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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ssshhhhh. Maybe he's selling it for low price | 00:00 |
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| red | ill mail it free if someone wants to have a go fixing it after I ask my friends first :P | 00:00 |
| kerio | i'll take it! | 00:00 |
| red | inside the screen can still see moist and it smells foul, a bit like the pool | 00:01 |
| kerio | nice | 00:01 |
| red | it was 2nd day of a weekss trip when it fell | 00:01 |
| red | so im quite sure its wasted for good :D | 00:01 |
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| kerio | :( | 00:01 |
| kaie | my n900 is not fetching dns for wifi, at least it's not updating /etc/resolv.conf | 00:01 |
| red | but atleast someone might use the case later on or something | 00:01 |
| asj__ | kaie: it doesn't | 00:01 |
| kaie | asj__, where's dns information recorded? "host domain.com" doesn't work in terminal | 00:02 |
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| asj__ | kaie: look in the file, it's 127.0.0.1. You can set custom dns servers in network setup. | 00:02 |
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| kaie | asj__, I modified resolv.conf a week ago for a hack ad-hoc network. I emptied the resolv.conf now. For my current location, I don't want to specify the dns manually, but have configured wifi to fetch it automatically, but still, resolv.conf doesn't get updated. so I want to know, how to make that work again | 00:04 |
| kaie | you say I should configure manually to 127.0.0.1 ? | 00:05 |
| asj__ | kaie: oh, I didn't realize you screwed it up, set the nameserver to 127.0.0.1 | 00:05 |
| kaie | ok | 00:05 |
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| b-man | MohammadAG51: ping | 00:07 |
| kaie | thanks a lot, it's working again, after I added "namserver 127.0.0.1". | 00:07 |
| kaie | nameserver even | 00:07 |
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| jaem | 'Afternoon. Anybody around with knowledge of BlueZ? | 00:08 |
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| lipe | exit | 00:27 |
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| luke-jr | curious, my N900 is off | 00:28 |
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| luke-jr | now it says Battery Low | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | wtf | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | it's been on the charger the whole time | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | i had that | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | it sometimes doesn't charge | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | but i think charging itself should be handled in kernel | 00:32 |
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| luke-jr | there finally got it to say Charging | 00:33 |
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| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: how are your projects progressing? | 01:03 |
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| DrGrov | Beautiful day everyone | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | Finally more of D-Iivil's themes have hit the extras repositories! :) | 01:24 |
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| DrGrov | What is otherwise new here today? | 01:25 |
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| jaem | DrGrov, I have a headache starting. | 01:26 |
| jaem | Aside from that...? | 01:26 |
| jaem | I haven't looked at those themes yet. Maybe I should... | 01:26 |
| DrGrov | jaem: oh, that's not too nice. got something to take for it? | 01:26 |
| DrGrov | jaem: they are absolutely beautiful. | 01:27 |
| DrGrov | unfortunately not every theme has a screenshot. i wonder why? | 01:27 |
| jaem | Not here. Ah well, it's not bad anyway. Looking over the new Qt Mobility stuff in GIT master is making me feel better. | 01:27 |
| DrGrov | Good, have you drank enough water if it is hot there? | 01:28 |
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| DrGrov | I think I will go with D-THEME UnderConstruction | 01:28 |
| jaem | That might be part of it. | 01:28 |
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| DrGrov | You have any idea why not all the themes don't have a screenshot? | 01:29 |
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| jaem | Let me take a look... Do you mean the thumbnail in HAM, or on the website? | 01:30 |
| DrGrov | In the website, http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/ | 01:30 |
| smackpotato | so my mission to overclock my n810 is comming along fine , altough i had to drop some cabage to see if i was on the right track. for a sinopsys of how im doing look at this page under dochez http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Donate | 01:32 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.dataviz.com/purchase/upgrade/documentstogo/maemo/index.html it sucks! | 01:32 |
| DrGrov | jaem: PM here in the channel when you know :) No hurries, I go back to Splinter Cell: Conviction on the Xbox 360 until I get some missions done | 01:33 |
| brolin_empey | Why do the fremantle repositories have such an ancient (v2.05b when v4.x is current) version of bash? (fail) | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | brolin_empey: So build 4 | 01:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | typically later versions bloat lots | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | so that can be a reason | 01:35 |
| smackpotato | hi SpeedEvil | 01:35 |
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| b-man | heh | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 01:35 |
| b-man | gnome has expanded 2x in the past year and a half it seams | 01:35 |
| b-man | *seems | 01:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | For desktops this is less of an issue | 01:36 |
| b-man | true | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | But for trying to run stuff on labels. | 01:36 |
| Pauly | hey hello i need help | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | on mobiles | 01:36 |
| Pauly | n900 died trying to get it into r & D mode but i only have ubuntu 64 bitand win 7 64 bit | 01:37 |
| b-man | gnome still runs fine on my N900 :) | 01:37 |
| b-man | hmm | 01:37 |
| jaem | Pauly, you can run the flasher on 64-bit Ubuntu... it just takes some twiddling | 01:37 |
| Pauly | oh ok | 01:37 |
| jaem | Pauly, First of all, make sure you have the package ia32-libs installed | 01:37 |
| Pauly | cause i just need to charge it | 01:37 |
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| jaem | I think that's what it's called - I don't have an *buntu box in front of me (literally or figuratively) | 01:37 |
| Pauly | omg thanks. im check synaptic | 01:38 |
| jaem | Pauly, I know I went through some hassle last time I need that - Ubuntu isn't well set up for installing 32-bit stuff on 64-bit - at least, not as well some distros. | 01:38 |
| Pauly | my phone died and i read on bugzilla if u can put it on r & D mode it'll charge | 01:39 |
| jaem | What happened originally? | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Pauly: it should charge anyway. Plug into charger overnight | 01:39 |
| Pauly | feel asleep and phone drianed bateery | 01:39 |
| jaem | Pauly, ping me once you have the package installed | 01:39 |
| kerio | N900 - you better not fall asleep | 01:40 |
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| Pauly | u sure cause it just glows orangeish yellow | 01:40 |
| Pauly | lmao | 01:40 |
| kerio | Pauly: that's the failsafe charge | 01:40 |
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| kerio | it'll charge for half an hour | 01:40 |
| kerio | it should be enough to boot it at that point | 01:40 |
| kerio | if it isn't, charge it again, when it stops charging remove the charger and plug it again | 01:40 |
| Pauly | its not i'll try agian | 01:40 |
| Pauly | ya thats what im doing | 01:41 |
| * PerfDave ponders running a 32-bit GNU/Linux VM to run the flasher | 01:41 | |
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| kerio | PerfDave: dual boot! | 01:41 |
| Pauly | but i read r & D mode the keyboard light flickers, which is so cool | 01:41 |
| kerio | http://lubi.sourceforge.net/ | 01:41 |
| kerio | Pauly: also uses more battery | 01:42 |
| PerfDave | kerio: Why dual boot when you can use a VM? | 01:42 |
| Pauly | figured | 01:42 |
| Pauly | kerio, jaem, i found that i have the package installed ia32-libs | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: R&D for charging is BS | 01:44 |
| jaem | Pauly, okay... well, download the flasher DEB and stash it somewhere. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: DO NOT try to flash with low battery | 01:44 |
| Pauly | i tihnk i might download the flasher, ut it into r & d mode anyways cause i think im gonna reflash it to save battery life so i need the flasher anyways | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: by all and any means charge your battery before flashing | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | refkash it to save battery life? | 01:45 |
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| Pauly | no im not going to flash just put it into r & D mode and let it sit. | 01:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 01:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | absolute nonsense | 01:45 |
| Pauly | sorry? | 01:46 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: well, you can flash a bigger battery | 01:46 |
| kerio | :P | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | R&D mode just helps if you got bootloop which also will hinder charging | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | flash a bigger battery - what? | 01:46 |
| Pauly | i read on bugzilla that if u put it into r & D it'll charge off usb? | 01:46 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: just reflash an image with a bigger battery! | 01:47 |
| kerio | it works, right? | 01:47 |
| kerio | i'm looking for a build with a c-ts | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: it always charges from USB, there's no other way to charge | 01:47 |
| kerio | and less weight | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | You can actually get ~3% more life from lying to BME, or replacing it. | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: stop that nonsense | 01:48 |
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| brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: I actually already have bash v4.x in Easy Debian. bash v2.05b has been sufficient for me so far, even though I have used bash v3.x features in scripts I have written for Debian/Ubuntu on desktops, but I do not need to run those scripts on my N900. I was just wondering why the fremantle repositories still have such an ancient version of bash. | 01:48 |
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| kerio | i wonder... could we save weight by having some helium balloons inside the n900? | 01:48 |
| jaem | kerio, it doesn't work that way >_< | 01:49 |
| Pauly | 2. Use the flasher to put it into RD Mode 3. This allowed it to boot it up 4. Let it sit charging connected to my computer. (Very Important!!! Appears this was what was needed to get it to charge!) | 01:49 |
| kerio | i figured :P | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | brolin_empey: what are the binary sizes? | 01:49 |
| kerio | Pauly: keyword being "appeared" | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: use the Nokia wallcharger, and charge your battery. There's no reason to set R&D mode unless you got a bootloop | 01:49 |
| kerio | it's false | 01:49 |
| Pauly | oh okay | 01:49 |
| Pauly | thanks for helping me guys | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: that's random noise | 01:50 |
| jaem | I don't know how the N900's audio subsystem works, but how hard would it be to patch various things together - say, to pipe espeak's output into a phone call or some such? | 01:50 |
| Pauly | i thought my phone wasnt charging | 01:50 |
| jaem | For that matter, what should I read up on if I want to understand what it's doing in general? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: if yellow light then charging in progress | 01:50 |
| kerio | you know, charging issues tend to come up a lot here on #maemo | 01:50 |
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| Pauly | lol, well i'll just plug it in the wall charger, and once light goes off unplug and plug back in. | 01:51 |
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| Pauly | btw its not oem charger, just random micro usb wall charger. Thanks so much guys. | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: random usb charger won't probably work | 01:53 |
| GAN900 | jaem, it's Telepathy and PulseAudio for the most part. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: use the original Nokia charger | 01:54 |
| Pauly | seems to charge it, when it's on. | 01:54 |
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| Pauly | i bought it used, no nokia charger | 01:54 |
| kerio | Pauly: guess what the keyword here is | 01:54 |
| kerio | :) | 01:54 |
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| Pauly | kerio: so lost???? | 01:54 |
| kerio | the keyword here is "seems" | 01:55 |
| jaem | GAN900, Alrighty, I'll take a look. | 01:55 |
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| Pauly | kerio: ya, my stuff is always ghetto for some reason. | 01:55 |
| jaem | Is there any way to get HAM to always show the package name itself, rather than the more "friendly" format it tends to use? | 01:57 |
| Pauly | if iight is on it's charging so i'll just leave it in and see what happens. oh btw i bought a battery charger off ebay so i won't have this problem no more. | 01:57 |
| jaem | Since it lacks queueing, I tend to do a lot of "look in HAM/use apt-get". | 01:58 |
| jaem | I know I can use apt-cache, but I like HAM for browsing and at-a-glance info. | 01:58 |
| kerio | jaem: use fapman | 01:59 |
| kerio | *way* faster | 01:59 |
| kerio | and supports queuing | 01:59 |
| kerio | queueing | 01:59 |
| kerio | queues | 01:59 |
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| jaem | kerio, yeah, the disclaimer had me rather excited to try it. ;) | 02:00 |
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| jaem | The sad part is I'm not actually kidding... | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: when steady yellow you'll either get 500mA charging from a proper charger, or 100mA charging from arbitrary charger. Both limited to 32 minutes. With 100mA you'll need several replug&32min harge cycles, to push battery up to the point where you can boot again | 02:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... could you use a computer, forcing it to give the 500mA? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope | 02:01 |
| Pauly | DocScrutinizer: thanks, perfect info i needed | 02:01 |
| Pauly | so at least i know it is charging | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | for emergency charging there's no diff tween computer and a wrong charger that doesn't have D+/- short | 02:01 |
| Pauly | DocScrutinizer: lol ya, should i buy the oem nokia charger | 02:02 |
| Pauly | ? | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: either that, or make sure it has a short of the two datalines | 02:02 |
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| Pauly | DocScrutinizer: since i have no idea what the second option means, ill go with the first. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: N900 senses fastcharger via a short of the both middle contacts of USB | 02:03 |
| Pauly | oh ok | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: not many chargers have that feature | 02:04 |
| pinheiro | jaem: heya | 02:04 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, Is it actually a dead short? I thought the spec said to add a low-valued resistor of some sort. | 02:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: can you use a generic nokia charger with the provided adaptor? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a short | 02:04 |
| jaem | pinheiro, OT for here, but congrats to you & team on the new shininess. :D | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I'd guess yes | 02:04 |
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| kerio | for fastcharge/500mA failsafe charge | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:05 |
| kerio | that's probably a cheaper option | 02:05 |
| kerio | ripoff nokia chargers are dime a dozen | 02:05 |
| pinheiro | jaem: thanks :D | 02:05 |
| kerio | Pauly: do you have the charger adaptor? | 02:05 |
| Pauly | no | 02:05 |
| Pauly | all i got was phone and "compatible charger" | 02:06 |
| Pauly | but i didnt really use it cause it seemd cheap. | 02:06 |
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| * pinheiro finds funy that jaem can be refering to multiple things "the advantages of working in tons of difrent projects" :D | 02:06 | |
| kerio | what a gyp | 02:06 |
| Pauly | kerio: should i use that one. | 02:06 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, Hmm... I have an IOGear-brand Li-Ion external battery pack that won't charge my N900. I took a look inside it at some point, and D+/- weren't shorted - in fact, they had a few things connected to them, including a cap to ground, as I recall. It was hard to trace by eye, because the board was hand-soldered SMT - and not skillfully >_< | 02:06 |
| jaem | pinheiro, Well, it's all good. :) | 02:07 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, I think the battery pack may be in Fiji right now, but when I get it back, I might poke you about it. I'd really like to be able to use it if possible, but I fear that trying to "fix" it would be impractical. | 02:08 |
| brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: bash v2.05b is 612764 bytes, bash v4.1.0 in Easy Debian chroot image is 789896 bytes. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: as long as it supplies 5V... | 02:08 |
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| jacekowski | jaem: it's short with a pullup to ground or V+ but i'm not sure | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope it's not | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: in fact any pullup or pulldown may break the charger detection in 1707 | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | let me just find the docs | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | docs==1704 ds | 02:11 |
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| jaem | DocScrutinizer, It /should/ work fine in terms of the listed specs, but it doesn't seem to. | 02:11 |
| jaem | I only had the Nokia-supplied microUSB cable to use with it - I don't suppose that would make any difference? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't | 02:12 |
| jaem | Just checking... It charges my N810 fine, as well as the odd other thing I've thrown at it. | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I heard a report of a DOA nokia cable CA-101 | 02:12 |
| jaem | The cable should be good - I had three at the time in any case, and used them interchangeably | 02:12 |
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| jacekowski | fscking protected PDF | 02:13 |
| jaem | jacekowski, meh - use Okular - it has a checkbox for that. | 02:13 |
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| jaem | "Obey DRM Restrictions" | 02:13 |
| * jaem unchecks | 02:13 | |
| jacekowski | nah | 02:14 |
| pronto | jaem: HOW DARE YOU >:O | 02:14 |
| pronto | >.> | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | it's qt4 based | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | i don't use qt4 | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | because of what happened to amarok | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | and kde4 | 02:14 |
| jaem | pronto, I live in Canada! Circumventing DRM isn't a capital offense | 02:14 |
| jaem | ...yet | 02:14 |
| pronto | lol | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | when both of theme were ported to qt4 | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | so i just refuse to use qt4 based software | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 02:15 |
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| jacekowski | As shown above .... a dedicated chargin port is required to short the D+ and D- lines with a resistance of rdchg_dat | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | so there has to be a resistor | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're boring me | 02:16 |
| Pauly | im sleepy | 02:16 |
| Pauly | ive been sitting waiting for my phone to charge.......... | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | hmm, RDCHG_DAT | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | from 0 to 200 ohms | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | see why you are boring? | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | well, it looks like it's there to just take wire resistance into account | 02:17 |
| jaem | jacekowski, Okay, that's what I was remembering. | 02:17 |
| Pauly | lol | 02:17 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, did you see something to the contrary, then? | 02:17 |
| raster | moo | 02:18 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jaem: RDCHRG_DAT=0..200R - a short is also a resistor | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: hi! | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ih | 02:18 |
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| jaem | DocScrutinizer, touche (invisible accent is invisible) | 02:19 |
| Pauly | so many people in this channel. | 02:19 |
| Pauly | its scary woaahh. | 02:19 |
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| Pauly | i heart iOS 4 | 02:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer afk | 02:21 | |
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| Pauly | i make jokes | 02:21 |
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| Pauly | gonna eat something? lol i'll be back in 32 min. | 02:21 |
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| jaem | Pauly, we'll be timing you. | 02:24 |
| pronto | ^^ | 02:24 |
| jaem | Woe to you if you're late. | 02:24 |
| mneptok | Pauly: keep the dinner plate away from the lower left edge of your keyboard, or you'll ping out. | 02:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | pronto: ! | 02:28 |
| Shapeshifter | pronto: fellow archer | 02:28 |
| pronto | o= | 02:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | ;_; | 02:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | no, pronto, sit. | 02:29 |
| asj | hey with pr1.2 in conversations I can "Join chat room" I wonder if irc would work better now | 02:30 |
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| jaem | asj, Quite possibly. | 02:30 |
| jaem | I didn't even bother trying before... it kind of helps. | 02:31 |
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| raster | SpeedEvil: speedie | 02:34 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: how goes?> | 02:35 |
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| tuliobaars | hello | 02:36 |
| FIQ | why does the screen light act funny @ #4? | 02:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | well mappero is kinda crashy | 02:39 |
| Shapeshifter | reproducably crashy. | 02:39 |
| tuliobaars | any idea how to compile a script? | 02:40 |
| tuliobaars | for MaemoTurbo? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of script? | 02:40 |
| tuliobaars | a .sh | 02:40 |
| tuliobaars | i wanna debug a .deb | 02:40 |
| tuliobaars | got it? | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't compile sh's - you just run them | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:41 |
| tuliobaars | yeh | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno what maemoturbo is | 02:41 |
| tuliobaars | a minute, pls | 02:41 |
| Shapeshifter | it's the vtec kicking in. | 02:41 |
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| tuliobaars | back | 02:45 |
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| tuliobaars | MaemoTurbo is ascript to optimize the kernel by itself, with some another modules, including a booster for swap files | 02:46 |
| tuliobaars | got it? | 02:47 |
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| tuliobaars | starting with DiabloTurbo, a version for Diablo, availble on 2 languages | 02:48 |
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| tuliobaars | and after a FreMantle | 02:49 |
| tuliobaars | and i just don't know how to make it as a .deb file | 02:49 |
| tuliobaars | to distribute | 02:49 |
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| asjN900 | Awesome it works like a charm | 02:56 |
| tuliobaars | hein? | 02:57 |
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| tuliobaars | sorry asjN900, but i didn't get your point | 03:03 |
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| tuliobaars | so quiet! We need more action! What time do you have more time to talk?? Maybe in the mid of afternoon? | 03:08 |
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| ptl | tuliobaars: ? | 03:10 |
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| tuliobaars | what? | 03:11 |
| ptl | tuliobaars: many people here are from Europe, and it's late at night there already | 03:11 |
| tuliobaars | ahh | 03:12 |
| ptl | that's why this channel is usually quiet at this time | 03:12 |
| tuliobaars | hummm | 03:12 |
| tuliobaars | sorry | 03:12 |
| ptl | Don't apologize, I am from Brazil. :P So, you got difficulties building a package? | 03:12 |
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| ptl | What are you using? | 03:12 |
| tuliobaars | My N810, why? | 03:13 |
| tuliobaars | oh, sorry | 03:13 |
| tuliobaars | i'm form Florianopolis! | 03:13 |
| ptl | to develop your program | 03:13 |
| ptl | Qt Creator? Scratchbox? Something else? | 03:13 |
| tuliobaars | Sctacthbox | 03:13 |
| tuliobaars | ouch | 03:13 |
| tuliobaars | I'm Brazillian too | 03:14 |
| ptl | well, scratchbox is a complete Linux environment with all the packaging command-line tools you need... There are some guides on packaging | 03:14 |
| tuliobaars | yeah, but i guess i would have to rebuild my script instead of debbuging, or not? | 03:15 |
| ptl | ? | 03:16 |
| ptl | Not quite sure what you mean by that | 03:16 |
| ptl | You would just aggregate all stuff needed to run it on an installable file | 03:16 |
| tuliobaars | oh, just get your point | 03:17 |
| tuliobaars | which one you prefer: Scratch box or Qt? | 03:18 |
