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| Jartza | :D | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | Jartza: try icelandic... google translate english to icelandic: "first carbon neutral volcano" | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | should give you eyjafjalajokull | 00:00 |
| Jartza | sure | 00:00 |
| lcuk | Fyrsta kolefni hlutlaus eldfjall | 00:00 |
| lcuk | no actually | 00:00 |
| Jartza | that's the name of the volcano, quite easy actually to pronounce :) | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | indeed | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | Unable to open database "el-v1.db": file is encrypted or is not a database | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | (btw, eyjafjalajokull: 220cubic tones of co2 per day. estimated co2 produced by the planes that should've flown during the ash cloud: 350 cubic tones! First carbon neutral volcano!) | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | sure it's sqlite? | 00:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | afaik it's sqlite3 | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah | 00:02 |
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| crashanddie | duh :P | 00:02 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: from the doc "Depending how badly your database is corrupted, you may be able to recover some of the data by using the CLI to dump the schema and contents to a file and then recreate. Unfortunately, once humpty-dumpty falls off the wall, it is generally not possible to put him back together again." | 00:02 |
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| vickyk73 | hi is it possible to retrieve a deleted wifi account on the nokia n900 | 00:03 |
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| crashanddie | vickyk73: nope, hence the use of the term "deleted" | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | sqlite3 =! sqlite | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | sqlite3 opened it | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | apparently there are errors | 00:03 |
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| crashanddie | how many? | 00:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 20 | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | that's good | 00:04 |
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| Jartza | hmm | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: your convos are safe, most of them, anyway | 00:04 |
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| Jartza | luckily I have now 3 days off | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | any way to fix it? | 00:04 |
| vickyk73 | crashanddie i upgraded my nokia n900 to the latest firmware and i lost my setting of wifi | 00:04 |
| Jartza | and then back to teaching | 00:04 |
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| vickyk73 | is it anyway to get it back | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | vickyk73: not that I'm aware of -- once it's gone, it's gone. | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, anything other than microsoft access? | 00:08 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: basically, you need to dump the data to a text file, then reimport it | 00:09 |
| lcuk | actually no, I haven't seen a corrupt sqlite database and crashanddie has already pointed to a few mechanisms for recovery but google may find others | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | bah, i'll have a read tomorrow | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | night :/ | 00:09 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: a small python script that goes line by line over the data and then re-injects everything but the failed rows into a fresh db should do fine | 00:10 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, there should be automated methods already | 00:10 |
| lcuk | to try and generate a dupe clean version | 00:10 |
| * lcuk does find it surprising | 00:10 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk: not really, sqlite is used because it is so difficult to damage a db | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, rtcom-messaging-ui is one awesome tool then | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, sqlite is used on local systems | 00:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it corrupts it in seconds when rootfs is full | 00:11 |
| lcuk | people do not really put in in harms way | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | cba to file a bug, won't be fixed anyways | 00:11 |
| lcuk | unlike MS access where world+dog just shared it on the network | 00:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, did you happen to look today on hildon* | 00:12 |
| lcuk | before shouting | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope, school is a major blocker | 00:12 |
| lcuk | ++ | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you can have a process die in the middle of an insert/update, and maybe even pipe some stderr into the sqlpipe that sqlite would still just parse it and tell you to bugger off | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: the api really is excellent | 00:12 |
| lcuk | roger | 00:12 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, people say the same about Microsoft Access | 00:13 |
| lcuk | its rock solid for single user | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways, night | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | gnite MohammadAG51 i will keep eye out for tools | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | ty mate | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: I've asked for help from the sqlite guys | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | will see what gives | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | thanks :) | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | gnite | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | ttfn | 00:14 |
| th3hate | could some windows user check this flasher error: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9441/capturehg.png | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | th3hate, retry potentially? | 00:15 |
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| th3hate | lcuk, retry what? | 00:16 |
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| ToJa92 | [th3hate]: Where is the .bin file located? | 00:16 |
| ToJa92 | I'd put it in the same directory as flasher | 00:16 |
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| th3hate | ToJa92, in flashers dir | 00:16 |
| lcuk | th3hate, running the command | 00:16 |
| th3hate | im quite familiar with flashing | 00:17 |
| ToJa92 | Do you run CMD as administrator? | 00:17 |
| th3hate | yep | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | it looks like it got partway through? try again perhaps? | 00:17 |
| th3hate | tryied dozen of times | 00:17 |
| th3hate | looks like i bricked it | 00:17 |
| ToJa92 | looks like it was interrupted somehow | 00:17 |
| lcuk | power down everything remove batt etc and try again | 00:18 |
| lcuk | ? | 00:18 |
| th3hate | tried that too | 00:18 |
| ToJa92 | I'd try a different computer / a different OS then | 00:18 |
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| th3hate | after removing kernel-power device entered reboot loop and denies flashing rotofs | 00:19 |
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| th3hate | ToJa92, tired on windows xp, same error | 00:20 |
| th3hate | i think something in n900 is blocking flash attemp | 00:20 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: echo ".dump" | sqlite3 /path/to/el.db | sqlite /path/to/fixed.db | 00:31 |
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| * lcuk wonders how many apps to download today | 01:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | Gotta catch them all. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i might investigate playing with the menus at some point again | 01:52 |
| lcuk | the order seems backwards to me as a user | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | (the graffiti wall is right for me, newest at top left, descending) | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | or... | 01:53 |
| lcuk | if you launch an app | 01:53 |
| lcuk | allow the menu to retain its position | 01:53 |
| lcuk | so next time you open it you can carry on | 01:53 |
| lcuk | my menu is huge | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: i have that category thingy | 01:57 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, i don't mind long menus, i just wish it was in the place I expect it to be | 01:57 |
| lcuk | magic button time | 01:58 |
| lcuk | (customers used to call us asking for specific magic buttons that used mind reading techniques to know what operator wants | 01:58 |
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| zeltak | evening guys | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | hmmm n-speed | 03:06 |
| lcuk | who else is reminded of lotus esprit turbo challenge for its music | 03:06 |
| lcuk | and who can get past level 1 | 03:07 |
| konfoo | for amiga? | 03:07 |
| konfoo | Titus? | 03:07 |
| konfoo | :P | 03:07 |
| lcuk | konfoo, n-speed on maemo | 03:08 |
| lcuk | in repositories | 03:08 |
| konfoo | ah there was a lotus challenge on the amiga made by Titus | 03:08 |
| lcuk | and i did mean lotus esprit challenge 2 or 3 probably :$ | 03:08 |
| konfoo | way back when | 03:08 |
| lcuk | the music for it sounds like the mod it had | 03:08 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 03:08 |
| * lcuk couldnt remember whi it was by | 03:08 | |
| lcuk | i just settled down to play | 03:08 |
| konfoo | or tight ass as everyone used to call them :) | 03:08 |
| konfoo | those were killer gfx back in the day | 03:09 |
| lcuk | well this is fast - pseudo 3d using rotoblitter i assume | 03:09 |
| konfoo | nice | 03:09 |
| konfoo | ill have t try it :D | 03:09 |
| lcuk | it even has a copper sky! | 03:10 |
| konfoo | ha! | 03:10 |
| lcuk | infact, the more i hear this title tune it is the same sample set | 03:10 |
| lcuk | the mod that i am thinking of had a sample in it | 03:11 |
| lcuk | recorded low volume that said "you will not copy this game" | 03:11 |
| * lcuk grabs source and looks | 03:11 | |
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| Aboutthegame | who can tell me about how can play the game hookup3D? | 03:36 |
| Aboutthegame | please help me | 03:37 |
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| zeltak | hi lcuk how are you? | 03:52 |
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| smhar | it seems I am getting close to a limit, I tried updating a package and got this error: not enough space in application install memory | 04:00 |
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| smhar | in cbut in conky, I still have 41.75mb free in rootfs, 151.16 in home and more than 6gb in mydocs | 04:03 |
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| ideinit | development question: I am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys. Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that? | 04:24 |
| johnx | smhar, was it a game? | 04:25 |
| smhar | no, actually is a small battery utility | 04:26 |
| johnx | interesting | 04:27 |
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| johnx | as a side note: if you just freed a whole bunch of space on /, there might be some situations in which you need to reboot before the space frees itself, AFAIK | 04:28 |
| johnx | the other thing is to make sure that everything is mounted read-write | 04:28 |
| johnx | if there was some kind of fs error, things may remount read-only | 04:28 |
| smhar | hmm, will try rebooting and see | 04:31 |
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| cehteh | mhm you can connect a white led directly to a n900 battery .. gives lifetime lighting | 04:38 |
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| cehteh | (found a junk led on my desk ... lifetime of the led, lets see if it sustains more than 10 minutes :P) | 04:38 |
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| johnx | the LED or the battery? | 04:39 |
| cehteh | the led of course | 04:39 |
| cehteh | no current protection | 04:39 |
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| johnx | i thought voltage was the thing that broke LEDs. don't they just 'pull' as much current as they need? | 04:40 |
| cehteh | yes | 04:40 |
| cehteh | err wrong | 04:40 |
| cehteh | they are non-linear | 04:40 |
| ideinit | I am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys. Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that? The tutorial/tips I found online all use gtk calls "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM" | 04:40 |
| cehteh | the higher the voltage the exponentially more current they draw | 04:41 |
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| johnx | aaaah, got it | 04:41 |
| cehteh | leds have to be current regulated | 04:41 |
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| cehteh | with cheap led light only the inner resistance of the battery limits the current | 04:42 |
| cehteh | thats why you burn them with better rechangeable accus | 04:42 |
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| johnx | gah. when hfs+ kills itself it *really* kills itself | 05:08 |
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| scp1 | So have anyone got git working - I can not find it in the repos, and no one else seems to miss it. | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | I have git working on Gentoo | 06:07 |
| scp1 | lol. | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | :< | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | you know you want it… | 06:09 |
| Dhraakellian | I want a mail client that isn't modest | 06:09 |
| Dhraakellian | suggestions? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Dhraakellian: KMail! | 06:09 |
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| Dhraakellian | ...on maemo/n900? | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | not Maemo, Gentoo! | 06:10 |
| Dhraakellian | I already use kmail on the desktop and netbook | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | so it will fit in on your N900 :D | 06:10 |
| Dhraakellian | ...and I've done the whole gentoo thing | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | great | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | emerge kmail | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | then wait maybe a day | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:11 |
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| Dhraakellian | I'd prefer not to do it again without a really beefy machine or a compile farm of beefy machines | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | N900 isn't beefy enough for you? | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | poor little N900 | 06:12 |
| Dhraakellian | dotdotdot | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:12 |
| scp1 | dhraakellian, mutt? | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | when I switched to Gentoo, my 800 MHz Pentium 3 was good | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | 600 MHz ARM even better | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | too bad the eMMC is so slow | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:13 |
| Dhraakellian | scp1: is that in extras of any flavor? | 06:13 |
| * luke-jr notes there *was* a KDE 4 port to Maemo 4 | 06:14 | |
| Dhraakellian | I think I saw something about that a while back | 06:14 |
| scp1 | dhraakellian, no idea mate | 06:14 |
| scp1 | still trying to tame this stupid package manager :< | 06:14 |
| * Dhraakellian just doesn't like Mutt's lack of threading | 06:14 | |
| scp1 | threading *threads* or threading as in multiple threads? | 06:15 |
| * luke-jr notes there's nothing to gain from threading on N900 | 06:15 | |
| luke-jr | oh, lol | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | forgot that kind of threading | 06:15 |
| scp1 | if it's the first, mutt does that | 06:16 |
| scp1 | if it's the second, I have no idea what on earth you would benefit from that on any arch :p | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | scp1: you realize your question made no sense, right? | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | scp1: display of messages | 06:16 |
| scp1 | luke-jr, git? why? | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | better would have been: threading as in message flow, or as in code flow? | 06:16 |
| scp1 | yeah | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | scp1: erm... I meant *Modest*'s lack of threading | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | sorry | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | ewps | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | and the benefit of code threading on multi-core systems is that it can use both/all/more cores | 06:17 |
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| scp1 | I know all this mate. But look at mutt. It's not exactly something that needs much power :p | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | power in, power out | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | if it doesn't need much power, it can't give much power! | 06:18 |
| scp1 | power up! | 06:18 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.meanmachinesmag.co.uk/upload/multimedia/mario_power_up.mp3 | 06:20 |
| Dhraakellian | so let's see... mutt, htop, mc... | 06:24 |
| Dhraakellian | then I'd just need to get an ncurses dialer and bsdgames | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | well if you're gonna use CLI anyway, might as well go with Gentoo | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | it's only slow when you build KDE | 06:25 |
| johnx | or ... anything | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | everything else can build overnight | 06:27 |
| johnx | "hey look there's a new feature of foo out! guess I'll have to remember to start building it overnight so that I can use it sometime tomorrow if I remember!" | 06:28 |
| Dhraakellian | well, at least htop and mc can use the stylus for some things | 06:28 |
| Dhraakellian | can mut? | 06:28 |
| Dhraakellian | +t | 06:28 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: or you can wait weeks for someone to port it to Maemo and get it into extras ;) | 06:29 |
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| luke-jr | and since the port will probably never get into upstream, since it's hacky by nature, when Maemo 5 is completely abandoned, you'll be dead in the water | 06:31 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, I don't see how waiting for someone to make a 'port-file' or 'recipe' or whatever for it is any different than a .deb | 06:33 |
| johnx | anyways, tell me when you have dialer in gentoo that works on the N900 | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | making ebuilds is easy | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | making a .deb for Maemo is not | 06:33 |
| johnx | made both. don't see much difference | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | johnx: the telepathy-qt4 example should work fine | 06:34 |
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| johnx | and you're not using it because ... ? | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | because I haven't bothered to | 06:34 |
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| johnx | real convincing | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | it's not like dialer does anything more complex than my desktop on N900 | 06:35 |
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| Dhraakellian | hmm | 06:35 |
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| luke-jr | 100% of my phone service is SIP (or IAX2) | 06:36 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm... mutt is in extras-devel | 06:37 |
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| Dhraakellian | hmm... "no applications available" | 07:00 |
| scp1 | apt-get update && apt-get install mutt # should do it | 07:00 |
| scp1 | But I'm just ssh'ing to the server where I have my mutt already configured and running | 07:01 |
| scp1 | that's probably easier for you as well | 07:01 |
| Dhraakellian | yarr, but... | 07:02 |
| Dhraakellian | apt-get update | 07:02 |
| scp1 | fails? yeah, I know | 07:02 |
| Dhraakellian | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) | 07:02 |
| Dhraakellian | E: Unable to lock the list directory | 07:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | touch /var/lib/apt/lists/lock | 07:03 |
| scp1 | are you trying to run two package manangers at the same time? That's what the lock should prevent :p | 07:03 |
| Dhraakellian | ah, yes, atrp, faster than jfgi sometimes | 07:03 |
| * Dhraakellian was seriously about to jfgi | 07:03 | |
| MohammadAG51 | scp1, it's not locked, the lock file isn't there :p | 07:04 |
| scp1 | That was my point :p | 07:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not caused by two managers | 07:04 |
| Dhraakellian | I thought I had closed it... | 07:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's caused by one failing | 07:04 |
| scp1 | I see | 07:04 |
| Dhraakellian | or wait... memory playing tricks on me now | 07:04 |
| Dhraakellian | Wed Sep 1 00:04:49 EDT 2010 | 07:04 |
| Dhraakellian | that might be why | 07:04 |
| scp1 | apt seems to fail quite a bit | 07:04 |
| scp1 | :p | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | moo | 07:05 |
| scp1 | do you have super cow powers? | 07:07 |
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| scp1 | btw, I managed to get the proper coreutils to be used by default, it was just a $PATH issue. /usr/bin/gnu/ wasnt expected though | 07:08 |
| Dhraakellian | heh... had to do a mkdir first | 07:09 |
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| Dhraakellian | ...and after all that, I forgot to reenable extras-devel | 07:14 |
| Dhraakellian | *facepalm* | 07:14 |
