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| kerio | adhoc + wpa2 + ssh | 00:00 |
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| kerio | sneakernet is meh | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 225452 <timeless> don't have sadly | 00:02 |
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| quanttrom | I am reading a service manual and it quite clearly says that when the back cover is removed both eMMC and MicroSD interfaces are powered down | 00:06 |
| quanttrom | is that correct? | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | quanttrom: yes. | 00:08 |
| pupnik | quanttrom: i haven't seen that myself - and i think i was reading from microsd | 00:08 |
| pupnik | hmm | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | quanttrom: umm | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I think only microSD | 00:08 |
| pupnik | well it booted for sure | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:09 |
| pupnik | so that is done to prevent corrupted microsd cards? | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | user may unplug | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | So they unmount | 00:10 |
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| quanttrom | lets just assume I am reading a service manual from Nokia | 00:12 |
| quanttrom | so yeah it says that | 00:12 |
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| quanttrom | well lets go into detail | 00:12 |
| quanttrom | it says that an interrupt is send to OMAP which powers down both memory cards | 00:13 |
| kerio | yeah, because why should you trust users with a phone made for nerds | 00:13 |
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| quanttrom | so technically it depends how that interrupt is handled | 00:13 |
| kerio | quanttrom: the eMMC is still powered on and working | 00:13 |
| kerio | that makes me wonder... what if your back cover broke? | 00:13 |
| quanttrom | ok thank you guys :) | 00:13 |
| quanttrom | short /open the magnetic sensor | 00:14 |
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| Jaffa | Interesting. | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | dmesg says on open cover | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | [61524.116516] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | [61524.422485] mmc0: card bfa2 removed | 00:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | However - mydocs accessibility does not change | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | So manual is wrong. | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | One of the RM-680 bug reports mentions a firmware: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-301 which also mentions RX-71, RM-581, RM-660 and RM-696 | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I recall 71 before | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Indeed, came out in kernel references whilst we were waiting for RX-51 (N900) | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?find=%2Fkernel%2F&string=rx71 | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:22 |
| ioan | to call gconftool-2 in a script, do I have to call it with run-standalone.sh? why? | 00:24 |
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| ioan | never mind | 00:28 |
| ioan | :-) | 00:28 |
| alterego | Just make sure you do it with the right user | 00:28 |
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| quanttrom | How does a phone recognize what battery is currenly in it if it is used with multiple batteries? | 00:35 |
| quanttrom | EEPROM in the battery? | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | quanttrom, battery has 3 connections for a purpose | 00:37 |
| lcuk | but I am not sure how it handles swapping between and whether it retains its history or if it gets reset | 00:38 |
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| quanttrom | lcuk: I have seen some with 4 as well. I am just curious | 00:39 |
| quanttrom | I tried to google it but didn't have much luck | 00:40 |
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| quanttrom | if you have any links feel free to share :) | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | quanttrom: the n900 has no battery ID | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | quanttrom: It can't | 00:47 |
| lolcat93 | quanttrom: The n900 has a crap battery | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It can have ID chips. | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | the battery charge monitor chip can do ID | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | But, it's not actually integrated in the battery as it's designed to be | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's on the motherboard | 00:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | so it's a motherboard ID, not a battery ID. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | This is not very helpful | 00:48 |
| nox- | moin | 00:48 |
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| Commodore-Freak | morning... okay, i'm not sure how often this question has already been asked here... but is there just any fucking way to align desktop-widgets/shortcuts to grid? | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:50 |
| lolcat93 | I am so damn bored | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | they are aligned on a grid by default | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's 4 pixels | 00:50 |
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| Commodore-Freak | i could swear they are not | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't see 4 pixels on the screen | 00:51 |
| * SpeedEvil looks for tha tthread. | 00:51 | |
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| quanttrom | SpeedEvil: so esentially every time u swap the battery the battery gauge is unaware and uses wrong information | 00:58 |
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| quanttrom | that's not nice... | 00:58 |
| kerio | Commodore-Freak: install tweakr | 01:00 |
| kerio | you can set the grid size | 01:00 |
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| Commodore-Freak | trying it out atm | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | quanttrom: pretty much | 01:02 |
| timeless | hey | 01:03 |
| timeless | is there a *tiny* emmc image available? | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | pr1.0 | 01:03 |
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| timeless | the images i could find were 256mb or so | 01:04 |
| timeless | kinda breaks my budget | 01:04 |
| Commodore-Freak | ah tweakr seems to do provide exactly the functionality i was looking for :) | 01:04 |
| Commodore-Freak | great, thx | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It now contains /opt | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | well | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | sortof | 01:04 |
| timeless | not really | 01:05 |
| * timeless kicks it | 01:05 | |
| lcuk | timeless, could rummage around in the morning for you | 01:05 |
| timeless | /opt is part of the mmc image and is moved over at first run | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:05 |
| fabrice | can anyone point me to the fremantle source repos? | 01:05 |
| timeless | lcuk: ineed it *now* | 01:05 |
| lcuk | :( | 01:05 |
| timeless | and i don't have vpn magic here | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | fabrice, theres loads of source on http://maemo.gitorious.org/ | 01:06 |
| * timeless grumbles | 01:06 | |
| lcuk | all the desktop components and a load of other goodies | 01:06 |
| fabrice | lcuk, regarding my menu issue, it looks like the issue is with /home/user/.config/menus/hildon.menu not being used | 01:06 |
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| fabrice | is there an lxr like tool? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | theres a metric shittonne of code on garage.maemo.org | 01:07 |
| lcuk | yeah fabrice we know | 01:07 |
| fabrice | you know what? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | talk to MohammadAG51 he spent a little time tracking it down | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/ | 01:07 |
| fabrice | SpeedEvil, thanks | 01:08 |
| lcuk | but we were waiting for your proper report :P | 01:08 |
| fabrice | lcuk, ok, I'm gonna file a bug | 01:08 |
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| timeless | speedevil: is that working today? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | cool :) | 01:09 |
| timeless | the server moved and nokia dns masters... | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | timeless, yeak your mxr is working a treat :) | 01:09 |
| timeless | oh, wow | 01:09 |
| * timeless wonders how it's working | 01:09 | |
| lcuk | I used it earlier with MohammadAG51 and I saw SpeedEvil giving links b4 | 01:09 |
| timeless | oh well | 01:09 |
| timeless | magic | 01:09 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:09 |
| * lcuk thanks you everytime I open it! | 01:10 | |
| timeless | one warning, i can't remember which fremantle fremantle is | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | probably harmattan | 01:10 |
| lcuk | it does for 99% of things | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 01:10 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:10 |
| timeless | fremantle12 is obvious | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | pr1.1? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 01:11 |
| timeless | nah, i don't think i ever really picked up 1.1 | 01:11 |
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| timeless | alias: fremantle fremantle-20091116 | 01:13 |
| timeless | i could change fremantle to point to 12 | 01:13 |
| timeless | if people like | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | it will help timeless | 01:14 |
| lcuk | there were a few compatability changes and slightly newer apis available | 01:14 |
| lcuk | and most are on pr1.2 now | 01:14 |
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| * lcuk has lost truman show dvd | 01:16 | |
| timeless | hrm, i think i've changed it to 12 | 01:16 |
| timeless | not sure offhand how to prove it | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | check kernel revisions | 01:20 |
| mece | does anyone here see an sd card slot on the n9? | 01:22 |
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| fabrice | lcuk, MohammadAG, MohammadAG51 : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 | 01:25 |
| povbot | Bug 11163: user | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | user? :/ | 01:26 |
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| kerio | must be a PEBKAC | 01:26 |
| timeless | um | 01:26 |
| timeless | write failed after 655360 bytes | 01:26 |
| fabrice | kerio, yeah you must be perfect | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, how did you cope with your stylus finger/thumb? this is terrible | 01:27 |
| timeless | usb_buk_write: no error | 01:27 |
| fabrice | MohammadAG51, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 | 01:27 |
| povbot | Bug 11163: user menu is not used to build shortcut list | 01:27 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, hmm? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | where are you reading it? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | fabrice, cool | 01:27 |
| fabrice | lcuk, well, fixing this what would be really cool | 01:28 |
| lcuk | any chance you can upload a deb or point to an example git repository so that user can reproduce easily? | 01:28 |
| fabrice | lcuk, I can provide a .desktop file | 01:28 |
| timeless | hey did anyone ever make a group sms sending feature? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | @mozilla.com? | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: i remeber this xray of an injury you were pasting? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | will moving a standard desktop into that location reproduce it for him | 01:29 |
| fabrice | MohammadAG51, yes | 01:29 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, sure, I notice it every time I pick up the sugar | 01:29 |
| lcuk | and the nail grows a bit wonky | 01:29 |
| lcuk | but otherwise its fine | 01:29 |
| mece | hehh this "flick" person is on a bit of a rampage it seems... | 01:30 |
| lcuk | mece where? | 01:30 |
| timeless | oh right it's -F -F | 01:30 |
| * ShadowJK has injured left thumb in a fibre splicxing related incident and finding it hasd to type on hwkeyb with thumb in bandages :) | 01:30 | |
| mece | lcuk, tmo, N9 thread currently, but all over. | 01:30 |
| timeless | silly me | 01:30 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, ahh ouchy | 01:30 |
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| mece | lcuk, he posted this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=792408&postcount=202 in a couple of threads. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | :( | 01:32 |
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| * ShadowJK reported one of them with "opinions on nokia cs policies and their political alignment are offtopic for this thread" :D | 01:34 | |
| MohammadAG51 | I'd report it as "kids, drugs are bad for you" | 01:35 |
| timeless | cs? | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | closed source? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | counter strike obviously | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | counter strike source | 01:35 |
| * lcuk is just as flummoxed | 01:35 | |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, care to elaborate | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | customer service | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | brb | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | timeless, how do I disable translation so the UI comes up with the standard labels? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | mv locales and restart UI | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | /usr/share/locales | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | /usr/share/locale* | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yep, seems to work for me | 01:41 |
| monkeyiq | anyone know a good guide for changing which backend canola uses for audio? | 01:41 |
| Mousey | awwwwww | 01:43 |
| Mousey | i miss canola | 01:43 |
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| noctule | evening all | 01:48 |
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| timeless | so... | 01:48 |
| timeless | anyone here understand how to workaround wifi wps or whatever | 01:49 |
| lcuk | eep timeless nope | 01:49 |
| lcuk | Mousey, canola has someone working on it for gsoc | 01:49 |
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| Mousey | super awesome | 01:50 |
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| noctule | anyone had to return their N900 to Nokia? Just trying to get an idea on how long repairs take | 01:50 |
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| noctule | I was having some screen problems a few days ago, thought it had cleared up, and then bricked it tonight with an app update :/ | 01:51 |
| timeless | ok, with enough hand twisting, it worked! | 01:52 |
| timeless | lcuk: so, our WPS stuff is terribly broken | 01:53 |
| timeless | it doesn't understand that the e.g. cisco epc3825 wifi router only does button pairing | 01:53 |
| timeless | not pin pairing | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | timeless, humm | 01:56 |
| lcuk | how rare are the routers? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LOCALE=C <program-with-standard-labels> ? | 01:56 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I did what I needed by brute force thanks | 01:57 |
| lcuk | I just have to remember to put it back afterwards | 01:57 |
| lcuk | its on my principle phone | 01:57 |
| timeless | incredibly common | 01:57 |
| lcuk | yup | 01:58 |
| timeless | when i went to stockholm, the wifi ap at nokia's office there was button auth | 01:58 |
| timeless | no pin | 01:58 |
| timeless | it was a royal pain to pair it | 01:58 |
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| timeless | it wasn't this specific cisco | 01:58 |
| lcuk | hmm | 01:58 |
| timeless | but the button only auth class is very common | 01:58 |
| timeless | and ime it never works the first 5 times w/ n900s | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | :( | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | button pairing was a bit odd the only time i tried it.. | 01:59 |
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| FireStorm| | question, my phone was in middle of texting and it seemed to shut down screen when off etc but didn't, come back up and seemed to work ok. Now i get nothing screen is lik semi lit but nothing else any ideas? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | noctule, unsure | 02:00 |
| FireStorm| | someone said it was common thought on the n97 | 02:00 |
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| FireStorm| | fault aswell | 02:00 |
| lcuk | FireStorm|, is it charging at the moment? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | EPARSE | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, for me it timed out, then when i tried to connect to same ap again, it just connected | 02:01 |
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| timeless | yeah, i remember that | 02:02 |
| FireStorm| | lcuk not plugged in no | 02:02 |
| FireStorm| | i was out and about | 02:02 |
| lcuk | FireStorm|, unplug the connection if so, remove the battery, reconnect it and see if it boots | 02:02 |
| lcuk | odd | 02:02 |
| FireStorm| | done that | 02:02 |
| lcuk | even odder | 02:03 |
| FireStorm| | left battery out for 10 misn put back in nothing | 02:03 |
| FireStorm| | it seemed to boot up but u don't hear the nokia song u get | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if you put it in flashing mode does it charge at same time? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 02:04 |
| lcuk | FireStorm|, does it show any content on the screen | 02:04 |
| FireStorm| | nope | 02:04 |
| FireStorm| | 2 secs let me grsb iit | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afaik not | 02:04 |
| FireStorm| | black screen | 02:04 |
| FireStorm| | but when u slide it open the backlight comes on | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NOLO 'NOKIA' | 02:05 |
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| FireStorm| | nope | 02:05 |
| FireStorm| | nothing | 02:05 |
| FireStorm| | get nowt | 02:05 |
| FireStorm| | turning it on get white light | 02:06 |
| lcuk | plug it into usb and turn it on again and see if it shares files | 02:06 |
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| ShadowJK | screen or backlight? | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hw | 02:07 |
| tybollt | sigh slow sd card is ... slow :) | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FireStorm|: insert bat, plug in charger, watch screen in bright light for large 'NOKIA' | 02:09 |
| FireStorm| | hmm | 02:10 |
| FireStorm| | pluggs in via usb nothing | 02:10 |
| FireStorm| | took battery out, put battery back in plugged in by usb charger, charging ok windows detects it | 02:12 |
| FireStorm| | nothing on screen | 02:12 |
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| FireStorm| | black screen with black light on | 02:12 |
| FireStorm| | :( | 02:13 |
| FireStorm| | but when turned on orange light not flashign to say it's charging. | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hw defect. FPC ribbon | 02:14 |
| FireStorm| | english? hehe | 02:14 |
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| FireStorm| | fpc ribbon? | 02:16 |
| FireStorm| | e.g it fooked? | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flat/flexible plastic connector. the ribbon cable connecting the 2 halves | 02:16 |
| kerio | listen to DocScrutinizer on that | 02:17 |
| kerio | he broke his | 02:17 |
| kerio | (and he's a electronic engineer - for shame!) | 02:17 |
| FireStorm| | ah | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or total fsckup of all NAND | 02:17 |
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| FireStorm| | how did u fix it then DocScrutinizer | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | swap display PCB | 02:18 |
| FireStorm| | ffs | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but maybe it's just the plug got loose | 02:19 |
| FireStorm| | i cracked screen and sent it back to where i got it and they changed screen would this effect it? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's somewhat related | 02:19 |
| FireStorm| | sweet | 02:20 |
| FireStorm| | back to crapphonewarehouse it goes | 02:20 |
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| FireStorm| | just annoying nothing but problems with this phone :( | 02:21 |
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| FireStorm| | they easy to take apart? | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | basically yes. but also easy to break exactly that FPC during disassembly | 02:22 |
| FireStorm| | ah | 02:22 |
| FireStorm| | i'll let them do it then | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or reassembly | 02:22 |
| FireStorm| | it's insured | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure the better option | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd nevertheless try a rootfs flashing prior to sending in | 02:24 |
| FireStorm| | how would i do that? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as usual | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing | 02:24 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:25 |
| FireStorm| | i can't do it though as it don't boot up? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flashing isn't relying on what's usually called boot | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it depends on NOLO only | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the bootloader | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's happening on indicator LED when you power up via power button, after bat insert? | 02:30 |
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| FireStorm| | grr dam net connection | 02:31 |
| FireStorm| | i can't do it though as it don't boot up? | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | see chan log | 02:32 |
| FireStorm| | i disconnected so didn't see it | 02:33 |
| FireStorm| | :p | 02:33 |
| FireStorm| | but u said try flashing it | 02:33 |
| FireStorm| | and i said i can't as it don't boot up? | 02:33 |
| yigal | how long since it powered of since you attempted to start it again? | 02:34 |
| yigal | s/of/off | 02:34 |
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| FireStorm| | urm been off 10 mins or so | 02:35 |
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| yigal | FireStorm|: try again? Sometimes it takes a littlt while to boot up again, you are getting zero reponse from the device? | 02:36 |
| FireStorm| | nar it goes to boot up | 02:36 |
| FireStorm| | black screen but backlightcomes on and nothing | 02:36 |
| FireStorm| | i was using it sending txt and it semeed to reboot but didn't. Then it come back on and seemed ok then i went to cal lsomeone and screen went off | 02:37 |
| FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer said it's the screen cable thats at fault. | 02:37 |
| yigal | oh, he's way more knowledgable than me, most likely right then | 02:37 |
| FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer could i plug the output cable into a screen and see what i'm doing... | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you can try, but AV usually also flawed by FPC break. And NOLO doesn't support AV at all afaik | 02:39 |
| FireStorm| | bah that sucks so much | 02:39 |
| FireStorm| | crappy nokia :p | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you closed the slide prior to breakage? | 02:39 |
| FireStorm| | yer | 02:40 |
| FireStorm| | been using it all day fine | 02:40 |
| FireStorm| | gone out | 02:40 |
