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| daleglass | Ok, something odd is going on. I rebooted, now /home/user/MyDocs seems gone, and I get "Stale NFS handle" when I try to mount it | 00:06 |
| daleglass | I'm pretty sure I didn't touch anything that could have done that | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | daleglass: ouch | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck.vfat to be precise | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky it will fix it | 00:07 |
| daleglass | DocScrutinizer: it dumps a bunch of numbers, sector numbers I'm guessing. It outputs checked clusters and files stats, but doesn't say anything about fixing anything, or finding anything wrong | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'stale NFS handle' is fs-driver's standard comment when something's so fubar it doesn't make nay sense at all | 00:09 |
| daleglass | well that's just awesome | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | daleglass: check the mountpoint fs | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | daleglass: actually I fail to see how a VFAT could have any NFS handles at all, no matter if stale or not. Maybe I'm wrong | 00:12 |
| daleglass | DocScrutinizer: hm, good call. I can mount vfat in a directory in /tmp/ | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:12 |
| daleglass | ok, so I figure that means /home is broken. What now? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | umount /home, fsck.ext3 | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | this might get tricky though | 00:13 |
| daleglass | can't unmount it, there's a bunch of stuff using it | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well - a full reflash will probably fix it. But I guess that's not exactly what you want to do? | 00:14 |
| daleglass | would like to avoid it if possible | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | toss in the fsck to the init scripts, just before the mount commands? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | MNZ, those are awesome! | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | the worst thing that can happen is you create a bootloop and have to reflash :-P | 00:16 |
| * lcuk has some similar | 00:16 | |
| * MNZ has nothing this awesome :( | 00:17 | |
| lcuk | MNZ, then now is the time! | 00:17 |
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| MNZ | Right on top of my list of things to do. Just need to start coding something :P hehe | 00:18 |
| zash | Who doesn't "Just need to start coding something" ;P | 00:18 |
| MNZ | zash, the folks at #meego-arm apparently :P | 00:20 |
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| kerio | daleglass: hmm | 00:21 |
| kerio | fsck in readonly | 00:21 |
| kerio | see if there's actually a problem there | 00:21 |
| lcuk | lol MNZ | 00:21 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, remember that audio cookbook thingie? I got it implemented with a gui and all today morning. | 00:23 |
| MNZ | It doesn't work | 00:23 |
| daleglass | kerio: pretty sure there is, I noticed there was no MyDocs in /home/user, and got the NFS handle thing when trying to mkdir it | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: :-S | 00:26 |
| MNZ | don't get me wrong, not the HW/kernel side. The equations have something wrong AFAICT | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | well, reiserfs seems to be more reliable in terms of filesystem integrity | 00:27 |
| MNZ | or maybe there's more than one way to create a specific filter, but in any case the stuff from audio cookbook cause some weird shit | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mnooh, then there's still hope | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mnz: ^^ | 01:18 |
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| rainbird | hi there, im looking for some hildon desktop mods...I have a n900 but i'd like to see some desktop mods like start menu etc | 01:54 |
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| kerio | i'd like to see jessica alba doing a strip-tease for me | 01:56 |
| rainbird | yes but this isn;t the Jessica Alba irc chat | 01:57 |
| lcuk | rainbird, explain a start menu, since pressing a single button now brings up an app menu? | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | and kerio, if you don't ask, you don't get | 01:58 |
| lcuk | how much money have you offered :P | 01:58 |
| rainbird | basically, I'm using maemo5...but i'd like a similar style to previous versions... like a start menu in gnome at the top with a text menu rather than icons | 01:58 |
| rainbird | im just wandering if anyone done it, im not sure how to do it myself | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | well hildon desktop on maemo4 had similar i believe | 01:59 |
| lcuk | is that more like what you are thinking? | 01:59 |
| rainbird | I guess so... but i dont wanna go back in time :) | 01:59 |
| lcuk | http://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/images/nokia-n810-wimax-1.jpg | 01:59 |
| lcuk | sure | 01:59 |
| lcuk | but hildon is open and hence i am betting it exists somewhere in amongst there | 02:00 |
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| * lcuk cant actually remember which package its in | 02:00 | |
| * lcuk is coding anyway | 02:00 | |
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| rainbird | I saw some devices which are probably japanese, cheap MID's with what appears to be some customization of hildon..im a bit disapointed in the amount of hildon customization thats been done on maemo5/n900, cant blame anyone..I haven't really tried myself :) | 02:01 |
| lcuk | well rainbird theres 3 alternative menu managers | 02:01 |
| lcuk | a boat load of keybinding related tweaks | 02:02 |
| lcuk | a 9desktop version | 02:02 |
| lcuk | and whatever i have missed | 02:02 |
| rainbird | ok well i better get googling, thanks lcuk | 02:02 |
| lcuk | but on the whole, customisation by setting up various desktops appears to suffice for most hackers | 02:02 |
| lcuk | \o | 02:02 |
| rainbird | yup | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's servicing mxr aka http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/style/h.css, resp why is there some strange "** Warning:" with no further detail text in e.g. http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/isp1704.h (sourcecode of that page line 78)? | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | thats timeless normally, but he is on travels DocScrutinizer | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got an idea if that's normal? | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems I get "** Warning:" and "** Fatal!" recently, the latter on identifier searches that never yield any hit | 02:14 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, doesn't look it, but its not stopping it working | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... or I'm doing something stupid | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | ask him next time you see him :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, thnx | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's a 'static inline int blabla', in C ? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | static is known, int as well | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's inline? only know this for assembler | 02:20 |
| lcuk | inline is a hint to the compiler | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah k | 02:21 |
| lcuk | by the way, the mxr.meego.com doesn't appear to give those warnings. I just did a little check (that file is missing) but it doesn't seem to matter | 02:22 |
| lcuk | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/kernel-2.6.33/linux-2.6.33/drivers/usb/README | 02:22 |
| lcuk | for example | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, mxr has zero crossreference links anymore. I remeber a cool feature where you could click any identifier and get to a list of defines and references. Now it's all plain text. This goes along the line of "** Fatal!" for the explicit search for identifiers | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or IOW: mxr is borked | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ident?i=musb_save_ctx_and_suspend&tree=fremantle&filter= --> "** Fatal:" + null | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mxr == Maemo Xross Reference. Seems we should change the name :-P | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | whwat an awesome post http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/09/25/2150228/Dont-Cross-the-LHC-Stream-Maybe | 02:33 |
| lcuk | the questions and responses are cool | 02:34 |
| lardman_ | night chaps | 02:34 |
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| delt | bbl (when i get the CABLE that is supposed to come with my n810) ...sigh (wtf was wrong with the mini-usb connectors?!??!?!? | 02:41 |
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| GAN900 | Less durable? Larger? | 02:42 |
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| satmd | actually, the EU said, manufacturers have to find a COMMON adapter for their cell phones | 02:49 |
| satmd | micro usb has become the defacto standard since then | 02:49 |
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| satmd | the companies are trying to avoid being fined for having zillions of different chargers :P | 02:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | EU and china | 02:51 |
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| luke-jr__ | satmd: screw the EU. does Finland participate in that? | 03:50 |
| luke-jr__ | aww, they are | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it matter? Nokia wants to sell phones not only in Finland | 03:53 |
| luke-jr__ | in any case, what's wrong with MicroUSB? seems fine to me | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 03:53 |
| luke-jr__ | it's not like Nokia *changed* from whateverothreUSB | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | whining for 2 or 3 cables from attic aren't useful anymore, each the value of what? 3$? | 03:55 |
| luke-jr__ | pretty sure I have more MicroUSB cables than other USB cables except those big A ones | 03:55 |
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| luke-jr__ | that hard drives and such use | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | big B, even micro cables like CA-101 have big A one end | 03:58 |
| luke-jr__ | o | 03:59 |
| luke-jr__ | why don't they just call them Host, USB2, MicroUSB2, and USB3? ;P | 03:59 |
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| luke-jr__ | does USB3 have a new Micro version too? | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 04:00 |
| luke-jr__ | if so, wouldn't it technically break EU's rule? :P | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly not, as usb3 receptacles are supposed to be backward compatible | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so a N99000 with micro-USB3 should still fit to the N900 USB charger | 04:02 |
| luke-jr__ | not on both ends | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | N99000 comes with euro mains outlet | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | 230V | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | can self-charge ;-P | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need to install perpetuum mobile app | 04:05 |
| h4waii | Don't give that app out dude. | 04:05 |
| h4waii | I sent it to you in confidence. | 04:05 |
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| luke-jr__ | h4waii: I'll keep it secret :x | 04:22 |
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| fredrin | hay | 04:36 |
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| opdf2 | Opened my Conversations app, found a red triangle on one of my conversations | 04:52 |
| opdf2 | Texts are received and sent fine | 04:52 |
| opdf2 | How do I get rid of the red triangle? | 04:52 |
| opdf2 | The only way I've found so far is replacing el-v1.db from a backup | 04:52 |
| opdf2 | Can I edit the db to remove an offending element? | 04:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's a sql db | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | sqlite can in principle let you edit it | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody knowing C here? If I got a "int x;" and I do a "funcXY(blah, x)", what will be passed to the funcXY on stack? The value of x, or a addresspointer to x? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW, can value of x be changed and returned to caller, inside funcXY? | 05:15 |
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| nox- | int.s are passed by value, if you want by reference you need a pointer int *x and pass it via func(&x) | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox, moment please | 05:18 |
| nox- | s/need a pointer/need to pass the fn a pointer/ | 05:18 |
| infobot | nox- meant: int.s are passed by value, if you want by reference you need to pass the fn a pointer int *x and pass it via func(&x) | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/musb/musb_procfs.c;h=8d2b425cbb2f3d63db84e26c4c9c6b4f0e079337;hb=mohammad-patch line 900: spin_lock_irqsave(&musb->lock, flags); | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | flags looks like a bug to me here | 05:19 |
| nox- | oh spin_lock_irqsave needs to change it? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | flags is unsigned long flags | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, but it's not initialized anyway | 05:20 |
| nox- | right | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so either it's useless, then wtf? or they did something wrong | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if it's only they assumed a var is 0 on instantiation | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, fine :-/ now *I* have the problem to decide what to do with it | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only I hadn't asked :-P | 05:22 |
| nox- | http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/include/linux/spinlock.h?v=linux-2.6;im=excerpts#L187 | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | many thanks :-D | 05:22 |
| nox- | looks like in http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/include/linux/spinlock.h?v=linux-2.6#L312 | 05:23 |
| nox- | flags is never read only written to | 05:23 |
| nox- | so it being unitialized should be ok in this case | 05:23 |
| nox- | (that said, i know the freebsd kernel better than the linux one... :) | 05:24 |
| luke-jr__ | DocScrutinizer: also notable, is that a macro might take a pointer. eg, #define myevilfunc(var) myevilfunc(&var) | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: fair enough | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr__: yeah, that's roughly what's done here | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I love obfuscated C | 05:26 |
| nox- | hehe | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 05:26 |
