| crashanddie | and as I said, I thoroughly enjoy using them | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | but it remains something that just doesn't scale -- AT ALL. | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sure, those list objects are rarely built in a cache efficient manner | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and objects are generally for the boys and mad scientists, while real hackers use c or assembler, or FORTRAN | 00:02 |
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| kerio | crashanddie: is C/C++ so much more efficient with heterogeneous containers of variable, unlimited size? | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | I have been saying this since I've first played with an N800: Maemo's biggest problem is that it suffers from the choice dilemma. When you first join, and ask what language, every fanboi starts screaming "Use $language". The truth remains that python is an excellent toy/prototyping platform, and even more so with Qt. However, for anything that requires low latency, and honest response times, you need a language that doesn't spe | 00:03 |
| * Aranel is sad, spent an hour to learn a way to package a binary and a .desktop file easily but still getting FAILED e-mails :| | 00:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | s/spe/suck/ | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100% ack for the rest | 00:05 |
| tybollt | for random user space wankery python is fine - but you can't write an operatinsystem in python... | 00:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 00:06 | |
| tybollt | anyway | 00:07 |
| tybollt | we will see when they release bind 10, written in python | 00:07 |
| tybollt | how many distributions will still be using it | 00:07 |
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| kerio | tybollt: what's the last time you wrote an OS | 00:09 |
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| jacekowski | i really love your arguments here | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | i can write faster code in python than average c++ programmer will write in c++ | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | not that i like python at all | 00:11 |
| andax | aaahhhh who of you is stephen elop? | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | besides, it's hacking time | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | i need to fix fmtxd again | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | nokia managed to break it again | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | and make it incompatible with 1.2 fmtxd | 00:12 |
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| alterego | My brain is going gooing from fourier transform math :S | 00:18 |
| sivang | alterego: oo | 00:19 |
| tripzero | lol | 00:19 |
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| sivang | hey jacekowski | 00:19 |
| sivang | jacekowski: what's fmtxd? | 00:19 |
| tripzero | "this is your brain. this is your brain doing fourier transforms" | 00:19 |
| * sivang read he interesting discussion about YTHON | 00:19 | |
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| sivang | PYTHON | 00:20 |
| sivang | err | 00:20 |
| sivang | Python | 00:20 |
| sivang | sorry for the caps | 00:20 |
| johnsq | its a big snake | 00:20 |
| alterego | I didn't realise signal processing was so complex :P | 00:20 |
| sivang | and yes, c++ code is mostly faster and consumes less system resources so for embedded development that is not customized strong boards you'd want c/c++ | 00:20 |
| sivang | alterego: you are doing signal processing course? | 00:21 |
| sivang | alterego: people who have passed this one successfuly at my university are known to not speak the languageof humanoids | 00:21 |
| alterego | No, just learning about it. | 00:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:21 |
| tripzero | ~pr1.3 | 00:21 |
| infobot | well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 00:21 |
| sivang | alterego: ah, for a secret project? | 00:21 |
| alterego | Figures | 00:21 |
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| alterego | Indeed :) | 00:22 |
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| sivang | alterego: tell tell :) | 00:22 |
| sivang | if it involves DSPs it oughtta be interesting | 00:22 |
| alterego | I'm kindding, no secret project :PP | 00:22 |
| alterego | I'm just interested in it at the moment. | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | alterego: FFT is cool | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | alterego: been eating those at work for a few months now | 00:23 |
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| jacekowski | sivang: it's software controlling fm transmitter in n900 | 00:23 |
| alterego | crashanddie: cool, got any pointers? | 00:23 |
| sivang | jacekowski: ah, didn't know it was open source | 00:24 |
| alterego | I'm pretty lost at the moment, I've got a bout 10 tabs open in firefox and a couple of pdfs I'm crunching through ^.^ | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | alterego: yeah, take your time and double, triple, quadruple check everything | 00:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:24 |
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| crashanddie | it's definitely one of the must bug-prone and "lolwut?"-creating areas of software I've had to work in yet | 00:24 |
| sivang | jacekowski: 1.3 borked it in what way? | 00:25 |
| alterego | crashanddie: what kind of applications do you work with? | 00:25 |
| alterego | Well, what are you using this stuff for? :) | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | alterego: call centre management server -- SIP calls, DTMF handling, etc. | 00:25 |
| alterego | Oh, neat. | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | sivang: it's not open source | 00:26 |
| alterego | Like DTMF "parsing"? | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | alterego: yeah, for example | 00:26 |
| alterego | :) | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | alterego: but also generation, and we use a heckuvalot of FTT for the test suites | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | sivang: but i modified it to allow full frequency range and full power all the time | 00:26 |
| alterego | That's actually kind of what I'm playing with at the moment ^.^ | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | sivang: without checking for headphones/usb | 00:27 |
| alterego | FFT + DTMF is a nice mix ^.^ | 00:27 |
| tuliobaars | hey | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | because these services need to be online 24/7, we need to have test suites that can call the server and make sure it's answering properly, that the menus (press 1 for ...) are functioning correctly, and that the sound quality is reasonable | 00:27 |
| tuliobaars | sorry to intromiss | 00:27 |
| alterego | Indeed, that's quite neat. | 00:27 |
| tuliobaars | but, why isn't my tablet booting? | 00:27 |
| alterego | tuliobaars: battery flat? | 00:28 |
| tuliobaars | its freezed in logo screen | 00:28 |
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| tuliobaars | no, i chaged with the e71 one | 00:28 |
| tuliobaars | just now | 00:28 |
| tuliobaars | the bp-4l | 00:28 |
| sivang | jacekowski: how di you modify it without the source? | 00:28 |
| tuliobaars | and i cant reflash | 00:29 |
| tuliobaars | because the flasher says | 00:29 |
| tuliobaars | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus 002, device address 003. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted | 00:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh too much wine | 00:29 |
| tuliobaars | as root | 00:29 |
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| sivang | Noobmonk3y: had this last night, still suffering the consequence of it. Was my birthday... | 00:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | awww happy birthday!!! for yesterday | 00:30 |
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| Noobmonk3y | and happy un-birthday for today! | 00:30 |
| sivang | heh thank you | 00:30 |
| sivang | Noobmonk3y: It wasn't that nice, birthdays can be depressing, hence the cava wine involved. | 00:30 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol!!!!!!!! | 00:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | just had my 30th :| | 00:30 |
| sivang | Noobmonk3y: 32nd here | 00:31 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe | 00:31 |
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| Noobmonk3y | night alls! | 00:33 |
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| sivang | wow thank you ChanServ ! | 00:37 |
| sivang | :-p | 00:37 |
| * sivang feels special | 00:37 | |
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| alterego | :D | 00:41 |
| alterego | It's your birrthday? Happy birthday :) | 00:41 |
| * sivang thanks who ever changed the topic | 00:42 | |
| sivang | alterego: yes, thank you :) | 00:42 |
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| nox- | oh... happy bday sivang :) | 00:45 |
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| sivang | thnk you nox- :) | 00:46 |
| * nox- still only knows little about who does what here or wrt maemo... | 00:47 | |
| sivang | jacekowski: are you actually working on the fm transmitter for nokia? :) | 00:47 |
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| sivang | it just hit me, that if you have accessto the source.. | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | sivang: for myself | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | sivang: i have access to fmtxd binary | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | sivang: which is more than enough for me | 00:48 |
| sivang | jacekowski: ah , interesting. | 00:48 |
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| sivang | reverse engineering ftw! | 00:48 |
| sivang | :) | 00:48 |
| tripzero | s/e/[clean room] | 00:49 |
| tripzero | s/e/[clean room]/ | 00:49 |
| infobot | tripzero meant: s/[clean room]/[clean room] | 00:49 |
| tripzero | doh | 00:49 |
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| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 has beem released. See ~pr1.3" | 01:21 | |
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| Gorroth | yo all | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aha. My connection should be more stable now I'm using an apple product. | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (It's a jar of apple sauce used to prop up my n900) | 01:44 |
| Mousey | lol | 01:44 |
| nox- | haha | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FFS, WONTFIX becoming the ugliest word of the decade :-/ https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331694 | 01:47 |
| povbot | Bug 331694: was not found. | 01:47 |
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| tripzero | lol | 01:51 |
| tripzero | "if you care, reopen it" | 01:51 |
| tripzero | "cuz i certainly don't" | 01:51 |
| b-man` | WONTFIX = lazy dev imo | 01:51 |
| tripzero | WONTFIIX has its place | 01:52 |
| b-man` | yeah | 01:52 |
| tripzero | like when there's a corner-case bug that really has no impact but the fix would break a bunch of other things... | 01:52 |
| tripzero | s/but/and/ | 01:52 |
| infobot | tripzero meant: like when there's a corner-case bug that really has no impact and the fix would break a bunch of other things... | 01:52 |
| b-man` | indeed | 01:53 |
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| mgedmin | bug: solve world hunger by next tuesday | 01:54 |
| mgedmin | resolution: WONTFIX | 01:54 |
| maybeWTF | WORKSFORME | 01:54 |
| tripzero | Resolution: NeedInfo | 01:54 |
| b-man` | mgedmin, yeah - i get it :P | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | was about to write same | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tripzero: ^^^ | 01:55 |
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| b-man` | pick what i said apart why dont'cha | 01:57 |
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| mgedmin | don't'cha | 01:57 |
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| tripzero | don't 'cha wish your girlfriend could code like me? | 01:58 |
| merlincorey | wat | 01:58 |
| Mousey | that was funny | 01:58 |
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| rtghuzg5 | Hi, how can i secure my N900? Now i can start it without a login | 02:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - there is a PIN code | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | which can setup a 5 digit PIN | 02:01 |
| rtghuzg5 | PIN code is only for the SIM Card | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Somewhere in settings I think | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - I thought you could require it on startup. | 02:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware there isn't a standard way. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if you can pervert one of the bootloaders to do it. | 02:02 |
| rtghuzg5 | But you can cancle it and then you have accesss to the phone | 02:02 |
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| rtghuzg5 | that is not realy nice | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:02 |
| dolp | power button -> secure device? :D | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | just screenlocks | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - I think it requires PIN to unlocka | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's lock code, not SIM PIN | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - sorry - O'm confused as I've ever used it. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd really ideally like it so without a passphrase, the device is a literal brick. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It cannot be reflashed. | 02:05 |
| rtghuzg5 | How can i set this question automaticaly on startup? | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally it would be on fire too. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | for what rtghuzg5 asked for the lockcode is it | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtghuzg5: settings, device lock or somesuch | 02:06 |
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| rtghuzg5 | when i lock the device power button -> secure device | 02:06 |
| rtghuzg5 | and shutdown and then start again my phone need a password | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtghuzg5: settings, device lock or somesuch | 02:07 |
| ham5 | pr 1.3 changed something to where u cant change the auto lock time too, anyone know anything about that? like it to be like 3 hours instead of just 1 | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ham5: check /etc/mce/mce.ini | 02:07 |
| ham5 | dont think its in mce.ini... | 02:08 |
| ham5 | was in the gconf.xml in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/locks | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe | 02:08 |
| ham5 | you change it tho it just reverts back to what you have it set for in the settings> device lock | 02:09 |
| rtghuzg5 | ham5, is it in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/locks ? | 02:12 |
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| ham5 | rtghuzg5 you just need to go into settings and then device lock at the bottom | 02:13 |
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| ham5 | like docscrutinizer said | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | twice | 02:14 |
| ham5 | 3rd times a charm? ;) | 02:14 |
| rtghuzg5 | I can only set autolock and change my password, but i can't set autolock on startup | 02:15 |
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| ham5 | change auto lock to anything and it will work when you start up | 02:15 |
| jacktheripper_ | removing noexec for MyDocs in fstab still doesn't allow me to execute files, what's wrong ? | 02:15 |
| jacktheripper_ | I remounted, I 'chmod a+x'ed. | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | jacktheripper: vfat does not support the execute bit | 02:16 |
| jacktheripper_ | SpeedEvil, how's that possible on other linux distros then ? | 02:17 |
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| jacktheripper | I thought there was an option to enable the not-present executable bit for all files. | 02:18 |
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| ebzzry | Aside from Ovi, where else can I get the main Angry Birds .deb? | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I think only ovi. | 02:21 |
| ham5 | can you get it stright from rovio? | 02:21 |
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| jacktheripper | what's wrong with ovi ? | 02:21 |
| nox- | jacktheripper, you may be able to set the mode in the mount options, but it will be applied to all files on that fs and i have no idea what maemo will make of that | 02:21 |
| jacktheripper | nox-, I did, I changed 'noexec' to 'exec'. But still, nothing changed. | 02:22 |
| ebzzry | jacktheripper: I couldn't get it from them. It says it's "downloaded", and when I tap the download link, it does nothing. | 02:22 |
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| nox- | jacktheripper, no thats something different, i meant the mask | 02:22 |
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| b-man` | sorry i kinda rage quited on you guys, had some close relatives get into a bad car accident and i'm not in a very good mode, plus it's late and i tend to be kinda spontaneous when i'm tired :P | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | b-man`: :( | 02:23 |
| nox- | :( | 02:23 |
| jacktheripper | ebzzry: install aptitude, and 'aptitude install angrybirds' if you have the ovi repo. I have no idea if this works for paid apps though. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacktheripper: fstab is autogenerated on boot. editing won't help | 02:24 |
| jacktheripper | :/ | 02:24 |
| nox- | heh ok | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | jacktheripper: It used to | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | jacktheripper: fmask=777 | 02:24 |
| jacktheripper | what does 133 do ? | 02:25 |
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| ebzzry | jacktheripper: OK | 02:25 |
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| jacktheripper | DocScrutinizer51, can I disable the autogeneration somehow ? or even tweak it ? | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fstab isn't used for mounting on startup. So editing fstab is useless anyway | 02:28 |
