IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-01-02

chem|st;) welcome to the darksi.. ehrm 201100:02
pupniki miss watching the liquid scintillation counter with it's nixie-tube display00:03
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pupnikthe archos a70 tablet getting great benchmark results http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?p=298040#p29804000:27
ShadowJKis that omap4 or something00:28
pupniknewp, omap3640 @ 1ghz00:29
ShadowJKoh, wow00:31
ShadowJKit's kinda surprising then that droid is so low00:31
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pupnikif things go well it will be running maego soon00:33
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Venemopupnik: maego? :)00:37
alteregoHeh00:41
nox-heh00:42
ShadowJKheh00:43
pupnik;)00:43
pupnikcopyright my ass.  it's even a better name00:43
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* javispedro agrees with pupnik :)00:43
ShadowJKRST38h, oh is that the thread where this guy starts by complaining that all the shit he downloaded from -devel doesn't work?00:44
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javispedroah, funny thread00:45
mtnbkranyone seen this yet?    http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/30/nokia-n900-popular-amazon-gift/00:48
mtnbkrinteresting, but who gives a  ~ $600 phone/mini-tablet as a gift?    I need richer friends so I don't have to pay for things like my N900 myself :)00:49
Venemomtnbkr: yeah, I've seen it. quite surprising00:50
Venemoalso raises the question, how much did Nokia pay for Amazon for this?00:50
javispedropft.00:50
mtnbkrVenemo: right?00:51
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alteregoI don't find it that ridiculous00:53
alteregoMainly because the type of people buying it.00:53
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SpeedEvilAww - no fun ones.00:56
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ds3has anyone tried using the roadrunner app as a general alert when approaching a way point app ?01:04
alteregoAnd I've just added waypoint averaging ..01:05
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alteregoStill need to add rendering to track view though01:05
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ds3is roadrunner your app?01:05
alteregoNo, I'm talking about a different app ..01:06
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ds3ah01:06
alteregoIt is pure coincidence you started asking about roadrunner :P01:06
ds3I just want a way to notify me if I am near a waypoint in a list so if you got another app...01:06
ds3I see.01:06
alteregoSure, mine will be able to do that.01:06
ds3oh? does it trigger the normal alerts or some other thing? and is it small?01:07
alteregoAre you saying roadrunner works or doesn't?01:07
ds3neither, I just came across it as I was looking for such an pp01:07
ds3app01:07
alteregoIt's not particularly small, but it is quite lightweight if that's what you mean.01:07
ds3not quite my goal but it seems to be close to what I want01:07
ds3well, I would like to co-exists with Mappero running hence the desire for it to be small01:08
alteregoHrm,01:08
ds3ideally, it should just be a widget to enable the alarm01:08
alteregoWell, it wouldn't be too hard to knock something like that up.01:09
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alteregoWhy don't you do it?01:09
ds3what I want to do is when i see a place I want to visit, place a marker on a desktop app. save it out as a GPX file that gets pushed. the N900 would be a normal moving map display but it would also alert me if I am near something01:09
ds3cuz I just started looking so I don't re-invent the wheel and also cuz I am not much of an apps person (I do kernel/bootloader stuff mainly)01:10
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ds3it is something I got inspired by reading other stuff01:10
ds3if I understand things right, I take the location sample app in python and muck with it to do that01:11
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alteregoYeah, maybe.01:11
alteregolat/lon are sent via dbus01:12
alteregoOr you can use Qt Mobility (even in python) as it has a nice method for measuring the distance between to lat/lon coords.01:12
ds3but roadrunner seems to be a candidate to test out the idea01:12
alteregoM'hmm01:12
ds3distance between shouldn't be too hard; for the distances I want (<1 mile), couldn't I just use the distance formula?01:13
alteregom'hmm01:14
ds3the only part I donno is how to interface with the alerts system01:15
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alteregoWell, that depends one what kind of alerts you want.01:20
alteregoAre you talking about just normal hildon info banners?01:20
MohammadAGhmm, crap01:20
VenemoMohammadAG: what's crap? :P01:21
* alterego humms inanely01:21
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MohammadAGVenemo, I broke the mediaplayer :P01:22
ds3the full alerts thing, kind of like when a SMS comes in01:22
wmaronehm, what's the channel for the community ssu?01:22
MohammadAGhmm01:23
MohammadAGwmarone, #maemo-ssu , I'm not responsible if anything breaks until it's released officially01:23
pupnikfreenode slow for anyone else atm?01:23
MohammadAG2s lag01:23
wmaroneMohammadAG: yeah, just confused at an update that trickled down01:24
MohammadAGI'm testing stuff01:24
lardmannight chaps01:25
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MohammadAGgoing back to gedit for C/C++ is lulz01:25
wmaroneouch01:26
alteregogedit is awesome :P01:28
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ds3vi4ever01:29
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MohammadAGindeed, but you don't get the autocomplete/syntax highlighting that Qt Creator provides :P01:30
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MohammadAGyay01:31
MohammadAGone layout for the mediaplayer01:31
MohammadAGbut I need to move the widgets in it, no idea how01:31
* timeless_mbp sighs01:31
* timeless_mbp wonders what it would take to get Ovi Suite to have non lame text01:31
SpeedEvilA large crowd of villagers with pitchforks and flaming torches?01:33
MohammadAGa better design team? :P01:33
MohammadAGthat works too01:33
Venemolol SpeedEvil01:34
VenemoMohammadAG: why gedit instead of Qt Creator?01:34
MohammadAGa bit lighter for quick code checkups :P01:34
Venemoheh, lol01:34
VenemoI would never give up an IDE for a notepad01:34
MohammadAGheh01:35
MohammadAGhmm01:36
MohammadAGif something doesn't send clicked(), how do I make it do so again? :P01:36
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VenemoMohammadAG: it does send clicked, but you may not have connected to it01:36
MohammadAGQGraphicsView doesn't send clicked()01:37
Ex-OpesaCan n900 play video codec "H264 MPEG-4 AVC" and audio codec "MPEG AAC"?01:37
jacekowskidepends on profile01:37
jacekowskias in it can play all01:38
MohammadAGvoid QGraphicsView::mouseReleaseEvent(QMouseEvent *event) <-- assuming I need to go on with this?01:38
jacekowskibut only some with hardware acceleration at normal framerate01:38
VenemoMohammadAG: ummmmm01:38
alteregoM'hmm01:38
Ex-Opesajacekowski: Can you please explain?01:38
VenemoMohammadAG: what would you like to achieve exactly?01:38
jacekowskiEx-Opesa: omap iva only has support for some codecs01:38
MohammadAGVenemo, a QGraphicsView that emits clicked() when clicked01:39
Ex-Opesajacekowski: What you mean by "depends on provile"01:39
jacekowskiEx-Opesa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles01:39
jacekowskiEx-Opesa: only baseline will be decoded at full framerate01:39
Ex-OpesaSo how will I know which profile the video has which I am trying to play? :/01:40
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VenemoMohammadAG: you'll have to make a derived class, make a clicked() signal for it, override its mouseReleaseEvent, and if the button is the left one, emit the clicked signal01:41
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jacekowskiEx-Opesa: yeah01:42
jacekowskiEx-Opesa: it will either work or work at low framerate01:42
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Ex-Opesajacekowski: It doesn't even work. Which program should I use to convert it into baseline mpeg. I am not so experienced with multimedia codecs.01:44
ShadowJKThe default media player just says unsupported format if it's not baseline01:46
MohammadAGVenemo, got it, one more question though, would I need to add the QGraphicsView outside of Designer?01:46
VenemoEx-Opesa: try to playback with mplayer maybe01:46
VenemoMohammadAG: no, there is a "promote to..." feature in the designer01:47
VenemoMohammadAG: that way you can promote your QGraphicsView in the designer to "MaeMohamMediaGraphicsView"01:47
VenemoMohammadAG: (joking, sorry! :P)01:47
MohammadAGbut that means I need an extra .h file right?01:48
Venemofor what?01:49
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MohammadAGVenemo, the class01:50
MohammadAGhmm01:50
* MohammadAG experiments01:50
VenemoMohammadAG: yeah, as I said, you need to derive a class from QGraphicsView01:51
VenemoMohammadAG: you should make a .h and a .cpp for it01:51
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Ex-OpesaVenemo: Superb! It worked flawlessly. I installed kmplayer some days and I tried it first time now. It worked. Thanks Venemo. Can you tell me which program is used in default "media player" of n900?01:51
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SpeedEvilIt's a custom nokia program.01:51
VenemoEx-Opesa: mafw is used, but I'm not sure what its backend is01:51
SpeedEvilFor which no sources are available01:51
VenemoEx-Opesa: anyway mplayer is good to give a spin when the default player fails01:52
SpeedEvilIn some cases, the inbuilt player can use significantly less battery.01:52
Ex-OpesaVenemo: Indeed01:52
Ex-OpesaSpeedEvil: Yeah I think mplayer might use more cpu usage then default. Don't know just an assumption.01:53
VenemoSpeedEvil: that is why I said "when the default player fails"01:53
VenemoMohammadAG: any success?01:54
MohammadAGVenemo, just a sec01:54
