| greenfly | crashanddie: yeah that would be really slick | 00:01 |
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| greenfly | one would imagine the framework is in place already for the contacts, so it would be a matter of extending it to also search a different database | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | catorise can't be customized can it | 00:02 |
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| mece | MohammadAG51: nope | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's open source. | 00:03 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, hee : | 00:03 |
| mece | s/:/:P/ | 00:03 |
| infobot | mece meant: SpeedEvil, hee :P | 00:03 |
| mece | I wonder if it's even possible to upload 230Mb in the browser... | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, how do I check statistics of an app in the repos? | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | I would've preferred numbers but... thanks :) | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | note though, this is not the count of fmms users. There is only in fact one user, and there have been 250000 updates. | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't count updates afaik :P | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it does | 00:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a way to get at the raw data, but I've forgotten it | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it's loaded by the page I think | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ - correlate the above with the update times | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah yes | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 | 00:13 |
| mece | woo cool. | 00:13 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, any way to get total? | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | add up the second element of the duples | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 00:14 |
| * SpeedEvil fails. | 00:14 | |
| mece | LOL | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not a sane derivation from tuple, is it. | 00:14 |
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| mece | lol | 00:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Adding them all up tells you something - but disentangling what it tells you is hard. | 00:15 |
| mece | i wants total, dammit! | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Some work I did earlier - I'd meant to write it up properly - indicated that for example - for fmms - more users were downloading from extras-testing than extras | 00:16 |
| vzq | any experiences with sygic navigation? | 00:16 |
| mece | everyone uses testing.. | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Updates screw those numbers, as it's hard to derive where a update comes from | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 00:16 |
| * mece frakking hates adsl up speed | 00:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | I mean what are new numbers. | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | my DSL up speed is twice what my down is. | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | my down is going at 224k ATM. :/ | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: Not quite true - for fmms - the numbers were looking more like a third of the people were getting a version from extras. | 00:17 |
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| mece | ok.. | 00:18 |
| mece | is libboost in extras? | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 00:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | When was pr1.2? | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems like forever now | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | mid may? | 00:21 |
| pupnik | no more single pupnik | 00:21 |
| pupnik | can it be.... | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You've invested in some korean cloning facility | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, i think it's been a year | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | PR1.2 | 00:22 |
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| mece | LOL | 00:22 |
| mece | pupnik, please elaborate. | 00:22 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, what? | 00:23 |
| derf | I finally flashed to PR1.2 yesterday. | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | derf, no OTA | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | ? | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PR1.2 OTA shipping, << in topic, set by DocScrutinizer 2010-05-26 | 00:24 |
| derf | I couldn't even get 1.0.1 or whatever it was to go OTA. | 00:24 |
| pupnik | met a nokia programmer guys. she rocks in so many ways | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, lol | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | derf, why not? | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | Space or package conflicts? | 00:25 |
| derf | Package conflicts, I assume. | 00:25 |
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| derf | I had plenty of space. | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still 1.1.1 here :-P | 00:26 |
| ZogG | haha | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | derf, apt usually helps with that. | 00:26 |
| derf | GAN900: It was pretty uninformative. | 00:26 |
| derf | And I didn't have the time to spend on it. | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | derf, ah, I'm sorry, then. :P | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: congrats | 00:27 |
| derf | It's okay. I don't actually use the device much, so it's not like re-flashing was as big a headache as it would've been with the N8x0. | 00:28 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: less bs from me now :) | 00:30 |
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| mece | oh comeooon how long can it take?!?!? | 00:35 |
| GAN900 | derf, that's too bad. | 00:36 |
| derf | Reflashing itself doesn't take long. Setting everything up again afterwards takes a long time. | 00:36 |
| * mece uploading 230Mb package to devel at ~80kb/s | 00:36 | |
| derf | Oh, haha. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Can't you tell the builder to do wget as part of the process somehow? | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stick it in a makefile | 00:37 |
| derf | GAN900: It's always the little things. Maemo Mapper worked great on the N8x0. Mappero is still unusable. There's probably alternatives, but it's easier to just keep using my N810. | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | or debian/rules | 00:37 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, no idea. I don't speak "builder" | 00:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 does | 00:37 | |
| mece | DEBIAN RULES!!! | 00:38 |
| mece | :) | 00:38 |
| derf | The battery on my N900 also runs down in just a few hours, and I haven't had time to figure out why. | 00:38 |
| derf | It seems to still do it after reflashing, too. | 00:38 |
| vldcnst | derf: same thing here. | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | maybe it's cause it's like that out of the box | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | i know it's a pain in the arse, but I modded a bullet belt into a battery belt | 00:39 |
| mece | craaaaaaap! | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | terrorism with a twist ^ | 00:39 |
| * mece forgot to add the bugtracker link | 00:39 | |
| MohammadAG51 | mece watcha packaging | 00:39 |
| vldcnst | But I also suspect that the epoxy I used to secure the micro-usb is a tiny bit conductive, and I may have some leaks there. | 00:40 |
| mece | MohammadAG51, wesnoth data | 00:40 |
| derf | I mean, even with the battery half-dead, my N810 lasts for days if I don't put it on a network. | 00:40 |
| derf | The N900, not so much. | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | riiiight | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | doesn't the N810 have a 1500 BL-4P? | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | My n900 will last for over 4 days idle connected to the network | 00:40 |
| derf | But I just use the N900 as a development platform, so I don't really have a problem leaving it plugged in all the time. | 00:40 |
| mece | MohammadAG51: thought I might push wesnoth and fheroes2 to testing, and see what happens :) | 00:41 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: Right. Mine's lucky to do 8 hours off the network, no bluetooth, no GPS, no SIM card at all. | 00:41 |
| mece | MohammadAG51: but kinda pointless when the whole bugtracker field is missing.. | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | mece I'll send you a gift | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | an armed nuke | 00:41 |
| mece | MohammadAG51: umm? | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | Ugh | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | Restart to fix the stupid slowness | 00:41 |
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| mece | MohammadAG51: I'm a pacifist, so I'd rather just take legos. But thanks | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | derf, that sounds wrong. | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | derf: in offline mode? | 00:42 |
| derf | I don't know what "offline mode" is. | 00:42 |
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| mece | derf, that sounds wrong. I get ~14 of normal use, always online | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | press the power button | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | select 'offline mode' | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It means 'turn all the transmitters off. Really' | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | mece, you're special | 00:43 |
| mece | MohammadAG51: I like to think so. | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | I use up e batteries a day | 00:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 3 even | 00:44 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: Okay. I'll try it. But I certainly don't get anything like what mece claims. | 00:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | And yes - I'm seeing numbers like meces. | 00:44 |
| derf | I'm sure you are. I am not. | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ~24 hours mp3, ... | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not disbelieving you. | 00:44 |
| derf | I got as far as, "You should use powertop!" "apt-cache search powertop returns nothing," and then I gave up. | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | downlaod that zip | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Unzip | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | put powertop in /usr/local/bin | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | chmod +x | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | enjoy | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm in the middle of writing a shinier awesomer powertop, but it's not ready. | 00:49 |
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| derf | Yeah, that poster is right. I never would have done all of that. | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | It used to be in the default distribution | 00:52 |
| derf | But that would have been too useful? | 00:52 |
| derf | And, of course, there's no unzip on the device. | 00:53 |
