IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-07-27

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ultrasparc-viiimortini: in qtD when I make a layout and then go to Form->view code it's all in C... is there a way to get the layout in python? Wondering how I'm going to use qtD for making pyQt layouts00:30
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marcusAnybody having trouble updating the mana world on n900?00:31
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FireFlyHm00:33
FireFlyIs there any way other than rebooting, to get to the enter pin screen if you didn't enter pin code during the actual startup?00:34
kerio huh... open telephone00:35
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FireFlyOh00:36
FireFlyDidn't think about that :p00:36
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DocScrutinizerFireFly: power button, switch on telephone mode00:36
FireFlyNice00:36
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:38
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DocScrutinizernow is Qt (say a button) implemeted as a *.so, or is it statically linked or compiled in to the ELF?00:41
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logix2does this ovimap suite predownload maps00:57
logix2how the fuck does it come they dont have this for linux when maemo is linux00:58
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MohammadAG51cause linux users are hardcore00:59
* DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG51 a large icecone (strawberry) for man-db-n90000:59
MohammadAG51we use a magnetized pin to find north00:59
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chadino maps for lebanon :(01:00
MohammadAG51or israel01:01
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chadii was reading the forums, and noticed that they switched to new maps01:02
chadilebanon was previously available, but when they upgraded, it's not anymore01:02
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DocScrutinizermandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man1/locate.1.gz ist eine freihängende symbolische Verknüpfung01:03
chadifor now, I am using AGTL01:03
DocScrutinizerdangling symlink01:03
DocScrutinizerplus 100 more01:03
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, ignore the shitload of errors01:03
MohammadAG51warnings*01:03
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DocScrutinizer100? thousands!01:05
DocScrutinizerman locate -> :-)01:05
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MohammadAG51see? :D01:06
DocScrutinizer2>/dev/null ?01:06
MohammadAG51maybe01:07
MohammadAG51but 0=/dev/zero01:07
DocScrutinizer2>/tmp/delete_me_I_am_nonsense.log01:07
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MohammadAG51OMG OMG OMG01:08
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, level pack 2 & 3 in the ovi store01:08
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logix2try cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda01:08
DocScrutinizerAB?01:08
MohammadAG51yeah01:09
MohammadAG51€2 each01:09
DocScrutinizerlogix2: try cat /dev/random >/dev/wetware/neocortex01:10
alterego01:10
MohammadAG51wow01:11
MohammadAG51so each level pack has 3x21 levels?01:12
DocScrutinizerI actually don't get the hype about AB. NumptyPhysix is much more fun01:12
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, ever played it?01:14
* DocScrutinizer stares at blue flashing LED of N900, frowns and mumbles swearwords about stupid new "features" of xchat01:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: I tried some stages of first level. Found it rather boring01:15
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MohammadAG51mine blinks green01:15
DocScrutinizerprobably I'm too different to the standard human being01:15
ieatlintanyone here tried to implement the sharing dialogue api in qt?01:15
MohammadAG51three arms?01:15
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ieatlintam wondering how stupidly impossible it is01:15
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DocScrutinizeronly 3?01:16
Ljrn900...01:16
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SpeedEvilI've ***'d all stages in the first 3*21 stages.01:18
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keriohow do i use the radio chip to scan for a free frequency?01:23
ShadowJKheh01:27
ShadowJKwhich one?01:28
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, i'm continuing where i left it a month ago, stuck on 3-501:28
SpeedEvilkerio: read the page on category:n900 hardware01:28
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Robot101DocScrutinizer: he's on irc here - or e-mail him, marco.barisione@collabora.co.uk - with patches if you wish :D01:53
DocScrutinizerRobot101: yeah I noticed that. Seems to be afk for this week though? I'll mail him I guess01:54
DocScrutinizerthanks01:54
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TermanaN900good morning01:56
Robot101DocScrutinizer: yeah he's at guadec this week01:56
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DocScrutinizer<UTG>morning TermanaN900 </UTG>01:57
DocScrutinizererrr UGT01:58
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: SpeedEvil: how many % of N900 owners are hardcore AB adicts?01:59
DocScrutinizerguess01:59
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DocScrutinizeri.e. how many downloads of level packs will OVI see?02:00
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, 1, the rest will be pirated02:00
DocScrutinizerROTFL02:01
DocScrutinizergasp02:01
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* ShadowJK has on more than one occasion tried to create an ovi account, but has so far not succeeded02:03
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* DocScrutinizer has tried to understand OVI basic concept and failed miserably02:03
MohammadAG51ovi's better on symbian tbh02:03
DocScrutinizeryou bet02:03
MohammadAG51i used it to backup calendar contacts and notes02:04
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DocScrutinizerI hoped to do this with N900... guess everybody is aware of the result by now02:05
ShadowJKWell it's relative.. doing anything at all on symbian is difficult, so when the Image gallery knows how to put it on ovi you rejoice at phone no longer holding your files hostage...02:05
DocScrutinizeryeah, actualy oviu share is the only thing that somewhat works on maemo02:05
MohammadAG51and the ovi store (/me laughs)02:06
DocScrutinizernot for me02:06
DocScrutinizermaybe becuase I was so stupid to visit it with desktop PC02:06
MohammadAG51lol02:06
MohammadAG51building a .sis is much harder than building a deb02:07
DocScrutinizercouldn't find any app to *buy*, even sygic was advertised "FREE"02:07
ShadowJKThey don't have a working "No I'm not looking for apps for my eeepc, show me stuff for <x> instead"-option02:07
ShadowJKor atleast not last time i looked :P02:08
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Justushi02:08
Justusis there something like a sygic support channel?02:08
MohammadAG51not that we know of02:08
DocScrutinizerwas so depressing an experiance last time, I'm not temped to give it a second try anytime soon02:08
JustusI have some questions concerning their mobile maps application before I buy it ;)02:08
Justusok, I'll give it a shot here ;)02:08
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, oh ovo never shows you everything, you get some random subset of what's available, and no "next page" button02:08
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DocScrutinizernice02:09
ShadowJKJustus, I think the version in ovi is 7 day trial02:09
JustusI allready tried that02:09
JustusIs it possible to make the app tell me how far away the next turn is?02:09
DocScrutinizerpick today, never know if you'll find it tomorrow XP02:09
DocScrutinizermight work :-P02:09
JustusIt allways told me to "turn left/right now" even when the turn was a few crossings away02:09
Justussometimes the message was repeated and sometimes not, which lead to some interesting results ^^02:10
MohammadAG51would be lulz if the demo could be purged to be retrialed02:10
DocScrutinizeryou bet it can02:10
Justusso am I stupid or is this really the only way it can announce turns? ^^02:11
ShadowJKThere's a thing in settings, it shows a row of icons representing various areas of the screen. At first I thought you could pick between 4 different predefined layouts, but it's actually allowing you to customize what's displayed02:11
DocScrutinizerexcept if they hold a central database of IMEI02:11
MohammadAG51set up a job in alarmd to purge and reinstall it every 7 days02:11
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, doubt it02:11
DocScrutinizerJustus: sorry, no sygic user here02:12
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DocScrutinizer(== me is no...)02:12
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Justusdang02:12
Justusah well, it was worth a try02:12
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JustusSygic support it is then ;)02:12
DocScrutinizermaybe try in +12h02:12
DocScrutinizerpast midnight in Europe02:13
Justusno need to tell me02:13
Justus<- german ;)02:13
ShadowJKSettings - Advanced settings - next next .. and I have Time of arrival, current speed, distance to destination, signal indicator02:13
JustusShadowJK: I know the cool stuff of the sygic app02:13
Justusthe thing with the "turn now" is the ONLY downside I found02:13
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DocScrutinizercorrect timing of correct guidance speech output is an art02:14
Justuswell, they're not even trying02:14
ShadowJKI think I turned off the antialiasing/smoothing of gps signal in the .ini02:15
DocScrutinizerI know what I'm talking about, was part of the crew odds are has built your builtin car navi as well02:15
ShadowJKit was hopelessly late for me02:15
ShadowJKbut also after some time all the voice prompts get delayed by seconds02:15
ShadowJKlike, desynced with what's going on on the screen02:16
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DocScrutinizerblame friggin PA02:16
ShadowJKyep, and alsa02:16
DocScrutinizerif something odd is going on with audio, chances are it's PA's fault02:17
DocScrutinizersee, on my laptop I get delays of days (! literally) for audio output02:17
DocScrutinizerreal fun, you close a window, in the morning, next day in the night it goes "plop"02:18
ShadowJKsicko02:18
DocScrutinizerabsolutely02:18
DocScrutinizercan't iven think of any story explaining that02:19
DocScrutinizereven*02:19
DocScrutinizerfact is it's PA related, maybe also phonon02:19
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, PA doesnt like that you rag on it, so it plays up for you! :P02:20
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DocScrutinizerobviously02:20
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ShadowJKYeah if I had set my computer to go *plop* at closing window, I'd have hard time coming up with excuses too02:20
DocScrutinizerI'll lock it to the dark cellar for 2 weeks02:20
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JustusI just found the most epic part of sygic mobile maps ^^02:21
Justusit has a country overview, with different rules for allowed speed and so on02:21
Justusthat is pure gold02:21
ShadowJKalso whether you need winter tyres in the winter02:22
ShadowJKand if headlights must be on at all times02:22
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Justushow I hope that there is a solution to this one issue02:23
DocScrutinizer>>All features of the microprocessor are not exploited in the N900.<<02:23
DocScrutinizerewrrm02:23
DocScrutinizeris that GB English?02:23
TermanaN900N900 exploitation!?02:24
Justusit's a little grammar bug I'd guess02:24
TermanaN900you bad people :P02:24
DocScrutinizerfor me it sounds like "all the features are unused in N900"02:24
JustusSet the "not" in the front of this sentence and you have it02:24
Justusno02:24
Justusnot all features are used02:24
DocScrutinizercorrect English for me would be "Not all features of the microprocessor are exploited in the N900<<02:25
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Justusas I said, put the "not" in front and your good02:25
DocScrutinizeryep02:25
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LjLDocScrutinizer: to me, "not all" sounds more natural than "all ... not", but the two mean the same thing02:30
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DocScrutinizerthat's a false friend in semantics for Germans then02:32
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DocScrutinizernot links forward, not backwards02:33
DocScrutinizerall x are (not y)02:33
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DocScrutinizerin German you might have that meaning on a construct like "[some might]..., BUT all are not"02:36
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Justusnope02:37
Justus"Es werden nicht alle Möglichkeiten des Mikroprozessors genutzt"02:37
JustusNot all features of the microprocessor are used"02:38
DocScrutinizeraber alle werden (trotzdem) nicht genutzt02:38
Justusthere's no "but" in the original sentence02:38
DocScrutinizerexactly02:38
Justusyup, so no need for a but on the german sentence ^^02:38
ham5boogabooga02:38
DocScrutinizerthat's why I say false friend02:38
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Justushuh? I still can't see the problem, there is a direct translation without any boobytraps02:39
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DocScrutinizerJustus: I was just explaining there - very rarely - actually are cases where we got same upside down meaning in german. But usually translating that sentence from english will make you think the opposite of what it seems to mean in English. Due to german 'false friend' semantics02:40
Justusyou mean "all but" combinations e.g.?02:41
DocScrutinizernevermind, it's fixed in wiki since an hour02:41
Justusuhm, ok, allthough you left me more confused than I was before ^^02:42
DocScrutinizerI guess that's a local dialect of Scotland ;-)02:45
DocScrutinizerhuh SpeedEvil ? XD02:45
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mc_teocan some one have a look at this process list02:47
mc_teohttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/24203402:47
SpeedEvilsorry - where02:47
DocScrutinizerto do what?02:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: lol02:47
mc_teomy n900 is laggy, so is there any memory whore among this list02:47
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_CPU02:47
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: hmm - it is ambigous.02:48
DocScrutinizeryep02:48
DocScrutinizerexactly02:48
SpeedEvilI think I meant 'Some features'02:48
DocScrutinizersome of the features are not exploited02:48
mc_teolike surely there shouldnt be like 10 skyhost processes running?02:49
DocScrutinizerskyhost? WTF02:49
DocScrutinizerkillall -9 skyhost02:49
mc_teothats what i thought02:49
mc_teoare you sure?02:49
mc_teowhats it for?02:50
DocScrutinizernever heard of02:50
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: for your reference: http://paste.debian.net/81480/02:52
DocScrutinizerwtf is sapwood-server??02:53
ham5lmfgtfy02:54
