IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-12-05

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GAN900Ugh, sinus infection.00:23
SpeedEvilAre you sure it's not a cosine infection?00:24
merlin_1991whatabout tangent?00:24
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GAN900SpeedEvil, I hope not. The drugs for that are way more expensive.00:33
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CableTwitchY'ello01:01
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CableTwitchQuestion. Has anyone been having issues with Pigin and ICQ accounts recently?01:01
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CableTwitchI guess not.01:05
nox-i dont use icq but ive read ppl had issues with pidgin too...01:05
nox-just their usual protocol rototilling i guess...01:06
CableTwitchAhh, so its not just me. Alrighty.01:06
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blackthorneis the n900 supposed to work with a non nokia set of headphones?01:28
nox-id say so01:28
DocScrutinizeralterego: ping01:28
DocScrutinizeralterego: blue_led1 is looking for source of g_file_storage / g_nokia. Got any pointer for him?01:29
DocScrutinizeror anybody else of course01:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, mxr01:32
DocScrutinizeryeah, checking my bookmarks - I feel like having asked same question yesterday :-D01:33
DocScrutinizercan't find it01:33
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DocScrutinizerhttp://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/....01:33
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DocScrutinizerhttp://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/nokia.c  ??01:36
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DocScrutinizerblue_led1: ^^^01:36
DocScrutinizerhttp://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c01:37
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blue_led1found what i need !01:40
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, how's the weather over there?01:58
DocScrutinizer51cold and snowy01:59
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* GAN900 is freezing and it's 13°C02:01
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GAN900Dublin aclimation lasted about 48 hours.02:01
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rangeThermometer in the car showed -16°C around Munich.02:02
range-10°C in Munich.02:02
DocScrutinizer51http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes02:03
rangeNice one :)02:03
MohammadAGat least you guys have snow02:03
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rangeShows -17 here. Probably around the airport.02:04
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: yeah, a mega fire would be worse02:05
CableTwitchWhats !C when its at home?02:05
DocScrutinizer51Error: does not compute02:07
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Termanamorning02:10
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DocScrutinizer51morning02:13
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b-man`DocScrutinizer51: that an epic weather site :D02:45
b-man`*tahts02:45
b-man`**thats02:46
b-man`gah, i fail at typing tonight - too much coding :P02:46
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DocScrutinizer51yeah I can tell from double deref **02:50
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DocScrutinizer51b-man`: btw that's one of my N900 desktop shortcuts :-D02:55
b-man`awesome :)02:56
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auenfwtf, had the phone on charge overnight, go to unplug it, and battery bar is red :/03:34
nox-charger not plugged in?03:35
nox-to mains i mean03:35
auenfok, i charged it for about a minute, and the battery bar is full now03:36
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ieatlintprobably was just the widget not updating03:41
ieatlintrace condition..03:41
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cvr5hai....................................................................................................................................................................03:43
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ieatlintthat's one hell of an ellipsis03:43
Pavlzhello03:43
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cvr5#maemo <pavlz>03:44
Pavlzi got a problem with the browser opera on my nokia 77003:44
cvr5mobile                ya?03:45
FLaT`mm03:45
cvr5wat pbm da/03:45
Pavlz'unable to complete secure connection'03:45
Pavlzand then a long URL03:46
cvr5c the configuration settings03:46
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Pavlzpratically i can't access to gmail on nokia 77003:47
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cvr5k da.ur mob has sme fault.................c it in mob centers immediately03:48
psycho_oreos770 isn't a mobile phone, its an internet tablet03:50
psycho_oreosand imo opera isn't the standard browser for 770, at least not for n900 when it has microB03:50
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Pavlz´unable to connections secure transaction'03:53
psycho_oreosthat made no sense, in any case I'd bug opera for support status on 77003:54
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lollooMorning04:05
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pupnikmoo04:11
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pupnikhttp://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Space-1999-science-fiction-3998917-1024-768.jpg    best sci fi spaceship of the 70s04:16
DocScrutinizer51meh, is this noise generator gone?04:16
DocScrutinizer51(cvr5)04:16
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nox-pupnik, moonbase alpha?04:16
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_One04:19
SpeedEvilclearly better04:19
pupnikty nox-04:20
pupnikyes nox-04:21
pupniki mean SpeedEvil04:21
pupnikbut the space:1999 thing was supposed to be a lunar hopper04:21
pupnikand it was sort of reasonable for that role04:21
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SpeedEvilTrue.04:24
SpeedEvilThough the initial conceit of the series had a MASSIVE HONKING FLAW.04:26
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pupnikhah NASA has a 'moonbase alpha' game! http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/ltp/games/moonbasealpha/index.html04:35
nox-pupnik, it was the german title of that tv series04:37
pupnikyeah!04:37
nox-:)04:38
TermanaSpeedEvil, did it go Beep Beep all the time?04:39
Termana:p04:39
* nox- suspects noise in space...04:40
SpeedEvilNo - the series was started off by the moon being blown out of its orbit - and indeed out of the solar system - by an explosion04:43
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nox-aw04:43
b-man`gah, when i start to see horizontal lines in my vision, i know i've been on my computer tooooo long :P04:43
SpeedEvilThe maximum accelleration the moon can undergo and stay moon-shaped is significantly under 1/6th g04:43
SpeedEvilb-man`: xrandr -o left04:44
b-man`SpeedEvil: lol04:44
b-man`i mean i can see them when i look away from my monitor lol04:44
b-man`pupnik, it seems that NASA has rescheduled the shuttle launch once again to Feb. 3 :(04:49
nox-oh04:50
b-man`i was hoping to see the launch on the 23rd, guess i'll have to wait until April :P04:50
SpeedEvilin person?04:51
b-man`yes04:51
pupnikah well04:51
SpeedEvilspace-x launching soon04:51
SpeedEvilnext few days04:51
SpeedEvilfalcon/dragon04:52
b-man`heh04:52
SpeedEvil5 hours                         Launch and  separate from Falcon 9, orbit Earth, transmit telemetry, receive  commands, demonstrate orbital maneuvering and thermal control, re-enter  atmosphere, and recover Dragon spacecraft04:52
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BCMM_a proper orbit?04:54
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lcukSpeedEvil, essentially the same mission as sputnik?04:56
BCMM_nah, sputnik went beep.04:57
b-man`hehe04:57
SpeedEvillcuk: No.04:58
BCMM_also, reentered in a way highly incompatible with words like "recovery"04:58
lcukBCMM_, would you manage to do much more than beep if you had a rocket up your arse?04:58
SpeedEvillcuk: Reenter under control, come to a safe landing that would not have killed the crew04:58
lcukSpeedEvil, roger04:58
BCMM_lcuk: i hope never to find out.04:58
lcuk:D04:58
b-man`xD04:58
SpeedEvillcuk: It's a test of a supply capsule for ISS that can return crew to earth.04:58
lcukis this being broadcast on NASA?04:59
BCMM_but not take them up?04:59
SpeedEvillcuk: no - however it's webcast04:59
SpeedEvilBCMM_: in principle, take them up too.04:59
lcukSpeedEvil, good enough04:59
BCMM_they want to send it up with food and bring it down with people? are they breeding humans in space now?04:59
lcukexposing bacon to atomic particles and anything is possible.05:00
SpeedEvilhttp://www.spacex.com/updates.php05:00
BCMM_ewww.05:00
lcukeek they aborted a static fire after lighting the touch paper05:01
SpeedEvilThe really nice thing is that they can abort even with the engines lit.05:01
SpeedEvilDo that with a shuttle, and you're probably dead.05:01
BCMM_SpeedEvil: so is it supposed to be the way they send people to the station, or just a supply craft you can put people on if you have to?05:02
SpeedEvilBCMM_: As I understand it, they've only got a contract for cargo05:02
SpeedEvilbut it could be certified for people05:02
BCMM_(so that next time they have trouble with their intended ride they can throw some astronauts out with the rubbish)05:02
pupnikHotlix Tequila Flavor Lollie with Worm05:02
pupnikhttp://www.americancandy.de/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=1902&osCsid=f3c52758ca6d444bfe48bd39ffdb511305:02
lcukpupnik, :) we had those at Ricks stag do05:04
lcukerrr lads camping weekend/big pissup05:04
pupnikewwwww :)05:06
lcukthe chocolate ants were worse05:07
lcukor was it the scorpion05:07
* lcuk gets the photos out05:07
toresbeI've powered up the VMS system now, and as soon as the TCP/IP subsystem comes up, I'll see what state it's in...05:11
toresbeoop, #wrong05:11
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/rick.stag.lolly.20100710_038.jpg05:11
lcukpupnik, the real drink tastes better05:12
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pupnikwow lol lcuk05:35
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lollooI still cant figure out why the bad quality05:40
lolloowhen using skype echo service call05:40
lollooIt's terrible05:41
lolloocan't make a decent call using skype that I need badly05:41
lolloosluggish and can't hear properly05:41
pupnikSkype was released to the public in August of 200305:42
pupnikSkype was officially bought by e-Bay in October of 2005 and paid 2.6 Billion dollars05:42
pupnik>_<05:42
chxtoresbe: did you port VMS to the N900?05:43
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chxTHAT would be something!05:44
toresbechx: well, I ran it in an emulator :)05:44
chxtoresbe: what emulator?05:45
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chxi know that Hercules run on the N900 which is absolutely mind boggling05:47
toresbesimh05:49
toresbeyeah, it's fantastic :)05:49
blackthorneHercules?05:50
chxtoresbe: simh????????05:51
chxtoresbe: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ ? how this runs on N900?05:51
chxblackthorne: Just in case you need to clean some really dirty stables.05:52
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toresbeblackthorne: IBM mainframe emulator.05:57
toresbeblackthorne: it's fun to put an N900 on the table of a System/360 operator's console.05:57
toresbeAnd think that the telephone is software-emulating the System/360 faster than real time.05:58
chxLOL05:58
nox-haha05:58
chxthe 360 is older than me05:58
toresbeyeah05:58
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toresbebut the N900 can't hold a candle to the 360, blinkenlightswise05:59
chxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:360-91-panel.jpg totally not.05:59
lolloothe big problem is my friend is using N97 and he is hearing me fine and crystal clear, but I dont while I have N90006:00
lolloousing skype ofcourse.06:00
FauxFauxtoresbe: Surely the screen has more pixlets (i.e. 3 colors per pixel) than it had lights? :p06:00
DocScrutinizeralso MTBF of a 360 is better I bet06:01
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chxDocScrutinizer: failureS?06:01
