IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-15

NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  how do i set a file as executable in terminal?00:00
MohammadAGchmod +x00:00
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmmm00:00
SpeedEvilNooBmonk3y: If your qeustion is how do I make a file on mydocs executable - the answer is 'you can't00:01
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NooBmonk3ynaaa on an external HDD00:02
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esaym153are then any programs for the n810 that will stream audio from the mic across the internet?00:02
* MohammadAG wants the tunewiki applet back :/00:03
T_Xhi there, can anyone tell me which file to use for flashing "secondary" with 0xFFFF from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?00:03
T_Xthere seems to be no "secondary" for the 2104 hw revision inside00:03
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MohammadAGwhere did you get the 2104?00:04
T_X0xFFFF -i00:04
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NooBmonk3yCan't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474.00:04
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -100:04
NooBmonk3yBut chmod +x rules does nothing00:05
T_Xfor xloader and 2nd, there are matching files for 2104 after unpacking. however, not for secondary-00:05
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NooBmonk3yand if i use the file manager and try to set it to executable the tick box goes straight back to being unticked?!00:05
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, how are you running dpkg-buildpackage?00:06
T_Xor can I just use secondary-RX-51,2101,2102,2103-1.4.14.9+0m5 instead?00:06
MohammadAGNO!00:06
MohammadAGrevisions are different for a reason00:07
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MohammadAGwhere did you get the 2104 device?00:07
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NooBmonk3ymad dpkg-buildpackage00:08
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T_XMohammadAG: as I said, with 0xFFFF -i00:11
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MohammadAGwhere did you get the _DEVICE_00:11
T_Xsudo ../0xFFFF -i <─(Mon,Nov15)─┘00:11
T_X[sudo] password for root:00:11
T_X021 found!00:11
T_XDriver:00:11
T_Xfound n770/n810/n900 (0421:0105)00:11
T_XNo software version detected00:11
MohammadAGnot the info about it00:11
T_XHW revision string: 'prod_code:RX-51,hw_rev:2104�'00:12
T_XSubVersionString autodetected: '2104�'00:12
T_Xoh, eh, got it as a gift00:12
T_XMohammadAG: why?00:12
MohammadAGcause the only devices I've seen on sale are 210100:12
MohammadAGwith 1xxx and others as prototypes00:12
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T_XMohammadAG: hmm, okay. so, should I ask the person I got it from, where he got it from? :)00:14
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmm00:14
MohammadAGthat would be a start, but I'd ping someone from nokia to get the image00:14
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles1, might be able to help you, but he's away for the MeeGo conference00:15
T_Xpfeh, okay00:15
MohammadAGif you want to reflash you could possibly reflash the rootfs alone00:15
T_Xnow I'm curious too, what I got here :D00:15
T_XMohammadAG: but the boot-loader is stored on the xloader partition, right?00:15
MohammadAGindeed, I've only seen 2101s00:15
MohammadAGyes00:16
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MohammadAGflashing the rootfs should in theory work fine00:16
MohammadAGin theory00:16
T_Xthe thing is, I installed the multiboot package and now I can't boot it anymore, as the there's nothing in the multiboot list00:16
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  how do i tell if my external hdd is mounted with a noexec option?00:16
MohammadAGmount00:16
MohammadAGT_X, try pressing 000:17
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NooBmonk3y/dev/sdb1 on /media/FreeAgent Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)00:17
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MohammadAGwhat's fuseblk o_O00:18
MohammadAGoh, ntfs?00:18
NooBmonk3yprobably!00:18
NooBmonk3yits the one with all my stuff on it00:18
MohammadAGit can't hold permissions I guess00:18
NooBmonk3yoh ffs00:19
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NooBmonk3yok so move it elsewhere00:19
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NooBmonk3yyay moving it worked!00:20
NooBmonk3ynow onto the next error!00:20
NooBmonk3ydpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'00:20
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b MaeCount-0.6.0 gave error exit status 25500:20
MohammadAGsmall case only00:21
NooBmonk3yooo in what, all files/folders?00:21
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MohammadAGno, the source dir00:21
MohammadAGmv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount00:22
NooBmonk3yallll these rules to get 1 thing right lol00:22
MohammadAGor00:22
MohammadAGmv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount-0.600:22
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NooBmonk3yhmmmmmmm00:23
NooBmonk3yrenamed00:23
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NooBmonk3yre-run00:23
NooBmonk3ysame error00:23
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmmmm00:23
NooBmonk3yit's gotta be in a file somewhere00:23
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NooBmonk3ythe pro file is the only file with a capital letter00:24
NooBmonk3ymaybe that?00:24
NooBmonk3ydpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'00:24
NooBmonk3yactually source package name hmmmmmmmmm00:24
MohammadAGno00:25
MohammadAGchangelog00:25
T_XMohammadAG: wow, -> + 0 (= 0) worked!00:26
NooBmonk3ywow00:26
T_Xawesome, how was I supposed to know that :D?00:26
NooBmonk3yits doing something00:26
T_Xhow can I find out about such secret keyboard commands :D?00:26
MohammadAG:D00:26
NooBmonk3yhmmm one last error! yay!00:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'00:27
MohammadAGX shuts down00:27
NooBmonk3yffs00:27
NooBmonk3ydarn copy00:27
MohammadAGI think it's in the readme :P00:27
NooBmonk3yparsechangelog/debian: warning:     debian/changelog(l5): badly formatted trailer line00:27
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, copy my debian/ directory00:27
Venemohey again guys00:27
NooBmonk3yi did lol00:27
Venemosorry, the N900 died just 20 minutes before I arrived home00:27
VenemoNooBmonk3y: still having issues?00:27
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MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, the source directory00:28
MohammadAGdo this00:28
Malin_is there any good idea to overclock my N900 to 750Mhz?00:28
MohammadAGcd ..; mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount; cd maecount; mad dpkg-buildpackage -b00:28
VenemoMalin_: the good idea is not to overclock00:28
MohammadAGMalin_, we hate overclocking overall tbh00:28
Malin_Venemo, as I thought00:28
MohammadAGhttp://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg00:28
VenemoMohammadAG: what did you say about changing PATH permanently?00:29
Malin_Guess there are other ways to get it more snappy? Some times I can't take a call, because it reacts so slow00:29
MohammadAGedit your ~/.profile00:29
Venemocat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory00:29
MohammadAGenable HW sync in hildon-desktop, makes the desktop more prone to crashes, but makes the device wonderful to use00:29
Malin_prone?00:30
VenemoMohammadAG: I thought that was not possible...? what did I miss?00:30
MohammadAGit might crash sometimes00:30
MohammadAGVenemo, not VSync00:30
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini00:30
Malin_awh yeah, I checd the word in google translate :)00:30
MohammadAG[hildon-desktop]00:30
MohammadAGWSEGL_UseHWSync=100:30
NooBmonk3ywow00:30
MohammadAGit's 0 by default00:30
NooBmonk3yerm00:30
Malin_I will try it :D00:30
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VenemoMohammadAG: so what is this HW sync?00:31
Malin_smart I can access my phone with ssh :D00:31
MohammadAGVenemo, try it00:31
MohammadAGthough I suggest turning of blurs in transitions.ini00:31
MohammadAGunder [home], change radius and radius_more to 0, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini00:31
VenemoMohammadAG: 'cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory' -> any clue about this?00:32
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MohammadAGhmm00:32
GeneralAntillesWe found the clubhouse in D4.00:33
MohammadAGeven my N900 has a .profile file...00:33
MohammadAGVenemo, edit /etc/profile then00:33
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Shush00:37
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Private club00:37
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* MohammadAG sobs00:39
pupnikso quiet00:40
Malin_wow... it become way more snappy after setting it to 1 :D00:40
MohammadAGit'll crash, eventually :P00:41
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MohammadAGI still have it on though00:41
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.mauve.plus.com/stars.jpg Astrophotograpy on the n900. (fcam, 3200iso, 1s)00:41
SpeedEvilIt's cloudy here - hence there are not many stars.00:41
SpeedEvilBut for a handheld attempt, I was surprised.00:41
MohammadAGtoo, much, noise :P00:42
SpeedEvilyes.00:42
SpeedEvilI need to try it actually holding it still, with a dark sky00:43
DocScrutinizer:nod:00:43
cehtehjust open stellarium and done :)00:44
SpeedEvilcehteh: that doesn't tell you about new supernovae, or iridium flares.00:45
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DocScrutinizernot even competes to this: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.1004200:46
pupnika ufo!00:47
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SpeedEvilNeed to set the exposure way down for the moon00:47
SpeedEvilit's daytime there.00:47
pupnikwhat's your favorite shot that you took with a n900?  link.00:48
cehtehSpeedEvil: stellarium has a plugin system, there is a satellites plugin, unfortunally with ugly graphics, but i bet one can add iridium flares there00:48
SpeedEvilhmm00:48
cehtehand for supernovae .. well maybe too, but first i wait for the implementation of commets00:48
cehtehthat would be nice00:48
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5028190910/ is quite nice.00:48
cehtehthere was some discussion about rendering realistic comets00:49
pupnikhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4863049623/  i like that one00:49
Malin_it switches so fast and smooth between the windows now :D00:49
pupnikpretty SpeedEvil00:49
Malin_but yeah, if it crash, it crash....00:49
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/00:49
SpeedEvilWas just after I'd gotten the n90000:50
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MohammadAGMalin_, if it crashes, you HAVE to reboot00:50
pupnikwow lots of work00:50
MohammadAGkilling the desktop won't do anything, it's just dead there00:50
cehtehhttp://www.lumiera.org/20101114_002.jpg haha my recent n900 pic :P00:50
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DocScrutinizercehteh: haha, supenovae that's been a killer app for whole science00:50
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pupnikeverybody working on their house00:51
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ - and a shot from this summer of the garden.00:51
VenemoMohammadAG: I asked about PATH on #fedora00:51
