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| javispedro | :) | 00:00 |
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| logisist | being it runs on Linux, it would be cool to have different users | 00:01 |
| logisist | one user I could have as all my work foo, the other for my personal life | 00:01 |
| logisist | and they wouldn't have to be logged in simultaneously, but I would like for them to have SSH ability | 00:01 |
| kerio | wait, how do i get an xterm on the n900 from my host | 00:02 |
| kerio | what should i set DISPLAY to? | 00:03 |
| javispedro | ssh should work | 00:04 |
| kerio | it doesn't | 00:04 |
| kerio | neither way | 00:04 |
| javispedro | it does here, did you read the above? | 00:05 |
| javispedro | basically use -Y instead of -X or install xauth first | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | it works both directions, but you'll have more problems with server=desktop client=n900 apps | 00:06 |
| javispedro | because of maemo-launcher. | 00:06 |
| javispedro | (third party apps usually work fine) | 00:06 |
| kerio | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. | 00:07 |
| alterego | I wonder what Nokia were thinking when they came up with meego touch framework | 00:07 |
| kerio | fucker | 00:07 |
| alterego | All this M classes make me feel dizzy | 00:07 |
| kerio | hey, fapman worked | 00:07 |
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| kerio | this is cool | 00:07 |
| kerio | oh shit i don't have a mouse cursor | 00:07 |
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| kerio | lol | 00:08 |
| javispedro | to be expected =) | 00:08 |
| yacc | Well, setting a virtual desktop of 800x800, the allowed maximum immediatly just provoked a shutdown of the n900 :( | 00:09 |
| kerio | ok, i assume os x is being a dickhead in this situation | 00:09 |
| kerio | i can't get an xterm from my computer to the n900 | 00:10 |
| kerio | what should i set DISPLAY to? | 00:10 |
| javispedro | ssh on n900 should set it for you | 00:10 |
| javispedro | if it doesn't, maybe you're using dropbear? | 00:10 |
| logisist | ugh, dropbear | 00:10 |
| kerio | as a server? | 00:10 |
| logisist | I wish that didn't exist | 00:11 |
| kerio | i... hope not | 00:11 |
| yacc | kerio: you want a host-running xterm on the n900 or a n900-running xterm showing on the host? | 00:11 |
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| kerio | host-running xterm on the n900 | 00:11 |
| kerio | this fucker isn't setting DISPLAY | 00:11 |
| yacc | Well, on the n900 (you can either login per ssh or run it in the Xterm app), do: | 00:11 |
| yacc | ssh -X yourhost xterm | 00:12 |
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| yacc | works great. | 00:12 |
| kerio | well not here | 00:12 |
| yacc | Although it's somehow sick to see a plain xterm on your box. | 00:12 |
| yacc | ssh -X -Y yourhost xterm | 00:12 |
| kerio | still doesn't work | 00:13 |
| kerio | because there's no DISPLAY set | 00:13 |
| kerio | wtf | 00:13 |
| yacc | Then you have x11 forwarding disabled on your host's sshd_config. | 00:13 |
| kerio | meh, fucking steve jobs | 00:13 |
| yacc | it's the default nowadays. | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | kerio: tread carefully | 00:14 |
| yacc | crashanddie: wy? | 00:14 |
| yacc | Why? | 00:14 |
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| crashanddie | because gratuitiously insulting people is really not a nice thing to do | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | but it's fun! | 00:15 |
| javispedro | ... no, don't =) | 00:15 |
| kerio | yay, it works | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | then do it in /pm if you have to | 00:15 |
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| crashanddie | or go to /b/ | 00:15 |
| yacc | crashanddie: but you have to admit that the forced closed nature of many offerings of the named person's company are irritating. | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | no, they're not | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | now if you wish to troll, go to #defocus | 00:16 |
| kerio | hah, xeyes is awesome | 00:16 |
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| Wizzup | My /home (the 2gb partition still seems to jump in read only mode at times, but I haven't seen this happen to the (bigger) MyDocs partitions. Would it be feasible to swap these two? Making the 18GB ext3 and the 2GB FAT? | 00:28 |
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| Wizzup | It would hopefully work around my issues with the ro /home | 00:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | gitorious down? | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: highly unlikely. Why should swapping two partitions on same physical device cure any unrelated problems with mounting properties you encounter on one of those 2 mounts | 00:43 |
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| Wizzup | Because the MyDocs partition had problems whereas the /home partition randomly jumps into RO mode | 00:44 |
| Wizzup | I figured it would be worth the try, because I return it to the shop. | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | also swapping those 2 is more likely to introduce more problems due to changed partition sequence and hence partition names on phy level | 00:44 |
| Wizzup | I think maemo had a wiki page on how to do it, didn't mention those problems | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | check man mount, for ext2/3 mount options | 00:45 |
| Wizzup | What should I be looking for? I'm not sure what you mean. | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | errors=continue / errors=remount-ro / errors=panic | 00:46 |
| javispedro | either way. | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | then start to investigate your problem, starting there | 00:46 |
| javispedro | if random errors are being introduced in your ext3 partition I would try and guess the cause | 00:46 |
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| javispedro | cause in this year-old n900 I'm yet to get such corruption on either the vfat or ext3 fs... | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's lead you to dmesg, syslog, initscripts with mount commands, and maybe an explanation and solution for your problem | 00:47 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer I tried to alter the mount opts but I didn't succeed. Give me a few minutes to gather some data | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, javispedro | 00:48 |
| javispedro | wow, hard to believe it's been a year already. | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:48 |
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| * javispedro should bake a cacke for the n900 or sth | 00:49 | |
| intelinsider | where can i change the 'secure device' code? | 00:49 |
| javispedro | *cake | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err lockcode? | 00:49 |
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| intelinsider | i press the on/off button and choose 'secure device' | 00:50 |
| javispedro | android 3.0 screeshots leaked, look like meego handset | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | bash: /usr/bin/qmake: cannot execute binary file | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's lock code, and you change it in settings - device_lock | 00:51 |
| intelinsider | ahhh | 00:51 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG51: i386 <-> armel confusion | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | default is 12345 | 00:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, err... | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a chroot | 00:52 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: If you're interested: http://paste.villavu.com/show/66/ line 248 and onwards | 00:52 |
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| Wizzup | javispedro: My n900 is a bit older than a year | 00:53 |
| javispedro | gotta love gentoo: | 00:54 |
| javispedro | :0: assertion failed: (gcc -dumpversion) | getline NEWVER) | 00:54 |
| javispedro | >>> Original instance of package unmerged safely. | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: I think SpeedEvil mentioned a possibly corresponding ticket number here in this chan this afternoon (i.e. some 6..9h ago) | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, the package installed is armel | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | the chroot is on an armel device | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | leme grep chanlog, mompls | 00:55 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG51: check it with file, and also all of the needed .so | 00:55 |
| javispedro | files. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | err - what? | 00:56 |
| * lardman|home hits the sack | 00:56 | |
| MohammadAG51 | well done nokia | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | /usr/bin/qmake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 00:56 |
| lardman|home | night chaps | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the armel package is for i386 | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | how | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | fucking retarded | 00:56 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 00:56 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG51: typical scratchboxism | 00:56 |
| javispedro | or classic. | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | i guess i'll need to compile it by myself, somehow | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, sorry, that's been *completely* unrelated | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 1700:14:00 - unlikely I think - I was outside and cutting hedgerts. | 00:57 |
| Wizzup | ok | 00:57 |
| Wizzup | I think it's just borked | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-19 15:21:25] <SpeedEvil> That's clearly the worst bug. [2010-10-19 15:21:19] <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 | 00:58 |
| povbot | Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:58 |
| javispedro | ok, that's one quite coffee spilling bug report. | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, Wizzup, I think there's some bug in cache/ext2|3/sdio kernel drivers | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: /home and Mydocs are separate partitions on same flash chip, swapping them is highly unlikely to fix your problem | 01:00 |
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| Wizzup | Isn't it possible the hardware just broke? | 01:01 |
| Wizzup | Yeah, I guess swapping won't do much | 01:01 |
| javispedro | well, there was one story about emmc wearing out a few days ago iirc | 01:01 |
| javispedro | even here | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: odds are your hw is broken, yes | 01:01 |
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| Wizzup | been playing with it for two days now | 01:02 |
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| Wizzup | The problem, that is | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are 'good' and 'weak' flash chips, even when all are tested for proper performance when leaving the fab | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a certain percentage of early deaths | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it also could be a glitch in eMMC's bad blocj management, which might get fixed on a complete reflash | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I have my doubts on that, as there's no erase operation involded, just overwrite of some blocks | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: there is always erases. | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It's just they are hidden. | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it's just some sw that spoiled the fs, the drivers, whatnot. Did you use backup-menu? | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ack | 01:05 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: I did two complete reflashes (including eMMC) | 01:05 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: touché, I was trying to mean higher-level erase func, like TRIM or the like | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | each write is an implicit block erase (well, on buffer/cache miss) | 01:05 |
| Wizzup | No, I did no backup restore | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: try creating a file of maximal possible size on /home, eating up and rewriting all the free blocks | 01:06 |
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| Wizzup | I'll probably have to reboot the phone for that. Give me a few minutesd | 01:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: you cannot do anything other than ordinary block operations on the emmc. The erases are hidden behind a curtain. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/bigjunk bs=4M count=500 | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are your device will freeze on that operation. If that happens you ran into a known but yet unsoved bug | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lower your expectations anyway, it's probably a hw bug and no way to fix it on sw level | 01:10 |
| Wizzup | I have no high expectations. :-) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got any warranty I suggest you use it | 01:10 |
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| * javispedro ponders if there are going to be massive emmc failures | 01:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if 2 complete reflashs, without restoring possibly rogue previously installed apps, doesn't help then that's all you can reasonably do as a user | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: print out a uname -a and excerpts of some 2 or 3 syslogs, like the one you pastebined. Nokia service might be happy about it, and chances you won't get back an unfixed device with comment "no defects found" are better | 01:14 |
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| Wizzup | Thanks, will do | 01:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - user steps to reproduce errors. | 01:16 |
| Wizzup | Well, I don't seem to be able to get the fs as RW anymore, so I can't try the dd command. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | mount -o remount,rw fails? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: also, do you have a uSD card inserted? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | (guess no) | 01:18 |
| * javispedro guesses.. if it's failing due to wearout, there's a >random chance that a ext3 journal block fails first | 01:18 | |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: No | 01:18 |
| javispedro | thus instantly breaking after mount -o rw | 01:18 |
| javispedro | s/breaking/ext3_panicking | 01:19 |
| Wizzup | I can't remount it; it claims the device is busy | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | knew that, otherwise your eMMC would be /dev/mmcblk1 during boot afaik | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's in syslog? | 01:19 |
| Wizzup | Just a second | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile, who is savvy enough to find out what's ""error -84 transferring data""? | 01:22 |
| Wizzup | Where is the syslog data saved it? | 01:22 |
| Wizzup | -84 is ERRNO | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: the answer is probably google | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | were was your last one from? | 01:23 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: That was dmesg | python lodgeit.py | 01:23 |
| Wizzup | (a paste script) | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, good enough | 01:23 |
| Wizzup | -84 is an errno value * | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how much I thought, yes | 01:24 |
| Wizzup | 84 EILSEQ Illegal byte sequence | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the corresponding part of source code probably would tell us more | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:25 |
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| ieatlint | that's an interesting error | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | that an endian issue? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll never know without checking the source code | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | endianess most likely not the rot cause | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not* | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | err root* | 01:27 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/mmc/host/omap_hsmmc.c#650 | 01:27 |
| javispedro | status has DATA_CRC bit set => EILSEQ | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | and one would guess DATA_CRC means controller detected CRC failure =) | 01:28 |
