| lcuk | Venemo, cool | 00:00 |
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| Venemo | Nokia seemed pretty desperate to get developers to develop for their devices | 00:00 |
| crashanddie_ | Venemo: did you ask them why Nokia seemed like they were looking like the only company in the 21st century (apart from IBM) that seemed like they were drowning in the own abyss of their mismanagement? | 00:01 |
| chx | Yeah. It's frustrating. You have the N900 which is the most awesome hackerphone evah and it's just... unfinished. | 00:01 |
| crashanddie_ | woah, three similes in one sentence. | 00:01 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: well the regional marketing director was there, but I didn't think he could meaninfully answer this question... so I didn't ask | 00:02 |
| lcuk | chx then hack it. | 00:02 |
| Venemo | chx: if it was finished, it wouldn't be a hacker phone, would it? | 00:02 |
| chx | Well | 00:02 |
| crashanddie_ | sure it would | 00:02 |
| lcuk | community ssu is being built so it can be continued | 00:02 |
| chx | there are problems far beyond my abilities to fix | 00:02 |
| chx | like the zooming being per app instead of being part of the ... X server? whatever handles the display | 00:02 |
| crashanddie_ | but enabling people to use it as a real corporate device, with a proper calendar, responsive UI, and email that actually functionned wouldn't have been too much to ask for I reckon | 00:03 |
| chx | same with portrait | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | zooming? | 00:03 |
| Venemo | there was also a prototype E7 and a C7 | 00:03 |
| crashanddie_ | Venemo: how is the E7 looking? | 00:03 |
| * lcuk heads off | 00:03 | |
| lcuk | gnite fellas \o | 00:03 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: later, night | 00:03 |
| Venemo | gnight lcuk :) | 00:03 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: it was very solid | 00:04 |
| chx | lcuk: later, night, you can't zoom in most apps unless the app is built for it , most painful with irc lcients. i might be wrong. | 00:04 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie_: the keyboard snaps out like on the N97, but it feels a lot more stable | 00:04 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: the screen feels big | 00:04 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: the OS is standard Symbian^3, nothing fancy (and I didn't look at it too much) | 00:05 |
| crashanddie_ | apparently the UI is a bit laggy to touch responses | 00:05 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: no, it was fine | 00:05 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie_: afaic | 00:05 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: afaict | 00:05 |
| Venemo | crashanddie_: also, it has a 4-row qwerty which is nice | 00:06 |
| lcuk | chx, zoom? | 00:06 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie_: and multi-touch too | 00:06 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, keyboard seems awesome | 00:06 |
| crashanddie_ | not sure about HDMI-out | 00:07 |
| chx | lcuk: yes, zoom. You know, too small fonts.... | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | chx, ahh cos all apps zoom in from dashboard | 00:07 |
| chx | lcuk: huh? | 00:07 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: are you on weed? | 00:07 |
| Venemo | the keyboard is tilted in the same angle as the N900's small stand tilts the N900's screen | 00:07 |
| lcuk | no crashanddie_ | 00:07 |
| chx | ah yes but you cant zoom in once in the app | 00:07 |
| lcuk | chx understood now | 00:07 |
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| chx | the E7 is *Symbian* | 00:08 |
| lcuk | you mean like browser/image zooming | 00:08 |
| * lcuk understands now | 00:08 | |
| chx | it's dead before it's born | 00:08 |
| chx | come on, bury the dead horse, bring on Meego. | 00:08 |
| crashanddie_ | chx: not really, it might be nice for business | 00:08 |
| crashanddie_ | chx: I'm still a hardcore blackberry user for business, but Nokia e-series have always appealed to me | 00:08 |
| Venemo | chx, I don't think so. Symbian is great for a certain target audience. also note that MeeGo is nowhere near ready yet | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | chx, some of us are already in meego :) | 00:09 |
| chx | and? Nokia has a proven track record of releasing unready !#@$# devices | 00:09 |
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| chx | Also note that I have a Nokia E70 and an E51 | 00:09 |
| Venemo | lcuk, do you mean the netbook version? | 00:10 |
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| chx | [14:09] <lcuk> you mean like browser/image zooming <= i mean like that yeah but TEXT is more important than images. It's ... braindead. why is that not a feature of the display? | 00:10 |
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| chx | Also, if Nokia had brains which it clearly does not then it would not have abandoned the E70-like devies | 00:11 |
| lcuk | chx i never noticed a problem with the ui needing it | 00:11 |
| chx | lcuk: no? hm, and how do you irc on it? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | but for books and editing, sure - but those seem to have fnt adjust | 00:11 |
| lcuk | chx xchat has a font size option.. | 00:11 |
| Venemo | oh, and almost forgot, there also was a QML demo, which was pretty nice | 00:12 |
| chx | I am getting to the point where I want to sit down and write a goddamn IRC client :( | 00:12 |
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| * SpeedEvil finds xchat OK. | 00:12 | |
| Venemo | chx, which one do you use currently? | 00:12 |
| nomis | chx: writing an IRC client is a rite of passage. | 00:13 |
| lcuk | chx, been there, done that :P http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png | 00:13 |
| * lcuk was going anyway | 00:13 | |
| nomis | chx: (the milder form is writing an IRC bot) | 00:13 |
| chx | lcuk: looks pretty where is it? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | chx, very unstable old stuff (note the datestamp) i think its on my git repo | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 00:15 |
| javispedro | chx: write a java vm instead. | 00:16 |
| Venemo | chx: I found Communi a rather usable IRC client for Maemo. it is a bit unfinished (it's in -devel), but it is easier to use than XChat | 00:17 |
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| chx | Communi? | 00:22 |
| chx | what's that? | 00:22 |
| Venemo | an IRC client | 00:23 |
| chx | i thought so | 00:23 |
| chx | http://maemo.org/packages/view/communi/ interesting! | 00:23 |
| BCMM | does it do kinetic scroll? | 00:23 |
| chx | no fancy++ | 00:23 |
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| BCMM | no fancy++ | 00:23 |
| BCMM | indeed | 00:23 |
| Venemo | BCMM: yes | 00:24 |
| chx | is it normal that the battery barely stays alive for a day? | 00:24 |
| BCMM | chx: depends on what you were doing | 00:24 |
| Venemo | chx, mine does too | 00:24 |
| toresbe | yeah, in active use. | 00:24 |
| javispedro | with x-chat on, possibly. | 00:24 |
| toresbe | I just use SSH, screen and irssi. Killer combo. | 00:24 |
| BCMM | i will have a look; last time i looked there was just irssi and xchat | 00:24 |
| Venemo | BCMM: the ui has a few small glitches, but overall it is usable IMO | 00:24 |
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| BCMM | thing about "nothing fancy", is that one wants no fancy features except what you use | 00:25 |
| BCMM | for example, i'm thinking it's nice that it's lightweight, but i hope it supports server passwords | 00:25 |
| Venemo | BCMM: it does yes | 00:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | xchat on logged into wifi lasts ~40h for me | 00:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | 12h on 2g, and 6 on 3 | 00:26 |
| HanttaW | Hi people. Is this right place for some questions about maemo/linux memory usage. Especially hildon-home/desktop services. | 00:28 |
| Venemo | HanttaW: ask, and the guys here'll try to answer :) | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | First get that | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | RSS is a lie | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (the python script works just fine) | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (on the device) | 00:29 |
| HanttaW | Nice :) Okey here is current situation from htop: http://pastebin.com/2ygxmFdp sorted by virtual column...and doesn´t look good :| | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | virt is almost completely irrelevant | 00:30 |
| HanttaW | hmmm | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | you have 2G (? or is it 4) of virt address space | 00:31 |
| BCMM | if it goes flat fast on wifi, your router sucks | 00:31 |
| HanttaW | I have noticed that it keeps growing and growing. Pretty soon my device starts lag little. First app from where I notice it is camera..it just starts stalling. | 00:31 |
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| BCMM | see if it can be configured to suck less, with respect to power-saving | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://troydhanson.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/virtual-memory-in-a-nutshell/ looks useful | 00:32 |
| HanttaW | And I have stuff installed from devel & testing so in a way this is something that I´m expecting =) But trying to understand and learn. | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | HanttaW: yes - you're probably more caring about PSS and USS | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | HanttaW: though some things can use CPU too, and make stuff slug | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: 3G | 00:34 |
| javispedro | er.. | 00:34 |
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| HanttaW | Dear god how many different memory there is. My head feels dizzy. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | 3 GiB of user address space | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | HanttaW: yes. It's annoyingly complex. | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | HanttaW: And you ideally need to understand it if you're trying to work out why it's slugging | 00:35 |
| toresbe | It's fun to carry on a conversation at work, then continue it on the subway home, and then keep it going in the elevator going into the apartment... | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | you could do that with the mobile phone too. | 00:35 |
| toresbe | Well, not on IRC. | 00:35 |
| toresbe | ssh/screen/irssi is love. :) | 00:36 |
| HanttaW | SpeedEvil: Yep. I know. On windows I have just used processexplorer to hunt down memory leaks and it is pretty easy. | 00:36 |
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| javispedro | Well, Windows has the same "memory types" so the question is "what does process explorer show?" | 00:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | rss growth is not meaningless generally | 00:36 |
| Venemo | good night guys, I'm leaving | 00:37 |
| Venemo | have fun | 00:37 |
| javispedro | gnite Venemo | 00:37 |
| Venemo | :) | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | if a process is growing, and other processes are not, then that's a good inidcation that a closer look at it may be warranted. | 00:37 |
| BCMM_ | hmm, this client seems to have no keyboard tabbing or fullscreen | 00:38 |
| HanttaW | SpeedEvil: Currently only thing what I have noticed that is growing is virtual size of those top processes but I need more data. | 00:38 |
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| BCMM_ | nor a way to copy and paste | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | virtual size is just virtual | 00:40 |
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| BCMM_ | is that thing the browser uses to enable the cursor available to other applications? | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | and you don't have to worry about it too much | 00:40 |
| HanttaW | btw. How I can set my putty session to N900 send keepalives. Currently it´s disconnecting after certain amount of idle. | 00:40 |
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| chem|st | re | 00:40 |
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| jacekowski | HanttaW: it's server thing | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | HanttaW: to send "pings" every so often | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | HanttaW: you would have to rebuild openssh for n900 to support it | 00:41 |
| HanttaW | sigh | 00:41 |
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| HanttaW | I probably just need more memory debug data, but virtual size increasing is just result of something other part of memory growing. | 00:43 |
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| jacekowski | it may mean that you are running something like that | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# pastebinit test.c | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/MvFzXdLk | 00:47 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: surely you can do that in teh ssh config file? | 00:48 |
| chx | Communi is awesome. | 00:50 |
| chx | now, i will need to line my backpack with a battery :) | 00:51 |
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| jacekowski | BCMM: no if it's not compiled in | 00:52 |
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| jacekowski | BCMM: and last time i checked it's not compiled in in any distro | 00:53 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: are we talking about adding "KeepAlive yes" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or something else? | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | but that's just going to fail i | 00:56 |
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| jacekowski | and there is one more thing | 00:56 |
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| HanttaW | So it seems that I´m going to need http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-smaps-measure and time to read & learn some memory usage stuff. | 01:07 |
| HanttaW | one more question and then I´m off to bed. Any neat dpkg commands that lists only installed packages that are dependend on python. | 01:09 |
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| ShadowJK | jacekowski, putty itself can send keepalives too | 01:10 |
| * ShadowJK vaguely remembers it in options somewhere | 01:11 | |
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| chem|st | HanttaW: that should be listed within python | 01:12 |
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| ShadowJK | HanttaW, btw I'd start with disabling every widget and similar things on desktop, basically empty start.. reboot for clean start, not vsz, use it for awhile, note vsz. Add a single widget, reboot for clean start, note vsz, use it for awhile, note vsz.. | 01:12 |
| fladnag | TRACKERD SUCKS | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | apt-cache rdepends python | 01:13 |
| HanttaW | I´m just reading some bug reports and looks like that at least "Eero Tamminen" is somewhat recommending to keep away from apps that are dependend on python and are constantly running. | 01:13 |
| fladnag | !!! | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | but that lists everything, also stuff not installed :/ | 01:14 |
| HanttaW | Currently I have home calendar widget and media player widget and two desktops with just app shortcuts and bookmarks. | 01:14 |
| HanttaW | I think it was this bug report: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8723 | 01:15 |
| povbot | Bug 8723: Items in hildon-home can be non-responsive for several minutes | 01:15 |
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| ShadowJK | I noticed less memory use after removing the python based sleeper widget, and that was the only python widget I had iirc.. | 01:16 |
| nomis | chem|st: I hacked a small tool to dump them: These are the shutdown codes from the open source tvbgone-kit in human readable form: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone-codes.txt | 01:16 |
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| nomis | chem|st: (untested, but look somewhat plausible) | 01:17 |
| fladnag | JEAH i had some baad "longtime"systemhangs too | 01:17 |
| HanttaW | Okey. I need to go bed, but thanks for all the tips. I´m trying to find out some time to dig deeper on this. | 01:17 |
| fladnag | (n900) | 01:17 |
| fladnag | ... | 01:17 |
| HanttaW | Good night | 01:18 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: I kinda remember some weird interactions with long running python applications wasting memory, not due to any leak but the way the python GC works | 01:23 |
| javispedro | basically for the same reason most java applications eventually fill up to -Xmx size | 01:24 |
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| jacekowski | in normal languages world it's called memory leak | 01:29 |
| ds3 | isn't it call garbage collection incompetance in java? ;) | 01:30 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: not exactly | 01:31 |
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| BugBlue | if java had true garbage collection it would delete itself | 01:33 |
| pupnik | hahah | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: hey ever use this? enum omapfb_color_format { OMAPFB_COLOR_CLUT_8BPP | 01:38 |
| javispedro | nope | 01:38 |
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| pupnik | could speed up dosbox | 01:39 |
| pupnik | you know, vga being 8-bit with a clut | 01:39 |
| pupnik | could speed it up a lot, couldn't it | 01:40 |
| javispedro | not sure | 01:40 |
| javispedro | because I don't know what that is doing | 01:40 |
| javispedro | (behind the scenes) | 01:40 |
| pupnik | i think it works like this | 01:41 |
| pupnik | VGA(8-bit)->24bitRGB->16bitFramebuffer | 01:41 |
| pupnik | that would be replaced with | 01:41 |
| pupnik | VGA(8-bit)->display | 01:41 |
| javispedro | hmm | 01:43 |
| javispedro | you can trigger that by setting 8 bpp in the ioctl device | 01:43 |
| javispedro | err | 01:43 |
| javispedro | s/ioctl/fbdev | 01:43 |
| nox- | i guess the q is does the display hw support that mode... | 01:44 |
| javispedro | I do not think the display has | 01:44 |
| pupnik | ahh | 01:44 |
| javispedro | because you're not altering the output format, rather one of the plane's format | 01:44 |
| pupnik | if the lcd controller doesn't support it, then there's no point | 01:45 |
| pupnik | i wonder if X11 even supports 8-bit anymore | 01:45 |
| javispedro | it doe | 01:45 |
| javispedro | s | 01:45 |
| javispedro | I think there's a large chance the controller supports it | 01:46 |
| nox- | i had to test that some time ago trying out some apple //e emulator... | 01:46 |
| nox- | (not on n900 tho :) | 01:46 |
| javispedro | nox-: on stock n900 there's a compositor, and the compositor will try to send whatever you have to opengl | 01:46 |
| pupnik | xdpyinfo lists 8-bit as depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 | 01:46 |
| pupnik | on my notebook | 01:47 |
| javispedro | nox-: and ofc it will usually do the wrong thing regarding palettes | 01:47 |
| pupnik | yea | 01:47 |
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| nox- | ok | 01:47 |
| pupnik | i want to directly map dosbox vga memory to the framebuffer | 01:47 |
| javispedro | pupnik: it's an interesing test. | 01:47 |
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| javispedro | actually I've done something like that recently.. but true color... | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | also: x11 paletted full screen application? | 01:56 |