| luke-jr__ | I think that falls under "macro abuse" | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the bad message: hostmode.py is using a method to establish USB hostmode, which is really virtually impossible to get complete control upon, and so will probably fail on quite a number of devices. The good message: this is the deprecated and difficult one (fake HNP) of two possible methods to establish hostmode. We're now going to have a closer look in the presumably easier one which is exploiting MUSB_TEST_FORCE_HOST bit. When even the | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | complicated method is obviously working for several users, I've good hopes for the latter one to yield even better results in a short while | 05:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CuMLIX <vboost> LFe | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a shot from the hip | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=62, DevCtl=38) | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTG state: a_host:9; inactive | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no enum it seems | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, enough for today | 06:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops, ECHAN :-P | 06:22 |
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| wmarone | Myuu Attack! | 06:25 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I'm ssh'd into the n900 - is there any way I can send text messages via ssh ? | 07:52 |
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| pupnik_ | good question jpinx-eeepc | 08:01 |
| ds3 | along those lines, has anyone found a way to block or ignore messages (IM or SMS) from a contact? | 08:02 |
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| pupnik_ | Morning Joe shows Peter Schiff's predictions, vindicates them, and Schiff explains the future of the economic crisis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8s-tZpyFTA | 08:45 |
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| mavhc | n810 just turned itself off, wouldn't turn on, battery and sd out, gets to white screen then reboots, charger in and battery charging thing comes on, suggestions? | 09:06 |
| RST38h | pine | 09:10 |
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| flux | mavhc, try charging longer? | 09:16 |
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| kerio | jpinx-eeepc: a dbus message of some sorts, probably | 09:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, dissect cherry? | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even this abomination is worth for something :-P | 10:07 |
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| budfive | Anybody know why my n900 would be unable to play the ringtone without choking on it for a bit? The ringtone is a .wav of maybe 0.5 seconds. It's consistently glitching half-way through every time | 10:11 |
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| norayr | hey, people of maemo | 10:52 |
| norayr | I would like to use qemu with diablo image instead of Nokia SDK, becauseit does not support amd64 or powerpc (my platforms) | 10:52 |
| norayr | I've built qemu with n900 patches, to run meego on it | 10:53 |
| norayr | But I'm not sure that diablo will work there | 10:53 |
| norayr | Did anyone try to run development environment in qemu? | 10:53 |
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| norayr | OK, how to dump installed image of diablo, and kernel from a real Nokia? | 11:01 |
| norayr | in order to try it in qemu? | 11:01 |
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| norayr | Or it will complicate of process of building/preparing packages? | 11:02 |
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| jacekowski | norayr: it works on my amd64 | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | norayr: just disable vdso | 12:07 |
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| norayr | ok, thanks, i'll try | 12:10 |
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| norayr | Anyway, it's not crossplatform solution. I am downloading official sdk now, but I would like to be able to use qemu. | 12:15 |
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| flexxxv | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG so you now logs of usb host or not??? | 12:19 |
| flexxxv | yesterday you said u don't need logs because they wouldn't have enough detail and now there is a reques for more logs ind the forum... | 12:21 |
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| sivang | everybody's asleep ? :) | 12:57 |
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| * MNZ zzzz | 12:58 | |
| sivang | heh | 12:58 |
| sivang | hey VDVsx :) | 12:59 |
| VDVsx | hello Sickki | 13:00 |
| VDVsx | ups | 13:00 |
| VDVsx | *sivang | 13:00 |
| sivang | yes, it happens to me all the time with irssi auto-complete | 13:00 |
| AtnNn | hello | 13:00 |
| frals | o/ VDVsx | 13:01 |
| AtnNn | does anyone know an open-source replacement for the on-screen keyboard that works? | 13:01 |
| frals | i ran into samppa at the airport on friday.. yesterday i saw the nice pictures of his arm lol | 13:01 |
| sivang | AtnNn: it mostly works for me , what's the issue? | 13:01 |
| AtnNn | there's no good documentation for hildon input method plugins | 13:02 |
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| sivang | frals: you I never managed to make fMMS work :) | 13:03 |
| sivang | frals: *know | 13:03 |
| sivang | frals: maybe something with my carrier, don't know | 13:03 |
| VDVsx | frals, yeah, lol | 13:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | file a trout report | 13:04 |
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| * MohammadAG51 slaps frals with a large trout | 13:04 | |
| sivang | MohammadAG51: I should, or at leat fry a trout report | 13:05 |
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| * frals slaps MohammadAG51 around a bit with a large trout | 13:05 | |
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| frals | :( | 13:06 |
| frals | very annoyed with new twitter :( | 13:06 |
| * MohammadAG51 didn't get it yet | 13:06 | |
| MNZ | new twitter is awesome! | 13:07 |
| MNZ | conversations are so much easier to follow and understand, even if you don't follow all the participants in a convo | 13:07 |
| * sivang hopes twitter won't become the new "google" as developer's best friend ;) | 13:08 | |
| MohammadAG51 | tweetdeck ftw | 13:08 |
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| frals | MNZ: its shit in microb :( | 13:09 |
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| frals | cant scroll in the right pane, doesnt fit horizontally without scrolling :( | 13:09 |
| MNZ | frals, oh that... hrm. Khweeteur(sp?) then :P | 13:09 |
| sivang | yer knaw, MicroB is rather amazing, even compared to desktop browsers. | 13:09 |
| Hoxzer | I hate when I accidently click a link when I scroll the page. | 13:10 |
| sivang | Hoxzer: that's true, but that is probably not related to the browser but to the gesture tweaking | 13:10 |
| sivang | Hoxzer: the browser probably just responds to a "click" event from its POV | 13:11 |
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| neo-the_one | “You can search throughout the entire universe for someone who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and that person is not to be found anywhere. You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “To understand everything is to forgive everything” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “However many holy words you read,However many you speak,What good will they do you If you do not act on upon them?” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “You cannot travel the path until you have become the path itself” | 13:26 |
| sivang | hmm? | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “A jug fills drop by drop.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” | 13:26 |
| neo-the_one | “Even death is not to be feared by | 13:26 |
| sivang | Maemo's daily eastern musings? | 13:27 |
| sivang | *eastern | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | go back to you matrix | 13:28 |
| sivang | hehe | 13:28 |
| sivang | well, there's one thing right there- 11:28 < neo-the_one> “An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.” | 13:28 |
| sivang | ;) | 13:28 |
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| sivang | jacekowski: he's doing that a lot and craws back into his matrix? | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Talking profound shit is easy. Doing profound shit is hard. | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | My thought for the day. | 13:31 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: yes, that's more or less rephrases it neatly. | 13:31 |
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| jacekowski | i hate usb | 13:34 |
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| jacekowski | so poorly designed protocol | 13:34 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: why do you think it's poorly designed? | 13:37 |
| delor | I have following problem while installing python-pygame http://pastebin.com/8Ntti3Bk | 13:37 |
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| jacekowski | bit stuffing to stop long zero runs | 13:38 |
| jacekowski | and that makes my decoder so much more complicated | 13:38 |
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| * sivang tries to find the hwoto for setting up USB network between the device and pc | 13:39 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 13:40 |
| delor | could anybody help me with installing pygame? | 13:41 |
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| sivang | delor: are you upgraded to latest version of libs/ maemo? you seem have to a confllicting files from 2 packages, | 13:46 |
| sivang | delor: there's a switch to make one override the other, but I wouldn't recommend it before trying to sort it diffrently | 13:47 |
| sivang | delor: so try to remove, update, and try again | 13:47 |
| sivang | delor: I'eve never installed pygame on Maemo, FYI | 13:47 |
| sivang | delor: this is general apt advice | 13:47 |
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| sivang | delor: or rather, dpkg advice | 13:49 |
| darkschneider | mmm, when i press Fn+Ctrl (for popping up the sym menu) and then select the ` to compose an accented letter, the ` key does not highlight anymore (i have maemo 5, vanilla from nokia) it's probably a know bug, any workaround? | 13:51 |
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| darkschneider | on a nokia N900, arg, quite important info | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Odd. Insalled anything? | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | recently | 13:52 |
| darkschneider | recentrly no | 13:54 |
| darkschneider | i installed something that may have done it starting | 13:54 |
| darkschneider | and i discovered that it is triggered by connecting it to USB | 13:54 |
| darkschneider | if i reboot it goes away and works perfectly anymore | 13:55 |
| darkschneider | i can do a test just now | 13:55 |
| delor | sivang: what would you do in this situation? | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | - usb | 13:57 |
| darkschneider | booting and testing, second :) | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | nothing springs to mind, sorry. | 13:57 |
| darkschneider | ok rebooted and perfectly working. connecting to usb and closing the usb menu so it just recharge | 13:58 |
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| sivang | delor: removing the pygae stuff, apt-get -f install | 13:59 |
| sivang | delor: letting it finish, then upgrading and making sure you are current on stuff, and try reinstall, if that deos not help, I recommend making sure the libs that the dependencies pull or provided by are not already provided by some other package, if so this might be a bug in either of them, if this is an extras-devel/testing then this might be and you should take care to know what you are doing. | 14:01 |
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| delor | sivang: apt-get -f install output: http://pastebin.com/PtLxxuMA | 14:01 |
| darkschneider | bad.... test failed, now it works even after connection. But it must related to something when i connect it, because it does that each morning, after it worked all day i attach it to charge to usb, and the next morning it does not highlight anymore | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | have you got anything installed that does anything on connection - or alters the keyboard setup | 14:03 |
| sivang | delor: not sure about that though, ask others, it probably has something to do with "optification" http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021419.html for example, please ask others that is the far I can go with this :) | 14:03 |
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| sivang | delor: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem | 14:05 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | oow | 14:08 |
| sivang | yo RST38h | 14:08 |
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| sivang | hmm, I'm getting "device memory filled" notifications, /me tries to remove the yesterdayly installed pycallblocker | 14:09 |
| sivang | when it says that, it means no room on rootfs? | 14:09 |
| sivang | and the dvice mostly refused to do anything I do | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | df | 14:09 |
| sivang | oh right, /me opens the terminal | 14:10 |
| sivang | yet another vauge notification (tm) | 14:10 |
| sivang | *vaugue | 14:10 |
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| kerio | filling the FS completely is bad | 14:10 |
| RST38h | vague, sivang | 14:10 |
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| sivang | RST38h: err, yes :) I never get this one right | 14:11 |
| sivang | RST38h: at least I'm not saying "You Loose!" :-p | 14:11 |
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| * sivang ROTFls when he recalls that from what timeless told him about an insulting game on one of the early nokia's phone. | 14:12 | |
| sivang | right, so rootfs is filled. | 14:12 |
| * sivang checks what ate it. | 14:12 | |
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| SpeedEvil | gfind / -size +1000k -ctime -2 | 14:14 |
| * sivang tries to reach for the pipe char, ar this is better, thanks SpeedEvil | 14:14 | |
| RST38h | btw, should everything under /opt be owned by root:root? | 14:16 |
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| sivang | hmm, I got not gfind | 14:16 |
| sivang | O_o | 14:16 |
| kerio | sivang: install it :D | 14:18 |
| kerio | (don't) | 14:18 |
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| sivang | kerio: with not room on rootfs? how does that optification on the flu works? | 14:20 |
| sivang | kerio: does it need room on rootfs? err, but everything else apt needs it... | 14:20 |
| kerio | *wooosh* | 14:20 |
| kerio | (that's the sound of the joke flying right over your head) | 14:20 |
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| sivang | kerio: notice I wrote "optification on the flu" accidently :) | 14:22 |
| ZogG | sivang you did it on purpose | 14:23 |
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| sivang | ZogG: Freudian_slip ? | 14:25 |
| ZogG | =) | 14:25 |
| * sivang notes he works on sunday, on top of all | 14:26 | |
| * RST38h moos at ZogG evilly | 14:26 | |
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| ZogG | something is makign weird noise in my chair when i type | 14:26 |
| ZogG | RST38h, aloha | 14:26 |
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| sivang | ZogG: ah, I see you also should be working on Sunday =P | 14:28 |
| * sivang reverts back to du | 14:28 | |
| ZogG | nope | 14:28 |
| ZogG | we have holidays | 14:28 |
| ZogG | !google Sukkot | 14:28 |
| zgoldberg | Results for Sukkot on Google: | 14:28 |