DocScrutinizercehteh: why not falling stars as well ? :-P00:51
pupnikit looks so nice now SpeedEvil - i thought your piles of dirt were permanent00:51
cehtehDocScrutinizer: thats already there00:51
cehteh(since years)00:52
VenemoMohammadAG: the guys kindly educated me about that one should put a script to /etc/profile.d00:52
DocScrutinizerrealtime ?00:52
VenemoMohammadAG: did that, works :P00:52
SpeedEvilcehteh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/in/set-72157624825188447/00:52
cehtehnah pseudorandom00:52
DocScrutinizer:-P00:52
DocScrutinizerpffff00:52
cehtehSpeedEvil: lol00:52
SpeedEvilpupnik: well - behind that picture were the piles. Though there has been a _lot_ of progress on the lawns.00:53
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/00:53
HRH_H_Crabhi, im desperate to try and get mpd installed on my n900 (but im beginning to think its not possible)00:53
HRH_H_Crabi've found this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd/00:54
HRH_H_Crabbut i can't seem to figure out what repository to add, or if that package is even suitable for the n900.00:54
DocScrutinizerVenemo: thanks for sharing. Never noticed that00:54
HRH_H_Crabi'm guessing thats for one of the older tablets?00:54
HRH_H_Crabcan anyone assist a n00b?00:54
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MohammadAGVenemo, never noticed /etc/profile.d, ty :)00:55
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, MohammadAG :)00:56
MohammadAGso, any suggestions before burning this microSD?00:56
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: dd?00:57
DocScrutinizer51clean contacts?00:57
VenemoMohammadAG: low level formatting or something like that00:57
Venemodunno it that's even possible for a microSD00:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no dev node00:58
DocScrutinizer51ouch00:58
DocScrutinizer51there's been some tool to read out device  basic data (ser#, manuf, pagesize, shit, class...)01:00
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, !!! 3rd attempt, still building, and not instantly failed01:00
NooBmonk3yi may have almost got it right!01:00
Dhraakellianwewt!01:00
DhraakellianI was able to edit the file from nitdroid!01:00
Dhraakellianneeded a chmod 77701:00
Dhraakelliansince chmod a+w didn't work01:01
* Dhraakellian is booting back into maemo now to see if hildon-desktop still craps out01:01
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DhraakellianW00WH0M!01:02
Dhraakellian*ahem*01:02
Dhraakelliansorry 'bout that01:02
T_XMohammadAG: ah, now I got it, you're the maintainer :D. well, anyway, thanks again for the info :)01:03
Dhraakelliannow, is there any disadvantage to leaving the n900 in R&D mode?01:03
pupnikwhat01:03
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pupnikpeople thinking you're silly01:03
DhraakellianMohammadAG: problem fixed through NITDroid01:03
MohammadAGT_X, I'm not the developer though :)01:03
MohammadAGDhraakellian, I always have my device in R&D mode01:04
DocScrutinizerit's discouraged01:04
MohammadAGwith /etc/pmconfig's last line set to 0 to switch off lights01:04
VenemoMohammadAG: what good is R&D mode?01:04
cehtehblinking keyboard ftw :)01:04
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* cehteh never used R&D mode01:04
MohammadAGVenemo, I don't have to worry about dsme causing bootloops01:05
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MohammadAGI can gain root without having rootsh01:05
MohammadAGvery useful to install rootsh without using HAM :P01:05
VenemoMohammadAG: does it have any disadvantages?01:05
DocScrutinizermeh01:05
DocScrutinizeryes, sucks battery01:05
Dhraakellianah01:05
MohammadAGif the lights are kept on01:06
Dhraakellianthat'd be a good reason to turn it off01:06
DocScrutinizerwon't restart services as you're used to01:06
cehtehohnoes .. kamera doesnt work with power9501:06
cehteh4501:06
MohammadAGDhraakellian, or turn off lights01:06
MohammadAGas I do01:06
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DocScrutinizerstill shit01:06
MohammadAGcehteh, fcamera*01:06
cehtehso far the stock camera app was still easier and better than fcam01:07
DocScrutinizerbtw I wonder how that crap with root w/o rootsh works.01:07
panda|x201Hi, anybody can let me know how to reach to the guy maintain Qole.org?01:07
cehtehhey and fcam doesnt work either01:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, sudo gainroot01:07
MohammadAGcat /usr/sbin/gainroot without rootsh01:07
DocScrutinizerwhat for do I fix my etc/sudoers.d/* when r&d makes device open like FR again?01:08
MohammadAGit's something like (pseudo code) if R&D enabled, gain a root shell, else, say enable R&D mode to break your device01:08
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, gainroot is always in sudoers01:08
DocScrutinizernot in mine01:09
DocScrutinizerat least not the way you think it is01:09
Jaffapanda|x201: He's sat over there -----^01:09
MohammadAGit's ALWAYS in it, sure of that01:09
JaffaWell, he was.01:09
MohammadAGbut the script can only be used if R&D mode if on01:09
cehtehuhm there are graphics errors in the menues too ..01:09
panda|x201Jaffa, over where? I mean I didn't find any email contact method or IRC nick on this website01:09
MohammadAGit checks using cal-tool01:09
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: not after rm -rf /etc/sud*01:09
panda|x201Jaffa, actually, I do wanna donate his excellent contribution01:10
Jaffapanda|x201: As in, he was just sat in the same room as me 5 minutes ago.01:10
Jaffapanda|x201: I've left a message for him01:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, lol k01:10
panda|x201Jaffa, oh, really? physically in one room? or irc room?01:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools01:10
panda|x201Jaffa, thanks anyway01:10
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cehtehok power45 is borked01:13
MohammadAGhow?01:14
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cehtehno camera (neither bless900 nor fcam)01:15
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cehtehand some pixel errors in the menu, seems some graphics memory overwritten somehow01:16
ShadowJKwell duh :-)01:16
cehtehlets test gps now01:16
MohammadAGcehteh, restart, the menu thing is an old hildon-desktop bug afaik01:17
cehtehyeah .. but still no camera01:17
cehtehfcam shows a grey screen only01:17
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cehtehcant close fcam, have to kill it01:18
MohammadAGremove fcam-drivers?01:18
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cehtehflashlight doesnt work either01:18
ShadowJKfcam wont work because the fcam kernel module wont load on random kernels01:18
MohammadAGremove fcam-drivers?01:19
MohammadAGShadowJK, it doesn't work even with the new headers01:19
cehtehok lemme check for gps01:19
cehtehno gps ...01:20
cehtehremove this kernel i say01:20
MohammadAGGPS works for me...01:22
MohammadAGdon't blame the kernel, blame the user :P01:22
cehtehhaha01:22
MohammadAGpower45 has hostmode patches as well as 1.3's patchet01:22
MohammadAGpatchset01:22
cehtehwhat can i do but turning it on01:23
cehtehmappero just dont get a fix, gps logger doesnt open. possibly crashes01:23
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cehtehback to power40+hostmode01:28
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DocScrutinizer51Power40+hostmode?01:42
DocScrutinizer51never been such thing?01:42
MohammadAGthat's power42 I think01:42
MohammadAGpower45 is fine01:42
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cehtehMohammadAG's prelimary was power40+hostmode01:46
cehteh(never official or?)01:46
MohammadAGpower 40 + hostmode is mine01:47
cehtehyes01:47
cehtehi am using that01:47
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: GUI update?01:48
MohammadAGnope, haven't pushed anything today01:49
MohammadAG0.2-8 is days old01:49
MohammadAGfixes mount issues to shut users up01:49
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DocScrutinizer51n8 cT01:51
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: I already started bashing users about no special kernel dependencies, GUI will check and warn01:52
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alteregoI know we mock Nokia a lot, but tbh, they have put a lot of work into maemo and the N90001:59
MohammadAGalterego, indeed, I was thinking about that today tbh02:00
alteregoIf the platform was as still born as everyone seems to think then there's been a lot of wasted effort on documentation and code :/02:00
MohammadAGhildon-desktop would be one02:00
alteregoI'm just browsing the Qt maemo5 documentation, and I was thinking, we've always had pretty good api level documentation. It's much better now than it used to be.02:02
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alteregoI've just finished porting all my custom widgets to Qt Quick/QML too, so my GPS app will be QML'd up now :)02:03
MohammadAGnoobish question, what's QML :302:04
alteregoIt's the new user interface design language for Qt Quick02:04
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alteregoCame with Qt 4.702:04
alteregoHaven't you seen all the hype about it? :D02:05
MohammadAGyeah, but when I see hype I'm like meh02:06
alterego:)02:06
alteregoIt's pretty cool.02:06
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alteregoFor building UIs with02:06
MohammadAGbetter than designer? :P02:07
alteregoIt'll be probably 90% of future apps on Nokia devices.02:07
alteregoBecause it's so easy to pick up, I can see a lot of "fart" apps being implemented in it in the future :)02:08
alteregoThere's a graphical designer for it in Qt Creator.02:08
pupnikbeats tweak/build/run/tweak/build/run cycle02:12
MohammadAGalterego, where?02:13
alteregoYeah and it makes it really easy to bind your C++ app engine code to a javascript environment.02:13
MohammadAGQML?02:13
MohammadAGwait what?02:13
MohammadAGit's javascript?02:13
alteregoMohammadAG: just create a QML project and when editing a .qml file you're given the declarative editor instead of the standard designer.02:13
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alteregoKind of json mixed with javascript yeah.02:14
alteregoIt occured to me that if I write my app core in Qt, then expose the api to QtQuick/Qml, I can tweak my UIs whilst on the road.02:14
alteregoThen, once I'm happy with the UI, I can package it all into one executable.02:15
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panda|x201Jaffa, hi, still around? any response from qole?02:22
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Venemoalterego: I still don't get it why they invented QML instead of just using XAML02:29
nox-isnt that .net ?02:30
nox-i.e. ms?02:30
chxalterego: GPS app?02:30
Venemonox-: XAML = extensible application markup langueage02:30
Venemonox-: language*02:31
Venemonox-: it is just XML which is dead easy to write02:31
nox-hm02:31
chxXML :(02:31
alteregoVenemo: because XML is ugly.02:31
Venemoalterego: lol. javascript is ugly02:32
alteregojson is much more succinct ...02:32
Venemoalterego: XML is not.02:32
Venemoalterego: hehe :D02:32
alteregoxml is fine, for data interchange.02:32
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alteregoIt's not fine for humans to read/write ...02:32
Serpentfor complex, data interchange!02:32
alteregoLet alone ui designers.02:32
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alteregoAnd there's nothing ugly about javascript, it's a pretty neat scripting language.02:33
jacekowskibut some people do ugly things with it02:34
alteregoIndeed02:34
