IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-10-17

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pupnikdo you have a keg of beer in the trunk with a feeder line to the sunvisor?00:08
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ColdFyreno00:11
ColdFyrebut .. http://cfdigital.com/cpc2.jpg00:11
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ColdFyrehttp://cfdigital.com/cpc3.jpg00:11
ColdFyreit's not too dangerous00:11
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steinexColdFyre: cool.00:12
steinexbut.. fedora? :p00:12
ColdFyreyes :)00:12
jogaone person at work had some sort of custom steering wheel thingy where he could mount a phone and type while holding the wheel, I didn't see it though00:13
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ColdFyreit was gentoo, but it was way too much of a PITA to compile everything on an atom cpu00:13
steinexi imagine00:14
steinexback in the days(TM) i touched nothing but FreeBSD, now i'm on Ubuntu :p00:14
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steinexbut well, for servers, the above statement still applies00:14
ColdFyrei used to use ubuntu, but i grew to dislike it00:14
ColdFyrei should better document my car pc00:16
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WizzupHi. My /home/ seems to be Read only. Which means /opt is also read only... I can't think of any other reason for this to happen than an unsafe USB disconnect00:33
WizzupHowever, I rebooted a few times and that doesn't help00:34
WizzupIn mount it doesn't show as ro00:34
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WizzupSo it's not the MyDocs that's ro, just /home/00:38
Wizzup / isn't ro either00:38
WizzupSo I'm completely lost reallly00:38
WizzupI can create  a file in /, but not in /home/00:38
kerioWizzup: MyDocs is another partition00:40
kerioit makes sense00:40
kerioreflashan time!00:40
WizzupI understand it makes sense I can write to MyDocs, but / and /home are the same mount00:41
Wizzupo wait. That's not true00:41
lardmannight chaps00:43
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logisistcan anyone make me feel better about having the a7 model rather than the a8?01:42
logisistconsidering I just bought it, and at a premium since I didn't want to wait for it to ship\01:42
logisistit's not very logical.01:42
* SpeedEvil forgets a7->a801:43
GAN900a7?01:43
SpeedEvilA7 has buzz-fiz applied01:44
ShadowJKWhat the hell is a7?01:44
logisistARMv701:44
SpeedEvilrev a7 of freeruner01:44
peb_Logisist --> Audia A7 ??01:44
SpeedEvillogist - also - #openmoko01:44
ShadowJKwtf01:44
logisistNokiaN90001:44
ShadowJKCortex A8 = ArmV701:44
logisistoh01:44
logisist:)01:44
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: there's never been a real A8 :-)01:45
SpeedEvillogisist: err - sorry - I was assuming you were meaning rfreerunner.01:45
ShadowJKN900 is Omap3, which includes a Cortex A8 core, Cortex A8 is ArmV701:45
SpeedEvilyeah - I was about to say that.01:45
peb_Logisist: software rules ... so don't care so much about the nitty-gritty differences in these processors ....01:45
ShadowJKThere's just one CPU model in N900..01:46
* DocScrutinizer points to the A5-A7 part in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf01:46
ShadowJKThe guy bought N900 not freerunner :P01:47
SpeedEvilWhere is rthe revisions of the n900 found?01:47
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SpeedEvilI mean - exposed to users.01:47
ShadowJKlol01:48
DocScrutinizerosso-product-info?01:48
SpeedEvilanyone have a revision other than 2101 in cat /proc/cpuinfo?01:48
DocScrutinizeror proc/cpuinfo01:48
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* nox- 220401:49
DocScrutinizero.O01:49
SpeedEvilnox-: how recently purchased?01:50
peb_speedevil, I've 2014 as the revision ..01:50
peb_sorry ... 210401:50
nox-i also didnt notice the usb plug going in `too difficult'01:50
nox-SpeedEvil, few monts ago01:50
SpeedEvilInteresting.01:51
nox-months even01:51
SpeedEvilI haven't seen that problem - with rev 210101:51
nox-guess i was lucky :)01:51
DocScrutinizernox-: I had that usb problem with my first one for a few weeks, the second one was ok from beginning. Both 210101:54
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nox-oh01:55
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user___is there a date for a stable release of meego?03:45
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jacekowskinever03:52
lcukRIP Beniot Mandelbrot, you were awesome.03:54
nox-:(03:54
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlwFpz9s_I03:56
jogaalso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE03:57
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FauxFauxMore like http://vimeo.com/190822403:58
FauxFauxActually, I'm not even sure that's my favourite.03:58
lcukI remember my first time seeing mandelbrot set.03:59
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lcukit took 24 hours to render a single black and white frame on my zx spectrum03:59
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lcuki can render it in realtime on my n81003:59
lcukcomputers are awesome03:59
nox-heh /me did that too03:59
nox-(fractals on spectrum :)04:00
lcuki wrote a mandel zoom algorithm that fit inside the 256byte cache o nthe 680ec20 on the amiga o_O04:00
nox-:)04:01
* lcuk wishes that hard drive still existed :)04:01
lcuk( context, on my n810: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_testfeatures.AVI )04:02
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* DocScrutinizer rendered on a M70 Siemens process controller engine ('realtime' BS-2000 spinoff) and printed to a needle impact printer, tool some 40h iirc, for one page04:37
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html  16 bit CPU operating at 37,5 MHz04:45
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FauxFauxCoX OS?  WANT.04:45
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newbie007hi could someone tell me where firefox (default browser) downloaded a file? according to the browsers file dialog its at /Nokia N900/Documents05:16
newbie007i really dont like it when save dialogs or open dialog obscure the real path05:17
newbie007got it ~MyDocs/.documents/<here>05:20
DocScrutinizernewbie007: ooh, I just had to learn "users do not like to bother about pathnames and directories" (quote Nokia guy)05:21
newbie007next question is how can i unzip?05:21
newbie007but in this os perhaps we can assume the users have a certain level of skill05:22
DocScrutinizeranyway, as even Nokia wasn't able to create a filesystem completely without pathnames, they decided to translate ~user/MyDocs to "N900", and the dir .documents in there to "Documents"05:22
DocScrutinizerI'm surprised you're not happy with this X-P05:22
newbie007X-P ?05:23
DocScrutinizeremoticon05:23
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newbie007i think i might make a virtual link05:23
newbie007*symbolic link*05:24
DocScrutinizererr, symlinks don't work there as it's VFAT (another concession to make your life easier :-P )05:24
newbie007ha05:24
newbie007its fine this is still the best phone ever05:25
DocScrutinizerfor unzip I suggest you might want to install package mc (midnight commander) and maybe also unzip05:25
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newbie007mc is a file system browser?05:26
DocScrutinizeryes05:26
DocScrutinizerlike norton commander05:26
newbie007i dont think there is a package unzip05:26
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DocScrutinizerprobably not in Hildon Application Manager05:27
newbie007i would apt-get it but it seems i limited to only one command prompt (using irssi)05:27
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DocScrutinizeryou'll need to install it from xterm via "apt-get install"05:27
lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip-fm/05:27
newbie007ok thanks i'll brb then05:28
DocScrutinizer:-)05:28
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DocScrutinizermoin raster05:33
n900userI'm newbie00705:34
DocScrutinizerhey :-)05:34
DocScrutinizeryou can have multiple xterms!05:34
DocScrutinizerthere's a 'new' button in xterms menu05:34
n900userI'm using pidgin now05:35
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n900userOh good to know05:35
DocScrutinizer:-)05:35
tarpdocksdoes anyone know if there is a /dev interface for the n900 microphone?05:35
tarpdockslike05:35
tarpdocksim trying to play a file over a phonecall but am finding it impossible05:35
DocScrutinizertarpdocks: nope05:35
n900userDo i want fremantel or diablo? Using n900 vanilla install05:36
DocScrutinizernot really05:36
rasterDocScrutinizer: doc!05:36
DocScrutinizern900user: fremantle for N90005:36
n900userThanks again05:36
DocScrutinizernp05:36
tarpdockstheres no way to redirect sound input from the microphone?05:36
DocScrutinizeryou'll need something like gstreamer05:37
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n900userSorry i386 or armel?05:37
DocScrutinizerarmel05:37
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paulynsamanthahi all05:38
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paulynsamanthasorry to bother but does anyone know the output of the stock Nokia N900 wall charger?05:40
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peb_paulynsamantha DC 5.0V/1200mA05:43
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logisistany way to back up your conversations?05:44
logisistI have an N900 w/ Maemo05:44
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DocScrutinizerdunno, backup app might do that05:45
logisistoh, I see the backup software just takes care of that for me05:45
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n900userDocScrutinizer sorry do i need to add a repo? I cant seem to find unzip except here http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/unzip/6.0-1maemo1/05:46
DocScrutinizerpaulynsamantha: the output alone isn't all to know about the Nokia charger. It also has a relatively 'new' signalling about it being a charger: the datalines D+ and D- are shortcircuit05:47
paulynsamanthaOMG i need to buy the stock one05:47
paulynsamanthaive been using a random one05:47
n900userIt's not standard usb?05:47
paulynsamanthathanks so much, Doc do u remeber me from before05:48
paulynsamanthan900user: yes but i used kinda rigged up one because i needed more output05:49
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n900userMore output? You mean amps? Voltage?05:50
paulynsamanthaamps?05:50
DocScrutinizern900user: maybe you like to have a short glance at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools05:50
DocScrutinizerpaulynsamantha: sorry, can't recall. Anyway more output won't help anything as N900 takes a max of 1050mA for charging05:51
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: do you never sleep? :)05:52
DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: sleep is overrated05:52
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jpinx-eeepcyea - well...05:52
paulynsamanthahey did yous know that the gnuetella fire sharing client Phex works almost perfectly on N90005:52
DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: and I heard people die while sleeping05:52
n900userI dont really want dev or test repos but i do want unzip. Should i click the link?05:53
DocScrutinizeryou could click the .deb link in N900 microB browser, this should start HAM and install the pkg iirc05:54
DocScrutinizerno real need to enable the extras-devel repo, but I guess sooner or later you'll end with configuring that repo anyway, and just keep it disabled usually05:55
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n900userOrry i dont understand HAM or iirc05:56
n900user like the Doom!! Message.. Ok I'll give it a shot05:59
n900userThx!05:59
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jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: why disabled?06:01
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DocScrutinizerHAM=Hildon_App_Manager,06:03
DocScrutinizer~iirc06:03
infobotsomebody said iirc was "if I recall correctly"06:03
paulynsamanthais n900 no longer on NokiaUSA Store online i cant find it lol looking for charger06:04
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DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: you might want to keep versions of packages at extras-repo level usually, not at bleeding edge extras-devel repo06:04
n900userI've got dependancy issues now :(06:05
n900user# apt-get install unzip06:05
n900userReading package lists... Done06:05
n900userBuilding dependency tree06:05
n900userReading state information... Done06:05
n900userYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:06:05
n900userThe following packages have unmet dependencies:06:05
n900user  python-pygame: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) but it is not going to be installed06:05
n900userE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).06:05
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: not sure what I've installed from there..06:05
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ebzzry_Is there a way to reread the file rx-51 without rebooting?06:08
pupnikwhat is in that file06:09
ebzzry_keymap06:09
pupnikcat rx-51 would read it06:09
ebzzry_keymaps*06:09
pupnikoh yes,06:10
pupnikenjoy breaking that and reflashing :)06:10
n900userHelp: http://pastebin.com/SBwFuAyd06:10
pupnikhi n900user06:10
ebzzry_Gah.06:10
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n900userHi pupnik06:11
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pupnikn900user:  Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages06:12
DocScrutinizern900user: hmm, I know libsdl threw errors for quite a while now06:12
n900userPupnik just tried same error06:12
n900userWill pastebin...06:13
pupnikyour first pastebin actually should have enough info for anyone with a device06:13
pupnikusually i fix that by removing the broken package06:13
pupnikoh i just LOVE the treatment SDL has received since 2007 here DocScrutinizer06:14
DocScrutinizernfc what it is at all06:14
dcaruanaanyone install moc on maemo5 N900?06:14
pupnikhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=812131#post812131   <<< n900user06:15
pupnikhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 << n900user06:15
n900userhttp://pastebin.com/RDGit9m006:15
dcaruanathx06:15
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n900userShould i remove the repo... ?06:16
DocScrutinizerdisabling is sufficient, but won't change the problem here06:17
n900userEll it didnt melt06:17
n900user*Well it didnt melt06:17
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DocScrutinizerfriggin libsdl pkg is broken or sth06:19
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pupnikthe explanation is in my second link06:19
DocScrutinizerpupnik suggested removing python-pygame06:19
DocScrutinizeraiui06:20
pupnikno06:20
pupnikdpkg --force-all -r libsdl-ttf2.0-006:20
pupnikapt-get install -f06:20
pupnikthat's what i suggested06:20
pupniksorry if that was unclear06:21
pupnik< pupnik> usually i fix that by removing the broken package06:21
pupnik< DocScrutinizer> nfc what it is at all06:21
pupnikyup...06:21
n900userThat doesn't look to safe06:22
pupnikhttp://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html06:22
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logisistany mobile Maemo users here running Pidgin?06:23
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pupnikthe extras-devel libsdl-ttf2 is inconsistent with the official nokia one, n900user ... if you want to use the newer one from -devel, you have to first remove the one from nokia and then do a install -f06:25
n900userLogisist i be06:25
logisistinteresting, I had an issue installing it06:25
logisistconflicting packages06:25
logisistI hate when I see "Ssl"06:26
pupnikwell i googled libsdl-ttf and maemo and the threads were in the first few hits06:26
