IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-10-07

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DocScrutinizer51diaeresis on vkbd IS a composite char00:14
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DocScrutinizer51vkbd-¨ plus u is ü00:15
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JaffaDocScrutinizer51: All the third row are composed chars.00:19
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MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=835098#post83509800:20
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: can you do a tweaked version.00:22
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, shoot00:22
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: which when you open the shutter with the camera facing downward, simply calls flashlight.00:22
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SpeedEvilIf it is not facing downwards, it runs the original camera.00:23
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MohammadAGhmm, that'd be a bit tricky, and a nice thing to have im00:23
MohammadAGimo*00:23
MohammadAGafk for a bit though00:23
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smharI do not when or how it started, but I can not update or install anything in my N900, I always get this error: "Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogs unavailable."00:25
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smharwhat is the problem with freenode, I keep getting disconnected every two minutes?!!00:34
SpeedEvilsmhar: Works for me.00:34
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SpeedEvilAnd indeed all of the other 472 people here.00:34
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SpeedEvilPerhaps your problems are linked.00:35
SpeedEvilmight you have a proxy of some form, or a firewall in teh way that's getting in the way of outbound connections.00:35
smharstrange, whenever I post my message I get disconnected !00:35
SpeedEvilA long message?00:36
smharSpeedEvil, I was not, not sure if my ISP is using a new setup00:36
SpeedEvilPastebin it?00:36
smharNo, a short one:   (((I do not when or how it started, but I can not update or install anything in my N900, I always get this error: "Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogs unavailable.")))00:36
SpeedEvilummm...00:37
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SpeedEvilI think there is a details tab.00:37
SpeedEvilClick on it00:37
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triantaressmhar: try opening a terminal and "sudo apt-get update". That way you'll see which repo's are not responding.00:48
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dolpmmm.. why is el-v1.db created00:51
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yaccAny idea how to make x11vnc handle "symbols" that are available on the N900 keyboard only via "Sym"?00:53
yaccE.g. &00:53
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: sure, that's been an example00:57
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crashanddieif anyone speaks stupid, please translate, I have a hard time understanding: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=834512&postcount=3500:58
DocScrutinizerJaffa: I' m convinced man is a thinking species00:58
DocScrutinizerJaffa: if I give an example, everybody is able to extrapolate and find out about analogies00:59
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triantarescrashanddie: there's a dictionary....too bad it's empty. ;)01:00
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DocScrutinizer(<SpeedEvil> If it is not facing downwards,...) great!01:00
crashanddietriantares: I'm sorry?01:00
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triantarescrashanddie: I couldn't translate if it killed me . ;)01:02
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: (facing down) need help?01:02
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: actually should be fsckng simple01:03
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: just read out current gmeter values fromn sysfs when camera slider open trigger goes off01:04
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, in psudeo code, read accelerometer values from some file in /sys, if values = face down, do this, else, that01:05
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MohammadAG51now say that in C/C++ :P01:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: exactly01:05
MohammadAG51would be easy in python, but with 256MB ram...01:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: c'mon, I'll leave that to reader for exercise :-P01:05
DocScrutinizerthat's really C basics01:06
MohammadAG51lol01:06
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MohammadAG51I skipped the basics when i learned the syntax01:07
* MohammadAG51 looks at book01:07
MohammadAG51hello world01:08
MohammadAG5140 pages01:08
DocScrutinizerhandle=fopen(path_to_gmeter_sysfsnode, rw); buffer=read(handle); x=sprintf(buffer, somenice%3D)01:08
DocScrutinizer...01:08
DocScrutinizerI got nfc about C01:08
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DocScrutinizerlemme rephrase: I need to read K&R just like you need to do01:09
MohammadAG51why did i google fopen01:09
* MohammadAG51 uses man-db01:09
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DocScrutinizerman fopen01:10
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly01:10
MohammadAG51yeah01:10
MohammadAG51am i lagging?01:10
MohammadAG51xchat says there's 19s lag01:10
DocScrutinizerno, me01:10
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MohammadAG51oh01:11
DocScrutinizerbrain says there's "TOO MUCH" lag :-D01:11
luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: pretty sure your code = segfault01:11
* MohammadAG51 prepares corrupt image to reflash router01:11
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: I bet01:11
luke-jr_actually no, compile error01:11
MohammadAG51nice, a segfaulting example01:11
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: also you need proper error handling on failing fopen() etc01:12
MohammadAG51i got that from nokia once01:12
luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: any quotes around "rw"01:12
luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: and using fread, not read01:12
DocScrutinizerrw for sure is BS01:12
DocScrutinizeryes01:12
luke-jr_and not assigning a buffer to a return value01:12
luke-jr_and not using sprintf.01:12
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DocScrutinizertoldya it's completely nonsensical01:12
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luke-jr_sprintf is almost always wrong01:13
luke-jr_even when someone thinks it's right01:13
DocScrutinizerthough, what's wrong with sprintf to dissect a string like "21 443 991" ?01:13
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luke-jr_sprintf doesn't dissect strings.01:14
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe01:14
DocScrutinizerwas a shot from the hip, of a C senile01:14
luke-jr_scanf perhaps?01:14
SpeedEvilfor(x=0;x<10;x++){if(strcmp(sprintf...01:14
DocScrutinizerscanf sounds good, yes01:15
luke-jr_SpeedEvil: that's wrong for sure01:15
nox-fscanf01:15
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: they took the repository offline01:15
MohammadAG51i'm assuming this is the sysfile? /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord01:15
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: CCnile?01:15
luke-jr_strcmp expects a char* argument01:15
MohammadAG51crashanddie, good enough for me01:15
DocScrutinizersomeone mentioned atoi some days ago :-P01:15
luke-jr_*printf never return char*01:15
DocScrutinizernil-e01:16
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: yes01:16
DocScrutinizerehh? repo offline??01:16
Venemokerio: ping01:16
luke-jr_kerio: pin01:16
luke-jr_g01:16
keriohuh?01:16
keriopong01:17
luke-jr_Venemo: pong01:17
keriowtf did i do01:17
DocScrutinizerpingpong01:17
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: spanish dudes hosting ovi material and gpl-modified binaries without source code01:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: I know, it was not meant as sensible or even compilable code, but as a silly way to get sprintf to read strings. Sorta01:17
* luke-jr_ performs MITM on Venemo and kerio01:17
DocScrutinizerBURN IN HELL01:17
kerioFEAR NOT! FOR I HAVE SSH!01:17
Mousey>_>01:17
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luke-jr_*can he tell teh difference⁇?*01:18
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DocScrutinizerwho's going to tear down that NAND killer backup-menu??01:18
luke-jr_Venemo: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.301:18
keriono, really, what did i do01:18
MohammadAG51backupmenu is awesome, for stuff it wasn't made for01:18
kerioDocScrutinizer: why? we allow n900fly on extras01:19
MohammadAG51like preboot ssh, it rescued me from a reflash01:19
luke-jr_lol01:19
DocScrutinizerkerio: see QA guidelines01:19
kerioand at least you get to keep your warranty with backupmenu :)01:19
keriounlike n900fly01:19
luke-jr_what's it do?01:19
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kerio"it's a software issue! it told me to throw the n900 as high as i could"01:20
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: backup? writes to NAND raw ifaik01:20
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luke-jr_so?01:20
Venemokerio: thanks for sharing with me eztv. :) this is all I wanted to say01:20
MohammadAG51luke-jr_, oh nothing much01:20
MohammadAG51let's just say it almost bricked my N900 permanently01:21
luke-jr_fun.01:21
DocScrutinizerNAND has arbitrary bad blocks, writing raw is like dodging bird shot01:21
kerioOMG CALL THE **AA01:21
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kerio*shit01:21
MohammadAG51i had to boot a modified kernel to boot from the microSD, then ran from ubuntu cat /dev/zero to /dev/mtd5 then used flash_erase01:21
MohammadAG51then used flasher 6 times, till it worked01:21
Venemolol01:22
MohammadAG51what's the proc file for bad mtd blocks again?01:22
DocScrutinizerso again:01:22
DocScrutinizerwho's going to tear down that NAND killer backup-menu??01:22
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MohammadAG51till someone provides a preboot ssh alternative01:22
DocScrutinizertbh I don't really get it why it's so nasty. But it seems you can brick (SIC!) your N900 with it easily01:24
DocScrutinizeryou'd think NOLO should know how to reformat a NAND and reflash a proper rootfs01:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: flash_erase probably is one of the tools that knows how to deal with and mark bad blocks in NAND01:25
luke-jr_01:26
luke-jr_NOLO is part of NAND01:26
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: ???01:26
luke-jr_if it erases NAND, then it erases NOLO01:26
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: yes, we all know01:26
luke-jr_and AFAIK, all badblock management is done by the ubi driver01:26
DocScrutinizeryes01:26
MohammadAG51i used it on mtd501:26
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DocScrutinizerthough prolly not initial bb-markup on formatting01:27
MohammadAG51which is the rootfs01:27
lcukMohammadAG51, since pr1.1 theres a boot time hole on all devices01:27
DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: if you hose the mtd which holds NOLO you got a different class of problem01:27
MohammadAG51lcuk, yep, I know01:28
DocScrutinizerwtf is a boottime hole?01:28
lcukisnt that the cleanest place to hook a rescue script to?01:28
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: bootmenu? sure01:29
lcukDocScrutinizer, a script stored on / is run on bootup if it exists and the keyboard is open01:29
MohammadAG51true, but when dsme kills a device i can't hook a rescue script :)01:29
lcukmost people get into a boot loop01:29
DocScrutinizeryes, but it MUST NOT write to mtd raw physical device01:29
DocScrutinizer~211901:29
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.01:29
