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| ShadowJK | NSU is pretty evil I've heard | 00:04 |
| technomike | ShadowJK :( It just seems a shame having to completely reflash just to get the media player back. Surely there is a simpler way. | 00:06 |
| technomike | I have just got my N900 setup just the way I want it | 00:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Did you try install mp-fremantle-generic-pr? | 00:08 |
| trumee | luke-jr: ok, i am going to compile from source then. | 00:08 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Yeah, it said the package isn't available or something like that | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | Did you spell it freemantle instead of fremantle? | 00:10 |
| technomike | =nope | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | apt-cache search mp-fremantle | 00:10 |
| technomike | it returned a result | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | First word of the result? :) | 00:11 |
| technomike | mp-fremantle-203-pr | 00:11 |
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| ShadowJK | 203.... is that vodafone? | 00:11 |
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| technomike | Hm, well my phone is generic | 00:12 |
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| technomike | *N900 | 00:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Well try install mp-fremantle-203-pr :P | 00:12 |
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| technomike | aha! | 00:13 |
| technomike | :D !!!!!!!!! | 00:13 |
| technomike | Its grabbing lots of stuff, and mediaplayer is one of the things! | 00:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I don't think the MeeGo community will look anything like the Maemo one. The fragmentation which afflicts the Android and iPhone "communities" (i.e. there's no cohesive, central mass around which everything gravitates) has already started. | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: This is either a side effect of being a mass-market proposition or subconsciously emulating the market leaders in the vague hopes that cargo culting them will lead to the same success :-/ | 00:15 |
| technomike | It worked !!!!!!! | 00:16 |
| technomike | Many many thanks ShadowJK - You have saved my N900 haha ;D | 00:16 |
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| technomike | Just out of curiousity, does that mean my N900 is from Vodafone? I got it from eBay | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | technomike, I don't really remember, but I think 202 is UK and 203 is vodafone | 00:19 |
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| Jaffa | Ah, I see someone's already raised bug 10951 | 00:22 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: FreeSWITCH is a total mess | 00:25 |
| trumee | luke-jr: you mean on gentoo? | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | I mean in general. | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | unfortunately, it's the FreeSWITCH project's policy to be so | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | so they refused to merge my fixes | 00:25 |
| trumee | luke-jr:no idea. i have been with asterisk until now. and N900 behaves quite badly with it. I want to try whether N900 behaves better with freeSWITCH. | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | trumee: N900 works with Asterisk for me...? | 00:26 |
| trumee | luke-jr: it doesnt work very well for unfortunately. The voice gets minced after few minutes into the call | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | I only got that in one location I tried | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | makes me think bandwidth or something | 00:27 |
| trumee | luke-jr: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 | 00:27 |
| povbot` | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 00:27 |
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| luke-jr | ah, it works 100% fine over WLAN for me | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | choppy audio was over 3G | 00:28 |
| trumee | luke-jr: on the contrary i have good quality on 3g but choppy with WLAN :( | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | what's with calling your VoIP peer an opponent? XD | 00:29 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i dont know whose at fault, asterisk/N900/WLAN | 00:29 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i trust WLAN, because it is running dd-wrt firmware. | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | as if DD-Wrt is trustworthy ;) | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | trumee: try disallow=all allow=ulaw | 00:30 |
| trumee | luke-jr: hmm. i have tried tomato firmware as well. | 00:30 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i dont want to use ulaw. i have licenses for g729. cant use g729 on 3g | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | trumee: if your hardware is unsupported by Linux, no firmware will help | 00:30 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what do you mean by "unsupported by Linux" | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I mean if you can't take code from kernel.org, build it, and run it on the router, it's irrelevant | 00:31 |
| trumee | luke-jr: my WLAN is Linksys WRT54GL. Most linux hackers swear by it! | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | hacks like DD-Wrt tend to use some proprietary Broadcom fork of Linux | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | WRT54GL is not supported by Linux | 00:32 |
| trumee | luke-jr: so what router is supported by linux? | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | my La Fonera is, I think | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | but I'm not sure they make that model anymore | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | no idea on the newer ones | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | RouterBoard probably is, but I've heard rumours to the contrary | 00:33 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: ok so there is hardly anything on the market which is supported then | 00:33 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: depends what market | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | trumee: RouterBoard is certainly on the global market | 00:34 |
| luke-jr | IIRC the company that sponsors DD-Wrt might be supported, but no idea really | 00:34 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Huge thanks again for that, really appreciated :) | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, I'm glad I could help :) | 00:37 |
| Noma | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/17/how-to-hold-your-nokia-n900-and-make-it-drop-calls/ | 00:37 |
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| kerio | Noma: well, then they should explain to me why can't i hold the n900 with my right hand when on 3g | 00:40 |
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| kerio | :| | 00:40 |
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| technomike | Haha Noma - Never had that problem tbh but see how it could happen | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | who asked what's the use of video skype when no other device can be far end? Dude, ask Steve if you may join in on facetime, maybe he has shares on Nokia and thinks it's a good idea | 00:44 |
| kerio | no, i'm serious, how do you hold the n900 with both hands without having the signal drop to crap?? | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp1 | sp3000: cool | 00:46 |
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| technomike | kerio, don't really have that problem here. just tried | 00:47 |
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| Noma | neither do i | 00:47 |
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| luke-jr | Noma: that doesn't work in Maemo I think | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | just pressing the off button just pops up a menu on mine | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | signal drop on righthand is real | 00:50 |
| Noma | you just have to press it longer | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | have that all the time | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: if I want to make a N900-to-N900 video call, I can use XMPP :) | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: you're holding it wrong | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | portrait mode is wrong | 00:50 |
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| luke-jr | only landscape mode should be supported! :P | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | knew I should lay it on desk and type with my nose | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | heh | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | speaking of which, the N900 stand SUCKS | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | if you try to type, it flops over | 00:51 |
| Jartza | it's not a stand, it's a hook-hanger :D | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | what was wrong with N810's? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just my nose hates it | 00:52 |
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| luke-jr | I mean, besides the ports being blocks | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | blocked | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | of course, if they used the superior clamshell (see C760) design, they wouldn't *need* a stand... | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | should I bother to view that youtube to learn how to hold it the wrong why even better?? | 00:54 |
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| technomike | Guys, any ideas how to get an equaliser on the N900 - and not MAFW Equaliser, because thats what caused those problems I had before haha | 00:55 |
| technomike | Just asking incase you know of anything :) | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, MAFW equalizer? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | never heard of it, is it new? | 00:57 |
| hno | kerio: Hold it in right hand, with thumb and index finger at top edge. Don't hold the hand low, covering all of the lover edge (keep hand out of mounth, don't talk into the hand) | 00:58 |
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| kerio | hno: ok | 00:58 |
| kerio | now explain to me how do i hold the n900 with my right hand in a way that i can *use* it | 00:59 |
| kerio | you know, with my right thumb | 00:59 |
| kerio | i like my right thumb | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, if I'm at home, 3g signal drops if I hold device on landscape with both hands tightly. I am, however, 9 kilometres from the 3g tower, and I'm not supposed to get 3g at all :) | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | When I'm town, there's pretty much no way I can make it lose signal :/ | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | i can | 01:00 |
| technomike | MohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions | 01:01 |
| hno | kerio: It's hard to use the navigate the screen with one hand without signal drop. Pretty much the same for left & right hand even if somewhat worse for right hand. | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | if i hold it tightly with my hands then i can make it switch to 2g | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | The 3g network here is much more sparse than the 2g :/ | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MUhahaha ""Nokia invested 1000s of manhours in studying how people hold their phone on calls hering music blabla"" typing texts bothanded into xchat??? obviously no!! fsckng hell | 01:01 |
| technomike | MohammadAG - Did you see what I just typed? | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | 3g has like half the range of 2g, and the 3g transmitters are twice as sparse too :/ | 01:02 |
| technomike | In reply | 01:02 |
| technomike | * MohammadAG_ | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | no, my router is being retarded | 01:02 |
| technomike | MohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions | 01:02 |
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| hno | kerio: Same problem in landscape mode if holding the phone with both hands naturally covering both short edges fully. | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | meh, not for me then | 01:02 |
| technomike | MohammadAG_ - http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=MAFW_Equalizer&fldAuto=1475&faq=34 | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | well, 3g is a problem | 01:03 |
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| ShadowJK | and here they use 900MHz 3g.. the problem is twice as big with 2100MHz 3g :-) | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | so, we all switch to 2g | 01:04 |
| jacekowski | as a protest | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as I say: holding N900 bothhanded frequently drops my 3G | 01:04 |
| nextime | uhmm | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | Like, even if the operator swaps out all their 900 MHz 2g-only towers to dualmode 2g/3g 900MHz towers, it'll still not be enough to create 3g coverage as good as 2g :/ | 01:05 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it happens here too :( | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | And 2g coverage here is like full bars all the time | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer51, hold it with your right hand | 01:05 |
| technomike | Can't believe 4G is finally released! Well, not fully. But apparently its in a few major cities in the USA which is also a shock that its released in USA so soon | 01:05 |
| kerio | never happens in the city btw | 01:05 |
| nextime | never noted any drop of connection speed holding bothhanded my n900 | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | in IL I can't get it to drop, in JO, it happens in low signal areas | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | 4g? | 01:05 |
| * ShadowJK is actually ircing on "4g" | 01:05 | |
| jacekowski | wimax? | 01:05 |
| hno | DocScrutinizer51: Not uncommon. | 01:05 |
| technomike | yeah | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, yes | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | well, wimax is like 10 years old technology | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG_: fool! it's the right hand that detunes the antenna | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | Got WiMax here too, quite crappy | 01:06 |
| technomike | Oh? | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | over 10 years old | 01:06 |
| technomike | Is it really fast? | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | i think wimax is older than 3g | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | Well, wimax is nicer than wifi and hsdpa :-) | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:06 |
| hno | Heh, I live in an odd place where 3G coverage is much better than 2G currently. Can barely use 2G at home, but 3G coverage is perfect. | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | It has lower latency than hsdpa, and it is fairer than wifi | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | my line in IL is faster | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | wimax has certain advantages | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | same speed though | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | err, same plan etc | 01:06 |
| technomike | Oh | 01:06 |
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| nextime | ShadowJK : anyway hsdpa latence isn't so bad | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: but unlike 2G, 3G is designed so you can run a home tower ;) | 01:07 |
| technomike | I think 4G LTE is the thing we need to be waiting for | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | technomike, does the equalizer always run? | 01:07 |
| technomike | luke-jr - You can? | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | LTE here too | 01:07 |
| nextime | here 4g will never be developed i think | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | I have fixed wimax. There's a satellite-dish shaped antenna mounted in a tower in my backyard (Yes, I my own personal antenna tower in my backyard), signal is great :-) | 01:07 |
| nextime | s/4g/wimax | 01:07 |
| technomike | MohammadAG_ - Yeah :( | 01:08 |
| technomike | You cannot disable it | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if nokai had *really* such high competence in usability and RF design, they had built the 3G antenna to upper half of device, aka screen half | 01:08 |
| nextime | ShadowJK : wimax or hyperlan? | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | nextime, wimax | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | technomike: technically. not legally most places | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer51, hey, at least it works :P | 01:08 |
| nextime | ShadowJK: where are you? | 01:08 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Still cool though | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | nextime, it's an alvarion receiver | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope it doesnt | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | nextime, .fi | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | someone on IRC had his nick turn into a nick_____ because the iPhone kept dropping the connection | 01:08 |
| nextime | ShadowJK : i have an alvarion too, but it is hyperlan :) | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | buuuuuu | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | i only have a fiber | 01:09 |
| hno | DocScrutinizer51: The antenna is optimized for using as a phone at your ear. Having it in the upper half do not work well in that use case. | 01:09 |
| nextime | jacekowski : sadly no fiber to my home, i live too far away from the city | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | i don't have any of that posh wireless stuff | 01:09 |
| technomike | Not being a fanboy here, but I really don't get what all the hype and buzz is around the iPhone, it cannot do most smartphone features and can hardly cope with Bluetooth | 01:10 |
| * MohammadAG_ suggests changing GSM specs to get rid of antennas | 01:10 | |
| MohammadAG_ | Steve Jobs approves ^ | 01:10 |
| ShadowJK | Also having it there exposes you to more radiation | 01:10 |
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| nextime | anyway, i have an SHDSL and an hyperlan, so, i'm quite happy | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hno: obviousy. and still fools keep claiming 'it's no phone! itt's NO PHONE!!" | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | technomike: it was a good phone | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | technomike: and it has a great marketing | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | technomike: which in turn created great app store | 01:10 |
