IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-10-16

lcukVenemo, I got back earlier but I haven't unpacked anything - first time in a long time I am typing direct on the irc machine keyboard00:00
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Venemomhm00:00
Venemoirc machine?00:00
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you got all those on Ur list now? :-D00:12
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* DocScrutinizer hands GAN900 a beer00:14
DocScrutinizerGAN900: that's ne of my own, not paid by Nokia :-D00:15
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DocScrutinizerwasabi peas?00:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, sure00:16
GAN900DocScrutinizer, you know what's sad?00:16
MohammadAGI'm just thinking of alternative ways00:16
MohammadAGinstead of pastebin00:16
GAN900I can't drink beer anymore because of the gluten.00:16
MohammadAGlikde00:16
MohammadAGlike*00:16
MohammadAGecho short stuff into this file00:16
MohammadAGecho processes into that00:16
MohammadAGetc, then tar it all up00:16
* GAN900 feels like it's naptime.00:16
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: maybe a nice drink then?00:22
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: adding syslog / dmesg as a separate file to a tarball, instead of spamming all into a single file, sure a better way00:24
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, usually wine.00:25
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dnearyhi all00:33
dnearyAnyone know what X-Maemo-Prestarted-Ignore-Load does exactly?00:33
dnearyor X-Maemo-Switcher-Icon?00:33
* DocScrutinizer51 silently takes away the wasabi peas (ingredients: ... wsheat flour ...) and fetches a bottle red wine and some bacon and cheese00:34
dnearyHow about X-Maemo-Wm-Class?00:34
kerioBACON!!!!!!!!!!!!00:34
keriolcuk: bacon!00:34
dnearykerio, I don't think so...00:34
* lcuk ate lots of bacon this week00:35
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DocScrutinizer51dneary: what says google?00:35
dnearyDocScrutinizer51, Points at questions00:35
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dnearyAnd gitorious :)00:36
DocScrutinizer51meh00:36
dnearyAnd the wiki page which lists it as a key, with no explanation of what it does00:36
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dnearyhttp://is.gd/g3J8k <- Top 2 links are the wiki page and my question earlier asking what the various extensions do00:37
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dnearyAh...00:38
dnearyFound the commit message that added that as a supported key00:38
lcukdneary, can you access the nb#?00:38
dneary"Added X-Maemo-Wm-Class."00:38
dnearynb#?00:38
dnearyAh - Nokia Bug00:39
GAN900A BLT sounds really good right about now.00:39
dnearyNo, I am locked outside the Great Icewall of Finland00:39
lcuk2009-10-29 Marc Ordinas i Llopis <marc.ordinasillopis@collabora.co.uk>00:39
lcukAdd X-Maemo-Prestarted-Ignore-Load flag to desktop files. If true,00:39
lcukprestart the app as soon as possible without regards to load or memory00:39
lcuklimits.00:39
lcukFixes: NB#14533100:39
lcukthe commit message answers the question anyway00:40
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keriodo we really need something like that?00:41
dnearyYup - that'll do00:41
kerioshouldn't that be handled by... i dunno, a script in /etc/init.d/?00:41
DocScrutinizer51isn't it great Nokia keeps this inside his poison locker?00:41
dnearykerio, The thing is there's an OS safeguard that if you're short of memory, it will just not start a service or application00:41
DocScrutinizer51s/his/their00:42
keriodneary: and for a good reason00:42
lcukDocScrutinizer51, its not important, the rules around the optional flag are documented00:42
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lcukie mentioned in the commit :P00:42
dnearykerio, So let's say a bug in the start-up means that you're short of memory when you get to starting DBus00:43
keriodneary, So let's say a bug in linux means that processes are killed randomly every π seconds00:43
dnearyDocScrutinizer51, Not a major issue... and part of the (now) publicly documented desktop format00:43
dnearykerio, OK, let's say00:44
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dnearyCan we assume mine too?00:44
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: *******  *** ****** *** address of comitter *** **a***** ** *** **** for that, just in case   <- my comment on commit comments for sole documentation00:44
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lcukDocScrutinizer51, i wholeheartedly agree, but I would just put it rather differently.  and you made a typo in your swearing00:46
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dnearylcuk, How does it look now?00:50
dnearyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format#Maemo_extension_keys00:50
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lcukdneary, !! :D nice00:54
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lolcat93Hello00:54
lolcat93Can I stream spotify to my maemo device?00:55
FauxFauxSometimes.00:55
lolcat93Or should I install spotify on it?00:55
FauxFauxDepending on what mood Yaspot is in.00:55
lolcat93Desotufy00:55
lolcat93Despotify00:55
lolcat93and controll with ssh00:55
FauxFauxYaspot backs on to despotify and normally works.00:55
lolcat93oh, dammit, my speakers are usb...00:55
* DocScrutinizer51 sighs, and moves his lazy arse over to laptop, to immediately bookmark this wiki page00:56
lolcat93I want romantic music to my gf while beeing lazy, preferably controlled by sms00:56
DocScrutinizer51a toast on dneary00:56
Stskeepslolcat93: grooveshark client exists too00:57
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lolcat93Stskeeps: I have no idea what groveshark is00:59
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nox-grooveshark client?  for maemo?01:03
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nox-lolcat93, its a `request song' music player website01:03
nox-grooveshark.com01:04
nox-only problem is it uses flash...01:04
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lolcat93Doesn01:06
lolcat93t maemo have flash?01:06
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javispedrodneary,01:13
javispedroow oops. gone already.01:13
javispedrowas going to tell him that X-Maemo-Wm-Class  might be the never-actually-used "proper name for" StartupWMClass01:14
javispedrothe later one being documented and used in the wild.01:14
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javispedrowell have to go cya01:17
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nox-lolcat93, i guess it needs flash10, and also flash tends to be resource hog01:18
nox-(says `upgrade flash' or something like that)01:19
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dolpanyone can help me to figure out why does this simple widget keep disappearing from the desktop after like 10mins or so? http://pastebin.com/8xWUUq6401:29
DocScrutinizer51great >:-( grooveshark.com just never finished to load, bumped cpu to 100, froze mircrob, and swap/mem usage goes thru the roof - even better: it stays at that even after closing microb01:29
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* DocScrutinizer51 *HATES* flash01:29
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kerioflash player is a fucking disaster01:30
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DocScrutinizer51killall browserd recovered some of the swap/mem01:31
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keriomake a swapfile, swapon it, swapoff the other and viceversa01:32
DocScrutinizer51kerio: eh?01:32
keriocycle the swap01:33
DocScrutinizer51how's this gonna help against memleaking flash plugin?01:33
kerioi thought you already sigkilled it01:33
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* andax hates flash even more than DocScrutinizer02:11
andaxxD02:11
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andaxbtw: is there something like DynamicHTML available in the public domain? I heard javascript belongs to oracle... o_O02:13
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andax...silence...02:54
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jpinx-eeepcandax: shhhh02:55
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mcunixesiste un visualizzatore di desktop remoti per N900?03:35
jacekowskienglish03:36
nox-yeah03:37
nox-if you are asking about rdp, im not sure but there only may be a vnc client03:37
jacekowskithere is rdp client03:38
nox-oh03:38
jacekowskibut i don't get that visualizzatore part03:38
nox-display?03:38
nox-how's the rdp client called?03:38
jacekowskirdesktop03:39
nox-oh haha03:39
* nox- stupid...03:39
jacekowskiaccording to google03:39
jacekowskithere is a remote desktop viewer for N90003:39
jacekowskithat's how that translates03:39
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nox-apt-cache search rdesktop finds nothing, maybe its in another repo?03:40
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jacekowskidunno03:44
jacekowskii have it on my phone03:44
jacekowskihttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/rdesktop/03:44
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mcunixthere is a re04:05
mcunixthere is a remote desktop viewer for nokia N900?04:07
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psycho_oreosdid you read what was written above what you just asked?04:13
mcunix??04:14
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larsweymcunix, 02:44:39 < jacekowski> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/rdesktop/04:15
nox-thx jacekowski04:15
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mcunixgrazie04:17
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mcunixbut that is only for windows?for linux?04:22
psycho_oreosits for linux as a client04:22
johnxmcunix, what are you trying to accomplish?04:23
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mcunixi search a desktop viewer for my n900 to see my pc linux04:24
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johnxso you want a vnc viewer? or do you want to use X11 directly?04:25
mcunixx1104:26
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johnxyou can just use ssh  to to forward X11 apps back to your N90004:27
mcunixok tanks goodnight...:-)04:28
