a qt4 amarok to fit in with their other qt4 stuff | 17:31 |
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| jacekowski | but aparently latest amarok can be skinned to look almost like 1.4 | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: 0.5 comes with hypnotoad \o/ X-P | 17:32 |
| BCMM | it can't be skinned, that i know of | 17:32 |
| BCMM | but the layout can be rearranged quite a lot | 17:32 |
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| jacekowski | yeah something like that | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | but i'm sticking with clementine for now | 17:32 |
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| BCMM | skinning it to look like 1.4 wouldn't help | 17:34 |
| BCMM | the advantage is usually thought to be the layout, not the fact it looks like a qt3 application | 17:34 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Smart playlists and kittens - pffff | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder who'll win - kitten or hypnotoad | 17:36 |
| Gyjf | ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!! | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now add in a DECENT hotkey management for ALL functions, and this is the N900 mp3player of my dreams | 17:37 |
| Necc | all hail the hypno toad | 17:38 |
| Necc | all hail the hypno toad!!! | 17:38 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: any of those three panes can be put "on top of each other", with tabs to switch between them | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | r33b.net - in short | 17:38 |
| BCMM | so if you put the playlist on one side, and the other two on top of each other, you basically have the music/lyrics/collection pane like in 1.4 | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh I forgot: hildonize it a bit | 17:39 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: also, you choose a more traditional alternative to the bar with the huge play/pause and volume controls | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't want to futz around with clumsy tiny scrollbars | 17:40 |
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| jacekowski | i'll have to show you my screenshots one day | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | but i have to find them on old hdd | 17:41 |
| BCMM | actually, i just resized amarok 2 to n900-size, and it looks surprisingly OK | 17:41 |
| BCMM | especially if you have all the panes fullscreen and tabbed | 17:42 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | clementine looks better | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to try to compile it | 17:42 |
| BCMM | what's the n900 window size? | 17:43 |
| BCMM | (for a non-fullscreen window) | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | i just looked at one of screenshots | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: smething like 800x442 | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: actually you shouldn't bother about it. Rather resize accordingly | 17:47 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: no, looking at whether Amarok 2 would work on that screen | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: some theme even might decide to have a top bar of different hight | 17:48 |
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| BCMM | http://ompldr.org/vNnhnMQ - smallest (vertically) amarok 2 will go | 17:50 |
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| BCMM | looks ok actually, - slightly too big but wouldn't be without status and menu bars | 17:51 |
| BCMM | oh, silly me - there's loads of space wasted because i didn't lock the layout again | 17:52 |
| BCMM | like where it uses a whole bar to say "playlist" | 17:52 |
| hrw | hmm.. time for me to leave that channel for good I think | 17:53 |
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| GAN900 | hrw, by then. | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | s/by/bye | 17:53 |
| hrw | GAN900: ;D | 17:53 |
| hrw | 770 in drawer, n810 in friend's hands as he do shr for it, n900 waits for buyer. | 17:54 |
| hrw | so bye | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | hrw: wave | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, farewell hrw | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | Crowdsource: Qt Creator using Python: how? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | (not necessarily in Maemo, btw) | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi crashanddie | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | yo Doc | 18:00 |
| lardman | any screenies of the new media player for those of us who don't currently have Qt Creator installed on their work Windows PCs? | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | new mediaplayer? | 18:02 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG's one | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | mohammedia? is supposed to look like osso MP | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | except that strange distrotion on cover art :-P | 18:03 |
| lardman | is that not what you were talking about? | 18:03 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=26 | 18:03 |
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| lardman | thanks crashanddie | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: we were talking about a amarok spinoff | 18:03 |
| lardman | ah ok | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-10 16:28:15] <jacekowski> http://www.clementine-player.org/ | 18:04 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 18:05 |
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| crashanddie | So, PyQt Creator? Does it exist? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall I heard abot such thing, yes | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bbl o/ | 18:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 18:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I had to take my laptop to a repair centre | 18:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | so for now, my only computer is the N900 | 18:26 |
| lcuk | and your n810 :) | 18:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: yes, but I have to give the N810 back the day after tomorrow | 18:28 |
| lardman | in this email http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-January/003078.html I see the phrase "Nokia showed MeeGo devices | 18:29 |
| lardman | in their Qt meeting booth."; anyone know what these were? Plain N900s? | 18:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: it is a nice little device though. the N95+N810 combo was great when the N900 was at repair | 18:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | lardman: sounds interesting | 18:32 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hey | 18:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 18:34 |
| xDaReaperx | dosen't this look good ? http://www.istyles.com/nokia-n900-skin-p-52625.html?osCsid=d2bc5444792af46c48f45493a3ef50cc | 18:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | xDaReaperx: it's lol | 18:38 |
| xDaReaperx | lol like ? | 18:39 |
| xDaReaperx | there are many others http://www.istyles.com/nokia-nokia-n900-c-292_567_700.html?page=0#32611 | 18:40 |
| xDaReaperx | looks sleek i guess | 18:40 |
| BCMM | xDaReaperx: the skin and image on the screen would never match that well without photoshop | 18:40 |
| BCMM | for a start, the screen's colour temperature does not change based on incident light... | 18:41 |
| eichi | looks, like a man tries do make his d*** shine a little bigger ;D with this car | 18:41 |
| xDaReaperx | it should be good to personalize you're dull looking brick a bit :P | 18:41 |
| BCMM | i'd go so far as to say it's a bit dishonest to make the skin and screen look seamless like that | 18:42 |
| xDaReaperx | it's two different skins | 18:42 |
| xDaReaperx | one for front and back | 18:42 |
| BCMM | i know | 18:42 |
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| xDaReaperx | if you wish , you might not apply the front | 18:43 |
| xDaReaperx | back should look good | 18:43 |
| BCMM | but the front one has a matching desktop background, and they portray it as matching seamlessly | 18:43 |
| BCMM | when in reality that would only happen under very precise lighting conditions | 18:43 |
| xDaReaperx | Kind of ... but it looks impressive | 18:43 |
| xDaReaperx | i mean usually i've seen those for laptops | 18:43 |
| xDaReaperx | not mobiles ... | 18:43 |
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| sivang2 | hi all | 18:44 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: here? | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | kinda | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | what's up | 18:44 |
| sivang2 | So I recommended my friend to get a C7 | 18:44 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 18:44 |
| BCMM | xDaReaperx: not sure you understand... it looks impressive, because it's shopped. | 18:44 |
| xDaReaperx | So it will not be so impressive in real ? | 18:45 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: do you have any idea how to get the same bug fix release that enabled swipe call accept on the S3 device? | 18:45 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: just curious if you know where/how to get it or could recommend someone to ask | 18:45 |
| xDaReaperx | looks pricey though | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | no clue :) | 18:45 |
| * timeless_mbp knows absolutely nothing about Symbian and wants to keep it that way | 18:45 | |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: sure sure okay, thanks anyways :) | 18:46 |
| sivang2 | it is a great phone btw | 18:46 |
| BCMM | xDaReaperx: ok, look at teh pic of teh front. now imagine what that looks like under typical indoor lighting. the screen is much brighter and whiter than the darker, yellower skin | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang2: hey... | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | got time to look at something? | 18:46 |