| kerio | THE N900 IS NOT A PHONE | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | it's a traaaaaaaaaaaaaap | 01:11 |
| ml-mobile | heh | 01:11 |
| kerio | i can install a cellular modem with voice support in my laptop, it doesn't make it a phone | 01:11 |
| hno | The N900 can also be used as a phone if you insist on it. | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | kerio: it does | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | tracker rapes my CPU :( | 01:11 |
| technomike | kerio - Heh, well it has phone capability and I use it as a phone aswell as a mini-tablet-like-computer | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: at least it's not raping you | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, hmm, so it rapes you? | 01:12 |
| * MohammadAG purges tracker | 01:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hno: I just heard it's even optimized for phone usage | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: seriously? | 01:12 |
| nextime | mumble, 00:12 and i have not yet finished my work. I go to write code, bye all. | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | nextime, this is my internet connection: http://enivax.net/jk/wimax1.jpg | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hno: jacekowski obviously it's not optimized for NIT usage | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | I only had to climb halfway up to get a perfect signal ;-) | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | I guess that's rooftop height | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | wimax ideally requires optical visibility | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | (and yes, that's 20m "spare" cat5 I didn't feel like trimming) | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: ekhm | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: isn't that little bit like an overkill? | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | The operator supplied 50m cable | 01:14 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Wow, does it work well, what speeds do you get? | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | technomike: wimax is slow | 01:14 |
| technomike | Oh :o | 01:14 |
| technomike | So it doesn't live to all the hype ! | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | well, depends on definition of slow | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | it's not as fast as cable | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | Well, I'm only subscribing to the 1M service | 01:15 |
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| jacekowski | but plain old 100Mbit/s ethernet is a lot faster | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | but for a wireless | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | well, it's not too bad | 01:15 |
| hno | DocScrutinizer51: Not for NIT usage by lefthanded people, or righthanded people liking to hold it with both hands.. | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | geez | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | But it's pretty damn solid. I get more bandwidth on HSDPA+, but HSDPA sometimes has 5 second latencies, sometimes 1 second, sometimes stalls, sometimes needs a reconnect, etc.. | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | i'm getting old | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | wimax is atleast pretty consistent in what it delivers | 01:16 |
| technomike | I think in the future, mobile networks will just become ISPs, and we will use VoIP services or things like Skype to communicate | 01:16 |
| technomike | What do you think? | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | in other words, wimax feels very bug-free :-) | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | technomike: future? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | it will change when you will get more users | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hno: I really wonder how YOU use the hw kbd | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, you know, my landline telephone already runs over this wimax link. Company A supplies wimax. Company B used to supply telephone over copper wire with telephone number X. Company C now supplies VoIP over Company A's wimax to me, keeping my old telephone number X. :-) | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | the N900 hw kbd is terrible | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | worse than N810 even | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | holding with left and typing with right middle finger?? | 01:17 |
| hno | DocScrutinizer51: Mostly on wlan when using the keyboard. | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, it's nicer for some things, worse for other things | 01:18 |
| * FauxFaux likes it. /o\ | 01:18 | |
| ShadowJK | like, I love that I have $()\/ on hw keyboard, didn't have that on my N810 | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or probably in portait and typing with left thumb | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | otoh, I no longer have <> :/ | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I had them on N810 :p | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't | 01:18 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Wow thats epic. Just shows how everything is going wireless too! | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | but it's rather difficult to press keys | 01:19 |
| hno | The keyboard can be remapped if you like. | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | on N900 | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, it's only wireless because I'm too far to establish even a 128kbit adsl connection over copper wire | 01:19 |
| technomike | :o | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | Also, N810 had an Alt key | 01:19 |
| steinex | the n900 is missing a ethernet-plug really | 01:19 |
| steinex | :D | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | and two Shifts | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | The tower with the wimax basestation itself has no wired connectivity either. It has a microwave uplink to a master-tower 25km away from it :-) | 01:20 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - In a remote-like area then or something? | 01:20 |
| hno | steinex: USB networking works fine for me. | 01:20 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Wow! | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck micrwave, IR laser ftw | 01:21 |
| technomike | haha | 01:21 |
| hno | steinex: But sure, it's a little tricky to make the N900 available to the whole LAN that way, but definitely doable. | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, it's not "remote" by finnish standards :) | 01:21 |
| technomike | Ah :P | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, you know finnish cellphone operators have basestations in areas where they can't even get power :-) | 01:22 |
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| technomike | :o Wow | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | wtf | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | solar power? | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | Solar and wind | 01:22 |
| technomike | Thats epic | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's europe | 01:23 |
| technomike | Finland, well it is home of Nokia afterall ;) | 01:23 |
| kerio | solar power? in finland? | 01:23 |
| kerio | hah | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in USA they never heard abot such things :-P | 01:23 |
| kerio | i guess that makes up for all the sun we're wasting in italy :( | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | They developed a "vertical" wind turbine for it, that can be mast mounted | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't have "wings" like normal wind powerplants | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | looks more like an elongated screw | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a rotor | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 01:24 |
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| ShadowJK | looks like a drill :P | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | saronius rotor or somesuch | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | Also, when you take the ship and travel the sea over to sweden, you almost never lose reception | 01:25 |
| peb_ | DocScrutinizer51, Satorius ..was the name | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | If there's a tiny rock out there, an operator will have built a basestation on it | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | knew I was close :D | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh RTL sent from a ship for years. Still something on a drill platform out there | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | what happens if there's no wind for days? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then earth refuses to keep rotating | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | If the sun stops shining and the wind stops blowing, you lose coverage at sea and unsettled inland areas | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | once the battery banks run out | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and then no more towawy service can be called for your sail ship | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha | 01:29 |
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| SmokeyD_ | hey everyone, can I manually copy maps from osm to maemo mapper/mappero on my N900? Where should I put them? | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: the Earth doesn't rotate! | 01:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: radio | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | the Sun orbits | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | those batteries usually are designed for 3 days worst case | 01:30 |
| kerio | luke-jr: well, both | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and even dim daylight will recharge | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | The land stations with grid power are supposed to have 4 hour battery backup here, I believe | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | but I have no clue about the offgrid ones :) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | days | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one night is minimum for them to be of *any* use | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now take that * 10 | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | They better not let me visit one of those places | 01:33 |
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| ShadowJK | I already drooled when I saw the battery bank providing 24 hour backup for cellphone tower and 3000 landline exchange :P~ | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so let that be 3000W( | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WH | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | The building had a big friggin charge port on the outside :D | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Fsck Wh | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe 10000 | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | they have a semitruck with fuel tanks and a big generator to fastcharge their sites with during multiday outages :) | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | one thing i like about all the ridiculous "green" obsession is it makes my batteries last longer 8) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: primarily for first boot | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | Although multiday outage scenario has become exponentially more unlikely after legislation made power companies economically liable for outages >1h | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: forced SLA? wtf? XD | 01:37 |
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| luke-jr | if people really needed that, they'd have paid for it upfront, rather than being forced to eat the costs | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: green obsession?? | 01:37 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, well I for one hope it means my outlets will one day stop spewing fire and death during thunderstorms :D | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | thinking about it even 60.000Wh are nothing special. Easily mounted in 1..2m^3 in a rural basestation | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | lightning doesn't even have to hit the powerline, they turn out to be pretty awesome antenna to pick up the electromagnetical power of thunderstorms :) | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the place I was at ate 50Amps at 48V | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | so 2.4kW | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn that's not a small basestation, was it? | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | well.. mid 90s.. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | a normal BTS is more like 500...1000 max | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ABS MAX | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | it did landlines too | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | and maybe also NMT (1g) too | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and wasn't designed to run off green power (thanks for the term luke-jr ) | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: in the US, at least, every nutcase is worried about "global warming" and nonsense like that | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | UHUH | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, how can we speed up warming, so we can show off better our AC | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | in our Hummer | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | I have my first car with AC this summer | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | According to fuelpad | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do you mean they are worried about the rest of the world speaking about global warming? | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | AC uses about as much extra power as winter tyres in snow :-) | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | iow 10-20% or so :/ | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure the nutcasery is limited to the US | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, now I got what you're talking bout. "damn, they must be wrong with their global warming. where's the catch???" | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | "those canadians are evil!" | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and those Europeans | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | "so let's shake hands with China, and drill another hole in sea ground of mexican gulf" | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always kew it. USA is pole position in green energy. Sure | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the reason you buy the fuel by the gallon for a dime. Nobody wants that shit anymore in USA, they have to make it cheap to sell it | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | lol I wish | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | like $3/gal here | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are about same price for a L now | 01:50 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | however much a L is | 01:50 |
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| luke-jr | crazy Europeans and their backward decimal system :P | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | two pints, for the dudes without any clue | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | so a quart?\ | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | why not just say a quart then? :) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may cnvert it to flOz if you like, I really don't care about explaining a litre | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | you picked the wrong units to battle with | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | pints, quarts, pottles, gallons, etc are far superior to litre nonsense | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but only if counted in tonal | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | You have: 1 litre | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | You want: gallons * 0.26417205 / 3.7854118 | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | You have: | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | or binary | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | so approx 4x | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | units is your friend | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | ShadowJK: depends on who's gallon, imp or US? | 01:54 |
| smhar | any one here tested gnumeric on N900? | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: so what is that in galls? :p | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1t of water = 1m^3 = 1000L = 1000kg | 01:55 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: Unknown unit 'galls' | 01:56 |
| toggles_w | dammit.. | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | now please to that in gal, oz, feet, and inch, and pound | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | then tell me US got any sane units | 01:56 |
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| toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: the yanks will bust your balls all day about how there system is better, in/oz/gal etc, but ask them what their country runs on... | 01:57 |
| Guest66835 | duel anyone? | 01:57 |
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| toggles_w | they will say $, the fact it's metric is proof it's better ;-) | 01:57 |
| SmokeyD_ | nobody has tips on where I can put the tiles of maemo mapper on my n900? The docs all say you can specify the cache location, but the option isn't there on the n900, so I wonder where it is by default so I can put the tiles in there myself | 01:57 |
| Aquamannnn | #card Legendary Knight Hermos | 01:57 |
| SmokeyD_ | I don't want to use the maemo mapper builtin download thingy | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: I don't even dare to ask them where's north in their hometown | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or of the earth is a ball | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if | 01:58 |
| toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: they're not that scary, spent 10 years living there, most of them are good people as they say | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well maybe 50% of them. obviously at least 50% must have voted for bush though, TWO TIMES! | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: 1 US gallon = ~1.1448 galls | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: $ isn't metric | 02:01 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: thanks, can you put in a patch for units? ;-) | 02:01 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: ok, base 10 | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: nfc what units is | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: and that's why $ sucks | 02:01 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: apt-get units | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | I don't want to :P | 02:01 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | need src to patch | 02:01 |
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| toggles_w | luke-jr: apt-get source units | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | I use Gentoo | 02:02 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: emerge units | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | with tonal extensions | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 02:03 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 02:03 |
| toggles_w | night guys, bed time, i'm going to fling myself off the alps tomorrow.. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool - enjoy! beware of the thunderstorms and their devil thermics | 02:04 |
| toggles_w | will do | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otherwise you'll land in my garden, not any time aerlier than that | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: can't find source repo, so no :P | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: well, maybe on 30.000ft it's more confortable than down at ground level, so make the best of it ;-D | 02:08 |
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| MohammadAG | my N900 keeps forgetting time at reboots :S | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery? | 02:14 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, removing batteries | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that seems normal. Obviously Nokia is using same crappy hitachi backup LiIon cell we did on Openmoko. Break after 6 months from manuf date, for 90% of devices | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so no way to survive bat removal of >xx seconds | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also I found swapping SIM actually causes N900 to discard any RTC and ask for date/time/lang/locale | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can it be replaced? | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I know about the SIM part | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, if you find anything better, and a dude to solder it | 02:18 |
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| MohammadAG | nah, I can solder it myself, I'm 7331 | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~mohammadag | 02:19 |
| infobot | mohammadag is probably special | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can't recommend it. It's rather nasty to replace that cell, and you get same crap again, so 6 months later you got same shit. Probably faster, depending on your soldering skills, as the cells seem not to stand the high temperatures despite they are built to do | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | or.. i could blame ubuntu | 02:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 02:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maaaaybe | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | it might be crapping around with the RTC | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then buntkuh has no maens to detect battery removal | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you could easily tell apart | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-18 01:14:26] <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery? | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | well, I removed the battery, the N900 booted ubuntu instead of maemo | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | multiboot does that for some reason | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 often asks for date/time/lang/locale, but the values presented are always correct | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's bupbat, my recommendation is to use a primary cell like AG13 or somesuch, preferrably Litium 3V | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | the values here are always wrong | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | 1 Jan 2009 | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | or was it jun | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | charging primary lithium is ultrabad idea :-) | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't charge | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | charging AG13 is fine, you just get acid splatter :D | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge voltage is 2.5V | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also charging current is ~100uA | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | can Nokia change this under warranty? :) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, I don't want a broken power button, nvm | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's 7331 | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, at least good ol' stevy won't be able to shut it down from the side and say "hey, if you death grip it it drops the whole OS" | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody but you knows how to power up the device :-P | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | that too | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | though tbh I haven't powered off in some time | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | R&D mode seems to cause conflicts | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | the device always powers on if I shut it down | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a *feature* | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, an annoying one | 02:30 |
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| MohammadAG | k, gonna nail a router in the head, brb | 02:31 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, is gnumeric optified yet? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher --set-rd-options="force-poweron=0" | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll work out the right syntax | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flasher --clear-rd-flags | 02:33 |
| smhar | cuse | 02:33 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, because I think you are the one who ported it, right? | 02:34 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, oops, seems not.. sorry | 02:34 |
| ColdFyre | does anyone know with the n900 how to splice a micro-usb connector to the travel chrager..it seems that just doing the red/black does not provide enough for it to charge? | 02:35 |
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| FauxFaux | You probably need to short out those other things that I can't remember. | 02:35 |
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| swc|666 | so i'm ssh'd into my friend's N900 who had just flashed pr1.2, and when running apt-get dist-upgrade i get this... | 02:36 |
| swc|666 | http://pastie.org/1048904 | 02:36 |
| ColdFyre | you mean the green/white | 02:37 |
| swc|666 | any ideas how that is possible? 0o | 02:37 |
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| luke-jr | swc|666: lol, awesome | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ColdFyre: short the white and green | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | swc|666: I think he has something installed that conflicts ;) | 02:38 |
| ColdFyre | ok, here goes nothing... | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah use app manager :) | 02:38 |
| swc|666 | luke-jr, yeah its pretty much a fresh install, just rootsh and titan's power kernel | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ColdFyre: what the hell are you doing? | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | travel charger? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | THE travel charger? | 02:40 |
| FauxFaux | PCOW | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you are aware you need a stabilized 5.0V for that ? | 02:40 |
| ColdFyre | travel charger=wall charger | 02:41 |
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| luke-jr | swc|666: flashing PR1.2 doesn't uninstall 3rd party apps IIRC | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it *has* a micro-usb afaik :-P | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | ColdFyre, which wall charger? | 02:41 |
| ColdFyre | the usb connector broke | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 02:41 |
| ColdFyre | the charger that outputs 5dvdc | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just connect all 4 wires to the ones comming from Nokia wallcharger | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | ColdFyre, did the port on N900 break, or did the connector on the cable of the charger, that came with N900, break? | 02:42 |
| ColdFyre | just the cable | 02:42 |
| ColdFyre | the cable was flexed too much | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | Well in that case do what DocScrutinizer says | 02:42 |
| ColdFyre | i did, it works :) | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | Just making sure you're not trying to connect the charger directly to the battery, becuase that would be Very Bad(TM) | 02:43 |
| ColdFyre | ohhh no... | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can even survive it | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | lo | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | Well, yeah it's survivable.. | 02:44 |
| ColdFyre | i try not to break/burn stuff | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | But it's not pleasant | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | really bad would be to connect micro-usb to an old style barrel connector type charger | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | Oh? Wouldn't bq24150 raise fault for input overvolt? :) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, as I know Nokia devices, N900 should just yell and display "wrong charger Overvoltage!!" | 02:46 |
| ColdFyre | in the process of this splicing, i did make the new charger cable about 20 feet in length | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, "Not Charging" :P | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | handy for extended N900fly sessions | 02:46 |
| ColdFyre | it is almost as long as the cord for my vacuum cleaner | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, my old y2k 6210 said "Wrong Charger!" when connected to 12V :-P | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | is that in english locale or german locale? :P | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | english :-D | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | in German it'd be too long | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda amusing how you can gain more details from Nokia devices by re-running tests in as many languages as you know :) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | "falsches Ladegeraet!" | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | LANG=C means Finnish for Nokia. en_US is just a 3rd class language to them, sparsely supported :-P | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | hah | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, recovery charge. 6210 won't boot | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even on 9V :-P | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? problem isn't that new | 02:54 |
| Cold_cell | step it to 240 | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll wait another hour, till daily thunderstorm. Then place it on roof | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:55 |
| Cold_cell | hook it to the lhc | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | thunderstorms suck :/ | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUN!! | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *love* lighning | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I adore it | 02:55 |
| Cold_cell | until is strikes your pet frogs :( | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | still trying to find out about correctness of the info that lighning bolts emit neutrons, due to fusion reactions | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxzklQDQb-E lightning when contained is fun :) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | on 10 mio °C one or two hydrogen atoms may actually consider joining their lives | 02:58 |
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| ShadowJK | So like, um.. good luck detecting these neutrons? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but 30.000°C seem a lil low for Hydrogen fusion | 02:59 |
| ShadowJK | only a few hundred metres of humid air between supposed miniscule fusion and you with detector? :P | 03:00 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, I want that tesla thing running via USB on the N900 | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | kthxbye | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure. I'll not try to detect the neutrons by myself. Just trying to learn more | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, yeah | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I wonder how much those guys want to perform? :) | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol probably not much :P | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, you can do it yourself, if you have the coil :P | 03:06 |
| LiraNuna | we need something like this | 03:06 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/graffiti-for-android-scribbles-palm-os-memories-all-over-google/ | 03:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer burps | 03:07 | |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I'm not an artist | 03:08 |
| cehteh | huh strange since earlier today i have a weird led blink pattern sometimes (i didnt edited mce.init) | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, no one is born an artist :P | 03:09 |
| cehteh | sawtooth full white dimming a bit going full white again | 03:09 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, OK, let's put it this way: I think the cost of one performance from these guys is less than the cost of building my own tesla coils complete with aparatus for modulation and midi control | 03:10 |
| cehteh | no idea whats causing it | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: strange | 03:11 |
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| ShadowJK | never seen that | 03:13 |
| cehteh | guess i just reboot | 03:13 |
| cehteh | i have no such pattern in mce.ini | 03:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests testing all available patterns that claim to be white (rgb), via dbus-send | 03:14 | |
| cehteh | i know my patterns | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so somebody hacked your LP5523? :-P | 03:15 |
| cehteh | is it smbus? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I2C | 03:15 |
| * cehteh rather suspects a mce hickup | 03:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mce IS a hickup | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | i2c...smbus.. | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yea | 03:16 |
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| cehteh | ok rebooted, lets see if that happens again | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw there might be leftovers from e.g NOLO inside LP5523, if mce 'forgets' to init it again | 03:18 |
| cehteh | or some race when it pushes a new pattern | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | could easily be a repeated powerup scheme | 03:18 |
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| hno | how do you test a pattern with dbus-send? | 03:20 |
| cehteh | or my device starts to become self aware and wants to send me a message :) | 03:20 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses lp5523 driver for not reading out progarm area of the chip | 03:20 | |
| cehteh | you can test them in xchat too :P | 03:20 |
| cehteh | with my plugin one can test all patterns :) | 03:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses cehteh for xchat LED abuse and missing GUI for doing /notify_mode -L | 03:21 | |
| cehteh | hehe | 03:22 |
| cehteh | send patches | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | pissed me off for days now, until ShadowJK told me the 'trick' - WTF! | 03:22 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | patch on patch: s/+/-/ | 03:22 |
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| cehteh | it has a config file and buildin help | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff buildin help - I see, I see | 03:23 |
| cehteh | and last i added configureable defaults for a packager | 03:24 |
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| cehteh | guess youll never be happy | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact is: I copied over *ALL* .xchat2/* to new machine, after installing xchat, and it acted up on me | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I simply do not want new options enabled by default, on a app update. Esp if there's no obvious simple way to deal with them | 03:26 |
| cehteh | :P | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | really got angry on that flashing blue all day long, and even more after going thru all possible config option in setup, just to learn I wasted an hour of my time for nuttin | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | base^('I knew it' factor) | 03:29 |
| cehteh | you just didnt rtfm | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ftfm | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | couldn't be bothered to rtfm for an "update" I was *forced* to install, after I knew for month I don't like it and refused it until there was no other option. Hell I *know* TFM | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and still nobody cares to make a xchat+pythonplugin available, though that would be really an alternatve worth to get a second package, while that LED 'shit' just needed a correct default setup | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Imean, I don't care if you ship a xchat.cfg with that version that has LED enabled. But WTF I used my old nice config and it gave me LED. that's WRONG | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely wrong | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | best joke on that topic: even RST38h got issues with blue blinking LED lately | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | which he couldn't figure where they come from | 03:39 |
