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| GAN900 | Ugh, sinus infection. | 00:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not a cosine infection? | 00:24 |
| merlin_1991 | whatabout tangent? | 00:24 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I hope not. The drugs for that are way more expensive. | 00:33 |
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| CableTwitch | Y'ello | 01:01 |
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| CableTwitch | Question. Has anyone been having issues with Pigin and ICQ accounts recently? | 01:01 |
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| CableTwitch | I guess not. | 01:05 |
| nox- | i dont use icq but ive read ppl had issues with pidgin too... | 01:05 |
| nox- | just their usual protocol rototilling i guess... | 01:06 |
| CableTwitch | Ahh, so its not just me. Alrighty. | 01:06 |
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| blackthorne | is the n900 supposed to work with a non nokia set of headphones? | 01:28 |
| nox- | id say so | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: ping | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: blue_led1 is looking for source of g_file_storage / g_nokia. Got any pointer for him? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | or anybody else of course | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mxr | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, checking my bookmarks - I feel like having asked same question yesterday :-D | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't find it | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/.... | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/nokia.c ?? | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blue_led1: ^^^ | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c | 01:37 |
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| blue_led1 | found what i need ! | 01:40 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, how's the weather over there? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cold and snowy | 01:59 |
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| * GAN900 is freezing and it's 13°C | 02:01 | |
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| GAN900 | Dublin aclimation lasted about 48 hours. | 02:01 |
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| range | Thermometer in the car showed -16°C around Munich. | 02:02 |
| range | -10°C in Munich. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes | 02:03 |
| range | Nice one :) | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | at least you guys have snow | 02:03 |
| * MohammadAG grins | 02:04 | |
| range | Shows -17 here. Probably around the airport. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: yeah, a mega fire would be worse | 02:05 |
| CableTwitch | Whats !C when its at home? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Error: does not compute | 02:07 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | morning | 02:13 |
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| b-man` | DocScrutinizer51: that an epic weather site :D | 02:45 |
| b-man` | *tahts | 02:45 |
| b-man` | **thats | 02:46 |
| b-man` | gah, i fail at typing tonight - too much coding :P | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah I can tell from double deref ** | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | b-man`: btw that's one of my N900 desktop shortcuts :-D | 02:55 |
| b-man` | awesome :) | 02:56 |
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| auenf | wtf, had the phone on charge overnight, go to unplug it, and battery bar is red :/ | 03:34 |
| nox- | charger not plugged in? | 03:35 |
| nox- | to mains i mean | 03:35 |
| auenf | ok, i charged it for about a minute, and the battery bar is full now | 03:36 |
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| ieatlint | probably was just the widget not updating | 03:41 |
| ieatlint | race condition.. | 03:41 |
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| cvr5 | hai.................................................................................................................................................................... | 03:43 |
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| ieatlint | that's one hell of an ellipsis | 03:43 |
| Pavlz | hello | 03:43 |
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| cvr5 | #maemo <pavlz> | 03:44 |
| Pavlz | i got a problem with the browser opera on my nokia 770 | 03:44 |
| cvr5 | mobile ya? | 03:45 |
| FLaT` | mm | 03:45 |
| cvr5 | wat pbm da/ | 03:45 |
| Pavlz | 'unable to complete secure connection' | 03:45 |
| Pavlz | and then a long URL | 03:46 |
| cvr5 | c the configuration settings | 03:46 |
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| Pavlz | pratically i can't access to gmail on nokia 770 | 03:47 |
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| cvr5 | k da.ur mob has sme fault.................c it in mob centers immediately | 03:48 |
| psycho_oreos | 770 isn't a mobile phone, its an internet tablet | 03:50 |
| psycho_oreos | and imo opera isn't the standard browser for 770, at least not for n900 when it has microB | 03:50 |
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| Pavlz | ´unable to connections secure transaction' | 03:53 |
| psycho_oreos | that made no sense, in any case I'd bug opera for support status on 770 | 03:54 |
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| lolloo | Morning | 04:05 |
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| pupnik | moo | 04:11 |
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| pupnik | http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Space-1999-science-fiction-3998917-1024-768.jpg best sci fi spaceship of the 70s | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, is this noise generator gone? | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (cvr5) | 04:16 |
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| nox- | pupnik, moonbase alpha? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_One | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | clearly better | 04:19 |
| pupnik | ty nox- | 04:20 |
| pupnik | yes nox- | 04:21 |
| pupnik | i mean SpeedEvil | 04:21 |
| pupnik | but the space:1999 thing was supposed to be a lunar hopper | 04:21 |
| pupnik | and it was sort of reasonable for that role | 04:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | True. | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the initial conceit of the series had a MASSIVE HONKING FLAW. | 04:26 |
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| pupnik | hah NASA has a 'moonbase alpha' game! http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/ltp/games/moonbasealpha/index.html | 04:35 |
| nox- | pupnik, it was the german title of that tv series | 04:37 |
| pupnik | yeah! | 04:37 |
| nox- | :) | 04:38 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, did it go Beep Beep all the time? | 04:39 |
| Termana | :p | 04:39 |
| * nox- suspects noise in space... | 04:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | No - the series was started off by the moon being blown out of its orbit - and indeed out of the solar system - by an explosion | 04:43 |
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| nox- | aw | 04:43 |
| b-man` | gah, when i start to see horizontal lines in my vision, i know i've been on my computer tooooo long :P | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The maximum accelleration the moon can undergo and stay moon-shaped is significantly under 1/6th g | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | b-man`: xrandr -o left | 04:44 |
| b-man` | SpeedEvil: lol | 04:44 |
| b-man` | i mean i can see them when i look away from my monitor lol | 04:44 |
| b-man` | pupnik, it seems that NASA has rescheduled the shuttle launch once again to Feb. 3 :( | 04:49 |
| nox- | oh | 04:50 |
| b-man` | i was hoping to see the launch on the 23rd, guess i'll have to wait until April :P | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | in person? | 04:51 |
| b-man` | yes | 04:51 |
| pupnik | ah well | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | space-x launching soon | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | next few days | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | falcon/dragon | 04:52 |
| b-man` | heh | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 hours Launch and separate from Falcon 9, orbit Earth, transmit telemetry, receive commands, demonstrate orbital maneuvering and thermal control, re-enter atmosphere, and recover Dragon spacecraft | 04:52 |
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| BCMM_ | a proper orbit? | 04:54 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, essentially the same mission as sputnik? | 04:56 |
| BCMM_ | nah, sputnik went beep. | 04:57 |
| b-man` | hehe | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: No. | 04:58 |
| BCMM_ | also, reentered in a way highly incompatible with words like "recovery" | 04:58 |
| lcuk | BCMM_, would you manage to do much more than beep if you had a rocket up your arse? | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Reenter under control, come to a safe landing that would not have killed the crew | 04:58 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, roger | 04:58 |
| BCMM_ | lcuk: i hope never to find out. | 04:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 04:58 |
| b-man` | xD | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's a test of a supply capsule for ISS that can return crew to earth. | 04:58 |
| lcuk | is this being broadcast on NASA? | 04:59 |
| BCMM_ | but not take them up? | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no - however it's webcast | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM_: in principle, take them up too. | 04:59 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, good enough | 04:59 |
| BCMM_ | they want to send it up with food and bring it down with people? are they breeding humans in space now? | 04:59 |
| lcuk | exposing bacon to atomic particles and anything is possible. | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/updates.php | 05:00 |
| BCMM_ | ewww. | 05:00 |
| lcuk | eek they aborted a static fire after lighting the touch paper | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | The really nice thing is that they can abort even with the engines lit. | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Do that with a shuttle, and you're probably dead. | 05:01 |
| BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: so is it supposed to be the way they send people to the station, or just a supply craft you can put people on if you have to? | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM_: As I understand it, they've only got a contract for cargo | 05:02 |
| SpeedEvil | but it could be certified for people | 05:02 |
| BCMM_ | (so that next time they have trouble with their intended ride they can throw some astronauts out with the rubbish) | 05:02 |
| pupnik | Hotlix Tequila Flavor Lollie with Worm | 05:02 |
| pupnik | http://www.americancandy.de/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=1902&osCsid=f3c52758ca6d444bfe48bd39ffdb5113 | 05:02 |
| lcuk | pupnik, :) we had those at Ricks stag do | 05:04 |
| lcuk | errr lads camping weekend/big pissup | 05:04 |
| pupnik | ewwwww :) | 05:06 |
| lcuk | the chocolate ants were worse | 05:07 |
| lcuk | or was it the scorpion | 05:07 |
| * lcuk gets the photos out | 05:07 | |
| toresbe | I've powered up the VMS system now, and as soon as the TCP/IP subsystem comes up, I'll see what state it's in... | 05:11 |
| toresbe | oop, #wrong | 05:11 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/rick.stag.lolly.20100710_038.jpg | 05:11 |
| lcuk | pupnik, the real drink tastes better | 05:12 |
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| pupnik | wow lol lcuk | 05:35 |
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| lolloo | I still cant figure out why the bad quality | 05:40 |
| lolloo | when using skype echo service call | 05:40 |
| lolloo | It's terrible | 05:41 |
| lolloo | can't make a decent call using skype that I need badly | 05:41 |
| lolloo | sluggish and can't hear properly | 05:41 |
| pupnik | Skype was released to the public in August of 2003 | 05:42 |
| pupnik | Skype was officially bought by e-Bay in October of 2005 and paid 2.6 Billion dollars | 05:42 |
| pupnik | >_< | 05:42 |
| chx | toresbe: did you port VMS to the N900? | 05:43 |
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| chx | THAT would be something! | 05:44 |
| toresbe | chx: well, I ran it in an emulator :) | 05:44 |
| chx | toresbe: what emulator? | 05:45 |
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| chx | i know that Hercules run on the N900 which is absolutely mind boggling | 05:47 |
| toresbe | simh | 05:49 |
| toresbe | yeah, it's fantastic :) | 05:49 |
| blackthorne | Hercules? | 05:50 |
| chx | toresbe: simh???????? | 05:51 |
| chx | toresbe: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ ? how this runs on N900? | 05:51 |
| chx | blackthorne: Just in case you need to clean some really dirty stables. | 05:52 |
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| toresbe | blackthorne: IBM mainframe emulator. | 05:57 |
| toresbe | blackthorne: it's fun to put an N900 on the table of a System/360 operator's console. | 05:57 |
| toresbe | And think that the telephone is software-emulating the System/360 faster than real time. | 05:58 |
| chx | LOL | 05:58 |
| nox- | haha | 05:58 |
| chx | the 360 is older than me | 05:58 |
| toresbe | yeah | 05:58 |
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| toresbe | but the N900 can't hold a candle to the 360, blinkenlightswise | 05:59 |
| chx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:360-91-panel.jpg totally not. | 05:59 |
| lolloo | the big problem is my friend is using N97 and he is hearing me fine and crystal clear, but I dont while I have N900 | 06:00 |
| lolloo | using skype ofcourse. | 06:00 |
| FauxFaux | toresbe: Surely the screen has more pixlets (i.e. 3 colors per pixel) than it had lights? :p | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | also MTBF of a 360 is better I bet | 06:01 |
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| chx | DocScrutinizer: failureS? | 06:01 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: my friend, IBM mainframes do not have a single failure much less several :D | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | my point | 06:02 |
| lolloo | I tried everything! and still I get bad quality on skype when calling echo test service | 06:02 |
| chx | cant remember what redundancy the 360 had but i think the 390 already had the several-cpus-executing-shit-and-voting-on-the-result feature.... | 06:03 |
| lolloo | my friend has better quality on his N97 | 06:03 |
| lolloo | better than me! on my N900! | 06:03 |
| lolloo | ALOT BETTER! | 06:03 |
| toresbe | the MTBF of a 360 was pretty bad | 06:03 |
