| Macer | blame china | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WHAT??? 10GBP? | 00:01 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 00:02 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: sp $10,000 US? | 00:02 |
| Macer | sp/so | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | i wasn't expecting it to be so cheap | 00:02 |
| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, motors are cheap. | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin cheap | 00:02 |
| Mece_ | escs are expensive | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll mount 8 of those under my rollerscaters :-P | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: battery packs are not so cheap | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | 3000mAh £21 | 00:03 |
| lardman | might need brakes | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | 11V 3 sell stuff | 00:03 |
| lardman | 10A x 10V | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | battery drained in 20 minutes | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | and if you do tricks and stuff and go to maximum rated 35A | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | even faster | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | in 20 min I'm at other end of town :-D | 00:04 |
| Mece_ | is that fast enough? | 00:04 |
| Macer | who uses batteries? go gas powered | 00:04 |
| Mece_ | 12000rpm | 00:04 |
| Macer | lol | 00:04 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: you must be living in some small town | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | Macer: weight | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | chx: not really | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, some 5 km | 00:05 |
| Macer | jacekowski: gas is heavier than batteries? | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | Macer: yes | 00:05 |
| * lardman feels the pain of a 25 kB/s download | 00:05 | |
| jacekowski | Macer: because motors are heavier | 00:05 |
| Macer | batteries are pretty heavy | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | Macer: and not as responsive | 00:05 |
| Mece_ | batteries are very good for small stuff. | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | electric can go to full speed before you notice | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | turbine + generator FTW | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus a *small* LiIon for buffering peaks | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | supercapacitor | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | much too heavy | 00:07 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, maybe self lifting glider sort of thing | 00:08 |
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| jacekowski | small battery | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | built mostly with solar cells | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | how long until ARM gets power consumption down where you can just leave N900 out in the sun to charge? | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | and it can fly for hours | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: 20 years into past | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | XD | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: n900 sized solar cell will charge n900 in 6 hours or so. | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | i mean, full size glider can glide or hours | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: is that fast enough to run it? | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | not really | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | so make similiar but smaller | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | since discharge is ~4 hrs at best | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And the backlight is usually the biggest user. | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Or the modem | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Just being 'on' doesn't use much. | 00:10 |
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| luke-jr | just being 'on' is useless w/o modem :P | 00:10 |
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| Macer | haha | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | not as useless as Macer, but still useless | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | >☺ | 00:11 |
| Macer | lmao | 00:12 |
| Macer | maybe :) | 00:12 |
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| Macer | i did pretty good with my n810 and it didnt have a modem | 00:12 |
| Macer | as much as i wish it did | 00:13 |
| Macer | :) | 00:13 |
| Macer | wonder if the wimax n810s are still out there | 00:13 |
| sp3000 | gliding | 00:13 |
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| Afteris | hey'a! best phone owners ;) | 00:38 |
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| vanadismobile | hai | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | phone's best owners | 00:49 |
| vanadismobile | could anyone pls tell me how to reformat a memory card in n900? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | context menu in HFM | 00:49 |
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| vanadismobile | doesn't work, is there a way in xterm? | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it seems it fails for non standard partitionings and for borked / weird filesystems | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sfdisk (don't ask me how) or cfdisk (maybe in tools or extras-devel?), then mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.vfat or whatever you like | 00:52 |
| vanadismobile | okay, i'll give it a try | 00:52 |
| vanadismobile | thx | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 00:52 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hm, is there any software for using N900 as bluetooth tgb? | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | My own has borked, if anyone wonders why | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | tgb? | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | er | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | keybd* | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | i saw something | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | i never used it | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | but apparently there is something | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | interesting | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | can't remember it's name | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | aw | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | simple software | 01:18 |
| * FIQ|n900 tries google | 01:18 | |
| jacekowski | with 3 buttons on main screen | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | bluez | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | k | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:18 |
| Afteris | talk.maemo.org | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | google will help | 01:18 |
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| FIQ|n900 | argh, just getting the reverse way. D: | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | that's simple | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | n900 can do it ootb | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | bluemaemo | 01:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | I don't really think that it can't, it's just BT commands | 01:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | but well, a software would ease it. lP | 01:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh | 01:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | ty | 01:21 |
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| FIQ|n900 | :P* | 01:21 |
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| Lantizia | anyway I can boot the N900 in any kind of safe mode? took some advice off someone here last night and now it's bricked (backlight turns on - gets no further) | 01:31 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hm | 01:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | ImportError: failed to import D-Bus bindings | 01:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | Nope, bluemaemo didn't work | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: which advice? what did you do? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: and no, there's no general safe mode to deal with such a situation | 01:43 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, you remember I was told to alter the daemon.conf file for pulseaudio? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope, sorry | 01:43 |
| Lantizia | you were talking at the same time but it wasn't you | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, that shouldn't cause a hang on BL blank sceen | 01:45 |
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| lardman | what % of people have Python installed do you think? | 01:47 |
| lardman | where people is those with an N900 | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 90 | 01:47 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, can I enable that R&D mode (so if something fails it continues) without reflashing? | 01:48 |
| lardman | ok, thats reasonable - just thinking about making it a dep for a plugin | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes you can | 01:48 |
| gustavoferreira | hi everyone, i don't know why but my phone (n900) doesn't play the sound of the video on the boot, does anyone know what could be the issue? | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | gustavoferreira: severe misconfig | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or hw defect | 01:50 |
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| gustavoferreira | but it played some time ago | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | reflash | 01:51 |
| gustavoferreira | so there is no config i can make to change that? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you got sound in normal operation? | 01:51 |
| gustavoferreira | yes | 01:51 |
| gustavoferreira | on both, speakers and headphones | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strange | 01:51 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, I've not lost anything if I reflash just the 256mb bit anyway right? (just app's - no data like contacts / emails / text messages etc) | 01:52 |
| gustavoferreira | and it used to play on the boot video | 01:52 |
| Afteris | any good maemo,n900 tweets? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | silent mode? | 01:52 |
| Afteris | not app | 01:52 |
| gustavoferreira | i had that on, but then i put it with sound and tried 3 times always checking that it was with the sound activated, but no sound on the boot video | 01:53 |
| gustavoferreira | (the video where it appears an handshake) | 01:53 |
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| gustavoferreira | DocScrutinizer51: one question apart, are you the same guy DocScrutinizer?? | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 01:54 |
| gustavoferreira | ok ;) | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use /whois | 01:55 |
| Afteris | hola chickas :) | 01:55 |
| Afteris | any good tweets? | 01:55 |
| gustavoferreira | i'm sorry, i'm new on this thing called irc :p but i'm getting used to | 01:55 |
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| Afteris | panovie ktos vie dobre tweety? gal kas zino gerus tweetus? mozet kto znajey harashyje tweety? | 01:57 |
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| alterego | Just registered a publishing account on Ovi | 01:57 |
| Afteris | making webpage for n900 | 01:58 |
| Afteris | thinking about make n900 maemo tweet section | 01:58 |
| ||jess| | hi. I'm new to maemo. And want to install preenv which is in devel. When I choose preenv, I see it pulls lots of depencies. How can I know where those depencies come from. If those deps. exist in extras, wouldn't want to pull those from devel, would I? | 02:00 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:01 |
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| alterego | g'moaning Termana | 02:01 |
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| ||jess| | If I only want one package from devel, the right way would be deactivate extras-devel and then just install that one package I manually and hope it pulls the deps from extras? | 02:02 |
| alterego | Yeah | 02:03 |
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| FIQ|n900 | You can download just the package, but i guess there's a better way | 02:03 |
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| FIQ|n900 | ("the package" as in, the one in -devel) | 02:03 |
| alterego | tbh, when I installed it I downloaded just the package. | 02:04 |
| ||jess| | ok. I'm just going to download the one package I need, and hope all the deps are in extras (no devel nor testing) | 02:05 |
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| Lantizia | Does anyone know every time there is a bloody update it claims it'll do it over WLAN then tells me to use PC Suite | 02:05 |
| Lantizia | which is *ucking pointless since I don't use windows | 02:05 |
| mece | dammit noobmonk3y, now I'm up too late. | 02:06 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:06 |
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| tranq | hi all, I have a QT package update for PR1.2 that has appeared in my update queue. Unfortunately, I have already upgraded to PR1.3. Are folk aware of this? Has the release team made a mistake? | 02:06 |
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| tranq | I'm not able to install the update (which is probably good). | 02:08 |
| tranq | has anyone else with PR1.3 seen this issue? | 02:08 |
| tranq | please ping me if you can repro this. I'll file a bug report if that helps. | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably because some package from external repository depends on old version | 02:12 |
| tranq | issue: PR1.3 package updater reports PyQT4_Full_install (PR1.2 only) as an available update | 02:12 |
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| Crak | hi | 02:13 |
| tranq | installed version: 4.74-maemo0 new package version: 4.75-maemo2 | 02:13 |
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| Crak | how do I change the "sweep to unlock" background? | 02:15 |
| tranq | the only external repo I have is mozilla. I don't even have extras or devel enabled. | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: lrn2trnsl8 from windoofs speak to IT | 03:00 |
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| Lantizia | ? | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | playing looping .gifs with mplayer mplayer -loop 0 -fs -fixed-vo aa.gif | 03:05 |
| Arkenoi | funny, chinese watch phone i purchased 2.5 years ago not only works perfectly to now, but the battery shows no signs of wearing out, still lasts for 3 days | 03:06 |
| Arkenoi | i expected it to die within one year | 03:07 |
| ds3 | Arkenoi: is that a quad band phone? | 03:08 |
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| Arkenoi | ds3, i think yes, most mediatek phones are quad band, at least chipset does support it | 03:09 |
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| Arkenoi | i wonder why 3g mtk phones are not widespread still, most chinese phones are gsm-only | 03:09 |
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| Arkenoi | and it would be handy to have bt 3g modem in a wristwatch | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 3G modems use comparatively stupid amounts of battery. | 03:10 |
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| ds3 | Arkenoi: do they support the DUN profile? | 03:12 |
| Arkenoi | ds3, yes | 03:12 |
| ds3 | now I am tempted to get one | 03:12 |
| ds3 | 3G for TMO would be nice though | 03:13 |
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| Arkenoi | i frequently used it as backup cellular internet connection for my notebook | 03:13 |