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pupnikmaybe you could try that next time06:26
pupnikwww.google.com06:26
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n900userHow can i disable a package?06:28
n900userI mean repo06:28
pupnikapplication manager lets you06:29
pupnikor edit the sources.list file(s)06:29
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DocScrutinizerclick menu in HAM, catalogs, click on catalog, checkmarh [x]disabled06:43
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TermanaN900good morning06:44
DocScrutinizergood moaning TermanaN90006:45
DocScrutinizer~libdsl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=77740006:46
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer06:46
logisistman this is the best phone ever06:46
logisist:D06:46
DocScrutinizerbah06:46
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DocScrutinizerlogisist: yep06:47
DocScrutinizer~libsdl06:47
infobotwell, libsdl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=77740006:47
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, quick pm?06:47
logisisthopefully after I update Maemo I'll be able to use Pidgin06:47
DocScrutinizergo ahead06:47
logisisthoping for more organization in my buddy list06:48
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rastergod damn06:59
rasterwhy did my n900 decide to cease charging on any usb stuff except its own wall-plug thing only?06:59
* raster kicks his n90006:59
paulynsamanthai want an n81007:04
rasteru'd have to likely get one 2nd hand07:04
rasteror if someone is sitting on old unsold stock...07:04
rasteror just get an n90007:05
rasterwhich is probably a much better bet07:05
paulynsamanthai have n90007:05
paulynsamanthai want n810 cause of the like thumbpad thing07:06
pupniknot many people are fans of it07:07
paulynsamanthaah really?07:07
DocScrutinizerraster: it never did07:07
rasterDocScrutinizer:  eh?07:08
rasterDocScrutinizer:  it has done so ever since07:08
rasterjust plug it into pc with us cable07:08
DocScrutinizerraster: for proper charging it needs either ENUM from host, or a short from D+ to D-07:08
rasterit charges07:08
rasterit decided to stop doing that all of a sudden07:08
DocScrutinizeron host it should, yes07:08
rastermy galaxy-s charges like a charm on the same usb plug07:09
DocScrutinizerhmm07:09
rastern900 used to07:09
DocScrutinizerUSB works, for data purposes?07:09
DocScrutinizerdevice shows up on lsusb?07:09
rasterfor weeks its been sitting on my desk keeping powered07:09
rasterand the screen on 24x707:09
paulynsamanthaya when i plug in my ca-101  for n900 into any usb port it always says insuffiant power not charging07:10
paulynsamanthaor soething like that07:10
DocScrutinizeralso strange07:10
paulynsamanthai know07:10
DocScrutinizerusually 'insufficient power' means it's consuming more power than can be delivered by charging though07:11
DocScrutinizerwhich is a problem of sw running and subsystems activated07:11
paulynsamanthaya but its does that when its idle?07:12
DocScrutinizere.g 3G TX needs a friggin lot of power, so the max 500mA from host might not be sufficient07:12
DocScrutinizerquite obviously it isn't idle07:12
DocScrutinizerhow long will it operate from batery?07:12
paulynsamanthai almost always have like the wifi disabled and 2.5g to save battery life07:13
paulynsamanthai have to charge it multiple times a day07:14
DocScrutinizerraster: might be a defect cable or usb receptacle (N900 usb receptacle is a known flimsy part)07:14
DocScrutinizerpaulynsamantha: see?07:14
DocScrutinizersomething is eating lots of power - probably 2.5G data transfer07:15
paulynsamanthaits always internet not connected07:15
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paulynsamanthai think i have a retarded BL-5J07:16
DocScrutinizerI'm absolutely sure you have a misconfigured system07:16
paulynsamanthai think i might flash it07:16
paulynsamanthareflash^^07:16
DocScrutinizergood start to tackle it07:17
raster                                                                                                     DocScrutinizer  ok. something bizaRRE07:17
rasteroops07:17
rastersomething bizartre07:17
rasterusb hub is a powered one07:17
rasterso everythnig except the n900 worked and charged07:17
DocScrutinizercheck charging and battery life before restoring previously saved apps and configs07:17
rasterbut somehow the usb hub this hub was plugged into decied to stop communicating07:17
DocScrutinizerhehe07:18
raster(yes hub plugged into hub plugged into pc - all hubs are powered tho)07:18
rastereverything BUt the n900 charged and worked with no usb data conn07:18
rastern900 bar4fed07:18
jpinx-eeepcusb networking is generally flaky - I use it a lot and unplu/replug is a lottery07:18
DocScrutinizercheap hubs won't manage the 'powered' property correctly for ENUM07:18
DocScrutinizerraster: sure, N900 is more pedantic about that07:19
DocScrutinizerthe other devices basically are buggy when charging in such a situation07:19
rasterbut they work07:19
jpinx-eeepcusing a hub just makes things *more* flaky ;)07:19
rasterunlike the n90007:19
raster:)07:19
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rasterjpinx-eeepc: not practical considering how far it is to get to the usb plugs on the pc07:20
raster2 at the front and 6 at the back07:20
DocScrutinizerraster: yes, they 'work' just like the USB-fan with no cpu or electronics inside07:20
jpinx-eeepcraster: use a back one07:20
rasterthe pc is 1.5m away at the end of the bench07:20
jpinx-eeepcraster: get a longer usb cable ;)07:20
rasterthats why u got the powered hubs to make sure i have enough juice to keep most things happy07:20
DocScrutinizerraster: check lsusb, it will tell you how much the hub negotiated with N900 for VBUS07:21
rasterjpinx-eeepc: no thnaks. got to omany bloody cables07:21
jpinx-eeepcheh - yea - such is life ;)07:21
DocScrutinizerit's not N900's fault other devices don't care about that USB spec and *possibly* break the host or hub by drawing "excessive" current07:21
rasteri am so keen ont he day my entire desk is just one big wireless charging pad07:22
rasterDocScrutinizer:  hub with  only n900 plugged in07:22
jpinx-eeepcraster: just don't put your head in that wireless loop ;)07:22
rasterhub has a 2000ma 5w supply07:22
rtylerevening folks :D07:22
jpinx-eeepcraster: really - hubs are a pita for the n90007:22
jpinx-eeepcrtyler: o/07:23
DocScrutinizerraster: a hub that doesn't know about its own external power is supposed to limit current to 100mA for each of its 4 downstream ports07:23
DocScrutinizerlsusb will tell you in verbatim07:23
DocScrutinizerso if the hub doesn't tell host about "I got my own power" then host will ENUM N900 for max VBUS of 100mA07:24
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: I've had some shocking hubs;)  Binned them  all07:24
DocScrutinizerraster: 4*100mA for downstream + 100mA for powering hub = 500mA which happens to be max VBUS from host, according to USB spec07:25
DocScrutinizerN900 is following this spec, and limits charging to a 100mA in your situation07:26
rasterbeats the crap out of me which hub it is07:26
rasterhttp://slexy.org/view/s20mPJymxa07:27
rtylerany of you chaps hacking atop Maemo5?07:28
jpinx-eeepcI suppose if you really research the spec and buy a top-quality hub it'll do ok for the n90007:28
DocScrutinizerraster: lsusb -v ;-)07:28
DocScrutinizerdon't redirect to printer :-P07:29
rasteri know07:29
rasterbut "which one" :)07:29
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DocScrutinizerraster: http://paste.debian.net/96775/07:32
DocScrutinizerraster: watch out for changing product-id!07:33
rasteroh u meant check for the n90007:33
rasternot the hub?07:33
raster    MaxPower              500mA07:35
rastersame07:35
rasterwell now it is07:35
DocScrutinizererr, you can check every device, but yes I've been talking about enum result for N900 like  MaxPower              500mA  #28 in my pastebin07:35
rasteri thought u meant check to see what the usb hub says power-wise07:35
raster:)07:35
rasterthats why is aid "beats me.. i have a fuck0-tonne of hubs listed"07:36
DocScrutinizer:nod: - odds are more than half of them are internal hubs of your host07:36
rastermaybe07:37
rastermaybe not07:37
rasteri have a 10 port hub07:37
rasterand a card reader with 3 more usb ports plugged into that07:38
DocScrutinizerwhich is actually like 3 or 4 logical hubs in itself :-)07:38
rasterand another 4 port powered hub plugged into the 10 port07:38
rasterand my monitor has a usb hub too07:38
rasterwith 4 ports07:38
rasterand card reader07:38
rasterand yup- that doesnt include any possible internal hubs on the motherboard07:38
raster:)07:38
rasterthus why i went "crap... which one?" :)07:39
DocScrutinizerlol07:39
rasteri could eliminate by uplugging everything07:39
rasteretc.07:39
rasterbut i'm not going to bother07:39
raster:)07:39
DocScrutinizerfollowing bus hierarchy usually helps07:39
jpinx-eeepchubs plugged into hubs is not going to be nice to the n900 I reckon07:45
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DocScrutinizerlol, I'm checking hubs etc here. got a memstick (allegedly transcend) that gives me on lsusb -v -d1307:0165 :07:56
DocScrutinizercan't get debug descriptor: Connection timed out07:56
DocScrutinizercannot read device status, Connection timed out (110)07:56
DocScrutinizerafter several correct lines07:56
jpinx-eeepcyea - I can buy "branded" kit here in the market and it's crapware ;)08:03
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logisistI need a mail client that can do multiple identities, any ideas?08:14
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DocScrutinizersome of you might be interested in my success to enable hostmode in a different way than ~hostmode08:36
DocScrutinizer~hostmode08:36
infobothostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post82419708:36
DocScrutinizerno timing critical fiddling with starting/stopping bme, with plugging in memstick at a certain moment, etc08:37
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SpeedEvilPossibly interesting!08:39
SpeedEvilI shall need to wake up - I'm just up to get painkillers, and am going to bed having not read it.08:39
SpeedEvilgreat!08:39
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rtylerthis is more of a n900 question, would it be possible to use the touchscreen as a mouse for my desktop?08:40
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jpinx-eeepcgoddam wifi :(08:59
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spinningcompassrtyler: http://g.mmowe.com/index.php/archives/8771209:14
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rtylerI am having trouble understanding this09:17
rtylerI'm hoping english isn't the author's first language O_O09:17
sivangmorning all09:17
spinningcompassrtyler: Cantonese, I think.09:21
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DocScrutinizer the little front sky has attempted to have assembled an once again , available , excited unexpectedly regularly09:23
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DocScrutinizermhm :-D09:24
DocScrutinizerwell, nite peeps, hostmode the decent way made me so tired I'm going to follow up on this in 3h09:25
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jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: looks good so far - keep up the good work-thanks09:27
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RST38hmooorning?09:33
sivanghey RST38h09:35
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RST38hOracle asked the founders of the Document Foundation and LibreOffice to leave the OpenOffice.org Community Council.09:47
RST38hHehe09:47
redeemanlol09:47
sivang?09:47
sivangwhy ?09:47
doc|homeRST38h: erm, hadn't it already disbanded?09:48
* sivang googles09:48
RST38hdunno09:48
RST38hduncare09:48
RST38hBut it is a DRAMA!09:48
doc|homewell, if it had then it's FUDrama09:48
sivanghehe09:49
RST38hdoc: fud directed at whom?09:52
doc|homehow do you define directed? If it's false, and I'm not sure it is, then it looks bad to Oracle09:53
doc|homeerm, bad for Oracle, pr-wise09:53
RST38henjoy: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_2010101409:54
doc|homefoss politics, not interesting, got a specific time? :)09:54
doc|homenevermind, found something someway relevant I think09:55
* doc|home reads09:55
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RST38hdoc: the enemy in question is CorNouws09:56
RST38hdoc: He is both on the OO council and working on the fork09:57
RST38hdoc: and they do not like that at all09:57
doc|homeok, seems the founders left, and the council itself didn't actually disband09:58
doc|homemy memory of this is why I thought it had http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/openoffice_independence_from_oracle/09:59
doc|homeyes, theregister, I know :(09:59
* RST38h like the register10:00
doc|homeit's reporting is blegh at best :/10:00
doc|home(its10:00
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RST38hBetter than gizmodo10:01
RST38hOh well...10:02
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PaulyNSamanthahi10:04
PaulyNSamanthaall10:04
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PaulyNSamanthahey Doc:10:04
Texrathello all10:05
PaulyNSamanthahey i think i figured out why my battery goes low10:07
PaulyNSamanthai changed kernel power defualt to ideal10:08
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DocScrutinizerN9 schematics: http://xckd.com/730/10:19
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TermanaN900RST38h, the best section of The Register is the BOFH section :p10:28
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Texrathey bigbrovar10:42
bigbrovarTexrat: hey10:42
bigbrovarname rings a bell10:43
TexratI've seen you post at alk.maemo.org10:43
Texrattalk*10:43
bigbrovaryeah thats it10:43
bigbrovarI hardly there nowadays though10:44
Texratwhere I think I hold the posting record :D10:44
Texratyeah10:44
Texratit's tailing off10:44
bigbrovaryeah ever since maemo became "mainstream"10:44
bigbrovarits what happens to your favourite underground artist when there go big screen lol10:45
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Texratnot to mention MeeGo now getting the glory10:48
Stskeepswell, it certainly causes some waves when anything meego is mentioned10:48
Stskeepsi'm not sure if i should be happy or sad it was the pr 1.3 'multiboot' people spread around instead of the more important part, me being technical lead of meego/n900 ;)10:49
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FIQ|n900What is all the buzz about PR1.3 "enables multiboot maemo/meego"? As I've read, it's just like before - that the only people getting it is actually the same as before?10:55
Stskeepsbasically a misunderstanding..10:56
FIQ|n900i.e. developers/power users feeling to test things10:56
StskeepsPR1.3 kernel adds patches for kexec10:56
FIQ|n900Ah, ok10:56
Stskeepsthe way we'll do it in meego/n900 is through u-boot instead10:56
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bigbrovaras far as the N900 is concerned I rather have a working functional as bug free as possible maemo than meego. N900 is the taget device of maemo and it would be hard for meego to have the same level of integration and smooth running11:01
bigbrovargive me turn by turn navigation and that is all I need. am good to go11:01
bigbrovarI can always get a meego device if one is eventually released11:02
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lucentpretty pleased with my N90011:06
lucentit survived a trip to Burning Man11:06
redeemanmine has lost its wifi capabilities11:06
redeemanit just craps out11:06
redeemani think its the hardware11:06
lucentmost of my electronics gear dies a toasty death after my vacation week to that event in the desert11:06
redeemanthe checksum of the kernel module and firmware is okay11:06
redeemanit complains about timeout when initializing the wifi11:06
