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| DocScrutinizer | (well, the idea to call a company/product anything like *moko also wasn't that brilliant - but at least less obvious to german/US dudes not knowing Spanish) | 00:02 |
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| kerio | (what does moko mean?) | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | something you usually find in your nose | 00:03 |
| MNZ | hair :O | 00:03 |
| kerio | ooh | 00:04 |
| kerio | i get it | 00:04 |
| kerio | well, at least it's open | 00:04 |
| kerio | :d | 00:04 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 00:09 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 00:09 |
| MarcusM | is it normal that gps takes a long time to locate without internet locator-thingy? | 00:09 |
| kerio | yw | 00:09 |
| kerio | MarcusM: yup | 00:09 |
| MarcusM | even after like 5min it havent found anything | 00:10 |
| kerio | without phonet running and registered *and* without an active internet connection it will be incredibly slow | 00:10 |
| kerio | with both of those, it takes 10s, tops | 00:10 |
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| MarcusM | yup, internet makes it alot faster, but how much data does that use? | 00:11 |
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| josephnexus | hello everyone | 00:12 |
| MarcusM | hi | 00:12 |
| josephnexus | for some reason the media player doesn't seem to be indexing new ogg files that I drop into the music folder | 00:12 |
| josephnexus | any ideas? | 00:12 |
| MarcusM | have you installed support for ogg? | 00:13 |
| josephnexus | yes | 00:13 |
| nox- | i wonder if you could tell it to remember the last gps position and start again from there if no notwork... | 00:13 |
| josephnexus | i can play the audio when i open it via the file manager | 00:13 |
| MarcusM | hmm okay | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | well, kicking both watchdogs in linuxrc didn't help at all | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: ☹ | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | what is a bootreason? | 00:14 |
| luke-jr | nfc? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nox-: that's how it's supposed to work, but obviously there's some bug in that | 00:14 |
| josephnexus | is there a way to tell the media player to reindex the music? | 00:14 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer51, well here it starts with a position somewhere around the center of germany then, maybe it gets that from the 3g tower or something? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's tracker | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | without the NC from GSM indicating the country it starts with exactly my old coords but obviously those don't make it through cellmo to GPS | 00:17 |
| luke-jr | unfortunately, I'm not sure I have enough interest in figuring out AGPS :P | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wouldn't be surprised to learn that's a bug i cellmo FW | 00:18 |
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| luke-jr | actually, I suspect AGPS might be entirely modem side | 00:20 |
| luke-jr | /I/ certainly don't get a fix under 10 seconds every time | 00:20 |
| josephnexus | any ideas on fixing this tracker issue? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: (A cellmo) ack, me too | 00:21 |
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| luke-jr | with modem on 3G, 6 seconds to fix | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | note, in both cases the N900 was connected to my Wifi | 00:22 |
| nox- | yeah it doesnt need 3g data link, wifi works too | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | josephnexus: check tracker's config file | 00:22 |
| josephnexus | where would I find that? | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | i said that long time ago | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | somewhere in user's home iirc | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | agps is done in cellmo only | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: of course :-) | 00:23 |
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| nox- | jacekowski, so you mean it cant work without 3g/gsm packet data connection? | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | yep | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: it's quite consequent as same modem and gps is used on phones without a userland system outside cellmo | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | but that would mean as well that cellmo can have two connections at the same time | 00:25 |
| kerio | huh? i think i definetely *got* a gps fix without an active connection and an active sim | 00:25 |
| nox- | hm i thought i had see w/o wifi getting a fix takes even longer that with | 00:25 |
| nox- | than with | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | kerio: it can get a fix, but not agps fix | 00:25 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | one normal connection for phone and one for modem itself | 00:25 |
| kerio | nah, can't be | 00:26 |
| lcuk | josephnexus, whats up with your index? | 00:26 |
| kerio | otherwise, why would it ask you to connect | 00:26 |
| kerio | just to connect twice? | 00:26 |
| josephnexus | lcuck, it just isn't updating | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nox-: I guess modem will acept alltternative internet than 3G, or it maybe even gets agps data from bts without any internet data involved | 00:26 |
| josephnexus | it shows stuff from before, but nothing new that I add | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | nox-: wrong | 00:26 |
| nox- | hm | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I suspect this is why some N900 owners have been billed for tethering | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | because in reality, N900 *is* tethering | 00:27 |
| lcuk | josephnexus, try this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42088 | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: w/ only WiFi, no AGPS | 00:28 |
| kerio | tethering? | 00:28 |
| kerio | to what? | 00:28 |
| kerio | to rapuyama? | 00:28 |
| kerio | it doesn't make sense | 00:28 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: the tablet tethers to the phone | 00:29 |
| kerio | oh | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | via phonet | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't see that | 00:29 |
| kerio | it's not a phone, it's a modem :| | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | kerio: modems don't do voice | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | voicemodems do | 00:30 |
| nox- | haha | 00:30 |
| kerio | i had a serial modem that also did fax and voice | 00:30 |
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| nox- | yep there were those... | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | kerio: then it isn't a mere modem | 00:31 |
| kerio | it's still not a phone :< | 00:31 |
| nox- | stupid carriers shouldnt care about where data goes to/from, only how much | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | kerio: it's running the same thing Nokia low-end phones do, just w/o a LCD hooked to it | 00:31 |
| kerio | nox-: why should they, if that means they can bill you more? | 00:32 |
| kerio | (i still don't get why people *accept* that kind of thing) | 00:32 |
| nox- | yah :/ | 00:32 |
| kerio | anyway, having a n900 completely justifies you for *any* kind of traffic | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | kerio: that's why capitalism is evil | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | kerio: does it? | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | [16:31:52] <luke-jr> kerio: it's running the same thing Nokia low-end phones do, just w/o a LCD hooked to it | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | kerio: well, on my old £35 contract for iphone ( and now £25 for n900 ) i could download as much data as i wanted | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | that was BS btw | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | and O2 never charged me more | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | kerio: over here in the US, I hear AT&T doesn't allow N900, and T-Mobile doesn't allow N900 on PAYG data | 00:33 |
| kerio | luke-jr: then they suck | 00:33 |
| kerio | luke-jr: of course it does | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | kerio: and they're the only options | 00:33 |
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| nox- | eww | 00:33 |
| kerio | i mean, if you download a torrent how can they be sure you tethered a computer to your n900 | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | every other service is CDMA or iDEN | 00:34 |
| kerio | transmission works perfectly fine | 00:34 |
| kerio | luke-jr: you live in the US | 00:34 |
| kerio | i feel ya | 00:34 |
| kerio | :( | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: well, here nobody would ever think about paying more than £40/mo for a phone | 00:34 |
| kerio | (also yeah, capitalism sucks) | 00:34 |
| lcuk | hmm, c files, using fopen(filename) can I make it so that it will try to create a new file, but fail and return NULL if the file exists. | 00:34 |
| lcuk | and checking if it exists first then opening it is not atomic | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I think so | 00:35 |
| lcuk | so i would rather avoid that | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | rtfm? | 00:35 |
| kerio | lcuk: open it as... c? | 00:35 |
| lcuk | i have done | 00:35 |
| lcuk | twice | 00:35 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: you have to stat first | 00:36 |
| lcuk | flags are "r,r+,w,w+,a,a+" | 00:36 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, so it cannot be an atomic op in linux | 00:36 |
| lcuk | i used to use that kind of syntax in windows | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: use open(2) and fdopen | 00:36 |
| lcuk | where i could open with a lock | 00:36 |
| lcuk | so that it would fail if someone on the other side of the network opened it | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: open(2) has O_EXCL | 00:36 |
| lcuk | ooh, looking | 00:36 |
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| luke-jr | "O_EXCL Ensure that this call creates the file: if this flag is specified in conjunction with O_CREAT, and pathname already exists, then open() will fail." | 00:37 |
| lcuk | awesome | 00:37 |
| lcuk | thanks luke-jr | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | someone forgot to read the man? | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: not quite | 00:37 |
| lcuk | wrong man ;) | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | he needs to use 2 functions instead of 1 | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | because C doesn't support this feature | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | only POSIX | 00:38 |
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| luke-jr | (fopen is C, whereas open and fdopen are POSIX) | 00:38 |
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| luke-jr | on the bright side, fdopen doesn't require a syscall I think | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | just open | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (tethering) there's no reasonable way to tell if you do that (or your smartphone does) | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and ther's no second connection | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | ttl | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | if you see packets send with two different ttls then it's most likely tethering | 00:49 |
| satmd | there is | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if carrier says 'tethering' he actually means 'using other ports than the ones supposed to be possible for the device you announced' | 00:50 |
| satmd | ack, I was about to suggest the same | 00:50 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: so... what do they do with... any phone that can be programmed? | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea, here we got no such insane plan fineprint. probably they'll charge you accordingly | 00:55 |
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| zeltak | is it not possible to run 'screen' as "user"? i get a permission error | 01:06 |
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| zeltak | Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied | 01:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | i get that as well | 01:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | seemed to work if i ran screen as root, then exited and runned as user | 01:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | dunno why | 01:09 |
| zeltak | mmm wierd... | 01:09 |
| Shadikka | sudo mkdir /var/run/screen, sudo chmod 0777 /var/run/screen | 01:09 |
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| FIQ|n900 | wouldn't that only work temporarly | 01:09 |
| zeltak | Shadikka: is that normal procedure or is it a hack to make it work? | 01:09 |
| Shadikka | That depends a bit, I'm not sure | 01:09 |
| Shadikka | That's what I'd do as a normal *nix user | 01:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | it's not normal | 01:10 |
| Shadikka | /var/run/screen is where the per-user socket files of screen are stored | 01:10 |
| Shadikka | so if you just create it as root and give everybody write permissions to it, it should work normally afterwards | 01:10 |
| nox- | sounds like an oversight in the packaging | 01:10 |
| zeltak | i use nix in 3-4 machiones at home but i always run screen as nornal user | 01:10 |
| Shadikka | If you run screen as root, it basically does the same thing :P | 01:10 |
| zeltak | gotcha | 01:10 |
| zeltak | i dunno i also cand sudo apt-get as user..before reflashing i remember i used to do that | 01:11 |
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| zeltak | error i get: | 01:12 |
| zeltak | Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt-get update' as root on Nokia-N900. | 01:12 |
| Shadikka | Now that's curious. | 01:12 |
| zeltak | befoer reflashing yesterday i could use sudo i think..am i just imagining? | 01:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | zeltak, you have sudo gainroot? | 01:12 |
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| FIQ|n900 | (rootshj | 01:12 |
| zeltak | yup | 01:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | -j+) | 01:12 |
| Shadikka | Some sudoers oversight? | 01:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | you can edit sudoers with visudo, but dunno if it's the right way to do | 01:13 |
| nox- | it isnt (on n900) | 01:13 |
| zeltak | read in the wiki NOT TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT ..lol | 01:13 |
| zeltak | the visudo thing | 01:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah, ok. :p | 01:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | i did it anyway. :D | 01:14 |
| lcuk | i need a really tough pen driven a4 size slate. something that can survive living between my lap and keyboard | 01:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | but i do pretty much things i shouldn't do | 01:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | (i've also changed defaultshell) | 01:14 |
| derf | Should have been around in the good old days. | 01:15 |
| zeltak | yeah really wanted bash but was warned not to do that as well :) | 01:15 |
| derf | That used to brick your device. | 01:15 |
| lcuk | coping with bits dropped on it and work with high resolution pen | 01:15 |
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| * FIQ|n900 edited passwd manually to have /bin/bash and also added "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" in sudoers | 01:15 | |
| zeltak | so you guys dont have sudo issues etc..? wondering if i shoud reflash again...:( | 01:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | i'm ready for boot fails already, so i'm fine | 01:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | :) | 01:16 |
| zeltak | FIQ|n900: out of curiosity whats your steps on boot fails ;-)? | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | plugging in usb cable, hold down u, reflash! | 01:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | i did that 20mins after i got my new N900 | 01:18 |
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| FIQ|n900 | was very tired and forgot the major rule to edit sudoers with visudo | 01:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | managed to break it. :P | 01:18 |
| zeltak | how do you backup and more important restore? | 01:18 |
| zeltak | i used the build in program to backup...that sucked.. | 01:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | reflash just fiddle with rootfs | 01:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | and my important data is on home and mydocs | 01:19 |
| zeltak | i restored through it and it didnt restore stuff correctly.. | 01:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | so i was fine | 01:19 |
| kerio | why did you edit /etc/passwd instead of adding /bin/bash to /etc/shells | 01:19 |
| kerio | :| | 01:19 |
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| zeltak | yeah i tried flashing just /root but it screwed up apt for some reason so has to reflash emmc :( | 01:20 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio, because i dunno how shells should be specifiecd | 01:20 |
| FIQ|n900 | and i was to lazy to google up | 01:20 |
| FIQ|n900 | i know i will fuck up the device sooner or later, nn telling | 01:21 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i've devel on all the time too | 01:21 |
| zeltak | so in terms of root..i just install rootsh right? there is something in the wiki about "sudser",,i guess that obselete right? | 01:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | any more info you want that you will not like? | 01:21 |
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| FIQ|n900 | zeltak, tha's the normal wa yin maemo yes | 01:21 |
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| zeltak | kk cool | 01:22 |
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| zeltak | so i still dont get it why my sudo is fucked..thats the only thing i installed (and openssh) | 01:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | what's wrong with it? | 01:22 |
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| FIQ|n900 | does it whining about you need to specify pw? | 01:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | because, that's normal | 01:23 |
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| zeltak | no i cant use sudo at all as user | 01:24 |
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| zeltak | FIQ|n900: for example if i issue: sudo apt-get update | 01:24 |
| zeltak | i get: Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt-get update' as root on Nokia-N900. | 01:24 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Oh | 01:24 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 01:24 |
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| nox- | just type `root' | 01:24 |
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| nox- | then do the apt-get in the root shell | 01:25 |
| zeltak | yeah i can get root but i like to use sudo as user to quikcly launch stuff | 01:25 |
| zeltak | but if thats normal then ok | 01:25 |
| zeltak | i mean if thats how it works on all n900 | 01:25 |
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| zeltak | i thought i could use sudo tu launch progs as root or quikcly edit config files | 01:26 |
| zeltak | (like in ubuntu etc..) | 01:27 |
| * FIQ|n900 got that functionality on his old N900 randomly, doesn't know how that happened (that was without visudo-ing then) | 01:27 | |
| zeltak | heheh yeah i remember i could do it before the reflash..thats what drives me mad.. | 01:28 |
| FIQ|n900 | ugh | 01:29 |
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| FIQ|n900 | why does bash come with an ugly PS1 D: | 01:29 |
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| FIQ|n900 | -bash-2.05b$ | 01:29 |
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| zeltak | Shadikka: the chmod thing dosent stick after a reboot? is there a way to make it stick? | 01:32 |
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| MNZ | Folks I did it! IT VERKS! I got hardware effects (3D effect only for now...) working on the TLV320AIC34 in the n900! | 01:40 |
| satmd | ! | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats! | 01:42 |
| nox- | ideed :) | 01:42 |
| nox- | indeed even | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Audio_Codec - linky | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - this is proof of concept that you can do auido filters on it too | 01:42 |
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| MNZ | SpeedEvil, yes that's where I started, and on to the TI website. I got 3D(easiest one to do) implemented as an alsa mixer control | 01:43 |
| derf | Wait, seriously, this has a hardware equalizer and they're burning 15% CPU to make PulseAudio do it? | 01:43 |
| MNZ | derf, working on it ;) | 01:44 |
| kerio | derf: sssssh | 01:44 |
| kerio | don't spoil it | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: yes. | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: Also FMradio is shitty for that reason. | 01:44 |
| kerio | i still don't get it | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: FMradio has no good reason at all to go through the CPU | 01:44 |
| kerio | who the hell thought that using pulseaudio on a phone would be a good idea | 01:44 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, i read somewhere that it was to protect the speaker from too much bass... | 01:45 |
| pupnik | heh derf yup | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | FM radio use should go from ~10h to ~100h if that was changed | 01:45 |
| nox- | speakers even | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe ~50h actually | 01:45 |
| kerio | the speakers suck anyway :< | 01:45 |
| MNZ | Actually I think I can get the FM radio routing done pretty quickly, it's the equalizer stuff that's pretty hard to grasp for me :( | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: \o/ | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management mnz - for a simple tool to show power usage. | 01:47 |
| kerio | MNZ: i love you <3 | 01:47 |
| * MNZ does a happy dance | 01:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'm polishing it and going to patch and upload it to extras. | 01:47 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, sweet | 01:47 |
| kerio | hold on, how can fm radio skip the cpu? | 01:47 |
| * kerio doesn't get it | 01:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It routes through the codec chip | 01:47 |
| kerio | yeah but then you have no software control and no other audio | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It goes in one A/D, out the other D/A through the internal digital mixers and switches. | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: that's really great news :-)) | 01:48 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, Indeed it is! I couldn't believe it when I got it working :D | 01:49 |
| SpacedOut | Does the kernel-power or built in kernel use an initrd for the N900? | 01:49 |
| MNZ | Now I need help from people familiar with mafw so settings can be easily accesible to the user | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 01:50 |
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| MNZ | :( Am I going to have to dig through mafw ? please say no | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-x | 01:50 |
| MNZ | where's me shovel | 01:51 |
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| kerio | yay | 01:51 |
| kerio | /dcc send MNZ shovel | 01:51 |
| pupnik | MNZ: you got a pulseaudio working without any EQ? | 01:52 |
| kerio | he got an EQ working without any pulseaudio :D | 01:52 |
| MNZ | anywho, the equalizer thing is going to take some time.... I can't figure out the coefficients for the equation yet.... All I can actually implement is preset stuff (Bass boost, treble boost, etc) | 01:52 |
| MNZ | pupnik, as kerio said :D | 01:52 |
| pupnik | good job mate | 01:52 |
| MNZ | so unless someone with a background in DSP steps up, we're gonna settle for the presets | 01:53 |
| nox- | moin pupnik :) | 01:53 |
| MNZ | pupnik, thanks :D | 01:53 |
| kerio | i just want pulseaudio to stop eating my cpu time | 01:53 |
| kerio | it's valuable :< | 01:53 |
| pupnik | definitely kerio | 01:53 |
| pupnik | a volume limiter could be done instead of eq, for some uses | 01:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | wouldn't it be a great idea to kill if if you've sound off | 01:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | maybe not | 01:54 |
| pupnik | you can bypass it, but you need to watch your volumes | 01:54 |
| MNZ | pupnik, volume control is already done in hardware | 01:54 |
| MNZ | (unless PA is doing it in software and just ignoring the alsa controls..... I'm gonna have to look into that) | 01:55 |
| kerio | #maemo - working hard to completely discredit Nokia as a serious software company | 01:55 |
| MNZ | haha | 01:56 |
| pupnik | MNZ: if you ever do find where PA is doing the EQ, please try disabling it and comparing rough cpu use estimates with it enabled and disabled | 01:56 |
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| pupnik | i'm guessing the eq is taking about 1/2 of PA's cpu time | 01:57 |
| pupnik | or 1/3 at least | 01:57 |
| MNZ | pupnik, definitely. Right now I am concentrating on the HW side and exporting stuff through alsa, next step is moving up the stack | 01:57 |
| pupnik | cool | 01:57 |
| SpacedOut | MNZ: alsamixer tells me the hardware volumes are all the way up all the time, but you probably already knew that. | 01:58 |
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| pupnik | nox-: wats news in .de | 01:58 |
| MNZ | SpacedOut, I've only noticed them move when I change the volume from the status bar | 01:59 |
| MNZ | Also, try pluging in a headphone and changing volume from the status | 01:59 |
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| nox- | pupnik, only the usual stuff i think | 02:00 |
| MNZ | SpacedOut, just so we are clear, you are running "alsamixer -D real" correct? | 02:00 |
| SpacedOut | Probably not, anyhow my N900 is down and out for the moment, and I'm trying to reflash the kernel or some such to get it booting again. | 02:01 |
| kerio | wait, what | 02:01 |
| kerio | pulse reduces the volume of the audio feed but not the hw volume? | 02:01 |
| kerio | what the FUCK | 02:01 |
| MNZ | kerio, done in software :/ yeah, I know, PA rocks | 02:02 |
| pupnik | there are reasons for that | 02:02 |
| kerio | really, reasons? | 02:02 |
| kerio | :| | 02:02 |
| kerio | what reason could it possibly be | 02:02 |
| pupnik | independent volume control per application | 02:02 |