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| jacktheripper | DocScrutinizer51, uh is it hardcoded ? :S | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | check init-scripts/-events where to tweak the mount parameters. Beware! any typo will cause bootloop -- reflash follows | 02:29 |
| jacktheripper | thanks. | 02:30 |
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| Gorroth | hi | 03:21 |
| Gorroth | okay, i'm trying to figure out what i need to do to create a maemo package. is this all we have in ways of tutorials? http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_application_development_content/plain_html/node9/ | 03:22 |
| ebzzry | I can't run X Terminal. When I try to run, it quits. Why? | 03:25 |
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| nox- | try via run-standalone.sh | 03:27 |
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| ebzzry | nox-: Same behavior | 03:30 |
| nox- | is there another instance already running? | 03:31 |
| ebzzry | nox-: Yes | 03:31 |
| ebzzry | nox-: If there is an existing instance, isn't the behavior to switch to that window? | 03:32 |
| nox- | hmm | 03:33 |
| ebzzry | I can't run it from the menu. | 03:33 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:34 |
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| nox- | ebzzry, oh | 03:35 |
| ebzzry | nox-: Yes, I can't. | 03:36 |
| nox- | well if it doesnt even start from the menu then there really is something wrong... | 03:36 |
| ebzzry | nox-: hmm | 03:36 |
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| nox- | can you tap on `new' in the top bar in it, does that open a new window? | 03:37 |
| ebzzry | nox-: It does create a new instance, but I'm afraid if I close my remaining terminal windows, I won't be able to open a new one again. =( | 03:38 |
| nox- | hm | 03:38 |
| nox- | invoking it from the menu should switch to an existing instance at least | 03:39 |
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| ebzzry | Yup. | 03:40 |
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| ebzzry | nox-: Nah. I closed all existing windows, and opened a new one, and it did open succesfully. | 03:41 |
| nox- | ah | 03:41 |
| ebzzry | nox-: whatever it was. I hope I can do it again | 03:41 |
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| Arkenoi | conversation inbox still crashing taking half of widgets with it. sucks. | 04:02 |
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| pupnik | http://www.chiptune.com - awesome amiga workbench emulator website - click on plasma demo :D | 04:18 |
| Gorroth | man, figuring out how to debianize something for the first time is a bit of a chore | 04:19 |
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| pupnik | Gorroth: yeah i agree | 04:24 |
| nox- | Gorroth, do share :) | 04:24 |
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| Gorroth | okay, for maemo, there is this document: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing, and it recommends looking at this document for detailed info: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html | 04:42 |
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| Gorroth | the debian doc is surprisingly good, i think | 04:57 |
| Gorroth | still some to be desired | 04:57 |
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| ebzzry | Do we have a list of -devel packgages that are optified? | 05:05 |
| ebzzry | *packages | 05:05 |
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| Gorroth | optified? does that mean installed to /opt? | 05:08 |
| ebzzry | O.o? Yes. | 05:08 |
| Gorroth | hmm, maybe i should redo this package to install to /opt. i didn't think about that | 05:08 |
| nox- | yep | 05:08 |
| Gorroth | there. now it's building with /opt | 05:09 |
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| Gorroth | i forget why /opt is a big deal (haven't used my n900 or looked at maemo in forever) | 05:09 |
| nox- | space. `someone' didnt know they could make /usr a seperate fs... | 05:10 |
| Gorroth | oh | 05:10 |
| Gorroth | haha | 05:10 |
| Gorroth | well, now this package will install to /opt as it should | 05:13 |
| nox- | :) | 05:13 |
| * nox- also missed what you are packaging :) | 05:13 | |
| Gorroth | squid | 05:13 |
| nox- | oh | 05:13 |
| Gorroth | 3.1.9 | 05:13 |
| nox- | squid on a phone? | 05:14 |
| Gorroth | yeah | 05:14 |
| nox- | what for? | 05:14 |
| Gorroth | i'll let you use your imagination, but i'll just call it "personal reasons" | 05:14 |
| nox- | hah | 05:14 |
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| ebzzry | What's the name of the boot screen app? | 05:15 |
| nox- | the shaking hands? thats just some video file | 05:16 |
| nox- | ah: <DocScrutinizer>from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools : >>/etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome = shaking-hands-video<< | 05:18 |
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| Gorroth | so | 05:55 |
| Gorroth | got the packages for squid built | 05:55 |
| Gorroth | i'll test them out on my maemo device for a bit and see if i have to rebuild the packages | 05:56 |
| Gorroth | then i'll submit them to the maemo repo guys when i'm satisfied it works here | 05:56 |
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| ebzzry | Hmm, after reflash, I don't have the flash plugin anymore. =( | 06:31 |
| ham5 | it always ran so great | 06:31 |
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| ebzzry | Hmm, just try a reinstall | 06:34 |
| ebzzry | *I'll | 06:34 |
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| pupnik_ | let's give a N9 to adam geiss | 06:43 |
| ebzzry | *an | 06:45 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 06:46 |
| Gorroth | maaaaaaannnn... squid works fine in the simular | 06:46 |
| Gorroth | simulator | 06:46 |
| Gorroth | segmentation fault on my n900 | 06:46 |
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| Gorroth | hmm, i probably did something stupid when building this thing | 06:56 |
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| RobbieThe1st | hm... busybox's df command relies on /etc/mtab, right? | 07:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | Problem is, I'm working from a ramdisk with a blank/missing /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab | 07:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | And I'm trying to figure out the amount of space a filesystem has free. | 07:31 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: not directly related to what you are currently speaking about, when was the last time you tested the SSH functionality of BackupMenu? | 07:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... never. | 07:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | I grabbed that whole chunk of code(all five lines or so) from RescueMenu, but since V2 and I switched to a ramdisk root it hasn't/cant work | 07:33 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: My setup may be borked, but I can't connect to the device. | 07:33 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: I also can't ping it. | 07:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | usb networking, you mean? | 07:34 |
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| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: Yes, via USB. | 07:34 |
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| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: I'm sorry about the confusion. | 07:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... I've never actually used it. I -hear- it works, but again, I got that bit of code from the script I based mine on | 07:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | All modules and files are there, so it -should- work, but I'd suggest asking on the topic - I'm sure someone else knows | 07:35 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: May you have some time to look at it in the near future? Sometimes it's easier to delete an offending file than restore from a backup. | 07:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'll do that when I figure it out myself.. I couldn't really figure out the PC-side directions when I last checked them out | 07:36 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: OK, Rob. | 07:38 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I've posted a post about it on my maemo topic; hopefully someone'll come up with a tutorial for us | 07:39 |
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| ebzzry | Hopefully | 07:43 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: Are you referring to the post you sent earlier, or a new one? | 07:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | #176 | 07:45 |
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| RobbieThe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=861750&postcount=176 | 07:45 |
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| ebzzry | Thanks, RobbieThe1st | 07:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | NP | 07:49 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: The one that I used before was BootMenu + SSH patch | 07:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | huh | 07:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | I haven't seen it | 07:59 |
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| ebzzry | http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Usb_Recovery_Mode | 08:01 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Oh. yea... I think that was what I based mine on | 08:02 |
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| RobbieThe1st | 6 months and 1600 lines ago | 08:03 |
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| ebzzry | Hmm | 08:09 |
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| Macer | wow | 09:27 |
| Macer | they should have made the faster app manager the default in 1.3 | 09:28 |
| Macer | it is a shame to see maemo is so awesome but at the end of it line :) | 09:28 |
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| Macer | especially after google video chatting. there really arent too many phones that can vid chat over skype or gtalk like the n900 can | 09:29 |
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| ebzzry | Err, does anybody have the deb for angrybirds? | 09:34 |
| ebzzry | The primary one, that is. | 09:34 |
| ebzzry | Installing from nokia.com times out. =( | 09:35 |
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| iluminator101 | is there user agent switcher for microb | 10:05 |
| iluminator101 | is there a user agent switcher for microb? | 10:05 |
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| crashanddie | is there a user agent switcher plugin for microb? | 10:06 |
| iksaif | Hi, anyone with some time to install/test a package quickly ? :) | 10:08 |
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| RobbieThe1st | What? | 10:09 |
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| RobbieThe1st | crashanddie: You can always edit it from inside about:config | 10:13 |
| crashanddie | RobbieThe1st, I wasn't the one asking | 10:13 |
| ham5 | why did you repeat it | 10:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | iluminator101: You can always edit it from inside about:config | 10:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I'm wondering that too | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | never 2 without 3? | 10:14 |
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| iluminator101 | hmm...but i am lazy | 10:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That's what iDevices are for | 10:15 |
| ham5 | thats neat thats there I didnt know | 10:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | ham5: Incredibly useful | 10:16 |
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| ham5 | ovi probly hates that tho | 10:16 |
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| ebzzry | I hate to interrupt you guys, but does anyone have a .deb of angrybirds? | 10:17 |
| psycho_oreos | they're available from ovi store | 10:17 |
| ham5 | you were askin about that earlier wernt you, trying to find another source to download | 10:17 |
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| iluminator101 | you mean crapple or iSnob | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | ebzzry, there aren't many game developers on Maemo, I'd recommend not kicking them away by indulging in software piracy | 10:18 |
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| ebzzry | crashanddie: Hmm, you assumed I was asking for the levelpacks, which I wasn't. | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | actually, I wasn't: The .deb is available through ovi. Just use it. | 10:19 |
| ebzzry | I was looking for the primary angrybirds deb since I timeout from an apt-get/aptitude install | 10:19 |
| ebzzry | Available from Ovi? How? The .deb? | 10:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | yes when you download it, it will fire up HAM, though HAM by default won't save the deb files.. I suppose you could obtain something like dpkg-repack to repack the installed angrybirds | 10:20 |
| psycho_oreos | and timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minute timeframe? | 10:21 |
| psycho_oreos | s/minute/minutes/ | 10:21 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: and timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minutes timeframe? | 10:21 |
| ham5 | shit def takes way to long, have to let it sit there and do its thing | 10:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's a fix for that HAM with Ovi store, MohammadAG has a patch for it.. I might have the link saved somewhere in me bookmarks | 10:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=736315&postcount=11 | 10:22 |
| psycho_oreos | ^ ^ ^ Thread: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5) ^ ^ ^ | 10:23 |
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| ham5 | deb 404's | 10:25 |
| ham5 | really works? | 10:25 |
| psycho_oreos | looks like he took it off | 10:26 |
| ham5 | synaptic would be nice | 10:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb <--- looks like his main host, either that his new host | 10:30 |
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| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: the trouble is that the download won't finish succesfully. | 10:32 |
| psycho_oreos | ebzzry, unstable connection? | 10:32 |
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| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: I couldn't verify, that's most likely the case. | 10:33 |
| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: stuff coming from repository.maemo.org download fine | 10:33 |
| psycho_oreos | ebzzry, well I'd try connecting to internet via other forms.. either using 3G or wifi or using USB networking (really dirty hack but works nonetheless) | 10:33 |
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| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: but that would no longer achieve the goal of having an offline installer of Angry Birds, right? | 10:34 |
| psycho_oreos | another way to look at it would be to check to see if there's any posts about ovi store and its connection issues/scheduled or unscheduled maintenance, etc | 10:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ebzzry, no it doesn't but you still need to download the game first | 10:35 |
| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: Hmm. Is there a way to snag it from Nokia's server in it's .deb form? | 10:36 |
| ebzzry | *its | 10:36 |
| psycho_oreos | ebzzry, afaik you can officially download it from ovi store, and in order to save the deb packages you'll need to enable red pill mode for HAM | 10:36 |
| psycho_oreos | that plus adjusting the settings once red pill mode has been activated | 10:36 |
| ebzzry | psycho_oreos: How can I do that? | 10:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~redpill | 10:37 |
| psycho_oreos | !redpill | 10:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | grr | 10:37 |
| ham5 | lol red pill | 10:37 |
| ham5 | dont think they call it that anymore oldtimer | 10:38 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode <--- enabling red pill and description of what red pill means | 10:38 |
| psycho_oreos | meh, I'll keep calling it as red pill, keeps curious prying eyes constantly looking :p | 10:39 |
| ebzzry | By the way, is there a command (or set of) to check what is the actual URL of a file that apt-get is fetching? | 10:40 |
| psycho_oreos | why would you want to do that when you only want an offline copy of the file? | 10:40 |
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| ebzzry | To get it, say via wget | 10:41 |
| ebzzry | I timeout midway | 10:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | wget won't necessarily help if the server doesn't support REST mode, I don't know if ovi store's host has that capability or not plus your issue I'm suspecting is happening from your side not from Ovi store | 10:42 |
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| koala_man | my mail for exchange calendar synchronization often fails to sync against google, so that I have to go back and delete recent events until it starts working again. is there any fix for that? | 10:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | yes there's a way to have verbose apt-get output to possibly dump the link, and there's many ways to capture links but I'm getting a little suspicious of your intentions | 10:43 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Or, install it, and during install just copy it out of the apt-cache folder... | 10:45 |
| psycho_oreos | hehe quick hands or knowing the root structure inside out would benefit there | 10:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | /opt/var/cache/apt/archives is the dir in question, BTW | 10:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Note: find / -name *pattern* is your friend | 10:46 |
| ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: but the installation, as I have said earlier, won't complete. | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | then again, enabling red pill mode won't require quick hands :) even with small files that takes matter of seconds to install | 10:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Though, what's this about quick hands - My folder has about 6 or so packages in it, from the last couple installs | 10:47 |
| psycho_oreos | more like find $foo -name "*bar*" -exec cp - ~ ... ;) | 10:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | And it's been like 10 reboots and several days | 10:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | I thought by default installations from ovi store makes HAM auto purge cached deb files | 10:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | It might | 10:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | If it does, that's just plain mean | 10:48 |