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| derf | Oh, nice, it segfaults, too. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | unzip is in the tools repo | 00:56 |
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| derf | In theory I have the tools repo enabled. | 00:56 |
| derf | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle-update2/tools free non-free | 00:57 |
| derf | Unless that's not really supposed to be -update2? | 00:57 |
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| mece | unzip is in devel too I think. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/powertop.exe | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | there - no need to unzip - that's the one I'm using ATM | 01:00 |
| derf | No, I mean, I just unzipped it on the host and ssh'd it over. | 01:00 |
| derf | I was just bitching. | 01:00 |
| derf | mece: I'm really trying not to keep devel enabled... not just all the rootfs space it chews up, but it seemed to regularly break things. | 01:00 |
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| derf | Like, say, OTA updates. Or, oh hai, everything's now being built against PR1.2. What do you mean 1.2's not out yet? That's not our problem. | 01:01 |
| mece | derf, heh yeah. | 01:01 |
| mece | derf, then again flashing takes 2 minutes | 01:01 |
| derf | As I said, flashing is not the hard part. | 01:01 |
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| mece | ok trying wesnoth-data again. man I hope it works. | 01:03 |
| mece | aw fuck... according to my math-fu it should take almost an hour! | 01:04 |
| Arkenoi | Have you ever seen "fatal" cellular network errors? Ones that prevent phone from even _trying_ to estabilish data connection until you force it to re-register? Why the F phones grant this bullshit instead of ignoring it? n900 included. Seen that on busy networks quite frequently | 01:04 |
| mece | anyone feel like helping me setup the other method of upping to extras? | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | post x-fade a DVD? | 01:07 |
| mece | ? | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | the other method of upping to extras? | 01:07 |
| * satmd has | 01:07 | |
| satmd | but not on the tablets | 01:07 |
| * satmd does building security | 01:08 | |
| satmd | it sucked when the phone didn't ring on an incident | 01:08 |
| mece | question, if I do scp from within scratchbox, I need to generate ssh key inside scratchbox? | 01:08 |
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| satmd | mece: keys can be generated anywhere | 01:08 |
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| satmd | they just need to be copied to the appropiate places | 01:08 |
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| crashanddie | this is just fucking sick. This woman needs to be put down: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6584WO20100609 | 01:13 |
| tripzero | heh, i'm glad that didn't load... i saw the title and decided to close the window :P | 01:14 |
| mece | in the public key field in garage account maintenance, should the words ssh-rsa be included? | 01:16 |
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| lcukx200 | evening #maemo \o | 01:18 |
| lbt | o/ | 01:18 |
| satmd | crashanddie: best to deal with, not giving her the attention that motivates her :P | 01:19 |
| mece | lcukx200, hell-o | 01:20 |
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| mece | GAaaaHH | 01:25 |
| mece | Permission denied (publickey). Lost connection. <- makes me wanna do drugs. | 01:25 |
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| lcukx200 | hiya mece | 01:29 |
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| mece | hey. | 01:29 |
| mece | what's x200? | 01:29 |
| lcukx200 | lenovo laptop | 01:30 |
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| Macer | realized that i can survive with 2 desktops | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | Andetigo Subyrame Nikohuvy Lapofyton | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: now you need a new passphrase :-P | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that would be a terrible passphrase | 01:33 |
| mece | LOL | 01:33 |
| lcukx200 | im thinking he forgot his meds | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | n00bs | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope they are strong enough | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | an de ti go su by ra me ni ko hu vy la po fy ton | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | the digits :p | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, there's a medical term for that... | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | I'm studying -.- | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's even a Dr.House about it ;-D | 01:35 |
| mece | so.. can someone tell me how I run firefox on a remote computer that I have ssh access to? that's doable right. on linux. | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it Monk? | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | mece: ssh -X remotecomputer firefox | 01:36 |
| mece | luke-jr, ok thanks. will try that. | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | mece: unless you want it to appear on the local display | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | in that case, you need to be logged in locally, ssh, and run: DISPLAY=:0 firefox & | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | assuming your local display is :0 | 01:37 |
| mece | luke-jr, umm.. | 01:37 |
| nextime | mece : you need also X11Forwarding enabled on the ssh server side | 01:37 |
| mece | ok I have no idea. | 01:37 |
| mece | so what did the first one do? | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | mece: option A, more common, is to run the app on RemoteHost while it displays on the computer you connect from | 01:37 |
| mece | I need to see use firefox on the other computer, that is physically far away. | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | so Firefox would be running on RemoteHost, but you would see the window in front on you | 01:38 |
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| lcukx200 | mece, get bonoculars | 01:38 |
| lcukx200 | and a long stick to operate the keyboard | 01:38 |
| mece | I want to upload via firefox from the remote computer (which has super fast internet) | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | option B, Firefox both runs remotely, and displays on the monitor connected to the remote machine | 01:38 |
| mece | lcukx200, it's 10 km | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | mece: ok, go with ssh -X then | 01:38 |
| lcukx200 | mece, \sbinoculars\telescope\ | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | unless you want to physically go to the other computer to use it | 01:38 |
| lcukx200 | or whatever the syntax is | 01:38 |
| nextime | lcukx200 : maybe a good meade or celestron 14" telescope is better :) | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | lcukx200: fail | 01:39 |
| lcukx200 | not really luke-jr at least you recognised what i was trying to do :p | 01:39 |
| mece | hmm.. nothing much is happening.. | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | study tonal with me | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | :D | 01:40 |
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| lcukx200 | i found it already on wikipedia | 01:40 |
| jperez26 | hey eveyrone | 01:41 |
| jperez26 | quick question | 01:41 |
| jperez26 | i wanted to know about starup scripts | 01:41 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: Total wakeups: 2803, 93.4/s. | 01:41 |
| jperez26 | *startup | 01:41 |
| derf | That seems like an awful lot for a device in Offline Mode doing nothing but running powertop. | 01:41 |
| lcukx200 | derf whats taking the time | 01:42 |
| derf | tick_nohz_restart_sched_tick (tick_sched_timer) | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | lcukx200: really? how? | 01:43 |
| jperez26 | looking to have the x composition manager run at startup | 01:43 |
| derf | Which is, you know, not really informative. | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | I didn't think I gave enough info to find it on wikipedia XD | 01:43 |
| lcukx200 | luke-jr, your first delirium came up empty, but your second managed to find something relating to the author | 01:43 |
| lcukx200 | but it offered alternative suggestions on the spelling | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | aha | 01:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer defines this chan to be esperanto-only for lcuk | 01:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err luke-jr | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | only alternative allowed: inuktitut | 01:47 |
| derf | If I unplug the device, it goes down to 708, or 23.6/s. | 01:47 |
| derf | Which is still an awful lot. | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but please inuktitut on base16 then | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | '?' % 16 != 0; invalid char! XP | 01:52 |
| satmd | XP's fault :p | 01:53 |
| mece | aw fuck.. ok so this -X think is not working. I'll just use elinks | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wget? | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Imean in the end odds are your remote browser on that lighning fast box also delegates to wget for any download. So why not use it directly? | 02:03 |
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| luke-jr | mece: maybe try -Y | 02:15 |
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| mece | luke-jr, what does -Y do? | 02:18 |
| mece | using lynx, seems to work. I think. Atleast it's waiting for a respons at the upload dialogue.. takes a while for it to upload 230Mb I suppose, even if it is 100Mbps | 02:19 |
| mece | is there a good way to see if there is traffic on the server? | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | mece: -X, but less secure | 02:20 |
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| satmd | iirc it omits the cookie part of remote x11 | 02:22 |
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| luke-jr | satmd: I think you recall wrong | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | IIRC merely -X filters the protocol stream to known "safe" things | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | so you shouldn't have a remote system trying to take over your WM and such | 02:28 |
| satmd | hm | 02:28 |
| satmd | yeah, probably | 02:28 |
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| mece | 2:30 in the morning. damn. I need to get up in about 5 hours. Sigh. | 02:28 |
| mece | heey.. | 02:29 |
| mece | -Y worked! | 02:29 |
| mece | thanks luke-jr | 02:30 |
| mece | ok let's see how fast this computer can send 230Mb to maemo.org.. | 02:31 |
| mece | the problem might also have been that there was an instance of firefox running. | 02:31 |
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| mece | upload error, no repository selected. Wtf? | 02:32 |
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| mece | hmm wasn't a very long time. I think there is a size limit. Fine. I give up. | 02:33 |
| mece | good night. | 02:33 |
| mece | if I could get that stupid gaddamn ssh key thing to work it would be soooo easy. | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | znc anybody? | 03:07 |
