| mc_teo` | ah, its the demo package is conflicting with the full install package | 00:00 |
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| mc_teo` | so unistalling the demo should let it update | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | ew | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | IPv6 redefines the TOS bits as "undefined" :/ | 00:02 |
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| ShadowJK | i think they were already redefined in ipv4 too | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't you Lurve spec bugs! | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 | 00:03 |
| povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. | 00:03 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 00:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | 'mashing the two keys shouldn't work reliably' = broken spec | 00:03 |
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| luke-jr | the proxy should respond to ARP on its own.. | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ARP, probably ping | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | provided its connection is alive | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | no, that would be evi | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | evil | 00:05 |
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| th3hate | this folder is taking 200Mb of /home (/home/user/kroll) how can i symlink it into MyDocs? | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it's purely files, and does not have any ownership or permissions requirements, simply copy it, and then symlink the directory | 00:07 |
| mc_teo` | SpeedEvil: ha, i would of thought the buttons label would make it obvious | 00:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: Sure. | 00:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: However - is there any sane rationale at all for mashing the two buttons sometimes working, sometimes not? | 00:08 |
| th3hate | SpeedEvil, can you tell me how to? cp /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs ? | 00:09 |
| th3hate | will that work? | 00:09 |
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| mc_teo` | no | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | you need cp -R I think | 00:09 |
| mc_teo` | mv /home/user/kroll/* /home/user/MyDocs/kroll/ | 00:10 |
| th3hate | kroll is game, so files are required for it to run i guess | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | If it has binaries, it will not work. | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | As they will not be executable on mydocs | 00:10 |
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| mc_teo` | can you not chmod +x | 00:11 |
| th3hate | core.pakd000, core.pakh, game_user_info.savegame, Kroll | 00:11 |
| * luke-jr ponders if this can be integrated into iodine sanely | 00:11 | |
| th3hate | these are the files | 00:11 |
| mc_teo` | or is that a security feature | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: vfat does not support +x | 00:11 |
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| th3hate | i have a duplicate dir (/home/home/xxx) | 00:14 |
| th3hate | is it safe to delete it? | 00:14 |
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| th3hate | can i delete this dir to free rootfs? /var/lib/dpkg | 00:26 |
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| liori | th3hate: only if you never want to install or remove any app later | 00:27 |
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| th3hate | i'll take that as a no | 00:28 |
| th3hate | i only have 40 app installed , yet rootfs is 90% full | 00:28 |
| th3hate | doubt any non-optified apps are installed | 00:28 |
| liori | th3hate: have you actually checked which files take the most space? | 00:29 |
| th3hate | yeah, using storage usage app to figure out | 00:30 |
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| th3hate | /usr/lib is taking up 171Mb of rootfs | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | 1.1? | 00:30 |
| th3hate | 1.2 | 00:31 |
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| h4waii | Let's say I wanted to launch osso-xterm upon boot, after hildon pops up. | 00:33 |
| h4waii | Why does an upstart script waiting for hildon-desktop not work? Is it a different trigger PID I need? | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | well, it does work | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | but osso-xterm fails to connect to Xserver probably | 00:34 |
| h4waii | Makes perfect sense. | 00:34 |
| h4waii | Solution? | 00:35 |
| h4waii | I'm creating a script to snapshot processes so I can open them after a nightly power-cycle. | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | export DISPLAY=:0 before executing xterm | 00:38 |
| h4waii | and fcron doesn't support @reboot for some recockulous reason | 00:38 |
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| firestorm | vnc server is not under the apps is there another deposrity *spellin* i need to add? | 00:40 |
| h4waii | VNCserver? x11vnc? | 00:41 |
| kerio | ~debian firestorm | 00:41 |
| * infobot tells firestorm to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 00:41 | |
| firestorm | oh ffs thanks h4waii :) | 00:42 |
| h4waii | jacekowski, still doesn't open it. | 00:42 |
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| h4waii | Perhaps, xsession instead of hildon-desktop ? | 00:44 |
| th3hate | mv /usr/share/nokia-maps /home/opt/ | 00:45 |
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| th3hate | mv:cannot remove '/home/opt/nokia-maps' : is a directory | 00:45 |
| th3hate | any idea why? | 00:46 |
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| joelpet | hi! i installed openjazz on my N900 and used the settings option to remap the keys.. problem is that they seem to have been remapped on a global system level. any idea on how to fix this? | 00:46 |
| h4waii | th3hate; the error message is right there. It's a directory. | 00:47 |
| th3hate | h4waii, right but i wanna move it out of rootfs, any idea how? | 00:47 |
| th3hate | oh nevermind , it's already in /opt i guess | 00:48 |
| h4waii | Please make sure you symlink it back. | 00:49 |
| th3hate | actually it's both in /root and /opt | 00:50 |
| th3hate | pfft | 00:50 |
| th3hate | that's why rootfs is full | 00:50 |
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| h4waii | jacekowski, FYI - run-standalone.sh fixed it, without exporting the variable. | 00:51 |
| mc_teo` | th3hate: i think you need a move -R | 00:51 |
| firestorm | urgh been so long can't remeber how to use this phone! | 00:52 |
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| mc_teo` | mv -R rather | 00:52 |
| th3hate | what does -R stand for? | 00:53 |
| h4waii | recursive. | 00:53 |
| mc_teo` | well you cant rm a dir without -r so i presume the same for mv | 00:54 |
| mc_teo` | but since -r and -R probably have different functions, i would double check on google | 00:55 |
| th3hate | what about ln -s, what is it for? | 00:55 |
| mc_teo` | link symbolicoly, iirc | 00:55 |
| joelpet | yep, that's correct | 00:55 |
| mc_teo` | ln is link, the -s means symlink | 00:56 |
| th3hate | you think this will work to free up /home? | 00:58 |
| th3hate | mv /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs/ | 00:58 |
| th3hate | ln -s /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs/kroll | 00:58 |
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| th3hate | kroll is a game taking 200mb of /home | 00:58 |
| mc_teo` | will fapmans apt gui ever replace the app manager | 00:59 |
| mc_teo` | or at least use some of his code to speed up the app manager | 01:00 |
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| Shadikka | yeah, the scrolling in that actually feels nice | 01:00 |
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| th3hate | is it safe to delete some locales i don't need in usr/share/locale to free rootfs space? | 01:01 |
| Shadikka | Probably, but don't quote me on that. | 01:02 |
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| mc_teo` | th3hate: i pretty sure there are loads of wiki tutorials that give you many options to free rootfs space | 01:02 |
| pupnik | Really bad news people: REALLY bad news on the software law side >>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars | 01:03 |
| th3hate | mc_teo`, i did everything menitioned in the wiki, yet my rootfs is still 86% full | 01:03 |
| mc_teo` | and i dont mind the scrolling, its just currently, there is no way to select numerous packages to install | 01:04 |
| mc_teo` | or update | 01:04 |
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| mc_teo` | i would rather select a few, and install them in one go, rather than waiting the few minutes in between | 01:05 |
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| h4waii | th3hate, yes. But make sure you delete the right ones. | 01:05 |
| th3hate | h4waii, i guess everything but en_GB | 01:05 |
| h4waii | Very much not so. | 01:06 |
| Shadikka | mc_teo`: well, let me rephrase that, the scrolling in it is something I wouldn't mind seeing as the Maemo default | 01:06 |
| h4waii | At the least, symlink them out of / and into /opt | 01:06 |
| mc_teo` | th3hate: one of the tutorials definately mentioned moving the locales and symlinking them | 01:07 |
| liori | th3hate: in debian there is a nice package `localepurge`. i don't know if it is in maemo repos too | 01:07 |
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| joelpet | Ah, seems like openjazz set the keyboard to english layout and then did not reset it to swedish (which is what i am currently using). So problem solved by editing the settings in Text input---> Hardware kerbord layout | 01:08 |
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| th3hate | just noticed most of ovi free apps aren't optified, weatherbug for example takes 3Mb of rootfs | 01:16 |
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| lindi- | could some sort of overlay filesystem be better suited for choosing dynamically what to store on rootfs and what on sd? | 01:18 |
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| RST38h | very other hour | 01:20 |
| RST38h | or two to give the impression of never sleeping | 01:20 |
| RST38h | sorry wrong paste | 01:20 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5635207/will-you-buy-a-nokia-device-in-the-future | 01:21 |
| RST38h | Here, check it out | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | check what out.. | 01:22 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess I'll have to fire up a web browser then if you wont say :P | 01:23 |
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| luke-jr | hmm, better than a proxy would be having the servers in question just not send data until needed … ;P | 01:24 |
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| luke-jr | wait, I already thought of that… problem is there are two different "better"s | 01:25 |
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| luke-jr | problem with a proxy is the added latency | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | for those real-time things… | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | lol real time | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | on 3g | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: like RTP | 01:30 |
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| ShadowJK | data stops for a second if the operator decides to upgrade you from 3g to hsdpa or downgrade you from hsdpa to 3g :) | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | so never? | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | N900 has no hsdpa, n00b | 01:31 |
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| ShadowJK | ... it does | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You can never convince all servers on the net to do this. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | You can with a proxy | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | isn't hsdpa = 4G? | 01:32 |
| Wolfie | 3.5 | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, that's up to politicians to decide | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | but N900 calls it "3.5G" | 01:32 |
