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| haj | MohammadAG51: okay I will :) | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: lcuk: would a button say in dialer be open to tweaks by LD_PRELOAD? I.E. is Qt providing button widgets via a *.so, or are they statically linked in? | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | not sure DocScrutinizer ou would have to do whatever digging yourself, tho i do know that some sort of similar mechanism has been used in other places at random times in history | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (or maybe Qt uses even some other weird mechanisms to define themes and thus the way a button looks and works like?) | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'd not even be shy to patch the binary of rtcom-call-ui to get a better UI in dialer | 00:05 |
| E0x | maybe off topic but ovi map look like change the all GUI look and feel | 00:05 |
| E0x | and look really nice | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the placement and size of [ACCEPT] directly next to [REJECT] for example is as daft and unergonomic as it can possibly get | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not expect to change position of the buttons in any easy way, by patching the dialer binary. But maybe you can change the name of the widget to get a completely new type of button there, something working like the physical screenlock switch or the unlock switch on lockscreen - a slider | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | have the accept switch a right-to-left slider, and the reject a left-to-right slider and you're fine | 00:09 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the interface just needs to not be jerky and laggy | 00:13 |
| ham5 | dial pad default not recent calls!!! | 00:14 |
| kerio | ham5: shush you | 00:14 |
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| kerio | dialing a number is crap | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: maybe that's true as well. But even a non jerky non laggy interface doesn't meet my definition of usability when the buttons are so close to each other | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny shit now the proximity sensor works as a switch now in the sense of sending a d-bus msg every time and making my ill defined kbd slider startrek sound go off. Wasn't like this until recently, I'm rather sure. So maybe it gets enabled by using the dialer or by actually doing a phonecall, first time after boot? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how about we do some mockups of these things in action | 00:19 |
| lcuk | using qt or whatever | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice idea | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be easy with qt designer | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably after 5h of practicing even I could do that :-P | 00:19 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:19 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Qt Designer is piss easy | 00:20 |
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| MohammadAG | till you want to connect the UI to some functions | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not too sure about my ability to create that custom widget | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I know, I modified and improved lots of twinklephone UI | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some 5 years ago? | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | feels like 10 | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably actually is 2 | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but designing a slider widget like the one on lockscreen maybe isn't that trivial | 00:23 |
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| kerio | the slider widget in the lockscreen sucks | 00:30 |
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| papertigers | DocScrutinizer: what are you doing, making a slide to unlock widget? | 00:31 |
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| kerio | a slide to answer/reject | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: well, for you it sucks. For me the whole lockscreen sucks, as does the dialer GUI layout. For that though I'd prefer a slider type button to a simple pushbutton | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | can someone test something | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | lock the N900 | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | papertigers: yes, thinking about that | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | call it | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | answer | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | close proximity, open proximity | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | does it say device locked? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | or is it something in the new hildon-desktop | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | papertigers: not to unlock but to replace the pushbutton [ACCEPT] in phone GUI | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase 2 last lines | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, sec | 00:36 |
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| MohammadAG | need a third device for a pic | 00:36 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i need a third hand to hold third device | 00:36 |
| lcuk | :p | 00:36 |
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| Macer | damn | 00:37 |
| Macer | drove my mother's altima gxe and the damn thing is like turbo charged or something | 00:37 |
| kerio | so... the Designed by Community phone has no physical keyboard | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | upping | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: pfff | 00:38 |
| * kerio <3 keys | 00:38 | |
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| MohammadAG | why is tinypic so damn slow sometimes | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | design by community is a hoax | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because they want to teach you speaking clear and precise, instead of falling back to gestures or drawing to the wall | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 00:40 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lcuk http://i25.tinypic.com/301m1s4.jpg | 00:41 |
| ceda | kerio: which phone are you talking about? openmoko? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, now that's weird | 00:42 |
| kerio | ceda: no, the nokia concept designed by the community | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, never seen it? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | do you mind installing a deb? | 00:42 |
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| MohammadAG | see link here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613#c28 | 00:43 |
| povbot | Bug 10613: screen glitches on incoming call | 00:43 |
| kerio | what glitch? | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | video by someone, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFgM5ZsCM6I | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | easily reproducible | 00:43 |
| papertigers | This is why I want an n900, developing and testing would be sooo much fun | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | backport of the latest commit in gitorious fixes it, which is what the deb in that link is | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | but I've never seen the device locked part before I installed that deb | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | could be a coincidence | 00:45 |
| Kegetys | is it locked when a call is coming and it was locked before that? | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | basically | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | lock, call, answer, close proximity, open proximity | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | just answer with the device locked | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | no need to touch the proximity | 00:47 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, ok but the lock button in the callui is not related to your fix in HD | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it's not exactly in call-ui | 00:48 |
| lcuk | sorry, madam's fix | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | it pops up as an extra dialog | 00:48 |
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| lcuk | the bug you have already indicated is not the same issue is it | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | I know, I'm just wondering if it's a missing entry in the changelog | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | ok MohammadAG please do me a favour cos its late and im tired - make a clear writeup about it (doesnt have to be an essay) and I will talk to you properly tomorrow | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you know dbus? | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 00:51 |
| * MohammadAG downgrades to old hildon-desktop | 00:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or anybody else, d-bus? | 00:52 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, a smidge | 00:52 |
| lcuk | just ask it does no harm | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's rather silly I get absolutely same dbus msgs for press event and for release event for any arbitrary switch, like e.g. lockslider or proximity sensor | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=:1.13 -> dest=(null destination) serial=18709 path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_kb_lock; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=Condition | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | string "ButtonPressed" | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | string "cover" | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | always string "ButtonPressed", even on release-button event | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no other int changing from 1 to 0, or a boolean from true to false or anything | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks like a fat bug to me | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | well | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, the device locked thing is in the old hd | 00:55 |
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| MohammadAG | I just never noticed it | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | :) | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, don't smile, you didn't notice it too :P | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: any ideas? I just did a `dbus-monitor --system` and compared all the jaggedijagg on button press and on button release | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, read about GPIO switches :) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | where? what? why? | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | the lock switch is GPIO afaik | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | [18824.537536] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | [18824.967437] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | just everything is GPIO possibly, but what does it tell me about dbus msgs? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you should already know what to do about it | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | file a bug? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i was thinking more get your soldering iron out and fix it in silicon, but yeah filing a bug works | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900 suggests filing bugs is moot since cert expired | 01:00 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, have you considered having a go at any of the other hildon-desktop bugs | 01:00 |
| lcuk | to see if you could fix one for real | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | me? fixing a bug in C? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, then leave the status quo | 01:01 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | also what means that friggin >string "cover"< ? | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's the component to file the bug against? I bet mce once again >:-( | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/who/what | 01:02 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: I think those are the lists of properties that changed state, and that you have to do a HAL function call to retrieve the new state for | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's as stupid a definition/specification of a dbus msg I could think about | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, there's also that cryptic (sorry for paste): | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) serial=2842 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | string ":1.1405" | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | string "" | 01:04 |
| ultrasparc-viii | hey all, just added a new script called "im-accounts" to the mission control wiki if anyone is interested in a CLI command to control your IM accounts: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control#Set_all_SIP_accounts_to_online_or_offline | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | string ":1.1405" | 01:04 |
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| MohammadAG | 3. Keep the alarm running until it loses hope <--- LOL how does an alarm lose hope? | 01:04 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: well, you're not supposed to use dbus, you're supposed to use libhal. | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always thought dbus was implemeted to use it | 01:06 |
| villager | hal is built on top of dbus, and to reduce traffic the new states aren't transmitted unless you ask for it | 01:06 |
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| villager | perhaps stupid design, but not a bug | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's nonsense | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | either the message gets a string "ButtonReleased" instead of string "ButtonPressed", or an additional boolean that is true on button pess and false on button release. Where's the rationale about ""traffic""? | 01:10 |
| villager | I could put up on the web my code to notify my sdl program about the cam shutter state if you want | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd be more interested in a working rule for dbus_scripting daemon, to trigger an event on button press of a particular button, instead of triggering on button press AND button release, of ALL buttons | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm well aware I can read out /sys and do all sorts of shit and jumping hoops | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's not what I thought dbus is meant to work like | 01:13 |
| villager | you're not supposed to use /sys, you're supposed to use libhal | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S daft, and for me smells like a fat stinky bug | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not supposed, WTF?? | 01:13 |
| villager | well, then file a bug on libhal for "stupid design", but it's not a maemo platform bug | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm going to use libhal in a shellscript, sure | 01:14 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:14 |
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| villager | well, I don't need to touch /sys, libhal_device_get_property() on the changed property gives you the new state, my program calls it from the property_modified callback you register with libhal | 01:16 |
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| NeverMore | is this a good place to ask for help with sbrsh, or should I hit up #maemo-devel? | 01:16 |
| villager | with libhal_device_add_property_watch() | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sending random noise bullshit msgs over dbus on arbitrary events, and then define API as "wait for random noise, then go use libfoo to figure out what actually triggered that", that's clearly a bug as fat as it can be | 01:16 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: well, I told you what to do; if you think a design used by desktop linux everywhere is a "bug", file that where it belongs, it's not maemo's bug | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# libhal_device_get_property() | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | > | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | > -sh: syntax error: end of file unexpected | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | that isn't something you'd use in a shell script, I'm sure | 01:19 |
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| villager | obviously that won't work... using a tool like dbus-send is more likely to work... | 01:19 |
| villager | or perhaps use hal-get-property | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: tell me - why is there a dbus msg like | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=:1.20 -> dest=(null destination) serial=29158 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | byte 66 | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | byte 90 | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | while - according to your logic - it should say >string "signalstrengtChanged"< and I'm supposed to use libisi to find out about the new signal strength? | 01:21 |
| villager | well, I guess because it's not using hal. | 01:21 |
| villager | and since when is it "my logic"? | 01:21 |
| villager | do you seriously think I'm *defending* hal? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think this is a bug, and I don't realy buy your rationale why it's not | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | documenting sucks ass | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you told me about reducing traffic which obviously is moot, then you tell me constantly what I'm supposed to do/use | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, nokia thinks documenting is obsolete | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | see /usr/sbin/docpurge | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | heh, i've noticed already | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hehe | 01:25 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you know exactly why that was done | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | the only "decent" docs maemo has are for gtk and qt -- because they're done by gtk and qt | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, yeah, cause hackers don't read docs | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | and is directly related to historical space | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: what'd'you think about neopwn? | 01:26 |
| villager | I'm just a pragmatist, I'm usually more interested in making things work, than I am in raging and deliberately refusing to implement something in a way that might work, and filing bugs about "I don't like how this widely-used piece of software works, design it the way I like it" | 01:26 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, vaporware | 01:26 |
| lcuk | villager, he only wondered why it sent the presed state twice | 01:26 |
| lcuk | pressed | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | presssed | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | press sed? | 01:27 |
| villager | lcuk: yes, but I explained it... the pressed state changed, and he has to call hal-get-property to get the new state... then he started raving and ranting about it | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I'd love to be wrong on this one, but I'm kinda agreeing with you. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | villager, it would be nice to see if its a bug even if nothing can be done about it | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: that's the mindset that constantly gives us poorly architected and specified, buggy implemented and wacky working apps all the time | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | anyway, i am resting | 01:28 |
| lcuk | \o gnite all | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: night mate | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: i had to dig through the source code of some random maemo library (libmodest-dbus-client) in order to find out the dbus implementation for composing mail from another application | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | nn lcuk | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | the maemo.org wiki told me to use libmodest-dbus-client and libosso and glib in order to do this | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | it's just a signal fucking dbus call | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | bleh, single | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | hehe | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't get me wrong, there's nothing odd in implementing a decent workaround for a bug in a system you use. But simply accepting it's overly silly and complicated to use, just because there's a bug in specs or implementation somewhere, that's not hte right attitude | 01:29 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: I haven't stopped you from filing a bug... I've only said to file it to the people *actually responsible* | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: appreciated, thanks | 01:30 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: which isn't maemo. | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you got a point on that one, yes | 01:30 |
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| Jucato | excuse me, is there a way to tell the maemo-sdk-install-wizard to just use what's already downloaded? it wants to redownload all the scratchbox packages everytime | 01:33 |
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| MohammadAG | -c | 01:34 |
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| Jucato | this is the PyQt wizard one | 01:34 |
| Jucato | I'm having problems with the command line version: ERROR: /opt/scratchbox/dev does not contain standard device nodes! | 01:35 |
| Jucato | maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py: error: no such option: -c | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, that piece of shit | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | idk, use the script | 01:36 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 01:36 |
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| Jucato | well, yeah unfortunately, it doesn't work for me either. I'm on Fedora, so I used the tar.gz scratchbox packages instead of the .deb ones | 01:37 |
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| ieatlint | Jucato: random shot in the dark here, but "mount -o bind /dev /opt/scratchbox/dev" might fix that error | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | he'll probably get more errors | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | villager: yet on tests on laptop I don't get *any* button-release event related d-bus msgs. Just for button press, so that's kinda sane (within the paradigma of such msg signaling a user input or event of any form) | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | weird | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | my device asked for the lock code at startup | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Who's hte author of flashlight - I forget | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | having two indistinguishable msgs on dbus for button-press and button-release seems insane | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet ? | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you are a robot? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect I may have found a novel use for it. | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, I'm a bit faster | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | In a shirt pocket (with a hole) - using it as a light to pick raspberries. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...than light | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're nuts | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | no, rasperries. | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | _way_ too many of them. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:45 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: well, I get ButtonPressed both when I close and open the laptop lid | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | my laptop goes into standby when I pull out the charger LOL | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | need to reinstall ubuntu | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so seems that's the point where the specs weren't clear enough | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | or I could dump it for debian | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and especially on any special keys like e.g. multimedia_mute-audio I don't see any key-up events on dbus | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which - due to the nature of such key being a toggle - would certainly result in behaviour you don't expect | 01:47 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: the acpi multimedia key events are apparently only sent once though, I guess they don't have release events at all | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuzzy specs | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the target for bugticket gets clearer | 01:48 |