| ptl | Well, scratchbox is easier to use because it's a GNU/Linux environment and I am a long time user of GNU/Linux. But Qt Creator has lots of features and it's the future for Maemo/Meego, so I must get acquainted to it. | 03:19 |
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| ptl | I do not have a fixed opinion on that, though | 03:20 |
| ptl | I'm trying to do stuff in Qt Creator, if it proves too difficult I'll resort to scratchbox | 03:20 |
| ptl | or even command-line MADDE | 03:20 |
| tuliobaars | But you develop for FreMantle? | 03:21 |
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| pauly | hello | 03:23 |
| tuliobaars | cause my Scratchbox is a trash | 03:23 |
| tuliobaars | i can't do any bullshit | 03:23 |
| tuliobaars | Buggy as a wood | 03:23 |
| pauly | my phone died and has been charging for an hour | 03:24 |
| pauly | but stil wont turn on | 03:24 |
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| pauly | tried holding u and connecting to pc via usb | 03:24 |
| pauly | and still it dont do nothing? | 03:24 |
| microlith | pull the battery | 03:24 |
| tuliobaars | Reflash it | 03:25 |
| microlith | he's trying to do that | 03:25 |
| tuliobaars | Hard Reset it | 03:25 |
| microlith | least that's what it looks like :) | 03:25 |
| pauly | im notr trying to reflash it, just want it on | 03:25 |
| asj | pauly: when you say died, what do you mean? | 03:26 |
| pauly | i drained the battery last night, and now it wont turn on | 03:26 |
| asj | fell in the ocean with it and it died? | 03:26 |
| asj | oh ok | 03:26 |
| pauly | lol | 03:26 |
| asj | pauly: is the orange led lit? | 03:26 |
| pauly | ya | 03:26 |
| pauly | been | 03:26 |
| tuliobaars | no, he jumped off a building using it | 03:26 |
| pauly | lol ya i wanted to test the n900fly app | 03:27 |
| asj | pauly: blinking or steady? | 03:27 |
| pauly | steady | 03:27 |
| tuliobaars | Rofl | 03:27 |
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| ptl | tuliobaars: actually I am trying :P | 03:27 |
| tuliobaars | Try to remove the battery and wait 15min. sharp | 03:27 |
| pauly | really? | 03:28 |
| asj | pauly: I think someone mentioned, maybe SpeedEvil, or someone, that's the emergency trickle charge, only charges slowly at 100mA till it can boot | 03:28 |
| tuliobaars | after pull the battery, and dunnot turn on | 03:28 |
| tuliobaars | wait 5min to turn it on | 03:28 |
| ptl | pauly: you might want to use it in an external recharger, or recharge it in a cellphone that uses the same battery | 03:28 |
| pauly | asj: ya but its been a while? | 03:28 |
| tuliobaars | so its going to work | 03:28 |
| asj | pauly: it'll take a while, though I thought an hour should be enough | 03:29 |
| pauly | i bought extrenal charger off ebay but that will take some time. | 03:29 |
| tuliobaars | no no, try to make a kinda reset on sys bios | 03:29 |
| tuliobaars | like what i said | 03:29 |
| asj | tuliobaars: you say lots of contradictory things | 03:29 |
| pauly | lol | 03:29 |
| pauly | i had this problem be4 | 03:29 |
| asj | pauly: how did you fix it? | 03:30 |
| pauly | but i sold the other phone :( | 03:30 |
| tuliobaars | why, mister know everything? | 03:30 |
| pauly | charged battery with other phone | 03:30 |
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| pauly | but now its gone | 03:30 |
| tuliobaars | its just how i resolve this | 03:30 |
| pauly | so leave it without battery | 03:30 |
| asj | pauly: why don't you have a normal wallwart? | 03:31 |
| pauly | for 15 min till i gues bios resets? | 03:31 |
| smackpotato | batterys cost like 3 bucks | 03:31 |
| pauly | really? | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | simple as life: remove the battery, wait 15 min, put the battery again and its done | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | yeah, like desktops | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | same way | 03:31 |
| asj | pauly: can't hurt anyways | 03:31 |
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| tuliobaars | try | 03:31 |
| pauly | asj: thanks | 03:31 |
| pauly | but i do want another battery | 03:32 |
| asj | (and no it's not like desktops) | 03:32 |
| pauly | so wallmart would have this, i went to best buy and like 3 t-mobile stores | 03:32 |
| tuliobaars | OK. Just my device is like. All others no. | 03:32 |
| asj | pauly: I'm not a fan of the $3 batteries | 03:32 |
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| pauly | i didn't know this existed | 03:32 |
| tuliobaars | try to do this | 03:33 |
| pauly | $3 battery | 03:33 |
| smackpotato | i bought one on e bay it works but there is a certain brand you have to get | 03:33 |
| tuliobaars | is simple and easy | 03:33 |
| smackpotato | also battery chargers | 03:33 |
| asj | pauly: between the potential for fire, and the fact that I keep my phone in my pocket beside my nuts and ride a motorcycle and can't expell the flaming device quickly enough and the trashed n900 why not spend a bit more and get a real one :) | 03:33 |
| smackpotato | cheep | 03:33 |
| pauly | lol | 03:34 |
| microlith | uprotected chinese batteries are very cheap ;) | 03:34 |
| microlith | unprotected* | 03:34 |
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| pauly | well battery has been out of phone since u told me to do so | 03:34 |
| pauly | but if wallmart has a bateery for 3 bucks i feel i should go and try it out. | 03:35 |
| ptl | according to talk.maemo.org threads, tuliobaars's strategy might work: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38961 | 03:35 |
| microlith | I'd be surprised if Walmart carried a battery that worked with the N900 | 03:35 |
| smackpotato | the protection is built into the phone , unlike the ones i used in a flashlight | 03:35 |
| ptl | "Try to take out the battery for a while, then press and hold the power button for 30 seconds or so.. Wait a bit then plug the battery back in.. Then hook the charger back into the N900 and see what happens.. Hope this works out for you! " | 03:35 |
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| microlith | smackpotato: there are circuits in most decent Li-ION batteries | 03:35 |
| tuliobaars | so, are you going to try this way? I just wanna help... this works in most cases | 03:35 |
| tuliobaars | HAHAHA. WHAT I HAVE SAID, ASJ? | 03:36 |
| asj | pauly: you've confused wallwart with wallmart. When charging the n900/battery normally a dedicated charger wallwart works quickest. One should have come with the n900 | 03:36 |
| tuliobaars | TAAKE OUT THE BATTERY AND WAIT, SO PLUG AGAIN | 03:37 |
| tuliobaars | SORRY | 03:37 |
| microlith | chill dude | 03:37 |
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| pauly | im waiting | 03:37 |
| asj | tuliobaars: dooode, you tunneling pupnik? | 03:37 |
| pauly | been waiting..... | 03:37 |
| pauly | im chill i think lol sry for being a retard | 03:37 |
| smackpotato | microlith now. i didn't realize that i bought som li-ion for a flashlight they just discharged below the minimum charge never to be charged a gain | 03:38 |
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| pauly | so, um hows the weather, it rained here today. | 03:39 |
| asj | pauly: you're not being annoying :) | 03:39 |
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| pauly | asj: thanks | 03:39 |
| tuliobaars | what asj? | 03:39 |
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| pauly | asj is that's persons irc nickname lol | 03:39 |
| asj | pauly: hmm? | 03:40 |
| pauly | "<tuliobaars> what asj?" | 03:40 |
| tuliobaars | so confusing | 03:40 |
| tuliobaars | yeah, what he said! | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | asj: mine came w/ a Europe wallwart :( | 03:40 |
| pauly | lol | 03:40 |
| asj | luke-jr: you also got yours for free :) | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | true :) | 03:41 |
| asj | luke-jr: plus ratshack sells the little converters for like $3 | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | any idea how many people actually use Gentoo on N900? | 03:41 |
| pauly | mine came with a "compatible" charger, bought it off ebay for $365 used | 03:41 |
| asj | pauly: I wonder if that isn't helping, if you look at it what's the output current rated at? | 03:42 |
| tuliobaars | so asj, i thiink the answers were almost the same | 03:43 |
| pauly | i think | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | or any idea where to find the N900 kernel .config? | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | PR1.2 | 03:43 |
| pauly | hold on brb going to downstairs laptop | 03:43 |
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| microlith | luke-jr: it should come in the kernel tarball, if you pull it down via the SDK | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | microlith: where? | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | I tried rx51_defconfig, but that has netfilter enabled (whereas the running one doesn't...) | 03:44 |
| microlith | not sure where, I just did an apt-get in scratchbox | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | I mean where in the source ;P | 03:45 |
| microlith | ah | 03:45 |
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| Pauly | hello, all | 03:48 |
| Pauly | im back sry i took so long running on puppy linux without hdd | 03:49 |
| Pauly | im ghetto | 03:49 |
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| Pauly | asj: hi. | 03:50 |
| asj | Pauly: ? | 03:50 |
| Pauly | i left and now im back lol thought yous would miss me | 03:51 |
| Pauly | lol | 03:51 |
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| luke-jr | unlikely | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | we have 489 other idiots here | 03:51 |
| Pauly | im going to put the battery back in now | 03:51 |
| Pauly | ya, but im an awesome idiot | 03:51 |
| asj | glad someone thinks so | 03:52 |
| Pauly | well that did'nt work | 03:53 |
| Pauly | i know i suck at typing | 03:53 |
| Pauly | i have an HTC wall charger that uses usb | 03:54 |
| asj | Pauly: what happens when you press the power button? | 03:54 |
| Pauly | nothing at all. | 03:54 |
| asj | no vibrate nothing? | 03:54 |
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| Pauly | not even the dim screen boot | 03:54 |
| Pauly | nothing | 03:55 |
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| asj | without a voltmeter, the only think I can say is let it sit a few hours maybe it'll charge, try a nokia charger or maybe you got a dud battery. I've had many of them die and never had a problem | 03:56 |
| Pauly | this only happend once i drained the battery, charging the battery for few minutes in a nokia 5230 nuron and then switching battery back works. | 03:56 |
| Pauly | but i sold my phone. | 03:56 |
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| asj | oh, and use a nokia battery, maybe it's not trickle charging some odd chinese knock off? | 03:58 |
| Pauly | asj: it is nokia battery | 03:58 |
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| asj | then what I first said | 03:59 |
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| Pauly | just not nokia charger but i do have an 5v 1a output htc charger so im gonna use that with nokia data cable | 04:00 |
| Pauly | thanks | 04:00 |
| Pauly | asj: hey should i buy and extra bl-5j battery (i already have one but i do have a desktop battery charger coming in the mail) or a nokia wall charger? | 04:02 |
| ptl | Nokia data cable is 500mA only, isn't it? | 04:02 |
| asj | Pauly: <shrug> never had this problem, don't know | 04:02 |
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| ptl | I bought a wall charger for emergencies | 04:03 |
| ptl | it's really cheap | 04:03 |
| ptl | but I never had to use it. | 04:03 |
| ptl | I mean, external wall charger | 04:03 |
| Pauly | pti: like one you put a battery in. | 04:03 |
| ptl | yes | 04:03 |
| Pauly | ya i bought one off ebay. | 04:03 |
| Pauly | but i hate cause ihave to wait couple days | 04:04 |
| ptl | oh... | 04:04 |
| ptl | I would freak out if my phone died, lol | 04:04 |
| Pauly | ptl: so have u ever used your battery til the phone died out | 04:04 |
| ptl | I'm so dependent on it already | 04:04 |
| ptl | I depleted it once but it recharged normally | 04:05 |
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| Pauly | ptl: really, so maybe i should buy a nokia charger? | 04:05 |
| ptl | I dunno, I do not know if there's a real difference. | 04:06 |
| asj | Pauly: it's simply a guess, who knows | 04:07 |
| Pauly | thanks | 04:08 |
| Pauly | well i know im not the only one cause other people have posted pthe same prob | 04:09 |
| Pauly | well ill let it charge til my extrnal battery charger comes in mail. | 04:09 |
| asj | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46549 | 04:09 |
| asj | not very helpful | 04:09 |
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| flailingmonkey | Pauly: the trickle charge will take a LONG time to get it back to working levels | 04:12 |
| flailingmonkey | one 32 minute session is not enough | 04:12 |
| flailingmonkey | I highly suggest a charger with the data pins shorted, as DocScrutinizer mentioned | 04:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | also | 04:15 |
| flailingmonkey | such as the original Nokia wall charger | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you not have the stock nokia charger? | 04:15 |
| Pauly | no | 04:15 |
| Pauly | bought the phone used | 04:15 |
| flailingmonkey | which is why I suggest buying one :) | 04:16 |
| Pauly | i shall | 04:16 |
| asj | Pauly: 2 of us have now suggested it :) | 04:16 |
| Pauly | :) | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:16 |
| Pauly | but i have extrnal wall charger coming in mail, plus i think i'll have to buy the nokia charger online since there is like no nokia store in maryland | 04:17 |
| flailingmonkey | Pauly: anyway, you will have to do the emergency charge orange light thing multiple times | 04:17 |
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| flailingmonkey | Pauly: actually they closed all the Nokia stores in the US :( | 04:17 |
| asj | I'm sure some stores sell accessories | 04:18 |
| asj | (though not many phones use micro-usb only) | 04:18 |
| Pauly | ya i had a 5230 nuron | 04:18 |
| Pauly | used the pin charger | 04:18 |
| Pauly | but microusb was only for data on that phone, would'nt charge off usb | 04:19 |
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| flailingmonkey | Pauly: as long as the phone charged the battery, didn't matter where it came from | 04:20 |
| Pauly | ya i know | 04:21 |
| * PerfDave is looking for a way to charge his N900 off a bike dynamo | 04:21 | |
| ptl | why did they close all nokia stores? | 04:21 |
| flailingmonkey | so, you can get your phone working, by doing a bunch more emergency charges | 04:21 |
| Pauly | hey flailingmonkey, asj thanks for letting me know about the 32 min charge thing | 04:21 |
| Pauly | im using the 1a output usb charger from htc, i think thats my best option for now. | 04:22 |
| flailingmonkey | no problem | 04:22 |
| Pauly | i've been wanting n900 since last year now i finally got it. i love it so much.... | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have a spare USB A-A male-female it's easy to do | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | slice open the cable | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | join the white and grey wires. | 04:23 |
| Pauly | im using the nokia data cable | 04:23 |
| flailingmonkey | i hope the pins are shorted, because then it won't take long! unfortunately if the data pins aren't shorted, the N900 will only draw 100mA of that 1A (safety design thing) | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | plug charger without D+ and D- shorted to the 'host' end - and the n900 stock USB cable to the + end | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | to the other end | 04:24 |
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| Pauly | ya im not that smart lol already confused | 04:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | he's explaining how to make a cable that will charge fast | 04:25 |
| Pauly | is there a way to see if the pins are shorted cause i have like allot diffrent micro usb chargers | 04:25 |
| flailingmonkey | most won't. and its not something you'll be able to check visually | 04:25 |
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| Pauly | speedevil: cant do that cause i have no idea which parts are which? | 04:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | with a multimeter | 04:30 |
| ham5 | break out the fluke | 04:31 |
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| flailingmonkey | gnight all | 04:33 |
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| Pauly | SpeedEvil: Hey, i have a spare usb male a to male b cable? | 04:36 |
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| ham5 | was that a question. | 04:41 |
| ham5 | where do I get info on what a particular process is runing on maemo | 04:43 |
| ham5 | I see 'get' sometimes in top wtf is it | 04:43 |
| ham5 | rtcom stuff | 04:44 |
| ham5 | etc | 04:44 |
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| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/ FWIW | 04:50 |
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| b-man | luke-jr: awesome :) | 04:51 |
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| pigeon | is it possible to adjust the rate of the vibration on the n900? | 04:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes, but I don't know of a nice way to efit the patterns | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | /etc/mce/mce.ini has vibrator settings | 05:04 |
| radic | juclear attck succeeded, take shelder | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Look after VibraPatternRX51 | 05:05 |
| pigeon | SpeedEvil: oh, thanks. i personally find with silent mode, with the n900 on the table, the vibration is quite strong and loud still, so just wondering. | 05:06 |
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| luke-jr | um | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | what idiot thought of using YYYYDDMM for kernel package versions in Maemo5? | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | I can't help but notice 20100903 is considered older than 20101501 ... | 05:19 |
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| xim_ | is there a way to change the maemo system sounds? | 05:21 |
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| rafaelbrandao | I'm trying to get my fingerprint reader to work with my n810 but the lib says it can't claim the interface even when I'm with sudo (which would a be a workaround on ubuntu for example). I've typed "dmesg" and got this: | 05:30 |
| rafaelbrandao | [110527.554687] usb 1-1: device v05ba p000a is not supported | 05:30 |
| rafaelbrandao | [110527.554687] usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power | 05:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | The n810 has - from memory - not much available power for devices. | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The fingerprint reader claims it wants more than is available. | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | The kernel does not enable it. | 05:33 |
| ds3 | add powered hub | 05:33 |
| rafaelbrandao | How can I add powered hub? | 05:33 |
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| ds3 | unplug cable, replug cable into the appropriate orifaces | 05:34 |
| rafaelbrandao | lol, got it. :P | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | ARGH | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | I think my problem is an ABI mismatch -.- | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | what GCC was used for Maemo5? | 05:34 |
| rafaelbrandao | thanks SpeedEvil and ds3 | 05:34 |
| ds3 | IIRC, they should all be EABI | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | ds3: which EABI? :P | 05:36 |
| ds3 | how many are there :P | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | dunno | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | but GCC's ARM ABI changed significantly from 4.3 to 4.4 | 05:37 |
| ds3 | that ABI | 05:37 |
| ds3 | I am referring to the userland-kernel ABI | 05:37 |
| luke-jr | me too, I think | 05:38 |
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| luke-jr | doesn't a change in the C ABI affect everything? | 05:38 |
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| ds3 | not AFAIK | 05:39 |
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| luke-jr | in any case, Gentoo iptables binary can't see the 'filter' table... | 05:39 |
| ds3 | I have used gcc 4.2 binaries on newer systems | 05:39 |
| ds3 | that is a kernel thing, IIRC | 05:39 |
| luke-jr | iptables userland binary I mean :) | 05:39 |
| luke-jr | I also want to build some kernel modules... | 05:39 |
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| ds3 | is it listed in /proc/net/ip_tables_names? | 05:40 |
| luke-jr | no such path | 05:40 |
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| luke-jr | but /proc/net/netfilter/nf_log exists, and the rx51_defconfig has netfilter enabled | 05:40 |
| ds3 | that usually happens when your kernel doesn't ahve that enabled. | 05:41 |
| ds3 | iptables is an additional option, IIRC | 05:41 |
| luke-jr | where? | 05:41 |
| ds3 | kernel option | 05:42 |
| luke-jr | yeah... where? XD | 05:42 |
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| luke-jr | ah got it | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | hrm | 05:43 |
| ds3 | NETFILTER_XTABLES I think | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | this means there's no filters in my way | 05:43 |
| udntnome | my mediabox is slow! | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | ah well | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | ds3: think I can build modules w/ 4.4? :p | 05:45 |
| ds3 | that I donno | 05:45 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: are you using the power users kernel? I think that has the filter stuff there (or is this non N900?) | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | the default has filter too | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | I just wanted to be sure there weren't any :) | 05:46 |
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| luke-jr | ds3: basically, gprs is blocking ports 80 and 443 outbound; I want to auto-proxy *only* those ports via SSH | 05:49 |
| ds3 | always use socks :) | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | I don't want to mess with telling apps to use it :) | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | iptables has a REDIRECT target to intercept stuff, but then I don't know how to get my userland app to discover the original target IP/port | 05:50 |
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| ds3 | *shrug* | 05:50 |
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| ShadowJK | http 1.1 requests contain destination host, so if you redirect to a http proxy, the proxy knows where to go | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: and port 443? | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | in that case you need to tell apps to use a https proxy :) | 05:56 |
| ShadowJK | it only works for normal http because a normal http request looks same as a http request to a proxy | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | but a https request to a proxy is different, the client must request a tcp tunnel to the destination host | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | (and then it does a normal https request through the tunnel) | 05:58 |
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| luke-jr | technically, HTTPS negotiates hostname too | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | but I'd rather a better approach | 06:01 |
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| luke-jr | getsockopt(clientfd, SOL_IP, SO_ORIGINAL_DST, (struct sockaddr *)&dstaddr, &dstlen); | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | bingo | 06:35 |
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| luke-jr | not ideal, since it needs to accept the socket first, but oh well | 06:36 |
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| esaym153 | yawn | 06:58 |
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| luke-jr | whoa | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | rx51_defconfig has Maximum VBUS Power usage set to 2 (range: 2-500 mA, used for USB gadget charging!) | 07:06 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if that wasn't for the n900 as host case | 07:10 | |
| luke-jr | under 'USB Gadget Support --->' | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | CONFIG_USB_GADGET_VBUS_DRAW | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | Enter the maximum power your device draws through USB, in milliAmperes. The permitted range of values is 2 - 500 mA; | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | btw, on prior topic: http://transocks.sourceforge.net/ | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j SOCKSIFY | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | :D | 07:18 |
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| Macer | iptables -A FORWARD -s 122.116.0.0/24 -j DROP <- should drop all pkts from that subnet shouldnt it? | 07:55 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 07:55 |
| slonopotamus | moo | 07:56 |
| mortini | shmoo | 07:57 |
| SpeedEvil | woo | 07:57 |
| arachnist | Macer: -A INPUT -t filter | 07:59 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: only routing, and note you have /24 but might mean /16 | 08:04 |
| Macer | what does 16 convert to? | 08:04 |
| Macer | 255.255.255.0 ? | 08:05 |
| arachnist | nope | 08:05 |
| arachnist | 255.255.0.0 | 08:05 |
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| arachnist | in other words, 122.116.0.0/16 == 122.116.0.0-122.116.255.255 | 08:05 |
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| Macer | ah ok | 08:06 |
| Macer | thanks | 08:06 |
| Macer | so that will deny everything on the #.#.x.x subnet? | 08:06 |
| Macer | well. that explains why hinet was finding its way through | 08:06 |
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| Macer | -A FORWARD -s 122.116.0.0/16 -j DROP | 08:08 |
| Macer | wouldnt it be forward since it is being routed from my router to the local subnet? | 08:08 |
| arachnist | nope | 08:09 |
| Macer | or should the router be treated as a bridge and passing it to the INPUT chain would be better? | 08:09 |
| arachnist | iptables -A INPUT -t filter -s 122.116.0.0/16 -j DROP | 08:09 |
| Macer | didnt even notice -t filter | 08:10 |
| Macer | heh | 08:10 |
