IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-01-09

MohammadAG	ZogG, I'm not, at least they understand you're a geek	00:00
MohammadAG	since they're usually geekier	00:00
ZogG	MohammadAG, give it a try	00:00
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, so its best to plug it in after startup?	00:00
DocScrutinizer	yes, definitely	00:00
ZogG	told you i had the same with atheros and now it works fine	00:00
* trumee thanks DocScrutinizer for this advice.		00:00
DocScrutinizer	yw	00:00
* MohammadAG ponders getting a 30ft ethernet cable and be done with wifi		00:00
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	00:01
trumee	MohammadAG, homeplug?	00:01
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ZogG	MohammadAG, i maybe can get you a cable	00:01
DocScrutinizer	cat5a is the best WIFI you can get	00:01
ZogG	asked the workplace and they gave me 15 meters	00:01
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, mindcontrol is the best wireless	00:01
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solitaconcam	http://tinyurl.com/vanesita-hot-camara	00:02
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, time for +o +b -o?	00:03
DocScrutinizer	wtf why did nobody point me at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63997 Boost-N900 ?	00:03
DangerMaus	what happened in arizonia?	00:03
DangerMaus	oops wong channel	00:03
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DocScrutinizer	meh	00:04
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Lantizia	Hey is there a way I can disable the SMS and Cellular Call Making abilities of the N900 (to clarify... leaving things like Skype, SIP and GPRS/WCDMA/HSDPA connectivity intact)	00:04
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, why? i just got turned on	00:05
ZogG	Lantizia yes	00:05
Tamyrlin	Lantizia: Remove the SIM-card? :)	00:05
Lantizia	Tamyrlin, you haven't read my clarifications :P	00:05
ZogG	you can install tweak for power key to turn off celular modem	00:05
Tamyrlin	Ah, sorry, GPRS	00:05
Lantizia	ZogG, I assume it means disabling the telepathy modules?	00:05
MohammadAG	this is #maemo, not #turnmeon	00:05
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Lantizia	ZogG, No... again read the clarifications	00:06
ZogG	MohammadAG and if maemo turns me on?	00:06
ZogG	what should i do than?	00:06
ZogG	say what?	00:06
Lantizia	Obviously I can't turn off the cellular modem like ZogG says or remove the SIM card like Tamyrlin or that will disable Internet connectively	00:06
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, i wan the power to ban people too, i would ban myself than =)	00:07
Lantizia	i.e. over GPRS/WCDMA/HSDPA as already listed	00:07
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Tamyrlin	Lantizia: Perhaps you could kill the phone/SMS application. Although I'm not sure how to do that	00:07
ZogG	i think than you should talk to your cellular company	00:07
Lantizia	Tamyrlin, if I kill either application then I loose the ability to manage my facebook conversations and make SIP phone calls	00:07
ZogG	!selfkick	00:07
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: basically not possible with standard means.	00:08
Lantizia	As far as I know the Cellular call making and SMS functions are telepathy modules aren't they?	00:08
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ZogG	MohammadAG, can you explaine to me what is closed in UI that prevents us for full portrait mode?	00:08
Lantizia	So if I disable those modules surely the conserations and phone apps can't use them	00:08
ZogG	as i didn't get about popups	00:08
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DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: there might be a way to lock your account at carrier, via service-codes	00:09
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DocScrutinizer	refer to starhash-enabler	00:09
ZogG	BCMM, told ya, new portage update, getting there slowly	00:09
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MohammadAG	ZogG, everything?	00:09
MohammadAG	you need 1 extra line in the source code	00:09
MohammadAG	or I need to patch hildon-desktop to set portrait mode on all windows	00:10
MohammadAG	which isn't exactly clean	00:10
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: * 33 * SPERR-CODE * (Dienstkennung) # http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php	00:10
ZogG	cause not apps themselve can go portrait - right?	00:10
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Lantizia	DocScrutinizer, I'm in the UK	00:11
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: you'll need *#-ena pkg and your carrier has to support this function	00:11
Lantizia	Unlikely	00:11
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, do you need *# package to do it? i thought it works out of box now	00:11
DocScrutinizer	nope	00:12
BCMM_	ZogG: what do you mean by "full portrait mode"? it's my understanding that an applications needs to be modified to work with portrait mode, and thus any program that can't be modified can't have portrait mode added	00:12
DocScrutinizer	not afaik	00:12
DocScrutinizer	ZogG: this is no supplementary SC, like *111#	00:12
ZogG	BCMM_ i mean not apps i mean popups and other stuff, built in stuff	00:12
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DocScrutinizer	it's a 2-digit service code	00:12
DocScrutinizer	those don'	00:12
ZogG	for example internet conection selection	00:12
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DocScrutinizer	t work ootb	00:12
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DocScrutinizer	ZogG: though I haven't tested on 1.3 as I got none :-P	00:14
ZogG	what music players do you use on desktop/laptop/netbook and so on	00:14
DocScrutinizer	amarok	00:15
ZogG	DocScrutinizer do you still use 1.1.1 like an old school ?	00:15
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DocScrutinizer	what else?	00:15
ZogG	DocScrutinizer, amarok is shitty =( but had a great UI	00:15
DocScrutinizer	1.1.1+++ and 1.2++	00:15
ZogG	+++ stands for penis length? =)	00:16
ZogG	DouDouLinux is funny for kids, lol	00:16
DocScrutinizer	no, it stands for 1.3+_PK and a couple of tweaks as listed in my wikipage	00:16
ZogG	i'm using xmms2 but tierd of lack of good client for it =(	00:17
BCMM_	i still use amarok, even though it's sorta variable in quality	00:17
BCMM_	amarok is basically totally brilliant apart from regressions. every release.	00:17
ZogG	i used amarok 1.4 back than but as i don't use kde and don't like it and it brings all libs...	00:17
ZogG	amarok was great in UI as i said especially for huge collections	00:18
ZogG	gmusicbrowser looks nice for my laptop	00:18
ZogG	BCMM, i think i'll go for funtoo on laptop when i'll have time	00:19
BCMM_	amarok 2 is finally alright, ihmo	00:19
ZogG	terrible desing	00:19
ZogG	and that was only one thing good in amarok	00:19
BCMM_	you can lay it out similar to 1.4 now	00:19
ZogG	as it's heavy	00:19
BCMM_	and it has a much nice interface for internet radio now	00:19
ZogG	i don't know i almost don't ahve anythink qt reaaleted on computer aspecially kdelibs releated apps	00:20
ZogG	internet radio is waste of time	00:20
trumee	BCMM_, although they killed the shoutcast streams on it	00:20
ZogG	as it's not great quality	00:20
ZogG	i prefer my V0+flacs collection	00:20
BCMM_	you mean sound quality, or quality of music?	00:20
BCMM_	ah	00:20
ZogG	otherwise i don't need musicplayer i can use websites with music	00:21
ZogG	soundquality	00:21
ZogG	there is no such thing as quality of music as everybody has different taste	00:21
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BCMM_	well, i was wondering which sort of snob you were :)	00:22
BCMM_	you realise that requiring that much quality dismisses all radio ever?	00:23
DocScrutinizer	well, being used from fomer better times to a thorens-MK-III with vacuum table and SME lever, plus appropriate amps and speakers, I have a hard time to find use in any mp3	00:23
ZogG	radio is ok but whne it's background at work or car	00:24
DocScrutinizer	hell, the lever allone was some 500 bucks	00:24
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BCMM_	anyway, i like using the same program for internet radio, since websites don't have stuff like a global hotkey to make it be quiet and so on	00:24
ZogG	BCMM, you have global key for systen	00:24
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ZogG	btw what do you think about OSS	00:24
ZogG	as it's back with OSSSv4	00:25
ZogG	OSSv4	00:25
ZogG	and DocScrutinizer i don't mean open SS if you thought so =)	00:25
DocScrutinizer	what I think? OMG another new fashionable sound system	00:25
DocScrutinizer	ZogG: sorry?	00:26
ZogG	it was joke	00:26
ZogG	relax	00:26
ZogG	german joke	00:26
ZogG	lcuk, why do you still stick up with n800 again?	00:26
DocScrutinizer	I'm always puzzled when I completely miss a joke	00:26
DocScrutinizer	duh, a gernan joke?	00:26
ZogG	SS like in good old german	00:27
ZogG	you know	00:27
DocScrutinizer	no, sorry. No idea	00:27
ZogG	nazi SS	00:27
ZogG	you are killing it	00:27
DocScrutinizer	o.O	00:27
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ZogG	DocScrutinizer, http://www.isdrecords.com/store/images/ss-house-flag001.jpg	00:28
ZogG	damn you	00:28
DocScrutinizer	did I tell you I dn't click random URLs?	00:29
ZogG	nevermind than	00:29
ZogG	i don't know if it's good or bad thing you don't know what i'm talking about	00:29
ZogG	but if i'll continue to explaine they would think i'm nazi jew =)	00:29
DocScrutinizer	I guess it's a good thing	00:29
DocScrutinizer	I honestly have different problems	00:30
ZogG	one side it is but on other side you have to rememeber bad things that were made in history to prevent them	00:30
DocScrutinizer	pff, I prevent them by not thinking about them. I did that in sufficient extent when I was 40 years younger	00:32
DocScrutinizer	nowadays I merely kick skinheads on the rails in the subway	00:32
ieatlint	but i hear all germans are nazis	00:33
ieatlint	and wasn't national socialism even born in bavaria?	00:34
* ieatlint eyes DocScrutinizer		00:34
DocScrutinizer	who cares?	00:34
DocScrutinizer	shall I go decontaminate a smaller town, so the next idiot will get born in Hamburg?	00:35
ieatlint	i'm pretty sure my country has dibs on the next such idiot	00:35
BCMM_	OSS is like BSD. even if they fixed the license now, it's never going to dominate the world	00:36
DocScrutinizer	listen, this is such a boring topic, and the notion you need to watch for history not to duplicate in very detail is quite silly, as history actually never repeats. Next Hitler is probably Putin's successor, or LePen in France. And I don't care until it's time to shoot them	00:37
Lantizia	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68069	00:37
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Lantizia	Have popped the question there instead after confirming my carrier won't disable those services	00:37
lcuk	ZogG, ?	00:38
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lcuk	sorry your question did not make sense	00:38
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: it's basically not possible to block SMS and outbound calls on an open system	00:38
DocScrutinizer	you just can complicate it	00:38
Baldrick	DocScrutinizer, I'm just asking for two modules software modules to be disabled	00:39
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Baldrick	I don't think it is likely to be that impossible	00:39
DocScrutinizer	err, disable sw modules? modprobe -r is doing that?	00:39
ieatlint	i don't think you can disable incoming SMS	00:40
ieatlint	it's part of the radio's fw methinks	00:40
Baldrick	DocScrutinizer, you really have no idea do you? lol	00:40
ieatlint	pretty much same with voice, but you can set call forwarding to voicemail or something	00:41
Baldrick	Forget about it :D	00:41
DocScrutinizer	there's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions	00:41
DocScrutinizer	Baldrick: actually I think I really have no f'ing clue what you are talking about or want to hear from me	00:42
lcuk	Baldrick, missed half this, but there is a tablet mode enabler	00:42
Baldrick	lcuk, yeah you really did miss half of it :P	00:42
SpeedEvil	On microSD controllers - lcuk http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://mobile.163.com/07/0521/11/3F10FR19001117A5_10.html&ei=TOcoTZ-CHY20hAfJzqmQAg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCgQ7gEwAjgK&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ds3c49haa%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26prmd%3Divns	00:43
* lcuk misses the rest then		00:43
DocScrutinizer	and I missed 3/4 of it	00:43
lcuk	no prob Baldrick \o	00:43
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Baldrick	Well this explains in full...	00:43
Baldrick	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68069	00:43
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* SpeedEvil can't find the ds for the s3c49haa.		00:43
MohammadAG	crashanddie, sitrep :P	00:44
DocScrutinizer	s3c49haa samsung sheeva plug CPU?	00:44
crashanddie	MohammadAG: when did you become the project manager?	00:44
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: no	00:44
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: it's a flash controller, found in SD cards	00:45
DocScrutinizer	oooh	00:45
SpeedEvil	2007 vintageish	00:45
DocScrutinizer	I bet the DS is hard to find :-P	00:45
DocScrutinizer	a FTL	00:45
MohammadAG	crashanddie, since the dawn of time	00:45
SpeedEvil	yeah	00:45
DocScrutinizer	I doubt there's such thing like datasheets for those X-D	00:46
BCMM_	Baldrick: wouldn't just not having any numbers in the phone book be a pretty good reminder not to make phone calls?	00:46
BCMM_	this has the advantage that you can ring 911	00:46
MohammadAG	crashanddie, so, sitrep!	00:46
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: yeah - I found a ds for a really old one - CF	00:46
DocScrutinizer	wow	00:47
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crashanddie	MohammadAG: been busy as fuck at work and life	00:47