| villager | libhal probably has some property saying whether it's a toggle or not | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, lockslider switch on N900 evidently is a toggle | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | much the same as mite multimedia is | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mute* | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | is there any way to force audio to the jack instead of the speakers? | 01:50 |
| villager | hm yes, there's a "has_state" on the laptop lid device, but not on the multimedia key devices | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrm | 01:50 |
| villager | so that's why I get the property change event on both open and close | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, and on mine it's probably not like that | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a really extremely poor definition of a signaling format and protocol | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | villager: anyway this: | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | signal sender=:1.0 -> dest=(null destination) serial=965376 path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_logicaldev_input_3; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=Condition | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | string "ButtonPressed" | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | string "lid" | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the previously quoted mute button msg | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make me wonder if the "cover" string in N900 really is that great | 02:00 |
| Jucato | MohammadAG: hehe now I realize why I was getting device errors. somehow, my /dev was empty :) | 02:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 02:01 |
| villager | well, "cover" would be the name of the button | 02:01 |
| Jucato | must have rm'ed something by mistake (just woke up) :P | 02:01 |
| villager | at least as identified by hal | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | Jucato, hmm | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | did you rm -rf /scratchbox/*? | 02:02 |
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| Jucato | earlier, yeah | 02:02 |
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| villager | anyway, gotta go I guess, it's late | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, see? that's what killed my i5 | 02:02 |
| Jucato | then some rm failed, noticed there were some bind mounted stuff. just realized I probably nuked /dev too :) | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | Jucato, same thing happened here about a month ago | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | i left my i5 in IL running | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | i rm -rf'd /scratchbox/* | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | i couldn't ssh back into it | 02:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | NICs should wake up when power goes down, seriously... | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | villager: strange thing: I get "cover" for lockslider switch as well | 02:04 |
| Jucato | heh this is almost similar to how I rm'ed my $HOME a few years ago ... but that time I was chrooted and my $HOME was linked/mounted >.< | 02:05 |
| Jucato | also done when I just woke up ... | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: and for kbd-slider | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so that's definitely a bug now | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | against N900/maemo | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | prolly a WONTFIX tbh | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: actually a CANTFIX | 02:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, maybe in the new bugzilla version | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you're not supposed to break a API spec to fix a bug | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey, google does it | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | see zoutube, it's dead now | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | even though it was quite a useful app :( | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you must by all means keep backward compatibility as much as possible, there might be apps relying on that buggy behaviour | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so only way is to define a new *additional* dbus-msg sending the proper switch name, and possibly also the state as well | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now it's pretty clear why dbus-scripting daemon had no means to connect the playback of that kbd slider sound to the kbd only (not to mention to kbd OPEN only) | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's all the same random dbus msg, for arbitrary buttons press and release events | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what insane policy is that? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask villager :-D | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | if apps are relying on undocumented and even buggy behaviour, they deserve to be broken | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, so apps using dbus generally meet that definition, as dbus msgs obviously are rarely ever specified | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka documented | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so using dbus == using undocumented features | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: anyway I tend to agree with you about we could evaluate how likely it is that there's any number of apps out there that relys on kbd-slider called "cover" in dbus msg | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then conclude it's not worth the ugly scheme of keeping that bug for compatibility reasons | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: any app coder using this specific behaviour should have noticed there's something stinking fishy, and should have filed a ticket very same moment, then think about a way to implement a workaround that does not break when the bug gets fixed | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how would I identify the process called "signal sender=:1.13" ? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it's mce, but you never know | 02:20 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: while the "cover" string is not different, the UDI path is different for lock and shutter | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but that's not exactly what we expected, no? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, you got me. these msgs are not exactly same | 02:23 |
| villager | each device is its own namespace I guess, so each gpio switch can have something called "cover" I suppose, as long as they're different device paths | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: you got any pointer to the freedesktop or whatever specs about that particular dbus msg? | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | the whole sysfs gpio-switch path is not supported by Linux | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | so.. | 02:24 |
| villager | not handy right now... I just searched for docs with google when I needed'em | 02:24 |
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| villager | anyway now I really should go to bed... gotta get up early | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | night villager :-) | 02:25 |
| villager | night | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, dbus-scripting daemon doesn't support matching on path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_kb_lock; >:-O | 02:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer gets out the lart and wonders to whom to apply it | 02:39 | |
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| ptl | oh noes. | 02:42 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: 's ok, you can olways lart me if no other suspects are around :) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG, restricting the swoosh sound to kbd-slide-open means I need to keep state copy of the slide, as nobody will tell me the dbus event actually was for kbd slide, or possibly random other switch and kbd is open since epoch | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I could do a tail dmesg and hope no other spam scrolled out the event, and it wasn't just the wrong event happening shortly after actually opening the kbd :-/ | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sweeeeeeeet | 02:46 |
| ptl | you don't have different dbus events for keyboard slide close and keyboard slide open? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I got even practically (as of dbus-scripting daemon) indistinguishable events for *any* key pres and release event | 02:47 |
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| ptl | isn't there a readily available state flag to see this -- if the slide is open or closed? | 02:48 |
| ptl | you have to keep track yourself? | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is what I got in /etc/dbus-scripting.d/dbus-scripts-settings: | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it triggers an proximity sensor, scrennlock slider, cam lens slide... everything | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | on open and on close | 02:49 |
| ptl | :| | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: and nope, I got no flag anywhere in system that could *easily* tell me "_last_ event was kbd-open" | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just can check if kbd *is* open or closed | 02:50 |
| ptl | seems awkward! | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I need a local copy of kbd slider state, and compare that to actual state of kbd on each dbus event for arbitrary key, and just execute the action if states of local copy and real thing differ | 02:52 |
| papertigers | so is $520 for an n900 worth it? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope!!! | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:52 |
| papertigers | DocScrutinizer: cheaper? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | papertigers: nevermind | 02:53 |
| Kegetys | depends on how much $520 is worth for you :P | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just extremly upset atm | 02:53 |
| papertigers | Kegetys: not money thing, just is it cheaper elsewhere | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | here in Europe you can get for same amount of EUR, so I can't comment | 02:54 |
| ptl | For me it would be worth. Even with its downsides, the N900 was one of my best acquisitions ever. | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | despite that dbus switch signalling idiocy | 02:55 |
| ptl | lol | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | I'd rate the N900 as a $300 smartphone, but not a $520 handheld computer | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, now it swooshes even when putting into pocket :-/ (prox sensor) - giving it a boot | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | actually, let me revise that | 02:57 |
| joga | for me it's worth more than its cost :) | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | I'll give it a $400 smartphone+digital camera+light GPS | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | basically, it replaces a couple of handheld appliances, but doesn't fit the "computer" bill | 02:58 |
| papertigers | I have a nexus one but I want this as a mobile tablet that I can write python apps for, and switch out sims if wanted | 02:58 |
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| luke-jr | papertigers: you can write apps, sure | 02:58 |
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| luke-jr | but you could write apps for [Android] phones too | 02:59 |
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| papertigers | luke-jr: python * | 03:00 |
| papertigers | dont like java | 03:00 |
| luke-jr | papertigers: meh, Python's not much better | 03:01 |
| papertigers | luke-jr: love it | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | luke-jr: http://pastebin.ca/1909711 | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | (sign issue with altitude rate) | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | free raspberries for the next week. | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | hmm, really? | 03:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pick your own | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | you're at -104.5m alt? | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | eys | 03:06 |
| jMCg | Hello happy people. | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | hrmmm | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm running out of freezer space | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | no - + | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | that site is at +106.2m +-10cm | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I lost your hexdumps ☹ | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | err | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | what's the problem then? | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | look at the alt rate | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | it goes from small positive to 65530cm/s or so | 03:09 |
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| luke-jr | ah | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | climb | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | there probably *is* a signing problem with altitude too | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | but I'm not really sure how to check :p | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I found the hexdump file - would it be of use? | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | hire a submarint | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | no, I know what you mean now ☺ | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: does GPS work underwater? | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | anyone here in New Orleans or some other negative-altitude city? | 03:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | not significantly | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - have you checked it with anyone east of grenwich> | 03:13 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if you want to test, the climb bug should be fixed at the same URI | 03:13 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: no, why? | 03:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | similar issue possibly | 03:14 |
| luke-jr | where? | 03:14 |
| luke-jr | speed is always positive | 03:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean when longitude goes negative | 03:15 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Longitude is already negative for me and you :P | 03:17 |
| luke-jr | and I put the same code for Latitude | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - doh | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It updates 5 sat positions per packet? | 03:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - also - it doesn't seem to disturb other GPS apps | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it just dumps what the GPS says :p | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it does for me, when I exit it | 03:23 |
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| luke-jr | if they're running then | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been running a GPX logger since ... | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | I'm pretty sure the core code doesn't interfere with the Maemo GPS daemon | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | but the start might | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | and the stop definitely does | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | since 10:40 | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | if you strip the start/stop out, it will only dump when Maemo starts/stops the GPS ☺ | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: note Maemo will continue to report the same lat/lon and such even when the GPS is dead | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | and forgot I'd been running 'gps' beforehand - started it and it worked fine | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | seems to work here | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | then I killed gps, ran gps2, and it still works, carrying on logging | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | oh well | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | if you have to reboot, don't say I didn't warn you | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | not like it'd be the end of the world :P | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: bq24150 reports 82% 3.95V on discharge, 4.16V during charging, bat icon shows 50%, lshald thinks 2/8 bars and 14%... o.O | 03:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you say ^C to strace attached to a running process disturbs or breaks that process? | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | no? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is your app not using the strace hack? | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | it's not | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah ok | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | it's opening a direct phonet socket | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't require any proprietary software | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | i c | 03:43 |
| Jucato | yay SDK up! installing nokia-binary stuff. btw, how do I know if I'm on pr 1.2 already? | 03:45 |
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| Jucato | (also, I thought pr 1.2 would make Qt installed by default?) | 03:45 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: though it does require cellmo to be initialized; I would be interested in someone else testing my initcellmo binary ;) | 03:49 |
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| Jucato | MohammadAG51: thank you for your guide :D http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/31920-howto-get-linux-maemo-sdk-w-emulator-running.html | 03:57 |
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| Jucato | anyone know how to connect the SDK emulator (the one running on Xephyr) to Qt Creator so that when I have Maemo as a target in Creator and click on run, it will run there? (I have no device yet) | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fingerscrolling in xterm pumps up the current drawn from battery from 230 to 500 | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's with display at maximum | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | with display at minimum it's like 120 to 450 | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | even down to 100 | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2G, WLAN, bq-script running loop 5 | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and xchat | 05:16 |
| ShadowJK | \o/ compositing | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:16 |
| ShadowJK | antialiased vector fonts | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | minimum is surprisingly light | 05:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | even playing video if the codec is supported | 05:17 |
| ShadowJK | video playback bypasses sgx :) | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay, xcat activity (this one prolly) pushed it to 250 | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, cranking up again, to hit dead flat before going to sleep | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ydzh | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ydzj | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lshal got better idea bout batstate now, after charging finished | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, bought a BL-5J today, for fun and features | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o2 shop: 50EUR, unpacked BL-5J (?) from handyshop impexp 15EUR | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | For use, or abuse? | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | abuse | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | get me desktop charger tomorrow | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | l8r | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 05:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | wave | 05:30 |
| Jucato | anyone know if screen rotation is possible on the emulator (Xephyr)? | 05:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suppose other than xrandr - o left onthe host? | 05:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | viewfinder in nightmode with brightness +2 has almost better sight than I do. Of course noisy like hell, but looks almost like day, though it's full moon. Alas the photos are waaay darker, no idea why it refuses to take photos that look like viewfinder | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the stupid batery tells me to stay awake another 4..5h :-(. Need to do some filesharing over 3G :-P | 06:04 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: fcam might help you there? | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | fcam failed epically. white screen | 06:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though it somehow figured ISO3200 would be right, no idea why | 06:07 |
| asj | huh, ah well | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and histogram gave some non-null info | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly I gave it a 10s chance, then continued my way back home, after I did some 20..30 shots with genuine pr1.2 cam, with all permutations of settings | 06:09 |
| asj | I would have expected some sucess, especially if you went full manual | 06:09 |
| asj | but <shrug> | 06:09 |
| ShadowJK | gpsjinni, 3g, camera video recording | 06:09 |
| * ShadowJK has seen 1.1amp | 06:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly should have correctly closed the other cam app before starting fcam | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-) | 06:10 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: heh, maybe ;) | 06:10 |
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| papertigers | $450 online, should I do it!? n900 | 07:31 |
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| Spyzer | hi all | 08:04 |
| Spyzer | what do i need to install on my nokia 900 to run qt applications compiled for maemo ?? | 08:04 |
| Spyzer | or does it already have that runtime | 08:04 |
| Spyzer | ? | 08:04 |
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| Spyzer | anybody please tell... | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | it'll put it in automatically | 08:07 |
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| ieatlint | if you're running PR1.2, it has qt support | 08:10 |
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| Spyzer | how to check what i am running, i mean whether i have gtk in my nokia 900 or qt ?? | 08:10 |
| ieatlint | you definitely have gtk | 08:11 |
| asj | Spyzer: are you have a particular problem? | 08:11 |
| Spyzer | so does it have qt environment, for running qt apps as well | 08:11 |
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| Spyzer | no not a problem, i am beginning development for maemo with qt apps, but do not know beforehand whether they will run on my nokia 900 which only has gtk | 08:12 |
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| asj | Spyzer: it does not only have gtk, and you will not have a problem | 08:12 |
| Spyzer | okay thanks :) | 08:12 |
| Spyzer | one more thing, do i also have jvm in the nokia 900 (I mean Java J2ME) for running java apps | 08:13 |
| Spyzer | ? | 08:13 |
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| ieatlint | i think you're the first person i see ask for java | 08:14 |
| ieatlint | err, i've seen | 08:14 |
| ieatlint | this whole conjugation thing is hard | 08:15 |
| Spyzer | well actually, i have to benchmark something running on java and qt | 08:15 |
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| Spyzer | and give the performance stats | 08:15 |
| asj | Spyzer: simple answer, no there's no jvm | 08:15 |
| Spyzer | can i install it? | 08:15 |
| asj | Spyzer: no | 08:15 |
| Spyzer | what, really?? | 08:15 |
| Spyzer | nothing like <apt-get install sun-java6-jre> :) | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | Spyzer: google: n900 opera mini | 08:19 |
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| ieatlint | you may find your answers through google... you're unlikely to get anyone to walk you through it here | 08:20 |
| ieatlint | slonopotamus: i think you mean opera mobile, which is native code and not java | 08:20 |
| Spyzer | well it seems the only solution is using micremulator | 08:21 |
| Spyzer | huh?? | 08:21 |
| slonopotamus | ieatlint: ... | 08:21 |
| Spyzer | slonopotamus: aren't they running opera mini on microemulator ?? | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | Spyzer: dunno. i just saw that someone had it running. | 08:23 |
| Spyzer | ok | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: yes! | 08:24 |
| Spyzer | i saw that the nokia sdk has a simulator for testing your apps, is that a generic one, I mean does it represent both symbian and maemo ?? | 08:25 |
| ieatlint | some people are masochists... i can believe it | 08:25 |
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| slonopotamus | Spyzer: nokia qt sdk? | 08:27 |
| Spyzer | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Nokia_Qt_SDK | 08:27 |
| slonopotamus | "yes" would be shorter :P | 08:28 |
| slonopotamus | Spyzer: i think answer to your question is yes. | 08:30 |
| Spyzer | ok | 08:31 |