lucentoh shame about that11:07
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RobbieThe1stHi, all11:13
kerioHi, you11:14
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DocScrutinizerredeeman: hey, there's been a report about a new N900 with broken wifi just yesterday11:23
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redeemanDocScrutinizer: interresting11:34
redeemanyou wouldn't happen to remember the number?11:34
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DocScrutinizer51number?11:34
redeemanbug#11:34
DocScrutinizer51it's been here11:34
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mikki-kun|N900hey, can somebody point me to the dir where the n900 saves it's confugrations for wireless networks? i'd need to check a password i got for which version of it the n900 successfully uses...11:36
steinexmikki-kun|N900: hmm, grep -Ri for the network in /?11:37
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johnxmikki-kun|N900, it's stored in gconf, I believe11:38
johnxuhm, if it were me I'd do something like: gconftool -R / | less11:38
johnxthen type / in less and search for your network SSID11:39
johnxmaybe there's a more friendly/easy way, but I don't know it11:39
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mikki-kun|N900it does @sho it but like 10k likes other crap11:42
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mikki-kun|N900but less is not working11:43
johnxswitch out less for grep -C 10 MySSID11:43
mikki-kun|N900every time i press enter ESCOM appears -_-11:43
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andrewfblackAnyone use there N900 without a Sim with bluetooth tether?11:44
mikki-kun|N900thanks11:44
mikki-kun|N900that worked :)11:44
* johnx is impressed he's actually started to remember grep options ...11:45
johnxonly took 10 years11:45
MohammadAGLOL11:46
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FIQ|n900nice johnx :)11:47
DocScrutinizer51johnx: you missed to metion the ^M instead of CR you'll need in an unpatched xterm for less /11:48
_trinedoes anyone use asterisk on their N900 here ?11:48
johnxDocScrutinizer, good to know. I'd given it up as a lost cause and started learning to do without it11:49
DocScrutinizer51I fixed the root cause instead :-P11:50
FIQ|n900Noes, no hg for n90011:50
steinexFIQ|n900: porting hg should be a relatively no-brainer11:53
steinexit's python...11:53
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lolcat93Hey11:57
lolcat93How do I get out of the reboot loop? Charging and usb cable doesnt work...11:57
johnxlolcat93, is your data backed up?11:58
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer51> I fixed the root cause instead :-P11:58
MohammadAGhow?11:58
lolcat93johnx: I'm not sure I have any...11:58
MohammadAGI really hate how ENTER is KP_ENTER...11:58
MohammadAGwhy the fuck did they even do that11:58
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools11:58
lolcat93johnx: Any suggestions?11:59
DocScrutinizerat bottom11:59
lolcat93johnx: I am not far away form returning it to the shop in hope to get a new one11:59
johnxlolcat93, will it wait if you pull battery, plug in usb, hold 'u' (on the N900) and plug in the battery?11:59
johnxlolcat93, returning it is another good answer :)11:59
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pupnikMohammadAG: i'm still wondering about that one12:00
lolcat93when van i releaze u?12:00
lolcat93Looks like it does nothin..12:01
alteregoAww, Mandelbrot is dead12:01
johnxwhen it stops at the 'usb logo' screen12:01
lolcat93Nokia it says12:01
johnxlolcat93, with a little 'usb' icon in the corner?12:01
lolcat93yep12:01
johnxyou're set12:01
johnxreflash12:01
lolcat93how?12:01
johnxwhat OS do you run on your desktop?12:01
lolcat93and can i releaze u?12:02
ShadowJK~flashing12:02
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware12:02
DocScrutinizer~flash12:02
infoboti guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware12:02
lolcat93ubuntu12:02
lolcat93Can I releaze the u?12:02
johnxyeah12:02
DocScrutinizeryes XD12:02
johnxI said 'when it stops at the 'usb logo' screen' a couple minutes ago :)12:03
DocScrutinizerlol12:03
lolcat93Ahh12:03
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lolcat93It was a pita to hold it down while typing and such12:03
* DocScrutinizer cackles12:04
johnx:D yeah, it just forces the device into 'flashing' mode. once it's there you're good12:04
DocScrutinizerI recommend though you switch it off immediately, read ALL the page about flashing, prepare everything, then continue doing same procedure to get to "u" mode12:05
DocScrutinizerotherwise odds are your battery drains to point of no return, which will create a nice deadlock as you can't charge without flashing, and can't flash without prior charging12:06
lolcat93Is this a long thing?12:06
lolcat93I'll get a replacement within a week if I return it12:06
DocScrutinizerflashing? naw, 60s12:06
lolcat93There is no link to download the damn software12:07
* lolcat93 havent slept and is mildly grumpy12:07
johnxmight want to leave it until tomorrow12:07
DocScrutinizerthere is a link, look for URL with nokia in it12:07
johnxsince it will get to flashing mode we know it's possible to restore it, but if you're tired and impatient and screw up the command you might have a whole bunch more work to restore it12:08
lolcat93Oh, I just had to scroll down to see the accept thing12:08
DocScrutinizerunless you drain your battery meanwhile, then suddenly you can't enter flashing mode anymore12:09
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lolcat93Doh it doesnt work with 64 bit...12:09
Corsacbut in case you end up like this, it's still possible to charge your battery with another n900 (or at the store)12:09
Corsaclolcat93: it does, but you need ia32-libs12:10
MohammadAGlolcat93, --force-architecture12:10
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johnxoff-topic: I really wish we had multiarch already ...12:11
lolcat93I guess I will just go to the shop12:12
lolcat93I haven't done anything that could possibly break it12:12
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johnxsounds like a good option :)12:13
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lolcat93johnx: I assume it will take forever12:15
johnxheh. which option?12:15
johnxflashing? maybe 30 minutes total time, including downloading the tools, and ia32-libs, and actually flashing12:15
lolcat93Returning it12:15
lolcat93It will take at least a week12:16
johnxtaking it to a store? yeah maybe instantaneous or maybe weeks12:16
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johnxif you're not comfortable with the CLI there's a GUI flasher for windows12:16
lolcat93But if this happens three times, they are obligated by law to give me my money back, or a new device12:16
lolcat93I'm not really comfortable with Windows anymore12:16
pupnikit's nice when that leaves12:17
lolcat93It is Linux all the way here12:17
pupnikeventually the memories fade too lolcat9312:17
johnxthen, it's time to start getting comfy with the Linux CLI12:17
johnxyou might even get to like it eventually :)12:17
pupnikall those wonderful midnights you wanted to run down the street with a submachinegun12:17
lolcat93With Windows 95 I knew EVERYTHING, I could fix whatever12:17
pupnikshooting into anything that moved12:18
lolcat93But with Vista I know nothing12:18
lolcat93Barley toutched Windows 712:18
lolcat93I like ubuntu, especially here where I have to use a wired network12:18
lolcat93But the fun thing with this phone is that, I got it on the insurance for my stolen N97. Then I got a discount of around $200-300 because it had a scratch in the screen (display phone). I told him I would just loose the money, so he gave me a "package deal" where I got a 16 gb micro-sd card and a handsfree and something else. But on the recite it says I only paid for the N90012:20
johnxwell, that's good and bad :)12:21
lolcat93And the three strike rule is awesome. If I get the money back, I can order it from a cheaper store, and if I get a new one I get rid of the scratch12:21
MohammadAGhow do I suppress killall?12:23
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Corsacrm killall12:23
johnxsuppress?12:24
MohammadAGMohamadAG-N900:/etc$ killall somethingthatisntrunning12:24
MohammadAGkillall: somethingthatisntrunning: no process killed12:24
MohammadAGget rid of that ^12:24
johnxkillall foo 2> /dev/null12:24
MohammadAG2>12:24
MohammadAG?12:24
johnxredirect stderr12:24
johnx1 is stdout12:24
MohammadAGah12:24
MohammadAGthanks :D12:24
johnxuseful construct: killall myprogram 2> /dev/null || echo "my own error message"12:25
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DocScrutinizer51even more useful sometimes: while killall foobar 2>/dev/null; do sleep 0.1; done12:32
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johnxand all sorts of fun variations including printing a '.' everytime you go through the loop :)12:34
johnxthough, uhm, isn't your logic backwards?12:34
DocScrutinizer51backwards logic?12:35
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DocScrutinizer51the loop waits until the process actually terminates12:35
johnxif it was killed, loop?12:35
DocScrutinizer51yes12:36
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johnxyeah, guess I could see that12:36
johnxgreat as long as something isn't respawning it for you ;)12:36
DocScrutinizer51if it's respawning too fast then you're busted12:37
johnxI believe the saying goes " ... and now you have two problems"12:38
johnx~lart comcast's DNS admins12:42
* infobot gives comcast's DNS admins a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades"12:42
johnxthat, uh, isn't helping infobot ...12:43
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iliusi want to install many development packages from debian repo to my scratchbox, but i get dependency error12:46
iliusDepends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed12:46
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johnxilius, then it looks like those packages will need to be reworked before they can be installed12:53
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MohammadAGare there any apps which use QFile to read data?13:18
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MohammadAGnevermind, Symbian example helped :/13:23
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D-IivilHello.13:37
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johnxhallo D-Iivil13:37
D-Iivilwhat's up here?13:37
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johnxnot too much.13:40
johnxlate saturday night :)13:41
D-Iiviljohnx, it's already mid sunday here.13:41
johnxwhat's it like in the future?13:42
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dRbiGhehe :)13:42
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D-IivilPretty much the same as elsewhere I think.13:42
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johnxdo you have flying cars yet?13:42
D-IivilNo, no yet.13:43
johnxbah. I'll just sleep in then13:43
MohammadAGlol13:43
D-IivilYeah, tomorrow's gonna be pretty boring worldwide.13:43
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MohammadAGhmm13:44
MohammadAGI wonder if anyone changed their green full battery light into something else...13:44
D-IivilMohammadAG, why? It should be pretty easy.13:44
MohammadAGcause I want to use a green light in my app lol13:45
D-IivilMohammadAG, you're programming traffic lights app? :P13:45
MohammadAGmaybe :P13:45
D-Iivil"red, orange, GO!"13:46
D-IivilWould actually be pretty cool with 0-60mph gps timer bundled with :P13:46
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MohammadAGD-Iivil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50NhK5tl9xw13:48
D-IivilSince I'm here I will ask this guestion here aswell; is there a way to restart Xorg without rebooting the whole device (N900)?13:48
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MohammadAGwith those boards, when the jailbreak is in progress, it shows a red LED, when it's done, it changes to green13:48
D-IivilMohammadAG, too lazy to try to stream that over 2G...13:48
MohammadAGthe N900 has both colours :)13:48
MohammadAGoh lol13:48
D-IivilAnd I'm already almost out of battery too.13:49
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D-IivilAnyone? No ideas about that Xorg guestion?13:57
psycho_oreosnot on n900 lol13:58
johnxD-Iivil, check in the init script. you might be able to do it, but I doubt it's safe to do all the time13:59
alteregoStrange how without the -opengl option to qmlviewer my code runs smoother and looks better.13:59
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D-Iiviljohnx, will do that, thanks :) I'm just bored to boot the phone while testing stuff and I want to try if restarting Xorg would really clear all cached theme elements and show changed ones like after the reboot :)14:00
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johnxalterego, makes sense. after all, you're already in a composited context without 'opengl' mode ...14:01
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alteregoHrm, maybe, I would have thought some of the QML primitives would be optimized for OpenGL.14:04
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johnxcorrect me if I'm wrong, but I thought that if you tried to use openGL in a window in maemo 5 you'd basically end up having to render-to-texture before it got to the screen14:05
alteregoYeah ..14:06
alteregoWell, no14:07
alteregoNormal programs are effectively being run like that.14:07
alteregoBut if you create a opengl app you get your own gl context.14:07
alteregoActually, when you use the opengl flag on qmlviewer there are more colours, just not good antialiasing and the animations don't seem as smooth.14:08
johnxhuh. what happens when you do the 'app switcher' thing?14:08
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alteregoIt usually works alright, I think becausr then the compositor reads the buffer14:09
johnxif you say so :)14:10
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MohammadAGfirst app which uses LEDs and doesn't break mce? http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui/blobs/master/src/procwatch.cpp :P14:21
* MohammadAG should learn how to use dbus properly instead of using system()14:21
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* johnx makes his own life more difficult than it needs to be 14:23
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pupnikit's really hard to go back to a 770 for browsing :)14:40
* pupnik is amazed how long it took between announcement of omap3 and products with omap314:43
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TermanaN900pupnik, that is horrible. Why would you do such a thing?14:44
TermanaN900:p14:44
oshinhi, anyone know how to add a new encoding to microb?14:44
pupnikTermanaN900: still waiting for my omap3 ship to come in.  waiting since feb 200714:46
oshinbrowser->adjust view->encoding14:47
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fralsMohammadAG: uh, hasnt that req_lead_pattern_activate been known for a while? :D14:53
MohammadAGfrals, true, but most apps write to /sys directly, or disable the engine1 & engine214:54
MohammadAGwriting to /sys eats CPU, disabling engine1 & 2 requires an mce restart after the app's run14:54
MohammadAGfcamera would be an example14:54
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fralsi think i played around wit the dbus stuff when trying to get mms notifications working :P14:55
MohammadAGwith default patterns, I'm sure :)14:55
SpeedEvil'writing to sys eats CPU' ?14:55
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timeless_mbposhin: *WHY*?14:55
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, lemme rephrase, while true; do echo 255 > lednode; done14:56
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oshintimeless_mbp, to force an encoding over a page that use wrong encoding in the html header.14:56