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| ShadowJK | the settings are not in the fm. | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | fm? | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | fine manual | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL!! | 03:41 |
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| ShadowJK | You would only know it had you followed the xchat on N900 thread on tmo. :) | 03:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer feeds a megaton of RTFM to cehteh | 03:42 | |
| ShadowJK | It's a wonderful feature, but I got so pissed off at it never doing what I wanted, so many times, that the command for controlling it was ethced into my brain | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | learning through pain | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | great! xchat masochist edition | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, no new feature must ever default to on, when config is missing in configfile | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | except *explicit* bugfixes maybe | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even then it's questionable | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you might have installed your own fix that collides | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | On the other hand, xchat plugins are pretty masochist to begin with | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | in the not-first version, the popup maemo dialog and stuff was disabled by default, iirc :) | 03:46 |
| Macer | just install irssi | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I wonder why we got such crap like "flash icon in systray" in preferences GUI (which afaikt is completely null function), and otoh the LED which I'd consider a valid replacement isn't controllable at all via prefs GUI | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: eat your irssi | 03:48 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: :) | 03:48 |
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| ShadowJK | the systray thing worked on N810 and might work on N900 if one installs that notification area thingy :/ | 03:49 |
| Macer | haha | 03:49 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: sorry. just grew fond of irssi | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, fait enough. Wasn't aware there's such thingy | 03:49 |
| Macer | once everything is set up correctly it works greater than anything else i've ever tried | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair* | 03:50 |
| Macer | just don't get all the pointy clicky stuff | 03:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I use xchat as an interface to irssi's proxy module | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I never will accidentally answer in wrong channel anyway, when using xchat | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 03:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Not sure how to do that in irssi either :-) | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | it just seems to do sensible things on itself, like creating a new window for each new channel | 03:52 |
| Macer | heh | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | But then again my expectations are probably somewhat low. I got introduced to CLI IRC clients with ircII-epic :-( | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never gave irssi a try, as on terminal I do terminal stuff, not chat. In reverse conclusion I don't need a terminal in my irc client :-P | 03:52 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. i'm a big fan of running it on my shell box at home and running screen and sshing to it | 03:53 |
| Macer | i guess it is just one of those things that just stuck ;) | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's as clumsy as can get. I'm using a bouncer as that's the right way to deal with that | 03:54 |
| Macer | heh | 03:54 |
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| Macer | well.. the bouncer is still dependent on you being connected to it | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | irssi is my bouncer :) | 03:54 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no wai, Quassel! | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: ooh so screen isn't? | 03:54 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i just meant that if you are not connected to the bouncer you will be disconnected from irc ;) | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope I won't | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the point of a bouncer | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | Macer: fail | 03:55 |
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| Macer | i thought bouncers did just that | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, except buffer playback of course | 03:56 |
| Macer | bounced you off another box to the ircd | 03:56 |
| ShadowJK | I remember trying to collaborate with someone at university, the computer halls were so full he only found a free computer in another room. It was pretty painful to use chat (I think that was it?) :( | 03:56 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: er | 03:56 |
| Macer | that is what i meant | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? | 03:56 |
| Macer | nm | 03:56 |
| Macer | :) | 03:56 |
| Macer | happy bouncing | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | Quassel wins. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: client or bouncer? | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the line is blurry | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | :D | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | Quassel is a client, but it has 2 processes | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | which don't need to be on the same system | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds interesting | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | basically a proprietary bouncer + proprietary-protocol client | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | but it does much more than a bouncer | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | got that | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | sane scrollback, and such | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds nice | 03:58 |
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| ShadowJK | please elaborate "sane scrollback" | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: it looks just like any other GUI client if you never disconnected | 04:02 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | including timestamps, etc | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | oh, and IIRC the scrollback is infinite | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | even if you restart the bouncer-part | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should, if the bouncer keeps proper logs | 04:03 |
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| luke-jr | it doesn't | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | it has a db | 04:03 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, worst thing about scrollback which is visible after reconnecting.. | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice standard timestamps are a real advantage though | 04:04 |
| lcuk | on my 900 xchat shows historical | 04:04 |
| lcuk | and i sometimes ponder answering some things | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | buffer playback over standard irc prot from bouncer to client always has the issue with two timestamps | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | I've never seen anyone/client/bouncer/server actually USE the standard IRC port | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | protocol, not port | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | oops | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | gotta wonder why FreeNode doesn't support the standard port tho :) | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | you know, 194 | 04:06 |
| ShadowJK | lol? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the client doesn't know it's playback and prepends current time | 04:06 |
| * ShadowJK wonders briefly if ports are mentioned in RFC1459 | 04:06 | |
| ShadowJK | Worryingly, this is the only rfc I remember the number of :) | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | konqueror has "rfc:1459" shortcut by default | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | Though if someone started waving the ircnet rfc around I'd probably recognize the number | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was that me implementing it some decades ago? :-P | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers | 04:08 |
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| ShadowJK | 6667 is the standard irc port, iana can go fuck themselve | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | lanana (or whatever) too :P | 04:08 |
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| luke-jr | RFC1459 uses 6667 | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | but onyl as examples | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | There was actually, if I don't remember entirely wrong, a short period of time when people tried to promote the use of the iana assigned ssl-irc port.. | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | But <1024 was unpromotable really. | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems there are more abstract ways to specify the port | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a particular irc server | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (DNS ?) | 04:12 |
| ShadowJK | Nah. afaik, every network ended up with their own port number | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | dig SRV _irc._tcp.irc.freenode.net | 04:14 |
| ShadowJK | And various ferocious attempts to promote alternate ports to defeat various bots hammering the "standard" 6667,etc | 04:14 |
| * luke-jr glares at FreeNode | 04:14 | |
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| ShadowJK | FreeNode as an irc server operator community member is about as upstanding as an AOL user was on the wider internet back in the days. | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I was wrong | 04:15 |
| ShadowJK | So don't expect too much. | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep, that's what I thought of | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems it's missing the port though? | 04:17 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't exist | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | umm the url resolves | 04:33 |
| luke-jr | ... | 04:33 |
| luke-jr | I didn't give a URl | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | and _irc._tcp.irc.freenode.net doesn't resolve to anything | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | it returns a NXDOMAIN (no such domain) result with SOA/authority | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | how'd you query SIP for sipgate.de? | 04:38 |
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| luke-jr | dig SRV _sip._udp.sipgate.de ? | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, thought so, but returns same empty | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I thought sipgate supports that SRV query | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | I think only XMPP actually uses SRV | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | dig SRV _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com | 04:39 |
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| yigal | does anyone here use Facebook? | 05:18 |
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| yigal | I was gonna make fun of u if u did | 05:21 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | C760 = 1G handheld; N810 = 2G handheld; N900 = 3G handheld | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | (NanoNote = wtf is this thing good for? :P) | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | N1 = 4G ? | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | if N1 is 4G, I want 5G :P | 06:18 |
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| ppman | I have maemo-pan installed, | 06:42 |
| ppman | I've paired to my phone, | 06:42 |
| ppman | it's running internet sharing and is waiting for the pan connection | 06:42 |
| ppman | I can't figure out how do make a pan connection | 06:42 |
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| ppman | this is frustrating | 07:20 |
| ppman | I had a dummy connection before | 07:20 |
| ppman | but I deleted it, thinking it was from the previous owner | 07:20 |
| ppman | so now I'm lost - how do I get it back? | 07:21 |
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| TermanaN900 | yello | 07:35 |
| ppman | hiya | 07:36 |
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| ppman | nobody can help me with maemo-pan? | 07:45 |
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| yigal | wow man that's cool you're old school with n8x0 | 07:50 |
| ppman | I just bought it | 07:51 |
| yigal | good to hear | 07:51 |
| ppman | n900 is small, plus it's not 3g compatible with AT&T | 07:51 |
| ppman | so it's not an option | 07:51 |
| yigal | the right size screen, just a tad under powered | 07:51 |
| yigal | n8x0 for you | 07:51 |
| yigal | I purchased the n900 after waiting 6 months for something better | 07:52 |
| ppman | I can do wifi sharing through my phone, but that wastes power like crazy | 07:52 |
| yigal | ya, bluetooth is the only way | 07:52 |
| ppman | so if PAN support works, it'll be a great device for me | 07:52 |
| yigal | ppman: it depends on your phone | 07:52 |
| ppman | touch pro | 07:53 |
| yigal | what is it? | 07:53 |
| ppman | winmo | 07:53 |
| yigal | right | 07:53 |
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| yigal | have there been any cases of tpro working with a nit? | 07:53 |
| ppman | is the n810 supposed to list PAN in the supported profiles? | 07:53 |
| ppman | touch pro is the same software-wise as every other winmo phone, really.. | 07:54 |
| ppman | same exact stack on very similar hardware | 07:54 |
| ppman | I even had the "DUMMY" connection - it irks me that I killed it | 07:55 |
| yigal | just started to read http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24801 | 07:55 |
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| ppman | I don't think the DUN hack still works for wm6.5 | 07:56 |
| yigal | ah | 07:56 |
| yigal | ok | 07:56 |
| ppman | and that's sub-optimal anyway | 07:56 |
| ppman | does the n810 need to see that the device supports PAN? | 07:56 |
| yigal | ppman: ya, I don't know the internals I'm afraid | 07:57 |
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| yigal | ppman: this seems like a leed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411520 | 07:58 |
| ppman | nmp | 08:00 |
| ppman | they pair just fine | 08:00 |
| ppman | I've paried about 50 times today, trying to get this to work | 08:00 |
| yigal | ya good luck, I'm sorry I can't help you more | 08:01 |
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| yigal | ppman: which other WinMo phones work with n810? | 08:08 |
| yigal | many? | 08:08 |
| ppman | I see a lot of refence to the dash, at least | 08:09 |
| ppman | might have been some luck with kaiser.. | 08:09 |
| ppman | I think most people with success don't talk about it ;) | 08:09 |
| ppman | so according to this link, maemo-pan should make a new type of connection? | 08:09 |
| ppman | not so | 08:09 |
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| ppman | does it matter which maemo version I have? | 08:12 |
| ppman | I may be dumb, but I think I have maemo 5 on here.. | 08:12 |
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| yigal | you have Diablo, 4 | 08:14 |
| ppman | okay, so I don't.. | 08:14 |
| ppman | but I have a confusing version string | 08:14 |
| ppman | version 5.2008.43-7 | 08:15 |
| yigal | ppman: what is the advantage of DUN over PAN? | 08:15 |
| ppman | nothing | 08:16 |
| yigal | just that tp or at&t doesn't support DUN | 08:16 |
| ppman | apparently, you might be able to make calls over it, but for networking, PAN is infinitely better | 08:16 |
| ppman | winmo dropped DUN support | 08:16 |
| ppman | officially, they haven't and "it's the supplier's fault", but really | 08:16 |
| ppman | winmo -> no dun. | 08:17 |
| ppman | and ICS over usb has worked for a long time. | 08:17 |
| ppman | I don't have much bluetooth hardware, so never really tried PAN. | 08:17 |
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| yigal | sorry that bt isn't working well for you it can really be nice | 08:19 |
| yigal | ppman: it's a weird naming convention, [4-5].2008.xy-z the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo, shows yours as a part, the last official release, of Diablo | 08:23 |
| ppman | so I'm at latest? good. | 08:23 |
| yigal | for instance the n900's latest OS is 10.2010.19-1 | 08:24 |
| yigal | ppman: there is work being done to use Freemantle work on the n8x0 I'm not sure what's become of this work. Have you installed telescope? | 08:25 |
| ppman | telescope? | 08:25 |
| yigal | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 | 08:25 |
| ppman | and I don't want fremantle apparently, | 08:25 |
| ppman | and people have trouble with maemo-pan and diablo anyway.. | 08:26 |
| yigal | no, but it is the current Maemo OS | 08:26 |
| yigal | Freemantle that is | 08:26 |
| yigal | so you're sure it isn't your carrier doing something nasty | 08:26 |
| ppman | people were saying a while ago that n810 hardware is missing things fremantle needs | 08:26 |
| ppman | absolutely sure | 08:26 |
| ppman | I've got a new rom on the device | 08:27 |
| ppman | so, they're doing nothing in software, | 08:27 |
| ppman | and I've used ICS before over usb, | 08:27 |
| ppman | so no network limitations either | 08:27 |
| yigal | perhaps attempt to use a friends phone that should work | 08:28 |
| ppman | I'm sure DUN will work... | 08:28 |
| ppman | I just can't figure out how to make a PAN connection | 08:28 |
| yigal | the n810 is really a beautiful looking device | 08:28 |
| ppman | so any PAN phone will give me troublew | 08:28 |
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| yigal | ppman: so you've tethered your tp with a bt enabled laptop/desktop? | 08:30 |
| ppman | no, not yet - I will try when I get a hold of one, | 08:30 |
| ppman | it uses the same software to do usb, though | 08:30 |
| ppman | and I can't get a pan connection | 08:31 |
| ppman | also, what happened to a maemo version starting with E? | 08:32 |
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| ppman | oh wow, think I got it | 08:38 |
| ppman | bottom of bug 3306 tells how to make the dummy connection again if you've lost it | 08:38 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 DUMMY connections not visible in Select connection dialog | 08:38 |