crashanddie	MohammadAG: haven't had the time to look at stuff	00:47
crashanddie	MohammadAG: also, your messing with directories and shit didn't help	00:47
Baldrick	BCMM, you haven't thought this through lol... what about Skype and SIP calling?	00:47
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, shouldn't 911 call back if I called and dropped the call?	00:47
MohammadAG	crashanddie, I didn't mess with it enough to break API	00:47
DocScrutinizer	usually they home in on you with black helicopters	00:48
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, they didn't, I just remembered my classmate called them when we were in germany	00:48
BCMM_	Baldrick: oh, fair point, using skype to call real phones	00:49
DocScrutinizer	not a big surprise. Here 911 is the code for my hometown	00:49
MohammadAG	o_O	00:49
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, what's germany's emergency number then	00:50
MohammadAG	oh another thing, I might be in germany at summer :P	00:50
DocScrutinizer	international GSM emergency number (well maybe European at least) is 112	00:50
BCMM_	dunno if it's still the case, but in the UK, if you rang 999 by accident and hung up without explaining (on a landline), the police would (eventually) knock on the door and see if you were OK	00:50
Baldrick	MohammadAG, don't suppose you have any ideas on my telepathy question?	00:50
RST38h	Heya Mohammad	00:50
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Baldrick	BCMM, you can't hang up on a 999 call if it's a landline - they have to.	00:51
DocScrutinizer	well, since S7 that's not completely correct anymore	00:52
BCMM_	Baldrick: huh? you mean it stays connected if the caller hangs up then picks up again?	00:53
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BCMM_	that's kinda cool	00:53
MohammadAG	Baldrick, hmm, which one?	00:53
Baldrick	MohammadAG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68069	00:53
Baldrick	BCMM_, indeed... I did it accidentally when I was very young - was doing something with an address book and my elbow caught the number 9 digit 3 or more times	00:54
BCMM_	Baldrick: apparently i dailed 999 as a baby (definitely too young to have been told about 999 or how to dial a phone)	00:54
Baldrick	It's nice that it's one digit (in case the other 9 are broken lol)... but bad since it's easier to accidentally dial the same number 3 times	00:55
MohammadAG	Baldrick, you might be able to delete telepathy-ring, I'm not sure how the device will react to that	00:55
DocScrutinizer	Baldrick: [2011-01-08 23:41:30] <DocScrutinizer> there's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions	00:55
MohammadAG	# dpkg -r telepathy-ring	00:55
Baldrick	But anyway it was impossible to hang up until I explained and they had to hang up	00:55
Baldrick	MohammadAG, will that do SMS too?	00:55
MohammadAG	yes, probably	00:56
MohammadAG	since the conversations app is also telepathy	00:56
Baldrick	MohammadAG, dpkg lists no telepathy-ring	00:56
MohammadAG	I have no idea how the device will react	00:56
MohammadAG	hmm, sec	00:56
DocScrutinizer	meh	00:56
Baldrick	oh it does... sorry	00:56
MohammadAG	ah crap, battery's empty	00:56
Baldrick	MohammadAG, and this won't disable general SIM/Cellular use for like Internet and such?	00:57
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DocScrutinizer	Baldrick: I bet MohammadAG hasn't tested it either	00:57
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MohammadAG	the modem should load fine	00:57
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, no, I didn't, and I won't	00:57
DocScrutinizer	yep, thought as much	00:57
MohammadAG	but since removing telepathy-sprit removes skype...	00:57
Baldrick	I will test it though lol :P Since I want it hehe	00:57
MohammadAG	spirit*	00:58
Baldrick	MohammadAG, any way I can disable the telepathy modules rather than remove?	00:58
DocScrutinizer	YES!	00:58
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DocScrutinizer	Baldrick: [2011-01-08 23:41:30] <DocScrutinizer> there's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions	00:58
Baldrick	You've said that 3 times now	00:58
MohammadAG	move them, or change the config file DocScrutinizer's talking about	00:58
Baldrick	I noticed, really I did lol	00:58
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, having the path to the file helps :P	00:58
Baldrick	I already found /usr/share/osso-rtcom	00:58
DocScrutinizer	alas I have to skim through whole /etc to find it	00:59
MohammadAG	oh	00:59
MohammadAG	find /etc -name telepathy*	00:59
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DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure this will pan out	00:59
Baldrick	Nokia-N900:/etc# find . \| grep telepathy	00:59
Baldrick	./osso-backup/restore.d/always/eds-backend-telepathy-restore-compatibility.sh	00:59
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Baldrick	gonna move /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-ring outa that directory and reboot	01:02
Baldrick	take a chance lol	01:02
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DocScrutinizer	791 ? SLs 0:18 /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sim -p simpb -p sms -p ss	01:05
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DocScrutinizer	what will happen if you start this csd without "-p call -p sms" ??? ;-D	01:06
Robot101	what's the plan?!	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	locking GSM functions except GPRS	01:06
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Lantizia	Well it seems moving telepathy-ring out of there results in zero ability to connect to 3G at all	01:07
Lantizia	only Wiifi	01:07
Lantizia	the phone app still shows cellular mode but the calls don't get made and the conversations app still shows a "new sms" button	01:07
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Lantizia	DocScrutinizer, where did you find that?	01:07
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: you don't expect the apps to deal with this situation in a pleasant way, do you? :-P	01:08
DocScrutinizer	(find) ps	01:08
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Lantizia	right so you don't actually know what calls it then lol	01:08
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DocScrutinizer	no, but I know I've seen what calls it	01:09
Lantizia	What is that then?	01:09
DocScrutinizer	and I know how to find it	01:09
DocScrutinizer	sigh	01:09
DocScrutinizer	Lantizia: I think if you don't know how to fnd the script that starts /usr/sbin/csd, then you also lack the qualification to get your call-locked setup done	01:11
MohammadAG	Lantizia, he means, new sms will always show	01:11
Lantizia	you mean /etc/event.d/sms-manager?	01:11
Lantizia	I think your an elitist snob if I have to be honest, was just a simple question	01:12
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DocScrutinizer	sorry, I'm tired to tell things 3 times without anybody listening, then get asked silly simple to answer questions, that 'only' require me to do the job you are supposed to know how to do as well, and then get insulted for giving advice	01:13
MohammadAG	grep -r "csd -m -p*" /etc/	01:13
DocScrutinizer	or in short: I think you're a moron	01:13
Lantizia	DocScrutinizer, so just a little wound up then? :P	01:13
MohammadAG	settle down kids	01:14
dotblank	I think i am a moron because the autobuilder tells me	01:14
MohammadAG	dotblank, if you think that's enough, try fsck on a mounted partition	01:15
ArGGu^^	Can I get in qt n900 theme name?	01:15
MohammadAG	it calls you a bonehead	01:15
MohammadAG	hildon? maemo5?	01:15
MohammadAG	never really checked, sorry	01:15
dotblank	GAHH!	01:15
MohammadAG	ArGGu^^, you can make a small CMDline app to print all available themes	01:15
dotblank	WHAT is Up!	01:16
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dotblank	with the fing autobuilder	01:16
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ArGGu^^	hmm	01:16
dotblank	seriously did everything I know how and it still won't render the qgraphics view	01:16
dotblank	whoa... something is seriously wrong here	01:16
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ArGGu^^	I have made some tweaking in my irc client for the default theme, but it breaks things in other themes :S	01:17
ArGGu^^	so I would like enable them only when the default theme is in use	01:17
dotblank	ok I need an expert on this now	01:17
MohammadAG	hmm, like what?	01:17
ArGGu^^	MohammadAG are you asking what it breaks?	01:18
dotblank	Either the extras assistant isn't working.. my debain tools isn't working	01:18
dotblank	or the autobuilder is completely broken	01:18
MohammadAG	yeah	01:18
ArGGu^^	it makes some widgets look really bad :S	01:18
MohammadAG	dotblank, what's up?	01:18
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dotblank	MohammadAG, ok I upload my .changes to the maemo extras assistant. it then compiles and imports the package	01:19
dotblank	but the the output binaries are completely wrong	01:19
MohammadAG	how wrong are we talking?	01:20
dotblank	but its wrong in odd ways.. its like its ignoring my ui files or its not actually compiling the code i uploaded instead some older version	01:20
dotblank	oh wait...	01:21
dotblank	UI think i figured it out	01:21
dotblank	the version numbers.. I had uplaoded 0.4-12	01:21
DocScrutinizer	cat /etc/default/csd	01:21
dotblank	but my earlier versions are 0.4-9	01:21
dotblank	so what happens.. is that its actually compiling or still using my older packages	01:22
MohammadAG	ArGGu^^, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qstylefactory.html#keys	01:22
dotblank	I need to increment it to 0.5	01:22
MohammadAG	you do know importing happens each 30 minutes right?	01:22
dotblank	ah ha!	01:22
MohammadAG	0.4-12 should be fine	01:23
DocScrutinizer	PLUGINDIR=/usr/lib/csd/plugins; ...; for PLUGIN in $PLUGINDIR/libcsd-.so $PLUGINDIR/libcsd-.so.1.0.0... >>/etc/event.d/csd	01:23
MohammadAG	12 > 5	01:23
MohammadAG	err, 12 > 9	01:23
dotblank	MohammadAG, http://maemo.org/packages/view/groove/	01:23
dotblank	Go ahead and download the source package for groove the latest one	01:23
dotblank	and compare it to the one available in the repos	01:24
DocScrutinizer	mv /usr/lib/csd/plugins/libcsd-call.so /usr/lib/csd/plugins/libcsd-call.so_disabled	01:24
MohammadAG	umm	01:25
MohammadAG	both are -14?	01:25
DocScrutinizer	cya peeps	01:25
dotblank	yea but if you compile my -14 in sbox	01:25
dotblank	and compare it to the one in the repo	01:25
dotblank	its like its two completely different programs.. I don't have funky ifdefs or anything like that	01:26
dotblank	its like it untars the files then grabs the latest one with a simple alphabet filter	01:26
dotblank	and uses that	01:26
dotblank	but it never deleted my older version	01:27
dotblank	like my program should segfault instead of being different	01:27
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MohammadAG	dotblank, sec	01:27
* MohammadAG changes batteries		01:27
dotblank	if the elements arn't even working in the new version	01:27
MohammadAG	dotblank, unrelated, but till my device boots, did you try getting sound working in silent mode?	01:28
dotblank	MohammadAG, not yet	01:28
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dotblank	I've been working on playlist and other things	01:28
MohammadAG	playlist?	01:30
dotblank	for groove.. so you can see modify and add songs	01:30
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ArGGu^^	MohammadAG found a solution "/etc/hildon/theme/index.theme" file has the name of the theme that is in use. :)	01:34
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MohammadAG	ArGGu^^, ah, that	01:35
MohammadAG	ArGGu^^, /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to the current theme actually	01:35
MohammadAG	that's how my FOSS mediaplayer is themed already	01:35
ArGGu^^	ok	01:35
MohammadAG	dotblank, you might be able to edit the policy file, lots of apps do that	01:36
MohammadAG	also, is your makefile cleaning up all binaries and .h ui files?	01:36
dotblank	yea	01:37
dotblank	the make file is auto-generated by qmake	01:38
dotblank	and qmake is aware of all files used	01:38
lcuk	has anyone seen March the 27th?	01:38
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MohammadAG	dotblank, yep, policy file works	01:39
MohammadAG	[stream]	01:39
MohammadAG	exe = groove	01:39
dotblank	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/groove_0.5-01/armel.build.log.OK.txt	01:39
MohammadAG	group = player	01:39
MohammadAG	adding that to /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf allows playback in silent mode	01:39
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dotblank	MohammadAG, Awesome is there anyw ay you can do per file configuration like policy.d/	01:42
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dotblank	MohammadAG, actually I think you may be right about cleaning up	01:47
dotblank	I think its not eleteing the old files from previous builds	01:47
rtyler	bought my wife an Android-powered HTC G2 today	01:47
rtyler	makes me really wish we had some better integration with web services in Maemo	01:47
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dotblank	make[1]: Entering directory `/home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/groove-0.5/builddir'	01:48
MohammadAG	dotblank, not sure, most apps just edit the file directly	01:48
MohammadAG	dotblank, what's with the qmaemo5rotater class?	01:49
MohammadAG	you can just set autorotation to true now with Qt +4.6.2	01:49
dotblank	Yea I had some issues and there were bugs with it..	01:50
MohammadAG	also, it kinda makes rotation messy, it always rotates even when the keyboard is closed	01:50
dotblank	Don't know if its fixed now	01:50
MohammadAG	dotblank, get rid of it	01:51
MohammadAG	just use setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5Autorotation, true)	01:51
dotblank	Alright, I'll see if I can do that.. I remeber setting autorotation didn't do everything	01:51
MohammadAG	or was it Rotation	01:51
MohammadAG	meh, Qt Creator will autocomplete	01:51
dotblank	I used to use that method	01:51
MohammadAG	hmm?	01:51