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: yea- into the n900, but getting X over ssh to work the other way around is a pain04:37
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, irreco is quite nice, but I generally kinda hate IR remotes and prefer RF based ones04:58
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DocScrutinizer51I wonder if I should place one N900 directly in front of TV, and edit device controller for my LG jr..... irreco on second N900 from 'localhost:8765' to 'N900-1:8765'05:00
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TermanaN900good morning05:00
DocScrutinizer51moo05:00
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andrewfblackMorning05:11
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DocScrutinizerraster: moinmoin05:34
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rasterDocScrutinizer:  docman!!!!05:35
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DocScrutinizerheyho anybody awake and eager to dive into (kernel) code?06:22
DocScrutinizerirreco uses lirc uses /lib/modules/2.6.28-hostmode1/lirc_rx51.ko06:23
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DocScrutinizer<quote origin=file:///usr/share/doc/packages/lirc/html/help.html#new_remote> If you want to use a config file to send IR commands you should try to vary the modulation frequency of the signals.06:24
DocScrutinizer Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly.06:24
DocScrutinizerYou can set the modulation frequency for a remote control by adding the line06:25
DocScrutinizer        frequency <freq>06:25
DocScrutinizerto the according section of the config file06:25
DocScrutinizer</quote>06:25
DocScrutinizeron fremantle with lirc and irreco I find ~3..6 config files named or similar in structure to /etc/lircd.conf06:26
DocScrutinizerand it's completely inclear if the lirc_rx51.ko takes a freq parameter at all and from which file06:27
DocScrutinizerso if anybody is complaining about poor range of CIR of N900 (using [qt]irreco) then maybe you want to look into that, and find the proper frequency for your appliance06:29
DocScrutinizeras you know now: >>Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly.<<06:29
SpeedEvilBy as much as 10* or more06:31
DocScrutinizerbtw there's a bug in irreco spamming /etc/lirc.conf with identical lines >>include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/50PG6000"<<06:31
DocScrutinizerthis is both nonsense for the multiple identical lines, and also for the nonexisting pathname06:31
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DocScrutinizerI guess one such line is added for every remote you download in irreco06:34
* DocScrutinizer wants his atimes back :-/06:35
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DocScrutinizer>>Usually values from 34000 to 44000 are good choices.<<06:40
DocScrutinizer(for <freq>)06:40
DocScrutinizerthough I also know of 48000 and even >50000 remotes06:41
DocScrutinizerif you find out which is the right file to add that 'frequency 44000' line, it'd be kind to let me know06:42
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DocScrutinizercandidates:  /etc/lircd.conf;  /etc/lirc/lircd.conf; /etc/lirc/hardware.conf; /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf; /home/user/.irreco/*.conf??; /etc/modprobe.d/* line "options lirc_rx51.ko ???=???" (though a modinfo doesn't suggest it takes any parameters)06:48
DocScrutinizerooh, of course /etc/init.d/lirc06:51
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DocScrutinizerhmm /init.d/lirc seems to suggest the relevant file is /etc/lirc/lircd.conf, I just wonder what /etc/lircd.conf does and who created it06:56
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vdvdoes anybody know some pdf reader which can reflow text (word wrap)?07:00
vdvfor maemo :)07:00
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DocScrutinizermeh, /etc/lircd.conf and /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf both have same mtime, of today - while /etc/lirc/lircd.conf has mtime of 23.Apr200907:01
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DocScrutinizerwhile for the logic in it, the 'frequency 35555' line belongs into file /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*(50PG6000 for my LG TV)07:05
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DocScrutinizerok, to save you a lot of trying: a line 'frequency 38000' somewhere in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/* (actual filename to be found in /etc/lircd.conf) will work. I added that line directly after the 'name xyfoobar50PG6000" line next to start of file07:43
DocScrutinizerirreco executes /etc/init.d/lirc, so you don't need to bother about that07:43
DocScrutinizerI get twice the range on LG with 39000 (~3.5), than with 58000 (~1.5m)07:45
DocScrutinizerwith 34000 range is shorter than with 3900007:45
DocScrutinizerbut differences from 36000 to 40000 seems very small07:46
DocScrutinizerYMMV07:46
DocScrutinizerahh, and irreco writes an additional line to /etc/lircd.conf on every program start, so maybe you occasionally want to clean that file before your rootfs is crammed07:48
SpeedEvilFrom vague recollections of IR reciever modules, some have way tighter filters than others.07:48
DocScrutinizeryep, that's why YMMV07:48
DocScrutinizeranyway it proves N900 is weak compared to a 'normal' customer IR remote07:49
DocScrutinizerI get a range of ~5..6m easily with the TV genuine remote07:49
DocScrutinizerof course the IR wavelength also might be wrong for some classical IR remotes. If only we knew about the exact type of IR-LED used there07:52
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RST38hHmm...new laptop twice faster than the old laptop at USB transfers to N90009:29
RST38hSame USB standard. Go figure...09:30
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jpinx-ee1pcis the wiki down¿?09:35
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TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, ping09:48
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loft306yay my buddy in Tuckey just finnaly got an N90010:12
loft306i geuss they dont sell them there10:12
loft306i told thim to take his wife on vacation to europe  just dont tell her your goingthere to buy a shone and your secondary for the trip10:14
loft306*phone10:14
ieatlintthat's an awesome story10:18
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loft306*Turkey10:24
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loft306ieatlint he has wanted one since i told him about it he was looking at an android at the time10:25
loft306only wanted to know if it had an ssh app10:25
loft306like its nix ofcourse10:26
loft306<loft306> power where you get the phone?10:26
loft306<power> well,from a guy who lives in russia10:26
loft306<power> the keyboard have both qwerty layout and russian printed on keys10:26
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Goliath23hi10:41
Goliath23whats a good way to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp?10:42
Goliath23s/way/place/10:42
infobotGoliath23 meant: whats a good place to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp?10:42
Goliath23yep :)10:42
Goliath23lol10:42
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RST38hwazzzzd11:53
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dreamerhey all, just got my n900 yesterday and playing with it like mad :D11:58
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brik:)11:58
alteregoWelcome to club Maemo11:59
dreamerso, I'm trying the advanced-power-monitor ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 ), but after reboot I don't have any battery-monitor on my desktop anymore11:59
dreameralterego: looking forward to meego too ;)11:59
alterego:)11:59
alteregoYeah, it's coming along nicely, will be a while before we have something good enough to replace Maemo though12:00
mavhcmy n810 is really confused about charging, most of the time, when power is unplugged, it still says it's charging, it doesn't charge fully overnight, it turns off without warning, and the touchscreen often needs recalibrating. So, battery replacement needed, software problem, or hardware?12:01
pupnik_sounds broken12:02
dreamerso, anyone an idea where my battery monitor went? or should I reboot again to see if it comes up? (that is really a windows solution though :P)12:03
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MohammadAG51N900 got dented :/12:05
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alteregoBattle scars every N900 should have 'em :D12:05
pupnik_wow12:05
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dreamerhmm, nope, still no battery monitor :/12:12
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psycho_oreosany of you guys noticed a strange behaviour that some music players/games won't play audio through to bluetooth headsets when N900 is already paired with one? I've only just noticed today that all of the sudden audio is actually playing through my headsets using instinctiv. I'm looking through the kernel logs as I believe there has been some issues that may have led up to muted audio to bluetooth headset12:47
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JaffaMorning, all13:17
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RST38hMeanwhile: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Record+numbers+of+Finns+resign+from+church+after+gay+rights+panel+discussion+on+TV+/113526089687213:21
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loft306 heh13:25
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dreamerhmm, I'm trying to change the default shell to bash wth chsh, but I get a '/bin/bash is an invalid shell.'13:32
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psycho_oreosare you sure you have installed bash3?13:37
SpeedEvildreamer: the normal scrips do not work with badsh, and you end up witha device ahte bootloops if you do that.13:38
SpeedEvilscripts13:38
SpeedEvilbash13:38
SpeedEvilthat13:38
* SpeedEvil sighs.13:39
psycho_oreosisn't it bash-setup that is borked? I dunno I just manually edit /etc/passwd lol13:39
SpeedEvildunno13:39
SpeedEvilI just remember that maybe half a dozen people have bootlooped their device trying13:39
psycho_oreosI've tried numerous times to set the logged in user (which is obviously user) as bash but it never works13:39
psycho_oreosahh yes13:40