| ppman | and that seems to have connected | 08:39 |
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| toggles_w | luke-jr: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sci-calculators/units ebuild: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sci-calculators/units/units-1.88.ebuild | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: neither are source repositories | 08:39 |
| toggles_w | the ebuild points you to ftp.gnu.org | 08:40 |
| ppman | aw, well it thinks it has connected.. | 08:40 |
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| toggles_w | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/ | 08:40 |
| ppman | it got a 169. address, and can't connect to anything, | 08:40 |
| ppman | but at least it thinks it made a pan connection | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: FTP != source repository | 08:42 |
| toggles_w | fair enough, figured you'd patch it for gentoo then email the maintainer... but you could try this http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=units | 08:45 |
| ppman | bah, getting far too late - I will bother with this tomorrow. | 08:46 |
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| luke-jr | toggles_w: wtf? who uses CVS anymore | 08:46 |
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| toggles_w | lol, if it's too hard just say so | 08:48 |
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| luke-jr | it is | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | Unicode doesn't even define the symbols required | 08:49 |
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| ian_r | hi all | 08:53 |
| ian_r | just promoted the okuda theme to extras-testing, so please test and vote if you have time. | 08:54 |
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| ian_r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=755472 | 08:55 |
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| ilius | how to find my mac address in N900? | 10:02 |
| ilius | there is no command ifconfig | 10:02 |
| PolarFox | it's /sbin/ifconfig | 10:04 |
| ilius | oh yes | 10:04 |
| ilius | ok | 10:04 |
| PolarFox | sbin is not in the $PATH /me thinks | 10:04 |
| sheepbat | it probably is for superuser | 10:04 |
| PolarFox | yeah... you are right. | 10:05 |
| Trizt | the System/Settings/About application shows the MAC too | 10:20 |
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| Macer | finally! | 11:26 |
| Macer | DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: CN,TW | 11:26 |
| Macer | :) | 11:26 |
| Macer | die china die | 11:26 |
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| jaem | 'Morning | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 11:27 |
| jaem | Ville Vainio of Forum Nokia is haunting my computer. | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 11:28 |
| jaem | I started playing a video demo of something by him, and killing Firefox won't stop his voice. O_o | 11:28 |
| swc|666 | Macer, now drop AFRNIC and your golden ;) | 11:28 |
| jaem | Stupid Flash | 11:28 |
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| jaem | Seriously, what the heck? | 11:29 |
| jaem | Gah... stupid nspluginwrapper. | 11:29 |
| * jaem shakes his fist at Adobe | 11:29 | |
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| Macer | haha | 11:37 |
| Macer | afrnic? | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | jaem: err | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | don't blame flash for a stupid app | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a bug in nspluginwrapper | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | which is a third party pos | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | why are you using nspluginwrapper btw? | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (what version of firefox, 64bit? which version of flash? 64bit?) | 11:38 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp: I know that. I was blaming Adobe for dropping 64-bit Linux Flash support instead of patching the security bug like they did for all the other platforms. | 11:39 |
| jaem | I either use 32-bit via nspluginwrapper, or I use the last released 64-bit build, which is insecure. | 11:39 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp: any other options? I'd try them gladly. | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | if you use 32bit ff4beta + 32bit flash | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't need pluginwrapper | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and you get out of process flash | 11:39 |
| jaem | Hmm... that's a thought, actually. | 11:40 |
| * jaem will try that. | 11:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | make sure you aren't using nspluginwrapper when you do it | 11:40 |
| jaem | Heh, no, definitely not. | 11:40 |
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| jaem | On the other hand, this looks shiny | 11:43 |
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| * jaem was seduced away from non-broken Flash by the beckoning glow of the FF4b-pgo build | 11:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:45 |
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| Macer | DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: AF,CN,HK,KP,KR,PK,VN,TW | 11:47 |
| Macer | weeeee! | 11:47 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: I think I asked this on here before, but if I wanted to get an install running on the N810 without X, and with working networking and reasonable power management, could I do that without lots of pain? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | will answer after breakfast | 11:49 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: Fair enough. :) | 11:49 |
| Macer | jaem: talk to luke-jr .. he has gentoo | 11:49 |
| Macer | :) | 11:49 |
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| jaem | Macer: right, yeah... I might have to go with that. | 11:50 |
| Macer | not sure how well he has the power thing working out but i know he had gentoo running fairly well on it | 11:50 |
| Macer | maybe a few glitches but worked well enough | 11:50 |
| jaem | I want to look into connecting the N810 to a wristwatch, but I don't need anything fancy... like X. | 11:51 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: just strip off stuff X stuff from maemo? | 11:51 |
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| jaem | slonopotamus: That was my first thought. I would be fine with a basic console. What I wasn't sure about was how easy it was to fiddle with wifi from the command line on Diablo. | 11:55 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: well, you can try that _before_ killing X :) | 11:57 |
| jaem | slonopotamus: yes indeed. | 11:57 |
| jaem | But where's the fun in that? ;) | 11:57 |
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| slonopotamus | jaem: if you want fun, try gentoo :) i use wpa_supplicant in it for wifi | 11:58 |
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| jaem | slonopotamus: I think that would be best. I've never used Gentoo on the desktop, so I wasn't sure about diving in on the N810. I probably will, when I have time. | 11:59 |
| jaem | Thanks. | 11:59 |
| jaem | The watch won't ship for a while anyway. | 12:00 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: well, building packages on n810 isn't very fast :) | 12:00 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: afaik, there's also ubuntu for n8x0 so you can use it without X too (and i'm sure it has sane commandline wifi tools) | 12:02 |
| jaem | Right, I assume you're talking about b-man's build? | 12:02 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: and it should be easier for you to use than gentoo. | 12:02 |
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| slonopotamus | maybe :) | 12:02 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 yep, b-man | 12:04 |
| * RST38h yawns | 12:04 | |
| jaem | thanks for the link | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Gentoo? What Gentoo? | 12:04 |
| jaem | RST38h: it went that way -> | 12:04 |
| slonopotamus | err, wut? b-man claims he doesn't have sound working | 12:05 |
| jaem | slonopotamus: He didn't, at one point. I thought he fixed it, though | 12:05 |
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| slonopotamus | jaem: maybe that post is outdated. though google doesn't give me anything newer | 12:06 |
| jaem | I'm not sure - I haven't looked at it in quite a while | 12:07 |
| slonopotamus | jaem: how are you goint to use n810 with a watch? (just curious) | 12:07 |
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| jaem | slonopotamus: It's currently hypothetical, as I don't have my hands on the hardware. I'm hoping it will work... | 12:08 |
| jaem | slonopotamus: It's this watch: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos | 12:08 |
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| jaem | slonopotamus: what do you think? | 12:12 |
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| slonopotamus_ | jaem: i don't know what is your usecase | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: for minimal usage, either gentoo or meego | 12:16 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: Alrighty. | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have wifi in meego yet. | 12:18 |
| jaem | slonopotamus_: Just experimenting with it to being with. | 12:18 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: Meh... I should install it anyway, to follow development. I've been out of the loop because I didn't have a device with MeeGo installed. That will motivate me. :) | 12:19 |
| Macer | jaem: what are you going to do with that watch? | 12:19 |
| Macer | build meego for it? :) | 12:20 |
| Macer | heh. that would be neet | 12:20 |
| jaem | Macer: Sadly, no. It's only 16-bit | 12:20 |
| jaem | Not to mention the 32KB Flash/4KB RAM. | 12:20 |
| Macer | ouch | 12:20 |
| jaem | It still looks quite interesting, though, and I am a gadget-lover. | 12:20 |
| Macer | there isn't a stronger watch? | 12:21 |
| jaem | Macer: Probably, but this one is cheap and hackable. | 12:21 |
| Macer | :) well. i meant a cheap hackable watch that is stronger | 12:21 |
| jaem | There was a watch from someone (Fossil?) that ran PalmOS, IIRC, but it was expensive. | 12:21 |
| jaem | Macer: Stronger==? | 12:21 |
| jaem | More powerful? No, probably not. | 12:21 |
| jaem | This one is $50, and there is an Open Source firmware project for it, apart from the ability to make your own full-custom FW. | 12:22 |
| Macer | http://www.freeos.com/articles/3800 | 12:22 |
| RST38h | PalmOS only requires 68020 | 12:22 |
| jaem | Macer: yep, that never got out of the lab, unfortunately. | 12:23 |
| Macer | that sucks :) | 12:23 |
| RST38h | You want a proper ARM watch, the one using MTK chipset | 12:23 |
| Macer | that thing looks awesome | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Of course, good luck finding any info on programming that chipset | 12:23 |
| jaem | RST38h: which watch are you thinking of, out of curiousity? | 12:24 |
| RST38h | jaem: Any of so called "Chinese cell phoen watches" | 12:24 |
| jaem | Oh, those. Yeah, well, I wouldn't trust most of those. | 12:25 |
| jaem | Gah, I neeed to go to bed. | 12:25 |
| jaem | G'night, all. | 12:25 |
| jaem | ...oh, that's why it's abnormally warm - I'm compiling | 12:25 |
| jaem | Huh | 12:25 |
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| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Wrist-PDA-Palm-OS/dp/B00009QR9X | 12:28 |
| Macer | unavailable | 12:28 |
| Macer | but you can get the palm sdk :) heh | 12:28 |
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| Macer | http://www.gumstix.com/ | 12:30 |
| Macer | hm | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | Macer: it is literally a fossil now | 12:34 |
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| Macer | yeah i guess you're right | 12:35 |
| Macer | ;) | 12:35 |
| Macer | but maybe someone can get something going on it heh | 12:35 |
| Macer | maybe doubtful | 12:35 |
| Macer | but it's a watch | 12:35 |
| Macer | what can you expect. although you would think this day and age... | 12:35 |
| Macer | a cell phone watch / mp3 player / video player / email reader / etc would be a viable thing | 12:35 |
| Macer | i suppose someone can throw the time of the day in there somewhere too ;) | 12:36 |
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| RST38h | Get yourself a Chinese watch | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Ask Arkenoi how. | 12:39 |
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| kerio | hmm... does flashlight-applet block the red recording led somehow? | 13:03 |
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| alterego | kerio: werent you talking about this yesterday? :P | 13:03 |
| kerio | yeah | 13:03 |
| kerio | then i went to sleep | 13:03 |
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| kerio | for like 10 hours | 13:03 |
| alterego | kerio: I think the flashlight applet stops the red led and gstreamer from using the camera. | 13:03 |
| kerio | god i love vacation | 13:03 |
| alterego | Hence why the camui crashes .. | 13:03 |
| kerio | alterego: no, even without the applet enabled | 13:04 |
| alterego | Oh | 13:04 |
| alterego | I'll check. | 13:04 |
| alterego | Still works for me. | 13:05 |
| alterego | (recording video) I just blinded my self with the flash trying to take a photograph | 13:05 |
| kerio | :/ | 13:05 |
| alterego | Have you tried uninstalling it? :) | 13:05 |
| alterego | But tbh, when it's not actually "on" it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the lights/camui | 13:06 |
| kerio | then... wtf | 13:06 |
| kerio | my red led is broken D: | 13:06 |
| alterego | Have you tried uninstalling it? | 13:07 |
| alterego | How have you been testing the red led? | 13:08 |
| kerio | alterego: record a video | 13:08 |
| alterego | Hrm, yeah. | 13:08 |
| TermanaN900 | alterego, yesterday he said he never noticed it ever :P | 13:08 |
| kerio | does the kernel-power disable it? | 13:09 |
| kerio | that's the other possible explanation | 13:09 |
| Macer | i want to see a documentary about the nazis that isn't biased | 13:10 |
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| Galdor2 | maemo | 13:12 |
| kerio | maemo? | 13:12 |
| alterego | What's "kernel-power"? | 13:12 |
| alterego | # | 13:12 |
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| alterego | kerio: I think you should flash your phone and check to see if your LED works under normal circumstances. | 13:12 |
| kerio | alterego: the epic kernel in the repos | 13:13 |
| Galdor2 | maemo | 13:13 |
| kerio | Galdor2: maemo! | 13:13 |
| Galdor2 | yes. but why? | 13:13 |
| kerio | "why" what? | 13:14 |
| alterego | kerio: Oh, the "Power Users Kernel"? | 13:14 |
| alterego | :P | 13:14 |
| Galdor2 | kerio: why maemo? | 13:14 |
| kerio | alterego: i refuse to call packages by their display name | 13:14 |
| alterego | I suppose it's possible that would interfere, I'm suprised no one else has not noticed it if that's the case. Have you asked someone else that uses that kernel? | 13:14 |
| kerio | it's a kernel that also allows overclocking | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | mooo | 13:15 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer will kick me | 13:15 |
| Galdor2 | kerio: maemo | 13:15 |
| kerio | :D | 13:15 |
| TermanaN900 | hello DocScrutinizer | 13:15 |
| kerio | Galdor2: ask nokia | 13:15 |
| Galdor2 | do you concur? | 13:15 |
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| kerio | i concur | 13:19 |
| Galdor2 | why | 13:19 |
| kerio | kernel-power doesn't talk about red leds | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: hard. Maybe watch films not at all about NS, like "Lord of theFlies" or "The Experiment" | 13:19 |
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| kerio | Macer: inglorious basterds | 13:19 |
| Galdor2 | maemo | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: lol, not biased? | 13:20 |
| Galdor2 | why not | 13:20 |
| alterego | kerio: doesn't mean it wont break it :P | 13:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it overwraps the biasedness | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, like watching Mel Brooks Lord Helmet and his troops, for telling the future | 13:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~trout kerio | 13:25 |
| * infobot slaps kerio around a bit with a large trout! | 13:25 | |
| alterego | The power kernel should constantly show the red led just so you know you're living dangerously :P | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | *nod* | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: could I talk you into running lfocus python (the few relevant lines) and see what's happening to the red led? | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or wait, just install the app lfocus (however useless it may be) and just try to switch on and off white LED and red LED | 13:29 |
| kerio | will do | 13:32 |
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| kerio | doesn't work :( | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you checked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46427 ? | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: doesn't work means what? lfocus doesn't install? or you feel like it doesn't do anything like advertised? or it actually can switch e.g. white video light on, just your red LED is like broken? | 13:40 |
| kerio | the white led flashes, the red one soesn't | 13:40 |
| kerio | doesn't | 13:40 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: neopwn.com is back up | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | white LED : should turn on like torch-flashlight, when you're recording video and do the q-w on-off hwkbd switching | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I first had to enable hw-kbd in systray menu iirc | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo crashanddie | 13:43 |
| kerio | the white one works fine | 13:43 |
| kerio | and really, i don't care about the red one | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but does lfocus work with the white LED? | 13:43 |
| kerio | i see it flashing when i tap the button in the lfocus menu | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: see, I also don't care about *your* red led. But it's all about learning here, to find out what's up with that bugger | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning Jaffa - long time no see | 13:45 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Busy days :-( | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | beter than boring days | 13:46 |
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| kerio | it works properly with the white led | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and not at all with the red one? | 13:48 |