| BCMM | xDaReaperx: likewise, the screen image would look dark and gray compared to the skin in sunlight | 18:46 |
| xDaReaperx | Yeah .. you're right there :D | 18:46 |
| xDaReaperx | Yeah ... | 18:46 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: I will, but in an hour | 18:46 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: I'm not at my place, at her Windows's machine | 18:46 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: using irssi on windows through cygwin | 18:47 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: if it is an eyeballs things, then fire away | 18:47 |
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| BCMM | xDaReaperx: either the images on the site are either photoshopped, or the skins where designed specifically for the lights they used for the photos | 18:48 |
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| BCMM | they'd still look pretty nice without the matching backgrounds | 18:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | Yeah probably a brighter screen or something ... , the price is kind of too much for it though ... | 18:49 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang2: it's eyeballs | 18:49 |
| sivang2 | timeless_mbp: fire away | 18:49 |
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| epp | hey so whats the fastest speed/size sd card an n900 can handle | 18:51 |
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| tank-man | i think n900 takes microsd/microsdhc cards | 18:55 |
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| BCMM | epp: i *think* i saw somebody in here talking about benchmarking different brands of microSD card in the past few days | 18:57 |
| jhb | epp: no clue, I run a non-benchmarked class 6 card | 18:57 |
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| BCMM | epp: anyway, it's definitely microsd/microsdhc cards only, for the built-in card reader | 18:58 |
| BCMM | using USB host mode, you could connect pretty much any external card reader | 18:59 |
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| epp | any recommendations? | 19:02 |
| tank-man | what ever your wallet can handle | 19:02 |
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| epp | i have any amount opf money | 19:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | epp: try before buying | 19:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | epp: then try all the cards and buy the most expensive one it can handle | 19:03 |
| epp | how. | 19:03 |
| epp | bust out a magical spell and have them appear? | 19:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | go to a shop where they're sold | 19:05 |
| epp | im gonna get a class 10 32 gb | 19:05 |
| epp | off newegg | 19:05 |
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| BCMM | if you have literally unlimited funds, purchase one of every 32GB card, test them all, and use the fastest | 19:06 |
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| BCMM | (then publish the test results) | 19:06 |
| tank-man | if you are really rich, you would pay someone else to do all that | 19:06 |
| tank-man | ;) | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | BCMM: why just 32 GB? | 19:06 |
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| epp | Venemo_N900, i cant fin a 64gb sdhc standard | 19:08 |
| xDaReaperx | 32 GB is the max ? | 19:08 |
| xDaReaperx | or we could just stuff up as much as we can ? | 19:09 |
| epp | 64 is in the SDXC class. n900 doesnt support it | 19:09 |
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| xDaReaperx | I've seen someone somewhere saying that 64 worked | 19:09 |
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| jacekowski | well | 19:10 |
| jacekowski | n900 hardware is capable of working with sdxc | 19:10 |
| epp | if u see them ask them where they found a 64gb sdhc | 19:10 |
| epp | it is? | 19:10 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:10 |
| epp | but the slot is incorrect? | 19:10 |
| jacekowski | no | 19:10 |
| jacekowski | it's just software issue | 19:10 |
| epp | i dont want to have to load any more kernel modules than i have too | 19:11 |
| epp | to* | 19:11 |
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| xDaReaperx | but i wonder if it's stable ? | 19:11 |
| BCMM | SDXC was only defined in '09 | 19:11 |
| sivang2 | DocScrutinizer: gonna have a lot of time on my hands to whenever you have the docs for fmxtd email or privmsg | 19:11 |
| sivang2 | DocScrutinizer: (for probing avail bands, that is) | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | well, sdxc and sdhc is electrically compatible | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | it's just different structures in card | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | but it's only software problem | 19:12 |
| xDaReaperx | and Nokia wont work on it ? | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | it's not nokia problem really | 19:12 |
| xDaReaperx | i think they were planning to limit it to 32GB | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | it's kernel developers problem | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | nokia could help | 19:12 |
| xDaReaperx | oh | 19:12 |
| xDaReaperx | this one here says : http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-33688.html | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | but it's kernel driver that needs sdxc support | 19:13 |
| xDaReaperx | 2TB also would work | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | reading some info | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | it should work | 19:13 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah | 19:13 |
| xDaReaperx | weird though lol | 19:13 |
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| jacekowski | why | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | 2TB is incredible lots of space | 19:15 |
| xDaReaperx | incredibly * | 19:16 |
| xDaReaperx | it would take forever to read all the files in it ... probably while playing music | 19:16 |
| epp | y7eha, totally not woirth it | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | well, it's kinda amazing how many transistors you can have in something so small | 19:18 |
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| epp | well i just found a 30MB/s 16GB for $125 | 19:19 |
| kerio | jacekowski: http://xkcd.com/691/ | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | epp: n900 controller can only do like 15M/s | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | or 20 | 19:20 |
| epp | where did you discover this? | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | in TRM | 19:22 |
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| xDaReaperx | TRM ? | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | epp: maybe read the specification of the soc in the N900 | 19:22 |
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| jacekowski | Technical Reference Manual | 19:22 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/ | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/spruf98g_omap3530TRM.pdf | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/omap3530.pdf | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | these two | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | sivang2: what are you doing with fmtxd? | 19:25 |
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| sivang2 | jacekowski: have to go , ttl | 19:33 |
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| slonopotamus | holy shit... | 19:41 |
| flat` | flying | 19:41 |
| * slonopotamus watches his n800 booting omap-2.6.22 | 19:41 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | is there an app for N900 that can convert images? | 19:44 |
| slonopotamus | into what? | 19:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | into .gif | 19:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | and resize them | 19:46 |
| alterego | Yay, finally got my GLES shaders working nicely :D | 19:47 |
| hardaker | Venemo_N900: I suspect installing imagemagick will install "convert" which can do that. | 19:47 |
| hardaker | (I don't have it installed, but I use it on every other system) | 19:48 |
| alterego | Now to add some whizzy effects. | 19:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | hardaker: okay | 19:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hardaker: is it in the repos? | 19:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: to what? | 19:50 |
| hardaker | I did an apt-cache search before suggesting it | 19:50 |
| hardaker | so yes. | 19:50 |
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| BCMM | alterego: what are you making? | 19:50 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: I'm writing a small graphics engine in Qt with OpenGL for a glitzy new V2 trackview in Columbus. | 19:50 |
| alterego | And I said I'd implement a pretty coverflow for Mohammedia player | 19:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | hardaker: it's not in the app manager. will install with aptget then :P | 19:51 |
| hardaker | proabably have to | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus | so | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus | any mmc experts? :) | 19:52 |
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| flat` | is there any website that has lots of themes? | 19:52 |
| nomis | flat`: www.csszengarden.com | 19:53 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hardaker: could you tell me how to use this convert tool? | 19:54 |
| hardaker | describe what you want to convert to and from? | 19:54 |
| hardaker | it's quite simple for format changes: convert file.jpg file.gif | 19:55 |
| alterego | bbiab | 19:55 |
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| hardaker | but can do a lot more. IE, scaling and rotating: convert -geometry 50%x50% -rotate 90 file.jpg file.gif | 19:55 |
| BCMM | flat`: what sort of themes? | 19:55 |
| flat` | n900 | 19:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | hardaker: thx | 19:55 |
