IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-06-12

greenflycrashanddie: yeah that would be really slick00:01
greenflyone would imagine the framework is in place already for the contacts, so it would be a matter of extending it to also search a different database00:01
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MohammadAG51catorise can't be customized can it00:02
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meceMohammadAG51: nope00:03
SpeedEvilYes.00:03
SpeedEvilIt's open source.00:03
meceSpeedEvil, hee :00:03
meces/:/:P/00:03
infobotmece meant: SpeedEvil, hee :P00:03
meceI wonder if it's even possible to upload 230Mb in the browser...00:05
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MohammadAG51hmm, how do I check statistics of an app in the repos?00:08
SpeedEvilerr00:08
SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras00:08
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MohammadAG51I would've preferred numbers but... thanks :)00:09
SpeedEvilnote though, this is not the count of fmms users. There is only in fact one user, and there have been 250000 updates.00:09
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MohammadAG51lol00:09
MohammadAG51it doesn't count updates afaik :P00:10
SpeedEvilit does00:10
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SpeedEvilThere is a way to get at the raw data, but I've forgotten it00:10
SpeedEvilit's loaded by the page I think00:11
SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ - correlate the above with the update times00:11
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SpeedEvilAh yes00:13
SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo500:13
mecewoo cool.00:13
meceSpeedEvil, any way to get total?00:13
SpeedEviladd up the second element of the duples00:14
SpeedEvilerr00:14
* SpeedEvil fails.00:14
meceLOL00:14
SpeedEvilThat's not a sane derivation from tuple, is it.00:14
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mecelol00:14
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SpeedEvilAdding them all up tells you something - but disentangling what it tells you is hard.00:15
mecei wants total, dammit!00:16
SpeedEvilSome work I did earlier - I'd meant to write it up properly - indicated that for example - for fmms - more users were downloading from extras-testing than extras00:16
vzqany experiences with sygic navigation?00:16
meceeveryone uses testing..00:16
SpeedEvilUpdates screw those numbers, as it's hard to derive where a update comes from00:16
SpeedEvilerr00:16
* mece frakking hates adsl up speed00:16
SpeedEvilI mean what are new numbers.00:17
SpeedEvilmy DSL up speed is twice what my down is.00:17
SpeedEvilmy down is going at 224k ATM. :/00:17
SpeedEvilmece: Not quite true - for fmms - the numbers were looking more like a third of the people were getting a version from extras.00:17
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meceok..00:18
meceis libboost in extras?00:19
SpeedEvildunno00:20
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SpeedEvilWhen was pr1.2?00:21
SpeedEvilIt seems like forever now00:21
SpeedEvilmid may?00:21
pupnikno more single pupnik00:21
pupnikcan it be....00:21
SpeedEvilYou've invested in some korean cloning facility00:21
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, i think it's been a year00:21
SpeedEvil?00:21
MohammadAG51PR1.200:22
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meceLOL00:22
mecepupnik, please elaborate.00:22
GAN900pupnik, what?00:23
derfI finally flashed to PR1.2 yesterday.00:23
GAN900derf, no OTA00:24
GAN900?00:24
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DocScrutinizerPR1.2 OTA shipping, << in topic, set by DocScrutinizer 2010-05-2600:24
derfI couldn't even get 1.0.1 or whatever it was to go OTA.00:24
pupnikmet a nokia programmer guys.  she rocks in so many ways00:24
GAN900pupnik, lol00:24
GAN900derf, why not?00:25
GAN900Space or package conflicts?00:25
derfPackage conflicts, I assume.00:25
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derfI had plenty of space.00:25
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DocScrutinizerstill 1.1.1 here :-P00:26
ZogGhaha00:26
GAN900derf, apt usually helps with that.00:26
derfGAN900: It was pretty uninformative.00:26
derfAnd I didn't have the time to spend on it.00:26
GAN900derf, ah, I'm sorry, then. :P00:27
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: congrats00:27
derfIt's okay. I don't actually use the device much, so it's not like re-flashing was as big a headache as it would've been with the N8x0.00:28
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: less bs from me now :)00:30
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meceoh comeooon how long can it take?!?!?00:35
GAN900derf, that's too bad.00:36
derfReflashing itself doesn't take long. Setting everything up again afterwards takes a long time.00:36
* mece uploading 230Mb package to devel at ~80kb/s00:36
derfOh, haha.00:36
SpeedEvilCan't you tell the builder to do wget as part of the process somehow?00:37
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SpeedEvilStick it in a makefile00:37
derfGAN900: It's always the little things. Maemo Mapper worked great on the N8x0. Mappero is still unusable. There's probably alternatives, but it's easier to just keep using my N810.00:37
MohammadAG51or debian/rules00:37
meceSpeedEvil, no idea. I don't speak "builder"00:37
* MohammadAG51 does00:37
meceDEBIAN RULES!!!00:38
mece:)00:38
derfThe battery on my N900 also runs down in just a few hours, and I haven't had time to figure out why.00:38
derfIt seems to still do it after reflashing, too.00:38
vldcnstderf: same thing here.00:38
MohammadAG51maybe it's cause it's like that out of the box00:39
MohammadAG51i know it's a pain in the arse, but I modded a bullet belt into a battery belt00:39
mececraaaaaaap!00:39
MohammadAG51terrorism with a twist ^00:39
* mece forgot to add the bugtracker link00:39
MohammadAG51mece watcha packaging00:39
vldcnstBut I also suspect that the epoxy I used to secure the micro-usb is a tiny bit conductive, and I may have some leaks there.00:40
meceMohammadAG51, wesnoth data00:40
derfI mean, even with the battery half-dead, my N810 lasts for days if I don't put it on a network.00:40
derfThe N900, not so much.00:40
MohammadAG51riiiight00:40
MohammadAG51doesn't the N810 have a 1500 BL-4P?00:40
SpeedEvilMy n900 will last for over 4 days idle connected to the network00:40
derfBut I just use the N900 as a development platform, so I don't really have a problem leaving it plugged in all the time.00:40
meceMohammadAG51: thought I might push wesnoth and fheroes2 to testing, and see what happens :)00:41
derfSpeedEvil: Right. Mine's lucky to do 8 hours off the network, no bluetooth, no GPS, no SIM card at all.00:41
meceMohammadAG51: but kinda pointless when the whole bugtracker field is missing..00:41
MohammadAG51mece I'll send you a gift00:41
MohammadAG51an armed nuke00:41
meceMohammadAG51: umm?00:41
GAN900Ugh00:41
GAN900Restart to fix the stupid slowness00:41
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meceMohammadAG51: I'm a pacifist, so I'd rather just take legos. But thanks00:41
GAN900derf, that sounds wrong.00:42
* MohammadAG51 reboots himself00:42
SpeedEvilderf: in offline mode?00:42
derfI don't know what "offline mode" is.00:42
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mecederf, that sounds wrong. I get ~14 of normal use, always online00:43
SpeedEvilpress the power button00:43
SpeedEvilselect 'offline mode'00:43
SpeedEvilIt means 'turn all the transmitters off. Really'00:43
MohammadAG51mece, you're special00:43
meceMohammadAG51: I like to think so.00:43
MohammadAG51I use up e batteries a day00:43
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MohammadAG513 even00:44
derfSpeedEvil: Okay. I'll try it. But I certainly don't get anything like what mece claims.00:44
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SpeedEvilAnd yes - I'm seeing numbers like meces.00:44
derfI'm sure you are. I am not.00:44
SpeedEvil~24 hours mp3, ...00:44
SpeedEvilI'm not disbelieving you.00:44
derfI got as far as, "You should use powertop!" "apt-cache search powertop returns nothing," and then I gave up.00:47
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SpeedEvilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=49133300:48
SpeedEvildownlaod that zip00:48
SpeedEvilUnzip00:48
SpeedEvilput powertop in /usr/local/bin00:49
SpeedEvilchmod +x00:49
SpeedEvilenjoy00:49
SpeedEvilI'm in the middle of writing a shinier awesomer powertop, but it's not ready.00:49
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derfYeah, that poster is right. I never would have done all of that.00:50
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SpeedEvilIt used to be in the default distribution00:52
derfBut that would have been too useful?00:52
derfAnd, of course, there's no unzip on the device.00:53
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derfOh, nice, it segfaults, too.00:56
SpeedEvilunzip is in the tools repo00:56
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derfIn theory I have the tools repo enabled.00:56
derfdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle-update2/tools free non-free00:57
derfUnless that's not really supposed to be -update2?00:57
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meceunzip is in devel too I think.00:59
SpeedEvilhttp://qkwv.com/powertop.exe00:59
SpeedEvilthere - no need to unzip - that's the one I'm using ATM01:00
derfNo, I mean, I just unzipped it on the host and ssh'd it over.01:00
derfI was just bitching.01:00
derfmece: I'm really trying not to keep devel enabled... not just all the rootfs space it chews up, but it seemed to regularly break things.01:00
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derfLike, say, OTA updates. Or, oh hai, everything's now being built against PR1.2. What do you mean 1.2's not out yet? That's not our problem.01:01
mecederf, heh yeah.01:01
mecederf, then again flashing takes 2 minutes01:01
derfAs I said, flashing is not the hard part.01:01
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meceok trying wesnoth-data again. man I hope it works.01:03
meceaw fuck... according to my math-fu it should take almost an hour!01:04
ArkenoiHave you ever seen "fatal" cellular network errors? Ones that prevent phone from even _trying_ to estabilish data connection until you force it to re-register? Why the F phones grant this bullshit instead of ignoring it? n900 included. Seen that on busy networks quite frequently01:04
meceanyone feel like helping me setup the other method of upping to extras?01:04
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SpeedEvilpost x-fade a DVD?01:07
mece?01:07
SpeedEvil the other method of upping to extras?01:07
* satmd has01:07
satmdbut not on the tablets01:07
* satmd does building security01:08
satmdit sucked when the phone didn't ring on an incident01:08
mecequestion, if I do scp from within scratchbox, I need to generate ssh key inside scratchbox?01:08
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satmdmece: keys can be generated anywhere01:08
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satmdthey just need to be copied to the appropiate places01:08
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crashanddiethis is just fucking sick. This woman needs to be put down: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6584WO2010060901:13
tripzeroheh, i'm glad that didn't load... i saw the title and decided to close the window :P01:14
mecein the public key field in garage account maintenance, should the words ssh-rsa be included?01:16
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lcukx200evening #maemo \o01:18
lbto/01:18
satmdcrashanddie: best to deal with, not giving her the attention that motivates her :P01:19
mecelcukx200, hell-o01:20
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meceGAaaaHH01:25
mecePermission denied (publickey). Lost connection. <- makes me wanna do drugs.01:25
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lcukx200hiya mece01:29
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mecehey.01:29
mecewhat's x200?01:29
lcukx200lenovo laptop01:30
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Macerrealized that i can survive with 2 desktops01:31
luke-jrAndetigo Subyrame Nikohuvy Lapofyton01:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: now you need a new passphrase :-P01:33
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: that would be a terrible passphrase01:33
