IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-15

NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, how do i set a file as executable in terminal?	00:00
MohammadAG	chmod +x	00:00
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmm	00:00
SpeedEvil	NooBmonk3y: If your qeustion is how do I make a file on mydocs executable - the answer is 'you can't	00:01
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NooBmonk3y	naaa on an external HDD	00:02
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esaym153	are then any programs for the n810 that will stream audio from the mic across the internet?	00:02
* MohammadAG wants the tunewiki applet back :/		00:03
T_X	hi there, can anyone tell me which file to use for flashing "secondary" with 0xFFFF from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?	00:03
T_X	there seems to be no "secondary" for the 2104 hw revision inside	00:03
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MohammadAG	where did you get the 2104?	00:04
T_X	0xFFFF -i	00:04
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NooBmonk3y	Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474.	00:04
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1	00:04
NooBmonk3y	But chmod +x rules does nothing	00:05
T_X	for xloader and 2nd, there are matching files for 2104 after unpacking. however, not for secondary-	00:05
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NooBmonk3y	and if i use the file manager and try to set it to executable the tick box goes straight back to being unticked?!	00:05
* MohammadAG hates madde		00:06
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, how are you running dpkg-buildpackage?	00:06
T_X	or can I just use secondary-RX-51,2101,2102,2103-1.4.14.9+0m5 instead?	00:06
MohammadAG	NO!	00:06
MohammadAG	revisions are different for a reason	00:07
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MohammadAG	where did you get the 2104 device?	00:07
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NooBmonk3y	mad dpkg-buildpackage	00:08
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T_X	MohammadAG: as I said, with 0xFFFF -i	00:11
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MohammadAG	where did you get the _DEVICE_	00:11
T_X	sudo ../0xFFFF -i <─(Mon,Nov15)─┘	00:11
T_X	[sudo] password for root:	00:11
T_X	021 found!	00:11
T_X	Driver:	00:11
T_X	found n770/n810/n900 (0421:0105)	00:11
T_X	No software version detected	00:11
MohammadAG	not the info about it	00:11
T_X	HW revision string: 'prod_code:RX-51,hw_rev:2104�'	00:12
T_X	SubVersionString autodetected: '2104�'	00:12
T_X	oh, eh, got it as a gift	00:12
T_X	MohammadAG: why?	00:12
MohammadAG	cause the only devices I've seen on sale are 2101	00:12
MohammadAG	with 1xxx and others as prototypes	00:12
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T_X	MohammadAG: hmm, okay. so, should I ask the person I got it from, where he got it from? :)	00:14
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmm	00:14
MohammadAG	that would be a start, but I'd ping someone from nokia to get the image	00:14
MohammadAG	GeneralAntilles1, might be able to help you, but he's away for the MeeGo conference	00:15
T_X	pfeh, okay	00:15
MohammadAG	if you want to reflash you could possibly reflash the rootfs alone	00:15
T_X	now I'm curious too, what I got here :D	00:15
T_X	MohammadAG: but the boot-loader is stored on the xloader partition, right?	00:15
MohammadAG	indeed, I've only seen 2101s	00:15
MohammadAG	yes	00:16
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MohammadAG	flashing the rootfs should in theory work fine	00:16
MohammadAG	in theory	00:16
T_X	the thing is, I installed the multiboot package and now I can't boot it anymore, as the there's nothing in the multiboot list	00:16
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, how do i tell if my external hdd is mounted with a noexec option?	00:16
MohammadAG	mount	00:16
MohammadAG	T_X, try pressing 0	00:17
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NooBmonk3y	/dev/sdb1 on /media/FreeAgent Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)	00:17
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MohammadAG	what's fuseblk o_O	00:18
MohammadAG	oh, ntfs?	00:18
NooBmonk3y	probably!	00:18
NooBmonk3y	its the one with all my stuff on it	00:18
MohammadAG	it can't hold permissions I guess	00:18
NooBmonk3y	oh ffs	00:19
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NooBmonk3y	ok so move it elsewhere	00:19
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NooBmonk3y	yay moving it worked!	00:20
NooBmonk3y	now onto the next error!	00:20
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'	00:20
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b MaeCount-0.6.0 gave error exit status 255	00:20
MohammadAG	small case only	00:21
NooBmonk3y	ooo in what, all files/folders?	00:21
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MohammadAG	no, the source dir	00:21
MohammadAG	mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount	00:22
NooBmonk3y	allll these rules to get 1 thing right lol	00:22
MohammadAG	or	00:22
MohammadAG	mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount-0.6	00:22
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NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmm	00:23
NooBmonk3y	renamed	00:23
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NooBmonk3y	re-run	00:23
NooBmonk3y	same error	00:23
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmmm	00:23
NooBmonk3y	it's gotta be in a file somewhere	00:23
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NooBmonk3y	the pro file is the only file with a capital letter	00:24
NooBmonk3y	maybe that?	00:24
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'	00:24
NooBmonk3y	actually source package name hmmmmmmmmm	00:24
MohammadAG	no	00:25
MohammadAG	changelog	00:25
T_X	MohammadAG: wow, -> + 0 (= 0) worked!	00:26
NooBmonk3y	wow	00:26
T_X	awesome, how was I supposed to know that :D?	00:26
NooBmonk3y	its doing something	00:26
T_X	how can I find out about such secret keyboard commands :D?	00:26
MohammadAG	:D	00:26
NooBmonk3y	hmmm one last error! yay!	00:27
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M'	00:27
MohammadAG	X shuts down	00:27
NooBmonk3y	ffs	00:27
NooBmonk3y	darn copy	00:27
MohammadAG	I think it's in the readme :P	00:27
NooBmonk3y	parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l5): badly formatted trailer line	00:27
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, copy my debian/ directory	00:27
Venemo	hey again guys	00:27
NooBmonk3y	i did lol	00:27
Venemo	sorry, the N900 died just 20 minutes before I arrived home	00:27
Venemo	NooBmonk3y: still having issues?	00:27
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, the source directory	00:28
MohammadAG	do this	00:28
Malin_	is there any good idea to overclock my N900 to 750Mhz?	00:28
MohammadAG	cd ..; mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount; cd maecount; mad dpkg-buildpackage -b	00:28
Venemo	Malin_: the good idea is not to overclock	00:28
MohammadAG	Malin_, we hate overclocking overall tbh	00:28
Malin_	Venemo, as I thought	00:28
MohammadAG	http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg	00:28
Venemo	MohammadAG: what did you say about changing PATH permanently?	00:29
Malin_	Guess there are other ways to get it more snappy? Some times I can't take a call, because it reacts so slow	00:29
MohammadAG	edit your ~/.profile	00:29
Venemo	cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory	00:29
MohammadAG	enable HW sync in hildon-desktop, makes the desktop more prone to crashes, but makes the device wonderful to use	00:29
Malin_	prone?	00:30
Venemo	MohammadAG: I thought that was not possible...? what did I miss?	00:30
MohammadAG	it might crash sometimes	00:30
MohammadAG	Venemo, not VSync	00:30
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini	00:30
Malin_	awh yeah, I checd the word in google translate :)	00:30
MohammadAG	[hildon-desktop]	00:30
MohammadAG	WSEGL_UseHWSync=1	00:30
NooBmonk3y	wow	00:30
MohammadAG	it's 0 by default	00:30
NooBmonk3y	erm	00:30
Malin_	I will try it :D	00:30
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Venemo	MohammadAG: so what is this HW sync?	00:31
Malin_	smart I can access my phone with ssh :D	00:31
MohammadAG	Venemo, try it	00:31
MohammadAG	though I suggest turning of blurs in transitions.ini	00:31
MohammadAG	under [home], change radius and radius_more to 0, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini	00:31
Venemo	MohammadAG: 'cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory' -> any clue about this?	00:32
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MohammadAG	hmm	00:32
GeneralAntilles	We found the clubhouse in D4.	00:33
MohammadAG	even my N900 has a .profile file...	00:33
MohammadAG	Venemo, edit /etc/profile then	00:33
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Shush	00:37
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Private club	00:37
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* MohammadAG sobs		00:39
pupnik	so quiet	00:40
Malin_	wow... it become way more snappy after setting it to 1 :D	00:40
MohammadAG	it'll crash, eventually :P	00:41
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MohammadAG	I still have it on though	00:41
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SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/stars.jpg Astrophotograpy on the n900. (fcam, 3200iso, 1s)	00:41
SpeedEvil	It's cloudy here - hence there are not many stars.	00:41
SpeedEvil	But for a handheld attempt, I was surprised.	00:41
MohammadAG	too, much, noise :P	00:42
SpeedEvil	yes.	00:42
SpeedEvil	I need to try it actually holding it still, with a dark sky	00:43
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	00:43
cehteh	just open stellarium and done :)	00:44
SpeedEvil	cehteh: that doesn't tell you about new supernovae, or iridium flares.	00:45
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DocScrutinizer	not even competes to this: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10042	00:46
pupnik	a ufo!	00:47
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SpeedEvil	Need to set the exposure way down for the moon	00:47
SpeedEvil	it's daytime there.	00:47
pupnik	what's your favorite shot that you took with a n900? link.	00:48
cehteh	SpeedEvil: stellarium has a plugin system, there is a satellites plugin, unfortunally with ugly graphics, but i bet one can add iridium flares there	00:48
SpeedEvil	hmm	00:48
cehteh	and for supernovae .. well maybe too, but first i wait for the implementation of commets	00:48
cehteh	that would be nice	00:48
SpeedEvil	http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5028190910/ is quite nice.	00:48
cehteh	there was some discussion about rendering realistic comets	00:49
pupnik	http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4863049623/ i like that one	00:49
Malin_	it switches so fast and smooth between the windows now :D	00:49
pupnik	pretty SpeedEvil	00:49
Malin_	but yeah, if it crash, it crash....	00:49
SpeedEvil	http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/	00:49
SpeedEvil	Was just after I'd gotten the n900	00:50
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MohammadAG	Malin_, if it crashes, you HAVE to reboot	00:50
pupnik	wow lots of work	00:50
MohammadAG	killing the desktop won't do anything, it's just dead there	00:50
cehteh	http://www.lumiera.org/20101114_002.jpg haha my recent n900 pic :P	00:50
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DocScrutinizer	cehteh: haha, supenovae that's been a killer app for whole science	00:50
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pupnik	everybody working on their house	00:51
SpeedEvil	http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ - and a shot from this summer of the garden.	00:51
Venemo	MohammadAG: I asked about PATH on #fedora	00:51
