IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-09-30

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DocScrutinizer	what a cruft is hat btw? ->	00:04
DocScrutinizer	rm -f ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE}	00:04
DocScrutinizer	cat >> ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE} << EOF	00:04
DocScrutinizer	export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS'	00:04
DocScrutinizer	EOF	00:04
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MohammadAG	umm	00:05
DocScrutinizer	wtf first rm the file, then append to it? and then this here-document for one line o.O	00:05
MohammadAG	they could've used > instead of rming the file first	00:05
sivang	odd	00:06
DocScrutinizer	msu've been winter in Finland when they coded that	00:06
sivang	ubuntu is playing tricks on me	00:06
DocScrutinizer	must have*	00:06
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sivang	DocScrutinizer: maybe the var can span multiple lines?	00:07
DocScrutinizer	ummm, even then	00:07
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DocScrutinizer	echo "export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='" '$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS' > ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE}	00:11
nomis	DocScrutinizer: I can come up with a reason for the rm -f / cat trick.	00:11
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nomis	"rm -f ; cat" works on write-protected files, "cat >" does not.	00:11
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DocScrutinizer	ooh right	00:11
DocScrutinizer	:-D	00:11
nomis	not that I think that this is the case here :)	00:12
DocScrutinizer	still apending to a rm'd file is silly, no?	00:12
DocScrutinizer	very special	00:12
villager	sivang: you need evolution data server to be able to use the phone functions, you know... it has your contact list	00:13
sivang	villager: I see.	00:13
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DocScrutinizer	in case you wonder: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01DBUS	00:13
nomis	DocScrutinizer: true, that does not seem to make a real difference.	00:14
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lardman	Qt, xvimagesink, does it work? Or should one use OpenGLES? And if so, is the OpenGLES setup time-consuming?	00:15
DocScrutinizer	lol, read the first if then else statement in 01dbus! XD	00:16
DocScrutinizer	if `whoami` = root then bla.user else bla.`whoami` - no given the fact we only have a user named user and a user named root that's rather funny	00:18
DocScrutinizer	now*	00:18
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villager	DocScrutinizer: no "else" part on my device	00:19
DocScrutinizer	well, at least Nokia didn't assume in every single the standard user of maemo had to be named 'user' :-P	00:20
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DocScrutinizer	villager: in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01dbus ? o.O	00:21
villager	hmm, wait, I scrolled past it, now I see the else part	00:21
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DocScrutinizer	wooohooo there's a binary called xset770 :-P	00:23
DocScrutinizer	damn, and I thought I got a N900	00:23
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DocScrutinizer	anybody else got two camera-ui in /etc/X11/Xsession.post ? Anybody tested if that's maybe one too much?	00:28
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Mousey	is the n8 maeom?	00:30
Mousey	maemo, even	00:30
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DocScrutinizer	npe	00:30
Mousey	k	00:30
DocScrutinizer	nope even	00:30
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pupnik	were any of you guys into electronic music in the 90s?	00:39
LinuxCode	was and is	00:39
pupnik	while me and my friends were creating the first 3D accelerated PC game, this was our attempt at reaching the top of the US dance charts	00:40
pupnik	another song reached #2	00:40
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-rvf6k61EU	00:40
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LinuxCode	atari or amiga ?	00:41
pupnik	pc - rendition verite	00:42
LinuxCode	I guess it was later 90s then ?	00:42
pupnik	early	00:42
pupnik	my god our music sucked though	00:42
LinuxCode	never liked "dance style" music	00:42
pupnik	aphex twin was doing his stuff in 1991-2	00:42
LinuxCode	I always was the more techno, jungle kind of person	00:43
pupnik	good	00:43
LinuxCode	still like dnb	00:43
pupnik	jungle is an early term	00:43
LinuxCode	yeah, there was nothing else	00:43
LinuxCode	lol	00:43
pupnik	try dubstep.fm	00:43
LinuxCode	now there are so many sub-genres I dont even know them al	00:43
jarkkom	first 3d accelerator cards were pretty hilarious, I had the S3 one that made games run slower than just using software renderer	00:43
LinuxCode	I just call it all dnb	00:43
pupnik	yep	00:43
LinuxCode	wel, unless its dubsetp	00:44
LinuxCode	dubstep is very different	00:44
pupnik	s3 killed my company jarkkom	00:44
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LinuxCode	time fo dinner	00:44
pupnik	i tried to get it started in audio cards, but the president killed the project	00:44
LinuxCode	then work, after I get this array fixed meh	00:44
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pupnik	i actually got a prototype 8 channel in/out card for 80386	00:44
jarkkom	well audio card business is pretty dead too apart from production side	00:44
pupnik	built	00:44
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pupnik	in 1989	00:44
LinuxCode	jarkkom, wan tot buy a creamware puslar 2 ?	00:45
LinuxCode	lol	00:45
pupnik	no 1988 sorry, 1989 was when they canned it	00:45
LinuxCode	pulsar	00:45
* LinuxCode stil has an emu 6400 utlra under his desk		00:45
LinuxCode	bought it, 3 months later softsamplers cam out	00:45
LinuxCode	depreciation 90% in 4 months, epic	00:46
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pupnik	LinuxCode: want something good?	00:53
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJm3CUPxGDs	00:53
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LinuxCode	pupnik, hehe	01:00
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zs_	hi, are there anywhere call logs?	01:02
pupnik	no fsck that	01:03
pupnik	MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO	01:03
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pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeclWk1Z7Cc	01:04
DocScrutinizer	what is PtMalloc?	01:05
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wolf^	DocScrutinizer, memory allocator used in glibc	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	thanks. can you point me to a doc about MALLOC_TRIM_THRESHOLD_=8192 and MALLOC_MMAP_THRESHOLD_=32768	01:07
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DocScrutinizer	# PtMalloc settings to control fragmentation and check corruption	01:07
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DocScrutinizer	( /etc/resource_limits.conf )	01:08
wolf^	DocScrutinizer, try dlmalloc sources	01:09
DocScrutinizer	umm, ok. nevermind	01:09
DocScrutinizer	thanks anyway	01:09
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wolf^	DocScrutinizer, no, the documentation is in the sources	01:10
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DocScrutinizer	maybe it's simply not that important	01:10
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wolf^	DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/sUaXYGzd	01:11
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flexxxv	so these noise level c lines just compiled .D	01:16
flexxxv	:D	01:16
DocScrutinizer	wolf^: thanks	01:16
DocScrutinizer	seems maemo settings are considerably lower than defaults	01:16
wolf^	DocScrutinizer, do note that this is from dlmalloc, not ptmalloc (which is a dlmalloc derivative)	01:17
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DocScrutinizer	:nod:	01:17
flexxxv	rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl); just doesn't return the right thing :(	01:17
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DocScrutinizer	uhuh	01:18
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pupnik	doc\|home: you seeing the results of your evil yet?	01:25
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pupnik	http://boingboing.net/2010/09/27/obama-administration.html Obama administration wants encryption backdoors for domestic surveillance	01:26
pupnik	one of the agents of evil ... :)	01:27
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pupnik	yeah, well what can we do? it's the nerds versus the thugs. the stupid kids in your high school have signed up with the government, and they're clubbing the intelligent people	01:27
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pupnik	it's despicable really	01:29
pupnik	#maemo needs to take an anti-slavery stance	01:29
pupnik	that's what we're here for	01:29
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ni1s-cell	Hello	01:30
pupnik	have i made the case that the obama administration is threatening maemo and meego?	01:30
pupnik	this is an action item for everyone	01:31
pupnik	and it will not go away	01:31
flexxxv	So this is the source: http://pastebin.com/ubkX9Wuc , this the si4713.h: http://pastebin.com/8DznE6A5 . It compiles succesfully. just that I dont get a right value for rval. what am I missing?	01:31
pupnik	this is now permanent subject in maemo, meego, and meego-arm	01:31
pupnik	the obama administration wants to send you to jail for encrypting your communications without government backdoors.	01:31
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pupnik	this is now subject for #maemo	01:31
vblazquez	which is the right size for XB-Maemo-Icon-26 for packaging? i was trying with 48x48 but it wasn't working, finally with 40x40 works	01:33
vblazquez	at wiki you can see 48x48, is that wrong?	01:33
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ni1s-cell	hello	01:35
flexxxv	tobis87: I just got it compiling :D but not working :( any great idea?	01:36
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wmarone	pupnik: you have some ulterior motive for pushing the subject?	01:37
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lardman	argh	01:39
lardman	if I create a widget derived from QWidget, how do I set its size?	01:39
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ni1s-cell	Is it possible to run avahi on maemo?	01:44
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lardman	it can be installed, not sure it works for p2p im mind you	01:45
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ni1s-cell	Ill probably only use it with ssh/sftp	01:46
lardman	dunno then, sorry]	01:47
ni1s-cell	No worries	01:47
user__	am logged on from N900 with tiny screen. Anyway, is maemo extras back up yet? Comparing apps with office full of Droid fanbois.	01:47
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kerio	show easy-debian, walk away	01:47
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: you're printing the adress of a RNL structure??	01:49
DocScrutinizer	user__: yes, should work	01:49
DocScrutinizer	if not then please come back here reporting	01:50
user__	i want to install apps, though. Is the repository back up?	01:50
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: that mini source fragment has quite a number of fundamental issues. First of all you're not closing your file handle in any of the error cases	01:51
flexxxv	DocScrutinizer: this is not my code. this is some example code from documentation :P So yeah mybee I should learn some more c :P	01:51
DocScrutinizer	user__: what do you think I'm talking bout?	01:51
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TiagoTiago	hi	01:53
flexxxv	will fix this not closing prob	01:53
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: then I'm rather sure you want to pass rval to printf(), not rnl.rnl	01:53
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TiagoTiago	it seems i've misplaced the shortcut to toggle the mouse cursor, i can't find it anywhere, not even in HAM, any idea how i can recover it?	01:54
flexxxv	anyway rval is all the time < 0	01:54
DocScrutinizer	then you should first check cmd line parameters, then open file	01:54
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DocScrutinizer	meh, I thought after that script this afternoon, that couldn't get topped today	01:57
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flexxxv	DocScrutinizer: I can top this aith a new prog in a language i've never used befor :D	02:00
flexxxv	DocScrutinizer: sry	02:00
TiagoTiago	it's quite shocking how much longer the battery lasts when you're not using the N900	02:01
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: looking into very basic but professionally written code (e.g unix 'cat') might help a lot	02:01
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: yeah, and even in freezer X-P	02:02
flexxxv	DocScrutinizer: thx will download src now :D	02:02
TiagoTiago	does the freezer thing really works?	02:02
pupnik	humans range from dog-like to god-like in intelligence	02:02
DocScrutinizer	my BL-5C lasts a minimum of 30 weeks - when I remove it from device	02:03
TiagoTiago	lol	02:03
TiagoTiago	no, i meant with it turned on, but without being interacted with	02:03
DocScrutinizer	seems inserting it to device, bit not powering up (aka 'using') it is comparable	02:04
DocScrutinizer	aah, yes	02:04
DocScrutinizer	that indicates you're using quite some screen backlight (almost the worst hog on N900), and probably also some data transfer, possibly even via GPRS	02:05
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TiagoTiago	i have the backlight brightenss at maximum, anything under that is already too dark (fulllbright is also too dark undr sunlight, not much i can do though)	02:08
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TiagoTiago	what exactly is the backlight, a LED array, a mini fluorescent bulb or what?	02:09
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lardman	Any Qt programmers about?	02:10
tuxonator	hello I don't know if I'm in the right channel but I have trouble with the Maemo Diablo Repositories	02:10
tuxonator	Packages.gz won't unzip	02:12
lardman	repo update may have gone wrong	02:12
tuxonator	seems so Im trying to find someone that can fix it :P	02:12
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: LEDs	02:13
pupnik	a friend of mine is now on the run from the FBI	02:14
TiagoTiago	i thought LEDs were supposed to be quite efficient....	02:14