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| fladnag | Sorry but what doyouthink how many of the 420 people inthis room have a n900 ? | 01:58 |
| Gh0sty | most have 2? :p | 01:59 |
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| fladnag | Okey :) | 01:59 |
| Gh0sty | (just a guess I dunno) | 02:00 |
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| Gh0sty | dammit | 02:05 |
| Gh0sty | I am using nuevasync for syncing google calendar with my n900 | 02:05 |
| BCMM | fladnag: everyone here who has two different permutations of their nick | 02:05 |
| Gh0sty | but just received a mail that nuevasync is suspending their free service soon and you gotta pay now :( | 02:06 |
| BCMM | online at once | 02:06 |
| BCMM | plus a bit | 02:06 |
| BCMM | times several | 02:06 |
| BCMM | -2 | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Phrack-is-back-25-Jahre-digitales-Hackermagazin-1138586.html Phrack is Back :) | 02:06 |
| Gh0sty | any alternatives or hopes for a fix of google calendar sync directly on the n900? | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: \o/ | 02:26 |
| pupnik | lol :) | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | someone in eastern europe has to please send me cheese like this | 02:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.krashiy.com/images/expo2006/assets2/mid_photos/3664.JPG | 02:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.krashiy.com/images/expo2006/assets2/mid_photos/6829.jpg | 02:27 |
| toresbe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jpr3oe96JU is the type of Eastern European cheese with which I am most familiar | 02:27 |
| Gh0sty | what kinda cheese is that :/ | 02:27 |
| pupnik | Korbáciky | 02:28 |
| pupnik | in usa 'string cheese' is the industrial variant | 02:28 |
| Gh0sty | sounds horrible :p | 02:29 |
| pupnik | there's one family that makes an excellent variety in wisconsin | 02:29 |
| Gh0sty | by the name alone :p | 02:29 |
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| Gh0sty | but then again i'm used to french/belgian cheeses | 02:29 |
| pupnik | which camembert can you reccomend | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BACON | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | we got here camembert president | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop talking food, I'm hungry! | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | ;p | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | for you it's around ... noon? | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | is there a proper way to sync google calendar with n900? or is paying for nuevasync my best shot? :/ | 02:34 |
| toresbe | 1:30 AM here | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | same here :p | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | oh pupnik toresbe seems to be french :p | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | you better ask him about the cheeses of france :P | 02:35 |
| toresbe | How DARE you! | 02:35 |
| Gh0sty | or at least thats what you whois says? :/ | 02:35 |
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| toresbe | My server is in France, but despite that fact it seems to work. | 02:35 |
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| Gh0sty | lol | 02:35 |
| Gh0sty | you're from where then? | 02:36 |
| Gh0sty | belgium? | 02:36 |
| toresbe | Ik ben noors! | 02:36 |
| Gh0sty | probably just around my corner or something :p | 02:36 |
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| Gh0sty | as usual ... you go miles far only to hear a fellow belgian do a talk :p | 02:36 |
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| toresbe | Ik heb tien maanden in Vlanderen gewoont, mar mijn vlaams is helaas erg roestig. | 02:37 |
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| Gh0sty | oh you're alright | 02:38 |
| Gh0sty | half of the country should speak it like you it wouldn't be a political crysis :p | 02:38 |
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| toresbe | haha. | 02:38 |
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| Gh0sty | hmm norway ... still somewhere on the top of my list of places to visit | 02:39 |
| toresbe | Gh0sty: At the annual democratic socialist party youth org congress in Oslo, we actually had a representative from Animo present | 02:39 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 02:39 |
| toresbe | he held a nice speech and all was wonderful... then as he left the podium, our meeting leader thanked him with "merci beaucoup" | 02:40 |
| toresbe | my head hit the table so hard I'm surprised it didn't break in two | 02:40 |
| toresbe | the head or the table, either one | 02:40 |
| Gh0sty | nothing new there ... | 02:40 |
| Gh0sty | from time to time also send unfriendly mails to HR in the company who thinks we're all french | 02:41 |
| toresbe | I mean, this guy is in a party which SPLIT OVER THE LANGUAGE ISSUE and you're talking to him in French. Class act. | 02:41 |
| toresbe | A pretty humongous.. ehm, faux pas, as it were. :) | 02:41 |
| Gh0sty | :p | 02:42 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: who do I need to donate 15 eur to get google calendar sync to work properly? :p | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | google, every day :-P | 02:45 |
| Gh0sty | :( | 02:45 |
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| Gh0sty | why is it not working ... read lenghty discussions about it but never found a real answer | 02:46 |
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| Gh0sty | they blame google or something ... | 02:46 |
| Gh0sty | but it works on my good ol symbian e65 | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea. I'm not using google, whenever avoidable | 02:49 |
| chem|st | missing webcal support... | 02:49 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 2nd | 02:49 |
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| Gh0sty | what do you use then for calendar? | 02:57 |
| Gh0sty | its been a long time I had a look at that in fact | 02:57 |
| Gh0sty | in the end I did not really find anything useable and went onto google cal :/ | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | ok the mecca for string cheese is about 1000km away from me | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | That is a long string. | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | lol | 03:09 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: Slovakia and Poland are fighting for political recognition as the 'genuine salty cheese' country | 03:09 |
| javispedro | lol | 03:09 |
| javispedro | "Windows Setup couldn't find the End User License Agreement (EULA). This is a fatal error. You cannot continue with setup. Press F3 to quit." | 03:10 |
| nox- | rofl | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | "Zázrivá - The fight for recognition of salty cheese from raw Zazriva as our product is not yet lost to Slovakia!" | 03:14 |
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| BCMM | pupnik: is that the result for machine translation? | 03:21 |
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| BCMM | because "salty cheese" makes me think of feta | 03:21 |
| pupnik | http://www.zazrivskykorbacik.sk/vyrobky.php << a cheese farm in slovakia (check that beautiful landscape) | 03:24 |
| pupnik | yes | 03:24 |
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| pupnik | they make it too salty for my taste | 03:25 |
| pupnik | but otherwise it's kickbutt | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | how do I rotate web? | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ctrl-.... | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | or what | 03:28 |
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| pupnik | o? | 03:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | should this work in the browser? | 03:32 |
| javispedro | the browser now has an option in preferences | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | oh. | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | this is 1.2 | 03:33 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:33 |
| javispedro | it's there from 1.1 iirc | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:33 |
| javispedro | of course the only thing it does is either "follow accelerometer" or "always landscape" | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah right | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | keyboard open was defeating | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | thnks | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | a | 03:35 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:45 |
| javispedro | morning Termana | 03:46 |
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| ieatlint | grr.... malloc is giving me a sigabrt from a failed assert() when i call a jpeglib function (ie, not my code calling malloc())... and when i try to debug it using valgrind, the problem disappears | 05:23 |
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| ds3 | distribute your program with valgrind? :D | 05:26 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/Dosbox_0_65__001_N770__ultimaV.jpg the good old days.. | 05:27 |
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| ieatlint | ds3: hmm, that might work | 05:31 |
| ds3 | I miss buttons | 05:31 |
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| ieatlint | i think i'm just not doing error handling for libjpeg correctly, heh | 05:32 |
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| pupnik_ | http://vault.digitalmzx.net/show.php?id=182 | 05:58 |
| pupnik_ | these could run on maemo | 05:58 |
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| ieatlint | "imgData.h:19: multiple definition of `my_error_exit'" "imgData.h:19: first defined here" ... sometimes c annoys me | 06:12 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLLEc-Xh068 [ Pied Pipers - "Dream" 1951 ] <<< great great song (from bioshock2 trailer) | 07:04 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone knows autotools? what is supposed to create m4 directory? | 08:15 |
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| RST38h | Moo, ladies and gentlemen | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | ohai | 08:24 |
| RST38h | slono: never seen m4 dir created when "using" autotools | 08:27 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h: okay, why aclocal wants it to exist? | 08:28 |
| RST38h | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_%28computer_language%29 | 08:30 |
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| pupnik_ | crap, germany had the colddddesttest dec 2 in recorded history | 08:31 |
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| Proteous | bah | 08:36 |
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| Proteous | after hours messing with tversity settings I find out it's the n900 wifi power settings that are causing my video to go into buffering fits | 08:37 |
| Proteous | well, at least I solved it | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahaha, the guy who broke htop package committed a fix =) | 08:40 |
| RST38h | Should probably do the same trick for MidnightCommander when run from desktop | 08:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh? htop broken? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | mc? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wel, mc is a bit odd sometimes - yes. | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp subshell handling seems borked. Anyway RST38h what exactly are you talking about? | 08:44 |
| RST38h | with htop,the author uses a little terminal emulator package(rather than xterm) when run in desktop mode | 08:44 |
| RST38h | this eliminates the virtual keyboard jumping out at you at every opportunity | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh | 08:45 |
| RST38h | same should be done for mc IMHO | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | never noticed | 08:45 |
| RST38h | subshell stuff never worked properly in mc, forget it | 08:45 |
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| mece | Woo! Killer thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66470 :D:D:D | 09:30 |
| Jay_BEE | how did I know... | 09:32 |
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| chx | mece: how was that old quote? The problem is not that God's zoo is big but that the fence is so low. I hope my translation worked :) | 09:46 |
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| mece | chx, I have no idea :D But it sounds profane :) | 09:51 |
| chx | mece: it's a subtle way of saying the original poster is an escapee from a lunatic asylum | 09:52 |
| mece | hahaha | 09:52 |
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| mece | well, since there are apps like that for other platforms, and they, afaik are very popular, I wouldn't say he/she/it is crazy at all. Seems maemites are rather prude though. | 09:55 |
| kerio | mece: nokia sold like 5 n900s | 09:56 |
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| mece | kerio, beside the point. | 09:56 |
| mece | kerio, as I said in my post, you have to use an existing service | 09:56 |
| mece | wait, did I say that in my post | 09:57 |
| mece | ? | 09:57 |
| mece | hm | 09:57 |
| mece | ooh well. | 09:57 |
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| MohammadAG | LMFAO @ sex app request | 10:14 |
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| toggles | lol, guineas | 10:36 |
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| phellarv | Sex App request - That thread is epic. | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | I'll develop it, only if kiddie porn is allowed. | 10:46 |
| Corsac | what about ponies? | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, they finally closed down wikileaks.org | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LMAO @ not checking what's already there, plus no brain for thinking about how such a *service* has to work to fly. There's NO app for that on maemo/meego, and never will. The app's name is browser | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 11:08 |
| kerio | RST38h: wat | 11:09 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, porn websites | 11:09 |
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| chx | RST38h: http://46.59.1.2 looks quite up to me. | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you're sure it's not just homeland security idiots poisoning US DNS infra? | 11:09 |
| chx | RST38h: i BET within a day there will be another "freedom fighter" who will support these... people. | 11:10 |
| chx | I am a journalist or was like ten years ago and i am very torn over what wikileaks is doing | 11:10 |
| Corsac | see http://wikileaks.info/ | 11:11 |
| kerio | chx: i can only say "U JELLY" | 11:11 |
| chx | i am not jealous why would i be? | 11:11 |
| MohammadAG | what is wikileaks? | 11:11 |
| mece | MohammadAG, popular porn site | 11:12 |
| MohammadAG | uhuh | 11:12 |
| chx | I have grown up in a country behind the iron courtain so i kind of have some idea what it is to live in a police state | 11:12 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: a bunch of epic trolls releasing top secret documents for teh lulz | 11:12 |
| chx | and unedited dump of all these cables probably put a few people lives in real danger | 11:12 |
| MohammadAG | cool | 11:12 |
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| mece | chx, meh | 11:12 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 11:13 |
| kerio | chx: the war logs *were* edited | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | chx: ack | 11:13 |
| kerio | wrt cablegate... meh | 11:13 |
| MohammadAG | where do I leak stuff? i have an N9... oops | 11:13 |
| frals | hmmmm download stats not been updated since 30th of november | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | chx: aiui those wren't dumped yet completely | 11:13 |
| frals | and im 12k from a million downloads! | 11:13 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: is it made of rainbows? | 11:13 |
| chx | frals: a million dls of what? | 11:14 |
| mece | chx, fmms | 11:14 |
| MohammadAG | trouts | 11:14 |
| mece | that too | 11:14 |
| frals | makesex | 11:14 |
| mece | makesex!!!! | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~trout frals | 11:14 |
| kerio | frals: Makefile not found. | 11:14 |
| * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! | 11:14 | |
| mece | man that should be the name of the app | 11:14 |
| MohammadAG | makesexnotwar | 11:15 |
| RST38h | fsck fsck fsck | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | please use -F option | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, make that -a, to automatically fix using fsck | 11:17 |
| chx | fMMS? | 11:17 |
| chx | you mean... people still send MMS?????? | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 11:18 |
| chx | wow | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | some do, somewhere | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here in Germany though | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | same epic fail like WAP | 11:19 |
| kerio | frals is convinced they do | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and PTT | 11:19 |
| kerio | i've *never* seen someone send a mms | 11:19 |
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| frals | me and whoever has been involved in the 1million downloads, i guess | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I one time in my life sent a MMS for birthday greetings. Bro this guy was pissed, bitching at me I messed up his phone | 11:21 |
| mece | I've sent a lot of mms' | 11:21 |
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| chem|st | kerio: I received about 4-6 since implementation of the service... and sent one... | 11:21 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hahah what | 11:22 |
| chem|st | frals: I downloaded it as a friend wanted to send me a picture of herself so I did say "hold on a minute" | 11:22 |
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| RST38h | MMS...meh | 11:23 |
| cibirto33 | hello! | 11:23 |
| chem|st | cibirto33: hi | 11:23 |
| * RST38h expresses hope that most of the people who came up with MMS-related standards are now jobless | 11:23 | |
| kerio | chem|st: pics or it didn't happen | 11:24 |
| kerio | particularly that pic | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically MMS is as useless as GSM video calls, or a N900 find-sex app. You never find any peer with a properly equipped device | 11:24 |
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| chem|st | push to talk would be so useful but got never implemented in europe, and you know US people over here by seeing them talking on the von as they hold it like a walkietalkie and entertain there surrounding with rubish drunken talk | 11:25 |
| kerio | n900s are devices to play with yourself | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: wrong formfactor | 11:25 |
| kerio | we *have* a push to talk protocol that's easy to use | 11:25 |
| kerio | it's called ham radio | 11:25 |
| chem|st | kerio: it was a picture of her in her car, she wanted me to comment on her new haircut | 11:26 |
| cibirto33 | is it possible to completely remove skype from the N900? | 11:26 |
| mece | kerio, now I'm hungry. want a ham sandwich. | 11:26 |
| chem|st | cibirto33: yes but whats the matter with it? | 11:26 |
| mece | cibirto33, you can remove the plugin | 11:27 |
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| mece | osso-accounts-plugin-skype | 11:27 |
| cibirto33 | mece: ok thanks :) | 11:27 |