DocScrutinizeryesyesyes02:54
DocScrutinizer*yawn*02:54
mc_teoDocScrutinizer: it wont die02:54
DocScrutinizerrather kill it and see what's going to stall02:54
mc_teojust says it cant be killed02:55
ham5Sapwood is a pixbuf-based 'theme' that allows you to configure the look of. GTK-using programs. .02:55
DocScrutinizerburrrp02:55
DocScrutinizerthanks02:55
mc_teoand then the pids are changed02:55
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DocScrutinizeryou got a friggin sky virus02:55
DocScrutinizer:-P02:56
DocScrutinizerI know skyhook wireless - they do the location shit for apple02:56
DocScrutinizerbut skyhost, no idea02:56
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DocScrutinizerjoghurt sport? maemohotspot?02:58
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logix2beat the fucking chess on n90002:59
logix2i cant do it on easy either02:59
mc_teoDocScrutinizer: googles first result was a talk.maemo page02:59
DocScrutinizerhttp://merusers.de/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=31&start=1003:00
mc_teoit has something to do with skype03:00
DocScrutinizerblargh, skype03:00
DocScrutinizerisn't it interesting that it appears in a thread about short battry life? :-P03:01
DocScrutinizerrunning skype on a mobile device is daft03:01
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DocScrutinizerskype - by definition - is a peer to peer network for VoIP. It - also by definition - is consequently designed to exploit *your* hardware, cpu time, bandwidth, and battery, for forwarding data between other people you don't have any relation to03:04
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DocScrutinizeryou'd be better off running a filesharing server on your N90003:05
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mvahi there03:06
DocScrutinizerat least you are ure then the people using your resources are doing that because they want and they know what they do, and maybe even say thanks to you03:06
mc_teoi turned off my skype account, and they all disappeared03:07
logix2running skype on n900 with wireless conn is just another not understandable conversation where u can hardly pickup couple of words and still without video03:07
mvadoes amybody plays in Abuse?03:07
logix2guess i would go even further from the ap it would suck even more03:07
logix2sheet is only good for chat03:07
logix2even on msn i miss out parts of the conversation lulz03:07
mc_teologix2: i had a full 18 minute call today03:07
DocScrutinizer51use xchat, noob!03:08
mc_teoonly went funny for a minutek but that was his side03:08
DocScrutinizer51(sent from N900 xchat)03:08
prontoxchat on my n900 crashes anymore when i try to connecto my znc ;_;03:09
DocScrutinizerand also SIP works great, and is integrated into dialer et al framework03:09
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer51 is ZNC bouncer03:10
DocScrutinizerno issues with xchat, but ZNC recently segfaults03:10
mc_teoim using n900 atm03:10
mc_teoand i use Rizons ZNC bouncer on there whole time03:11
mc_teoand never had any problem with it03:11
DocScrutinizerwell I guess it won't segfault any more, as I run it under strace now. Using Murphy to fix things03:14
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logix2and u had ur phone on wireless?03:21
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logix2mine is like from 2m from the ap03:21
logix2skype still crap03:21
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logix2just calling skype users not to mention using their skype out03:22
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GAN900timeless_mbp, ping?03:24
DocScrutinizer51GAN900: moo03:24
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, hey-ho.03:24
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ech0Asussup04:00
mortininyet.04:00
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* DocScrutinizer wonders what a crap that gaia TWL4030 chip must be, so Nokia decided not to use the PHY for USB, the audio amplifiers, the battery charging, SmartReflex (as for switching the regulators)...04:02
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DocScrutinizeror is it cargo cult EE? Seen that on 'other devices' :-P where they added a mono amp for absolutely nothing, just because they didn't realize it's not needed anymore when switching from stereo in the predecessor device to mono in gta02. Wolfson codec 8753 had a even better amp builtin04:05
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ds3GAIA?04:10
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ech0Asusit didn't happen like that04:18
ech0Asusyou know damn well what i'm talking about mr.. dude!04:18
ech0Asusthats right.. take the silent position..04:20
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DrGeekg'day all04:30
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DrGeekI have an n900 and I cannot type to X applications in a debian chroot.  Any idea what might cause this?04:50
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Paulyhey any1 use fcamera?05:00
Paulyim using gimp with ubuntu  and cant open the Adobe DNG raw images?05:01
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ham5on the same xserver drgeek?05:10
DrGeekham5, yeah.05:11
DrGeekham5, the same one that comes with the maemo install05:11
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DrGeekham5, xev reports no keypress/releases too05:11
ham5no idea then sorry05:11
ham5thought debian chroot ran its own x05:12
DrGeekhmm, maybe it does?  my chroot is /media/mmc3 and I'm bind-mounting /tmp to /media/mmc3/tmp to re-use the existing X server05:13
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Macerwow05:49
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Macergoing to take this macbook 8 hours to encode a video for the n900 from a hgih def mkv05:49
Maceri'm encoding the 5th element05:49
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Osamahey05:50
Osamaany1 here?05:52
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Osamanokia called some stupid camera app "exciting news"??? LOLZ05:53
ham5omweather or foreca05:53
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Osamawhats next for maemo?05:53
asjOsama: you refereing to fcamera?05:53
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Osamayes fcamera05:53
Osamalolz05:54
asjOsama: try it, it's pretty damn cool05:54
Osamasounfs gimmicky05:54
Osamasounds05:54
asjOsama: it's anything but, more of an engineering project looking for a better ui05:55
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Osamathats the problem with linux.... buncha geeks running around showing windowz 95 on their phones...lolz....who cares???05:58
ham5?05:58
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asjOsama: so if it's gimmicky you bitch, if it's too techy you bitch, do you have anything to contribute?05:58
Osamachill buddy05:59
Osamadidnt know expressing an opinion was a criminal offence lolz06:00
ham5go rant some where else osama06:00
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MacerSpeedEvil1: haha06:01
MacerSpeedEvil1: best character is zorg :) he is my hero06:02
lpotterwhat does fcam have to do with windows95 running on a linux phone?06:02
Macerjean baptiste emanuelle zorg06:02
Osamalpotter: i was just trying to say that all this linux talk is full of unpractical shit06:02
Macerexagerated maybe. unpractical not so much.06:03
lpotterwell, climbing Mt Danali is unpractical too06:03
Osamaunfinished or abandoned apps....poorly coded apps....et06:03
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Maceri can understand what you mean by calling a camera app exciting news is odd though... it was like when the iphone had "now with videos" commercials for the newer iphone like they crached the technology :)06:04
OsamaMacer: exactly06:04
Osamaunfortunately mameo can only hope in their dreams to be like apple and android06:05
lpotteri dunno, fcam is more innovative than most apps06:05
MacerOsama: well. i believe it can be on par or better .. well. probably not maemo so much now as meego can be06:06
Osamalpotter: i fail to see fcam innovative... it's gimmick06:06
ham5rant rannnnnnnt06:06
lpotteri guess you did not read the pdf paper on it then06:06
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Osamawhut?06:06
Macerbut apple and google have 2 things going for them... apple and google ;)06:06
lpotterand no, maemo does not want to be like ios or android06:07
Macernokia doesn't seem to know what direction it wants to go with its operating systems06:07
lpotteryes we do06:07
lpotterwhen you have only one phone, you only have one os06:07
Osamalpotter: actually , maemo is dead so it doesnt matter what it wants to be...it's dead. simple, aint it?06:07
Macerlpotter: android runs on multiple phones and platforms though06:07
lpotterMacer: os doesnt matter with Qt06:07
lpotterI am fairly sure maemo isnt dead06:08
Macerlpotter: i suppose that is a valid point but just because it is qt doesn't mean that is all their is to it06:08
Osamalpotter: read the news lately?06:08
lpotternews schmews06:08
Macersome might argue it wouldn't matter with gtk either. which is what maemo was using wasn't it?06:08
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ham5distros come and go06:08
lpotterI also read pigs can fly in some cercumstances06:08
ham5simpley06:08
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OsamaOS does matter.... Qt is secondary06:09
ham5mabey if u knew 2 shits about linux06:09
ham5unix is ios droid uses linux too06:09
Macerandroid uses it as a hal06:09
lpotterya, I dont know about linux06:09
ham5lpotter talkin to osama06:10
lpotterahh ok06:10
Macerother than that i don't think the linux part of it really does much06:10
ham5he wants to rant and hes dum06:10
ham5;)06:10
lpotterandroid is not linux06:10
OsamaLinux may be great but it aint nothing more than os for geeks06:10
Macerlpotter: linux is a kernel ;)06:10
ham5uses a linux kernel..06:10
Macerjust because it doesn't have a gnu base doesn't mean it isn't linux06:10
lpotterno, it uses a fork of linux06:10
OsamaGUYS....who gives a fuck?06:10
lpotterwe do, obviously06:11
asjOsama: we do06:11
ham5LETS RANT OSAMA06:11
Osamaasj: right... the all 4 of you on earth care...LOLZ06:11
Macerbut i am in disagreement with you lpotter as far as only worrying about one phone in regards to the iphone06:11
Macern900 is the only phone thus far running maemo5 and probably the last06:11
OsamaMacer: probably???? its a fucken done deal mate06:12
lpotterbut maemo is not nokia's only phone os06:12
OsamaN900 is as dead as it can be06:12
Macerand android runs across multiple platforms and has taken a farily straightforward development path... for some reason though nokia seems to have pretty much released an OS with a short life and then swapped over to meego with intel06:12
lpotterwow, I am pretty sure my n900 still works fine06:13
Macerlpotter: oh I understand that.. but which OSes does nokia have? maemo/meego and symbian06:13
OsamaLOLZ... right and next year Nokia will come up with yet another OS....called fuckgo06:13
Macerwith meego being for their smartphones and symbian moving over to the lower/middle end phones06:13
asjMacer: s40 and s3006:14
lpotterMacer: symbian^3, s60, s40, maemo, and in the future, meego too06:14
ham5GUYS....who gives a fuck?06:14
lpotterwe do06:14
ham5lol06:14
Osamatoo many damn OS nokia has...LOLZ06:14
ham5they dont have any os06:14
ham5the own ovi... right06:14
Osamaovi is shit too06:14
ham5own that06:15
lpottermy grandma used to say, dont keep all your eggs in one basket06:15
Macerlpotter: i honestly think that maemo is dead.. or at the very least on its way06:15
asjOsama: I don't see andriod running on a $20 throwaway phone in papa new guinea...do you?06:15
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ieatlintlpotter: android is linux -- linux being a kernel, which android uses06:15
Osamaasj: who gives a fuck?06:15
ieatlintwoo, pedantic fight06:15
Macerieatlint: :) haha06:15
lpotterMacer: I dont. but what would I know about maemo06:15
asjOsama: if I lived there, I would :)06:15
ham5as long as they keep putting cocaine in the screens idk06:15
ieatlintandroid is not gnu, etc06:15
Osamaasj: they can have their cheap s40 fones....fuck developing countries06:16
Macerieatlint: heh. well. it isn't. i suppose you can build gnu apps for it.. which would actually be awesome06:16
Macerandroid is a pretty good OS and would be great if it had apt :)06:16
lpotterit's spelled, phones, not fones06:16
Macerwith a gnu based repo for it06:16
Osamalpotter: who gives a fuck about spelling? u a teacher or somethin?06:17
lpottermaybe06:17
ieatlintMacer: yeah, but that would defeat the reasons they chose their sandboxed java system06:17
Macerieatlint: not really. that can still be used for the ui end of it06:17
ieatlintmaemo's lack of sandboxing has a real risk of coming around to bite its ass in the future06:17
Osamawhen is the 1st mego fone comin out?06:18
lpotterOsama: knowledge is power06:18
Macerieatlint: i disagree ;)06:18
Maceri love the fact that maemo has stuff i can use in a term06:18
Macersomething that i always thought was lacking in android06:18
Macerandroid had pico tho.. i can give it that much .. but that was a cyanogen rom06:18
Macerso i suppose it is possible but nobody has taken that path06:19
OsamaMacer: 99.99% of population dont give a flying fuck about terminal06:19
MacerOsama: then they can use winmob ;)06:19
Maceror get an iphone06:19
OsamaMacer: nah.... winmob is shit06:19
ieatlinti could put an app promoted to extras that was not malicious, then push out an update that did things like take all the photos off your phone, or start reporting your geo location to me06:19
Osamamaemo is full of security holes....scary06:19
ieatlintyes, the peer-review is meant to prevent this06:19
Macerieatlint: fair point06:20
ieatlintbut i'm somehow not too trusting that a bunch of other geeks sit around reading other's code06:20
microlithtechnically you could do that with any platform, so long as it's hidden well enough06:20
Macerieatlint: who is to say they're not in on it too ? ;)06:20
Osamahow can an OS thats run by a bunch of pimple faced geeks be taken seriously?06:20
microlithOsama: leave, please06:20
ieatlintmicrolith: typically there's a security system involved -- although you could argue that users will just blindly click through it06:20
Osamahuh?06:21
microlithieatlint: in the same way Apple missed the tethering app they posted on their store?06:21
ieatlintbut you'd get enough going "hey! why does this text editor want to access my gps?" that it could get reported06:21
microlithOsama: you're here to troll, obviously.06:21
ham5called that like an hour ago06:21
lpotterOsama: same way major corporations take linux seriously06:21
ieatlinteh, i was referring more to android.. i'm less familiar with iphone out of wilful/blissful ignorance06:22
Osamamicrolith: everybody that has a different opinion from yours is a troll ?06:22
Macermicrolith: haha. it's nice to have a troll every now and then :) gets everybody all riled up06:22
microlithOsama: if you had a valid point, no. but insulting people for no apparent reason, aside from 4chan level OS hate?06:22