SpeedEvilAlso - bash is considerably slower with scripting.13:40
psycho_oreosI wouldn't dare symlink /bin/ash with /bin/bash lol I saw that coming real quick when autodisconnect fails to work13:40
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SpeedEvilAs with busybox, everything is uilt in - so all of the 'builtin' commands start lots fasrter, with less RAM use.13:40
psycho_oreosthe only problem is that busybox's standard ash or sh is somewhat less user friendly13:41
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dreamerSpeedEvil: ah .. hmm, so I can't use it as the default shell?13:43
dreameror any other shell except for the default ash?13:43
SpeedEvilnope.13:43
dreamermeh13:43
SpeedEvilWell - not without verifying all of the scripts run as user work OK13:43
SpeedEvilLook at ls -l /bin/|grep busybox13:44
SpeedEvilAll of these start considerably faster with busybox than bash or whatever, and use less RAM, as they are mostly already in RAM13:44
SpeedEvilFor scripting, on a constrained platform, busybox is clearly the correct solution.13:45
psycho_oreosI use /bin/bash as default shell for my own account, works fine, just don't go symlinking /bin/ash or /bin/sh as /bin/bash lol13:46
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psycho_oreosdoesn't mean that you'll need to code work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option13:46
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psycho_oreoss/code/script/13:46
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: doesn't mean that you'll need to script work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option13:46
SpeedEvilSouns sane - I haven't investigated closely.13:46
SpeedEvilreplacing sh with bash was never very interesting to me.13:47
dreamerpsycho_oreos: I installed bash with apt yes13:47
dreamerI'm also considering zsh actually (don't know if that's available though)13:47
dreamerheard many wonderfull things about it ;)13:47
psycho_oreosdreamer, I meant bash3, and manually edit /etc/passwd (if you're confident with CLI work)13:47
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, I wouldn't do symlinking, you'd probably end up bootloops :D13:47
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dreamerpsycho_oreos: I did usermod -s /bin/bash user13:48
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dreamerseemed to work, but my regular .bashrc didn't seem to do anything (fancy colouring and such)13:48
psycho_oreosdreamer, ahh I didn't try that.. I tried bash-setup a couple of times before giving it up and hand editing /etc/passwd13:48
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dreamerpsycho_oreos: tried chsh first, didn't work (but maybe because of busybox' commands), anyway for you bash seems to work just fine with busybox' scripts?13:49
psycho_oreosyou'll need to symlink it with .bash_profile.. my one when I hand edited /etc/passwd gave me colourful prompt for user which is not what I want and I found out symlinking ~/.bash_profile to ~/.bashrc works13:49
psycho_oreosdreamer, yes as long as busybox scripts continue using /bin/ash or /bin/sh respectively.. like I said I only changed it for user logins or else you'd have a very fubared setup :)13:50
pupnik_see solitaire on wine on n900? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs13:51
dreamerpsycho_oreos: ok, well with userbod it should only by for user right? :)13:51
dreamermod*13:51
dreamerbe*13:51
dreamer(typoterror in this chan eh?)13:51
psycho_oreosdreamer, never really tried that :)13:51
dreamerusermod is the same as editting /etc/passwd afaik13:51
dreamerexcept you don't need to use an editor ;)13:52
psycho_oreossometimes proper user intervention armed with nothing than a text editor is the only way :D13:52
psycho_oreosif usermod has successfully changed user's shell to bash, you should be able to grep that via /etc/passwd13:53
psycho_oreosgrep /bin/bash /etc/passwd13:54
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dreamerpsycho_oreos: yup13:57
psycho_oreosany of you guys managed to install man-db? looks like I managed to make a massive dep hell13:57
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dreameranyway, back to trying to get ssh-agent to work with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=1937013:59
dreamerspecifically the .bash_profile snippet at the end, or does anyone have another sollution to this?14:00
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dreamerwewt, got ssh-agent working \o/14:18
dreamerthis phone is getting better and better ;)14:18
dreamertoo bad advanced-power-manager didn't work14:18
psycho_oreosdreamer, you got bt headset/headphone?14:21
dreamerno, why?14:21
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psycho_oreoscurious, got an issue with intermittent audio not working through bt headset14:21
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jpinx-eeepcdreamer: I am trying to get X over ssh to work, but I can't get the display to come up in the laptop that is ssh'd in14:29
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dreamerjpinx-eeepc: so? why you telling me? :P14:39
jpinx-eeepcasking -- in case you had managed it...14:39
dreamerI barely have my n900 for 24 hours14:39
dreamerbut ehm, this a general ssh-question?14:40
dreamereh, x-forwarding14:40
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dreamerwhat are you using on your work-pc? (on linux or windoze?)14:41
jpinx-eeepclinux - debian stable14:42
jpinx-eeepcI ssh in with -x AS PER USUAL14:42
jpinx-eeepcOoops14:43
jpinx-eeepcand sshfs works fine too14:43
jpinx-eeepcI have a custom chroot of squeeze in the n900 and installed links2 to test from the remote laptop, but links2 -g google.com pops up on the phone screen14:44
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alteregoI guess I should do a full backup of my N90014:46
* haj just remembers it's been a while since he rsync'ed his N900... :)14:47
* psycho_oreos is being reminded of dar14:48
psycho_oreosdreamer, did you find out more info about zsh on n900?14:52
dreamerpsycho_oreos: nope, didn't look :P14:53
psycho_oreosdreamer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie14:53
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: thought it was -X ;)14:53
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: is the server set up to enable x-forwarding?14:53
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jpinx-eeepcyes . sorry for the typo - it's actually ssh -tX blah14:54
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dreamerpsycho_oreos: ok, so it's in the repo .. but he says 'don't use it as the default', but is that for user or for the system? :P14:55
dreamerpsycho_oreos: anyway, I'm happy that I got ssh-agent to work now ;)14:55
jpinx-eeepcand the laptop is already used for ssh x-forwarding from another box14:55
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: ok, then it's just weird :P14:55
psycho_oreosdreamer, its in a custom repo and I think it might be for the user but not that I have tried zsh or that repo anyway. I'm browsing the repo as we speak14:56
dreamermaybe ask in #debian or the distro-channel of your laptop. not in any way #maemo related14:56
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: yea - it's to do with how  consoles are allocated in maemo - I'll sort it later, just hoped for a shortcut ;)14:57
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: ok wait, you _are_ trying to x-forward on your maemo device?14:57
dreamerbecause you mentioned your home-laptop and work-pc .. so not sure what you mean14:58
jpinx-eeepcyes14:58
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: a chroot in the n900, ssh -tX in from my laptop, run links2 -g google.com from remote and it comes up in the n900 screen14:59
dreamerok, I have no idea why you would do a setup like that :P14:59
jpinx-eeepcso that I can use a decent-sized kbd and screen whie running X applications on the n90015:00
* dreamer try BlessN90015:00
psycho_oreosyou'll need to restart N900 after installing that15:01
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dreamerpsycho_oreos: I know :)15:01
* dreamer wishes he was in a world where qwerty was not the standard keyboard layout15:01
dreamerto be honest it really does not work well when typing with your thumbs (or any other time tbh)15:02
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psycho_oreoswell you can get azwerty keyboard I think for n90015:02
dreamersame15:03
* dreamer likes dvorak15:03
dreamerthe n900 keyboard isn't very optimal anyway, I've seen some 4-rowed smartphones that looked more logical15:03
dreamerah well15:03
dreamerthe rest of the specs are awesome ;)15:03
* psycho_oreos has never used any other keyboard other than qwerty.. granted the keyboard on n900 is puny making most of the typing a thumbwork but then again15:03
dreamerpsycho_oreos: if you like your hands, don't use qwerty ;)15:04
jpinx-eeepchence my use of a thin client ;)15:04
psycho_oreosyeah someone else also complained about 3 row keyboard for n90015:04
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: oh now it's a thin client?15:04
dreamerso how many computers are you using to x-forward? :P15:04
psycho_oreosdreamer, lol ok I'm not willing to go into keyboard layout wars :)15:04
dreamerhehe15:05
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: a laptop ssh'd into the n900 to operte the n900 apps - a thin client15:05
dreamerah well, it's all the fault of the typewriter industry :(15:05
psycho_oreosmouse can be argued as the least hand friendliest :) known to cause RSI and even worse CTS15:05
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: I thought the home-laptop was the one forwarding15:05
dreamerand the work-pc the client15:05
dreamerdidn't really understand what te n900 even had to do with it :P15:06
ShadowJKthe actual keys on the N900 are awesome though15:06
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: the n900 is where everything runs15:06
ShadowJKeverything else has so flat keys, with no distinctive feel for when you've pressed the key or not15:06
psycho_oreosi.e. touchscreen? :)15:06
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: maybe explain your topology again15:06
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kloklohello15:07
psycho_oreosI remember someone posted a link in here about how there was experimental work on n900 in making touchscreen feels a little more like touching keys or something15:07