| FireStorm| | went to txt someone to tell them i was outside and then it went off screen | 02:40 |
| FireStorm| | it was like that for few minutes then come back on and was ok | 02:41 |
| FireStorm| | then about hour later went to call someone and it had gone off | 02:41 |
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| FireStorm| | ::::::( | 02:42 |
| FireStorm| | grr why do the product id have to be so msall :( | 02:43 |
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| FireStorm| | ah well cheers for help DocScrutinizer going to flash it now see what happens | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably nothing as you obviously got a FPC break | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe not flash it | 02:50 |
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| timeless | halp | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unless you got a ssh login and saved all your data | 02:51 |
| timeless | i have a backup from pr1.1 | 02:51 |
| timeless | i restored it on pr1.2 | 02:51 |
| timeless | and now conversations shows no messages | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 02:51 |
| timeless | not even new outbound | 02:51 |
| timeless | or new inbound once the message is closed | 02:52 |
| FireStorm| | i got ssh login but don't know ip addy for it | 02:52 |
| FireStorm| | should i just leave it then | 02:52 |
| FireStorm| | lol | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FireStorm|: you'd for sure be able to find correct IP from e.g. nmap or router diagnostics | 02:53 |
| FireStorm| | thats long | 02:53 |
| FireStorm| | as don't allways connect to wireless | 02:53 |
| FireStorm| | i'll leave it and go to bed | 02:53 |
| FireStorm| | as its 1am and i'm up at 6am lol | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if it's not configured to autoconnect then for sure you are out of uck | 02:54 |
| FireStorm| | it is but we got multiply networks round here all open | 02:54 |
| FireStorm| | and it's random as to what it picks up lol | 02:54 |
| timeless | anyone know how to debug rtcom eventlogger? | 02:54 |
| FireStorm| | cheers for help DocScrutinizer51 will let ya know how i get on with it | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and if it doesn't boot up correctly to a stage where at least kbd gives click or backlight response, then there's no way to ssh to it | 02:55 |
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| FireStorm| | that wha i though as i run a password and when u boot up u gotta enter pass before it finsihing booting | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FireStorm|: good luck | 02:56 |
| FireStorm| | thanks lol, i need it | 02:56 |
| FireStorm| | they should do it as i've had new screen 2 weeks if that so can't see why it wuold be a problem | 02:56 |
| FireStorm| | infact 2 weeks sat | 02:56 |
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| FireStorm| | :0 | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you feel extremely venturous the you could try and fold a paper 3 times and push it in from kbd open up under the screen *carefully* and no further than upper end of lower half | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | this *might* temporarily fix the FPC/connector breakage, by gently pushing down on it | 03:01 |
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| timeless | anyone know how rtcom deals w pr1.1 ot pr1.2 upgrades? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | screw that paper nonsense. Just tested - not feasible | 03:05 |
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| odin_ | paper nonsense ? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: backscroll? | 03:06 |
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| * timeless finds a page which has suggestions | 03:07 | |
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| Jigglypuff_ | hi | 03:44 |
| Jigglypuff_ | i tried apt-get upgrade in scretchbox, but error: | 03:45 |
| Jigglypuff_ | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 | 03:45 |
| Jigglypuff_ | qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting | 03:45 |
| Jigglypuff_ | why? | 03:46 |
| odin_ | what system you running qemu on ? uname -m ? | 03:51 |
| odin_ | what kernel version uname -r | 03:51 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | 2.6.27-16-generic | 03:52 |
| Jigglypuff_ | and arm | 03:52 |
| Jigglypuff_ | target: sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 03:53 |
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| odin_ | syscall 338 is looks to be set_robust_list on ARM | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | Jigglypuff_: 'arm' has no single meaning here | 03:55 |
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| luke-jr | what KIND of arm? | 03:55 |
| Jigglypuff_ | uname -m = arm | 03:55 |
| Jigglypuff_ | :D | 03:55 |
| Jigglypuff_ | on scratchbox | 03:55 |
| odin_ | its sbox emulated ARM I guess | 03:55 |
| Jigglypuff_ | yes | 03:55 |
| odin_ | the issue is that you are running per-binary emulation but really you are still Intel | 03:56 |
| odin_ | as opposed to using qemu to emulate the entire N900 including a kernel | 03:56 |
| odin_ | since Intel does not have a syscall 338 (but 336 does exist) | 03:57 |
| Jigglypuff_ | so, how can i fix this? | 03:57 |
| odin_ | what is the program you are running ? you run ./a.out and get a qemu: error right ? | 03:57 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | when i run fakeroot apt-get -f upgrade | 03:58 |
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| odin_ | and without fakeroot, i.e. use 'sudo' ? | 03:58 |
| Jigglypuff_ | same error | 03:59 |
| Jigglypuff_ | without sudo - superuser needed error | 03:59 |
| odin_ | and 'su' then 'apt-get upgrade' | 03:59 |
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| odin_ | maybe you broke your install does -f mean force ? | 03:59 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | su - command not found i think, but now i cant test, cuz reinstalling now the sdk files.. | 04:00 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | i tried install libsdl-mixer1.2-dev and get many dependency error, therefore tried apt-get upgrade... | 04:02 |
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| odin_ | maybe try a refresh scratchbox setup ? but using fakeroot with apt-get sounds wrong and if -f means force, even wronger, you are likely to leave your files hosed since instead of rolling back the software update the errors are hidden | 04:02 |
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| nox- | i wonder if your arm kernel is just too old to know that syscall... | 04:02 |
| odin_ | I dont believe an ARM kernel runs under scratchbox, its application level emulation | 04:04 |
| nox- | oh | 04:05 |
| nox- | hm but whats the qemu then for? | 04:05 |
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| odin_ | providing the emulation, while qemu can emulate an entire hardware device in the case of scratchbox its only called upon to provide emulation of an ARM CPU to make an executable run | 04:08 |
| nox- | ah so this is qemu-user then? | 04:09 |
| nox- | or linux-user... i.e. qemu-arm not qemu-system-arm... | 04:09 |
| odin_ | that label is just a packaging facet | 04:10 |
| nox- | well i meant the type of qemu emulation | 04:10 |
| nox- | since qemu can either emulate an entire box/board or just a process | 04:11 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | i hope working after reinstall... | 04:19 |
| Jigglypuff_ | too many package, too slow download speed :D | 04:20 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | hehe | 04:34 |
| Jigglypuff_ | working :) | 04:34 |
| Jigglypuff_ | what is -lsmpeg? | 04:36 |
| nox- | mpeg1 it seems | 04:38 |
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| nox- | http://www.lokigames.com/development/smpeg.php3 | 04:39 |
| Jigglypuff_ | hmm, i need this, what is package name? :D | 04:41 |
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| Jigglypuff_ | this? SMPEG library | 04:42 |
| Jigglypuff_ | jaj | 04:42 |
| Jigglypuff_ | i cant link | 04:42 |
| Jigglypuff_ | cuz irc on windows, and sdk is in virtual linux :D | 04:43 |
| nox- | apt-cache search finds libsmpeg0 and libsmpeg-dev | 04:44 |
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| nox- | hm shouldnt you be able to apt-cache search from sdk too? | 04:45 |
| Jigglypuff_ | i think yes, but works now, i installed libsmpeg0 and libsmpeg-dev | 04:45 |
| Jigglypuff_ | make[1]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. | 04:46 |
| Jigglypuff_ | what is this? | 04:46 |
| nox- | sometimes VM clocks can be unstable... | 04:47 |
| Jigglypuff_ | so this is not error? | 04:48 |
| nox- | and make uses timestamps to find out if stuff needs rebuilding | 04:48 |
| nox- | if you built from scratch you should be safe | 04:48 |
| Jigglypuff_ | ok :) thx | 04:49 |
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| TermanaN900 | morning | 05:01 |
| mortini | If you insist. | 05:01 |
| mortini | I still have 2 hours, though. | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | 5AM here | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | still awake from yesterday | 05:02 |
| mortini | i enjoy that more than i should. | 05:02 |
| mortini | being up for a sunrise/early morning is great | 05:02 |
| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG, i am disappoint. Sleeping only 8 hours per 48 | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 05:03 |
| mortini | NYC is awesome during that time, going from sleep, etc. | 05:03 |
| mortini | to being a city. | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | TermanaN900, sleeping is a waste of time | 05:03 |
| mortini | lies. | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | I am your father | 05:03 |
| mortini | Doubtful. | 05:03 |
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| TermanaN900 | i do lucid dreaming and/or sleep walking, to do stuff while sleeping | 05:04 |
| TermanaN900 | :D lol | 05:04 |
| mortini | TermanaN900: too bad you don't do sleep coding. | 05:04 |
| mortini | and have the foresight to solve really complex things. | 05:04 |
| mortini | whilst sleep coding. | 05:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | i dreamt i coded i huge +15k app once | 05:04 |
| mortini | i've dreamt i couldn't sleep. worst thing ever. | 05:05 |
| TermanaN900 | mortini, yeah, but i do dream of #maemo and bash.org so, i pretty much do in my sleep what i do during the day | 05:05 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 05:05 |
| mortini | i have dreams that i go back to highschool and everything's the wya it was for awhile, and hten i realize that i actually live in NYC now, and have to convince people that i no longer live in BFEl. | 05:06 |
| mortini | -l. | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mortini is a city and mortini his father :-x | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mortini is a city and MohammadAG51 his father :-x | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ETAB | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 05:10 |
| nox- | http://gawker.com/5615971/apples-freedom-from-porn-enforcer-drawn-to-porn-stars-and-escorts-on-twitter | 05:10 |
| mortini | DocScrutinizer: lies! | 05:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | maemo needs a porn app, to see how many pervs will buy an N900 for that | 05:14 |
| nox- | haha | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the browser works for thart. | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | ideally, it needs to use the open source xvid format, 800x480 | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, yeah well... you need DSP acceleration or it's not real porn | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | on a related note | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | why the f is MohammadAG here :o | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.myfreecams.com/#ashasnow - someone linked me to last night - she was reading hitchhikers guide to the galaxy naked. (notr worksafe) | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Worked fine on n900 | 05:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol? | 05:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just the internet is an increasingly silly place. | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, not even works on KDE4 | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 30s is an unbearably long period of time for me | 05:22 |
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| luke-jr | perverts | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | not me | 05:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | didn't even click the link | 05:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | killed my perverted a month or two ago :p | 05:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | now i only make perverted jokes | 05:32 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, sorry, you had a question for me? | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's - technically - a very silly website. It populates the HTML page through a connection to flash which talks to the site on a socket. | 05:36 |
| nox- | bbl | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | So it's a huge mess of complex js/flash/... | 05:36 |
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| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, you killed your pervert? Does that remove you from the sexual predator list? | 05:48 |
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| TermanaN900 | I guess you signed a NDA when you cut a deal for your murder prosecution | 05:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Night all! | 05:54 |
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| johnx | 'night SpeedEvil | 05:55 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok, now i'm pissed | 05:56 |
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| johnx | TiagoTiago, for any reason in particular? Or just inexplicably suddenly pissed off? Or 'pissed' in the sense the British use the word? | 05:59 |
| TiagoTiago | back when i still hadn't installed anything i came here asking for suggestion on what would be the better way to make sure i wouldn't run out of memory to install stuff and i was told to come back when it becomes an issue, as if it wasn't somhing i shloud worry about | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | it's not | 06:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | guess what, it's full, and i have lots of stuff i would have to reinstall and setup again, and my PC has HDD issues right now | 06:00 |
| johnx | Actually, that's a good question. Is there a new script floating around to tell you what's taking up space on / ? | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | du | 06:01 |
| johnx | well, yeah, du would be part of it | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | du does everything you asked for | 06:01 |
| TiagoTiago | there is a program that shows a "treemap" of the storage areas | 06:01 |
| johnx | luke-jr, by "what's taking up space" I meant "what packages" not "what files" | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | o i c | 06:02 |
| johnx | so ideally, I'd probably want to pick the top several files and see what packages "own" them | 06:02 |
| johnx | If no one knows of one I'll write one in a couple minutes | 06:03 |
| TiagoTiago | it's called Storage Usage i think | 06:03 |
| TiagoTiago | hm | 06:03 |
| TiagoTiago | well | 06:03 |
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| TiagoTiago | other than uninstalling/deleting stuff there is nothing i can do to once again be able to install stuff without having to reflash or otherwise wipe the "disks"? | 06:04 |
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| johnx | well, some packages (especially from -testing or -devel) might not be properly packaged to put big files on the big storage, so a lot of times you'll find 1 or 3 packages that were taking up 80% of your space | 06:05 |
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| TiagoTiago | There is really no way to do a live repartitioning without loosing data? | 06:13 |
| TermanaN900 | loosing data? | 06:13 |
| TermanaN900 | who cares about that | 06:14 |
| TermanaN900 | live repartition that thing | 06:14 |
| TiagoTiago | i guess that was redundant | 06:14 |
| johnx | Not sure re-partitioning would help in your care ... | 06:14 |
| johnx | s/care/case/ | 06:15 |
| infobot | johnx meant: Not sure re-partitioning would help in your case ... | 06:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | why not? wouldn't it grow the partitions that are to small while shrinking the partiton that got space to spare? | 06:15 |
| TermanaN900 | johnx, it probably wouldn't but it would provide some lulz | 06:15 |
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| johnx | TiagoTiago, uhm, the small / partition (that holds the OS and small parts of programs that need to be opened quickly) is a physically separate chip from the bigger storage on /opt and /home/user | 06:18 |
| johnx | but first, just try and get a handle on which packages are taking up the most space | 06:19 |
| johnx | also, how much space do you have left on /? | 06:19 |
| TiagoTiago | 6MB | 06:19 |
| TiagoTiago | 123 on /home | 06:20 |
| johnx | ok. just checking because some people say things like "I only have 128MB left on /! Help!" | 06:21 |
| johnx | so go figure out what packages are wasting the most space | 06:21 |
| TiagoTiago | there is a folder called git-core that is using up lots of space, can i do somthing with it without risk? | 06:22 |
| johnx | what package does it belong to? | 06:22 |
| johnx | I thought you were saying "storage usage" told you that? | 06:22 |
| TiagoTiago | nomis, sorry, i only saw you were looking for the package info after i had already sent the msg | 06:23 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, sorry* | 06:23 |
| johnx | ah, then give me a sec and I'll write a script that does it :) I've been meaning to do that for a while | 06:23 |
| johnx | you gonna be on here for another 30 minutes or so? | 06:23 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok | 06:29 |
| johnx | hah! flash will save you 6MB right there :) | 06:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | ? | 06:30 |
| johnx | I'm testing my script. Getting rid of flash will save you 6MB on / :) | 06:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | but i use flash o.o | 06:33 |
| johnx | well, that's a problem :) | 06:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | I remember i saw some scripts on the wiki to optfy some known progs but they had all sorts of warnings about things from missing icons to reboot loop and even plain bricking | 06:37 |
| johnx | yeah, they're even less safe now :) | 06:37 |
| johnx | they were made for 1.0 I think | 06:37 |
| johnx | and they failed to take symlinks into account anyways, so now they show a lot of false positives | 06:37 |
| johnx | better to have a script provide suggestions and then take action on your own | 06:38 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 06:39 |
| Mr_Nobu | Hiya :D | 06:39 |
| johnx | hi :) | 06:42 |
| Mr_Nobu | Hows it going random interweb person | 06:42 |
| johnx | pretty great, other voice in my head :) | 06:42 |
| Mr_Nobu | Sweet :D | 06:42 |
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| johnx | so what brings you to this corner of the intarwebz? | 06:45 |
| Mr_Nobu | random i guess :) | 06:46 |
| Mr_Nobu | started just messin with some1 but they took it the wrong way | 06:46 |
| Mr_Nobu | was funny as hell xD | 06:46 |
| Mr_Nobu | so folk cant handle the banter | 06:46 |
| Mr_Nobu | *some | 06:47 |
| johnx | and some people are just really really good at annoying other people | 06:48 |
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| Mr_Nobu | yea true | 06:49 |
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| TiagoTiago | can i uninstall git or does the system needs it? | 06:59 |
| johnx | uhm, did you install it? | 06:59 |
| TiagoTiago | I dont remember | 07:00 |
| TiagoTiago | seems like somthing i would install, but i donmt remember if i did | 07:00 |
| johnx | well, go and see if it's listed in application manager | 07:01 |
| johnx | or try and remove it from the command like with apt-get | 07:01 |
| johnx | apt-get will warn you if uninstalling it would uninstall other packages | 07:01 |
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| TiagoTiago | yeah, it's listed on HAM, gonna gimme about 10MB back | 07:01 |
| N9 | so....n900 is oficially dead eh? | 07:02 |
| TiagoTiago | does HAM do that too? | 07:02 |
| johnx | N9, and you killed him! murderer! | 07:02 |
| johnx | TiagoTiago, if it's listed in HAM, then, yeah, you probably installed it :) | 07:02 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 07:02 |
| N9 | no more n900 on nokiausa site for purchase.... obsolete 9 months after release | 07:03 |
| N9 | liers | 07:03 |
| johnx | wow, not even on nokiausa? | 07:04 |
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| N9 | exactly | 07:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | didn't Nokia said the sa!es of the N900 surpassed their expectative by an order of magnitude or so? | 07:04 |
| johnx | I was seeing decent deals for it coming up in my RSS reader for a while, but $399 is still a bit much just for a spare | 07:04 |
| TiagoTiago | sales* | 07:04 |
| johnx | could be they stopped making them too early :) | 07:04 |
| N9 | TiagoTiago: maybe it did surpas....what im sayin is it is now being killed off by nokia | 07:05 |
| TiagoTiago | perhaps we're gonna have a G2 N900? | 07:05 |
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| N9 | n9 is coming | 07:06 |
| asj | do you just make shit up or what? | 07:09 |
| asj | http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900 | 07:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | they should keep the two chars names for the Symbian^* devices | 07:09 |
| asj | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 -- or if you prefer, in stock, 479 and well...still there | 07:10 |
| N9 | ok...it came back i guess | 07:10 |
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| johnx | http://pastebin.ca/1920798 | 07:11 |
| johnx | that should do it | 07:11 |
| johnx | you can tweak the script to give you a different number of results | 07:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | /home can be repartitioned, right? | 07:13 |
| johnx | yeah | 07:13 |
| johnx | you could change the split between /opt and /home | 07:13 |
| TiagoTiago | how can i repartiton it without loosing data? | 07:14 |
| johnx | back up your data first | 07:14 |
| TiagoTiago | isn't opt inside home? | 07:14 |
| johnx | /home/user and /opt I should say | 07:14 |
| johnx | err scratch that | 07:14 |
| johnx | /home/user/MyDocs and /opt | 07:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | i find it hard to believe it's not possible to change partiton sizes of existing partitons without loosing the dataa already in them if there is enough free space in the partiton that's being reduced | 07:16 |
| johnx | yeah, so install parted, read the manual, carefully change partition sizes | 07:16 |
| johnx | and if you screw up your phone doesn't boot | 07:16 |
| asj | TiagoTiago: there are, it's not easy...good luck. I've only used them on desktop systems | 07:17 |
| johnx | then reflash it, and pray that you backed up | 07:17 |
| TiagoTiago | why it isn't as easy as it is on a desktop? | 07:17 |
| johnx | because no one ported the the nice partitioning app | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: you assume it's easy on a desktop | 07:18 |
| johnx | maybe you could port it and adapt it to the small screen? | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | because your desktop OS hides the ugly details | 07:18 |
| johnx | luke-jr, used gparted? | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | johnx: no | 07:19 |