| arachnist | not sure if that's not the default table | 08:10 |
| Macer | using debian | 08:11 |
| Macer | i will take a look | 08:11 |
| Macer | without using the table flag | 08:12 |
| Macer | it would just be universal? | 08:12 |
| Macer | i dont want hinet.net to pass on anything :) | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | Macer: if you're doing this on a router, you want to use FORWARD | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | and -t filter is default | 08:13 |
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| luke-jr | tables are different parts of packet processing | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | there's raw, mangle, nat, and filter | 08:14 |
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| Macer | ah ok | 08:15 |
| Macer | i am doing this on the actual machine behind the router | 08:15 |
| Macer | but i will most likely block it on both | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | FORWARD = routed; INPUT/OUTPUT = local | 08:16 |
| Macer | but for now i am concentrating on the server itself | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | FORWARD has no use on a non-router | 08:16 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: ever see VanDread? | 08:17 |
| Macer | no | 08:17 |
| Macer | is that a movie or something? | 08:17 |
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| arachnist | anime | 08:18 |
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| Macer | no. never saw it | 08:21 |
| Macer | ive been watching bleach | 08:21 |
| Macer | :) | 08:21 |
| Macer | im on ep 180something | 08:22 |
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| microlith | geh, bleach | 08:25 |
| * SpeedEvil is rewatching Babylon 5. | 08:25 | |
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| * arachnist 's watchin Serial Experiments Lain | 08:26 | |
| * Stskeeps should rewatch lain | 08:26 | |
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| slonopotamus | 8:30am and +30 outside :( i want some rain! | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | join the club | 08:37 |
| MiXu- | It's almost like being on a trip to Italy or something :) | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: easy fix for the DSP compile bugs in PR1.2 kernel source? | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | what compile bugs | 08:39 |
| MiXu- | Except having to work XP | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: drivers/dsp/bridge/dynload/cload.c:1478:50: error: token "->" is not valid in preprocessor expressions | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: didn't see that one before, what compiler are you using? | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | GCC 4.4 | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | pr1.2 is buildable using gcc4.2 or something | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | the code has basically: #if (somevariable->component) | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | which I don't think could ever possibly work... | 08:40 |
| * Stskeeps dunno, uses meego kernel, upstream + very few patches | 08:40 | |
| luke-jr | does it boot PR1.2? | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | also, define upstream ;) | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | linux mainline | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't have to boot pr1.2 :P | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | I didn't realize N900 was that close to mainline O.o | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | we got some things into mainline during .33/34 | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | neat, aava mobile kit at 2393 USD per kit | 08:43 |
| asj | really? what's all in the kit? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | well considering how expensive a zoom2 is as well - http://www.aavamobile.com/specs.php | 08:45 |
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| asj | I thought there might be a dev board, not just a phone | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so anyhow, it turns out T-Mobile has pretty good signal here, despite their claim to not have service... | 08:46 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: but to sign up for a post-paid plan, they want a bunch of private personal information... | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: welcome out of the cave | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | and their pre-paid plans are a joke -.- | 08:46 |
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| asj | luke-jr: they are going to run a credit check on you...so yes.. | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | asj: well the government says not to tell anyone my SSN, so no. | 08:48 |
| asj | luke-jr: lol :) | 08:48 |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, their only prepaid data plan is "exclusive" to Sidekicks, and blocks ports 80 and 443 outbound | 08:48 |
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| luke-jr | apparently their non-Sidekick block doesn't catch N900 though | 08:49 |
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| luke-jr | and somehow I'm using it with 0 balance XD | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | plus I found tools to auto-proxy the blocked ports ;) | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | just need to build the REDIRECT iptables target | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | haxx0r | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | but I'm hoping to find SIP works good enough to just use the data | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | then it's basically $30/mo for unlimited | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | which is what my wife has on CDMA (but no data) | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | (if SIP doesn't cut it, then it's 15 cents/min) | 08:51 |
| asj | I would be careful, especially talking about it, I'm guessing if they wanted to you could probably get charged with something | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | asj: for what? | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | using a service I pay them for? | 08:51 |
| asj | luke-jr: ianal, but you are not using a service you are paying for. you're accessing a data service you are not paying for | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | well, assuming it starts deducting from my balance once I refill it, I plan to be paying for it :p | 08:52 |
| asj | and accessing a network you don't have permission to be on is not something I would want to do | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | hence the $30/mo | 08:52 |
| asj | plsu the channel isn't that big, the luke-jr defense fund wouldn't be as big as Randal Swartz's | 08:54 |
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| asj | Schwartz | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | asj: if you mean the device mismatch, the FCC doesn't let network owners dictate what hardware is used on their networks ;) | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | so long as it's FCC approved hardware | 08:55 |
| asj | luke-jr: <shrug> ianal | 08:56 |
| * luke-jr shrugs | 08:56 | |
| luke-jr | what damages are they going to claim, anyhow? :P | 08:56 |
| asj | the 50 police guys to track you down ;) | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | lol | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | they just need a warrant to use their towers to triangulate me | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | not police guys | 08:57 |
| asj | not enough towers, you're in bfe/ | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | but I'd argue they could just ring my N900 and ask ;) | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | bfe? | 08:57 |
| Corsac | they don't need to triangulate, they can just ask your gps | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: yeah, if the thing ever gets coords | 08:59 |
| Macer | iptables-restore v1.4.2: Line 6 seems to have a -t table option. | 08:59 |
| Macer | wtf | 08:59 |
| Corsac | yeah, good point | 08:59 |
| Corsac | maybe the crappy gps is because of nokia privacy concerns? | 08:59 |
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| Macer | DROP all -- 122-116-0-0.HINET-IP.hinet.net/16 anywhere | 09:06 |
| Macer | there it goes :) | 09:06 |
| Macer | awesome | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 182087 Jul 13 00:56 /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17612 Jul 13 01:02 /tun.ko | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | any idea WTF is up with that? | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | long path is GCC 4.4, second is PR1.2's | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | sripping? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | both not stripped | 09:08 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: strip it! | 09:08 |
| mortini | hm, i think a friend of mine had the same issue w/android, but i don't remember the issue | 09:08 |
| mortini | or if he ever tracked down the difference | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd, had a good birthday? | 09:09 |
| Macer | damn i seriously hope that blocked all of hinet | 09:10 |
| Macer | when i get the chance i will do the iptables-geoip thing and get some racist routing going | 09:10 |
| arachnist | what's so bad about hinet? | 09:10 |
| Macer | my mail server keeps getting tagged by hinet ips | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | Chinese spam | 09:10 |
| Macer | trying to send spam or relay it | 09:10 |
| Macer | tiawanese spam ;) | 09:11 |
| Macer | i havent started on china yet | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: does Maemo actually need the DSP? :P | 09:11 |
| SpComb | remember to block off the US consumer netblocks first | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: no, but useful to have | 09:11 |
| Macer | us consumer tblocks? | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea how well flasher 3.0 will work with N900? | 09:12 |
| SpComb | http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/countries.lasso | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: Nokia apparently decided 64-bit wasn't important enough to get 3.5 :/ | 09:12 |
| SpComb | "Countries with the highest number of spammers operating within their networks are usually those with poor or non-existent spam laws" | 09:12 |
| SpComb | guess which country is #1 | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i use -3.5 | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: don't suppose you have the code to build me a 64-bit static version? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: bingo, i don't | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | :x | 09:13 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: it works fine on 64bit as long as you have the crappy i386 libs installed | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: which I don't | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | nor plan to | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | I don't have the disk space to waste on 32-bit crap | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | I've been pure 64-bit since like 2005 | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | extremist ;p | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: 3.5 still have the "boot kernel w/o flashing" option? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | should | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | k, so I'll hope it hasn't changed since 3.0 :) | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | used it yesterday | 09:15 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: I'm 64 bit since ages too, but I needed to use flasher, so... | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: FWIW, http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900 | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: 3.0 at least works for flashing | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: ok | 09:15 |
| Corsac | (though it's not really the used space which scares me) | 09:15 |
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| Corsac | (I just don't like having “useless” stuff here and there) | 09:16 |
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| luke-jr | I suppose if I was really desperate I could hijack my PBX | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | or netbook | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | but my wife has that right now | 09:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Aaaahhh... coffee.... | 09:17 |
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| asj | luke-jr: be glad you're not in isreal, they have mobile phone seeking missles | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | you mean Palestine? :p | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | where'd pupnik go lol | 09:18 |
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| frals | man contacts-merger is awesome | 09:19 |
| asj | frals: new app? | 09:20 |
| frals | think first version is a month old or so | 09:21 |
| frals | barisione did an awesome job with it either way :> | 09:21 |
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| ZogG | hey | 09:24 |
| ZogG | how do someone add any news on MO? | 09:24 |
| asj | frals: cool, installing now | 09:24 |
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| asj | there needs to be a speed improvement for the app manager, 2min to load the catalog is terrible | 09:25 |
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| ZogG | asj use fast manager | 09:25 |
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| ZogG | fapman | 09:25 |
| ZogG | the name of program, in extras | 09:25 |
| asj | ZogG: awesome, looking it up | 09:27 |
| ZogG | asj as well you can install rootsh and use command line | 09:27 |
| asj | ZogG: =) yes | 09:28 |
| ZogG | search for apt-get commands in google and you will see how esy it is | 09:28 |
| asj | ZogG: so why is there no apt-file then? :) | 09:29 |
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| ZogG | say what? | 09:29 |
| ZogG | why do you need it? | 09:29 |
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| asj | ZogG: you've never said "what package contains xyz?" it's a pain to grep the Contents.bz2 file | 09:30 |
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| asj | frals: here's a good bug, it matches all my FB contacts and wants to merge them all together. | 09:33 |
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| ds3 | does the 0xffff flasher still work on the N900? | 09:33 |
| asj | frals: ah, lol, they do all have the same work number, heh | 09:34 |
| ZogG | asj there is such tools, i just not that familiar with debian based distros so can't tell you anything | 09:35 |
| asj | ZogG: it's a normal apt tool | 09:35 |
| asj | ZogG: maemo just doesn't include it | 09:35 |
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| ZogG | i don't know i use gentoo and portage utils are enuf for me =))) on maemo i just use forums and maemo.org to know about the programs =) | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: so just use Gentoo | 09:38 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900 | 09:39 |
| ZogG | luke-jr on n900? | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 09:40 |
| Macer | have a phone app? | 09:40 |
| Macer | :) | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | Macer: not yet | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | I'm not even booting yet :) | 09:40 |
| Macer | chroot? | 09:41 |
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| luke-jr | yeah | 09:41 |
| ZogG | haha | 09:41 |
| ZogG | i need phone and has no time | 09:41 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: Maemo phone still works | 09:41 |
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| Macer | 5.2T 3.8T 1.4T | 09:43 |
| Macer | running out of space | 09:43 |
| Macer | need to add a sas card and sas | 09:43 |
| Macer | maybe make a 12 disk sas | 09:43 |
| Macer | on a separate zpool | 09:43 |
| Macer | yeah... wrong # | 09:44 |
| Macer | haha | 09:44 |
| SwedeMike | just buy a bunch of 2tb drives and raid6 them. | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | better, raidz | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:44 |
| ZogG | better — get life | 09:46 |
| ZogG | a* | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: hear the black helis homing in at you? | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:54 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 09:56 |
| RST38h | so, what's cooking? | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | re-yawn | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffee, I guess, is a good plan for cooking | 09:57 |
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| peb | Hi folks, anyone awake? | 10:20 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: are you there? | 10:22 |
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| odin_ | jacekowski, are you looking for OBS ? | 10:34 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Here. | 10:34 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: ? | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: uh? | 10:39 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: cleaning your bans out? | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you don't need to do it :-D | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | : | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | P | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | .. | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | p | 10:41 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: after package is built and queued for import it end's up in repo_queue - and what pick it up from there? | 10:51 |
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| odin_ | will the packages be reset on the move, i.e. does not matter what kind of mess we make ? | 10:51 |
| odin_ | X-Fade, also is this currently shared by other "live" users ? what happens if it breaks? | 10:52 |
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| luke-jr | Armenian Radio was asked: "Is it true that conditions in our labor camps are excellent?" Armenian Radio answers: "It is true. Five years ago a listener of ours raised the same question and was sent to one, reportedly to investigate the issue. He hasn't returned yet; we are told he liked it there." | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: moo. Sorry when I was unpolite to you yesterday | 11:03 |
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| MiXu- | Is there any speech synthetizator for maemo? | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 11:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | espeak? | 11:05 |
| MiXu- | can it be used from Qt code? | 11:05 |
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| flux | I imagine it's a matter of executing the proper binary. | 11:07 |
| flux | apparently there's a library you can use as well | 11:08 |
| MiXu- | ok, sounds good :) | 11:08 |
| flux | festival would sound even better, but I guess it eats cpu too much | 11:09 |
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| flux | has anyone tried it? | 11:09 |
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| X-Fade | odin_: Sorry had a phonecall. It is only used for testing atm, no essential production things run on it. | 11:10 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: We have a queuemananager script which basically copies the files into a the repo tree and runs apt-ftparchive on it. | 11:11 |
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| luke-jr | flux: LOL? | 11:16 |
| luke-jr | flux: Festival sounds like crap | 11:16 |
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| flux | hmm, I remembered it sounded a lot more natural than eSpeak. (of course, not really natural anyway) | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo Jaffa | 11:43 |
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| wazd | I've officially found one product that you can't buy in Moscow for any price | 11:54 |
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| kerio | wazd: the Mein Kampf? | 11:55 |
| wazd | kerio: close :) Elitebook 2540p :) | 11:55 |
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| wazd | I'm trying to buy it for 2 freaking months | 11:56 |
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| wazd | Wish I knew that crap before and just ordered from the eBay :( | 11:56 |
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| Termana | yello | 11:57 |
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| wazd | Termana: heya | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([2010-07-13 04:19:09] <luke-jr> what idiot thought of using YYYYDDMM for kernel package versions in Maemo5?) might be YYYY<week><build> | 12:06 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw I uttered almost same wording some months ago :-P | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | o | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | well anyhow | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | http://vowe.net/archives/011556.html | 12:07 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 12:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | and people complain about the n900 update process | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | built an unmodified PR1.2-source kernel | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | and it won't boot | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 12:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer pokes infobot | 12:07 | |
| Stskeeps | need to drop in /lib/modules too, you know | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: did that, including the current symlink | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lazy bugger down since 7h | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what happened to your cloak? | 12:09 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: *IF* this log is from my kernel, mtd2 begins with: [21378.490783] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:12 |
| luke-jr | earlier today it had some nonsense about failing to read swap panic | 12:13 |
| luke-jr | (which I'm not too worried about since that was probably the MicroSD swap doing something retarded, and I have no important data on there) | 12:14 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, with that battery | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | do we know how to calculate real temperature value | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | from value returned by gaia? | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: have you loked nto sysfs? | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looked into | 12:20 |
| luke-jr | night | 12:20 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 12:21 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 12:23 |
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| jacekowski | /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input_raw | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | how dare they hide stuff in /sys? :) | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | with a logical name and everything | 12:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | evil, pure evil, hiding things in plain sight | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | well, on channel 0 of adc | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | i get ret: 0 status: 0 result: 43 | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: king of sarcasm :-P | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input* | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 32 | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 55 | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | hmm 28 | 12:28 |
| jacekowski | little bit higher than i would like | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ^^ looks about right here. I bet in kernel driver source you'll find the conversation algo | 12:28 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking about using it to measure room temperature | 12:28 |
| jacekowski | that's why i was thinking about using battery temperature from gaia | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way, temp inside device always several °C higher | 12:28 |
| jacekowski | ( it's freezing cold here and somebody has switched AC ) | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for room temp you're better off with LP5523 temp sensor | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 12:29 |
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| Izzeh | since when did "I googled it" become ample excuse for asking stupid questions? | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: honestly I doubt there's any place inside N900 where you get a reasonable idea of room temperature from | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: much more interesting would be to insert a battery cooled down to -5°C, and then immediately read out /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input* every 5s, for next 10min | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as I wonder where that NTC actually sits, and how tight the thermal coupling to battery may be | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it's even unclear if temp1_input actually is that NTC labeled bat_temp | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: R1110 BTEMP -> GAIA ADCIN0 (!) | 12:40 |
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| jacekowski | Nokia-N900-02-8:/sys# i2cget -y 2 0x32 0x3f | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | 0x19 | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's connected to adcin0 ( current input ) | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ADCIN4:BSI, ADCIN2:hs-jack detect, | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | but i have 0x19 from led driver | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | whatever it is | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | LP5523? mompls | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | 0x19=25 | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | 11:29 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: for room temp you're better off with LP5523 temp sensor | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | well, that was your idea | 12:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't have the datasheet with conversion table for temp sensor? | 12:45 |
