| famicom | or crap like activesync, etc etc etc | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: you might want to study http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles | 00:00 |
| famicom | i wnat something that will play nice with my linux netbooks and linux based servers | 00:00 |
| LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, already was there | 00:00 |
| LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, I want to see a version of an already "supported" profile | 00:01 |
| famicom | even if it means having to do some serious bash-fu | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: sorry, no idea | 00:01 |
| LiraNuna | no problem | 00:01 |
| LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, what version of AVRCP N900 has? | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wasn't aware it has at all | 00:02 |
| LiraNuna | as a part of A2DP | 00:03 |
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| LiraNuna | A2DP relies on it | 00:03 |
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| LiraNuna | there we go, sdptool browse | 00:04 |
| LiraNuna | Service Name: AVRCP TG | 00:05 |
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| ShadowJK | LiraNuna, sdptool browse | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 00:13 |
| LiraNuna | :P | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | you discovered | 00:13 |
| LiraNuna | well, it doesn't tell me version, just what profil | 00:13 |
| LiraNuna | I'm guessing 1.0 as my car stereo can't get the currently playing song name | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that could be player app fault though, no? | 00:17 |
| LiraNuna | on what side? car stereo or N900's Media Player | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, would you use A"DP to scp media to your car audio's player? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui your car audio is a giant headset in this scenario | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so no player involved on car side | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | Well A2DP+AVRCP is on the same level of complexity as a media player :-) | 00:21 |
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| LiraNuna | it would be splendid to get 1.3 working, 1.0 is working great | 00:26 |
| LiraNuna | and even pressing play starts the media player | 00:26 |
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| LiraNuna | yep, | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | Profile Descriptor List: "AV Remote" (0x110e) Version: 0x0100 | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | version 1.0 :( | 00:48 |
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| AlMehdi | Does someone here understand how to repartition? I got stuck on the PR1.2 way of repartitioning.. the old way from the wiki doesn't work. | 01:40 |
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| AlMehdi | I want to increase the /home partiton. I got the partition table finished.. I am just little unsure of the procedure. | 01:46 |
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| cehteh | mhm how can one run out of space on /home ? install all possible apps? | 01:52 |
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| AlMehdi | When i made my backup it was 4 gig | 01:54 |
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| cehteh | default is 2gig | 01:56 |
| AlMehdi | I know.. thus i want to repartition again | 01:56 |
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| AlMehdi | Don't need vfat so much.. just for camera | 01:57 |
| cehteh | i only changed mydocs and mmc1 .. home should be doable but i didnt read the wiki page just be creative :) .. the problem is that you have to shutdown anythnig which has files open there to be able to repartition | 01:58 |
| cehteh | i have ext4 .. for camera too | 01:58 |
| AlMehdi | ohhh :) | 01:58 |
| AlMehdi | is that possible? | 01:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | hi | 01:58 |
| AlMehdi | would love ext4 | 01:58 |
| cehteh | yes .. but well .. if you dont know how then better dont try | 01:59 |
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| cehteh | and you dont need to repartition or change /home .. the MyDocs is mounted inside there | 01:59 |
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| FIQ|n900 | the UI only let's me to format my SD card to VFAT, i would prefer having it as ext3. Trying to umount it success, but mkfs.ext3 still think it's mounted. Checking in file manager actually shows the card, but the size info doesn't make sense. What am I doing wrong? | 02:00 |
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| AlMehdi | i know | 02:01 |
| cehteh | the worse you cant just reformat you have to change a lot stuff | 02:01 |
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| AlMehdi | damn.. it was so easy last time :( | 02:01 |
| Macer | does nokia allow the nit-droid guys access to the same blobs that meego is getting? | 02:01 |
| cehteh | because the nokia scripts mount the first found ext3 as /home and the first found vfat as MyDocs | 02:01 |
| Macer | meaning. can they use the linux hal of android and just kind of plug the blobs into it to get the hardware working? or does nokia discourage that? | 02:02 |
| cehteh | you have to deal with this scripts .. fixing them, or just disabling them and write your own mount stuff | 02:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | (the file info shows that the card size is 227MB, 177MB used, 50MB free while "ls -l" in /media shows a "mmc1" that's 160B) | 02:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | while the card actually is 16GB | 02:02 |
| cehteh | Macer: the n900 kernel is untainted ... anyone who has a n900 has the license to use this blobs | 02:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | The problem goes away if i remount it, but why this behaviour? | 02:03 |
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| AlMehdi | that is how i got the table setup.. first vfat then ext3 and last swap. But when i rebooted i got into a reboot loop | 02:04 |
| cehteh | yes you have to fix the scripts | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | its not the usual mount -a mounting anything from fstab | 02:05 |
| AlMehdi | if i flash the PR1.1 would i get the PR1.2 OTA? | 02:05 |
| cehteh | this sux a bit you have to figure that stuff out | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | why dont you flash 1.2? | 02:05 |
| kerio | famicom: the system is fully read-write, no ROMs here | 02:05 |
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| kerio | expect a sometimes quirky and inconsistant UI, pretty much like linux on desktop | 02:06 |
| AlMehdi | i have.. but last time i partitioned i had PR1.1.. | 02:06 |
| kerio | apart from that, it's great | 02:06 |
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| famicom | kerio thanks | 02:06 |
| cehteh | huh .. flashed the wrong image? | 02:06 |
| AlMehdi | Now with PR1.2 the reboot loop comes with the same precedure | 02:06 |
| famicom | and it can't be any worse than windows mobile | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | AlMehdi: as far as repartitioning, I just changed sizes and positions, and left the partition table numbered the same | 02:07 |
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| cehteh | you need to flash emmc too when you fucked up the partitioning of the emmc of ocurse | 02:07 |
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| cehteh | and you loose all your date .. if you dont have already :P | 02:07 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: if the nokia scripts wouldnt be that stupid only | 02:08 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: ? | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: it worked fine for me | 02:08 |
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| cehteh | when you change the filesystem type its fucked up | 02:09 |
| cehteh | just repartitioning may work ... | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | I didn't :p | 02:09 |
| cehteh | :) | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | I left the existing partition table alone, except for sizes and positions | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | after I changed those, I just tacked on my own at the end :P | 02:09 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: i have tested with centos and freeswitch, the results were similar to gentoo. crap sip performance. | 02:11 |
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| luke-jr | told you XD | 02:12 |
| AlMehdi | luke-jr: so you just "sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk0 > table", edited the table and then "sfdisk --no-reread /dev/mmcblk0 < table" | 02:12 |
| trumee | luke-jr: also, i was wrong about 3g, i get poor performance with 3g too | 02:12 |
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| luke-jr | AlMehdi: basically | 02:12 |
| trumee | luke-jr: so i think it might be that N900 is at fault | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | trumee: oh, that changes everything | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | trumee: no, N900 works fine for me | 02:13 |
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| AlMehdi | hmm.. that is what i do. But when i reboot it gets into a loop | 02:13 |
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| kerio | famicom: i mean, you can install and boot fremantle (maemo 5) from a microsd | 02:13 |
| luke-jr | trumee: this new development with 3G means it's your Asterisk/FreeSWITCH config or system | 02:13 |
| kerio | or meego | 02:13 |
| kerio | or android | 02:13 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i have virgin install of centos and freeswitch | 02:13 |
| trumee | luke-jr: it works flawless with Linksys ATA. | 02:14 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i will wander on the street where i have a better 3g signal to test again | 02:14 |
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| trumee | i want to do a tcpdump over usb0 but it gives an error | 02:15 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: do you use your own pbx? | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | trumee: yes | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SIP isn't easy to debug THAT way. Maybe ATA using G711a codec while N900 for sure using something much more complex and lower bandwidth | 02:23 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i made sure both ATA and N900 use PCMU codec | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so why don't you simply dissect and analyze network traffic on your PBX freeswitch (whatever that is), using e.g wireshark? (strongly recommend) | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you'll see whatever the diffs are between ATA and N900 | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter if it's packet loss, jitter, or diferent session negotiation, wireshark will show you | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | once you know where the diffs are, you probably got a decent clue about how to tackle it | 02:28 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: i have the same shitty experience over usb. | 02:32 |
| smhar | I want to learn to develop in qt for N900, and maybe python too, which one should I install and use: qt sdk or maemo sdk? | 02:33 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i want to capture a trace and update bug report #10388. | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine! so what now? | 02:33 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: sorry missed you posts | 02:34 |
| Jartza | smhar: qt sdk is easier to install at least | 02:34 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i should run wireshark on PBX rather than N900? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, why not? | 02:34 |
| trumee | that is a good thought. | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, only there you can compare ATA to N900, no? | 02:35 |
| smhar | I have debian so I think thing the other will be too difficult? what other difference other than ease of installation? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you say on N900 you can't even get tcpdump to work | 02:35 |
| trumee | i cannot use tcpdump for usb0, it works fine for wlan0 | 02:36 |
| smhar | I am googling this but can not seem to find a comparison between the two SDKs | 02:37 |
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| luke-jr | smhar: Maemo SDK probably has cross-compiler etc | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: none of both is suitable for python aiui | 02:38 |
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| Jartza | smhar: maemo sdk utilises scratchbox and is more complete maemo-distribution, but requires more components to be installed | 02:38 |
| Jartza | smhar: and qt sdk provides a simulator which just simulated maemo look'n'feel | 02:39 |
| Jartza | of course I'm just simplifying | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | still is not the right environment for pyQt | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | none of both | 02:40 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: tcpdump on PBX will reflect jitter on N900? | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: check out this fine tutorial: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/eventsandsignals/ | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: if your PBX gets jittery signal from UA then you'll see when tracing traffic with wireshark | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: if the signal arriving at PBX has no jitter, then where's the problem? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui your issues are 'upstream', means far end has bad sound | 02:42 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: No i am simply calling to the voicemail of the PBX. | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if N900 has bad sound, then probably tracing traffic on sender side PBX won't reveal jitter problems of the line to N900 | 02:43 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, thanks | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: he's tried multiple lines | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | including USBnet directly N900 to PBX | 02:44 |