| chem|st | cibirto33: still interessted in what the matter is! | 11:27 |
| mece | and maybe rtcom-abook-skype-plugin | 11:27 |
| cibirto33 | chem|st: try to strip down the whole stuff | 11:27 |
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| chem|st | cibirto33: strip down for what? | 11:28 |
| mece | cibirto33, actually just do dpkg -l *skype* and remove all those :D | 11:28 |
| cibirto33 | mece: thanks | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting with nuking skype is a reasonable thought, for sure | 11:28 |
| mece | cibirto33, I haven't tried this though. fyi. | 11:28 |
| cibirto33 | chem|st: I want to have only some trusted apps on the device... | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 11:29 |
| chem|st | cibirto33: k, what do you mean by trusted | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype definitely is category "proven non-trustworthy" | 11:29 |
| cibirto33 | chem|st: apps that I can control :) | 11:30 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: so is everything but jabber | 11:30 |
| kerio | cibirto33: good luck using your n900 without bme or firmwares | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: whatever it means, skype doesn't match | 11:30 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: true | 11:30 |
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| chem|st | kerio: good point | 11:30 |
| mece | cibirto33, run meego! fully open source :) | 11:30 |
| kerio | although a N900 with no bme is better, imo | 11:31 |
| cibirto33 | kerio: right... but well, if you can control every data channel that's enough for me | 11:31 |
| kerio | mece: i thought the handset UX was proprietary | 11:31 |
| cibirto33 | mece: this is in my 'to try list' | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | who gives a f* for bme :-P | 11:31 |
| mece | kerio, no | 11:31 |
| kerio | cool | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme is so ... obsolete X-P | 11:31 |
| kerio | then why can't i apt-get install meego-handset yet? | 11:31 |
| Gh0sty | is meego on n900 now usable | 11:32 |
| Corsac | no | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 11:32 |
| Gh0sty | like can I make calls, send sms, and do some stuff? | 11:32 |
| Gh0sty | or is it just a developer toy | 11:32 |
| mece | Gh0sty, yes you can.. somewhat. But it's just for developers, and not really a toy, since it's not really fun. | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 11:33 |
| Gh0sty | hehe | 11:33 |
| Gh0sty | why isnt it fun? :p | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably depends on your definition of fun | 11:34 |
| mece | kerio, (11:31:58 AM) mece: Stskeeps, is everything open source in meego handset? | 11:34 |
| mece | (11:32:00 AM) mece: arm | 11:34 |
| mece | (11:33:12 AM) Stskeeps: well, if we tell apart the meego part and the hardware adaptation, then yes | 11:34 |
| mece | (11:33:26 AM) Stskeeps: yes, some of the artwork is restricted if you're not meego compliant though -- same with other distros | 11:34 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: so nope no fun not usable just for testing | 11:34 |
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| mece | Gh0sty, well mostly it's kinda slow | 11:34 |
| chem|st | mece: there was a suggestion to get the non-free out of meego artwork asap | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: don't ask how many nice suggestions regarding meego went unnoticed | 11:35 |
| Gh0sty | and probably more battery hungry ? | 11:35 |
| Gh0sty | or is that still ok ? | 11:35 |
| mece | Gh0sty, it's a pocketwarmer | 11:36 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: no charging with the 1.1 kernel and what mece said | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: it will take a looong time til usability of meego will be someway near maemo | 11:36 |
| Gh0sty | but is progress on maemo still going on? | 11:37 |
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| mece | that said, it's very simple to try out if you have an sd card, so go ahead, see for yourself. | 11:37 |
| Gh0sty | I kinda start to like maemo in its current form ... except for the phone screen | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | again depends on your definition of progress | 11:37 |
| Gh0sty | hate it that you cannot look at an sms directly from the phone screen | 11:37 |
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| Gh0sty | thats my only real annoyance ... | 11:37 |
| mece | Gh0sty, ?? | 11:38 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: I installed it, ran it till I was out of battery... back to maemo... same with nitdroid... (and that damn ba5tard is like calling *.google.* all day long) | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: annoyance is the closed source state of dialer, contacts, calendar, et al | 11:38 |
| mece | Gh0sty, well you can see the sms in the.. wtf is it called the screen where you see the running apps?? | 11:38 |
| Gh0sty | yes and that calendar sync i was mentioning yesterday | 11:38 |
| Gh0sty | really thinking to just drop my money to nuevasync | 11:39 |
| Gh0sty | since its the only way to get my google calendar to sync :/ | 11:39 |
| Gh0sty | which is too bad | 11:39 |
| mece | what's nuevasync? | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: taskswitcher | 11:39 |
| Corsac | I currently use syncevolution with evolution on my laptop, but I still have duplicates stuff way to often | 11:39 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: tell me one phone not being one or two taps clicks away from new sms, and there is the conversation widget showing msgs on your home screen | 11:39 |
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| Gh0sty | chem|st: my E65 had a quick link on my homescreen to calendar and sms | 11:40 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: so I have on n900 o_O | 11:40 |
| Gh0sty | on n900 its *leave phone screen* -> click calendar or sms ... | 11:40 |
| Corsac | and you don't manage to do that with maemo? | 11:40 |
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| Gh0sty | on the phone screen you cant make links | 11:41 |
| mece | Gh0sty, just put it on your desktop! | 11:41 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: why the hell would be phonescreen my base view? | 11:41 |
| mece | Gh0sty, what are you on about? | 11:41 |
| mece | ooh | 11:41 |
| mece | are we talking about the phone dialer app? | 11:41 |
| Gh0sty | yes i guess | 11:41 |
| mece | I never use that | 11:41 |
| Gh0sty | not sure if thats the name for that screen | 11:41 |
| Gh0sty | you dont make calls? :p | 11:42 |
| mece | well ok if I make a call to an unknown number, which is like once a week. | 11:42 |
| Gh0sty | btw how much guys actually lock their n900 here with a code | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 11:43 |
| Gh0sty | typing the code to unlock with 1 hand without a portrait view is terrible | 11:43 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: it is not a screen it is an application-frontend to the phone and I do not know any phone of mine I could go directly to sms while on a call or even while dialing, or do you mean use number to send new sms? | 11:43 |
| Gh0sty | how much times i mistyped ... :p | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: ack | 11:44 |
| mece | well you CAN send sms from the receive call screen :) | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | chem|st: for example yesterday I got a call from a customer and wanted to forward that number via sms to a colleague | 11:44 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: needs a bit of practice but I manage to controle the phone one handed even with kbd-slide open | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | I did not find a better way then to save the number to a new contact | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | go to the new contact | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | edit the contact | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | copy the number | 11:44 |
| Gh0sty | paste it in new sms | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: you mean call history? | 11:45 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, no. | 11:45 |
| Gh0sty | which is -admitted- not a daily practice | 11:45 |
| mece | Gh0sty, well, you don't have to add contact. Just do this: | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: that for sure sounds clumsy and there's a better way to do that | 11:46 |
| Gh0sty | well enlighten me then :p | 11:46 |
| Gh0sty | it was the first thing I could figure out :p | 11:46 |
| mece | click-hold on number -> new contact -> select and copy number -> click outside new contact dialogue. | 11:46 |
| mece | Gh0sty, ok it's 3 steps but still pretty quick. a "copy number" in the long press menu would be nicer, I agree. | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I don't get what exactly you want to do | 11:47 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: copy number from recent calls to sms | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | recent calls? that IS call history, no? | 11:48 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: that is about the same what I needed to do on any other phone | 11:48 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes | 11:48 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, yes | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | call history -> click on number -> click on "send text message" -> done | 11:48 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, that sends a text TO that number, he wanted to send the number AS a text. To someone else. | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 11:49 |
| Gh0sty | chem|st: in the new contact you still need to use ctrl-c because there copy option is not present on the touchscreen (even with long press) | 11:49 |
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| Gh0sty | but ok I could have skipped the step of saving the contact | 11:50 |
| Gh0sty | but there ought to be better ways | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, dialogs viewer needs a text edit where you can mark and copy text | 11:50 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: fo fsck sake use both hands | 11:50 |
| mece | Gh0sty, ok heh, well I can see that it's not very comfy, and pretty much impossible with just one hand. | 11:50 |
| Gh0sty | on the long click menu they should have made the option like "send this number" | 11:50 |
| chem|st | mece: btw how do I add recipients to an active conversation | 11:50 |
| Gh0sty | but what is it | 11:51 |
| Gh0sty | actually the whole phone screen (or dialer app as you call it) is closed? | 11:51 |
| Gh0sty | so its impossible for everyone except a nokia dev to change any of it? | 11:51 |
| chem|st | kind of yes | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, in contacts there should be an option "send as vcard SMS" | 11:52 |
| Gh0sty | yes but then you already need the contact saved :p | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not existent for unknown numbers in call history | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | which makes kinda sense | 11:53 |
| Gh0sty | and vcards is something "simple" phones dont understand | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, it's a plain text format | 11:53 |
| Gh0sty | not that there are much people out there that I know which have an old brick phone | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: sms vcards are some kind of standardized | 11:54 |
| Gh0sty | in the past at least I had some people complain when i sent vcard they got garbeled text | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: and phone which arent able to save it directly show is as normal sms | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: garbled... those people arent used to chars lik {[]}<> | 11:55 |
| Gh0sty | oh and about nuevasync: | 11:55 |
| Gh0sty | I use google calendar and to sync that with n900 calendar using mail for exchange it does not work directly | 11:56 |
| Gh0sty | so I took a free account at nuevasync to sync it | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, we all agree the default dialer/pim apps are closed source and crap and Nokia insists they remain crap, for "differentiation". My 1999 Nokia 6210 had a "select and copy numbers" option on SMS viewer | 11:56 |
| Gh0sty | that works fine | 11:56 |
| Gh0sty | but they now suspend the free service | 11:56 |
| Gh0sty | so I gotta pay or find an alternative | 11:56 |
| Gh0sty | just received a mail yesterday that the free service stops in 5 days :x | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, I never got the rationale behind this differentiation argument | 11:57 |
| Gh0sty | what I dont understand is why they nowhere involve some good designers ... | 11:57 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: is there one? | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 11:58 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: they do but let them only work on transitions | 11:58 |
| Gh0sty | I'm not a designer ... far from it but some things look logically missing in my pov | 11:58 |
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| Gh0sty | is there also a serious article about battery savings? | 11:59 |
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| Gh0sty | when you start googling and ready around | 11:59 |
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| beerpages | Kostenlose mini Homepages für Umfragen, Videos und vielem mehr auf www.beerpages.de - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/1P/Magst%20du%20%C3%84pfel%3F | 11:59 |
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| chem|st | wtf | 11:59 |
| Gh0sty | there are settings like swapiness and stuff, then some people claim it does a lot ... now I don't feel it much different ... | 11:59 |
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| Gh0sty | and some claim it could even harm your phone | 12:00 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: do you know what swapiness does? | 12:00 |
| Gh0sty | yes | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /dopm | 12:00 |
| Gh0sty | but I don't understand why a phone compared to a server could get harmed by changing it :p | 12:00 |
| Gh0sty | but as far as i understand from other threads the memory on the n900 is somewhat limited so it tends to swap fast | 12:01 |
| chem|st | it is more like we recommend to leave your fingers of stuff you do not understand as you may do things to your device bricking melting exploding it | 12:01 |
| Gh0sty | :P | 12:02 |
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| Gh0sty | yes thats why I look around ... I am a sysadmin and do understand most stuff but not really that familiar with low profile hardware like n900 | 12:03 |
| chem|st | the point in high swappiness is to have the active program running smooth which makes changes slow | 12:03 |
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| chem|st | I have 30% free ram most of the time with the std swappiness settings, and I think why swap if ther is still plenty of ram? | 12:04 |
| RST38h | chemist: that is a bit different from what you describe | 12:05 |
| RST38h | chemist: High swappiness leads to more memory available to NEW applications being started | 12:05 |
| RST38h | So, your applications start up faster | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or allocates ram faster (malloc() ) | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Your running applications may run slower / choppier, if your swap performs badly (like in N900) | 12:06 |
| chem|st | RST38h: oh yeah in my head I included starting programs but didn''t write it ;) | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Lower swappiness effectively makes app startup or memory allocation slower, but will keep running apps in memory, so they run smoothly | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | except when doing malloc() | 12:07 |
| RST38h | On PCs, you can keep it at 100%, their disks are fast enough to support swappiness | 12:07 |
| RST38h | On N900, 30% feels like the right balance | 12:08 |
| RST38h | You can even set it to 0% and it won't kill you, just increase app startup times | 12:08 |
| Gh0sty | oh just some stupid idea of mine ... is it possible to divide the storage space you see as mass storage in 2 parts? | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and running app maloc() delays | 12:08 |
| Gh0sty | i'd like 1 fat32 of 4G | 12:08 |
| Gh0sty | and the rest xfs or ext or something | 12:09 |
| Gh0sty | cause it sucks to have to store DVD images in 2 parts due to the crappy fat limits :p | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 12:09 |
| Gh0sty | which would be the better choice ... xfs? :p | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | change size of /home | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | Gh0sty: lol you jsut need to write the right fat... I store 7.4GB dvds on my usbsticks vfat 8GB stick | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: well, recorder .wav files stalled at 2GB for me, on MyDocs | 12:11 |
| chem|st | once I had a 500GB external hdd with a few fat partitions all not able to write beyond 2GB... | 12:12 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah you need to format it your own I guess, not tried on N900 yet | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe recorder sucks, maybe MyDocs fs sucks | 12:12 |
| chem|st | not my hdd btw, just had to put some movies on it | 12:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: both in the limits ;) | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe even .wav format sucks X-P | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't think so. .wav has no length limits I'd know of | 12:15 |
| Gh0sty | ha cool | 12:18 |
| Gh0sty | that dbus call for disabling the gsm radio is now also on the wiki | 12:18 |
| Gh0sty | splendid :) | 12:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer puts new hack on wiki: echo loser >x; cat x >>x | 12:22 | |
| chx | add an infinite loop...... | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | another one? | 12:23 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: this one did not work | 12:23 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: It's been very very long ago that cat allowed this | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, it doesn't? | 12:23 |
| chx | cat: x: input file is output file | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 12:24 |
| chx | i tried it on desktop | 12:24 |
| chx | not on the n900 | 12:24 |
| chx | but i cant imagine it being otehrwise | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, make that cat x | cat >>x | 12:24 |
| chx | teee heeee | 12:25 |
| chx | i am not sure of that either | 12:25 |
| chx | wouldnt cat x read the first block , find an eof, finish and the write happen after? | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, buffer size | 12:26 |
| chx | you need something like tail -F | 12:26 |
| chx | eh -f | 12:26 |
| Corsac | -F is ok too | 12:26 |
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| gomiam | sécuado. | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I seem to remember a cat y x >>x once 'worked' for me | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny, cat got smarter | 12:32 |
| Corsac | it's not cat, it's your shell | 12:34 |
| Corsac | (and tee works fine too) | 12:35 |
| Corsac | or sponge | 12:35 |
