| nox- | yeah thats the other option as javispedro said | 00:00 |
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| dreamer | k, I'll do that then ;) | 00:02 |
| dreamer | want my device to be as independent as possible ;) | 00:02 |
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| dreamer | gah -> gtar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No Such file or directory | 00:06 |
| * Noobmonk3y is actually getting somewhere with QT/c++ | 00:06 | |
| Noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooo | 00:07 |
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| alterego | Noobmonk3y: (thumbs up) | 00:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe :) | 00:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | So far (3 days in) i have an autorotating menu with stackablewidgets, and i'm reading in values, with the layouts working correctly! | 00:07 |
| dreamer | ah, bzip2 was not installed .. -doh- | 00:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | next step is to get the threading class working (just to eat the battery lol) - then replicate the value reading in! | 00:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | and by 3 days i mean about 6 hours lol - | 00:08 |
| dreamer | haha | 00:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | Healthcheck V3 due sometime around xmas at this rate! | 00:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol dreamer | 00:08 |
| dreamer | Noobmonk3y: I've been wanting to play with QT/c++ for a while .. just not able to find the time -_- | 00:08 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hehe :) its not quite as bad as i thought, just the learning c++ that is a mind bender! | 00:09 |
| dreamer | finding time is quite a problem here hehe | 00:10 |
| javispedro | pfft. the pre sdl_mixer even has some optimizations for arm/neon. | 00:11 |
| * javispedro grabs, might even package it for maemo native apps. | 00:11 | |
| GAN900 | Nice | 00:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol know the feeling, been 3/4 months since i last updated healthcheck, so finally got of my ass. The GF has started sign language, so at least 1 day a week i have 3 or so hours spare :) | 00:11 |
| GAN900 | Pre 2 is purty. | 00:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | GAN900: wash your mouth out lol | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | I've always said it has been like, my "second option" after Maemo. | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | it's the most Maemo-like by a large, large margin. | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | (well, save for Openmoko and the like) | 00:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe | 00:13 |
| BCMM | anyone else occasionally find their n900 won't turn on? | 00:13 |
| BCMM | and is there a better way to fix it then popping the battery out for a moment? | 00:13 |
| javispedro | BCMM: curiously enough, this morning. | 00:13 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ooo interesting not had that yet :| | 00:14 |
| javispedro | BCMM: I also fixed it that way. I think I left it with a NFS mount, entered a reboot loop, and emptied the battery. was your battery empty? | 00:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | was just telling mo, next april is when i get a new device, so a while to go :P | 00:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | still loving the n900 :) | 00:14 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: the device itself has a lot of problems -- slow, capacitive, lo res screen, ... | 00:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | the n900? lol | 00:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | thank god i aint that geeky, mines been fine :) | 00:15 |
| javispedro | no =) the Pre. | 00:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh! | 00:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 00:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | or the pre 2? | 00:16 |
| javispedro | dunno, I've only tried 1. | 00:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol pre2 not out yet though isnt it? its the new model to come? | 00:16 |
| javispedro | I think it's out already. | 00:16 |
| BCMM | javispedro: nope | 00:16 |
| javispedro | :P | 00:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html#tab4 | 00:17 |
| BCMM | javispedro: it just does that occasionally | 00:17 |
| BCMM | i vaguely suspect that trying to turn it on while plugging it into a charger might do it | 00:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | actually - http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html#tab2 | 00:17 |
| BCMM | but i'm not sure | 00:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | still not that great i agree | 00:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | will stick with a more powered device i feel | 00:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | BCMM: yeah i've had that before, if you try to do it too quickly, seems to be an order needed at times, but then i just unplug, wait 2 seconds and turn on | 00:18 |
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| javispedro | BCMM: mine does it around 2 o 3 times a year. | 00:19 |
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| dreamer | so, I'm trying FF4 beta, but it doesn't find the flashplayer. anyone know how I can enable this? | 00:28 |
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| nox- | last i tried ff4 on maemo they still had plugins disabled (video was too jerky), so unless they fixed that now... | 00:39 |
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| Noobmonk3y | how do i call a function from another class/file in c++? | 00:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh my fault | 00:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol ignore me | 00:42 |
| dreamer | nox-: yeah, finally found a thread on it .. it's still very much beta I guess, but they say youtube should work (but the suggested youtube-enabler is not available) | 00:42 |
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| dreamer | but, the features in FF4 are much MUCH nicer then fennec I must say | 00:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh time for bed i feel! | 00:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | nit alls | 00:43 |
| dreamer | except I can't circle-zoom ;) | 00:43 |
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| dreamer | yeah, here too | 00:43 |
| dreamer | nn | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | http://slashdot.org/story/10/10/20/1958209/UK-To-Track-All-Browsing-Email-and-Phone-Calls "The UK government plans to introduce legislation that will allow the police to track every phone call, email, text message and website visit made by the public. The information will include who is contacting whom, when and where and which websites are visited, but not the content of the conversations or messages. Every communications provider will be req | 00:56 |
| wmarone | yes, we can read slashdot too | 00:56 |
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| pupnik | notice to UK residents... | 00:57 |
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| wmarone | oh and you had to go poo across both meego channels too... | 00:58 |
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| nox- | .oO(so if `1984' wasnt true yet it soon will be... ): | 01:00 |
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| * oshin prays 1.3 fixed #10747 | 01:02 | |
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| kerio | pupnik: England prevails! | 01:03 |
| javispedro | ave imperator! | 01:03 |
| pupnik | this isn't productive use of resources or human time | 01:04 |
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| Scelt | bug 10747 | 01:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747 Corrupted Thai text in conversation input box when using backspace. | 01:09 |
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| oshin | Scelt, can produce that for me if you have leaked 1.3? | 01:12 |
| Scelt | don have | 01:12 |
| oshin | ok, thanks. | 01:12 |
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| andre__ | oshin: "Status: NEW" in that bug report is quite clear compared to "RESOLVED FIXED", isn't it? | 01:20 |
| oshin | andre__, it was close source and I wonder if the bug was handled internally | 01:21 |
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| oshin | as if it weren't i would have fixed it already. | 01:22 |
| andre__ | oshin, if there was any internal feedback I would have forwarded it to bugs.maemo.org. There wasn't. :-( | 01:22 |
| oshin | :/ | 01:22 |
| andre__ | Nokia, master of silence. | 01:22 |
| oshin | X( | 01:22 |
| oshin | it wasn't broken in 1.1 | 01:23 |
| oshin | may be i could flash back and copy the conversation | 01:23 |
| oshin | can i disable smiley in conversations ? | 01:25 |
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| oshin | found, wouldn't help | 01:27 |
| oshin | I wonder if I could do something around /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html | 01:29 |
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| oshin | anyone has the content of that dir from PR 1.1? | 01:33 |
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| * GAN900 boggles at Mac App store. | 01:39 | |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 01:39 | |
| GAN900 | And so begins the commoditization of OS X software. | 01:39 |
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| nox- | ..and soon osx needs to be `jailbroken' too? | 01:39 |
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| GAN900 | nox-, Apple Computer, Inc. -> Apple, Inc. was an evil change. | 01:41 |
| GAN900 | What's Canonical's cut on the Ubuntu Store? | 01:42 |
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| * rtyler points to /topic | 01:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | oshin: | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/ | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1920 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.css | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5627 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.html | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24642 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3203 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.css | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2494 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.html | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27731 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.js | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3090 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.css | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2768 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.html | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10184 Dec 8 2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.js | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, this looks quite like spamming now... sorry | 01:51 |
| oshin | cool | 01:51 |
| oshin | can I have that? | 01:51 |
| oshin | you didn't upgrade? | 01:51 |
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| oshin | would you tar zcvf /home/user/MyDocs/sendme.tgz /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui | mail object@gmail.com ? | 01:52 |
| oshin | er wonder if can pass binary just like that heh | 01:53 |
| oshin | mmencode! | 01:53 |
| nox- | or mime attach... | 01:54 |
| oshin | X) | 01:55 |
| oshin | well, just no need to create the tgz i copied that from another window and forgot to remove | 01:56 |
| oshin | (btw) | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oshin: pm | 02:04 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, thanks. | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I hope my pastebomb hasn't nuked the channel permanently :-) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bark | 02:45 |
| * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. | 02:45 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | what did you do? | 02:47 |
| ieatlint | you've scarred us all with your css javascript mess | 02:47 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at stupid t-mobile. | 02:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | I was trying to debug my pppd - when I realised it wouldn't connect normally. | 02:48 |
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| oshin | :) | 02:50 |
| pupnik | it would be so convenient if my laptop had a decent fm transmitter | 02:51 |
| pupnik | i bought an external one but it sucks | 02:51 |
| jpinx-eeepc | anyone know why my n900 has decided it doesn't want to mount my fs.image? mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /home/user/MyDocs/chrootmountpoint/ failed: Invalid argument | 02:54 |
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| _chun | Is there any way to take a picture with the camera via the terminal in maemo5? | 03:08 |
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| ds3 | gstreamer? | 03:12 |
| oshin | thinking of some small app which launch camera and send xevent for the shutter key | 03:13 |
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| oshin | or just hack fcamera a bit? | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | http://pandaboard.org/ wheeeee omap4 dev board now shipping - $179 | 03:18 |
| ds3 | now go try to buy silicon ;) | 03:20 |
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| * SpeedEvil is pondering buying a kilo of silicon. | 03:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/360-Watts-Mono-Solar-Cells-6x6-Broken-1KG-1-2-cells-/200520270540?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eaff082cc | 03:27 |
| pupnik | ttp://blog.adl.pl/android-makes-me-cry/539 "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..." | 03:29 |
| pupnik | http://blog.adl.pl/android-makes-me-cry/539 "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..." | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yeah, wasn't nice to just annoy you with a ls, while keeping the content for myself | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a minute, I'll paste the full plain text content | 03:32 |
| oshin | something's wrong with the matrix | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: what are you wanting to do? | 03:33 |
| oshin | i saw pupnik deja-vu | 03:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to get full syslog working in maemo -- like debians /var/log/syslog to make debugging easier/possible? | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | apt-get install syslogd | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | buyt it's a bit broken | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to killall -HUP syslogd to get it to write it in /home/user/var/log/syslog | 03:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: :( I'll give it a whirl - when do I do that killall - every reboot? | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I cheat. | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I stick it in a 'queen beecon' - that is on the desktop | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It does mount /home/user/data - a large ext2 and other stuff | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a right way to do this, but I can't be bothered screwing with /etc/ | 03:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ? | 03:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | is it documented anywhere? | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 03:38 |
| oshin | should I install some boot menu? | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: ? | 03:39 |
| oshin | hmm we have had this conversation. | 03:39 |
| oshin | SpeedEvil, like if my system went into a boot loop, may be some boot menu can help | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Queen_BeeCon_Widget | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno about that. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I just avoided screwing with it, as the queen beecon runs on desktop coming up. | 03:40 |
| pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Orange-San-Francisco-ZTE-Blade-Android-New-Unlocked-NEW-/180571953882?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2a0aed5ada#ht_500wt_1156 128 GBP! 800x480 etc | 03:40 |
| oshin | well for any possible accident | 03:41 |
| oshin | i should just backup | 03:41 |
| ieatlint | who named that the "san francisco"? | 03:42 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:43 |
| pupnik | that says some scary things about price competition nokia faces in 2011 | 03:43 |
| * oshin goes backup | 03:43 | |
| ieatlint | it wouldn't exactly work too well in san francisco without any 3g support :P | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: yes. | 03:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | However - ebay is not a source of pricing. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | As you can't tell what channels things are coming from. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you order 10 at that price | 03:45 |
| pupnik | i think the price direct from orange was 150 | 03:45 |
| nox- | that with a contract tho? | 03:46 |
| pupnik | no, unlocked | 03:46 |
| nox- | oh | 03:46 |
| pupnik | oh from orange | 03:46 |
| nox- | yeah | 03:46 |
| * jpinx-eeepc installed queen bee widget thingie ;) | 03:46 | |
| pupnik | locked from orange but codes are cheap | 03:46 |
| nox- | i germany the police is going after phone unlocking `services' now... o_O | 03:47 |
| nox- | (as if they dont have more important things to do) | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems my pr1.1 syslog works flawlessly logging to /var/log/syslog | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno about pr1.2, had to check, mompls | 03:48 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: do tell ? :) | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, need to force it into my wlan :-P | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Here I think it tries to log to /home/user before it's mounted | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, last log is from Oct 12, and logger test does nuttin | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | in /var/log/syslog | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 03:52 |
| nox- | need to SIGHUP? | 03:52 |