| psycho_oreos | it is also noted on the same wiki link that apt-get clean is the default behaviour of blue pill mode | 10:48 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... open terminal, type "cp /opt/var/cache/apt/archives/* /home/user/Mydocs/", start the install and as soon as it downloads, hit enter | 10:49 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm pretty sure it does.. I have tried copying installed debs from ovi but finding out the cache director is empty, and before I knew there was red pill mode that can be enabled and thus manually I used dpkg-repack to repack installed debs | 10:50 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Is there a way to disable that functionality in blue-pill mode, btw? | 10:50 |
| psycho_oreos | lol... ;) while loop :D | 10:50 |
| psycho_oreos | no, you'll have to enable red pill mode first | 10:50 |
| psycho_oreos | or just use something like fapman I suppose.. I dunno if that'll work with ovi however | 10:51 |
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| ebzzry | Hmm | 10:51 |
| ebzzry | I found the deb by Googling for the complete deb file name | 10:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | might not even be official ones if they're not from ovi but then again | 10:54 |
| ebzzry | Maybe | 10:54 |
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| ebzzry | Now, time to get the checksum of the official deb. =) | 11:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys played with espeak? as in, using it in some really wacky scenarios? | 11:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm curious - would it be possible to "hack together" a S/PDIF over copper output using the headphone jack? Either with custom-encoded digital audio getting sent over the left audio channel, or via the third ring connector which generally carries Composite? | 12:01 |
| vintherp | Hi, I'm helping a friend who has a nokia n900 and is trying to sync that to an ubuntu 9.10 evolution (mostly) for the calendar and adresses functions. He would like to use usb connection for that. We have searched a bit for it and found some solutions but they seem quite advanced.. Are there some simple(r) solutions for such an operation ? | 12:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | What solution did you find? | 12:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Like most Linux solutions, the best one will probably involve setting up one or more shell-scripts that you then run which do the actual syncing | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo all. | 12:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Moo yourself | 12:11 |
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| pigeon | does anyone know how you could download those .deb files directory from maemo repository? | 12:12 |
| pigeon | plain wget gives 403 | 12:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | which maemo repository? | 12:12 |
| pigeon | for example, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/./mp-fremantle-002-pr_20.2010.36-2.002_all.deb | 12:13 |
| pigeon | say, i get the url using apt-get --print-uris install <package> | 12:13 |
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| vintherp | RobbieThe1st, we have tried syncevolution | 12:14 |
| psycho_oreos | don't understand why you want to do that, download deb files | 12:15 |
| vintherp | RobbieThe1st, which we could not get to work.. syncevolution 0.9 ... | 12:15 |
| pigeon | it's complicated ;) | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | more like trying to mirror | 12:16 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know how to configure evopedia with a folder that starts with a dot? I want to put my dumps in ~/MyDocs/.evopedia but the in-gui file browser of course hides those files. Where's the config file? It's not ~/.evopediarc apprently. | 12:21 |
| pigeon | well, i could use --download-only, but i only want the meta package, not all its depenencies... oh well. | 12:22 |
| vintherp | RobbieThe1st, so are there no GUI that makes it possible to connect n900, open evolution, and a button named 'sync' or the like ... | 12:22 |
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| Sargun_Screen | where can i get a changelog on the most recent version of maemo? | 12:26 |
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| pupnik_ | how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar? | 12:33 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik_, you can't | 12:34 |
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| pupnik_ | crashanddie: maybe i just measure gpu fan speed ;) | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, if you're using cuda, just check gputop | 12:38 |
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| pupnik_ | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.tar.bz2 | 12:39 |
| Sargun_Screen | will #meego suceed this channel? | 12:39 |
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| crashanddie | hopefully not, Sargun_Screen | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, this channel is about #maemo, and as long as the Maemo project exists, I don't see any reason for this to change | 12:40 |
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| Sargun_Screen | crashanddie: what is nokia's perspective on maemo? | 12:46 |
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| jacktheripper | I'm not able to find the mount options in init.d/event.d scripts. I've grepped for everything possible. I could change /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab. | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | you would probably ahve to ask nokia for that | 12:46 |
| jacktheripper | but MyDocs still mounts with noexec and fmask=0133 | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, but the general idea is that maemo 6 (harmattan) will be meego compatible, and will be the last version of maemo. | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, in other words: EOL | 12:47 |
| kerio | :( | 12:47 |
| kerio | goodnight sweet prince | 12:47 |
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| juk | i cant ssh to ubuntu, but can from ubuntu, it times out | 13:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | can yiou ping the machine in question juk? | 13:16 |
| nidO | obvious questions would be check sshd is actually running and check iptables | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | And have you got the right IP address | 13:16 |
| juk | SpeedEvil: yes | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | can you ssh to it from different machines? | 13:17 |
| juk | nidO: i think i was messing with last | 13:17 |
| juk | SpeedEvil: i can't from n900, guess would be same for all | 13:18 |
| juk | from any machine | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - then it's more a ubuntu question. | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | is sshd running, and ... | 13:19 |
| juk | SpeedEvil: yes, on both | 13:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | are there any logs on syslog | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | what does stracing sshd show | 13:19 |
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| alterego | Are you attempting to ssh to it from a windows machine? | 13:20 |
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| juk | SpeedEvil: only attempts from localhost | 13:20 |
| juk | alterego: no | 13:21 |
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| juk | alterego: from n900 to ubuntu | 13:21 |
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| alterego | Hrm, | 13:22 |
| alterego | Oh, restart sshd | 13:22 |
| alterego | Are you using wifi or usb for the network? | 13:22 |
| juk | alterego: where? | 13:22 |
| nidO | ... | 13:23 |
| alterego | Where what? | 13:23 |
| juk | alterego: on n900 or ubuntu | 13:23 |
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| alterego | On the N900 | 13:23 |
| alterego | Ahit, I mean ubunuuntu! :P | 13:23 |
| nidO | sshd on your n900 has nothing to do with any of this | 13:23 |
| alterego | You're confusing me now. | 13:24 |
| juk | alterego: yeah im too | 13:24 |
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| alterego | Restart sshd on your ubuntu with: sudo stop ssh; sudo start ssh | 13:25 |
| alterego | Then try again | 13:25 |
| jacktheripper | is there anything between your PC and your N900 ? like a router or sth ? | 13:25 |
| juk | alterego: i did same time out | 13:25 |
| juk | jacktheripper: yes router | 13:26 |
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| alterego | Weird, | 13:26 |
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| jacktheripper | are they both connected to it ? check for any firewalls. | 13:27 |
| alterego | I use my N900 to ssh out to a remote server, forward it's sshd port to that server, so I can then log into my N900 from my laptop and tell the N900 to download large files for me. | 13:27 |
| juk | jacktheripper: sure, im on it talking here | 13:27 |
| alterego | Works quite nicely ^_^ | 13:28 |
| juk | alterego: you confusing me | 13:28 |
| jacktheripper | I remember I had a problem similar, and I also remember I rebooted both sides, including the router. | 13:29 |
| alterego | I had a similar problem once, but restarting sshd fixed it. | 13:29 |
| juk | jacktheripper: i can't router is public | 13:29 |
| alterego | Rebooting everything is a pretty good starting point though, also, get wireshark out and check the traffic | 13:30 |
| alterego | juk, what do you mean public? Internet cafe or BTFON or something? | 13:30 |
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| juk | alterego: no, it's shared with buddies around | 13:33 |
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| alterego | juk, ah, okay. | 13:33 |
| nidO | I still dont see you mentioning whether you've actually checked iptables on the ubuntu machine | 13:33 |
| juk | alterego: how is that relevant | 13:33 |
| alterego | juk: some BTFON rojuters sandbox each connection so they can't interact | 13:34 |
| juk | nidO: i am | 13:34 |
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| nidO | alterego: he can connect ubuntu > n900 though so its highly unlikely to be a connection issue, rather than just not running / not configuring sshd / having iptables blocking the connections | 13:34 |
| alterego | Oh, okay | 13:35 |
| alterego | juk: run: sudo stop ssh | 13:35 |
| alterego | the do ps -A | grep ssh | 13:35 |
| alterego | show us whats output | 13:36 |
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| juk | target prot opt source destination | 13:36 |
| juk | ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere | 13:36 |
| juk | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED | 13:36 |
| juk | ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere | 13:36 |
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| juk | nidO: can you help with that | 13:37 |
| juk | nidO: do you have idea | 13:38 |
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| juk | 1966 ? 00:00:00 ssh-agent | 13:39 |
| juk | 16714 ? 00:00:00 sshd | 13:39 |
| juk | 16715 ? 00:00:00 sshd | 13:39 |
| juk | alterego: so? | 13:39 |
| jacktheripper | 2 sshds ? o.O | 13:40 |
| nidO | that suggests you have something connected | 13:41 |
| nidO | do ps aux|grep sshd | 13:41 |
| nidO | to check that | 13:41 |
| juk | root 16714 0.0 0.0 5632 1008 ? Ss 19:23 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd | 13:41 |
| juk | root 16715 0.0 0.0 5632 1016 ? Ss 19:23 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd | 13:41 |
| juk | root 16991 0.0 0.0 4012 756 pts/0 S+ 19:41 0:00 grep --color=auto sshd | 13:41 |
| nidO | hm, that is 2 sshd's then. | 13:41 |
| nidO | kill them and restart sshd. | 13:42 |
| pigeon | ~pr1.3 | 13:42 |
| infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 13:42 |
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| juk | nidO: so now one is runnig | 13:44 |
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| jacktheripper | juk: you tested again ? | 13:45 |
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| juk | jacktheripper: time out | 13:45 |
| nidO | did you kill them both and restart sshd or just kill one? | 13:46 |
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| juk | nidO: apparently one, since second keeps changing pid so can't kill | 13:46 |
| chem|st | juk: /etc/init.d/ssh stop | 13:47 |
| chem|st | juk: and now grep again | 13:47 |
| juk | chem|st: is it supposed to kill daemon? | 13:47 |
| chem|st | it is supposed to stop it properly yes | 13:47 |
| chem|st | juk: and dont start it by typing sshd in the shell | 13:48 |
| juk | chem|st: well it's just changes it's pid | 13:48 |
| chem|st | juk: killall sshd | 13:48 |
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| juk | chem|st: nope, im getting angry | 13:49 |
| chem|st | juk: does ssh work again or still timeout? | 13:49 |
| nidO | an sshd process with its' pid constantly changing isnt normal | 13:49 |
| juk | chem|st: still time out | 13:49 |
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| chem|st | ok try killall /usr/sbin/sshd | 13:49 |
| nidO | how quickly is the pid changing? | 13:50 |
| chem|st | is it realy the pid? | 13:51 |
| pigeon | how much free space is needed for 1.3 OTA upgrade? | 13:51 |
| juk | chem|st: just changes two last digits in second number of output ps aux|grep sshd | 13:53 |
| nidO | show us an output again | 13:53 |
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| juk | root 17378 0.0 0.0 5632 984 ? Ss 19:51 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd | 13:53 |
| juk | root 17380 0.0 0.0 4012 756 pts/0 S+ 19:51 0:00 grep --color=auto sshd | 13:53 |
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| chem|st | 17378 thath one? | 13:53 |
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| nidO | how quickly is the pid changing? | 13:54 |
| juk | chem|st: yes | 13:54 |
| juk | nidO: as quickly as i type killall /usr/sbin/sshd | 13:55 |
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| juk | nidO: im typing not fast | 13:55 |
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| juk | i ask in #ubuntu | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | juk: ehrm ubuntu desktop pc? | 14:00 |
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| juk | alright guys Dr_Willis professional killed it | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | juk, maybe I can help? | 14:01 |
| chem|st | juk: how? | 14:01 |
| juk | chem|st: service ssh stop | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | with a simple /etc/init.d/ssh stop? | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | or that | 14:01 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: have you tried to turn it off and on again? | 14:01 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: old, did that already | 14:01 |
| juk | it's irrelevant now | 14:01 |
| juk | now i need to ssh from maemo to ubuntu | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | juk, is ssh running on ubuntu? | 14:02 |
| chem|st | juk: the ubuntu part was important, didn't get that | 14:02 |
| juk | chem|st: i realize, thank you too | 14:02 |
| Shadikka | Ubuntu = sudo service sshd stop | 14:02 |
| chem|st | Shadikka: without d normaly | 14:03 |
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| juk | Shadikka: it's a bit late | 14:03 |
| Shadikka | whatever. | 14:03 |
| chem|st | hehe | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | juk, instead of spouting useless things like "it's a bit late", and "it's irrelevant now", how about you explain what the status is | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | our balls ain't made out of crystal, yet you're managing to bust them. | 14:03 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: he did, it did work with service ssh stop | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | well, that stops ssh? Wth is he trying to achieve? | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | he wants to ssh? I'd say that requires ssh to be running, hence my question: sitrep. | 14:04 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: he had 2 processes running one he killed and the other was changing pid repeatedly | 14:04 |
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| crashanddie | fair enough. Thanks. | 14:04 |
| chem|st | and ssh gave a timeout | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | so race concurrency for the accept() | 14:05 |
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| crashanddie | pigeon, some reports say 85MB, others say 65. | 14:06 |
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| pigeon | crashanddie: thanks | 14:07 |
| pigeon | i don't see how i could remove that many things from / | 14:07 |
| jkyro | hello | 14:07 |
| jkyro | anybody know about the reboot flag in package control data? | 14:08 |
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| nidO | pigeon, it's definitely somewhere under 70mb | 14:08 |
| jkyro | doesn't seem to work, i.e. when I put XB-Maemo-Flags: reboot to debian/control, installing the package doesn't reboot the device | 14:08 |
| nidO | iv seen mentions from some people managing to install with 55-60mb odd free | 14:08 |
| alterego | Seems the browser doesn't suffer as much from history killing auto complete anymore. | 14:09 |
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| ebzzry_ | /home/user/somefile is part of rootfs, right? | 14:15 |
| alterego | No | 14:15 |
| alterego | emmc | 14:16 |
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| chem|st | ebzzry_: mount.... and see what is where | 14:16 |
| lcuk | whilst on the subject, cat proc/partitions | 14:16 |
| alterego | hrm, stange | 14:16 |
| lcuk | if i umount one of the items listed there as my 4gb card | 14:16 |
| lcuk | why does MyDocs unmount | 14:17 |
| chem|st | lcuk: exact syntax? | 14:17 |
| alterego | Heh, because during boot the dev nodes are swapped | 14:17 |
| lcuk | morning btw \o | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | hold on chem|st | 14:17 |
| lcuk | bit hard on current network to do both at same time | 14:17 |
| chem|st | mmcblk0 is emmc mmcblk1 is sd | 14:17 |
| alterego | Hey lcuk blk0 is micro sd blk1 is emmc, but during boot the dev nodes get switched | 14:18 |
| lcuk | ok, "cat /proc/partitions" | 14:18 |
| chem|st | alterego: for nitdroid | 14:18 |
| lcuk | this is prep for meego | 14:18 |