chxDocScrutinizer: my friend, IBM mainframes do not have a single failure much less several :D06:02
DocScrutinizermy point06:02
lollooI tried everything! and still I get bad quality on skype when calling echo test service06:02
chxcant remember what redundancy the 360 had but i think the 390 already had the several-cpus-executing-shit-and-voting-on-the-result feature....06:03
lolloomy friend has better quality on his N9706:03
lolloobetter than me! on my N900!06:03
lollooALOT BETTER!06:03
toresbethe MTBF of a 360 was pretty bad06:03
toresbechx: the IBMs weren't the first to do that, but probably one of the earliest to do it commercially.06:04
toresbethat is, in a general-purpose setting06:04
toresbethe 360 had some checksumming features.06:04
toresbeThe 360/91 and 95 were highly paralellized - with "imprecise interrupts"06:05
toresbethe CPU was so pipelined that when you hit an interrupt, it couldn't tell you exactly where you struck it. ISTR you got a base and a margin of error.06:05
chxHAHA06:05
chxtoresbe: may i ask when you started computing?06:06
DocScrutinizerso what? who cares about when IRQs really happened06:06
toresbeI'm 88-vintage. I'm just slightly more interested in retro stuff than others ;)06:06
chxtoresbe: ah06:06
blackthornedoesnt coherent to Nokia N900 philosophy, to have a proprietary plug for the head set...06:07
pupnikchx: is that a camera on the desk to the right of the console?06:07
chxtoresbe: i thought you were Atanasoff's assistant or something :)06:07
toresbehahaha06:07
pupniktoresbe: ?06:07
toresbedoes look like a camera, yes06:07
DocScrutinizeryou'll love these then http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html06:07
DocScrutinizerthose were quite a bit of fun06:07
DocScrutinizerback in the 80s06:07
toresbewouldn't work with the display - that's a 2250, which is a vector display06:08
nox-blackthorne, mh?  i plugged std 3.5mm headphones in and heard stuff...06:08
pupnik"RAM was buffered for more than 12 hours in case of a power outage"  nice DocScrutinizer06:08
toresbeDocScrutinizer: OH! I HAD one of those!06:08
chxAlso, by using a turnknob, some memory areas can be locked from access by the processor06:08
DocScrutinizeryeah, it had something size of 2 car batteries inside06:08
chxAHAHAVAHAHHAHAA06:08
toresbeI never figured out wth it was supposed to be.06:09
blackthornereally? i cant and someone on the channel confirmed as being impossible for non nokia devices06:09
toresbeI use standard earphones in my N900. No problem.06:09
toresbeSiemens had a strong partnership with Tandberg Data in Norway, who made the terminals.06:09
toresbeThe terminals really are excellent.06:10
DocScrutinizerblackthorne: WTF? the 3.5mm AV receptacle is as standard as it can get06:10
toresbe"sichtstation"! Fantastic.06:10
toresbeDocScrutinizer: not quite - embrace and extend - for TV out and handsfree06:10
chxDocScrutinizer: maybe he means that you can run video over it?06:11
chxa mini hdmi connector would've been nice.06:11
DocScrutinizerhttp://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf06:11
chxor a hdmi micro :)06:12
toresbeDocScrutinizer: reminds me of the ND-100/5000 system I have06:13
chxnight06:13
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DocScrutinizerwell, it was rather convenient to fetch another cup of tea while the compiler was running06:13
toresbeDocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ND-TDV-2215.jpeg is Tandberg's original06:13
DocScrutinizeroh yes. Clearly a DS07506:14
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toresbeDocScrutinizer: http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/nd/nd100/video3.mov06:18
DocScrutinizerblackthorne: every friggin 4.99 head-set/phones will work with N90006:18
DocScrutinizerexcept if it's a special build for non-standard devices06:19
DocScrutinizers/if /when06:19
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nox-bbl06:20
DocScrutinizerN900's AV connector is standard for headphones connecting since Sony came up with walkman06:20
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blackthornemaybe my apple headset is the one failingon the standard part06:23
DocScrutinizeryou bet on that06:23
blackthorneseems standard though06:23
DocScrutinizerit actually isn't06:23
DocScrutinizeror at least there were versions that weren't, and also there were lots of odd builds06:24
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DocScrutinizerlike 1mm longer plugs06:25
DocScrutinizerGND not on base of plug06:25
DocScrutinizerinverted polarity of micbias, due to that06:26
DocScrutinizerwhatnot else06:26
nox-crazy06:26
DocScrutinizerstarted with special mics for apple computers06:26
blackthornecool, like to know that06:26
blackthornewhat can you do in N900 to save some battery?06:27
DocScrutinizeryou can completely destroy a standard device by forcing in an apple 3.5mm plug that's 1mm too long06:27
DocScrutinizerblackthorne: kick out apps that use much CPU cycles or frequent internet data transmissions06:28
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DocScrutinizerreduce screen brightness06:28
blackthorneok, so no non obvious stuff06:28
DocScrutinizerif you follow those simple rules, you get rather good or even awesome battery standby times06:29
blackthorne2 days?06:29
DocScrutinizereasily, even with IRC on 8 chan via WLAN06:29
DocScrutinizerxchat06:29
blackthornemy maximum is 1 day06:30
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blackthorneusing GSM only06:30
DocScrutinizermy mere idle standby of a completely disconnected N900 was some 9 days06:30
blackthorneand switching WLAN off when not in use06:31
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DocScrutinizerwith aggressive custom breathing light06:31
blackthorneof course that i do use it for sms and phone calls06:31
DocScrutinizervia GSM/UMTS I had >24h with IRC06:32
blackthornei use a tool to monitor my battery display some graphs06:32
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management06:33
DocScrutinizerhaha on tool, it is not a monitor but a batery eater06:33
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Paulyhi sry i looked online but couldnt find out the model number of the charger for n90006:36
Paulyis it ac-10u06:37
Pauly?06:37
Paulyi bought mine used so i never had the oem charger06:37
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DocScrutinizer51depends06:40
DocScrutinizer51mine here is AC10E06:41
DocScrutinizer51E as in Europe06:41
Paulyahh06:41
Paulywell im in usa06:41
Paulyso u06:41
Paulywould be for me yay06:41
Paulybtw i gave up on usb host, i dont need it. i reflashed and dont want break my phone that i use all day everyday lol but thanks06:43
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DocScrutinizer51hostmode is safe06:45
DocScrutinizer51no way to *break* your N90006:45
DocScrutinizer51except mechanically with clunky adapters06:46
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Paulyi know but im gonna return  my usb adapter06:47
Paulyand buy oem charger and ca-10106:49
DocScrutinizeranyway thanks for testing and reporting06:50
Paulyi just get agervated of the the ppl on youtube using hostmode and for me nothing works!!!!06:53
pupnik9 euro for a bag of cheetos crunchy cheese06:54
pupnikthanks Federal Reserve06:54
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blackthornevimeo.com shows on the official maemo site, to emphatize flash support on the n900. is anyone able to see a single video there?06:56
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TermanaDocScrutinizer: you had more than 24 hours with IRC? Obviously that was without turning the screen back on to check it every now and then, because doing that I was able to get 5 hours07:15
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erstazipupnik: 9€ for cheetos? that must be a big bag!07:30
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pupnik8 oz07:51
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: lol, just found a whole thread about ABL on N900 that i didn't know existed :P08:37
pigeonis jonny lamb happened to be here?08:38
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DocScrutinizerhmmpf09:41
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/var/log# ls09:41
DocScrutinizerbtmp  dpkg.log  lircd  maemo-optify-boottime.log  oopslogtail  pycentral.log  softupd.log  syslog  wtmp09:41
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DocScrutinizerthe name oopslogtail is particularly funny for me09:42
Macerdamn this new harry potter movie is the worst of the lot09:45
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pupnik_nidO: around?09:56
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pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzOUbkUf3M  [ The Next Generation of Neural Networks ]  ffwd to 24 minutes to see the brain thinking10:37
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RST38h"White House forbids feds from reading WikiLeaked cables"10:45
MohammadAGlol10:52
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ieatlintRST38h: source?10:54
ieatlintbecause i have a feeling you're quoting a US dept of state advisory reminding employees that reading the cables on an insecure network is illegal, as they're still considered classified10:54
MohammadAGlol classified and out to the public?10:56
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ieatlintthem being leaked doesn't remove their classified status10:57
MohammadAGbut everyone can read them on an insecure network10:58
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hueehello12:00
nidOpupnik: yep12:01
hueecan somebody help me? i need to add qt4 repo to diablo but it always fails to refresh12:01
hueenobody?12:03
pupnikhi huee12:04
pupnikwhat repo is that?12:04
pupnik(url)12:04
hueeqt4.garage.maemo.org12:05
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pupnikdoesn't look like a repo to me12:06
hueetry folder /dists12:06
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myuusup maemites12:08
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hueeif you try to access it through web browser it redirects to wiki..12:08
myuumobile hotspot is failing out of the blue for me12:08
myuuno idea what to do either12:08
pupnikok i see. http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/12:09
pupniketc12:09
hueeyep, thats it12:09
myuuim gonna try joiuspot12:11
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TiagoTiagohi, any idea why changes to transitions.ini aren't taking effect on my n900 anymore?12:12
MohammadAGgot a theme with custom transitions appled12:13
hueeoh, got it working now.. just hardcoded /dists/chinook/extras to url.. thx for help ;)12:14
TiagoTiagohow do i know which folder the currently used transitions.ini is in?12:15
TiagoTiagohow can i know*12:15
* NooBmonk3y waves12:15
NooBmonk3ymorning alls12:15
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MohammadAGidk, never themed my device12:16
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myuuuhhh guys12:18
myuuI cant seem to find the joikushop repository12:19
myuuis it down?12:19
MohammadAGno12:22
TiagoTiagogotta reboot, brb12:22
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pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIjCSi1XOk  1993: The open source "Flame" algorithm (xscreensaver)12:23
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pupnikwhy does libglade require mono?12:51
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pupniknidO: can you private message me please?12:51
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andre__pupnik, where?12:55
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JaffaMorning, all12:57
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pupnikandre__: at least it pulled it in on my debian sid box andre__12:58
RST38hprobbly a recommended package12:58
andre__I'd be surprised as until one year ago or so mono required libglade12:59
andre__plus libglade is as dead as possible...13:00
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ping13:11
MohammadAGpong13:12
NooBmonk3yjust thinking about adding HeAboutDialog (Hildon-extras thingy) - is there a quick example anywhere?13:13
NooBmonk3ythe wiki page goes on alot, but no examples of how to add :P13:13
MohammadAGUmm13:13
MohammadAGsticky-notes13:14