| oshin | my head spin, bb | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but I definitely never did, and sighup would change log to /home/var/blah/blub/foo/syslog, according to SpeedEvil - my last logline from 2010-10-12 is in /var/log/syslog though | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno why | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess it must be an older version of syslog? | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sighup WHAT? | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | killall -HUP syslogd | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, it's not started XP | 03:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer larts upstart | 03:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't do anything other than apt-get install syslogd | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I can't find sys* in init.d/ | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's your startscript called? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is that an upstart event script? | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know. | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't done anything. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# find /etc/init.d /etc/event.d/ -name '*sys*' -o -name '*sys*' | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | who made /var/log/syslog for me? | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ls -l /etc/event.d/sysklogd | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 419 Aug 17 2009 /etc/event.d/sysklogd | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat installed-aps.sh | grep syslog ; suggests I never installed syslog on the new one | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks, and sorry for pestering | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 19056 root 1620 S /sbin/syslogd -n ; 19137 root 2820 S /sbin/klogd -n ; :-D much better | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Oct 12 01:15:27 IroN900 cellmo-watch[894]: Link UP: MCU-SW Ver: V ICPR82_10w08, 25-02-10, RX-51, (c) Nokia | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Oct 21 03:02:49 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart. | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Oct 21 03:02:50 IroN900 kernel: klogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5, log source = /proc/kmsg started. | 04:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | nok - I installed syslogd, mkdir /home/user/var/log . did killall _HUP syslogd, and went to do /etc/init.d/syslogd - but it's not there. What to do? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | still /var/log/sayslog | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: I did apt-get nstall syslogd, no starting, no nothing | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | logs to /var/log/syslog here | 04:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ah - let me look thre | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /var/log/syslog | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubi0:rootfs 228M 146M 79M 65% / | 04:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yep - it's there - thanks guys | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure you didn't edit your syslog.conf ? | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 99.99% | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1278 2009-08-17 12:02 /etc/syslog.conf | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# md5sum /etc/syslog.conf | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | 6f616f9a94030b05c84814128c4bbd1e /etc/syslog.conf | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | prhaps | 04:10 |
| pupnik | have you seen/read much of Bada OS? (samsung) - it's like zero community in english speaking realm or what | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I know I edeted it, I diddn't think I moved it. | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's "a hickup" </quote raster> | 04:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Actually - I probably did. | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | As syslog is on / | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorrry for the confusion. | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, happy to help make it clear | 04:12 |
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| pupnik | "The Wave S8500′s much-hyped 720p HD video recording is great, until the camera app locks up and demands the battery be pulled before you can use the phone again." | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably pkg syslog should depend on pkg logrotate | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: hrhr | 04:14 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, my stylus - it has a notch running the entire length of it now | 04:15 |
| lcuk | but it inserts/removes itself easier :) | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: wow, what a hack | 04:17 |
| lcuk | heh | 04:17 |
| lcuk | lateral thinking ;) | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it even feels better now to hold the stylus | 04:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer pokes with stylus in N900, trying to catch that spring | 04:20 | |
| lcuk | heh | 04:20 |
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| * GAN900 groans | 05:06 | |
| GAN900 | Good food, good wine. | 05:06 |
| ieatlint | i want some | 05:07 |
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| GAN900 | ieatlint, if only we had replicators. | 05:08 |
| * GAN900 torrents a new Macbook air. | 05:08 | |
| ieatlint | well, i do have a car and a grocery store | 05:09 |
| ieatlint | but that would involve me putting on pants | 05:10 |
| * SpeedEvil has about 3 months food, before it gets boring. | 05:11 | |
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| javispedro | wow | 05:13 |
| javispedro | this sims game looks beatiful in 800x480 =) | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there in principle a way to legitimately buy it without using another device? | 05:15 |
| javispedro | none that I know of. | 05:15 |
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| javispedro | ... in fact you could argue there's no legitimate way to even extract the binaries from the device ... | 05:16 |
| javispedro | depending on your legislation. | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: how did you rotate/stretch? | 05:17 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: hacking glLoadIdentity to return .. not the identity matrix =) | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | awesome | 05:18 |
| javispedro | it causes some artifacts, though, so I guess I should render at native and rescale, but at least i can see how it would look if someone started doing real commercial stuff for N900 | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | start a business | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | What does the 'emulator' stack look like? | 05:19 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you mean, a general overview of used/patched components? | 05:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:20 |
| javispedro | it is not an emulator at all -- binaries are run as is, with the stock dynamic loader | 05:20 |
| javispedro | there's just like 11 stub libraries | 05:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - why I put the quotes in. | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 05:21 |
| javispedro | most of which would not actually be needed if this one binary had been built --as-needed | 05:21 |
| nox- | that sounds like some `hacking' job :) | 05:21 |
| javispedro | a big mess of an LD_PRELOAD hack which I'm trying to clean | 05:21 |
| nox- | what was the binary for orgininally? | 05:21 |
| javispedro | and the WebOS' own version of SDL_mixer | 05:21 |
| rokr1 | hey is the bug for dns resolution solved | 05:21 |
| javispedro | (compiled frm source) | 05:21 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | palm pre | 05:21 |
| nox- | bbl | 05:22 |
| rokr1 | or is there any work around for dns resolution? | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | WRT what? | 05:22 |
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| rokr1 | hey is the BUG#995 DNS resolution ignores local domain resloved ?? | 05:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=995 DNS resolution ignores local domain | 05:33 |
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| rokr1 | any solutions | 05:33 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 05:33 |
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| cehteh | iirc works for me at least on the n900, does the n770 use this dnsmasq proxy too? | 05:35 |
| cehteh | you have to tweak the config a little then | 05:35 |
| cehteh | (and no, i didnt read the whole discussion on that bug) | 05:35 |
| rokr1 | can u help me with that | 05:35 |
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| rokr1 | /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 05:36 |
| cehteh | read the dnsmasq manpage.. well first check that the n770 uses that actually | 05:36 |
| rokr1 | and /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 | 05:37 |
| rokr1 | i have N900 | 05:37 |
| rokr1 | then i have to write a script when wlan0 or gprs0 or tap0 is up | 05:38 |
| cehteh | see comment #3 | 05:39 |
| rokr1 | then replace 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf to nameserver 192.168.x.x | 05:39 |
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| rokr1 | i dont have a domain name | 05:40 |
| cehteh | actually thats what i've changed :) | 05:40 |
| rokr1 | i have tomato | 05:40 |
| rokr1 | firmware | 05:40 |
| cehteh | eh so whats your proble then? the bug talks about that probelm | 05:40 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 07:03 |
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| orospakr | what's the story on getting evince (or a similar PDF reader that is better than the very limited Osso one) running? at first glance it appears to be only in extras-devel for freemantle, which seems a little hairy to install (quite a lot of dependencies at first glance). | 07:06 |
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| TermanaN900 | orospakr, how is 4mb for the download and 10mb for the storage of the dependencies for evince really that big of a deal? | 07:10 |
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| orospakr | TermanaN900, oh, just worried about replacing too much of the stable stuff. I only looked at the deps briefly (also tried loading the debs directly with dpkg), didn't actually get a package upgrade proposal out of apt. | 07:11 |
| orospakr | Is that known to work without making too much of a mess? | 07:11 |
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| TermanaN900 | orospakr, should only install some new packages, it doesn't want to upgrade any existing ones for me | 07:14 |
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| orospakr | TermanaN900, hm, so, I've done so, and the result is: http://pastie.org/1237316 | 07:35 |
| orospakr | wait, actually. | 07:35 |
| orospakr | I might have mucked up the repository settings. I let application manager UI do the updates, and it didn't warn me of 404 errors. | 07:35 |
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| orospakr | yup, that was it. here goes. | 07:40 |
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| pupnik | omap4 dev boards shipping in mid-november | 07:57 |
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| peb | hi folks .. | 09:21 |
| peb | what's the official name for the USB port on the N900? Micro USB? | 09:22 |
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| johnx | yeah | 09:23 |
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| peb | thanks johnx, I've just lost my USB cable and need now to buy a bunch of new ones :-( | 09:24 |
| johnx | yup. all you should need to know is micro usb | 09:25 |
| Appiah | micro b | 09:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ebay. You can get them for $1 or so | 09:29 |
| asj | if you use it for charging thought... | 09:29 |
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| peb | Charging + Data transfer ... I need 2 for the cars, one for the bag and one at home ... I'll check eBay for reasonable offers.. Thanks so far! | 09:30 |
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| Appiah | "Nokia Connectivity Cable CA-101" is the name of the cable you get with the n900 | 09:30 |
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| Appiah | I tried to order some from dealextreme but I've been waiting for 3 months now :D | 09:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ouch | 09:31 |
| ieatlint | i don't recall the n900 including a microusb cable | 09:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | It does | 09:32 |
| raster | i do | 09:32 |
| ieatlint | hmm... | 09:32 |
| raster | good thing that | 09:32 |
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| Appiah | didnt you get a usb cable with your n900 ieatlint ? | 09:32 |
| ieatlint | i must be wrong then | 09:32 |
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| raster | otherwise i'd have a hard time charging it unless i insisted on using the damned wallcharger all the time :) | 09:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Note: if you try to use a micro-usb cable with an ipod or other non-standard charger, you have to short the middle-two pins together | 09:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or, slice the cable open and solder/connect the white/green wires. Red and black are your power | 09:33 |
| ieatlint | i don't recall it coming with one at all, but it's more likely i'm wrong than my box was missing one it seems | 09:33 |
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| Appiah | thought apple had their own strange interface , not micro-usb | 09:34 |
| Appiah | but then again , I never owned a apple product | 09:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | No, I mean the charging bricks that have a USB port on them | 09:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | you use your Apple connector > usb cable with it | 09:34 |
| raster | apple always loved custom connectors | 09:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Fortunately, Nokia -doesn't- | 09:35 |
| * raster gives nokia a little pat | 09:36 | |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 09:36 |
| raster | (o)v(o) | 09:38 |
| TermanaN900 | raster, they need all the pats they can get | 09:39 |
| raster | well with all the hate @ symbian | 09:40 |
| raster | and doom and gloom talk | 09:40 |
| raster | i think so | 09:40 |
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| raster | tho nokia didnt handle the maemo -> meego transition as well as it should have | 09:40 |
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| Appiah | raster: really? what happend? | 09:41 |
| Myrtti | debatable | 09:41 |
| raster | well meego got a nice big splash | 09:41 |
| johnx | and yet, they've handled it better than just about any other purveyor of mobile linux devices | 09:41 |
| raster | but the image was that maemo was abandoned | 09:41 |
| raster | and left to fend for itself | 09:41 |
| Appiah | whos image ? | 09:41 |
| raster | all things are relative | 09:41 |
| raster | Appiah: nokia's | 09:42 |
| raster | sure | 09:42 |
| raster | they have since cleared it up | 09:42 |
| Appiah | so nokias image was that maemo was abandoned? | 09:42 |
| raster | yes | 09:42 |
| Appiah | funny | 09:42 |
| raster | enough people asked | 09:42 |
| raster | "so what about my n900 i just bought? what about maemo? now youa re doing a new linux os that is built on a different packager, different core, etc. etc.?" | 09:43 |
| raster | with no answer for quite a while as i recall | 09:43 |
| raster | i heard that one asked or questions to that effect a fair bit | 09:43 |
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| rmrfchik | there are a lot of answers on t.m.o... like "shut up, see fig.1" | 09:44 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 09:44 |
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| raster | as i said | 09:46 |
| raster | wasnt handled as well as it should have been :) | 09:46 |
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| johnx | I'll give them a B rating for this transition | 09:46 |
| raster | if it was, then there wouldnt have been an obvious "yes we will transition maemo to meego and support the product we just released with os releases and updates moving it along to meego" | 09:47 |
| johnx | waaay up from the C- rating for the N8x0 to N900 transition | 09:47 |
| raster | last i recall the word was "n900 is nto supported for meego" | 09:47 |
| raster | not officially | 09:47 |
| Appiah | can you name a transition you gave A+ ? | 09:47 |
| raster | its simply the dev platform for meego (unofficial support) | 09:47 |
| johnx | Appiah, from a purveyor of mobile Linux devices? no | 09:47 |
| raster | unless that changed? | 09:47 |
| rmrfchik | raster: I heard this is because of some kind of release politic. No announces, No comments | 09:47 |
| raster | rmrfchik: yeah. thats just all i'm saying | 09:48 |
| raster | it left a bit of a hole | 09:48 |
| raster | i know why they do it | 09:48 |
| raster | nothing new industry-wise | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | raster: as in that you can't call nokia care, but resources are being paid for | 09:48 |
| johnx | Appiah, actually, N800 to N810 transition was an A- or A | 09:49 |
| raster | Stskeeps: the picture is clearer now - but at the time no one even knew that therw would be ANY resources | 09:49 |
| raster | (at the time meego was announced) | 09:49 |
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| johnx | releasing for the N800 as soon as it was available at all would have gotten them the coveted A+ | 09:49 |
| Appiah | johnx: but that was till maemo -> maemo ? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | raster: i can't recall when n900 was marked as a reference device though | 09:49 |
| rmrfchik | well, I can't say picture is clear now | 09:50 |
| raster | Stskeeps: and i'd say still "not handled as well as it should have been" because "as well as it should have been" would have been full meego support for the n900 (nokia care and all) :) | 09:50 |
| johnx | Appiah, yeah. they handled the easy, no-op transition without too much problem :) | 09:50 |
| Appiah | :D | 09:50 |
| rmrfchik | meego on n900 is still under question as nokia said "multiboot is only for developers" | 09:50 |
| raster | Stskeeps: i rememebr hearing about it a while after the meego announce | 09:50 |
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| raster | just saying | 09:51 |
| raster | it could have been handled better | 09:51 |
| raster | :) | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: well, a regular consumer wouldn't want to flash u-boot.. | 09:51 |
| raster | something to learn from i guess | 09:51 |
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| rmrfchik | Stskeeps: customers of n900 aren't regular ;) | 09:51 |
| ebzzry | Hi! What's the URL containing information on how to add the Fremantle SDK repo? | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | they all are geeks and freaks | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | raster: i'm maintainer of the nokia n900 hardware adaptation now and i can only say that a large bunch of resources are going into the n900 effort :) | 09:52 |
| johnx | Appiah, don't you want to hear who got an F? | 09:53 |
| Appiah | oooh please tell! | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: Mer to MeeGo? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 09:53 |
| mece | MohammadAG51, ping | 09:53 |
| raster | Stskeeps: i don't doubt you :) it could 1. have been made clear onthe day of the meego announce that this was going to happen, and 2. full support - not just "resources" would be better. :) | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | raster: i'm happy i don't have to go through bluetooth certification or other wtfs. | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | so in that regard, productization is good it's not happening | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | it would delay the effort immensely | 09:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, Sharp for closing down the SL-5x00 forums in the USA without telling anyone, right around when they launched the Cxx0 series in Japan | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: heh | 09:54 |
| johnx | hype about new series, questions about device transition -> forum closed with no warning | 09:55 |