SpeedEvilah14:56
MohammadAGotherwise, mce would turn off the led14:57
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timeless_mbposhin:  let's try again14:57
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timeless_mbpWHAT PAGE!@14:57
timeless_mbpWHICH ENCODING14:57
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* timeless_mbp *hates* users14:57
TermanaN900SHOW ME THE MONEY14:57
oshintimeless_mbp, some thai page that the contents are in iso-8859-11 but the html header says utf-814:57
TermanaN900Oh I'm sorry. Wrong situation14:58
TermanaN900:p14:58
timeless_mbposhin: thai? glory14:58
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oshinany idea?14:58
oshini am bored by grepping.14:58
timeless_mbposhin: personally i'd just yell at the idiotic page author14:59
timeless_mbpthen i'd load content from elsewhere and boycott his page until he fixed it14:59
oshinso you don't know?14:59
timeless_mbpbut if for some *insane* reason you persist in visiting such an idiotic service provider14:59
timeless_mbpto get such *Crappy* content14:59
timeless_mbpthen you're best served by using firefox for mobile, or perhaps opera14:59
oshinit could happened with content automated by bots etc.15:00
timeless_mbpwell some idiot is clearly providing content15:00
oshinanyway, thanks.15:00
timeless_mbpmanaging the bot, etc15:00
timeless_mbpdo the world a favor and complain to that guy15:00
timeless_mbpthe design of microb is to give users choices that make sense for the product15:00
timeless_mbpthe product (the n900) does not include support for Thai15:00
TermanaN900pissing the hell out of timeless_mbp and what not15:00
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timeless_mbpso including menu options which are not remotely useful for 99.99% of the target audience is a huge waste of resources15:01
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timeless_mbpnot counting localization, testing, etc15:01
oshinwell15:01
oshinthere's adjust view option15:01
timeless_mbpit actually confuses the majority of the userbase15:01
oshinand that's a single line of iconv that can be coded15:01
timeless_mbpum15:01
timeless_mbpno15:01
timeless_mbpnot even remotely close15:01
timeless_mbp1. it isn't iconv15:01
timeless_mbpyes, and any poor sap who actually needs to use that for a supported region will be stuck w/ one more useless and confusing option15:01
SpeedEvil3. underpants15:01
oshinand a sane coder should just have loaded another editable text file to map the conversion15:02
timeless_mbpa sane coder wouldn't work for nokia15:02
timeless_mbpand a sane coder would fire a user like you15:02
timeless_mbpi'm picking the latter option15:02
SpeedEvilAlso - nokia has a fundamental problem with UI - they tend to have nigh-immovable specs set in stone.15:02
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: understatement15:02
SpeedEvilWhich do not take account of sensible user comments.15:02
timeless_mbpnote: this user's comments aren't sensible15:03
oshinmay be greasemonkey could help me on this.15:03
timeless_mbposhin: i highly doubt it15:03
pupnik+5 insightful SpeedEvil15:03
oshini bet i can change the html header with it?15:03
timeless_mbposhin:  greasemonkey gets a page once you have the page15:03
SpeedEvilhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 - for example. Mashing two keys shouldn't work -  you should always press them carefully in the right order.15:03
povbotBug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard.15:03
timeless_mbpwhich means decoding is already done15:03
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: yeah, our ui designers are idiots15:03
timeless_mbpthey conspire w/ the intl/l10n/kb people to produce the worst experience possible15:04
timeless_mbpand they're very good at it15:04
oshinill modify polipo then, thanks.15:04
timeless_mbpand by "decoding", please read "destructive mangling"15:04
SpeedEvilI'm unsure. I see the value of consistency - even if it annoys some users. Where I object is whenthat spec is not updated when updating it would not confuse the user in any way or complicate the interface, and be useful for users.15:05
timeless_mbposhin: really, getting decoding right by the time it gets to browsers is full of fail15:05
timeless_mbpand real users can not use such a menu15:05
oshinwe used it all the time here.15:05
timeless_mbpand if someone does manage to screw up the headers, they probably also will manage to *mix* the screwed up content15:05
SpeedEvilThey should all just learn en-us. :)15:05
oshina lot of pages were like that.15:05
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timeless_mbposhin: used which?15:06
oshindue to some migration of database of php webboard i think.. well, dunno.15:06
timeless_mbpwhere?15:06
timeless_mbpah see, some idiot screwed something up15:06
timeless_mbpand instead of you complaining to the right idiot15:06
oshintimeless, do adjustment on page encoding.15:06
timeless_mbpyou come here15:06
timeless_mbpexpecting a miracle15:06
oshini expect some sane in the development.15:06
oshinthat a simple stuffs like encoding should be easily added15:07
timeless_mbpwell, i expect the idiot who screwed up the conversation to be the one who gets whipped15:07
MSJ1983MuhammedAG its there coming any updates on psfreedom?15:07
timeless_mbpthat's where it went wrong15:07
oshinthat's why the world has something called 'work-around'15:07
timeless_mbpthat's where it should be fixed15:07
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timeless_mbpyeah, work-around = find a better content provider15:07
timeless_mbpone which doesn't get this wrong15:07
oshinit's a part of software engineering since stone edge.15:07
* timeless_mbp ponders15:07
timeless_mbpno15:07
timeless_mbpif you can't read EDBIC15:08
timeless_mbpyou don't add support for EDBIC15:08
timeless_mbpyou just don't waste time reading EDBIC15:08
timeless_mbpit saves everyone lots of time and money15:08
MohammadAGMSJ1983, yes, tomorrow hopefully15:08
oshinin about:config there seems to be a list of encoding15:08
timeless_mbpand if someone really wants that EDBIC content, they convert it *properly* and publish it in a supported format15:08
oshinwonder what it can do.15:08
timeless_mbposhin: the MicroB ui is not Gecko15:08
timeless_mbpit's hand written gtk-c15:08
timeless_mbpand the strings are .po/.mo based15:09
timeless_mbpso, in short, "it does nothing"15:09
timeless_mbpyou could of course try Firefox for mobile15:09
* timeless_mbp said that about 30 lines ago15:09
oshinwhat's the package of software that has this adjustview menu implemented?15:09
timeless_mbpoffhand, probably tablet-browser-ui or something15:09
timeless_mbpit's closed15:09
timeless_mbpdon't bother looking for it15:09
oshinheh, i didn't notice firefox thanks15:10
timeless_mbp...15:10
* oshin tries.15:10
timeless_mbposhin: please do me a favor and read everything i write to you instead of ignoring it15:10
timeless_mbpi'm not writing things to you because i like writing15:10
timeless_mbpi'm inherently lazy15:10
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, may I ask why it's closed? it's fairly simple15:10
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oshindude you type to fart and pardon me i am not even a native english user15:10
MohammadAGunlike bme and that stuff15:10
timeless_mbpbut do me the common courtesy of reading answers to questions you ask15:10
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hahlocan you send text message (sms) from command line, and read incoming messages too?15:11
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: management process failure15:11
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Robot101timeless_mbp: you should probably just switch to a different channel, you seem to care about this way too much15:11
timeless_mbposhin: if you don't understand something someone says, ask for clarification15:11
Robot101timeless_mbp: http://xkcd.com/386/15:11
oshinwell firefox is slow15:11
timeless_mbpdon't ignore it15:11
Robot101I left #maemo for a few months, it was great15:11
oshinand yeh i can safely ignore it later.15:11
Robot101in fact it was just my irssi config that brought me back by mistake15:12
oshinlike 'on the fly' ignoring the resolution.15:12
oshins/re//15:12
timeless_mbpRobot101: heh15:12
infobotoshin meant: like 'on the fly' ignoring the solution.15:12
timeless_mbpi was wondering why you ended up back here15:12
Robot101I wonder why you stay here if it makes you so angry :)15:12
timeless_mbpRobot101: it doesn't most of the time :)15:12
timeless_mbpand sometimes people listen15:13
timeless_mbpor at least, i have to hope that once in a while people would listen15:13
Robot101well it doesn't make me angry most of the time either, but when it does it really excels :P15:13
timeless_mbpit could happen!15:13
oshinyeh he's useful most of the time.15:13
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Robot101I'm mostly just laughing at the moment15:13
timeless_mbposhin: you do realize that i *work* on the browser, right?15:13
Robot101which is good because I needed cheering up15:13
oshinhell no!15:13
timeless_mbpyou're more or less asking about my baby and then ignoring me15:13
timeless_mbpwhich is a terrible idea15:14
timeless_mbpand if you don't know what a person here does, there's a part of maemo.org w/ profiles that would tell you15:14
MSJ1983i was thinking about hermes 4 or somthing that come up MuhammadAG15:14
oshini wouldn't bother reading that for just a simple question15:14
oshinlike how to add more encoding and get 'no' rather than 'why'15:14
oshinsee? world work easier that way.15:15
timeless_mbposhin: if there's a major content producer, i'm willing to use that either to contact the producer directly15:15
timeless_mbpor to suggest to some future UI person that we might need to include the option15:15
oshinwell, that's like xml philosophy15:15
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oshinpeople do produces error15:15
timeless_mbps/produces error/produce errors/15:16
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timeless_mbpyes, you've proven that15:16
oshinand why you wasting your time manifying the error?15:16
oshinaren't you producing it as well?15:16
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* timeless_mbp looks up http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manify15:17
timeless_mbpdid you mean magnify?…15:17
timeless_mbposhin: put differently15:17
timeless_mbpif you have content which has a tiny error in it, such as your typos15:17
timeless_mbpyou ignore it, right?15:17
oshinit's fun, but.. i dont have time15:17
oshinyeh15:18
timeless_mbpwhy don't you ignore the minor errors w/ the thai content?15:18
oshinlike rasterman15:18
oshini can't read them15:18
timeless_mbpwhat's so different between the thai content and me?15:18
oshinwell hey, it's cool but later15:18
timeless_mbpwell, why is that thai content so important?15:18
oshinneed to get something done quickly15:18
oshinfriend sutffs15:18
timeless_mbp(this was my original question)15:18
oshinlike chatting board15:18
oshinlater!15:18
timeless_mbpsurely there's an admin you could contact15:19
oshinwell... no15:19
timeless_mbpif you do that, you'll fix your problem forever15:19
oshintoo bad15:19
oshinthey hardly response you know15:19
timeless_mbpinstead of having to fix it for each page or at least each session15:19
timeless_mbphave you tried?15:19
oshinsure15:19
timeless_mbpon this item?15:19
oshini even know his home15:19
timeless_mbp(with pictures)15:19
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oshinwell.. since in other browser they can have default encoding15:20
timeless_mbpwe can too15:20
oshinand adjust encoding that can be easily accessed15:20
timeless_mbpfor a limited set of encodings that made sense for our target audience15:20
oshinpeople lived with it15:20
oshinand they don't bother fixing15:20
oshinah works!15:20
oshinthanks really!15:20
timeless_mbpwhich works? firefox for mobile?15:20
oshinno, firefox desktop15:21
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oshini am on mobile they are on desktop so i don't know15:21
timeless_mbp"you can't take it with you"15:21
timeless_mbpfwiw, i can't see any obvious way to manually add an encoding to Safari on OS X15:21
timeless_mbpand i'd be shocked to discover i could w/ Safari on my iPod touch15:22
timeless_mbp(first I'd have to find my iPod touch, then i'd have to find the charging cable, and then ...)15:22
oshincan't you just edit nib on safari osx?15:22
timeless_mbpthe odds of that doing anything remotely useful are rather poor15:22
timeless_mbpbut sure, i can edit a nib15:22
oshinto add more encoding if the underlying coversion is in something like iconv15:22
timeless_mbpno15:22
timeless_mbpnot generally15:23
timeless_mbpyou're assuming a very specific form of plumbing15:23
timeless_mbpwhich is unlikely to be present15:23
oshinwell i have that in the framework ive been working on say gnustep15:23
timeless_mbpin Gecko's case, sometimes something like that works15:23
oshinadd something we don't code, we fix the nibs15:23
timeless_mbpbut in MicroB or Safari, you typically have a UI which maps a stringID to a number and a user visible string15:24
timeless_mbpthe number is then specifically hard coded to do work in a couple of functions15:24
timeless_mbpso adding a new user visible string does nothing15:24
timeless_mbpbecause there's no hard coding on the other side for the other number to do what you want ™15:24
oshini think i better port libobjc2 to meego15:25
oshinthanks!15:25
timeless_mbp(this is definitely true for MicroB, how accurate it is for Safari, I can't say)15:25
timeless_mbp"have fun storming the castle"15:25
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* timeless_mbp wonders if people recognize that line15:27
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oshinyeh it's cool15:27
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oshinbtw15:28
oshinwhen i say "ah works" it means argh i have some works to do.15:28
oshini just found the conversaions' meaning went downhill lol15:29
timeless_mbpoh, you meant "ah, work :(", not "ah, [it] works"15:29
* timeless_mbp sighs15:30
oshinyeh15:30
oshinlol15:30
oshinwelll15:30
timeless_mbpsee, getting things right is important15:30
oshinn/m15:30
oshinsure15:30
oshinbut we can fixed it later15:30
oshinlike now15:30
timeless_mbpdepends15:30
timeless_mbpthat requires someone to recognize there was a mistake15:30
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timeless_mbpand it assumes no one storms off in a huff15:30
timeless_mbp(as Robot101 suggested)15:30
oshinjust different approach on how to collecting expereience on how to producing error15:31
oshini am thinking of something, sorry for the grammar15:31
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pupnik_http://apps.open-pandora.org/cgi-bin/viewarea.pl?Games15:36
pupnik_Games, portable to n900. There15:36
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pupnik_is there any compiler that can obfusticate the resulting binary, maybe sign each with a unique hash?15:47
MSJ1983more hames15:49
MSJ1983:-15:49
MSJ1983games :-)15:49
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pupnik_MSJ1983: there are only a handful un-ported ones.  but some look cool15:52
MSJ1983jaii...15:53
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MSJ1983somebody tried live wallpapers on the nokia n90015:53
MSJ1983myne crashes now all time15:53
MSJ1983somebody know what do to15:53
MSJ1983i can not make i normal again15:54
MSJ1983plz help15:54
lcukMSJ1983, hrm15:55
lcukwhich specific ones are you trying15:55
lcukand whats the actual errors and when do they happen15:55
MSJ1983that withe ariplane15:55
MSJ1983and city15:55
MSJ1983thing15:55
MSJ1983crap program15:55
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xDaReaperxHey15:55
xDaReaperxhow's everyone doing ?15:55
pupnik_weee15:57