alteregoIt's nicer than Perl :D02:34
alteregoI think it's nicer than Python too02:34
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Serpentsimilar to python, but why nicer?02:35
alteregoBecause Python does a lot of things, well, wrong.02:36
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alteregoIt's object orientation is a bit of a joke, closures are broken aswell.02:37
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alteregoIt's just not as nice a language as Ruby or JavaScript.02:37
jacekowskiit's all same crap02:37
jacekowskiphp perl python02:38
alteregoYeah, they are the bottom of the barrel :P02:38
jacekowskiand prolog02:38
alteregoHeh, not used prolog02:38
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jacekowskiwell, prolog isn't crap02:39
SerpentI dont know why you say that its object orientation is a joke02:39
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alteregoAnyone got an interesting XML source they want wrapped up with a nice 900 ui?02:39
jacekowskibut it's not a regular every day programming language02:39
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alteregoSerpent: because, it is :P02:39
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Serpentin which way?02:39
alteregoIt's ugly and hackishp02:40
alteregoMaybe not as ugly as perls' OO but it's still nasty.02:40
alteregoIt's like writing OO in C using gobject styles.02:40
alteregoI've just come to expect more from high level dynamic languages02:41
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alteregoAnyhow, XML data, I want to play with Qt Quicks XML data stuff but I don't have an interesting source of information.02:42
alteregoAnyone got anything interesting? :)02:44
pupnik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k  Goldman Sachs, The Federal Reserve, and Quantitative Easing explaned - VERY GOOD02:44
jacekowski http://www.eevblog.com/2010/11/08/hardware-will-cut-you/02:45
jacekowskii have this02:45
SpeedEvilalterego: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm 160GB of XML goodness.02:45
alteregoHeh02:45
SpeedEvilhttp://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml02:46
SpeedEvilmore seriouslty02:46
alteregoYeah, I was thinking weather.02:47
alteregoJust had another neat idea for an app.02:48
alteregoBut I'm not surew who's want to use it ...02:48
alteregoA satellite visualization, basically a map of the world with satellite position and orbit plotting.02:49
SerpentI dont know if you are interested in the python discussion, but I believe the closures issue is long gone02:49
alteregoI might integrate it into my gps app.02:49
alteregoAnyhow, bed time, g'night folks.02:50
jacekowski 8% [+++++++=====>                                                                                                                                             ] 1,121,910,360 18.3M/s  eta 15m 12s02:51
jacekowski12G compressed02:51
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MohammadAGsigh, if only networks in IL were that fast02:52
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gustavoferreirahello everyone03:00
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gustavoferreiracould someone confirm that are receiving my text, thank you03:02
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nox-`loud and clear'03:03
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gustavoferreirathank you very much, it's my first time on this channel, actually, it's the first time on maemo community03:03
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DocScrutinizerwelcome03:07
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DocScrutinizerremember ~ask and ~question03:07
DocScrutinizergustavoferreira: and ping me if you got any problems with this channel03:08
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infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.03:08
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infobotquestion is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html03:08
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DocScrutinizergustavoferreira: if you're in doubt about your online status:03:09
DocScrutinizer~botsnack03:09
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)03:09
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gustavoferreirathank you very much for your information.  i promise i'll behave as you expect.03:13
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DocScrutinizer:-)03:13
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DocScrutinizernobody here beahves 'as expected'03:13
DocScrutinizerbut we all try - usually :-D03:14
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gustavoferreira:P ok, good shot03:14
Venemogustavoferreira: hi :)03:16
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gustavoferreiraSo, i want to make deb files from my programs to maemo, i have been searching for methods to do this, and i just see process that make me going all the way down through control files and all that stuff, what i want to know is, if that is any way to make deb files from binarys (i program in C and use GTK+)03:22
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gustavoferreirai know for C++ and Qt the software we use "automatically" creates a deb file, is there any program out there that does the same but with C code plus GTK+? (sorry for my spelling mistakes, english is not my mother tong)03:24
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lolcatHello03:28
lolcatI forgott my phone in my car03:28
lolcatHow can I find the IP?03:29
lolcatIt is loging me off MSN03:29
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TiagoTiagohi03:43
lolcathi03:43
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TiagoTiagois there somewhere a step by step tutorial on getting out of dependencies knots for complete newbies?03:44
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SpeedEvil~flashing03:45
infobothmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware03:45
TiagoTiagoi don't mean giving up and starting from scratch, i mean actually fixing things03:45
SpeedEvilSorry - working out dependancies doesn't really seem noob-like03:46
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TiagoTiagothe general concepts seem simple enough, some pacckages need other packages and somtimes multiple packages conflict with what they wanna have installed03:47
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TiagoTiagoby newbie i don't mean clueless idiot, i just mean someone that doesn't now much about the topic yet03:55
pupnikgustavoferreira: sorry nobody responded - 1) yes you can make deb files from binaries, but not uploa them to the maemo repository.04:01
pupnik-2) i don't know of a way to create a debian package automatically without all the context of a project builder04:02
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gustavoferreirathank you for your response, i already made all the process and i got a deb file and i could install it on my nokia n900, it also appeared in the "software installed" but i'm facing a problem right now, how can i put my application on my "application window" without messing (at least directly) with those files (xml i think?!?) that describe what and how are the apps shown on the application window04:08
MohammadAGthis might help http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging04:09
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TiagoTiagook, how about a step by step tutorial for those not so newbie then?04:10
Termanagood morning04:10
MohammadAGhi Bradley04:11
* MohammadAG loves idents04:11
TermanaMohammadAG, my name is on my twitter account as well, which you follow. Like I'm really trying to withhold my name from you04:11
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Termana:P04:11
MohammadAGwell, you should worry about your IP more than your ident :P04:12
MohammadAGTermana, seriously, you should hide your name, like I do04:12
TermanaMohammadAG, I think I'll be fine with my IP address. I run OpenBSD. :P No I don't actually, I run Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm waiting for MeeGo to get masks04:13
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TermanaMohammadAG, hah. Your name is "top secret"04:14
Termana:P04:14
Termana(Well unless someone intends to bring a big connection and ping flood me, I feel I'll be fine)04:15
gustavoferreiraMohammadAG: thank you for this tutorial, i'll have a read, but for what i can see, this is for deb files made from source code, and, what about binaries? is there any tutorial? Because i think it will be less probable something going wrong with binaries ( or am i wrong?)04:15
MohammadAGTermana, yes, I'm disguised as MohammadAG, a combination of Mohammad and Rapidshare AG04:16
MohammadAGif you build from binaries then the app will be non-free, and yes, it's easy, follow the same tutorial and add the fles to the install file04:16
pupnikyou have application icons in a separate directory called icons/ ?04:18
gustavoferreirano, i have it on the control file04:19
gustavoferreiraMohammadAG: it isn't that i don't want it to be free, just because i think that is easier, but if it has the same dificulty degree, then, let's make it from source code04:20
MohammadAGsame difficulty04:21
gustavoferreiraok, thank you04:22
MohammadAGread the tutorial, it covers most things :)04:22
MohammadAGfeel free to look at existing packages04:22
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gustavoferreiraone more thing (this one may seems ridiculous, but here we go) how can i have 100% sure what my application depends on?04:24
MohammadAGscroll down in my page, it I mention shlibs:Depends04:25
MohammadAGfor C/C++, it'll fill in depends from ldd04:25
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gustavoferreira"Depends: apt, ${shlibs:Depends}" you are right.04:29
gustavoferreiraand my last question, to make my application icon appear in the applications windows, i just need to put a .desktop file (with all the required info of course) on the directory you specified? just that?04:31
MohammadAGapt is just an example04:31
MohammadAGyou don't need it04:31
MohammadAGyes04:31
MohammadAGexample.desktop           usr/share/applications/hildon04:31
MohammadAGin your .install file should do it04:32
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gustavoferreirathank you very much that was a precious information for me. Is there any wiki or so that talks about maemo structs? i mean, what does each directory, or what they are meant to have, in short, how is file system in maemo organized?04:34
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MohammadAGhmm, general linux I'd say04:35
DocScrutinizer51hell, don't you ever sleep?04:35
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DocScrutinizer51would you please check #9 and update #104:36
gustavoferreiraDocScrutinizer51: is that for me? i didn't understand for who you were talking04:37
pupnikhttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/impostor.png  ahahahah04:37
MohammadAGprobably me04:37
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG:04:37
gustavoferreiraoh ok, sorry04:38
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, nope, holidays -> no sleep :D04:38
DocScrutinizer51:-D04:39
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gustavoferreiraMohammadAG: you are right, but there are things specific to maemo/hildon right?04:41
gustavoferreirain the structure of file system04:41
MohammadAGnope04:42