| raster | Stskeeps: sure. shortcut there :) | 09:55 |
| raster | johnx: thats definitely not good (tm) | 09:56 |
| johnx | Sharp was so (*#$ing bad at that stuff | 09:56 |
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| johnx | they had miles and miles of goodwill, a dedicated community with a good amount of devs, and they just kept making bad decision after bad decision | 09:57 |
| raster | indeed | 09:59 |
| raster | the zaurus just died a horrible death outside japan about then | 09:59 |
| raster | and eventually in japan too | 09:59 |
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| peb | Raster, I also have a C3200 still around here @my Desk ... | 10:01 |
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| johnx | and yet, they started out with Qt, which is where we're headed back to :) | 10:02 |
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| raster | peb: i had an c400.. until i moved to korea. it finally hit the dumpster then | 10:06 |
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| TermanaN900 | The Zaurus CL-3200 (and the other two models that are the same) - the one and only BSD handheld | 10:08 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 10:08 |
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| TermanaN900 | err, open bsd handheld I should say I guess | 10:09 |
| johnx | I was interested, but they didn't get boot from SD working for a long time (ever?) and I have a C1000 ... | 10:09 |
| johnx | at least there isn't quite the same amount of distro fragmentation with Nokia's hardware vs Sharp's | 10:10 |
| johnx | I take that as a hugely good sign | 10:10 |
| TermanaN900 | Since there was the sidekick 09 model and XNU has a little bit of BSD in it for networking and file systems and some other things | 10:10 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, well I don't know how bad it is for sharp's but we have some distro fragmentation | 10:11 |
| johnx | TermanaN900, we have nothing in comparison | 10:11 |
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| TermanaN900 | johnx, Maemo, MeeGo, Gentoo, Debian | 10:11 |
| johnx | how many people are using alternative distros as their primary OS? less than 5%? | 10:12 |
| TermanaN900 | NITdroid? But that's not really a linux distro | 10:12 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 10:12 |
| johnx | People using MeeGo is what we *want* :P | 10:12 |
| johnx | so it doesn't count | 10:12 |
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| TermanaN900 | johnx, heh :p | 10:12 |
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| johnx | there were maybe 3 or 4 fairly widely used non-package compatible 'ROMs' for the Zaurus at the worst | 10:13 |
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| johnx | with some ROMs being available for some devices and not others | 10:13 |
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| johnx | and *that* is why I thought long and hard before pushing ahead with the debian-for-NIT, and then Mer | 10:14 |
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| johnx | on the N900, the alternate distros are really more like an outlet for people's hacking energy than competition with Maemo | 10:15 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, oh I forgot Ubuntu | 10:16 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, but I disagree with that | 10:16 |
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| hahlo | how well debian works in n900? can one make calls? what about battery life? | 10:16 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, and SHR | 10:17 |
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| johnx | hahlo, kinda, no and not so good, IIRC | 10:17 |
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| johnx | I worked on Debian for the N800, not the N900 | 10:17 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, people using MeeGo (really none at the moment full time), Gentoo and SHR are using it as a maemo competitor | 10:17 |
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| johnx | TermanaN900, Gentoo users don't count | 10:17 |
| TermanaN900 | lol | 10:17 |
| hahlo | ok | 10:18 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, nasty :p | 10:18 |
| johnx | they're already predisposed to not like nice comfy GUI environments | 10:18 |
| johnx | that's why I said it's a healthy outlet | 10:18 |
| johnx | they *want* to be at the command line, hacking things, tweaking other things | 10:18 |
| hahlo | debian is active developed for n900? | 10:19 |
| johnx | that was almost certainly their intention when they bought this thing in the first place | 10:19 |
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| TermanaN900 | hahlo, what is actively developed? Everything works in Debian now | 10:20 |
| johnx | seriously, power savings and phone calls even? | 10:21 |
| * johnx is not with the times it seems | 10:21 | |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, phone calls will. power savings should as well, but i don't think with the lock switch | 10:21 |
| TermanaN900 | you have to wait for X to timeout the display | 10:22 |
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| peb | TermanaN900, where's debian4N900 -- do you have the URL handy for me? I'd like to take a look ... | 10:23 |
| RST38h | moo johnx | 10:23 |
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| TermanaN900 | peb, https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html | 10:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: you must have a PIN-less SIM card for now (phone stuff in Meego) | 10:24 |
| TermanaN900 | GSM is incorrectly marked not working | 10:24 |
| rmrfchik | who said zaurus? | 10:24 |
| TermanaN900 | All you need to do is build the latest version of ofono and use that | 10:24 |
| rmrfchik | zaurus FTW! :) | 10:24 |
| johnx | rmrfchik, me. :D wouldn't an SL-5500 phone be awesome? | 10:25 |
| johnx | TermanaN900, I must say I'm impressed. I didn't except it to get this far actually ... | 10:25 |
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| ebzzry | How I can I see what packages are available in the fremantle/sdk repository? | 10:25 |
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| * rmrfchik used 860 | 10:25 | |
| johnx | ah, I had a C1000 as well | 10:25 |
| johnx | somehow I kinda liked the SL-5500 better for a couple things | 10:26 |
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| ds3 | I wish the SL-6000 was more available | 10:33 |
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| johnx | I wish for a pony, and a rocket and an SL-5500 with a 800x480 screen and an OMAP4 and a GSM modem, and a nice beefy battery | 10:35 |
| johnx | I'd be willing to lose the stylus silo and CF slot in return | 10:35 |
| RST38h | ...and all you are gonna get is a MacBook Air? | 10:35 |
| TermanaN900 | RST38h, don't wish that on anyone | 10:35 |
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| johnx | RST38h, I guess I could get work to get me one next year :/ | 10:36 |
| johnx | meh | 10:36 |
| johnx | current white macbook is holding up well enough | 10:36 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
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| X-Fade | Morning Jaffa. | 10:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: hmm? netsplits? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | what was it that's driving the keyboard backlight again? | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mce | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | i mean kernel driver | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | / device | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer and Stskeeps: and old one, but still good to read: http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/powradio.html | 11:01 |
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| sejo | is this the correct image to flash my n900? RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:05 |
| sejo | Live in Europe | 11:05 |
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| nidO | yep | 11:07 |
| sejo | thx | 11:07 |
| jacekowski | sejo: any specific country? | 11:08 |
| sejo | Belgium | 11:11 |
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| crashanddie | hahaha, belgium. | 11:12 |
| sejo | If i backup to the ext card... are my sms's pictures etc included? | 11:12 |
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| sejo | crashanddie: I like it here :p | 11:12 |
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| sejo | best beer | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | meh | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | how are you enjoying your government? Do you have one? | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | FYI: I have a belgian passport, I just think the country is bloody ridiculous. | 11:13 |
| sejo | crashanddie: government sucks bet less than others imho | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? who ever enjoys gvmt?? | 11:14 |
| sejo | indeed | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | sejo, lol? | 11:14 |
| sejo | crashanddie: where do you live? | 11:14 |
| johnx | crashanddie, what's funny is that you get on other peoples' case for trolling ... and now you've started a political debate. fantastic ... | 11:14 |
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| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer51: china ppl does | 11:15 |
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| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, what IS your citizenship status? | 11:15 |
| rmrfchik | and north korean | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | TermanaN900, triple citizenship | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh yeah I bet they do | 11:15 |
| sejo | that's ridiculous | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | TermanaN900, though, not sure each country is aware i went with another. | 11:15 |
| sejo | why 3 citizenships? | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | cuz I can? | 11:15 |
| Corsac | just in case | 11:15 |
| Corsac | a backup | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | having 3 passports is a heckuvalot better than 1 | 11:15 |
| Corsac | it's a raid1 citizenship | 11:15 |
| sejo | to be able to moe to one of three depending the advantages and having no connection whatsoever? | 11:15 |
| Corsac | with one hotspare | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | I can go to israel and iran on the same day, and never be annoyed. | 11:16 |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, france, australian and belgium? | 11:16 |
| johnx | crashanddie, if you found the secret to non-annoying air travel, I'd like to hear it | 11:16 |
| TermanaN900 | australia* | 11:16 |
| johnx | but I doubt it has much to do with which passport you're carrying ... | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | johnx, lol :D | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | johnx, well, not "on the same day" | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | but you know what I mean | 11:17 |
| sejo | you have iran israel and belgian passport? | 11:17 |
| sejo | did you ever live in belgium? | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | nope | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | nope to iran/israeli passports | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, I lived in Belgium for 14 years | 11:18 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, I'm allowed to laugh at a country's government, considering I was born there. Is that trolling? | 11:19 |
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| johnx | trolling is saying something you know will stir everyone up, and not produce a terribly useful discussion | 11:19 |
| johnx | and I've seen you get on people for less | 11:20 |
| sejo | crashanddie: what are your other passports? | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | sejo, none of your business | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | but a quick google should give you one, at least | 11:20 |
| sejo | yeah thought so | 11:20 |
| sejo | not going to google you | 11:20 |
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| sejo | you know what you lived here 14 years... whenever you get back... then complain... until than without the guts of saying what government isn't ridiculous let me be in peace | 11:21 |
| sejo | sick of people being the allknowing beings without having a clue of the real problems | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | dude, i probably know more about the problems in your own goddamn country than yourself | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | are you flemish or walloon? | 11:22 |
| sejo | I've lived here 32 years | 11:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am sure crashanddie will change his opinion once all three governments decide to tax him | 11:23 |
| sejo | in brussels and flannders | 11:23 |
| sejo | worked 2 years in luxembourg | 11:23 |
| johnx | crashanddie, now that's trolling | 11:23 |
| sejo | I'm flemish | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | johnx, stfu | 11:23 |
| johnx | crashanddie, make me | 11:23 |
| sejo | you are probably able to solve all the problems! | 11:23 |
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| sejo | god damned why don't they make people do an exam before allowing them on the internet | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | if you're flemish, you probably consider the walloons to be lazy sods who need to stop getting help from the government, because stupid flemish politicians have been trying to get the whole north to believe they're paying too much for the south. If you're a walloon, you basically have no clue, you don't understand why there are flemish people who come to the south to work, when you're not able to find a job yourself. | 11:24 |
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| sejo | crashanddie: well that's a stereotype | 11:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: sorry, but what are these two flemish guys arguing about? | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah | 11:25 |
| TermanaN900 | I can smell it | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, belgian policitics | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | err, politics | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | policitics? | 11:25 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer51, can you smell it? | 11:25 |
| RST38h | belgian? what is belgia? =) | 11:25 |
| sejo | nvm | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, same as glaswegia :) | 11:25 |
| sejo | alknowing being I leave the floor to you! | 11:26 |
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| johnx | RST38h, heh. I think one is against all government and one just got tricked into arguing with the other one :) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: they all sound like venerial diseases to me | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | (Now, gentlemen, THAT is trolling. And what you have just done was unprofessional flaming =)) | 11:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: OMG, are they going to have a fight-to-the-death? | 11:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, two men enter, one man leaves! two men enter, one man leaves! | 11:28 |
| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure belgians are too busy trolling themselves to do it to others on irc | 11:28 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I just remembered: Poirot was a belgian! | 11:29 |
| TermanaDesire | N900 why! Why do you go flat on me :p | 11:29 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Now, I wonder if PBS is a belgian tv channel, given how much Poirot they show! | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | sejo, truth is, neither side is right. I'm flemish, most of my family is flemish, but I grew up/went to school in walloon territory/schools. Let's not forget that the country's moto is "L'Union fait la force", and for nearly 150 years, the walloon had the biggest production, and sent money over to flanders in order to keep them afloat, considering their agricultural production was moot. Then the flemish finally discovered th | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | e service industry (and antwerp as a haven for international business), so both sides made pretty much the same amount of money. For the past 30 years, the walloon side has seen a massive economy collapse (due to the mines and shit going down) which means the flemish all of a sudden feel they're paying too much, even though they've only been paying for 30 years when they've been on the receiving end for 150 years. | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, I'm done, you can deop now. | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: still looking for that LCD backlite thing? | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: keyboard backlight | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 11:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's controlled via LP5523 | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds:lp5523:kb1 | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...6 | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 6 LEDs | 11:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and MCE abuses one of the 3 engines exclusively fulltime, just to implement a silly 200ms ramp that could be done more easily with less code in sw-only | 11:43 |
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| thp | X-Fade: who can set up a packages.maemo.org -> maemo.org/packages redirect? i always find myself typing the former ;) | 11:46 |
| johnx | thp, you can with a quick hack to /etc/hosts and a local web server :D | 11:47 |
| thp | johnx: and have everyone complaining why i send out fake urls that don't work at their end? ;) | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | thp: Hehe, use your awesome bar more then ;) | 11:48 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests bookmarks, or webshortcuts ala Konqueror | 11:48 | |
| johnx | thp, it's worked perfectly well for me all these years :) | 11:49 |
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| alterego | Lal | 11:49 |
| thp | it would take ~ 10 minutes and make me soo happy. pretty please? | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | thp: setting up a subdomain is more than 10 min | 11:50 |
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| alterego | Sub-domain and vhost redirect | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | Need to request the host first then, that is a bit of a pain. | 11:50 |
| thp | DocScrutinizer: adding a dns entry and telling the web server to "Redirect permanent / http://maemo.org/packages/" (in apache speak)? | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | set up a proper service handler (if you don't have a proper browser like Konqueror that supports shortcuts for same result) | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | like pmo:/path/to/package | 11:54 |
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| thp | and while we are at requesting improvements to the URL interface, Maemo bug 7107 is still open, too :p | 11:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, I bet that's a WONTFIX | 11:56 |
| thp | DocScrutinizer: it's not just about me and my browser. i'd like to type urls in IMs and (for example) on IRC | 11:56 |
