IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-11-23

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djszapiHow can I tell to my vim on N900 to read my /etc/vimrc ?00:12
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nox-dunno but you can use a ~/.vimrc00:14
djszapiI know, but my question was different00:14
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nox-ok :)00:14
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BCMMln -s /etc/vimrc ~/.vimrc?00:16
nox-or that00:16
djszapiafter your ~/.vimrc gets broken you will be in a big trouble and spend days with debugging...00:17
alteregoMight implement waypoint uploading via bluetooth and TCP in my app for version 2 ..00:17
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ieatlintunless i'm mistaken, /etc/vimrc isn't a standard search path for any system-wide vimrc file00:19
djszapiit is00:19
ieatlint/usr/share/vim/vimrc is the default00:19
ieatlintothers i believe are modified by specific distributions00:19
djszapiit is wiser to try out on desktop before saying...00:19
ieatlintbefore say... ?00:20
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ieatlintif you run ":version" in vim, it will report "system vimrc file: "path""00:22
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ieatlintwoo... 3min and docs00:23
djszapiI doubt00:23
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DocScrutinizerman vim; /files *cough*00:51
DocScrutinizertook me 8 seconds00:52
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pupnikhappy 5 years of 800x480 handheld linux!  http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_770_internet_tablet_with_linux-news-124.php00:56
pupnikwell 5.9 years or whatever00:57
pupnik5.600:57
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alterego:)01:00
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pupnikwe completely missed this Linux handheld -01:09
pupnik2009 - sharp's palmtop http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Sharp-NetWalker-PCZ1-Mobile-Internet-Tool/01:09
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pupnikhttp://www.pulster.de/index.htm?sharp_sharp_netwalker.htm01:12
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ds3the return of the Z?01:14
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crashanddie_pupnik: "we" is pretty large. I knew about it.01:41
Zushigood night everyone01:41
Zushii have a question related to my n90001:42
crashanddie_~ask01:42
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.01:42
pupnik~answer01:43
infobot4201:43
pupnikstupid bot01:43
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Zushianyone anxious to read about :?)01:44
pupnikask or frage doch01:44
crashanddie_Zushi: in case you didn't understand what infobot said: just ask the bloody question already.01:45
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* javispedro ponders why he just had to write the equivalent of "if (is_device_shut_down()) dont_fsckingly_try_to_wait_for_it_to_answer();" on the linux radeon driver01:47
pupnikwell this is interesting, there's a revival of the 1906 'pulse jet' to make it go to mach 401:47
pupnikjavispedro: i was momentarily stunned by if (is_device_shut_down()01:48
pupnik'how would it execute?' :)01:48
pupnikjavispedro: for your personal machine?01:48
javispedroyep01:48
javispedroI just had a stupid moment where the damn machine wouldn't shut down because it was waiting for the secondary video card to answer. a card which was of course off.01:49
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javispedroof course, this eventually caused me to hard shut it down... in front of an audience. dammit.01:49
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pupnikow01:55
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pupniki had an ati driver problem in front of an audience, come to think of it01:56
pupnikat linuxtag of all things01:56
pupnikso what happened with you javispedro01:56
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javispedrojust had to long press power button while forced-smiling :)01:58
Zushi... i did the 1.3 (8mb or so) maemo-update a week ago thrugh the program mannager and after or before -iam not entirely shure - a kernel-update ... n900 was running fine and a lot of smoother as bofore -as i was hoping for ...stupid trackerd or related processes - and then there was another kernel update some days later and the programmannager told me it cant be used becaouse dependencis or something and then while it tried to01:59
Zushigo back to the overview of availuable updates wich was taking SOME time i honestly fell asleep and the next time i looked at my n900 i saw the u-boot bootscreen but without backlite and since then a have this magic reboot loop ... i have hundrets of unsaved pictures,videos and textfiles on mydocs(27gb internal) please what should i do :?)01:59
javispedrogo to talk.maemo.org and see latests posts01:59
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crashanddie_Zushi: just reflash02:00
crashanddie_Zushi: mydocs won't be touched02:00
javispedrothere's actually no need to reflash afaik, just either remove the mmc or write run noloboot02:01
javispedrobut check tmo because it's all plastered over there.02:02
javispedros/mmc/sd02:02
Zushiwhat is tmo02:02
javispedrotalk.maemo.org02:02
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DocScrutinizerZushi: you had powerkernel and probably multiboot nstalled02:10
DocScrutinizerthis second update after 1.3 gave you new powerkernel that comes with uBoot02:11
nox-oh powerkernel comes with uboot now?02:11
DocScrutinizeralas multiboot is rather picky about how to update kernels. Or you had no multiboot installed and powerkernel update simply went bonkers02:11
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DocScrutinizerwhatever, reflash COMBINED aka fiasco aka kernel+rotfs is your best chance to fix it02:13
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mvepluscan someone check if this working? http://maemo.org/development/02:21
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mveplustalk.maemo.org is OK but can not open development02:22
BugBluecan't connect02:22
mveplusthanks02:22
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APTXhttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org :(02:23
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SpeedEvilAnd of course - http://paypalus500dollarsanditllbedownforeveryone.com/maemo.org02:24
SpeedEvilThough it looks like someones used that.02:25
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Zushithis combined aka fiasco aka kernel+rootfs you mean is it an imagefile -can you tell what filename/briefdiscription ithas?02:27
DocScrutinizer-8~flashing02:28
infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware02:28
DocScrutinizer-8has details02:28
BCMMis there anything special about the N900's USB cable, or will any USB-A to MicroUSB-B cable do for H-E-N stuff?02:29
SpeedEvilnothing special02:29
SpeedEvilit's just a micro-b to A02:29
DocScrutinizer-8absolutely standard02:29
SpeedEvilOh - it has 'nokia' printed on it.02:29
DocScrutinizer-8hehe02:29
SpeedEvilAnd a little clip!02:29
DocScrutinizer-8a cooool clip02:29
javispedrothe usb logo! a symbol of the devil!02:30
BCMMand has anyone seen a USB A female to microUSB B male cable? i've only found adaptors online02:30
BCMM(it would be the neatest solution, in terms of not carrying too much stuff about)02:30
SpeedEvilebay!02:30
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SpeedEvilThough actually -no, not seen one on ebay.02:30
SpeedEvilI've seen one.02:30
SpeedEvilBut it had duct tape in the middle.02:30
DocScrutinizer-8check02:30
Zushijavispedro sayd "run noloboot" ... (removing the microsd did nothing ithink) how do i run noloboot? do i enter "run noloboot" ? i am a linux/commandline noob ...02:31
DocScrutinizer-8~hostmode02:31
infoboti heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post86952702:31
BCMMi mean, only found stuff like http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Eforcity-USB-2.0-A-to-Micro-B-Female-Male-Adaptor/4488837/product.html?cid=133635 which i reckon looks like a nice way to break my port02:31
SpeedEvilyes.02:31
SpeedEvilstick-out-adaptors are insane.02:31
BCMMi mean the weight of a USB stick is probably OK, but it would be a nice lever if anything stupid happened02:31
javispedroZushi: if you removed the microsd and it did nothing then I guess reflashing the combined image is your only option as DocScrutinizer-8 said02:31
BCMMhmm, i've found micro b male to micro b male cables02:32
javispedroZushi: you will lose all installed applications, but hopefully not anything extra.02:32
BCMMwhich, combined with an adaptor, would probably be the second-smallest solution02:32
BCMMoh no wait one end of that is mini...02:33
DocScrutinizer-8BCMM: please check the hostmode threads02:33
DocScrutinizer-8there's a lot of nice adapters linked there02:33
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BCMMDocScrutinizer-8: it's in the two remaining pages i haven't read and i look like an idiot now, right?02:33
DocScrutinizerBCMM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=877938&postcount=40002:35
BCMMoh my more pages have happened since i started reading this...02:35
BCMMDocScrutinizer: i'm sorry, you must be really fed up of people asking stuff that's already answered in the thread by now02:36
ds3hmmm they got power working on hostmode?02:36
DocScrutinizeryeah02:36
BCMMi think i skipped over that one because i feel a bit vague about what OTG is and assumed it was wired differently02:36
javispedrods3: "they"? DocScrutinizer is on this channel ;)02:36
ds3they as in the gods02:36
BCMMor something02:36
ds3was expecting to have to do power injection sort of like on the 77002:37
DocScrutinizerds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post64933902:37
mveplusds3: I'm waiting to that option for my ext.HDD to come02:37
mveplusin next updat :)02:38
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DocScrutinizerds3: hostmode team for sure is a bunch cute guys, but at least I myslef don't think I'm a God :-P02:41
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ds3DocScrutinizer: I would disagree with that comment... at least one of them is not a guy :P02:41
DocScrutinizerack, Sarah had done a great part on the early pushing02:42
BCMMso are N810 OTG cables "special", or are they just normal cables?02:42
DocScrutinizerBCMM: also normal cables, if you really speak of OTG cables02:42
BCMMDocScrutinizer: well, i speak of ebay, so the description is probably wrong :)02:43
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BCMMhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260696657151QQcategoryZ20336QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo=SIC&its=I%252BC&itu=UCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI&otn=10&pmod=260685452815&ps=63&clkid=514385528377519016102:43
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BCMMwoah, that was more text than i was expecting, sorry02:43
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DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=878174&postcount=40202:44
DocScrutinizeror what else are you taling about?02:44
BCMMok, i fail reading comprehension again, sorry02:45
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BCMMthe first time round i didn't quite realise that the n810 can take a and b02:45
BCMMso i thought that thing was mis-described, since that is clearly a B plug02:45
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DocScrutinizeryep, a rather special and nice cable. As mentioned in #40202:47
DocScrutinizera proper OTG cable would need a micro-A plug02:47
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Zushijavispedro: HOPEFULLY not anything extra ? do you mean with extra the mydocs(27gb internal) or what (do you know where the dcim folder is located)? and what do you mean with hopefully02:47
DocScrutinizerdcim is on mydocs02:48
DocScrutinizerwith hopefully he probably meant we all hope you don't suffer from corruption of that filesystem02:49
DocScrutinizerwhich is rather unlikely02:49
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javispedroor some application storing data on a place it shouldn't, which is also unlikely so far.02:49
* BCMM rages at ebay02:49
BCMMmicro and mini aren't the same thing, bad ebay seller02:50
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Zushithats nice of you all realy :)02:52
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DocScrutinizerZushi: as a rule of thumb, a reflash of rootfs only will delete very few very special data that is stored in /etc and the like, and it will delete programs installed to /bin or /local/bin etc. You get all this back later when reinstalling those programs - the particular settings e.g for email, IM accounts, game highscores and whatnot are all stored in your homedir which isn't touched by a normal fiasco flashing02:56
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DocScrutinizerok, your desktop settings are also stored in /etc, at least parts of that - afaik02:58
DocScrutinizerrestoring using backup app recovers all of that as well02:59
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Zushiwich image should i best use for reflashing (filename/briefdiscription) ? is there a specific way i should do it (a specific order) ? can you tell me what i have to03:02
SpeedEvil~flashing03:03
infobotfrom memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware03:03