* ieatlint backtraces Osama and calls the cyber police06:23
Macerlpotter: honestly he did have a point in the fact that there are a LOT of abandoned/unfinished apps for linux06:23
lpotterMacer: just like any other os06:23
Macerbut unfortunately i suppose that is the way of the "openness" of it all :)06:23
microlithMacer: but that has no impact on -Linux- itself06:23
Osamalook....im not trying to cause shit06:23
Macerlpotter: oh i understand that.06:23
Osamajust pointing out weaknesses06:23
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microlithOsama: that's not pointing out a weakness, at best it's a strawman. at worst, it's a pointless ad-hominem against a rather large group of people.06:24
lpotterwell, I dont see how having abandonded/unfinished apps is a weakness06:24
Macerlpotter: only if you are one of the people who can't code and really want the app ;)06:24
Osamacan we all agree that maemo is dead?06:24
lpotterjust like having junk car lots is not a weakness06:24
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Macerbad similie06:25
lpotterOsama: no, because maemo is not dead06:25
DocScrutinizercan we all agree we're playing nice in this chan?06:25
ieatlintMacer: just befriend more people who can code06:25
Osamalpotter: do explain06:25
ieatlintand then encourage them (not nag), and provide positive feedback and suggestions06:25
lpotterOsama: ok. maemo is not dead.06:25
Osamalpotter: very deep mate06:26
Macerieatlint: haha. hi... hey.. you want to come over and watch this game with me and some friends and sift through 10,000 lines of code and fix this for me?06:26
lpotterthanks, I try to be06:26
Macerieatlint: don't think that would work out :)06:26
ieatlintwtf app are you using that's 10k lines?06:26
Osamalpotter: but maemo is dead.... read the news06:26
Macerieatlint: just an example06:26
ieatlintand provide some good booze, and we'll talk06:26
lpotterthe "news" does not know06:26
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Macerieatlint: hahahha06:26
Osamalpotter: official nokia peole know06:26
ieatlintyeah, if the news reported maemo was dead, people would just ask wtf maemo was06:26
lpotterthe 'news' also gets excited because ios joined 199506:27
lpotterOsama: I would assume we would know06:27
Osamai was talking to some higher ups at nokia and they said nobody is working on maemo no more...its all mego from now on06:27
ieatlintlpotter: i'm hoping we get some reporter who confuses iphones with the real ios06:27
Macermaemo is like the canadian prime minister.. if he were shot to death it would be in the news for a day or two.. maybe later on too for the funeral and after that the world wouldn't care. if the president of the united states was shot then it would be in the news for months06:27
lpotterOsama: and you think management really knows?06:28
Macer:)06:28
DocScrutinizerOsama: please stop generalizing and stating stereotypes06:28
Osamalpotter: some do...the ones i was talkin to06:28
Macerbut i'm sure people in canada like their PM for the most part06:28
ieatlintlpotter: dude, give it up.. you're talking to a wall06:28
lpotterOsama: riiight06:28
Osamawhy are you guys so mean spirited can i ask?06:28
Osamawhat have i done to yous?06:29
lpotterieatlint: but I miss having troll fights on ./06:29
DocScrutinizerwhy are you so blockheaded?06:29
ieatlintOsama: we're bitter because we're stuck on a dead platform06:29
Macerbut realistically. whether he is trolling or not... i still agree with osama and consider maemo to be on its way out as nokia has honstly pulled most of its support in order to pursue meego with intel & co06:29
ieatlintoh, and we're on irc.. it's implicit that we're angry06:29
microlithOsama: well for one you insulted a lot of people that I work with, if indirectly06:29
Osamamicrolith: not intnetionally06:29
ieatlintif you're on irc, you're either angry, looking for warez/credit card numbers, or idling06:29
* luke-jr is idling.06:30
microlithOsama: you don't call a bunch of developers "pimply faced geeks" unintentionally06:30
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asjieatlint: I beg to differ06:30
Macerluke-jr: haha06:30
ieatlintasj: you sound angry06:30
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luke-jrmicrolith: you clearly haven't read BOFH06:30
Macerieatlint: you forgot sex with the underaged06:30
Osamamicrolith: thats the peception out there mate06:30
lpotterieatlint: oh he is angry. I can see it from here06:30
asjlpotter: ;p~06:30
microlithOsama: maybe amongst the ignorant06:30
DocScrutinizerOsama: go read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 for example. Please come back *after* you did06:31
OsamaDocScrutinizer: i did06:31
luke-jrI'll prepare the stake…06:31
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I'm definitely angry06:31
luke-jrwho wants to get the gasoline?06:31
MacerDocScrutinizer: :) i don't understand why you always post that link as though it is something that says "maemo isn't dead"06:31
ieatlinti'm always angry or drunk06:32
ieatlintat the moment, the former -- perhaps because not the latter06:32
Macerrealistically all it is saying is that apps written in qt for meego are able to be back ported to maemo06:32
* lpotter goes back to work on something for maemo06:32
Osamathere was another question i had....where can i download a crack for the navigation app for n900? can you point me?06:32
microlithOsama: gtfo06:32
luke-jryou want news? positive news?06:33
luke-jrhow about this then:06:33
* Macer drum roll06:33
luke-jrI actually spoke only positively about N900 to someone today06:33
ieatlintmaemo is dead, but meego is not, and meego is aiming to provide backwards compatibility with maemo while maemo is providing forwards-compatibility with meego (qt support)06:33
DocScrutinizerMacer: maemo are 5 chars, or an operating system. Tell me what's the exact meaning of 'dead' for a lifeless object, or stfu06:33
Osamathere used to be a vibrant warez community on symbian....06:33
luke-jrzomg… ovi maps warez plz06:33
lpotteri am _pretty sure_ someone is still working on things for maemo06:34
Osamalpotter: no06:34
lpotterreally06:34
luke-jrlpotter: who?06:34
lpottergofigure06:34
ieatlintlpotter: bugfixes i hope/suspect, but expanding capability... i'd speculate that to be unlikely06:34
MacerDocScrutinizer: you can run a lot of w32 apps in windows 2000.. but does that mean you stick with an OS that was released 10 years ago simply because you can run a game in it? the majority of people wish to have a new OS that exploits the capabilities of their hardware. otherwise the world would have stuck with DOS06:34
lpotterya, well. how would I know06:34
GAN900lpotter, maybe all of 5 people.06:34
lpottermaybe 5 people within 15 meters of me06:35
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Osamanokia fucked up with n90006:35
Macerdead means that maemo will not truly realize the potential of the hardware because the support for it (official support as well as developers crossing the line) is fading06:35
ieatlintMacer: interesting analogy, because anything you wrote for win2k would work fine in win706:35
GAN900Jumping to Nokia's defense with regards to their treatment of N900 users is, perhaps, a bit blinder-induced.06:35
lpotterOsama: care to clarify?06:35
Macerieatlint: but not the other way around for some things ;)06:36
Osamalpotter: they introduce it to the market and 6 months later say "see u later suckers mego is coming"06:36
ieatlintMacer: true, but my point is that developing for maemo is not a dead end, which is the only concern i'd have with a dead os06:36
MacerDocScrutinizer: my definition of a dead OS is an OS that no longer receives official support from the company that released it06:36
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DocScrutinizerwtf support?06:36
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ieatlintOsama: iphone and android are the same way06:37
Macerespecially for a mobile OS06:37
DocScrutinizersupport as in "how do I find which crappy app eats my cpu and bat"?06:37
ieatlintit's the way of mobile computing right now06:37
Osamaieatlint: no....wrong....wrong wrong...not after 5 months06:37
MacerDocScrutinizer: no. support as in "how can we write code to make the gles work smoother"06:38
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: cellmo drivers06:38
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: switch to Offline Mode06:38
DocScrutinizerthis is digital - not a car that needs oil change every 10.00006:38
Osamanokia is laughing right now....got all the suckers to buy n900 and now kaboom06:38
MacerDocScrutinizer: you would think. but an OS finds its refinement with time06:38
DocScrutinizerorly06:38
Macermaemo's refinement from nokia's perspective seems to be meego06:39
luke-jrOsama: if that were true, Nokia wouldn't have sent me one free of charge06:39
lpotterwhat?06:39
luke-jrOsama: so at least I am pretty sure Nokia isn't intentionally trying to screw people here06:39
Osamaluke-jr: lucky u mate06:39
luke-jrand seeing as I'm not alone, I think everyone can rest assured that is true06:39
DocScrutinizerso you bought a device with a OS that doesn't perform up to your expectations, and you claim Nokia is obliged to deliver now for, how long did you say?06:39
* lpotter sends luke-jr a bill on Nokia's boards' behalf06:40
luke-jrlpotter: I wouldn't have bought one, either. :p06:40
Osama1 year minimum06:40
DocScrutinizerMacer: that sounds rather daft06:40
lpotterOsama: and what makes you so sure Nokia isn't officailly supporting meamo still?06:41
MacerDocScrutinizer: the problem is that it met expectations but even more fine tuning and refinement was expected .. new features and innovations that would allow maemo to jump out06:41
luke-jrOsama: one thing I've noticed since buying my N810… is that Nokia never actually seems to advertise anything much for their tablets06:41
Osamalpotter: all nokias resources are into meego now....maemo is a dead horse mate06:41
Macerand nokia wants to do that in the form of meego06:41
luke-jrI thought they claimed Linux, but I don't see that word anywhere either06:41
luke-jrexcept in the community06:41
ham5distro06:41
Macerwhich imho is just trying to follow the android example of creating a multi platform mobile OS06:42
lpotterOsama: really.06:42
Macerthat is successful and gathers hype :)06:42
Osamalpotter: take off the fanboy blinders06:42
lpotterheh06:42
asjOsama: so where do you get your info?06:42
* lpotter is not a blind nokia fanboi06:43
Osamaasj: www.meego.com.... are u living on a deserted island mate?06:43
lpotteryep. its called australia06:43
Macerhahaha06:43
cherifflol06:43
asjlpotter: ouch06:43
DocScrutinizerOsama: either you go read that thread to understand maemo/meego compatibility, and you stop stating that "dead horse" shit, or I start getting angry, and you don't want me getting angry06:43
Maceryeah that was rough06:43
OsamaDocScrutinizer: why be mad?06:44
luke-jrOsama is riding a dead horse.06:44
luke-jr:D06:44
asjlpotter: it's not like it's new zealand...06:44
* microlith doesn't want DocScrutinizer turning big and green...06:44
lpotterasj: or even Gilligans Island06:44
luke-jrJust sit right back and you'll hear a tale…06:44
asjlpotter: how do you know it's not...I was promised a 2 hour boat ride...06:45
lpotterdang it, now I lost all todays code mojo06:45
luke-jrlol06:46
Macerlpotter: it's ok. acceptance is one of the final stages06:46
Macer:)06:46
OsamaDocScutinizer: you talk a big game about all this "compatibility" shit lemme ask you a simple question: it's a known fact that all future meego fones will have multitouch capacitive screens and hence apps will not be backwars compatible. your little compatibility shit is out the window mate.06:46
GAN900Osama, I wouldn't call it a "fact"06:46
lpotterheh06:46
luke-jrOsama: capacitive sucks. we can implement resistive multitouch06:46
Macerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model06:46
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ham5wheres the sms html?06:47
GAN900Nokia seems to be headed that direction themselves, unfortunately06:47
asjOsama: that's like saying you can't use a trackball since it's not a mouse06:47
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ham5THANK YOU06:47
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DocScrutinizernight, fellas06:47
MacerHAHAHAHAH06:47
GAN900But that doesn't precluded other manufacturers from offering something different06:47
GAN900Or Nokia to shift direction06:47
lpotterhmmpf. now what I am gonna do06:47
ham5lol06:47
ham5develop06:47
ham5e06:47
Macerlpotter: yeah. :/06:47
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: what if he returns?06:48
Macerguess i'll go finish this fedora install or something06:48
GAN900Still, once bitten, twice shy, three times still naive and four times just damn tired of the bullshit.06:48
asjlpotter: I got a problem you could fix for me :)06:48
lpotterasj: go ask the Professor06:48
Macerawesome. vbox didn't boot this fedora install06:49
Macermeh. i'll work on it later or something :)06:49
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* GAN900 will just continue to con free devices out of Nokia for as long as possible and move on to a company that doesn't hate him as a customer when the opportunity arises.06:49
microliththat's not a bad plan06:49
yigalopportunist and yet understandably so06:50
lpotterya, nokia hates the n900 users so much.. thats why it released PR1.206:50
GAN900Clearly they're not interested in my money (although apparently they like the thousands of ours I've invested in the platform)06:50
GAN900lpotter, Nokia hates me as a customer.06:50
lpotterbad credit?06:50
GAN900Short, half-assed support, continued drift in both hardware and software away from something I want to own.06:51
GAN900Plus I live in the US.06:51
yigalIt's the idea that an a half OS project doesn't deserve support, it's very funny06:51
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GAN900Clearly there's a problem when droves of your core contributors are burnt out and tired of your platform and your company.06:53
yigalnow Meego will be powering automobile computers, lol06:53
asjGAN900: developers always change06:54
microlithmeego is not nokia, however, though I don't expect you'll see -any- support beyond dealer service for those06:54
lpotterfine. I'll work on meego stuff now then06:54
microlith"I rooted my car!"06:54
yigalI still like the community base of Maemo, however scarred it is from Nokia's (lack of) involvement06:55
lpotterheh06:55
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lpotterya,because nokia is not involved at all06:55
ham5make some pretty good hardware :)06:55
lpottermicrolith: if you only knew what that means in Australian06:56
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microlithlpotter: I'll assume it's vulgar and be happy06:56
GAN900asj, so we don't care?06:56
GAN900asj, good to know.06:56
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yigalinsults flung at Nokia, hmm don't really believe in Karma, but in this case ...07:01
ieatlintcould be worse, could be openmoko07:01
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lpotterthat kharma07:01
lpotterthat's07:01