MSJ1983somebody know if i reset the nokia n900 what happend to my contackts15:57
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MohammadAGhmm15:58
MohammadAGtop metal bar is making an annoying click whenever I touch it15:59
MohammadAGany fixes?15:59
MSJ1983:_(15:59
MohammadAGlcuk, I noticed the new hildon-desktop (probably for PR1.3) has live-bg code in it16:00
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lcukMohammadAG, its been there for a while, or do you mean new code16:01
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MohammadAGnot sure, but it has to do with the desktop bg not moving when live-bg is active16:02
MohammadAGwhich wasn't planned in the old PR1.2 live-bg16:02
lcukafaik its there already, since livewp has option for one background over all screens as does gas balls16:02
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xDaReaperxAnyone from India here ? i needed to know if there were any stores where i could buy the N900 screen protector16:09
SpeedEvilI used ebay for mine.16:09
SpeedEvilGot a pack of 10, used 116:10
SpeedEvil316:10
xDaReaperxCost ?16:10
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MohammadAG51got a DQC-16016:11
SpeedEvil3.99 pounds I think.16:11
SpeedEvilreally cheap16:11
xDaReaperxomg thats so cheap16:11
xDaReaperxMartin Fields costs like 20 $ with shipping for 116:11
SpeedEvilyes16:11
SpeedEvilI'm not saying these protectors fon't suck compred to an expensive one - but personally, they make the device no harder to use, and protect mys crren from scratches.16:12
* lcuk was surprised by how many multitouch devices failed the boobie test16:12
MohammadAG51boobie? test?16:13
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Chanio.016:13
MohammadAG51Vikuiti DQC-160, about €10 shipped i think16:13
Appiahcontrolling the device with boobs?16:13
MohammadAG51using it since january16:14
xDaReaperxOw .... Okay do they provide a clear display  ?16:14
lcukMohammadAG51, multitouch computers from lots of manufacturers, I played with a load of them and just try to draw 2 big circles on the screen one with each hand16:14
MohammadAG51device got scratched, screen didn't16:14
lcuklike boobies16:14
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Chaniaww. that's a far less entertaining mental image ;)16:14
lcukChani, I walked out of the store leaving loads of screens with amusingly incorrect drawings16:15
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MohammadAG51lol16:15
Chanihehe16:15
lcuki removed the youtube of it, but I have the original video from earlier this year here..16:15
MohammadAG51liqbase.net? :P16:16
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp416:16
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lcukthere was a hp dual mode slate which appeared to work better than naything :) it even had a stylus!16:16
lcukanything ^16:16
xDaReaperxshould be on TPB16:17
MohammadAG51i want to disassemble the screen16:18
MohammadAG51but i'm scared16:18
lcukMohammadAG51, my n900 is scratched o_O16:18
lcukhappened sometime on my trip16:18
xDaReaperxmy N900's screen is scratched .. very lightly though .. caused by the stupid stylus16:19
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MohammadAG51i pulled the headset out of my pocket, the n900 was connected, it didn't hold well so it hit the ground16:19
lcukxDaReaperx, the stylus does not scratch the screen16:19
lcukbut it has a very small surface area and if it catches a piece of grit16:19
MohammadAG51got a scratch on the battery cover16:19
lcukit will carry it around16:19
MohammadAG51and near the right speaker16:20
* lcuk used a wet wipe on the plane and made it squeeky clean16:20
MohammadAG51metal bar is still new, but it creaks at the top now16:20
xDaReaperxi don't know but when ever i use the stylus , while scrolling i fell like i'm scratching the screen16:20
xDaReaperxits barely visible , but i'd better get a screen protector16:20
lcukxDaReaperx, I have learnt to feel that situation16:21
lcukits like trying to write with a pencil with broken lead tip16:21
lcukyou "feel" it quickly16:21
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xDaReaperxkind of16:21
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lcukahhh I also did that video: http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.confused.multitouch.20100329_006.mp416:22
xDaReaperxlol16:22
SpeedEvilI found that a sharpened bit of twig was actually much less liably to grab grit than the pointer.16:23
lcukits frustrating because microsoft surface components include multiplayer games16:23
SpeedEvilOddly.16:23
lcukSpeedEvil, potentially because the grit could be taken up into the wood a little16:24
SpeedEvilI _wrecked_ my first protector due to 'blocks'.16:24
lcukhaha16:24
lcuki was once on the train16:24
lcukand a woman next to me pulled out a dell axiom16:24
lcukI couldnt see her actual screen pixels16:24
lcukbut the reflection caught her scratch marks16:25
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xDaReaperxthe internet says using a banana could remove scratches =/16:25
lcukand she must play solitaire every single day16:25
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SpeedEvilxDaReaperx: Rub a bananna in your eye, and you can't see scratches.16:26
xDaReaperxhaha16:26
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SpeedEvilIn practice, removing scratches is very much harder trhan not creating them.16:26
SpeedEvilAlso - the gel on the backof screen protectors will cover up most.16:26
* lcuk once tried to remove a scratch from CRT with anti glare coating16:27
SpeedEvilI did that too.16:27
SpeedEvilI ended up going over the screen with SiC paper, to make it even, and then coating with linseed oil.16:28
SpeedEvilIt worked surprisingly well.16:28
DocScrutinizer~moo16:28
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass16:28
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SpeedEvilActually.16:28
SpeedEvilMore methane comes out of the mouth.16:28
pupnik_curse infobot for putting that song in my head16:30
xDaReaperxlol srsly ? banana's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfT9qfVkVQM16:30
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xDaReaperxsad thing is i can't buy online i'm like only 1716:43
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xDaReaperxcould have bought a screen protector online or else16:43
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* RST38h yawns16:45
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RST38hYou can buy online even if you are only a dog16:45
xDaReaperxlike how ?16:45
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xDaReaperxi dont have a credit card ... also16:46
xDaReaperxnot even a bank account lol16:46
nidOwell your restriction isnt being 1716:46
nidOits not having a bank account.16:46
RST38hThey won't sell you booze, but you can probably get uranium chloride16:46
xDaReaperxmeaning ?16:47
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xDaReaperxnidO: true16:48
MyrttiI've had a bank account since I was 516:48
Myrttihow can someone not have a bank account at 17?16:48
Myrtti*boggle*16:48
xDaReaperxnah i dont have one sadly no joke16:48
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DocScrutinizerMyrtti: tztztzz16:49
MohammadAGget a debit card?16:49
xDaReaperxhmm no , i have paypal with no cash in it16:49
DocScrutinizerlo MohammadAG16:49
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MohammadAGin Israel they let you buy one at any age, yet in other shops they think having a credit/debit card means your 18+16:50
MohammadAGo/ DocScrutinizer16:50
DocScrutinizerhah!! now we got to the root issue - you got no MONEY16:50
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, go out and buy one16:50
xDaReaperxuh i get pocket money16:50
MohammadAGour local post office sells debit card16:50
MohammadAGs16:50
xDaReaperxhmm ok16:50
MohammadAGhi Termana *cracks knuckles*16:51
Termanaerrr hello16:51
Termanawhat have I done now? :p16:51
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MohammadAGyou showed up xP16:51
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Termanaheh :P16:51
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RST38hMyrrti: I did not have bank account at 17.16:52
RST38hBut as I didn't have any money either, it didn't bother me:)16:53
xDaReaperxwell i went to getjar.com yesterday and i wrote to them about including Maemo application softwares on their website  and include support for the phones N770, N800 , N810 and N900, i got an email saying : We're working on it.Thanks,16:53
TermanaxDaReaperx, resistive screens seem to scratch more easily and the worst bit about them is that you can actually feel and hear it as you use it (once you've scratched it - feels/sounds aweful)16:53
TermanaEither resistive screens or maybe it's just Nokia's16:53
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xDaReaperxyes thats right ... thats why it feels weird while using the stylus to scroll and stuff16:54
TermanaBut I got it on my N810 and it seems to be starting on my n900 as well16:54
* DocScrutinizer stares at N900 "switching on" from act_dead, like the 1000th time, wondering...16:54
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xDaReaperxI don't know but , Nokia had better touch screen on the N9716:55
sivangdashavoo: act_dead?16:55
DocScrutinizer~lart xDaReaperx16:55
* infobot turns xDaReaperx into a lifesized tux doll16:55
dashavoosivang: huh?16:55
xDaReaperxwow lol16:55
Termanasivang, I think you meant DocScrutinizer16:56
dashavooaah, tabcomplete fail16:56
DocScrutinizerETAB16:56
Termanasivang, and act_dead is the state it's in when you plug the charger in when it's off and it starts booting and then goes "dead"16:56
DocScrutinizersivang: act_dead aka "charging" aka possibly runlevel 116:57
dashavoodoes anyone have any idea why I can't connect to the network using mobilehotspot? Months ago it worked fine, but nowadays it all seems to start ok but I can't connect.16:58
DocScrutinizerdepending on a few config vars it can even run updates in that state, keep GSM data connections and whatnot16:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, when the device is charging, X is up16:58
MohammadAGno idea why16:58
dashavooi was googling for the answer for a while, but there is only so much i can stand using the internet on a phone screen16:58
MohammadAGTermana, Nokia, the N900 scratches more than the N9716:59
xDaReaperxyes thats what i meant ^16:59
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I think that's heritage from N810/diablo where there was an always-on charging screen16:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so it might be actually runlevel 516:59
DocScrutinizeror that17:00
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, the N900 has a charging screen, no battery indicator though17:00
MohammadAGthe screen can be forced on by some changes to the kernel coupled with R&D mode17:00
MohammadAGit just shows the 5 moving dots continuously17:00
DocScrutinizerFFS17:01
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dashavoodamn this dodgy phone network >=(17:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I know, it's half baked and stupid17:03
dashavoodid anyone respond to my question by any chance?17:04
DocScrutinizerwtf?17:04
DocScrutinizerOct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch'17:04
DocScrutinizerdashavoo: nope17:05
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sivangDocScrutinizer: OMGz17:05
Sceltany rumored change logs for pr1.3?17:05
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sivangScelt: most centrainly it won't inclue the fix to the microb tap in problem :)17:06
AppiahThere will be none! people will have to figure out what changed17:06
Sceltsivang: microb tap?17:06
sivangDocScrutinizer: I had a feeling this what happens, I guess that it why when the battery is completely dead it goes bricked.17:06
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RST38hScelt: "None of the most popular bmo bugs will be fixed.Ever. "17:07
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lcuksivang, you mean it becomes unbootable for an unspecified amount of time17:07
SceltRST38h: ;D17:07
sivanglcuk: heh, yeah soemthing like that17:07
lcuknormally once something is bricked, its only ever future usecase is as a brick in a wall :P17:07
* RST38h laughs satanically and displays a pair of lightup horns17:07
sivangheh17:07
DocScrutinizersivang: err sorry?17:07
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lcukRST38h, :D17:07
lcukgetting ready for halloween17:08
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sivangDocScrutinizer: Well, when you get the battery *completely* drained, and you need to restore the rootfs,17:08
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sivangDocScrutinizer: you need to charge the battery esle where17:08
sivangDocScrutinizer: since quite design errornously, it needs to boot to charge.17:08
sivangbut I had a hunch since i saw messages are getting updated17:09
xDaReaperxcan the N900 ever have Multi touch ?17:09
Sceltnope17:09
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TermanaIt already does17:09
TermanaMAWAHAHAHA17:09
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> Oct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch'17:09
MohammadAGit auto opens apps to speed up the way they launch17:10
MohammadAGala iPhone I think17:10
MohammadAGedit the .desktop file to change that17:10
TermanaOkay, so not traditional multi touch but you can do fake multi touch on it :p17:10
DocScrutinizersivang: err, yes? known issue - though I don't agree on the part "quite design errornously,"17:10
sivangDocScrutinizer: can you please explain? I would expect charging to not rely on anything that could block getting the device back into usable state17:11
MohammadAGScelt, yes, PR1.3 solves the US recession problems17:11
MohammadAGChange, is coming!17:11
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sivangDocScrutinizer: but then again, I'm not a hardware expert17:11
xDaReaperxOw like that cool17:11
sivangDocScrutinizer: so this might be a technical constraint which is unsolveable17:11
RST38hOh, Mohammad, REALLY?17:11
SceltMohammadAG: wat is dat?17:11
sivangMohammadAG: PR1.3 has been announced?17:11
DocScrutinizersivang: bq24150 charger chip isn't perfect, but among the best you can get for the given amount of money17:12
MohammadAGRST38h, yes, it also bring world peace17:12
MohammadAGand solves poverty and famine17:12
RST38hAnything about unicorns?17:12
derfIt will also get you laid.17:12
MohammadAGsivang, in all seriousness, no, but it's coming17:12
RST38hderf: nooooooooooooo...17:12
DocScrutinizersivang: Nokia could listen to my suggestion and include a 'hold C' mode for charging, to MOLO17:12
DocScrutinizererr Nolo17:12
sivangMohammadAG: I know it is coming, thought there was something new on that :)17:12
RST38hDoc: The first partof that sentence is guaranteed to be false.17:13
sivangDocScrutinizer: but they didn't? maybe you can suggest this to meego?17:13
DocScrutinizerbut that's not a hw design issue17:13
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DocScrutinizermeego doesn't deal with bootloaders17:13
MohammadAGsivang NOLO doesn't have to do with maemo or meego17:13
DocScrutinizererrr17:13
DocScrutinizermaybe it does :-)17:13
MohammadAGno17:13
sivangMohammadAG: as it is the boot loader?17:13
DocScrutinizeryes17:13
MohammadAGMeeGo chainloads using uboot17:13
sivangah right17:14
sivangdoes this make things better?17:14
DocScrutinizeruBoot is a bootloader :-P17:14
sivangand NOLO is?17:14
MohammadAGtrue, but it doesn't have to do with nolo17:14
MohammadAGNOkia LOader17:14
MohammadAGor something17:14
TermanaI still don't think it should need any user input, it should just play fucking dead and charge, not even try to boot. :P anyway17:14
DocScrutinizerNOLO is a bootloader as well17:15
MohammadAGTermana, flash a broken kernel, it'll do that17:15