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| Ebzzry | Regarding the flasher, what are the differences between the -F and -r flags? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | -F specifies what fiasco file to use, -r means reboot after doing whatever | 09:00 |
| asj | Ebzzry: well...most people use fiasco images...and unless you're haking together your own root / image...you won't need -r | 09:00 |
| Ebzzry | -r is for root image. -R is to reboot | 09:01 |
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| Ebzzry | asj: I'm sorry, but doesn't answer the question. | 09:02 |
| asj | Ebzzry: <boggle> | 09:02 |
| Ebzzry | asj: you'd have to explain in turn what difference do fiasco and root images have, assuming they have any. | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Ebzzry: ah, not enough coffee | 09:03 |
| asj | Ebzzry: you could also learn to use google :) | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | fiasco can contain multiple things, like mmc, rootfs, kernel, initfs, initrd.. | 09:03 |
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| Ebzzry | asj: I did my homework | 09:04 |
| Ebzzry | Stskeeps: Hmm | 09:04 |
| Ebzzry | Stskeeps: Is that documented somewhere? | 09:04 |
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| naknomik | Does MfE support Google mail? | 09:06 |
| ieatlint | no | 09:07 |
| asj | naknomik: you can do it via nuevasync.com if you want to pay to play | 09:08 |
| * asj gives up and goes home | 09:08 | |
| Ebzzry | ieatlint: we're you answering my query for Stskeeps? | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | no | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | for google mfe support | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | although if you're asking if something is documented, i'll default to saying no | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | safe guess, etc | 09:10 |
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| Ebzzry | ieatlint: OK | 09:12 |
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| naknomik | asj, ieatlint: it looks like contacts and calendar sync works, but mail sync doesn't, is that correct? | 09:13 |
| ieatlint | i've heard that some people got contacts and calendar to work... i was unable | 09:13 |
| ieatlint | i believe there is an epic thread about this on talk.maemo.org | 09:13 |
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| Ebzzry | Stskeeps: Thanks for the link, but it isn't as detailed as I hoped to be. | 09:16 |
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| sulliwan | Hi. Does anyone know if I can somehow get the n900 calendar to show more than 1 month of events in agenda/week view? | 10:06 |
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| red | sulliwan: there is atleast a better calendar widget that you can set to show up X amount of things upcoming. Can show up to like 10 or so upcoming events regardless of how long ahead time they are. | 10:16 |
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| sulliwan | yeah, that's not quite what I want. Would simply want to scroll down in agenda view and see more events | 10:17 |
| sulliwan | the month view is pretty much useless :P | 10:17 |
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| sulliwan | there' the GPE calendar in repository which I assume can do that, but it can't sync with PC suite, right? | 10:18 |
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| Duckboot | Anyone remember the place which was mentioned here some time ago which sold high grade batteries for the N900? | 10:38 |
| SwedeMike | high grade? | 10:41 |
| SwedeMike | high capacity or high quality? | 10:41 |
| Duckboot | SwedeMike: Both | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | nokia | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | nobody made anything better | 10:42 |
| SwedeMike | well, I bought stuff from dealextreme.com, but they're mostly cheap. | 10:42 |
| SwedeMike | their battery seems to have survived me washing it full cycle in the washing machine though, so it's not too bad quality :P | 10:43 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: Nah - There was some place with batteries which costed _alot_ and was considered High-grade. | 10:43 |
| Duckboot | Some German producer I think | 10:43 |
| SwedeMike | the one you needed a new cover for because it was twice the size? | 10:45 |
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| Duckboot | SwedeMike: I think that was it. | 10:46 |
| Duckboot | Not sure though | 10:46 |
| SwedeMike | google for <extended battery n900>, there are quite a few references to be had. | 10:47 |
| Duckboot | Mugen - There it was | 10:47 |
| Duckboot | 2400 mAh | 10:48 |
| Duckboot | $87.95 | 10:48 |
| SwedeMike | I solved it by buying 4 batteries instead, at USD4 a pop that feels more price efficient | 10:49 |
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| Duckboot | SwedeMike: Well - That might be a solution too - But as I go for extended hiking trips, a big battery or a solar charger is my solutions - And a big battery is the best, cause then I don't have to remember any extra stuff to bring along. | 10:53 |
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| SwedeMike | Duckboot: so you're going to buy two batteries anyway? | 10:57 |
| Duckboot | SwedeMike: Nope - 1 big one | 10:58 |
| jacekowski | original batteryis like 1.6mAh isn't it? | 10:59 |
| Duckboot | 1320 | 10:59 |
| psycho_oreos | for n900 its 1320mAh | 10:59 |
| SwedeMike | Duckboot: so you're going to have USB solar charger only? | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | hmm twice the size | 10:59 |
| Duckboot | SwedeMike: Dunno yet | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | then you still have problem with bme and stuff in the phone | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | as there is no bsi value for that | 10:59 |
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| Duckboot | jacekowski: Can you give me a short rundown on what problems you're talking about? | 11:01 |
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| jacekowski | Duckboot: there is 3rd contact on battery | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: BSI | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: it's used to detect battery type and adjust charging according to it | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: if you use not standard battery there is no BSI value for it | 11:07 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: Mhmm - Not standarized then, so the software controlling the charger just have some presets? | 11:08 |
| jacekowski | yes | 11:09 |
| jacekowski | for different batteries | 11:09 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: Kk | 11:09 |
| Duckboot | That's really dumb | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | but it only has values for nokia batteries | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | it's what you are supposed to to | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | every battery has unique charging specs | 11:10 |
| Duckboot | Shouldn't be that difficult to make an algorithm to support all batteries, if BSI was standarized. | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | BSI is just a single value | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | that specifies specific nokia battery | 11:11 |
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| jacekowski | so it checks bsi and then it knows what is the maximum voltage, minimum, charging current | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | and couple other values | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | and 2x bigger battery needs 2x charging current | 11:13 |
| Duckboot | Hmmm. I see the reason, since it would secure phone manufactorers, so that customers only buy their products, but it wouldn't be that hard to standarized on values for different charging profiles. | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | it would be hard | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | as every single battery is different | 11:13 |
| SwedeMike | jacekowski: when you say "needs 2x charging current" is that for optimal, or you're saying it doesn't work at all? | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | optimal | 11:14 |
| SwedeMike | check. | 11:14 |
| Duckboot | Yes - but if you have a standard, then producers would have to make batteries complying to the standard. | 11:14 |
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| jacekowski | but you can't | 11:14 |
| Duckboot | Why? | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | because of how battery works | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | ideally you would need different charging profile when battery is new | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | and different when it has aged | 11:15 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: I know that, but when you produce a battery, you don't produce a random battery, and watches how the outcome is. | 11:16 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: sorry but that'd mean the manufacturers would have to admit that computer gear actually change and age over time - no marketing derpartment EVER will allow that : | 11:16 |
| jacekowski | well | 11:16 |
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| jacekowski | Duckboot: you do produce random battery | 11:17 |
| Bluewind | anyone know if something like this exists for maemo? http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-technolatry-antennas-qiEq.aspx | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: only batteries from same factory and same series have comparable parameters | 11:17 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: So each and every battery is different? And would have to have different charging cycle? | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | ideally - yes | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | but because similiar batteries have similiar parameters | 11:18 |
| jacekowski | and bme can learn | 11:18 |
| Duckboot | So basically the reason for not complying to standards is costs of changing the production parameters? | 11:18 |
| jacekowski | partialy yes | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | partialy because benefits are not big enough to overcome costs | 11:19 |
| Duckboot | Mmm. | 11:19 |
| Duckboot | So it all boils down to costs then. That I can understand. | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | you could maybe replace BSI with some 512bytes eeprom | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | like some laptop batteries do | 11:20 |
| Duckboot | But a BIG battery with its own charger would be OK, but not the internal charger iside the N900 | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | so all parameters would be stored inside battery | 11:21 |
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| jacekowski | but that would break compatibility | 11:21 |
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| Duckboot | jacekowski: Hehe - there is always a pitfall | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | well n900 charger is just simple stupid power supply | 11:22 |
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| jacekowski | and inside there is bq24150 | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | that's controlling charging | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | and that chip is capable of delivering current that's enough to charge even that bigger battery | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | well, almost | 11:22 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, 1.25A max | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | nah, that's not enough | 11:23 |
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| jacekowski | and with that sort of difference it wouldn't be even able to charge that bigger battery to 100% | 11:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | anyone pinged me? | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | 02:57 < Jucato> MohammadAG51: thank you for your guide :D http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/31920-howto-get-linux-maemo-sdk-w-emulator-running.html | 11:47 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Nah - but if you feel lonely I can ping you. | 11:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | thanks jacekowski | 11:51 |
| tybollt | was about to ... ehr "ping" you mohammad | 11:51 |
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| ieatlint | i'll ping you ;) | 11:53 |
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| divan | Good day. Did someone got such error "ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Unknown user.(root)" in log after uploading package to the Garage? | 11:56 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: builder broken | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | divan: speak to X-Fade | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | divan: Did you accept your invitation? | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | bah, I lost the source for synaptics that builds properly | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | should've uploaded it... | 12:12 |
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| divan | X-Fade, already solved. It was simple dependancy problem and it was clear from the logs. But this message was confusing. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | divan: There is a problem with your account, looking into it. | 12:14 |
| divan | Where to look? | 12:14 |
| divan | Invitation accepted, yes. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | divan: Nothing you can do. | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, may I ask why qt4-maemo5-homescreen-loader is still on the repos? | 12:15 |
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| MohammadAG | it should've been taken down with libqt4-maemo5-* packages | 12:15 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Need to check. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: -devel? | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | I think so, but it's causing users problems | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, nvm, it seems to have been removed, but packages depending on it might be there | 12:17 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: that's an interesting point you make there... | 12:17 |
| tybollt | are -devel shitz allowed to be so busted it fuck peoples phones up? | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 12:17 |
| tybollt | (Case in point: browser switchboard) | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | take libsdl1.2-mixer for example | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | someone updated it, the update breaks mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 12:18 |
| tybollt | right, what about it (I'm not aware of the details, sorry) | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | wrong package name up there ^, but check http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2 | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | libsdl-mixer1.2 1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 breaks the SSU package | 12:20 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: qt4-maemo5-homescreen-loader dependencies removed. | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | The sdl-mixer on is bad. That needs to be removed from the repos. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | If someone wants to improve sdl-mixer then it needs to be renamed unfortunately. | 12:29 |
| divan | X-Fade, how to edit/add homepage for project? Sorry for dummy question, but I already spent 30 minutes to find how to do this. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | lol X-Fade has MohammadAG been breaking repos again | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, aww, don't blame me, I'm helping fix what others broke | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, not him. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | ~MohammadAG++ | 12:30 |
| divan | I mean in Garage. Page for my_project.garage.maemo.org | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | divan: put www dir in your svn/git and put the pages there. | 12:31 |
| divan | clear, thanks. | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Evil mixer removed. | 12:33 |
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| MohammadAG | Thanks X-Fade | 12:33 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, yayyy @ having bug cert renewed :D | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | the bmo one? | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | yes it appears valid | 12:36 |
| RST38h | heya lcuk | 12:37 |
| lcuk | hi RST38h \o | 12:37 |
| lcuk | as of yesterday MohammadAG | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9109 be closed | 12:38 |
| povbot | Bug 9109: SSL certificate expired | 12:38 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ^^ | 12:39 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, it isn't used anymore. | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | https junkies | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | is https that secure? | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | I thought it can be easily faked | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | if you have fingerprint of certificate | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | obtained in secure way | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | then it can't | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | but otherwise somebody can be using fake certificate | 12:45 |
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| lcuk | doh X-Fade my mistake yeah, MohammadAG you meant to highlight 10951 :p | 12:45 |
| MohammadAG | bug 10951 | 12:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, no, I meant to highlight 9109 :P | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | fake certs require that a root CA get compromised... the easiest way is to find one of the handful of root CAs that still uses md5 hashes, and find an md5 collision | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | it would require a lot of effort, and still requires a man in the middle attack angle | 12:46 |
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| jacekowski | ieatlint: not really | 12:47 |
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| jacekowski | ieatlint: most CAs don't verify that you are legitimate owner of domain that you request cert for | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | so you can buy "fake" cert | 12:47 |
| ieatlint | more specifically they have poor verification, such as "well, put this html file with this hash on the domain, and then we'll assume you own it" | 12:48 |
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| ieatlint | might be able to BS a phone call to authorise it | 12:48 |
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| ieatlint | but i doubt too many would fall for that | 12:48 |
| ieatlint | if any | 12:48 |
| jacekowski | one is enough | 12:48 |
| ieatlint | true enough | 12:48 |
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| ieatlint | i have a friend who made a browser plugin to cache the ssl fingerprints of sites, so that it both forces you to https if the site also supports http, and detects if the cert has changed | 12:49 |
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| jacekowski | well, all browser cache fingerprints | 12:50 |
| jacekowski | http://images.4chan.org/gif/src/1280220313610.gif | 12:51 |
| ieatlint | on a related topic, you hear how google added ssl support for searches? | 12:52 |
| jacekowski | yeah they did | 12:52 |
| jacekowski | but it's useless | 12:52 |
| ieatlint | so load https://google.com and laugh | 12:52 |
| jacekowski | hmm, they removed it | 12:52 |
| ieatlint | nope | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | hmm, no | 12:53 |
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| ieatlint | https://www.google.com works fine | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | well thing is that it's useless | 12:53 |
| ieatlint | it's not | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | because if somebody will see theat you went to google | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | typed something | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | and then opened 3 websites after that | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | porn.com | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | porn-videos.com | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | free-porn.com | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | and because of that autocompletion thing | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it is possible to figure out the nature of your search through it | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | he knows you typed 4 letters | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | then with 99% probablity he will know that you typed "porn" into google | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | but it still can protect some sensitive data | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | you'd be surprised the stupid shit people search for | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | SSNs being a good example | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | so? | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | everybody can get that number anyways | 12:55 |
| ieatlint | not that easily | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | that number is used in too many places | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | for it to be treated as anything secret | 12:56 |
| ieatlint | only banks | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/social-insecurity-numbers-open-to-hacking.ars | 12:56 |
| ieatlint | not that surprising... first 3 digits are place of birth, and yeah, it's then issued "sequentially" with the luhn algorithm | 12:57 |
| ieatlint | trial and error rate is still high | 12:57 |
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| jacekowski | not high enough to consider it secret | 12:59 |
| Wolfie | huh... the finnish SSN is awesome. Date, sequential id for that day and verify | 13:00 |
| ieatlint | so the basis of your argument is "well, with your place and date of birth, and a bit of bruce force, i can get your ssn... so you might as well just hand it out" | 13:01 |
| ieatlint | Wolfie: most US states used to use the SSN as their ID card number... hawaii only switched away from it in 2006 | 13:01 |
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| ieatlint | and military contractor cards print the SSN on their ID cards, hehe | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | no, you shouldn't use it at all for any verification purposes | 13:02 |
| ieatlint | not saying it's secret | 13:02 |
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| ieatlint | jacekowski: very true, which is why i refuse to give it to anyone who doesn't have cause | 13:02 |
| ieatlint | with very specific exceptions, opening a bank account requires a SSN here | 13:02 |
| ieatlint | same with getting a driver licence | 13:03 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG51, talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=767563&postcount=220 | 13:03 |
| Wolfie | i'm amazed that giving out your SSN in the US is so hazardrous | 13:03 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG51, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=767563&postcount=220 | 13:03 |
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| Wolfie | okay, i guess someone could change my ADSL subscription, having a male voice and knowing my name and SSN, but, iirc, there's always a paper copy I need to acknowledge | 13:04 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm amazed that something so off-topic is being discussed | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: well, here you just need name and address | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: and no paper copy to acknowledge | 13:04 |
| ieatlint | with someone's name and SSN, i can get a credit card in their name and have it mailed to an address of my choosing | 13:05 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: "here" being the US | 13:05 |
| Wolfie | ? | 13:05 |
| ieatlint | crashanddie_: it's irc... be amazed when shit is on topic | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | UK | 13:05 |
| Wolfie | ok | 13:05 |
| ieatlint | US here | 13:05 |
| Wolfie | that's scary | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | well, nobody abuses it | 13:05 |
| crashanddie_ | ieatlint, Wolfie, jacekowski: please take this some other place. Thanks | 13:05 |
| Wolfie | crashanddie_: aww, how boring | 13:06 |
| ieatlint | crashanddie_: it's ruining the idle on-topic conversations going on? right, sorry.. | 13:06 |
| Wolfie | (no community thrives without an off-topic section, btw) | 13:06 |
| Wolfie | anyways, back to work/idle | 13:07 |
| crashanddie_ | feel free to create #maemo-offtopic | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | well, nobody would want to change my adsl subscription ( same one i'm using for my maemo based phone ) because that wouldn't give them any profit - is that on topic enough? | 13:07 |
| ieatlint | isn't #maemo supposed to be the general chat? | 13:07 |
| Wolfie | crashanddie_: that's hardly the point :) | 13:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG51, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=767563&postcount=220 | 13:07 |