| Macer | kerio: that's not a documentary ;) | 13:49 |
| Macer | i didn't watch much of it when i did see it. i only got to the part where ze german killed the family under the floorboards | 13:49 |
| Macer | i'm watching consipracy now | 13:49 |
| Macer | it is amazing how ... easily they made this decision | 13:50 |
| Macer | i'm reading hte minutes now :) | 13:50 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: nope | 13:51 |
| kerio | -vOv- | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: so odds are your hw is actually broken. hmm | 13:52 |
| kerio | :( | 13:52 |
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| kerio | should i care? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 13:52 |
| kerio | i mean, what's the red light used for? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you like a lightswap for a new motherboard, then this would be an opportunity | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nothing inportant really | 13:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wow, i fire up xchat and users net split | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ping | 13:54 |
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| kerio | a swap for what? | 13:55 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: it's all your fault! | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: my keyboard splits as soons as you log in!! | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it respects me | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, I know :( | 13:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i guess i can reflash it to test it properly... | 13:57 |
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| kerio | is there a way to make a complete dump i can restore with the flasher? | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's a bootmenu entry someone made | 13:58 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: to make a 1:1 backup? | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: most wanted feature (complete image) that seems nobody has achieved yet | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've tried to x-ray that phone | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: with proper inspection x-ray | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it was both fun and useless | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | and bloke that was doing it for me said that it would work with higher energy | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, afaik it uses dd | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | so yes | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | but at energy required to get usefull results it would wipe flash as well | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: where's my beer you owe me? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc you failed epically on flashing an image created with dd | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, dd failed to create a proper dd | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | you can't dd live filesystem | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can dd a dead filesystem | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | yes | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | but how do you plan to dd dead filesystem? | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | mount -o remount,ro / | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah that's all pretty nice and true and whatnot, but can you *flash* it? | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | i have ubuntu, fedora and nitdroid running | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | k, last one might be useless | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | you need headers | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | otherwise nolo will refuse to flash it | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm? | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | nolo failed | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | when i flashed it | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | and checksums as well | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | so you have header, header version, and crc32 | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | + i think every block in fiasco is checksummed as well | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | so how does that app supposedly work? | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | it's not flashing fiasco | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh? | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it sounds *cute* | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | hmm let me check something | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmmm, he says flash 1.2 fiasco first then flash the image made with dd | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | is nolo _that_ stupid? | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | you can't flash that | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | unless you are doing it without nolo | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | or flasher is building fiasco image | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | he's using flasher-3.5 | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | idk, not gonna test this | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | too many custom changes | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | it could be flasher that's building fiasco image for nolo | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | fiasco-gen makes fiasco images, not flasher | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | btw. do you know that nolo has limits on fiasco image size | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | and it's up to mem size | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | because it's recieving data | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | and then it's flashing after that | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes i know | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | iirc | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | when flashing failed here | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | it said unexpected EOF | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | so i'm guessing dd failed | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | :D awww thanks | 14:21 |
| rmrfchik | hmm... while building application for "Maemo" targer in Nokia Qt SDK, I go "Packaging failed" | 14:21 |
| rmrfchik | No more error messages | 14:22 |
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| Macer | Two Iron Cross First Class recipients were women, one of whom was test pilot Hanna Reitsch. One of the Muslim SS members to receive the award was SS Obersturmführer Imam Halim Malkoć | 14:26 |
| Macer | wow. a muslim nazi? | 14:27 |
| rmrfchik | why not? | 14:27 |
| ajf_ | rmrfchik: if you're not already, maybe try it in the maemo sdk scratchbox | 14:27 |
| Macer | rmrfchik: i thought nazis were anti-non-christians | 14:27 |
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| rmrfchik | nazi is about nationalizm. That is, about caring about your origin. | 14:29 |
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| Macer | then how could judaism be considered origin? | 14:34 |
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| Macer | as a religion it is possible that people could be converts | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: nazis were not positive about christian church either | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if anything they were involved with Wotan and/or crude satanism/other_BS | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | so far off topic i think its on another planet :S | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I seem to remember politics is strictly off topic generally | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack | 14:47 |
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| * DocScrutinizer stabs lcuk to test if he's (been) asleep again | 14:51 | |
| lcuk | nope, ive had breakfast and had a good laugh at youtubers | 14:51 |
| * lcuk quotes: | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's "magic". But since it is not, I would have to guess it has something to do with the camera focusing sensor (not the camera it self) and line crossing. | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | breakfast... sounds like something familiar - long ago. Should probably try to remember about what it was | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:53 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM (for those who dont know where) | 14:53 |
| lcuk | so i should just get an iphone shell around my n900 | 14:53 |
| lcuk | and then it would be magic? | 14:54 |
| * lcuk might get iphone sdk and try it | 14:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: naaw | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | i really think that search feature in iphone was one of the best things about that phone | 14:55 |
| lcuk | does iphone code run fast enough? | 14:55 |
| * lcuk ponders | 14:55 | |
| jacekowski | i mean, seriously, it takes ages to find any e-mail | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: do you run fast enough to escape from iphone? | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | partialy because modest is a disaster | 14:55 |
| alterego | lcuk: should do, it's mostly objective C | 14:56 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, mm? grab modest code and see if a better search can be implemented | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | search? in modest?? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | all new to me | 14:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, is obj C fully compiled | 14:56 |
| * lcuk does not know | 14:57 | |
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| alterego | Yes | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it is | 14:57 |
| lcuk | i thought it was like c# and java etc | 14:57 |
| alterego | It's just C with a bit of crappy OOP tacked on to make it look quite ugly. | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 14:57 |
| alterego | No | 14:57 |
| alterego | Objective-C probably predates the idea of bytecode VM's tbh :) | 14:57 |
| lcuk | cool, so its more like CFront (C with objects) | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's a bit too negative | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: thing is that iphone had phonewide search | 14:57 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I don't like it :) | 14:58 |
| kerio | objc is not that bad afaik | 14:58 |
| alterego | C++ is better imo .. | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: and it was working quite fast | 14:58 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CtynM36kxY see that | 14:58 |
| alterego | C++ + Qt :D | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | objective C is actually quite nice to me (the few 1000 lines of code I did) | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i mean it takes less to search something on iphone than to start modest on n900 | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: put tracker to correct decent purpose finally, and you're done | 14:59 |
| * lcuk can search globally too | 14:59 | |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: oO | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: so i could write e-mail widget for liqbase? | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: and contacts widget | 14:59 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | so if i would just make a backend code | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | would you be able to deal with frontend | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | i mean, pictures and stuff | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | so it wouldn't look like it was drawn by 3 years old | 15:00 |
| lcuk | well that was the idea i got sidetracked with things | 15:00 |
| lcuk | heh my stuff looks likes its drawn by a young kid :P | 15:01 |
| lcuk | mostly because it is, me and jake sit and draw stuff | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how meego is doing things on UI gfx | 15:01 |
| * lcuk tries to make stuff that jake understands | 15:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously that's trendy nowadays | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | i'm just not sure how to do search for e-mails | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | use imap search functionality | 15:02 |
| alterego | I dunno, I think they might be dumbing it down far too far. | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | but then not everyone has imap | 15:02 |
| alterego | Even farther than Apple ... | 15:02 |
| lcuk | full text search over a large database is tough in any system and needs keyword/hash/lookup database of its own | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | or have local index | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: yeah :-( | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i know that | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | TRACKER | 15:03 |
| lcuk | i used to do searches over a ~2million record db | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i'm just exploring the options | 15:03 |
| lcuk | sure | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | well, i had 20 million record db | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | leaked phone book from polish telecom | 15:04 |
| lcuk | lots of spam :p | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | and that imported into mysql | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | and after adding some indexes | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | i could search everything in under a second | 15:04 |
| lcuk | does mysql have fulltext search overlay nowadays? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, normal | 15:04 |
| lcuk | 1 second is slow | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | it does | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | for long long time | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | i twas p233 MMX | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | with old 40G HDD | 15:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | it took whole day for it to create indexes | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: muhaha | 15:05 |
| * lcuk laughs at old vb.net workkmates who would download entire table and filter using local cursors | 15:05 | |
| lcuk | and wondered when it got near production that it was slow | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha again | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | because that phonebook was originaly a text file | 15:06 |
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| jacekowski | but mysql had fulltext search for a long long long time | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, you dont just mean field like '*blah*' do you :p | 15:08 |
| lcuk | fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu tracy | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHERE field LIKE "*bla*" ? Why not? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | RT: @teebee76 | 15:10 |
| lcuk | @lcuk There's an app for that hahaaaa!!!! Is this where I point out it's slow lol!! love you really :) | 15:10 |
| lcuk | shes a cheeky cow | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (LIKE) will take 'ages' but should work, for all I understand about SQL and maybe MySQL | 15:12 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, because the prefix wildcard means that it has to work on the data rather than index only | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | ie slow | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, no index optimization possible n that. DB has to use rough matches | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | will take 'ages'... | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if you create an index for each col of the string field | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | yeah thats the fulltext overlay | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | char[1]("A".."z"), char[2]("A".."z")... | 15:14 |
| lcuk | but it bloats db size horribly and is impractical to rescan entire datasets | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 15:14 |
| lcuk | as noted by the number of forums who cannot offer timely search capabilities | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i keep wanting a google operator on sql | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:15 |
| lcuk | select fields from table where google 'stuff' | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought there is | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well not really but smething similarly screwed | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, decades ago... completely forgot about that shit | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dict? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | yeah potentially but it has to hold info about data on all fields | 15:17 |
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| * lcuk goes coding | 15:18 | |
| lcuk | \o ttyl | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | have fun :-) | 15:18 |
| kerio | is there a good wardriving app for n900? | 15:23 |
| kerio | and is packet injection working? | 15:23 |
| kerio | (the two are, unsurprisingly, related) | 15:23 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: i know | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: mysql had fulltext search for 5 years at least | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/fulltext-search.html | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | nice jacekowski :) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: they are not exactly related. and wardriving *should* work, while packet injection afaik doesn't with the wlan chipset | 15:28 |
| kerio | i saw a guide that suggested the use of aireplay | 15:28 |
| kerio | :\ | 15:28 |
| kerio | oh well | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | hmm, all it would have to create is database with all words | 15:29 |