| Arkenoi | the sim card that is in my n900 has ridiculously expensive data plan, still ok for "smartphone" use but definitely out of the question if guest windows 2008 in a virtualbox wants to get some updates :-) | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:15 |
| sp3000 | Crak: I've seen themes do such things, I think | 03:15 |
| Crak | thanks, I found theme customizer from extras-devel | 03:16 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, google says it is tri-band (cect w600) | 03:17 |
| ds3 | windows needs to be prohibited. | 03:17 |
| Arkenoi | there is a newer version available now, but (*facepalm*) it has a fatal misfeature: while in standby mode (screen backlight off), the screen image does not get updated, making it totally unusable as wristwatch :-)) | 03:19 |
| Arkenoi | mine is ok | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: "please use FooBar winows suite to update" is windoze-noob-speak what is what Nokia thinks is N900 target customers. For everybody with a minimum of IT knowledge that means "there are conflicts or problems n upgrade the stupid SSU in HAM can't solve". This doesn't mean *you* can't solve them | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't blame *me* for the wording in this notification. I never got the point how Nokia could sell a Linux based device to a target customer group of windows gasheads | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | make it basically work, pusblish howtos for Linux geeks, try to tune wording and experience towards (windoze) mass market: OK. -- Advertise to Joe Luser mass market, tune initial wording and experience to windoze noobs, then make it work evetually: FAILWALE | 03:39 |
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| Psi | is there a free full version of angry birds with ads for n900 yet? | 04:00 |
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| gustavo-ferreira | Psi: lol, no... there is a main application for free | 04:21 |
| gustavo-ferreira | with the first pack | 04:21 |
| gustavo-ferreira | then there are more two pack, witch you have to pay for them, 2€ i believe | 04:21 |
| gustavo-ferreira | a tomada | 04:24 |
| Psi | yeah | 04:24 |
| Psi | just wondered if it was going to get the full free version with ads, like android has | 04:24 |
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| gustavo-ferreira | well, that i don't know, i just know that, for now you have to pay it | 04:29 |
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| Dorfmeister | Hi. I just installed Meego on my N900 (to a microSD card) and now want to add NITDroid as well, but even though I find many threads there doesn't seem to be a good tutorial for this. Could anybody help with this? I know it's not a direct topic of this channel, but maybe somebody here could help - I already tried #n900, #meego and the Nokia forum. Thanks in advance. | 05:39 |
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| Dorfmeister | I started the thread http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?213768-Yet-another-N900-Maemo-Meego-NITDroid-Thread If anybody should later on have an idea, please post it there. Thank you. | 05:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Now tends to be an especially dead time hwere. | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ask about 6 hours ago, or in anohter 6 | 05:51 |
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| Dorfmeister | Will do. | 05:56 |
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| Pillum | hey guys | 06:17 |
| Pillum | what do i have to do if i cant use camera after installing powerv42? | 06:17 |
| Pillum | it always says "camera is used by another application" | 06:17 |
| johnx | have you already tried rebooting (just checking)? | 06:18 |
| Pillum | yep | 06:18 |
| Pillum | flashlight isnt working either | 06:18 |
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| Pillum | any idea? | 06:21 |
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| johnx | not off the top of my head | 06:22 |
| johnx | by powerv4 do you mean the power kernel? | 06:23 |
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| Pillum | yeah | 06:23 |
| Pillum | power kernel version 42 | 06:23 |
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| johnx | yeah. I don't have it installed, so I have no idea. sorry | 06:24 |
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| Pillum | seems like the issue is already known on talk.maemo.org | 06:28 |
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| jase21 | Hi guys, Flash Player 10.0 evaluation can be obtained from Texas Instruments: http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html | 07:39 |
| jase21 | Did anyone checked that before? | 07:39 |
| jase21 | current version: v10.1.r92 | 07:40 |
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| tristan__ | has anyone installed netbeans? | 08:04 |
| tristan__ | in easy-debian | 08:04 |
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| mece | seen noobmonk3y | 10:32 |
| mece | oops | 10:32 |
| mece | ~seen noobmonk3ey | 10:32 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'noobmonk3ey', mece | 10:32 |
| mece | well what the hell is his name then infobot??? | 10:33 |
| mece | oh right.. | 10:33 |
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| mece | ~seen noobmonk3y | 10:33 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~NooBmonk3@cpc2-lanc4-0-0-cust67.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 35m 47s ago, saying: 'at least i know that part works, so i need to start again i think, and figure out this build process :|'. | 10:33 |
| mece | ~botsnack | 10:33 |
| infobot | thanks, mece | 10:33 |
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| crashanddie | ~lart mece the naysayer | 10:58 |
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| tr4sk | Hi | 11:13 |
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| tr4sk | I have a problem with my N900 | 11:19 |
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| tr4sk | When I type some text in conversation or microB, I got an internal error | 11:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh that information wasn't particularly helpful.. don't you have any detailed information? maybe try running the apps via osso-xterm? and probably checking syslog? | 11:23 |
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| psycho_oreos | is there an alternative to using scp when one needs to transfer lots and lots of data between n900 and linux host? scp is an overkill and I prefer the alternative method to work with mount/fusermount as I am planning to create a dar image | 11:47 |
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| phellarv | psycho_oreos: Connect by USB? | 11:47 |
| phellarv | And mount | 11:47 |
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| alterego | netcat? | 11:47 |
| phellarv | alterego: Lol. | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | phellarv, yeah already am using USB and I get around 2.2MB/s through ssh | 11:48 |
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| alterego | It's quicker when you use storage mode | 11:48 |
| phellarv | ^ What he said | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | though the N900's CPU is pretty much hauling its ass off, obviously ssh requires encryption | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | nope, usb storage mode only gives one access to /home/user/MyDocs | 11:49 |
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| alterego | Ever heard of cp? | 11:49 |
| alterego | Or mv? | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | cp from where to where? I'm talking between two hosts over IP networking for instance | 11:49 |
| phellarv | psycho_oreos: Why do you want it over IP? | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | and again usb storage mode does not give me rootfs access, only /home/user/MyDocs | 11:49 |
| phellarv | mkdir /home/user/MyDocs | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | phellarv, is there an alternative? | 11:50 |
| phellarv | mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/rootfs | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | binding mount? | 11:50 |
| alterego | So you want to copy files from the rootfs | 11:50 |
| phellarv | cp the rootfs to /home/user/MyDocs/rootfs | 11:50 |
| alterego | phellarv: dangerous :P | 11:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | no that will screw up the perms and what not | 11:50 |
| alterego | Heh, | 11:50 |
| phellarv | phellarv: Naaah | 11:50 |
| alterego | tar it | 11:50 |
| alterego | then copy | 11:50 |
| phellarv | rsync | 11:50 |
| alterego | better still, tar it pipe it through netcat and untar it on the client | 11:51 |
| phellarv | alterego: You're a fan of netcat? | 11:51 |
| psycho_oreos | rsync will just cp files across rather than allowing one to run it through dar.. then again I suppose an ugly script hack might make the two work together, ugh | 11:51 |
| alterego | Quit complaing and use ssh :P | 11:52 |
| phellarv | psycho_oreos: What are you trying to achieve? | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | phellarv, creating a dar archive of rootfs minus the usual directories: /dev, /sys, /home/user/MyDocs, etc | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | or a complete backup :p | 11:53 |
| alterego | You can tell it to not go into mounted dirs | 11:53 |
| Lantizia | hey my n900 doesn't boot... backlight turns on - but it just hangs and doesn't show anything - if I enable R&D mode you can see it mention the kernel line but doesn't get any further... but it doesn't reboot... any ideas? | 11:53 |
| phellarv | Use tar | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia, flash | 11:53 |
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| Lantizia | crashanddie, other than that! | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | reflash? | 11:54 |
| * Lantizia looks at crashanddie | 11:54 | |
| psycho_oreos | phellarv, dar seems to be much better than tar :p but meh, thanks for input | 11:54 |
| phellarv | Lantizia: Sacrifice a goat, and dance naked in the moonlight? | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | flash the kernel and hope nothing else is screwed | 11:54 |
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| Lantizia | phellarv, how good is the success rate on that? | 11:55 |
| phellarv | Lantizia: Success rate == Not bloody likely. | 11:55 |
| phellarv | Lantizia: But hey - You can brag about performing a voodoo-ritual | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia, after the moonlight bathing, walk 3 times around an old french car (deflated tyres), while rotating the n900 in counter-clock direction | 11:55 |
| Lantizia | I've had this thing 11 months now... bits are starting to annoy me lol | 11:56 |
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| phellarv | Lantizia: Sorry, but I have to agree with crashanddie there - reflashing seems like a sane solution for you | 11:56 |
| Lantizia | I turned on the no lifeguard thing but it didn't help | 11:56 |
| alterego | crashanddie: it doesn't work when you walk you need to hop on your left leg and tap your head with your right hand whilst doing the procedure | 11:56 |
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| crashanddie | alterego, lies | 11:57 |
| lardman | anyone fancy a state flow puzzle? | 11:57 |
| alterego | na-uh | 11:57 |
| crashanddie | alterego, you have to tap your _left_ head with your _right_ hand. | 11:57 |
| alterego | bbiab | 11:57 |
| crashanddie | lardman, shoot | 11:57 |
| phellarv | crashanddie: It really depends on the moonphase. | 11:57 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/videowidget.cpp?revision=447&root=maemo-barcode&view=markup | 11:57 |
| lardman | lines 123-131 | 11:58 |
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| Lantizia | a) the stand makes it wobble and topple, b) usb port on the wrong side, c) stupid need for pc suite (wind0ze only), d) minimal portrait, e) too fat, f) a bugger to turn on | 11:58 |
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| Lantizia | i'm falling out of love :( | 11:58 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: will be rather involved to follow the logic I'm afraid | 11:58 |
| lardman | probably anyway | 11:58 |
| crashanddie | what do you need pc-suite for? | 11:58 |
| crashanddie | Never used that. | 11:58 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, when PR1.3 came out it said "HEY LETS UPDATE OVER WLAN!" then "Oh but wait... go use PC Suite" | 11:59 |
| phellarv | What is pc-suite? | 11:59 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, yup lots of owners wear out their novelty with n900 after 6 months of owning it | 11:59 |
| Lantizia | psycho_oreos, I'm surprised I've lasted 11 months then :) | 11:59 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia, flasher 3.5 ftw | 11:59 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, already downloading pr1.3 | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | allows one to be able to manage portions of the phone, such as remote phone calling, sending/receiving/writing sms, wireless internet through the phone, etc | 12:00 |
| crashanddie | lardman, line 131 bothering you? | 12:00 |
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| Lantizia | i'm getting global as theres no uk release - should be ok though right? | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, funny how you mention your love is falling out for n900 in that case :) | 12:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | there should be uk release afaik | 12:00 |
| Lantizia | nope | 12:01 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: yeah, see the comment at the end of that line | 12:01 |
| Lantizia | i never knew what it gave anyone anyway.... technically i've got a vodaphone sim too... but it's not a vodaphone provided handset - so I'm fine with just global or UK | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, because you don't call timerOpenGL->start() in the else branch? | 12:01 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, blah my bad, though lots of UK owners claim they did OTA upgrade however | 12:02 |
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| lardman | I don't really want to continuously paint the "You need to open the shutter" message if I can avoid it | 12:02 |
| Lantizia | psycho_oreos, never works for me...always claims it'll do it over wlan then wants you to get to a windows box | 12:02 |
| Lantizia | of which there are none | 12:02 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, what displays that message? | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman, thing is, I notice that in the if branch, there's setInterval, and the timerOpenGL->start() | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman, however, in the else branch, there is only setInterval, you don't start the timer | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, wouldn't that cause the video to not start? | 12:04 |
| lardman | yes, that;s the idea | 12:04 |
| lardman | no, the video should be started elsewhere | 12:04 |
| lardman | the timer just draws the video once available | 12:04 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, heh well I did OTA update... not too happy because I was forced to upgrade and I was and still am using global version. It worked needless to say.. probably one may need to use fapman and/or enable red pill mode or something for one to see the massive amounts of packages it needs to download and install | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, but do you start the timer elsewhere? | 12:04 |
| Lantizia | psycho_oreos, recon it's worth me putting pr1.2 uk release on fresh and seeing it if OTA updates then? | 12:05 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yes, as I see a black screen (updating) | 12:06 |