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yigalwhat ever, it's all Hindi too me07:02
yigalor Sanskrit07:02
yigalhowever you take it07:02
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yigalha, I had such hopes in that project07:02
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yigallotsa netsplit07:02
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luke-jrMaemo #1 feature: post pics to facebook within seconds07:03
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luke-jryigal: what law creates any force for a "TOS" that I've never seen nor met about nor agreed to?07:18
yigalit's just a matter that one is putting one's personal information, the framework of one's relations on the line07:18
DocScrutinizerhah07:19
luke-jrso don't put any personal information in07:19
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: quit it!07:19
Maceroh yeah .. 7 mour hours and my 1 movie for my n900 will be done encoding :)07:19
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yigalit's not possible because by the very nature of FB the nature is personal?07:20
DocScrutinizernah, let's start the real fun now07:20
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yigalD no, please let's not07:20
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yigalthe relations one has with everyone07:21
yigalowell, my own personal problem with sketchy social networks07:21
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Maceryigal: like google?07:23
Macerhaha07:23
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Maceri'm waiting for the day facebook starts charging its users to use it07:23
Macermaybe after they buy out myspace07:23
yigalFB in my eyes is more sketch just cause of the CEO07:23
Macermeh. i don't use facebook07:24
Macergetting msg'd all goddamn day about fake farms or mafia wars is not too high on my to do list07:24
yigalThe humble beginnings of Google is hard to forget07:24
Macerthe little search engine that could?07:24
luke-jrMacer: you can ignore those07:24
Macerit's amazing they took off they way they did07:24
Macerwhen there were so many alternatives07:24
Maceryahoo pulled a damn amd when it came to google :)07:25
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luke-jrMetacrawler…07:25
yigalyahoo acted like the gestapo07:25
Maceryigal: i mean they were on top and just watched google take the lead and keep on going :)07:26
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Macerthen again.. sbcglobal/att/whatever bought yahoo.. so that on its own turned it into something nobody wants haha07:26
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yigalwhen yahoo! sold out the poor blogger in China it was easy for me to stop using them all together07:27
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Macersold out the poor blogger in china?07:28
Macergoogle sold out in china too ;)07:28
yigalhttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article728898.ece, crap like that07:28
yigalMacer: yes but only later07:28
yigalnot like that makes them better07:28
Macerhaha... yahoo sold out to french pussies as well.. disallowing all nazi forums and memorabilia07:29
Macernot that i agree with nazism but still :) .. free speech/expression is free speech/expression07:29
yigallook I'm a Jew, but I believe in freedom of speech07:29
yigalhowse that07:30
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D-Iivilgood morning vietnam.07:30
yigalexcuse my spelling, just meant to bring to point home07:30
yigalhah07:30
Maceryigal: money talks07:30
Maceri don't care how a company TRIES to hide it.. in the end.. money rules all :)07:31
yigalno people with $ are heard07:31
luke-jrGoogle has to obey the law too07:31
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yigalthe only question is which one07:31
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, ping07:31
DocScrutinizerwazzup07:31
luke-jrgovernments have the power to censor things. get over it.07:32
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, what was the control -file field you talked couple of days ago?07:32
ml-mobile /me preemtively slaps the cuffs on luke-jr07:32
yigalok #politics, in any event07:32
ml-mobileo_O07:32
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, the one that overrides the description in ham.07:32
Macerluke-jr: google could have just given china the finger if they really wanted to07:32
Macerthey would have survived without the chinese market07:33
Macereasily07:33
DocScrutinizerin package build folder /debian/control07:33
yigalbut could the Chinese?07:33
Macerprobably more so considering other countries would have been on board with a google boycott of china07:33
Maceryigal: are they going to bomb california? :)07:33
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, yes, that file, but what was the field name?07:33
DocScrutinizerXB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description:  in there07:33
luke-jrMacer: but why?07:33
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, thanks.07:33
DocScrutinizeryw07:34
Macerluke-jr: oh. firm beliefs or something like that07:34
yigalI was a physics graduate student, my officemate was Chinese, Google was a huge part of having a good life in China07:34
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Macernobody has those when it comes to money though ;)07:34
yigalMacer: yes, I'm from CA07:34
luke-jrMacer: firm idolatry of liberty?07:34
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luke-jrI have firm beliefs that government *justly* has the power to censor.07:34
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yigaljust is the key term07:34
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ml-mobilelol, governments never justly censor07:35
Macerluke-jr: and companies have a right to just dismantle the market in the area if they believe that the country is not in the spirit of the service they are trying to provide07:35
yigalml-mobile: lol07:35
luke-jryigal: what was China censoring unjustly?07:35
Macerbut money talked ;)07:35
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Macerml-mobile: i agree ;)07:35
Maceri think elections should be held every year for every public office07:35
yigalluke-jr: Tiananmen Square07:36
yigalamong other things07:36
luke-jrMacer: I think monarchs shouldn't be elected.07:36
luke-jrthe masses are idiots07:36
Macerluke-jr: agreed haha07:36
luke-jryigal: never heard of it07:36
yigalluke-jr: google it, lo07:36
yigall07:36
microlithwow07:36
microlithluke-jr isn't familiar with tiananmen square?07:36
luke-jryigal: "Your query has been restricted. Sorry."07:36
yigalluke-jr: lol07:37
microlitha better example is how the government in china supresses reporting on things like the collapsed schools07:37
microlithmostly because the contractors were very well connected to party members07:37
yigaland bloggers07:37
Maceryigal: those people should have tor'd their stuff ;)07:38
Macerisn't china what tor is for?07:38
GAN900It amazes me that even US schools don't really tell you anything about Tiananmen.07:38
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MacerGAN900: the chinese would be angry07:38
Macerthen no more cheap wal-mart goods07:38
GAN900Most people don't realize the Chinese army was mowing civilians down in the streets.07:38
yigali need my cheap laptop07:39
Maceri'll stick my head in the sand for a $100 fridge07:39
Macernot to sound mean but i could care less about a person in china anyways :)07:39
Macerbut that's just me. i'm selfish07:39
budfiveMacer: you could NOT care less07:39
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Macerbudfive: semantics ;)07:40
budfiveMacer: polar opposite :)07:40
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yigalwow a plentitude of silence07:42
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Macerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo.com#Criticism_and_controversy07:51
Macergood reading :)07:51
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asjheh the n900 doesn't like to have it's sim inserted while still on08:03
Stskeepsit is behind the battery is it not..08:04
Stskeeps:P08:04
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asjStskeeps: that's easily worked around :)08:04
cheriffdoes anyone know the difference between a USIM and a regular sim card? (turns out n900 doesn't like the former, which my network uses)08:05
ieatlintµSIM is what you mean, and your network undoubtedly uses both the classic SIM form factor and the new microsim08:05
ieatlintthe difference is the micro SIM card is smaller08:06
yigalMacer: lol, awesome display of sarcasm via yahoo08:06
cheriffieatlint: no, not micro-sim .. 'universal' sim apparently08:06
cheriffsame form factor08:06
ieatlintatt?08:07
cheriffThree (australia)08:07
ieatlintweird08:07
asjthree most definately sells mini-sims08:07
cheriffback when they were the only 3G game in town it didn't matter so much08:07
ieatlintsorry, all i know is what wikipedia could tell me08:07
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asj(especially since I'm using 3 via telstra roaming right now)08:08
cheriffasj: they do micro cards to. just my 6700s 'usim' doesnt work in n900, but regular old sims work in it08:09
asjyour 6700 has a mini-sim08:09
cheriffwhatever the middle one is ;) smaller than a credit card, bigger than the iPad takes08:10
asjyes, mini-sim08:10
cheriffok then its a mini USIM :) cheers for the correction08:10
cheriffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Subscriber_Identity_Module#USIM  (didnt think to check wiki, d'oh!)08:10
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asjcheriff: but that shouldn't be a problem, the n900 does 3g on 2100mhz08:11
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asjall 3g "sim" are usims08:11
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cheriffah, thats what i though .. just when i tried it it was giving 'no sim inserted' messages, and i just assumed it was buisness as normal - not being able to borrow a friend's unlocked phone unless they also were on 308:12
cheriff(above and beyone carrier-lockin)08:12
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asjwell three might be doing something retarded with imei locking their sims or whatever that is, of all the carriers, never dealt with 308:13
asjhttp://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1474986.html08:14
asjworks for someone08:14
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lpotter3 is "different"08:16
cheriffyeah :( now workie for me. not a big deal (only really needed a 'portable beagleboard') but was hoping to use as a decent phone sometimes also :)08:18
cheriffs/now/no/08:18
infobotcheriff meant: yeah :( no workie for me. not a big deal (only really needed a 'portable beagleboard') but was hoping to use as a decent phone sometimes also :)08:18
cheriffwhy yes, yes I did.08:19
asjcheriff: just get a real carrier ;)08:19
cheriff:)08:20
asjcould try calling them, dunoo08:20
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cheriffhttp://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Three-UK-sim-and-N900-any-update-yet/td-p/601864 seems to say 2.2009.51-1 fixes it, am still runnign stock FW08:21
MiXu-Hmm. I've never seen anything besides just one size of sims.08:21
h4xordoodheyo :)08:21
asjcheriff: oh definately get pr1.208:21
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h4xordoodhow can i remove that boot time nokia video where one holds hand of the other ?08:22
h4xordood:/08:22
cheriffasj: ok, will ceede to the 'get maemo 5' updates :) i was concerned since IME 'update' == 'lockout'08:22
asjcheriff: just don't f it up :)08:23
cheriffok :) so long as bootmenu continues to work i'll be08:23
cheriffhappy08:23
ham5h4xordood: Go to /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and edit the default.conf file comment (#) out the line08:23
h4xordoodham5, thnx :)08:24
ham5np08:24
h4xordoodi am new to maemo :)08:24
h4xordoodwell i installed bootmenu and updated it yesterday :)08:24
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ham5coming from fedora you might like the meego better :)08:25
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h4xordoodyeah i am fedora boy :)08:27
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h4xordoodi am trying meego mmc install also08:27
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MiXu-I wonder if they'll ever fix the app manager08:33
MiXu-It takes forever just to show the list of repos08:33
asjMiXu-: install fapman08:33
MiXu-You would think it would be only a simple cat /etc/apt/sources.list -> parse -> show.08:34
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MiXu-asj: Is it better?08:35
asjMiXu-: no it's worse that's why I suggested it ;p08:35
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asjMiXu-: of course it's better, it's full name is Fast App Manager, so it's faster ;)08:35
MiXu-If it's open source, you can never know without asking ;)08:35
MiXu-It's like "Yeah, go ahead and install ubuntu. Even your grandma can use it."08:36
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ham5MiXu- you can use apt08:36
MiXu-And then the first howto you come across involves command line ;)08:36
MiXu-ham5: Sure, but it's not very convenient08:36
ham5just looking to browse ?08:37
MiXu-ham5: yeah08:37
asjfapman, serisouly :)08:37
ham5http://maemo.org/packages/repository/ ?08:37
MiXu-Hmm. That works.08:38
ham5I do agree about their app manager tho08:39
ham5to much refreshing08:39
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slonopotamuswhat's so private in maemo bugzilla so it needs to be secured via ssl, tell me?08:43
Stskeepsslonopotamus: passwords?08:44
slonopotamuss/be secured/be served/08:44
infobotslonopotamus meant: what's so private in maemo bugzilla so it needs to be served via ssl, tell me?08:44
slonopotamusStskeeps: t.m.o. also has passwords, so what?08:44
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Stskeepsany login ought to have ssl08:45
Stskeeps:P08:45
Corsac(agreed)08:45
asjslonopotamus: why do you put letters in an envelop and not use post cards for everything?08:45
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slonopotamus~ping08:46
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infobot~pong08:46
ham5anyone flood that bot off?08:47
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slonopotamusasj: irrelevant. i don't use snail-mail. also, man ciphers.08:49
asjslonopotamus: <boggle>08:49
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luke-jrso09:04
luke-jrGPS "valid data" -- SOLVED09:04
luke-jras well as parsing an actual subpacket format09:04
luke-jrand # of available sats09:04
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luke-jrdo we have an app that can just dump location API data to stdout?09:06
luke-jrspecifically, something including all the satellite data09:06
luke-jrI threw together a Python script for my earlier work, but … (FIXME: currently "satellites" and "cell_info" attributes are not supported in Python):"09:07
Corsacluke-jr: maybe to high level, but can't minigpsd do something like that?09:08
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luke-jrAFAIK minigpsd doesn't support N90009:08
Corsacoh09:08