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: n900 with USB cable to laptop. Laptop ssh -tX user@n900. Run X application from the cli over ssh and it does not come up in the laptop screen, but on the n900 screen15:08
psycho_oreostoo bad it's not available for the production series of n900 it was some privately made stuff15:08
psycho_oreoskloklo, hi15:08
jpinx-eeepckloklo: o/15:08
klokloexcuse me, is there a way to have irc in conversation ? (like the msn, skype plugin)15:09
psycho_oreosdoubt it15:09
kloklo(sorry for my poor english btw, i'm french..)15:09
jpinx-eeepckloklo: not sure exactly which way round you want to do it, but bitlbee puts all messangers into an irc client15:10
psycho_oreoshttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html15:10
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dreamerjpinx-eeepc: then what did your work-pc have to do with it?15:10
* jpinx-eeepc does not remember mentioning a work pc15:11
dreamerok, my bad then .. I thought you did :P15:11
jpinx-eeepc:)15:11
dreamerjpinx-eeepc: anyway, did you set /etc/ssh/ssh_config ForwardX11 yes ?15:11
kloklojpinx-eeepc: mm, no the idea was to have some sort of irc directly in conversation on n900...15:11
psycho_oreosI can't really imagine how conversation would work with irc, one would have so many users popping up in contacts lol15:12
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dreamerjpinx-eeepc: lol, I see where I got it wrong: 'X over ssh to work' << I thought you wanted to forward ssh to your work ;)15:12
dreamerhaha15:12
dreamersorry, not really awake yet (ahum, got up like 4 hours ago ..)15:13
jpinx-eeepcheh15:13
kloklopsycho_oreos: yeah i know, just wanted to try :)15:13
jpinx-eeepckloklo: irssi works in the n900 for irc15:13
psycho_oreosand then there's xchat15:13
klokloyeah i already use xchat, it's good15:14
jpinx-eeepckloklo: and bitlbee *is* what you want15:14
jpinx-eeepcunless I am totally misunderstanding you15:14
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psycho_oreoskloklo, no afaik it isn't available.. maybe you can start making one.. but I think one will be humiliated.. I mean what if one is in multiple channels whereby there's at least more than 100 users per channel? :)15:14
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dreamerjpinx-eeepc: so, did you set that config?15:14
kloklojpinx-eeepc: haha why ? bitlbee iirc is for having msn/etc.. on irc ..15:15
psycho_oreosspend eternity scrolling through contacts if you don't recall a handle's first letter15:15
jpinx-eeepckloklo: that's what you want - chatrooms in yahoo in your irc client -- am I right?15:15
klokloyep i know15:15
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kloklomy idea was to connect to my own irc server (with pratically no one on it..) and then when the few people who comes on it are talking, i can see it, without the need to have a full irc client (xchat or irssi) always on..(battery wise..)15:17
ShadowJKI think the biggest energy cost is for the communications, not the CPU15:18
ShadowJKatleast in the case of xchat15:18
psycho_oreosto have irc server on n900 would somewhat be overkill and I don't think there would be that many people use IRC these days.. hardly any of my peers use IRC15:18
ShadowJK(the one in maemo repositories have had all the CPU consumption during idle cut out)15:18
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dreamerjust run irssi with bitlbee on a server somewhere15:19
alteregoRight, well, I've done a selective backup of what I want to keep, and I've done a full backup just incase I've forgotten anything ^.^15:19
dreameryou only need a terminal on your n900 .. and hey, it's already there!15:19
korhojoathat is what i do, i've got irssi with bitlbee on a serer at home15:19
korhojoai also have irssi running on the phone, which connects using irssi_proxy15:19
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dreamerI haven't used bitlbee in about 6 months though .. too lazy to set it up again :P15:19
korhojoathis provides access even when connectivity is bad15:19
korhojoasetting it up is trivial15:20
kloklobut then you have to manually check if there is activity on the channels..15:20
dvoid_i need a text to speech-call function to maemo ;)15:20
vdvhave anybody tried to install diff?15:20
dreamerhmmm irssi_proxy?15:20
kloklowith a plugin, the led can blinks and tell you15:20
korhojoayes, irssi_proxy. it lets you run irssi as a kind of bouncer15:20
dreamerhmm15:21
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: #   ForwardX11 no15:21
jpinx-eeepccommented out  . or should I uncomment it and say "yes"-15:21
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dreamerjpinx-eeepc: uncomment and say yes15:22
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klokloin fact i actually saw and tested a plugin for that, too bad it didn't work :)15:22
kloklohttp://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/15:23
jpinx-eeepckorhojoa: not having a server at home I use screen and leave irssi running ;)15:23
dreamerkorhojoa: hmmm, sorry, I prefer just running irssi in screen and connecting over ssh :P15:23
dreamerdon't need to run irss local :p15:23
korhojoayeah, but that's really not an option when on a train here15:23
korhojoaconnectivity is really really bad, so ssh keeps getting disconnected15:23
dreamerhmm, trie15:23
dreamertrue*15:23
korhojoalocal irssi just takes a while to get messages, but it at least doesn't require me to reconnect all the time15:23
dreamerwell, ssh didn't disconnect or timeout here, but it's not big fun :P15:24
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kloklomm, i will test xchat on a day-usage to see if it drains the battery :)15:27
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: ok - did the uncomment and changed to yes, restarted ssh , but same result - links2 -g google.com comes up in the n900 screen15:27
dreamerok, because that is the exact config that would enable it for you :P15:28
dreamerdid you completely restart sshd?15:28
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kloklosee ya guys15:29
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: /etc/init.d/ssh restart15:29
kloklohave a nice day15:29
kloklobye15:29
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jpinx-eeepcdreamer: all done as root15:30
dreamerk, I don't have sshd installed, so can't check15:30
dreamerand kind of have other stuff to do15:30
dreamergood luck though :)15:30
jpinx-eeepcdreamer: ok - thanks anyway :)15:31
dreamerttl15:31
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steinexcan i safely remove ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000?15:49
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jpinx-eeepcsteinex: I suggest you can delete it's contents, but the system might depend on it existing15:54
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steinexi mean the content of course ;)15:54
steinexjust wondered that there is a trash anyway15:54
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jpinx-eeepclet me look...15:56
jpinx-eeepcsteinex: I do not appear to have that file15:58
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vdvhow can i look package detail info with dpkg?16:12
SpeedEvilapt-cache show less16:13
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jpinx-eeepcI have ssh -Xt into my n900 over usb networking, installed a chroot of squeeze there, installed links2, set X-forwarding to "yes" in both the phones native OS  and in the chroot, but the display of links2 -g google.com still comes up in the phone, not the laptop - any ideas anyone?16:18
SpeedEvilcheck your /etc/sshd/config - or whatever the file is - is set to allow it16:20
lindi-jpinx-eeepc: echo $DISPLAY16:20
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil:    ForwardX11 yes16:22
jpinx-eeepclindi-: in the laptop or the phone?16:22
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jacktheripperdoes the N900 have a gyroscope ?16:23
jacktheripperI saw one mentioned i the hardware page, but no info on how to use it, just the accelerometer16:23
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jacktheripperoh it's under 'additional hardware'..16:24
Ergonmaemo16:24
jpinx-eeepclindi-: jpinx@chroot-N900:/# echo $DISPLAY16:25
jpinx-eeepc:0.016:25
Ergonmaemo16:25
jpinx-eeepcErgon: root@Nokia-N900:~# echo $DISPLAY16:26
jpinx-eeepc:0.016:26
Ergonmaemo16:26
psycho_oreosinteresting iputils and valgrind is not available in the tools repo16:27
Ergonmaemo16:27
lcukErgon, :D16:27
Ergonmaemo16:27
psycho_oreosbanstick anyone? :)16:28
Ergonwhy16:28
lcukpsycho_oreos, valgrind was not working on arm until recently afaik16:28
psycho_oreosErgon, all you do is repeat `maemo'16:28
psycho_oreoslcuk, bah16:28
Ergonpsycho_oreos: it's correct16:29
jpinx-eeepclindi-: sorry - those pastes were for you16:29
Ergonmaemo16:29
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psycho_oreosErgon, and you don't have anything better to do than to repeat `maemo' with occasional responses to words other than `maemo'?16:30
Ergonmaemo is correct16:30
lindi-psycho_oreos: valgrind support for arm is still bit incomplete?16:31
Ergonmaemo16:31
psycho_oreoslindi-, I dunno I couldn't get the package installed16:31
Ergonmaemo16:32
lcukErgon, :) what do you like most about maemo16:32
psycho_oreosdespite it being noted on the wiki as dev tools for fremantle16:32
Ergonlcuk: that it's correct16:32
lcukdefine correct16:32
Ergonmaemo is a correct word16:32
lcukmaemo is a word generated by a password gen thingy, its enetered normal use as an uber cool debian based os, but what do you specifically like about maemo beyond just the word itself16:33
Ergonmaemo is a word with an immense beauty.16:34
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lcukwhich way do you pronounce it?16:34
MohammadAGsounds like a bot to me16:34
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Ergonmeimo16:34
Ergonmohammadag sucks16:34
jacktherippertoo bad it's being replaced by meego -.-16:35
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Ergonmaemo16:36
xDaReaperxyeah as i was asking : how many meters can the FM Transmit frequencies to ? if it is set to 120 as the max transmissino rate16:36
MohammadAGbot!16:36
Ergonmohammadag: silence.16:36
Ergonyou suck.16:36