NooBmonk3ycool13:14
MohammadAGVenemo's app :)13:14
NooBmonk3ymeh php13:14
NooBmonk3yi must be looking at the wrongone lol13:14
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MohammadAGo_O13:15
NooBmonk3yfound it13:15
alteregoI should probably check irc more often, I've got about fifty messages ..13:15
alteregoMohammadAG: did you sort youself out lastnight?13:16
NooBmonk3ylol13:17
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alteregoPresumably it was to do with +/- keys?13:17
MohammadAGfunny, I just pushed the commit :P13:18
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser13:18
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alteregocool13:19
TiagoTiagoi came back just to say that i found what was making the changes to transition.ini not take effect, there was a typo in the file13:19
TiagoTiagocya13:20
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alteregodeedeedidideedididi13:37
TermanaThat's just proof you guys are all crazy13:38
Termana:p13:38
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Termanaalterego, or is that just your mating call or something?13:40
alteregoMorse code13:40
TermanaYeah, I see the resemblance13:41
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* alterego looks for a nice set of icons for his remote program.13:46
alteregoGonna test it on meego later aswell me thinks.13:46
MohammadAGI wonder if the N9 will have an IrDA port13:49
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alteregoDoubt it13:51
alteregoI'd prefer another CIR emitter tbh13:51
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NooBmonk3ythp, ping14:15
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chem|stalterego: to have both you could cap new devices OTG14:40
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chem|stalterego: on n900 it is only one pin away from irda14:40
mikki-kunwhat is the difference between IrDA and CIR?14:40
mikki-kuni assume both are used for infrared communication14:41
alteregoCIR has a longer range and is only one directional.14:41
chem|stmikki-kun: CIR is consumerIR like TV remotes14:41
mikki-kunand IrDA ist like "two-way"?14:41
chem|stalterego: longer range is funny, my irda capable phone has longer range than n900's CIR14:42
BCMMthey are different, incompatible protocols, that just happen to use a similar part of the EM spectrum14:42
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mikki-kunahhh, in a broader sense like 802.11b and n e.g. ?14:42
BCMMit's a bit like asking what the difference between 802.11 and bluetooth is14:42
MohammadAGno, the N900 has CIR, the N95 has IrDA14:43
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chem|stmikki-kun: yes IrDA was used for handhelds and phones to communicate befor wifi and bt14:43
mikki-kunis bluetooth as well in the 2.4 ghz spectrum?14:43
BCMMmikki-kun: no, more like wifi and bluetooth, the only real similarity is the spectrum used14:43
MohammadAGCIR is like the one used on your TV's remote14:43
BCMMyeah14:43
mikki-kunwhoah Ö.ö lol?14:43
LjLis the N900 transmit-only?14:43
chem|stLjL: yes...14:44
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BCMMonly even different-er, because one protocol is one-way14:44
mikki-kunthanks for telling me that, i didn't know bluetooth goes 2.414:44
BCMMsome cordless phones too14:44
LjLit's a pity modern phones don't have IrDA, i still have and use devices with it14:44
chem|stor mice or keyboards14:44
chem|stor weather stations14:45
chem|stRC-controlled cars helicopters...14:45
chem|st2.4GHz is like consumer band14:46
alteregoIrDA is kind of pointless for me, considering the prevalence of bluetooth, CIR on the otherhand is cool. I can now use my phone to control my TV, computer and XBox :)14:46
chem|stalterego: dont forget to trigger your DSLR!14:46
mikki-kunwhy not just include both and everybody be happy with that?14:46
BCMMchem|st: well, that's because it's unlicensed14:46
alteregoAnd my new lirc frontend based on QML is coming along nicely :)14:46
MohammadAGalterego, except if you want to define a remote14:46
Maceris there a maemo app with  list of presets? something that can be used like a remote?14:47
LjLalterego: CIR is nice but keep in mind many devices with IrDA can be used as remote control even though they aren't explicitly CIR14:47
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LjLboth my Psion and my iPaq can do that, to an extent at least14:47
alteregoSure14:47
chem|stMacer: qtirreco14:47
MohammadAGmost of my TV's DVR (TV has a built in DVR) buttons aren't defined14:47
BCMMmikki-kun: and yes, all of the above microwave-using devices have been known to interfere with each other14:47
Macerchem|st: any good?14:47
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BCMMe.g. getting a call on your cordless kills your wifi speed14:47
chem|stMacer: sure14:47
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LjLit would be even nicer if the N900 could receive, so it could act as a programmable remote14:48
mikki-kunBCMM: so i turn on a freakin' strong microwave and kill with that all radio around me in a certain radius?14:48
mikki-kuncool ^^14:48
thpNooBmonk3y: pong14:48
LjLhehe yeah my WiFi (on channel 6) completely dies when the microwave is running :P14:48
mikki-kunswitch to channel 12 then14:48
LjLyeah, i used to be on channel 1114:49
LjLbut i moved to 6 because my phone didn't pick up the signal well on 1114:49
mikki-kunÖ.ö14:49
NooBmonk3yahaaa thp :P good a rather noobish question for ya :P14:49
mikki-kunthe channel can affect quality?14:49
LjLmikki-kun: well... it's a slightly different frequency so i guess if the antenna is better suited to a given frequency...14:50
chem|stfor that we have the "a" at 5.4GHz14:50
NooBmonk3yif i want to use HeAboutDialog, i assume i need to include a .h file - where do i get it from? (Or the code for it?)14:50
MohammadAGalterego, any theories on how this can be made better? http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line5514:50
NooBmonk3ygood = got* above lol14:50
mikki-kunchem|st: i thought it was a dead format like HD-DVD ^^14:50
MohammadAGI mean, there's a shitload of suffixes, how do I cover them all like firefox does :/14:50
thpNooBmonk3y: it's in the hildon extras package14:50
MohammadAG(by shitload I mean .com, .co.uk, .co.* .org, .net, .info, .whatever)14:51
NooBmonk3yahhh so i just dload the package, extract the h file, and import it into the qt project :)14:51
thpNooBmonk3y: libhildon-extras1-dev14:51
chem|stmikki-kun: I'd love to have abgn on any device as you change to a if bgn is crowded...14:51
thpNooBmonk3y: you can use pkgconfig14:51
NooBmonk3yahaaa saw that in a project somewhere, will go hunt it out :)14:51
BCMMLjL: heh, your microwave leaks?14:52
thpNooBmonk3y: we should probably redo the HeAboutDialog in QWidgets or QML ;)14:52
NooBmonk3yhehe that would be cool!14:52
mikki-kuni am not sure it will work though in real life scenarios... think of 100 people living in your wifi's radius and all of them have as well an abgn-router... they complain then that their wireless dies all the time and then, you bein the smart one and having switched to a-band, will see time after time an increase in a-bands popping up as the others are being told by their "network admins" to go a for lower interference... voila, you have14:53
LjLBCMM: definitely does... aside from the WiFI, we also have an electronic balance which goes totally bonkers when the microwave is on :P14:53
BCMMwhat? why does the electronic balance use microwaves?14:53
Macerhm14:53
Macerqtirreco is meh14:53
BCMMheh, i just looked it up: a microwave oven typically uses 2.45GHz14:53
BCMMhow awkward...14:53
LjLBCMM: i have no idea!14:53
BCMMso i guess it doesn't take anything like a harmful leakage of microwave radiation to break stuff14:54
BCMMstill, if it interferes with non-wireless stuff, maybe you should get it checked...14:54
mikki-kunthat is just cool, so we had wlan even before it was invented?!14:54
LjLno, it's pretty typical for microwaves to disturb wifi14:54
TermanaBCMM, you do know that ALL microwaves will leak14:54
LjLBCMM: well i think it's just that balance that's a little oversensitive to interference14:54
Maceri am trying to get this going for my comcast dvr14:54
TermanaBCMM, that's why you are suppose to stand two meters away from the microwave when in use14:55
BCMMmikki-kun: channel effects signal quality because unless you live in the middle of nowhere, someone is already using some of them14:55
LjLmicrowaves and WiFi both use similar frequencies because that's what was available for unlicensed use :P14:55
BugBlueBCMM: if you microwave is 1000watt and you leak like 200 miliwatt it's not much but still destroys the 50mw Wifi14:55
BCMMTermana: of course, but it sounds like quite a lot comes out of ljl's machine14:55
BCMMTermana: also, citation needed on the 2 meters thing...14:55
LjLBCMM: oh i don't think it's that in my case though, both channels are relatively free, yet my phone seems to work better on channel 6 than 1114:55
BCMMbtw, i suggest everyone who controlls an a wireless 802.11 network uses wifieye to find the least busy channel, and claim it14:56
BCMM(wifieye the n900 application)14:56
LjLby the way my phone is not an N900, in case everyone is trying to see what happens on their if they change channel :P14:56
mikki-kunBCMM "iwlist scan" does the same :)14:57
BCMMmikki-kun: ah, but wifieye has a pretty graph of which network exist on which bands at what signal strength14:57
LjLpretty graphs <314:58
mikki-kuni hate pretty graphs if i am just looking for plain info ^^14:58
BCMMoh, the setup here is not really optimum...14:58
TermanaBCMM, http://www.gallawa.com/microtech/Ch3.html at 1.5 meters (5 feet) you are still exposed to 0.005 mW14:58
BCMMnetworks all clustered on the top bands, bands 1-3 totally clear...14:58
mikki-kunomfg, i see here 2 others having switched the channel freq... -.-14:59
mikki-kunto 114:59
mikki-kunok, i'll go 3 then14:59
BCMMofc, ymmv, as LjL says some devices are just funny14:59
LjL3 is still pretty close to 1 (you know wifi channels overlap)14:59
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BCMMbut if you actually test it, it's a good start towards improving range and speed14:59
mikki-kun13 is gone as well as 6 and 114:59
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BCMMiirc i toyed with this to see if i could go outside and fix bicycles while still listening to internet radio15:00
mikki-kunor i could go 9/1015:00
LjLmikki-kun: then 1) mod your microwave so it radiates 10x as much as normal  2) wait for everyone to leave the channel involved  3) ???  4) profit15:00
BCMMwhy can't people who aren't japanese use channel 14?15:01
Maceruhm15:01
BCMMlegally, i mean15:01
mikki-kun1) i think here in switzerland there are laws for the radiation strength...15:01
LjLBCMM: oh? i thought that was an italian thing15:01
LjLmikki-kun: feh, laws!15:01
Macerdo i have to enable the ir to get qtirreco going15:01
chem|stMacer: no15:01
BCMMcause my router supports channel 14, and so does my n900, and naturally they're quite clear... will people die if i use it?15:01
LjLmikki-kun: only swiss people respect laws ;(15:02
chem|stMacer: range is about 3m15:02
chem|stBCMM: I hope so ;)15:02
LjLBCMM: well if you end up disturbing some important frequencies, someone might notice15:02
mikki-kunuhhhh, lol?!15:02
mikki-kunLjL: i am a finn tbh15:02
Macerhm15:02
LjLmikki-kun: only finnish people respect laws!15:02
Macerscrew this. isnt worth it15:02
Macerlol15:02
LjLmikki-kun: in fact, everyone but us does15:02
BCMMhuh, my neighborhood sucks WRT wifi spectrum - there are multiple networks on channel 915:03
chem|stLjL: only swiss? doubt it15:03
mikki-kunthe router says "i should be an channel 7 guy" but it is according to iwlist scan a channel 1 guy -.-15:03
BCMMeffectively double-parking on 6 and 1115:03
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chem|stBCMM: if they are low traffic it doesn't matter15:03
mikki-kunewww, will be gone a couple of moments, router restart...15:04
BCMMchem|st: i thought routers weren't supposed to do that unless they were specifically told to?15:04
BCMMah, they're all BT routers; stupid is explained15:05
BCMMincidentally, double-parking has far too many meanings15:05
BCMMi meant the "parking across two spaces" one15:06