| crashanddie_ | damn, sorry for the spamming mate | 13:08 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie_: that's little bit rude | 13:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | it is indeed | 13:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | but I'm pissed off at all the snake oil salesmen blaming comunity for their failure | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | failure? | 13:11 |
| crashanddie_ | boo fucking hoo, you got guys knocking you down from your pedestal, and it hurt your motivation? | 13:12 |
| ieatlint | maybe you should bitch at people then | 13:12 |
| crashanddie_ | eh? | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: besides, there is no community support | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | fuck all | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | zero | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | none | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski, quite frankly, I'm happy it's just a "little bit rudeing", I've done far worse. | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | there can't be community support | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | same with chromium | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | there's nothing to start supporting | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | nobody decided to help | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | did you ask? | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | yes | 13:15 |
| crashanddie_ | well, chromium is just yet another browser, who gives a shit | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski does | 13:15 |
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| jacekowski | not really | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | i'm using opera | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | k, then who gives a shit | 13:15 |
| crashanddie_ | this is (alegedly) packet injection, mac spoofing, and what not | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | mac spoofing's easy | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | well, original driver supports mac cpoofing | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | and packet injection is easy | 13:16 |
| BCMM | crashanddie_: wow, fixed-width for the interface font sure makes an app look 1337... | 13:16 |
| crashanddie_ | a lot more interesting than clicking on icon a or b to view the exact same webpage | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it is easy, making a driver for it isn't | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | well, how many people from community are working on development really | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | 1 | 13:17 |
| crashanddie_ | the guy has everthing closed | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | and they're not from the community | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | but i'm talking in general | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | host mode | 13:17 |
| crashanddie_ | plenty? | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | 2-3 people | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | not everyone can help in that field jacekowski | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | and community just asking stupid questions | 13:17 |
| crashanddie_ | I think there are more devs outside the community than inside it | 13:17 |
| BCMM | crashanddie_: i know it's a minor point, but it instantly makes me feel like the whole thing isn't terribly serious | 13:18 |
| TermanaN900 | why so serious? | 13:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, I'm guessing after he scripted the text scrolling, he had a lot of time to change the fonts | 13:19 |
| BCMM | like, it makes it look like somebody had to talk him out of matrix-theming his security application | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | http://i28.tinypic.com/idudkg.jpg | 13:22 |
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| drizztbsd | LOL | 13:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | jacekowski, reading comics to understand what it would be like to talk to girls? | 13:26 |
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| technomike | hey guys. i seem to have lost the "availability" option on my n900 for some reason. any ideas on how to restore it? | 13:38 |
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| MohammadAG | restart :P | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | or kill telepathy | 13:38 |
| technomike | haha I have restarted many times now. no luck :( | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:39 |
| mc_teo | yo, gstreamers! can you help me fix this article for http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam | 13:41 |
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| mc_teo | for n900 | 13:41 |
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| benbrown | Is it really bad to use pthread_* in a gtk app? Or is it ok as long as threaded gtk stuff is inside gdk_threads_enter/leave ? | 13:44 |
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| mc_teo | specifically after tried running the shell script, it said no element "gconfvl2src" | 13:49 |
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| mc_teo | so i changed it back to v4l2src | 13:50 |
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| mc_teo | now it says no element "hantro4200enc" | 13:51 |
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| tybollt | how do I zoom in the picture app? :-S | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | circle | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | or is it volume buttons | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | moving your head closer to screen also works | 14:25 |
| lcuk | I find moving arm closer to be more socially acceptible | 14:27 |
| benbrown | volume buttons seem to work, as does moving head | 14:27 |
| Corsac | moving arm works too | 14:27 |
| benbrown | yeah. | 14:27 |
| lcuk | on that score, using the inverted ar stuff I have been playing with, changing the scale of photos as the device is lifted off the table is a curious effect | 14:28 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: doesn't that feal unnatural? | 14:31 |
| haj | wasn't there some discussion on the forum about making a app (or a mod) that would ask you what you wanted to start when opening the camera lens? | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, when i dont do it, maintaining the scale feels wrong | 14:32 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: I tried circle instinctively | 14:33 |
| lcuk | the current version in github does that and picking device up should be adjusting the scale | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | then don't maintain it? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | sure | 14:33 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: EPIC FAIL, suffice to say :) | 14:33 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: might try volume buttons, thanks | 14:33 |
| lcuk | it was just more jumpy with initial sketch version so i blocked it | 14:33 |
| lcuk | now i have tied down the system to be smoother :) | 14:33 |
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| haj | ah.. here.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=575840 | 14:36 |
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| tybollt | hrrrm | 14:39 |
| tybollt | "okuda theme" | 14:39 |
| tybollt | not fair to name it that when okuda himself didn't make it | 14:39 |
| tybollt | blegh | 14:39 |
| th3hate | what happens if i replace libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/browser/plugins, with the one from ubuntu (10.1)? | 14:40 |
| tybollt | th3hate: is that ubuntu for for armel? | 14:40 |
| th3hate | no | 14:40 |
| th3hate | for x64 lol | 14:40 |
| tybollt | lol | 14:40 |
| th3hate | should i give it a shot? | 14:41 |
| tybollt | no you should not | 14:41 |
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| tybollt | if you do I'll tell you mum to thwap you upside your head | 14:41 |
| cehteh | just do .. it will crash and eat kittens .. but its your device :P | 14:41 |
| tybollt | cehteh: meh :) | 14:42 |
| tybollt | there's no harming the kittens | 14:42 |
| cehteh | well there is bochs in the repository .. maybe you can run x86_64 flash in bochs | 14:42 |
| cehteh | *eg* | 14:42 |
| tybollt | ;) | 14:42 |
| th3hate | reboot loop is worst thing that could happen | 14:42 |
| th3hate | but i think browser will just crash | 14:42 |
| cehteh | you dont know about really worse things yet :) | 14:43 |
| cehteh | but for sure, it will not work | 14:43 |
| tybollt | like battery self igniting? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | reboot loops aren't possible by mozilla plugins | 14:43 |
| cehteh | yeah like that :) | 14:43 |
| th3hate | replaced it already, time to try youtube | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | won't work | 14:44 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG51: come on .. a really bad plugin may exploit the device and erase the flash | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | see? i'm optimistic | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | cehteh meh | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | so can dd | 14:44 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: You are optimistic - That will be the day ;-P | 14:44 |
| cehteh | th3hate: its rather 'can not work' than 'wont work' | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 14:45 |
| cehteh | i mean deterministically impossible | 14:45 |
| th3hate | A huge earth icon appeared in the middle of where is supposed to be a video | 14:45 |
| th3hate | well at least i tried | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, that's microb's way of saying wtf | 14:45 |
| cehteh | hope dies at last :P | 14:46 |
| Duckboot | th3hate: You cannot crank in an x86_64 lib into an Arm device and truly believe it will work ;-P | 14:46 |
| cehteh | he tried :P | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder what fraction of a percent of apps in extras-testing have their sourcecode read by someone who could in theory pick up system("sudo rm -rf /") | 14:46 |
| cehteh | well you can write a wrapper like nspluginwrapper which hooks in and runs the plugin under bochs | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, 0/x | 14:47 |
| cehteh | will give spectacular performance ... | 14:47 |
| cehteh | 1pps (pixel per second) :) | 14:47 |
| Duckboot | cehteh: Sure - but that's a bit more than copying. | 14:47 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: like that is unique tio Maemo... | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: Sure. | 14:47 |
| tybollt | oh it IS unique to maemo? | 14:48 |
| th3hate | at least we found a way to fake flash 10.1 on maemo | 14:48 |
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| th3hate | check this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=766484&postcount=967 | 14:48 |
| * tybollt frowns | 14:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | neat th3hate | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lying about the bits? | 14:48 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: besides it's all binary blob flash shit... you couldn't review the source if you tried | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | "we" is a strong word th3hate | 14:48 |
| tybollt | so the argument is void | 14:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: I mean - in the case of most apps. Not flash. | 14:49 |
| mc_teo | do you know gstreamer, im trying to get the streaming workings, and its a no-go | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: and flash is just another VM. | 14:49 |
| mc_teo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: in principle you can do the decompiling thing | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | flash video streaming would be awesome. | 14:49 |
| mc_teo | i want to stream using gstreamer, and ive n900 | 14:50 |
| tybollt | yes because everyone knoqws reverseengineering by heart - right? | 14:50 |
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| mc_teo | of course | 14:50 |
| mc_teo | first i get a error with "gconfv4l2src" so i have to change it back to "v4l2src" | 14:51 |
| th3hate | MohammadAG51: by "we" i mean the community | 14:51 |
| th3hate | faggot | 14:51 |
| mc_teo | and then i get a warning with "hantro4200enc" | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | Oi | 14:51 |
| * SpeedEvil points at jacekowski. | 14:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though I don't think he does flash. | 14:51 |
| mc_teo | so, is there something im missing for hantro4200enc? | 14:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer *cough* | 14:52 | |
| tybollt | th3hate: there's no need for such language. | 14:52 |
| th3hate | it was a joke :) | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | a bad one | 14:53 |
| th3hate | oi | 14:53 |
| tybollt | very | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, let it go | 14:53 |
| th3hate | I broke someones heart :'( | 14:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | th3hate: I dare you to take a version of that, make it flash 12, and point it at a flash detector site, then screenshot to TMO, with a post in all caps. | 14:54 |
| mc_teo | so, is there something im missing for hantro4200enc? | 14:55 |
| th3hate | Sounds like a plan!! | 14:55 |
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| mc_teo | gawd, i hate repeating myself | 14:57 |
| mc_teo | even if for just dramatic effect | 14:57 |
| th3hate | i opened libflashplayer.so using notpad to edit it, but that didn't go very well | 14:57 |
| th3hate | freezed pc | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | notepad'ing a binary is stupid | 14:57 |
| th3hate | +1 | 14:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | or any text editor | 14:58 |
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| th3hate | does something like "binary editor" exist? | 14:58 |
| E0x | morning | 14:58 |
| E0x | th3hate: hex editor | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | decompile, edit, compile, or hex it | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd leave that to people who know it though | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | like jacekowski | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | you can't decompile software | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | not easily | 14:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i know | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | you have to trace execution | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | I never tried it | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | never will | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | otherwise that code will not compile back | 14:59 |
| mc_teo | learn to code in binary, problem solved | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep, easiest solution | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | ... | 15:00 |
| lcuk | mc_teo, not the whole story, just knowing binary is one thing, but you still need to understandthe featureset and opecodes of the specific architechure the binary isrun under | 15:01 |
| lcuk | opcodes | 15:01 |
| Duckboot | lcuk: == Assembly Coding | 15:02 |
| Corsac | at least, risc is way more readable than cisc :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | Duckboot, sure, abstract the problem away - mc_teo was clearly calling for binary and not some high level language | 15:02 |
| Duckboot | lcuk: ;-P | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | but it's quite easy to modify binary | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | biggest problem is when you have to add something | 15:03 |
| Corsac | just use >> | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | because you have to find place for that bit of code you are adding | 15:03 |
| Corsac | :> | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 15:03 |
| th3hate | anyone knows a good flash version detector site? | 15:04 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: Sure you want stdout? | 15:04 |
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| Corsac | Duckboot: why not? | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html | 15:04 |
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| th3hate | jacekowski: thanks | 15:05 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: cause what you're trying to do is clearly is an error - Then 2> would be more correct ;-P | 15:05 |
| Corsac | are you implying that my code is an error? | 15:06 |
| Duckboot | Hehe | 15:06 |
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| mc_teo` | i think <3 would be more correct overall | 15:07 |
| mc_teo` | Duckboot: ^ | 15:07 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: Let's settle this peacefully then &> | 15:07 |
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| mc_teo` | ? | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | hmm, is there an ARM version of flashplayer 10? | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, yes | 15:08 |
| Duckboot | mc_teo`: Not familiar with redirection of stderr and stdout? | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | droid version? | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | froyo's | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it won't work on microb, though I'm sure you know that | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Nexus One's version, yes | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | yeah i know that | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | do you have binary? | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | you might find it in #nitdroid | 15:09 |
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| mc_teo` | do you know gstreamer, im trying to get the streaming workings, and its a no-go | 15:10 |
| mc_teo` | so, is there something im missing for hantro4200enc? | 15:10 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: I have NitDroid on my phone, I could look for it. | 15:10 |
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| MohammadAG | deja vu | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | Duckboot, libflashplayer.so | 15:10 |
| th3hate | maybe we could use libflashplayer.so that dj_steve used for nitdroid? | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: no | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: it's different | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | question is how different is it | 15:11 |
| th3hate | both are armel nop? | 15:11 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: Nope - No libflashplayer.so | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | yes, but libs are different | 15:12 |
| th3hate | maybe we can edit the libs | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | android browser != microb | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | for one | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | found it | 15:12 |
| th3hate | we need libflashplayer.so specifically for microB? thats never gonna happen | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | well duh | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: do you want to bet? | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, he meant officially | 15:13 |
| th3hate | yep | 15:13 |
| th3hate | i mean officialy | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | unofficially, I don't have a doubt you can do it | 15:13 |
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| th3hate | if bet is between us and getting flash 10.1 then hell yea i wanna bet @ | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, sec, I'll get you the lib | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | would've been easier if I had an account on xda | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | lunch time | 15:15 |
| alterego | I just made a bowl of cereal, and there was a spider in it .. | 15:15 |
| alterego | Nice. | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | i've got to eat something | 15:15 |
| alterego | I did think about eating it .. | 15:15 |
| E0x | alterego: proteins | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, what he ^ said | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | alterego, crunchy, when you bite down there is a taste explosion! | 15:17 |
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| achipa | duh, /usr/src/tweakflashver/tweakflashver/TweakFlashVer-build-maemo/../../../../include/gnu/stubs.h:7: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory | 15:17 |
| achipa | why can't this SDK thing just work | 15:17 |
| * SpeedEvil is recently eating a lot of porridge. | 15:17 | |
| alterego | lcuk: yuk :/ | 15:17 |
| achipa | every time I want to do a 10 min project I reminded why python rocks | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | 40g oats, 100g milk, 4 dates, 0.1g salt, in a small glass bowl, nuked for 3 mins. | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Add some cold milk on top, and _nom_ | 15:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | really cheap too. | 15:18 |
| alterego | I like dates | 15:18 |
| alterego | Not sure why you'd addd salt though :P | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Salt adds significantly to the taste. | 15:18 |
| alterego | And is it really important for the bowl to be glass? :) | 15:18 |
| * lcuk ate chocolate coated ants and other assorted insects a couple of weeks ago | 15:18 | |
| alterego | Cool | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: well - it's microwave safe | 15:19 |
| tobis87 | Hi, is it possible to block any silent sms on the n900? I read that you cold turn on the microphone remotly with this kind of sms. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: haha | 15:19 |
| lcuk | tobis87, o_O | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: That sort of stuff is not suppoted | 15:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | tobis87: Even mms's had to be added by a third party | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: that's one of urban myths | 15:19 |
| tobis87 | at least some bugs are usefull :-) | 15:19 |
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| jacekowski | based on that there was bug in one of phones | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | that you could do that kind of trick | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | but it was that you could call somebody and phone would automaticaly pick up the call | 15:20 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, backup with facts not further muck spreading - its no good if a friend of a friend of a friend once heard her boyfriend was once heard doing blah because of this | 15:20 |
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| jacekowski | give me a second | 15:21 |
| lcuk | gd | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | i'll go eat first | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | I'll legally upload it to somewhere... in russia | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | up it to my server | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | i'll be back in a moment | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | i have to eat | 15:22 |
| tobis87 | i mean nokiasiemens are famous for monitoring people: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8112550.stm | 15:23 |
| stonda | aren't all network manufacturers? | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, how? | 15:23 |
| frals | tobis87: theres a big difference between supplying a tool and using a tool | 15:24 |
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| tybollt | frals: or indeed; being a tool | 15:25 |
| frals | ^^ | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libflashplayer.so | 15:26 |
| alterego | Oh, I had my USB gender bender here the whole time .. | 15:26 |
| tybollt | alterego: o_O | 15:26 |
| alterego | What kind of an idiot would put it in his laptop bag ... | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: you cna NOT | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | can* | 15:27 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: ARM flashplayer? | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG | Duckboot, froyo's flashplayer | 15:29 |
| Duckboot | Aha | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | extracted from the apk | 15:30 |
| Duckboot | libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped | 15:30 |
| Duckboot | Seems OK | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | I don't do rm -rf libs | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | eavesdropping and privacy breaches on GSM are quite well understood. You can send silent sms to make the ME answer and thus you get a good location. You can configure the phone in a way (by flashing new firmware or whatever) so it may start transmitting without proper notice, usually on inbound call. You even can make a phone divert all calls to another number and still claim it's the number you originally dialled. | 15:31 |
| th3hate | froyo's version is significantly bigger in size than maemo, that's a lot of trimming to be done | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but all this does NOT apply to switching on microphone on a standard GSM phone by any remote means | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You can track peoples location globally | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You can intercept their calls, and decrypt them if you're close | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | th3hate, or it could be that flash 10 is larger than 9 | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | something I'd expect tbh | 15:32 |