| TiagoTiago | when i did it on my desktop it was | 07:19 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: and that's part of hiding details | 07:19 |
| johnx | gparted is actually pretty nice and I've found it quite reliable | 07:19 |
| asj | and on your desktop when something goes wrong you just boot off a cd/network/anything and fix it | 07:19 |
| johnx | no real reason it couldn't be hildonized | 07:19 |
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| johnx | the use case is pretty slim though | 07:19 |
| TiagoTiago | really? | 07:20 |
| johnx | and are you really running out of space on /home/opt? | 07:20 |
| TiagoTiago | i thought there were lots of people that had to repartion 'cause of the little space for applications | 07:20 |
| johnx | example? | 07:21 |
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| asj | there's 2 gigs...and I'm not even 50% full and I have a lot of apps I'm sure compared to others | 07:21 |
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| TiagoTiago | Storage Usage says opt is using 1.2 gigs from /home | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | resizing a mounted partition isn't a wise thing | 07:23 |
| johnx | aaah, and you want to claim more space for your mp3s? | 07:23 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, ah, right. that is one of the big show stoppers | 07:23 |
| TiagoTiago | if i close all the programs on the dashboard, is there still somthing under /home that is needed? | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | opt for example | 07:24 |
| TiagoTiago | what in opt would be needed? | 07:25 |
| TiagoTiago | could the repartitioning be scheduled to the next boot to happen before it's mounted? | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lsof might tell you of a few things | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 07:26 |
| johnx | TiagoTiago, look, unless you're going to write an app to repartition the device, you're out of luck | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you dare to tamper with initscripts | 07:26 |
| johnx | and no, I don't recommend taking space away from opt | 07:26 |
| johnx | just get yourself a microsd card if you're out of space in MyDocs | 07:26 |
| johnx | or, delete some of your mp3s | 07:26 |
| johnx | good luck, back later | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | wait | 07:27 |
| johnx | no | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | he ran out of space in MyDocs⁇ | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | how is that even possible? | 07:27 |
| TiagoTiago | I just wanna grow /home and children, i know i'll have less space on the fat partition | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | I shrank my MyDocs to 2 GB and haven't even noticed | 07:27 |
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| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: the fat partition *is* the *only* child of /home | 07:27 |
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| TiagoTiago | i thought the fat partition had like 25 GB and not just 2 | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | yes | 07:28 |
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| TiagoTiago | Storage Space tells me /home, with opt inside, has only 2GB total, while MyDocs has a bunch og gigs | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | exactly? | 07:30 |
| TiagoTiago | of* | 07:30 |
| johnx | and you're out of space in opt? | 07:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | there is still 123 MB left there, i want more | 07:31 |
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| luke-jr | MOAR | 07:32 |
| TiagoTiago | oo, found a way in Storage Space to see consumption per package, it's in the "hidden" title bar menu :) | 07:33 |
| TiagoTiago | ooo* | 07:33 |
| johnx | doesn't help all that much. difficult to tell what space is used where | 07:34 |
| johnx | one of your games is probably using all the space in opt | 07:34 |
| johnx | away now :) mythbusters time :D | 07:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | du /opt |sort -n|less | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | then pick the greedy hog pkg and mv to MyDocs, and symlink | 07:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | I wish i hadn't believed when i was told i shouldn't worry about space, and instead repartitioned /home to a decent size before having instal!ed all the progs | 07:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df -h /home | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 384.1M 1.5G 20% /home | 07:46 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not exactly running a lean system here | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even: | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | du /home |sort -n|less | 07:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2G won't get lost by accident | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | thare has to be one app that better had its files installed to MyDocs rather than /opt or ~user | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | My take on that is summarized in | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 07:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nevertheless, 2G isn't exactly small | 07:50 |
| TiagoTiago | moment, uninstalling stuff, HAM keeps freezing everything | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, as you see even in URL above, any package eating up too large chunks of 2G /home is supposed to rather move such files to MySpace | 07:52 |
| TiagoTiago | less not found | 07:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I knew he'd say that ;-) | 07:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do you think you know how to cope with this, or should I suggest a few solutions? | 08:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | I'll study that page, if i still can't make things better i'll vome back | 08:02 |
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| TiagoTiago | lolcat93, flipping channels i've stumbled upon "Zombie Stripers" xP | 08:03 |
| TiagoTiago | erm, wtf?! | 08:04 |
| TiagoTiago | how did i do autocomplete? | 08:04 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 08:32 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahahaha: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6424/1480435621a76c04303e0b3.jpg | 09:11 |
| RST38h | The TRUE Mac Mini! | 09:11 |
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| ieatlint | wow, that's disturbing | 09:14 |
| ZogG | i think n9 design is shitty | 09:15 |
| ZogG | good night (i'm after night shift ) | 09:16 |
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| ieatlint | i still miss the keyboard on the g1 | 09:18 |
| ieatlint | easily the best i've had on a phone... | 09:19 |
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| ieatlint | also, with the recent complaints about the microusb port on the n900, and an editorial of sorts attributing it to the fact that the connector is simply soldered on... you'll all appreciate that the pics of the pcb of the n9 also appears to show the microusb port simply soldered on :P | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | ieatlint: someone else noticed it was done differently than on n900 | 09:22 |
| * ieatlint shrugs... looks like just solder to me http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277344 | 09:24 | |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: He is right, it is simply soldered on | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't it have to be soldered anyway? :P | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: not even the usual plastic goo to protect it. on the other hand, it is labeled as a B2 prototype | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well, if you *are* stupid/dogmatic enough to go with the microUSB for charging, you should at least screw it to the board | 09:29 |
| ieatlint | connectors are often attached to pcbs with plastic tabs to make them much more durable | 09:29 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: If you are too much of a miser to spend on screws, use the connector with the pins going all the way through the PCB | 09:30 |
| ieatlint | solder is of course an extremely soft metal that with stress will fail over time | 09:30 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But the supposed "N9" connector is simply surface-soldered. | 09:30 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: the PCB traces will most likely fall off first | 09:31 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 09:31 |
| ieatlint | haha, perhaps | 09:31 |
| ieatlint | that's even worse of a repair | 09:31 |
| ieatlint | i'm wondering if the issue on the n900 is just a matter of luck, abuse, or some combination thereof | 09:32 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Of course, a much easier solution would be to provide a 3.5" or even a 2" power plug socket | 09:32 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: oh, it is simple | 09:32 |
| flux | couldn't the port also be glued on in addition to being soldered on? or is that a difficult process-wise.. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | should just do it same way n810 had it for the small port.. | 09:33 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: it is a matter of bending the plug face down/up | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | plastic thing around it, easily replacable | 09:33 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: As long as you only bend it sideways, it is ok, but when you bend the whole thing up or down, the strain is too much and it comes off | 09:33 |
| ieatlint | heh, good to know | 09:34 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: this may happens either because of your habits pulling it out, or because somebody pulled the cable and the thing flew | 09:34 |
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| spinningcompass | OK, that settles it. Android can take a walk. *grumbles* | 09:40 |
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| ieatlint | also, hummus is awesome | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 09:45 |
| ieatlint | i should go get some hummus, flatbread and beer | 09:45 |
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| andre__ | hmm, should apps that install a .desktop file in /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon also automatically be listed in the "Add shortcut" list in the Desktop customization menu? | 09:55 |
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| fabrice | andre__, why should they not? | 09:57 |
| andre__ | yeah, I'm wondering | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | MohammadAG is a freaking genius btw | 10:02 |
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| RST38h | Especially if he pulls off a community SSU for N900 | 10:03 |
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| ieatlint | if he pulls off a community ssu, and i have the time, i'll actually look at trying to fix a bug or two or more | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: community ssu is easy.. | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | the timing is what might be problem | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | cos all hell breaks loose if a SSU comes out when people are using cssu :) | 10:19 |
| ieatlint | i now have beer, hummus and flatbread, i am pleased | 10:19 |
| johnx | ieatlint, your nick is false advertising :P | 10:19 |
| ieatlint | for you it is | 10:20 |
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| X-Fade | ieatlint: pics or it didn't happen ;) | 10:23 |
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| ieatlint | you want pics of my food/beer? | 10:23 |
| johnx | I think he wants pics of why your nick is 'ieatlint' :D | 10:24 |
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| ieatlint | beer is far more interesting | 10:25 |
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| johnx | so, I know there have been a couple general purpose daemons for mapping 'events' to 'actions' like ActionManager (and there was something kinda similar for Maemo 4) | 10:31 |
| johnx | Is there anything like that in a reasonably working state that works in a hardware abstracted general sort of way? | 10:31 |
| RST38h | moo johnx | 10:33 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | johnx: afaik maemo5 has no uniform way to report hw events | 10:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: so, prolly not | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | but listening to certain dbus messages and acting on them is as general as it gets | 10:34 |
| johnx | that and then I'd want to be able to trigger based on time | 10:34 |
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| RST38h | (and yes there was a tracker for adding uniform way of hw sensors querying/signalling which of course had not been acted upon) | 10:34 |
| johnx | I'm thinking it's easiest to just suck up the job of cron while I'm at it | 10:34 |
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| johnx | also, what was that 'uniform way'? Do you mean DSME or ...? | 10:36 |
| RST38h | The "Nokia N9 real leak" thread is surprisingly unsatisfying | 10:37 |
| RST38h | So many people who don't know what they are talking about and do not even know English there... | 10:37 |
| johnx | the news that it's 'RM-680' is possibly the most interesting thing | 10:37 |
| MiXu- | RST38h: You just summarized every forum in the internet. | 10:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: I mean a node in /dev which I can open and read from | 10:38 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Compare with N900 speculation threads (circa 1H2009) | 10:38 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Where most posters could actually be classified as human | 10:39 |
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| johnx | RST38h, so just have any process interested in being notified of an event sit there and read() from /dev/foo ? | 10:39 |
| MiXu- | RST38h: Yeah, then the mainstream ruined TMO. | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | johnx: yes, or use the linux notification mechanisms to see if this node ever gets changed | 10:40 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Not the mainstream. The kids. | 10:40 |
| VoltageX | Hi, I'm getting weird slowdowns on my N900, and I'm not sure what I've updated on it - extras-devel is enabled though. Transitions and scrolling are noticably jerky | 10:40 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: TMO as it was has pretty much been mainstream | 10:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, I suppose you're against cron since programs should just sleep? | 10:40 |
| VoltageX | RST38h: how do kids afford an N900? | 10:41 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Lots of different people there, power users most of them | 10:41 |
| RST38h | VoltageX: I do not know. Probably getting presents for BD, or buying it on their first paycheck ot something | 10:41 |
| MiXu- | RST38h: The mainstream always brings the kids with it | 10:41 |
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| johnx | VoltageX, running any interesting desktop widgets or statusbar applets? | 10:41 |
| johnx | also, what does top say? | 10:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: I think cron is a higher level of abstraction, it is ok for shell scripts etc but not if you are doing a standalone program | 10:42 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Again, depens on what you mean by mainstream | 10:42 |
| VoltageX | johnx: Data monitor widget, personal ip widget, what am I looking for in top? | 10:42 |
| MiXu- | RST38h: True. But consumer electronics mainstream is the thing that usually includes a bunch of kids. | 10:43 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: If by mainstream you mean the crowd of cell phone freaks who can't afford a flashy car, so they go for the next less expensive thing, then yes | 10:43 |
| johnx | in top? dunno, high CPU usage? some program using a whole bunch of memory? | 10:43 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Not necessarily. Consider business laptops. TVs. Dishwashers. | 10:43 |
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| MiXu- | RST38h: Ok. Point taken :) | 10:44 |
| RST38h | MiXu-: Cell phone has apparently become some kind of a status object for the kids. | 10:44 |
| VoltageX | johnx: I'm wondering if it's either the IP or Data widget leaking memory because I can't see anything standing out right now | 10:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, it just seems that there are a lot of programs that it would be useful to send a message to based on some set of user definable conditions, like 'battery charged' 'driving at 50+MPH' | 10:45 |
| johnx | VoltageX, could be. Also, did it come up slowly, or did it suddenly get slow? | 10:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yea, except Maemo Devices never thought about it | 10:46 |
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| VoltageX | noticed it during the day today. | 10:46 |
| RST38h | johnx: ANd they ignored my request to add it | 10:46 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I have been told that the kernel / drivers people are very difficult to talk to. They generally do not give a shit to what you want. | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | they seem very friendly to me, but sure.. | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, I don't think it needs to be at the kernel level. I figure it should be a daemon with a bunch of different backends, such as dbus and inotify and sleep() | 10:48 |
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| VoltageX | johnx: browserd has ~6 processes using 10% memory each | 10:48 |
| johnx | then it should either run a script as well as having a couple of special cases, such as sending a d-bus message | 10:48 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Then I hope you can ask them to do something on these bugs: | 10:48 |
| johnx | VoltageX, if it's exactly the same amount of memory in each, I'd bet that it's actually only 10% total, give or take | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | hmm, looks like the PS3 hack was a fake | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: do they exist in 2.6.35? | 10:49 |
| VoltageX | oh, right | 10:49 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, huh. interesting | 10:49 |
| kerio | crashanddie: typical | 10:49 |
| johnx | wonder how many pre-orders they got :> | 10:49 |
| RST38h | Bug #6038 | 10:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6038 Implement common device-level interface for accessing hw sensors | 10:49 |
| VoltageX | crashanddie: wow, got one of the australian shops very interested - hope he didn't put any money down | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | Bug #5329 | 10:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | well, at least a thousand I'd say | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | so they just made $150k | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: sensorfw in meego, 5329, we already have one in 2.6.35 | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | well, it's not really a fake, it's just useless to the population at large AFAICT | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | The unit they're running is already a debug unit | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | (You can purchase them for about $10k from Sony, it's for game development) | 10:50 |
| VoltageX | RST38h: that bug looks similar to the reaction I got from asking for direct access to the GPS | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, for Maemo5, when? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: check for these bugs in meego kernel and we'll see if anything can be done about it. some of these things are dealing with linux kernel directly though (and you need to convince linus & co) | 10:51 |
| RST38h | But I do not have Meego, I have Maemo5. | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think it's fair to assume kernel development beyond fixing bugs that aren't enhancements for maemo5 is dead. | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: didn't we have to read a file for the accelerometer interface? | 10:51 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: YOu have to OPEN, read, and CLOSE the file. For each reading. | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I know | 10:52 |
| RST38h | And the value is in floating point, as text | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: but how is that related to dbus? | 10:52 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: it is not, I do not know what you mean | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | 09:49 < RST38h> Bug #5329 | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | 09:49 < povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus | 10:52 |
| povbot | Bug 5329: Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus | 10:52 |
| RST38h | ah that | 10:52 |
| RST38h | the bug has been filed when the accelerometer-via-file access has not been made official yet | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | ah, ok | 10:53 |
| RST38h | and it is still relevant | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, agreed, the open/read/close is bollocks | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | sounds like college student-level implementation | 10:53 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Once again, the problem is that nobody has Meego here, so people want Meego Devices to fix their current firmware, not the next one | 10:54 |
| VoltageX | Is it too much to expect support for my 6 month old phone? | 10:54 |
| VoltageX | Nokia dropped the N900 too quickly | 10:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, so any thoughts on my horrible re-inventing the wheel abstraction idea? | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: (the usual list of arguments for that follows here) | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i don't really care, kernel development happens in upstream kernel and enhancements are rarely backported to earlier kernels. there's an active team upstreaming kernel patches to support n900 properly | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | VoltageX: erhm, not 6 months | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | VoltageX: in a couple of months, it'll be over a year old | 10:55 |
| crashanddie | VoltageX: IIRC, the warranty goes for a year | 10:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, from practical point of view, I suggest you take the EventDaemon (or whatever it is called) from Extras-Devel and enhance/rectify it the wa you would like | 10:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: I think it does what you want as far as events aggregation is concerned, but not cron | 10:55 |
| johnx | ah, you mean 'ActionManager' or is there another one? | 10:55 |
| VoltageX | crashanddie: I mean more like development | 10:55 |
| VoltageX | oh, and it only came out in Australia a month or two ago. | 10:56 |
| johnx | the PS2 only came out in Brazil recently ... | 10:56 |
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| RST38h | johnx: ActionManager probably | 10:56 |
| * RST38h never installed it | 10:56 | |
| crashanddie | VoltageX: so april is only 2 months ago? | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: file those bugs toward main linux kernel, bugzilla.kernel.org | 10:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: What you can do is make it listen to whatever dbus stuff it has to listen and signal events in a uniform way via a unix pipe | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | at least the sensor one | 10:57 |