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| lolcat | Hello | 12:56 |
| lolcat | Is there ANY way to get spotify offline on the N900? I have premium | 12:56 |
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| stonda | long answer short, no. | 12:58 |
| lolcat | bah | 12:58 |
| lolcat | I should never have given away my N97 mini to my gf | 12:58 |
| lolcat | It was great as a mp3 player | 12:58 |
| fladnag | Cool that makes somehow nearly 800 n9hundrets | 12:58 |
| fladnag | ... Someone told me after myquestion not evryone but most got 2 n900 ..! | 12:59 |
| lolcat | Annoying that none of the open-source clients supports offline | 12:59 |
| fladnag | One n900 is exciting enough forme ..! | 13:00 |
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| fladnag | And atlast igot holymoly internet again ... | 13:01 |
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| fladnag | So im here and ihave some questions already that are specific enough to ask them in this channel ithink ... | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | fladnag: welcome! | 13:04 |
| fladnag | Quake3 ... Its running quite well on my n900 but its running with softwarerendering isnt it? | 13:04 |
| fladnag | Thankyou chemist! | 13:04 |
| chem|st | lolcat: none of which os-clients? | 13:04 |
| alterego | I didn't even know Q3 could run with software rendering. | 13:05 |
| chem|st | fladnag: I think its qles | 13:05 |
| chem|st | gles sry | 13:05 |
| chem|st | alterego: me neither | 13:05 |
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| chem|st | alterego: a usb-hub mouse keyboard and a beamer and we got the smallest game station ;) | 13:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:07 |
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| toadpole | i have a problem with my updater... it shows 12 apps with updates, all are between 89 and 91mb, when i try to update anything, it downloads all 90-odd mb and says 'update failed', no matter which app i try to update | 13:08 |
| toadpole | any help with that? | 13:08 |
| fladnag | Iam atthe dentist cu :) | 13:08 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: ehrm each is 89-91mb? | 13:09 |
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| toadpole | yeah, all around 90 mb, give or take a few hundred kb | 13:10 |
| chem|st | toadpole: which apps? | 13:10 |
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| toadpole | gimme a sec, i'll pull up the update list | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: which firmware are you on? | 13:11 |
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| toadpole | 20.2010.36-2 | 13:12 |
| * chem|st thinks calling it firmware is odd but on all other phones you call the OSs you call it firmware | 13:12 | |
| chem|st | toadpole: 12 apps each 90MB sounds odd to me | 13:13 |
| toadpole | yeah, kinda makes it much less cooler than it actually is :D | 13:13 |
| toadpole | yeah, i can't find any help in the forums either | 13:13 |
| fladnag | He gaveme an esthetic and now ihave to wait some minutes bevore he can take the tooth out ... | 13:13 |
| fladnag | Sooo | 13:13 |
| fladnag | Guis | 13:13 |
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| toadpole | 100 boxes - 90.2 mb | 13:14 |
| toadpole | auto complete editor 90.0 mb | 13:14 |
| toadpole | birthday - 89.9 mb | 13:15 |
| chem|st | toadpole: you messed something up I guess | 13:15 |
| toadpole | yup, i think i did | 13:15 |
| chem|st | toadpole: waht did you do lately? | 13:15 |
| fladnag | Whatdoyouthink ... Quake 3 (maemo5 on n900 ...is it -stock- softwarerendering or with the ogl ? | 13:15 |
| toadpole | do i need to reflash or is there a factory reset? | 13:15 |
| toadpole | i installed the maemo update | 13:15 |
| chem|st | fladnag: as stated above it is gles | 13:16 |
| chem|st | toadpole: how did you install the update | 13:16 |
| toadpole | through the app manager | 13:16 |
| chem|st | toadpole: ok | 13:16 |
| chem|st | toadpole: have you rebooted yet | 13:16 |
| toadpole | several times | 13:16 |
| chem|st | toadpole: nvm | 13:17 |
| toadpole | you think apt-get update would fix this? | 13:17 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: open up a xterm become root and type "dpkg --clear-avail" | 13:17 |
| toadpole | whats that do? | 13:18 |
| chem|st | toadpole: that deletes all package info | 13:18 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: after that "apt-get update" | 13:19 |
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| toadpole | it won't delete installed packages, will it? | 13:19 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: no it cleans out lists only | 13:19 |
| toadpole | do i need to reboot before apt-get? | 13:20 |
| chem|st | no | 13:20 |
| chem|st | you need to have ham closed | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | ~ham | 13:20 |
| infobot | hmm... ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. | 13:20 |
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| toadpole | this is gonna take a long time on EDGE, no 3G here :/ | 13:21 |
| lolcat | chem|st: Linux | 13:21 |
| chem|st | lolcat: GNU/Linux | 13:21 |
| chem|st | ? | 13:21 |
| toadpole | 5 packages 1371825 / 2204kB 62% | 13:22 |
| toadpole | does that mean 137 mb? :O | 13:22 |
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| chem|st | you just did apt-get update? | 13:23 |
| toadpole | yup | 13:23 |
| chem|st | ehrm | 13:23 |
| chem|st | whcih repositories are active? | 13:24 |
| toadpole | the defaults, extras testing, extras devel | 13:24 |
| chem|st | lolcat: which opensource clients I was asking not os as in operating sys.. | 13:24 |
| chem|st | toadpole: thats between 16-25MB usualy (don't know if its bigger yet | 13:25 |
| toadpole | hey wait, i think its doing it | 13:25 |
| toadpole | the packages are not 90 mb anymore | 13:25 |
| chem|st | toadpole: it will recreate all list from scratch | 13:25 |
| chem|st | should be about 3MB now | 13:25 |
| chem|st | all together | 13:26 |
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| toadpole | nope, more than that | 13:26 |
| chem|st | toadpole: for some reason the OTA update does not rewrite some files | 13:26 |
| toadpole | i'm up to around 12 mb so far | 13:27 |
| chem|st | toadpole: oh well 100 boxes is 400kb already | 13:27 |
| chem|st | toadpole: you are good now? | 13:27 |
| toadpole | hopefully, yes. thanks bro, if there are any problems, i might bother you again :) | 13:28 |
| chem|st | toadpole: do yourself a favour, deactivate devel | 13:28 |
| toadpole | i actually wanted preenv | 13:28 |
| chem|st | toadpole: yeah I activate devel only if I need something from devel in special | 13:28 |
| toadpole | okay, i also have that other repository, my-maemo.com or something, that's got some nice apps | 13:29 |
| chem|st | just had to fix install and uninstall scripts from several packages while upgrading my SDK from 1.2 to 1.3 yesterday | 13:29 |
| chem|st | ~my-maemo | 13:30 |
| chem|st | ~my-maemo.com | 13:30 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: the repo is a collector of all kind, is it really trustworthy? | 13:33 |
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| toadpole | i've downloaded a few apps, seems to work fine | 13:33 |
| chem|st | lists only 6 for download | 13:34 |
| toadpole | wha? no, something wrong there, they have a few hundred apps | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: the software catalog shows a few hundreds, a closer look shows they are from all over the place, some from maemo.org some from ovi and so on | 13:36 |
| chem|st | the download list shows only 6 | 13:36 |
| toadpole | strange, i was looking through the downloads yesterday, it made the app list a whole lot bigger | 13:37 |
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| toadpole | i have to go, i'll be back later, thanks again, chem|st, your help is much appreciated\ | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | toadpole: in ham it only list 5 apps... | 13:46 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | I'm having a problem setting up Hebrew keyboard mapping | 14:25 |
| tzafrir_laptop | (yes, I read Hebrew_N900 on the wiki) | 14:26 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Specifically, I installed ukeyboard, | 14:26 |
| tzafrir_laptop | But I only get the "phonetic" Hebrew layout, which is rather pointless | 14:26 |
| tzafrir_laptop | There should be a querty Hebrew layout, but I don't see it on the list of layouts | 14:27 |
| fladnag | Alterego ? Abernich alterego oder ? Technotechnotechno :) | 14:27 |
| tzafrir_laptop | I do have he-querty.xkb in /usr/share/ukeyboard | 14:27 |
| alterego | What? | 14:27 |
| alterego | Ich sprechen nicht Deutsch. | 14:28 |
| fladnag | Noshit | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | alterego, wirklich? | 14:28 |
| alterego | Ich nicht Duetsch gesprechen? | 14:28 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: war mir nicht bekannt | 14:28 |
| chem|st | alterego: wie du sprichst kein deutsch? | 14:29 |
| chem|st | ;) | 14:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:29 |
| lolloo | hello | 14:29 |
| lolloo | am still having bad quality using skype phone, I tried calling echo/test service and the sound is terrible | 14:30 |
| lolloo | I applied BoostN900 patch but that didn't fix it | 14:30 |
| chem|st | lolloo: what about deactivating powersaving and setting wifi to 100mW? | 14:31 |
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| lolloo | chem|st, yes that too. I did that thank you. | 14:31 |
| fladnag | Are you or r u not by anymeans the alterego please tell me :) faendich jajez echt zukrass wenn ... Aber was geet ... | 14:32 |
| lolloo | I aslo tried to change the DSL routers channel | 14:32 |
| lolloo | but it seems that when I call using my pc I get a good quality | 14:32 |
| lolloo | but when I use skype on N900 its bad quality | 14:33 |
| chem|st | lolloo: use something like wifiinfo to check for channels | 14:33 |
| alterego | I am the alterego. | 14:33 |
| lolloo | ok what channel is best for N900? | 14:33 |
| alterego | Or something. | 14:33 |
| alterego | lolloo: it's more about the traffic around your AP | 14:33 |
| chem|st | fladnag: you dont speak german neither | 14:34 |
| lolloo | skype on my pc is better than on my n900 | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lolloo: the channel noone else uses and at best one channel free in between | 14:34 |
| alterego | If there are a lot of networks on the same frequency/channel as your wireless network, you may get a load of attenuation issues. | 14:34 |
| lolloo | by a big margin | 14:34 |
| lolloo | ok I will look into that | 14:34 |
| alterego | chem|st: well, there are only really 3 channels 1 6 and 11 .. | 14:34 |
| chem|st | so your pc is connected via wifi right? | 14:34 |
| lolloo | yes | 14:35 |
| chem|st | lolloo: powersaving is off? | 14:35 |
| lolloo | yes | 14:35 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Alternatively: is there any way to force a specific XKB layout? | 14:35 |
| fladnag | Ey ward ihr nich zwei? Also romanfluegel und | 14:35 |
| tzafrir_laptop | (I can do without the virtual keyboard) | 14:35 |
| fladnag | Aehm | 14:35 |
| chem|st | fladnag: english! | 14:36 |
| lolloo | I will keep trying other channels. | 14:36 |
| fladnag | Homiess legowelt ? | 14:36 |
| fladnag | Sorry | 14:36 |
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| lolloo | I will give my feedback | 14:36 |
| fladnag | :) | 14:36 |
| chem|st | lolloo: wont do it, | 14:36 |
| chem|st | lolloo: what is your encryption method? | 14:36 |
| lolloo | mmm | 14:37 |
| chem|st | what is running in background? | 14:37 |
| lolloo | WEP | 14:37 |
| fladnag | Hey what doyou guys think about chiptunes/gameboymusic :) | 14:37 |
| lolloo | nothing I formatted or reflashed my nokia | 14:37 |
| chem|st | lolloo: using WEP is like using no encryption... | 14:37 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 14:37 |
| lolloo | better | 14:37 |
| alterego | http://i.imgur.com/75erJ.png | 14:38 |
| alterego | teeheehee | 14:38 |
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| lolloo | guysoft42, what channel is best for n900? | 14:39 |
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| lolloo | I have from 1 - 13 | 14:39 |
| nidO | as you were told, there is no "best" channel | 14:39 |
| chem|st | lolloo: there is no best channel for n900, there is best channel for your location! | 14:39 |
| nidO | just pick the one that has the least other networks on it | 14:39 |
| lolloo | alright | 14:40 |
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| chem|st | lolloo: have you got a data plan? | 14:41 |
| lolloo | no | 14:41 |
| chem|st | lolloo: changing your channel wont help as your pc would have the same problem | 14:42 |
| chem|st | lolloo: something on your setup is messing up | 14:42 |
| lolloo | you right | 14:42 |
| chem|st | try someone elses router | 14:42 |
| lolloo | yeah I will keep that in mind | 14:42 |
| RST38h | http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/12/03/ventblockers_frog.jpg | 14:43 |
| chem|st | lolloo: or look into some "howto setup wifi" guides for proper settings of thresholds beacons and so on | 14:43 |
| chem|st | RST38h: that one has been dead for a while o_O | 14:44 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 14:47 |
| alterego | Oh wait, wrong channel | 14:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, would that be the reason for jittery/jumpy graphics? | 14:49 |
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| nidO | according to the story it was the reason for completely dead graphics | 14:49 |
| ruskie | interesting... | 14:49 |
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| ruskie | Cannot update 'fMMS'. Update cannot be understood. | 14:50 |
| ruskie | [Yes] [No] | 14:50 |
| lcuk | nidO, that does not explain the french speech coming out of the speakers | 14:50 |
| ruskie | pardon??? | 14:50 |
| fladnag | Alsoo joern oder roman ???? | 14:50 |
| fladnag | :) | 14:50 |
| fladnag | Alter? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, but if it is the smell, you know who caused it | 14:50 |
| fladnag | Ego? | 14:50 |
| alterego | What? | 14:50 |
| fladnag | Ey ich vergoettere dich | 14:50 |
| alterego | What is your obsession with my nick? | 14:50 |
| fladnag | Kkkk | 14:51 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:51 |
| fladnag | You are not alterego but your name is :) | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | fladnag, how about you drop it and just get on wither another discussion topic? | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | s/her/h/ | 14:52 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: fladnag, how about you drop it and just get on with another discussion topic? | 14:52 |
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| alterego | I should probably tidy up my N900, emmc has about 500M free O_o | 15:05 |
| fladnag | Jeah | 15:05 |
| lcuk | alterego, I filled mine more than once o_O | 15:06 |
| fladnag | How can one make the fuckin rootfs bigger ? | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | give it soup | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | or viagra | 15:06 |
| lcuk | fladnag, meego uses 4gb rootfs that can be extended afaik - it installs onto the external MMC | 15:06 |
| lcuk | so == big rootfs :) | 15:06 |
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| alterego | Done. | 15:10 |
| alterego | Just had to purge a load of crap from my Downloads directory. | 15:10 |
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| fladnag | Does anyone know how to manoever thrue normal maemo_5 n900 with arrowkeys ? | 15:13 |
| fladnag | (menues) | 15:13 |
| fladnag | ? | 15:13 |
| fladnag | Like inthe filebrowser or file dialogs like in emulators ..! ??? | 15:14 |
| lcuk | fladnag, theres a mod for kildon which adds keybindings for some things, but not sure its status or whether specifically it adds arrow navigation | 15:14 |
| lcuk | hildon even | 15:14 |
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| fladnag | How do i get this mod please | 15:15 |
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| fladnag | Please please please with sugar ontop :) | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | fladnag, http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop | 15:17 |
| fladnag | Thaaankyou !!!! | 15:17 |
| lcuk | fladnag, read all about it, and note its not an official package etc | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and mostly, report feedback to the developer :) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | once you have it installed, pressing "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start" will open an feedback form | 15:19 |
| fladnag | Is it very unstable ? Do you have experience withit? | 15:20 |
| fladnag | :) selct,start ?? Wtf | 15:20 |
| lcuk | sorry fladnag, I have given you hints and a start | 15:20 |
| fladnag | N900 hasno select & start | 15:20 |
| lolcat | chem|st: Any of them | 15:20 |
| * lcuk puts his cape on and flies back to #meego | 15:20 | |
| fladnag | Whatdoyouthink is meego better than maemo_5 or maemo ? | 15:21 |
| fladnag | But such a cape is cool also :p | 15:22 |
| fladnag | Iwant one :p | 15:22 |
| alterego | Need to come up with a nice way to make my UI more portable. | 15:22 |
| alterego | Some bits are too Maemo5 specific. | 15:22 |
| lcuk | fladnag, I think with work meego will be everything maemo and more, if we can make meego as open and accessible as maemo it will do the same but for all phones instead of just one | 15:22 |
| alterego | Think I'll mock up a desktop version. | 15:22 |
| fladnag | But iam afraid ofbootloaders and such ... Had to reflash ... (Once) but my heart ... :P Iam not thatjung anymore | 15:23 |
| fladnag | :) | 15:23 |
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| alterego | Why are you afraid of boot loaders? Anyway, you can run MeeGo without touching the bootloader. | 15:25 |
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| fladnag | ..? Keeping maemo_5 ? | 15:25 |
| joga | funny...had to reboot to be able to send sms...it just shows the crossed over outbox icon on the messages I tried to send earlier | 15:26 |
| alterego | Yes, | 15:26 |
| joga | and complained "incorrect number" once | 15:26 |
| alterego | Meego is installed on a MicroSD card. | 15:26 |
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| RST38h | Fun: http://www.buffalonews.com/weather/article271821.ece | 15:27 |
| alterego | Then you use the flasher utility to load the kernel directly onto the N900 without having to actually flash the device. | 15:27 |
| alterego | Then it boots. | 15:27 |
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| alterego | Doesn't touch maemo, doesn't touch the bootloader, once you restart the device after you've finished testing meego, it'll start back up into maemo. | 15:28 |
| fladnag | Hmmm | 15:28 |
| lolcat | I can have meego on N900? | 15:30 |
| lolcat | Does meego support spotify offline? | 15:30 |
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| fladnag | Can meego run maemo(5) apps ? | 15:31 |
| alterego | You can, but it's really only useful if you want to start developing and exploring what MeeGo offers. | 15:31 |
| alterego | It's not stable enough for day-to-day use. | 15:31 |
| fladnag | Okey | 15:31 |
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| fladnag | :) ithink maemo_5 isnt also ... But i use it evryday alldaylong | 15:32 |
| lolcat | Maemo 5 beats symbian for sure | 15:32 |
| fladnag | But maybe meego is more trouble atm | 15:33 |