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| woglinde | jo | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | woglinde: [464] Invalid Password Invalid | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is the correct way to connect to znc? | 03:23 |
| woglinde | what? | 03:23 |
| woglinde | what is zbc? | 03:23 |
| woglinde | ups znc | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, thought your "jo" was an answer to my query | 03:24 |
| woglinde | lol | 03:24 |
| woglinde | no | 03:24 |
| woglinde | which query btw.? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-12 02:07:11] <DocScrutinizer> znc anybody? | 03:24 |
| woglinde | wasnt here at this stage | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nvm | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (irc bouncer - just if you're curious) | 03:26 |
| woglinde | hm oh | 03:26 |
| woglinde | I dont use the stuff | 03:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | hi | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lo | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: wazzup? | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~status | 04:23 |
| infobot | Since Fri Jun 11 13:08:26 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 50 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 38 commands. I have been awake for 12h 15m 18s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 19464 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1316.63/75.18 child 0.13/0.09 | 04:23 |
| flailingmonkey | going to make a wiki page to collect some possible ways we might package and release updates to software that falls under the "firmware" releases | 04:24 |
| flailingmonkey | did mece get that filemanager package working? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 04:26 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:31 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | no morons at all? | 04:42 |
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| scibotic | Hi, I've been out of the loop for a while and I was wondering what the recommended firmware for n800 users is? | 05:26 |
| scibotic | I got a mobile phone I want to tether too and I figure I might as well take advantage of the larger screen for browsing. | 05:26 |
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| scibotic | Also most stable browser? | 05:31 |
| Milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/ broken? | 05:32 |
| Milhouse | blank page here in FF and Opera | 05:32 |
| vldcnst | Milhouse: negative | 05:32 |
| Milhouse | how odd | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | scibotic: N800 is pretty dead IMO :) | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | scibotic: but Gentoo does run on it | 05:34 |
| Milhouse | just tried it on FF Ubuntu (diff machine, obviously) and same - what is my ISP up to... | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | Milhouse: Maemo is dead, too | 05:34 |
| Milhouse | ok, so you have problems too? | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | it's a blank page | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | what more do you want from a dead project? | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | especially a news URI | 05:35 |
| Milhouse | i can access maemo.org, for me it's only maemo.org/news/ that is blank | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | news implies new | 05:36 |
| Milhouse | well maybe a blank news page is an accurate reflection... :) | 05:36 |
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| scibotic | luke-jr, So all about the MeeGo train then? | 05:46 |
| scibotic | aboard* | 05:46 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, lost data connection again. | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: moinmoin | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: actually you missed not a bit | 06:12 |
| GAN900 | Since about 4 hours ago? | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: seems all the world switched focus to some silly round object | 06:13 |
| GAN900 | Baseball? :D | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~50 lines since 4h ago | 06:13 |
| * GAN900 watched the Marlins beat the Ray 14-9 thanks to our Ace pitcher having a . . . rough night. | 06:14 | |
| GAN900 | Yeesh | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway there's livelogs ;-D | 06:14 |
| GAN900 | Any reply on the tracking info? | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 06:14 |
| GAN900 | There's scrollback on my Mac Pro in the studio, I'm just too lazy to go out there. | 06:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | managed to crank up znc | 06:15 |
| shorter | hey | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer2 | 06:15 |
| shorter | is it possible to plug a usb flash drive into a n900? | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:16 |
| shorter | like flash drive -> conversion cable -> small usb port | 06:16 |
| shorter | that would be mad l33t | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://h-e-n.garage.maemo.org http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post696115 | 06:17 |
| SpeedEvil | shorter: not yet | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but soonish | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227 | 06:18 |
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| shorter | wow, impressive | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah - lol | 06:20 |
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| shorter | I wonder if a usb mouse could wor | 06:20 |
| shorter | k | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 said it has issues with resolution | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | from one end of screen to the other in 2mm | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably needs some tweaking in xorg.conf [input] | 06:21 |
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| shorter | the maemo community is great | 06:22 |
| shorter | I guess that's FOSS! | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you think I'd do anything else? | 06:23 |
| shorter | with... your time/ | 06:24 |
| shorter | indeed, we are just organisms falling into our respective niches | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm notorious for pushing FOSS, so why would I do different when developing hostmode? | 06:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aiui it should be trivial to extract a bzImage from a .deb, and flash that via usb? | 06:31 |
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| luke-jr | scibotic: nah | 06:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | fairly, yes | 06:40 |
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| scibotic | Does anyone here know what a "chunk" is when using GPRS/Mobile internet? | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | in what context? | 06:54 |
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| scibotic | Billing, they say they bill per a 20kb chunk. Which usually means that if you only down 1kb, it's still going to be charge as 20kb down. | 06:55 |
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| scibotic | My question is, if I initiate the connection and I download 1kb, then download another 2kb a few seconds later, is that still part of the same "chunk" or are they seperate 20kb chunks? | 06:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | It varies per operator | 06:57 |
| scibotic | Well fuck. :/ | 06:57 |
| scibotic | It's an incredibly vague term to me, so I'm not sure how to interpret it. | 06:57 |
| Arkenoi | some even count every several minutes, so if you have almost no data flow, you are still being billed for several "minimal chunks" | 07:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Phone them. | 07:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Ask. | 07:06 |
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| scibotic | Can't phone them, they have a distinct lack of customer support. | 07:20 |
| scibotic | One of those super cheap garage companies that are selling what the carrier offers at as close to wholesale as they can make a profit off by keeping their running costs ridiculously low. | 07:20 |
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| shorter | why doesn't the n900 re-orientate the screen like many other phones when turned upright/sideways? | 07:22 |
| shorter | like in firefox? | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Some apps do. | 07:22 |
| shorter | fennec* | 07:22 |
| shorter | oh, I haven't used many yet I guess - I just mean the default ones | 07:23 |
| shorter | just expected it to be standard for most things | 07:23 |
| shorter | is it difficult/are they waiting to add more support for accelerometer integration? | 07:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a UI thing more. Writing two UIs | 07:25 |
| microlith | is there an incompatibility between PyQt and pynotify? | 07:27 |
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| Macer | blah | 07:36 |
| DocAvalanche | exactly | 07:40 |
| scibotic | Thank you for the help, I'll probably monitor my usage closely for the first week and see what turns up on the bill. | 07:42 |
| pupnik | growing food with n900 LEDs? | 07:44 |
| DocAvalanche | hehe | 07:44 |
| DocAvalanche | n8 | 07:45 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 07:51 |
| Macer | pupnik: i could see it now.. someone growing marijuana with an n900 | 07:52 |
| Macer | "Is there an iphone app for that bitch?!" | 07:52 |
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| pupnik | Macer: yes flashlight app | 07:53 |
| Macer | haha | 07:53 |
| Macer | pupnik: does iphone have an led cam flash? | 07:53 |
| pupnik | hmm | 07:53 |
| Macer | is that the new feature added to this years model? | 07:54 |
| Macer | like the compass? | 07:54 |
| Macer | :) | 07:54 |
| Macer | i loved the commercial "now with video" | 07:55 |
| Macer | welcome to 1999 | 07:55 |
| Macer | blah.. just something for the cattle | 07:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/zombeef.jpg Macer | 07:56 |
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| Macer | hahahaha | 08:00 |
| Macer | looks more like | 08:00 |
| Macer | cows of the damned | 08:00 |
| Macer | than zombies | 08:00 |
| Macer | bbl | 08:00 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 08:52 |
| ds3 | hmmmm | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | know any cheap (under $100) netbooks? | 08:54 |
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| ds3 | try punching holes in a copy of websters? :D | 08:54 |
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| luke-jr | ds3: wtf? | 08:55 |
| ds3 | the holes should turn that book into a net | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:55 |
| pupnik | gpodder on n810 takes most cpu just to download a file | 08:57 |
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| pupnik | ok that isnt true, but it is over 25 pct | 08:59 |
| ds3 | btw, anyone seen weirdness where the N900 thinks it is still connected to a WiFi AP even though the WiFi is miles away and it has been hours? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but did you upgrade to pr1.2? | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any ideas? :P | 08:59 |
| ds3 | not yet, no time to backup 16G | 08:59 |