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| luke-jr | o | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | Typically wimax and LTE are called 4g | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | N900 has 10 Mbit/s HSDPA and 2 MBit/s HSUPA | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | so I should just force 3G only? | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | You can force "3g or 3.5g but no 2g or 2.5g", but you can't do "3g only no 3.5g" | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 01:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Basically data isn't realtime | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it will be on 4g in the future.. | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | so how are calls supposed to work? | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | calls don't use packet data | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | calls don't use IP | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know what encapsulation 'video calls' use/ | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | on 4g they're supposed to, so I guess operators can still charge you through the nose for not randomly delaying your packets by seconds during calls | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | That is 'normal' 3G video calls | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, whatever it is, it's probably like MMS+WAP, a "Not Invented Here" redesign of some standard internet protocol | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering if there was a way to use it for point-point data | 01:37 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: no? SIP is packet | 01:38 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://www.radvision.com/NR/rdonlyres/87BFD933-F834-49D8-9266-FD3D6F230740/0/3G324M_Integration_to_Windows_Mobile.pdf | 01:39 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, "normal" voice calls aren't SIP | 01:39 |
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| h4waii | Uh what? You can force 2G and no 2.5G? | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | no | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: SIP is all the voice I have | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | On a data link that will happily delay packets for half a minute if it feels like it :) | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | ☹ | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | is this a limitation of the spec(s), or of Nokia's blob/ | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | ? | 01:41 |
| h4waii | What limitaion? | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | being unable to lock to 3G only | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | or 2G only | 01:41 |
| h4waii | AFAIK, a bit of 4 different columns. | 01:42 |
| h4waii | carrier, network, implementation and handset. | 01:42 |
| h4waii | Although network and implementation are carrier-related. | 01:42 |
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| luke-jr | do all 3G phones support 3.5? | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | couldn't N900 lie about its capabiltiies? | 01:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, all 3.5G phones support 3G, not the opposite | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | 6680 had 3G, no 3.5G | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | "real" voice calls are prioritized over data anyways :) | 01:53 |
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| jacktheripper | does anyone have fcam working with titan's ? and is the normal camera app supposed to work with fcam-drivers there ? | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | fcam dies for me with the stock kernel | 01:56 |
| jacktheripper | what exactly 'dies' ? | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | segfaults on boot | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | start of fcam | 01:56 |
| jacktheripper | weird | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | oops - power kernel actually | 01:57 |
| * SpeedEvil reverts | 01:58 | |
| jacktheripper | why wouldn't you want the power kernel ?' | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Because I want fcam | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And I don't care about overclocking. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And I would actually rather for various purposes have a vanilla kernel onboard. | 01:58 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: so why couldn't N900 tell carriers it doesn't support 3.5G? | 02:00 |
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| luke-jr | jacktheripper: because you don't want some stupid app being able to overclock your OMAP? | 02:02 |
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| jacktheripper | luke-jr: I prefer having the choice to do so. I actually keep it for the wifi monitor-mode channels bug though. | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | ? | 02:03 |
| jacktheripper | with the stock kernel, monitor-mode only finds networks on channel 6 | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | if you're associated with something on channel 6, sure | 02:04 |
| jacktheripper | monitor-mode means you're associated with nothing. | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | no, it doesn't. | 02:04 |
| jacktheripper | it allows for sniffing packets | 02:04 |
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| luke-jr | I suppose on N900 it does due to another bug | 02:05 |
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| luke-jr | but *normally* you can be connected *and* monitor | 02:05 |
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| jacktheripper | I honestly didn't try that before. | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | you just need to create another interface on the phy | 02:07 |
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| luke-jr | then put one in STA mode, and the other in Monitor mode | 02:07 |
| jacktheripper | I know | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | it's nice to do that from my desktop, then when I get out of range it begins hopping channels | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | then when I get back in range, it locks back to 6 and associates | 02:08 |
| firestorm | evening | 02:08 |
| firestorm | any one off the top of thier heads tell me what least firmware is | 02:09 |
| Bobbe | 1.2 | 02:09 |
| h4waii | MohammadAG51; What's the possbility of using the hw keyboard through USB HID? | 02:12 |
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| firestorm | ty :) | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | someone in #Jesus burned a Quran today: http://i.imgur.com/iv4lg.jpg | 02:12 |
| firestorm | cweaion 10.2010.39-1.203.3 | 02:13 |
| firestorm | version* | 02:13 |
| firestorm | that sound right bub | 02:14 |
| firestorm | Bobbe* | 02:14 |
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| jacktheripper | fcam doesn't even work with stock. | 02:27 |
| jacktheripper | does anyone here have it working ? | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I used fcam | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I *never* used power kernel | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't give a shit | 02:35 |
| jacktheripper | I can't figure out why it doesn't work here :/ | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ande I'm 5h on UMTS, using xchat | 02:36 |
| jacktheripper | :O | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bat icon down to 66percent | 02:37 |
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| jacktheripper | 3G doesn't take as much as 3.5G. | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | false | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably 3.5 takes 2% less than _ | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | than 3G... wtf? | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | wtf? | 02:41 |
| MNZ51 | wtf? | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | HSDPA eats gigantic amounts of power for me :) | 02:42 |
| jacktheripper | wtf? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf for typo | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | Well it depends on the task, of course | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | downloading a 700M file, HSDPA wins in power efficiency | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | But when each chat line on IRC keeps the radio transmitting 8seconds with my operator... | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which it does with 3 and 3.5 anyway | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | All I know is that when the icon changes from 3 to 3.5G, power consumption goes from 300-400 to 900-1100 :D | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | (screen on) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | interesting | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | got plots? | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | nope, what kind of plots? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I/event | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | hm, need a way to obtain 3g/3.5g status programmatically.. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as 3.5 simply is a more efficient way to cod bits afaik | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like q16 vs q64 | 02:47 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah well, NASA used to have mainframes working overnight to decode 30 minute transmission from outer solar system with similar coding ;p | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | decoding isn't free :) | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe, but i'd like to see solid numbers | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | But it could also be that since my operator switches from 3g to 3.5g at 498 byte/s or so, the 3g/3.5g icon just notifies me of actual traffic flowing | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | carrier offers 3.5 all the time. It's just the actual (tx) traffic that makes the icon show 3.5 | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - there are somewhat numbers on my page on power use | 02:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Carrier also decides when handset uses WCDMA and when it switches over to HSDPA | 02:53 |
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| iluminator101 | does ovi maps for n900 now have turn by turn voice feature ??? | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | Statistics collected by other people have determined that it takes a ping of 498 bytes per second to make my carrier switch from WCDMA to HSDPA, and that switching causes 1290 ms delay. Then it stays on HSDPA for 8s after last activity (or activity > unknown threshold) before it drops back to WCDMA | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 02:55 |
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| jaska | 1920ms delay? ouch. | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | 1290 | 02:56 |
| jaska | ah oh, still ouch | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | DNA was fastest with 880 ms | 02:56 |
| jaska | and even that is pretty slow | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | And Sonera switched to HSDPA at 32 byte ping per second already | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | 77ms ping rtt on HSDPA, 268ms ping rtt on WCDMA with my operator (Elisa/Saunalahti).. I guess the HSDPA pings were >498 bytes to keep hsdpa alive :-) | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bah, rtt 58ms on EDGE | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | what are you guys ping'ing? | 02:59 |
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| whoawhoa | can I get a recommendation on which battery and separate charger to get for the n900 online? | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | 288/585/2248 min/avg/max on edge for me | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm heading home, pinginginginginging my mattrass | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | lol... ping doesn't actually return anything at all | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whoawhoa: please elaborate | 03:02 |
| whoawhoa | I want an extra battery to carry around with me cause my phone dies everyday | 03:03 |
| whoawhoa | and I wouldnt be able to charge it at the same time without an extra charger | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | 98/103/111 on HSDPA, 289/306/319 on WCDMA | 03:04 |
| crashanddie | 68 packets sent / 0 packets received / 100% packet loss | 03:04 |
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| MNZ51 | is there a way to disable the turn-music-off-on-im_notification feature? | 03:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer atomic-pingfloods tmo | 03:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ51: depends on your definition of IM I guess | 03:10 |
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| MNZ51 | the maemo built in IM | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually such 'feature' sounds like a madman's last revenge to me | 03:11 |
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| MNZ51 | I KNOW! :/ | 03:12 |