| alterego | so /proc/partitions shows the kernel view, but the dev nodes are different | 14:18 |
| lcuk | still in running maemo system though | 14:18 |
| ebzzry_ | hmm | 14:18 |
| alterego | lcuk: exactly | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | yeah its disconcerting | 14:19 |
| alterego | ls -l mmcblk0 | 14:19 |
| lcuk | can i get a list of the real view? | 14:19 |
| lcuk | that wont work | 14:19 |
| lcuk | thats the whole drive | 14:19 |
| alterego | /dev/mmcblk0 :) | 14:19 |
| lcuk | ? | 14:19 |
| chem|st | lcuk: type mount | 14:19 |
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| alterego | lcuk: confused me too, so I flash meego using usb cable :) | 14:20 |
| chem|st | lcuk: you can also umount the mountpoint instead of the dev | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: see bmo ticket for renaming of partitions during boot | 14:21 |
| lcuk | I did DocScrutinizer | 14:21 |
| chem|st | alterego: I'd like to have a none raw system and setup the stuff myself instead of overwritting my sd card... | 14:21 |
| lcuk | but i was hoping to get some nice list - like /proc/partitions but actually valid | 14:21 |
| chem|st | alterego: why is it swapped anyway? blk0 and blk1? | 14:22 |
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| * MohammadAG51 waves | 14:22 | |
| chem|st | hi MohammadAG51 | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | chem|st, cause the scripts are hardcoded - maybe | 14:22 |
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| crashanddie | talking about scripts, anyone need anything? | 14:23 |
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| crashanddie | wrong button | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh | 14:23 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: I am wondering the same from my desktop as sd[a,b,c,d] are swapped to sd[d,b,a,c] | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, never seen that | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | my numbering scheme is always the same | 14:24 |
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| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 has been released. See ~pr1.3" | 14:25 | |
| chem|st | crashanddie: I'd like to activet pulseaudio rtp/multicast reciever and sender functionality without fscking up the whole system | 14:25 |
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| crashanddie | chem|st, chroot | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | chroot is the new apple | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | everything is chroot | 14:26 |
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| alterego | lcuk: cat /proc/partitions | sed 's/blk0/blk1/;t;s/blk1/blk0/;' | 14:28 |
| lcuk | alterego, is that a fixed specific always expected thing | 14:31 |
| lcuk | seriously, i saw the proc/partitions lne in instructions for flashing images and it makes me very nervous to know its wrong | 14:32 |
| alterego | Yes | 14:33 |
| alterego | On the N900 at least | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Actually, I believe the same is true on N800 they get internal and external switched | 14:34 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: which instructions (link?)= | 14:37 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#On_the_N900_itself | 14:38 |
| chem|st | lcuk: thanks edited | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | thanks chem|st :) | 14:45 |
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| chem|st | hmm I rewrite it thats just crap | 14:49 |
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| alterego | Strange did a google search and google complained I was a robot | 14:57 |
| LjL | it happened to me several times | 14:57 |
| LjL | though for me, the issue is i'm on a shared IP (NAT'd) | 14:57 |
| lcuk | alterego, go with the flow. | 14:57 |
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| alterego | Weird, I'm not | 14:58 |
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| alterego | I just figured they'd been talking to my gf | 14:58 |
| alterego | She says I'm like a robot. | 14:58 |
| chem|st | lcuk: read again please and tell if it is ok this way | 14:58 |
| alterego | I don't even think in a good way ... | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 14:59 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: hey | 15:01 |
| alterego | Aloha RST38h | 15:01 |
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| chem|st | why the hell is my current oppinion of PR1.3 just "crap" | 15:03 |
| alterego | chem|st: I don't know, why don't you start a tmo thread and tell us :P | 15:03 |
| RST38h | chem|st: has not delivered most of the improvements people expected | 15:04 |
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| RST38h | Certainly has not delivered stuff the lemmings were waiting for | 15:04 |
| chem|st | alterego: O_o backup freezes, conversation windows crash with yellow notice and so on | 15:04 |
| RST38h | i.e. no Meego and no Flash10, so it *must be* crap, right? | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: I dont care about flash10 or meego compatibility for now | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | conversation windows no longer crash for me in PR1.3 | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | actually, no flash on meego is the first good news i've heard so far | 15:05 |
| RST38h | In PR1.2 I could not open any Skype conversation where the last replic was mine | 15:05 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: right after "no java", I hope :) | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | actually, before java :P | 15:06 |
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| alterego | I can't say I suffer these issues :/ | 15:06 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: for me they didn't crash before | 15:07 |
| chem|st | alterego: well my primary use is IM I guess, at least it is the most up front | 15:09 |
| RST38h | chem|st: I would recreate IM accounts | 15:09 |
| RST38h | xclean all the data, create from scratcj | 15:09 |
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| ebzzry_ | Is there a way to determine if a package to be installed is optified or not? | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | ebzzry_: if it is in extras | 15:11 |
| chem|st | RST38h: did that as I installed from scratch | 15:12 |
| lcuk | chem|st, ok, so that you just said about /dev/mmcblk1 is *ALWAYS* the removable mmc on n900 up until this point | 15:12 |
| chem|st | well at least the rootfs | 15:12 |
| chem|st | lcuk: yes | 15:12 |
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| alterego | lcuk: under maemo, it is. | 15:13 |
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| RST38h | chem|st: really weird then | 15:13 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: if you leave your creepy fingers of repartitioning it is /dev/mmcblk1p1 to umount and mmcblk1 to `dd` | 15:13 |
| chem|st | RST38h: and it seems to be skype only atm | 15:14 |
| chem|st | strace is in sdk repo? | 15:15 |
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| Zwi | Is anyone using MGutenberg on N900? | 15:16 |
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| xkr47 | has anybody implemented a web service to compile C programs to armel binaries ? :) | 15:17 |
| alterego | xkr47: you mean the extras auto builder? :) | 15:18 |
| xkr47 | I don't know :) | 15:18 |
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| Zwi | The search function seems not to be working in MGutenberg. | 15:21 |
| jacktheripper | does anyone know where MyDocs is mounted at boot ? (and where I can tweak the mount options ?) | 15:23 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: /dev/mmcblk0p1 -> /home/user/MyDocs | 15:24 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: which mount options? | 15:25 |
| alterego | xkr47: well, you upload a debian like source package and a signature file, and it builds it for various versions of maemo and they x86 sdk equiv | 15:25 |
| jacktheripper | default file permissions and the executable bit | 15:25 |
| ebzzry_ | Can anyone confirm if texlive is optified or not? | 15:25 |
| marmoute | ebzzry_: I can't believe it isn't | 15:26 |
| jacktheripper | I found /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab. But MyDocs still gets mounted with noexec and fmask=0133 | 15:26 |
| xkr47 | alterego, yeah I just found out | 15:26 |
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| ebzzry_ | marmoute: What made you say that? | 15:26 |
| xkr47 | alterego, I just thought of a simpler service to compile a .c file to an elf file | 15:26 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: it is vfat and has nothing like permissions but the executable bit can be cahnged I guess | 15:26 |
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| xkr47 | I could edit the sources on my phone and instantly get an elf binary to run | 15:26 |
| xkr47 | without needing toolchains | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: you need to regenerate fstab... | 15:27 |
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| jacktheripper | chem|st, yes, the entry in fstab is currently fmask=777 and exec | 15:27 |
| alterego | xkr47: yeah, well, if it's for small apps either use python or install the toolchain on thye N900 :P | 15:28 |
| jacktheripper | but MyDocs still mounts with noexec at boot, so there must be another settings somewhere else | 15:28 |
| xkr47 | why on earth, I want to use C :) | 15:28 |
| xkr47 | but ok thanks it was nice info | 15:28 |
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| jacktheripper | chem|st, I've grepped for everything relevant in /etc/init.d and /etc/events.d, and yet found nothing | 15:29 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: edit by hand, I guess a reboot will write it again | 15:30 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, uh you don't get me, I've actually changed the regeneration of fstab | 15:31 |
| alterego | xkr47: sure, but Python is available and easy to do on-device. | 15:31 |
| jacktheripper | it regenerates with exec, so on boot without editing by hand it's exec. | 15:31 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 15:31 |
| alterego | xkr47: if you have a server at you disposal writing a simple auto-builder would be quite simple. | 15:31 |
| xkr47 | yeah | 15:32 |
| xkr47 | I actually want to program in Vala | 15:32 |
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| ebzzry_ | Can /usr/lib/microb-engine be safely moved to /opt/usr/lib and have a symlink point to the latter? | 15:32 |
| xkr47 | but that's just a translation away :) | 15:32 |
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| alterego | Heh, | 15:33 |
| alterego | xkr47: so you actually want a vala to c to armel web service :P | 15:34 |
| xkr47 | yes | 15:34 |
| xkr47 | but my friend has osx and we thought maybe a C -> armel would be useful for him too | 15:34 |
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| xkr47 | or is it possible to get scratchbox et al to install in osx ? | 15:35 |
| alterego | xkr47: Well, you're probably better off with madde | 15:36 |
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| xkr47 | you -> he.. :) | 15:36 |
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| xkr47 | ok thanks again | 15:38 |
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| alterego | xkr47: np | 15:39 |
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| alterego | Madde is a nice self contained cross compilation toolchain that works on the three major platforms, win,osx,linux | 15:39 |
| alterego | I've got it installed on a server for me to do something similar to what you require. | 15:40 |
| xkr47 | I hope my friend gets it working :) | 15:40 |
| xkr47 | I don't require, I inquire :) | 15:40 |
| alterego | :D | 15:40 |
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| alterego | Well, have fun. | 15:40 |
| xkr47 | He has had an iphone for several years and got bored, so now he has a n900 :) | 15:40 |
| alterego | That's quite cool, iPhones are kinda boring :) | 15:41 |
| xkr47 | quite amazing, I was able to compile my old sdl game from 2004 using scratchbox without touching the source | 15:41 |
| xkr47 | it just worked on the n900 | 15:42 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | does the default maemo media player offer flac support with libflac8? | 15:43 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | I just installed the library, but the media player still doesn't playback flac, do I have to do anything else? | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | i just seriously flamed/trolled one of the devs at the office | 15:44 |
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| crashanddie | he was doing a select * from table_name; and then parsing the results until he found the right one, rinse and repeat about 200k times. | 15:44 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: feels good, right? | 15:44 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | lol @ that | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 15:45 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: comon practise | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | He dared coming into my office, while I was on the phone, saying "Your pseudo-SQL implementation is way too slow" | 15:45 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | a lot of 'programmers' do it | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | GOD, THROW DOWN BRAINZ! | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | I showed him the wonders of the where clause, and told him to gtfo. | 15:46 |
| RurouniJones | crashanddie; Dev LEAD at my old place did that but if he needed to find files with multiple parameters he would select * then loop through the array gradually trimming away parameter by parameter. | 15:46 |
| RurouniJones | the joys of uniface | 15:46 |
| ebzzry_ | Hi! Is /usr/lib/microb-engine needed during boot time? | 15:46 |
| jacktheripper | ebzzry_, yes, or you'll be stuck in a bootloop | 15:47 |
| alterego | ebzzry_: I think it's required for browserd yes | 15:47 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | ebzzry_: is your actual question "Hi I deleted /usr/lib/microb-engine and my device won't boot, what do?" | 15:47 |
| ebzzry_ | That was close. | 15:47 |
| * GAN900 sighs at dumbassery. | 15:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | the more interesting question being: is it needed *before* /home is mounted? | 15:48 |
| ebzzry_ | I did that earlier, and I was able to recover fairly quick. | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | I knew that as the years went by, the number of people who have no understanding of programming calling themselves would rise, I just never imagined I'd be the one calling them on it. | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | calling themselves "programmers" | 15:48 |
| ebzzry_ | So it's like Windows+Ie during the old days, then? | 15:48 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: managed to wrap my head around FFT now :D | 15:49 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: what do you expect, most western edjucation systems suck hard... | 15:49 |
| alterego | working on an implementation at the moment. | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: great! another huge pile of useless knowledge :-P | 15:50 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: and that so called programmer edjucation is a joke in most countrys | 15:50 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: hardly useless, I want to do signal processing :P | 15:50 |
| nidO | the reg had an article about that point a few days ago, that in the uk at least CS grads are coming out with the ability to code java and nothing else, and no proper understanding or real interest in the field | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: as there's zillions of implementations, even rather nifty ones | 15:50 |
| James_Littler | Hi all, so who wants flash10.1 libflashplayer.so? | 15:50 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: sure, but I want to learn :P | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | alterego, if you have a decent level in math, and can understand FTT really, really well, there's a lot of money to be made in that domain | 15:50 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | James_Littler: noone, it's a mess... | 15:51 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, welcome to a world of public education. | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: legit. But mere for fun. Usually you use a FFT algo as a black box | 15:51 |
| James_Littler | seems to work as good as 9.4 | 15:51 |
| alterego | crashanddie: indeed :) | 15:51 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: public education can work | 15:51 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I know, I've used others, namely fftreal, but I really want to get into the gut math | 15:51 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: some nordic countrys do a pretty good job at it | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cooolshit man | 15:51 |
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| James_Littler | well if anyone wants it, let me know | 15:52 |
| pexi | It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: but, pretty please, don't talk to us about it once you understood :-D | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | tmo wants it | 15:52 |
| James_Littler | http://rapidshare.com/#!download|579|409389186|libflashplayer10_1_53_0.rar|2234 | 15:52 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | James_Littler: if you packaged it, just submit it to the extras-devel repository, implying you've got a garage | 15:52 |
| James_Littler | enjoy boys and girls | 15:53 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: :( | 15:53 |
| alterego | why? | 15:53 |
| alterego | :D | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's devastating to general mental health | 15:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:53 |
| James_Littler | I do but don't particularly want adobe's lawyers bending me over | 15:53 |
| James_Littler | so have the rapidshare link and be greatful | 15:53 |
| alterego | I dunno, seems quite simple now, just a composition of about three different math concepts | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or, like crashanddie said: "too many WTFs and LOLWUTz" | 15:54 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | James_Littler: does the licence prohibit packagin of the flashlib? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | even FFT basics are mindboggling | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, like most ideals, it usually doesn't. :) | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | pexi, quoting Einstein are we? | 15:55 |