Corsacthat's a good point indeed09:08
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luke-jrCorsac: if it did, all my work would be a waste XD09:10
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CorsacI though minigpsd was using the api or something :)09:11
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luke-jrah09:15
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MiXu-Have you guys tested FF 4 beta?09:20
MiXu-The change they've made with the title bar is completely pointless.09:20
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MiXu-It doesn't save screen space, it's just more bling and sort of looks like how chrome does it.09:21
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luke-jrcan someone send me the liblocation0-dev headers? :/09:35
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PontusOhmanHmm... My acc @ maemo.org just disaperead... Tryied to login in, but nope! Tryied to request my user+pass with the registered mail but then I got not valid mail! WT*09:50
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n0727_hi everyone.10:01
n0727_is there anyone who's developed an SDL based game/app for n900?10:02
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Stskeepsmorning andre__10:05
andre__heja10:05
n0727_hello..10:06
n0727_is this a good place to asking coding questions on n900?10:07
ham5godda be better sdl specific channels10:08
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n0727_thanks. how do I find those sdl channels?10:10
n0727_#maemo-sdl?10:10
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budfivehow about #sdl?10:10
n0727_ok. I'll give it a try.10:12
n0727_it seems #sdl does not exist.10:12
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budfiveyes it does10:18
budfive62 people in it10:18
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n0727_alright. it does exist. thanks.10:19
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jacekowskin0727_: #maemo-devel10:20
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luke-jrStskeeps: poke10:27
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Stskeepsmm?10:27
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luke-jrStskeeps: got liblocation headers? :p10:29
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Stskeepsnot handy10:29
luke-jrStskeeps: or even more ideally a simple app to dump liblocation data?10:29
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jacekowskiluke-jr: do you have list of that stuff in that packet?10:33
luke-jrjacekowski: ?10:33
jacekowskifrom cellmo10:33
jacekowskifrom gps10:33
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luke-jrI have everything decompiled except detailed satellite info and cell_info I think10:34
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jacekowskiwhere is the list?10:34
luke-jrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering is an old version10:34
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MohammadAG5124,25,26(,27?) = longitude / 360 * 256*256*256(*256?)  wtf10:40
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jacekowskiall these values are either double or float10:43
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luke-jrjacekowski: why?10:47
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jacekowskiwell, that's most likely option10:48
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MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# flash11:01
MohammadAGflash_erase     flash_info      flash_otp_dump  flash_unlock    flasher11:01
MohammadAGflash_eraseall  flash_lock      flash_otp_info  flashcp         flashlauncher11:01
MohammadAGwhere the hell did those come from11:01
Stskeepsbootmenu?11:02
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MohammadAGmtd-utils11:03
crashanddieMohammadAG: neopwn.com website updated11:04
crashanddiehttp://www.neopwn.com/release.php11:04
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crashanddiethey're plonkers, as usual11:05
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MohammadAGbah11:06
MohammadAGthey could release the driver, it's what's really needed anyways11:07
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MohammadAGthe rest can be installed on maemo11:07
crashanddiefucking stupid shitty drama queens11:08
crashanddieboo fucking hoo, a dev left you? Piss.11:08
crashanddieoff.11:08
Stskeepsthe dev that did all the worK?11:09
Stskeeps:P11:09
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crashanddienha, he goes into a little tirade over open source, and how difficult it is to keep a project afloat if you're not the main dev11:09
JaffaMorning, all11:09
luke-jrjacekowski: not at all11:09
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luke-jrjacekowski: seeing as I've decoded most everything and none of it seems to be float/double11:10
crashanddiemorning Jaffa11:10
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, tbh, something tells me the whole injection thing was fake11:10
crashanddiewell, the screencast we've seen is nothing really11:11
MohammadAGindeed11:11
crashanddieI mean, I can write the same GUI in about 20 minutes flat11:11
MohammadAG5 if you're using Qt designer11:11
crashanddieno, 20 cuz I'm typing on the N900 :P11:11
MohammadAGlol11:11
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crashanddieI've been sceptic since the beginning11:11
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MohammadAGand the demo in terminal could be ssh11:12
crashanddiewell, even that could be fake, really11:12
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crashanddiemaybe they just wanted free tickets to defcon and BH?11:12
MohammadAGthey didn't specifically show the wl1251 driver being loaded11:12
MohammadAGcrashanddie, who'd want those11:13
crashanddiewell, they are a pretty big deal, mate11:13
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MohammadAGmeh11:14
MohammadAGon a side note, plugin-container needs to die11:14
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jacekowskiwhat are you talking about again11:15
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MohammadAGinjection with the wl125111:16
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jacekowskiwell, wl1251 is open source11:16
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jacekowskibesides, if card doesn't have problem with mac changes then it shouldn't have any problems with packet injection11:21
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MohammadAGjacekowski, I'm sure no one here would patch it to support injection11:22
Stskeepsisn't it mac80211 that has to be patched instead?11:22
jacekowskiMohammadAG: why?11:22
MohammadAGjacekowski, no motive?11:23
jacekowskiwell, i could do it just for sake of doing it11:23
jacekowskibut recently i don't have time for that sort of things11:23
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jacekowskiso i suppose your point still stands11:24
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MohammadAGis this even possible? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=766125#post76612511:28
MohammadAGisn't the IMEI stored in cal?11:28
luke-jrI thought the SIM?11:30
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MohammadAGerr, no11:30
MohammadAGthat's IMSI iirc11:30
sandstormfrom time to time the icons on my desktop stops responding and do not trigger the execution of the correlated application until reboot, what might be the workaround? thanks alot.11:31
sandstormand the reasons.11:31
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ham5I check out top next time see if anything is taking up alot of cpu time something is locking up11:34
StskeepsIMEI is probably in the cellmo.11:35
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jacekowskiMohammadAG51: imei isn't in cal11:38
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: imei is in rapuyama and copy of it is in cal11:38
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chem|stsandstorm: hildon-home frozen by a thirdparty app11:46
timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ DVDs?11:47
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timeless_mbpthere's some sort of programming language for them11:47
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chem|stsandstorm: get a shell, become root and apt-get remove hildon-desktop-python-loader11:47
timeless_mbpwhat is it? :)11:47
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chem|stsandstorm: and all what it tells to uninstall with it11:47
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chem|stsandstorm: restart hildon-home with "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-home" to stop and "dsmetool -t /usr/bin/hildon-home" to start it again11:48
Jucatogood day/afternoon/evening! I have some beginner development questions. what is the preferred SDK now for developing (most probably Qt apps) for Maemo 5 (on Linux): the regular SDK (the one installed by the python script) or Nokia Qt SDK?11:49
MiXu-I use Nokia Qt SDK11:50
chem|stJucato: what you prefer... for pythonQt you can just ssh to your phone or use the sdk for example11:50
Jucatohow do you set up the Maemo Emulator in the Nokia Qt SDK? I don't have a phone yet (but it might be coming if I can get a dev environment up asap :)11:51
Jucatochem|st: for now, C++ (I'm not that knowledgeable of python yet)11:51
chem|stJucato: Maemo emulator is installed and configured as part of the Nokia Qt SDK package11:52
chem|stthats for qtcreator at least11:52
sandstormchem|st: why do I need to uninstall python loader?11:53
Jucatohm ... let me check again. a while ago it wasn't11:53
chem|stsandstorm: I guess some of your (or just one) python hacked widgets is having a bad day...11:54
chem|stJucato: well the howto guides to attaching real n900 only...11:55
chem|stno idea!11:55
Jucatochem|st: exactly :(11:55
JucatoTools -> Options -> Projects page -> Maemo Device COnfiguration tab. I set it to use Maemo emulator, but when I click on Test, it goes "Device configuration test failed: Could not connect to host. Did you start Qemu?"11:56
sandstormchem|st: hmm thank you very much for the workaround11:56
sandstormand suggestions11:56
chem|stJucato: you have to set the build target to maemo to get the button shown it says11:56
chem|stsandstorm: for just get it out of that state you may restart with dsmetool but that wont solve the problem11:57
Jucatoso I tried using the older SDK, it downloaded the scratchbox packages, then failed later on at the installation, saying it couldn't find /scratbox (because I set SB_PATH to /opt/scratchbox because I'm on Fedora). so I started the installer again with the default path and now it's downloading all the scratchbox packages again! :)11:58
chem|stJucato: yeah scratchbox is installed without fedora repos in that case11:59
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Jucatochem|st: yep the button is there. but it won't start. hm ... but now I'm even having build problems on a fresh new Qt Mobile project (set to Maemo taret) "Command dh_installdirs failed"12:01
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Jucatoheh this is fun >.<12:03
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ali_hi, does anyone knows the style of the pinyin/zhuyin/.. mode in the MTF IMF of the meego/maemo612:27
ali_infobot:: do you know where to find the source code for those pinyin/zhuyin... mode?12:29
infobotyes, I know where to find the source code for those pinyin/zhuyin... mode.12:29
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sandstormchem|st: exactly, that wont solve the problem but if I could, I wish to reveal the actual problem which causes hildon to hung12:31
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JucatoSDK installer failed 2nd time. I'm doing it manually piece by piece >.<12:44
Jucatoanyone here successfully installed any SDK (original one or Nokia Qt) on Fedora? :)12:46
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andre__and the failure is...?12:50
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JucatoE: Scratchbox bind mount for user not present. E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start'. E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.12:53
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chem|stsandstorm: and that is one of the 3rd party widgets and most of the time it is a python one12:57
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chem|stali_: ==> #meego12:58
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MohammadAGJucato, then execute sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start13:06
MohammadAGNot sure, but I think Fedora doesn't have upstart13:06
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MohammadAGjacekowski, does your fmtxd binary ignore USB cables?13:15
jacekowskiyep13:15
jacekowskiit ignores all kind of shit13:16
jacekowskithing is that UI still has checks for headphones13:16
jacekowskiso if you have headphones plugged in you can't switch it on13:16
jacekowskior do something13:16
MohammadAGso it's a wordaround for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59249 ?13:16
jacekowskibut it will continue to work13:16
jacekowskiyes13:16
DuckbootHrmf - FCam and Power Kernel does not wanna be friends.13:17
jacekowskiDuckboot: yep13:17
MohammadAGI guess you're replying to that thread13:17
jacekowskiDuckboot: you have to compile modules on your own13:17
MohammadAGDuckboot, compile the modules13:17
jacekowskiMohammadAG: hmm, i can reply to it13:17
MohammadAGDuckboot, or use the precompiled ones13:17
Duckbootjacekowski: Aah - Kk13:17
MohammadAGjacekowski, ty, I need a link to it anyways :)13:17
DuckbootMohammadAG: Precompiled - Are there any for kernel-power?13:18
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ali_chem|st: you mean that I should ask this question in #meego channel?13:18
MohammadAGDuckboot, yes, I'll see if I can get a link13:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG: hmm, some people may think that it's an advertising or something13:18
ali_chem|st: I asked, but nobody answered. :-13:18
DuckbootMohammadAG: Excellent - thanks alot.13:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG: maybe it will be better if you reply13:18
MohammadAGjacekowski, it's your work13:18
MohammadAGjacekowski, how is it advertising anyways, you're not getting paid for it13:19
MohammadAGDuckboot, http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fcam/fcam-drivers_1.0.5-1_armel.deb13:19
ali_infobot: what's you meaning?  where?  could you tell me?13:19
jacekowski~seen t-tan13:19
[DarkGUNMAN]Good morning13:19
infobott-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 14h 38m 56s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.13:19
MohammadAGali_, infobot is a bot (duh), it can only reply to what was defined13:20
DuckbootMohammadAG: Thank you13:20
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: do you have any life outside of t.m.o?13:22
MohammadAGjacekowski, lol yeah, why?13:22
jacekowskiwell, you've noticed that thread 5 minutes after it was created13:23
MohammadAGheh13:23
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ali_MohammadAG: oh, -_-  thank you13:32