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| MNZ51 | and it doesn't stop for the time of the notification.... takes tqo more seconds | 03:13 |
| MNZ51 | two* | 03:13 |
| whoawhoa | so, how about a cheap ebay battery and charger? | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while there's some rationale in stopping media sound on inbound call, it's a fat stinking brainfart to stop media audio on inbound IM notification | 03:14 |
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| jacktheripper | sorry for the /nick spam :D | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | apology not accepted | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | what spam? | 03:15 |
| jacktheripper | :( | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: spam for people who haven't filtered out nickchanges, I guess | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, night nerds! | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | /ignore * PARTS JOINS QUITS NICKS | 03:17 |
| MNZ51 | oh darn..... I just realized we need PA for stopping media playback on calls, etc | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you do. I 'published' a solution for ALSA some 6 months ago | 03:21 |
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| MNZ51 | DocScrutinizer link/name/anything? | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alsa hooks | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | paul and me created a plugin to execute arbitrary binaries on audio device open() | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of course also on close | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FYYYCK PA! | 03:25 |
| MNZ51 | nice! | 03:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 03:26 |
| pigeon | hmm, what's with this ovi "this item is not available for your country" crap... | 03:27 |
| MNZ51 | so deemphasis filter + dmix + hooks and we can get rid of PA? or is there more? | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | with ALSA hooks you can implement a darn lot f amazing things. With my plugin you can implement almost everything | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g. call dbus to signal device not to go asleep until the current audio playback has finished | 03:29 |
| MNZ51 | basically we would just need a method to stop all other audio' during calls | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | also when the called binary returns !=0, open() fails | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | snd_open() to be more specific | 03:31 |
| MNZ51 | btw I fixed up hwdep for the eq the other day(I think) | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do you need a method to STOP (I have a concept for that), or fsckng simply mute unwanted audio, which is basically possible with existing ALSA? | 03:32 |
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| MNZ51 | but hwdep_open still complains about device not existing though it's there under /proc | 03:33 |
| MNZ51 | yeah stop pr mute | 03:33 |
| MNZ51 | or mute | 03:33 |
| MNZ51 | how would you go about that? | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tty2morrow | 03:34 |
| MNZ51 | ok gnite | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nite | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm - what are fcamera 'dmg' files? | 03:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the pity is nobody seems to realize the potential of that concept | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so I felt like just dumpint it | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heneral opinion seems to be you have tok adapt every single audio app to the target platform, possibly patching original sourcecode to care about mixer settings, resource arbitration and whatnot. Not my idea of a portable system, but meh | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | we got PA, the mesias. Knows how to deal with every single problem. Too bad it seems not to work that flawlessly | 03:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | It does! | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just you can't have the vrersion that works flawlessly | 04:12 |
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| lcukn900 | what does | 04:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | The fixed versionof pulseaudio | 04:20 |
| lcukn900 | heh | 04:21 |
| lcukn900 | just mentioning exactly that elsewhere | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | imagine maemo dialer Han app you got no source and just maybe can define the audio device: alsa:phonedialer-ring:0.0) executes an arbitrary script that does all you want, on simply snd_open() | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Hthere's libs using ld_preload you even can tweak PA and OSS based apps, as well as brainfsckd apps with ALSA default hardcoded, to use arbitrary audio dev) | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | google for fsoraw, then start to dream | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | audio is a resource like any other | 04:27 |
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| lcukn900 | per-contact-ringtone is a decent hack on the call process | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a prototype of a method that's not a wrapper but a device similar to my ALSA plugin which executes arbitrary executables on snd_open() / snd_close() | 04:29 |
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| lcukn900 | not perfect but it suffices | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcukn900: does it work for SIP calls? | 04:32 |
| lcukn900 | idk try it | 04:33 |
| lcukn900 | marco wrote it and I believe it should cater for as much as possible | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcukn900: how does arbitrary alarm-to-wakeup app magage to know how to keep N900 screen backlight on during playback of rintone? | 04:35 |
| lcukn900 | theres numerous methods to keep light on afaik | 04:35 |
| lcukn900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/per-contact-ringtones/ | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how does same app know to mute fmrx radio? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcu every single one of those methods needs sourcecode patches | 04:36 |
| lcukn900 | probably didnt when it was first written but got modified to fix a bug.. | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blaaarrrrgh | 04:36 |
| lcukn900 | yup | 04:37 |
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| lcukn900 | nn doc | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | based on my idea you ship original app with a config to use alsa:myspecialapp:0.0 and you simply ship a alsarc file to define exactly that device, plus a plugin that starts an arbitrary executable | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on opening alsa:myspecialapp:0.0 | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus a second one on closing same audio device | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the executable started on snd_open() (let's call it a script) may send a signal to all processes which havem an open handle to snd_playback_mp3music alsa audio device | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or it talks to a central resourcek arbiter daemon, which knows how to either make running tasks mute or stop, or alternatively return(1) which makes the snd-open() call fail so app knows there's some higher prio audio blocking the hardware | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it's almost as versatile as this PA cruft. Only difference is it needs ZERO sourcecode patches | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you just ship a alsarc file for your app which is defining the unique audio device the app is using | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus a script (or set of scripts) that's called when the unique audio dev is opened rsp closed | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aah, and (C) of all this ny me, use as you like but please metion me somewhere | 04:58 |
| Ken-Young | DOes anyone know of a way to see the distribution of 1, 2 .. 5 star ratings for an individual app in the Extras repository? | 04:59 |
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| lolloo | any new updates for N900 maemo? | 05:02 |
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| ShadSEC | Anyone knows any faster way to check remaining battery than using hal-device? | 05:40 |
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| ShadSEC | maybe is it in a redable /proc or /sys file? | 05:42 |
| luke-jr | you can make a module that exposes it in /sys | 05:43 |
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| ShadSEC | luke, without going that far :P | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | then no | 05:44 |
| ShadSEC | It's just that grepping hal-device for battery percentage repeteadly is too much load for my script | 05:45 |
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| ShadSEC | mmmm, ok, then I just store the result and display that | 05:45 |
| ShadSEC | it is not going to change for a while | 05:46 |
| ShadSEC | thx | 05:46 |
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| lolloo | guys, whats the best theme for N900? | 05:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: see: | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | TRhe script in that. | 05:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm polishing it, and goign to release it to extras maybe - but it works werll | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | that doesn't actually show remaining battery. | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It could easily though | 05:57 |
| uthesonsun | hey, anyone able to control any tv with this thing yet? | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - see irreco | 05:57 |
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| N900motha | so...nokia got themselves a new CEO....how do you guys feel about it ? | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | can't hurt I guess | 06:09 |
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| N900motha | he grew up not too far from where i live.... | 06:09 |
| ShadSEC | speedevil, again it is a bit overkill for what I need, I will just store the value and check it once in a while | 06:10 |
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| ShadSEC | speedevil, but that script is great to check current consumption, thx! | 06:10 |
| N900motha | his 1st order of the day should be to clear the air about the n900 with the users | 06:11 |
| uthesonsun | aptget doesnt find irreco | 06:11 |
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| N900motha | so whats this shit i'm hearing about 1.3? is it coming? | 06:12 |
| ShadSEC | mmmm, 220mah just with remote ssh doesnt seem right.... | 06:12 |
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| ShadSEC | Lets see what it says just after reboot... | 06:17 |
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| ShadSEC | Sat Sep 11 05:19:22 CEST 2010 219mA 73 total events, 14.547 events/sec | 06:19 |
| ShadSEC | mmmmmm | 06:19 |
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| ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, is this script giving real results? | 06:21 |
| ShadSEC | if it is, theres somethign very wrong with my phone lol | 06:22 |
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| ShadSEC | Anyone else that has tested this script could tell me its ouput from remote ssh with screen off ? | 06:27 |
| N900motha | ha? | 06:27 |
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| ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, this script has an awesome diagnostics value | 06:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: it is ballpark if your wireless is not properly powersaving | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: 30 idle to 6 if you're redirecting to a file | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:35 BST 2010 52mA 35 total events, 6.965 events/sec | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:40 BST 2010 17mA 26 total events, 5.181 events/sec | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:45 BST 2010 17mA 27 total events, 5.392 events/sec | 06:46 |
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| ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, in fact the remote SSH is going thru 3G, maybe that explains it... but yours are really low figures | 06:49 |
| ShadSEC | It's also useful to check charges... AC charger, arund 800ma, USB charging 400mah, car charger 600mah | 06:50 |