| lardman | i.e. no video, very odd | 12:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, good question lol, I don't have UK firmware to begin with so I won't know after the OTA would the release version be either global or remain as UK | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | lardman, I don't see any other timerOpenGL->start() in that file | 12:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'd say check the forums, it may I suppose save you some headache if you went straight for PR1.3 should PR1.2 fail to deliver | 12:07 |
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| lardman | l448 | 12:07 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, and that's a valid call to start()? | 12:08 |
| lardman | yep | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | lardman, rather than using setInterval() followed by start()? | 12:09 |
| lardman | yeah, either is possible | 12:09 |
| lardman | the problem's not the timer, that certainly starts as I can see the fps on the screen, it's the fact I don't seem to get video | 12:09 |
| lardman | but that single line change should have no effect on the gst pipeline | 12:10 |
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| chem|st | re | 12:11 |
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| lardman | hi chem|st | 12:11 |
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| chem|st | hi lardman, how are you doing? | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | lardman, not related, but you should use preprocessing shields for the device-specific code | 12:13 |
| lardman | well the whole code is device specific | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | if (deviceType==DEVICE_N900){ | 12:14 |
| lardman | chem|st: not bad, trying to reduce mBarcode power usage | 12:14 |
| lardman | yeah, legacy code now | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | k | 12:14 |
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| lardman | OpenGL, so might one day be possible on the N8x0 machines | 12:14 |
| chem|st | lardman: a so you are already at performance tweaking, so I guess you aren't far away from a new release?! | 12:15 |
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| lardman | I've just pushed a new release to extras-devel, should be there now | 12:15 |
| lardman | and once I've sorted a few other odds and sods out will go through the trials of -testing and onto Extras :) | 12:16 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hi. I have coreutils installed. I want it to be priorited in $PATH, so i set the path in my .bashrc file. Hoewer, it seems as it's not the last readed file, so my PATH gets overwritten. If I source my .bashrc, it works fine, so it's not that. | 12:18 |
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| chem|st | "!$&%$@ why the heck is damn hildon-home such a bitch? | 12:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | And yes, the file is readed, just not last | 12:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | what if you create a symlink from .bash_profile to .bashrc? | 12:19 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: path has nothing to be in .bashrc afair it's to be in profiles | 12:19 |
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| * chem|st has no idea what he is talking about but memories back from the days he used to set them up by hand... | 12:20 | |
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| lardman | bbiab, need to boot up Windows, yay! not | 12:32 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hm, i fixed it | 12:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | thanks anywa | 12:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | y | 12:35 |
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| alterego | Well, there's a confirmed bug in Qt Mobility location 1.0.0 for the N900, which means reported speed is in kph and not m/s as documented. | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman|gone, sorry, can't seem to find the issue | 12:47 |
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| crashanddie | miles per second? | 12:48 |
| alterego | metres | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | meter | 12:48 |
| alterego | metre | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | alterego, this channel is most definitely american, so please use the real world, real word "meter" rather than that stupid british spelling "metre" | 12:50 |
| alterego | I'd say it's European actually. | 12:50 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: and what was the right way or does fix it mean just to be working but not the way it is supposed to?! | 12:50 |
| alterego | European .. | 12:50 |
| marmoute | Us or Imperial Meter ? | 12:50 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: wtf? | 12:50 |
| alterego | You might be willing to subject people to retard spelling but I'm not :P | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, did I just break the channel's sarcasm meter? | 12:51 |
| FauxFaux | Britfags unite. \o/ | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | FauxFaux, gtfo /b/tard | 12:51 |
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| crashanddie | alterego, i mostly support british spelling rules, but meter is one where I just can't comply. We even write "speedometer", not "speedometre". | 12:52 |
| alterego | That's because a meter is something else. | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | no, it's not | 12:53 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: it is | 12:53 |
| alterego | A meter is for measuring, a metre is a unit of measurement :P | 12:53 |
| FauxFaux | I have to say, I don't particularily like metre, but there's some cases where the American spelling looks wrong. Like centre. | 12:53 |
| chem|st | meter is something to measure and has actualy nothing to do with distance! | 12:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | <chem|st> FIQ|n900: and what was the right way or does fix it mean just to be working but not the way it is supposed to?! | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | "Measuring devices (such as parking meter, speedometer) are traditionally spelt "...meter" in all countries.[19] The word "meter", signifying any such device, has the same derivation as the word "metre", denoting the unit of length this article is about." | 12:53 |
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| crashanddie | It's the same bloody thing, it comes from the same bloody thing | 12:54 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: different meaning | 12:54 |
| FauxFaux | Perhaps that's why it looks wrong. | 12:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | Well, I ended up moving my forced source of .bashrc to the last readed file (.bashrc isn't readed properly if you set bash as default shell on maemo) | 12:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | So, not the correct way i guess | 12:54 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: ok ;) | 12:54 |
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| crashanddie | chem|st, metre comes from French, correct? | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, and mètre, is a synonym for either the unit of length, and a device to measure something. | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, hence, there is no reason why there would a difference in spelling between the two in English. | 12:55 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hm, i like filebox | 12:56 |
| alterego | crashanddie: there is, because French isn't English :P | 12:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | Simple fingerfriendly ui as the default manager, and includes more features | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | I understand "it's like that, and that's the way it is" -- RunDMC, however I can't help but disagree with the randomness of it | 12:56 |
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| alterego | Custom speed and bearing indicator: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101118-104918.png | 12:57 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: in case of english its is french yes and the french word is greek from measure (metron) | 12:57 |
| alterego | :) | 12:57 |
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| crashanddie | chem|st, well, from latin more likely | 12:59 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: sure there is as the one word is from german and the other from french | 12:59 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: no greek | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, so latin metrum has nothing to do with it? | 13:00 |
| alterego | Greek is older than latin, | 13:00 |
| alterego | Latin is based on Greek | 13:00 |
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| crashanddie | latin probably got it from greek, but very few french words are from greek, and more directly from latin | 13:00 |
| alterego | Ffff. | 13:00 |
| alterego | poppy cock | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | if you allow yourself to ignore Latin, then you could say English metre is based off Greek as well (you're just skipping French and Latin) | 13:01 |
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| alterego | m'hmm | 13:01 |
| crashanddie | I win, anyone who disagrees gets a 24h ban. | 13:02 |
| * alterego disagrees | 13:02 | |
| * crashanddie gives alterego a Bachelor of Arts in Nursing for 24h. | 13:02 | |
| fnordianslip | bah, at least in english we don't care what gender a table is. IIRC european languages don't even agree on that. | 13:02 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: the american english meter is from german the british english is from french and both directional from greek (and there is a difference if a word is actualy from greek or latin) | 13:03 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, yes, and in the french's case, it's from latin. | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, _not_ greek. | 13:04 |
| lardman | you reckon the US derives its words from German? | 13:04 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: would you mind to stab yourself? | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, obviously, American English is much closer to German than to British English. | 13:04 |
| nidO | i'm highly confused as to what you guys are even arguing about. does someone not know the difference between a meter and a metre? | 13:04 |
| chem|st | lardman: many english words derive from german | 13:05 |
| lardman | crashanddie: why? | 13:05 |
| crashanddie | yup, I definitely broke the sarcasm meter today. | 13:05 |
| lardman | chem|st: of course, but saying that the US English skips the English English root is what I'm wondering about | 13:05 |
| Trewas | fnordianslip: don't generalise too much, finnish does not care what gender is even in he/she :) | 13:05 |
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| chem|st | lardman: because the language english comes from the north cost of central europe + french | 13:06 |
| chem|st | lardman: they do | 13:06 |
| crashanddie | And I thought English came from the british isles | 13:06 |
| fnordianslip | Trewas: I assume you mean the language, or are all Finns bisexual? | 13:06 |
| lardman | I know where English was derived from, my point is that the US English comes from UK English and that comes from Europe, etc | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | I mean, sure, you can argue that any language doesn't come from the country it originated, but really is a big melting pot of different cultures | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | but honestly, that's quite a given, isn't it? | 13:07 |
| Trewas | fnordianslip: mostly language | 13:07 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: it is a matter of what was first | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | ok, well then all languages originated from a cry for help, a million years ago, somewhere in Africa | 13:08 |
| fnordianslip | Trewas: Does that make Finnish easier to learn? | 13:08 |
| chem|st | lardman: the vote on the primary language in the usa was faought between german and english and as likely as germans render words in their language the other way round happens too | 13:09 |
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| Trewas | fnordianslip: maybe a tiny bit, but I think the general consensus is that it is not very easy language to learn because it is so different compared to anything else | 13:10 |
| lardman | chem|st: hmm | 13:10 |
| lardman | I'll take that under advisement | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, so what you're trying to say, is that the real reason americans came to help europe during the second world war is because they all suffer from a multi-generation oedipus complex and they wanted to kick their grand-father's butt? | 13:10 |
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| fnordianslip | Tr | 13:11 |
| fnordianslip | oops. | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip, you forgot td | 13:11 |
| fnordianslip | Trewas: I guess I'll give it a miss, as I'm already useless at French and Germen :) | 13:11 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie: evidently | 13:12 |
| crashanddie | you're pretty rubbish at English too | 13:12 |
| crashanddie | "Germen"? | 13:12 |
| crashanddie | OMG, GERMEN IS THE BASIC FORM OF AN ORGANISM | 13:13 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie: er, oh. I blame either my fingers or this macbook pro's keybd, but I'm a typo spammer | 13:13 |
| crashanddie | We all originated from the germs... | 13:13 |
| crashanddie | s/ms/mans/ | 13:13 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: We all originated from the germans... | 13:13 |
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| crashanddie | Quick, we must re-write the bible to fix it | 13:13 |
| fnordianslip | i read on the BBC that the French have closer links to Neanderthals than most other Europeans | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | Jeebus wasn't born in Nazareth, he was from Saarbrucken | 13:14 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: no ramstein | 13:15 |
| fnordianslip | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip, it's classified under hi/sci, which is obviously a typo for sci/fi | 13:16 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: and as in god we trust we build an airbase at his house of birth | 13:16 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip, actually, that's the whole Eurasian branch you're qualifying as French | 13:17 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie: it says French in the graphic, that's good enough for me :) | 13:17 |
| lardman | I like the way French has been classified as a human grouping along the lines of Han-chinese | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | I like how Elitist it is, too | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | French at the top, with a house in the background | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | all the others in the bush | 13:19 |
| fnordianslip | is there a bush in France? | 13:19 |
| chem|st | fnordianslip: kind of | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | well, we do have plants, so I'm guessing at least one of those should qualify | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | or maybe you mean Sarkozy? Yeah, he's kind of a Bush. | 13:20 |
| fnordianslip | i promise not to mention onion fields | 13:20 |
| lardman | lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-11774367 | 13:21 |
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| fnordianslip | lol | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | Looking up static.bbc.co.uk | 13:21 |
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| chem|st | fnordianslip: the boarder to germany got some kind of tropical climate spots where us-tropic-troops train before they get send out | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | lolwut | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | border with germany somewhere in Africa, maybe. | 13:22 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: at this point you qualify as "got no clue about" | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, [citation needed] | 13:23 |