lardman~curse Debian for their naming scheme16:36
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Debian for their naming scheme !16:36
MohammadAGsmart one16:36
lcukxDaReaperx, its different based on environmental conditions16:36
Ergonmaemo16:36
lcukwith a large reciever dish you could potentially pick up the signal from 100s of miles away :P16:36
Ergonmaemo16:37
xDaReaperxhmm at 111 it transmits only upto 1-2 meters16:37
xDaReaperxfor me16:37
lardmanWhat do you think one would call this in Debian? http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/16:37
xDaReaperxweird16:37
Ergonmaemo16:37
MohammadAGinstalling a bot16:37
Ergonmaemo16:37
MohammadAGnope, doesn't reply to bot...16:37
xDaReaperxOh okay it's also based on how you receive the frequencies16:37
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping? +q in order16:37
Ergonmohammadag is a moron16:38
xDaReaperx=/16:38
MohammadAGlol?16:38
Ergonmaemo16:38
maybeWTFmmmatt damon?16:38
lcukyes xDaReaperx - some cars have antennas which are not in direct line of sight through the window and the signal has to travel through the metal roof16:38
Ergonmaemo is a correct and beautiful word16:38
xDaReaperxHmm i was playing it on my Home theater .. didn't try it in my car yet16:39
Ergonmaemo is a correct and beautiful word. do you concur?16:39
MohammadAGok?16:40
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Ergondo you concur, moron?16:41
lardmanErgon: shut up16:41
Ergonlardman sucks16:41
* lardman is not overly happy16:41
RST38hmoo, lardman16:41
Ergonhaha16:41
lardmansaturday shopping does that to a man16:41
lardmanhey RST38h16:42
Ergonlardman is a douchebag16:42
MohammadAGugh for fuck's sake16:42
xDaReaperxlol16:42
MohammadAGwhat do ops do on this channel16:42
lardmansomeone kick him16:42
* MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and GeneralAntilles 16:42
Ergonmohammadag: go back to mekka16:42
RST38hAnd what is this little funny fece?16:42
Ergonmaemo16:42
MohammadAGnice, it's not a bot16:42
Ergonmohammadag is a muslim16:42
StskeepsMohammadAG: what?16:43
Stskeeps:P16:43
MohammadAGthanks for the input captain obvious lol16:43
xDaReaperxlol wut ?16:43
RST38hGood! WE HAVE GOT A LIVE ONE!16:43
MohammadAGStskeeps, annoying bot/retard, whatever16:43
StskeepsErgon: what are you?16:43
Ergonan ergon.16:43
lardmanMohammadAG: not bright enough to be a bot16:43
maybeWTFeliza gone wild, maemo edition16:43
RST38hStskeeps: Do you really want to know that or should an IP address ban suffice?16:43
MohammadAGlol16:43
Ergonmohammadag sucks16:44
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps16:44
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*** Stskeeps sets mode: +q Ergon!*@*16:44
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RST38hWrong move.16:44
lardmanthanks Stskeeps16:44
lardmanwhat does mode +q do?16:45
RST38hquiets him16:45
MohammadAGquiet16:45
lardmanok16:45
RST38hBut setting it to a nickname is kinda useless16:45
MohammadAGthat's an ident, not a nickname16:45
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jpinx-eeepclindi-: did you get my DISPLAY settings?16:45
RST38hNo.16:45
xDaReaperx_wow it is true , can't see the 360p and 480p options on youtube while browsing with the N90016:46
RST38hAnything to the left of ! is nickname16:46
psycho_oreosuser!ident@host16:46
* lardman prepares to do some Debianisation16:46
lardmanurgh16:46
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lindi-jpinx-eeepc: yes, it points to local display16:47
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psycho_oreosany of you guys have bluetooth headset/headphone and uses music players like instinctiv or symfonie and have music playing through bluetooth headset/headphones? I'm having intermittent issues with mine, it has only worked once so far. Every other time I don't get sounds coming out of my bluetooth headset/headphone.16:48
lardmanwould people be unhappy if I pushed a package called python-qt?16:48
lardmanit looks rather similar to the pyqt package names16:48
jpinx-eeepclindi-: so how do I make it point to the laptop when the command comes over ssh?16:49
lardmanoops, or rather mine would be called pythonqt, with no -16:49
MohammadAGlardman, I'd ask achipa first16:49
lindi-jpinx-eeepc: what ssh server and client are you using?16:49
MohammadAG/atilia77 on tmo16:49
jpinx-eeepclindi-: openssh16:49
lardmanit's not PyQt, it's allows Python scripts to be called from inside Qt16:49
lardmanand is actually called PythonQt confusingly16:49
lardmanhence my larting the Debian naming scheme16:50
lindi-jpinx-eeepc: I guess enabling ForwardX11 on both ends and installing xauth should be enough16:50
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MohammadAGlardman, python-qt-scripts?16:50
jpinx-eeepclindi-: done all that and restarted ssh16:51
lardmanMohammadAG: bit ambiguous though that name16:52
lardmanthough I guess pythonqt is too16:52
lardmanperhaps I could go for qtpython as it does the reverse of python-qt ;)16:53
lardmanin fact I think I'll leave it called pythonqt, as that is the sourceforge name, and make it clear in the description what it's for16:54
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lardmanah, perhaps libpythonqt16:56
* lardman should really get on with Debianising rather than talking about it to delay the pain16:57
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noodles900lindi-: on restartng ssh in the n900 I get this http://paste.debian.net/96744/17:09
GAN900I know I love it when MicroB decides to rerender pages for no reason while you're reading them.17:10
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fluxgan900, ..and mess a finely rendered page in the process..17:17
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atorokhi, does anyone have connection problems with yahoo IM  ?17:27
atorokit just stoped working for me17:27
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jpinx-eeepcatorok: I'm  online there atm17:28
* lardman is quite impressed by the maemo packaging/debianisation docs17:31
lardmanwell done dneary17:31
atorokon http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/account-plugin-haze/ and it seems other people are having this trouble too ...17:32
atorokjpinx-eeepc: did you do any upgradeing lateley ?17:32
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jpinx-eeepcatorok: upgrading of what?17:37
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atorokjpinx-eeepc: anything. I got an for some packages a couple of days ago17:38
atorokthat might have caused it17:38
atoroki didn't chekc exactly what was it17:38
jpinx-eeepcatorok: I update often17:38
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atorokjpinx-eeepc: how about in the last 3 days or so ?17:39
atorokjpinx-eeepc: do you have pending updates now?17:39
jpinx-eeepcoften = daily17:39
lardmanhmm, error: Python.h: No such file or directory17:39
jpinx-eeepcatorok: everytime you open apps manager it hunts for updates.17:40
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MohammadAGdoes hildon allow non full screen popups?17:44
ruskiedreamer, don't use it as default anywhere17:44
dreamerruskie: bash?17:44
ruskiedreamer, zsh17:44
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lardmanDoes python come with a pkgconfig file, apparently not, does one have to manually add include paths for apps that require python then?17:44
dreamerok, not that interested to use zsh actually, just wondering17:44
dreamerruskie: why not actually?17:44
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lardmanMohammadAG: dialogs?17:45
ruskiedreamer, all my experiments turned out to break the system17:45
ruskiedreamer, either root or user17:45
ruskiein both cases the system became unbootable17:45
dreamerok, weird that it won't boot as user though17:45
MohammadAGlardman, not exactly useful to what I want to do17:45
lardmansorry! :)17:45
dreamerfor busybox I can imagine it won't work (aka root-stuff). but shouldn't matter that much for user should it?17:45
MohammadAGlardman, shitty video, but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-TLJcKbl2c17:45
dreameranyway, now using bash for user .. and is fine :)17:46
dreamerruskie: I think I'll try zsh for my server and/or laptop first some time :)17:46
lardmanMohammadAG: ah I see17:46
ruskiedreamer, I just put into the .sh_profile or .shrc to launch zsh as my shell when I ssh... and just have a separate terminal shortcut to launch it with zsh17:46
lardmanMohammadAG: no idea though, sorry17:47
dreamerruskie: why?17:47
ruskieas said... caused breakages for me17:47
dreamerwhy not have zsh for your user on the remote host then?17:47
ruskieI meant on the n90017:47
dreamerwhat does ssh have to do with it then?17:48
dreameranyway, w/e don't use it :P17:48
ruskieI ssh into the device?17:48
dreamerok, but why use it at all then? if it breaks stuff17:48
ruskiebecause zsh to me is better than other shells17:48
dreameror it just breaks the boot and not while turned on?17:48
xDaReaperxmeh17:48
dreamerhehe17:48
ruskieit just breaks boot17:48
ruskienot while on17:48
dreamerok17:49
dreamerbut on boot the user doesn't do anything does it?17:49
ruskiedoes17:49
dreamerdid you set it with usermod -s /bin/zsh ?17:49
dreamerok17:49
ruskiea ton of stuff get's run as user17:50
dreamerah, hmm17:50
dreamerah well17:50
* dreamer afk17:50
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ruskieI just edit passwd file like on any other system ;)17:50
xDaReaperxyay i got all the 3 level packs for angry birds :D17:53
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lardmanhmm, libpythonqt seems to have built, first step towards mBarcode python plugins done18:20
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DocScrutinizer~messybox18:21
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils18:21
DocScrutinizerand even worse, maemo initscripts rely on busyboxisms (a severe bug that WONTFIX aiui), so replacing messybox by coreutils and a decent shell for use at boottime has been reported several times to break things (allegedly only for user user, not for user root - prolly the messyboxisms are in user startscripts)18:24
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lardmanIf I want to call make distclean in my debian/rules clean: section, how do I stop it failing if the package has already been cleaned?18:25