| toresbe | chx: the IBMs weren't the first to do that, but probably one of the earliest to do it commercially. | 06:04 |
| toresbe | that is, in a general-purpose setting | 06:04 |
| toresbe | the 360 had some checksumming features. | 06:04 |
| toresbe | The 360/91 and 95 were highly paralellized - with "imprecise interrupts" | 06:05 |
| toresbe | the CPU was so pipelined that when you hit an interrupt, it couldn't tell you exactly where you struck it. ISTR you got a base and a margin of error. | 06:05 |
| chx | HAHA | 06:05 |
| chx | toresbe: may i ask when you started computing? | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? who cares about when IRQs really happened | 06:06 |
| toresbe | I'm 88-vintage. I'm just slightly more interested in retro stuff than others ;) | 06:06 |
| chx | toresbe: ah | 06:06 |
| blackthorne | doesnt coherent to Nokia N900 philosophy, to have a proprietary plug for the head set... | 06:07 |
| pupnik | chx: is that a camera on the desk to the right of the console? | 06:07 |
| chx | toresbe: i thought you were Atanasoff's assistant or something :) | 06:07 |
| toresbe | hahaha | 06:07 |
| pupnik | toresbe: ? | 06:07 |
| toresbe | does look like a camera, yes | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll love these then http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | those were quite a bit of fun | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | back in the 80s | 06:07 |
| toresbe | wouldn't work with the display - that's a 2250, which is a vector display | 06:08 |
| nox- | blackthorne, mh? i plugged std 3.5mm headphones in and heard stuff... | 06:08 |
| pupnik | "RAM was buffered for more than 12 hours in case of a power outage" nice DocScrutinizer | 06:08 |
| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: OH! I HAD one of those! | 06:08 |
| chx | Also, by using a turnknob, some memory areas can be locked from access by the processor | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it had something size of 2 car batteries inside | 06:08 |
| chx | AHAHAVAHAHHAHAA | 06:08 |
| toresbe | I never figured out wth it was supposed to be. | 06:09 |
| blackthorne | really? i cant and someone on the channel confirmed as being impossible for non nokia devices | 06:09 |
| toresbe | I use standard earphones in my N900. No problem. | 06:09 |
| toresbe | Siemens had a strong partnership with Tandberg Data in Norway, who made the terminals. | 06:09 |
| toresbe | The terminals really are excellent. | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: WTF? the 3.5mm AV receptacle is as standard as it can get | 06:10 |
| toresbe | "sichtstation"! Fantastic. | 06:10 |
| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: not quite - embrace and extend - for TV out and handsfree | 06:10 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: maybe he means that you can run video over it? | 06:11 |
| chx | a mini hdmi connector would've been nice. | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf | 06:11 |
| chx | or a hdmi micro :) | 06:12 |
| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: reminds me of the ND-100/5000 system I have | 06:13 |
| chx | night | 06:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it was rather convenient to fetch another cup of tea while the compiler was running | 06:13 |
| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ND-TDV-2215.jpeg is Tandberg's original | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yes. Clearly a DS075 | 06:14 |
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| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/nd/nd100/video3.mov | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: every friggin 4.99 head-set/phones will work with N900 | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if it's a special build for non-standard devices | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/if /when | 06:19 |
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| nox- | bbl | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900's AV connector is standard for headphones connecting since Sony came up with walkman | 06:20 |
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| blackthorne | maybe my apple headset is the one failingon the standard part | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet on that | 06:23 |
| blackthorne | seems standard though | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it actually isn't | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or at least there were versions that weren't, and also there were lots of odd builds | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like 1mm longer plugs | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | GND not on base of plug | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | inverted polarity of micbias, due to that | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatnot else | 06:26 |
| nox- | crazy | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | started with special mics for apple computers | 06:26 |
| blackthorne | cool, like to know that | 06:26 |
| blackthorne | what can you do in N900 to save some battery? | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can completely destroy a standard device by forcing in an apple 3.5mm plug that's 1mm too long | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: kick out apps that use much CPU cycles or frequent internet data transmissions | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reduce screen brightness | 06:28 |
| blackthorne | ok, so no non obvious stuff | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you follow those simple rules, you get rather good or even awesome battery standby times | 06:29 |
| blackthorne | 2 days? | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | easily, even with IRC on 8 chan via WLAN | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat | 06:29 |
| blackthorne | my maximum is 1 day | 06:30 |
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| blackthorne | using GSM only | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | my mere idle standby of a completely disconnected N900 was some 9 days | 06:30 |
| blackthorne | and switching WLAN off when not in use | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with aggressive custom breathing light | 06:31 |
| blackthorne | of course that i do use it for sms and phone calls | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | via GSM/UMTS I had >24h with IRC | 06:32 |
| blackthorne | i use a tool to monitor my battery display some graphs | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha on tool, it is not a monitor but a batery eater | 06:33 |
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| Pauly | hi sry i looked online but couldnt find out the model number of the charger for n900 | 06:36 |
| Pauly | is it ac-10u | 06:37 |
| Pauly | ? | 06:37 |
| Pauly | i bought mine used so i never had the oem charger | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | depends | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mine here is AC10E | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | E as in Europe | 06:41 |
| Pauly | ahh | 06:41 |
| Pauly | well im in usa | 06:41 |
| Pauly | so u | 06:41 |
| Pauly | would be for me yay | 06:41 |
| Pauly | btw i gave up on usb host, i dont need it. i reflashed and dont want break my phone that i use all day everyday lol but thanks | 06:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hostmode is safe | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no way to *break* your N900 | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | except mechanically with clunky adapters | 06:46 |
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| Pauly | i know but im gonna return my usb adapter | 06:47 |
| Pauly | and buy oem charger and ca-101 | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway thanks for testing and reporting | 06:50 |
| Pauly | i just get agervated of the the ppl on youtube using hostmode and for me nothing works!!!! | 06:53 |
| pupnik | 9 euro for a bag of cheetos crunchy cheese | 06:54 |
| pupnik | thanks Federal Reserve | 06:54 |
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| blackthorne | vimeo.com shows on the official maemo site, to emphatize flash support on the n900. is anyone able to see a single video there? | 06:56 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer: you had more than 24 hours with IRC? Obviously that was without turning the screen back on to check it every now and then, because doing that I was able to get 5 hours | 07:15 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: 9€ for cheetos? that must be a big bag! | 07:30 |
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| pupnik | 8 oz | 07:51 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol, just found a whole thread about ABL on N900 that i didn't know existed :P | 08:37 |
| pigeon | is jonny lamb happened to be here? | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmpf | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/var/log# ls | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | btmp dpkg.log lircd maemo-optify-boottime.log oopslogtail pycentral.log softupd.log syslog wtmp | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the name oopslogtail is particularly funny for me | 09:42 |
| Macer | damn this new harry potter movie is the worst of the lot | 09:45 |
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| pupnik_ | nidO: around? | 09:56 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzOUbkUf3M [ The Next Generation of Neural Networks ] ffwd to 24 minutes to see the brain thinking | 10:37 |
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| RST38h | "White House forbids feds from reading WikiLeaked cables" | 10:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 10:52 |
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| ieatlint | RST38h: source? | 10:54 |
| ieatlint | because i have a feeling you're quoting a US dept of state advisory reminding employees that reading the cables on an insecure network is illegal, as they're still considered classified | 10:54 |
| MohammadAG | lol classified and out to the public? | 10:56 |
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| ieatlint | them being leaked doesn't remove their classified status | 10:57 |
| MohammadAG | but everyone can read them on an insecure network | 10:58 |
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| huee | hello | 12:00 |
| nidO | pupnik: yep | 12:01 |
| huee | can somebody help me? i need to add qt4 repo to diablo but it always fails to refresh | 12:01 |
| huee | nobody? | 12:03 |
| pupnik | hi huee | 12:04 |
| pupnik | what repo is that? | 12:04 |
| pupnik | (url) | 12:04 |
| huee | qt4.garage.maemo.org | 12:05 |
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| pupnik | doesn't look like a repo to me | 12:06 |
| huee | try folder /dists | 12:06 |
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| myuu | sup maemites | 12:08 |
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| huee | if you try to access it through web browser it redirects to wiki.. | 12:08 |
| myuu | mobile hotspot is failing out of the blue for me | 12:08 |
| myuu | no idea what to do either | 12:08 |
| pupnik | ok i see. http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ | 12:09 |
| pupnik | etc | 12:09 |
| huee | yep, thats it | 12:09 |
| myuu | im gonna try joiuspot | 12:11 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi, any idea why changes to transitions.ini aren't taking effect on my n900 anymore? | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | got a theme with custom transitions appled | 12:13 |
| huee | oh, got it working now.. just hardcoded /dists/chinook/extras to url.. thx for help ;) | 12:14 |
| TiagoTiago | how do i know which folder the currently used transitions.ini is in? | 12:15 |
| TiagoTiago | how can i know* | 12:15 |
| * NooBmonk3y waves | 12:15 | |
| NooBmonk3y | morning alls | 12:15 |
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| * TiagoTiago waves back | 12:15 | |
| MohammadAG | idk, never themed my device | 12:16 |
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| myuu | uhhh guys | 12:18 |
| myuu | I cant seem to find the joikushop repository | 12:19 |
| myuu | is it down? | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | no | 12:22 |
| TiagoTiago | gotta reboot, brb | 12:22 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIjCSi1XOk 1993: The open source "Flame" algorithm (xscreensaver) | 12:23 |
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| pupnik | why does libglade require mono? | 12:51 |
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| pupnik | nidO: can you private message me please? | 12:51 |
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| andre__ | pupnik, where? | 12:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:57 |
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| pupnik | andre__: at least it pulled it in on my debian sid box andre__ | 12:58 |
| RST38h | probbly a recommended package | 12:58 |
| andre__ | I'd be surprised as until one year ago or so mono required libglade | 12:59 |
| andre__ | plus libglade is as dead as possible... | 13:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | pong | 13:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | just thinking about adding HeAboutDialog (Hildon-extras thingy) - is there a quick example anywhere? | 13:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | the wiki page goes on alot, but no examples of how to add :P | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | Umm | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | sticky-notes | 13:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | cool | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo's app :) | 13:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh php | 13:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | i must be looking at the wrongone lol | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | o_O | 13:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | found it | 13:15 |
| alterego | I should probably check irc more often, I've got about fifty messages .. | 13:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: did you sort youself out lastnight? | 13:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 13:17 |
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| alterego | Presumably it was to do with +/- keys? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | funny, I just pushed the commit :P | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser | 13:18 |
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| alterego | cool | 13:19 |
| TiagoTiago | i came back just to say that i found what was making the changes to transition.ini not take effect, there was a typo in the file | 13:19 |
| TiagoTiago | cya | 13:20 |
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| alterego | deedeedidideedididi | 13:37 |