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| jacekowski | no | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | well, i don't have any usable datasheets for it | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | i got that register from kernel driver | 12:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: LP5523 is nonpublic NDA ds. Dunno if you get same info from LP5521 datasheet | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | reg 0x3f correct | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3f: 8bit 2s complement, 11010111=-41°C, 11011000=-40 ... 01011000=+88, 01011001=89 | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: HTH | 12:52 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LP/LP5523.pdf | 12:57 |
| Termana | ? | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: btw defined range is -41°C..+89°C. Values outside that range are supposed to be limited to the corresponding min/max | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: if that's the URL from wiki, then that's no datasheet but a brief summary | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: alas the link is stale here, or server down or whatever so I can't check right now | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: yep. 4p brief summary | 12:59 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, actually I got it from somewhere else, but it is also linked from the wiki | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the real datasheet is 45p | 13:00 |
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| FauxFaux | Noooooooooo! | 13:00 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, you have it already? | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure :-) | 13:02 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, you should have indicated that, then I wouldn't have even searched :P | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 13:02 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: hmm, any other requirements except NDA? | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe official EE of a existing company | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, irc.freenode.org is laggy like hell today :-S | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Your host is card.freenode.net[38.229.70.20/6667]<< | 13:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: anyway they stamp the document, and maybe also watermark it | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: "" Disclosed to Joerg Reisenweber, Openmoko HW&synergy under NDA/CDA # NSC Confidential Print Date/Time: 2010/01/26 00:25:57"" | 13:13 |
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| jacekowski | where do you go/call to get that doc? | 13:22 |
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| smhar | any good pdf reader in N900 yet? one that supports links and bookmarks | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check ns website, http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LP/LP5523.pdf | 13:26 |
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| ham5 | lag: 80ms - [ connected to zelazny.freenode.net for 9hrs 12secs ] | 13:27 |
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| alterego | teeheehee: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/12/consumer_reports_iphone_reversal/ | 13:30 |
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| alterego | We all knew it wasn't @software probledm ... | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | hmm, no phone number | 13:31 |
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| RZ | Hi | 13:35 |
| RZ | I have some questions about mappero. | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | i've sent a request to them | 13:36 |
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| alterego | RZ: probably better to ask the dev/s, but just ask rtaher than talking about asking :P | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | and i'll see if they decide to send me that datasheet | 13:36 |
| RZ | Ok sorry. Is there a way to simulate driving? I just want to see if the sound is working. | 13:37 |
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| alterego | Oh, well. Go outside, then run down the stgreet holding it and making "brum brum" and "meep" noises. :) | 13:38 |
| jacekowski | i suppose you could hook into location api lib | 13:38 |
| alterego | Sorry, I don't know :P | 13:38 |
| RZ | Ok | 13:38 |
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| RZ | I am going out making sure my neighbours think I lost it. :) | 13:39 |
| RZ | Is mappero the best free navi for N900? | 13:40 |
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| alterego | RZ: dunno, I think it's the only one with voice guided nav if that's what you require. | 13:41 |
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| jacekowski | sygic | 13:41 |
| alterego | jacekowski: not free :P | 13:41 |
| RZ | Is sygic worth its money? | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | think so | 13:42 |
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| jacekowski | well, not really | 13:42 |
| jacekowski | for not a lot more you can get dedicated gps device | 13:42 |
| jacekowski | with holder and car charger | 13:43 |
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| alterego | Heh | 13:43 |
| RZ | I was thinking about buying it if there are no viable free options. Maperro is nice but it is clunky. | 13:43 |
| ech0Asus | sygic is good but is a pain in the ass compared to other gps's... | 13:43 |
| RZ | For about 60? pointless then. | 13:43 |
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| jacekowski | how much was it | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | £50? | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | + holder + charger | 13:44 |
| alterego | Cripes ... | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | cheapest tom tom is like £80 | 13:44 |
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| jacekowski | or less if you go for something cheaper | 13:44 |
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| ech0Asus | takes a long ass time to load.. makes enter addresses in a retarded way too.. have to put in bits and pieces of the address at a time when someones telling you an address that gets in the way if they don't tell it to you in the specific order it puts in front of you.. | 13:46 |
| alterego | I need a job :( | 13:47 |
| ech0Asus | makes you* | 13:47 |
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| ech0Asus | also it doesn't have the right addresses on a lot of houses in houston | 13:47 |
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| ech0Asus | only place i've tested.. | 13:48 |
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| ech0Asus | so much as enter the wrong side of the highway e or w and you'll be 100's of miles from your target here in houston | 13:49 |
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| alterego | Should be able to do an upgrade tomorrow. Gonna get _another_ N900 :) | 14:02 |
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| peb | I'm happy with mine ... just installing the SDK for development :-) | 14:05 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I want one for normal used and one for development. :) | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, real men abuse their devices for evil | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 14:06 |
| smhar | is there a way/application that makes it possible to enter text using handwriting? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:06 |
| alterego | Something I'm not tgoo paranoid about flashing daily/weekly etc. | 14:07 |
| peb | alterego, why for development? Doing the devel on the x86, and then out for testing/production on the N900. Eat your dogfood! | 14:07 |
| alterego | peb: I use Nokia SDK mainly now, so ... :P | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Anyway, it'll be nicer for MeeGo dev and more lower level hacking. | 14:08 |
| peb | alterego ... ok, ok. Have you tried MeeGo on the N900 yet? I've not ... | 14:09 |
| kerio | is there a maemo emulator for development? | 14:10 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, maemo emulator? Like scratchbox? | 14:10 |
| alterego | peb: yeah, it's very flakey at the moment. | 14:11 |
| kerio | i wanna try it! | 14:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, just download and install Maemo 5 SDK onto your linux machine and you're good to go :) | 14:11 |
| zaheerm | any news on when harmattan sdk will be released? | 14:11 |
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| peb | alterego: there's the difference. Leading edge is ok, bleeding edge hurts ... that's the reason for your two and my one device :-) | 14:12 |
| alterego | zaheerm: I've been wondering that for a while, they're very late this time round. :) | 14:12 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK | 14:12 |
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| alterego | peb: yeah. The current meego is probably okay for app dev. But as hardly any of the N900 hardware is working it's a bit lame if you want to do GPs or anything really. :) | 14:13 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: harmattan not fremantle :P | 14:13 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, :P | 14:13 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, he only asked if there was maemo -emulator :P | 14:13 |
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| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: oh sorry, I got confused, thought you were replying to zaheerm | 14:14 |
| alterego | Almost 5k downloads, and no donations. Oh well, not a good revenue stream then :) | 14:14 |
| RZ | Where could i find extensive tutorials for mappero? | 14:15 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, that's why I won't set up donation -page, it would only be frustrating to refresh the paypal -page to see if there's anything :P | 14:15 |
| alterego | Yeah :/ | 14:15 |
| RZ | I can't set a thing. | 14:15 |
| alterego | Though I'm sure I'd get an email if someone did donate? | 14:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, allthough I did get once 1 EUR as donation when I had a signature on a finnish mucician forum that stated: "please donate beer money for poor singer" :P | 14:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, and then I had my bank account number beneath it. | 14:16 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:16 |
| alterego | Dangerous : | 14:17 |
| alterego | Maybe I should state I'm an unemployed bum that needs money for rent in my tmo post :P | 14:17 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, would propably work better ;) | 14:17 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, at least you won't loose anything if you try that for two weeks ;) | 14:18 |
| D-Iivil_Work | => dinner | 14:18 |
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| peb | alterego, do you have a good link to an "how to" after having the SDK installed? The Install is at 40% and I'd like to check upfront .. | 14:25 |
| peb | alterego, forget it ... just found the example codes on the nokia-forum. I'll check with them. | 14:26 |
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| RZ | Where in mappero can I find sound files? And can you change encoding for placenames? I am not using english... | 14:38 |
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| Andy80 | one question: once I've access to Maemo Extras Assistant (I requested it for an application), can I use the same access if I develop another application? or do I have to request a new one? | 14:55 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Andy80, you can use the same. | 14:58 |
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| LjL | how much (and which parts) of Maemo are open source? Stskeeps answered this one for me yesterday, but i'm now not sure whether the rough percentage he gave referred to hardware drivers only, or to Maemo as a whole. | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | maemo a a whole | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | based on packages | 15:03 |
| LjL | Stskeeps: you said about 40% was open source... so what huge pieces aren't? the default apps? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | for instance, sec | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 15:03 |
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| LjL | very interesting, thanks. | 15:05 |
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| Venemo | hey everyone! | 15:07 |
| LjL | now if i wanted to use Mer (while i wait for a working MeeGo), is that like 95% open source (i.e. only the binary drivers required)? | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd personally not bother with mer, it is a 100% open source system but may need extra blobs, but it isn't feature complete | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | you're better off tracking meego | 15:08 |
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| LjL | my idea would be to get a N810 (the N900 is way too expensive), though, so i'd have well, virtually no MeeGo at all at the beginning | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i just had handset UX running, so if you're into optimizing stuff on top of qt without gl.. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:10 |
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| LjL | well i can write some C, but i doubt i'm nearly good enough to understand the source of stuff like this | 15:11 |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: any video/scr shots of a N900 running it? | 15:22 |
| ZogG | tybollt youtube | 15:23 |
| tybollt | olrite... | 15:23 |
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| ZogG | no phone features and a lot of missing things | 15:23 |
| ZogG | tybollt it's an old news | 15:23 |
| sobczyk | is it possible to turn off virtual keyboard for certain fields? (or entire app) | 15:24 |
| ZogG | LjL i'll just quote from #meego <Termana> Aquarina, yes, Mer is now a dead project, everyone has moved to MeeGo | 15:24 |
| ZogG | sobczyk, not sure if it's program relatead or not | 15:24 |
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| Venemo | tybollt: there are some videos on YouTube | 15:25 |
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| ZogG | Venemo slooooowpoke | 15:25 |
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| sobczyk | I designed korean virtual keyboard in python for now but when I select input field the default VK pops out | 15:26 |
| tybollt | yub | 15:26 |
| tybollt | youtubeing now | 15:26 |
| tybollt | wtf | 15:26 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, is there any roadmap or way of tracking of meego on n900, i mean whta is done and what is on progress | 15:26 |
| LjL | ZogG: well i know that, but "dead" doesn't have to mean it won't work... i guess it depends on its degree of completion | 15:26 |
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| tybollt | I just got rickrolled :S | 15:27 |
| tybollt | so this thing w/ overcharging is because of a lack of BME equivalent? | 15:27 |
| ZogG | LjL, let's see, if you can do support it yourself - you can use it, as well MohammadAG51 is working on ubuntu on n900 as far as i know, you can use it also as mer ubuntu based distro | 15:27 |
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| ZogG | tybolltovercharging where? | 15:27 |
| ZogG | LjL, as well i quoted wrong thing - i wanted to quote this — Termana> Aquarina, MeeGo on the n810 is a work in progress | 15:29 |
| tybollt | ZogG: in meego, the video seems to suggest meegoo lacks charging monitoring hence can overcharge the batt? | 15:29 |
| ZogG | tybollt, i dunno, in aava it works great, ask Stskeeps about BME port to meego(or rewritting of it) | 15:30 |
| Termana | ZogG, keep making my highlights set off and I'll need to slap you :P Kidding lol | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: no, it doesnt charge at all. we have working bme now though | 15:30 |
| ZogG | Termana, damn, i made it on purpose cause i wanted that slap | 15:30 |
| * Termana slaps ZogG | 15:30 | |
| Termana | :P | 15:30 |
| ZogG | ohh yeah | 15:31 |
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| Termana | Rather girly thing to do of me, someone might think I'm gay! :P | 15:31 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, can you answer my question please =) | 15:31 |
| ZogG | as well Stskeeps, do you work on maemo as well? | 15:31 |
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| ZogG | Termana, and you are not? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | zogg, wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 , track our meetings and channel logs | 15:32 |
| ZogG | Termana, maybe i'm girl )) | 15:32 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, i meant some organazied roadmap | 15:32 |
| RST38h | No. | 15:32 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, wow, man, be carefull, don't touch me there | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | Medical tools. | 15:33 |
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| ZogG | analzond? | 15:33 |
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| * ZogG smokes too much | 15:33 | |
| ZogG | i mean cigs | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: check bugs.meego.com requirements. we are currently working on audio, modem, wlan | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | for ux parts, thats another department | 15:34 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, as i understand, as stacks are out UX will be out after that soon enuf | 15:35 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, and maemo, do you work in maemo team as well? | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG: nothing to deal with meego. ux is out already? | 15:36 |
| ZogG | i just read the maemo5 upgrade news on T.org | 15:36 |
| Termana_ | Yeah that was a convenient time for my computer to completely freeze up. | 15:36 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps i mean the parts that are not out yet | 15:36 |
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| frals | T.org? | 15:36 |
| ZogG | fralsM.org =) | 15:36 |
| ZogG | frals maemo.org i meant | 15:37 |
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| ZogG | just took wrong letters from TMO | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | zogg, most stuff is there i believe | 15:37 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps good to hear | 15:37 |
| * ZogG needs other sd card as one i bought is fake one =( | 15:37 | |
| frals | ZogG: could you give me a link? | 15:37 |
| ZogG | labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/07/12/qt-47-for-the-n900-news/ | 15:38 |
| Scelt | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/07/12/qt-47-for-the-n900-news/ | 15:38 |
| Termana | ZogG, in answer to your question, no :P | 15:38 |
| ZogG | the words potential and we don't know if and when scare me | 15:38 |
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| ZogG | Scelt, you don't use chrome, do you? =) | 15:39 |
| Scelt | ZogG: chrome? no. I use x terminal | 15:40 |
| ZogG | Scelt, links? | 15:40 |
| ZogG | links2? | 15:40 |
| Scelt | x terminal | 15:40 |
| Scelt | and opera | 15:40 |
| Scelt | but browser has nothing to do with x terminal url catcher | 15:41 |
| ZogG | oh | 15:42 |
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| ZogG | i loved opera once, but now it's lagging and freezing | 15:42 |
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| Scelt | somewhat irrelevant | 15:43 |
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| alterego | hahah: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/13/iphone_support | 16:00 |
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| quidnunc | How do I take photos on the N800? | 16:02 |
| quidnunc | I can't find an app | 16:02 |
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| kerio | huh... camera | 16:04 |
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| * alterego wonders what the chances of Nokia opening up a load of apps for Maemo 5 now they've got MeeGo | 16:16 | |
| alterego | Things like the calendar could do with some serious love .. | 16:16 |
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| Venemo | alterego: yeah, the calendar is very much non-hildonized | 16:20 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I wonder if we can backport MeeGo's calendar app (if there is one) | 16:20 |
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| alterego | Venemo: probably, it didn't actually occur to me to backport MeeGo UX apps to Maemo 5, could be a good idea. | 16:27 |
| alterego | Though, Meego/Harmatten for N900 might just make that idea redundant .. | 16:27 |
| neal | I'm having trouble finding documentation about the .install file's format. Please point me in the right direction. Thanks. | 16:27 |
| alterego | I guess it depends on thee quality of our MeeGo release ... | 16:27 |
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| Venemo | alterego: well, I don't know what will Harmattan look like, but if it will be similar to the MeeGo handset UX, it will be bloatware :( | 16:31 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, irssi isn't auto iding. | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: so? | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, so, no auth with NickServ, no cloak. | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: mhm | 16:33 |
| alterego | Venemo: I think it's safe to say it won't look too much like the MeeGo Handset UX | 16:34 |
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| kerio | GAN900: just connect using your nickserv password as your server password | 16:35 |
| kerio | or use ":user password" as your server password | 16:35 |
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| kerio | RTfreenodeFM | 16:35 |
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| Venemo | alterego: well, people from Nokia say that it will | 16:36 |
| alterego | Oh, hrm .. | 16:36 |
| alterego | I still think it'll look radically different. | 16:37 |
| Venemo | alterego: at last, they both use the "MeeGo touch" (aka. DUI) framework | 16:37 |
| alterego | What do you mean by bloatware anyway? | 16:37 |
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| alterego | Greaet ... Multitouch ... :( | 16:37 |
| Venemo | alterego: well, I wish I was wrong, but I don't think that they will be any more functional than the current Hildon Desktop | 16:38 |
| Venemo | alterego: of course I don't have any information about it, but judging from what we've seen from the Handset UX, I don't expect much | 16:39 |
| Venemo | alterego: I can only hope that they will keep the panoramic desktop feature | 16:39 |
| alterego | Well, if Android has it ;) | 16:39 |
| Venemo | alterego: although I've seen no widgets on the desktop in either of the Handset UX videos | 16:40 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I don't really like Android | 16:40 |
| alterego | Well, I don't think the "desktop" is actually properly implemented yet. | 16:40 |
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| alterego | I'm pretty sure it will be there. What I'd like is widgets on the lock screen :) | 16:40 |
| alterego | (aswell of course) | 16:40 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I hope so | 16:44 |
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| alterego | Of course, this is something we can have a say about :) | 16:45 |
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| Venemo | alterego: how so? | 16:46 |
| alterego | Well, MeeGo is FOSS, if we want widgets in the home screen then all we have to do is get enough people to want the same and submit a patch or whatever. | 16:46 |
| alterego | I mean lock screen ... | 16:47 |
| Venemo | alterego: MeeGo is FOSS, but the UX we'll see in the devices won't be | 16:47 |
| Termana | lol | 16:47 |
| alterego | It will be based on the MeeGo UX base I would have thought ... | 16:47 |
| alterego | Isn't that the whole point? | 16:47 |
| Termana | Venemo, what are you talking about? | 16:48 |
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| alterego | Otherwise we'd have to write home screen widgets for manufacturer X's implementation. | 16:48 |
| Venemo | alterego: in theory, yes, but noone knows for sure | 16:48 |
| alterego | Sure, they'll be customised, but it's going to be the sadme core UX/. | 16:48 |
| Termana | Venemo, MeeGo Touch is now FOSS. Harmattan will use MeeGo Touch | 16:48 |
| Venemo | alterego, Termana: okay. | 16:48 |
| Termana | So, yes, we will see this on devices. But manufactures are free not to use it if they desire. | 16:49 |
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| Venemo | Termana: let's hope so. | 16:50 |
| frals | i have a feeling a comparison with android might be accurate | 16:50 |
| frals | ie theres the foss stuff anyone can use, but manufactures put their own stuff on top - eg senseui or whatever samsungs is called | 16:50 |
| Termana | frals - in a nut shell, yes. | 16:51 |
| Venemo | frals: sense is actually htc's | 16:52 |
| frals | same shit different name ;p | 16:52 |
| Venemo | frals: hehe :D | 16:52 |
| kerio | hmm... will harmattan run on n900? | 16:52 |
| * alterego continues working on his base code ... | 16:52 | |
| Venemo | kerio: there will be a community edition | 16:53 |
| Venemo | kerio: at this point, noone knows if this edition will be better than Maemo 5 or not. | 16:53 |
| Termana | Venemo, not officially from Nokia, but there will be a community effort to put Harmattan on the N900. Nokia have said they will license the closed source parts for usage in a community edition | 16:54 |
| Venemo | Termana: yes, that's what I've said | 16:54 |
| kerio | hold on, *why* are they developing harmattan? haven't they fully moved to meego already? | 16:55 |
| Venemo | Termana: although I really don't get the whole point of Harmattan's existence now that MeeGo is out | 16:55 |
| Venemo | kerio: yes, this is what I don't understand either | 16:55 |
| kerio | i mean, what's the target for harmattan at this point? | 16:55 |
| kerio | the n900?a | 16:55 |
| kerio | er | 16:55 |
| kerio | the n900? | 16:55 |
| Termana | Harmattan has already been in development. Unfortunately Nokia is a business, and they can't just let all the effort into it go to waste | 16:56 |
| kerio | so they *will* release it for the n900! | 16:56 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 16:56 |