| ShadSEC | chargers | 06:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys know how hildon-desktop generates e-tag? | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 3G is insane. | 06:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Through screen - Sat Sep 11 04:52:24 BST 2010 11mA 30 total events, 5.973 events/sec | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:52:29 BST 2010 9mA 16 total events, 3.195 events/sec | 06:53 |
| ShadSEC | yep.. I will later check from 3G... but its wlan0 what I am remotely playing with, so i need to ssh through 3g | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi with powersave - above numbers | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | If powersave isn't working - 200 isn't unreasonable | 06:54 |
| ShadSEC | is that idle or interactive ssh? | 06:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The first was idle with only the script | 06:54 |
| SpeedEvil | the second was redirected to a file - both with wlan active | 06:54 |
| ShadSEC | that makes sense... again, this script is great to optimize usage of the n900 | 06:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to polish it and release properly. | 06:55 |
| ShadSEC | this time with exact figures, not just intuition | 06:55 |
| ShadSEC | it seems to be working great to me... | 06:56 |
| SpeedEvil | frequency stats would be good too. | 06:58 |
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| ShadSEC | yep | 07:00 |
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| ShadSEC | but i think watching the exact real time current is more interesting | 07:01 |
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| openstandards | hi all, i've just completely bricked my n900 any fail safe to restore? | 07:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | fail safe? | 07:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | not really | 07:13 |
| psycho_oreos | you could reflash it but specifying the original kernel | 07:13 |
| openstandards | theres no 64bit version :( | 07:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | of? | 07:17 |
| openstandards | flasher | 07:17 |
| openstandards | so it seems | 07:17 |
| psycho_oreos | flasher? I don't think that would matter much unless you're running ia-64 | 07:17 |
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| openstandards | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' afraid it does :( | 07:19 |
| pigeon | can you set the n900 not to echo the letters you type for password fields completely? | 07:20 |
| openstandards | found something on the wiki using google thats telling me to force the install so i'll give that a try | 07:21 |
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| jpinx | is there any way in the n900 to copy/paste from a regular text file into a text message to be sent? | 07:27 |
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| pigeon | do ctrl-c/ctrl-v work? | 07:28 |
| jpinx | no - that's why I am asking | 07:28 |
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| ShadSEC | Does wl1251 support multiple virtual interfaces? ie, two, each connected to a different AP in managed mode | 07:31 |
| psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, as long as they are on the same channel and you use only one gateway | 07:31 |
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| ShadSEC | psycho, good...and whats the command to create them? I dont see wlanconfig here | 07:33 |
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| ShadSEC | and i supposse you mean only one DEFAULT gateway, dont you? | 07:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, you'll need to compile iw :) and yes one default gw | 07:35 |
| ShadSEC | psycho, and it will compile? mmmm, lets try... :P | 07:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, provided that you have met all the deps under scratchbox | 07:38 |
| ShadSEC | I use a chroot for native compiling | 07:39 |
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| ShadSEC | i find it easier to do the job | 07:39 |
| psycho_oreos | you compile all the stuff using n900? | 07:40 |
| ShadSEC | yep | 07:41 |
| ShadSEC | it is not that slow | 07:41 |
| ShadSEC | in fact i think it is very fast | 07:41 |
| * jpinx uses a chroot in the n900 for his routine computing now | 07:42 | |
| * psycho_oreos thinks some people are nuts | 07:42 | |
| ShadSEC | lol | 07:42 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: why? | 07:42 |
| jpinx | I can ssh in and use a bigger kbd screen from anywhere -- even internetcafes | 07:43 |
| jpinx | carry around putty on a usb, plug it in, ssh into the n900 :) | 07:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | jpinx, well there's lack of space to begin with unless you either repartition the onboard 29GB or have a large flash drive... then there's issues with CPU doing all that compiling when you could have a normal desktop PC do the job whilst you tinker around n900 more without excessive lags | 07:44 |
| ShadSEC | psycho, my chroot is on a loop mounted ext3 | 07:44 |
| ShadSEC | no space issue | 07:45 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: same here | 07:45 |
| ShadSEC | and for compiling... unless you recompile a kernel, everything is fine | 07:45 |
| ShadSEC | even a kernel would be ok during my sleep | 07:45 |
| psycho_oreos | in other words you have about 3 or so GB to play with :) | 07:45 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: do you use screen? | 07:45 |
| ShadSEC | 4Gb on the sdk chroot | 07:46 |
| ShadSEC | yep, screen is great | 07:46 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah no more than 4GB as per FAT32 limitation | 07:46 |
| ShadSEC | yes, and in my tests, theres almost no overhead for using a loop mounted image than a real partition | 07:47 |
| ShadSEC | so the images just lie on the big useles FAT | 07:47 |
| ShadSEC | lay | 07:47 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: here's my scenario - chroot into the image, su $USER (because I don't want to appear in irssi as root) and I get /dev/pts/# permissions. Easy enough to fix manually, but I wondered if there could be a way to automate that? | 07:48 |
| psycho_oreos | I normally compile stuff with scratchbox unless I'm in a place where I can't install scratchbox, then I'll consider about a chroot environment under n900 | 07:48 |
| psycho_oreos | a script | 07:48 |
| ShadSEC | jpinx, you cant script the commands you do manually? | 07:49 |
| psycho_oreos | chroot dev environment I should add | 07:49 |
| ShadSEC | psycho, the truht is that I didn't even care to setup scratchbox... cross compiling sounded more complicate to me | 07:50 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: no - because the /dev/pts/# is not always the same | 07:50 |
| ShadSEC | jpix, isnt there a pattern? I mean... how do you find out whats the # is using? manually | 07:50 |
| psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, granted it would for most people but once you get the hang of it, you won't find yourself to still be alienated :) | 07:50 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: su $USER and ask for a screen - it'll complain and tell me which /dev/pts/# it was trying to use - so I go back to root and chown that one | 07:51 |
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| ShadSEC | psycho, i was considering setting up a scratchbox... but now that I have native compiling I doubt I will | 07:52 |
| ShadSEC | jpinx, ok, you can redirect stddr to a file | 07:53 |
| psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, fair enough | 07:53 |
| ShadSEC | and grep /dev/pts it | 07:53 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: that'll tell me which /dev/pts/# but I still need root to chown it | 07:54 |
| ShadSEC | screen 2>&1 | grep "dev/pts" .... | 07:56 |
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| ShadSEC | mmmm, gainroot? | 07:56 |
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| jpinx | it's a chroot, I only have to exit the user I am su'd into | 07:58 |
| ShadSEC | mmmmm | 07:58 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: I'll work on it - the manual fix is no sweat, so it's not a high priority - just a niggle | 07:59 |
| ShadSEC | you can always make you script to communicate to another one outside the chroot using netcat to do the chown for you | 07:59 |
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| ShadSEC | but I am sure there are simpler ways :) | 07:59 |
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| openstandards | i'm having problems flashing | 07:59 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: I need to look at how /dev/pts# are allocated and maybe i can predict before I su as $USER | 07:59 |
| ZogG | that's it | 08:00 |
| ZogG | it pissed me off | 08:00 |
| ShadSEC | you can also use group permissions | 08:00 |
| ZogG | i'm tiered of people making forum the trash | 08:00 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: yea - didn't think of that ;) | 08:00 |
| ShadSEC | give rw group permision to all pts | 08:00 |
| ShadSEC | and make the user be part of that group | 08:01 |
| ShadSEC | ugly, but.... | 08:01 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: it's only a chroot ;) | 08:02 |
| ShadSEC | yep, and in a damn phone :P | 08:02 |
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| openstandards | http://pastebin.com/vWbsuT1q can someone look at this pastie of mine concerning my n900 and flasher | 08:03 |
| ShadSEC | which btw I am going to throw out of the windows if i cant make this thing to work before i go to bed :( | 08:04 |
| openstandards | yikes | 08:07 |
| openstandards | it justs keeps on resetting itself and not getting picked up | 08:08 |
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| openstandards | jpinx, any idea? | 08:10 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: :) | 08:11 |
| jpinx | openstandards: I've reflashed a few times with no issues at all | 08:11 |
| jpinx | so - no - sorry I have no idea about errors there | 08:12 |
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| ShadSEC | jpinx, have you tried configuring wlan0 from command line? there's something not working ... | 08:14 |
| jpinx | ShadSEC: no - I haven't explored all that from the chroot yet - it's on my todo | 08:15 |
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| ShadSEC | everything is correctly setup but it just dont associate | 08:15 |
| ShadSEC | I would need to know what exact commands is the connections manager using... | 08:15 |
| ShadSEC | its uninportant from the the chroot or outside | 08:16 |
| ShadSEC | it isnt working either for me :( | 08:16 |
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| jpinx | true - you should be able to do it from withing the chroot without issues - I need to look into all that | 08:17 |
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| jpinx | currently I cheat and use the wifi of my laptop over ssh/usb | 08:17 |
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| ShadSEC | mmmmmm | 08:18 |
| ShadSEC | i havent tried the usb networking yet | 08:18 |
| jpinx | but I am going to have to bite the bullet this weekend and get the "normal2 networking to behave | 08:19 |
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| jpinx | usb networking was not too difficult to configure, just get the gateway and static IP's right | 08:19 |
| ShadSEC | jpix, its windows on this side... | 08:20 |
| jpinx | use Putty? | 08:20 |
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| ShadSEC | yeah, I mean the usb networking setup | 08:20 |
| ShadSEC | never tried | 08:20 |
| ShadSEC | anyway I am ssh'ing via wifi-internet-3g-n900 | 08:21 |
| jpinx | yea - putty in windows will give you linux-like ssh | 08:21 |
| ShadSEC | only problem is that i has a considerable lag | 08:21 |
| ShadSEC | it | 08:22 |
| jpinx | what does ? My usb is fast | 08:22 |
| ShadSEC | yep, usb might be better, perhaps tomorrow i will set it up | 08:22 |
| ShadSEC | anyway is managng the wifi from command line what is giving me a headache | 08:23 |
| ShadSEC | and it should be very easy, i dont understand it | 08:23 |
| jpinx | ok - see you tomorrow maybe - I'm off | 08:24 |
| openstandards | wohoo i've manage to unbrick it | 08:25 |
| ShadSEC | see you jpinx | 08:25 |
| openstandards | cyas jpinx | 08:25 |
| openstandards | ShadSEC, a nice tool for when i used windows in the past was winscp....coping files over ssh :) | 08:27 |
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| pigeon | grrr, talk.maemo.org broken again somehow | 08:30 |
| ShadSEC | openstandards, yes, all about shh is great | 08:31 |
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| openstandards | it is i love logging into my servers all the time | 08:32 |
| openstandards | since flashing my phones lagging on everything | 08:33 |