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| James_Littler | I didnt have a licence...that's the point. Just call me Capn Jack | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, emphatic declaration of an ideas validity does not make it valid. | 15:55 |
| James_Littler | reports as 10.1.53.0 | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, you're an EE, you probably ate FFT for breakfast while studying filters and shit. | 15:56 |
| pexi | crashanddie, yepp | 15:56 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: We've got hard numbers backing up my claims | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I took the short way | 15:56 |
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| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, not anywhere in anyplace I live. | 15:56 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: I don't understand what you're trying to say now =) | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | fft is not - mathematically interesting. | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Private education is significantly more effective, and significantly cheaper, than public education in the US. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a simple reworking of DFT | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, if you have hard numbers, show them, or stfu. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's an optimisation problem. | 15:57 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: ah, that's what you're talking about | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Considering public education was set up as a way to indoctrinate and control people. . . . | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fun bit - like always - are the parallels in real physics (as of C, L, R, and tripoles) and mere math | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, and provide the industry of the early 19th century with drone people fit to do specific tasks, not think. | 15:58 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: read the pisa report... | 15:58 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Was it? | 15:58 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Any documentary proof of that? | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | though for FFT these are only for what it can do and what it can't, given certain parameters | 15:58 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | RST38h: it's eod he's a republican | 15:58 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yes, see the public education movement in the 19th century. | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, you don't want to go there | 15:59 |
| sivang | re all | 15:59 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, and thus your irrational bias is revealed. | 15:59 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: I'm a socialist | 15:59 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, clearly. | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: for example a have quite some idea WHAT a kalman filter does, but NFC *how* it's done | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, when did the public school start? Right around the technical revolution, early 19th century. Classes are ordered around what the industry needed, a real hierarchy: math, sciences, human sciences, social sciences, art. | 16:00 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, well, as an engineer, that's pretty much all you need. | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 16:00 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: I want the government to brainwash you into helping to build the class less socity ;) | 16:00 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: just kidding | 16:00 |
| pexi | pisa maths and finland's public education | 16:00 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: it's just that your opion of the schooling system and mine are too far apart of each other to start a proper discussion | 16:01 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, class warfare is just another way of controlling people. | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | pexi, pisa math? Because they're slowly toppling over and bound to crumble? | 16:01 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, your definition of ethics isn't compatible with mine. :) | 16:01 |
| ebzzry_ | Is /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 critical to the boot process? | 16:01 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: You don't know my ethics yet =) | 16:01 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: but your claim somewhat backsup my previous claim that you're a republican | 16:02 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, you just said you're a socialist. | 16:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | and I said I was just kidding | 16:02 |
| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, I'm not, actually. | 16:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | for europeen standards | 16:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | you are | 16:02 |
| marmoute | yeah I'm sure private and religious education for rich people are far cheaper and far less endoctrinative than public one. | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, GAN900 is most definitely not a republican. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | GAN900: So, no documentary evidence, in the shape of some more/less credible URLs? | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, hang on | 16:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | we're slightly less fearing a too strong state | 16:02 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: That makes GAN libertarian which is even worse | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | evilly | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, and I doubt that your 5 minute analysis of GAN allows you to make such spurious assumptions. May I suggest you drop the topic about what wing GAN is? | 16:03 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html http://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_bring_on_the_revolution.html | 16:03 |
| pexi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment | 16:03 |
| pexi | nice results | 16:03 |
| pexi | :> | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | watch in that order, RST38h | 16:04 |
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| Zwi | Is it not possible to turn a PDF file? | 16:04 |
| Zwi | On N900 | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | I'm tempted to say "Turn the n900 sideways" | 16:04 |
| chem|st | Zwi: turn? | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, rotate | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, this channel seems rather trigger-happy to politics "trolling" recently | 16:04 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: I'm just kidding, anyways I don't share his point of view with private education being supiror to public education, since there's always the problem of access to education in private education systems. | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, sure, but this channel is hardly the place for those discussions... ##politics maybe? | 16:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: I do belive that public education is important to give as much as possible people access to education, however I'm not against private education in general. | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | Don't make me ask you to drop the topic 3 times in a row. | 16:06 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: maybe ^^ | 16:06 |
| Zwi | Turning the N900 sadly doesn,t help :) The file is wery wide and not that long. | 16:06 |
| pexi | its quite narrow approach to look education only from the public/non-public perspective | 16:06 |
| pexi | and im dropping this now :) | 16:07 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | pexi: ! | 16:07 |
| chem|st | pdf reader is broken too! | 16:07 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | pexi: you won't get away this easiely | 16:07 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | pexi: join ##politics and let's discuss this matter | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes!! | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I'm trying to find a good source on that one. | 16:07 |
| chem|st | the >< go missing in FSmode if you tabbed the screen once | 16:07 |
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| pexi | sorry, im bit too old for that :) | 16:07 |
| RST38h | GAN900: My guess is that yes, it started as professional education, but no, it has never been INTENDED as a too of indoctrination | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | also beware, Doc is still in a grumpy mood | 16:08 |
| chem|st | Zwi: wide and long is just what you need landscape for so why you want to turn? | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information | 16:08 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Besides, it is probably different depending on what country you are in | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | Conference people ^ | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, you going? | 16:09 |
| chem|st | Zwi: xjournal has more functions than you need I guess | 16:09 |
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| Zwi | The problem is that if I turn N900 the sides of the paper are still cut out. So I need to scrool every line. | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BLAH | 16:12 |
| Zwi | It is not a big problem but it is uncomfortable. | 16:13 |
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| chem|st | GAN900: isn't it enough that intelligence knows about your flight details? | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: netsplit, he's gone | 16:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ty | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | chem|st: it provides certain confidence that they will not use the anal probe, once they really need those details | 16:14 |
| RST38h | So, yes, it is a good thing! | 16:14 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: facebook-believe "you got no need for privacy nowadays" gets people in serious trouble | 16:15 |
| RST38h | chem|st: Then do not get a facebook account. Why would you need one, anyway? | 16:15 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: it is not about facebook... people like to post twitter anything of their lifes to the net for any reason and look screwed after some russian-belarus network used their identity to buy sportcars and jewelery | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | chem|st: Ok. Why would you want to have a twitter account then? | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | You want everyone to know when you are taking a shit, with photos? | 16:19 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I deleted my twitter account after some agb changes... | 16:19 |
| chem|st | nevermind.... if they like to... .oO(I should change my businessplan to identity theft) | 16:19 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | refering my email account to my twitter account in public isn't something I want | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | It all comes down to your personal choice | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, twitter allows photos now? | 16:21 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | RST38h: well, it's just most people don't want to get an email from guys how follow them on twitter | 16:22 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | and also one thing why I quit twitter | 16:23 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | suddenly people started following me! | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | KaffeeJunky123, shocking | 16:24 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | lcuk: well I guess that's what I got for posting some #911txts from wikileaks that I found to be funny | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: no, what you really got from that will show eventually when you learn about bureaucracy | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "Duh, what noflight list? WTF, do I look like a taliban?!?" - "Sorry, Sir, please leave the airport! NOW!" | 16:30 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Actually, if I'd ever fly to the usa I'll definitly grow a taliban beard before doing so :) | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WB everybody :-D | 16:33 |
| lolloo | hey! | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: took a offtime? :-D | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 16:34 |
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| lolloo | hahaaa! | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: bark | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, she's busy with recovering from the shock | 16:35 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=807108&postcount=48 | 16:35 |
| lolloo | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 16:35 |
| lolloo | atlast! | 16:35 |
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| GAN900 | Shit netsplit? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 16:36 |
| * GAN900 has hidden join/parts. | 16:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | 34 went | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information <- fill in your info. | 16:36 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 16:37 |
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| ebzzry_ | My new conversations are not logged, why do you think it happens? | 17:01 |
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| ebzzry_ | It doesn't reflect in el-v1.db, too. | 17:05 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | ebzzry_: they're logged | 17:06 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | ebzzry_: ask the NSA for them, they might hand em over | 17:06 |
| ebzzry_ | I don't know what you smoked, what you could be nicer. | 17:06 |
| ebzzry_ | s/what/but/ | 17:07 |
| infobot | ebzzry_ meant: I don't know but you smoked, what you could be nicer. | 17:07 |
| ebzzry_ | nah | 17:07 |
| ebzzry_ | 2nd what. jesus. | 17:07 |
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| ebzzry_ | Is it possible that logging can be turned off? | 17:14 |
| ebzzry_ | Say, by an app? | 17:14 |
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| alterego | What logging? | 17:15 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 17:15 |
| ebzzry_ | Suddenly, my conversations are not logged. | 17:16 |
| Turski | ebzzry_: i think i've seen a bug report about that | 17:16 |
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| alterego | interwesting | 17:16 |
| ebzzry_ | When I run the conversations app, my new chats don't appear. | 17:16 |
| ebzzry_ | In some instances, a contact chat window doesn't show the previous messages. | 17:17 |
| ebzzry_ | Just a blank one. | 17:17 |
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| ebzzry_ | Another interesting thing is that microb has stopped working - it won't run. | 17:19 |
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| johnsu01 | kind of strange that the predictive text features don't apply to the virtual keyboard, isn't it? | 17:24 |
| chem|st | ebzzry_: my last skype conversation shows as user "-" | 17:25 |
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| wbs | could anyone who still is running PR 1.2 do me a favour and give the output of "gst-inspect dspmp4venc | grep Version"? | 17:29 |
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| marmoute | gst-inspect: not found | 17:30 |
| marmoute | you're welcome | 17:30 |
| wbs | thanks ;P does gst-inspect-0.10 work better? | 17:31 |
| alterego | wbs: gst-inspect0.10 actually ;) | 17:31 |
| alterego | You need to apt-get install gstreamer-tools | 17:31 |
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| marmoute | nope | 17:34 |
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| wbs | marmoute: ok, could you extract the /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdsp.so instead, and send it somewhere? | 17:48 |
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| GAN900 | johnsu01, Nokia does everything they can to cripple the virtual input with each new release. | 17:50 |
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| alterego | Does glibc defer `delete`? I can't understand why I'm getting a freakin' memory leak from my code :/ | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | alterego, show code | 17:57 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: p | 17:59 |
| alterego | http://pastie.org/1269730 | 18:00 |
| alterego | whoops :) | 18:00 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: I also allocate arrays on m_W[n] obviously :) | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | I see no leak in the code you posted | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | but you have more code, apparently | 18:03 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | delete [] m_W[i]; doesn't make any sense in that loop there | 18:04 |
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| alterego | KaffeeJunky123: why not? | 18:04 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | atleast not with the code you've provided | 18:04 |
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| alterego | KaffeeJunky123: yeah, I'm missing the bit where I alloc arrays into each index of m_W; | 18:04 |
| alterego | That's why the it's in the dtor | 18:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | also | 18:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | without the Complex class, I can't say a thing | 18:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | create a testcase that recreates your exact issue | 18:05 |
| alterego | Complex is: typedef std::complex<double> Complex | 18:05 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | hm | 18:08 |
| * alterego whips out valgrind | 18:08 | |
| alterego | Guess I should get to know this .. | 18:08 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | you're creating an array with the size m_LogPoints +1 | 18:08 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | for(int i = 1; i < m_LogPoints; i++) <-- that loop won't reach the last element | 18:09 |