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MohammadAG	what do you mean by everything?	01:52
dotblank	turns out it would bug out	01:52
MohammadAG	it works for the foss mediaplayer and that does weird rotation magic with it :p	01:52
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MohammadAG	like relocating widgets and flipping layouts	01:52
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dotblank	maybe they fixed it in qt 4.7?	01:52
MohammadAG	it's been working perfectly fine for me	01:53
dotblank	It was such a long time ago, I can't exactly remeber why I couldn't use it	01:53
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dotblank	maybe I can since its all one window now	01:53
MohammadAG	also, one suggestion	01:53
MohammadAG	you could wrap this with ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5	01:54
MohammadAG	could you disable horizontal scrolling?	01:54
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dotblank	alright I can try to disable it.. but I think it has more to do with kinetic srolling.. I thought most of everything was wrapped in that ifdef	01:54
dotblank	everything buildds fine on my linux box	01:55
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dotblank	I forgot to disable the the horizontal scrollbar in the playlist	01:55
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dotblank	also I think I found a memory leak with QAbstarctTableModel data() function	01:56
dotblank	in the playlist class	01:56
MohammadAG	dude	01:56
MohammadAG	that's an awesome portrait keyboard you have there	01:56
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dotblank	was that an insult?	01:56
dotblank	because its very basic	01:57
lcuk	GAN900, give sjgadsby a clip round the earlobe	01:57
MohammadAG	no, it was a compliment	01:57
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dotblank	now I remember	01:57
MohammadAG	it's actually very nice	01:57
dotblank	thats why I couldn't use the qt attribute for rotation	01:57
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dotblank	it bugged the dialog window out	01:57
MohammadAG	why?	01:57
MohammadAG	oh, that shouldn't happen now, if the dialog is parented	01:58
dotblank	when I flipped it back to normal and I exited the dialog it would revert back to portrait	01:58
lardman_	night chaps	01:58
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MohammadAG	dotblank, make the dialog a parent of the window, and it should be fine	01:58
dotblank	MohammadAG, which version of groove are you using? one you buiolt or from the package manager?	01:58
MohammadAG	built one	01:59
MohammadAG	err	01:59
MohammadAG	from repos	01:59
MohammadAG	actually, it's kinda old	01:59
* MohammadAG sends fresh deb		01:59
dotblank	MohammadAG, I ahve a git	01:59
dotblank	you can pull from	01:59
MohammadAG	dotblank, got -14 installed	02:00
dotblank	well if its fromt he repo that doesn't mean much	02:00
dotblank	you are missing the playlist and progress bar and some accelerators	02:01
dotblank	that should have been in the latest build	02:01
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MohammadAG	where's the git?	02:02
dotblank	git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/groove	02:03
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dotblank	Also this build is the first time I subclassed a tablemodel	02:04
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dotblank	I noticed it was acting a bit sluggish	02:04
dotblank	proabably memory leaking all over the place	02:04
dotblank	should not have folowed the example from this qt book	02:04
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MohammadAG	I'm kinda pissed how maemo's repo doesn't work in the sdk	02:11
MohammadAG	actually	02:11
MohammadAG	it's failing outside the SDK too this time	02:12
Gyjf	im kinda pissed about the sdk randomly stopped working	02:12
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dotblank	i'm kinda pissed how the autobuilder doesn't work	02:15
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dotblank	it STILL isn't right	02:15
MohammadAG	dotblank, maemo.org's garage git page isn't even replying	02:16
MohammadAG	error: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing https://vcs.maemo.org/git/groove/info/refs	02:16
MohammadAG	fatal: HTTP request failed	02:16
dotblank	its like the autobuilder is like: lolwut? you want ui files, nah you don't need ui files and I'll just somehow create my own without causing your program to segfault	02:16
dotblank	yea you ahve to git no ssl verify	02:17
dotblank	export GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1	02:17
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dotblank	MohammadAG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=915356#post915356	02:18
dotblank	I uploaded a binary	02:18
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MohammadAG	QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_list_clicked() dotblank	02:19
dotblank	thats odd my sdk works with it	02:20
rtyler	aw crap, maemo.org is resetting connections for me	02:20
lcuk	you lose connetions, i lose days.	02:20
lcuk	meh	02:20
dotblank	maemo.org is very spotty	02:20
dotblank	It takes a year to update my sdk	02:21
rtyler	how many machines power it? just the one?	02:21
dotblank	MohammadAG, is that when running or compiling	02:21
MohammadAG	dotblank, sec, I'll try the latest source	02:21
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dotblank	ok it seems like just the .ui files are somehow outdated or invalid	02:25
dotblank	or produces different names	02:25
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MohammadAG	dotblank, are you sured you removed ui* files before sending it?	02:26
dotblank	well you don't remove the .ui files but you remove the autgenerated header files from the .ui files	02:27
dotblank	qmake makes the ui_header.h	02:28
dotblank	from the .ui	02:28
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MohammadAG	yes	02:28
MohammadAG	I know :P	02:28
MohammadAG	ui* doesn't include those, that would be *ui	02:28
dotblank	whoa	02:29
dotblank	you may be on to something	02:29
dotblank	just noticed 3 ui* files	02:29
MohammadAG	ui_*.h?	02:30
dotblank	ui_bottombar.h	02:30
dotblank	ui_topbar.h	02:30
dotblank	ui_vkb.h	02:30
dotblank	lol I thought those were not tracked by git	02:30
MohammadAG	make clean before pushing	02:31
rtyler	I wonder if I could donate some hosting resources to help make maemo.org suck less	02:31
dotblank	odd...	02:31
dotblank	really odd	02:31
MohammadAG	if you're using Qt Creator, it copies files instead of building in the source dir, so use that ;)	02:31
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dotblank	they arn't tracked by git and make clean doesn't remove them	02:32
MohammadAG	rtyler, talk to X-Fade	02:32
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rtyler	X-Fade: I have been instructed to bother you	02:33
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dotblank	MohammadAG, I think you may have found the issue	02:33
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dotblank	It turns out those exact files wern't getting cleaned up by make	02:33
MohammadAG	weird, it should o_O	02:33
dotblank	for some odd reason	02:33
MohammadAG	if the ui files are in the .pro file	02:34
MohammadAG	qmake; make clean should remove them	02:34
dotblank	well after manually deleting them	02:34
dotblank	then running qmake make and make clean	02:34
dotblank	everything was fine	02:34
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MohammadAG	I suppose me helping you earns me a free song from grooveshark	02:35
MohammadAG	oh wait... :p	02:35
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dotblank	I can finally upload a working .changes file now	02:38
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dotblank	hmm having a Qicon in a mdoelview seems to really slow things down	03:04
dotblank	modelview*	03:04
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mikki-kun	hm, have the tracker-database files changed their place where they used to be?	03:08
mikki-kun	and if not, can somebody tell me how they were named?	03:08
lcuk	dotblank, for which part is the slowness coming?	03:09
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lcuk	is it extracting the icon data from the model, or mere fact you have an icon on the view?	03:09
dotblank	lcuk, I can't exactly place it but my custom QAbstractTableModel is very sluggish in the tableview	03:10
lcuk	(ie, is it as slow if you have a single static icon that does not change to data)	03:10
dotblank	I think its because the fact the icon is three	03:10
dotblank	there	03:10
dotblank	I made it so on each data request it pulls a pointer to the qvariant holding the icon	03:10
lcuk	does it require conversion to extract it out of your model?	03:10
lcuk	ahh	03:11
dotblank	so its not like its loading a new icon everytime it fetches data	03:11
lcuk	and what is the native data type it then gets converted to?	03:11
lcuk	a QImage?	03:11
dotblank	its just a .png file in a qrc file.. I construct the icon in the constructor of the class and a build a qvariant on the data request	03:12
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lcuk	why do you use QVariant if the datatype is known?	03:12
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dotblank	well I have to return Qvaraint to fit the abstract table model implementation	03:13
dotblank	QVariant playlist::data(const QModelIndex &index, int role) const	03:13
dotblank	if(play->currentplaying()==index.row())	03:13
dotblank	dat = QVariant(*play->icon);	03:13
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dotblank	I wonder if its converting the icon into somethign usable by QVariant each time	03:14
lcuk	well to work that out, store it as a qvariant inside play object	03:14
dotblank	yup, was just about to do that	03:15
lcuk	but theres other heavy things going on there	03:15
dotblank	http://pastebin.com/PcLf9XtY	03:15
dotblank	maybe there is something really time consuming going on	03:16
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lcuk	dotblank, how many times does ::data(...) get called? once per visible cell on screen at that time?	03:17
lcuk	or once per visible uninitialised cell?	03:17
lcuk	(ie, does it cache the cell data whilst its on screen	03:17
dotblank	when ever the tableModel updates.. it seems when a show() or anytime asomeone clicks the individual cell	03:17
dotblank	its slowest during dragging	03:17
lcuk	yeah for sure	03:18
dotblank	I also think it may be related to edit mode trying to call drag methods and thats not there	03:18
lcuk	so it is intelligent enough to only request visual items	03:18
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dotblank	lcuk, yea I think so	03:18
lcuk	ie on a 10k list it only wants data from 25 visible rows	03:18
lcuk	or similar	03:18
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MohammadAG	dotblank, try using a QPixmap	03:19
dotblank	lcuk, yea and you can actually send an update signal to tell the model to update modelindexes	03:19
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MohammadAG	actually, sec	03:19
MohammadAG	have a look at http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/nowplayingindicator.cpp	03:19
MohammadAG	it does a repaint every 100ms, and doesn't slow down scrolling	03:20
MohammadAG	though I'm sure you're not doing it every 100ms	03:20
dotblank	I think whats really going on is that I didn't have edit mode off on my tableview	03:20
dotblank	so its trying to send edit methods	03:21
dotblank	and because of kinetic scrolling drag and drop is really slow/buggy	03:21
lcuk	its probably just qt being a bitch	03:21
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dotblank	well it doesn't happen with QStandardItemModels	03:21
lcuk	any chance you could make a simple testcase highlighting this	03:21
dotblank	well I think its my fault	03:22
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lcuk	MohammadAG, why are you only refreshing 1/10 second?	03:22
lcuk	instead of on demand	03:22
dotblank	or the QVariant really doesn't support QIcon and each time it calls QVaraint(QIcon()) it does some conversion	03:22
MohammadAG	lcuk, cause it's animated	03:22
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jef91	Anyone had any luck getting yahoo! mail working on the n900?	03:23
jef91	Tried a couple methods I've found online and yet to have one work	03:23
dotblank	does yahoo support imap?	03:24
jef91	No idea.	03:24
jef91	Girlfriend's POS email account. Wish she would change to gmail xD	03:24
GeneralAntilles	lcuk: huh?	03:25
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lcuk	GeneralAntilles, he Thanked! my facepalm post :P	03:25
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dotblank	lcuk, I tried some of the changes	03:28
dotblank	no dice	03:28
pupnik	any of you remember an xkbd layout with arrow keys?	03:28
lcuk	dotblank, try just not assigning icon for a test	03:28
dotblank	lcuk, ok just did.. the icon doesn't seem to effect it at all	03:31
dotblank	its something.. else	03:31
AndrewX192	http://www.speedtest.net/result/1103286387.png !	03:31
dotblank	brb I smell something burning	03:32
lcuk	dotblank, simple testcase is best. remove the problem from the bulk of your code	03:32
lcuk	eek	03:32
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dotblank	back	03:37
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dotblank	well looks like i'll have to work this out later	03:37
dotblank	thanks for all your help lcuk and MohammadAG	03:37
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new-n900	i've loaded several movies to my new n900, but a few of them say that the audio codec is unsupported. is there a player (like vlc) that plays almost all formats?	06:35
beford	mplayer	06:35
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Arkenoi	is there a proper way to relaunch mycontacts widget on boot without manual intervention?	06:37
chx	funny in my experience (though on PC) vlc played more than mplayer	06:37
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Termana	good morning	06:44