| BCMM | flat`: you mean desktop background sets, or widget styles? | 19:56 |
| flat` | dont fully get what you mean by widget styles but like the neon theme that has the basic icon looks different too and button | 19:58 |
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| BCMM | flat`: i suggest you search for "theme" in App manager | 19:59 |
| flat` | i have, just thinking would be nice to see what kind they are before install/use | 20:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | flat`: ask for screenshots on tmo | 20:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | why does fenec have to be SOOO SLOW? | 20:13 |
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| BCMM | Venemo_N900: what does fennec have over microb? | 20:14 |
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| ptl | lag | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | BCMM: only one feature, sync. however if it was comparable in speed, I would use it | 20:15 |
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| alterego | Yay, fog works :D | 20:28 |
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| * ptl just bought an android tablet (Galaxy Tab) and it made him miss more his old N900 | 20:29 | |
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| alterego | ptl: aww :( Do you not have an N900 any more? | 20:30 |
| alterego | Does Android have copy/cut & paste yet? | 20:30 |
| ptl | alterego: lol, don't tease me! Well, I don't know about the previous ones, but froyo has it. | 20:31 |
| ptl | My N900 broke | 20:31 |
| alterego | Yeah, never used to have it. | 20:31 |
| ptl | I didn't find the receipt for sending to Nokia US to fix it | 20:31 |
| alterego | That and, you can't save an image in a web page? | 20:31 |
| ptl | i didn't try it but I think it depends on the browser | 20:31 |
| ptl | lemme try it. | 20:31 |
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| alterego | Yeah, depends on the browser, I'm talking built-in. | 20:32 |
| ptl | Yes, I can do that in the built-in browser | 20:33 |
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| ptl | Maemo is undoubtedly better than Android | 20:34 |
| ptl | but... I don't have maemo at hand currently, and I thought I would take a try at android with such a different 'phone' | 20:35 |
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| ptl | I wouldn't spend my money in another N900 when N9 is just around the corner | 20:35 |
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| Funnyface | the main issue with maemo is the small user base. no one wants to put too much effort into developing something for maemo, when they can spend that time on developing an android or iPhone app instead. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | depends who you ask :) | 20:41 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, ask anybody relevant. :) | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Looks like there are more specific news about N9 | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | GAN: PossibleMWC announcement even (which would indeed be nice) | 20:49 |
| RST38h | moo, lardmn | 20:49 |
| lardman | ah, I appear at just the right time :) | 20:49 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 20:50 |
| lardman | Windows XP really is dog slow compared to Ubuntu 10.10 | 20:50 |
| lardman | might be partly due to requirement for anti-virus of course | 20:50 |
| lardman | normally my hw is too fast to realise, but netbooks really show the difference | 20:50 |
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| lardman | if only wifi worked everytime with Ubuntu... | 20:51 |
| lardman | RST38h, where did you get that nugget of info? | 20:51 |
| trumee | lardman: did you make any progress with ogg via dsp? | 20:51 |
| lardman | on which platform? | 20:52 |
| trumee | lardman: N900/maemo5 | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, link? | 20:52 |
| lardman | I ran out of patience on the TMS320C55 | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, that's where I would've put the announcement, so I believe it. | 20:52 |
| lardman | and have not tried on the C63 | 20:52 |
| * GAN900 wonders if we'll see any protos. | 20:52 | |
| lardman | trumee: afaik there are some existing DSP tasks which need to have their wrappers changed to fit in with gdt-dsp | 20:53 |
| lardman | gst-dsp even | 20:53 |
| lardman | I've not had any time to have a go at that, and my N900 is currently defunct | 20:53 |
| RST38h | GAN: If you had it ready of course | 20:54 |
| trumee | lardman: right. | 20:55 |
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| lardman | in fact on the TMS320C55 I ran out of memory, and patience to try to shift things around to save sufficient memory to get it to run | 20:56 |
| * trumee is presently using a desktop to transcode an online ogg radio stream to mp3 for feeding to N900. | 20:56 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/01/08/rumours-nokia-n9-being-announced-at-mwc-in-6-weeks-time-more-n9x7-gossip/ | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, love the Snapdragon claims. | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | You want to run vorbis on N900 dsp? why | 20:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: I see nothing wrong with snapdragon claims | 20:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: You may have noticed that Nokia stopped using OMAP CPUs in its Symbian^3 phones | 20:58 |
| eichi | i sell my old n800. i use shred for the internal sd card. how can i overwrite the internal flash with random data für removing all content? | 20:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: So, a jump to Snapdragon is completely possible, especially given its general popularity | 20:58 |
| lardman | RST38h: really? hard to know that info. Do they use snapdragon now? | 20:58 |
| * RST38h has been checking out Dell Streak yeterday. Nice device. But apparently sold locked and cannot be unlocked. | 20:59 | |
| lardman | hard for us to know I mean unless someone pulls one apart as there's no dmesg equivalent | 20:59 |
| lardman | RST38h: Dell sell it unlocked | 20:59 |
| eichi | or just reflash and dd if=/dev/random of=/home/user/bigfile ? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: Who? Nokia? I do not think so | 20:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: BUT rumors say that their "ARM11 CPU" used in S60e5 phones is in fact made by Quallcom | 21:00 |
| lardman | ok, so you agree that the specs are probably rubbish? | 21:00 |
| RST38h | lardman:Yes, so I found: even the $549 contract-free model is locked to at&T | 21:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: over here you can get them unlocked | 21:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: At what price? | 21:00 |
| lardman | hang on a tick | 21:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: No, I neither agree nor disagree that the specs are rubbish. But they obviously cannot be taken for granted. | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | no hw keyboard? fail | 21:01 |
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| lardman | +1 | 21:01 |
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| lardman | ~£400 | 21:01 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: The only large-screened device with a hw keyboard I have seen yesterday was HTC Evo 4G Shift. It sucks. | 21:01 |
| lardman | I was just looking at the Motorola Milestone 2 | 21:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh, I never knew Nokia used omap CPUs in their symbian phones... I thought they switched away from having separate application processor when Symbian gained hard realtime and became able to run the gsm/3g tasks itself | 21:02 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Evo 4G, on the other hand, is pretty decent | 21:02 |
| lardman | OMAP, can now be rooted and have new flash images,... | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Ah, something like $600-$800? | 21:02 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Nokia did. Used OMAP1 (aka OMAP850) in E70and its kin | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Shadowjk: Used OMAP2 since N95 | 21:03 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah if you had to exchange, but we pay what the US do in dollars normally exchange rates ignored | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | E70 was also "Dual CPU" :-) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: they are still using an arm11-based SoC just not saying which one | 21:03 |
| lardman | so do we reckon there's something coming or not? | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - that above link - 4* optical zoom - bullshit. | 21:03 |
| * ShadowJK just ordered a second N900 today | 21:03 | |
| lardman | that whole blog is crap | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: I am paid in USD and rubles (more or less rigidly tied to USD) :) | 21:04 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: I want something faster and with an e-compass | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, except the Summit announcement and all of the kernel commits. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: So, every time I see UK prices, I go "ouch" | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - 'dolby stereo speakers' - lol. | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | I don't see any advantage to jumping over. | 21:04 |
| lardman | bbiab, have to go do the washing up! | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Well, if the kernelcommits confirm omap, then it will be omap indeed | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | GAN: difficult to imagine a different scenario | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | if only the part about 1G ram turned out to be true | 21:05 |