| Dhraakellian | reenabled in app manager | 07:16 |
| Dhraakellian | ...and now package management is locked | 07:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Dhraakellian, killall apt-worker | 07:19 |
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| cehteh | .. patience ... | 07:21 |
| * scp1 plays 'Double Talkin' Jive' for cehteh | 07:23 | |
| Dhraakellian | mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable | 07:23 |
| Dhraakellian | And I'm going home | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* moo | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 07:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I see hope again for hostmode, paul actively participating now | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least until it turns out Nokia isn't capable to send devices to Russia :-S | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 08:04 |
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| * RST38h moos in the morning fog | 08:11 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: how are things? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | zzz | 08:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, m00f | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer coughs a lil more | 08:12 | |
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| RST38h | johnx: heya | 08:12 |
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| johnx | RST38h, how's it going? still summer over there? | 08:13 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Thankfully, no. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: 13oC, cloudy | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 08:14 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.09.01 0450 UTC; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.09 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 46 F (8 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT) | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Had enough summer for this year. | 08:15 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, soooo, you're saying I don't need to ask you "how's the weather?" | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could suggest thefuckingweather.com | 08:15 |
| johnx | RST38h, 9 months of overcast and drizzle for me, starting ... now | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | they're usually right | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 08:15 |
| johnx | it'd be awesome if they did some basic geolocation | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 08:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: Same here | 08:16 |
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| RST38h | johnx: except that the drizzle will become snow at some point. | 08:17 |
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| johnx | on the one hand, a snow day generally closes down the office. on the other hand a snow day generally closes down the *power* to the office | 08:17 |
| johnx | soooo, mixed feelings on snow | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as it's not blackouting your internet provider and gsm carrier ;-) | 08:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: nothing like that here | 08:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: or the place would be shuttered for half of the winter | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 08:20 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, generally GSM is fine, and the power at my house seems more reliable than the power at work ... | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: how is shipping from Nokia to your place, usually? | 08:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, oh, it's not *every* office here, just our little block of converted warehouses | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: sorry I have to say that, but: sounds like USA | 08:22 |
| johnx | sounds like the wrong priorities in real estate shopping to me, but I didn't have a say | 08:22 |
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| johnx | I have a funny feeling you can find buildings with poor wiring no matter what part of the world you're in | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not here :-P | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know we're THE KRAUTS | 08:24 |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer, uh huh. not sure I entirely believe that :P | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the electricians I had the pleasure to learn to know in New Orleans some 25 years ago, well they probably weren't allowed to plug in thei own electric shaver here in Germany | 08:27 |
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| johnx | heh. actually that reminds me of visiting the mozilla/maemo thing in copenhagen and plugging a US power strip into an EU->US plug adapter, so we had a US powerstrip spitting out 220v | 08:29 |
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| johnx | it arced something fierce when you plugged anything into it | 08:29 |
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| johnx | scared the natives :> | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:29 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 08:29 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, I think I just failed to prove my point | 08:30 |
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| johnx | but suffice to say the people who wired the office I work in would get a "very poor" rating even by my standards | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 08:31 |
| slonopotamus | everyone, quick, stop writing damn incompatible and hell knows for what version kernel patches for n8x0. you're just adding more mess. | 08:32 |
| * slonopotamus found one more set of patches, on top of 2.6.34-rc2 | 08:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are in Germany you're going to do some years in jail, for delivering such poor standards as an electrician | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Doc: Shipping? Very easy. I travel to US, get the package there, then travel back. | 08:33 |
| RST38h | ;) | 08:33 |
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| johnx | so, the RST38h courier service? I'd trust that over UPS ... | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not by any chance and incident you're going to do that any time soon? | 08:34 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Well, when it comes to going through .RU customs, any time | 08:34 |
| RST38h | Doc: Like, this Saturday. Why? | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, seems Nokia sees no way to ship a devel device to Moskow | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | to Paul | 08:35 |
| RST38h | There is an easier way | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Doc: I have got a devel device here that I need to return to Nokia | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | this saturday would be really really great | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Doc: Talk to Quim. If Quim says "yes", I can pass it to whoever Quim names. | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's great, mate :-D | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Doc: Just, please, do it TODAY, ok? Because otherwise, I will send it back to Nokia once I go to the US | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll try to get into contact to everybody involved | 08:36 |
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| * Dhraakellian decides not to mess with stuff anymore for the night/morning | 08:40 | |
| * Dhraakellian comments out extras-testing and -devel until he specifically needs something from them again | 08:41 | |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, you win the common sense award! yay! | 08:41 |
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| * scp1 have just spent 30 min porting a mplayer daemon to maemo, and it works! | 08:41 | |
| * Dhraakellian misses zypper | 08:42 | |
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| Surfa | scp1, hooray, what are you going to do with it? | 08:42 |
| Dhraakellian | see, with zypper, I could've just done rootsh zypper mr -d repoalias | 08:42 |
| Dhraakellian | wouldn't have had to edit a sources.list file and apt-get update | 08:42 |
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| * Dhraakellian wonders if it'd be possible to get zypper running on maemo/dpkg | 08:43 | |
| scp1 | surfa, I use it all the time on all boxes, for example, I'm streaming all my music from the main server, so I can just rmcd -l shiva and then I can go and do something else. It works on local files and other radio stations etc as well.. Very handy imo | 08:43 |
| RST38h | Dhra: probably not | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Dhra: on the other hand, enabling extras-testing is perfectly ok | 08:44 |
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| RST38h | By not enabling it, you will be missing on a lot of useful software | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg, where's gan900? | 08:44 |
| scp1 | > root | 08:45 |
| scp1 | Illegal instruction | 08:45 |
| scp1 | what? | 08:45 |
| RST38h | asleep? | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but usually his IRC avatar never sleeps | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ping | 08:46 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm... I think zypper/libzypp can work on top of deb/dpkg | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, maybe | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: you prefer zypper over the incredible awesomeness of apt-get? X-D | 08:49 |
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| Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: zypper is also a tad more concise, which is nice on the thumbboard | 08:49 |
| Dhraakellian | and it also doesn't have that annoying hyphen in the command name | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually people are asking for ` alias apt-get=zypper`, for meego :-D | 08:50 |
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| Dhraakellian | Hah! | 08:50 |
| * Dhraakellian uses openSUSE 11.2 and 11.3 on the desktop and netbook, respectively | 08:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 08:50 |
| Dhraakellian | and the Desktop will probably be getting 11.3 this weekend, coinciding with a massive harddrive upgrade | 08:51 |
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| johnx | opensuse and I don't always really get along ... | 08:53 |
| * Dhraakellian remembers bad old days when (open)SUSE package management was dead slow, even/especially from the commandline | 08:54 | |
| Dhraakellian | and it still might not always be quite so fast as apt-get, but then again, it does check for repo updates every time unless you tell it not to | 08:54 |
| Dhraakellian | but other than that, it's pretty good | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>yeah, but it's so slooooow<< They need to overclock their N900 for getting done the 5500 Zypper commands per day, if ever they move to meego :-P | 08:56 |
| johnx | I mainly fought with network config on a server, but part of the anger that I associate with it is probably best aimed at the vendor/consultant who listed opensuse as a requirement then changed his mind ... | 08:57 |
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| Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: meh. If I'm in a hurry, I just add --no-refresh | 08:57 |
| Dhraakellian | on the n900, I'd probably alias that in and do zypper ref when needed | 08:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 08:58 |
| xnt14_N900 | O_o, telepathy irc group chat ui works :) | 08:58 |
| johnx | xnt14_N900, terrifying. is it reasonable to use? | 08:59 |
| Dhraakellian | 'zypper --no-refresh ref' does indeed appear to work and refresh repos, so yeah... I'd do that aliasing | 08:59 |
| xnt14_N900 | Johnx, hmm, looks pretty usable... | 08:59 |
| Dhraakellian | ...unless, of course, there's a config setting to not refresh automatically | 08:59 |
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| xnt14_N900 | No tab-completion though :( | 09:00 |
| johnx | xnt14_N900, do you get nick hilighting and/or some kind of alert? | 09:00 |
| * Dhraakellian wants to try KDE 4.5 with plasma-mobile on his n900 | 09:01 | |
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| * Dhraakellian does not, however, have the expertise to manually get it running himself | 09:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 09:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | KDE4, what a sad example of deliberate regression on a macroscopic level | 09:02 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, you mean they didn't do a good job of regressing globally? | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually they did. Seems it's the only thing they did a good job at | 09:04 |
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| Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: try something later than 4.0.x | 09:04 |
| Dhraakellian | actually, 4.2 or later | 09:05 |
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| Dhraakellian | preferably 4.5 | 09:05 |
| * johnx always liked WindowMaker | 09:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | KDE4.3.1 here, still more segfaults in everything than KDE1. Not to mention all the other regressions and 'minor' bugs | 09:06 |
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| Jartza | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/how_google_maps_actually_works.jpg | 09:08 |
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| xkr47-DI | :) | 09:09 |
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| scp1 | Isn't is possibly to use the official debian arm repos for us? | 09:09 |
| scp1 | possible, even | 09:09 |
| johnx | Jartza, how magic 8-balls actually work: http://sale.images.woot.com/Ask_Again_Later7d7Detail.png | 09:10 |
| johnx | scp1, to install things onto maemo or onto a debian chroot? | 09:10 |
| scp1 | johnx, to maemo, I'm not sure I'd want to try the chroot again :) | 09:10 |
| johnx | scp1, doing that is a bit more risky than using a chroot ... | 09:11 |
| scp1 | ouff. Why is that? | 09:11 |
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| johnx | scp1, because debian packages all depend on a certain set of core packages and maemo has a different set it depends on | 09:13 |
| scp1 | I see.. | 09:13 |
| johnx | basically, most debian packages will probably just try to install coreutils, get halfway through replacing busybox and make your phone unbootable | 09:13 |
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| frals | fwiw dpkg -i --force-all bla.deb from debian arm repo has worked the few times ive tried | 09:14 |
| scp1 | sounds reasonable. | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | installing coreutils shouldn't really impact messybox though | 09:14 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, uhm, what? | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | coreutils-gnu doesn't do update-alternatives | 09:14 |
| johnx | you mean the maemo package? or the debian package? | 09:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, of course not the deb pkg | 09:15 |
| johnx | you *could* probably modify a fair number of maemo packages to say they 'Provide: ' whatever the debian package needs | 09:16 |
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| johnx | but IIRC, 'Provides: ' has some issue with versions, so version specific dependencies would fail | 09:17 |
| johnx | or something like that | 09:17 |
| johnx | been a while | 09:17 |
| scp1 | Well, where do one modify such things? I'm so used to the simplicity of PKGBUILDS | 09:17 |
| johnx | get the source package, tweak its debian/control, debuild (or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot or whatever) in the SDK | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frals: ack, same here | 09:18 |
| johnx | rinse, repeat | 09:18 |
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| scp1 | Okay. This dpkg business is so darn complicated :< oh well | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen jebba | 09:19 |
| infobot | jebba <~jebba@8.20.201.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 51d 4h 57m 19s ago, saying: 'Well, you better wear a helmet around here....'. | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope he did | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems /topic is incorrect :-( | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://espejo.freemoe.org/ down temporarily or jebba nuked it definitely? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 09:21 |
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| johnx | scp1, it's really not *that* bad normally. It's just that maemo is really far from debuntu in terms of core packages | 09:22 |
| scp1 | hopefully it gets better everyday though. is n900 the only available device running maemo as of today? | 09:23 |
| scp1 | except the old n800 | 09:23 |
| johnx | well, there are some very strangely hacked up maemo running devices in China | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 777/N800/N810 | 09:24 |
| scp1 | heh, figured :) | 09:24 |
| johnx | but they're not available to export for the most part | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 770 | 09:24 |
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| johnx | I'm not going to claim that Maemo is the best distribution ever, just that the really broken feeling parts mostly don't come from debuntu | 09:25 |
| scp1 | There should be more. This is the only proper phone I've seen. And, for a phone to proper, it have to be running linux and it have to be a computer, imo :) | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, the first case of antitrolling | 09:26 |
| scp1 | Well it's not maemo I'm having trouble with, it's the package management. But I've never liked dpkg/apt... it overcomplicates things | 09:26 |
| scp1 | I'll learn that, too, though | 09:26 |
| johnx | it's a bit arcane, but it's not all that complicated | 09:26 |
| johnx | the biggest problem is figuring out where to get started | 09:26 |
| scp1 | I can only compare to pacman/ABS | 09:27 |
| * Stskeeps likes the lean-and-mean approach of meego | 09:27 | |
| johnx | (and yeah, my favorite setup is actually OE for the build and opkg for the binary packages) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | base system, enough to start up x, run qt, and daemons activated over dbus.. | 09:27 |
| scp1 | But hey, before I actually bought the device I thought I was gonna install arch on it, but I might actually stick with this. | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh opkg | 09:28 |
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| scp1 | and the maemo community seems great | 09:28 |
| johnx | :) | 09:29 |
| scp1 | not like the ubuntu one... | 09:29 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 09:29 |
| jacekowski | seems | 09:29 |
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| jacekowski | that's a keyword there | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 09:29 |
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| johnx | all communities have growing pains ... | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo jacekowski | 09:29 |
| scp1 | yeah, I guess. | 09:29 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, i overslept | 09:30 |
| jacekowski | again | 09:30 |
| jacekowski | i have to go to work | 09:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 09:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | scp1: wait till your first tmo blues hits | 09:31 |
| scp1 | docscrutinizer, what? | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 09:32 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 09:32 |
| scp1 | lol | 09:32 |
| scp1 | ~uptime | 09:33 |
| scp1 | :o | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 09:33 |
| infobot | Since Sat Aug 28 11:30:50 2010, there have been 4 modifications, 116 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 55 commands. I have been awake for 3d 19h 2m 28s this session, and currently reference 117241 factoids. I'm using about 20212 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1152.94/23.95 child 0/0 | 09:33 |
| scp1 | purl, nice | 09:33 |
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| zsircusr | test | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | failed | 09:36 |
| johnx | zsircusr, command not found | 09:36 |
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| zsircusr | kk | 09:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo tekojo | 09:38 |
| tekojo | hi DocScrutinizer | 09:38 |
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| zsircusr | windows mobile bad :( | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffee tasty | 09:39 |
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| johnx | congratulations, both of your understatements have entirely canceled each other out with their magnitude | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: that's been the plan :-D | 09:40 |
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| johnx | in fact if we had a scale that had bad at one end and good at the other we could probably just replace bad with winmo and good with coffee and still get the point across just fine | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: when are you going back from USA? | 10:00 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: ping | 10:13 |
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| galatage | which tool to use on maemo for doing code-coverage for a c++ code ? | 10:16 |
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| crashanddie | galatage: there isn't any | 10:19 |
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| crashanddie | galatage: at least, none specific to Maemo. You may want to see if there are any available as part of the G++ suite, or related to it. | 10:20 |