| Appiah | :) | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | seriously, show me a tropical spot in France | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | in metropolitan France... | 13:24 |
| lardman | Vietnam | 13:24 |
| derf | Haha. | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | Not metropolitan | 13:24 |
| lardman | Hanoi seems quiite metropolitan ;) | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | lardman, and you seem quite metrosexual :P | 13:24 |
| lardman | you love it | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | I do | 13:25 |
| lardman | :D | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | wait, what are we talking about? | 13:25 |
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| lardman | no idea, I'm going to do some work | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | waiting for gf to pick me up for lunch | 13:25 |
| * crashanddie goes to troll on omegle | 13:26 | |
| crashanddie | btw, can you hear that wooshing sound? | 13:26 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: plaine alluviale du rhine not metropolitan but do you expect it? | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | hang on, dns is having trouble, let me check it out | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, mate, those are swamps | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | and it is metropolitan | 13:27 |
| chem|st | at least back in the '90s us troops had a stop by before they were send out, don't know if they are still going | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | for those who are not familiar with french terminology: "France Metropolitaine" means the geographic country on the continent of Europe, not any of the islands (some of which can easily be qualified as tropical) | 13:28 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: ah ok that way you are refering | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | aye | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | sorry for the confusion | 13:29 |
| chem|st | yes they are swamps but what is th difference? | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | well, hardly tropical | 13:29 |
| chem|st | in the summertime you get 99% humidity and 30-40°C... | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | erhm, no you don't | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | there's not a spot in france that reaches 99% humidity AND 40C | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I was in Brisbane, now that was 96% humidity, and 42C, and geographically tropical. Nothing in France compares to that. | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | You might have the Camargue, with about 85% humidity and 30C | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | but that's hardly close to the German border | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | Perpignan, where I live, is about 70% humidity at 35 during high summer | 13:32 |
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| smhar | greetings | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: I measured myself in the city as I did not beliefe the forecast and down the street I had 38° when the stations said 31° just a few minutes after it was raining, all your cloth got clammy in seconds just from being outside | 13:35 |
| smhar | I am planning to upgrade to PR1.3 and I've read somewhere that I need to have 'enough' free space in rootfs. I am trying but can not get more than 44mb free on it. is it 'enough'? how to free more? | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | smhar, reports of required free space vary between 55 and 75MB | 13:36 |
| chem|st | smhar: uninstall some of the 3rd party software | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, I don't really count "right after raining" a valid full-on tropical experience ;) But meh. Who cares. | 13:37 |
| smhar | crashanddie, 75MB????? that is too much | 13:37 |
| smhar | :-) | 13:37 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: in the "rheinauen" you don't need it freshly rained... | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | anyway, out for lunch | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | 'later all | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | smhar: 44MB is hard... make a backup and uninstall all the stuff you currently do not need, after the upgrade is done you can just revert the backup and all stuff you did uninstall installs back again | 13:40 |
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| smhar | chem|st, this sounds like the only sane solution, although it is an insane one :-) | 13:42 |
| chem|st | smhar: you can backup and flash instead | 13:42 |
| chem|st | smhar: probably the faster way | 13:42 |
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| chem|st | smhar: or move /usr/lib/loacales_archives to somewhere else and symlink back | 13:43 |
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| smhar | chem|st, wait, this could be a quick fix, what is in that directory? | 13:44 |
| smhar | chem|st, oh, I do not have that directory in my system? is this strange? | 13:46 |
| alterego | Hrm, he colour depth of my QWidget is awful. | 13:47 |
| alterego | s/he/the/ | 13:47 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Hrm, the colour depth of my QWidget is awful. | 13:47 |
| alterego | Not getting a nice clean gradient for my background image. | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | smhar: one second I look it up... I guess I am wrong with the path | 13:52 |
| chem|st | smhar: it is /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive and it is a file | 13:53 |
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| smhar | chem|st, it is 22.8M | 13:54 |
| chem|st | smhar: yes | 13:54 |
| smhar | chem|st, that means I will have 67m free :-) | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | smhar: do not put it in mydocs! | 13:56 |
| smhar | chem|st, ok | 13:57 |
| chem|st | usr lib on its own is 212.8MB | 13:59 |
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| chem|st | without optification it would be >500MB | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | UBIFS is compressed | 13:59 |
| mece | alterego, ping | 14:00 |
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| smhar | chem|st, so can I move -and symlink- the whole /use/lib? | 14:16 |
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| MohammadAG | smhar, NO | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | don't even attempt to | 14:19 |
| smhar | ok,, so, MohammadAG, what 'big' folder/files I can move to free more space in rootfs? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | be careful not to lose it | 14:21 |
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| Afteris | hello maemo world! | 14:23 |
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| smhar | MohammadAG, it is around 9MB, good | 14:24 |
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| pablo2 | How possible correct this error "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/osso-mission-control_5.20+0m5_armel.deb" ? Itry reinstall and occurs error again | 14:46 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lool: Jaffa | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo even | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: seems the color depth of the N900 display isn't just studio standard | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I have ~200..500 tickets to open here. :-P What do you suggest? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I can even provide a patch for each one of those ickets | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | woha | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | on what did you hack? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just .desktop files | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | and what was wrong in all of them? :D | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 of 5 are wrong version= | 15:39 |
| merlin1991 | does that have any inpact on the user experience? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | version=1.0 PERIOD | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems it's absolutely irrelevant | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it *might* have massive impact however, if ever the version of .desktop files starts to matter (e.g. when meego is using an incompatible version=2.0 spec for those files' format, and is actually looking at the version string to determine what to do with a .desktop file) | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact if the code accessing *.desktop wasn't written sloppy, it *should* have impact right now. As we don't know what to do with a version=1.6.1 .desktop file. It's a yet to defined visitor from the future | 15:43 |
| merlin1991 | what is the correct version string and what's the wrong one? | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for now version=1.0 | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOT the version of your app!! | 15:45 |
| merlin1991 | ofc :) | 15:45 |
| edheldil | why not use Lintian ? ;-) | 15:45 |
| Jef91 | Extra-Testing is still repository.maemo.org/extra-testing Dis: fremantle Comp: free non-free right? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks right | 15:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | fremantle spelled with two es only | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rsp looks wrong and odd, as there's no room for 1.2 versions anymore. But *sigh* and screwit, we didn't fix this for 1.2, so why fix it for 1.3? | 15:47 |
| Jef91 | "fremantle" right? Extras are freshing for me but not testing :-/ | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jef91: temporary downtime? We see that frequently | 15:49 |
| Jef91 | bleh hopefully | 15:49 |
| Jef91 | Such trash | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jef91: what's the error? | 15:49 |
| Jef91 | just that good old failed to refresh | 15:50 |
| Jef91 | giving a 404 | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably the .gz are missing another time | 15:50 |
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| Jef91 | so just try again later? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | tomorrow maybe | 15:51 |
| Jef91 | Wonderful. Hope I don't need to use this thing much today then. No applications becuase I to reflash the fucker | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually -testing pkg are also in -devel | 15:52 |
| * Jef91 gives that a go | 15:53 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | also sometimes it helps to resolve URL to another IP of the server farm, as some errors occur for a fraction of the servers only | 15:53 |
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| Jef91 | Why do the N900 repos have these issues? | 15:55 |
| Jef91 | Never had such a time with Debian/Ubuntu | 15:55 |
| Appiah | what issues? | 15:56 |
| Jef91 | oh just general repositories sucking | 15:56 |
| Appiah | ? | 15:56 |
| Trewas | Jef91: maybe they care even a little bit that their repositories work | 15:56 |
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| Appiah | what ? the repos are offline or what do you mean | 15:57 |
| Jef91 | oh! Praise the lord. They appear to be working | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | I guess pounding refresh is good for something on occasion | 15:58 |
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| Appiah | sure it's just not your connection? | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 404 | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | Yep. Pretty sure. | 15:58 |
| Jef91 | Its going now Doc. So whatever it is hopefully resolved itself | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | akamai load balancing, plus sometimes some servers crapping out on rsync/whatever | 15:59 |
| Jef91 | Now I just need to find my sygic and docs to go installer | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: lintian? | 16:06 |
| edheldil | sry, confused .desktop and debian/control | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 16:07 |
| edheldil | but some automated check would prevent this :) | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd use greasemonkey to bomb an automatically generated 547 tickets into trac, if only trac had a category for each pkg :-/ | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: heh, probably that's a good approach | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: how about adding a check to buildhost for *.desktop "version=" string must be "version=1.0" if existing? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be dead simple to implement | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | but would carp out on 50+% of genuine Nokia pkg as well :-P | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well nobody said Nokia is any better on coding correctly than anybody else in community :-) | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised though to find a line like #if 0 if (version != "1.0") { // who wrote this shit? We fixed it. (c) Nokia | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course if somebody really wrote a numeric compare for a string, then Nokia would have been right :-P | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless that's c++ and the != got overloaded for strings | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | humm, that seems to be rather weird and fuzzy. So lemme try again: | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to find Nokia patched out the code to check for *.desktop version being one that the program can cope with | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they enable broken .desktop files to work in maemo, and Nokia can continue with their habit to abuse version= | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway 500 tickets would considerably pump up my karma :-P | 16:23 |
| edheldil | is 500 tickets the same as killing 500 kittens??? :) | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea, never ever killed 500 kittens | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format#Standard_keys | 16:55 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer =) | 16:59 |
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| jophish_ | Hi all | 17:02 |
| jophish_ | Is there the capability to read incoming texts and run a shell script to respond to them? | 17:02 |
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| chem|st | jophish_: yes | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | incoming? | 17:03 |
| jophish_ | well, any texts | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS? | 17:03 |
| jophish_ | DocScrutinizer: Yes | 17:03 |
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| lardman | DBus message | 17:03 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jophish_: yes, there are pkgs using this to trigger actions | 17:03 |
| jophish_ | fantastic | 17:04 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: he asked for "capability" | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: yes. I'm only aware of pkgs that seem to exploit that capability | 17:05 |
| jophish_ | Essentially, what I have is a program that takes words as input and responds itself | 17:05 |
| jophish_ | a chatbot essentially | 17:05 |
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| chem|st | jophish_: sms script for text to number is available somewhere | 17:06 |
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| chem|st | jophish_: in python afair | 17:06 |
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| jophish_ | that sounds like somethign I want | 17:06 |
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| chem|st | jophish_: email? | 17:09 |
| chem|st | jophish_: or pastebin? | 17:09 |
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| jophish_ | chem|st: I suppose something like this is what I want: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle | 17:13 |