| Venemo | kerio: no, Harmattan's target is the "harmattan device" | 16:56 |
| kerio | Venemo: there's no harmattan device! | 16:56 |
| Venemo | kerio: yet. | 16:56 |
| kerio | there won't be | 16:56 |
| kerio | there will be a meego device | 16:57 |
| kerio | if nokia is to be believed | 16:57 |
| Venemo | kerio: Harmattan is also called MeeGo now :) | 16:57 |
| Venemo | kerio: at last, it is "a MeeGo instance" | 16:57 |
| kerio | i see | 16:58 |
| Venemo | kerio: see Ari Jaaksi's blog | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | Marketing sees the world a bit different ;) | 16:59 |
| GAN900 | kerio, yes, I know how to fix it. | 16:59 |
| Venemo | X-Fade: yeah, unfortunately. | 17:00 |
| Termana | X-Fade, heh. Still, if users see the MeeGo UI on the Harmattan device, and then see the MeeGo UI on a MeeGo device, they are probably not going to entirely know the difference anyway | 17:00 |
| Termana | normal users that is | 17:00 |
| Venemo | Termana: the difference will be only the package format | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Termana: But then they expect the meego apps to run too. | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Termana: Which isn't the case. | 17:00 |
| GAN900 | Really, seriously, does anybody else just think "Wow, it's like they put together a UX using only UI paradigms from their competitors" when you look at the Handset UX? | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Details, details ;) | 17:00 |
| alterego | GAN900: yeah, I think it's pretty uninspired ... | 17:01 |
| Venemo | Termana: how do you explain an end user that "this MeeGo can install .debs while that MeeGo can install .rpms" | 17:01 |
| alterego | The Maemo UI, with a bit of polish is so much nicer imo .. | 17:01 |
| alterego | s/is/would be/ | 17:01 |
| Venemo | alterego: agreed. | 17:01 |
| Termana | GAN900, I think its a nice mash of everything, and it looks good IMO. But I have to be honest - I want to flick the windows up to get rid of them like in webOS :P (thats what it looks like) | 17:01 |
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| GAN900 | I mean, come on, the homescreen is lifted right from iOS | 17:02 |
| Termana | And I think other people are going to expect the same, and when it doesn't work, they'll be confused. | 17:02 |
| Venemo | btw, the Handset UX doesn't look bad. it just doesn't look better than Maemo 5. | 17:02 |
| alterego | Really? I think it looks rubbish :P | 17:02 |
| kerio | wait, meego uses rpms? | 17:02 |
| alterego | kerio: yes ... | 17:03 |
| kerio | yum install apt4rpm | 17:03 |
| Termana | Venemo, I'm thinking an end user isn't going to know weather they are installing debs or rpms. You'll just get a nice interface that abstracts away from the packages. | 17:03 |
| kerio | apt-get remove yum | 17:03 |
| Venemo | kerio: http://meego.com/about/faq | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo: What WERE they thinking? | 17:03 |
| Venemo | Termana: well, let's hope that this is the case | 17:03 |
| Venemo | Termana: also, if the Qt guys get it right, you can build the same app for both platforms with a single click | 17:03 |
| Appiah | "MeeGo will use the .rpm format." oh my | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | Venemo, good luck with that | 17:04 |
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| kerio | GAN900: apt4rpm is definetely needed | 17:04 |
| Venemo | GAN900: with what? | 17:04 |
| Termana | Just as an aside, for the people that like the Maemo 5 UI better, there is nothing stopping you from continuing to use that while still taking advantages of all apps made for MeeGo | 17:04 |
| Termana | (chroot) | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | At least if you want to use any real features from either platform. | 17:04 |
| Termana | advantage* | 17:05 |
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| GAN900 | Venemo, Qt Nirvana is only an oasis. | 17:05 |
| Venemo | GAN900: what do you mean? :P | 17:05 |
| GAN900 | It's not actually something I think Nokia as a company is capable of delivering. | 17:05 |
| visz | you mean mirage? | 17:06 |
| Termana | GAN900, what does it matter if Nokia can't deliver it. Thats the great thing of having a community that improves your OS and tools. | 17:07 |
| kerio | Termana: the fact that you can deliver a crappy product? | 17:08 |
| Termana | kerio, twisting my words. I meant that the community is able to assist Nokia in making sure Qt works multi-platform properly. | 17:09 |
| Venemo | GAN900: fortunately, now that it is fully open source, it doesn't depend on Nokia anyway | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff meego.com makes me love tmo | 17:10 |
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| ElAngelo | trying to install fennec but i get a "handler silently failed" | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or X-m.o for that behalf | 17:11 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, Nokia's got too much control over Qt for that to pan out. | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | visz, indeed. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you fork something - if you can - upstream has a _huge_ control over the project | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | And even if you fork, porting stuff over from 'their' branch can be an unsupportable maitnainance problem | 17:15 |
| Termana | GAN900, thats silly. It doesn't matter whos in control, they are going to accept submissions that make it work like its suppose it | 17:15 |
| Termana | suppose to* | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming that 'supposed to' is in line with their internal design requirements. | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | And not in conflict with internal branches of the code that may be being developed in private. | 17:17 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, your overcomplicating the issue IMO - the problem statement was "Nokia is unable to deliver Qt as tool to easily write cross-platform code." If they are unable to deliver this, then it isn't in their internal trees either. | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that an official nokia statement? | 17:20 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, what? no. Scroll up and read :P <GAN900> Venemo, Qt Nirvana is only an oasis. <GAN900> It's not actually something I think Nokia as a company is capable of delivering. | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Scrolling up is too much effort | 17:22 |
| Termana | :P lol | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | though actually I did, and missed that | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - gan's opinion doesn't mean that there isn't an internal nokia effort aimed at it - and if there is - then getting you own code checked into mainline is substantially less likely | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | what is secret now? | 17:23 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, Maybe GAN needs to clarify exactly what he meant. But I took it to mean he didn't think Nokia could deliver it at all, and so code wouldn't be waiting in an internal tree to deliver it | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning though a project is open - if the mainline repo is controlled by the corporate - then there is a tendancy to have internal branches secret sometimes, and merely drop the code into public when it's ready | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nokia being capable of delivering it, and Nokia having an internal project to deliver it are not contradictory. | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia being incapable of delivering | 17:26 |
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| Appiah | umm , is it impossible to import POI's on ovi maps? (n900) | 17:31 |
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| kerio | Appiah: doesn't surprise me | 17:32 |
| kerio | ovi maps for n900 is a crappy program | 17:32 |
| Gh0sty | why you should buy an n900 | 17:32 |
| Gh0sty | http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/34333031#34333031 | 17:32 |
| Appiah | cant read that | 17:33 |
| Gh0sty | short translation: the phone was sliding over the road at 60km/h (not sure how much that is in miles, try google) over a distance of 100m | 17:33 |
| Appiah | but looks like someone dropped that? | 17:33 |
| Appiah | haha | 17:33 |
| Gh0sty | when it fell of his scooter | 17:33 |
| Gh0sty | the phone is still working | 17:33 |
| Appiah | :) | 17:33 |
| Gh0sty | but the sliding mechanism is a but sturdy | 17:33 |
| Termana | Gh0sty, WIN! | 17:33 |
| Termana | :D | 17:33 |
| kerio | scratched, i assume | 17:33 |
| kerio | meh, it kinda looks like mine now | 17:34 |
| Gh0sty | and the black metal on the side of the screen is more metalic looking :p | 17:34 |
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| Gh0sty | well I have to say I dropped mine too :/ | 17:34 |
| Gh0sty | there is a small dent in the side of the screen | 17:35 |
| Gh0sty | but it's ok | 17:35 |
| Termana | How could you, I think I'm going to have to go cry over all these n900 droppings :P | 17:35 |
| Finnish | How is it possible that a TI-based expresscard doesn't work on my laptop? | 17:35 |
| Gh0sty | well it was not intentional :/ | 17:35 |
| Finnish | Sorry, wrong channel! | 17:35 |
| Termana | Gh0sty, :'( doesn't make it any better! That poor n900! :P | 17:35 |
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| Gh0sty | yes i know | 17:36 |
| Appiah | can anyone recommend a free GPS software for n900 that allows POI's? | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | and when it got water over it I was already afraid it would die :/ | 17:36 |
| kerio | probably mappero | 17:36 |
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| Termana | WATER! :O | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | and that was at a concert someone throwing with cups of water ... when i was typing an sms | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | ofcourse it had to land on me and my phone :x | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | but it survived :) | 17:36 |
| kerio | did you punch that idiot? | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | did not see who did it | 17:37 |
| peb | GhOsty, RIP? | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | just felt it :/ | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | would have punched him :P | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | no it's ok | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | dried it with my shirt immediatly and it still works | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | but for a device of 2 weeks old I was scared :x | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | Guess thats not covered under warranty :p | 17:37 |
| Termana | Gh0sty, heh, probably not. | 17:38 |
| wnd | that's where home insurance comes into picture (I know, there's excess, still) | 17:39 |
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| Termana | "I had a flood in my house... no nothing got damaged, only my n900" :P | 17:42 |
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| Gh0sty | lol Termana | 17:44 |
| Gh0sty | a local flood :P | 17:44 |
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| wnd | I dropped my n810 into sea, called my insurance company and explained that the thing slipped out of my pocket while geocaching on a breakwater. five minutes later I was cleared to buy a new one (and repair the damaged one). | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | wnd: nice | 17:48 |
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| kerio | wnd: how much do you pay for your insurance? | 17:50 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: i have something like that for free | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | kerio: just have to pay £30 excess in case of claim | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | kerio: but it comes with my bank account as one of "free" addons | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | kerio: with AA cover, travel insurance with winter sports cover , phone insurance, free overdraft | 17:52 |
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| wnd | kerio, I can't remember exactly, but around 100 euro a year | 17:58 |
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| zeev | Hi, what is going to happen to hildon? | 18:00 |
| kerio | zeev: hopefully it'll die of a painful death | 18:00 |
| Venemo | kerio: why do you say "hopefully"? | 18:00 |
| Venemo | kerio: I will actually miss Hildon. | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | zeev: i've submitted an initial port of hildon on top of stock gtk to the gnome mobile people, in meego packaging, let's see what they do with it | 18:01 |
| zeev | why? is it that bad? | 18:01 |
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| Pauly | hello | 18:05 |
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| Venemo | Pauly: hello | 18:09 |
| Pauly | hello. | 18:09 |
| Termana | recursion combo breaker! | 18:10 |
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| kerio | hello | 18:11 |
| Corsac | ehlo | 18:11 |
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| kerio | Corsac: hmm | 18:14 |
| kerio | that's not the correct way to answer | 18:14 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, I don't think it's going to pan out like people seem to think it will. | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | Termana, due to architecting. | 18:16 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | lo Khertan | 18:21 |
| RST38h | wazzzzd | 18:21 |
| Corsac | z overflow | 18:21 |
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| Khertan | 'lo Stskeeps ... | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 18:23 |
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| Khertan | a bit tired ... after 3 weeks of holidays | 18:24 |
| Khertan | 3 weeks trying to finish the bath room at the first stair in my house ... too many things to do | 18:25 |
| Khertan | nothing finish ... | 18:25 |
| Khertan | i see that you have made a first version of meego running on n810 ... | 18:26 |
| Khertan | nice ! | 18:26 |
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| Pauly | im so sad i charged the phone all night still wont power on :( | 18:26 |
| kerio | Pauly: did you replug it every half hour? | 18:27 |
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| Pauly | ya | 18:27 |
| Pauly | someone said that taking apart ac adapter and hooking directly to battery would work? | 18:28 |
| kerio | woah | 18:28 |
| kerio | i wouldn't risk it | 18:28 |
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| kerio | don't you have a friend with a phone that accepts the same battery? | 18:29 |
| Pauly | im so lost | 18:29 |
| Pauly | all the tmobile stores dont have a open nokia 5230 i can use | 18:29 |
| Pauly | no i do not | 18:29 |
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| Pauly | usa is like so anti nokia for some reason lol | 18:31 |
| RST38h | Yahooo, KOffice now lets edit documents | 18:31 |
| RST38h | (Ok, SOME documents, SOMETIMES). | 18:31 |
| kerio | RST38h: pff - OO.o ftw | 18:32 |
| Termana | RST38h, so whats your really saying is: | 18:32 |
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| Termana | Yahooo, KOffice half works, half anal fists you | 18:32 |
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| Termana | RST38h, anyway, in what cases is it not letting you edit documents? | 18:33 |
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| smhar | I am worried I will fill the / partition very soon with all the downloads I am making :-) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | smhar, then keep track of it | 18:36 |
| Pauly | is bl-5j the only compatible battery for n900? | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Termana: I could not figure it out | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Termana: What I know is this: | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Termana: 1) You can only start a new text document, but not presentation or spreadsheet | 18:36 |
| smhar | lcuk, I am, I think I need to see if I can move a certain directory out of / and symlink it | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Termana: 2) When you open a text document, the UI is not the same as when creating a new document. You cannot use styles, layout, etc but you CAN input text | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Termana: On the positive side though, KOffice is pretty snappy, once you reduce swappiness | 18:38 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know if the Quake II port uses 3D acceleration? | 18:38 |
| PhonicUK | or just software rendering | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Does not afaik | 18:39 |
| valdyn | quake2 is even implemented in opengl? | 18:39 |
| RST38h | is not, afaik | 18:39 |
| valdyn | hmm, it is, looking at those screenshots | 18:39 |
| PhonicUK | there are Q2 ports using OpenGL | 18:39 |
| PhonicUK | there are even OpenGL ES ports | 18:39 |
| Pauly | laters. | 18:40 |
| PhonicUK | the Pandora version uses GLES | 18:40 |
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| PhonicUK | maybe I should set up a build environment and just compile that | 18:40 |
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| RST38h | yep | 18:40 |
| RST38h | The main thing would be about providing comfortable controls though | 18:40 |
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| PhonicUK | I'd use the same scheme as OpenArena I guess | 18:41 |
| RST38h | So many people failed with that, on the mobile devices... | 18:41 |
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| PhonicUK | RST38h, have you tried Mupen64 with the accelerometer? | 18:42 |
| PhonicUK | bliss :D | 18:42 |
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| RST38h | Phonic: Not really, I do not have any games for N64 | 18:44 |
| b-man | ~seen MohammadAG51 | 18:45 |
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| b-man | hmm | 18:46 |
| b-man | infobot isn't on :P | 18:46 |
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| Myrtti | aarrrggggghhhhhhhh | 18:47 |
| Venemo | Myrtti: what's the problem? | 18:48 |
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| Myrtti | heat, thirst and my abysmally bad memory | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | Myrtti: ah. yeah, that's bad, indeed | 18:51 |
| Myrtti | haaaa! GNASH | 18:52 |
| Myrtti | aaarrgghghghhghghg | 18:53 |
| Myrtti | you stupid piece of crap why are you installing adobe flash | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Suffer! | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: :-) | 18:53 |
| RST38h | It is flash 10.x! | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Didn't you want it on your N900? Didn't you? =) | 18:54 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: I didn't want it on my laptop even | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man: infobot is dead since >14h | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man: :-S | 18:54 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 18:54 |
| kerio | ~botsnack i say! | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: /whois infobot | 18:54 |
| smhar | I have internet access in my notebook, my N900 is connected to it using usb, how I can I access the net through it? | 18:54 |
| kerio | :'( | 18:54 |
| Venemo | infobot is not even here. | 18:54 |
| Venemo | smhar: I don't know if it is even possible. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: think that's what I'm saying :-) | 18:55 |
| b-man | : you haven't seen MohammadAG, have you? - i haven't been able to contact him | 18:55 |
| b-man | err | 18:55 |
| b-man | *DocScrutinizer: | 18:55 |
| Venemo | smhar: first you would have to enable internet connection sharing | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man: mompls, could check if he is connected to his bouncer | 18:56 |
| Roaziel | Hi guys and girls... I have a very unusual question. My question is very tech oriented, but is about windows OS, not Maemo, however I came here because this is the only IRC chat I know of where everyone is tech savy o_O... so anyway.. my question is about WPA cracking. I have a 64-bit windows 7 OS, and Im going to be staying at m grandmothers house for a few days. However she has no internet access | 18:56 |
| Roaziel | but her neighbour has a fiberoptic connection routed through a wireless router which is protected by a WPA-PSK | 18:57 |
| kerio | ask her neighbour for access | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: It is harmless | 18:57 |
| TomaszD | Roaziel, you have no chance of cracking the network | 18:57 |
| Roaziel | I cant, her neighbours are a bunch of turds and arent nice to her at all | 18:57 |
| lcuk | Roaziel, live without internet for a couple of days | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But make sure you DECLINE McAffee installation | 18:57 |
| lcuk | its not end of the world | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Because that is going to be way less harmless | 18:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it is not? | 18:57 |
| kerio | Roaziel: try passwords | 18:58 |
| lcuk | no, thats next week | 18:58 |
| kerio | it's what aircrack would do anyway | 18:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, no next DrWho season? | 18:58 |
| Roaziel | Well it kind of is since I need to study while Im at her place but all my assignments are posted up on the schools server. I need internet access :S | 18:58 |
| TomaszD | Roaziel, also, nobody will give you advice that would make them accessory to what looks like at least felony | 18:58 |
| TomaszD | you're on your own | 18:58 |
| lcuk | Roaziel, download now whilst you have internet | 18:59 |
| lcuk | offline cache.. | 18:59 |
| * lcuk rollseyes at people who think the cloud is ever present | 18:59 | |
| Roaziel | i wont be able to access the stuff that will be posted later on | 18:59 |
| TomaszD | download some movies, audiobooks, you'll survive | 19:00 |
| kerio | Roaziel: really, ask the neighbor nicely | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Cloud? What is cloud? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man: sorry, mohammad seems to be offline | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Is it the new thin client? :) | 19:00 |
| kerio | explain your situation, and ask for the password | 19:00 |
| Roaziel | They threw garbage over to my grandmothers yard.. I doubt being nice is gonna help... | 19:00 |
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| b-man | DocScrutinizer: thanks anyhow :) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:00 |
| * Myrtti rolls her eyes | 19:01 | |
| Roaziel | But alright. Thanks anyway. | 19:01 |
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| Corsac | Roaziel: breaking the law won't really help either :) | 19:01 |
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| kerio | Roaziel: pregenerated passwords are related to the serial | 19:02 |
| kerio | the mac address is related to the serial | 19:02 |
| TomaszD | even if he catches the handshake packet, with a moderately strong password he doesn't stand a chance of cracking it, be it with rainbow tables or otherwise | 19:02 |
| kerio | 2+2=h4x | 19:02 |
| TomaszD | so just get a prepaid 3g sim and put it in your phone and make that your access point | 19:02 |
| kerio | if it's not the pregenerated password, it's a birthday/name of dog/birthday of dog | 19:02 |
| Myrtti | move on | 19:03 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Hey chaps, anyone know much about the workings of the N900's gps? cause I have an idea to really speed up the lock time.... | 19:04 |
| lcuk | n900 lock time has never been a problem for me | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man: (infobot) [2010-07-13 16:15:24] <DocScrutinizer> ehlo TimRiker [2010-07-13 16:15:41] <DocScrutinizer> infobot on holiday? --- <no reply> :-/ | 19:04 |
| nidO | make sure agps is enabled, consider changing the agps server to google's, and dont stand in a faraday cage | 19:04 |
| nidO | = np with getting a lock | 19:04 |
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| b-man | hmm | 19:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | I dont have a SIM so I am using the old fassioned orbital type of GPS | 19:05 |
| nidO | get a sim | 19:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 19:05 |
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| Wild_Doogy | but that costs $ lol | 19:05 |
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| Corsac | get wifi | 19:06 |
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| Wild_Doogy | I noticed that the N900 takes a long time to acquire satellites depending on how much sky it can see, but it has no trouble holding them once it finds them. I wonder if it would be possible to trick the GPS module into thinking it was already locked onto all the GPS satelites. lock time from 4~10 min to 30 seconds :-D | 19:07 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Or I could just get a SIM >_< | 19:08 |
| Corsac | Wild_Doogy: I guess you don't really know how gps works? | 19:08 |
| Venemo | Wild_Doogy: wi-fi is good, too | 19:08 |
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| kerio | wait, how would that work? | 19:10 |
| Corsac | wow, 1900€ for aava sdk | 19:10 |
| Corsac | more like an hdk though | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([A]GPS) - I recently noticed - by comparing two devices - that even with WLAN internet access and a decent idea of current location (lon/lat correct in GPSjinni to at least 1. decimal), the device with a non-registered SIM too ages (stopped it after 15min) to get a fix, while the other device with registered/logged-in SIM got a fix in 10s | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it seems there is still some kinda bug in PR1.2 with assisted GPS | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (if it's not the one device being broken hw :-P ) | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | Doc: It appears to use cell info for localization | 19:18 |
| RST38h | (not as in language localization of course) | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | more seems like GPS driver managing the A bit really doesn't know how to use any prev location guess of locationlib which is *not* based on cell info | 19:19 |