lardmanother than specify that it generates the Makefile before cleaning. I suppose an existence check is in order, but is that the normal method?18:26
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intelinsiderhm18:32
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lardmanah, simply add a minus sign in front of the $(MAKE)18:33
lardmanthe things one learns by reading webpages hey18:33
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* GAN900 stabs microb.18:35
alteregoErm, why isn't the backup program seeing my backups?18:36
alteregoffs, I've just done a complete reflash and now I can't bring back my contacts :(18:37
GAN900did you reflash the eMMC?18:38
alteregoAh, it needs to be under the "backups" directory.18:38
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vdvwhich filemanager are you use on n900?18:40
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alterego"File Manager"18:45
alteregoAnyway, looks like that worked, I'd hate to have to re-add everyone again ^.^18:45
alteregoAnd to answer the question, no, the N900 doesn't merge conversations, when restoring a backup.18:46
DocScrutinizeralterego: yeah, isn't it great you have not even a way to tell apart files of same name which are on different storage devices (i.e backup1 on eMMC and backup1 on uSD will be impossible to distinguish)18:50
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DocScrutinizerhooray for "simplicity" (of mind?)18:50
DocScrutinizer(and if "of mind" then whose mind, the users' or the designers')18:51
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noodles900chwhy can I get the n900 camera to show in the laptop over ssh, but not X apps -- Grrrr18:53
DocScrutinizererrr wut?18:53
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noodles900chDocScrutinizer: xauth installed in the n900, but now restarting ssh throws errors :(18:53
SpeedEvilDISPLAY18:54
SpeedEvilYou just xhost phone on your desktop, thenset the appropriate keyb.18:54
noodles900ch.0.018:54
SpeedEvilAlso I need to vaccum my keyboard18:54
SpeedEvilerr18:54
DocScrutinizernot really sure if I get what you're doing, but I heard x-forwarding doesn't work (ootb) on N90018:54
SpeedEvilset the approrpiate DISPLATY18:54
SpeedEvilsigh18:54
noodles900chSpeedEvil: "appropriate" ?18:55
noodles900chit's :0.0 atm18:55
DocScrutinizercould you get more verbose and share some details (like cmdlines etc) so we could actually follow?18:56
DocScrutinizeralso HTF did you get camera on laptop? over ssh?18:57
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: ok - there is a chroot in the n900 running links2, I ssh18:57
DocScrutinizerI suppose this can be done via gstreamer only18:58
jpinx-eeepcI do " ssh -Xt root@n900IP " and then chroot in18:58
SpeedEvilnoodles900ch: DISPLAY=laptop:018:59
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jpinx-eeepcworking over ssh in the chroot I do links2 -g google.com and it shows on the n900 screen - not tthe laptop18:59
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: how should I identify the laptop? by IP ?19:00
SpeedEvilor name19:00
SpeedEvilI had to fiddle with my laptop sshd config to get it to allow X forwarding - it had it setup to disallow.19:00
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: and that will permanently change DISPLAY I presume?19:00
SpeedEvilThough the above method of course doesnt'.19:00
SpeedEvilDISPLAY is anenvironment variale.19:01
SpeedEvilany subshells inherit19:01
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: yea - the default is no X forwarding - but I have that set to yes19:01
DocScrutinizerI always had the idea ssh deals with DISPLAY automatically19:02
jpinx-eeepcso if I change DISPLAY in the chroot, and then use the kbd on the n900, it'll show in the laptop?19:02
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: it did in my other setup between 2 debian boxes19:02
* jpinx-eeepc goes to fiddle with DISPLAY and hopes not to lose it....19:03
SpeedEvilssh deals with DISPLAY if it is doing forwarding.19:03
DocScrutinizeryes19:03
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DocScrutinizerthat's what I meant19:03
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: well ssh is doing forwarding from the n900, but restarting ssh threw errors19:04
jpinx-eeepclet me pastebin...19:04
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jpinx-eeepchttp://paste.debian.net/96762/19:06
jpinx-eeepcthaat was after installing xauth19:07
intelinsidershould i buy a nokia n900?... i want a new smartphone and i try to like maemo/meego19:07
jpinx-eeepcyes - buy a n900 :)19:07
DocScrutinizerno, don't buy a N90019:08
intelinsider:)19:08
jpinx-eeepcyes - *DO* buy a n900 :)19:08
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intelinsiderand the future with meamo on the n900 device?19:09
DocScrutinizerhonestly, if you don't *know* you *wnat* a linux phone that doesn't work without you working on it, you better get an adridiot or spyPhone19:09
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: what did you make of that error?19:09
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SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: I diddn't look at it.19:10
DocScrutinizeranybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should bet an iPhone19:10
DocScrutinizers/ bet/ get/19:11
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: anybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should get an iPhone19:11
SpeedEvilI got distracted considering manufacturing a 1Kw solar panel for my shed.19:11
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intelinsiderno i dont want a android, bada or win mobile os19:11
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: http://paste.debian.net/96762/19:11
SpeedEvilThe first killer-app for me for the n900 was when my laptop hard-disk went dodgy, and I realised the easiest way to backup was to rsync / onto the phone19:11
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: a friend of mine got a used iPod for that :-D19:13
SpeedEvilThat looks like a syntax error in the script to me jp19:13
SpeedEvilinx19:13
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jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: I'm looking for a 16Gb micro SD and I'll be able to backup the phone *and* the eeepc :)19:13
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: still nickexpand on shift-right? :-P19:13
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intelinsiderbut i search a new challenge...19:13
jpinx-eeepcintelinsider: you just found it :p19:14
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: what script?19:14
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: months and years of challenge :-D19:14
DocScrutinizerand fun19:14
jpinx-eeepcit's a lot of fun - but frustrating at times19:15
intelinsiderhehe19:15
intelinsideri like it ;)19:15
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SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: the script you called19:17
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: (frustration) there's not only an adoption market for unloved N900 babies on ebay, but allegedly also a cemetery for those devices thrown out of the window in a destructive frenzy19:17
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: you got to know your own frustration tolerance19:18
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jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: hang on - there's more gremlins..  I can get X from maemo, but not from the chroot19:19
intelinsiderhmmm19:20
intelinsideri think i try the n90019:20
jpinx-eeepcyay \o/19:20
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: if problems arise, please don't start bitching and flaming, but come here and ask for help. Almost everything can be solved if you're willing to jump some hoops19:21
jpinx-eeepcFiery hoops at times...  ;)19:22
intelinsiderno no no :)19:22
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: if you feel that's not what you want to do, please silently sell the device. We are not interested in learning if or why you did19:22
intelinsiderwhy i should flame? :) no i use the energy to find solutions19:22
jpinx-eeepcthat's whaat *she* said19:23
DocScrutinizergood mindset :-D19:23
intelinsider:P19:23
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DocScrutinizerintelinsider: I change my prev advice: yes, you should buy a N900 :-)19:27
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jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: ok - in maemo DISPLAY is "localhost:10.0" and when I fire up an app over ssh, it shows up in the laptop19:31
jpinx-eeepcI set DISPLAY to the same in the chroot and it still comes up in the n90019:31
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jpinx-eeepcso  I did " DISPLAY=193.168.2.14:10.0 " in the chroot , but it *still* comes up in the n90019:32
marmoutewho is 193.168.2.1419:33
jpinx-eeepcit's the IP of the laptop on the usb network19:34
jpinx-eeepcI have tried it with the hostname of the laptop as well - still no good19:35
marmouteusing the IP of the laptop won't work19:35
jpinx-eeepcso I  discovered ;)19:35
marmoutethe X is ss *forwarded*19:35
jpinx-eeepcyea - forwarded *to* the laptop19:36
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pupnikhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all19:37
pupnikare those news article picks machine or human-generated?19:37
jpinx-eeepcmarmoute: so what do I set DISPLAY to if it is not the IP or hostname?19:39
marmoutejpinx-eeepc: forwarded *to* the laptopn *through* the N90019:42
jpinx-eeepcmarmoute: ok - so what is the setting for the chroot DISPLAY ?19:43
marmoutejpinx-eeepc: the N900 one, but you have to make sure the socket is acessible from the CHroot. anyway an acessible socket would lead to no display at all. It's most likely that your DIPLAY var is not defined propertly19:43
jpinx-eeepcthe n900 is set to localhost:10.019:43
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intelinsidershould i destroy the system from the n900, can i restore/repair it?19:45
ShadowJKUsing a PC, yeah19:45
intelinsideri mean in the worst case ;)19:45
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ShadowJKYou could write to /dev/mtd directly and erase your bootloader19:46
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ShadowJKthen you couldn't recover yourself anymore19:46