| crashanddie | VoltageX: the N900 was released in April in Oz, I know, I was there for the launch | 10:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: So it will be the next best thing to the /dev/* stuff | 10:57 |
| VoltageX | crashanddie: oh, oops, I only paid a little attention to the date because I already had one. | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Nah, I would rather go to a nearby church and pray there. | 10:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh. not exactly where I was going. I was actually thinking mostly about it sending d-bus messages | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Not interested in kernel.org, it is in no way related to the device I have at hand | 10:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: It can do both. | 10:58 |
| johnx | I'm thinking about it more for making policy decisions | 10:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: But the thing is, most of these events are already present as MCE dbus messages | 10:58 |
| RST38h | What policy decisions? | 10:59 |
| johnx | So I want to solve the problem of 'how do I tell my tablet to start bittorrent automatically, when I'm on my home wifi, and my N900 is charging or mostly charged, and it's between 10PM and 6AM' | 10:59 |
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| RST38h | PROLOG! | 11:00 |
| * timeless drops off n900 for repairs :-) | 11:00 | |
| RST38h | (btw, it is already on the N900) | 11:00 |
| kerio | timeless: farewell, n900! | 11:00 |
| johnx | <_< | 11:01 |
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| timeless | sadly they don't have the part right now. So i need a temporary phone | 11:01 |
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| RST38h | but the truth is, most users cannot even program their VCR (when they had one, anyway), so your idea is somewhat too elaborate for them | 11:01 |
| timeless | this n81 8g isn't terrible for irc :-) | 11:02 |
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| johnx | so the other thing it should solve is 'when the device has been idle for 5 minutes on battery, and battery charge is less than 80%, what should it do' | 11:04 |
| RST38h | is there even a question? :) | 11:04 |
| johnx | just because most users can't understand cron syntax, doesn't mean they aren't taking advantage of tasks that run from cron | 11:04 |
| RST38h | stay idle, for Tentacled's sake! | 11:04 |
| johnx | but maybe it should kill your bittorrent client too? | 11:05 |
| RST38h | no, because I started it, so I probably want it running | 11:05 |
| andi- | heya, i got a problem with my N900 and sip-calls, i've added my sipgate.de account, i can call in to the device but incomming calls are always displayed as missed (not ringing once - they are getting dropped) and i've no option to use sip for outgoing calls (the dropdown menu only shows cellular and skype). Any ideas? | 11:05 |
| RST38h | ttg, bb | 11:05 |
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| timeless | from memory you need to set "use for phone calls" in advanced in voip settings for the account | 11:07 |
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| andi- | timeless: i wish i could see that option.. | 11:08 |
| timeless | which version and which locale? | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | andi-: your network is crap | 11:12 |
| andi- | newest upstream versions and english settings with german timezone | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | andi-: the RTP ports can't be established | 11:12 |
| andi- | crashanddie: from the notebook on the same wireless it works.. but thanks for the info ;) | 11:12 |
| timeless | the last n900 i met (mine oddly) was running 1.1 ... | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | andi-: hmm, weird | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | andi-: sipgate usually works fine | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | andi-: if I were home I'd make you connect to my server, but I'm at work at the moment | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | and can't really just give out SIP servers like that, not during my second week :D | 11:14 |
| andi- | i'll check if i've some weird "new version" of the sip plugin installed via test/devel.. maybe it's just something i can't remember anymore. | 11:15 |
| andi- | on the sipgate page ist says: Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2 sofia-sip/1.12.10devel.. | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | andi-: well, their SIP works | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | I'm connected to them via my server | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | back | 11:29 |
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| ieatlint | dbus in c is kinda eh | 11:32 |
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| johnx | saw that. was thinking of using glib | 11:33 |
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| ieatlint | glib is awesome, yes... not going to make dbus that great | 11:33 |
| johnx | heh | 11:33 |
| ieatlint | but it gives you a main loop with signal support so you can at least do stuff :P | 11:33 |
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| kerio | hmm... what can give you a main loop with signal support... oh right | 11:34 |
| kerio | POSIX | 11:34 |
| ieatlint | POSIX is overrated | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | you're overrated | 11:34 |
| johnx | POSIX is for Eunuchs | 11:34 |
| ieatlint | no, actually i'm pretty aptly rated as an idiot | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | no no, that is overrated as well :P | 11:35 |
| ieatlint | :P | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | (you asked for it) | 11:35 |
| johnx | I'm open to other options, but I think I need to speak D-Bus to get anywhere in this case | 11:35 |
| ieatlint | normally i don't get what i ask for though | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie | I have one simple rule about ass kicking. If you're asking for it, I have to let you have it. | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie | Quote from Taylor Mali | 11:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: No glib, please, no glib | 11:36 |
| ieatlint | fair enough... where do i have to go for it? | 11:36 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: what's your problem with glib? | 11:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, great. I'll have a daemon that links against Qt then? or maybe one written in python? | 11:37 |
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| * RST38h suddenly found out the comments on the N9 leak in Eldar's blog to be more sensible than the ones on TMO | 11:37 | |
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| RST38h | Not a good sign, really not a good sign... | 11:37 |
| johnx | ahaha | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 11:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: Why not do it in C, anyway? | 11:37 |
| johnx | I looked at the dbus API for C and it told me not to use it | 11:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: You only need to use it once, for a wrapper. | 11:38 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Then you can forget about it. | 11:38 |
| ieatlint | lol | 11:38 |
| ieatlint | c is awesome, as long as you don't have to learn it | 11:38 |
| RST38h | BTW, I hope to do the same thig with the meego touch API :) | 11:38 |
| ieatlint | and that applies to its libraries too | 11:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, it needs to go both ways for what I'm thinking, both receiving messages, checking conditions, then potentially sending a dbus message | 11:39 |
| RST38h | C is ok to learn and use | 11:39 |
| RST38h | there are several things which are cumbersome to do in C, but we have C++ for that | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Usually comes down to three API calls | 11:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: Receive, Send, SendAndWaitReply | 11:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: You wrap those three, and you are free to do your own stuff | 11:40 |
| johnx | yeah. I kinda thought it shouldn't be too hard, but when the API doc itself says "No, look over here" I tend to take notice | 11:40 |
| johnx | anyways, there's scheme bindings so I'll just do that instead. I never liked for and while anyways | 11:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: just means people who wrote it were assholes | 11:41 |
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| johnx | it told mE: WARNING: you should NOT use this API unless you absolutely have to. This is NOT designed for application developers. Application developers should use one of the bindings if at all possible. If you are writing in C then the GLib bindings are recommended. | 11:42 |
| ieatlint | it's right... and glib is decent methinks | 11:42 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Ok, use glib. | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Why the hell not... | 11:43 |
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| johnx | great. two votes for glib | 11:43 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Well, glib is designed by some hellbent C++ haters who successfully recreated C++ in C, with twice the mess | 11:43 |
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| ieatlint | haha | 11:44 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: But it is already on the device and everybody uses it, so why not | 11:44 |
| ieatlint | i'd argue that it backports some c++ features to c, so you can use them and still not have to deal with the mess that is c++ | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | You are not forced to deal with the WHOLE C++ standard | 11:45 |
| andi- | anyone can tell me where the telepathy plugins are stored or epsecially the sip plugin is located on the phone? | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Using it as a "better C" is perfectly ok and practiced by most programmers I have seen | 11:45 |
| ieatlint | it's how i treat c++, heh | 11:45 |
| ieatlint | but i still like c a lot | 11:45 |
| RST38h | As long as you preventively whack every person in your team who mutters "STL" or "multiple inheritance", or "let us use exceptions", you are ok | 11:46 |
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| ieatlint | haha | 11:46 |
| ieatlint | exceptions are an awesome idea | 11:46 |
| ieatlint | but impossible to maintain in any large program | 11:46 |
| RST38h | ON ERROR GOTO is an excellent idea? | 11:46 |
| ieatlint | hey, even knuth says goto has its place | 11:47 |
| RST38h | ieatlint <-- obviously has not understood the construct and where it came from | 11:47 |
| * ieatlint obviously is not as obtuse as others in here | 11:47 | |
| RST38h | google for it | 11:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 11:48 |
| kerio | RST38h: ON ERROR GOTO NEXT | 11:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/1008/61/6ced4d011b37.jpg <- OMWeather on it's tough way to MeeGo :) | 11:49 |
| RST38h | wazzzd: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6424/1480435621a76c04303e0b3.jpg | 11:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah, NokBook Pro :P | 11:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: Fun =) I have just started creating an EMULib port to MeegoTouch | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | wazd: No, Mac Mini Real(C) | 11:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: hehe :) | 11:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: Air I guess :) | 11:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: AirMore! | 11:50 |
| RST38h | or MoreAir, anyway | 11:50 |
| wazd | MAcBook Hydrogen :D | 11:50 |
| wazd | But I think it won't be silver anyway :) | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Eldar says it is supposed to be black "in most markets" | 11:51 |
| wazd | And "n9" label really bothers me :) | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: But, of course, usual warnings apply | 11:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: What bothers me is that it is running what looks like vanilla Meego UI | 11:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think it's an old photo | 11:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: I.e. we do not know if it is a Meego device, really ;) | 11:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: It looks the same as the device from old leaked ad | 11:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: so I think the body is real | 11:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: though it's not finished | 11:53 |
| RST38h | oh, the C0 aka E7 ? | 11:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah | 11:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: but that was clearly a symbian device | 11:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: nono, not video | 11:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: ad | 11:53 |
| RST38h | ah | 11:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: with sliding cartoonish stuff | 11:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: HTC'like | 11:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQoAgASnPQ&fmt=34 | 11:54 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, http://i.imgur.com/JEFqh.jpg | 11:55 |
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| TomaszD | shot with the n900 :) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 11:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: aaaaahahahha, check 0:14, there's an airbourne goat :D I guess this is the source of creativity for those crazy guys with donkey :D | 11:56 |
| kerio | are you talking about the nokiabook pro? | 11:56 |
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| * timeless rotf *crying* ? | 11:56 | |
| RST38h | wazd: well just look at the symbian foundation artwork... | 11:56 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yeah | 11:57 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, this one is a bit worse, but I like the expression on its face ;) http://i.imgur.com/yn50b.jpg | 11:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: still I'd prefer some hardware buttons on the front | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I think they are trying to capitalize on the idea that weird shit draws attention | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: 'omg this stick feels and looks like a N9'? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: (which of course ignores the fact the the punters have seen so much weird shit lately that NOTHING can draw their attention any more) | 11:59 |
| johnx | it's a game of escalation | 12:00 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, or "yeah, you took your picture, now gtfo, I have flies to catch" | 12:00 |
| johnx | eventually they'll have to physically throw a whole bunch of bouncy balls down a city street just to sell a TV | 12:00 |
| johnx | ...oh wait | 12:00 |
| TomaszD | it wasn't actually difficult to take these, they weren't scared by the n900, and it was about 5 centimeters away | 12:01 |
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| TomaszD | I just don't understand why the standard camera doesn't shoot in such beatiful quality when it clearly is able, the hardware ain't too shabby it looks like | 12:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, this will only have a local effect, while the rest will call it photoshopping | 12:03 |
| TomaszD | *camera-app | 12:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh. already getting to the point where tv spots come with a 'making of' video | 12:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: But I am eagerly awaiting live gladiator games (to the death) on the US TV, since that Gladiator movie | 12:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: It probably just requires a few really good lawyers | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: fcam? | 12:04 |
| TomaszD | yeah, this is fcam's bidding | 12:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, the TV show you're looking for is called "American Gladiators" | 12:04 |
| RST38h | johnx: Lame, weird competitions, no fatalities | 12:05 |
| TomaszD | locked the focus at 5cm, ISO100... | 12:05 |
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| TomaszD | it did keep hard-resetting my n900 every couple of pictures though, I think I was shooting too fast for processing | 12:06 |
| TomaszD | I hope this new version will be better | 12:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah. I couldn't resist suggesting it just based on the name | 12:06 |
| johnx | it's actually fairly old and totally goofy | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: nice pictures | 12:06 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, last one worth showing http://imgur.com/bnYn6 | 12:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: But the thing is, the public wants blood, it wants golden imperial banners, soldiers in dusty uniforms marching, heroic and scenic conquest of the barbarians, etc | 12:08 |
| TomaszD | I took dozens, but it's really hard to do a macro shot, even if the subjects are cooperating like this ;) | 12:08 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: shame about the backdrop here, my favourite is the second one, excellent bokeh and backdrop choice | 12:08 |
| crashanddie | macro is easy :P | 12:08 |
| TomaszD | yeah, but the fence was tall | 12:08 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah. but don't encourage them until I get the hell out of dodge | 12:09 |
| TomaszD | hmm, what's a bokeh :P | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | johnx: In the worst case, there should be some | 12:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: senatorial intrigue, but with the losing side getting torn apart by the crowds or at least crucified | 12:10 |
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| TomaszD | ok, now I know what's bokeh and I must assure you crashanddie that it was completely accidental, as well as the backdrop :) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: (on the other hand, I have not been in the US for a while, so maybe the tastes have changed, with the crisis and all) | 12:12 |
| johnx | yeah, the 'bread' might be more popular than the 'circus' at this point, but I think there's room for both | 12:13 |
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| Treibholz | there is still no rubust and working posibility to syncronize the calendar (or contacts) over the air, right? | 12:23 |
| johnx | intellisync to exchange? | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | MfE | 12:23 |
| johnx | though, isync to mac os x is working ok for me | 12:23 |
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| johnx | totally non-ideal, but not totally awful | 12:24 |
| Treibholz | I have neither an Exchange-Server nor a Mac. | 12:24 |
| johnx | some people have had some success using intellisync to google calendars | 12:24 |
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| Treibholz | in fact I do have an Exchange-server at work, but I don't want put my personal dates in there... | 12:25 |
| Treibholz | or my contacts. | 12:25 |
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| ngocketit | hi | 12:28 |
| ngocketit | I encountered mime type errors after issuing apt-get upgrade from scratch box | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | here is the errors list | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * Error in type 'application/x-pkcs12' | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * Error in type 'application/x-planperfect' | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * Error in type 'application/x-pw' | 12:29 |
| ngocketit | * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | harsh | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but that list is probably 200 lines long ;) | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ignore mime type errors in scratchbox | 12:33 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: thanks again for the hildon-desktop | 12:34 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Any hint of what other packages you are going to include into your SSU? | 12:34 |
| Khertan | Hello Everyone ! | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, probably pulseaudio | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | join #maemo-ssu | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | and you're welcome ;) | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I would be interested to take a look at PulseAudio code once again | 12:36 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 12:42 |
| timeless | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/failure-to-display-cad-screen.png | 12:43 |
| Venemo | just out of curiosity... what is the current status of the USB Host mode development for the N900? | 12:43 |
| Foob | Hi guys, is there any way to disable this virtual keyboard from jumping on my screen | 12:45 |
| Foob | And to get it only by pressing button | 12:45 |
| johnx | Foob, you want to hit a keyboard button to see the virtual keyboard? | 12:46 |
| Foob | yes | 12:47 |
| Foob | ee | 12:47 |
| Foob | This button in N800, what usually makes this full screen keyboard | 12:47 |
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| johnx | aaah, on the N800 | 12:48 |
| johnx | that's different then | 12:48 |
| johnx | hmm, mine isn't charged right now otherwise I'd look | 12:48 |
| Foob | You can disable this fullscreen mode, from settings. But I need to disable the whole virtual keyboard from jumping on my face. When I'm using one text based program | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | Foob: you can deactivat ethe virtual keyboard too | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | Foob: on my n810 I removed it completely | 12:55 |
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| Foob | Well the thing is, that I dont wan't to loose it totally | 13:00 |
| Foob | After all i have N800 | 13:00 |
| Foob | No physical keyboard :/ | 13:01 |
| Khertan | Hello all ! | 13:01 |
| timeless | foob =~ s/loose/lose/ | 13:02 |
| Khertan | Foob, a specifics purpose ? | 13:03 |
| johnx | Foob, ah, there's a script called when you plug in a usb keyboard or pair a bt keyboard. you could track it down, see what it does, then run that before starting your app | 13:03 |
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| Foob | Khertan, I have program what uses ncurse. | 13:06 |
| Foob | Menus are working with just clicking them, but same time my virtual keyboard is jumping up. And i have to close it everytime | 13:06 |
| Foob | or menus arent working correctly | 13:06 |
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| jani | Foob: disable vkb completely ? | 13:07 |
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| Foob | well I was thinking, that it might be easier. If i just use this physical button | 13:07 |
| Foob | to bring it up | 13:07 |
| Foob | when i actually need it | 13:07 |
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| Foob | Or actually just disabling vkb for a while would be ok | 13:10 |
| Foob | If i can bring it back, when I need it | 13:10 |
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| Khertan | Foob, arg i ll like to try ... but my n800 isn't running Maemo :) | 13:10 |
| Khertan | sorry | 13:10 |
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| Foob | Oh, what is your N800 running ? | 13:11 |
| Khertan | a custom things builded from mer :) | 13:12 |
| Khertan | with a mix of meego :) | 13:12 |
| Khertan | and there is just the xterm :) | 13:13 |
| Khertan | so on n800 it s not very usefull | 13:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:13 |
| juke_ | my header column in gtk doesn't appear since 2 weeks, have you got this bug ? | 13:13 |
| Khertan | by default it s doesn't appear | 13:14 |
| Khertan | in gtk maemo style | 13:14 |
| Foob | hmm | 13:14 |