| smhar | Jartza, so If I use the maemo sdk I will get no simulator? | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | and also including my known-good N900 over the internet | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mhm, and what was the jitter on each of them, what was the packet loss, whicg details had SDP? | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pretty sure no packet loss from here | 02:45 |
| luke-jr | at least none MTR is picking up | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, go on swapping random parts and jumping clockwise or counter.. on one feet until you think you spotted the problem | 02:45 |
| Jartza | smhar: using maemo sdk you're using real X server (xephyr for instance) and real application framework | 02:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 02:45 | |
| Jartza | smhar: that's also kind of simulator, but "more real" :) | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and real C | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no pyQt | 02:46 |
| smhar | Jartza, sound like the maemo sdk wins | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well you *could* | 02:46 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, c or qt which is c++? | 02:46 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, well I think for python I will use something else | 02:47 |
| Jartza | I personally like maemo sdk more, but it's just that I'm more of a command-line-guy :) | 02:47 |
| smhar | Jartza, so maemo sdk is more command-line and qt sdk is more gui? | 02:48 |
| Jartza | maemo sdk doesn't include an ide | 02:48 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, can you suggest a pyqt platform? | 02:48 |
| Jartza | you can use ide if you wish, but you have to install it separately | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pyqt runs in any shell | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | just start the "sorce"-file, like bash script | 02:49 |
| Jartza | at least eclipse is possible | 02:49 |
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| smhar | Jartza, so how do you develop? use qt designer and qt creator ? | 02:49 |
| Jartza | I use gedit and command-line :) | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't work with python, but meh | 02:50 |
| Jartza | and sometimes designer too to create at least a base to work on | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt designer is creating pseudo c++ code sniplets | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | really hard to integrate with python | 02:51 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, I already installed pygtkeditor in N900, and I have drpython on my debian | 02:51 |
| Jartza | designer creates xml | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jartza: ok, maybe it's qmake then | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that transforms them to c++ | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of a way to transform to python though | 02:52 |
| Jartza | nope | 02:52 |
| Jartza | it's uic | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | right | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I remember | 02:53 |
| Jartza | and for python you have pyuic4 | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | neat | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 02:53 |
| Jartza | I don,t think it's any harder than with C++ :) | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jartza: thanks for educating me :-) | 02:54 |
| Lanta | hey totally off topic question :) if someone was to use the phrase "9 root 2" they're basically saying the square root of 9 right? | 02:54 |
| smhar | leave python for now and let us see how to do the qt part. so with maemo sdk, I need to rely on other 'command-line' tools to create the actual code then simulate on the host computer then compile and transfer. is this correct? what about the qt sdk? | 02:54 |
| Jartza | http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Creating_GUI_Applications_with_PyQt_and_Qt_Designer | 02:54 |
| Jartza | smhar: with maemo sdk you create usually 2 "targets" for sscratchbox | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: Qt isn't creating programs, it's just to create objects (mostly gfx obj) for you, and you need a *real* prog language to use them. This can be either Python or C++ | 02:56 |
| Jartza | one for x86 and one for arm | 02:56 |
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| Jartza | when you run the apps on your pc you compile and run and debug them in x86 target | 02:56 |
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| Jartza | and when you finally want to compile the app to n900 you switch to arm target (and cross-compiler) | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | moot for python | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as python isn't exactly compiled | 02:57 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, Jartza, I only have experience with Visual Basic, Delphi -Object Pascal- and little php, so forgive my ignorance and newbieism | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | (leave alone JIT-compiler) | 02:58 |
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| timeless | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/9_root_2_add_5_root_3 | 02:59 |
| Jartza | smhar: that's ok :) | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, with VB you have a good example. Qt is the windows designer in VB, and you still need some real language you write the code in and that can be Python or C++ (or a lot of others) for Qt, and for VB it's VB sourcecode | 02:59 |
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| Jartza | smhar: but I do suggest learning at least C++ basics before jumping into Qt as it's the "native" lang for Qt | 03:00 |
| Jartza | http://maemo.org/development/training/ | 03:00 |
| timeless | delphi is better as an example | 03:01 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i am going back to gentoo, centos wasnt very useful! | 03:01 |
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| Jartza | there's some documents I wrote for Nokia with my colleague | 03:01 |
| timeless | qt's designer is like a designer | 03:01 |
| timeless | but qt is like vcl | 03:01 |
| luke-jr | trumee: told you | 03:01 |
| Jartza | although they are mostly for GTK+ but it also covers basic knowledge about maemo and installing the SDK | 03:01 |
| timeless | which you could use w/ delphi or c++builder or kylix | 03:02 |
| smhar | timeless, and I loved delphi way better than VB anyway :-) | 03:02 |
| trumee | luke-jr: if only the Nokia dev could respond. He has stopped communicating. | 03:02 |
| timeless | trumee? | 03:03 |
| trumee | timeless: yes | 03:03 |
| Jartza | smhar: check at least the getting started and maybe technology overview from the link | 03:03 |
| timeless | what issue/area/dev? | 03:03 |
| trumee | timeless: bug 10388, sip, Mikhail Zabaluev | 03:04 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 03:04 |
| Jartza | we spent a lot of time creating those documents. I'm not sure if anyone ever read those :) | 03:04 |
| smhar | seems I have a lot of reading to do even before I instal an sdk , petty , I wanted to get a feel :-) | 03:04 |
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| Jartza | smhar: read those docs, install the maemo sdk. it's a nice way to learn. | 03:05 |
| Jartza | for easy way, just instgall the qt sdk and start with some qt tutorial :) | 03:05 |
| smhar | Jartza, there should be a page with development information as wiki linked from the main maemo.org | 03:05 |
| Jartza | that was the original plan | 03:05 |
| Jartza | actually first to have those self/course training materials with their own wiki page with community add-ons | 03:06 |
| Jartza | but when Qt came, forum nokia took over the process of providing the training materials... and... well... they sucked at it :( | 03:07 |
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| Jartza | now the information is scattered here and there | 03:08 |
| Jartza | it sometimes pisses me off as we really spent months writing that training material :) | 03:08 |
| Jartza | I'd love to create same kind of training material for maemo/meego with qt but unfortunately I can't afford to use my time for that now :( | 03:10 |
| smhar | there should be an effort to gather those information to help push the development for N900. I have several ideas for different application for N900 that I want to start ranging from games to utilities but I am spending too much time and effort gathering the information from here and google just to start starting | 03:10 |
| Jartza | ...or maybe even better | 03:10 |
| timeless | please note that nokianstend to take the month of july off.. | 03:11 |
| Jartza | and I also love teaching | 03:12 |
| Jartza | I've actually trained over 200 nokians to Qt programming basics :) | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | 'It reads the manual, or it gets the hose again'. | 03:14 |
| smhar | Jartza, can you add another one? I can wait tell end of july :-) | 03:14 |
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| Jartza | hehe | 03:14 |
| timeless | a whole week? wow, how patient of you | 03:14 |
| Jartza | ask nokia? :) | 03:14 |
| Jartza | they're paying for it. that's how I make my living... | 03:15 |
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| * timeless is glad to hear jartza is being paid for his efforts | 03:16 | |
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| Jartza | me too | 03:16 |
| Jartza | :) | 03:16 |
| smhar | Jartza, so how to apply? | 03:16 |
| Jartza | mostly nokians apply through learning center | 03:17 |
| Jartza | and learning center buys the course from someone. not necessarily from me. | 03:18 |
| Jartza | although I also sell courses to other companies than nokia too. | 03:18 |
| Jartza | personal training I haven't tried yet, usually there's at least 3 attendants :) | 03:19 |
| Jartza | I tend to be much cheaper than the bigger training-houses :) | 03:20 |
| Jartza | also some universities in finland have also bought me to train maemo-qt | 03:21 |
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| smhar | so does it cost me anything to apply through Nokia's learning center? | 03:22 |
| Jartza | no if you work for nokia? :) | 03:22 |
| Jartza | It's only for nokians | 03:23 |
| * timeless chuckle | 03:23 | |
| * timeless chuckles | 03:23 | |
| timeless | it's billed to our cost centers | 03:23 |
| Jartza | yes | 03:23 |
| timeless | but the cost is living here in finland | 03:23 |
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| timeless | it*s raining right now.. | 03:23 |
| Jartza | I travel too :) | 03:24 |
| timeless | (and i don"t have a jacket) | 03:24 |
| Jartza | I've trained people in boston, vancouver and bangalore too :) | 03:24 |
| timeless | oh sure, you could live in olou | 03:24 |
| timeless | or tampere | 03:24 |
| timeless | that's much better | 03:24 |
| Jartza | I live in nummi-pusula :) | 03:25 |
| smhar | :-( | 03:25 |
| timeless | oh wait, tyat's still finland but w/ less nightlife | 03:25 |
| timeless | the food shops probably close @10p | 03:25 |
| smhar | it is hot here, night time now, but it reaches more than 45 degrees noon time in a good day | 03:25 |
| Jartza | it's countryside. peace and quiet. | 03:25 |
| * timeless just grabbed dinner shortly after 3a | 03:25 | |
| smhar | 3:30am | 03:26 |
| Jartza | the nearest store is 10km away :) | 03:26 |
| trumee | timeless, i hope i get a response after july then | 03:26 |
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| timeless | trumee: so.. | 03:26 |
| timeless | afaict most of our code is in gst upstream git | 03:26 |
| Jartza | smhar: so, mostly the company buys me to come to train from 3 up to 15 persons at a time | 03:27 |
| Jartza | and we organize 3 to 5 days course | 03:27 |
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| trumee | timeless: you work for Nokia? | 03:27 |
| timeless | in theory you could probably generate your own | 03:27 |
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| smhar | unlucky me :-( so my only training is reading, forums and irc channels :-) | 03:27 |
| trumee | timeless: in theory :) | 03:27 |
| timeless | trumee: either that or i pretend to talk like a nokian for fun | 03:27 |
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| Jartza | I used to work for nokia, but now I'm just an private entrepreneur | 03:28 |
| trumee | timeless: isnt Nokia lucky to have community buy their devices and do testing for them :p | 03:28 |
| timeless | ... | 03:29 |
| timeless | luckier than apple who skips testing altogether? | 03:29 |
| Jartza | smhar: well if you don't have any company to pay your course, then I would suggest irc, tutorials and books :/ | 03:29 |
| timeless | but look at it this way.. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: even reverse engineering :-P | 03:29 |
| timeless | the source is open | 03:30 |
| timeless | so you're actually testing and contributing to open source | 03:30 |
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| timeless | while you keep a mostly working product | 03:30 |
| Jartza | smhar: or ask some local universities if they're organizing an open course | 03:30 |
| Jartza | like they did in finland, in jyväskylä | 03:31 |
| timeless | and nokia takes the money you paid to employ people who work on that open source software | 03:31 |
| Jartza | the course participants only had to pay like 40 euros for the 4 day course | 03:31 |
| trumee | timeless: dont get me started on that. I bought N900 mainly for its sip capabilities, and still after 3 months of buying it i have not been able to make one decent call. | 03:31 |
| timeless | anyway.. | 03:32 |
| trumee | timeless: if i knew this i would have NEVER bought a N900. My N95 rocks with sip calls. | 03:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 03:32 | |
| timeless | it looks like the 'plan' is to add some QoS markers to the packets | 03:32 |
| trumee | timeless: now you are talking :) | 03:32 |
| timeless | i've had fairly good sip experience w/ my n900 since december or so | 03:33 |
| timeless | until this month | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: netfilters | 03:33 |
| timeless | i suspect my sip carrier (nokia) did something stupid :( | 03:33 |
| Jartza | but still. would be nice to do some online-training too but unfortunately I can't afford that :( | 03:33 |
| Jartza | not for free. as training is buying my bread atm. | 03:34 |