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DocScrutinizer	good morning :-D	07:50
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pupnik	nice, dawnmist finished her angband-sdl port http://www.dawnmist.net/angband/	09:37
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* trumee it sucks to find cpu usage is 20% higher on a streaming ogg stream compared to an mp3 stream		11:15
pupnik	there are alternative low-cpu ogg decoders	11:15
pupnik	taiwanese manufacturer announces dual-dpad handhelds http://www.golem.de/1101/80598.html	11:15
pupnik	looks like the pupnik 770	11:15
trumee	pupnik, do they work with mediaplayer?	11:16
pupnik	i don't think anyone has tried	11:16
trumee	pupnik, iirc there was an article comparing ogg decoders but there was no info on how to install the decoder	11:17
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pupnik	i'm sure some people would appreciate such a thing	11:18
pupnik	if you do it	11:18
trumee	dsp supported, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/	11:22
RobbieThe1st	Hm... I think Rockbox uses gstreamer.. so if this DSP-based ogg decoder uses that...	11:23
trumee	RobbieThe1st, tmo seems to suggest lardman knows a bit about it. and it doesnt work at present	11:25
RobbieThe1st	darn	11:25
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trumee	RobbieThe1st, http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/gst-av-0-3-better-performance-for-vorbis-and-mp3/	11:37
* MohammadAG hates independant maemo sites		11:38
MohammadAG	have all releases under tmo	11:38
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FIQ\|n900	is the bug which when items in a select box with different values but same name, microB always selects the first one, known?	11:41
FIQ\|n900	and if not, how do i file a bug?	11:42
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toresbe	Hey, I'm having I/O errors with my SDHC card. :(	12:34
toresbe	Any quick hints for me..?	12:34
toresbe	Sequential accessing works fine. I can dd without triggering errors, but random accessing causes I/O errors.	12:35
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toresbe	[44952.705322] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 13099008, nr 8, card status 0xc00	12:36
toresbe	Any way of interpreting this?	12:36
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timeless_mbp	oh... that's right, windows 7's address book lets you search by phone number :o	12:41
timeless_mbp	(ovi suite's phone number search is limited to the first phone number in a contact	12:41
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timeless_mbp	hrm	12:47
* timeless_mbp wonders just how stupid conversations is		12:47
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zlimvos	hey guys, i'm about to travel to asia for a month, i was looking for a software that will help me locate myself on the map offline, and apparently there are so many nowdays. (such as maep). any opinions which one to choose if not maep?	12:53
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: ping	12:54
timeless_mbp	pong	12:54
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: did you know about a scrolling bug in MicroB?	12:55
timeless_mbp	on phone	12:55
Venemo_N900	k	12:55
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: it is a rather annoying bug. could you confirm it?	13:05
timeless_mbp	describe?	13:05
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: open the bookmarks window	13:06
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: scroll down just a little bit so that only the half of the bottom-most item is visible	13:07
* timeless_mbp has 0 browser windows open and launches 'Browser' which yields a 'Browser Bookmarks' window with a location bar		13:07
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timeless_mbp	ok, half of Bug me not (something) is visible	13:07
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: then try to scroll by dragging the bottom-most item	13:09
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: for me, the list jumps immediately, instead of normal kinetic scrolling	13:09
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: this occourse to me regardless of where I am in the bookmarks list, the only condition is that the bottommost item is only partially visible and you try to scrolll by dragging that	13:10
timeless_mbp	Venemo_N900: doesn't seem to be limited to the last item	13:10
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timeless_mbp	or rather, it seems that if i tap the last visible item, i get this behavior	13:11
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: yes. I meant the bottommost currently visible item	13:11
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timeless_mbp	ok, in file manager/contacts it just snaps into view	13:12
timeless_mbp	we're clearly doing something else	13:12
timeless_mbp	Venemo_N900: please note that this is not microb	13:12
timeless_mbp	microb=gecko+api wrappings	13:12
timeless_mbp	bookmarks has virtually nothing to do w/ gecko	13:12
timeless_mbp	(heck, it uses its own proprietary file format [XBEL] instead of the gecko one)	13:13
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: what I find interesting is that this behaviour is only present in microb	13:13
* timeless_mbp slaps Venemo_N900		13:13
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timeless_mbp	not microb	13:13
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: ok, not microb	13:13
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: but why can't I reproduce this in other apps?	13:14
* timeless_mbp blames ui designers		13:14
toresbe	god damnit. this thing just refuses to work.	13:15
toresbe	it's the combination of seeking and writing that causes write errors to the card.	13:15
timeless_mbp	good combination	13:15
toresbe	it's one of the better as I-O operations go	13:16
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: so, has noone noticed this bug yet?	13:16
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timeless_mbp	wrong question	13:19
timeless_mbp	ask not whether it is unnoticed but rather whether it is reported	13:19
Venemo_N900	is it?	13:19
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timeless_mbp	sorry, busy dealing w/ an email from friday	13:23
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timeless_mbp	did you search bugs.maemo.org?	13:23
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: no	13:23
timeless_mbp	please try	13:23
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timeless_mbp	iirc bookmarks has its own component	13:23
timeless_mbp	which means you can just browse through all bookmarks bugs	13:24
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: ok	13:25
timeless_mbp	actually, i can't check the internal bug tracker at this time	13:26
timeless_mbp	you'd have to ask someone else	13:26
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pupnik	mount -o remount,uid=100,fmask=0077,dmask=0077 /mnt_data isn't giving me write perms on vfat	13:31
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7498	13:31
povbot	Bug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes that item to jump to the top	13:31
timeless_mbp	Venemo_N900: so much for our users not being willing to file a bug report :)	13:32
* timeless_mbp is proud of our users		13:32
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: actually, you commented on it	13:33
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: "in fact it was fixed in January but missed the last n boats because no one from	13:33
Venemo_N900	management approved it.	13:33
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Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: your management is nuts.	13:33
timeless_mbp	no argument from me :)	13:33
timeless_mbp	Venemo_N900: but please don't complain about me commenting in a bug implying i'm going to remember it	13:34
timeless_mbp	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=reporter&query_format=report-table&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap&emailreporter1=1	13:36
* timeless_mbp hopes that link works		13:36
timeless_mbp	yeah	13:36
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: don't take it as a complaint	13:36
timeless_mbp	keep in mind that's just some bugs i've reported	13:36
Venemo_N900	timeless_mbp: I myself would've forgotten something I commented on months ago	13:36
timeless_mbp	ok :)	13:37
Venemo_N900	yes, works	13:37
Venemo_N900	nice	13:37
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Venemo_N900	bye-bye now. I'll be back later	13:52
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juk	google translate used espeak, recently they switched to more human like version, what is that, is it available?	13:53
juk	i mean is it os?	13:53
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lcuk	morning \o	13:54
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juk	hi, lcuk	13:56
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lcuk	hey juk	14:05
lcuk	apart from translators whats happening	14:05
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khertan	Morning	14:07
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MohammadAG	morning	14:15
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lcuk	hey MohammadAG and khertan	14:18
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MohammadAG	hey lcuk	14:19
* MohammadAG grumbles at chemists		14:19
* lcuk grumbles at missing days		14:19
* MohammadAG checks calendar - not the 27th of March yet		14:20
MohammadAG	lcuk, what missing days :p	14:20
lcuk	:D	14:20
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lcuk	MohammadAG, its like the anti-thesis of a leap year	14:24
lcuk	2011 will have 364 days	14:24
MohammadAG	going back to a non kinetic scrolling xchat is weird	14:24
MohammadAG	lcuk, the iPhone skips hours, in 24 days liqbase will be in sync with the iPhone	14:25
lcuk	iphone can never be as fast as liqbase :P	14:26
* MohammadAG would disagree, but he tested an N8 against an iPhone 4 and the N8 turned out smoother, and liqbase is kinda faster than Symbian^3 :p		14:27
BCMM	MohammadAG: there is a kinetic scrolling xchat?	14:27
* MohammadAG ponders improving on dotblank's portrait kb in Qt		14:27
BCMM	or just a different IRC client?	14:28
MohammadAG	BCMM, private build, sort of	14:28
BCMM	hmph.	14:28
BCMM	MohammadAG: what does that mean?	14:28
MohammadAG	it means i didn't publicize patches	14:28
MohammadAG	and it's only side bars, not the channel text	14:28
BCMM	oh	14:29
DocScrutinizer	moo	14:29
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MohammadAG	oh and the channel picker	14:33
MohammadAG	err, network picker	14:33
MohammadAG	moo DocScrutinizer	14:33
juk	you guys have mornings?	14:34
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juk	oops forgot to scroll	14:35
DocScrutinizer	eh?	14:35
DocScrutinizer	~ugt	14:35
infobot	[ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html	14:35
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juk	ah	14:36
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MohammadAG	~seen _nicolai	14:41
infobot	i haven't seen '_nicolai', MohammadAG	14:41
MohammadAG	hmm	14:42
MohammadAG	~seen _nicolai_	14:42
infobot	_nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-328.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 37m 3s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?'.	14:42
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* Termana kicks Chrome for being a knob		14:50
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MohammadAG	Termana, heh, what did he do?	14:51
lcuk	won't that dent it?	14:52
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MohammadAG	lcuk, I'm guessing he's talking about the tmo user	14:52
MohammadAG	:P	14:52
Termana	MohammadAG, I was trying to upload an essay to my Uni and the deadline is within the hour. Chrome wouldn't do it. Luckily I checked whether Firefox would	14:52
Termana	No, I mean the browser :p	14:53
MohammadAG	oh, that chrome	14:53
Termana	Yes, POS :( I am unhappy with it now. I will give it the silent treatment	14:53
MohammadAG	only thing I like about Chrome is the Uploading (XX%) part	14:53
MohammadAG	Termana, make it quick, I hate watching painful slow deaths	14:54
Termana	:p	14:54
DocScrutinizer	sooooo what's new?	15:00
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, this year only has 364 days.	15:01
DocScrutinizer	.oO(???)	15:01
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=915331&postcount=15	15:02
DocScrutinizer	osso-callendar gone nuts?	15:02
DocScrutinizer	omg	15:03
maybeWTF	damn nokia internet tablets stealing whole days :/	15:04
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: count them all, maybe there's much more missing	15:04
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, nope	15:04
lcuk	just that one day	15:04
lcuk	although there is potential to get it back in the autumn	15:05
lcuk	but I did not check that	15:05
DocScrutinizer	liqcallendar is a sneaky bastard	15:05
lcuk	I think perhaps it will duplicate a day lol	15:05
* lcuk checks		15:05
DocScrutinizer	muhaha, DST or what?	15:05
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DocScrutinizer	ah, odd months	15:06
lcuk	dst actuall	15:06
lcuk	see next comment	15:06
lcuk	to notice the bug itself	15:06
lcuk	hehe	15:08
lcuk	yeah	15:08
lcuk	its ok guys, theres no missing day	15:08
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lcuk	October 30th however will be repeated	15:08
DocScrutinizer	it just moved	15:08
DocScrutinizer	happy marriage	15:08
DocScrutinizer	\o/	15:08
DocScrutinizer	next year there will be many little dailies	15:09
* DocScrutinizer ponders if he likes years with even more days in them. And then baby days, eeew		15:10
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talineo	hi, after advices from some guys here, I'm building a kernel with initramfs to try and save my n810 after a stupid update of udev. The problem is that I need the BME driver which I do not know where to find and that I cannot get from my own device ...	15:32