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| hawaii_ | So what's this I hear about uh...a leak? | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, CRC failure | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | CRC on bus | 01:29 |
| javispedro | yeah.. hum. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 01:29 |
| javispedro | yes, because there's also CMD_CRC bit, so it has to be bus.. | 01:29 |
| hawaii_ | wtf is the purpose of that? | 01:29 |
| javispedro | there's no match for EILSEQ in ext3 driver, but a lot in mmc layer driver | 01:30 |
| Wizzup | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/MMC_Flash_Memory_Card_Support | 01:31 |
| Wizzup | They also mention it there | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: see javispedro^^^ - it may happen on MyDocs as well, it even may happen on swap partition | 01:34 |
| Wizzup | Yeah, I'm already convinced about returning it. Just grabbing some more information so I can make a decent case | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | either eMMC chip controller or SoC SDIO controller is flaky, or soldering is poor | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (my educated guess) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you OC'd the device? | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though OC induced defects most likely won't show on a 'border' controller, rather somewhere in 'core' | 01:41 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, what is OC? | 01:43 |
| Wizzup | no, no overclocking | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | OverClocking | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 01:43 |
| Wizzup | Had kernel for power users, but only for wifi hotspot | 01:43 |
| Wizzup | Got rid of that quite awhile ago though | 01:43 |
| Wizzup | Time for bed. Thanks for the help! | 01:44 |
| pupnik | any germans here? port this http://zdfmediathk.sourceforge.net/ | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr, and no overclocking though? | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: wtf would I need something related to ZDF mediathek? | 01:45 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: no over clocking. It's disabled by default in power kernel afaik | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:45 |
| pupnik | "Das Programm durchsucht die Mediathek verschiedener Sender (ARD, ZDF, Arte, 3Sat, MDR, NDR, ORF, SF" | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: bad luck, bad chip | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a replacement | 01:46 |
| Freak5 | Do you know if nokia is thinking about replacing the N900 by a new phone. What is the estimated lifetime of the N900? | 01:46 |
| Wizzup | The only ``weird'' thing I ever did on my phone was writing a python app that reads from microphone and writes (every x seconds) the sound. but only if the sound was loud enough (in samples of seconds) | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: aah, hmm. | 01:46 |
| pupnik | oh noo.. it's java? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: sounds not very weird :-D, even sounds useful | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: lol | 01:47 |
| Freak5 | Wizzup: So it worked like an echo? | 01:48 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, and it didn't write *that* often. So I don't think it could have worn the flash out | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | worked like a VOX recorder aiui | 01:48 |
| Wizzup | Freak5: No, it would like... record only sounds (in samples of 1 second) when the sound was louder than an X | 01:48 |
| Wizzup | Say if you were speaking, it would record it. If it is silent, it wouldn't | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: those writes should go to cache anyway | 01:49 |
| Wizzup | I was looking for a VOX for maemo but couldn't find it | 01:49 |
| * Wizzup really afk now :-) | 01:49 | |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 01:49 | |
| Freak5 | Ah, cool, for some reason I missunderstood it and thought you was writing it to the speacer...(no clue why) | 01:49 |
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| obsidieth | im having serious problems getting this skype quality legible | 02:51 |
| obsidieth | even with a new flashed device, wifi power saving settings off at 100MHz, its still cutting out constantly | 02:51 |
| obsidieth | yet works fine form a laptop on the same lan | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 100mW you mean | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:52 |
| obsidieth | er, yes. | 02:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - never played with skype | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | So I don't have anything helpful to say. | 02:53 |
| obsidieth | im dropping back to the non power kernel to see if that makes a difference | 02:53 |
| obsidieth | somehow. | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | obsidieth, the 10mW/100mW setting isn't for power saving. :) | 02:54 |
| obsidieth | that was a separate point | 02:54 |
| obsidieth | the power saving setting is turned off, and its set at 100mW | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 02:55 |
| obsidieth | i assume thats the most skype friendly configuration | 02:55 |
| obsidieth | others have suggested power saving might hurt my quality. | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on your router. | 02:55 |
| obsidieth | its a pretty shoddy dlink. | 02:56 |
| obsidieth | running wpa psk. | 02:56 |
| obsidieth | dsl g604t | 02:56 |
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| hawaii_ | Power Saving should not hurt link quality at all. | 02:57 |
| javispedro | not link quality, but latency | 02:57 |
| hawaii_ | All it does is sleep-cycle after confirmation with the route. | 02:57 |
| hawaii_ | latency, hell yes. | 02:57 |
| obsidieth | what happens | 02:57 |
| obsidieth | is the quality itself is alright, but it drops out every 3/4 seconds for a moment | 02:57 |
| obsidieth | its impossible to actually converse. | 02:57 |
| hawaii_ | the router buffers packets when the device is "asleep". | 02:57 |
| javispedro | high latency => stuttering voip | 02:57 |
| hawaii_ | Yes. | 02:57 |
| obsidieth | ill be damned | 02:58 |
| obsidieth | it seems to be the power kernel | 02:58 |
| obsidieth | even clocked at 1GHz, something in it doesnt play nice with skype. | 02:58 |
| javispedro | it has nothing to do with cpu frequency | 02:59 |
| obsidieth | i thought it might have been pegging the cpu, apparently not | 02:59 |
| obsidieth | should i raise a bug report about this or something? id imagine its nto difficult to reproduce. | 02:59 |
| hawaii_ | I do believe there already is one. | 03:01 |
| obsidieth | i wasnt able to google it, could you point me in the right direction? | 03:01 |
| hawaii_ | Gimme a sec. | 03:04 |
| hawaii_ | I'm not actually sure it's the same issue. | 03:04 |
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| hawaii_ | But some people are having problems with DD-WRT and the power-kernel. | 03:05 |
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| GAN900 | 1GHz? So, uh, how long were you planning on using you N900 for? | 03:06 |
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| obsidieth | just testing if it would change the quality | 03:11 |
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| obsidieth | maybe it couldnt play the audio smoothly i thought | 03:11 |
| obsidieth | ill stick with the standard kernel now | 03:12 |
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| hawaii_ | ... | 03:15 |
| hawaii_ | There's a pulseaudio patch that corrects procpegging. | 03:16 |
| obsidieth | it actually wasnt too bad. little bit high i suppose, just ruling audio decoding out as a source of the stutter | 03:17 |
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| hawaii_ | hm | 03:22 |
| hawaii_ | I think I might patch the double-safety for delete out of Modest. | 03:23 |
| javispedro | bah, N810 battery starting to really wear out now | 03:23 |
| javispedro | 5hour long charging times, <1500mAh top capacity | 03:23 |
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| hawaii_ | I have about 7 BP-4Ls in my drawer here. | 03:25 |
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| javispedro | hah, you think Maemo packagers are sloppy with the bugzilla link? see what packagers do on WebOS! | 03:35 |
| javispedro | Maintainer: N/A <nobody@example.com> Description: This is a webOS application. | 03:35 |
| obsidieth | oh and finally | 03:35 |
| obsidieth | how do you guys do for battery when running a 3g connection + internet | 03:35 |
| javispedro | completely self-descriptive! i'm going to email this nobody guy to complain about a bug.. | 03:35 |
| hawaii_ | Hahah | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell obsidieth about omap-oc | 03:36 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 03:36 |
| infobot | ~pong | 03:36 |
| ieatlint | obsidieth: i do about a 6, maybe a 6.5 | 03:37 |
| obsidieth | hm. do you listen to music while doing so | 03:37 |
| obsidieth | sometimes ill use 3g on the train while listening to some tunes | 03:37 |
| ieatlint | perhaps | 03:37 |
| obsidieth | and be on 60% battery by the time i get to work | 03:37 |
| obsidieth | not sure if its typicval | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | obsidieth: 7h on 3G with IRC, mostly locked screen: battery @ 70% | 03:38 |
| ieatlint | mmmm, burmese food is good | 03:38 |
| obsidieth | hmm. ill seehow i do on the stock kernel instead. | 03:39 |
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| obsidieth | anyone using the facebook chat plugin for conversations? | 03:42 |
| hawaii_ | Yes. | 03:43 |
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| obsidieth | does your list all your offline contacts | 03:44 |
| obsidieth | if you go new im | 03:44 |
| obsidieth | it seems to show my entire friend list | 03:44 |
| obsidieth | as opposed to those whore online | 03:44 |
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| ieatlint | impressive what a missing apostrophe can do | 03:45 |
| obsidieth | mm | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 03:46 |
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| obsidieth | hmm looks like its been asked a few times without an answer. | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | obsidieth: 3G (also 2G) is dynamically attenuating TX power, depending on how much shouting is needed to let the tower hear what you say. This means you can have a variation about factor 30 in the power the modem is using _for same data traffic_. Of course the amount of data also is extremely relevant, basically you get a per-byte power consumption, plus a penalty for each start of a transmission block | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | a completely idle 3G data connection could run from a charged battery for ~300+ hours | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the modem only | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#2G_data.2C_short_pings courtesy SpeedEvil | 04:00 |
| obsidieth | gotcha | 04:00 |
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| obsidieth | also my nano is segfaulting pretty badly. | 04:13 |
| obsidieth | when yo utry and search | 04:13 |
| nox- | .oO(vim wfm...) | 04:14 |
| nox- | :) | 04:14 |
| obsidieth | that wouldnt be efnet nox would it. | 04:14 |
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| nox- | well i have more -s there... | 04:15 |
| obsidieth | heh, maybe not then. | 04:16 |
| nox- | :) | 04:16 |
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| Psi | whats the biggest microsd you can put in the n900 16 or 32gb? | 04:38 |
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| ieatlint_ | there are 32gb microsd cards? | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | huh, that's new | 04:38 |
| Psi | i thought there were, maybe i was wrong | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | nah, just looked, there are | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | i dunno... i imagine a 32gb would work, but don't take that as any kind of authoritive answer | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | looks like the top out at class 4 now though, that's pretty damn slow | 04:38 |
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| Psi | how slow is that | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | well, they go up to class 10 | 04:38 |
| ieatlint_ | i don't have specific io figures for you though | 04:38 |
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| cehteh | obsidieth: there is a nano update which fixes that iirc | 04:38 |
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| ieatlint | good ol' reliable freenode | 04:38 |
| obsidieth | hmm. well i just isntalled it today cehteh | 04:38 |
| obsidieth | the update isnt in the repository? | 04:38 |
| ieatlint | for those of us who had any nostalgia for efnet | 04:38 |
| nox- | or: stupid kids? | 04:38 |
| cehteh | maybe devel or testing | 04:38 |
| cehteh | nano-opt is the package name | 04:38 |
| obsidieth | ah. ok | 04:38 |
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| hawaii_ | riiiight. | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc 32G were tested and worked. And yes, of course there are 32G, since almost half a year | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik class == MB/s | 05:16 |
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| andrewfblack | builder is taking for every tonight | 08:25 |
| * RST38h yawns | 08:27 | |
| RST38h | PR1.3? | 08:27 |
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| TermanaN900 | morning andrewfblack and RST38h | 08:28 |
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| andrewfblack | morning TermanaN900 | 08:32 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h: I was just about to joke about PR 1.3 would be out before my software got built | 08:32 |
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| eish1 | hi all | 09:11 |
| eish1 | i've been borrowed an N900 for a few days. is there a way to zoom in on a picture in the photos apllication? | 09:12 |
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| TermanaN900 | eish1, have you tried with the volume rocker or circle right on screen? | 09:14 |
| eish1 | thanks :) | 09:14 |
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| eish1 | volume rocker does it. circlin didn't work | 09:15 |
| eish1 | i might just get my friend to sell me the phone | 09:16 |
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| sejo | hmm each time i try to add a sharing account I get an internal error :Settings closed | 09:53 |
| sejo | anyone knoms what that's about? | 09:53 |
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| sejo | bleh no useable twitpic (or alternative) bleh the n900 is failing a lot lately | 10:15 |
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| vis_ | oh crap | 10:24 |
| vis_ | got boot loop | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hah-ha | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:24 |
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| visz | halted while doind normal software update, and removing the battery did not do any good | 10:25 |
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| mece | sejo, huh? My twitpic works just fine.. | 10:26 |
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| sejo | mece: I cannot sign in on the n900 (but don't have a twitpic account as i login through twitter) | 10:27 |
| sejo | so should be able to provide the twitter credentials right? | 10:28 |
| mece | hmm | 10:28 |
| mece | yes | 10:28 |
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| mece | let's see.. | 10:28 |
| mece | ok sent now.. | 10:28 |
| mece | hmm | 10:28 |
| mece | tadaa: http://twitpic.com/2z75xt | 10:29 |
| mece | works just fine. | 10:29 |
| sejo | alsways get Internal Error: Settings closed | 10:29 |
| mece | what are you using? | 10:30 |
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| sejo | twitpic shsaring plugin | 10:30 |
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| mece | I use twitter sharing plugin | 10:30 |
| mece | I think | 10:30 |
| sejo | (witter just doesn't send through twitpic) | 10:30 |
| mece | I've never used witters twitpic option | 10:30 |
| sejo | i'll searh the sharing | 10:30 |
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| mece | yep, twitter sharing plugin | 10:31 |
| mece | it uses oauth | 10:31 |
| mece | it's in ovi | 10:31 |
| mece | I think | 10:31 |
| sejo | k | 10:31 |
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| sejo | i witched back to the base theme also, read that themes might give issues | 10:32 |
| mece | sejo, this one: http://store.ovi.com/content/24018 | 10:32 |
| mece | wait.. maybe not. I'm, not sure. | 10:33 |
| mece | yeah must be that one | 10:34 |
| sejo | i'll install it | 10:34 |
| sejo | thx mece | 10:34 |