| trumee | timeless: so is there work being carried out for that bug (10388)? | 03:34 |
| timeless | trumee: is your sip inbound a phone number or an address? | 03:34 |
| trumee | timeless: an address. | 03:34 |
| smhar | thanks every body.. need to sleep now, tomorrow I have lots of reading to do :-) | 03:34 |
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| timeless | there was vaguely useful chatter through june | 03:35 |
| trumee | timeless: i am happy to setup an extension for your if you want to try. | 03:35 |
| timeless | yeah, i'd like to try | 03:35 |
| trumee | timeless: i have tried both asterisk and freeswitch, with the same result | 03:35 |
| timeless | in theory i have an ekiga account here | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: how does that make any diff? | 03:35 |
| Jartza | hmm. should I sleep too. | 03:35 |
| timeless | but i haven't managed to use it | 03:35 |
| timeless | docs: which? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | addr vs number | 03:36 |
| timeless | i'm offering "one good call" | 03:36 |
| timeless | oh, if it's a number, i'd just call it w/ my nokia sip | 03:36 |
| timeless | if it's an address, i'm not sure nokia sip has an interface for that | 03:36 |
| timeless | which means trying ekiga | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, n900 sip client too stupid to call direct sip addresses | 03:37 |
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| timeless | sorry, by nokia sip, i mean that's my carrier | 03:37 |
| timeless | like ekiga | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ekiga, pff | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | twinkle ftw | 03:38 |
| timeless | not nokia sip like the stack/software | 03:38 |
| luke-jr | lol | 03:38 |
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| Jartza | oh well. g'nite everyone | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway QoA can easily be handled outside UA | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | QoS | 03:41 |
| timeless | please keep in mind that i'm a browser guy | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's mostly useless nowadays anyway | 03:42 |
| timeless | i only use sip and laugh @QoS | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | timeless: so I should rant about MicroB needing SOCKS support? ;) | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | carriers do their own homegrown priorizing | 03:42 |
| timeless | luke: gecko supports socks | 03:43 |
| timeless | try pac? | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | timeless: pac? wtf? | 03:43 |
| timeless | proxy auto config | 03:43 |
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| luke-jr | ... | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | it's too late anyway | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | I used iptables to socksify it | 03:45 |
| timeless | trumee: second playback was ok | 03:47 |
| timeless | but there's some loss from the automated lady | 03:47 |
| trumee | timeless: did you have any breaks/gaps? | 03:47 |
| timeless | gaps i guess | 03:47 |
| trumee | timeless: yes, that is the issue | 03:47 |
| timeless | interesting | 03:47 |
| timeless | i'm using 3.5g fwiw | 03:47 |
| trumee | timeless: with N95 or a Linksys ATA the voice is smooth like butter | 03:48 |
| trumee | timeless: you dont have access to wifi? | 03:48 |
| timeless | brb | 03:48 |
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| timeless | kinda hard to use wifi while walking home from food.. | 03:49 |
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| timeless | besides, your bug blamed powersaving | 03:49 |
| timeless | which afaiu is a wifi thing | 03:49 |
| trumee | yes, but i have tested with usbnet and i have the same issues | 03:50 |
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| trumee | that bug is incorrect. it is not a PSM issue | 03:50 |
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| timeless | you didn't mention that in the bug | 03:50 |
| trumee | atleast the bug i have here is not related to psm | 03:50 |
| timeless | silly reporter, withholding valuable info | 03:50 |
| trumee | :) | 03:50 |
| trumee | i checked with usbnet today | 03:50 |
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| trumee | but if you read the last comment i did mention that PSM is not an issue. i did some tcpdump traces and sent it to Mikhail. | 03:51 |
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| timeless | yeah the internal | 03:51 |
| trumee | unfortunately, tcpdump doesnt work with usbnet. so i cant get the traces for that | 03:52 |
| timeless | had some hint it might not be psm | 03:52 |
| timeless | but the summary still says psm | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: tcpdump the other side | 03:52 |
| timeless | wait.. | 03:52 |
| trumee | timeless: good to know that | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: both sides are usbnet :) | 03:52 |
| timeless | does this lady actually list numbers? | 03:52 |
| timeless | i hear her say "to listen to new messages press (nothing)" | 03:52 |
| timeless | i hear her say "to listen to saved messages press (nothing)" | 03:53 |
| timeless | ... | 03:53 |
| trumee | packets are dropping for you. | 03:53 |
| timeless | ok | 03:53 |
| trumee | The audio should be continous. | 03:53 |
| timeless | it's odd that they're always *those* packets | 03:53 |
| luke-jr | timeless: it's not always those; I listened to it loop a few times and other parts dropped out | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | my guess is that it's at the start of a new recording | 03:54 |
| timeless | since this is easy for you to trigger w/ her, is there any reason you couldn't leave an account for testing? | 03:54 |
| timeless | luke: yeah it seems to be when samples change | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | hm! | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | maybe it's the recording files | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | and the N900 not liking something in the data | 03:55 |
| timeless | btw, my mbp is in for repairs so all i have is this n900 | 03:55 |
| timeless | and my other n900 | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | trumee: have you tested with an actual call? | 03:55 |
| timeless | well, and my g5 | 03:55 |
| * timeless was hoping to test w/ a live call | 03:55 | |
| timeless | speaking or listening to voicemail isn't really appealing | 03:56 |
| timeless | i mean.. her voice wasn't bad or anything, but.. | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | lol | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | timeless: what's your extension? :p | 03:56 |
| trumee | timeless: unfortunately, my partner will shoot me if the phone rings at 2 am :) | 03:56 |
| timeless | heh | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | trumee: timeless and I can chat then | 03:57 |
| timeless | poke me in +16 or so? | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | timeless: are you 3001? | 03:57 |
| timeless | but yeah if you can setup a bridge.. | 03:57 |
| timeless | s/setup/set up/ | 03:57 |
| infobot | timeless meant: but yeah if you can set up a bridge.. | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:57 |
| trumee | ok, let me setup a extension for timeless | 03:57 |
| timeless | 3001? | 03:57 |
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| trumee | yup, will do that. just a sec | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I'm extension 3000, so I figured you'd be 3001 | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | :p | 03:58 |
| timeless | hacking his service already? | 03:58 |
| * timeless is pleasantly surprised that the call was established at all | 03:59 | |
| luke-jr | no, I tested earlier | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | timeless: yeah, I had NAT issues when I setup my own SIP... | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | then DNS issues... :p | 04:00 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i dont see you registered | 04:00 |
| luke-jr | trumee: ... | 04:00 |
| timeless | ok, someone gets to talk me through setting up sip :) | 04:00 |
| luke-jr | my N900 is being very slow | 04:00 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i have setup 3001 for timeless | 04:01 |
| timeless | the last sip i set up was new year's eve (literally) | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | "Internet connection required" | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | F U N900 >:O | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | trumee: "Authentication failed" | 04:01 |
| timeless | luke: i've been meaning to fix that error | 04:02 |
| trumee | luke-jr: hmm. let me check that | 04:02 |
| timeless | it should say "account is not connected" | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | timeless: yes | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | timeless: or attempt regardless | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | SIP can work w/o an active registration | 04:02 |
| trumee | luke-jr: no your username and password are same as before | 04:02 |
| trumee | i can see timeless has now registered | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | seriously, my N900 is lagging like crazy | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | we keep getting disconnected O.o | 04:05 |
| timeless | 7s of audio isn't much | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I'm not hanging up | 04:05 |
| trumee | are you able to hear each other? | 04:05 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: until we get disconnected | 04:05 |
| timeless | i can hear the little one respond to me | 04:05 |
| timeless | with a question | 04:06 |
| timeless | very cute btw | 04:06 |
| trumee | no idea why you are getting disconnected | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | trumee: that's what asterisk -vvvvvvvvvr is for | 04:06 |
| timeless | heh | 04:06 |
| timeless | ok, got a network error for your sip | 04:06 |
| trumee | nothing in the log of freeswitch | 04:07 |
| trumee | give me a sec and i will setup extensions in asterisk | 04:07 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:06:17 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[2234]: opening of /usr/bin/rtcom-accounts-ui.launch took 9583 usec | 04:09 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:06:17 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** mc-client - Unrecognized presence `online' | 04:09 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:06:18 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** rtcom-accounts-ui - VALUE NOT FOUND | 04:09 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:06:18 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** rtcom-accounts-ui - VALUE NOT FOUND | 04:09 |
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| luke-jr | wtf? | 04:09 |
| * timeless admires that second line | 04:09 | |
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| luke-jr | trumee: meh, lemme test w/ FS again | 04:12 |
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| timeless | Jul 25 04:04:44 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2211]: GLIB WARNING ** default - bus_async_handler: got warning: Internal GStreamer error: clock problem. Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer. (gstbin.c(2308): gst_bin_do_latency_func (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/FsRtpConference:fsrtpconference0/GstBin:bin1: Failed to configure latency of 0:00:00.000000000) | 04:12 |
| trumee | luke-jr: you sure, i have rebooted into asterisk now? | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I don't care which, just let me talk to timeless :p | 04:13 |
| timeless | did you guys ever actually file a bug in bgo? | 04:13 |
| timeless | yeah, lemme talk to his lil' one :) | 04:13 |
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| luke-jr | :p | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | you might actually get to talk to the little one this time | 04:14 |
| timeless | jr jr? | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | last time was the 2 year old | 04:14 |
| trumee | sorry for both of you password is now abcd123 | 04:14 |
| trumee | limitation of my freepbx/* needs stronger passwords | 04:14 |
| trumee | i have setup extensions for you with the above password in asterisk | 04:15 |
| trumee | good to go. | 04:15 |
| * luke-jr wonders how long until cracklib starts indexing IRC logs and banning words found | 04:15 | |
| trumee | 3001 isnt registered yet | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | timeless: slowpoke | 04:16 |
| timeless | sorry, was in another window | 04:16 |
| trumee | ok, both up now | 04:16 |
| timeless | gell over? | 04:17 |
| timeless | s/g/f/ | 04:17 |
| infobot | timeless meant: fell over? | 04:17 |
| trumee | again? | 04:17 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:17:00 Nokia-N900 e-addressbook-factory[1173]: GLIB WARNING ** eds/tp - avatar_updated_cb at e-book-backend-tp-cl.c:1122: got AvatarUpdated for contact we don't know about (handle: 1) | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't work | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | brb | 04:18 |
| timeless | that's a cute error | 04:18 |
| ZZzzZzzz | . | 04:18 |
| timeless | oh yeah, this n900 seems to be running pr1.2 fwiw | 04:19 |
| trumee | timeless: you phone is registering and unregistering again and again | 04:19 |
| timeless | what should i do? | 04:19 |
| timeless | it's too cute to kick | 04:19 |
| trumee | http://www.pastebin.org/416387 | 04:20 |
| timeless | and i'm running out of personal computers :( | 04:20 |
| trumee | your 3g connection is flaky i guess | 04:20 |
| timeless | this is wifi | 04:21 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:20:58 Nokia-N900 osso-addressbook[1703]: GLIB WARNING ** libosso-abook - (osso-abook-avatar-cache.c:158):prune_n_items: runtime check failed: (queue_length != g_hash_table_size (priv->cached_images)) | 04:21 |
| timeless | i switched after i said "brb" | 04:21 |
| trumee | timeless: unregistered again | 04:22 |
| * timeless wonders why osso-addressbook is complaining | 04:22 | |
| trumee | timeless: i guess you need to set your keep alive period low | 04:22 |
| timeless | as a user, i don't have an address book window open.. | 04:23 |
| timeless | trumee: pretend i'm an end user | 04:23 |