DocScrutinizer	tuxonator: try another IP for same URL. Seems this problem is occurring only on some part of the loadbalanced akamai server farm	02:14
pupnik	he didn't do anything	02:14
pupnik	just did http://antiwar.com/radio/	02:14
pupnik	and you cock suckers.... thought it would be "ok" to let the motherfucking us government attack Iraq	02:15
pupnik	well now you got the result of letting them pull this shit	02:15
TiagoTiago	why is the load balancer not noticing one of the servers is faulty?	02:15
TiagoTiago	?	02:15
pupnik	dumb ass nerds. the bullys are pointing guns at you	02:16
tuxonator	DocScrutinizer: tks will do !	02:16
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flexxxv	so I just started to analys the code. trying to understand whats going on :) . why this check for argc? I'm feeling so dumb	02:16
pupnik	dumb, dumb people	02:17
TiagoTiago	what the hell are blabbering about?	02:17
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: everything OK mate?	02:18
lardman	aaaarghmmmgghtt, bloody Qt size this that hint this that the bloody other	02:18
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: how should a load balancer notice one of the irons has a borked file?	02:19
asj	TiagoTiago: let it go, he does this every few weeks, starts ranting and raving and going on and on about politics	02:19
pupnik	DocScrutinizer: not on the 'run' but just moving... they stole laptops a few days ago	02:19
pupnik	i know you want to be a geek	02:19
pupnik	and ignore the bullys	02:19
pupnik	you know the dumb idiots in your 7th grade?	02:20
pupnik	they are now working for the government	02:20
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: please take a off-time and chill a bit	02:20
lardman	someone, please, put me out of my misery and tell me how to size a widget in Qt	02:20
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pupnik	DocScrutinizer: but it's my new theory for how the world works	02:20
asj	larsivi: QWidget::setSize ?	02:20
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: /join #42	02:21
pupnik	the dumbasses scramble to find the large sticks to beat the rest of us with	02:21
lardman	from the widget itself, can it call that method on itself?	02:21
DocScrutinizer	lardman: object.x=200, object.y=300?	02:22
GAN900	pupnik, aren't we all?	02:22
asj	lardman: of course, need a C++ refresher?	02:23
pupnik	lardman: btw you should use your "convincing power" as much as possible. i suspect you underestimate your charisma	02:23
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lardman	but why does it ignore th hint sizes, stupid thing?	02:23
tuxonator	DocScrutinizer: no luck both IPs of the repository have the same problem	02:23
lardman	asj: probably ;)	02:23
DocScrutinizer	damn, pass me the URL	02:24
tuxonator	http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz	02:24
tuxonator	unable to gunzip the package	02:24
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tuxonator	so obviously apt-get is also unable to do so	02:24
DocScrutinizer	~dns http://repository.maemo.org	02:25
infobot	I can't find http://repository.maemo.org in DNS	02:25
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DocScrutinizer	~dns repository.maemo.org	02:26
infobot	repository.maemo.org is 173.223.232.152	02:26
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DocScrutinizer	repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net.	02:26
DocScrutinizer	repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net.	02:26
DocScrutinizer	a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.123.68.9	02:27
DocScrutinizer	a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.123.68.72	02:27
tuxonator	I had .19 and .41	02:27
tuxonator	will try .72	02:27
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tuxonator	DocScrutinizer : works tks a lot !	02:29
DocScrutinizer	tuxonator: maybe for diablo it's even worse than for fremantle	02:29
DocScrutinizer	ooh :-D	02:29
DocScrutinizer	yw	02:29
tuxonator	is it a common problem with akamai ?	02:29
tuxonator	replication issues ?	02:30
DocScrutinizer	sometimes	02:30
DocScrutinizer	not a premiere	02:30
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DocScrutinizer	I just wonder whom to poke to get him kick akamai's heck	02:31
DocScrutinizer	err stern	02:32
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TiagoTiago	sorry, had to be afk for a moment	02:33
DocScrutinizer	~seen X-Fade	02:33
infobot	x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 14h 5m 49s) #meego (2d 14h 5m 49s), last said: 'Morning'.	02:33
DocScrutinizer	umm	02:33
TiagoTiago	i see, i thought the issue was somthing that could be detected by pinging the server	02:33
lardman	night al	02:34
lardman	all even	02:34
lardman	:)	02:34
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DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: all repositories have a certain percentage of servers on akamai that ship a broken *.gz file	02:38
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TiagoTiago	it seems i've misplaced the shortcut to toggle the mouse cursor, i can't find it anywhere, not even in HAM, any idea how i can recover it?	02:44
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* DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. \| Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid \| * extras repository is temporarily broken, causing errors on update *** http://paste.debian.ne"		02:47
* DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. \| Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid \| * extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/"		02:48
hardaker	TiagoTiago: oddly, I have it on and want to turn it off!!!	02:48
DocScrutinizer	maybe something starting with 'xset' ?	02:51
hardaker	Mine got turned on when I installed the bluetooth hid support. Which didn't work, so I uninstalled it but the cursor remains.	02:52
hardaker	(I searched /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it's not in there)	02:52
flexxxv	got further with my code analys :P , why is it using sscanf to convert the string to int?	02:52
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TiagoTiago	perthaps it comes with one of the bluetooth things	02:59
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: what else would you suggest to use for that purpose?	03:01
tobis87	I have got the kernel from MohammadAG working, however the binary injection driver oopses after insertion: http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE	03:01
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flexxxv	DocScrutinizer: how about atoi?	03:04
tobis87	Anyway it is a start, now if crashandie manages to create a compilable version it should work. And I have to ask MohammadAG tomorrow for the kernel headers.	03:06
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javispedro	we have a way too long topic.	03:10
javispedro	it also overlaps partially with chanserv welcome message.	03:10
DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: might work as well	03:11
flexxxv	ok thx	03:11
flexxxv	so I'm now at this line: rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl); why on earth is it returning <0???	03:11
javispedro	atoi is not standard c	03:11
flexxxv	didn't know that	03:11
flexxxv	good to learn some c	03:12
javispedro	wait	03:12
flexxxv	always wanted to :D	03:12
javispedro	forget I exist, it is.	03:12
DocScrutinizer	lol	03:12
javispedro	itoa is the one that isn't.	03:13
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: maybe tell flexxxv how toproperly output error value and descriptive text after a failed file operation	03:13
flexxxv	i already implementaed this :D	03:13
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flexxxv	no wait	03:14
flexxxv	i implementaed to show an error if it fails to open /dev/radio0	03:14
javispedro	perror? =)	03:14
pupnik	javispedro	03:14
javispedro	hey pupnik	03:14
pupnik	i'll do something again someday	03:15
javispedro	someone pinged me on to bump the mupen64plus package...	03:15
javispedro	but I'm too tired, I think I'm going to bed instead.	03:15
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DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: man perror	03:20
flexxxv	thx	03:21
flexxxv	invalid seek	03:21
flexxxv	invalid argument	03:21
flexxxv	lol	03:21
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TiagoTiago	sorry, got distracted	03:25
TiagoTiago	yeah, it comes with "bluetooth hid scripts"	03:25
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flexxxv	how can I get more infos then "invalid argument"?	03:28
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flexxxv	wouldn't it make more sense to check first the number of arguments (before opening file)???	03:32
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DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: that mini source fragment has quite a number of fundamental issues. First of all you're not closing your file handle in any of the error cases	03:40
DocScrutinizer	then you should first check cmd line parameters, then open file	03:40
DocScrutinizer	so, after reposting that, yes it would make more sense to first check cmdline argument number and validity	03:41
flexxxv	ok I Implementated to check cmdline numbers first, also implementated to close the the file on any of these errors. just missing the check if argument is integer.	03:44
flexxxv	Anyway why does perror gives me "invalid argument" after rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl);	03:45
flexxxv	http://pastebin.com/9DquJKy1 (still very very dity) :( but I think it should be working?!	03:46
SpeedEvil	Doesn't ioctl want a FILE pointer?	03:47
SpeedEvil	as returned by fopen	03:47
* SpeedEvil forgets.		03:47
flexxxv	looking in documentation	03:48
jarkkom	no, it wants file descriptor	03:51
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flexxxv	thx. so this isn't the problem	03:53
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DocScrutinizer	man ioctl: The argument d must be an open file descriptor.	04:09
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TiagoTiago	i'm going sleep, cya	04:12
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pupnik_	DocScrutinizer: hey man i might not be around for myuch longer - but i am part of the ...	04:15
DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: hey friend, take some sleep :-D	04:16
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pronto	D: why does the n900 not have a self timer for the camera ;_;	04:17
johnx	because it doesn't have a tripod mount	04:19
pronto	so?	04:20
pronto	i can prop the camra up and leave it there	04:20
pronto	well the phone	04:21
SpeedEvil	I vaguely recall fcam does have a timer	04:21
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pronto	that has a shutter speed and other things, didnt see a timer	04:23
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Psi	sorry, if this has been asked 1000 times but i see meego tablet will run android apps any idea if n900 with meego will as well?	05:34
doc\|home	Psi: it'll run android apps? Where did you see that?	05:35
Psi	http://www.talkandroid.com/14728-meego-wetab-tablet-with-support-for-android-apps-on-the-way/	05:36
Psi	maybe its fake?	05:36
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wmarone	supposedly they are using VirtualBox to do it	05:37
Psi	well it would have to be some sort of VM	05:38
wmarone	it is not a capability of MeeGo but something that the WeTab are doing	05:38
Psi	ah	05:38
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wmarone	Psi: or it could have been a complicated port to work with X, but I'm not surprised at the route used	05:38
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wmarone	debatably useful, due to the lack of access to the market	05:38
Psi	yeah	05:39
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Psi	been playing around with lazarus the last few days, seems to be working quite well compiling arm apps on my desktop pc	05:42
wmarone	lazarus?	05:42
Psi	its like opensource delphi for linux	05:43
wmarone	oh?	05:43
Psi	yep	05:43
* wmarone looks it up		05:43
wmarone	I haven't used delphi in years	05:43
Psi	if you want to make apps for n900 you have to compile it yourself and tweak some stuff	05:43
wmarone	right	05:44
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wmarone	everything I've messed with on the N900 has been in C	05:44
Psi	but apt-get install lazarus will get you making x86 linux apps right away	05:44
wmarone	hmm	05:45
wmarone	might check it out later	05:45
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vkvraju	Hi All	05:55
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user__	\list	05:59
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user__	\what the topic?	05:59
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delt	..... extras repo still broken? :(	06:16
delt	is this because i flashed my n810 and lost all the apps i had on it?	06:16
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delt	thinking i could easily reinstall them??	06:16
delt	sigh anyway... be back later...	06:17
ShadowJK	so when I press about the middle of the battery door, N900 drops cellular :-)	06:17
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pigeon	damn, my n900 turned itself off twice in the last 3 minutes for some reasons...	07:05
pigeon	(or kernel crash or something...)	07:05
wmarone	what's /proc/bootreason say?	07:06
pigeon	pwr_key	07:07
pigeon	it always just says that.	07:07
wmarone	hm	07:07
pigeon	this is also scary... my bash history is corrupted	07:07
wmarone	o_O	07:07
pronto	O_o	07:08
pigeon	.bash_history has some random binary data in it, as well as some sql table create statements in it...	07:08
wmarone	that screams filesystem corruptio	07:08
pigeon	yeah	07:08
ShadowJK	next time if it happens when you're using it with screen on, if the screen contents becomes white just before the backlight dies... then it's probably the battery contacts	07:08
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pigeon	how would i fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2?	07:09
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ShadowJK	I suggest you don't	07:10
ShadowJK	it just makes it worse	07:11
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pigeon	well, that's probably true, but continue to use the fs wouldn't help it either i thought	07:11
ShadowJK	I tried fsck it once and it made it so fucked up I ended up mkfs a new one and restoring from backup	07:12