| chem|st | jophish_: http://pastebin.com/Xje5rLgi | 17:13 |
| jophish_ | wow | 17:14 |
| chem|st | ok or email too? | 17:14 |
| jophish_ | that's fine thanks | 17:14 |
| jophish_ | I'm sure I will be able to hack this to suit my needs. | 17:15 |
| jophish_ | time to learn pythin | 17:15 |
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| Janne123 | hi | 17:16 |
| chem|st | jophish_: it converts everything in that horrifying octet format of sms and sand to a number in international format (dont remember if only international) | 17:16 |
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| chem|st | Janne123: lo' | 17:16 |
| toggles | "the brand from a previous generation" | 17:16 |
| toggles | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/steve-wozniak-android-will-be-the-dominant-smartphone-platform/ | 17:17 |
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| toggles | if woz say's it's so, i'm getting a droid | 17:17 |
| chem|st | toggles: lol | 17:17 |
| Janne123 | how i zoom on xchat? im using n900 | 17:18 |
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| chem|st | Janne123: settings->preferences->font and change the size | 17:21 |
| Janne123 | well, reflash helped me in my app problem and i was trying to install nitdroid. when i tried to create folder with x-term like in quide it didnt do anything, what to do? | 17:22 |
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| chem|st | Janne123: ->querry | 17:23 |
| chem|st | query... | 17:23 |
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| dRbiG | anyone living in brussels here? | 17:24 |
| chem|st | dRbiG: nope 3h... | 17:25 |
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| FauxFaux | Brussels is the city in which I've thrown up the second highest number of times, I think. | 17:27 |
| dRbiG | i'll be there next weekend and grabbing a beer alone seems a bit sad ;) | 17:27 |
| dRbiG | lol | 17:27 |
| FauxFaux | (Goddamn fosdem.) | 17:27 |
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| lardman | my head is starting to hurt: http://www.sudokuwiki.org/Strategy_Families | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (python SMS thingie) what's usage() going to do? | 17:43 |
| jophish_ | crash things by the looks of it | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:43 |
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| * alterego likes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11766846 | 17:45 | |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I have no idea! | 17:48 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: it defines an exception in error handler | 17:54 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: don'T? | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for opt, arg in opts: | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | if opt in ("-h", "--help"): | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | usage() | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sys.exit() | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually this is supposed to call a function usage(){ printf("this is ACMEprog, use for make me a sandwich: sudo ACMEprog make me-a-sandwich") | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see any def usage(): | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I thought this is some python builtin, which I don't know what exactly it does | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'd expect it to print the first large comment in a py prog to stdout, or sth similar | 17:59 |
| chem|st | equivalent argparse | 17:59 |
| chem|st | I am not that into python... but that is an err parser afaik | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | usage() ??? | 18:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: no the whole thing is a [help,err] handling | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm aware of that | 18:01 |
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| chem|st | the usage() outputs all "usage" if called | 18:02 |
| chem|st | thats what I understand from it | 18:02 |
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| chem|st | same for -h and --help | 18:03 |
| chem|st | # | 18:03 |
| chem|st | if opt in ("-h", "--help"): | 18:03 |
| chem|st | # usage() | 18:03 |
| chem|st | # sys.exit()# | 18:03 |
| chem|st | if opt in ("-h", "--help"): | 18:03 |
| chem|st | # usage() | 18:03 |
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| chem|st | # sys.exit() | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that exactly what I pasted above? | 18:04 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ah right, ok | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I find no >>def usage: | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>def usage(): even | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so...: | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Traceback (most recent call last): | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | NameError: name 'usage' is not defined | 18:05 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: mmh | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | is probably what you get | 18:05 |
| kerio | you should use optparse anyway | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I should do what? | 18:06 |
| kerio | it's in the standard library | 18:06 |
| kerio | parses commandline options | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, uhuh | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: thanks for pointing me to that, but that doesn't help me to understand what http://pastebin.com/Xje5rLgi is doing in line #164 | 18:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I get it... | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and line #170 | 18:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: there is no help yet so no usage is defined yet | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that what I said all the time? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-18 16:57:58] <DocScrutinizer> I don't see any def usage(): | 18:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: this is not my script... I never said... | 18:10 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah and I did not know if it is an python internal call from headers or not so I am sorry to confused you additionaly | 18:11 |
| kerio | use optparse | 18:13 |
| kerio | it will *make* a usage screen for you | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: for now I'm using nothing except my brain and a html-browser | 18:17 |
| kerio | i was talking to chem|st then | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (internal call from headers) that's what I was wondering as well, and seems kerio sugests there is some predefined usage() in optparse | 18:19 |
| kerio | whoops, argparse is better | 18:20 |
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| kerio | but it's new in 2.7, so... | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so, again my initial question: what is it that usage() is going to print to stdout? | 18:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: NameError: usage not defined | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh - now you confused me completely | 18:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: if there's no usage() and you call usage(), then python happily goes "wtf dude" | 18:22 |
| kerio | optparse has a default usage screen where it lists the options if you call it with -h or if you use wrong options | 18:22 |
| kerio | http://docs.python.org/library/optparse.html | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you suggesting the regular reaction to python xy --help should be NameError: usage not defined ?? | 18:22 |
| kerio | of course not | 18:23 |
| kerio | because good scripts use optparse/argparse or define a way to display some help :) | 18:23 |
| chem|st | kerio: yeah argparse is what I said earlier and that would be my way too (as 20 lines of code get 5...) | 18:23 |
| kerio | but argparse is just a slightly better optparse | 18:24 |
| kerio | and there's no argparse in 2.5 | 18:24 |
| kerio | optparse was introduced in python 2.3 | 18:24 |
| kerio | optparse is a more convenient, flexible, and powerful library for parsing command-line options than the old getopt module. | 18:24 |
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| chem|st | kerio: that explains my 2.5 issue lately ;) | 18:24 |
| kerio | heh | 18:24 |
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| kerio | see, it's all there *in the docs* | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I start to hate python | 18:25 |
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| kerio | :( | 18:26 |
| kerio | python loves you! | 18:26 |
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| jdphone | hi | 18:29 |
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| chem|st | jdphone: lo' | 18:32 |
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| Janne123 | hello, could anyone help? pr1.3 with power-kernel and nitdroid | 18:58 |
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| jacekowski | ask | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: wow, that argparse is a monster | 18:59 |
| kerio | indeed | 18:59 |
| kerio | :) | 18:59 |
| Janne123 | chem|st said me that i have to ask help from here:) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ask | 18:59 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 18:59 |
| chem|st | indeed ;) | 18:59 |
| chem|st | ok I elaborate | 19:00 |
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| Janne123 | well, what u want know? | 19:00 |
| chem|st | Janne123 got PR1.3 with power-kernel (version I do not know) and wants to install nitdroid, device is prepared now for install but I do not know about p-kernel issues | 19:01 |
| Janne123 | ty:) | 19:01 |
| chem|st | well I am late now anyway... | 19:01 |
| Janne123 | i reflashed yesterday pr1.3 global version(newest, i think so) | 19:02 |
| chem|st | and Janne123 got another bootloader I don't know if that ships with titan | 19:02 |
| chem|st | bye now | 19:03 |
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| Janne123 | does anyone has something ideas for my nitdroid problem! | 19:12 |
| Janne123 | ?* | 19:12 |
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| thresh | yo | 19:15 |
| thresh | any plans for that 'make linux kernel not suck' patch to arrive in n900's kernels? | 19:15 |
| alterego | Not likely. | 19:15 |
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| alterego | And tbh, I don't think you'll notice a great improvement .. | 19:15 |
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| thresh | well duh, everything is better than it is right now | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | thresh: it's not going to help on n900 anyways | 19:16 |
| alterego | thresh: why, what is wrong with now? | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | thresh: it's only for high load desktops | 19:17 |
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| alterego | I bet it'd do more harm than good on the N900 tbh. | 19:17 |
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| jacekowski | yep | 19:17 |
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| jacekowski | giving PA less resources | 19:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | but hmm, giving active app higher priority wouldn't be bad idea | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | thing is that would have to be done on X level | 19:18 |
| alterego | Until you get a phone call and the callui doesn't start :P | 19:18 |
| thresh | alterego: well, everything is laggy | 19:18 |
| thresh | say, you receive a gsm call and get your mobile phone in your hand | 19:18 |
| alterego | thresh: is it? | 19:18 |
| thresh | it redraws to portrait mode and that takes like a second | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | thresh: that patch doesn't change your cpu into rubber | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | thresh: that's normal | 19:19 |
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| thresh | orly | 19:19 |
| alterego | Well, set it to landscape then. | 19:19 |
| thresh | i know that's gtk... but still that's not normal | 19:19 |
| alterego | I don't have an issue with the transition tbh .. | 19:19 |
| alterego | O_o | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | it's on n900 | 19:19 |
| alterego | Has nothing to do with Gtk | 19:19 |
| alterego | It's the app startup time. | 19:19 |
| thresh | startup?? | 19:19 |
| RST38h | heya thresh | 19:19 |
| thresh | it is already on a screen | 19:19 |
| alterego | If you keep callui open all the time, you wont have that issue. | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | thresh: nope | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | thresh: it's preload image you see | 19:20 |
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| jacekowski | thresh: app is starting in background | 19:20 |
| thresh | meh | 19:20 |
| * slonopotamus found out today that python is 60x slower than C on average | 19:20 | |
| alterego | And if you set it to stay in landscape, it wont need to transition. | 19:20 |
| thresh | RST38h: hey, whatsup? | 19:20 |
| thresh | alterego: yeah, nice way to add latency for and end-user | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | thresh: Not much, lazily creating Ovi Suite replacement in php | 19:22 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:22 |
| alterego | Awful, why not Qt/C++ ? :P | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Because PHP is the best tool for the job | 19:27 |
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| alterego | w00f | 19:27 |
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| * alterego tries to invisage a time when PHP is anything other than scht. | 19:29 | |
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| ieatlint | people hate on php too much... can't we just go back to hating on perl? | 19:29 |
| alterego | I'm non-descriminate of those two :P | 19:30 |
| alterego | I expect to get a lot of hate from people soon by publishing my app on Ovi | 19:31 |
| alterego | So I'm just trying to be an ass ^.^ | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | php handles its job pretty well | 19:31 |
| RST38h | but it is a scripting language, not the solution for all world's problems | 19:31 |
| alterego | You're doing it because scripting is easier that programming something properly and better :P | 19:32 |
| ieatlint | php is my choice of quick and dirty scripting | 19:32 |
| ieatlint | mind you, i wouldn't run a web accelerator written in it like a certain major internet company, but it still does some things quickly and simply | 19:32 |
| RST38h | alterego: I am doing it because I need scripting for my project | 19:32 |
| alterego | Well, I feel more comfortable doing things in Python or Ruby, if I'm scripting something together. | 19:33 |
| alterego | Or UNIX shell stuff. | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Well, some people like it from behind, indeed.... | 19:33 |
| ieatlint | learning curve on php is less for c/c++ devs... that has its benefits | 19:33 |
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| ieatlint | and php is only that terrible if it becomes a resource bottleneck, which for something like an ovi suite app is not likely | 19:34 |
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| RST38h | Well, sqlite will most likely become the resource bottleneck | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | ieatlint, i read that as 'good for noobs' | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | 'and code monkeys' | 19:36 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:36 |
| Arkenoi | seems that missing email notifications still happen with NM in PR1.3 | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | learning curve is a one-time problem. performance, bugginess, expressivity do matter always while you use a tool. | 19:37 |