| sejo | still lately my n900 is letting me down.. | 10:35 |
| mece | mine's getting better every day :) | 10:36 |
| sejo | mine not bad battery | 10:37 |
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| alterego | I've been working on MeeGo recently and am becoming quite overwhelmed by how cool the N900 is :) | 10:40 |
| mece | heh, erection is trending on twitter | 10:40 |
| mece | alterego, no shit! | 10:41 |
| sejo | alterego: i found meego very slow on the n900 | 10:41 |
| sejo | (until 3 weeks ago) | 10:41 |
| sejo | took ages to boot and the backpanel issue was a drag! | 10:41 |
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| mece | sejo, you can hardly compare todays meego to yesterday, so 3 weeks ago slowness means nothing. | 10:41 |
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| alterego | Yeah, it's not lightening fast, but it's quite cool how far its' come. | 10:41 |
| alterego | I've got a crosscompilation tool chain setup and have been writing some meego touch fw apps | 10:42 |
| sejo | I have issues testing as i'm on 64bit without multilib (so no working flasher :/) | 10:43 |
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| sejo | bleh installed your plugin and when pressing using existing aggount I get the Internal error again :/ | 10:44 |
| sejo | seriously what's going on? | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
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| alterego | Hey Jaffa | 10:48 |
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| dreamer | hmm, I changed my default browser, but now links from the terminal don't open | 10:50 |
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| sejo | hmm something is seriously broken :/ | 11:07 |
| sejo | can't even mount the storage anymore on my pc | 11:07 |
| sejo | settings dialog fails all the time | 11:07 |
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| sejo | doing a backup and will reinstall the bugger | 11:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | I have sort of found a trick to making sure that it will allow remounting of the device's filesystem (namely /home/user/MyDocs) and it works on linux. In most cases it should work with using the same command for every time before one physically disconnects the cable | 11:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | though the safest (and slowest) way is to use via pc suite + USB networking route. | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | hi there | 11:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | I can't wait to get my otto commuter case, it will come tomorrow in my timezone. After that I'll need to purchase a new keypad for n900 (backspace key has lost some of the paint and the LED light can be partially seen) | 11:32 |
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| hrw | who tried that 'leaked' pr1.3 image? | 11:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | ~pr1.3 | 11:33 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 11:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | To be honest, its not worth trying | 11:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | Nothing's fixed in it, really | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | hrw, me | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | RobbieThe1st, not really | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | it has fixes | 11:34 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG51: something worthy? | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | But none of the big stuff, like any BME enhancements, nor any new QT version(?) | 11:35 |
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| hrw | RobbieThe1st: new Qt is in extras-devel | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, but not in PR1.3, right? | 11:36 |
| hrw | so what? | 11:36 |
| hrw | RobbieThe1st: if application developer needs 4.7 then it is available | 11:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | So... why not just use PR1.2 + extras devel? Why risk the PR1.3 image is it's not useful? | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: why not | 11:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | uh...? | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | Robbie: there is no reaosn to risk installing a leaked pr1.3 image | 11:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | AND THAT'S MY POINT! | 11:37 |
| RST38h | Robbie: So, by all means, DO NOT install it | 11:37 |
| hrw | I remember leaked pr1.2 and it was worth installing compared to pr1.1 | 11:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | >.< I try to dissuade somebody from installing a leaked PR1.3 image, and I get told not to install it. | 11:38 |
| RST38h | and then everyone who did had to reflash | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Robbie: Because you should not persuade/dissuade other people | 11:38 |
| hrw | RST38h: no, I dist-upgraded | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | Problem with trying newer firmware is that your modem gets updated. | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | So you can't go back. | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | I believe leaked firmwares should only be left to power users :p | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | The modem? | 11:38 |
| RST38h | hrw: bold. | 11:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | ..? Why not? | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Yes, so worst case you flash older version and you only have a tablet. | 11:39 |
| * RST38h believes 90% current "power users" should stop believing themselves power users =) | 11:39 | |
| RobbieThe1st | IMHO, a power user is someone who is willing to reflash their N900 if something goes wrong... WITHOUT complaining about it. | 11:40 |
| RST38h | no :) | 11:40 |
| hrw | RobbieThe1st: no, it is just good user | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | But you can't go back from newer firmware most of the time. That is the problem ;) | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: well, i think you can build your own fiasco image with old modem firmware | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | anyways, i have fast mirror for pr1.3 | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: I think there are checks? | 11:41 |
| hrw | jacekowski: not fiasco image. you can build rootfs image | 11:41 |
| * Khertan believe 90% current "developper" should stop believing themselves developpers ... | 11:41 | |
| toggles | how come MOUNTS_OK isn't? | 11:41 |
| hrw | Khertan: you mean nokia ones or maemo ones? | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: checks are only done by nolo to stop downgrading modem firmware | 11:42 |
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| Corsac | ok, I definitely hate addressbook syncs | 11:42 |
| Khertan | hrw, not only in the maemo context ... 90% of the world developper populations | 11:42 |
| Corsac | it never goes well :/ | 11:42 |
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| Khertan | to explain a bit i'm currently debugging a source code from one of our partner with 45 if/else included block | 11:42 |
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| Khertan | i ll rewrite it ... | 11:43 |
| hrw | Khertan: send it to daily wtf | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: and i think there is nothing to stop it from keeping it at the same version | 11:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | With a switch? | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: or you can just do rootfs flash | 11:43 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: I thought there were more parts requiring a certain version though. | 11:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, you're back! | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | wb | 11:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hrw, pulseaudio | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's about it | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | Qt 4.7 has a broken QTextBrowser | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | black text on black background | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Yes I am, have been for a few days though ;) | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: well, i'm not sure about firmware and call-ui and stuff there | 11:45 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: but during flashing there is nothing that would break things | 11:45 |
| hrw | MohammadAG51: Qt 4.7 on maemo5 you mean? | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | hrw, yes | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: afaik, you don't have any gsm functionality if you mix. | 11:45 |
| hrw | MohammadAG51: reported bug? | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: but that makes upgrade safe | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | hrw, not supported | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: so if there are problems you can go back easily | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Sure, only your phone is useless ;) | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: and if it's working you can upgrade modem firmware and have gsm | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | hrw, i'll get a wontfix, or a kick from DocScrutinizer | 11:46 |
| TermanaN900 | Yeah, yet another design flaw. Who in the hell designed it so that you couldn't downgrade the radio | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | TermanaN900: No, that is by design. | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | TermanaN900: everybody | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | TermanaN900: That is how you normally break simlocks :) | 11:50 |
| TermanaN900 | X-Fade, yeah that's a "feature" | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | TermanaN900: you can't downgrade modem firmware in any phone i know of | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | well, you can do it in n900 probably | 11:51 |
| TermanaN900 | jacekowski, I can downgrade my Desire's modem | 11:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | I guess you just need to change the FW version on your old firmware to do it... | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | via f-bus/m-bus | 11:51 |
| Corsac | it's not a phone, it's a mobile computer! | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: and sign it | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: rapuyama is basicaly an omap 2 or 3 with m-shield | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Corsac: Then just pull your sim out and ignore the whole thing | 11:52 |
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| jacekowski | so flashing firmware into rapuyama isn't a problem | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | it's making it run | 11:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I suppose so | 11:54 |
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| TermanaN900 | Corsac, 111!!!111!! | 11:55 |
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| andrewfblack | any idea why this is failing, I havn't done a theme in a while, I've tried using my old file and I remade the files to build package and I get the same error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maemo-org_2.0-3/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 12:05 |
| TermanaN900 | I haven't mentioned closed source speaker protection yet. | 12:05 |
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| TermanaN900 | I think I might make a blog post | 12:06 |
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| X-Fade | andrewfblack: probably you have a broken debian/control file. | 12:07 |
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| andrewfblack | anything changed in a while to make control file change? | 12:08 |
| andrewfblack | I havn't done a theme since before pr 1.2 | 12:08 |
| TermanaN900 | I could make it - 10 things I hate and 10 things I love about the n900. I could put ads on the side and make some money and for such controversy I might see hits skyrocket | 12:09 |
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| TermanaN900 | Now which of you capitalists are with me? | 12:10 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 12:10 |
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| kerio | i'm with you if i don't have to do anything and i get money | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | heh | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | i just found tools for signing stuff | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | that stuff is public | 12:12 |
| * lcuk normally uses a pen to sign stuff :P | 12:13 | |
| TermanaN900 | kerio, did I say I was running RedHat? | 12:13 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | well, yeah, but that leaves only keys | 12:13 |
| kerio | TermanaN900: you didn't | 12:13 |
| kerio | you didn't say you're not running redhat though | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | understanding how exactly signature works isn't a problem then | 12:13 |
| TermanaN900 | jacekowski, it really only seems like a big deal for maemo. I'm not sure weather incompatibilities are introduced for ofono or just csd | 12:15 |
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| ilius | #maemo-ir started :) | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | -ir? | 12:43 |
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| Wizzup | infra red? | 12:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | TermanaN900: i'll take a 1% consultant's fee (it's a steal!) to be with you | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | TermanaN900 =~ s/weather/whether/ | 12:48 |
| * timeless_mbp storms | 12:48 | |
| TermanaN900 | timeless_mbp, hi crashanddie | 12:50 |
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| crashanddie | TermanaN900, hey | 12:51 |
| TermanaN900 | see they appear at the same time. COINCIDENCE? | 12:51 |
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| crashanddie | eh? | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | You highlighted me, bitch | 12:53 |
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| Danu | Hello guys | 13:32 |
| Danu | I want to share my broadband internet connection on PC with N900 via USB | 13:32 |
| Danu | can you help me to find a howto for that ? :D | 13:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | USB networking | 13:35 |
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| loufoque | isn't that done automatically? | 13:43 |
| loufoque | plug it in, select PC suite mode, and you're good to go | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | other way round | 13:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | it isn't done automatically for me. I had to set it up according to the wiki | 13:44 |
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| ShadowJK | the "N900 as USB modem" thing works automatically for me | 13:45 |
| ShadowJK | when I seledct PC Suite Mode | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | Danu wasn't talking about USB modem | 13:46 |
| ShadowJK | oh, other way around | 13:48 |
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| FIQ|n900 | maemo? | 14:07 |
| Danu | guys , i want to share my broadband connection in my Lucid Desktop with N900 via usb , can somebody point me to right direction ? | 14:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | aw | 14:07 |
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| Danu | Anybody home ? | 14:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | Danu, USB networking | 14:11 |
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| Danu | hi oreos , i tried but i get a message saying "no connection available" | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | Danu, once you add it in you're supposed to ifup the interface | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | or do you mean getting standard applications (like fennec, HAM, etc) to work with the USB networking? | 14:13 |
| Danu | i can ping N900 from my desktop | 14:13 |
| Danu | but i cannot share my ADSL connection on Desktop with N900 | 14:14 |
| Danu | i want to share it and save my 3.5G conn :D | 14:14 |
| Danu | i just want to share my desktop internet conn with N900 :D | 14:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: you need the dummy network configured | 14:14 |
| psycho_oreos | can you resolve hostnames inside n900's shell? | 14:14 |
| Danu | yup | 14:15 |
| Danu | i have added google dns | 14:15 |
| Danu | i have added a dummy network too | 14:15 |
| psycho_oreos | and that dummy network should appear inside your internet connections | 14:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 14:15 |
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| Danu | eeepc i followed that guide too | 14:16 |