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| jacekowski | it will | 18:09 |
| alterego | Sorry, changed to <= ;) | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | NO | 18:10 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | hm you're right | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | int array[5]; | 18:10 |
| * alterego has another go. | 18:10 | |
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| jacekowski | array[5]=1234; == segfault | 18:10 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | m_LogPoints+1 is the size of the array <_< | 18:10 |
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| alterego | ;) | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | arrays start from 0 | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | you are starting from 17 | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | 1* | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | that's a first problem | 18:11 |
| alterego | jacekowski: intentional, my algorithm requires it, 0 isn't allocated. | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | so what is the problem anyways? | 18:11 |
| alterego | Ah, seemed to have fixed it :) | 18:12 |
| alterego | KaffeeJunky123: you were right about the i < x; bit, changed to <= | 18:12 |
| fcrochik | Any network experts out there? My n900 refuses to resolve dns when connected to wifi ... I have pr1.3 installed and know that it works for some people | 18:12 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | alterego: maybe, I'm not sure about anything anymore | 18:13 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | 0+1=2? | 18:13 |
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| alterego | ;) | 18:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | jacekowski broke my math just now | 18:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | so i'll settle down, and concentrate | 18:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | bzzz I was right jacekowski was wrong | 18:14 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | -.-' | 18:14 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | got trolled | 18:14 |
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| alterego | Now to test my code works ^.^ | 18:15 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | jacekowski: assume you've got an int array[6]; for(i=0;i<5;i++){dosomething with array[i];} will never reach the last element | 18:16 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | jacekowski: because after i=4 the loop will end, so please don't mess up my basic maths again | 18:16 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:17 |
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| * slonopotamus tries to choose between unlimited 3g @128kbps for $7/mo and @512kbps for $26/mo and fails | 18:22 | |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | lol | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | it's almost linear price growth, so the question is if i really need 512kbps | 18:23 |
| zs | should I update firmware to 1.3 if I have UK model? | 18:23 |
| kerio | slonopotamus: can you even reach 512kbps? | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: dunno. they offer up to 4Mbps | 18:24 |
| kerio | yeah, right | 18:24 |
| slonopotamus | i guess you can, with hsdpa | 18:25 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | totally depends on your provider | 18:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | eplus in germany doesn't have hsdpa at all | 18:26 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | expect for some test villages | 18:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | or something like that | 18:26 |
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| slonopotamus | well, coverage ranges from edge, then umts and to full hsdpa here | 18:26 |
| slonopotamus | according to wikipedia, Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.0 Mbit/s. | 18:27 |
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| slonopotamus | oh, i lied, my operator offers up to 7mbps | 18:27 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | slonopotamus: doesn't mean anything if your provider doesn't support hsdpa | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus | KaffeeJunky123: if it didn't, it couldn't offer 7mbps :) and it does, i see 3.5G on n900 in some places | 18:28 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | slonopotamus: they're writing "up to 7mbps" into their contract | 18:28 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | slonopotamus: that doesn't mean they've to supply it irl | 18:28 |
| nidO | nice that they call it 3g and offer 128kbps though, thats slower than EDGE | 18:29 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | nidO: actually 128kbps is about as fast as EDGE can get ^^ | 18:29 |
| MOUD | Are Maemo Extras and Extras-Devel catalogs offline? | 18:29 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | maybe a little more | 18:29 |
| nidO | edge runs upto 384kbps | 18:29 |
| SwedeMike | yeah, I've seen 140 kilobits/s of TCP thruput on EDGE. | 18:29 |
| slonopotamus | nidO: they call it "unlimited wireless internet" | 18:29 |
| * MohammadAG51 got 7.2MBps in Jordan | 18:29 | |
| KaffeeJunky123 | nidO: that's umts already | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | alterego, sorry, was on the phone, still need help? | 18:30 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | nidO: also you probably mean kbit | 18:30 |
| SwedeMike | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution , edge seems to go up to 1 meg | 18:30 |
| nidO | thats what i said. and so did slonopotamus | 18:30 |
| SwedeMike | "EDGE can carry a bandwidth up to 236.8 kbit/s (with end-to-end latency of less than 150 ms) for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots) in packet mode." | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | nidO: the point is that they have mixed edge/umts/hsdpa coverage and explicitely limit bandwidth to contract you chose | 18:31 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | SwedeMike: put they don't give you 4 timeslots normally | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | whatever, do i need 512kbps or not? :) | 18:31 |
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| * wmarone enjoys his 2.5G data connection -_- | 18:31 | |
| SwedeMike | KaffeeJunky123: yeah, so the edge networks I've seen so far has gone up to approx 140 kilobit/s of tcp thruput | 18:31 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I can get 10gb unlimtied rates for 15€ a month here | 18:32 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | after the 10gb I'll get 64k speed though... | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | 10G 3G? | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil, no, new iPhone 10G | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | it incorporates 3.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3G chips. | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: he meant amount of download | 18:32 |
| nidO | think hes referring to monthly transfer though, not speed. | 18:33 |
| SwedeMike | quite. | 18:33 |
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| * SpeedEvil is stil moderately happy with 1Gbyte/mo for 5 dollars US. | 18:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | (20 UK pounds for 6mo) | 18:33 |
| * crashanddie is still happy for 100% unmetered and unlimited data transfer | 18:33 | |
| nidO | UK providers have been heavily cutting back on the traffic they allow, it's pitifully shit now :< | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: t-mobile pay-as-you-go with 6mo internet booster | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie: that costs $50/mo here :) | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus, 30eur here, so pretty much the same | 18:34 |
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| slonopotamus | meh, stop using euros in international talks :P | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | let's make an internet currently | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | currency even | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | omfg | 18:35 |
| fcrochik | sorry to repeat my question but I ran out of ideas: Please HELP! Any ideas why the n900 can't resolve dns when connected to wifi? | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | I just realised something | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | swatch made an internet time uint (@s), it failed, but meh | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | fcrochik, manual dns? | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie: that's okay, it happens from time to time with everyone | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I would like to purchase this fine package for 2 bits | 18:36 |
| SwedeMike | fcrochik: what diagnosis have you done? looked at resolv.conf ? tcpdump? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | particularly, 8.8.8.8 | 18:36 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, YOU'RE MOHAMMAD OF JORDAN FTW http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Prince-Ghazi-23-12-03.jpg/210px-Prince-Ghazi-23-12-03.jpg | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | fcrochik: have you setup your DNS servers explicitly? | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | i prefer 8.8.4.4 | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | I prefer 1.2.4.8 | 18:36 |
| fcrochik | MohammadAG51, SwedeMike: it is getting the dns from the router...I see it on resolv.conf | 18:36 |
| nidO | 208.67.222.222 fo lyfe | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, why | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie, that's not a public DNS server | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's that* | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, you're in jordan? | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | fcrochik: can you ping the DNS? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | fucking enter key on the N900 | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | keeps getting smaller :p | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, and your name is mohammad? | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | and last name is AG, ahha | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, no, I live in IL | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | so 51 must be the age? | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | or PS, indifferent | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | RX-51 :P | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | you bastard | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | we could've made a celebrity off you | 18:38 |
| * mgedmin wonders how it feels to live in PostScript... does everyone talk backwards? | 18:38 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, I own Rapidshare AG :P | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin, well, they do write from right to left, does that count as backwards? | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | actually they write left to right | 18:39 |
| fcrochik | SpeedEvil, no.. I get network unreachable | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wish i was still 15 | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | hmm, indeed | 18:39 |
| RST38h | they just push operation after the data | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | FILO | 18:39 |
| RST38h | i.e. mgedmin fork stick | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie: LIFO, you wanted to say? | 18:40 |
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| crashanddie | So when they get a "NO PARTS" email from dell, they read "STRAP ON" | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | I understand why they hate the western world. | 18:41 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus, at some point in life, you'll notice that LIFO and FILO are exactly the same. | 18:42 |
| crashanddie | you get screwed, either way. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | in fact you get screwed even when you are not playing the game | 18:42 |
| alterego | w00t, my fft implementation works :D | 18:42 |
| fcrochik | SpeedEvil, I tried to manually add the dns and still the same...I added 8.8.8.8 and still can't ping it | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | you don't need to add 8.8.8.8 as a dns server in order to ping the IP... | 18:43 |
| * slonopotamus yawns | 18:43 | |
| alterego | crashanddie: It works :D | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | congrats :) | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | now make it fast | 18:44 |
| slonopotamus | no | 18:44 |
| slonopotamus | now make it work right | 18:44 |
| slonopotamus | and only then fast | 18:44 |
| alterego | Well, I'm first going to see how it performs against the big boys ;) | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | after all... [puts sunglasses on] It's called "Fast" Fourrier Transforms... [yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh] | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Fast and furrier transforms | 18:46 |
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| fcrochik | SpeedEvil, I don't know if helps but I tried "udhcpc -i wlan0" and I get an error "/etc/udhcpc/default.zerconf.dhcpc: not found" | 18:46 |
| alterego | Actually, I want to port it to C first. | 18:46 |
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| alterego | I want to compile it for DSP ... | 18:46 |
| alterego | And I want an OpenCL implementation :x | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | fcrochik: sorry - no real idea | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | alterego: and what is it written in now? python? :P | 18:47 |
| alterego | C++ | 18:47 |
| fcrochik | SpeedEvil, thanks anyway... this is driving me crazy | 18:47 |
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| alterego | Using QVector from Qt for inbut buffer. | 18:47 |
| alterego | That's easy to change. | 18:47 |
| RST38h | alterego <-- the true programmer! | 18:48 |
| RST38h | alterego: Of course, the real hardcore guy would never use Qt data structures :) | 18:48 |
| alterego | RST38h: well it's because I plan to use it with QtMultimedia for spectral analysis. But, I want the implementation to be plain C and I'll just wrap a Qt class around it. | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Ah | 18:49 |
| alterego | That way I can port the code to DSP, OpenCL etc. | 18:49 |
| MOUD | I installed Extras-Devel from http://repository.maemo.org/ but it's not working. Is it offline? | 18:49 |
| alterego | Easier, but still use it for my target app which is Qt based. | 18:49 |
| RST38h | not port, but implement for, I guess | 18:49 |
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| * RST38h fruitlessly searches for Qt vs STL data structure performance comparison: that should be a real fun to watch | 18:50 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~maemosdk | 18:52 |
| infobot | methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 18:52 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, somehow, methinks the STL might have an edge | 18:59 |
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| mgedmin | crashanddie, it all depends on how you define your performance function | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | I suspect | 19:01 |
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| mgedmin | STL ought to have insanely fast runtime, if you've had insanely good programmers implementing it, and very good ones using it | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | compilation time ... not so much | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | yes, but compilation is less of a burden | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | fast iterations are useful for incremental improvement | 19:03 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | listen to old lispers sing praises to REPL | 19:03 |
| tripzero | mmm | 19:03 |
| * alterego grins | 19:03 | |
| mgedmin | I hate how zope 3 takes several seconds to start up | 19:03 |
| tripzero | git://gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter.git | 19:03 |
| crashanddie | but True Coders (tm) only write code iterations of 500 lines. | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | or restart | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | eew, not in public | 19:04 |
| jacktheripper | does anyone know how MyDocs is mounted at boot ? | 19:04 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: STL has got a huge catch that some people do not understand | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: It's data structures are based on dynamic memory allocation, i.e. they suck at performance when used by an average programmer | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | jacktheripper, probably using mount? | 19:07 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | Its** | 19:07 |
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| jacekowski | RST38h: well allocating memory every two lines of code will suck regardless | 19:07 |
| RST38h | The official response from STL adepts is "But you have to implement your own memory allocation" | 19:07 |
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| jacktheripper | crashanddie, I mean what script does it. | 19:08 |
| jacekowski | syscall and stuff | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | rcS-late | 19:08 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Yes, but when you implement your own data structures, you usually try avoiding it | 19:08 |
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| RST38h | With STL you cannot. | 19:08 |
| jacekowski | you can try to allocate everything at once | 19:09 |
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| RST38h | there are other methods | 19:09 |
| jacekowski | which was the way to go in C89 | 19:09 |
| RST38h | basically when you know how your data behaves, you can choose the right approach | 19:10 |
| jacktheripper | MohammadAG, if you are talking about the genfstab part, I've tweaked /etc/default/mount-opts, and it still boots with default options but with a changed /etc/fstab. | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | unfortunately, STL makes you bend head over heels to do the same | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacktheripper, find /etc -name rcS-late | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 19:11 |