| galatage | crashanddie: thank you.. will check that out | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: #meego-art exists now too | 10:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1772762&cid=33432938 | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 10:39 |
| lupine_85 | \o/, it lives! | 10:39 |
| * lupine_85 just had to reflash his N900 for the first time | 10:39 | |
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| tank-man | enchantments? | 10:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: o/ thanks :) | 10:39 |
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| johnx | timeless_mbp, the most common enchantment being "use this app and die a virgin" | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | tank-man: they're so much better than enhancements | 10:40 |
| crashanddie | johnx: so a probability for suicide? | 10:40 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if there's an enchantment to get the right word to be automatically inserted in place of the wrong word | 10:41 | |
| crashanddie | sorry, misread that as s/die/kill/ | 10:41 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, sed | 10:41 |
| johnx | c'mon, just try and tell me regular expressions aren't magic | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 10:42 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, pong ... je suis au bureau et non chez moi :) | 10:49 |
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| Khertan_Work | stupid webchat captcha ... it s unreadable | 10:50 |
| Khertan_Work | Morning all ! | 10:50 |
| johnx | 'night all :) | 10:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_Work: better webchat is unusable, than whole IRC gets unusable due to bot attacks :-P | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | gateway/web/freenode/ip MEH | 10:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm | 10:58 |
| kerio | do personal cloaks overwrite the web gateway cloak? | 10:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 10:58 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: yes | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | kerio: but it's still displayed as part of the Real Name | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | supposed to overwrite any generic user id / cloak | 10:59 |
| kerio | just ban *!*@gateway/web/freenode then | 10:59 |
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| crashanddie | wtf, why? | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | we already did, several times | 10:59 |
| kerio | oh | 10:59 |
| kerio | then ok | 10:59 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 10:59 |
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| RST38h | why would you apply a wide ban like that? | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | with capcha and join throttling we hope to be ok for a while | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | kerio: /whois crashanddie_ | 11:00 |
| Khertan_Work | DocScrutinizer: and midbits cannot be use too ... banned | 11:01 |
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| Khertan_Work | DocScrutinizer: and serveral webchat client has been banned too | 11:01 |
| Khertan_Work | :( | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not specifically in this chan | 11:01 |
| crashanddie | the mibbit admins were idiots | 11:01 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: they've been glined from freenode | 11:01 |
| Khertan_Work | DocScrutinizer: i need to reenter captcha often more than 5 times | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's what I implied, yes | 11:02 |
| Khertan_Work | the captcha use is really difficult to read | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | freenode offered to work with them so that they would be able to provide an auth mechanism | 11:02 |
| Khertan_Work | why not use a captcha more easy to read ? (for example like mine : http://khertan.net/khteditor:bugs | 11:02 |
| Khertan_Work | ) | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | mibbit was bitching about how they wanted to implement a specific way to do things, when freenode couldn't agree to that, as it would've given access to the outside world to the user database (duh) | 11:02 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: because that's easily hackable | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: a simple OCR and parse it in PHP, and you've got the result | 11:03 |
| Khertan_Work | crashanddie: mine isn't easily "hackable" | 11:03 |
| Khertan_Work | crashanddie: try ... it ll take too time to ocr it | 11:04 |
| kerio | hmm | 11:04 |
| kerio | i can't distinguish between + and x | 11:04 |
| kerio | so yeah | 11:04 |
| kerio | fail | 11:04 |
| johnx | kerio, you're a robot | 11:04 |
| kerio | also recaptcha > other captchas | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | kerio: link | 11:05 |
| Khertan_Work | kerio: recaptcha is a pain to read on n900 | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | Khertan_Work: link | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | wow | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | that's easy to ocr | 11:05 |
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| cehteh | Khertan_Work: its pain to read anywhere | 11:07 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_Work: I had 8 * 5, and an _ONLINE_ free OCR service recognised it as "g * 5"... I'd wager that a OCR lib that allows to specify we want digits and not characters would pwn your captcha fairly quickly | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Work: plus, the biggest weakness of captchas is that if an attacker really wants to crack it, he just presents it on a porn website... "Want to watch Angelina Jolie blowing a huge cock? Solve this captcha first!" | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | giben the ease IRC allows anonymous posts via the genuine API, I'd guess the webchat bots just do that because it's so much easier than implementing even a basic IRC protocol | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | given* | 11:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so probably little chances for sophisticated OCD implemented in such bot which usually comes as a rogue payload via HTML pages or something | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | OCR* (/me needs onother coffee obviously) | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | well | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | IRC allows you to spam a hundred channels without even reading input | 11:16 |
| Khertan_Work | crashanddie: what _ONLINE_ free OCR did you use ? | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | you just dump a .txt to a socket | 11:16 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_Work: dunno, just typed "ocr online" | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | in google | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | YMMV | 11:16 |
| Khertan_Work | Sorry, we could not find any text in your image. | 11:17 |
| Khertan_Work | lol | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | hehe | 11:18 |
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| Khertan_Work | uh .... http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/ <---- | 11:21 |
| Khertan_Work | does there is an other api break planned ? | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_Work: Just a symlink. | 11:22 |
| Khertan_Work | ah ok :) | 11:22 |
| Khertan_Work | thx X-Fade ... | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_Work: No break is planned, but I wanted to be ready to at least be able to fix things if it might happen. | 11:22 |
| Khertan_Work | X-Fade: at least a good idea to stay ready :) | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Don't want to be surprised again ;) | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 11:23 |
| Khertan_Work | héhé | 11:23 |
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| X-Fade | And change requests like that can't be done when the outcome can't be tested. So that is why the links are there. | 11:25 |
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| ebzzry | This may be labeled as very stupid: my wife has accidentally locked my N900 via Power Button -> Lock Device. As a consequence, I can't use it anymore. Can anybody point me to what should I read to get my system back? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | '12345' | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:28 |
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| ebzzry | Stskeeps: It works now. Thanks. I thought it was '1234'. | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Work: <urlopen error(-2, 'Name or service not known')> | 11:29 |
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| ebzzry | Which brings me to my next question. Assuming someone deliberately locked my phone, and has inputted a different code. How can I get the system back? I have a custom bootmenu that allows me SSH access to the phone via USB, by the way. | 11:30 |
| Khertan_Work | crashanddie: no network | 11:30 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_Work: well, yeah, but still :P Ugly error message | 11:30 |
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| ebzzry | How does this locking mechanism work? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: there are documented ways to unlock | 11:31 |
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| MNZ | ebzzry: they would have to enter the correct lock code to lock the device | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 | 11:31 |
| MNZ | no wait | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: not exactly, but they'd need the old lockcode to change it to a new unknown one aiui | 11:32 |
| MNZ | you don't enter any lock code to lock the device. but I suppose for someone to change your lock code they would have to enter the original anyway | 11:32 |
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| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Let me check that. | 11:32 |
| MNZ | exactly | 11:32 |
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| jacekowski | Khertan_Work: take a look at your page | 11:33 |
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| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. I want to try that. | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | Khertan_Work: it took me less than 30 minutes to break that captcha with sufficient efficiency | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | Khertan_Work: and write script that would spam your wiki | 11:33 |
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| Khertan_Work | jacekowski: lol :) nice | 11:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws hAx0R medal at jacekowski :-P | 11:38 | |
| Khertan_Work | ocr ? or a failed ? | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | ocr | 11:38 |
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| jacekowski | and i'm getting like 60% efficiency with just gocr | 11:39 |
| jacekowski | with proper ocr i could get 99% | 11:39 |
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| jacekowski | MNZ: you can change code on unlocked device | 11:41 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: code_reset | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: in repo | 11:42 |
| Khertan_Work | must go on | 11:42 |
| Khertan_Work | bye | 11:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mhm | 11:42 |
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| jacekowski | he's going to have lot of fun deleting that spam on his wiki | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | hmm, nope | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | it's gone | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | i could be a dick and leave that spamming script running | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | multiple copies of it | 11:43 |
| crashanddie | and then I could be a dick and ban you from #maemo forever | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | could be? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:44 |
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| crashanddie | well, we both are | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha, it needs john to make me aware I changed my lockcode, and even worse to something I for sure never ever had recalled | 11:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer <- :oD | 11:48 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | guesses: 1 time: 0:00:00:01 | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo Jaffa | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSCK something completely messed up my device, no idea what it was | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | ghosts | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: jrbme ;) | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings closing after 10s of loading activity rotary dial | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: What is your email? | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: there's no jrbme running on that device | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Electron migration ;) | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: And what is Paul Feltser's IRC nick? | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I rebooted 3 times last 3 days, due to all sorts of weird issues, like call-ui freezes, stalled/failed sshd, whatnot | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, messages in dmesg? | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing interesting yet, last time I checked | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 11:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither now, except myriads of [94278.447662] wlan0: deauthenticated [94279.717803] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:13:49:e0:de:dc [94279.721069] wlan0: authenticated [94279.721099] wlan0: associate with AP 00:13:49:e0:de:dc [94279.723968] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:13:49:e0:de:dc (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=2) [94279.724029] wlan0: associated | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | Doc: I emailed Quim. CCed to you. | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: great! many thanks | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe you'd better take another one/few devel dev *to* Moscow, rather than exporting the one device *from* Russia ;-D | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: alas I'm rather sure we'll not make that happen, in the time remaining until you return home from USA | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I'm not overclocking :-D, so hoping for petrovic malfunction locking CPU @ 600 for one day hasn't actually caused any damage. Anyway I'm really puzzled what might have triggered this general misbehaviour, last 'nasty' thing I did (and remember) was a `swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3` and reverse after some minutes, plus a boot some times later. | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Well, I can't carry them in bunches, as this may pose problems at the customs | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: I can probably take one or two though | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | thing that puzzles me most is: device won't start on power button after shutdown, unless battery removed for a few seconds | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Hold the power button for ~5sec, see if it starts | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It takes several seconds to really shutdown after display off. | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yepyep, considered and did all this | 12:18 |
| RST38h | That too | 12:18 |
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| kerio | it could also be that the shutdown is taking too long for some reason | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope, I gave shutdown time like 5min to complete, when device was assumed shutdown but didn't poweron. Then I inserted charger and immediately NOLO came up, so it's been definitely off | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | last reboot was like 18h ago, due to sshd or wlan borked. Did virtually nothing with the device since then, except a few ls and cat etc over ssh, and now settings app fails to completely startup, closing window after ~10s | 12:31 |
| nid0 | well, in technical terms | 12:32 |
| nid0 | it's buggered | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nota bene this is my daily use phone, which never seen any usb hostmode or other heavy hackery | 12:33 |
| kerio | reflash | 12:33 |
| kerio | see if it goes away | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm :-S | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly only thing to do about it, yes | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I might want to walk thru the list of installed apps and kick out several of those, prior to a full reflash though | 12:35 |
| mece | would something made in pygame for n900 run directly on n8xx? | 12:36 |
| Shadikka | It should, I think. | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody an idea what's the cmdline invocation of settings? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-control-panel? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnx | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | i don't think so | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | and you have to launch it with a launcher | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, except there's no such thing | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | otherwise it segfaults | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | /usr/bin/controlpanel | 12:43 |
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| jacekowski | but that's a symlink to launcher | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | real control panel app is in | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thanks | 12:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wait, isn't there some funny cheating in hildon, to show a 'screenshot' of the app while cranking up real process in background? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:51 |
| nid0 | yes | 12:52 |
| nid0 | most noticeable (on my device at least) on the clock/alarms app | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, while starting settings via hildon appstarter gives me a screen looking like settings, with a busy rotary dial in the topbar and closing after ~10s, starting /usr/bin/controlpanel never terminates or has any visible effect, while starting /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch segfaults immediately | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Installed any control panel plugins? | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | a few | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | I'd uninstall those. | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, though it seems to me all of those worked for months | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | Well, your CP did too ;) | 12:55 |
| nid0 | is it purely the settings screen that doesnt open? | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | location test same thing | 12:56 |
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| MNZ | /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch is SUPPOSED to segfault, so that's normal | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | media player same thing | 12:56 |
| Jaffa | Bargain. Just got a room for Nokia World *right* at the ExCeL Centre for 53 quid :) | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | xterm same thing | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't start any app | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically, of course dialer works, browser works - all those that are preloaded seem to work. No surprise | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: how many rats will you be living with? :P | 12:58 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's an Ibis, so should be OK | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh uptime 8 days W*T*F???? I'm absolutely sure I rebooted after battery removal yesterday | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Clock messed up? | 13:01 |
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| nid0 | if you can see uptime with xterm not working, im guessing sshd works? | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno - powered down, now removing battery, just in case and to be sure :-P | 13:02 |
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| nid0 | tbh though, even these slowdowns people get after "long" uptimes always suggest something a bit fubar to me | 13:03 |
| nid0 | my device is at 9 days so far, and exactly as fast as when i turned it on | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, 60s probably will sufice to even reset RTC, due to usually borked backup cell | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: (ssh) yep, exactly | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, please enter lang, date, time, region | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | 60s were enough, though time/date still correct | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ settings, the real one | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, meh - forget half of what I said above, not my day :-( | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh win on laptop was the wrong one :-P | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the one to devel N900, not to the everyday clean phone) | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :blush: | 13:10 |
| nid0 | doh. | 13:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: PS1 MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT | 13:10 |