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mikki-kunback again :)15:08
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mikki-kunnew channel and killed that senseless autochannel-mode15:08
dazoAnyone having tested PR1.3 and noticed if it changes how long the battery lasts?15:11
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SwedeMikedazo: I didn't notice much difference.15:12
JartzaI've run PR1.3 since it arrived and haven't noticed any difference15:12
Jartzamy battery still lasts for a day :)15:12
chem|stdazo shorter at mine15:12
dazoWell, mine used to last at least 2 days for me ... now it's barely a day15:12
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chem|stJartza: yeah mine too but I had about 2 days befor talking in terms of 24 hours15:13
SwedeMikeonly time I get mine to last 2 days if I leave it in 2G mode and wifi off and don't use it at all15:13
JartzaI have 3G and wifi on all the time15:13
Jartzadazo: have you installed any new applications since updating?15:13
dazoJartza:  only enabled ActiveSync (Exchange mail stuff)15:13
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CableTwitchYo15:13
dazoI'm also using the power kernel ... but I've not had power issues with that before15:14
dazoThis time though, I did a flash ... not the update-over-the-air-stuff15:14
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CableTwitchHmmm... Is anyone else getting invalid certificates when accessing the ovi store?15:15
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mikki-kuni can't even access it..15:20
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CableTwitchWhat, the ovi store?15:23
CableTwitchI should have also said "on my N900"15:23
CableTwitchI dont know if its something with the store itself, or the PR1.3...15:24
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alteregoI suppose it may be possible for me to implement my own blur qml component to add blur effects.15:26
lollooI disasembled my N900! pretty easy if you ask me!15:26
MohammadAGindeed15:27
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MohammadAGnow get a 25MP camera and take photos, then upload them in RAW15:27
lolloohehehe15:27
CableTwitchYes it is. How did you do it? 4ft drop onto concrete? Crowbar? Rolled yourdeskchair over it?15:27
CableTwitchXD15:27
tugrikno issues for me CableTwitch - but at what point do you get the cert issue?15:27
MohammadAGit's piss easy to disassemble it15:28
lollookind of! with inside screws were tough15:28
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MohammadAGgood luck with assembling the screen ribbon15:28
MohammadAG(not being sarcastic, good luck, you'll need it)15:28
CableTwitchtugrik: When I try and re-download the angry birds level pack 1. I reaslise I havent tried to DL anything else since, but its the first time its ever complained at me.15:28
CableTwitchYeah, the screen ribbon is a bitch, until you get the technique right. Took me about half an hour of fiddling to get that puppy sorted.15:29
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lollooMohammadAG, I have a slight problem with skype, quality calling isnt good15:30
lolloowhen I call my friend who has N97 he hears me very well, but I dont15:30
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lollooI get like crackling sound15:31
MohammadAGno idea, skype's clear here15:31
lolloonot video call, just normal call. the guys here helped me with many suggestions like change my powersaving feature or change my dsl modem15:32
MohammadAGdefective mic maybe?15:33
lolloowhen calling echo/test service i get very bad quality.15:33
lolloomic you mean speakers?15:33
MohammadAGoh, thought the other party heard crackling15:33
lollooI flashed my N900 again but that also didnt work.15:33
lollooI applied bootN900 patch15:34
lolloobut that aslo didnt work15:34
lollooBOOSTN90015:34
lollooI will record my call using echo/test15:34
lollooand you can judge.15:35
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lolloobare with me please.15:41
* n900evil is naked.15:41
lollooewww15:41
* n900evil jumps up and down.15:41
lollooMohammadAG, can you check this please. this is recording15:42
lolloohttp://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac15:43
lollooit's a recording of my skype call to echo/test service,15:43
nomiscan somebody point me to the sources for the lirc_rx51 driver?15:43
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lolloowatch how it is struggling.15:43
lollooMohammadAG, bad isn'tit?15:44
lolloomy friend hears me very well but I dont.15:45
lolloois there something wrong with upload speed on N900?15:45
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chem|stlolloo: as told several times now... have you tried another router?15:47
chem|stor lets call it accesspoint15:48
olihi, I've got a little problem with hildon gui15:48
oliI mean: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png15:48
oliall borders, hilights and other elements dissappeared after I've installed midori & rebooted15:48
chem|stoli: have you tried with rebooting again?15:49
olichem|st: a few times15:49
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olican't google anything about this issue15:51
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chem|stoli: a webbrowser is not changeing anything... usually15:52
chem|stdoes uninstalling midori help it?15:52
olididn't change anything, but during installation there was an "updating icon cache" notification15:53
oliso I guess it may be related15:53
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FIQUsually that's just due to insert the Midori menu item15:55
FIQOh, N800, don't know about how that works15:55
oliI'll try removing maemo5-like menu15:58
pupnikvery nice bitmap tracing program.  http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/screenshot.gif15:59
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olithe same glitch with old menus... (+annoying bar on the left)16:01
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Venemohi16:02
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oliIs trying to reinstall hildon-desktop really a bad idea? ;)16:04
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Venemooli: it isn't a bad idea, but what are you trying to achieve?16:05
oliVenemo: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png that's how my n800's gui looks like16:05
olilost all borders, hilights, scrollbars16:06
Venemooli, it seems like a screwed up theme16:06
oliIt's the same with all preinstalled themes16:07
olimenus lost their rounded corners, etc16:07
pupnikhttp://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/AutoTraceHelpOutputFormat  << what's the simplest scalable vector format to parse with my own program?16:07
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lolloosorry the I got D/C16:08
Venemooli: well then try reinstalling hildon-desktop16:08
lollooMohammadAG, sorry.16:08
Venemooli: if it doesn't do anything, we'll think about it more16:09
Venemooli: this may be obvious, but did you try to set the theme to default then reboot?16:09
oliVenemo: reinsattall = apt-get remove + apt-get install ?16:09
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Venemooli: apt-get install -reinstall hildon-desktop or something like this, wait a moment16:10
oliVenemo: yes, it didn't change anything16:10
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lolloothis is my skype I recorded the call to echo/test on my N90016:10
lolloohttp://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac16:10
Venemooli: 'apt-get install --reinstall packagename'16:10
Venemooli: this is the correct command16:10
oliok, rebooting16:11
Venemooli: but before doing this, set the theme to the built-in and reboot16:11
Venemooli: after the reinstall, reboot again (just to be sure)16:11
Venemooli: if it doesn't help, all I can recommend is backup your data and16:11
Venemo~flashing16:11
infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware16:11
MohammadAGlolloo, latency problem I guess16:11
MohammadAGtry a faster connection16:12
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lollooMohammadAG, yes but I am using my 10Mb dsl line.16:12
oliVenemo: still white everywhere , suits the weather ;]16:13
lolloodo you think there is an upload problem with N900?16:13
Venemooli: if noone has a better idea, I suggest trying a reflash16:13
lollooalso I changged the wireless channel16:13
Venemooli: don't forget to backup your data before doing it16:13
lolloobut didn'tsolve anything16:13
lollooI disabled powersave for N900 but same thing.16:13
MohammadAGlolloo, pingtest.net16:14
lollooawesome ok16:14
oliVenemo: one thing I said before you joined - it happened after I've installed midori16:14
Venemooli: I guess you already uninstalled midori16:15
lollootesting,16:15
Venemogood morning MohammadAG :)16:15
MohammadAGmorning :)16:16
oliVenemo: yup.16:16
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Venemooli: well then I'm out of ideas, sorry :(16:21
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oliVenemo: me too,16:23
lolloook here is my symptom, with pingtest16:23
oliSeems I have to flash (again)16:23
lollooI tried ping test on my pc and my N90016:24
lollooI get on my PC grade B with ping 131@2ms jitter16:24
lollooI get on my N900 grade C with ping 170@23ms jitter16:24
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lollooMohammadAG, sorry for bothering you, but why is N900 slower and jitters much compared to my pc16:25
lollooall using the same wireless connection mind you16:25
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MohammadAGB or C aren't the best16:26
MohammadAGI get an A, and it's just a 5MB line16:26
MohammadAGcould be a crappy router16:26
jogaskype has worked fine for me, even over 3g16:26
lolloowow awesome16:26
lolloonearest server to me is kuwaite16:27
lollooalthough kuwait is far :p16:27
Venemooli: I haven't had an N800, so I don't really know much about it, sorry16:27
lolloobut what when calling using pc is much better16:27
lolloocompared to n900 skype.16:27
lolloomaybe there is a patch or a way to improve wireless speed on N900?16:28
lolloospecially uploading.16:28
Venemololloo: my N900's Skype is much better than on my laptop16:28
lolloowow16:28
lollooI envy you16:28
Venemololloo: because the N900's microphone has a lot better quality than my laptop's16:28
lcukwhats todays app of the day to install?16:28
lolloodid you hear my recording? its terrible!!!16:28
lolloobut internet upload on n900 is slow don't you think?16:29
lollooI use skype daily, but with situation its hard for me16:29
lollooI kind of miss what my boss tell me ! hehe16:31
oliVenemo: just flashed it - thanks for your help :)16:31
lollooI cant hear what he is saying haha16:31
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Venemooli: you're welocme16:32
Venemololloo: well I didn't listen to your recording, but I believed the people with whom I talked over Skype16:32
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lollooyes other ppl hear me crystalclear16:33
lolloobut I don't16:33
lolloohttp://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac16:33
lolloomy frnd has N97 and he hears me very well!16:33
lolloobut I don't.16:33
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lollooanyways thank you guys every little helps. I will keep searching.16:37
lollooit says on pingtest.net packetloss test failed!16:38
lollooon my N900 that is.16:38
lolloodoes that mean anything?16:38
pupnik"We are all 'rationally ignorant'... We can only be informed about a small number of things - the things that help us make a living or the things we enjoy doing in our personal lives." - Dr. Bruce Yandle, Clemson University16:40
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lolloopupnik, nothing new on the saying16:48
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n900evilhmm16:50
n900evilHow do I change volume in the browser?16:50
alteregoGoto dashboard, change volume then go back to browser.16:52
VenemoNooBmonk3y: ping16:52
NooBmonk3yVenemo, I pong badly16:52
alteregoOr, in browser settings you can tell it to use -/+ keys for volume over zoom16:52
VenemoNooBmonk3y: thank god you're here16:52
* NooBmonk3y looks up, god where? lol16:53
VenemoNooBmonk3y: I know you have used Qt Mobility sensors before16:53
NooBmonk3yafternooooooooooooon16:53