| lcuk2 | morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrning \o | 13:14 |
| Foob | interesting | 13:14 |
| Khertan | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMoooooooooooooorrrninnnnnnnnnnnng Foob | 13:14 |
| Khertan | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMoooooooooooooorrrninnnnnnnnnnnng lcuk2 | 13:14 |
| Khertan | oups sorry stupid completion :) | 13:14 |
| juke_ | Khertan, ok | 13:14 |
| Foob | :D | 13:14 |
| Foob | hmm | 13:14 |
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| Foob | what else I could install to my n800 | 13:15 |
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| Khertan | I know that some are trying to build meego handset for n800 | 13:15 |
| Khertan | I know that some are trying to build meego handset for n800/n810 | 13:15 |
| Khertan | oh god i hope the n9 leaked image are fake ... :) | 13:15 |
| Foob | heehe | 13:16 |
| Foob | Khertan | 13:16 |
| Foob | actually if you think about it... | 13:16 |
| Foob | on my table I have N800 N810 and N900 | 13:16 |
| Foob | :D | 13:16 |
| * Stskeeps looks at his office | 13:16 | |
| Foob | and somewhere in this room there is also N770 | 13:16 |
| Khertan | Foob, n810 n900 n900 on my desktop currently :) | 13:17 |
| Foob | or was it nokia 770 | 13:17 |
| jaska | just nokia 770, not n.. predates n-series | 13:17 |
| Foob | Hee, Actually only N800 is from me | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | two dead 770's, 2x n800, 1xn810, 1xn900, a omapzoom2, a joggler, an aava mobile, smartq5.. | 13:17 |
| Foob | everything else company owns | 13:17 |
| Khertan | aava mobile ? | 13:17 |
| Foob | :< | 13:17 |
| Khertan | huhu | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: for work | 13:18 |
| Khertan | each time i use the keyboard of the n810 i found the n900 one better ... but i regret the n810 screensize | 13:18 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, yes i didn't doubt but i think none was available yet | 13:19 |
| Foob | Hehe | 13:20 |
| juke_ | do u know how can i force to show gtk column header ? | 13:21 |
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| mavhk | nokia could have lead the way with 4" phones | 13:23 |
| Surfa | i would never carry a 4" phone to anywhere.. | 13:24 |
| Khertan | juke_, .show_headers methods will show headers | 13:24 |
| Khertan | Surfa, i ll carry a 4' phone everywhere | 13:25 |
| mavhk | everyone's making them now | 13:25 |
| mavhk | Khertan: is that a phone in your pocket.... | 13:25 |
| Khertan | mavhk, i have always put my n810 in my pocket | 13:25 |
| Surfa | Khertan, crazy | 13:26 |
| Khertan | and take it everywhere | 13:26 |
| Khertan | not crazy ... matters of preferences ... | 13:26 |
| mavhk | me too | 13:26 |
| Khertan | give user the choice ... make same device with same hardware ... just some little differences | 13:26 |
| mavhk | I'm not paying smartphone bills, I'll buy a kindle for free 3g browsing | 13:26 |
| Khertan | a n900 with small screen and a n910 with a larger one will content everyone | 13:27 |
| Khertan | (and maybe an n901 without hw keyboard) | 13:27 |
| mavhk | they're not going to make variations unless the software is actually ready | 13:28 |
| Khertan | mavhk, lol ... Maemo can handle the variation | 13:28 |
| Khertan | same resolution on screen ... but with different size | 13:28 |
| Khertan | and software didn't see any difference | 13:29 |
| mavhk | I mean cost wise | 13:29 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 13:30 |
| Khertan | they will never made any varations so | 13:30 |
| Khertan | and why they do variations for symbian ? the os is far from being ready since it s firt versions :) | 13:30 |
| mavhk | well, they didn't much when it was epoc | 13:32 |
| Foob | hmm | 13:33 |
| Khertan | i didn't like this new mode that every company are trying to force (and apple the first) where one design is the better one and fills everyone needs | 13:33 |
| Foob | Sorry about spam of questions, but you guys know how to disable this power saving mode | 13:33 |
| Foob | or what ever it is | 13:33 |
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| Brik | Foob: you mean on wireless/whatever? | 13:40 |
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| Foob | wireless | 13:42 |
| Foob | basically | 13:42 |
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| Khertan | bbl ... | 13:43 |
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| user_ | Whenever I use Ctrl-F in the browser, I have to scroll the see the highlighted find | 13:45 |
| user_ | Is that normal? | 13:45 |
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| user_ | The result won't render on the screen unless I scroll first | 13:46 |
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| Brik | Foob: internet connections -> select the connection -> edit -> next until you get advanced ->advanced: should be under there | 13:53 |
| flashn | Hmmm | 13:54 |
| flashn | My n900 has stopped interfacing with the USB port, cant charge through it from the computer, nor does it show up as a device | 13:55 |
| sharpneli | It's broken. Quite common problem. | 13:56 |
| sharpneli | As the port is attached to the device with only small solder pads it tends to get ripped off extremely easily. Use your warranty to replace the device. | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | flashn: does it charge with a wall charger? | 14:02 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah the other possibility is that the computer has a broken usb port :p | 14:03 |
| flashn | it charges with the wall charger | 14:03 |
| flashn | but I have tried 2-3 different computers | 14:03 |
| flashn | and all the usb ports | 14:03 |
| flashn | which works with other devices | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | Broken cable? | 14:03 |
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| Skyscraper | hello everybody | 14:03 |
| flashn | Im gonna try some updates then its off to service | 14:03 |
| flashn | X-Fade, hardly, works for my colleague on his htc desire | 14:04 |
| Skyscraper | anyone tried to get working the "Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro" (for PS3 xD) with the N900? | 14:04 |
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| Skyscraper | yesterday i managed to get the Logitech diNovo Edge Keyboard AND Touchpad from my brother working on N900... but only the keyboard layout is a bit wrong (äöü ...) | 14:06 |
| Skyscraper | so i think it should be possible with that other logitech board, too? | 14:07 |
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| ShadowJK | i think keyboard layout problems are common with bluetooth and n900 | 14:09 |
| ShadowJK | iirc there's a thread on tmo somewhere.. :/ | 14:09 |
| RST38h | my bt keyboard does not work with n900 at all., what layout problems? | 14:09 |
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| Skyscraper | hm | 14:19 |
| Skyscraper | RST38h: i can set model to pc105 and layout us with setxkbmap | 14:19 |
| Skyscraper | but i CANT set model pc105 and layout de - and its an qwertz keyboard with öäü etc | 14:20 |
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| Skyscraper | but the touchpad from the diNovo edge works very great without problems... when i use the script to display mousecursor its like a normal pc ;) | 14:21 |
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| Skyscraper | maybe i will buy an Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro for PS3 later this day... i need external keyboard for n900 | 14:22 |
| Skyscraper | so i can chat and surf via my n900 very fast... and display it on tv, for example | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: apple wireless keyboard | 14:24 |
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| Skyscraper | jacekowski: pricing?! | 14:24 |
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| Skyscraper | ah and jacekowksi ? with your modified fmtxd the fmboost script doenst work anymore, right?! | 14:25 |
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| jacekowski | Skyscraper: well, it works | 14:27 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: but it's not required | 14:27 |
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| Skyscraper | jacekowski i need a fixed rate of 118 for fmtx - otherwise i have no clear signal in my car... - with original fmxtd and fmboost it works... with your fmtxd and fmboost it doenst works?! | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | my fmtxd defaults to 120 | 14:28 |
| Skyscraper | omg? 118 is maximal allowed for the fmtx chip? | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:29 |
| Skyscraper | i've seen the specifications of the chip | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | not the full spec | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | but anyways | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | do you have hex editor at hand? | 14:30 |
| Skyscraper | but with 120 it should be very nice in my car without problems? but with your fmtxd it wont work :/ | 14:30 |
| Skyscraper | hm not directly but i can get one | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | i can give you offsets to modify | 14:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | 118 is hardware max | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 120 is ignored | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And treated as 118 | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 14:32 |
| Skyscraper | ah okay.... maybe this is the problem ;) | 14:32 |
| Skyscraper | maybe values higher than 118 would be reset to 114 or slt? | 14:32 |
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| jacekowski | 27C0 - | 14:33 |
| jacekowski | 27C8 | 14:33 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 14:33 |
| jacekowski | 27D8 and 27C0 - change to 0x75 | 14:34 |
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| Skyscraper | then its 118? | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | 27C8 and 27DC change to 0x76 | 14:34 |
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| jacekowski | and it will default to 118 | 14:34 |
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| jacekowski | but modify my modified fmtxd | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | it will not work on original one | 14:35 |
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| Skyscraper | yes i will do^^... i need your modified version ;) - because i need active fmtxd while connected headset/external mic/input | 14:36 |
| Skyscraper | can i mirror your modified fmtxd on my homepage? | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | where do you live? | 14:37 |
| Skyscraper | germany | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | if you want to go to prison | 14:38 |
| Skyscraper | why that? xD | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | it's illegal | 14:38 |
| Skyscraper | oh - dont know oO | 14:38 |
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| Skyscraper | why its illegal? | 14:39 |
| Skyscraper | because you modify nokia closed source with disassembling or because its not legal to have txrate 118 in germany`? | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | is that the one that can transmit on TV frequencies? :D | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | Skyscraper, modified binary | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | you may not disassemble binaries | 14:42 |
| Skyscraper | hm okay thats why its illegal? | 14:42 |
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| MohammadAG | 118 could also be illegal :P | 14:43 |
| ToeiRei | Hi | 14:43 |
| Skyscraper | hm... so nokia should open the code from fmtxd then it isnt illegal? xDd | 14:43 |
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| MohammadAG | they won't open it | 14:45 |
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| Skyscraper | i know... but WHEN they would do it... its lgal | 14:46 |
| Skyscraper | legal | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: well both | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | then 118 will still be illegal | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | but | 14:46 |
| Skyscraper | MohammadAG: when will you upload next ubuntu image? | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | there are different laws about disassembling | 14:47 |
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| jacekowski | UK law is quite lax about that | 14:47 |
| Skyscraper | jacekowski ok i WONT upload your binary to my homepage :D | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | Skyscraper, probably tonight | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | you can legally disassemble stuff | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | for research purposes | 14:47 |
| ToeiRei | fmtxd? | 14:47 |
| Skyscraper | yeah sounds good MohammadAG | 14:47 |
| ToeiRei | isn't that the radio transmitter stuff? | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | it is | 14:47 |
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| ToeiRei | uhm... there are also legal things regarding frequencies you'll have to keep in mind. | 14:48 |
| ToeiRei | as far as I know you shouldn't be able to send below 88.0 and above 108.0 | 14:48 |
| ToeiRei | at least here in .at | 14:48 |
| ToeiRei | which is quite similar to germany | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | well, that's illegal as well | 14:49 |
| ToeiRei | jacekowski: found a new favorite word, huh? | 14:49 |
| Skyscraper | yes but i dont need that... i'm sending on 88.1 which is very free frequency | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | favorite words are illegal | 14:49 |
| ToeiRei | :P | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'm testing 87.5 today | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | never seen a 76.1 radio | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | just little bit illegal then | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: japan | 14:50 |
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| * ShadowJK has a 50-180 radio | 14:50 | |
| MohammadAG | well, the car radio goes down to 87.5 | 14:50 |
| ToeiRei | I never got mine working with the radio in the car | 14:50 |
| ToeiRei | maybe the metal of the car shields it too much to work | 14:50 |
| Skyscraper | my car radio goes 88.0-107.9 | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | ToeiRei: keep it close to radio | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | when i get free time i want to try enable the fmtx chip's find-free-frequency | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | I plug into a car charger and raise power to 118 | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | transmission reaches the car next to it on the road (tested this xD) | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's not fmtx chip feature | 14:51 |
| ToeiRei | jacekowski: I can't stuff it into the radio. by now it's below the radio device. | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it needs fm reciever for that | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, i thought i saw it in the datasheet | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no, it doesn't. | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: There is a power reciever in the FMTX chip | 14:52 |
| ToeiRei | btw - I got the N900 since a few days... is anyone able to confirm ActiveSync problems? | 14:52 |
| Skyscraper | MohammadAG: but its not possible to override real stations with fmtx 118 | 14:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | Skyscraper, when it's plugged into the car I can | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, it completely overrides it | 14:53 |
| * ShadowJK can override any station without fmboost.. at a range of 1-2m :) | 14:53 | |
| Skyscraper | MohammadAG: wtf? how do you do that? - i need to search free freqencys | 14:53 |
| RST38h | That will depend on your receiver | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | With a peltor headset radio, the N900 boosted fmtx has a range of about 30-50m indorors.. with the newer radio receivers it's more like 10m | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | It all depends on how crappy your radio is. | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | The crappier the better. | 14:54 |
| RST38h | In general, FM receivers will latch onto the strongest signal | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | ahhh | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | fmtx can recieve as well | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I doubt chevy radios are crap :P | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | especially 09 ones | 14:54 |
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| sharpneli | Also the orientation of your phone is quite essential. | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | Skyscraper, just plug into a "car charger" | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | or in my case | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well if they aren't shielded well, fmtx works a lot better. | 14:55 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: well, they no longer make good radios, with AM gone and FM localized | 14:55 |
| Skyscraper | MohammadAG: car charger is very BAD... - i use DCAC converter with AC10e | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | a 12-240V transformer | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | same here then | 14:55 |
| Skyscraper | ^^ | 14:55 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, actually many cheaper radios are better, where cheaper means ones with lots of analog components | 14:55 |
| Skyscraper | works very great because car chargers have only 500mA normally | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yeah I know, but it works fine in a shielded radio here | 14:56 |
| ShadowJK | the radio-on-a-chip modern things are crap | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | well, not "in" | 14:56 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia DC-10 microusb car charger gives 1200mA :) | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And also antenna cable has a lot to do with it. | 14:56 |
| RST38h | Anyways, with the Sony audio center, I only get 20cm of distance with N900, even at the highest signal strength | 14:56 |
| Skyscraper | ShadowJK: maybe - but when i buy this, i can buy a 12 -> 230 V converter for 15€,too - and use original nokia AC10 - its cheaper | 14:57 |
| RST38h | i.e. N900's FMTX is fairly useless in my case | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | See the inherent_limitations section in the FM transmitter page | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Irt's designed to be | 14:57 |
| RST38h | with the car radio, I get a couple of meters maybe, as long as N900 is not blocked by my hand | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | where is the transmitter | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Nowhere near 30-50m, or even 10m | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: antenna should be at the left upper corner | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is really a receiver issue. | 14:58 |
| * MohammadAG solders a 10 foot antenna to it | 14:58 | |
| * MohammadAG solders the antenna to a satellite | 14:58 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Both receivers have no problem receiving broadcasting FM stations | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Those are 1000s of times more powerfull ;) | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Kilowatts instead of nanowatts. | 14:59 |
| Skyscraper | i think its important in what angle you hold your n900 to radio/antenna | 14:59 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, if you manage to solder your n900 to an antenna big enough for a sat, then perhaps we could get some small monkeys to climb it! | 14:59 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: No, then you should just use line-out ;) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-144 | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, the 30-50m involved careful placement of N900 /and/ the receiver antenna :) | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: they are also much further away | 15:00 |
| lcuk | hehe | 15:00 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh, no placement can sole my distance problem, tried many :) | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: with a transmitter antenna too? | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, no just n900 | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: connect USB cable (loose) to n900 | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | FMTX goes a lot further | 15:01 |
| Skyscraper | lol? | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: ! | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: ? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, connect it fully, FMTX goes a lot lot further | 15:02 |
| Skyscraper | open USB-Cable helps fmxt? | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean with stock firmware | 15:02 |
| Skyscraper | fmtx | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Headphone cable probably works even better | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | stock firmware here :P | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Because it is used for FMRX antenna anyway | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | headphone cable turns off tx with stock firmware | 15:02 |
| RST38h | oh | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | usb doesn't | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | basically inside a large building with many wires and cables running from floor to ceiling, it formed "bubbles" with no reception as near as 5m of n900, and bubbles with perfect reception as far as 50m :) | 15:03 |
| Skyscraper | headphone cable DOESNT disables fmtx :D - i love modified fmtxd | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | he said stock | 15:03 |
| Skyscraper | jip | 15:03 |
| Skyscraper | stock is bad :p | 15:03 |
| Skyscraper | so i can transmit any external mono-source to fm with n900 | 15:04 |
| ShadowJK | the environment at work is harsh for fm, ethernet blocks out 97-103 approx, nearby residential cable network leaks so much that the real fm chans get blocked in many parts :) | 15:05 |
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| Skyscraper | so... installing little hed exit | 15:07 |
| Skyscraper | hex edit ^^ | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG | pulseaudio is restarted at start up right? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | i.e I have to reboot to apply new packages | 15:09 |
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| Venemo | or simply killall pulseaudio | 15:11 |
| Venemo | or type in the terminal: | 15:12 |
| Venemo | stop pulseaudio | 15:12 |
| Venemo | start pulseaudio | 15:12 |
| Venemo | worksform | 15:12 |
| Venemo | worksforme | 15:12 |
| Skyscraper | jacekowski: | 15:13 |
| Skyscraper | 27D8 and 27C0 - change to 0x75 | 15:13 |
| Skyscraper | 27C8 and 27DC change to 0x76 | 15:13 |
| Skyscraper | done | 15:13 |
| Skyscraper | should work now? | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | es | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | yes* | 15:14 |
| Skyscraper | ok.. will ssh it in a moment to my n900 | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | hm, there seems to be a new ca-146c without cable part, bigger enclosure instead | 15:14 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe they thibk bigger plastic heatsink will fix it :) | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean no USB cable??? | 15:15 |