| timeless | where do i go to change whatever? | 04:23 |
| trumee | timeless: in sip settings, Advanced. Keep alive period, set it to 30sec | 04:23 |
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| timeless | oh, 30s, not 1m | 04:24 |
| trumee | timeless: i guess lower will be better. | 04:25 |
| luke-jr | well guys, I have to go give my older 3 a bath | 04:25 |
| * timeless selects 30s | 04:25 | |
| luke-jr | so... back in 30 mins maybe? | 04:25 |
| timeless | it's 4:30am here | 04:25 |
| luke-jr | XD | 04:25 |
| timeless | i might be asleep | 04:25 |
| timeless | but that's doutful, tv to watch.. | 04:26 |
| luke-jr | heh | 04:26 |
| timeless | so poke me | 04:26 |
| trumee | timeless, luke-jr: i will have the extensions for you | 04:26 |
| trumee | but i might be asleep. but you dont need me. | 04:26 |
| timeless | trumee: connection still seems unhappy? | 04:26 |
| trumee | timeless: it is currently unregistered. | 04:27 |
| * timeless kicks it | 04:28 | |
| trumee | timeless: can you go offline on availability and online again. | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | trumee: does your PBX have a local firewall? | 04:28 |
| trumee | timeless: ok, it is registered now | 04:28 |
| trumee | luke-jr: no firewall here | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | not even modules loaded? | 04:28 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:27:57 Nokia-N900 osso-addressbook[1703]: GLIB WARNING ** libosso-abook - (osso-abook-avatar-cache.c:158):prune_n_items: runtime check failed: (queue_length != g_hash_table_size (priv->cached_images)) | 04:28 |
| timeless | Jul 25 04:28:02 Nokia-N900 last message repeated 117 times | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | oh well, bbiab | 04:28 |
| trumee | timeless: gone offline again | 04:28 |
| timeless | yeah, i see the green (!) | 04:29 |
| trumee | timeless: luke-jr connection alright though | 04:29 |
| timeless | this is the fp instead of asterisk? | 04:29 |
| trumee | no this is * | 04:29 |
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| timeless | why did it work before? | 04:30 |
| trumee | is your auto-dectect stun enabled? | 04:30 |
| timeless | yes | 04:30 |
| timeless | should it be? | 04:30 |
| trumee | yes, it should be | 04:30 |
| timeless | the only change i made was timeout=30s | 04:30 |
| trumee | previously (when you had a 7s call) it was in freeswitch | 04:31 |
| timeless | brb | 04:31 |
| timeless | 3.5g, no fw | 04:32 |
| trumee | hmm. it has registered now | 04:32 |
| trumee | you could try calling 904, it is an echo service | 04:32 |
| timeless | the wifi router i have here is fairly standard nokia issue to employees | 04:33 |
| timeless | sure | 04:33 |
| trumee | or *43 | 04:33 |
| trumee | timeless: no wonder N900 is buggy :p | 04:33 |
| timeless | 904 seems fine | 04:34 |
| trumee | timeless: yes, it is alright some times. | 04:34 |
| trumee | timeless: when the call craps out the solution is to put the call on hold and then it works fine for a few seconds | 04:35 |
| * timeless nods | 04:35 | |
| timeless | i did read the bug report ;p | 04:35 |
| trumee | timeless: so have the devs identified a solution? | 04:36 |
| timeless | trumee: i'll get the wifi router specs some other time | 04:36 |
| timeless | they only suggested adding qos markers | 04:37 |
| timeless | i guess they hoped that'd avoid the problem | 04:37 |
| trumee | timeless: also wondering whether mikhail updated the internal bug report with the second trace i sent him | 04:37 |
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| timeless | give me a rough "after date"? | 04:38 |
| trumee | timeless: unfortunately, i did not get acknowledgement from him, although u update the bug report | 04:38 |
| trumee | timeless: 2010-07-03 | 04:38 |
| timeless | nope | 04:38 |
| timeless | he might be on vacation | 04:39 |
| * timeless doesn't feel like asking outlook to schedule a meeting to verify this | 04:39 | |
| trumee | timeless: :) | 04:40 |
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| trumee | i know his facebook handle :) | 04:40 |
| timeless | so... | 04:41 |
| * timeless doesn't have fb | 04:41 | |
| * lcuk makes note not to drive 200 miles at end of a long day | 04:41 | |
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| timeless | kinda like trying to cycle from santa cruz back to santa clara after 7pm? | 04:42 |
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| trumee | Are there people outside nokia working on sip as well? There was somebody from collabora commenting on that bug report as well | 04:42 |
| timeless | doesn't work well | 04:42 |
| lcuk | timeless, 200 miles starting at 11pm | 04:42 |
| timeless | they work w/ us | 04:42 |
| lcuk | not good | 04:42 |
| lcuk | how far is the santa cruz route | 04:42 |
| timeless | olivier crete or such? | 04:43 |
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| trumee | timeless: your sip connection on 3g has been farely stable now | 04:43 |
| trumee | timeless: yes | 04:43 |
| timeless | the other way is 3:30 | 04:43 |
| timeless | i've never successfully returned from santa cruz | 04:44 |
| timeless | iirc | 04:44 |
| timeless | going down from santa clara is easy | 04:44 |
| * lcuk just left olivier i think | 04:44 | |
| lcuk | (since we were at collabora 5th birthday bash | 04:45 |
| timeless | gmaps says 4h 21m | 04:45 |
| timeless | 34.4mi | 04:46 |
| lcuk | cool, i just somehow managed to be home under the gmaps estimate :$ | 04:46 |
| lcuk | (for my journey) | 04:46 |
| timeless | the path seems familiar | 04:47 |
| timeless | anyway, cycling is best done in the morning | 04:47 |
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| timeless | or downhill | 04:48 |
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| timeless | not stuffed and tired uphill | 04:48 |
| lcuk | i had a mad cycle dash across cambridge and back last night | 04:48 |
| AlMehdi | I solved my partition problem. I reflashed to PR1.1 and then i partitioned like before. When i was done i just upgraded to PR1.2 OTA. | 04:48 |
| * timeless misses cycling | 04:48 | |
| * timeless misses cali | 04:49 | |
| lcuk | how long till you are back there? | 04:49 |
| lcuk | or is it at your descretion? | 04:49 |
| timeless | indeterminate | 04:49 |
| timeless | yep | 04:49 |
| lcuk | :) | 04:49 |
| timeless | well | 04:49 |
| timeless | more like winds/wings of fate | 04:49 |
| timeless | i'd need a job | 04:49 |
| timeless | cali isn't a great place to be w/o income.. | 04:50 |
| timeless | otoh, qgil managed to get there (using nok!) | 04:50 |
| * lcuk nods | 04:51 | |
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| timeless | wow, google st view requires flash10 | 04:53 |
| timeless | so, gmaps overshot my place by perhaps 5mins on the destination :) | 04:54 |
| timeless | and maybe 10mins on the origin | 04:54 |
| timeless | but otherwise the path was correct | 04:54 |
| timeless | oh, but my starting point to go down to sc tended to be 30mins south of sc which probably accounts for the rest | 04:55 |
| trumee | timeless: i need to get some sleep now. i have update the bug report to reflect my findings on usbnet and your/luke-jr tests. Thanks for your help. | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | ... | 04:56 |
| lcuk | trumee, which bug btw | 04:56 |
| trumee | lcuk: #10388 | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | bug #10388 | 04:57 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 04:57 |
| lcuk | oh, i tohught it was an nb# | 04:57 |
| lcuk | heya crashanddie \o | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | yo lcuk | 04:57 |
| * lcuk finds the nb | 04:58 | |
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| timeless | the audio seems fine | 05:05 |
| trumee | i should have setup extensions using g729. | 05:05 |
| timeless | no video | 05:05 |
| trumee | because i mostly use that | 05:05 |
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| trumee | timeless: i have updated the codecs allowed. you will have video this time using h263 | 05:07 |
| trumee | timeless: also, i have set g729 as the first codec | 05:07 |
| trumee | so with audio only, you will use g729. With video you will use h263 | 05:08 |
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| trumee | timeless: audio is very unpredictable, it works for about 10 minutes and then voice screws up. | 05:09 |
| trumee | timeless: one-off testing doesnt give the right picture. | 05:10 |
| timeless | ok, he's going to read a book | 05:12 |
| timeless | and i'll charge my phone | 05:12 |
| trumee | timeless: was this audio again this time? | 05:13 |
| timeless | video seems to kill audio for this uplink | 05:13 |
| timeless | in theory it's a video call but w/ cameras off on both sides | 05:13 |
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| timeless | @4mins now | 05:14 |
| trumee | hmm. i have never tested video call at length | 05:14 |
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| trumee | the packets traces i sent to mikhail were shorter than these. | 05:14 |
| timeless | well it isn't carrying video right now | 05:14 |
| trumee | yes, but the codec will be h263 rather than g729 | 05:14 |
| trumee | i think | 05:14 |
| timeless | hrm | 05:15 |
| timeless | Jul 25 05:15:09 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2547]: dsph263enc0: failed waiting for events | 05:15 |
| timeless | Jul 25 05:15:11 Nokia-N900 last message repeated 2 times | 05:15 |
| timeless | Jul 25 05:15:11 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2547]: GLIB WARNING ** default - bus_async_handler: got warning: Compensating for audio synchronisation problems (gstbaseaudiosink.c(1515): gst_base_audio_sink_render (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstPulseSink:pulsesink0: Unexpected discontinuity in audio timestamps of more than half a second (0:00:00.600750000), resyncing) | 05:16 |
| trumee | setting up the voice mail extension for mikhail will be good. Unfortunately, that is with freeswitch which sits on the other partiton. i need to reboot to get into that | 05:16 |
| pigeon | hmm, i notice the n900 keep losing the automatic/manual network selection settings. | 05:17 |
| trumee | timeless: are these in your syslog? | 05:17 |
| timeless | yep | 05:17 |
| timeless | i can probably provide the logs | 05:17 |
| timeless | after i verify they don't have anything confi | 05:17 |
| trumee | maybe you can attach to that bug or the nokia internal buglog | 05:18 |
| timeless | confi can mean personal :) | 05:18 |
| timeless | we had a bug about calendar not showing my birthday on a colleague's n900 | 05:18 |
| timeless | he wasn't willing to share his contacts database | 05:19 |
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| timeless | luke-jr: is this curious george? | 05:19 |
| timeless | indeed, it is | 05:20 |
| trumee | timeless: Hopefuly mikhail will come back to after the vacation. I could then setup the test number for him. it would be best if he could come on irc. But mixing work with hobby isnt for everybody :) | 05:20 |
| timeless | infobot seen mikhail | 05:20 |
| infobot | mikhail <~mikhail@c-98-225-30-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 48d 22h 21m 59s ago, saying: 'hello'. | 05:20 |
| timeless | hrm, not necessarily the right mikhail | 05:21 |
| trumee | timeless: :) | 05:21 |
| timeless | we're @11min | 05:21 |
| timeless | audio is still fine | 05:21 |
| timeless | there's coughing but that's genuine | 05:21 |
| trumee | hey, that is good. | 05:22 |
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| trumee | maybe the pbx works better at night | 05:22 |
| timeless | can you use h323 as your audio stack? | 05:23 |
| timeless | hrm, it might have cut out | 05:23 |
| timeless | but i suspect he moved away from the mic | 05:23 |
| trumee | not sure, i could stick it in the codecs field and hope it works | 05:24 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure he's further from the mic right now | 05:25 |
| trumee | right. | 05:25 |
| * timeless wishes for a bandwidth monitor | 05:26 | |
| timeless | ms has had one since win 4 | 05:26 |
| timeless | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-us-canada-10753021 | 05:27 |
| trumee | i have removed h263 from the codec list. So the only codecs allower are g729, ulaw and alaw | 05:27 |
| timeless | ok | 05:28 |
| trumee | ok, i am going off to bed now. goodnight all. | 05:29 |
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| timeless | it's a little choppy now | 05:31 |
| timeless | CPU: 55.1% usr 15.9% sys 0.0% nice 27.1% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 1.7% softirq | 05:32 |
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| luke-jr | timeless: say what? :p | 05:45 |
| timeless | .. | 05:46 |
| timeless | there was some water garbling near the end | 05:47 |
| timeless | but that's the wrong problem | 05:47 |
| timeless | so .. codec could be immune | 05:47 |
| timeless | or we could have missed | 05:48 |
| timeless | we can try again in +12h or so w/ non h323 | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | I poured Pepsi... | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | whilest, I heard a lot of loud noise I thought on your end | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | timeless: apparently my IPv4 flaked out at some point while we were on the call BTW | 05:50 |
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| lcuk | thp, technically, yes, but effectively no.. github.com/lcuk has latest live library (pushed after video) and also within liqbase-playground is a sub project called invar - which does the full inverse ar stuff | 05:52 |
| lcuk | the mouse is just a thought expiriment ontop of that data | 05:52 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: what's that? liqbase-based video calling? | 05:53 |
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| lcuk | no, the inverse ar stuff I showed - realworld n900 positioning | 05:54 |
| lcuk | the code and projects I used are there :) i cleaned it up a bit more and made the example usable | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | o | 05:54 |
| lcuk | its an image viewer where the image is actually a tile of 9 n900s in size | 05:54 |