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Zushicombined image ... is it the  200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900  or  171005621 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Third Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900  ? ... both are labeld "combined" and "global" ... but only this 1.3 says "latest" ...03:11
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satmdchose the latest for your region03:12
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satmdunless there's a version HIGHER than that03:12
satmdin which case you really should complain03:12
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DocScrutinizer-8Zucca: admittedly the info on wiki page infobot gave above is a bit confusing. But it really has all the needed info. Also about the right files to download for PR1.303:23
DocScrutinizer-8WTF03:23
DocScrutinizer-8is this a +q, a /kick, or just a MEH03:24
javispedrothe what?03:25
DocScrutinizer-8away msg03:25
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DocScrutinizer-8Zucca:03:25
BCMMuh, i can't see anything03:26
DocScrutinizer-8weird03:26
DocScrutinizer-8Zucca: what's that away msg?03:26
BCMMdoes he send it as a PM?03:27
DocScrutinizer-8[02:23] -Zucca- Sorry. I'm away. Since: 2010/11/23  2:27:14 Reason: "Away - Sleep"03:27
BCMMZucca: sorry, i'm curious now03:27
DocScrutinizeryeah, PM03:28
BCMMthat wasn't a pm03:28
DocScrutinizerso what else was it then?03:28
BCMMwell, it started with [Notice] for me, and was formatted like those announcements you see when joining a channel, rather than like a /query03:29
BCMMi don't know what that means in this client03:29
BCMMy'know, assuming he hasn't work out how to send server messages to random people03:30
javispedroI saw nothing03:30
BCMMjavispedro: that's because it's only to the person who highlighted him03:30
nox-DocScrutinizer, i gues you meant Zushi not Zucca ?03:31
DocScrutinizeroh yes, ooops. ETAB03:31
BCMMthat could be how my client formats a CTCP PM03:32
BCMMsomeone send me one?03:32
BCMMi maybe be making stuff up, but what i was trying to say was, "was that a rarely-used bit of CTCP?"03:33
DocScrutinizernox-: thanks :-D03:33
DocScrutinizerBCMM: probably03:34
nox-*nod*03:34
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BCMMah. turns out i just didn't know the /notice command, largely because i'm not a bot03:38
DocScrutinizerhah03:38
BCMMnow i really don't know why both that and /msg need to exist03:40
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-javispedro- I think, therefore I am03:41
nox-:)03:41
javispedro... potentially abusable stuff.03:41
BCMMok, why can you do it to a channel?03:41
BCMMwell yeah, that's hella abusable03:41
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BCMMsince most users will've only received those from services before03:41
DocScrutinizerone thing's for sure: Zucca has a weird irc-client03:42
BCMM(it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab, but i guess it's a good thing that just identifying doesn't)03:43
DocScrutinizer(-setup)03:43
BCMM(since most people still insist on identifying by messaging nickserv every time)03:43
DocScrutinizerBCMM: use /query nickserv instead ;-D03:43
nox-DocScrutinizer, he's not the first one ive seen doing it tho03:44
BCMMDocScrutinizer: and cause the useless tab to be openned half a second earlier?03:44
DocScrutinizer<BCMM> (it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab03:44
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BCMMindeed03:45
DocScrutinizer/query does03:45
BCMMi mean, when i do it without thinking, not expecting it to mingle with the channel i'm reading03:45
BCMMi need to find a manual of "stuff IRC does" somewhere03:46
BCMMi've been here too long to still be discovering perfectly normal commands03:46
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javispedrotoo much. we should all have standarized on jabber muc03:47
BCMMbut i like netsplits.03:47
nox-hahaha03:47
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* DocScrutinizer considers a /wall :-P03:48
BCMMjavispedro: who should've, when?03:48
BCMMDocScrutinizer: does that work a bit like wall(1)?03:49
BCMMjavispedro: by which i mean, IRC is much, much older03:49
DocScrutinizerumm, yes. IIRC. On xchat03:49
javispedroBCMM: From my POV there has been a resurgence in later years03:49
nox-yeah irc is much older than http03:50
nox-and before irc, there was its `cousin' on bitnet that i forgot the name of03:51
BCMMwe'd all be better off without HTTP03:51
* BCMM ducks03:51
BCMMby which i mean we would still have IRC, but we wouldn't have Facebook03:51
BCMMDocScrutinizer: huh. i can't find any reference to wall online - i find references to building xchat with -Wall first...03:51
DocScrutinizermaybe it's been /amsg03:52
nox-and i agree with BCMM that irc > facebook too :)03:52
BCMMthe web as it currently exists is a giant step backwards, in that the content creator rather than the reader has most of the control over the presentation03:53
BCMMalso, it has facebook.03:53
DocScrutinizer-8xchat /help >user defined cmds03:54
johndoDocScrutinizer: it's /wall, but I guess you need some oper perms for that ;)03:54
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johndoand if I remember correctly you can configure xchat to send such away PMs03:54
BCMMxchat can probably be configured to execute arbitrary commands when someone highlights you03:55
DocScrutinizer-8it's /amsg03:55
* johndo shuts up :)03:56
DocScrutinizer-8like /amsg morning %channel03:56
johndooh, then it's not what I meant, afaik /wall is to send a message to all users on a server ;)03:57
DocScrutinizer-8nice way to make people angry03:57
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javispedroa PM to EVERY user??03:57
johndo(on all channels)03:57
javispedrouhuh03:57
DocScrutinizer-8javispedro: needs oper03:58
johndothat's why you need to be oper03:58
javispedroand oper > op I guess03:58
BCMMhow is that different from a wallop?03:58
DocScrutinizer-8amsg just sends to all channels you're in03:58
BCMMthat isn't what i meant to say...03:58
psycho_oreosoper can send wallops, ops can't.. oper are known as network operators, ops are known as channel operators03:59
johndoevil enough :D03:59
DocScrutinizer-8op is chanop03:59
DocScrutinizer-8oper is errrr... frenode admin03:59
psycho_oreosfreenode staff in general03:59
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DocScrutinizer-8that friggin cmd list on xchat /help makes me frown04:01
johndoxchat is a mirc clone :P04:01
psycho_oreosand you're an idiot if you proudly declare that04:02
johndoproudly?04:02
DocScrutinizer-8and the 'help' from menu isn't exactly great nor structured04:03
psycho_oreosxchat is nowhere a clone of mirc, it doesn't even support mirc scripting04:03
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lollooDoes xchat work on meego?04:18
pupnikgtk04:20
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pupnikget it lolloo ?04:22
lolloono sorry I dont pupnik04:22
lolloowhat does it mean?04:23
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lolloohey pupnik, I found this http://blog.beford.org/04:24
pupnikok04:24
psycho_oreosasked the same question in the meego support channel04:25
psycho_oreosdidn't exactly find :p04:25
pupniklolloo: it means xchat isn't integrated into the meego experience at all04:26
lollooawesome pupnik, thanks.04:26
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lolloogtk shortcut for?04:27
psycho_oreosgtk is a framework04:27
psycho_oreosiirc04:27
lolloooh04:27
lollooI feel noobish.04:27
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digitalstimulusdoes anyone know if ffmpeg encoder is available for n810 maemo?04:28
psycho_oreoshttp://www.gtk.org/04:28
pupnikgtk provides the buttons, scrolling windows and point-and-click functionality04:28
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nox-lolloo, gtk was basically the result of license problems with qt (that are now solved)04:30
* GAN900 just got an iOS software job offer.04:31
lollooawesome04:31
lollootouche!04:32
GeneralAntillesAlso: more new photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/04:35
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DocScrutinizer-8GAN900: just got a java coding offer. From a company hyping Xtreme Progamming04:42
SpeedEvilWow!04:44
SpeedEvilIt must be cool!04:44
SpeedEvilIt has an X in the name04:44
SpeedEvilI think they missed a trick not calling it Xtreme!!!!!!! programming.04:44
BCMMclearly, they do X11 programming04:46
BCMMin java.04:46
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johnxDocScrutinizer-8, don't knock it. it takes a programmer with really good concentration while jumping over 3 school buses on fire...wait, that's not what you meant?04:48
DocScrutinizer-8if both applies to that job, java AND XP, then yes that's exactly what they need04:51
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DocScrutinizer-8xp means extreme discipline to reduce to the bare minimum needed for the task04:52
BCMMnox-: worse: Linux was basically the result of license problems with BSD (that are now solved)04:53
BCMMoh, he's gone04:53
DocScrutinizer-8haha04:54
BCMMit's more-or-less true...04:54
BCMMdoesn't matter now04:54
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DocScrutinizer-8yes04:54
DocScrutinizer-8I started considering unix when bsd became available for some k$04:55
DocScrutinizer-8then I thought MEH and looked into minix04:56
BCMM"In short, XFree86 is the premier open source X11-based desktop infrastructure."04:58
DocScrutinizer-8which was extremely bare bones and iirc refused to work on the Amiga moto CPU which had no MMU04:58
BCMMi know that's way offtopic (found while looking up what that X licensing thing was all about)04:58
BCMMbut it's funny, since that is from the xf86 website, NOW04:59
DocScrutinizer-8they meant "the first"05:00
BCMMhmm05:03
BCMMis that a valid usage in modern english?05:03
BCMMalso, pretty sure it wasn't05:03
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DocScrutinizer-8NFC. I practice pidgin since school05:04
BCMM_i hear too much french to judge...05:08
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pupnikwish i could read and listen to audio at once without blurring one or the other05:11
BCMM_"it sucks that i have multiple senses, but only one language center in my brain"05:13
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BCMM_the problem is that the n900 has both an fm tuner and a web browser05:14
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pupnikwish it had a compass05:17
BCMM_live somewhere less cloudy.05:19
BCMM_(during daytime only)05:19
Choomnot exactly the same as a compass05:19
BCMM_yeah, it would be sort of neat05:19
BCMM_i wonder how big a compass is?05:20
Chooma compass along with the accelerometer would allow people to do pretty neat things with prboom, for example05:20
BCMM_i'm not sure i follow you05:20
Choomcontrol an FPS by moving your cell phone around05:21
BCMM_use the compass to work out rotational acceleration?05:21
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Choomyes05:21
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BCMM_talking of rotation, anyone else got that 3d "earth" app?05:22
SpeedEvilCompass + accelerometer gives you absolute orientation.05:23
SpeedEvil(well - sortof)05:23
SpeedEvilAccel only gives you which direction 'down' is in05:23
SpeedEvilsort-of05:24
BCMM_has anyone ever used dead reckoning to improve gps?05:24
SpeedEvilYes.05:24
pupnikthere's an iphone game where you look around the game by rotating the device, and you can rotate 360 and arrive at the same view05:24
BCMM_i mean, in the very short term, it's more accurate05:24
BCMM_SpeedEvil: is it feasible on the n900, with no real orientation information?05:24
SpeedEvilYou basically can't do it with the accel, unless you know something about the environment.05:24
SpeedEvilFor example - if you know the n900 is strapped into a car-mount05:25
SpeedEvilThat gives you a good idea of what lateral accelleration 'means'05:25
SpeedEvilotherwise, you have no clue, because the orientation of the phone can vary05:25
pupnikamazing miniturization.05:25
BCMM_you mean, if you know where "forwards" is?05:25
SpeedEvilyes05:25
SpeedEvilsort-of05:25
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BCMM_yeah, i figured that05:26
SpeedEvilIn a car, you also know about the kinematics05:26
Choomcan also do it with the camera05:26
pupnikyou'll always get drift with just accelometers05:26
Choomby tracking the environment around the player05:26
SpeedEvilFor example - that any lateral acceleration is precisely correlated with turning.05:26
Choombut that's a little too complex to implement05:26
SpeedEvilAnd that gives you course.05:26
SpeedEvil(unless drifting)05:27
BCMM_does the gps subsystem use some sort of blind dead-reckoning to smooth stuff out?05:27
SpeedEvilNo05:27
SpeedEvilWell - sort-of-implicit05:27
SpeedEvilIt uses a kalman filter or similar which the psuedoranges to the satellites and the current motion vector is fed to05:27
BCMM_i'm almost sure i've seen the positoon on the map "overshoot" a turning slightly, then correct itself05:27
SpeedEvilIt's not as simple as explicit dead-reckoning.05:28
SpeedEvilIt's weighting the current course over the poor signals it's recieving from the antennas.05:28
BCMM_that is sort-of what i meant05:29
SpeedEvilOnce the GPS signal becomes clearly different from the esitmated position, it will correct05:29
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy05:29
SpeedEvilmay be of use05:29