pigeon	perhaps it's a good time to backup and reflash...	07:12
pigeon	even if you mount it ro and fsck?	07:12
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ShadowJK	I had it /umounted/ when I ran fsck	07:16
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pigeon	oh :(	07:17
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ShadowJK	it took some creative scripting of the actual fsck and failsafes for me	07:17
ShadowJK	and it ended up being pointless :)	07:17
pigeon	hmm	07:18
pigeon	i've been having random power off in the last couple of weeks, and they all feel like either network (2g/3g) or web browser (microb) related, but i'm not 100% sure.	07:19
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pigeon	and i guess the fs isn't going to get better like that... :\	07:19
ShadowJK	:/	07:19
pigeon	i thought it was kernel power, so i put the stock kernel back last night.	07:19
ShadowJK	I've been having sim card problems :/	07:20
ShadowJK	it's frustrating when shit doesn't work :)	07:20
pigeon	what sort of sim card problems?	07:20
ShadowJK	two days ago it lost signal 70 times in a day	07:21
ShadowJK	then I cleaned the springs and the sim card and it was like 30	07:21
ShadowJK	and tonight it "only" broke 5 times after I used tweezers to elevate the sim card springy contacts on N900 a bit... :/	07:22
ShadowJK	seems it happens when I move around alot, and when there's any pressure on N900	07:22
pigeon	hmm	07:22
jpinx-eeepc	ShadowJK: how old is your n900?	07:22
ShadowJK	over a year	07:22
redeeman	wifi is broken on mine :(	07:23
ShadowJK	or, well, close to a year	07:23
jpinx-eeepc	just out of warranty ? ;)	07:23
ShadowJK	no it has 2 year warranty in eu	07:23
jpinx-eeepc	ShadowJK: mine is 7 months and no sign of anything bad yet, but I am being very careful with the usb socket.	07:24
jpinx-eeepc	andd I never switch it off	07:24
pigeon	my n900 is only about 5 months old :\	07:24
jpinx-eeepc	though I curse nokia for not making it dual sim	07:24
redeeman	i want dualsim too	07:25
ShadowJK	they haven't had dual sim since like 5510 or something :)	07:25
redeeman	and my damn wifi broke	07:25
ShadowJK	which was a few years before the one that appeared in the first matrix movie...	07:25
jpinx-eeepc	yea - too much presssure from the mobile service providers who only one single sim devices	07:25
jpinx-eeepc	redeeman: what do you mean "broke""?	07:25
redeeman	errors from the module saying it times out with some firmware	07:26
redeeman	and then if i try to up wlan0 it just uses 100% cpu	07:26
redeeman	i checked the md5sum of the firmware files and they are okay	07:27
jpinx-eeepc	over here (asia) I can get good deals on wifi and gprs, but on different sims - so I woul d have to swap out the sims everytime - just not worth it	07:27
jpinx-eeepc	redeeman: did you backup and reflaash ?	07:27
redeeman	i did not reflash, but i dont think thats gonna help	07:27
redeeman	this is kernel stuff failing	07:27
redeeman	and the kernel is fine	07:27
redeeman	and the wlan module is fine	07:27
redeeman	as is the firmware	07:27
jpinx-eeepc	sounds like a corrupted driver or somesuch	07:28
jpinx-eeepc	I'd reflash	07:28
redeeman	how would the reflash fix it? this is not userspace related	07:28
jpinx-eeepc	ShadowJK: I had a dualsim converter for my old 6310i, a bit bulky, but a godsend	07:29
jpinx-eeepc	redeeman: reflash is like - a fresh operating system	07:29
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redeeman	i know, but i dont see how that works	07:29
redeeman	you see i dont subscribe to the "reinstall" to fix things solution	07:29
jpinx-eeepc	redeeman: ok - do it your way ;)	07:30
redeeman	i know pretty much a lot about linux	07:30
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redeeman	and reinstalling the same files wont fix stuff	07:30
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jpinx-eeepc	it will if your files are corrupted	07:30
jpinx-eeepc	but what do I know - I have only reflashed mine 3 times	07:30
redeeman	which files? as i said, i already checked the kernel module and firmware files checksum	07:30
redeeman	i had a guy inhere post the md5sum	07:31
jpinx-eeepc	heh	07:31
jpinx-eeepc	you really won't listen ;)	07:31
redeeman	but i would apreciate if you could aswell	07:31
jpinx-eeepc	nope	07:31
jpinx-eeepc	reflash or die :D	07:31
redeeman	md5sum /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/wl12xx.ko	07:31
redeeman	reflashing is a drastic measure that is not called for at this time	07:32
redeeman	theres 3 things involved here	07:32
jpinx-eeepc	it's drastic it wifi is not working :p	07:32
redeeman	1: the kernel, 2: the kernel module, 3: the firmware files	07:32
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redeeman	these things can be checked without reflashing	07:32
jpinx-eeepc	yep three things - pride, stubborn-ness and whatever :)	07:32
jpinx-eeepc	sorry dude - I gotta work	07:33
redeeman	okay	07:33
redeeman	anyone else that can post the md5sum of that file?	07:33
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redeeman	i guess not	07:38
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pigeon	alright, i'll remove fcam-drivers too...	07:51
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sabayonuser	Hi! I'm just trying to follow these instructions: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.231:_swap_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_partition for solution 1	08:10
sabayonuser	but when I run sfdisk --no-reread /dev/mmcblk0 < table all I get is invalid ioperation -- o	08:10
sabayonuser	what am I doing wrong?	08:10
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fosstux	I ah i meant invalid option o	08:14
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ieatlint	uh, note that you can brick your device by messing up what you're doing	08:16
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ieatlint	try removing the "--no-reread" part and see if it still gives the same error (it should realise one of the partitions is mounted, and give an error to that effect -- this option is supposed to suppress that check, but if the problem is a command line switch parse error, this may help tell us that)	08:18
luke-jr_	ieatlint: nonsense	08:18
luke-jr_	I don't think I've heard of anyone ever bricking N900 so far	08:19
ieatlint	eh, i define bricking a phone as making it unbootable.. the fact that it can be saved by putting it into a flash mode and reflashing is obviously relevant, but then we're just arguing terminology, which is about as pointless as it sounds	08:19
luke-jr_	N900 isn't a phone	08:20
luke-jr_	bricking means it's a brick. not recoverable.	08:20
luke-jr_	not good for anything but a paperweight	08:20
fosstux	ieatlint: The i get Device or resource busy	08:20
ieatlint	fosstux: then for some reason, sfdisk is not parsing "--no-reread" correctly	08:21
ieatlint	luke-jr_: then why are there so many guides out there for devices with phrases like "unbricking" in them?	08:21
luke-jr_	ieatlint: written by n00bs who don't know what bricking means ☺	08:21
ieatlint	as i said, a pointless terminology argument :P	08:22
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tank-man	to the noobs with no skill, it is a brick to them	08:25
tank-man	skill = reading a howto	08:25
tank-man	lol	08:25
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slonopotamus_	is echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level equivalent to what maemo does to turn off screen?	08:52
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knightstalker	Hello,Is it just me or TuneWiki no longer works? :(,It says I need to update,but where to do so?there is nothing in App Manager's update	09:27
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D-Iivil_Work	_o/	09:53
ColdFyre	ponies	09:55
pronto	are fun in bed	09:55
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:58
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merlin1991	morning Jaffa	11:00
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majeru	hi, shouldn't the debian packages provided for maemo be converted to store their data on the partition mounted on /opt?	11:13
psycho_oreos	in almost all cases yes but not all the time	11:13
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majeru	I just tried GNU screen and it doesn't obey this guideline	11:14
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psycho_oreos	that's probably because its small enough to fit on root partition or for PATH's sake its easier	11:15
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majeru	yeah, around 1.5MB, but if you install a few dozens such packages it's easily filling up the rootfs	11:16
psycho_oreos	if it bothers you that much, you may as well move them yourself and either symlink it or change PATH	11:17
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psycho_oreos	plus normally rootfs should have around 60 odd MB free, there's not many GNU console tools that would use rootfs space when you think about it	11:18
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majeru	yeah	11:18
* psycho_oreos still has 43MB of rootfs free considering he's already installed a fair few GNU console tools		11:19
majeru	FWIW the screen package is from the maemo tools repository, so maybe that hasn't been converted	11:19
majeru	I installed a few othe rtools myself, and most were properly stored in /home/opt	11:20
psycho_oreos	or you mean its from scratchbox repos?	11:20
majeru	see the 3rd post of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55295	11:20
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psycho_oreos	it looks like its part of repos to be used with scratchbox/chroot environment	11:23
psycho_oreos	or simply put SDK environment	11:23
majeru	ok, my fault then	11:23
psycho_oreos	hence the reason why	11:23
psycho_oreos	http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories	11:23
majeru	I'm a newbie (yesterday I bought the n900)	11:23
majeru	thanks	11:24
psycho_oreos	heh	11:24
psycho_oreos	we all had to start from somewhere	11:24
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majeru	it's really great	11:24
psycho_oreos	I personally also use SDK repos on my n900, despite the warnings, all the other standard repos lack the console tools that I desire	11:25
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psycho_oreos	the only issue is that you might end up screwing things if you're not careful but otherwise there's plenty of tools inside sdk	11:25
majeru	I only installed screen from there	11:26
psycho_oreos	I know I have installed dpkg-dev along with dpkg-repack from that repo (or some of it may come from extras-{testing,devel})	11:27
majeru	is there any good reason for not having tools like screen in the standard repos?	11:27
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psycho_oreos	probably because not many users like to use console tools me thinks :D	11:28
psycho_oreos	they just like the fancy GUI and touching it rather than having to type out commands all the time	11:28
majeru	indeed, but there are some tools I grew addicted of, and screen is one of them	11:29
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psycho_oreos	there's lots of tools on command line that I love to use.. the whole GUI thing to me owes CLI dependency, without GUI many users whom are used to using it would freak out at the sign of CLI	11:31
knightstalker	Hello,Is it just me or TuneWiki no longer works? :(,It says I need to update,but where to do so?there is nothing in App Manager's update	11:31
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pexi	iphone queue in finland: http://www.digitoday.fi/files/200_Elisan_iPhone_4_-jono.jpg	12:18
Stskeeps	heh	12:19
xkr47	^^	12:20
jaska	postage-stamp sized jpg	12:20
xkr47	does jpg store dpi info?	12:20
xkr47	;)	12:20
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jaska	well, at 200x150 its postage-stamp anyway :)	12:22
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xkr47	ah, yeah, in n900 of course :)	12:23
kerio	>selling iphones in nokialand	12:23
kerio	i'm surprised there's someone	12:23
psycho_oreos	nothing special about that.. n900 was also sold in appleland	12:24
kerio	you mean, cupertino?	12:25
psycho_oreos	I dunno about that place but I do know that n900 can be bought in stateside :) nothing special really	12:26
ieatlint	nokia only has retail outlets in new york and chicago :P	12:27
ieatlint	otherwise, it's online sales	12:27
achipa	kerio: must be expats or tourists :D	12:27
psycho_oreos	wouldn't some phone retailers retail n900 over there in stateside?	12:27
ieatlint	phone retailers don't exist really	12:28
psycho_oreos	considering n900 has phone functionality, it would be sold off as a phone lol	12:28
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psycho_oreos	that's interesting	12:28
ieatlint	95% of consumers buy phones that are marketed by mobile carriers	12:28
ieatlint	and the carriers give hardware discounts in exchange for them signing multi-year contracts with the carrier	12:29
psycho_oreos	well yeah there's that option as well, and wouldn't n900 be marketed by mobile carrier/s over there?	12:29
ieatlint	there are 4 major carriers in the US, two CDMA, two GSM/UMTS	12:29
ieatlint	and the two UMTS carriers operate on incompatible frequencies	12:29
ieatlint	so consumers have no idea what will work unless the carrier themselves market it	12:30
psycho_oreos	lol that's messed up	12:30
ieatlint	in the US, T-Mobile is the only carrier to work with the UMTS on the N900	12:30
psycho_oreos	no vodaphone?	12:30
ieatlint	and it's too niche..	12:30
ieatlint	no vodaphone	12:30
psycho_oreos	heh that's really messed up	12:31
ieatlint	we have virgin mobile, but it's this weird shit that works on CDMA and just re-uses another carrier's network (they sub-contract)	12:31
achipa	psycho_oreos: messed ? wait until you hear that there are plans that make you pay to RECEIVE sms-es	12:32
kerio	ieatlint: who needs standards or government intervention	12:32
kerio	the free market regulates itself, right	12:32
ieatlint	:P	12:32
ieatlint	there are reasons why it's like this	12:33
psycho_oreos	achipa, that's nothing new out where I live :) they're deemed as premium SMS and there are dodgy operators who abuse the premium service by luring users to sign up to them	12:33
ieatlint	we have a gov body that regulates radio frequencies	12:33
kerio	because interoperability would benefit consumers but not phone companies?	12:33
psycho_oreos	yeah FCC :D	12:33
ieatlint	the standard UMTS freqs were already in use	12:33