meceLOL01:33
lcukx200im thinking he forgot his meds01:33
luke-jrn00bs01:33
DocScrutinizerhope they are strong enough01:33
luke-jran de ti go su by ra me ni ko hu vy la po fy ton01:34
luke-jrthe digits :p01:34
DocScrutinizer*cough*01:34
DocScrutinizerwait, there's a medical term for that...01:35
luke-jrI'm studying -.-01:35
DocScrutinizerthere's even a Dr.House about it ;-D01:35
meceso.. can someone tell me how I run firefox on a remote computer that I have ssh access to? that's doable right. on linux.01:35
luke-jrhttp://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/1099109001:36
DocScrutinizeror was it Monk?01:36
luke-jrmece: ssh -X remotecomputer firefox01:36
meceluke-jr, ok thanks. will try that.01:36
luke-jrmece: unless you want it to appear on the local display01:36
luke-jrin that case, you need to be logged in locally, ssh, and run: DISPLAY=:0 firefox &01:37
luke-jrassuming your local display is :001:37
meceluke-jr, umm..01:37
nextimemece : you need also X11Forwarding enabled on the ssh server side01:37
meceok I have no idea.01:37
meceso what did the first one do?01:37
luke-jrmece: option A, more common, is to run the app on RemoteHost while it displays on the computer you connect from01:37
meceI need to see use firefox on the other computer, that is physically far away.01:37
luke-jrso Firefox would be running on RemoteHost, but you would see the window in front on you01:38
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lcukx200mece, get bonoculars01:38
lcukx200and a long stick to operate the keyboard01:38
meceI want to upload via firefox from the remote computer (which has super fast internet)01:38
luke-jroption B, Firefox both runs remotely, and displays on the monitor connected to the remote machine01:38
mecelcukx200, it's 10 km01:38
luke-jrmece: ok, go with ssh -X then01:38
lcukx200mece, \sbinoculars\telescope\01:38
luke-jrunless you want to physically go to the other computer to use it01:38
lcukx200or whatever the syntax is01:38
nextimelcukx200 : maybe a good meade or celestron 14" telescope is better :)01:38
luke-jrlcukx200: fail01:39
lcukx200not really luke-jr at least you recognised what i was trying to do :p01:39
mecehmm.. nothing much is happening..01:40
luke-jrhttp://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/1099109001:40
luke-jrstudy tonal with me01:40
luke-jr:D01:40
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lcukx200i found it already on wikipedia01:40
jperez26hey eveyrone01:41
jperez26quick question01:41
jperez26i wanted to know about starup scripts01:41
derfSpeedEvil: Total wakeups: 2803, 93.4/s.01:41
jperez26*startup01:41
derfThat seems like an awful lot for a device in Offline Mode doing nothing but running powertop.01:41
lcukx200derf whats taking the time01:42
derftick_nohz_restart_sched_tick (tick_sched_timer)01:43
luke-jrlcukx200: really? how?01:43
jperez26looking to have the x composition manager run at startup01:43
derfWhich is, you know, not really informative.01:43
luke-jrI didn't think I gave enough info to find it on wikipedia XD01:43
lcukx200luke-jr, your first delirium came up empty, but your second managed to find something relating to the author01:43
lcukx200but it offered alternative suggestions on the spelling01:44
luke-jraha01:44
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* DocScrutinizer defines this chan to be esperanto-only for lcuk01:46
DocScrutinizererr luke-jr01:46
DocScrutinizeronly alternative allowed: inuktitut01:47
derfIf I unplug the device, it goes down to 708, or 23.6/s.01:47
derfWhich is still an awful lot.01:47
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: but please inuktitut on base16 then01:48
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ?01:50
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DocScrutinizer'?' % 16 != 0; invalid char! XP01:52
satmdXP's fault :p01:53
meceaw fuck.. ok so this -X think is not working. I'll just use elinks01:58
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DocScrutinizerwget?02:00
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DocScrutinizerImean in the end odds are your remote browser on that lighning fast box also delegates to wget for any download. So why not use it directly?02:03
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* vldcnst dances around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuFn0RPgaE02:10
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luke-jrmece: maybe try -Y02:15
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meceluke-jr, what does -Y do?02:18
meceusing lynx, seems to work. I think. Atleast it's waiting for a respons at the upload dialogue.. takes a while for it to upload 230Mb I suppose, even if it is 100Mbps02:19
meceis there a good way to see if there is traffic on the server?02:19
luke-jrmece: -X, but less secure02:20
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satmdiirc it omits the cookie part of remote x1102:22
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luke-jrsatmd: I think you recall wrong02:27
luke-jrIIRC merely -X filters the protocol stream to known "safe" things02:27
luke-jrso you shouldn't have a remote system trying to take over your WM and such02:28
satmdhm02:28
satmdyeah, probably02:28
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mece2:30 in the morning. damn. I need to get up in about 5 hours. Sigh.02:28
meceheey..02:29
mece-Y worked!02:29
mecethanks luke-jr02:30
meceok let's see how fast this computer can send 230Mb to maemo.org..02:31
mecethe problem might also have been that there was an instance of firefox running.02:31
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meceupload error, no repository selected. Wtf?02:32
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mecehmm wasn't a very long time. I think there is a size limit. Fine. I give up.02:33
mecegood night.02:33
meceif I could get that stupid gaddamn ssh key thing to work it would be soooo easy.02:33
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DocScrutinizerznc anybody?03:07
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woglindejo03:20
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DocScrutinizerwoglinde: [464] Invalid Password Invalid03:22
DocScrutinizerwhat is the correct way to connect to znc?03:23
woglindewhat?03:23
woglindewhat is zbc?03:23
woglindeups znc03:23
DocScrutinizerooh, thought your "jo" was an answer to my query03:24
woglindelol03:24
woglindeno03:24
woglindewhich query btw.?03:24
DocScrutinizer[2010-06-12 02:07:11] <DocScrutinizer> znc anybody?03:24
woglindewasnt here at this stage03:25
DocScrutinizernvm03:25
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DocScrutinizer(irc bouncer - just if you're curious)03:26
woglindehm oh03:26
woglindeI dont use the stuff03:26
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flailingmonkeyhi04:19
DocScrutinizer51lo04:19
DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: wazzup?04:21
DocScrutinizer51~status04:23
infobotSince Fri Jun 11 13:08:26 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 50 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 38 commands.  I have been awake for 12h 15m 18s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids.  I'm using about 19464 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1316.63/75.18 child 0.13/0.0904:23
flailingmonkeygoing to make a wiki page to collect some possible ways we might package and release updates to software that falls under the "firmware" releases04:24
flailingmonkeydid mece get that filemanager package working?04:25
DocScrutinizer51dunno04:26
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Termanagood morning04:31
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DocScrutinizer51mo04:39
CutMeOwnThroatno morons at all?04:42
DocScrutinizermoron-ing04:42
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sciboticHi, I've been out of the loop for a while and I was wondering what the recommended firmware for n800 users is?05:26
sciboticI got a mobile phone I want to tether too and I figure I might as well take advantage of the larger screen for browsing.05:26
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sciboticAlso most stable browser?05:31
Milhousehttp://maemo.org/news/ broken?05:32
Milhouseblank page here in FF and Opera05:32
vldcnstMilhouse: negative05:32
Milhousehow odd05:33
luke-jrscibotic: N800 is pretty dead IMO :)05:33
luke-jrscibotic: but Gentoo does run on it05:34
Milhousejust tried it on FF Ubuntu (diff machine, obviously) and same - what is my ISP up to...05:34
luke-jrMilhouse: Maemo is dead, too05:34
Milhouseok, so you have problems too?05:35
luke-jrit's a blank page05:35
luke-jrwhat more do you want from a dead project?05:35
luke-jrespecially a news URI05:35
Milhousei can access maemo.org, for me it's only maemo.org/news/ that is blank05:35
luke-jrnews implies new05:36
Milhousewell maybe a blank news page is an accurate reflection... :)05:36
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sciboticluke-jr, So all about the MeeGo train then?05:46
sciboticaboard*05:46
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GAN900Ugh, lost data connection again.06:10
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: moinmoin06:12
DocScrutinizerGAN900: actually you missed not a bit06:12
GAN900Since about 4 hours ago?06:13
DocScrutinizerGAN900: seems all the world switched focus to some silly round object06:13
GAN900Baseball? :D06:13
DocScrutinizer~50 lines since 4h ago06:13
* GAN900 watched the Marlins beat the Ray 14-9 thanks to our Ace pitcher having a . . . rough night.06:14
GAN900Yeesh06:14
DocScrutinizeranyway there's livelogs ;-D06:14
GAN900Any reply on the tracking info?06:14
DocScrutinizernope06:14
GAN900There's scrollback on my Mac Pro in the studio, I'm just too lazy to go out there.06:14
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DocScrutinizermanaged to crank up znc06:15
shorterhey06:15
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer206:15
shorteris it possible to plug a usb flash drive into a n900?06:16
DocScrutinizerlol06:16
shorterlike flash drive -> conversion cable -> small usb port06:16
shorterthat would be mad l33t06:16
DocScrutinizerhttp://h-e-n.garage.maemo.org  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post69611506:17
SpeedEvilshorter: not yet06:17
DocScrutinizerbut soonish06:17
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5222706:18
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shorterwow, impressive06:19
DocScrutinizeryeah - lol06:20
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shorterI wonder if a usb mouse could wor06:20
shorterk06:20
DocScrutinizersure06:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51 said it has issues with resolution06:21
DocScrutinizerfrom one end of screen to the other in 2mm06:21
DocScrutinizerprobably needs some tweaking in xorg.conf [input]06:21
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shorterthe maemo community is great06:22
shorterI guess that's FOSS!06:23
DocScrutinizerdo you think I'd do anything else?06:23
shorterwith... your time/06:24
shorterindeed, we are just organisms falling into our respective niches06:25
DocScrutinizerwell, I'm notorious for pushing FOSS, so why would I do different when developing hostmode?06:25
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: aiui it should be trivial to extract a bzImage from a .deb, and flash that via usb?06:31
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luke-jrscibotic: nah06:34
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SpeedEvilfairly, yes06:40
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sciboticDoes anyone here know what a "chunk" is when using GPRS/Mobile internet?06:53
SpeedEvilin what context?06:54
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sciboticBilling, they say they bill per a 20kb chunk. Which usually means that if you only down 1kb, it's still going to be charge as 20kb down.06:55
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sciboticMy question is, if I initiate the connection and I download 1kb, then download another 2kb a few seconds later, is that still part of the same "chunk" or are they seperate 20kb chunks?06:56
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SpeedEvilIt varies per operator06:57
sciboticWell fuck. :/06:57
sciboticIt's an incredibly vague term to me, so I'm not sure how to interpret it.06:57
Arkenoisome even count every several minutes, so if you have almost no data flow, you are still being billed for several "minimal chunks"07:03