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| ShadowJK | looks like a usb plug attached to a doublematchbox size box | 15:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | stupid | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | given a known fragile connector | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | ya :) | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, perv! | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | who's on facebook twitter | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | who's on facebook/twitter* | 15:30 |
| lcuk | your comment about someone doing a recital of HGTG | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | does opening either make music stutter? | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | I'd imagine those sites with js and flash enabled consume large amounts of ram | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Ah. | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: What's wrong - you don't like douglas adams? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | lol nope | 15:32 |
| lcuk | just the description of the recital | 15:32 |
| lcuk | do let us know if theres a repeat ummm performance | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | That would imply I regularly watch. | 15:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:34 |
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| korhojoa_ | Skyscraper: could you send a patch? | 15:38 |
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| crashanddie | newsflash, the moon may have shrunk 300 feet (~100m) over the past billion years | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | in other news, statistically speaking you are more likely to die than reach 100 years of age, and teenagers jerk off regularly | 15:43 |
| alterego | Thanks for the update, that's very interesting news. | 15:44 |
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| crashanddie | anytime | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | I think I might apply for a repoter position at Fox News | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I dispute that fact. | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Regularly implies a schedule. | 15:45 |
| Skyscraper | korhojoa_: for what? | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: actually, it means "with constant frequency or pattern", so if the pattern is 3 days without, one day with, then it's "regularly" | 15:46 |
| korhojoa_ | Skyscraper: err, fmtxd? | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it could even mean "zero or more times a day", and still be a pattern | 15:46 |
| Skyscraper | korhojoa_: http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD | 15:47 |
| korhojoa_ | ahh. how handy | 15:47 |
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| Skyscraper | korhojoa_: fixes automatic disable of fmtx when plugging headset | 15:49 |
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| korhojoa_ | Skyscraper: I noticed. Me gusta. | 15:51 |
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| vltR | is it true that modified fmtxd sets FMTX power to 120 ? | 15:58 |
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| vltR | somebody written that at talk.maemo.org but on jacekowski.org there's no word about that | 15:59 |
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| aquatix | SpeedEvil: every half a day? | 16:01 |
| * aquatix hasn't been a teenager for while anymore, so might be off | 16:01 | |
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| chem|st | vltR: didn't measure but I guess it does | 16:03 |
| jacekowski | vltR: yes it is true | 16:03 |
| chem|st | hi jace | 16:03 |
| chem|st | but truely I don't get any difference, with boost or without | 16:04 |
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| chem|st | subjective... | 16:04 |
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| jacekowski | well, more important thing is that it doesn't reduce power when cables are connected | 16:06 |
| jacekowski | and connecting cables will make it better | 16:06 |
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| jacekowski | rotfl | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/08/20/how-to-make-your-n900s-fm-transmitter-work-in-the-76-0mhz-107-9mhz-range/ | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | . Follow this TMO thread for more. Original hack by Jake Kowski. | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | Jake Kowski | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | that's new | 16:08 |
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| aquatix | jacekowski: butbutbut, you're jake right? ;) | 16:09 |
| aquatix | gotta love those name fails | 16:10 |
| jacekowski | no | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | i'm not jake | 16:11 |
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| jacekowski | i'm quite surprised that nobody took that t.m.o thread down | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | because it's illegal | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, illegal threads? | 16:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not illegal in japan | 16:19 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 16:25 |
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| vltR | jacekowski: from poland? :) me bialystok ;) | 16:26 |
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| jacekowski | vltR: well, i don't live in poland at the moment | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | hmm, can you have fmrx running at the same time as fmtx? | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes - from a hardware pov | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The stock software won't let it | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | who uses stock nowadays | 16:34 |
| kerio | stupid nokia :( | 16:34 |
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| jacekowski | so fmtx can transmit | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | and fmrx can map free frequencies | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | based on noise levels | 16:34 |
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| jacekowski | and with rds radio should be able to follow changes | 16:34 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, LOTS of people use stock software and will continue to do for a long time | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | instead of doing it with fmtx only | 16:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | fmtx can find free frequencies faster | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | the engine is designed for spedd | 16:35 |
| lardman | hmm, have not tried fmtx | 16:35 |
| lardman | I always thought it was just a desktop plugin | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean the hardware | 16:36 |
| kerio | fmtx can also check noise levels | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and I suppose that's disabled too? | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | no - not enabled | 16:40 |
| kerio | not used, actually | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Same as tap events on the accellerometer, and adjacent cell information in the phone. | 16:40 |
| kerio | nobody made a scanner yet | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, let me guess, enabling it isn't the easiest thing to do | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: yeah, but fmrx can do it in background without any interruption | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> fmtx can find free frequencies faster | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> the engine is designed for spedd | 16:44 |
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| jacekowski | it will still take time | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | so instead of having couple second interruption to scan for frequencies | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | fmrx can scan for them | 16:45 |
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| lardman | hmm, not sure if I can stop holding my breath now that PythonQT has started building | 16:49 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, just don't pass out. | 16:51 |
| lardman | GAN900: yeah, I gave up when it all went black around the edges, and it's still compiling so sacrificing the goat must have helped too | 16:52 |
| lcuk | lardman, you are interested in a2dp stuff aren't you? (hi btw) | 16:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: vaguely interested, not overly relevant for me atm though as I've not had a chance to play with the DSP on the N900 | 16:53 |
| lardman | hi too :) | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | okies :) | 16:54 |
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| lardman | what was it though, go on | 16:54 |
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| derf | I've had a _much_ easier time with the C64x than I ever did with the C55x. | 16:56 |
| derf | Like, I actually got something that worked at the end. | 16:56 |
| lardman | oh cool :) | 16:56 |
| derf | Though perhaps this was because I had someone else doing the hard work :). | 16:57 |
| lardman | Well the SBC encoder worked, but just wasn't useful what with the memory transfers | 16:57 |
| lardman | I imagine 8bit types would be nice and helpful :) | 16:57 |
| derf | For video, they're essential. | 16:57 |
| lardman | nah, you can do lots of ORing ;) | 16:58 |
| lardman | I got bored of that though and moved onto other things | 16:58 |
| derf | Not if you expect things to run in a reasonable amount of time. | 16:58 |
| lardman | yes, that was a minor issue ;) | 16:58 |
| derf | C64x also has a bunch of SIMD instructions, etc. | 16:58 |
| derf | It's much more capable overall. | 16:59 |
| derf | Though it's considered the gas-guzzling SUV of DSPs. | 16:59 |
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| lardman | well they've added 9 to the CXX so I'd hope so :) | 16:59 |
| lardman | derf: what are you up to these days? | 17:00 |
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| lardman | still audio & video codecs? | 17:00 |
| derf | Yeah. | 17:00 |
| derf | I've managed to get a full-time job doing it, finally. | 17:00 |
| lardman | cool, well done | 17:01 |
| derf | Only took a decade. | 17:01 |
| lardman | lol | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: Congratrs! | 17:02 |
| derf | Thanks. | 17:02 |
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| lardman | damn, spoke too soon about PythonQT | 17:03 |
| lardman | pyuic or somesuch doesn't exist | 17:04 |
| lardman | anyone know what pyuic is? | 17:06 |
| lardman | Actually do we have a maemo-Python channel around here? | 17:06 |
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| GAN900 | It's the thing they put in the keep lardman from making things work. | 17:08 |
| lardman | yeah, buggers! | 17:09 |
| lardman | :) | 17:09 |
| lardman | It's the thing they put in to annoy lardman enough that he can't be bothered to compile the package that is a dep for the work he wants to do | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 17:11 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:11 |
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| Venemo | alterego: ping | 17:13 |
| Venemo | ~seen alterego | 17:13 |
| infobot | alterego is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 73 messages. Is idling for 1h 29m 35s, last said: 'Thanks for the update, that's very interesting news.'. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ~seen icee | 17:14 |
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| infobot | i haven't seen 'icee', SpeedEvil | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | can anyone point me at a python based map thingy? | 17:28 |
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| lardman | python based, or one with bindings? | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | python based | 17:29 |
| lardman | iirc libchamplain has bindings | 17:29 |
| lardman | oh, sorry | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone is looking for a python map program | 17:29 |
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| lardman | what version of Qt do we have on the device? | 17:29 |
| lardman | 4.6.x? | 17:29 |
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| crashanddie | Nokia announced Friday that it will acquire Motally, a small, privately held mobile analytics firm in San Francisco. | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | Staffed by a team of only eight people, Motally offers mobile app developers a service for tracking the usage of their software. The goal is to help developers enhance and optimize their apps by understanding how people use them. | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20014217-94.html | 17:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wonder if this is related to 360 | 17:44 |
| Kht_Away | crashanddie, they should before offer a plateform for developper to sell and distribute their apps | 17:45 |
| Kht_Away | ovi isn't one :) | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | ov... oh | 17:45 |
| lcuk | lardman, yes, 4.6 is default since pr1.2 with 4.7 in -devel | 17:45 |
| Kht_Away | lardman, still here ? | 17:46 |
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| Kht_Away | lardman, 4.6.2 ... pyuic is available on device | 17:46 |
| Kht_Away | maemo-Python channel <<< no python channel ... but pyqt channel have some maemo addict :) | 17:46 |
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| Khertan | and if you have any pyqt question maybe i can answer it :) | 17:47 |
| Khertan | and a pyqt apps example : gitorious.org/khteditor or gitorious.org/khweeteur ... and there is many pyqt apps already in repo | 17:48 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | daft question. how do you lower the colour depth in maemo ? | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | you don't | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | you don't even imagine how many things will break | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: BTW, following on from the MeeGo Touch Framework tutorial, do you know if there's an equivalent one focussed on nicely interactive Qt apps? | 17:48 |
| lardman | Khertan: yep, am here | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | and it will stop hardware acceleration | 17:48 |
| lardman | Khertan: ah, I don't want PyQT, I want PythonQT which allows one to embed the python interpreter in a Qt app so I can perform scripting | 17:49 |
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| lardman | http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq23-pythonqt.html | 17:49 |
| lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN], to what end are you wanting lower colour depth? | 17:49 |
| lcuk | because when I started, it was one of hte questions I asked | 17:50 |
| lcuk | and I ended up using XVideo and the YUV overlay to allow 256greyscale | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: teh* | 17:50 |
| Khertan | lardman, such strange idea ... why not use python everywhere | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | In some cases lowering bit depth can reduce power | 17:50 |
| lcuk | (I just neglected drawing onto the UV layers initially | 17:50 |
| lardman | Khertan: lol | 17:50 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but it will disable hardware acceleration | 17:50 |
| ToeiRei | re. | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one laptop that uses 10% less powerr at 4 bit, than 24 | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: one of quirks of linux X | 17:50 |
| Khertan | lardman, let me look :) | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: hardware acceleration works only on 24bpp | 17:51 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, it depends if the intermediate compositor handles it happily | 17:51 |
| lcuk | its mute really because things will break | 17:51 |
| lcuk | but its not a technical foregone conclusion | 17:51 |
| lcuk | and jacekowski thats really good since x11 is in 15bit mode | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | so reevaluate your point quickly ;) | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | no wai | 17:52 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | i was hoping to use 16bit. | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 17:52 |
| lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN], what are you using to do the drawing etc | 17:53 |
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| jacekowski | well, desktop 3d | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | ati drivers and nvidia drivers require 24bit | 17:53 |
| lcuk | oh, sorry I forgot we were on a desktop linux channel | 17:53 |
| lcuk | :|A | 17:53 |
| lcuk | that would be cool actually to plugin a new graphics card to maemo device | 17:54 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | yep. lower the desktop colour bpp in hildon | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | well, you sort of can | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | x can do 3d over network | 17:54 |
| lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN], to know you want to lower it you must have evidence its using a higher BPP | 17:55 |
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| * lcuk has to convert 24BPP YUV images down to 15/16bit for viewing on X11 ximage | 17:56 | |
| lardman | fwiw here's my error: http://maemo.pastebin.com/qWeV6s7w | 17:56 |
| Khertan | lardman, ouch hard to found "pythonqt" documentation with google ... it s cache all python+qt | 17:56 |
| lardman | have to pop out and pick up my wife's car | 17:56 |
| lardman | yeah, the project page is here: http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ | 17:56 |
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| lardman | bbl anyway, any thoughts gladly accepted :) | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | lardman, uic is in a devel package | 17:57 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | fair enough, its just speculation really to see of it would speed up the desktop | 17:57 |
| lcuk | sure [DarkGUNMAN] - which parts are bottlenecks for you? | 17:58 |
| alterego | Venemo: pong? | 17:58 |
| * lcuk thinks desktop runs well on the whole | 17:58 | |
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| lardman|away | Khertan: (not quite gone yet), yeah uic is present | 17:59 |
| lardman|away | not sure why the error | 17:59 |
| Khertan | uic maybe but pyuic ? | 17:59 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | an experiment to see if scrolling and transitions are better. possibly .avi files. | 17:59 |
| lcuk | avi files would be a different case usually because they would use the nice rapid renderer afaik | 18:00 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | if its easy for someone with limited experience like me to do | 18:00 |
| * lcuk never experiences problems watching movies | 18:00 | |
| lcuk | scrolling is different to transitions also - you can tweak the transitions.ini file to find a different balance | 18:00 |
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| Venemo | alterego: well, I solved it since then :P | 18:01 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | me neither, but i know i had issues with tv streaming during the world cup, mplayer needed less detail to run smooth | 18:01 |
| Venemo | alterego: I wanted to port fpaste to Maemo :P | 18:02 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | though vlc had issues at times as well | 18:02 |
| lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN], streaming video has problems beyond local optimisations | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | because you are working many more components ontop of an unreliable connection | 18:03 |
| Venemo | alterego: and I succeeded :P | 18:05 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | never mind, it was just an idea :) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN], of course | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | plus, I can only imagine that the world cup wasn't exactly bandwidth friendly on streaming servers | 18:05 |
| Venemo | alterego: just pinged you, because it was Python code and I never worked with Python | 18:05 |
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| spinningcompass | Are there Hildon bindings / libraries to enable PyQt users to use the N810/N900-specific goodies? | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie | going home, 'later | 18:09 |
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| mva | help!!! | 18:34 |
| mva | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/252454/ | 18:34 |
| Venemo | mva: hey | 18:34 |
| Venemo | mva: how did you get to this? | 18:35 |
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| mva | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade | 18:36 |
| Venemo | mva: what repos do you have enabled? | 18:36 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a | 18:37 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: this is old news | 18:38 |
| mva | Venemo, http://pastebin.ca/1921454 | 18:38 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 18:39 |
| Venemo | mva: interesting, I have the same output | 18:39 |
| Khertan | RST38h, but ... thx ... i didn't know ! | 18:39 |
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| Khertan | so it s now official | 18:40 |
| Khertan | no more update :) | 18:40 |
| Venemo | Khertan: this is not true | 18:40 |
| Venemo | Khertan: this is only for hildon-desktop... | 18:40 |
| Khertan | Venemo, yes ... hildon-desktop | 18:40 |
| RST38h | well hildon-desktop is what you see 90% of time | 18:40 |
| Venemo | well, it is considered stable | 18:41 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 18:41 |
| * RST38h laughs hysterically | 18:41 | |
| Khertan | some consider it stable | 18:41 |
| Venemo | try MohammadAG's fixed version | 18:41 |
| Khertan | the one which conflict with many packages ? :) | 18:41 |
| Venemo | Khertan: afaik it doesn't conflict with anything | 18:42 |
| Venemo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599 | 18:42 |
| Venemo | Khertan: read the first post | 18:42 |
| Khertan | it was in the past :) | 18:42 |
| Venemo | Khertan: ? | 18:43 |
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| Khertan | yep i'm reading it | 18:43 |
| mva | Venemo, any ideas, how to fix it? :) | 18:43 |
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| Khertan | first release was conflicting with some maemo "official" package | 18:43 |
| mva | ruskie, ping | 18:43 |
| Venemo | mva: no idea. but I'd say ignoreit | 18:44 |
| Khertan | this seems to be fixed right now | 18:44 |
| Venemo | Khertan: I dunno... it works for me | 18:44 |
| Khertan | Venemo, :) | 18:44 |
| Venemo | Khertan: it eliminates the PR 1.2 call ui glitch too | 18:44 |
| Khertan | i like this sentence ... : "works for me" | 18:44 |
| Khertan | i use it everydays ! | 18:44 |
| dmj726_devel | PR1.2 call ui glitch? | 18:45 |
| Khertan | Venemo, i hope it fixes the last memory leak :) | 18:45 |
| Khertan | dmj726_devel, yes ... should be PR1.2 call ui glitches | 18:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:45 |
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| Venemo | dmj726_devel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54556 | 18:47 |
| Venemo | dmj726_devel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 | 18:47 |
| povbot | Bug 10613: screen glitches on incoming call | 18:47 |
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| Venemo | Khertan: you should be aware of the "works on my machine" certification then | 18:47 |
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| dmj726_devel | Not sure if that's what happens to me or not, but it quite likely is. | 18:48 |
| kerio | pff, "works as coded" is the best one | 18:48 |
| Venemo | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | read this | 18:48 |
| Venemo | dmj726_devel: possibly. | 18:49 |
| Venemo | dmj726_devel: there is also a youtube video about the issue, found in the bugtracker | 18:49 |