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| MNZ | actually I just did a quick test and the hardware volume is changing, both by changing volume from status and from media player | 02:04 |
| MNZ | in funnier news, trying to change the pulseaudio master volume from alsamixer lags the device :D | 02:05 |
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| pupnik | you have pasuspender installed? | 02:06 |
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| MNZ | pupnik, on the n900, of course not. If you suspend pa you get no call audio :D | 02:07 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, that software power management page will come in handy, thanks | 02:08 |
| kerio | pupnik: bite me | 02:09 |
| kerio | no offense | 02:12 |
| asj | feel the love | 02:14 |
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| satmd | pa also has something called flatvolumes - configurable | 02:17 |
| satmd | if enabled (default), it'll adjust the relative volume of individual streams to the loudest stream | 02:17 |
| satmd | that can cause glitches on volume changes on some drivers | 02:18 |
| pupnik | it seems to me that audio piping should be done at a low-level with realtime priority | 02:20 |
| kerio | pupnik: nah, that would be the sensible thing to do | 02:21 |
| pupnik | i don't even know what is taking so much cpu time. though there is one hint about buffer underruns requiring a lot of processing to reset | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: You've seen the various hardware pages? | 02:23 |
| lcuk | pupnik, was that how asound used to work | 02:23 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, yeah I skimmed through the ones linked in the wiki. | 02:24 |
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| asj | pupnik: the problem with running everything at high priority is well...everything is high priority ;) | 02:24 |
| MNZ | The audio codec is what caught my eye as why-the-hell-is-this-not-used immediately though | 02:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Because spec-writers don't strart out by reading all of the datasheets | 02:29 |
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| MNZ | SpeedEvil, as far as the audio codec is concerned I think the spec writers have done a good job | 02:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | why? | 02:46 |
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| technomike_phone | audio stutter is annoying :( | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike_phone: Don't worry, it's fixed. | 02:47 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, because they've summed up the attractive features quite well with little technical details. These wiki pages are meant for users right? not devs? | 02:48 |
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| technomike_phone | SpeedEvil - still got to wait for the next update unfortunatly :( | 02:50 |
| technomike_phone | which could be a long way off | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: sorry - what spec writers? | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Oh - I was referring to the n900 software spec writer. | 02:51 |
| MNZ | Oh, then nvm :D | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm the author of most of category:n900_hardware | 02:52 |
| technomike_phone | Any news on possible release time? I know its not announced but maybe someone knows something? | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyone not comment on the version of software they're running on their phone? | 02:52 |
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| johnx | SpeedEvil, oooh, I can. | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | .5pot+1egg+2onion+10g oil | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 02:56 |
| johnx | aah, must be a clue as to the release date | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It was actually a note to myself about the composition of a meal I just ate. | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | To compute calories. | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | About 280Kc | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | Alas more boring johnx - merely a note to myself about the caloric content of the meal I just ate. | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil1 | (~280kc) | 03:01 |
| johnx | uh huh. no one really believes that, but good try :P | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil1 | .5 pot = 250g potato (150Kc), 1 egg = 1 small egg (50Kc), 2 onion = 2 small onions (30Kc), 10g oil = 10g of veg oil. (80Kc) | 03:03 |
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| * johnx is only pulling your leg :) | 03:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/weight.gif /me is bored. | 03:05 |
| GAN900 | Anybody else hate ESPN? | 03:05 |
| johnx | GAN900, I love ESPN8, the ocho | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I have never to my knowledge watched ESPN. | 03:06 |
| GAN900 | ESPN15 is OK, but the rest is a little weak. | 03:06 |
| johnx | GAN900, where else can I see men kicking a soccer ball on fire? or hitting each other with ropes? or racing tractors? | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Are the men on fire, or the soccer ball? | 03:06 |
| johnx | yes | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Or are they all on some large griddle. | 03:07 |
| johnx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jVa25gmWs | 03:07 |
| GAN900 | johnx, I'm just irritated because the ESPN announcers all speak like they've taken repeated blows to the head. | 03:09 |
| johnx | GAN900, you know I was referring the spoof on ESPN from the movie dodgeball, right? | 03:10 |
| johnx | cause otherwise I can't stand ESPN | 03:10 |
| johnx | luckily I don't even get cable, so it's not a problem :) | 03:11 |
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| GAN900 | johnx, yes. | 03:19 |
| GAN900 | Great movie. | 03:19 |
| GAN900 | Hey, the local network may not be able to negotiate a renewal with ESPN this year, so it may not be a problem for me any longer. | 03:20 |
| johnx | however, if there was a channel that featured squirrel water skiing and tractor races, I might be tempted to look into cable again | 03:20 |
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| GAN900 | johnx, ESPN. | 03:27 |
| GAN900 | At least the tractors | 03:27 |
| johnx | that's a start | 03:27 |
| GAN900 | (and sometimes lawnmowers) | 03:27 |
| johnx | the flaming soccer ball thing would be the clincher | 03:27 |
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| GAN900 | johnx, how's that Pandora treating you these days? | 03:33 |
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| johnx | the wifi was DOA and the nubs wouldn't calibrate. I'm sending it back on monday | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | When did you get it? | 03:34 |
| johnx | june, but I hadn't really felt like hacking, so it was a while before I confirmed the wifi was a hardware problem | 03:34 |
| johnx | overall, the case actually feels pretty good | 03:37 |
| johnx | when I get it back, I hope to really dive into getting meego working properly on it | 03:37 |
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| MNZ | And off to bed. Good night folks! | 03:54 |
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| jaem | Evening, folks | 03:55 |
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| johnx | hi jaem | 03:56 |
| jaem | My recent build of Qt Creator from Master seems to be calling mad-admin with a switch that doesn't exist in the MADDE version that comes with the last SDK release. | 03:56 |
| jaem | Where would I find a newer version? Is it even available? | 03:56 |
| zeltak | hya...does anyone knows if its possible to activate the system log as in a regular nix machine on the n900? | 03:58 |
| jaem | zeltak: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog | 03:58 |
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| zeltak | sweet thx jaem | 04:01 |
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| jaem | Ah, found it. http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools | 04:21 |
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| zeltak | hya...screen is really drving me mad...anyone know how to run screen as a normal user..i cant get it to run unless im root :( | 04:24 |
| johnx | what error message does it give when run as normal user? | 04:24 |
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| zeltak | johnx: Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied | 04:25 |
| johnx | as root: mkdir /var/runscreen | 04:26 |
| johnx | then try as user again | 04:26 |
| johnx | should have read: mkdir /var/run/screen of course :) | 04:26 |
| zeltak | kk one sec | 04:27 |
| zeltak | ohh wait i did that already (and of course chmod 0777 /var/run/screen) and it works...BUT..after a reboot it dosent work again.. | 04:28 |
| johnx | so add the commands to /etc/rc.local (or similar) | 04:29 |
| zeltak | ahhh ok mind helping me with that :) | 04:29 |
| johnx | is this on an N8x0 or an N900? | 04:30 |
| zeltak | n900 | 04:31 |
| zeltak | btw johnx is that normal? is that how all you guys use screen as root? | 04:32 |
| johnx | I don't have screen installed right now, but no, on desktop linux the stuff involving /var/run/screen is handled by a script at boot that's part of the screen package | 04:32 |
| johnx | and I almost never run screen as root on my desktop | 04:32 |
| johnx | so, uhm, second question is: what repo did you find screen in? (can't help you if I don't have it installed) :) | 04:33 |
| zeltak | hehe thx johnx its from the dev repo | 04:34 |
| zeltak | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 04:34 |
| johnx | thanks | 04:34 |
| * johnx installs screen | 04:34 | |
| zeltak | mm i also have this in the sourcelist: deb-src http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 04:35 |
| zeltak | but i assume thats part of the dev repo | 04:35 |
| zeltak | thx johnx btw :) | 04:35 |
| johnx | having the -src repository doesn't hurt, but you probably don't need it :) | 04:36 |
| zeltak | gotcha :) | 04:36 |
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| johnx | zeltak, well, I just installed screen and tweaked its initscript | 04:43 |
| johnx | this should either work or leave my n900 unbootable ;) | 04:43 |
| zeltak | heheh..thats dramatic :) | 04:44 |
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| johnx | bummer. it booted, but didn't work | 04:45 |
| johnx | hmmm | 04:45 |
| nox- | why did you need to tweak the initscript? | 04:45 |
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| johnx | so it will remake /var/run/screen on boot | 04:45 |
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| nox- | is /var on a ramdisk on n900? | 04:45 |
| johnx | yup | 04:45 |
| zeltak | what do u generally do when your n900 dosnet boot..u have a hodini escape plane ;-) | 04:45 |
| nox- | ah | 04:45 |
| nox- | haha | 04:45 |
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| raster | wave a dead chicken over it | 04:46 |
| johnx | zeltak, nah, I just walk the tightrope without a net. Some people exist to serve as a warning to others :) | 04:46 |
| zeltak | hehe appriciate it johnx :-) | 04:46 |
| zeltak | i cant belive almost no one uses screeen..its so usefull | 04:47 |
| nox- | i do use it, tho not (yet?) on n900... | 04:48 |
| johnx | hmmm, it seems like screen-cleanup is run before the tmpfs is mounted on /var | 04:48 |
| zeltak | yeah i meant on the n900..its so usefull to have my cli apps runing all the time..i use mc,task,htop etc..i just alias sr to resume screen an voila all apps are there :) | 04:49 |
| zeltak | johnx: wasnt awaye on my nix machine there was a screen cleanup lol :) | 04:50 |
| nox- | hm so far i just left n900's `xterm'(s) open... | 04:53 |
| nox- | tho screen may use less ram | 04:54 |
| zeltak | nox-: and my n900 crashes alot and reboots because of game emulators (..long story..) so screen is very usefull | 04:55 |
| johnx | does long story involve overclocking? :> | 04:55 |
| nox- | well screen'd apps wont survive a reboot ofc :) | 04:55 |
| zeltak | nope not at all :) | 04:55 |
| zeltak | the snes emulator reboots my machine every few minutes..no idea why.. | 04:56 |
| nox- | ouch | 04:56 |
| zeltak | yeah i guess ouch is the right word..even reflashes my machine yesterday to see if that helps..did at first..but now its back to reboothing the n900 after a few minutes of play | 04:57 |
| johnx | some app that doesn't behave well with the NES emu? | 04:57 |
| zeltak | even bought the game gripper to play games (highly recommended btw..) | 04:57 |
| zeltak | i guess johnx but u cant out my finger on what app.. | 04:58 |
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| zeltak | any progress with the screen btw :)? | 04:58 |
| johnx | reflash -> play with emu -> install 1 app -> play with emu -> rinse -> repeat | 04:58 |
| johnx | I was thinking about hijacking its init script, but that runs too early | 04:58 |
| johnx | then I tested to see if rc.local would be run if it was present: no dice | 04:59 |
| johnx | so maybe I'll hack the screen-cleanup initscript and move it to run later | 04:59 |
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| zeltak | heheh cool :) | 04:59 |
| zeltak | wierd no once asked/cared about this before..quite shocking | 05:00 |
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| * johnx shrugs | 05:01 | |
| johnx | I wonder if there is another screen pkg floating around or something | 05:01 |
| johnx | or maybe other people do the fix once and don't reboot all that often | 05:01 |
| zeltak | mmm intresting havent thought of that | 05:01 |
| zeltak | (the better package) | 05:01 |
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| johnx | in fact, playing with this initscript I've probably rebooted more in the last couple minutes than I have in the last 6 months | 05:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | debian squeeze repos have squeeze: 4.0.3-14 | 05:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | screen version - that is | 05:03 |
| zeltak | mmm jpinx-eeepc thats an idea but i think using debbie for screen is a bit of an overkill isnt it? | 05:04 |
| zeltak | plus wont i have to leave xtrem open all the time? | 05:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | not sure - I run screen in tty on the eeepc - not got my N900 yet :( | 05:05 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 05:06 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | zeltak: I was thinking more along the lines of would that screen .deb install in meamo? | 05:06 |
| zeltak | wow i though everybody would use it on the n900 lol | 05:06 |
| zeltak | i see jpinx-eeepc ..i have no idea... | 05:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | zeltak: I will - my N900 is in the post on it's way ;) | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | the keyboard sucks too much to really use xterm anyway | 05:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: external kbd ? | 05:07 |
| johnx | luke-jr, why? | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | I mean, it works if you *have* to, but it's not something you'd want to use often enough to make it worth installing screen | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: N900 doesn't support external kbds | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | well, not Maemo anyhow | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it's just uncomfortable | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | like the N810, but worse | 05:08 |
| * jpinx-eeepc had heard a while ago that the usb hack was possible for an external kbd | 05:08 | |
| zeltak | luke-jr: its not ideal but for shorty time typing its passable.. | 05:09 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the key feel is better on the N900 than the N810, IMHO. opinion I guess | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | uh, definitely not USB | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | N900 doesn't have *any* USB host | 05:09 |
| johnx | luke-jr, you missed some news. :) | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | o | 05:10 |
| jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/06/07/usb-host-mode-comes-to-the-nokia-n900/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 | 05:10 |
| johnx | BTW, I believe I predicted that it was just a software limitation | 05:10 |
| zeltak | :) | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | johnx: that is obvious IMO | 05:11 |
| johnx | luke-jr, some people thought it might not have power hooked up | 05:11 |
| johnx | (like the 770) | 05:11 |
| zeltak | oh well i guess ill run screen as root for the time being..pretty stupid but what can you do...:) | 05:11 |
| johnx | zeltak, yeah, for some reason the initscript is being dumb | 05:11 |
| johnx | might as well just make a script to run as root that you can run after reboot to set it up | 05:12 |
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| zeltak | yup..its wierd btw..i also cant sudo apt-get after the reflash.. | 05:12 |
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| zeltak | i remember i did before..now i get a permission error..i do have root access (rootsh) but for some reason sudo is screwed... | 05:13 |
| johnx | sudo is screwed by default | 05:13 |
| zeltak | i really wish sometime the n900 acted like any normal nix distro.. | 05:13 |
| johnx | so I guess you fixed it last time somehow | 05:13 |
| johnx | it's soooo much more normal than android :) | 05:13 |
| zeltak | ahh so its not a personal thing the n900 has against me johnx lol :-) | 05:13 |
| zeltak | ahh good to hear :) | 05:14 |
| lcukn900 | johnx did you see my question earlier about sudser | 05:14 |
| zeltak | i had a huge dilema 2 weeks ago between an android and the n900..lol | 05:14 |
| johnx | by default, android's busybox is missing mv and cp | 05:14 |
| johnx | lcukn900, probably not | 05:14 |
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| zeltak | johnx: should i file a bug somwhere reharding the screen thing? and if so where? | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | zeltak: just install Gentoo | 05:16 |
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| johnx | zeltak, dunno. the 'tools' repo is kind of a DMZ in a way | 05:16 |
| zeltak | luke-jr: good one..but i have enough "pain" on my desktop ;-) | 05:17 |
| zeltak | johnx: i see | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | zeltak: shrug, works for me | 05:17 |
| zeltak | oh you were serious?? gentoo on the n900?!? | 05:17 |
| johnx | luke-jr, so you can make calls on your N900 from gentoo? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | johnx: in theory! | 05:18 |
| johnx | zeltak, take whatever he says with a grain of salt :) | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | zeltak: yeah | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | johnx: f u too | 05:18 |
| johnx | luke-jr, in theory, theory and practice are the same thing. In practice, they aren't | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | johnx: ah, but I already have telepathy built and installed. just need a GUI I like | 05:18 |
| zeltak | gotcha..:) i mean im new to the n900 and i know it can do some incredible stuf..but i guess gentoo is to hard core..lol | 05:18 |
| lcukn900 | zeltak search yesterdays log for sudser question | 05:19 |
| lcukn900 | i am on 900 or i would give link | 05:19 |
| zeltak | lcukn900: kk..i thought sudser was obsolete? | 05:19 |
| nox- | also gentoo likes to compile much so you'll have to wait for that quite a bit on the n900's little cpu i guess... | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | nox-: N900's CPU is probably more capable than my original Gentoo box | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | and definitely more capable than the 233 MHz Pentium I once ran Gentoo on | 05:21 |
| zeltak | lcukn900: i searched the 28 and 29th..didnt find a sudusr mention? | 05:21 |
| zeltak | i meant sudser | 05:21 |
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| zeltak | k my bad lcukn900 found it | 05:23 |
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| lcukn900 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-29.log.html#t2010-08-29T18:06:46 | 05:23 |
| lcukn900 | me too - the wedlog views and renders quite nicely on microb | 05:24 |
| lcukn900 | but if a judder getting going tho | 05:24 |
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| lcukn900 | weblog | 05:24 |
| zeltak | i see so i dont quite follow the resolution lcukn900 ? | 05:25 |
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| luke-jr | sigh | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | is there any hope for a working Nano in Maemo? | 05:30 |
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| johnx | s/in Maemo// | 05:30 |
| johnx | no | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | … | 05:30 |
| ieatlint | haha | 05:30 |
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| luke-jr | in /etc/pmconfig, change 'sleep_ind 1' to 0 ;) | 05:33 |
| Ousama | hey...when is n9 coming people? | 05:33 |
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| ieatlint | tuesday | 05:33 |
| Ousama | whats next for n900? is 1.3 coming ? | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | N900 is dead probably | 05:34 |
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| Ousama | or is n900 dead in the water already? | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | until MeeGo at least | 05:34 |
| johnx | he Ousama / N900_lover. how;s it going? | 05:34 |
| Ousama | good...thanks | 05:34 |
| Ousama | but that aint my name buddy] | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | Ousama: Nokia has hired people to port MeeGo to N900, but won't officially support it | 05:35 |
| Ousama | luke-jr: yup | 05:35 |
| johnx | Ousama, eh. I just make up names for the people here anyways. Don't worry about it | 05:35 |
| Ousama | is nokia still selling the n900? | 05:36 |
| johnx | I dunno. if you go to their website, is it for sale? | 05:36 |
| Ousama | it is in usa | 05:36 |
| johnx | then, uhm, what were you asking? | 05:37 |
| Ousama | why they selling n900 when n9 is coming in weeks? | 05:37 |
| johnx | let's rephrase that: Why do companies sell things even when they will eventually release new things? | 05:37 |
| Ousama | johnx: wrong buddy.......iphone is supported for years....not dead after 7 months...and no, i aint an apple fan boi | 05:38 |
| johnx | Ousama, did I say that? | 05:38 |
| Ousama | johnx: youre implying that | 05:39 |
| ieatlint | Ousama, welcome back N900dude | 05:39 |
| johnx | no. I wasn't | 05:39 |
| johnx | I think you're being a little defensive :) | 05:39 |
| ieatlint | Aug 12 20:04:11 --> N900dude (~user@bas6-hamilton14-1176141564.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #maemo | 05:39 |
| Ousama | chill....just asking questions | 05:39 |
| ieatlint | Aug 13 14:11:42 --> N900dude (~user@bas6-hamilton14-1176141564.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #maemo | 05:39 |
| ieatlint | and now, you, connecting from that same hostname | 05:39 |
| johnx | ieatlint, yeah, N900_lover and N900_hater as well | 05:39 |
| Ousama | ieatlint: ever heard of several people using the same computer buddy ? | 05:40 |
| ieatlint | no | 05:40 |
| johnx | ieatlint, (be quiet about this, but I think he has some type of short-term memory loss disorder.) | 05:40 |
| ieatlint | never | 05:40 |
| Ousama | i dunno what your talking about | 05:40 |
| johnx | Ousama, we have no idea what you're talking about either | 05:40 |
| johnx | so at least everyone is on equal footing | 05:41 |
| Ousama | chill everyone | 05:41 |
| ieatlint | he also used the nick "maemoboi", which i find far more entertaining | 05:41 |
| ieatlint | sounds kinda hot | 05:41 |
| johnx | ieatlint, uhm...wow...so I have no idea where to go with that | 05:41 |
| Ousama | so can we expect any new apps for n900 or is the platform dead? | 05:41 |
| ieatlint | hamilton, ontario is where to go | 05:41 |
| johnx | Ousama, no. there are no apps. the platform is dead. In addition, smartphones are going away | 05:42 |
| johnx | everyone will switch back to MOTO RAZRs and laugh at how we use to use touch screen phones | 05:42 |
| asj | Ousama: look on extras-devel, there's new apps every day | 05:42 |
| johnx | also, the web is dying | 05:42 |
| Ousama | you open source nazis are dunny | 05:42 |
| Ousama | funny | 05:42 |
| ieatlint | hey, i'm not an open source nazi | 05:43 |
| ieatlint | i'm more of the classical variety | 05:43 |
| Ousama | the usb port on my n900 is broken.... can i replace it or am i fucked? | 05:43 |
| johnx | Ousama, so do you troll other channels, or is just this one? | 05:43 |
| nox- | at least `we' dont have to `jailbreak' our device... | 05:43 |
| Ousama | johnx: i aint no troll.... | 05:44 |
| johnx | double negative ... | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | he's right | 05:44 |
| Ousama | whut? | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | trolls are entertaining | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | and funny | 05:44 |
| Ousama | im glad n9 is coming | 05:44 |
| johnx | ieatlint, I guess that is a pretty good proof that he isn't a troll :> I stand corrected ... | 05:45 |
| johnx | Ousama, wow. keep thsoe fantasies to yourself O_o; | 05:45 |
| Ousama | johnx: you dont think n9 will be announced at nokia world? | 05:45 |
| johnx | Ousama, look. I don't know who this n9 guy is that you're pretending is coming, but this is a technical channel, not some cybersex chatroom | 05:46 |
| ieatlint | :( | 05:47 |
| Ousama | johnx: why cant we talk about an upcoming meego device which is directly descended from maemo? | 05:47 |
| ieatlint | there is a meego channel too | 05:47 |
| Ousama | johnx: read the news much? | 05:47 |
| johnx | Ousama, chill. you need 2 lighten up | 05:48 |
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| Ousama | johnx: cool | 05:48 |
| Ousama | read this dudes: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/08/nokia_n9_leak_now_includes_specs.html | 05:49 |
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| Ousama | the freaking specs are da bomb man | 05:50 |
| johnx | Ousama, I highly doubt those are all true | 05:50 |
| Ousama | really? | 05:50 |
| johnx | I'd bet on an OMAP3 instead of the Snapdragon | 05:51 |
| Ousama | yes...we'll see....nokia needs a top end device badly | 05:51 |
| johnx | also, if I was a betting man, I'd guess a 3.5" or 3.7" screen | 05:51 |
| Ousama | i am so pissed how n900 was treated....so freaking pissed i bought into the lies...the propaganda....freaking bitter man | 05:52 |
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| johnx | Ousama, you seem a bit fickle ... | 05:53 |
| Ousama | when i paid $600 for n900 i was expecting great thing as promised by the Arsi dude last year..... freaking bitter pill to swallow | 05:53 |