| Danu | oreos dummy network does not show up :( | 14:16 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: I just followed the guide and got mine working nicely | 14:16 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: the dummy network needs to be there | 14:16 |
| Danu | oh i see | 14:16 |
| psycho_oreos | Danu, in the same link which is the same one that I've said before in regards to USB networking it does have guides for one to try and get dummy network to appear on the list | 14:16 |
| Danu | let me check | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody tested PC connectivity manager? | 14:16 |
| Danu | let me try again and come back to you guys | 14:17 |
| Danu | brb | 14:17 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: down near the end o that page... | 14:17 |
| visz | crap | 14:17 |
| Danu | eeepc , i saw it thanks :D | 14:17 |
| visz | flashing emmc did not help my boot loop problem | 14:17 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: no - but I just installed WifiEye and it's magic :) | 14:17 |
| visz | says "installing software update" and after a while boots again | 14:18 |
| visz | hmm | 14:18 |
| Danu | guys , another issue ,N900 also says that my device storage is full , how do i add more space to the system ? | 14:18 |
| visz | doesn't boot meego either | 14:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: transfer some stuff to a micro SD card? | 14:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | uninstall unsed apps - I had to do that | 14:19 |
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| Danu | eeepc that is also possible , but is it possible to share more user space with the system ? | 14:19 |
| Danu | so i dont have to worry about uninstalling when needed :D | 14:20 |
| pupnik_ | why does wifieye show a network spanning multiple channels jpinx-eeepc | 14:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dunno - I havenpt found a need for that | 14:20 |
| Danu | there must be a way for it | 14:20 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.kriyayoga.com/images/blog_photos/n900/Screenshot-wifi-eye.jpg | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Danu: you've done soemthing silly, or installed brainfscked pkg | 14:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: because of the frequency tail-off | 14:20 |
| Danu | Doc , most definitely :D | 14:21 |
| pupnik_ | so i could join America-Lobby on channel 8 in that picture? | 14:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: a channel 10 transmitter will put out a little bit in channels either side | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | Danu, make sure the apps are optified or your main rootfs will be full very quickly | 14:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: depends on whether it's encrypted etc | 14:22 |
| Danu | of course oreos , but i want to get the internet shared on N900 | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: because actual bandwidth of a channel in wifi is much beyond that channel | 14:22 |
| jpinx-eeepc | but yes | 14:22 |
| Danu | once that is done , sky is the next limit :D | 14:22 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: get you usb network to work properly first.. ;) | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | that's new to me. If i ever connect to a wlan on the wrong channel, i'll let you know. | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: so wifieye shows which channels are noisy when a certain chan is used | 14:23 |
| Danu | yup eeepc :D | 14:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: you won't | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | Danu, internet shared is as per what was said before, read up on the link on how to get dummy network to appear | 14:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: your system will go for the "main" channel being transmitted | 14:23 |
| pupnik_ | ok so wifieye's display is meant to encourage folks to not set up wifi on adjacent channels | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: rule of thumb: 2..3 free chan between used chan | 14:24 |
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| pupnik_ | ty DocScrutinizer jpinx-eeepc | 14:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: I find the realtime graph most useful | 14:24 |
| Danu | sure oreos , i get another issue after connecting the usb cable and going on pc suite mode , my internet on the Lucid desktop stops working , definitely due to address resolving problem , have you faced that before ? | 14:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik_: you can see if the wifi breaks - as mine does often - and not try to send anything | 14:25 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: set up the gateway in the laptop | 14:25 |
| Danu | eeepc its set by DHCP | 14:25 |
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| Danu | from the broadband router | 14:26 |
| Danu | shud i change those ? | 14:26 |
| psycho_oreos | Danu, yes, you just need to delete the default route and change it or hack the ifupdown scripts under lucid | 14:26 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | it's all in the how-to page ;) | 14:27 |
| Danu | oh my bad , i didnt see it :( | 14:27 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 14:27 | |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ unix pipelines? | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | if i reduce the priority of a process later in the pipeline, can that hurt anything? | 14:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Danu: fwiw I am currently using my eeepc as a thin client and a gateway for the n900, but irssi etc are running on the n900 | 14:28 |
| achipa | Build status: Start in 12 hours | 14:28 |
| * achipa grabs some coffee | 14:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: it's irrelevant | 14:28 |
| Danu | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=10207 <-- this is the issue i get | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: priority is a scheduling thing. | 14:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: so there shouldn't be any harm in me renicing the later parts of the pipeline? | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: if the pipeline fills, then the process earlier on will block, and allow the other to be scheduled | 14:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: It will of course slow the other parts down, if it is not getting enough CPU. | 14:29 |
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| Danu | <--- AFK | 14:29 |
| sx0n | http://www.unix.com/unix-advanced-expert-users/14793-pipe-fifo-buffer-size.html | 14:31 |
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| ShadowJK | (but there wont be any runaway buffers) | 14:33 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: find | xargs perl | sort | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | is basically my pipeline | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i think find is actually done | 14:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i think xargs is done too | 14:34 |
| sx0n | xargs perl? | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's basically a fight between perl (disk i/) and sort (cpu) | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sx0n: well the perl does something :) | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | would it help to know it's -pne ? | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - IIRC - sort does not output anything until it has done most of its IO | 14:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's right | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - misread | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pipe is a fifo | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | this task set really would be better as map-reduce | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | man fifo | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | what are you trying to do? | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | each end of a pipe can block the other | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: get a sorted list of all "words" in all "files" in a directory tree | 14:37 |
| sx0n | i don't speak perl fluently so it does not help me.. | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Generally, unless there are special conditions - swap contention and certain RAM access patterns - nice won't help | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they are mutually blocking and that makes them basically one process group. Impact of renicing is only wrt to other processes in the system | 14:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: i'm wondering if it would have been faster for me to do the sort as a distinct process after perl finished | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | well - what % of CPU are they using - and what % of RAM | 14:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - are you actually getting swap traffic | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | sort approaches 90% of cpu (i presume on 1 of 2 cpus) | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're not getting swapping much, thenthe answer is probably not. | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: depends on amount of data in pipe, and if swap is involved | 14:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | it was using about 50mb of ram at one point | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 600mb of ram free | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then odds are a pipe is suboptimal for that | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so it shouldn't be starving | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - for two cores - if it makes sense - xargs -p2 | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eeeh? 650mb of ram? I suppose that's not N900? | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | He's got a n901 | 14:41 |
| sx0n | find . -name "*.cpp"| xargs -i cat {} | sort -u ? | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, looks like perl is done | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | there's now contention between sort and uniq (later pipe stage) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | all done! | 14:42 |
| sx0n | uniq will wait for eof | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | man sort | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | useless use of uniq | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, sort can't operate on imput data subsets, as last input line might become first output line | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: oops | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so sort will allocate ram in the size of input data | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Or temp disk files | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | stupid me | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i ran the command from the wrong directory | 14:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp cries | 14:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | sx0n: not lines, words | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, total fail, grumble | 14:47 |
| * RST38h yawns and loudly wonders what is going on in the maemoland tonight | 14:48 | |
| * DocScrutinizer curses all medical doctors, and ponders text input systems not involving the left arm/hand | 14:48 | |
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| RST38h | Doc: a secretary. | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | good idea | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll take the young one from my orthopaedic doctor | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | She can probably do massage too... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, please don't touch... the shoulder :-P | 14:51 |
| RST38h | What's wrong with the hand, anyway? | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, using sort was also stupid, but... | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hand mostly ok, but impossible to lift arm to kbd level, without support | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | med droid killed my shoulder with a syringe | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | did teh opposite of what it was supposed to do, making things *much* worse | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I am currently not lifting arm at all when typing. | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm lying down under the blankets on the sofa, with the keyboard in my lap. | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | blin dtyping, nice | 14:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I should probably get up. | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | But it looks like such a lovely day out throughthe window, it's nice to look out there. | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just damn cold if I actually did. | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, any suggestions for one-hand kbd? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that my 4.7 finger system bothhand is worth much, but for sure better than one hand one finger system | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck! | 14:59 |
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| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "about time for a better dragon dictate... there's been a project I had on my revisit list..." ... checks bookmarks | 15:01 | |
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| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: any one handed kbd will have to be asymettirc to make best use of the thimb and so it will have to be produced "handed" | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: sure | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: thought about that earlier and always planned to get a left hand version. Now seems I'd need a right hand version instead | 15:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | space under little finger, ctrl under thumb | 15:15 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | alt at top of 1st finger range, del at top of 2nd finger range. | 15:16 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have thought about this before too ;) | 15:16 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | you have to be able to do Ctrl-Alt-Del with one hand ;) | 15:17 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | shift is above ctrl for thumb - I am unaware of any key combinations that need shift-ctrl-foo | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, nonsense, of course a left hand version, now more than ever - I mean what else could I do with a left arm with damaged shoulder, than typing blind to one hand kbd | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | Does anyone know where maemo stores the contact list? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, some berkley or sql db | 15:19 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | osso is in the name | 15:19 |
| Wizzup | ah, so it is probably not in my backups / MyDoc tbz ;) | 15:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am not on the n900 right now or I could look... | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | convo logs are sqlite3 | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, you know that radio channel i've been getting all the past songs from | 15:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | iirc you can import / export the4 contact list | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, I have 240000 songs in total :D | 15:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: what about dragon? | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, over the past two years, they've played U2 songs over 7000 times. That's more than 10 times a day. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db looks like it | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, LOL | 15:23 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: thx, I probably flashed that then ;) | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, I have all the data in sqlite3 db, I'm going to dump it on a google apps engine page with some nice stats | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, did you update your ps3 btw? | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: it's their jingle :-P | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, nope, it's not. The top 100 songs have been played once a day over the past 2 years. That's on average 6.5 hours every day of music you've already heard for the past two years, every day. | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | I'm discussing with a major musicstore admin to get their stats | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | I want to see whether the radio is driving the sales, or the sales is driving the radio. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you think that's business confidential data? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, at OM not even staff got a proper figure of sales numbers | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | except sales staff of course :-P | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | it's probably confidential, so? | 15:28 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Isn't it a known fact that radio drives sales? It is big business. | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Almost nobody likes a song the first time, but after 100 times you automatically grow into liking it. | 15:30 |