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| GAN900 | Indeed | 21:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: Anyways, we only have 1 month of waiting left until MWC :) | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | But the rest of it is an uninformed fool's wishlist. | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, oh boy. | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | Although with all python and qt widgets/applets killed 256M started feeling barely usable | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | Maybe they'll ship sometime in August! | 21:06 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:Should be easy to confirm by checking what ram+flash chips Samsung is shipping right now | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, heh, or shipping in june 2010, knowing the usual pace :P | 21:07 |
| RST38h | GAN: Or october-november. That is what I have been predicting so far :) | 21:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: true, indeed | 21:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Beagleboard XM is another point of reference.. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I still do not hve Pythonpermanently installed, so feels ok :) | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | Or pandaboard, but pandaboard is kinda buggy.. | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: I checked the US electronics stores yesterday, planning defection (if N9 disappoints) and looks like there are still no good alternatives to n900 | 21:09 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, not one. | 21:10 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: All the good android stuff (like Streak) is locked top to bottom | 21:10 |
| GAN900 | It's sad, really, what we've been reduced to. | 21:10 |
| RST38h | No keyboards, too | 21:10 |
| RST38h | GAN: Give Android another6-9 months though... | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, getting the androids unlocked and getting some usable environment set up on it would take me months | 21:11 |
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| ShadowJK | whereas MeeGo looks like it'd only need a week or so to make usable | 21:11 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Actually,jailbreaking most androids (motorola excluded) appears to be rather easy | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, to suck more? | 21:12 |
| Paolo | Hi | 21:12 |
| Paolo | I've got a quick question regarding the receiving of SMS on the N900 | 21:12 |
| Paolo | Does anyone know, which service is required on dbus, thus that SMS can be stored? | 21:12 |
| Paolo | I currently get an error on dbus: "member outOfStorage" of the csd-plugin "sms" | 21:12 |
| Paolo | and I'm looking for the right app to provide storage | 21:12 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But the damn Streak has got locked baseband, so cannot just swap in the .RU SIM card there | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, sure but there's still lots to be done after that :-) | 21:12 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Yea, like smoku says - you write a wrapper that loads your native app compiled into an .so | 21:13 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: No direct access to audio or video, too | 21:13 |
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| lardman | re | 21:15 |
| lardman | RST38h: re prices, yep | 21:15 |
| GAN900 | lardman, how'd your silly trip to India go? | 21:15 |
| lardman | fine, was a long long week though | 21:16 |
| lardman | very busy | 21:16 |
| lardman | at least there was no snow ;) | 21:16 |
| lcuk | did you encounter the famous Indian traffic? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | and was it as bad as we have seen? | 21:16 |
| lardman | yep, worse | 21:16 |
| lcuk | s/bad/chaotic/ | 21:16 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: and was it as chaotic as we have seen? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:16 |
| lardman | I saw some people with BMW 7 series, obviously very very rich over there, still driving round in all that traffic | 21:17 |
| lardman | madness, I'd leave my car at home! :) | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | "Mars Journal Issue Inspires Hundreds of One-Way Trip Volunteers" | 21:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen javispedro | 21:17 |
| lcuk | if you have to drive , you have to | 21:17 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 19h 5m 8s ago, saying: '*looks at his mouse* right down the spacebar.'. | 21:17 |
| RST38h | TheOnion? No. DailyRotten? No. Slashdot! | 21:17 |
| lardman | they are very precise drivers though, I was covering my eyes a lot of the time | 21:17 |
| lardman | I was being driven, not driving, I hasten to add :D | 21:18 |
| lcuk | lardman, i hear that because everyone drives that way and expects it, it works | 21:18 |
| lcuk | its just different | 21:18 |
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| lardman | yep | 21:19 |
| lardman | but over here people don't have the awareness and skill | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | they do | 21:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Actually, it does not work, but the speeds are lower and the cars are cheaper, and the human lives are not so valued, so it works out | 21:19 |
| lcuk | they are fully aware of the text messages they get | 21:19 |
| lardman | GAN900: re jailbreaking Androids, not to suck more, but to install Meego | 21:19 |
| lcuk | and it takes skill to balance drink on steering wheel whilst slicing cake on your knee! | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | lardman, ah, well. | 21:20 |
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| lardman | and it even looks like those Motorola ones have been broken now | 21:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: Only when Meego handset is usable | 21:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: sure, but the more the merrier helping out | 21:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: Which currently takes Meego out of consideration, unfortunately | 21:20 |
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| lardman | RST38h: Certainly it's not going to be user ready for a month or so yet I guess | 21:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: I doubt 1.2 will be ready for daily use | 21:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: But one can always hope. | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | I doubt any of them will be ready unless we contribute the time and energy. | 21:22 |
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| GAN900 | Reference seems designed to be useless. | 21:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | can I play multiplayer with OpenTTD between N900 and a Pc? | 21:22 |
| RST38h | GAN: Probably just autogenerated | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | Management loves autogenerated docs. They are cost-effective. | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | grumpy_guy.sh :P | 21:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: At least use PERL, you rascal! =) | 21:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | thats even shorter tho | 21:25 |
| lardman | well my feeling is that we get rid of the closed apps straight away and go straight for a complete open source ui | 21:26 |
| lardman | so basing on the reference image would be reasonable I guess, for starters at least | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, sorry, Reference applications. | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Ah, those | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hack on the open source stuff in the handset image. | 21:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: And who is going to be writing that open source UI? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | I mean, it is a lot of UI to write and debug | 21:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: I'd leave the ui alone for the time being and handle the apps first | 21:27 |
| lardman | ui seems to work just about | 21:27 |
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| lardman | e.g. like MohammadAG's media player - though I'd like to wait and see Meego or Harmattan/Meego in the flesh before basing on something | 21:28 |
| RST38h | lardman: yes but aren't most apps mostly UI? | 21:29 |
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| lardman | RST38h: no not really, things like the calendar have a backend, likewise the contacts app, etc | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | those currently rely on google as backed, right? | 21:31 |
| lardman | nope, libs documented in the maemo5 api docs | 21:31 |
| lardman | though getting Google sync working without hacks would be good | 21:31 |
| RST38h | lardman: email too, but something is telling me that the most problematic part will still be ui | 21:33 |
| lardman | sure ui will take work, but there are at least a few of us scudding about | 21:33 |
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| lardman | or patch and drop in existing code | 21:34 |
| lcuk | go and look at the reference apps and beat them into a pulp | 21:34 |
| lardman | apps | 21:34 |
| lardman | yeah, once I have something to run them on | 21:34 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | I am trying to push towards reference actually meaning reference and adhering to the reference properly | 21:35 |
| lcuk | (it seems some think the reference applications will not be compliant for instance) | 21:35 |
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| lardman | lol | 21:36 |
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| lardman | it's odd, I now remember all the talk of open libraries in the backend and how we could make our own applications coming from various Nokians, but it's only now that I realise that was probably a not so subtle hint | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | lardman, :) right now, seeing the work for mediaplayer actually coming together | 21:39 |