| lolcat | It is bether than adroid because the N900 is so powerfull | 15:33 |
| fladnag | Even more :) | 15:33 |
| fladnag | N900 can run android also ..! | 15:33 |
| lolcat | fladnag: maemo isnt a lot of trouble | 15:33 |
| lolcat | Can I call with android? | 15:34 |
| alterego | Maemo 5 is fine. | 15:34 |
| fladnag | Ok if you sayso | 15:34 |
| fladnag | Yeah phone functionality works sofar | 15:34 |
| fladnag | (android on n900) | 15:34 |
| lolcat | oO | 15:35 |
| lolcat | Maybe I should swich to android | 15:35 |
| * RST38h /ignores and sighs | 15:35 | |
| lolcat | RST38h: Me? | 15:35 |
| fladnag | But why are u sighsing :?) | 15:35 |
| lolcat | fladnag: Then I would be able to get spotify! | 15:36 |
| fladnag | Android + maemo_5 + meego on one n900 :p | 15:36 |
| fladnag | + ledbeamer + sixaxis-ps3pad >> lotsoffun :p | 15:37 |
| fladnag | > christmas > ledbeamer | 15:38 |
| fladnag | !!!! :) | 15:38 |
| RST38h | lolcat: you? well... | 15:38 |
| fladnag | Got a wiimote already | 15:38 |
| alterego | What's ledbeamer? | 15:38 |
| fladnag | ..:p | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | android is crap | 15:38 |
| lolcat | I bougth a siaxis ps3 controller to use with my n900 | 15:39 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: But spotify supports it1 | 15:39 |
| fladnag | Ledbeamer is an video projector that wight's about 200gramms and uses usb (5v 500ma) for power :) ... | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | spotify isn't supported here, so I don't care | 15:40 |
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| fladnag | ... Portable cinema/arkade | 15:40 |
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| fladnag | (with an n900. . .) | 15:41 |
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| fladnag | But beware ! They normaly have just about 30 ansilumen ..! | 15:42 |
| fladnag | ... A normal beamer for 230volts has about 2000 ansilumen. .! | 15:43 |
| fladnag | Or wasit 1000 ? | 15:43 |
| fladnag | ... Something likethat | 15:43 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: Neither is Android | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | lolcat, err? | 15:45 |
| fladnag | But it wight's about 2000 gramms or more and yeah you got thepoint | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | beamer? | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - projector | 15:45 |
| fladnag | Jeahjeah | 15:45 |
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| unluckier | hi | 15:45 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 15:46 |
| unluckier | is uboot a boot manager, like grub on pcs? | 15:48 |
| unluckier | hello Venemo | 15:49 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo | 15:49 |
| alterego | unluckier: yes, it is. | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | Is it just me, or does Reuters need to be told what a "shark" is? http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7273/20101203144904900x252sc.png | 15:50 |
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| unluckier | alterego: okay. so it supports some kind of prompt, so i could choose between the meego and the pr13 and the power kernel? | 15:51 |
| alterego | unluckier: Hrm, well, yes, in theory. | 15:51 |
| toadpole | hey can i get to /home/usr in mass storage mode? i don't see it anywhere | 15:52 |
| alterego | Read up on uboot, it's not as easy as it is in a desktop system. | 15:52 |
| unluckier | crashanddie: that is not a shark?! | 15:52 |
| alterego | toadpole: no, mass storage mode exports /home/user/MyDocs | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | unluckier, good, so we agree :) | 15:52 |
| toadpole | okay, thanks guys | 15:53 |
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| unluckier | crashanddie: i'm sure it's one of the near extinct horned sharks, preying on stage divers at weird spanish snuff shows | 15:55 |
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| toadpole | does http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65730 (instal preenv games in mydocs) affect anything else? | 15:56 |
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| Venemo | alterego: what's up? | 16:13 |
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| alterego | Not a lot. | 16:14 |
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| chem|st | fladnag: no calling with nitdroid as there is no mic support | 16:15 |
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| Corsac | chem|st: and no pin-protected sim support either, isn't it? | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | i thought there was mic support | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | but no modem voice support | 16:18 |
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| chem|st | Corsac: yes, same goes for meego | 16:20 |
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| lolloo | is it hard to port pulseaudioused in meego to nitdroid? | 16:20 |
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| lolloo | oh meego also dont support modem voice | 16:21 |
| lolloo | oops | 16:21 |
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| chem|st | ~partition | 16:31 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition | 16:31 |
| chem|st | ~partitioning | 16:31 |
| infobot | i heard partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | hi MohammadAG | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hi Venemo :) | 16:34 |
| Venemo | how are you? | 16:35 |
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| alterego | Hey MohammadAG | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | bored :P | 16:36 |
| alterego | Me too. | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG | hi alterego | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 16:39 |
| Venemo | I'm also a bit bored | 16:39 |
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| Venemo | but not for long | 16:40 |
| Venemo | I'll start working on my app soon :P | 16:40 |
| chem|st | ~repartitioning | 16:40 |
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| chem|st | ~repartitioning is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 16:41 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 16:41 |
| Venemo | ~tomorrow | 16:41 |
| infobot | Tomorrow will probably suck too. | 16:41 |
| chem|st | ~repartitioning | 16:41 |
| infobot | repartitioning is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | ~yesterday | 16:41 |
| infobot | Yesterday? it sucked. | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | ~thedayaftertomorrow | 16:41 |
| Corsac | ~today | 16:41 |
| infobot | Today is the first day of the rest of your life (Friday). | 16:41 |
| chem|st | ~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning | 16:42 |
| infobot | ...but partitioning is already something else... | 16:42 |
| chem|st | ~forget partitioning | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | do HildonExtras work with PyGTK? | 16:42 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: it should, but I haven't a clue how to use it | 16:43 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: there are a few components that are ported to python too | 16:43 |
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| ciaps | hi all | 16:43 |
| Venemo | hi ciaps | 16:43 |
| chem|st | ~no, partitioning | 16:43 |
| chem|st | ~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning | 16:43 |
| infobot | ...but partitioning is already something else... | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, why? | 16:43 |
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| chem|st | grml | 16:43 |
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| Venemo | ~hildon-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras | 16:43 |
| infobot | Venemo: okay | 16:43 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: want to add repartitioning | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I want the HeFullScreen one (if I got the name right) | 16:44 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: I don't know how to make python bindings, but alterego might know more than I | 16:44 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: why python? :P | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | but the current one seems right | 16:45 |
| lolloo | how do I know the app name so I can get it apt-get command? | 16:45 |
| jrobicha | hello everyone, Venemo proposed that I ask for help here | 16:45 |
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| chem|st | nvm | 16:45 |
| lolloo | welcome | 16:45 |
| jrobicha | I need to be able to edit /etc/event.d/xomap without booting maemo | 16:45 |
| Venemo | lolloo: you'll need to know the name of the package to do that | 16:45 |
| chem|st | lolloo: you apt-cache search for it | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, working on noor again, need it for tomorrow's exam :P | 16:46 |
| lolloo | awesome | 16:46 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: noor? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | Quran app | 16:46 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: from droid or meego? | 16:46 |
| Venemo | lolloo: you can also search on maemo.org/packages | 16:46 |
| jrobicha | I've made a bad edit to that file (putting the Xorg.0.log file from /tmp to the MyDocs folder because it's getting too big) and now maemo can't boot | 16:46 |
| lolloo | oh great. better than app manager | 16:46 |
| lolloo | sucks big time! | 16:46 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: any | 16:47 |
| jrobicha | I'm currently flashing meego on an external sd card | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | MaePad's in python right? | 16:47 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: nitdroid cannot mount root partition in a easy way | 16:47 |
| jrobicha | ok | 16:47 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: oh. so it is stuff with which one can read the Quran? | 16:47 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: you need to become root in droid to do that afair | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, yeah | 16:48 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: yeah, that's what I thought. I have this runnign right now: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | Venemo, actually, the thing you use to read is called "eyes" | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | or fingertips, if you're blind. | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | since it's a port of the PC version, full screen mode can only be exit from using the F button | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | what if you're blind and want to use the N900 to read? | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | get it as an audiobook | 16:49 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: espeak | 16:49 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: no idea | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | good luck on finding the icon though | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | jrobicha: I guess there is some editor available in the rescue shell | 16:50 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: I can now mount mmbblk0p1 and p2 on my laptop, but that doesn't contain the root fs partition | 16:50 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: yes | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | rescue hell** | 16:51 |
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| jrobicha | but I can't see the "/" equivalent device | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | root is /dev/mtd5 | 16:51 |
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| MohammadAG | meego's initrd can't modprobe ubi.ko | 16:51 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: icon? i know the keymap can start xterm and run a command with closed eyes... | 16:51 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: ah, that's pretty bad then... | 16:52 |
| chem|st | haptic keyboards for life! | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | actually, I was recently shown a screen with variable texture | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | nitdroid mounts the root partition on boot afaik | 16:52 |
| jrobicha | do we have another 'rescue' initrd I could use? | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | so that you could make "buttons" appear anywhere on the screen. The screen draws what the button means, and you can feel where it is | 16:53 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: the wife of a friend is blind and is developer of those haptic boards for blind people... he is knopper (knoppix...) | 16:53 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: yeah, but within nitdroid, I can't get to a shell and edit stuff | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | nope, might work on one soon though | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, saw the tech demo | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, I saw the demo in my office :) | 16:53 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: there is a shell preinstalled in the devel section but no root me remembers | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | good point, doesn't busybox run on android? | 16:54 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: got a link handy? | 16:54 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: that's a good question | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, nope | 16:54 |
| ciaps | I'm trying to install tesseract on the nokia n900. Yesterday I spent the intere day tryint to do it but without success.. I tried to download with apt-get but I did not found the package, after I tried to compile from the source inside scratchbox but no results | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG & chem|st: it even allows for a blind personal navigation system -- you keep your finger on the screen, and with a digital compass and gps, it guides you towards your destination by making the button move left and right to "aim" you. | 16:55 |
| ciaps | If I try to compile it in the n900 I get this error: ./configure: permission denied | 16:55 |
| ciaps | but I checked the permissions and it's ok.. | 16:55 |
| ciaps | any ideas? | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | ciaps, yes, the permissions aren't right | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | ciaps, and you need to do it on the root, not inside /home/user/MyDocs | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | or the SD card for that matter | 16:56 |
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| ciaps | crashanddie: why I have to compile the project in the root? | 16:57 |
| chem|st | ciaps: tesseract-ocr | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | ciaps, because the fat32 partitions don't support the exec bit | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | ciaps, or remount the partition without the noexec flag | 16:58 |
| ciaps | chem|st: doesn't work apt-get install tesseract-ocr: it doesn't find the package | 16:58 |
| ciaps | crashanddie: uhm | 16:58 |
| chem|st | ciaps: it is in devel | 16:58 |
| chem|st | ciaps: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tesseract-ocr/ | 16:58 |
| ciaps | chem|st: I should have that repository but it doesn't work | 16:58 |
| ciaps | crashanddie: so I have to copy the project in the root directory and execute it.. ok | 16:59 |
| chem|st | ciaps: no just somewhere not vfat | 16:59 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: actually, the meego rescue "initrd" I have actually have the ubifs.ko | 16:59 |
| jrobicha | are there special "modprobe" options to pass to mount the fs? | 16:59 |
| ciaps | chem|st: ok, so I can also create a folder in the root and after execute there.. ok thanks :) I'm going to try it | 17:00 |
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| jrobicha | a simple "modprobe ubifs" gives errors related to: unable to initialize the lzo compressor | 17:00 |
| chem|st | ciaps: I would check if devel is active first | 17:00 |
| ciaps | how can I do it? | 17:01 |
| chem|st | ham or simply download it from the website... | 17:01 |
| chem|st | ciaps: I would not use / (rootfs) for compiling stuff, use /home/user/<yourfolder> instead | 17:02 |
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| ciaps | chem|st: ok thanks.. it seems that tesseract is not available in the repository.. I'm clicking to download but it doesn't start | 17:04 |
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| chem|st | ciaps: you are doing something wrong... http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.debhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb | 17:05 |
| chem|st | damn | 17:05 |
| chem|st | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb | 17:05 |
| chem|st | that | 17:05 |
| ciaps | yes you're right | 17:05 |
| chem|st | type wget <link> | 17:06 |
| chem|st | after that "dpkg -i tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb" | 17:06 |
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| ciaps | can I ask you where did you find the link? I'm here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tesseract-ocr/ | 17:06 |
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| chem|st | oh you need to fullfill the dependencies first | 17:07 |
| chem|st | ciaps click on the link at package | 17:07 |
| ciaps | but if I press http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/tesseract-ocr/2.04-2maemo0/ it doesn't start | 17:07 |
| ciaps | it links me here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/tesseract-ocr/2.04-2maemo0/ | 17:07 |
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| chem|st | at releases just the armel one clicking | 17:08 |
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| chem|st | yes and there is "file: tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb" link | 17:09 |
| ciaps | damn it yes | 17:09 |
| ciaps | you're right | 17:10 |
| chem|st | ciaps: activate extras-devel or better leave your hands off! | 17:10 |
| ciaps | cheers mate | 17:10 |
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| ciaps | :D | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | jrobicha, as I said, you can't modprobe it | 17:10 |
| chem|st | your next step is to find your self stuck to not being able to install | 17:10 |
| ciaps | I have it in the /etc/apt/source.list but it doens't work | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is +o necessary? | 17:11 |
| chem|st | that is the point you should give up! | 17:11 |
| ciaps | :D | 17:11 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: yeah! I thought is was because the module wasn't there | 17:11 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: he might forgot earlier | 17:11 |
| jrobicha | MohammadAG: but I understand that it's a deeper problem... | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, probably missing kernel .config line | 17:12 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: what are you actualy trying to do? | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | or another module | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | brb, gotta study :) | 17:12 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: well, yesterday, I was trying to diagnose my growing Xorg.0.log problem | 17:12 |
| chem|st | ok weekend ladies | 17:13 |
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| jrobicha | chemjst: I wanted to have the log created outside /tmp (because there's only 1MB available there) | 17:13 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: and now you screwed all your system? | 17:13 |