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| jacktheripper | yes, /etc/event.d/rcS-late. I want to change the mount options, so I found a mention of /etc/default/mount-opts. Changed the options and after rebooting fstab is actually different, but the mounting hasn't changed. | 19:12 |
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| jacktheripper | I mean I have to remount MyDocs each time I boot, so that it mounts with the options in fstab, not the default options. | 19:12 |
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| The_Brain | RST38h, The same thing we do every night, Pinky -- try to take over the world! | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | By the way, YESSSS | 19:28 |
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| soltys | hi, is there a way to cleanup rootfs so OTA update will work ? | 19:52 |
| nidO | how much space dyou have | 19:53 |
| soltys | 80 MB | 19:53 |
| nidO | thats more than plenty | 19:53 |
| soltys | and package is sth about 90 MB | 19:53 |
| RST38h | should be enough | 19:54 |
| nidO | if the ota upgrade doesnt work, its because you have an incompatible package. its probably libgles1 used by at least one game you have installed | 19:54 |
| RST38h | move your apt cache away | 19:54 |
| nidO | check details in the upgrade | 19:54 |
| nidO | then remove the offending package | 19:54 |
| nidO | then youll be able to upgrade | 19:54 |
| nidO | or use fapman, which can handle the upgrade regardless of the incompatible packages | 19:54 |
| soltys | ok, will try that | 19:55 |
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| sunkan | I used to run kernel-power from extras-testing with PR1.2 for IPv6 support is it still working on PR1.3 or should I run another kernel-power kernel? | 20:04 |
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| alterego | Where can I get a cross compiler for the dsp in the N900? | 20:09 |
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| roadi | is there a way for backing up the n900 over usb like the dd command? i really need all stored phone numbers. extracting the image would be my problem as a second part. | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | roadi, make a backup, then copy the .zip file over usb | 20:19 |
| alterego | You can export all the contacts | 20:19 |
| alterego | and the backup program on the N900 does it. | 20:20 |
| roadi | i've bricked my device .... but the backup still exists on the device - hrhrhr | 20:20 |
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| alterego | You could boot meego off of a microsd and mount your N900's filesystems and get the files that way. | 20:21 |
| roadi | where can i find such image? | 20:21 |
| roadi | or would it be possible with the default offered images by nokia? | 20:21 |
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| roadi | i've read that this images erase the whole data on my n900 so i dont think this is not my solution for debricking. | 20:22 |
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| alterego | It'll erase all the data off off of your micro sd card | 20:23 |
| alterego | Wont touch the internal N900 data. | 20:24 |
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| alterego | So backup the micro sd first. | 20:24 |
| DrWilken | hi guys. isn't it possible to update meego? tried using yum update but that didn't work... :) | 20:24 |
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| DrWilken | (as root) | 20:24 |
| alterego | DrWilken: wrong chan ;) | 20:24 |
| tripzero | lol | 20:25 |
| roadi | alterego: thx :) | 20:25 |
| DrWilken | you're right :) | 20:25 |
| * mgedmin lurks on meego lists and hears things like "use zypper, yum is deprecated" and "you can't upgrade meego 1.0 to 1.1, reinstall" | 20:25 | |
| alterego | Heh | 20:25 |
| DrWilken | thx mgedmin :) | 20:25 |
| DrWilken | am using 1.1 | 20:25 |
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| DrWilken | gotta reboot... :) | 20:26 |
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| sunkan | Anyone running kernel-power on PR1.3? Can I use the version from extras-testing or do I need the newest in -devel? | 20:29 |
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| zap | Anybody knows why the portmap daemon does not start on N900? I have to run it manually, although there are corresponding links in /etc/rc*.d/ | 20:34 |
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| Skyscraper | hi all | 20:36 |
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| Skyscraper | does anyone know how to connect to an FritzBox VPN with N900? can i do it with vpnc (which i have installed because i need to connect to an cisco vpn sometimes) | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | zap: who uses portmap anymore? | 20:38 |
| Skyscraper | i found http://www.meego.de/forum/howtos/10848-howto-n900-mit-shrew-vpn-und-fritzbox-ueber-umts.html - but the link to the shrew for n900 deb is dead | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | portmap, a funny concept | 20:40 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmm is there another clever way to get the firmware version other than "dpkg -l "mp-fremantle-*" | grep ii" in terminal? | 21:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | ie, dbus/hal etc | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | osso-product-version | 21:04 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmm run that in x-term? | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | osso-product-info even | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' | 21:06 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ooo cool | 21:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks DocScrutinizer51 | 21:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks DocScrutinizer | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also is set for all standard shells as env: | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $OSSO_VERSION | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0 | 21:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! osso-product-info -q OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION | 21:10 |
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| Noobmonk3y | (got that from my own tmo post earlier this year, lol!!!) | 21:10 |
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| ZogG | hey gays | 21:17 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, sup? | 21:17 |
| * RST38h does visual comparison of lurkmore.com and lurkmore.ru | 21:18 | |
| Noobmonk3y | hey | 21:18 |
| RST38h | naah, the .com one can't really compare... | 21:18 |
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| ioan | so, that version of flash circulating around is the real deal? (the 10.1.53.0 one) | 21:19 |
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| ZogG | RST38h is it the same creators? | 21:19 |
| RST38h | no | 21:19 |
| ZogG | which one is copy? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | they are not | 21:20 |
| ZogG | and wichone is better? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | started with the same set of topics, went different paths | 21:20 |
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| RST38h | The .ru one has got much wider scope and the fuck-it-all approach, similar to Encyclopedia Dramatica | 21:21 |
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| ZogG | RST38h russian one is copy, from the begginig, them maybe the paths separated | 21:22 |
| RST38h | The .com one mostly centered on Nchan folklore and mostly serious | 21:22 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Well, not exactly a copy (they covered different boards after all) but close enough | 21:22 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, 2ch is copy of 4chan anyway | 21:26 |
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| Appiah | eeh? | 21:27 |
| Appiah | not the other way? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | ZogG: I am not an expert in various sorts of excrement | 21:27 |
| ZogG | Appiah, rusian 2ch | 21:28 |
| ZogG | russian | 21:28 |
| ZogG | but the source is japan boards | 21:28 |
| RST38h | the idea came from Japanese TV-related discussion forums | 21:28 |
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| Appiah | oh | 21:29 |
| RST38h | "Model is a bunch of shit which includes code which queries the database. Controller is how you interact through your model to retrieve the desired result from your model setting. View is a classic piece of shit of a template system. It'd be easier to just fucking use a regular SQL query and echo it, but no, RAILS MAKES IT EASIER!" | 21:29 |
| RST38h | "RoR is Japanese for LOL" =) | 21:29 |
| GAN900 | Operation temporarily disabled due to memory. | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | I have an unheardof 32MB free. . . . | 21:30 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | That's your problem. | 21:30 |
| RST38h | You don't, your Linux does | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Free space is stored in a 24 bit field. | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil1 | It can never get over 16M | 21:30 |
| RST38h | And it is not asking you what it is gonna do with it | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | How does Nokia do it? | 21:33 |
| GAN900 | Mess things up so well and have absolutely no remorse about leaving you to deal with it. | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | Not sure if it is Nokia to blame in this case | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Or the core Linux stuff | 21:35 |
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| zap | luke-jr: portmap is needed for NFS to work | 21:36 |
| zap | if portmap is not running, mounting a nfs share locks up the process | 21:37 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:39 |
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| zap | 24 bits? where? | 21:40 |
| RST38h | "[Java] is notable (along with Flash) for being one of the few technologies that allows Alan Turing to pwn your browser." | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | Eek: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/Desktop/javase6/splashscreen/ | 21:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | Hi, why have confirmations in apt-get never worked properly in Maemo? | 21:48 |
| RST38h | eh? they do not? | 21:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | Just pressing enter works, but _why_ is it impossible to type "y"/"Y"? | 21:48 |
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| RST38h | I always type y. It works. | 21:48 |
| RST38h | 'n' works too. | 21:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | Then it takes it as a no | 21:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | and it has always done that | 21:48 |
| RST38h | not here, or maybe I am hallucinating | 21:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | for me | 21:49 |
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| FIQ|n900 | apt 0.7.20.2maemo13.1 for armel compiled on Jan 13 2010 16:38:02 | 21:50 |
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| FIQ|n900 | is the version | 21:50 |
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| ioan | off-topic, but... did any of you ever tried Electronic Cigarettes? do they feel like the real deal? I have a friend that's a smoker and I'm thinking of buying a set for him for birthday | 21:52 |
| ioan | :-) | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | ioan, i once tried an electronic cigarette. | 21:54 |
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| GAN900 | ioan, there may be additional health risks involved. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | thing nearly damn killed me when i managed to get it lit | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | i had to use a blowtorch unlike with a normal cig | 21:54 |
| ioan | luck :-)) | 21:54 |
| ioan | GAN900, isn't it just steam with nicotine? | 21:55 |
| GAN900 | ioan, apparently there may be complications with that delivery method. | 21:55 |
| ioan | I'm not saying that is good, but probably is not as bad as real cigarettes | 21:55 |
| * GAN900 searches for a citation. | 21:55 | |
| ioan | oh | 21:55 |
| RST38h | ioan: there was a widely circulated review that found them useless | 21:55 |
| lcuk | ioan, the only positive side is feeling smug at being able to waft it in the air and smoke it in places where cigs arent allowed | 21:55 |
| GAN900 | Or not | 21:55 |
| GAN900 | Operation temporarily disable due to low memory. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | but that just makes you look like a doofus anyway ;) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | ioan: compared them to real cigarettes | 21:56 |
| GAN900 | I think that'll be my new catch phrase. | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, which, you are disabled due to low memory | 21:56 |
| zap | next step will be injecting nicotine directly into the brain | 21:56 |
| GAN900 | "That's what she said!" | 21:57 |
| lcuk | zap, patches | 21:57 |
| * Noobmonk3y needs some geeky help | 21:57 | |
| RST38h | zap: Why do this with nicotine though? | 21:57 |
| ioan | I quit smoking 10 years ago with help from nicorette gum... | 21:57 |
| GAN900 | As with all chemical addictions, past a certain point it's mostly just getting you back to "normal" range. | 21:57 |
| RST38h | zap: When much more potent stuff is available... | 21:57 |
| zap | RST38h: because people wants it | 21:57 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'm assuming i cant dive a string (ie string = string / 1000) , so best to convert to int, then back to string? | 21:57 |
| GAN900 | I hear snorting coke gives a good buzz. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, would love to help, but operation temporarily disabled due to low memory. | 21:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | divide* | 21:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: meh.... | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Noobmonkey <-- is doing something weird | 21:58 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, see, perfect catch phrase. | 21:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | RST38h: ? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, why (a) are you using strings for numerics, (b) expecting to convert a string to int, then divide by 1000 and expect a heathly result | 21:59 |
| lcuk | GAN900, thanks dude, it does work! | 21:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk - read in the available cpu frequencies | 21:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | want to divide by 1000 to make em readble | 21:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | readable* | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Noob: Normally, you are supposed to store ints as ints | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Noob: And only convert them to strings for display | 21:59 |
| lcuk | 1.87ghz! | 22:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | well i've read them in from terminal as strings lol | 22:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | so, they are strings, and that be that! | 22:00 |
| lcuk | atoi() is the c way | 22:00 |
| GAN900 | Screw this | 22:00 |
| * GAN900 reboots. | 22:00 | |
| tripzero | someString.toInt() //FTW | 22:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! | 22:01 |
| * Noobmonk3y cuddles tripzero | 22:01 | |
| lcuk | tripzero, does that work no matter what flavour of string you use? | 22:01 |
| tripzero | QString | 22:02 |
| lcuk | i keep hearing things about how many variations on storing bytes there are | 22:02 |
| Macer | hm | 22:02 |
| tripzero | for std::strings, use stringstream | 22:02 |
| tripzero | int foo; istringstream bar("10"); bar>>foo; | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | Weeee | 22:02 |
| Macer | fm booster crashes in 1.3 | 22:03 |
| Macer | blah | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | blah | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok, maths works fine | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | but now need to chuck int back into a string lol | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | toString doesnt work, butttttttt... | 22:03 |
| tripzero | QString::fromInt() | 22:03 |
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| Noobmonk3y | Qstring(int) might? | 22:03 |
| tripzero | or actually QString::number | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | Qstring(number) worked fine :) | 22:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | omg lcuk! - i need to screenie this! | 22:05 |
| RST38h | He apparently got a number. | 22:05 |
| RST38h | What a guy! | 22:05 |
| lcuk | RST38h, importantly | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: It's displaying the results in chinese! | 22:05 |
| lcuk | he got it without constructing proxy classes or an object model to split the model/view portions up :P | 22:06 |
| RST38h | How do you know it is Chinese? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Maybe it is Norvegian? | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | Lol read in string (all ok) convert to int (All ok), divide by 2 (all ok), add to listwidget(as String) - = Chinese!!!! | 22:06 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, perhaps it has used your data and given you unicode out from within | 22:06 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: One more mention of the MVC and I am starting to quote encyclopedia dramatica at you =) | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | the wikidot stuff was better | 22:07 |
| lcuk | more believable | 22:07 |
| lcuk | scp | 22:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, I know | 22:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just read ED's take on Ruby though, had trouble pulling myself up from the floor | 22:08 |
| lcuk | poor you | 22:08 |
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| BabelO | hi | 22:09 |
| * Noobmonk3y is still giggling loudly at the chinese | 22:09 | |
| lcuk | hi BabelO | 22:09 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, pix | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and Noobmonk3y | 22:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | i think i know why, divided it by 2, not 1k just to test | 22:09 |
| lcuk | why should that matter? | 22:10 |
| BabelO | Can someone tell me if screen rotation is in qt 4.7 on *N900 and i want to remove my old dbus method, is there another way to do screen rotation now ? | 22:10 |