| kerio | is there a gui for wardriving? | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | and then search with like word% | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | it wouldn't be the fastest | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | but i think it would be fast enough for search as you type | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>The search string must be a literal string, not a variable or a column name.<< ouch! | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | it can be a subquery and that kind of shit | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | there are workarounds | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | where does modest store e-mails? | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | hmm .modes | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | .modest* | 15:33 |
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| ppman | can anyone help me get maemo-pan working on my n810? | 15:36 |
| ppman | I think I had everything, but then I deleted the dummy connection by mistake, but I managed to make it again | 15:36 |
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| ppman | now it's trying to connect to the pan, but it's acting really rather strange. | 15:37 |
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| ppman | it's getting a 169.x.x.x address, and everything seems to route to another 169.x.x.x address | 15:37 |
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| jacekowski | 169 addreses are apipa | 15:45 |
| jacekowski | and if you get address like that then something is wrong | 15:45 |
| ppman | that's why I'm skeptical that it's *really* working... | 15:45 |
| ppman | I usually get a 192.168.x.x address from ICS on windows mobile, | 15:46 |
| ppman | at least when used over usb. | 15:46 |
| ppman | As soon as I can get a hand on a laptop with bt, I'm going to try that connected to the phone.. | 15:46 |
| ppman | or, in this case | 15:47 |
| ppman | I think I got it... | 15:47 |
| ppman | wtf? | 15:47 |
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| alterego | It means it's not configured to get addresses properly, whether manually assigned or using dhcp | 15:48 |
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| ppman | it's working, mostly, just ifconfig says I still have the 169. address | 15:50 |
| ppman | maybe it's supposed to be? | 15:50 |
| alterego | No, not supposed to be. | 15:50 |
| ppman | I noticed that it seems to want this address over dhcp, | 15:50 |
| alterego | That's because dhcp isn't working correctly. | 15:50 |
| ppman | it's not like it fails to get it, then falls back on this.. | 15:50 |
| ppman | maybe. | 15:50 |
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| alterego | Well, that's what it is doing. | 15:51 |
| ppman | but a lot of these pings are going through.. | 15:51 |
| alterego | Sure | 15:52 |
| ppman | well, it's not consistent | 15:52 |
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| opdf2 | When "Charging is Complete." Is the charging connection giving any power to the N900? | 15:58 |
| ppman | opdf2: afaik, it goes between discharging and charging just a tiny bit | 15:58 |
| ppman | alterego: so, out of a ping of 10 packets, | 15:59 |
| ppman | 5 dropped, | 15:59 |
| ppman | 2 came back from a 169. address somewhere else, | 15:59 |
| ppman | and 3 came back from google as I asked | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | it comes as no surprise that i made n900 go rather slow by running 16 youtube videos | 16:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, isn't that an overkill? | 16:15 |
| kerio | lcuk: my laptop becomes slow with *three* youtube videos | 16:15 |
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| ppman | loading 16 youtube videos at the same time isn't normal... | 16:15 |
| ppman | but on the n900 it is | 16:15 |
| lcuk | :D lol | 16:16 |
| kerio | n900 - not even once | 16:16 |
| lcuk | o_O it crashed | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | oh hang on no, battery flat | 16:16 |
| * lcuk plugs in and tries again | 16:17 | |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:26 |
| * lcuk slaps alterego 16 times | 16:26 | |
| lcuk | its running again now whilst charging | 16:27 |
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| alterego | :) | 16:31 |
| kerio | lcuk: won't work | 16:31 |
| kerio | 1.1A is probably not enough, with that kind of load | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | wow | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | my ps3 said out of memory | 16:32 |
| kerio | buy a wii | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm 16, not 1 | 16:32 |
| ppman | too many youtube videos? | 16:32 |
| steinex | can anyone tell me how i can let trackerd reindex all my stuff? | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 16:32 |
| steinex | i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing | 16:32 |
| lcuk | ppman, no just empty battery | 16:33 |
| lcuk | its working fine now | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, maemosdk | 16:33 |
| infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 16:33 |
| lcuk | acting as a nice hand warmer :) | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~botsnack | 16:33 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: aw, gee | 16:33 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: yeah, yeah, "nintendo is for kids" | 16:33 |
| kerio | i forgot | 16:33 |
| lcuk | our wii is used for many tihngs | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | aww crap, i'm turning 17 next month | 16:34 |
| lcuk | tracy does her yoga with it | 16:34 |
| lcuk | me and jake play cars o_O | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, some people use it to smash flat screens | 16:35 |
| kerio | lcuk: i feel that there's a double entendre somewhere there, but i can't find it | 16:35 |
| kerio | s/some people/idiots/ | 16:35 |
| lcuk | kerio, hmm? no | 16:35 |
| kerio | it must be me then - nvm | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, the PS3 has wii-ish stuff :P | 16:36 |
| lcuk | not really the same MohammadAG51 | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, better? | 16:36 |
| kerio | nintendo: "motion controls! woo" ms/sony: "pff, lame" | 16:36 |
| kerio | ms/sony: "motion controls! woo" nintendo: "THREE DIMENSIONS BITCH" | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | the ps move is interesting tbh | 16:37 |
| lcuk | and the wii has momentum here, we have guitars and drumkit and mics and steering wheels and a boatload of games | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | i want a guitar and drum kit :( | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | for rock band 2 | 16:37 |
| lcuk | yeah luke and tracy have a growing collection | 16:37 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: wait for rock band 3, the "pro" instruments are awesome | 16:37 |
| kerio | and they're actually musical instruments | 16:37 |
| lcuk | the rockband type games are more like "Now thats what i call music.." tapes from days gone by | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh, it's mostly old songs | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | pre2k | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | doesnt matter, just collections of music | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, but without a guitar/drumkit, you have to play vocals :P | 16:38 |
| kerio | both the pro guitar and the pro keytar are actually midi instruments | 16:39 |
| steinex | anyone can help me with trackerd please? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, replacing singing into hairbrush with real vocals lol | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, purge it | 16:39 |
| kerio | steinex: killall trackerd | 16:39 |
| lcuk | steinex, whats up | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | i hate that thing deeply | 16:40 |
| steinex | kerio, lcuk: i want that trackerd reindexes all my stuff | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | it sees my battery life down to 10% and decides to reindex | 16:40 |
| steinex | i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing | 16:40 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: it does it on purpose | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | steinex, tracker-processes --hard-reset | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | as user, not root | 16:40 |
| steinex | MohammadAG51: will try | 16:40 |
| kerio | daemons are like dogs | 16:40 |
| kerio | they know you're not confortable with them | 16:41 |
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| kerio | and they act consequently | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | then restart the media player/photos app | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol kerio | 16:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:41 |
| lcuk | steinex, how long have you given the "trackerd -r" process to run? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | and did you reboot before doing this (sometimes helps makes sure you are only running normal processes etc) | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, it should be tracker-processes, not trackerd | 16:42 |
| lcuk | ^^ then try that | 16:42 |
| steinex | MohammadAG51: cool it worked | 16:42 |
| steinex | MohammadAG51: thanks | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | np, i think i defined it in infobot some time ago | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, trackerreset | 16:43 |
| infobot | methinks trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal | 16:43 |
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| steinex | tracker sucks a bit... i have added album art to one album but trackerd never realized it... thus the hard reset | 16:43 |
| steinex | i would like to get rid of tracker at all :/ | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | tracker serves a purpose | 16:44 |
| steinex | i know | 16:44 |
| kerio | what purpose? | 16:44 |
| kerio | it sucks | 16:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | sucking power is a very important purpose :) | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | something has to do it | 16:44 |
| alterego | tracker indexes all your icons and images you don't want to see. | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | better that people complain about the tracker than the browser :) | 16:45 |
| steinex | well would the music player be usable without trackerd? not really, or? | 16:45 |
| steinex | if it would, then i could get rid of it | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | steinex, nope, it NEEDS tracker | 16:45 |
| lcuk | kerio metadata indexing is important in some situations. agreed its implementation isnt perfect but i dont think there is a perfect mechanism | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be 99.99% unusable w/o tracker | 16:45 |
| kerio | lcuk: manual indexing when you tell him to | 16:45 |
| alterego | I think tracker is a brilliant idea. | 16:46 |
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| kerio | or just a damn file browser | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, what happened to the 00.01? | 16:46 |
| alterego | It just relies on too many variables and our system (I.E. The Media Player) is seriously flawed. | 16:46 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, you get a nice front screen | 16:46 |
| steinex | can i see the progress of tracker-indexer? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: you can in theory ask the media player top play a file from a commandline | 16:46 |
| alterego | Using dbus :) | 16:46 |
| alterego | You can use the file manager too. | 16:46 |
| kerio | timeless_mbp: or from the file browser! | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: presumably that uses the commandline | 16:47 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: more likely dbus | 16:47 |
| kerio | cutexplorer uses dbus | 16:47 |
| alterego | But I Don't know for sure. | 16:47 |
| alterego | It'd make sense using the mime database and dbus services. | 16:47 |
| alterego | Definitely dbus | 16:49 |
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| slonopotamus | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/r0bertz/~3/E27SwK9x_0w/type-special-characters-in-xterm-in.html screenshot :) | 17:09 |
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| trumee | slonopotamus, gentoo user yay! | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 17:41 |
| kerio | i still wonder about that red led btw | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | what red led? | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | the cam one? | 17:42 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: that's my problem | 17:42 |
| kerio | no red led :/ | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | prolly fried | 17:43 |
| kerio | what could cause it to break but not the two surrounding white lights? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | general generic failure | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | english: bad luck | 17:45 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening good evening | 17:59 |
| DrGrov | What is happening? | 17:59 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc, I am terribly sorry. I have yet again deceived my brain to trick me into not sending you the N900 adapter. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 18:00 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I might have to look into my brain a bit harder :) | 18:02 |
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| smart | hi | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, the youtube video is better sourced | 18:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 18:13 |
| lcuk | it can handle more bandwidth than my server and its streaming :P | 18:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Is there a tmo thread now? | 18:15 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 18:15 |
| lcuk | jaffa, that as well http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 | 18:16 |
| smart | hi all | 18:16 |
| smart | any one wanna chat | 18:16 |
| lcuk | i do like that irc snippet though :) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | its good to see the actual reaction as people discuss it :) | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed :-) | 18:17 |
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| Andy80 | in my application's page I've a warning: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.0/ is it for this reason that "Promote to extras-testing" is not available? | 18:17 |
| alterego | Andy80: has it been in testing for 10 days? | 18:18 |
| alterego | Oh wait, you're promoting _to_ testing :) | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: No. Are you logged in? ;-) | 18:18 |
| alterego | Are you logged in? :D | 18:18 |
| lcuk | smart, don't PM people you do not know, its bad etiquette, if you want to chat start a conversation | 18:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:18 |
| Andy80 | let me check.. | 18:19 |
| smart | i am new on this server | 18:19 |
| Andy80 | yes, I'm logged | 18:19 |
| smart | pls tel me about this lcuk | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Then you should see "Promote package" on that page. Screenshot? | 18:20 |
| smart | hello jaffa | 18:21 |
| alterego | What's the IRC newbie channel? The one where people go when they want to play around with IRC? :) | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: just discovered it's mandatory that field: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Lack_of_bug_reporting_database | 18:21 |
| alterego | Oh yeah | 18:22 |
| Andy80 | I'll upload a new version.. | 18:22 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: Yeah, but I thought it let you get to testing with it missing; obviously not. | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | (any more) | 18:24 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: I requested an entry on bugzilla too... but I'll use my email address until it's not available | 18:25 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, how is your qt playing going, are you comfortable with the apis yet? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | since the open souring of maps for n810 | 18:25 |
| lcuk | sourcing | 18:25 |
| lcuk | does this mean we can port/use on n900? | 18:26 |
| alterego | "State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up | 18:27 |
| lcuk | what was not mentioned was WHEN this investment occured ;) | 18:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:28 |
| lcuk | wasnt there news of antenna engineers wanted VERY recently | 18:28 |
| alterego | Good point | 18:28 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:28 |
| alterego | So I agree holding your handset may affect signal on all phones. It does not however cause your phone to completely loose signal ... | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not had much chance to do further Qt playing yet | 18:29 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I was thinking the same thing about Wayfinder. Getting it on my N900 would be good. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | yeah :) vodafone seem to be applying best practice as far as possible with dead projects | 18:29 |
| * Andy80 still wants Google Maps on N900... the best available around | 18:30 | |
| lcuk | dead closed projects * | 18:30 |
| lcuk | Andy80, google maps isnt perfect | 18:30 |
| lcuk | and requires net access | 18:30 |
| lcuk | try using it out in the middle of nowhere - when you NEED maps | 18:30 |
| Andy80 | ok... it's not perfect but it was very very fast even on my N73... imagine on a N900 | 18:30 |
| Andy80 | when I see people using it on Android or on iPhone I say £"%£$%"%$"!!!! | 18:31 |
| alterego | Was 3GS more successful than the N95? | 18:31 |
| * lcuk still uses a photograph of local map | 18:31 | |
| lcuk | much more reliable | 18:31 |
| lcuk | can be upgraded to include indoor maps | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | v good for conf | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It's depressing that when abroad/at work the fastest way of getting a view of a map from someone's Google Maps web browser is to take a photo of their screen with your N900. | 18:31 |
| * Jaffa feels like there should be something whizzy, quick & Bluetoothy | 18:31 | |
| alterego | "1.7% iPhone 4 return rate" this is because they're waiting for you to fix the issue. | 18:32 |
| lcuk | jaffa i photograph maps as soon as i get off a train or something | 18:32 |
| alterego | The fact the fix is a rubber band asided .. | 18:32 |
| lcuk | new places and local knowledge always trumps the internet | 18:32 |
| lcuk | tho having search and routing is amazing | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | tracy misses Todd from her n810 | 18:33 |
| zeltak | hi guys..im trying to play around with maemo before i buy a n900. ive dl a image with ubuntu and the sdk..is that the best way to go? | 18:33 |
| zeltak | and if so how does one install maemo apps on the sdk? | 18:34 |
| alterego | "Additional calls dropped per 100 calls compared to iPhone 3GS" | 18:34 |