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| crashanddie | couldn't povbot tell the bug status in the IRC message? | 12:04 |
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| crashanddie | "Moscow will open its first cemetery for the elite in almost 250 years, a popular newspaper reported on Wednesday, to make sure Russia's high mortality rate doesn't deprive the city's most famous residents of a final resting place." | 12:06 |
| dneary | thp, I bet you could write a ModRewrite rule that would do that for you | 12:06 |
| johnx | dneary, I think he has an idea for the rule, but not access to the server :) | 12:07 |
| thp | exactly :p | 12:07 |
| dneary | johnx, Perhaps writing the rule in a Bugzilla comment & pinging amigadave would help get the problem solved? :) | 12:07 |
| johnx | thp, dneary had an idea. let me tell you about it ... :) | 12:08 |
| thp | dneary, johnx: the rule is actually in the bug report already ;) | 12:08 |
| thp | something along the lines of RewriteRule ^/(\d+) /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 should do the trick | 12:09 |
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| thp | amigadave: ping! please have a look at maemo bug 7107 when you've got some time - thank :) | 12:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | thp: you don't look at that bug status often, now do you? :) | 12:12 |
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| thp | X-Fade: just saw that now. thanks :) | 12:13 |
| dneary | thp, Really? Didn't see it | 12:15 |
| dneary | thp, You know mod_rewrite regex foo better than me. | 12:15 |
| dneary | I was suggesting([0-9]+) | 12:15 |
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| thp | dneary: it's actually untested, so yours might work and mine might not :p i'm kinda confused by all those regex dialects/extensions myself :) | 12:20 |
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| dneary | thp, It would need to be RewriteRule ^/(\d+)$ /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 [L] I think | 12:20 |
| amigadave | thp, dneary: hopefully, most of the begzilla enhancement requests should get worked on after bugzilla 3.4 is rolled out | 12:20 |
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| amigadave | which is real soon now :) | 12:21 |
| dneary | thp, I found docs. mod_rewrite supports Perl regular expressions (so \d is OK) | 12:21 |
| dneary | amigadave, Cool | 12:21 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 12:21 |
| dneary | amigadave, Since this is completely independent of Bugzilla configuration & versions, and only affects Apache config, any chance it could get done sooner? | 12:22 |
| dneary | amigadave, It's literally a one-line config change, which will not affect any existing users | 12:22 |
| amigadave | dneary: quite possibly, but ferenc is the person to ask | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | Already assigned it to him. | 12:22 |
| amigadave | i do not have any access to bugs.maemo.org :) | 12:22 |
| dneary | amigadave, How're you going to push bz 3.4 then? | 12:24 |
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| amigadave | dneary: ferenc is sorting that, i have merely transferred the maemo.org customizations | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | It just needs to be copied from test. Ferenc is currently on the move, but it can probably be done at the beginning of next week. | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/ | 12:30 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya | 12:40 |
| * wazd will definitely kick Johnny Ive someday | 12:41 | |
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| werber | http://www.saudiarabia.spmgame.com/partner.php?ID=267258 | 12:49 |
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| RST38h | wazd: But then you should start by designing toilet bowls =) | 12:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ok, Ive continues designing toilet bowls, to be fair | 12:59 |
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| lcuk | toilet bowl design is hard - not such for the required shape, but the attachments! | 13:01 |
| lcuk | errr toilet seats * | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - hooking on the robot arms is an ergonomics nightmare. | 13:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't really care about his designs, It's really presonal thing for everyone, but the way he behaves | 13:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: like "look at me, I'm such a fragile artist" | 13:03 |
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| sejo | is there a date yet for PR1.3? | 13:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~PR1.3 | 13:11 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 13:11 |
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| rmrfchik | sejo: you shouldn't use PR1.3. Use "release after 1.2" or "Last Hope Release" or "dying platform release" | 13:19 |
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| sejo | lol | 13:19 |
| sejo | but I can't add sharing accounts (fails with Internal error.) | 13:19 |
| rmrfchik | sad | 13:20 |
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| sejo | very sad :/ | 13:21 |
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| VladNistor-of | just use pr1.2.5 :) | 13:33 |
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| sejo | it's a dbus error? | 13:36 |
| sejo | weird | 13:36 |
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| RST38h | wazd: If you were designing things made of porcelain for the half of your life, you would be fragile too! | 13:55 |
| sejo | someone knows how to clear the sharing account data? | 13:56 |
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| jarkkom | hmm interesting, symbian^4 got scrapped | 14:00 |
| mgedmin | jarkkom, url? | 14:01 |
| Noma_ | http://www.taloussanomat.fi/informaatioteknologia/2010/10/21/nokia-symbian-4--puhelimia-ei-tulekaan/201014655/12 in Finnish | 14:01 |
| Noma_ | google translate helps | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr1.4 | 14:02 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 14:02 |
| RST38h | PR1.5 is still safe though | 14:03 |
| Noma_ | ~pr2.0 | 14:03 |
| Noma_ | :( | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: ask infobot! | 14:04 |
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| Myrtti | that's a bit overexaggaration of the press release they gave out | 14:08 |
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| RST38h | "Nokia said it plans to cut up 1,800 jobs and simplify its production organization for Symbian smartphones. " | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: read: fire most of symbian guys? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:15 |
| RST38h | 1800 Symbian people! | 14:15 |
| Myrtti | 750-850 in Finland | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: That is how I read it as well. But it does not have to mean that. | 14:15 |
| Surfa | most, not really most | 14:17 |
| Surfa | quite significant share of them, but not even majority | 14:17 |
| Surfa | or even near | 14:17 |
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| sivang | RST38h: doesn't it make sense if they move more power to the linux stack? | 14:25 |
| sivang | work power, that is | 14:25 |
| sivang | and hi all, btw :) | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | sivang: Very few corporate actions make sense to normal people | 14:26 |
| sivang | I guess :) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | sivang: And yes, you should probably stop reading Slashdot :) | 14:27 |
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| sivang | RST38h: hehe, I never really followed it too much | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Or one day, you will respond almost entirely with "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" and "in soviet russia..." | 14:27 |
| sivang | RST38h: being mocked for not doing so many times, "you call yourself open sourcerer and you don't follow slashdot?" | 14:27 |
| sivang | beowulf... | 14:28 |
| sivang | is it deployed anywhere? | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Calling onseself "open sourcerer" almost like calling oneself "batman" or "superman" =) | 14:28 |
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| chibi-taiga | he guys isl there a way to upgdate the flash player of n900 | 14:37 |
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| merlin1991 | chibi-taiga, no | 14:39 |
| RST38h | chibi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922 | 14:39 |
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| RST38h | Middle of this thread, sort answer is a "no" | 14:39 |
| RST38h | s/sort/short | 14:39 |
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| chibi-taiga | so its stuck with current flash player? | 14:42 |
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| BCMM | isn't there some hack to make flash mis-report it's version? | 14:57 |
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| BCMM | (since a lot of stuff is actually flash 9 compatible, but uses a stupid flash-detection script) | 14:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | hex editing the bin? :) | 14:57 |
| kerio | there was something | 14:58 |
| kerio | that patched the binary, yeah | 14:58 |
| BCMM | are they still selling the n900? | 14:59 |
| BCMM | and do they still mention facebook stuff in marketing material? | 14:59 |
| BCMM | cause facebook videos officially do not work now | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/21/nokia-focuses-on-qt-to-extend-reach-for-developers-make-mobile-experience-richer-for-users/ | 15:04 |
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| RST38h | "No need to wait for Symbian^4 the improvements we were planning for Symbian^4 will be introduced as and when they become available. In fact, we will no longer be talking about Symbian^3 or Symbian^4 at all it will be one constantly evolving and constantly improving platform." | 15:04 |
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| hahlo | RST38h: android or symbian, which is worst? | 15:08 |
| kerio | symbian | 15:08 |
| kerio | and android sucks | 15:08 |
| kerio | so... | 15:08 |
| Noma_ | worst is winmo... | 15:08 |
| * mgedmin sjudders | 15:09 | |
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| RST38h | hahlo: Windows Phone. | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | Symbian isn't really that bad, just stagnant, and bloggers/fanboys hate that | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | I dunno | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | to me it felt like a step back from Series 40 (!) | 15:12 |
| hahlo | RST38h: is it better than android in memory consumption? | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | maybe I was comparing early S60 phones with polished N-th generation S40? | 15:13 |
| Cegy | hi, does anyone know or even how to fix this problem "make: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory." ? | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | if you like to be tamed like a puppy then use symbian | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | Cegy, missing kernel source | 15:13 |
| Cegy | ok... where would i download it from (linux n00b) | 15:14 |
| psycho_oreos | from the maemo repo, apt-get source linux-kernel iirc | 15:14 |
| RST38h | hahlo: How would I know? Never had an Android phone | 15:15 |
| Cegy | unable to find it | 15:15 |
| Cegy | :/ | 15:15 |
| psycho_oreos | use apt-cache to find the correct name of the package | 15:15 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: You were probably unlucky to get one of these unpolished late N-series phones | 15:16 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: was it N97 by any chance? | 15:16 |
| Cegy | i've used the gui (py) installer for the sdk so it can be installed easyer for myself | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | I didn't _get_ one | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | I looked at the ones my coworkers got (6120 classic? and E75, iirc?) | 15:17 |
| RST38h | E75 was pretty bad | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Firmware-wise, I mean | 15:17 |
| Cegy | psycho_oreos: apt-cache showsrc linux-kernel | 15:17 |
| Cegy | W: Unable to locate package linux-kernel | 15:17 |
| Cegy | N: No packages found | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | not 75 | 15:18 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Try 5800 with the latest firmware version. Aside from being "boring", it is pretty good | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | it was E65 | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | I'm quite happy with my 6600 slide | 15:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Cegy, apt-get source kernel | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Nevr used E65 | 15:18 |
| Cegy | nope, E: Unable to find a source package for kernel | 15:19 |
| mgedmin | it was _horrrrrrrible_ | 15:19 |
| sx0n | i am quite happy with my n8. | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | Cegy, you probably haven't updated your repo cache | 15:19 |
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| Cegy | how would i do that ? | 15:19 |
| mgedmin | my first nokia was a 6125 | 15:19 |
| RST38h | S40 is pretty horrible too, the ones I tried anyway | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | apt-get update | 15:20 |
| psycho_oreos | er add fakeroot in front | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Slow, garish colors, looks like lobotomized S60 UI | 15:20 |
| Cegy | fakeroot didn't work so i did sudo am sure that will do the same as it updaing the list from the looks of it | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | heh | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | I chose S40 because S60 was slower | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | flickery redrawing, I mean OMG | 15:21 |
| Cegy | maybe i don't have the repo configed if so which website would i get this info from psycho_oreos ? | 15:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Cegy, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 15:23 |
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| Cegy | i can't see any info about it plus i did fellow it | 15:25 |
| Cegy | :/ | 15:25 |
| psycho_oreos | probably best to start from scratch following that link | 15:25 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, my son has an X3 - it works really well and responds | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | the blue nail woman (who destroyed the n8) did the same on the X3-2 and it kept up really well! | 15:26 |
| Cegy | well i used the ps gui and ticked every option so if there is a problem its down to nokia :S | 15:26 |
| Cegy | psy* | 15:27 |
| Cegy | python** | 15:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Blue nail woman? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: all this sounds like one should make a choice based on the particular phone model rather than platform | 15:28 |
| Cegy | i guess its this | 15:29 |
| Cegy | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/ | 15:29 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I know that S60 phones all behave differently. Now you are saying there *are* not-slow S40 phones | 15:29 |
| psycho_oreos | it is actually well noted that using the python installer one may encounter issues if their base distro isn't debian | 15:29 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, there was a woman demonstrator at the nokia world event, she had blue nails and was MUCH faster at using her phone than anyone | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:30 |
| lcuk | she tried to use the n8 like she used other symbian phones (from the looks of it) and it failed drastically because of over input | 15:31 |
| lcuk | there another video of her using other device and it handled it superbly | 15:31 |
| lcuk | fingers almost a blur! | 15:31 |
| * lcuk would hire her on the testing team | 15:31 | |
| Myrtti | hm, perhaps I should get some blue nailpolish | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | This is what you get when you only give your secetary a phone to take letters with. | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm surprised at how fast I got on the n900 keyboard. | 15:34 |
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| mgedmin | her nails were actually red, but they moved so fast they got blue-shifted | 15:35 |
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| Cegy | psycho_oreos i add the repo and now the file is downloading is there anything else i would need to do once its done ? | 15:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Cegy, probably make sure that its in the correct directory | 15:36 |
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| sx0n | afaik there was not blue nail presenter at the fairs. it might have been 3vil plan. | 15:36 |
| Cegy | and the correct is usr/src/ isn't it ? | 15:36 |
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| Cegy | correct folder*3 | 15:37 |
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| Cegy | done that i still get the same kind of error in scratchbox | 15:39 |
| Cegy | EXTRA_CFLAGS="-I/usr/include -DENABLE_MUSB_CONTROLLER" EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 modules | 15:39 |
| Cegy | make: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory. Stop. | 15:39 |
| Cegy | make: *** [build] Error 2 | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Yes, but have you got a Nokia phone to demo? :) | 15:45 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: quit being so grumpy. | 15:58 |
| javispedro | morning | 15:59 |
| * RST38h drinks some coolaid, turns all rainbowy | 15:59 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: bought Apple stock recently? | 15:59 |
| RST38h | moorning javispedro | 15:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: naah, not into stocks, too grumpy for that | 15:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I quite like stocks. | 16:02 |
| * SpeedEvil is boiling some chicken bones. | 16:03 | |
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| * Myrtti just made some tom yum gai, with nice sticken stock | 16:06 | |
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| SpeedEvil | you boil sticks to make that? | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Sounds economical. | 16:12 |
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| wazd | First MeeGo device will be a 2011 event | 16:13 |
| javispedro | this gitorious thing... really needs a bugtracker | 16:13 |
| * javispedro should have gone github instead | 16:13 | |
| wazd | nowai | 16:13 |
| javispedro | wazd: The writing is on the wall | 16:13 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, that's what Engadget says :) | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | SpeedEvil: sticks and leaves | 16:14 |
| javispedro | wazd: yes, and I think it's true. | 16:14 |
| javispedro | s/think/believe | 16:14 |
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| wazd | javispedro: conference with paper prototypes would be great :D | 16:15 |
| javispedro | wazd: who knows, maybe they bring in the aava moorestowns (or conveniently dual-booting n900s) =) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | wazd,javispedro: By first Meego device, do they mean Harmattan one or a proper Meego? | 16:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: who knows :) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | IS there going to be a Harmattan device now? | 16:17 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: well, lemmings believe "proper Meego" so that they can say "n900+1 is still coming before end of the year" | 16:17 |