| jrobicha | I edited /etc/event.d/xomap and put the destination of the xorg log to /home/.../MyDocs | 17:13 |
| jrobicha | well, the system is generally fine, but the phone doesn't boot into maemo becaue of that change | 17:14 |
| chem|st | and that is not readable at the point it is needed to be | 17:14 |
| jrobicha | so I simply want to edit that file again and put the log destination to /tmp again | 17:14 |
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| jrobicha | yes, MyDocs isn't available when X starts | 17:14 |
| jrobicha | but right now, I can't access the root fs | 17:14 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: what a wonder... | 17:14 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: indeed | 17:15 |
| Venemo | isn't it possible to boot maemo into console mode? | 17:15 |
| Venemo | that'd do it | 17:15 |
| chem|st | Venemo: thats the rescue initrd | 17:15 |
| jrobicha | Venemo: yes, that would be great | 17:15 |
| jrobicha | but I can't find how | 17:15 |
| Venemo | chem|st: so why doesn't jrobicha do that? | 17:16 |
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| jrobicha | venemo & chemjst: I can get the meego rescue initrd, is there a maemo one? | 17:16 |
| chem|st | Venemo: he did but it doesnt list /dev/mmcblk0 | 17:16 |
| jrobicha | i have multiboot installed also... maybe that can help? | 17:16 |
| chem|st | you may try to become root in nitdroid and mount it | 17:17 |
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| chem|st | jrobicha: you do that with the remote shell stuff (I never got to wrok for me) | 17:17 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: yeah, I couldn't get it to work either | 17:17 |
| chem|st | why not reflash? | 17:18 |
| chem|st | let me guess you didn't do a backup | 17:18 |
| jrobicha | yes, I have a data backup | 17:18 |
| chem|st | so whats the deal | 17:19 |
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| chem|st | 20 minutes and you are back to normal | 17:19 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: I'd like to learn (if possible) how to do that kind of stuff | 17:19 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: if noone here can give you easy steps... | 17:19 |
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| jrobicha | chemjst: yeah, that's my conclusion... | 17:20 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: I was stuck at the point of accessing rootfs with nitdroid and finaly gave up on it | 17:20 |
| Venemo | jrobicha: reflash is the best. I once screwed up my x keyboard map... | 17:20 |
| jrobicha | chemjst: since I want to do some meego dev, that would have been useful | 17:20 |
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| chem|st | exporting rootfs to usb-storage mode didn't work out neither | 17:20 |
| Venemo | _|Nix|_: ping | 17:20 |
| chem|st | jrobicha: maybe someone in #meego-dev can help | 17:21 |
| chem|st | so byebye have a nice weekend | 17:21 |
| Venemo | you too chem|st | 17:21 |
| jrobicha | oh great, my battery is empty! | 17:25 |
| Venemo | jrobicha: charge it then | 17:26 |
| jrobicha | venemo: yeah, I home that it's charging... the phone is plug with the wall adaptor right now, and goes in reboot cycles.... | 17:27 |
| Venemo | jrobicha: ouch! | 17:28 |
| fladnag | Hey maemopeoples :) | 17:28 |
| Venemo | hello fladnag | 17:28 |
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| Venemo | jrobicha: reboot cycles is not good... | 17:29 |
| jrobicha | venemo: yeah, hopefully, I'll get enough battery charge to boot into meego and let it charge a little, just enough for a reflash | 17:29 |
| fladnag | Do you know if there is some sort of dj-software for the n900/maemo ?? | 17:30 |
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| fladnag | ... Like traktor ..? | 17:30 |
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| fladnag | Oh and can you tell me what "unoptified" means (milkytracker for maemo) ? | 17:32 |
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| toggles | fladnag: "unoptified" means broken package on maemo | 17:33 |
| fladnag | It needs more rootfs space orsomething isthat right? | 17:33 |
| fladnag | Broken? | 17:33 |
| toggles | it installs to the wrong partition, which is generally the right partition on a desktop | 17:33 |
| fladnag | But its just like that for download ... | 17:34 |
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| fladnag | I cant install it orwhat? | 17:34 |
| fladnag | :( ? | 17:34 |
| nidO | you can install unoptified software but itll eat up disk space on your rootfs | 17:34 |
| nidO | which can cause problems down the line if you lose too much space | 17:35 |
| Venemo | ~optification | 17:35 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... | 17:35 |
| toggles | you can install it but it installs to /usr/bin etc instead of the "correct" /opt/maemo/usr/bin which is on a different partition | 17:35 |
| toggles | heh, better | 17:35 |
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| Venemo | fladnag: optified software means that it takes space from the eMMC card and not the rootfs | 17:36 |
| fladnag | Ohshit | 17:36 |
| Venemo | fladnag: this means installing your binary to /opt/someplace instead of the root fs | 17:36 |
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| Venemo | fladnag: this is because the rootfs has very limited size and your app is not supposed to fill it | 17:36 |
| fladnag | Ok ahm what do i have to expect | 17:36 |
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| Venemo | fladnag: what do you have to expect from what? | 17:37 |
| fladnag | I mean errors/errorscenarios ? | 17:37 |
| Venemo | fladnag: from what? | 17:37 |
| nidO | generally if you use a bit too much rootfs space youll have trouble with future ota upgrades | 17:37 |
| fladnag | From installing software like that | 17:37 |
| fladnag | Hm ok | 17:37 |
| Venemo | fladnag: if you install stuff that fills up the rootfs, the N900 may not be able to operate correctly | 17:37 |
| nidO | if you use a lot too much rootfs space and fill it entirely, you'll screw up the device and possibly get stuck in a reboot loop when you next restart it | 17:37 |
| Venemo | fladnag: for extreme cases (very low space on rootfs), it may no longer be able to boot up | 17:38 |
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| Venemo | fladnag: if you don't fill it up fully but fill it much anyway, then there'll be no room for future updates | 17:38 |
| fladnag | And is a rebootloop like that reparable like reflashing it or idontknow | 17:38 |
| Venemo | fladnag: yep | 17:39 |
| nidO | a reflash would sort it fine | 17:39 |
| fladnag | Ok | 17:39 |
| Venemo | fladnag: of course you can always uninstall this kind of software while the device is still able to boot (in the case when you realize you need more rootfs space) | 17:39 |
| Venemo | but really | 17:39 |
| Venemo | read | 17:39 |
| Venemo | ~optification | 17:39 |
| infobot | [optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 17:39 |
| fladnag | Kk | 17:40 |
| fladnag | Thankyou very much ! | 17:40 |
| fladnag | :) | 17:40 |
| fladnag | Ohman ilove this comunitything | 17:40 |
| fladnag | Its beautiful :) | 17:40 |
| fladnag | Irealymeanit | 17:41 |
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| alterego | I still think /usr/local rather than /opt | 17:42 |
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| alterego | But what is done, is done. | 17:43 |
| Venemo | hm | 17:44 |
| Venemo | there are 450 people here, and only 391 on #fedora... how is that? :D | 17:44 |
| mtnbkr | maemo > fedora? :) | 17:45 |
| wallblom | yup <3 | 17:45 |
| Venemo | hehe :D | 17:48 |
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| Venemo | I have not counted the various other channels of Fedora though :P | 17:48 |
| trx | how can i retrieve the current location using gps in my app? | 17:49 |
| trx | liblocation is fairly poor documented :/ | 17:49 |
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| andre__ | trx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API ? | 17:52 |
| Venemo | trx: use Qt Mobility | 17:52 |
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| trx | oh, im sorry i only found http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html | 17:54 |
| trx | thank you | 17:54 |
| Venemo | yw | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | Gizmokid2005, setup a paypal account. | 18:32 |
| Gizmokid2005 | lcuk: I think I'm going to. If word spreads and they get help...I can't convey how much it would be appreciated. The people that have already come forward locally that have been in similar positions is so great. | 18:33 |
| lcuk | sure thing | 18:34 |
| lcuk | i read the page and totally understand the situation (been there myself) and will happily give an amount to help. | 18:34 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | thanks lcuk, it's appreciated more than you know. | 18:37 |
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| pallon | hi all | 18:51 |
| pallon | I m trying to compile tesseract 3.00 in the n900 but I get a weird error: | 18:51 |
| pallon | configure: error: no acceptable grep could be found in /bin:...etc | 18:52 |
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| pallon | any idea to solve it? | 18:53 |
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| crashanddie | install gnu tools or whatever the name is | 18:55 |
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| dRbiG | lol, 'grep' is built into ash so no exec for it, and the one you install from repos is ggrep | 18:56 |
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| pallon | uhm | 19:03 |
| pallon | so what can I do? | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Set up a chroot, with proper tools | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | IMO | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Installing random crap into / is bad | 19:05 |
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| pallon | damn it.. | 19:05 |
| pallon | I was looking for a simple solution :( | 19:06 |
| pallon | ah another thing, | 19:08 |
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| pallon | do you know why doesn't work the tab autocompletion tool when I try to do apt-get install (this both in the n900 both in the scratchbox) | 19:08 |
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| Venemo | pallon: why don't you compile it in scratchbox? | 19:15 |
| pallon | Venemo: it's not a project created with automake so I don't know how to create a .deb | 19:16 |
| luke-jr | pallon: checkinstall make install | 19:17 |
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| Venemo | pallon: what kind of project is it? | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | pallon: tab autocompletion generally only works if there's a file the shell knows about, it doesn't understand commands | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | pallon: simple solution: install Gentoo on N900 | 19:18 |
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| pallon | Venemo: is tesseract 3.00 | 19:18 |
| Venemo | pallon: no idea then, sorry :( | 19:19 |
| pallon | luke-jr: yes but in my ubuntu it works.. | 19:19 |
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| luke-jr | Ubuntu probably does some customization to the BASH auto-complete | 19:19 |
| luke-jr | which is very flexible | 19:19 |
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| luke-jr | but not so much ash's | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | goodbye guys, I'll be back :) | 19:21 |
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| trumee | guys, how can i specify own custom-name when compiling kenel using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" | 19:46 |
| trumee | i know this works make EXTRAVERSION=-blahblah bzImage | 19:47 |
| trumee | Secon question is if i remove the /lib/module/current, will the device boot-up? | 19:48 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: ^^ | 19:48 |
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| RST38h | well. moo. | 20:13 |
| alterego | I wonder if there's an app that can cycle ir codes to help you find out what config file you need. | 20:13 |
| alterego | moo | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: meh, /dopm didn't work :-P | 20:15 |
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| alterego | Anyone know of such a utility? | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wikileaks is just DoS'd in USA aiui | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: No shit. | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Doc: They moved to .SE address for now | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: they ever been there | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | everyDNS has 'locked' the page, in USA | 20:21 |
| RST38h | Yea, for technical reasons not related to Wikileaks activity, I am sure? :) | 20:21 |
| frals | they are using .ch domain but still provided by everyDNS afaik | 20:22 |
| frals | and a .se server which redirects you to a OVH hosting (.fr) | 20:22 |
| frals | or something along those lines | 20:22 |
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| ieatlint | wtf... "everyDNS" owns the domain? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://213.251.145.96/ | 20:30 |
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| ieatlint | whatever, this will all be over soon... the brits are about to arrest the guy on the swedish warrant, and he'll carry out his immature threats to prevent his rape trial, and the remaining info will be released, and that'll be that | 20:31 |
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| ieatlint | note: threats are less concerning when you insist you'll release all the info no matter what, but with it just an issue of timing (and the threat carries less weight when your desired method is to slowly release parts to string it out over months instead of a single dump) | 20:32 |
| RST38h | UK has said they know where the uy is but the international order for him has been filed improperly | 20:32 |
| RST38h | s/uy/guy | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | Anyway, I think it is time for dead pool | 20:33 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but news outlets say sweden has amended the warrant in response to those concerns | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Funny how many american movies end up with heroic hackers / freedom fighters/ etc making-secret-government-conspiracy-information-public-on-the-internet and there is happy end | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | While in reality... well... :) | 20:36 |
| trumee | guys, i have copied my custom kernel modules to /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom, and .flasher-3.5 -l -b -k /opt/scratchbox/users/sbox/home/user/kernel-2.6.28/arch/arm/boot/zImage | 20:38 |
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| trumee | But the device doesnt boot. | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | i'll stop myself on this subject now, i fear it'll turn into another pointless and very off-topic rant :) | 20:38 |
| trumee | Is it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 | 20:39 |
| RST38h | not that there is a lot going on on-topic though | 20:39 |
| trumee | anybody installed a CUSTOM kernel? | 20:40 |
| trumee | i dont want to brick my device without first testing :( | 20:41 |
| RST38h | And you test... by asking if anyone has bricked his device before you do? | 20:41 |
| trumee | RST38h: i just want to know if i can delete /lib/modules/current. | 20:42 |
| trumee | RST38h: will my custom kernel pick its module directory automatically with 'current' still pointing to stock module directory | 20:43 |
| trumee | Nobody is responding. Is it because of Friday, or nobody want to respond to an idiot. | 20:46 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: can you spare some time? | 20:48 |
| RST38h | guess. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: yes, current has to point to the matching modules | 20:49 |
| * alterego makes a local mirror of lirc remotes repository. | 20:49 | |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks. | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 20:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: aiui? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aiui | 20:49 |
| infobot | aiui is, like, As I Understand It | 20:49 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah, ok. so guess deleting current wont help. Maemo kernel is not intelligent like modern day distros. | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: I was about to suggest that, but then it was too obvious an idea, and too complex to write the proper suggestion | 20:50 |
| alterego | :) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: I dunno | 20:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was just wondering if anyone had already done anything like it before. Seems like quite an obvious tool to have. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG, he might have some experience with this by now | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | modversion etc for kernels | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-03 19:39:01] <trumee> Is it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the Q is: which prerequisites must be met for a custom kernel and its modules to boot | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | kernel (zImage flashed) and modules | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | edit /sbin/preinit (CAUTION!!!) | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | on a full dev system, also headers | 20:54 |
| alterego | Is /lib/modules/current even used? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | make it look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | or | 20:55 |
| alterego | I thought things normally use uname | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | make it look in "/lib/modules/`uname -r`" | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, no, I think it uses current | 20:55 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's been some time since i checked the file | 20:55 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 20:55 | |
| alterego | Isn't taking too long to download all the remote config files. | 20:55 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: I have placed the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom, '/lib/modules/current' still points to /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1, kernel flashed using flasher-3.5 -l -b -k zImage | 20:55 |
| alterego | On 's' already .. | 20:55 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: device doesnt boot after that. | 20:56 |
| alterego | No to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D | 20:56 |
| alterego | s/No/Now/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Now to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` #fixed by kernel-power | 20:56 |