DocScrutinizer	cehteh: why not falling stars as well ? :-P	00:51
pupnik	it looks so nice now SpeedEvil - i thought your piles of dirt were permanent	00:51
cehteh	DocScrutinizer: thats already there	00:51
cehteh	(since years)	00:52
Venemo	MohammadAG: the guys kindly educated me about that one should put a script to /etc/profile.d	00:52
DocScrutinizer	realtime ?	00:52
Venemo	MohammadAG: did that, works :P	00:52
SpeedEvil	cehteh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/in/set-72157624825188447/	00:52
cehteh	nah pseudorandom	00:52
DocScrutinizer	:-P	00:52
DocScrutinizer	pffff	00:52
cehteh	SpeedEvil: lol	00:52
SpeedEvil	pupnik: well - behind that picture were the piles. Though there has been a _lot_ of progress on the lawns.	00:53
SpeedEvil	http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/	00:53
HRH_H_Crab	hi, im desperate to try and get mpd installed on my n900 (but im beginning to think its not possible)	00:53
HRH_H_Crab	i've found this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd/	00:54
HRH_H_Crab	but i can't seem to figure out what repository to add, or if that package is even suitable for the n900.	00:54
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: thanks for sharing. Never noticed that	00:54
HRH_H_Crab	i'm guessing thats for one of the older tablets?	00:54
HRH_H_Crab	can anyone assist a n00b?	00:54
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MohammadAG	Venemo, never noticed /etc/profile.d, ty :)	00:55
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Venemo	DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG :)	00:56
MohammadAG	so, any suggestions before burning this microSD?	00:56
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: dd?	00:57
DocScrutinizer51	clean contacts?	00:57
Venemo	MohammadAG: low level formatting or something like that	00:57
Venemo	dunno it that's even possible for a microSD	00:57
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, no dev node	00:58
DocScrutinizer51	ouch	00:58
DocScrutinizer51	there's been some tool to read out device basic data (ser#, manuf, pagesize, shit, class...)	01:00
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, !!! 3rd attempt, still building, and not instantly failed	01:00
NooBmonk3y	i may have almost got it right!	01:00
Dhraakellian	wewt!	01:00
Dhraakellian	I was able to edit the file from nitdroid!	01:00
Dhraakellian	needed a chmod 777	01:00
Dhraakellian	since chmod a+w didn't work	01:01
* Dhraakellian is booting back into maemo now to see if hildon-desktop still craps out		01:01
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Dhraakellian	W00WH0M!	01:02
Dhraakellian	ahem	01:02
Dhraakellian	sorry 'bout that	01:02
T_X	MohammadAG: ah, now I got it, you're the maintainer :D. well, anyway, thanks again for the info :)	01:03
Dhraakellian	now, is there any disadvantage to leaving the n900 in R&D mode?	01:03
pupnik	what	01:03
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pupnik	people thinking you're silly	01:03
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: problem fixed through NITDroid	01:03
MohammadAG	T_X, I'm not the developer though :)	01:03
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, I always have my device in R&D mode	01:04
DocScrutinizer	it's discouraged	01:04
MohammadAG	with /etc/pmconfig's last line set to 0 to switch off lights	01:04
Venemo	MohammadAG: what good is R&D mode?	01:04
cehteh	blinking keyboard ftw :)	01:04
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* cehteh never used R&D mode		01:04
MohammadAG	Venemo, I don't have to worry about dsme causing bootloops	01:05
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MohammadAG	I can gain root without having rootsh	01:05
MohammadAG	very useful to install rootsh without using HAM :P	01:05
Venemo	MohammadAG: does it have any disadvantages?	01:05
DocScrutinizer	meh	01:05
DocScrutinizer	yes, sucks battery	01:05
Dhraakellian	ah	01:05
MohammadAG	if the lights are kept on	01:06
Dhraakellian	that'd be a good reason to turn it off	01:06
DocScrutinizer	won't restart services as you're used to	01:06
cehteh	ohnoes .. kamera doesnt work with power95	01:06
cehteh	45	01:06
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, or turn off lights	01:06
MohammadAG	as I do	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	still shit	01:06
MohammadAG	cehteh, fcamera*	01:06
cehteh	so far the stock camera app was still easier and better than fcam	01:07
DocScrutinizer	btw I wonder how that crap with root w/o rootsh works.	01:07
panda\|x201	Hi, anybody can let me know how to reach to the guy maintain Qole.org?	01:07
cehteh	hey and fcam doesnt work either	01:07
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, sudo gainroot	01:07
MohammadAG	cat /usr/sbin/gainroot without rootsh	01:07
DocScrutinizer	what for do I fix my etc/sudoers.d/* when r&d makes device open like FR again?	01:08
MohammadAG	it's something like (pseudo code) if R&D enabled, gain a root shell, else, say enable R&D mode to break your device	01:08
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, gainroot is always in sudoers	01:08
DocScrutinizer	not in mine	01:09
DocScrutinizer	at least not the way you think it is	01:09
Jaffa	panda\|x201: He's sat over there -----^	01:09
MohammadAG	it's ALWAYS in it, sure of that	01:09
Jaffa	Well, he was.	01:09
MohammadAG	but the script can only be used if R&D mode if on	01:09
cehteh	uhm there are graphics errors in the menues too ..	01:09
panda\|x201	Jaffa, over where? I mean I didn't find any email contact method or IRC nick on this website	01:09
MohammadAG	it checks using cal-tool	01:09
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: not after rm -rf /etc/sud*	01:09
panda\|x201	Jaffa, actually, I do wanna donate his excellent contribution	01:10
Jaffa	panda\|x201: As in, he was just sat in the same room as me 5 minutes ago.	01:10
Jaffa	panda\|x201: I've left a message for him	01:10
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, lol k	01:10
panda\|x201	Jaffa, oh, really? physically in one room? or irc room?	01:10
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	01:10
panda\|x201	Jaffa, thanks anyway	01:10
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cehteh	ok power45 is borked	01:13
MohammadAG	how?	01:14
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cehteh	no camera (neither bless900 nor fcam)	01:15
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cehteh	and some pixel errors in the menu, seems some graphics memory overwritten somehow	01:16
ShadowJK	well duh :-)	01:16
cehteh	lets test gps now	01:16
MohammadAG	cehteh, restart, the menu thing is an old hildon-desktop bug afaik	01:17
cehteh	yeah .. but still no camera	01:17
cehteh	fcam shows a grey screen only	01:17
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cehteh	cant close fcam, have to kill it	01:18
MohammadAG	remove fcam-drivers?	01:18
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cehteh	flashlight doesnt work either	01:18
ShadowJK	fcam wont work because the fcam kernel module wont load on random kernels	01:18
MohammadAG	remove fcam-drivers?	01:19
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, it doesn't work even with the new headers	01:19
cehteh	ok lemme check for gps	01:19
cehteh	no gps ...	01:20
cehteh	remove this kernel i say	01:20
MohammadAG	GPS works for me...	01:22
MohammadAG	don't blame the kernel, blame the user :P	01:22
cehteh	haha	01:22
MohammadAG	power45 has hostmode patches as well as 1.3's patchet	01:22
MohammadAG	patchset	01:22
cehteh	what can i do but turning it on	01:23
cehteh	mappero just dont get a fix, gps logger doesnt open. possibly crashes	01:23
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cehteh	back to power40+hostmode	01:28
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DocScrutinizer51	Power40+hostmode?	01:42
DocScrutinizer51	never been such thing?	01:42
MohammadAG	that's power42 I think	01:42
MohammadAG	power45 is fine	01:42
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cehteh	MohammadAG's prelimary was power40+hostmode	01:46
cehteh	(never official or?)	01:46
MohammadAG	power 40 + hostmode is mine	01:47
cehteh	yes	01:47
cehteh	i am using that	01:47
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: GUI update?	01:48
MohammadAG	nope, haven't pushed anything today	01:49
MohammadAG	0.2-8 is days old	01:49
MohammadAG	fixes mount issues to shut users up	01:49
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cehteh	n8	01:49
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DocScrutinizer51	n8 cT	01:51
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: I already started bashing users about no special kernel dependencies, GUI will check and warn	01:52
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alterego	I know we mock Nokia a lot, but tbh, they have put a lot of work into maemo and the N900	01:59
MohammadAG	alterego, indeed, I was thinking about that today tbh	02:00
alterego	If the platform was as still born as everyone seems to think then there's been a lot of wasted effort on documentation and code :/	02:00
MohammadAG	hildon-desktop would be one	02:00
alterego	I'm just browsing the Qt maemo5 documentation, and I was thinking, we've always had pretty good api level documentation. It's much better now than it used to be.	02:02
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alterego	I've just finished porting all my custom widgets to Qt Quick/QML too, so my GPS app will be QML'd up now :)	02:03
MohammadAG	noobish question, what's QML :3	02:04
alterego	It's the new user interface design language for Qt Quick	02:04
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alterego	Came with Qt 4.7	02:04
alterego	Haven't you seen all the hype about it? :D	02:05
MohammadAG	yeah, but when I see hype I'm like meh	02:06
alterego	:)	02:06
alterego	It's pretty cool.	02:06
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alterego	For building UIs with	02:06
MohammadAG	better than designer? :P	02:07
alterego	It'll be probably 90% of future apps on Nokia devices.	02:07
alterego	Because it's so easy to pick up, I can see a lot of "fart" apps being implemented in it in the future :)	02:08
alterego	There's a graphical designer for it in Qt Creator.	02:08
pupnik	beats tweak/build/run/tweak/build/run cycle	02:12
MohammadAG	alterego, where?	02:13
alterego	Yeah and it makes it really easy to bind your C++ app engine code to a javascript environment.	02:13
MohammadAG	QML?	02:13
MohammadAG	wait what?	02:13
MohammadAG	it's javascript?	02:13
alterego	MohammadAG: just create a QML project and when editing a .qml file you're given the declarative editor instead of the standard designer.	02:13
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alterego	Kind of json mixed with javascript yeah.	02:14
alterego	It occured to me that if I write my app core in Qt, then expose the api to QtQuick/Qml, I can tweak my UIs whilst on the road.	02:14
alterego	Then, once I'm happy with the UI, I can package it all into one executable.	02:15
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panda\|x201	Jaffa, hi, still around? any response from qole?	02:22
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Venemo	alterego: I still don't get it why they invented QML instead of just using XAML	02:29
nox-	isnt that .net ?	02:30
nox-	i.e. ms?	02:30
chx	alterego: GPS app?	02:30
Venemo	nox-: XAML = extensible application markup langueage	02:30
Venemo	nox-: language*	02:31
Venemo	nox-: it is just XML which is dead easy to write	02:31
nox-	hm	02:31
chx	XML :(	02:31
alterego	Venemo: because XML is ugly.	02:31
Venemo	alterego: lol. javascript is ugly	02:32
alterego	json is much more succinct ...	02:32
Venemo	alterego: XML is not.	02:32
Venemo	alterego: hehe :D	02:32
alterego	xml is fine, for data interchange.	02:32
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alterego	It's not fine for humans to read/write ...	02:32