| Corsac | when gps enables, it first reset the position to the center of the country it's in, something like that | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: that's not what I observed in GPSjinni | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | Apple Censors Consumer Report iPhone4 Discussions | 19:20 |
| RST38h | fun! | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: as mentioned above the lon/lat shown was pretty exact, but still no fix for GPS, despite the fact it *could* get assisting data via WLAN from internet, based on lat/lon shown in GPSjinni | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Doc: file a bug and raise hell | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I skipped the PIN input so modem wasn't really powered up. Lemme try again with inputting some PIN (SIM still won't log in as it is an expired one) | 19:23 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I don't think that works anymore | 19:25 |
| tuliobaars | hello | 19:25 |
| RST38h | GAN: True | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | Since "maintenance mode" is just code for "we really don't care, but we're going to pretend just a little to appease these irritating people." | 19:26 |
| RST38h | GAN: Is anyone still working on supporting maemo5 at all? | 19:26 |
| Corsac | they all moved to harmattan! | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ack | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, supposedly | 19:26 |
| tuliobaars | harmattan? | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I don't buy it, personally. | 19:26 |
| xim_ | is there a way to change the maemo system sounds? (n900) | 19:26 |
| tuliobaars | is it ready? | 19:26 |
| RST38h | shame | 19:26 |
| tuliobaars | sure, xim_ | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | aye | 19:27 |
| tuliobaars | in /usr/share, i guess | 19:27 |
| tuliobaars | or someplace around there | 19:27 |
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| xim_ | ahh, so i'm supposed to manuallly replace the wav files? seems like a hack, i expected to change a pointer in a config or menu of some kind | 19:28 |
| tuliobaars | Gconf editor | 19:28 |
| tuliobaars | you can change the target | 19:28 |
| tuliobaars | for wav files | 19:28 |
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| tuliobaars | OK, got it? | 19:30 |
| tuliobaars | xim_ ? | 19:30 |
| * tuliobaars Burps! | 19:30 | |
| xim_ | im looking into it | 19:31 |
| tuliobaars | OK, good luck | 19:31 |
| xim_ | honestly i only have the vaugest idea, i'm checking to see if there is gconf-editor in the app manager, and im not sure where to look in there if it does | 19:32 |
| tuliobaars | if u have some questions, just ask | 19:32 |
| xim_ | ok thanks! | 19:32 |
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| tuliobaars | Sure! You're welcome | 19:32 |
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| tuliobaars | SpeedEvil! | 19:33 |
| tuliobaars | Wazzup | 19:33 |
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| tuliobaars | So, xim_, Everithing OK? I think it would be easier if you connect your N900 in PC with WinSCP to change the files | 19:37 |
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| xim_ | yeah, i think your right | 19:38 |
| xim_ | it seems there is no gconf-editor | 19:38 |
| xim_ | and i use ssh all the time | 19:38 |
| tuliobaars | it would be very easier that doing targeting file to file | 19:38 |
| tuliobaars | yeah | 19:38 |
| tuliobaars | No, the Gconf Editor is avaible for all maemo devices, i guess | 19:38 |
| xim_ | nice! found them all under /usr/share/sounds | 19:39 |
| tuliobaars | yeah! | 19:39 |
| tuliobaars | I said something on /usr/share | 19:39 |
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| xim_ | i have gconftool, its command line, but gconf-editor wasn't in the app manager | 19:39 |
| xim_ | o well | 19:39 |
| tuliobaars | IRC 1 x 0 N900 | 19:40 |
| xim_ | this will work thanks | 19:40 |
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| xim_ | lol ya | 19:40 |
| tuliobaars | So add some repo and update | 19:40 |
| tuliobaars | install in xterm | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ([A]GPS) - mhm, it seems AGPS is using the current lon/lat values only when location lib reports at least "low precision". On the device without cell info the GPS applet says "no location" despite the lon/lat it correct from last fix, so GPS lingers on with 3 (correct) sats found, at 80% 96% 100%, but doesn't find any further sat nor gets a fix | 19:40 |
| tuliobaars | so let me tell you something | 19:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: can that be fixed? | 19:41 |
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| kerio | i mean, having a registered sim is not that hard, and the n900 *is* a phone, but still... | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno. You could at least fake a cellinfo | 19:41 |
| tuliobaars | When i was adding some repo in my N810, some N900 apps where avaible for N810! | 19:41 |
| tuliobaars | I've installed some FreMantle apps on N810 | 19:42 |
| tuliobaars | incredible! | 19:42 |
| kerio | tuliobaars: do they work? | 19:42 |
| kerio | :o | 19:42 |
| tuliobaars | yeah! | 19:42 |
| tuliobaars | slow but work | 19:42 |
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| xim_ | ah maybe its because i had turned off extras-development because someone said it would help me install the autodisconnect app | 19:43 |
| tuliobaars | like the easy-deb-chroot | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | woooot, it found a 4th sat - even one of those the other device is using as best ones (before it had bogus sat every now and then, which didn't show up at all in the device with fix) | 19:43 |
| tuliobaars | i'm not sure but can be | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | tadaaaa, FIX! | 19:43 |
| tuliobaars | turn all repos on | 19:43 |
| RST38h | http://dailydiscord.net/resources/vaderKitty.jpg | 19:43 |
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| tuliobaars | Its strange, running FreMantle apps | 19:44 |
| xim_ | haha | 19:44 |
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| tuliobaars | on Diablo | 19:44 |
| tuliobaars | BUT... | 19:44 |
| tuliobaars | I had to install at least 30 libraries... | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another detail I noticed: it seems like GPS isn't really started 'full power' by GPSjinni. At least the device with SIM ramped up number of found sats from 3 to 7, ~10s after I started maps app | 19:45 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what about the builtin map widget? | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | when you run GPS Diagnostic Utility though, it seems to be much snappier | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: not tested | 19:49 |
| smhar | I have installed LED Pattern Editor, but can not seem to find it anywhere in the list of installed applications | 19:49 |
| kerio | smhar: settings? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yes, I seem to remember similar | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: it's in settings | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it has a bug ;-D | 19:50 |
| smhar | ohh,, thanks :-) | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | but no bgtracker | 19:50 |
| smhar | what bug? | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | period duration is shown as half of what it actually is | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or double? | 19:50 |
| alterego | Nice Qt SDK just got hit with "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process :D | 19:51 |
| kerio | what's wrong with the default patterns? | 19:51 |
| smackpotat | if anyone is interested in overclocking there 810 see this synopsys of how im coming along at this page under dochez. i like the guys software very much and it souldn't be to hard to convert to diablo | 19:52 |
| smackpotat | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Donate | 19:52 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: god damn, i am sorry. i just always forget to send you the adapter :( | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no worries - it's no showstopper | 19:53 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: good to know. i have a insanely slow non-functioning brain in the summer time due to the heat. | 19:53 |
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| xim_ | i really dont think maemo has gconf-editor | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | I know I've seen one for atleast Diablo | 19:54 |
| smackpotat | diablo has it xim_ | 19:54 |
| Myrtti | and even if there isn't, gconf files are just xml | 19:55 |
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| Myrtti | it's not rocket science to edit them | 19:55 |
| xim_ | i'm trying to find a way to modify the system sounds of the device without just overwriting the files and which would mean formatting my files i want as aac's or wavs so they match the random default formats etc | 19:56 |
| smackpotat | are there any makefile experts here | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, any network masters around? | 19:56 |
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| smackpotat | what doo you have doc | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my IRC bouncer has a send-Q of some 6000, to the external IP that's my N900 3G internet connection | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course xchat on N900 lags like hell | 19:58 |
| smackpotat | can't help u | 19:58 |
| smackpotat | i use pidgin | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | could anything ahead of an outbound TCP connection block packet sending? | 19:58 |
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| smackpotat | these arnt easy questions | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is that just the amount of of not yet ACKed packets piling up in the sendQ? | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | strange enough outbound from N900 is reasonably fast | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like ~500ms max from one client to other | 20:01 |
| smackpotat | kind of slow dont you think | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | just inbound only sometimes is laggy up to minutes | 20:02 |
| RST38h | why is it surprising? | 20:03 |
| xim_ | doesnt changing system event sound pointers seem like a very basic OS function that should be supported by included menus? | 20:03 |
| alterego | This is quite tiring. | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smackpotat: N900 -3G-> bouncer -internet-> freenode-server_A -> freenode-server_B -DSL-> this_client | 20:03 |
| xim_ | i mean i know its linux and developers like to keep it complicated... ;p | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think <500ms timed by my ears is good enough | 20:04 |
| RST38h | An inbound packet has to deal with WiFi power saving (if going over wifi) *and* N900 being put to sleep most of the time when it is idle | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | An outbound packet is guaranteed to be send from a device that is active | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well understood, except that's 3G, not WLAN | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I wonder if even the modem has some sleeping mode creating minute lags, when inbound data pending | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | most likely | 20:07 |
| RST38h | + consider your cell phone provider's infrastructure that may be biased toward outgoing packets | 20:07 |
| alterego | I can't get XSendEvent to work :( | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, /msg DocScrutinizer51 gave me 13s lag on first time and ~0 on 2nd immediately following | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: strange nevertheless | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it should nicely serve my needs regarding power savings on 3G | 20:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'm on 3g, but i'm not having problems | 20:09 |
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| kerio | (xchat connecting to a bouncer) | 20:09 |
| smackpotat | id say so too i was playing with a ti develpment kit for a cc430 and u could put the modem to sleep the radio could be waked on radio but these are fast actions taking only a few enstuctioons | 20:10 |
| smackpotat | instructions | 20:10 |
| xim_ | is it normal for n900 to be slow and laggy all the time? glitching poeples voices in phone calls etc? | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 20:11 |
| smackpotat | 10,s of cycles | 20:11 |
| xim_ | low fps switching desktops | 20:11 |
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| tuliobaars | Hey | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xim_: cell radio is _enormously_ more complex. | 20:12 |
| tuliobaars | xim_, everything OK with your wav ? | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xim_: It's got its own processor with 16M of RAM, and 2M of ROM | 20:12 |
| tuliobaars | Hello SpeedEvil | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo SpeedEvil | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wooohooo 12k sendQ | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gg | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 20:14 |
| tuliobaars | xim_: Caution with your wavs, you could fu** the files, making them too large or something wrong | 20:14 |
| tuliobaars | make a backup | 20:14 |
| tuliobaars | my device is full of strange icons that i had change | 20:14 |
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| smackpotat | speed evil do you know something on makefiles | 20:15 |
| xim_ | tuliobaars, no, i gave up, its frustrating that there is no built in support for something as simple as changing sound pointers, half the sound files are aac, half are wavs, it would be an ugly hack having to reformat my own files arbitrarily and then overwrite system files to do it, its a dirty hack for some basic OS function, very frustrating | 20:15 |
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| tuliobaars | SpeedEvil, how can I compile a .sh script without using Scratchbox | 20:15 |
| xim_ | goes with the general feelin i have sortof come to feel like my n900 has inherited all the unstable glitchiness and lack of stable apps as all other linux on desktops etc | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't compile sh scripts | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, it doesn't even help to send something, the lines tween "your wav ?" and gg still missing | 20:15 |
| tuliobaars | i know | 20:15 |
| D-Iivil | Evening folks. | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | smackpotat: I know very little of makefiles | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as everything after that | 20:16 |
| tuliobaars | but i wanna make it executable in maemo devices | 20:16 |
| tuliobaars | mkswap, mkdos | 20:16 |
| tuliobaars | dd | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: shell scripts are executable on maemo devices | 20:16 |
| nidO | then you just chmod +x it and execute it | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sendQ 26k | 20:16 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, isn't that executable already? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf?? | 20:16 |
| tuliobaars | not in Maemo | 20:17 |
| nidO | yes in maemo | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | you're not beginning it #!/bin/bash ar eyou? | 20:17 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, just chmod it. | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Because that won't usually work | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | also - you can't execute anything on MyDocs - as it's FAT | 20:17 |
| smackpotat | a module i want to play with has a makefile for an arm cross compiler how to i change it for the diablo sdk | 20:17 |
| tuliobaars | but It only works on ubuntu, yet | 20:17 |
| smackpotat | or do i | 20:17 |
| tuliobaars | how? | 20:18 |
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| tuliobaars | its a Kernel Fixer | 20:18 |
| tuliobaars | called MaemoTurbo | 20:18 |
| xim_ | SpeedEvil, i dont suppose you have any idea why my phone is so laggy then? | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | xim_: Powertop, top, ps, ... | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | the normal 'why is my foo so slow' tools | 20:18 |
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| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, place the script somewhere else than MyDocs and you can execute it after chmoding it correctly. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | mine isn't laggy and I have maybe 60 things installed | 20:18 |
| tuliobaars | yes, this way i know | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Powertop will tell you - largely - what's using lots of CPU | 20:19 |
| xim_ | i use top like crazy, nothing eats my cycles in general, its just naturally laggy fps and sounds | 20:19 |
| kerio | i'd say "basic OS function" would be multitasking, copy and paste, networking | 20:19 |
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| tuliobaars | i wanna distribute and make like a OneClick | 20:19 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, you can put it inside deb and do all chmoding etc automaticly. | 20:20 |
| xim_ | kerio, seriously, its not an apple 2, i get where you are coming from, but guis have come a long way since 1982 | 20:20 |
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| kerio | xim_: so the UI is crappy | 20:20 |
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| tuliobaars | But how can i do it? | 20:20 |
| kerio | not the OS | 20:20 |
| tuliobaars | D-livil! | 20:20 |
| kerio | it's a *huge* difference | 20:20 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, google for debian packaging. | 20:21 |
| tuliobaars | sure | 20:21 |
| tuliobaars | thanks for help | 20:21 |
| RST38h | xim: decrease swappiness. | 20:22 |
| xim_ | kerio, ill buy that, but still its a symptom of a larger issue of linux (and the dev community) being disorganized and relying on 3rd party software they have no quality control over to perform essential tasks, then the 3rd party apps never work or do what they are supposed to do, its the same on ubuntu as slack as maemo | 20:22 |
| RST38h | UI is ok. It is lagging because of some outdated kernel settings. | 20:22 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars, no problem. I'd help but it's too slow to type coz I'm chatting with N900 atm. | 20:22 |
| tuliobaars | I'm on N810 | 20:22 |
| RST38h | xim: Ok. Then buy an iPhone and stop whining. | 20:22 |
| tuliobaars | iPhone is piece of BS | 20:22 |
| kerio | xim_: with disorganization also comes variety | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Because FOR ME, the 3rd party apps that I have installed work exactly how they are supposed to work | 20:23 |
| xim_ | i used to be the biggest anti-microsoft linux-up-talker there was, and after using linux as my primary os for years, its def not as stable or perfect as people act, mainly because of this 3rd party app thing | 20:23 |
| DrGrov | xim_: go get yourself a fucking iPhone and stop complaining you little greedy bastard | 20:23 |
| RST38h | xim: With an iPhone you will not have any larger linux issues, such as community | 20:23 |
| tuliobaars | iPhone is for Noobs | 20:24 |
| kerio | it's not perfect | 20:24 |
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| kerio | but it's way better than the alternative | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | xim: And you will not need any 3rd party apps because iPhone does everything you will ever want from a phone | 20:24 |
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| tuliobaars | "Ohh, but it have a Xterm Emulator!" | 20:24 |
| RST38h | xim: And it is shiny. | 20:24 |
| xim_ | RST38h, really? fmms doesnt work, half the games crash when you try to open them, the offline GPS map downloaders are non existant and do nothing, the IR remote programs dont work at all, the os lags so much even the system sounds glitch when i get a text message, the widgets like recaller crash spontaneously | 20:26 |
| nidO | uh? | 20:26 |
| D-Iivil | RST38h, it even tells you how to keep the phone correctly in hand. Or should I say it forces you to handle it "right" :P | 20:26 |
| kerio | xim_: qtirreco works great here | 20:26 |
| DrGrov | xim_: so stop fucking complaining and get the iPhone and enjoy. Perhaps that is better? | 20:26 |
| xim_ | so my option is apple, or no quality control | 20:26 |
| kerio | and the ui is snappy | 20:26 |
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| tuliobaars | iPhone 4 x N900 | 20:26 |
| RST38h | xim: As I said, get yourself an iPhone: it has MMS | 20:26 |
| kerio | xim_: or winmo! :P | 20:26 |
| tuliobaars | iPod Touch x N810 | 20:26 |
| RST38h | xim: As for myself, I never had fMMS installed | 20:26 |
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| nidO | fmms works fine for me, i havent seen a single game that crashes, qtirreco works perfectly, my os doesnt lag atall, and i've been using recaller for 4 months recording every call i make/receive and its never glitched once | 20:26 |
| nidO | whats that say about you? | 20:27 |
| RST38h | xim: And all the games I have installed work | 20:27 |
| tuliobaars | I prefer the N900 and the N810 | 20:27 |
| tuliobaars | and you guys? | 20:27 |
| kerio | :O there's a program to record calls? | 20:27 |
| xim_ | it says maybe i have a defective device | 20:27 |
| DrGrov | nidO: i perfectly agree with your statement. | 20:27 |
| xim_ | recaller | 20:27 |
| nidO | kerio yeh, recaller | 20:27 |
| xim_ | it works awsome when it doesnt crash your desktop | 20:27 |
| kerio | cool | 20:27 |
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| DrGrov | nidO: nothing has had any issues what so ever. sure, a few reinstalling issues after PR 1.2 but that is minor | 20:27 |
| RST38h | xim: I can share images directly, using email or any of the image sharing services | 20:27 |
| D-Iivil | I had few crashes here and there with recaller. | 20:27 |
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| xim_ | can even record non call mic input, with amazing clarity | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | xim: Why would I even need MMS? | 20:27 |
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| kerio | xim_: fyi, the iphone doesn't do call recording | 20:28 |
| kerio | i think | 20:28 |
| * D-Iivil thinks xim_ is on wrong channell.... | 20:28 | |
| xim_ | lol i hate the i phone | 20:28 |
| xim_ | steve jobs is a huge tool | 20:28 |
| tuliobaars | when does the PR 1.3 going to release? | 20:28 |
| xim_ | im a computer engineer | 20:28 |
| kerio | nah, it's a nice phone | 20:29 |
| xim_ | i just want some quality control | 20:29 |
| BugBlue | ~pr1.3 | 20:29 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... | 20:29 |
| DrGrov | xim_: so stop complaining already, wrong channel | 20:29 |
| kerio | for end users | 20:29 |
| D-Iivil | xim_, huge tool??? | 20:29 |
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| tuliobaars | humm, that sounds lit bit gay | 20:29 |
| tuliobaars | "Huge Tool" | 20:29 |
| nidO | theres plenty of quality control. if you want more, register a garage account, join the testing squad, and put some time in testing applications before they hit extras | 20:29 |
| nidO | it seems you have countless problems with these applications that no-one else does, so youll be an ace source of debugging info. | 20:29 |
| xim_ | yeah | 20:30 |
| kerio | and regarding the signal drop... the n900 has a consistant 12dBm drop when i hold it with the right hand | 20:30 |
| xim_ | it must be my device if yall are saying all those apps i mentioned work for you | 20:30 |
| tuliobaars | Huge tool sounds gay... | 20:30 |
| nidO | that or you'll be told to apply some computer engineer 101 skillz and figure out whether it's just you thats buggered your device first. | 20:30 |
| tuliobaars | stop saying that... | 20:30 |
| D-Iivil | kerio, how can you monitor the cell level? | 20:30 |
| kerio | netmon | 20:30 |
| kerio | although it crashes constantly under 2g for me | 20:31 |
| D-Iivil | kerio, have to try it out :P | 20:31 |
| wolf^ | tuliobaars, please stop flashing us with your projections | 20:31 |
| kerio | tuliobaars: HUGE TOOOOOOOOL | 20:32 |
| RST38h | ...in a turtleneck | 20:32 |
| kerio | hmm, is there a way to use key repetition instead of using the symbol key? | 20:32 |
| tuliobaars | projections? What are you trying to say? | 20:32 |
| xim_ | maybe i should wipe my device and start it over from scratch | 20:33 |
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| tuliobaars | How much a used N900????? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 20:33 |
| infobot | Since Tue Jul 13 14:36:01 2010, there have been 4 modifications, 14 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 15 commands. I have been awake for 2h 57m 49s this session, and currently reference 117133 factoids. I'm using about 16656 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 246.85/22.82 child 0.01/0.03 | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-)) | 20:33 |
| RST38h | don't wipe, sell | 20:34 |
| nidO | 0 morons? | 20:34 |
| RST38h | get an iphone 3gs | 20:34 |
| derf | That moron count is suspiciously low. | 20:34 |
| nidO | theres gotta be at least 50 in this channel | 20:34 |
| tuliobaars | i wanna buy one | 20:34 |
| RST38h | 'cause they say 4g is kinda broken | 20:34 |
| kerio | xim_: meh | 20:34 |
| tuliobaars | N900! How much? Used one! | 20:34 |
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| tuliobaars | I wanna buy! | 20:34 |
| kerio | tuliobaars: ebay.com | 20:34 |
| tuliobaars | some one wanna sell yours? | 20:35 |
| kerio | i bought mine for 350€ | 20:35 |
| tuliobaars | i know ebay.com | 20:35 |
| tuliobaars | oh | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: waitwaitwhat? netmon? | 20:35 |
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| tuliobaars | here is around 1000 dollars | 20:35 |
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| nidO | where the hell is "here", the moon? | 20:36 |
| xim_ | i really dont want an iphone, i want an open platform heavy development phone with awsome hardware like the n900, i just have been very dissapointed with how the one I have performs up to this point, maybe i installed a bad APPle when i first got it that fubared everything | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: what's netmon? where from is that 12dBm figure? | 20:36 |