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| luke-jr | yeah, I got that | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | you could probably do a focus/blur effect around the edges to make it more realistic | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | eg, the N900 is putting it in focus | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | or scale the movement, so eg the N900 is magnifying something tiny behind it | 06:00 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, yeah magnification is possible | 06:01 |
| lcuk | it was one of the first things i did actually, along with rotation | 06:01 |
| lcuk | but the image viewer i wanted simple reproducability | 06:01 |
| lcuk | and it includes its own marker picture :) so if you have 2 n900s you can play with them both | 06:02 |
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| Gryllida | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 the 'vote here' links -- if you want to have fun reviewing the applications, feel free :) Looks like there are amusingly little voters on. | 06:11 |
| Gryllida | few* | 06:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm in process of going through the list - I should have it finished in another couple of weeks at the current rate. | 06:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (though that would not of course promote all) | 06:31 |
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| MARDWARE | hi peoples | 07:31 |
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| LiraNuna | hey guys | 07:48 |
| LiraNuna | you thought cloudgps is fast? | 07:48 |
| LiraNuna | try this baby | 07:49 |
| LiraNuna | http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps | 07:49 |
| LiraNuna | the single tile shown is fetched (and cached) from network, so it's just a matter of showing different texture | 07:50 |
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| TermanaN900 | timeless, looks like turkey instead tonight | 10:47 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | hello | 11:24 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | there are not scratchbox-devkit-svn on deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ hathor main | 11:25 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | what i can do | 11:25 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | oki have found the .deb but it s not on the repository | 11:28 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | hmmm i dont find it for amd64 | 11:30 |
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| sandstorm | hello, especially when I connect my N900 to pc on pc suite mode and unplug it, I stop receiving SMS notifications on the screen and as sound and vibration, what might be the solution? thanks in advance. | 12:21 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:30 |
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| marginalMan | setting gmail up on an n900, -which smtp settings work? | 13:39 |
| ham5 | yours | 13:39 |
| marginalMan | get it right to recei | 13:40 |
| marginalMan | but cant get it to send | 13:40 |
| ham5 | ask your host | 13:40 |
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| RST38h | heya vdvsx | 13:41 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, hello :) | 13:41 |
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| alterego | Good moaning folks | 13:43 |
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| jacekowski | mirsal: use imap | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | i didn't said that | 13:44 |
| mirsal | jacekowski, np :) | 13:44 |
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| Guest52083 | Ooh, awesome | 13:55 |
| Guest52083 | The micro USB port on the phone did get out of it | 13:55 |
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| h4xordood | eh ? | 13:55 |
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| Guest52083 | = i will have to send it to reparation | 13:56 |
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| h4xordood | how that happened ? o_O | 13:57 |
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| Guest52083 | Dunno, but i know this has happened for others as well. | 13:59 |
| h4xordood | seriously o_= n900 ? | 14:00 |
| Guest52083 | I use my SEÂ P1i atm, need to get used to their keybord for a while | 14:01 |
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| raster | moo | 14:05 |
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| FredrIQ | hi | 14:07 |
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| Guest52083 | H4xordood, yes, N900 | 14:08 |
| FredrIQ | The phone is fully charged (i use it atm), so i can run some type of backup | 14:08 |
| h4xordood | i need to be cautious then i buyed n900 3 days back o_O | 14:09 |
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| h4xordood | hope my usb port doesnt gets out of it | 14:09 |
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| harnir | hello | 14:15 |
| harnir | anybody else missing /lib/init/upstart-job ? | 14:15 |
| alterego | harnir: what makes you think it's missing? | 14:16 |
| harnir | because after reflash with PR1.2 my entire /lib/init/ directory isn't where it's supposed to be... | 14:17 |
| alterego | I would have thought that would have obviously been a change in the way things are done rather than things being missing. | 14:18 |
| harnir | so where is it now? and why /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon symlink isn't updated to reflect new location? | 14:18 |
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| alterego | I dunno, use 'find' .. | 14:20 |
| harnir | I tried it, nothing found | 14:20 |
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| harnir | alterego: so, is your avahi-daemon running? | 14:20 |
| alterego | Yup | 14:20 |
| harnir | how did you do that? | 14:20 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 14:21 |
| alterego | _I_ didn't :P | 14:21 |
| harnir | anything else besides reflashing PR1.2? | 14:21 |
| harnir | alterego: what version do you use, global, US, UK? | 14:21 |
| alterego | Not as far as I know. Have you tried: ps -A | grep avahi ? | 14:21 |
| alterego | global | 14:21 |
| harnir | alterego: yes, it's not running | 14:21 |
| harnir | damn, I just reflashed | 14:22 |
| harnir | you sure yours "just worked"? | 14:22 |
| alterego | Well, I've not fiddled with vahi | 14:22 |
| alterego | ~avahi | 14:22 |
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| harnir | alterego: my isn't running, because /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon points to /lib/init/upstart-job, which is missing. if I copy this script from ubuntu and add symink in /etc/rc2.d/, avahi works for me | 14:23 |
| harnir | anybody else with that problem? | 14:24 |
| alterego | My /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is not a symlink | 14:24 |
| harnir | hmm, brb | 14:25 |
| alterego | harnir: have you tried "start avahi-daemon" ? | 14:25 |
| harnir | yeah, it works... something fishy going on here | 14:25 |
| alterego | What network interfaces are enabled?> | 14:26 |
| alterego | enabled/configured | 14:26 |
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| harnir | currently wlan0 | 14:26 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 14:27 |
| harnir | let me reboot, brb | 14:27 |
| harnir | perhaps it fixed itself somehow, maybe I just need to put avahi-daemon after dbus in startup sequence | 14:27 |
| alterego | Well, upstart should take care of that .. | 14:28 |
| harnir | I'll check it out | 14:28 |
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| harnir | huh, ok, after reboot it started automatically, great | 14:29 |
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| RZ | Hi I need help with pidgin | 14:32 |
| RZ | I want to change the language. | 14:32 |
| kerio | change the locale | 14:33 |
| RZ | Locale? | 14:33 |
| RZ | System language? | 14:33 |
| kerio | yeah | 14:33 |
| RZ | Crap... So there is no way to change it manually? | 14:34 |
| h4xordood | kerio: there is extra support for pidgin | 14:34 |
| RZ | Yeah I downloaded ti. | 14:35 |
| RZ | *it | 14:35 |
| h4xordood | RZ: u need spelling checker or u need support of some language that u can type ? | 14:35 |
| h4xordood | if u need support to type with keypad then do as kerio said | 14:36 |
| RZ | I have maemo in English I would like to have Pidgin in another language. I can change it on my PC, but I can't on N900 | 14:37 |
| RZ | For the sake of argument I want it in Russian | 14:38 |
| kerio | there's russian for the n900 | 14:38 |
| h4xordood | ha i also use Russian cause i know Russian | 14:39 |
| RZ | I know OK let's say Slovenian. | 14:39 |
| RZ | There is no support for Maemo in Slovenian but is for Pidgin. | 14:39 |
| kerio | RZ: settings menu? | 14:39 |
| kerio | or "LANG=sl pidgin" | 14:40 |
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| RZ | Nope still in English. LANG=sl pidgin just opens it. | 14:43 |
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| RZ | If I change system language Pidgin changes accordingly | 14:46 |
| harnir | any way to have USSD codes separate from other contacts? | 14:46 |
| kerio | timeless: maybe you care somehow - given your part in the coding of microB: i can't use Transmission's web interface to upload torrents :| | 14:48 |
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| RZ | How can one see who is online on Skype? | 14:56 |
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| kerio | address book? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | RZ: go to your contact list. Those who have a green icon are online | 15:00 |
| kerio | or however it's called | 15:00 |
| kerio | sort by state | 15:00 |
| kerio | s/state/status/ | 15:00 |
| infobot | kerio meant: sort by status | 15:00 |
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| kerio | :| | 15:00 |
| RZ | Found it" | 15:01 |
| RZ | *! | 15:01 |
| RZ | Thank you. | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | kerio: ah, one of those days, eh? | 15:04 |
| kerio | what "those days"? | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (*cough*) mooo | 15:27 |
| kerio | µ | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | miu? | 15:28 |
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| DrGrov | Good day | 15:53 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Can you bash in my head so I can remember the adapter? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | It doesn't seem to really annoy you with it's existence in your house. I'm confident before you throw it to the garbage bin you'll remember me and place it in an envelope and send | 15:57 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: How can you be so confident that I do remember what I should do with it once that day is coming? :) | 15:59 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I am just scared that it is too old once I decide to send it, throw it :( | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe you better keep it? you might need it for in-the-wil-hotswapping as described here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=761321#post761321 | 16:00 |
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| DrGrov | I will read that post and see what you are talking about. | 16:02 |
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| kerio | hmm... is there a way to run a full hardware check? | 16:06 |
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| kerio | i'd like to know if the lack of red light on my n900 is because of a problem in the software side or in the hardware side | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *might* bother to check for the correct sequence of I2C-cmds to power on red LED the hard way, if you really need that | 16:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: regardless of kernel/driver/software status? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel needs I2C interface exported to /sys, sw needs to be killed/stopped if it holds exclusive locks to that interface | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd get to know if any precondition isn't met | 16:11 |
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| kerio | if you can do that without too much hassle... | 16:11 |
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| kerio | the red led is apparently useless, after all | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure is | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just as useless as the mandatory shutter click sounds are | 16:12 |
| kerio | they can disabled by switching to Silent | 16:12 |
| kerio | lol | 16:12 |
| Macer | want to make sure the girl doesnt think you are filming? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's regulations foo, for some weird countries | 16:14 |
| kerio | s/the girl/your mom/ | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | wiki lightning fast for me this very moment... :-o | 16:16 |
| kerio | let's DDoS it! | 16:16 |
| Macer | hah | 16:18 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: maybe becasue 70% of the maemo community is seeing whats happening on the meego wiki :) | 16:18 |
| Macer | is there an n900 port of diablo? | 16:19 |
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| kerio | so... A5/1 was cracked using rainbow tables, on a not-that-powerful machine | 16:20 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It seems like it is better for your purposes the adapter :) | 16:20 |
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| kerio | DrGrov: the multi-charger adapter provided with the n900? | 16:21 |
| kerio | does that allow for fastcharge? | 16:21 |
| DrGrov | kerio: I have yes that charger adapter still. | 16:21 |
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| Macer | kerio: does that mean i can clone my sim faster now? | 16:23 |
| kerio | nah, but you can listen to your neighbor's calls | 16:24 |
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| Macer | blah | 16:25 |
| Macer | well. it lasted like 8 years before it was cracked | 16:25 |
| Macer | but you would think once it was they would roll out something stronger | 16:25 |
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| DrGrov | kerio: listen to neighbour's calls? do tell me more | 16:25 |
| Macer | there is always skype over 3G :) | 16:26 |
| DrGrov | kerio: what special equipment do you need? | 16:26 |
| Macer | what encryption does skype use? | 16:26 |
| Macer | The Germans said it should be, as they shared a long border with the Warsaw Pact; but the other countries didn't feel this way, and the algorithm as now fielded is a French design." | 16:26 |