| ds3 | and no time to figure out how to work the flasher with the N900 | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: ben nanonote? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 08:59 |
| ds3 | now if there was a really a peice meal OTA version.... | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: something that can browse the net and do video chat :p | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: n900 ;p | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: that's far far from cheap | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: considering the equipment in it .. it's fairly cheap :P | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | not really... <.< | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | and it's not a netbook in any case | 09:02 |
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| ds3 | does PR1.2 also solve the battery life issue? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i use it same way i'd use a netbook :P | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | replaces my laptop quite often | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: this is to be a lone computer | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | as in, no other computers for the person to use :p | 09:04 |
| ds3 | if it wasn't for the crappy USB setup, the N900 works fine as a lone computer | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | ds3: you forget super-tiny screen and keyboard | 09:05 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: that doesn't bother me | 09:06 |
| ds3 | about the only complaint with they screen is the smudging | 09:06 |
| ds3 | and the TV out takes care of the situations where I need to share stuf | 09:06 |
| ds3 | stuff | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | heh, TV out is only useful with a TV/monitor ;) | 09:07 |
| ds3 | or a projector | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | sure, but that's even MORE expensive | 09:07 |
| pupnik | hdmi out will be a sweet upgrade | 09:07 |
| ds3 | eh? | 09:07 |
| ds3 | I paid $80 for mine | 09:07 |
| pupnik | but tv out is nice | 09:07 |
| Surfa | ds3, and cheapest tv costs how much? | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | $80 for a projector? what? | 09:08 |
| Surfa | ds3, 1$? | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | last I checked they were thousands | 09:08 |
| ds3 | yes, $80 for a battery powered one | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | and hundreds for bulbs | 09:08 |
| ds3 | Surfa: too heavy | 09:08 |
| Surfa | ds3, i thought price was the question here | 09:08 |
| ds3 | I want portability and the N900 gives me that... if only it did Host + charging like the N800... | 09:09 |
| ds3 | the N900 is fast enough to play DVDs if it can only have a DVD drive hookedup | 09:09 |
| DocAvalanche | ds3: stay cool man | 09:10 |
| DocAvalanche | hostmode with charging coming soon | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | yeah, the question is a netbook for under $100, not a display for under $100 :p | 09:10 |
| ds3 | DocAvalanche: but no charging | 09:10 |
| DocAvalanche | uh? | 09:11 |
| ds3 | I saw sarahn's patches | 09:11 |
| DocAvalanche | so? | 09:11 |
| ds3 | it has a side effect of preventing charging | 09:11 |
| DocAvalanche | heh, nice find. Guess why we rework the kernel | 09:12 |
| ds3 | just one more jack is all it would have cost to get OTG + charging | 09:12 |
| DocAvalanche | WE DON'T NEED additional jack | 09:13 |
| DocAvalanche | hostmode with charging coming soon | 09:13 |
| DocAvalanche | which part of that didn't get thru? | 09:13 |
| ds3 | okay | 09:13 |
| ds3 | deliver it =) | 09:13 |
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| RST38h | "The Pentagon is desperately seeking the 'cooperation' of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in order to stop him from releasing over 250,000 pages of confidential foreign policy documents." | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Gets better daily | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't foreign policy be public anyway? | 09:20 |
| Surfa | no? | 09:21 |
| RST38h | it should be foreign. | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | haha | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | where does Julian live? | 09:21 |
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| luke-jr | they don't have copyright there? | 09:21 |
| Surfa | Julian Paul Assange is an Australian journalist | 09:21 |
| Surfa | ... | 09:21 |
| pupnik | he is still locked-up isnt he? | 09:21 |
| pupnik | oh founder | 09:21 |
| RST38h | He lives in .AU. Not a good place to live in THIS kind of sense | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | so why doesn't the Pentagon just threaten him with copyright infringement? | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Because this is not a copyight infringeent? | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | no? | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | how isn't it? | 09:22 |
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| pupnik | just listening to an interview with Daniel Ellsberg on the subject | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | he's copying their documents... | 09:23 |
| RST38h | But given that he is in AU, they will find something to blame him for | 09:23 |
| RST38h | Either he has not paid taxes, or got child pornography, or something else. Never been a problem. | 09:23 |
| pupnik | http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/06/09/daniel-ellsberg-8/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AntiwarRadio+%28Antiwar+Radio%29 | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: why isn't it copyright infringemnet? | 09:24 |
| RST38h | luke: Because copyright infringement has to be proven? | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:24 |
| pupnik | govt doesnt have copyright on war crimes | 09:25 |
| RST38h | And that requires examination of the documents? And attribution to a copyright holder? | 09:25 |
| Surfa | even that it was.. copyright infringements may not have enough scale of punishment for this :) | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | if he publishes Pentagon documents, that he admits are the Pentagon's documents, and he admits he doesn't have permission to publish them, hasn't he admitted to copyright infringement? | 09:25 |
| pupnik | there is no word for 'whistleblower' in german... | 09:25 |
| * RST38h isn't sure why luke-jr is so bent on copyright infringements | 09:25 | |
| luke-jr | RST38h: it's very clearly copyright infringement... | 09:26 |
| Surfa | totally unrelated this whole copyright discussion | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | can a state claim copyright on their documents? ;) | 09:26 |
| RST38h | There are, of course, other methods to silence a whistleblower. Way more reliable. | 09:26 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I suppose that would be a good question XD | 09:26 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: I am sure Germans never leak documents. That, after all, would violate a law! | 09:27 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: not in usa, afaik | 09:28 |
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| Termana | <luke-jr> they don't have copyright there? <-- you have to be joking right. We're about to have mandatory internet filters and you have to ask weather we have copyright :P | 10:24 |
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| xkr47-DI | hi, can somebody tell me what they have in /var/run/resolv.conf ? | 10:36 |
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| xkr47-DI | is it "nameserver 127.0.0.1" or something else ? | 10:36 |
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| arachnist | xkr47-DI: nothing else | 10:39 |
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| xkr47-DI | and, is /etc/resolv.conf a symling to somewhere or a plain file ? | 10:47 |
| pupnik | what OS | 10:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21 Feb 22 09:42 /etc/resolv.conf | 10:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a file | 10:52 |
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| RST38bis | somebody please /msg rst38bis test | 11:23 |
| jaska | test messaged | 11:24 |
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| dr34m | anybody got a working fish module yet for xchat on n900 ? | 11:24 |
| cure` | dunno, but it could use some plugins indeed | 11:25 |
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| cure` | media playing/sysinfo, the usual, looked around a few days ago but couldn't find anything | 11:26 |
| dr34m | yup maybe somebody can compile it for maemo ;p | 11:27 |
| cure` | i couldn't even find much linux python xchat stuff for anything | 11:29 |
| cure` | it must be out there tho | 11:29 |
| pupnik | irssi could use an audible bell :( | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, i'm seeing actual constructive discussion on tmo | 11:51 |
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| redeeman | hello, can someone tell me which file holds the configuration of the wifi stuff? i suspect something has gone wrong there | 12:39 |
| FauxFaux | It's in gconf. Ho ho ho. | 12:40 |
| redeeman | damn gconf | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 12:42 |
| redeeman | well i really dont like it :) | 12:42 |
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| FauxFaux | gconf the denier of information services. | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | neither do I | 12:44 |
| redeeman | ah well it seems to not be the n900 that fucks, seems my laptop cant find it either now :) | 12:45 |
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| kirma | on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor : "The main camera is a ET8EK8 by Toshiba. The datasheet for this part is not publicly available." ... and: http://www.gitorious.org/omap3camera/pages/Home : "The et8ek8 sensor driver datasheet is available at http://retiisi.dyndns.org/~sakke/foo/SMIA95_AF_camera%20module_APL_090511.doc" ... might someone update the wiki, as I can't? | 13:05 |
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| akshey | Hi, I heard that recent maemo5 update has added support for front camera also. Is that true? | 13:06 |
| kirma | depends on your definition of "support" | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | Skype and Google Video | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | why would they lie about it :P | 13:06 |
| kirma | it works. tried with gstreamer just half an hour ago. | 13:06 |
| kirma | but sensitivity us awful | 13:07 |
| kirma | is | 13:07 |
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| akshey | kirma and MohammadAG51, How can I update it? I can't see any updates from application manager. I am using the firmware for India. | 13:10 |
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| lcukx200 | akshey, the linux drivers for the camera have been there from day1 | 13:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | akshey, no idea about Indian fw | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | but I thought that doesn't have skype | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | aptitude is a b**** to compile | 13:11 |