ieatlint	tmobile bought freqs that were previously reserved by the US gov for its own use to roll out their 3g network	12:34
ieatlint	and after investing billions, they weren't about to let their competitor use it freely	12:34
ieatlint	so ATT reused frequencies from GSM	12:34
ieatlint	thus, we have two sets of UMTS frequencies that are essentially US-only	12:34
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ieatlint	most 3g handsets support one of them... the iphone supports ATT and the rest of the world, for instance	12:35
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psycho_oreos	achipa, if you thought that was bad, you have never heard of unlimited internet usage :) out here the wording of unlimited meant certain specified download/upload usage until cap is reached and then you're shaped.. prior to that, they just charge you per extra MB you exceed.. on mobile network, there's no such thing as capping so if you go over you foot the bill	12:35
ieatlint	it's more of an unfortunate set of circumstances than a specific intent to be proprietary	12:35
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psycho_oreos	s/bill/extra bill/	12:36
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: achipa, if you thought that was bad, you have never heard of unlimited internet usage :) out here the wording of unlimited meant certain specified download/upload usage until cap is reached and then you're shaped.. prior to that, they just charge you per ...	12:36
ieatlint	psycho_oreos: we have both here	12:36
ieatlint	it costs money to receive sms, yes	12:36
psycho_oreos	ieatlint, I've heard some mobile operators offer true unlimited there.. but then again your monthly quota isn't as small as ours I bet :D unless you live out in the bush/country	12:37
ieatlint	and most data plans are "unlimited", but tethering is not allowed	12:37
psycho_oreos	heh usb ip ;)	12:37
ieatlint	if you exceed a certain amount, they will simply say that you must be tethering to use that much data	12:37
ieatlint	they don't typically charge you extra though.. they just restrict you to EDGE speeds	12:38
ieatlint	i think tmobile is around 2GB/mo... don't know for others	12:38
psycho_oreos	that's not that bad, here they don't care.. they'll just charge you	12:38
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psycho_oreos	you pay extra MB you exceed ontop of your regular bill regardless of how much you exceed for wireless internet	12:38
psycho_oreos	s/internet/broadband/	12:39
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: you pay extra MB you exceed ontop of your regular bill regardless of how much you exceed for wireless broadband	12:39
ieatlint	fun stuff	12:40
ieatlint	simply put, we're all getting screwed	12:40
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psycho_oreos	and its funny because we're the ones paying them to keep them afloat	12:41
psycho_oreos	so they see us as pure milking cows	12:41
ieatlint	roaming is where they hit you bad with our carriers	12:42
ieatlint	i take my phone to london, and it's $0.015/KB data, $0.35 to send SMS, $1.99/minute to make calls to the US or UK (extra for UK mobile phones)	12:43
ieatlint	receiving sms is free, but only because i have an unlimited sms plan, otherwise it'd be the same cost to receive sms as it is here in the states -- $0.15 if i recall right	12:43
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psycho_oreos	roaming here is worse imo.. one of my wireless broadband will only offer 5MB whilst roaming.. any exceeds will be charged per MB whilst using another carrier	12:44
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ieatlint	yes, the conclusion is we're all getting raped :P	12:47
ieatlint	and the n900 is extremely rare where i live	12:48
psycho_oreos	and I'd still prefer to be capped rather than get charged because I accidentally went over the specified quota.. wireless broadband usage monitoring is not updated frequently (takes about 24-48 hours) and during that time one can easily exceed that amount by forgetting to add the potential delays :)	12:48
ieatlint	i've been 4 other N900s here	12:48
ieatlint	3 of which were at a meego event	12:48
ieatlint	i sold a spare one to mozilla though, so maybe i can say 5 :P	12:48
psycho_oreos	and I'd stil prefer to be capped rather than getting charged because if I accident went over the specified quota I won't have to foot the extra bill*	12:48
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alterego	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11435639	12:48
alterego	Heh	12:48
psycho_oreos	I'm the only n900 user myself within my circle	12:49
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kerio	psycho_oreos: bandwidth monitor	13:00
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psycho_oreos	kerio, yes I have similar tools for those but even so, its quite stupid how the providers love to charge you for excess usage on top of your regular bill payments to them and not have their own site updated more frequently rather than leaving the end user to be more cautious? or isn't that defeating the whole concept of trying to make your money's worth and to be milked because you have to be cautious but then could miss out unused quota? :)	13:02
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skrr	is this script still supposed to work? (with n900) http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_via_SIP	13:07
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flexxxv	hy, I need some help with this ugly c prog: http://pastebin.com/ku6kdE4M . (I'm using this si4713.h : http://pastebin.com/ypVe631P) . My problem is that I alway get "Invalid argument" when trying to get the noise level of the radio :( . Anyone has an idea about whats wrong?	13:11
flexxxv	or could this just be incompatibel with the kernel?	13:12
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jacekowski	strace	13:13
jacekowski	and compare kernel sources	13:13
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ieatlint	that's c++, not c	13:13
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thp	spam on planet.m.o?	13:16
ieatlint	flexxxv: not sure what your exact problem is, but line 28 should be deleted (if fd isn't opened, don't try and close it), and 38 should just be "rnl.frequency = atoi( argv[1] );" instead of using sscanf()	13:17
jacekowski	flexxxv: that's not going to work	13:17
jacekowski	flexxxv: there are two drivers in kernel sources	13:17
jacekowski	flexxxv: and that code works with one that's not used by nokia	13:17
flexxxv	ieatlint: you are right! deleted this line... must be sleeping yesterdaying...	13:19
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dRbiG	i guess the fact that no application can get a gps fix despite having >3 satellites in view is a standard problem on n900? ;)	13:19
* satmd hands a cup of coffee to flexxxv		13:19
satmd	a BIG cup	13:19
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ieatlint	flexxxv: no worries... sounds like my kind of day :P	13:19
jacekowski	dRbiG: it takes ages	13:19
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flexxxv	better a book for c++ ;)	13:19
jacekowski	dRbiG: if you don't have internet connection	13:19
satmd	I only have the o'reilly reference for c++ myself	13:20
jacekowski	K&R	13:20
flexxxv	jacekowski: so /dev/radio1 is used by the non nokia driver?	13:20
jacekowski	no	13:20
dRbiG	jacekowski: i have internet connection here	13:20
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jacekowski	take a look into sources	13:20
jacekowski	./media/radio/si4713.c	13:20
jacekowski	./media/radio/radio-si4713.c	13:20
jacekowski	two drivers	13:21
jacekowski	radio-si4713.c is the one you need	13:21
jacekowski	but on n900 si4713.c is used	13:21
flexxxv	and only one driver for one device right? so this has to fail. :(	13:22
satmd	the linux kernel has a feature for bind/unbinding drivers	13:22
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satmd	I'm not sure it is enabled for n900	13:22
satmd	but if it is... and your other driver has the right aliases for the device, this could work	13:23
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flexxxv	so i need to compile radio-si4713.c for kenel. unload si4713.c . Load radio-si4713.c and then run my app?	13:29
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majeru	did anyone try to use nokia headsets made for other devices (with more buttons) on a N900?	13:30
korhojoa	yeah, i tried one	13:31
korhojoa	doesn't work	13:31
majeru	I have a headset for N97 and didn't either	13:31
korhojoa	i tried a iphone headset	13:31
majeru	I wonder if it's a hardware or software issue	13:31
korhojoa	all it did was buzz in my ear	13:31
korhojoa	stupid video out :/	13:31
majeru	this one sounds fine, but the buttons aren't working	13:32
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crashanddie	don't push it in all the way	13:35
crashanddie	leave like 1mm out, should work	13:35
crashanddie	though you may have mono output only	13:35
korhojoa	doesn't really work	13:35
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korhojoa	it can get audio out	13:36
korhojoa	but it just plays the difference between the stereo channels	13:36
DocScrutinizer	multibutton wired headsets aren't supported by the mafw or whatever kernel driver handling the AV connector hw	13:37
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DocScrutinizer	from comparing N95 and N900 schematics I'd guess we could get community driven support for those multibutton headsets as soon as somebody manages to figure out the exact protocol they use	13:39
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: that's really nonsense	13:40
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DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: give the fact the top two contacts in N900 (and any Nokia AV) receptacle are left, right; while 3rd and 4th (base) contact are Mic and Gnd	13:41
DocScrutinizer	it makes no sense to plug in anything half way	13:41
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DocScrutinizer	except if you got a mono headset and you're interested in the right chan of output only	13:42
DocScrutinizer	even then I doubt it'll work with vast najority of usual plugs	13:43
DocScrutinizer	nevertheless Apple actually has a 3.5mm plug that's 1mm longer than normal. You MUST NOT insert those overlength plugs all the way down, otherwise your device might break	13:44
DocScrutinizer	~2119	13:44
infobot	The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.	13:44
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korhojoa	well, to be honest	13:45
korhojoa	it wasn't a apple headset	13:45
korhojoa	it was a razer moray	13:45
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DocScrutinizer	there's lots of brainfarts in industry about how headsets' plugs should be built	13:47
DocScrutinizer	Nokia has chosen an utterly sane and reasonable approach	13:47
DocScrutinizer	which doesn't mean each abomination will be compatible	13:48
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korhojoa	utterly sane?	13:48
DocScrutinizer	http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf	13:48
DocScrutinizer	yes	13:49
DocScrutinizer	read that pdf and learn both how to write specs and how to build proper AV	13:49
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DocScrutinizer	N900 is absolutely compliant to OMTP LC requirements	13:55
DocScrutinizer	as are all other Nokia devices since 2007, afaik	13:55
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flexxxv	ok new plan ;) how should I communicate with a device that uses i2c communication bus if I'm using c++? just using /sys/class/i2c-adapter/?	14:09
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DocScrutinizer	yes?	14:11
DocScrutinizer	if there's no dedicated kernel driver...	14:11
DocScrutinizer	in which case the former approach will fail	14:11
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flexxxv	so just write "echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/somthing" in c++?	14:12
DocScrutinizer	sigh	14:12
flexxxv	should get a book about c c++ and linux kernel and harware programmin :D	14:13
DocScrutinizer	system("echo this is a noobs printf line in C")	14:13
flexxxv	I mean just translate this to c++ ...	14:13
flexxxv	lol :D	14:13
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DocScrutinizer	flexxxv: if there's a sysfs node that takes ascii writes like "1" then you write "1" to that node, no matter which language	14:17
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DocScrutinizer	the beauty of Unix: everything looks very similar regardless of the used coding paradigm, and just everything is a file	14:18
tobis87	crashanddie: Hi, I got the kernel from MohammedAG working which has cfg80211 not built-in the kernel. However the injection driver crashes after insertion: http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE But I should now be able to compile a recent version with compat-wireless, however the n900 doesn't seem to like the config.mk, do you have a static version, which doesn't need autoconf?	14:19
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: MohammadAG51: ^^^	14:20
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RST38h	Doc: FAIL	14:23
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RST38h	Doc: You want beauty, go Plan9	14:23
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: sorry?	14:27
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FIQ\|n900	does anyone in here know if my unlimited price plan for three SE also will take affect on Ireland three network?	14:36
FIQ\|n900	s/price/data/	14:36
infobot	FIQ\|n900 meant: does anyone in here know if my unlimited data plan for three SE also will take affect on Ireland three network?	14:36
FIQ\|n900	In denmark it worked fine, but it may be because it's scandinavic as well	14:36
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Arkenoi	Well, plan9 was designed to be Unix "as it intended to be". But actual implementation is said to be full of ugly kludges as well :-(	14:38
ieatlint	dude, just wait for hurd, it's going to be awesome	14:39
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DocScrutinizer	lol	14:59
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DocScrutinizer	who was the user who asked about other cmdline apps broken due to CR key mapped to NK-Enter instead of proper Return? Here's another example: htop	15:05
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kerio	you can rebind it	15:06