| alterego | And its' done :D | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: exactly what I suggested some days ago, fine :-D | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, is the EXTRAVERSION=-custom? | 20:57 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes | 20:57 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: the 'current' symlink still points to stock modules. | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | rm /lib/modules/current and recreate it? | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a symlink, make a new one | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | or edit /sbin/preinit as I stated above | 20:58 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: where do i fix this, MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` ? | 20:58 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: oops!. you were too quick, | 20:58 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: really? Cool, I've been thinking of doing it for months, just never got around to it. | 20:59 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: i want to test the kernel without flashing it, first. | 21:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening alls :) | 21:01 |
| * NooBmonk3y waves at alterego , DocScrutinizer , MohammadAG , lcuk , frals etc etc | 21:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you're aware it's not the irreco 'skin' def files you need, but the lirc controller files? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, does it matter? you can flash back | 21:01 |
| * MohammadAG waves back | 21:01 | |
| * DocScrutinizer hugs NooBmonk3y | 21:01 | |
| NooBmonk3y | w000p | 21:01 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ah! yes. with the preinit fixed, i can. cant i. stupid me. | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | eveyone having a good friday? | 21:01 |
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| MohammadAG | no, I didn't murder any trouts | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to admit this being a terra incognita to me as well | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing a new kernel won't usually work without also flashing a matching new rootfs, no? | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is kernel/preinit/whatever supposed to 'autonagically' find the matching modules? | 21:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, if youve got some time this evening can i double check packaging folders etc with you please? not sure i've got it right :P | 21:05 |
| trumee | crappppppp. i have gone into a reboot loop! | 21:05 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: The Nokia logo comes on and the devices reboot instantly | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: time for rescue_initrd then? :-D | 21:06 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i guess i can flash the stock kernel back using ./flasher-3.5 -F stock_image --flash-only=kernel -f -R ? | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, flash stock kernel, it's not that hard | 21:08 |
| lcuk | hey ho NooBmonk3y and RevdKathy \o | 21:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) :) | 21:08 |
| * RevdKathy waves back at NooBmonk3y and lcuk | 21:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: not if you broke preinit | 21:09 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i replaced custom with 'uname-r'? that should still work. | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | uname-r never works, unless you create a symlink or alias to uname -r | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | if you broke preinit, you're pretty much done for with the current kernels | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | symbian's music player is awesome | 21:11 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer: ok, flashing the stock kernel brought it back to life. | 21:14 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's what I'm downloading | 21:15 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: so 'uname -r' did work :) | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but uname-r is a typo that won't | 21:16 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah. yup. thanks | 21:16 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: seems something went wrong when i copied the modules over. What can i create a debian package in scratchbox with -custom as the version? | 21:17 |
| trumee | s/What/How | 21:17 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b builds the stock -omap1 version? | 21:18 |
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| trumee | what about this : MAKE="make EXTRAVERSION=-custom -j 3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Kentucky Announces Creationism Theme Park | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | edit debian/rules | 21:21 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: i dont see a omap1 string in debian/rules | 21:22 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ok, spotted #EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-$(REVISION), should i uncomment this to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-custom? | 21:24 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 21:26 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: No idea why the device went into a reboot loop. The kernel modules were in /home/user/kernel, and i did for FILE in $(find . -name '*.ko'); do cp -rf $FILE /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom/ ; done | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | change it to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION=-custom | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | they forgot the = | 21:26 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: thanks | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 21:28 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: so after editing debian rules, i simply do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' ? | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | http://www.gsmarena.com/meego_tablet_and_smartphone_leak_on_pictures-news-2116.php | 21:30 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: the modules were in their own directories (net, fs, arch blah blah), so i used find to copy them over to a single directory | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | or fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -:P | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you all make my head hurt | 21:31 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: oh no. It started with this '/scratchbox/tools/bin/make EXTRAVERSION=-custom rx51_defconfig'. and overwrote my .config file. | 21:32 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: do i have to replace DEFCONFIG := rx51_defconfig as well? | 21:33 |
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| MohammadAG | actually | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | no, you don't | 21:33 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: Then how do i stop it overwriting my .config file? | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | here's how I do it with hostmode | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/U3rMmW67 | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | I save the .config in debian/ then overwrite it right after that step | 21:35 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: so i can replace your debian/rules with your pastebin file, copy my .config to debian/ and run the dbuild-package? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I doubt you want it to be called kernel-hostmode though! | 21:38 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes, ofcourse :) | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | just replace the configure-stamp: source-stamp section | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, ping | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, you too, ping :P | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG | still need help with packaging? | 21:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | Just trying packing one more time, builds fine, just no app seeming to get installed :P | 21:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | will give it one more go :) | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | Paste the debian/rules file | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | k :) | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | everyone who needs to contact me knows my email | 21:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 21:40 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, do it. | 21:44 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :P | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, done :P | 21:46 |
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| nox- | moin | 21:47 |
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| alterego | This would be so much easier if there was a zip file ^.^ | 21:47 |
| alterego | Hrm, so what I have to do, is create a symlink from nth config file to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf | 21:48 |
| alterego | Fire a power button even, then do the same for the rest. | 21:49 |
| alterego | Oh, and I need to start/stop lircd :/ | 21:49 |
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| alterego | Hrm, this could take some time .. | 21:50 |
| alterego | Unless .. | 21:50 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: in debian/rules, which one should i use FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-flasher or FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-custom-flasher ? | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | $(PACKAGE)-flasher should work | 21:53 |
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| MohammadAG | kernel-custom-flasher I suppose, depends on your $PACKAGE | 21:53 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i see. | 21:53 |
| alterego | Oh, there is a .tar.bz2 of all the remotes. | 21:55 |
| alterego | Silly me .. | 21:55 |
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| alterego | ls | 21:58 |
| alterego | reset | 21:58 |
| alterego | Though, I wonder how lircd would cope with a single config file with all remotes in ^.^ | 21:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, is it snowing down there yet? ;) | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | no, three cities are on fire though | 22:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh... erm, not good! | 22:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | just had a police car crash outside my window, well, spin anyway, was quite entertaining | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, it's been on for +24h | 22:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo ok healthcheck is now showing as 400kb, not 8kb, might be a bit better lol | 22:01 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yay ok almost there!!! | 22:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | icon in the main menu | 22:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | but just highlights when i tap it ;) | 22:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, you fixed that issue with maecount :p remember the fix? | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | I already said that, twice :P | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | check the .desktop file, chances are it's installed to /usr/bin/healthcheck/healthcheck | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | which isn't in $PATH | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | so you need to include the full path in Exec= | 22:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | its installed to opt/healthcheck | 22:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahh ok | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | kinky, then do the same, include the full path | 22:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | w000p | 22:05 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Exec=/opt/healthcheck/healthcheck | 22:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | assuming that is wrong lol | 22:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | should it just be Exec=/opt/healthcheck | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | I hate israel's price logics | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | no, but it's case sensitive | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | I can haz deb file? | 22:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | it is all lower case | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | even if it's broken, wanna check something | 22:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol okies | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh right | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | chmod +x it | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | chmod +x /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | then use the menu icon, should work | 22:07 |
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| NooBmonk3y | meh | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | not sure who's more desperate, the guy who started the sex app thread, or the people following it | 22:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | the deb doesnt match where i thought it was going | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | and has the wrong version number | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | random | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | can I just have it? :P | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hahaha | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | target.path = /opt/usr/bin | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | thats the problem | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | moh, dcc'ing it | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | I noticed, you minimized my game | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | all on purpose lol | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | * DCC RECV connect attempt to NooBmonk3y failed (err=Connection timed out). | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: no, the problem is your missing link from /usr/bin/hc to /opt/hc/hc | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | moh http://ubuntuone.com/p/S1j/ | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, thank you i think, just dont quite understand what you said :) | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I say, unless you're very confused and your app doing absolutely nonstandard things, you usually want the executable itself or a link pointing to it, somewhere in $PATH | 22:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | well the exec is in /opt | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | N.B. without editing PATH env | 22:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | and i can run it from terminal | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no you can't | 22:17 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol... erm, not sure how to respond to that :| | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | seriously | 22:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | i cd /opt and then ./healthcheck | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | you should've spotted this, easily!!! | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | Exec=/usr/bin/healthcheck | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS!°!! | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | and it's in /opt/usr/bin/healthcheck | 22:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, a bottle of wine and a bad day says no :P | 22:18 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i cant see it in there on the device | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: that's not how terminal is supposed to work. Read my above explanation, maybe then you get an idea what to answer | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | duh | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, no offence, you may consider me a dumbass, but i'm not lying! | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | it should be Exec=/opt/usr/bin/healthcheck | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | thats what i did | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: definitely NOT | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, but its not gone there on my device :| | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG | the deb says otherwise | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, huh? | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm that deb confused me | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | it doesnt seem to be what the pro etc says | 22:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | hold on | 22:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | let me git it | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, many maemo apps are coded with /opt in mind | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: since when is EXEC= including the fqn, while the executable itself may live in random locations outside $PATH? | 22:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh git terminated oh well | 22:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm amazed how my confusion has once again upset DocScrutinizer :P | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Exec= can be anything outside of $PATH, as long as the /full/path/to/it exists | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | sure, it's not the Debian way, but neither is optification | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: do a echo $PATH in terminal, make sure your excutable or a link to your executable is in any of those directories | 22:22 |
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| NooBmonk3y | /usr/bin:/bin | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he doesn't have to | 22:22 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, drop a script in /usr/bin/healthcheck that cds into your correct directory and then runs hc itself | 22:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | will double check them | 22:22 |
| lcuk | problem solved | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, why? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | where "any" doesn't mean "arbitrary" - there's rather clear rules what has to go where | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, why include ANOTHER file? | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk ;) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, cos thats simplest if he wants to keep dev stuff in one place | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, its clear if you know :p | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | for someone with no linux knowledge, and little coding experience, that knowledge doesnt just appear | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: your executable has to live either in /usr/bin or in /usr/sbin, depending on whether it needs root or not | 22:23 |
| lcuk | even more evily, putting binaries in / itself actually causes smoke to erupt from DocScrutinizer's head o_O | 22:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | Healthcheck is in neither of these folders/usr/bin:/bin | 22:24 |