| lcuk | i know its 0zillion times more than it should need | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | but REALLY pleased to see a collaborative effort coming out of it | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:41 |
| * SpeedEvil too! | 21:42 | |
| Venemo_N900 | how can I get the media player to NOT stop playing videos when I focus out of it? | 21:42 |
| lardman | I'm also pleased to see it, just a shame we didn't start earlier when I was more enthused about the N900 platform | 21:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: Set an alarm for 1 min time, play video, lock screen, wait for alarm to kick in, cancel alarm, video unpuases. | 21:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: forever? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | lardman, did you have n800 or n810? | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | or were you a 770 user? | 21:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: I wish to watch a series and check irc occasionally | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: no - just for that iceo | 21:44 |
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| lardman | yes all three | 21:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | video | 21:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: :( | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: :/ | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer works | 21:45 |
| lcuk | lardman, which still work? | 21:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: on the N900 ad video, it is possible! | 21:45 |
| lcuk | and does your newest barcode work on 8x0? | 21:45 |
| lardman | all assuming the batteries are still ok | 21:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: hm, mplayer. maybe :) thx | 21:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, needs opengl | 21:45 |
| lcuk | what for? | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - tesco offers a barcode -> product API | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | its reading barcodes! | 21:45 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ann summers has offered that for a while | 21:46 |
| lcuk | err not that I would know :P | 21:46 |
| lardman | lol | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/ http://www.techfortesco.com/tescoapiweb/terms.htm | 21:47 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | 21. You will not write applications that could be seen to involve Tesco in certain genres of entertainment or business activity. These include all illegal activities, and also include (but are not limited to): | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | a. adult entertainment (sex), | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 21:47 |
| lardman | fruit? | 21:47 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders how you could write an adult entertainment program around the tesco web API. | 21:47 | |
| lcuk | 1 packet carrots (large) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | cling film | 21:48 |
| timeless_xchat | rst38h, fwiw, i don't think there are two L's in Qualcomm (there are two M's) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you need to upgrade your imagination then | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: My imagination is broken today. | 21:48 |
| lcuk | theres a "game" to play with shopping centres | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | take 3 items to checkout | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | anyone brave enough to fix broken mmc support in my drunken-rebase-of-diablo-sources-on-top-of-omap-2.6.22? :P | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I've spent today getting on the wrong bus, and walking a couple of miles in the sleet. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | and get the checkout lady to balk | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | based on combination | 21:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: downgrade I think, down to gutter level | 21:49 |
| lcuk | like I just said with carrots ;) | 21:49 |
| timeless_xchat | speedevil, http://foodporn.com/ ? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | its like the whiskey and babyfood :O | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: diapers, vodka, lubricant, ginger. And then you put the diapers back, realising you don't have enough cash. | 21:50 |
| lcuk | :O | 21:50 |
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| timeless_xchat | lcuk: s/its/it's/ | 21:51 |
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| slonopotamus | as i thought :/ | 21:52 |
| lcuk | thanks again timeless_xchat :) I will need to remember this one day. | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, dont bother, the English language is evolving | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | we shall get rid of the apostrophe soon | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 21:53 |
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| alterego | At least he's not talking kiddiot .. | 22:02 |
| BCMM | lcuk: http://bash.org/?240120 (Re: checkout game) | 22:03 |
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| kasansweat | Out of curiosity -- instead of porting Android wholesale to phones like the n900, what about something like for Android apps on Maemo/meego/whatever what Wine is to Windows? Running the apps w/out "booting android?" | 22:04 |
| lcuk | :D BCMM | 22:04 |
| BCMM | kasansweat: i've wondered about that. is android's VM open? | 22:05 |
| lardman | yes afaik | 22:06 |
| kasansweat | Not sure. I'm still at the point where I don't really get how the whole Android thing works. Like, it's weird Java on top of weird Linux, so why is it still relatively locked down? | 22:06 |
| BCMM | am i right in saying that, basically, that runs on a linux(ish) kernel, and android apps run on it? | 22:06 |
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| lardman | kasansweat: wierd Linux and wierd Java are open, the core libraries that run on wierd Jave are not | 22:07 |
| BCMM | i supposed it ought to be possible to reimplement the graphics bits to use an X-server, at which point you could presumably run it on a "real" linux distro | 22:07 |
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| lardman | you need to reimplement all the java system libraries | 22:09 |
| lardman | certainly doable, they have an exposed api, but a hell of a job | 22:09 |
| RST38h | better not | 22:10 |
| BCMM | so where in this system is the weirdo graphics system? in the system libs? | 22:10 |
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| lardman | in an Android system, yes, the whole lot is in there afaiu | 22:11 |
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| kasansweat | aha, i was looking for the discussion -- here it is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32784 | 22:14 |
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| orangey | hello all | 22:14 |
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| orangey | I've put a script into /etc/dbus-scripts.d that says: /usr/sbin/speedadaptfix * * com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind active * | 22:15 |
| orangey | however, it appears something *else* is being executed when a phone call becomes active | 22:15 |
| orangey | so what am I doing wrong here? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | orangey: too few info | 22:18 |
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| orangey | DocScrutinizer: I want to execute a command when the telephone is making a call so I can manipulate CPU speed | 22:21 |
| orangey | after some careful analysis, I think that's the main problem in my choppy sound problem | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui CPU freq is locked to 500MHz during calls anyway. I could be wrong though | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got choppy sound on GSM calls? :-o | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I can't see anything wrong with your dbus-scripts setup, assuming the signal to monitor is correctly matched by the pattern | 22:24 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: 600MHz I thought | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 22:25 |
| lardman | full-whack either way | 22:25 |
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| pupnik | maemo still has a crazy amount of lurkers | 22:26 |
| pupnik | people i've never seen chat | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | orangey: beware though, I once built a forkbomb by placing the script to execute into /etc/dbus-scripts.d :-D | 22:26 |
| lardman | pupnik: not like us olides hey? :) | 22:27 |
| lardman | oldies even | 22:27 |
| lardman | hmm, too much vino | 22:27 |
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| lardman | or old age perhaps | 22:27 |
| pupnik | i know you can spell lardman | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can spell lardman too ;-D | 22:28 |
| lardman | :D | 22:28 |
| lardman | bet you used tab though.... | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, actually not :-D | 22:28 |
| lardman | oh, I take it all back | 22:28 |
| pupnik | would have been fun to chat more about music in berlin - as a matter of fact i have to highly reccommend Pantha du Prince - a guy from my neck of the woods | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I even considered a pun like >> I can spell lradman too ;-D | 22:29 |
| lardman | :) | 22:29 |
| * lardman regrets not being able to make it to Dublin to catch up with people | 22:30 | |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I670lCWpu7w Pantha du Prince - Bohemian Forest [HQ] apologies for the offtopic - the style is... "walking through the forest electro" | 22:30 |
| * lardman watches | 22:31 | |
| pupnik | yeah me too | 22:31 |
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| * lardman approves | 22:32 | |
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| pupnik | i really have met extraordinary people through nokia / maemo | 22:33 |