| zgoldberg | -- | 14:28 |
| sivang | ZogG: well, but you are deduced vacation time | 14:28 |
| sivang | ZogG: we work on hol hamoed | 14:28 |
| ZogG | we alsso - but as office closed there are less people on shift - so i got only 2 shifts this week =( | 14:29 |
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| sivang | ZogG: ah, I see , well, at least you ahve mroe time to tinker or threash the device :) | 14:29 |
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| ZogG | sivang right now i stare on it, as i want to send sms to that girl and i shoyuldn't =) | 14:31 |
| sivang | ZogG: I have an app upcoming against it :) | 14:31 |
| sivang | anyway, lunch time | 14:32 |
| ZogG | sivang, electroshocking you on stupuid sms? | 14:32 |
| ZogG | RST38h, so sup? | 14:32 |
| ZogG | in soviet russia you don't send sms, sms sends you | 14:32 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Sunday. | 14:32 |
| ZogG | RST38h, resting? | 14:33 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Got Qt-based version of Speccy to compile and run yesterday. Found just how much Qt tools suck, exactly. | 14:33 |
| ZogG | lol | 14:34 |
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| ZogG | RST38h do you use qt based or gtk based DE on desktop? | 14:38 |
| ZogG | or you use windows? | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | ZogG: I use a standard ubuntu desktop i.e.gnome | 14:48 |
| RST38h | and Windows too | 14:48 |
| RST38h | "Phone glitch lets Kansas residents set off tornado alarms by misdialing" <=== hehe | 14:49 |
| ZogG | don't like ubuntu that much but it's ok on laptop imho | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | ubuntu is the first linux ever that installed on my laptop without me having to have sex with it | 14:50 |
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| Dossis | So. After Flashing my touch screen doesnt response to anything anymore | 15:01 |
| Dossis | Is there a way to fix it? | 15:01 |
| Dossis | flashing again didnt fix it | 15:01 |
| RST38h | Hm, someone started installing Meego onto Android phone | 15:05 |
| RST38h | s | 15:05 |
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| Dossis | I think some software did broke my touch screen.. I installed psfreedom from extras-devel (it has some depencies can't remember what qt4 atleast), booted, crashed, booted, crashed, flashed it, and now touch screen isnt working anymore | 15:11 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Dossis: there is a limit to how much abuse anything will take, but i suggest you take the battery out and leave it overnight and reflash it tomorrow | 15:13 |
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| RST38h | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/moc.html | 15:14 |
| * RST38h especially loves the "Limitations" section :) | 15:15 | |
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| ZogG | RST38h, i got arch on laptop now, it's weird after gentoo =( | 15:19 |
| sivang | RST38h: speccy the game emulator? | 15:19 |
| * sivang back from lunch | 15:19 | |
| sivang | RST38h: I had to have sex with my 9.0 to make it love the wifi card in my crappy LG T308 | 15:20 |
| sivang | RST38h: T380 | 15:20 |
| ZogG | sivang system info app? | 15:20 |
| ZogG | sivang, atheros? | 15:20 |
| * ZogG xmms2> Venetian Snares - Posers And Camera Phones ["My So-Called Life" 2010 Timesig] | 15:20 | |
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| RST38h | ZogG: I generally just want the system to work. Used FreeBSD for years, for exactly this reason. | 15:22 |
| RST38h | ZogG: So, most Linuxes do not satisfy my main requirement | 15:22 |
| sivang | ZogG: I don't recall the chip, it is not Atheros I think I haad to fight with a very bad driver instructions building and inserrting to kernel from teh vendor site | 15:23 |
| sivang | ZogG: and I failed to reproduce the successful setup to the upgraded kernels afterwqrds. | 15:23 |
| sivang | ZogG: 10.04 is too buggy for me, though | 15:23 |
| ZogG | RST38h you have to config it once and than it works exactly the way you want | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ZogG: No, not really | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ZogG: In practice, most Linuxes did not even boot on my laptops, for years | 15:24 |
| ZogG | RST38h ? | 15:24 |
| ZogG | RST38h something special in hardware? | 15:24 |
| RST38h | ZogG: If they did, they missed many devices and had weird dependencies (like needing kernel sources for HelloWorld to work) | 15:24 |
| RST38h | ZogG: No, just the OS being written by homebrewers for homebrewers | 15:25 |
| RST38h | ZogG: FreeBSD worked on the same hardware | 15:25 |
| ZogG | what year was it? | 15:25 |
| RST38h | 1994-current | 15:26 |
| RST38h | So, great kudos to Ubuntu people for taking a toy and making it generally usable | 15:27 |
| sivang | RST38h++ | 15:27 |
| sivang | I hear that driver is included in the LTS, but can't upgrade straight to ti since i Have 9.04 on the lappie right now and cross version upgrades have well, made me reinstall anyway so that is what I'll probably do. | 15:28 |
| mavhc | ok, so n810 now boots (after charging for a bit longer, although it was on charge all night), but keeps just turning off, and battery-status says charging when it's not, and when it is | 15:30 |
| sivang | ZogG: atheros normally provide fairly documented drivers, till date I don't recall how I made mine work in 9.04 following random guesses at build attempts of the vendor provided drivers | 15:32 |
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| ZogG | sivang where did you get n900? | 15:35 |
| ZogG | sivang, it's windows way //<sivang> I hear that driver is included in the LTS, but can't upgrade straight to ti since i Have 9.04 on the lappie right now and cross version upgrades have well, made me reinstall anyway so that is what I'll probably do. | 15:36 |
| ZogG | sivang atheros had no linux support | 15:36 |
| ZogG | till 2.26.28 i think | 15:36 |
| ZogG | there was madwifi drivers | 15:37 |
| ZogG | but they were buggy | 15:37 |
| h4waii | ? | 15:37 |
| ZogG | and than one of the guys who developed it for atheros got job from atheros to support driver if i recall it right | 15:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | yes after a bit of dispute over licensing of ath5k Luis got hired by atheros | 15:39 |
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| ZogG | psycho_oreos wasn't it before ath5k module | 15:42 |
| h4waii | Ruh roh, /opt is filling up quickly. | 15:42 |
| ZogG | or it was called that since madwifi? | 15:42 |
| ZogG | h4waii sudo rm -R /opt/* // i hope you understand it's joke =) | 15:43 |
| h4waii | :P | 15:43 |
| h4waii | Time to start purging packages. | 15:43 |
| psycho_oreos | ZogG, madwifi was the original driver that included proprietary HAL from atheros but ar5k (iirc) from freebsd was HAL-independent however I think ar5k had portions of the ath5k driver (which was initially to be linux's first HAL-independent driver) codes which lead to a dispute over licensing | 15:44 |
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| ZogG | щр | 15:46 |
| ZogG | oh | 15:46 |
| ZogG | anyway madwifi was buggy, especially with my card | 15:46 |
| psycho_oreos | its a long and complicated thing, its also well documented on the mailing list somewhere | 15:46 |
| ZogG | ath5k is better but still not that good | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | ath5k was really buggy initially but is now the future for atheros non-802.11n capable (and also not USB variants) chipsets | 15:47 |
| ZogG | my card didn't support half things and sometimes after 30min - 1hour use just stop working - need to reboot | 15:47 |
| ZogG | psycho_oreos there is ath9k | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | ZogG, ath9k is where Luis was hired by atheros to make their atheros 802.11n chipsets natively supported under linux | 15:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | ZogG, old news.. then there's ath6k, ath9k_htc, otus (superceded by ar9170 and supposedly a better variant carl9170 floating around).. and then there's that dormant ar5570 (I think) | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | WOW | 15:50 |
| jacekowski | that's drastic | 15:51 |
| jacekowski | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/nokia-using-android-like-peeing-in-your-pants-for-warmth-in-winter/9772 | 15:51 |
| RST38h | you found it just now? a miracle! | 15:52 |
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| sivang | ZogG: had no issues with ar on the desktop or in the Compaq Mini 310c | 16:23 |
| sivang | ZogG: worked out of the box | 16:23 |
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| sivang | ZogG: 9.04 | 16:23 |
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| ZogG | sivang depends on chip | 16:24 |
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| ZogG | as well mine is old and i had problems back when module wasn't in kernel, not it's in there | 16:25 |
| ZogG | not=now | 16:25 |
| sivang | ZogG: ah okay, I will check the chip and report back | 16:25 |
| lardman | afternoon chaps | 16:25 |
| sivang | afternoon lardman | 16:25 |
| sivang | lardman: How's the weather in your part of england? | 16:25 |
| h4waii | LOL. Sygic Mobile Maps 10 tries to remove MyDocs and /home/user | 16:26 |
| h4waii | What a screw up they've become. | 16:26 |
| lardman | alright, bit grey but some sun coming through | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | lardman: could photo scanning be used to read a fairly large encryption key? where are the upper bounds on n900? | 16:26 |
| sivang | ZogG: I never believed randomly hitting a module rebulding over and over would make it actually work, but it did | 16:26 |
| lardman | Am finally getting round to setting up my dev box and cursing the wonders of VDSO | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | heheh | 16:27 |
| sivang | lardman: ah, sorted :) | 16:27 |
| lardman | pupnik_, what are you thinking in terms of bytes? | 16:27 |
| sivang | lardman: I wish it was a bit grey and less hot here, some rain would be appreciated | 16:27 |
| lardman | sivang: where are you? | 16:27 |
| sivang | lardman: mid-dole east :) | 16:27 |
| lardman | ah, warm no doubt :) | 16:27 |
| sivang | warm, is , put nicely | 16:28 |
| sivang | ;) | 16:28 |
| lardman | It's colder here today - 10C, has been warm, grey and wet, not ideal | 16:28 |
| sivang | 31C right now | 16:28 |
| lardman | I'd swap for some sunshine! :) | 16:28 |
| sivang | lardman: you're invited | 16:28 |
| ZogG | lardman he is from country of Palestine :) | 16:28 |
| lardman | :) | 16:28 |
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| ZogG | sivang what city are you from btw | 16:28 |
| sivang | heh | 16:28 |
| sivang | ZogG: Tel Aviv | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | it would have to be a strong key, costing days of effort | 16:29 |
| ZogG | sivang ha, i just moved to ramat-gan from there | 16:29 |
| lardman | So anyone tried to setup SB on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 64bit? (choosing all the worst options - kernel doesn't allow VDSO to be disabled, 64bit-ness, etc.) | 16:29 |
| sivang | pupnik_: trying to make key imports through the camera? | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | yeah why not | 16:29 |
| lardman | how long pupnik_ ? | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | 512? | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | bits | 16:30 |
| ZogG | lardman what is SB? | 16:30 |
| lardman | scratchbox | 16:30 |
| sivang | I think I am using 32bit ubuntu on 64bit hardware | 16:30 |
| lardman | pupnik_: 64 bytes, yeah no worries | 16:30 |
| sivang | pupnik_: could be nice, so for example in keysining parties you just scan the other parties paper or business card | 16:31 |
| lardman | you need to choose a uri for the key | 16:31 |
| lardman | so it would go key://nsdjkghasebjkfhasldh | 16:31 |
| lardman | etc | 16:31 |
| RST38h | heya lardman, pupnik | 16:31 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 16:31 |
| sivang | lardman: ah right | 16:31 |
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| ZogG | sivang it's not that important | 16:31 |
| sivang | ZogG: I am actuall yin the part close to Givataim | 16:31 |
| lardman | sivang: need some way to know what the payload of the barcode is | 16:32 |
| ZogG | though now all apps are moved to 64 support you can go for 64 | 16:32 |
| ZogG | sivang yad eliyahu? | 16:32 |
| sivang | ZogG: a bit weary, from past experience :) | 16:32 |
| sivang | ZogG: sort of, yes | 16:32 |
| ZogG | sivang i use 64bit gentoo =) | 16:32 |
| ZogG | as there is huge difference on compiling and video encoding | 16:32 |
| sivang | oh, that makes a bit of a difference | 16:32 |
| sivang | we're getting terribly off topic, is that allowed here? :) | 16:33 |
| sivang | ZogG: whehere in ramat gan? | 16:33 |
| ZogG | yes, till DocScrutinizer is asleep, he is banning everyone here =) | 16:34 |
| sivang | had to get a cached copy of the aformentioned http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/nokia-using-android-like-peeing-in-your-pants-for-warmth-in-winter/9772 | 16:34 |
| ZogG | sivang herzl near jabotinski | 16:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 bans ZogG | 16:34 | |
| ZogG | sivang there is topic on tmo and this is also on engadget i think | 16:34 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 =* | 16:35 |
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| * ZogG stands on knees and prays to DocScrutinizer | 16:35 | |
| sivang | heh | 16:35 |
| ZogG | glorry to the DocScrutinizer | 16:35 |
| sivang | at least it is sunday | 16:35 |
| ZogG | all glory* | 16:35 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: we hail thee | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errrrr. k | 16:35 |
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| sivang | so the article suggests ditching meego/maemo and profit? | 16:36 |
| ZogG | i dunno | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: OT isn't OT until somebody shouts "OT" :-D | 16:37 |
| ZogG | but i think it's just adv Nokia is trying to do | 16:37 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer51: agreed and accounted for! | 16:37 |
| ZogG | as well i would laugh at meego that they copying android UI if i was google =)_ | 16:37 |
| * sivang always thought the pee gets cold quickly and then makes it worse than before peeing | 16:37 | |
| ZogG | sivang it's true | 16:38 |
| sivang | so in a place like Finland, that's even worse | 16:38 |
| sivang | (-20 at some of the places?) | 16:38 |
| sivang | anyway, enough trash | 16:38 |
| ZogG | but i liked to pee in winter at snow when i took long bus rides back i was living in russia | 16:38 |
| ZogG | in soviet russia you do not pee your pants, your pants pees you | 16:39 |
| sivang | ZogG: is this applicable in international channels? I only saw it on Hebrew feeds in Hebrew ofcourse :) | 16:39 |
| * sivang is a bit embarrased to have this slip the local facebooksphere, yuck! | 16:39 | |
| ZogG | sivang it's actually internet meme and it get there from interwebz like everything else | 16:40 |
| sivang | ZogG: I see, well then. | 16:40 |
| * sivang is back to feeing space on the device without gfind | 16:40 | |
| RST38h | "USB hostmode prealpha" thread overrun by lemmings, ignoring. | 16:40 |
| ZogG | and don't say jews invented Chuck to make facts about him | 16:40 |