| Macer | no wonder it sucks | 16:27 |
| Macer | :) | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | who gives a shit about A5/1 anyway? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | a fool he who's thinking *any* electronic conversation is private | 16:29 |
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| alterego | Oh this is weird .. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ :) | 16:29 |
| alterego | GL isn't drawing it's background. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me put it that way: the dude shouting at his wive via cellphone in the subway, and driving me crazy, do you think he's concerned about encryption? :-P | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | wife* | 16:30 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:31 |
| RZ | I installed Scumm VM and flight of the amazon queen to test it. Now I can't start the game I cant even find it. | 16:32 |
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| alterego | Ah, it's the painter .. | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet 90% of users of GSM/DECT/whatever think they should got to their cellar to do a call they don't want to be tapped, and the rest would be utterly surprised if you tell them it's actually been NOT so easy to wiretap GSM with A5/1 | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw for authorities with imsi catcher it's *always* been utterly easy to eavesdrop a call | 16:35 |
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| Macer | well.. someone can always write an app for enciphered voice and hand deliver the keys | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since dunno ~10 years all exchanges have mandatory surveillance interfaces, so you don't care about A5/1 and IMSI catchers at all any more | 16:37 |
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| Macer | or stash them in the red bag of cocaine | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use twinklephone with ZRTP | 16:38 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i think more people are worried about someone else catching the phone call conversation to the dr about their herpes situation | 16:38 |
| Macer | twinklephone? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 16:38 |
| Macer | :) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: go twinkle.com | 16:38 |
| Macer | address not found | 16:39 |
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| Macer | twinklephone.com ;) | 16:40 |
| DrGrov | So, how does the eavesdropping work in practice? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.twinklephone.com/ | 16:40 |
| Macer | im surprised twinkle.com isnt taken | 16:40 |
| Macer | :) | 16:40 |
| * Macer registers | 16:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it is | 16:40 |
| sandstorm | hello, especially when I connect my N900 to pc on pc suite mode and unplug it, I stop receiving SMS notifications on the screen and as sound and vibration, what might be the solution? thanks in advance | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, twinklephone is a nice mature SIP softphone, that supports ZRTP encryption natively | 16:41 |
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| Macer | skype uses rc4 | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZRTP is considered secure and MITM-safe | 16:42 |
| Macer | why cant they just use aes256? | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too heavy | 16:43 |
| Macer | in this day and age? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Remember - a lot of decisions about protocols were made back when the z80 wasn't a complete joke. | 16:44 |
| Macer | whats a few more bits? :) | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | and AES wasn't even invented for that matter | 16:44 |
| Macer | haha | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even mail encryption uses aes, they just crypt a symmetric key by aes | 16:44 |
| Macer | z80... whoa | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | WEll - not _quite_ that far | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | AES is cheap | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | the phone can do it >5M/s IIRC | 16:45 |
| Macer | that is quite a bit of bandwidth | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | But in relatively recent memory, people were trying to skimp on crypto, as DES was expensive in terms of gate area and/or clocks. | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah but what to do with that bandwidth then, when your CPU is maxed out and can't*process* the decrypted data :-P | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ - complete win. | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: save it to disk. | 16:46 |
| Macer | rc4 is circa 1987 as well | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: however - 10% of that is a decent video stream | 16:46 |
| Macer | is all encryption from the cold war? :) | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | AES is 1998? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what are the benefits of realtime decrypting a stream that's stored?? | 16:47 |
| Macer | is it? | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | To stop the nasty user copying it. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or more sanely - to stop someone who steals the device getting it | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-25 15:46:29] <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: save it to disk. | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | receive - decrypt realtme - store : nonsense | 16:48 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: hahahaha | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | receive - store crypted version - decrypt whenever you got spare CPU : better way | 16:49 |
| Macer | funny article | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | recieve - decrypt from transport encryption - encrypt to storage encryption | 16:49 |
| Macer | or just make a better cpu that can do it real time ;) | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't decide which sign I like most. 'magnets...' or 'Is this thing on' | 16:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer sends Macer back to CS primary | 16:50 | |
| Macer | God hates jedi | 16:50 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke always seemed a bit iffy to me. | 16:50 |
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| DrGrov | Is there any easy way how to copy Contacts which are even two numbers for the same contact into the SIM card and have the contacts separated? Ex. Home 12345 and Home 4555667 would be as 2 x Home entries on the SIM card. | 16:52 |
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| DrGrov | Thinking about getting a 2nd phone, the Nokia C5 but I need all my Contacts... | 16:53 |
| DrGrov | Not 100% sure I have the exactly same entries on the SIM card as in the N900 Contacts... | 16:53 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: god hates fred phelps | 16:53 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 16:53 |
| Macer | DrGrov: sync it to skype | 16:54 |
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| DrGrov | Macer: I can not copy the Contacts back to the SIM card without problems? | 16:55 |
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| Macer | never tried it tbh | 16:56 |
| Macer | i want a cloned sim | 16:56 |
| Macer | :( | 16:56 |
| Macer | bastards at tmob wont do it | 16:57 |
| DrGrov | Okay, I thought of getting my old Samsung trustworthy phone as my 2nd phone until I go and buy the Nokia C5 | 16:57 |
| Macer | i wouldnt mind a galaxy s | 16:58 |
| Macer | thing looks pretty nice | 16:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: is it safe to have a sip conversation on an untrusted wifi network? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | trumee, doing anything on an untrusted network is ummm untrusted | 16:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: I know the call isnt encrypted but i am more worried about authentication | 16:59 |
| DrGrov | My fiancee is thinking about that Galaxy S | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on your definition of "safe", quite obviously. No physical harm reported yet | 16:59 |
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| DrGrov | Ah, why did I not think about this before? | 16:59 |
| trumee | I dont want some random guy getting hold of my sip username/password. | 16:59 |
| DrGrov | I go and buy a SIM card duplicator and use my old SIM card and copy over and get the shit done | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: username is spread al over the internets, just so much you can do about for SIP. Password is *NEVER* given out, it's a challenge/response authentication | 17:01 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer:ok, then i will consider it safe. | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | allegedly the challenge/response is not THAT safe, means with brute force you could crack the password, from maybe 100 challenge/response dialogs | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | much like WPA(2) | 17:02 |
| user_ | if qtranslate is based on the google app, then why does the google app have so many more translations? | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you want additional security, find a SIP provider that offers SIPS | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SSL-SIP | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the SIP conversation is over SSL there, so really unlikely somebody will crack both the SSL *and* the SIP challenge/response | 17:04 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: but SSL-SIP isnt supported bu N900? | 17:05 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah, TLS is indeed supported. | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, you bet it isn't | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | missed that | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 17:06 |
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| trumee | but where do i put the certificate? | 17:06 |
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| trumee | TLS was supported in N95 as well although i never used it. | 17:06 |
| trumee | Good thing is freeswitch has tls support which * doesnt out of the box | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the RTP voice data stream is never encoded and free to decode for everybody eavesdropping somewhere in the transmission chain, unless you use meassures like ZRTP | 17:07 |
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| trumee | ZRTP isnt support on N900 :( | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could make it happen with local ZRTP proxy | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | works with almost every SIP softphone | 17:09 |
| trumee | not sure whether that is possible with N900 | 17:09 |
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| slonopotamus | trumee: i just uploaded sflphone yesterday (and it's supposed to support zrtp) but smth is either broken or i can't setup it properly :) | 17:09 |
| trumee | i mean whether N900 has code for zrtp proxy | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | sip is some dark voodoo | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | the code is foss | 17:10 |
| trumee | slonopotamus: ah! i need that application | 17:10 |
| trumee | slonopotamus: it will be usefull to test sip with that | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | trumee: well, if you manage to make it call, call me :) | 17:10 |
| trumee | slonopotamus: where is it? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | savoir fair linux? hmm, was nice but didn't work foir me when I tested | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | trumee: extras-devel | 17:11 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: that one, yep | 17:11 |
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| trumee | slonopotamus: ok. will look into it | 17:11 |
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| trumee | brb | 17:11 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: claims to have zrtp | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well it's French ;-P | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably ZRTP is outlawed in France | 17:11 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: code doesn't smell | 17:12 |
| slonopotamus | well, unless it comes from MS | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if it's windows code | 17:12 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 17:12 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Can you find a good Blackberry Bold 9000 or 9700 which is reliable? | 17:13 |
| DrGrov | Online store is a good choice | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I never tried, so dunno | 17:14 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ok, no problem :) | 17:14 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Do you think 150 € for a OpenMoko Neo Freerunner is too much? It is perhaps been used for 1 - 1,5 years | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too much I guess | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik they are ~220 new now | 17:29 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Perhaps if I could get it down to 100 | 17:29 |
| DrGrov | ? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure it has buzzfix | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | or A7 version | 17:30 |
| DrGrov | Buzzfix? | 17:30 |
| DrGrov | A7? | 17:30 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps I would give that guy a call and check if he is interested in selling it | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ | 17:30 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i was able to capture usb traffic from the desktop using tcpdump -lni usb0 -w sip.pcap, when i open it in wireshark it has lot of USB URB | 17:30 |
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| trumee | nothing else except USB URB packets. | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry no idea about USB networking | 17:31 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: np | 17:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Is it worth the effort to get the Neo Freerunner? | 17:32 |