| Lynoure | hmph | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo IroN900 >/etc/hostname did it :-P | 13:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# | 13:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vs | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# | 13:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: also vi /etc/hosts | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | *now* | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: doesn't help, as both shells usually open 24/7 | 13:12 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 13:12 |
| kerio | you need to add IroN900 to /etc/hostts | 13:12 |
| kerio | *hosts | 13:12 |
| kerio | set it to 127.0.0.1 | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would I need to do that? | 13:13 |
| kerio | not sure why | 13:13 |
| kerio | b | 13:13 |
| kerio | but any "how to change a unix hostname" always told to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts | 13:13 |
| Lynoure | kerio: without /etc/hosts part it will not resolve right, that's why | 13:14 |
| nid0 | changing /etc/hosts will just allow the device to resolve iron900 to localhost, there shouldnt be any need atall for it on the n900 though | 13:14 |
| kerio | still | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, there's "127.0.0.1 Nokia-N900-42-11 localhost" in there, so I guess you got a point | 13:15 |
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| kerio | 42! | 13:19 |
| kerio | it's a sign! | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, thanks to my blindness I lost the dmesg, and of course now after boot everything back to normal - guess I need to wait another 24h. Suspect it's related to WLAN and my router disconnecting from internet for 60s every 24h. Seen other machines stall on that, even to the point of kernel OOPS | 13:25 |
| defragger | is it possible to dualboot maemo with meego? | 13:27 |
| alterego | Up for an upgrade now. All the devices look cwap .. | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | defragger: afaik yes | 13:27 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: netgear router dropping lan connections? | 13:27 |
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| defragger | DocScrutinizer: do you know any useable howto for that? | 13:27 |
| lcuk | frals, nspeed is on extras | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZyXEL router forcing disconnect before provider does | 13:28 |
| alterego | Ooo, I can upgrade with car phone warehouse even though I got my contract direct from Vodafone .. | 13:28 |
| nid0 | yeah you get to do that, thats what i did to get my n900 | 13:28 |
| nid0 | o2 didnt offer it, just upgraded my contract with them through cpw instead | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | defragger: sorry, no idea. seems you need to RTFM of meego for it | 13:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if /etc/hosts might be involved in that problem | 13:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | something ARP/rDNS or whatever DHCP related... | 13:31 |
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| alterego | Anyone got any recommendations for a handset? | 13:31 |
| alterego | I was trhinking of getting a symbian device so I can do parallel development . | 13:31 |
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| alterego | I could just get the most expensive one and sell it ^.^ | 13:33 |
| alterego | I'm not going to move away from my N900 for some time. | 13:33 |
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| alterego | Or I could get another N900 .. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i've been considering that | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | as it gets irritating to shut off my phone for work.. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: there are some nice closed stereo BT headsets with goodies like electronic ambient noise reduction | 13:35 |
| alterego | I'd like it for MeeGo development. | 13:35 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: headsets? I'm talking about handsets :P | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, see? Not my day | 13:35 |
| alterego | :D | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gonna shut up for a few hours :-S | 13:36 |
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| alterego | What are the latest Symbian devices like? N97 Min, x3 X6? | 13:36 |
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| alterego | Or maybe I should get an Android, to look at the competition ^.^ | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: how's about N8? | 13:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, I could wait for the N8 | 13:37 |
| alterego | Not sure how I'll react to not having a keypad though .. | 13:38 |
| alterego | I don't think I'll like it. | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 13:38 |
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| alterego | Though, it would be good for development, as a lot of people seem to like having touch only input. | 13:39 |
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| alterego | I could make sure my UXs are touch-only friendly. | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could make sure your UX bits user's finger :-D | 13:41 |
| kerio | i bought a bluetooth stereo headset ^_^ | 13:42 |
| kerio | it's cute, with a clip that holds a mic and the media keys | 13:42 |
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| nid0 | tbh, directly getting a new n900 would be silly | 13:45 |
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| nid0 | out of cpw's list i'd just get the most overpriced phone available (iphone ofc) sell it for £500, then if you want another n900, buy one for £350 and pocket the difference \o/ | 13:46 |
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| alterego | nidwas thinking that too ;) | 13:47 |
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| alterego | Holy crap, 27.3GB of data last month .. | 13:49 |
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| nid0 | on your mobile? | 13:49 |
| alterego | Yeah | 13:50 |
| Duckboot | alterego: Wuuut | 13:50 |
| nid0 | how on earth'd you manage thaty | 13:50 |
| alterego | Probably BBC iPlayer | 13:50 |
| nid0 | what i meant more was: how on earth'd you manage that without getting cut off / charged a fortune :p | 13:50 |
| alterego | My contract is for unlimited data usage. | 13:50 |
| nid0 | with a fup of like 500mb | 13:51 |
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| alterego | I'm not in a built up area? :) | 13:51 |
| alterego | Though I doubt they'd care. | 13:51 |
| alterego | I've been averaging 5-10G a month for the past year .. | 13:51 |
| nid0 | i had to use my n900 to tether recently as i just moved and had no adsl for a week and a half | 13:51 |
| nid0 | racked up 5gb in that time and had a text from o2 telling me to ease up or face bills | 13:52 |
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| alterego | nid0: exactly what I'm doing, but I've not bothered getting boradband because the 3G is fast enough for me .. | 13:52 |
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| alterego | Looks like the HTC Touch HD 2 is the most expensive at the moment .. | 13:54 |
| alterego | Not sure I can bring myself to getting a winmo though ^.^ | 13:54 |
| nid0 | theoretically, but its a hard phone to sell | 13:54 |
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| nid0 | not many people will want to be ebaying a winmo device, even if the hd2 is damn good | 13:54 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also consider that eaying phones is not without rish | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 13:55 |
| alterego | indeed | 13:55 |
| nid0 | well, just make sure not to send them to the buyer's granny in nigeria | 13:55 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:56 |
| alterego | I'll say UK only | 13:56 |
| alterego | I've never actually sold anything on ebay .. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | UK only, >1fb at least. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - gert a tracking number when you send it. | 13:56 |
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| nid0 | yer make sure to insist itll be sent tracked + insured only | 13:56 |
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| nid0 | otherwise the buyer "wont receive it" | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: (o2) germany? | 13:57 |
| nid0 | o2 uk | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 13:57 |
| alterego | Yeah | 13:58 |
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| alterego | Thanks for the advice, I think I'll hold off for a while and see what comes out over the next couple3 of months | 14:00 |
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| nid0 | kinda a shame cpw only have the streak on o2 | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | root:12345: | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | let's see what it gets us replacing lockcode 12345 with 12345 :-P | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | root:OybLWsCckad.E: | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 14:08 |
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| pupnik | nice DocScrutinizer | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Nice, you nicely messed up your cal area ;) | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | argh f this | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not me, settings lockcode did - haha | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, ty, but it didn't help | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | damn | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: errors? | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | none | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | coversations crashes | 14:10 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i can't get i2c to work on my beagle board | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: john the riper still thinks it's 12345, in zero time :-) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ripper even | 14:12 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Ah, so it gets delivered factory default in plain text. And gets encrypted when you set it. | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly | 14:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | argh | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | are there any logs for rtcom crap? | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Isn't it browserd crashing? | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | the conversations app isn't browserd afaik | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: It is. | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | even the main ui? | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | which i doubt | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: It is a javasript gui. | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | those are the logs | 14:19 |
| * MohammadAG51 pokes timeless | 14:19 | |
| X-Fade | Ah, the main view. Don't know about that. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Well open it and kill browserd ;) | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | starting it from terminal does nothing | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAH | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 800+ processes dbus-scripts | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps ax|grep dbus-scripts|less | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | -sh: cannot fork | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# Connection to 192.168.1.30 closed. | 14:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | o_O | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | any questions, sherlock? | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, reboot? | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh wait, that's a suggestion | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, see backscroll | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root 192.168.1.30; date | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting went apeshit, it seems | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no wonder I find all kinds of nasty problems, like not a single app starting | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | yes? | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, confirmed. Same problem as before | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, is the main coversations UI related to browserd? | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | the one with new IM/new SMS | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart dbus-scripting | 15:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't think so | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it's only the view w/ the actual chats | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, do you know if there's a way to log the conversations app's startup? | 15:03 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm N900 for PS3 jailbreaking. That is about the last thing I would have thought about :) http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/2010/08/psjailbreak-usb-gadget-kernel-driver/ | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 15:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can enable syslog and you can change how an app starts so it gets glog ing | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: It seeems that ^^^ guy is working on usb host too? | 15:07 |
| defragger | does anybody tries meego with multiboot already? | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, different crap :P | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | the psgroove jailbreak requires the N900 to look like a hub | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | it won't be an actual hub | 15:11 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 15:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, still related | 15:11 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, constantly amazed at how maemo is (ab)used! | 15:11 |
| lcuk | hey Venemo | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I don't get it. What is he trying to do? Hub? | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, only slightly | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | though he might be helpful | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: >>My idea was to use an existing programmable linux-based device (my N900) to act as the dongle.<< | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: so not exactly host mode related it seems to me | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No idea, only the presentation part of it I guess. | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: sorry, please rephrase | 15:16 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Looking like an usb hub part. | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't get it, sorry. He talks about USB hub, which in my book is a hardware consisting of several downstream ports (which arguably resemble a USB host) plus one upstream port. But in his first few sentences he explains he wants to implement a RE'd dongle, by using his N900 in gadget mode | 15:19 |
| IcanCU | someone know if its possible to save trip/gps data with ovi maps? just drive a route and later look back what route you drove? | 15:19 |
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| bince_NGT_TECH | hi guys | 15:24 |
| bince_NGT_TECH | is there an app for nokia n900 tha wil allow the n900 to b controlled via internet,and not the other way around like teamveiwer,cos i am planning on giving it a try.so does an app exist | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | x11vnc | 15:26 |
| lcuk | bince_NGT_TECH, you mean like vnc? http://maemo.org/packages/view/x11vnc/ | 15:26 |
| bince_NGT_TECH | lcuk:lemme c :D | 15:27 |
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| kerio | what's wrong with ssh? | 15:28 |
| kerio | :| | 15:28 |
| bince_NGT_TECH | lcuk:i mean an app that will allow acces to n900's camera,sending messages like that remotly via pc,so does that app does that :D | 15:28 |
| bince_NGT_TECH | lcuk:cos i donno ,havent tried that app thats y | 15:28 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: the dongle he's trying to fake is faking an usb hub... | 15:29 |
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| villager | and no, there's no host mode in that | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | bince_NGT_TECH, x11vnc lets you use the mouse (touchscreen) and keyboard on the N900 | 15:30 |
| kerio | yo dawg i heard u like peripherals so we put usb in yo usb so you can emulate while you provide | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | lame :P | 15:31 |
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| bince_NGT_TECH | MohammadAG51:yeah then its a varient of what i wanna do,but i taught abt givin the app a vedio feed of the n900 desktop to pc,just like teamviewer,but i guess this app does the same | 15:32 |
| bince_NGT_TECH | :D | 15:32 |
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| kerio | wtf is a vedio | 15:33 |
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| bince_NGT_TECH | video,happy :D | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: nice find, and a cute project this guy is starting there, but alas not related to hostmode at all | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ping | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: o/ | 15:51 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: what's new? | 15:55 |
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| MNZ | do we have any exact specs for the N900's speakers? Specifically a certain range of frequencies that it can handle. | 16:17 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: alas not | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, there? | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | aye | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be precise, this is about all we might get to know exactly about those: Impecance, dimensions | 16:21 |
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| MNZ | I've been doing a whole bunch of reading and I think I can get this IIR thing down to use it as an EQ. But the de-emphasis filter as a highpass filter for the speakers doesn't look promising, for several reasons | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: :-/ | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for deemphasis | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D for general EQ | 16:24 |
| MNZ | For one, we don't really know how low a frequency it can handle. I guess I could stay on the safe side and just remove way too much | 16:24 |
| MNZ | for another thing, it will be VERY tricky to distribute this once/if it can be done | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | an educated guess would be: cut -6dBm at 150Hz | 16:25 |
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| MNZ | noted. I'm just really scared with messing it up and blowing the speakers :S | 16:26 |
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| nid0 | tbh the speakers would have to be spectactularly shit to blow particularly quickly and at low powers, you should just be able to adjust where to filter via trial and error | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: 3rd thing: the Nokia PA speaker protection magic most probably includes some more beyond mere highpass. Seems they also do dynamic-limiting/compression | 16:27 |
| Shadikka | It would be interesting to get a more or less broken N900 just to mess with the speaker. | 16:27 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, ah, but AFAIK (so far) the de-emphasis filter will not be able to do something like that. If only we had the PA module sources | 16:28 |
| kerio | MNZ: try to mirror the nokia PA filter | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: still there's been reports Nokia found serious speaker busts on pre-MP devices, and rumour has it this was one of the reasons for rollout delay | 16:28 |
| kerio | or just... screw the speakers | 16:29 |
| kerio | limit the volume | 16:29 |
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| kerio | and add a warning | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask jacekowski to RE it | 16:29 |
| kerio | jacekowski: RE it | 16:29 |
| kerio | pls | 16:29 |
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| MNZ | also, about the distribution/packaging. This would be hell to package. Basically we'd need a package to override PA's policy files (I think) and depend on a certain kernel with the necessary driver patches for de-emp to kick in for speaker | 16:31 |
| MNZ | now just imagine anyone flashing a new kernel | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:31 |
| MNZ | how do you solve that :S ? | 16:31 |
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| MNZ | I guess nokia had their reasons to do it this way.... | 16:31 |
| kerio | MNZ: provide modules that depend on a particular version of the kernel | 16:31 |
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| kerio | and the policy overrider that depends on the module | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I doubt that detail | 16:32 |
| kerio | so, change kernel, module is removed, override is removed | 16:32 |
| MNZ | kerio, flashing a new kernel overrides the entire package system! | 16:32 |
| kerio | apt <3 | 16:32 |
| MNZ | dependencies are a moot point | 16:32 |
| kerio | oh, flashing | 16:32 |
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| kerio | "when flashing, reinstall the module or $BAD_STUFF will happen to your speakers" | 16:32 |
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| kerio | there | 16:32 |
| kerio | it's GPL software after all | 16:33 |