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MohammadAGVenemo, done with the .h/cpp files, but now how do I promote it?02:03
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VenemoMohammadAG: open the designer, right click the widget02:04
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MohammadAGdid that02:04
MohammadAGbut it says Not used02:04
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MohammadAGoh02:06
MohammadAGsec02:06
MohammadAGheh, sorry02:06
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Venemowut?02:08
MohammadAGpromoted it, but build fails :P02:08
Venemocommit, push, lemmecheckit02:08
MohammadAGI won't commit broken sources :P02:10
Venemothen whatever. email it to me02:11
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Venemo[01:10] <MohammadAG> I won't commit broken sources :P ----> VERY GOOD attitude! :)02:11
VenemoMohammadAG: or maybe send it on Skype02:11
VenemoMohammadAG: bah, I forgot my Skype password, AGAIN... :(02:12
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MohammadAGI think I got it working :P02:12
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VenemoMohammadAG: it's the 5th time in the past few months... fortunately I saved it in Firefox I think02:13
alteregoNow .. Should I get the waypoint list to dynamically update every second ..02:13
SpeedEvil1ou mean eading and range to waypoints?02:13
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SpeedEvilRound to 0.1 degrees/5m, only paint if new is different from old?02:14
alteregoSpeedEvil: basically, do I update this: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101231-013048.png02:14
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Venemoalterego: nice02:15
alteregoI think I'll leave it for now.02:15
MohammadAGyep, it's working :_02:15
SpeedEvilI would say it would usually be useful to be able to click on one of those, and get a live heading and range display02:15
MohammadAG:)*02:15
MohammadAGthanks Venemo02:15
VenemoI'm glad to help as always, MohammadAG :)02:15
SpeedEvilBut to get live heading and range to all would be less useful normally.02:15
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alteregoSpeedEvil: yeah, working on that at the moment ;)02:15
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alteregoI'm thinking of trying something new as well, I'm thinking of, when creating a waypoint, having the ability to do a little doodle/sketch which will then be used as the waypoints icon.02:18
alteregoI reckon it'd be quicker than selecting an icon from a list.02:18
alteregoHrm, though drawing with your finger might be a bit annoying ..02:19
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SpeedEvilTake a snap too as an option02:22
MohammadAGthp, ping02:23
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alteregoYeah, that's a good idea.02:28
keriois there a way to disable the "type to enter address" in microb?02:30
kerioit's fucking annoying02:30
alteregoEh?02:31
kerioif you're on a page and you type something while the focus isn't on a text box, you get the address bar02:35
alteregoOh yeah, that's bloody annoying.02:35
keriotimeless_xchat: fix this ffs02:36
SpeedEvilThere is an about:config entry I think02:36
SpeedEvilIt was decided by the excellent UI people.02:37
ShadowJKisn't it in the settings even02:37
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alteregoDon't think so.02:40
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keriohey, what do you know02:40
kerioit is02:40
alteregoHeh02:40
keriook, how do i set ctrl+l to bring the address bar up?02:41
MohammadAGthat's how it is for me02:41
alteregoYeah, mine does that anyway02:42
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keriomeh02:44
Venemokerio: use Fennec :P:P:P02:44
kerioi have 256mb of ram, not 8gb02:44
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MohammadAGlol02:48
Venemokerio: heheh :)02:48
Venemobtw their latest beta is _almost_ there02:48
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alteregoI dislike the interface tbh02:57
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ArkenoiSo does anyone have definite answer: will n9 run maemo programs "just recompiled" or major modifications will be required?02:58
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alteregoArkenoi: there is no definitive answer.02:59
alteregoBut most applications should run with a light bit of retweaking.02:59
ShadowJKIt's almost there, but it has way too many "wait, no, don't do that, stop, nooooo I didn't tap that link, stop stop stop, why does stop button not do anything, wtf white page, go back... ... how can it take 30s to go back one page when it didn't take that long to load in the first place"-moments02:59
MohammadAGalterego, any suggestions to fix distortion in http://i56.tinypic.com/iqdmw2.jpg ?03:00
alteregoHrm, not sure. It wouldn't look so odd if you moved it down a bit so there was more of a margin at the top03:01
MohammadAGalterego, you're missing the point :P03:05
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nazgeedoes anyone has an idea what is happening with http://download.obs.maemo.org ? I am trying to access Harbaum's personal repos from there, but it seems that the whole service is dead...03:12
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pupnik_nazgee: looks down here03:21
nazgeepupnik_: Hurray. I was wondering, if maybe one of you guys can just flip this big red button, and bring it up, huh? :)03:23
pupnik_is that even a valid url?03:24
alteregoOh coool, Wall-E is on iplayer ^.^03:24
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pupniknew psx emu wootwoot03:48
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Ex-OpesaGuys. How can I increase the status bar? I think there was some way to disable the scrolling.05:48
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MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 Ex-Opesa05:56
Ex-OpesaSalam Alaikum MohammadAG05:58
MohammadAGo/05:58
Ex-OpesaMohammadAG: Powatool can also increase number of lines of statuses?06:00
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MohammadAGno, it's not a runtime thing06:02
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Ex-OpesaYeah AFAIK it only edits the config but I am asking if it increases the lines from 5 to 6.06:03
Ex-OpesaLet me install and try it. And thanks for the head ups.06:03
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pupniksnes9x for archos:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix006:04
pupnikpocketsnes for archos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA06:04
pupnikcheck out the speed difference ;)06:04
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ds3what about stella? :D06:32
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ds3prehaps with the joystick replaced by the accelormeter?06:32
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pupnikds3: stella isn't a challenging system to emulate06:59
pupniki mean emulator to get running fast06:59
ds3*nod* but all the interesting games are on stella07:00
pupnik:)07:03
pupnikthat's hardcore man07:03
pupnikds3: for example?07:04
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pupnikds3: this should work actually http://pupnik.de/chinook/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb07:06
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Ex-OpesaBy the way xenon flash is better or dual-led flash is better?07:14
RobbieThe1stI like dual-LED; in theory at least it can be used in torch mode during video recording. In reality, it's useful as a flashlight if nothing else07:17
Ex-OpesaMate, how do you it in video recording? :S07:17
RobbieThe1stNot sure, which is why I said "theory"07:17
Ex-OpesaI was just reading this http://shootspeak.com/2010/11/08/nokia-n8-camera-preview/and ya n900's camera had bad result against n8's xenon flash. See the toys/room image.07:18
Ex-OpesaYeah.07:18
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RobbieThe1stI can tell you that the n900's flash is fairly short-range; It goes around 6-8 feet, at least in torch mode07:19
Ex-OpesaDid you see the link?07:20
MohammadAGthe N86's flash is epic07:20
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RobbieThe1stNot until now; you added "and" to the end, making it a broken URL07:20
pupnikthat n8 camera is awesome07:21
Ex-OpesaActually I always think why n900's camera is so greenish when it comes to dark room images. :/07:21
MohammadAGsmall lens is one07:21
MohammadAGbtw07:21
MohammadAGthe N86's LED flash is almost on par with Xenon flashes07:21
RobbieThe1stWell, erm, there's 2X the green sensors, so you'd expect things to be greenish if it's not filtered quite right07:21
Ex-OpesaIn light/sunny days its pretty awesome but at dark environment it fails.07:21
ds3pupnik: pitfall, donkey kong, millipede, centipede, etc... classic stuff07:22
MohammadAGand it beats the crap out of the N900's flash07:22
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Ex-OpesaYeah! Any way you guys got around to get rid of greenish images other then blessn900?07:23
RobbieThe1stThe N8 might be nice, but it's missing crucial features - Hardware keyboard, Debian-based OS...07:23
Ex-OpesaIndeed RobbieThe1st.07:23
MohammadAGhmm07:24
MohammadAGthinking of replacing the flash on the N900 with that orn the N8607:24
pupnikds3: well if it doesn' work let me know07:24
MohammadAGi wonder if it's possible07:24
SpeedEvilRobbieThe1st: It really doesn't work that way.07:25
RobbieThe1st...which?07:25
SpeedEvilRobbieThe1st: There is a complex process going on to seperate out the luminance and chrominance components07:25
RobbieThe1stAnd if it's not done right, wouldn't it be off?07:25
SpeedEvilYes, but not to greenish for any sane implementation of the algorightm.07:25
SpeedEvilfcam works quite well for me even in dim light07:26
RobbieThe1stHm... could that be why 'mirror' ends up with a very greenish tint on the front cam? i.e. a -non-sane- implementation?07:26
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SpeedEvilpossibly - or miscalibration.07:28