| sivang | hehe | 16:40 |
| * sivang thinks the soviet russia paradigm could actually be implemeted using vtables! | 16:41 | |
| sivang | now that I think of it | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, lemming* | 16:41 |
| ZogG | RST38h people on TMO often are getting out of topic and making stupid post of nothing, like apps i want to see and i hate/love n900 =( | 16:41 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG good day pal | 16:42 |
| RST38h | ZogG: No, not these people | 16:42 |
| sivang | yo MohammadAG | 16:42 |
| ZogG | RST38h still -- RAGE!!! | 16:42 |
| RST38h | ZogG: The "it does not work for me, what it is supposed to do anyway?" people | 16:42 |
| lardman | mmmmm, data.... :) | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | heya ZogG | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | and sivang :) | 16:42 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG next time you are doing any kind of terror bombimg, try not to kill sivang | 16:42 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I was just telling lardman we'd love some rain :-) | 16:43 |
| ZogG | i just got it - your name is Sivan =)) | 16:43 |
| sivang | ZogG: sharp, aren't you? | 16:43 |
| sivang | ;) | 16:43 |
| lardman | pupnik: did you see my response - yes would be quite easy to encode in a QR code, if you want it to be handled automatically then choose a uri, otherwise you could just copy and paste from mBarcode | 16:43 |
| ZogG | i hope you are girl =) | 16:43 |
| sivang | hrm, not. | 16:43 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Is there any special reason why he should be spared? | 16:43 |
| ZogG | in israel it's hard to know the gender by name | 16:43 |
| ZogG | sivang, damn it, i already wanted to ask you out | 16:43 |
| RST38h | lardman: BTW, I have got a bug report | 16:44 |
| lardman | RST38h: fire away | 16:44 |
| lardman | though as I'm currently installing sb, it may take a while for me to be able to do anything about it ;) | 16:44 |
| RST38h | lardman: 1) it is not clear when the Barcode app actually makes a shot. More than once I feverishly clicked the shutter button | 16:44 |
| ZogG | RST38h read the log, i though he is a chick =) | 16:44 |
| sivang | ZogG: what are chances an Israeli girl called Sivan would be into N900/Maemo/MeeGo hacking ? | 16:45 |
| * MohammadAG strangles ZogG | 16:45 | |
| RST38h | lardman: 2) Once you click on one of the plugins, the application seemingly hangs | 16:45 |
| sivang | ZogG: Finnish girl named Henna, maybe | 16:45 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: thanks | 16:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: So I hoped you would show a busy cursor or something | 16:45 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah I'm going to change the code and give the user the option to only perform scanning when the shutter button has been pressed | 16:45 |
| ZogG | sivang haha, you know i hitted on one girl cause she had n900, even had a date | 16:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: #2 is actually more of a problem than #1 | 16:45 |
| lardman | RST38h: 2) ok, good idea | 16:45 |
| lardman | RST38h: could you add that to the TMO thread? I know it's a pain having to go to tmo ;) | 16:46 |
| ZogG | RST38h just rename the plugin button into pasue button | 16:46 |
| ZogG | solved | 16:46 |
| RST38h | lardman: if you give me the thread URL :) | 16:46 |
| sivang | ZogG: she did? odd, everyone here has either N97 the most but otherwise they carry iphones. | 16:46 |
| pupnik | thanks lardman - funness! | 16:46 |
| RST38h | ZogG: But this is sexist! | 16:46 |
| lardman | RST38h: search for mbarcode, only thread with that title and 10k posts :p | 16:46 |
| ZogG | sivang, yeah it was wierd | 16:46 |
| RST38h | ok | 16:46 |
| * sivang tries to spot the lemmings | 16:47 | |
| ZogG | RST38h i'm guy, i don't care about this things | 16:47 |
| ZogG | spot=shot | 16:47 |
| ZogG | fixed you | 16:47 |
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| lardman | pupnik: if you come up with something you want to do with the key, then post in the same TMO thread and I'll have a look at writing a plugin for you | 16:47 |
| lardman | bbiab, waiting for the sb downloads to finish and installation script to fail | 16:48 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i'm thinking to buy backbeat 903/906 | 16:48 |
| sivang | lardman: happened to me already couple of times that last weeks, but today it finally finsihed and succeded. | 16:48 |
| lardman | I'm back, can write some python Amazon scraping code for my book db app | 16:49 |
| RST38h | lardman: You may want to add "default plugin" | 16:49 |
| RST38h | lardman: Or automatically choose based on the barcode contents (i.e. URL = go to URL for example) | 16:50 |
| lardman | that is already done | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Yes, I would add basic recognition of a few common data item formats (ISBNs, URLs, etc) and do default actions for them | 16:50 |
| lardman | eadch plugin is allowed to see the data and if it thinks it can handle it, it is given a button | 16:50 |
| RST38h | skip the buttons | 16:50 |
| RST38h | that is the extra stage that slows things down. if you are absolutely SURE you know what it is, do the default action | 16:51 |
| lardman | the idea was to allow people to choose which plugin - I know what you mean though | 16:51 |
| sivang | mbarcode is python? nice | 16:51 |
| lardman | yeah, if only one plugin shows any interest it could skip the button and just go to the plugin, agreed | 16:51 |
| lardman | no | 16:51 |
| lardman | mBarcode is C/C++ | 16:52 |
| sivang | qt? | 16:52 |
| sivang | actually, I should check in sb | 16:52 |
| sivang | lardman: never mind the oise | 16:52 |
| lardman | I got pythonQT compiling but didn't have a chance to push it to extras-devel and integrate it | 16:52 |
| lardman | yeah is Qt | 16:52 |
| lardman | I had planned to allow both C++ and Python plugins, but not got round to the pythonQT part yet | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | how do I connect a damn button with a dialog in Qt Designer? | 16:53 |
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| lardman | in the meantime it's possible to register a DBus plugin which will start/raise your app and send it the data, which allows Qt, or anything else | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | god python is so much easier than C++/Qt | 16:53 |
| lardman | sure is | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | and a bit more retarded | 16:53 |
| sivang | lardman: there's PySide, if you test it the team will appreciate bug reports. | 16:54 |
| lardman | wrong way though | 16:54 |
| lardman | I need to integrate Python scripting in a C++ app | 16:54 |
| sivang | ah | 16:55 |
| lardman | so pythonQt is the way to go (that's not the same as PyQt) | 16:55 |
| sivang | ah, I was sure that was a type :) | 16:56 |
| RST38h | lardman: the default action thing can always be made an option though :) | 16:56 |
| RST38h | oh, lardman, please, AVOID using python in mbarcode, please | 16:56 |
| RST38h | =) | 16:56 |
| lardman | Re Python, it will be optional | 16:57 |
| lardman | i.e. I may create a plugin which will handle all python plugins, that way the PythonQt stuff is separated from the main code, no unneeded deps, etc | 16:57 |
| lardman | we need a dialog to allow users to select plugins, disable them, etc., so adding a "use this by default" flag is certainly doable | 16:58 |
| lardman | otoh, it's still quite nice to see what's in the barcode before you decide to open/handle it | 16:58 |
| lardman | I guess that if it's on the back of a book or dvd this is not so important | 16:59 |
| sivang | the user can apply "trust" to it if it comes from there I guess. | 17:01 |
| lardman | well they know what they're getting with a 1D code on a book | 17:01 |
| lardman | not so much with a 2D code on a webpage or in a magazine | 17:01 |
| lardman | has anyone seen the geo:// uri in the wild? | 17:01 |
| lardman | or even geo: | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: I do think using all installed plugins is ok | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: Don't want it -> uninstall it | 17:02 |
| lardman | yeah | 17:03 |
| lardman | it'll do for now anyway | 17:03 |
| lardman | drgaly's done good work on the interface, looks nice and slick now | 17:03 |
| lardman | dragly that should be of course, can't type | 17:03 |
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| sivang | lardman: PythonQt wraps around Python interpreter C object into Qt? | 17:06 |
| lardman | hmm, my N900 really needs a TweakUI style app to alter the transition delays rather than fiddling with an .ini file | 17:07 |
| lcuk | transitioncontrol - written by konttori | 17:07 |
| lcuk | in -devel | 17:07 |
| lardman | I thought it was gone now | 17:08 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 17:08 |
| lardman | I'll look | 17:08 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 17:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, so you have c++ plugins! or are they c clugins? | 17:08 |
| lardman | c++ | 17:09 |
| lcuk | (i noticed c++ does not expose symbols to be available to apps without the extern "C"{..} bit | 17:09 |
| RST38h | not exactly | 17:10 |
| RST38h | C++ exposes symbols just fine but it mangles them | 17:10 |
| lcuk | ok then, it exposes them but munged | 17:10 |
| RST38h | extern "C" keeps them intact | 17:10 |
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| lardman | ~curse HAM for being sooooo slllloooooowwwww | 17:13 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for being sooooo slllloooooowwwww ! | 17:13 |
| sivang | it also won't allow you to uninstall crap once it installed too much of it :) | 17:13 |
| sivang | s/it/I/ | 17:13 |
| infobot | sivang meant: I also won't allow you to uninstall crap once it installed too much of it :) | 17:13 |
| lardman | how can I add my deb line to source.list from the command line? | 17:15 |
| lardman | not using vi | 17:15 |
| joga | maybe using echo and >>? ;) | 17:15 |
| lardman | some way of echoing a cr then the line itself? | 17:15 |
| sivang | lardman: echo "..." >> sources.list? | 17:15 |
| lardman | will that add a new line too? | 17:15 |
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| sivang | lardman: you don't need a cr | 17:15 |
| sivang | lardman: yes | 17:15 |
| lardman | cool | 17:15 |
| lardman | thanks chaps | 17:16 |
| sivang | lardman: thank you for making mbarcode :) | 17:16 |
| lardman | np | 17:16 |
| lardman | thank dragly for making it look nice | 17:16 |
| sivang | crap, this is BusyBoxe's DU! | 17:18 |
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| Robotnixon | m | 17:19 |
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| lardman | lcuk: cool found transitioncontrol, now I just need to work out what each setting does! :) | 17:19 |
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| felipec | damn! GStreamer's flacparse was horrible, after fixing it now flac decoding is 3x faster | 17:26 |
| lardman | what was the problem with it? | 17:27 |
| MNZ | nice felipec! | 17:27 |
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| felipec | lardman: everything | 17:28 |
| lardman | :) | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | h4waii, roger :) | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ever heard of echo -e ? | 17:29 |
| felipec | it was parsing the whole data, and using GStreamer's bytereader, which is horrible | 17:29 |
| satmd | ow. | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, quite frankly, you'll find editing the file easier | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | transitioncontrol is not well detailed | 17:29 |
| felipec | so horrible that it was taking for parsing twice the mount of CPU that FFmpeg takes for decoding | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh editing :-D sed ftw | 17:30 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: nope | 17:30 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: fair enough - I've removed the transitions now, but it still seems to pause, just wondering if that's an enforced pause | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop's source code would be easier to look at :P | 17:32 |
| * sivang wonders how many of Maemo's compoenent and architecture will be in MeeGo | 17:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | seems none | 17:33 |
| sivang | it seems easier to look at the maemo architecture diagram then MeeGo's, it is much more detailed | 17:33 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: seriously? | 17:34 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: so fro example, a new email client will be created? | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | either they're not maemo but general linux, or they're not going to meego | 17:34 |
| sivang | but lots of maemo is genral linux | 17:34 |
| sivang | gconf, modest, farsight2 et | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, dunno about modest, but for sure none of the closed apps will go to meego | 17:35 |
| sivang | right, I guess that's a good thing. | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo nokia's special proprietary flavour of meego. They're free to sell whatever future meego device with same butload of proprietary stuff they did on maemo | 17:36 |
| lardman | finally, I'm back in business, sb working, etc | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and honestly I have no idea how comprehensive the core meego set of apps will be | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: and just in time to try out http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.90.4.20100924.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 17:38 |
| lardman | or importantly whether they will be well designed for the different screen sizes and other constraints | 17:38 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yay! | 17:38 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: still need to install a chroot and the image build tools mind you | 17:39 |
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| lardman | oh that's flashable, cool | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: maybe ask Stskeeps - he should know much better | 17:40 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: call audio works? | 17:40 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: yes, he seems to eb knowledgeable | 17:40 |
| sivang | ;) | 17:40 |
| * lardman searches for a spare uSD card | 17:40 | |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: yes | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: dd'able, rather | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 17:42 |
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| steinex | meego useable yet? | 17:43 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: wow, so it is now in trunk of meego-arm? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: could you explain in telegram style how dual booting to meego works? (like "NOLO->maemokernel->chroot->...") | 17:43 |
| sivang | this is NICE | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: flasher -l -k vmlinuz -b | 17:44 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: there's the boot off uSD with a pc host way no? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ie, cheating | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: uboot is next step | 17:44 |