BCMM_i mean, it does, under some circumstances, guess that you're still moving?05:29
SpeedEvilyes05:29
SpeedEvilWell - no.05:29
BCMM_?05:30
SpeedEvilIt's not as defined typically as a guess - yes or no.05:30
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SpeedEvilIt's weighting different inputs to different ways - it's rarely as binary as yes/no05:30
BCMM_yeah, i didn't mean that05:31
SpeedEvilSorry - I'm probably overthinking this - it's closing on 4AM05:32
SpeedEvilAnd I should probably go to sleep.05:32
BCMM_i am in the same timezone...05:32
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DocScrutinizer-8lateral acceleration is worthless for detecting turns. you can't distinguish it from slight tilts of the device (plus car)05:40
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DocScrutinizera compass chip is really small, but not exactly a plug&play add-on for N90005:45
DocScrutinizeralso don't expect too pleasant results from a compass, more often than you might think the magnetic field of earth is massively disturbed by magnets or steel in a few meters distance05:47
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes you can - for most roads, they are pretty level.05:48
SpeedEvilThere are issues, eys05:48
SpeedEvilIt's about the only place where you can meaningfully use the accel for positioning - over a period of several seconds05:49
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pupnikhttp://www.micron.com/products/flcos_microdisplays/lcos_history/1973_1983_DV.html06:04
pupnikThe world's first liquid-crystal-on-silicon (LCOS) device was built in 1973 by a team at Hughes Aircraft.   By 1981, teams at Toshiba and at Suwa Seikosha (now known as Seiko Epson) were developing direct-view LCOS televisions.06:04
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass07:35
johnx<_<07:38
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vivekgHi I am having a strange problem with my n900. its in production mode(cleared RD mode). but whenever i m putting the battery in the device, its automatically powered on... i have set the flag force-power-key but still its not working so any help ?08:05
lucentvivekg: not familiar with this.08:05
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DocScrutinizerforce-power-key is ENabling this behaviour08:08
DocScrutinizerunset it08:08
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vivekgafter clearing this force-power-key also my device is booting as soon as i put the battery08:10
ds3does the current host mode enablement software catch the case where I plug in a charger with the hostmode enabled?08:11
ds3or will it happily start a fire?08:11
lucentds3: I had a charger plugged in when I enabled host mode, no fires and widget mode still works08:15
lucentds3: hostmode seems to drain power and continue draining power until you reboot though08:16
ds3oh08:16
ds3glad I didn't try it when I was away from a charger08:16
lucentadditionally, I do not posess the correct connectors to verify whether or not usb host mode is functional here08:16
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ds3the included cable + a female to female adapter should do it08:17
DocScrutinizerds3: hostmode is safe08:17
ds3but what you are describing sounds like my experiences with the 77008:17
lucentds3: where to obtain female to female adapter?08:17
ds3DocScrutinizer: what about less dramatic stuff like do I loose the ability to charge?08:18
ds3lucent: where are you?08:18
DocScrutinizeryou don't08:18
lucentUSA located08:18
DocScrutinizerand it would be just dramatic enough if you did08:18
lucentI mail order just about everything08:19
ds3well, things frying and self destructing a whole different class then losing a "feature"08:19
lucentside note, I'm also looking for USBA-M to USBA-F compact adapter with a switch to tie the data lines for high power charging08:19
ds3so if I am correct, the biggest risk is leaving the charge pump running and having hostmode drain the batteries?08:19
ds3lucent: do you have a big lots near you?08:19
DocScrutinizerlucent: actually hostmode uses battery for vbus and musb-core, but this should stop as soon as you close the h-e-n GUI window08:19
lucenthm, no. I mail order everything. I'm in a ski resort town a hundred miles from anything08:20
DocScrutinizerds3: (risk) exactly08:21
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lucentand Doc, any command line voodoo to verify if it is or not?08:22
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DocScrutinizerwhat, vbus?08:23
ds3DocScrutinizer: got it, think I am up to speed on it then. wasn't sure if the way the N900 is setup is electrically safe wrt to Vbus08:23
DocScrutinizerlucent: ?08:23
lucentDocScrutinizer: to verify if H-E-N UI is cleaning up after exit08:24
lucentI'm not sure about the specifics here, it's above what I know about the technical things08:24
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DocScrutinizercheck ps|grep vboost I guess, for making sure VBUS got disabled08:25
ds3lucent: http://www.amazon.com/Emerge-Tech-ETCABLEKIT3-Universal-Cable/dp/B00070IOK6/ref=sr_1_37?ie=UTF8&qid=1290493359&sr=8-3708:25
ds3that kit contains a F-F adapter, IIRC08:25
lucentslick08:25
DocScrutinizerps|grep bme to make sure bme-rx51-foo got started (important for charging)08:25
ds3does the stock kernel have USB mass storage drivers in place?08:26
DocScrutinizerif you find anything odd there, you can killall vboost (or just kill vboost process), and you can `start bme`08:26
DocScrutinizerds3: sure08:26
DocScrutinizerpassive ones08:26
ds3nifty08:27
DocScrutinizerotherwise selecting "Mass Storage Mode" on that menu wouldn't really make sense ;-D08:27
ds3now to find a suitable power user kernel08:27
ds3actually, do I need a power user kernel for h-e-n?08:28
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lucentDocScrutinizer: no vboost in ps output, when h-e-n is running and I've selected "Low Speed hostmode" ; "VBUS boost on"08:34
DocScrutinizercheck the name of that script then, it might be named differently08:35
lucentoh, it's a script, sorry.   I think it is now "/opt/h-e-n/hostmod" ?08:35
DocScrutinizerin htop you can spot it easily, as it's a child of h-e-n GUI08:36
lucentmy question to you was more about checking the things from a sysfs or proc interface08:36
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DocScrutinizerthere are sysnodes called vbus iirc08:36
DocScrutinizerand there's /proc/driver/musb_hdrc which has a lot of info (though not exactly self explanatory)08:37
lucentthanks, perfect08:37
lucentds3: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BSN4UY08:38
lucent$5usd-08:38
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DocScrutinizeralso a look into tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog is never a bad idea08:39
DocScrutinizer(given you installed syslogd, otherwise you'll need dmesg|tail -n 50)08:40
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lucentinteresting, how to emulate 'F5' for Tree view on htop from maemo terminal?08:41
DocScrutinizerclick the hotkey08:41
DocScrutinizerthough ESC-5 also should work08:42
lucentoh!08:42
DocScrutinizer:-)08:43
lucentDocScrutinizer: for  your reference I think the process name is "/usr/sbin/booston"08:44
DocScrutinizeraah yes08:44
lucentit's a child of /sbin/init08:44
DocScrutinizero.O08:44
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DocScrutinizerinteresting, seems I have to have a look at MohammadAG's source. He's doing a few funny things it seems08:45
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pupnikholy handgrenades, Batman!  look how small a gps reciever is now http://www.robotshop.com/eu/sfe-12-micro-gr-10-gps.html08:46
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DocScrutinizernothing extraordinary08:49
DocScrutinizerthe problem is the antenna though08:49
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DocScrutinizerif they were smart they would build a patch antenna with that chip in socket08:50
DocScrutinizerotoh who's using patch antennae nowadays - except openmoko ;-P08:50
lucentan antenna from copper traces on the board it's attached to is more cost effective, no?08:51
DocScrutinizermhm. Or brass stripes gold plated, like e.g. in N90008:52
* lucent :)08:53
DocScrutinizeror just printed to plastic parts, like there: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#327733308:53
lucentnext hunt for me is a data-tie switch for USB-A08:54
DocScrutinizerHAHAHA am I crazy or... look at the screw hole lower right on the N9 photo linked above :-D08:55
lucentat the moment I have hacked apart an USB-A-M to microUSB-M data cable and tied the data lines together forming a charge cable that works always08:55
DocScrutinizer:nod:08:56
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DocScrutinizerupper right hole seems has same funny helix08:59
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lucentha, yeah09:00
lucentwow, this is resourceful... salvage a 2-port USB connector from an old PC motherboard and wire it into a female-female adapter for host mode09:01
DocScrutinizererr, please reword resourceful09:01
ds3Now if there was only a source for a 6inch adapter micro B to female A09:02
lucentDocScrutinizer: "using things I have around my tech shop"09:02
DocScrutinizeraah09:02
pupnikthe keys on that will be mushy, not clicky like N90009:03
pupnikoh well09:03
DocScrutinizerlcuk: using one with cable is even a soldering free solution. Just use paperclips to connect the pins of the connector, or jumpers when there's a number of posts on the board09:04
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lucentlcuk: that was for me ;)09:06
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DocScrutinizeroops yeah09:10
DocScrutinizerlcuk: sorry09:10
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pupniki'd really like an 100x40 ascii terminal in one eye09:13
lucenthttp://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html  something like that09:14
lucent...except usbA-F to usbA-M09:14
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chxwhy does that thing have a switch???????09:16
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lucentchx: tie the data pins together or not; for fast charge detection09:16
chxOH09:17
chxrly?09:17
lucentmy N900 does *NOT* charge when connected by cable to a belkin USB mini car charge adapter09:17
chxI was looking for something like this then for ever.09:17
lucentI had to hack apart a cable and tie the data pins together09:17
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chxlucent: you suer that's what the switch does?09:18
lucentcertain, yes09:18
DocScrutinizerI usually fix that inside the charger, with iron + solder09:18
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chxThank you! Your order has been completed.09:18
chx:)09:18
lucent:)09:18
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chxthat will allow me to use standard miniusb cables with all the usb ports i have09:19
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chxi have a small travel outlet with 3 three power and 1 usb09:19
chxand i have the belkin brick with also three power and 2 usb but it does not work on 220v.09:20
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chxand, the n900 does not charge from any of those09:20
chxinterestingly enough, it charges from the charger of the nook.09:20
lucentah, yes that is the exact symptom of what I described09:20
chxi know09:20
chxit's in the wiki09:20
korhojoahm?09:20
lucentmine does not charge from my nook charger, funny though09:20
chxbut since i immigrated i no longer have a multimeter09:20
DocScrutinizerheh, I could offer a software fix. Interested?09:20
chxneither a soldiering post.09:21
chxDocScrutinizer: what????09:21
lucentDocScrutinizer: what's the command?09:21
chxDocScrutinizer: this can be fixed in *software*?09:21
DocScrutinizeryes09:21
DocScrutinizerbut not with a simple command09:21
chxDocScrutinizer: knowing you :) does it include installing a hacked kernel?09:21
DocScrutinizerno, not that sophisticated09:21
chxphew09:21
chxI am using Linux since before it was 1.0 but i am NOT comfy with installing a custom kernel on a device like this.09:22
DocScrutinizerhehe09:22
korhojoajust something with the charging daemon?09:22
chxit lacks a floppy drive ;)09:22
korhojoa:D09:22
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: exactly09:22
korhojoait's got a microusb slot09:22
korhojoausb... sd, i mean.09:23
lucentmicrousb is the "new" floppy drive09:23
korhojoa:D09:23
lucentwow you got me, microsd is the new floppy drive09:23
chxDocScrutinizer: so ... what do we need to do to the charging daemon and how come i couldnt find this in the forum or the wiki?09:23
lucentmicrousb on the brain here09:23
chxmicrosd is the new floppy dirve, wow, that's one small, small floppy :D09:23
korhojoabecause it's undocumented and experimental, i guess09:23
korhojoanow i'm just left wondering what a dirve is09:24
lucentI could not find this information about changing N900 charging modes on the wiki or forums09:24
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DocScrutinizerchx: you can't find it because I mentioned it first time 3 minutes ago. And it's not like doing anything to bme, it's about replacing it09:24
chxDocScrutinizer: oh you just figured it out :) ? tell us more :D09:24
korhojoaah, how is the replacement coming along?09:24
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lucent...that would be why ; how are the efforts to replace bme?09:25