| nidO | that or you just dispise it all the more and smash your radio in | 15:30 |
| nidO | e* | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: there are other "tricks" though. It's known major labels buy back their own records in bunch from stores, to push a record up the sales statistics | 15:31 |
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| * MohammadAG51 wants to watch South Park on his N900 without a client :/ | 15:32 | |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Sure, that is easy. And if you buy 10000 units you are at the top of the list ;) | 15:32 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer: It seems to be Berkeley DB :-) I found it in one of my backups | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Bittorrent + media player MohammadAG51 | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Physical sales are down to almost nothing, so that is not hard. | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: yes it's berkley | 15:33 |
| * Wizzup happy | 15:33 | |
| tybollt_ | why are you happy? Please stop that imediately | 15:33 |
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| tybollt_ | who allowed you to be happy? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | without paying for it, even | 15:34 |
| tybollt_ | yes, indeed! | 15:34 |
| Wizzup | Techincally I didn't say I *am* happy | 15:34 |
| * SpeedEvil injects tybollt_ with happy juice. | 15:34 | |
| Wizzup | I just said happy | 15:34 |
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| tybollt_ | :) | 15:34 |
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| * SpeedEvil notices when putting it away that the container says 4 min epoxy. | 15:34 | |
| tybollt_ | >:) | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:35 |
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| tybollt_ | so how are things in maemo land these days=? | 15:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if the real strong painkillers could serve for a happy juice for him today | 15:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, not even getting grumpy is real fun anymore | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: fix that hostmode kernel, lazy lad! | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, I'm amazed it doesn't eat your USB with hair and hooves, with all those nasty bugs in there | 15:39 |
| * Wizzup reads contacts with python | 15:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | python has a Berkley interface? | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | import bsddb | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | I googled for 'read berkeley db' and the third hit was python, suits me :) | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any way I guess the recommended method to access contacts is via some friggin lib provided by Nokia | 15:49 |
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| Wizzup | It's pretty readable this way | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | read might be ok, usually | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd refrain from altering/inserting to the db though | 15:50 |
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| Wizzup | I don't want to alter my backups ;) | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 15:51 |
| Wizzup | Plus, I still need to go to the shop and get a replacement n900 | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: you could create a quite useful pkg out of this: "backup-access: reads out your contacts... whatnot... from the backup .tgz created on N900. Python, so will run on your PC as well" | 15:53 |
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| Wizzup | Sounds nice... Although I don't even know what other default formats there are for contacts. I tried hard to forgot about the contacts importing / exporting last time I did an import from my old phone | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Wizzup: first intermediate goal, extract and print contacts, csv or vcard format | 15:55 |
| Wizzup | Perhaps, when I have some time to spare... | 15:56 |
| * Wizzup has to study for exams now | 15:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sure :-) | 15:56 |
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| Appiah | Is there any news on Flash 10? | 16:20 |
| Appiah | (working on n900) | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 16:20 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: Stskeeps installed some version 10 you *might* get from Intel AIUI | 16:25 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Intel? | 16:25 |
| Termana | TI | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, TI and out of the question after the lemmings attacked | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | err TI, yes | 16:25 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, they stopped allowing it? | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: probabl | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | y | 16:26 |
| Appiah | O_o | 16:26 |
| Termana | Meh. I'm more of an HTML5 person anyway | 16:27 |
| Termana | :p | 16:27 |
| marmoute | Termana wear web socket | 16:28 |
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| Termana | marmoute, yeah cause flash sockets are wondering | 16:29 |
| Termana | They even terminate everything as \0 for you | 16:29 |
| Termana | Because they love you | 16:29 |
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| Termana | wonderful* | 16:29 |
| dan_ | Hello guys , i have a dummy connection but it does not show up at "always ask" | 16:30 |
| dan_ | why ? | 16:30 |
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| crashanddie | dan_, question you make sense little. | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | dan_, why? | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: actually it makes a bit of sense. But I'd not know how to answer it :-P | 16:35 |
| Termana | He's gone anyhow | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | "A Chinese man who got his arm stuck in a toilet pipe in an attempt to retrieve his dropped mobile phone had to be freed by rescuers." | 16:46 |
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| crashanddie | I'm guessing that really was a shit phone? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | It wasn't an N900. Wouldn't ever pass through there. | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | Difficult blockage to explain to a plumber: yeah, I quite literally dropped a brick. | 16:47 |
| RST38h | You want to tell your plumber that you have just dropped a *device* instead? =) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h, Jaffa | 16:48 |
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| mgedmin | there was a sad story about someone dropping a cellphone into a privy somewhere in africa | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | several people drowned trying to get it out | 16:51 |
| javispedro | "several"? was it an iphone? | 16:52 |
| logisist | do I have any other options for an email client in Maemo? | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | logisist: What options do you think you have? | 16:53 |
| marmoute | mgedmin: urban legend | 16:53 |
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| Jaffa | logisist: There's Modest, web browser, pine (eugh), SSH+mutt/pine/..., write a new one using QMF, ... | 16:54 |
| RST38h | ehlo javispedro | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro | 16:54 |
| javispedro | morning | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | is LD_PRELOADing still the best way to override a shared library symbol? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | I want to do a ltrace-like app for some calls (GL-related) and thus need some performance (on ARM) | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: err, yes? | 16:56 |
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| javispedro | dunno :) | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: depends on what exactly you're trying to achieve. LD_PRELOAD is fine for a single process with some replaced *.so | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want system wide efect, then I guess there are better things to do that than a mere "LD_PRELOAD=mylib.so myapp" | 17:00 |
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| logisist | Jaffa: I don't know what options I have, heh... hence the question, do I have any | 17:00 |
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| logisist | the obvious CLI/HTTP based clients are platform independent | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want more control and don't mind clumsy handling, then I guess you can create some gdb wizardry | 17:01 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:01 |
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| logisist | but Modest I'll look it, thanks Jaffa | 17:01 |
| javispedro | I guess I need to lookup which order ld uses to resolve symbols when they're on more than one shared library (without using LD_PRELOAD) | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, mompls | 17:03 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 17:08 |
| javispedro | bah, even padsp & the like use LD_PRELOAD, so I guess that's it. | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: LD_DEBUG=bindings | 17:10 |
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| Venemo | I got an N810 and I like it :) | 17:10 |
| Pillum | how can i format the micro sd card through command line`? | 17:10 |
| Pillum | on n900 | 17:10 |
| Venemo | it is much better in some regards than an N900 | 17:10 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: interesting. | 17:11 |
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| Venemo | how does autocompletion work on OS2008 xchat? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: nick completion? | 17:15 |
| Venemo | yes | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pillum: sfdisk xxxxxxx; mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 17:16 |
| Venemo | i didnt find a tab key | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: edit keybindings in ~/.xchat2 | 17:17 |
| Venemo | but it can tether my old N95 very well | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do the same via preferences menu | 17:17 |
| Venemo | k | 17:19 |
| Pillum | DocScrutinizer: what is xxxxxxx? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some parameters I don't know, as I usually use cfdisk instead of that clumsy sfdisk | 17:20 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 17:24 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I was able to set it to ctrl | 17:24 |
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| Venemo | the only thing that annoys me a bit is the lack of kinetic scrolling | 17:25 |
| Gh0sty | kinetic scrolling | 17:26 |
| Gh0sty | whats that? :/ | 17:26 |
| Venemo | Gh0sty, you are joking, right? | 17:27 |
| Gh0sty | i think you mean if you give it a good slide it keeps sliding a bit after? :p | 17:27 |
| Gh0sty | or whatdoyoumean? :/ | 17:27 |
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| Venemo | Gh0sty, yes | 17:28 |
| Gh0sty | that works doesn't it ? :/ | 17:28 |
| Gh0sty | at least in my photo gallery | 17:29 |
| Gh0sty | slide-lifts finger-screen keeps sliding through photos | 17:29 |
| Venemo | nope, I have to use scrollbars | 17:30 |
| javispedro | n810! | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we're talking bout xchat though | 17:30 |
| Gh0sty | oh xchat :x | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and diablo | 17:30 |
| Venemo | this is mainly annoying in the browser | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | diablo has no such thing | 17:31 |
| lcuk | Gh0sty, the gallery photo view does not use kinetics really, it advances to the next logical unit (photo) | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | fixed boundary smooth scroll to :P | 17:33 |
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| Venemo | hm | 17:34 |
| Venemo | is the community SSU worth it? | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, debian-kernel people | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if i have a kernel module which is running | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and someone wants to tell me that keeping it running would be bad | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | should they ask me to "purge the module" or "remove the module"? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | or terminate the module! | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't helping! | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :) | 17:37 |
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| Venemo | why is tableteer.nokia.com not working? | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: module 'running'? | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it's running | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you're talking bout .ko? | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/7616/VBox-Installer-linux-debian-templates | 17:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | search that url for purge | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mmh | 17:44 |
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| SuPrSluG | anyone use vpngui? can't find it in the file system to launch the program | 17:48 |
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| mrcarrot | hello... this has probably been asked several times but i could not find any sure answer through googling | 17:50 |
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| mrcarrot | is it possible to upgrade a n810 past os2008 | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | Short answer, No. | 17:50 |
| mrcarrot | for example something community created | 17:50 |
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| crashanddie | long answer, ask Stskeeps | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | there's openwrt for the adventorous | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:51 |
| mrcarrot | Stskeeps: that is mainly for routers.... have you tried it on your n810? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | mrcarrot: no, not recently | 17:51 |
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| mrcarrot | could you with it get out on internet through a phone? | 17:52 |
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| orospakr | are the nokia* gstreamer elements the ones that do the OMAP/IVA2+ codec acceleration? | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably | 17:55 |
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| visz | hmh | 18:12 |
| visz | fixed my n900's boot loop. now it's like a new born baby again with blank everything | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | orospakr: no, look for "OpenMAX" or "omx" elements | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | or "dsp", fwiw | 18:14 |
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| Venemo | hi again | 18:15 |
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| Venemo | huhu? | 18:16 |
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| pupnik | hi | 18:16 |
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| Venemo | hi :P | 18:17 |
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| orospakr | javispedro, ahh, right. | 18:23 |
| tybollt_ | anyone yusing ze spotify on ze n900? | 18:24 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: lol, the Palm guys patched in the SDL the infamous pulseaudio client deadlock when quitting app =) | 18:36 |
| orospakr | hey, where's the source for BatteryGraph? | 18:36 |
| orospakr | ewww "non-free" license. | 18:36 |
| * orospakr feels like his parade has been rained on. :( | 18:37 | |
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| * orospakr ponders sending a donation along with a note to the effect of "Cool app, but source code would be great!" | 18:44 | |
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| Khertan | javispedro, ? really ? it s now fixed ? | 18:51 |