| th3hate | could be | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/researcher-show-gsm-intercept-attack-defcon-072610 - intercepting peoples calls | 15:33 |
| tybollt | ORLY? | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/26/1736253/All-GSM-Phones-Open-To-Attack-Tracking?from=rss tracking GSM phones globaly | 15:33 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: Hmm some of those were known - yes? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, are you here to waste CPU cycles by forcing Xorg to update the screen with what you say? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 15:34 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: it's not exactly decrypting | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | s | 15:34 |
| kerio | it's a man in the middle attack | 15:34 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I'm just paranoid on these things. But if you read stuff like this: http://www.zdnet.de/sicherheits_analysen_ghostnet_bedroht_regierungen_webcam_und_mikro_als_wanze_story-39001544-41003348-1.htm you have to become paranoid. | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | oops | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: obviously all of those were known | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/354124/new_kraken_gsm-cracking_software_released/ decrypting calls | 15:34 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: uhuh. | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: I was meaning seperate attacks | 15:34 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I mean isn't defcon shitz about presenting new attacks? | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Completely neglecting the fact that tehre is no encryption at all once it hits the cellular companies network | 15:35 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: I'd actually throw the question back at you :) | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, zing | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: that doesn't mean the attack wasn't known of before. Maybe just somebody found a way to *implement* it | 15:35 |
| tybollt | heh fair enough | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | th3hate, maemo's flash is 6.4, android's is 8.x, not that big of a diff | 15:37 |
| th3hate | Anyone noticed sound is much louder and clearer in nitdroid than maemo? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: the A5/1 rainbow tables forex are completely useless for authorities as they use IMSI catcher or simply go via official standard eavesdropping gateway at provider's PBX | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | th3hate: sound from what? | 15:37 |
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| th3hate | Mediaplayer, games .. everything | 15:37 |
| th3hate | i think maemo sound drivers are crappy | 15:37 |
| th3hate | is it possible to replace them? | 15:38 |
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| MohammadAG | sound 'drivers'? | 15:38 |
| th3hate | yep | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | well | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | IMSI catcher is a MITM. Officail tapping is a standard worldwide now, on GSM and I'd call it "man in control" | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | I don't think it's drivers | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | LEDs are brighter in ubuntu, could be something limiting voltage? | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh?? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | check /sys/*/*/current | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: That is because on Maemo there is a limiter actually preventing damage to your speakers. | 15:40 |
| th3hate | MohammadAG: try asphalt 5 on nitdroid, sound is almost as loud as nokia 5800 | 15:40 |
| th3hate | and very clear | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: Full power output to the speakers will blow them up. | 15:40 |
| kerio | fuck yeah | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | that would be interesting | 15:40 |
| kerio | n900nuke! | 15:40 |
| kerio | a remote blow up | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: n900nuke (c) DocScrutinizer | 15:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: ._. | 15:41 |
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| matthew- | Hey guys | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, /sys/kernel/debug/pm_debug/registers/current? | 15:41 |
| matthew- | anyone tried using the N900 to capture video straight onto my laptop ? | 15:41 |
| matthew- | well, my -> his/hers; laptop -> computer | 15:42 |
| matthew- | :) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *led* fool! | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | lolk | 15:42 |
| kerio | keep spamming .5s flashes every .6 seconds, blow up speakers, overclock the cpu, keep flashing everything | 15:42 |
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| alterego | matthew-: I had it streaming H264 to my laptop a while ago uising gstreamer | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: shutdown was at ~3.2V iirc, at least bq27200 nicely registered at least the 7% threshold | 15:44 |
| alterego | over RTP | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: with? | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: was trying all kinda weird things to deplete battery further - no avail | 15:44 |
| th3hate | X-Fade: I wanna try the speakers at their full power, any idea how to :P? | 15:44 |
| alterego | 2 | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | with? PR1.2 bme | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: Open device, get soldering iron and hook up to your 1000W stereo set? | 15:45 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: right that's the pint innit? Why eavesdrop on the wireless when the govt has the means to pwn you at the PBX-level | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: bme always kills it right on the learn threshold for me - apart form maybe 1/50 discharges | 15:45 |
| th3hate | X-fade, lmao i mean edit the sound driver or something | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get source kernel | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | Use plain alsa or dsp IIRC. | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I might even assume it kills system *on seeing* that 7% flag from bq27200 | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: And make sure you play low frequencies, that will kill them nicely. | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try to access the log file | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | th3hate, tape it | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | then up to youtube | 15:47 |
| th3hate | X-Fade: does warranity cover that kind of damage? | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: Of course not. | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | no, I'm afraid brains don't come with a warranty | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 233942 Jul 28 06:13 bqlog-fullcycle.txt | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | And as this channel is logged, you're probably out of luck. | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# tail bqlog-fullcycle.txt | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.reporting.last_full = 1222 (0x4c6) (int) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.reporting.unit = 'mAh' (string) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.type = 'pda' (string) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.voltage.current = 3216 (0xc90) (int) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.voltage.design = 4200 (0x1068) (int) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery.voltage.unit = 'mV' (string) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | info.capabilities = {'battery'} (string list) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | info.category = 'battery' (string) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 06:13 3150 7 6 -839 117 107 107 65535 8 46 1 | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 06:13 3187 6 6 -754 116 106 106 65535 8 46 1 | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | don't make me use quiet on you, doc :P | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: perhaps | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | please, let me | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | back | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | Well in default setup you don't get to 7% with bq27200, it reaches 3200mV at about 43% ;-) | 15:51 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: crashanddie is waspy today | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | Or atleast on my N900 bq27200 came with ILMD of ~2000.. run just "./bq27200.sh" to get the ILMD from eeprom on yours | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: right | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 06:12 3230 43 42 -777 883 865 865 65535 67 46 0 | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 06:12 3238 7 7 -671 127 127 127 65535 11 46 1 | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | ah, right :P | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, got the .so? | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | bme threshold for me is higher than 3230 though.. :P | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: in progress | 15:53 |
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| th3hate | jacekowski: is that a lot of work, or something you can finish today? | 15:54 |
| jacekowski | depends | 15:54 |
| jacekowski | porting something to different platform takes sometimes lot of time | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 15:55 |
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| MohammadAG | rushing things = the mother of all fuck ups | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | http://gynvael.coldwind.pl/?id=279 | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | sfw? | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | that's nice article | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw it gave me nice TTFF of <~10s indoors! just for starting gpsjinni to pump up to 800mA | 15:55 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | other measures taken: while true; do :; done | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | current in maemo is 2 | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and taking video | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | current in ubuntu is 50 | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | says a lot | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50 will burn your LEDs I think | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are most probably specd at 10 | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | as far as i remember that chip has current limiter | 15:57 |
| Lantizia | can anyone remember that good maps program (with voice) for n900? | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | sygic | 15:57 |
| Lantizia | jacekowski, is that out now? | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (current limited source) that's what we talk about | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's a bit worrying | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | "a bit" is euphemism | 15:58 |
| jacekowski | so we are not talking about flash LEDs? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | no, RGB one | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | they stole parts of my (c)ed n900nuke code :-(( | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | the lp5523 | 15:59 |
| alschroe | Hi is there a way to turn the red light while taking a video off ? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also cjeck kbd led current!! | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | I think the biggest issue is the cooling.. In order to push LEDs at 50mA+ in flashlights they went from plastic boadies to metal bodies in order to provide adequate heatsinking.. And even then it's not enough if the light isn't designed right, maglite drop-in LED conversions have built in thermal throttle beacuse there's no good thermal path to the metal case.. Old incandescent lightbulbs didn't care, they could run very hot | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | But a LED tolerates slightly less heat than a CPU does :P | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, same, 50 | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a 3color though, 50mA may be waaay too much | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it's a bit blinding | 16:00 |
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| MohammadAG | at 255 | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | also for those micro buggers lighting the kbd | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll deteriorate the chip | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | STOP IT, NOW! | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | I only had it on for 1s... | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | anyways | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so maybe only half the chip gone up in smoke | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | what's the kernel module for sound | 16:02 |
| divan | one more question - how to add 'Homepage' field for application(as seen in maemo packages site)? I see how to add Bugtracker field(Xsbc-Bugtracker) but cannot find how to add Homepage. | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alsa? | 16:02 |
| chem|st | alsa is not a sound module... | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: the alsa card drivers are | 16:03 |
| chem|st | but they dont even have alsa in their name do they? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are even the nly audio card drivers out there, basically | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody is using them | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | so what's the module? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | check lsmod | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll prolly find it there | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not on maemo | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, actually no | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | monolitic | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka compiled in | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | hmnm | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | sound isn't working on ubuntu | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | as they have the snd_* not compiled in to kernel :-P | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | same kernel as maemo | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | most probably also missing all the nasty weird PA framework specially tailored to meet N900 needs | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | PA's there | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>...specially tailored to meet N900 needs | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | policy enforcer, dunno what shit | 16:09 |
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| MohammadAG | battery went off | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | kinky | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | (PA) look at that: http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf then see if you can find similar thing on ubuntu :-P | 16:11 |
| alschroe | Hi is there a way to turn the red light while taking a video off ? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | also should give you a clue where to look for modules | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | alschroe: yes | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | alschroe: From memory, live-focus will do that | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lfocus | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | or rip it off the whole board | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | a really crappy clumsy app, but will do its job | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suggest black sticky tape - less invasive | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on a sidenode: I charged the phone for ~6h via 3V stabilized + CA-146C, seems bat recovered sufficiently to boot flawlessly | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | battery.charge_level.percentage = 46 (0x2e) (int) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSOC: 33 % RSOC: 33 % | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NAC: 585 mAh CACD: 585 mAh CACT: 585 mAh Reported Battery Voltage: 3739 mV | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | where that nand is physicaly | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | is it ON omap? | 16:17 |
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| tybollt | jacek: did it work? | 16:21 |
| tybollt | flashmoduile | 16:21 |
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| jacekowski | not so fast | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | it's not something that can be done in monites | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | minutes | 16:25 |
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| * tybollt prods jacek ;) | 16:25 | |
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| ShadowJK | 3g ups power consumption pretty dramatically for me | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, is on POP | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | so where is ram | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | on 2g with xchat it's 30-60mA.. 3g and it's 250-350 pretty much constantly | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | because it looks like there is only one chip on cpu | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | i think it's combined nand+ram chip? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that bit of NAND prolly is in base SoC | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe what ShadowJK said | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMAP35x Silicon Tech Ref Manual | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | will tell ya | 16:35 |
| E0x | ShadowJK: yep , i try every time stay in 3g but is not posible | 16:36 |
| E0x | consume a lot | 16:36 |
| * ShadowJK stays at 2g most of the time | 16:36 | |
| E0x | me to | 16:36 |
| * Corsac stays at 3g with data off | 16:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yesterday night when I tried to run down battery quickly, switching back from 2G to 3G didn't 'help'. Even ping 8.8.8.8 didn't help | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe 50mA diff | 16:37 |
| E0x | i am alway connected | 16:37 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: web surf | 16:37 |
| E0x | in 3g | 16:37 |
| E0x | drain it fast | 16:37 |
| ShadowJK | try ping -s 1000, you need to trigger upgrade to 3.5g | 16:37 |
| E0x | ShadowJK: exactly | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | did that | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | though -s nnnn not supported by MESSYBOX | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | -f isn't at least | 16:38 |
| E0x | im connected and web surf drain power like will not tomorrow | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well it was at 3.5 all the time | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I have good signal here, obviously | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: yep. noticed that as well | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but was not eager to surf just for draining battery, while watching TV :-P | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | atleast beagleboard has nand and memory in same pop | 16:40 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: a youtube playlist will do the work | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | -s is supported | 16:40 |
| E0x | :P | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E0x: yep, NOW you tell me :-P | 16:40 |
| E0x | hahah | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, is there a new pastebinit that actually *works* ? | 16:41 |
| E0x | pastebin.com ? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pastebin.com: command not found | 16:42 |
| E0x | ^_^ | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat foo | patebinit - | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | gives me the basic URL of the service lately, not any link to actual pastebin I just upped | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all the pastebin services changed their API it seems | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so need a new pastebinit binary to deal with that | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for asking here, lil OT | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | *yawn* | 16:45 |
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| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: useless use of cat! | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know, but makes it more obvious | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pastebinit foouto wouldn't give a real clue about what I'm talking ab | 16:47 |
| mc_teo` | docscrutinizer: do use a binary? i thought they released it as a python script | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | pastebinit foo wouldn't give a real clue about what I'm talking about | 16:47 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: pastebinit - < foo | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe py script, maybe even other nasty scripting lang | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | *yawn* | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search on N900 seems unable to locate it | 16:49 |
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| mc_teo` | http://www.stgraber.org/download/projects/pastebin/pastebinit-0.11.tar.gz | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, think that's the non-working version I got on laptop | 16:49 |
| mc_teo` | i had the same problem with this version too | 16:49 |
| mc_teo` | so i use lodgeit.py now | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup pastebinit v0.11 | 16:50 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: pastebiinit from debian unstable work | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas RPM based distro here | 16:51 |
| mrmoku | DocScrutinizer: hmm... nopaste still works | 16:51 |
| E0x | pastebinit v1.1 | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm somewhat sure I had a working pastebinit on N900 some months ago. Can't find it now | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nopaste? | 16:53 |
| mrmoku | http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-Nopaste/ | 16:53 |
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| drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: wgetpaste? | 16:55 |
| drizztbsd | only depends on bash and wget | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MANIFEST, META.yaml, Makefile.PL?? WTF? | 16:56 |
| mrmoku | but works ;) | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but HOW? | 16:56 |
| mrmoku | some perl modules and a commandline thing | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't there some yum install nopaste? | 16:57 |
| drizztbsd | yum? on maemo? | 16:57 |
| mrmoku | for Fedora yes... guess you're using the other one? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no on maemo I'd prefer apt-get, honestly | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | local distro | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 16:58 |
| mrmoku | hehe... that is long ago ;) | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, HQ still some 3000m away | 16:59 |
| mrmoku | ahh... you could take a walk and ask them then :-) | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or kick asses | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | when all the KDE4 devel have a meeting there :-D | 17:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders about other keystrings for apt-cache search | 17:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | on maemo | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll never get that nice battery drain log that way, gents and gals XP | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EHLO GAN900 | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, so, any idea what limits currents? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | clearly it's not the chip | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | programmable? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | kernel's the same | 17:06 |
| t_s_o | to order a archos, or not to order an archos, that is the question... | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | what limits what currents? | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | led currents | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: which LED currnets? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | led_current is 2 in maemo, 50 in ubuntu | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | lp5523(?) | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | th RGB and kb leds | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it's not the chip limiting currents | 17:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would not assume that brighter than the maemo settings is safe | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck pastebins - http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/N900-h-e-n/bqlog-fullcycle.txt | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: of course it's the chip | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | the chip limits the currents, yes. What else might? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | well why is it 2 in maemo and 50 in ubuntu | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because buntkuh is BS? | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, not good enough | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: ??? | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Settings in ubuntu may not be correct. | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Why does this surprise you? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it has to be even worse than BS to screw the LP5523.c driver for N900 | 17:10 |