| Termana | That's just proof you guys are all crazy | 13:38 |
| Termana | :p | 13:38 |
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| Termana | alterego, or is that just your mating call or something? | 13:40 |
| alterego | Morse code | 13:40 |
| Termana | Yeah, I see the resemblance | 13:41 |
| * Termana calls up the mental hospital and the museum | 13:42 | |
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| * alterego looks for a nice set of icons for his remote program. | 13:46 | |
| alterego | Gonna test it on meego later aswell me thinks. | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the N9 will have an IrDA port | 13:49 |
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| alterego | Doubt it | 13:51 |
| alterego | I'd prefer another CIR emitter tbh | 13:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | thp, ping | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | alterego: to have both you could cap new devices OTG | 14:40 |
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| chem|st | alterego: on n900 it is only one pin away from irda | 14:40 |
| mikki-kun | what is the difference between IrDA and CIR? | 14:40 |
| mikki-kun | i assume both are used for infrared communication | 14:41 |
| alterego | CIR has a longer range and is only one directional. | 14:41 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: CIR is consumerIR like TV remotes | 14:41 |
| mikki-kun | and IrDA ist like "two-way"? | 14:41 |
| chem|st | alterego: longer range is funny, my irda capable phone has longer range than n900's CIR | 14:42 |
| BCMM | they are different, incompatible protocols, that just happen to use a similar part of the EM spectrum | 14:42 |
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| mikki-kun | ahhh, in a broader sense like 802.11b and n e.g. ? | 14:42 |
| BCMM | it's a bit like asking what the difference between 802.11 and bluetooth is | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | no, the N900 has CIR, the N95 has IrDA | 14:43 |
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| chem|st | mikki-kun: yes IrDA was used for handhelds and phones to communicate befor wifi and bt | 14:43 |
| mikki-kun | is bluetooth as well in the 2.4 ghz spectrum? | 14:43 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: no, more like wifi and bluetooth, the only real similarity is the spectrum used | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | CIR is like the one used on your TV's remote | 14:43 |
| BCMM | yeah | 14:43 |
| mikki-kun | whoah Ö.ö lol? | 14:43 |
| LjL | is the N900 transmit-only? | 14:43 |
| chem|st | LjL: yes... | 14:44 |
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| BCMM | only even different-er, because one protocol is one-way | 14:44 |
| mikki-kun | thanks for telling me that, i didn't know bluetooth goes 2.4 | 14:44 |
| BCMM | some cordless phones too | 14:44 |
| LjL | it's a pity modern phones don't have IrDA, i still have and use devices with it | 14:44 |
| chem|st | or mice or keyboards | 14:44 |
| chem|st | or weather stations | 14:45 |
| chem|st | RC-controlled cars helicopters... | 14:45 |
| chem|st | 2.4GHz is like consumer band | 14:46 |
| alterego | IrDA is kind of pointless for me, considering the prevalence of bluetooth, CIR on the otherhand is cool. I can now use my phone to control my TV, computer and XBox :) | 14:46 |
| chem|st | alterego: dont forget to trigger your DSLR! | 14:46 |
| mikki-kun | why not just include both and everybody be happy with that? | 14:46 |
| BCMM | chem|st: well, that's because it's unlicensed | 14:46 |
| alterego | And my new lirc frontend based on QML is coming along nicely :) | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, except if you want to define a remote | 14:46 |
| Macer | is there a maemo app with list of presets? something that can be used like a remote? | 14:47 |
| LjL | alterego: CIR is nice but keep in mind many devices with IrDA can be used as remote control even though they aren't explicitly CIR | 14:47 |
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| LjL | both my Psion and my iPaq can do that, to an extent at least | 14:47 |
| alterego | Sure | 14:47 |
| chem|st | Macer: qtirreco | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | most of my TV's DVR (TV has a built in DVR) buttons aren't defined | 14:47 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: and yes, all of the above microwave-using devices have been known to interfere with each other | 14:47 |
| Macer | chem|st: any good? | 14:47 |
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| BCMM | e.g. getting a call on your cordless kills your wifi speed | 14:47 |
| chem|st | Macer: sure | 14:47 |
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| LjL | it would be even nicer if the N900 could receive, so it could act as a programmable remote | 14:48 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: so i turn on a freakin' strong microwave and kill with that all radio around me in a certain radius? | 14:48 |
| mikki-kun | cool ^^ | 14:48 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: pong | 14:48 |
| LjL | hehe yeah my WiFi (on channel 6) completely dies when the microwave is running :P | 14:48 |
| mikki-kun | switch to channel 12 then | 14:48 |
| LjL | yeah, i used to be on channel 11 | 14:49 |
| LjL | but i moved to 6 because my phone didn't pick up the signal well on 11 | 14:49 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 14:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaa thp :P good a rather noobish question for ya :P | 14:49 |
| mikki-kun | the channel can affect quality? | 14:49 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: well... it's a slightly different frequency so i guess if the antenna is better suited to a given frequency... | 14:50 |
| chem|st | for that we have the "a" at 5.4GHz | 14:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | if i want to use HeAboutDialog, i assume i need to include a .h file - where do i get it from? (Or the code for it?) | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any theories on how this can be made better? http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line55 | 14:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | good = got* above lol | 14:50 |
| mikki-kun | chem|st: i thought it was a dead format like HD-DVD ^^ | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, there's a shitload of suffixes, how do I cover them all like firefox does :/ | 14:50 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: it's in the hildon extras package | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | (by shitload I mean .com, .co.uk, .co.* .org, .net, .info, .whatever) | 14:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh so i just dload the package, extract the h file, and import it into the qt project :) | 14:51 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: libhildon-extras1-dev | 14:51 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: I'd love to have abgn on any device as you change to a if bgn is crowded... | 14:51 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: you can use pkgconfig | 14:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaa saw that in a project somewhere, will go hunt it out :) | 14:51 |
| BCMM | LjL: heh, your microwave leaks? | 14:52 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: we should probably redo the HeAboutDialog in QWidgets or QML ;) | 14:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe that would be cool! | 14:52 |
| mikki-kun | i am not sure it will work though in real life scenarios... think of 100 people living in your wifi's radius and all of them have as well an abgn-router... they complain then that their wireless dies all the time and then, you bein the smart one and having switched to a-band, will see time after time an increase in a-bands popping up as the others are being told by their "network admins" to go a for lower interference... voila, you have | 14:53 |
| LjL | BCMM: definitely does... aside from the WiFI, we also have an electronic balance which goes totally bonkers when the microwave is on :P | 14:53 |
| BCMM | what? why does the electronic balance use microwaves? | 14:53 |
| Macer | hm | 14:53 |
| Macer | qtirreco is meh | 14:53 |
| BCMM | heh, i just looked it up: a microwave oven typically uses 2.45GHz | 14:53 |
| BCMM | how awkward... | 14:53 |
| LjL | BCMM: i have no idea! | 14:53 |
| BCMM | so i guess it doesn't take anything like a harmful leakage of microwave radiation to break stuff | 14:54 |
| BCMM | still, if it interferes with non-wireless stuff, maybe you should get it checked... | 14:54 |
| mikki-kun | that is just cool, so we had wlan even before it was invented?! | 14:54 |
| LjL | no, it's pretty typical for microwaves to disturb wifi | 14:54 |
| Termana | BCMM, you do know that ALL microwaves will leak | 14:54 |
| LjL | BCMM: well i think it's just that balance that's a little oversensitive to interference | 14:54 |
| Macer | i am trying to get this going for my comcast dvr | 14:54 |
| Termana | BCMM, that's why you are suppose to stand two meters away from the microwave when in use | 14:55 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: channel effects signal quality because unless you live in the middle of nowhere, someone is already using some of them | 14:55 |
| LjL | microwaves and WiFi both use similar frequencies because that's what was available for unlicensed use :P | 14:55 |
| BugBlue | BCMM: if you microwave is 1000watt and you leak like 200 miliwatt it's not much but still destroys the 50mw Wifi | 14:55 |
| BCMM | Termana: of course, but it sounds like quite a lot comes out of ljl's machine | 14:55 |
| BCMM | Termana: also, citation needed on the 2 meters thing... | 14:55 |
| LjL | BCMM: oh i don't think it's that in my case though, both channels are relatively free, yet my phone seems to work better on channel 6 than 11 | 14:55 |
| BCMM | btw, i suggest everyone who controlls an a wireless 802.11 network uses wifieye to find the least busy channel, and claim it | 14:56 |
| BCMM | (wifieye the n900 application) | 14:56 |
| LjL | by the way my phone is not an N900, in case everyone is trying to see what happens on their if they change channel :P | 14:56 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM "iwlist scan" does the same :) | 14:57 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: ah, but wifieye has a pretty graph of which network exist on which bands at what signal strength | 14:57 |
| LjL | pretty graphs <3 | 14:58 |
| mikki-kun | i hate pretty graphs if i am just looking for plain info ^^ | 14:58 |
| BCMM | oh, the setup here is not really optimum... | 14:58 |
| Termana | BCMM, http://www.gallawa.com/microtech/Ch3.html at 1.5 meters (5 feet) you are still exposed to 0.005 mW | 14:58 |
| BCMM | networks all clustered on the top bands, bands 1-3 totally clear... | 14:58 |
| mikki-kun | omfg, i see here 2 others having switched the channel freq... -.- | 14:59 |
| mikki-kun | to 1 | 14:59 |
| mikki-kun | ok, i'll go 3 then | 14:59 |
| BCMM | ofc, ymmv, as LjL says some devices are just funny | 14:59 |
| LjL | 3 is still pretty close to 1 (you know wifi channels overlap) | 14:59 |
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| BCMM | but if you actually test it, it's a good start towards improving range and speed | 14:59 |
| mikki-kun | 13 is gone as well as 6 and 1 | 14:59 |
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| BCMM | iirc i toyed with this to see if i could go outside and fix bicycles while still listening to internet radio | 15:00 |
| mikki-kun | or i could go 9/10 | 15:00 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: then 1) mod your microwave so it radiates 10x as much as normal 2) wait for everyone to leave the channel involved 3) ??? 4) profit | 15:00 |
| BCMM | why can't people who aren't japanese use channel 14? | 15:01 |
| Macer | uhm | 15:01 |
| BCMM | legally, i mean | 15:01 |
| mikki-kun | 1) i think here in switzerland there are laws for the radiation strength... | 15:01 |
| LjL | BCMM: oh? i thought that was an italian thing | 15:01 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: feh, laws! | 15:01 |
| Macer | do i have to enable the ir to get qtirreco going | 15:01 |
| chem|st | Macer: no | 15:01 |
| BCMM | cause my router supports channel 14, and so does my n900, and naturally they're quite clear... will people die if i use it? | 15:01 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: only swiss people respect laws ;( | 15:02 |
| chem|st | Macer: range is about 3m | 15:02 |
| chem|st | BCMM: I hope so ;) | 15:02 |
| LjL | BCMM: well if you end up disturbing some important frequencies, someone might notice | 15:02 |
| mikki-kun | uhhhh, lol?! | 15:02 |
| mikki-kun | LjL: i am a finn tbh | 15:02 |
| Macer | hm | 15:02 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: only finnish people respect laws! | 15:02 |
| Macer | screw this. isnt worth it | 15:02 |
| Macer | lol | 15:02 |
| LjL | mikki-kun: in fact, everyone but us does | 15:02 |
| BCMM | huh, my neighborhood sucks WRT wifi spectrum - there are multiple networks on channel 9 | 15:03 |
| chem|st | LjL: only swiss? doubt it | 15:03 |
| mikki-kun | the router says "i should be an channel 7 guy" but it is according to iwlist scan a channel 1 guy -.- | 15:03 |
| BCMM | effectively double-parking on 6 and 11 | 15:03 |
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| chem|st | BCMM: if they are low traffic it doesn't matter | 15:03 |
| mikki-kun | ewww, will be gone a couple of moments, router restart... | 15:04 |
| BCMM | chem|st: i thought routers weren't supposed to do that unless they were specifically told to? | 15:04 |
| BCMM | ah, they're all BT routers; stupid is explained | 15:05 |
| BCMM | incidentally, double-parking has far too many meanings | 15:05 |
| BCMM | i meant the "parking across two spaces" one | 15:06 |
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| mikki-kun | back again :) | 15:08 |
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| mikki-kun | new channel and killed that senseless autochannel-mode | 15:08 |
| dazo | Anyone having tested PR1.3 and noticed if it changes how long the battery lasts? | 15:11 |
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| SwedeMike | dazo: I didn't notice much difference. | 15:12 |
| Jartza | I've run PR1.3 since it arrived and haven't noticed any difference | 15:12 |
| Jartza | my battery still lasts for a day :) | 15:12 |
| chem|st | dazo shorter at mine | 15:12 |
| dazo | Well, mine used to last at least 2 days for me ... now it's barely a day | 15:12 |
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| chem|st | Jartza: yeah mine too but I had about 2 days befor talking in terms of 24 hours | 15:13 |
| SwedeMike | only time I get mine to last 2 days if I leave it in 2G mode and wifi off and don't use it at all | 15:13 |
| Jartza | I have 3G and wifi on all the time | 15:13 |
| Jartza | dazo: have you installed any new applications since updating? | 15:13 |