| kerio | no warranty, no fitness for a particular purpose | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | kerio: ? | 16:33 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: reverse-engineer the nokia PA speaker protection | 16:33 |
| kerio | so MNZ can do the sensible thing and implement it with the hardware equalizer | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: ask titan how he does that for power kernel | 16:33 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, is there a similar situation with the power kernel? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hotspot relies / depends on powerkernel | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | how do you know that there is a protection there? | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | and what do youknow about it | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just because we know | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | for example which file is it and stuff | 16:35 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, link jacekowski to the pdf by the nokia sound dude | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we know it does highpass and dynamic compression / limiting | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | do we know which module is it? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm PA-nokia? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: ?? | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | that's too obvious | 16:36 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, Jyri-Sarha-audio-miniconf_slides.pdf | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: think you already know that audio paper | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yepyep | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this one | 16:36 |
| kerio | Jyri Sarha sucks | 16:36 |
| kerio | :< | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: thought you know exactly what's the PA module name / file name of the binary | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | that's not a whitepaper | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | these are just slides | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | useless to be honest | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ack | 16:37 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I have a vague idea.... | 16:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 16:37 | |
| MNZ | if the slides are to be trusted, then actually the processing doesn't happen in the pa modules | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... and switches to IroN900 console | 16:38 |
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| kerio | MNZ: slides are not to be trusted | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | that | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-alsa-sink.so | 16:38 |
| MNZ | they need to be done in the block labeled 'Transducer Processing' on page 15/16 | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | or | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | hmm, that's all | 16:39 |
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| jacekowski | really | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | there is nothing else loaded | 16:39 |
| MNZ | jacekowski, play some music | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/libnokia-common.so | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-voice.so | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-music.so | 16:39 |
| MNZ | yes we already know about those, try apt-cache search pulseaudio-module-nokia | 16:40 |
| MNZ | there's record, music, voice, and common AFAIR | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usr/sbin/alsaped -p 4 -f /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped || usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority || usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer | 16:41 |
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| * luke-jr mutters at MobileHotSpot not quite working | 16:42 | |
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| MNZ | well, pactl has some hints | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pulseaudio --dump-modules -> module-nokia-music Nokia music module module-nokia-record Nokia record module module-nokia-voice Nokia voice module | 16:46 |
| MNZ | sink.music -> sink.voice.raw -> sink.hw0 | 16:47 |
| MNZ | everything else too dumps into sink.voice.raw | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pactl ?? o.O | 16:47 |
| MNZ | sink.voice.raw = Driver: voice-raw-sink.c | 16:47 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yeah | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | not found | 16:48 |
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| MNZ | apt-get install pulseaudio-utils | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnx | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought "darn, something missing here". 'clean' system ;-P | 16:49 |
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| MNZ | heh | 16:49 |
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| MNZ | So the magic is either in voice-raw-sink.c or module-alsa-sink-old.c | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | if life gets boring: pactl list | 16:53 |
| MNZ | it's what I'm already doing | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw this pretty much explains what all that policy enforcer config stuff is all about | 16:55 |
| MNZ | yup | 16:55 |
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| MNZ | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-voice.so: voice-raw-sink.c | 16:56 |
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| pupnik | what is your goal MNZ? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway meamonians, I got a RL too, believe it or not ;-P | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 16:56 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, good bye | 16:56 |
| MNZ | pupnik, I'm trying to find out where PA does it's highpass and/or dynamic compression | 16:57 |
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| MNZ | jacekowski, what information do you need if you were to attempt this? | 16:57 |
| pupnik | cool man, i am curious to learn | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | well, what do we want to know | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | that's a question | 16:58 |
| MNZ | what pulseaudio is doing to the audio output before it goes to the speaker. We know it applies a highpass filter, and DocScrutinizer says it probably does dynamic compression too | 16:59 |
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| MNZ | I just need more concrete information (numbers would be nice too!) | 16:59 |
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| jacekowski | well, ok | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | we have sources of module-alsa-sink | 17:00 |
| * mutoga ♪ Au café du canal (VOF..Peter p Père hé!! ♪ /!\ | 17:00 | |
| jacekowski | and other modules | 17:00 |
| pupnik | o | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | and we know that it's not in open source modules | 17:00 |
| MNZ | so far my best guess is since everything goes through voice-raw-sink.c it's a good chance something is happening there, though the name is quite weird | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | MNZ: isn't that open source/ | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 17:01 |
| MNZ | no, that's module-nokia-voice.so | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | so interesting modules would be | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | module-alsa-sink-volume ALSA Mixer Control from Nokia | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | module-alsa-sink-old ALSA Sink (modified by Nokia) | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | module-alsa-sink ALSA Sink | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | module-nokia-voice Nokia voice module | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | and possibly | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | module-nokia-music Nokia music module | 17:02 |
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| MNZ | I think they would have a central control point that switches on the filtering when output is going through the speaker | 17:03 |
| MNZ | that would be the alsa sinks or the voice module | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ps (as I'm not really here anymore): just playback music *loaud*, fire up htop and spot the process that eats all the CPU - then you probably found the right one. then see what file the program text is in | 17:04 |
| MNZ | ermm mafw-gst-renderer..... hrmm so it could be outside PA? | 17:05 |
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| jacekowski | could be | 17:06 |
| hwoarang | Hi. Is there an easy way to restore/delete the gtkrc for n900? | 17:06 |
| hwoarang | removing the gtkrc from /usr/share/themes/<theme> and reinstalling the theme doesnt work for me | 17:06 |
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| hwoarang | all the gtk apps look b0rked | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 896 pulse -6 -11 82036 4440 3136 S 24.0 1.8 0:15.41 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 26% CPU | 17:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: so... pulseaudio is responsible for the pulseaudio CPU hog? | 17:07 |
| kerio | I CAN'T BELIEVE IT | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, incredible, isn't it? | 17:08 |
| Venemo | hwoarang: reflash? | 17:08 |
| MNZ | actually on my system, 1199 666 user S < 6768 2.7 13.4 /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer | 17:08 |
| Venemo | ~flashing | 17:08 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: so please take over now, and tell those dudes here which files the process 896 on my system has opened :-P | 17:08 |
| kerio | you do it | 17:09 |
| kerio | (lsof?) | 17:09 |
| MNZ | PA is at about 8-10% while mafw-gst-renderer is at 15-17% cpu time | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I'm too busy answering your helful comments :-P | 17:09 |
| kerio | oh, sorry | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: then you need to play LOUDER XP | 17:09 |
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| Venemo | alterego: ping | 17:10 |
| kerio | WE LIKE IT LOUD! | 17:10 |
| MNZ | dammit. sorry, headphones on XD XD | 17:10 |
| Venemo | ~seen alterego | 17:10 |
| kerio | MNZ: you.. fail | 17:10 |
| infobot | alterego is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 3h 10m 18s, last said: 'Thanks for the advice, I think I'll hold off for a while and see what comes out over the next couple3 of months'. | 17:10 |
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| MNZ | ok now PA wins hands dow | 17:10 |
| MNZ | down* | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | so if i would have native alsa app | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | that doesn't go trough PA | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | i could melt speakers | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:10 |
| MNZ | yes | 17:10 |
| MNZ | or even easier, just change a few lines in the policy files | 17:11 |
| kerio | jacekowski: another addition for n900nuke | 17:11 |
| kerio | :D | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | re-o/ | 17:11 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: o7 | 17:12 |
| MNZ | I think if we profile the PA process the function that's doing the magic will stand out quite clearly | 17:12 |
| hwoarang | Venemo: really?reflash just to fix the gtkrc? | 17:13 |
| jacekowski | like you can profile stripped process | 17:13 |
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| MNZ | at least we'll know what module! | 17:13 |
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| MNZ | (right?) | 17:13 |
| jacekowski | no | 17:13 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 17:14 |
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| jacekowski | but there is no software to profile it anyways | 17:14 |
| MNZ | they are dynamically loaded so | 17:14 |
| hwoarang | where is the default/preinstalled(?) gtkrc file located in n900? | 17:14 |
| MNZ | there has to be some symbol info | 17:14 |
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| MNZ | hwoarang, /usr/share/themes/alpha | 17:16 |
| MNZ | that is, /usr/share/themes/alpha/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 17:17 |
| hwoarang | MNZ: so what is /etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc for | 17:17 |
| MNZ | hwoarang, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 28 17:03 /etc/hildon/theme -> /usr/share/themes/default | 17:18 |
| MNZ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Aug 28 16:59 /usr/share/themes/default -> /usr/share/themes/alpha | 17:18 |
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| hwoarang | so this .gtkrc is the only config file that n900 uses for gtk apps? | 17:19 |
| MNZ | unless you switch themes I guess, at which point the /usr/share/themes/default link will point to another theme | 17:20 |
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| MNZ | though I'm not sure | 17:20 |
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| hwoarang | default points to -> alpha | 17:20 |
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| * crashanddie has gitorious running locally, w00t | 17:21 | |
| hwoarang | be hildon/themes -> Blue-sky and I use blue sky. | 17:21 |
| hwoarang | *but | 17:21 |
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| hwoarang | MNZ: should default point to the theme I am actually using atm? | 17:21 |
| MNZ | hwoarang, frankly IDK. try to make it point to the current theme and see what happens :D | 17:22 |
| xnt14 | Whats the proper way to restart hildon-status-menu? there isn't a script in /etc/init.d | 17:22 |
| hwoarang | MNZ: will do | 17:23 |
| hwoarang | what a mess | 17:23 |
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| wazd_n900 | hello everyone | 17:26 |
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| xnt14 | wazd_n900: hi | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd_n900 | 17:26 |
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| jacekowski | anyways | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | anybody can recommend any decent pdf about PA | 17:35 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: PA=? | 17:38 |
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| jacekowski | pulseaudio | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | limiter_write_parameters in /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-music.so | 17:43 |
| tehowe | I'm resurrecting my Diablo N800 but the repositories are messed up. Is maemo.org the only way to get legacy SW now or is there a known working site to refresh the repository links? | 17:44 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: biggest module | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | 300k | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | EAP_WfirFiveBandsInt32_Process | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | oO? | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | what EAP has to do with sound | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever EAP is at all | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Enhanced Audio Profile? :D | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | hmm, maybe | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Or extended. | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | i was coming from Extensible Authentication Protocol direction | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Well lots of options. | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateVolumeSetting (Drc = dynamics reduction?) | 17:48 |
| obsidieth | peap ? | 17:48 |
| obsidieth | :p | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateCompressionCurveSet | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateCompanderRelease | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | compander - it can't get any clearer | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | andre__, ping? | 17:49 |
| andre__ | GAN900, pong | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | andre__, what email are you using for maemo.org stuff? | 17:50 |
| andre__ | aklapper at openismus | 17:50 |
| andre__ | com | 17:50 |
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| pyther | Hey | 17:50 |
| pyther | Does anyone use iheartradio? | 17:50 |
| andre__ | no. | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | that code is to fucked up for static analysis | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterAttack EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterRelease AP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterThreshold... | 17:51 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yes, following. I also found stuff about initializing fir/iir filters in the voice module | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | andre__, check your inbox in a minute. | 17:52 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, ah. thanks | 17:54 |
| MNZ | anyone know about the pulseaudio-modules-meego git repo? there are common, music, record and voice modules just like we have got | 17:55 |
| MNZ | any relation? | 17:55 |
| MNZ | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego | 17:55 |
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| pupnik | download em and compare | 17:59 |
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| MNZ | pupnik, compare how? the others are closed | 18:00 |
| pupnik | oh | 18:00 |
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| tehowe | When I attempt to install vncviewer from the maemo.org site, I get dependency warnings on my N800. I've deleted and refreshed the repositories but my device won't update various libraries anymore. Help?!? | 18:01 |
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| pupnik | #define MUSIC_HOOK_DYNAMIC_ENHANCE "x-meego.music.dynamic_enhance" | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | umgh | 18:03 |
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| pupnik | MNZ: you gotta check this out http://linuxplumbersconf.org/ocw/proposals/105 | 18:07 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxplumbersconf.org%2F2009%2Fslides%2FJyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf&rct=j&q=%22jyri%20sarha%22&ei=kWt-TIrVJsyQOIX7gIIE&usg=AFQjCNEc99w2NYyWN63GZHa7SQpYhier7A&sig2=INruLiuLZw6WPuG_WI6roQ&cad=rja | 18:07 |
| pupnik | hmm sorry | 18:07 |
| pupnik | http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf | 18:08 |
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| MNZ | pupnik, yup already have this :D | 18:08 |
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| MNZ | hrmm have we got any profiling options on the N900? | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | mnz, the left hand side profile is better | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | yes you should have ability to install a profile kernel for oprofile | 18:11 |
| lcuk | afaik you can use an oprofile enabled kernel | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | IOW the phone has APE Centric Audio Architecture | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | an anybody translate that? | 18:11 |
| pupnik | application engine centric | 18:11 |
| pupnik | the 'application engine' is the cpu-side of the phone | 18:12 |
| pupnik | is on the | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | i mean IOW | 18:12 |
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| jacekowski | so nobody knows what does IOW means | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | in other words | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | nobody knows what APE is | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | except pupnik ;) | 18:14 |
| pupnik | that was just my interpretation | 18:15 |
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| jacekowski | APE == application processing engine | 18:16 |
| pupnik | maybe "in other words" jacekowski | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, that would make sense | 18:16 |
| MNZ | oh, so APE basically means screw-the-hardware-we'll-just-use-pulseaudio ? | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | no | 18:18 |
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| MNZ | jacekowski, that's what I gather from Jyri's presentation. APE Centric == route everything through the audio application layer instead of routing some stuff usign hardware and some stuff through software | 18:19 |
| MNZ | look at page 4 and 5 of the pdf | 18:19 |
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| jacekowski | not really | 18:20 |
| jacekowski | it means that everything is going trough main cpu | 18:20 |
| jacekowski | before reaching audio output | 18:20 |
| MNZ | but... that's what I just said :D | 18:20 |
| MNZ | application layer == pulseaudio (which is on the CPU of course) | 18:21 |
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| jacekowski | they could have pushed it trough rapuyama | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama has enough processing power to handle it | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | and it would offload main cpu | 18:23 |
| kerio | jacekowski: again, that would be sensible :) | 18:23 |
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| MNZ | what's rapuyama? | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | modem | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | chip that in cheaper phones runs whole phone | 18:25 |
| jacekowski | ARM core + DSP + modem | 18:25 |
| jacekowski | in n900 reduced just to modem and interface to gps | 18:25 |
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| MNZ | uh! so we have another arm core on board! nice | 18:25 |
| kerio | the led controller is also a tiny cpu | 18:26 |