| pigeon | on the n900 how are you supposed to bring up the software on screen keyboard? | 08:33 |
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| Munkiii | at the moment it only joins Maemo | 09:20 |
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| pigeon | hmm, that's cute... kroll installs things under /home/user/ | 09:50 |
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| Munkiii | anyone around to help? | 11:36 |
| Munkiii | i was just using the n900 optimized website version of google maps... | 11:37 |
| Munkiii | when it asked "do you want this website to use your location" | 11:37 |
| Munkiii | i said "yes always" | 11:38 |
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| Munkiii | but now i want to change that back to always ask | 11:38 |
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| Munkiii | anyone know how? | 11:38 |
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| kerio | Munkiii: ask timeless | 11:43 |
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| MNZ | good morning folks | 11:45 |
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| ech0Asus | finally fixed it :) did some updates on my n900 and then majority of images wouldn't load in any browser.. had to set user agent back.. | 12:25 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 12:34 |
| lcuk | Destroid the game | 12:34 |
| lcuk | announced here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58837 | 12:34 |
| lcuk | says that its high scores are stored in /home/opt/ ... | 12:35 |
| lcuk | I thought user apps couldn't write into anywhere outside /home/user normally | 12:35 |
| secyritas | ömm, of course they can | 12:36 |
| secyritas | uups, omm i meant | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | secyritas, hmm | 12:39 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/root$ cd /home/opt | 12:39 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ touch hmm | 12:39 |
| lcuk | touch: hmm: Permission denied | 12:39 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ | 12:39 |
| lcuk | (as user) | 12:39 |
| * lcuk says meh and goes to the Science and Industry museum | 12:44 | |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: where are you? | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | hmm, manchester | 13:10 |
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| jacktheripper | does anyone know if I could run mobile-hotspot with these modules here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ ? | 13:42 |
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| Zucca | Has anyone did any measuremets on how long battery will last when ssh kept open all day (say irc open on channel like this) with hight compression and nocompression at all? | 13:47 |
| kerio | Zucca: wifi or gprs/umts? | 13:48 |
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| Zucca | kerio: gprs/umts. | 13:49 |
| kerio | Zucca: hahaha | 13:49 |
| kerio | i'd say 8 hours | 13:49 |
| kerio | and i'm being optimistic | 13:49 |
| Zucca | kerio: It lasts my whole works day, but what I'm interested is wow ssh compression affects this. | 13:50 |
| kerio | it doesn't, really | 13:50 |
| Zucca | (damn typos) | 13:50 |
| Zucca | Yeah. I think I has very little meaning... | 13:51 |
| Zucca | I keep ssh conccention open all the day. Usually it lasts cloes to 10 hrs. | 13:53 |
| Zucca | When I keep... | 13:53 |
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| nandan | hello | 14:01 |
| nandan | how can I install ffmpeg on n900 device | 14:02 |
| nandan | any help | 14:02 |
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| Dassu | :( you want to do encoding on your n900 | 14:06 |
| Dassu | ? | 14:06 |
| pupnik | sure, to share videos with other devices for e.g. | 14:10 |
| pupnik | that can't play your existing format | 14:10 |
| pupnik | would be a nice gui program | 14:10 |
| pupnik | 'encode for' 'nokia e71' | 14:11 |
| nandan | no | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | nandan: There is a complex answer - and there is http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg | 14:12 |
| nandan | i want to install ffmpeg on n900 | 14:12 |
| nandan | for playing video | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | (in around a minute) | 14:13 |
| nandan | now i think we can play only mp4 | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ffmpeg does not play video | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay will play video, but not sanely. | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It plays on the raw framebuffer device | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | umm - wrong | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer and the media player will play lots of types of files | 14:14 |
| nandan | ya .....but for ffplay u need ffmpeg to install | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay would need ported to run sanely | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | no you don't. | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay and ffmpeg are quite seperate binaries | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay cannot be used sanely on the n900 without porting, which as far as I'm aware, nobodies done. | 14:15 |
| nandan | ya binary r separate but comes with name ffmpeg source code | 14:15 |
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| nandan | URL http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg is not valid one | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I deleted it | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | As you said you weren't looking for ffmpeg | 14:16 |
| nandan | ya | 14:16 |
| nandan | in general can u suggest hoe can i install a package on n900 | 14:17 |
| nandan | which is ment for x86 arc | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | For a random package, get the package source, port it to maemo, compile. | 14:17 |
| nandan | i have tried with ffmpeg | 14:18 |
| nandan | and got some error | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | For ffmpeg - the porting is null - just compile it. For ffplay - it's quite complex, and you need to implement some sort of window awareness. | 14:18 |
| nandan | while configuring I got error like | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't remember any significant errors. | 14:19 |
| nandan | Unable to create temporary file in /var/tmp. | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | well - fix that | 14:19 |
| nandan | how to fix that | 14:19 |
| nandan | as i m compiling as root | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | On the n900? | 14:20 |
| nandan | ya | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Move a copy of / into a chroot on /home - and compile there. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't want to compile on the base system, for a number of reasons. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - what you will end up with is a ffplay that plays flickery images in the corner of the framebuffer, overlayed badly over the existing content, with no UI at all. | 14:21 |
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| nandan | actually i installed ffmpeg using apt-get | 14:22 |
| nandan | and that plays video well using ffplay | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - someones ported it then. | 14:22 |
| nandan | now i want to compile ffmpeg 4m svn | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | So do. | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Get the source of the package ffmpeg | 14:23 |
| nandan | ya | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Compare with stock ffmpeg | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Patch those changes over | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | compile | 14:23 |
| nandan | how can i get source code that i installed using apt-get | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ffmpeg/ | 14:25 |
| nandan | thanks SpeedEvil | 14:25 |
| nandan | also can u tell how to install a new os /image on N900 | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash it. | 14:26 |
| nandan | ya how to do that | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 14:28 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:28 |
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| pog | is there a applet to check batterie capacity and powerconsumtion during uptime of N900. Mein N900 stopped once, and I'm not shure, wether it's due to emptiy batterie. | 14:49 |
| valdyn | pog: u can see that when starting it again | 14:49 |
| valdyn | pog: if it crashed it will tell you, if it didnt not, then there wont be a message | 14:50 |
| pog | it didn't seem to start. After hanging on the Adapter, it worked again, later. | 14:50 |
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| pog | ah it can be seen when it was a crash. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | pog: Do you know what a shellscript is? | 14:50 |
| pog | yes | 14:50 |
| pog | I know Linux rather well. | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 14:51 |
| pog | thanks, I will have a look at that. | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | An unpolished script - I hope to release a nice version of trhis this week to extras | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Also | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 14:51 |
| valdyn | pog: low battery will trigger a clean shutdown | 14:51 |
| pog | it will help me, thanks a lot | 14:52 |
| pog | o.k. then I can see, that the shutdown was o.k., if there is no error... | 14:52 |
| valdyn | pog: on top of that, whenever *my* n900 crashes i have to remove the battery | 14:52 |
| pog | may be, it's even possible to write a message in this case. | 14:53 |
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| pog | I is well possible, that it was a power problem. | 14:53 |
| pog | otherwise, my N900 runs reliably. | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | lcukn900: well, the app could have its own user/group that has the permissions to write in a specific directory | 14:54 |
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| valdyn | pog: my n900 crashes due to some pressure, in my pocket, not otherwise | 14:54 |
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| crashanddie | it crashes due to pressure? | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | What is it? A problem with its bladder? | 14:55 |
| pog | ah, that's not so good. | 14:55 |
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| pog | I got a extra box for the N900, I hope this avoids the pressure problems... | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Pressure problems indicate a loose joint somehere thart is not likely to get better | 14:57 |
| pog | I might also be a contact with the batterie which fails, when moving the device. | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe loose battery contacts | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I've had that | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | valdyn: not exactly clean shutdown | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | with a tiny screwdriver, press the battery contacts a little towards the middle. | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | So they grab the pins more firmly | 14:57 |
| valdyn | SpeedEvil: i always have to remove the battery after such a crash | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | valdyn: hmm. I'd say the first then. | 14:58 |
| valdyn | maybe ill just return it before warranty is over | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | yep | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | try flashing it first | 14:59 |
| valdyn | either way the n900 has to many places where dust creeps in, maybe its just that | 15:00 |
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| jacekowski | but somebody already had that problem | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | that phone doesn't shut down correctly | 15:02 |
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| valdyn | it does shut down correctly | 15:02 |
| valdyn | just not when it crashes | 15:02 |
| valdyn | and it doesnt crash without physical contact or pressure of some kind that only happens when like sitting on it | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | it may be crack on pcb | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | or something | 15:04 |
| valdyn | jeans + n900 = always some pressure, but i cant reproduce it reliably | 15:04 |