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flexxxv	anyway to auto format a script with tabs? I've found a long scripts that is hard to read because of issing tabs :(	15:08
flux	docscrutinizer, it's plain annoying, but ctrl-j has worked for me	15:08
DocScrutinizer51	ctrl-m here, iirc	15:08
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flux	possibly so, ctrl-j might be an emacsism	15:09
DocScrutinizer51	one is cr, the other nl (0x10, 0x13)	15:11
mgedmin	and various stty modes remap one to the other or vice versa	15:12
DocScrutinizer51	depending on stty usualy one is translated to the other	15:12
DocScrutinizer51	lol, yes	15:13
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crashanddie	stty -echo	15:15
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MohammadAG	mainwindow.h:6:33: error: QMaemo5InformationBox: No such file or directory	15:16
MohammadAG	grr, wtf?	15:16
DocScrutinizer51	this probably has no effect for programs like less / or htop search though	15:17
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MohammadAG	w00t_, poke, you use it in facebrick :)	15:17
w00t_	QT += maemo5	15:17
MohammadAG	oh, pro file	15:19
MohammadAG	thanks :)	15:19
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DocScrutinizer	iDent, Apple's new electric toothbrush	15:37
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MohammadAG	naw, I thought it dents cars	15:39
* MohammadAG cancels order		15:39
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ilius	where is the save folder for maep?	15:42
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sssnnz	hi [PG]Aex	16:53
sssnnz	wejp: "In other words, the U.S. Government is taking exactly the position of the UAE and the Saudis: no communications are permitted to be beyond the surveillance reach of U.S. authorities."	16:53
sssnnz	you http://boingboing.net/2010/09/27/obama-administration.html	16:54
[PG]Aex	Hows it hanging?=)	16:54
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sssnnz	The mother fucking cock sucking assholes want to spy on you	16:54
tobis87	MohammadAG: I have got your kernel working (omap1), the zImage file was corrupted, so I extracted it from the deb and converted it. Flashed it and copied cfg80211, it does work however the injection stuff reboots the kernel.	16:55
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[PG]Aex	o.O	16:55
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MohammadAG	tobis87, oh cool, so your phone booted up :P	16:58
tobis87	Yes, the default modules are compatible, but the injection stuff is not http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE	16:58
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tobis87	But it should now be possible to use a newer version of the driver, could you try compiling http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.35/compat-wireless-2.6.35-1.tar.bz2 in scratchbox with the modified omap1 kernel header files? The autoconf stuff gives me headaches on the device.	17:00
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tobis87	since I don't have scratchbox, I compile on the device... But this autoconf script config.mk totally gets messed up.	17:03
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tobis87	You have to run in the folder ./scripts/driver-select wl12xx; make	17:08
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darrik	i recently wrote a qt desktop widget for the n900 using the qmaemo5homescreenadaptor class as provided in the example	17:17
darrik	everything works as expected, but when i remove my widget from the desktop, the process zombies	17:17
DocScrutinizer51	hehe	17:18
darrik	anyone else have this experience, or know if there's somethign you're supposed to do cleanup-wise?	17:18
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tobis87	http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/09/29/did-the-stuxnet-worm-kill-indias-insat-4b-satellite/	17:23
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DocScrutinizer	darrik: aiui all desktop widgets are started by a single hildon desktop process inside that context. That's why a single broken widget can make whole desktop fail, or at least no widgets are loaded that come after the broken one in sequence of startup. (disclaimer: all AIUI and AFAIK!). Maybe this is also related when it comes to stopping a widget. Try killall hildon-desktop - it'll restart automatically	17:25
DocScrutinizer	heh, our stuxnet performs really better than expected :-D	17:26
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Maemo	hello	17:28
Maemo	is there anyone help me?	17:28
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, hildon-desktop doesn't handle widgets	17:28
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MohammadAG	hildon-home does	17:28
tobis87	Could you get it to compile?	17:29
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: k, still I think a killall h-d will aslo reload all widgets	17:29
lardman	Maemo: just ask	17:29
MohammadAG	h-h*	17:30
Maemo	i cant instal apps via synaptic package manager what should i do? my error is : subprocess rm cleanup returned error exit status 1	17:30
MohammadAG	tobis87, ?	17:30
Maemo	i have synaptic package manager with easydebian	17:30
Maemo	plz help me	17:31
sssnnz	Maemo: does apt-get work?	17:31
ZogG	Maemo good nick and name i would say	17:31
tobis87	MohammadAG: (16:00:56) tobis87: But it should now be possible to use a newer version of the driver, could you try compiling http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.35/compat-wireless-2.6.35-1.tar.bz2 in scratchbox with the modified omap1 kernel header files? The autoconf stuff gives me headaches on the device.	17:31
Maemo	no unable to install aplications!l	17:32
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tobis87	MohammadAG: (16:08:15) tobis87: You have to run in the folder ./scripts/driver-select wl12xx; make	17:32
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DocScrutinizer	ZogG: Maemo: I'll not agree with ZogG here. 'maemo' is one of the 'reserved words' and shouldn't be used for nicks, like 'admin' or 'freenode' or 'staff' or 'root'	17:33
tobis87	Maemo: Could you try to install the app in the console, as root, apt-get install appname. And post the error on pastebin	17:34
ZogG	DocScrutinizer do bot understand ~wiki?	17:34
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ZogG	~wiki sarcasm	17:34
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{worldwide view}} 'Sarcasm' is “a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt.” Oxford English Dictionary Some authorities sharply distinguish sarcasm from irony, Eric Partridge, "Usage and Abusage", Penguin, 1969. “Irony must not be confused with sarcasm, which is direct: sarcasm means precisely what it says, but in a sharp, caustic, ... manner." ...	17:34
ZogG	DocScrutinizer ^	17:34
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Maemo	no i cant	17:34
ZogG	check his name, he is n900 - so it's ok	17:34
Maemo	i cant install any app hmm:(	17:35
ZogG	Maemo look it as a good thing, it's not that you can't — you just don't need	17:35
DocScrutinizer	I'll check his registration, and evetually kick him	17:35
ZogG	DocScrutinizer i think he is from phone	17:35
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Maemo	should i change my nick?	17:36
ZogG	Maemo use /nick user_4_help	17:36
DocScrutinizer	yes, much appreciated	17:36
ZogG	Maemo yes	17:36
Maemo	okok	17:36
tobis87	Yes, but the console is a bit more verbose... So we can see what the problem is	17:36
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ZogG	parsapersian if you use xchat on n900 i would recommend you to make autonick for any nick you wish	17:37
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parsapersian	oh tnx :)	17:37
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yacc	Wondering, as the browser in the N900 is mozilla derived, does it support firefox/mozilla addons?	17:37
parsapersian	but what should i do with synaptic?!	17:37
kerio	yacc: somewhat	17:37
yacc	(ad block is personal favorite, ...)	17:38
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wmarone	yacc: mostly no, due to the UI changes	17:38
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tybollt	lool	17:38
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tybollt	how do I sync my ovi contacts w/ google contacts?	17:38
tybollt	:S	17:38
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delt	extras repository seems to be back up as far as i can see?	17:43
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delt	installing stuff from extras, seems to work fine...	17:47
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ZogG	talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=830128#post830128	17:54
delt	topic	17:55
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ZogG	delt ?	17:55
delt	Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid \| * extras repository is temporarily broken *	17:56
delt	(topic)	17:56
delt	of this channel	17:56
MohammadAG	what about it	17:56
MohammadAG	what about it	17:56
delt	still says extras repo is down	17:56
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MohammadAG	it's not a live status thingy	17:57
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delt	well, i'd expect irc to be more up to date than a web page, no?	17:57
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MohammadAG	I'm not an op	17:58
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pexi	nerf op	17:59
mgedmin	actually what's the point of saying "extras is down" in the topic?	17:59
MohammadAG	less spam	17:59
lcuk	the topic is far too long!	17:59
Myrtti	to avoid repeating it alover	17:59
Myrtti	meh language fail	17:59
pexi	topic is too long	17:59
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lcuk	Myrtti, then when someone asks a silly question just point them at a FAQ page :P	18:00
lcuk	they still ask anyway	18:00
parsapersian	bye all	18:00
parsapersian	have good time	18:00
lcuk	we just say "look at topic"	18:00
MohammadAG	Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. \| Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid \| * extras repository is temporarily broken * see http://paste.debian.net/92454/ aren't really needed	18:00
pexi	like if ppl can't find maemo.org if they can find in here :)	18:00
lcuk	why do we mention nitdorid at all in the title?	18:00
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DocScrutinizer	provide proof it's really fixed for all of the repo servers in akamai serverfarm, and I'll change the topic	18:01
technomike_phone	hey guys :)	18:01
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technomike_phone	the usb connector on my n900 has just become loose :(	18:02
DocScrutinizer	lcuseems crashanddie felt like mentioning it	18:02
technomike_phone	and come out of the device	18:02
DocScrutinizer	lcuk ^^^	18:02
DocScrutinizer	meh	18:02
delt	i was just wondering why the topic still said "extras repository is temporarily broken" ...if i had checked here first instead of on the tablet, then i wouldn't be installing apps from it now.	18:02
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Termana	Get. Over. It. We aren't all nerd flingers constantly pinging the repos to see weather they have come back up	18:03
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technomike_phone	is this a known problem?	18:04
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delt	ok, so now you know that extras is back up.	18:04
*** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. \| Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid"		18:05
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delt	:D	18:05
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: where's the proof I asked for?	18:05
crashanddie	oh, you asked for proof?	18:05
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DocScrutinizer	delt: don't teach us about thinks you don't really wrap your head around	18:05
crashanddie	oh, my bad.	18:06
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delt	DocScrutinizer: sorry my bad too	18:06
* crashanddie changes topic to " Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. \| Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid \| * extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/"		18:06
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crashanddie	docscrutinizer: apologies, didn't see your comment.	18:06
* crashanddie slaps delt for inducing him in error.		18:07
DocScrutinizer	delt: if you had bothered to look at the URL page, you'd maybe undertsand it's related to loadbalancing and problem occurs on a part of the machines only	18:07
lardman	were you pregnant?	18:07
* lardman wonders why crashanddie had to be induced		18:07
* lardman glances back at #qt-maemo and even the tumbleweeds are gone now		18:07
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delt	well, i "bothered" to come here and mention that extras seems to be working perfectly from here, that's all. sorry for the confusion	18:09
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crashanddie	lardman, induction has to do with pregnancy? I should warn my girlfriend if she feels like cooking again.	18:09
lardman	well they "induce" a woman who's late, etc.	18:10
lardman	not using indiction heating mind you, afaik anyway	18:10
lardman	induction even	18:10
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ZogG	<lcuk> the topic is far too long! no it's not	18:13
ZogG	you see it only once	18:13
ZogG	when you log in	18:13
ZogG	and than if you don't need any info you don't watch it	18:13
ZogG	and if you do - you don't care it to be long	18:13
ZogG	as you want some info and as more as possible =)	18:14
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mgedmin	ZogG, tl;dr effect	18:14
mgedmin	people won't read a topic if it's too long	18:14
opdf2	is there an application to play a random ringtone every sms, call, etc?	18:14
mgedmin	especially if 90% of it doesn't ever change	18:14
opdf2	instead of one chosen one	18:14
ZogG	mgedmin and if it's short - you don;t need it	18:14
lardman	opdf2: no	18:15
ZogG	it's the question of IRC policy	18:15
lardman	afaik	18:15
mgedmin	for values of short equal to 0 characters	18:15
lardman	mgedmin: less than or equal to surely ;)	18:15
ZogG	if you have been on different chans for enuf time you would read topic for most important news before asking	18:15
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crashanddie	and most typically, people who ask dumb questions are the people who don't read topics	18:23