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: unlike mmc the mtd NAND raw devices have no layer between system and bad blocks on silicon01:31
DocScrutinizerubifs is dealing with that01:32
DocScrutinizerthat's why writing raw to mtd fails usually01:32
DocScrutinizerit writes bad block marks to perfectly good blocks, and tries to use bad blocks like they were ok01:32
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DocScrutinizerresult: borked rootfs01:33
lcukDocScrutinizer, the issue you are mentioning isn't normally an issue but the rescue script principle itself has been highlighted forever01:33
lcukisnt the mtd normally only written by flashing tool?01:34
DocScrutinizersorry? please rephrase01:34
lcukwith its checksums and stuff?01:34
MohammadAG51lcuk, backupmenu used dd01:34
DocScrutinizerto mtd aiui01:34
DocScrutinizer/dev/mtd? to be precise01:35
DocScrutinizerwhich sends ubifs out of the door01:35
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lcukdestructive confirmed high risk system halting app on -devel?01:36
DocScrutinizeryes01:36
DocScrutinizerbricking app even01:37
lcukand you don't just mean modern bricking I gather?01:37
MohammadAG51/dev/mtd501:37
DocScrutinizerand I know how to use "brick"01:37
MohammadAG51writing to /dev/mtd would brick01:37
MohammadAG51writing to mtd5 would semibrick01:37
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MohammadAG51you just have to use awesome timing and flashing skills :p01:38
DocScrutinizerstill I dunno why NOLO, on flashing rootfs, doesn't succeed to just fix the shit01:38
DocScrutinizerbut obviously it doesn't, at least not that easily01:38
DocScrutinizeranyway dd if=foo of=/dev/mtd5 is a *BAD* thing, and I'm asking again:01:39
DocScrutinizerwho's going to tear down that NAND killer backup-menu??01:40
MohammadAG51nobody01:41
MohammadAG51:P01:41
lcukDocScrutinizer, send a mail to X-Fade and the council, let it be discussed properly.01:41
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I never used backup-menu and I'm not temped to do in near future, so all I can contribute is mere handwaving01:42
lcuk:) sometimes hand waving is all thats needed.01:43
DocScrutinizerwell, this here is as much handwaving as you'll see from my side01:44
DocScrutinizerobviously there are guys in better position to kick off this thing proper01:45
lcuk<DocScrutinizer> and I know how to use "brick"01:45
DocScrutinizerlcuk:  <DocScrutinizer> still I dunno why NOLO, on flashing rootfs, doesn't succeed to just fix the shit01:46
lcukffs, Jaffa if you read this in the morning, please review scrollback01:46
lcukor X-Fade or any other council peeps01:47
lcukcan you see if there is reason to temporarily revoke this app from repository incase of a coding bug.01:47
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lcukDocScrutinizer believes its enough of a worry that it may brick brick devices01:48
MohammadAG51night01:49
DocScrutinizernigght moh01:49
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: I've never looked into backup-menu app, and all my statements here are based on other factoids reported by MohammadAG51 nad others. I'm not feeling like doing a deep inspection if moh's "dd of=/dev/mtd5" is correct (and fatal), nor if any of the other assumptions is according to hard facts01:53
DocScrutinizerbut if it rally is doing a dd to raw physical NAND, then there's obviously an issue as NAND has bad blocks that are dealt with in ubifs01:54
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ShadowJKwriting to /dev/mtd* like it's a block device is just pure lunacy :/02:04
keriohmm... what if you just *read* from it?02:04
ShadowJKthat might work02:05
ShadowJK"work"02:05
ShadowJKbut it's not a block device, normal block device semantics don't apply02:05
keriowould an hypotetical dd if=/dev/mtd of=file; dd if=file of=/dev/mtd work?02:05
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ShadowJKI wouldn't trust it02:05
DocScrutinizernot always02:05
kerioon the same /dev/mtd of course02:05
ShadowJKThe writing might just be a bitwise AND operation02:06
DocScrutinizerit fails as soon as you change device, or your NAND earns a new bad block02:06
ShadowJKbecause the kernel probably doesn't erase stuff for you, normal block device semantics don't apply02:06
DocScrutinizeryes, that too02:06
ShadowJKThere's a kernel module for when you want to treat it as a block device, or when you want to emulate mtd on a block device02:07
DocScrutinizeryou need to earse first. That's all ubifs domain02:07
ShadowJKBut whether using the block device emulation to do read/write actually results in the same data on the raw mtd is another question..02:07
kerioubifs <302:07
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DocScrutinizerFFS, writing dd to /dev/mtd is as *WRONG* as it can get, anyway02:08
ShadowJKubifs also keeps track of erased/partially erased/not erased blocks, and if you write to every one of them in a "restore" operation, they all become non-erased behind ubifs' back02:08
DocScrutinizerand if that's what backup-menu does, then we need to tear it down02:08
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: true, but irrelevant in our case, as backup-menu is supposed to restore a whole rootfs prior to mandatory reboot02:09
DocScrutinizeraiui02:10
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luke-jr_isn't an erased block just one with all 1s?02:10
DocScrutinizeror 0's02:11
ShadowJKyou just dd'd crap to the entire device, even if you've done a read-image write-iamge cycle without anything in between, you've actually changed the state of the device as tracked by the filesystem inside the image02:11
DocScrutinizerdepending on silicon technology02:11
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yes02:11
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* luke-jr_ wonders if there's any NAND counter app that just uses a single NAND block to efficiently count a number02:12
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luke-jr_eg, counting 11111111, 11111110, 11111100, 11111000, etc02:12
asjwtf is a "single NAND block" you can have a single gate, you can have an fpga cell, but what's a block? and if you mean an fpga cell who's and which version and are you sure it's nand?02:19
asj(and you can't store 8 bits in "a" anything, much less a 7400 ic...)02:20
SpeedEvilThe individual bits are implemented as a NAND gate.02:21
SpeedEvilHowever, you can only erase ~128K at once02:21
SpeedEviland write only ones.02:22
asjlol I should have read more than what luke-jr said02:22
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_flash02:22
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: you can flash 00000001, 00000011, 00000111..., as - like SpeedEvil says - you erase to zero, not to one, afaik02:32
DocScrutinizerin a much larger scale that's what NAND write optimization does (as found in ubifs)02:32
DocScrutinizerit's just not erasing a whole 128k block for each 512 byte sector write, but remembers which 'sectors' are 'erased' so can be written safely02:33
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DocScrutinizerok, confirmed by 2 other guys who know a bit about that: you *can not* flash a raw image to NAND with dd. You need to erase the whole section you want to write before dd, and if there's any new bad block or the image was from completely different NAND hw chip, then you'll fail as well03:05
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DocScrutinizer<roh> ubifs does sw bb handling03:09
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass04:40
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ebzzryHi! What is the default size (in pixels) of the icons in the desktop of Fremantle?06:53
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johnxif no one else has an idea , I think they're in /usr/share/icons/06:55
ebzzryjohnx: OK06:55
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ebzzryjohnx: That, I think, doesn't answer the question since there are icons of multitude of sizes in that directory.06:56
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johnxhmm, I guess I was thinking you could view the icon on the device and see if it's the same size as the icons you're interested in06:57
ebzzryjohnx: OK.06:58
ebzzryNevertheless, I think it's 65px06:58
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johnxmy guess would be 64px or 48px06:58
johnx65px just seems a bit "weird" somehow06:58
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ebzzryHmm. Anyway, what is the "proper" or community-advised way of opening URLs on the command line?07:02
ebzzryOpen in the sense that it would load the default web browser07:03
johnxmy bet would be dbus send07:04
ebzzryIs it documented somewhere? Are you referring to the one at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control07:05
johnxthat looks like a good reference :)07:06
pupnikso nice their terminal app launches urls now07:07
johnxif we had xdg-open like on a linux desktop, I think you might be able to use that, but since we don't have it the right answer is probably dbus-send07:07
johnxthat gives people who want a different browser a chance to intercept it with browser-switchboard (or whatever it's called) and run their own browser when you send that dbus message07:07
johnxanyways, taking an early night07:08
johnx'night all07:08
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deltHello07:46
deltn810: successfully using the internal 2GB flash as root partition!! (and the 256mb as backup)07:46
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deltthanks to pb/pbeasy scripts by uh... pb =)07:50
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slonopotamusso... do we have working howto for uboot on n8x0?07:58
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deltslonopotamus: you're extinct since the cretaceous period. You're almost as obsolete as the N77008:00
slonopotamus...08:01
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deltuh.... hello bye welcomeback08:02
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slonopotamusswc|666: if we were on ##c, you would've been already autobanned for join flood.08:03
* swc|666 shrugs08:03
deltquestions abot the boot loader: grey screen, black (pixelized) text BOOT MENU ... this is "nolo" right?08:03
delts/abot/about/08:03
infobotdelt meant: questions about the boot loader: grey screen, black (pixelized) text BOOT MENU ... this is "nolo" right?08:03
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deltas in "nokia loader"?08:04
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slonopotamuswash your screen, that aint grey, it's white08:06
deltjust before saying "BOOT MENU" it flashes something about holding the "menu" key for advanced boot menu. The menu key is the thick line with a bunch of thin, shorter lines below it, right?08:06
delt4 shorter and thinner lines to be more exact08:07
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slonopotamus_delt: like this? http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/images/dualbootmenuonN800-small.jpg08:08
slonopotamus_it is (surprise!) bootmenu08:08
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deltsomething like that, yes, but with different boot partition names... + at the bottom (under Press UP/DOWN) it also says: "Press HOME key for USB network recovery mode" (even when usb is not connected)08:10
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slonopotamusthat's bootmenu (shell hackish thing installable to initfs that allows to choose what partition to boot from + some nice features)08:12
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deltah ok. thanks for that info =)08:14
deltbtw sorry about the obsolete/dinosaur thing, was jk08:14
slonopotamusdelt: np. living since cretaceous period allowed learning lots of stuff08:16
deltokie, so now that i have this boot menu, my first question (apart from holding menu key does nothing) .... how do i put the N810 in "USB mode" (which was previously done with holding the "home" key (2 overlapping squares on the n810) during boot08:16