MohammadAGmaybe configs, but the basic hierarchy is the same04:42
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b-man`maemo is structured quite like debian04:43
b-man`with some exceptions04:43
gustavoferreiraok, i'm sorry then, i'm new in some way in Debian, more specific on Ubuntu. I guess i need to study debian file system structure then. Thank you vey much for your time.04:44
DocScrutinizermaemo/debian/ubuntu all follow FHS very closely. Except for maemo and...:04:46
DocScrutinizer~optification04:47
infobothmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence304:47
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Venemowhat is FHS?04:50
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gustavoferreiraFilesystem Hierarchy Standard i guess04:50
gustavoferreirathank you guys for your time04:51
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gustavoferreirawhere can i get some source code, or deb file of a program for maemo to see the structure?05:02
nidOmaemo.org/packages05:03
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gustavoferreirathanks05:04
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Gorrothyo yo yo09:19
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lardmanmorning09:23
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lardmanJust had a play (well yesterday) with an HTC Desire HD09:27
lardmanreally rather good09:27
lardmancome on Nokia.... :)09:27
kerioGorroth: yo dawg09:28
Gorrothwhat up in the hizzie09:28
Gorroths/what/wut09:28
Gorroths/the/da/09:29
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khertan_Morning09:32
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lardmanmorning khertan_09:32
khertan_lardman, morning lardman09:34
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* khertan_ just see that there is a talk about dev with python on meego ...09:34
* khertan_ so binding should be here :)09:34
* lardman is trying to get Python scripting working with mBarcode09:35
lardmanwhich version is that? 2.609:35
khertan_2.609:35
khertan_2.6 on meego core09:36
khertan_1.109:36
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lardmanhmm, somewhat terse the errors output by sip09:37
khertan_on mBarcode ?09:38
Gorrothis the hardware on the N900 capable of supporting wireless "Master" mode, and it's just a limitation of the drivers, or is it just that the hardware is incapable of supporting that mode?09:38
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lardmankhertan_: Am creating a SIP wrapper so I can cast the Python plugins to C++ classes and call them from the main mBarcode code09:39
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khertan_hum ... this is the part of Python that i never try :)09:40
lardmanfor good reason! :)09:40
khertan_lardman, yep as i didn't code in c ... so made plugins for my apps isn't so difficult :)09:41
lardmanPython was too slow for the main code09:42
lardmanbut great for plugins, assuming I can get this working09:42
fluxgorroth, I think all hardware as such is capable of that mode, but their firmware might not be09:42
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fluxhow does joikuspot work, is it in infrastructure mode?09:43
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flux(possibly it comes with its own wlan firmware, if it's been done with co-operation with Nokia)09:43
Gorrothhmm09:43
Gorrothi guess i should get joikuspot09:43
Gorrothsee if i can setup iptables to work in conjuncton with it09:43
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khertan_lardman, python is fast enought for anythings except some slow things like image analysis ... what you are doing with mBarcode :)09:44
khertan_so why not do the thing in the other way09:44
khertan_create a small c python plugin to do the analysis09:45
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lardmanI can't remember now, lost in the mists of time09:45
khertan_:)09:45
khertan_a good reason :)09:45
lardmanseemed like it at the time09:46
lardmanbut isn't that always the way...? :)09:46
fluxlardman, have you considered a generic exec/socket/dbus interface that allows to write plugins in any language? or is that exactly what you're doing?-)09:46
khertan_lardman, i think gedit should be a good example for plugin integration :)09:47
lardmanflux: considered, but I really don't have all that much time, and getting that intergrated with the ui would be timeconsuming09:47
lardmanthough we do broadcast DBus messages, and I was writing a DBus plugin handler (though I think I'll skip that and use Python plugins to allow people to wrap DBus calls)09:48
lardmanotherwise the conf file has to be quite complex to specify how the barcode payload needs to be parsed and checked09:48
lardmanhmm, circular dependency in my sip files09:52
lardmandrat09:52
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lardmanhmm, I wonder if someone is trying to tell me something :)09:53
lardmanqemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped09:53
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crashanddie'morning maemo10:11
marmoutemaemorning10:12
lardmanhi crashanddie10:12
crashanddiehey lardman, how's it going?10:12
lardmanalright, just cusring sip10:12
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crashanddieneed help?10:12
lardmanthink I'm sorted now, thanks thogh10:12
crashanddienp10:13
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crashanddieSIP'ing too much of the good stuff will do that to you.10:13
khertan_maemorning crashanddie10:13
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lardmancu later chaps10:44
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GAN900Hopefully WiFi will hold out for the transcripts.10:56
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Khertan_I'm listening via streaming ... music is horrible11:09
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crashanddiestreaming URL?11:15
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timsamoffMeeGoConf Keynote has begun: Doug Fisher from Intel.11:21
Khertan_crashanddie: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming11:23
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mj_Has anybody tried creating an app to make a voice call using Qt ?11:30
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crashanddieIntel giving away Lenovo IdeaPads to all attendants11:47
MohammadAGfuck my government and their rules11:48
* MohammadAG stabs povbot, you didn't see that11:49
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javispedro~ping11:54
infobot~pong11:54
javispedrowow, horrible lag.11:54
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jpinx-eeepcIs there any way to prevent the n900 comingg on when the slider is opened? I'd like to have "resume" only on the flick switch11:56
crashanddiejpinx-eeepc, don't think so11:56
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crashanddiejpinx-eeepc, unless you rip out the magnet11:57
jpinx-eeepcheh11:57
RobbieThe1stOut of curiosity, why?11:57
MohammadAGcheck mce.ini11:57
jpinx-eeepcdamn thing keeps opeing in my pocket11:57
RobbieThe1stah11:57
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jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: mce.ini is where?11:57
JaffaMorning, all11:58
crashanddiemorning Jaffa11:58
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jpinx-eeepcalso  --  ow do I reset the lock code when I don't know the old one? Joys of buying a 2nd hand n900 :(11:58
crashanddieJaffa, you in Dublin?11:59
MohammadAG/etc/mce/mce.ini11:59
MohammadAGthough i doubt it's possible11:59
MohammadAGcrashanddie, yes he is :P11:59
MohammadAGMorning Jaffa11:59
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crashanddieJaffa, getting bored to hell by Alberto?12:00
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: I'll take a look later - thanks :)  Any clues about the lock-code change?12:00
MohammadAGyeah12:00
ShadowJKiirc there's a thread on tmo12:00
MohammadAGsome app in the repos by qwerty1212:00
MohammadAGor just cat /dev/mtd1 and jack the ripper it12:01
MohammadAGit's a DES encrypted lock code12:01
Jaffacrashanddie: Yup12:01
timsamoffHi Jaffa. Long time. :p12:01
Jaffatimsamoff: Network@'s shit.12:02
javispedroyep12:02
* Jaffa wonders how many people've bought big, thick, slow, heavy netbook/tablet hybrids.12:02
RobbieThe1stfor?12:03
crashanddietimsamoff, shame we won't be seeing each other this year.12:03
RobbieThe1stAdmittedly, I have something like that, but its more of a notebook/tablet hybrid, and I got it for free, so...12:04
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MohammadAGwho's talking on the live stream?12:06
timsamoffCrashanddie12:07
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crashanddieMohammadAG, Alberto Tores12:07
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MohammadAGI thought he wasn't going o_O12:07
MohammadAGoh, never seen his name before :P12:08
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timeless_n900mohammad, he took over in the nokia meego organization when someone left12:10
javispedrobah, I get bumped off network every minute12:10
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javispedro~ping12:10
infobot~pong12:10
MohammadAGAri Jaaski?12:10
MohammadAGjavispedro, use a different server12:10
MohammadAGtry holmes.freenode.net12:11
MohammadAGor barjavel(?)12:11
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BCMMis there a way to show file extension in the file manager?12:13
MohammadAGyes, edit libhildon's source12:14
MohammadAGask mece when he's on, he has a binary on tmo12:14
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summelcan i delete the home folder "savely" as in "the phone will still work but all my data is gone"?12:30
Khertan_BCMM: create your own from scratch :)12:31
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BCMMMohammadAG: presumably editing libhildon would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs?12:43
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MohammadAGyes12:43
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MohammadAGsearch tmo, it's on there somewhere12:44
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Khertan_would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs? <<< except for Qt apps12:48
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alteregoquiet :(13:14
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meceeveryone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on 3meego13:15
meces/3meego/#meego/13:15
infobotmece meant: everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on #meego13:15
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alteregom'kay13:16
alteregoHave I missed anything interesting?13:16
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mecethey got intel notebooks13:25
alteregoHeh13:25
meceno netbooks13:25
mecewhat are they called.13:25
alteregosall laptops?13:25
alteregonetbooks13:25
alteregosmall ..13:25
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meceIdeaPad S10-3t13:25
alteregoNever heard of it.13:26
phellarvLapbooks?13:26
alteregoIf it's smaller than 10" I'd say netbook13:26
mecehttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-review/13:26
meceIntel 1.83GHz Atom N470 processor13:27
alteregoJust the name lenovo makes me cringe for some reason ...13:27
alteregoOh, that's cool. netlet?13:27
mecewell, it's free so..13:27
alteregoFree?13:27
alteregoThey gave them out?13:28
meceyep13:28
alteregoffs13:28
alteregoNow I'm even more sad :(13:28