| jacekowski | http://img693.imageshack.us/i/rapuyamachipinfo.jpg/ | 18:27 |
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| kerio | we also have an external DSP | 18:28 |
| kerio | and an audio codec | 18:28 |
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| kerio | wait, those are the same | 18:28 |
| kerio | nvm | 18:28 |
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| kerio | the n900 is a hardware beast | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama is omap2 based processor | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | developed by TI with nokia | 18:29 |
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| kerio | sadly the software is slightly... inefficient | 18:29 |
| Khertan | kerio, hum | 18:29 |
| Khertan | it s really not so bad ... | 18:29 |
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| kerio | Khertan: PA uses a software equalizer while we have a perfectly-working hw one | 18:31 |
| Khertan | this is the problem when you divide software maker from hardware maker in different team | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | kerio, Khertan - isnt this more that PA is used on various systems and hardware EQ is not always available | 18:34 |
| Khertan | lcuk, also | 18:34 |
| smhar | greetings | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | kerio, do you want to make a patch to use the hw EQ on n900? | 18:35 |
| kerio | lcuk: MNZ is doing it :D | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | good! | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | where we have software eq? | 18:36 |
| lcuk | now Khertan having different teams isnt a problem :P | 18:36 |
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| jacekowski | dsp? | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | idk | 18:36 |
| Khertan | idk ? | 18:36 |
| MNZ | lcuk, so far I've got the 3-D effect working (added as an alsa control) and I have a basic idea of how to get the EQ working. Then there's the filtering for the speaker protection | 18:36 |
| lcuk | i don't know | 18:36 |
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| pupnik | jacekowski: pulseaudio - at least on some sinks | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | and where is hardware eq? | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | and is it working | 18:37 |
| pupnik | is available to alsa | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | or is it like smartreflex | 18:37 |
| MNZ | jacekowski, hardware eq needs to be activated on the TLV320AIC34 codec chip | 18:37 |
| pupnik | i believe you can get to it with alsamixer $device MNZ | 18:38 |
| pupnik | after running pasuspender | 18:38 |
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| MNZ | pupnik, yes, right after you write the alsa code :D | 18:38 |
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| MNZ | like I said, I have already written the code for the 3-D effect control | 18:38 |
| MNZ | and for the record, it's 'alsamixer -D real' | 18:38 |
| pupnik | i saw EQ in alsamixer, maybe it wasn't functional | 18:38 |
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| MNZ | pupnik, there are no equalizer controls, just a lot of controls for routing and volumes | 18:39 |
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| pupnik | i saw an alsa control for HPF | 18:41 |
| MNZ | pupnik, yeah, that's for the HPF on the ADC. It's for mic input filtering | 18:41 |
| pupnik | ah ty | 18:42 |
| Khertan | hum ... someone know if there is a way to reactive shorcut for menu in maemo qt ? | 18:42 |
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| slonopotamus | _suddenly_ skype no longer connects on n900 | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: interesting question | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually qt OUGHT support kbd shortcuts also on N900. Seems since maemo5 all the fingerfriendliness killed kbd user interface somewhat | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a basic fault | 19:11 |
| Khertan | keyboard shortcut still work on qaction on toolbar | 19:12 |
| Khertan | maybe i should put invisible qaction on this toolbar :) | 19:12 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: looking at meego netbook UX there are no kbd shortcuts and I started a fight in the forums about it as someone was thinking I want to kill all the nice and shiny clickable icons and have kbd shortcuts instead | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: what a silly debate based on a silly misconception | 19:19 |
| chem|st | people not being able to use a kbd anymore is a pain, the answer on my question about how userfriendly it is I got a link to a touchpanel upgrade posted | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | Khertan: you can use simple QShortcut | 19:21 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes, the shortcuts in maemo are just dumb, ctrl-shift-x for terminal... or just ctrl-shift-* is a pain | 19:21 |
| Venemo | Khertan: | 19:21 |
| Venemo | QShortcut *saveShortcut = new QShortcut(QKeySequence("Ctrl+S"), this); | 19:21 |
| Venemo | connect(saveShortcut, SIGNAL(activated()), this, SLOT(saveText())); | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | right | 19:21 |
| chem|st | implementation of a ctrl-fn-* shortcut env. would be nice for n900 | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-Fn as well as Fn-shift are nice. ctrl-shift I'd use for things like ctrl-shift-doubleclick_BS to selfdestruct device | 19:22 |
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| chem|st | ctrl-shift-power-enter for sequenced selfdestruction with nokia'ed mission impossible trailer up front | 19:24 |
| chem|st | I tried to remap fn-shift stuff but id never took effect... | 19:24 |
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| chem|st | as I'd like to have a proper enter within fn-shift-enter instead of KP_Enter | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs kernel driver / kbd driver patches I think. Was pondering to look into that several times now | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g signalling qualifier locked state via indicator LED would be a really awesome feature | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | green for shift lock, red for Fn lock | 19:26 |
| chem|st | mmh yeah bright purple indication for alt lock | 19:27 |
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| chem|st | something like that | 19:27 |
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| kerio | chem|st: ooh, i like that | 19:27 |
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| kerio | so far i only have shift+fn for... asdfghà .[left][right]zxcvbnm[backspace]èò | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, you ever seen the ind LED doing anything meaningful during kbd slide open and you typing? | 19:28 |
| chem|st | kerio: you get a kbd hack working and I will implement the bright purple flashing on alt! | 19:28 |
| kerio | (working) | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no -> no conflicts whatsoever on lock indication | 19:28 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: there is a dbus msg when you lock it, is there one for release? | 19:29 |
| kerio | chem|st: i remapped half of my keyboard :) | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | what, the qual keys? | 19:29 |
| chem|st | yes | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no idea really, gues no though | 19:30 |
| Venemo | kerio: me too | 19:30 |
| Venemo | kerio: added öüóőúéáű :) | 19:30 |
| chem|st | kerio: how do I remap my fn-enter? | 19:30 |
| kerio | chem|st: dunno | 19:30 |
| kerio | hold on | 19:30 |
| chem|st | and the fn-shift stuff needs another lvl | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: it's english-speaking channel :P | 19:31 |
| chem|st | as ! with fn is ! with fn-shift | 19:31 |
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| kerio | chem|st: that's because they're the same | 19:31 |
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| kerio | but they're defined separately | 19:31 |
| kerio | so you can set caps lock and still have working symbols | 19:32 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: I know... | 19:32 |
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| Venemo | slonopotamus: anyways, I added the extra characters of my native language | 19:32 |
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| chem|st | kerio: yes the keymap settings show something like [öÖ!!] for me | 19:32 |
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| chem|st | but I want üÜß& and not üÜßß | 19:33 |
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| kerio | chem|st: you can do it | 19:34 |
| kerio | but some fn+shift+key combinations don't work | 19:34 |
| kerio | well, they work, but they map to two key combinations | 19:34 |
| kerio | shift+fn+z/x is the same | 19:34 |
| kerio | shift+fn+j/k is the same | 19:35 |
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| kerio | i suggest only setting one | 19:35 |
| kerio | and removing the other | 19:35 |
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| chem|st | nice pressing shift-fn-x gives two chars... | 19:36 |
| kerio | yup | 19:36 |
| kerio | i disabled shift+fn+z iirc | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see my comment there: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard | 19:39 |
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| * MNZ waters lcuk | 19:41 | |
| MNZ | this keeps happening | 19:42 |
| kerio | it's weird that half of the discussions here are basically constant nokia-bashing | 19:42 |
| kerio | and yet we all agree the n900 is a wonderful piece of hardware | 19:42 |
| MNZ | kerio, it's either that or lcuk wilting or RST38h mooing | 19:42 |
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| MNZ | this channel is the shit | 19:42 |
| kerio | µ! | 19:42 |
| lcuk | most people dont do nokia bashing | 19:42 |
| lcuk | MNZ, i have just reached time of day when i need nourishment | 19:43 |
| chem|st | MNZ: watch it! | 19:43 |
| lcuk | so what should we discuss mnz? | 19:43 |
| * lcuk is all up for new topics | 19:43 | |
| * lcuk was playing n-speed last night | 19:43 | |
| kerio | the misuse of the hardware codec by nokia | 19:43 |
| MNZ | I wasn't suggesting changing topics :D I like it as it is | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | i cant find a mod sample extractor tho | 19:44 |
| lcuk | (amiga music mods) | 19:44 |
| lcuk | n-speed has a sample set and uses tracker mods for its music | 19:44 |
| lcuk | and I am *sure* they are taken from the amiga game lotus esprit turbo challenge | 19:45 |
| lcuk | and remized | 19:45 |
| lcuk | remixed | 19:45 |
| lcuk | i want to see if the "you will not copy this game" sample remains | 19:45 |
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| lcuk | haha i just realised the first map is driving around an n-gage shaped track :D | 19:46 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: load the mod into any tracker and you can see the sample list | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | i havent got any that can load it | 19:51 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | hi, where can I find the n900 kernel? | 19:52 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'd like to read the SSI speech driver | 19:52 |
| MNZ | GNUtoo|laptop, in scratchbox: apt-get source kernel | 19:53 |
| MNZ | though not sure if that driver is open source | 19:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok but I've no n900 yet | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 19:53 |
| MNZ | GNUtoo|laptop, you don't need an n900 | 19:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'm looking which next-phone to buy, the match is between n900 and palm pre | 19:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 19:53 |
| MNZ | don't get me wrong. You WANT an N900, you just don't necessarily need it for development :D | 19:54 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | lol | 19:54 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | anyway | 19:54 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I need to find the kernel sources to decide | 19:54 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | because I'm an embedded developper | 19:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I've commit access to openembedded | 19:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I know a bit the kenrel | 19:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | so why not using the n900 for development? | 19:55 |
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| MNZ | GNUtoo|laptop, you'll want to start here http://maemo.org/development/ | 19:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok thanks, anyway I would do system development...not writing an app | 19:56 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | I'm looking now | 19:56 |
| MNZ | look at the kernel part | 19:56 |
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| MNZ | and how to set up the development environment (scratchbox) | 19:56 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 19:57 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | I've found the gitorious website | 19:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | Khertan, ping | 20:01 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | nice I found it | 20:05 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | thanks a lot | 20:05 |
| kerio | hmm | 20:06 |
| kerio | i'm watching the apple special event | 20:06 |
| kerio | am i gay for steve jobs? | 20:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | did it just start? | 20:06 |
| kerio | 6 minutes | 20:06 |
| kerio | yup | 20:06 |
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| kerio | OMG HDR PHOTOS | 20:10 |
| kerio | oh wait, fcamera does that already | 20:10 |
| bilboed | :) | 20:10 |
| kerio | why does steve jobs have pics of hot boys on his iphone | 20:10 |
| bilboed | maybe they'll announce RAW photos in sprint | 20:11 |
| bilboed | *spring | 20:11 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: holy crap, project sword looks good | 20:13 |
| kerio | :o bumpmapping | 20:13 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, pong | 20:14 |
| Khertan | oh an apple special event ? on wednesday ? | 20:15 |
| kerio | i only noticed some *minor* frame drops | 20:15 |
| kerio | it's really cool | 20:15 |
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| kerio | does the n900 have printing? :( | 20:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, not directly | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install lpd | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:19 |
| RST38h | So, what has Steve Jobs invented now? | 20:19 |
| wolf^ | "stream photos over wifi"? :> | 20:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'Detect reciprocating movement, and display porn' ? | 20:20 |
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| kerio | RST38h: cool interface to print | 20:20 |
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| timoph | streaming photos? wtf | 20:21 |
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| kerio | oh yeah, you can stream multimedia shit to iphones/ipods/ipads now | 20:21 |
| kerio | meh | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | timoph, it's like streaming videos, but for photos | 20:21 |
| timoph | :) | 20:21 |
| kerio | it's stupid | 20:21 |
| jpinxN900 | why is it so slow to update? | 20:21 |
| kerio | who has pr0n saved anyway | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski apparently | 20:22 |
| timoph | must be magical | 20:22 |
| jpinxN900 | is this normal? | 20:22 |
| Khertan | High Dynamic Range Photos: <<<<< mouarf !!!! aahhahaha | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:22 |
| Khertan | on an iphone | 20:22 |
| Khertan | huhu | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | well, no | 20:22 |
| kerio | Khertan: it does what fcamera does | 20:22 |
| kerio | three photos | 20:22 |
| Khertan | kerio, yep exactly | 20:22 |
| kerio | although fcamera doesn't merge them :[ | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | hdrcapture does | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think | 20:23 |
| * RST38h eeks | 20:23 | |
| Khertan | Le nouvel AirTunes, pour lire Audio / Vidéo / Photos sur tous les Mac et périphériques. <<< wahou steve jobs discovers upnp | 20:23 |
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| * RST38h would still like to have HDR as a function of the stock Maemo camera app | 20:23 | |
| Khertan | hdrcapture merge them | 20:23 |
| kerio | Khertan: ooh | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | HDR and superresolution | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | am I muted or something :P | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes MohammadAG51. | 20:24 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: yup | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | thanks :p | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | new iPod shuffle (with buttons): $49 | 20:24 |
| wolf^ | and without buttons? | 20:24 |
| * RST38h unmutes MohammadAG51 | 20:24 | |
| kerio | wolf^: YOU NEED BUTTONS | 20:24 |
| kerio | YOU LOVE BUTTONS | 20:24 |
| RST38h | crash: So, has He invented buttons now? | 20:24 |
| RST38h | We He have the iPhone with Buttons too? | 20:24 |
| wolf^ | iphone has one button, you don't need more | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: nope, he said "we noticed people missed the buttons, so we listened and put buttons back" | 20:25 |
| kerio | but the new ipod nano has no buttons | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | but is has multitouch | 20:25 |
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| kerio | new ipod nano with a tiny multitouch | 20:25 |
| kerio | it was known | 20:26 |
| kerio | it's about as big as the shuffle | 20:26 |
| kerio | wtf | 20:26 |
| kerio | why would one buy the shuffle | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | cheaper | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Presumably. | 20:26 |
| kerio | in other news, welcome to #apple | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I love my latest apple product. | 20:26 |
| Khertan | Wolf^ magical pad have any button ... so why a phone need one ? | 20:26 |
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| kerio | what's your latest apple product? | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Take two apples, chop roughly, removing the core. Add maybe 40g of sugar, and microwave for 3 minutes. Lovely with pork. | 20:27 |
| kerio | nice | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I call it iSauce. | 20:27 |
| mortini | hah. | 20:27 |
| kerio | inb4 no ipod classic | 20:28 |
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| kerio | 32gb of music should be enough for everyone | 20:28 |
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| Khertan | kerio, huM ... 32gb isn't enough | 20:28 |
| kerio | Khertan: i know | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | 46GBs used here | 20:29 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 20:29 |
| kerio | OMG THE WIGGLE | 20:29 |
| kerio | IT'S SO INNOVATIVE | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | err? wiggle? | 20:29 |
| kerio | to move icons | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, lol | 20:29 |
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| kerio | well, you can rotate the screen | 20:30 |
| kerio | that's one thing my n900 can't do | 20:30 |
| kerio | :( | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | well, hate it or love it, they're being very consistent throughout their product line, and the scrolling is 20 times smoother than anything we have on the n900 | 20:30 |
| RST38h | OMG He is announcing "Bugs fixed" at the top of his first iOS 4.1 slide | 20:30 |
| * RST38h dreams of the top Maemo cheese doing the same | 20:30 | |
| wolf^ | "new bugs added" | 20:30 |
| kerio | crashanddie: they also don't have a keyboard :< | 20:30 |
| _trine | is there an app that if you lost your phone you could ring it and it would tell you its position using GPS | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | _trine: yes | 20:31 |
| kerio | _trine: Find My Iphone | 20:31 |
| kerio | pay a mobileme subscription | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | kerio: it's not a phone, there's no point in having a keyboard on a music player | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not a phone | 20:31 |
| kerio | crashanddie: the ipod touch is like a tablet | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | it has the word phone in it | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it's not a phone | 20:31 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: the ipod nano | 20:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | that's an iphone without the phone part | 20:32 |
| kerio | omg they outsold nintendo | 20:32 |
| Khertan | oh ... i simply ssh to my n900 and launch the media player with a music from amon amarth ... so if i left it in the garage ... i can hear it | 20:32 |
| kerio | except that they have crappy games | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I just type 'beep' and it plays the fanfare. | 20:32 |
| kerio | inb4 buttons | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Not hardcore enough | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Real Hardcore Geeks (tm) listen their music in XTerm, over SSH | 20:33 |
| kerio | omg camera | 20:33 |
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| kerio | RST38h: they use a CRT monitor to send their music to a nearby AM radio | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 20:33 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: i don't like the sound of that | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | -sh: ./tar: Stale NFS file handle | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf? | 20:34 |