NooBmonk3yooo yes, the one thing that kinda works :p16:53
VenemoNooBmonk3y: how can I start a QAccelerometer?16:53
VenemoNooBmonk3y: its isActive() always returns false16:54
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NooBmonk3yi cheated and used most of the qt example code hold on...16:55
VenemoNooBmonk3y: where is that?16:55
NooBmonk3yhttp://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/blobs/master/explorer.cpp16:56
NooBmonk3yis my code hold on16:56
NooBmonk3ywill link to the actual example16:56
lolloosharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg16:56
NooBmonk3y(By my, i mean slightly ammended nokia code lol)16:56
VenemoNooBmonk3y: there is no QAcceleormeter in your code16:56
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timeless_xchatsp3000: Are you @office?16:56
NooBmonk3yVenemo, it has qsensor and scrolls through all of em16:56
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: mhm16:57
NooBmonk3yinstall the extras-devel healthcheck, look under tools->sensor explorer16:57
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lolloohealthcheck got new update this week!16:58
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: all I had to do is remove the isActive() check, and it works16:58
NooBmonk3ylolloo, kinda!16:58
NooBmonk3ylols!!!16:58
lolloohehe16:58
NooBmonk3ylolloo, development update, just kinda an update to show i am working on it slowly16:59
VenemoNooBmonk3y: seems that isActive is lying...16:59
NooBmonk3yVenemo, that happens alot!16:59
VenemoNooBmonk3y: there is setActive() in 1.1.0, but not in 1.0.2 :(16:59
NooBmonk3ySpent most of this weekend finding out maemo isn't supported yet on alot of qtmobility16:59
NooBmonk3yor it was, and isnt now16:59
NooBmonk3ylike you have just found out!16:59
NooBmonk3ylolloo, interested on feedback if you are bored :P17:00
lollooyes I do have17:00
lollooI will keep in touch!17:00
VenemoNooBmonk3y: it is. just 1.1.0 is not in the repo yet17:00
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NooBmonk3ynope its not :(17:00
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NooBmonk3y1.2 due out early next year supposedly17:01
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/index.html#platform-compatibility17:03
VenemoNooBmonk3y: everything except the "feedback" api is okay for Maemo 517:03
NooBmonk3yVenemo, that is not true!17:03
VenemoNooBmonk3y: why not?17:03
NooBmonk3yyes they work but not all functionality included in maemo17:03
VenemoNooBmonk3y: what is not?17:04
NooBmonk3yFor example17:04
NooBmonk3yback end audioinput/output17:04
NooBmonk3yie, you can't list devices17:04
NooBmonk3ytherefore - useless to me17:04
NooBmonk3yyou can play and do snazzy stuff, but not get into the techy details17:04
lcukNooBmonk3y, which bug reports are you tracking which tell you its missing17:04
NooBmonk3ylcuk, qt main pages,17:05
lcukie if the devs dont know that developers are expecting such support, they may not know to try and add it17:05
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NooBmonk3ythey do :)17:05
* lcuk smiles17:05
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: open a bug report17:05
NooBmonk3ywill post a bug if one doesnt exist, but have enough to do and keep me busy in the meanwhile17:05
lcukroger17:05
VenemoNooBmonk3y: and tell them that this table is a lie, and also tell them "DON'T LIE TO US, YOU MORONS!"17:05
NooBmonk3ylcuk, it was a comment by one of the qtmobility developers.... not available now,. will be in 1.217:05
Venemo~nuke the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us17:05
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us ... B☢☢M!17:05
NooBmonk3y(for maemo anyway)17:06
NooBmonk3ythey didnt lie, just bent the truth, into a perfect circle lol17:06
lolloohehe great way to say it17:07
NooBmonk3y:)17:07
* NooBmonk3y has decided to change mywebsite again, got bored with it being too complex17:07
NooBmonk3yso using wordpress for easier blogging17:07
lolloosharing :  http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg17:08
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lollooNooBmonk3y, share your website.17:08
NooBmonk3ynice lolloo  :)17:08
NooBmonk3ylolloo, will do when complete :P - looks like a pigs toilet atm17:08
lolloohehehe17:08
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MohammadAGhow do I cleanly restart hildon-desktop grr17:11
timeless_xchatkillall hildon-desktop17:12
Venemokillall will kill it, then upstart'll restart it17:12
MohammadAGthat's not clean17:12
MohammadAGit won't rotate properly afterwards17:12
MohammadAGdsme will, upstart doesn't usually do this :P17:12
MohammadAGk, nvm17:13
MohammadAGgot the status menu showing in portrait mode17:13
MohammadAGnow to realign it17:14
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pupnikPatent lawyer Stephan Kinsella: "How Intellectual Property Hampers Capitalism" (video, mp3, transcript) http://www.stephankinsella.com/2010/10/how-intellectual-property-hampers-capitalism-transcript/17:15
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MohammadAGwho wants this? :P http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg17:23
NooBmonk3ywants what?17:24
NooBmonk3ya screenshot?17:24
MohammadAGstatus menu in portrait mode smartass17:24
NooBmonk3yor ther vertical stylee status menu thing?17:24
NooBmonk3y;)17:24
NooBmonk3yi dont get this portrait mode malarky....17:25
NooBmonk3yits easier and quicker for me to use my phone in landscape lol17:25
NooBmonk3y+ alot more comfortable to hold17:25
NooBmonk3ymaybe i'm just odd.........17:25
lcuks/odd/old/17:25
yasirMy N900 is on a restart loop after I installed some widget in it. I guess  destop switcher widget. I have spend quite a time to install some usefull application so do want to reflash if possible. is there any option to just remove the problematic widget is get my n900 working without reflashing?17:26
VenemoNooBmonk3y: yeah I'm sayin this since I have the N900... :P17:28
lcukhmm is it easy to mount the main rootfs partition from within meego?17:28
VenemoNooBmonk3y: but honestly, this is a great feature17:28
lcukto potentially allow some kind of recorvy?17:28
lcukrecovery17:28
NooBmonk3yit is a great feature :) - no doubt, as the forums have been filled with the "i want portrait" brigade for a while ;)17:29
NooBmonk3yand what people want, MohammadAG gives ;)17:29
MohammadAGnot only that17:29
MohammadAGlol, bad timing17:29
NooBmonk3yhaha17:29
NooBmonk3yi'm actually almost crying with laughter lol17:29
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* MohammadAG throws a banana at NooBmonk3y 17:31
* NooBmonk3y grins17:31
* lcuk watches as NooBmonk3y deftly chops the banana into pieces, drops it into the blener and passes the mush onwards to mrs NooBmonk3y to produce an awesome cake out of17:32
lcukblender as well :P17:33
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NooBmonk3ylcuk, she made coffe cream chocolates at 7am this morning, what a breakfast ;) (I just asked her to leave out the coffee heehee)17:33
lcukyeah coffee in a cup17:33
lcuknot in a cake17:33
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lcukthat is just wrong17:33
lcuki once ate a coffee cream out of a box of chocs17:34
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lcuki had to dig in the entire box to find the antidote17:34
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keriowat17:34
NooBmonk3ylol!17:36
lcukNooBmonk3y, who was the lovely lady that responded to your FF17:37
lcukis it someone you work with?17:37
NooBmonk3yoh, my chief exec lol17:37
lcuk:D heh17:37
NooBmonk3yshe is lovely17:37
NooBmonk3yif a bit margaret thatcheresque17:37
NooBmonk3ygot bigger balls then the rest of the board put together17:38
lcuko_O17:38
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MohammadAGLOL17:40
keriometaphorically speaking?17:40
NooBmonk3ysupposedly :p17:41
NooBmonk3yshe has actually taken to blogging damn well though17:43
NooBmonk3yshe has a work blog, and has done so well to ignore the rants, quite impressed17:43
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otwieraczHello.17:43
NooBmonk3yhello17:43
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Venemohi17:45
otwieraczI'm looking for someone with working cross-compilation environment for Diablo 5.2008.43-7.17:45
otwieracz*Or* I'm looking for help to set-up that environment.17:45
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otwieraczI need GPG plugin for Pidgin.17:46
otwieraczhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-gpg/ ← this one.17:46
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lollooyou need to compile one as far as I know.17:47
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otwieraczI already installed scratchbox and SDK - but what's next?17:48
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lolloommm someone better thank me could answer that.17:48
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MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=889833#post88983317:51
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lollooMohammadAG, you are a saint!17:59
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lcukSpeedEvil, GROAN17:59
MohammadAGdoesn't go well with my name, sorry :P17:59
* alterego feels schleepy18:00
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lcukGAN900Ugh, sinus infection.18:00
lcukSpeedEvilAre you sure it's not a cosine infection?18:00
lcukmerlin_1991whatabout tangent?18:00
lolloohehehe18:00
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* MohammadAG reads alterego a book18:00
lcuk~lcuk18:00
infobotyou are, like, a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London.18:00
lollooMohammadAG, sorry!18:00
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lcukoooh who wrote that? :D18:01
MohammadAGlol why apologize? :P18:01
MohammadAG~factinfo lcuk18:01
infobotlcuk -- created by qwerty12_N810 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> at Mon Aug 31 21:54:33 2009 (460 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 05:09:37 2010 by crashanddie!~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie; it has been requested 5 times, last by lcuk, 27s ago.18:01
lcukta mo18:02
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Venemo~MohammadAG18:04
infobotmethinks mohammadag is your father18:04
Venemo:D18:04
Venemo~Venemo18:04
infobotit has been said that venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo18:04
Venemothe ~MohammadAG is lol18:06
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alterego~alterego18:09
alteregoburn!18:09
alteregoI'm  not as renowned obviously :)18:10
Venemo~alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question18:10
infobotokay, Venemo18:10
Venemo~alterego18:10
infobotrumour has it, alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question18:10
alterego:D awww, thank you :D18:10
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Venemoyw :P18:11
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alteregoOh crap ..18:28
trxis there a way my app can use liblocation without "satelite" icon appearing in the status bar?18:30
Venemotrx: no18:31
Venemotrx: that is because the user deserves to know that you're siphoning his battery with the GPS18:32
Venemoalterego: what is crap?18:32
alteregoI wrote over a couple of .qml files ..18:32
alteregoSo I lost some progress :(18:32
Venemoalterego: :(18:32
trxVenemo that would be in user's best intrerest18:33
trxas i am making an app which would make the phone send you the co-ords if you get it lost/stolen18:33
trxi need that so the "thief" doesnt see anything suspicious18:34
trxand turn off the phone...18:34
trxso there is no way?18:36
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Venemotrx: well you must hack around this stuff then18:42
Venemotrx: somehow hide the status bar icon18:42
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trxyeah18:43
Venemotrx: sounds like an extensive hacking, but not impossible18:43
trxcouldnt i get the handle of the status bar window and its children18:44
trxfind the one i need and send the WS_INVISIBLE of w/e18:45
trxim not familliar with linux so much :/18:45
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fralsi would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p18:47