delthehe =) wisdom in person08:17
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deltoh, s/during boot/during boot with the USB cord plugged/08:17
deltuh.....08:17
delts/during boot/during boot with the USB cord plugged/08:17
deltyou/get/the/idea/08:18
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slonopotamusthat "hold menu thing" is needed because you could setup the thing to automatically boot from some partition _without_ showing boot choices _unless_ some activity from you (holding menu key)08:20
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deltoh, aforementioned "home key" thing puts up a telnet server with fixed address 192.168.10.1 ...... i'm looking for the normal "usb mode" with the nokia logo and the blue USB logo in the upper right corner08:20
luke-jr_that's not a mode08:21
luke-jr_it's the bootloader08:21
slonopotamusthink of it as of ubuntu's grub "press ESC to choose boot options, otherwise i'll start booting default thing ib 3 seconds"08:21
slonopotamuss/ ib / in /08:21
deltslonopotamus: that was my other question =) how do i change the delay before it auto-selects which partition to boot?08:21
infobotslonopotamus meant: think of it as of ubuntu's grub "press ESC to choose boot options, otherwise i'll start booting default thing in 3 seconds"08:21
delt.... or turns off, which i noticed it does after a few minutes, which is cool so it won't hang there until the screen is burned08:22
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deltre08:22
deltdid you get: 01:23 < delt> .... or turns off, which i noticed it does after a few minutes, which is cool so it won't hang there until the screen is burned08:22
slonopotamusmeh, network issues08:22
slonopotamusthat "hold menu thing" is needed because you could setup the thing to automatically boot from some partition _without_ showing boot choices _unless_ some activity from you (holding menu key)08:23
slonopotamusthink of it as of ubuntu's grub "press ESC to choose boot options, otherwise i'll start booting default thing in 3 seconds"08:23
deltah, that was the last 2 lines you wrote before getting flushed =)08:23
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deltpersonally im more familiar with lilo08:23
deltthan grub...08:23
slonopotamusstrange08:23
slonopotamusand "usb mode"... actually i have no idea wtf it is :)08:23
deltso, shift or ctrl in lilo when the delay is set to zero, right?08:23
luke-jr_LILO has been obsolete for years08:25
luke-jr_:p08:25
slonopotamusor windoze F808:25
deltbefore changing boot stuff, connecting to the PC's usb port and holding "home" (2 squares in diagonal) would show the white screen w/ a blue nokia logo and a blue-grayish usb icon on the top right corner08:25
delts/"home"/"home" while turning on the n810/08:26
infobotdelt meant: before changing boot stuff, connecting to the PC's usb port and holding "home" while turning on the n810 (2 squares in diagonal) would show the white screen w/ a blue nokia logo and a blue-grayish usb icon on the top right corner08:26
deltthanks, bot08:26
slonopotamusdelt: _maybe_ that launches usb recovery mode (usb networking is set up on tablet and ssh damon is started so you can connect from pc and do some hackery if you broke os boot)08:27
deltor, any other way to access the 2GB internal flash over usb?08:27
deltslonopotamus: telnet here, but i read some versions/impl/options/whatever have a ssh server...08:28
deltand yeah, puts itself in usb-network with address 192.168.10.108:28
delttcp/usb/ip heh.08:28
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deltluke-jr_: so lilo no longer works with my mobo and hdd partitions? =) (i don't remember buying that stuff from microsoft)08:30
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luke-jr_delt: shrug08:30
luke-jr_that's like asking if DOS runs on them08:30
luke-jr_it might, but that doesn't make it any less obsolete08:30
slonopotamusor telnet. doesn't matter, some remote access thingie08:30
deltlilo works fine for me, just like it has for the past 15 years or so08:31
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deltslonopotamus: yeah.... the other week my n810 was bricked, had to reflash it (kept rebooting at the white nokia screen)08:32
deltonly thing i could do is plug the USB and press "home" (2 squares overlapping in diagonal)... that made at least the internal 2gb accessible as usb storage device08:33
delts/is/was/08:33
infobotdelt meant: only thing i could do was plug the USB and press "home" (2 squares overlapping in diagonal)... that made at least the internal 2gb accessible as usb storage device08:33
deltthanks again, smart bot -)08:34
slonopotamususb network recovery is intended for cases when you know what exactly broke and can fix it but need access to rootfs contents for that08:34
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deltslonopotamus: ie. the thing where i press home on the BOOT MENU, that starts up a telnet server?08:35
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slonopotamusyou just said yourself that it starts up usb network08:36
slonopotamusno point starting usb network if nothing is listening :P08:36
deltyes, tcp/ip over some weird "usb network" thing... then starts a telnet (or apparently ssh) server over that08:37
delti just want the 2GB internal flash to be accessible to the PC as a storage device.08:37
slonopotamusit's just "tcp/ip over usb"08:37
slonopotamusafaik, undoable while os is running because it can't unmount it08:38
deltwith the unmodified boot sequence, this was done simply by holding "home" and turning on the n810, while plugged to usb08:38
deltwhite screen with a blue nokia logo, and blue usb thing in the upper right corner.08:39
delti know (or strongly suspect) that functionality is independent of whatever content of whatever flash/memory/whatever, internal or not08:39
luke-jr_"weird" usb network?08:39
slonopotamusjust setup sshd/samba/whatever in maemo and access _any_ partition over network08:40
deltluke-jr_: see slonopotamus's reply =)08:40
luke-jr_delt: my point is that it's pretty standard08:40
slonopotamusdelt: you said "weird", not me08:41
deltah. havent been keeping up lately08:41
luke-jr_delt: it's been standard for about 6+ years now08:41
deltindeed i did.... and by "lately" well.... thats relative :/ (health issues)08:41
slonopotamus:/08:42
slonopotamustime travel troubles?08:43
deltjust the other day a very good friend of mine told someone (about me) "this guy's a computer expert" or something.... i heard it and said "yeah, i was 10-15 years ago"08:43
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slonopotamus_slonopotamus: ...08:46
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deltso, back to topic.... you know what i mean by "normal usb mode", ie. white "nokia" screen, blue USB logo in the upper right corner?08:46
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slonopotamuslet's assume yes :)08:47
luke-jr_I think so08:47
luke-jr_AFAIK the only way to make that remain is flasher08:47
deltand internal 2gb showing up over USB as a storage device08:47
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slonopotamusagreed08:48
luke-jr_possible, but I doubt anyone has noticed it08:48
deltheh i did =)08:48
delti luv my little logger thing at the bottom of the screen :D08:49
luke-jr_I've noticed lately that my N900 has at times shown up as Mass Storage even though I never tell it to08:49
luke-jr_might be during boot08:49
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deltok.... next possibility is to boot from the 256MB jffs2, which would normally let the 2GB memory (and all partitions on it) show up over USB?08:55
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Pillumhey08:55
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Pillumwhats up with talk.maemo.org?08:56
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luke-jr_Pillum: outrage ensued so Nokia shut it down permanently08:57
luke-jr_the rest of maemo.org to follow since Maemo is dead08:57
luke-jr_(no, not really)08:57
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Pillum:/08:58
Pillumsomeone got a link to the latest EFF script?08:59
luke-jr_Pillum: general practice here it to read TMO once a month08:59
deltright now, just booted from the 256MB jffs2, nothing on the n810 accessing any partition on the internal 2GB flash. i should normally be able to access it over USB?08:59
luke-jr_delt: srsly, just buy a cheap USB drive…09:00
deltuh.... what for?09:00
luke-jr_sounds like that's what you want09:01
deltumm no, i want to be able to access this linux (ext2) partition from the PC and fix it if some shit like 2 weeks ago ever happens again09:01
delts/ext2/ext3/09:02
infobotdelt meant: umm no, i want to be able to access this linux (ext3) partition from the PC and fix it if some shit like 2 weeks ago ever happens again09:02
deltsorry09:02
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luke-jr_delt: so use flasher to lock the NOLO USB mode09:03
deltlock...?09:04
luke-jr_yeah, unless you specify -b it leaves it in USB mode09:04
luke-jr_so just do --get-rd-flags or smth09:04
deltyeah, i suspect bootmenu must pass some commandline args to the kernel (root=/dev/blah....?)09:05
luke-jr_09:06
luke-jr_no09:06
luke-jr_kernel runs bootmenu. not the other way.09:06
luke-jr_bootmenu is just a bash script09:06
luke-jr_the NOKIA logo and stuff before bootmenu is the real bootloader09:06
luke-jr_but it's closed source and irreplacable09:07
deltie. "nolo"?09:07
luke-jr_yes09:07
deltso, "bootmenu.sh" is somewhere on the root filesystem or on an initrd image, then?09:08
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luke-jr_N8x0 has an initrd partition09:08
luke-jr_N900 just has it in the rootfs09:08
deltthe 256mb one?09:08
luke-jr_the 256 MB NAND has many partitions09:08
deltok.... the main one (largest) being what is normally the rootfs09:09
luke-jr_right09:09
luke-jr_initfs is another one09:09
deltah ok....09:09
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deltso normally there is NO way to mount these as USB storage from a PC right?09:10
luke-jr_nope, they're not block devices09:10
luke-jr_USB storage is for block devices09:10
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luke-jr_for contrast:09:11
deltok..... so, when you boot with the 255.9999mb jffs partition as root, the 2gb internal chip is normally accessible through usb right?09:11
luke-jr_block dev = read, write; bad block = defective09:11
luke-jr_mtd dev = read, erase, write; bad block = normal09:12
luke-jr_no idea.09:12
luke-jr_haven't used Maemo on N8x0 in ages09:12
deltok.... last question: how do i change the delay bootmenu waits before booting its default partition?09:13
Pillumsomeone got a link to the latest EFF script?09:13
deltim pretty sure i selected "1 second" in pb/pbeasy scripts, but now it just stays there for several minutes09:14
delt(if i dont touch anything)09:14
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deltyou mentioned the kernel runs this.... someone told me that before on this channel, which i didn't (and still don't) understand......09:15
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deltso if / isn't mounted yet (we are choosing WHAT to use as / ).....09:15
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rmrfchikahaha.. just read (in russian) "while nokia developed n8, samsung anounces galaxy, sold 5'000'000 units and abandoned it09:17
rmrfchik"09:17
rmrfchik;)09:17
meceare they unhappy about the lack of 2.2?09:17
TheJhi. is talk.maemo.org down? i cant seem to connect..09:18
xkr47heh09:18
Pillumyay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDAIUyVP7g09:18
PillumTheJ:  it seems so, was looking for it too :/09:18
TheJok. thanks :) so it wasnt just me :)09:19
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luke-jr_delt: initfs is of course / until a real rootfs is chosen09:22
deltluke-jr_: ok, makes sense (so far) :309:27