chxDocScrutinizer: you reverse engineered bme???????09:25
DocScrutinizerwe got bme-free charging since ~6 months now09:25
DocScrutinizerI posted a draft on tmo ages ago09:25
chxwow09:26
lucentgood work then :)09:26
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korhojoadoes it involve typing a command every time you want to charge your phone?09:26
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK hasn't started bme since months afaik09:26
chxis that when his phone last worked :P ?09:26
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: for now yes it does09:27
chxSorry :)09:27
korhojoa:DD09:27
korhojoaokay09:27
chxDocScrutinizer: so , now you type a command and it charges and D- D+ short be damned?09:27
DocScrutinizerthough you know you can "type commands" with a desktop icon09:27
korhojoano! it requires a cli! don't ruin my illusion!09:28
chxhaha09:28
korhojoawhat happens when you unplug in the middle of charging?09:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, I'll register a paypal account :-D So when I can buy a few donuts for breakfast I'll publish the virtual D+- short X-P09:29
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: It stops09:29
chxhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29051 this is the only thing i found for free-bme09:29
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DocScrutinizerumm09:31
DocScrutinizerjrbme.garage.maemo.org   -  not much to see there, but that'S where it will be09:31
DocScrutinizercya09:32
DocScrutinizerme away for breakfast09:32
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lucentthanks DocScrutinizer09:33
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chxis there http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27230 anything like this for HID profile?09:38
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Jay_BEEdoes any of the irc clients for maemo (xchat or pidgin or ???) support connecting to irc.freenode.net?09:45
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phellarvJay_BEE: Use irssi09:47
phellarvThe best one there is09:47
Jay_BEEif memory serves me, irssi is console based eh?09:47
phellarvCorrect09:49
Jay_BEEmy console based irc app of choice is bitchx... wonders if that was ever ported...09:50
mveplusJay_BEE: Xchat also work well on N90009:51
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jbtesthmm09:56
jbtesti sit corrected... perhaps it was pidgin that did not work with freenode as xchat seems to be fine09:58
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jbtestthanks09:58
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Jay_BEEgood night and good day to all10:01
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lolloois there a way to make Xchat work change to portiet mode?10:06
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psycho_oreoswhat use would xchat be if it were to be portrait when the physical keyboard is on the other side of the screen? have virtual keyboard like iphones?10:09
lolloommm10:10
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lolloogood point, let me check10:10
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cos^any ermining devs here? i'd like to whine about it :-)10:22
lolloowhat is it cos^ ?10:23
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cos^lolloo: i have 2 calendars enabled at google. it always selects the wrong one in settings10:24
cos^if i change it, it always resets to the wrong one10:24
lolloook, I will try it on my side.10:25
lollooit shouldn't change10:25
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yaccpsycho_oreos, no insult meant, but xchat is rather useless on the small n900 display anyway, ..10:32
Surfaoh well, as useless as irssi and other irc clients imo10:33
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psycho_oreosyacc, indeed but when you're on the go and with most apps are designed to be mostly to be run in landscape mode.. some things people say makes you ponder the useful-ness of so and so app in portrait mode when the app originally has difficulty squeezing its functionality into landscape mode10:34
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gyerotSurfa: terminal irc clients make more sense, at least you can turn off most of the interface and make font smaller10:36
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psycho_oreosgreat for people with short sightedness.. you can see who would be squinting at their device trying to make sense of each word as its displayed on the minuscule font.. and probably be laughed at by iphone owners10:38
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gyerotwhich incidentally has half the screen capacity...10:39
psycho_oreosindeed, space at a premium, lets sacrifice our eyes in the process of saving some screen's `white areas'10:39
psycho_oreoss/areas/spaces/10:40
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: indeed, space at a premium, lets sacrifice our eyes in the process of saving some screen's `white spaces'10:40
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gyerotok, I connected here on n900 using weechat, and I can see just ine using default font size10:42
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jacekowskiweechat isn't the best thing for irc10:45
gyerotwhat do you suggest then, irssi?10:46
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Termanaxchat10:47
TermanaThat's what jacekowski recommends as well10:47
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gyerotcan you use it over ssh so your irc session isn't depenedent on your shitty gprs connection?10:48
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Termanagyerot, i guess you could with X11 forwarding (?) - or you know, set up a bouncer10:48
gyerotand pay triple for X11 data transfer :-)10:49
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sjkirssi is fine on the n90010:54
Termanagyerot, well then you could set up psybnc on your server10:54
Termanasjk, LIES10:54
Termana:p10:54
sjkI'm using it as we speak :)10:54
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DocScrutinizer51bip or znc FTW10:55
sjkBut then again, I've used it for years and cannot really be arsed to try something new. :)10:55
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pupnik_someone should name their kid 'doctor'11:07
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yaccpsycho_oreos, yeah, but for irc I've found that installing the irc modules into pidgin works much better for me. Enough IRC support, NickServ support with some tricks, and overall a better experience on a 800x480 display than xchat.11:09
yaccpsycho_oreos, but then pidgin has had a basic workover for the n900/maemo I think ;)11:10
DocScrutinizerhah11:11
DocScrutinizerwhat's wrong with xchat?11:11
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DocScrutinizer(... at least you can turn off most of the interface and make font smaller) sounds like xchat to me11:12
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summelThe website at meego.com contains elements from the site thenokiablog.com, which appears to host malware11:32
summel:o11:32
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timeless_mbpsummel: wrong channel11:34
summelyes11:34
summel:D11:34
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Venemo_N900hi11:37
Venemo_N900is there an FTP client for Maemo?11:38
RobbieThe1stGoogle search "ftp maemo" first result: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5533611:38
Venemo_N900RobbieThe1st: thanks! :)11:41
RobbieThe1stnp11:42
timeless_mbpRobbieThe1st: you should use lmgtfy11:42
timeless_mbpthe n900 supports it :)11:42
RobbieThe1stTrue, but that takes too long.11:43
RobbieThe1stI have Google in my firefox bar; easier to just google it than to google it, paste it into lmgtfy, then post it in here acting like a smartass11:43
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JaffaMorning, all11:50
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Venemo_N900morning Jaffa11:51
Venemo_N900~seen MohammadAG11:56
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Venemo_N900where is infobot?11:59
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psycho_oreospinged out12:00
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Venemo_N900:(12:01
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tybollt RobbieThe1st> I have Google in my firefox bar; easier to just google it than to google it12:18
tybolltI like that12:19
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RobbieThe1stYou know what I meant.. But that -was- a good find12:22
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timeless_mbpteach a man to fish12:30
sivangmorning all12:31
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lolloohahaha timeless_mbp12:32
lolloothe quote from the meego conference12:32
timeless_mbp?12:33
lollooteach a man to fish12:33
lolloothey said it on meeGo conference12:33
* timeless_mbp decides lolloo isn't a native speaker12:33
lolloohehehe12:33
timeless_mbphttp://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2279.html12:33
lollooI know but it reminded me of the conference12:34
lolloohehehe12:34
timeless_mbpheck, the UK even has a program named after it: www.teachamantofish.org.uk/12:34
lolloohehehe12:34
lollooawesome12:34
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crashanddietimeless_mbp, it's a pretty common saying even in other languages12:42
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: to be fair, it's a chinese proverb12:42
timeless_mbpso it probably works better in the original chinese :)12:42
crashanddiedamn chinese12:42
crashanddiethey export their proverbs by the metric ton12:42
timeless_mbpcurses upon ancient civilizations!12:43
timeless_mbpthey have an unfair advantage!12:43
lolloohehehe12:43
timeless_mbpthey can say "First Post" first12:43
alteregoWeird, two dreams about my N900 in as many nights.12:44
alteregoThe first one it got snapped in half and last nikght the usb fell out.12:44
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chem|stalterego: no dream... thursday it got splashed with 0.5L wheat-beer-coke mix12:46
alteregoHah :)12:47
chem|stis there some kind of glue or heatsink liquid on top of the omap housing?12:47
alteregoOh dear, is it okay?12:47
chem|stalterego: fine apart of the louder part of the wip12:47
chem|stalterego: and putting the keyboard back in place is a pain!12:48
alteregomicrobs' auto complete definitely feels quicker in 1.3 I've not had to clear history since I flashed it.12:51
sivangcrashanddie: heh12:52
timeless_mbpalterego: glad to hear you finally upgraded12:52
sivangalterego: I had a dream it got sick and died ;-)12:52
timeless_mbpalterego: fwiw, w/ nokia products, i think you're better served by backing up and upgrading early12:53
DocScrutinizer-8chem|st: no heat conducting spread on any part12:53
alteregotimeless_mbp: I upgraded the day it was released, I think I was one of the first to get it from tablets-dev :P12:53
timeless_mbpoh12:53
timeless_mbpthe way you wrote your sentence made me interpret it differently12:53
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: glue or kind of?12:53
DocScrutinizer-8chem|st: no12:53
alteregosorry, I get that alot :P12:54
sivangtimeless_mbp: I heard fishinig is popular in Finland12:54
sivang;)12:54
DocScrutinizer-8btw you opened the cans?12:54
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: ok then it must be wheat-beer remains12:54
timeless_mbpsivang: fishing, maybe. teaching to fish, dunno12:54
ieatlintwheat beer and coke?12:54
sivangDocScrutinizer-8: the NOLO boot threshold featured on the talk ;)12:54
chem|stIan--: yeas12:54
timeless_mbpif it involves talking, probably not12:54
chem|stIan--: sry wrong guy12:54
sivangtimeless_mbp: heh12:54
chem|stieatlint: yes12:54
DocScrutinizer-8sivang: eh?12:55
ieatlintchem|st, that actually tastes good?12:55
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: with "cans" you talked to me?12:55
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: excuse his typo :)12:55
DocScrutinizer-8chem|st: yes12:55
sivangoh, right, treshold12:55
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: no did not open them, but as it was on top I should I guess12:55
sivangerr no12:55
DocScrutinizer-8yes12:56
DocScrutinizer-8then rinse thoroughy with tap water, then demineralized water12:56
DocScrutinizer-8then dry for 2 weeks12:56
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chem|stieatlint: depends on your taste, light wheat beer isnt sweet so banana-juice or coke is favoured with girls (or sissies)12:57
sivangsounds like brewing instructions12:57
DocScrutinizer-8maybe put a patch of scotch on mic prior to rinsing12:57
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chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: there wont be water at my n900, I work in a labratory12:57
ieatlintchem|st, :P12:58
DocScrutinizer-8chem|st: so use demineralized water12:58
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DocScrutinizer-8no use in things like alcohol to solve things that were solved in water12:59
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: I used refined propanol12:59
DocScrutinizer-8will it solve sugar?12:59
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chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: polar solves polar13:00
DocScrutinizer-8yep13:00
DocScrutinizer-8ethanol is nonpolar, no?13:00
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chem|stit is polar13:00
FIQ|n900it is polar13:00
* FIQ|n900 is slow as always13:00
chem|stanything mixing with water is polar13:01