| Venemo | what is fixed? | 18:51 |
| javispedro | Khertan: I do not think it was ever fixed on Maemo iirc, but since they removed one of the causes (muting games while mediaplayer was playing) | 18:52 |
| javispedro | it does not manifest itself as often | 18:52 |
| Khertan | Venemo: <javispedro> RST38h: lol, the Palm guys patched in the SDL the infamous pulseaudio client deadlock when quitting app =) | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | Pre guys do some trickery on SDL to always quit from the pulse thread | 18:53 |
| javispedro | instead of waiting for it to die | 18:53 |
| Venemo | Khertan, souns good | 18:53 |
| Khertan | javispedro, lol i hope we will not have tcp/ip stack dead lock ... else they will probably remove it | 18:53 |
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| ZogG | Khertan so i didn't get answer yesterday | 18:53 |
| Khertan | ZogG, ? | 18:53 |
| ZogG | where is moon trip? | 18:53 |
| ZogG | honey moon | 18:54 |
| Khertan | oh not decided yet :) | 18:54 |
| ZogG | mazal tov anyway | 18:54 |
| ZogG | wrote you on twitter | 18:54 |
| Khertan | the short honeymoon week end was in france near the sea :) | 18:54 |
| Khertan | in fact ... not near ... on the sea :) | 18:55 |
| ZogG | are you not french? | 18:55 |
| Khertan | i'm french ... | 18:55 |
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| ZogG | but you don't live there? | 18:55 |
| Khertan | yes and no ;) i live in Paris, but france isn't a small country | 18:55 |
| Khertan | and there are so beautiful place to go :) | 18:56 |
| ZogG | i used to live in russia - france is small man =) | 18:56 |
| Khertan | ZogG, :) | 18:56 |
| Khertan | just a point of view | 18:56 |
| Khertan | take a 2D representation of earth with france in the center ... russia appear smaller :) | 18:56 |
| ZogG | lol | 18:56 |
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| Noobmonk3y | if you zoom in and block out all the other countries, England actually looks pretty big, compared to an ant :) | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | compare it to IL | 18:59 |
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| Venemo | lol | 19:00 |
| Venemo | okay, look at a map from 600 years ago... Hungary was a huge country :) | 19:00 |
| * Noobmonk3y is hungary | 19:01 | |
| Noobmonk3y | well, hunfry at least | 19:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | hungry* | 19:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh ffs | 19:01 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y, not a good joke :P | 19:01 |
| * Noobmonk3y fails, quite regularly...... | 19:01 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | not quite as regularly as frals, but not far off ;) | 19:02 |
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| * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 19:03 | |
| frals | oi watch your mouth you wnkr ;) | 19:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha! | 19:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | damn he's awake ;) | 19:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | evenin ;) | 19:03 |
| e-yes | I like maps dated may'1945 | 19:03 |
| pupnik | do we have any news of n9 being released in nov? | 19:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | pupnik, 50/50 its a yes or no | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | wow | 19:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | or maybe a maybe, darn stats! | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, inside info, nice | 19:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: technically i'm not inside an N9 that would just be freaky! | 19:04 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG51 agreed, even the word "Israel" don't have place, so we always go little bit to Iraq or Iran or Egypt =)) | 19:05 |
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| alterego | Who knows how I can continually record frames from the framebuffer? | 19:05 |
| ZogG | e-yes hjey what are you doing herE? | 19:05 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | is something wrong with the repositories? getting an error when trying to update package lists on .... maemo.org ones, I think... just closed the list | 19:05 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51, i'm thinking to get student package from orange with iphone4 | 19:06 |
| ZogG | and sell it or use as second phone | 19:06 |
| ZogG | for games =) | 19:06 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat they are preparing for update | 19:06 |
| * alterego wonders about tail -f | 19:06 | |
| Noobmonk3y | yup armageddon will be uploaded to maemo.org soon ;) | 19:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ZogG, so will be down today? | 19:06 |
| alterego | Grr | 19:06 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat yes, till 2012 | 19:07 |
| ZogG | cause after it wouldn't matter | 19:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | year? :) | 19:07 |
| ZogG | centure | 19:07 |
| ZogG | century | 19:07 |
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| intelinsider | hi | 19:09 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | oh no... dual boot with meego | 19:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not very happy with the switch to meego... rpm insted of apt :( | 19:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh - its not being forced upon ya ;) | 19:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not immediately... but I thought that means maemo goes away over time to be replaced by meego... | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: rpm instead of dpkg, zypper instead of apt.. | 19:10 |
| Venemo | does the n810 have some memory card slot? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | pfft. | 19:11 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat you wouldn't get it anyway | 19:11 |
| wmarone | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a change for the better, since we get rid of the last of Nokia's "differentiation" ;) | 19:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right... i knew that wasn't expressed totally correct... but don't even know zypper, so .. :) | 19:12 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat and i hate getting iphone instead of n900 | 19:12 |
| javispedro | Venemo: yes, look behind the stand | 19:12 |
| javispedro | (or the user's manual, fwiw =) ) | 19:12 |
| Venemo | k | 19:12 |
| intelinsider | use anybody a sip acc to call contacts? | 19:13 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | i know, i know... it's probably a good idea in that regard... I just had very bad experiences with the rpm mess before they had things like... yum? zypper? or whatever... and mostly very good experiences with apt | 19:14 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | so from gut feeling it will always be a step back | 19:14 |
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| wmarone | zypper will hopefully be better than yum | 19:15 |
| wmarone | yum is kinda braindead, and seems to insist on pulling down package libraries before every searc | 19:16 |
| wmarone | +h | 19:16 |
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| ZogG | ok i'll explaine | 19:16 |
| ZogG | U DON'T HAVE TO install meego as second os | 19:17 |
| ZogG | noone force you | 19:17 |
| ZogG | TADA \o/ | 19:17 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, tell them | 19:17 |
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| intelinsider | :) | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | not to mention yum was written in python, which means it was.. SLOW!! | 19:17 |
| ZogG | intelinsider liar | 19:17 |
| ZogG | you are my poop-outsider | 19:17 |
| * Noobmonk3y farts | 19:17 | |
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| ZogG | Noobmonk3y, oh smeels like pizza | 19:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 19:18 |
| ZogG | am i right? | 19:18 |
| intelinsider | rofl | 19:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | naaa, bacon roll! | 19:19 |
| kerio | <nsvon | 19:19 |
| kerio | er | 19:19 |
| kerio | BACON | 19:19 |
| * lcuk goes and eats chips | 19:19 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ZogG, I think I got that the first time around :) | 19:19 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat the pizza thing? | 19:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well... guess that, too | 19:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but actually I was referring to the dual-boot thingy | 19:20 |
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| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat ok, now you can do what your nick says | 19:21 |
| ZogG | am i rude? | 19:21 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | maybe... you also betray your ignorance :) Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' | 19:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ... giving me the opportunity to spread the word about Pratchett :-P | 19:22 |
| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat is it you? | 19:22 |
| ZogG | no? | 19:22 |
| ZogG | so do it now | 19:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | although that had not been the intention when choosing the nick | 19:23 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | right... | 19:23 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ZogG, sausage inna bun? | 19:23 |
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| ZogG | CutMeOwnThroat oh i like it | 19:24 |
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| intelinsider | hm i lost contact details... crap ovi suite :( | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ping me when you head out | 19:31 |
| sp3000 | k, 30-60 or something I think | 19:32 |
| sp3000 | 50/60 | 19:32 |
| lopz | hi .) | 19:33 |
| Venemo | hi | 19:33 |
| javispedro | oh god, TMO crew are going to love what I just done | 19:35 |
| javispedro | s/TMO crew/TMOers | 19:35 |
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| pupnik | ? | 19:35 |
| pupnik | whats that javispedro | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | I've run a Pre game on the N900 =) | 19:36 |
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| pupnik | nice | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | See, I wasn't lying when I was saying that Pre and Maemo were sister platforms :) | 19:36 |
| javispedro | s/Pre/WebOS | 19:37 |
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| javispedro | And for some reason, Palm does not even have a treacherous stance against Vorbis and free audio codecs, so most Pre games use vorbis :( | 19:39 |
| javispedro | unlike Nokia. | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | nokia has improved in that matter | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
| javispedro | possibly because stripping Ogg from Meego would have been too much evil =) | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | s/in/on/ | 19:41 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: sp3000: pong me when you head out | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | no i did not! | 19:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps =~ s/in/on/ | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: no | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | ogg stance changed before meego merge | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | not that i can prove that to you, but it's true | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i know it did | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | it was in a bug report | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm did we mark fixed in harmattan? | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | we probably did | 19:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow, learn something new every day | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic | 19:47 |
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| javispedro | bug #176 | 19:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Ogg Vorbis support out of the box | 19:48 |
| javispedro | yes, you did. | 19:48 |
| * Noobmonk3y pongs MohammadAG51 | 19:48 | |
| oshin | anyone know how to add digital compass? | 19:48 |
| MSJ1983 | anyone tried the new psfreedom??? | 19:49 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: how much work went into the port for that pre game? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | pupnik: virtually nothing and all of it is generic | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: to the phone? | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: open it up, add compass to the I2C bus | 19:53 |
| javispedro | pupnik: some stubs here, and a LD_PRELOADed small lib to handle opengl differences | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Write driver. | 19:53 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: and with that I get gl, audio, touchscreen working. missing is accelerometer, ogg sound, rotation | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | you are running a *binary* javispedro ? | 19:54 |
| javispedro | pupnik: yep | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | nice | 19:55 |
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| oshin | SpeedEvil, is there something like microsd compass? | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: no. | 19:55 |
| javispedro | pupnik: a commercial one fwiw | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: I wanted to make one, but the microSD is too thin. | 19:55 |
| oshin | SpeedEvil, I see. | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: It would e easy to do in a SD | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | But the available magnetometers are all around 1.5mm thick, and the SD is around 1.3mm thick. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | This leads to a packaging problem. | 19:56 |
| pupnik | well that'll be a fun thread to see :) | 19:56 |
| oshin | SpeedEvil, I think you can have the edge at 1.3 mm? | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: not in the n900 | 19:56 |
| oshin | like it doesn't have to be shaped exactly like microsd for the slot | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Tere are seperate specs for microSDIO - but that won't fit. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you tear off the metal cover of the slot - it pretty much does. | 19:57 |
| oshin | nice idea | 19:57 |
| oshin | or replace with a modified one, 3d printed.. | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | No, tear off is pretty much the only option, there isn't enough room to replace | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=846257&postcount=8 | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hooray, blackout :-/ | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways the easier way is just to open it. | 19:59 |
| oshin | i am thinking about printing the back cover. | 19:59 |
| oshin | i have some printed stuff here it's very precise. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The hinge pins need to be quite strong too. | 20:00 |
| oshin | the material is pretty strong | 20:01 |
| oshin | and can bend | 20:01 |
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| oshin | or may be something optical attached to the front camera? | 20:02 |
| oshin | hmm AR need to use camera.. n/m | 20:02 |
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| Goliath24 | build notification emails don't seem to work. a known problem? | 20:04 |
| javispedro | Goliath24: what? they do work, I just got one minutes ago | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: java? | 20:06 |
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| Goliath24 | javispedro: I had several failed builds and now a working one and didn't get a notification | 20:06 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it's C++. though clearly from a java me->c++ code translator | 20:07 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: interesting | 20:07 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so it is a palmpre binary running on n900? | 20:08 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yep | 20:08 |
| javispedro | there's some 3d glitches, but considering I'm not even trying to set any gl attribute at all (like presence of depth buffer =) ) this is better than what I though | 20:08 |
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| javispedro | s/better/easier | 20:08 |
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| RST38h | cooooooooool | 20:09 |
| RST38h | no way to rotate/zoom the image though? | 20:09 |
| javispedro | yes, app already knows what the game thinks is the current screen orientation, so I just need to patch viewport | 20:10 |
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| javispedro | (and mouse events. hmpf.) | 20:10 |