delttired need sleep09:27
deltbe back sometime tomorrow09:27
deltonce again, thanks for all the help & useful info everyone09:27
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crashanddietmo down?10:22
CreamyGyes10:22
crashanddieyipee10:22
CreamyGyeah, just saved you 20 minutes10:22
crashanddie20 minutes? MY WHOLE LIFE YOU MEAN! I am freeeeeeeeeee, FREEEEEEEEEEEE I TELL YOU10:23
CreamyGhaha there's like a million other things to waste my time on10:23
CreamyGstupid internet10:23
opdf2TheJ:  yes cant reached either10:24
Pillumtalk.maemo.org is online again......10:25
CreamyGWHAT10:25
Pillum.......NOT10:25
CreamyGnooooooooooooooooooooooooo10:25
PillumxD10:25
CreamyGi refuse to test10:25
crashanddieCreamyG, you don't have to: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/10:26
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CreamyGno i refuse to go there if its working10:26
CreamyGits like 1:30am10:26
Pillumlol :D10:26
CreamyGand i gotta work at 9am10:26
CreamyGso....10:26
Pillumbut why isnt it online=10:27
Pillum?10:27
Pillumthere was no warning or something like that10:27
CreamyGno idea, probably malfunction10:27
Pillummaybe  nokia had no money to pay the server :/10:27
crashanddieYeah right10:28
crashanddieyou do realise that most big companies run on massive credit lines, yeah?10:28
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CreamyGyeah big companies don't need money10:29
CreamyGjust like the government10:29
TermanaN900You do realise Nokia is worth more than you'll ever earn as well right?10:29
TermanaN900You'll go bankrupt before Nokia10:29
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CreamyGhmmm i dunno, with the right patents, i could be worth more10:29
Pillumman you wouldnt recognise irony even if it would holding a sign reading "I am irony"10:30
Pillum:/10:30
Pillumy'all suck10:30
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TermanaN900I have been called much worse things than being told I suck, so.10:31
PillumTermanaN900: where are u from?10:32
crashanddieTermanaN900, how terribly insulting, maybe I make $1790410 every day!10:32
RST38hHeya derf, all10:32
crashanddieTermanaN900, which, after 60 years, would make my net earnings around the same as Nokia's income.10:32
crashanddieerr, s/income/worth/10:32
TermanaN900crashanddie, lol10:33
TermanaN900morning RST38h10:33
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CreamyGwell i'm going to bed, gnight :P10:36
Pillumgnight sweety10:36
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achipawhy isn't the topic "yes, talk is dead, don't ask" ?10:44
RST38hbecause nobody cares?10:45
achipatouche10:45
ieatlintomg, talk is dead10:45
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tybolltOMG OMG OMG where can we troll now? :'(10:51
Stskeepswhy is it dead?10:52
Stskeeps:P10:52
tybolltStskeeps: the evil meego (hello!) people shut it down?10:52
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Stskeepstybollt: i'm not evil :(10:53
tybolltwhich btw _is_ an interesting topic - seeing as things are what they are how long will nokia support maemo community? At some point they'll go all in Meego - right?10:53
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Stskeepsforum.meego.com is down too, fwiw10:54
tybolltheh ok.10:54
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tybolltStskeeps: suppose you don't care to make a prediction, then?10:54
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Stskeepstybollt: there's some chatter somewhere about the topic10:54
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JaffaMorning, all10:55
kerionokia releases binary blobs for meego on n900, we all move to meego10:55
kerio"community edition"10:55
Sceltkerio: url?10:55
kerioit was just a hunch10:55
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Scelt:(10:55
Sceltno hunches here, only pure facts10:55
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Stskeepskerio: we did already10:56
tybolltto some extent - meego may not be all binary blawbs10:56
tybolltthat's what gpl is for10:56
kerioi'm not talking about harmattan + meegohandset10:56
kerioi'm talking meego10:56
kerioand all that rpm shit10:56
tybolltkerio: ? There will be a harmattan?10:56
tybolltwasn't that going to be essentially meego? Man I'm outdated...10:57
keriothere will be a harmattan, it'll probably have the meego ui10:58
keriobut it will be maemo, internally10:59
kerio~messybox10:59
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils10:59
ieatlinti'm somehow expecting nokia to actually make a real (ie forceful) push for the maemo community to integrate into meego, and expecting a lot of sore feelings out of it11:02
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keriois meego better than maemo, except for rpm?11:03
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ieatlintfrom what i've seen, i'd say that it can be better11:03
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keriodoes it use pulseaudio?11:04
ieatlintthe libmeegotouch solves a lot of bs, the UI itself seems more polished, and with an actual standard to guarantee what libs be present on the system, it's going to be better in theory11:05
ieatlintyeah, pulseaudio is still there :(11:05
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ieatlintbut then, what can it be realistically replaced with?11:05
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ieatlinti've had the misfortune of dealing with the pulseaudio api, and i know exactly how ugly it is.. but it does get the job done with the least system resources11:06
kerioleast system resources?11:06
keriowtf am i reading11:06
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ieatlintversus other servers? unless you wanted to just run alsa with dmix :P11:06
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flexxxvhy, talk.maemo.org down?11:07
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ieatlintflexxxv: yes, and there's nothing but rumour as to why11:08
flexxxvok thx. Just wanted to find out how to use wpa2 enterprise...11:09
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crashanddieTalk is up again11:18
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maybeWTFbut for how long!11:21
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ieatlinti get a db error when i load it11:26
ieatlint"MySQL Error   : Error writing file '/tmp/MYMjJjGj' (Errcode: 28)"11:26
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ieatlinthaha, that means it's out of disk space11:28
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mece"Bondage Stories is now following you on Twitter!" <- I'm doing something right :D11:49
crashanddie~grab mece11:50
crashanddieCrap, infobot, you need some features enhancements11:50
mecehahaha11:50
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jacekowskiis there mono on n900?12:28
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SpeedEvilthe mic is mono.12:34
T-Co:D12:34
T-CoI'm sure there is no mono on N900, but there might be mono for N900.12:35
T-Co(except for the mic)12:35
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ieatlintcan mono even be compiled on arm?12:43
jacekowskiyep12:43
jacekowskithere is mono for n81012:43
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jacekowskibut no info about n90012:44
ieatlinthuh, interesting12:44
ieatlintwell, it's not standard i'm sure12:44
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jacekowskihttp://www.mono-project.com/Maemo12:44
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ieatlintheh, i get a 403 when i try to hit the referenced http://go-mono.com/maemo/ url12:45
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jacekowskidirectory listing is probably forbidden12:46
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ieatlintah, indeed12:48
ieatlintwell, there is no fremantle dir just the same12:48
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ieatlintmight be a deb floating around, or there are instructions there on how to compile12:49
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RST38hthp: Around?13:10
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thpRST38h: indeed13:14
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CarnequeHey all, can I write and compile C programs on N900?13:15
fluxI guess in principle you could install the same tools used in scratchbox to N900?13:16
SpeedEvilI have gcc on mine13:18
SpeedEvilthough in a chroot13:18
SpeedEvilIt can be installed on / - but that uses most of the free space13:18
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Carnequeah okay, thats another question, why is the application space so limited compared to the overall space?13:19
SpeedEvilbecause the root device is 256M - this is one limit13:19
SpeedEvilthe other limit is due to the fact that the main part of the space must be VFAT to enable it to plug into things13:20
SpeedEvilFrom a consumer POV anyway13:20
Carnequeso it's a power specification thing13:20
SpeedEvil?13:20
SpeedEvilno - nothing to do with power13:20
CarnequeVFAT to plug into things13:20
Carnequeplug into power things?13:21
SpeedEvilno13:21
Carnequeoh13:21
SpeedEvilprinters to read and print photos, windows computers to drag on/off files13:21
SpeedEvil...13:21
Carnequeoh the usb thing13:21
Carnequeokay cool13:21
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TermanaDesirePlease don't write nor compile C code if you don't understand what SpeedEvil is talking about13:23
Carnequeif you mean on the N900 you're protecting me from screwing things up, if you're talking about in general you're being not nice13:26
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jacekowskiso?13:26
Carnequeso thanks or no thanks?13:26
jacekowskiyou have no idea what are we talking about13:26
jacekowskiand you want to write programs13:26
Carnequeand what were you talking about?13:26
Carnequethe only think I read you say was so13:27
Carnequegoodbye13:27
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Myrttiragequits </313:27
jacekowskiand don't come back13:27
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TermanaDesire:p13:28
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Pillumu bad people :/13:32
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TermanaDesire2 down a whole forum to go13:32
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TermanaDesireBesides I did say please13:36
TermanaDesire:p13:36
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tybolltMyrtti: you emoquit!13:48
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sivangre all13:48
tybollthmm13:49
tybolltis operators blockign SIP common practice?13:50
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sivangtybollt: some of them do, I heard13:52
Robot101tybollt: vodafone in the uk do13:53
jpinx-eeepctybollt: different providers block different things, here I can only use http and the phone13:56
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ieatlintthat's unfortunate13:58
ieatlintmy provider doesn't block it, but somehow i'll bet money they forbid it in their terms of service13:59
jpinx-eeepcieatlint: I can do irc in feeenode on 8000 sometimes ;)13:59
ieatlintcan you do 22?14:00
cehtehjust change provider if they dont provide the service you need14:00
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ieatlintheh, not always an option14:00
jpinx-eeepcieatlint: nope14:00
jpinx-eeepcno-one else here with coverage14:00
ieatlintjpinx-eeepc: that's pretty shitty14:00
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jpinx-eeepccehteh: check my whois...14:01
ieatlintyeah, here i have my choice between just two carriers, and one of the two has an incompatible 3g network... so i have 1 choice if i want 3g14:01
jpinx-eeepcI gave up with 3g - it's just gprs here14:02
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ieatlintedge i hope14:02
ieatlintgprs is too painful...14:02
jpinx-eeepcI can possibly get 3g in the capitol, but not around the country14:02