Serpent	for complex, data interchange!	02:32
alterego	Let alone ui designers.	02:32
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alterego	And there's nothing ugly about javascript, it's a pretty neat scripting language.	02:33
jacekowski	but some people do ugly things with it	02:34
alterego	Indeed	02:34
alterego	It's nicer than Perl :D	02:34
alterego	I think it's nicer than Python too	02:34
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Serpent	similar to python, but why nicer?	02:35
alterego	Because Python does a lot of things, well, wrong.	02:36
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alterego	It's object orientation is a bit of a joke, closures are broken aswell.	02:37
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alterego	It's just not as nice a language as Ruby or JavaScript.	02:37
jacekowski	it's all same crap	02:37
jacekowski	php perl python	02:38
alterego	Yeah, they are the bottom of the barrel :P	02:38
jacekowski	and prolog	02:38
alterego	Heh, not used prolog	02:38
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jacekowski	well, prolog isn't crap	02:39
Serpent	I dont know why you say that its object orientation is a joke	02:39
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alterego	Anyone got an interesting XML source they want wrapped up with a nice 900 ui?	02:39
jacekowski	but it's not a regular every day programming language	02:39
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alterego	Serpent: because, it is :P	02:39
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Serpent	in which way?	02:39
alterego	It's ugly and hackishp	02:40
alterego	Maybe not as ugly as perls' OO but it's still nasty.	02:40
alterego	It's like writing OO in C using gobject styles.	02:40
alterego	I've just come to expect more from high level dynamic languages	02:41
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alterego	Anyhow, XML data, I want to play with Qt Quicks XML data stuff but I don't have an interesting source of information.	02:42
alterego	Anyone got anything interesting? :)	02:44
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k Goldman Sachs, The Federal Reserve, and Quantitative Easing explaned - VERY GOOD	02:44
jacekowski	http://www.eevblog.com/2010/11/08/hardware-will-cut-you/	02:45
jacekowski	i have this	02:45
SpeedEvil	alterego: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm 160GB of XML goodness.	02:45
alterego	Heh	02:45
SpeedEvil	http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml	02:46
SpeedEvil	more seriouslty	02:46
alterego	Yeah, I was thinking weather.	02:47
alterego	Just had another neat idea for an app.	02:48
alterego	But I'm not surew who's want to use it ...	02:48
alterego	A satellite visualization, basically a map of the world with satellite position and orbit plotting.	02:49
Serpent	I dont know if you are interested in the python discussion, but I believe the closures issue is long gone	02:49
alterego	I might integrate it into my gps app.	02:49
alterego	Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks.	02:50
jacekowski	8% [+++++++=====> ] 1,121,910,360 18.3M/s eta 15m 12s	02:51
jacekowski	12G compressed	02:51
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MohammadAG	sigh, if only networks in IL were that fast	02:52
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gustavoferreira	hello everyone	03:00
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gustavoferreira	could someone confirm that are receiving my text, thank you	03:02
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nox-	`loud and clear'	03:03
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gustavoferreira	thank you very much, it's my first time on this channel, actually, it's the first time on maemo community	03:03
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DocScrutinizer	welcome	03:07
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DocScrutinizer	remember ~ask and ~question	03:07
DocScrutinizer	gustavoferreira: and ping me if you got any problems with this channel	03:08
DocScrutinizer	~ask	03:08
infobot	Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.	03:08
DocScrutinizer	~question	03:08
infobot	question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html	03:08
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DocScrutinizer	gustavoferreira: if you're in doubt about your online status:	03:09
DocScrutinizer	~botsnack	03:09
infobot	DocScrutinizer: :)	03:09
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DocScrutinizer	or	03:10
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DocScrutinizer	~ping	03:10
infobot	~pong	03:10
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gustavoferreira	thank you very much for your information. i promise i'll behave as you expect.	03:13
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DocScrutinizer	:-)	03:13
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DocScrutinizer	nobody here beahves 'as expected'	03:13
DocScrutinizer	but we all try - usually :-D	03:14
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gustavoferreira	:P ok, good shot	03:14
Venemo	gustavoferreira: hi :)	03:16
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gustavoferreira	So, i want to make deb files from my programs to maemo, i have been searching for methods to do this, and i just see process that make me going all the way down through control files and all that stuff, what i want to know is, if that is any way to make deb files from binarys (i program in C and use GTK+)	03:22
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gustavoferreira	i know for C++ and Qt the software we use "automatically" creates a deb file, is there any program out there that does the same but with C code plus GTK+? (sorry for my spelling mistakes, english is not my mother tong)	03:24
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lolcat	Hello	03:28
lolcat	I forgott my phone in my car	03:28
lolcat	How can I find the IP?	03:29
lolcat	It is loging me off MSN	03:29
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TiagoTiago	hi	03:43
lolcat	hi	03:43
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TiagoTiago	is there somewhere a step by step tutorial on getting out of dependencies knots for complete newbies?	03:44
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SpeedEvil	~flashing	03:45
infobot	hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	03:45
TiagoTiago	i don't mean giving up and starting from scratch, i mean actually fixing things	03:45
SpeedEvil	Sorry - working out dependancies doesn't really seem noob-like	03:46
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TiagoTiago	the general concepts seem simple enough, some pacckages need other packages and somtimes multiple packages conflict with what they wanna have installed	03:47
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TiagoTiago	by newbie i don't mean clueless idiot, i just mean someone that doesn't now much about the topic yet	03:55
pupnik	gustavoferreira: sorry nobody responded - 1) yes you can make deb files from binaries, but not uploa them to the maemo repository.	04:01
pupnik	-2) i don't know of a way to create a debian package automatically without all the context of a project builder	04:02
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gustavoferreira	thank you for your response, i already made all the process and i got a deb file and i could install it on my nokia n900, it also appeared in the "software installed" but i'm facing a problem right now, how can i put my application on my "application window" without messing (at least directly) with those files (xml i think?!?) that describe what and how are the apps shown on the application window	04:08
MohammadAG	this might help http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging	04:09
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TiagoTiago	ok, how about a step by step tutorial for those not so newbie then?	04:10
Termana	good morning	04:10
MohammadAG	hi Bradley	04:11
* MohammadAG loves idents		04:11
Termana	MohammadAG, my name is on my twitter account as well, which you follow. Like I'm really trying to withhold my name from you	04:11
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Termana	:P	04:11
MohammadAG	well, you should worry about your IP more than your ident :P	04:12
MohammadAG	Termana, seriously, you should hide your name, like I do	04:12
Termana	MohammadAG, I think I'll be fine with my IP address. I run OpenBSD. :P No I don't actually, I run Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm waiting for MeeGo to get masks	04:13
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Termana	MohammadAG, hah. Your name is "top secret"	04:14
Termana	:P	04:14
Termana	(Well unless someone intends to bring a big connection and ping flood me, I feel I'll be fine)	04:15
gustavoferreira	MohammadAG: thank you for this tutorial, i'll have a read, but for what i can see, this is for deb files made from source code, and, what about binaries? is there any tutorial? Because i think it will be less probable something going wrong with binaries ( or am i wrong?)	04:15
MohammadAG	Termana, yes, I'm disguised as MohammadAG, a combination of Mohammad and Rapidshare AG	04:16
MohammadAG	if you build from binaries then the app will be non-free, and yes, it's easy, follow the same tutorial and add the fles to the install file	04:16
pupnik	you have application icons in a separate directory called icons/ ?	04:18
gustavoferreira	no, i have it on the control file	04:19
gustavoferreira	MohammadAG: it isn't that i don't want it to be free, just because i think that is easier, but if it has the same dificulty degree, then, let's make it from source code	04:20
MohammadAG	same difficulty	04:21
gustavoferreira	ok, thank you	04:22
MohammadAG	read the tutorial, it covers most things :)	04:22
MohammadAG	feel free to look at existing packages	04:22
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gustavoferreira	one more thing (this one may seems ridiculous, but here we go) how can i have 100% sure what my application depends on?	04:24
MohammadAG	scroll down in my page, it I mention shlibs:Depends	04:25
MohammadAG	for C/C++, it'll fill in depends from ldd	04:25
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gustavoferreira	"Depends: apt, ${shlibs:Depends}" you are right.	04:29
gustavoferreira	and my last question, to make my application icon appear in the applications windows, i just need to put a .desktop file (with all the required info of course) on the directory you specified? just that?	04:31
MohammadAG	apt is just an example	04:31
MohammadAG	you don't need it	04:31
MohammadAG	yes	04:31
MohammadAG	example.desktop usr/share/applications/hildon	04:31
MohammadAG	in your .install file should do it	04:32
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gustavoferreira	thank you very much that was a precious information for me. Is there any wiki or so that talks about maemo structs? i mean, what does each directory, or what they are meant to have, in short, how is file system in maemo organized?	04:34
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MohammadAG	hmm, general linux I'd say	04:35
DocScrutinizer51	hell, don't you ever sleep?	04:35
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DocScrutinizer51	would you please check #9 and update #1	04:36
gustavoferreira	DocScrutinizer51: is that for me? i didn't understand for who you were talking	04:37
pupnik	http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/impostor.png ahahahah	04:37
MohammadAG	probably me	04:37
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG:	04:37
gustavoferreira	oh ok, sorry	04:38
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, nope, holidays -> no sleep :D	04:38
DocScrutinizer51	:-D	04:39
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gustavoferreira	MohammadAG: you are right, but there are things specific to maemo/hildon right?	04:41