pupnikafaik the r,g,b, sensors have different response curves which need correction in software07:28
RobbieThe1stThat makes sense07:28
SpeedEvilThe cameras go through a module that is designed to fix and correct the image07:29
SpeedEvilthis is quite complex.07:29
pupnikthen add to that the varying 'color temperatures' you take pictures-in and it becomes a non-trivial problem to correct07:29
SpeedEvilThen there is setup of the registers in the camera themselves.07:29
Ex-Opesapupnik: You are right I also feel RGB sensors are messed up in n900. Some there is mostly yellow or greenish tint.07:30
Ex-OpesaSometimes there is*07:30
pupniki don't know anything about how it's really done07:31
pupniki would think it should be done by the sensor manufacturer07:31
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Ex-OpesaYeah.07:35
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Termanagood morning07:48
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Ex-OpesaGood Morning Termana!09:11
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yigalhello09:54
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Pradeepwats up all11:00
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pupnikhi11:11
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pupnik"Non-recurring iPhone alarms stopped working on January 1 for devices running iOS  4.02, 4.1, and 4.2.111:12
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pupniksynergy is the best thing ever11:14
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DassuCare [ ] Don't care [X]11:16
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RST38hpupnik: Yes, saw that yesterday. Priceless.11:17
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xnixanHi, how can i run .ram files on maemo?11:18
xnixani tried mplayer, vlc, but nothing worked for it!11:18
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RobbieThe1stWhat's a .ram file?11:20
RobbieThe1stI've never heard of that typwe11:20
pupnikreal audio media11:22
xnixanRobbieThe1st, Realmedia files11:22
Gh0styanother example why n900 is better then I* http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2702635 *funny*11:24
johnxxnixan, is the audio actually in the file? or is the file just a 'playlist'?11:25
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xnixanjohnx, it is in the file, and that apply also for .rm files11:27
johnxwhat does mplayer say when you try to play the file?11:27
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RST38hhey johnx11:29
johnxhey RST38h11:29
johnxslow news day today, here11:29
johnxanything happening where you are?11:29
RST38hNah, just snow11:29
RST38hLong holidays until 11th11:30
johnxtook some long overdue vacation time here11:30
RST38hisn't it a bit wrong season for vacation?11:30
johnxI had some "don't call them comp-time for HR reasons" days I needed to take sooner rather than later11:31
johnxand I have friend in town 3rd to 7th, so it seemed like a good coincidence11:31
johnxit'd be a good time to vacation to mexico or south america, but that's not in the cards right now ...11:32
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johnxactually, it'll be a fun test: I'm going to stop checking work email and see if the whole place falls down while I'm gone11:32
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RST38hhehe11:34
RST38hthings are slow this time of year, so I doubt it...11:34
trxhi all11:35
johnxhallo trx11:35
johnxRST38h, in a lot of industries, yes. in mine, it's pretty busy right now11:35
johnxbut things are so much better off now than they were two years ago11:36
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johnxso I'm hoping my boss will be able to hold down the fort for a week ...11:36
trxI want my app (code editor) to be able to send "pastes" to my pastebin, but there is a problem as my app will be open source, everyone can see user/pass of that mysql account, any ideas how to solve this?11:37
johnxis this a pastebin site that you run? or are we talking about a public pastebin site?11:38
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trxits mine11:38
trxare there public ones that offer mysql connection?11:39
trxi could use those then11:39
johnxwhy do you need to submit with mysql?11:39
RST38hehehe11:39
trxhow should i submit otherwise?11:39
johnxan http post? with the pastebinit CLI app? send some email somewhere?11:40
trxall can be abused :/11:40
johnxyes11:40
trxand http is too much work :/11:40
johnxthey're also waaay better choices than mysql, IMNSHO11:41
trxi guess they are.. :/11:41
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johnxerrr, why is HTTP hard?11:43
trxthere is captcha for example11:43
trxand i dont want to have to open a browser11:43
johnxso you're really dead set on using this specific pastebin software?11:43
trxno, i open for suggestions..11:44
trxim*11:44
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johnxjust off the top of my head: you could write up a little PHP script to sit on your web server and accept POSTs from your app and INSERT the result to the database for the pastebin. kinda hacky, but meh11:47
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trxyeah, i taught about doing that but it would be open to flood attack :/11:49
johnxrate limit it by IP address11:49
johnxno matter what you do there will be possible problems. as long as you know the things that *can* go wrong and the worst case scenario, you can deal with problems as they come up11:50
johnx(and your mysql connection would be even more vulnerable, I would think)11:51
trxyep11:51
trxdamn, such a nice feature and so many problems arround it :/11:51
johnxso again, if it was me: I'd put up the a really simple PHP script do take the input, do basic validation and drop it into the DB. Then I'd write TODOs for all the potential problems I could see while writing it. then I'd deal with them as they came up11:52
johnxor as I had time11:52
johnxyou could also just require people to get accounts to use the pastebin feature11:53
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trxhmm11:54
trxthats an option too11:54
trx.php wont accept unless user is logged in..11:54
lcuktrx, common solution for webmasters using php and credentials is to store the include file outside webroot ../sql_config.php or similar11:55
johnxhallo lcuk :)11:55
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lcukheya johnx and happy new year to you \o11:55
trxhi lcuk, ill have that in mind, ty11:56
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lcuktrx, here http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/3.html12:00
lcukand the rest too ;)12:00
trxty :)12:02
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pupnikRST38h: did you see the crazy speed difference between my pocketsnes port and the snes9x? :)12:21
RST38hNo, but I do not find it surprising12:22
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RST38hsnes9x (the vanilla version) is not optimized at all12:23
pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix0    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA12:23
pupniki know i'm talking to someone who writes emulators... this is just as much as I can do12:26
RST38hpupnik: Yours has not been scaled yet12:35
RST38hAlthough I doubt it will cause that much of a performance drop if done properly12:35
pupnikit's doing scanline scaling in y.  and i'll hopefully just pixel-double the width12:36
pupnikbut i'm pretty confused about how it's doing it12:36
pupnikit's so cool with fbset i can change the bitdepth on the fly12:36
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pupniki thought i'd have to rewrite it to 32bpp12:36
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RST38hHmm...cannot install stuff from ovi store14:04
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alteregoAnyone here is KDE?14:07
kerioi thought KDE was a desktop environment14:08
kerionot a person14:08
alteregoI've just been reading that KDE 4 caused a lot of people to join the gnome camp. Just wondering why :)14:08
alteregoI meant using :P14:08
Venemobecause it is not really good from a usability viewpoint14:09
Skaldi use kde 4.514:09
alteregoSkald: any issues with it?14:10
Skaldi have no complaints14:10
Skaldi have used both gnome and kde14:10
alteregoI'm wondering how ubuntu 11.04 is going to be with unity over gnome 3.0 shell14:11
Skaldwith ubuntu gnome was a lot better14:11
Skaldbut now since i use arch kde is smoother14:11
Skaldsmoother than in kubuntu i mean14:11
alteregoYeah, makes sense14:11
alteregoIn a way ;)14:11
Skaldyea14:12
Skaldand i like the customization etc14:12
Venemogood news: Gnome panel will be ported to Gnome 314:12
Skaldand imo kwin is really functional opposed to compiz having many cool effects14:12
VenemoI simply dislike the Gnome shell, because it is unusable...14:12
alteregoI used to like that, but recently, I've just left ubuntu 10.10 as it's default.14:12
alteregoI can't be bothered changing much, except a few keybindings :)14:13
Skaldthen i believe gnome is the right choice14:13
Skaldworks like a charm14:13
RST38hGnome is fine14:13
Venemowhat I like in Gnome is that it is dead easy to use and find anything in it14:14
RST38hHave not checked KDE in a while, probably also ok14:14
alteregoWell, I'm not talking about ditching it yet ;) I was just wondering why so many people had issues with KDE 4 over previous releases.14:14
Skaldwhen i used kubuntu the problem was that it was so cluttered14:14
Skaldin arch that wasn't a problem14:14
RST38hgnome definitely isn't cluttered14:14
RST38hvery minimal14:14
Skaldalmost "minimal" D:14:15
Skaldi mean kde in arch was almost minimal14:15
kerioi installed ubuntu 10.10 netbook on a friend's netbook14:16
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keriothe default interface was so sluggish it looked like hildon14:16
keriohell, it was slower14:16
alteregoWell, try to compile any of these desktops from source and the word minimal is quickly replaced with "wtf?!?" :14:16
Venemohow come?14:17