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ieatlintmy carrier claims there is 3g roaming there on "true move", but isn't clear on its map where it's 2g and where it's 3g14:06
alteregoHope PR1.3 comes with Qt Mobility 1.114:07
RST38hthp: Sorry for delay, got an idea14:08
RST38hthp: As you are hackinghildon-desktop anyway, would you consider adding launcher icons rotation by 90 degrees when in portrait orientation?14:08
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RST38hthp: (notice that it is not the full portrait mode, just rotated icons)14:09
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RST38hAnd there is a clear spot in the source code where this can be added14:09
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tybollthow do you guys solve the OTA contacts sync problem w/ your N900?14:13
maybeWTFby not having any contacts14:14
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alteregotybollt: what issue?14:14
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alteregotybollt: got a link to a bug or something14:16
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bigbrovarhi guys, anyone having issues login to yahoo IM via conversation with the telepathy haze plugin?14:20
bigbrovaron the N900 of cause :p14:21
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alteregoMight write a share via ssh service plugin, would be cool for uploading to webspace etc.14:24
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ieatlintalterego: i've heard others ask for a script based plugin for that ... for instance, you just have it execute a user-defined script with the files being the arguments14:26
ieatlintan scp script would be an easy feat, and the plugin could be more versatile .. just an idea :P14:27
ieatlintor i could finally get off my ass and implement that myself, heh14:27
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alteregoYeah, not a bad idea, might be even better to write a python based sharing plugin api14:28
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alteregoMore flexible and you can have full access to progress etc.14:29
ieatlintnot a bad idea14:29
alteregoWould be a nice sunday project14:30
ieatlintif you could find a way to work in a password prompt, it'd be even cooler14:30
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ieatlintmight be able to throw up a modal dialogue without completely changing focus14:30
ieatlinthrm, i'm suddenly getting a rush of ideas, perhaps i should get off my ass and try to do something like this14:31
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vkvrajuhi all,14:39
vkvrajuanyone from France here?14:39
vkvrajuneed some local related info14:39
vkvrajucan someone help me in that14:40
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vkvrajuKhertan was the one from France here and now he isn't logged in14:41
vkvraju~seen Khertan14:41
infobotkhertan <507da5b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.125.165.181> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 18h 27m 38s ago, saying: 'RST38h, but yes it s possible has we have many electricals problem on the electrical network many out of power every day. And when i start electrical device i can see light blinking'.14:41
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mece1vkvraju, crashanddie is french I believe.14:53
vkvrajuOh ok, Thanks mecel14:54
vkvrajubut looks like he is inactive now14:54
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vkvraju~seen crashanddie14:54
infobotcrashanddie is currently on #maemo (4h 58m 37s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 3h 4m 2s, last said: 'Crap, infobot, you need some features enhancements'.14:54
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alteregoAll time low for tracker, seems to have indexed some images in my browser cache ..14:57
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timeless_mbpalterego: nice14:57
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thpRST38h: so just rotating each icon by 90 degrees, keeping their position?15:04
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RST38hthp: yep15:05
RST38hthp: it is basically one clutter call in the right place15:05
n900-spacehi rooomies15:05
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alteregoRST38h: neat15:06
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timeless_xchathrm15:55
timeless_xchat"software updaed" or "update complete"?15:55
timeless_xchats/ae/ate/15:55
infobottimeless_xchat meant: "software updated" or "update complete"?15:55
keriois the update complete?15:56
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timeless_xchatprobably15:57
keriothe user may find upgrades for things that he wouldn't immediately recognize as software15:57
merlin1991overkill software successfully updated! ;)15:57
timeless_xchatkerio : yeah15:57
kerio"update completed" tells the user that *something* has been updated15:57
timeless_xchatthat's why i'm considering switching15:57
timeless_xchatsince you understand, i think i will15:57
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keriobonus points if you use a voice synthesizer to read it to the user15:58
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timeless_xchat...15:58
kerioin a really robotic voice15:58
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timeless_xchatthis is ham15:58
keriogood point, it's already bloated and slow enough15:58
keriowithout adding the overhead of the synth *and* of pulseaudio15:58
timeless_xchati'm not changing software15:58
timeless_xchatthis update would fit into "update complete" but arguably not "software updated"15:59
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* timeless_xchat eyes centos, linux16:00
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thpRST38h: why not try it yourself? ;)16:00
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Stskeepsthp: thanks for the publicity btw :)16:01
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thpStskeeps: np. thanks for the packages ;)16:01
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timeless_xchatwoohoo16:03
timeless_xchatin a minute, i'll no longer need to take my passport with me to the bank16:03
Stskeepsgetting a citizens card?16:04
Stskeeps:P16:04
timeless_xchatnational id16:04
sx0nhttp://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_vs_samsung_pixon12_vs_sony_dsc_hx5v-review-519.php16:04
* SpeedEvil forgets where timeless is.16:04
SpeedEvil.nl?16:04
timeless_xchat"good enough for government work"16:04
|Rhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lugdulov/0.2.2-2/ <- can some of you vote for this? I've been using it for a while and it's a wonderful bike sharing app, it'd be great to see it in extra :-)16:04
timeless_xchatspeedevil : when i'm on my n900 (as now), whois tends to give me away16:05
SpeedEvilah16:06
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timeless_xchatok, next: get approval to take pre funded trips in november16:07
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timeless_xchatanyone in town for a limited time only?16:08
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timeless_xchatfree thursday is today16:09
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togglesaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! engadget i hate you16:10
timeless_xchatheh, y?16:11
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togglesno meegos until next year16:11
togglesblah.16:11
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Stskeepstoggles: that's intel saying it16:12
togglesI guess i'll need to get a nexus one16:12
togglesStskeeps: yeah yeah ;-)16:12
* timeless_xchat chuckles16:12
Stskeepsi mean, what would intel know?16:12
Stskeeps:P16:12
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timeless_xchatthat just means you can't get MePad from Intel this ar :)16:13
timeless_xchats/ar/year/16:13
infobottimeless_xchat meant: that just means you can't get MePad from Intel this year :)16:13
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jacktheripperif it's not possible to upload packages to the SDK repos, and it's only possible to upload a library to extras-devel (which is only ARMEL), then how am I supposed to test my programs on scratchbox if the UI doesn't work on the ARMEL target ?16:17
MohammadAG51err16:19
MohammadAG51devel accepts both archs16:19
MohammadAG51X86 and ARMEL16:19
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jacktheripperbut then it doesn't support the same version of both targets if I had uploaded one already. Can I used dpkg-buildpackage to build both targets at the same time with a new version ?16:20
MohammadAG51it supports archs of the same version16:21
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jacktheripperyes but I had already uploaded ARMEL before, I'm trying to upload i386 now and it's rejecting the package complaining that it already exists.16:22
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fralsbump version number?16:23
jacktheripperwould it be right to have different versions for different targets if it's exactly the same code ?16:24
MohammadAG51jacktheripper, make the source build both armel and x8616:24
MohammadAG51build-dep: in debian/rules16:24
MohammadAG51build-indep: for stuff like icons, changelogs, non arch dependant stuff16:25
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MohammadAG51Architecture: all in debian/control16:25
MohammadAG51read debian packaging documentation16:25
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tybolltalterego: like oh... say doing it _at all_ w/ the N900?16:30
TermanaIsn't it just my lucky day! I can create a FREE :* account at a web cam site, because it's been offered to me because I am such a sweetie. The person who is offering it is magically able to change faces as well, displaying a new picture everytime I visit the same great sign up link16:34
TermanaAnd ALL I need to do is add my information to the form, COMPLETELY FREE16:34
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TermanaJust as long as I add my credit card information, which WONT be charged :*16:34
RST38hthp: I would (even located file and function) but I do not have time even to maintain my own stuff nowadays =(16:35
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crashanddievkvraju, how can I help?16:38
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RST38hthp: And building hildon-desktop in SB2 is bound to be ..mm... fun16:39
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crashanddielol: http://5z8.info/facebook-of-sex_o7y0n_IE-exploiter16:56
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Venemo_N900alterego: ping17:33
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timeless_mbpoops17:34
* timeless_mbp confuses weeks17:34
timeless_mbpfree thursday is next week :o17:34
pupnikeat your pea soup and get to work17:34
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Venemo_N900Anyone knows when Qt 4.7 is coming to Maemo 5?17:35
Stskeepshopefully17:35
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crashanddieVenemo_N900, I'm saying between today and today + 2^64 days.17:42
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Venemo_N900crashanddie: haha!17:43
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timeless_xchatvenemo_n900: qt4.7 is coming to meego, and nokia wants the n900 to be the dev platform for meego18:22
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Corsacdoes this mean they'll give n900s to people at meego summit?18:23
Corsacno wait :)18:23
timeless_xchatdidn't they do that last time?18:23
timeless_xchatwhere's the originality in that?18:23
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achipatimeless_xchat: they're simply not going to appear there at all ! that's one thing that has never been done before...18:30
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DocScrutinizerlcukn900: ping18:31
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lardmanQuick question, is PyQwt available in one of the repos?18:39