| valdyn | thanks for the hints.. | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | try flashing it | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | it may be just something ellse | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | else* | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | and if that doesn't help | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | then send it back | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | you sit on your phone? | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | Depending on your weight, I'd understand the phone crashes. | 15:12 |
| Appiah_ | :D | 15:12 |
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| * crashanddie starts writing MyChair and uploads it to devel. A software protective shield for all you phat geeks who sit on your phone, and have too much flab to feel it. | 15:14 | |
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| jacktheripper | apple is releasing the iSit very soon | 15:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are ways round that problem. iButtPlug | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | "If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?" | 15:16 |
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| Antonis | hello. I would like to ask something, I am using ubuntu is it possible to take a source app that I run on ubuntu and compile it to use on N900 running maemo? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | with qt, maybe | 15:42 |
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| genewitch | l5test | 15:42 |
| Antonis | so i cant just take let's say xchat, cand compile it in my phone to get it running as it is? | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install xchat | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You can compile GTK/QT apps, and they 'just' work. | 15:43 |
| Antonis | is apt-get working on maemo? sorry if I ask dumb questions but I see maemo as another distro.. I don't know if it's debian based or not | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | For various values of work. | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat is in extras | 15:43 |
| Antonis | nice! is there a list of what packages that are included in the repos? (both enabled and disabled (if any)) | 15:44 |
| Antonis | is it maemo.org/packages ? | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 15:44 |
| Antonis | thank you. I would also like to see a list of phones running maemo as I only know of Nokia N900 atm :\ is there a better one? what phones do you own? | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | only n900 | 15:46 |
| liori | Antonis: your list seems to be complete | 15:47 |
| Antonis | oh :p | 15:47 |
| Antonis | okay then! thanks | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | expecting maemo to work on some other devices? lol | 15:48 |
| kerio | a list of phones? | 15:49 |
| kerio | the n900 is not a phone | 15:49 |
| psycho_oreos | problem is that when a device has phone capability, people assume its a phone | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | especially small handheld devices | 15:50 |
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| kerio | the n900 *has* a phone | 15:50 |
| liori | phone: noun, an instrument for reproducing sounds at a distance; specifically : one in which sound is converted into electrical impulses for transmission (as by wire or radio waves) | 15:51 |
| kerio | it's right there as phonet0 | 15:51 |
| kerio | liori: so a computer is a phone? | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Go away. It's sold as a phone, it's a phone. Move on. | 15:51 |
| psycho_oreos | wireless dongles/cards would also be deemed as a phone ;) | 15:51 |
| psycho_oreos | bluetooth, 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/etc | 15:52 |
| liori | kerio: yes, of course, as long as it has software... | 15:52 |
| Antonis | nokia does sell it as a phone so I call it a phone :P | 15:54 |
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| kerio | the n900 integrates a screenless phone | 15:54 |
| kerio | that's used to route audio calls and gprs data | 15:54 |
| Antonis | I am just affraid that 256MB of ram isn't enough | 15:54 |
| liori | Antonis: you just made me feel old | 15:55 |
| Antonis | lol, why is that? | 15:55 |
| liori | i used to do quite a lot on a 1MB machine | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 256M is fine. | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | More would benicer. | 15:56 |
| psycho_oreos | 256MB RAM with 768MB swap that sits on Flash based memory and you're saying its not enough? | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | But the problems are not RAM based | 15:57 |
| oscillik | does anyone know how to clear the cache for the email application? it literally takes 20 seconds to open an email now, and it never used to :( | 15:57 |
| kerio | Modest is pure crap | 15:57 |
| oscillik | indeed it is. within the first few days after i reflash, it was quick. opened an email in 2-3 secs. now it takes upwards of 20-30secs | 15:57 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: in other words, just 256 MB | 15:58 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: flash memory is SLOW | 15:58 |
| luke-jr | Antonis: Nokia *doesn't* sell it as a phone… | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Bullshit | 15:58 |
| luke-jr | at least nowhere I've seen | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, it isn't that bad, it could just be pure 256MB like iphone 3/3G and you'll have to put up with killed applications/quitting applications because there simply isn't enough RAM no? | 15:59 |
| luke-jr | their site says | 15:59 |
| luke-jr | "mobile computer" | 15:59 |
| * kerio hugs luke-jr | 15:59 | |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: not sure which is worse | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900?intc=estore-fw-ilc-bdy-con-na-nokiacom-gb-6-brandn900_228x96 | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Page title. 'buy the nokia n900 mobile phone here' | 15:59 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I think 256MB RAM with no ability to setup swap is worse | 16:00 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, try n95-1 (non-NAM version) | 16:00 |
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| luke-jr | cute | 16:01 |
| luke-jr | N900 isn't even listed in Nokia USA's store anymore | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | haha. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ovi.com/services/ | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Still pimps 'files' | 16:02 |
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| luke-jr | the rest of the uk page says "mobile computer" | 16:02 |
| luke-jr | I think the phone bit was an error | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | It is sold as a phoneby many carriers. | 16:03 |
| luke-jr | haha yeah right | 16:03 |
| luke-jr | like I'm going to believe carriers sell N900 | 16:03 |
| oscillik | yes | 16:03 |
| oscillik | they do | 16:03 |
| oscillik | Vodafone sells it | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: in US, maybe not | 16:03 |
| luke-jr | wtf is Vodafone? :P | 16:03 |
| oscillik | UK mobile phone network | 16:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | some nordic operator | 16:03 |
| Antonis | in sweden telenor (vodafone) sells it | 16:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | and eu | 16:03 |
| oscillik | the first one here in the UK | 16:03 |
| Antonis | and I think Comviq does as well | 16:03 |
| luke-jr | in any case, those companies do *phone service* | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | of course they're going to stress it as a "phone" | 16:04 |
| psycho_oreos | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ | 16:04 |
| liori | orange planned to sell it in poland, but they changed their mind | 16:04 |
| oscillik | luke-jr: what about the dell streak? | 16:04 |
| kerio | h3g ita does sell it | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | liori: then again n900 is fairly expensive for a typical pole pay.. | 16:04 |
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| luke-jr | oscillik: what about it | 16:05 |
| oscillik | it's sold by carriers over here, and that's not a phone | 16:05 |
| liori | Stskeeps: this is not a device for typical person | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that i know | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:06 |
| liori | and IT people earn more even in poland :-) | 16:06 |
| kerio | because a typical person would use a mobile phone | 16:07 |
| luke-jr | kerio: there's more cell phones than people in the world IIRC :P | 16:08 |
| kerio | last i heard, italy's cellphones/people avg. was at like 6 | 16:08 |
| oscillik | i have three | 16:10 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: cheaper than iphone but more people have iphone | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:15 |
| kerio | the iphone is hip | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it says a lot about the attitude when most commercials for these type of products come with "X zt per month" announcements instead of the whole price.. | 16:16 |
| kerio | it's also a phone | 16:16 |
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| Antonis | is it possible to run meego on n900? | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | but the thing is that same contract with same phone costs 50% mroe in poland | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | Antonis: yes | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | and apple stuff sometimes costs 3x as much as everywhere else | 16:17 |
| psycho_oreos | that's normal | 16:17 |
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| Antonis | jacekowski, is it something like an upgrade or? I mean if I buy n900 it will run maemo 5. how can I install meego? | 16:18 |
| psycho_oreos | I think you'll find it will cost x amounts over the normal pricing compared to buying it direct from the source of manufacture :p | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | Antonis: google | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | Antonis: but it's not going to be supported | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you still need a contract | 16:19 |
| psycho_oreos | and its not complete | 16:19 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, yes, no diff, that's typical of apple's stance ;) | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | and here contract with 400minutes and texts and internet costs £25 which would be around 110zl | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | bah t-mobile is doing £10/mo with internet and 60 minutes and texts | 16:20 |
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| Antonis | N900 is a handset | 16:27 |
| Antonis | :P | 16:27 |
| valdyn | Antonis: meego is not useful right now | 16:28 |
| valdyn | Antonis: except for developers | 16:28 |
| oscillik | i'm on giffgaff | 16:29 |
| Antonis | valdyn, yeap I read about it.. but i also read that it will not be supported or released for n900. | 16:29 |
| Antonis | Only a developer version will be | 16:29 |
| Antonis | or is | 16:29 |
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| Ken-Young | DOes anyone know of a way to see the distribution of 1, 2 .. 5 star ratings for an individual app in the Extras repository? | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | Ken-Young: how so? | 16:52 |
| Ken-Young | crashanddie, I'm just wondering if there is a way to see the distribution of different star ratings a particular app listed on memo.org has. | 16:54 |
| Ken-Young | s/memo.org/maemo.org/ | 16:54 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: crashanddie, I'm just wondering if there is a way to see the distribution of different star ratings a particular app listed on maemo.org has. | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | Ken-Young: based on the versions of a specific app? | 16:54 |
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| Ken-Young | crashanddie, maemo.org shows a sort of graphic representation of the average number of stars users have given an app in their ratings. It also lists how many ratings have been issued. I was hoping there was a way to find the number of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star ratings there were, that produced the average shown." | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | ah | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | not available AFAIK | 16:56 |
| Ken-Young | crashanddie, OK, thanks. It's certainly not an important thing. I was just curious. | 16:57 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 16:57 |
| RST38h | what is new and exciting? | 16:58 |
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| vHanda | Quick Question : Hermes doesn't seem to import my facebook contact birthdays. I checked and it's a reported bug. | 17:01 |
| * GAN900 wants an A15 for his file server. | 17:02 | |