| johnx | anyways, if you think Nokia lied to you, you probably need to contact nokia customer care | 05:54 |
| Ousama | johnx: nah.... fuck that.... just venting here... nobody cares about a little man like me | 05:54 |
| asj | Ousama: can you link to anything Arsi said about the n900 and what he prosmised? | 05:54 |
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| johnx | Ousama, you're so right about that. you have no idea | 05:54 |
| Ousama | asj: yup... theres a youtube video somewhere.... i will find it | 05:55 |
| Ousama | and the worst thing is the open source fascist have blinders on their eyes.... | 05:56 |
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| luke-jr | Ousama: us open source fascists are also anti-Nokia! | 05:57 |
| johnx | Ousama, you mean like, from WWII? | 05:57 |
| Ousama | yup | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | down with their closed free market economy! | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | also, those N9 specs SUCK | 05:58 |
| Ousama | suck???? u crazy man? | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | N1 had 1 GB RAM in January. Why do we need to put up with a measley 512 MB? | 05:59 |
| Gizmokid2005 | luke-jr: yet the N1/Android are constantly having Out of memory errors...coincidence? :P | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | and only 8 megapixel cam⁇ | 05:59 |
| cehteh | n900 was advertized as 1G ram too .. remember | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: irrelevant | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: you're saying N1 doesn't have 1G? | 06:00 |
| * cehteh saied "n900 was advertized as 1G ram too" | 06:00 | |
| cehteh | nothing more :P | 06:00 |
| Gizmokid2005 | luke-jr: not. Why do you need to include 1GB RAM on an OS that will never need that much? 256MB has proven more than sufficient on Maemo, at least in most use cases... | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: LOLOLOL | 06:00 |
| Muelli | O_o | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | Maemo can't work with 256 MB | 06:00 |
| cehteh | Gizmokid2005: uhm | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | try turning the swap off sometime | 06:00 |
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| cehteh | i would like to have 1G | 06:01 |
| Gizmokid2005 | and android doesn't have swap? | 06:01 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I'm not saying it won't help to have more | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | heck, even KDE runs with less memory than Maemo | 06:01 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I'm just saying, just because it has more doesn't mean it's going to work any better | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: RAM is easily the bottleneck in N900 | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | and N810 | 06:01 |
| Muelli | sure it does. | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | and N800 | 06:01 |
| johnx | 512MB will make a huge difference | 06:01 |
| Muelli | more RAM is more cache. More cache is faster. | 06:01 |
| asj | luke-jr: and IO/mem bandwidth isn't? | 06:01 |
| * cehteh thinks 512M or 1G would give the n900 a quite big speed boost | 06:01 | |
| luke-jr | asj: that's over my head | 06:01 |
| johnx | I kind of doubt that 512MB -> 1GB would be worth the extra $$$ and power usage at this point | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | does more RAM actually use more power? I guess it would… | 06:02 |
| cehteh | i am quite positive about this | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | can Linux handle turning RAM on/off? | 06:02 |
| cehteh | yes it does | 06:02 |
| johnx | luke-jr, not DRAM | 06:02 |
| asj | luke-jr: the n900 can only move about 300megs/sec to and from memory, including gpu accesses. You really think double the mem would matter? it would take 2 seconds to use it all | 06:02 |
| johnx | that's what the *D* means | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | maybe an array of 2x 512 MB RAM? | 06:02 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ^^ ty asj | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | johnx: ? | 06:02 |
| johnx | luke-jr, if you turn the RAM off you lose the contents | 06:03 |
| Gizmokid2005 | you can't just increase ram wihtout beefing up the access points (meaning bandwidth, etc) | 06:03 |
| cehteh | asj: compared to the 6Mb/sec swap .. would be gold :) | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | johnx: so? | 06:03 |
| Gizmokid2005 | obviously android has mem usage issues, just like the N97 had... | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | johnx: if you're only using 300 MB RAM, turn the second 512 MB off | 06:03 |
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| cehteh | and its not only swap .. if you have more memory you have way better utilized page-cache | 06:03 |
| johnx | luke-jr, so you propose dropping cache whenever the device goes to low power mode? | 06:03 |
| asj | cehteh: while I'm sure 512/1g would help, I think removing the io bottleneck from the GPU and CPU have to be done at the same time | 06:03 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: sure | 06:04 |
| johnx | luke-jr, and then the device can be slow when you unlock it and try to open an app? | 06:04 |
| johnx | this is why no one really uses suspend to disk these days | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | johnx: no slower than if it only had 512 MB total to begin with | 06:05 |
| asj | cehteh: especially when you consider the desire for 60fps, let's see the GPU is drawing the whole screen, 800x480x24x60 == how many mbps? | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | nah, nobody uses suspend to disk because nobody wants to stop their bg processes :P | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | asj: fine. DDR3 at the same time | 06:05 |
| johnx | luke-jr, you're right. I never said more RAM wouldn't be faster, just that it would soak up power in a lot of situations and cost more money | 06:06 |
| johnx | and then you'd have to do a whole bunch of 'clever' hacking to try and reduce the power usage | 06:06 |
| asj | luke-jr: you realize I shove this device in my pocket, I don't want roasted nuts ;) | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | asj: why not? it's a nice pocket warmer in the winter | 06:07 |
| johnx | generally I keep mine in my hip pocket, not in my boxers ... | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | that's a feature I miss from C760 | 06:07 |
| asj | luke-jr: they don't have winter where I live | 06:07 |
| johnx | asj, you can have ours | 06:07 |
| asj | johnx: no, that's why I moved | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | actually, has anyone tested whether N900 and such devices in a pocket can cause sterilization? O.o | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | guess we can force Nokia to respond with some FUD… | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | "N900 = no babies!" | 06:09 |
| Adeon | how do you test that | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Adeon: not too difficult I imagine | 06:09 |
| johnx | luke-jr, I'd believe that correlation, but I think it'd be more do to the phone being kind of an unstylish brick that appeals to geeks :P | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | johnx: lol, I wouldn't | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | slono and I at least have had a couple kids since carrying around N810 | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | I imagine we're not alone | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | so unless we have abnormally strong sperm.. | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | of course, testing on women would be an entirely different matter | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | are there any females with N900 at all? | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | (then again, I guess it *doesn't matter*, if not) | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | infobot: monologue | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | infobot: botsmack | 06:12 |
| infobot | OWW! | 06:12 |
| johnx | anyways, what makes you think it would sterilize you? | 06:12 |
| johnx | the electromagnetic emissions? the heat? the brick shape? | 06:12 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: the nerdiness of it? | 06:15 |
| johnx | heh. If you survived the C760, you're probably invulnerable | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | :P | 06:16 |
| johnx | think of it the same way you think of training your immune system | 06:16 |
| johnx | N900::smallpox C760::cowpox :P | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | isn't that backward? | 06:17 |
| johnx | yes | 06:17 |
| johnx | :) | 06:17 |
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| Ousama | hey boys | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | hi troll | 06:19 |
| Ousama | thats mean | 06:22 |
| johnx | sometimes the truth hurts | 06:22 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | what's the state of using skype on the N900 ? | 06:53 |
| Ousama | skype suck balls big one on n900 | 06:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | in what way? | 06:53 |
| Ousama | battery will last like 12 minutes a day if you're connected to skype all the time | 06:54 |
| Ousama | and you need a magnifying glass to see if youre doing a video call | 06:54 |
| ieatlint | just ignore him, he's a troll | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | skype works fine | 06:55 |
| Ousama | no I am not... skype is a poorly implemented attempt | 06:55 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | ieatlint: thanks - I know it'lll much battery and bandwidth, I use it on my eeepc more for sending SMS to non-skype people | 06:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | s/much/munch | 06:56 |
| Ousama | please go try it yourself and then come back here and report on battery....judge for yourself if I am a troll | 06:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Ousama: battery is not a concern for me - I would not have skype running all the time - that is asking for trouble even in a netbook | 06:57 |
| jpinx-eeepc | but I appreciate your words:) | 06:57 |
| Ousama | fair enough | 06:57 |
| jpinx-eeepc | how does the install go - easy? | 06:57 |
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| Ousama | skype is built in....no need to install anything | 06:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I don't see it in ovi.... | 06:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Ooo - ok | 06:58 |
| Ousama | forget ovi.... n900 is a forgotten child on ovi....skype is built in | 06:59 |
| * jpinx-eeepc hasn't actually gor his N900 yet - it's with the carriers somewhere between New Zealand and Thailand | 06:59 | |
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| asj | jpinx-eeepc: so...it's in australia...bouncing along on a kangeroo? | 06:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | heh | 06:59 |
| Ousama | may i ask why you purchased the n900? | 07:00 |
| asj | jpinx-eeepc: ovi store is dead for the n900, all the fun stuff is totaly free and in maemo extras, -devel and -testing, where there's probably close to 1000 apps | 07:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am following the usb implementation with considerable interest - that is going to be a life-changing experience for N900 users I reckon | 07:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asj: cool - where do I find -devel adn -testing ? | 07:01 |
| Ousama | one thing about apps in the repositories: there's lots of em but most have been abandoned, be careful what you instal | 07:01 |
| asj | jpinx-eeepc: docs should be on maemo.org | 07:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Ousama: I hear you ;) | 07:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asj: okidoki | 07:02 |
| asj | Ousama: most? go back into your hole | 07:02 |
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| Ousama | asj: i have all kinds of apps installed and not one of them has been updated in a long time, i call that abandonware in my books. | 07:03 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I'll check here before installing anything ;) | 07:03 |
| asj | Ousama: not in the least, if the app does it's job why does it need updates? | 07:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | really only need irssi, bitlbee and skype | 07:04 |
| Ousama | asj: fair enough... the thing with maemo is the apps are work in progress | 07:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | assuming the browser is good enough | 07:04 |
| asj | it's like saying grep in linux is only version 2.5.2, how often do you think grep needs to be updated? :) | 07:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asj: are you in #debian ? | 07:04 |
| asj | jpinx-eeepc: no, and I'll avoid that discussion ;) | 07:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | heh ;) | 07:05 |
| Ousama | i think its fair to assume most developers are moving on to meego | 07:05 |
| * jpinx-eeepc has no clue whaqt the diferences are between maemo meego | 07:06 | |
| asj | Ousama: write your app in Qt on maemo and it's a meego app. Some caveats apply, but not for anything mentioned so far. | 07:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I saw a comment that meego might be available for the N900, but not sure what the advantage would be | 07:07 |
| asj | jpinx-eeepc: some structural distribution changes, but basically the dev story on meego is qt, qt, qt. (and qt-mobility) all of which are available in the same versions on maemo | 07:07 |
| Ousama | some caveats? | 07:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asj: fairy snuff - all basic linux-like? | 07:07 |
| asj | jpinx-eeepc: yup, minor distro updates is all | 07:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | cool :) | 07:08 |
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| asj | maybe some rpm/deb issues <shrug> | 07:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asj - just the usual ;) | 07:09 |
| asj | exactly, hopefully the hardware will be better | 07:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what's the latest on USB implementation - I have read lots of lists and forums about it | 07:09 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | looked like a pretty major amount of kernel hacking/patching was needed | 07:10 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | </yawn> | 08:52 |
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| senge | psycho_oreos: hey! | 08:58 |
| psycho_oreos | senge, yo, whats news? | 08:58 |
| senge | psycho_oreos: lol! you convinced me to buy n900, i'll get it 2moro! | 08:59 |
| senge | :) | 08:59 |
| psycho_oreos | senge, its not a bad choice, its not too great but if you love tinkering I don't think you'll regret your purchase that quickly :) | 08:59 |
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| senge | the concept is cool i think! computer with calling facility! | 09:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | well its not exactly a computer but if you want to call it that I suppose you can | 09:03 |
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| ham5 | adding a waypoint or marker on the maps??? | 09:15 |
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| ilius | how to define bookmark places in Ovi Maps? | 09:17 |
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| ilius | someone saied about PUBS. what is it? | 09:17 |
| ilius | *said | 09:17 |
| ham5 | bookmark places huh | 09:18 |
| ham5 | probly the answer to my q | 09:18 |
| ilius | ham5: :-D | 09:19 |
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| ilius | and I wish ovi maps was open source :-( | 09:19 |
| ham5 | or something opensource was comparable ;) | 09:20 |
| ilius | what's the license of AGTL? | 09:21 |
| ilius | ovi maps is also too slow and has bad interface | 09:22 |
| jpinx | moan moan moan | 09:23 |
| ilius | hmmm AGTL is not under the Beerware license | 09:23 |
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| DangerMaus | haha' | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | we talkin the non-free Beerware or the free one? | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | senge: congrats! welcome to the Nxxx club :-) | 09:33 |
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| senge | DocScrutinizer: tomorrow! thanks :) | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | take good care about your micro-usb receptacle! | 09:34 |
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| ilius | is beerware license a joke? is it Public Domain? | 09:35 |
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| ilius | someone may want to move code from a beerware code to a gpl code, without adding that funny message | 09:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ilius: dare!! The Bavarian beerware liberation and enforcement army will raid all over you | 09:39 |
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| ilius | DocScrutinizer: really?? | 09:41 |
| ilius | DocScrutinizer: :-D | 09:41 |
| ilius | DocScrutinizer: no it can't :P | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't mess with beer, or at least don't let anybody know here where I live X-P | 09:42 |
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| ilius | DocScrutinizer: they can not do anything even if they know my location! | 09:43 |
| ilius | DocScrutinizer: :P | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Here human rights are dfined like "Good beer, bread (or bretzel), air to breathe, stay alive..." in that order of importance | 09:44 |
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| ilius | DocScrutinizer: i still didn't understand if keeping the message is serious or no! | 09:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly I have no f c what you're talking about at all ;-) | 09:46 |
| ilius | .... it is effectively in the Public Domain .... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Beerware | 09:46 |
| ieatlint | beer always supercedes the the necessity of staying alive | 09:47 |
| ilius | is this license compatible with GPLv2 ? | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:49 |
| ieatlint | ilius, it states on that page even that it is GPL compatible | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a "keep this (c) notice and do whatever you want" licence | 09:50 |
| ilius | silly | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's much better than GPL even | 09:50 |
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| ilius | depends on how you define "better" | 09:51 |
| ieatlint | yes, i should start adding that to software i write | 09:51 |
| ieatlint | or a revision thereof | 09:51 |
| ieatlint | "buy me beer commensurate with the quality of code" | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | better as in 'allows more degrees of freedom in the way to deal with it" | 09:51 |
| ieatlint | so i get punished for writing code that gets me budweiser | 09:52 |
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| ilius | then public domain is the best | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ilius: no, beer is the best (if it's frankonian beer) | 09:53 |
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| ilius | DocScrutinizer: thats not related to software | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | public domain also isn't exactly related to software. It's a tag attached to a concept | 09:56 |
| ilius | stallman: free as in "free software" is like free as in "free speech" not in "free beer" | 09:56 |
| ilius | :P | 09:56 |
| ilius | rms the great | 09:57 |
| ieatlint | free speech is my right to speak, free software is my right to software? | 09:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer yeeps like a dog got stepped on its tail, seing RMS being mentioned | 09:57 | |
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| ieatlint | that makes no sense... which is on par for the guy | 09:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~trout ilius | 09:58 |
| * infobot slaps ilius around a bit with a large trout! | 09:58 | |
| ilius | :-/ | 09:59 |
| ieatlint | verbification weirds nouns | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | even *IF* we want to discuss that stall-man quote, it's clearly referring to *your* usage of the software wghere you anticipate it is completely free of charge, offered to you like "free beer". It's NOT about beer you just MAY offer to the developer | 10:00 |
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| ilius | DocScrutinizer: you can write propritary software and sell it, the buy much beer with its money | 10:00 |
| ilius | *then | 10:00 |
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| ilius | :-D | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry you lost me, and tbh this is boring me | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please take it to #sophism | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or rather go and buy the developer dude a beer :-P | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | as obviously even the 3 lines of licence comment he put in there made you think about licencing that much I'd say he earned a beer at least for that | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're studying for lawyer bachelor? | 10:06 |
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| ieatlint | lol... there's such thing as an "xor linked list" | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: wut? | 10:13 |
| ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xor_linked_list | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | must be activeX | 10:13 |
| ieatlint | it seems half like a joke | 10:13 |
| ieatlint | "how far are you willing to go to save 4 bytes per node?" is really the basis of it | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, so along the line of "why use an array of ints, when we can have a dictionary of pointers to list of structures" | 10:15 |
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| ieatlint | hehe | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | forgot to add second half of sentence: "... to show all the world our coding awesomeness" | 10:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | substitute last two words by any number of other attributes considered particularly splendid, like "eternal leetness" or whatever | 10:24 |
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| ilius | http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/product-support/x6-16gb/how-to/ovi-maps/use-ovi-maps | 10:27 |
| ilius | this version of ovi maps, seem to have favorite places! | 10:28 |
| ilius | Menu > Applications > Location and Landmarks -> New landmark | 10:29 |
| ilius | why this does not exist in n900 | 10:29 |
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| ilius | :-( | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | because the AskNokia factor | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/se /se of / | 10:31 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: because of the AskNokia factor | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 10:32 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically it's like asking "why is windows XYZ not existing for Windows Mobile" (e.g. windows VB) | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the tag windows/OVI doesn't mean anything regarding the actual product properties | 10:36 |
| psycho_oreos | windows bob | 10:36 |
| ham5 | I like windows bob | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | windoze boob? | 10:37 |
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| ieatlint | i like microsoft kin | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I really don't care to learn what it is! | 10:37 |
| psycho_oreos | that's probably why the product failed to fly, for every 1 person that likes bob, there's at least 10 people that didn't like bob :p | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know Steve and Bill, but I wish I'd not, and for sure I don't want to learn to know Bob | 10:41 |
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| doublem | hi | 10:41 |
| doublem | i need help configuring with my 5800 please | 10:42 |
| doublem | thabks al o | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | though without incredible performance of Steve B. we never got the legendary balmer rap on youtube ;-P | 10:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | don't forget about Paul, whos now making himself popular again | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | doublem: this isn't a generic Nokia support chan | 10:43 |
| doublem | well i just need a bit help to get started | 10:43 |
| doublem | I would be thankful | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | tried nokia forums? | 10:43 |
| doublem | what is it otherwise DocScrutinizer | 10:43 |
| doublem | well where? sorry google did not help me much.... | 10:44 |
| psycho_oreos | its for NIT tablets discussion, 770, n800, n810 and n900 | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/intro/ | 10:44 |
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| doublem | thank you | 10:45 |
| psycho_oreos | www.forum.nokia.com :p | 10:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wake Europe | 10:47 |
| * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on Europe and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" | 10:47 | |
| doublem | psycho_oreos, I was there but i am lost cant really find what i am looking far | 10:47 |
| doublem | sorry | 10:47 |
| doublem | *for | 10:47 |
| doublem | where is the 5800 section | 10:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | doublem, you create a general help thread for 5800, and someone will guide you | 10:48 |
| psycho_oreos | this isn't the place to ask for help on how to use forums in general :p | 10:48 |
| doublem | i know you guys are an open source community | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | particularly not about symbian related forums :-P | 10:48 |
| psycho_oreos | our devices aren't feeblishly underpowered :) | 10:49 |
| doublem | i like android a lot but have trouble doing this nokia because it is all locked up | 10:49 |
| psycho_oreos | and android discussions goes into #android | 10:49 |
| doublem | can you put the maemo software on the nokia 5800 xpress music | 10:50 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or *maybe* #nitdroid | 10:50 |
| doublem | or is maemo an os? | 10:50 |
| doublem | too bad i would of love it | 10:50 |
| doublem | well i go to cyanogen mod | 10:50 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo is an OS, and its specifically for nokia internet tablets whom are equipped with much better hardware | 10:50 |
| doublem | that is what i use for android | 10:50 |
| doublem | ha I see my bad | 10:50 |