| BabelO | hi lcuk | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | omg, divind by 100 gives something that looks aramaic - and a bumhole looking character | 22:10 |
| lcuk | UNICODE | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | dividing / 1000 | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 22:10 |
| lcuk | the constructur you are using is borkened | 22:10 |
| lcuk | constructor | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 22:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | just showed a mate -> he asked what the bumhole meant | 22:11 |
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| Noobmonk3y | geeeeeeeeeeeeenius | 22:11 |
| * Noobmonk3y is gonna get a pic | 22:11 | |
| nox- | moin | 22:11 |
| lcuk | BabelO, hrm | 22:11 |
| lcuk | assume it should be | 22:11 |
| lcuk | cant remember tho | 22:11 |
| BabelO | lcuk: i did not find any more the WA_Maemo* stuff | 22:12 |
| BabelO | i have made a new package for qlandkarte M and 4.7 and use qt mobility now. | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | BabelO, well, qt4.7 and qt mobility and stuff is geared for cross platform use | 22:12 |
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| Noobmonk3y | Bumhole character! ----> http://www.greg-roberts.com/hcb.png | 22:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | Well technically, Bum.... | 22:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: Explain that Bum lol! | 22:14 |
| kerio | Noobmonk3y: ☞ɷ☜ | 22:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | Bacon in bum language? | 22:15 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEWy25Rd_E | 22:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | horribly wrong thought | 22:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | Well the problem is definitley in ui->listWidget->addItem(QString(mhz)); | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, what datatype is mhz | 22:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | int | 22:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | (and debug says it is the right number, ie the one i want!) | 22:17 |
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| lcuk | print the string first | 22:17 |
| lcuk | to see what it does | 22:17 |
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| Noobmonk3y | trying it :) | 22:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | "?" | 22:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup - bum language | 22:18 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: sorted -> QString text_integer = text_integer.setNum(mhz); | 22:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | ui->listWidget->addItem(text_integer); | 22:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | i lie | 22:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | it segfaulted! | 22:23 |
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| ZogG | here is powerful dneary | 22:36 |
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| dneary | My ZogG | 22:51 |
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| dneary | thp, Ping? | 22:51 |
| ZogG | dneary =) | 22:52 |
| ZogG | dneary there was topic about kinda brainstorm | 22:52 |
| dneary | ZogG, Really? | 22:52 |
| ZogG | about changelog for realses | 22:52 |
| dneary | Where? | 22:52 |
| dneary | On GNOME desktop-devel-list? | 22:53 |
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| ZogG | it should be added to repos as mustto | 22:53 |
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| dneary | ZogG, I've lost you | 22:56 |
| dneary | Who here knows Valgrind well? | 22:56 |
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| dneary | I'd like to use it to profile an application | 22:57 |
| dneary | (leading question) | 22:57 |
| ZogG | dneary on maemo apps, when you update you don't get changelog in app manager | 22:58 |
| dneary | ZogG, And where was the discussion? | 22:58 |
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| ZogG | dneary TMO | 22:58 |
| ZogG | somewhere | 22:58 |
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| javispedro | to get changelog in appmgr you need to set the special X-Maemo field | 23:00 |
| javispedro | whose name I don't remember. | 23:00 |
| ZogG | very funny | 23:00 |
| ZogG | like it's matter what thread | 23:01 |
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| alterego | Hrm .. My FFT implementation doesn't seem to work well on the N900 :/ | 23:01 |
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| javispedro | dneary: I also know valgrind, but only trivially, and enough to say that the arm version was not ready until relatively recently | 23:02 |
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| javispedro | dneary: so you might need to get a recent version, not from sdk. | 23:02 |
| dneary | javispedro, I'm looking for someone who knows Valgrind well enough to explain how to use it to find and fix a memory leak, and to profile an app to find a performance issue | 23:03 |
| * javispedro never used valgrind to profile anything ... :P | 23:03 | |
| javispedro | the hardest part of using valgrind correctly depends on your toolkit, so... | 23:04 |
| javispedro | (because your toolkit might not be freeing stuff when you want it to be freed, and valgrind doesn't know..) | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | heya javispedro | 23:06 |
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| ZogG | http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/geekoptimism.jpg | 23:08 |
| javispedro | hey RST38h | 23:08 |
| alecjw | hi, the media player on my n900 is only indexing my mp3 files and not my vorbis ones. i have ogg-support and extra-decoders installed, and i've tried re-running the configure script for extra-decoders as previously suggested | 23:08 |
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| Appiah | alecjw: did you update to PR1.3? | 23:09 |
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| robtaylor | alterego: maybe you could look at NEON or use Orc to JIT for NEON | 23:09 |
| Appiah | I had to uninstall extra-decoder and ogg-support after upgrade, then install it again. | 23:09 |
| alecjw | Appiah, it started happening after i ran a maemo update if that's what you mean | 23:09 |
| Appiah | yupp | 23:09 |
| alecjw | ah right ok ill try that | 23:09 |
| dfaure | there's a bug in /usr/share/applications/hildon/browser.desktop (package tablet-browser-ui) on the N900, the Exec line is missing %u. Who can fix it / where do I report it? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: learn about datatypes and how to *convert* between them! what you're doing is typecasting (see wikipedia if in doubt) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | alterego, what did you write your fft in? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | 7mhz amigas can process in realtime an fft | 23:10 |
| lcuk | dfaure, what problem does it cause? | 23:11 |
| alterego | lcuk: C++ | 23:11 |
| dneary | alterego, Is fftiw still the fastest Fourier transform in the West? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHA!!! | 23:11 |
| alterego | dneary: no idea :P | 23:11 |
| lcuk | alterego, c++ is not the only thing | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: try Prolog! | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | did you write it as low level array mucking | 23:11 |
| alterego | I don't think madde compiles with vfp .. | 23:11 |
| dfaure | lcuk: it makes kde applications download the URL into a tempfile instead of passing the URL to the 'browser' application | 23:11 |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | or did you put each wavelet into an object and add a whole model/view tree to it! | 23:11 |
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| dneary | http://www.fftw.org/ | 23:11 |
| robtaylor | DocScrutinizer: i hat to write an FFT in prolog when i was at uni | 23:12 |
| alterego | lcuk: haha | 23:12 |
| dfaure | lcuk: this is as the desktop-file-entry-standard says about .desktop files; the exec line needs %u if the application supports urls as command-line arguments | 23:12 |
| lcuk | alterego, whilst going ott to explain and you get the joke, you see why i am serious :P | 23:12 |
| robtaylor | DocScrutinizer: a little mind-bending, but fun | 23:12 |
| lcuk | dfaure, kde applications are failing on maemo? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | robtaylor: and for sure lightning fast | 23:13 |
| lcuk | which kde apps are in the repositories? | 23:13 |
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| alterego | IS there anyway I can check to see if an executable is compiled with vfp? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | kotzcarny has been doing some wicked fft stuff recently | 23:14 |
| dfaure | lcuk: I foud this while testing kdepim-mobile, OK, separate repo. This isn't the point though: if this app supports URLs (I'm not actually sure... testing now....) then it should said %u. Otherwise it shouldn't have the MimeType line it has.... | 23:14 |
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| robtaylor | DocScrutinizer: oh, for sure ;) | 23:14 |
| alterego | Hrm, "Tag_FP_arch: VFPv3" I guess may answer my question. | 23:14 |
| lcuk | dfaure, actual use case problem specifically on maemo? | 23:14 |
| dneary | alterego, Perhaps there's something in the elf header? | 23:14 |
| dfaure | lcuk: none, if you exclude kde apps, I presume... I suppose the maemo launcher happily passes urls to apps, ignoring the spec... | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: if you want decent speed, use longint instead of float! | 23:15 |
| lcuk | robtaylor, can gcc compile prolog still? | 23:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks doc, will do :) | 23:15 |
| alterego | I'm using double .. | 23:15 |
| lcuk | alterego, chunky shifted ints for speed, think like a democoder and not a scientist | 23:15 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: I didn't think it ever did | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: maybe even int32 or int16 | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on accuracy you need | 23:16 |
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| alterego | I don't think accuracy is my main concern right now ^.^ | 23:16 |
| robtaylor | alterego: aka fixed point arithmetic | 23:16 |
| dfaure | lcuk: actually /usr/bin/browser --url=%u is the right syntax, so this .desktop file needs to be splitted in two; one with just Exec and no mimetypes, and one with Exec=browser --url=%u and the mimetypes. | 23:17 |
| dfaure | would have been simpler if that app just took a url on the command line, like every other browser.... | 23:17 |
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| alterego | Okay, I'll try fixed point .. | 23:17 |
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| alecjw | Appiah, that did it. thanks :) | 23:18 |
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| robtaylor | dneary: btw for performance profiileing, use kcachegrind, google will tell you all | 23:18 |
| lcuk | ahhh gprolog.org says that its the gnu prolog compiler. it just never made it into gcc | 23:18 |
| Appiah | alecjw: np! | 23:18 |
| dneary | robtaylor, It's still callgrind under the covers | 23:18 |
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| dneary | robtaylor, Going to Dublin? | 23:18 |
| robtaylor | dneary: kcachegrind is theUI to use. there's no gnoem equivalent. its clunky but useful | 23:19 |
| Appiah | first thing I noticed when updating to PR1.3 , I had about 1100 songs in the media player, after update 990 | 23:19 |
| dneary | robtaylor, Sure | 23:19 |
| robtaylor | dneary: of course. we're sponsoring the breaks on the first day | 23:19 |
| dneary | robtaylor, Will you be in Saturday afternoon? | 23:19 |
| Appiah | figured it was the decoder/oggsupport package needed reinstalling | 23:19 |
| alecjw | Appiah, mine went from about 1000 down to 7 :P | 23:19 |
| Appiah | haha | 23:19 |
| alecjw | i only have 7 songs in proprietary formats | 23:20 |
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| Appiah | kinda sucks there no seek support | 23:20 |
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| alecjw | i keep most of my music library in flac on my server | 23:20 |
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| alecjw | then i have a bash script to convert to medium quality ogg to go on to my n900 | 23:20 |
| lcuk | is that a bondage term? | 23:20 |
| mgedmin | there's a terminal emulator for bondage? | 23:21 |
| alecjw | lcuk, lolwut? | 23:21 |
| robtaylor | dneary: landing sunday night | 23:21 |
| dneary | Bummer | 23:21 |
| alecjw | oh sorry thought you were talking to me | 23:21 |
| dneary | mgedmin, How about you? Around Saturday afternoon? | 23:22 |
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| * mgedmin is not coming | 23:22 | |
| dneary | Bummer | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | yeah ... | 23:22 |
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| alterego | Anyone got a floor I can sleep on? :D | 23:23 |
| * robtaylor -> bed | 23:24 | |
| robtaylor | dneary: see you in dublin :) | 23:24 |
| dneary | robtaylor, Yup | 23:24 |
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| dneary | I will have my runners with me | 23:25 |
| alterego | I think I can get the funds, unfortunately I don't hae anywhere to stay ... | 23:25 |
| dneary | Robot101, Anyone from Collabora getting in early? | 23:25 |
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| alterego | Strange, even with fixed point doesn't seem to be performing much better. | 23:28 |
| alterego | I must be doing something else wrong :/ | 23:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa, after an hour of washing up -> ui->listWidget->addItem(numstring.setNum(mhz)); | 23:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | works! | 23:28 |
| dfaure | Noobmonk3y: that's weird code; don't you mean addItem(QString::number(mhz)) ? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: try to use a sane prog lang, like e.g plain c | 23:28 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was going to port it to plain C anyway. | 23:29 |
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| dfaure | plain C is sane? no comment ;) | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably QintegerArray doesn't work that well ;-P | 23:29 |
| alterego | Not using any Qt structures in the processing, all pre allocated buffers. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | dfaure: I must not tell my true opinion here, not to offend all those cute young people | 23:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:31 |
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| nox- | :) | 23:31 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bbl | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | just so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a sheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/on a /on a pile of/ | 23:34 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: just so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a pile ofsheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug | 23:34 |
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| * nox- hand-assembled z80 as well... were you also using a zx81? :) | 23:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | wasn't available when I did this | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | later yes | 23:39 |
| nox- | ah | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NasCom-1, google for it | 23:40 |
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| nox- | nice :) | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | early model, no microsoft basic yet | 23:44 |
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| Noobmonk3y | dfaure: meh, that way didnt work, mine does :) | 23:44 |
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| dfaure | Noobmonk3y: ok I assume you use numstring elsewhere then. But then I would still split that line in two, for readability. | 23:45 |
| dfaure | you're assigning to numstring -and- adding an item, in the same line. | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | nope, dont use it anywhere else | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | was just getting it to be a string in the additem | 23:46 |
| dfaure | then my line is equivalent to yours | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | but caused my app to segfault -> tried it earlier | 23:46 |
| dfaure | (but removes the need for a qstring variable) | 23:46 |
| dfaure | QString::number segfaults?? I doubt that ;) | 23:46 |
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| Noobmonk3y | well it does | 23:47 |
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| Noobmonk3y | why would i lie? been trying to do that line for a while | 23:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "friggin c++, use sprintf" | 23:48 | |
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| dfaure | Noobmonk3y: I think something else is crashing "randomly", and you're mislead by unrelated changes | 23:51 |
| dfaure | Noobmonk3y: if you can run this app on a linux desktop, run it in valgrind | 23:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | well, add that line, it segfaults, change it to mine it works - i'm new to this entirely, but quite happy to stay clear of segfaults | 23:51 |
| b-man_ | DocScrutinizer, std::cout << "Hello, World\n"; xD | 23:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | sorry dfaure can't :( - very integrated into maemo atm | 23:52 |
| dfaure | Noobmonk3y: of course I meant ui->listWidget->addItem(QString::number(mhz)); | 23:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles gdb | 23:52 | |
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| dfaure | yeah, gdb might help, actually, to see where it crashes, at least | 23:53 |
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| dneary | dfaure, Are you going to be in Dublin, by the way? | 23:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe will try it next time, for now i'm onto my next error :P | 23:53 |
| dfaure | dneary: no | 23:53 |
| dneary | dfaure, Dommage | 23:54 |
| dfaure | I'm not really involved in maemo-related things, just trying to find out where to report a bug in package tablet-browser-ui :) | 23:54 |
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| dneary | Dublin is MeeGo not Maemo :) | 23:54 |
| dfaure | even less involved in meego ;) | 23:55 |
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