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RZI cannot find the ! and ? sign on the virtual keyboard for Slovenian language13:33
RZAny ideas?13:33
MohammadAGjacekowski, what's the kernel module for the fmtx13:33
SpeedEvillook in category:n900 hardware - i think I wrote it down13:35
jacekowskisilsomething i think13:35
jacekowskifmtx-si471313:35
barisioneRobot101, DocScrutinizer: I have code that makes the ringtone faster, just that it plays at the wrong volume atm :-/13:36
MohammadAGhmm, can't find the .c file for it13:36
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jacekowskiwell, i can13:36
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MohammadAGfmtx-si4713.mod.c?13:37
jacekowski./drivers/media/radio/si4713.c13:37
jacekowskior13:37
jacekowski./drivers/media/radio/radio-si4713.c13:37
jacekowskione of these13:37
jacekowskii don't remember13:37
MohammadAGoh, ty13:37
MohammadAGdrivers/media/radio/si4713.c, t13:39
MohammadAGy13:39
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MohammadAGhmm13:43
MohammadAGso the fmtx supports 87500, but the UI doesn't13:43
MohammadAGweird13:43
X-FadeDepends on the firmware variant.13:43
X-FadeLocal laws might prevent that.13:43
MohammadAGcountry variants are defined in the module apparently13:44
SpeedEvildoesn't depend on firmware13:44
SpeedEviloh13:44
SpeedEvilright13:44
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SpeedEvilI suppose if you call linux + stack firmware, then yes13:44
jacekowskiMohammadAG: fmtx supports 73mhz13:44
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MohammadAGexample, US step is set to 20, EU is set to 1013:44
MohammadAGI'm setting US to 10, my device is a US one anyways13:44
MohammadAGjacekowski, hmm?13:45
jacekowskiyou can go down to 73MHz13:45
MohammadAGhow13:45
jacekowski76*13:45
jacekowskiecho 3 > /sys/somewhere13:46
jacekowskior13:46
jacekowskiecho 4 > /sys/somewhere13:46
jacekowski4 is better13:46
jacekowskibut then there is still UI problem13:46
MohammadAGisn't the fmtx region defined in cal?13:46
jacekowskino13:46
jacekowskiwell, yes13:47
jacekowskibut no13:47
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jacekowskido you understand?13:47
MohammadAGkind of :P13:47
keriodefined, but the sw can just happily ignore it?13:48
jacekowski /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0063/region13:48
jacekowskithat's where you change region13:48
SpeedEvilThe hardware is I2C13:48
jacekowskimodule defaults to 2 i think13:48
Corsacit should take the region from qtmobility!13:48
SpeedEvilyou can unload the module, and talk to it completely raw13:48
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jacekowskiyou don't have to13:49
jacekowskithere is nothing in module13:49
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jacekowskionly thing that fmtxd is interested in is fmtxd_pwl13:50
jacekowskiwhich contains power level settings13:50
jacekowskibut it reads max and min frequencies and step from /sys13:50
jacekowskion startup13:50
jacekowskiso fmtxd isn't a problem13:50
jacekowskiit's GUI that's messing with stuff13:51
keriojacekowski: does your edited fmtxd allow for all these things?13:51
jacekowskifmtxd - yes13:51
* MohammadAG sets #define DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL88 to 11813:52
jacekowskibut you have to use fmtx_client13:52
jacekowskiMohammadAG: normal fmtxd will reduce it anyways13:52
jacekowskikerio: because libhildonsomethingdoingsomethingwithfmtx.so has it's own checks for region, headphones and stuff13:53
jacekowskilibhildonfm.so.2.0.013:53
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Corsacmine goes to eleven13:53
jacekowski300k for a .so with 3 buttons13:53
* lcuk sets MohammadAG DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL to OVER 9000!13:54
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jacekowskilcuk: you're still messing with 4chan i see13:54
lcuknahh over 9000 has been around for yonks13:55
Duckboothttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik13:56
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MohammadAGhmm13:59
MohammadAGI wonder if the FMTX supports 5 steps13:59
MohammadAGas in .5MHz14:00
jacekowskiyes14:00
jacekowskibut .5MHz is 5014:00
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MohammadAGstatic struct region_info region_configs[] = {14:01
MohammadAG/* USA */14:01
MohammadAG{14:01
MohammadAG.channel_spacing= 5,14:01
jacekowskibut again14:03
jacekowskigui can only do 0.1MHz14:03
MohammadAGscrew it14:04
jacekowskiehh14:06
jacekowskihttp://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comments14:06
jacekowskiread that14:06
jacekowskihey bro wassup i cant find the way to download chromium what can i do ?14:06
jacekowskiplzzz send me libxss file on my id14:06
jacekowskigreatbang_ash@hotmail.com14:06
MohammadAGturn off comments14:06
jacekowskiyeah, i was thinking about that14:07
jacekowskibut why people are soooooooooooooooooooo stupid14:07
MohammadAGmake an .install file, saves you the time to explain how to add a repo14:08
Wolfiewaagh... apple store is down. this means most probably new imacs. which means it's time to decide whether to buy a genuine one, or lose my mind building a hackintosh :/14:09
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jacekowskiWolfie: or buy a real PC14:09
Dantonicomg... imacs...14:10
Dantonicew14:10
Wolfiejacekowski: no thanks. I already have a linux server, and a Windows netbook14:11
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Wolfieit's just my mac that needs replacement14:11
MohammadAGjacekowski, turn off comments and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9ajDp4cU14:11
jacekowskinah, people will just start sending me e-mails14:12
MohammadAGthen don't turn off comments but add the .install file14:12
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MohammadAGyou could add a package = line14:13
MohammadAGpackage = chromium-browser14:13
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MohammadAGor whatever you called the package14:13
jacekowskireally,14:14
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jacekowskipeople that are too stupid to understand that post don't deserve to have chromium14:14
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PolarFoxDoes N900 put some SMS messages to /dev/null? :) I can't seem to get VCAL messages :(14:37
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fralsPolarFox: sure they arent being sent as mms?14:50
PolarFoxyeah.. I'm sure. I sent them myself. And they work ok with our test phone (N97)14:50
PolarFoxand Android phone just shows the VCAL as text..14:51
PolarFoxBut my N900 doesn't show it at all :)14:51
PolarFoxAll with the same sim card.. and same system sending the messages.14:51
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fralswhatsystem is sending the messages?14:52
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fralsanyway, dbus-monitor shows stuff whenever an incoming sms is received, could take a look there if it shows up14:53
frals(have to be runningi when the sms is sent )14:53
PolarFoxIt's a top sicrit SMS gateway, that is in production use already.. :)14:53
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PolarFoxNothing in the dbus-monitor suggests that SMS was ever received...14:59
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kerio10$ dumbphone 1 - n900 015:04
kerioor, to be more precise, 10$ dumbphone 1 - n900 58175837183578257812515:05
SpeedEvilITYM15:05
SpeedEvil0$ dumbphone 1 - n900 58175837183578257812415:05
SpeedEvilyou forgot to subtract the 115:05
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: you've read the suggestion to use a fifo in .local/sounds with name of ringtone - then feed that fifo with a process deciding which ringtone to pipe in there?15:08
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kerioSpeedEvil: i did15:09
kerioit was 58175837183578257812615:09
PolarFoxfrals: I sent the message from N900 to my number... Didn't arrive.. :)15:10
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PolarFoxSo sending VCAL SMS messages to N900 doesn't work.. and I have to go home. :)15:12
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parigaudihi15:13
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VenemoPolarFox: are you the same PolarFox whom I know from high school?15:15
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PolarFoxVenemo: I doubt that ;)15:16
VenemoPolarFox: okay, it seems your nicks are accidentally the same :)15:16
VenemoPolarFox: sorry, but I had to ask :)15:16
PolarFoxThat has been a problem in the past.. :)15:16
PolarFoxThat's why I have registered this in freenode ;)15:17
PolarFoxI still get weird messages in IRCnet15:17
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VenemoPolarFox: sorry for that.15:20
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kakashi_Hi, I am having a strange problem, I can't find skype protocol on the phone, even if it says skype is installed15:33
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kakashi_is there anyway out of this ?15:33
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keriotry uninstalling/reinstalling?15:33
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GuySofthey, is there a 'remember the milk' app for maemo? or is there a similar service?15:36
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the_lordI think apt-get install nolazy works15:37
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SpeedEvilGuySoft I vaguely remember a milk related app15:41
SpeedEvilGuySoft: 'Daddies little helper' ?15:41
Corsacmoo15:41
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DuckbootGuySoft: NoLazy15:43
GuySoftDuckboot, is that another service?15:43
Duckboothttp://maemo.org/packages/view/nolazy/15:43
GuySoftmoo is not downlodable15:44
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Duckboothttp://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Daddys_Little_Helper&faq=43&fldAuto=120115:44
GuySoftDuckboot, thanks :)15:44
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DuckbootGuySoft: Daddy's little Helper has a desktop widget too.15:44
GuySoftdoes not seem to work for maemo15:45
DuckbootCompatibility15:45
DuckbootMaemo 515:45
DuckbootShould be.15:45
GuySoftDuckboot, i have a N81015:45
DuckbootAah15:45
Myrtti"those little things..."15:46
DuckbootGuySoft: http://zutun.garage.maemo.org/15:48
hajhm.. isn't it a bit shitty.. that instinctive player?15:48
hajmine has been saying "Analyzing, please come back later" when trying instinctive shuffle every time i have tried it.... ever since the first release15:48
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hajeven after having it started all night without playing.. :)15:49
alteregoI heard it was slow and cwappy compared to the inbuilt player that's just a teeny bit glitchy :)15:49
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hajalterego: I actually quite like the build in player... :)15:50
hajbut then... I also tend to use Windows Media Player on my PC.. ;)15:50
hajmostly because I'm too lazy to install anything else15:50
barisioneDocScrutinizer: a fifo for what?15:51
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GuySoftDuckboot, ztun crashes, and does not let you review the tasks, only add them15:53
DocScrutinizerbarisione: as default playback-ringtone.wav - so dialer/whatever deals with all the volume and gstreamer and whatnot setup, and you just decide about the audio data to feed in :-)15:54
DuckbootGuySoft: Then I haven't got any more suggestions - sorry.15:54
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: you can switc ringtones on the fly then, while playback is going on15:55
barisioneDocScrutinizer: it cannot work, as the playing of the ringtone could start before I choose what to play15:56
alteregohaj: I like it too :P15:56
GuySoftDuckboot, i can try and look at NoLazy. maybe i can get it to compile15:56
D-Iivil_WorkHello!15:56
GuySoftdoes anyone use NoLazy?15:56
D-Iivil_Workalterego, you have a minute?15:56
DocScrutinizerbarisione: that's why I say you can switch on the fly :-D15:56
alteregoD-Iivil_Work: maybe go ahead.15:56
barisionethe process that reads the file will have already opened the other ringtone and so only that one would play15:57
hajalterego: But I'd like to know if it can even work that instinctive stuff :)15:57
D-Iivil_Workalterego, can you help me with adding QT / C app's source to package and make autobuilder build it for me?15:57
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, I mean with the rest of the package. (I want to include source of my Plastic Theme Setup with the theme package instead of just putting binary-file in the package).15:57
alteregoD-Iivil_Work: that might be a bit too in depth as I'm about to go into an interview...15:57
hajalterego: hah.. it's silly that instinctive puts the phone tones in the playlist.. and quite confusing.. :)15:57
D-Iivil_Workalterego, okay :)15:58
D-Iivil_Workalterego, then I'll just google a bit more and try to figure it out from files that QT Creator makes...15:58
alteregohaj: it's silly that the inbuilt image viewer indexes all my icons too :P15:58
alteregoD-Iivil_Work: you should just need the .pro file with your source and put all the QT and platform deps in you debian/control file.15:59
D-Iivil_Workalterego, really? Is it that easy?15:59
alteregoShould be, oh and add the build process as you would enter it on the command line into you debian/rules file.16:00
D-Iivil_Workalterego, I mean I must somewhere specify into what folder will the binary be built etc.16:00
D-Iivil_Workalterego, what would the proper command be to put in rules -file?16:01
D-Iivil_Workalterego, and please don't mind me asking, just go to the interview when you have to :P16:01
alteregosomething like: qmake myproject.pro16:01
alteregothen make16:01
hajalterego: that also... actually it might be sufficient to say: It's silly16:01
D-Iivil_Workalterego, okay, I'll investigate from here.16:01
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, thanks.16:01
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alteregoand: DESTDIR=$(BASEDIR)/debian/myproject/opt/myproject make install16:02
alteregoor something like that, my variable names are probably wrong.16:02
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, well, I'll take it from here and try to survive :)16:03
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alteregoSounds like there are some delays, I might be waiting some time...16:03
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, hmm... in the rules-file that's generated by QT creator it says only these:16:09
D-Iivil_Workbuild-stamp: configure-stamp16:10
D-Iivil_Workdh_testdir16:10
D-Iivil_Work$(MAKE)16:10
D-Iivil_Worktouch $@16:10
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D-Iivil_Workoops, wrong place.16:10
D-Iivil_Workalterego, this: http://www.pastie.org/106205716:10
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, so is it enough if I place the source files and the .pro -file in the root of my package's folder and add those commands into the rules-file?16:11
D-Iivil_Workalterego, and ofcource specify the install-folder16:11
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alteregoyes16:13