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| ham5 | except the ti gps chip | 10:51 |
| doublem | mind if i ask whic tablet sorry | 10:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | n900 is an exception, it not only has internet tablet capability, it can also make receive phone calls along with sms, etc | 10:51 |
| psycho_oreos | I've said it above | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/intro/ | 10:52 |
| psycho_oreos | except for the broadcrap bluetooth chipset as well but alas | 10:52 |
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| doublem | my bad sorry about making you guys repeating yourself | 10:52 |
| doublem | well thanks for the help anyway | 10:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer installs a battery of MTHEL along #maemo borders... "phooo, now we should be safe" | 10:55 | |
| doublem | the os is based on debian that seems cool | 10:56 |
| doublem | any screenshot on that site | 10:56 |
| doublem | am browsing seems nice with a table | 10:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | one demo of n900 and you'll probably be swept away | 10:57 |
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| ham5 | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=36439&page=105 | 10:57 |
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| doublem | i like debian a lot started linux with ubuntu like 5 years back | 10:58 |
| doublem | wow ham5 some of those screens are really nice | 10:58 |
| psycho_oreos | so.. what's stopping you now from selling that 5800 of yours and getting n900? | 10:58 |
| psycho_oreos | *evil grin* | 10:59 |
| ham5 | fact that he still couldent save a 'landmark' :\ | 10:59 |
| doublem | how much time to get one of those from a stock n900 | 10:59 |
| doublem | psycho_oreos, lazyness ^^ | 10:59 |
| psycho_oreos | doublem, .. poor excuse | 11:00 |
| doublem | i know that is my point | 11:00 |
| doublem | stability | 11:00 |
| doublem | is another excuse | 11:00 |
| psycho_oreos | linux is stable | 11:00 |
| doublem | how stable is maemo | 11:00 |
| doublem | depends how you run it | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | 11:01 |
| psycho_oreos | it just depends on how you treat it, install crappy unstable packages and expect the setup to break | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LThD0FMvTFU | 11:01 |
| doublem | i have a skill to make it unstable, very unstable | 11:01 |
| doublem | that is why symbian is maybe good sometime | 11:01 |
| psycho_oreos | then don't :) unless you know what you are doing and you intend to do it like that | 11:01 |
| doublem | and theyrah | 11:01 |
| psycho_oreos | in other words you like to be controlled? | 11:01 |
| doublem | sorry | 11:01 |
| doublem | yeah sometimes depends for what | 11:02 |
| psycho_oreos | in symbian, the device _owns_ you | 11:02 |
| doublem | i know | 11:02 |
| doublem | i have seen that | 11:02 |
| psycho_oreos | in maemo, you _own_ the device, the device and bows down as soon as you become god | 11:02 |
| doublem | also the 5800 was a gift from family | 11:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | crap gift | 11:02 |
| doublem | i cant get rid of it like this | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: yes, but the screen is made of cocaine | 11:03 |
| Khertan1 | Hello all ! | 11:03 |
| doublem | what can I say eh | 11:03 |
| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, you meant the symbian stuff eh? :) | 11:03 |
| doublem | psycho_oreos, probably what he meant... | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: no, n900 | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:03 |
| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, can't see it being made of cocaine, or I'd imagine it'd be hard trying to smuggle drugs across international borders | 11:04 |
| psycho_oreos | inspection dogs will be on it in no time | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: i have heavy duty n900 addiction, must have come from somewhere | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, yes from being in here for quite sometime :) its a disease ;) | 11:05 |
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| crashanddie | I hate filesystems | 11:05 |
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| crashanddie | No, you can't use time machine because the hard drive isn't HFS+ | 11:05 |
| crashanddie | No, you can't convert your NTFS 1TB drive to HFS+ without losing all the data | 11:06 |
| crashanddie | No, I can't read to NTFS partitions | 11:06 |
| doublem | do an sftp | 11:06 |
| Flyser | use proper operating systems | 11:07 |
| Khertan1 | ntfs isn't a filesystem | 11:07 |
| doublem | mount the TB elsewhere | 11:07 |
| Khertan1 | it s a just a method to loose data | 11:07 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | granulated data | 11:07 |
| doublem | what does fs in "ntfs" meam then Khertan1 | 11:07 |
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| doublem | but i agree it sucks otherwise | 11:08 |
| Khertan1 | fucked system | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | fucked setup | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:08 |
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| Khertan1 | No This isn't a FS | 11:08 |
| doublem | lol i agree but more like fuckedfile system | 11:08 |
| Khertan1 | Nope This is a Fucked System | 11:08 |
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| doublem | ok | 11:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Not The Fucked System | 11:09 |
| doublem | winblows eh? | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't seriously consider using an OS produced by a company run by such a monkey | 11:11 |
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| doublem | i can if i knew nothing about computing, but that is not case so....... no | 11:12 |
| psycho_oreos | it'd be an abysmal excuse to be a blonde when you have tried ubuntu :p | 11:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | surely a blonde would do better than that ;) | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | windows == http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE Same spirit in both of them XP | 11:13 |
| doublem | i agree | 11:13 |
| Flyser | lol "I like when he says 'developers'" | 11:14 |
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| doublem | i am not a dev but an environmental engineer | 11:15 |
| doublem | use archlinux everyday tough | 11:15 |
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| doublem | so am not that retarded | 11:15 |
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| doublem | am on it as we speak actually | 11:16 |
| doublem | hate windows actually | 11:16 |
| psycho_oreos | ._. | 11:16 |
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| doublem | but do use it when i dont have a choice... | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, shooting yourself in the forehead isn't always an alternative, though sometimes I consider it when confronted with the need of using windows | 11:19 |
| doublem | yeah | 11:21 |
| doublem | well like for school the prof wants matlab i offer an open source | 11:22 |
| doublem | he says no what can i say | 11:22 |
| doublem | just run matlab in windows in a virtual box | 11:23 |
| doublem | pretty much | 11:23 |
| doublem | that is what i do | 11:23 |
| Flyser | does matlab work in wineß | 11:24 |
| doublem | nice | 11:25 |
| doublem | never tried but vm work fine on mine | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/requirements.html | 11:25 |
| Flyser | I prefer not to own windows licenese | 11:25 |
| Flyser | licenses | 11:25 |
| Flyser | lol^^ | 11:26 |
| doublem | i dont | 11:26 |
| doublem | school gives them to me for free | 11:26 |
| doublem | so why say no | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause working with windoze drills holes into your neocortex | 11:27 |
| Flyser | exactly^^ | 11:27 |
| doublem | well yeah but they will say that is not an excuse and wont look further | 11:28 |
| Dassu | doublem: wtf, matlab works on linux | 11:28 |
| doublem | and because i care more about my grades than open source that is why i do it.... | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then sue them for not making good use of public funding, as there are better more economic alternatives than M$, esp for educational purposes | 11:29 |
| doublem | wtf Dassu, said i did not try it it.... | 11:29 |
| Dassu | kk | 11:29 |
| doublem | privately funded and am not rich enough to sue my school and dont want to put the effort into it | 11:30 |
| Dassu | Well, my school in the other hand offers a possibility to do matlab exercises in the Linux class | 11:30 |
| doublem | nice where is that? | 11:31 |
| Dassu | :( In Finland | 11:31 |
| doublem | lol | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | then simply install buntkuh with win7 theme and matlab-linux on your engine, and laugh at the prof when he gets puzzled going outside of matlap app and not exactly finding stuff to work like HE expected | 11:31 |
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| doublem | why does it not suprise me that you use a nokia then Dassu | 11:32 |
| doublem | yeah DocScrutinizer but the matlab licence is not free | 11:32 |
| doublem | i do not own the licence that is my point | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, but maybe convertable | 11:33 |
| doublem | they dont give the numbers to me | 11:34 |
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| doublem | well i could get an illegal licence as well | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not even be surprised about the linux version happily running on the windows licence key | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FFS | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 11:36 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.08.30 0820 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.77 in. Hg (1008 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 44 F (7 C); Visibility: 5 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prepare for a particularly grumpy doc today! | 11:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean what an August is THAT (on northern hemisphere) | 11:38 |
| doublem | alright guys bed time thanks for help and nice talking to you guys | 11:38 |
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| seif_ | hey guys | 11:47 |
| seif_ | is there portrait mode available for maemo | 11:47 |
| seif_ | ? | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | yes partially.. not available for the desktop | 11:47 |
| Flyser | seif_: some applications work in portrait mode, some not | 11:48 |
| Flyser | some do not* | 11:48 |
| seif_ | sad | 11:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | why? so can show it off to your iphone friends and be cool? | 11:49 |
| sergio__ | salve | 11:49 |
| sergio__ | !list | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | !wut¿ | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | he's probably looking for warez | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ ~ | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~~ | 11:51 |
| Corsac | maemo_5_fremantle_5.3_with-xxx-portrait-xxx.rar ? | 11:51 |
| sergio__ | !canali | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 11:51 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | !RTFM¡ | 11:51 |
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| Corsac | ~pong | 11:53 |
| infobot | ~ping | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: warez are found at OVI :-P | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I think they exist everywhere :) | 11:56 |
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| stef_204 | hi, does anyone know whether installing the community build Mozilla Firefox Mobile on the N900 will interfere with the default N900 browser? Or will it nicely install side-by-side and run side-by-side? | 12:37 |
| Sickki | it nicely install side-by-side and run side-by-side | 12:37 |
| stef_204 | Sickki: ok, great. tx | 12:38 |
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| trumee | guys, when a Tv-out cable is plugged into N900, is the audio not routed to the tv? | 12:45 |
| lcuk | trumee, that would be silly. the audio is sent to tv | 12:46 |
| trumee | lcuk: My n900 doesnt detect the tv-out cable? | 12:46 |
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| trumee | lcuk: it sees the headphone fine. | 12:46 |
| lcuk | thats not the first time that might occur. or your cables are not plugged in correctly? | 12:46 |
| * lcuk has to switch to correct av | 12:47 | |
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| trumee | lcuk: what do you suggest i need to do? | 12:47 |
| trumee | lcuk: i dont have a TV around, only N900 and cable. Does N900 actuall y sense the TV? | 12:48 |
| bince | hi guys does any one knw how to get started for developing apps for nokia n900,i have experience in workin with PyGTK will that help,i am new to MAEMO family,pls i need help | 12:48 |
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| bince | i need to develop an app based on its accelerometer hardware,can any one suggest what all things i need to for developing in maemo under windows os | 12:50 |
| lcuk | trumee, should do | 12:50 |
| lcuk | unless you are stodd infront of hundreds of people | 12:50 |
| lcuk | stood | 12:50 |
| trumee | shouldnt the N900 detect the tv-out cable. I am play audio using media player mplayer and the audio is still being routed through the speakers | 12:50 |
| trumee | i do get [94191.079589] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected in dmesg | 12:51 |
| bince | can anyone suggest atleast some website to start with other than maemo.org | 12:51 |
| trumee | So N900 does see the cable. But media-player still routes music via speakers. And headphone-daemon doesnt kick in. | 12:52 |
| trumee | can somebody do me a favour. can they plug in their tv-out cable without the tv and check whether media-player routes audio trhough the speakers or not. | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm using exactly that setup all the time | 12:54 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean, N900 speakers switch off when cable is plugged in? | 12:55 |
| lcuk | trumee, if theres nothing connected to the other end, I don't think theres anything to detect | 12:55 |
| lcuk | bare uncomplete circuit (even in cable form) is not the same as connected | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: yes | 12:55 |
| trumee | lcuk: ah, you mean N900 detects the TV presence? | 12:55 |
| lcuk | circuit completion sounds more feasible | 12:55 |
| lcuk | i dont think it does anything until you actually plug both ends in - with headphones the circuit is complete | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: only for mic/cvbas | 12:56 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: lcuk seems to suggest circuit needs to be complete. You are suggesting the opposite? | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | Output jack acts as a switch. | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure there's no detection of any form for the headphone stereo out, and the yellow video plug is opencircuit for my usecase | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: exactly | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | [94191.079589] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | All other workings are controlled by software, iirc. | 12:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes, i get that as well in dmesg. But N900 speakers carry on playing audio. | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a bug then | 12:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: If i plug a headphone, then the speakers stops. | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm weird | 12:59 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: could you check that with your tv cable? | 13:00 |
| lcuk | i have tvout cable now, n900 is playing movie and sound out of speakers and bare cable is plugged in | 13:00 |
| lcuk | sound goes off when i plug the yellow cable into tv | 13:00 |
| trumee | lcuk: ah! | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: I do it all the time, no need to check again | 13:00 |
| jani | doc, how does the headphoned work then ? it has to get some sort of info that headphones are plugged or not plugged. | 13:00 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: lcuk just checked it, it does need a TV at the other end. | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'll check again, to do you a favour | 13:01 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) | 13:01 |
| lcuk | mind you my device is the one that acted odd *futzed* | 13:02 |
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| trumee | lcuk: what do you mean? | 13:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, ok, I'm not using TV cable but a custom 3pole -> 2 x RCA adapter | 13:03 |
| lcuk | nm trumee | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: so you can short yellow plug with some tinfoil | 13:03 |
| lcuk | noooooo that will screw with his head | 13:03 |
| trumee | lcuk, crap i just did that! | 13:04 |
| lcuk | the waves travelling through his hat ! | 13:04 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i hope it did not screw the ic inside? | 13:04 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ? | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: no way | 13:07 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks, i am relieved. | 13:07 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: So, why does it work differently than your custom rca cable? | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's a 3pole 3.5mm plug, not a 4pole like on TV-cable | 13:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so the 'yellow ring' is implicitly shorted to GND | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:10 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks for clearing that. | 13:10 |
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| trumee | lcuk, thanks for testing with the cable. I know now that the behaviour is as expected. | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for correcting my knowledge base | 13:11 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: np | 13:11 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so now, when i use my normal nokia headphones on laptop | 13:12 |
| lcuk | i have to press the mic button to get it to work in stereo | 13:12 |
| lcuk | otherwise i lose half the audio | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | oO | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | so it has tv detection | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | but you just said it has | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has incredibly stupid GND connection on receptacle | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | 12:00 < lcuk> sound goes off when i plug the yellow cable into tv | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | well, not you | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: aah you're back to N900 - yes of course, it's obvious | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk's laptop however has no TV-detection but a borked receptacle | 13:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, different issue :P | 13:16 |
| lcuk | its just headphones | 13:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what a weird state N900 thinks it's in wrt AV-connector, when using AV-cable without yellow cvbs out connected | 13:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly that makes no sense at all | 13:17 |
| lcuk | i cant check cos i moved again | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | short it | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | the yellow | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - strictly - connect an impedence under a couple of hundred R | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 13:29 |
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| ebzzry | Is there a way to suppress the default camera application from running when the camera cover is slid out? | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | DON'T CUT THE YELLOW WIRE | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | CUT THE BLACK ONE OR IT WILL EXPLODE | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | RED | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | BLACK | 13:30 |
| Dassu | blue | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | ebzzry: yes | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ebzzry: you redefine the HAL key or somerthing | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - put tape over the sensor. | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Or remove the battery. | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | bottom | 13:32 |
| ilius | wikimapia.org maps are excelent, i wish i could use it in my n900 | 13:36 |
| Dassu | :( | 13:36 |
| obsidieth | link? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | ilius, wikimapia looks heavy on my laptop can you turn off the highlighting boundary layers | 13:38 |
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| ilius | SpeedEvil: n900 browser could not open | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Could not open what? | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | wikimapia is just google map satellite | 13:42 |
| ilius | SpeedEvil: could not open http://wikimapia.org | 13:43 |
| ilius | SpeedEvil: and it seems heavy for it | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 13:45 |
| ilius | SpeedEvil: is wikimapia illegal in uk? | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ilius: For some values of illegal, yes. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | They are using googles satellite imagery, in ways they have explicitly told other projects they can't. | 13:46 |
| kerio | so it's a breach of contract | 13:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: No - it's a breach of copyright. | 13:48 |
| kerio | oh :< | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | As you are not complying with the copyright license. | 13:48 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, they can have keys from google api | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. | 13:49 |
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| * ilius contributing on www.openstreetmap.org | 13:52 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to finish off the housenumbers in my village. | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | But no energy. | 13:52 |
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| ilius | SpeedEvil: where are you? | 14:02 |
| ilius | it there a way to download and cache wikimapia maps for offline use | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland. | 14:03 |
| ilius | *is | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idrea. | 14:04 |
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| iPeter- | Hi | 14:15 |
| iPeter- | Whats wrong with my device | 14:15 |
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| iPeter- | i installed power user kernel from repos, and now i try to shut down the device, it says it is in usb cable, even its not.. | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5552#c26 >>Fixed for Harmattan (the version after Maemo5). | 14:16 |
| povbot` | Bug 5552: When being called it is not clear what number someone used | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if I wouldn't know better, I'd say this indicates "maemo not (yet) dead" | 14:16 |
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| iPeter- | :o | 14:17 |
| iPeter- | How should i reboot my phone now | 14:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ssh in, 'root', 'reboot' | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean the device is off? | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Or on? | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | and what anout USB? | 14:21 |
| iPeter- | Device is on, i just installed power kernel on it and i want to do reboot to get that kernel enabled. | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | short-press power buttopn | 14:21 |
| Duckboot | The battery needs air.. | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | switch off | 14:22 |
| Duckboot | \o/ | 14:22 |
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| iPeter- | SpeedEvil: Says same "Device is in use on usb" ... | 14:22 |
| BCMM | oh, you mean you aren't running the new kernel yet? | 14:23 |
| iPeter- | No not yet. | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | unplug USB | 14:23 |
| iPeter- | it is unplugged! :D | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | then plug it in and unplug it | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe it's confusred | 14:23 |
| iPeter- | Tried, no help. | 14:23 |
| iPeter- | should i remove battery? eh :E | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | trhen long-press of power button to reset it | 14:23 |
| iPeter- | huh | 14:24 |
| BCMM | in thinks it is in mass-storage mode, right? | 14:24 |
| BCMM | ^it | 14:24 |
| iPeter- | Got it, i did put usb cable again in, unplugged it and then pressed longpress on powerbutton. | 14:24 |
| zap_ | Whats this idiocy about WiFi setup on n900? What button do I have to press and where? My switch has no buttons. | 14:24 |
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| iPeter- | My n900 have been really really laggy on few last days. | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | zap: So go and set the password/... | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | You can do that too | 14:25 |
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| zap | Where? | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | settings -> internet connections | 14:25 |
| zap | aha, thanks | 14:25 |
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| BCMM | iPeter-: have you had a look at top to see if you can see why? | 14:25 |
| iPeter- | trackerd and tracker-indexer | 14:26 |
| iPeter- | those takes cpy 90% | 14:26 |
| iPeter- | cpu* | 14:26 |
| zap | ohoh, how do I enter the character "<" into the password field? | 14:27 |
| kerio | iPeter-: edit the tracker config file | 14:27 |
| kerio | set it to throttle 20 | 14:27 |
| iPeter- | kerio: Wherehow :o | 14:27 |
| BCMM | tracker is the thing that indexes media files, right? | 14:27 |
| kerio | BCMM: yep | 14:27 |
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| BCMM | i didn't know about the config file, can i restrict it to a specified directory? | 14:28 |
| kerio | yes | 14:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, since this is more your street, how would something like this be handled and is it possible (since we are working on nokia devices..) to do this legally http://liqbase.net/liq.20100830_nokia3210.png | 14:28 |