mecethat's exactly what I said!13:28
meceI'm at home with tonsillitis.13:28
phellarvTo all except Nokia and Intel Employees13:28
GAN900alterego, sucker.13:29
alteregobitch :P13:30
alteregoGAN900: I just want a t-shirt, but if you can get me a tablet aswell I'll be your bitch ;)13:30
alteregoWell, I'm already your bitch, but still :D13:30
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alteregoI bet even if I managed to fly out this evening and get there tomorrow the lenovo give-away was probably only for day one attendees.13:33
alteregoI hate my life, I missed last years conf, knowing they'd be dishing out loaners13:34
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GAN900alterego, I don't even know where you have to go to get them.13:40
meceso why the hell doesn't the stream work on my n900???13:41
meceoh. the very second I wrote that the stream died.13:41
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alteregoHeh13:42
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alteregoGAN900: It'd be nice if they could send some of us non-attendees, but devote followers a package ;)13:43
alteregoI guess I'm just sour after never getting any freebies :( Just got a discounted N810 the whole time I've been here.13:44
meceI've gotten nothing.13:44
alteregoI suppose we should also understand that meego isn't maemo.13:44
mecetrue13:44
alteregoSo there's no obligation to any of us :D13:44
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lardmanWhat's in the package?13:45
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lardmanhave been trying to get twitter to follow the conf, stupid webclient is rubbish13:45
lardmanor it's me ;)13:45
mecelardman, no its rubbish13:46
lardmanah phew ;)13:46
timsamoffWho's the Maemo dev who wants to takw on creating a Deb to RPM package converer? Nokia and Intel are looking for someone to reward... or, at leat, be a community hero. ;)13:46
timsamoffWhy isn't lardman here, btw?!13:46
mecelardman, how about this: http://tweetchat.com/room/meegoconf13:46
javispedro tbh, it is not a hard thing...13:46
meceworks13:46
lardmantimsamoff: busy at work13:47
javispedrocould probably be done with bash, even.13:47
timsamoffBlech.13:47
lardmanmece: cool, thanks13:47
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timsamoffFWIW, people are looking for it... Must be good UX for all levels.13:47
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lardmantimsamoff: so can you confirm finally that GAN900 is a real person...? ;)13:48
Jaffatimsamoff: Not sure why they think it's a good idea.13:48
lardmanhey Jaffa13:48
GAN900Hey!13:49
Jaffalardman: hey. You should be her.13:49
Jaffas/her/here/13:49
infobotJaffa meant: lardman: hey. You should be here.13:49
lardmanI know, I know13:49
alteregoProbably for some of the maemo apps, obviously.13:49
* Jaffa 's gone back to hotel room to reflash N90013:49
Jaffaalterego: Yeah, but most are Hildon so won't work well or integrate into the app.13:49
timsamofflardman: heard in passing. Number of apps is important these days.13:49
lardman?13:50
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timsamoffCompetition changing the landscape... Apps working across platforms is good, no?13:50
GAN900TSG is hitting all of the talking points.13:51
lardmanhmm, is this streaming anywhere?13:51
JaffaGAN900: Are they? I left cos it seemed like typical TSG meeting13:51
alteregoJaffa: Could you get hold of mine and tonys' goodie bags from the conf and drop them off in London next time you're around ;)13:51
GAN900Jaffa, exactly.13:51
alteregoOo, replies to my bug reports ..13:51
timsamoffI can't wait for the minutes from this one. :p13:52
GAN900Feels like an interview on local access TV.13:52
GAN900No time will be left for Q&A.13:52
fcrochikGAN900, at least we don't get ads...13:53
GAN900blah blah blah13:53
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Jaffaalterego: I've not got mine yet, TBH13:53
Jaffaalterego: They can't find it.13:53
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alterego:)13:53
alteregoHeh13:53
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timsamoffThey need to open this for questions...soon.13:54
GAN9006 minutes left13:54
GAN900I can't get there from here.13:54
JaffaThere've been no questions yet?!13:54
JaffaApart from Jim Zemlin?13:54
GAN900Jaffa, yup.13:55
phellarvThey are afraid of questions about the N90013:55
phellarv;-P13:55
GAN900phellarv, who could blame them.13:55
timsamoffJust beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?13:55
alteregoHeh13:55
javispedroyou'd have to enter the stage and interrupt to ask anything :)13:55
timeless_mbpanything interesting?13:55
timeless_mbpand where is everyone?13:55
javispedrooh13:56
lardmanhttp://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming - I'm assuming this is live13:56
phellarvlardman: It's live, yes.13:56
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lardmancool13:56
GAN900Oof13:56
GAN900There's the lag.13:56
* timeless_mbp went to town and bought a laser pointer and managed to get o2 to fix the sim13:56
lardmanGAN900: but is the lag less than your typing speed? :)13:57
GAN900timeless_mbp, by the back entrance to President's at one of the round tables next to javispedro.13:57
GAN900lardman, at 60+ seconds, no.13:57
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lardmanoh well13:57
timeless_mbpGAN900: @event site?13:57
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chem|stre13:59
crashanddielardman, the hint was in the URL... :P13:59
lardmancrashanddie: I don't believe everything I read on the internet... ;)14:00
crashanddielardman, you are a man14:00
crashanddieOMG, LARDMAN DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S A MAN14:01
JaffaKernel flashed. Yay!14:01
lardmannote the "everything"14:01
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tugrikanyone use the "shopper" app?14:11
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tugriki'm having trouble finding the "delete" option14:12
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lardmanlol @ music on live streaming video14:12
lardmanor is that playing live for you guys there?14:12
chem|stMohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 would you mind to give some of your knowledge to this?14:12
povbotBug 11579: Kernel USB patch - bug not feature stuck at 500MHz while charging14:12
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javispedroeating from a plate while standing up14:15
javispedrohorrible14:15
timeless_xchatlunch time?14:15
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SpeedEviltugrik: I vaguely recall you just tap the item14:19
SpeedEviltugrik: I used it only for several minutes though.14:19
SpeedEvilOn an unrelated matter. Would anyone happen to know a site like youtube that supports pure audio clips/14:20
realitygapsSpeedEvil: soundcloud perhaps?14:20
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SpeedEvilhmm - possibly, thanks.14:24
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RST38hAnyone sees me?14:35
lardmanyep14:35
RST38hWeird14:35
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RST38hlardman: Care to give a summary of what is going on at the conference?14:35
lardmanRST38h: am sat at home slaving away over a hot computer I'm afraid14:35
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RST38hlardman: How familiar...14:36
lardmanyeah :(14:36
RST38hLet's ask at #meego then =)14:36
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GAN900timeless_xchat, down in the last room at lunch with timsamoff, Jaffa, and fiferboy.14:40
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alteregoOh well, back to hacking I guess.14:43
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* SpeedEvil sighs, and wishes conference was possible.14:44
SpeedEvilmeh.14:44
alteregoSpeedEvil: you're not alone ;)14:44
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lardman+114:45
* SpeedEvil looks round for the burglar.14:45
alteregoHahah14:45
alteregoBOO!14:45
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* MohammadAG seconds that14:46
Larholmurg, "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/."14:46
LarholmI'm trying to follow the instructions on https://projects.maemo.org/docs/environment.html#installing-scratchbox14:46
MohammadAGthough i have my government to blame14:46
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TermanaMohammadAG, can I blame your government for me not being in attendance as well?14:48
TermanaStupid gov'mt14:48
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MohammadAGyes14:48
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* GAN900 is in the community session now in the terrace.14:52
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GAN900Dawn's talk is starting.15:03
DocScrutinizerhaha, local Dublin time is UTC-00:20 ?!15:03
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DocScrutinizermore like -00:1515:03
GAN900I guess she didn't find the maemo.org trademark page.15:04
alteregoHeh15:04
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DocScrutinizerhttp://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming   Local Dublin Time: 2010-11-15 12:5015:06
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GAN90013:06 according to my clock.15:07
TermanaDocScrutinizer, it keeps jumping back and forth between different times15:07
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DocScrutinizera clock that's off, and a stream that doesn't stream... :-/15:13
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, it's a football stadium. :P15:15
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DocScrutinizerhe, now only proper audio missing15:17
DocScrutinizergive dawn a mic15:17
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: seems it is not attached to the stream as she got one...15:17
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, she's on the PA here.15:18
chem|stonly once... only once working with professionals15:18
DocScrutinizermeh, useless15:19
DocScrutinizerdon't get a single word15:19
chem|stGAN900: is the speech recorded?15:20
GAN900DocScrutinizer, summarizing in #meego15:20
GAN900chem|st, one would assume so.15:20
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: sure, you can playback the recorded lifestream later15:22
DocScrutinizerlivestream?15:22
chem|stGAN900: do you mind to ask one of the streaming guys to dub it later and set up a connection for future sessions after the brake?15:22
DocScrutinizerwith same useless audio15:22
GAN900chem|st, streaming guy is behind a very large and intimidating video camera.15:22
crashanddieGAN900, if it's a 4k RED I'm pissing myself15:23
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GAN900Sony something15:24
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chem|stGAN900: with speech recording I mean the actual talking output15:24
chem|stGAN900: picture?15:24
DocScrutinizerSOUND???!!!15:28
DocScrutinizer\o/15:28
GAN900chem|st, N900 isn't telephoto enough and I don't want to stick the 7D in the face of the person behind me.15:28
chem|stGAN900: please *twink*, and get someone else to take a picture of you sticking your 7d in the face of the person behind you too ;)15:29
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* SpeedEvil ponders.15:33
SpeedEvilAd-hoc wifi synchronised mics on all n900s, with phased array capabilities.15:34
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lardmanSpeedEvil: and run pocketsphinx in parallel to transcribe the audio15:46