gustavoferreira	in the structure of file system	04:41
MohammadAG	nope	04:42
MohammadAG	maybe configs, but the basic hierarchy is the same	04:42
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b-man`	maemo is structured quite like debian	04:43
b-man`	with some exceptions	04:43
gustavoferreira	ok, i'm sorry then, i'm new in some way in Debian, more specific on Ubuntu. I guess i need to study debian file system structure then. Thank you vey much for your time.	04:44
DocScrutinizer	maemo/debian/ubuntu all follow FHS very closely. Except for maemo and...:	04:46
DocScrutinizer	~optification	04:47
infobot	hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3	04:47
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Venemo	what is FHS?	04:50
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gustavoferreira	Filesystem Hierarchy Standard i guess	04:50
gustavoferreira	thank you guys for your time	04:51
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gustavoferreira	where can i get some source code, or deb file of a program for maemo to see the structure?	05:02
nidO	maemo.org/packages	05:03
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gustavoferreira	thanks	05:04
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Gorroth	yo yo yo	09:19
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lardman	morning	09:23
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lardman	Just had a play (well yesterday) with an HTC Desire HD	09:27
lardman	really rather good	09:27
lardman	come on Nokia.... :)	09:27
kerio	Gorroth: yo dawg	09:28
Gorroth	what up in the hizzie	09:28
Gorroth	s/what/wut	09:28
Gorroth	s/the/da/	09:29
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khertan_	Morning	09:32
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lardman	morning khertan_	09:32
khertan_	lardman, morning lardman	09:34
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* khertan_ just see that there is a talk about dev with python on meego ...		09:34
* khertan_ so binding should be here :)		09:34
* lardman is trying to get Python scripting working with mBarcode		09:35
lardman	which version is that? 2.6	09:35
khertan_	2.6	09:35
khertan_	2.6 on meego core	09:36
khertan_	1.1	09:36
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lardman	hmm, somewhat terse the errors output by sip	09:37
khertan_	on mBarcode ?	09:38
Gorroth	is the hardware on the N900 capable of supporting wireless "Master" mode, and it's just a limitation of the drivers, or is it just that the hardware is incapable of supporting that mode?	09:38
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lardman	khertan_: Am creating a SIP wrapper so I can cast the Python plugins to C++ classes and call them from the main mBarcode code	09:39
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khertan_	hum ... this is the part of Python that i never try :)	09:40
lardman	for good reason! :)	09:40
khertan_	lardman, yep as i didn't code in c ... so made plugins for my apps isn't so difficult :)	09:41
lardman	Python was too slow for the main code	09:42
lardman	but great for plugins, assuming I can get this working	09:42
flux	gorroth, I think all hardware as such is capable of that mode, but their firmware might not be	09:42
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flux	how does joikuspot work, is it in infrastructure mode?	09:43
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flux	(possibly it comes with its own wlan firmware, if it's been done with co-operation with Nokia)	09:43
Gorroth	hmm	09:43
Gorroth	i guess i should get joikuspot	09:43
Gorroth	see if i can setup iptables to work in conjuncton with it	09:43
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khertan_	lardman, python is fast enought for anythings except some slow things like image analysis ... what you are doing with mBarcode :)	09:44
khertan_	so why not do the thing in the other way	09:44
khertan_	create a small c python plugin to do the analysis	09:45
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lardman	I can't remember now, lost in the mists of time	09:45
khertan_	:)	09:45
khertan_	a good reason :)	09:45
lardman	seemed like it at the time	09:46
lardman	but isn't that always the way...? :)	09:46
flux	lardman, have you considered a generic exec/socket/dbus interface that allows to write plugins in any language? or is that exactly what you're doing?-)	09:46
khertan_	lardman, i think gedit should be a good example for plugin integration :)	09:47
lardman	flux: considered, but I really don't have all that much time, and getting that intergrated with the ui would be timeconsuming	09:47
lardman	though we do broadcast DBus messages, and I was writing a DBus plugin handler (though I think I'll skip that and use Python plugins to allow people to wrap DBus calls)	09:48
lardman	otherwise the conf file has to be quite complex to specify how the barcode payload needs to be parsed and checked	09:48
lardman	hmm, circular dependency in my sip files	09:52
lardman	drat	09:52
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lardman	hmm, I wonder if someone is trying to tell me something :)	09:53
lardman	qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped	09:53
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crashanddie	'morning maemo	10:11
marmoute	maemorning	10:12
lardman	hi crashanddie	10:12
crashanddie	hey lardman, how's it going?	10:12
lardman	alright, just cusring sip	10:12
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crashanddie	need help?	10:12
lardman	think I'm sorted now, thanks thogh	10:12
crashanddie	np	10:13
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crashanddie	SIP'ing too much of the good stuff will do that to you.	10:13
khertan_	maemorning crashanddie	10:13
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lardman	cu later chaps	10:44
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GAN900	Hopefully WiFi will hold out for the transcripts.	10:56
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Khertan_	I'm listening via streaming ... music is horrible	11:09
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crashanddie	streaming URL?	11:15
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timsamoff	MeeGoConf Keynote has begun: Doug Fisher from Intel.	11:21
Khertan_	crashanddie: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming	11:23
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mj_	Has anybody tried creating an app to make a voice call using Qt ?	11:30
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crashanddie	Intel giving away Lenovo IdeaPads to all attendants	11:47
MohammadAG	fuck my government and their rules	11:48
* MohammadAG stabs povbot, you didn't see that		11:49
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javispedro	~ping	11:54
infobot	~pong	11:54
javispedro	wow, horrible lag.	11:54
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jpinx-eeepc	Is there any way to prevent the n900 comingg on when the slider is opened? I'd like to have "resume" only on the flick switch	11:56
crashanddie	jpinx-eeepc, don't think so	11:56
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crashanddie	jpinx-eeepc, unless you rip out the magnet	11:57
jpinx-eeepc	heh	11:57
RobbieThe1st	Out of curiosity, why?	11:57
MohammadAG	check mce.ini	11:57
jpinx-eeepc	damn thing keeps opeing in my pocket	11:57
RobbieThe1st	ah	11:57
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jpinx-eeepc	MohammadAG: mce.ini is where?	11:57
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:58
crashanddie	morning Jaffa	11:58
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jpinx-eeepc	also -- ow do I reset the lock code when I don't know the old one? Joys of buying a 2nd hand n900 :(	11:58
crashanddie	Jaffa, you in Dublin?	11:59
MohammadAG	/etc/mce/mce.ini	11:59
MohammadAG	though i doubt it's possible	11:59
MohammadAG	crashanddie, yes he is :P	11:59
MohammadAG	Morning Jaffa	11:59
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crashanddie	Jaffa, getting bored to hell by Alberto?	12:00
jpinx-eeepc	MohammadAG: I'll take a look later - thanks :) Any clues about the lock-code change?	12:00
MohammadAG	yeah	12:00
ShadowJK	iirc there's a thread on tmo	12:00
MohammadAG	some app in the repos by qwerty12	12:00
MohammadAG	or just cat /dev/mtd1 and jack the ripper it	12:01
MohammadAG	it's a DES encrypted lock code	12:01
Jaffa	crashanddie: Yup	12:01
timsamoff	Hi Jaffa. Long time. :p	12:01
Jaffa	timsamoff: Network@'s shit.	12:02
javispedro	yep	12:02
* Jaffa wonders how many people've bought big, thick, slow, heavy netbook/tablet hybrids.		12:02
RobbieThe1st	for?	12:03
crashanddie	timsamoff, shame we won't be seeing each other this year.	12:03
RobbieThe1st	Admittedly, I have something like that, but its more of a notebook/tablet hybrid, and I got it for free, so...	12:04
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MohammadAG	who's talking on the live stream?	12:06
timsamoff	Crashanddie	12:07
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crashanddie	MohammadAG, Alberto Tores	12:07
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MohammadAG	I thought he wasn't going o_O	12:07
MohammadAG	oh, never seen his name before :P	12:08
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timeless_n900	mohammad, he took over in the nokia meego organization when someone left	12:10
javispedro	bah, I get bumped off network every minute	12:10
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javispedro	~ping	12:10
infobot	~pong	12:10
MohammadAG	Ari Jaaski?	12:10
MohammadAG	javispedro, use a different server	12:10
MohammadAG	try holmes.freenode.net	12:11
MohammadAG	or barjavel(?)	12:11
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BCMM	is there a way to show file extension in the file manager?	12:13
MohammadAG	yes, edit libhildon's source	12:14
MohammadAG	ask mece when he's on, he has a binary on tmo	12:14
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summel	can i delete the home folder "savely" as in "the phone will still work but all my data is gone"?	12:30
Khertan_	BCMM: create your own from scratch :)	12:31
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BCMM	MohammadAG: presumably editing libhildon would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs?	12:43
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MohammadAG	yes	12:43
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MohammadAG	search tmo, it's on there somewhere	12:44
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Khertan_	would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs? <<< except for Qt apps	12:48
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alterego	quiet :(	13:14
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mece	everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on 3meego	13:15
mece	s/3meego/#meego/	13:15
infobot	mece meant: everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on #meego	13:15
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alterego	m'kay	13:16
alterego	Have I missed anything interesting?	13:16
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mece	they got intel notebooks	13:25
alterego	Heh	13:25
mece	no netbooks	13:25
mece	what are they called.	13:25
alterego	sall laptops?	13:25
alterego	netbooks	13:25
alterego	small ..	13:25
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mece	IdeaPad S10-3t	13:25
alterego	Never heard of it.	13:26
phellarv	Lapbooks?	13:26
alterego	If it's smaller than 10" I'd say netbook	13:26
mece	http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-review/	13:26
mece	Intel 1.83GHz Atom N470 processor	13:27
alterego	Just the name lenovo makes me cringe for some reason ...	13:27
alterego	Oh, that's cool. netlet?	13:27
mece	well, it's free so..	13:27
alterego	Free?	13:27
alterego	They gave them out?	13:28