| lcukx200 | mornin moh | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning lcukx200 | 13:12 |
| MiXu- | There isn't an application that you could use to operate the front camera for pictures etc. It's only for video calls or 3rd party apps. | 13:12 |
| akshey | lcukx200: I am talking not talking about the 5mp camera. I am talking about the camera for vdo conferencing | 13:12 |
| lcukx200 | MiXu-, ? | 13:12 |
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| MiXu- | lcukx200: Hm= | 13:13 |
| MiXu- | ? | 13:13 |
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| RST38h | You can operate front camera for pictures | 13:13 |
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| RST38h | If you really need to | 13:13 |
| RST38h | Both cameras are available as standard Video4Linux devices | 13:13 |
| lcukx200 | MiXu-, /dev/video0 | 13:13 |
| lcukx200 | MiXu-, /dev/video1 | 13:13 |
| RST38h | and hello, lcuk | 13:14 |
| lcukx200 | install healthcheck, it looks at them :D | 13:14 |
| lcukx200 | hiya RST38h | 13:14 |
| MiXu- | lcukx200, RST38h: That's not usable for 90% of people. | 13:14 |
| akshey | MiXu-: how can I test if it is working for vdo conferencing? | 13:14 |
| MiXu- | I was talking about an app. | 13:14 |
| MiXu- | akshey: Make a video call :) | 13:14 |
| lbt | duh | 13:14 |
| lcukx200 | MiXu-, neither is skydiving, but does not mean it doesnt exist | 13:14 |
| RST38h | screw 90% of people | 13:14 |
| MiXu- | lcukx200: I didn't say it's not possible. I just said there isn't an app (by default) that would do it. | 13:15 |
| MiXu- | 3rd party stuff is another story as I said. | 13:15 |
| lcukx200 | perhaps a filesystem branch for the 10% of users should be made | 13:15 |
| akshey | MiXu-: How do i make a video call? Cant see any such option :( | 13:15 |
| MiXu- | I haven't tried it. But if you make a gtalk voip call there should be an option to enable video afaik. | 13:16 |
| LiraNuna | akshey, you need skype or google talk | 13:16 |
| lbt | akshey: do you have PR1.2? | 13:16 |
| LiraNuna | and the other side should have a video camera as well | 13:16 |
| MiXu- | yep | 13:16 |
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| akshey | lbt: PR ? | 13:17 |
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| LiraNuna | public release | 13:17 |
| lbt | latest update to Maemo | 13:17 |
| RST38h | lbt: he does not | 13:17 |
| akshey | I installed this one: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin | 13:17 |
| MiXu- | Yeah, that's PR1.2 | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | Indian version though, not the same one we have | 13:18 |
| lbt | ah... may make a difference | 13:18 |
| akshey | While using US version it was asking me to update but when I installed Indian one, it is not asking | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | cool, another step forward in aptitude compilation | 13:19 |
| MiXu- | I'd be surprised if video calls were missing from the indian version | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | skype's missing :P | 13:19 |
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| MiXu- | Oh :o | 13:19 |
| MiXu- | But why :o | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | f*** yes! | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | aptitude compiled | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | err, Segmentation Fault | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | xDD | 13:21 |
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| lbt | MohammadAG51: :) | 13:21 |
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| lcukx200 | MohammadAG51, nice | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Ok, I have uploaded the latest HydroCarbon theme to the Extras-Devel | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Give it a try. | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | qemu segfaulted btw, aptitude worked :P | 13:22 |
| lcukx200 | RST38h, this hydrocarbon theme does not create plumes on surrounding desktops does it? | 13:23 |
| * lcukx200 writes a top-kill theme | 13:23 | |
| MohammadAG51 | whatever happened to live-wp development | 13:23 |
| * SpeedEvil pumps golf-balls into lcukx200. | 13:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: see xsnow. | 13:23 |
| lcukx200 | SpeedEvil, arghhhh | 13:24 |
| lcukx200 | the methane escaping from me is all ummm natural gas | 13:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | who needs documentation when docpurge purges it | 13:24 |
| * MohammadAG51 strips debian/rules | 13:24 | |
| lcukx200 | MohammadAG51, dont! | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | Already did | 13:25 |
| lcukx200 | clearing off the documentation makes a ballache later | 13:25 |
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| lcukx200 | when someone has to figure out how to turn it back on again ;) | 13:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, although it has managed to drive joppu mad | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcukx200, oh, I just commented it out anyways :P | 13:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | it uses qt3 | 13:29 |
| * MohammadAG51 comments out | 13:29 | |
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| chadi | Hello. I have downloaded and set up scratchbox, now I downloaded the source code of an app (QtIrreco) inside scratchbox, extracted, then "make". I get the following: | 13:30 |
| chadi | make: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-gles2/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | configure it first | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | qmake I guess | 13:31 |
| chadi | is qmake a command? | 13:32 |
| chadi | bash: qmake: command not found | 13:32 |
| LiraNuna | chadi, you need the Qt dev kit | 13:33 |
| LiraNuna | oh, wait - scratchbox | 13:33 |
| chadi | yea, and there is a pro file. | 13:34 |
| chadi | do I need qt4-dev? | 13:35 |
| chadi | libqt4-dev that is | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | just do a dpkg-buildpackage -b and see what packages it needs | 13:36 |
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| chadi | exactly: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev | 13:36 |
| chadi | :) | 13:36 |
| lcukx200 | "apt-get build-dep qtirreco" should just work? | 13:36 |
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| lcukx200 | with a bit of instally bit | 13:37 |
| chadi | Downloading libqt4-dev right now, let's see if it helps :) | 13:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcukx200, well, build depends can be more than depends :) | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | i.e -dev packages, and the such | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | compiling cwidget | 13:38 |
| lcukx200 | course MohammadAG51 | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | Might get this into -devel after all | 13:38 |
| lcukx200 | thats what the build-dep bit is for | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcukx200, well, those packages don't install by installing the package itself | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | don't you just love it when text scrolls while compiling | 13:39 |
| lcukx200 | ? MohammadAG51 | 13:40 |
| lcukx200 | dont worry | 13:41 |
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| chadi | are pyton apps also developed in scrathbox or that is not neccesary? | 13:42 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG51, dpkg-buildpackage -b does a make too in case no problems found? | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG | \o/ http://i46.tinypic.com/96aoht.jpg | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | aptitude | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 14:00 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG, what's after fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b? | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, depends on what you're doing | 14:02 |
| chadi | i wanna launch it :D | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | why not just install qtirreco from the repos... | 14:03 |
| chadi | I have a problem that I am trying to debug, for now I wanna compile the source code as it is, later I'll modify it | 14:03 |
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| pupnik | it should be in the directory in binary form | 14:05 |
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| chadi | but make did nto work | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | did dpkg-buildpackage work? | 14:06 |
| chadi | yeah, but it gave an optifying error at the end | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | and you can't launch GUIs in the ARMEL target | 14:06 |
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| chadi | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} | 14:07 |
| chadi | maemo-optify | 14:07 |
| chadi | make: maemo-optify: Command not found | 14:07 |
| chadi | make: *** [binary-arch] Error 127 | 14:07 |
| chadi | fine, let me go in x86 | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install maemo-optify | 14:07 |
| chadi | couldn't find package | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | Riiight... did you add -devel? | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | aptitude, which section would it be more sutiable in, user/utilities or user/system? | 14:08 |
| chadi | nope | 14:08 |
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| chadi | utilities i'd say | 14:09 |
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| pupnik | openpandora user can set lcd refresh to 50/ or 60 hz | 14:12 |
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| mord | kuusiokolojahanne, vaihtasi torxeihin | 14:20 |
| mord | eek. sorry wron chan | 14:20 |
| mord | wrong* | 14:20 |
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| Treibholz | damn! The dependencies in the SDK are broken and I cannot install it... | 14:23 |
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| MohammadAG | :/ | 14:38 |
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| MohammadAG | I have to wait two imports to upload a damn package | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | package depends on a dependency, which depends on another one | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | lol crashanddie (football post) | 14:39 |
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| chadi | I tried installing qtirreco from the repos, it worked by lirc did not installing, saying: | 15:13 |
| chadi | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb (--unpack): | error creating pipe `./dev/lircm': Permission denied | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 15:13 |
| chadi | Errors were encountered while processing: | /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 15:13 |
| chadi | it worked but* lirc did not install* | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | you forgot fakeroot | 15:16 |