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| ieatlint | heh | 19:37 |
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| ieatlint | noob is a language bias based on popular sentiments... i'd fully agree that php isn't the right choice in a lot of circumstances, but no matter how much you disagree, php is a proven language on production systems in MANY places | 19:38 |
| ieatlint | and somehow, despite it being php, shit keeps running | 19:39 |
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| alterego | After hack on hack on hack on hack on hack ... | 19:39 |
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| slonopotamus | meh. show me _any_ webapp written in java that is vulnerable to sql injections. | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | clearly you know better than they do :P | 19:40 |
| slonopotamus | and _every_ php is/was | 19:40 |
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| ieatlint | i'd rather not look at a java webapp long enough to see if it has injection issues | 19:40 |
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| slonopotamus | the fact that you didn't care to learn it doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. | 19:42 |
| ieatlint | i didn't say there was | 19:42 |
| ieatlint | i was simply saying that dismissing php was short-sided, i never actually insulted another language, except perl :P | 19:43 |
| Janne123 | can anyone help with nitdroid on pr1.3? | 19:43 |
| alterego | Janne123: #nitdroid | 19:43 |
| Janne123 | no-one help:) | 19:43 |
| slonopotamus | can anyone help with gentoo on pr1.3? | 19:43 |
| Janne123 | here is more life... | 19:43 |
| ieatlint | although i do like being called a noob because i took the time to learn c, but not python | 19:43 |
| alterego | Some, less people care here :P | 19:43 |
| Janne123 | lol | 19:44 |
| Janne123 | here is friendly guys. right?;) | 19:44 |
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| Janne123 | i have power-kernel | 19:44 |
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| alterego | Depends on your definition of friendly, seriously Janne123 this isn't the place. | 19:45 |
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| slonopotamus | Janne123, we eat small girls for dinner. with a very friendly smile. | 19:46 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 19:46 |
| Janne123 | im boy! | 19:46 |
| slonopotamus | i didn't say the opposite | 19:47 |
| ieatlint | that's good then, most people in here don't know how to talk to women | 19:47 |
| Janne123 | janne is boy's name in finland:) | 19:47 |
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| Janne123 | i change my name, all people thinks im girl:) | 19:48 |
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| RST38h | slono: got lasers? | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, that's too simple | 19:49 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, writing package manager to install skynet :P | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/353/ | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | slono: youmean, apt-get is notgood enough? | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, it should be 'from __future__ import antigravity' :) | 19:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | damn, my device is totally messed up, and I have no clue why | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | I didn't even do anything | 19:54 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, it doesn't support useflags :P | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | microb and opera won't download stuff. they just stop at 0%. microb even freezes with a banner in front, telling me there's not enough space. Sometimes when I upgrade apps, it tells me there's no space. And now like 7/8 of my tasks in the calendar disappeared. randomly. | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | and I have enough space on all partitions | 19:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | 360; on home/opt, almost 4G on MyDocs | 19:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | 66M on rootfs | 19:56 |
| Shapeshifter | it's all broken | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: janne123's problem is how to combine powerkernel and nitdroid into a multiboot enabled system on N900. So probably he's not completely wrong in this chan | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though the problem actually is very specific and only few users here will know decent details and can give advice | 19:58 |
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| hatebreeder | do u know? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt on #nitdroid it's any better a situation | 19:59 |
| hatebreeder | and reflash and restore worked yesterday:) | 19:59 |
| hatebreeder | on nitdroid no-one help... | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically I guess nitdroid *might* come with some "proprietary" multiboot solution, and most recent powerkernel comes with uBoot. I'd be surprised if those two play together nicely | 20:01 |
| pupnik | speaking of hate, when are we going to get a translation layer between android and normal linux | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, the porper root question is: "how to integrate nitdroid (and its boot tool whatever it is) into a uBoot enabled multiboot system with maemo as primary system?" | 20:03 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: proper root question is how to build dalvik with glibc | 20:05 |
| hatebreeder | can i remove power_kernel and then try nitdroid somehow? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | additional hint for nitdroid cracks: uBoot is integrated with kernel on NAND kernel partition | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hatebreeder: I can't answer this question as I have no idea about nitdroid | 20:06 |
| RST38h | pupnik: there is a project like that for ubuntu | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Hmmm, Eldar Murtazin vs Nokia continues | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hatebreeder: and honestly I couldn't care less about Xdridiot, whether an* or nit* | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If I were interested in andridiot I'd have bought a milestone | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean that's like buying a apple macbook pro for the sole purpose to run windows on it | 20:10 |
| hatebreeder | i had owned sgs, htc desire etvc | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | Doc: I know a guy who ha done that | 20:10 |
| hatebreeder | and i only wanted to test android on n900 but if it doesnt work, i dont try it then | 20:11 |
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| lardman|home | RST38h: linky? | 20:14 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is in Russian | 20:15 |
| lardman|home | hatebreeder: some things work, some don't afaiu - e.g. gps doesn't work | 20:15 |
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| lardman|home | RST38h: ah ok, might skip that then :) | 20:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: but, to recap, he claims that nearly 100% of N8 and C7 are defective | 20:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: random reboots, bricks | 20:16 |
| hatebreeder | lardman, read bugs etc from nitdroid's webpage:) | 20:16 |
| lardman|home | hw or sw? | 20:16 |
| RST38h | he clims it is hw | 20:16 |
| lardman|home | hatebreeder: ah ok you know about it then | 20:16 |
| hatebreeder | i know some issues... | 20:16 |
| RST38h | based on some circumstantial data from the comments, it might be Ovi Maps fucking up the filesystem though | 20:16 |
| lardman|home | ah well | 20:17 |
| RST38h | or his wishful fantasy | 20:17 |
| hatebreeder | i like maemo for more than android but i like only to test it | 20:17 |
| hatebreeder | does anyone has something ideas what i do with n900?:) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hatebreeder: if you revert your system to a stock PR1.3 setup (probably by another flashing), so there's no mor epowerkernel and uBoot in the way - you can use nitdroid following their generic instructions about how to install it. This is a mere guess as I never even touched nitdroid or their website or docs | 20:18 |
| hatebreeder | i dont know how i ask it but i hope you understood it... | 20:19 |
| lardman|home | time to go, bbl | 20:20 |
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| hatebreeder | in example how i overclock this device? will it "eat" more power if i overclock? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will eat CPU if you do | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as in "dead device or acting up device (segfaults etc) after relatively short period of use" | 20:21 |
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| merlin1991 | uh oh, I opened my n900 battery cover, and a small piece of metal came out | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | overclocking is absolutely deprecated and discouraged | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: N900 breeding? :-P | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | dunno | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | what piece of metal? | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | I'll make a pic | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: SIM cover and microSD cover present? | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lens cover spring comes to mind. and that crappy spring for stylus that ate up lcuk's stylus | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | stand spring | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | springs (plural) | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | http://i54.tinypic.com/aniqyq.jpg | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | that's the lens cover catch | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ate up? | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: how | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | stand spring | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe not | 20:28 |
| Turski | yea, that's the stand spring | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | possible to fit in again, or broken for live? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "middle" ne of those two | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone actually use the stand? | 20:29 |
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| Turski | SpeedEvil: yes | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | rarely | 20:29 |
| Turski | merlin1991: maybe with good glue... | 20:29 |
| Turski | SpeedEvil: i use it quite often | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | freekin sloppy manufacturing | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you *could* try to use cyanoacrylate to fix it in place | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or get a new back cover, or simply ignore | 20:30 |
| Turski | there's another spring left :) | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Or weld on new PP with a cool soldering iron | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: or you still have waranty covered, and get a replacement for free | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | I think my warranty is over | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | but what does it actually do? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | does stand still work somehow? | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | ah now i get it | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gues it does | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so ignore it | 20:32 |
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| merlin1991 | I think I'll fix it :D | 20:32 |
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| merlin1991 | actually, naah | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | I'll leave it :D | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually pretty hard to fix, as it's constantly under force. So if you glue it with cyano acrylate, you need some fixture to hold it *tight* for >60 min! | 20:33 |
| ieatlint | lol, google maps just gave me bus instructions that include the priceless step of "Walk to Null" | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | awesome | 20:34 |
| joga | into the void you go then | 20:34 |
| ieatlint | it apparently will take me 6 minutes to walk to null, and i have 8 minutes to do it | 20:35 |
| merlin1991 | ieatlint, best thing though is if you tell google to route you from china to japan | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're late, you're doomed to linger on as a ghost forever | 20:35 |
| merlin1991 | take a close look @ step 42 :D | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | merlin1991: hehe, yeah, they have that across the atlantic too | 20:37 |
| ieatlint | used to say swim though | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | anyone in here a mappero wizzard? I want to peload some maps but the inap mappreload is rather unintuitive to use :D | 20:37 |
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| merlin1991 | hm how long does the warranty go after they replaced the phone? mine got replaced a few months ago | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually waranty doesn't extend (except for the part repaired) | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Nikolai Pryanishnikov is bulshitting you. | 20:44 |
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| merlin1991 | hm part repaired, I got a completely new one | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Which is not surprising, really, given that he is Microsoft's top choose | 20:44 |
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| merlin1991 | wonder if that counts xD | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:45 |
| RST38h | s/choose/cheese | 20:45 |
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| merlin1991 | then I'm out of the warranty time, though | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | err | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | s/though/doh/ | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's still only for the part originally broken, and even this doesn't apply everywhere (all legislations) | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | back then the emmc was broken, but they never told me it was, I went there "uh nothing works" and a month later I got a new one "uh we couldn't repair it, be happy with this new device" | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually no warranty extension included | 20:47 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: as far as i know warranty only extends by time phone spent in service | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | in EU though, you got 2 years warranty for defects that were caused by poor manufacturing | 20:48 |
| merlin1991 | yeah just found that out | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 20:49 |
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| merlin1991 | go nokia get me a new backcover :P | 20:50 |
| * slonopotamus votes for reset of warranty time to initial value on each repair | 20:50 | |
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| slonopotamus | because otherwise vendors are not interested in _really_ fixing the problem | 20:53 |
| slonopotamus | as with n900 usb connector. it broke? oh well, here you are a new mobo. | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | come back when it breaks again | 20:54 |
| RST38h | well, the connector has been a real mess | 20:54 |
| RST38h | cannot easily fix it with unprofessional labor | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, the point is that nokia is _not_ fixing it | 20:55 |
| RST38h | cheaper to let monkeys swap the whole thing | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | just replace mobos until warranty ends and n900 is eoled | 20:55 |
| RST38h | slono: yep | 20:55 |