MohammadAGbut NOLO kicks brightness to 255, so it might use more power than the bq will supply17:15
TermanaMohammadAG, sure, but who else is closer to Nokia than the MeeGo N900 adaptation team :p17:15
DocScrutinizerthat's why the trick they are going to use for meego is called chainloading17:15
sivangTermana++17:15
MohammadAGat least with the emergency charging stuff17:15
TermanaMohammadAG, yes that's great (and I already knew it would do that), but it doesn't help when your battery is flat17:15
Termanaand you have a reboot loop or something like that17:16
MohammadAGTermana, all finnish peeps :P17:16
DocScrutinizerTermana: technically act_dead is a fully booted state17:16
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MohammadAGTermana, that's the point, flash a kernel that kernel panics17:16
TermanaDocScrutinizer, no, I mean act dead as in stay the hell off, not act_dead17:16
MohammadAG-> no reboot loop, it just drools there17:16
TermanaMohammadAG, you can't flash when the battery is below a certain point17:17
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MohammadAGTermana, yes  you can, use a knife on the flash17:17
TermanaMohammadAG, FLASH, I don't want SLASH it17:17
DocScrutinizerTermana: it will charge to 3.7V maximum without booting, which isn't exactly what you'd expect it to do normally when "charging"17:17
TermanaDocScrutinizer, and what's the minimum level to reflash?17:18
DocScrutinizerdunno, maybe 3.8V17:18
DocScrutinizeranyway, if it's for reflashing, then you'll need NOLO no matter what. So why not charge in NOLO (which means hardware *has* booted) rather than requiring hw to do the charging unattended17:20
DocScrutinizeror charge in uBoot for that behalf, as we can't patch NOLO that simply17:21
TermanaDocScrutinizer, your solution of using a button to put it into a charging mode in NOLO is acceptable, certainly better than it is at the moment.17:21
DocScrutinizerOTOH with uBoot you got proper dual boot in place and can as well boot to a working OS for charging17:21
TermanaI still think it's better for it to just stay off. Especially from a user point of view.17:22
DocScrutinizerTermana: nonsense17:22
TermanaDocScrutinizer, the other thing with having to press a button is that you have to sit with it while it emergency charges and quickly hit it before it starts trying to boot.17:22
DocScrutinizerfrom a user POV it means you got no proper charging indication17:22
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DocScrutinizerall other aspects are not a bit different from user POV17:22
TermanaDocScrutinizer, sure you do. My Desire shows an orange light while it's charging, and a green light when it's done17:23
TermanaDocScrutinizer, what other output are you getting in act_dead? None17:23
TermanaJust the LED17:23
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DocScrutinizerTermana: oh, you're discussing hardware mods now - the severe kind like ripping out whole charging circuit and replacing it by something different and much more expensive. Sure, you are free to do that, on your N900 :-P17:24
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Termanaheh :p17:25
DocScrutinizerTermana: and how the heck are you sure about your Desire is *not* booted to do the whole charging and LED blinkenlights?17:26
TermanaDocScrutinizer, its not booted into USERSPACE.17:26
DocScrutinizer/kick Termana17:26
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xDaReaperxmeh17:26
TermanaDocScrutinizer, I know this because I completely wiped the userspace on it.17:26
Termana(and the charging mechanism continued functioning when off)17:27
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DocScrutinizerTermana: don't you think that's done in Desire's bootloader, just like I suggested doing it on N900? Why do you want to ruin your N900 by stupid hw mods, and why are you arguing with me about that, stealing my time?17:32
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, It is possibly done in the bootloader, but it shouldn't need to turn on and have the user press a button (which is your n900 solution), you should be able to just put it on the charger and leave it there. Secondly, I'm not doing stupid hardware mods I was comparing it to another device and as to your final question, you have nothing else to do and your in an IRC channel, so I am discussing the merits of what I feel is17:35
Termanaa design flaw by Nokia with someone that has more brain capacity than someone on t.m.o17:35
DocScrutinizersorry I don't get this. But I feel like I'm not actually interested in getting it17:36
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eichihello, someone knows, how to get maps in the eCoach with N800?17:43
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xDaReaperxi use google latitude better than maps17:49
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* lardman considers PythonQtObjectPtrs18:10
* MohammadAG curses translating Python to C++18:10
lardmanperhaps PythonQt would be of interest then18:11
MohammadAGI hate python18:11
lardmanPython scripting within C++/Qt18:11
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MohammadAGand I'm 90% complete18:11
lardmanPython is ok, at least it's quick and doesn't require a compiler18:11
MohammadAGbut I'm stuck at the help window18:11
lardmanand it also has lots of "libraries" available18:11
MohammadAGwhich is some ugly code imo18:12
oshin+1 hate py18:12
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* lardman wonders if implementing python plugins for mBarcode was a waste of time then!18:12
oshinlove objective-c and can see everybody -1 for it18:12
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jV7jtLY418:13
MohammadAGlardman, see how ugly that is ^?18:13
lardmanhmm, interesting approach there18:14
MohammadAGthere must be an easier way18:15
MohammadAGI just want a window with Phat Slim18:15
MohammadAGselect model18:15
MohammadAGthen it displays page 118:15
MohammadAGwith next button18:15
MohammadAGpage 2 with next/back18:15
MohammadAGnext and back would use the next or previous image18:15
lardmanbig select{}18:15
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MohammadAGerr?18:16
lardmanbut don't ask me, I just write procedural code :)18:16
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pupniklardman: sometimes these things happen slowly18:16
* pupnik is also procedural generation18:16
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lardmanall in one fn, then use a variable to hold the page # and change the label contents accordingly18:17
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fralsMohammadAG: dont blame the language when the developer has been writing shitting code ;)18:19
MohammadAGfrals, python is slow, admit it :)18:19
MohammadAGfMMS is the slowest app (to start at least) on my N90018:19
MohammadAGon a PC, you might notice it, but on a 600MHz device with a shitty eMMC...18:19
fralsbrowser is slowe when not prestarted ;-)18:20
lardmanOooh, I've just received my first MMS, speaking of which18:20
lardmanI wondered why my phone had decided to go online for no apparent reason18:20
MohammadAGfrals, the browser loads a whole engine ;)18:20
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MohammadAGfrals, does fMMS have a daemon of some sort?18:21
lardmanMohammadAG: that lurks in browserd afair18:21
MohammadAGI got an MMS notification and it wasn't running18:21
fralsyes, the daemon is responsible for notifications etc18:21
MohammadAGah18:21
fralsie the client doesnt have to be open :p18:21
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lardmanCurious, I connected to my wifi connection, then fmms told me I'd need to change connection and afict it's just connected to it again18:22
MohammadAGfrals, anyway, I've given up on python for large apps, eats too much memory and it's slow18:22
MohammadAGPSFreedom takes 12 seconds to load in Python, 4 in C++/Qt18:22
fralslardman: that part of the code is a tad buggy.. i blame icd2 for not doing as i tell it to ;)18:22
lardmanso I should connect to the mms connection manually?18:23
fralslardman: yeah, thats the foolproof way of doing it18:23
fralsMohammadAG: 12 seconds sounds a tad excessive.. but 4 in compiled sounds bad as well imo :D18:24
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lardmanhmm, doesn't like the connection18:24
lardmanperhaps that's why I've never managed to send an MMS18:24
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MohammadAGfrals, well, my N900 takes 6 mins to boot up, do the  maths :P18:25
fralslardman: quite possibly :P18:26
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lardmanone of those things I use so infrequently that I can never be bothered to track down where exactly it's failing18:27
lardmannever mind18:27
fralsMohammadAG: fmms starts in ~5secs on my device fwiw :p18:27
fralslardman: if you cant connect to the mms apn manually there is no way fmms can send/receive messages :)18:27
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MohammadAGfrals 1118:28
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lardmanfrals: of course, but I used to be able to connect to the Vodafone one, though no messages could pass, and now it's automatically set me up with a wap.voicestream.com (iirc) server18:29
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* MohammadAG slaps Noobmonk3y with a compiled frals18:31
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* Noobmonk3y giggles18:31
* Noobmonk3y waves18:31
Noobmonk3ylo alls18:31
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MohammadAGmy hands hurt :/18:31
lardmantoo much slapping?18:32
* MohammadAG curses rock band, continues playing18:32
Noobmonk3ylol!!18:32
Noobmonk3yhahaha18:32
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* lardman wonders how to return a QStringList from Python18:34
Noobmonk3yby feeding it bacon18:34
lardmanno, feeding me bacon makes me look at the docs so I can write the right code ;)18:35
Noobmonk3ylol what ya doing with it?18:35
Noobmonk3ycould chuck it into a list?18:35
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Noobmonk3yQStringList list;18:36
Noobmonk3ylist = str.split(",");18:36
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lardmanam writing an mBarcode plugin which itself contains and handles all the Python plugins to be supported via PythonQt18:36
Noobmonk3yoooooooooo18:36
kerioBACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!18:36
kerioNoobmonk3y: ";"?18:37
keriowtf18:37
lardmanI need to interogate each Python plugin to get things like name, description, which barcodes it wants to handle and pass them to the C++ code which handles the overall plugin arch18:37
Noobmonk3ylol kerio :P18:37
Noobmonk3ylard, that just sounds confusing :)18:37
PillumHangup tset: unknown terminal type xterm18:38
lardmanyeah is pretty confusing18:38
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Pillumi cant change my scratchbox target18:38
Noobmonk3ywb lcuk18:38
Pillumcan someone help me with that?18:38
lardmanignore the layered plugins bit, that's just so that mBarcode doesn't require people to install python unless they want to18:38
lcukhey Noobmonk3y \o18:38
lardmanhey lcuk18:38
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Noobmonk3yhey hey ! :)18:38
lcukPillum, why not? run sb-menu, kill all the existing processes in current target then switch ?18:38
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lcukhiya lardman \o18:39
Pillumlcuk:  Hangup \n tset: unknown terminal type xterm \n Terminal type?18:39
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Pillumusing Ubuntu 10.1018:40
lcukPillum, huh? at what point and was it working happily before you did this?18:40
lcukand have you tried rebooting your ubuntu :P18:40
Pillummom :D18:40
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MohammadAGPillum, CTRL^C then start scratchbox again18:41
Pillumits a fresh sdk installation from yesterday18:41
MohammadAGI get the same18:41
Pillumdidnt used it since then18:41
MohammadAGit'll switch targets properly18:41
Pillumk18:41
MohammadAGyou just have to restart scratchbox18:41
lcuklardman, are you a red or a white wine person?18:41
lardmanred for sure18:41
Pillumis there a mlt package available for n900 yet?18:41
Pillumneed that for audio/video cutter18:42
lcukPillum, try it and see18:42
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Noobmonk3ytalkinf of wine... must be time for a quick glass :)18:42
Noobmonk3ytalking* even18:42
lcukanyone would think you had one already18:43
Noobmonk3y;)18:43
lcukhey Noobmonk3y I met frals last week and contrary to popular beileve, he does not carry a quick release trout in a scabbard18:43
Noobmonk3yomg! and yay!!! - he came to the UK, or was this the meego convention thingy?18:44
lardmanwhat about a pike?18:44
lcukNoobmonk3y, helsinki meego meetup18:44
Noobmonk3yluck - if he showed you his hidden trout supply, he would then have to kill u!18:44
lcuklardman, that would fit better I assume18:44
Noobmonk3yomg - havnt been to sinki in 10+ years!18:44
Noobmonk3ybrb18:45
lcuk\o18:45
* lardman wonders if Noobmonk3y has a teleporter18:45
lcukso lardman what goes better with chicken, red or white?18:46
Noobmonk3ywhite :P18:47
lardmanyeah18:47
lardmanthough I'll drink red with anything18:47
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Noobmonk3yunless you cook chicken + bacon, and then a fruity red :P18:47
food_noob_lcukheh18:47
mikki-kundoesn't it partially depend on what sauce you are having for chicken?18:47
lardmanyeah, with a strong sauce a more robust red might be applicable18:47
food_noob_lcukfound out mcdonalds do a BIG BACON18:47
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kerioMORE BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!18:48
MohammadAGhmm18:48
MohammadAGmy HP laptop has some accelerometer process in windows18:48
MohammadAGI wonder if it has an accelerometer :O18:48
* lcuk shall let hosts select fine wines to go with dinner :)18:48
keriolcuk: MORE BACON DAMMIT18:49
lcukMohammadAG, dont most laptops have accelerometer nowadays?18:49
lcukeven if the tech is in the harddrive18:49
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lcukeven my old x41 has one18:49
* SpeedEvil ponders putting an accel and gyro and magno in laptop.18:49
SpeedEvilProbably silly.18:50
lcukSpeedEvil, in a normal laptop its a bit wasteful18:50
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lcukbut in a slate its more practical18:50
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MohammadAGhmm, /sys/module/hp_accel18:51
MohammadAG'HP accelerometer: free fall detection working, testers wanted' - MARC LOL18:51
lcukhaha18:51
lcukn900fly18:51
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Noobmonk3ylol18:52
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pupniksome days all i eat is ramen and popcorn18:55
pupnikthat can't be good18:55
Pillumwhere is /usr/local located in the scratchbox?18:55
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lcukpupnik, some days I eat rice only18:56
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RST38has long as you both eat daily...18:56
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Pillumah got it18:56
MohammadAGis there a way to get the number of a SIM card, without dialing anything?18:56
jacekowskino18:57
jacekowskinumber isn't stored on sim card18:57
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SpeedEvillcuk: yes.18:58
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SpeedEvillcuk: It's just I'm about to be ordering the accel/gyro for the n90018:58
SpeedEvillcuk: And I have schematics for my x60s, and am taking it apart anyway to fix the case.18:59
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Pillumwhen try to run ppu-gcc i get this:  bash: /usr/local/ps3dev/ppu/bin/ppu-gcc: No such file or directory19:03
Pillumit is in the path19:03
Pillumbtw. im running this on scratchbox19:03
Pillumwithout scratchbox it runs fine19:03