| Khertan | RST38h, i use ssh and mafw dbus command ... i'm a dev ... not a geek | 20:34 |
| kerio | Khertan: accept it | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | heh | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Your N900 has grown nfs | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf is stale nfs file handle? | 20:34 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: i think it's a file handle over nfs that's stale | 20:35 |
| RST38h | means the directory . has ceased to exist | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | uhuh... | 20:35 |
| kerio | 64gb | 20:35 |
| kerio | they're eliminating the ipod classic :( | 20:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | and how do i fsck it? | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | opt's corrupt | 20:36 |
| kerio | you know, the iWatch is cool | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | nice | 20:36 |
| kerio | but there's no wifi :( | 20:36 |
| MNZ | kerio, why are you sad? | 20:36 |
| kerio | i decided that my next watch will have NTP support | 20:37 |
| lcuk | you know, in the #apple channel they are discussing the n900 now | 20:37 |
| MNZ | joining! | 20:37 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 20:37 | |
| kerio | lcuk: really? :o | 20:37 |
| lcuk | they should be | 20:37 |
| kerio | you're lying :( | 20:37 |
| MNZ | hahahahaha | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | i'm not | 20:37 |
| lcuk | go in and ask | 20:37 |
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| Khertan | lcuk, you lie | 20:38 |
| lcuk | have you asked them? | 20:38 |
| MNZ | no | 20:38 |
| MNZ | don't start a flame war :D | 20:38 |
| Mousey | lies | 20:38 |
| MNZ | on second thought | 20:38 |
| MNZ | lets start a flame war | 20:38 |
| kerio | MNZ: less chat more hw eq | 20:38 |
| * MNZ goes back to DSP literature :( | 20:39 | |
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| kerio | omg no cd | 20:39 |
| MNZ | ooh I think I'm gonna stay #apple for gems like these | 20:40 |
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| MNZ | <sketchstudios> is the ipod nano 3rd gen retina dsplay lol | 20:40 |
| pupnik | can i piggyback cells onto my notebook power-pack? | 20:40 |
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| pupnik | it would be fun to make a battery pack that covers the entire base | 20:41 |
| Khertan | i was a fan of apple os in the past... but the mentality change since the switch to the intel cpu | 20:41 |
| lcuk | any decent games come out recently | 20:42 |
| Khertan | ping ... Lol ... the worst name to choose for a social network | 20:43 |
| kerio | September 1st 2010: Apple invents last.fm | 20:43 |
| MNZ | * MiserySoft (~Lee@nat66.mia.three.co.uk) has joined ##apple | 20:43 |
| Khertan | When Facebook and Twitter meet iTunes. <<< hum ... a other failed ? | 20:44 |
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| Khertan | if they integrate twitter i hope they use oauth :) | 20:44 |
| Khertan | as basic auth was cut today on twitter :) | 20:45 |
| * Jaffa noticed | 20:45 | |
| MNZ | nah they'll probably invent a new mechanism and force twitter to adapt it | 20:45 |
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| Jaffa | A pain for the MWKN checker script | 20:45 |
| * lcuk goes and plays with pretty stuff | 20:45 | |
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| Khertan | Jaffa, is it in python ? | 20:50 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa, as if it s the case i can help you | 20:51 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Fancy modifying scripts/check-twitter.pl and scripts/announce-issue.pl under mwkn.garage.maemo.org to use OAuth? | 20:51 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: Perl. Hermes is Python. | 20:53 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: That needs doing too | 20:53 |
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| Khertan | ouch ... perl i really can't help you ;) | 20:53 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: But Herme has OAuth code for LinkedcIn already, so that should be straightforward | 20:54 |
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| crashanddie | is the stream cutting out for anyone else? | 21:01 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Here? | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: dunno | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: what happened, don't it work no more? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: temporarily | 21:08 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:18 |
| Arkenoi | something is wrong with either google or nuevasync | 21:18 |
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| * RST38h suspects nuevasync | 21:19 | |
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| crashanddie | damnit, wozniac has become a fat fuck | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol my N900 is fucked up | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | all letter shows as squares | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | icons in menu gone | 21:25 |
| kthomas_vh_ | hey! what's with dissing the Woz? | 21:25 |
| kthomas_vh_ | :) | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | busybox is fucked up too | 21:25 |
| * kthomas_vh_ looks at his own belly | 21:25 | |
| kerio | the woz is always the woz | 21:29 |
| kerio | even if it has three times the mass required for a single skinny nerd | 21:30 |
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| kthomas_vh_ | ha! | 21:30 |
| kthomas_vh_ | skinny nerds, alas, tend to grow into fat nerds | 21:30 |
| kthomas_vh_ | and skinny super-nerds... | 21:30 |
| Venemo | ~seen lcuk | 21:31 |
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| infobot | lcuk is currently on #maemo (2d 8h 51m 47s) #meego (2d 8h 51m 47s). Has said a total of 462 messages. Is idling for 48m 37s, last said: 'any decent games come out recently'. | 21:31 |
| kerio | kthomas_vh_: huh? | 21:31 |
| kerio | fat nerds are fat nerds | 21:31 |
| kerio | skinny nerds are skinny nerds | 21:31 |
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| * kthomas_vh_ refers kerio to The Hacker's Diet | 21:32 | |
| kerio | yeah but truly skinny nerds stay skinny | 21:32 |
| kerio | the lucky bastards | 21:32 |
| kerio | :< | 21:32 |
| kthomas_vh_ | :< | 21:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: starcraft 2 | 21:32 |
| kerio | lcuk: unnethack | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | kerio, not as fun as it sounds. | 21:33 |
| kerio | unnethack? | 21:33 |
| kerio | it is | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | kerio, staying skinny. :P | 21:34 |
| kerio | oh | 21:34 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, that game is evil. | 21:34 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: do you have it? | 21:35 |
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| * GAN900 was having flashbacks to middle school playing yesterday. | 21:35 | |
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| GAN900 | I dunno how many all-nighters we pulled between StarCraft and Smash Bros. | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, yes. | 21:35 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: shame we can't play together :( | 21:36 |
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| crashanddie | blizzard killed international gaming :( | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going for food | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | Howso? | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: the servers are limited between continents | 21:36 |
| kerio | GAN900: no LAN | 21:37 |
| * MohammadAG doubts anyone can do this kind of damage to the N900's fs, http://i53.tinypic.com/155tbpt.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/m73mfn.jpg | 21:37 | |
| kerio | and separation between servers | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: remember how when subscribing it asked for your continent? | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | Wait, what? | 21:37 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: pff | 21:37 |
| kerio | i can delete fonts too | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | You can't play internationally AT ALL? | 21:37 |
| kerio | GAN900: nope | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, I didn't delete fonts | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | they went away with the reboot | 21:37 |
| kerio | blizzard knows what's best for you! | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | s/the/a/ | 21:37 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: ay went away with the reboot | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: well, Europe can play with other europeans, but the french can't play with US | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | failbot | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | They messed up Custom Games, too. | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, icons died too | 21:38 |
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| kerio | US/Europe/Asia | 21:38 |
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| GAN900 | Well, this'll be the last of my money Blizzard gets. | 21:42 |
| th3_4zarado | ... | 21:42 |
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| kerio | sure | 21:43 |
| kerio | except when they make another ridiculously awesome game | 21:44 |
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| GAN900 | kerio, I forsee that becoming less and less likely. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you just lost opt | 21:46 |
| kerio | opt... is gone | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 21:46 |
| kerio | you bastard! | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | opt, OPT, come back sweetie | 21:46 |
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| GAN900 | Making the most powerful mod engine ever then making it useless by monetizing every tiny thing is awesome. | 21:47 |
| * MohammadAG cries | 21:47 | |
| GAN900 | Half the reason SC was played for 12 years were the custom maps. | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm, I think I lost /home | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Never underestimate corpse avarice | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | eMMC reflash it is | 21:47 |
| MNZ | you gotta FLASH IT UP! | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | wasn't there some sed hack to repartition the eMMC? | 21:48 |
| lcuk | hm | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | backing up MyDocs will take some time :S | 21:48 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: lol | 21:48 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, technically just flashing emmc on its own won't help | 21:48 |
| kerio | yeah, you need to reflash anything | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'm flashing both lcuk | 21:49 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, starcraft is still played isnt it | 21:49 |
| * kerio hugs MohammadAG and tells him it's going to be alright | 21:49 | |
| MohammadAG | DCIM/ is huge | 21:49 |
| smhar | it seems I am getting close to a limit, I tried updating a package and got this error: not enough space in application install memory | 21:49 |
| smhar | but in conky, I still have 41.75mb free in rootfs, 151.16 in home and more than 6gb in mydocs | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, it should be backed up anyway :P | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | smhar, then I guess you hit the limit | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | haven't backed up MyDocs in ages | 21:50 |
| GAN900 | (and the fact that many people are Korean) | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if my eMMC is broken | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | there is a minimum size due to the nature of rootfs being compressed | 21:51 |
| * ShadowJK backed up /home/* yesterday, including MyDocs | 21:51 | |
| ShadowJK | rsync ftw | 21:51 |
| smhar | is this a hard limit or is there a way to change it? | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, except when /home is corrupt | 21:51 |
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| ShadowJK | that happened once :) | 21:51 |
| * ShadowJK formatted it and restored from backup | 21:52 | |
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| MohammadAG | ls: opt/lybniz: Input/output error | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ls: opt/secretexit: Input/output error | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ls: opt/vagalume: Stale NFS file handle | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ls: opt/cell-modem-ui: Stale NFS file handle | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ls: opt/nhouse: Input/output error | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | ls: opt/supertux: Input/output error | 21:52 |
| MNZ | MohammadAG, what happens if you remount opt? | 21:53 |
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| ShadowJK | did you run fsck on it? | 21:53 |
| secyritas | sounds like a healthy N900 | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, how? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's always mounted | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | good, don't do it, it makes it worse | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:54 |
| MNZ | the Stale NFS file handle thing is very weird | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | I did it from rc.sysinit iirc, before it was mounted | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | stale NFS hande == you're busted. Reflash | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | 20:52 < MohammadAG> ls: opt/cell-modem-ui: Stale NFS file handle | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | nfs? | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | that's what it says, not me | 21:54 |
| MNZ | yeah, where does nfs come in here? | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | it happened on my ext4 PC once | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | had to format | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | well, ext4 is like a /dev/null with delayed trigger | 21:55 |
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| MohammadAG | grr, laptop's battery is low | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | it keeps showing me an error message in the yellow banner | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's not from telepathy, went offline | 21:56 |
| ShadowJK | unexpected poweroff/reset with harddrive filesystem on sd/mmc is pretty bad :( | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything in inodes looking sufficiently weird to FS handler is considered a stale NFS handle | 21:56 |
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| kerio | by the way, guy with explosives threatening the discovery channel HQ | 21:56 |
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| ShadowJK | tomtom did extensive testing on the topic, iirc | 21:56 |
| kerio | www.tmz.com is streaming fox news | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: every mainstream distro uses ext4 by default now | 21:56 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, even gentoo?! | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | and eventually they settled on ext2 mounted sync, in an image file on vfat.. or the other way around, with vfat being -o sync | 21:57 |
| kerio | brtfs is where it's at | 21:57 |
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| MNZ | hahahaa I read that as britfs for a second | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | export slicedbreak=ext3 | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think any fs can deal with powerloss on sd/mmc :/ | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG | I thought ext4 was the next best thing after $slicedbread | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: Gentoo has no default | 21:59 |
| kerio | sliced bread sucks | 21:59 |
| kerio | you guys outside of Italy really fail at eating | 21:59 |
| cehteh | Shadikka: log structured filesystems should be pretty safe in that regard, with the cost of excessive writes | 21:59 |
| MNZ | I prefer pita bread personally | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, it has recomendations in handbook | 21:59 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 is the extra booster rockets bolted on to ext3 to keep the ship going until btrfs stops exploding and imploding violently | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | MNZ, pain in the ass bread? | 21:59 |
| cehteh | err ShadowJK | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | never heard of that | 21:59 |
| MNZ | :| | 21:59 |
| MNZ | ok, it does sound dirty | 22:00 |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, I usually use ext4-minus-journal for SSD now | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | what, that's what pita means :P | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | ~wtf pita | 22:00 |
| infobot | PITA: pain in the ass | 22:00 |
| kerio | huh? | 22:00 |
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| kerio | journals are good, aren't they | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | not on a flash based disk | 22:00 |
| MNZ | I know. It also means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pita though | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, yeah I'm using nilfs2 on my sheevaplug (usb flash disk as storage) | 22:00 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: the no-journal doesnt give you anything | 22:00 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: what sheevaplug? | 22:00 |
| kerio | old one or new one? | 22:00 |
| cehteh | Shadikka: yes my nilfs tests are very promising also on spinning disks | 22:00 |
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| ShadowJK | the first one | 22:01 |
| cehteh | arrgs | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: it makes it more reliable on failure | 22:01 |
| kerio | i currently have ubuntu on a SD with ext3 :| | 22:01 |
| cehteh | etab | 22:01 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: how that? | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | MNZ, oh, never knew it was called pita | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: with-journal causes the filesystem driver to jump to a bunch of false conclusions | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | without-journal means it will get checked properly | 22:01 |
| MNZ | MohammadAG, haven't you ever seen arab stereotype videos :O ? | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | Well on proper sata connected ssd you het ncq and stuff so the fs knows what data has been written, and can enforce data ordering.. | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | wtf 6.7G/home/mohammad/MyDocs.tar.gz | 22:02 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: does it fake barriers or what? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | how is it 6.7GBs when the drive is almost full | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | on sd/mmc you just lose random 128k chunks | 22:02 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: … | 22:02 |
| kerio | i'm also using a bigass 1tb external drive | 22:02 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, 22GBs of chunks? | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, lost chains | 22:03 |
| kerio | read/write on the SD happens rarely | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | oh god | 22:03 |
| ShadowJK | it happens all the time on n900 :D | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | or tar has the best compression I've seen in my life | 22:03 |
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| MNZ | you mean gz | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | tar | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | 21GBs, normal cp | 22:03 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: you really fucked up your eMMC | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | yes, tar.gz | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: tar has no compression | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | yes yes, my bad | 22:03 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: i'd use ddrecover | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: bz2 is better | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, lzma is better than all 3 | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: and lzma is better than bz2 | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | it's slower | 22:04 |
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| cehteh | MohammadAG: squashfs does it awesomly better ... # | 22:04 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG, 22 gigs of /dev/zero? | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 22:04 |
| kerio | jacekowski: i assume he's using socat to transfer the tar directly to another computer | 22:04 |
| luke-jr | lzma is impractical on little RAM | 22:04 |
| cehteh | if only squashfs had a stable format :P | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | xz XD | 22:04 |
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| kerio | with bzip or lzma, cpu/ram could become the bottleneck | 22:04 |
| kerio | as opposed to network | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | lzma is awesome | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | on an i5 | 22:04 |
| kerio | heh | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | on an N900... | 22:04 |
| kerio | tar.lz? | 22:04 |
| cehteh | its much more efficient than tar cpu, speed and space wise | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | I use pbzip2 on my Q9550 | 22:05 |
| kerio | or tar.lzma? | 22:05 |