| vHanda | I cloned the source code. Would I have to get the whole maemo sdk. If I want to work on hermes? | 17:02 |
| vHanda | I have a couple of spare hours. I thought I'll try to fix the bug :) | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | hahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/pasteque-face.html | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | Why do people come to bookstores and ask for Kindles? | 17:04 |
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| GAN900 | Holy piece of shit | 17:19 |
| RST38h | "kindle" = "ebook reader" | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Can't unlock this thing without entering swap hell. | 17:19 |
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| RST38h | like "google", you know... | 17:19 |
| RST38h | GAN: swappiness to 30, quit ham | 17:19 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Where's the value for swappiness again? | 17:22 |
| RST38h | a moment | 17:22 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: /etc/init.d/rcS | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 17:24 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: jacekowski: thanks | 17:24 |
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| petteri | is there any way to force application to fullscreen when using X forwaring. I use spotify from my desktop, but the search form is under the left corner menu (where clock and stuff are) | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | -geom | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 17:27 |
| petteri | -geom? tell me more? | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.xfree86.org/current/X.7.html#sect6 | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_, !! | 17:57 |
| frals | lcuk !! | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | afternoon frals | 17:59 |
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| frals | ello | 18:00 |
| frals | hows you? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | I am ok, had a (cut short) visit to the Manchester Museum of Science and Technology with Tracy n Jake | 18:00 |
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| GAN900 | Those are always fun. | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | Minus the cutting of the durationing. | 18:04 |
| lcuk | GAN900, yeah - theres loads to see and play with - plus theres trains, so its actually easy to convince jake to go | 18:06 |
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| frals | :D | 18:06 |
| GAN900 | Sounds like we could use the same incentive for frals. | 18:07 |
| lcuk | theres a trout museum in Helsinki :P | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | I dunno how, but I had not seen the textiles area last time I went | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | they had an awesome Jacquard loom which took punch cards | 18:08 |
| * lcuk got photos and will decode them | 18:08 | |
| GAN900 | The one on Baltimore has a massive barb- and razor-wire collection. | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | Complete history. | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | Didn't /. have a story about punchcard looms the other day? | 18:09 |
| lcuk | idk | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, i hope thats one collection thats not really hands on! | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | a rather generic look at application installation and updates | 18:23 |
| lcuk | http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2010/09/07/linux-and-application-installing/ | 18:23 |
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| BluesLee | how do i switch to the phone storage of the sim card? | 18:26 |
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| kerio | for what? | 18:27 |
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| GAN900 | Contacts? | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | Why would you want to store on SIM? | 18:28 |
| kerio | you can access them from the contacts | 18:28 |
| kerio | menu->groups->SIM | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, technically contacts stored on sim are easier to switch between devices (switch sim, contacts go with it etc) | 18:33 |
| lcuk | but the contacts on n900 are more advanced and stuff | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, there's no method in maemo to store contacts to SIM, that I know of | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | just import _from_ SIM | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *might* be able to edit SIM contacts using Kandy or gnokii | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or via pnatd, the generic way :-P | 18:46 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly to write an exploit for http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-14.html maemo | 19:00 | |
| jaska | and make free phone calls?:) | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seems it really needs an exploit out in the wild, for Nokia starts feeling like getting active | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or has there been any security fix update to flashplayer on maemo that I missed? | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which will lead to PR1.3 that removes flash | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: this security advisory is ~10 weeks old now. Are you aware of any action Nokia is planing to address this vulnerability? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh :-P | 19:08 |
| Gh0sty | pr1.3 ? which will come out AFTER duke nukem forever is released? :p | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: exactly :-P | 19:13 |
| RST38h | You mean, after pr1.3 removes flash all the | 19:15 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 19:16 |
| GAN900 | FIXED | 19:16 |
| RST38h | sepeople will stop whining about lack of flash10 support? | 19:16 |
| GAN900 | We dropped Flash. | 19:16 |
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| kerio | Gh0sty: huh? DNF will be released in 2011 | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: honestly, even a hotfix from Nokia disabling flash all together - **until proper measure (update to flash10.1.53.64) is taken** - would be much better, than just ignoring the issue completely | 19:18 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, but this is NOKIA. | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: while Nokia never promised to support and develop maemo beyond what you got when buying the device, I think they still are liable for fixing critical vulnerabilities in their products | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Apparently, Nokia never even promised to make Cut&Paste work in Modest | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | Doc: So, looks like relying on Nokia promising anything is kinda fruitless | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | means users could sue them for all damage suffered from some exploit using this flash vulnerability | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | You can, of course, sue Nokia, but why? | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: *I* won't do that. I said *users* caould, and I don't know *why* they usually do | 19:24 |
| Gh0sty | users won't buy it anymore | 19:24 |
| Gh0sty | and there goes a good product ... | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Users will (and do) take the easier route | 19:25 |
| RST38h | Doc: They are buying Android | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: buying andridiot device won't pay the carrier bill of any N900 user who suffered an exploit of flash vulnerability and found his phone calling 0900-* premium charged numbers without him noticing | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Doc: But it will prevent that from happening again and provide the user with reasonable support for his newdevice | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe, but that's not exactly the point of my rant | 19:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: Your rant is about Nokia absolutely having to update N900 Flash player NOW | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | Doc: You know the answer to that - No. We do not care. We do not have to. We are the phone company. | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, or at least take any other action to cope with the threat | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | Doc: So there is no reason to rant, won't change a thing | 19:31 |
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| sevard | AAAArggg I have a blue light flashing on my n810 and it won't go away. No applications open, no updates available, not logged into chat, i reboot and it come back after boot. any suggestions? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sevard: use dbus-monitor started during boot, to find out which process is sending a comand to mce to start that blue flashing | 19:36 |
| * RST38h desperately wants Oolite for N900 | 19:38 | |
| Stskeeps | OOlite? | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be any process started during boot that thinks there's something new (an unread mail or anything) that needs blue flashing to signal to user about it, then later this process quits ungracefully and mce never gets notice to stop the blue flashing | 19:38 |
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| sevard | DocScrutinizer: what.. should dbus be saying | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sevard: also mce itself might got confused, check mce.ini file if it maybe was changed in a way mce doesn't like | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sevard: something like `dbus-monitor --system | grep -C15 led_pattern | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sevard: refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led | 19:45 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I know aegidian and Ahruman from Redline. | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I guess I need to convince them. | 19:58 |
| sevard | yessss | 19:59 |
| sevard | <3 DocScrutinizer | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Oolite is written in that horrible ObjectiveC thing andrequires the whole OpenNeXTstep framework | 19:59 |
| RST38h | So, not sure how easy it will be to port... | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sevard: so what's been the cause? | 20:05 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, ah, right, forgot about that. | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | Perhaps if you buy them both N900s and give them about $10k. | 20:08 |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | does n900 have any good headsets with controller"? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 20:11 |
| RST38h | ...or simply run Spectrumversion on Speccy... | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ehh? | 20:13 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | ｔｈａｔ ｓｕｘ ｉｖｅ ｒｅａｄｅ ｂｌｕｔｏｏｔｈ ｏｎｃｅ ｓｕｃｋ ｔｏ | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | `Francesca_Lucch: stop that! | 20:14 |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | stop what ? | 20:14 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | dont tell me youre client dont support it | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 | 20:14 |
| RST38h | it does not | 20:14 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | utf-8 show and encode | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | `Francesca_Lucch: simply stop it | 20:15 |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | lame | 20:16 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | ohwell | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw ""that sux ive reade blutooth once suck to"" doesn't make any sense at all, not to talk about spelling | 20:16 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | seems i go for headphones only | 20:16 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | well sorry my english is not perfect | 20:17 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | its not even 10% | 20:17 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | im only dutch afterall | 20:17 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | so is there no plugin that can fix the headset controllers ? | 20:18 |
| RST38h | no. | 20:18 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | darn i thought nokia would add something to support it , its a nokia afterall | 20:19 |
| RST38h | no. | 20:19 |