DocScrutinizeryeah!15:50
DocScrutinizermaybe pocketsphinx can understand it. Me can't15:51
lardmanhttp://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2010/03/pocketsphinx-0-6-release/15:51
lardmanI see a new version, and someone's even integrated it with a browser15:51
DocScrutinizerso english subtitles would be highly appreciated15:51
lardmanyeah vol is quite low15:51
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DocScrutinizeractually I got ~3..5 *words* of Dawn's talk15:52
lardmandue to vol?15:52
meceI found it alright.15:53
DocScrutinizerand due to really fast and accent speech15:53
lardmanah ok15:54
lardmanwhere are you from Doc?15:54
DocScrutinizerno native speaker here, and not at all trained to listen to *spoken* English15:54
DocScrutinizerlardman: SOL 315:55
lardman:)15:55
DocScrutinizerDAMN - thought my harddisk is going to explode... Nah it was weird audio of the stream15:56
jaskahaha, i had that once.. a song was playing on the headphones that sounded like a dying drive when the headphones were on the table :D15:56
DocScrutinizeryeah, exactly - except it's been the laptop speakers here15:57
lardmanhmm, updated in the repo too, cool, I was quite impressed to see voice browsing on an HTC Desire HD15:58
javispedro /me has arrived late to all talks so far :(15:59
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jpwhitinghey all, is there an easy way to get something like qt assistant on n900 with maemo?16:01
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jpwhitingapt-get libqt4-assistant wants to install the 4.5 version but can't because my docs and qt are version 4.716:12
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lardmanhmm, how does one get Ovi Store working?16:17
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crashanddieslap it on the side a couple of times16:17
ShadowJKheh16:17
DocScrutinizerouch16:17
DocScrutinizervolume at 100%16:18
ShadowJKlatest maemo?16:18
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lardmanargh, why does it take so long to display the catalogue list in HAM?16:26
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RST38hBecause....16:26
RST38hJust because.16:26
alteregoHeh16:26
lardmanits just given up now16:26
lardmancraptastic16:26
alteregoYou're lucky yours displays ...16:26
RST38hProbably does some really inefficient text file scanning16:26
alterego80% of the time mine doesn't even populate16:27
RST38hIs HAM source code open BTW?16:27
lardmansame here16:27
lardmanyeah16:27
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lardmanRST38h: yes I believe so16:27
RST38hlardman: So, we can stick our dirty hands there and dissect =)16:27
RST38hOut of morbid curiosity, at the very least16:28
lardmanI think so yes, might be worth a look if you have some spare time16:28
alteregoRST38h: it's open but wont compile because of deps on some closed components.16:28
lardmanI think the libapt (?) backend is supposed to be slow too16:28
alteregoI think it's slow because of that apt-worker daemon.16:28
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lardmananyone seen debs for nightingale-n900?16:49
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pupnikhttp://i.imgur.com/4yY7O.png   xkcd correction...17:10
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gustavoferreira_Hi everyone17:50
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gustavoferreira_Could some one tell me where can I find FHS specific for  maemo? i mean, the must directories like the ones that have the .desktop files and so on..?17:51
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chem|st~packaging17:56
infobotAsk me about ipkg17:56
chem|st~ipkg17:56
infobotrumour has it, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml17:56
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chem|stgustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?17:57
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* realitygaps gets zaurus flashbacks from ipkg references :)17:57
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chem|st~packaging-guidlines17:58
chem|st~guidlines17:58
gustavoferreirasorry guys, could you paste what you wrote? i closed my irc client accidently :S17:58
chem|stgustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?17:58
chem|st~fhs17:59
infoboti guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package17:59
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gustavoferreirachem|st: I tried and all i got was FHS in general, for debian, ubuntu, etc. But thank you for your info18:00
* kerio wonders why apple had to rename half of the usual directories18:00
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gustavoferreiraI'm knew on the IRC stuff, could you please tell me why sometimes people here put "~" in front of a word? i'm sorry if it is a stupid question but i don't really know, thanks in advanced.18:02
gustavoferreiranew*18:02
lardmanit prompts infobot to parse the sentance18:02
lardman~infobot18:02
infobotwell, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me?18:02
chem|stgustavoferreira: http://tinyurl.com/37eu9vf18:02
lardman~curse infobot18:02
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot !18:02
Larholm:O18:02
chem|st~tell gustavoferreira about fhs18:03
realitygaps~meego18:03
infobotwell, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices18:03
chem|st~drink beer18:03
infobotdrinks beer in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits beer across the room18:03
lardman~vomit18:04
* infobot vomits on lardman18:04
lardmannice18:04
realitygaps~thanks infobot18:04
infobotrealitygaps: no problem18:04
chem|st~kill kittens18:04
* infobot shoots a excited proton gun at kittens18:04
* SpeedEvil stabs firefox revisions.18:04
kerio~curse firefox revisions18:04
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox revisions !18:04
gustavoferreirai guess i have to read about this infobot, i'm not understanding what it doe, it just display messages you write?18:05
chem|st~striptease18:05
infobotHoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?18:05
SpeedEvilSpecifically.18:05
SpeedEvil~flashing18:05
infoboti guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware18:05
SpeedEvilIs the more useful application18:05
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lardmangustavoferreira: it doesn't do much useful, though it can remember things like URLs as SpeedEvil showed above18:06
chem|sttrue18:06
alteregoMy custom widget set port to Qml has gone quite nicely :D18:06
realitygaps~osx18:06
infoboti guess osx is such a good OS it owns people's afr0's, or massively over-rated18:06
chem|stgustavoferreira: and tel people about it without spamming the channel18:06
chem|sts/tel/tell/18:06
infobotchem|st meant: gustavoferreira: and tell people about it without spamming the channel18:06
chem|stand correct me18:06
gustavoferreirasorry18:07
chem|stgustavoferreira: was not to blame you18:07
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prontoit would be awesome if there was a way to send and recieve text message via cli18:09
alteregopronto: dbus18:09
alteregodbus-send to be exact18:09
alterego~dbus-send18:09
chem|stpronto: there are scripts already18:09
prontowait really?18:09
* SpeedEvil sighs at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50503718:09
povbotBug 505037: was not found.18:09
SpeedEvilFixed in january - still not in trunk.18:10
SpeedEvilerr18:10
SpeedEvilreleases18:10
pupniki'm creating a NEW PICS DIRECTORY just for pictures people who belong in an RPG  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2L7F7CnmHw18:10
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alteregoWhere's intel: http://thehandheldblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/MeeGo-Summit-Oulu.jpg18:11
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juozapaswhy sometimes led blink when sms received but there isnt notify icon in the bottom of stand-by clock ?18:21
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lardmanhmm hurd, that reminds me, did someone get that built for the chap on TMO?18:55
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Khertan_bouh ... can't promise19:00
Khertan_shaem19:00
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BCMMis there a way to set file associations (for file manager, email, browser, etc.)?19:27
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BCMMit says there is no viewer for MS .doc files, and i'd like it to open them in freoffice, and it would also be nice for PDFs to open in evince19:28
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pupnikhey DocScrutinizer can i add-on (double) the number of cells in an external laptop battery pack?19:29
pupniki was thinking of hooking 2 cells in parallel up for each one in the original pack19:30
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SpeedEvilpupnik: sometimes.19:32
SpeedEvilpupnik: but this will often confuse the battery pack, and may make it not charge19:32
pupnikmhm it depends on their logic i guess19:33
pupniksort of surprised i haven't seen extended size external packs for thinkpads (mugen?)19:33
SpeedEvilyou can for many models get extended batteries.19:34
SpeedEvilFor the x60s - IIRC - it will go up to around double the capacity with a secondary battery19:34
SpeedEvilwhich fits on the base19:34
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javispedrouoooh19:39
javispedrogconf vs dconf vs qsettings vs plain files19:39
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Robot101plain fails19:42
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johnsqHi19:42
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DocScrutinizer51plain fails vs plain files20:01
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DocScrutinizer51we had this topic a few weeks ago, and iirc there wasn't a *single* sound argument why we need a centralized service (as evil and nonsensical as windows registry) to manage config data20:04
DocScrutinizer51highlight: None app can't read in 10.000 config files"20:05
DocScrutinizer51s/ N/ "/20:05
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: highlight: "one app can't read in 10.000 config files"20:05
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DocScrutinizer51if a friggin app has to read 10.000 files to gather config, then that app needs no gconf but a painful death20:07
DocScrutinizer51highlight2: "there can not 10.000 apps read one config file" Answer: why not?20:08
lardmanthough standardising the way conf data are read and written is useful for app writers20:09
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lardmanbut needn't mean a monolithic store20:09
* mgedmin sighs20:09
mgedminrealtime config change notifications is a sound argument in my mind20:09
RST38hyou are overcomplicating things20:10
mgedminthe 10,000 xml files on disk braindamage ought to be fixed20:10
DocScrutinizer51lardman: ack20:10
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keriohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0AkFUYpLQ why didn't he use a n900 too :(20:11
DocScrutinizer51mgedmin: yeah, while you're at it: fix the 100.000 mp3 files braindamage. Seems tracker doesn't full job20:12
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DocScrutinizer51</sarcasm> if somebody needs that tag20:13
pupnikDocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with ~/. directories20:14
johnsu01should mbarcode be able to scan book barcodes?20:14
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DocScrutinizer51pupnik: NOTHING20:14