SpeedEvilPhone them.07:06
SpeedEvilAsk.07:06
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sciboticCan't phone them, they have a distinct lack of customer support.07:20
sciboticOne of those super cheap garage companies that are selling what the carrier offers at as close to wholesale as they can make a profit off by keeping their running costs ridiculously low.07:20
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shorterwhy doesn't the n900 re-orientate the screen like many other phones when turned upright/sideways?07:22
shorterlike in firefox?07:22
SpeedEvilSome apps do.07:22
shorterfennec*07:22
shorteroh, I haven't used many yet I guess - I just mean the default ones07:23
shorterjust expected it to be standard for most things07:23
shorteris it difficult/are they waiting to add more support for accelerometer integration?07:24
SpeedEvilIt's a UI thing more. Writing two UIs07:25
microlithis there an incompatibility between PyQt and pynotify?07:27
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Macerblah07:36
DocAvalancheexactly07:40
sciboticThank you for the help, I'll probably monitor my usage closely for the first week and see what turns up on the bill.07:42
pupnikgrowing food with n900 LEDs?07:44
DocAvalanchehehe07:44
DocAvalanchen807:45
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Macerhahaha07:51
Macerpupnik: i could see it now.. someone growing marijuana with an n90007:52
Macer"Is there an iphone app for that bitch?!"07:52
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pupnikMacer: yes flashlight app07:53
Macerhaha07:53
Macerpupnik: does iphone have an led cam flash?07:53
pupnikhmm07:53
Maceris that the new feature added to this years model?07:54
Macerlike the compass?07:54
Macer:)07:54
Maceri loved the commercial "now with video"07:55
Macerwelcome to 199907:55
Macerblah.. just something for the cattle07:55
SpeedEvilhttp://qkwv.com/zombeef.jpg Macer07:56
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Macerhahahaha08:00
Macerlooks more like08:00
Macercows of the damned08:00
Macerthan zombies08:00
Macerbbl08:00
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RST38h<yawn>08:52
ds3hmmmm08:52
luke-jrknow any cheap (under $100) netbooks?08:54
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ds3try punching holes in a copy of websters? :D08:54
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luke-jrds3: wtf?08:55
ds3the holes should turn that book into a net08:55
luke-jr...08:55
pupnikgpodder on n810 takes most cpu just to download a file08:57
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pupnikok that isnt true, but it is over 25 pct08:59
ds3btw, anyone seen weirdness where the N900 thinks it is still connected to a WiFi AP even though the WiFi is miles away and it has been hours?08:59
Stskeepsyes, but did you upgrade to pr1.2?08:59
luke-jrStskeeps: any ideas? :P08:59
ds3not yet, no time to backup 16G08:59
ds3and no time to figure out how to work the flasher with the N90008:59
Stskeepsluke-jr: ben nanonote?08:59
Stskeepsor something08:59
ds3now if there was a really a peice meal OTA version....09:00
luke-jrStskeeps: something that can browse the net and do video chat :p09:00
Stskeepsluke-jr: n900 ;p09:00
luke-jrStskeeps: that's far far from cheap09:00
Stskeepsluke-jr: considering the equipment in it .. it's fairly cheap :P09:02
luke-jrnot really... <.<09:02
luke-jrand it's not a netbook in any case09:02
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ds3does PR1.2 also solve the battery life issue?09:03
Stskeepsluke-jr: i use it same way i'd use a netbook :P09:04
Stskeepsreplaces my laptop quite often09:04
luke-jrStskeeps: this is to be a lone computer09:04
luke-jras in, no other computers for the person to use :p09:04
ds3if it wasn't for the crappy USB setup, the N900 works fine as a lone computer09:05
luke-jrds3: you forget super-tiny screen and keyboard09:05
ds3luke-jr: that doesn't bother me09:06
ds3about the only complaint with they screen is the smudging09:06
ds3and the TV out takes care of the situations where I need to share stuf09:06
ds3stuff09:06
luke-jrheh, TV out is only useful with a TV/monitor ;)09:07
ds3or a projector09:07
luke-jrsure, but that's even MORE expensive09:07
pupnikhdmi out will be a sweet upgrade09:07
ds3eh?09:07
ds3I paid $80 for mine09:07
pupnikbut tv out is nice09:07
Surfads3, and cheapest tv costs how much?09:08
luke-jr$80 for a projector? what?09:08
Surfads3, 1$?09:08
luke-jrlast I checked they were thousands09:08
ds3yes, $80 for a battery powered one09:08
luke-jrand hundreds for bulbs09:08
ds3Surfa: too heavy09:08
Surfads3, i thought price was the question here09:08
ds3I want portability and the N900 gives me that... if only it did Host + charging like the N800...09:09
ds3the N900 is fast enough to play DVDs if it can only have a DVD drive hookedup09:09
DocAvalancheds3: stay cool man09:10
DocAvalanchehostmode with charging coming soon09:10
luke-jryeah, the question is a netbook for under $100, not a display for under $100 :p09:10
ds3DocAvalanche: but no charging09:10
DocAvalancheuh?09:11
ds3I saw sarahn's patches09:11
DocAvalancheso?09:11
ds3it has a side effect of preventing charging09:11
DocAvalancheheh, nice find. Guess why we rework the kernel09:12
ds3just one more jack is all it would have cost to get OTG + charging09:12
DocAvalancheWE DON'T NEED additional jack09:13
DocAvalanchehostmode with charging coming soon09:13
DocAvalanchewhich part of that didn't get thru?09:13
ds3okay09:13
ds3deliver it =)09:13
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RST38h"The Pentagon is desperately seeking the 'cooperation' of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in order to stop him from releasing over 250,000 pages of confidential foreign policy documents."09:20
RST38hGets better daily09:20
luke-jr...09:20
luke-jrshouldn't foreign policy be public anyway?09:20
Surfano?09:21
RST38hit should be foreign.09:21
luke-jrhaha09:21
luke-jrwhere does Julian live?09:21
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luke-jrthey don't have copyright there?09:21
SurfaJulian Paul Assange is an Australian journalist09:21
Surfa...09:21
pupnikhe is still locked-up isnt he?09:21
pupnikoh founder09:21
RST38hHe lives in .AU. Not a good place to live in THIS kind of sense09:21
luke-jrso why doesn't the Pentagon just threaten him with copyright infringement?09:22
RST38hBecause this is not a copyight infringeent?09:22
luke-jrno?09:22
luke-jrhow isn't it?09:22
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pupnikjust listening to an interview with Daniel Ellsberg on the subject09:22
luke-jrhe's copying their documents...09:23
RST38hBut given that he is in AU, they will find something to blame him for09:23
RST38hEither he has not paid taxes, or got child pornography, or something else. Never been a problem.09:23
pupnikhttp://antiwar.com/radio/2010/06/09/daniel-ellsberg-8/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AntiwarRadio+%28Antiwar+Radio%2909:23
luke-jrRST38h: why isn't it copyright infringemnet?09:24
RST38hluke: Because copyright infringement has to be proven?09:24
luke-jr...09:24
pupnikgovt doesnt have copyright on war crimes09:25
RST38hAnd that requires examination of the documents? And attribution to a copyright holder?09:25
Surfaeven that it was.. copyright infringements may not have enough scale of punishment for this :)09:25
luke-jrif he publishes Pentagon documents, that he admits are the Pentagon's documents, and he admits he doesn't have permission to publish them, hasn't he admitted to copyright infringement?09:25
pupnikthere is no word for 'whistleblower' in german...09:25
* RST38h isn't sure why luke-jr is so bent on copyright infringements09:25
luke-jrRST38h: it's very clearly copyright infringement...09:26
Surfatotally unrelated this whole copyright discussion09:26
Stskeepscan a state claim copyright on their documents? ;)09:26
RST38hThere are, of course, other methods to silence a whistleblower. Way more reliable.09:26
luke-jrStskeeps: I suppose that would be a good question XD09:26
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RST38hpupnik: I am sure Germans never leak documents. That, after all, would violate a law!09:27
pupnikStskeeps: not in usa, afaik09:28
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Termana<luke-jr> they don't have copyright there? <-- you have to be joking right. We're about to have mandatory internet filters and you have to ask weather we have copyright :P10:24
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xkr47-DIhi, can somebody tell me what they have in /var/run/resolv.conf ?10:36
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xkr47-DIis it "nameserver 127.0.0.1" or something else ?10:36
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arachnistxkr47-DI: nothing else10:39
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xkr47-DIand, is /etc/resolv.conf a symling to somewhere or a plain file ?10:47
pupnikwhat OS10:49
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MohammadAG51-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           21 Feb 22 09:42 /etc/resolv.conf10:52
MohammadAG51it's a file10:52
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RST38bissomebody please /msg rst38bis test11:23
jaskatest messaged11:24
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dr34manybody got a working fish module yet for xchat on n900 ?11:24
cure`dunno, but it could use some plugins indeed11:25
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cure`media playing/sysinfo, the usual, looked around a few days ago but couldn't find anything11:26
dr34myup maybe somebody can compile it for maemo ;p11:27
cure`i couldn't even find much linux python xchat stuff for anything11:29
cure`it must be out there tho11:29
pupnikirssi could use an audible bell :(11:32
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Stskeepswow, i'm seeing actual constructive discussion on tmo11:51
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redeemanhello, can someone tell me which file holds the configuration of the wifi stuff? i suspect something has gone wrong there12:39
FauxFauxIt's in gconf.  Ho ho ho.12:40
redeemandamn gconf12:41
MohammadAG51lol12:42
redeemanwell i really dont like it :)12:42
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FauxFauxgconf the denier of information services.12:43
MohammadAG51neither do I12:44
redeemanah well it seems to not be the n900 that fucks, seems my laptop cant find it either now :)12:45
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kirmaon http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor : "The main camera is a ET8EK8 by Toshiba. The datasheet for this part is not publicly available." ... and: http://www.gitorious.org/omap3camera/pages/Home : "The et8ek8 sensor driver datasheet is available at http://retiisi.dyndns.org/~sakke/foo/SMIA95_AF_camera%20module_APL_090511.doc" ... might someone update the wiki, as I can't?13:05
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aksheyHi, I heard that recent maemo5 update has added support for front camera also. Is that true?13:06
kirmadepends on your definition of "support"13:06
MohammadAG51Skype and Google Video13:06
MohammadAG51why would they lie about it :P13:06
kirmait works. tried with gstreamer just half an hour ago.13:06
kirmabut sensitivity us awful13:07
kirmais13:07
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aksheykirma and MohammadAG51,  How can I update it? I can't see any updates from application manager. I am using the firmware for India.13:10
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lcukx200akshey, the linux drivers for the camera have been there from day113:11
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MohammadAG51akshey, no idea about Indian fw13:11
MohammadAG51but I thought that doesn't have skype13:11
MohammadAG51aptitude is a b**** to compile13:11
lcukx200mornin moh13:12
MohammadAG51morning lcukx20013:12
MiXu-There isn't an application that you could use to operate the front camera for pictures etc. It's only for video calls or 3rd party apps.13:12
aksheylcukx200: I am talking not talking about the 5mp camera. I am talking about the camera for vdo conferencing13:12
lcukx200MiXu-, ?13:12
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MiXu-lcukx200: Hm=13:13
MiXu-?13:13
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RST38hYou can operate front camera for pictures13:13