| dazo | Jartza: only enabled ActiveSync (Exchange mail stuff) | 15:13 |
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| CableTwitch | Yo | 15:13 |
| dazo | I'm also using the power kernel ... but I've not had power issues with that before | 15:14 |
| dazo | This time though, I did a flash ... not the update-over-the-air-stuff | 15:14 |
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| CableTwitch | Hmmm... Is anyone else getting invalid certificates when accessing the ovi store? | 15:15 |
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| mikki-kun | i can't even access it.. | 15:20 |
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| CableTwitch | What, the ovi store? | 15:23 |
| CableTwitch | I should have also said "on my N900" | 15:23 |
| CableTwitch | I dont know if its something with the store itself, or the PR1.3... | 15:24 |
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| alterego | I suppose it may be possible for me to implement my own blur qml component to add blur effects. | 15:26 |
| lolloo | I disasembled my N900! pretty easy if you ask me! | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 15:27 |
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| MohammadAG | now get a 25MP camera and take photos, then upload them in RAW | 15:27 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 15:27 |
| CableTwitch | Yes it is. How did you do it? 4ft drop onto concrete? Crowbar? Rolled yourdeskchair over it? | 15:27 |
| CableTwitch | XD | 15:27 |
| tugrik | no issues for me CableTwitch - but at what point do you get the cert issue? | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | it's piss easy to disassemble it | 15:28 |
| lolloo | kind of! with inside screws were tough | 15:28 |
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| MohammadAG | good luck with assembling the screen ribbon | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | (not being sarcastic, good luck, you'll need it) | 15:28 |
| CableTwitch | tugrik: When I try and re-download the angry birds level pack 1. I reaslise I havent tried to DL anything else since, but its the first time its ever complained at me. | 15:28 |
| CableTwitch | Yeah, the screen ribbon is a bitch, until you get the technique right. Took me about half an hour of fiddling to get that puppy sorted. | 15:29 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG, I have a slight problem with skype, quality calling isnt good | 15:30 |
| lolloo | when I call my friend who has N97 he hears me very well, but I dont | 15:30 |
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| lolloo | I get like crackling sound | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | no idea, skype's clear here | 15:31 |
| lolloo | not video call, just normal call. the guys here helped me with many suggestions like change my powersaving feature or change my dsl modem | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | defective mic maybe? | 15:33 |
| lolloo | when calling echo/test service i get very bad quality. | 15:33 |
| lolloo | mic you mean speakers? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | oh, thought the other party heard crackling | 15:33 |
| lolloo | I flashed my N900 again but that also didnt work. | 15:33 |
| lolloo | I applied bootN900 patch | 15:34 |
| lolloo | but that aslo didnt work | 15:34 |
| lolloo | BOOSTN900 | 15:34 |
| lolloo | I will record my call using echo/test | 15:34 |
| lolloo | and you can judge. | 15:35 |
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| lolloo | bare with me please. | 15:41 |
| * n900evil is naked. | 15:41 | |
| lolloo | ewww | 15:41 |
| * n900evil jumps up and down. | 15:41 | |
| lolloo | MohammadAG, can you check this please. this is recording | 15:42 |
| lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac | 15:43 |
| lolloo | it's a recording of my skype call to echo/test service, | 15:43 |
| nomis | can somebody point me to the sources for the lirc_rx51 driver? | 15:43 |
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| lolloo | watch how it is struggling. | 15:43 |
| lolloo | MohammadAG, bad isn'tit? | 15:44 |
| lolloo | my friend hears me very well but I dont. | 15:45 |
| lolloo | is there something wrong with upload speed on N900? | 15:45 |
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| chem|st | lolloo: as told several times now... have you tried another router? | 15:47 |
| chem|st | or lets call it accesspoint | 15:48 |
| oli | hi, I've got a little problem with hildon gui | 15:48 |
| oli | I mean: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png | 15:48 |
| oli | all borders, hilights and other elements dissappeared after I've installed midori & rebooted | 15:48 |
| chem|st | oli: have you tried with rebooting again? | 15:49 |
| oli | chem|st: a few times | 15:49 |
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| oli | can't google anything about this issue | 15:51 |
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| chem|st | oli: a webbrowser is not changeing anything... usually | 15:52 |
| chem|st | does uninstalling midori help it? | 15:52 |
| oli | didn't change anything, but during installation there was an "updating icon cache" notification | 15:53 |
| oli | so I guess it may be related | 15:53 |
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| FIQ | Usually that's just due to insert the Midori menu item | 15:55 |
| FIQ | Oh, N800, don't know about how that works | 15:55 |
| oli | I'll try removing maemo5-like menu | 15:58 |
| pupnik | very nice bitmap tracing program. http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/screenshot.gif | 15:59 |
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| oli | the same glitch with old menus... (+annoying bar on the left) | 16:01 |
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| Venemo | hi | 16:02 |
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| oli | Is trying to reinstall hildon-desktop really a bad idea? ;) | 16:04 |
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| Venemo | oli: it isn't a bad idea, but what are you trying to achieve? | 16:05 |
| oli | Venemo: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png that's how my n800's gui looks like | 16:05 |
| oli | lost all borders, hilights, scrollbars | 16:06 |
| Venemo | oli, it seems like a screwed up theme | 16:06 |
| oli | It's the same with all preinstalled themes | 16:07 |
| oli | menus lost their rounded corners, etc | 16:07 |
| pupnik | http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/AutoTraceHelpOutputFormat << what's the simplest scalable vector format to parse with my own program? | 16:07 |
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| lolloo | sorry the I got D/C | 16:08 |
| Venemo | oli: well then try reinstalling hildon-desktop | 16:08 |
| lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry. | 16:08 |
| Venemo | oli: if it doesn't do anything, we'll think about it more | 16:09 |
| Venemo | oli: this may be obvious, but did you try to set the theme to default then reboot? | 16:09 |
| oli | Venemo: reinsattall = apt-get remove + apt-get install ? | 16:09 |
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| Venemo | oli: apt-get install -reinstall hildon-desktop or something like this, wait a moment | 16:10 |
| oli | Venemo: yes, it didn't change anything | 16:10 |
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| lolloo | this is my skype I recorded the call to echo/test on my N900 | 16:10 |
| lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac | 16:10 |
| Venemo | oli: 'apt-get install --reinstall packagename' | 16:10 |
| Venemo | oli: this is the correct command | 16:10 |
| oli | ok, rebooting | 16:11 |
| Venemo | oli: but before doing this, set the theme to the built-in and reboot | 16:11 |
| Venemo | oli: after the reinstall, reboot again (just to be sure) | 16:11 |
| Venemo | oli: if it doesn't help, all I can recommend is backup your data and | 16:11 |
| Venemo | ~flashing | 16:11 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | lolloo, latency problem I guess | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | try a faster connection | 16:12 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG, yes but I am using my 10Mb dsl line. | 16:12 |
| oli | Venemo: still white everywhere , suits the weather ;] | 16:13 |
| lolloo | do you think there is an upload problem with N900? | 16:13 |
| Venemo | oli: if noone has a better idea, I suggest trying a reflash | 16:13 |
| lolloo | also I changged the wireless channel | 16:13 |
| Venemo | oli: don't forget to backup your data before doing it | 16:13 |
| lolloo | but didn'tsolve anything | 16:13 |
| lolloo | I disabled powersave for N900 but same thing. | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | lolloo, pingtest.net | 16:14 |
| lolloo | awesome ok | 16:14 |
| oli | Venemo: one thing I said before you joined - it happened after I've installed midori | 16:14 |
| Venemo | oli: I guess you already uninstalled midori | 16:15 |
| lolloo | testing, | 16:15 |
| Venemo | good morning MohammadAG :) | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | morning :) | 16:16 |
| oli | Venemo: yup. | 16:16 |
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| Venemo | oli: well then I'm out of ideas, sorry :( | 16:21 |
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| oli | Venemo: me too, | 16:23 |
| lolloo | ok here is my symptom, with pingtest | 16:23 |
| oli | Seems I have to flash (again) | 16:23 |
| lolloo | I tried ping test on my pc and my N900 | 16:24 |
| lolloo | I get on my PC grade B with ping 131@2ms jitter | 16:24 |
| lolloo | I get on my N900 grade C with ping 170@23ms jitter | 16:24 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry for bothering you, but why is N900 slower and jitters much compared to my pc | 16:25 |
| lolloo | all using the same wireless connection mind you | 16:25 |
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| MohammadAG | B or C aren't the best | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | I get an A, and it's just a 5MB line | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | could be a crappy router | 16:26 |
| joga | skype has worked fine for me, even over 3g | 16:26 |
| lolloo | wow awesome | 16:26 |
| lolloo | nearest server to me is kuwaite | 16:27 |
| lolloo | although kuwait is far :p | 16:27 |
| Venemo | oli: I haven't had an N800, so I don't really know much about it, sorry | 16:27 |
| lolloo | but what when calling using pc is much better | 16:27 |
| lolloo | compared to n900 skype. | 16:27 |
| lolloo | maybe there is a patch or a way to improve wireless speed on N900? | 16:28 |
| lolloo | specially uploading. | 16:28 |
| Venemo | lolloo: my N900's Skype is much better than on my laptop | 16:28 |
| lolloo | wow | 16:28 |
| lolloo | I envy you | 16:28 |
| Venemo | lolloo: because the N900's microphone has a lot better quality than my laptop's | 16:28 |
| lcuk | whats todays app of the day to install? | 16:28 |
| lolloo | did you hear my recording? its terrible!!! | 16:28 |
| lolloo | but internet upload on n900 is slow don't you think? | 16:29 |
| lolloo | I use skype daily, but with situation its hard for me | 16:29 |
| lolloo | I kind of miss what my boss tell me ! hehe | 16:31 |
| oli | Venemo: just flashed it - thanks for your help :) | 16:31 |
| lolloo | I cant hear what he is saying haha | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | oli: you're welocme | 16:32 |
| Venemo | lolloo: well I didn't listen to your recording, but I believed the people with whom I talked over Skype | 16:32 |
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| lolloo | yes other ppl hear me crystalclear | 16:33 |
| lolloo | but I don't | 16:33 |
| lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac | 16:33 |
| lolloo | my frnd has N97 and he hears me very well! | 16:33 |
| lolloo | but I don't. | 16:33 |
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| lolloo | anyways thank you guys every little helps. I will keep searching. | 16:37 |
| lolloo | it says on pingtest.net packetloss test failed! | 16:38 |
| lolloo | on my N900 that is. | 16:38 |
| lolloo | does that mean anything? | 16:38 |
| pupnik | "We are all 'rationally ignorant'... We can only be informed about a small number of things - the things that help us make a living or the things we enjoy doing in our personal lives." - Dr. Bruce Yandle, Clemson University | 16:40 |
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| lolloo | pupnik, nothing new on the saying | 16:48 |
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| n900evil | hmm | 16:50 |
| n900evil | How do I change volume in the browser? | 16:50 |
| alterego | Goto dashboard, change volume then go back to browser. | 16:52 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: ping | 16:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, I pong badly | 16:52 |
| alterego | Or, in browser settings you can tell it to use -/+ keys for volume over zoom | 16:52 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: thank god you're here | 16:52 |
| * NooBmonk3y looks up, god where? lol | 16:53 | |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: I know you have used Qt Mobility sensors before | 16:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | afternooooooooooooon | 16:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo yes, the one thing that kinda works :p | 16:53 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: how can I start a QAccelerometer? | 16:53 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: its isActive() always returns false | 16:54 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i cheated and used most of the qt example code hold on... | 16:55 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: where is that? | 16:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/blobs/master/explorer.cpp | 16:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | is my code hold on | 16:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | will link to the actual example | 16:56 |
| lolloo | sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg | 16:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | (By my, i mean slightly ammended nokia code lol) | 16:56 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: there is no QAcceleormeter in your code | 16:56 |
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| timeless_xchat | sp3000: Are you @office? | 16:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, it has qsensor and scrolls through all of em | 16:56 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: mhm | 16:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | install the extras-devel healthcheck, look under tools->sensor explorer | 16:57 |
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| lolloo | healthcheck got new update this week! | 16:58 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: all I had to do is remove the isActive() check, and it works | 16:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | lolloo, kinda! | 16:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | lols!!! | 16:58 |