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pupnik	bme is closed	15:42
zogg_	my door is closed	15:43
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DocScrutinizer	anyway iirc bme is not really a kernel module driver, so you just need to copy the binary to your rootfs, and it should work	15:48
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talineo	DocScrutinizer: thanks, so I don't need it to boot, but still need to find it, and other says it's closed so ...	15:49
DocScrutinizer	it's closed	15:50
DocScrutinizer	and for basic boot it's not needed - just for battery charging	15:51
DocScrutinizer	I just hope you'll not suffer from a bootloop when bme isn't available and some dsme or other master decides this isn't bearable and requires a full reboot	15:53
talineo	my battery is half, I need to boot with minimal kernel with busybox to chroot and downgrade my udev or at least backup /home before flashing	15:53
DocScrutinizer	hmm, I see	15:53
VladNistor	i copied a font to /usr/share/fonts. do i need to reboot to be able to use it? :-?	15:53
DocScrutinizer	VladNistor: I'd guess definitely not	15:54
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VladNistor	DocScrutinizer, thanks. It can't find it in theme customizer or the advanced clock plugin though :-?	15:55
DocScrutinizer	I don't know of any process that establishes and keeps a lock or link to all existing fonts during boot, and keeps these	15:55
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VladNistor	yeah, i don't either, this is strange :)	15:56
DocScrutinizer	it's more likely that there's some "inventory" file where the font need to get listed	15:56
talineo	VladNistor: If you copied it like that you will need to use some mkfontscale/mkfontdir to update your fonts, add it to the xorg conf and restart xorg. That's what I would do on a classical pc. I don't how much it apply on your device.	15:56
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VladNistor	thanks talineo. i didn't know fonts go in xorg.conf, u sure?	15:58
talineo	Section "Files" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"	15:59
DocScrutinizer	talineo: have you considered using/booting a completely alternative OS, like mer or meego? then just mount the former rootfs of diablo and copy out your home from there	15:59
talineo	sorry for the display	15:59
VladNistor	oh, alright, thanks	15:59
DocScrutinizer	talineo: I suggest to ping stskeeps in #meego(-arm). He knows a lot about booting N810 with alternative rootfs and OS	16:01
talineo	DocScrutinizer: thanks I will go and pick informations there	16:02
DocScrutinizer	talineo: maybe even #mer	16:02
DocScrutinizer	I'm absolutely sure there's been a decently working mer distri for N810, and stskeeps was the one to do this amazing piece of work	16:03
VladNistor	would the rescue init from meego not work? i used it once to get to my data on n900	16:04
DocScrutinizer	he's on #mer	16:04
talineo	DocScrutinizer: that sounds good	16:04
VladNistor	DocScrutinizer, talineo, a reboot does the trick with the font :)	16:04
DocScrutinizer	VladNistor: I'm not sure it will work for N810	16:04
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VladNistor	yeah, might not, i'm not familiar with the N810	16:04
DocScrutinizer	(meego initrd)	16:05
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DocScrutinizer	talineo: anyway, a test might not hurt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd	16:07
VladNistor	yeah, that's the one i was referring to	16:08
talineo	DocScrutinizer: will look at it, I just want not to test too much, because my battery is just half and some says me I shouldn't drain it too much	16:09
DocScrutinizer	this is a nondestructive way to load a mini-OS to ram and boot from there, so storage won't get touched. Basic operation principles should apply to N810 as well	16:09
DocScrutinizer	yeah, battery is a big concern	16:09
DocScrutinizer	so better ask stskeeps. He's the expert :-D	16:10
VladNistor	hahaha, my phone is in Ancient	16:10
DocScrutinizer	talineo: by any chance you are familiar with electric things?	16:11
talineo	DocScrutinizer: talking with Stskeeps right now	16:12
DocScrutinizer	oh, good	16:12
DocScrutinizer	you can't get better advice	16:12
talineo	DocScrutinizer: electric things is far ... (I was at school then)	16:12
DocScrutinizer	ok, nm then	16:12
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DocScrutinizer	(otherwise I might have pointed you to options of external charging and feeding N810 with alien PSU via battery contacts. But that's for copper dudes)	16:15
DocScrutinizer	(except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) )	16:17
DocScrutinizer	also I got a spare of all my important devices :-D	16:18
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talineo	DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps pointed a link to use my n900 battery on my n810	16:21
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DocScrutinizer	yep, should work	16:25
DocScrutinizer	though a bit icky	16:25
talineo	http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2009/12/charging-bl-5j-n900-battery-in-n810.html	16:25
talineo	yes a bit !	16:25
DocScrutinizer	needs quite a bit of pressure for mine	16:25
DocScrutinizer	and contacts still are shaky	16:26
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DocScrutinizer	alas it's probably hard to charge the BP-4L in N900 :-)	16:29
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talineo	DocScrutinizer: yep for the n900, I didn't make the same mistakes, I have a spare battery with a charger	16:30
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DocScrutinizer	heh, the charger might work for BP-4L, no?	16:31
talineo	DocScrutinizer: no just the size for the BL5	16:31
DocScrutinizer	;-/	16:31
pupnik	pupnik uses a spare universal charger	16:32
DocScrutinizer	[2011-01-09 15:17:04] <DocScrutinizer> (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) )	16:32
pupnik	yes	16:32
chx	is it worth such a hacking when a universal lion charger is ten bucks?	16:35
chx	I bought http://www.amazon.com/PPUCLIP-Universal-Charger-Adjustable-Contacts/dp/B001RGYZJS this with my second battery. Works.	16:36
talineo	chx: interresting :)	16:38
chx	it's SUCH a bummer that you need to hack and trick and whatnot for a hotswap with the N900 :(	16:39
DocScrutinizer	hotswap batteries?	16:42
DocScrutinizer	chx: it's not that bad really	16:43
chx	no?	16:43
DocScrutinizer	no	16:43
chx	have it advanced since i read?	16:43
chx	it sounded like some serious magick	16:44
DocScrutinizer	plug in charger, reduce screen brightness to min and make sure screen won't dim for 30s. stop bme, swap battery, start bme	16:44
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: i never managed to do it	16:45
DocScrutinizer	you might want to enter flight mode prior to this, as modem is definitely using too much power	16:45
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: I did it some 10 days ago, just dor fun. AIUI MohammadAG is doing that 5 times a day	16:46
MohammadAG	hehe, I always swap without doing anything	16:46
MohammadAG	I did it on 3G and full brightness once	16:46
MohammadAG	well, 4/5 brightness actually	16:46
MohammadAG	so it's just connect charger, stop bme, swap batteries, remove charger, start bme	16:46
DocScrutinizer	well, bq24150 might deliver as much as 1000mA@4V, to stand-in for the battery	16:47
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, more, my battery inflated a bit more recently so it has a lifetime of 2h	16:47
* MohammadAG 's looking at hildon-desktop's source		16:47
MohammadAG	trying to change blur to darkening	16:47
MohammadAG	i.e instead of blurring dialogs and such, darken the background	16:48
jacekowski	i don't get it	16:48
MohammadAG	a lot less intensive on the SGX, and should be quite faster	16:48
jacekowski	what you do to these batteries	16:48
jacekowski	i never had battery that got pregnant	16:48
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DocScrutinizer	meh, better add a keyboard shortcut to MHD for getting to desktop and to applauncher menu, from window switcher screen	16:49
MohammadAG	jacekowski, got 3 batteries, can't find 1, 1's "pregnant", the other is umm, weird	16:49
jacekowski	got 2	16:49
jacekowski	one is in my phone	16:49
jacekowski	second is new one that i have to swap one day	16:49
DocScrutinizer	I got 3 and all are fine	16:50
DocScrutinizer	I guess MohammadAG's external charger is a bit harsh to the batteries	16:50
DocScrutinizer	wouldn't be surprised	16:51
DocScrutinizer	decent charger chips are "expensive"	16:51
jacekowski	oO	16:51
trumee	DocScrutinizer: any recommended external charger?	16:51
jacekowski	that spring in back piece of case	16:52
jacekowski	battery cover	16:52
jacekowski	that holds that tilting thing	16:52
jacekowski	just came off	16:52
DocScrutinizer	trumee: sorry, I never got any external charger, so I really can't judge about their quality	16:52
Claudio_1232	can i install maemo on my motorola e8 ?	16:52
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: known issue	16:52
DocScrutinizer	Claudio_1232: no	16:52
trumee	DocScrutinizer: you use N900 to charge all the 3 batteries?	16:53
DocScrutinizer	Claudio_1232: you might be more lucky with meego	16:53
DocScrutinizer	trumee: sure	16:53
Claudio_1232	is there any other OS for motorola e8 ?	16:53
DocScrutinizer	I got 2 of them, so basically just one fake spare battery	16:53
trumee	DocScrutinizer: nokia uk shop doesnt have any in stock :(	16:54
Claudio_1232	i really like that phone but the OS its terrible	16:54
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talineo	can someone give me the full path for bme btw ? (on n810)	16:55
DocScrutinizer	Claudio_1232: this is not the right channel for you :-D	16:55
* trumee wonders if amazon could be trusted with a genuine battery		16:55
DocScrutinizer	Claudio_1232: you can't run maemo on motorola phones. And nobody here knows anything about your phone's OS	16:56
Claudio_1232	im afraid so	16:56
VladNistor	about amazon, they offer those tiny images for cloud computing for free. turns out they're just barely faster than an n900 according to phoronix.com	16:56
DocScrutinizer	trumee: that's a difficult question. Even Nokia can't tell apart fakes and genuine ones, unless they disassemble :-D	16:56
kerio	DocScrutinizer: but the HOLOGRAPHIC STICKER	16:57
DocScrutinizer	pfff	16:57
kerio	surely that can't be faked!!!!!1!1	16:57
VladNistor	yeah, nobody makes them, they just appear out of thin air!	16:58
jacekowski	kerio: i have fake battery	16:58
jacekowski	kerio: with sticker and stuff	16:58
kerio	get it replaced by nokia	16:58
jacekowski	why by nokia?	16:58
kerio	so you get a genuine one	16:58
jacekowski	i bought it somewhere else	16:58
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kerio	"this battery is crap!"	16:59
jacekowski	i don't care	16:59
jacekowski	it's not crap	16:59
VladNistor-mob	this is wird, xchat doesn't seem to really use my ancient font :(	17:00
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, my supposedly faked one also performs up to expectations	17:01
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* alterego yawns and waits for the package importer.		17:01
jacekowski	hmm	17:02
jacekowski	i banned myself yesterday on one of channels	17:02
jacekowski	i don't even remember that	17:02
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DocScrutinizer	some might even be grey shift production. Means the manufacturer building batteries for Nokia just does a nightshift building 'nokia' batteries for grey market - usually employees do this while management doesn't know about it ;-)	17:03
DocScrutinizer	VladNistor-mob: you're aware xchat has its owm font selector in setup?	17:04
VladNistor-mob	DocScrutinizer, i do now, thanks	17:04
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VladNistor-mob	but since the menu is in ancient and i can' read it i also can't change it... yeah, i'm bored	17:05
DocScrutinizer	muhahah	17:06
VladNistor-mob	:)	17:06
VladNistor	oh, and the application list doesn't use the fonts either	17:07
DocScrutinizer	""and next week we will learn how to switch language of your heating from simplified chinese back to latin-1""	17:07
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VladNistor	i'm trying klingon next :)	17:08
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talineo	VladNistor: that may of any help http://www.chinese-tools.com/ ? (you have tools to draw the characters you don't know)	17:15
VladNistor	talineo, hahah, i know the theme customizer menu in any language to switch back, thanks :P	17:16
talineo	VladNistor: you're welcome ;-)	17:17
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alterego	http://i.imgur.com/gbMIG.jpg	17:19
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VladNistor	is that your alterego, alterego?	17:23
pupnik	waitasec, for omap3 i don't want -mfloat-abi=softfp do i	17:24
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VladNistor	i'm watching tron legacy, and some guy is using an n8 to hack into some server =))	17:37
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alterego	VladNistor: heh, cool, the N8 also featured in the latest season of Dexter	17:45
hrw	product placement ;D	17:46
alterego	Yeah, they're pretty good at it aren't they ;)	17:49
hrw	money makes things easier	17:49
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MohammadAG	N8 to hack a server? hah	17:52
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jacekowski	hack the planet	17:54
MohammadAG	it can't hack itself	17:55
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VladNistor	yeah, it had some sort of board sticking out of it which could crack access to some sort of door and then some sort of server... looked cool	17:56
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trumee	is it possible to stop tracker to pick images from a certain folder but let it pick up music?	17:58
MohammadAG	product ads are always cool	17:58
trumee	i have CD covers in my music folder which get picked up by tracker as well which i dont want	17:58