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RST38hIf you really need to13:13
RST38hBoth cameras are available as standard Video4Linux devices13:13
lcukx200MiXu-, /dev/video013:13
lcukx200MiXu-, /dev/video113:13
RST38hand hello, lcuk13:14
lcukx200install healthcheck, it looks at them :D13:14
lcukx200hiya RST38h13:14
MiXu-lcukx200, RST38h: That's not usable for 90% of people.13:14
aksheyMiXu-: how can I test if it is working for vdo conferencing?13:14
MiXu-I was talking about an app.13:14
MiXu-akshey: Make a video call :)13:14
lbtduh13:14
lcukx200MiXu-, neither is skydiving, but does not mean it doesnt exist13:14
RST38hscrew 90% of people13:14
MiXu-lcukx200: I didn't say it's not possible. I just said there isn't an app (by default) that would do it.13:15
MiXu-3rd party stuff is another story as I said.13:15
lcukx200perhaps a filesystem branch for the 10% of users should be made13:15
aksheyMiXu-: How do i make a video call? Cant see any such option :(13:15
MiXu-I haven't tried it. But if you make a gtalk voip call there should be an option to enable video afaik.13:16
LiraNunaakshey, you need skype or google talk13:16
lbtakshey: do you have PR1.2?13:16
LiraNunaand the other side should have a video camera as well13:16
MiXu-yep13:16
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aksheylbt: PR ?13:17
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LiraNunapublic release13:17
lbtlatest update to Maemo13:17
RST38hlbt: he does not13:17
aksheyI installed this one: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin13:17
MiXu-Yeah, that's PR1.213:17
MohammadAG51Indian version though, not the same one we have13:18
lbtah... may make a difference13:18
aksheyWhile using US version it was asking me to update but when I installed Indian one, it is not asking13:19
MohammadAG51cool, another step forward in aptitude compilation13:19
MiXu-I'd be surprised if video calls were missing from the indian version13:19
MohammadAG51skype's missing :P13:19
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MiXu-Oh :o13:19
MiXu-But why :o13:20
MohammadAG51f*** yes!13:20
MohammadAG51aptitude compiled13:20
MohammadAG51err, Segmentation Fault13:20
MohammadAG51xDD13:21
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lbtMohammadAG51: :)13:21
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lcukx200MohammadAG51, nice13:22
RST38hOk, I have uploaded the latest HydroCarbon theme to the Extras-Devel13:22
RST38hGive it a try.13:22
MohammadAG51qemu segfaulted btw, aptitude worked :P13:22
lcukx200RST38h, this hydrocarbon theme does not create plumes on surrounding desktops does it?13:23
* lcukx200 writes a top-kill theme13:23
MohammadAG51whatever happened to live-wp development13:23
* SpeedEvil pumps golf-balls into lcukx200.13:23
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: see xsnow.13:23
lcukx200SpeedEvil, arghhhh13:24
lcukx200the methane escaping from me is all ummm natural gas13:24
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MohammadAG51who needs documentation when docpurge purges it13:24
* MohammadAG51 strips debian/rules13:24
lcukx200MohammadAG51, dont!13:25
MohammadAG51Already did13:25
lcukx200clearing off the documentation makes a ballache later13:25
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lcukx200when someone has to figure out how to turn it back on again ;)13:26
RST38hlcuk: No, although it has managed to drive joppu mad13:27
MohammadAG51lcukx200, oh, I just commented it out anyways :P13:27
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MohammadAG51hmm13:29
MohammadAG51it uses qt313:29
* MohammadAG51 comments out13:29
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chadiHello. I have downloaded and set up scratchbox, now I downloaded the source code of an app (QtIrreco) inside scratchbox, extracted, then "make". I get the following:13:30
chadimake: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-gles2/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.13:30
MohammadAG51configure it first13:31
MohammadAG51qmake I guess13:31
chadiis qmake a command?13:32
chadibash: qmake: command not found13:32
LiraNunachadi, you need the Qt dev kit13:33
LiraNunaoh, wait - scratchbox13:33
chadiyea, and there is a pro file.13:34
chadido I need qt4-dev?13:35
chadilibqt4-dev that is13:36
MohammadAG51just do a dpkg-buildpackage -b and see what packages it needs13:36
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chadiexactly: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev13:36
chadi:)13:36
lcukx200"apt-get build-dep qtirreco"  should just work?13:36
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lcukx200with a bit of instally bit13:37
chadiDownloading libqt4-dev right now, let's see if it helps :)13:37
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MohammadAG51lcukx200, well, build depends can be more than depends :)13:38
MohammadAG51i.e -dev packages, and the such13:38
MohammadAG51compiling cwidget13:38
lcukx200course MohammadAG5113:38
MohammadAG51Might get this into -devel after all13:38
lcukx200thats what the build-dep bit is for13:38
MohammadAG51lcukx200, well, those packages don't install by installing the package itself13:39
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MohammadAG51don't you just love it when text scrolls while compiling13:39
lcukx200? MohammadAG5113:40
lcukx200dont worry13:41
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chadiare pyton apps also developed in scrathbox or that is not neccesary?13:42
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chadiMohammadAG51, dpkg-buildpackage -b does a make too in case no problems found?13:54
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MohammadAG\o/ http://i46.tinypic.com/96aoht.jpg13:58
psycho_oreosaptitude14:00
psycho_oreoslol14:00
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chadiMohammadAG, what's after fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b?14:02
MohammadAGchadi, depends on what you're doing14:02
chadii wanna launch it :D14:02
MohammadAGo.O14:03
MohammadAGwhy not just install qtirreco from the repos...14:03
chadiI have a problem that I am trying to debug, for now I wanna compile the source code as it is, later I'll modify it14:03
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pupnikit should be in the directory in binary form14:05
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chadibut make did nto work14:06
MohammadAGdid dpkg-buildpackage work?14:06
chadiyeah, but it gave an optifying error at the end14:06
MohammadAGand you can't launch GUIs in the ARMEL target14:06
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chadidpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}14:07
chadimaemo-optify14:07
chadimake: maemo-optify: Command not found14:07
chadimake: *** [binary-arch] Error 12714:07
chadifine, let me go in x8614:07
MohammadAGapt-get install maemo-optify14:07
chadicouldn't find package14:08
MohammadAGRiiight... did you add -devel?14:08
MohammadAGaptitude, which section would it be more sutiable in, user/utilities or user/system?14:08
chadinope14:08
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chadiutilities i'd say14:09
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pupnikopenpandora user can set lcd refresh to 50/ or 60 hz14:12
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mordkuusiokolojahanne, vaihtasi torxeihin14:20
mordeek. sorry wron chan14:20
mordwrong*14:20
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Treibholzdamn! The dependencies in the SDK are broken and I cannot install it...14:23
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MohammadAG:/14:38
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MohammadAGI have to wait two imports to upload a damn package14:38
MohammadAGpackage depends on a dependency, which depends on another one14:38
MohammadAGlol crashanddie (football post)14:39
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chadiI tried installing qtirreco from the repos, it worked by lirc did not installing, saying:15:13
chadidpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb (--unpack): | error creating pipe `./dev/lircm': Permission denied | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)15:13
chadiErrors were encountered while processing: | /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)15:13
chadiit worked but* lirc did not install*15:14
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MohammadAGyou forgot fakeroot15:16
Treibholzis it possible, the dependencies in the SDK are totally messed up?15:17
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chadiMohammadAG, no I did not15:19
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: around?15:20
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chadiMohammadAG, it even refuses to install in xephyr15:21
MohammadAGuse the chroot terminal15:21
MohammadAG(scratchbox)15:21
crashanddieI need some names/ideas for something: I have a set-top-box that I want to hide, I also have a couple of playstations that I want to hide. Playstation uses bluetooth so no need to have line of sight, but the set-top-box uses IR remote, so I need to have line of sight or some IR transmitter that I could build into the drawer where everything will be in15:21
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GAN900crashanddie, they sell IR retransmitters.15:22
crashanddieyeah, names, google isn't helping at the moment15:22
yanucrashanddie: there are IR-recievers that passtrough the signal back to ir15:23
RST38hAnyone knows how I can enable coredumps in Maemo5?15:25
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crashanddieyanu: do you have a name?15:26
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id2380dnasidHi?15:27
ecksuncrashanddie, there is a harmony remote that have a rf to ir converter15:27
GAN900crash15:27
GAN900crashanddie, I know smarthome.com has some listed.15:27
crashanddieecksun: yeah, don't want that15:27
ecksuncrashanddie, it would solve your problem though ;)15:28
crashanddieecksun: not likely. Not a standard remote and not supported by universal remote controls15:28
ecksunI know where you can by some in sweden, however i dont know how that willl help you15:28
ecksunharmony supports everything15:28
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ecksunotherwise you can just ask them to add the support and they will do it15:29
ecksunhttp://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=147601748 doesnt help you, does it?15:29
yanucrashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=infrared+repeater+remote+control+vcr&btnG=Google+Search15:30
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ecksuncrashanddie, how about  Digiality IR Bender15:31
RST38hAnyone?15:31
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Treibholzhttp://tmp.uxix.de/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log15:35
Treibholzwhat am I doing wrong?15:35
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benno2Hi, I'm trying to make an icon for a maemo app but the icon  does not appear in the application list. I followed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application   any idea how to make it work? thanks15:36
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zaheerm-lpluke-jr, not when it is based on false pretenses15:47
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zaheerm-lpluke-jr, sorry, replying to something from hours ago15:47
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ZogGвщ ш туув ещ гьщгте ыщьурщцук ьшскщЫв иуащку ефлштп ше щге( еру зрщту шы щт)15:49
ZogGdamn15:49
ZogGdo i need to umount mocrosd before taking it out if the phone is on?15:50
RST38hthat has been unicode, apparently...15:50
RST38hyes, you do.15:50
ZogGRST38h what is the mount point15:50
ZogGand it is unicode but still jebrish as i tried to type in english15:51
ZogGjust wrong layout =)15:51
RST38h  /media/mmc1 ?15:51
ZogGit wasn't mounted =)15:52
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MiXu-You don't need to unmount manually15:53
MiXu-It gets unmounted if you remove the back cover15:53
MiXu-There's a magnet + a sensor that detects when the cover is removed15:54
kW_Hello! Is there some documentation how to completely re-build a N900 Maemo distribution as it is preinstalled? I've already compiled the kernel, but how do I create userspace-images?15:54
MiXu-What is it you're trying to achieve?15:54
kW_MiXu-: my objective is an encrypted root file system15:55
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MiXu-Ah. Can't help with that then. :)15:55