mece	yep	13:28
alterego	ffs	13:28
alterego	Now I'm even more sad :(	13:28
mece	that's exactly what I said!	13:28
mece	I'm at home with tonsillitis.	13:28
phellarv	To all except Nokia and Intel Employees	13:28
GAN900	alterego, sucker.	13:29
alterego	bitch :P	13:30
alterego	GAN900: I just want a t-shirt, but if you can get me a tablet aswell I'll be your bitch ;)	13:30
alterego	Well, I'm already your bitch, but still :D	13:30
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alterego	I bet even if I managed to fly out this evening and get there tomorrow the lenovo give-away was probably only for day one attendees.	13:33
alterego	I hate my life, I missed last years conf, knowing they'd be dishing out loaners	13:34
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GAN900	alterego, I don't even know where you have to go to get them.	13:40
mece	so why the hell doesn't the stream work on my n900???	13:41
mece	oh. the very second I wrote that the stream died.	13:41
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alterego	Heh	13:42
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alterego	GAN900: It'd be nice if they could send some of us non-attendees, but devote followers a package ;)	13:43
alterego	I guess I'm just sour after never getting any freebies :( Just got a discounted N810 the whole time I've been here.	13:44
mece	I've gotten nothing.	13:44
alterego	I suppose we should also understand that meego isn't maemo.	13:44
mece	true	13:44
alterego	So there's no obligation to any of us :D	13:44
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lardman	What's in the package?	13:45
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lardman	have been trying to get twitter to follow the conf, stupid webclient is rubbish	13:45
lardman	or it's me ;)	13:45
mece	lardman, no its rubbish	13:46
lardman	ah phew ;)	13:46
timsamoff	Who's the Maemo dev who wants to takw on creating a Deb to RPM package converer? Nokia and Intel are looking for someone to reward... or, at leat, be a community hero. ;)	13:46
timsamoff	Why isn't lardman here, btw?!	13:46
mece	lardman, how about this: http://tweetchat.com/room/meegoconf	13:46
javispedro	tbh, it is not a hard thing...	13:46
mece	works	13:46
lardman	timsamoff: busy at work	13:47
javispedro	could probably be done with bash, even.	13:47
timsamoff	Blech.	13:47
lardman	mece: cool, thanks	13:47
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timsamoff	FWIW, people are looking for it... Must be good UX for all levels.	13:47
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lardman	timsamoff: so can you confirm finally that GAN900 is a real person...? ;)	13:48
Jaffa	timsamoff: Not sure why they think it's a good idea.	13:48
lardman	hey Jaffa	13:48
GAN900	Hey!	13:49
Jaffa	lardman: hey. You should be her.	13:49
Jaffa	s/her/here/	13:49
infobot	Jaffa meant: lardman: hey. You should be here.	13:49
lardman	I know, I know	13:49
alterego	Probably for some of the maemo apps, obviously.	13:49
* Jaffa 's gone back to hotel room to reflash N900		13:49
Jaffa	alterego: Yeah, but most are Hildon so won't work well or integrate into the app.	13:49
timsamoff	lardman: heard in passing. Number of apps is important these days.	13:49
lardman	?	13:50
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timsamoff	Competition changing the landscape... Apps working across platforms is good, no?	13:50
GAN900	TSG is hitting all of the talking points.	13:51
lardman	hmm, is this streaming anywhere?	13:51
Jaffa	GAN900: Are they? I left cos it seemed like typical TSG meeting	13:51
alterego	Jaffa: Could you get hold of mine and tonys' goodie bags from the conf and drop them off in London next time you're around ;)	13:51
GAN900	Jaffa, exactly.	13:51
alterego	Oo, replies to my bug reports ..	13:51
timsamoff	I can't wait for the minutes from this one. :p	13:52
GAN900	Feels like an interview on local access TV.	13:52
GAN900	No time will be left for Q&A.	13:52
fcrochik	GAN900, at least we don't get ads...	13:53
GAN900	blah blah blah	13:53
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Jaffa	alterego: I've not got mine yet, TBH	13:53
Jaffa	alterego: They can't find it.	13:53
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alterego	:)	13:53
alterego	Heh	13:53
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timsamoff	They need to open this for questions...soon.	13:54
GAN900	6 minutes left	13:54
GAN900	I can't get there from here.	13:54
Jaffa	There've been no questions yet?!	13:54
Jaffa	Apart from Jim Zemlin?	13:54
GAN900	Jaffa, yup.	13:55
phellarv	They are afraid of questions about the N900	13:55
phellarv	;-P	13:55
GAN900	phellarv, who could blame them.	13:55
timsamoff	Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?	13:55
alterego	Heh	13:55
javispedro	you'd have to enter the stage and interrupt to ask anything :)	13:55
timeless_mbp	anything interesting?	13:55
timeless_mbp	and where is everyone?	13:55
javispedro	oh	13:56
lardman	http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming - I'm assuming this is live	13:56
phellarv	lardman: It's live, yes.	13:56
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lardman	cool	13:56
GAN900	Oof	13:56
GAN900	There's the lag.	13:56
* timeless_mbp went to town and bought a laser pointer and managed to get o2 to fix the sim		13:56
lardman	GAN900: but is the lag less than your typing speed? :)	13:57
GAN900	timeless_mbp, by the back entrance to President's at one of the round tables next to javispedro.	13:57
GAN900	lardman, at 60+ seconds, no.	13:57
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lardman	oh well	13:57
timeless_mbp	GAN900: @event site?	13:57
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chem\|st	re	13:59
crashanddie	lardman, the hint was in the URL... :P	13:59
lardman	crashanddie: I don't believe everything I read on the internet... ;)	14:00
crashanddie	lardman, you are a man	14:00
crashanddie	OMG, LARDMAN DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S A MAN	14:01
Jaffa	Kernel flashed. Yay!	14:01
lardman	note the "everything"	14:01
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tugrik	anyone use the "shopper" app?	14:11
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tugrik	i'm having trouble finding the "delete" option	14:12
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lardman	lol @ music on live streaming video	14:12
lardman	or is that playing live for you guys there?	14:12
chem\|st	MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 would you mind to give some of your knowledge to this?	14:12
povbot	Bug 11579: Kernel USB patch - bug not feature stuck at 500MHz while charging	14:12
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javispedro	eating from a plate while standing up	14:15
javispedro	horrible	14:15
timeless_xchat	lunch time?	14:15
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SpeedEvil	tugrik: I vaguely recall you just tap the item	14:19
SpeedEvil	tugrik: I used it only for several minutes though.	14:19
SpeedEvil	On an unrelated matter. Would anyone happen to know a site like youtube that supports pure audio clips/	14:20
realitygaps	SpeedEvil: soundcloud perhaps?	14:20
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SpeedEvil	hmm - possibly, thanks.	14:24
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RST38h	Anyone sees me?	14:35
lardman	yep	14:35
RST38h	Weird	14:35
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RST38h	lardman: Care to give a summary of what is going on at the conference?	14:35
lardman	RST38h: am sat at home slaving away over a hot computer I'm afraid	14:35
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RST38h	lardman: How familiar...	14:36
lardman	yeah :(	14:36
RST38h	Let's ask at #meego then =)	14:36
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GAN900	timeless_xchat, down in the last room at lunch with timsamoff, Jaffa, and fiferboy.	14:40
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alterego	Oh well, back to hacking I guess.	14:43
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* SpeedEvil sighs, and wishes conference was possible.		14:44
SpeedEvil	meh.	14:44
alterego	SpeedEvil: you're not alone ;)	14:44
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lardman	+1	14:45
* SpeedEvil looks round for the burglar.		14:45
alterego	Hahah	14:45
alterego	BOO!	14:45
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* MohammadAG seconds that		14:46
Larholm	urg, "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/."	14:46
Larholm	I'm trying to follow the instructions on https://projects.maemo.org/docs/environment.html#installing-scratchbox	14:46
MohammadAG	though i have my government to blame	14:46
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Termana	MohammadAG, can I blame your government for me not being in attendance as well?	14:48
Termana	Stupid gov'mt	14:48
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MohammadAG	yes	14:48
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* GAN900 is in the community session now in the terrace.		14:52
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GAN900	Dawn's talk is starting.	15:03
DocScrutinizer	haha, local Dublin time is UTC-00:20 ?!	15:03
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DocScrutinizer	more like -00:15	15:03
GAN900	I guess she didn't find the maemo.org trademark page.	15:04
alterego	Heh	15:04
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DocScrutinizer	http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Local Dublin Time: 2010-11-15 12:50	15:06
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GAN900	13:06 according to my clock.	15:07
Termana	DocScrutinizer, it keeps jumping back and forth between different times	15:07
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DocScrutinizer	a clock that's off, and a stream that doesn't stream... :-/	15:13
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer, it's a football stadium. :P	15:15
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DocScrutinizer	he, now only proper audio missing	15:17
DocScrutinizer	give dawn a mic	15:17
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: seems it is not attached to the stream as she got one...	15:17
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer, she's on the PA here.	15:18
chem\|st	only once... only once working with professionals	15:18
DocScrutinizer	meh, useless	15:19
DocScrutinizer	don't get a single word	15:19
chem\|st	GAN900: is the speech recorded?	15:20
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, summarizing in #meego	15:20
GAN900	chem\|st, one would assume so.	15:20
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DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: sure, you can playback the recorded lifestream later	15:22
DocScrutinizer	livestream?	15:22
chem\|st	GAN900: do you mind to ask one of the streaming guys to dub it later and set up a connection for future sessions after the brake?	15:22
DocScrutinizer	with same useless audio	15:22
GAN900	chem\|st, streaming guy is behind a very large and intimidating video camera.	15:22
crashanddie	GAN900, if it's a 4k RED I'm pissing myself	15:23
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GAN900	Sony something	15:24
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chem\|st	GAN900: with speech recording I mean the actual talking output	15:24
chem\|st	GAN900: picture?	15:24
DocScrutinizer	SOUND???!!!	15:28
DocScrutinizer	\o/	15:28
GAN900	chem\|st, N900 isn't telephoto enough and I don't want to stick the 7D in the face of the person behind me.	15:28
chem\|st	GAN900: please twink, and get someone else to take a picture of you sticking your 7d in the face of the person behind you too ;)	15:29
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* SpeedEvil ponders.		15:33
SpeedEvil	Ad-hoc wifi synchronised mics on all n900s, with phased array capabilities.	15:34