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Venemo_N900lardman: if you are referring to PyQt, then yes18:47
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lardmanno, pyqwt18:47
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lardmani.e. http://qwt.sourceforge.net/18:48
lardmanoops, or even http://pyqwt.sourceforge.net/18:48
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lardmanhmm, seems not, nor even numpy18:51
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vkvrajusorry, I just went away18:59
vkvrajucrashanddie: you there?18:59
vkvraju~seen crashanddie19:00
infobotcrashanddie is currently on #maemo (9h 4m 16s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 1h 17m 14s, last said: 'Venemo_N900, I'm saying between today and today + 2^64 days.'.19:00
GAN900Anybody see the story on Engadget?19:00
Stskeepswhich one?19:01
Stskeeps'not until 2011'?19:01
GAN900Anybody want to bet the whole MeeGo-MeeGo/vendor-MeeGo doesn't make statements like that so much more complicated.19:01
GAN900Yeah19:01
Stskeepsi sense some VP got an angry call from another EVP19:01
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Stskeepsespecially cos 'why the fuck is intel the one being all-knowing if there'll be a meego handset'19:02
GAN900The Intel-handset/ARM-handset point makes it even more interesting19:03
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lardmanyes, was a bit of a direct answer, I expected more dancing around19:09
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pogI read wine 1.3.4 has arm-support, does that mean it' doesn't need qemu anymore to emulate?19:16
poghttp://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.419:16
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cehtehpog: i doubt that19:18
thpRST38h: apt-get source hildon-desktop && apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop && cd hildon-desktop-* && dpkg-buildpackage -b isn't that hard ;)19:19
cehtehmy guess is that you can recompile windows apps for arm now19:19
juliankpog: It means that wine can run WinCE applications now19:19
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pogWinCE...19:20
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ghostcubehi folks, i just read that flash 10.1 needs 800 mhz cpu minimum? is this the same for the mobile version cause then it wont be working on N900 or?19:22
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wmarone10.1 is not on the N900 for other reasons19:23
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DocScrutinizerghostcube: MHz mean nothing without mentioning exact cpu arch it's relating to19:23
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ghostcubei just read in ct and they were talking about an htc smartphone with 600 mhz android that wont run flash 10.119:24
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DocScrutinizerMAD MHz != Intel MHz, so guess how much it means for Arm MHz19:24
ghostcubedont know what arch is behind the htc19:24
wmaronechances are that's running a terrible ARM11 based CPU19:24
DocScrutinizerAMD*19:24
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rodaldhi everyone do you know if theres any way to get a faster internet connection thru the n900 right now im conecting thru the nokia pcsuite on windows vista and its giving me a connection of 460 kbps19:28
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n900-dkStill no way to enable java in browser on n900?19:42
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SpeedEvilrodald: It would seem to be a problem with windows - I'm regularly getting >460K through USB.19:43
SpeedEviltethering with 'pc suite' mode in linux.19:44
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SpeedEvilI vaguely remember there is a generic solution ot make it faster for all broadband modems19:44
SpeedEvilbut I don't remember what it is, as I diddn't bother remembering19:44
rodaldhmm too bad thank you any way19:45
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Stskeepsghostcube: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=835547&postcount=129219:49
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BCMMSpeedEvil: how does tethering with pc suite mode work?19:50
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BCMMSpeedEvil: how does tethering with pc suite mode work?19:51
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BCMMSpeedEvil: sorry for repeating, got confused from playing with network connections and thought i was offline19:51
BCMMi get the n900 appearing as a USB ethernet adaptor, but it doesn't seem to act as a gateway19:51
ghostcubeStskeeps: thx so it works heh19:52
BCMM(and i can't see how it could with the stock, netfilterless, kernel)19:52
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* Stskeeps watches the lemmings go wild: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=835556&postcount=129320:04
DocScrutinizer51meh, gpsjinni update wants to install new libillumination 2.7MB - WTF?20:07
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DocScrutinizer51I feel like nuking gpsjinni, for such nonsense shoving down my throat without proper WARNING20:09
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CutMeOwnThroatsigh20:12
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RST38hStskeeps: Meego on an x86 netbook?20:13
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StskeepsRST38h: n900, meego20:15
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DocScrutinizer51meh hooray gpsjinni freezing when hitting "Diagrams" - cpu 100. sure I want a new 2.7MB lib to implement such great feature20:18
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RST38hStskeeps: Won't work on Maemo5, I assume?20:25
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SpeedEvilBCMM: I just setup pppd on the linux box, then pppd call t-mobile after pluggin in the phone, and clicking 'pc suite' mode20:29
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BCMMSpeedEvil: oh, i don't know anything about ppp20:29
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BCMMSpeedEvil: presumably, one could also use netfilter from kernel-power and a DHCP server on the device?20:30
Stskeepsit's ctrl-shift-p to take screenshots, right?20:30
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DocScrutinizer51yep20:32
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StskeepsRST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=835588&postcount=129720:38
nox-moin20:38
RST38hstskeeps: wowowow20:38
StskeepsRST38h: no gpu acceleration though20:39
RST38hStskeeps: I doner if the lemmings will understand the significance of these screenshots :)20:39
RST38hAh, screw gpu acceleration....20:39
RST38hs/doner/wonder/20:39
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nox-so all you did was replace the flashplayer .so?20:41
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RST38hall hedid was find or compile a new flashplayer.so ;)20:42
Stskeepsfind20:42
RST38hnow, where he got it, tht is a good question20:42
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nox-ah20:43
StskeepsRST38h: it's referred further up in the thread20:43
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RST38haha20:43
Stskeepscfh11's post20:43
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* RST38h goes off to order a copy20:45
RST38hU.S. Government export approval20:46
RST38hhmmm20:46
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* wmarone wonders how long it will be until TI cuts off the ability to request it20:52
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yaccI just realized that the N900 is still missing some toys, e.g. no DECT module builtin, ...20:55
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dRbiGk, i've just discovered that n900's headphones have a button on the microphone bit21:00
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dRbiGi wonder if it is possible to use it to pause the media player21:01
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RST38hI have just found the laser hidden behind the N900's "ir port"21:01
RST38hWonder if I can use it to incribe obscenities on large buildings21:02
dRbiGuea, sure21:02
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Corsacor to blind plane pilots?21:02
dRbiGyea*21:02
dRbiGhmm21:02
dRbiGir port you say?21:02
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dRbiGsome tv remote emulator software out there?21:03
opdf2Besides connecting sftp from PC, is there an app to view Owner/Group of files from N900?21:04
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SpeedEvills -l21:06
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johnsqHi21:07
nox-dRbiG, there is qtirreco, tho i couldnt get it to work21:08
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nox-but maybe you have more luck :)21:11
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RST38hmoo wazd21:14
RST38hhow is life?21:14
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nox-ssdd21:16
Goliath23hi21:17
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DocScrutinizerdRbiG: irreco21:18
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DocScrutinizeropdf2: mc21:19
opdf2TY21:19
dRbiGthx Doc!21:19
DocScrutinizerirreco works ok for me )(and my TV :-P )21:20
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DocScrutinizerdunno about qtirreco21:20
nox-ah somehow i thought irreco was deprecated...21:22
MohammadAG51qtirreco is meh21:24
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RST38hthere is an irreco-based desktop widget that is relatively good21:27
RST38hMohammad, are you going to use thp's patches?21:27
MohammadAG51already did RST38h, see page 2 of his post21:27
MohammadAG51using the single column one right now21:28
RST38hcoooooooool21:28
RST38his it configurable, anyway?21:28
MohammadAG51sadly, nope21:28
MohammadAG51have to read on gconf21:29
MohammadAG51or read matan's sources21:29
RST38hoh21:29
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nox-is the widget all i need to install for irreco?21:30
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DocScrutinizeryou'll for sure need proper description file for a particular remote emu matching your TV21:31
RST38hthe n900 ir ledis too weak anyway21:31
DocScrutinizerso I guess you'll want the full irreco suite21:31
RST38hwell,the applet handles description fileloading21:31
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I doubt that21:31
RST38hit does21:32
RST38hcheck it out21:32
DocScrutinizerI more suspect it's using a wrong frequency21:32
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RST38his it adjustable? :)21:32
DocScrutinizersomewhere for sure21:32
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DocScrutinizerhw is adjustable21:33
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DocScrutinizerdunno how lircd handles that21:33
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: the IR LED is driven via 55R series from VBAT21:35
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DocScrutinizerdoesn't exactly sound like a wimpy glowing21:38
nox-hm where do i find the widget once its installed?21:38
DocScrutinizernox-: in desktop-gear add widget menu?21:38
nox-hm didnt see it there, tho irreco-core wasnt installed so maybe ill get it after that21:40
nox-.oO(program manager really is slow...)21:40
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laasonenIsn't there a way to make password entry? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/HildonEntry.html21:43
nox-hm nope21:44
* timeless_mbp ponders21:44
timeless_mbpcan someone here please load http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/contacts/nokia-offices21:45
nox-oh sorry that was to irreco21:45
timeless_mbpin select location, select United States of America21:45
nox-not to you laasonen21:45
timeless_mbpthen look at the phone numbers21:45
laasonennox-:ok21:45
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SpeedEvilTel: 18 588 315 00021:47
SpeedEvilFax: 18 588 316 50021:47
SpeedEvillooks unlikely21:47