| sivang | yes, and ubifs support is needed | 17:44 |
| * sivang recites well | 17:45 | |
| sivang | Stskeeps: you are a good teacher :) | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: is this loading a new kernel to memory on runtime during "boot" of meego from maemo? | 17:45 |
| lardman | can you do that with the on-device flasher? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: loads it on boot over usb | 17:46 |
| lardman | presumably not now I think about it | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so you need a 'started host' | 17:46 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: thus requireing a PC host | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/rted/rter/ | 17:46 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ooh, so you need a 'starter host' | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: right, we are going to use uboot too for 'real' multiboot | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | but this way is nicely non-destructive | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, looking forward to that | 17:47 |
| lardman | hmm, does flasher work on 64bit Linux? | 17:47 |
| MNZ | lardman, yes | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | couldn't you shoot the new kernel to ram memory the dirty hard way, from maemo userland? | 17:48 |
| lardman | but is just unhappy to be installed from deb I guess | 17:48 |
| sivang | awee | 17:48 |
| sivang | notification-daemon has got to have something in place for filtering repeated messages in shrot period of time | 17:49 |
| MNZ | lardman, yeah, you need to --force-architecture | 17:49 |
| lardman | ah ok | 17:49 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:49 |
| sivang | trying to edit the usb netowrking settings while getting those now annoying popups is not cool | 17:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer seems to remember there's been a loadlinux.exe in the old days... | 17:49 | |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: kexec and arm drivers arent friends | 17:49 |
| sivang | rsyslog has it, so can notif-daemon? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: not kexec | 17:49 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: how then? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | really brute force | 17:49 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: forcefully copying to memory and JUMPing? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | write to memory absolute address, the jump to start of that program text | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: exactly | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: thats fairly like kexec | 17:50 |
| * MNZ imagines all the chaos that would create | 17:50 | |
| MNZ | wouldn't the device drivers go crazy? | 17:50 |
| sivang | MNZ: they won't "exist" anymore, per se | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: in host system it simply would kill everything. Luckily you're never returning to host system | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | reentry is the issue | 17:51 |
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| MNZ | the newly loaded device drivers I mean. The hw would be in a certain state and maybe the driver can't handle being loaded on already working/set-up hardware | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill scheduling all together, disable all timer IRQs | 17:52 |
| sivang | MNZ: right, so some resetting prior to the copying and JUMPing would be needed. | 17:52 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: killing scheduling would mean everything else dies? | 17:53 |
| MNZ | 'some' is an understatement sivang :D | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: then there'll be no reentry. the copy loop moving 4MB to a ram location, then next assembler opcode is a JMP 0 | 17:53 |
| sivang | MNZ: ;) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: whole system dies as soon as JMP start-of-new-kernel | 17:53 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: okay, but what if hardware still in waiting/up mode? | 17:54 |
| lardman | the hw should be initialised by the new drivers | 17:54 |
| sivang | ah right, a driver should not assume anything of a previous state. | 17:54 |
| sivang | -solved | 17:54 |
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| satmd | you'll have a warm boot | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: (kernel can't handle...) nope, kernel mustn't make any assumptions about state of hw, usually. NOLO also is messing with hw | 17:55 |
| lardman | but it might still be prettier to shut stuff down, to prevent odd screen and sound effects | 17:55 |
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| daleglass | Can I just mkfs.ext3 on /home/user/MyDocs, or there's something else that would need to be fixed? | 17:55 |
| h4waii | Er | 17:55 |
| h4waii | Why would you do that? | 17:56 |
| daleglass | why not? I'm a 100% Linux user, no need to limit myself to vfat | 17:56 |
| h4waii | Journaling it will slow it down. Dramatically. | 17:56 |
| steinex | can i install meego without an sdcard natively on the n900 already? | 17:56 |
| h4waii | You'll bring a new limit. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | steinex: you don't really want to, will wipe your emmc | 17:57 |
| h4waii | and you'll have to ask somebody how it will react, not being vFat | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: you can do as much of suspending or switching-off to the hw as you like, in meegostart-brute-force maemo ELF, prior to 'loading' the new kernel | 17:57 |
| lardman | yep | 17:57 |
| sivang | daleglass: you don't want to it be accessible from Windows? | 17:57 |
| steinex | Stskeeps: why is that a bad thing? | 17:57 |
| steinex | i have no critical data on here anyway | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | steinex: most people have a lot of data in those 32gb.. besides that, there's no easy way to make own mmc image | 17:58 |
| daleglass | sivang: never use it, and I generally upload stuff through ssh anyway | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ie, flashable by softupd | 17:58 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: wait a sec, so waht do you do if you bricked and need to recover? :) | 17:59 |
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| sivang | ah no easy, so there is a way :) | 17:59 |
| h4waii | Write it directly. | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (no easy way) but it's easy to change partition sizes, and maybe also rather easy to add new partitions | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a VANILLA file | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | NEW-HOME-SIZE=4096 | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | the other issue is that emmc flashing (softupd) is closed source | 18:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if flasher-3.5 --local can already do all this maemostart-brute-force kernel loading to ram, from maemo | 18:06 | |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: but freely available? | 18:07 |
| * lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for dd to finish | 18:07 | |
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| * lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for 32bit libs to install so he can use the flasher | 18:19 | |
| * h4waii jumps on the table | 18:20 | |
| lardman | flashed, time to see the wonders of Meego first hand :) | 18:21 |
| daleglass | did they move past the "show an xterm" stage? | 18:21 |
| lardman | I have a cursor | 18:21 |
| kerio | i thought they had the handset UI already there | 18:21 |
| w00t | they do, yes | 18:22 |
| lardman | hmm, needs something so you know it's still alive, rather than 30s+ of black screen during boot | 18:22 |
| kerio | it needs a lot of things | 18:23 |
| lardman | sure, just thinking out loud | 18:23 |
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| daleglass | Hmm, /home is rewritten when the EMMC image is flashed, right? | 18:25 |
| sivang | usb networking deos not seem to love me | 18:25 |
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| sivang | set up everything as in the doc, still not go | 18:26 |
| sivang | modules ar eup | 18:26 |
| sivang | up | 18:26 |
| sivang | both in ubuntu and Maemo, any obvious stuff to check as starters? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | cdc-eem | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | and 10.04 needed | 18:27 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | sivang: pastebin what you did and the errors | 18:29 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | sivang: specifically pastebin /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces from both the n900 and the computer | 18:30 |
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| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: sure, I did not do much, enabled the modules, set ips, route add gw and ping | 18:42 |
| * sivang pastes | 18:42 | |
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| * sivang hates playing with default routes | 18:49 | |
| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267597/ | 18:50 |
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| sivang | kthomas_vh_: another fellow N90 user from .il ? | 18:51 |
| sivang | *N900 | 18:51 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, well hello | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, you're from IL? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | must've missed that somewhere | 18:52 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I am, told you a couple of times when we ranted about how poor Orange's service is in here :) | 18:52 |
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| sivang | kthomas_vh_: have you like MohammadAG sinned with development as well? :) | 18:53 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: when you had issues and had to use near 56k connection , rmember?:) | 18:53 |
| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: anything wrong with the network conffile? | 18:54 |
| kthomas_vh_ | LOL | 18:54 |
| kthomas_vh_ | with all this cloaking going on, | 18:54 |
| kthomas_vh_ | can't even tell where anyone is from anymore :P | 18:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sivang: not sure about having gateways in both directions... | 18:54 |
| * kthomas_vh_ cues song | 18:54 | |
| MohammadAG | sivang, ah, when I was in jordan lol | 18:55 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: ah, okay heh | 18:56 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: service is quite poor in .il as well, but at least UMTS works for most of the parts | 18:56 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: service= service representative, consistent billing etc | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | 3G sucks | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | in Jordan I got 7.2MBps speeds on 3G | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | i.e + 1MB/s | 18:57 |
| * sivang drove last night from Haifa to Tel Aviv listening to The Voice | 18:57 | |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you can't get this here. | 18:57 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: technically advance, practically crippled :-p | 18:57 |
| * RST38h is mostly pissed off at hand-off problems between 2G and 3G | 18:58 | |
| RST38h | They are bad enough to make me force N900 into 2G | 18:58 |
| * kthomas_vh_ looks around for the Orange 3G dongle | 18:59 | |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: I don't think it gets you more then 2.8mbps | 18:59 |
| sivang | RST38h: you mean switching? | 18:59 |
| RST38h | sivang: autoswitching between 2g and 3g, as I am riding a bus or something | 19:00 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, and lucky at that | 19:00 |
| RST38h | confuses the hell out of the device | 19:00 |
| kthomas_vh_ | we've also lost the darn thing (not me...!) | 19:00 |
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| MohammadAG | you can get 8 from the one sold in JO | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | and JO isn't really more advanced than IL, so I'm a bit stumped | 19:02 |
| ZogG | wait you sold drugs in JO? | 19:02 |
| kthomas_vh_ | LOL | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | ~rape ZogG | 19:03 |
| * infobot takes ZogG behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 19:03 | |
| sivang | MohammadAG: .il is randomly adanced | 19:04 |
| ZogG | oh yeah | 19:04 |
| ZogG | one more time please | 19:04 |
| sivang | RST38h: you also need to use orange.il? | 19:04 |
| sivang | ZogG: dude, you're disturbed | 19:04 |
| RST38h | fortunately, no | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, doesn't live in IL | 19:04 |
| sivang | RST38h: close? | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | not even remotely | 19:05 |
| RST38h | sivang: .RU | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: well we are in the same time zone | 19:05 |
| sivang | e.g advanced in odd and very domain difference things | 19:05 |
| sivang | tried of this latency | 19:05 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | short flight if you're in the same time zone | 19:05 |
| * sivang logso out of his server and connects directly. | 19:05 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 19:05 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: you lost an N900? | 19:06 |
| kthomas_vh_ | anyone in .IL want a N810? | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | if you live at the exact north pole of the earth | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | what time zone are you in? | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | geographical, not magnetic north | 19:06 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, N, just a USB 3G dongle from Orange | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Determined by whoever owns the pole | 19:06 |
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| sivang | kthomas_vh_: eh, they charge an outrageous fee for it | 19:06 |
| kthomas_vh_ | *N810W | 19:06 |
| sivang | anyway, be right back | 19:06 |
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| ZogG | kthomas_vh_ how much? | 19:06 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, we got it for free | 19:06 |
| ZogG | does it work? | 19:07 |
| kthomas_vh_ | ZogG, | 19:07 |
| kthomas_vh_ | works fine | 19:07 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: As nobody lives there on the permanent basis, you can as well claim that the pole has no time zone | 19:07 |
| kthomas_vh_ | well taken care of | 19:07 |
| ZogG | how much? | 19:07 |
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| sivang | ah | 19:07 |
| sivang | that's better. | 19:07 |
| * kthomas_vh_ thinks | 19:07 | |
| kthomas_vh_ | 799NIS? | 19:07 |
| sivang | for N810? | 19:07 |
| ZogG | how much dollars is it? | 19:07 |
| * kthomas_vh_ wonders if that should be more, or less | 19:08 | |
| kthomas_vh_ | ZogG, you're not in .il? | 19:08 |
| ZogG | i am in here | 19:08 |
| kthomas_vh_ | ok, OK | 19:08 |
| ZogG | just want to compare to prices in net | 19:08 |
| kthomas_vh_ | that's ~$217 today | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, lol | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | sexy price | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | where exactly in IL? | 19:09 |