| GAN900 | Hi, DocScrutinizer. | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | settings for what, it's the same kernel, and the same kernel modules | 17:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | mce does stuff to LED settings | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | unless mce controls current, I don't see what's different | 17:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | where are you setting current or seeing the different values | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | mce or bme or ... may in fact be setting the driver up differently. | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ubuntu needs to match this. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | If the LEDs are brighter than normal, this could in principle be a hardware damaging bug. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | At least, it will drain battery | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | 781 led->led_current = LP5523_DEFAULT_CURRENT; | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 87 #define LP5523_DEFAULT_CURRENT 50 /* microAmps */ | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/leds/leds-lp5523.c | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | 255*50 is a sane current for LEDs - 12.7mA | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it's the same kernel module... | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | copied from maemo | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (hardware damaging bug) you bet. Those 3color LEDs aren't spec'd for 50milliAmps | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's not how LP5523 works | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the current setting programs a constant current source, which then is PWM by brightness | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so currect(avrg)=current(cfg)*brightness/255 | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway 87 #define LP5523_DEFAULT_CURRENT 50 /* microAmps */ <<<<MICRO Amps | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O??? | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see where's the 2mA on maemo from | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe mce | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | see? | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's what i was asking about | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh well, will edit the module and set it to 2 | 17:20 |
| ech0Asus | sup everyone | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I aswered with precise quotes from driver source | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway - if ubuntu is makign the LEDs brighter, somethings screwy with ubuntu | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | or missing | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | in this case, mce | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce missing | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so simple | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 236 for (i = 0; i < chip->num_leds; i++) | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 237 lp5523_write(client, | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 238 LP5523_REG_LED_CURRENT_BASE + chip->leds[i].led_nr, | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 239 chip->leds[i].led_current); | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | check datasheet of LP552x for actual unit of that register | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | driver might be buggy on assuming it's microamps | 17:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | k, laptop up in car | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | awkward, but less time wasting | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CURRENT | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | D1 output current control register. Default 17.5 | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mA (typ.) | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 26 | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | D1 CURRENT | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | CONTROL | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | [7:0] | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | R/W | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10101111 | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 0b10101111 = 17.5mA | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | k, compiled it w/ 2mA as default | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | which means 0xAF = 175 == 17.5mA | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 50 as in #define LP5523_DEFAULT_CURRENT 50 should result in 5mA, which sounds about right | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously the /* microamps */ bit is BS though | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should read /* units of 0.1mA */ | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh, coders | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 17:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | can i tether over usb? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | not as a modem | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | like with ssh, or sth | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | nvm, i'll use joikuspot and turn off all hoggy processes | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you got that? with the current units? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the value you got in buntkuh? 50? | 17:35 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: how is joiku better than the stuff in the repos? | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, idk, the stuff in the repos wasn't in the repos when i got it | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I didn't reboot, road trip | 17:36 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: fair point ; | 17:36 |
| tybollt | ;) | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: eh? you're not supposed to reboot. You just need to understand that 50 in current means 5mA | 17:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm in maemo, I can't check the value in ubuntu | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | unless I kill mce, bme | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | and load the modded module | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is an absolutely sane and reasonable default for RGB LED | 17:38 |
| cehteh | has apple announced the "iPad nano" yet? :) | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw LP5523 can't go higher than 25.5mA per LED - for obvious reasons :-P | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | it'd implode? | 17:39 |
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| MohammadAG | cehteh, yeah, a rebranded iPod | 17:39 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: hey i hoped for high power rgb leds ... usually only driven at 10% or so for normal notifications .. but in some cases flashing really bright would be cool | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: TROLL! it's max of 8bit unsigned, for a unit of 0.1mA | 17:40 |
| cehteh | (and hey there is a light sensor too .. damn closed source blobs controling all that crap) | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | screen readability in the sun sucks ****s | 17:42 |
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| cehteh | MohammadAG: i am waiting for a white theme, high contrast theme | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, I was referring to my laptop, the N900's screen is k in sunlight :) | 17:46 |
| cehteh | and not grey with a lot gradient .. really white background | 17:46 |
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| MohammadAG | just turn off the leds | 17:46 |
| cehteh | its ok but not really great | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: for f in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:*/led_curr*; do ls -l $f; cat $f; done | 17:46 |
| cehteh | my laptop is good readable in sunlight too | 17:46 |
| cehteh | (ok not good, but one can use it) | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: for (but in some cases flashing really bright) I recommend to set this values for r, g, and b to 100 | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | your laptop isn't a crappy LG that's a 2004 model | 17:47 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: huh why? | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | I should've bought a laptop instead of two desktops | 17:47 |
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| * cehteh used 255 | 17:47 | |
| MohammadAG | o/ crashanddie | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: for all I seen from specs of SMT LED like the RGB indicator, I'd assume they are specified at a ABS MAX continuous current of 10mA | 17:48 |
| cehteh | my normal pattern goes between 1 and 9 .. just dark glowing | 17:49 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i suspect that they are throttled with a resistor or whatever | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nah, that's the CURRENT programmed to the constant current source of LP5523 | 17:49 |
| cehteh | doesnt look to me that 255 is too bright | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm NOT talking about brightness | 17:50 |
| cehteh | no way to throttle it with some external resistor? | 17:50 |
| cehteh | i somehow dont believe that you can blow the rgb led with bad patterns | 17:50 |
| luke-jr | gpsd makes me sad | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: please reread my last 5 posts | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | it used to leave the GPS off until some client connected | 17:51 |
| cehteh | yes, i dont believe that :P | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you can NOT set led_current with patterns | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | now it insists the GPS be constant on because that was "too confusing" -.- | 17:51 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | what you set in pattern is the PWM ratio for a given current | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so pattern aka brightness = 255 means current(avrg) = lp5523:*/lled_current (in unit's of 0.1mA) | 17:53 |
| cehteh | ok | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mce obviously is setting max current aka led_current for G and B to 0.2mA, and for R to 0.8mA | 17:54 |
| cehteh | so you can blow the led when reprogramming the current .. nice :P | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like you can blow the flash LEDs by setting torch mode current to 200mA | 17:55 |
| cehteh | btw rgb are here all 0.2ma | 17:55 |
| cehteh | not 0.8 for are | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | here R is 8 | 17:55 |
| cehteh | not 0.8 for red | 17:55 |
| cehteh | interesting | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 4096 Jul 28 15:25 /sys/class/leds/lp5523:r/led_current | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8 | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the kbd are all 50 aka 5mA | 17:56 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:56 |
| cehteh | same here | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b and g are 2, r is 8 | 17:57 |
| cehteh | they where all 2 here before i stared playing | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange | 17:57 |
| cehteh | you think 10 is sane? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | higher current for R actually makes sense | 17:57 |
| cehteh | (you know exactly which led is soldered on the board?) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, nobody except some Nokians know | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | compiz crashed grr | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I'm confident the RGB LED is capable of 10mA at least | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | and 50 | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so setting led_current to 100 should be safe for short flashing really bright | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | for 5 minutes, at least | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: STFU | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can NOT set led to 50mA | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | your 50 means 5mA | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, funny, I remember last week I had the LED on for 5 mins | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | oh, that | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 18:00 |
| cehteh | yes this smd leds are surprisingly capable ... i think i dont know a model which is rated fore less than 10 ma | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's virtually what I said | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so the ubuntu one is safe | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | please read your backscroll | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | cool, I was starting to get worried about the script I made | 18:01 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, on the road, I pinged a lot | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu MohammadAG | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 18:03 |
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| MohammadAG | ~unforget ubuntu | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot offline | 18:03 |
| cehteh | well .. mce resets the current and does funny things .. so no way to configure this i guess | 18:03 |
| cehteh | unless there is some hidden config | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure mce is resetting led_current every 3 seconds | 18:04 |
| cehteh | at least on changing the pattern it resets the currents | 18:05 |
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| cehteh | ls /usr/lib/mce/modules/ ... aha | 18:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ~ping | 18:07 |
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| Corsac | ~pong | 18:08 |
| h4xordood | i think my n900 is bricked any help ? | 18:08 |
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| h4xordood | can i install maemo5 again on phone ? | 18:08 |
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| h4xordood | :( | 18:08 |
| h4xordood | please help | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | h4xordood: Depends on what you did. | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~flashing | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | UGH | 18:09 |
| h4xordood | no no flashing | 18:09 |
| h4xordood | i see nokia screen | 18:09 |
| h4xordood | after that its rebooting | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | hmm, nolo is ok then | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 18:09 |
| h4xordood | :( | 18:09 |
| h4xordood | how ? | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | hmm infobot is gone | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | from memory... flashing is ... http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm the new infobot | 18:10 |
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| h4xordood | its rebooting again and again till i take battery of from n900 | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | ~MohammadAG | 18:10 |
| h4xordood | it gets on | 18:10 |
| h4xordood | and every thiing | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | h4xordood: switch it off | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | h4xordood: and flash it | 18:10 |
| h4xordood | but it reboots everytime | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | hmm.. i heard mohammadag is special | 18:10 |
| h4xordood | okay :) | 18:10 |
| PolarFox | h4xordood: overclocked with smartreflex? :) | 18:10 |
| h4xordood | nah | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | h4xordood: if you drain the battery you won't be able to flash it | 18:11 |
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| h4xordood | ok | 18:12 |
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| h4xordood | first i have maemo5 | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | we don't care | 18:12 |
| h4xordood | i need to download maemo 5 right ? | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | yes | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | latest version | 18:12 |
| h4xordood | from where ? | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | read that page | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | everything is ther | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | if you have question that's not answered there then ask it here | 18:13 |
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| jacekowski | otherwise - stop wasting our time | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, any progress on the lib? | 18:17 |
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| jacekowski | no | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | k | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | i'm backing up porn from my hdd before sending it back | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | cool | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED#Hardware | 18:17 |
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| h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: i banged n900 today ;P | 18:17 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: back into internets? :) | 18:17 |
| h4xordood | i buyed it last week | 18:17 |
| h4xordood | jacekowski: thnx alot . well how much time will it take to load maemo 5 on n900 ? | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | h4xordood: depends | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | h4xordood: @ l33t h@x0rdood l1K3 y0u sH0ud b3 @bl3 t0 f1X 1t? | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | h4xordood: if you read that page - couple minutes | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | h4xordood, 2 mins, or less | 18:17 |
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| jacekowski | h4xordood: if you don't read then probably couple days | 18:17 |
| h4xordood | jacekowski: ha :) | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:17 |
| h4xordood | yeah i know lol | 18:17 |
| h4xordood | X-Fade: may be :) | 18:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | ~nickometer h4xordood | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | h4xordood is 1000% lame | 18:20 |
| crashanddie_ | infobot gone? | 18:20 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, aww gee | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | (yes, I'm this bored) | 18:21 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: :( I thought you reserved those special insults for me? :( | 18:21 |
| crashanddie_ | ~rape kerio | 18:21 |
| * MohammadAG takes kerio .... umm, I'm supposed to do this? | 18:21 | |
| crashanddie_ | aye | 18:21 |
| kerio | hell no | 18:21 |
| * kerio runs | 18:21 | |
| * tybollt holds kerio | 18:22 | |
| crashanddie_ | behind wallmart and makes some grunts and screams | 18:22 |
| kerio | what's the hole near the headphone slot for? | 18:22 |
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| crashanddie_ | kerio: it's to eject the CD if the power is cut | 18:22 |
| kerio | on the n900 | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | kerio, or it's the microphone | 18:22 |
| kerio | ._. | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | ~gimme_all_your_money | 18:22 |
| kerio | ooh | 18:22 |
| kerio | i see | 18:22 |
| tybollt | kerio: that's where you refill the gas - try it! Regular lighter fluid - zippo will do fine! | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | kerio: meet the microphone ;) | 18:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | kerio, or it's the microphone is when calling... on a phone. | 18:24 |
| h4xordood | hey image is that .bin file right ? | 18:24 |
| crashanddie_ | damn, up-fail | 18:24 |
| crashanddie_ | nope, that's the trash | 18:24 |
| h4xordood | eh ? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | ROFL @ crashanddie_ | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | slonopotamus, you wish | 18:25 |
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| crashanddie_ | h4xordood, images are usually JPEG or PNG. Sometimes even gif. | 18:26 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: any idea if the current for the leds can be configured somewhere? .. gconf maybe? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, sorry. mce is closed | 18:26 |
| * luke-jr mutters at Fremantle using a poor IO scheduler | 18:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | afk, bbl | 18:27 |
| BCMM | luke-jr: which one does it use? | 18:27 |
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| crashanddie_ | anyway, I'm off for yet another job interview! Later | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: bragger | 18:27 |
| crashanddie_ | hey, I've always been a bastard... | 18:27 |
| luke-jr | BCMM: dunno, but it doesn't support ionice | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, bye. | 18:27 |
| luke-jr | BCMM: and kills interaction | 18:28 |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: GL HF | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | cya crashanddie_, good luck, you bastard | 18:28 |
| tybollt | (I hope I got my TLA's right there ;) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>do they pay you good for that stuff that you do?<< >>well I can't complain when the checks come thru<< | 18:28 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: we need your input on the neopwn thread @ tmo | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie_ | tybollt, those are TLA's not TLA's! | 18:29 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggesting F.Z. didn't sing about the devil, but maybe about crashanddie_ | 18:29 | |
| tybollt | crashanddie_: :) | 18:29 |
| Corsac | aha exactly what I though | 18:29 |
| BCMM | luke-jr: my n900 is using cfq | 18:29 |
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| * luke-jr wants to ionice trackerd -.- | 18:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | STLA | 18:30 |
| BCMM_ | gah, dodby 'net connection | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | shortened three letter acronym | 18:31 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 18:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you mean S | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 2LA | 18:31 |
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| Corsac | truncated three letter acronym | 18:32 |
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| BCMM_ | luke-jr: shouldn't it be using noop on a device with no seek time? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that 2LA really is a 2LA as it has a digit as 3rd 'letter' | 18:32 |
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| tybollt | docs :-) | 18:33 |
| BCMM_ | also, shouldn't CFQ support ionice? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, TLA is a TLA, ETLA is a ETLA, so 2LA should be a true 2LA | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not a ETLA like in STLA | 18:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer should stop posting BS | 18:36 | |
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| jacekowski | but BS is 2LA | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously :-D | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, how many GBs of porn do you have anyways, you should've finished backing up by now | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's transcoding to super-HD on the fly | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | brb peeps | 18:40 |
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| jacekowski | 16.2 GB (17,417,868,343 bytes) | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | seriously? | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | no | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | that's part of it | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | + i have couple dvd's | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | one with autograph | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | her dvd - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsey_Dawn_McKenzie | 18:45 |
| tybollt | boo she sucks | 18:45 |
| tybollt | (literally :) | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 18:45 |
| jacekowski | it'll be worth a lot of money when she catches aids and dies | 18:46 |
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| E0x | http://wiki.maemo.org/Making_themes <- this guide is valid for maemo 5 ? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug: proximity sensor doesn't get powered down/disabled when triggering even on proximity sensor while dialer app is about to tear down a call | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bug: SIP VoIP settings "advanced" doesn't allow to delete entries for "username", "proxy", on editing | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/even /event / | 18:55 |