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trxor that :D18:47
fralsor if everything goes down because it doesnt have proper errorhandling ;)18:47
trxan app like this i really nessesary if u live in country like serbia18:47
trxwhere cops dont give a ... for you phone :)18:48
Venemotrx: frals's idea is good18:48
trxi will try it out, thank you18:48
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cos^trx: umm, there is already such app, smscon18:52
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trxi wasnt aware of that18:52
NooBmonk3ytrx, possible to only do it when the phone is not in-use (ie wait for the timeout?)18:53
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NooBmonk3ybut to be honest, i dont think they'd realise quick enough what is happenning18:54
NooBmonk3yor do it, and pop a message up saying "System check complete" lol18:54
trxlol18:54
trxyeah :)18:54
trxim just exploring all the options18:55
trxto see what can and cant be done..18:55
NooBmonk3yif they realise what is happenning i'm sure they would know how to remove the baseapp :P18:55
Venemotrx: also make your app not showing up in the application manager18:55
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NooBmonk3yVenemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 thifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them"18:56
trxlol18:56
NooBmonk3ys/thifs/theifs/18:56
infobotNooBmonk3y meant: Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 theifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them"18:56
VenemoNooBmonk3y: what is a 'theif'? :P18:57
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trxVenemo that is also a good idea, ill try that too18:57
NooBmonk3ythief meh18:57
trxcos^ that is a good program18:58
trxbut it looses the purpose if some1 changes the sim card18:58
trxmy idea is to have the app check the server each eg 6 hours and see if tracking is on18:59
trxif not, check again in 6 hours19:00
trxor if yes, start sending the co ords19:00
nidOif you mean smscon, it handles sim card changes19:00
trxit does?19:00
nidOyou can set smscon with an email address and contact number, and itll email/text you if the sim card's changed19:00
trxthats good19:00
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bash`hi, can someone help me integrating maemo in qtcreator?19:11
keriobash`: i use you as my shell! ^_^19:12
bash`kerio: I use zsh :P19:12
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: were you the one who questioned why is there a gconf process?19:15
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Venemonetsplit! great!19:16
keriofreenode!19:16
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ibansalhi everyone19:19
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ibansali made the moon activity available in debian and ubuntu and wish to port the same to maemo. Can anyone help me in this. Any help would be highly appreciated19:20
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Venemoibansal: do you have a specific question about it?19:21
trx[17:47] <frals> i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p19:21
trxhaha it works19:21
trx:D19:21
Venemoibansal: do you want to make it a homescreen applet or a full-sized application?19:22
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trxmaybe i should just leave the icon but change it to a smiley or stmh :D19:22
Venemoibansal: other question: is it based on Qt or Gtk?19:22
ibansalVenemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python19:22
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Venemoibansal: I have not tried this yet, but NooBmonk3y may be able to help you with packaging a Python application19:23
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: help him :P19:23
ibansalVenemo, thanks19:24
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ibansalNooBmonk3y, around?19:24
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Venemoibansal: does the application itself work on Maemo?19:24
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ibansalVenemo, i am a bit new to maemo so i dont know exactly. But i think it should as maemo also supports pygtk and python.19:25
ibansalcan you tell me on how can i check it ?19:25
Venemoibansal: try running it with python (eg. from the terminal)19:25
Venemoibansal: copy the python file to the device and start it as you would start it on a desktop computer19:25
Venemoibansal: eg. 'python mystuff.py' or something like that (I'm not familiar with Python development, sorry)19:26
ibansalVenemo, okay19:26
NooBmonk3ykinda19:27
NooBmonk3yhere for 10 mins before heading out for dinner19:27
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NooBmonk3yibansal, healthcheck (currently in extras) is a qt/gtk'ish front end (99% qt) and python backend though19:28
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ibansalNooBmonk3y, sorry can you elaborate exactly what do you mean19:30
NooBmonk3y<ibansal> Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python   << i was just saying that my app isnt GTK (in whole), so not sure if thats what you where asking?19:31
ibansalNooBmonk3y, okay you were refering to your app healthcheck right?19:32
ibansalNooBmonk3y, my app isn't GTK in whole but uses some of the features of gtk19:32
NooBmonk3yahhh, well whats your actual question? :)19:33
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* alterego giggles like a little girl.19:35
alteregoThis is the first practical application I've made with QML ^.^19:35
ibansalNooBmonk3y, i just want a app already packaged for maemo for reference so that i can package my app accordingly19:36
NooBmonk3yibansal, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/healthcheck/1.2.0-3/19:37
NooBmonk3ywell done alterego  :)19:37
ibansalNooBmonk3y, thanks19:37
NooBmonk3yalterego, is the "find sex" maemo app? hehehe19:37
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alteregoHeh, no19:38
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NooBmonk3yaghhhhh late for dinner at the inlaws19:39
ibansalNooBmonk3y, can you give me a link to any packaging guide for maemo on how we can port app from debian to maemo19:39
NooBmonk3yibansal, never used one, i used the brains from this place as it was my first ever go :P19:40
ibansalNooBmonk3y, okay19:40
ibansalguess i would be doing the same19:40
NooBmonk3yback laters alls :)19:40
merlin1991ibansal: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging19:41
ibansalmerlin1991, thanks19:41
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alteregoNooBmonk3y: it's a QML based user interface for lircd19:42
NooBmonk3yoooooooooo19:43
NooBmonk3yi wanna see :)19:43
NooBmonk3ybut later19:43
alteregoShould make it easy for people to hack together pretty interfaces for remote controls.19:43
NooBmonk3yagghhh so so late!19:43
alteregoHeh19:43
alteregoI've got TV, XBOX360 and Laptop :)19:43
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Arkenoino more free service from nuevasync. it sucks.19:59
steinexArkenoi, yeah.19:59
DocScrutinizerVenemo: yes, I don't like the concept of gconfd19:59
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: recently I discovered what its purpose is20:09
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: GConf can notify you about settings changes in realtime, that's why gconfd is for20:15
DocScrutinizerI know, and my notion is "useless feature"20:16
Venemo:D20:19
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DocScrutinizera) there's *very* few settings relevant and common to a large number of processes, and b) usually you already have a central process used and shared by those, like e.g. X, and c) there are things like inotify20:22
GeneralAntillesNew FBReader crashes on start20:23
GeneralAntillesGreat.20:23
VenemoDocScrutinizer: makes sense20:24
VenemoDocScrutinizer: so basically they should have used one of the existing processes for this, right?20:24
alteregoI wonder if I have low level access to the XPS M1530 CIR receiver ..20:26
JaffaArkenoi: Erminig works well20:26
alteregoWould be cool if I could use it as a training remote.20:27
MohammadAG_alterego, do you know how to get the blue/gray text in QPushButtons as per http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg ?20:28
alteregoMohammadAG_: they only go blue when the button is asociated with a pick selector.20:31
alteregoIf you set the text yourself it's grey.20:31
VenemoMohammadAG_: those are Gtk widgets, not Qt ones20:31
MohammadAG_Venemo, I saw colombus does it, and Qt buttons should be able to do it :P20:32
MohammadAG_alterego, how do I set it myself?20:32
VenemoMohammadAG_: yeah.20:32
VenemoMohammadAG_: that's right20:32
alteregoMohammadAG_: setValueText20:32
Arkenoijaffa: well, having two separate things for calendar and contacts sync suck.20:32
Arkenoii'd petter pay $12 to nuevasync20:32
MohammadAG_alterego, doesn't seem to be a QPushButton method20:34
VenemoQMaemo5ValueButton maybe?20:34
Venemoor something like that20:34
MohammadAG_sigh, Maemo 5 specific :P20:34
VenemoMohammadAG_: yep, seems so20:34
alteregoOh, yeah, sorry it's QMaemo5ValueButton ;)20:35
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: basically right20:38
DocScrutinizeralterego: M1530?20:39
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DocScrutinizeralterego: how about using hostmode and a IrDA dongle?20:43
JaffaArkenoi: Meh, I don't sync contacts; and Erminig is nice, GUIificated and does multiple calendars.20:43
VenemoDocScrutinizer: that's creative thinking :D20:43
DocScrutinizerNo clue what a XPS M1530 CIR receiver20:43
DocScrutinizeris20:43
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MohammadAG_alterego, and how do I center text?20:47
alteregoMohammadAG_: setValueLayout()20:48
alteregoDocScrutinizer: M1530 is my laptop20:48
alteregoDell XPS M153020:48
MohammadAG_#ifdef it is :P20:51
MohammadAG_your laptop has a CIR?20:51
MohammadAG_oh, receiver20:51
MohammadAG_prolly for MCE then20:51
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alteregoYeah20:52
alteregoGot a nice remote, which I've got a lircd conf for.20:52
alteregoWas just wondering if I could use it for training.20:52
MohammadAG_which reminds me20:52
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MohammadAG_can I use that type of CIR to make remote files?20:53
* MohammadAG_ has one sitting here, no use on Ubuntu20:53
alteregoWell, that is what I Was wondering :P20:53
MohammadAG_oh, thought you already did that :P20:53
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lolloo MohammadAG_ , do you reommend I use the app now?20:55
lolloorecommend*20:55
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MohammadAG_what app?20:58
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lolloothe one that nokia didn'tdo but you did it my awesome friend!20:59
lolloohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6658620:59
lollooalthough it says incompatibil package cant install.20:59
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lollooI hate app amanger! omg21:00
lollooI don't know why I keep using it!21:00
lolloomy bad!21:00
lolloonow I can show-off my phone to my friends! hehe21:02
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MohammadAG_lol I was discussing something with Venemo (not sure if he wants to talk about it here - at least at the moment) and it came to my mind21:08
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mikki-kunMohammadAG_: i saw you having made a package in one of your posts, is that post "better" than the instructions you gave in the opening post?21:09
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MohammadAG_mikki-kun, status menu? it has 6 lines as requested above it21:09
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mikki-kunyou gave instructiuons for how to install it in the first post and then later you posted a plain link to a package ;)21:10
mikki-kunhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=889966&postcount=1721:11
mikki-kunis that a reference to a new one?21:11
MohammadAG_mikki-kun, read the post above it21:12
mikki-kunahhhh, ok, so that link has the +6 lines :)21:12
mikki-kuni got a little confused by it, sorry and thanks :)21:13
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mikki-kunthat is just plain awesome! :D21:16