D-Iivil_Workalterego, and it won't mess up the other stuff that's being built by autobuilder?16:13
alteregoMaybe look at someone elses Qt based packaging file to make sure of the syntax and variable names.16:13
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, coz' there's a bunch of $(MAKE)'s already in my rules -file...16:14
alteregoYou use make?16:15
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, well it's already there. I'm using a template by stskeeps.16:15
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, it's a template of theme that's being built by autobuilder.16:15
mc_teois there any mic recorder in python around16:15
mc_teosomething like recaller would be ideal, but not as a widget16:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, here's the current rules-file: http://www.pastie.org/106206116:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, and right now I'm just copying the pre-compiled bin into the place I want (that's done @ line 83 in rules-file).16:16
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alteregoYeah, can see that. You'll need to replace that with a make install16:21
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mc_teoas a test, i started taking bits of gstreamer nessisary parts from recaller, but although it records, and saves it16:21
mc_teomedia player cant open it16:21
D-Iivil_Workalterego, but what's confusing me is that there's already a $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/$(PKGNAME); \16:22
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, so adding another one doesn't make sense to me :-D16:23
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keriohmm... libsdl-mixer1.2 is being kept back16:27
D-Iivil_Workkerio, same16:28
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D-Iivil_Workkerio, I mean on my device.16:28
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kerioand HAM reports some things as being not updated while apt reports other things16:28
kerio:|16:28
RST38hAccording to a new study the psychological profile of iPad owners can be summed up as "selfish elites" while have-not critics are "independent geeks."16:28
RST38heek.16:28
kerioi'll let my trusty fapman deal with this16:28
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kerioWARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!16:31
kerio  python-all python python-minimal python-osso16:31
keriothe fuck16:31
MohammadAGhit y and enter16:31
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albanclcuk, do you know how to get the sources of kernel power?16:35
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toggles_walbanc: apt-get source kernel-power?16:39
toggles_walbanc: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/source/k/kernel-power16:40
luke-jris there any app to display satellite elevation and azimuth? :/16:40
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ShadowJKyou could just pretend the sky is rectangular16:41
ShadowJKlike I did16:41
Corsacisn't it?16:41
MohammadAGlol16:41
luke-jrnot visually16:41
luke-jrjust the numbers16:41
Corsac:)16:41
ShadowJKhttp://enivax.net/jk/gps-10hrsatplot.png16:41
albanctoggles_w, thx16:41
ShadowJKoh..16:41
Corsacluke-jr: I guess you already check the usual apps (maep, location-test-gui, mapper etc.)?16:42
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luke-jrCorsac: the -test-gui sounds interesting, but my apt has it not16:42
Stskeepsit's in fremantle sdk non-free tools16:43
ShadowJKlcoation-test-gui doesn't do it16:43
luke-jrStskeeps: apt line?16:43
zeltakhya guys. anyone knows how to get bash to be the defauly shell (i googled for it but most of the people who tired nuked their systems :))16:43
ShadowJKit's easiest to just type bash after starting x-terminal16:43
zeltakgotcha...thats how i did it so fat16:44
Stskeepsluke-jr: heck if i know, check repository.maemo.org16:44
ShadowJKdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free16:44
Stskeeps:P16:44
ShadowJKor do it like me, be a masochist and use busybox sh16:44
zeltakwhats busybos sh?16:44
zeltak*busybox16:45
ShadowJKthe default shell16:45
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zeltakahh gotcha :)16:45
luke-jr..16:45
ShadowJKOnly annoyance with it is that it doesn't handle UTF-8, so when I typo something it appears as a single letter, but when I backspace, it becomes into two letters, one deleted and one hidden16:46
ShadowJKand then shit goes syntax error16:46
zeltakman i just got the n900 2 days ago and im having a "man-crush";-) its just the best hardware device ive ever owned :)16:46
zeltakany out of repo software u guys are using and want to recommend?16:46
ShadowJKopera might be worth checking out I guess16:47
luke-jrMappero shows the sats on a 360-degree circle, but I don't know how to translate that to azimuth/elevation16:47
ShadowJKif you're familiar with opera mobile from other devices from before16:47
auenfopera i use (in turbo mode) for browsing when on mobile data, microb for wifi16:47
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mgedminzeltak, openssh rules16:47
mgedmin(e.g. access your n900's file system via sshfs from your laptop)16:48
mc_teonvm, it works now, it was some thing to do with overwriting old files16:48
mgedminFBReader rules (HTML/EPUB/RTF/TXT/several-other-format e-books)16:48
mc_teoor maybe i just needed to import os16:48
zeltakthx guys :)16:48
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ShadowJKThere was some significant effort put towards getting most software in one of the extras-* repos for maemo516:49
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zeltakooohhh Mappero looks cool16:50
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luke-jrso any idea what Mappero is showing me?16:51
Jucatoexcuse me, does anyone know off hand the d-bus signal to connect/listen to for when the camera shutter closes? (for a Qt app)16:51
hrwwould be more cool if it would be stable16:51
albancWhere is the .config file in the kernel sources? There is no '.config' or 'config'16:51
MohammadAGmake rx51_defconfig16:53
MohammadAGJucato, not sure about DBus, but the cam shutter is GPIO16:53
MohammadAGshould be in /sys somewhere16:54
Jucatohm .. thanks16:55
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kerioreally, why am i getting errors?17:04
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keriowho screwed up maemo.org's certs?17:04
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hrwnokia?17:05
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jacekowskianother https junkie17:06
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X-Fadekerio: which one?17:08
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luke-jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps217:09
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ham5bin file?17:10
luke-jrthe only significant bit undecoded now is cell info17:10
luke-jrham5: ARM ELF17:10
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Stskeepsluke-jr: know any benchmarks that'd be good to figure out if we're running on a low cpu frequency or not on newer n8x0 kernels?17:19
ShadowJK... bogomips?17:21
TermanaStskeeps, I thought I'd mention, there is definitely no DVFS code for OMAP mainlined, but if you pull the -pm branch there SHOULD be - at least according to: http://elinux.org/OMAP_Power_Management17:21
Termana-pm OMAP branch*17:21
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StskeepsShadowJK: my doubt is really if it's on the max (400mhz) or not17:21
X-FadeStskeeps: run superpi on both kernels and see if the value is the same?17:21
ShadowJKStskeeps, userspace bogomips17:22
Stskeepsah17:22
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ShadowJKDo you have /sys/power/op_active on new kernel?17:23
Stskeepsdoubt it, there's not even CPUFREQ17:23
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lcukalbanc, did you get the source? (een afk)18:44
albanclcuk, yes18:44
lcuk\o/18:45
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the_lordHi! I've just bricked my phone uninstalling power-kernel and rebooting, is there any way to access /boot to put the kernel in there?19:13
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drizztbsdthe_lord: the kernel is NOT in /boot19:13
Corsacthe kernel isn't in /boot19:13
drizztbsdjust reflash the kernel part of the pr1.2 fiasco image19:13
Corsacthe_lord: but you can flash it back19:13
the_lordwell, werever it is19:14
the_lordyes, but iif I flash it I'll lose all my installed apps, I guess19:14
drizztbsdNO!19:14
drizztbsdi say to reflash ONLY the kernel part of the fiasco image19:14
drizztbsdhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation19:15
the_lorddrizztbsd, thx, let me try19:15
drizztbsdflasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F <firmware-image>19:15
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cedaHi! Anyone here who can offer som help regarding garage.maemo.org? I'm really confused by the info sent out after my project was accepted. It suggests that only SSH1 is supported, but when I try to log on it exits saying: Protocol major versions differ: 1 vs. 219:40
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cedanone of the keys I've uploaded through the web ui works (I use them with several other servers)19:41
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cedaand I've checked that there are no linewraps (by resizing the textarea in the html form)19:41
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cedaand the link to the docs that the email I got doesn't work (404): https://garage.maemo.org/docs/site/19:47
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lcukhmmm ceda not good19:48
lcuki have seen something similar in the past also19:49
lcuki cant remember how it was cured, its possible i made the ssh keys outside scratchbox and copied them in19:49
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cedalcuk: sorry, but I'm not sure you're referring to my problem (which is accessing wifi-assistant.garage.maemo.org - not accessing the phone or scratchbox)19:50
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kerioshould i upgrade?20:11
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keriolibsdl-mixer1.2 i mean20:12
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kerioit conflicts with mp-fremantle-generic-pr20:15
* DocScrutinizer51 would think people who set /ns set enforce on at least know how to config their clients to auto identify20:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer: do i apt-get install libsdl-mixer1.2?20:19
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DocScrutinizerkerio: I don't even know what that is (well almost)20:21
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kerioit forces the uninstall of mp-fremantle-generic-pr20:21
DocScrutinizerprolly not what you want20:22
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DocScrutinizerceda: (keys) I had to remove the " "-separated user@engine part at end of key20:23
DocScrutinizer(404) yep, my notivication mail about invitation to repo upload had a derived URL that got 404. Some bug in this thing callled... errr whatever20:27
DocScrutinizerleeme dig out that mail20:27
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cedaDocScrutinizer: that'd be great!20:30
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DocScrutinizeroops, wasn't the invite which was ok20:31
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DocScrutinizerthat's called, errr... midcom20:33
DocScrutinizerLink to page:20:33
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-957d6050928711df8bae1f9ab104ddbaddba20:33
DocScrutinizerforget that20:33
DocScrutinizerstale link20:33
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DocScrutinizernotification about comment added to http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/xxxx et al20:35
cedaDocScrutinizer: what kind of SSH key is it that I need to submit?20:35
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kevloralHello all20:36
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nope, I need enforce20:42
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DocScrutinizerwhy?20:44
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DocScrutinizerhttp://r33b.net20:48
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issak93mohammadAG21:09
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MohammadAG?21:10
issak93yyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy21:10
issak93sorry21:10
issak93sounded a bit gay21:11
issak93let me rephrase21:11
issak93yay21:11
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* sp3000 needs a francophone21:22
sp3000what set of technologies does "un réseau sans fil" resolve to?21:23
marmouteWIFI21:23
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sp3000only?21:23
marmouteWireless network21:23
sp3000so not e.g. cellular?21:23
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marmoutelitterally it might be extented to cellular21:23
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marmoutebut it's used mostly for wifi21:24
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sp3000ok, thanks21:24
marmoutewhat's the context ?21:24
mgedminand what's the literal translation?  "network without wires"?21:24
marmouteWireless network21:24
sp3000it's sort of describing a precondition or recommendation for something21:25
sp3000the context implies it wants to mean wifi, I was curious to know if it actually did :)21:25
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* mgedmin meant word-by-word when he said literal21:25
sp3000(specifically as opposed to cellular afaict)21:25
* mgedmin wanted to know what 'reseau' and 'fil' meant21:26
* mgedmin got his answers from google translate now21:26
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* lcuk shivers21:41
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tripzerolcuk, cold?21:44
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mneptoktripzero: no, someone just walked over his grave in the future21:50
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lcuktripzero, not really just took a swig of cold beer21:50
lcukmneptok, name sounds nivenish21:50
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mneptoklcuk: it may, but it's straight outta my own head.21:51
* mneptok has never read any Niven21:51
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* lcuk ponders21:55
lcukmneptok, you are missing out21:55
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mneptoklcuk: "I Missed Out" is the working title of my memoirs21:56
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lcukand my memory is a bit wonky, after extensive searching, it was Phssthpok who I was mixing you up with :P21:57
lcukmneptok, nahh you have never missed out, you just arrive late to the party21:57
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* lcuk hunts for a command line github repository constructor21:58
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luke-jrhttp://pastebin.ca/190953022:01
luke-jrlcuk: boo github22:01
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lcukluke-jr, huh?22:02
luke-jrlcuk: github ftl22:02
lcukwhat do you recommend then22:03
luke-jrGitorious22:03