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| kerio | lol buying porn | 19:04 |
| lcuk | E0x, hmm not sure, i dont make themes, andrewfblack did most of htat doc by the sounds of it in 2008 and its only had marginal editing in 2009/2010 which to me sounds at least likely that it could still be valid | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | E0x, would it be possible to have a try using its instructions, and if its correct or wrong indicate as such on the wiki (a note in the head saying this is ok for Fremantle is enough if it works) ? | 19:10 |
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| E0x | lcuk: yes look valid , i downloda the theme maker and say fremantle build target | 19:10 |
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| h4xordood | is it necessary that battery should be fully charged ? | 19:17 |
| h4xordood | for flasinh ? | 19:17 |
| h4xordood | flashing | 19:17 |
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| h4xordood | i have an odd problem | 19:18 |
| th3hate | 30% is enough afaik | 19:18 |
| h4xordood | when i turn on n900 it shows nokia logo then vibrates and reboot | 19:18 |
| h4xordood | :( | 19:18 |
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| h4xordood | so i took battery off now its silent | 19:18 |
| th3hate | it's called a reboot loop | 19:19 |
| h4xordood | thats big problem ? | 19:19 |
| th3hate | try to flash latest firmware.. | 19:19 |
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| kerio | need to reflash | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | it's unpleasant | 19:19 |
| th3hate | not really | 19:19 |
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| h4xordood | i am new to maemo | 19:19 |
| alterego | I've still not witnessed one of those :) | 19:19 |
| h4xordood | actually i hacked to much with my n900 ;P | 19:20 |
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| h4xordood | tried installing meego and + mmc card is corrupt | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | h4xordood, what were the last things you did on the n900? | 19:20 |
| alterego | h4xordood: have you reflashed the original kernel? That might be all you need .. | 19:20 |
| h4xordood | sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 19:20 |
| h4xordood | i think i merged partitions | 19:20 |
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| h4xordood | so now bootloader doesnt find root part and it reboots | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | rootfs is not on /dev/mmcblk0 | 19:21 |
| h4xordood | i guess thats what i did | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | rootfs is on the internal 256 MB NAND flash | 19:21 |
| h4xordood | hmm | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | you may have broken /home | 19:21 |
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| h4xordood | i didnt flashed kernal | 19:21 |
| h4xordood | actually while installing meego i flashed | 19:22 |
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| h4xordood | but not with -f option | 19:22 |
| h4xordood | used -l | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | well, if you flash the firmware _and_ the eMMC image, your n900 will be as good as new (and will lose all data you put on it) | 19:22 |
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| mgedmin | I don't know if borking /home and/or /home/user/MyDocs can cause reboot loops, but I wouldn't be surprised | 19:23 |
| h4xordood | i didnt had any data cause its like 5 days now when i buyed it | 19:23 |
| kerio | good | 19:23 |
| h4xordood | being h4xordood i hacked it | 19:23 |
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| h4xordood | :D | 19:23 |
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| th3hate | actually you bricked it :P | 19:23 |
| h4xordood | th3hate: exactly :P | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | we abuse the word 'bricked' here a bit | 19:24 |
| th3hate | well, not total brick | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | it's not really bricking if you can revive it by flashing | 19:24 |
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| h4xordood | but was my first attempt and learning | 19:24 |
| th3hate | what do we say then? killed it? | 19:24 |
| h4xordood | what if phone gets bricked ? | 19:24 |
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| th3hate | you throw it into the garbage | 19:24 |
| h4xordood | and how does phone get bricked ? | 19:24 |
| th3hate | many ways | 19:25 |
| h4xordood | examppple ? | 19:25 |
| h4xordood | so i dont brick it | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | dropping it from a considerable height | 19:25 |
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| h4xordood | ha :D | 19:25 |
| kerio | h4xordood: charge it before flashing | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | putting it in a dishwasher | 19:25 |
| kerio | also install n900fly | 19:25 |
| th3hate | erase the bootloader so device can't boot anymore | 19:25 |
| th3hate | no way to fix that | 19:26 |
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| h4xordood | kerio: i tried charging but it reboots and reboots :( | 19:26 |
| h4xordood | i think i have battery more than 30 % | 19:26 |
| th3hate | dude just flash it, will take like 2 mins | 19:26 |
| kerio | it should be ok | 19:26 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: what was the window of bricking in the flash? | 19:27 |
| h4xordood | SpeedEvil: heya :) | 19:27 |
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| h4xordood | flashing doesnt brick phone ? | 19:27 |
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| th3hate | why would flasher brick phone? | 19:28 |
| h4xordood | i mean like while install or updating bios on computer if u get error | 19:28 |
| h4xordood | bios gets corrupted | 19:28 |
| kerio | h4xordood: it might, if the power drops in a... 2 milliseconds window? | 19:28 |
| h4xordood | ha :D | 19:28 |
| kerio | after that tiny window, it gets usb power back so... | 19:28 |
| h4xordood | last question | 19:29 |
| h4xordood | when i connect usb with phone i see with in 2 sec that kernal written and phone vibrates is that all ? | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | it would brick if you flash a corrupt bootloader | 19:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: have you done anything wierd to it? | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: a few miiseconds | 19:32 |
| h4xordood | may be i deleted some partitions | 19:32 |
| h4xordood | thats all | 19:32 |
| kerio | lol | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | reflash it | 19:32 |
| kerio | meh, you should be fine | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 19:33 |
| kerio | start the flasher, connect usb while holding u, wait | 19:33 |
| h4xordood | wait till ? | 19:33 |
| kerio | till it's finished | 19:33 |
| h4xordood | i mean phone vibrates | 19:33 |
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| kerio | well, you should also flash the eMMC | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Remove the battery | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | plug in the USB cable | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Start the flasher program. | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It will say 'no suitable device found | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | plug in battery | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | wait till flasher completes | 19:34 |
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| Khertan | Hello All ! | 19:35 |
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| h4xordood | i got message CMT flashed successfully | 19:37 |
| kerio | good | 19:37 |
| h4xordood | now i should remvoe battery ? | 19:37 |
| kerio | you probably need to reflash the mmc too | 19:37 |
| h4xordood | why mmc ? | 19:38 |
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| h4xordood | yes yes yes :P got it workin :) | 19:39 |
| h4xordood | thanks alot guys :) | 19:39 |
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| h4xordood | why mmc need to be flashed ? | 19:40 |
| kerio | you partitioned shit | 19:41 |
| kerio | dunno | 19:41 |
| h4xordood | yeah it says low memory | 19:42 |
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| h4xordood | how to flash mmc ? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | charge battery, flash EMMC_VANILLA, flash rootfs | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 19:45 |
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| h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: after flashing nokia boots fine but i see 101 mb available. that means i should download Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900? | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? 101mb? so what you are complaining about? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | df -h / ->101MB is excellent | 19:49 |
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| h4xordood | what is vanilla for ? | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware read that! | 19:52 |
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| h4xordood | i get message operation temporarily disabled due to low memory | 19:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, we need infobot | 20:08 |
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| h4xordood | MohammadAG51: i did flash with indian firmware as i live in india | 20:09 |
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| h4xordood | but i think partitions arent same as it used to be when i buyed it | 20:10 |
| h4xordood | so if i install vanilla would it be like factory reset now ? | 20:10 |
| h4xordood | or i wont be able to get factory reset ? | 20:10 |
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| h4xordood | jreznik: hi :P | 20:12 |
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| jreznik | h4xordood: hi here ;-) | 20:13 |
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| h4xordood | jreznik: just inaugrated hack on n900 and flashed it :P | 20:14 |
| h4xordood | i am on stage to make native install of meego | 20:14 |
| h4xordood | :P | 20:14 |
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| jreznik | h4xordood: really? | 20:14 |
| h4xordood | but little bit feared about meego unstaibility | 20:15 |
| h4xordood | it could brick my phone | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | You can't brick an N900 | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | ever | 20:28 |
| th3hate | you can delete the bootloader | 20:28 |
| * jaska puts some clay around it and puts it in the oven | 20:28 | |
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| h4xordood | k :) | 20:31 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: citation needed | 20:39 |
| kerio | flashing a bad bootloader results in something that has to be sent to nokia to get fixed | 20:39 |
| kerio | doesn't it? | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | if something is written on rom than yes i guess | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | :) | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ubisomething will do it | 20:40 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: awesome | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | thats how meego gets install | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | :P | 20:40 |
| kerio | n900nuke: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ubisomething count=16384; reboot | 20:41 |
| kerio | pardon | 20:41 |
| kerio | n900nuke(c) | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | SpeedEvil: i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ubisomething on newly buyed 16gb microsd | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | and now its corrupt :( | 20:41 |
| kerio | corrupt? | 20:42 |
| kerio | you zeroed it | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | n900 says memory card corrupt | 20:42 |
| kerio | you need to partition it and make a fs | 20:42 |
| kerio | well, duh | 20:42 |
| kerio | :P | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | but computer doesnt read it | 20:42 |
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| h4xordood | so iwas trying to correct microsd from terminal on n900 | 20:42 |
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| h4xordood | and i got into problem on n900 itlesf | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | that was the time may be when i was correcting micro sd i did bad to n900 partition itself | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | kerio: but computer isnt reading that card :( any softawe you know ? | 20:44 |
| kerio | reading what? | 20:44 |
| kerio | :o | 20:44 |
| kerio | there's nothing on it | 20:44 |
| kerio | *duh* | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | the software is called "fdisk" | 20:44 |
| h4xordood | on n900 its sfdisk | 20:44 |
| h4xordood | mgedmin: but computer shows no card | 20:44 |
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| kerio | shows what where now | 20:45 |
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| MarcusM | I've heard something about that we can't create bright themes, If thats true, then how come? | 20:56 |
| pronto | because it might offend the dull people | 20:57 |
| MarcusM | ah i see. that seems fair | 20:57 |
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| sudoj0nes | omg pronto ilu | 20:57 |
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| pronto | o_o | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | BCMM_: what? | 21:05 |
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| th3hate | How can i cd MyDocs/Video clips | 21:08 |
| th3hate | space doesn't work | 21:08 |
| mortini | se \ | 21:08 |
| mortini | use\ | 21:08 |
| mortini | Video\ clips | 21:08 |
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| mortini | or "MyDocs/Video clips" | 21:08 |
| mortini | or cd MyDocs/Video<tab> | 21:08 |
| mortini | err | 21:09 |
| E0x | or use tab | 21:09 |
| E0x | :D | 21:09 |
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| th3hate | none did the trick xD | 21:09 |
| th3hate | tab doesn't auto complete too | 21:10 |
| E0x | Vide Clips exist ? | 21:10 |
| E0x | i think not | 21:10 |
| th3hate | Video clips | 21:11 |
| th3hate | yes | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | MyDocs/.video | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | or .videos | 21:11 |
| E0x | exactly | 21:11 |
| E0x | Video clips don't exist | 21:11 |
| th3hate | ShadowJK: thanks | 21:11 |
| E0x | th3hate: the command: ls | 21:11 |
| E0x | list the directorys | 21:11 |
| E0x | man ls, for more info | 21:12 |
| th3hate | would've been useful if you told me 15 mins ago | 21:12 |
| th3hate | :P | 21:12 |
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| E0x | if you from some point are point directly to a folder i understand by common sense that you already know that point | 21:13 |
| E0x | exist | 21:13 |
| th3hate | Ok inside /.videos there a folder called The Prestige | 21:14 |
| th3hate | terminal wont accept space | 21:14 |
| th3hate | i wanna cd to it | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | quote it | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | or use a backslash | 21:14 |
| E0x | tab | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | tab-completion (a) works, (b) inserts the backslashes appropriately | 21:14 |
| th3hate | finally after 15 mins of trying commands i reached the folder i want | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | call that 15 mins of learning | 21:16 |
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| alterego | reset | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | why are you doing this.. | 21:16 |
| alterego | cwap | 21:16 |
| alterego | :) | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | that's exactly how long it took for me to figure out how to bind pageup/pagedown in zsh command line editor today | 21:16 |
| th3hate | pasuspender -- mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 MyDocs/.videos/The Prestige | 21:16 |
| th3hate | is supposed to play video without pulseaudio = louder | 21:17 |
| teilzeitstudent | Some time ago, the "MyDocs" gets mounted using "rodir", which obviously means I cant change any file. Is there any reason why "rodir" should appear in /etc/fstab? | 21:17 |
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| mgedmin | I've no idea what 'rodir' means; my MyDocs is mounted the same way and I can change files, so it doesn't mean what you thing it means | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | now I know what it means: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=kernel/common.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc209c0064efef5590f608056a48b61a5cac09c | 21:29 |
| RST38h | moo all | 21:30 |
| RST38h | heya mgedmin | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | hi | 21:30 |
| teilzeitstudent | mgedmin, ah.. thanks. Well, in some folders it tells me "read only fileystem" when I try "touch foobar". | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | that folder is read-only | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | chmod +w folder | 21:31 |
| teilzeitstudent | DCIM, for example. ls -l lists r/w/x for the user | 21:31 |
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| teilzeitstudent | and group and everyone else. | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | MyDocs/DCIM is rwxrwxrwx here | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | and touch works inside it | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | maybe your _filesystem_ has been remounted readonly when the kernel detected corruption in it? | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | run dosfsck or something | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | doesn't the n900 file manager have a GUI frontend to dosfsck? | 21:33 |
| teilzeitstudent | Ah my bad.. forgot to remount MyDocs in my previous test; it tells me "Read-only filesystem" in all folders and MyDocs itself. | 21:33 |
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| teilzeitstudent | sec | 21:34 |
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| teilzeitstudent | "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT? First or second FAT". | 21:36 |
| teilzeitstudent | Whatever that means | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | you | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | "you're screwed, and we won't help" | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | that's what it means | 21:37 |
| teilzeitstudent | :< | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | FAT - file allocation table | 21:37 |
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| jacekowski | there are two copies on filesystem | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | which should be exactly same | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | in your case shit happened and these copies differ | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | so you need somebody who can understand fat FAT or program that displays both or something | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | and verify which one is still usable | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | or pick one at random | 21:39 |
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| jacekowski | do you understand? | 21:40 |
| teilzeitstudent | Yea just found a couple of posts. There appear to be some cyclic directory errors or whatever... starts printing stuff like "/Pictures/Pictures/Pictures/somefile.png". | 21:40 |
| teilzeitstudent | And filenames with a lot of "?"s in them. | 21:41 |
| jacekowski | tell it to use second copy then | 21:42 |
| jacekowski | and hope for the best | 21:42 |
| jacekowski | otherwise you'll have to format it | 21:42 |
| jacekowski | well, i would format it anyways after major damage | 21:42 |
| jacekowski | and verify that's not memory card problem | 21:43 |
| teilzeitstudent | And how can I check wether or not its a hardware problem? | 21:44 |
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| teilzeitstudent | something like sdparm for memory cards? | 21:45 |
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| jo-erlend | uh, I have N900 with latest Maemo update. I have activated a SIP account and I can call and receive calls without problems, except that I can only seem to dial numbers I actually dial. That is, I can't call my contacts using SIP. | 21:45 |
| jo-erlend | what am I doing wrong? | 21:45 |
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| technomike | Hey guys, I have lost the "Availability" option on my N900, and I cannot use instant messaging etc, or Skype etc etc. Kind of a wierd problem, and I do not know how this has happened. Any ideas how to get it back? | 21:47 |
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| teilzeitstudent | On the other hand, those "abstracted directory names" in the file browser might have something to do with my problems. In `ls` there used to be no folder called "Pictures"; the filebrowser displayed one though. I created one via console to put some comic strips into. And those folders are beeing complained about in dosfsck. | 21:49 |
| teilzeitstudent | technomike, did you check if your skype account is still there? :P Did you install some 3rd party apps that modify the IM behaviour (like extra protocols, pidgin, facebook-to-IM stuff)? | 21:50 |
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| jacekowski | hmm i just came up with idea | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | buy blank omap | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | without HS shit | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | and resolder it | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | that would probably void warranty | 21:55 |
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| ssvb | jacekowski: are you by chance having problems with nolo bootloader? | 21:57 |
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| ssvb | jacekowski: ok, nevermind, I was just curious whether you did have some practical problem or it was some random blabbering :) | 22:05 |
| technomike | teilzeitstudent - Nope, nothing at all like that | 22:08 |
| technomike | I can't understand why it has just disappeared | 22:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: on the flipside. | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you can buy an 850MHz one | 22:11 |
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| ShadowJK | What's "HS shit"? | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | high security | 22:13 |
| teilzeitstudent | technomike, thanks. dosfsck fixed the problem after a couple of runs. | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | ssvb: my problem is that it can't be changed | 22:15 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 22:15 |
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| teilzeitstudent | Though I do wonder how to get rid of those lame "Pictures", "Audioclips" etc. meta directories. they do not exist as actual directorys but are generated somehow. Does anyone have an idea how to get rid of them? | 22:16 |
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| ssvb | jacekowski: that's the harsh reality | 22:18 |
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| ssvb | jacekowski: fortunately, it should not cause much problems | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | what do you mean, do not exist? | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | ls -A MyDocs | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | there are .documents, .videos etc. | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | Pictures is probably mapped to MyDocs/DCIM | 22:20 |
| ssvb | jacekowski: and even with the non-HS OMAP chips, you are still not able to change ROM anyway, so you probably would not be completely satisfied either | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I'm not root on the box infobot lives in | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, i thought you were the owner | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: so no idea why she is offline, or how to get her online again | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, TimRiker is | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the genuine first of all infobots, the mother ibot | 22:28 |
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| kerio | metadirectories suck | 22:30 |
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| kerio | but nokia appears to like them ._. | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: mwkn *# your courtesy? | 22:38 |
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| h4xordood | did any one tried sfdisk to format 16gb mmc ? | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems sfdisk is the wrong tool to _format_ anything | 22:39 |
| mrmoku | hehe | 22:40 |
| E0x | http://themeegoblog.com/2010/07/27/app-search-widget-makes-launching-apps-from-the-homescreen-a-breeze/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28The+MeeGo+Blog%29 | 22:41 |
| E0x | this is nice | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest mkfs for any formatting purposes | 22:41 |
| h4xordood | what if mmc card is corrupted ? | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hmm? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: without looking at it, it sounds like a lame excuse for a proper subdirectory structure for orting / grouping apps | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: just asking whom to thank for eternal fame once more | 22:43 |
| E0x | even with proper subdirectory structure i think this is more | 22:43 |