DocScrutinizer-8hmm13:01
DocScrutinizer-8k13:01
chem|stoil petrol and so on is unpolar13:01
FIQ|n900lol, i've a test about interatomic bindings tomorrow. :D13:01
DocScrutinizer-8anyway, open as many cans as you manage to13:01
chem|stnonpolar sry hanging in german... not used to english in a lab anymore13:02
FIQ|n900random coincidence that you're talking about it lol13:02
chem|stFIQ|n900: what you study then?13:02
chem|stFIQ|n900: sounds like highschool13:02
FIQ|n900I'm just 16 atm, so in highschool, nature science13:03
FIQ|n900yeah13:03
DocScrutinizer-8so is ethanol electrically conductive?13:03
FIQ|n900anyway, afk lesson13:03
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: kind of13:03
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: polar and nonpolar do not give any conclusion about condutivity13:04
DocScrutinizer-8will it decombinate like water?13:04
DocScrutinizer-8(conclusion) tnought as much13:04
korhojoahm?13:04
korhojoadecombinate?13:05
chem|stnot in the same way but yes, decombination of water is one of the natures phenomena, like its density point at 277K13:05
korhojoai like the smell of methyl benzoate13:06
korhojoajust synthesized some two weeks ago13:06
chem|stI use isopropanol as it is an ingredient in most elect. conductivity sprays13:07
DocScrutinizer-8chem|st: anyway, virtually all PCBA will survive a bath in coke and rinsing, if you do rinse and dry thoroughly, prior to applying any voltage13:07
chem|stkorhojoa: we call that after a sweets brand as it smells just like it13:07
korhojoaheh13:08
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: it is running fine ;)13:08
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DocScrutinizer-8how long it will depends on proper cleaning and drying though13:08
chem|stkorhojoa: that was that icy smell like chewinggum?13:08
DocScrutinizer-8electric corrosion is slow but ongoing13:09
korhojoachem|st, urr, xylitol or menthol?13:09
chem|stDocScrutinizer-8: will get a replacement anyway, but I will try to clean it up properly13:09
korhojoachem|st, what happened?13:10
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chem|stkorhojoa: it smells like the feeling you get when you chew one of those gums13:10
DocScrutinizer-8this coke candy even has phosphoric acid and is hygroscopic13:11
korhojoaookay. i just think it smells good13:11
chem|stkorhojoa: a german brand (storck) made a so called ice-bonbon13:11
korhojoaalso it annoys my uncle, he works for customs and has a drug-sniffing dog13:11
korhojoaah bonbons13:12
chem|stkorhojoa: everything smells like it for days...13:12
korhojoatrue13:13
alteregochem|st: if you get a replacement, can you send the busted one to me? :D13:13
korhojoaalso drug-sniffing dogs are trained to detect it as cocaine13:13
chem|stalterego: you wish13:14
alterego:(13:14
alteregorawr13:14
korhojoahe'll send it to me13:15
korhojoapostage to finland is cheaper13:15
chem|stalterego: I will build a wifi NAS-mediacenter if I can keep it13:15
alteregochem|st: well, if you can deal with the tin sound and bubbles fine :P13:16
chem|sttin sound and bubbles?13:16
alterego(The sound of it submerged) :P13:17
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chem|stalterego: I won't put it in an aquatank13:24
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jase21what webhost is good to have an ssh proxy?13:37
jase21May told that they use ssh to get into irc.13:38
FauxFauxNearly any shell provider will do that; pick any of the cheapish ones on google that don't have process time limits.13:38
jase21But it seems that they have rules which states that using ssh other than maintaining website is against TOS (eg: nearlyfreespeech.net)13:40
jase21Do you have any suggestions?13:40
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jase21Do I have to get a media temple account to do that? (I'm a newbie)13:43
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jacekowskiis there any map and routing ( just routing ) software that is standalone?13:51
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lbtbarisione: here rather than msg please13:54
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BCMMi put someone else's microSD card (from a camera) in my n900 so we could show pictures on a TV, and when the camera was later mounted from windows, i saw that it had a .modest directory next to DCIM14:15
BCMMwith a directory structure and no files14:15
BCMMany idea why?14:16
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DocScrutinizerbecause modest is braindamaged14:19
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i have to disagree14:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's not so bad since pr1.3 and since i've started using MfE14:22
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chem|stjacekowski: BRAINS14:22
chem|stjacekowski: are you looking for a routing solution or for code?14:23
jacekowskiopen source stuff14:23
jacekowskior whatever is avaliable14:23
chem|stcode then14:24
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: creating a directory on uSD is qualifying modest for the title "braindamaged"14:24
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jacekowskichem|st: well, i'm just looking for what is avaliable14:26
jacekowskichem|st: as i'm thinking about creating some simple voice synthesis engine supporting tomtom voices14:26
RST38hMore crazy tmo people: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6605814:27
derfjacekowski: The only one I know is Maemo Mapper.14:27
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RST38hMAPPERO from now on, and hello derf14:27
derfIt's not "really" stand-alone, as it requires Google Maps to do the routing.14:28
derfRST38h: That is a different program, and one I've never gotten to work.14:28
RST38hMapper uses Flite for voice14:28
RST38hderf: Same thing. The new maintainer renamed it for some reason.14:28
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chem|stjacekowski: http://linuxappfinder.com/package/routeplanner-gnome14:28
derfWell, the trademark issue with "Maemo *", I assume.14:28
chem|stjacekowski: that sounds like engine14:28
RST38hQuite possible14:29
derfI know it started from the same codebase, but it is not the same thing.14:29
derfOne works. The other doesn't.14:29
chem|stderf: that has no on-board routing14:29
RST38hderf: Mappero works for me.14:29
RST38hderf:You must have some unlucky local config issue14:29
jacekowskihmm,14:29
jacekowskiso going back to maps14:29
jacekowskii could write my own stuff from scratches14:30
jacekowskibut what about search14:30
jacekowskibecause i want it to be offline14:30
jacekowskiand that's where problem starts14:30
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CutMeOwnThroatjacekowski, there's a voice synthesis ... thingy meant for routing in the repo - and I guess there's "navit", but I haven't tried that much - only seen there's also an openstreetmap converter... there seem to be quite a lot of mapping software around but most of them are tile-based(?)14:30
jacekowskiyep14:31
jacekowskii want proper working navigation14:31
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SpeedEvilOSM has vector based offline routers.14:32
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SpeedEvilThe data quality is regrettably often an issue in many places though14:32
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derfOffline routing would be totally awesome.14:33
derfBut getting access to high-quality routing data seems... problematic.14:33
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jacekowskiwell, problems are14:34
jacekowskioffline map14:34
jacekowskisolution: copy of osm data for specific country somewhere on phone14:34
derfYeah, Maemo Mapper already lets you download map tiles.14:34
CutMeOwnThroatSpeedEvil, right, I guess so - the places I was living at were pretty well mapped, though... but I bet if you're outside Europe/US/Canada and some others quality drops dramatically14:35
jacekowskitiles are useless for routing14:35
derfI agree.14:35
jacekowskioffline routing: cpu intensive ( but tomtom can do it in seconds )14:35
derfRouting data != maps.14:35
jacekowskiwell, routing data == maps14:35
jacekowskiif you have streets as vectors14:35
jacekowskithen you can generate maps based on it14:35
jacekowskisearch is a problem14:36
CutMeOwnThroatI've still not tried all map-applications in the repos... one problem is that each downloads their own maps... quite a drain on space14:36
CutMeOwnThroatwould be good to write up a comparison, though... I'm also looking for something that is standalone...14:37
lcukcloudgps is AWESOME.  it has the fastest smoothest slickest rendering of all mapping apps I have seen on the n90014:37
CutMeOwnThroatwell, the pre-installed one on the N900 seems to be mostly standalone14:37
* lcuk spent a lot of time talking with Damion at the conf :)14:37
jacekowskilcuk: java?14:37
CutMeOwnThroatbut it's still trying to connect to the network every 5 minutes, which is pretty annoying14:38
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lcukjacekowski, c with intelligent gl handling :)14:38
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lcukworks really well14:38
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lcukREALLY well14:38
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jacekowskihmm, tile based14:39
jacekowskibackend would have to be redone to base it on vectors14:39
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lcukjacekowski, its also got the slickest landscape/portrait transition I have seen to date :)14:41
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jacekowskiwell, if you are using opengl hardware for it14:42
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jacekowskithen you just move camera and hardware deals with it14:42
jacekowskibut i'm looking at osm data14:43
jacekowskiand it's still too incomplete for routing purposes14:43
CutMeOwnThroatheh, with camera and gps the N900 wouldn't be too bad a device for steering cars14:43
jacekowskii'm not talking about that camera14:44
jacekowskii'm talking about virtual camera in opengl14:44
CutMeOwnThroati know... the word just triggered the thought14:44
* SpeedEvil wonders if any cars have the power steering on the CAN bus.14:46
chem|stjacekowski: http://www.luckygps.com/14:46
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's mechanical stuff mostly14:47
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but you can get data out of it14:47
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CutMeOwnThroatjacekowski, "cachetts" was meant to create speech for routing - if you try it, tell me what it does :)14:47
SpeedEviljacekowski: yeah14:47
chem|stSpeedEvil: newer cars variate the vacuum used to support brakeing and trim the powerstearing14:49
SpeedEvilyeah14:49
* MohammadAG wants a non-power steering car14:50
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* SpeedEvil passes MohammadAG a model-T rex.14:52
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: i don't have power steering15:02
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luke-jrhow do you drive w/o power steering? :/15:07
Surfaluke-jr, easily15:07
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Surfaone can drive huge russian off-road truck without one (done that)15:07
luke-jreasier than on a power-steering-vehicle with broken power steering?15:07
luke-jr(which in my experience is fairly difficult)15:08
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, summon infobot15:10
MohammadAGjacekowski, how old?15:11
* alterego is quite pround of his telemetry streaming framework.15:12
alteregoIt now handles UDP unicast or broadcast, TCP client or server configurations, and now I'm gonna fix my bluetooth implementation so it can handle bluetooth slave & master roles.15:13
alteregoI think that should satisfy everyones need.15:13
* MohammadAG wants to use the N900 as a BT headset15:14
alteregoMohammadAG: for what? :P15:14
alteregoI wanted to use my laptop as a headset for my N900 ..15:14
MohammadAGstuff that needs a quick BT mic15:14
MohammadAGPS3 would be one15:14
alteregoIt would be nice.15:15
alteregoTo have a swiss army knife, oh yes, it would be nice.15:16
MohammadAGnohands - Makes the N900 act as HFP bluetooth15:17
MohammadAGnot sure what that is tbh, haven't seen any threads about it15:17
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AppiahMohammadAG: me too15:30
AppiahI tried messing with bluez but dont remeber where I left it15:31
* Appiah adds it to the long todo list15:31
chem|stluke-jr: driving a car without native powerstearing is much easier than a car with broken powerstearing!15:32
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RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/symbian_history_part_one_dark_star/15:37
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niqI'm trying and failing to install EasyDebian on maemo15:43
niqIs there a way to get error messages from it?15:43
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alteregoAnyone here know what 'vrace' means in wireshark in relation to: 'Dst Port: vrace (9300)' ?15:45
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ieatlintit's port 9300, with a description of "vrace" as the common service that uses that port15:49
alteregoOoo, right :)15:50
ieatlinta search on google says "Virtual Racing Service" ... dunno wtf that is15:50
alteregoMaybe I should use a different port ^.^15:50
alteregoOr not, I don't care, it's configurable by the user anyway ^.^15:50
RST38hIt is a special service for racing conditions!15:51