| kerio | enable/disable paths, enable/disable removable media indexing, reduce the throttle, set it to low memory mode | 14:28 |
| lcuk | as an app for n900 | 14:28 |
| kerio | there's no UI to do that | 14:28 |
| iPeter- | kerio: Where the config file is located | 14:29 |
| kerio | ~/.config/somewhere | 14:29 |
| iPeter- | :E | 14:29 |
| BCMM | ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg presumably | 14:30 |
| iPeter- | Ill take a look. | 14:30 |
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| kerio | enable LowMemoryMode, set throttle to 20 | 14:31 |
| kerio | it's enough for me | 14:31 |
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| kerio | i also removed recaller's dir | 14:31 |
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| iPeter- | kerio: LowMemoryMode=false | 14:32 |
| kerio | well set it to true | 14:32 |
| kerio | :) | 14:32 |
| kerio | i wish i could just tell tracker to stfu | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | you can. | 14:32 |
| lcuk | then solve mediaplayer problem afterwards | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But then media player doesn't work | 14:33 |
| iPeter- | ffuu- | 14:33 |
| iPeter- | Im confused. | 14:33 |
| iPeter- | What to do? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | idk whats your problem | 14:33 |
| kerio | iPeter-: set throttle to 20, enable lowmemorymode | 14:33 |
| iPeter- | trackerd takes too much cpu | 14:34 |
| kerio | then reboot | 14:34 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, whats it doing | 14:34 |
| iPeter- | kerio: But does mediaplayer work after it | 14:34 |
| lcuk | a full reindex? | 14:34 |
| lcuk | or all the time continuous | 14:34 |
| lcuk | forever | 14:34 |
| lcuk | ie might you just let it finish its scan | 14:34 |
| lcuk | and then it should go back to idle | 14:34 |
| iPeter- | Well dunno, im seeking whats doing laggy of my device, last one was trackerd.. | 14:35 |
| lcuk | had you just put new media on device? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | movies photos mem card etc? | 14:35 |
| iPeter- | Well ok, ill leave it like this, i dont wanna break my player | 14:35 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: nope | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | iPeter-, give it the benefit of doubt to scan and look again and consider options kerio offered for later | 14:36 |
| lcuk | but just jumping and changing instantly might not be best | 14:36 |
| ilius | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android | 14:36 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: Okay. Thanks of info. Ill leave it to default but if it does still do that even i dont add music/media to it, ill change settings. | 14:37 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:37 | |
| lcuk | seems reasonable | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ilius: What? | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ilius: There are a few OSM apps that will run on the n900 and let you download maps. maep springs to mind. | 14:39 |
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| ilius | SpeedEvil: really? | 14:40 |
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| ilius | SpeedEvil: which is the best? | 14:42 |
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| ShadowJK | ffs | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | modal dialogs should be banned | 14:43 |
| lcuk | [Yes]/[NO] | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | aren't they? | 14:43 |
| * ShadowJK can't tap ut away, and can't switch to another app | 14:44 | |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i disable calls on the N900? | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | i even tried opening camera slider and powerbutton->phone thing | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Flight mode? | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | without disabling 3G | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way dude, except maybe with starhash wizardry | 14:44 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, tabletmode? | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | corrupting the phone app is one way, not easily fixed though | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, kills 3G data | 14:45 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Be an ass everytime anyone calls you - eventually noone calls you? | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | redirect calls to nonexistant number? :> | 14:45 |
| lcuk | ahh i thought it allowed data through | 14:45 |
| lcuk | ie, just blocked sms call | 14:45 |
| lcuk | sms+call | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: won't help for outbound | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | i just want to kill inbound | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, no it's like offline mode except it only offlines cellular | 14:45 |
| zap | Are there any known problems with connecting N900 to a WPA-PSK router? Doesn't work for me (correct password), while N810 connects just fine. | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then just redirect everything to foobar | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | how? | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, sure, just a misunderstanding of difference | 14:46 |
| lcuk | i was really surprised and pleased to see that mode | 14:46 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, i guess you need starhash enabler and enter the magic code that barrs all calls | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Phone config. | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | i doubt magic codes work on IL orange | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Is basic GSM ;) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | **21*555000111# | 14:47 |
| lcuk | morning X-Fade \o | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | hi | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i disable forwarding? | 14:48 |
| lcuk | you left a msg last week, i didnt have anything on cos I was a bit poorly, its on now | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | #21# | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | says Value not expected | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the unconditional forwarding only | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | #002# for disabling ALL forward, iirc | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | Uncoditional divert registered | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | ty | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | do i get any notice that someone called? | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i used an old dead number | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 14:50 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess diverting to voicemail would be clever | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Shadikka, value not expected | 14:53 |
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| Shadikka | :| | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: also usually works on most providers and plans | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | while forwarding to any other number might either be blocked or even cost money, even to non existent numbers | 14:59 |
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| vanadis | hi | 15:00 |
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| vanadis | Formatting /dev/mmcblk1p1 (vfat) ...Failure. Bailing out. | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | yay! Just 50 more gigabytes to copy! | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | I never thought I would say this: 20MB/second is slow | 15:03 |
| * lcuk laughs as someone makes a "cut and colour" hair appointment for me in australia | 15:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | vanadis: card borked? | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | vanadis: new one? | 15:07 |
| vanadis | dunno | 15:07 |
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| vanadis | it's an old one from my N86 | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:07 |
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| vanadis | maybe reformating by ubuntu will do the trick | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 15:07 |
| kerio | in ext3! | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | also a dd if=/dev/zero usually does wonders both to test and to wipe any oddities | 15:08 |
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| zap | Nice, nokia firmware downloader doesn't recognize my IMEI. Now what do I do? | 15:12 |
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| crashanddie | zap: type it correctly | 15:13 |
| zap | I did, four times | 15:13 |
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| crashanddie | what's the number you're typing? | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | give the 6 first numbers | 15:13 |
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| zap | 356938 | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | wrong | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | it should start with 00:26 | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | you're supposed to type the mac address, not the IMEI, I thought | 15:14 |
| zap | I can make a shot it for you :) | 15:14 |
| zap | it's the mac for N810, for N900 it's IMEI | 15:15 |
| zap | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 15:16 |
| zap | Ah fsck, I'm not supposed to enter the slashes | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | indeed, imei, mine works though | 15:16 |
| zap | sorry, I'm a dummy | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | zap: go to settings > about product | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | zap: the IMEI is in full numbers without slashes or anything | 15:16 |
| zap | it worked already, sorry and thanks for help | 15:16 |
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| zap | Ahem... what's "eMMC content"? The content of the internal card? | 15:19 |
| zap | Can I flash just "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" and ignore the "eMMC" image? | 15:20 |
| vanadis | formatting worked | 15:20 |
| kerio | zap: if you want to reflash the rootfs | 15:20 |
| kerio | i'd say download both anyway | 15:20 |
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| zap | I see here a warning in red about the eMMC image... will it brick my device if I do something wrong? | 15:21 |
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| X-Fade | zap: What does the warning say? :) | 15:21 |
| zap | "NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first ,.,, blah blah" | 15:21 |
| steinex | mauku-widget is in an upgrade-loop somehow | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | did you flash the fiasco image first? | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | zap: And why do you have an idea you should not follow that? | 15:22 |
| steinex | even after upgrading, it is upgradable again.. | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: "Hi, there's a warning on my medication that I should only take 2 every 24 hours, can I take 4?" | 15:22 |
| zap | X-Fade: because I can't understand how it works :) I'm always tempted not to do something I don't understand | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | zap: On first boot, a lot of rootfs files get moved to opt. | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | zap: Which is located on emmc. | 15:23 |
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| zap | aha, that makes sense | 15:23 |
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| zap | what the ~180Mb image contains? (not the eMMC one) | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | the rootfs | 15:24 |
| zap | and eMMC image? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | no | 15:24 |
| zap | (which is about 256Mb) | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | 180Mb image contains more than just rootfs | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | modem firmware and bootloader | 15:24 |
| zap | if I understand it correctly, its zimage, initfs and some rootfs stub | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | bootloader, modem firmware. | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | main 1st and 2nd stage bootloader | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | kernel | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | rootfs | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | "Flashing the eMMC and rootfs on your N900 will completely reset the device to factory settings, reverting everything to factory settings, including /home, but again, excepting the external memory." | 15:25 |
| zap | and eMMC image contains just rootfs files? | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | "When flashing the eMMC, all user-created content must also be backed up manually to an external location in order to be preserved (i.e. computer or microSD). The eMMC image will contain the factory setting files and folders (.documents, .images, icons, etc.)." | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | no, that's part of fiasco image | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: well, there is stuff in cal that's left alone even when doing full flash | 15:26 |
| zap | eMMC = external MMC or what? | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | zap: internal 32G memory | 15:26 |
| zap | ah, e stands for internal, dumb me | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: yeah, like the lock code, etc | 15:26 |
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| jacekowski | no | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | that's stand for memory type | 15:26 |
| zap | aha | 15:26 |
| zap | it's just a chip soldered there, or its a real card btw? | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | chip | 15:27 |
| zap | and it's on a SD/MMC bus? | 15:27 |
| zap | ah of course, it's /dev/mmcblk* | 15:27 |
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| jacekowski | and e stands for Embedded | 15:28 |
| zap | thanks for answering my stupid questions :) | 15:28 |
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| kerio | i should really fix my romset :< | 15:33 |
| kerio | do you think i can fit 250 gb of chds and roms on the n900? | 15:34 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: sure, if you have a 320GB uSD card | 15:35 |
| kerio | do they exist? :o | 15:35 |
| pupnik | http://school.anhb.uwa.edu.au/personalpages/kwessen/web/images/emate300.jpg Before you tell me Apple products have great design, check out the Emate 300 | 15:35 |
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| kerio | pupnik: that ran the same code as the Newton, right? | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | zap: *COMBINED* is rootfs and stuff, you can flash without bothering about eMMC and without losing any data stored on eMMC. *VANILLA* is the eMMC image and you *always* need to flash it together with the *COMBINED* if you care to flash eMMC new | 15:36 |
| zap | DocScrutinizer: thanks for clarifying | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy, isn't it? :-) | 15:36 |
| zap | yes, after you said it :) | 15:36 |
| kerio | ~debian zap | 15:36 |
| * infobot tells zap to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 15:36 | |
| zap | there's an rtfm about it? | 15:37 |
| kerio | sure there is | 15:37 |
| kerio | on the maemo wiki | 15:37 |
| kerio | at least ;) | 15:37 |
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| zap | well anyway irc way is faster ;))) | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 15:37 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:37 |
| kerio | ~ubuntu zap | 15:37 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to zap in a way that causes zap to weep with gratitude that zap must read the fine, friendly manual | 15:37 | |
| pupnik | kerio: i guess so | 15:37 |
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| zap | k001, wiki explained I don't need to flash the eMMC image anyway. | 15:41 |
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| crashanddie | zap: tab fail | 15:48 |
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| iPeter- | Hmm, i were wondering how i can overclock my n900 after i installed power kernel :o | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: some people told me you need to lubricate the CPU with motorbike chain oil before attempting to overclock it | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: apparently, you can get over 300% extra heat dissipation from it | 15:50 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: :o Really? Cool. | 15:50 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: Ill try that. | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | I'm using "FlashWhite" chain oil (as that's what I use for my bike) | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | Haven't noticed any major difference, though. | 15:51 |
| iPeter- | Okay, where i can get that FlasWhite oil? | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | just go to your local Honda dealer, I guess | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | and by a CBF 125 while you're at it | 15:52 |
| iPeter- | Do i put the oil to under battery or wher? | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | definitely a good investment | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | also, guys, did you hear that the Oxford English Dictionary has decided to remove the word "gullible" from the definitions? | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | i'm using special mix with silver thermoconductive paste | 15:53 |
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| jacekowski | just have to be careful to don't short anything | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: by the way, if you actually did believe anything we said for the past 4 minutes, please forget it | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: overclocking will most probably kill your device, especially if you listen blindly to everyone like you just did | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | "listen blindly"? Interesting choice of words. | 15:55 |
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| crashanddie | if the guy is going down to the honda dealership to buy oil, I'm pissing myself | 15:57 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: I did add chain oil under my battery and my phone died. Ideas? | 15:57 |
| defragger | does anybody already test the nitdroid-installer? | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | defragger: yes | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | defragger: but they're most probably all idling in #nitdroid | 15:58 |
| defragger | what do i have to do with the memory card before installing? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: yep, there may just be a possibility to save you yet | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | defragger: as I said, go ask in #nitdroid | 15:58 |
| defragger | kk thanks | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | np | 15:59 |
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| crashanddie | oh the painful martyrdom of having a 300GB copy fail when there's 12MB left | 16:01 |
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| chem|st | defragger: did work for some didn't for me, I had to do the partitioning by hand everything else does work fine so far | 16:05 |
| chem|st | defragger: and NO there is no way of not repartitioning in the current version but it is worked on | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: haha | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: try some resuming protocol :-P | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: use a medical defibrilator, and an infusion of shampoo for greasy hair | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell iPeter- about omap-oc | 16:13 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, this is along the same lines as the calculator - ie in need of a core http://liqbase.net/liq.20100830_nokia3210.png | 16:13 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, clearly you need faster drives. | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: clearly | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, just strip out all the 0's from the data | 16:14 |
| lcuk | it will upload faster | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | can I do that with grep? | 16:15 |
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| loufoque | is there a way for games to install themselves to the eMMC? I'm out of memory on my rootfs | 16:16 |
| loufoque | and so, for example, westnoth refuses to install itself | 16:16 |
| chem|st | iPeter-: Pipe 5€, matches 50c, good home grown pot 10€... the world around you being pretty fast (and being stoned like forever)... priceless, for everything else there is MasterCard | 16:16 |
| drizztbsd | hi | 16:18 |
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| drizztbsd | is there any way to FORCE n900 to recharge using a standard microusb cable? | 16:18 |
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| Appiah | drizztbsd connect, select mass storage and or pc suite | 16:19 |
| Appiah | it should start charging | 16:19 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, usually there needs to be some sort of power source on the other end of the cable? | 16:19 |
| Appiah | what are you connecting to? | 16:19 |
| drizztbsd | cheap usb recharger | 16:19 |
| lcuk | but you could try rolling it up like a toothpaste tube to push the last few electrons out of it | 16:19 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, you say usb recharger | 16:20 |
| lcuk | you mean a little battery cell with a wire that goes in | 16:20 |
| lcuk | in which case, its possible that the little charger is simply not supplying enough juice | 16:20 |
| lcuk | try it with a new battery? | 16:20 |
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| * lcuk has a AA emergency charger that works with full battery but does nothing otherwise | 16:21 | |
| Appiah | drizztbsd is it a carcharger? | 16:21 |
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| chem|st | drizztbsd: the d+- arent crossed on those so the n900 wont charge | 16:23 |
| ebzzry | Is there an "Alt-Tab" functionality available yet? | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ebzzry: camkeyd | 16:24 |
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| ebzzry | SpeedEvil: will check | 16:24 |
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| drizztbsd | chem|st: so is it an hardware issue? | 16:27 |
| Appiah | can you tell us exactly what usb charger you do have drizztbsd ? | 16:27 |
| Appiah | makes things so much easier | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | drizztbsd: It's a hardware/software issue. | 16:30 |
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| n900-space | hey anyone got HP Pavilion dv2700 here ? | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The software will not configure the charger to properly charge from a device thart is not a USB host, and that does not conform to the USB charger specification. | 16:31 |
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| drizztbsd | SpeedEvil: uhm ok, I understand | 16:31 |
| drizztbsd | infact the htc of my collegue recharges without any throuble | 16:31 |
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| drizztbsd | it's only my n900 that does not want to charge | 16:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | HP is crap | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's many other phones that also won't do this. | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't suppose you have a soldering iron, and can open the charger? | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | then it's a trivial mod. | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | - you short the middle two pins of the connector | 16:33 |
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| * lcuk would never want to consider charger/power soldering mods as "trivial" | 16:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose not. | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I have in the past considered adding extra RAM to my laptop by desoldering the chipset, and soldering on extrra wires and more SIM sockets, so my perspectrive may be screwed. | 16:34 |
| lcuk | nahh - that would to me seem more trivial in all honesty | 16:34 |
| * lcuk doesnt like PSUs though | 16:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 16:34 |
| lcuk | they tend to be worse than chips | 16:34 |
| lcuk | chips let out magic smoke | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Wiring under a BGA and having it function afterwards != easy. | 16:35 |
| lcuk | power supplies tent to handle more power | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Nor wiring on DIMMs. | 16:35 |
| * lcuk used to do SMT repair | 16:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | In principle there is a software mod, but it's not ready yet. | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | An alternative would be an easily modified cable. | 16:36 |
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| ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Is camkeyd supposed to invoke the task navigator, only? | 16:42 |
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| ebzzry | SpeedEvil: In case I was vague, I was looking for a window switching-navigator, with window cycling. | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/repo.html | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html | 16:48 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Does it cycle? | 16:48 |
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| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Without displaying the thumbnails? | 16:49 |
| ebzzry | I don't know about others, but setting ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav:5 makes me dizzy | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav; The action when ctrl+backspace is pressed while the task navigator is showing is controlled by this integer key: 3.Activate the window that was active almost most recently. (In this mode, use two presses of ctrl+backspace two alternate between two windows). | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5. ctrl+backspace behaves like alt-tab on desktop (at least on KDE). While ctrl is pressed, every press of backspace rotates the windows. When ctrl is released, the selected (top left) window is activated. | 16:54 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Yes, I read that. | 16:55 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: I came across Matan's stuff several months ago. | 16:55 |
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| technomike_phone | back | 16:55 |