| javispedro | but I DO remember that, from a Nokia PoV, Harmattan _is_ Meego. | 16:18 |
| javispedro | so, first Meego device is N900+1. | 16:18 |
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| javispedro | so, it is not coming until 2011 =) | 16:18 |
| javispedro | nice logic, eh? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Depends on who you ask ;) | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Marketing or people with technical knowledge.. | 16:19 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: touché, but it is higher levels of (mis)management were talking about here =) | 16:19 |
| javispedro | so, Marketing :) | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | You won't see me calling Harmattan MeeGo at least. | 16:20 |
| * javispedro will call it "maemo" :P | 16:20 | |
| X-Fade | Maemo 6 ;) | 16:21 |
| javispedro | for added confusion | 16:21 |
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| X-Fade | Well it has all the new meego qt stuff and debian roots, what's not to like :) | 16:22 |
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| mgedmin | MaeGo | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I do not care what lemmings think\ | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: The real question is, if Nokia calls Harmattan "Meego" to the press, what will Intel do, after claiming "no Meego handsets until 2011"? | 16:26 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you assume the N900+1 is not being delayed =) | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I don't know, glad I don't have to deal with that. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And if Nokia digs out the corpse of Maemo (as a trademark for Harmattan), what the maemo.org community will do (that should be fun to watch) | 16:27 |
| alterego | ping GAN900 | 16:28 |
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| * LjL is so confused about all these things :( what is Harmattan exactly? | 16:35 | |
| RST38h | LjL: harmattan is the next generation of Maemo, aka Maemo6 | 16:36 |
| RST38h | LjL: It is supposed to be based on Debian (with .debs for packaging) but have Qt-based UI | 16:36 |
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| pupnik | http://www.timocharis.com/doodles/server/server.jpg Wall Mounted Motherboard (great minds...) | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | hahaa | 16:43 |
| javispedro | Apple has already removed Flash from OS X Lion, and is planning to do so with Java too. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | War Has Begun | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| javispedro | Not only removed: Safari will not even prompt to install it; a simple "Missing Plugin" message appears. So the user is forced to type adobe.com and go hunt for it. | 16:46 |
| Corsac | nice | 16:46 |
| Wizzup | source? | 16:46 |
| javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/macbook-air-all-substance-no-flash/ | 16:47 |
| javispedro | Java: http://www.osnews.com/story/23923/Apple_To_Remove_Java_from_Mac_OS_X_ | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I can only applaud about that | 16:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Eagerly waiting for Oracle terminating support for Java on Windows | 16:49 |
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| jaska | well, not that it has any real use beyond server stuff these days :) | 16:50 |
| Corsac | well, java support in OSX was ridiculous, at least | 16:50 |
| jaska | yeah.. they lagged 1.6 support for ages | 16:50 |
| Corsac | security updates months and months later | 16:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I am worried that Jobs feel he already has enough power and/or market quote to start making the bold moves | 16:51 |
| javispedro | *feels | 16:51 |
| jaska | objc is pretty damn ugly too :) | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Well I guess it is more against Android than against Sun, but hey. | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I wouldn't worry about what Jobs feels :) | 16:58 |
| RST38h | javispedro: "An elephant consumes 300kg of bananas a day. If you LET HIM." | 16:58 |
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| pupnik | http://androidandme.com/2010/10/news/3dmarkmobile-gpu-showdown-adreno-205-vs-powervr-sgx540/ | 17:38 |
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| khertan_900 | Hi all ! | 17:48 |
| khertan_900 | x-fade: ping ? | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | khertan_900: pong | 17:50 |
| khertan_900 | i bother you about http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur-experimental/ | 17:50 |
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| khertan_900 | is there a reason to not be listed in the repository | 17:51 |
| khertan_900 | i didn t see why it s not listed | 17:51 |
| khertan_900 | while it s really in the repositorty | 17:51 |
| khertan_900 | ? | 17:51 |
| khertan_900 | (ps : i m testing a new tool to package :) ) | 17:51 |
| khertan_900 | ~ping | 17:53 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:53 |
| khertan_900 | :) sorry i m in the subway | 17:53 |
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| X-Fade | khertan_900: patience grasshopper. | 17:54 |
| khertan_900 | :) | 17:56 |
| khertan_900 | i just test as webchat didn t notice you when disconnected :) | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | 39-2 is in the repo, just hasn't been imported yet. | 17:58 |
| khertan_900 | yep it s in the repo | 17:58 |
| khertan_900 | it s more why it s not listed in the release section of the ui :) | 17:59 |
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| X-Fade | Because it has not been imported yet. | 17:59 |
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| khertan_900 | 39-1 was upload this morning | 18:00 |
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| khertan_900 | i ask because as it s a new packaging tool that i m writing maybe i made some errors :) | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | khertan_900: Maintainer is not very descriptive ;) | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | Maintainer: UNKNOWN <UNKNOWN> | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, fix the cloaks. :P | 18:02 |
| javispedro | ah, yes :) | 18:03 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: Sorry low prio :) All kinds of issues I needed to attend to first. | 18:03 |
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| khertan_900 | x-fade: indeed ... thx | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | khertan_900: But I'll check if I can find something else. | 18:05 |
| GAN900 | It's amazing to me that after five years Nokia still doesn't realize how much the COMPLETE LACK of platform continuity hurts the platform. . . . | 18:05 |
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| javispedro | In fact, expect the switch to E-17 any time soon! | 18:07 |
| javispedro | or Windows Phone 7! | 18:07 |
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| khertan_900 | GAN900: i think this the reason of Qt :) | 18:07 |
| khertan_900 | gan900: abstract pateform focus on framework | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | It'd be one thing if they were smart enough to figure out that providing support for existing users is a good idea. | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Instead they just drop a daisy cutter every year or so and expect everybody to wait in a holding pattern in the resulting vacuum. | 18:09 |
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| khertan_900 | GAN900: no profits in short term : extrem capitalism | 18:10 |
| javispedro | hum, this reminds me about the rx-71 =) | 18:10 |
| dneary | Hey hey | 18:10 |
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| dneary | I'm working through maemoexamples in scratchbox | 18:11 |
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| javispedro | dneary: btw, many thanks for that! | 18:11 |
| alterego | GAN900: are there still N900's in the developer queue? | 18:11 |
| dneary | javispedro, For what? | 18:12 |
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| javispedro | dneary: did you got through all the meanings of .desktop fields? I at least wanted to say that X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class is possibly the "cleaned up" version of StartupWMClass | 18:12 |
| javispedro | dneary: for documenting undocumented stuff :) | 18:12 |
| dneary | javispedro, I'm still missing the PreStart ones | 18:12 |
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| dneary | javispedro, The URL groups need updating too - it looks like it's backwards compatible, though. | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | and from quickly looking at hildon source, X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class got never used (dunno about PR1.3 or if it was meant to be used in "upstream" Hildon or what) | 18:13 |
| dneary | javispedro, And there are half a dozen fields I've seen mentioned in example files that I can't find parsed anywhere - so I'm guessing they're deprecated | 18:13 |
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| dneary | javispedro, The tricky thing is that these files are parsed in a few different places | 18:14 |
| javispedro | hard task ahead... | 18:14 |
| dneary | hildon-desktop is only one of them | 18:14 |
| dneary | libhildonmime is another | 18:14 |
| javispedro | are all of them OSS at least? | 18:14 |
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| dneary | But anyway... I've moved on :) It's 95% good now | 18:15 |
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| dneary | I just compiled crazyparking | 18:15 |
| javispedro | well, I find out anything about those I'll try to fill the wiki. | 18:15 |
| javispedro | *if I | 18:15 |
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| javispedro | crazyparking? it was already on extras? | 18:16 |
| alterego | Oh, guess I just missed GAN900 then :( | 18:17 |
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| dneary | It compiles fine, but when I try to run it, I get an error, "arguments to dbus_bus_request_name were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed" | 18:17 |
| dneary | I get that a couple of times, then "cannot init hildon-games-startup" | 18:17 |
| dneary | Anyone able to help me figure out what is going wrong? | 18:18 |
| javispedro | it's hard to run a hildon-games-wrapper game properly | 18:18 |
| dneary | This is the tags/maemo5 version of maemoexamples | 18:18 |
| javispedro | will give a look | 18:18 |
| dneary | OK - if this is a known issue, I'll move on & come back to it | 18:18 |
| dneary | I actually want to get an abook example working | 18:18 |
| javispedro | where is maemoexamples.git btw? | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | ep, it's not git. sorry. | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | dneary: WORKSFORME? I svn co'd tags/maemo_5.0/crazyparking, autogen.sh prefix=/usr, make, make install and clicked on its menu icon and worked? | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | this is sbox x86, though. | 18:23 |
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| javispedro | maybe you are invoking it from cmd line in some specific way? | 18:24 |
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| dneary | javispedro, Ah - I didn't make install | 18:32 |
| javispedro | hildon-games are usually composed of two processes, messaging via d-bus, so it will need .service files in place | 18:32 |
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| dneary | javispedro, I don't see any icon after make install | 18:34 |
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| dneary | (yes, sbox x86) | 18:34 |
| orospakr | aw, maemo 5 appears to disable my 3G connection when wireless comes up. | 18:34 |
| javispedro | is prefix=/usr ? :P | 18:34 |
| dneary | And command line invocation gives the same error | 18:34 |
| dneary | No - I just did a fakeroot make install | 18:34 |
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| * javispedro 's only gripe with sbox1 is not being able to run two targets at the same time | 18:35 | |
| dneary | Yes, works now when installed in /usr | 18:35 |
| dneary | That seems wrong & weird... | 18:35 |
| dneary | Ah, no, doesn't work | 18:36 |
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| dneary | Icon was there, clicking crashed it | 18:36 |
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| javispedro | ok, I see your crash | 18:37 |
| dneary | javispedro, Do I need to install a prerequisite, perhaps, that I don't have? | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | without installing it, you're trying to run via ./src/crazyparking? That's second binary | 18:37 |
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| yoyoyo | hey, why is there 30ms minimum latency from my n900 to my n router - from right next to it? | 18:38 |
| javispedro | it needs session dbus, so it needs run-standalone.sh. also, iirc, it needs some env vars set, but I need to look those up | 18:38 |
| dneary | javispedro, So run-standalone.sh crazyparking? | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | ok, I looked it up | 18:42 |
| javispedro | dneary: there's no way to run the SDL app from the command line -- it needs a dbus method invocation to launch. | 18:42 |
| dneary | I have hildon-games-wrapper & hildon-games-wrapper-dev | 18:42 |
| javispedro | so the question is what error msg if any is console giving you when trying to launch it from menu? | 18:43 |
| dneary | No - now I'm not even seeing fail messages | 18:43 |
| dneary | I just go back to the home screen | 18:43 |
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| dneary | Nope - no errors on xephyr or af-sb-init.sh shell | 18:44 |
| Wizzup | yoyoyo wifi isn't too fast | 18:44 |
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| javispedro | trying to reproduce it by installing on prefix=/usr/local first, then /usr.. | 18:44 |
| yoyoyo | but 30ms? | 18:44 |
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| yoyoyo | isn't it supposed to be like 3ms | 18:45 |
| * Wizzup doesn't know what's usual for wifi | 18:45 | |
| yoyoyo | well 30 isnt | 18:45 |
| yoyoyo | lol | 18:45 |
| dneary | javispedro, I'm definitely in /usr now | 18:45 |
| dneary | Let me restart everything in case it's a desktop file cache question | 18:46 |
| javispedro | ah, sounds plausible | 18:46 |
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| dneary | Nah, not it | 18:46 |
| dneary | And no errors to terminal | 18:46 |
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| dneary | And no docs for crazyparking at all - great for an example program | 18:48 |
| * javispedro used it as sample a year ago, back when starting drnoksnes... | 18:48 | |
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| javispedro | dneary: http://maemo.pastebin.com/djfri7c8 | 18:51 |
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| dneary | javispedro, No osso_games_startup here | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | interesting | 19:00 |
| javispedro | package osso-games-startup | 19:00 |
| dneary | javispedro, Thanks! | 19:00 |
| javispedro | that's probably missing from crazyparking dependencies, then. | 19:00 |
| javispedro | it comes builtin on all so-far released devices, though. | 19:00 |
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| dneary | I was just typing "can you run dpkg -S for me, please" :) | 19:00 |
| javispedro | =) | 19:00 |
| dneary | javispedro, But not on the SDK | 19:00 |
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| dneary | Yay! | 19:02 |
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| dneary | Weird | 19:02 |
| dneary | Just started a new game | 19:02 |
| dneary | It went straight to "Game paused" | 19:02 |
| javispedro | and it just hang, both buttons greyed out? | 19:02 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:02 |
| dneary | No, I can click the buttons | 19:03 |
| alterego | Does anyone elses Nokia charger adapter make a noise when it's charging the N900? | 19:03 |
| alterego | The adapter that converts old Nokia charger plugs into micro usb | 19:03 |
| dneary | GLIB warning | 19:03 |
| dneary | hd-task-navigator - XGetClassHint failed | 19:04 |
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| dneary | ClutterX11 - bad window 0x1200002 | 19:04 |
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| javispedro | possibly crashed... | 19:04 |
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| dneary | default - hd_util_get_x_window_string_property: XGetWindowProperty failed | 19:05 |
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| dneary | These are hildon-desktop warnings | 19:05 |
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| mgedmin | alterego, possibly unrelated, but scary: http://www.nokiausers.net/General/N97-Charging-Warning-Beware-of-Using-Supplied-CA-146C-with-Old-Style-Nokia-Charger.html | 19:06 |
| javispedro | dneary: if you run "run-standalone.sh /usr/games/wrapper/games/crazyparking.l" it should hang for a while then quit, no error messages | 19:06 |
| alterego | Holy crap | 19:06 |
| alterego | mgedmin: it does get warm but I wouldn't say that hot | 19:07 |
| javispedro | (reason for that is dbus timeout while waiting for a startup/activate method call) | 19:07 |
| alterego | And the whistling is intermittent. | 19:07 |
| javispedro | but at least it will run for a while if all libs are installed. | 19:07 |
| dneary | javispedro, No - same thing | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | I've had random power bricks make whining noises when they're plugged in | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | no explosions yet | 19:07 |
| dneary | Straight to "paused" when you start a game | 19:07 |
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| dneary | I do Ah - there's a GLIB CRITICAL | 19:08 |
| dneary | g_source_remove assertion 'tag > 0' failed | 19:08 |
| javispedro | weirdo, never seen that. | 19:09 |
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| dneary | Then there's a "sending async message game_continue" | 19:09 |
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| dneary | Then "Getting key /apps/osso/games_startup/pause_with_hw_key value as int" | 19:09 |
| dneary | So it seems that there's a hardware pause key registering as down!!! | 19:10 |
| javispedro | you're getting much more debug output that me :( | 19:10 |
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| dneary | How can I do hardware keys with the keyboard? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | I do not remember the mappings .. | 19:12 |
| fcrochik | Hi.... I really hate to have to do this but: are there any mycontacts users here that would like to help promote a (now very old) new release to extras? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/mycontacts/0.9.16-1/ Thanks! | 19:12 |
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| dneary | Maybe I can gconf edit that configuration key | 19:12 |
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| javispedro | dneary: mine's unset | 19:13 |
| dneary | javispedro, How do you know? | 19:13 |
| javispedro | run-standalone.sh gconftool -R /apps/osso/games_startup shows nothing | 19:13 |