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| javispedro | and replicate what accelemymote is doing. | 20:12 |
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| javispedro | it would be nice to fix the issue with current sdl and rotated screen, btw. | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | basically, sdl does not refresh its internal list of valid resolutions after a xrandr event properly | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | I cannot fix that without fixing SDL itself. | 20:13 |
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| pupnik | why not LD_PRELOAD sdl? | 20:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: forking SDL itself is harder than what I did =). Also, fixing that would benefit native Maemo apps. | 20:17 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmm is it possible to upload an already created QT project into gitorious (and overwrite a previous project?) | 20:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | (directly from QT) | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, git init, git add ., git commit, git push origin master | 20:32 |
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| Noobmonk3y | from within qt, not using command line | 20:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | i can drag down from gitorious fine | 20:33 |
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| Noobmonk3y | and create a new project, but can't upload a current one? | 20:33 |
| * Noobmonk3y pongs toggles :) ::) me again! :P | 20:33 | |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, not sure, never used Qt Creator to upload stuff | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | I just learned basic git | 20:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe me neither :P | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | and I learned that deleting local files doesn't delete remote ones | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | so I had to wipe the repo clean, then readd it | 20:34 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 20:35 |
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| mece | javispedro, ping? | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: eta? | 20:37 |
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| sp3000 | now | 20:37 |
| * timeless_mbp has picked up a dom telco to pass time | 20:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, ok, lemme find a headset | 20:37 |
| javispedro | mece: pong | 20:38 |
| mece | javispedro, did you copy the sims binaries from a palm pre, or how did that work? | 20:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, where? | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so lunch was vaguely indian | 20:39 |
| javispedro | mece: yes, see backlog for some explanation | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 20:39 |
| * Noobmonk3y meh's | 20:39 | |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't have lunch | 20:39 |
| intelinsider | nice nice nice... | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | which kinda argues against the slow service place | 20:39 |
| intelinsider | i sync my contacts and a lot of details are away... | 20:39 |
| intelinsider | fuck! | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: thai? | 20:40 |
| * Noobmonk3y grumbles at gitorious | 20:40 | |
| mece | javispedro, that's pretty sweet :) | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | yes! | 20:40 |
| intelinsider | know anybody this problem? | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | how about the far/big thai | 20:41 |
| mece | javispedro, what about the bit where you actually get the game? can you buy pre games without actually having a pre? | 20:41 |
| javispedro | mece: there's a reason I can only try that game. | 20:42 |
| javispedro | mece: I mean, that's the reason. | 20:42 |
| mece | ok.. hmm | 20:42 |
| mece | what's the palm app store called? | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok? | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | mece: "catalog" | 20:44 |
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| mece | javispedro, did you check what "send to phone" does? | 20:47 |
| javispedro | mece: not trying that way. I just got the binary from a colleague's Pre. | 20:47 |
| mece | javispedro, ok. Was wondering if one could get a link with the sms or something.. to a installation file or whatnot. | 20:48 |
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| kerio | Erica: FaceTime is the first mobile device video calling -- this will come as a surprise to anyone who has used mobile video calling on any other devices | 20:50 |
| kerio | lol | 20:50 |
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| javispedro | kerio: that's Apple for you! they invented smartphones, personal computers, the internet, the global menu bar, user friendliness, mp3 players, dvd recorders, ... | 20:54 |
| ieatlint | has someone made a comic sans theme for maemo yet? | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | ...reality distortion field.... | 20:55 |
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| kerio | so... | 20:57 |
| kerio | app store for os x | 20:57 |
| kerio | i really hope they're not walling down os x too | 20:58 |
| javispedro | oh, it's true | 20:58 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, they invented users too | 20:58 |
| javispedro | today's the day they release os x++? | 20:58 |
| kerio | javispedro: yup | 20:58 |
| * javispedro forgot | 20:58 | |
| kerio | os x 10.7 lion | 20:58 |
| RST38h | os y! | 20:58 |
| RST38h | btw they also invented letters i and x | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | what's worse is that "invent" stuff they already invent! | 20:59 |
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| ieatlint | we're all just waiting for the DEA to do a raid on 1 infinite loop | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | it'll be a hilarious day | 20:59 |
| javispedro | didn't iChat already have video chat? | 20:59 |
| javispedro | didn't apple.com already have an OS X app catalog? | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | s/they already invent/they already have | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | ichat isn't on phones or truly mobile devices | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | what i don't get is why ichat can't communicate with "facetime" | 21:00 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: that's what his steveness is advertising today | 21:01 |
| ieatlint | i remember being truly annoyed when the iphone came out in 2007, and i had to deal with apple advertising and friends talking about how it brought all these new things, like a real web browser | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | Apple fails in IL | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | went to see prices of an iPhone for my dad | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | "uh, my nokia n80 i bought 14 months ago can do all that, has 3g, video calling, multitasking and 3rd party app development" | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | the lady there was like | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone 4 is like the iPhone 3G S, with a better design | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | I was like wtf | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | what about the cam | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | she was like 3.2 is enough | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | i sighed and left | 21:02 |
| kerio | why do you even talk to them | 21:03 |
| kerio | :< | 21:03 |
| javispedro | what use is 5 mpixels for a ugly phone cam | 21:03 |
| mece | arsetime! | 21:03 |
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| mece | (the adult version if facetime) | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | apple is currently running adverts here declaring the iphone 4's camera as being the "highest resolution camera ever in a phone" | 21:04 |
| kerio | so... builtin drm and 70/30 revenue for devs | 21:04 |
| mece | ieatlint, que? | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | i'm not sure the claim is untrue :P | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | but it's kinda misleading | 21:04 |
| kerio | 2010: Apple invents package management | 21:04 |
| mece | ieatlint, how is it true? | 21:05 |
| ieatlint | mece: name a phone with a higher camera res | 21:05 |
| mece | n8 | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | 3.2 is enough :) | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | hah, ok, not familiar enough with the n8 specs | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | They should start specifying sensor size in mm^2 instead | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, 12MP | 21:06 |
| ieatlint | but the n8 isn't on anyone's radar here sadly | 21:06 |
| mece | ieatlint, still makes it false advertising. Then again I have no idea what resolution iphone cameras have... | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | false advertising here is pretty difficult to prove | 21:07 |
| mece | I played with an n8 today. | 21:07 |
| mece | ieatlint, where's here? | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | i don't even recall the last time someone successfully pulled off a lawsuit for it | 21:08 |
| ieatlint | US | 21:08 |
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| mece | ieatlint, ok.. well I guess false advertising isn't an issue then :) | 21:08 |
| slingr | oh the memories | 21:08 |
| slingr | i had the n80ie about 3 years ago | 21:09 |
| slingr | i miss it. my first nseries phone | 21:09 |
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| ieatlint | heh, apparently the claim is even more bullshit than i thought, as i'm now seeing the n86 with an 8mp camera | 21:09 |
| mece | n80ie was excellent. Great screen on that one. | 21:11 |
| mece | HTC Evo has 8Mp too | 21:12 |
| ieatlint | i still have my old n80 sitting in a drawer | 21:12 |
| mece | I still have my ngage | 21:13 |
| mece | I used to play on it every now and then, but became obsolete with my gamegripper :D | 21:13 |
| javispedro | ah, already at the "One more thing..." episode. | 21:13 |
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| mece | wot? | 21:13 |
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| mece | is steve talking about something right now? | 21:14 |
| ieatlint | the n80's connector was screwed though, i had two of them fail | 21:14 |
| slingr | mece> mine was actually an N80, i just changed the product code and reflashed to n80ie to have the VOIP stack | 21:14 |
| javispedro | mece: yep, trying to sell you a new macbook air! it fills on an envelope! | 21:14 |
| javispedro | *fits | 21:14 |
| mece | so does my desktop computer.. | 21:15 |
| mece | :) | 21:15 |
| slingr | from the n80, i got the n95-1, then then n95-4 (twice, i lost one), and now i use the n900 | 21:15 |
| mece | what's the n95-4? | 21:15 |
| slingr | 3g for north america | 21:15 |
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| mece | o | 21:15 |
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| javispedro | place your bets ladies and gentlemen, is it an arm netbook? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | ah bah | 21:16 |
| javispedro | too late already | 21:16 |
| mece | what was it? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | intel | 21:16 |
| mece | a netbook nevertheless? | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | "new" macbook air | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | i'm still waiting for the arm netbooks to appear | 21:17 |
| mece | to compete with the ipad? | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | nah, macbook air will run osx | 21:17 |
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| ieatlint | it has crazy features like multi-tasking, and full usb support (with required dongle) | 21:17 |
| mece | multi tasking? OMG! | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | and they now even force the SSD version upon you. will it still be $3000? =) | 21:18 |
| ieatlint | i thought the macbook air was always ssd-only | 21:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Maybe the new thing is that it's a ssd that performs like a ssd | 21:19 |
| mece | ok, so Pratt, Morris and Knuth walk into a bar | 21:19 |
| ieatlint | i only know one person who ever owned a macbook air | 21:19 |
| javispedro | and he says "PC industry tests don't reflect real world use". And goes on to proudly present their own battery tests, which is basically "idle + wifi". | 21:19 |
| ieatlint | and they hated it... thing had serious heat management issues | 21:19 |
| mece | i don't know anyone who had a macbook air | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | I don't know anyone who had a macbook | 21:22 |
| mece | what's a macbook? | 21:22 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: this channel is full of them. | 21:22 |
| kerio | i have a macbook | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | was talking about rl | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddi e has one | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | and time less | 21:22 |
| kerio | and me! | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | who else | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:22 |
| mece | can't think of anyone.. | 21:23 |
| ieatlint | i | 21:23 |
| ieatlint | 've got a thinkpad | 21:23 |
| mece | I've got an n900 | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | OMG ME TOO!!1111! | 21:23 |
| * kerio waves his hands in front of MohammadAG | 21:23 | |
| MohammadAG | nope, can't think of anyone who has a macbook | 21:23 |
| mece | No-one else? I guess that was everyone here. | 21:23 |
| * mece giggles at kerios feeble attempt for attention | 21:24 | |
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| mece | is the apple thing over? | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | NOOO | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | Angry Birds Halloween coming Exclusively to iOS Tomorrow | 21:24 |
| mece | or is he still bs:ing? | 21:24 |
| mece | and for everyone else the day after that. | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | LOL really? | 21:25 |
| mece | no. | 21:25 |
| mece | well, maybe | 21:25 |
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| mece | that is some damn good advertising for the angry birds people :) | 21:26 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, | 21:28 |
| javispedro | Apple makes the SSD non-user replaceable (now requiring reballing or even worse), and Engadget even praises them for that. | 21:28 |
| javispedro | mece: so yes, he's still with the bs. | 21:28 |
| mece | hehehe | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | yes? | 21:29 |
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| ieatlint | MohammadAG, | 21:29 |
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| mece | ok. I think I'll watch some tv. Ta. | 21:31 |
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| javispedro | Jobs's done! Number of OS X++ details revelead = 0, profit made = $$$$ | 21:31 |
| * javispedro goes back to hacking after the two minutes of hate | 21:31 | |
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| pupnik | enjoy | 21:36 |
| Shapeshifter | how can I unpack a .deb on the n900? I don't have ar and file-roller doesn't seem to work | 21:36 |
| slingr | -.- | 21:37 |
| slingr | dpkg -i *.deb will install it | 21:37 |
| Shapeshifter | I said unpack | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-deb -x file.deb . | 21:38 |
| slingr | dpkg -x somepackage.deb ~/temp/ | 21:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: thanks | 21:38 |
| Goliath24 | I get a /usr/bin/rcc -name resources ../../src/resources.qrc -o qrc_resources.cpp | 21:39 |
| Goliath24 | RCC: Error in '../../src/resources.qrc': Cannot find file 'Icons/Köln.png' | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | nice name :P | 21:39 |
| Goliath24 | error when building. what is the encoding I should save the qrc file in for maemo-extras build? | 21:39 |
| javispedro | Goliath24: Unless you really feel confident in your encoding skills, I would not use non-ASCII chars. | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | :P | 21:40 |
| Goliath24 | javispedro: shouldn't it be okay to just save the file in another encoding? whats the standard encoding of maemo? | 21:40 |
| javispedro | It's UTF-8. The standard encoding of Qt is UTF-16 for all I know, though. | 21:41 |
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| Goliath24 | in qt creator I can save in whatever encoding the maemo build server likes | 21:41 |
| javispedro | there's more than that, like what encoding are your file names being saved in whatever tarball you upload to the autobuilder, etc. | 21:43 |