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| alterego | additional call per 100 calls wtf? | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Only reason I've still got my N810 is for car mount and Wayfinder. | 18:35 |
| lcuk | yeah jaffa, hopefully we can get wayfinder license support sorted at very least for other n810 owners | 18:35 |
| lcuk | even without a port to n900 it would make many people smile :) | 18:36 |
| lcuk | how long is your license? | 18:36 |
| lcuk | ie when does it expire | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Hmm, some time next year I think | 18:37 |
| lcuk | we only ever used to get monthly ones, tracy has been :( since we could not renew | 18:37 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa: now "Promote" link is available, but I wanna wait... i forgot to optify at least the executable (even if it's 250kb) | 18:46 |
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| * lcuk ponders optifying /usr/bin | 18:48 | |
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| * MohammadAG51 ponders optifying / and using mtd5 as swap | 18:48 | |
| Robot101 | lcuk: to be really smart, the best thing to do would be to work out a way to detect which things were most frequently accessed, and put them on the NAND flash :P | 18:49 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG51: that wouldn't quite do it - because the buffer cache is never swapped | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm? | 18:49 |
| lcuk | Robot101, for sure, and it should be completely transparent to the apps | 18:49 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG51: so if there's memory pressure *every* damn executable code page will go to MMC... slooooooooooooow | 18:49 |
| lcuk | i dont like optifying single items tho | 18:50 |
| lcuk | its more wasteful | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | Robot101, the emmc isn't that slow | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG51: yeah, it really is compared to the flash | 18:50 |
| lcuk | moving whole folders in one go is somehow cleaner | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | PR1.2 was godawful before a few things were moved back | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: investigate overlay filesystems? | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: but, cleanliness be damned, we gotta make it fast | 18:50 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: if you have a nice tool/framework for tracking wtf is going on | 18:50 |
| lcuk | yeah Robot101 i agree | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: there's no limit to how we arrange things | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | strace | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | that doesn't give you page accesses | 18:51 |
| lcuk | putting optification in the filesystem would be nice | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, i wonder how much space the next device will have | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | +512MBs surely | 18:51 |
| lcuk | thats actually REALLY nice in principle | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | you need something in kernel to track page accesses for you | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | you want the most commonly executed 256MB of code to be on the MMC | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | er, NAND | 18:52 |
| lcuk | damn you Robot101 :p its sunday i shouldnt be pondering this today :p | 18:52 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: if you can play with onedotzero at work, you can play with optification on weekends... you love it really :D | 18:52 |
| * lcuk nods sagely | 18:52 | |
| Venemo | hey guys | 18:52 |
| Robot101 | there are overlay filesystems which mush two filesystems together | 18:52 |
| Robot101 | actually.. | 18:52 |
| lcuk | and offers roast chicken | 18:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:52 |
| Robot101 | that's quite interesting | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 18:52 |
| Robot101 | because - if you have an overlay | 18:53 |
| alterego | Ello Venemo | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | then /everything/ is in opt | 18:53 |
| Venemo | I'm testing XChat on the N900 at the moment | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, mind if I ask some questions? | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | so it's totally consistent, you just copy whatever you want on the flash over to the overlaied fs | 18:53 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, ill close ##physics chan then | 18:53 |
| Venemo | it is not very well hildonized... :( | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | you can tune it at runtime even... :D | 18:53 |
| lcuk | yeah Robot101 | 18:53 |
| kerio | let's just substitute the 256mb of ram with 16gb | 18:53 |
| lcuk | it would be good | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, why was /var/lib/dpkg optified, instead of microb-engine and locales? | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | kerio: and some much bigger batteries... :D | 18:53 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG51: putting browser on MMC made it hella slow | 18:54 |
| kerio | Robot101: well, we're increasing the space it needs, so... | 18:54 |
| Robot101 | also (your) locale gets hit really really often | 18:54 |
| Robot101 | so if you optify it, kiss your UI performance goodbye | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | and the others? meh | 18:54 |
| Robot101 | but, a good point, optify all the /others/ :) | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | when changing languages, swap | 18:54 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | sth bothers me | 18:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | why the f does Qt use a different locale for numbers | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | fapman for example uses arabic numbers, and I never set anything to arabic except timezone | 18:56 |
| alterego | Because there are less numerical formats than languages .. | 18:56 |
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| * lcuk still giggles at name fapman | 18:56 | |
| kerio | fapman is awesome | 18:56 |
| alterego | :) | 18:56 |
| kerio | way better than HAM | 18:56 |
| alterego | Not used it. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Might look into it .. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Does it have screenshots? | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, it has long app lists | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 18:57 |
| kerio | the -devel version looks better | 18:57 |
| lcuk | fapman is not a complete replacement and does not support everything required, but its damned quick | 18:57 |
| kerio | or the -testing version at least | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, hmm, what does it not support? | 18:57 |
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| lcuk | does it do software updates? does it handle app restore? | 18:58 |
| zeltak | so anyone? is there a way to "tst-drive" 900 on a virtual machine or emulator? | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | i so wanna make a hildon-application-manager which has 0 shit in it | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | should shut up mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of HAM | 18:58 |
| lcuk | you cannot have an in production app with 0 shit in it | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | and no ssu | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | but you can divide by 0 | 18:59 |
| lcuk | you can, because you are special | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, tbh, SSU also made more problems for me | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | -also | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | i always reflash | 18:59 |
| Venemo | I don't understand the need for separate app managers | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | and seriously, who's expecting a PR1.3 :P | 18:59 |
| Venemo | why not just improve HAM? | 18:59 |
| lcuk | Venemo :) | 19:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | agreed | 19:00 |
| alterego | I'm expecting PR1.3, just not any modifications to HAM :P | 19:00 |
| * lcuk is expecting a pr1.3 as wlel | 19:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: the engineers working on it expect something to be shipped after 1.2 | 19:00 |
| alterego | I expect PR1.3 shortly after the release of Qt 4.7 | 19:00 |
| kerio | Venemo: "improving" ham would mean rewriting it in a sane way | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | as for expecting it to have a given name... | 19:00 |
| alterego | I actually thinik they're waiting on 4.7 | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, at the very least, we're committed to shipping a <something> which has Qt4.7 | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | I want the new pulseaudio package | 19:01 |
| lcuk | i want a pony | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | because our goal is for people to be able to use the n900 to build apps for <next> | 19:01 |
| kerio | i want no pulseaudio | 19:01 |
| Venemo | kerio: are you familiar with its code or just saying it? | 19:01 |
| * MohammadAG51 gives lcuk a pony | 19:01 | |
| kerio | Venemo: just saying | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | kerio: you can replace the entire platform w/ something else | 19:01 |
| kerio | i actually don't know how to program in compiled languages :/ | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | you aren't required to use tracker, or image-viewer | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | or the media player | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | or pulse | 19:01 |
| kerio | timeless_mbp: or the n900! | 19:02 |
| kerio | :D | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if you want to replace pulse, you need to replace the phone stack | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but the others are optional | 19:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | is it me, or is the meego gallery a black window | 19:02 |
| * kerio goes to buy an iPhone 4 with a bumper that matches his shoes | 19:02 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: didn't work for me either .. | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:02 |
| Venemo | kerio: lol | 19:02 |
| alterego | Stil can't get the 4.7 madde toolchain to work :( | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | go scratchbox! | 19:03 |
| alterego | pfft | 19:03 |
| alterego | Scratchbox is a pain in the ass | 19:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | madde is a wannabe | 19:04 |
| lcuk | madde allows building/linking with other non qt libs doesnt it? | 19:04 |
| Venemo | madde is not bad, just unfinished | 19:04 |
| Venemo | lcuk: yes it does | 19:04 |
| alterego | I like madde | 19:04 |
| lcuk | does it allow building of non qt apps | 19:05 |
| kerio | timeless_mbp: | 19:05 |
| kerio | er | 19:05 |
| Venemo | lcuk: yes | 19:05 |
| alterego | lcuk: sure | 19:05 |
| alterego | lcuk: it wasn't developed for Qt at all. | 19:05 |
| kerio | timeless_mbp: i know i whine a lot - it's just that i see an incredible potential in the n900 | 19:05 |
| Venemo | althought it is a bit problematic to install 3rd party libs to madde, it is possible, too | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | does anyone have a tent I could borrow tonight? | 19:06 |
| alterego | I'm working on a module at the moment that uses the accelerometer to decide whether the GPS data you're receiving is worth using to update the screen. | 19:06 |
| lcuk | huh alterego ? | 19:06 |
| kerio | alterego: cute | 19:06 |
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| Venemo | alterego: still the ovi store app? | 19:07 |
| alterego | Well, if you've not accelerated 50m/s then you're unlikely to have moved as much as the GPS thinks you do sometimes. | 19:07 |
| alterego | I'm also adding in an adaptive algorithm that uses H/V DOP to decide how likely it is that you're bolting around like a nutter. | 19:08 |
| Venemo | hm. XChat would really need some polishing on its UI | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i have one here... | 19:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | untested, but.. | 19:08 |
| alterego | And it has averaging to make the data "smoother". | 19:08 |
| Venemo | it is not finger friendly at all | 19:08 |
| alterego | Use irssi :P | 19:08 |
| kerio | Venemo: use the keyboard | 19:08 |
| lcuk | yes Venemo RST38h looked extensively at modifying the text list but found issues with other parts of the system that would require a more invasive patch | 19:09 |
| Venemo | kerio: i use the keyboard | 19:09 |
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| kerio | shift+pgup/shift+pgdwn to change channel, shift+up/down to go up and down in the text | 19:09 |
| kerio | ctrl+enter to go fullscreen | 19:10 |
| Venemo | lcuk: is RST38h the developer of the Maemo port of XChat? | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, do you need an angry mob? | 19:11 |
| lcuk | Venemo, RST38h is a system hacker whos looked at many apps on the platform and yes i think hes marked as current maintainer, but i am not sure its his primary focus | 19:11 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: ah, okay. | 19:11 |
| lcuk | ie, if you want to have a go at patching it, i am sure he and everyone else will be happy to assist in any way possible :P | 19:11 |
| Venemo | lcuk: well, I would help with the UI | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | there are ui overviews already, its coding them up thats tough | 19:12 |
| alterego | Grrr ... | 19:12 |
| lcuk | and making sure they dont break the system | 19:12 |
| alterego | WTF doesn't madde work. | 19:12 |
| lcuk | are you getting madde? | 19:13 |
| Venemo | I use madde | 19:13 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:14 |
| alterego | I'm more than madde :P | 19:14 |
| alterego | I use madde successfully, but now I want to use Qt 4.7 but I can't get the madde 4.7 toolchain to work .. | 19:14 |
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| alterego | I also found a bug in QtDeclarative :) | 19:15 |
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| Venemo | there is an IRC plugin for conversations and contacts | 19:17 |
| alterego | I just use irssi | 19:17 |
| Venemo | however, it can't seem to join channels | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol what use is it then? | 19:18 |
| Venemo | I dunno... | 19:18 |
| Venemo | It is possible that I couldn't figure it out | 19:18 |
| Venemo | I could send PMs with it | 19:18 |
| Venemo | but /join didn't work | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol what if it added all users in the userlist to your contacts | 19:19 |
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| Venemo | I could send a PM to any of them | 19:19 |
| Venemo | :D | 19:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 499 contacts in the contacts app? wouldn't want that | 19:20 |
| vldcnst | did you add # before the channel? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | 498* | 19:20 |
| Venemo | yes. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: check -devel for starhash-enabler. Should appear there in a few minutes | 19:21 |
| * lcuk speaks to many people who do not join channels on irc networks | 19:21 | |
| vldcnst | lcuk: I too like to speak with vldcnst. | 19:21 |
| Venemo | haha! | 19:22 |
| alterego | I couldn't even get it to work on 32bit ubuntu .. | 19:23 |
| Venemo | hm | 19:23 |
| Venemo | HAM is starting to annoy me | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | it refreshes its catalogs every time I go back from a category to the main place | 19:29 |
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| Venemo | and... it is unusable while refreshing. | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:29 |
| kerio | Venemo: use fapman! | 19:29 |
| kahless_weg | i want to reflash my system now, do i have to flash this fiasco thingy? i read about that. normally i just would flash the emmc and the pr. | 19:29 |
| kerio | kahless_weg: "this fiasco thingy" is the pr | 19:29 |
| Venemo | why couldn't they make it refresh on a separate thread? | 19:30 |
| kerio | well, pr+kernel | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | COMBINED | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why it's called* | 19:30 |
| kahless_weg | i have "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I would *not* flash eMMC | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that'd wipe all my data and config | 19:31 |
| kahless_weg | hmm, i would like to clean everything and start from "scratch". im following a nokia howto | 19:31 |
| Venemo | that may be good in some cases | 19:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 19:31 | |
| Venemo | if you really wanna wipe everything, flash the eMMC, too | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that is what you want to do | 19:31 |
| kahless_weg | yeah :) | 19:32 |
| kahless_weg | i think i have everything backupped | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't boot in between flashes! | 19:32 |
| kahless_weg | DocScrutinizer: nope i dont :) | 19:32 |
| Venemo | anyone here familiar with Modest's development? | 19:33 |
| kahless_weg | then i reflash now, wish me luck | 19:33 |
| Venemo | are the bug fixes from the TMO guy applied to the main branch, too | 19:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer taps table, waiting for his very first uebercool "app" appearing in repo - even extremely optimized for short codelength ;-P | 19:34 | |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what app is that? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | starhash-enabler | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lil fancy to grow N900 to a real phone | 19:36 |
| * Venemo wonders, what is starhash? | 19:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | *# | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | so simple | 19:37 |
| Venemo | i'm sorry? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | enables star (*) nn hash (#) codes in dialer | 19:38 |
| kerio | all codes? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaikt | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | *#67# | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | **61*911*21*30# | 19:39 |
| lcuk | WHAT!? http://thedailywh.at/post/819817745/invalid-argument-of-the-day-i-have-no-idea-what | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | evaluation is still going on, about completeness of codes supported regarding TS22.030 | 19:40 |
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