| E0x | fast | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mwkn as of 26. | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, which story? It was largely Jaffa's work this issue. | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | *# | 22:43 |
| h4xordood | freemantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh is used for ? | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...the purpose that's in readme comment at start of same file? | 22:44 |
| GAN900 | Oh, Jaffa. | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange enough it didn't really have *any* impact on http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=starhash-enabler&os=Maemo5&repo=extras-testing | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least got me one thumb-up it seems - so thanks to Harald Schmidt unknown for the effort :-) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course thanks to Jaffa | 22:47 |
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| h4xordood | is there any fdisk for maemo ? | 22:49 |
| kerio | fdisk or mkfs? | 22:49 |
| kerio | there's both | 22:49 |
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| h4xordood | i see sfdisk not fdisk | 22:49 |
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| h4xordood | i ask for fdisk | 22:50 |
| kerio | meh, same thing | 22:50 |
| h4xordood | sfdisk is different | 22:50 |
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| ppman | does n810 do packet injection or not? | 22:52 |
| ppman | I'm confused | 22:52 |
| kerio | h4xordood: huh, it's the same | 22:53 |
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| BCMM_ | i'm trying to look at the geotags on my n900 photos | 22:56 |
| BCMM_ | what can i use on the Linux command-line to extract that EXIF tag? | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | exiftool | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install exif | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget what package it's in | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's on my phone | 22:58 |
| BCMM_ | it's ok, it's installed on my desktop already | 22:58 |
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| BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: thanks, that's useful | 23:04 |
| zeltak | hya. slightly off topic but i just bought a used n900 (love it!!). everything seems to work fine apart | 23:04 |
| zeltak | from the fact that there is a slight noise when i shake the n900 | 23:05 |
| zeltak | like theres something loose moving inside it | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: /me suggests cfdisk | 23:05 |
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| zeltak | but everything seems to work well. was wondering if i should just ignore it or should i do something about it? | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | zeltak, hold your finger on the kickstand | 23:06 |
| lcuk | and see if the rattling stops | 23:06 |
| lcuk | alternatively, insice the flap/cover on the MMC might not be clipped in | 23:07 |
| lcuk | inside | 23:07 |
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| h4xordood | cfdisk not installed where can i find ? | 23:08 |
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| zeltak | thx lcuk i did both but the noise is still there..also i think it moves from place to place | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: it's also in the repos I think | 23:09 |
| lcuk | zeltak, take the back cover off and narrow it down | 23:09 |
| h4xordood | extras-devel? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search cfdisk; apt-get install cfdisk | 23:09 |
| zeltak | ok lcuk taking it off now | 23:09 |
| zeltak | ok holding the mmc metal thingi but the noise is still there (seems like its coming from the middle?) | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: there are reported cases where some small plastic latch of the kbd frame broke off and rattled inside the housing | 23:11 |
| zeltak | DocScrutinizer:it is definantly a rattle coming from inside the housing i think | 23:11 |
| zeltak | DocScrutinizer: how serious is it ? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless it blocks your vibra | 23:12 |
| technomike | cool. just installed rdesktop on my n900 and i am on it now. this is really cool. | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it did for MohammadAG51 | 23:12 |
| zeltak | no the phone still vibrates as far as i can tell | 23:12 |
| zeltak | so just live with the annoying sound i guess? | 23:12 |
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| MohammadAG | zeltak, blue noise? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:12 |
| zeltak | MohammadAG: blue noise? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | thought you were talking about the camera, nvm | 23:13 |
| lcuk | no MohammadAG actual noise | 23:13 |
| lcuk | the audible kind | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | my vibra isn't broken atm | 23:13 |
| zeltak | i just got it a few days ago and im loving it so much i cant stand the thought of sending it to nokia for repairs lol | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if the vibra is detected as a led | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the housing is basically open to the overlapping area between lower and upper half. so holding it face down and shaking might eventually make the debris fall out | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if it's 'stronger' in ubuntu | 23:13 |
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| hqkysq | Hi | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | no perverted talk please, thanks | 23:14 |
| hqkysq | Somepone | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: has it led_current? | 23:14 |
| hqkysq | Someone can help | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it has brightness and all | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no it hastn't? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | zeltak, theres numerous accelerometer test programs you could install and try and try to shake out the stuff lol | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it won't have different setting for led_current | 23:14 |
| hqkysq | Does everyone success to install PPA on maemo? | 23:14 |
| zeltak | i see DocScrutinizer ..im not to technicall so i wont trust myself with opeing the n900 :) i can live with the noise if there is no damage | 23:14 |
| lcuk | what is PPA | 23:14 |
| lcuk | in relation to maemo | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | nope, no led_current | 23:15 |
| hqkysq | personal package | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | hqkysq, if its just a standard repository i believe it should be viable | 23:15 |
| lcuk | but i dont know how the PPA is seen at backend | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG | zeltak, being a techy or not does not mean you can/'t ruin your device | 23:15 |
| zeltak | btw DocScrutinizer which keyboard part is it the broke and fell ? | 23:15 |
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| zeltak | yeah MohammadAG i meant bad with tools such as a screwdriver ;-) that does ruin a device lol | 23:16 |
| hqkysq | When I try to install a ppa packet I have this message : /bin/sh : add-apt-repository: not found | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG | add the repo manually then | 23:17 |
| lcuk | hqkysq, then this is part of porting - you need to find the source for add-apt-repository and find a way tomake it installable | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | if you wanted to do it properly :P | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: do NOT try to disassemble the N900! | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | but MohammadAG is right | 23:17 |
| hqkysq | thanks, so I return to my scrachtbox? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | as I said, if it is just a debian repository you can add it from the app manager? | 23:17 |
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| zeltak | DocScrutinizer: i wont..as i said i dont trust myself :) but thx for the warning :) | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | zeltak, his warning comes from personal experience | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | and he's an engineer | 23:18 |
| lcuk | zeltak, you have an analog multitasking musical instrument! | 23:18 |
| lcuk | people told you the N900 was multitasking ;) | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | I wish I could desolder the 256MB ram and assemble 512 | 23:18 |
| zeltak | heheh lcuk good one :) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: just hold the device like small "NOKIIA" on screen is most down facing, then slightly shake and knock gently. Depris might fall out between screen and kbd half | 23:19 |
| Osama | <MohammadAG> what about USB Host Mode ? | 23:19 |
| Osama | it is done ? or not yet ? | 23:19 |
| zeltak | ok DocScrutinizer will try that | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | when it's ready it'll be on the forums | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah MohammadAG - FINISH hostmode!! | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | why does everyone ask _me_? DocScrutinizer knows better, unless you assigned me as a FAQ communicator | 23:21 |
| Osama | aha thanks ; i hope it well be soon | 23:21 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i was thinking about that | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but you can't do it easily | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: you would have to modify nolo | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: as it's nolo that sets up memory map | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, well, first you'll have to get past the hardware problems | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | then you can worry about nolo | 23:23 |
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| jacekowski | like what? | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | soldering? | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | space? | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | desoldering? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, we're back to RAM extension BBQ? Nice :-P | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | memory chips are about the same size | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | bbq? | 23:23 |
| zeltak | btw guys since it is a used phone another issue i may have is battery life..i think i get like 5-6 hours of battery life..is that normal?what kind of battery life do you gusy get? | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | 24h on gsmonly | 23:23 |
| zeltak | gsmonly? | 23:24 |
| zeltak | gsm only..gotcha | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | I have 3 batteries, I need more for one day | 23:24 |
| zeltak | so jacekowski no wifi etc | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | I'm always online with GPS always on | 23:24 |
| zeltak | MohammadAG: u need more then 3 for 1 day?? | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-23.log.html#t2010-07-23T16:44:34 | 23:24 |
| zeltak | wow | 23:24 |
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| zeltak | my old phone was a CRAPPY n97 but at least it had a full day of battery :) | 23:25 |
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| zeltak | coming from n97 to n900 is like switching from win95 to kde 4.5 :) | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: with coninuous data over 3G plus GPS??? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: unlikely | 23:26 |
| zeltak | nah no 3g anf no wifi (most of the time) | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, actually | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | the N97's battery life was epic | 23:26 |
| zeltak | so is it worth getting a fresh batter DocScrutinizer ? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | I kept 3G on all the time at school, and it lasted me a whole day | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | but then again | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no IRC | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | well, that would solve 2 problems | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | CPU is crap, RAM is crap, vibrator made a noise | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | OC and memory | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was on IRC and twitter | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | so it would be possible to mount not HS chip | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | not this server though | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | and more ram | 23:27 |
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| jacekowski | i suppose it would be possible to do it with proper hotair rework station | 23:27 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, done with the backups? | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | started on the lib? | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | do you maybe have older version of flash for droid | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | 9 i mean | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | it never had flash afaik | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | only flash lite 4 | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what? new SoC POP? No problem (well at least compared to->)modifying POP for larger RAM? FORGET IT! | 23:28 |
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| zeltak | btw one of the great things about the n900 is the awesome community..as a long time linux user i truly feel at home :) | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | i once resoldered bga | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | with just normal soldering iron and some stuff | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | electric owen | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: yep, almost as hostile and offending as every community :-P | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | just as proof of concept | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | board never worked again | 23:30 |
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| jacekowski | but there was no visible damage | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | i suppose overheating killed it | 23:30 |
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| GNU\caust1c | hi! my n900 ran out of battery (while deinstalling an app). i have now attached the charger and it keeps turning on and off, showing the nokia logo with the usb symbol. i cannot turn it off, and the charing led isn't on | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | either that, or solder short | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | because i had whole board heated up to ~200C for couple minutes | 23:30 |
| zeltak | DocScrutinizer: good one ;-) | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | GNU\caust1c: switch it off | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | GNU\caust1c: connect charger | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | GNU\caust1c: and wait | 23:31 |
| GNU\caust1c | it said "malfunctioning device, turning off" now, but it didn't do it | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | GNU\caust1c: don't try to boot | 23:31 |
| GNU\caust1c | i cannot switch it off | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | remove battery | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | malfunctioning device? | 23:32 |
| GNU\caust1c | it was a camera app, maybe it tried to deinstall a kernel module :/ | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | that's not from nolo | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | not from nolo-2nd | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove battery, attach WALLcharger, insert battery. If it doesn't show amber indicator, the switch off/remove bat immediately, then prepare for immediate reflash | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then* | 23:33 |
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| GNU\caust1c | after attaching the charger, it got into the reboot loop again | 23:34 |
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| E0x | reflash | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. attach USB to computer, prepare and fire flasher, nsert batery while holding "u" | 23:34 |
| GNU\caust1c | well, the battery isn't charged | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes that's why I say do it NOW | 23:35 |
| E0x | 1000 replys the adobe flash thread :S | 23:35 |
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| GNU\caust1c | okay | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | well, malfunctioning device message is from dsme | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't waste further battery charge on useless endeavour | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | probably | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could *try* and enable R6D | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | r&d | 23:36 |
| GNU\caust1c | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux i guess that one? | 23:36 |
| E0x | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59321 | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | see if that makes bootloop stop | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNU\caust1c: yep | 23:37 |
| GNU\caust1c | what is r&d⇧? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | R&D mode, set by flasher tool | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | Research & Developments | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flasher --help | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5* | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might allow you to get normal boot, charging, and a console to fix things. Or at very least normal reflashing | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah | 23:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 23:38 | |
| GNU\caust1c | --enable-rd-mode i guess? | 23:40 |
| zeltak | so coming back to the batt issues...is there a diagnostic tool to see how much the battery is "dead" compared to a fresh one? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | zeltak, theres plenty of battery monitoring things | 23:41 |
| zeltak | any recommedations? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but the usage/consumption of bettery is usually more tied to how you use it than the battery itself | 23:41 |
| zeltak | yeah i know lcuk ..just wanna see if the battery i got withthe used phone is still in normal condition | 23:42 |
| lcuk | i use batterygraph but barely concern myself with it | 23:42 |
| zeltak | gotcha | 23:42 |
| pronto | theress a maeomo 5 update? o.O | 23:42 |
| GNU\caust1c | http://www.brechpunkt.de/paste/eblzJ6hq.html | 23:42 |
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| GNU\caust1c | the flasher doesn't find the device and it seems to disconnect immediately | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | Do you use IM/VoIP/Skype, do you have facebook widget, twitter widget or any other widgets? | 23:43 |
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| ShadowJK | email of mfe on autoupdate? | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | or* | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: one more weird than the next, those bat monitor thingies | 23:44 |
| GNU\caust1c | crap crap crap, battery seems to be empty now | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get bq27200.sh, make sure RS=30 | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | I think 20 is closer to truth | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNU\caust1c: dead bat and borkes rootfs := you're screwed | 23:46 |
| GNU\caust1c | fantastic | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | (it certainly matches better with charger) | 23:47 |
| magick777 | zeltak: this is wholly unscientific, but Li-ion is expected to lose roughly 20% of its capacity per year, so if you know how old it is you can make inferences | 23:47 |
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| magick777 | if older than a couple years, I'd be surprised if it wouldn't benefit from a new battery | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | and the capacity of a BL-5J ends up as 12xx :) | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: did a calib last night, see link to log I posted some hours ago. Now did a full readout which told me battery last measured=1700, changed 20->30: last measure 1197 | 23:47 |
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| zeltak | thx magick777 for the info | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | magick777, since n900 hasnt been around over 2 years i didnt think it was necessary ;) | 23:48 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, starting value about 2000, max learndown 2000/8 = 250, 2000-250 = 1750 | 23:49 |
| magick777 | fair point :) | 23:49 |
| zeltak | yeah but maybe the guys put in a bl-5j from a old 5800 etc..i dunno im just getting really bad abttery time and i have 3g off and wife off most of the day | 23:49 |
| GNU\caust1c | hmno, battery isnt dead. i'm holding the u key, usb is connected, the flasher is started and i then insert the battery, but the flasher doesnt recognize the telephone | 23:49 |
| lcuk | when do you turn your wife on? | 23:49 |
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| Osama | i advise all to test " contact-zoom and Extended Contacts Search " it very nice add for contact | 23:50 |
| zeltak | lcuk: "your wife" lol..? | 23:50 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, try a few more cycles from VDQ to EDV1 :P | 23:51 |
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| GNU\caust1c | DocScrutinizer: any ideas? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | zeltak, it was you that said "i have 3g off and wife off most of the day" | 23:51 |
| ppman_ | turning the wife on takes a lot of energy? | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | its simple, just reach down | 23:52 |
| lcuk | put hand into pants | 23:52 |
| lcuk | pocket and grab the wallet | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | and scream "Chooo chooo! all aboard!" ? | 23:52 |
| zeltak | ahh didnt see that lcuk heheh ..yeah good thing my wife doesnt use irc ;-) | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | zeltak, ok, how long is battery lasting then? it might actually be worth you grabbing a new one to confirm difference | 23:53 |
| magick777 | zeltak, how bad is "really bad battery time"? | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GNU\caust1c: just the usual, as mentioned on wiki | 23:54 |
| zeltak | hmmm id say 5 hours max? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure you use no hub, use other USB port on PC... | 23:54 |
| magick777 | and that's on standby or with active use? | 23:54 |
| zeltak | i havent testes it from 100 to 0 yet but i think thats about it | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | that's approx what you'd get with constant surfing or moviewatching | 23:55 |
| magick777 | I can pretty much kill a brand new N900 in 4-6 hours of active use | 23:55 |
| zeltak | magick777: mixed..not continous use but i do use it every 10-15 minutes or so for a few minutes | 23:55 |
| lcuk | what apps do you run | 23:55 |
| magick777 | but if that's yer standby time, something's up... | 23:55 |
| lcuk | playing games gps maps etc? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | recompiling kernel | 23:55 |
| zeltak | hmmm some deamons (headphone daemon etc..) the terminal sometimes the broser | 23:56 |
| zeltak | magick777: its definantly not all standby.. | 23:56 |
| magick777 | even voice calls in 3g mode will knacker it, is only rated for 5h of 3g talktime | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-28 22:49:15] <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, starting value about 2000, | 23:57 |
| lcuk | zeltak, flash sites? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeprom data: | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ILMD=1370 EDVF=3000 EDV1=3248 ISLC=13 | 23:57 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, LRN2PASTEBIN :p | 23:57 |
| GNU\caust1c | > If the USB logo does not appear, and the device turns off - ensure the battery is charged by connecting to the wall charger for an hour and try again. | 23:57 |
| zeltak | lcuk: no not at all flash sites | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 2 lines??? | 23:57 |
| * lcuk pasted a 20line log earlier lol | 23:57 | |
| GNU\caust1c | so im screwed because its not charged enough? | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, so what's your LMD now? | 23:58 |
| zeltak | i think ill try to run it down to zero tomorrow after a night charge and time it then ill reoprt back | 23:58 |
| lcuk | zeltak, install the batterygraph or similar app | 23:58 |
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| zeltak | ill will do lcuk | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: huh? LMD? got ILMD, see above | 23:58 |
| lcuk | and then whilst you are using it and whilst idle it will log | 23:58 |
| zeltak | sweet thats good | 23:59 |
| lcuk | its a pretty graph that can help jog your memory about what you were doing | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, Last Measured Discharge | 23:59 |
| lcuk | and if its REALLY draining whilst you are idle can look again etc | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Last Measured Discharge: 1196 mAh | 23:59 |
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