| lolloo | hehe | 16:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | lolloo, development update, just kinda an update to show i am working on it slowly | 16:59 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: seems that isActive is lying... | 16:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, that happens alot! | 16:59 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: there is setActive() in 1.1.0, but not in 1.0.2 :( | 16:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Spent most of this weekend finding out maemo isn't supported yet on alot of qtmobility | 16:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | or it was, and isnt now | 16:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | like you have just found out! | 16:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | lolloo, interested on feedback if you are bored :P | 17:00 |
| lolloo | yes I do have | 17:00 |
| lolloo | I will keep in touch! | 17:00 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: it is. just 1.1.0 is not in the repo yet | 17:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | nope its not :( | 17:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | 1.2 due out early next year supposedly | 17:01 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/index.html#platform-compatibility | 17:03 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: everything except the "feedback" api is okay for Maemo 5 | 17:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, that is not true! | 17:03 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: why not? | 17:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | yes they work but not all functionality included in maemo | 17:03 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: what is not? | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | For example | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | back end audioinput/output | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | ie, you can't list devices | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | therefore - useless to me | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | you can play and do snazzy stuff, but not get into the techy details | 17:04 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, which bug reports are you tracking which tell you its missing | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, qt main pages, | 17:05 |
| lcuk | ie if the devs dont know that developers are expecting such support, they may not know to try and add it | 17:05 |
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| NooBmonk3y | they do :) | 17:05 |
| * lcuk smiles | 17:05 | |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: open a bug report | 17:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | will post a bug if one doesnt exist, but have enough to do and keep me busy in the meanwhile | 17:05 |
| lcuk | roger | 17:05 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: and tell them that this table is a lie, and also tell them "DON'T LIE TO US, YOU MORONS!" | 17:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, it was a comment by one of the qtmobility developers.... not available now,. will be in 1.2 | 17:05 |
| Venemo | ~nuke the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us | 17:05 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us ... B☢☢M! | 17:05 | |
| NooBmonk3y | (for maemo anyway) | 17:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | they didnt lie, just bent the truth, into a perfect circle lol | 17:06 |
| lolloo | hehe great way to say it | 17:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) | 17:07 |
| * NooBmonk3y has decided to change mywebsite again, got bored with it being too complex | 17:07 | |
| NooBmonk3y | so using wordpress for easier blogging | 17:07 |
| lolloo | sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg | 17:08 |
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| lolloo | NooBmonk3y, share your website. | 17:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | nice lolloo :) | 17:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | lolloo, will do when complete :P - looks like a pigs toilet atm | 17:08 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I cleanly restart hildon-desktop grr | 17:11 |
| timeless_xchat | killall hildon-desktop | 17:12 |
| Venemo | killall will kill it, then upstart'll restart it | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | that's not clean | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | it won't rotate properly afterwards | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | dsme will, upstart doesn't usually do this :P | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | k, nvm | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | got the status menu showing in portrait mode | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | now to realign it | 17:14 |
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| pupnik | Patent lawyer Stephan Kinsella: "How Intellectual Property Hampers Capitalism" (video, mp3, transcript) http://www.stephankinsella.com/2010/10/how-intellectual-property-hampers-capitalism-transcript/ | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG | who wants this? :P http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg | 17:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | wants what? | 17:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | a screenshot? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | status menu in portrait mode smartass | 17:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | or ther vertical stylee status menu thing? | 17:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 17:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | i dont get this portrait mode malarky.... | 17:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | its easier and quicker for me to use my phone in landscape lol | 17:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | + alot more comfortable to hold | 17:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | maybe i'm just odd......... | 17:25 |
| lcuk | s/odd/old/ | 17:25 |
| yasir | My N900 is on a restart loop after I installed some widget in it. I guess destop switcher widget. I have spend quite a time to install some usefull application so do want to reflash if possible. is there any option to just remove the problematic widget is get my n900 working without reflashing? | 17:26 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: yeah I'm sayin this since I have the N900... :P | 17:28 |
| lcuk | hmm is it easy to mount the main rootfs partition from within meego? | 17:28 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: but honestly, this is a great feature | 17:28 |
| lcuk | to potentially allow some kind of recorvy? | 17:28 |
| lcuk | recovery | 17:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | it is a great feature :) - no doubt, as the forums have been filled with the "i want portrait" brigade for a while ;) | 17:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | and what people want, MohammadAG gives ;) | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | not only that | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | lol, bad timing | 17:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | haha | 17:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm actually almost crying with laughter lol | 17:29 |
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| * MohammadAG throws a banana at NooBmonk3y | 17:31 | |
| * NooBmonk3y grins | 17:31 | |
| * lcuk watches as NooBmonk3y deftly chops the banana into pieces, drops it into the blener and passes the mush onwards to mrs NooBmonk3y to produce an awesome cake out of | 17:32 | |
| lcuk | blender as well :P | 17:33 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, she made coffe cream chocolates at 7am this morning, what a breakfast ;) (I just asked her to leave out the coffee heehee) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | yeah coffee in a cup | 17:33 |
| lcuk | not in a cake | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | that is just wrong | 17:33 |
| lcuk | i once ate a coffee cream out of a box of chocs | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | i had to dig in the entire box to find the antidote | 17:34 |
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| kerio | wat | 17:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 17:36 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, who was the lovely lady that responded to your FF | 17:37 |
| lcuk | is it someone you work with? | 17:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh, my chief exec lol | 17:37 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 17:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | she is lovely | 17:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | if a bit margaret thatcheresque | 17:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | got bigger balls then the rest of the board put together | 17:38 |
| lcuk | o_O | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:40 |
| kerio | metaphorically speaking? | 17:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | supposedly :p | 17:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | she has actually taken to blogging damn well though | 17:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | she has a work blog, and has done so well to ignore the rants, quite impressed | 17:43 |
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| otwieracz | Hello. | 17:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | hello | 17:43 |
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| Venemo | hi | 17:45 |
| otwieracz | I'm looking for someone with working cross-compilation environment for Diablo 5.2008.43-7. | 17:45 |
| otwieracz | *Or* I'm looking for help to set-up that environment. | 17:45 |
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| otwieracz | I need GPG plugin for Pidgin. | 17:46 |
| otwieracz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-gpg/ ← this one. | 17:46 |
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| lolloo | you need to compile one as far as I know. | 17:47 |
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| otwieracz | I already installed scratchbox and SDK - but what's next? | 17:48 |
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| lolloo | mmm someone better thank me could answer that. | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=889833#post889833 | 17:51 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG, you are a saint! | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, GROAN | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't go well with my name, sorry :P | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | GAN900Ugh, sinus infection. | 18:00 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvilAre you sure it's not a cosine infection? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | merlin_1991whatabout tangent? | 18:00 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | ~lcuk | 18:00 |
| infobot | you are, like, a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. | 18:00 |
| lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry! | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | oooh who wrote that? :D | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | lol why apologize? :P | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | ~factinfo lcuk | 18:01 |
| infobot | lcuk -- created by qwerty12_N810 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> at Mon Aug 31 21:54:33 2009 (460 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 05:09:37 2010 by crashanddie!~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie; it has been requested 5 times, last by lcuk, 27s ago. | 18:01 |
| lcuk | ta mo | 18:02 |
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| Venemo | ~MohammadAG | 18:04 |
| infobot | methinks mohammadag is your father | 18:04 |
| Venemo | :D | 18:04 |
| Venemo | ~Venemo | 18:04 |
| infobot | it has been said that venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo | 18:04 |
| Venemo | the ~MohammadAG is lol | 18:06 |
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| alterego | ~alterego | 18:09 |
| alterego | burn! | 18:09 |
| alterego | I'm not as renowned obviously :) | 18:10 |
| Venemo | ~alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question | 18:10 |
| infobot | okay, Venemo | 18:10 |
| Venemo | ~alterego | 18:10 |
| infobot | rumour has it, alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question | 18:10 |
| alterego | :D awww, thank you :D | 18:10 |
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| Venemo | yw :P | 18:11 |
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| alterego | Oh crap .. | 18:28 |
| trx | is there a way my app can use liblocation without "satelite" icon appearing in the status bar? | 18:30 |
| Venemo | trx: no | 18:31 |
| Venemo | trx: that is because the user deserves to know that you're siphoning his battery with the GPS | 18:32 |
| Venemo | alterego: what is crap? | 18:32 |
| alterego | I wrote over a couple of .qml files .. | 18:32 |
| alterego | So I lost some progress :( | 18:32 |
| Venemo | alterego: :( | 18:32 |
| trx | Venemo that would be in user's best intrerest | 18:33 |
| trx | as i am making an app which would make the phone send you the co-ords if you get it lost/stolen | 18:33 |
| trx | i need that so the "thief" doesnt see anything suspicious | 18:34 |
| trx | and turn off the phone... | 18:34 |
| trx | so there is no way? | 18:36 |
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| Venemo | trx: well you must hack around this stuff then | 18:42 |
| Venemo | trx: somehow hide the status bar icon | 18:42 |
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| trx | yeah | 18:43 |
| Venemo | trx: sounds like an extensive hacking, but not impossible | 18:43 |
| trx | couldnt i get the handle of the status bar window and its children | 18:44 |
| trx | find the one i need and send the WS_INVISIBLE of w/e | 18:45 |
| trx | im not familliar with linux so much :/ | 18:45 |
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| frals | i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p | 18:47 |
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| trx | or that :D | 18:47 |
| frals | or if everything goes down because it doesnt have proper errorhandling ;) | 18:47 |
| trx | an app like this i really nessesary if u live in country like serbia | 18:47 |
| trx | where cops dont give a ... for you phone :) | 18:48 |
| Venemo | trx: frals's idea is good | 18:48 |
| trx | i will try it out, thank you | 18:48 |
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| cos^ | trx: umm, there is already such app, smscon | 18:52 |