pupniki can't think of anything real20:14
pupnikas an objection20:15
DocScrutinizer51I'm all for this age old tested concept20:15
pupnikit's per-user.  it's got basic file security20:15
BCMM+1 for "what is gconf actually for?"20:15
lardmanjohnsu01: yes20:15
lardmankerio: despite their being competitors, that brings tears to my eyes20:15
RST38hGentlemen, you obviously need WIndows registry20:15
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BCMMlike the registry, it doesn't really help unify anything much20:15
lardmanjohnsu01: what's the problem?20:15
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BCMMin that it has a bunch of keys with obscure meanings that could just as well be config file lines with obscure meanings20:16
keriolardman: it's brilliant advertising20:16
pupnikbingo BCMM20:16
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RST38hPlease, vot for the new XCHat btw: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo18/20:16
pupnikhome directory already *is* a registry as well as being other things20:16
lardmankerio: for the portable bbq?20:16
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juozapasirssi ftw20:17
RST38hpupnik: Some people do not get it20:17
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RST38hpupnik: Besides, it does make sense to cache config data in case someone is reading it often20:17
pupnikweaned on the teat of microsoft, i say.  not good unix milk like we had in our day20:17
johnsu01lardman: it's not picking them up apparently, I have used it successfully for qr codes before but it's not recognizing the code on any of my books20:18
lardmanthe 1D decoder is more prone to errors caused by poor lighting and contrast20:19
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johnsu01it could be poor lighting, but it's kind of hard to get light with the phone hovering over the code :)20:19
lardmanyou should be able to hold it a fair distance away really20:20
lardmandepends how large the barcode is of course20:20
lardmancan you show us an image? mBarcode can capture an image20:21
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NooBmonk3yalterego, ping20:23
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  :)20:27
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johnsu01lardman: ah, got one to work with more light and fiddling20:28
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lardmanjohnsu01: sorry about that, we need to work on the 1D decoder to make it perform better20:30
johnsu01lardman: no worries, happy to have it at all :) what do the color flashes that happen sometimes mean? occasionally there is a purple or green bar that flashes across the scanning window20:30
lardmanone option is to use the light sensor and turn on the LEDs if there's not enough, we'll have to take a look at that in the fullness of time20:30
lardmanthat's the wonders of the gst pipeline20:30
lardmanit gets paused as it autofocuses then restarts and doesn't know what's left over20:31
DocScrutinizermgedmin: (realtime notification) usecase please! Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config. For those few global things there are other, better means than a centralized data store process bottleneck. Inotify comes to mind, as well as dbus and a few other well defined mechanisms in X and...20:31
lardmanactually you might be better changing the settings to not autofocus, and to use the shutter button to do the decoding20:31
mgedminDocScrutinizer: I like being able to set my "fullscreen window" key in gnome-keybinding-properties and have metacity/compiz pick it right up20:32
johnsu01lardman: oh, there are settings?20:32
lardmanyep, hit the menu button, somewhere on the RHS20:32
lardmans/button/icon20:32
DocScrutinizermgedmin: uhuh. Yeah, I as well like to set *your* config data and your apps pick it up immediately20:33
lardmanthe spanner icon in fact20:33
johnsu01hm I don't seem to have that20:34
DocScrutinizerif that's been too fuzzy: which part of >>Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config.<< you disagree ?20:34
lardmanare you running on an N900?20:34
johnsu01lardman: yes20:34
lardmantry upgrading from extras-devel20:35
juozapashow to use alt button on n900?20:35
johnsu01lardman: I will try that in a bit, thanks20:35
lardmannp, give me a shout if you have any troubles20:35
NooBmonk3yhi alls, got an odd problem (QT on ubuntu), i add a stacked widget to my ui, and then as before i went to call ui->stackedWidget(...) but it is not recognising StackedWidget as being there? any ideas?20:37
lardmancase of name?20:38
NooBmonk3ywell normally if you type ui-> or ui.  a drop down list appears, it is not on there either20:38
NooBmonk3y(and case is right :) )20:38
NooBmonk3yit's as though it just doesnt exist :|20:39
lardmandid you save the ui file?20:39
NooBmonk3yyup20:39
NooBmonk3ygot 2 projects side by side to, and comparing, one works, one doesnt :| tis really odd20:39
lardmanindeed, strange20:39
NooBmonk3y:|20:40
lardmanI'm afraid I can't help you there, I hate those ui constructs20:41
NooBmonk3yhehe, thanks though :)20:41
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lardmanhmm, I can return boolean values, but not Python strings20:49
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pupnikthe ones that process and search big trees as you type?  hate em too, except for a couple of cases20:54
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lardmanyay! mBarcode python scripting appears to work! :)21:02
RST38hmadman! madman! =)21:02
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lardman:)21:03
johnsu01lardman: updated version works much better, recognized the code much quicker21:03
lardmancool, glad to hear it21:03
lardmanwe'll push it to -testing and extras proper soon, sorry about your needing to enable -devel21:04
johnsu01I didn't realize it handled these barcodes till now, this will be fun21:04
* RST38h has devel enabled for months now21:04
lardmansame here, but some people don't like it21:04
johnsu01lardman: np, only reason it wasn't already enabled was because this is a new replacement device :)21:04
lardmanah ok :)21:04
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johnsu01so thankful to have a replacement, other defects that I had attributed to software were also fixed -- pretty sure my original one had a defective FM transmitter and battery21:09
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NooBmonk3yok something weird is going on!21:13
NooBmonk3ynow when i add new things to the gui, and build / test on the device the new stuff isnt appearing21:14
NooBmonk3ywtf is going on!21:14
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DocScrutinizerjuozapas: esc;<char> usually works like alt+<char>21:19
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DocScrutinizerjuozapas: do not _hold_ esc 'ley'21:20
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DocScrutinizerkey*21:20
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juozapask thx DocScrutinizer21:27
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nox-moin21:33
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slonopotamusand one more time :)21:39
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slonopotamusanyone knows what the hell is contained in diablo orig.tar.gz?21:39
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wmarone!21:49
wmaroneupdate to xchat21:49
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* NooBmonk3y is really confused.....22:00
NooBmonk3ylardman, remember the issue i had earlier?22:00
NooBmonk3yits steadily got worse, and i couldnt figure out why, i've now pinned it down to changing my windowTitle on my mainwindow, change it back and it is all fine :|22:01
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NooBmonk3yaghhhh still not working22:05
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: wild guess: data for "reset to factory defaults" ?22:11
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DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: VCS - sometimes a helpful tool22:13
NooBmonk3y?22:13
DocScrutinizeror simply backups22:13
NooBmonk3ydoc, why would when i press buil/rebuild etc, it seem that the UI only is not being built?22:13
DocScrutinizerlots of them22:14
NooBmonk3yi am using a backup and the same issue :|22:14
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DocScrutinizeryou did a make clean?22:14
NooBmonk3yyeah22:14
DocScrutinizeryou did no update?22:15
NooBmonk3ynope22:15
NooBmonk3yWhen i build/rebuid i get this22:15
NooBmonk3yThe process "/usr/bin/make" exited normally.22:15
NooBmonk3yConfiguration unchanged, skipping qmake step.22:15
DocScrutinizeryou got a mistery machine22:15
NooBmonk3yhmmmmmmm22:15
NooBmonk3yit aint unchanged!!!!22:15
NooBmonk3ylol22:15
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DocScrutinizerouch,22:16
NooBmonk3yI just added a button, and it is still saying no change :|22:16
DocScrutinizerheh maybe I can help you22:16
DocScrutinizerremove the executables22:16
DocScrutinizerI know this effect from twinkle and qmake22:16
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DocScrutinizerqmake sometimes is a bitch22:16
NooBmonk3yremove the project's executables?22:17
DocScrutinizeri.e. it doesn't build new, if there's an executable. even when the source changed22:17
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DocScrutinizerthe ones you built previously - yes22:17
NooBmonk3yhmmm done that22:18
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NooBmonk3yjust tried changing the build directory, but not liking that, i wonder if my external HDD is dead :|22:18
NooBmonk3yor dying22:18
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DocScrutinizerunlikely22:18
DocScrutinizeryou got warnings or IO error msgs in syslog?22:19
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NooBmonk3ysyslog?22:20
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NooBmonk3ysorry still new to ubuntu22:20
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DocScrutinizertry22:22
DocScrutinizersmartctl -H /dev/sdb22:23
DocScrutinizers/sdb/whatever_your_drive22:23
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DocScrutinizersyslog may be /var/log/messages or ...syslog or generally /var/log/*22:24
DocScrutinizeryou'll be able to tell by name of file22:24
DocScrutinizerbut22:24
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luke-jrmy syslogs are all using /var/log/everything/current22:24
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above, it's unlikely it's a defect of your drive22:25
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: would you believe me, when I tell you I'm not surprised at all :-P22:25
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NooBmonk3ymeh drive is fine22:28
NooBmonk3yjust baffled22:28
DocScrutinizersure22:28
NooBmonk3ycreated a brand new folder22:28
NooBmonk3ycopied in the project backup from last night22:28
NooBmonk3yopened, cleaned, rebuilt ... same problem, new button not appearing22:28
DocScrutinizertztztz22:29
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DocScrutinizeryou still see ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""?22:32
NooBmonk3yyup22:32
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, ... i'm talking about kernel22:33
DocScrutinizercheck your system date22:33
NooBmonk3ymon 15 nov 8:33pm - correct22:33
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DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: delete all generated files!22:34