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lardman	SpeedEvil: and run pocketsphinx in parallel to transcribe the audio	15:46
DocScrutinizer	yeah!	15:50
DocScrutinizer	maybe pocketsphinx can understand it. Me can't	15:51
lardman	http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2010/03/pocketsphinx-0-6-release/	15:51
lardman	I see a new version, and someone's even integrated it with a browser	15:51
DocScrutinizer	so english subtitles would be highly appreciated	15:51
lardman	yeah vol is quite low	15:51
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DocScrutinizer	actually I got ~3..5 words of Dawn's talk	15:52
lardman	due to vol?	15:52
mece	I found it alright.	15:53
DocScrutinizer	and due to really fast and accent speech	15:53
lardman	ah ok	15:54
lardman	where are you from Doc?	15:54
DocScrutinizer	no native speaker here, and not at all trained to listen to spoken English	15:54
DocScrutinizer	lardman: SOL 3	15:55
lardman	:)	15:55
DocScrutinizer	DAMN - thought my harddisk is going to explode... Nah it was weird audio of the stream	15:56
jaska	haha, i had that once.. a song was playing on the headphones that sounded like a dying drive when the headphones were on the table :D	15:56
DocScrutinizer	yeah, exactly - except it's been the laptop speakers here	15:57
lardman	hmm, updated in the repo too, cool, I was quite impressed to see voice browsing on an HTC Desire HD	15:58
javispedro	/me has arrived late to all talks so far :(	15:59
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jpwhiting	hey all, is there an easy way to get something like qt assistant on n900 with maemo?	16:01
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jpwhiting	apt-get libqt4-assistant wants to install the 4.5 version but can't because my docs and qt are version 4.7	16:12
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lardman	hmm, how does one get Ovi Store working?	16:17
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crashanddie	slap it on the side a couple of times	16:17
ShadowJK	heh	16:17
DocScrutinizer	ouch	16:17
DocScrutinizer	volume at 100%	16:18
ShadowJK	latest maemo?	16:18
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lardman	argh, why does it take so long to display the catalogue list in HAM?	16:26
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RST38h	Because....	16:26
RST38h	Just because.	16:26
alterego	Heh	16:26
lardman	its just given up now	16:26
lardman	craptastic	16:26
alterego	You're lucky yours displays ...	16:26
RST38h	Probably does some really inefficient text file scanning	16:26
alterego	80% of the time mine doesn't even populate	16:27
RST38h	Is HAM source code open BTW?	16:27
lardman	same here	16:27
lardman	yeah	16:27
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lardman	RST38h: yes I believe so	16:27
RST38h	lardman: So, we can stick our dirty hands there and dissect =)	16:27
RST38h	Out of morbid curiosity, at the very least	16:28
lardman	I think so yes, might be worth a look if you have some spare time	16:28
alterego	RST38h: it's open but wont compile because of deps on some closed components.	16:28
lardman	I think the libapt (?) backend is supposed to be slow too	16:28
alterego	I think it's slow because of that apt-worker daemon.	16:28
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lardman	anyone seen debs for nightingale-n900?	16:49
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pupnik	http://i.imgur.com/4yY7O.png xkcd correction...	17:10
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gustavoferreira_	Hi everyone	17:50
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gustavoferreira_	Could some one tell me where can I find FHS specific for maemo? i mean, the must directories like the ones that have the .desktop files and so on..?	17:51
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chem\|st	~packaging	17:56
infobot	Ask me about ipkg	17:56
chem\|st	~ipkg	17:56
infobot	rumour has it, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml	17:56
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chem\|st	gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?	17:57
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* realitygaps gets zaurus flashbacks from ipkg references :)		17:57
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chem\|st	~packaging-guidlines	17:58
chem\|st	~guidlines	17:58
gustavoferreira	sorry guys, could you paste what you wrote? i closed my irc client accidently :S	17:58
chem\|st	gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?	17:58
chem\|st	~fhs	17:59
infobot	i guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package	17:59
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gustavoferreira	chem\|st: I tried and all i got was FHS in general, for debian, ubuntu, etc. But thank you for your info	18:00
* kerio wonders why apple had to rename half of the usual directories		18:00
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gustavoferreira	I'm knew on the IRC stuff, could you please tell me why sometimes people here put "~" in front of a word? i'm sorry if it is a stupid question but i don't really know, thanks in advanced.	18:02
gustavoferreira	new*	18:02
lardman	it prompts infobot to parse the sentance	18:02
lardman	~infobot	18:02
infobot	well, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me?	18:02
chem\|st	gustavoferreira: http://tinyurl.com/37eu9vf	18:02
lardman	~curse infobot	18:02
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot !	18:02
Larholm	:O	18:02
chem\|st	~tell gustavoferreira about fhs	18:03
realitygaps	~meego	18:03
infobot	well, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices	18:03
chem\|st	~drink beer	18:03
infobot	drinks beer in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits beer across the room	18:03
lardman	~vomit	18:04
* infobot vomits on lardman		18:04
lardman	nice	18:04
realitygaps	~thanks infobot	18:04
infobot	realitygaps: no problem	18:04
chem\|st	~kill kittens	18:04
* infobot shoots a excited proton gun at kittens		18:04
* SpeedEvil stabs firefox revisions.		18:04
kerio	~curse firefox revisions	18:04
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox revisions !	18:04
gustavoferreira	i guess i have to read about this infobot, i'm not understanding what it doe, it just display messages you write?	18:05
chem\|st	~striptease	18:05
infobot	Hoogah Hoogah wah wah takes of the box dances around showing of the cpu and memory Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?	18:05
SpeedEvil	Specifically.	18:05
SpeedEvil	~flashing	18:05
infobot	i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	18:05
SpeedEvil	Is the more useful application	18:05
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lardman	gustavoferreira: it doesn't do much useful, though it can remember things like URLs as SpeedEvil showed above	18:06
chem\|st	true	18:06
alterego	My custom widget set port to Qml has gone quite nicely :D	18:06
realitygaps	~osx	18:06
infobot	i guess osx is such a good OS it owns people's afr0's, or massively over-rated	18:06
chem\|st	gustavoferreira: and tel people about it without spamming the channel	18:06
chem\|st	s/tel/tell/	18:06
infobot	chem\|st meant: gustavoferreira: and tell people about it without spamming the channel	18:06
chem\|st	and correct me	18:06
gustavoferreira	sorry	18:07
chem\|st	gustavoferreira: was not to blame you	18:07
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pronto	it would be awesome if there was a way to send and recieve text message via cli	18:09
alterego	pronto: dbus	18:09
alterego	dbus-send to be exact	18:09
alterego	~dbus-send	18:09
chem\|st	pronto: there are scripts already	18:09
pronto	wait really?	18:09
* SpeedEvil sighs at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505037		18:09
povbot	Bug 505037: was not found.	18:09
SpeedEvil	Fixed in january - still not in trunk.	18:10
SpeedEvil	err	18:10
SpeedEvil	releases	18:10
pupnik	i'm creating a NEW PICS DIRECTORY just for pictures people who belong in an RPG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2L7F7CnmHw	18:10
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alterego	Where's intel: http://thehandheldblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/MeeGo-Summit-Oulu.jpg	18:11
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juozapas	why sometimes led blink when sms received but there isnt notify icon in the bottom of stand-by clock ?	18:21
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lardman	hmm hurd, that reminds me, did someone get that built for the chap on TMO?	18:55
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Khertan_	bouh ... can't promise	19:00
Khertan_	shaem	19:00
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BCMM	is there a way to set file associations (for file manager, email, browser, etc.)?	19:27
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BCMM	it says there is no viewer for MS .doc files, and i'd like it to open them in freoffice, and it would also be nice for PDFs to open in evince	19:28
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pupnik	hey DocScrutinizer can i add-on (double) the number of cells in an external laptop battery pack?	19:29
pupnik	i was thinking of hooking 2 cells in parallel up for each one in the original pack	19:30
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SpeedEvil	pupnik: sometimes.	19:32
SpeedEvil	pupnik: but this will often confuse the battery pack, and may make it not charge	19:32
pupnik	mhm it depends on their logic i guess	19:33
pupnik	sort of surprised i haven't seen extended size external packs for thinkpads (mugen?)	19:33
SpeedEvil	you can for many models get extended batteries.	19:34
SpeedEvil	For the x60s - IIRC - it will go up to around double the capacity with a secondary battery	19:34
SpeedEvil	which fits on the base	19:34
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javispedro	uoooh	19:39
javispedro	gconf vs dconf vs qsettings vs plain files	19:39
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Robot101	plain fails	19:42
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johnsq	Hi	19:42
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DocScrutinizer51	plain fails vs plain files	20:01
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DocScrutinizer51	we had this topic a few weeks ago, and iirc there wasn't a single sound argument why we need a centralized service (as evil and nonsensical as windows registry) to manage config data	20:04
DocScrutinizer51	highlight: None app can't read in 10.000 config files"	20:05
DocScrutinizer51	s/ N/ "/	20:05
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: highlight: "one app can't read in 10.000 config files"	20:05
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DocScrutinizer51	if a friggin app has to read 10.000 files to gather config, then that app needs no gconf but a painful death	20:07
DocScrutinizer51	highlight2: "there can not 10.000 apps read one config file" Answer: why not?	20:08
lardman	though standardising the way conf data are read and written is useful for app writers	20:09
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lardman	but needn't mean a monolithic store	20:09
* mgedmin sighs		20:09
mgedmin	realtime config change notifications is a sound argument in my mind	20:09
RST38h	you are overcomplicating things	20:10
mgedmin	the 10,000 xml files on disk braindamage ought to be fixed	20:10
DocScrutinizer51	lardman: ack	20:10
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kerio	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0AkFUYpLQ why didn't he use a n900 too :(	20:11
DocScrutinizer51	mgedmin: yeah, while you're at it: fix the 100.000 mp3 files braindamage. Seems tracker doesn't full job	20:12
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DocScrutinizer51	</sarcasm> if somebody needs that tag	20:13
pupnik	DocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with ~/. directories	20:14