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kerioVenemo: they screwed up bigtime14:17
kerioi set it to standard gnome, it works better14:17
kerioi just set both panels to autohide14:17
kerioand i also enabled compiz14:17
alteregokerio: yeah, I don't bother with the the netbook remix, my gf is running ubuntu 10.04 desktop on hers (my) Dell Mini14:17
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kerioand it was faster than the netbook interface14:17
alteregokerio: ditto14:17
kerioalso i didn't know that but that Atom is actually a dual-core 800mhz cpu14:18
alteregoThough I only hide bottom ba..14:18
alteregokerio: not dual core, it's hyper threading14:18
keriosame thing :)14:18
alteregoNot really :P14:18
keriowell, it's worse14:18
* trumee has been a kde user for the past 8 years14:18
* trumee and always disliked Gnome14:19
kerioi was a kde user, then i was a gnome user, then i moved to a homebrewed xfce+rox-desktop interface14:19
kerionow i use os x14:19
keriorox-desktop rocks14:19
alteregoHeh14:19
Venemoos x? yuch14:19
alteregoWasn't that the risc os X clone?14:20
trumeerox-desktop, is it gtk derived?14:20
keriotrumee: yeah14:20
trumeecrap.14:20
keriowell, i didn't use rox-desktop, i used rox-filer and a couple more things14:20
keriowait, no, i used the whole rox-destkop14:20
kerio*desktop14:20
kerioincluding a clock widget for the taskbar that *i* made14:20
keriobecause there was none14:20
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trumeei somehow find gtk ugly compared to cute.14:21
keriotrumee: i see what you did there :P14:21
trumeeso dont like xfce as well14:22
trumeebut as a light window manager it is good14:23
alteregoWell that's just rubbish :P14:24
alteregoGtk and Qt look the same to me, (except programming with them)14:24
alteregoSame basic widgets same colours ..14:24
VenemoGtk programming is only ugly if you do it with C14:24
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alteregoMeh14:24
alteregoNothing wrong with C :P14:25
Venemoin C++ (Gtkmm) it is more like Qt14:25
alteregoYeah, never used it14:25
Venemoplus there is Vala for the people who like to use an easy language14:25
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kerioVenemo: yeah but then you'd have to use C++14:25
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Venemokerio: so what then?14:25
kerionothing, nothing14:26
kerioit's just that i wouldn't force that on my worse enemy14:26
kerio*worst14:26
Venemokerio: sorry for my being harsh, just becase you are incompetent to use C++ it doesn't mean that it is not a great language14:26
Venemonah14:27
* Venemo is off to eat something14:27
alterego"PHP: The Good Parts" - That should be a small book :S14:28
* alterego contemplates setting up his blog again ...14:29
alteregoAlso need to stick Columbus into gitorious at some point ..14:31
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alteregoI guess tracker uses inotify, I wonder why it sucks sokbad.14:38
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shadeslayerhi when i try to install the maemo SDK i get this http://paste.kde.org/1670/14:55
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shadeslayerthe last part is http://paste.kde.org/167114:56
alteregoWhat distro are you using?14:58
alteregoLooks like it's the vdso issue15:00
Jaffaaf'noon, all15:00
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alteregoshadeslayer: Are you running 32 or 64bit?15:00
alteregoshadeslayer, Regardless: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support15:01
alterego;)15:01
shadeslayer64bit15:01
alteregoHey Jaffa :)15:01
alteregoJaffa did you have a good New Year?15:01
shadeslayer64bit Kubuntu15:01
shadeslayer11.04 that is15:01
alteregoOkay, well follow the x86-64 kernel notes then15:02
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alteregoI usually do the last bit where you stick those three lines in /etc/sysctl.conf, you don't have to worry about it then.15:03
alteregoI also installed scratchbox manually and it added that stuff.15:03
alterego(Which is probably why I didn't suffer this issue on Ubuntu 10.10)15:03
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shadeslayeralterego: do i have to restart the install  now?15:06
shadeslayerand download everything again15:06
alteregoYes15:06
shadeslayer:(15:06
alteregoThoguh hopefully it wont have to download everything again ;)15:06
Jaffaalterego: Hoping so ;-)15:06
shadeslayerit does ..15:06
alteregoIt should have cached ;)15:06
shadeslayerit is cached15:06
shadeslayeri can see it15:06
alterego;)15:06
alteregoJaffa: good good :)15:07
shadeslayerbut last time i restarted it, it downloaded everything agagin15:07
shadeslayer*again15:07
alteregoLets hope it's a good year for mobile Linux15:07
alteregoshadeslayer: this is why I do it manually.15:07
shadeslayeralterego: and the manual way is given on the same page?15:08
FredrIQ|n900the thing i don't like with *buntu is that it tends to selfdestruct every ½ year (the dist-upgrade)15:08
alteregoshadeslayer: nope15:08
FredrIQ|n900never had any luck at all with it15:08
alteregoFredrIQ|n900: I always do fresh installs.15:08
alteregoDon't trust dist upgrades.15:09
FredrIQ|n900Yeah, i've experienced that... :p15:09
shadeslayeralterego: what about http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation15:09
FredrIQ|n900failed 2 of 2 times - forced to reinstall15:09
* FredrIQ|n900 will probably go over to a rolling-release distro like Archlinux15:10
BCMMi prefer rolling-release15:10
FredrIQ|n900lol hivemind15:10
alteregoI just like doing clean installs anyway, forces me to do a biyearly home mop up15:14
alteregoI'm a perfectionist and I know I'll never get a computer setup that will be perfect.15:14
alteregoSo the occasional nuking keeps my neurotic tendencies at bay ;)15:14
alteregoshadeslayer: looks right yeah.15:14
alteregoshadeslayer: you have the benifit of being able to save all the stuff you download too. So you can archive it and not have to do it again ^.^15:15
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shadeslayeralterego: lawl :D15:15
shadeslayerwell15:15
shadeslayertheres a cache file ill need to edit15:15
shadeslayeror i could just install them debs :P15:15
alteregoIf you can find the files the previous installed, you should be okay.15:15
alteregoshadeslayer: well, scratchbox is already installed.15:15
shadeslayeroh kewp15:15
alteregoYou need to setup your targets is all.15:16
shadeslayer*kewl15:16
alteregoTry from /scratchbox/login15:18
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alteregoThen run: sb-conf ls -T15:19
alteregoThat'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because you're install failed here)15:19
alteregos/you're/your/15:20
aptalterego meant: That'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because your install failed here)15:20
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JaffaIs garage.maemo.org FUBAR?15:25
Termanaja15:27
JaffaFFS15:27
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alterego"ColumbusDialogWaypointsItemMenu" freakin' hell.15:38
alteregoI think I might have to do some namespacing/refactoring of some kind.15:38
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timeless_mbpooh15:50
alteregoAloha timeless_mbp15:50
timeless_mbppeople are talking about upgrading maemo sdk's15:50
* timeless_mbp did that last week15:50
alteregoupgrading?15:50
alteregoTo what?15:50
timeless_mbpsnapshots: intrepid-eol; karmic-eol; lucid; lucid-vbox4ga15:51
timeless_mbpLTS :)15:51
alteregoOooo15:51
* timeless_mbp wonders if JeOS still works15:51
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FredrIQ|n900Hrm, is there any httpd for N900 at all?15:58
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FredrIQ|n900with PHP support15:58
BCMMthere is lighttpd, dunno if it's built with php16:01
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BCMMis there even php for hte n900?16:01
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trxsearch php5 in repos16:01
trxthere are some afaik16:02
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BCMMFredrIQ|n900: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP16:02
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FredrIQ|n900there is php5 yes16:03
BCMMactually, i'm sure there are better docs than that about16:03
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FredrIQ|n900PHP4... apache 1.3...16:06
FredrIQ|n900seems outdated16:07
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alteregoOkay, waypoints now almost finished, hrm, probably a good time for a 0.9.2 release then.16:13
alteregoAnd on to doing routing.16:13
timeless_mbpheh, i last used jeos on Mar 1 :)16:14
FredrIQ|n900Yay :p16:16
FredrIQ|n900"500 - Internal Server Error"16:16
FredrIQ|n900At least it started16:16
* FredrIQ|n900 has to look what that makes that happen16:16
alteregoWhat are you doing btw?16:20
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FredrIQ|n900Trying to setup a PHP dev environment16:21
alteregoYou just want to be able to do mobile web dev?16:21
FredrIQ|n900yes16:21
alteregoFor anything in particular? Or just general pissing around?16:21
FredrIQ|n900ofc i'm not going to use a SERVER on a device like this :P16:21
alteregoSure, I know.16:22
alteregoJust wondering if you had a project idea in particular.16:22
FredrIQ|n900ah, yes, i have16:22
FredrIQ|n900and i'm working on it at my computer16:22
FredrIQ|n900Just want to be able to play with it on my phone as well16:22
alteregoBecause a while ago I started working on a Python based web server for the N900, that allowed you to view your contacts, messages, photos etc.16:23
alteregoWas wondering if you were doing something similar.16:23
FredrIQ|n900Ah, not like that16:23
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FredrIQ|n900Hrm, is there any way to get more info than just a 500? Enabled error logging, but it didn't even write the file16:26
lardmanAnyone else having troubles with Garage?16:27
alteregolardman: yeah, no connect for me.16:27
lardmanalterego: cheers16:27