delt	ok well, thanks for the info, sorry for the confusion, and for thinking this irc channel was the most up to date source of info etc etc....	18:25
delt	bbl	18:25
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ZogG	haha	18:27
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fosstux	Hi! I'd like to install barriosquare - but where can I find it? Its not in extras...	18:27
ZogG	i hate when people i pissed of when someone didn't do for them what they expected. damn, noone here is paid for it! just do something usefull urself (	18:27
ZogG	fosstux extra-devs	18:28
fosstux	ZogG: what is the url for extras-devel for app manager?	18:29
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lardman	same as extras but with -devel tacked on the end ;)	18:30
lardman	there should already be an entry for extras btw	18:31
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fosstux	ah thanks	18:32
fosstux	for extras, yes - not extras-devel	18:32
ZogG	fosstux don't remmeber - you can find it on TMO or MO	18:32
lardman	yep, copy the extras settings and add -devel to the end of the url	18:33
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lardman	shame HAM doesn't allow one to copy then edit an existing repo	18:33
jacekowski	do it by hand	18:37
jacekowski	with nano	18:37
jacekowski	or vim	18:37
jacekowski	or vi	18:37
jacekowski	or mcedit	18:37
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tybollt	jacekowski: or emacs	18:38
tybollt	jacekowski: or ooo	18:38
tybollt	or wine and ms word	18:38
jacekowski	nope	18:38
jacekowski	ooo or word will mess up your line endings	18:38
lardman	apt-get install dos2unix	18:39
tybollt	jacekowski: :)	18:42
SpeedEvil	tr	18:42
tybollt	awk	18:42
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slonopotamus	so. looks like gentoo-on-n8x0 supports screen dimming and turning off :P	18:55
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slonopotamus	anyone knows how maemo changes wifi powersavings?	18:55
SpeedEvil	icd probably manages it	18:56
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slonopotamus	yeah, but what it does to wifi?	18:57
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slonopotamus	iwconfig wlan0 power saving N doesn't work	18:59
slonopotamus	we don't have icd sources?	19:00
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SpeedEvil	indeed.	19:00
njain	to install gcc on maemo 5, i should follow these instructions...	19:00
njain	http://ossguy.com/?p=475	19:00
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SpeedEvil	what do you mean by 'what does it do'.	19:00
slonopotamus	njain: okay	19:00
slonopotamus	SpeedEvil: well, it should end up either calling some ioctl or writing to sysfs	19:01
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SpeedEvil	ah - indeed.	19:01
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SpeedEvil	I was wondering if you were meaning on the RF side	19:01
technomike	guys would really appreciate any help on this. usb connector has become loose and fell out of my n900!!	19:02
slonopotamus	no, i just want to know how it tells what savings to use to kernel	19:02
slonopotamus	technomike: known issue, use warranty service	19:02
technomike	ah :)	19:02
technomike	thanks	19:02
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technomike	so nokia care will fix it?	19:03
wmarone	yes, give them shit if they refuse until they do	19:03
slonopotamus	technomike: yes. however they might initially try to reject you	19:03
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slonopotamus	technomike: nokia officially said they do support fixing this problem	19:03
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slonopotamus	technomike: backup first, most likely they will just replace whole motherboard	19:04
technomike	ah ok. i think i understand then. lucky then really	19:05
slonopotamus	in some cases, i heard, they just soldered connector back	19:05
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* wmarone is lucky, very lucky		19:05
technomike	oh no. i cannot backup because its the usb connection.	19:05
wmarone	back up to an SD card	19:05
technomike	ah yeah good idea lol. forgot about sd card support.	19:06
slonopotamus	or via wifi	19:06
slonopotamus	hurry up, you can't charge now :)	19:06
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technomike	oh yeah!	19:07
technomike	how to use wifi?	19:07
slonopotamus	backup to builtin sd and then copy backup toother machine	19:07
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technomike	45% charge :o oh no	19:07
slonopotamus	or upload it to a safe place	19:08
slonopotamus	dunno how long repair will take, mine took 3 weeks	19:08
technomike	i don't have a sd card available right now. would have to borrow one.	19:08
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slonopotamus	copy it via ssh/send via blueooth/upload as a gmail attachement :)	19:09
technomike	oh no :o 3 weeks !!	19:09
technomike	i am going to an event next saturday. don't have a camera available so i was going to use n900	19:10
technomike	oh well :(	19:10
technomike	just my luck!!	19:10
slonopotamus	that's normal repair time in this country :)	19:11
technomike	what country are you in ? :)	19:11
technomike	i am in UK	19:11
mgedmin	3 weeks without a n900?!!!?!	19:11
mgedmin	shock horror	19:12
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mgedmin	maybe I'd better buy a spare now before mine breaks	19:12
technomike	exactly mgedmin :(	19:12
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technomike	i am using my n900 as my computer until new laptop i am waiting for is released since i had an accident with my last laptop :(	19:13
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slonopotamus	technomike: did your n900 fall while being on charger? :)	19:14
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technomike	yeah :( exactly	19:16
technomike	accident :(	19:16
* crashanddie is writing an LDAP server... lol		19:16
slonopotamus	i'm not sure repair center needs to know that :)	19:16
technomike	haha :)	19:17
technomike	i will just say it suddenly became loose	19:17
technomike	what if they say they will not repair it?	19:17
technomike	or is it a known issue that they fix?	19:18
fosstux	I have problems refreshing extras-devel.	19:18
fosstux	I get error 404	19:18
fosstux	although I copied the extras url and added -devel	19:18
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slonopotamus	technomike: nokia officially said n900 warranty covers falling off usb connectors. you can google it up and take a printed copy with you	19:18
technomike	ah :D	19:19
technomike	brilliant	19:19
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technomike	many many thanks for your help! really appreciate it :D	19:21
technomike	i will have to go now (i am on n900)	19:21
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xDaReaperx	Hi	19:34
slonopotamus_	hi	19:34
xDaReaperx	why is it that i have to set up the IP address of my WiFi connection manually on my N900 , or else it wont connect normally	19:35
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xDaReaperx	even the DNS	19:35
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slonopotamus_	and you don't have to on some other device?	19:35
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xDaReaperx	yes	19:36
xDaReaperx	on my N95 all WiFi's connect automatically to any networks	19:36
xDaReaperx	on the N900 i have to do it manually for my home network	19:36
slonopotamus	and you enabled checkboxed "get ip/dns automatically" in connection settings?	19:37
xDaReaperx	i did that previously it didn't work	19:38
xDaReaperx	i now have to set all the details manually	19:38
slonopotamus	is it "even dns doesn't get set" or "only dns doesn't get set"?	19:38
slonopotamus	(since i saw some dns-on-n900 troubles)	19:38
xDaReaperx	i have to set the IP manually with the DNS	19:38
xDaReaperx	yes with DNS	19:39
slonopotamus	and you have that trouble with more than one AP?	19:40
xDaReaperx	yes more than one	19:40
slonopotamus	(i'd better say "and you have that trouble with APs configured by different people?")	19:40
xDaReaperx	many don't connect , i've tried to access the airport free Wifi it wont work	19:40
slonopotamus	straaange	19:41
xDaReaperx	not strange i've seen people complain about this	19:41
xDaReaperx	i didn't notice any bug's being posted about this	19:41
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xDaReaperx	i don't know if this depends on the type of Router , but some routers connect easy , like the ones in my dads office and university	19:43
slonopotamus	ahha	19:43
xDaReaperx	Some like Lynksis and SMC connect	19:43
slonopotamus	try disabling wifi powersavings	19:43
xDaReaperx	did that also	19:43
slonopotamus	doesn't help?	19:43
xDaReaperx	no dosen't	19:43
xDaReaperx	talk.maemo.org is down i guess	19:44
xDaReaperx	also the routers that i connect on has no Mac address filtering or IP Whitelisting or black listing	19:46
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xDaReaperx	shows this error if i try to connect automatically without setting the IP and stuff manually : connection failed cannot retrive IP address from server	19:46
xDaReaperx	even if DHCP is enabled	19:47
slonopotamus_	are you sure that AP doesn't have settings that might prevent it from sending dhcp info?	19:47
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xDaReaperx	i'm pretty much sure yes , cause as i said my N95 connects to them	19:48
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slonopotamus_	and reboot also doesn't help? :)	19:50
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xDaReaperx	lol i've tried to reboot a lot of times .. i tried doing that first , even tried to reboot the house router	19:50
slonopotamus_	no more ideas, sorry	19:51
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slonopotamus_	xDaReaperx: well, you can try doing some low-level stuff like analyzing traffic between ap and n900 but that isn't an easy task	19:52
xDaReaperx	Hmmm , how would that help ...	19:52
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vkvraju	hi all	19:53
slonopotamus_	either n900 doesn't ask for dhcp info or it does it in a wrong way or your ap doesn't respond or responds bad stuff or n900 receives response but doesn't handle it properly	19:54
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xDaReaperx	Hmmm ... Okay you could guide me on how to analyzie the traffic ... , although i doubt it could be a problem with just a router .. but i had doubts regarding the types of routers	19:55
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slonopotamus_	xDaReaperx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60756 similar issue	19:56
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slonopotamus_	oooh	19:57
slonopotamus_	xDaReaperx: try changing tkip to aes encryption	19:57
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xDaReaperx	how do i do that	19:57
xDaReaperx	okay the type of encryption	19:58
slonopotamus_	xDaReaperx: in router web interface wifi settings	19:58
lcuk	mgedmin, nope!	19:58
slonopotamus_	xDaReaperx: you have wpa, yep?	19:58
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xDaReaperx	yes i did it now let me see if it will connect automatically	19:58
xDaReaperx	yes Wi-Fi protected access 2	19:59
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xDaReaperx	nop still no luck	20:01
xDaReaperx	same error " Internet connection failed. Unable to retrieve IP address from server	20:02
slonopotamus_	weird	20:02
xDaReaperx	should i try changing authentication method ?	20:03
xDaReaperx	i'm using PSK	20:03
slonopotamus_	that should be ok	20:04
xDaReaperx	should i make a forum post on talk.maemo.org regarding the issue ?	20:06
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lcuk	xDaReaperx, what happens if you remove the setting profile for your ap	20:06
lcuk	and then reconnect directly as a new connection	20:06
mece	Evenin' maemites	20:06
lcuk	afaik it should select the correct auth method	20:06
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xDaReaperx	you mean from my router ?	20:08
johnsq	Hi	20:08
lcuk	xDaReaperx, I mean on your device	20:08
lcuk	so it resets to thinking its totally new and never seen the ap before	20:08
xDaReaperx	yeah i had the issue before , due to while i creater the ap profile	20:08
xDaReaperx	o	20:08
xDaReaperx	i'll try again by deleting it	20:08
lcuk	worth a try :)	20:09
xDaReaperx	same problem , the wifi icon flashs for long time & gives error : Internet connection failed. Unable to retrieve IP address from server	20:11
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xDaReaperx	deleted all saved ap's (had only 2 saved)	20:12
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xDaReaperx	so i ran out of luck .. ? or is this some kind of bug ...	20:16
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lcuk	xDaReaperx, hrm	20:19
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Gh0sty	WHAT? nokia n8 has usb-on-the-go out of the box	20:21
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Gh0sty	why does the n900 still does not have that :(	20:21
tripzero	meh	20:21
mgedmin	Gh0sty, n810 had USB on the go	20:22
Gh0sty	i've seen some reference for the n900 too	20:23
mgedmin	the n900 had software problems they couldn't fix in time to get USB compliance certification or something like that	20:23
Gh0sty	but it goes to obscure russian sites :(	20:23
lardman	cu chaps	20:23
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DocScrutinizer	To get a USB-OTG sticker for your product's box, you need to comply with all the specs for USB-OTG. Nokia wasn't able to implement all the drivers just in time to get N900 to market in 2009. So the only way to sell N900 and still not get on the black list of USB cert authorities was to change the hw to comply with much simpler USB gadget specs like every 'normal' HDD or simple phone or memstick. These changes imply it's impossible to get	20:30
DocScrutinizer	OTG ever, on N900	20:30
kerio	;_;	20:30
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kerio	they could've sold the hardware without the drivers, and get a new certification later	20:31
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xDaReaperx	Guys i've made a post on the forum regarding my WiFi problems : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=830235#post830235	20:31
DocScrutinizer	kerio: nope	20:31