johnsu01	should mbarcode be able to scan book barcodes?	20:14
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DocScrutinizer51	pupnik: NOTHING	20:14
pupnik	i can't think of anything real	20:14
pupnik	as an objection	20:15
DocScrutinizer51	I'm all for this age old tested concept	20:15
pupnik	it's per-user. it's got basic file security	20:15
BCMM	+1 for "what is gconf actually for?"	20:15
lardman	johnsu01: yes	20:15
lardman	kerio: despite their being competitors, that brings tears to my eyes	20:15
RST38h	Gentlemen, you obviously need WIndows registry	20:15
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BCMM	like the registry, it doesn't really help unify anything much	20:15
lardman	johnsu01: what's the problem?	20:15
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BCMM	in that it has a bunch of keys with obscure meanings that could just as well be config file lines with obscure meanings	20:16
kerio	lardman: it's brilliant advertising	20:16
pupnik	bingo BCMM	20:16
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RST38h	Please, vot for the new XCHat btw: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo18/	20:16
pupnik	home directory already is a registry as well as being other things	20:16
lardman	kerio: for the portable bbq?	20:16
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juozapas	irssi ftw	20:17
RST38h	pupnik: Some people do not get it	20:17
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RST38h	pupnik: Besides, it does make sense to cache config data in case someone is reading it often	20:17
pupnik	weaned on the teat of microsoft, i say. not good unix milk like we had in our day	20:17
johnsu01	lardman: it's not picking them up apparently, I have used it successfully for qr codes before but it's not recognizing the code on any of my books	20:18
lardman	the 1D decoder is more prone to errors caused by poor lighting and contrast	20:19
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johnsu01	it could be poor lighting, but it's kind of hard to get light with the phone hovering over the code :)	20:19
lardman	you should be able to hold it a fair distance away really	20:20
lardman	depends how large the barcode is of course	20:20
lardman	can you show us an image? mBarcode can capture an image	20:21
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NooBmonk3y	alterego, ping	20:23
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, :)	20:27
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johnsu01	lardman: ah, got one to work with more light and fiddling	20:28
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lardman	johnsu01: sorry about that, we need to work on the 1D decoder to make it perform better	20:30
johnsu01	lardman: no worries, happy to have it at all :) what do the color flashes that happen sometimes mean? occasionally there is a purple or green bar that flashes across the scanning window	20:30
lardman	one option is to use the light sensor and turn on the LEDs if there's not enough, we'll have to take a look at that in the fullness of time	20:30
lardman	that's the wonders of the gst pipeline	20:30
lardman	it gets paused as it autofocuses then restarts and doesn't know what's left over	20:31
DocScrutinizer	mgedmin: (realtime notification) usecase please! Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config. For those few global things there are other, better means than a centralized data store process bottleneck. Inotify comes to mind, as well as dbus and a few other well defined mechanisms in X and...	20:31
lardman	actually you might be better changing the settings to not autofocus, and to use the shutter button to do the decoding	20:31
mgedmin	DocScrutinizer: I like being able to set my "fullscreen window" key in gnome-keybinding-properties and have metacity/compiz pick it right up	20:32
johnsu01	lardman: oh, there are settings?	20:32
lardman	yep, hit the menu button, somewhere on the RHS	20:32
lardman	s/button/icon	20:32
DocScrutinizer	mgedmin: uhuh. Yeah, I as well like to set your config data and your apps pick it up immediately	20:33
lardman	the spanner icon in fact	20:33
johnsu01	hm I don't seem to have that	20:34
DocScrutinizer	if that's been too fuzzy: which part of >>Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config.<< you disagree ?	20:34
lardman	are you running on an N900?	20:34
johnsu01	lardman: yes	20:34
lardman	try upgrading from extras-devel	20:35
juozapas	how to use alt button on n900?	20:35
johnsu01	lardman: I will try that in a bit, thanks	20:35
lardman	np, give me a shout if you have any troubles	20:35
NooBmonk3y	hi alls, got an odd problem (QT on ubuntu), i add a stacked widget to my ui, and then as before i went to call ui->stackedWidget(...) but it is not recognising StackedWidget as being there? any ideas?	20:37
lardman	case of name?	20:38
NooBmonk3y	well normally if you type ui-> or ui. a drop down list appears, it is not on there either	20:38
NooBmonk3y	(and case is right :) )	20:38
NooBmonk3y	it's as though it just doesnt exist :\|	20:39
lardman	did you save the ui file?	20:39
NooBmonk3y	yup	20:39
NooBmonk3y	got 2 projects side by side to, and comparing, one works, one doesnt :\| tis really odd	20:39
lardman	indeed, strange	20:39
NooBmonk3y	:\|	20:40
lardman	I'm afraid I can't help you there, I hate those ui constructs	20:41
NooBmonk3y	hehe, thanks though :)	20:41
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lardman	hmm, I can return boolean values, but not Python strings	20:49
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pupnik	the ones that process and search big trees as you type? hate em too, except for a couple of cases	20:54
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lardman	yay! mBarcode python scripting appears to work! :)	21:02
RST38h	madman! madman! =)	21:02
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lardman	:)	21:03
johnsu01	lardman: updated version works much better, recognized the code much quicker	21:03
lardman	cool, glad to hear it	21:03
lardman	we'll push it to -testing and extras proper soon, sorry about your needing to enable -devel	21:04
johnsu01	I didn't realize it handled these barcodes till now, this will be fun	21:04
* RST38h has devel enabled for months now		21:04
lardman	same here, but some people don't like it	21:04
johnsu01	lardman: np, only reason it wasn't already enabled was because this is a new replacement device :)	21:04
lardman	ah ok :)	21:04
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johnsu01	so thankful to have a replacement, other defects that I had attributed to software were also fixed -- pretty sure my original one had a defective FM transmitter and battery	21:09
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NooBmonk3y	ok something weird is going on!	21:13
NooBmonk3y	now when i add new things to the gui, and build / test on the device the new stuff isnt appearing	21:14
NooBmonk3y	wtf is going on!	21:14
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DocScrutinizer	juozapas: esc;<char> usually works like alt+<char>	21:19
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DocScrutinizer	juozapas: do not _hold_ esc 'ley'	21:20
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DocScrutinizer	key*	21:20
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juozapas	k thx DocScrutinizer	21:27
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slonopotamus	and one more time :)	21:39
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slonopotamus	anyone knows what the hell is contained in diablo orig.tar.gz?	21:39
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* NooBmonk3y is really confused.....		22:00
NooBmonk3y	lardman, remember the issue i had earlier?	22:00
NooBmonk3y	its steadily got worse, and i couldnt figure out why, i've now pinned it down to changing my windowTitle on my mainwindow, change it back and it is all fine :\|	22:01
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NooBmonk3y	aghhhh still not working	22:05
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DocScrutinizer	slonopotamus: wild guess: data for "reset to factory defaults" ?	22:11
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DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: VCS - sometimes a helpful tool	22:13
NooBmonk3y	?	22:13
DocScrutinizer	or simply backups	22:13
NooBmonk3y	doc, why would when i press buil/rebuild etc, it seem that the UI only is not being built?	22:13
DocScrutinizer	lots of them	22:14
NooBmonk3y	i am using a backup and the same issue :\|	22:14
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DocScrutinizer	you did a make clean?	22:14
NooBmonk3y	yeah	22:14
DocScrutinizer	you did no update?	22:15
NooBmonk3y	nope	22:15
NooBmonk3y	When i build/rebuid i get this	22:15
NooBmonk3y	The process "/usr/bin/make" exited normally.	22:15
NooBmonk3y	Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.	22:15
DocScrutinizer	you got a mistery machine	22:15
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmm	22:15
NooBmonk3y	it aint unchanged!!!!	22:15
NooBmonk3y	lol	22:15
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DocScrutinizer	ouch,	22:16
NooBmonk3y	I just added a button, and it is still saying no change :\|	22:16
DocScrutinizer	heh maybe I can help you	22:16
DocScrutinizer	remove the executables	22:16
DocScrutinizer	I know this effect from twinkle and qmake	22:16
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DocScrutinizer	qmake sometimes is a bitch	22:16
NooBmonk3y	remove the project's executables?	22:17
DocScrutinizer	i.e. it doesn't build new, if there's an executable. even when the source changed	22:17
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DocScrutinizer	the ones you built previously - yes	22:17
NooBmonk3y	hmmm done that	22:18
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NooBmonk3y	just tried changing the build directory, but not liking that, i wonder if my external HDD is dead :\|	22:18
NooBmonk3y	or dying	22:18
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DocScrutinizer	unlikely	22:18
DocScrutinizer	you got warnings or IO error msgs in syslog?	22:19
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NooBmonk3y	syslog?	22:20
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NooBmonk3y	sorry still new to ubuntu	22:20
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DocScrutinizer	try	22:22
DocScrutinizer	smartctl -H /dev/sdb	22:23
DocScrutinizer	s/sdb/whatever_your_drive	22:23
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DocScrutinizer	syslog may be /var/log/messages or ...syslog or generally /var/log/*	22:24
DocScrutinizer	you'll be able to tell by name of file	22:24
DocScrutinizer	but	22:24
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luke-jr	my syslogs are all using /var/log/everything/current	22:24
DocScrutinizer	as mentioned above, it's unlikely it's a defect of your drive	22:25
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: would you believe me, when I tell you I'm not surprised at all :-P	22:25
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NooBmonk3y	meh drive is fine	22:28
NooBmonk3y	just baffled	22:28
DocScrutinizer	sure	22:28
NooBmonk3y	created a brand new folder	22:28
NooBmonk3y	copied in the project backup from last night	22:28
NooBmonk3y	opened, cleaned, rebuilt ... same problem, new button not appearing	22:28
DocScrutinizer	tztztz	22:29
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DocScrutinizer	you still see ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""?	22:32
NooBmonk3y	yup	22:32
slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer, ... i'm talking about kernel	22:33
DocScrutinizer	check your system date	22:33
NooBmonk3y	mon 15 nov 8:33pm - correct	22:33
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DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: delete all generated files!	22:34