| kasansweat | thought i was playing chain factor for a second | 22:33 |
| lardman | ffwd a bit :) | 22:34 |
| pupnik | yeah of course - what surprised me is that 18 year old scenster girls in USA also like this | 22:34 |
| orangey | well.. here's hoping I finally fixed this stupid choppy audio problem | 22:36 |
| pupnik | orangey: you have choppy audio under system load on n900? | 22:36 |
| orangey | pupnik: It's that SIP is so choppy as to be unusable most of the time | 22:37 |
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| orangey | I'm using the power kernel and finally noticed that the CPU minimum was 125 for some reason | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah SIP | 22:37 |
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| pupnik | ah good diagnosis | 22:37 |
| orangey | and the fix script I had rolled appeared not to work | 22:37 |
| lcuk | pupnik, according to youtube | 22:37 |
| pupnik | sometimes those things don't play well together | 22:37 |
| lcuk | its popular with germany blokes | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's usually due to jitter or packet loss on internet and local uplink | 22:37 |
| lcuk | German * | 22:37 |
| pupnik | lcuk: well minnesota is very germany | 22:38 |
| eichi | hello, how can I eras data on the n800 device safe to sell the device | 22:38 |
| orangey | finally, I realized that it was that I had #!/bin/bash; changed it to #!/bin/sh and now it works | 22:38 |
| lcuk | click the video stats | 22:38 |
| orangey | I did set the fixed CPU speed during a call to 850, though | 22:38 |
| lcuk | it has a nice breakdown | 22:38 |
| lcuk | showing where its popular | 22:38 |
| orangey | If I have absolutely no problems, then I'll push it down to 600 and test again | 22:38 |
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| orangey | lcuk: I've been inspired by the link you sent. I'm going to try to do same for my n810, possibly with a larger module that supports hsdpa. Won't be as pretty, though | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell orangey about omap-oc | 22:40 |
| lcuk | orangey, great | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | you do realize locking the CPU @ 600 is bad enough, and locking it to 850 is just asking for your device to die | 22:40 |
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| orangey | MohammadAG: while on a call? | 22:40 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: the telephone is completely unusable to me right now. | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anytime | 22:41 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: so frankly, not much is lost in my life if it dies this minute. | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | regardless, I don't think the CPU lifetime is better during a call | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | orangey, GSM? | 22:41 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: sip | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | mine stays at 250 or sth | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | ah, that | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I wouldn't refer to SIP as "while on cal", it's rather misleading | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | sip is slow on a 1.7GHz laptop :P | 22:41 |
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| eichi | you think, overclocking is _very_ bad for n900? | 22:42 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: why does it work perfectly on my n810? | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | basically when siping, you can't use anything | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and most certainly it's not curable with higher CPU speed when you get quality problems on SIP | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | orangey, never had an N810, but maybe PA is less crappy there? | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | eichi: yes | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG | maybe swap's freaking out and putting a lot of IO on the eMMC | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell eichi about omap-oc | 22:43 |
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| jacekowski | ~overclocking | 22:43 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 22:43 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: i tried with your pa too, but no sugar | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG | my PA is still based on a crappy PA :P | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | orangey: you got me on your ignore list or what? | 22:44 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: no, why? | 22:44 |
| RST38h | You overclock with apt??? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's (quality issues on SIP) usually due to jitter or packet loss on internet and local uplink | 22:44 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: it appears higher CPU does actually fix the problem. I'm testing again | 22:44 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: Not the case. I test other SIP devices on the same network. it is uniquely n900 | 22:45 |
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| orangey | DocScrutinizer: the problem is known and abandoned by nokia | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 22:45 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: ithe first breakthrough I had was when I experienced significant relief with removing WPA from my network | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | higher CPU might fix it, and it is breaking your device :P | 22:45 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: the theory being that wpa had a large cpu overhead | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | btw, one thing bothers me | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | orangey: so what got WPA to do with CPU clock and PA? | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | skype calls are lighter than normal calls on symbian | 22:46 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: this morning, I was ready to throw this thing in the garbage. now I'm happy to keep it | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | heavier than decryption on maemo | 22:46 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: i stopped reading at "symbian" | 22:46 |
| kerio | because it was at the end of the line | 22:46 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: if it needs to be OC to give me another 1 month, that's 1 month more life than it has at this minute | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, heh | 22:46 |
| orangey | DocScrutinizer: It appears to have more CPU overhead.. intuitively makes sense to me | 22:47 |
| * pahartik would use SIP on "Nokia N900" but client seems to not like IPv6 | 22:47 | |
| MohammadAG | lol your device, your decisions | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, possibly | 22:47 |
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| orangey | MohammadAG: Well, finally the system is usable. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | for the time, till it dies :P | 22:48 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: without the fix, it's already dead | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw | 22:48 |
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| * MohammadAG tries to remember bug number | 22:48 | |
| MohammadAG | bug 10613 ? | 22:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10613 screen glitches on incoming call | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | is povbot dead? | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, wrong bug, meh | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you can check easily by wget'ing or cp'ing a file from elsewhere to /dev/null, and see what's the CPU load to handle WPA | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SIP decoders are rather lightweight - hell I had brilliant SIP with my 300MHz P-II panasonic toughbook | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | over WLAN | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | was it bug 7190? | 22:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7190 music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web | 22:50 |
| eichi | the link from infobot said to me, its better to lock cpu of n900 to 500 mhz? | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | orangey, try the pulseaudio package there | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eichi: 500MHz are considered "safe" for the CPU. You nevertheless should never lock the CPU to any freq | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what cpu-frew-governor is for | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freq* even | 22:52 |
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| eichi | DocScrutinizer and what is the default from maemo 5 RC ? | 22:53 |
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| orangey | DocScrutinizer: the n900 locks during calls at 600 by default | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | SIP calls* | 22:55 |
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| obcecado | hi guys | 22:55 |
| obcecado | my n900 suddenly stopped outputting audio (phone calls, media playback) | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ondemand | 22:55 |
| obcecado | i haven't installed or modfied the system | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_available_governors | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ondemand userspace | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obcecado: it's enough to install or modify an app that messes around with audio | 22:57 |
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| obcecado | the only setting i remember modifying recently was setting camera key to display the dashboard on shortcutd | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try headset | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | check if you get audio on boot movie shaking_hands | 22:59 |