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alterego	trumee: join the club :P	18:20
trumee	alterego: is thereany way to delete entries from tracker database?	18:21
kerio	tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name tracker -delete	18:24
kerio	it's the only sane way	18:24
MohammadAG	lol	18:25
trumee	kerio:?	18:25
trumee	kerio:that is not what i was asking	18:25
kerio	yes, it was	18:25
kerio	you just don't know it	18:26
MohammadAG	lmfao	18:26
satmd	...	18:26
trumee	kerio:i want tracker to pick only mp3 from the folder and not the images.	18:26
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trumee	kerio: not to bloody ask the tracker to index everything again	18:27
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kerio	no, you want to delete the fuck out of the tracker	18:32
alterego	Heh	18:33
trumee	kerio: but wont the tracker again pick up the images and mp3 from the same folder?	18:34
kerio	not if you delete it!	18:34
kerio	also check out .config/tracker/something.cfg	18:34
kerio	i'm not sure if there's a way to make it index types based on position though	18:34
* trumee confirms that kerio got the question wrong		18:34
kerio	see, you think you want tracker to be less crappy	18:35
MohammadAG	~sarcasm	18:35
infobot	i guess sarcasm is a troll rolling on the stone	18:35
MohammadAG	you need a new detector for it trumee	18:35
kerio	in reality you just want to delete the little bastard	18:35
trumee	MohammadAG: so it is not possible at the moment?	18:35
MohammadAG	trumee, a sarcasm detector	18:35
MohammadAG	no, not to my knowledge	18:36
trumee	ok. cheers	18:36
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kerio	trumee: even in the best case scenario you'd probably need to rescan anyway	18:37
kerio	make it only scan for audio in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ maybe	18:37
MohammadAG	you can't kerio	18:37
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kerio	i reiterate my proposal of tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name tracker -delete	18:38
alterego	What's with the 1.4 rumours?	18:39
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MohammadAG	alterego, free popcorn, why do you care?	18:40
alterego	I just don't get how people can get this shit.	18:43
hrw	~pr1.4	18:43
infobot	PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject	18:43
hrw	~pr1.7	18:43
MohammadAG	alterego, it was on facebook®!!	18:43
alterego	MohammadAG: I know :P	18:44
MohammadAG	alterego, oh yeah, and the facebook's closing on 15/3 thing	18:45
MohammadAG	check your news feed, see how many believed that	18:45
alterego	Heh, crazy	18:46
alterego	More believable than PR1.4 though ;)	18:46
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MohammadAG	alterego, yeah, they quoted Mark, I should quote Ari Jaaski and see how many believe that	18:47
MohammadAG	even though he quit	18:47
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alterego	Heh	18:48
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kerio	wtf, timeless	19:11
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lcuk	MohammadAG, HD already has ways of simplifying the rendering to lighten the load	19:46
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lcuk	notice that the fade/blur is done at half resolution for instance	19:46
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Tuco_maria	is it possible to install Qtmail on maemo 5???	19:52
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alterego	I swear everytine there's activity on the Columbus thread someone touches the modrana thread too.	19:58
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pupnik	jav[tab]	20:07
alterego	Oh, the dev released a new version today aswell ...	20:08
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lcuk	omg w0000p	20:32
lcuk	"Your Mail-ID has been awarded £950,000,00 Pounds .... "	20:32
* lcuk wonders what to do with 95million pounds		20:33
rtyler	WOOOHOO	20:33
lcuk	actually, I don't wonder, I know exactly what to do with it	20:33
rtyler	heh	20:33
Gyjf	buy the moon?	20:33
Scorcerer	if you don't want it you can give it to me :D	20:33
rtyler	fund a bloody modern maemo-based phone? :D	20:33
* rtyler wants a more powerful n900 damnit		20:33
Scorcerer	that would be nice	20:34
lcuk	it would be good seed money for a rocking future	20:34
rtyler	my wife's new HTC G2 is putting my n900 to shame	20:34
lcuk	rtyler, :) n900 is awesomely powerful already	20:34
rtyler	too little RAM	20:34
lcuk	i was using my n810 yesterday and marvelling at just how good it was	20:34
rtyler	I like to multitask with Opera and another app or two	20:34
rtyler	running multiple tabs in opera is sluggish	20:35
lcuk	since especially it can easily support build-essential and do on device building simply :)	20:35
rtyler	the chip is likely still fast enough, just need moar rams	20:35
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lcuk	are you sure its opera (or any browser) thats slow and not the damned active flash on each tab	20:35
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: not very serious, as they even got the , wrong	20:35
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer, its not wrong, its 95 million pounds!!!!	20:36
lcuk	i have already replied	20:36
DocScrutinizer	or maybe it's meant to be 950,000.00	20:36
rtyler	lcuk: disabled flash	20:36
lcuk	their mistake, not mine	20:36
rtyler	I am trying out firefox today	20:36
lcuk	whats wrong with microb?	20:36
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DocScrutinizer	lcuk: please give a a humble 10k of it ;-D	20:36
rtyler	don't like the experience	20:37
rtyler	always been a closet opera fanboi	20:37
lcuk	rtyler, what specifically is wrong with browsers and what would your ideal be	20:37
rtyler	if there was a really polished webkit browser for maemo though	20:37
lcuk	back i nthe day I recall a browser called tear	20:37
lcuk	i cant remember what it was based on	20:38
rtyler	lcuk: the tabs interface and zooming with Opera on Maemo is really nice, I'm generally impressed with the sites it can handle without killing the device's responsiveness too much	20:38
rtyler	firefox's UI on maemo is too sluggish, especially when loading pages	20:38
* rtyler think he just crashed it		20:38
DocScrutinizer	rtyler: hell, multiple tabs in opera is sluggish on my 16core 3.8GHz 32GB RAM box	20:39
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer, what would 10k get me?	20:39
DocScrutinizer	eternal praise	20:39
rtyler	heh	20:39
lcuk	i have that anyway	20:39
DocScrutinizer	meh	20:39
DocScrutinizer	you never can have enough of it	20:40
lcuk	if it got the h-e-n patches into official kernel I would start saving today	20:40
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DocScrutinizer	you can have those in a week if you would pay those 10k. But the question is how to get that official kernel really official	20:41
lcuk	kernel.org official?	20:41
DocScrutinizer	ooh you mean official like "upstream" - really upstream, maybe linus branch.	20:42
lcuk	:)	20:42
lcuk	really official	20:42
DocScrutinizer	we can talk about that	20:42
lcuk	not now we can't, I have to go rest off bowling aches and sunday roast bloat	20:43
DocScrutinizer	I'm sure I know some good popular honoured kernel hackers that could push it, for a adequate bribe	20:43
DocScrutinizer	there has been worse crap in main branch	20:44
lcuk	i don't know whats worse, losing March 28th or having 2 October 30ths :S	20:45
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	20:45
lcuk	its like groundhog day	20:46
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MohammadAG	lcuk, having a february the 31st	20:46
lcuk	how would you get to feb 31st?	20:46
MohammadAG	lcuk, you got 2 october 30ths	20:46
DocScrutinizer	I would have expected March 28th to keep her name, or at least get a double-name like OctoberMarch 28th, wife of October 30th	20:46
yacc	Any way to figure out if a network supports DTM without trying a voice call and data at the same time?	20:46
lcuk	or is it one of those days you have to get REALLY drunk to actually reach	20:46
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MohammadAG	shouldn't be hard for you to figure out	20:47
DocScrutinizer	wonder what their kids are named	20:47
* lcuk goes and rests on the sofa		20:48
lcuk	\o	20:48
DocScrutinizer	enjoy	20:48
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DocScrutinizer	yacc: nope, not afaik	20:49
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yacc	sigh.	20:49
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* DocScrutinizer ponders to hack a bit more on jrbme/booston		20:51
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yacc	Anyway, what scripts are run when bnep0 gets created?	20:55
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Venemo	someone should shoot the guys who makes threads like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68048	21:27
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RST38h	It is a lemming. It is trying to be "helpful".	21:31
FauxFaux	Venemo got all excited.	21:31
BCMM	Venemo: i've nearly finished my blog post about an upcoming release	21:32
Venemo	BCMM: :D	21:32
BCMM	duke nukem forever is gonna be an n900 exclusive	21:32
BCMM	next week.	21:32
BCMM	i am an authority on such things.	21:32
BCMM	"I guess that this probadly is true."	21:33
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BCMM	i love TMO	21:34
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BCMM	without it, those people would probably end up here	21:34
BCMM	"i stumbled upon another guy from twitter claiming this aswell"	21:34
ag0ny1	Good evening everybody. Could someone tell me in which order the emmc and os images must be flashed? I found opposing information about the order...	21:35
ShadowJK	The order isn't important if you make sure you don't reboot or boot the device in between	21:36
jacekowski	ag0ny1: any order	21:36
jacekowski	ag0ny1: just don't reboot	21:36
ShadowJK	so don't use -R (reboot) flag to flasher	21:36
ag0ny1	Thank you. But why does http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php say then: "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." next to the vanilla image?	21:37
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: the info and rationale on wiki is pretty clear, no?	21:38
ShadowJK	If you fuck up and reboot the device in between, then hang done the emmc first means the device boots up to slightly broken system that can be fixed by flashing the rootfs/fiasco image	21:38
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: and afaik they fixed that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php some weeks ago	21:38
DocScrutinizer	they == X-Fade	21:39
DocScrutinizer	~flashing	21:39
infobot	from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	21:39
ShadowJK	if you flash rootfs/fiasco first and boot, data is moved from / to /opt (emmc), and that data is then overwritten when you flash emmc, and you end up with slightly broken system, which can be fixed by flashing rootfs/fiasco image. Or in total 3 flashings	21:40
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: if you found any wiki or nokia page telling different, please drop a pointer and note here	21:40
Venemo	the truth is, as long as you do NOT reboot inbetween, it doesn't really matter.	21:40
ShadowJK	yes	21:40
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: that's what he said :-D	21:41
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DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900	21:42
DocScrutinizer	When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to	21:42
DocScrutinizer	work. The former advice on tablets-dev.nokia.com was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's fixed now and in line with this wiki	21:42
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ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/td-p/593949/page/15 there is a post from cpitchford stating an order. That combined with the note on the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php page did confuse me as they state differently.	21:43
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ag0ny1	I had not found the Wikipage you just linked, which is stating it pretty clearly	21:44
ShadowJK	Ah, discussions.nokia :)	21:44
ShadowJK	They probably didn't notice it changed on tablets-dev	21:44
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, whats that old book you uploaded to flickr?	21:44
ag0ny1	But maybe I don't need to flash my newly acquired device that keeps on rebooting randomly? Maybe there is already another fix for that problem?	21:45
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lcuk	ag0ny1, ? if you just got a second hand device, I recommend flashing to official anyway	21:46
ShadowJK	What OS version does it run?	21:46
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hrw	~seen texrat	21:46
ShadowJK	Yeah, what lcuk says	21:46
infobot	texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 31d 17h 19m 29s ago, saying: 'sphinxxxx, gtfo'.	21:46
ag0ny1	No, its not second hand. Its brand new. Its the device for my wife...	21:46
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lcuk	hrw, \o hey, texrat rarely comes on irc	21:46
lcuk	but if you want him, he is responsive on email usually	21:47
ShadowJK	ag0ny1, what version? (settings - about product)	21:47
lcuk	incase you haven't got his addy, I am PMing it now.	21:47
ag0ny1	OS Version is V 20.2010.36-2	21:47
hrw	lcuk: I am exchanging tweets with him now	21:48
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ShadowJK	So that's newest.. If it's rebooting randomly and brand new I'd return it	21:48
hrw	lcuk: he is Dallas guy and I am here for week	21:48
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: it should not reboot randomly, unless you installed a broken app (probably found on extras-devel repository). But OOTB devices need a OS upgrade	21:48
lcuk	yeah hrw, have you been there before?	21:48
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: OOTB?	21:48
DocScrutinizer	~ootb	21:48