alteregoHeh15:51
alteregoPerfect for what I have in mind then :D15:51
RST38hYou want to create some racing conditions and...eh...race them?15:52
alteregoYou can use my app in a race, during your journey it'll send GPS telemetry over the network.15:52
alterego;)15:52
RST38hAh15:52
* RST38h remembers working on a project like that15:52
RST38hThe vehicles have been...a bit unconventional though15:52
* niq developed an app like that back in 1988/9 ...15:53
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niqbut it was only for big-budget clients back then ... and we had to get the software into a 128k ROM :)16:00
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: 11 years16:11
jacekowskiMohammadAG: but you can disable power steering in any modern car16:12
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ieatlintyeah, just go to the top of a hill, put it in neutral, turn off the engine and have fun16:24
ieatlint:P16:24
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Corsachmhm, does someone know about a sharing plugin for zimagez?16:53
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crashanddie"put it in neutral" gnarf gnarf gnarf17:17
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DocScrutinizer~status17:33
infobotSince Mon Nov 22 23:32:45 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 26 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 37 commands.  I have been awake for 16h 56s this session, and currently reference 117490 factoids.  I'm using about 20208 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 144.5/3.55 child 0/017:33
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kerioinfobot: what is foobar17:41
infobot$$%$%17:41
keriohmm17:41
kerioinfobot: what is asdjhajgh17:41
infobotkerio: I think you lost me on that one17:41
kerio~status17:41
infobotSince Mon Nov 22 23:32:45 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 28 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 39 commands.  I have been awake for 16h 8m 38s this session, and currently reference 117490 factoids.  I'm using about 20208 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 146.64/3.73 child 0/017:41
keriohow's that not a dunno?17:41
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johnsqHi17:47
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mikki-kun0 morons? lol :D18:14
crashanddie~moron mikki-kun18:16
mikki-kun:(18:16
mikki-kun/ignore crashanddie18:16
crashanddie~nickometer RST38h18:16
infobot'RST38h' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie18:16
crashanddie~nickometer w00t_18:16
infobot'w00t_' is 37.000% lame, crashanddie18:16
X-FadeHehe, that bot really does a lot of things :)18:18
crashanddiebut some of them are expressly...18:18
crashanddie~useless18:18
* infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :(18:18
WakiMiko~version18:19
infobot[version] Kernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d18:19
mikki-kunhey, out of my corner infobot!18:19
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crashanddieI love applications that segfault when you ask them to exit18:22
crashanddieIt's like they really take their job at heart, trying to do everything really in depth18:22
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septiqHello, can i download somewhere old packages "cleaned by repository management" ? actually I need old kernel-power packages as new ones break the camera :(18:27
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DocScrutinizer51~uptime18:29
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septiqmaybe someone who has not updated still have kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb, kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb and kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb in his apt cache ?18:30
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korhojoahey guys18:32
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korhojoadoes the n900 require a sim card to be updated?18:32
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DocScrutinizer51mo18:36
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korhojoaDocScrutinizer51, is that a 'no' ?18:37
BCMMkorhojoa: depends if you have wifi :)18:37
DocScrutinizer51oops, it's not?18:37
korhojoai don't understand why everyone keeps asking if i have wifi18:38
korhojoai'm trying to flash it with the NSU18:38
korhojoabut it won't find my damn phone18:38
DocScrutinizer51haha18:38
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korhojoathe cli flasher doesn't work under 7-x6418:38
korhojoaand virtual pc is of no help18:38
korhojoacli flasher works under virtual pc18:38
DocScrutinizer51general advice: remove sim and uSD before flashing18:39
korhojoabut getting it to do it's thing requires multiple retries of plugging it in and out and waah18:39
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korhojoaokay, well. they're out18:39
DocScrutinizer51flashing is not updating though18:39
korhojoai didn't remove my sim last time18:39
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korhojoai know. i'm doing it because it bricked itself while updating18:39
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korhojoaurgh18:40
korhojoafuck this, that thing isn't working. virtual pc and bothersome flasher it is18:40
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korhojoawhy is that thing so bad? it wouldn't flash my E61 either18:40
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cybeanyone here know where this n900 part belongs? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/838458/Screen%20shot%202010-11-23%20at%2018.24.32%20PM.png I believe it has something to do with the pen holder18:41
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DocScrutinizer51USB access thru virtualzation layer ->trouble18:42
korhojoaDocScrutinizer51, well. what's a user going to do?18:42
DocScrutinizer51use a live linux CD :-P18:42
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ed-eddyHi, when I switch my n800 to adhoc mode it only works on 11Mbps speed18:43
MOUDHello18:43
ed-eddyis there some way to change the speed18:43
ed-eddylike iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M18:43
MOUDIs there a way to install J2ME on nokia n900?18:43
ed-eddypupnik_: Hi18:43
thpMOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/Microemulator18:44
pupnik_i don't know ed-eddy18:45
MOUDthp: thanks, ill check18:45
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ed-eddypupnik_: sorry had to change my nick, I am sougata18:46
pupnik_hope you're having a nice day ed-eddy18:47
mykhali'm still not too clear on how a sim card works. how much do i have to pay for one? will it cost me to use internet/phone/sms on the nokia n900. can anyone explain all of this to me in laymans terms?18:49
ed-eddypupnik_: thank you, and I wish the same from you. Did you try to play with iwconfig in nx00 maemo devices18:49
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pupnik_http://www.google.de/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ad-hoc+mode+limited+to+11mbps18:50
pupnik_ed-eddy:18:50
pupnik_normal behavior18:50
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ed-eddypupnik_: I have installed iwconfig into my n800 tablets and I have connected a couple of them in adhoc mode, but when I see the connection, its 11mbps18:52
DocScrutinizer51mykhal: nothying is for free. On currency and amount  check the website of your favourite SIM provider18:53
ed-eddypupnik_: that is working in 802.11b specf, but the wifi interface supports 802.11bg , so I am trying to change the rate to 54Mbps18:53
korhojoahmm, guys, does the n900 accept power over usb while flashing?18:53
mykhalDocScrutinizer51: thank you18:53
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pupnik_ed-eddy: let us know if you have any success18:55
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ed-eddypupnik: sure18:55
Tscheesy_korhojoa: i did once a reflash with a nearly empty  akku.. did not feel comfotrable while dooing it.. i guess it doesn't18:56
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DocScrutinizer51it does not18:58
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korhojoait does not?18:59
DocScrutinizer51NOLO does no charging, no matter if in flashing mode or anything else18:59
korhojoaokay18:59
korhojoaso i guess i'll have to wait a while to let it charge up19:00
DocScrutinizer51yes, on a working system19:00
pupnikhttp://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/307/p/55300/196610.aspx   ed-eddy Texas Instruments omap3 WIFI FAQ19:00
korhojoayou know your phone is a bit messed up when you press the power button and don't get the slide-to-unlock screen19:00
DocScrutinizer51I.E *flashing* amber LED19:00
korhojoa:D19:00
MohammadAGstuck fixing a windows laptop19:01
MohammadAGdoes windows log start ups, at all....19:02
korhojoa20% should be fine, right?19:02
* MohammadAG stabs Windows19:02
korhojoadoesn't take that long to flash it.19:02
* MohammadAG flashed on 2-5% give or take a few19:02
korhojoahaha19:02
Tscheesy_korhojoa: the more the better for your nerves19:02
korhojoaso update time!19:02
korhojoahm19:03
korhojoai pulled out the battery19:03
korhojoaat a very opportune time?19:03
korhojoaand now the phone is booting19:03
korhojoawithout the battery19:03
korhojoahow did this happen19:03
korhojoaover usb, even19:03
MohammadAGbroken kernel probably19:03
MohammadAGi've had it before, eventually it'll turn off19:04
MohammadAGthe screen pulls more power than the USB cable can provide (or so I've guessed)19:04
korhojoawell, not really19:04
korhojoait works just fine :D19:04
MohammadAGo_O19:04
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korhojoamy motherboard is funky19:04
korhojoai've noticed it allowing ~3A over a usb port19:04
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korhojoawill it go bad if i uh, pull the plug?19:05
korhojoaor what's the best option here19:05
MohammadAGdo you have children? :P19:05
* NooBmonk3y waves19:05
NooBmonk3yoooo nana's19:05
korhojoaMohammadAG, i sure hope not19:06
Tscheesy_did anyone try on the n900 kubuntu-mobile ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz19:06
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MohammadAGnothing to worry about then19:06
korhojoahaha oh wait19:06
korhojoait wasn't plugged in to the computer19:06
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korhojoai forgot i switched to the charger19:06
korhojoaso apparently the charger was booting the phone??19:06
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Tscheesy_Wrong link - i meant this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/releases/10.10/release/kubuntu-mobile-10.10-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap.img.gz19:08
DocScrutinizer51korhojoa: bloody charge your battery and stop wondering why it booted19:08
cybesorry guy, asking one more time: anyone here know where this n900 part belongs? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/838458/Screen%20shot%202010-11-23%20at%2018.24.32%20PM.png I believe it has something to do with the pen holder19:08
DocScrutinizer51korhojoa: I strongly recommend you *completely* charge your battery prior to flashing19:09
korhojoaeh. it flashed fine :>19:09
Tscheesy_^^19:09
korhojoai forgot it was that quick19:09
korhojoathat was like 1½ minute19:09
korhojoaalso, now no more r&d mode, and the booting dots move at a normal pace, not jumping back and forth19:10
DocScrutinizer51meh, nobody cares19:10
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DocScrutinizer51even your 'flashed fine' staement is rather... [beeep] as obviously you didn't verify it boots. So how do you know?19:12
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korhojoaDocScrutinizer51, i said that after that it had booted19:14
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ed-eddypupnik: Thank you, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP35x_Wireless_Connectivity_FAQ#How_to_configure_Auto.2FManual_connection_mode_in_tiwlan.ini_file.3F19:14
lpjhjdhtrying to run sb2-init and I'm getting an error about bash being of the wrong elf class (64).  Seems to execute ok but then when I run sb2 -e I get an error that /bin/sh is not found19:14
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ed-eddyI guess need to figure  out tiwlan.ini file19:15
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pupniked-eddy: are you sure that 54mbps ad-hoc is possible to achieve?19:16
DocScrutinizer51korhojoa: and what would you have done if flashing had aborted half way?19:16
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korhojoataken it to be flashed?19:17
ed-eddypupnik: no I am not sure, I just that there is a 802.11bg card , and it operates on 54mbps in infrastructure more when connecting with an Acess point , was just curious why its not working in the same for adhoc mode19:18
DocScrutinizer51yeah. So you understand we're simply not interested on whatever 'flashing succeeded on xy percent low battery' stories19:18
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DocScrutinizer51there's a reason why everywhere there are warnings you must charge battery prior to flashing19:20
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the IRS is going to be contacting me imminently now. :P19:22
pupniked-eddy: but the ad-hoc spec only defines 11mbps19:22
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DocScrutinizer51when MohammadAG says 'flashed on 5%' then he omits he got an external charger to recovr from a failed flash19:23