alteregoJust request time out16:27
lardmanyeah same here on the extras assistant16:28
alteregoUpload via scp?16:28
lardmanI suppose I could try, will have a look for the instructions16:28
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Cegyhi, can someone please help me fine the default/stock zimage for pr1.3 ?16:31
lardmanhmm, not going to work as I can't upload my RSA SSH, ah well16:31
lardmanCegy: download the FIASCO image and extract the components using flasher-3.516:32
Cegyhow would 1 extract the components ?16:32
lardmanhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.516:32
alteregoCegy: have you got flasher installed?16:32
Cegyyep16:32
lardman--unpack16:33
timeless_mbpgrr16:33
timeless_mbpanyone here speak Dutch?16:33
alteregoCegy: basically, flasher-3.5 -u -f /path/to/PR1.3_FIASCO_IMAGE16:33
alteregotimeless_mbp: why? :)16:33
timeless_mbpalterego: someone wrote something into a dutch thingy and signed w/ my email address16:33
alteregoO_o16:33
alteregoWhat does it say?16:34
lardmantimeless_mbp: Google?16:34
timeless_mbphttp://terras.write2me.nl/16:34
* timeless_mbp wonders if it's a drug spammer16:34
alteregoT16:35
alteregoThe only one I see from you is the top one in English ..16:35
Spookjewhich post? /me is dutch..16:35
Cegynothing16:35
Cegy:/16:35
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timeless_mbpalterego: i didn't post it!16:35
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Cegymight be better if i told you the problem16:35
alteregotimeless_mbp: oh, well, it's in English? :P16:35
timeless_mbpSpookje: the one that claims to be from timeless ....16:36
alteregoCegy: you just want to flash the kernel right?16:36
lardmanlooks English to me too16:36
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timeless_mbplardman: well... the <whatever> host isn't English16:36
Spookjeyes, i see... the page is from a belgian motorclub...16:36
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timeless_mbpi think it was spammed by someone who filled in my email address16:37
Venemotimeless_mbp: maybe a guy typo'd his e-mail address...16:37
timeless_mbpit'd be nice if someone told this club or write2me to validate email addresses16:37
timeless_mbpand protect against spammers16:37
Cegyi was following the guide to install gingerbread and when i reboot the multimenu is blank, if i press 0 it won't load maemo up so i want to get the phone working again without having to reflash the whole phone16:37
Spookjeno, the link is to a drugs spampage...16:37
timeless_mbpVenemo: what Spookje said16:37
alteregoCegy: right, so you want to reflash, just the kernel :P16:37
Cegyyes but noi luck :P16:38
Cegyi used16:38
CegyC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R16:38
lardmanthat should work16:38
alteregobootmenu wipes initfs right?16:39
lardmanwhat were the steps to get Gingerbread working?16:39
lardmanmy N900 tells me I have no initfs when I boot in R&D mode16:39
Cegy1sec16:40
timeless_mbpSpookje: right, so, would you be willing to inform write2me or the autoclub that they should do something to block spammers?16:40
SpookjeI could give it a try, but this looks to me like some shitty standard guestbook for people that do not know how to create webapplications....16:41
Spookjeso i doubt if they have any clue as to how to do that :P16:41
timeless_mbpheh16:41
timeless_mbpSpookje: if it's write2me, perhaps they could learn16:42
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Cegyso i flashed the kernel with the cmd as i just said the only thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg16:43
Spookjei'll send them a quick e-mail..16:43
timeless_mbpthanks16:44
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Spookjelol, they don't even have a contact e-mail listed on their site..16:44
lardmanreflash pre-init perhaps?16:45
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Cegyand what would that do as such ?16:45
lardmanbut don't quote me, just going from the error a chap saw here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5876916:45
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lardmanI'd grab that tarball and see what the script does16:46
Cegyso u fully understand the phone will not boot so its dead16:46
lardmanYou have a PC presumably as you are talking to us on IRC.....16:47
Cegycorrect16:47
lardmanso, grab the tarball, extract it, see what it does, reflash relevant component16:47
lardmanYou should also think carefully about whether you had the power-kernel installed, as then your kernel modules won't match so you'll need to flash that instead of the vanilla one16:48
Cegyahh16:48
lardmanhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=905785#post90578516:49
lardmanmight be of use16:49
lardmanMohammadAG gives a kernel command line to use16:49
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Cegyfrom wat i know it had the power kernel on (this phone isn't mine)16:49
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lardmanin which case you'll need to grab the deb for that, extract the zImage and flash that instead16:50
lardmanbut I'd at least try the kernel cmd line and see if it does anything16:50
timeless_mbpSpookje: http://www.write2me.nl/helpdesk.php ? :(16:50
Spookjeoh well, i always write to webmaster :P16:51
* lardman seems to remember the Maemo.org related websites going down last Christmas too16:51
timeless_mbpyou'd know best. and thanks :)16:51
timeless_mbplardman: holiday tradition!16:51
lardmantimeless_mbp: indeed :)16:51
alteregolardman: yeah, I remember that also.16:51
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alteregoMaybe it's just because this time of year there's no one there to fix things so we notice outages as they last a lot longer ;)16:52
lardmandifficult that the holidays are when the staff aren't around to kick boxes, but the hobby devs are trying to do stuff16:52
piggzhi, any experience with qtoolbuttons in a toolbar on maemo cutting off text regardless of its length (happens with long and short strings)?  I also find the sizing of icons odd as, if there is no text, a large icon is drawn, and with text, a small icon.16:52
Cegytryed that and no luck16:53
lardmaninit=/sbin/preinit_orig16:54
lardmansounds like that assumes the preinit has been backed up16:54
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lardmanwell I'd try flashing the power-kernel, then try flashing the preinit if that doesn't work16:55
Cegyjust ntoiced there is a zimage for pr1.3 may i should of tryed that first16:55
lardmanno guarantee though16:55
lardmanCegy: I thought you had the FIASCO image for pr1.3 which you'd unpacked?16:56
Cegywould any power kernel work16:56
Cegyi couldn't unpack it with the cmd you toldme :(16:56
lardmanhmm16:56
lardmanin which case you didn't have a FIASCO image]16:56
lardmanwhere did you download it from?16:56
Cegyhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php16:56
lardmanhmm, should be fine16:57
lardmanwhat was the error?16:57
lardmanperhaps the download was corrupted?16:57
Cegymore like what wasn't the error as it didn't know nor did it understand the cmd16:57
lardmanwhat does just running "flasher-3.5" do?16:58
lardmanno path necessary as it should be in /usr/bin afair16:58
Cegyso you know am using windows not linux16:59
lardmanoh16:59
Cegythat cmd would give me the help16:59
lardmanwell the switches may be different for Windows17:00
lardmanbackslash rather than dash for example, I don't know17:01
Cegy-u, --unpack[=ARG]          Unpack a FIASCO image17:01
lardmantry /u17:01
lardmanmore windows-like afair17:01
Cegythat doesn't work anyway i think i'll look for a power kernel and see what happens17:02
lardmanLooking at the help for flasher-3.5, I can't see what flashes the preinit17:02
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lardmanif it's part of the rootfs, you're probably in trouble, anyone know17:02
lardmananyway good luck, let us know how you get on, /me heads off to do some coding in front of the TV17:03
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Cegyok thanks for the help17:03
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* alterego looks at the rest of his todo list17:06
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alteregoShould maybe attempt to make landscape/portrait transitions nicer ..17:08
alteregoBut that is sort of out of my control unfortunately ..17:08
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hueehi17:10
hueeis there any app that i can use as timetable on OS2008?17:10
Cegyalterego do you know if its possible to backup your files when your phone is acting dead (won't boot into maemo)17:10
alteregoHrm,17:11
SpeedEvilCegy: what's it doing?17:11
alteregoDoes it boot into anything?17:11
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alteregoYou can run a backup by booting meego from a microsd card and backup in meego17:11
Cegythe best i got it to do is to boot into debian but it need a user/pass17:11
alterego What?17:12
alteregoYou got your N900 to boot into debian?17:12
Cegyyeah with the meego zmimage17:13
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Cegyas i said this isn't my phone so i don't know what is or isn't on it lol17:13
alteregoYou're completely confusing things now.17:13
alteregoWhat has MeeGo got to do with Debian?17:14
Cegyi don't know, am only telling you what its doing lol17:14
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alteregoWell, clearly you're not.17:15
FIQ|n900)j #php17:15
Cegylol17:15
FIQ|n900ehm17:15
Cegyonly thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg17:15
alteregoMeeGo doesn't ask for a user/pass17:15
Cegythats all it does at the moment17:15
alteregoSo you're doing something else.17:15
alteregoSure, I know what your problem is I have been listening :P17:16
Cegyeach time i try a diffrent zmimage am back to same old problem17:16
Cegy:P17:16
alteregoDid you manage to unpack the fiasco image?17:17
Cegyno17:17
alteregoOkay, well, run: flasher-3.5 -F C:\\Path\To\RX-51*.bin -u17:18
Cegywhat i do know is that its pr 1.3 and it did have power kernel on it17:18