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| Dassu | I remember reading about some deamon that could bind those keys. Just search the forums | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Dassu: not for wired headsets. For BT it actually should work | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | refer to tmo post, link above | 20:31 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | so bt headsets work humm | 20:31 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | tobad the bd once are crap | 20:31 |
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| johns | Hu | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | hey, since today my n900 tells me "network connection error, try again?" whenever I try to connect to a wireless network, gprs/umts works though, anywhere I can get a more decent error message? | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | hey merline i saw on #liqbase to see #maemo :P | 20:36 |
| kerio | try ifupping it | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | merlin1991, retry as suggested, if it still doesnt work, reboot and pop out the battery and spin device around 270degrees | 20:37 |
| lcuk | the spinning is important | 20:37 |
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| skibur | hello | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | hm sudo ifup wlan0 --> ifup ignoring unkown interface wlan0 | 20:38 |
| skibur | Just a very simple question. | 20:39 |
| skibur | Anybody running OS2008 on there N800? | 20:39 |
| tank-man | skibur, isnt that the latest one for n800? | 20:40 |
| tank-man | i am | 20:40 |
| skibur | Diablo would be the latest | 20:40 |
| tank-man | yea i have that | 20:41 |
| tank-man | survey done ? :) | 20:41 |
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| skibur | ok | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | hm kerio, ifup eth0 --> ifup: don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet | 20:42 |
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| merlin1991 | any ideas what I could try, except flashing? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | reboot | 20:46 |
| lcuk | battery out etc | 20:46 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, (reading scrollback) don't be a fucktart | 20:46 |
| lcuk | d | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? | 20:47 |
| merlin1991 | btw all I can think of what I did regarding networking, was playing around with /etc/resolv.conf a bit | 20:47 |
| lcuk | your suggestion earlier. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, but seems you need to elaborate | 20:48 |
| lcuk | nahh i will let you decide which one of your suggestions I would feel so strongly against | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'll fail on that task | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | ~flashing | 20:49 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:49 |
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| felipec | kulve: ping | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I hope you don't consider writing and publishing an exploit PoC without rogue payload a fucktard thing | 20:54 |
| felipec | anyone has any idea where to get powertop? | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | felipec: http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | You may or may not find http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powertop useful too | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, SpeedEvil was faster than me. | 20:56 |
| felipec | hmm, I thought I had enabled extras-devel | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, maybe it helps for something: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333 | 20:57 |
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| felipec | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but I guess the one in extras-devel should be the latest one | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:05 |
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| * merlin1991 flashed, lets see if it helps | 21:16 | |
| felipec | hmm, I get crashes with powertop | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | felipec, hmm | 21:20 |
| lcuk | which build? | 21:20 |
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| felipec | 1.13.3 | 21:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | You're not overclocking? | 21:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Powrertop is as far as I'm aware doing nothing more than reading various /proc and /sys files | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Itr does nothing 'invasive' | 21:23 |
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| bef0rd | :) hi | 21:24 |
| bef0rd | I just formated the internal mmc by mistake :P is it possible to get the 'default nokia files' somehow? | 21:25 |
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| felipec | SpeedEvil: nope, no overclocking | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Off. | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd | 21:26 |
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| rtyler | howdy everybody, I'm wondering if anybody is syncing calendars from remote providers like Yahoo or Google with their maemo 5 devices? | 21:38 |
| Arkenoi | i do | 21:39 |
| Arkenoi | 21:39 | |
| rtyler | Arkenoi: are you using GPE Calendar or something else? | 21:39 |
| Arkenoi | via MfE and Nuevasync | 21:39 |
| Arkenoi | no, just default calendar | 21:39 |
| rtyler | interesting | 21:39 |
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| rtyler | what's MfE short for? | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | mail for exchange | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | ~mfe | 21:40 |
| rtyler | ah, I see: http://wiki.nuevasync.com/wiki/bin/view/Public/maemoConfiguration | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | ~MfE is Mail for Exchange | 21:40 |
| infobot | okay, jacekowski | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | ~mfe | 21:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mfe is Mail for Exchange | 21:40 |
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| rtyler | heh | 21:40 |
| rtyler | Arkenoi: and you trust nuevasync with your information like that o_O | 21:41 |
| jacekowski | ~tmo | 21:41 |
| infobot | i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic | 21:41 |
| jacekowski | ~mohammadag | 21:41 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to | 21:41 |
| rtyler | ouch, I got the buzzer sooner than expected | 21:41 |
| Arkenoi | rtyler: kind of. i have no other options ;-) | 21:41 |
| rtyler | so I suppose if I can find a way to setup an exchange-server that does forwarding of calendaring/contacts for my accounts, I'd be set | 21:42 |
| Arkenoi | there is syncevolution but i was unable to get it working | 21:42 |
| Arkenoi | some obscure errors on google side and that's all | 21:42 |
| Arkenoi | and direct MfE sync does not work as well | 21:43 |
| rtyler | direct to an exchange server? or direct to google? | 21:43 |
| Arkenoi | rtyler, if you know how to sync your exchange with your remote provider, it should work | 21:43 |
| Arkenoi | rtyler, direct to google, i have no exchange | 21:44 |
| * rtyler nods | 21:44 | |
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| rtyler | jacekowski: so I suppose besides the MfE hack you don't have any other ideas for sync? | 21:46 |
| * rtyler thinks syncevolution might be a bridge too far | 21:46 | |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | humm seems n900 has lots trouble connecting to a windows 7 system | 21:55 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | onlyone that works always is the memory card | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | what the hell does "connecting to <any> system" actually mean? | 21:55 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | but not the pc suite or the massa memory | 21:55 |
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| niekvlessert | how can i make my phone recieve a message through bluetooth when entering bluetooth range? | 21:57 |
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| bef0rd | `Francesca_Lucch, I was able to connect it to a Windows 7 Professional x64 with Ovi Suite | 22:01 |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | well it worked the 1st 20 times with connecting | 22:01 |
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| `Francesca_Lucch | the icons came up under "my computer" | 22:02 |
| `Francesca_Lucch | but latly it dont | 22:02 |
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| heyya | what can the IR feature be used for besides controlling tvs? | 22:44 |
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| Pavel | heyya: I've used it on cameras as well. | 22:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I use it for controlling elephants. | 22:46 |
| heyya | lol, what else? | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | blind cameras with night vision | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | so you can sneak past them without being recorded | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | so when you steal stuff at night all they have is just nothing | 22:49 |
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| heyya | i dont think the IR port on the n900 is very powerful | 22:52 |
| heyya | in terms of output | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | enough to make your face invisible to the camera | 22:53 |
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| niekvlessert | re there docs about provisioning an maemo phone through sms? | 22:56 |
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| crashanddie | My girlfriend just did the best lapsus ever | 22:58 |
| crashanddie | Right in front of my grand-aunt | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | I ask "You wanna go upstairs?" | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | She replies "You wanna f[stutter]uck-Finish 'Finder's Fee'?" | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | luckily, my grand aunt doesn't really understand English all that well. | 22:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:01 |
| niekvlessert | i want to provision wifi+sip settings through sms and it shouldn't matter what brand your phone is. Is that even possible? | 23:04 |
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| jacekowski | niekvlessert: no | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | niekvlessert: most phones don't do sip | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | and lot of them have no wifi | 23:24 |
| niekvlessert | you'll be suprised how many do these days... | 23:24 |
| niekvlessert | nobody uses it, but that's something else | 23:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Whenever a new phone comes out it takes a few weeks before my operator has realized it and created settings for it | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | so that makes me think it's all per-device | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | instead of a generic format for settings | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | I think N900 doesn't receive settings well :P | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | I only got some broken WAP settings from my operator | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | whereas with my E75 I even got SIP settings :-) | 23:33 |
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| niekvlessert | you got SIP settings? great stuff | 23:38 |
| niekvlessert | i think those messages are kinda standard | 23:38 |
| niekvlessert | providers can't support all phones and all firmwares all the time | 23:38 |
| niekvlessert | so i guess it's the other way around | 23:38 |
| niekvlessert | the phone creators just should make 'm work | 23:38 |
| heyya | jacekowski: which app turns on the IR port to try this blinding? | 23:40 |
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| ShadowJK | There's an app for controlling digital cameras too | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, it's been revealed by german mag c't some years ago. All cmos cam chips have some IR decoder implemented in chip firmware/hardware, to control such things like freeze-frame, blackout whole picture or parts of it, even upload artifact frame data to expose via freeze-frame after upload finished. It's said the American CIA or NSA has a secret agreement with chip manufs for doing this | 23:48 |
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| ShadowJK | actually cameras come with remotes these days | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this is another channel to control the sensor chip directly though. Usable on virtually every surveillance cam, if you have the right remote control to send the IR codes directly to the sensor | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:51 |
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