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| * RST38h idly wonders what it would be worth to rotate application icons in hildon-desktop, when in portrait mode | 18:49 | |
| Khertan | currently i working for a company where i always say : conform to specs ... no specs ... no code ! | 18:49 |
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| dmj726_devel | I've noticed the call ui can be laggy (and momentarily redraw itself funny) when the phone is under load | 18:50 |
| Khertan | no specs ... no features is frequent also | 18:50 |
| kerio | portrait mode sucks ._. | 18:50 |
| Venemo | Khertan: :D | 18:50 |
| Khertan | dmj726_devel, particulary when it switch to portrait ... :) | 18:50 |
| dmj726_devel | yeah | 18:50 |
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| Venemo | dmj726_devel: that's it | 18:51 |
| dmj726_devel | probably one of the more annoying aspects of the device | 18:52 |
| Khertan | Anyway i think there will be no more update for n900. | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Obsession with specs is usually a sure way to fail the project | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Not that specs are unimportant, but... | 18:52 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, but none is the otherone | 18:52 |
| Khertan | RST38h, as when there is no specs ... no real definition of what they want | 18:53 |
| Venemo | Khertan: not right. PR 1.3 is coming. | 18:53 |
| Khertan | no testing validation | 18:53 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, when the client got the soft ... they just say ... this is not what who want ... we want more ... | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Ah, just because you have specs does not mean you can always do validation... | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Yea, the task has to be properly defined | 18:54 |
| Khertan | RST38h, ah ... yes of course ... but this isn't the case | 18:54 |
| Trewas | Khertan: that message wrt hildon-desktop is far after pr.1.2, so pr 1.3 is quite likely (and from what I have heard certain) | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Khertan: It goes bad when they start specifying HOW you are supposed to achieve their goal | 18:54 |
| Khertan | the task isn't define | 18:54 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, but it s not better when they clearly not explain their need | 18:55 |
| Khertan | i could write specs myself ... if i know what they want :) | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Khertan: do they ever? :) | 18:55 |
| Khertan | ever | 18:55 |
| kerio | PR 1.3 IS COMING TO GET YOU | 18:55 |
| Khertan | they just ... not like that | 18:55 |
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| Khertan | Venemo, yeah pr1.3 ... bug fixes ... but real evolve ... meego is the futur | 18:56 |
| Khertan | Venemo, yeah pr1.3 ... bug fixes ... but no real evolve ... meego is the futur | 18:56 |
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| Khertan | and at least .... i should try to install meego on a micro sd and try to install pyside | 18:57 |
| Khertan | just to see what my editor look like under meego :) | 18:57 |
| Khertan | meego handset | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Incredibly, rotating icons in hildon-desktop may not be that difficult | 18:57 |
| kerio | you also need ...... to use less ... ellipses..... | 18:57 |
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| * RST38h looks at the sources of hd-launcher-tile.c | 18:57 | |
| RST38h | Just need to hook up to the rotation signal on DBus and tell those tiles to rotate | 18:58 |
| Khertan | RST38h, i think it s useless ... there is enough glitchs when switching to portrait | 18:58 |
| Trewas | but I have to say that some people have been whining about FUD in tmo, at least nokia is completely responsible for any FUD with their policy of not saying anything about n900's or maemo's future | 18:58 |
| rmrfchik | N9 photos http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=855903283 | 18:58 |
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| Khertan | rmrfchik, it s horrible ... | 18:58 |
| kerio | hmm, fud | 18:59 |
| kerio | omnomnom | 18:59 |
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| Trewas | hehe, at least fud is good for something | 18:59 |
| rmrfchik | Khertan: it's nokia | 18:59 |
| GAN900 | Treibholz, they've said plenty. If not in so many words. | 19:00 |
| Khertan | rmrfchik, and ? i like the n900 design ... | 19:00 |
| rmrfchik | Khertan: well. all good nokia is in the past | 19:00 |
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| slonopotamus | omnomnom! | 19:03 |
| nid0 | other than failing with the keyboard layout as badly as they have with the n900, i dont see the problems with the "n9" you guys seem to | 19:03 |
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| Trewas | hopefully they will get rid of excessive bezel around the screen in the final model, amd none of the pics show well how thick n9 is either so hard to say in from that POV | 19:06 |
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| kerio | keyboard fail again ._. | 19:10 |
| kerio | it's a pretty big deal, you know | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | is fennec the default handset browser? | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | Nokia's hardware developers are foolish. | 19:11 |
| lcuk | ack | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | s/developers/designers | 19:11 |
| kerio | nokia fails | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 19:11 |
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| kerio | how can a company make something that kickass and then fail so badly at easy stuff like talking to your community | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Ask openmoko. | 19:12 |
| kerio | will they answer? | 19:12 |
| kerio | :P | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | A open linux mobile could have happened xmas 2007. | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 19:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | openmoko lacked lots of features back then | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: True. Much of that was hardware. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Err | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | software | 19:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | In xmas 2007 - a phone with basic phone/sms/... functions could have happened, that was able to run random GTK stuff. | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | The march 2007 stack was 'ok' as a phone. | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | Hardware sure didn't help | 19:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | n900 may have sucked but by far it was still a better overall internet tablet/phone compared to its competitors in terms of being hacker-friendly.. period. | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: No. But there was nothing too fundamentally broken about neo1973 that could not have been fixed with minor hardware mods. The rest is arguable form factor breakage that will put some off. | 19:22 |
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| kerio | the n900 is a great internet tablet, is a good enough phone and it's a truly kickass smartphone | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<kerio> will they answer?) depends on whom you ask | 19:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: how can a company make something that kickass and then fail so badly at easy stuff like talking to your community? | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | By not having someone with a clue high up that is a liason. | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | You need someone at at least the same level as the software dev lead. | 19:28 |
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| lardman | re | 19:29 |
| lcuk | kerio, everybody grows up. | 19:32 |
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| Venemo | kerio: noone knows | 19:33 |
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| lcuk | kerio, you will find that very few companies have a community presence | 19:34 |
| lcuk | their community is different to the communities you are thinking about | 19:34 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: what do you mean? | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I would not expect 'proper' community involvement in many companies to hit for >>10 years | 19:36 |
| lcuk | Venemo, where I used to work, a normal company - there was no user community as such. its a different environment because their community are other businesses etc | 19:36 |
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| lingling_ | hi, a question: how many colors can the n900 show? on some sites you see 65k (e.g. nokia website) on some others you can read aout 16,7 million | 19:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | 65k on the screen normally | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The hardware can do 24 bit, and in some compositing things that's what's used | 19:54 |
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| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: 24? sure? i think 16 | 19:55 |
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| kerio | it's normally 16 | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk was saying earlier that it does 24 bit in overlay | 19:59 |
| kerio | but the hw is capable of 24 | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or was it luke-jr | 19:59 |
| kerio | let's always use overlay! | 19:59 |
| lcuk | it was me | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I always get those two confused | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 19:59 |
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| * lcuk notices difference when switching between YUV and RGB | 19:59 | |
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| lcuk | kerio, not practical, YUV is a completely different color space | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | and converting between them is an intensive process | 20:00 |
| kerio | make X convert the colors | 20:00 |
| cehteh | .. and lossy | 20:00 |
| kerio | the lazy bastard | 20:00 |
| lcuk | kerio, its not just converting colors | 20:00 |
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| kerio | anyway, is there a way to just enable 24bit while in RGB mode? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, the maxPITA is the AV fb, which seems 12bpp or somesuch | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | i doubt | 20:02 |
| lcuk | to take a 16bit full screen (native RGB) and convert to YUV, you have 768000 bytes of information on source side and 576000 bytes on destination side | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | you can read the source pixels using a planar run, but the destination require 3 planes and encounter all sorts of optimisation issues that make it a non trivial issue (but there is technically hardware available to do it | 20:03 |
| lcuk | IVA on n8x0 and called something else on the n900 | 20:03 |
| lcuk | but not used afaik | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: dunno about n900 but on n8x0 /dev/fb1 that is used by X to output stuff only provides mmap-able area with 16bpp. | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk will correct me if i'm wrong :) | 20:04 |
| lcuk | it sounds reasonable, I am not actually sure about the lower graphics modes available directly on the N900 | 20:05 |
| lcuk | RST38h is actually better able to speak up most likely, since some of his apps use it | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas there's once more no datasheet available for LCD module, but odds are it can't do anything better than 32k colors anyway | 20:06 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: i know that because i was rewriting text2screen (whose colors are broken on both n8x0/n900 because it doesn't convert them to 16bpp :) | 20:07 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: try text2screen -t test -T 0x00ff00. it is yellow :) | 20:08 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq: hello | 20:09 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it can certainly manage greater than the 16bit | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | (and with fb_text2screen it is properly green) :) | 20:10 |
| lcuk | I will try to show you 2 pictures taken in YUV and RGB | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: why do you think it can? | 20:13 |
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| skyscraper | hello | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: aiui the LC driver logic usually has really crappy D/A converters, so the number of discrete physical states you can drive the crystals to is rather limited | 20:15 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: that won't make sense if i'll be looking at them from 16bpp n900 :D | 20:15 |
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| skyscraper | anyone know anything about restarting n900 using bluetooth keyboard/mouse? | 20:15 |
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| slonopotamus | skyscraper: sure | 20:15 |
| skyscraper | slonopotamus: whats the problem? | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | use bt mouse to launch terminal, then use keyboard to type root, enter, reboot | 20:16 |
| skyscraper | lol | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | and voila, n900 is restarted | 20:16 |
| skyscraper | -.- | 20:16 |
| skyscraper | it restarts itself .. and shouldnt do that | 20:16 |
| slonopotamus | oh. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: you should improve your pidgin :-) I also got it wrong | 20:17 |
| skyscraper | i've get bluetooth keyboard working - partially...- mousepad works - and... keys working... but no CAPS and no numbers and no äöü ... the arrows are ö . and left/right | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 20:18 |
| mikki-kun | seems to be keymap error | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: ^^^ | 20:18 |
| skyscraper | yes | 20:18 |
| skyscraper | i wanted to remap with | 20:18 |
| skyscraper | setxkbmap -device 4 -I -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook -rules base -model pc105 -layout de | 20:19 |
| skyscraper | but it wont work | 20:19 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer - I can see a distinct amount of stepping on gradients on normal x11 vs much smoother gradients on yuv | 20:19 |
| skyscraper | after reboot this command with "-layout us" works... but with "-layout de" i get an error.. | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | model pc105 ? does that even exist? | 20:19 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: after rereading i still understand the question that way :) | 20:19 |
| skyscraper | it seems that the bluetooth keyboard uses same mappings as internal keypad | 20:19 |
| lcuk | now I have put my foot in it, I have added 10second waitstates to one of the functions and just found out its called multiple times per frame | 20:19 |
| skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: get it from http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5221 | 20:20 |
| * lcuk might reevaluate this section of code | 20:20 | |
| skyscraper | like described in http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: seems it's missing the de layout | 20:21 |
| skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: where to get it? | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, talking outa my a... | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea, really | 20:22 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: hw can do 16 bit rgb and 24 bit yuv? | 20:23 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: and x runs in rgb because most stuff it draws is rgb | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook vs Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout makes me scratch head though | 20:23 |
| mikki-kun | hm, btw, is there kind of a reason the front facing cam on the n900 has a blueish-green tone? | 20:24 |
| skyscraper | copied it from there 1to1 | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so it's intentional | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be ok | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly pc105 layout changed little from chinook to fremantle ;-P | 20:25 |
| skyscraper | hm.... whats wrong with the mapping..argh... double-mouseclick seems to be "reboot" xD... | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | mikki-kun: if its colors are damaged the same way as text2screen, it would explain that | 20:25 |
| mikki-kun | hm, may i ask how i can check that? till now i haven't heard of text2screen | 20:26 |
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| skyscraper | the bluetooth connection itself seems to be ok: > ACL 00:07:61:FF:ED:EA handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | it outputs 24 bit color to 16bit device without doing conversion so higher bits of RED get lost | 20:27 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, yes | 20:27 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer http://liqbase.net/liq.20100820_comparison_yuv_rgb_x11.htm | 20:27 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: yuv one looks... lighter | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: missing/borked white balance, together with artificial light? | 20:29 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, color banace gamut differences - its the gradients which you are talking about | 20:30 |
| lcuk | balance | 20:30 |
| lcuk | now, I might have done something wrong in my conversion, but I could not get the 24bit RGB path to work | 20:30 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: uhm, well, i can't say that good... the problem is that somehow the image is in general either too blueish-green with mplayer or just way too dark (as in my room) | 20:30 |
| lcuk | but those screenshots are taken in the respective mode directly | 20:30 |
| lcuk | one using liqbase YUV image taking tool, the other with ctrl+sh+p | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: screenshots mean nothing, but anyway you see massive gradient steps in the second shot | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to get reasonable comparision you need real *screen* shots | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah DocScrutinizer that gradient step is noticable as the conversion is occuring | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a really good cam, in macro | 20:32 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:33 |
| mikki-kun | i use as a command with mplayer "mplayer -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=488:outfmt=rgb32:quality=100:hue=0:contrast=10:brightness=10:saturation=50:gain=100:fps=30:device=/dev/video1 -vo xv tv:// -vf mirror | 20:33 |
| lcuk | but the time when like for like is onscreen is very short | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | I just posted those because it was possible to do it reasonably reproducably | 20:33 |
| mikki-kun | the contrast, hue, saturation and brightness i will adjust as i need to check it at times | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: try to adjust hue | 20:34 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: well, i try from -100 to 100 in different steps | 20:34 |
| mikki-kun | it kinda doesn't work | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea with mplayer. Maybe use gstreamer, maybe ask SpeedEvil | 20:35 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, i've till now only used mplayer for mostly any stuff related to checking webcams and stuff... i am not very talented with gstreamer | 20:35 |
| skyscraper | hm... no one know how to remap all those keys? | 20:35 |
| mikki-kun | but i think i'll try searchign for a command | 20:35 |
| Venemo | skyscraper: sorry, what's the question? | 20:36 |
| skyscraper | hildon-im-xkbtool --list .... output looks great | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: check the related wiki pages | 20:36 |
| skyscraper | ID 4, Name: "Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro(TM)" | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xorg needs a kick in the ass to accept normal mice afaik | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: smth is wrong. i can see gradients difference using n900 xorg :/ | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fremantle special flavour of xorg | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: ask MohammadAG51 | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus_, huh? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i just said, 16bit is known | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | hurrah I came back to life | 20:38 |
| * MohammadAG wakes up | 20:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wake MohammadAG | 20:38 |
| * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" | 20:38 | |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: hm, i found something for gstreamer, but it can't find specified command... via 'find / | grep gst-launch' it isn't findable either... | 20:39 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: i opened your page in microb (that should be in same mode as X) and can visually see that gradients differ. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | hah | 20:40 |
| mikki-kun | now that's a morning... i'd say hot coffee would be more effective ^^ | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: apt-cache search is your friend | 20:40 |
| lcuk | thats probable for other reasons | 20:40 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks for the hint :) | 20:40 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus_, I did the best I could wit hthe YUV/RGB conversion, but the gamut is slightly off, its enough on those photos to see what I see on screen | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how about setting up a decent calibration screen? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | with color and grey gradient bars | 20:42 |
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| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: you do yuv24->rgb16 or yuv24->rgb24->rgb16? | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | yuv24->rgb24->rgb16 | 20:43 |
| lcuk | per pixel, the YUV->rgb is 24bit oriented | 20:43 |
| lcuk | then it gets dropped and chopped and bitrolled | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rgb16 is 5/6/5 !! | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so any greenish clor in rgb24 data displayed as rgb16 is expected | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: surpsize :) | 20:44 |
| skyscraper | yeah | 20:45 |
| slonopotamus_ | ~ping | 20:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:45 |
| skyscraper | at least i got bluetooth encryption working | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but generally everything should look completely odd when 'converting' 8/8/8 (RGB24) to 5/6/5 (RGB16) by mere truncation of higher bits or whatever | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: 1 sec, i got conversion thingie somewhere | 20:46 |
| lcuk | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893078.aspx | 20:47 |
| * lcuk thanks microsoft everytime I look at that formula | 20:47 | |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=fb_text2screen;a=blob;f=fb_text2screen.c;h=3092efacb7724fe32f3c4547cdc6e92e94ecfa4b;hb=HEAD#l49 | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: waiting for the beers to bribe me into looking at that *now* | 20:48 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus_, thats endian specific? | 20:48 |
| johnsq | no wonder why it didn't work | 20:48 |
| lcuk | johnsq, the YUV->RGB works nicely | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: RGB conversion for sure is endian-dependant | 20:48 |