alteregoThat will unpack the contents of the fiasco image into your current directory.17:18
alteregoIf that command is successfull you should see a load of "Unpacking blah to file 'blah'"17:19
Cegyi get kernel: %m17:19
alteregoWhat?17:20
alteregoDid you just do what I said?17:20
Cegyyep17:20
CegyC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.3617:20
Cegy-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u17:20
Cegyflasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)17:20
Cegykernel: %m17:20
alteregoOkay, and did it say "Unpacking blah image to file 'blah'"17:20
alteregoThat is all it said?17:21
Cegyyep17:21
alteregoand there is nothing in your current directory?17:21
Cegysure there is the fiasco image is17:22
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alteregoOkay, so again, you didn't do what I said.17:23
Aranelwhat is xMasDroid? is it some N900-related flavour of original Gingerbread? Should I install it instead of Gingerbread itself?17:23
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alteregoCegy: No, do what I said.17:23
alteregos/No/Now17:23
alteregoAnd come back to me when you've done what I said.17:23
alteregoHint: Don't try to be clever.17:24
Cegyok17:24
Cegysame17:25
alteregoWhat did you just type17:25
CegyC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher17:25
Cegy-3.5 kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u17:25
Cegyflasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)17:25
CegyC:\Program: %m17:25
alterego-_-17:25
alteregoYou didn't do what I said, AGAIN17:25
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alteregoWhen did I tell you to add "kernel" to the command line?17:26
alteregoDid you even read the help?!17:26
Cegyoh yea17:26
Cegylol17:26
CegyC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher17:26
Cegy-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u17:26
Cegyflasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)17:26
CegyC:\Program: %m17:26
Cegysame17:26
Cegythe location of the image is inside the flasher folder17:27
DocScrutinizer-F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5 :-D17:27
alteregoWhich is your current directory right?17:27
alteregoJust do: flasher-3.5 "-F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin" -u17:27
alteregoSorry, Just do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u17:27
* alterego sighs17:28
DocScrutinizerdoes dosbox know to globber17:28
alteregodosbox?17:28
Cegyu make a same misstake BUT it works now17:28
DocScrutinizercmd17:28
alteregoYeah, has done for ages.17:28
DocScrutinizerwgarever that shit in win is called17:28
alteregoCegy: what are you talking about?17:29
alteregoCegy: if it worked, I didn't make a mistake.17:29
alteregoYou're the one typing this shit in, the mistake is yours ..17:29
Cegyu said  flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u when it should of bern  flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36*.bin -u17:29
alteregoIf you actually were listening you would have done it the first time ..17:29
alteregoWhat?17:29
alteregoYou've just pasted to identical commands ..17:30
Cegylook after 2017:30
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Cegy20_17:30
Cegyvs 20.17:30
alteregoOh, I got the filename wrong .. sorry ..17:30
Cegyhehe17:30
alteregoI would have thought that would have been a bit of common sense.17:30
alteregoConsidering I'm going from memory here ..17:30
Cegyi got the zimage and it was the same 1 as i already tryed before17:30
alteregoCegy: what are you using to verify they are the same image?17:31
Cegyhashtab17:31
alteregoCegy: and where did you get the first one?17:31
Cegythe crc32/md5 and sha265 r the same17:31
alteregoOkay17:31
DocScrutinizerCegy: if you were smart you'd have used tab-completion on filename17:31
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Cegyhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=906353&postcount=1017:32
alteregoNow do: flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l -b17:32
alteregoMAke sure the N900 is not connected17:32
alteregoAnd it is turned offf.17:32
alteregoOnce you've started that command, plug the N900 in via USB and tell me what happens.17:32
DocScrutinizerssssssssssssssssss17:33
DocScrutinizer:-P17:33
alterego"tick, tick, tick, bOOM!" :)17:33
Cegybang17:33
Cegy:P17:33
Cegyit sent the zimage but once it was done the blacklight was turned of then the nokia logo faded away and it looks like it crashed17:34
alteregoHrm17:34
alteregoOkay,17:34
alteregoPossibly because it couldn't find the kernel modules.17:35
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alterego(because you were using the power kernel)17:35
Cegyahh is there any way for me to fix this ?17:35
DocScrutinizermeego-rescue-initrd17:35
alteregoSure, there's always a way to fix it.17:35
alteregoThe problem is, you don't know what you're doing ;)17:35
DocScrutinizer~flash17:35
apthmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware17:35
alteregoWhat you need to do is flash the power kernel17:36
alterego(Is suspect)17:36
Cegyi might not know what am doing but this nice guy iss helping me :P17:36
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* alterego wonders what version of kernel power you were using ;)17:38
alteregoDownload this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo42_armel.deb17:38
DocScrutinizeralterego: iff the modules need PK the use a PK fiasco and extract zimage there17:38
DocScrutinizererr17:38
alteregoThere's a PK fiasco? :D17:39
DocScrutinizeryeayea17:39
DocScrutinizer:-P17:39
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alteregoCegy: download that link I just posted.17:39
Cegyok i extract zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco17:39
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alteregoOh, it is a fiasco?17:40
Cegyyeah thats from inside of the boot folder17:40
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alteregoInteresting.17:40
alteregoCool,17:40
alteregoHang on.17:40
Cegyok17:41
alteregoOkay, now do: flasher-3.5 -F boot/zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco -f -b17:41
alterego(Obviously adjusting the path appropriately)17:42
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DocScrutinizer(using tab key to expand/complete)17:42
alteregoSame as before, make sure the N900 is off when you connect  it to the USB cable (after you've started flasher)17:42
Cegyno luck with that seems to be doing the same again (no backlight and then turns off)17:44
alteregoWell, I have two more major things to do, add Trip/Routing functionality and add tracklog history loading.17:44
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* DocScrutinizer wonders why Cegy doesn't simply do a full COMBINED flashing17:45
alteregoCegy: So you start the flasher program, you then plug in the N900 (which is turned off) and it turns on then crashes?17:45
alteregoIs that what you're saying?17:45
Cegycorrect17:45
alteregoHrm ..17:45
alteregoI think you're going to have to flash the rootfs17:45
alteregoYou'll loose installed applications but user data will still be intact.17:46
DocScrutinizeraka COMBINED17:46
alterego(contacts, photos etc)17:46
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Cegyif thats the case i'll leave it untill the guy comes back and see what he wants to do with it17:47
alteregoOkay17:47
alteregoOtherwise, maybe ask on the nitdroid forums for any pointers on how to fix your booting issue.17:47
kerio(int*)0xdeadbeef17:48
alterego:)17:48
alteregoI've seen that a few times kerio ;)17:48
Cegyok thanks for the help :)17:48
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alteregoCegy: sorry we couldn't sort it, if it's something a bit more complicated it's just a real pain to debug via proxy ;)17:49
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kerioif i ever designed a kernel on 0xdeadbeef you could always find "deadbeef\0"17:49
Cegynp :)17:49
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Venemogood afternoon MohammadAG17:52
alteregoHey Venemo17:52
Venemohey alterego :)17:52
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Venemowhat's up?17:54
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alteregoSame old junk really.17:55
Venemo:P17:56
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BluesLeeMohammadAG: ping18:33
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BluesLeei have some questions concerning scratchbox + kernel-power18:38
BluesLeewithin scratchbox i did "apt-get source kernel-power"18:39
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BluesLeedo i really need the kernel-power-headers package?18:39
BluesLeeall headers seem to be included in the kernel-power sources18:40
SpeedEvilI would suspect kernel-powrer-headers is simply to build stuff that requires hte ernel headers that are also supplied witht he kenrel18:40
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BluesLeei moved the headers directory away just to see that they are not used and the compilation works anyway18:41
BluesLeeunfortunately the compiled modules cannot be inserted on the n900 "invalid module format"18:42
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BluesLeeSpeedEvil: i am pretty sure that i have a kind of mismatch18:43
SpeedEvilare you running kernel-power kernel?18:43
BluesLeeyes18:43
BluesLeeuname -r gives me the version 4618:43
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BluesLeeand apt-cache policy kernel-power resp kernel-power-headers looks okay18:44
SpeedEvilunsure18:45
BluesLeeit must be something stupid18:47
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GeneralAntillesHow the hell does anybody use Windows 7 on a daily basis. . . .18:50
VenemoGeneralAntilles: why?18:52
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GeneralAntillesVenemo: trying to print to a networked printer is apparently impossible.18:53
GeneralAntillesVZAcess shit, VPN shit, etc.18:53
Venemoeh.18:53
LjLdoes Android work well on the N810?18:56
alteregoHeh18:56
alteregoDoes Android run well?18:57