| smhar | is this a hard limit or is there a way to change it? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | tar.lzma | 22:05 |
| cehteh | for short time backups and not archiving data thats really a choice | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | 30 minutes left, g_nokia is slow :P | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | or was it g_file_storage | 22:05 |
| * ShadowJK wishes a 2.83 GHz quad core2 cpu was fast enough to not slow down on adobe flash ;p | 22:05 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | plugin-container raped my old laptop | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | used to max out the poor 1.7GHz single core centrino | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | sometimes it goes into a crash frenzy too | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | it used to crash my compiz | 22:06 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | i was trying to view a web page entirely in flash, like 9 flash things. One for menu, one for secondary menu, one for each paragraph of content | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | just got a text message, guess what, I can't read it | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop crashed xD | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | I was clicking refresh repeatedly because 7/9 of those would crash flash player | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | except not always the same 7 | 22:07 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: lol | 22:08 |
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| ShadowJK | each refresh showed another small random piece of the page :| | 22:09 |
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| ShadowJK | it took ages to navigate | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | stupid flash :/ | 22:09 |
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| smhar | ok, I am using claws-mail as my email client in N900 -for the lack of an an alternative- and it is not very bad -compared to Modest-, but it seems it stores its files in the main /home which is eating valuable space, can I make it store them in MyDocs? | 22:09 |
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| Shadikka | If nothing else, symlink the folder to MyDocs | 22:10 |
| kerio | symlink the DAMMIT Shadikka | 22:10 |
| Shadikka | :> | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | this time autocomplete did not highlight the wrong shad* | 22:10 |
| smhar | I think symlinking a lot of folders -for different programs is in order | 22:11 |
| smhar | but why did Nokia decide to make MyDocs Fat32 fs? | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | Windows | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | PS3 | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 22:12 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast claws on maemo4 was fine with the email folders/cache on vfat | 22:12 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, are there still people using those? :-) | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | smhar, what's wrong with PS3s? | 22:13 |
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| smhar | never had it, so not sure | 22:13 |
| kerio | yay more nokiabashing | 22:13 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, I meant people using windows :-0 | 22:13 |
| kerio | the ps3 is not that bad | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | oh, I don't :P | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | it was hacked, more GPU power for us | 22:14 |
| kerio | except that sony customers apparently like to get raped in the ass on a regular basis | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | epic | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~$ hildon-desktop | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | Segmentation fault | 22:44 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: lol | 22:45 |
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| mikki-kun | that's just awesome :o | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, you win | 22:52 |
| lcuk | did you reformat | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG | 99% eMMC download | 22:53 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: great job | 22:54 |
| kerio | :D | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Downloads$ strings RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | grep 2048 | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | size = 2048; | 22:55 |
| kerio | did you randomly look for "2048" in the emmc image? | 22:55 |
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| MohammadAG | 2GBs = 2048 | 22:56 |
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| MohammadAG | sed -i filename s/2048/3072/g? | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | idk sed | 22:57 |
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| * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer | 22:59 | |
| MNZ | MohammadAG, that would change all instances of 2048 though, is there only one? | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | the file is interesting | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | partition { | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | size = 768; | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | fs_type = "swap"; | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | you can add partitions yourself | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | partition { | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | size = 2048; | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | fs_type = "ext3"; | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | prefix = "home"; | 23:00 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: what caused the segfault? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | idk | 23:01 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: k | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | add a second swap, so you can switch between them every now and then, defragmenting swap space | 23:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hopes this wouldn't crash the evil out of maemo, due to changed partiton numbering | 23:06 | |
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| kerio | add more swap | 23:07 |
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| kerio | add 6gb of swap | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BS, even 768 are way too much | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do I change 2048 to 3072? | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sed -e 's/2048/3999/' filename | 23:09 |
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| kerio | 3999? | 23:10 |
| steinex | if it's a binary, it will most probably corrupt it :) | 23:10 |
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| MNZ | no, same number of bytes, no harm done | 23:10 |
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| crashanddie | lol, MNZ 2048 bytes isn't the same as 3999 bytes!!! | 23:12 |
| crashanddie | it's like nearly double | 23:12 |
| MNZ | 2048 = 4 bytes | 23:12 |
| MNZ | 3999 = 4 bytes | 23:12 |
| MNZ | -__- | 23:12 |
| MNZ | I mean '2048' = 4 bytes | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | and the worst part is that he thinks I'm serious :) | 23:13 |
| MNZ | damn trolls | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: probably you'll also want to add -i | 23:14 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you never know, uppercase digits are dangerous | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 'in-place edit' | 23:14 |
| MNZ | crash and die crashanddie >:K | 23:14 |
| Zucca | Is there a file where I can add lines that are executed upon connection opening on Maemo 5? | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> BS, even 768 are way too much | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | too much? | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what use is in waiting 5min for swap to finish? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but meh | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ignore me | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: get original mate :) | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: there was something that can assemble combined image from parts | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | fiasco-gen | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you should grep for 2048 to make sure there are no multiple occurences though | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I did, none | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | kept swap as it is | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | now to brick it | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | err, flash | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | and use hex editor | 23:20 |
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| jacekowski | not some sed trickery that may fuck it up | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, otherwise you'd need longer match, or specify nr of occurence | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, shit | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | forgot to backup ~ | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | good thing N900 refused to turn off | 23:21 |
| MNZ | CTRL-C CTRL-C | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: there will be no fsckup | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | i don't trust sed | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | it can do regexps | 23:21 |
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| MNZ | jacekowski, you don't qualify for the hacker title unless you have perled seded awked and bashed your way through hordes of problems with more sane answers | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | i've got no problem with awk and bash | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | but whenever it comes close to perl | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well actually some implementations might fail on lines >16k chars | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or some other random max linelength | 23:23 |
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| jacekowski | besides, that binary edit is probably not going to work | 23:23 |
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| jacekowski | iirc that image is checksummed | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | ahhhh | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | wait | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | it's not fiasco image | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it works, somebody did exactly this before | 23:24 |
| satmd | so it's a fiasco | 23:24 |
| satmd | :D | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so problem sorted? | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | good stuff | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah actually. A lot of people more happy now | 23:41 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, do you happen to know what sort of chipsets the early nokia phones have | 23:41 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | hi DocScrutinizer | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: not really, off top of my head | 23:42 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, do you have an idea on how to feed /dev/cmt_speech | 23:42 |
| ieatlint | fuck recruiters who read programming questions from a form incorrectly for me to try and answer | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: sorry, nope | 23:42 |
| lcuk | GNUtoo|laptop, can't you use the text to speech thing | 23:42 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | because I've looked at the driver, it seem similar to SSI | 23:42 |
| lcuk | flite! | 23:42 |
| * lcuk made it say hello to him the other night | 23:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: I guess it actually is | 23:43 |
| lcuk | but i couldnt get it direct for some reason | 23:43 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but usually DAI are attached to a codec | 23:43 |
| lcuk | i had to save as wav then playback | 23:43 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and the driver seem to write what you give him | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | fiasco first, then eMMC | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | apparently it boots into a different flashing mode for the eMMC | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | Mk II or something | 23:44 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | lcuk, I'm evaluating if I should buy a n900 or a palm pre, in order to do that I want to know if SHR(an angstrom, openembedded distro) can run without issue and without proprietary stuff | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | and RAW EP | 23:44 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | on palm-pre-plus it should straingtforward....but on n900 there are many unknowns | 23:44 |
| lcuk | pupnik, i saw a thing recently that the first commercial gsm call was from Nokia in Helsinki | 23:44 |
| lcuk | http://funlok.com/index.php/information/1o-interesting-facts-about-nokia.html | 23:44 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and n900 has far better hardware | 23:44 |
| pupnik | hah cool | 23:45 |
| lcuk | it would be great to find the model and chipset | 23:45 |
| pupnik | i gots ta haves me some RAMEN | 23:45 |
| kerio | the n900 has a lot of hardware | 23:45 |
| lcuk | ok dude | 23:45 |
| kerio | if you wanted to write truly efficient software on it, you could do incredible things | 23:45 |
| lcuk | GNUtoo|laptop, the n900 kicks the ass of things with better hardware | 23:45 |
| lcuk | but i am biased | 23:45 |
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| kerio | and i mean *truly* incredible things | 23:45 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I know....but if I can't make phonecalls the interest lower a lot | 23:45 |
| lcuk | kerio, yeah | 23:46 |
| kerio | i mean, if we manage to unlock rapuyama | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | but that same software breaks compatability | 23:46 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | a pandora or something like that would be cheaper | 23:46 |
| kerio | and if you also wanted to use the DSP, the codec, and the led cpu | 23:46 |
| kerio | :3 | 23:46 |
| lcuk | kerio, nahh those can be done by the other things | 23:46 |
| lcuk | technically the cpu can do the rendering just fine. | 23:46 |
| kerio | lcuk: yeah but efficiency | 23:46 |
| kerio | if anything, you should try to offload stuff as much as you can | 23:46 |
| lcuk | efficiency involves doing less | 23:46 |
| kerio | what's the graphical chip? | 23:46 |
| kerio | maybe we can use that too | 23:47 |
| lcuk | and of course using the right part | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | PowerVR SGX | 23:47 |
| kerio | epic | 23:47 |
| lcuk | depends on how you use it | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: why wouldn't you be able to do phonecalls? all that's involved is rather open, and on meego it will be completely open | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, but afaik the one in the 3G S is better | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, the apple OS has a shorter pipeline | 23:47 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: :( | 23:47 |
| kerio | lcuk: heh, that's what she said | 23:47 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, will meego support n900? I'm not sure | 23:47 |
| kerio | GNUtoo|laptop: eventually, sure | 23:48 |
| kerio | why not | 23:48 |
| lcuk | kerio, in this case a longer pipeline is bad | 23:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, there is some initial ophono support | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it already does | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | though WIP | 23:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but it's far from complete for n900 | 23:48 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | indeed | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | #meego | 23:48 |
| kerio | meego isn't even out yet | 23:48 |
| lcuk | GNUtoo|laptop, linux is far from complete | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it can't do the dishes | 23:48 |
| kerio | with a n900 you get about the same experience you get from linux on desktop | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego-arm even | 23:48 |
| kerio | it's up to you to decide if that's a bad thing | 23:48 |
| lcuk | its just the collective best intentions of a few people to make it work | 23:48 |
| * lcuk defines few as being in their thousands :P | 23:49 | |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, image worked | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't give a crap about changes | 23:49 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | kerio, I want the same experience as any oe device | 23:49 |
| * MohammadAG checks if /home is 3GBs | 23:49 | |
| kerio | oe device? | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | yay Nokia hands | 23:49 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I know meego/maemo is great for a general user | 23:49 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but I'm rather a developper | 23:49 |
| kerio | it's really not | 23:49 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | kerio, openembedded | 23:49 |
| lcuk | awesome quote | 23:49 |
| kerio | the day after i bought it i was reconfiguring half the keyboard | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | this is racism, why isn't israel in the regions list | 23:50 |
| lcuk | GNUtoo|laptop, please can I use that | 23:50 |
| lcuk | "<GNUtoo|laptop> I know meego/maemo is great for a general user | 23:50 |
| lcuk | <GNUtoo|laptop> but I'm rather a developper" | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: have you talked with mickey and paul and dos and jama? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | and there we have it, we have crossed the line! | 23:50 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | lcuk, if you want to use my quote, yes feel free | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | GNUtoo|laptop, i am joking | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | holy crap this is fast | 23:50 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, was there a meeting? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, maemo is fast | 23:51 |
| lcuk | :P | 23:51 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, I've talked only to morphis and the n900 guy | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | 2.81GBs available, yay | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there was a sort of a project kickoff: OM/SHR on N900 | 23:51 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ah? | 23:51 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I missed that | 23:51 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll go in openmoko-cdevel | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | all four got their N900 and are about to port away :-D | 23:51 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, were they donated? | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep - pfuuu, after lots of pushing :-D | 23:52 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 23:52 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | was it yesterday? | 23:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | because I was absent yesterday | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Monday/yesterday | 23:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | DHL delivered | 23:53 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | nice | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue | 23:54 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | should I add myself somewhere or there is no chance? I'm too late I bet | 23:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | in french they say that I'm comming after the battle | 23:55 |
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| lupine_85 | so, my N900 has bluetooth and an IR transceiver. does this mean I can use a wiimote with it accurately? :) | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: yep :-/ | 23:56 |
| lcuk | lupine_85, ? | 23:56 |
| lcuk | the wiimote has a camera? | 23:56 |
| lupine_85 | it's essentially an IR camera, yeah | 23:56 |
| lupine_85 | it reports its position relative to an IR source via bluetooth | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ie specifically not an IR transceiver (which N900 doesnt have anyway) | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: though you never know | 23:56 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 23:57 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and what about developer discount? | 23:57 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | is there one? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | *shrug* | 23:57 |
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| lupine_85 | I can't think of a /use/ for it that'd be relevant to an N900, but it sounds fun | 23:58 |
| kerio | buy it used | 23:58 |
| kerio | it's no big deal | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't quite. | 23:58 |
| lcuk | lupine_85, :) watch this silly video | 23:58 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It reports the position of the brightest n IR sources in the field of view, and the accel orientation | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lupine_85: N900 has IR TX only, no RX | 23:58 |
| lupine_85 | that's a bit odd | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | And you need >1 IR source for orientation. | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | lupine_85, can you tell out how it works? | 23:59 |
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