| fcrochik | by the way: is anybody else here attending Qt dev days in SF? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: cool work on the webos stuff btw | 19:14 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: thanks | 19:14 |
| dneary | javispedro, Me too | 19:14 |
| javispedro | I started when I noticed someone had finally ported DrNokSnes to the Pre =) | 19:14 |
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| javispedro | dneary: why do you get output of g_debugs while I don't? O.o | 19:17 |
| dneary | javispedro, We're using the same sources... | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | either way, when the game binary crashes, you get "game not started yet" instead of "game paused", so no idea atm. | 19:19 |
| dneary | javispedro, The game binary doesn't crash for me | 19:19 |
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| dneary | The application menu doesn't work for me - no settings | 19:19 |
| dneary | That might be normal | 19:20 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:20 |
| alterego | furthest right of the launcher bar | 19:20 |
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| dneary | alterego, That's an X | 19:20 |
| dneary | ok comparing xephyr & n900 experiences | 19:21 |
| dneary | works on n900 | 19:22 |
| javispedro | no idea, can't reproduce it. | 19:22 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 19:23 |
| dneary | When I hit the hardware key, the game does pause | 19:25 |
| javispedro | dneary: I just noticed I have many instances of both the launcher and game binary hung behind. maybe time to sb-conf killall | 19:25 |
| dneary | but I'm not hitting the hardware key on my keyboard | 19:25 |
| javispedro | in fact, you cannot get to that hardware key on fremantle | 19:25 |
| dneary | javispedro, I don't | 19:25 |
| javispedro | because iirc it's ESC, the back front key on N8x0 | 19:26 |
| dneary | OKK - time to go :( | 19:26 |
| javispedro | cya | 19:26 |
| dneary | Bye | 19:26 |
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| RST38h | back | 19:31 |
| RST38h | moo, javispedro, anything new and exciting since I fell off? | 19:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nothing =) | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: see how I got webos games rotated? by patching glLoadIdentity to return a non-identity matrix =) | 19:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: dirty hacker! | 19:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: seriously, I am afraid this may bite you later | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: linear algebra lectures come in handy, for once? :P | 19:33 |
| javispedro | yes, for example: games not using GL at all, games using GLES2 | 19:33 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: indeed | 19:34 |
| RST38h | GLES2 stuff is meh | 19:34 |
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| juozapas | hi can u recommend some pdf reader wich can work in portrait mode? or ebook reader wich supports portait and pdf | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | there is exactly 2 pdf readers | 19:40 |
| RST38h | the onethat comes with the device and evince | 19:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 19:56 |
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| TiagoTiago | quick question: is there a way to change the default character that is used to obscure passwords? | 19:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | (on a N900) | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | a hexeditor :-P | 19:59 |
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| jacekowski | he just asked of there is a way not what is it | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrright | 19:59 |
| TiagoTiago | its not just a setting somewhere? :/ | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, somewhere | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably somewhere on *.h | 20:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | job @ nokia anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11594839 | 20:01 |
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| TiagoTiago | i mean, there isn't any way to change it other than doing changes on a binary? | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *-h isn't a binary | 20:03 |
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| TiagoTiago | but it is used to make a binary, if i change that the binary that results from it will also be changed | 20:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | is that incorrect? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 20:14 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, привет | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you might be able to (even temporarily) change the font that's used in the text input box | 20:15 |
| TiagoTiago | I wanna change the default, what programs that don't explicitly choose a character for that purpose use | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that even while the char binary code is the same, you get another representation for it | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, hard | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as there are several distinct text input libs, some not even with any password notion | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GTK, Qt, ncurses... | 20:19 |
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| dRbiG | hell'o | 20:19 |
| TiagoTiago | i would like to change it on things like the pin entry screen, microB etc | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's all GTK for anow afaik, and is going to change to Qt eventually :-D | 20:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | GTK doesn't got a text field variant specificly for passwords? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | GTK should, I'd guess | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ncurses obviously hasn't | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, bad example | 20:21 |
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| dRbiG | hmm, anyone for some Qt advocacy for me? i'm still like kind'a biased toward it | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | my point is - there's no standard way, so there's also no central locaton to tweak it | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noka came and told trolls "resistance is futile" ;-D | 20:27 |
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| crashanddie | Qt trolls or general? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | obiously Qt trolls | 20:27 |
| StyXman | crashanddie: trolls as in tolltech'ers | 20:28 |
| TiagoTiago | I was hoping those programs that don't explicitly choose a character would rely on a system setting (falling back to the toolkit's default in the absence of the setting) | 20:28 |
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| crashanddie | StyXman, yes thank you, DocScrutinizer's clarification... clarified that. | 20:28 |
| toggles | Stskeeps: Nokia said it too!! | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: a nice idea. Maybe even an implemented one, though I doubt. Sorry talking outa my ass | 20:29 |
| toggles | :-( | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | what did i say? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| toggles | Let me find the quote.. | 20:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | i see | 20:30 |
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| toggles | blah, can't find it, basically that I have to wait until next year | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: first point: there's no central settings storage defined that's common to Qt and GTK | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (except shell env vars maybe) | 20:33 |
| TiagoTiago | i wouldn't mind one for each | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | gtk == gconf | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Qt also has some settings editor | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | XResources ;-) | 20:34 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: is that gtk or gnome which is related to gconf? | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm not really sure about it | 20:36 |
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| orospakr | is it possible to get Maemo to not disconnect the 3G connection when wifi is available? I certainly want to prefer wifi if available (higher priority route metric, etc.), but I don't want to needlessly cut off connections already going through the 3G if it can be avoided. | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | orospakr: that's leave you with both up same time most of the cases | 20:37 |
| orospakr | sure, that's fine. | 20:37 |
| orospakr | I doubt it would use much power; the 3G modem is up all the time anyway. | 20:38 |
| BCMM | using 3G data uses much more power than sitting around waiting for a phone call does | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | many connections aren't supposed to "roam" so it's really difficult | 20:38 |
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| D-Iivil | Evening everyone :) | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and then there's UDP which has no decent notion about connections | 20:39 |
| orospakr | BCMM, it does, hm? Interesting. | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | Well, just being online uses almost nothing, but a single packet going in either direction will elevate power consumption for 5-10s (so even something like IRC uses huge amounts of power on 3g) | 20:40 |
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| ShadowJK | orospakr, it's a cool idea but I don't know how to do it :-) | 20:41 |
| orospakr | ShadowJK, ohhh, interesting. | 20:41 |
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| BCMM | i'd quite like a way to temporarily tell it to ignore wlan | 20:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | Does the N900 support that mobile IP thing i read about a while ago? (i think it was a feature of IPv6) | 20:41 |
| Surfa | mip? | 20:41 |
| Surfa | mip is also for ipv4 | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: a PITA | 20:42 |
| Surfa | what do you mean? | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | orospakr, personally I have a server in holland with openvpn on it, run openvpn on N900, and tunnel important stuff over that, since openvpn is able to gracefully jump from one connection to another | 20:42 |
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| orospakr | ShadowJK, hmm, yeah. I need to get OpenVPN running again. | 20:42 |
| BCMM | since if i'm outside fixing my bike or something, it chooses my home wireless network, but it doesn't actually work at that range | 20:42 |
| BCMM | (and i want to listen to internet radio while doing that) | 20:42 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ? | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | orospakr, I don't really know how to tell linux kernel "Use this route for new connections, but use the old one for already established connections", even if we ignore the UDP issue for now... | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | I've certainly tried similar things in the past :) | 20:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | it is also possible on IPv4? I thought it involved using an specific address range that was only present on IPv6 | 20:43 |
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| Surfa | TiagoTiago, yes it is | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you can do that with iptables | 20:44 |
| Surfa | TiagoTiago, i've been doing that for ipv4 | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I never managed to figure out how | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | you can do everything with iptables. | 20:44 |
| Surfa | TiagoTiago, but in general safe assumption is that it won't support it | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 20:44 |
| Surfa | TiagoTiago, but also mipv6 isn't that straightforward.. | 20:45 |
| BCMM | iptables is wonderful and complicated | 20:45 |
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| ShadowJK | in the end, packets belonging to connections on interface1 were going out on interface2 with SRC address set to interface1's address.. which would have worked, since ISP didnd't do any antispoofing checks, but there was a NAT in between on one of the connections, which then totally butchered/dropped stuff :) | 20:45 |
| BCMM | it's like saying "you can do anything in C" | 20:45 |
| BCMM | you can, but you probably don't know how to | 20:45 |
| Surfa | in general the mip is interesting, but almost nowhere supported | 20:45 |
| Goliath24 | hi | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | From memory, it'd be on the order of something like routing new connection requests over the 'new' interface. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, that's like the problems on loadbalancing/multiple connections. You need a concentrator somewhere "on the other side" | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Then dealing the right way with existing connections. | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | To me the problem sounds like "I'm a single user and I want to multihome but the ISPs says I need 50,000 users before I can multihome" ;D | 20:46 |
| StyXman | orospakr: it should be possible, but not easily done | 20:46 |
| Surfa | TiagoTiago, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_IP there are references for both | 20:46 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc SCTP is supposed to be able to move a connection over to a new IP :) | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | But nothing talks SCTP | 20:47 |
| * ShadowJK is sticking with his openvpn setup for now | 20:47 | |
| StyXman | orospakr: you should list the live connections and build static routes through the 3g device, if such thing exists | 20:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | i'll go read that, thx | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | StyXman: that's the cheesy way, though I have a script for that. | 20:48 |
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| StyXman | SpeedEvil: hehehe | 20:48 |
| StyXman | SpeedEvil: from the IPv4 point of view there is no other option | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's a nice case of "white trolling" :-P | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | StyXman: yes there is - you set iptables to deal differently with new connections than existing ones. | 20:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | And disregard this notion of 'routes' pretty much. | 20:49 |
| neekers | if i wanted to run a service in the background that got gps every 5 minutes and sent it to a webserver, what classes/frameworks would i want to look at? | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | liblocation | 20:49 |
| Khertan | qtmobility | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 20:50 |
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| Robot101 | just use XMPP location sharing, which already works via an app called Azimuth? :) | 20:50 |
| Khertan | it s work very well qtmobility.location | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ Robot101 | 20:50 |
| Khertan | and really easy to use in python | 20:50 |
| javispedro | so, true is 1 and false is 0, isn't it? | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends :-P | 20:52 |
| javispedro | hmm, good point. | 20:52 |
| javispedro | let's check the .h in case someone changed it. | 20:52 |
| javispedro | bah, that's not it. | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | in shell it seems to me 0 = true | 20:53 |
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| neekers | is there a class/framework that will actually run in the background similar to Android's Service class? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | all applications "run in the background" | 20:55 |
| javispedro | this ... is ... MAEMO! | 20:56 |
| neekers | heh | 20:56 |
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| StyXman | SpeedEvil: good point, but then I don't know how | 20:56 |
| StyXman | I read LARTC too long ago | 20:56 |
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| neekers | javispedro: can you maybe narrow down that answer a little... :) | 20:57 |
| neekers | maybe i should narrow down my question a little... | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 20:58 |
| infobot | i guess question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | also | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ask | 20:59 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 20:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | alright, i'm headin off, cya | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I really like the last sentence :-D | 21:00 |
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| Goliath24 | hi | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neekers: seems you started rethinking it thoroughly :-) Or was there a phonecall that stopped you from narrowing down your question? | 21:04 |
| Goliath24 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application <- is it mandatory to name the .pro "src.pro" in this case? I find that a bit strange it also doesn't work well with qtcreator.. | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | .pro is a project file and usually named like your project, AIUI | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea about packaging though | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | neekers, well if you don't open a window, then you'll be running in the background | 21:07 |
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| Goliath24 | If I use "SUBDIR" in a .pro it probably picks up every .pro it finds. so I guess I also could rename it | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and if you open, but hide? | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | #define background | 21:08 |
| Goliath24 | there is no publicly available scratchbox machine I could try my package on, right? ;) | 21:08 |
| Goliath24 | I have no space left... :/ | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if background means "concurrent execution" then all linux processes are "running as background" | 21:09 |
| neekers | this is how i define background, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html | 21:09 |
| trumee | almost everyday Appmanager asks me to update PyQt4 Full install, is that a new update? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, who'd be inclined to study andridiot specs now, just to answer your question | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | this isn't spyPhone nor Andridiot, maemo is a "real linux" | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with standard X and a window manager not that different from what you got on your desktop PC | 21:12 |
| neekers | DocScrutinizer: somebody has asked me a question on my blog on how to run my open source software on a symbian s4, i'm just trying to point that person in the right direction. | 21:13 |
| StyXman | neekers: what you want, I guess, is a normal 'go to daemon mode' if you don't want to 'leave an application running'. any linux daemon howto shold do it | 21:13 |
| neekers | StyXman: thanks, i think that is what i want | 21:14 |