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: hey19:12
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp: howdy19:12
timeless_mbphrm, oh yeah, getting printing working at work was "exciting"19:12
timeless_mbpwe ended up using OS X and Linux19:12
timeless_mbpmuch easier than windows :(19:12
timeless_mbpbut no, network printing does work on windows19:12
timeless_mbpit's more about poorly designed printer trees19:12
timeless_mbp(random inconsistent naming conventions)19:13
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timeless_mbperr, there's a galaxy tab commercial on BBCWN19:13
GeneralAntillesIt's incredible to me that WPA2 still causes problems in Windows 7.19:14
timeless_mbpit does?19:14
timeless_mbphrm,19:14
* timeless_mbp ponders19:14
timeless_mbpi have w7 in my vm, and there's a wpa2 network @work19:14
timeless_mbpbut i generally don't bridge the adapter...19:14
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jacekowskiwell, i have OCE plotter at work19:18
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jacekowskiget that working on linux or osx19:18
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timeless_mbphttp://global.oce.com/products/plotwave300/downloads.aspx19:20
timeless_mbphttp://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=7BB2F14C-F13D-472A-92B4-6F1D3C23C05019:20
timeless_mbpthat's an OS X postscript driver19:20
GeneralAntilleslol19:21
timeless_mbpso it looks like the answer is "it's possible for OS X", but forget Linux :)19:21
* RST38h yawns19:21
jacekowskiwell, i was more interested in linux19:22
jacekowskiand on different plotter19:23
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Echo_I might have fucked something up with my SD card19:25
Echo_I'm unable to mount it19:25
Echo_I also tried mounting it through USB but that failed too19:25
jacekowskihave you tried turning it off and on again?19:26
timeless_mbpjacekowski: which plotter? :)19:26
timeless_mbpyou didn't specify19:26
jacekowski940019:26
jacekowskiand linux19:27
jacekowskino drivers for it19:27
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timeless_mbphttp://global.oce.com/products/9400/downloads.aspx19:27
timeless_mbphttp://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=74478F83-C471-40BD-ABFA-C28154FD25F019:27
timeless_mbpOS X drivers available19:27
jacekowskiyeah19:27
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Echo_yes jacekowski19:27
jacekowskinot very usefull on linux19:28
timeless_mbpclearly you need a better os :)19:28
timeless_mbpe.g. one that virtualizes pritner drivers19:28
timeless_mbps/tn/nt/19:28
apttimeless_mbp meant: e.g. one that virtualizes printer drivers19:28
Echo_I used to be able to mount /and on my N90019:28
jacekowskiEcho_: it's probably Neutrino overload on the nameserver19:29
Echo_wat19:29
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jacekowskidon't worry you can fix it19:29
Echo_how? :)19:29
jacekowskias we know neutrinos stop in heavy water19:30
jacekowskiso get some19:30
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Echo_ok19:30
timeless_mbpheh19:30
SpeedEvilI think you mean neutrons.19:30
jacekowskino19:30
jacekowskii meant neutrinos19:30
SpeedEvilThe half-distance for neutrinos in water is around a thousand light-years.19:30
SpeedEvilAdmittedly, some do stop.19:30
jacekowskii said heavy water19:30
SpeedEvilin heavy water too.19:30
SpeedEvilNeutrinos do not interact much with normal matter. Neutrons do.19:31
jacekowskiwell then it's maybe because The kernel license has expired19:31
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Venemojacekowski: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino19:33
jacekowskidoesn't matter it's probably kernel license not neutrino19:34
Echo_oh wow what a bs situation19:36
RST38h"Online Impersonations Now Illegal In California"19:36
timeless_mbpRST38h: yes19:36
Echo_because the back of my N900 was out and the camera got turned on19:36
Echo_because of that the SD card was blocked19:36
* RST38h won't be impersonating Arney any more19:37
RST38hPity...19:37
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chem|stdirty 2011!20:22
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infobotCahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected20:22
aptCahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected20:22
Venemohi infobot :)20:22
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DocScrutinizer~ping20:23
infobot~pong20:23
Venemohey DocScrutinizer20:23
DocScrutinizerhi20:23
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alteregoAnd I'm back in the room.20:27
chem|stdoes anyone know a music distribution website?20:29
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chem|steasy-to-use, and maybe a credit system20:30
alteregoitunes?20:31
* alterego chuckles20:31
alteregoDoesn't ovi have a music thingy?20:31
chem|stalterego: easy-to-use!20:32
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jhb1Just came across the bugfix by tomast of the hildon-desktop cpu issue. I am really delighted to see the community around the system. :-D21:00
SpeedEvil:)21:00
alteregoIt is cool :)21:00
alteregoWe've always had a kick ass community though ;)21:00
SpeedEvils/kick ass/ass-kicked/21:01
alteregoHeh21:01
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MohammadAGlol21:04
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pupnikjhb1: what issue is that - a pr 1.3 battery-eater bug?21:08
jhb1SpeedEvil: :-)21:11
jhb1pupnik: yes - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54462&page=1221:12
pupniknice21:14
pupnika good reason for going with a foss-oriented device21:15
jhb1I guess one of the things I am interested in is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6698521:15
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jhb1would like to see if I can help with the ovi maps - there must be a way for voice navigation :-)21:16
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Jaffajhb1: The Community SSU should be released "shortly"21:20
jhb1Jaffa: may I ask - whats a SSU?21:20
JaffaMohammadAG: BTW, would my email be better as a patch to community-ssu-enabler.tar.gz?21:20
Jaffa~ssu21:20
infobotssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU21:20
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jhb1ah, I see21:21
jhb1Jaffa: was that about the hildon-desktop or the maps?21:21
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Jaffajhb1: Anything which is OSS with fixes. i.e. hildon-desktop21:22
MohammadAGJaffa, no worries, I'll look at it soon, it's just that exams sorta kicked in21:22
MohammadAGJaffa, the enabler is on gitorious if you prefer to send a patch there :)21:22
jhb1Jaffa: thanks for the info - how would one get informed of the community ssu?21:24
jhb1via the normal system (e.g. is having extras* enough)?21:24
MohammadAGjhb1, you'll need to enable the repository21:26
lcukJaffa, --force almost never works! what were you trying to do?21:26
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alteregoLets see if QListView#update() screws a list up when called.21:28
alteregoLame, doesn't do anything.21:28
Jaffalcuk: I've no idea ;-) It claimed my local repo wasn't an ancestor; but both it and the remote one showed a consistent history21:28
JaffaMohammadAG: URL?21:29
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Jaffajhb1: Read http://www.mwkn.net/ - it'll be front page news.21:29
JaffaHell, we might even get it on the front page of maemo.org21:29
jhb1Jaffa, thx again :-)21:29
alteregoSSU is all very well and good, but what about an image :P21:30
alteregoDo you think nokia will allow use to upload fiasco images to tablets-dev? :)21:30
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler21:30
JaffaMohammadAG: Ta21:30
Jaffaalterego: Flash PR1.3 then CSSU over the top ;-p21:30
MohammadAGalterego, I asked X-Fade_ if I could upload an on device SDK image, no reply from Nokia legal yet21:30
jhb1MohammadAG: thanks21:31
JaffaMohammadAG: Cloned21:31
alteregoGood thing about mwkn it is trivial to turn it into meego weekly news :D21:31
Jaffaalterego: It's already transitioning.21:31
Jaffaalterego: I'll need to get timsamoff to update the logo ;-)21:31
MohammadAGJaffa, need commit access?21:31
JaffaMohammadAG: I'll do it as a merge request if you prefer; but happy to push straight to the master21:31
alteregoMohammadAG: I bet they say know, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago ..21:31
alteregos/know/no/21:32
infobotalterego meant: MohammadAG: I bet they say no, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago ..21:32
MohammadAGalterego, there's always rapidshare *cough* :P21:32
alteregoHeh, well, it'd be nice if we could get a community tablets-dev, with the same security that allowed us to distribute closed components.21:33
alteregoBut would have the usual extras disclaimer.21:33
alteregoThe problem with having it on tablets-dev, is that Nokia test all of their maemo releases (apparently) ;)21:33
alteregoAnd they're not going to start testing our community images.21:33
alteregoSo they can't endorse them.21:33
MohammadAGalterego, that was a joke wasn't it :P21:34
MohammadAGI need to reverse a commit on git21:34
MohammadAGMatan's hildon-home patches shouldn't be included, they ruin bg select21:34
alteregoNo, wasn't a joke :P21:34
alteregoI just prefer flashing over SSU21:35
VenemoMohammadAG: I'm not sure why they do that21:35
VenemoMohammadAG: I'll look into the sources21:35
MohammadAGalterego, haven't looked at Qt's source code yet, but /usr/share/themes/alpha/images seems to have an image for the list thingy21:36
MohammadAGTouchListBackgroundPressed.png21:36
alteregoInteresting ..21:37
VenemoMohammadAG: plus, for some reason, setting the background on other than the first 4 views doesn't work either21:37
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MohammadAGalterego, /etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png is a symlink to the current theme's image21:39
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MohammadAGactually, /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to /usr/share/themes/$theme21:39