NooBmonk3y	hmmmm tried that may have found the issue	22:34
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NooBmonk3y	just tried the simulator	22:34
slonopotamus	and then, generate all deleted files!	22:34
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NooBmonk3y	never used it b4	22:34
NooBmonk3y	Failed to start program. Path or permissions wrong?	22:34
NooBmonk3y	permissions randomly changed somehow to my external hdd?	22:34
DocScrutinizer	I.E. make clean, then check what's left over that's not a project file but generated by qmake etc, and delete that as well	22:34
NooBmonk3y	done that by creating a new folder with the pro etc, and starting again, didnt work	22:35
DocScrutinizer	meh, you didn't	22:35
NooBmonk3y	oh	22:35
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NooBmonk3y	ok	22:36
NooBmonk3y	so delete the hole build folder?	22:36
NooBmonk3y	whole*	22:36
NooBmonk3y	well contents off	22:36
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DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: I can't tell which of your files are generated (like .o etc) and which are project files (like .c, and the ones created by designer, and whatnot)	22:37
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DocScrutinizer	you have to learn that yourself	22:38
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DocScrutinizer	generally make clean should remove all of the generated files, minus the executables	22:38
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NooBmonk3y	ok well, just opened healthcheck, not touched that in 2 days, added a button, same problem	22:39
DocScrutinizer	for qmake this seems to fail sometimes	22:39
NooBmonk3y	therefore problem must lay within QT....... , fresh re-install?	22:39
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DocScrutinizer	sigh	22:39
DocScrutinizer	restart project from scratch	22:40
DocScrutinizer	:-P	22:40
NooBmonk3y	:\|	22:40
slonopotamus	clear cookies, checks for viruses, install latest servicepack, etc :P	22:41
DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: you're not listening anyway. So I can even tell you "buy a new computer" it doesn't matter	22:41
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Malin_	Is it also possible to speed up the built-in browser? I don't think about browsing speed, but it's a bit unresponsible. And is there a way to have a java-plugin to it?	22:41
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NooBmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, its not that i'm not listening, i am trying, but not understanding everything you are saying	22:43
NooBmonk3y	and i'm trying to be logical	22:44
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Gorroth	hi	22:49
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Gorroth	any of you use mobile maps? wondering how its voice nav is, especially here in the states	22:50
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NooBmonk3y	phew.... re-install of qt and all working again :)	22:55
NooBmonk3y	thank you though DocScrutinizer even if i annoyed ya....	22:56
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NooBmonk3y	and lol slonopotamus	22:56
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chupy35	hi, what can i do if the 2gb of my /opt is full, i still have some space on rootfs	23:08
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bennypr0fane	hello, can you help me with this: If a community app doesn't come with some sort of an instruction manual, where is it best to look for one? I mean, if I can't figure out what exactly the app can or cannot do, is there a default place to look it up? Or are there simply a lot of apps that come without any instructions/documentation about there functionality? I can't seem to find a system....	23:08
wmarone	apps generally have to be documented by the developer, if there isn't any then chances are...	23:09
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jacekowski	heheheheh	23:10
jacekowski	google is claiming that they don't own android	23:11
DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: odd. as libraries and tools don't wear and rot, you obviously have changed some obscure bit of your configuration of qt. NFC which part of it, or how you did it. Even less of a clue why it threw error ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""	23:11
jacekowski	and it's not their fault that it infriges patents	23:11
NooBmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, i dont have a clue either :( but tis now working :\|	23:11
DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: anyway nice to hear it works now	23:11
chupy35	any idea?	23:11
NooBmonk3y	thanks - lets hope it stays that way :\|	23:11
bennypr0fane	but if there is documentation, which would be the first place to look for it? I never seem to the info about apps in the same place, it's just scattered all over the "place"	23:12
bennypr0fane	*seem to find	23:12
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DocScrutinizer	chupy35: clean /opt	23:13
chupy35	just uninstalling apps?	23:13
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DocScrutinizer	chupy35: there have to be greedy, poorly coded pkgs that eat all that space. I mean 2GIGA byte, c'mon	23:14
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DocScrutinizer	start with games	23:14
chupy35	i know, and i dont have so much apps, that sucks	23:14
DocScrutinizer	or - even better - du /opt\|sort -n	23:14
ShadowJK	bennypr0fane, yeah I think it sucks too. Often the only place you can find any info is in some thread on talk.maemo.org :/	23:14
ShadowJK	did games stop putting data in MyDocs or something? :-(	23:15
DocScrutinizer	did games ever start to do that?	23:15
DocScrutinizer	~optification	23:15
infobot	methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3	23:15
DocScrutinizer	and_MyDocs,	23:16
RST38h	And good evening, ShadowJK	23:16
ShadowJK	well they put it in /media/mmc?/ on Maemo4 :)	23:16
bennypr0fane	ShadowJK: well and sometimes not even there, and then you have to ask, and hope it's not a suuuuuper-stupid question someone else asked before and maybe you're posting in the wrong thread and maybe noone's even gonna read your question...	23:16
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chupy35	angrybirds has alot of data is that maybe cus i flash and reinstall ?	23:18
bennypr0fane	I specifically want to know about grouping the contacts on N900 - I want to be able to sent group sms. Does anyone know about a decent app that can do that?	23:18
chupy35	can i delete some of /opt/local ?	23:19
chupy35	also python	23:19
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chupy35	on /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/levels i have 8 packs, is that normal? i just install pack 1, 2 and 3	23:22
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ShadowJK	python is used by many things :/	23:23
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BCMM	and some people.	23:25
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chupy35	what can i do, just angrybirds seems to consume alot of space	23:26
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tugrik	i wouldn't remove python, as ShadowJK points out, it's used by many things	23:27
chupy35	so? my opt is full, is kind of strange	23:28
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DocScrutinizer	did you the suggested >>du /opt\|sort -n	23:29
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DocScrutinizer	to identify the hugest hogs	23:30
pupnik	awesome "Tof-Cameras"	23:30
chupy35	yes	23:30
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chupy35	one of the hugest was angrybirds	23:30
DocScrutinizer	pastebin the last 50 lines	23:30
DocScrutinizer	uninstall it	23:30
chupy35	ok	23:31
DocScrutinizer	oh , mompls	23:31
DocScrutinizer	>>du -x /opt\|sort -n	23:31
DocScrutinizer	is the correct line	23:31
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DocScrutinizer	-x for "don't leave that filesystem during scan"	23:33
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DocScrutinizer	so you don't see possible symlinks as using up space in opt	23:34
NooBmonk3y	lol preenv has sucked my opt dry ;)	23:34
DocScrutinizer	you bet it does :-P	23:34
chupy35	maube	23:34
NooBmonk3y	114.5M free lol	23:35
DocScrutinizer	not preenv but the games though	23:35
NooBmonk3y	true :P	23:35
chupy35	yes i think is preenv	23:35
chupy35	also	23:35
DocScrutinizer	tolda start with games	23:36
chupy35	look http://pastie.org/1300809	23:36
DocScrutinizer	it's always the games (except when a map app goes apeshit)	23:36
chupy35	but i only have on opt like 520 kbs, preenv maybe?	23:37
lardman	Khertan_: ping	23:38
DocScrutinizer	>>du -x /home\|sort -n	23:38
DocScrutinizer	opt is a subdir of home	23:38
lardman	anyone had any undefined symbol errors using PyQt4 under PR1.3?	23:39
pupnik	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TOF_Kamera_3D_Gesicht.jpg time-of-flight cameras measure time that light travels to subject	23:39
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pupnik	100 fps. fast enough to help dodge attacks	23:41
lardman	hmm, phase shift measurement	23:41
chupy35	DosScrutinizer http://pastie.org/1300819	23:42
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chupy35	/home/user space affect /opt space?	23:44
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korhojoa	no, it should not	23:44
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chupy35	its normal that angrybirds is about 34068 with the 3 levelpacks?	23:45
korhojoa	i have no idea, but that doesn't seem all too large	23:45
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ds3	is there a nonOVI way of getting angrybirds?	23:46
lardman	where did you download Angry Birds from?	23:46
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, ping	23:47
RST38h	"Your generous blood donations through Memorial Blood Centers will help save lives and fight hunger this holiday season."	23:47
lardman	lol	23:47
chupy35	lardman warez :P	23:48
lardman	oh, fair enough	23:49
lardman	why's Ovi not working now?	23:49
NooBmonk3y	now?	23:49
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DocScrutinizer	korhojoa: sure it does. which part of <DocScrutinizer> opt is a subdir of home was too unclear	23:49
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chupy35	but why /home has more than 2gb and opt just 2gb DosScruitinizer	23:50
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# df -h /home	23:51
DocScrutinizer	Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on	23:51
DocScrutinizer	/dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 487.0M 1.4G 25% /home	23:51
korhojoa	hm?	23:51
lardman	NooBmonk3y: I thought it worked for a while?	23:51
korhojoa	why should /home/user space affect /opt ?	23:51
NooBmonk3y	;) - lol sorry, was easy picking :p	23:51
NooBmonk3y	has worked for a while now :)	23:51
DocScrutinizer	mount	23:51
DocScrutinizer	/home/opt on /opt type none (bind)	23:52
lardman	not for me	23:52
korhojoa	ahh	23:52
lardman	says device not recognised or similar	23:52
korhojoa	i thought he meant mydocs	23:52
korhojoa	sorry	23:52
korhojoa	my bad	23:52
chupy35	its true :O, so if i delete some preenv games my /opt will have more space?	23:52
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:53
DocScrutinizer	of preemt games live somewhere in /home	23:53
DocScrutinizer	if*	23:53
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# df -h /opt	23:54
DocScrutinizer	Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on	23:54
DocScrutinizer	/dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 487.0M 1.4G 25% /home	23:54
chupy35	it worked	23:55
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DocScrutinizer	of course	23:57
chupy35	thanks DocScrutinizer	23:58
DocScrutinizer	yw	23:58
chupy35	now i have 430 mb	23:58
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