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ShadowJKactually i dont remember if bootloader is included in the default partitions19:46
DocScrutinizerjacekowski claims it *can* be recovered on N90019:46
DocScrutinizerusing coldflash via USB, which on N900 is supported by ROM BL19:47
intelinsiderokay a flash tool to reset, thanks19:47
DocScrutinizernevertheless you probably should refrain from nuking your mtd's19:48
DocScrutinizerintelinsider: for all usual cases of "I nuked my rootfs and now it bootloops" there's ~flashing19:49
DocScrutinizer~flashing19:49
infobotmethinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware19:49
jpinx-eeepcmarmoute: well - I am truly stuck - I have tried setting DISPLAY in the chroot to the hostname of the n900 or to the hostname of the laptop,19:49
jacekowskiwell, there are 3 stages of bootloader19:49
intelinsider;)19:49
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jacekowskirom BL19:49
jacekowski1st stage bootloader - x-loader19:49
jacekowski2nd stage bootloader19:49
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DocScrutinizerrom(0), xloader(1), NOLO(2[+3?])19:49
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jacekowskixloader in n900 is nokia version of xloader19:50
jacekowskicalled nolo-x-loader iirc19:50
jacekowskiand 2nd stage is called noloscnd19:50
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jacekowskias far as i know there is no easy way to wipe rom bl19:51
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jacekowskiif there is way of doing that at all19:51
DocScrutinizerthat's why it's called ROM ;-D19:51
jacekowskias it may be really rom19:51
RST38hok, moo.19:51
RST38hwhat's cooking tonight?19:51
jacekowskiwhich i doubt that it's rom,19:51
jacekowskibecause it needs some storage space for keys and stuff so i suppose it's all in one flash19:51
jacekowskion-die flash19:52
DocScrutinizernah, probably no mask rom, but some eprom, or even flash with a fuse19:52
DocScrutinizerflash with per-page-fuses sounds sensible19:53
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: stage0 is checking stage1 (xloader) for proper signature, correct? Do you know if stage1 xloader does same for stage2?19:55
jacekowskias far as i know it doesn't19:56
DocScrutinizerso basically we could RE NOLO, and write our own?19:57
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jacekowskiwe could19:57
DocScrutinizerresp patch the existing one19:57
jacekowskibut what for?19:57
DocScrutinizere.g for multiboot19:57
jacekowskii mean, we can load u-boot from existing nolo19:58
DocScrutinizerproper real multiboot19:58
DocScrutinizeryes19:58
DocScrutinizerIknow19:58
DocScrutinizerchainloading is what meego guys are implementing right now19:58
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jacekowskionly strange thing is that 1st stage is in thumb20:02
jacekowski2nd stage is arm20:02
johnsqHi20:02
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DocScrutinizeranyway I had *one* simple patch I'd like to see in NOLO: if emergency recovery charging finally boots up to xloader and NOLO (on 3.2V) it seems NOLO charges a bit more until ~3.5V before it actually tries to boot the kernel. I'd like to change that level to 4.0V, so NOLO would charge battery to a level safe for flashing. Could be conditional ("hold 'C' while plugging in the charger")20:04
DocScrutinizerto fix those bootloop-on-flatbat-deadlocks for good20:06
DocScrutinizer... which occur when you hosed bme/system20:06
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trumeeguys, is it possible to access the emmc and sdcard when N900 is connected in PCsuite mode in linux?20:07
ShadowJKyou want mass storage mode20:08
ShadowJKwait, do you want to access it from pc or from n900?20:08
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trumeefrom the pc20:08
ShadowJKyou want mass storage mode, not pc suite mode20:09
trumeein windows the emmc can still be accessed while in PC suite mode.20:09
trumeei am presently connected to the internet via N900 modem using pcsuite mode. to get into mass storage mode i will have to disconnect the internet.20:10
DocScrutinizerlsusb ftw20:10
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trumeecrap. my network died.20:15
DocScrutinizeraiui the notorious "Nokia PCSuite" is meant to also access data on N900, no?20:15
trumeeShadowJK: so there is no way to access emmc in pcsuite mode?20:15
Proteousthen how are you talking to us!!!20:16
trumeeProteous: it is alive again. sorry.20:16
Proteousheh20:16
trumeeDocScrutinizer: on windows there is something like access internal drive or something while in PC Suite mode20:17
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DocScrutinizerdirectly after plugging in N900 to PC - prior to selecting any mode from popup menu - there are 2 mass stroage devices showing up on lsusb -v -d 0421:01c720:20
jpinx-eeepctrumee: using sshfs maybe? -- I haven't tried20:20
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: micro SD ?20:20
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DocScrutinizerselecting pcsuite mode chages vendor:id to 0421:01c820:21
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DocScrutinizerso after selecting pcsuite, lsusb shows a friggin lot of 'nodes': http://paste.debian.net/96775/20:24
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: yea - it shows all the ghastly mounts in maemo20:25
DocScrutinizerthere's CDC OBEX for example20:25
jpinx-eeepcbut once you have selected PCSuite mode, you can't change back without disconnecting :(20:25
DocScrutinizerCDC OBEX Data, to be precise. There's CDC OBEX SyncML also20:26
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DocScrutinizerof course ACM20:27
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DocScrutinizeriInterface             10 CDC Ethernet Control Model (ECM)20:27
DocScrutinizerbInterfaceSubClass      6 Ethernet Networking20:28
trumeejpinx-eeepc: how can i use sshfs. i am using N900s modem and there is no wifi here.20:32
DocScrutinizerso no, you'll not get an external storage access in pcsuite mode. but you might access via network filesystem over CDC ECM20:32
trumeejpinx-eeepc: N900 doesnt have any ipaddress of its own.20:32
DocScrutinizer...or scp, or whatever20:33
jpinx-eeepctrumee: usb cable20:33
trumeejpinx-eeepc: so i use usb networking + N900 modem. both can work at the same time?20:33
DocScrutinizerlooks like20:33
jpinx-eeepcdunno about modem20:34
jpinx-eeepcbut probably20:34
DocScrutinizertrumee: see last 30 lines here20:34
jpinx-eeepctrumee: I use the usb cable for ssh, sshfs, and the n900 connecting through the laptop wifi20:35
trumeeDocScrutinizer: no idea how to do network filesystem over CDC ECM20:35
DocScrutinizerme neither20:35
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ShadowJKyou can maybe talk MTP or obex over one of the "serial ports"..20:35
trumeejpinx-eeepc: i need laptop connecting through N900 3g modem. plus ssh/sshfs.20:36
DocScrutinizerI guess you get a virtual NIC on PC which you need to configure20:36
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jpinx-eeepctrumee: should work ok20:36
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: there are dedicated OBEX ports20:36
jpinx-eeepctrumee: follow the wiki page guide20:36
trumeejpinx-eeepc: ok. i will try this.20:37
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: opensuse 11.3 networkmanager is crap. it doesnt see my n900 ethernet interface. i have to go into yast change to manual ifup approach and back to NetworkManager.20:38
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DocScrutinizeryes, looks like20:38
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trumeeit worked!20:40
trumeei can now ssh into N900 via usb + use N900 internal modem20:41
jpinx-eeepctrumee: toldya!20:41
jpinx-eeepcand you can run the n900 apps on your laptop screen too20:41
trumeejpinx-eeepc, DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointers20:42
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trumeejpinx-eeepc: via ssh -X ?20:42
jpinx-eeepctrumee: yep20:42
trumeejpinx-eeepc: i am happy with cli. just wanted to grab some photos i had taken.20:42
jpinx-eeepcok :)20:43
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trumeejpinx-eeepc: i will like to upload photos to picasa from N900. is there any i can invoke that N900 app from the laptop?20:51
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trumeejpinx-eeepc: no idea what the app is.20:52
jpinx-eeepctrumee: iirc there is an app for that in the maemo repos20:52
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trumeejpinx-eeepc: ok, i am directly sharing the images which is weird. N900 (images) <> PC over usb networking<> N900 3g modem.20:58
trumeebut hey it is working great.20:58
jpinx-eeepctrumee: al things are possible with the n900 :p20:59
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iliusliquidwar 6 is excellent! much better than 521:02
iliusi like to play it in N90021:02
johnsqilius: and what stops you?21:04
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iliusjohnsq: the package in maemo repo is version 521:05
iliusjohnsq: i have to buid myself21:05
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intelinsiderjpinx-eeepc: now i buyed a n900 with car charger :>21:10
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lcukintelinsider, :D21:13
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kerioyou buyed?21:14
kerioBUYED?21:15
intelinsiderae buy :O21:15
Stskeepslo texrat21:16
Texrathey Stskeeps21:17
RevdKathyHi Tex21:17
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TexratRevDKathy you here yet21:17
StskeepsTexrat: so your talk got accepted?21:17
TexratStskeeps amazingly enough yes... your doing?21:17
Texratdamn it, now I have to work :P21:18
RevdKathyI'm here21:18
Texratok Revdkathy I just need to remember how to create a new channel...21:18
StskeepsTexrat: nah :) only one out of four but it got the job done21:18
TexratI'm still blaming you Stskeeps21:18
intelinsiderand now?21:19
Texratbrb... coffee done21:19
RevdKathyk21:19
intelinsiderwaiting for mail21:19
DocScrutinizerTexrat: /join anychannel21:19
RevdKathyMeanwhile... is lcuk here?21:19
DocScrutinizerTexrat: /msg chanserv help register21:20
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DocScrutinizerTexrat: ...only if it's a channel to stay21:20