ed-eddypupnik: Ahaa, can you please give me the link of the spec. WHY ? :(19:23
ed-eddypupnik: i am heart broken19:24
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, no, i was just on "battery low"19:26
MohammadAGas bme reports19:26
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ed-eddypupnik: Ya I read in a paper that they only support 11Mbps in adhoc mode, :( . Did you read it from the specks ?19:27
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NooBmonk3yhmmmmmm is it possible to trim an integer?19:28
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NooBmonk3yi'm reading the pointer x and y position and they are being read into an int as " xx " and " yy "19:29
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: eh? how does that chane the fact you got an external battery charger at your disposal?19:29
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pupniked-eddy: i don't know if the N900 chip can do 54mbps19:30
thpNooBmonk3y: trim an integer?19:30
NooBmonk3ywell it's giving me spaces19:30
ed-eddypupnik: i think they should, when the hardware supports it19:30
thpNooBmonk3y: which language?19:30
NooBmonk3y a = QString::number(event->globalX());19:30
ed-eddypupnik: Thank you for the help gain19:30
NooBmonk3yqt19:30
NooBmonk3yc++ i assume19:30
ed-eddypupnik: *again19:31
pupniknp19:31
NooBmonk3ya seems to equal " x "19:31
NooBmonk3yrather than "x"19:31
NooBmonk3yoh19:31
NooBmonk3yffs19:31
NooBmonk3yhang on19:31
NooBmonk3yc = event->globalX();19:31
NooBmonk3y(ignore the string one)19:31
NooBmonk3yc = " x " rather than "x"19:31
thpwhat's the return type of globalX ?19:31
thp(and the type of c)19:31
NooBmonk3yvoid pixelWindow::mouseMoveEvent( QMouseEvent *event)19:32
NooBmonk3yso when you press a co-ordinate i'm trying to read it in to an int :)19:32
NooBmonk3yi then do some maths on the int and want to draw a circle round the pointer position19:32
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NooBmonk3yso eventually it is - painter.drawEllipse(c, d, 40, 40);19:33
thpevent->globalX() already returns an int.. there can be no spaces in an int :p19:33
NooBmonk3ybut instead of sending (0,0,40,40) it sends ( 0 , 0 , 40,40)19:33
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmm19:33
NooBmonk3yokies, brb19:33
NooBmonk3ywill try again19:33
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thpNooBmonk3y: maybe you want x() and y() instead of globalX() and globalY()19:35
DocScrutinizer51I just can't believe the compiler won't throw warnings on that19:35
NooBmonk3yahhh ok :)19:35
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NooBmonk3yhmm no member X and Y, hold on will pastebin it19:36
DocScrutinizer51NooBmonk3y: you can't trim an integer as an integer can't hold any chars you could trim19:36
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer,  you're behind the times :P19:36
DocScrutinizer51uhuh19:37
NooBmonk3y;)19:37
NooBmonk3ybut thank you19:37
NooBmonk3ythp http://pastebin.com/HABzVPBy19:37
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NooBmonk3yi'm using global variables to transfer but probably not a sensible way19:37
* DocScrutinizer51 bows down for NooBmonk3y and his superior coding skills19:37
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer, when that happens, hell will freeze over i'm sure ;)19:38
thpNooBmonk3y: how do you declare a, b, c and d? (which type)19:38
NooBmonk3yQString a;19:38
NooBmonk3yQString b;19:38
NooBmonk3yint c;19:38
NooBmonk3yint d;19:38
CaCO3Hi all19:38
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NooBmonk3yhi CaCO319:38
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CaCO3I have a question to the auto builder. When I use architecture=armel, then my app runs fine, but it will not compile a version for i386 (obviously). But when i use architecture=all, it builds for both architectures, but it will not run on armel19:39
NooBmonk3yCaCO3, use any19:40
CaCO3:) ok thank19:40
NooBmonk3y:)19:40
NooBmonk3yomg i think i knew something, i can see hell freezing over19:40
CaCO3i saw that other apps use "all", so i copied that19:40
thpNooBmonk3y: http://pastebin.com/2NKL1XKG19:40
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thpNooBmonk3y: you also might not want to call QWidget::paintEvent() after your drawings (but before), so your drawings do not get overdrawn19:41
NooBmonk3ythey need to get over drawn :)19:41
NooBmonk3ythank you very much thp19:42
thpNooBmonk3y: does it work?19:42
NooBmonk3yjust testing :)19:42
NooBmonk3yhmmm its drawing the circle but at 0,019:43
NooBmonk3ynot wher ethe pointer was :|19:43
NooBmonk3y / is19:43
thpNooBmonk3y: is the label filled with the correct coordinates?19:43
NooBmonk3ybut the label is working :)19:43
NooBmonk3yyup19:44
thpNooBmonk3y: do qDebug() << c; in the paintEvent and see if the value is still okay there19:44
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NooBmonk3ythp http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/3f2vakel/Selection_005.png19:45
NooBmonk3yc = 459 d=19019:47
NooBmonk3ylooks fine to me, hmmmmmmmmm19:47
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NooBmonk3y(neither have spaces, sorry i put that in)19:47
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thpNooBmonk3y: what you could try is translate the coordinate system using -c and -d and then draw the ellipse at (0,0)19:48
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmm19:48
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user____does fmms work?19:50
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luke-jruser____: no19:50
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user____luke-jr: not even a little?19:51
luke-jrmaybe if you're lucky19:51
luke-jrand the stars are in alignment19:51
user____I really want this mms19:52
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NooBmonk3ylol luke19:52
NooBmonk3yworks fine for me :)19:52
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lolcat-NooBmonk3y: you can recive mms?19:53
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NooBmonk3yyup19:54
NooBmonk3yautomatically too :)19:54
luke-jrlolcat-: MMS is lame19:54
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lolcat-my gf sent me one of herself19:55
lolcat-I miss her and she isn't smart enough to use a real protcoll19:55
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NooBmonk3ythp, cheated a bit and did it a different way, but works :) http://pastebin.com/v6gwMuh020:05
NooBmonk3ydraw the disc and then technically drag it :P20:05
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thpNooBmonk3y: looking good :) gotta go, have fun20:09
NooBmonk3ythank you20:09
NooBmonk3yhave a good evening :)20:09
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lpjhjdhanyone good with scratchbox2?  I'm getting a bizarre issue trying to run in emulation mode20:14
RST38hlpjh: what issue?20:15
lpjhjdhsb2 -e bash gives: /bin/bash: No such file or directory \n /bin/bash: Success20:15
lpjhjdhis there some way to get more interesting information?20:16
lpjhjdhlooking through a strace log it does find the cross compiled copy of bash20:16
alteregoWell, pretty much certain I don't want to use Ovi to distribute my app20:17
alteregoAnd I'm going to put IMEI locking into it ..20:17
alteregoDoes this make me evil? :D20:17
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DocScrutinizeralterego: I honestly prefer that to whatever security framework based copy protection20:21
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah20:24
alteregoMight have to account for multiple devices20:24
alteregoFor those with multiple N900s, do I make them buy it n times or trust them to not be getting free copies for peers :)20:25
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SpeedEvilHow do you tell IMEI is from a n900?20:25
MohammadAGdamn my N900 is dusty on the inside20:27
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MohammadAGprobably compare it against tablets-dev20:27
alteregoDoesn't matter, it's not going to run on anything else ;)20:27
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MohammadAGlol20:28
SpeedEvilAlso - I'd be somewhat hesitant about giving out my IMEI20:28
SpeedEvilThough I'm not aware of any current attacks that use it.20:28
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* MohammadAG has DocScrutinizer's IMEI :P20:28
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alteregoSpeedEvil: I understand that completely, if there was another way ..20:29
lolcat-where do the fmms go?20:29
alteregoI could ask for your wlan mac, but that's dodgy :P20:30
lolcat-i recived something:@Push something20:30
SpeedEvilalterego: I forget - what is this app?20:30
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MohammadAGalterego, you know, one could make a dbus faker that sends out a different IMEI20:30
MohammadAGala qwerty12's fmtx-faker20:30
alteregoSpeedEvil: it's a GPS app that has features like handheld GPS', no mapping or routing, just positional information, track log rendering, logging, statistics and data streaming over bluetooth or network.20:31
lolcat-and I can't find my push-something i recived20:31
alteregoSpeedEvil: and it's purdy :D20:31
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SpeedEvilah.20:31
SpeedEvilalterego: Does it do fixing the accuracy of the geotags on photos?20:32
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alteregoNo, doesn't do anything with geotags :P20:34
alteregoOr photos20:34
pupnikoh look, i invented perlin noise in 198720:38
pupniktoo late again20:38
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamar#Frequency-hopping_spread-spectrum_invention20:39
MohammadAGalterego, got a beta perhaps? :P20:39
MohammadAGI'll be buying it anyways, kinda like the interface20:39
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MohammadAGtaken with N8, so feel free to zoom in on the dust.... err, details20:40
kerioyou have a n8?20:41
kerionice20:41
keriohow's it?20:41
keriois symbian bearable?20:41
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RST38hMohammad: OMG you got an N8!20:41
MohammadAG(also, why are there scratched parts in my N900?)20:41
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RST38hMohammad: it is cocroaches, they infiltrate your N900 at night20:41
MohammadAGI've had it for a month...20:42
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MohammadAGor over a month20:42
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MohammadAGkerio, it's bearable20:42
MohammadAGmore than Symbian^120:42
MohammadAGand the UI's smoother than the iPhone's (weird, isn't it...)20:42
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MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n900-disassembly/20:43
SpeedEvilWhy're you taking it apart?20:44
MohammadAGwas kinda bored, and checked the GPS antenna20:44
MohammadAGI need a new B-cover apparently20:45
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SpeedEvilYou saw that link to the spares site?20:45
SpeedEvilI dunno if the 'dummy n900' would work for you20:45
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ownta.com/compatible-nokia-n900-cell-phone-fullset-housing.html20:46
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MohammadAGnah, doesn't look like a full B cover20:48
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I might ignore it, save the money for something else, it's nothing serious20:49
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DocScrutinizerdn't see the issue with back-cover. But it seems you got a broken screw there20:56
ds3p20:57
DocScrutinizerwhich is especially nasty for the part of the thread still sitting in the slider mech20:57
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, which pic?21:00
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DocScrutinizererr, closed them. It's (barely) visible on all pic anyway21:01
MohammadAGoh, that21:02
MohammadAGI took it out, it wasn't broken, but it doesn't seem to screw in tightly21:02
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DocScrutinizer51compare closely to the other screws21:04
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DocScrutinizer51also test what's with the threaded hole in slide mechanism, try to turn in a screw right now when disassembled. unlock latches and remove antenna assembly21:06
MohammadAGI'd say the next disassembly they'd all break21:06
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MohammadAGI removed it when I disassembled it21:09
MohammadAGbasically removed everything, except the AV plug and the speakers21:09
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Juozapashi21:32
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Juozapashow to change stand by clock background picture ?21:32
disco_stuJuozapas, hi21:32
Juozapasany ideas21:33
Juozapas?21:33
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GAN900Juozapas, it's a theming thing.21:34
GAN900Juozapas, not sure where the bitmap is, though.21:34
piggzwoo, my phone has been up for >21 hours, its some kind of accomplishment after this weekend!21:35
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Juozapasit will be nice just to put another image file with the same name instead21:36
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Where_are_the_slider_screen_files_located.3F21:39
DocScrutinizerusr/share/themes/alpha/backgrounds/lockslider.png21:40
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JuozapasDocScrutinizer: thx, man21:49
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DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=491060&postcount=403 :-D21:51