| obcecado | no | 23:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | obcecado: It did that to me too | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Is pulseaudio running? | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ps|grep pulse | 23:01 |
| obcecado | i'd be thankful if you pointed me in the right direction :-] | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I reflashed. | 23:01 |
| obcecado | i was attempting to dpkg reconfigure it | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | obcecado, lemme guess, you have decoders-support, start pulseaudio shows respawning too fast | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget it | 23:01 |
| * MohammadAG stabs libflac8 | 23:02 | |
| BCMM | obcecado: is pulseaudio running? running? | 23:02 |
| obcecado | no it is not | 23:02 |
| BCMM | oh, MohammadAG got there first | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | start pulseaudio in a root shell | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obcecado: xterm: root; start pulseaudio | 23:02 |
| * MohammadAG looks for file | 23:02 | |
| MohammadAG | he needs to move a file to /usr | 23:03 |
| obcecado | pulseaudio --system | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet | 23:03 |
| obcecado | hmm | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: that diddn't work for me | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | no obcecado | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | start pulseaudio | 23:03 |
| orangey | MohammadAG: installing your new package.. | 23:03 |
| orangey | incidentally, does anybody know what the sig_call_state_ind is when a call is picked up? | 23:04 |
| orangey | I can't find an api list. | 23:04 |
| Aranel | My hildon app manager just insists on "Operation Failed" and doesn't show me any app. What's wrong about it? | 23:04 |
| orangey | I currently am modifying on: com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind active | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | obcecado, cp /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libFLAC-8.2.0 /usr/lib | 23:04 |
| orangey | but it seems there is another state once the call is 'picked up' that modifies the cpu freq again | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | do that in a root shell, reboot | 23:04 |
| obcecado | cannot open /sys/devices/plataform/omap-mcbsp.2/st_enable | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | should be fixed | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it did for me | 23:04 |
| obcecado | its the error message | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | obcecado, you shouldn't do that! | 23:04 |
| obcecado | when i start pulseaudio | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | I said "start pulseaudio" | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | not start, as a verb | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | it's a command | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | ctrl c and type start pulseaudio | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even >>initctl start pulseaudio | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | same, but longer :P | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, but also clearer | 23:05 |
| obcecado | running | 23:05 |
| obcecado | after initctl start pulseaudio | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, do the cp command i pasted, then reboot | 23:06 |
| obcecado | ok, i got audio | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | you'll lose it after a reboot | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | obcecado, cp /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libFLAC-8.2.0 /usr/lib | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | do that | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PA blows chunks on boot, cause some gashead linked in a lib on /opt to pa-server | 23:06 |
| obcecado | done that MohammadAG | 23:06 |
| obcecado | let me reboot | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | obcecado, ah, k | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | crap | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | battery low | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | i need some new batteries | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | atomic ones :-P | 23:07 |
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| obcecado | tada! | 23:08 |
| obcecado | nokia tune | 23:08 |
| obcecado | thank you for your help :-] | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (gashead) or in terse: | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 23:10 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 23:10 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that might not go well with my name | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | you know, security reasons :p | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even allowed to buy glolite here in Germany | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG | glolite? | 23:15 |
| lardman | synonym for C4? | 23:15 |
| Paolo | Re-Hi, sorry to bother again, but is anyone familiar with the way, Maemo receives SMS on the N900? | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nite gloring | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nite glowring | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | Paolo, just ask | 23:17 |
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| Paolo | I can perfectly send SMS via AT commands | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:17 |
| Paolo | However, I recently found out, that Nokia is not using AT commands to receive SMS | 23:18 |
| Paolo | One can receive SMS via dbus | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paolo: there's no system you can provide more storage to | 23:18 |
| Paolo | by using the SMS plugin on "csd" | 23:18 |
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| Paolo | but the csd plugin complains about "outOfStorage" | 23:18 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah devs are supposed to use csd | 23:19 |
| Paolo | and I don't know, which app is actually receiving the SMS resp. providing the sms storage | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you either need to check if df -h shows any fs is 100% filled | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you got a problem with your SIM storage | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or the database that stores the SMS is defect | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG | I think telepathy receives the message with a plugin and stores it in the chat db | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, sth along that line | 23:20 |
| Paolo | So, telepathy get's the incoming SMS from phonet and puts it on dbus? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you can't allocate more stoage to any system. This isn't MacOS9 | 23:21 |
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| Paolo | @DocScrutinizer: It's not about the amount of storage | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS are not put on dbus | 23:21 |
| Paolo | what I need is a way to receive SMS | 23:21 |
| Paolo | I don't care where they are stored, I just like to know, which app is receiving them and how it is done ;) | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are stored in a SQLite3 db | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | there's a wiki page about it | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paolo: either or | 23:22 |
| Paolo | ah cool, so there is a system daemon receiving the sms directly from phonet? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | either you want to know how it's done or you don't care where they are stored | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | why? do you intend on getting rid of csd? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI telepathy receives SMS from phonet/csd and stores them to a db | 23:24 |
| eichi | no one can tell me, how to erase all data from my n800? | 23:25 |
| eichi | thirt time i ask and cant belive no one can give me an answer | 23:25 |
| Paolo | The problem is the following: I want to use the GSM modem for sending and receiving SMS. However, the csd plugin 'sms' complains about missing Storage, and I'd like to know, which service is actually providing this space. The goal is to have a very minimalistic OS without GUI etc. | 23:25 |
| lardman | eichi: flash FIASCO + EMMC images, mount on windows/Linux box and delete everything in the mounted drive, rm -rf /home/user once umounted ? | 23:26 |
| Paolo | However, I can't find any info on the net, how the SMS are actually recieved from the modem | 23:26 |
| Paolo | If it is possible to circumvent csd to make the system smaller, that would be great | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | eichi: eh? | 23:27 |
| eichi | DocScrutinizer on "normal" devices, i just use a livecd and shred the storages with one or two random overwrites | 23:28 |
| kerio | ok where's my port of google goggles for maemo | 23:28 |
| Paolo | @DocScrutinizer: I just want to know, how it's done and how I can receive them, where they are stored is not my first concern. | 23:28 |
| eichi | but dont know, what to do on n800 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paolo: the system providing the space is: (bottom-up) eMMC, filesystem, SQL db, telepathy | 23:29 |
| lardman | eichi: ah, on N800 iirc just flash a new FIASCO image and you lose everything | 23:29 |
| Paolo | ok, but how does telepathy gets the SMS? ;) | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | Paolo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42973 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paolo: where's the difference between "prociding the space" and "storing sth"? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paolo: as mentioned before, telepathy is talking to libisi/phonet/csd | 23:30 |