DocScrutinizerlo RevdKathy21:20
Texratah ok thanks DocScrutinizer21:20
Texrathot coffee!21:20
DocScrutinizerTexrat: np21:21
lcukRevdKathy, I am in #meego21:21
RevdKathyLo DocScrutinzer21:21
RevdKathyahhh ok, will chase you there, then lcuk21:21
DocScrutinizerlcuk: Lies! you're here, evidently21:21
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: i gather you've returned home from your HEL(l) adventure - I am supposed to remind you to implement some dimming via ALS for liqcalc solar cell21:28
lcuk:D of course, yes thank you for the reminder21:29
DocScrutinizerlcuk: though I thought the solar cell gets replaced by a input textbox for infinte precision calctool21:30
lcukheh no21:30
lcukI just wanted to try turning the lights off  inthe room and watching the little mini calc screen dim21:30
lcuk(but keep the buttons lit up)21:31
lcukit wouldnt be as effective as covering the cell itself21:31
lcukbut it would be fun :D21:31
DocScrutinizeryou ported calctool to maemo meanwhile?21:32
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lcukno, I have had 10000000 more important things on my mind21:32
DocScrutinizersure, just asking21:33
lcukand have done little coding myself of late21:33
DocScrutinizermaybe MohammadAG51 could be talked into it :-)21:33
DocScrutinizerit's a simple cmdline tool after all21:34
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eraniDocScrutinizer: huh? O.o21:34
DocScrutinizereh, hi erani21:35
DocScrutinizer[2010-10-16 18:18:11] [Notice] -erani- I'm sorry, but I'm away (off)21:35
eranisorry, i guess my away hilight had reloaded itself :) did unload it (again) now...21:35
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eraniaway hilight notice* script i mean21:36
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DocScrutinizerfine :-)21:36
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RST38hlcuk: is meegotouch available for maemo5 at all?21:37
lcukRST38h, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=meegotouch&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same21:40
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lardmanre21:41
lcukhey lardman \o21:42
lardmanhi lcuk21:42
RST38hhm21:42
* lardman thinks to himself that MoH is not as good as he was expecting21:44
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Texratbusy today!22:00
Texratthe whole gang is here22:00
Texratand lcuk the newly-bearded one too :P22:01
lcuk:D oh hai Texrat22:01
TexratRevdkathy working out my MeeGo conf flight :D22:02
Texratso brace yourselves!!!!22:02
lcuklardman, sometimes sequals don't capture the essense of the original and need refinement and tweaking to get it right22:02
MohammadAGhey Texrat22:03
Texrathey MohammedAG22:03
MohammadAGyou can probably use tab to complete nicknames :)22:04
MohammadAGwb lcuk, haven't seen you for a while22:04
TexratMohammedAG what is CTCP VERSION ?22:05
MohammadAGmy N900's condition went downhill today :(22:05
MohammadAGTexrat, checked your client :)22:05
MohammadAGqwebirc22:05
MohammadAG/ctcp nickname VERSION and the client will reply with the name and version22:05
Texratah22:05
MohammadAG-MohammadAG- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu22:05
Texratbrowser ;)22:06
MohammadAG-Texrat- VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)22:06
Texratholy shit22:06
TexratPC my ass, this is a WORKSTATION!  ROAR!!!!22:06
MohammadAGlol22:06
Texrat4 cores, 4 g ram, 1TB drive dammit22:07
MohammadAG4 cores, 4GB RAM, 500GBs, and it's a laptop :P22:07
Texratok that's it22:07
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Texratnow I'm humiliated22:07
MohammadAGxD22:08
Texratdoes your laptop have 7.1 audio?  :P22:08
* MohammadAG looks at 2.022:08
Texratand a huge thumping subwoofer?  nooooooooo22:08
MohammadAGit has HDMI!!!!!!1111!!!22:08
Texratredeemed22:08
MohammadAGTexrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA!22:10
MohammadAG2 actually :P22:10
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GAN900I don't know how many times I've watched delivery drivers lie about attempting a delivery.22:11
pupnikreally\22:11
pupnikbad culture22:11
TexratI accidentally closed channel-- did someone ask me something?22:11
Texratpupnik!!!22:11
MohammadAGGAN900, less than I have :P22:11
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pupnikEvening texrat - nothing was said between your leaving and joining22:12
soltyssry ppm ;/22:12
TexratI saw an alert though22:12
pupnikThe bull next door is going kerbonkles all evening mooing as loud as it can22:13
GAN900One of these times I'm going to run yelling into the street.22:15
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> Texrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA!22:15
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> 2 actually :P22:15
pupniki found a way to wear a tablet that nobody else did22:17
DocScrutinizerGAN900: I usually sit on the street not letting cars pass by until they are identified and ripped off they carriage where due :-)22:17
pupnikspin a thinkpad tablet around so the screen is facing backwards.  loop a strap around the screen and wear it around, with a nice 12" screen jutting out of your chest22:17
pupnikit's the worst of geek fashion22:18
* DocScrutinizer shudders22:19
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GAN900So USPS only attempts delivery once, which means I have to pick it up at the central sorting center.22:22
GAN900Which, of course, isn't open any time I can reasonably get to it.22:23
pupnikwhat you waiting for GAN90022:23
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pupnikhahah WYSE amber terminals with the mini-displays in this 1991 'Cheers'22:23
GAN9007D22:24
DocScrutinizererr22:24
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pupnikwhat's 7D GAN90022:26
RST38hcanon 7d?22:26
Texratyay thanks to RevDkathy I have flight to MeeGo conference!!!!22:27
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Texratso you have all been warned22:27
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pupnikcongrats Texrat22:28
GAN900RST38h, yeah.22:29
GAN900Texrat, why Kathy?22:29
JaffaTexrat: No credit or debit card?22:29
GAN900Ah22:29
SpeedEvilCongrats rat!22:29
Texratman I owe the reverend Kathy22:30
Texratjaffa I have zero credit cards and we are beyond broke thanks to loss of my Nokia job22:30
Texratwe are actually backpedalling due to bills :(22:30
TexratGAN900 Kathy volunteered to help22:31
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pupnikhey i just thought of a new idea for video compression22:31
pupnikwhy not use facial recognition to ensure that faces get priority in the bitbucket22:31
* GAN900 needs to book his flight.22:33
Texratsounds reasonable pupnik22:34
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pupnikwaiting for someone to say 'that's been done already' Texrat :)22:35
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SpeedEvilpupnik: Solid modeling is in principle a much more general area.22:41
SpeedEvilPerceptual coding can be exploited as in audio.22:42
SpeedEvilThough you have to know about your audience. If all black people look the same to your viewer, they are really simple to code.22:42
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RST38hpupnik: I can give you an even better optimization idea :)22:48
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RST38hpupnik: drop image quality at the edges of a frame: most viewers concentrate at the frame center, so you can smear the edges a bit =)22:50
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SpeedEvilBut seriously - solid modeling is gonna be where the next gains come.22:53
SpeedEvilAnd human modeling. Virtual skeleton + muscles + texturemapped skin.22:53
SpeedEvilYou can code a human object fairly accurately - statically - with relatively few muscles.22:54
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RST38hwhy do you need to film real humans then?22:56
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RST38hdo it Final Fantasy style, in 3d, and most youngsters won't give a shit that it is "not real"22:57
SpeedEvilBecause I suspect human actors will be cheaper than coding all the muscle movements well.22:58
RST38honly for a short while, until the next great cpu hits the market22:58
SpeedEvilOf course, once you decouple the appearance of the humans from the output, the actor pool widens considerably.22:58
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intelinsiderjpinx-eeepc: and now? waiting :P23:02
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pupnikRST38h: mencoder has had the lower-rate at edges for a few years at least23:26
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user___I have problem using vim23:34
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intelinsider?23:35
keriouse notepad23:35
user___vim on ubuntu via ssh23:35
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user___kerio: what's that?23:35
user___what they did in 10.10, ugly bar appears in ssh23:36
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eranihttp://mobilernr.com/had-apple-announced-the-nokia-n8/23:38
user___I type :q it switchs to insert mode? anyone having issue or Im halucinating23:39
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ColdFyreeh23:42
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ColdFyrei don't think i'll be getting the n823:42
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keriothe n8 is a ridiculously great piece of hardware23:46
keriosadly, the software is crap23:46
kerionow, why didn't they use meego on it is beyond me23:46
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keriobut i guess they don't want to draw too much attention on THEIR NEW FLAGSHIP OS, right23:47
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ColdFyrei _need_ a hardware keyboard23:48
user___kerio: help23:48
pupnikme too ColdFyre23:51
pupnikpreferably a japanese built thinkpad23:51
ColdFyrethinkpad's are too hard to use on the freeway at 80mph23:51
kerioColdFyre: you better be joking23:52
ColdFyrehence me using my n900 in lieu of a thinkpad23:52
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ColdFyrehowever, i do have a touch screen i dash computer i made that i tether to my n900 so i can irc and drive23:53
ColdFyrein dash*23:53
RevdKathyGoodnight all23:53
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