Pillumchanging to that dir manually doesnt help either19:04
MohammadAGjacekowski, yeah, I know it's assigned at the operator19:04
MohammadAGjacekowski, is there a way to get the number with fixed dialing active?19:04
Pillumfixed dialing?19:05
MohammadAGPillum, umm, compiling the bins for PSFreedom should be done OUTSIDE scratchbox19:05
PillumMohammadAG: just following this guide: http://psfreedom.com/wiki/Nokia_N900#Compile_using_kernel-power_.28titan.27s.29_maemo_kernel19:05
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Pillumlatest psfreedom compiled for power kernel if someone needs it19:19
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Noobmonk3ybloody hell Nokia QT SDK takes aaaages to install!19:37
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, installed in 5 minutes here19:43
Noobmonk3ymeh -19:43
MohammadAGand I have to say it's awesome19:43
Noobmonk3yalmost 1 hour 45 mins here so far, at 61%19:43
MohammadAGexcept for the madde bit where it removes any packages with the existing name19:43
Noobmonk3yooo 63%19:43
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lcukRevdKathy, how is your Sunday going thusfar?19:45
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RST38hFun, fun: http://gizmodo.com/5665968/massive-outage-nukes-older-peek-devices19:53
RST38hAnd you, people, complain about N900 sending a single SMS to Nokia...19:53
Noobmonk3yyou people?19:53
Noobmonk3yor you, people even...19:53
Noobmonk3ylol19:53
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Noobmonk3ymeh, sdk installer stuck at 63%19:54
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Noobmonk3y"Downloading archive for component Madde Qt 4.6.2" - meh19:58
Noobmonk3yoo jumped 1% in 15 mins :|20:01
RST38hNoob: Accept that it doesn't like you, terminate, restart20:03
Noobmonk3ymeh meh meh meh20:05
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, downloading?20:07
MohammadAGI used the offline installer haha20:07
Noobmonk3yoh20:07
Noobmonk3yi used what it gave me20:07
Noobmonk3yahhh, at 75% now20:08
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steinexr20:19
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DocScrutinizer~hostmode20:35
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post82419720:35
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alteregoHrm, I reflashed eMMC and rootfs the otherday and now Ovi store isn't working, anyone know why?20:44
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Noobmonk3yalterego: ovi store not working, sounds like a fix to me ;)20:45
Surfawell, you'd miss couple of good apps and games20:45
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alteregoYeah, I wanna download some stuff I bought :P20:46
alteregoSome stuff I bought that I've not backed up ;)20:46
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Noobmonk3yahhhhhhhhhhhh20:46
Noobmonk3ywhats the error?20:47
alteregoTakes me to the maemo ovi page20:47
alteregoWhich says update the software O_o20:47
alteregoI remmeber this being a known issue with some users a while ago.20:47
Noobmonk3yhmmmm, have seen it before bu i'm a bit rusty, you need some brains like MohammadAG or lcuk to assist :)20:48
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alteregoThis is basically the issue: http://www.lookatbowen.com/2010/06/how-to-avoid-ovi-store-not-working-on-n90020:49
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lcukmy brain is offline this weekend20:49
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Noobmonk3y94% GOOOOOOOOOOO AWWWWWWWWWWWWWN installer!20:50
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alteregoOh, hahah20:50
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MohammadAGalterego, osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0"20:50
alteregoI forgot I installed that ^.^20:50
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Noobmonk3ylol20:51
* Noobmonk3y knew that mo had some hidden braininess somewhere :)20:51
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alteregoSeems after I installed that user agent switcher it screwed it up.20:53
alteregoFigures. :)20:53
MohammadAGlol Noobmonk3y20:53
MohammadAGit's the command I use in the SSU package20:53
MohammadAGso ovi doesn't break20:53
Noobmonk3y;)20:53
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, rewrite healthcheck in C++/Qt :)20:54
lcukrewrite it in asm/qt20:54
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: as soon as it actually installs i might get round to it! had today free! but spent most of it looking at this darn installer!20:55
MohammadAGlcuk, rewrite liqbase in whitespace20:55
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: i agree, lcuk should do that20:55
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, should've downloaded the offline installer lol20:55
Noobmonk3ythe weird thing, he probably could lol20:55
MohammadAG900MBs, but it installs in 5 minutes20:55
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: i should have got a better tinterweb connection20:55
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MohammadAGit might be bad, but mine isn't better lol20:56
MohammadAGI finally found a freenode server that doesn't lag20:56
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Noobmonk3ylol!20:56
lcukMohammadAG, Noobmonk3y - whitespace is a tricky language, but I can write native brainf*ck and transliterate into whitespace code if you like20:59
Noobmonk3yhahaha :P :)21:00
MohammadAGlcuk, fine by me, I'll shit bricks when I see the binary21:00
Noobmonk3yw0000p 96%!21:00
keriobraincopter is way better21:00
lcukbrainf*ck is fairly logical, afaik its turing complete too21:01
keriomalbolge is turing complete too, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to use it21:01
lcukreasonable21:01
SpeedEvilpiet is also turing complete.21:01
lcukbut seeing as if github thinks liqbase playground is already written in visual basic, I don't suppose brainf*ck is much more difficult :P21:02
keriobraincopter is better than piet21:02
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SpeedEvilPiet and liqbase would seem to go together.21:02
* lcuk should get his visual basic -> liq* generating qt projects someday21:02
kerioi know of a guy working on a c2bf converter21:02
lcukSpeedEvil, :D21:02
lcukkerio, thats easy21:02
lcuktry perl2bf21:02
lcukkerio -> for c, get gcc to generate asm, then generate bf direct from the asm21:03
keriolcuk: pypy to c to asm to bf!21:03
lcuknow we are talking!21:03
* Noobmonk3y actually did some assembly language last week and was proud i remembered it :)21:03
* MohammadAG loves it when this channel goes off topic21:04
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: there is a topic? shit!21:04
MohammadAGdoesn't happen a lot in #ubuntu :P21:04
* SpeedEvil has been on-an-off coding a bitsliced GPS correlator.21:04
SpeedEvilBitslicing is fun.21:04
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, I'm not complaining21:04
Noobmonk3yyayyyyyyyyyyyy installinginging!21:04
* MohammadAG also loves how some people haven't left the community21:04
MohammadAGmomentum back in december was better21:05
* Noobmonk3y is still here, most of the time! :P21:05
Noobmonk3yi'm still gonna try a healthcheck version that works on the n8, n900 etc21:05
MohammadAGI remember when I used to see lots of [Announce] threads21:05
Noobmonk3yjust need other phones to test it on :P21:05
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, impossible imo21:05
Noobmonk3ylol MohammadAG nothing is impossible, except world peace :P21:05
MohammadAGSymbian doesn't use /sys21:05
MohammadAGor /proc21:06
MohammadAGworld peace is possible, just nuke all 7 continents21:06
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Noobmonk3ythe penguins will revolt!21:06
kerioATLANTIS PREVAILS!21:06
lcukMohammadAG, [announce] threads come and advance as they do and people hack and work on stuff in fits and spurts21:06
Noobmonk3ypenguins with frikkin lasers v atlantians... cool!21:06
kerioi still haven't tried pypy btw :<21:06
Noobmonk3ylcuk: more fits than spurts21:06
lcukNoobmonk3y, :)21:06
lcukits like buses21:07
Noobmonk3yhehe, RevdKathy - keeping v quiet :P21:07
MohammadAGlcuk, true, I just enjoyed it more when others were there to help21:07
Jartza\o/21:07
lcukyou wait a couple of weeks for an announce thread and you get 3 together at once :P21:07
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Noobmonk3ylcuk: better then taxi's - 30 come every 2 minutes and 29 try to rip you off :p21:07
MohammadAGqwerty12 was a huge loss tbh :(21:07
RevdKathyDidn't think anyone had noticed I was here!21:07
Noobmonk3yhmmm, i agree MohammadAG ,21:07
Noobmonk3yRevdKathy: how could we not notice? :)21:07
* lcuk noticed21:07
MohammadAGheya RevdKathy21:07
JartzaI'm going to become nokia certified trainer \o/21:07
lcuki even spoke to you21:08
* MohammadAG too21:08
Noobmonk3ylcuk actually said hi to you earlier ;)21:08
MohammadAGlol21:08
* Noobmonk3y needs a new job21:08
Noobmonk3yanyone got any jobs going?21:08
lcukJartza, :D nice21:08
RevdKathyYou did? Not in red - I'd have noticed!21:08
Noobmonk3yRevdKathy: lol...21:08
DocScrutinizerRevdKathy: o/21:08
* MohammadAG pries off Noobmonk3y's X button21:08
RevdKathyLOL brains slowly atrophying, I think21:08
MohammadAGjust in case the missus is talking to you while you're IRCing21:08
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RevdKathyEvening one and all properly, then.21:08
Noobmonk3yhahaha21:08
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: she's back in 30 mins21:08
Jartzait doesn't change that much, except I can finally use something as a reference21:09
Jartza:D21:09
* MohammadAG puts Noobmonk3y's X button back where it belongs21:09
lcukRevdKathy, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-17.log.html#t2010-10-17T19:45:2121:09
Jartzaall the other commitments or tasks are under NDA, so  can't tell :D21:09
MohammadAGnext to the M button21:09
lcukJartza, whizbang21:09
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Jartzacustomers give me the funny eye always when I tell them that I'm competent but can't really show it because of NDA :)21:11
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lcukJartza, you are telling them wrong21:11
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lcuk"I can offer oyu a brief overview of my work, but unfortunately I must remove your eyeballs after"21:11
RevdKathyAh you may have spoken to me when my n900 accidentally signed me in and I hadn't noticed?21:11
lcukidk21:11
Jartzalcuk: :)21:11
lcukJartza, you could offer other alternatives for people who wish to remove specific pieces of bodywork21:12
lcukluke was talking about the extra weight his front brakes on his bmx added, so he removed them21:12
Jartzahmm. there's an idea21:12
lcukfollowing this through to its natural conclusion, he will be doing stunts on a unicycle soon21:13
JartzaI can tell you. it only costs a tongue.21:13
lcuktongues are important21:13
Jartzaso are brakes? :)21:14
RST38hwheels are unimportant21:14
* RevdKathy remembers reading"The Little Mermaid" as a child and being terrified21:14
RST38hthey are in you head21:14
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lcukhe launches himself over big ramps and quarterpipes, I think the brakes just give him a way to bail out!21:14
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f0rkb0mbanyone else got airodump-ng on the n900 running, and has the problem that channel hopping doesnt work ? it always sticks to channel 121:15
MohammadAGyou can't get it to work on the stock kernel21:17
f0rkb0mbwell it works for channel 121:18
MohammadAGmonitor mode needs kernel-power21:19
_trineDocScrutinizer, would you happen to know why when I run petrovich from cli it gives this error ?21:19
MohammadAGinjection needs neopwn's kernels21:19
_trinehttp://dpaste.com/259293/21:19
f0rkb0mbi dont want injection, i just want the promisc mode21:19
f0rkb0mbfor all channels not just for ch121:20
Myrtti pppplllläääääääähhh.21:20
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DocScrutinizer_trine: no idea. But aiui petrovich is obsolete as HFM has obex sharing over BT now21:28
tobis87f0rkb0mb: The monitor patch applied to the wireless module, compiled for the stock kernel; http://www.mediafire.com/?ydy49ndggnty84621:29
f0rkb0mbthank, will have a look21:30
_trineDocScrutinizer, can you be more explicit because I dont know what HFM is but I could guess Hildon file something21:30
DocScrutinizerhildon file manager21:31
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DocScrutinizeraka File Manager21:31
_trinewhere is that on the n90021:31
_trineah21:31
_trineyou answered21:31
* MohammadAG prefers filebox21:32
_trineI have seen HFM but to be honest it looks very messy21:32
MohammadAGhildon-fm lags a lot21:32
_trineI have filebox and that is much better21:32
_trinebut petrovich was nice in its simplicity21:33
tobis87f0rkb0mb: Backup the wl12xx.ko kernel module, copy the new, run depmod -ae and reboot it. Conky should then display the connection rate correctly.21:33
tobis87and monitor should worl21:33
slonopotamusn910?21:34
_trinehas neopwn not gone public yet21:34
f0rkb0mbkk21:34
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_trineMohammadAG, do you know if neopwn has gone public like they promised ?21:35
tobis87I would be interested, what changes have been made for the neopwn kernel.21:35
_trinetobis87, it was just the wifi drivers as far as I know that were needed21:37
tobis87Because loading the hacked neopwn modules (vermagic modified and __versions striped) into the stock kernel forces a reboot.21:37
_trinealthough there was a modified kernel21:37
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_trinebut the modified kernel was not part of neopwn21:38
MohammadAG_trine, no, he didn't21:38
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MohammadAGthe modified kernel is all that's needed21:38
_trineMohammadAG, I dont understand how he can get away with that21:38
MohammadAG_trine, ping swc|666 when he's here21:39
_trinewill the injection work without the new drivers21:39
MohammadAG~seen swc|66621:39
infobotswc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 16d 9h 41m 35s ago, saying: 'chmod -x $(which banshee)  .. j/k'.21:39
_trineMohammadAG, where does he fit into this ?21:39
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_trineI'm absolutly surprised there has not been a torrent for it21:40
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* MohammadAG strips infobot's reply21:40
MohammadAGswc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821>21:41
MohammadAGswc|666 <~neopwn21:41
* Noobmonk3y blinks21:41
_trinewell he should be asked why its not public AS PROMISED21:41
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D-IivilIs it possible to build Qt apps on the device (n900)?21:42
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D-IivilI'm away from pc, but have the sources and would like to compile it and try it out.21:42
D-IivilInstalling libqt4-dev and then running qmake project.pro gives error:21:43
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pupnik"I think shyness is a myth, ppl dont drink to be less shy around girls,  they drink because sober they know better than to get involved with  them." -kermit21:44
MohammadAGD-Iivil, no gcc21:44
D-Iivil/usr/bin/qmake: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected21:44
tobis87I could use the drivers with injection, but only if I also flash a kernel which was modified and I don't know what was changed. I also don't have the kernel headers for this kernel. Therefore I stay with the monitor "only" patched driver and wait until it has been reverse engineered, if ever.21:44
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_trineperhaps in the interests of justice it should be pirated21:45
D-IivilMohammadAG, no gcc? Like no go?21:45
MohammadAGgcc = compiler21:45