infobot	ootb is, like, Out Of The Box	21:48
hrw	lcuk: nope, first visit	21:49
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ag0ny1	ShadowJK: I read, during research for the reboot-problem, that a reflash might help as well...	21:50
hrw	lcuk: weather suxx badly today ;(	21:50
hrw	sitting in hotel is uber boring	21:50
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: have you connected the device to internet? Usually via WLAN	21:50
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: The device has the latest os version already	21:50
lcuk	hrw, you must get a 10gallon hat photo!	21:50
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: Yes	21:50
lcuk	hrw, it depends on the company	21:50
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: :-O	21:50
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: That was never a problem with my own device...	21:50
lcuk	in Dublin we pretty much camped out in the hotel but there was always a big bunch of us	21:51
hrw	lcuk: 10gallon hat?	21:51
Jaffa	Camping out in the hotel when you're travelling on your own is no fun, though.	21:51
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: so yeah, reflash it completely, do NOT restore any apps you had installed yourself previously, and check if the device behaves	21:51
MrBawb	Jaffa: it is when they charge $14/day for internet. wee!	21:51
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ShadowJK	Well, the first OS version over a year ago had an issue where it randomly rebooted on some devices. this was fixed in january 2009. You have the latest os on that device, so the well known reboot issue isn't relevant. That leaves the possibility that the os install is corrupted either through something installed or out of the box, OR, that the hardware is faulty	21:52
hrw	lcuk: ok, I see	21:52
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: Ok. Can I use the latest emmc image?	21:52
DocScrutinizer	yes	21:52
lcuk	:D	21:52
ShadowJK	If you reflash you eliminate the possibility that the os install is damaged	21:52
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: ShadowJK: exactly	21:53
ag0ny1	ShadowJK: Yes. I am going to stress-test after the fresh flash	21:53
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: good	21:53
DocScrutinizer	don't forget to test headset/AV connector and FMTX. There were several reports of those being broken OOTB	21:55
ShadowJK	and mic	21:55
ag0ny1	Ok, thank you all very much. You really helped me!!	21:56
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: also you may want to write and read huge amount of data (a large file) to eMMC aka MyDocs, and see if the flash is ok	21:56
hrw	ag0ny1: I had a post about what to check...	21:56
hrw	let me find it	21:56
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ag0ny1	hrw: Thanks!	21:56
hrw	ag0ny1: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/14/things-to-check-with-nokia-n900/	21:56
ag0ny1	takes notes	21:56
hrw	ag0ny1: add coment there if you will have something to add	21:57
GAN900	Hehe	21:57
DocScrutinizer	hrw: heh, your server broke on massive trafic, some seconds ago? ;-D	21:57
GAN900	Why do the rumored specs for the N9 never have anything relating to reality.	21:58
GAN900	"Snapdragon"	21:58
GAN900	No.	21:58
RST38h	How do you know though?	21:58
hrw	GAN900: I would rather see omap3640/1GHz	21:58
ShadowJK	It'll be same cpu as beagleboard xm, but one number higher ;P	21:58
ShadowJK	yeah	21:58
hrw	RST38h: nokia uses omap cpus since long time	21:58
DocScrutinizer	hrw: 42% loaded	21:59
hrw	DocScrutinizer: ?	21:59
hrw	DocScrutinizer: loaded fine here	21:59
DocScrutinizer	aaah 76% and actually showing content already	21:59
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DocScrutinizer	79%	22:00
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hrw	DocScrutinizer: maybe time to switch from 9600 modem to a bit more modern isp?	22:01
DocScrutinizer	for you?	22:01
ShadowJK	1GHz Omap3, 512M Ram. 800x480. My prediction ;p	22:02
hrw	you	22:02
ag0ny1	Does the device stay in flash mode after the battery was removed?	22:02
ShadowJK	ag0ny1, no it shuts down	22:02
ag0ny1	ShadowJK: Thanks!	22:02
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: the "undocumented" though apparently most rock solid way to flash is: plug in N900 without battery, start flasher so it shows "waiting...", then insert battery (while holding 'u' key, though that's not really needed usually)	22:05
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ag0ny1	Does flashing the RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin only take couple seconds?	22:19
Venemo	ag0ny1: yes.	22:19
ag0ny1	Hm...	22:19
ag0ny1	ok :D	22:20
SpeedEvil	It's more than a couple	22:20
SpeedEvil	but it's under a minute	22:20
SpeedEvil	well under	22:20
ag0ny1	It was done in 10 seconds or something	22:20
SpeedEvil	booting takes a considerable time first time	22:20
ag0ny1	Ah, ok...	22:20
ag0ny1	So if the flashing command is executed with the -R switch and the device stays connected with the usb/pc booting also works, but takes a considerable time?	22:21
ag0ny1	I am asking because currently the screen stays black, but the loading led is blinking and the keyboard is lighten up	22:22
ag0ny1	But nothing else happens :D	22:22
ag0ny1	Hm...	22:24
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SpeedEvil	yes - it takes ages	22:24
SpeedEvil	5 min?	22:24
corecode	hi	22:24
corecode	where does your /etc/resolv.conf point to?	22:25
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MohammadAG	ag0ny1, sure it's not in charging mode?	22:25
corecode	somehow openconnect-gui must have messed mine up	22:25
MohammadAG	i.e are the 5 moving circles moving	22:25
ag0ny1	Why does the wikipage say "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so " after flashing the emmc image and at the begin says "Do not boot up the device between the two i.e"	22:25
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ag0ny1	I fear something horrible...	22:26
MohammadAG	cause you shouldn't boot at all when flashing the eMCM	22:26
MohammadAG	eMMC*	22:26
MohammadAG	you need to flash both images, then boot up	22:26
ag0ny1	So there is a difference between powering down and rebooting?	22:27
MohammadAG	no, you shouldn't do any of them between both flashes	22:27
ag0ny1	Why does the wikipage http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 say something different?	22:28
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Tamyrlin	I remember that the wiki page for updating the firmware was confusing to me as well	22:29
ag0ny1	After executing "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" it says "Text similar to the following will be displayed on the computer: " and then "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so"	22:29
ag0ny1	SpeedEvil: I am patiently waiting for another 5 minutes then :D	22:29
MohammadAG	(cur) (last) 09:05, 19 December 2010 174.31.87.107 (Talk) (24,160 bytes) (→Flashing the eMMC in the N900) (undo)	22:31
Tamyrlin	Could the wiki page mean that you have to power down the N900 and power it on up so that the flasher will actually start? (IIRC the flasher will wait until you put the device into flashing mode, e.g. power cycle it with USB connector inserted and flasher running on the computer?)	22:32
ag0ny1	Tamyrlin: The emmc image was flashed already before. So the device was in flashing mode already	22:33
ag0ny1	Tamyrlin: Also according to the documentation at the wiki page	22:33
Tamyrlin	Not according to the wiki	22:33
Tamyrlin	"Suitable USB device not found, waiting."	22:33
ShadowJK	iirc, I started N900 in flashing mode with flasher-3.5 already running. It flashed and exited, then without disconnecting or doing anything to n900 I reran flasher-3.5 again for the other image	22:34
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Tamyrlin	ShadowJK: That is what I did as well IIRC	22:34
ag0ny1	ShadowJK: This is just what I did. But the second image (os) I flashed I added the -R switch to the command	22:34
ShadowJK	Oh yeah I probably did that too	22:35
ag0ny1	Then I might really have to wait couple minutes	22:35
ShadowJK	oh yes first startup can take very long	22:35
ag0ny1	If the keyboard is lighten up, could that mean the system is booting?	22:36
ShadowJK	it could..	22:36
ShadowJK	I think I got the normal nokia logo, animated balls, and then it probably went black for a few minutes	22:37
ag0ny1	Did you remove the usb cable after flashing?	22:37
Tamyrlin	I wonder who decided that it was a clever idea not to display any kind of at that point...	22:37
Tamyrlin	any kind of message that is	22:37
ShadowJK	Yeah I did remove it	22:38
ag0ny1	Does the ouput of the flash process look ok for you: http://pastebin.com/bxqQ4mHi	22:38
ag0ny1	?	22:39
ag0ny1	There are 2 flash processes ofc :D	22:39
ag0ny1	ShadowJK: Before it was booted up?	22:39
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ShadowJK	I don't think I booted with usb cable connected	22:40
ShadowJK	but i dont really remember	22:40
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ag0ny1	I am waiting now for 15+ minutes..	22:41
ag0ny1	ShadowJK: Ok	22:41
ShadowJK	that's too long	22:41
ag0ny1	I unplugged it from USB cable now and give it another 5 minutes	22:42
ShadowJK	is keyboard light still on?	22:42
ag0ny1	No	22:42
ag0ny1	Its off now and the status led does not blink orange anymore	22:42
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ag0ny1	I think I have sone something wrong	22:50
DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure if the device needs a second boot after optification	22:50
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ag0ny1	I pressed the on button now and only get bricks shown as letters and only a gray panel like window	22:50
MohammadAG	it doesn't	22:50
DocScrutinizer	on that second boot it may enter act_dead charging	22:50
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MohammadAG	ag0ny1, flash again	22:50
ag0ny1	Looks like the dialog that appears to enter the pin	22:51
MohammadAG	don't follow any sequence, screw it all, just don't use -R	22:51
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: reboot	22:51
MohammadAG	yes, flash again	22:51
ShadowJK	ag0ny1, yeah I'd reflash rootfs (fiasco) image	22:51
ag0ny1	OK...	22:51
MohammadAG	ag0ny1, no, he lost his themes	22:51
MohammadAG	err, DocScrutinizer *	22:51
ag0ny1	How do i reboot?	22:51
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ag0ny1	Keep the off button pressed?	22:51
ShadowJK	hold in the powerbutton to shutdown	22:51
DocScrutinizer	I'd not state anything unless trying a second boot	22:51
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MohammadAG	I would, he rebooted without flashing the FAISCO	22:52
MohammadAG	FIASCO	22:52
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, the flash log he posted looked a bit odd	22:52
ag0ny1	Ok, I ended up in the same broken dialog as before after a second boot	22:53
MohammadAG	didn't see it :p	22:53
DocScrutinizer	reflash rotfs	22:53
DocScrutinizer	rootfs	22:53
DocScrutinizer	aka COMBINED	22:53
MohammadAG	ag0ny1, turn off the device, flash the FIASCO with the normal command, without the -R flag, then flash the eMMC again	22:53
DocScrutinizer	the second step	22:53
MohammadAG	he needs to flash both DocScrutinizer	22:53
MohammadAG	the flag that optification was done was set	22:54
DocScrutinizer	errr wut?	22:54
ShadowJK	is that flag stored on emmc?	22:54
MohammadAG	/var	22:54
ag0ny1	After turning of the device and switching it on with u pressed and then connect to the usb does end up in bright Nokia Logo, with the R&D and USB icons shown	22:54
DocScrutinizer	so flashing rootfs should work	22:54
DocScrutinizer	/var is on rootfs	22:55
ag0ny1	Is that the right state to issue the flashing commands?	22:55
DocScrutinizer	yes	22:55
ShadowJK	yep, sounds like the right state	22:55
MohammadAG	yes	22:55
MohammadAG	flash COMBINED image	22:55
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ag0ny1	I am wondering because the screen is bright and not dark...	22:55
MohammadAG	though I'm curious, why did it take time to reboot if no optification was done	22:56
MohammadAG	ag0ny1, doesn't matter, as long as the USB icon is shown	22:56
MohammadAG	but why do you have R&D mode on?	22:56
ShadowJK	Maybe it actually stuck in mass-storage mode or something when usb was connected?	22:56
ag0ny1	Because I read it..	22:56
DocScrutinizer	yep	22:56
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, he has it on?	22:57
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DocScrutinizer	do not enable R&D mode	22:57
ag0ny1	Ah, ok...can I disable it in the current state of the device?	22:57
MohammadAG	flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode	22:57
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, yes, read his USB icon line	22:58
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: you say you got a second N900 available?	22:58
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ag0ny1	Ok, the R&D logo disappeared...	22:58
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: Yes	22:58
ShadowJK	MohammadAG, ah, I missed that	22:58
DocScrutinizer	ok then. No problem with battery	22:58
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DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: do NOT use -R	22:59
ag0ny1	Ok. But I flash both images again?	22:59
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: flash, the unplug and reboot	22:59
DocScrutinizer	then*	22:59
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: won't hurt, eh ;-)	22:59
ag0ny1	Flash both, emmc and Fiasko?	22:59
ag0ny1	ok	22:59
ag0ny1	Ill flash emmc first then	23:00
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:00
ag0ny1	And between both flash operations I do nothing with the device?	23:00
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:00
DocScrutinizer	and you don't use -R on both	23:00
ag0ny1	I got the same weird output when flashing the Fiasko image...	23:01
MohammadAG	fiasco*	23:01
MohammadAG	what's the output?	23:01
ag0ny1	http://pastebin.com/ccJcMcei	23:01