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DocScrutinizer	the N900 then wouldn't be any sort of USB device, which in turn will cause Microsoft not to certify any windows driver for N900, plus a lot of other legalese foo	20:32
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DocScrutinizer	possibly Nokia getting fired from USB cert association, or dunno what. Not allowed to sell devices in Europe and China (mandatory USB charging) etc pp	20:34
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DocScrutinizer	technically it'd be possible, yes	20:35
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DocScrutinizer	btw all this has its root cause in friggin USB charging. It's hellborne	20:40
RST38h	yep	20:40
RST38h	Who the hell even decided to standardize on it? What dumbo?	20:41
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DocScrutinizer	tell me and I'll visit this brain crook at night	20:41
DocScrutinizer	with a baseball bat	20:42
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RST38h	fragile connector, insufficient current, difficulties implementing usb host, more complicated charger circuitry, more complicated receptaclecircuitry	20:43
DocScrutinizer	seems first to invent that BS were Chinese	20:43
RST38h	Motorolawas the first :)	20:43
RST38h	RAZR	20:43
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DocScrutinizer	oh yes. Moto with al the abomination and violent rapes they did to USB	20:44
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DocScrutinizer	headsets over USB, charging over USB, car stereo over USB, glitters&shit over USB. That's for shure been MOTOROLA	20:45
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DocScrutinizer	curse them for that, until hell freezes over	20:46
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kerio	motorola needs to die a slow death	20:51
wmarone	or stop locking their bootloaders	20:52
wmarone	either way would be good, imo	20:53
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DocScrutinizer	stop locking bootloader? They need to stop doing anything, to make them stop doing bad things	21:06
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DocScrutinizer	honestly last good thing I noticed coming from Moto was Amiga's CPU	21:08
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DocScrutinizer	back then Intel was the troll of hw scene with their braindead 80186 CPU	21:10
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GAN900	G4!	21:14
GAN900	PPC can only really be faulted for not having x86's economies of scale.	21:15
kerio	RISC > CISC after all	21:16
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GAN900	Wonder if the next generation of consoles will have PPC again.	21:18
kerio	again?	21:18
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kerio	both the wii and the x360 have PPC CPUs	21:19
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kerio	while, of course, THE PS3 HAS NO GAEMZ and thus it can't be qualified as a gaming console	21:20
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luke-jr_	kerio: look up what 'again' means	21:24
GAN900	kerio, maybe that was right in 2006.	21:25
RST38h	no future for ppc	21:25
GAN900	kerio, I mean, sometime in 2012/2013	21:25
luke-jr_	kerio: you can run Nibbles on PS3‼!	21:25
RST38h	intel or amd	21:25
* luke-jr_ stabs RST38h in the face with a G5		21:25
RST38h	something like tegra2 for portables	21:26
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GAN900	luke-jr, careful, you'll melt his face off.	21:27
GAN900	Ew, Nvidia.	21:28
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GAN900	RST38h, game consoles seem to be a pretty big future.	21:28
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luke-jr_	GAN900: that's the goal	21:32
GAN900	The 970fx was, like, 140w TDP, no?	21:34
GAN900	I think I lost hearing in my left ear from mine. g	21:34
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juk_	help me port man(1)	21:35
luke-jr_	no	21:36
juk_	luke-jr_: what?	21:36
* luke-jr_ helps those who help themselves.		21:36
luke-jr_	<.<	21:36
juk_	luke-jr_: im serious	21:37
luke-jr_	juk_: install EasyDebian or Gentoo	21:38
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juk_	luke-jr_: Gentoo also in repo???	21:40
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luke-jr_	juk_: … Gentoo is an OS	21:41
luke-jr_	or meta-OS	21:41
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juk_	luke-jr_: yeah, i meant is it made available like easydebian?	21:42
luke-jr_	juk_: no	21:42
luke-jr_	juk_: you install it basically the same as you install Gentoo anywhere else	21:42
juk_	luke-jr_: on sdcard right?	21:43
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luke-jr_	shrug	21:43
luke-jr_	I installed it on eMMC	21:43
luke-jr_	with /var/tmp on SD	21:43
juk_	luke-jr_: wow, do you got step by step manual?	21:44
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luke-jr_	no	21:44
luke-jr_	the Maemo wiki has a page on reparitioning eMMC	21:44
luke-jr_	Gentoo handbook has info on installs	21:44
jacekowski	is there ARM stage3?	21:44
luke-jr_	the Gentoo-on-N8x0 page might have relevant tips otherwise	21:44
juk_	luke-jr_: you build it?	21:44
luke-jr_	jacekowski: of course, mulitple	21:45
jacekowski	hmmm	21:45
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jacekowski	how long does it take to compile?	21:45
luke-jr_	jacekowski: shrug	21:45
juk_	luke-jr_: did you build it or image?	21:45
jacekowski	ah, it's still compiling?	21:45
luke-jr_	juk_: native	21:46
luke-jr_	jacekowski: no, I just didn't time it	21:46
juk_	luke-jr_: wow	21:46
luke-jr_	jacekowski: probably less time than my first Gentoo install took	21:46
luke-jr_	600 MHz ARM should outperform 800 MHz PIII I think	21:46
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jacekowski	i installed gentoo on arm long time ago	21:47
jacekowski	and i was going from stage0	21:47
ShadowJK	luke-jr, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/whatswap.png	21:47
jacekowski	it took ages to build	21:47
juk_	luke-jr_: so you have, gnome or openbox?	21:47
luke-jr_	juk_: KDE	21:47
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juk_	luke-jr_: wow, amazing	21:48
jacekowski	ShadowJK: fresh boot?	21:48
jacekowski	ShadowJK: quite low mem usage	21:48
luke-jr_	jacekowski: there is no stage0, never has been	21:48
ShadowJK	jacekowski, luke claimed it's impossible	21:48
luke-jr_	juk_: less amazing than your GNOME suggestion	21:48
luke-jr_	juk_: GNOME is far more bloated than KDE, and far less usable	21:48
jacekowski	luke-jr_: stage0 mean bootstraping it from scratches using crosscompiler	21:48
slonopotamus	-.-	21:49
luke-jr_	as slonopotamus here just learned recently :D	21:49
apexi200sx	anyone using python for development	21:50
slonopotamus	jacekowski, that's what we did.	21:50
luke-jr_	jacekowski: we did?	21:50
luke-jr_	pretty sure I used Gentoo's official stage3	21:50
apexi200sx	basically i want to develop on a mobile device with python and maemo seems to have the best support	21:50
luke-jr_	err, slonopotamus:	21:50
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: boo Python!	21:50
apexi200sx	lol y	21:50
luke-jr_	it annoy me	21:51
baraujo	apexi200sx, you can go to #pymaemo, and if you like Qt you can go to #pyside too :)	21:51
slonopotamus	luke-jr_, no, you didn't. you used stage3 i built (there was no armv6 stage at that time)	21:51
luke-jr_	slonopotamus: I only just got my N900 a few months ago	21:51
slonopotamus	hmm	21:51
slonopotamus	n900, yep, you're right then	21:52
apexi200sx	i am not sure whether to get a n900 or wait, do you know of any maemo devices coming out	21:52
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: Maemo is dead. there will never be another Maemo device.	21:52
apexi200sx	luke-jr-: why does it annoy you, what do dev in then	21:52
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: as whether you should get N900 or not, depends on what you want	21:52
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: C	21:52
luke-jr_	or Perl	21:52
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apexi200sx	luke-jr-: i take it you haven;t used python then	21:53
slonopotamus	apexi200sx, python is slow and bloated.	21:53
apexi200sx	are we talking too ? slow for use on a maemo device	21:54
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: I have. Python makes my head hurt.	21:54
luke-jr_	I regret that I started one long-term project in it.	21:54
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slonopotamus	on maemo device, memory is a much tighter constraint.	21:55
juk_	hey thanks to python im using Gmapcatcher	21:55
apexi200sx	luke-jr_: Strange how peoples minds differ then, in my opinion Python is one of the cleanest and elegant languages	21:55
slonopotamus	apexi200sx, you messed up, it's haskell is clean and elegant.	21:56
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luke-jr_	lol	21:56
slonopotamus	s/it's//	21:56
infobot	slonopotamus meant: apexi200sx, you messed up, haskell is clean and elegant.	21:56
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lcuk	python is just another tool available for use, in relation to other languages its not as optimal but that doesn't matter to everyone	21:56
luke-jr_	pretty-looking != useful	21:56
slonopotamus	luke-jr_, i didn't say useful :)	21:56
RST38h	apex: how many other prog languages do you know and what has been byour first language?	21:57
slonopotamus	my first language was perl :) that totally screwed up my taste	21:57
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* luke-jr_ bets anyone who likes Python doesn't know many (if any) other languages		21:57
lcuk	i like python for some uses	21:58
lcuk	the same ones I would use .vbs for actually	21:58
apexi200sx	Well in my day job i unfortunately have to deal with C++ and VB6	21:58
slonopotamus	lcuk, indentation!!!	21:58
lcuk	slonopotamus, doesnt matter	21:58
luke-jr_	meh	21:58
luke-jr_	compared to C++ and VB6, Python has a good shot	21:58
luke-jr_	:p	21:58
lcuk	apexi200sx, :) i got shouted at by many for saying I was a vb6 developer ;)	21:58
luke-jr_	especially if that's MSVC++ and not real C++	21:58
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luke-jr_	also, anyone still using VB6 today should be shot	21:59
luke-jr_	<.<	21:59
lcuk	c++ and vb6 are both compiled languages tho	21:59
lcuk	python is closest to vbs :P	21:59
lcuk	luke-jr_, github describes liqbase as a visual basic project	21:59
slonopotamus	:D	21:59
lcuk	http://github.com/lcuk	22:00
apexi200sx	python is nothing like vbs	22:00
lcuk	liqbase-playground rather - on the repository list	22:00
lcuk	apexi200sx, sure it is	22:00
luke-jr_	lcuk: I only exclude you from the firing squad cuz liqbase is coolish	22:00
slonopotamus	from #meego-arm: "Under connectivity related settings, there were GPS, WiFi, 3G, Bluetooth and airplane." o_O	22:00
lcuk	python and vbs are interpreted and can bring in elements of main os	22:00
lcuk	luke-jr_, the worst part is that liqbase is all c :P	22:01
DocScrutinizer51	msvs is great :-P	22:01
apexi200sx	is it object oriented	22:01
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lcuk	apexi200sx, IDK	22:01
lcuk	it doesnt matter	22:01
lcuk	its a scripting skin	22:01
luke-jr_	apexi200sx: what kind of object oriented?	22:01
luke-jr_	class-based (C++, Python, Java), prototype-based (MOO), or hybrid (ECMAScript)?	22:02
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RST38h	Govt To Bomb Guam With Frozen Mice To Kill Snakes	22:04
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slonopotamus	what do i need to ioctl/sysfs in order to enable wifi psm?	22:05
ShadowJK	oh great, 3 minutes at work and I hear n900 skype disconnect	22:06
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DocScrutinizer51	hmm	22:06
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slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer51, ^	22:06
lcuk	ShadowJK, at home if i connect via 3g	22:07
lcuk	I will connect/reconnect routinely every 30 mins or so	22:07
DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: SIM issue? are you sure?	22:07
DocScrutinizer51	skype discon looks to me like simple connectivity loss	22:07
DocScrutinizer51	slonopotamus: dunno	22:08
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dRbiG	does anyone managed to get networking over usb under win 7?	22:09
DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: at work your 3G BTS might suck and N900 tries to roam to 2G which maybe isn't supported by Ur carrier	22:09
slonopotamus	dRbiG, didn't ms support help you?	22:09
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dRbiG	slonopotamus: hehe ;)	22:10
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slonopotamus	dRbiG, wut? i thought if you legally bought windoze, you get support from ms.	22:11
slonopotamus	(and maemo-side usb networking is fully documented)	22:12
dRbiG	slonopotamus: ms support dosen't have anything in connection to my question	22:13
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* slonopotamus once called HP support because couldn't boot linux on dc7600. they said 'oh no, it doesn't support linux, use windows'. and after some googling i found user-contributed solition on hp forum :D		22:14
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dRbiG	slonopotamus: that's why i ask here	22:14
dRbiG	slonopotamus: and i too have hp hardware	22:15
dRbiG	btw. i ask if, not how :P	22:15
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juk_	dRbiG: that's why type in browser n900 usb networking hit enter and pick first link	22:17
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nox-	moin	22:18
pupnik	oin	22:19
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nox-	moin pupnik	22:21
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* nox- finally got the maemo xterm to behave...		22:22
nox-	xterm-n900,\n\trmkx@, smkx@, kcub1=\E[D, kcud1=\E[B, kcuf1=\E[C, kcuu1=\E[A, use=xterm,	22:23
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nox-	get that thru tic(1), set TERM to it, and finally less vim & friends behave... :)	22:24
marmoute	nox-: mutt will work too ?	22:24
nox-	(some more tweaking needed when ssh'ing to a bsd box but i guess few use one here... :)	22:24
slonopotamus	nox-, what does that thing do?	22:24
nox-	marmoute, ssh'd to another box mutt works too	22:24
marmoute	yeah	22:26
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marmoute	get that thru tic(1) ?	22:26
nox-	slonopotamus, tic is the terminfo `compiler'	22:26
slonopotamus	nox-, i mean, that string	22:27
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nox-	part of ncurses-base on debian, not sure if maemo has it too	22:27