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kW_MiXu-: which effectively means that I'll have two maemo userspace instances, one for booting and entering the passphrase, and the other one which is actually encrypted15:55
kW_MiXu-: I did this before with openmoko, it is not really difficult15:56
MiXu-Isn't it enough if you encrypt all user data? :)15:56
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kW_MiXu-: well, if it is ensured that "all user data" lies within a certain directory in the VFS directory tree?15:57
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MiXu-Not sure about that15:57
kW_MiXu-: typically, files are written here and there (e.g. some configuration changes are reflected in /etc, some log files are stored in /var or /var/log ...)15:57
kW_I have to measure the speed difference, though. If it is too slow, then I may do the work and try to find out all places which are modified.15:58
MiXu-Most user data is under /home15:59
kW_But nevertheless, I need to be able to rebuild the image (or a comparable image) as it is originally installed in N900 devices you buy.15:59
MiXu-There's a 2GB partition that's mounted as /home which should hold all contacts, sms, etc.15:59
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kW_Well, I do see this.16:01
kW_it is a good starting point16:02
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GAN900crashanddie, steadicam is here.16:03
crashanddiewhich one?16:03
GAN900crashanddie, dunno, didn't order it.16:05
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Lazy^Hello, can someone post me link to wiki to instructions how to tell apt-get to use different cache. Since i cant upgrade to 1.2 since low diskspace.. and i have only 1 app installed16:06
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crashanddieGAN900: going to have fun with it?16:08
felipecX-Fade: did the PR1.x dependency bug get fixed?16:08
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GAN900crashanddie, hell yes.16:10
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clasificadohi all16:10
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crashanddieGAN900: you'll have to show me some footage16:10
crashanddieGAN900: secure it in your car and drive around :P16:11
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SpeedEvilLazy^: Maybe it's linked from16:11
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SpeedEvil~flashing16:11
infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware16:11
crashanddieGAN900: attach it on the backseat, and give it a spin, then go driving, enjoy 360 degree views16:11
clasificadohi all16:11
MohammadAG51hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices?16:11
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Sounds unlikely.16:11
MohammadAG51s/?/ right?/16:12
infobotMohammadAG51 meant: hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices right?16:12
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Still sounds unlikely.16:12
MohammadAG51k, i'll set it to armel only16:12
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clasificadohi guys, what are you doing? im trying to compile the hid-apple module but im a noob with that, so its uber-fun :P16:15
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crashanddielol... "Wireless external DVD burner. USB lead included"16:17
Lazy^SpeedEvil: hehe, not flashing.. i mean upgrading =) Someone sayed that there is way to give more cache-space for apt16:17
crashanddieLazy^: "said"16:17
RST38hAnyone used OpenGLES?16:17
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Lazy^"said" ;)16:18
clasificadoOpenGLES, not yet. too much math16:18
MohammadAGcrashanddie, grammar nazi16:20
crashanddieMohammadAG: I thought you'd be one to like nazis16:21
MohammadAGcrashanddie, did I complain?16:21
crashanddie:P16:21
crashanddie(I think we just shocked the hell out of anyone who isn't completely perverted)16:21
MohammadAGo.O16:22
MohammadAGI swear if this build fails I'm nuking the autobuilder16:24
SpeedEvilLazy^: oops16:25
crashanddieGAN900 & timeless: you guys use an external dvd writer? I have a macbook (unibody first gen) that has a broken cd player. recommendations?16:25
Lazy^anyway, i did find that link...16:25
SpeedEvilLazy^: have you disabled all repos apart from nokia?16:25
Lazy^yep16:25
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm16:25
Lazy^but maybe moving apt-cache is the solution...16:25
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SpeedEvilLazy^: What space do you have?16:25
GAN900crashanddie, get a cheap one off the interwebs?16:26
GAN900and, WTF, since when does Maemo do autocorrection?16:26
crashanddieGAN900: the cheap ones I see in the area around me are reported to not work with macs16:27
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GAN900Ah16:27
MohammadAGcrashanddie, I use an external writer16:27
MohammadAGit's a USB-only one, so it's kinda slow16:27
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MohammadAGbut my laptop doesn't have an internal drive so...16:28
GAN900I have a MacAlly enclosure with some DVD writer or other in it.16:28
GAN900From 2005 or so.16:28
SpeedEvilI vaguely recall some proto-app to get the n900 to appear as a CD player16:28
crashanddieSpeedEvil: the axel is bent, if you insert a CD it scratches it against the inside of the computer16:28
crashanddieSpeedEvil: and macs (especially the unibody) are notorious for being hard to open. It's not my computer either, so not going to mess with it16:29
MohammadAGcrashanddie, http://www.overclockersonline.net/reviews/50002601/16:29
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crashanddieMohammadAG: works under osx?16:30
MohammadAGcrashanddie, drivers use generic drives afaik, it 'works' with my N90016:31
MohammadAGdrives*16:31
MohammadAGdrivers*16:31
MohammadAGlol16:31
MohammadAGswap both terms16:31
crashanddiemeh, true, plug and pray right. I'll just go pick up something at the local shop and go yelling if it doesn't work16:32
MohammadAGworks most the times (yelling part)16:32
DocScrutinizer2*yawn*16:33
MohammadAGit's alive!16:33
DocScrutinizer2you're sure? me not16:34
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MohammadAGheh16:34
Lazy^SpeedEvil: rootfs 63.8mb16:35
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SpeedEvilLazy^: That's plenty16:36
SpeedEvilLazy^: I had IIRC 55M before updating. You're on 1.1.1?16:36
SpeedEvilLazy^: what exact error message do you get?16:36
Lazy^heh, it's still complaining about the space...16:36
Lazy^sec16:36
MohammadAGwho said aptitude wouldn't run http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/16:36
benno2Any idea how I can see the same fonts in maemo5 scratchbox as on the N900 ?16:36
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG, you evil repo spammer16:37
Stskeepsshould be, nokia fonts are installed16:37
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, muhahahaha16:38
MohammadAGhmm16:38
MohammadAGI wonder if I removed the rm -rf from the postinst script16:38
MohammadAGoh well16:38
Lazy^SpeedEvil: yes, 1.1.116:38
JaffaSpeedEvil: Thanks for the sensible comment on the Chromium thing. Much appreciated.16:39
SpeedEvilLazy^: It should certainly not fail wwiht lack of space with 65M IIRC16:39
SpeedEvilJaffa: I wish things were sane.16:39
SpeedEvilJaffa: And just by holding up clear proof, this sort of thing would go away.16:39
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Lazy^but it does.. .) App-manager says that i should pc-suite. pc-suite flips outs.. apt-get distupgrade fails also16:39
SpeedEvilBut - ...16:39
benno2Stskeeps, I tried af-sb-init.sh start on both X86 and ARMEL targets but I get a lot of errors, like qemu not found etc. but starting my app standalone with Xephyr running works. just I don't see the maemo desktop. any idea ?16:40
JaffaSpeedEvil: If wishes were horses...16:40
lbtSpeedEvil:  Mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.11/    :D16:40
* SpeedEvil looks up horse recipies.16:40
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* lbt goes back to building the maemo obs16:42
lbtX-Fade: are we ready to get any trial users on there yet?16:42
benno2I installed maemo5 sdk a few days ago, did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade is this enough to update to the PR 1.2 SDK or do I need to perform apt-get dist-upgrade ?  dist-upgrade wants to install only 1.6MB of archives, bsdutils, e2fsprogs etc.   any idea? thanks16:43
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MohammadAGlol it keeps segfaulting16:45
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DocScrutinizer2hmm, yummy, grilled horse16:50
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kW_Are there any experienced n900 hackers here?16:52
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MiXu-Try the talk.maemo.org forum16:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, KOR 2 - 0 GRE XP16:56
DocScrutinizer2hmm, good16:57
SpeedEvilkW_: for what?16:57
DocScrutinizer2less kor than gre around here16:57
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kW_SpeedEvil: Well, I want to rebuild the software on the N900 from source (e.g. kernel, initfs, rootfs, ...). I've already succeeded with the kernel, but I do not know how to build a rootfs (e.g. out of a scratchbox instance).16:59
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MohammadAGwell, at least aptitude can do an apt-get update :S17:00
kW_(I'm aware that "source" may well mean to add some "nokia-binaries", but that's fine.)17:00
SpeedEvilI've not used scrachbox - so am unaware if it can do 'make world'\17:01
MohammadAGLOL I got a framebuffer console in maemo17:01
MohammadAGidk how17:01
SpeedEvilMaemo-devel aslo17:01
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Some of the third party kernels enable it17:01
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, inside Maemo? not that I recall17:01
DocScrutinizer2Noma: ctrl-alt-F1?17:01
MohammadAGplus I'm not using third party kernels17:01
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Odd - I diddn't think that it had fbcon compiled in17:02
DocScrutinizer2a hoax, MohammadAG prolly doen't even know what kernel is on his dev atm XP17:03
MohammadAG/kick DocScrutinizer you hurt my feelings17:03
DocScrutinizer2:-P17:04
MohammadAGXD17:04
DocScrutinizer2noma? you see... :-S ETAB17:05
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG:  ctrl-alt-F1?17:05
MohammadAGsomeone install aptitude and see if it segfaults for them17:05
MohammadAGI can't see any reason it would segfault, other than Nokia fscking around with apt-utils17:05
DocScrutinizer2gdb is your friend17:06
clasificadoi can do it17:06
clasificadowhere it is?17:06
MohammadAG-devel17:06
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MohammadAGwow17:07
MohammadAGone goal already17:07
MohammadAGxDDDD17:07
MohammadAGIt's bad to lock the N900 at 100% right?17:08
MohammadAGwhat about 10x that? :P Load average: 9.86 8.56 5.0317:08
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clasificado-devel repos is big :P17:10
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Meceargentina is looking pretty good.17:21
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DocScrutinizerdamn, feels like futurama. The space bees are loose - run!!17:32
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MiXu-_Is there a way to see how many times a certain package has been downloadded from extras?17:41
MiXu-_extras-devel actually17:42
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DocScrutinizer2yes17:46
GAN900MiXu-_, http://downloads.maemo.org17:47
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clasificadoim argentinian :D 1st half done17:48
fureddoI think it's only for extras though, not extras-devel.17:48
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clasificadohey mohammadag, i have aptitude and sigsegv, both in one package :P17:49
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MohammadAGlol what17:50
clasificadosorry, let me try again17:50
clasificadoive installed your aptitude17:50
clasificadoand my output is "Ouch! Get SIGSEGV, dying..."17:51
MohammadAGdid you run it as root?17:51
clasificadoyep17:51
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Meceheyoo18:08
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Meceoops18:08
MeceMohammadAG51, thanks for fixing the pelota widget18:09
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MohammadAG51Mece np :P18:13