| sivang | close to tlv | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG | do you take payment in credit cards? :P | 19:10 |
| kthomas_vh_ | in TLV | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | jk | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | how is it? Like new, used, abused, "you'll wish you didn't buy it"? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: it's time for you to get an n810! | 19:11 |
| kthomas_vh_ | MohammadAG, how many gold cards can you bring me? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | and, btw, moo. | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG | kthomas_vh_, visas, visa cals :P | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, that's why I'm asking about it :P | 19:12 |
| kthomas_vh_ | it's used, very good condition | 19:12 |
| kthomas_vh_ | +wimax | 19:12 |
| javispedro | ooh | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | does IL even have wimax? lol | 19:12 |
| kthomas_vh_ | it does and I even saw somone who had made it work | 19:12 |
| RST38h | hey javispedro | 19:12 |
| kthomas_vh_ | but I didn't feel like | 19:13 |
| javispedro | afternoon RST38h | 19:13 |
| kthomas_vh_ | losing that much time | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | grr, if only I had a license or something | 19:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I would've came to tel aviv, it's only half an hour away | 19:14 |
| kthomas_vh_ | ? | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | (speed limits would disagree but... meh) | 19:14 |
| kthomas_vh_ | where are you? | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | Jerusalem | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | i thought you were in jordan? | 19:14 |
| kthomas_vh_ | oh, I'll probably be over there friday | 19:14 |
| * kthomas_vh_ too | 19:14 | |
| MohammadAG | I was in jordan, summer holidays | 19:14 |
| sivang | he's enjoying a bit colder weather then us | 19:15 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: where in Tel Aviv? | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | what are the speed limits in .il? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | 80 | 19:15 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: you visitng or here for work? | 19:15 |
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| jacekowski | mph? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | or 90 | 19:15 |
| sivang | jacekowski: KMH | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | kph | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | on motorway? | 19:15 |
| sivang | yes :) | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | shit | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | sadly | 19:15 |
| kthomas_vh_ | Florentine, | 19:15 |
| sivang | on the wide Ayalon you can drive almost 100 | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | my dad drives @ 120-130 on the motorway though | 19:15 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, some of that... it was high holidays, after all | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | in england it's ~115kmh | 19:16 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: true | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | and everybody does more | 19:16 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: and you work in mobile area? | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | between telaviv and jerusalem | 19:16 |
| sivang | jacekowski: yes | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | i'm ussualy closer to 160 | 19:16 |
| sivang | jacekowski: Autoban? | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | I don't even a damn license | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | no | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | motorway | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | +have* | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | or A class road | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: that's bad | 19:16 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you can start practicing no? | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: have you been in army? | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | I turned 17 in august | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | hmm, so next year | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, no, hint's in the name :P | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | nope, that's for israelis only afaik | 19:17 |
| sivang | jacekowski: we have issue, don't ask :) | 19:17 |
| kthomas_vh_ | sivang, primarily I make little tech parts of Drupal work, these days for $ | 19:17 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | or at least, for real $ | 19:18 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: ah I see | 19:18 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: where are you originally? | 19:18 |
| kthomas_vh_ | grew up mostly in the US, mostly in Kentucky | 19:19 |
| RST38h | FileBox thread overrun by lemmings. | 19:19 |
| sivang | again? | 19:19 |
| kthomas_vh_ | if you keep this up I'll tell you about going to Rosh Hashana at Vanderbilt, and being served pork | 19:19 |
| kthomas_vh_ | :) | 19:19 |
| * RST38h wonders if it is time to unsubscribe | 19:20 | |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: hehe | 19:20 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: I don't do Pork. | 19:20 |
| RST38h | nothin' wrong with pork, as long as it is consumed under rabbinic supervision! | 19:20 |
| javispedro | RST38h: 27 pages for a file manager. it is definitely time to unsubscribe. | 19:20 |
| sivang | haha | 19:20 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: where's Vanderbilt? | 19:21 |
| kthomas_vh_ | after I dropped all the yiddish I know on the kid who organized, | 19:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: 80% of that is "It works for me, thanks" and "It doesn't work for me, why?" | 19:21 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | he told me the deli charged the same whether he took the pork or not :) | 19:21 |
| sivang | oh dear | 19:21 |
| kthomas_vh_ | =Nashville, TN | 19:21 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | TN= Tennessee :) | 19:22 |
| javispedro | RST38h: sigh | 19:22 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I am still insisting on a moderated google group. | 19:23 |
| ZogG | news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_hi_te/ml_iran_cyber_attacks | 19:23 |
| ZogG | lol | 19:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: With all the usual suspects getting posting rights, and the rest being able to read but not write for 1-3 months since joining | 19:23 |
| ZogG | somebody brought porn to night shift | 19:23 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: that's old | 19:23 |
| RST38h | Ain't Revolutionary Guards supposed to catch and prosecuted these people? | 19:24 |
| RST38h | prosecute | 19:24 |
| ZogG | not in iran | 19:24 |
| ZogG | porn ftw | 19:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there's sometimes the single-post user who drops something insightful/useful then forever leaves. Such a system would leave him out. | 19:24 |
| ZogG | so it's common people who work at nuclear reactor =) | 19:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: there is moderation for that | 19:24 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'ning | 19:25 |
| javispedro | hey Jaffa | 19:25 |
| * sivang thinks that there might be enough people to have an .IL maemo hacking/meeting/sprint :-) | 19:25 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: get 5-10 moderators, let them pass some posts through, and grant posting privileges to new people once a week | 19:25 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | anyway, MohammadAG, if you're actually interested I should be in/around Jerusalem next weekend or so | 19:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Alternatively, it may be possible to establish a complex points system that rates each poster in terms of contribution and lets reader filter the lemmings out | 19:26 |
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| MohammadAG | Hmm, I actually was away, checked if I had 800 and I do | 19:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: But it is way more co,plicated technically | 19:26 |
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| MohammadAG | I'll ping you during the week I guess :) | 19:26 |
| kthomas_vh_ | kk, I'm pretty much always around (here) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I believe "reader-configurable" is the keyword here, and also the way to go. | 19:27 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: yea, except that nobody is going to make tmo reader-configurable | 19:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so it will have to be a separate forum | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | who knows. | 19:29 |
| javispedro | at this point thought there's only one future for tmo, and you all know it :) | 19:30 |
| javispedro | *though | 19:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I know for sure | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | boom. | 19:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: What I find the most amusing is that when Nokia releases the Harmattan device, it will lack support and/or community THE VERY MOMENT it is produced | 19:31 |
| h4waii | Wait, what? | 19:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: As it is basicaly going to be a Maemo, which Nokia has now officially abandoned | 19:31 |
| h4waii | <javispedro> at this point thought there's only one future for tmo, and you all know it :) | 19:32 |
| h4waii | What are you referring to? | 19:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: how's that different from previous devices? =) | 19:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So it will be pretty amusing to see how Nokia's PR/marketing people will weasel their way out of this one ;) | 19:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Of course it is different | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | I got the N810 knowing they where not dropping any more SSUs, I got the N900 knowing they would drop everything and switch to Qt | 19:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: With previous devices, there were Nokia-supported dev tools (SB), community (maemo.org), and support (bugzilla) | 19:33 |
| javispedro | and god knows if I'll ever get the N900+1 even though I know they will switch to Meego. | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | so there are no tools for meego? | 19:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yep, same here, but only because it does what the other devices on the market can't | 19:34 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Harmattan is *not* Meego at the system level | 19:34 |
| kerio | i thought the n9 was supposed to run meego | 19:34 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: So, it will most likely be based on Maemo dev tools + Qt | 19:34 |
| RST38h | It is possible that Meego Devices will officially switch developers to MADDE, too | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say that's quite likely, given that that's what meego sdk is based on | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | ie, non-platform sdk | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Otherwise they will have to support SB1 for god knows how long (they dropped SB2 already) | 19:36 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: surely, software porters will be quite amazed:) | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | here's to glibc not breaking ABI compatibility (and thus scratchbox) for the next 10 years! | 19:38 |
| sivang | RST38h: having just another release of Maemo with Qt dev tools would not be that bad, I think | 19:38 |
| sivang | javispedro: heh | 19:39 |
| steinex | hmm | 19:39 |
| steinex | anyone an idea if it is possible to catch terminal bells from x terminal? | 19:40 |
| sivang | steinex: aren't they special chars? | 19:40 |
| steinex | i would like to get notified when i have an hilight in irssi | 19:40 |
| steinex | sivang: yes | 19:40 |
| sivang | steinex: you can try and scan the output for that or logs if it gets propogated there.. | 19:41 |
| sivang | not sure | 19:41 |
| * sivang is talking out of his a** | 19:41 | |
| sivang | steinex: through a perl script installed into irssi | 19:41 |
| sivang | steinex: http://blog.ryara.net/2007/06/29/flashing-taskbar-with-putty-irssi-screen/ | 19:42 |
| steinex | yeah | 19:43 |
| satmd | that link doesn't mention a script | 19:43 |
| steinex | but how with n900s x terminal? ;) | 19:43 |
| sivang | satmd: right, it uses PuTTy's sensitivity to bells | 19:44 |
| sivang | damn | 19:44 |
| satmd | well... it's xterm, isn't it...there's a hint to ~/.Xdefaults | 19:44 |
| sivang | steinex: http://scripts.irssi.org/html/beep.pl.html ? | 19:45 |
| sivang | 19 #beep_commandif not empty, the specified command will be | 19:45 |
| sivang | 20 #executed instead of the normal terminal bell | 19:45 |
| steinex | its working for my irssi already. no need for a script | 19:45 |
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| steinex | just need to configure n900 | 19:45 |
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| steinex | will look into xdefaults | 19:46 |
| satmd | that script allow you to run something like aplay /usr/...some/..wav | 19:46 |
| satmd | +s | 19:46 |
| sivang | satmd: you can always add a command to send a notification through dbus to notification daemo or somesuch no? | 19:46 |
| sivang | through dbus-send , et al | 19:46 |
| satmd | mhm | 19:47 |
| sivang | but you do need irssi installed on the device | 19:47 |
| * sivang would prefer not tinkering with the N900's xterm | 19:47 | |
| satmd | actually. I'm only collecting new ideas :P | 19:47 |
| satmd | I'm not sure qt reads .Xdefaults | 19:48 |
| satmd | in the way we need it | 19:48 |
| sivang | satmd: better localize config to irssi | 19:48 |
| sivang | my hunch | 19:48 |
| satmd | nah, allowing xterm to notify you is a more general solution | 19:48 |
| satmd | it probably has a command itself for .Xdefaults to run a command or something | 19:49 |
| sivang | ah, okay so to allow any bells to be sent? | 19:49 |
| satmd | ... in case it can't make use of hildon's notification | 19:49 |
| * satmd nods | 19:49 | |
| sivang | that could be nice, sending an SMS when a bells is signaled for example | 19:49 |
| sivang | so when I press too many backspaces and irssi bells, I get my SMS account drained! | 19:50 |
| * sivang kids | 19:50 | |
| satmd | manpage says no :( | 19:50 |
| satmd | so. hopefully visual bell works out for steinex | 19:51 |
| steinex | trying now | 19:52 |
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| sivang | steinex: yes, that's what I sw now | 19:52 |
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| sivang | satmd: how do you intercept visual bell in xterm? | 19:54 |
| sivang | satmd: (if not in irssi) | 19:54 |
| satmd | you can't. "manpage says no" | 19:55 |
| sivang | satmd: ah okay | 19:55 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ah, I would not worry about glibc on this one :) | 19:57 |
| RST38h | javispedro: more interested in how many years GNOME has left to live | 19:57 |