| lcuk | more informative than any other bit of pseudo code I found | 20:48 |
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| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: i guess that's little-endian | 20:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, that might be why you had problems with wrong colors ;) | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | i didn't have | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | text2screen has :) | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | w/e | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: your rgb gradients are bad :) n900 can do better | 20:51 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus_, I don't see how because I am filling the available colour space from what I can gather | 20:52 |
| * MohammadAG yawns and wakes up | 20:52 | |
| MohammadAG | ~nuke DocScrutinizer | 20:52 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... B☢☢M! | 20:52 | |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: hm, i can't seem to find the right packet for gst-launch... maybe you have an idea where it could be? | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: gradients do differ when seen on n900. yuv one is smoother | 20:53 |
| * lcuk looks | 20:53 | |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus_, that might simply be other interpolation perhaps, let me bring it up | 20:53 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100820_comparison_yuv_rgb_x11.htm | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus_ | (and colors are visually different, what hints that you're coing smth wrong) | 20:54 |
| lcuk | timeless, does microb do colour interpolation and dithering? | 20:55 |
| * lcuk takes a screenshot of the screenshot | 20:55 | |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: i saw that link already :/ | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus_ | :D | 20:56 |
| lcuk | lcukn900 hadn't though ;) | 20:56 |
| * slonopotamus_ takes a screenshot of lcuk saying he takes a screenshot of screenshot | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | ooh | 20:56 |
| lcuk | there is another layer between | 20:56 |
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| * lcuk investigates | 20:57 | |
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| luke-jr | gosh, N900 down to <$300 already… tempting to buy for once | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: hmm, I got gst-launch installed, sorry no idea where from, but I generally didn't care about any gst pkg installation | 20:58 |
| mikki-kun | maybe when i install all gst packages? | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | luke-jr: some interesting updates in "relicense bme" bugreport | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus_: really? I must not be subscribed… | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | link? | 20:59 |
| mikki-kun | what would be the proper command for that? i am not familiar with apt-get install... would "apt-get install gstreamer*" work? | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | you've reported it | 20:59 |
| lcuk | the mid range has a green hue | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: gst-tools is da pkg | 21:01 |
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| slonopotamus_ | luke-jr: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c12 | 21:01 |
| povbot | Bug 9314: relicense BME | 21:01 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, big thanks :) | 21:01 |
| slonopotamus_ | povbot: wtf povbot | 21:01 |
| povbot | slonopotamus_: Error: "wtf" is not a valid command. | 21:01 |
| slonopotamus_ | povbot: quit | 21:02 |
| povbot | slonopotamus_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 21:02 |
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| skyscraper | wtf | 21:05 |
| skyscraper | I've read something and YES: the bluetooth keyboard can type numbers etc. in DOSBOX... - but in DOSBOX it seems to be US layout | 21:05 |
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| slonopotamus_ | US layout doesn't have numbers? | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | updated the page with some more info and that screenshot of micro | 21:07 |
| lcuk | microb | 21:07 |
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| * lcuk is pleased at least some of it is a bug in code and hopefully rectifiable :) | 21:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: attack slonopotamus_ | 21:08 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing slonopotamus_ | 21:08 | |
| skyscraper | slonopotamus_: US layout has numbers... but / on german "-" or "-" on german "ß" | 21:08 |
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| skyscraper | and in easy debian some things work, too... but not in maemo itself | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: i'm not sure yuv image goes through rgb24 when seen in microb (though i don't know how to check that) | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus_ | no, i know. do direct yuv24->rgb16 conversion and output to screen bypassing X | 21:12 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: the image looks the same when using gstreamer for the pic... i'll try and search for more settings now | 21:13 |
| mikki-kun | at least it starts now | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there should be options for white balance | 21:14 |
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| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: though i don't know what we'll gain after finding root of this issue :P | 21:14 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: are you here? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | gotcha! | 21:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | you mentioned something about 454 or something? | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | skyscraper, no, IRC does not exist | 21:15 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: 565 | 21:15 |
| skyscraper | xD | 21:15 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus_, DocScrutinizer !! | 21:15 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/portrait_test/src/liqx11_cover.c#L124 | 21:15 |
| slonopotamus_ | lcuk: 16 in total :) | 21:15 |
| lcuk | sussed where the drop is | 21:15 |
| lcuk | I am losing the single bit of green plane data | 21:16 |
| lcuk | all are being dropped to 555 | 21:16 |
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| * MohammadAG is bored | 21:16 | |
| * MohammadAG slaps lcuk | 21:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:16 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: maybe you know why i cant "setxkbmap -I -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook -rules base -model pc105 -layout de" | 21:16 |
| nox- | moin | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 21:16 |
| slonopotamus_ | :) | 21:16 |
| * MohammadAG would suggest qole | 21:16 | |
| lcuk | ok, so theres a very slight advantage available | 21:16 |
| Shapeshifter | whoa man mypaint is _amazing_ | 21:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | it actually works pretty damn well | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff doesn't start | 21:16 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: wat | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: what happens | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: rgb16 usually is either 5/6/5 or actually rgb15 | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | sec, lemme paste backtrack | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | err | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | backtrace | 21:17 |
| * MohammadAG hits head | 21:17 | |
| slonopotamus_ | ... | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | traceback | 21:17 |
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| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: you need to develop your math skills :/ | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: eh? | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | what's a faster pastebin? | 21:18 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: 5+6=11. 11+5= 16 | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | no | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | 5+6 = 56 | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | duh | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: so WHAT? | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: pastie.org | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with 5+6+5=16???? | 21:19 |
| skyscraper | hm. no one has any idea? | 21:20 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: i accidentally skipped "either" in your message, sorry | 21:21 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, whats up? | 21:21 |
| skyscraper | i cant get fucking numbers work -.- | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus_: you need to develop your troll skills | 21:21 |
| slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: is that an invitation to talk about OC? :) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, http://pastebin.com/9uKQDxgy | 21:21 |
| nid0 | i hear overclocking's well great and perfectly safe, discuss. | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | hmm skyscraper which numbers which app which language, dont they work normally? | 21:22 |
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| GAN900 | nid0, so do I, clearly you should try 1.25GHz. | 21:22 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: well that's great. That bug is in numpy... | 21:22 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: I'll look into how it got there... | 21:23 |
| skyscraper | lcuk n900 bluetooth keyboard... | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, meh, 6GHz is where it's at atm | 21:23 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, hmm | 21:23 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: mhh but I think something's wrong with your numpy version. Did you install something on your own? | 21:24 |
| BCMM | nid0: very few people have set themselves on fire | 21:24 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: will you upload ubuntu this night, really? | 21:24 |
| skyscraper | lcuk setxkbmap doenst work | 21:24 |
| skyscraper | doesnt | 21:24 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I'm all up to date and if I run python and then import numpy; numpy.core.numeric I see <module 'numpy.core.numeric' from '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/numpy/core/numeric.pyc'> which means the module DOES exist contrary to what your backtrace says | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | skyscraper, not sure, still not going home | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | skyscraper, not sure on this one | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it worked before i reflashed | 21:25 |
| lcuk | perhaps others with bt keyboards can help | 21:25 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: hm... hoped ;( | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | well | 21:25 |
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| skyscraper | lcuk maybe.. but seems to no one is only | 21:25 |
| skyscraper | online | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | still not on my way home | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | max tomorrow though | 21:25 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, try to write a clear mail to the mailing list or potentially on talk.maemo.org | 21:25 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: the funnies thing is when watching through microb, you see _both_ images in 16 bit :) | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, sure | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, I am pleased I can see why its a problem at least | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: and bad gradient effects on PLUS are seen on both images | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | theres no gradient problem on device in yuv mode | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | so that part is still valid | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | because it's 24 bit :) | 21:27 |
| lcuk | it was just highlighted more by my bug | 21:27 |
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| * lcuk has been saying hes crap at coding | 21:27 | |
| lcuk | for ages | 21:27 |
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| skyscraper | its crazy... i dont understand why keyboard works great in DOSBOX but not in maemo | 21:28 |
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| slonopotamus | now, the interesting part is what is 32 bit mode :) | 21:28 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: you could run python and then execute import numpy; numpy.version.version Should say 1.4.0 | 21:29 |
| slonopotamus | skyscraper: because dosbox rocks and maemo doesn't | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, 32bit graphics is rgba | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, which package is that part of anyways? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | quite well known | 21:29 |
| skyscraper | slonopotamus: but dosbox runs IN maemo... why can handle dosbox all those keys and maemo cant? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | and for end of the line the A isnt used, but aligning pixels on long boundaries gives benefits | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: well, with nvidia card i can only set 24bbp in xorg.conf. but with ati one i can set 32. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, so the dosbox on maemo sees the keys but the hildon-input-method doesn't ? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | if thats the case, file a bug | 21:30 |
| lcuk | with very very specific reproduction | 21:30 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: python-numpy I guess | 21:30 |
| * MohammadAG reinstalls | 21:30 | |
| skyscraper | lcuk the problem is the hildon keyboard map... | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | skyscraper: art of breaking stuff in most mysterious ways is a nokia know-how | 21:31 |
| skyscraper | slonopotamus: :D | 21:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: apt-cache show python-numpy should be 1.4.0-1maemo2 apparently | 21:31 |
| Shapeshifter | at least that's what I have and it works | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: so, now you see two visually indistinguishable images after fixing your bug? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, | 21:34 |
| lcuk | no i wouldnt | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | can anybody check something for me | 21:35 |
| lcuk | it would go from smooth full 24bit | 21:35 |
| lcuk | to the same as the microb image | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | does that modified fmtxd work without modified kernel module | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | i mean, frequency part | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | i mean, wheb screenshotted and seen from X :) | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, doubt it, the conversion I am doing from yuv to rgb will give differences | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: will give differences from what X does? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, I am not going to be changing the yuv->rgb code, just ensuring I retain that extra bit of green | 21:37 |
| lcuk | i have to go anyway | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | btw, why 16bit rgb at all? saving ram/cpu? | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: bye | 21:37 |
| lcuk | go look at the mode that x11 is on | 21:37 |
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| skyscraper | timed out? | 21:58 |
| skyscraper | ping | 21:58 |
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| pincy | hi, anyone here who can help me with the jagged alliance 2 port? | 21:58 |
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| pincy | when i want to start, it closes... in the terminal is written Opening file failed ; Creating an emergengy savegame failed. ; Please report this error with a description of the circumstances. | 22:01 |
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| BCMM | what can i use on Linux to view all the metadata from fcamera's DNGs? | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pincy: start with 'strace <game-executable>' | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in last few lines of output you'll find the name of the file that failed to create | 22:08 |
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| skyscraper | jacekowski: are you there? | 22:19 |
| skyscraper | anyone with n900 and bluetooth keyboard here? -.- | 22:20 |
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| nid0 | yeh | 22:20 |
| skyscraper | nid0: working? | 22:21 |
| nid0 | my keyb uses a serial connection so doesnt work with the n900 though | 22:21 |
| skyscraper | maemo doesnt like my numbers on the keyboard ;) | 22:21 |
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| skyscraper | always getting "Error loading new keyboard description" when setxkbmap | 22:24 |
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| jacekowski | skyscraper: i'm here | 22:27 |
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| skyscraper | maybe you know why setxkmap wont work? | 22:27 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | never had to use it | 22:31 |
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| skyscraper | posted problem to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=793386&posted=1#post793386 | 22:37 |
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| pincy | @DocScrutinizer: with what package i can use strace? strace not found in /bin/sh | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace#Installing_Strace | 22:45 |
| pincy | :) | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | install from tools repo using apt-get I'd guess | 22:46 |
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| IcanCU | are most developers in here Qt developers? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pincy: http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/view/strace/ | 22:50 |
| pincy | yeah, had to add the catalogue.. | 22:51 |
| pincy | now ill look for it again :) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/s/strace/strace_4.5.18-1.1+0m5_armel.deb | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | clicking this link should also work | 22:51 |
| pincy | but then i would have to shove it to my phone :) | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WFM iirc. Just clicking the link opens up HAM and installs the .deb from web | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ight be related to some funny thing called red-pill-mode though | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | clicking link opens icrob, which in turn asks 'store to device or open with HAM?" | 22:58 |
| pupnik | n9 is looking very must-get :| | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 22:58 |
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| pincy | ok doc, so i installed it, startet 'strace ja2' | 23:02 |
| pincy | and the last line is 'exit group(1) =?' | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | look for file related lines before that | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | skyscraper, might upload it tonight after all | 23:05 |
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| pincy | the last one with a file is 'unlink("Temp//files.dat") =0' | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/src/testing/gdb_example] > strace -e trace=file ./gdb_example | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | also -f might be necessary | 23:08 |
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| pincy | all together before the ja2 or shall i type it in its own line? | 23:09 |
| nox- | btw i think qemu linux-user emulation has an -strace too in case you do need to test an actual arm executable | 23:11 |
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| pincy | kk, its closed and now, where do i find the file | 23:12 |
| pincy | ? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | pincy: strace -f -e trace=file ja2 | 23:12 |
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| pincy | or shall i write the last lines?^^ | 23:15 |
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| skyscraper | MohammadAG51: yes very nice msg | 23:16 |
| skyscraper | when tonight? | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pincy: you'll most probably find a line similar to >>open("/opt/man/de/cat7", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 23:17 |
| pincy | yes | 23:18 |
| pincy | 4 times | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check the "/opt/man/de/cat7" part, which in your case might point to a file that ja2 fails to create, also the end of the line holds details about the error and reason (why it failed) | 23:19 |
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| pincy | the problem is with files.dat, finances.dat, email.dat and history.dat | 23:22 |
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| pincy | but whats the "/opt/man/de/cat7" part? my n900 says not found | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an unrelated example I created from man man command | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pincy: if you got no clue how to process from strace output to fixing ja2 setup, then probably it's reasonable to pastebin the last ~200 lines of output | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure somebody here will happily have a look and tell you what's wrong | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I'm afk now, good luck | 23:26 |
| pincy | thanks so far | 23:26 |
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| pupnik | jagged alliance 2? | 23:28 |
| pupnik | ;) | 23:28 |
| pincy | yes | 23:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | Uh, has someone found out how to save as png in MyPaint? | 23:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | mypaint is just awesome. too bad I'm not good at drawing. If I was an artist I'd be shitting bricks by now. | 23:37 |
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| skyscraper | lol... just saw an video with wine on n900 for i386 apps?! | 23:41 |
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| skyscraper | and.... whats "bochs"? i've seen it in app-mgr those days... | 23:43 |
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| nox- | bochs is even slower then plain qemu | 23:44 |
| nox- | than | 23:44 |
| skyscraper | i'm just bored... trying out some things :D | 23:44 |
| nox- | haha | 23:44 |
| skyscraper | searching for very interesting and useful things for n900 | 23:45 |
| nox- | actually qemu was first implemented to run wine on ppc... (linux-user came before system emulation) | 23:46 |
| skyscraper | ^^ | 23:46 |
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| skyscraper | ah and i'm searching for an decibell-meter app for n900... | 23:46 |
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| pincy | how can that be, that when im trying to install the irc client, i get the message of not enough memory....???? the files 112kb and ive got around 250mb free | 23:50 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | bad colors xD | 23:52 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | test | 23:54 |
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| skyscraper | how to disable all those colors in XChat? | 23:55 |
| skyscraper | cant see anything | 23:55 |
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| Pincy55 | strace of ja2: ewemail.sti", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 23:57 |
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