| Treibholz | is it possible, the dependencies in the SDK are totally messed up? | 15:17 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG, no I did not | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: around? | 15:20 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG, it even refuses to install in xephyr | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | use the chroot terminal | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | (scratchbox) | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | I need some names/ideas for something: I have a set-top-box that I want to hide, I also have a couple of playstations that I want to hide. Playstation uses bluetooth so no need to have line of sight, but the set-top-box uses IR remote, so I need to have line of sight or some IR transmitter that I could build into the drawer where everything will be in | 15:21 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, they sell IR retransmitters. | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | yeah, names, google isn't helping at the moment | 15:22 |
| yanu | crashanddie: there are IR-recievers that passtrough the signal back to ir | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can enable coredumps in Maemo5? | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | yanu: do you have a name? | 15:26 |
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| id2380dnasid | Hi? | 15:27 |
| ecksun | crashanddie, there is a harmony remote that have a rf to ir converter | 15:27 |
| GAN900 | crash | 15:27 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, I know smarthome.com has some listed. | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | ecksun: yeah, don't want that | 15:27 |
| ecksun | crashanddie, it would solve your problem though ;) | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | ecksun: not likely. Not a standard remote and not supported by universal remote controls | 15:28 |
| ecksun | I know where you can by some in sweden, however i dont know how that willl help you | 15:28 |
| ecksun | harmony supports everything | 15:28 |
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| ecksun | otherwise you can just ask them to add the support and they will do it | 15:29 |
| ecksun | http://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=147601748 doesnt help you, does it? | 15:29 |
| yanu | crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=infrared+repeater+remote+control+vcr&btnG=Google+Search | 15:30 |
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| ecksun | crashanddie, how about Digiality IR Bender | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Anyone? | 15:31 |
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| Treibholz | http://tmp.uxix.de/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log | 15:35 |
| Treibholz | what am I doing wrong? | 15:35 |
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| benno2 | Hi, I'm trying to make an icon for a maemo app but the icon does not appear in the application list. I followed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application any idea how to make it work? thanks | 15:36 |
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| zaheerm-lp | luke-jr, not when it is based on false pretenses | 15:47 |
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| zaheerm-lp | luke-jr, sorry, replying to something from hours ago | 15:47 |
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| ZogG | вщ ш туув ещ гьщгте ыщьурщцук ьшскщЫв иуащку ефлштп ше щге( еру зрщту шы щт) | 15:49 |
| ZogG | damn | 15:49 |
| ZogG | do i need to umount mocrosd before taking it out if the phone is on? | 15:50 |
| RST38h | that has been unicode, apparently... | 15:50 |
| RST38h | yes, you do. | 15:50 |
| ZogG | RST38h what is the mount point | 15:50 |
| ZogG | and it is unicode but still jebrish as i tried to type in english | 15:51 |
| ZogG | just wrong layout =) | 15:51 |
| RST38h | /media/mmc1 ? | 15:51 |
| ZogG | it wasn't mounted =) | 15:52 |
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| MiXu- | You don't need to unmount manually | 15:53 |
| MiXu- | It gets unmounted if you remove the back cover | 15:53 |
| MiXu- | There's a magnet + a sensor that detects when the cover is removed | 15:54 |
| kW_ | Hello! Is there some documentation how to completely re-build a N900 Maemo distribution as it is preinstalled? I've already compiled the kernel, but how do I create userspace-images? | 15:54 |
| MiXu- | What is it you're trying to achieve? | 15:54 |
| kW_ | MiXu-: my objective is an encrypted root file system | 15:55 |
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| MiXu- | Ah. Can't help with that then. :) | 15:55 |
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| kW_ | MiXu-: which effectively means that I'll have two maemo userspace instances, one for booting and entering the passphrase, and the other one which is actually encrypted | 15:55 |
| kW_ | MiXu-: I did this before with openmoko, it is not really difficult | 15:56 |
| MiXu- | Isn't it enough if you encrypt all user data? :) | 15:56 |
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| kW_ | MiXu-: well, if it is ensured that "all user data" lies within a certain directory in the VFS directory tree? | 15:57 |
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| MiXu- | Not sure about that | 15:57 |
| kW_ | MiXu-: typically, files are written here and there (e.g. some configuration changes are reflected in /etc, some log files are stored in /var or /var/log ...) | 15:57 |
| kW_ | I have to measure the speed difference, though. If it is too slow, then I may do the work and try to find out all places which are modified. | 15:58 |
| MiXu- | Most user data is under /home | 15:59 |
| kW_ | But nevertheless, I need to be able to rebuild the image (or a comparable image) as it is originally installed in N900 devices you buy. | 15:59 |
| MiXu- | There's a 2GB partition that's mounted as /home which should hold all contacts, sms, etc. | 15:59 |
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| kW_ | Well, I do see this. | 16:01 |
| kW_ | it is a good starting point | 16:02 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, steadicam is here. | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | which one? | 16:03 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, dunno, didn't order it. | 16:05 |
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| Lazy^ | Hello, can someone post me link to wiki to instructions how to tell apt-get to use different cache. Since i cant upgrade to 1.2 since low diskspace.. and i have only 1 app installed | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: going to have fun with it? | 16:08 |
| felipec | X-Fade: did the PR1.x dependency bug get fixed? | 16:08 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, hell yes. | 16:10 |
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| clasificado | hi all | 16:10 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: you'll have to show me some footage | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: secure it in your car and drive around :P | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: Maybe it's linked from | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 16:11 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: attach it on the backseat, and give it a spin, then go driving, enjoy 360 degree views | 16:11 |
| clasificado | hi all | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices? | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Sounds unlikely. | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | s/?/ right?/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51 meant: hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices right? | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Still sounds unlikely. | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | k, i'll set it to armel only | 16:12 |
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| clasificado | hi guys, what are you doing? im trying to compile the hid-apple module but im a noob with that, so its uber-fun :P | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | lol... "Wireless external DVD burner. USB lead included" | 16:17 |
| Lazy^ | SpeedEvil: hehe, not flashing.. i mean upgrading =) Someone sayed that there is way to give more cache-space for apt | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | Lazy^: "said" | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Anyone used OpenGLES? | 16:17 |
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| Lazy^ | "said" ;) | 16:18 |
| clasificado | OpenGLES, not yet. too much math | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, grammar nazi | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I thought you'd be one to like nazis | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, did I complain? | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | :P | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | (I think we just shocked the hell out of anyone who isn't completely perverted) | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | I swear if this build fails I'm nuking the autobuilder | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: oops | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | GAN900 & timeless: you guys use an external dvd writer? I have a macbook (unibody first gen) that has a broken cd player. recommendations? | 16:25 |
| Lazy^ | anyway, i did find that link... | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: have you disabled all repos apart from nokia? | 16:25 |
| Lazy^ | yep | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm | 16:25 |
| Lazy^ | but maybe moving apt-cache is the solution... | 16:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: What space do you have? | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, get a cheap one off the interwebs? | 16:26 |
| GAN900 | and, WTF, since when does Maemo do autocorrection? | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: the cheap ones I see in the area around me are reported to not work with macs | 16:27 |
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| GAN900 | Ah | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I use an external writer | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | it's a USB-only one, so it's kinda slow | 16:27 |
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| MohammadAG | but my laptop doesn't have an internal drive so... | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | I have a MacAlly enclosure with some DVD writer or other in it. | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | From 2005 or so. | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall some proto-app to get the n900 to appear as a CD player | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: the axel is bent, if you insert a CD it scratches it against the inside of the computer | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: and macs (especially the unibody) are notorious for being hard to open. It's not my computer either, so not going to mess with it | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, http://www.overclockersonline.net/reviews/50002601/ | 16:29 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: works under osx? | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, drivers use generic drives afaik, it 'works' with my N900 | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | drives* | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | drivers* | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | swap both terms | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | meh, true, plug and pray right. I'll just go pick up something at the local shop and go yelling if it doesn't work | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | works most the times (yelling part) | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | *yawn* | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | it's alive! | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | you're sure? me not | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 16:34 |