| eichi | lardman but the image does not fill the full storage. that why you can install aplications and store your caledar. i'm not shure, this space is overwriten with only a reflash | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | any of those | 23:30 |
| lardman | eichi: try it and see? | 23:31 |
| lardman | those are stored in hidden dirs under /home/user, so ls -rtla /home/user/* | 23:31 |
| eichi | lardman dont want to disassambly the flash sorate and try some recovery tools .. | 23:31 |
| lardman | eh? | 23:32 |
| lardman | you're worried someone will still be able to recover your data? | 23:32 |
| eichi | you don't understand my problem? i dont want to sell it, any maybe some free recovers my calendar and stuff | 23:32 |
| eichi | *freak | 23:33 |
| lardman | I just told you where the data are stored, flash it and see if they vanish | 23:33 |
| eichi | its common for me, to overwrite storage before selling? why? i bought a hdd from ebay and recoverd lots of porn, personal documents and stuff. why? because this persond dont cared about it. i'm not a person like he/she was | 23:33 |
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| eichi | lardman how can I shure, that the data is secure from a recovery tool, if you take out storage from n800 | 23:34 |
| lardman | so you also want to overwite the storage? | 23:34 |
| eichi | i dont know the person, which bought it | 23:35 |
| lardman | that I don't know | 23:35 |
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| woglinde | hi | 23:35 |
| woglinde | whats the sources.list for pr1.3? | 23:35 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/photos/Summer_Skin_Beetle_sm.html | 23:35 |
| eichi | lardman if its to hard, then I have to live without overwriting, thougt it is easy, maybe with flasher, but thanks | 23:36 |
| lardman | eichi: it would be possible to craft a custom bootloader to overwrite the partition I guess, but I'm not sure how the jffs2 abstraction will work with that | 23:36 |
| lardman | eichi: so the answer is I don't know | 23:37 |
| woglinde | for sdk | 23:37 |
| lardman | eichi: sorry | 23:37 |
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| Paolo | Hmm... maybe I should make myself more clear, this whole storage thing is a bit confusing... When using AT+CPMS, there is different storage, where the GSM modem can store SMS. However on Nokia phones, this command is not available. Therefore SMS are received by another way. Assuming I have a complete clean init process, where I first start dbus, sscd, mce and csd with the "sms" plugin, the sms plugin complains about missing storage. This I assume is a user s | 23:40 |
| Paolo | pace app or some daemon providing a storage interface such that csd can store the SMS. | 23:40 |
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| Paolo | So, what I'd like to know is: a) what is this app / daemon / whatever that provides the storage (and thus registers on dbus) or b) how can I receive SMS from the modem without csd | 23:42 |
| alterego | Paolo: those AT commands are old. | 23:42 |
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| jacekowski | Paolo: on n900 you are not supposed to talk to modem directly | 23:42 |
| alterego | Modern terminals wont provide that interface anymore. | 23:42 |
| Paolo | I know ;) | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | Paolo: you are supposed to get messages from telepathy | 23:43 |
| alterego | I.E. dbus .. | 23:43 |
| Paolo | hmm... ok, thanks, I'll have a look into telepathy then | 23:44 |
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| alterego | Paolo: it would help if you told us exactly what you want | 23:45 |
| alterego | If you just want to listen for SMS messages, then just monitor the appropriate dbus signals | 23:45 |
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| Paolo | alterego: that's the problem | 23:45 |
| Paolo | I am still missing a service, therefore the csd 'sms' plugin doesn't work | 23:45 |
| alterego | What are you talking about? | 23:46 |
| alterego | What are you missing? | 23:46 |
| Paolo | I need a very very very small minimalistic OS which is just capable of using the GSM modem to send / receive SMS | 23:46 |
| Paolo | therefore, I only want to start the necessary apps | 23:46 |
| alterego | Look at meego | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | Paolo: where? | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | Paolo: on n900? | 23:46 |
| Paolo | yes | 23:46 |
| alterego | Paolo: build a very minimal meego rootfs with ofono and telepathy | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | then you need full os | 23:47 |
| alterego | Done. | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | or meego | 23:47 |
| Paolo | jacekowski: not quite ;) I already extracted the essential libs and binaries, thus I can initalise the modem, activate the sim and send SMS | 23:48 |
| Paolo | the only thing I'm missing is the receiving part | 23:48 |
| woglinde | o.O | 23:48 |
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| Paolo | which fails, since csd is missing its storage, and I can't figure out, which app I'm missing :D | 23:48 |
| alterego | sqlite? | 23:49 |
| woglinde | strace? | 23:49 |
| * alterego chuckles | 23:49 | |
| alterego | ldd | 23:49 |
| Paolo | nope, did that already | 23:49 |
| Paolo | all libs are present | 23:49 |
| woglinde | no ldd wouldnt help | 23:49 |
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| woglinde | strace it | 23:49 |
| Paolo | I did | 23:49 |
| Paolo | the problem is not the plugin itself, it starts / loads fine into csd | 23:49 |
| woglinde | do it right | 23:49 |
| Paolo | however, once it is running, it is looking for storage, which is not present | 23:50 |
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| Paolo | woglinde: thanks, that was helpful | 23:50 |
| woglinde | but where? | 23:50 |
| alterego | Seriously, just use the meego stack .. | 23:51 |
| woglinde | strace should listed the failed path | 23:51 |
| * MohammadAG wants a camera only OS | 23:51 | |
| MohammadAG | no services, one X server, no window manager | 23:51 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: but where are you going to save your pictures? you clearly need some FS drivers | 23:52 |
| woglinde | why the xserver? | 23:52 |
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| kerio | also yeah, framebuffer ftw :) | 23:52 |
| mece | 'ello | 23:52 |
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| alterego | My gf is so hawt, she's fallen asleep next to be with tissue shoved up both nostrils | 23:53 |
| alterego | Snoring .. | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | aww, how cute | 23:53 |
| mece | alterego, hawt!¨ | 23:53 |
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| alterego | Every now-and-again she wakes up and coughs her guts up, | 23:53 |
| alterego | Then passes out again. | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | hey crashanddie_ | 23:54 |
| mece | now that we're sharing warstories, one of my three 3 year olds just threw up in his bed. | 23:54 |
| mece | fun times. | 23:54 |
| alterego | Eek :) | 23:54 |
| alterego | Was it ice cream? | 23:54 |
| mece | looked like rice | 23:54 |
| alterego | There's something about kid puke after a milkshake or a load of ice cream that makes me vomit .. | 23:54 |
| mece | he threw up before, so it wasn't unexpected or anything. | 23:55 |
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| * lcuk has a photo of lue throwing up | 23:55 | |
| lcuk | onto me | 23:55 |
| lcuk | luke * | 23:55 |
| mece | kids are fun | 23:55 |
| woglinde | lcuk no thanks | 23:55 |
| lcuk | mece yeah | 23:56 |
| lcuk | woglinde, are you sure | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i could scan it in | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i think its in legacy format still | 23:56 |
| alterego | Right, now to render GL with a transparent background, this ought to be interesting. | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | Paolo: just get normal os, and add stuff on top of it | 23:56 |
| Paolo | jacekowski: that's what I am doing... | 23:57 |
| mece | aaanyway, anyone know about .pro file magic and how to make make it include the qml files in a build? | 23:57 |
| Paolo | taking out the essential parts of maemo handling the gsm | 23:57 |
| woglinde | mece use madde? | 23:57 |
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| BCMM | alterego: what are you doing with ogl? | 23:57 |
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| mece | woglinde, well I was hoping to get it done with nokia qt sdk | 23:57 |
| alterego | mece: do you mean copy your qml files into your package? | 23:57 |
| mece | alterego, yes. | 23:57 |
| alterego | mece: hang on I'll pastie an example./ | 23:58 |
| mece | alterego, thankeesai | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | wait what | 23:58 |
| Paolo | is meego also using csd? | 23:58 |
| woglinde | mece look the examples | 23:58 |
| woglinde | there are plenty | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | qml files aren't made into .cpp/.h files? | 23:58 |
| woglinde | paolo no | 23:58 |
| woglinde | ofono | 23:58 |
| mece | woglinde, the examples didn't seem to help | 23:58 |
| mece | MohammadAG, no | 23:58 |
| Paolo | and ofono cna deal with SMS easily? | 23:58 |
| woglinde | use the other | 23:58 |
| woglinde | paolo dont know | 23:58 |
| woglinde | never used it | 23:58 |
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| Paolo | me neither, and I already put a lot of effort into maemo and am that close to solving my problems, just that missing part... | 23:59 |
| Paolo | don't want to re-do that again with meego | 23:59 |
| woglinde | paolo try to write to the maemo-dev mailinglist | 23:59 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, meh, so you're not running C++ binaries on device | 23:59 |
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