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fureddoIs there anyone here who was using QStardict and cannot use it anymore since PR1.2?  I have resubmitted a new version in extras-devel and would like to know if it works now.   Anyone can test it and report?18:18
fureddoThe name is qstardict_0.13.2-3fb.18:18
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fureddoI have no device so cannot test it myself.18:18
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SpeedEvilfureddo: What is the problem?18:29
felipecanyone knows how to make g_log actually print something?18:29
SpeedEvilfureddo: qstar!=mstar?18:30
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SpeedEvilDownloading18:30
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fureddoSpeedEvil, qstar != mstar.  That is correct.  It's 2 different apps.18:31
SpeedEvilIt starts and does not immediately crash18:32
fureddoThat's a good.18:32
fureddoThe problem is explained here:18:32
fureddohttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=709715&postcount=17618:32
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fureddoSpeedEvil, You will have to download and install a dictionary.18:34
SpeedEvil"The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config""  - appearing on the console when I try to tick the plugin18:34
fureddoAh ok.18:34
SpeedEvilIs this related to a dictionary?18:34
fureddoSo most probably that the problem is still there.18:35
fureddoI wonder...  Did you have the previous version installed before installing the new version?18:35
SpeedEvilNo - no qstardict - I did have mstardict18:36
fureddoOk.18:36
SpeedEvilhmm18:36
fureddoYou can try to install a dictionary and use it.18:36
fureddoDictionaries from mstar are supposed to be compatible with qstar.18:37
SpeedEvilhadn't got that setup either18:37
fureddoI think you can copy one of them in $HOME/.stardict/dic directory.18:37
fureddoAh ok.18:37
SpeedEvilIs there a nice page on how to setup the dicts?18:37
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fureddoYes, here...18:37
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fureddohttp://wiki.qstardict.ylsoftware.com/Dictionaries_installation18:39
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SpeedEvildownloading18:42
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SpeedEvilI suspect you know it would be nice to have some nice automagic way to do this.18:42
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fureddoProbably.  But I think maybe not actually.  Of course, it's a hassle.  But if all applications have their own dowload manager for installing data, that would clutter all the applications and take more space needlessly.18:43
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fureddoSo, I don't know...  Of course, in the future, we will have plenty of space on these devices but for now, the space is limited.18:44
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ManoftheSeawhat's a hassle?18:46
ManoftheSeathe app store?18:46
fureddotrouble18:46
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fureddodisturbance, annoyance18:46
* SpeedEvil sighs.18:47
SpeedEvilWhere does the browser put downloaded files..18:47
fureddoNo idea18:47
SpeedEvilAh18:47
SpeedEvilMydocs/.documents18:47
SpeedEvilHow deeply obvious.18:47
fureddoHome directory? or desktop? or Documents & Settings/home/My Documents/My Received Files/endOfTheWorld18:47
fureddo:-)18:48
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SpeedEvilAnd of course - busybox tar doesn't know bz18:49
fureddoYeah, I thought so.  There was a lot of complains about how difficult it can be to install those dict files.18:49
SpeedEvills -l .stardict/dic/18:50
SpeedEvildrwx------    2 user     users        4096 Jun 12 16:49 stardict-English_French-2.4.218:50
SpeedEvilthat look sane?18:50
MohammadAG51i removed /bin/tar and symlinked /usr/bin/gnu/tar to it18:51
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SpeedEvilfureddo:  ls -l .stardict/dic/*18:53
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users      482640 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.dict.dz18:53
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users      768420 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.idx18:53
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users         217 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.ifo18:53
fureddoYes, it looks good18:53
SpeedEvilI tried moving them back a dir - when it diddn't pick them up18:53
fureddoNo...  I think you must have a directory named with the dict.18:54
SpeedEvilk18:54
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SpeedEvilFixed that - they are now in a subdir - ~/.stardict/dic/stardict-English_French-2.4.18:55
fureddoLooks better.18:55
SpeedEvilAnd I go to configure, click 'dictionaries - and get what appears to be an empty list18:55
fureddoHave you checked the stardict plugins?18:56
fureddoYou may have to restart the application too.18:56
SpeedEvilno18:56
fureddoCan you check it?18:56
RST38hOh fuck...glColorPointer() apparently does not like integer color components18:56
SpeedEvilthe 'i' and spanner do nothing on the settings page - just tick and dismiss the window?18:57
jacekowskiRST38h: that's because you didn't read the friendly manual18:57
fureddoIf you select stardict plugin, can you click the wrench button?18:57
SpeedEvilno18:57
fureddoThen the bug is still there.18:57
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SpeedEvilIt lights up, then dims as soon as I touch it to the same as it looked before.18:58
fureddoMost probably.18:58
SpeedEvilWould strace be of use?18:58
RST38hjacekowski: URL of the friendly manual?18:58
fureddoMaybe.18:58
jacekowskihttp://www.khronos.org/opengles/documentation/opengles1_0/html/glColorPointer.html18:58
fureddoBut I think that the previous error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config"18:59
RST38hoh fuck18:59
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fureddomeans something...18:59
RST38hit does not take GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE either though18:59
fureddoFor someone :-)18:59
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SpeedEvilfureddo: http://www.mauve.plus.com/qs - strace - in a few mins when it's finished uploading19:00
fureddoOk19:00
fureddoTell me when it's done.19:01
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SpeedEvilOk - gzip is more sane19:02
SpeedEvilqs.gz19:02
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: what's the problem?19:02
SpeedEvilup in 5s19:02
fureddoI think it's a Qt bug.19:02
SpeedEvil?19:02
SpeedEvilWRT what?19:02
jacekowskibzip2 or lzm19:02
jacekowskilzma19:03
SpeedEvilI just cut through the lead of my hedgetrimmer19:03
SpeedEvilI don't think that's directly related though19:03
jacekowskiwell, the software problem19:03
jacekowskinot your home problems19:03
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SpeedEvilIT wouldn't undo a bz219:04
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jacekowskiyour hedge trimmer?19:05
SpeedEvil\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\19:05
SpeedEviloops19:05
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inzSpeedEvil, are you sure you escaped it enough?19:05
MohammadAG51lol19:06
MohammadAG51I wonder what would've happened if he type s/\/\/19:06
inzToo late now ;)19:07
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MohammadAG51lol19:07
jacekowskis/\/\/19:07
infobotjacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...19:07
jacekowskis/\/\/g19:07
infobotjacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...19:07
inzJust as I guessed.19:07
MohammadAG51oops19:07
MohammadAG51i meant s/\///19:07
inzThe "regex" engine in infobot is far from regex =)19:07
MohammadAG51\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\19:08
MohammadAG51s/\///19:08
satmdstop it please19:08
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l0updudes19:08
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jacekowskiyeah19:08
jacekowskilet's be adult19:08
* MohammadAG51 switches to sed19:08
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SpeedEvilSigh19:09
SpeedEvilIt was me putting my soldering iron down on my keyboard19:09
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crashanddie\\\19:12
crashanddies/\//\//19:12
crashanddieinfobot: you serve nothing19:12
crashanddieor maybe it does...19:12
jacekowskirapuyama is for 3g and gazoo for 2g?19:12
crashanddie\\\19:12
crashanddies/\\/\//19:12
korhojoacrashanddie: why would you do that?19:12
jacekowskiosomebody fucked up the bot19:13
jacekowski~flashing19:13
infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware19:13
crashanddie~rape jacekowski19:13
jacekowskihmm19:13
jacekowskino19:13
crashanddieoh :(19:13
crashanddie~nuke jacekowski19:13
jacekowskicrashanddie: she's ignoring you19:13
crashanddiewhy?19:13
jacekowskishe can sense bad people19:13
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crashanddies/?/!/19:13
infobotcrashanddie meant: why!19:13
jacekowskifail19:14
crashanddie~commands19:14
crashanddie~help19:14
crashanddie~unlobotomy19:14
crashanddiegod dayum19:14
crashanddie~facstats19:14
crashanddie~factstats19:15
korhojoawellthen19:15
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crashanddieTALK19:23
* MohammadAG51 talks19:24
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LuciusMareHi, I've forgot the password to the device, it's not locked, I got root privs, I just forgot the password - can I change it?19:26
MohammadAG51the root pass?19:27
MohammadAG51just type passwd19:27
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LuciusMareNo, the pass that is asked for at locked screen19:28
MohammadAG51didn't you ask about it the other day?19:29
MohammadAG51And I said search for a method by qwerty1219:29
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DocScrutinizerand I second on that19:31
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jacekowskiand i do19:34
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lcukanything good on telly tonight19:37
* satmd had a fun idea (and posted it to the wrong channel)19:37
satmdI sit in a thunder and wondered if my n900 could calculate the distance for me19:37
crashanddielcuk: england vs usa19:38
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lcukyeah i saw that was on crashanddie19:38
lcukbut i did say anythin good ;)19:38
DocScrutinizer2kids!19:38
DocScrutinizer2\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\19:38
crashanddielcuk: I think the queen should bet with obama. If England wins, they start using -ise and more u's in their words. If USA wins, we start using -ize and remove all of our scrabble-cheating u's, h's and g's.19:38
DocScrutinizer2s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/19:39
infobotDocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\19:39
DocScrutinizer2s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/g19:39
lcukif its a draw, we all pitch in and go cleanup the oil19:39
infobotDocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\19:39
Appiahhaha19:39
crashanddielcuk: sure, I'm happy to be neither part of the US or UK then :D19:39
crashanddieanyway, going to the shops, 'later19:40
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DocScrutinizer2satmd: we had that topic. It seems you need to exploit the camera to detect the lightning19:42
fralslcuk: i ate at your favorite pizzereia yesterday ;D19:42
satmd:(19:42
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DocScrutinizer2satmd: and of course mic and sw audio analysis to detect the arrival of thunder19:42
satmd:)19:43
MohammadAG51lcuk, the world cup is good :P19:43
DocScrutinizer2or you simply create a stopwatch that counts 333/s19:43
MohammadAG51last game was lulz19:43
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DocScrutinizer2satmd: you *might* check if you can exploit the FMRX to detect nearby lightning EM19:44
satmdhm19:44
MeceMohammadAG51, who are you cheering for?19:44
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DrGrovWhere can I see the new themes for N900?19:44
DocScrutinizer2on an empty (silent) channel it might work19:45
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MohammadAG51Mece, USA, to annoy a certain english fan :P19:45
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fureddoSpeedEvil, I must go to bed now.  It's almost 2am here.  I will take a look to the strace tomorrow.  Bye!19:45
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MeceMohammadAG51, LOL. though I meant in general.19:46