| Lazy^ | SpeedEvil: rootfs 63.8mb | 16:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: That's plenty | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: I had IIRC 55M before updating. You're on 1.1.1? | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: what exact error message do you get? | 16:36 |
| Lazy^ | heh, it's still complaining about the space... | 16:36 |
| Lazy^ | sec | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | who said aptitude wouldn't run http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/ | 16:36 |
| benno2 | Any idea how I can see the same fonts in maemo5 scratchbox as on the N900 ? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG, you evil repo spammer | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | should be, nokia fonts are installed | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, muhahahaha | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if I removed the rm -rf from the postinst script | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 16:38 |
| Lazy^ | SpeedEvil: yes, 1.1.1 | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Thanks for the sensible comment on the Chromium thing. Much appreciated. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Lazy^: It should certainly not fail wwiht lack of space with 65M IIRC | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: I wish things were sane. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: And just by holding up clear proof, this sort of thing would go away. | 16:39 |
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| Lazy^ | but it does.. .) App-manager says that i should pc-suite. pc-suite flips outs.. apt-get distupgrade fails also | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | But - ... | 16:39 |
| benno2 | Stskeeps, I tried af-sb-init.sh start on both X86 and ARMEL targets but I get a lot of errors, like qemu not found etc. but starting my app standalone with Xephyr running works. just I don't see the maemo desktop. any idea ? | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: If wishes were horses... | 16:40 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: Mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.11/ :D | 16:40 |
| * SpeedEvil looks up horse recipies. | 16:40 | |
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| * lbt goes back to building the maemo obs | 16:42 | |
| lbt | X-Fade: are we ready to get any trial users on there yet? | 16:42 |
| benno2 | I installed maemo5 sdk a few days ago, did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade is this enough to update to the PR 1.2 SDK or do I need to perform apt-get dist-upgrade ? dist-upgrade wants to install only 1.6MB of archives, bsdutils, e2fsprogs etc. any idea? thanks | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | lol it keeps segfaulting | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, yummy, grilled horse | 16:50 |
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| kW_ | Are there any experienced n900 hackers here? | 16:52 |
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| MiXu- | Try the talk.maemo.org forum | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, KOR 2 - 0 GRE XP | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, good | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | kW_: for what? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | less kor than gre around here | 16:57 |
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| kW_ | SpeedEvil: Well, I want to rebuild the software on the N900 from source (e.g. kernel, initfs, rootfs, ...). I've already succeeded with the kernel, but I do not know how to build a rootfs (e.g. out of a scratchbox instance). | 16:59 |
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| MohammadAG | well, at least aptitude can do an apt-get update :S | 17:00 |
| kW_ | (I'm aware that "source" may well mean to add some "nokia-binaries", but that's fine.) | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not used scrachbox - so am unaware if it can do 'make world'\ | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | LOL I got a framebuffer console in maemo | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | idk how | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo-devel aslo | 17:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Some of the third party kernels enable it | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, inside Maemo? not that I recall | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Noma: ctrl-alt-F1? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | plus I'm not using third party kernels | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Odd - I diddn't think that it had fbcon compiled in | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | a hoax, MohammadAG prolly doen't even know what kernel is on his dev atm XP | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | /kick DocScrutinizer you hurt my feelings | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | :-P | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | noma? you see... :-S ETAB | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: ctrl-alt-F1? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | someone install aptitude and see if it segfaults for them | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | I can't see any reason it would segfault, other than Nokia fscking around with apt-utils | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | gdb is your friend | 17:06 |
| clasificado | i can do it | 17:06 |
| clasificado | where it is? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | -devel | 17:06 |
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| MohammadAG | wow | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | one goal already | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | xDDDD | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | It's bad to lock the N900 at 100% right? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | what about 10x that? :P Load average: 9.86 8.56 5.03 | 17:08 |
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| clasificado | -devel repos is big :P | 17:10 |
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| Mece | argentina is looking pretty good. | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, feels like futurama. The space bees are loose - run!! | 17:32 |
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| MiXu-_ | Is there a way to see how many times a certain package has been downloadded from extras? | 17:41 |
| MiXu-_ | extras-devel actually | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | yes | 17:46 |
| GAN900 | MiXu-_, http://downloads.maemo.org | 17:47 |
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| clasificado | im argentinian :D 1st half done | 17:48 |
| fureddo | I think it's only for extras though, not extras-devel. | 17:48 |
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| clasificado | hey mohammadag, i have aptitude and sigsegv, both in one package :P | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | lol what | 17:50 |
| clasificado | sorry, let me try again | 17:50 |
| clasificado | ive installed your aptitude | 17:50 |
| clasificado | and my output is "Ouch! Get SIGSEGV, dying..." | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | did you run it as root? | 17:51 |
| clasificado | yep | 17:51 |
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| Mece | heyoo | 18:08 |
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| Mece | oops | 18:08 |
| Mece | MohammadAG51, thanks for fixing the pelota widget | 18:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Mece np :P | 18:13 |
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| fureddo | Is there anyone here who was using QStardict and cannot use it anymore since PR1.2? I have resubmitted a new version in extras-devel and would like to know if it works now. Anyone can test it and report? | 18:18 |
| fureddo | The name is qstardict_0.13.2-3fb. | 18:18 |
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| fureddo | I have no device so cannot test it myself. | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | fureddo: What is the problem? | 18:29 |
| felipec | anyone knows how to make g_log actually print something? | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | fureddo: qstar!=mstar? | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Downloading | 18:30 |
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| fureddo | SpeedEvil, qstar != mstar. That is correct. It's 2 different apps. | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It starts and does not immediately crash | 18:32 |
| fureddo | That's a good. | 18:32 |
| fureddo | The problem is explained here: | 18:32 |
| fureddo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=709715&postcount=176 | 18:32 |
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| fureddo | SpeedEvil, You will have to download and install a dictionary. | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config"" - appearing on the console when I try to tick the plugin | 18:34 |
| fureddo | Ah ok. | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this related to a dictionary? | 18:34 |
| fureddo | So most probably that the problem is still there. | 18:35 |
| fureddo | I wonder... Did you have the previous version installed before installing the new version? | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | No - no qstardict - I did have mstardict | 18:36 |
| fureddo | Ok. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 18:36 |
| fureddo | You can try to install a dictionary and use it. | 18:36 |
| fureddo | Dictionaries from mstar are supposed to be compatible with qstar. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | hadn't got that setup either | 18:37 |
| fureddo | I think you can copy one of them in $HOME/.stardict/dic directory. | 18:37 |
| fureddo | Ah ok. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a nice page on how to setup the dicts? | 18:37 |
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| fureddo | Yes, here... | 18:37 |
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| fureddo | http://wiki.qstardict.ylsoftware.com/Dictionaries_installation | 18:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | downloading | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suspect you know it would be nice to have some nice automagic way to do this. | 18:42 |
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| fureddo | Probably. But I think maybe not actually. Of course, it's a hassle. But if all applications have their own dowload manager for installing data, that would clutter all the applications and take more space needlessly. | 18:43 |
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| fureddo | So, I don't know... Of course, in the future, we will have plenty of space on these devices but for now, the space is limited. | 18:44 |
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| ManoftheSea | what's a hassle? | 18:46 |