nox-	slonopotamus, redefines those terminfo fields that n900 interprets wrong	22:28
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slonopotamus	sounds cool	22:28
nox-	resp disables (trmkx@ smkx@)	22:28
slonopotamus	:D	22:28
nox-	export TERMCAP='xterm-n900\|N900 xterm:ks@:ke@:kl=\E[D:kd=\E[B:kr=\E[C:ku=\E[A:tc=xterm:'	22:29
slonopotamus	does it fix ESCOM?	22:29
nox-	that what i do on bsd	22:29
nox-	yep	22:29
nox-	and on bsd i need a ~/.screenrc with this too: termcapinfo xterm ks@:ke@:kl=\E[D:kd=\E[B:kr=\E[C:ku=\E[A	22:29
nox-	cause screen usets TERMCAP before it starts...	22:29
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marmoute	...	22:30
nox-	(it passes its own TERMCAP to child processes, guess thats why)	22:31
slonopotamus	marmoute, that's how magic happens	22:31
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nox-	marmoute, bsd only needs `special treatment' bc it doesnt seem to handle ~/.terminfo	22:32
nox-	(ofc i _could_ have tic just install a global definition too but thats ugly and not everyone is root :)	22:33
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Stskeeps	evening rkirti	22:34
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nox-	oh s/usets/unsets/	22:35
DocScrutinizer	HOOORAAAYY!!! >:-(	22:35
* Stskeeps passes DocScrutinizer a cake		22:36
DocScrutinizer	imported contacs from sim on old device, then swapped sim to new device, did same. Now today imported vcf contacts from old to new device - result: BUTLOADS of dups	22:36
nox-	eww	22:37
DocScrutinizer	friggin BS	22:37
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DocScrutinizer	now if that goddamn addressbook had a proper scripting interface, it'd be pretty simple to manage that mess. But alas I seem to have to go thru contacts GUI, contact by contact, compare, and then delete. CYA tomorrow... yuck	22:40
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Stskeeps	isn't there an api?	22:40
Stskeeps	:P	22:40
DocScrutinizer	fsckng C api, yes	22:41
DocScrutinizer	I could as well export all contacts to vcf, process on desktop with unix standards tools, and then delete the whole augias on N900 and import proper on clean	22:42
DocScrutinizer	USELESS Nokia, COMPLETELY USELESS!	22:43
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DocScrutinizer	congrats to differentiate	22:44
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DocScrutinizer	half assed approach to import/export every record of that friggin berkley db to vcf. BTW a task that'd be done in SQL by a one-liner. Obviously nobody cared to think about why anybody would need that - and how it's gonna be used in real life	22:46
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nox-	yeah you have to wonder...	22:47
nox-	:/	22:47
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DocScrutinizer	resembles an electrician who's told "place a light switch here next to the door please" and he's placing a switch there, but of course without any cable leading to it	22:49
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how much ignorance or hate must be there inside parts and between subgroups of maemo team		22:50
Stskeeps	are you done ranting?	22:50
Stskeeps	:P	22:50
DocScrutinizer	yes, definitely	22:50
DocScrutinizer	thanks for your patience	22:50
Stskeeps	normal people send bombs instead or burn company logos	22:51
Stskeeps	:P	22:51
luke-jr_	really?	22:52
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, there's an app.	22:52
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: I'm short of C4	22:54
DocScrutinizer	recently :-P	22:54
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: name, URL ?	22:54
GAN900	It's in Extras.	22:55
GAN900	Don't recall the name, lost it after my proto died.	22:55
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DocScrutinizer	ok, that somewhat narrows the search params X-P	22:55
DocScrutinizer	nevertheless big thanks for letting me know	22:56
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DocScrutinizer	marco barisione - who else :-))) "Merge your duplicate contacts 0.1.3-0"	23:07
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h4xordood	heya :)	23:08
h4xordood	hey anyone install maemo global on n900 ?	23:09
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h4xordood	i installed it shows 234mb on my rootfs, is that alright ?	23:09
h4xordood	when i had maemo india there was 27gb partition also which i dont see now	23:10
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jacktheripper	is there a tool like 'cat' that can update the contents when the file changes ?	23:13
jacktheripper	that shows a 'live' view of the file I meant	23:14
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DocScrutinizer	barisione: you saved my day :-D Thanks a lot	23:16
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pupnik	?	23:17
RST38h	jack: tail -f	23:17
RST38h	and hello pupnik	23:17
jacktheripper	RST38h: it only works for new lines added, I need to update old ones too	23:18
DocScrutinizer51	jacktheripper: or get real less, and simply press F	23:18
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h4xordood	DocScrutinizer51: can u answer my question o.O	23:19
DocScrutinizer51	or - from cmdline - less +F myfiletocheck	23:19
DocScrutinizer51	dunno, what IS your question?	23:20
h4xordood	DocScrutinizer51: i installed maemo global on my device	23:20
h4xordood	and without booting flashed with vanilla	23:20
DocScrutinizer51	mhm	23:20
DocScrutinizer51	mhm	23:20
h4xordood	now my rootfs is 234 mb	23:20
h4xordood	when there was indian version i saw one partition with 27gb	23:20
h4xordood	but now its not ther	23:21
DocScrutinizer51	sorry you compltely lost me	23:21
h4xordood	k :(	23:22
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DocScrutinizer51	the 27GB s /home/user/MyDocs	23:22
h4xordood	yes	23:22
DocScrutinizer51	always been	23:22
h4xordood	i dont see after installing maemo global	23:23
h4xordood	:( why so	23:23
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DocScrutinizer51	to me it seems you failed on the 'don't boot' part. I strongly recommend to FIRST flash VANILLA, then flash COMBINED	23:24
h4xordood	ok	23:24
h4xordood	so first vanilla should be flashed?	23:25
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zap	Anybody knows what the f*k happened with libsdl-ttf2.0? Older applications depend on libsdl-ttf2.0-0, and newer pygame lists it now as libsdl-ttf2.0... as a result, I have a total dependency mess now.	23:25
zap	(and yes, there are two different packages, one named libsdl-ttf2.0 and other libsdl-ttf2.0-0)	23:26
zap	(and of course they conflict)	23:26
DocScrutinizer51	if you want to clean all your MyDocs then yes. Otherwise do NOT flash VANILLA at all (I guess its too late for you)	23:26
DocScrutinizer51	h4xordood: it's suggested the other way round all over the place, nevertheless it's better to flash vanilla first, if you're goin to flash vanilla at all	23:28
h4xordood	ah okay i wont to make n900 new	23:28
h4xordood	so that means first vanilla and then combined	23:28
GNUtoo\|laptop	hi, I'm trying to flash and boot a self-compiled zImage that looks for the rootfs on microsd with 0xFFFF, and it doesn't seem to boot when I disconnect the usb cable, I've framebuffer console for debugging purposes and it doesn't show up anything and is in an endless reboot with the nokia image, but with the usb cable connected it boots	23:29
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h4xordood	DocScrutinizer51: thnx :)	23:29
DocScrutinizer51	yw	23:29
DocScrutinizer51	just ommit the -R on all your flasher cmdlines	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	DocScrutinizer51, ah? but I want the kernel permanant	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	such as I'm outside and I power on the device	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	without a computer	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	but I'll try	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	-D should be set to 0,1 or 2 ?	23:30
DocScrutinizer51	GNUtoo\|laptop: eh?	23:30
GNUtoo\|laptop	./0xFFFF -p kernel%/home/gnutoo/embedded/oe/oetmps/nokia900/work/nokia900-oe-linux-gnueabi/linux-2.6.28-r55/linux-2.6.28/arch/arm/boot/zImage -R -D 1	23:31
GNUtoo\|laptop	I used that	23:31
GNUtoo\|laptop	and the help says:	23:31
GNUtoo\|laptop	-D [0\|1\|2] sets the root device to flash (0), mmc (1) or usb (2)	23:31
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GNUtoo\|laptop	which I didn't understood	23:31
DocScrutinizer51	maybe I'm wrong at -R for reboot, but I once ahain don't get a single word	23:31
GNUtoo\|laptop	ok	23:32
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GNUtoo\|laptop	you mean?	23:32
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DocScrutinizer51	I'm not talking bout 0xFFFF	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	I don't get a single world?	23:32
MohammadAG	which device is this?	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	or you don't	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	?	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	ok	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	n900	23:32
MohammadAG	0xFFFF isn't for the n900, some functions work though	23:32
GNUtoo\|laptop	ah?	23:32
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DocScrutinizer51	GNUtoo\|laptop: btw that's #maemo	23:33
GNUtoo\|laptop	where should I ask? I use maemo's kernel	23:34
GNUtoo\|laptop	2.6.28 with some patches	23:34
DocScrutinizer51	we're talking bout a simple reflash of stock PR1.2	23:34
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GNUtoo\|laptop	ah you weren't talking to me	23:34
GNUtoo\|laptop	sorry then	23:35
DocScrutinizer51	ask here, but make clear what's it all about	23:35
MohammadAG	use flasher-3.5	23:35
GNUtoo\|laptop	that's why I put a very long description	23:35
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DocScrutinizer	GNUtoo\|laptop: interferred with h4xordood answer to flashing problem :-D	23:36
GNUtoo\|laptop	ah ouch sorry	23:36
GNUtoo\|laptop	if he wants back his default kernel I know how	23:37
MohammadAG	apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-modules kernel-flasher	23:37
GNUtoo\|laptop	that's if he can boot	23:38
GNUtoo\|laptop	I know how if it doesn't boot anymore	23:38
MohammadAG	stock PR1.2 zImage for flasher-3.5 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage.bin	23:38
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MohammadAG	flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R, everyone knows how to do it	23:39
MohammadAG	~flashing	23:39
infobot	flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:39
GNUtoo\|laptop	ah ok	23:39
GNUtoo\|laptop	I used that:	23:39
GNUtoo\|laptop	http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/N900Install#Uninstallation	23:39
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: minus "-R"	23:40
DocScrutinizer	"-R" is deprecated :-P	23:40
MohammadAG	it isn't, sed can deprecate it well :P	23:40
DocScrutinizer	if I'm right about -R == reboot	23:41
h4xordood	i used this command ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f	23:41
h4xordood	now wihtout booting	23:41
h4xordood	i have to use this > ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f ?	23:41
DocScrutinizer	yes	23:41
DocScrutinizer	and you'll probably want to remove battery, insert it again, and hold 'u' when you plug to USB	23:42
DocScrutinizer	as usually it won't do a second flashing without powercycling the device, though you can try to just fire that second command and see if it succeeds	23:43
javispedro	is -R deprecated now? oh.	23:43
javispedro	on the N8x0 it would really NOT reboot =), thus staying forever in NOLO...	23:43
yacc	Any HowTOs how to get more software on the N900? (The ovistore is a joke, ...)	23:43
GAN900	Extras?	23:43
DocScrutinizer	LOL	23:43
MohammadAG	javispedro, even when replacnig the battery	23:44
GAN900	~extras	23:44
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras	23:44
MohammadAG	?	23:44
MohammadAG	replacing	23:44
javispedro	MohammadAG: ofc not, actually you could even send more flasher commands to it	23:44
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MohammadAG	grr, why did you N810 guys have all the fun	23:44
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* DocScrutinizer whistles the funeral march, silently		23:47
DocScrutinizer	RIP tmo :-P	23:48
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javispedro	bring out the champagne	23:48
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nox-	heh and i was just wondering whether i should post the xterm stuff somewhere...	23:49
E0x	MohammadAG: why you say that ( the fun in n810 ) ?	23:49
DocScrutinizer	cheers on a better world to come :-D	23:49
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MohammadAG	or the #maemo apocalypse	23:50
MohammadAG	we need a backup channel	23:50
DocScrutinizer	eeeeek DUCK AND COVER	23:50
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javispedro	what, no #overflow?	23:51
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DocScrutinizer	sure, #maemo has join-throttling :-D thanks for reminder	23:51
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nox-	.oO(that reminds me of the wikipedia channels whenever that is down...)	23:53
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nox-	:)	23:53
DocScrutinizer	hrhrhrrr It's dead, Jim	23:54
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* DocScrutinizer watching tmo lemmings jumping off the cliff in panic		23:54
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DocScrutinizer	for those who don't get what all this is about: remove that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line from your etc/hosts :-P	23:56
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pupnik	link DocScrutinizer	23:56
DocScrutinizer	LOL	23:57
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DocScrutinizer	touche'	23:57
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nox-	mailinglists still up? or should i just put it on a private page?	23:58
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javispedro	tmo is hosted on entirely different server	23:59
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DocScrutinizer	http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org	23:59
nox-	ok but are the lists going the same death soon too? or was DocScrutinizer just joking? :)	23:59

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