| trumee | i was hoping to salvage some RTP streams but no luck | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I mean, can I enjoy it at all? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a nice machine for linux hackers | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably don't want it for an alternative to a real phone | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | Yes | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | That is what I was thinking | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps not the best phone capability :) | 17:33 |
| DrGrov | But it could be really cool to have one for other purposes | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *can* use as daily phone, if you're not reluctant to write your own scripts to check your special needs :-P | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if you pick a golden firmware version | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0808 | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably still GOLDEN | 17:34 |
| DrGrov | So I can get it working well? | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's never working exactly "well" | 17:35 |
| DrGrov | The seller does not seem to be aware of these things since the price is relatively low | 17:35 |
| DrGrov | Unfortunately I will not buy it unless I get the price down to 80 or 90 €. maximum 100 € | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask if it got buzzfix rework, or which board revision (A7 has buzzfix by fab) | 17:36 |
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| sandstorm | under which folder or file do IM chats are logged? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: /join #openmoko | 17:36 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So if I get that confirmed it is a lot better? | 17:36 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: thanks, joining in | 17:37 |
| h4xordood | heya :) | 17:38 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I am calling now to see what he is saying. I ask about the buzzfix and A7 | 17:39 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Damn it, it did not have buzzfix or A7 | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: /join #openmoko | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite OT here, and threre you get much better response | 17:52 |
| DrGrov | Sorry about that, I was in the wrong tab | 17:52 |
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| DrGrov | Damn it is such a shame to keep reading users posts on forums who clearly do not know how to use the N900 and keep installing things they do not understand | 18:26 |
| DrGrov | Funny as always | 18:26 |
| nid0 | doing things they dont understand, getting it wrong, and blaming everything but themselves is the definition of "users" | 18:29 |
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| h4xordood | repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 doesnt seem to be workin :( | 19:10 |
| h4xordood | if i do apt-get update it says failed repository | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Woo - my bit on e-book readers about fbreader got read out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t384n - 20:15 | 19:24 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 19:28 |
| PhonicUK | what's the state of PSX emulation like for Maemo these days? | 19:28 |
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| Macer | PhonicUK: the same as the state of maemo | 19:32 |
| PhonicUK | slow and unreliable? | 19:32 |
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| Macer | heh | 19:39 |
| Macer | undone and underdeveloped | 19:39 |
| Macer | but close ;) | 19:40 |
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| Izzeh | any TMO mods on? | 19:42 |
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| PhonicUK | Lol I was wondering where all my storage space on my N900 was going | 19:43 |
| PhonicUK | 17.5GB of video | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | Izzeh, chem|st, not sure if he's idling or not though | 19:43 |
| Izzeh | some noobs spamming games section with warez =/ | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | report the post | 19:44 |
| Izzeh | done | 19:44 |
| Izzeh | already | 19:44 |
| Izzeh | he's at 4 threads and new one every 30 seconds | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | probably a spambot | 19:45 |
| Izzeh | 5 threads =x lol | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i hate how the mods are mostly from one time zone | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | the US | 19:47 |
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| alterego | Maybe I should be a mod muahahahha! | 19:48 |
| Izzeh | he's up to 6.. and now the noobs are posting asking how to install on N900 <.< | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i was rejected, don't bother | 19:49 |
| alterego | I'm cooler than you | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, fsck off :P | 19:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280076842319.jpg - on emulators. (worksafe) (not a worksafe site though a worksafe pic) | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG51, clearly alterego has the advantage of having a cooler tag. | 20:02 |
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| alterego | damn git clone is taking forever. | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | GAN900, damn, need to get a better nick :P | 20:07 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: there was zelda cereal? | 20:08 |
| Macer | wow :) | 20:09 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: re:electronic transmission - i actually expect most of my telecommunications to be reasonably secure | 20:11 |
| PhonicUK | wow, ive got PCSX2 running at full speed on my machine :\ | 20:11 |
| PhonicUK | its funny how massive the performance gap is between the PSX and PS2 | 20:11 |
| kerio | think about the gap between ps2 and ps3 | 20:11 |
| PhonicUK | aye | 20:12 |
| kerio | also the massive shift in paradigm | 20:12 |
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| PhonicUK | its taking a 3.2GHz quad core to emulate a PS2 at full speed :\ | 20:12 |
| kerio | PhonicUK: well, for reliable emulation | 20:12 |
| kerio | MAME-like | 20:12 |
| PhonicUK | Isn't there a NEO GEO emu that works on the N900? | 20:13 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna play the metal slug series | 20:13 |
| PhonicUK | but MAME is a bit slow | 20:13 |
| kerio | mame is reliable | 20:13 |
| kerio | <3 | 20:13 |
| PhonicUK | but slow :P | 20:13 |
| kerio | not its primary aim | 20:14 |
| PhonicUK | indeed | 20:14 |
| PhonicUK | I suppose "accurate" would be more descriptive of its goal | 20:14 |
| Izzeh | wasn't there metal slug on snes? | 20:15 |
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| kerio | the mamedev have a electronics fetish | 20:16 |
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| user | hey guys, why cant qtranslate translate nearly as well as the google service it is supposedly based on? | 20:37 |
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| user | hey guys, why cant qtranslate translate nearly as well as the google service it is supposedly based on? | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | moo. | 20:38 |
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| mobile-telephone | sorry got disconnected | 20:39 |
| mobile-telephone | whats the deal with qtranslate? | 20:39 |
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| slonopotamus | :/ | 20:40 |
| slonopotamus | mobile-telephone: you weren't talking, why you're sorry then? | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | my flash on n900 doesnt seem to be working imean adobe flashplayer | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | i went to speedtest.net | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | but it doesnt play flash :\ | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | any suggestions ? | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | wget something from kernel.org | 20:41 |
| h4xordood | and fermatile repo also giving error | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | saying 404 error not found when i do apt-get update | 20:42 |
| RST38h | you are unlucky | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | repo.maemo.org fermantile 1.2 not found :\ | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 20:42 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:42 |
| RST38h | your fermantle is bad | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | fermatile, sorry | 20:43 |
| RST38h | of course it is fermatile | 20:43 |
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| mobile-telephone | well qtranslate cant do most of what google translate does... and it is supposedly based onit | 20:44 |
| AlMehdi | have you tried gTranslate? | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Who made facebrick? http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/sex-with-your-girlfriend-74-people-like-this/ | 20:45 |
| h4xordood | can some one tell me place from where i can install repositories so they get corrected | 20:45 |
| h4xordood | ? | 20:45 |
| RST38h | google? | 20:46 |
| h4xordood | i know google is always there | 20:46 |
| h4xordood | but i didnt found it to be working for me | 20:46 |
| h4xordood | so i am asking | 20:46 |
| RST38h | really? | 20:46 |
| h4xordood | really | 20:46 |
| h4xordood | beccause i found one place where all repo were there | 20:47 |
| h4xordood | and i installed | 20:47 |
| h4xordood | but again same error | 20:47 |
| RST38h | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo5+repositories | 20:47 |
| RST38h | third search result from the top | 20:47 |
| h4xordood | RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/ | 20:47 |
| h4xordood | i know this | 20:48 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: "they get corrected" - ? | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: how you got them incorrect? | 20:49 |
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| AlMehdi | h4xordood: Checked your spelling? | 20:50 |
| h4xordood | slonopotamus: i didnt do anything when i buyed n900 that very day i ran apt-get update | 20:50 |
| * slonopotamus 11 of 253... building kde. and ftw. | 20:50 | |
| RST38h | slono: on Maemo5? =) | 20:51 |
| h4xordood | but it gave me error about some gpg key not found and 404 fermantle repo | 20:51 |
| h4xordood | slonopotamus: tell me how u running kde on it ? | 20:51 |
| RST38h | you can't type, can't spell, and can't search | 20:51 |
| RST38h | once you figure out these three simple tasks, you will be able to install. | 20:51 |
| h4xordood | RST38h: if u see u also typed wrong | 20:51 |
| AlMehdi | 404 is for when it can't find what you are looking for... if you typed something wron.. it will give you 404 | 20:52 |
| RST38h | PARSE ERROR | 20:52 |
| h4xordood | its fermantle not what you wrote | 20:52 |
| h4xordood | instead of being sarcastic and going crazy i recommend lets be productive | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: of course not | 20:53 |
| AlMehdi | also check so you have all in small letters | 20:53 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: so, you ran apt-get update and? | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | ah, skipped your msg | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: so check your repo urls against published on r.m.o. | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: or show us your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 20:56 |
| h4xordood | ok wait i just paste bin | 20:58 |
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| slonopotamus | h4xordood: mine (pr1.2 installed): http://dpaste.org/oreo/ | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: you're welcome to my binpkgs :P | 21:02 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: url? | 21:02 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc44/ | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | there's a GCC 4.4 kernel in another similar dir too | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | and overlay.xml up 2 levels | 21:03 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders why some kde programs use boost. aint qt/kdelibs powerful enough? | 21:05 | |
| h4xordood | solarion: http://fpaste.org/wJFQ/ | 21:05 |
| h4xordood | slonopotamus: http://fpaste.org/wJFQ/ | 21:05 |
| RST38h | slono: You do not understand... | 21:05 |
| opdf2 | is there a video sharing service that lets me upload mp4 from my n900, with no conversion? | 21:06 |
| RST38h | slono: Boost...It is the future...It is what real C++ programmers use... | 21:06 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 21:06 | |
| RST38h | slono: Even more hardcore than STL =) | 21:07 |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: second line in your paste looks suspicious | 21:07 |
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| slonopotamus | h4xordood: replace it with mine (s/004/mr0/) | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: KDE is supposed to be Qt, not C++ | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | :p | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | but yeah, Boost is pretty much the next version of C++ | 21:08 |
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| luke-jr | [119469.721374] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL | 21:10 |
| luke-jr | [119471.151977] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL | 21:10 |
| luke-jr | what does that mean? | 21:10 |
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| h4xordood | slonopotamus: thnx i edited my repo same like yours and now it wroks :) | 21:14 |
| h4xordood | **works | 21:14 |
| h4xordood | i knew there was some problem in repo :) | 21:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | evening, nunchucks | 21:40 |
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| crashanddie_ | Gizmokid2005, are you 5 years old? | 21:41 |
| Gizmokid2005 | crashanddie_: no. | 21:41 |
| RST38h | good | 21:42 |
| crashanddie_ | actually, it would be an interesting test | 21:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | show goatse and 2g1c to a 5 year old, then see if he becomes a mass murdering bastard | 21:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | and the pain olympics, too | 21:43 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie_: You're never coming near my kids again... | 21:44 |