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| trx | i wasnt aware of that | 18:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | trx, possible to only do it when the phone is not in-use (ie wait for the timeout?) | 18:53 |
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| NooBmonk3y | but to be honest, i dont think they'd realise quick enough what is happenning | 18:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | or do it, and pop a message up saying "System check complete" lol | 18:54 |
| trx | lol | 18:54 |
| trx | yeah :) | 18:54 |
| trx | im just exploring all the options | 18:55 |
| trx | to see what can and cant be done.. | 18:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | if they realise what is happenning i'm sure they would know how to remove the baseapp :P | 18:55 |
| Venemo | trx: also make your app not showing up in the application manager | 18:55 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 thifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them" | 18:56 |
| trx | lol | 18:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | s/thifs/theifs/ | 18:56 |
| infobot | NooBmonk3y meant: Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 theifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them" | 18:56 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: what is a 'theif'? :P | 18:57 |
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| trx | Venemo that is also a good idea, ill try that too | 18:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | thief meh | 18:57 |
| trx | cos^ that is a good program | 18:58 |
| trx | but it looses the purpose if some1 changes the sim card | 18:58 |
| trx | my idea is to have the app check the server each eg 6 hours and see if tracking is on | 18:59 |
| trx | if not, check again in 6 hours | 19:00 |
| trx | or if yes, start sending the co ords | 19:00 |
| nidO | if you mean smscon, it handles sim card changes | 19:00 |
| trx | it does? | 19:00 |
| nidO | you can set smscon with an email address and contact number, and itll email/text you if the sim card's changed | 19:00 |
| trx | thats good | 19:00 |
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| bash` | hi, can someone help me integrating maemo in qtcreator? | 19:11 |
| kerio | bash`: i use you as my shell! ^_^ | 19:12 |
| bash` | kerio: I use zsh :P | 19:12 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: were you the one who questioned why is there a gconf process? | 19:15 |
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| Venemo | netsplit! great! | 19:16 |
| kerio | freenode! | 19:16 |
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| ibansal | hi everyone | 19:19 |
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| ibansal | i made the moon activity available in debian and ubuntu and wish to port the same to maemo. Can anyone help me in this. Any help would be highly appreciated | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | ibansal: do you have a specific question about it? | 19:21 |
| trx | [17:47] <frals> i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p | 19:21 |
| trx | haha it works | 19:21 |
| trx | :D | 19:21 |
| Venemo | ibansal: do you want to make it a homescreen applet or a full-sized application? | 19:22 |
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| trx | maybe i should just leave the icon but change it to a smiley or stmh :D | 19:22 |
| Venemo | ibansal: other question: is it based on Qt or Gtk? | 19:22 |
| ibansal | Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python | 19:22 |
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| Venemo | ibansal: I have not tried this yet, but NooBmonk3y may be able to help you with packaging a Python application | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: help him :P | 19:23 |
| ibansal | Venemo, thanks | 19:24 |
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| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, around? | 19:24 |
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| Venemo | ibansal: does the application itself work on Maemo? | 19:24 |
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| ibansal | Venemo, i am a bit new to maemo so i dont know exactly. But i think it should as maemo also supports pygtk and python. | 19:25 |
| ibansal | can you tell me on how can i check it ? | 19:25 |
| Venemo | ibansal: try running it with python (eg. from the terminal) | 19:25 |
| Venemo | ibansal: copy the python file to the device and start it as you would start it on a desktop computer | 19:25 |
| Venemo | ibansal: eg. 'python mystuff.py' or something like that (I'm not familiar with Python development, sorry) | 19:26 |
| ibansal | Venemo, okay | 19:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | kinda | 19:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | here for 10 mins before heading out for dinner | 19:27 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ibansal, healthcheck (currently in extras) is a qt/gtk'ish front end (99% qt) and python backend though | 19:28 |
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| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, sorry can you elaborate exactly what do you mean | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | <ibansal> Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python << i was just saying that my app isnt GTK (in whole), so not sure if thats what you where asking? | 19:31 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, okay you were refering to your app healthcheck right? | 19:32 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, my app isn't GTK in whole but uses some of the features of gtk | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh, well whats your actual question? :) | 19:33 |
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| * alterego giggles like a little girl. | 19:35 | |
| alterego | This is the first practical application I've made with QML ^.^ | 19:35 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, i just want a app already packaged for maemo for reference so that i can package my app accordingly | 19:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | ibansal, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/healthcheck/1.2.0-3/ | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | well done alterego :) | 19:37 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, thanks | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, is the "find sex" maemo app? hehehe | 19:37 |
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| alterego | Heh, no | 19:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | aghhhhh late for dinner at the inlaws | 19:39 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, can you give me a link to any packaging guide for maemo on how we can port app from debian to maemo | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ibansal, never used one, i used the brains from this place as it was my first ever go :P | 19:40 |
| ibansal | NooBmonk3y, okay | 19:40 |
| ibansal | guess i would be doing the same | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | back laters alls :) | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | ibansal: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging | 19:41 |
| ibansal | merlin1991, thanks | 19:41 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: it's a QML based user interface for lircd | 19:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | oooooooooo | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | i wanna see :) | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | but later | 19:43 |
| alterego | Should make it easy for people to hack together pretty interfaces for remote controls. | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | agghhh so so late! | 19:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:43 |
| alterego | I've got TV, XBOX360 and Laptop :) | 19:43 |
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| Arkenoi | no more free service from nuevasync. it sucks. | 19:59 |
| steinex | Arkenoi, yeah. | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: yes, I don't like the concept of gconfd | 19:59 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: recently I discovered what its purpose is | 20:09 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: GConf can notify you about settings changes in realtime, that's why gconfd is for | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know, and my notion is "useless feature" | 20:16 |
| Venemo | :D | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a) there's *very* few settings relevant and common to a large number of processes, and b) usually you already have a central process used and shared by those, like e.g. X, and c) there are things like inotify | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | New FBReader crashes on start | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Great. | 20:23 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: makes sense | 20:24 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: so basically they should have used one of the existing processes for this, right? | 20:24 |
| alterego | I wonder if I have low level access to the XPS M1530 CIR receiver .. | 20:26 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: Erminig works well | 20:26 |
| alterego | Would be cool if I could use it as a training remote. | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, do you know how to get the blue/gray text in QPushButtons as per http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg ? | 20:28 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: they only go blue when the button is asociated with a pick selector. | 20:31 |
| alterego | If you set the text yourself it's grey. | 20:31 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: those are Gtk widgets, not Qt ones | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venemo, I saw colombus does it, and Qt buttons should be able to do it :P | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, how do I set it myself? | 20:32 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: yeah. | 20:32 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: that's right | 20:32 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: setValueText | 20:32 |
| Arkenoi | jaffa: well, having two separate things for calendar and contacts sync suck. | 20:32 |
| Arkenoi | i'd petter pay $12 to nuevasync | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, doesn't seem to be a QPushButton method | 20:34 |
| Venemo | QMaemo5ValueButton maybe? | 20:34 |
| Venemo | or something like that | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | sigh, Maemo 5 specific :P | 20:34 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: yep, seems so | 20:34 |
| alterego | Oh, yeah, sorry it's QMaemo5ValueButton ;) | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: basically right | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: M1530? | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: how about using hostmode and a IrDA dongle? | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: Meh, I don't sync contacts; and Erminig is nice, GUIificated and does multiple calendars. | 20:43 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that's creative thinking :D | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | No clue what a XPS M1530 CIR receiver | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | is | 20:43 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, and how do I center text? | 20:47 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: setValueLayout() | 20:48 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: M1530 is my laptop | 20:48 |
| alterego | Dell XPS M1530 | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | #ifdef it is :P | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | your laptop has a CIR? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, receiver | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | prolly for MCE then | 20:51 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 20:52 |
| alterego | Got a nice remote, which I've got a lircd conf for. | 20:52 |
| alterego | Was just wondering if I could use it for training. | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | which reminds me | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG_ | can I use that type of CIR to make remote files? | 20:53 |
| * MohammadAG_ has one sitting here, no use on Ubuntu | 20:53 | |
| alterego | Well, that is what I Was wondering :P | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, thought you already did that :P | 20:53 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG_ , do you reommend I use the app now? | 20:55 |
| lolloo | recommend* | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | what app? | 20:58 |
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| lolloo | the one that nokia didn'tdo but you did it my awesome friend! | 20:59 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66586 | 20:59 |
| lolloo | although it says incompatibil package cant install. | 20:59 |
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| lolloo | I hate app amanger! omg | 21:00 |
| lolloo | I don't know why I keep using it! | 21:00 |
| lolloo | my bad! | 21:00 |
| lolloo | now I can show-off my phone to my friends! hehe | 21:02 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lol I was discussing something with Venemo (not sure if he wants to talk about it here - at least at the moment) and it came to my mind | 21:08 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG_: i saw you having made a package in one of your posts, is that post "better" than the instructions you gave in the opening post? | 21:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, status menu? it has 6 lines as requested above it | 21:09 |
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| mikki-kun | you gave instructiuons for how to install it in the first post and then later you posted a plain link to a package ;) | 21:10 |
| mikki-kun | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=889966&postcount=17 | 21:11 |
| mikki-kun | is that a reference to a new one? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, read the post above it | 21:12 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh, ok, so that link has the +6 lines :) | 21:12 |
| mikki-kun | i got a little confused by it, sorry and thanks :) | 21:13 |
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| mikki-kun | that is just plain awesome! :D | 21:16 |
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| mikki-kun | is there some kudos bot or such idling in this channel? i need to give somebody kudos for a great package | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: MohammadAG_: look at LIRC's site, there's quite some data on how to use CIR for learning IR codes | 21:20 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: sweet. | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, yw :) | 21:22 |