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gnat42is the author of the gstreamer camerabin element around?21:48
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil:  the numbers do work21:49
timeless_mbpthey're just idiots (as usual)21:49
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nox-1-858?21:49
nox-haha21:49
SpeedEviloh - right21:50
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: aren't Americans always when it comes to sensible formats for commonly used values, like e.g. date?21:52
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* DocScrutinizer really is amazed every time he runs ito brainfsckd mm-dd-yy or yy-dd-mm21:53
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: i don't think i've ever seen yy-dd-mm21:53
timeless_mbpand i never hope to see it21:53
timeless_mbpi'm quite happy w/ mm/dd/yyyy21:53
DocScrutinizeridiocy21:53
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer:  it's a matter of Row Major v. Column Major21:54
timeless_mbpwhen you try to schedule events using a calendar21:54
DocScrutinizerdoesn't sort, doesn't read (except maybe in america), doesn't make any sense21:54
timeless_mbpdo you sort things by day21:54
timeless_mbpso first you find the 31st21:54
timeless_mbpthen you look at events from jan, mar, … ?21:54
DocScrutinizeryyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss,ccc21:55
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer:  yeah, that's the proper sort21:55
timeless_mbpthe way to think about mm/dd/yyyy is really:21:55
timeless_mbp(yyyy) mm/dd21:55
timeless_mbpsince the yyyy is generally fixed21:55
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timeless_mbpit doesn't make sense to have it wasting valuable leading digits21:55
timeless_mbpit hurts scanning21:55
DocScrutinizerexactly, mindboggling21:55
timeless_mbpso, …. instead, it's hidden 6 places later:21:56
timeless_mbpmm/dd[/yyyy]21:56
DocScrutinizerFFS21:56
timeless_mbpthat's why it's done, and it really does make sense21:56
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DocScrutinizeroh yes! date of posting 09-07-0921:56
DocScrutinizeror 10-07-0921:57
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DocScrutinizerHOORAY, fsckU!21:57
timeless_mbpus dates should really use /'s not -'s :)21:57
DocScrutinizerdoesn't fix the idiocy21:57
timeless_mbpand we wouldn't use a leading 021:57
timeless_mbpso you can pretty much assert that it wasn't a us date :)21:57
timeless_mbpthus, that must be some idiotic european date21:58
DocScrutinizermuhahaha21:58
timeless_mbp10, july, 0921:58
DocScrutinizergo tmo, enjoy, cry21:58
timeless_mbpwe'd write 7/10/0921:58
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timeless_mbpnote that years are special and *do* get a leading zero21:59
timeless_mbpbecause they're only *part* of a year, not the whole number21:59
DocScrutinizerOld 09-23-10, 12:15 PM21:59
BCMM_timeless_mbp: corresponds to pronounciation, ofc21:59
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: listen to what you're spreading here please. Don't hurt my brain!21:59
Stskeepswow, a riot really -is- starting about this flash thing22:00
BCMM_Stskeeps: what flash thing?22:01
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StskeepsBCMM_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=835547#post835547 and down22:02
DocScrutinizermeh22:02
* DocScrutinizer wonders if he actually *wants* flash10 at all (if it weren't for fixing vulnerabilities, and I guess nobody even thought about that particular aspect, not to think about proper evaluation)22:03
DocScrutinizerlemmings doing lemming things22:04
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: there are some sites that require flash1022:05
timeless_mbpit gives some better codecs and stuff22:05
DocScrutinizerI don't give a flying F...22:05
timeless_mbpi'd suggest collecting it22:06
timeless_mbpbecause you might find yourself visiting sites which don't serve you w/o it22:06
timeless_mbpno requirement that you use it otherwise22:06
timeless_mbpjust a tool to keep in case of emergencies22:06
DocScrutinizerack22:06
* timeless_mbp needed flash 10 last month22:06
* timeless_mbp grumbles22:06
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fluxif it had hw acceleration it might've been more interesting22:09
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: but that'd mean I'd have to dig thru all that BS at tmo, to pick up the pieces22:11
timeless_mbp?22:11
timeless_mbpthere's a link to the registration form right there22:11
* timeless_mbp just applied22:11
DocScrutinizerWTF? registration form???22:11
* DocScrutinizer runs to bathroom, throwing up22:11
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, it didnt work with tweak flash either?22:12
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trumeefunny why the TI page needs a company name. Is the registration only for business users?22:14
timeless_mbptrumee: they're trying to sell stuff to companies22:14
* Stskeeps actually does have a legal company so he could do it22:14
timeless_mbpit isn't for end users to get a better product22:14
BCMM_i wonder if pages that do that pay any attention to the information they collect22:14
DocScrutinizerBS22:15
BCMM_"hmm, about half the downloads were for the CIA...)22:15
timeless_mbpBCMM_: easy to find out22:15
DocScrutinizer~lart TI22:15
* infobot blasts TI with a huge firehose then strangles TI with it22:15
trumeeStskeeps: does it any kind of approval from TI. garbage company name wont help?22:15
Stskeepstrumee: i have no idea what they check22:16
Stskeepstrumee: it took 1-2 days for me to get it22:16
DocScrutinizerinfobot, you forgot Adobe and flash22:16
DocScrutinizer~lart Adobe and fsckng flash22:16
* infobot blasts Adobe and fsckng flash with a huge firehose then strangles Adobe and fsckng flash with it22:16
Stskeepstrumee: and please read http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=835663&postcount=1312 before dumping in garbage22:16
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, what are these better codecs? I thought it was aac+h264 already in 9?22:17
trumeeStskeeps: is that code by Adobe or by TI?22:17
ShadowJKAlthough maybe it was for 10 that they switched to CoreAVC instead of whatever they used before? That'd be pretty dog slow on ARM though I think..22:17
Stskeepstrumee: adobe naturally, maybe with TI stuff on top22:17
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DocScrutinizeryay, back to the bathroom...22:18
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: too much indian food?22:19
trumeeStskeeps: any idea whether it will be support hardware accel ?22:19
DocScrutinizerto much texas food22:19
Stskeepstrumee: no GPU acceleration as far as i could tell22:19
ShadowJKI think TI wants extra money for the full h264 accel?22:19
ShadowJKI mean in general, not specificly flash22:19
DocScrutinizer\o/22:19
StskeepsShadowJK: dunno, but the DSP codecs are downloadable22:19
ShadowJKThe free ones like the ones on N900 only do h264 baseline though?22:20
DocScrutinizeryep, that's what I heard22:20
StskeepsShadowJK: dunno22:20
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp should know exactly22:21
ShadowJKAnd since youtube >480p uses h264 main (or high?) profile instead of baseline, I imagine flash wants full h264 codecs22:21
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ShadowJKWell we already know that N900 codecs only does h264 baseline22:21
nox-ok got the widget after reboot, but it doesnt seem to know my pvr22:22
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timeless_mbpShadowJK: please don't quite me22:23
DocScrutinizernox-: I suggest you go for irreco app first. Use widget when full app is correctly configured22:23
timeless_mbpi'd have to find someone who has publicly provided useful info22:23
timeless_mbpi think there's also the minor problem that even though 9.x already supports some stuff from 1022:23
timeless_mbpsome content producers just check for 1022:24
timeless_mbp(content producers are stupid)22:24
DocScrutinizerand I'm not inclined to support stupidity22:24
BCMM_stupid stupid flash detection scripts22:24
BCMM_one popular one always declares konqueror to not support flash at all22:25
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, afaik I did not quote you on anything22:25
DocScrutinizersend a semptex package!22:25
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dRbiGhmm, i don't see packages for netcat or telnet - am i missing something?22:26
DocScrutinizerapt-get install netcat?22:26
dRbiGE: Couldn't find package netcat22:27
dRbiGguess what ;)22:27
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timeless_mbpShadowJK: that's a preemptive request :)22:27
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search netcat22:27
DocScrutinizersocat - multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer22:27
DocScrutinizernetcat - TCP/IP swiss army knife22:27
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BCMM_DocScrutinizer: works for telnet, no netcat22:27
dRbiGDocScrutinizer: you have devel repo added?22:28
DocScrutinizersure22:28
timeless_mbpdRbiG: you probably don't have enough repos enabled...22:28
timeless_mbpcan you explain why the default repo should have netcat?22:28
BCMM_what's socat?22:28
DocScrutinizerand tools22:28
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BCMM_it comes up for apt-cat search netcat22:28
dRbiGDocScrutinizer: 'and tools' - some other repo?22:28
timeless_mbpdRbiG: please keep in mind that large repositories seriously hurt HAM's ability to do anything22:28
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, I think the "tweak flash" crowd already discovered the thing about flash 9 working for most sites "requiring" 10  :)22:29
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BCMM_i have extras-devel and extras-testing and no netcat22:29
dRbiGtimeless_mbp: that's why i didn't add devel repo22:29
timeless_mbptools is a relatively small repo22:29
dRbiGi usually just wget the .deb i want and install by hand22:29
timeless_mbp(but quite useful)22:29
dRbiGtimeless_mbp: where can i find it?22:29
dRbiG:)22:29
dRbiGi may just build the debs myself but why waste time22:29
timeless_mbpdRbiG: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+5+tools22:30
timeless_mbp… why waste *my* time?22:30
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DocScrutinizer:-ÜP22:30
DocScrutinizererr -Ü22:30
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dRbiGtimeless_mbp: i mean, if someone actually did bild it for maemo and it's got its way to a repo then most probably it will be more suited for maemo than my own rough builds :)22:33
dRbiGhmm, like i see screen in the tools22:33
dRbiGso i basically wasted time compiling it22:34
dRbiGbut i still haven't seen lftp22:34
dRbiG:)22:34
BCMM_tools has screen!22:34
nox-hm `new button' always wants to replace the previous button...22:34
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ShadowJKscreen in tools has some quirks22:34
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DocScrutinizerfor your convenience: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo522:35
ShadowJKyou need to start it as root once per boot to make it work smoothly as user22:35
DocScrutinizererrmm22:35
DocScrutinizerweird22:35
nox-ah yeah bc it needs to create a dir in /var22:36
DocScrutinizernox-: that's odd, it shouldn't fail on that, no?22:36
nox-well as user it does22:37
nox-bc the parent dir at least is owned by root22:37
DocScrutinizerto be precise the dir shouldn't vanish once it's created (preferably by postinstall script of screen)22:37
nox-oh right thats true ofc22:37
nox-i guess screen just wasnt made for boxen with `temporary' /var...22:38
DocScrutinizerhehe22:38
DocScrutinizerthe temporary parts in /var should probably be world writable22:38
DocScrutinizersorry, can't keep myself from...22:39
DocScrutinizer~optification22:39
infoboti heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence322:39
DocScrutinizerapplies for /var as well of course22:40