| phellarv | Hmmm - Is there a doc on the events which I can hook on to in /etc/event.d/ ? | 21:44 |
| crashanddie_ | I "came" near your kids before? | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | You have kids? | 21:45 |
| crashanddie_ | didn't think I'd forget that | 21:45 |
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| phellarv | crashanddie_: 2 words - Restraining Order. | 21:45 |
| phellarv | ;-P | 21:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | we're in europe mate, no such thing as a restraining order | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: .dk has restraining orders :P | 21:48 |
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| Duckboot | crashanddie_: Well - I think in several European Countries there is. | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | (specifically danish criminal code paragraph 265) | 21:48 |
| Duckboot | crashanddie_: Even the EU has tried to legislate Europe-wide Restraining orders. | 21:49 |
| RST38h | poland hasn even got forced castration of child molestaters | 21:49 |
| RST38h | molesters, sorry | 21:49 |
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| Duckboot | RST38h: Know as "the Clean Cut"? | 21:50 |
| Duckboot | Known* | 21:50 |
| trumee | luke-jr: how was the call yesterday? | 21:50 |
| RST38h | probably chemical nowadays | 21:50 |
| Duckboot | RST38h: Mmm - ofc. | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | .fi also has restraining orders | 21:50 |
| Duckboot | .no too (IIRC) | 21:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, with all the shit I've pulled, I've never had a restraining order, I can only assume the only places they are used are television studios | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: most people don't know their own country's criminal code obviously ;) | 21:53 |
| Duckboot | crashanddie_: Screenshot or it didn't happen! | 21:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, I don't even know the country I currently live in | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: me neither | 21:54 |
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| nid0 | restraining orders exist and are used in the uk too, asbo's are more common though | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | trumee: mostly worked | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | trumee: there were a couple of odd glitches, but my dmesg had some wifi warnings later.. | 22:01 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: it has been better since yesterday. Today i had 30 minutes call on sip, at about 15 minutes had water garbling. Had to put the call on hold for a sec and then resume. | 22:04 |
| trumee | luke-jr: but with problems like these the faith in the phone is all lost :( | 22:04 |
| trumee | luke-jr: it is very unpredictable | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | trumee: good luck troubleshooting it :/ | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | I still suspect some kind of cpufreq issue | 22:05 |
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| trumee | luke-jr:cpufreq-info | 22:06 |
| trumee | cpu-0 no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU | 22:06 |
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| luke-jr | what CPU is it? | 22:06 |
| trumee | CPU 1 no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU | 22:06 |
| trumee | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ | 22:06 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 22:06 |
| luke-jr | while true; do true; done & renice 20 -p $! | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | do that and test | 22:07 |
| trumee | will it bring the server down? | 22:07 |
| sig^ | will the renice ever be reached? | 22:07 |
| trumee | 15786: old priority 0, new priority 19 | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | trumee: no, just keep teh CPU busy | 22:07 |
| trumee | ok, bash has gone to 96 % now | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | yep | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | but ti has lowest priority | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | it* | 22:08 |
| trumee | so, what next? | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | try a call | 22:08 |
| trumee | ok | 22:08 |
| trumee | ok, i did an echo test. asterisk is at 1% | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | irrelevant | 22:10 |
| luke-jr | just see if the problem continues with that running | 22:10 |
| trumee | ok | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-25 19:52:29] <h4xordood> its fermantle not what you wrote --- umm, err fremantle maybe? | 22:15 |
| shamus | did ti ever release the drivers for opengl on the n800 or is that just a long dead pipe dream? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: still hammering on your SIP? | 22:17 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: yup | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<luke-jr> what does that mean?) no idea, but see that all over the dmesg here as well | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ah, anything noticable usually happen when it does? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not at all | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | shamus: neither N8x0 nor N900 support full OpenGL, just the ES subset | 22:20 |
| shamus | ah | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | shamus: AFAIK someoen got some working proof-of-concepts | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | but actually putting it into practice... no | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | I made ebuilds for Gentoo for the kernel-level stuff tho | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask Stskeeps | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | AFAIK it's not any technical problems at this point, just more of "where to go from here" | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | think he reported some tests with results on first drivers - not sure though if that's really been openGL-ES or some low level stuff, but I remember him wondering if he fried his N810 video hardware | 22:23 |
| shamus | o.0 | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | which turned out wasn't the case | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | either in this chan, or #meego-arm | 22:24 |
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| luke-jr | anyone know how to make TTF files? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mv bla bla.TTF | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | ... | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | scnr | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | ideally, on Maemo ;) | 22:26 |
| luke-jr | so I can hand-draw the font | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | TTF redmond though afaik | 22:26 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 22:27 |
| luke-jr | TTF is a cross-platform standard | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 22:27 |
| luke-jr | originated with Apple | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I remember some 10 years ago linux had to import ttf from windows partition | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe due to the fact that cause of missing decent eeditors there were no free ttf available | 22:29 |
| ShadowJK | Also there are still no decent renderers that can render vector fonts acceptably | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | at small sizes | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | not an issue on Nxx0 of course, with the massive DPI | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: i suppose it wouldn't be too hard to hack mesa into emulating full opengl | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: while using as much of opengles as possible | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | but i'm not sure about performance of that sort of thing | 22:35 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nonsense. maybe you *could* import TTF fonts from Windows, but you could always just not use Microsoft fonts | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I don't use Microsoft fonts because they're non-free | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: FreeType works fine, and even supports hinting by default since those patents expired | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yes, that's what I meant. Wasn't to suppose you *needed* to do that | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: thought it's bvious you can run a linux without any TTF installed | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: and there are free TTF fonts too | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, now there are. Not 10 years ago though. That's what I said | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, at least no decent ones | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | decent is subjective | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | there was no *hinting support* in binary distros back then | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | because that feature was patented | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | that might be what you really mean | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | but FreeType has had the code for a while, just disabled in patent-relevant places | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | so people could rebuild it with hinting enabled | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | and fonts looked a lot better | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly you're right | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I tend to forget exact dates of events and facts from >10 years into the past. Maybe it was 15 years ago, maybe 20, maybe a mix of all | 23:03 |
| mrmoku | DocScrutinizer: well... less than 20... I remember that too :P | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:05 |
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| luke-jr | was it before or after Myst? | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | :p | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf myst | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | or maybe you can date it by Windows versions | 23:07 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what myst means... | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: seriously? | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | you don't know Myst? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | Myst was the killer app for the CD-ROM drive | 23:08 |
| mrmoku | heh... remembering myst too | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | nobody had CD-ROM drives until Myst was released XD | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had no CD drive until ~2000 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait, 98? | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | Myst took CD-ROM drives from "early adopter" to "general audience" :p | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | on *nix? | 23:09 |
| * nextime never played to myst | 23:10 | |
| luke-jr | circa 1993 IIRC | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: on Windows | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | Mac was 1991? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | no | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | Mac was 1993 too | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | they should GPL realMyst or something <.< | 23:11 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | hello does it possible to have xterm application when i use maemo developpement suite and that i am connected on it with xephyr | 23:12 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | because i can t install xterm | 23:13 |
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| shamus | would be nice to be avble to play myst on a tablit but dosbox is way to slugish to handle windows and myst on windows | 23:16 |
| luke-jr | shamus: WINE | 23:17 |
| shamus | true | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | the problem would be lack of mouseover | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | the cursors are kinda important in Myst | 23:17 |
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| shamus | and there is no way in heck you could get uru up and runign on a tablit | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | uru? | 23:18 |
| yepla | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 23:18 |
| yepla | xterm: Depends: xbitmaps but it is not installable | 23:18 |
| yepla | E: Broken packages | 23:18 |
| shamus | http://mystonline.com/en/ | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | honestly, I could never beat Myst... | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | not properly anyhow | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | but it has nice music :D | 23:18 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | someone know how i can have xterm in my develop environment | 23:19 |
| luke-jr | DOnJUiLiEm: sorry, I do all my development natively | 23:20 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | ok and do u know the application to have the phone ? | 23:20 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i mean the sip phone | 23:20 |
| shamus | might be nice is http://fissure.sourceforge.net/ was ever finished | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | DOnJUiLiEm: it's called Phone | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | shamus: I'm not a big fan of the old-style Myst UI | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | shamus: I prefer the realMyst interactive world | 23:22 |
| shamus | real myst would be sweet | 23:23 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | E: Couldn't find package phone | 23:24 |
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| kerio | myst is a bad graphical adventure | 23:48 |
| kerio | pretty much anything but monkey island 1/2 is | 23:49 |
| kerio | mi3 is passable | 23:49 |
| kerio | and by passable i mean fucking awesome ofc | 23:49 |
| thunderfest | oh come on myst and riven were scores of fun bad in the day | 23:49 |
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| * shamus just tryed telescope on his n800 and it is sweet | 23:52 | |
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