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mikki-kunis there some kudos bot or such idling in this channel? i need to give somebody kudos for a great package21:17
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DocScrutinizeralterego: MohammadAG_: look at LIRC's site, there's quite some data on how to use CIR for learning IR codes21:20
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: sweet.21:21
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MohammadAG_mikki-kun, yw :)21:22
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mikki-kunyou added one crucial thing nokia forgot... in phone-mode, when you have the logs, you can't just say "ohhhh well, i will quickly change to skype" when it is fixed to portrait mode... now that works :)21:24
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SpeedEvilI have enabled the browser portrait/landscape mode, and it works.21:26
Jay_BEEhowdy21:26
SpeedEvilIs there a way to allow the other two orientations to work?21:26
mikki-kunhu?21:27
mikki-kunyou mean holding the device up-side down?21:27
SpeedEvilyes21:27
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mikki-kunthere should be a package which allows that all the time21:28
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mikki-kunbut it really isn't recommended imo21:28
mikki-kunit'll make your n900 go spinning ^^21:28
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MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, that's kinda interesting21:41
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* MohammadAG_ wonders if adding it in hildon-desktop is possible21:41
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alteregoI like that feature in the image viewer, good when using it to show things to others'.21:45
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* MohammadAG_ suggests writing Qt 1:1 copies of some apps on Maemo 521:50
VenemoMohammadAG_: we could simply use MeeGo's apps21:50
alteregoLike what apps? :)21:50
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MohammadAG_alterego, phone would be a start21:51
alteregoHeh21:51
alteregoAny reason why?21:51
MohammadAG_it's painfully slow21:52
MohammadAG_and not OSS21:52
mikki-kunisn't hildon painfully slow at times?21:52
mikki-kunahhh and what is also slow is the email client21:52
mikki-kunseems that if you have too many mail it needs to reread all of them again21:52
Venemomikki-kun: it is not just slow, it is (quoted from Stskeeps) utter crap21:53
mikki-kunnot like it has a continiously growing list21:53
mikki-kun:D21:53
MohammadAG_hildon is quite fast21:53
mikki-kunMohammadAG_: aren't those apps part of hildon as well?21:53
MohammadAG_the lack of VSync coupled with the fact that GTK is slower than Qt, makes the phone app slow, compared to other apps21:53
mikki-kungtk is slower than qt?!21:54
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Venemowell I wouldn't bet on that one21:54
alteregoNoticing quite a bit of tear in my QML stuff.21:54
mikki-kunlet's not start the fanboy-wars here :D for some apps qt is better, for some gtk :)21:54
Pavlovthat is a pretty generic statement21:54
alteregoIt's a bit annoying, but I don't care too much.21:54
MohammadAG_compare scrolling in a long list21:54
keriolies21:54
Pavlovanything can be slower than anything else depending on what you're doing with it21:54
MohammadAG_Qt > GTK here21:54
alteregomikki-kun: that's not true at all :P21:54
kerioliqbase > else21:54
MohammadAG_can't be a fanboy there btw, I use Qt on maemo, GTK on my desktop so.. yeah21:55
alteregoIf we didn't have Qt built into the root image, then Gtk would be better, but as we do ..21:55
mikki-kunwell, i don't honestly care if gtk or qt, i am using mostly cli-based stuff ^^21:55
Pavlov(Qt is probably more optimized than Gtk for mobile, but totally depends on what you're doing)21:55
MohammadAG_Pavlov, +1 there21:55
alteregoI don't think it depends at all.21:55
Venemojudging them from scrolling framerate is not a good idea. anyway, since the Phone app at least works, it shouldn't be high priority21:55
alteregoThey both do the same thing, well, Qt does a lot more.21:55
mikki-kuni made my previous statement as a general one, not specifically pointed towards the n900 :)21:56
alteregoAnd is easier.21:56
Pavlovthat wasn't what was stated21:56
Venemoalterego++21:56
Pavlovit was stated that Qt was faster than GTK21:56
alteregoWhich makes it better for most things. What would you need Gtk+ for if Qt is available?21:56
MohammadAG_Venemo, I wanted something not in the phone app21:56
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VenemoMohammadAG_: what is that?21:56
alteregoIt probably is for quite a few things ..21:56
MohammadAG_I forgot what it was right now, but suppose I do, I can't add it21:56
Pavlovwhich one does more or is easier to use doesn't factor in to that at all21:56
lcukalterego, you would need gtk+ if you have an existing application or strongly dislike c21:56
lcukc++ ^21:56
mikki-kunwhat i would want to see is an improvment in the front-facing camera...21:56
alteregolcuk: yes, fair enough. But that's not what they're arguing.21:57
mikki-kunlcuk: i strongly dislike c++ as it ain't doing what i want it to do =p21:57
VenemoMohammadAG_: well if MeeGo's phone app works, then let's use that21:57
MohammadAG_doubtful21:57
MohammadAG_it uses ofono21:57
alteregomikki-kun: I'd suggest that is a problem with you and not C++ :P21:57
mikki-kunanybody here maybe who might want to help me there with an assigment i am supposed to hand in? ^^'21:58
lcukmeegos phone app ties into different layers Venemo21:58
lcukso its not just a case of the ui ontop21:58
mikki-kuni cannoit get what the errors mean21:58
lcukbut the whole stack underneat21:58
lcukh21:58
MohammadAG_a complete media player rewrite would be nice21:59
alteregoHeh21:59
Venemohow about MeeGo's media player21:59
mikki-kunuse mplayer as the base i guess21:59
MohammadAG_but I doubt anyone is up to the task of doing so, and releasing it as OSS21:59
MohammadAG_mikki-kun, mafw is fine, the UI isn't21:59
mikki-kunmafw?21:59
MohammadAG_mikki-kun, such crap can be fixed if it was OSS21:59
MohammadAG_backend22:00
mikki-kunahhhh22:00
alteregomafw is nice.22:00
mikki-kuncan't we just use the backend or does it specifically need the frontend then as well?22:00
alteregoIt also allows better integration. If you get rid of using mafw, then one of my apps will no longer work either :P22:00
alteregoNo, any app can use mafw.22:01
mikki-kunso why not just "write" a new frontend for it?22:01
lcukwriting a media player is like Hello World22:01
lcukeveryone tries it22:01
alteregoCan't say I have :P22:01
MohammadAG_lcuk, no one succeeds in making it feature rich22:01
kerioexcept the amarok guys22:02
mikki-kunwe have mplayer which manual holds more than 5k lines...22:02
RevdKathyThere are lots of other things that need sorting in Meego - mplayer works fine.22:02
* MohammadAG_ wants a complete rewrite of the mediaplayer22:02
keriowho make a fork of emacs that plays music instead of editing text files22:02
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MohammadAG_1:1, but in Qt22:02
MohammadAG_RevdKathy, talking about Maemo22:02
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VenemoMohammadAG_: PM'd you22:02
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MohammadAG_or Nokia needs to stick to their promises and OSS crap, or stop making promises22:03
* mikki-kun wants a complete rewrite of maemo22:03
MohammadAG_Venemo, sorry, was zoomed in with compiz22:03
Venemonp :P22:03
lcukMohammadAG_, if you are talking about Qt22:03
lcukyou are talking about both22:03
lcukif done correctly of course22:03
ds3arrggg, android is annoying22:04
lcukwe already know that, hence the channel..22:04
ds3anyone recall how complete was the old Mer stuff?22:05
alteregoWant some more cool app ideas to do in QML ..22:05
ds3lcuk: yes, it was added frustration from actually spending time on Android after experiencing the Maemo for years22:05
alteregoSmall things though, as I'm still working on Columbus at the moment ;)22:05
luke-jrMohammadAG_: when did Nokia promise?22:05
luke-jrMohammadAG_: seems to be all the fanboys22:05
MohammadAG_alterego, I know! sex app!22:05
ds3somehow they manage to make a N800 class android device slower then an N800 :/22:05
mikki-kunwho will code that one? :D22:05
MohammadAG_luke-jr, sec22:05
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alteregoNeah.22:06
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MohammadAG_luke-jr, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6627522:06
lcukds3 lol, its easy to bring any device to its knees22:06
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lcukit takes the collective work of many to make a system that runs well.22:07
ds3makes one want to try to ressurect Mer22:07
lcukit never died, it is merely resting22:07
lcukor as w00t_ would say ;) pining for the fjords :P22:07
MohammadAG_this might be over my head, but Qt apps show scrollbars and can use kinetic scrolling at the same time, would editing libhildon work?22:07
MohammadAG_why am I asking, it should work22:08
lcukwould be better in gtk itself22:08
Venemoediting libhildon to do what?22:08
MohammadAG_to show scroll bars22:08
MohammadAG_scrolling through 700 songs is kinda of a pain in the ***22:09
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RST38hMohammad: in theory, yes22:09
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MohammadAG_start any Qt app with -style cleanlooks22:09
RST38hMohammad: Scrollbars were removed from hildon gtk+ on some "ux expert" whim22:09
RST38hnot removed, disabled, I should say22:09
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MohammadAG_you can use a stylus with a scroll bar, and kinetic scrolling at the same time22:09
MohammadAG_so it's just hidden from the UI22:09
* lcuk strongly dislikes not knowing where in a list am upto22:10
Venemolcuk, the scoll bar appears, we just can't interact with it22:10
lcukVenemo, i mean at a glance22:11
lcukwhen actually looking back to device with a list on it22:11
lcukafter the scroll has faded22:11
Venemooh, I agree with that22:11
* lcuk has transparent blue knob22:12
lcukand, yes I have seen a doctor22:12
alteregolcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201247.png22:14
alterego& http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201252.png22:14
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alteregoWell, and anyone else who's interested :D22:15
alteregoThat's the UI for my QML based lirc frontend.22:15
* lcuk nods22:15
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lcuklooking nice22:15
lcukare the colors tints or are they hardcoded into the button glyphs themselves?22:15
alteregoYeah, it's okay.22:15
alteregotints22:16
keriocool22:16
alteregoButton {icon: "rss_reader_move_up"; command: "UP"; color: "#6f1f3f"}22:16
alteregoThat's how you define a button.22:16
timeless_mbpalterego: ooh, shiny22:16
alteregoYou can use icon or label.22:16
timeless_mbpalterego: what's PRV?22:16
alteregoPrevious Channel22:17
alteregoBasically "Back" button.22:17
timeless_mbpalterego: what's the button to the left of 'up'?22:17
RST38hAhhahaha22:17
alteregoMY system menu22:17
timeless_mbphrm22:17
* RST38h laughs satanically 22:17
alteregoRST38h: ?22:17
timeless_mbpi'd probably swap that w/ the mute button22:17
timeless_mbpyou have 4 audio buttons22:17
timeless_mbppresumably one is louder, one is quieter22:17
RST38hStupid games do play sound at last22:17
timeless_mbpone is mute22:17
timeless_mbpwhat's the fourth?22:17
alteregotimeless_mbp: yeah, I'm gonna get some better icons and move things around into more logical layout.22:18
MohammadAG_lcuk, I might have something for you22:18
alteregosound menu22:18
RST38hHad to update Z80 core to the latest changes, the version I had was a bit stale22:18
MohammadAG_give me a minute or so22:18
alteregoMute is oddly position, but the left column otherwise is pretty logical.22:18
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alteregoYou just set "command" to whatever the command is in your lircd.conf file22:19
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DocScrutinizeralterego: what's the advantages of this frontend over (qt)irreco?22:22
alteregoQtIrreco is horrible?22:22
DocScrutinizeruhuh22:22
MohammadAG_it is :P22:22