| zap | there's no app manager anymore on N900? how do I uninstall packages? | 16:56 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: I'm looking for cycling *without* displaying the thumbnails | 16:56 |
| technomike_phone | had to remove battery because my n900 crashed... again | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: so 3. is the one for you, no? | 16:57 |
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| technomike_phone | damn it | 17:04 |
| technomike_phone | when I click share and share via service | 17:04 |
| technomike_phone | the application like file manager or media player crashes | 17:04 |
| drizztbsd | cool mfe retrieves WRONG contacts birthday | 17:04 |
| drizztbsd | (with google) | 17:04 |
| technomike_phone | with Internal Error occured | 17:04 |
| technomike_phone | ant ideas? | 17:05 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: No. The proposed solution still does not address the request at hand: no thumbnails. | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: (<SpeedEvil> An alternative would be an easily modified cable.) it's dirt easy: carefully open up the outer sleeve of the cable from charger to N900, cut the green and white wire, and connect the green and white end of the wires running to N900 | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | can be done with a sharp knife and a few inches of electric tape or similar | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | no soldering of any kind involved | 17:19 |
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| Corsac | I should note that somewhere | 17:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what are we doing here? | 17:22 |
| * jpinx-eeepc just got his n900 today | 17:22 | |
| psycho_oreos | your test of love with n900 starts today for the next 6 months :) | 17:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | heh | 17:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's on charge, so playtime in anhour or so | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, couln't wait as long. Also no need to postpone first fun until chaging finished | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even quickstart manual explicitly says 'don't wait' :-) | 17:27 |
| kerio | don't wait, don't delay, don't fuck with us | 17:27 |
| kerio | (Big Bill Hell) | 17:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok ok - I'll make a call ... | 17:29 |
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| ShadowJK | If your primary use is making calls, you've probably got the wrong device ;) | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | First I'd do is associate it with my WLAN AP. Second: open xterm and do `touch ~/.cherry_state` | 17:32 |
| Corsac | ? | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | wtf is cherry_state? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription | 17:32 |
| Corsac | ha, the my nokia stuff | 17:32 |
| secyrita1 | ShadowJK: doesnt register to my nokia if cherry state exists (: | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3rd thing I'd suggest is simple: open mediaplayer, videos: watch "9" | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4th: do same with N900 connected to your TV :-D | 17:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: my useage is sms but simcard and/or skype, wifi internet for irssi/bitlbee, gmail in a browser | 17:35 |
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| * jpinx-eeepc hunts for how to connect to a wifi that needs a browser to login | 17:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I cloudy seem to remember that's actually been done by a few brave | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would you do it on your laptop? | 17:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: 's ok - got it | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | Just connect, open browser surf to whatever. | 17:38 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | needed to create the profile for the conenction first | 17:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | now to find irssi | 17:38 |
| lcuk | yeah x-fade thats how i always do it at hotels | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | Yep, me too. | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | you'd be amazed how many people connect to open wireless networks at hotels and just start browsing facebook | 17:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | how do I get to terminal? | 17:39 |
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| crashanddie | and they don't even notice it isn't https when they log-in | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | jpinx-eeepc: ctrl-shift-x | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: xterm in applauncher | 17:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | got it:D | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ^sh-x :-D | 17:40 |
| jpinx-eeepc | bugger - irssi not found :( | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install irssi ;) | 17:40 |
| jpinx-eeepc | really that easy? cool | 17:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders which pervert thought it might be a good idea to have kbd hotkeys on ctrl+shift+<xy> | 17:41 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | X-Fade: bitlbee as well? | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | But by the way you sound, you need to install rootme first. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | try to press that while walking down the street :-P | 17:41 |
| MNZ | Hrmm just how far can the speakers be damaged by a bass signal? | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | s/rootme/rootsh/ | 17:42 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: But by the way you sound, you need to install rootsh first. | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: first you'll want to install rootsh from hildon appmanager | 17:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | this is a 2nd hand n900 - I need to check if it's there already | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: without Nokia special pulseaudio filter: completely. with it, not at all (supposedly) | 17:43 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, completely as in no-more-worky-whatsoever? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: yep | 17:43 |
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| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Was my point clear? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely as in "magic blue smoke escaping" | 17:44 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I just stumbled into this a few minutes ago, never knew that | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: yup. Sorry dudue, no idea | 17:44 |
| DangerMaus | nail it to the wall | 17:44 |
| vHanda | Hi. Is there any way I can set a global proxy in maemo ( N900 )? | 17:44 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: OK | 17:45 |
| MNZ | Are there any more caveats I need to know such that I don't blow up my n900 while hacking on the codec driver? | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: oooh. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: hmm, lemme think | 17:45 |
| * jpinx-eeepc needs stronger glasses | 17:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: make sure you're not messing with I2C in any nasty way. I.E know your bus#, chip addr, and registers. | 17:47 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yeah got that covered by using the already laid out i2c code in the driver | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: but other than that, nothing I'd be aware of | 17:48 |
| MNZ | I'm wondering if there are any caveats with routing the audio signal directly into the FM transmitter | 17:48 |
| kerio | play some r'n'b | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: nothing known | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be painless | 17:49 |
| MNZ | My dad's gonna kill me the second he sees any smoke | 17:49 |
| kerio | is it *his* n900? | 17:49 |
| MNZ | kerio, mine, but it's not exactly cheap | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe check for correct level, you might drive it into clipping which isn't exactly a nice thing to do on TX | 17:50 |
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| kerio | get it repaired under warranty if it happens :) | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh on the 5nW it operates it's largely irrelevant what you do to it, no matter what | 17:51 |
| MNZ | haha I don't think the warranty covers damages due to bad haxor skillz | 17:51 |
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| kerio | MNZ: yeah but they don't have to know | 17:51 |
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| MNZ | kerio, lets just hope it does have to get to that. | 17:51 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, ok thanks, slightly more reassured now | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: actually it should cover damage done by any software means | 17:52 |
| kerio | work in ram! :D | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | btw, last night I was in a bar and some group of nerds had the laptops out and phones and stuff | 17:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh? even if i spam .5s maximum flashes every .6 seconds? | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | one of them was ranting about the N900, how he had python and ssh on it, and was claiming it was "100% open) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | though - on second thought - scratch that comment. | 17:53 |
| kerio | or if i disable PA's sw equalizer? | 17:53 |
| kerio | or if i overclock it? | 17:53 |
| kerio | :) | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | I came round, and dropped liqflow on the table, then said "100% open, are you sure about that?" | 17:53 |
| kerio | haha | 17:53 |
| kerio | you're evil | 17:53 |
| MNZ | crashanddie, hissss! boooooo! | 17:53 |
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| kerio | "find me the source of bme"? | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | he replied "Yeah, it's linux, you can change everything" | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: people have different understandings of open | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | Then I asked him if he tried to synch gmail through MfE | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: but yeah.. | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | even with sane understandings of the word, it's still not 100% | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | They thoroughly enjoyed liqflow though | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | I even got free beer! Thanks lcuk! | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | next step: get laid by showing off N900 :-P | 17:55 |
| MNZ | I thought liqflow was just a lib... apt-getting now | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | a lot of nerds hope that their cool-geekiness will get them some tail, I figure that beer is the best thing we'll ever get | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | (from the n900) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: my cool-geekiness got me married, so it does work at times | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | well, married isn't tail mate | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | it just means lack of tail, really | 17:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: I have to log out of here to get the wifi connected to the n900 - no sharing allowed:( so what do I need to install to get irssi and bitlbee up and running? | 17:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles evilly | 17:57 | |
| kerio | crashanddie: libqflow? | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: liqflow, an app lcuk wrote that shows particles you can animate and that move based on the orientation and are coloured/resized based on the acceleration of the device | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rootsh from app manager, then type 'root' in exterm to gain root access, then apt-get update, apt-get install <whatever> | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: ^^^ | 17:58 |
| MNZ | liqflow is ffuuuuunnn | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | how does other OS'es handle 'sample media'? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | do they just hardlink the media or? | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: shake your device, move it sideways | 17:59 |
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| trumee | MNZ: is it possible to route calls to fm transmitter? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install irssi; to be precise | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: it will modify how the particles move | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea bout bitlboom | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: also, leave the n900 on your desk and tap on the table | 17:59 |
| E0x | when fm-transmitter is enable i think route everything | 17:59 |
| trumee | MNZ: presently i have to use an external fm transmitter to do that, sucks! | 17:59 |
| E0x | i mean transmitte everything | 17:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: ok - appmanager shows nothing but "add shortcut, Add contact, etc" | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's not appmanager | 18:00 |
| kerio | bitlbee is cute | 18:00 |
| trumee | E0x: no it doesnt route the calls to the fm transmitter | 18:00 |
| MNZ | Anything can be routed to the FM transmitter | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: you find appmanager in appstarter | 18:00 |
| MNZ | because everything goes through the codec anyway | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 18:01 |
| MNZ | crashanddie, yup trying all that | 18:01 |
| trumee | MNZ: The software doesnt do that presently in PR 1.2 | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: eeh? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: I thought it does | 18:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: I don't fidn anything like AppStarter | 18:02 |
| MNZ | I don't really know, I just tried the transmitter once as a test, that's all | 18:02 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: the calls are not routed to the fm transmitter iirc. let me confirm that again. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: you opened the appstarter menu? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, | 18:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | eh? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: click upper left corner icon 2 times | 18:02 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: nopes they arent. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah calls, ok missed that | 18:04 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i made a sip call and then turned on the fm transmitter. N900 still carried on with the audio. | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, I'd be so pissed if it did :-P | 18:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | the 6 little squares, click once and it gives me a load of icons - including App manager | 18:04 |
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| trumee | MNZ: is there any hack to route the calls over fm transmitter? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: so now you found the place to install rootsh, plus a lot of other nice stuff | 18:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: that gives "operation failed" presumably cos I'm not online? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 18:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok | 18:05 |
| * jpinx-eeepc scrolls back for the destructions..... | 18:06 | |
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| MNZ | trumee, AFAIK all audio goes through the same codec chip, so yes, once I get audio routing to the FM transmitter done in hardware, then everything would be routed | 18:06 |
| MNZ | Although I have thought of this point before, and now that you mention it, I don't really think it's what a user would expect | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: probably policy enforcer will override your nice effort whenever a call starts | 18:07 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, policy enforcer = ? | 18:07 |
| trumee | MNZ, it will be useful to have a toggle button to switch between the two. | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the PA analogon to alsactl | 18:08 |
| MNZ | hrmm, yeah. PA is on my to-hack list though, will see about that when I come to it | 18:09 |
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| MNZ | trumee, why do you want to transmit calls on FM though? | 18:09 |
| MNZ | you realize anyone can tune in? :D | 18:10 |
| MNZ | (ok not really, the range is tiny) | 18:10 |
| trumee | MNZ, because i want the audio out through the car speakers. | 18:10 |
| trumee | MNZ, and i dont like carrying that casette adaptor with me. | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: /etc/pulse/* , e.g xpolicy.conf | 18:13 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: /usr/share/alsa | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: /usr/share/maemo-statusmenu-volume | 18:17 |
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| MNZ | ah, this will come in handy | 18:18 |
| MNZ | Hrmmph I can't find any info on the FM transmitter though. And it's not mentioned on the i2c bus page in the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: /usr/share/policy | 18:19 |
| MNZ | And the receiver is mentioned twice, under 2 different buses | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a 'typo' | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_FM_radio_transmitter | 18:22 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, ah thanks! | 18:22 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: clearly, hard drives aren't the issue -- Apple just need to fix finder crashing whenever you're copying from ntfs to hfs+ and copying more than 256GB worth of data | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: ask jacekowski - he knows how to mess around with FMTX :-D | 18:24 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, interesting. | 18:24 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, will keep that in mind. Luckily I probably don't need to mess around with it, just need to know how it's connected to the codec | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: and this is not just a little "failed to copy crash", this is a whole "finder going down, and refuses to start up again, forcing the whole system to a grinding halt" | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: hmm, you got the schamtics? | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | Is it just me, or is MicroB's portrait detection mostly just a wildcard for any accelerometer input at all. | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | schematics* | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, what error? | 18:25 |
| kerio | GAN900: beats me, i'm not using dat | 18:25 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, are the n900 schematics available or what? | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: application finder can't be opened 10810 | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: yep | 18:26 |
| MNZ | huh! | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, ah, yeah, that's an evil one. | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: not legally | 18:26 |
| MNZ | luke-jr, oh. But does it matter really? | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | yes | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | Browsing my N900 triggers that one every so often. | 18:26 |
| MNZ | why? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | … | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: because the law must be obeyed. | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: problem is, the guy whose HD I'm copying from is leaving for another city tomorrow morning... I need to copy everything off it or I'm losing data, lol | 18:27 |
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| nomis | luke-jr: it's legal in antarctica!!1! | 18:27 |
| kerio | crashanddie: dd | 18:27 |
| MNZ | luke-jr, it's not like they are stolen from secret underground nokia labs (they aren't right?) | 18:27 |
| luke-jr | nomis: I don't live there | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | kerio: no time -- it's almost 6PM | 18:27 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: irrelevant. | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, divide it in half! | 18:27 |
| kerio | OMG | 18:27 |
| kerio | rsync | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: is what I did | 18:27 |
| MNZ | luke-jr, is it illegal to open up a device you own and look at how it's wired? | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: that's different. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: stop telling nonsense. There's no such law in western world that prohibits me to download schematics | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | I'm comparing the directory it was processing at time of crash to try and find where the file copy crashed | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: true, it would prohibit the remote party from uploading it to you | 18:28 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: arent schematics protected by copyright law? | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: exactly | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: strictly speaking, it's not illegal to download copyrighted materials | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | find -type f -not -exec cmp {} /Volumes/Projects/{} ftw | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: just to upload | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: so what? I'm not copying | 18:29 |
| MNZ | Do the copyright laws protect schematics made by someone who doesn't own the design? (by opening and examining it) | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: technicaly, you're storing on your computer when visualising | 18:29 |
| MiXu- | It does say confidential | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 18:29 |
| MiXu- | So I believe it's more or less illegal | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I say "nice XP" | 18:29 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: copyright is pretty straight forward | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | XP? | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: what's windows go to do with anything? | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | smiley | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | ah | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 18:30 |
| MiXu- | How much the company officially cares about that being spread around is another story. | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: transfers necessary to use isn't covered by copyright | 18:30 |
| MiXu- | I don't think they care. It's not really rocket science | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I know, just pressing buttons | 18:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: ok - I get an error, basically - Encountered a section with no Package header. problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt/listss/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_003_._Packages The package lists or status filescould not be parsed or opened | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | MNZ: if you're not copying, copyright doesn't apply | 18:30 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: any ideas? | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it's like the guy who put a copyright on a billboard and claimed people watching the billboard were infringing his copyright | 18:30 |
| MNZ | luke-jr, ah. Well then I'm not | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: that guy got nuked out of orbit | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: you'll maybe want to update to current OS version PR1.2 | 18:31 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: any tips on howto? | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 18:31 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | mnz http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c#Bus_2 - fixed | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 18:32 |
| luke-jr | personally, I think the law should make it mandatory for distributing source code for anything you buy ) | 18:32 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 18:32 |
| luke-jr | so buying a N900 means you'd get the full schematics of it and any components | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Including washing machines andmicrowaves. | 18:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: what a pita! | 18:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer has microwaves in his brain - that hurts :-S | 18:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: you said you're not sure about the state of SW on the device, no? | 18:34 |
| luke-jr | anyhow | 18:34 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to do video chat from Kubuntu to N900? | 18:34 |
| luke-jr | at all? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was that somebody else? | 18:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: is there a way to check the state of the software, _version or somesuch? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings - product info | 18:35 |
| AcTiVaTe | hzm, I installed telepathy-extras and account-plugin-salut and now I seem to be having Wifi connection problems. Sound familiar to anyone? | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: sorry, my brain has a malfunction atm - you bought the used device? or the fresh one off the shelf? | 18:36 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, are you aware of any other caveats (like the speakers' inability to handle bass) affecting the audio stack and fmtx? | 18:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: used -- from "About Product" Nokia N900, Maemo5, Version 10.2010.19-1.003 wlan mac etc etc | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems reasonably recent, but then you dunno what 'tweaks' were done to the system. I suggest fresh install, according to ~flashing | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | ahem | 18:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | am I able to update/upgrade? | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, flashing | 18:39 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, gtfo | 18:39 |