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MohammadAGlibqt4-dev = headers21:45
MohammadAGyou need both21:45
johnsqHi21:45
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MohammadAGlcuk, got gcc on his N900, but it takes a huge space in /21:46
D-Iivilok. Thanks for clearing that out :)21:47
D-IivilSo there's no relatively easy way to compile qt apps on device?21:47
* D-Iivil is sick of remote desktopping to pc over gsm...21:48
lcukyes MohammadAG21:48
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lcukbuild-essential should be run through and optified, but the sdk components are not geared for on device so theres no official reason to request the change21:48
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lcukit would be nice too though :)21:49
MohammadAGD-Iivil, other than a chroot, no21:50
D-IivilHow about installing the whole scratchbox to device?21:50
MohammadAGlcuk, agreed21:50
MohammadAGchroot21:50
D-IivilI mean if it's possible to run easy debian...21:50
MohammadAGscratchbox is a cross compiler, when compiling on the N900 you're natively compiling it21:51
D-IivilMohammadAG, give me something to google for please :)21:51
MohammadAGqole got an image21:51
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D-IivilMohammadAG, chroot gives way too many hits :P21:51
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MohammadAGD-Iivil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=786521&postcount=321:52
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D-IivilMohammadAG, thx!21:53
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MohammadAG* D-Iivil has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)22:01
MohammadAGhe probably started extracting the image lol22:01
* MohammadAG watches as dd rapes his N90022:01
MohammadAGit's not responding to anything22:01
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pupnikMohammadAG: yeah that's not the friendliest command to use22:02
MohammadAGpupnik, I know, I was just too lazy to enable mass storage22:02
pupniktry various block-sizes22:02
pupniki never got around to benchmarking that22:02
MohammadAGdd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2 count=209715222:02
pupniki also suspect maybe there's a lower level prefetch22:02
pupnikbs=....22:03
MohammadAGI wonder what the load is22:03
pupnikbut i think the system slowdown comes from something at kernel level22:03
MohammadAGnot responding to ssh22:03
pupnikright22:03
MohammadAGLoad average: 14.20 10.61 5.22:03
pupnikmaybe someone smart knows more22:04
ShadowJKIt's IO contention22:05
ShadowJKthe mmc doesn't multitask22:05
ShadowJKAnd the kernel is trying to make it do that22:06
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MohammadAGShadowJK, so it's a kernel bug22:06
pupnikty ShadowJK22:08
MohammadAGsomething that can probably be fixed22:09
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ShadowJKIt's more of a missing feature thing22:12
ShadowJKBut a workaround is to set swappiness to 1 before doing any heavy IO22:13
MohammadAGtoo late I guess22:14
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pupnikaha!22:18
dreamerhey, anyone here can open the player on thedailyshow.com?22:20
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summelwhats with the recent strange entries on planet maemo?22:29
* MohammadAG pings Jaffa 22:31
summelwho is roger sperberg?22:31
D-IivilMohammadAG, I got the chrooted sdk running fine and installing Nokia binaries atm. Just one question; how can I copy my stuff located under MyDocs to chrooted sdk for compiling?22:32
MohammadAGmount it and use cp :P22:33
D-IivilMohammadAG, mount which and from where? :) I know I have to mount, but what and how?22:33
MohammadAGwhere did you mount it to install nokia-binaries22:34
D-Iivil"/sdk22:34
D-Iivilqchroot image /sdk22:34
D-IivilIf that's what you asked...22:35
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: QT Designer error on run? - hmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory22:40
Noobmonk3ymeh22:40
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lcukNoobmonk3y, so I guess that means you need to refine the tests :P22:41
Noobmonk3ylol trying to run something on my device, i think:P22:44
Noobmonk3yit can communicate with the n900 - but assuming not copying the files22:44
MohammadAGinstall madde on your device22:47
Noobmonk3yhave done22:47
Noobmonk3ybut using root to install, when i try the developer user + generated password it doesnt connect22:47
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alteregoI'm guessing your program is called Healthcheck?22:48
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RevdKathySaying Goodnight folks.22:50
RevdKathyLcuk - I'll email in the morning22:51
RevdKathyNight all!22:51
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Noobmonk3yhehe yeah alterego22:52
Noobmonk3yjust gonna try and redesign it22:52
Noobmonk3yusing qt designer22:52
alteregoHave you checked it's there?22:52
Noobmonk3ythe current one is pyqt22:53
alteregoUnder /usr/local/bin ?22:53
Noobmonk3ywell, nope it isnt :p22:53
Noobmonk3yi assumed it would copy it22:53
alteregoOkay, so it's not on run, it's on deploy.22:53
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alteregoDeploy is done with dpkg at the moment.22:53
Noobmonk3ysorry my first time using qt designer22:53
Noobmonk3yoh, so cant do it in qt deisgner?22:53
Noobmonk3ydesigner?22:53
alteregoI think the problem is the fact you can't get it to work with the developer user account22:53
Noobmonk3ywill try again22:54
alteregoBecause sudo dpkg as root doesn't work, I'm guessing.22:54
alteregoWhat you wanna do is get it to work using mad-developer on the device and integrated with Qt Creator, then deploy an SSH key and you shouldn't have the authentication problem again.22:55
Noobmonk3yahhhhhh it makes sense in a foreign kinda way lol!22:56
alterego:)22:56
Noobmonk3yso i need to figure out how to get the ssh key bit across first i assume?22:56
alteregoWell, Qt Creator has a deploy ssh key feature22:56
alteregoBut you need to get it to work with a password first.22:57
alteregoYou can however do it manually yourself.22:57
MohammadAGdon't use Qt Designer alone22:57
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MohammadAGuse it inside Qt Creator22:57
Noobmonk3yi'm in qtcreator22:57
alteregoMohammadAG: I don't think he is, I think he's just confused.22:57
Noobmonk3yyup22:58
* Noobmonk3y = confused22:58
alterego:)22:58
alteregoWould you like me to walk you through setting up an N900 with Qt Creator?22:58
Noobmonk3yawww you are great if you have a spare few mins that would be cool! :)22:58
Noobmonk3ygot mad developer running on the n900 - so done the basics i think22:59
alteregoOkay, start Qt Creator then22:59
Noobmonk3ydone!22:59
alteregoAre you running on Windows btw?22:59
Noobmonk3ywin 722:59
alteregoOh, hrm ..22:59
Noobmonk3yhehe22:59
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alteregoThis should all still work the same, I would have thought, but I've not used Win 7 + maemo23:00
alteregoDo you have putty?23:00
Noobmonk3ycool! - well this may be a first23:00
Noobmonk3ynope but i can do, i have winscp23:00
alteregoWell, that'll do actually ;)23:00
Noobmonk3y(and it connects!) lol23:01
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alteregoI want you to try connecting to the N900 via usb networking using the developer user account and the password it says in mad-developer23:02
alteregoOr are you using wifi or something?23:03
Noobmonk3yoh, usb? pooooooo!23:03
Noobmonk3yusing wifi :P23:03
Noobmonk3yit connects fine though :)23:03
alteregoOkay, using wifi then :)23:03
Noobmonk3ywill try the madde one though23:03
Noobmonk3y2 secs23:03
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Noobmonk3yyup connects fine23:04
alteregoOkay, in Qt Creator, go Tools->Options->Projects->Maemo Device Configurations23:05
Noobmonk3ydone23:05
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Noobmonk3ygot one pre-setup (as much as i can)23:05
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alteregoSo you've entered the correct IP address?23:05
Noobmonk3yyup23:05
alteregoAnd username and password?23:05
Noobmonk3yjust double checked23:05
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alteregoOkay, click Test then23:06
Noobmonk3yyup23:06
Noobmonk3yooooooooo23:06
alteregoWhat does it say?23:06
Noobmonk3yworking now!23:06
Noobmonk3yhow random!23:06
Noobmonk3ytest works23:06
alteregoOkay, well close mad-developer23:06
Noobmonk3ydone23:07
alteregoYou shouldn't need to run that any more23:07
Noobmonk3ycool!23:07
alteregoAnd everything else should be working fine now23:07
alteregoAs you're using windows,  don't bother setting up a key because I don't know how that works under windows.23:07
Noobmonk3yhmmmm - when you close madde developer though it looses the password23:07
alteregoAh23:07
Noobmonk3yso i have to use a key?23:08
alteregoOkay, close mad-developer23:08
Noobmonk3ydone23:08
alteregoand as root on the N900 type: passwd developer23:08
Noobmonk3yoo clever!23:08
alteregoAnd enter in that password again.23:08
Noobmonk3yCool thats done23:09
Noobmonk3yalthough..........23:09
alteregoAnyhow, provided you dont run mad-developer again that should all stay persistant.23:09
Noobmonk3yi'm assuming 'run' doesnt just work, as it keeps saying cant connect23:09
Noobmonk3yyet test works fine23:09
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alteregoHrm ..23:09
Noobmonk3yoooo23:10
Noobmonk3ymaybe not23:10
alterego;)23:10
Noobmonk3y(Reading database ... Finished running remote process.23:10
Noobmonk3ybut nothing on the deviec :P23:10
Noobmonk3ydevice*23:10
alteregoGive it a bit23:10
Noobmonk3ylol23:10
alteregoCan take some time, that's it using dpkg23:11
Noobmonk3yokey dokey!23:11
alteregoWell, shouldn't take this long.23:11
Noobmonk3yprocessor doesnt look to be doing much, will try again23:11
alteregoTry killing that and doing it agagin23:11
Noobmonk3ychmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory23:11
Noobmonk3y:p23:11
alteregoInteresting23:11
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Noobmonk3ysorry missed that b4, but thats the error23:12
MohammadAGfail xD23:12
Noobmonk3ybut just checked test, working fine23:12
MohammadAGwhat did it install then23:12
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: .... yup :(23:12
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG:  boobies23:12
MohammadAGnice23:12
alteregoYeah would like to see that deb23:12
Noobmonk3y:P23:12
MohammadAGboobies_0.0.1.deb23:12
alteregoWhat does this app actually do? Is it just a "hello, world" type thing right now?23:13
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Noobmonk3yalterego: pretty much, just the windows with no major code23:13
Noobmonk3y8008135.deb you mean?23:14
MohammadAGI think that's how it names shit23:14
Noobmonk3ylol23:14
alteregoWell, I've got to run now, if you catch me or Venemo tomorrow one of us can help you23:15
alteregoI'd recommend having a look at the contents of the generated .deb file.23:15
Noobmonk3ydarn it23:15
alteregoIt'll be in your project-build directory and on the device in /home/developer23:15
Noobmonk3ysounds geeky23:15
evil|Jonneumm, wtf happened to planet maemo?23:15
Noobmonk3ythank you alterego  :)23:15
Noobmonk3yvery appreciated :)23:15
* MohammadAG pings GeneralAntilles / GAN900 and Jaffa 23:15
alteregoevil|Jonne: working fine for me.23:15
* Noobmonk3y pongs MohammadAG 23:15
evil|Jonneseems like some blog got added that doesn't really add any useful content23:16
MohammadAGalterego, i think it's getting spammed23:16
alteregoOh, I see23:16
MohammadAGcan someone take a macro pic of the N900's top with the battery removed?23:17
MohammadAGplease?23:17
Noobmonk3yalterego: i know the problem!23:17
evil|Jonneif n900guide.com doesn't get removed i'll just unsubscribe23:17
Noobmonk3ydpkg - warning: downgrading healthcheck from 1.2.1-3 to 0.0.1.23:17
alteregoNoobmonk3y: ?23:17
alteregoOh, hahah23:17
Noobmonk3ymy app is the current version!23:17
alteregoThat might be it.23:17
Noobmonk3ylol23:17
Noobmonk3ymaybe change the name? lol! or uninstall hc?23:17
alteregobbl23:17
Noobmonk3ycheers23:18
alteregoYeah, change the name until you've got something you want.23:18
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, should downgrade23:18
Noobmonk3yshould bu tdoesnt23:18
MohammadAGit downgraded here23:18
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOHAUvbuV4o23:19
Noobmonk3yits genius when adverts are better than tv!23:19
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MohammadAGARGH23:22
MohammadAGflash player crashed23:22
Noobmonk3ylol!23:22
* MohammadAG loads again23:22
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MohammadAGlol Noobmonk3y23:23
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Noobmonk3y:) :)23:23
* Noobmonk3y likes23:23
MohammadAGno offense, but the gal's english accent doesn't fit in rap :P23:24
Noobmonk3ynot at all -  but neitehr do the others!23:24
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MohammadAGLOL @ owl23:24
MohammadAGenglish accents in rap don't sound proper :P23:25
MohammadAGthe rest are cool23:25
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MohammadAGbut the ad is epic xD23:25
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: west country doesnt sound right normally lol23:25
Noobmonk3yi think the idea is to not sound cool + but be cool randomly!23:26
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, check PM :P23:26
Noobmonk3yStarting remote application.23:26
Noobmonk3ySelecting previously deselected package healthcheck.23:26
Noobmonk3y(Reading database ... Finished running remote process.23:26
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JaffaMohammadAG: pong23:51
MohammadAGJaffa, a lot of people have been complaining about Planet Maemo23:52
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kpomanhi all !23:52
JaffaMohammadAG: "A lot"?23:52
kpomananyone any ideas about usb host mode on the Nokia N900 ?23:52
JaffaMohammadAG: Presumably because of old posts showing up in RogerS' feed?23:53
timeless_mbpanyone here have experience using the n900's IR port?23:53
timeless_mbpi have a remote - DVR combo which isn't working23:53
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timeless_mbpi'm wondering if it's possible to try to send commands to my DVR w/ an n90023:53
MohammadAGJaffa, yes23:53
kpomananyone ?23:54
Myrtticheesecake?23:54
JaffaMohammadAG: Seems to have stopped. Send him a polite email and vote them down. Latter's already been done, I see.23:54
kpomanMyrtti: to me ?23:55
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Myrttito everyone, I'm feeling somewhat indifferent right now23:55
MohammadAGJaffa, I'm not subscribed to planet maemo, I just pinged you cause two users complained here23:55
f0rkb0mbtimeless_mbp try irreco23:55
JaffaMohammadAG: OK, ta.23:56
kpomanok nm23:56
kpomanI do see this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host23:56
kpomananyone any ideas ?23:56
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kpomanor experience ?23:56
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Myrttithat just threw me off to Old Spice -mode23:56
JaffaMohammadAG: TBH, I'm not bothered; it's not like the feed is overflowing with stuff - and a lot of people would say it's the raw feed and you're "supposed" to subscribe to /news/ instead.23:56
Myrtti"see this, this is diamonds on my hand, see again, now they've turned into that phone you love"23:57
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JaffaMohammadAG: But thanks for the headsup23:57
* Jaffa is not well inclined towards people complaining due to someone arguing about a sponsorship decision for the conference, saying "my karma's not being calculated properly due to a known bug" and then points at something been RESOLVED FIXED for months.23:58
JaffaSo I'm going to bed :-)23:58

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