| * lcuk joking | 22:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so do a ln -s /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck /usr/bin/healthcheck, for example | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or do what lcuk suggested | 22:27 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: it failed with find: invalid predicate `-delete', make: *** [install-headers] Error 1 | 22:27 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/9nTca1ch | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: let me put it this way: if EXEC=healthcheck doesn't work, then not the EXEC= is wrong, but your package is misconfigured | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, finally you understand ;) | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | all i was really asking was......... where is the actual part that says where it installs ;) - so i can then match that to the desktop file...... | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | and whilst asking, where is the best place for it to go, /opt /usr/bin etc etc | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | therefore i learn about the structuring, fix it, and understand a bit more :) | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: check that link in | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 22:30 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 | 22:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaa ty | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | both actually, but especially the second | 22:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh ok /opt woulda done | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will give you an idea about where files live | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the FHS is to clean up issues like yours | 22:32 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: hmm, your debian/rules is missing the find -delete in #kbuild fixes | 22:32 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ok, i have delete the find -delete line from my rules. is there any way to resume the package creation, or do i have compile again? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: there's a well known inherent meaning of every single location in File Hierarchy, and you are better off learning about them and adhere to these guidelines | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, use -nc | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | no clean | 22:34 |
| lcuk | PMSL @ the sex thread on tmo | 22:34 |
| lcuk | best quote: "If by some stray chance a woman actually agrees to a union at the physical level, the N900 can send a message to a thread on here declaring that the member has got laid. " | 22:34 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: thanks | 22:34 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=888656#post888656 | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | a FryDay thread actually | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Friday | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | very muchly so DocScrutinizer | 22:35 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: and now this, scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 2: /home/sbox/kernel-2.6.28/debian/kernel-custom-flasher.postinst.in: No such file or directory | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, rename the .in file debian/ dir | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | it's probably kernel-flasher.postinst.in | 22:36 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: i ended up with kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb rather than kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb | 22:40 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: The beginning of my debian/rules was like this http://www.pastie.org/1345514 | 22:41 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: my packages are called, kernel-debug_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb, kernel-flasher, kernel-headers, kernel-modules-debug, kernel-modules-extra, and so on. But i do get a kernel-source_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_all.deb | 22:42 |
| trumee | any idea why the packages are not being named properly? | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, debian/control | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | you need to change the names there too | 22:43 |
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| trumee | crap! | 22:44 |
| alterego | hrm | 22:44 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i guess linux-kernel-headers remain as it is? | 22:47 |
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| alterego | Think I've got it :) | 22:49 |
| alterego | Now to implement a binary search pattern. | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:49 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: i get control errors now. http://www.pastie.org/1345547 | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | delete debian/files | 22:51 |
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| alterego | Right, if I come back and my TV is off, I know that this may have worked :D | 22:55 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ok, finally it finished successfully. So now, i should install the following on the device, "kernel-custom kernel-custom-flasher kernel-custom-headers kernel-custom-modules kernel-custom-modules-extra" ? | 22:55 |
| alterego | Either that or a power cut. | 22:55 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-custom kernel-custom-modules kernel-custom-flasher should be enough | 22:56 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: errors on install, http://www.pastie.org/1345580 | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | comment it out | 23:01 |
| alterego | Heh, my TV magically turned off :D | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | line 144 or something | 23:02 |
| alterego | Now to work out which one it was ^.^ | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yay, script's working? | 23:02 |
| alterego | It would seem so. | 23:02 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: sorry dont understand/ | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: :-D | 23:02 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: should i force the installation? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, comment this out ln -sf $(KVER) $(CURDIR)/debian/$(MODULES_PACKAGE)/lib/modules/current in debian/rules | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | i.e add a # | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | and rebuild packages | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: suggestion: use ALS and stop (not exit!) your script loop, when light from TV screen vanishes | 23:03 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand what you mean. | 23:03 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm just sending 'POWER' at the moment. | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-03 22:02:25] <alterego> Now to work out which one it was ^.^ | 23:04 |
| * MohammadAG would suggest an n=n+1 + a sleep 3 | 23:05 | |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: that would take way too long. | 23:05 |
| alterego | I'm going to use a binary search pattern | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | sleep 0.5 then | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ALS<threshold; then echo "low brightness after sending stop using $controlfile. Now pausing until brightness comes back, or user hits ^C" | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | just make sure your fingers are fast | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | ALS = automatic light sensor I guess? | 23:05 |
| alterego | So, you have a set of 100; you device the set into half, you fire the first half, then ask "Anything happen?", if they say yes, you know it's in that half. | 23:06 |
| alterego | Then you keep doing that until you're left with one. | 23:06 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: what about this error, dpkg: error processing kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/boot/zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco', which is also in package kernel | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, works for me :D | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | the idea that is :P | 23:06 |
| alterego | ;) | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: use my AmbientLightSensor approach! make sure you got a program on TV that's not all night scenes | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: alternatively use mic input to detect silence | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch to MTV then, before starting the scan | 23:08 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's not a bad idea actually. | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ideally you'd put the ALS directly in front of the TV's power-on indicator LED | 23:09 |
| alterego | Heh, | 23:09 |
| alterego | Then you'd lose transmitter fov | 23:10 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: do i have force the zImage installation? | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | overwrite it | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas that will not pan out regarding direction of CIR emission | 23:10 |
| alterego | I'm going to give the light sensor a go ;) | 23:10 |
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| alterego | Cool page: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900 | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work fine, if you just pause the script, maybe test for another 20s for light to come back (filter dark scene in TV movie), then print out the msg and SIGSTOP the script, so you (user) can SIGCONT it on erratic detect events | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, haven't noticed mickey did this... | 23:13 |
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| trumee | Crap. Reboot loop again. | 23:16 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i device doesnt like my NAT enabling options. | 23:17 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: s/i/guess | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: hmm, a short summary of things easily to be found on wiki.maemo.org | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: so maybe start with a 'custom' kernel that actually has no custom tweaks at all? | 23:21 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: thats a good idea, going to try this out. | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure your basic procedure works | 23:21 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: How can i get the .config file from kernel-power, maybe i can compare what modules it has enabled for NAT support. | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | and base it off kernel-power, at least you have all debian/ stuff tweaked already | 23:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | RevdKathy, healthcheck - new version is in extras devel :) | 23:25 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Just a demo, but tis shiny and new! | 23:25 |
| RevdKathy | I just saw on twitter. You want feedback? | 23:25 |
| RevdKathy | NooBmonk3y, will it kill my n900? | 23:25 |
| RevdKathy | Cos if not, I'll d/l it | 23:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | defintiley! :) - tis extras devel, but i cant see anything that will kill your n900 | 23:25 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes, thats a good idea. Is there any way i can get their files? | 23:26 |
| RevdKathy | Hmmm can't actually find my n900. Might be sitting on it | 23:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | hahaha | 23:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | the bears stolen it! | 23:26 |
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| trumee | hmm. apt-get source kernel-power will probably do the trick. | 23:28 |
| fladnag | Goooodevening | 23:28 |
| fladnag | :p | 23:28 |
| fladnag | Powerkernel ? | 23:29 |
| fladnag | :) | 23:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | eveeeeeeeeeeening | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: how's that pronounced? | 23:30 |
| fladnag | Doyouknow how to "change" orsomething likethat "back" to "mybeloved" overclockable powerkernel (from theone from h-e-n) ;) | 23:30 |
| fladnag | ? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, when working with kernel-power, edit the rx51_powerconfig or whatever in debian/ | 23:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, good question :P | 23:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | 18th century copper styleeeee | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | fladnag, type uname -r and post output | 23:31 |
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| fladnag | Okey | 23:31 |
| RevdKathy | NooBmonk3y, I think the bears ran off with it to call their friends an Alaska and complain about the weather | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | awwwwwwwww! | 23:31 |
| fladnag | Onemoment | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah tis darn cold! | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | did you see my twit-pics today? :) | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | fladnag: h-e-n recommends powerkernel since ~1 month now | 23:31 |
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| fladnag | Wait | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | fladnag: there's no such thing like a h-e-n kernel anymore | 23:32 |
| RevdKathy | NooBmonk3y, loved the shots of the icicles | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing he's on kernel-power, and he doesn't know it | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:32 |
| fladnag | Is ther a way to haveboth imean hen with overclock possibility | 23:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe thats outside our HQ, happens every year due to a leaking gutter :P | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | so, uname -r output | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | now | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | fladnag, yes, that's @ you | 23:33 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: apt-get source kernel-power says E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-power | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | add extras-devel to your sources.list file | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | deb-src of course | 23:33 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i do have extras enabled in scratchbox. and apt-cache search kernel-power does show "kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel" | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | deb-src! | 23:34 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: oops! ok | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | copy the line again, but with deb-src instead of deb as the first word | 23:34 |
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| fladnag | 2.6.28.10power46 | 23:35 |
| fladnag | ..! | 23:35 |
| fladnag | ?? | 23:36 |
| fladnag | :) | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:36 |
| fladnag | Hmmmmm | 23:36 |
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| fladnag | Mohamed? | 23:37 |
| fladnag | Mohamadag? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh? | 23:37 |
| RevdKathy | NooBmonk3y, wow! it's very different! | 23:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe! | 23:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | very! :) | 23:38 |
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| fladnag | I postet something m. Seemed wanted to know tobe able to tellme what icould do about my inability to overclock with hen installed ..! | 23:39 |
| fladnag | :) can someone help me withthat? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, can't parse | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 23:40 |
| fladnag | :p | 23:40 |
| fladnag | :) | 23:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws a bucket of <space> at fladnag | 23:40 | |
| fladnag | Jeahjeah. .. | 23:41 |
| fladnag | :) | 23:41 |
| alterego | Cool, well, I've found the power button :D | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | also don't ask me about OC, you wouldn't like me for the answer you get | 23:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | fladnag, DocScrutinizer is like the anti-overclock-christ...... | 23:42 |
| fladnag | :?) | 23:42 |
| alterego | And down | 23:42 |
| kerio | ~omap-oc | 23:42 |
| infobot | well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 23:42 |
| fladnag | Kkk | 23:42 |
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| alterego | Mapped to the wrong f*ing stuff though :D | 23:43 |
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| alterego | Lets see if I can come up with a decent config :) | 23:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | so RevdKathy i'm hoping your little n900 is still alive, and survived the healthcheck experience? :0 | 23:45 |
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| RevdKathy | Yes, thanks. Mo is still fine. :) | 23:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay! | 23:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | allthough, still alot to add to it :) | 23:46 |
| fladnag | Is it possible ? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be more concerned about it surviving the siting on it | 23:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm proud of the test screens though, they took aaaaaaaaages :P | 23:46 |
| fladnag | Overclocking with hen | 23:46 |
| fladnag | ? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:46 |
| fladnag | :) | 23:46 |
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| RevdKathy | DocScrutinizer, turned out it was in my glasses case. Not sat on at all | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to fry your CPU for no good reason, while h-e-n stil working until you succeed in it | 23:47 |
| fladnag | And it is harmles like bevore ? (Worst case : restart) | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? OC? | 23:47 |
| fladnag | ... My experience. .. | 23:47 |
| fladnag | Jes | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~debin fladnag | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~debian fladnag | 23:48 |
| * infobot tells fladnag to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 23:48 | |
| kerio | jes? wtf | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell fladnag about omap-oc | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I warned him, didn't I? | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | OC never was harmless | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH, cya | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, big glasses case. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | ignore anything matan said | 23:50 |
| RevdKathy | GAN900 Yeah, it was wide opne, though | 23:50 |
| RevdKathy | open | 23:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 23:51 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: you were write, even without any tweaks the device goes into a reboot loop | 23:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: s/write/right | 23:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i installed Backupmenu2 on the device today, could that be an issue? | 23:52 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: seems i have to first get atleast the stock kernel compiled as -custom to work before i start modifying it. | 23:54 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: somehow i don't think n900s can feel pain | 23:55 |
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| alterego | Cool, I've found a function that isn't even on my remote :D | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, nice work | 23:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay just seen it? :) | 23:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | still only a preview, but wow, and thank you so much! | 23:59 |
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