Juozapas;]]21:53
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mecewhoa! Wine in qemu. Mind officially boggled.22:29
mece(Didn't see that thread before)22:30
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kerioyo dawg etc. etc.22:31
meceumm..22:33
mecekerio, hello to you too :)22:33
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kerio...22:36
kerioi meant...22:36
kerionevermind22:36
keriohow's it going, mece?22:36
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mecekerio, it's ok. I'm wondering if I want to try running wine on my n90022:43
meceseems like a lot of work.22:43
kerioi bet it runs smoothly once you get rid of tracker and pulseaudio22:43
mecehm22:44
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meceI think I'll look into it tomorrow.22:44
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trumeeI have this strange problem in Vim. If i select any text, the mode automatically changes to 'Visual' and i lose anyway to copy the text.22:46
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trumeeThe status bar shows 'Paste' rather than 'Copy'.22:46
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trumeeThis is not the busybox vi rather the full vim.22:47
trumeeanybody come across this?22:47
Choomselect the text in visual mode22:48
Choomthen press 'y'22:48
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Choomand then 'p' to paste ahead of the cursor or shift+p to paste at the cursor22:48
trumeeChoom: yes, but i want to copy text from Vim and paste it into Micro-b22:49
trumeey and p will only work inside Vim.22:49
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Choomah, I see22:50
trumeeChoom: can you replicate that on your device?22:51
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Choomwell you can always disabled xterm recognition in .vimrc by disabling ttymouse22:52
Choom*disable22:52
Choomdon't know, checking22:52
Choomno22:54
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Choomon my phone vim does not recognize the mouse on xterm22:55
Choomso I can copy/paste stuff normally22:55
trumeehmm. how does your vimrc look like?22:55
Choomyou can, however, shift+select stuff on an xterm to disable the xterm mouse functionality22:56
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trumeeChoom: thanks. Shift select works fine.22:57
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trumeeChoom: how can i disable ttymouse?22:59
trumeeChoom: set ttymouse=  ?22:59
Choom:set ttym= should do the trick23:00
Choomor ttymouse23:00
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Choomttym is the abbreviated name23:01
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trumeeChoom: if i specity "set ttym=" in .vimrc it doesnt work. However if i do :set ttym= in an open vim session, it works.23:02
Choomworks here, don't know, perhaps its being reset later in the script23:04
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Choomit's*23:05
trumeeChoom: ah now it works. i had to get rid of set mouse=a23:05
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trumeeChoom: thanks for your help23:07
Choomnp23:07
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johnsqHi23:18
NooBmonk3yheya23:19
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thpNooBmonk3y: how's your little app progressing?23:38
NooBmonk3ylittle? lol :P23:39
NooBmonk3yits a redesign of healthcheck :)23:39
alteregoAwwww :)23:39
NooBmonk3yok little compared to the big boys :p23:39
NooBmonk3ybut very well thank you! :)23:39
NooBmonk3yi keep hitting qmobility bugs though :(23:39
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thplike?23:39
NooBmonk3yie accelerometer etc does not work on maemo yet :(23:39
thpit does, afaik23:40
NooBmonk3yhttp://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-32623:40
thpat least one axis23:40
NooBmonk3yahhh23:40
NooBmonk3yone is better than none :P23:40
NooBmonk3yi'm getting 0 atm23:40
MohammadAGwhat's a good C IDE?23:41
alteregoSensors API is not in 1.0.023:41
alteregoMohammadAG: erm .. Qt Creator? ^.^23:41
thp"Note that Qt Mobility 1.0.1 somewhat alleviates this problem by not setting the data rate or output range by default."23:41
MohammadAGC, not C++/Qt :P23:41
steinexMohammadAG, eclipse with plugin23:41
alteregoSame different :P23:41
alteregoGod no, don't use Eclipse ..23:41
Corsacgeany?23:42
MohammadAGalterego, Qt Creator gives me those red/green underlines on C code23:42
steinexehm... whats wrong with eclipse?23:42
alteregoIt sucks23:42
MohammadAGlol23:42
NooBmonk3yalterego, using 1.123:42
alteregoIt's slow, stodgy and messy23:42
Corsacand java23:42
alteregoNooBmonk3y: it's not available in 1.1?23:42
NooBmonk3ywell, not working23:42
alteregoeesh23:42
NooBmonk3ybut it may be me23:43
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, actually, pr1.3 has 1.0.223:43
alteregoNooBmonk3y: you'll have to use the native sysfs interface then :/23:43
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, it may do23:43
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* NooBmonk3y is beating the rush so to speak lol23:43
MohammadAGalterego, so, any other IDEs?23:43
alteregoMohammadAG: GNU/Linux right? Or windows IDE?23:43
MohammadAGGNU/Linux23:43
MohammadAGpreferably not a K* app :P23:44
alteregotbh, when I'm coding in C, I just use gedit with a crap load of plugins installed ^.^23:44
NooBmonk3yhehe :P23:44
NooBmonk3yi wish i was that confident23:44
steinexMohammadAG, http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-cc-developers/heliossr123:44
NooBmonk3ybut still learning :P23:44
MohammadAGi use gedit at the moment, but Qt Creator got me thinking of getting an IDE :P23:44
steinextry it.23:44
NooBmonk3yif qtcreator was polished i'd be happier but if i get stuck i move on to the next bit, things allways work after a break :)23:44
thpi just hope FakeVim mode gets extended in Qt Creator.. so that it's more useful23:45
NooBmonk3ylol :P true! :)23:45
NooBmonk3ythp,  did you ever see the old healthcheck? (Well current one?)23:45
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MohammadAGdon't cat the code, it's safer that way23:46
thpno, why?23:46
MohammadAG:P23:46
NooBmonk3ythe new one is actually quick, works, and so far is about 60-70% there, and i started 2 weeks ago, (having never done c++/qt properly) :) - the old one was created in under 1 month, with never having done python :)P23:46
MohammadAGsteinex, on N900, will try it tomorrow23:46
pupnik21:48 < mru> sw always makes hw look more complicated23:46
pupnik21:48 < mru> I think it's called "abstraction"23:46
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NooBmonk3yallthough much to doc's dismay i use this place to teach me :)23:46
NooBmonk3yits really just a system information display23:47
NooBmonk3ybut came from the idea that the average joe, like me just dont understand terminal, so basically printed out all the info23:47
alteregoNooBmonk3y: it's what I'd do if I was in a similar situation :)23:47
NooBmonk3yhehehe :)23:47
NooBmonk3yalterego, i have to admit, to credit of this place and tmo.... i learnt ;) - and and i'm impressed23:48
thpi know i have one pixel that is the opposite of a dead pixel, but the rest is working fine, so i didn't really have a use case for it i guess23:48
NooBmonk3yit may be an odd may, but along a full time job, i managed to publish 4 or 5 extras apps  lol23:48
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thpNooBmonk3y: you can write quick code in python, too23:48
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NooBmonk3yhehehe thp,  the idea is to be a bit more then that, but again, aimed at people who dont know how to do it themselves, like me :P23:49
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* MohammadAG hates python, at least on maemo :P23:49
thpMohammadAG: why?23:49
alteregoNooBmonk3y: that's more than me without a job at all ;)23:49
NooBmonk3ythp true, but was very slow getting all the terminal calls, and also, didnt have an easy gui like qtcreator at the time23:49
alteregoI have one published maemo app in extras ..23:49
MohammadAGthp, sorta slowish23:49
NooBmonk3ythe fx are awfull in the current devel/testing/extras healthcheck23:49
NooBmonk3ylol alterego  :P23:49
MohammadAGthp, compare PSFreedom's python and C++ versions23:50
MohammadAG12s vs 4s startup time23:50
thpi'm already on 3.50 :p23:50
NooBmonk3ythe new one has 9 stackedwidgets, and shoots through23:50
alteregoAnd that's if you're lucky ...23:50
NooBmonk3yalbeit very messy code ;)23:50
Dassuvitutukseni.23:50
NooBmonk3ydarn i need to figure out git so i can show how i'm doing lol23:50
korhojoaDassu, häh23:51
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NooBmonk3ysome sod *cough* pursuaded me to move from win 7 to ubuntu to develop easier, have to admit it helps, but the GF hates me :p23:51
thponce it's up and running, it's quite fast for ui-driven apps. startup speed is a little slow, yes.23:51
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NooBmonk3yyeah good point thp, not great for all the terminal calls :P23:51
NooBmonk3yload up the extras healthcheck and you will see ;)23:51
NooBmonk3yits also uuuuuugleeeeeey :P23:52
ArkenoiNooBmonk3y, why?23:52
MohammadAGthp, i never tested half of my app23:52
alterego NooBmonk3y you could have virtualised ;)23:52
MohammadAGthp, i only jailbroke my PS3 twice or three times23:52
Arkenoii mean why does she hate you :-)23:52
NooBmonk3yArkenoi, why to what?23:52
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alteregoThat's what I do when I develop for windows, have a nice VM ^.^23:52
NooBmonk3yalterego, pc just couldnt handle it23:52
thpNooBmonk3y: is there a source repo that i can check out directly or do i have to grab the source from the tarball?23:52
MohammadAGPS3 has an uptime of 00:00:00 :P23:52
NooBmonk3ythp, erm, is in extras, testing and devel, no other places (old one)23:53
* MohammadAG told NooBmonk3y to get a git repo23:53
jacekowskithp: apt-get source app-name23:53
NooBmonk3ynew one, erm, i need to figur eout igt23:53
NooBmonk3yfigure our git*23:53
MohammadAGjacekowski, not yet in devel23:53
NooBmonk3yand drink less wine lol23:53
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, you're on ubuntu right?23:53
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, told but didnt walk me through it ;)23:53
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, darn you! yes23:53
MohammadAGi'm assuming your source is in /home/greg/healthcheck23:53
MohammadAGamiright?23:53
NooBmonk3ynope23:54
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MohammadAGi hate you23:54
NooBmonk3yit's on an external hdd23:54
Arkenoimy GF uses windows, i gave her one notebook with ubuntu and another one with macos, she barely noticed the difference except qip vs pidgin vs audium which she found irrelevant anyways23:54
MohammadAG:P23:54
NooBmonk3yArkenoi, my missus is blonde.......23:54
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alteregoMy fg uses ubuntu desktop on a Dell Mini 923:54
alterego~gf ..23:54
infobot.. and gf sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g23:54
MohammadAGracist23:54
NooBmonk3yalterego,  futureego? fg?23:54
MohammadAGLOL23:54
alterego;)23:54
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MohammadAGfg, try it in terminal :P23:55
NooBmonk3ylol23:55
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GAN900Ubuntu irritated me on the Mini 923:55
korhojoa:D23:55
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, anyways23:55
GAN900Like OS X on it more.23:55
NooBmonk3ythp, the source of the old healthcheck will burn your eyeballs23:55
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, make a repo on gitorious.org23:55
MohammadAGgo to your source dir23:55
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  a new one? or just overwrite the old one?23:55
RST38hMoo, GAN.23:56
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, idk lol, probably a new one inside your old one23:56
thpNooBmonk3y: "os.popen('cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state').read()" -> ...23:56
MohammadAGanyways, follow the instructions23:56
MohammadAGgit init23:56
NooBmonk3ylol thp ;)23:56
MohammadAG(instructions from gitorious.org)23:56
NooBmonk3ythp if it works why not ;)23:56
MohammadAGthen git commit and git push23:56
thpNooBmonk3y: needs to fork a process, which is slow. you should open and read the file directly, obviously. don't blame python for slowness there :p23:57
NooBmonk3yfrom the right directory i assume?23:57
NooBmonk3yheheh :P23:57
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, cause you're spawning a shell each time you do that, thus wasting memory :P23:57
NooBmonk3ythat bit wasnt the slow bit ;)23:57
NooBmonk3ybut yeah23:57
NooBmonk3yi agree23:57
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, yep, source directory23:57
thpNooBmonk3y: what was the slow bit?23:58
MohammadAGor just use tools / git in Qt Creator23:58
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  how do i cd to a directory with a space? :P23:58
NooBmonk3ydarn external HDD23:58
MohammadAGcd /this\ is\ a\ dir\ with\ spaces/23:59
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korhojoa:D23:59
thpor easier: cd "/this is a dir with spaces/"23:59
korhojoai hate escaping23:59
MohammadAGor use cd "/this is a dir with spaces"23:59
MohammadAGi love escaping :P23:59
NooBmonk3ygreg@zingelspc:/media$ cd "/FreeAgent Drive"23:59
NooBmonk3ybash: cd: /FreeAgent Drive: No such file or directory23:59

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