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| xim_ | i assumed everyone else had the same issues as me and was just living with it because "yay its linux" | 20:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: a program for n900? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't fool me, LINK!! | 20:36 |
| xim_ | so it sounds like I need to wipe | 20:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: apt-get install netmon | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 20:37 |
| kerio | not sure what repo, don't care | 20:37 |
| nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/view/netmon/ | 20:37 |
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| nidO | devel | 20:37 |
| kerio | i assume you have everything | 20:37 |
| kerio | xim_: hmm | 20:37 |
| kerio | can't hurt | 20:37 |
| Venemo | re | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAA | 20:38 |
| Venemo | I've got disconnected | 20:38 |
| Venemo | my network provider is a pile of garbage. | 20:38 |
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| D-Iivil | a flash a day keeps the phone in shape :P | 20:38 |
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| kerio | i started my "experience" by flashing everything - used phone | 20:38 |
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| tuliobaars | hey, lost connection | 20:38 |
| tuliobaars | so, do someone want to sell your N900??? | 20:38 |
| nidO | tbh iv had my device since february, and i've only had to reflash it once, and that was intentional to switch from uk firmware to global | 20:38 |
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| tuliobaars | i reflash it every week | 20:39 |
| kerio | tuliobaars: they wouldn't hang around #maemo if they wanted to get rid of their n900 | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( curse MohammadAG and his custom kernel spoiling any apt-get with "have unmet deps" | 20:39 |
| kerio | pwnd | 20:39 |
| tuliobaars | but, i don't know, someone could have two and wanna sell one | 20:39 |
| kerio | what's wrong with kernel-power? | 20:39 |
| D-Iivil | tuliobaars: http://cgi.ebay.com/NOKIA-N900-MOBILE-PHONE-N-900-32GB-SMARTPHONE-N-900-/270607129131?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item3f01711a2b | 20:40 |
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| kerio | tuliobaars: well, if they have two they probably have a reason | 20:40 |
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| kerio | (that is probably "being crazy") | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: doesn't know about hostmode | 20:40 |
| tuliobaars | a reason could be sell it? | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | or they personally own one and one is for work purposes | 20:40 |
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| kerio | ooh | 20:41 |
| Myrtti | tuliobaars: would think they would've sold it by now | 20:41 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: does it work? | 20:41 |
| tuliobaars | just forget it | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope :-PÜ | 20:41 |
| Myrtti | electronics is a bad investment, price goes down the moment you walk from the shop | 20:41 |
| tuliobaars | why.... | 20:41 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: That is a yet undiscovered market | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Electronics that attans value with time | 20:42 |
| RST38h | attains | 20:42 |
| tuliobaars | no, here, the N810 still is being selled at around 600 dollar | 20:42 |
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| nidO | again, where is "here"? | 20:42 |
| tuliobaars | and a N900 for 1000 | 20:42 |
| tuliobaars | Brasil | 20:42 |
| Myrtti | tuliobaars: and what was the original price for it? | 20:42 |
| D-Iivil | lol: " I love this phone but I just don't have the time anymore to use all of the functions it provides." | 20:42 |
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| xim_ | myrtti, exactly the same with cars, minute you drive them off the lot the value drops by 10gs | 20:43 |
| tuliobaars | N810: Starting at 1000 to 5000 reais | 20:43 |
| Myrtti | tuliobaars: see, so the price has gone down | 20:43 |
| tuliobaars | N900: 1200 to 2000 reais | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n900 | hi again | 20:44 |
| tuliobaars | hi | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, netmon :-) | 20:44 |
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| D-Iivil | tuliobaars: 1200 reais seems to be about same what they sell the N900 here in Finland also. | 20:44 |
| tuliobaars | ihere eletronics are expensive | 20:44 |
| Myrtti | I bought my N800 for £70 a year ago. | 20:44 |
| Myrtti | used electronics is like that | 20:45 |
| tuliobaars | yeah, thats the right price | 20:45 |
| tuliobaars | but look at N810! | 20:45 |
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| tuliobaars | 5000 | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n900 | maybe someone have an idea on how i can achieve a tab switching like in fennec in qt between different window ? | 20:45 |
| xim_ | i got mine for free from a guy who works for nokia | 20:45 |
| xim_ | thats the right price | 20:45 |
| tuliobaars | can you gimme one too? | 20:45 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: and still you're whining? | 20:45 |
| xim_ | i wish | 20:45 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: I would understand the whine if you'd paid the price... | 20:46 |
| evilbit | anyone using diablo with gpe_calendar and syncevolution? | 20:46 |
| xim_ | lol no you didnt | 20:46 |
| tuliobaars | Diablo is with me | 20:46 |
| xim_ | you just like shouting | 20:46 |
| tuliobaars | Use zsync | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum ... noone know :( | 20:46 |
| tuliobaars | sync GPEcalendar with outlook and Gcallendar | 20:46 |
| tuliobaars | I still use diablo running FreMantle apps. Any problem? | 20:47 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: shouting? Me? | 20:47 |
| tuliobaars | Hardware modified N810 | 20:47 |
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| evilbit | I don't have outlook... | 20:47 |
| tuliobaars | but Gcalendar or Gmail? | 20:47 |
| tuliobaars | i guess | 20:48 |
| tuliobaars | Thunderbird | 20:48 |
| tuliobaars | give the shot | 20:48 |
| evilbit | I'm running a funambol server and the desktop is linux + evolution | 20:48 |
| tuliobaars | Thunderbird engine | 20:48 |
| tuliobaars | open Evo | 20:48 |
| tuliobaars | look for sync | 20:49 |
| tuliobaars | and sync! | 20:49 |
| xim_ | D-Iivil, you wouldnt "whine" if you had a device hailed as the nail in the iphones coffin, which then was glitchy and laggy and half the apps didn't work? with performance issues that no one can explain? that is so unreasonable? | 20:49 |
| tuliobaars | Simple as life | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nidO: thanks | 20:49 |
| xim_ | that you would curse at the person | 20:49 |
| tuliobaars | xim_ you can't just stop whining? | 20:49 |
| evilbit | tuliobaars: well, I'm really looking to sync without being bound to the desktop | 20:49 |
| tuliobaars | oooh | 20:49 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: well.. if I had it for free... | 20:49 |
| xim_ | thats retarded | 20:49 |
| tuliobaars | do you use internal mail? | 20:49 |
| xim_ | are you retarded? | 20:49 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: I wouldn't be that pissed. | 20:50 |
| RST38h | xim: 1) Nokia never hailed it as a nail in iphone's coffin | 20:50 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: does 2g work for you? | 20:50 |
| tuliobaars | Whos retarded? | 20:50 |
| RST38h | xim: (stupid bloggers did, but you weren't listening to them, were you?) | 20:50 |
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| D-Iivil | xim_: and now you start to throw names in the air? Just wondering who's the retarded one here... | 20:50 |
| tuliobaars | WHO IS RETARDED? | 20:50 |
| RST38h | xim: 2) As I said before, the lagginess is easy to fix with a single line in XTerm | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no 2G for now, SIM expired -> status: SIM rejected | 20:50 |
| RST38h | tuliobaars: You are. Wanna talk about it? =B)~ | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | GUYS. CHEESECAKE. | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | CHILL OUT. | 20:50 |
| xim_ | someone who says a promotional device shouldn't work is retarded | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Hey, I have just come back to this window and found my prey! | 20:51 |
| tuliobaars | RST38h: Your luck i woke up happy today, or... | 20:51 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: where did I make a statement like that? Could you be so kind and point me that :) | 20:51 |
| RST38h | or? | 20:51 |
| tuliobaars | I dont said that! | 20:51 |
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| xim_ | not you tuliobaars youve been helpful | 20:51 |
| xim_ | d-Iivil is just being obnoxious | 20:51 |
| tuliobaars | oh thanks | 20:51 |
| Myrtti | for crying out loud. it's just a bloody piece of plastic and some solder | 20:52 |
| Venemo | tuliobaars: "dont said" -> "didn't say" => learn English! | 20:52 |
| xim_ | and no im not gonna quote what you said 60 seconds ago | 20:52 |
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| tuliobaars | RST38h: The retarded here is you. Stop doind this. Talk like a man, not like a kid, please | 20:52 |
| xim_ | I already said i probably just need to flash the device, and you keep attacking me for being upset my device doesnt work | 20:52 |
| tuliobaars | Jealous... | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | finger pointing ♥ | 20:53 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: all I said was I wouldn't be so damn pissed of if I had something for free and it didn't work flawlessly. I would just put it away and that's that. | 20:53 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: you were the one that immediately started taking out cards like "retarded" ;) | 20:53 |
| xim_ | but that was just an excuse to keep attacking me in reality, because you were already flaming me before i said i got it free | 20:53 |
| tuliobaars | Ohoh, things are getting warm here, isn't? | 20:53 |
| RST38h | tuliobaars: meh! | 20:53 |
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| tuliobaars | meh! | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | please, could you chill!? | 20:53 |
| xim_ | and not immediatly, after i found you couldnt be reasoned with | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | bye | 20:53 |
| xim_ | yeah im done | 20:54 |
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| tuliobaars | Meh! Whats that? | 20:54 |
| alterego | Anyone here got a little time and some Xlib knowledge? Specifically with XSendEvent for sending key press/release events? | 20:54 |
| tuliobaars | xim_: tuliobaars@gmail.com | 20:54 |
| RST38h | tuliobaars: That is my reaction to certain people | 20:54 |
| RST38h | alterego: yes, what? | 20:54 |
| tuliobaars | No problem | 20:54 |
| tuliobaars | Relax and enjoy the view | 20:54 |
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| xim_ | anyway im gonna go reflash, thanks for the help (you know who you are) | 20:55 |
| xim_ | later all | 20:55 |
| D-Iivil | xim_: later, don't be away too long :) | 20:55 |
| alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042809 - I'm trying to programatically open the application menu ... | 20:55 |
| tuliobaars | hey | 20:55 |
| tuliobaars | contact me xim_ | 20:55 |
| RST38h | alterego: a moment | 20:55 |
| tuliobaars | if you have problems | 20:55 |
| xim_ | sure thing, got your email ;) thanks | 20:56 |
| RST38h | alterego: funny, I have done that :) | 20:56 |
| xim_ | pz out! | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Maemo5 has not got F4 though | 20:56 |
| alterego | RST38h: and it worked for you? | 20:56 |
| RST38h | no, I did it differently | 20:56 |
| alterego | RST38h: I know, but it's in the Qt source, so I presume that function still works .. | 20:56 |
| alterego | I just don't know _my_ code works because I've got no real way of debugging it. | 20:56 |
| alterego | RST38h: do you have an example? | 20:56 |
| RST38h | For Tentacled's sake, people, SOTP USING XTest | 20:56 |
| RST38h | XTest has not been designed for your little apps =) | 20:57 |
| D-Iivil | RST38h: XTest? | 20:57 |
| kerio | f4? | 20:57 |
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| tuliobaars | Xtest? | 20:57 |
| kerio | ooh, function keys | 20:57 |
| tuliobaars | F4? | 20:57 |
| kerio | i miss function keys ._. | 20:57 |
| alterego | RST38h: this better? | 20:57 |
| alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042814 | 20:57 |
| RST38h | alterego: It is your own app, right? And you are opening a menu in it? | 20:57 |
| alterego | RST38h: that's the aim yes ;) | 20:57 |
| RST38h | alterego: Yea, XSendEvent is the one | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Lemme locate my code | 20:58 |
| alterego | RST38h: thanks :) | 20:58 |
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| kerio | what's xtest and what's wrong with it? | 20:58 |
| tuliobaars | RST38h, wheres the F4 function key? | 20:58 |
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| alterego | tuliobaars: there is no F4 key on the N00, | 20:58 |
| alterego | ~N900 .. | 20:59 |
| RST38h | alterego: I do it much easier | 20:59 |
| alterego | tuliobaars: there is on the N8x0 and 770 though | 20:59 |
| alterego | RST38h: good! HOW?! :D | 20:59 |
| RST38h | alterego: I directly call the event handler, as it is in the same appp | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | alterego: bypassing X completely | 20:59 |
| alterego | Uhuh | 20:59 |
| alterego | RST38h: gtk? | 20:59 |
| tuliobaars | but in N8x0, just witn ext. keyboard, i guess alterego | 20:59 |
| RST38h | alterego: yea | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | alterego: But yours should work | 20:59 |
| RST38h | alterego: Except that you should probably send KeyClick | 21:00 |
| alterego | tuliobaars: no, it's the menu button on the N8x0, and 770 | 21:00 |
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| tuliobaars | ohh | 21:00 |
| tuliobaars | thx | 21:00 |
| RST38h | alterego: The real key goes like this: KeyDown->KeyClick->KeyClick->...->KeyUp | 21:00 |
| alterego | m'kay | 21:00 |
| tuliobaars | and the Chr? Works for something useful? | 21:01 |
| RST38h | alterego: try KeyClick first, if it does not work, send all three in sequence | 21:01 |
| RST38h | alterego: And I doubt F4 still works | 21:01 |
| alterego | RST38h: Do you happen to have scratchbox running at the moment? ;) | 21:01 |
| RST38h | alterego: Nope. WinXP. | 21:01 |
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| alterego | Urgh | 21:02 |
| RST38h | alterego: And I am an SB2 person anyway | 21:02 |
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| alterego | Oh, m'kay | 21:02 |
| tuliobaars | SP2 | 21:02 |
| alterego | Let me check the source, hang on. | 21:02 |
| alterego | RST38h: I'm pretty sure F4 does still work. | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | alterego: how have you checked? | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | BT keyboard? | 21:02 |
| tuliobaars | so, havve to go | 21:02 |
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| tuliobaars | BRB | 21:03 |
| tuliobaars | bb | 21:03 |
| alterego | RST38h: no, just the source, I don't have sbox to check. | 21:03 |
| alterego | Is anyone here running scratchbox right now? :) | 21:03 |
| tuliobaars | me | 21:03 |
| alterego | tuliobaars: have you got the emulator running with a maemo5 desktop? | 21:03 |
| tuliobaars | Oh, now, but Qemu should help? | 21:03 |
| alterego | No ... | 21:04 |
| tuliobaars | sorry | 21:04 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: I am. | 21:04 |
| tuliobaars | my sbox is for diablo sdk only | 21:04 |
| tuliobaars | sorry | 21:04 |
| tuliobaars | so, bb | 21:04 |
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| alterego | Ah, m'kay | 21:05 |
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| Venemo | alterego: why isn't MADDE good enough for you? | 21:05 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: why do you ask? | 21:06 |
| alterego | Because I need to see if F4 works in the emulator :P | 21:06 |
| alterego | Because I don't have a device with an F4 key :) | 21:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: why do you need F4 anyway? | 21:06 |
| alterego | Because F4 "should" trigger the application menu. | 21:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: I thought you want to open an app menu progmatically | 21:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: aaah... | 21:06 |
| Venemo | okay. | 21:07 |
| alterego | :) | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: switching to GSM with netmon open works like a charm | 21:07 |
| alterego | RST38h: http://qt.gitorious.net/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.6-fremantle-pr1.2/src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp | 21:08 |
| alterego | Line 3381 -> 3388 | 21:08 |
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| D-Iivil | wtf. Why isn't my xephyr opening? What went broken with scrathbox after updating Ubuntu? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: switching back to DUAL works as well | 21:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:09 |
| D-Iivil | I get this in terminal when trying to launch xephyr: hildon-desktop[28590]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: :2 | 21:09 |
| D-Iivil | and after that it segfaults :-/ | 21:09 |
| D-Iivil | scratchbox terminal is working just fine. | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | mpff, no xchat on new device yet | 21:10 |
| RST38h | ahha | 21:10 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: you need to "export DISPLAY=:2" | 21:10 |
| alterego | in scratchbox | 21:11 |
| RST38h | is that thing defined though? | 21:11 |
| alterego | RST38h: yes | 21:11 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: I'm using the start_xephyr.sh to launch it. | 21:11 |
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| alterego | Oh, | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | alterego: could you post XSend* thing again? | 21:13 |
| RST38h | hello konttori | 21:13 |
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| konttori | RST38h: hi | 21:13 |
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| D-Iivil | well.. didn't need the graphical emulator anyways :-/ | 21:14 |
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| alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042846 | 21:16 |
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| alterego | bbiab | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivil: that error means that app can't connect to xserver | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivil: so it's either not running | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivil: or not running on display :2 | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivil: or it's not configured to accept connections from that client | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | or all of the above | 21:20 |
| D-Iivil | jacekowski: okay... well... how to debug or even get it up and running again? It worked fine before upgrading Ubuntu from 9 to 10. | 21:21 |
| RST38h | alterego: root must be the root window of screen | 21:21 |
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| D-Iivil | jacekowski: hmm... synaptis is offering an upgrade for xserver. Will try to install it and see if it works then :) | 21:25 |
| D-Iivil | synaptic. | 21:26 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: then it's probably related to my weird situation | 21:28 |
| kerio | h3g italy uses tim (the main provider) as a fallback when 3g is not available | 21:28 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if it's considered roaming | 21:28 |
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| D-Iivil | jacekowski: when trying to run the Xephyr it gives me: Unrecognized option: -kb | 21:32 |
| D-Iivil | jacekowski: I'm trying to run it with this command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & | 21:32 |
| D-Iivil | Okay... I should learn to read the wiki :D | 21:34 |
| D-Iivil | "Ubuntu 10.04 users using the package in the repositories will have to run the same command without the -host-cursor and -kb, however the terminal window will have to stay open." | 21:34 |
| D-Iivil | Works now :-P | 21:34 |
| D-Iivil | But cannot see my cursor in Xephyr window... :D | 21:35 |
| D-Iivil | Nevermind. Just added the -host-cursor back to the launching command and it's working now. | 21:37 |
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| D-Iivil | So alterego, what did you want me to test? | 21:37 |
| alterego | Load up a program that has an app menu, and press F4 on your keyboard and tell me if it opens the menu | 21:38 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: by app menu you mean? | 21:39 |
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| D-Iivil | alterego: in conversations it indeed opens up a menu. | 21:40 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: but in browser it does not. | 21:40 |
| kerio | microB is weird | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *modem* is weird. Still(!) no decent USSD&servicecodes | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, there's a ticket for it | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is no phone, that's evident | 21:44 |
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| kerio | ussd? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a miracle how it got GSM cert | 21:45 |
| kerio | service codes? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | *#61# | 21:45 |
| kerio | what does that do? | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.gsmcodes-online.de/Rufumleitungen/rufumleitungen.html | 21:50 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: would it be of any use to be able to modify CMTS firmware? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | *#61# is a query if cal redirect on no accept is enabled | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: probably | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM-Code | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data | 21:52 |
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| DrGrov | How can I easily do a call forwarding from my N900 to my fiancees N97 when I am on the move? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: that's the point - you can't | 21:53 |
| DrGrov | Seriously, WTF? | 21:53 |
| DrGrov | How the fuck does that not work? This is so crappy fucked up news | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | because modem firmware/cellmo driver was built in a way where all the STANDARD codes do not work like they do on *every* other cellphone | 21:54 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Now Nokia has really fucked up things! | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: there is a call forward thing in phone console | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as crippled as can get | 21:55 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: It does work I hope without any problems? | 21:55 |
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| DrGrov | Tomorrow I do not care who answers at Nokia Care or where ever else but I do get them to know that I am angry as hell. | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, since PR1.2 USSD (*1xx#) seems to work | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not the standard service codes | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | well, i think i know how to wipe certificate block and program it again | 21:56 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: you do? that is great :) | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm sure about wipe | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure about programming it again | 21:57 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: good, wiping is good to know :) | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | because it looks like it may still need to be signed | 21:57 |
| DrGrov | nah, always destroy first and then think what is happening :D | 21:57 |
| DrGrov | who actually was so dumb at Nokia to even think about such an idiot idea to even not get call forwarding to work properly? | 21:57 |
| kerio | DrGrov: the n900 is an internet tablet with a 3g data modem | 21:58 |
| kerio | calling with it is a side effect | 21:58 |
| Mousey | its a phone | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | and then even if we would change certificates to known value | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | Mousey: tablet | 21:58 |
| Mousey | phone! | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | tablet | 21:58 |
| Mousey | the n810 was a tablet =P | 21:58 |
| Mousey | *sniff* | 21:58 |
| Mousey | i miss that thing | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | iPad is a phone? | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 | 21:58 |
| ljrn900 | N900 is an upgraded N810 | 21:58 |
| kerio | n900 > n810 | 21:59 |
| Mousey | you mean downgraded =( | 21:59 |
| DrGrov | kerio: it is a fucking phone! | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | it's a fucking tablet | 21:59 |
| kerio | jacekowski: no calls | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | even nokia sells it as a tablet | 21:59 |
| microlith | everything with a 3G modem is a phone, obviously | 21:59 |
| ljrn900 | the phone app is a phone | 21:59 |
| DrGrov | it is a god damn phone, and a tablet. both shit in the same package. | 21:59 |
| Mousey | its more a phone than a tablet | 21:59 |
| Mousey | sadl | 21:59 |
| Mousey | y | 21:59 |
| ljrn900 | my N810 can make calls.. | 22:00 |
| * microlith refrains from sarcastic mockery | 22:00 | |
| jacekowski | btw. i've heard that HTC desire has worse battery | 22:00 |
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| Mousey | btw, who cares. HTC doesn't run debian (derivatives) | 22:00 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 22:01 |
| DrGrov | yeah, who gives a fuck if the N900 does not have a WORKING call forwarding? | 22:01 |
| DrGrov | God damn I get more and more irritated at all the flaws... | 22:01 |
| DrGrov | When I do want to explore possibilities the answer always is "No, it does not work". or then it is a PITA | 22:01 |