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| mikki-kun | you added one crucial thing nokia forgot... in phone-mode, when you have the logs, you can't just say "ohhhh well, i will quickly change to skype" when it is fixed to portrait mode... now that works :) | 21:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have enabled the browser portrait/landscape mode, and it works. | 21:26 |
| Jay_BEE | howdy | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to allow the other two orientations to work? | 21:26 |
| mikki-kun | hu? | 21:27 |
| mikki-kun | you mean holding the device up-side down? | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:27 |
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| mikki-kun | there should be a package which allows that all the time | 21:28 |
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| mikki-kun | but it really isn't recommended imo | 21:28 |
| mikki-kun | it'll make your n900 go spinning ^^ | 21:28 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, that's kinda interesting | 21:41 |
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| * MohammadAG_ wonders if adding it in hildon-desktop is possible | 21:41 | |
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| alterego | I like that feature in the image viewer, good when using it to show things to others'. | 21:45 |
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| * MohammadAG_ suggests writing Qt 1:1 copies of some apps on Maemo 5 | 21:50 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: we could simply use MeeGo's apps | 21:50 |
| alterego | Like what apps? :) | 21:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, phone would be a start | 21:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:51 |
| alterego | Any reason why? | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's painfully slow | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | and not OSS | 21:52 |
| mikki-kun | isn't hildon painfully slow at times? | 21:52 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh and what is also slow is the email client | 21:52 |
| mikki-kun | seems that if you have too many mail it needs to reread all of them again | 21:52 |
| Venemo | mikki-kun: it is not just slow, it is (quoted from Stskeeps) utter crap | 21:53 |
| mikki-kun | not like it has a continiously growing list | 21:53 |
| mikki-kun | :D | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | hildon is quite fast | 21:53 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG_: aren't those apps part of hildon as well? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | the lack of VSync coupled with the fact that GTK is slower than Qt, makes the phone app slow, compared to other apps | 21:53 |
| mikki-kun | gtk is slower than qt?! | 21:54 |
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| Venemo | well I wouldn't bet on that one | 21:54 |
| alterego | Noticing quite a bit of tear in my QML stuff. | 21:54 |
| mikki-kun | let's not start the fanboy-wars here :D for some apps qt is better, for some gtk :) | 21:54 |
| Pavlov | that is a pretty generic statement | 21:54 |
| alterego | It's a bit annoying, but I don't care too much. | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | compare scrolling in a long list | 21:54 |
| kerio | lies | 21:54 |
| Pavlov | anything can be slower than anything else depending on what you're doing with it | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | Qt > GTK here | 21:54 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: that's not true at all :P | 21:54 |
| kerio | liqbase > else | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | can't be a fanboy there btw, I use Qt on maemo, GTK on my desktop so.. yeah | 21:55 |
| alterego | If we didn't have Qt built into the root image, then Gtk would be better, but as we do .. | 21:55 |
| mikki-kun | well, i don't honestly care if gtk or qt, i am using mostly cli-based stuff ^^ | 21:55 |
| Pavlov | (Qt is probably more optimized than Gtk for mobile, but totally depends on what you're doing) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | Pavlov, +1 there | 21:55 |
| alterego | I don't think it depends at all. | 21:55 |
| Venemo | judging them from scrolling framerate is not a good idea. anyway, since the Phone app at least works, it shouldn't be high priority | 21:55 |
| alterego | They both do the same thing, well, Qt does a lot more. | 21:55 |
| mikki-kun | i made my previous statement as a general one, not specifically pointed towards the n900 :) | 21:56 |
| alterego | And is easier. | 21:56 |
| Pavlov | that wasn't what was stated | 21:56 |
| Venemo | alterego++ | 21:56 |
| Pavlov | it was stated that Qt was faster than GTK | 21:56 |
| alterego | Which makes it better for most things. What would you need Gtk+ for if Qt is available? | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venemo, I wanted something not in the phone app | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG_: what is that? | 21:56 |
| alterego | It probably is for quite a few things .. | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | I forgot what it was right now, but suppose I do, I can't add it | 21:56 |
| Pavlov | which one does more or is easier to use doesn't factor in to that at all | 21:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, you would need gtk+ if you have an existing application or strongly dislike c | 21:56 |
| lcuk | c++ ^ | 21:56 |
| mikki-kun | what i would want to see is an improvment in the front-facing camera... | 21:56 |
| alterego | lcuk: yes, fair enough. But that's not what they're arguing. | 21:57 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: i strongly dislike c++ as it ain't doing what i want it to do =p | 21:57 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: well if MeeGo's phone app works, then let's use that | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | doubtful | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | it uses ofono | 21:57 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: I'd suggest that is a problem with you and not C++ :P | 21:57 |
| mikki-kun | anybody here maybe who might want to help me there with an assigment i am supposed to hand in? ^^' | 21:58 |
| lcuk | meegos phone app ties into different layers Venemo | 21:58 |
| lcuk | so its not just a case of the ui ontop | 21:58 |
| mikki-kun | i cannoit get what the errors mean | 21:58 |
| lcuk | but the whole stack underneat | 21:58 |
| lcuk | h | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | a complete media player rewrite would be nice | 21:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:59 |
| Venemo | how about MeeGo's media player | 21:59 |
| mikki-kun | use mplayer as the base i guess | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | but I doubt anyone is up to the task of doing so, and releasing it as OSS | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, mafw is fine, the UI isn't | 21:59 |
| mikki-kun | mafw? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, such crap can be fixed if it was OSS | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | backend | 22:00 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh | 22:00 |
| alterego | mafw is nice. | 22:00 |
| mikki-kun | can't we just use the backend or does it specifically need the frontend then as well? | 22:00 |
| alterego | It also allows better integration. If you get rid of using mafw, then one of my apps will no longer work either :P | 22:00 |
| alterego | No, any app can use mafw. | 22:01 |
| mikki-kun | so why not just "write" a new frontend for it? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | writing a media player is like Hello World | 22:01 |
| lcuk | everyone tries it | 22:01 |
| alterego | Can't say I have :P | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, no one succeeds in making it feature rich | 22:01 |
| kerio | except the amarok guys | 22:02 |
| mikki-kun | we have mplayer which manual holds more than 5k lines... | 22:02 |
| RevdKathy | There are lots of other things that need sorting in Meego - mplayer works fine. | 22:02 |
| * MohammadAG_ wants a complete rewrite of the mediaplayer | 22:02 | |
| kerio | who make a fork of emacs that plays music instead of editing text files | 22:02 |
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| MohammadAG_ | 1:1, but in Qt | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | RevdKathy, talking about Maemo | 22:02 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG_: PM'd you | 22:02 |
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| MohammadAG_ | or Nokia needs to stick to their promises and OSS crap, or stop making promises | 22:03 |
| * mikki-kun wants a complete rewrite of maemo | 22:03 | |
| MohammadAG_ | Venemo, sorry, was zoomed in with compiz | 22:03 |
| Venemo | np :P | 22:03 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, if you are talking about Qt | 22:03 |
| lcuk | you are talking about both | 22:03 |
| lcuk | if done correctly of course | 22:03 |
| ds3 | arrggg, android is annoying | 22:04 |
| lcuk | we already know that, hence the channel.. | 22:04 |
| ds3 | anyone recall how complete was the old Mer stuff? | 22:05 |
| alterego | Want some more cool app ideas to do in QML .. | 22:05 |
| ds3 | lcuk: yes, it was added frustration from actually spending time on Android after experiencing the Maemo for years | 22:05 |
| alterego | Small things though, as I'm still working on Columbus at the moment ;) | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG_: when did Nokia promise? | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG_: seems to be all the fanboys | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, I know! sex app! | 22:05 |
| ds3 | somehow they manage to make a N800 class android device slower then an N800 :/ | 22:05 |
| mikki-kun | who will code that one? :D | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | luke-jr, sec | 22:05 |
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| alterego | Neah. | 22:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | luke-jr, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66275 | 22:06 |
| lcuk | ds3 lol, its easy to bring any device to its knees | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | it takes the collective work of many to make a system that runs well. | 22:07 |
| ds3 | makes one want to try to ressurect Mer | 22:07 |
| lcuk | it never died, it is merely resting | 22:07 |
| lcuk | or as w00t_ would say ;) pining for the fjords :P | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | this might be over my head, but Qt apps show scrollbars and can use kinetic scrolling at the same time, would editing libhildon work? | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | why am I asking, it should work | 22:08 |
| lcuk | would be better in gtk itself | 22:08 |
| Venemo | editing libhildon to do what? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | to show scroll bars | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | scrolling through 700 songs is kinda of a pain in the *** | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: in theory, yes | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | start any Qt app with -style cleanlooks | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Scrollbars were removed from hildon gtk+ on some "ux expert" whim | 22:09 |
| RST38h | not removed, disabled, I should say | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | you can use a stylus with a scroll bar, and kinetic scrolling at the same time | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | so it's just hidden from the UI | 22:09 |
| * lcuk strongly dislikes not knowing where in a list am upto | 22:10 | |
| Venemo | lcuk, the scoll bar appears, we just can't interact with it | 22:10 |
| lcuk | Venemo, i mean at a glance | 22:11 |
| lcuk | when actually looking back to device with a list on it | 22:11 |
| lcuk | after the scroll has faded | 22:11 |
| Venemo | oh, I agree with that | 22:11 |
| * lcuk has transparent blue knob | 22:12 | |
| lcuk | and, yes I have seen a doctor | 22:12 |
| alterego | lcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201247.png | 22:14 |
| alterego | & http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201252.png | 22:14 |
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| alterego | Well, and anyone else who's interested :D | 22:15 |
| alterego | That's the UI for my QML based lirc frontend. | 22:15 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:15 | |
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| lcuk | looking nice | 22:15 |
| lcuk | are the colors tints or are they hardcoded into the button glyphs themselves? | 22:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's okay. | 22:15 |
| alterego | tints | 22:16 |
| kerio | cool | 22:16 |
| alterego | Button {icon: "rss_reader_move_up"; command: "UP"; color: "#6f1f3f"} | 22:16 |
| alterego | That's how you define a button. | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: ooh, shiny | 22:16 |
| alterego | You can use icon or label. | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: what's PRV? | 22:16 |
| alterego | Previous Channel | 22:17 |
| alterego | Basically "Back" button. | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: what's the button to the left of 'up'? | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha | 22:17 |
| alterego | MY system menu | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 22:17 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 22:17 | |
| alterego | RST38h: ? | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd probably swap that w/ the mute button | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you have 4 audio buttons | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | presumably one is louder, one is quieter | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Stupid games do play sound at last | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | one is mute | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the fourth? | 22:17 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: yeah, I'm gonna get some better icons and move things around into more logical layout. | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I might have something for you | 22:18 |
| alterego | sound menu | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Had to update Z80 core to the latest changes, the version I had was a bit stale | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | give me a minute or so | 22:18 |
| alterego | Mute is oddly position, but the left column otherwise is pretty logical. | 22:18 |
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| alterego | You just set "command" to whatever the command is in your lircd.conf file | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's the advantages of this frontend over (qt)irreco? | 22:22 |
| alterego | QtIrreco is horrible? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | it is :P | 22:22 |
| alterego | Well, my intention is to distribute something that will allow people to write their own QML remote files. | 22:23 |