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| StyXman | probably QApplication and/or GApp, if such thing exists, have somehting for that | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, now we're even with sybian | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think Qt is exactly the toolbox of choice for daemons | 21:17 |
| javispedro | I do not think there's anything really equivalent to the Service android class, because, as said, on Maemo, applications _always_ run on the background | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | they're never killed | 21:18 |
| javispedro | so there's no need to signal anyone "I'm going to do background work" | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor stopped | 21:18 |
| javispedro | just damn do it. | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | oomkill | 21:18 |
| javispedro | touché. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | how to fish by exploiting 3 bitches and a yourned to the moon? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | journey* | 21:20 |
| javispedro | using QtFish? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:21 |
| neekers | ok, i told the person they could do it with maemo, and gave them a link to maemo.org. my work is done... :) | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nota bene even overlords aren't exactly sure what's a daemon | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | on unix | 21:23 |
| StyXman | QApp doesn't seem to have anyhitn for daemons | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | neekers, I don't htink anyone here knows anything about Symbian^4 btw | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, as App != daemon, usually | 21:23 |
| javispedro | ah | 21:24 |
| javispedro | it was a symbian question? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | =) | 21:24 |
| neekers | ShadowJK: is ^4 a model or a different os? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | wrong channel then, this is #maemo =) | 21:24 |
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| hahlo | is it like demon for people :) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | S4? | 21:24 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are *some* commonly accepted properties of a daemon, one of them being it has no UI | 21:25 |
| javispedro | that's the easy part | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 21:25 |
| kerio | huh? | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | neekers, it's a different OS. | 21:26 |
| kerio | a daemon with a UI is definetely plausible | 21:26 |
| neekers | i guess i get a little confused with maemo and meego and moblin etc... :/ | 21:26 |
| neekers | ahh | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, the one with the bitches and the journey, not the one where you're going fishing :-P | 21:26 |
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| ShadowJK | neekers, Maemo 5 is the OS on the Nokia N900. Moblin is some netbook OS made by intel. MeeGo is a merger of Maemo and Moblin. They're all Linux based. Symbian, however, is a completely different operating system. It's used by Nokia on all smartphones except N900, and also by some other manufacturers on some specific models. | 21:28 |
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| neekers | ahh, thank you | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | heya VDVsx | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | And sybian is something almost completely unrelated, with a much higher user satisfaction ratio. | 21:29 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, hello | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | neekers, supposedly you can use QT on Symbian too (version ^3 onwards), but since this is #maemo, people gave you a answer on how to do it in Maemo | 21:29 |
| * ShadowJK goes work | 21:30 | |
| RST38h | *** #symbian 39 All things Symbian - Just ask, patience is a virtue | 21:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a controller equipped sybian model running some embedded linux | 21:30 | |
| javispedro | AccelerometerGetXAxis() { return rand(); } makes for some fun racing | 21:30 |
| RST38h | better return real value, but add a bit of rand() to it =) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Openembedded for Sybain" X-P | 21:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: #symbian -- only 39 users? O.o | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sybian* | 21:31 |
| javispedro | you wouldn't though it was suposedly the best selling smartphone platform in the entire known universe | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, that pys60 thing that's top download on garage.maemo (wtf?) is a Symbian thing :-) | 21:32 |
| maybeHere | yeah well... http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=symbian&word2=sybian | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: @me? | 21:34 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, nothing. | 21:34 |
| javispedro | also. going out, cya. | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya :-D | 21:34 |
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| tybollt | :-D | 21:35 |
| neekers | do people here use scratchbox a lot when working with maemo? this is a problem that i'm actually working on right now. i am trying to compile glib into mach-o files instead of elf files and having a hard time doing that. i have been able to compile them into elf using scratchbox 2 and codesourcery... | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas you have to, usually | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SB is a PITA | 21:36 |
| neekers | it is... | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | check MADDE | 21:37 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: well, the size of a freenode community is probably more related to the open-ness of things | 21:37 |
| neekers | there is a very small scratchbox channel but not a lot of action there and i noticed the scratchbox source code is on the maemo website | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SB is discontinued AIUI | 21:38 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: sorry, i mishighlighted | 21:38 |
| BCMM | since javispedro had left | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ETAB :-) | 21:38 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmm anyone fancy giving me a little quick up the ass (help?) in c++/qt? | 21:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | hopefully an easy one :) | 21:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: ? :) :) | 21:39 |
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| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y, you need help, not sure it's in C++ though. /b/ can help you. | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | In my infinite wisdom i am trying threading :P | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | got two lines as follows | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | m_thread = new MyThread(); | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | connect(m_thread, SIGNAL( updateLabel( QString ) ), SLOT( onUpdateLabel( QString ) ) ); | 21:41 |
| RST38h | you are trying threading it WHERE??? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly C++, but... http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Creating_GUI_Applications_with_PyQt_and_Qt_Designer | 21:41 |
| neekers | ShadowJK: thank you for explaining the different OSes to me... | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | the error i am getting is 'm_thread' was not declared in this scope | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y, what is thy problem? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | NoobL Have you declared it? | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | but i thought i was declaring it in teh first line? | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | m_thread = new MyThread(); ? | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y, MyThread m_thread = new MyThread(); ? | 21:42 |
| RST38h | NoobL no, that is assignment | 21:42 |
| RST38h | NoobL you need declaration | 21:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh! | 21:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | crashandies example has given me a bugger load of errors lol | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | :P | 21:43 |
| crashanddie | you're welcome. | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) :) :) | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | like t_m_Thread m_thread = new MyThread() | 21:43 |
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| crashanddie | at least I solved his problem | 21:43 |
| crashanddie | He doesn't have "m_thread was not declared in this scope" error anymore. | 21:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'm assuming crashanddie's should work? or am i looking at another way of declaring? | 21:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | :P true! | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, crashanddie told it before | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: that's a real programming language - you need type defs for each var you gonna use :-P | 21:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: thanks i think, i just dont understand the answers i'm getting lol :P | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | int i; i = 5 / 2; vs: real r; r = 5 / 2; | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok, so, what crash and die said was right? | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | or is there another way to declare it? | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, assuming MyThread is a defined typedef | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | like int, or real, or char | 21:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | :| | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | programming is fun | 21:50 |
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| Noobmonk3y | programming is fainful! | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y, you inherited some kind of Qt thread, right? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, im my less ambiguous example above: t_m_Thread is a valid typedef for a var holding an object of type of MyThread() | 21:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok think i got it | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y, you have a class called MyThread? | 21:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | added QThread* m_thread; in the header | 21:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | and yes i do :) | 21:52 |
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| Noobmonk3y | class = http://pastebin.com/uPExbez3 | 21:52 |
| crashanddie | ok, is m_thread a property of another class, or just a local variable? | 21:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | ignore the //'s was playing | 21:52 |
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| Noobmonk3y | local , erm i think | 21:53 |
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| crashanddie | paste your whole code pliz | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | class MyThread : public QThread | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Qthread is the type of var you need to hold an object of class MyThread | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | Noobmonk3y: that looks correct | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo ty ieat | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | only 2 smaller errors now | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | you would use that class as this: MyThread *instance = new MyThread; | 21:54 |
| Venemo_N810 | hi guys | 21:55 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, hardly | 21:55 |
| ieatlint | Noobmonk3y: the updateLabel() function declaration should be in a different section | 21:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | eeeek should it? | 21:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | you mean onUpdateLabel? | 21:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's a signal | 21:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | yeah OnUpdateLabel is elsewhere | 21:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | tis in the gui class | 21:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | the variable updatelabel is there though | 21:56 |
| ieatlint | it should have the keyword "signals:" on the line above it | 21:56 |
| ieatlint | like how the word "public:" is | 21:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh! | 21:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok not got one of them | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the SIGNAL/SLOT concept is nice, but not easily to understand on first take | 21:56 |
| ieatlint | indeed | 21:57 |
| Noobmonk3y | agreed | 21:57 |
| ieatlint | anything in the "signals:" section should be declared as a function, but not defined | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not easy to, or not easily understood | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Doc: Feels easy enough to me | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Doc: Actually exists in GTK too | 21:58 |
| ieatlint | nah, gtk's is different | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | to me as well, but I've seen lots of people not getting the basic concept | 21:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 21:58 |
| * Noobmonk3y doesnt get it lol | 21:58 | |
| RST38h | Now, all the funny limitations Qt applies to it may be difficult to understand | 21:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | and if qtcreator let me up this to GIT, i would :P | 21:59 |
| BCMM | if i find that after many minutes of not actively using my wireless network, my n900 appears to be connected to it but cannot actually ping anything, does that mean that I have one of those routers with a buggy implementation of power-saving? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Noob: YOu should probably start by learning generic C++, not Qt | 21:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | RST38h: meh yeah, thats time :( | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Noob: Once you know what a "declaration" is, things will get easier | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes | 21:59 |
| ieatlint | learning generic c++ doesn't help with the signals/slots | 21:59 |
| ieatlint | that's qt specific | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a generic bus- or client/server concept basically | 22:00 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: learing generic c++ helps learning Qt | 22:01 |
| ieatlint | well, if you learn qt before c++, going to c++ will be a bitch once you realise all the weird shit qt tacks on top | 22:01 |
| RST38h | because Qt is a C++ framework | 22:01 |
| ieatlint | yeah | 22:01 |
| ieatlint | it's like this hacked c++ with its own preprocessors and such :P | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's insane to learn Qt without profunf C++ knowledge, as is learning C++ without knowing shit about C | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | ieatlint: if i put it under signals, my new error is undefined reference to 'MyThread::updatelabel(Qstring)' | 22:02 |
| derf | It's like learning GTK instead of learning C. | 22:02 |
| derf | It makes no snes. | 22:02 |
| RST38h | definitely does not make any snes. | 22:02 |
| ieatlint | Noobmonk3y: capitalisation | 22:02 |
| RST38h | nes too =) | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | sorry | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | updateLabel | 22:03 |
| derf | n64? | 22:03 |
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| Noobmonk3y | the error was right ;) | 22:03 |
| neekers | thats very profunf... :) | 22:03 |
| ieatlint | err, so the error is still there with the correct capitalisation you mean? | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup | 22:03 |
| ieatlint | repaste code then | 22:04 |
| ieatlint | or update that pastebin.. | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | neekers: that's my typo! give it back! | 22:04 |
| neekers | heh | 22:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/c5vCFMwm | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: updating pastebins seems doesn't work like expected | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe | 22:05 |
| RST38h | n32! | 22:05 |
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| pupnik | hah "whenever you see a man who is well groomed you can be sure he's not gettin any" - niles | 22:05 |
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| ieatlint | Noobmonk3y: where is that error occuring? does it reference any files other than the one holding the MyThread class? | 22:06 |
| ieatlint | or does the error follow up with a statement like "candidates:" | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | it is coming from that function | 22:06 |
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| Noobmonk3y | void updateLabel( QString str ); is squiggly underlined | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | when i hover over it says 'You forgot the Q_OBJECT macro' | 22:07 |
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| ieatlint | ooooh | 22:07 |
| RST38h | You forgot Q_OBJECT mactothen. | 22:07 |
| RST38h | It should occur right after class { | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol RST38h | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | hehe | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | nah, he's right | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | Its like learning to be a mechanic in chinese, starting with the hardest words first lol | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | first line of the class should be "Q_OBJECT" | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | no semicolon required | 22:07 |
| RST38h | But I still think, Noob, that you are doing something you ought not | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Learn C++ FIRST. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | No, really. | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | THEN fiddle with Qt. | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | lmfao! | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | not to you to my errors | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | well i'm learning as i go, except for threading lol | 22:08 |
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| * RST38h glances at the TV where a huge octopus is feasting on a diver | 22:08 | |
| Noobmonk3y | wanna get this working, then it should be easier :P | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok hopefully last error, now squiggly has gone! | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | do you know any other programming languages? | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | No, it will not get easier. | 22:09 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 22:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | python, VB, Assembly(ish), ADA, Pascal | 22:09 |
| RST38h | It will just get more and more confusing. Believe me, I have been through this. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, forgot for what. yw BCMM | 22:09 |
| trumee | 1800 nokia jobs to go. booohooo | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | you may want to look at pyqt | 22:09 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: wireless power-saving stupidness | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmm i have done pyqt | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | previous version of what i'm designing was done in it | 22:10 |