| infobot | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. | 18:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: that flshing process looks like a real pita | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's actually simple, if you don't let it scare you off | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | not at all | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if you got a decent PC to do the flashing | 18:40 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: eeepc ? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, better not | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | why not | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless it's a linux eeePC | 18:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | debian lenny | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely painless I'd expect | 18:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok ok - I'll go and re-read it more carefully ;) | 18:42 |
| * jpinx-eeepc /lastlogs this ... | 18:43 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: as an aside - is there an onscreen qwerty when in terminal (using irssi) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need to download the images and flasher tool from Nokia, and then issue the two flasher commands in a root shell | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, yes. there's always an onscreen qwerty vkbd | 18:44 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yea - I get the principles of the flashing process - I'll read the detail and maybe gete some sleep first - it's late here ;) | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, nite | 18:45 |
| jpinx-eeepc | OoH - How do I get the onscreen qwerty | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (vkbd) enable in setting - keybord | 18:45 |
| kerio | it's bad | 18:45 |
| jpinx-eeepc | the little keys are mental! | 18:45 |
| kerio | don't do it | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | settings - text input | 18:45 |
| kerio | noooo | 18:45 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: why? | 18:45 |
| kerio | it sucks | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | seriously, the vkb is k | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the 1.1 one was better | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | but... it's k | 18:46 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok - how do i disable it if i don't like it? ;) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | just don't use it :-) | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Simply not blocking other applications using audio | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that's about it | 18:46 |
| jpinx-eeepc | can't get it to come up:( | 18:48 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's set but when I go to a terminal there is no vkbd | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: if you're going to implement additional controls to alsamixer, make damn sure you add them *to the end* - some braindamaged apps might access controls via control-number | 18:49 |
| AcTiVaTe | Oh well, removing telepathy-extras and account-plugin-salut fixed Wifi again. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: enable in settings, close slider, click input area | 18:49 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Eeewww | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:50 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, heh, will note that | 18:51 |
| jpinx-eeepc | wtf is the delete? | 18:51 |
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| MNZ | SpeedEvil, I don't think there will be any blocking as I'm simply adding more controls to alsa | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: yeah - I mean the gerneral case of screwing withaudio. | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: What are you thinking of? | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Fullblown EQ? | 18:53 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, I don't think that will be fully possible | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Why not? | 18:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I thought it had a FIR filter. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Surely you can just do the maths to go from EQ settings to FIR coefficients. | 18:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: you were right - it's not wonderful, several keys not working, etc | 18:55 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, for one thing, I'm can't figure out the math for it. (I'm a high school student, starting college in about 2 weeks) | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 18:55 |
| derf | Is it really a FIR? | 18:55 |
| MNZ | Of course google might help alleviate this problem. There's also a coefficient calculator by TI | 18:56 |
| MNZ | but that would allow me to create a sort of presets and just hard code the numbers only | 18:56 |
| MNZ | derf, yes it is | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Not really | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: The superposition of the coefficients is the superposition of the response. | 18:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unless I'm confused. | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And anyway, you'd put the calculator in the kernel. | 18:58 |
| MNZ | SpeedEvil, I have just recently found out what FIR is anyway. And I understand I need to implement a way to calculate the coefficients, yes. | 18:59 |
| MNZ | Someone who knows the math should just do this part :/ | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:01 |
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| MNZ | is that a ":) I'll help out!" or ":) good luck" or ":) I do know the math but I'm too lazy" or something else entirely :-D? | 19:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a 'I have little more clue than in the above sentances'. | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've never done it. | 19:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: ok - which of the OS images applies ? | 19:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | COMBINED | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and *VANILLA* | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you'll want the global version | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the most recent one of GLOBAL, for both | 19:05 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Third Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 19:05 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 19:06 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 | 19:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. | 19:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | wtf is all tha about? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 19:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | fiasco is about right ;) | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just "you need to flash COMBINED as well, whenever you flash VANILLA" | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where COMBINED == rootfs and stuff, VANILLA == eMMC image | 19:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what's FIASCO? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | a fiasko | 19:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so what am i flashing first? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Some inventive naming some Nokia drones came to choose after 7 beer I guess | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | *I* suggest you flash VANILLA first | 19:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | fiasco/combined/vanilla? | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | don't use -R | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway ommit the -b parameter on all your flasher invocations | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | err -R | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | -R* | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: there's no fiasco image actually | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are called COMBINED and VANILLA | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | someone should modify flasher to make it display a lolcat saying deprecated on NOLO when -R is used :P | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes fiasco is used as a synonym for COMBINED | 19:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sudo dpkg -i <flasher-package-name> | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | --force-architecture if it's x64 | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | but if it's an eeepc, doubtful | 19:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | i686 here | 19:11 |
| MiXu- | Nolo == embarassing in Finnish | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, like Moko in Spanish? :-P | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there has to be an evil spirited dude somewhere at Nokia, inventing all those names | 19:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so - when the device connects to my eeepc, what will I see it as in Debian? | 19:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | does it come up as a filesystem or a device ? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, it shouldn't | 19:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and how will it know where to find teh images I downloaded? | 19:14 |
| jaska | yeah, nolo is an excellent name :D | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: the full path+file name of the image you pass to flasher on commandline will do that trick | 19:16 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so "sudo dpkg -i <flasher-package-name>" should read "sudo dpkg -i </path/to/flasher-package-name>"? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:17 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | thanks DocScrutinizer - I hope I got the right ones and I'll sleep a while and do it when I'm fresher | 19:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | g'nite:) | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | helo pretties | 19:21 |
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| Corsac | yhey RST38h | 19:22 |
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| vanadismobile | hmm, just reflashed my n900 | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | Corsac: how is existance? | 19:24 |
| vanadismobile | it's damn fast without any 3rd party applications | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: amazingly weird | 19:26 |
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| mikki-kun | as soon as one third party app is installed you can say adios to the speed of it >.< | 19:30 |
| mikki-kun | at least i get the impression somehow | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never found that personally. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But I run powertop after every install. | 19:33 |
| mikki-kun | why powertop? | 19:33 |
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| mikki-kun | for me it is more a huge I/O bottleneck at times | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | To see if any program is running when idle | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | i think when it really annoys me i will do the same | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | but now i'll look how custom-kernel and stock are doing at 250-600 | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | i think i either took my voltages too low for my custom or i dunno... | 19:35 |
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| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: are you using the devel-repo? | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to do video chat from Kubuntu to N900 at all? | 19:36 |
| Corsac | RST38h: existing | 19:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: yes. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (running when idle) petrovic borked 1s after start 2 days ago, yesterday on wondering why it never stops pulling massive current from charger I found petrovic still around and eating CPU: 100% @ 600MHz :-/ | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers powertop ant htop | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and* | 19:40 |
| mikki-kun | hm, shouldn't htop be already helpful enough? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | htop + screen >>>>htop | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really in all aspects - e.g. htop doesn't show the CPU clock afaik | 19:41 |
| mikki-kun | meh, screen not needed | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 100%@??? doesn't mean much | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd be nice if it showed in htop. | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (freq) | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | at least after a while it could eat cpu time | 19:42 |
| iPeter- | Has anyone bricked n900 with overclocking it? What is safe to use? i self did put 850MHz | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: without screen, it uses _lots_ more power - reven over wifi with powersave | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | iPeter-: what for do you need the 850 all the time? | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | iPeter-: Perhaps. | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | 20%@??? even less helpfull, esp since petrovic wasn't always on top of CPU usage | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | iPeter-, 600's safe :p | 19:43 |
| * slonopotamus runs his n900@1.1GHz and ftw | 19:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | iPeter-: The problem is that the question is how many of those people would have reoported it vs go back to nokia and requested a replacement device. | 19:43 |
| mikki-kun | though 600 is already OC'ing from nokia | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 600 is not OCing. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell ipeter about omap-oc | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 600 is in spec. | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It's simply the spec states a limited life. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell iPeter- about omap-oc | 19:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~omap-oc | 19:44 |
| infobot | somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 19:44 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: "Nokia's overclocking warning: 500 MHz is the normal frequency. Everything above is not good for your device, even with the stock kernel." - http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking_N900 | 19:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not overclocking. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Overclocking is using the device beyond the manufacturers recommendations. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | If you are using it at 600MHz with the stock software, it is not overclocking. | 19:46 |
| slonopotamus | 'and any clock >600MHz will wear out your CPU at a rate of maybe 10% per week, maybe faster' what a fud... | 19:46 |
| iPeter- | lol | 19:46 |
| mikki-kun | btw, what can i do when i have problems with python on my n900? i tried reinstalling the problematic packages, yet it didn't solve the problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60982 | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It - TI says - has a limited life - but it's not overclocking as such. | 19:46 |
| iPeter- | Ill clock it back to 600 -.- | 19:46 |
| iPeter- | is 250 / 600 good? | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Some of the wording in that article is overly strong. | 19:47 |
| iPeter- | what is defaults? | 19:47 |
| mikki-kun | iPeter-: 250-600 is default | 19:47 |
| iPeter- | Okay | 19:47 |
| iPeter- | Ill set it | 19:47 |
| mikki-kun | though at times you can OC, but then after you have done the job take it back to 600 | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | But the only people that know - perhaps engineering teams at TI - aren't telling. | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The same chip is also produced in 750MHz speed-grade. | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It could simply be that rating some parts to 600 is a marketing decision, and all parts can really go 750 just fine. | 19:48 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: at 750 and 700 my browser became pretty unstable, reloaded the page all the time... | 19:48 |
| iPeter- | SpeedEvil: so you say 250 / 750 should be fine? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | We don't know - there is no data. | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | how soon n900 @1.1Ghz is expected to die, dear #maemo overclocking experts? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It could also be that most parts overrclocked to 800 for a week will fail. | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | No datra. | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: I will anse rthat for you if you send me funds to buy 100 n900s for a good statistical survey. | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | mikki-kun: At 705MHz, mine reboots after about 45 minutes | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | though 1000 would be better statistically. | 19:49 |
| mikki-kun | Jaffa: hm, tbh i've never OC'ed longer than for 10 mins | 19:49 |
| slonopotamus | if you don't have an answer, please, shut up and stop saying you know how overclocking affects n900 life | 19:50 |
| mikki-kun | that's usually a youtube-vids duration | 19:50 |
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| * Jaffa hopes for a multi-core, multi-GHz chip in the N9 :-/ | 19:50 | |
| technomike_phone | haha | 19:50 |
| technomike_phone | imagine the battery life | 19:50 |
| jaska | slonopotamus: beware, they might have a time machine so they know from observing the future. | 19:50 |
| mikki-kun | Jaffa: uhhhh, and how long should that last? | 19:50 |
| mikki-kun | 6 mins working time? | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: No-one knows, every single N900 seems *very* different. Some seem to run at 1.15GHz very happily; mine doesn't. | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | mikki-kun: It's a whole new stack, it'll be fantastic. *cough* | 19:50 |
| mikki-kun | Jaffa: same here, at 1.15 it just dies... | 19:51 |
| technomike_phone | hahahaha i know right mikki-kun | 19:51 |
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| iPeter- | So theres no good everyday use OC, than original clocks? | 19:51 |
| mikki-kun | Jaffa: have you tried looking for your n900's "stable" lower cpu-voltages? | 19:51 |
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| mikki-kun | iPeter-: i think the guys @ TI do have a reason saying it only 'should be' run @ 600 | 19:53 |
| iPeter- | ok | 19:53 |
| mikki-kun | i mean a cpu which goes to 1.15 is something really awesome imo | 19:53 |
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| mikki-kun | they can push prices and also get some fame with that imo | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, the fact that not all chips run stable under same voltage/freq combination is expected since they're not identical. but you usually see that very soon (they either not boot at all or start bugging under high load) | 19:55 |
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| mikki-kun | Jaffa: btw, i prefer a multi-chip solution ;) | 19:56 |
| lcuk | there are speeds which work for everyone, and speeds which a few dedicated sat in fridge type people can get to. when Ti and Nokia started selling this device which do you think they used? | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | err... the fact that bla-bla is known and noone argues it. | 19:56 |
| mikki-kun | so that there are two physical cpus... that makes stuff look awesome imo | 19:56 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, sure. nb, not a single word of 'OC will destroy your n900!!!one!111!!' | 19:57 |
| RST38h | "Office 2011 for Mac (beta 5 at least) uses Freetype" | 19:57 |
| lcuk | the n900 has to survive in ambient temps with a wider range than lots of people see daily | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | in hot weather, you hear about computer outages for a reason | 19:59 |
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| * luke-jr ponders using qemu-arm to run telepathy-spirit on Ubuntu | 19:59 | |
| technomike_phone | ARGHHHHH Starting to hate my n900. Randomly closes a web window as I am buying something on amazon. now i don't know if the purchase has gone through or not!! | 20:00 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, sure. that doesn't mean OC is dangerous for each and every device | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, it does mean it has to be accounted for though. | 20:01 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, i'll easier believe in death caused by overheating | 20:02 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, skype thing? | 20:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | technomike_phone: I had that happen once. | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike_phone: I ended up with 38 printers. | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: yeah | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I refused all but one delivery. | 20:04 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i doubt it'll be open ever | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | doesn't have to be | 20:04 |
| nid0 | technomike_phone: the obvious solution that presents itself would be to check your email? | 20:05 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: hence qemu-arm | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, doesn't it link to other telepathy libs? | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: does telepathy use libs? ;) | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | IIRC telepathy agents are executables | 20:06 |
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| slonopotamus | orly? | 20:07 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, how its process is called? | 20:08 |
| technomike_phone | I give up... | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: dunno | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-spirit is linked to lots of stuff | 20:09 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: is it? :| | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=596286#post596286 | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, wtf, you use kubuntu?! | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: ^^^ (how soon n900 @1.1Ghz is expected to die, dear #maemo overclocking experts?) | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: on my SSD netbook | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: answer: 5 years / 2^5 | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe much faster, as the deterioration rate isn't even simple factor2/100MHz, it's even steper | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | steper | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn steeeeper | 20:19 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, what if it doesn't after twice that period? | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then you're still well within statistics, and also this obviously depends on how long your device actually was *clocked* at the different speeds, not hpow long it was sitting in the shelf off collecting dust or idling @ zero clock | 20:21 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: may i ask where you have that number from? | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd expect the hours @ <clockfreq> to calculate like that: 600=nominal (44k), 700=nominal/(2), 800=nominal/(2*4), 900=nominal/(2*4*8) | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather than 700=n/(2), 800=n(2*2), 900=n/(2*2*2) | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, so, how often your n900 runs at max freq? let's s// it with 1.1ghz, calculate using that formula, come to conclusion that result is >4 years and overclocking is ok to use :) | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | To avoid significant device degradation for commercial temperature OMAP3530/OMAP3525 devices (0°C | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ≤ Tj ≤ 90°C), the device power-on hours (POH) must be limited to one of the following: | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | • 100K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5-OPP6 to less | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | than 23K POH. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | • 50K total POH when operating at OPP5 - OPP6. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | • 44K total POH with no restrictions to the proportion of these POH at operating points OPP1 - OPP6. | 20:26 |
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| mikki-kun | ahhh, uhm, if i get my custom voltages... does that mean i manually give the cpu that much juice or does that mean i give it a certain range of power it can dynamically choose from if it needs? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | we're OMAP3430 though | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sure? | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, quite | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, woops! | 20:27 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: that means the cpu can be on for 44k hours in usual usage? (sorry, somehow not my best day) | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: well, whatever. The 34 and 35 seem to be the same breed, just differently selected | 20:32 |
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| mikki-kun | meeeeh, damn internet -.- | 20:33 |
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| kerio | jpinx-eeepc: i remapped... about half of my keys | 20:34 |
| kerio | (del is shift+backspace from the beginning though) | 20:34 |
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| kerio | i added []<>{}|&%$~ pgup pgdwn home end tab and esc | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: yes, basically | 20:36 |
| mikki-kun | was that the answer for my 44k hour question or regarding the voltage-question? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: voltage is what you select for the regulators in GAIA aka twl5030 to deliver to CPU/SoC, depending on clockfreq etc. However inside SoC there are further additional regulation circuits to finetune the voltage/current a particular function block or even pair of transistors is actually supplied with. That's a part of what TI calls SmartReflex | 20:40 |
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| mikki-kun | so if i understood correctly i give the cpu a bunch of numbers but it itself determines then which one it takes of them? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's part of the freq governour aiui, and TI has some code for that, which gone to kernel as sw part of smartreflex. | 20:46 |