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| mc_teo` | i need to restart my n900 every few days as it gets unbareably slow | 19:58 |
| javispedro | RST38h: so far, no recent events presage its doom (yes, even with LGPL Qt) | 19:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: but is Gnome being developed at all? Have not seen anything new in it for a while | 20:00 |
| RST38h | (not that it is a bad thing, of course :)) | 20:00 |
| sivang | mc_teo`: never happens to me, any exotic apps ? | 20:01 |
| * sivang has ALOT of apps | 20:01 | |
| sivang | from all over | 20:01 |
| javispedro | RST38h: well, they at least added a change spell correction language option in textboxes! | 20:01 |
| RST38h | omg | 20:01 |
| javispedro | I was quite missing that one =) | 20:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: could you check who owns files in /opt? | 20:02 |
| javispedro | previously all you could do is change locale (or LANG var) and restart application | 20:02 |
| RST38h | are they all root:root? | 20:02 |
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| mc_teo` | sivang: well ive a few extra dev or testing | 20:02 |
| mc_teo` | not that i use them much | 20:02 |
| sivang | RST38h: I saw some new branches created for some compoenents | 20:02 |
| RST38h | interesting | 20:02 |
| * sivang tries to recall them since gmail is hard to search through today | 20:03 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: you mean on my n900? | 20:03 |
| RST38h | yes | 20:03 |
| javispedro | no, some are owned by user:users | 20:03 |
| sivang | mc_teo`: try tp open a terminal, and run top | 20:03 |
| javispedro | (in a typical maemo fashion) | 20:03 |
| mc_teo` | like today someone was bringing me, and the phone started vibrating, but the screen stayed black until the 5th ring | 20:03 |
| sivang | mc_teo`: or better, ssh to the device and run top through a wifi connection, then you can get a good idea of what's going on when calls are coming in, smss apps running etc | 20:03 |
| mc_teo` | then opened in wrong position | 20:04 |
| RST38h | javispedro: which ones? | 20:04 |
| javispedro | ... but I have some files owned by 1000 which is my desktop uid so I clearly have some stuff broken | 20:04 |
| javispedro | *desktop user uid | 20:04 |
| * RST38h accidentally chowned them all to root:root | 20:04 | |
| MohammadAG | grr, what's wrong with this code http://pastebin.com/1AjDHp4L | 20:05 |
| RST38h | dunno if it is bad | 20:05 |
| javispedro | all of offscr-* is user:users | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | Object::connect: No such slot MainWindow::about() | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | Object::connect: (sender name: 'actionAbout') | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | Object::connect: (receiver name: 'MainWindow') | 20:05 |
| javispedro | gvm is user:users | 20:05 |
| RST38h | ah yes I know | 20:05 |
| javispedro | (possibly my fault) | 20:05 |
| RST38h | you have not processed it with moc | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | moc? | 20:05 |
| RST38h | google moc qt | 20:06 |
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| pupnik | keep an even keel on the karmic river | 20:06 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: I think that on a default install you can safely assume everything is root:root | 20:07 |
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| javispedro | only offscr-* stuff and some extra third packages aren't | 20:08 |
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| sivang | hmm | 20:10 |
| sivang | 10.04.1 LTS's kernel 2.6.32-24-generic just hanged | 20:11 |
| sivang | quite a while since that happened to me wiht a linux on a desktop | 20:11 |
| javispedro | and you say you have an n900? =) | 20:11 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, missed the desktop part :) | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: good to know | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Have you got acquainted with moc already? :) | 20:13 |
| pupnik | come to the basement and i'll show you my unsold gnomes | 20:14 |
| sivang | javispedro: I only had to take out the battery twice since I got it | 20:14 |
| sivang | javispedro: :) | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, well, it says if you use qmake it should autohandle moc :) | 20:14 |
| sivang | javispedro: and I do internet radio over 3G through fm trasmitter alot :-) | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | We recommend using Trolltech's makefile generation tool, qmake, for building your makefiles. This tool generates a makefile that does all the necessary moc handling. | 20:15 |
| * sivang wanted to felt like hearing Finnish in last night's driving, N900 made this possible | 20:15 | |
| sivang | ah...moc | 20:16 |
| sivang | s/wanted to felt/felt/ | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I recommend not | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: half-baked | 20:17 |
| sivang | RST38h had a bit of a fight with the tools last night.. | 20:17 |
| sivang | running into linkig issues et al | 20:17 |
| sivang | and some odd bug? | 20:17 |
| javispedro | well, if your application is pure-qt you should reallly use qmake, otherwise you might die. | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Actually, so is moc, but let is hope you will not encounter problems | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I.e. "If you work for Trolltech, you should use qmake, otherwise you might die" | 20:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: but the world and his wife are using it on new MeeGo apps and tons of Qt apps built already? | 20:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: HAHA | 20:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: there's no trolltech anymore no? | 20:18 |
| RST38h | sivang: How many meego apps, exactly? | 20:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: I don't know :-) | 20:18 |
| RST38h | sivang: Whatever Nokia group it turned into | 20:18 |
| RST38h | sivang: exactly. | 20:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h: note "pure-qt" -- their subset/superset of c++ | 20:18 |
| sivang | but skype, volvo | 20:18 |
| sivang | other companies | 20:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: subset | 20:18 |
| javispedro | ah yes, touché. | 20:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Have you seen moc doc page? | 20:18 |
| javispedro | yes, superset is a wrong word here. | 20:19 |
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| javispedro | subset+"additions". | 20:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Check this out: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/moc.html#limitations | 20:19 |
| RST38h | (if you are eating, you may want to finish your food before checking this page out) | 20:19 |
| javispedro | the first one is shocking enough | 20:20 |
| javispedro | smells of someone fighting hard to keep their ABI stable. | 20:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro:I got bitten by "Also, be sure that only the first inherited class is a QObject." | 20:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: smellsof someone not caring about real world applications of their tool | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Because, let us be frank, there is absolutely no problem generating moc code that explicitely refers to only one of parent classes' QObjects | 20:22 |
| RST38h | (check the code moc generates, you will see) | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: or like Java, where the initial version was all but useless and for some reason recent versions keep willing to maintain compatibility with such useless VM. Thus introducing much-loved stuff like type erasure | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Well, Java is going to be dead in a year, hopefully. So, let us leave it rest in peace | 20:23 |
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| sivang | hmm | 20:23 |
| sivang | second hang up | 20:23 |
| sivang | seems like connecting the N900 to the ubuntu makes it cry | 20:23 |
| sivang | or the usb module insertion | 20:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: btw neiehter qmake nor moc appear to process #ifdefs/#ifs/etc properly, so if you use these for conditional compilation, you are toast | 20:24 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: they don't use the host preprocessor? O.o | 20:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And no __cplusplus either, so if you mix C/C++ code, you are still toast | 20:24 |
| sivang | RST38h: where did you spot this? | 20:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Apparently, they plug in before the preprocessor | 20:24 |
| RST38h | sivang: Yesterday, when trying to pass my stuff through moc | 20:24 |
| sivang | RST38h: I mean, the ifdefs ignorament ? | 20:25 |
| RST38h | sivang: Even in trolltech's document, they say: "Another limitation is that moc does not expand macros, so you for example cannot use a macro to declare a signal/slot or use one to define a base class for a QObject." | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | only sane approach to this is to keep your code as away from the qt stuff as possible | 20:27 |
| RST38h | basically, yes, but it did not help me much | 20:27 |
| sivang | RST38h: hmm so Q_PROPERTY just gets around that somehow? one of the most used macros I've seen in Qt code.. | 20:28 |
| * RST38h wrote "class EMULib: public QApplication, public QMainWindow { ..." and hell broke loose | 20:28 | |
| sivang | RST38h: err sorry | 20:28 |
| sivang | RST38h: that's irrelavant, as moc only interferes with non standard C++ | 20:28 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and also limit yourself to their c++ subset when qt stuff is required | 20:28 |
| sivang | is the subset documented somewhere? /me checks the moc doc | 20:29 |
| javispedro | sivang: page quoted a few lines above | 20:29 |
| javispedro | no virtual inheritance, no templates... seems like java already | 20:29 |
| sivang | javispedro: yes, my ubuntu keeps hanging though so I lost it :) | 20:30 |
| javispedro | sivang: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/moc.html#limitations | 20:30 |
| sivang | javispedro: thanks | 20:30 |
| * sivang removes packages now though HAM after an apt-get clean saved the day | 20:30 | |
| * sivang would like to implement an action to low space, to auto-run clean and then tell users to start removing apps | 20:31 | |
| RST38h | sivang: moc interferes with perfectly legal, standard c++ | 20:31 |
| RST38h | sivang: and that is a problem, when you are planning to add qt ui to your code, especially existing, industrial code | 20:32 |
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| sivang | RST38h: I need to do thourhg reading to see where it interferes, I thought was confiend to the slots:/signals: and some other minor stuff to allow it implement it. | 20:32 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | ha | 20:35 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | nothing like a good Hayek quote | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | OMWeather broke down =( | 20:36 |
| lcukn900 | as soon as i get home i am going offline for a while. not sure what the other end will bring but i have to sort out my head from some family issues. rodarvus i will be in work as soon as its sorted. | 20:36 |
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| h4waii | Hmm. | 20:38 |
| sivang | kthomas_vh_: sasha baron cohen "hairy thighes" selma Hyek? | 20:39 |
| kthomas_vh_ | well | 20:40 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | * doc|home has quit (Quit: “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they know about what they imagine they can design.” F. A. Hayek) | 20:40 |
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| sivang | "Another change to the build system is that moc now understands preprocessor directives. qmake automatically passes the defines set for your project (using "DEFINES +=") on to moc, which has its own built-in C++ preprocessor." | 20:40 |
| javispedro | why, oh why the n900 doesn't have a hardware reset button | 20:43 |
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| * sivang shared the pain | 20:43 | |
| merlin1991 | javispedro, it does, it's called batter and it's "Plug n play" ;) | 20:44 |
| merlin1991 | *battery* | 20:44 |
| javispedro | it can't be good for the battery cover | 20:44 |
| sivang | javispedro: the battery cover holds up surprisingly | 20:46 |
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| javispedro | the worst part is that I cannot even run the thing with the battery cover open, as it will refuse to mount the sd card | 20:47 |
| sivang | javispedro: nevere checked if the sd card is mounted when the cover is open, otherwise evrything else works | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG | it's disabled on the kernel level | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | a custom kernel should solve the problem | 20:49 |
| RST38h | when cover is open, sd card is dismounted | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | ^ on the kernel level | 20:49 |
| RST38h | omg vlad broke something big | 20:49 |
| javispedro | n810 had a separate cover! :( | 20:49 |
| javispedro | (for the sd card ) | 20:50 |
| sivang | a good precaution measure? | 20:50 |
| kerio | a design flaw | 20:50 |
| sivang | there's a good chance the sd card wil be removed when the cover is open, regardless if the phone is operating or not. | 20:50 |
| sivang | so better be safe. | 20:50 |
| sivang | I think that's not bad. | 20:50 |
| kerio | sivang: huh... no | 20:50 |
| kerio | the chance of µsd removal is exactly 0% if the user doesn't want to remove the µsd | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | at boot up it's retarded | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | since I sometimes want to boot another OS after removing the batt | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | here's to hoping they sell replacement covers when mine inevitably breaks down | 20:53 |
| kerio | sure, nokia definetely sells them :) | 20:53 |
| sivang | javispedro: do you live where the device is official? | 20:53 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: how does it run without the battery? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | yep, but I've never seen one (then again never asked) | 20:53 |
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| javispedro | ^sivang. | 20:54 |
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| sivang | javispedro: so you'd be at better shape to do that then us :) | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | the battery isn't stuck to the cover | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, they do, but the cover is quite strong | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | I change 3 batteries a day | 20:55 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: boot another OS after removing the batt | 20:55 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: 3?? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | yes, 3 | 20:55 |
| sivang | you ordered in from ebay? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: btw on the N810 if you remove the cover battery falls down | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | same on the N95 javispedro | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | it annoyed me | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | but the N95 only had a battery under the cover, so you don't have to remove it often | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | didn't* | 20:56 |