alteregoWell, my intention is to distribute something that will allow people to write their own QML remote files.22:23
alteregoI just supply a bit of a framework to do it.22:23
DocScrutinizerI never looked into qtirreco, but irreco works just fine for me22:23
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MohammadAG_irreco > qtirreco22:24
alteregoWell, People will also be able to use Qt Designer to build their remote qml files too ..22:24
alteregoBut I'm doing it because I had nothing better to do and I didn't get along with Qt Irreco22:25
alteregoWell, that's not true. It was an itch m'kay?! :P22:25
DocScrutinizerI guess, using your png, it would take significantly less than 1h to define a remote under irreco that looks absolutely identical to what you linked above22:25
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alteregom'hrm22:26
alteregoWith pretty animations?22:27
alteregoAnd stuff?22:27
DocScrutinizerWTF?22:27
DocScrutinizera remote with animations?? o.O22:27
alteregoWell, my buttons glow.22:27
alteregoWhen you press them.22:27
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DocScrutinizermhm, so that's the advantage over irreco then22:28
DocScrutinizerok, if that's worth it22:28
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alteregoWell, I don't know irreco, so I don't know of any advantage.22:28
alteregoAll I'm doing is exposing irsend to QML22:28
MohammadAG_users like to have a choice22:29
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-dhean_diana- download and install http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911761&vnr=27030022:29
dhean_dianadude u want this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar22:29
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alteregoIt might be a nice place for users to get into QML hacking.22:29
MohammadAG_if everyone asked what the advantage was over something else, we'd be stuck with one distro, with one shell, and no UI22:29
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alteregoYou mean windows?22:30
DocScrutinizerI actually more often than not hate to have a choice between too many options when each of them is missing a bit that is implemented in another, just because some guys weren't able to merge their efforts22:30
MohammadAG_alterego, nice way to put it :P22:30
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MohammadAG_spammer was reported in #freenode fyi22:31
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: totally agreed22:34
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: when you say "with that png" you mean, sing my rendered UI as the background image for some remote?22:37
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alteregoWhich is kind of cheating :P22:38
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DocScrutinizerrendered UI, background img??22:41
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alteregoWell, I was just wondering if you meant use my screenshot, that png, as the "skin" for an irreco remote?22:41
DocScrutinizerI just say I need to use the same png skins for widgets that your UI does, as otherwise I have to do weeks of photoshop editing to "copy" them22:42
alteregoWhich would mean, that irreco was just using a cached QML UI still :P22:42
alteregoMy UI doesn't use PNG skins ..22:42
alteregoThose Buttons are actually rendered ..22:42
DocScrutinizeroh! I suppose that's another advantage22:42
markinfoI wanted on my OS2008 update pidgin - but it writes "libhildon-extras1 is missing"  i found this one: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon-extras1/   but I do not know what of this packages should be installed.22:42
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markinfoor there are necessary to activate some additional Packages?22:43
* MohammadAG_ shrugs22:43
markinforepositories.22:43
MohammadAG_I broke libhildon, and everything's closing down (obviously)22:43
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VenemoMohammadAG_: what did you do to poor libhildon?22:45
MohammadAG_made fade out timeout = 022:46
Venemohm22:46
MohammadAG_anything with scrollbars dies22:46
crashanddie"As Arctic blizzards swept across southeast England, stranding hundreds in their cars and bringing motorways to a virtual halt in whiteout conditions, Kent police received a strange call on their emergency number. "I haven't been out to check on him for five hours but I went outside for a fag (cigarette) and he's gone," said the female caller."22:46
crashanddie"When the operator asked who had gone she replied: "My snowman. I thought that with it being icy and there not being anybody about he'd be safe."22:46
MohammadAG_o_O22:47
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VenemoMohammadAG_: honestly, are you surprised? :P22:48
X-Fadecrashanddie: Must have been something other than a cigarette she was smoking :)22:48
crashanddiedon't transfer the ails of your country to the next, X-Fade22:48
MohammadAG_Venemo, no22:49
X-Fadecrashanddie: Hey, it makes for a nice export project. And we tax it ;)22:49
VenemoMohammadAG_: k :P22:49
crashanddieX-Fade: well, taxing and controlling what really is going on are probably the main areas of "bonus" to legalise it, I guess22:50
MohammadAG_I changed MOTION_EVENTS_PER_SECOND from 25 to 60, and the device kinda feel smoother22:50
X-Fadewow, occupational word slipped in there ;) s/project/product/22:50
MohammadAG_or it's that shitty human psychology kicking in22:50
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markinfocan be Meego installed on Nokia n810?22:52
MohammadAG_ask in #MeeGo22:53
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MohammadAG_X-Fade, did you get any replies from the SDK team about the on device SDK image?22:53
Venemomarkinfo: not really, but some things are being done to port it22:53
X-FadeMohammadAG_: Yes, but now I need to talk to legal ;)22:54
MohammadAG_how long do those take to reply, if ever? :P22:55
markinfowhat can be done best with Nokia n810? It seems that some programm are not more updated.22:55
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crashanddiemarkinfo: that's because the device is old and the OS has been abandonned22:55
luke-jrnot really that old22:56
luke-jrwasn't N900 just released in 2009?22:56
markinfobat it has such big display and big keyboard, stylus ....22:56
luke-jroh, N81022:56
luke-jrmarkinfo: but too little RAM, too closed, etc22:56
luke-jrmarkinfo: only Nokia can really update it, and they don't want to22:56
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luke-jrmarkinfo: you could run Gentoo if you like22:57
MohammadAG_lcuk, ping22:57
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MohammadAG_got a package of libhildon which should always show the scrollbar once it's visible :P22:57
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markinfohttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0    "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard ... " it seems great - but will be this reality?22:59
crashanddiemarkinfo: this is #maemo, not #meego22:59
crashanddiemarkinfo: if you have questions directly related to Meego, please ask them in that channel23:00
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MohammadAG_lcuk, also seems to make scrolling smoother, need someone else to confirm that though23:02
Venemomarkinfo: ask on #meego - Stskeeps should know more23:06
VenemoMohammadAG_: gimme gimme23:07
MohammadAG_again, it might be my mind bullshitting me23:07
VenemoMohammadAG_: again, gimme gimme23:08
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MohammadAG_Venemo, this isn't tmo-public yet http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libhildon1_2.2.23-1+0m5_armel.deb23:10
MohammadAG_replacing libhildon might cause global warming23:11
Venemowarming?23:11
Venemodevice exploding?23:11
rsc_hi guys23:11
MohammadAG_works fine for me :)23:12
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rsc_i'm looking for someone that can help me23:12
rsc_:P23:12
DocScrutinizer51grrr23:12
DocScrutinizer5129255 root      2084 D    /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu;    kill -9 29255;    29255 root      2084 D    /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu23:13
DocScrutinizer51and of course dbus-scripting doesn't play sound anymore, on opening kbd slider23:14
* DocScrutinizer51 blames PA23:14
rsc_I want to change the default virtual-keyboard, with an application...23:15
rsc_is it possible?23:15
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DocScrutinizer51I wonder what the bogus :1.13 nu  part is23:16
rsc_ehm...no one can help me? XD23:18
MohammadAG_seems to be a reply from dbus23:18
MohammadAG_or part of it23:18
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG_: yep23:18
DocScrutinizer51kinda bug in ps23:18
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DocScrutinizer51or bug in the process' environment23:19
DocScrutinizer51rsc_: probably not23:19
MohammadAG_FUCKING KERNEL-POWER23:19
MohammadAG_Nokia-N900:~# ls /sys/class/leds/23:19
MohammadAG_twl4030:vibrator23:19
MohammadAG_Nokia-N900:~#23:19
MohammadAG_and it's my device, so it's not a non 2101 issue!23:20
DocScrutinizer51rsc_: afaik vkbd is closed source23:20
rsc_DocScrutinizer: i saw that exists a way to change the virtual one, but i wish to start FastSMS from there23:20
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DocScrutinizer51sure it's not23:21
DocScrutinizer51it's matan's idiotic patch to lp5523.ko23:21
MohammadAG_ooh23:21
MohammadAG_scrolling's acceleration can be increased23:21
MohammadAG_ever since I disassembled my device, death gripping (!111111!!!!1) it increases signal23:22
* MohammadAG_ sends device to Apple for inspection, it should do the opposite23:22
rsc_DocScrutinizer: thank you23:23
DocScrutinizer51sorry I can't help. Keep asking here occasionally, maybe others can give better advice23:23
rsc_perhaps w00t_ can help me23:24
rsc_but he seems to be afk23:24
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DocScrutinizer51~lart messybox and its crippled useless ps23:27
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* infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets messybox and its crippled useless ps feel it23:27
crashanddieouch23:27
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* ShadowJK_ remembers a time before busybox, when small linuxen used an elaborate grep|sed|awk instead of ps23:28
alteregoI've had a better idea ..23:28
alteregoUsers like "apps"23:28
DocScrutinizer51what's the gnu pkg containing proper ps?23:28
MohammadAG_please, no fart apps23:29
ShadowJK_coreutils perhaps23:29
alteregoMaybe I should use my framework to write an XBox media remote control23:29
MohammadAG_gps? :P23:29
ShadowJK_or procps23:29
DocScrutinizer51I doubt that's the  pkg name23:29
DocScrutinizer51gps23:30
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer51: procps is the filename23:31
crashanddiehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fps&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any23:32
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK_: I got coreutils-gnu23:32
DocScrutinizer51no proper ps23:32
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ShadowJK_DocScrutinizer, procps23:35
DocScrutinizer51procps: not found23:36
ShadowJK_:)23:36
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SpeedEvilgps?23:40
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DocScrutinizer51bash: gps: command not found23:42
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Venemogood evening guys :)23:46
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SpeedEvilEvening.23:47
rsc_bye bye all23:48
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lolcatHello23:50
lolcatCan I run bitcoin on my N900?23:50
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crashanddielolcat: doesn't look like it23:51
lolcatWhy not? :(23:51
crashanddiewell, they only provide binaries for x86 and amd6423:52
crashanddiebut you can try to compile it / port it23:53
Ramiequit23:54
Ramieexit23:55
crashanddieRamie: fail23:55
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crashanddielolcat: you really shouldn't be supporting bitcoin23:58
lolcatcrashanddie: Why not?23:58
crashanddiebecause it's a system that is bound to fail at some point23:58
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