| RST38h | 1:0 for the Tentacled One | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I see lags of up to 60s here | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | the C++ is meant to be the new better healthcheck | 22:10 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: also referring to stuff quite a while ago, how would you recommend learning the C++ required for Qt? | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Continue using PyQT then | 22:10 |
| RST38h | *OR* learn damn C++. Without Qt. | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh meh meh | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | mehhhhhhhhhh | 22:11 |
| RST38h | meh indeedy | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I usually suggest starting with C or assembler, then move on to C++ naturally | 22:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | I dont have 2 years, the n900 will be gone by then lol | 22:11 |
| ieatlint | starting with assembler? :P | 22:11 |
| BCMM | i mean, what materials? | 22:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | i did lol | 22:11 |
| ieatlint | that's a bit overkill | 22:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | but assembler and n900.... might take a while | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: or modula :-P | 22:11 |
| ieatlint | i learnt c, then c++ | 22:11 |
| ieatlint | made c++ just a big discussion about OOP and how c++ does it | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | well even C might work, as long as you keep away from actual code | 22:12 |
| ieatlint | and a lot of "remember how you used to malloc stuff? stop that" | 22:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: a bad advice | 22:12 |
| ieatlint | well, not a rule :P | 22:13 |
| derf | No, allocating memory is generally a bad idea in any case. | 22:13 |
| ieatlint | but using the c++ methods is safer and saner | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | a better advice would be "you're doing malloc implicitly now, which makes it a bit more obfuscated sometimes" | 22:13 |
| derf | ieatlint: Hahahaha. | 22:13 |
| derf | ieatlint: That is a good one. | 22:13 |
| ieatlint | derf: :P | 22:13 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm still a c guy... if it weren't for this qt crap, i'd still happily be there swearing at gtk | 22:14 |
| derf | Swearing at GTK... it's the way things should be. | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's nothing worse than a coder with no clue what's going on at assembler / plain c malloc et al level, when he's juggling with those friggin objects | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why C++ actually becomes a lame language | 22:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | holy fucksocks | 22:16 |
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| Noobmonk3y | i fixed the error! | 22:16 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i admittedly don't like c++ doing it all for me... feels lazy, and i'm just trusting it's not unnecessarily duping mem and that it frees it automatically way too much | 22:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | moved the run function up into the top part :) | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | the syntax errors or the semantic ones as well? :-P | 22:16 |
| ieatlint | with c, i know exactly what was going on | 22:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | time to test! | 22:16 |
| ieatlint | and i'm still depressed when i am asked in an interview what's wrong with this function: int blah() { int i = 5; return &i; } | 22:17 |
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| ieatlint | and they tell me most people get it wrong | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok, runs fine, but now object connect error on the connect slot lol | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha rotfl | 22:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | Object::connect: No such slot hcMainWindow::onUpdateLabel( QString ) in hcmainwindow.cpp:49 | 22:18 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lols | 22:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | its like kiss chase c++ stylee | 22:18 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: i've heard it several times ... it sounds like a joke, it's not | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 22:18 |
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| ieatlint | and of the two major things wrong on that, apparently some people will actually use int to pass pointer addresses | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Code monkeys are a dime a dozen. | 22:19 |
| ieatlint | and it will actually work... sometimes.. on some systems | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Hey, if it works, right? :D | 22:19 |
| ieatlint | haha, kinda the problem | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's returning a pointer to neverland | 22:20 |
| ieatlint | "hey, it didn't error, it must be right!" | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 22:20 |
| T_X- | sorry, one beginners question. is the extras-devel repository and the freemantle distribution the same as freemantle-1.3? | 22:20 |
| T_X- | and if I added extras-devel, should I deactivate extras then? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: honestly looks like a POC for a stack based exploit :-P | 22:22 |
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| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: apparently most poeple who apply for programming jobs don't know terms like stack or heap | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the ugly thing with C: you can do it, and nobody will complain - well maybe lint | 22:22 |
| ieatlint | and "learn" pointers on a trial and error process | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:23 |
| RST38h | most people who apply for programming jobs do not even know how computer works | 22:23 |
| ieatlint | which is to say, just keep adding or removing & and * until it compiles and doesn't segfault right away | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keeping the segfaulting for later | 22:23 |
| RST38h | but it all does not matter of course, you are being hired on the basis of how meek you are | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: hehe, i've had this nickname since longer than i knew how to program, but it's made me smile thanks to lint | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | i'm actually known as "lint" by some friends in real life, who were kind enough to buy me a copy of the lint book circa 1980-something | 22:24 |
| Goliath24 | is there some place where you can have "online virtual machines"? | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | lots of places | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, like in... ? | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Goliath24: Yes: http://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ | 22:25 |
| ieatlint | amazon ec2, gogrid, and probably a few thousand smaller companies | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | download wm-images? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | vm* | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cloud computing? | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, that's the scary thing I've found in a lot of people in computer science and engineering tracks. | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | They know jack shit about computers and electronics. | 22:26 |
| Goliath24 | RST38h: hehe | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a vserver? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | GAN: scares the shit out of me every time I interview them =( | 22:26 |
| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: "cloud computing" I guess. but I'm not a buzzword expert | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | amazon and google iirc | 22:27 |
| ieatlint | well, the sad thing is that i know this shit, and can't seem to get a job programming | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | ieatlint: not meek enough | 22:27 |
| Goliath24 | thing is, my daughter is sleeping in the room with the desktop pc, so I need some virtual machine to install scratchbox on, my laptop doesn't have enough space, and its a bit tiring to wait for the autobuilder queue on each iteration.. | 22:27 |
| Goliath24 | is it free? amazon and google? | 22:28 |
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| ieatlint | RST38h: eh, more an issue of lack of professional programming experience and no degree | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 22:29 |
| Goliath24 | ieatlint: where are you located? ;) | 22:29 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: get a freaking degree, BS in CS shouldn't be that hard | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Germany here - as ieatlint 's problem applies to me as well :-P | 22:29 |
| ieatlint | bah, i've given up on school... i don't need to go read more classic english literature and write some essays about it | 22:29 |
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| ieatlint | i'm in california | 22:30 |
| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: I work at siemens and we could use some good ppl! ;) | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, been at Siemes several times for different jobs | 22:30 |
| Goliath24 | unfortunately i'm not in the position to make decisions. :) | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Geraetewerk Erlangen CIM | 22:30 |
| Goliath24 | ah. | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | for example | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | long ago | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | those good old M70 | 22:31 |
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| Goliath24 | M70 a gun?! ;) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:32 |
| Goliath24 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/buliscores/0.0.2-3/ | 22:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | w000p ieatlint no errors, it runs :) - but does nothing lol | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html | 22:32 |
| Goliath24 | why don't I see the file. it says build succeeded | 22:32 |
| ieatlint | Noobmonk3y: congrats, you've solved the complicated noop | 22:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe! | 22:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | ish! | 22:32 |
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| ieatlint | Goliath24: and btw, if you want to look at virtualisation, they typically charge by the hour | 22:33 |
| ieatlint | if i recall right, amazon ec2 is $0.19/hr | 22:33 |
| Goliath24 | ieatlint: I thought more of "free" :) | 22:34 |
| ieatlint | yeah, good luck with that :P | 22:34 |
| Goliath24 | ieatlint: but thanks for the info! | 22:34 |
| Goliath24 | I will create a VM on an usb disk or so | 22:34 |
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| Goliath24 | for now the autobuilder works okay, I just want to fix my widget so that it installs at least -.- | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: You can always tak women's studies classes instead =) | 22:34 |
| RST38h | take | 22:35 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: i don't hate myself that much | 22:35 |
| ieatlint | too many hippies in this area... a class like that would be too painful | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath24: who's "we" regarding Siemens? UBxy? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | location? | 22:36 |
| Goliath24 | UBxy? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | UnernehmensBereich, like UBMED | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably obsolete terms | 22:37 |
| ieatlint | Goliath24: well, you might be able to find someone who will offer you a shell account on their server with a toolchain | 22:37 |
| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: it's Healthcare. a small development site near frankfurt. formally part of a company called "dade behring" | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | dade, like michael dade? | 22:38 |
| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: probably not. dade behring was bought in 2007 by siemens and I still don't have a clue about siemens termonology! | 22:38 |
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| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: michael dade? dunno. behring like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Adolf_von_Behring | 22:39 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: history classes then | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | ieatlint: plenty of carnage, betrayal, and other irony | 22:39 |
| Goliath24 | ieatlint: I have a server myself. I could install it there. might be an idea. not tonight, though. I think I prefer a virtualbox or vm | 22:40 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: not really a realistic option for many different reasons... i'll manage | 22:40 |
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| Venemo_N810 | is there an "open in new window" in Diablo's Microb? | 22:41 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure I didn't read any classic English literature in college. | 22:41 |
| * RST38h actually did, believe it or not | 22:42 | |
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| derf | Though the English class I did take was one of the most valuable of all my undergrad classes. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Faerie Queene etc | 22:42 |
| * thopiekar cant beleave that the developtment on carman has stopped.. | 22:42 | |
| Goliath24 | DocScrutinizer: behring diagnostic was bought by Dade before and before that all was höchst :) | 22:42 |
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| Goliath24 | we have ppl there that changed their company name 4 times without leaving their office. strange ... | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath24: probably m uncle Michael at UBMED is just a coincidence | 22:43 |
| Goliath24 | :) | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | though he's been involved in MRT development a lot | 22:44 |
| thopiekar | carman is a great software.. i'll get in the next days from hong kong a odb2 bt device that costs less then 20euro | 22:44 |
| Goliath24 | ah, yes. MRT is an older siemens business. now they bought the rest of things that could be needed in an hospital for diagnostics (bayer, DPC, Dade Behring) | 22:45 |
| RST38h | A routine flight in the Democratic Republic of Congo turned deadly when a crocodile escaped from a passenger's duffle bag. According to the flight's sole human survivor, panicking passengers fled into the cockpit and caused the pilot to lose control. | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, yeah, I agree with you, but you gotta do it anyway. | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | One of those stupid gatekeeping things you gotta do. | 22:46 |
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| thopiekar | how can i switch between channels in irssi? | 22:47 |
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| thopiekar | via /j? | 22:47 |
| ieatlint | /win N | 22:48 |
| ieatlint | or alt+n | 22:48 |
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| ieatlint | or mod2+n | 22:48 |
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| Myrtti | ctrl-n ctrl-p ctrl-a works too | 22:48 |
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| thopiekar | thanks | 22:49 |
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| Venemo_N810 | hm | 22:57 |
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| Venemo_N810 | why is OpenTTD not launching on the N810? | 22:58 |
| thopiekar | whats says the xterm? | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/10/21/1830212/Open-Source-Friendly-Smartphones-For-the-Small-Office | 23:04 |
| lcuk | is this something for our n900 ^ | 23:05 |
| BCMM | slashdot is odd today | 23:05 |
| BCMM | i think they're redesigning it again | 23:05 |
| BCMM | lcuk: "synchronize easily with the calendars and contact data on each owner's desktop machine"? | 23:06 |
| BCMM | we can do that now? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | idk,canwe | 23:06 |
| BCMM | last i looked sync was basically a bit broken | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, then show/tell/writeup where its broken and see what can be done on the meego side | 23:09 |
| BCMM | lcuk: i can't really remember now | 23:09 |
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| BCMM | all i can really remember is that, at the time, there didn't seem to be a way to sync easily with KDEPIM | 23:10 |
| BCMM | ah well, i'm a fanboy so i'll still spend all my mod points on people promoting the n900 | 23:10 |
| Venemo_N810 | mod points? | 23:11 |
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| BCMM | Venemo_N810: slashdot's moderation system works by giving people like me 5 "mod points" occasionally | 23:13 |
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| sivang | hey ArGGu^^ , how is your app going? | 23:13 |
| Venemo_N810 | BCMM, ah, okay | 23:13 |
| BCMM | which can be used to modify a post's score | 23:13 |
| sivang | ArGGu^^: you have a special nick that is hard to forget | 23:13 |
| BCMM | it means mods don't power-trip and dominate a conversation | 23:13 |
| Venemo_N810 | is it like stackoverflow? | 23:13 |
| BCMM | Venemo_N810: i don't know | 23:14 |
| Venemo_N810 | k | 23:15 |
| BCMM | Venemo_N810: it's quite a complex system, tuned over the years to rapidly hide trolls and spam while making moderation abuse difficult | 23:15 |
| Venemo_N810 | I dunno, never been on that site yet | 23:15 |
| BCMM | posts have a score, and most users choose not to see low-scored posts | 23:15 |
| corecode | does anybody have ideas how to find out why the jabber voice talk might suddenly stop working | 23:15 |
| Venemo_N810 | but it sounds like StackOverlow | 23:16 |
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| BCMM | a algorithm that depends on quite a few things decides who gets mod points, and mod points each influence a post's score by +/-1 | 23:16 |
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| sivang | BCMM: there is going to be a way, an akonadi backend already exists, part of SoC project with a very nice guy I'm working with to develop a pure Qt UI so it might be included somewhere somehow in meego | 23:20 |
| sivang | BCMM: let me find you his blog for posts and updates | 23:20 |
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| sivang | BCMM: http://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/ | 23:21 |
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| ArGGu^^ | sivang I have not had any time to continue coding the app, but I going to try find some time this weekend | 23:36 |
| ArGGu^^ | Too much school work :S | 23:36 |
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| ArGGu^^ | And i have little problem to figure out how I'm going to make the hidden channel/names lists that can be unhide with sweep | 23:39 |
| corecode | geez, what is going on with jabber voice | 23:39 |
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| corecode | aha. | 23:58 |
| corecode | i think google messed something up | 23:58 |
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