| javispedro | a quick question: do the tablets-dev n900 meego images open usbnet or something I can use to debug why it's hanging on boot? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, 192.168.2.15 | 20:57 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | what version is it? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | do you have your back cover on? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | latest (24 sept iirc) | 20:58 |
| javispedro | yep, it mounts rootfs | 20:58 |
| javispedro | I am using a weirdo sd layout so I guess it can't find swap. | 20:59 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: do you highlight meego-arm image questions? :) | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | could you drop into #meego-arm? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: no, i'm just an irc addict | 20:59 |
| sivang | heh | 20:59 |
| bef0rd | it boots without swap for me | 20:59 |
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| sivang | lo achipa | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | evening achipa | 21:00 |
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| achipa | 'evening | 21:01 |
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| norayr | I have extracted sdk tgz for diablo from here` http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/armel/, and now | 21:04 |
| norayr | How can I chroot into? | 21:04 |
| norayr | on device itself | 21:05 |
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| satmd | what error are you seeing? | 21:06 |
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| norayr | Ah I did it :) | 21:07 |
| norayr | mount -o bind /proc /media/mmc2/sdk/proc | 21:07 |
| norayr | same with dev | 21:07 |
| norayr | and chroot | 21:07 |
| norayr | :) | 21:07 |
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| satmd | maybe /sys, too? ;D | 21:08 |
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| GAN900 | achipa, congrats. | 21:20 |
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| norayr | from within a chroot: | 21:22 |
| norayr | Nokia-N810-43-7:/home/user# apt-get update | 21:22 |
| norayr | Ign http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk Release.gpg | 21:22 |
| norayr | 16% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor | 21:22 |
| norayr | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! | 21:22 |
| norayr | any ideas? | 21:22 |
| norayr | and yes I also mounted /sys | 21:22 |
| norayr | Besides, what if I add diablo/sdk to my regular sources.list? | 21:22 |
| norayr | why do I need chroot? | 21:23 |
| satmd | hm | 21:23 |
| satmd | this shouldn't be the reason... but did you copy over /etc/resolv.conf from the host? | 21:23 |
| satmd | if dns fails... it should be another message, but... well, one thing we can easily check | 21:24 |
| norayr | It is able to resolve | 21:24 |
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| satmd | mh | 21:24 |
| norayr | I have checked | 21:24 |
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| norayr | but /etc/resolve.conf points to 127.0.0.1 | 21:24 |
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| norayr | I mean, if I copy the system to mmc | 21:24 |
| satmd | that should be fine for chroot | 21:24 |
| norayr | I will have space for development, etc | 21:25 |
| satmd | tbo I haven't seen that message with apt-get yet | 21:25 |
| norayr | but, may be initfs_flasher will replace the kernel with rotation support | 21:25 |
| achipa | GAN900: thx | 21:25 |
| norayr | or may be i can just cp -a the system, and then chroot /mnt/initfs and say it to boot from mmc | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | any hints what's doing the name swap mmc0/1 during boot? when, and how? maybemeven WHY? | 21:26 |
| norayr | /etc/fstab I guess? | 21:26 |
| satmd | fstab can *remount* /, but not change the root | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fstab is generated, and can't rename /dev/* | 21:27 |
| satmd | technically fstab is too late during boot | 21:28 |
| norayr | I thought you want to swap mount points | 21:28 |
| norayr | udev? udev rules? | 21:28 |
| * satmd thinks of kexec | 21:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | udev is what I suspect too | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: ?? | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | any details? | 21:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: my n900 is busy at the moment, but I do suspect udev rules too | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and WHY? | 21:30 |
| javispedro | there is bmo report iir | 21:30 |
| javispedro | c | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh thnx | 21:31 |
| javispedro | bug #2747 | 21:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing | 21:31 |
| * norayr goes to prepare tea and thinks about cp-in rootfs without reflashing kernel image | 21:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly for THAT mess I'd prefer ssitching to mount_by_label, as muc as I usually deprecate it | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but then prolly messybox mount never heard of that | 21:34 |
| * satmd feels the pain of mmc* renumbering | 21:34 | |
| * satmd has the same with 6 sd* devices | 21:34 | |
| kerio | mounting by label is awesome | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | had that even back in diablo days | 21:34 |
| satmd | or by id | 21:34 |
| satmd | the label can be changes easily, the id will be the same until you format | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (the mess, bug) | 21:35 |
| satmd | -s+d | 21:35 |
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| pupnik | http://theexplosivegeneration.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/hipster!!!.jpg hahaha! {sfw} | 21:37 |
| ieatlint | pupnik: it's true, i've a friend whose done that | 21:38 |
| ieatlint | and the hipster was pissed | 21:38 |
| disco_stu | hilo, anyone using transmission ? cant get mine to work on the n800, maybe i missing something out | 21:38 |
| pupnik | awesome | 21:39 |
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| satmd | :D | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: (2747) meh, status:reopened | 21:48 |
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| norayr | hey, what if instead of running nupgrade.sh etc, I just copy root fs to mmc, and then run chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | *cough* what? | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds like arcane spell to me | 21:53 |
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| javispedro | evil DocScrutinizer51 | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | ah, you didn't reopen it =) | 22:02 |
| javispedro | what's nupgrade.sh? | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, and what's doin' cal-tool there? | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | cal-tool was there on n8x0 | 22:05 |
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| norayr | yep, I use diablo | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh, it's prolly hard to believe but on N810 I always stayed in a strictly enduser attitude | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a pity | 22:19 |
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| norayr | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | scrolling isn't tear free in the SDK | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | so it IS because of the lack of vsync | 22:27 |
| javispedro | again this one? | 22:28 |
| javispedro | scrolling is not tear free mostly because of Gtk+ | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, I just used the SDK UI :P | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I know it's smoother in Qt | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | but still | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | look at microB's bookmark list in the SDK | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, tearing doesn't really annoy me, was just pointing it out | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | my sdk setup is weird. i'm using a customized build of vmgl to render it =) | 22:29 |
| Nirtal | Hello! Is there any good/big n900 channel that regards non-maemo stuff? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | non-maemo stuff? | 22:30 |
| Nirtal | I wan't to install some other OS on the n900 | 22:30 |
| javispedro | what other os? | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | which OS? | 22:30 |
| javispedro | :P | 22:30 |
| * MohammadAG checks povbot to see who won | 22:30 | |
| javispedro | grammatically, you. | 22:31 |
| Nirtal | I wan't to try the ubuntu netbook remix, and see if it's nice on the n900 | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | Nirtal: feel free to discuss it here | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | Nirtal: most of the time, it's OK | 22:31 |
| Nirtal | ok =) | 22:31 |
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| Nirtal | Does any one know if it's possible? | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | Nirtal: if you go into OS specifics, other channels might be more appropriate (#nitdroid for Android on Nokia Internet Tablets), etc. | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | there's #NITUbuntu, but it's quiet | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | I know Gentoo is possible, never tried or heard about ubuntu though | 22:32 |
| * MohammadAG kicks crashanddie | 22:32 | |
| MohammadAG | it's my project! | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | though I really haven't worked on it lately | 22:32 |
| Nirtal | I see that there is an armel build for ubuntu netbook | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/NITUbuntu/NITUbuntu.tar.bz2 | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | R&D mode required mind you | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | or a watchdog-less kernel, which I doubt anyone compiled/wants | 22:34 |
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| Hoxzer | Nirtal: well it is possible to run debian so I would be suprised if the same wouldn't work for ubuntu netbook | 22:34 |
| Nirtal | MohammadAG do you have any screenshots of nitubuntu? | 22:34 |
| Hoxzer | *debian in chroot | 22:34 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=745610 | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | Hoxzer, ubuntu runs natively, not inside a chroot | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | so it's different from Easy Debian | 22:40 |
| Hoxzer | kk nice :) | 22:41 |
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| jophish | How open source is the maemo media player? | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | 0? | 22:41 |
| jophish | rats | 22:41 |
| jophish | I want to make it better though! | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG | we all do | 22:42 |
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| jophish | Although I'm sure that nothing a mere mortal can do could make such an epitome of user interface and software engineering brilliance any better. | 22:42 |
| lardman | jophish: should be reasonably easy, the closed bit is only the varnish over the top | 22:42 |
| lardman | now what are the names of the playlist library stuff, etc? | 22:43 |
| jophish | lardman: That's probably the bit I want to change, just a simple way to browse music by directory structure | 22:43 |
| jophish | mafw? | 22:43 |
| lardman | indeed | 22:43 |
| lardman | mafw + gstreamer and you're away | 22:44 |
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| lardman | supposedly anyway | 22:45 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:45 |
| * ShadowJK just discovered n900 location subsystem loses the speed transmitted by external bluetooth gps | 22:46 | |
| ShadowJK | this explains why ovi maps wasn't autorotating into direction of travel | 22:46 |
| lardman | it probably only wants to know location | 22:46 |
| lardman | oh right | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | and sygic maps was running at 1 fps | 22:46 |
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| ShadowJK | with speed info, sygic interpolates the steps between gps fixes that come at 1hz | 22:47 |
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| lardman | does the internal gps supply speed data? | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 22:47 |
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| lardman | oh right | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | the external does too, but gpsd/location/whatever loses it | 22:47 |
| lardman | sure | 22:47 |
| lardman | strange that it's lost on the one but not the other | 22:48 |
| lardman | bug! ;) | 22:48 |
| lardman | night all | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | well in pr1.0 it lost satellite ifo too | 22:49 |
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| ShadowJK | and some things used the absence of satellite info to filter out network based inaccurate positions | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | so external gps was basically useless in 1.0 | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: am I right about this assumption: hal-addon-bme has an interface (of whatever kind, rpc? socks?) to bme, and is converting battery status msgs to a 'better' format, then send it to hal via dbus | 22:58 |
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| ghostcube_ | hi folks. anyone using urpo? | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: it's communicating over bme socket | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: but that's exactly the one of 2 ends I'm not interested in as I hope to get rif of bme, socket, and hal-addon-bme | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rid* | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sending dbus msgs to hal directly from jrbme instead | 23:04 |
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| ghostcube_ | is there a ssh-askpass package? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ssh-askpass? | 23:22 |
| ghostcube_ | hmm i cant get urpo to work with my pc | 23:24 |
| ghostcube_ | seems the auth by file fails and i dont know why | 23:25 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, Mer had a replacement hald-addon-bme btw | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: I know, that's why I asked Stskeeps | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | just about to find out how hald-addon-* are started | 23:32 |
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| FireFly | Hi, does anyone know what shell scripts was executed on MSM connection/disconnection? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | MSM? | 23:52 |
| FireFly | mass storage mode | 23:52 |
| FireFly | Could be on USB cable connection/disconnection, don't remember exactly | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# osso-usb-mass-storage- | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh osso-usb-mass-storage-is-used.sh | 23:53 |
| FireFly | Oh, nice, thanks | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | pcsuite-enable/disable.sh for PCM :) | 23:53 |
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