NooBmonk3yhmmmm tried that may have found the issue22:34
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NooBmonk3yjust tried the simulator22:34
slonopotamusand then, generate all deleted files!22:34
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NooBmonk3ynever used it b422:34
NooBmonk3yFailed to start program. Path or permissions wrong?22:34
NooBmonk3ypermissions randomly changed somehow to my external hdd?22:34
DocScrutinizerI.E. make clean, then check what's left over that's not a project file but generated by qmake etc, and delete that as well22:34
NooBmonk3ydone that by creating a new folder with the pro etc, and starting again, didnt work22:35
DocScrutinizermeh, you didn't22:35
NooBmonk3yoh22:35
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NooBmonk3yok22:36
NooBmonk3yso delete the hole build folder?22:36
NooBmonk3ywhole*22:36
NooBmonk3ywell contents off22:36
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DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: I can't tell which of your files are generated (like .o etc) and which are project files (like .c, and the ones created by designer, and whatnot)22:37
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DocScrutinizeryou have to learn that yourself22:38
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DocScrutinizergenerally make clean should remove all of the generated files, minus the executables22:38
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NooBmonk3yok well, just opened healthcheck, not touched that in 2 days, added a button, same problem22:39
DocScrutinizerfor qmake this seems to fail sometimes22:39
NooBmonk3ytherefore problem must lay within QT.......  , fresh re-install?22:39
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DocScrutinizer*sigh*22:39
DocScrutinizerrestart project from scratch22:40
DocScrutinizer:-P22:40
NooBmonk3y:|22:40
slonopotamusclear cookies, checks for viruses, install latest servicepack, etc :P22:41
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: you're not listening anyway. So I can even tell you "buy a new computer" it doesn't matter22:41
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Malin_Is it also possible to speed up the built-in browser? I don't think about browsing speed, but it's a bit unresponsible. And is there a way to have a java-plugin to it?22:41
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NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer, its not that i'm not listening, i am trying, but not understanding everything you are saying22:43
NooBmonk3yand i'm trying to be logical22:44
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Gorrothhi22:49
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Gorrothany of you use mobile maps?  wondering how its voice nav is, especially here in the states22:50
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NooBmonk3yphew.... re-install of qt and all working again :)22:55
NooBmonk3ythank you though DocScrutinizer  even if i annoyed ya....22:56
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NooBmonk3yand lol slonopotamus22:56
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chupy35hi, what can i do if the 2gb of my /opt is full, i still have some space on rootfs23:08
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bennypr0fanehello, can you help me with this: If a community app doesn't come with some sort of an instruction manual, where is it best to look for one? I mean, if I can't figure out what exactly the app can or cannot do, is there a default place to look it up? Or are there simply a lot of apps that come without any instructions/documentation about there functionality?  I can't seem to find a system....23:08
wmaroneapps generally have to be documented by the developer, if there isn't any then chances are...23:09
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jacekowskiheheheheh23:10
jacekowskigoogle is claiming that they don't own android23:11
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: odd. as libraries and tools don't wear and rot, you obviously have changed some obscure bit of your configuration of qt. NFC which part of it, or how you did it. Even less of a clue why it threw error ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""23:11
jacekowskiand it's not their fault that it infriges patents23:11
NooBmonk3yDocScrutinizer, i dont have a clue either  :( but tis now working :|23:11
DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: anyway nice to hear it works now23:11
chupy35any idea?23:11
NooBmonk3ythanks - lets hope it stays that way :|23:11
bennypr0fanebut if there is documentation, which would be the first place to look for it? I never seem to the info about apps in the same place, it's just scattered all over the "place"23:12
bennypr0fane*seem to find23:12
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DocScrutinizerchupy35: clean /opt23:13
chupy35just uninstalling apps?23:13
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DocScrutinizerchupy35: there have to be greedy, poorly coded pkgs that eat all that space. I mean 2GIGA byte, c'mon23:14
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DocScrutinizerstart with games23:14
chupy35i know, and i dont have so much apps, that sucks23:14
DocScrutinizeror - even better - du /opt|sort -n23:14
ShadowJKbennypr0fane, yeah I think it sucks too. Often the only place you can find any info is in some thread on talk.maemo.org :/23:14
ShadowJKdid games stop putting data in MyDocs or something? :-(23:15
DocScrutinizerdid games ever start to do that?23:15
DocScrutinizer~optification23:15
infobotmethinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence323:15
DocScrutinizer*and_MyDocs,*23:16
RST38hAnd good evening, ShadowJK23:16
ShadowJKwell they put it in /media/mmc?/ on Maemo4 :)23:16
bennypr0faneShadowJK: well and sometimes not even there, and then you have to ask, and hope it's not a suuuuuper-stupid question someone else asked before and maybe you're posting in the wrong thread and maybe noone's even gonna read your question...23:16
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chupy35angrybirds has alot of data is that maybe cus i flash and reinstall ?23:18
bennypr0faneI specifically want to know about grouping the contacts on N900 - I want to be able to sent group sms. Does anyone know about a decent app that can do that?23:18
chupy35can i delete some of /opt/local ?23:19
chupy35also python23:19
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chupy35on /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/levels i have 8 packs, is that normal? i just install pack 1, 2 and 323:22
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ShadowJKpython is used by many things :/23:23
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BCMMand some people.23:25
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chupy35what can i do, just angrybirds seems to consume alot of space23:26
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tugriki wouldn't remove python, as ShadowJK points out, it's used by many things23:27
chupy35so? my opt is full, is kind of strange23:28
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DocScrutinizerdid you the suggested >>du /opt|sort -n23:29
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DocScrutinizerto identify the hugest hogs23:30
pupnikawesome "Tof-Cameras"23:30
chupy35yes23:30
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chupy35one of the hugest was angrybirds23:30
DocScrutinizerpastebin the last 50 lines23:30
DocScrutinizeruninstall it23:30
chupy35ok23:31
DocScrutinizeroh , mompls23:31
DocScrutinizer>>du -x /opt|sort -n23:31
DocScrutinizeris the correct line23:31
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DocScrutinizer-x for "don't leave that filesystem during scan"23:33
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DocScrutinizerso you don't see possible symlinks as using up space in opt23:34
NooBmonk3ylol preenv has sucked my opt dry ;)23:34
DocScrutinizeryou bet it does :-P23:34
chupy35maube23:34
NooBmonk3y114.5M free lol23:35
DocScrutinizernot preenv but the games though23:35
NooBmonk3ytrue :P23:35
chupy35yes i think is preenv23:35
chupy35also23:35
DocScrutinizertolda start with games23:36
chupy35look http://pastie.org/130080923:36
DocScrutinizerit's always the games (except when a map app goes apeshit)23:36
chupy35but i only have on opt like 520 kbs, preenv maybe?23:37
lardmanKhertan_: ping23:38
DocScrutinizer>>du -x /home|sort -n23:38
DocScrutinizeropt is a subdir of home23:38
lardmananyone had any undefined symbol errors using PyQt4 under PR1.3?23:39
pupnikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TOF_Kamera_3D_Gesicht.jpg  time-of-flight cameras measure time that light travels to subject23:39
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pupnik100 fps.  fast enough to help dodge attacks23:41
lardmanhmm, phase shift measurement23:41
chupy35DosScrutinizer http://pastie.org/130081923:42
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chupy35/home/user space affect /opt space?23:44
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korhojoano, it should not23:44
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chupy35its normal that angrybirds is about 34068 with the 3 levelpacks?23:45
korhojoai have no idea, but that doesn't seem all too large23:45
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ds3is there a nonOVI way of getting angrybirds?23:46
lardmanwhere did you download Angry Birds from?23:46
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ping23:47
RST38h"Your generous blood donations through Memorial Blood Centers will help save lives and fight hunger this holiday season."23:47
lardmanlol23:47
chupy35lardman warez :P23:48
lardmanoh, fair enough23:49
lardmanwhy's Ovi not working now?23:49
NooBmonk3ynow?23:49
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: sure it does. which part of <DocScrutinizer> opt is a subdir of home   was too unclear23:49
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chupy35but why /home has more than 2gb and opt just 2gb DosScruitinizer23:50
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# df -h /home23:51
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on23:51
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G    487.0M      1.4G  25% /home23:51
korhojoahm?23:51
lardmanNooBmonk3y: I thought it worked for a while?23:51
korhojoawhy should /home/user space affect /opt ?23:51
NooBmonk3y;) - lol sorry, was easy picking :p23:51
NooBmonk3yhas worked for a while now :)23:51
DocScrutinizermount23:51
DocScrutinizer/home/opt on /opt type none (bind)23:52
lardmannot for me23:52
korhojoaahh23:52
lardmansays device not recognised or similar23:52
korhojoai thought he meant mydocs23:52
korhojoasorry23:52
korhojoamy bad23:52
chupy35its true :O, so if i delete some preenv games my /opt will have more space?23:52
DocScrutinizeryes23:53
DocScrutinizerof preemt games live somewhere in /home23:53
DocScrutinizerif*23:53
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# df -h /opt23:54
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on23:54
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G    487.0M      1.4G  25% /home23:54
chupy35it worked23:55
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DocScrutinizerof course23:57
chupy35thanks DocScrutinizer23:58
DocScrutinizeryw23:58
chupy35now i have 430 mb23:58
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