SpeedEvilhttp://github.com/blog/473-hi-xkcd github has all sorts of special subsections22:03
lcuki have accounts there too22:03
luke-jrGithub is proprietary22:03
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lcukluke-jr, its not a problem as long as they maintain and run it as a service22:05
lcukdo you have a facebook account btw?22:05
luke-jrlcuk: that excuse flies for all software; I guess we don't need open soure22:05
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luke-jrsource*22:05
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lcukluke-jr, given equals, i would HAPPILY take 1 developer knowledgable and happy working within a closed source project than having to pick through an unsupported block of OSS and having to work out whats wrong.   the rules change when there is no support and the project is mothballed however22:07
luke-jrGitorious is unsupported now?22:08
lcukno, but thats my take on closed sourceness :) github has an active team around it, hence to me its a decent environment22:08
lcukand its just using my git data which is not going anywhere22:08
luke-jruntil they fold, or get bored, or whatever ☺22:09
luke-jror decide a feature you want isn't interesting22:09
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lcukgit push newhost >>22:09
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lcukmeh22:09
luke-jrbut then you have to reimplement everything about Github you liked22:09
luke-jr22:09
luke-jrlcuk: test my GPS app :p22:11
lcukwhere is the git repo22:12
luke-jrit has none22:12
luke-jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 is a blob ☺22:12
lcuki thought you said you have gitorious22:12
lcuk/kick luke-jr22:13
luke-jrnot for that :p22:13
luke-jreventually I hope to get it integrated to gpsd22:13
lcukBLOB22:13
lcukyou?22:13
slonopotamusmwahaha22:13
lcuki thought it was against your religion22:13
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luke-jrlcuk: well, I might have posted the source, but you just said a blob is ok as long as I maintain it22:13
* slonopotamus highfives luke-jr 22:14
luke-jrlcuk: actually, closed source is only against my religion if I pay for the software22:14
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lcuksure, lemme pay you and get a warranty and stuff22:14
luke-jrand even then, it is a mere theological conclusion, not a binding authoritative teaching22:14
lcukand i want a damned box and some instructions22:14
lcukso i can post unboxing videos :P22:14
luke-jrlcuk: chmod +x and run it22:14
luke-jrideally without any Maemo stuff using GPS22:15
lcuknope22:15
slonopotamuslcuk: software warranty? are you kidding?22:15
lcuksure slonopotamus !22:16
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slonopotamuslcuk: what warranty do you have for maemo?22:16
luke-jrnot even Microsoft or Apple have warranties!22:16
SpeedEvilluke-jr: what's this GPS app do?22:16
slonopotamusluke-jr: i hope lcuk doesn't have those22:16
lcukslonopotamus, i dont buy maemo standalone do i22:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: starts the GPS chip, and dumps its output in realtime to stdout22:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: and stops the GPS chip when you ctrl-c22:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: does it require any software state?22:17
luke-jrSpeedEvil: Maemo cannot be using the GPS itself22:17
luke-jror it could, but the start/stop bits might cause it to go crazy22:17
luke-jrand require a reboot22:17
luke-jrit doesnt' support AGPS, so if you haven't used GPS recently, it will take a while22:18
luke-jr(dumping the interim details while you wait ofc)22:18
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SpeedEvilWould a - say - 3 hour log of two side-by-side n900s, one running your thingy, one running a GPX logger be useful?22:18
luke-jrno, I think it's pretty much done22:18
SpeedEvilk22:18
luke-jrjust needs integration22:18
SpeedEvilyou've decoded all of the bits?22:19
luke-jrthere's a few bytes I don't know what they're for, but I have at least all the info Maemo provides with liblocation ☺22:19
SpeedEvil:)22:19
SpeedEvilneat.22:19
luke-jrincluding satellite data22:19
luke-jrand cell tower info22:19
luke-jractually, there is an incomplete part still…22:20
luke-jrthe start/stop commands22:20
luke-jrI don't know how those work yet22:20
luke-jr22:20
SpeedEvil✈☺22:20
luke-jr22:20
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SpeedEvil‫This UTF will never catch on.22:21
luke-jr22:21
ShadowJKUTF−8 forever :)22:22
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luke-jrShadowJK: don't do that -.-22:22
ShadowJKWhy not?22:22
luke-jrthose characters aren't in my font22:23
ShadowJKThey're even latin22:23
luke-jrthey're deprecated I bet22:23
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ShadowJKnot sure, they render as double-width on my machine22:23
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SpeedEvil˙ʍou pǝɹoq22:24
luke-jrShadowJK: well that doesn't exactly make sense in a fixed-width font122:24
luke-jr!22:25
ShadowJKlol22:25
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mgedminluke-jr, double-width fixed-font characters are perfectly cromulent22:35
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* mgedmin ♥ UTF-822:36
esaym153utf has a nazi sign in it22:37
mgedminI wonder which preexisting charsets had that22:38
luke-jresaym153: what is a nazi sign?22:39
luke-jrI didn't realize they had anything original22:39
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papertigersi am looking to get started with maemo development, anyone know the best place to buy an n90022:44
slonopotamuspapertigers: you don't need n900 in order to develop.22:44
_llll_get a decent contract and it will be free22:44
lcukpapertigers, theres a $1 deal somewhere!22:45
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papertigerssay what?22:45
papertigershah22:45
slonopotamusmore than that, official n900 software is useless for development22:45
lcukhttp://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/22/nokia-n900-flashing-egg/22:45
_llll_slonopotamus: real coders dont need to test?22:45
lcukreal coders use the internet to debug22:45
slonopotamus_llll_: they still need to compile.22:45
lcukwhat else is OSS for :p22:45
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lcukslonopotamus, not at all, use autobuilder22:46
slonopotamuslcuk: no dpkg-buildpackage on n900.22:46
luke-jr_llll_: lol yeah right22:46
papertigerslcuk: so now i wait for this to flash22:46
lcukslonopotamus, if dev hasnt got an n900 thats not an issue22:46
papertigershahaha22:46
luke-jr_llll_: you don't need a N900 to test22:47
slonopotamuspapertigers: you can write a waiting script22:47
luke-jrreal coders write apps that work on multiple platforms22:47
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luke-jrpapertigers: search Froogle?22:47
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slonopotamuspapertigers: or hack into source and check when/how it flashes and what does on click then.22:48
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lcukpapertigers, order from nokia if you are unsure22:49
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_llll_you dont need a computer to write, just carve your perfect code into stone and post it to nokia22:49
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slonopotamus_llll_: that's SO analog...22:49
crashanddiecat | gcc22:50
slonopotamuscrashanddie: no gcc on n900.22:50
crashanddiesure there is22:50
lcukapt-get install build-essential22:50
crashanddieapt-get install build-essential22:50
SpeedEvilslonopotamus: sure there is22:50
SpeedEvilapt-get install build-essential22:50
SpeedEviloh22:50
SpeedEvilsorry22:50
luke-jrE: Couldn't find package build-essential22:50
lcukand theres the hattrick22:50
SpeedEvilyou need the right repo22:50
lcukadd sdk tools repos22:50
luke-jrhow?22:51
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slonopotamusand get fun with deps and rootfs free space? :)22:51
slonopotamusluke-jr: add sdk repo, i guess.22:51
lcukslonopotamus, default flashed image now has over 100mb free22:51
SpeedEvilI personally copird / to /home/user/data/chroot - and then just ran apt-get there22:51
lcukbuild-essential at its worst is 80mb i believe22:51
papertigers$450 for a nwe one hmm22:51
lcukwith some extra lines in optify-boottime it could be less22:52
luke-jrmy / has 55 MB available22:52
* slonopotamus just uses gentoo chroot.22:52
* luke-jr too, but not all Gentoo binaries work on Maemo22:53
slonopotamusupdate libs in maemo via autobuilder.22:55
slonopotamusand ftw.22:55
papertigersthe n900 allows pygtk and pyqt right?22:57
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lcukyes22:57
slonopotamus(and it doesn't have rights to disallow anything)22:57
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maheris there a picture viewer that lets me browse by directory?22:58
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papertigersI was just wondering if they had python bindings for all the maemo stuff in general22:59
luke-jrno22:59
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papertigersluke-jr: was the no to me?23:00
luke-jryes23:00
cedapapertigers: yes (the no was for you). But there are quite a lot of bindings23:00
cedaI'm using them as we speak to write an app that launches a browser when you get connected to a network with a captive portal page23:01
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baraujopapertigers, you can see some of the available bindings here: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Components23:02
maherdo the people who develop sw for the n900 actually ever use it? if i open the picture view it shows me all 3G of pictures i put on it in one list of thumbnails - how do i browse by folder?23:02
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luke-jrmaher: folders are obsolete for photos23:02
luke-jreven before N90023:02
cedaluke-jr: mm, but the UI for photos and videos get pretty sluggish after a while :P23:03
maherluke-jr: wtf?23:03
luke-jrceda: it doesn't work at all for me anymore ☹23:04
cedait'd be better if it was paged (like digital cameras) and not a scroll list that is sooo long23:04
lcukpages pah23:05
lcukwimps23:05
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microlithI'd be happy if hildon-thumbnailer didn't kill device responsiveness :(23:06
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papertigersbaraujo: does doing pygtk use the look of maemos gtk?23:16
cedapapertigers: yes23:17
papertigersahh okay so its no different then23:17
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papertigersthen a pygtk app23:17
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cedabut there are additions to gtk, often call hildon23:17
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baraujopapertigers, pygtk is only a Python wrapper to gtk2, the functionality is the same23:18
papertigersceda: no hildon bindings?23:18
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baraujopapertigers, python-hildon :)23:18
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cedapapertigers: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo23:21
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cedaand http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UI_tutorial23:21
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papertigersceda: thanks23:22
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cedapapertigers: and also http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ which contains a listing of all python bindings available23:26
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DocScrutinizerwelcome back everybody23:27
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SpeedEvilIRC is composed of several interconnected servers. Users connect to one or other server, andthe servers pretend they're really one big server.23:29
SpeedEvilUnless they don't.23:29
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lcukplease remain seated with your tray tables in the upright position23:31
lcukin the event of a netsplit - place your head between your knees and hands over your head23:31
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lcukNote, the seatbelt light is ON.  please fasten your seatbelt23:31
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lcukand extinguish cigarettes23:31
papertigershmm i want a n900 to write a nice media player app23:31
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lcukpapertigers, show some initiative23:32
lcukand put your name down on the developer loans list23:32
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ieatlint papertigers: if you can get one to do it, i'll be thoroughly impressed23:32
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MohammadAG51someone go into #freenode and tell them to fix their shit23:32
lcukwith as much outline and reasoning and perhaps mockup of what you want to do23:32
lcukthey know23:32
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papertigerslcuk: where is that, and how likely is it23:32
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lcukpapertigers,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue23:33
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lcukits an option if you atre unable to obtain a device, though is usually only to developers who have shown lots of personal development initiative themselves and really do need one23:34
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papertigersprobably not worth it for me23:35
lcukpapertigers, :) it is an option however.  theres plenty of places to get a device from23:35
papertigerslcuk: I just need to raise the money myself I guess23:36
papertigersI plan on writing a media player to interface with ampache23:36
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DocScrutinizer([2010-07-27 22:32:39] <MohammadAG51> someone go into #freenode and tell them ) no use in it, chan is +m and /ns is offline ;-P23:41
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lcukwhats +m ?23:41
marmoutelcuk: moderated23:42
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hajMohammadAG51: hey, that hildon-desktop you made that fixes the incoming call glitch... I guess that only works with 4 home views?23:42
lcukpeople talk in there without restriction?23:42
lcukMohammadAG51, talk to me tomorrow about this HD patch23:43
hajlcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54556&page=1123:43
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MohammadAG51lcuk, latest commit in gitorious23:49
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MohammadAG51it's just a backport23:49
lcukMohammadAG51, i know that23:49
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lcuktechnically MohammadAG51 the latest commit in hildon-desktop official is by me23:50
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hajMohammadAG51: but about that max number of home views.. it's only 4 in that fixed version yes? I just got used to having 5 ;)23:51
MohammadAG51haj, the +4 thingy is part of modified-hildon-desktop23:53
MohammadAG51contact Matan about that23:53
MohammadAG51lcuk, yep :)23:53
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