| Mousey | get an n810. it'll be a long time before a better tablet is released again | 22:01 |
| kerio | why is it better than the n900? | 22:02 |
| microlith | well, instead of raging and griping here, why not sell it? | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | Mousey: n900 is a tablet | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: did you even try ussd widget and such? | 22:02 |
| Mousey | bigger keyboard, bigger screen, better feel in hand, HOST MODE USB | 22:02 |
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| jacekowski | is call forwarding really broken? | 22:02 |
| Mousey | better speakers | 22:02 |
| kerio | Mousey: so... doesn't fit in a pocket and has host mode | 22:02 |
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| kerio | i see | 22:03 |
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| jacekowski | i thought you can set it up from settings | 22:03 |
| Mousey | its a tablet, pocket fittery is optional | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.gsmcodes-online.de/Handycodes/handycodes.html | 22:03 |
| DrGrov | microlith: you think i will give up on the N900 so easily? You gotta be kidding me | 22:03 |
| Mousey | its always fit in my pocket | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for N900 muhahaha | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | Settings -> Phone -> Call Forwarding | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | there | 22:03 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: I will try it out, I had some minor issues though. | 22:03 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: will try that way first. if it does not work i will try the ussd widget. | 22:04 |
| * Mousey goes off and prices n810's NIB.. if there are any left =( | 22:04 | |
| DrGrov | microlith: you think I bought the N900 just to sell it after 6 months? | 22:05 |
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| microlith | DrGrov: you reminded me of all the whine posts on TMO | 22:05 |
| DrGrov | Do not get me wrong because of my rage towards the N900. I do consider it the best phone/tablet out there. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: USSD widget does not work for service codes. just tested it >:-(( | 22:06 |
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| microlith | such rage is unhealthy, especially over a piece of consumer electronics | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | microlith: have you ever seen me whine about something that is unrelated? | 22:06 |
| microlith | I've seen too many whiners to care | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: it's definitle one of the most crappy phones I ever seen | 22:07 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: well, crappy can be defined in many ways. i kind of like it for my purposes. | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems the 3G chipset actually wasn't designed for phone usage originally | 22:08 |
| DrGrov | microlith: yeah, you do sound a bit naggy unfortunately. | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | same cellmo as in other phones, go check the isi headers, has entries several years back | 22:09 |
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| DrGrov | Perhaps time to wait for a new better phone then... | 22:10 |
| DrGrov | Nokia has really gotten worse over time | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | n900's still a quite cheap developer device | 22:11 |
| kerio | DrGrov: nokia C2-00 | 22:12 |
| kerio | epic phone | 22:12 |
| kerio | well, *two* epic phones | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda hope meego on n900 might help some issues though | 22:12 |
| DrGrov | kerio: you got any links to show? | 22:12 |
| kerio | it's not out yet | 22:12 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: i would love to see meego working well on n900. | 22:12 |
| DrGrov | kerio: ah yes, it is part of the new C-series phone that will replace the mid-range devices? | 22:12 |
| kerio | i think it replaces the low-end devices | 22:12 |
| kerio | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/03/dual-sim-nokia-c2-revealed-photo-gallery/ | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: we are even going with a open telephony stack, so its nice | 22:13 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: YOU DO? :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: ofono, etc | 22:13 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: gOd damn this makes me happy :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | of course this doesnt mean the celluar software is open, but everything on linux side.. | 22:13 |
| DrGrov | kerio: but the phone looks hideous | 22:14 |
| kerio | huh? looks nice to me | 22:14 |
| kerio | especially the blue one | 22:14 |
| DrGrov | kerio: it surely does look like a child's toy | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: parts are already out, speech path, etc | 22:14 |
| kerio | DrGrov: needs more blinkenlights? | 22:14 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: good good :) i do hope the phone capability will become good in a day-to-day environment. | 22:15 |
| kerio | it looks like a... phone | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | DrGrov: yeah, me too | 22:15 |
| DrGrov | kerio: no, the form factor i kind of like. i do have a 3120 classic i will donate to my father. | 22:15 |
| DrGrov | kerio: but one thing i find utterly hideous on the phone is actually nothing to do with the form factor. | 22:15 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, which part of the phone is missing for you? is it just the call forwarding? | 22:15 |
| RZ | Is the maemo.org only non nokia repository on N900? | 22:15 |
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| kerio | DrGrov: what, then? | 22:15 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: no, call forwarding is basically just a good minor thing to have around when needed. I would love to have something a bit more in it. I gotta think a few minutes to really let you know what it is. I am trying to figure out the word in English, I only think of it in in Swedish. | 22:17 |
| DrGrov | kerio: the button size would have to be bigger i think. surely i am young but i like my buttons bigger. | 22:18 |
| kerio | that's what she said! | 22:18 |
| DrGrov | kerio: and no real space between the buttons, feels everything is cluttered. | 22:18 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: now I have the word in English. | 22:19 |
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| DrGrov | lcuk: damn this, i do keep forgetting all the time. i should start writing down memo notes.... | 22:20 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, please do, constructive words are always requested and not taken lightly | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the callui of meego | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug #8830 | 22:21 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 22:21 |
| lcuk | is it open, so people could theoretically replace the entire ux | 22:21 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i try my best not to complain too much. i would like to phrase my ideas as more constructive but some things just make my blood boil. | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, yes | 22:22 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, yeah i just tend to bite tongue ;) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | :) Stskeeps | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | as in meego rpm, harmattan prolly not | 22:22 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i try to put in more Swedish snus in my upper lip to cool myself :) | 22:22 |
| kerio | is there a way to enable global autorotation? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | then that calls for more debian patches on meego | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Comment #4 from Andre Klapper: So for the upcoming PR1.2 release Nokia implemented most of the stuff from TS 22.030 --- I see, I see. MUHAHAHAH *sob* | 22:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | you're not on 1.2, right? | 22:23 |
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| Pauly | hi, all. | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | me? I am right now | 22:24 |
| Pauly | got my n900 to turn on. | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I rise this topic again | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, the easter egg | 22:25 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: One thing I was thinking about recently is that there should be some more nicer feature rich "Conversations" things... Not 100% sure how I mean but I am thinking more of deeper interaction with Conversations. Not just the widgets but more like a feel to the messaging. | 22:25 |
| Pauly | i cut the ac adapter and just connect the wires straight to the battery for couple mins, fixed the problem. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | missed the easter egg | 22:25 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: easter egg? what where? do spill | 22:25 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if same modem as in N900 is in CS-15 | 22:26 | |
| Stskeeps | Pauly: O_o | 22:26 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, i often want to use accelerometer and vibe unit and be able to shake device on one side of world and have the other side respond | 22:26 |
| kerio | hahaha wat | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c8 | 22:26 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 22:26 |
| lcuk | but that would get abused for risque things and potentially void warranty | 22:26 |
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| kerio | lcuk: remote handshake? | 22:27 |
| kerio | (physical handshake, i mean) | 22:27 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: perhaps not what I was thinking about but yes, that would be amazingly cool :) | 22:27 |
| lcuk | kerio, remote interaction | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | Considering at the time, similar spec Nokia modems only appeared in CS-15 (which is a usb internet dongle) | 22:27 |
| RZ | Is the maemo.org the only non nokia repository on N900? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | however or whatever you use it for | 22:27 |
| tybollt | hmm there are too few "shake-to-control- apps for maemi | 22:27 |
| Pauly | stskeeps: i drained n900 battery and it would'nt charge throught the micro-usb port so i went straight to the battery | 22:27 |
| kerio | RZ: mozilla has one for fennec | 22:27 |
| lcuk | if you pat your device on the head | 22:27 |
| lcuk | it shakes :) | 22:28 |
| * lcuk nearly has prototype for something uber cool working | 22:28 | |
| mikki-kun | Pauly: isn't that risky? Ö.ö | 22:28 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: PM me. Got a cool idea for you since you like testing all kind of crazy things. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | rz - theres potentially other repos for specific programs | 22:29 |
| Pauly | ya but i didnt feel like waiting 3+ days for an extrnal battery charger | 22:29 |
| lcuk | but none that i know of with the scope or awesomeness of maemo.org | 22:29 |
| kerio | hmm... i installed a build of chromium some time ago, that someone here made | 22:29 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, ive got 3 days to submit a proposal for something | 22:30 |
| kerio | who was it and is there a newer version? | 22:30 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: so PM me now! :) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | and i have to *know* it will work before i can finish it | 22:30 |
| lcuk | so, no im not doing anything more :P | 22:30 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: I can not guarantee that it works but I am sure you can get a cool laugh out of it | 22:30 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, shout publicly tho :P | 22:30 |
| DrGrov | okay, I will shout it out then | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: congrats :-) | 22:30 |
| DrGrov | So... | 22:30 |
| DrGrov | Damn this brain of mine! | 22:31 |
| RZ | but maemo has only one repo? | 22:31 |
| DrGrov | Fuck it! I do not get my things together | 22:31 |
| lcuk | lol DrGrov | 22:31 |
| Pauly | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help, but the fail safe 32 min charge did nnot seem to charge phone at all. | 22:31 |
| ShadowJK | Oauky: what happened when you connected charger to n900? | 22:32 |
| RZ | I could swear there was at least one more. I might be mistaking. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | rz, the older maemo devices suffered from fragmentation, and a repository aggregator called gronmayer exists | 22:33 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: How can I get another boot video except the Nokia hands? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | which lists all the repos from back then, some may have n900 repos | 22:33 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: I want something a lot lot lot lot more ubersexier! | 22:33 |
| kerio | DrGrov: there's a way | 22:33 |
| lcuk | search forums, theres many bootvideos | 22:33 |
| kerio | search the wiki | 22:33 |
| lcuk | and instructions for changing, i think theres even an app | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pauly: I told you it won't work with arbitrary random charger | 22:33 |
| kerio | there are some *really* cool premade boot videos | 22:33 |
| DrGrov | I do hope it is not too difficult to pull through since I do hate to work as root | 22:33 |
| DrGrov | I love to work as root on my desktop but not on the phone | 22:34 |
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| kerio | DrGrov: http://www.garyshood.com/root/ | 22:34 |
| Pauly | now i am going to flash it, YAY! | 22:35 |
| DrGrov | kerio: thanks, gotta read it through first :D lol | 22:35 |
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| DrGrov | kerio: so what you are trying to say is that I can not fuck up my / on the N900 ? | 22:37 |
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| kerio | DrGrov: If you are so incompetent that you can't even handle using bash without typing rm -rf / every few commands, just stop reading here. Go back to the Ubuntu forums where all of your problems are packaged away for you in nice binaries because you can't even handle installing a program from source. | 22:38 |
| kerio | :P | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | kerio, if people have to resort to dropping to root because developers are being lazy then perhaps you should go back to windows | 22:39 |
| lcuk | :p | 22:39 |
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| kerio | lcuk: always run as root! you'll grow a full beard! | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i tried that | 22:39 |
| ear0wax | what the hell is going on | 22:39 |
| lcuk | ear0wax, i am letting off steam, kerio is growing a beard | 22:40 |
| kerio | i already have one! | 22:40 |
| kerio | because i run as root! :D | 22:40 |
| ear0wax | I have a beard, Im bout to shave it off im tired of hair in my mouth | 22:40 |
| DrGrov | I had a real fully bush as a beard but I got sick and tired of it since I could not taste the real bush | 22:41 |
| DrGrov | I just kept tasting my own full bush | 22:41 |
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| * microlith facepalm | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | DrGrov, congratulations, you win the award for stopping the chan | 22:42 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: Hell yeah! | 22:42 |
| DrGrov | I know I am the man! | 22:42 |
| * DrGrov bows down in gratitude | 22:43 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.arib.or.jp/IMT-2000/V730Jul09/5_Appendix/R99/22/22030-340.pdf is of 1999 an can be considered an absolute basic requirement for every User Equipment capable to do GSM (no matter if it's called a phone) - please vote for bug #8830 ! | 22:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 22:48 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: I managed to do something right at least | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually Nokia has implemented a complete set of compliant code handling in about every phone they ever built. I just can't see why they failed on N900, they just had to copy over from somewhere else | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean, hell, even my year2000 6210 knew how to do each single one of those codes | 22:51 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: because N900 isn't a phone | 22:53 |
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| Appiah | but has a phone function.. | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | anyone know a way to default the phone app to SIP? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's no excuse. TS22.030 applies to User Equipment | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 *IS* a User Equipment for GSM | 22:54 |
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| luke-jr | my N900 apparently just decided it isn't going on 2G/3G unless I select network manually... | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: it has a Man Machine Interface to enter numbers, so MMI codes are mandatory according to TS22.030 | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not shy to ask 3GPP board about that issue | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 6.5.1 | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | General | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | The supplementary services shall be controlled in accordance with the procedures described below. All User Equipment | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | with MMI shall be able to be controlled in this way, to minimize the confusion of users using different types of User | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Equipment (quite likely, due to the use of the SIM IC card) and to permit the introduction by a PLMN operator of new | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | supplementary services, not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment. These procedures are based on those | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | recommended by ETSI/HF and ITU-T Recommendation E.131. | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | anyhow | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | I can't manually select AT&T | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't N900 let me connect to roam? | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nota bene: TS22.030 does NOT specify a comprehensive set of codes to support, but instead specifies a way for UE to handle MMI that were ""not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment"". So I really don't get what Nokia is doing there, with just supporting one or 2 out of the whole range of possible codes. Quite obviously the interpretation of a code's semantics is not in the domain of the dialer, nor is it the domain of the | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | modem firmware | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smells like someone implemented multiplication by a hardcoded 1x1 lookup table, rather than an algorithm | 23:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: where? | 23:07 |
| kerio | and lookup tables are awesome | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fo MMI (that was a metaphor, maybe not a very good one) | 23:08 |
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| Venemo | hey guys. | 23:10 |
| rohit2 | Hello,, I have an application written in javascript.. is there any way to port this application on maemo?? | 23:10 |
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| alterego | rohit2: run it in the browser? | 23:12 |
| Venemo | I seek for some advice for my Sticky Notes app. | 23:15 |
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| rohit2 | actually then it won't suit the UI requirements for phone.. also I want to develop a save feature for the app.. my app can't setup database through a browser// | 23:16 |
| Venemo | From a usability standpoint, would it do any good to have an option to change the font or the text colour for selected text inside a note? | 23:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | It actually can save rohit2 | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://tiddlywiki.com/ for example - sort of works on n900, and can locally save. | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | However. | 23:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6591 | 23:19 |
| povbot | Bug 6591: Javascript security settings do not persist (tiddlywiki.com) | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | is annoying | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo: is this the sticky notes app with three (?) icons at the top to do stuff? | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And a semitransparent note on the desktop? | 23:21 |
| kerio | Venemo: hmm | 23:21 |
| kerio | i say useless | 23:22 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: yeah. but they are on the bottom | 23:22 |
| kerio | fuck rich text | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I think the ability to pop between a big and a small font might have plusses | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 23:22 |
| Venemo | well, some sort of rich text will be definitely there, as it is a popular feature request. | 23:23 |
| Venemo | so: bold, italic, underline, strike-through for selected texts will be there | 23:23 |
| luke-jr | any simple way to dump the boot log to a file? | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | I tried prepending /sbin/preinit with exec >/bootlog 2>&1 | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | but apparently that doesn't cover everything | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c17 for your reference, when you're going ass-kicking | 23:33 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 23:33 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG51, hey | 23:34 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, hey | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: obviously it wont cover exe calls that do their own redirecting of stdout/stderr | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but stuff still goes to console... | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 23:36 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i know you and MohammadAG51 are very close, both your nations hate mine. and you talk with him a lot... i wanted to ask you to say hello from me and that i miss him | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I will read that through. | 23:36 |
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| luke-jr | I think I just broke my rootfs :( | 23:36 |
| alterego | Uh-oh ... | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: dunno what 'my nation' does. Be assured it's not even close to what I do | 23:36 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, but you do hate me =) | 23:37 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, what you mean broke, like disk itslef or just os? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really. I may think about that once more though :-P | 23:37 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: I did a bad change to /sbin/preinit | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I miss MohammadAG51 as well | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | any ideas to recover, other than reflashing? | 23:38 |
| ZogG | luke-jr can't boot at all? | 23:38 |
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| luke-jr | nope | 23:38 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It seems like a huge problem. | 23:38 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, so you can't =)) | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | NOLO? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: maybe his card elapsed a 4 digits debit for roaming abroad meanwhile | 23:38 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if it is right that I call Nokia Care and yell there or should I try to yell even higher? | 23:38 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, or he dombed himself ) | 23:39 |
| ZogG | DrGrov, what problem do you have? | 23:39 |
| DrGrov | ZogG: this one, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c17 | 23:39 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 23:39 |
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| luke-jr | I have a /sbin/preinit.orig backup... | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: wondering myself what to do about it | 23:40 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, figured out with meego acc? | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the 8830 MMI shit? nope | 23:40 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Perhaps a joint e-mail to send ? | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but as the bug seems to sit in modem firmware, I don't expect any better results with meego whatsoever | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: maybe talk to 'the council' - though not even they seem to have voice, see MyNokia SMS issue | 23:42 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i hope they work on driver as well and than gave them to maemo too =) | 23:42 |
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| luke-jr | anyone here managed to build a kernel for N900 that can boot PR1.2? | 23:43 |
| trip0 | kernel-power works | 23:44 |
| trip0 | afaik | 23:44 |
| luke-jr | I need someone who can build it ;0 | 23:44 |
| luke-jr | so they can make me a version w/ a custom cmdline | 23:44 |
| luke-jr | :) | 23:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | you know you can supply a cmdline wiht the flasher? | 23:46 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that didn't work on N810, and doesn't appear to on N900 either | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | it works on n900 | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | maybe a Flasher 3.0 bug then :/ | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: can you build PR1.2 kernels? :) | 23:47 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: no, too sleepy | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | :( | 23:48 |
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