fureddoSpeedEvil, Thanks for your time.19:47
DrGrovMohammadAG: any way to find themes for the N900 from reliable sources?19:48
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jacekowskiDIY19:48
SmokeyDhey everyone, I am trying to connect to openvpn from my n900, but when I press "connect" the phone waits a few secs and then alerts "socket.connect() failed".19:48
SmokeyDany ideas what's wrong?19:49
BCMMDrGrov: ovi store or app manager19:49
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BCMMDrGrov: and why did you highlight MohammadAG?19:50
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DrGrovBCMM: ah ok. i highlight MohammadAG since he is always been very kind and helpful.19:50
BCMMimho app manager should have a catagory for themes, but it doesn't19:51
MiXu-_I agree19:51
MiXu-_In my opinion app manager is the worst app of N900 right after the RSS reader19:51
BCMMyou can search for themes though, or list the catagory they are in (i forget which one - "Desktop"?) by size19:51
DrGrovBCMM: agreed19:51
BCMMthe themes are all huge19:51
BCMMalso, i dunno where list by size has gone in 1.219:52
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MiXu-_The fact that it's only a GUI for apt is a bit disappointing.19:52
BCMMDrGrov: anyway, there is a section on ovi store19:52
BCMMMiXu-_: well, what else does it need to do?19:53
MiXu-_BCMM: If you've got a lot of repos it is painfully slow19:53
BCMMis list by size entirely gone in 1.2?19:53
MiXu-_take a look at appdownloader in extras19:53
MiXu-_That's much better.19:53
BCMMi mean, it's not a big deal for install, but it's very useful for uninstalling19:53
BCMMMiXu-_: is that an alternative apt frontend?19:54
MiXu-_Don't know about that.19:54
MiXu-_BCMM: No. It's a extras frontend.19:54
MiXu-_Technical stuff aside, it's much more user friendly.19:54
MiXu-_And you can actually see comments/screenshots/whatnot about the app in question.19:54
MiXu-_Plus it's much snappier.19:55
BCMMsnappier is a gooooood thing19:55
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BCMMi feel like it got slower in 1.2, but am not entirely sure19:55
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DrGrovBCMM: good though i really hate ovi store.19:56
DrGrovI am trying to find something extremely useful for my N90019:57
DrGrovTrying to customize it perfectly for my needs but I can not seem to get it done19:57
MiXu-_Have you tried extras-testing and extras-devel?19:58
DrGrovI just keep my fiancee, Conversations and Phone as shortcuts available on the desktop.19:58
DrGrovNo, I maybe should really start to do this ;)19:58
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DrGrovMiXu-_: It feels like something is kind of "missing" on my current setup19:58
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BCMMyou need a little desktop button that makes the thing go "beep"20:01
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MeceDrGrov, well, as a reference, I've got 14 contacts, 21 shortcuts, widgets: calendar, personal ip, media player, transmitter, comic widget and world cup widget.20:03
Meceit's crowded but not cramped :-)20:04
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xDaReaperxHi20:04
MiXu-I've got the facebook app as well. Although it is pretty useless.20:06
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MiXu-It should at least be scrollable and you should be able to post stuff.20:07
MiXu-I use mauku for posting now.20:07
BCMMyeah, glorified RSS reader20:07
xDaReaperxyeah i wished There was an official FB and twitter app20:08
xDaReaperxfor maemo20:08
MiXu-mauku is pretty good for twitter20:08
MiXu-I have no complaints20:08
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xDaReaperxwat about witter and tweego20:09
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JaffaAnyone got iodine and DNS tunnelling working on Maemo 5?20:15
MeceI use witter. I need the features.20:15
konfooguys anyone built gstreamer for maemo bleeding edge with rtsp support?20:18
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lcukfrals lol20:31
lcukMohammadAG51, mmm kinda20:31
MohammadAG51lcuk, pregame started, kick off is 58 mins from now20:32
MohammadAG51USA vs England20:32
* lcuk rolleyes20:32
lcukill find out the score anyway whether i watch it or not20:32
MeceFTW!20:32
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MohammadAG51lcuk, it's the fake stuff that's fun20:32
lcukbut i think i best had vanish, i can at least do some lounging around20:32
lcukwhat fake stuff?20:33
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MohammadAG51like when a player dives face forward into the ground to get a foul20:33
lcukthe only shocking thing ive heard so far are those damned air horns20:33
MohammadAG51seen that twice20:33
MohammadAG51yeah, they sound like a huge bee hive20:33
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jacekowskiMohammadAG51: england is bad20:38
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: but not that bad20:38
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jacekowskiwhat would be simplest way of veryfing if phone is really charging?20:39
MohammadAG51touch the metal cable and see if you get electricuted20:40
MohammadAG51:P20:40
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jacekowski( i need some way of keeping phone charged when bme is paused )20:40
MohammadAG51test voltage?20:40
lcukput a glass of water down, if it starts to shake jurrasic park style, the n900 is charging towards you20:41
jacekowskilcuk: i'll have to try that20:41
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jacekowskilcuk: it's either not working or n900 isn't charging20:42
jacekowski( towards me )20:42
xDaReaperxglass of water down ?20:44
xDaReaperxwont the N900 spoil ?20:44
lcukyou could use multiple glasses of water and triangulate i suppose20:44
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lcukdamn missed the start of doctor who20:51
lcukwill have to watch later20:51
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: when bme is stopped,then there's no way to keep device charging - except starting jrbme instead20:52
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lardmanevening chaps20:53
crashanddieshitstorm flying on TMO20:53
crashanddiewoohooo20:53
lardmanhey crashanddie20:53
crashanddiehey lardy, howzit?20:54
lardmannot bad, finally got some time to fix my linux box and do some coding20:54
lardmanand just ordered a new pc so I'll havr to do it all again anyway20:54
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, i2cset20:55
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crashanddielardman: cool20:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Discharging to under 3.7v, then plugging in the charger for under 32 mins20:56
lardmancrashanddie: and you?20:56
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crashanddiebha20:58
crashanddiefinding jobs is hard, and boring20:58
lardmanhmm, yeah I can imagine20:58
lardmanwhere you looking, la France?20:58
Mecewhere's the shitstorm on tmo? url plz?20:59
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: jrbme for now is just a script using i2ctools21:00
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crashanddieMece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5600821:01
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lardmancrashanddie: ah, the wonders of forum moderation21:10
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pupniki don't see how people get thier thinkpads down to <8 watts current draw21:14
lardmanpull out the CPU? ;)21:15
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crashanddieturn it off?21:17
crashanddiethen it's under 8 watts21:17
MohammadAG51lardman, tbh I'd close that thread if I were a mod21:18
MohammadAG51it'll eventually be closed, so why waste time21:18
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GAN900lardman, you ever get an answer from Reggie?21:21
GAN900lardman, personally, I'm ok with "Because I don't like your stupid face". :P21:21
lardmanMohammadAG: I'm no longer a mod, so I'm not really bothered21:22
lardmanGAN900: no, nothing21:22
GAN900Bizarre21:22
lardmanGAN900: yeah, a reason would be nice, but in the absence I'll just get on with the rest of my rather busy life and not worry too much21:22
lardmancursing QT Creator is taking up 100% of my time in the current 10min slice anyway ;)21:23
lardmanaargh, why oh why does it not want to just work21:24
lardman?21:24
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lardmancreate a new .ui file, try to go to the slot definiation for a pushbutton and it moans about not finding the header file for the window21:25
lardmanhmm, definition even21:25
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* lardman quietly thinks to himself that they should make it Visual Basic easy, or not bother encouraging people and let them write ui code themselves21:26
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MohammadAG51kick off in a bit21:29
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xDaReaperxHi21:38
xDaReaperxi think i found a bug in Health check tool21:38
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xDaReaperxhttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png21:40
xDaReaperxsee that21:40
xDaReaperxeach field is capable to be replace by the CPU current freq field , by just clicking once on the CPU current freq field and clicking the other field21:41
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* GAN900 chuckles at the World Cup on ABC21:45
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Mecegotta save some batteries. mece out.21:51
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Stskeeps...21:52
Stskeepspenguinbait's at it again?21:52
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Stskeepslo tomasz21:56
TomaszDlo Stskeeps21:56
TomaszD@ a rally meetup21:57
* Stskeeps is seriously considering to add talk.maemo.org to his hostname ban list21:57
xDaReaperxlol y ?21:57
Stskeepsthe current mood reminds me a lot like the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c21:57
TomaszDbrb, next beer21:57
* MohammadAG adds talk.maemo.org to Stskeeps's hostname ban list21:59
* MohammadAG bans Stskeeps from tmo21:59
kW_Stskeeps: Hi, I'm currently using your boot-menu :-)21:59
GAN900Stskeeps, community isn't SO bad.21:59
StskeepskW_: fanoush'es :)21:59
xDaReaperxMohammadAg did you see this?  http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png21:59
xDaReaperxits a bug which i mentioned above in health check tool21:59
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, yeah I had it once21:59
xDaReaperxHmm21:59
StskeepsGAN900: it is comparable at the moment :P21:59
kW_Stskeeps: well, this one http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootmenu-n900/21:59
StskeepskW_: yeah, we commonly attribute it to fanoush as he made it22:00
StskeepsGAN900: did you see penguinbait's thread? :P22:00
kW_ah, I see22:00
kW_Stskeeps: I'm currently using it to build booting from an encrypted root filesystem22:01
Stskeepsshould be possible, i'd be wary of watchdogs though22:01
kW_Stskeeps: what exactly do you mean?22:01
StskeepskW_: if you take too long time starting up, the watchdogs will get you22:02
GAN900Stskeeps, nurp22:02
kW_ah, I see22:02
StskeepsGAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5600822:02
TomaszDStskeeps, still want that pic22:02
StskeepsTomaszD: yeah, i'll ask bogna to get it for you - her birthday today22:03
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kW_Stskeeps: is there information on watchdogs (when they start, how long they take until they become active, ...)?22:03
DocScrutinizer2arfarfarf <watchdog biting Stskeeps' ass>22:04
GAN900Stskeeps, love it.22:04
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GAN900Stskeeps, well, you know my feelings on the subject(s). ;)22:05
DocScrutinizer2kW_: you can disable then in R&D mode anyway22:05
DocScrutinizer2tem22:05
DocScrutinizer2omfg22:05
StskeepsDocScrutinizer2: there was a wd in bq* btw?22:05
DocScrutinizer2kW_: you can disable those watchdogs in R&D mode anyway22:05
DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: yes22:05
TomaszDStskeeps, oh, tell her a happy birthday from me then :)22:05
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Stskeepshow does it work, out of curiousity22:05
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TomaszDit's god damned too loud to talk here22:06
DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: if system starts to talk to bq24150, then the WD is awake. When system fails to feed it for >32s nominal (aktually >12s) then bq24150 restes to defaults22:07
DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: defaults pretty much means safe bootstrap charge mode enabled22:07
Stskeeps:nod:22:08
DocScrutinizer2(3.7V max charge Voltage, 100/500mA max charge current, timeout 32min)22:09
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DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: so in that mode, which obviously also is the power-on reset mode, you can charge a dead battery to ~250mAh (500mA*32min) with the dedicated charger, even without system booted22:12
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DocScrutinizer2this should suffice to cleanly boot up NOLO and enable normal charging (though I'm not sure if NOLO does that, or you need the play-dead/softoff minimal unix system + BME to manage the bq24150 WD)22:14
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, ENG 1 - 1 USA, I suggest bolting the door22:15
DocScrutinizer2nah, American Forces have no longer any troops here22:15
DocScrutinizer2England neither22:16
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DocScrutinizer2Greece, Italy, Spain, that's the major threat here in my possee22:16
DocScrutinizer2and of course first and foremost the Germans ;-P22:17
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GAN900MohammadAG, I'm rioting as soon as the game's over.22:18
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GAN900Gon get me uh new TV!22:18
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MohammadAGGAN900, XD, I'm watching it online22:19
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xDaReaperxlol22:22
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ksalehi, came from maemo wiki, need help22:30
ksalemy n900 has unstable sound.22:31
xDaReaperxunstable sound?22:32
ksalegoes off when player is paused and device is locked. Also sometimes plugging/unplugging headset creates the same effect.22:34
pupnikonly speakers or headset goes off also?22:34
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ksaleboth22:35
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crashanddieaah, the joys of having to go through level 1 support with my ISP22:38
* crashanddie remembers the days when I used to work for them, and had a direct number to lvl 3 support...22:39
crashanddieand it was "cheaper", because it was a local number, so free to dial, whereas this is .3 euros a minute22:39
ksaleI'll try to be  more specific -- device has just turned on, headset is on, media (mp3) plays with sound. Then I switch to internet radio, and sound disappears. Return back to mp3 -- no sound.  WiFi account is enabled and stable.22:41
* kirma has sort of hard time understanding what and why on earth nokia folks have done with v4l2 camera drivers and gstreamer v4l2camsrc to make it so that getting raw (bayer filter level) 10-bit-per-pixel image from sensor should be trivial, but it's pretty much not so22:46
kirmawith plain v4l2 it's "simple", but then again everything else becomes unnecessarily complicated without gstreamer additions22:48
GAN900crashanddie, I hate having to go through the bullshit phase.22:48
crashanddieGAN900: "turn off, check it's plugged in, bla bla bla"22:48
GAN900Back in the day Sears would make you wipe your whole machine before they'd honor the warranty22:48
GAN900and I didn't have enough guile back then to lie to them22:49
vldcnstcrashanddie: my ISP support won't even answer any questions if I'm using a router, they say they don't support routers. Even if the problem is at their end, imagine that.22:49
GAN900So I wiped that stupid iMac 4 times in as many years for fried ethernet hardware. . . .22:49
crashanddieproblem is, there must be so many people trying to bullshit their way through lvl 1 because they think they understand what's happening22:49
GAN900Yeah22:49
crashanddieanyone watching usa vs uk?22:50
GAN900I've dealt with my fair share of it myself.22:50
crashanddie1080p HD on a projector... not too bad22:50
GAN900crashanddie, on at work.22:50
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crashanddieI'm actually surprised the US managed to score22:51
GAN900lol22:51
crashanddieI was kinda imagining them coming out on the field with all the padding and everything: "Whadyamean, not that kind of football dude?"22:52
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kirmaI must say that I don't quite comprehend what exactly happens to the SGRBG-style pixel encoding once it has crossed to userland and to gstcamerasrc code, though. pipelines seem... strange, referring components not visible with gst-inspect.22:54
DocScrutinizer2crashanddie: :-D22:55
GAN900Texrat seriously needs to try just ignoring these threads.22:55
crashanddiehe does22:55
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Stskeepsi wouldn't mind Texrat in a role where following up on every single comment would be needed22:57
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GAN900lol23:07
GAN900He always loses perspective in the trenches.23:07
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lcuk##world-cup channel is very noisey and sweary :D23:08
GAN900Even though I don't care one bit about soccer, England can go eat dirt. :P23:09
fralsbah ppl not reading first post in a thread and asking a question which has been answered a million times really makes me stay away from tmo23:09
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kirmasupposedly kicking balls make people agitated23:10
BCMMlcuk: aaaaah, that makes some sense23:11
BCMMi thought outside was a bit weird today23:11
BCMMis england playing, by any chance?23:11
MohammadAGhow do I restart X?23:11
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lcukBCMM, was watching downstairs before but i got distracted23:11
MohammadAGnvm, found it23:12
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BCMMthat would explain a significant subset of the strange people in town23:12
crashanddielcuk: lol... it is noisy23:12
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crashanddieGAN900: haha, the bitch just hung op on me after being too difficult...23:14
lcukcrashanddie, yeah its a bustling chan23:14
MohammadAGtwo screens rock!23:16
MohammadAGnow if only I can figure out how to move windows between them23:16
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: slide finger from the bottom right corner23:17
lcukMohammadAG, 2 big screens?23:17
GAN900crashanddie, at the ISP?23:17
crashanddieyeah23:17
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, you're kidding right :P23:17
MohammadAGlcuk, sec23:17
GAN900crashanddie, call back and ask for her again.23:17
crashanddiedoing just that23:17
BCMMMohammadAG: two screens on an n900?23:19
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Oh - sorry - I'm not supposed to say anything about my n900-ds23:19
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lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG23:19
MohammadAGlcuk, basically, 2930x207423:20
lcukso big desktop screens23:20
MohammadAGyeah, but I can't figure out how to move windows between them23:20
MohammadAGit runs on a separate X screen23:21
fralsmust be an old screen doing 1280x1024!23:21
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MohammadAGI guess trouts do make you smart23:21
lcukMohammadAG, yeah thats the problem with proper distinct x instances23:22
lcuki have dual screen23:22
lcukbut since x1123:22
lcuksingle23:22
MohammadAGthat's only possible if both screens are the right size, right?23:22
fralsnot sure how that 2930 adds up thou.. some weird reso x1050 :<23:22
MohammadAGs/right size/same res23:22
MohammadAG1680x1050 is standard on all 22" screens frals23:23
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frals1280+1680 doesnt make 2930 me thinks!23:23
fralstwo evens dont make an odd!23:23
* frals remembers basic math23:23
BCMM2930 isn't odd!23:24
* BCMM ducks23:24
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DocScrutinizer2~1280 + 168023:28
infobot296023:28
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kW_Does anybody know how to resize the FAT32 partition on the eMMC card?23:39
RST38hThe CEO has accused workers of killing themselves for financial compensation, and the company has stopped suicide payments to suicide victims' families.23:39
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Stskeepsexcellent23:40
SpeedEvilkW_: copy off, mkfs.vfat23:40
SpeedEvilcopy on23:40
kW_SpeedEvil: well, if nothing speaks against this approach...23:41
SpeedEvilWorked for me.23:41
kW_is it possible to export the _whole_ eMMC as a USB mass storage device instead of just one partition?23:41
SpeedEvilYes, but.23:41
SpeedEvilYou'd need to do some hackery.23:42
SpeedEvilAlso - if you export /home - things get messy23:42
MohammadAG51unless youmre outside maemo23:42
SpeedEvilMounting a block device in two places at once is a generally bad idea23:42
SpeedEvilEven if23:42
kW_well, I'd unmount it on the maemo-side first23:42
MohammadAG51is that even possible23:42
kW_and I'd actually not touch the linux or swap partition23:43
MohammadAG51without fscking up the device23:43
DocScrutinizer2RST38h: sounds like china's big electronics factory23:43
kW_just tell me, I'm not afraid to break the things, I just flashed it anyway23:43
SpeedEvilkW_: You can't easily unmount home that way23:43
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kW_Well, I just want to export /dev/mmcblk023:44
SpeedEvilWhy?23:44
kW_because then it is much easier to make parted resize the partition and create a new partition23:45
kW_(the FAT partition)23:45
SpeedEvilcopy data off fat partition.23:45
SpeedEvilmkfs, and you're done.23:45
MohammadAG51or use sfdisk23:45
MohammadAG51makes me wonder23:46
DocScrutinizer2not for the partition size thing23:46
kW_well, in case I need to repair the FAT partiion, then the repair tools will find signatures of 2 fat partiions...23:46
MohammadAG51gparted would be interesting23:46
kW_SpeedEvil: do you know how to change the export settings? (I know what I do)23:46
DocScrutinizer2cfdisk23:46
SpeedEvilnope23:46
* MohammadAG51 wonders if gparted is an ass to port23:46
* MohammadAG51 also wonders if it'd expose the mtd blocks23:47
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SpeedEvilHit up /etc/ with grep23:47
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kW_is it possible to add a generic debian repository to /etc/apt/sources.list in order to have much more software runnable on the N900?23:48
RST38ha'ok...23:48
kW_(for example, nbd-server, parted, fdisk, ...)23:48
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if easy-debian has it in.23:49
MohammadAG51would easy-debian even export the drives outside the chroot23:49
korhojoakW_: well, it is possible. not many things will work though23:49
MohammadAG51hmm23:49
MohammadAG51would be possible to mount --bind the dev nodes I guess23:49
kW_korhojoa: is there a specific reason why this won't work?23:49
SpeedEvilThere are ways to mount stuff outside the chroot23:50
SpeedEvilkW_: It is possible to get it to work.23:50
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korhojoakW_: wrong libs and files in different places23:50
SpeedEvilBut it's going to be a couple of orders of magnitude easier to simply move it off, resize, move it back on.23:50
korhojoakW_: i've managed to install a thing or two, but that's about it. i downloaded the debs off the website though23:51
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DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: didn't you say (was it you?) that all the USSD and network control codes work on 1.2?23:52
MohammadAG51not all23:52
MohammadAG51I told you one or two didn't work23:52
DocScrutinizer2"maemo-users" <maemo-users@maemo.org> Tanuva <tanuva@googlemail.com>  subj:Re: Cannot turn off call forwarding23:52
MohammadAG51** ones i think23:52
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kW_SpeedEvil: well, I've copied it off, now I need to be able to delete or resize the partition, but sfdisk apparently does not have such options.... weird23:53
DocScrutinizer2FSCK! I *knew* Nokia wouldn't achieve to fix it23:54
fralswas it an USSD that didnt work or was it a SS code or whatever they are called?23:55
SpeedEvilkW_: apt-get install cfdisk23:55
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SpeedEvil /var/log even23:58

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