alteregoMohammadAG: yeah, I get the picture.21:39
alteregoI just think it's lame.21:39
alteregoI don't care much about the gradient to be honest.21:39
alteregoflat shading looks fine.21:39
alteregoBesides, they both tear horribly when scrolled :P21:40
MohammadAGyep, painter->drawImage(r, QImage("/etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png")); is enough21:40
MohammadAG(r = option.rect, though you probably figured that out)21:41
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lcukMohammadAG, what happens when these are run on qt systems without hildon theme data?21:42
MohammadAGlcuk, already #ifdef'd it :P21:42
MohammadAGlcuk, but it should simply ignore it21:42
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alteregoI prefer the more portable method ;)21:43
MohammadAGalterego, that's #else'd21:43
MohammadAG:P21:43
lcukand what is the portable method alterego21:43
MohammadAGusing the palette's colour21:44
MohammadAGpainter->fillRect(r, option.palette.highlight().color());21:44
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lcukis the palette also a hildon theme attribute?21:44
alteregolcuk: Yeah, what he said.21:44
MohammadAG(he posted that in the other channel)21:44
alteregoThe palette is set by the theme engine.21:45
lcukalterego, the qt theme engine? or you loading something dynamically and specific to your app?21:45
alteregoNo, the Qt theme engine.21:45
* lcuk nods21:45
alteregoWhich handles looking and feeling like maemo, gnome, windows, os x, etc.21:46
lcuksure21:46
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JaffaMohammadAG: Merge request submitted.21:46
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alteregoUnfortunately in this case, I don't think there is a proper portable way to do it.21:46
JaffaMohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/121:46
alteregoBecause highlight listview background images aren't normal.21:46
MohammadAGJaffa, "No merge requests yet"21:46
MohammadAGhmm, hildon-desktop?21:47
MohammadAGJaffa, why hildon-desktop?21:47
JaffaMohammadAG: Oh, FFS.21:48
JaffaMohammadAG: Can't edit that now.21:48
* Jaffa tries again ;-)21:48
MohammadAG:P21:48
JaffaDefaults in gitorious are shit21:48
* lcuk hands out warm facepalm towels21:48
JaffaMohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/merge_requests/121:49
lcukjaffa, you aren't the first to mention MR functionality is clumsy21:49
lcukbut it does allow efficient review :)21:49
Kaadlajkthose defaults on merge request really make no sense :)21:49
Jaffalcuk: Now to see if I can rescue my garage git repo21:49
lcuk++21:50
MohammadAGJaffa, what does dpkg-divert do?21:50
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MohammadAGalso, shouldn't we restore the original apt-worker in prerm?21:51
JaffaMohammadAG: That's what dpkg-divert does21:51
JaffaMohammadAG: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 - worth a quick read21:51
JaffaMohammadAG: I have a feeling that'll be handy21:51
MohammadAGyeah, but you're removing /usr/libexec/apt-worker21:51
JaffaMohammadAG: That's the symlink21:51
MohammadAGthen you're not restoring the original one21:51
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes. I am.21:52
JaffaMohammadAG: That's the '--rename' option to dpkg-divert21:52
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MohammadAGJaffa, so wouldn't postinst fail? ln -s /usr/libexec/apt-worker-cssu.sh /usr/libxec/apt-worker since the file exists21:52
MohammadAGhmm21:53
MohammadAGso dpkg-divert --rename renames the file?21:53
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes21:54
JaffaMohammadAG: The one in postinst moves it away, and the next line puts a symlink in the space vacated. The one in prerm happens after the symlink's been removed and puts the original back into the space21:55
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[DarkGUNMAN]hello! does anyone know their way around caturing text using a regex from a file?22:06
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[DarkGUNMAN]awk and grep are doiung my head in22:06
jhb1[DarkGUNMAN]: sometimes I can match some text with my regexes22:07
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Jaffalcuk: Worked out my problem - my HEAD's become detached from a branch22:08
MohammadAGJaffa, sent the source to the builder22:08
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[DarkGUNMAN]I'm attempting to read an html file downloaded from yahoo weather - to get the path for the PNG graphic file22:09
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JaffaHmm. Problem with missing a Boxing Day MWKN is now that there're a ton of articles to edit.22:27
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alteregoHeh22:27
alteregoHrm ..22:31
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pupnik\p/ quole... http://qole.blogspot.com/2010/11/n900-meego-chroot-part-3-polishing.html22:32
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MohammadAGalterego, the text thing I asked you about is called elide apparently (shortening text that doesn't fit)22:37
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alteregoOh, right22:38
alteregoYeah, I should probably look into that at some pint.22:38
alterego~point22:38
infobothmm... point is that the SYN packets fill up the TCP backlog, so no legitimate clients can connect22:38
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alteregoHahah22:39
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JaffaMohammadAG: I prefer "ellipsisification"22:41
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MohammadAGJaffa, Qt devs disagree :P22:42
alteregoHeh,22:42
JaffaMohammadAG: Who's the native English speaker, eh?22:42
JaffaI've got a copy of "Fowler's Modern English Usage" on my bookshelf. So I must be qualified, n'est pas?22:43
MohammadAGOui, bien sur22:43
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JaffaMohammadAG: "elide" seems to be slightly incorrect anyway (according to "define:elide" in Google)22:45
alteregoAnd you believe that? :P22:46
panthere_noireHello, I sure the nokia n900 a process that takes 12% of the ram22:46
panthere_noirename: / usr / sbin / browserd22:46
alteregoWell, it does mean leave out22:46
alteregoWhich is fine ..22:46
panthere_noireIs it necessary?22:48
ShadowJKit's the browser22:48
MohammadAGit's the browser22:48
MohammadAGif my last message shows up after 10s of shadowjk said, blame lag :P22:48
MohammadAGof what*22:48
SpeedEvilbrowserd is the browser - it's started even whent eh web broser is not running.22:49
SpeedEvilTo speed up loading.22:49
SpeedEvilYou can stop it - but then the web or conversations or other things it implements may be a bit slower.22:49
SpeedEvilto start up22:49
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panthere_noireSpeedEvil, ok how I can put killall an end because there was not enough this revival?22:51
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SpeedEvilIt is restarted three times by22:55
SpeedEvildsme if I remember right22:55
SpeedEvilkill it twice more22:55
MohammadAGor just stop browserd?22:55
MohammadAGor /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon.init stop22:56
SpeedEviloh - yea - that22:56
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DocScrutinizer*cough* on google translate23:01
DocScrutinizerbtw I wonder if a dbus call would start browserd23:03
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DocScrutinizeror simply fail with "destination unknown"23:04
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DocScrutinizerdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" ... is what I mean23:06
DocScrutinizermight fail when browserd isn't preloaded23:06
MohammadAGor fail silently23:06
MohammadAGsince that's how most maemo 5 error handling works :P23:06
DocScrutinizeryep. dbus has a method to start processes on demand though23:07
MohammadAGI need com.nokia.FMTx's documentation23:07
MohammadAGoh yay23:08
MohammadAGhttp://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/fmtx-middleware/fmtx_api.html23:08
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[DarkGUNMAN]does anyone here know how to use regex to capture a string within an html file?23:27
[DarkGUNMAN]grep or awk23:28
rangehttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags23:30
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DocScrutinizer[DarkGUNMAN]: which html file?23:37
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Appiahhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5504 Status says NEW but this is fixed.. what needs to be done next?23:46
povbot`Bug 5504: No seeking for Flac (1.0.5)23:46
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MohammadAGAppiah, if it's fixed I can close it23:50
MohammadAGAppiah, does it work for you?23:50
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userso anyone know what the status of neopwn is?23:51
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MohammadAGdead23:51
Appiahwell I have extra-devel on and it does not work for me?23:52
Appiahnot seen a update..23:52
alteregoDoes everyones facebook sharing plugin work for images?23:55
alteregoI swear mine stopped working a few months ago.23:55
MohammadAGAppiah, I mean, should I close the bug?23:55
Appiahno idea23:55
AppiahI dont know the process :D23:55
alteregoovi sharing isn't working either.23:56
MohammadAGalterego, mine does23:56
alteregoSo it probably isn't anything to do with that ^.^23:56
alteregoI'm definitely going to have to reflash when I get my second N90023:56
MohammadAGalterego, remove the account and readd it, then revalidate23:56
MohammadAGalterego, also, have you downloaded the internet yet? :P23:56
alteregoHeh :D23:57
alteregoLike my avatar do you :P23:58
alteregoDirty internet pervert :P23:58
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alteregoStop cyber stalking me :P23:58
MohammadAGalterego, your Media IM status updater announce thread is a privacy breach :P23:59

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