DocScrutinizer~seen lcuk22:42
infobotlcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 19h 47m 9s ago, saying: 'to a degree'.22:42
DocScrutinizerwtf is up with ibot?22:42
DocScrutinizerlaggy as hell22:42
DocScrutinizer~botsnack22:43
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee22:43
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DocScrutinizerlcuk2: ping22:43
* nox- still problems with irreco, can only add a single button, and using it gives `irreco backend error'22:44
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nox-code 822:44
DocScrutinizer/etc/init.d/irreco start22:45
nox-oh :)22:45
DocScrutinizeror boot22:45
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lirtexHi, what is the right way to log messages from my C++ application in maemo? Is there some QT logger I should use?22:46
DocScrutinizerlog to where?22:46
lirtexsyslog preferably22:46
DocScrutinizerI guess there's a well established standard c way to do that22:47
dRbiGgot netcat, telnet and tcpdump, very good22:47
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timeless_mbplirtex =~ s/QT/Qt/g22:47
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DocScrutinizerman 3 syslog22:49
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lirtextimeless_mbp: won't happen again :)22:49
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lirtexDocScrutinizer: Thanks.22:49
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DocScrutinizeryw22:49
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nox-hm id be surprised if qt didnt have something for that too...22:50
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DocScrutinizernox-: why? just for the fun in it?22:52
DocScrutinizernox-: it'd have to offer any improved functionality to qualify for a Qt function, no?22:53
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nox-a) bc it has `all kinds of stuff' b) bc it tries to be `cross-platform'? :)22:53
DocScrutinizermaybe Qt offers a wrapper to use qstrings instead of const char *22:53
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nox-that too22:54
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DocScrutinizernox-: x-platform is a point, yes22:54
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* DocScrutinizer muses about windows system event log, and shudders22:55
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nox-yeah22:55
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nox-irreco-for-n900 is the one to install?  seems i didnt get an irreco init.d script...22:56
lirtexQt has qDebug which is convenient, but I'm not sure if it's possible to redirect it's output to syslog.22:56
DocScrutinizernox-: yep22:56
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DocScrutinizerlirtex: sorry, nfc. Not a real Qt-using developer here22:57
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DocScrutinizers/Qt-using// :-)22:57
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JaffaEvening22:59
DocScrutinizerlo Jaffa22:59
Stskeepsevening jaffa22:59
RevdKathyEvening, Jaffa22:59
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: have you noticed lcuk's request as of yesterday evening?23:01
DocScrutinizerJaffa: ...regarding backup-menu23:01
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Stskeepsis that in extras?23:02
Stskeeps:P23:02
JaffaDocScrutinizer: I saw something but didn't have time to fully mine scrollback. Shock: email is better :-p23:02
DocScrutinizer:-D23:02
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: nope, it's killing N900s from devel23:02
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* Jaffa would want a) documented proof; b) an email to maemo-developers or maemo-community and c) an answer to the question "what does the maintainer say?"23:03
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StskeepsJaffa: it's trashing raw NAND and it's really bad.23:03
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: I won't deliver proof of it killing a N900 :-P23:03
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StskeepsJaffa: MohammadAG has seen it's effect and it was only possible to rescue with nanderase from a initrd/second os23:03
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I still feel puzzled why NOLO doesn't cope with that properly23:04
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: erase blocks23:05
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: isn't NOLO supposed to do a proper nanderase prior to flashing rootfs?23:05
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SpeedEvilIs there no nice dumpubifs/23:05
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: the problem is the missing nice restoreubifs though23:06
SpeedEvilah23:06
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DocScrutinizerugh23:06
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dRbiGany idea why chmod +x doesn't add executable flag to a file?23:07
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lindi-NOLO is non-free/non-oss I presume?23:07
DocScrutinizerdRbiG: maybe cos it's VFAT?23:07
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DocScrutinizerlindi-: exactly23:07
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nox-anyone remember which package the irreco init.d script is in?  i wonder if it didnt get installed...23:08
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DocScrutinizerwtf?23:08
dRbiGDocScrutinizer: yhh, yes, and not only - it also has noexec option23:08
DocScrutinizernet.split :-(23:08
nox-stupid kids :(23:08
nox-(i guess)23:08
DocScrutinizer:nod:23:08
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nox-ok have to charge now, looking at irreco later23:09
DocScrutinizernox-: :-D23:10
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nox-DocScrutinizer, can you do a dpkg -S for the init.d script or what that command was?23:10
dRbiGokey, thttpd works, nice23:11
DocScrutinizernox-: /etc/init.d/lirc23:11
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nox-hm that one i have...23:11
nox-wonder why it didnt start23:12
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DocScrutinizerpkg lirc23:12
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nox-yeah lirc i have running, iireco still fails23:14
DocScrutinizerhmm, weird. I remeber I had problems initially with it too. Maybe really just boot23:15
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nox-hmm hmm23:16
nox-(tho i already did that too... :)23:16
DocScrutinizernox-: lirc is controlled via a socket iirc. maybe this fails when you start up lirc 'too late'23:16
nox-well iireco config talks about using telnet...23:17
DocScrutinizererr wut?23:17
nox-or at least it has a hostname and port23:18
DocScrutinizerwhatever, you need to download some description file matching your appliance. You did?23:18
nox-i had to do the `new remote' thing and get an lirc definition file, the original menu didnt have my pvr23:19
DocScrutinizeralso I seem to have installed THREE irreco pkgs. Maybe not all of them needed23:19
nox-i also havent found out how to add more than one button yet... o_O23:19
nox-which ones you have23:20
DocScrutinizerwith proper description file for a remo emu there shall be several buttons already23:20
nox-tho i think i now have all of them too...23:20
nox-yes as i said i have to config one myself23:20
DocScrutinizerhmm, you can not completely config by yourself, basically. The IR parameters / datapatterns need to be prerecorded on a different machine which has IR RX23:21
nox-yes i was able to have it download an lirc definition file from the net23:22
nox-only irreco's own config archive didnt have one23:23
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DocScrutinizerirreco says "Irreco 0.8.11"23:24
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nox-yep here too23:24
DocScrutinizerirreco-backend-internal-lirc, irreco-core, irreco-for-n90023:25
nox-have those too23:26
DocScrutinizerhmm, what else?23:27
DocScrutinizerwhat means "still fails"?23:27
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nox-iireco backend error, code 823:28
DocScrutinizerweird23:29
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nox-http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html#documentation23:29
DocScrutinizeri'd guess you need to download a proper "Remote"23:29
nox-this docs dont even mention the internal ir led...23:30
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DocScrutinizersure, n800 doesn't have any23:31
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DocScrutinizerirreco on N800 and "PC with lirc" are the same device for N90023:31
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nox-ooh23:32
DocScrutinizerirreco talking to lirc@localhost23:32
nox-so i need to tell lirc to listen on the notwork :)23:32
DocScrutinizervia a socket23:32
DocScrutinizernotwork, yes :-)23:32
DocScrutinizer127.0.0.123:32
nox-yes23:33
DocScrutinizerbut lirc on N900 does that ootb afaik23:33
nox-hm23:33
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DocScrutinizerI'm quite sure I haven't done any special edits to put the whole thing to work23:34
DocScrutinizerinstall, start up, ignore errors, load remote, boot(?), edit remote for size/number/type of buttons, save remote, enjoy23:36
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DocScrutinizerome/user/.irreco/backend_lib_backend_internal_lirc_la_1.config:23:38
DocScrutinizer[internal_lirc]23:38
DocScrutinizerhost=localhost23:38
DocScrutinizerport=876523:38
DocScrutinizer/home/user/.irreco/backends.conf:  [instance-1] library=lib_backend_internal_lirc.la config=backend_lib_backend_internal_lirc_la_1.config name=Internal Lirc 123:39
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 user users    0 2010-10-07 22:23 lircd.conf23:40
nox-found the problem in the lirc log: `this remote config cannot be used to transmit'...23:40
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DocScrutinizermhm23:41
nox-and btw lircd listens on *:8765 here by default23:43
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nox-guess ill have to look at the config23:43
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DocScrutinizerguess, you'll have to download a proper remote23:45
nox-'cept there isnt one for my hw :)23:45
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DocScrutinizerthen use any similar one. In the end there's a limited number of (3..12) ir-control chips on this planet23:46
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DocScrutinizerno matter what the buttons are labled and the brand name on the case, the chances there's the same chip inside is rather high23:47
nox-ok but the codes are all different, right?23:47
DocScrutinizernope, a chip always uses same codes23:48
nox-oh?23:48
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nox-i thought there are a limited number of encoding (like rc5), but the actual codes are `configurable' and differ per device?23:49
nox-else there'd be confusion quickly when someone has more than a few remotes...23:49
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DocScrutinizeryou got like 32 different device addresses and 64 keycodes23:50
DocScrutinizerfor example23:50
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DocScrutinizerthe device addr are assigned to appliance classes usually23:51
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DocScrutinizerodds are you'll get a somewhat working config for your particular appliance when you download a remote file for any arbitrary appliance of same type and manufacturer23:53
johnsqand you find nice new functions of your tv23:53
DocScrutinizeryep, sometimes :-D23:53
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nox-well from this manuf there only is stuff in the lirc archive23:54
nox-not in irreco's own one23:54
DocScrutinizerthen use another manuf, that's listed in same category in any arbitrary user manual of any arbitrary 'programmable universal IR remote'23:55
nox-hmm hmm23:56
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