| javispedro | is this GNU/Linux, or Window? | 21:43 |
| javispedro | and, either way, use ASCII. | 21:43 |
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| Goliath24 | linux, okay, i'll do the renaming :) | 21:44 |
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| Goliath24 | gee, I's the year 2010 and still not everyone is using UTF-8 :/ | 21:47 |
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| phryk | evening | 22:00 |
| phryk | today i got an n900 and promptly got the application manager to die horribly. | 22:00 |
| phryk | no catalogs, etcpp anymore | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats! | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If you restart it, does it still act wierd? | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And ahve you done anything strange to it? | 22:02 |
| Venemo | phryk: see | 22:02 |
| Venemo | ~flashing | 22:02 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:02 |
| phryk | i tried uninstalling rootsh after doing chmod +s /bin/su | 22:02 |
| Venemo | phryk: ensure that the software version you use is the latest. if not, reflash your device to the latest | 22:03 |
| phryk | Venemo: i updated the firmware today via the app.manager | 22:03 |
| phryk | sources.list is empty o_O | 22:03 |
| Venemo | phryk: try reflashing, that is a bit more effective | 22:03 |
| phryk | gimme a second | 22:04 |
| phryk | how do i reboot that thing? | 22:04 |
| phryk | there is neither shutdown nor reboot | 22:04 |
| phryk | not even init | 22:04 |
| Venemo | long-press power key | 22:04 |
| phryk | ah | 22:04 |
| Venemo | or single-press, then tap "shutdown" (has the same effect as a long press) | 22:04 |
| phryk | ah booting now | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: is there any example code for interacting with the n900 terminal/dbus etc anywhere? | 22:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | (i mean c++ 'y) | 22:09 |
| phryk | catalogs semm to be back | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, system() | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, QProcess for Qt, but open files with QFile, don't use system("cat /somefile") then read the output | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | that's a very lazy way :P | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol :P | 22:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks :) | 22:10 |
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| phryk | unistalling rootsh takes forever, maybe it works this time ^^; | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, hint, procwatch.cpp in PSFreedomUI | 22:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool :0 | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | it reads /proc/psfreedom/status, it'll help youi | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | -i | 22:11 |
| Venemo | alterego: I got your code from MohammadAG. Nice coding :) | 22:12 |
| * MohammadAG only gave out a link | 22:13 | |
| Venemo | true, true | 22:13 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:13 |
| alterego | I should have uploaded it ages ag o tbh | 22:13 |
| alterego | And I'm sure it's buggy to shit | 22:13 |
| Venemo | do you have a lib in Extras that has this code? | 22:13 |
| alterego | No | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | <alterego> And I'm sure it's buggy to shit << encouraging | 22:14 |
| Venemo | would you mind if I put it into one (and of course gave you commit access) | 22:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well, I've not found anything wrong with it :P | 22:14 |
| alterego | Venemo: sure, feel free :) | 22:14 |
| phryk | yeaaaah | 22:14 |
| phryk | successfully uninstalled | 22:14 |
| Venemo | alterego: of course then I'd expect you to fix your "buggy to shit" code, too :P | 22:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:16 |
| alterego | I might port some of it to MeeGo actually. | 22:17 |
| alterego | I'm basically concentrating my development efforts there until PR1.3 | 22:18 |
| alterego | Mainly because I Alove using Qt 4.7 : and the meego ui framework | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | :) | 22:18 |
| Venemo | is it really that good? | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | hm... flashing guide to N810 says, "hold down the Swap button" | 22:19 |
| Venemo | which is the Swap button? | 22:20 |
| alterego | I was a bit uneasy about it when heard about all these knew M* widgets, but after reading the introduction I'm sold ;) | 22:20 |
| alterego | It's the task switcher button | 22:20 |
| Venemo | ah, okay | 22:20 |
| phryk | I just remembered that Nokia owns Qt… And thought to myself "Oh, THAT might be why they are using it so much" ^^; | 22:21 |
| Venemo | alterego: question: how can I use your Maemo5* classes when compiling to Maemo and the Q* ones when compiling for something else... without #ifdefing the crap | 22:21 |
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| alterego | Yup, you can't :P | 22:22 |
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| Venemo | hm, what would happen to the poor N810 if I flashed an N900 image to it? | 22:22 |
| BCMM | it would implode, leaving a small black hole that would devour your cat | 22:23 |
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| alterego | Heh | 22:23 |
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| Venemo | BCMM: LoL :D | 22:25 |
| phryk | can i mount the n900 as mass storage device? if so what kernel driver do i need? | 22:25 |
| Venemo | you can, by default | 22:25 |
| Venemo | phryk: plug in the USB cable and choose "Mass Storage mode" | 22:25 |
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| phryk | Venemo: where do i do that? | 22:26 |
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| Venemo | phryk: a dialog should pop up | 22:26 |
| phryk | wtf | 22:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:27 |
| phryk | i plugged the usb thing into the damned rj45 o_O | 22:27 |
| phryk | am I drunk?! | 22:27 |
| phryk | I didn't even know that could fit o_O | 22:27 |
| BCMM | USB-B or A? | 22:27 |
| BCMM | USB-B actually fits really neatly in an RJ45 | 22:28 |
| phryk | Big one, that's b, isn't it? | 22:28 |
| BCMM | yeah | 22:28 |
| phryk | yep | 22:28 |
| BCMM | the one that printers usually have | 22:28 |
| phryk | mhh | 22:28 |
| BCMM | yeah, that one fits nicely | 22:28 |
| phryk | i have no printer | 22:28 |
| BCMM | but did you know that an rj45 plug will go into an rj45 socket? | 22:28 |
| BCMM | upside down? | 22:28 |
| phryk | BCMM: you sound like you did that before^^ | 22:28 |
| BCMM | with sufficient force | 22:28 |
| phryk | :D | 22:28 |
| BCMM | no, but my father has done both | 22:28 |
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| phryk | Thanks, I feel less dumb now ;P | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | usb plugs go into rj45 sockets without using excessive force | 22:29 |
| BCMM | he had this tiny laptop, which i took apart into many even tinier pieces while clearing up after the upside-down rj45 | 22:29 |
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| BCMM | the necessity of an rj-45 port seemed to have decided the thickness of the laptop, so the case had opened up :) | 22:30 |
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| mgedmin | and I mean usb a | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | I'm not ignorant enough to try plugging usb b into a laptop | 22:30 |
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| phryk | mgedmin: Leave that to the idiots like me ^^; | 22:31 |
| BCMM | i hadn't thought of that; what was the other end plugged in to? | 22:31 |
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| phryk | the n900 | 22:31 |
| phryk | the right way | 22:31 |
| * mgedmin once pushed a disk's IDE cable upside-down, then had to pull the pin out of the body with pliers | 22:32 | |
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| mgedmin | the disk worked fine | 22:32 |
| phryk | :D | 22:32 |
| phryk | mhh | 22:32 |
| phryk | the almost-ide cables had no pins | 22:32 |
| phryk | what were they called again… the cdrom ones | 22:32 |
| phryk | atapi^^ | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | really? | 22:33 |
| phryk | yes | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | because atapi is for CD-ROM's over ATA, which is the official name of IDE | 22:33 |
| phryk | i'm pretty sure at least^^ | 22:33 |
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| phryk | yes | 22:33 |
| phryk | but the cables were a bit different | 22:33 |
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| mgedmin | hm | 22:34 |
| phryk | maybe it was just a really fucked up cable i had ^^; | 22:34 |
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| BCMM | mgedmin: i was under the impression that IDE is just an old name for ATA | 22:34 |
| BCMM | mgedmin: and ATA is now an old name for PATA | 22:35 |
| nox- | moin | 22:35 |
| Venemo | lol | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | phryk, maybe you had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic_CD_interface ? | 22:36 |
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| phryk | maybe the cable… | 22:37 |
| phryk | the drive i connected to the ide connector on the mainboard and it worked fine… | 22:37 |
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| orospakr | How does Maemo on the N900 specify which parititon should be exposed by USB mass storage? | 22:39 |
| orospakr | I assume it unmounts it and everything before exposing it. | 22:39 |
| orospakr | (I have the latest PR and I want to get rid of the massive VFAT) | 22:40 |
| phryk | mhh | 22:41 |
| phryk | need to get toecutter on there for a ringtone | 22:41 |
| * pupnik still thinks that 'The Sims' binary running on N900 is the coolest thing all month | 22:41 | |
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| ds3 | hey pupnik, is anyone working on getting the stuff on your website going for the N900? | 22:42 |
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| pupnik | yes | 22:43 |
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| phryk | that sounds like a ringtone to me <3 | 22:43 |
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| orospakr | also, what is responsible for generating /etc/fstab? | 22:47 |
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| jacekowski | orospakr: one of boot scripts | 22:53 |
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| orospakr | maybe the simplest way to get rid of VFAT is to reformat MyDocs as ext3, and do nothing else. | 23:05 |
| orospakr | maybe the right answer is to resize them. I wonder if I can do an ext3 online resize (grow). | 23:08 |
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| phryk | oh my god | 23:18 |
| phryk | this thing has an fm transmitter | 23:18 |
| phryk | <3 | 23:18 |
| orospakr | aw dang, that won't work: MyDocs is the first partition on the disk. Maybe if I reformatted it as ext3, copied all of my maemo profile bits into it, and then swapped the IDs around, that might do it. | 23:18 |
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| orospakr | phryk, it does! | 23:18 |
| orospakr | (and then reformatted the former /home partition as vfat if I cared enough) | 23:19 |
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| orospakr | all problems then would be higher level: MyDocs would still be the mountpoint of this new vfat partition, and I'd want MyDocs to just be a directory right there. | 23:20 |
| Venemo | okay | 23:20 |
| Venemo | can the N810's backup/restore app restore the contacts from the backup created by the same app on the N900? | 23:21 |
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| orospakr | problem is, I can't really change what fstab is doing on account of this bootscript thing (I have some vague goal of being compatible so if I upgrade to the next PR things won't completely explode). | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | if it uses sqlite3, yes | 23:21 |
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| orospakr | maybe another approach would be to reformat mydocs as ext3 and somehow change the mount filesystem type that the bootscripts/fstab generator uses, and change nothing else. I don't care about vfat compatibility for mass storage. | 23:22 |
| alterego | Have fun in infinite reboot land orospakr :P | 23:23 |
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| orospakr | alterego, :( | 23:23 |
| RST38h | Ok, lemmings have found leaked PR1.3 | 23:23 |
| RST38h | with expected results | 23:24 |
| orospakr | I don't want to use crappy vfat :( | 23:24 |
| orospakr | especially not on a 27 GB volume... | 23:24 |
| alterego | RST38h: you're kidding? AGAIN?! | 23:24 |
| * MohammadAG adds a tmo 127.0.0.1 redirect | 23:24 | |
| MohammadAG | I just hope they do something useful with it | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | like file bug reports | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: bug reports on maemo5 are not useful | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, QTextBrowser shows black text on a black bg | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | if that stays broken like that, someone's pretty retarded at maemo | 23:25 |
| RST38h | but I do hope many of them will brick their devices and go somewhere else, or something :) | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | orospakr: almost all your ideas will end in a bootloop and reflash. So why not just reflash and patch the VANILLA (eMMC) image to have /home 25GB instead of 2GB? | 23:26 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: SHit happens, and the leaked stuff is 5 weeks earlier than the supposed release stuff | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | orospakr: you won't get rid of VFAT completely, without massive edits in initscripts, which in turn will break system on next SSU. And even then... some apps seem to rely on VFAT and its idiocies like no proper users, perms, caseSENSITIVITY | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | orospakr: a simple shell neliner on your desktop PC should scratch most of your itches, if you're going to reflash N900. See http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools 2nd box | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | trolls will hate me, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=846447&postcount=46 | 23:39 |
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| Ljrn900 | only trolls? | 23:39 |
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| javispedro | gotta love those. | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | Ljrn900, yes, I never said anything bad | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | I just said the forum holds a lot of bullshit | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | which got censored by the forum | 23:41 |
| javispedro | See, mods can censor a forum by deleting posts. | 23:42 |
| javispedro | but users can also censor a forum by conveniently forgetting about stuff =) | 23:42 |
| nox- | .oO(why do webforums keep reminding me of fidonet...) | 23:42 |
| nox- | :) | 23:42 |
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| javispedro | oh god no | 23:44 |
| javispedro | did slashdot just migrate me to the new, slow, javascripty version AGAIN? | 23:45 |
| wmarone | yes | 23:46 |
| * javispedro twitches | 23:46 | |
| wmarone | I had it disabled too, and now it's back | 23:46 |
| javispedro | and I can't find the option! | 23:46 |
| * javispedro starts to panic | 23:46 | |
| wmarone | I think it may be permanent :( | 23:46 |
| javispedro | http://slashdot.org/my/comments *relief* | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | Ha | 23:47 |
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| javispedro | I wonder if some admin just thought "let's punch all those users in the face, and count how many of them set it back to the old system. if count < threshold, kill the old system." | 23:49 |
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| dreamer | hmmm, I'm trying to get qstardict to work, but tar doesn't seem to do what I want | 23:51 |
| dreamer | or is not compiled with bz2? | 23:51 |
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| javispedro | if it's the messybox one, you can be happy it does even untar things =) | 23:57 |
| dreamer | hehe | 23:57 |
| javispedro | pull gnutar o gtar iirc, and bz2 ofc. | 23:58 |
| dreamer | well, I'm not sure how I can even use qstardict .. because I can't see the ~/.qstardict when hooked to my pc. so I have to do it on my device (n900) | 23:58 |
| nox- | untar into another dir and mv the dir afterwards? | 23:59 |
| dreamer | hmm, yeah I guess :/ | 23:59 |
| dreamer | there is tar-gnu in the repo though | 23:59 |
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