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| mikki-kun | so it didn't kinda make sense me trying to find out my lowest settings for my cpu? | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also aiui smartreflex is disabled due to Nokia spoiled something with the regulators in twl5030 feed to SoC, so probably it doesn't regulate fast enough and this causes instability | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | where smartreflex here is most likely just the regulator thing which is disabled. Obviously you can not disable some parts of SmartReflex inside SoC :-) | 20:49 |
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| mikki-kun | so that can cause at times my n900 to randomly reboot? | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, of course | 20:50 |
| mikki-kun | btw, facebook killed my device 3 times in a row while i was browsing it (was looking for some facts for a promotion which starts today... 70% off if certain stuff from acer) | 20:51 |
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| mikki-kun | was cool seeing and feeling how it doesn't like | 20:53 |
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| frals | ~seen jebba | 20:55 |
| infobot | jebba <~jebba@8.20.201.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 49d 16h 32m 48s ago, saying: 'Well, you better wear a helmet around here....'. | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: (with 1.1ghz, calculate using that formula) in my book that's CPU burnout after ~1.3h @ 1.1GHz, using the formula I suggested | 21:03 |
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| technomike_phone | soon i will overclock my n900 cpu to over 9000 ghz | 21:05 |
| NinetyFiveNL | for 1 sec? Xd | 21:05 |
| technomike_phone | haha xD | 21:05 |
| mikki-kun | technomike_phone: make a vid of the cpu exploding! | 21:05 |
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| technomike_phone | hahaha :P | 21:06 |
| kerio | meh, keep it at near-absolute-zero | 21:06 |
| kerio | and you'll be fine | 21:06 |
| technomike_phone | I will. I will show the N900 having a nuclear melting | 21:06 |
| technomike_phone | *meltdown | 21:06 |
| NinetyFiveNL | maybe it runs with liquid nitrogen @ 9001 mhz:SD | 21:07 |
| technomike_phone | hahaha imagine it :o | 21:07 |
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| NinetyFiveNL | only from the netherlands :) one Tweaker prolly will execute it btw;p | 21:08 |
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| technomike_phone | haha | 21:09 |
| technomike_phone | xD | 21:09 |
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| pupnik_ | these guys did a good job with lebowski haloween costumes: http://www.nateblack.com/halloween.htm | 21:11 |
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| Weaselweb | how can I setup my N900 to show GMT+2 instead of UTC when connected as USB mass storage device? e.g. a file was written 16:00 GMT+2, but I see it as 14:00 via USB and my system interprets that as GMT+2 | 21:19 |
| kerio | your system sucks then :< | 21:19 |
| Weaselweb | how should my local system know which timezone those dates are? | 21:20 |
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| kerio | *you* tell him | 21:20 |
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| Weaselweb | I can tell my system which time it has itself, but not which time my remote system offered | 21:22 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone noticed any alarmd issues with PR1.2? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | which issues? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmed seems to work as expected (except some unrelated refusal to delete events) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and alarmed using alarmd | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (delete) or was it templates, or scripts? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ?? | 21:27 |
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| NinetyFiveNL | http://geekymojo.com/as-promised-nokia-n900-review-still-impressive/ | 21:37 |
| NinetyFiveNL | lol some late blewers are never too late with reviews;d | 21:37 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Things like FeedingIt, osso-rss-reader and gPodder aren't updating automatically (gPodder and FeedingIt don't even have anything in /var/cache/alarmd/*, AFAICT); whereas Modest is working fine | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strace? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | err gdb | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ltrace | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: might they be linked agains old alarmd abi? | 21:42 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Don't think so, as thp says gPodder's working for him. | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 21:44 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Didn't it used to be an XML file, rather than /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no clue | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | never looked into that | 21:45 |
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| mece | what is up with libsdl-mixer these days? I'm seeing new packages again, and the old ones have disappeared. | 21:46 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:46 |
| secyrita1 | that lidsdl is pain in my ass | 21:47 |
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| luke-jr | MEH | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | skyhost segfaults under qemu | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | EHM | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck skyhost! | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | or at least qemu-user… | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | not sure I have time to try to make it work in qemu-system-arm with native telepathy | 21:48 |
| pupnik_ | are you a lebowski achieveR? http://mckiernanmadness.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/timemag.jpg | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | how'd you go to make that shit work? isn't it cloded&crypted&crippled&completely-fsckdup? | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | /actually/… does Maemo 5 have a qemu-based SDK? | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer:? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyhost == skype, no? | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and skype was that BS that uses even crypted and gdb-'blocked' executables, no? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm not surprised it doesn't work under qemu | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what surprises me though is luke-jr dealing with that stuff | 21:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 21:56 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm wrong? | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | what's up in Maemo land? | 22:01 |
| * rtyler passes Venemo a beer | 22:02 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: strictly independent of my free software naziism, I assure you | 22:03 |
| pupnik_ | that's what is needed tonight | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: some things come before free software | 22:04 |
| luke-jr | like the ability for my children to communicate face-to-face with their mother | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | which is apparently impossible with N900 | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | well, use of any phone excludes face to face | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 isn't a phone | 22:05 |
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| pyther | Hi | 22:10 |
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| pyther | Can someone look over this post and tell me if the alarms that I posted are safe to delete? | 22:10 |
| pyther | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61412 | 22:10 |
| rtyler | so far I'm really enjoying my n900 with maemo 5 (being a former supporter of the openmoko project) | 22:10 |
| rtyler | I'm wondering what apps you guys find invaluable for integrating the phone with your linux desktops ;) | 22:11 |
| * rtyler found GPE Calendar but it integrates poorly with maemo | 22:11 | |
| pyther | The alarm_appid is qttest-asj and that isn't an app that I'm familar with | 22:11 |
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| NinetyFiveNL | integrate? ssh x11 forwarding nothing more:D | 22:16 |
| nox- | moin | 22:16 |
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| mece | nox-, nox? Hmpf. I was going to name my game nox. | 22:20 |
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| nox- | :P | 22:20 |
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| tobis87 | hi! I have tested encryption on the n900 and so far aes-cbc-plain:rmd128 with hw acceleration seems to be stable, but i have not tested every hash... | 22:40 |
| tobis87 | what should I do with it? maemo.org talk is not really an option since it's only supported from hw rev 2101 and you need to update nolo! | 22:40 |
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| marcus_ | Anybody got an idea why I can't find NITDroid-Installer in App manager? | 22:40 |
| frals | tobis87: what nolo would i need and where do i find it? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | marcus_, perhaps you have already installed it | 22:41 |
| lcuk | or you dont have the repository listed | 22:41 |
| marcus_ | I've got extras-devel for sure, hmm. Do you have it? | 22:41 |
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| tobis87 | frals: the maintainer from the new hw driver send it to me, it is the same version with aes accel. activated in the m-shield | 22:42 |
| lcuk | marcus_, not sure, i am principly concerned with maemo | 22:42 |
| Corsac | marcus_: ftr I didn't have it either | 22:42 |
| Corsac | marcus_: I installed through apt-get | 22:42 |
| * mortini waters lcuk. | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | :D thanks mortini | 22:42 |
| marcus_ | Corsac: When doing so, it says I need to install bzip2, but apt-get can't find that either. | 22:43 |
| * lcuk is really knocked sideways by infection | 22:43 | |
| lcuk | facepalm | 22:44 |
| lcuk | i just thought n900 was locked up | 22:44 |
| lcuk | but it was photoviewer showing a black photo | 22:44 |
| * lcuk hides | 22:44 | |
| marcus_ | Prepare for the punishment of Zurg. | 22:44 |
| frals | tobis87: whats the version number and who is this myserious maintainer then? ;) | 22:44 |
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| tobis87 | i have compiled as module: dm-mod, dm-crypt, omap-aes, omap-sha1-md5, rmd128, rmd256 (RIPEMD), sha1_generic, sha256_generic (SHA-1 and SHA-2), wp512 (Whirlpool)... you still need cryptsetup from extra-devel and the nolo update | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | yaay | 22:45 |
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| Corsac | marcus_: bzip2 | 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 22:46 |
| marcus_ | Corsac: Huh? | 22:46 |
| marcus_ | Corsac: I think it's an error I get, hold on. | 22:46 |
| tobis87 | frals: RAM:40208052 LDR R0, =aNoloXLoaderV1_ ; "NOLO X-Loader (v1.4.14, Aug 18 2010)\n" and the maintainer is Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin at nokia.com> | 22:46 |
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| marcus_ | I really should consider flashing my n900. Haven't done it since I got it. | 22:47 |
| marcus_ | package bzip2 is not availabe, but is referred to by another package | 22:48 |
| marcus_ | E: Package bzip2 has no installaiton candidate | 22:48 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, your Maemo Weekly News link noticably removes the /#Maemo hash tag and has done since you started prepending Meego to it | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | https://twitter.com/mwkn/status/22550969543 | 22:49 |
| lcuk | (ie its unclickable) | 22:50 |
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| frals | MohammadAG51: i heard you love packagin stuff n shits, package a new ffmpeg with 3gp and amr support pretty please! ;) | 22:51 |
| liori | hello, are there any news on meego and n900? | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | frals, there was someone in playing with building mplayer the other night | 22:53 |
| lcuk | and a few folks popped out of the woodwork to say they were around similar | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | oh frals before I forget | 22:54 |
| * lcuk swings a rather large hefty trout @ you | 22:54 | |
| frals | bah! | 22:54 |
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| frals | heh | 22:57 |
| frals | i think my latest fmms version got promoted to extras without actually having the new feature.. | 22:57 |
| mece | could someone please point me towards the SDL_GetMouseState for SDL version 1.3? I'm losing a lot of hair over this.. | 22:58 |
| mece | ermm.. api reference | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_GetMouseState | 22:59 |
| lcuk | mece, thats googles first hit | 22:59 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:59 |
| mece | lcuk, not 1.3 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | even tho last edited2008? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | hmm | 22:59 |
| mece | well.. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | whats wrong ? | 23:00 |
| mece | well in 1.2 it takes *int, *int and in 1.3 it takes int, *int, *int. It would be nice to know what the last int is. | 23:01 |
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| frals | mece: number of times to trout lcuk | 23:02 |
| lcuk | api was updated to (int index, int *x, int *y) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | but I agree mece | 23:03 |
| lcuk | changing api like that is bad form | 23:03 |
| lcuk | especially the left hand side ops | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | frals, check your replies on twitter | 23:05 |
| mece | yes there are NO documentation for that!. soo... I'll just put 0 there in the first one. | 23:05 |
| frals | lcuk: \o/ | 23:05 |
| frals | i wonder if i shipped the 2 latest "versions" of fmms without updating the source code.. | 23:06 |
| frals | i dont dare to look lol | 23:06 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:07 |
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| mece | lcuk, well it compiles with 0 there... | 23:10 |
| mece | let's see how it pans out. | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | mece, thats bad form on their part | 23:11 |
| mece | lcuk, yep. Especially since it's undocumented, at least publicly. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | at least it wont compile | 23:11 |
| lcuk | its documented in the headers at least | 23:12 |
| lcuk | (or should be, else you wouldnt have noticed a problem whilst building | 23:12 |
| frals | nice, 1.2.2, 1.2.3 and 1.2.4 has all had the same code in my packages | 23:12 |
| frals | :ops: | 23:12 |
| lcuk | you said you were not going to look | 23:12 |
| frals | i had to :( | 23:12 |
| lcuk | now you have to do a noobmonk3y and release 4 new versions in a night | 23:12 |
| mece | LOOL | 23:13 |
| marcus_ | After I've just flashed my n900, is it "safe" to use the backup from before? I mean, are there apps included and such? Is it all files from ~/? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | marcus_, the backup stored a list of apps and repositories | 23:15 |
| lcuk | when you do a full restore | 23:15 |
| lcuk | it opens HAM with that list of ap | 23:15 |
| lcuk | and you can actually tick/untick any you dont want to redo | 23:16 |
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| marcus_ | Hmm, HAM is what? | 23:16 |
| frals | hildon application manager | 23:16 |
| marcus_ | Aha. | 23:16 |
| marcus_ | Nice nice. | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | #troutfail | 23:23 |
| marcus_ | Anybody remember which folder the PC Suite saves backups in by default? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | /home/user/MyDocs/somewhere | 23:23 |
| tobis87 | does anyone know what the physical and logical sector size of the emmc is? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | did you just flash the main image, or the emmc too? | 23:24 |
| marcus_ | lcuk: Both I believe. | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: 130K or so, and 512 bytes | 23:25 |
| pyther | SpeedEvil: are you familar much with maemo's alarm system? | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | In a very lomited sense. | 23:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | That being limited to it wakes me up most mornings. | 23:27 |
| tobis87 | is the filesystem already optimized for the alignment, or does the driver for the emmc do this? i ask this, because if i would use dm-crypt, it would bypass the filesystem | 23:27 |
| pyther | Haha I'm trying to figure out if I need these 2-3 alarm entries I think they are changing my ringing profile http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61412 | 23:27 |
| pyther | It says the alarm_appid is qttest-asj | 23:28 |
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| pyther | Though I'm not sure what qttest-asj would be | 23:28 |
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| Jartza | yet another hotel-death | 23:28 |
| Jartza | *bored* | 23:28 |
| lcuk | pyther, that does indeed sound like a test of some sort | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | tobis87: no. | 23:29 |
| pyther | lcuk: so it should be safe to delete? | 23:29 |
| marcus_ | Hmm, I wonder why I can't put in a password in my wpa protected wifi | 23:29 |
| lcuk | pyther, i never said that | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: The emmc pretends to be a 512 byte block device. | 23:29 |
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| marcus_ | It wants me to use pin method or "click" method | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: You can never get any deeper than this. | 23:29 |
| pyther | lcuk: thus I'm asking | 23:29 |
| pyther | something seems to be changing my ringing profile | 23:29 |
| mece | crap... oh well. going back to sdl1.2 1.3 is not working for this. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | pyther, where is the settings file, lemme have a squint | 23:29 |
| pyther | lcuk: well I found the enteries in here: /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini | 23:30 |
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| pyther | action0.dbus_path: /com/nokia/profiled | 23:31 |
| pyther | action0.dbus_name: set_profile | 23:31 |
| pyther | action0.dbus_args: sgeneral\\; | 23:31 |
| pyther | woops sorry didn't mean to post with the newlines :-/ | 23:31 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: yes, i know this. however tune2fs says ext3 has a block size of 4096, so it should write in 4k chunks, correct? | 23:31 |
| pyther | I would assume those commands change the ringing profile | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: yes. | 23:32 |
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| mece | hmm.. what does autobuilder do when there are no build-depends set? | 23:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Explode with the force of a thousand suns? | 23:33 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, no, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. | 23:33 |
| lcuk | well, now we have ruled that one out | 23:34 |
| pyther | lcuk: what would be the worse that happens I would have to reflash my phone? | 23:34 |
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| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: mmh, 4096 chunk -> devided into 128bit or 256bit encrypted blocks -> collected until 512bit has been collected -> and 130k is written... this doesn't look nice | 23:34 |
| mece | if that were the case, we should really put a clear warning about that in the wiki. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | yes but why don't you do what the system appears to do - is there a .bak file already there | 23:34 |
| lcuk | mece, in bold - with <blink> tags around it | 23:35 |
| lcuk | we can't have it exploding with a force of 1000 suns every few hours | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: It's much more complex than that | 23:35 |
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| mece | lcuk, yeah, no that would be bad. | 23:35 |
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| pyther | lcuk: I'm not sure what you mean I do have .bak file in that directory | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | pyther, does the .bak file contain anomalous entries? | 23:37 |
| pyther | lcuk: yes | 23:37 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: it is not directly writen to the flash, instead it will be hold for 5 sec in memory, as for ext3 at least. | 23:37 |
| pyther | lcuk: though I suppose I can take alarm_queue.ini, back it up and then restore it if all hell breaks loose | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i doubt it will, but to comfort you hold on | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | ssh root@10.0.0. | 23:38 |
| lcuk | nice, wrong window and everything | 23:38 |
| pyther | haha :D | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: you really want a log structured FS. | 23:38 |
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| Shadikka | Despite the lack of actual reasons for it, "ssh root@" makes me cringe. | 23:39 |
| lcuk | meh | 23:39 |
| lcuk | it has a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong password | 23:39 |
| lcuk | that I have to manually count the repeated letters in everytime | 23:40 |
| Shadikka | yeah, and as mentioned, not that it really matters that much (with most actively used ssh accounts having sudo powers anyway) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | yip | 23:40 |
| * lcuk even ssh root@localhost normally rather than normal rootsh entry | 23:40 | |
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| Shadikka | Uh... why? :P | 23:40 |
| lcuk | cos i installed openssh and forgot the other | 23:41 |
| lcuk | now uparrow on console finds it quicker | 23:41 |
| Shadikka | I see :P | 23:41 |
| pyther | Well I am going to delete the 3 entries, hopefully I don't regret my choice :P | 23:42 |
| lcuk | pyther, i just deleted the file and rebooted and got a regenerated one | 23:42 |
| lcuk | :) so it wont do anything :P | 23:42 |
| pyther | ahh ok cool :D | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | but it wont help | 23:42 |
| lcuk | because you need to find where the alarmd actual settings are i tihnk | 23:43 |
| pyther | lcuk: can you post the regenerated file? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | no | 23:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Ta. Twitter's shit. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | it contains my private stuff | 23:43 |
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| pyther | lcuk: I believe alarmed writes it's settings in alarm_queue.ini | 23:44 |
| lcuk | pyther, well its magic | 23:44 |
| lcuk | and managed to regenerate them after i nuked from orbit | 23:45 |
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| pyther | Haha I deleted the three entries so I'll see if my profile automatically change when they aren't suppose to | 23:45 |
| lcuk | so options: it rewrites on closing the alarmd, or the settings for each producer restocks it on bootup | 23:45 |
| pyther | the alarm file looks ok right now | 23:45 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: is not only the internel NAND a ubifs partition? and for the swap, is there already something done in the kernel for alignment? as for the chunk size of one swap write? | 23:45 |
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| pyther | lcuk: thanks for the help | 23:46 |
| lcuk | what help :P i just convinced you deleting it does nothing :P | 23:46 |
| pyther | lcuk: I think it copies alarm_queue.ini to alarm_queue.ini.bak and then saves the new changes | 23:47 |
| pyther | lcuk: hehe :D | 23:47 |
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| blizzow3 | Are there any planned updates for the email client in Maemo. It's dog slow. | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | blizzow3, its open source | 23:48 |
| lcuk | repository has been updated recently | 23:48 |
| blizzow3 | touche | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | with lots of fixes | 23:48 |
| lcuk | for changes | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but i dont know if one is "dog slow" | 23:48 |
| lcuk | blizzow3, it seems to depend also on usage | 23:48 |
| lcuk | some peoples inboxes flow smoothly | 23:48 |
| lcuk | other people can have sluggishness | 23:49 |
| lcuk | sames as any mail client in that regard | 23:49 |
| blizzow3 | lcuk, have you ever tried the blackberry email client. | 23:49 |
| blizzow3 | There is no sluggishness in that thing. | 23:49 |
| blizzow3 | none | 23:49 |
| lcuk | can't say I have | 23:49 |
| lcuk | but with my email volume I rarely try many clients once I find something that works | 23:50 |
| * lcuk dislikes hours of importing gb's of stuff | 23:50 | |
| blizzow3 | I love the rest of Maemo and have hopes for Meego, but a blackberry has nailed the email experience. | 23:50 |
| mortini | only one? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | mortini, only one what? | 23:51 |
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| mortini | i dunno, i like how my n900 tells me i have 'new mail' that arrived 3 days ago. it's helpful. | 23:51 |
| mortini | lcuk: bad joke based on 'a blackberry' | 23:51 |
| tobis87 | tobis87: so that the swap usage will at least not be worse than without encryption, because of an additional alignment issue. except of encryption overhead... | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | tobis87: you can't do swap block writes of 130K, it doesn't work | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: you need something much more annoying. | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like a log filesystem, or a circular buffer with garbage collection | 23:54 |
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| marcus_ | Can anybody explain me which one is 2g of: Dual, GSM & 3G (duh) | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM | 23:55 |
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| marcus_ | Aha, okay. Thanks! | 23:55 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/7uMMcEdF , what is all this page remapping about? | 23:55 |
| marcus_ | Seems like I don't get any signals what so ever with either one | 23:56 |
| marcus_ | Got it now. | 23:56 |
| Jartza | 11 more maemo-coders | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: dunno | 23:59 |
| Jartza | next week 15 more | 23:59 |
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