| alterego | I just supply a bit of a framework to do it. | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never looked into qtirreco, but irreco works just fine for me | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG_ | irreco > qtirreco | 22:24 |
| alterego | Well, People will also be able to use Qt Designer to build their remote qml files too .. | 22:24 |
| alterego | But I'm doing it because I had nothing better to do and I didn't get along with Qt Irreco | 22:25 |
| alterego | Well, that's not true. It was an itch m'kay?! :P | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess, using your png, it would take significantly less than 1h to define a remote under irreco that looks absolutely identical to what you linked above | 22:25 |
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| alterego | m'hrm | 22:26 |
| alterego | With pretty animations? | 22:27 |
| alterego | And stuff? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | a remote with animations?? o.O | 22:27 |
| alterego | Well, my buttons glow. | 22:27 |
| alterego | When you press them. | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so that's the advantage over irreco then | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, if that's worth it | 22:28 |
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| alterego | Well, I don't know irreco, so I don't know of any advantage. | 22:28 |
| alterego | All I'm doing is exposing irsend to QML | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | users like to have a choice | 22:29 |
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| -dhean_diana- download and install http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911761&vnr=270300 | 22:29 | |
| dhean_diana | dude u want this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar | 22:29 |
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| alterego | It might be a nice place for users to get into QML hacking. | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | if everyone asked what the advantage was over something else, we'd be stuck with one distro, with one shell, and no UI | 22:29 |
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| alterego | You mean windows? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually more often than not hate to have a choice between too many options when each of them is missing a bit that is implemented in another, just because some guys weren't able to merge their efforts | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, nice way to put it :P | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG_ | spammer was reported in #freenode fyi | 22:31 |
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| nox- | moin | 22:32 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: totally agreed | 22:34 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: when you say "with that png" you mean, sing my rendered UI as the background image for some remote? | 22:37 |
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| alterego | Which is kind of cheating :P | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rendered UI, background img?? | 22:41 |
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| alterego | Well, I was just wondering if you meant use my screenshot, that png, as the "skin" for an irreco remote? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just say I need to use the same png skins for widgets that your UI does, as otherwise I have to do weeks of photoshop editing to "copy" them | 22:42 |
| alterego | Which would mean, that irreco was just using a cached QML UI still :P | 22:42 |
| alterego | My UI doesn't use PNG skins .. | 22:42 |
| alterego | Those Buttons are actually rendered .. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh! I suppose that's another advantage | 22:42 |
| markinfo | I wanted on my OS2008 update pidgin - but it writes "libhildon-extras1 is missing" i found this one: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon-extras1/ but I do not know what of this packages should be installed. | 22:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer runs away, screaming | 22:43 | |
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| markinfo | or there are necessary to activate some additional Packages? | 22:43 |
| * MohammadAG_ shrugs | 22:43 | |
| markinfo | repositories. | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | I broke libhildon, and everything's closing down (obviously) | 22:43 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG_: what did you do to poor libhildon? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | made fade out timeout = 0 | 22:46 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | anything with scrollbars dies | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | "As Arctic blizzards swept across southeast England, stranding hundreds in their cars and bringing motorways to a virtual halt in whiteout conditions, Kent police received a strange call on their emergency number. "I haven't been out to check on him for five hours but I went outside for a fag (cigarette) and he's gone," said the female caller." | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | "When the operator asked who had gone she replied: "My snowman. I thought that with it being icy and there not being anybody about he'd be safe." | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | o_O | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG_: honestly, are you surprised? :P | 22:48 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Must have been something other than a cigarette she was smoking :) | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | don't transfer the ails of your country to the next, X-Fade | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venemo, no | 22:49 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Hey, it makes for a nice export project. And we tax it ;) | 22:49 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: k :P | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: well, taxing and controlling what really is going on are probably the main areas of "bonus" to legalise it, I guess | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | I changed MOTION_EVENTS_PER_SECOND from 25 to 60, and the device kinda feel smoother | 22:50 |
| X-Fade | wow, occupational word slipped in there ;) s/project/product/ | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | or it's that shitty human psychology kicking in | 22:50 |
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| markinfo | can be Meego installed on Nokia n810? | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | ask in #MeeGo | 22:53 |
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| MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, did you get any replies from the SDK team about the on device SDK image? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | markinfo: not really, but some things are being done to port it | 22:53 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG_: Yes, but now I need to talk to legal ;) | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | how long do those take to reply, if ever? :P | 22:55 |
| markinfo | what can be done best with Nokia n810? It seems that some programm are not more updated. | 22:55 |
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| crashanddie | markinfo: that's because the device is old and the OS has been abandonned | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | not really that old | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | wasn't N900 just released in 2009? | 22:56 |
| markinfo | bat it has such big display and big keyboard, stylus .... | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | oh, N810 | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | markinfo: but too little RAM, too closed, etc | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | markinfo: only Nokia can really update it, and they don't want to | 22:56 |
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| luke-jr | markinfo: you could run Gentoo if you like | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, ping | 22:57 |
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| MohammadAG_ | got a package of libhildon which should always show the scrollbar once it's visible :P | 22:57 |
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| markinfo | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard ... " it seems great - but will be this reality? | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | markinfo: this is #maemo, not #meego | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | markinfo: if you have questions directly related to Meego, please ask them in that channel | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, also seems to make scrolling smoother, need someone else to confirm that though | 23:02 |
| Venemo | markinfo: ask on #meego - Stskeeps should know more | 23:06 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: gimme gimme | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | again, it might be my mind bullshitting me | 23:07 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG_: again, gimme gimme | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Venemo, this isn't tmo-public yet http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libhildon1_2.2.23-1+0m5_armel.deb | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | replacing libhildon might cause global warming | 23:11 |
| Venemo | warming? | 23:11 |
| Venemo | device exploding? | 23:11 |
| rsc_ | hi guys | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | works fine for me :) | 23:12 |
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| rsc_ | i'm looking for someone that can help me | 23:12 |
| rsc_ | :P | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grrr | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu; kill -9 29255; 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and of course dbus-scripting doesn't play sound anymore, on opening kbd slider | 23:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 blames PA | 23:14 | |
| rsc_ | I want to change the default virtual-keyboard, with an application... | 23:15 |
| rsc_ | is it possible? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder what the bogus :1.13 nu part is | 23:16 |
| rsc_ | ehm...no one can help me? XD | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | seems to be a reply from dbus | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | or part of it | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG_: yep | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kinda bug in ps | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or bug in the process' environment | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rsc_: probably not | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | FUCKING KERNEL-POWER | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# ls /sys/class/leds/ | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | twl4030:vibrator | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | and it's my device, so it's not a non 2101 issue! | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rsc_: afaik vkbd is closed source | 23:20 |
| rsc_ | DocScrutinizer: i saw that exists a way to change the virtual one, but i wish to start FastSMS from there | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure it's not | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's matan's idiotic patch to lp5523.ko | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | ooh | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | scrolling's acceleration can be increased | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | ever since I disassembled my device, death gripping (!111111!!!!1) it increases signal | 23:22 |
| * MohammadAG_ sends device to Apple for inspection, it should do the opposite | 23:22 | |
| rsc_ | DocScrutinizer: thank you | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry I can't help. Keep asking here occasionally, maybe others can give better advice | 23:23 |
| rsc_ | perhaps w00t_ can help me | 23:24 |
| rsc_ | but he seems to be afk | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart messybox and its crippled useless ps | 23:27 |
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| * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets messybox and its crippled useless ps feel it | 23:27 | |
| crashanddie | ouch | 23:27 |
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| * ShadowJK_ remembers a time before busybox, when small linuxen used an elaborate grep|sed|awk instead of ps | 23:28 | |
| alterego | I've had a better idea .. | 23:28 |
| alterego | Users like "apps" | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's the gnu pkg containing proper ps? | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | please, no fart apps | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | coreutils perhaps | 23:29 |
| alterego | Maybe I should use my framework to write an XBox media remote control | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | gps? :P | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | or procps | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt that's the pkg name | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gps | 23:30 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: procps is the filename | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fps&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK_: I got coreutils-gnu | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no proper ps | 23:32 |
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| ShadowJK_ | DocScrutinizer, procps | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | procps: not found | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK_ | :) | 23:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | gps? | 23:40 |
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| Venemo | good evening guys :) | 23:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Evening. | 23:47 |
| rsc_ | bye bye all | 23:48 |
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| lolcat | Hello | 23:50 |
| lolcat | Can I run bitcoin on my N900? | 23:50 |
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| crashanddie | lolcat: doesn't look like it | 23:51 |
| lolcat | Why not? :( | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | well, they only provide binaries for x86 and amd64 | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | but you can try to compile it / port it | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie | Ramie: fail | 23:55 |
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| crashanddie | lolcat: you really shouldn't be supporting bitcoin | 23:58 |
| lolcat | crashanddie: Why not? | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | because it's a system that is bound to fail at some point | 23:58 |
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