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| slonopotamus | causing warranty time to reset would require at least making sure it can survive whole warranty period | 20:56 |
| slonopotamus | (though that might lead to reduction of warranty period :) | 20:57 |
| RST38h | will make gadgets more expensive | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | i bet next device will have same usb connector :) | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 20:58 |
| RST38h | actually, we have not tried it yet here, I think: compete in guessing how awful the nexxt device will be :) | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | it wasn't expensive to properly make usb connector | 20:59 |
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| slonopotamus | and i don't believe it wasn't stress-tested | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | well, I am sure it "was" | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:02 |
| RST38h | i.e. someone checked the line "USB connector" at the stress test list | 21:02 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to reveal Himself to Nokia's top management and command them to bring back the 3.5" power jack | 21:03 | |
| RST38h | 3.5mm, sorry | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | to me it seems a lot of USB problems are due to improper soldering (component not flush with PCB, not enough solder applied, not all 4 posts soldered properly) | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | nah | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | Surface mounted component + the lever made by USB jack plugged into it | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | but still | 21:05 |
| RST38h | that is all that is required, manufacturing is not to blame here | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | At the end, you still end up tearing the PCB traces off the board, with your connector, the solder, etc | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that happened amazingly seldom though | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite a number of "fatalities" were repairable | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: nokia n8 phone has the barrel power connector (assuming that's what you mean by the 3.5mm jack, although i think it's closer to 2mm)... the n9 may very well have it too | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the device I disassembled had poor solder joints at usb posts | 21:07 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: the one you are talking about is prbably 2.5mm jack | 21:08 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: more fragile than the 3.5mm but still better than the goddamn microusb abomination | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277344 bad luck | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | ah | 21:09 |
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| ieatlint | that's right, i remember those pics now | 21:10 |
| ieatlint | and how it appeared to just be solder holding on the usb connector there too | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, same crap | 21:10 |
| RST38h | not the final hw though | 21:15 |
| * slonopotamus adds #0 to his checklist for new device buying - check how connectors are held :) | 21:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'd not hold my breath for major changes | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | slono: you are still buying that n9 though :) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | admit it | 21:18 |
| slonopotamus | last nokia thing i bought was 3110 | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | n800 was a present on birthday, n900 was presented by nokia representative | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:20 |
| RST38h | let us not dwell on how exactly you will get your hands on that n9 :) | 21:20 |
| slonopotamus | before that i owned 3510 :) | 21:21 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, wut? | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure. I'm not planning to spend money on that N9 right atm | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | capacitive ts is a nogo in my book | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the resulting "comes without sylus" of course | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | stylus even | 21:23 |
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| slonopotamus | with a glass? | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | i don't have problem with capacitive | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | as long as apps are designed for it | 21:24 |
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| slonopotamus | what worries me - how much it is fall-proof | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: well, iphone is using glass | 21:24 |
| RST38h | made of aluminum, isn't it? | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: and it can take quite a bit | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: meh, never seen a proper c-ts adapted app like e.g numpty physics | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh the "apps designed for c-ts" are exactly what worries me about c-ts | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | i'm evil | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | i just called my sister to tell her "do you know that your father had an accident on motorway" | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: BS, iPhone is plastic | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's glass on front | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, she answered 'no'? | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | iphone doesn't have kb, forget about it :P | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | and at least now i'll have pictures of his car after accident | 21:28 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hello, mister. how things go? | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: if you think it's glass, you'll not mind touching it with a 450°C solder iron tip, will you? | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: sure | 21:29 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: good, uwm finished, now a new project. | 21:29 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, link? :) | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, so tell me about your findings | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's glass | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it cracks like a glass | 21:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: it may break | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know for sure iPhone 2 yeras ago had NO glass | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's resistant | 21:30 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: http://uwm.sourceforge.net/ released | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i know for sure that i couldn't scratch 3g with screwdriver | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and i had less scratches on iphone screen than on n900 | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, hmm... it definitely is not a glass then :) | 21:30 |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: why? | 21:31 |
| * ColdFyre is modding his n900 with a 4g chip | 21:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | we did steel ball impact tests on iPhone ts vs gta03 ts, on OM, 2 years ago. This was no glass for sure | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, because glass can be scratched with a screw? | 21:31 |
| pupnik | http://whereisben.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/compucamp.jpg That is me in 1981 [ compucamp ] | 21:31 |
| ColdFyre | i am adding the 4g so it will be 7g (3+4) | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | The iPhone screen is made of optical-quality, chemically treated glass — not polycarbonate plastic like the iPod's screen | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: nope | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | since when? | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's glass since always | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, wonder what we tested at OM then | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | http://forums.ilounge.com/1277574-post4.html | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | it cracks like a glass | 21:33 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: even wikipedia says glass | 21:34 |
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| slonopotamus | (and ducks like a glass? :P ) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | even ice cracks like glass, this is a proof for exactly nothing | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: it cracks like safetyglass, not glass | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw this does NOT look like glass | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ++ | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | aminosilicate glass | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | btw | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | aluminosilicate* | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | it's not a plastic for sure | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well a bit of difference between amino and alumino | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | > 3 feet < that's why i asked about being fall-proof | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | it's not typical window glass | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: i dropped it couple times and had no problems | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: it all depends how it falls | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: if you drop it and it's plastic then plastic may pass shock to lcd behind it | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | down :P | 21:37 |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: you need a lot of bad luck | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: but that's why iphone has that metal frame around screen | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, guy from your link dropped it just from 3 feet | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: so it will absorb most of shock if you don't drop it straight flat | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | bad luck | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | stone | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | and you wanted a sofa? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: also a quick googling suggests this aluminosilicate glass came new with iPhone4 | 21:39 |
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| slonopotamus | w/e. moral: glass screens can break in terrible ways :) | 21:42 |
| slonopotamus | and don't buy iphone, because if you do, it might fall | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Just dont buy anything at all | 21:45 |
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| luke-jr | buy a diamond. | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | they don't break easily | 21:46 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | better yet. Nokia should use a diamond screen on N9 | 21:46 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i start to suspect you're an optim st | 21:47 |
| slonopotamus | *i | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | prove it | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | optimist = happy idiot | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | pessimist = sad idiot | 21:48 |
| RST38h | humanist = ? | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | evil | 21:48 |
| RST38h | masochist = ? | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | evil | 21:48 |
| RST38h | machinist = ? | 21:48 |
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| luke-jr | fun | 21:49 |
| RST38h | speaking of the evil... | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 21:50 |
| luke-jr | my baby needs to either stfu or be awake when I give her the bottle | 21:50 |
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| slonopotamus | (s)he doesn't care what you need. | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | srsly, she cries a bit for a bottle. then when I go over there she's sound asleep | 21:51 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, how's n900 usb connector? :) tilts? | 21:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | I read that as "tits" | 21:53 |
| luke-jr | same as always has been? | 21:53 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | NO U | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | hay is for horses | 21:54 |
| mc_teo | i have an idea for an application | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | mc_teo: write it | 21:55 |
| mc_teo | but i need part of it to run constantly in the background | 21:55 |
| luke-jr | then we need to boycott it | 21:55 |
| slonopotamus | battery drain, yep | 21:56 |
| mc_teo | so like have a minimalistic server | 21:56 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: daemonise it, named pipe, done | 21:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer coughs and wanders off for dinner | 21:56 | |
| mc_teo | but it only it only would only need to loop like every 15 mins | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | yay for cron? | 21:57 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: sleep(15000) | 21:57 |
| mc_teo | crashanddie: i was thinking of that, but how would i get it to restart every reboot | 21:57 |
| crashanddie_ | woah | 21:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | headache fail | 21:57 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: service? | 21:57 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: /etc/inittab? | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie, your clock is broken | 21:57 |
| crashanddie_ | slonopotamus: it is | 21:58 |
| * luke-jr smacks crashanddie for messing with /etc/inittab | 21:58 | |
| crashanddie_ | slonopotamus: 900? | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie_, smth like that, yep | 21:58 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, more fail than that. | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | ms? | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | no, secs | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie_, and don't read that as sex | 21:59 |
| crashanddie_ | I wouldn't | 22:00 |
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| alterego | GAN900: I'm selling out and submitting an app to Ovi .. | 22:01 |
| alterego | to be fair, I've been working on it for about 3 months | 22:01 |
| GAN900 | alterego, which one? | 22:01 |
| alterego | My GPS app | 22:01 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, cool. | 22:01 |
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| alterego | Almost finished it now :) | 22:02 |
| crashanddie_ | luke-jr: what's wrong with playing with inittab? | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | zogggg | 22:02 |
| trumee_ | alterego, what does it do? | 22:03 |
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| slonopotamus | crashanddie_, evil unix demons won't be happy. | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: don't YOU play with MY inittab. That simple | 22:04 |
| crashanddie_ | well, inittab, chkconfig, whatev | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a more elaborate answer: inittab isn't manageable by whatever install mechanism | 22:05 |
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| alterego | trumee: it's basically just an application that lets you use the GPS in a way similar to hand held GPS' from the 90s | 22:05 |
| alterego | It's got some cool features, just no mapping. | 22:06 |
| trumee | alterego, cool | 22:08 |