ag0ny1	Thats the old log with -R, the current one looks the same though	23:01
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ShadowJK	hm, was -F right for emmc	23:02
ag0ny1	And there was no progress update shown	23:02
ag0ny1	It says so at the wiki page...	23:03
ag0ny1	http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780	23:03
alterego	Cool "A Long Kiss Goodnight"	23:03
ag0ny1	http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900	23:04
ShadowJK	what's the filesize of your images?	23:05
ag0ny1	About 250 mb (emmc) and 195 mb (Fiasco)	23:05
ag0ny1	I verfied the md5sums	23:06
ag0ny1	They were correct	23:06
DocScrutinizer	I think that's one of the cases where NOLO locks up after flashing eMMC. I'd try to power down the device and flash the COMBINED rootfs img same way again, by booting up and holding "u"	23:06
ag0ny1	I thought I should NOT reboot between the two flashes?	23:07
DocScrutinizer	you STOP boot by holding 'u' key	23:07
ag0ny1	Ah, ok :D	23:07
ShadowJK	Yeah it should be fine if you enter flashing mode again	23:07
DocScrutinizer	NOLO bootloader does not boot the system, instead it enters flashing mode	23:07
ag0ny1	And I power down with the power off button?	23:08
DocScrutinizer	if that works, then yes	23:08
joga	heh, it's funny they call it NOLO	23:08
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DocScrutinizer	FIASCO is also rather tounge in cheek	23:08
ShadowJK	it's like as if it didn't flash the os image at all, looking at yor output :/	23:08
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: yep, exactly	23:09
ag0ny1	I got that kind of feeling as well	23:09
ShadowJK	nolo = embarassed in finnish :P	23:09
ag0ny1	If power off button is not working, can I remove the battery?	23:09
ag0ny1	Or what should I do?	23:09
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DocScrutinizer	yes	23:09
ag0ny1	Ok	23:09
DocScrutinizer	then plug in device without battery, start flasher, nsert bat while holding 'u'	23:10
ag0ny1	Done	23:10
ag0ny1	And then I flash the Fiasco image?	23:10
DocScrutinizer	then the flasher starts flashing same moment you inser battery	23:10
DocScrutinizer	if you missed to start it in advance, do that now	23:11
ag0ny1	Without flashing the emmc image	23:11
ag0ny1	before?	23:11
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:11
ag0ny1	Ok	23:11
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ag0ny1	I get the same output but with some additional and it is flashing now	23:12
DocScrutinizer	:-D	23:12
ag0ny1	Looks good :D	23:12
ag0ny1	What does CMT stand for?	23:12
DocScrutinizer	when flasher is done, unplug the device	23:12
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DocScrutinizer	Cell Modem Telefone or sth	23:13
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ag0ny1	OK	23:13
DocScrutinizer	it's the firmware for GSM	23:13
ag0ny1	Ah, ok :D	23:13
ag0ny1	And after unplugging the device?	23:13
DocScrutinizer	reboot it	23:13
alterego	Cellular Modem Terminal ?	23:13
ag0ny1	Like, press the power on button?	23:14
DocScrutinizer	whatever it needs	23:14
ag0ny1	hehe, ok :D	23:14
ag0ny1	Ah, the moving dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black...	23:15
DocScrutinizer	waaaiiit	23:15
ag0ny1	It seems like I got to wait another 5 minutes :D	23:15
talineo	DocScrutinizer: just to let you know : we (the n810 is her's) decided to flash (I will have some contacts to enter again ...) and try and install kde4 (as she use on her computer and pim suite is known to work)	23:15
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talineo	DocScrutinizer: I use the n900 battery for the flash and now use the n810 one again	23:16
DocScrutinizer	talineo: nice :-)	23:16
ShadowJK	kde4 is kinda heavy on 128M ram though?	23:16
DocScrutinizer	yeah :-D	23:16
talineo	ShadowJK: this seems to be a version for tablets and the video seems not too slow	23:17
talineo	and she is willing to test as it would greatly synchronisation	23:17
talineo	greatly ease *	23:17
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talineo	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0	23:18
jacekowski	hmm, have anybody tried booting n900 from sd card	23:21
jacekowski	but just sd card	23:21
jacekowski	with empty nand	23:21
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DocScrutinizer	what's "empty" ? I guess you mean "empty rootfs"	23:24
ag0ny1	Waiting now for 9 minutes...	23:24
ag0ny1	Nothing happens	23:24
DocScrutinizer	touch the screen	23:24
ShadowJK	or the lock slider	23:24
ag0ny1	nothing happens	23:24
DocScrutinizer	plug in charger	23:25
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lolcat	Hell	23:25
lolcat	Hello	23:25
lolcat	If I take the TV out cable for the N900	23:25
DocScrutinizer	hellofaday	23:25
lolcat	And connect it to a male to female converter	23:25
lolcat	Can I then separate the mic and the speaker?	23:26
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:26
crashanddie	TV out doesn't have mic, IIRC	23:26
crashanddie	it does?	23:26
lolcat	No	23:26
ShadowJK	it doesn't	23:26
lolcat	But the cable goes in the same hole	23:26
DocScrutinizer	well, mic and CVBS are same line	23:26
ag0ny1	After plugging in the charger the nokia logo appeared (dark), the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again. But the led is flashing orange (charging)	23:26
lolcat	And I want a cable that lets me use a nromal gamerheadset as a handsfree	23:27
DocScrutinizer	power up using powerkey	23:27
DocScrutinizer	well, mic of such a headset has to connect to yellow RCIA plug of cable. I'm not too optimistic it will be really compatible though	23:28
ag0ny1	Nokia logo (light) appeared, the 5 dots appeared, the Nokia logo (dark) appeared, the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again...	23:28
DocScrutinizer	waaaait	23:29
ag0ny1	Again :D	23:29
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nas__	you can check the status of what n900 detected I think ..	23:29
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:29
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: So yellow = speaker, white = sound? Now that I think about it I am quite certain it doesnt work	23:29
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DocScrutinizer	eeh?	23:29
DocScrutinizer	white and red are left and right earspeaker, yellow is mic	23:30
lolcat	Wonder if it works...	23:30
hyper_noober_XL	my root file system is now 10gb. how does that make you feel?	23:30
lolcat	Is there any professional adapter to do that?	23:31
DocScrutinizer	nope	23:31
DocScrutinizer	not afaik	23:31
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: does it say anything, or at least have a dark glow in screen?	23:31
hyper_noober_XL	is mohhamedg here right now?	23:31
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: does it react to lock slider switch, does kbd light up when opened?	23:32
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DocScrutinizer	hyper_noober_XL: no, but maybe MohammadAG is here	23:32
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: I switch off all light in the room, but the device screen did not glow. The keyboard stay dark as well...	23:33
DocScrutinizer	you probably switched it off then, rather than on	23:33
hyper_noober_XL	thats what i meant!	23:33
lolcat	This is SO close: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/329824603-Free-Shipping-3-5mm-Earphone-Adapter-with-Mic-AV0041-wholesalers.html	23:33
MohammadAG	you rang?	23:33
Gh0sty	DocScrutinizer: sorry to disturb you but you mentioned somet time ago a tool to take full backups of the n900 (still beta?)	23:34
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: So I turn it on again...	23:34
Gh0sty	could you relink me? can't find the link anymore	23:34
hyper_noober_XL	yo mo	23:34
hyper_noober_XL	there is a bug in phone-control	23:34
DocScrutinizer	Gh0sty: backup-menu. allegedly the version2 works now	23:34
ag0ny1	Must the backcover be mounted?	23:34
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: not really	23:34
ag0ny1	kk	23:34
hyper_noober_XL	wifion and wifioff dont work	23:34
hyper_noober_XL	they return an error saying 'wlan0' not found or somthing	23:35
Gh0sty	DocScrutinizer: it was not that ...	23:36
hyper_noober_XL	i think you have included the apostrophes in your script so ifconfig is looking for 'wlan0' instead of wlan0	23:36
Gh0sty	something eds backup thingy or something similar/>	23:36
hyper_noober_XL	ya follow?	23:36
Gh0sty	(just for completeness ... creating a slideset for a presentation i'm giving next week about n900 & maemo)	23:36
ag0ny1	Now the 5 dots stay much longer than before. I am asked now for the pin code...	23:37
DocScrutinizer	can't think of anything different, except you maybe refer to standard osso backup app	23:37
ag0ny1	And the buttons look normal...the video is shown...	23:37
ag0ny1	We brought life back to the device....	23:37
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Gh0sty	DocScrutinizer: or it was not you but someone pointed me to some tool on the forum which could make images of the full N900 ...	23:37
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DocScrutinizer	backup-menu	23:37
Gh0sty	format was not compatible with the flasher tool however ...	23:38
Gh0sty	and it was still beta	23:38
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:38
MohammadAG	hyper_noober_XL, hmm	23:38
DocScrutinizer	Gh0sty: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937	23:38
MohammadAG	hyper_noober_XL, could be a typo, it was one of my first proper(?) scrripts	23:38
MohammadAG	scripts*	23:38
ag0ny1	The video is shown again...	23:39
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hyper_noober_XL	i suspect it is	23:39
ag0ny1	I think it crashed again already after the setup dialog...	23:39
VladNistor	i h8 the new fapman icon :(	23:39
ag0ny1	and rebooted...	23:39
hyper_noober_XL	totally badass script though	23:39
DocScrutinizer	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 rather	23:39
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ag0ny1	Now the system is fully loaded	23:39
MohammadAG	coded it while on holiday :P	23:39
lolcat	http://www.apexcamera.com/Headset-Buddy-PC-Headset-to-2-5mm-3-5mm-Adapter-for-Phone-Smartphone-Combo-Pack-for-2-5mm-phone-jack-or-3-5mm-jacks-on-iPhone-Blackberry-Droid-Palm-Samsung-LG-HTC-B00331S5FK.htm	23:39
lolcat	It exsists! Would it work with the N900?	23:40
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lolcat	How can it be 14.95?!	23:40
DocScrutinizer	lolcat: yes	23:41
hyper_noober_XL	do you know if the whole wifi draining power when not unloaded bug was fixed?	23:41
joga	because ripping people off is profitable?	23:41
MohammadAG	hmm, nope	23:41
DocScrutinizer	hyper_noober_XL: connection manager "fixes" it by powering down the WLAN if not needed	23:42
lolcat	It is a 15 cm long speakercable!	23:42
DocScrutinizer	hyper_noober_XL: there's no real fix for it	23:42
lolcat	That is a dollar a cm	23:42
hyper_noober_XL	so i dont need wifi switcher anymore?	23:43
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joga	lolcat, heh, that's not bad, check this out http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t	23:43
joga	bottom line: you can charge whatever people will pay you	23:44
lolcat	joga: Seen it a while ago	23:44
lolcat	Love the commenst though	23:44
joga	:)	23:44
DocScrutinizer	ag0ny1: all well now?	23:44
lolcat	If I were good with wires Id just buy a long cable from deal extreme and patch it myself...	23:45
ag0ny1	Do I have to install some graphic driver? The gui is reacting really slow	23:45
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DocScrutinizer	it will get better when background cruft (named trackerd) has finished hogging resources	23:46
DocScrutinizer	no driver	23:46
ag0ny1	ok. Then its about time to find what the cause crashing the device...	23:46
ag0ny1	:D	23:46
DocScrutinizer	this can take up to 30min or more, depending on your data on uSD and MyDocs	23:46
ag0ny1	Ill run down the list of notes I took before and the list of hrw	23:47
ag0ny1	DocScrutinizer: Thanks	23:47
DocScrutinizer	yw	23:47
vi__	Soooo, do i still need wifi switcher??	23:47
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DocScrutinizer	vi__: aiui not	23:47
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hyper_noober_XL	aiui not?	23:48
DocScrutinizer	WLAN chip is NOT eating batery when associated to a AP and in powersavings mode, or when drivers are unloaded and chip down. AIUI connection manager takes care to reach one of those states most of the time	23:48
DocScrutinizer	~aiui	23:49
infobot	hmm... aiui is As I Understand It	23:49
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Gh0sty	hmm	23:49
Gh0sty	DocScrutinizer: indeed it was backupmenu	23:49
Gh0sty	but there is backupmenu and backup-menu ? :p	23:50
DocScrutinizer	if however you are running apps like wifi-eye, then odds are your battery is empty after 3h	23:50
Gh0sty	or is it the same? :/	23:50
DocScrutinizer	I guess it's the same	23:50
DocScrutinizer	maybe V1 and V2	23:50
DocScrutinizer	V1 is STRONGLY deprecated	23:51
hyper_noober_XL	so, my original question still stands...do i still need wifi switcher?	23:51
DocScrutinizer	hyper_noober_XL: didn't I answer that with "no"?	23:51
lolcat	DocScrutinizer: Maybe he wants a full sentence...	23:53
DocScrutinizer	hmm, obviously not. So the answer is "probably you do not need wifi switcher anymore"	23:53
lolcat	hyper_noober_XL: No, you do not need wifi switcher.	23:53
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* nomis does not get what this apt-worker is doing with all the cpu time.		23:55
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	23:55
MohammadAG	nomis, dirty things behind closed doors	23:56
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DocScrutinizer	probably it's not apt-worker but actually apt-get updating cache and database	23:57
nomis	DocScrutinizer: dunno, top shows apt-worker as the guilty one.	23:58
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* nomis does not get what the problem is that other people have with my tvbgone-applet.		23:59

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