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| alterego | I don't expect it to sell much, but it does look quite cool :D | 22:08 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: chkconfig foobar on | 22:12 |
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| mc_teo | so | 22:18 |
| mc_teo | services is the way to go? | 22:18 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: well, you've got two options | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | mc_teo: cron or daemon (service) | 22:19 |
| crashanddie_ | the cron is good because you only need a periodical hit (every 15 minutes), and that's exactly what cron was designed for | 22:19 |
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| mc_teo | but for anyone else to install it would need cron then too | 22:20 |
| crashanddie_ | but, if the services has a lot of startup overhead (building objects, starting sockets, etc), then a service would be more interesting | 22:20 |
| mc_teo | well it just checks the gps for a bit | 22:21 |
| mc_teo | like gets coordindates | 22:22 |
| mc_teo | the a little bit of processing | 22:22 |
| alterego | Urgh | 22:23 |
| alterego | Sounds like a horrible app :P | 22:23 |
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| mc_teo | that depends on the processing | 22:24 |
| mc_teo | check proximity to recorded coordinates, and runs a command based on them | 22:24 |
| mc_teo | for example, if near school, put on silent | 22:25 |
| mc_teo | if at home, turn off silent | 22:25 |
| mc_teo | etc | 22:25 |
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| alterego | The latency will be quite bad then. | 22:28 |
| mece | alterego, hello | 22:29 |
| alterego | Hey mece | 22:29 |
| alterego | You asked me something earlier, but I've forgotten what it was about ;) | 22:29 |
| mece | me too | 22:29 |
| mece | ywa righty | 22:29 |
| mece | can one throw some qml ui stuff on op of a qwidget with stuff in it? | 22:30 |
| alterego | Actually, you just ping'd me, and I pong'd back, but then went away ^.^ | 22:30 |
| alterego | Yes | 22:30 |
| mece | alterego, that's sweet. | 22:30 |
| alterego | You can render a QML viewport onto a widget, and then set a layout on the widget and have other widgets on that widget. | 22:30 |
| mece | uhu.. | 22:31 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's prretty flexible, I've been working on mixing OpenGL, QML, and Qt. | 22:31 |
| mece | cooky! | 22:31 |
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| mece | teehee coco | 22:35 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Has anyone got an example autobuilder rules file i can see please? :) (Still got a slight packaging issue!) | 22:45 |
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| djszapi | Which is the proper qstardict version for Fremantle ? -> I have tried this one on my N900, but it required a newer qt core that is installed by default: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/q/qstardict/qstardict_0.13.2-3fb_armel.deb | 22:47 |
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| djszapi | the diablo one is too old meanwhile :/ | 22:48 |
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| djszapi | mmh, I could install, but it causes a segmentation fault if I try to run it. | 22:57 |
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| ieatlint | NooBmonk3y: automake you mean? | 23:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | do i ? lol | 23:00 |
| ieatlint | configure.ac | 23:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | using autobuilder | 23:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | and no i mean rules file | 23:00 |
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| ieatlint | like the debian rules file? | 23:00 |
| ieatlint | https://github.com/ieatlint/MagRead/blob/master/debian/rules has an example of one | 23:01 |
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| ieatlint | which is taken almost verbatim from a wiki.maemo.org page | 23:01 |
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| NooBmonk3y | oo ty!! | 23:03 |
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| ieatlint | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_Qt_Creator_Apps_for_Maemo_Extras is the source for that | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | packing deb files is almost as evil as automake | 23:05 |
| pupnik | what's a fileservice to upload mp3s without hassle? | 23:05 |
| pupnik | i need to share some music | 23:05 |
| pupnik | (it's mine) | 23:05 |
| WakiMiko | omploader | 23:05 |
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| pupnik | link? | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | ieatlint, the reason i ask is autobuilder keeps throwing me errors like this | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../maecount.pro | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | . /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: qmake-qt4: command not found | 23:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | (i put the dot it, lol sorry - didnt like the / in irc | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | go take a look at that wiki page... saved my ass with it | 23:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | okies :| - have spent 3 hours reading, wikis, blogs etc, but will keep trying! | 23:08 |
| WakiMiko | pupnik: http://ompldr.org/ | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | yeah, took me more time than i want to admit to package that shit | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh | 23:09 |
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| NooBmonk3y | its the same as my line on that wiki page | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../$(APPNAME).pro | 23:09 |
| djszapi | where can I download dictionaries onto my N900 ? | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maecount_0.8.5/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt :( | 23:10 |
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| ieatlint | perhaps it sets the environment differently | 23:11 |
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| Turski | NooBmonk3y: how about that: Make sure it has these on the "Build-Depends" line: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev | 23:13 |
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| janemba | hello | 23:14 |
| Turski | i don't know anything about debian/maemo packaging, but sounds like you are missing some tools | 23:14 |
| janemba | I'd like to know if it exists a way to copy/paste a wpa2 key ? | 23:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty turski will check | 23:15 |
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| janemba | or add a wifi connection on the n900 using pc suite ? | 23:18 |
| janemba | ??? | 23:21 |
| janemba | someone alive ? | 23:21 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Turski, i want your babies!!!!!!!!!!! | 23:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | maecount 0.8.5Fremantle Extras-devel free i386Build succeededSystem2010-11-18 21:23 UTC | 23:24 |
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| Turski | good | 23:25 |
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| Turski | NooBmonk3y: so you didn't follow the wiki ;) | 23:26 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Turski, i've had so much help in the last 4/5 days.........that i'm fried | 23:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | have changed every files | 23:29 |
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| NooBmonk3y | got it building, then nothing appeared in the apps menu | 23:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | so changed it all again and got that error | 23:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | now trying to see if the app is there this time! | 23:30 |
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| NooBmonk3y | 30+ builds and i'm exhausted! | 23:30 |
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| NooBmonk3y | and double yay!!!!!!!!!! | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | the icon is there! | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | omg | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | 4 days of hell, finally! | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | doesnt load on click | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | tap* | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | but oh well | 23:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | just highlights | 23:31 |
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| NooBmonk3y | which makes me think the exec line is wrong? | 23:31 |
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| Turski | NooBmonk3y: try starting it from terminal | 23:34 |
| Turski | i'm off to sleep now -> | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | NooBmonk3y: i managed to get my first package done in under 10 | 23:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | jacekowski, 10 years? | 23:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | Ty Turski | 23:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | my python one built within a few mins and was fine, but the autobuilder is evil | 23:35 |
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| jacekowski | tries | 23:36 |
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| jacekowski | if you are talking about time, then it depends | 23:36 |
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| jacekowski | if we are talking about my autobuilder or maemo autobuilder | 23:36 |
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| NooBmonk3y | maemo | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | mine is faster | 23:37 |
| Turski | Arch linux packaging <3 | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | hmm, chrome compiled under 20 minutes | 23:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | right, what should the Exec line in a .desktop file look like, as i assume that is my problem? | 23:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | Exec=maecount | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | NooBmonk3y: /opt/something/maecount | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | NooBmonk3y: full path | 23:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | jacekowski, the compiling doesnt matter its the getting everything right so it does compile! | 23:37 |
| djszapi | How can I check which is PR version is on my n900 ? | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: it's in about | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: in settings | 23:38 |
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| djszapi | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/libqt4-core/4.6.2~git20100401-0maemo1+0m5/ -> Where can I download it ? | 23:39 |
| djszapi | I do not see any PR version in the about, rly. | 23:39 |
| djszapi | Nokia N900 Maemo 5 Version: 2.2009-51-1 | 23:39 |
| djszapi | that is all. | 23:39 |
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| jacekowski | djszapi: don't | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: it's old package and it will break your phone | 23:40 |
| djszapi | well... | 23:41 |
| djszapi | qt 4.7 does not work... | 23:41 |
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| djszapi | qstardict causes segfault, gdb shows libQtGui... | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | it does | 23:41 |
| djszapi | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 23:41 |
| djszapi | it does ? | 23:41 |
| djszapi | 0x406a91a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | backtrace | 23:41 |
| djszapi | 0x406a91a8:ldrr4, [r4, #24] | 23:41 |
| djszapi | ^^^ | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | type bt | 23:41 |
| djszapi | ^^^ | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | is that all? | 23:42 |
| djszapi | yes | 23:42 |
| djszapi | #0 0x406a91a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 | 23:42 |
| djszapi | #1 0x406a91a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 | 23:42 |
| djszapi | Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | hm, is there a -dbg package for qt.. | 23:42 |
| djszapi | no idea why qstardict causes segfault.. | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | problem is somewhere else | 23:42 |
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| djszapi | I as a user should not debug a very basic package like qtgui... | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:43 |
| djszapi | otherwise they just should reimburse my money ;) | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | that's right | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: if you pass wrong parameters to it it will do strange things | 23:43 |
| djszapi | I did not pass _any_ parameter. | 23:43 |
| djszapi | qstardict, that is all. | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: but qstardict did | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | something is wrong there | 23:43 |
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| djszapi | that is true... | 23:43 |
| djszapi | but I would expect, if I install it from extra, it just should work. | 23:44 |
| wmarone | worksforme | 23:44 |
| wmarone | heh | 23:44 |
| gustavo-ferreira | Hi all, i was wondering if someone in here could help me on get a title for a really good book on programmin in C on Linux? Although i use linux for about an year and half, i consider myself a newbie on this matter. I know how to program in C, but just the ANSI C. I'm right now with my eyes on this book: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Programming-Unleashed-Kurt-Wall/dp/0672316072. Could someone suggest if this book is good enough or if | 23:44 |
| gustavo-ferreira | there is a better one? Just remember, it has to be a book for newbie. Thank you in advanced! | 23:44 |
| djszapi | there are plenty of books outside. | 23:45 |
| djszapi | jacekowski: does qstardict work for you ? | 23:45 |
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| djszapi | mstardict starts, but I cannot pass any dictionary to it. | 23:47 |
| gustavo-ferreira | but if you could tell me one that would fit my needs, i really would appreciate it. | 23:47 |
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| djszapi | really a lot. | 23:47 |
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| djszapi | I have got locally 150+ C, C++ books on my PC | 23:47 |
| djszapi | starting point: K&R, but it is completely off-topic by now | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | gustavo-ferreira: please tell djszapi it's absolutely not helpful when he answers such meaningless bullshit on a valid question. I'd tell him myself, but he considered it appropriate to take me on his ignore list, when I suggested some good lecture to him | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw he has no monopoly to define what's on topic in this channel. He doe NOT OWN this cheannel :-( | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm temped to kickBAN him this time | 23:49 |
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| gustavo-ferreira | thank you for your understand DocScrutinizer | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when somebody brags with 150+ books on his PC, but isn't able to develop any opinion about which of them are opod and which are not worth it... Meh, what does that tell about such a guy | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes me think he hasn't read a single one of those books | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's just funny a man with such a heap of documentation and instructions at the tips of his fingers has to come here and ask noob questions about basic things how to use ifconfig | 23:54 |
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| djszapi | that is odd the 'official' repository packages cause segfault. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | gustavo-ferreira: try later, when there are less posers and more nice experienced hackers around | 23:57 |
| gustavo-ferreira | ok, thank you anyway | 23:58 |
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