| ManoftheSea | the app store? | 18:46 |
| fureddo | trouble | 18:46 |
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| fureddo | disturbance, annoyance | 18:46 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 18:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | Where does the browser put downloaded files.. | 18:47 |
| fureddo | No idea | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Mydocs/.documents | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | How deeply obvious. | 18:47 |
| fureddo | Home directory? or desktop? or Documents & Settings/home/My Documents/My Received Files/endOfTheWorld | 18:47 |
| fureddo | :-) | 18:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | And of course - busybox tar doesn't know bz | 18:49 |
| fureddo | Yeah, I thought so. There was a lot of complains about how difficult it can be to install those dict files. | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ls -l .stardict/dic/ | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Jun 12 16:49 stardict-English_French-2.4.2 | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | that look sane? | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | i removed /bin/tar and symlinked /usr/bin/gnu/tar to it | 18:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | fureddo: ls -l .stardict/dic/* | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 482640 Jan 30 2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.dict.dz | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 768420 Jan 30 2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.idx | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 217 Jan 30 2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.ifo | 18:53 |
| fureddo | Yes, it looks good | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I tried moving them back a dir - when it diddn't pick them up | 18:53 |
| fureddo | No... I think you must have a directory named with the dict. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 18:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fixed that - they are now in a subdir - ~/.stardict/dic/stardict-English_French-2.4. | 18:55 |
| fureddo | Looks better. | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And I go to configure, click 'dictionaries - and get what appears to be an empty list | 18:55 |
| fureddo | Have you checked the stardict plugins? | 18:56 |
| fureddo | You may have to restart the application too. | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 18:56 |
| fureddo | Can you check it? | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Oh fuck...glColorPointer() apparently does not like integer color components | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | the 'i' and spanner do nothing on the settings page - just tick and dismiss the window? | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: that's because you didn't read the friendly manual | 18:57 |
| fureddo | If you select stardict plugin, can you click the wrench button? | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 18:57 |
| fureddo | Then the bug is still there. | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | It lights up, then dims as soon as I touch it to the same as it looked before. | 18:58 |
| fureddo | Most probably. | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Would strace be of use? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: URL of the friendly manual? | 18:58 |
| fureddo | Maybe. | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | http://www.khronos.org/opengles/documentation/opengles1_0/html/glColorPointer.html | 18:58 |
| fureddo | But I think that the previous error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config" | 18:59 |
| RST38h | oh fuck | 18:59 |
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| fureddo | means something... | 18:59 |
| RST38h | it does not take GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE either though | 18:59 |
| fureddo | For someone :-) | 18:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | fureddo: http://www.mauve.plus.com/qs - strace - in a few mins when it's finished uploading | 19:00 |
| fureddo | Ok | 19:00 |
| fureddo | Tell me when it's done. | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok - gzip is more sane | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | qs.gz | 19:02 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: what's the problem? | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | up in 5s | 19:02 |
| fureddo | I think it's a Qt bug. | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | WRT what? | 19:02 |
| jacekowski | bzip2 or lzm | 19:02 |
| jacekowski | lzma | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I just cut through the lead of my hedgetrimmer | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think that's directly related though | 19:03 |
| jacekowski | well, the software problem | 19:03 |
| jacekowski | not your home problems | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | IT wouldn't undo a bz2 | 19:04 |
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| jacekowski | your hedge trimmer? | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 19:05 |
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| inz | SpeedEvil, are you sure you escaped it enough? | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | I wonder what would've happened if he type s/\/\/ | 19:06 |
| inz | Too late now ;) | 19:07 |
| jacekowski | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:07 |
| jacekowski | s/\/\/ | 19:07 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\... | 19:07 |
| jacekowski | s/\/\/g | 19:07 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\... | 19:07 |
| inz | Just as I guessed. | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | oops | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | i meant s/\/// | 19:07 |
| inz | The "regex" engine in infobot is far from regex =) | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | s/\/// | 19:08 |
| satmd | stop it please | 19:08 |
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| l0up | dudes | 19:08 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 19:08 |
| jacekowski | let's be adult | 19:08 |
| * MohammadAG51 switches to sed | 19:08 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Sigh | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It was me putting my soldering iron down on my keyboard | 19:09 |
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| crashanddie | \\\ | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | s/\//\// | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | infobot: you serve nothing | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | or maybe it does... | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama is for 3g and gazoo for 2g? | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | \\\ | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | s/\\/\// | 19:12 |
| korhojoa | crashanddie: why would you do that? | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | osomebody fucked up the bot | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 19:13 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | ~rape jacekowski | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | no | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | oh :( | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | ~nuke jacekowski | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: she's ignoring you | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | why? | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | she can sense bad people | 19:13 |
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| crashanddie | s/?/!/ | 19:13 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: why! | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | fail | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~commands | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~help | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~unlobotomy | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | god dayum | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~facstats | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~factstats | 19:15 |
| korhojoa | wellthen | 19:15 |
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| crashanddie | TALK | 19:23 |
| * MohammadAG51 talks | 19:24 | |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, I've forgot the password to the device, it's not locked, I got root privs, I just forgot the password - can I change it? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | the root pass? | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | just type passwd | 19:27 |
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| LuciusMare | No, the pass that is asked for at locked screen | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | didn't you ask about it the other day? | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | And I said search for a method by qwerty12 | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I second on that | 19:31 |
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| jacekowski | and i do | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | anything good on telly tonight | 19:37 |
| * satmd had a fun idea (and posted it to the wrong channel) | 19:37 | |
| satmd | I sit in a thunder and wondered if my n900 could calculate the distance for me | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: england vs usa | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | yeah i saw that was on crashanddie | 19:38 |
| lcuk | but i did say anythin good ;) | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | kids! | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I think the queen should bet with obama. If England wins, they start using -ise and more u's in their words. If USA wins, we start using -ize and remove all of our scrabble-cheating u's, h's and g's. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/ | 19:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/g | 19:39 |
| lcuk | if its a draw, we all pitch in and go cleanup the oil | 19:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer2 meant: \ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\\ll\\l\ll\\\ | 19:39 |
| Appiah | haha | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: sure, I'm happy to be neither part of the US or UK then :D | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going to the shops, 'later | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | satmd: we had that topic. It seems you need to exploit the camera to detect the lightning | 19:42 |
| frals | lcuk: i ate at your favorite pizzereia yesterday ;D | 19:42 |
| satmd | :( | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | satmd: and of course mic and sw audio analysis to detect the arrival of thunder | 19:42 |
| satmd | :) | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, the world cup is good :P | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | or you simply create a stopwatch that counts 333/s | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | last game was lulz | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | satmd: you *might* check if you can exploit the FMRX to detect nearby lightning EM | 19:44 |
| satmd | hm | 19:44 |
| Mece | MohammadAG51, who are you cheering for? | 19:44 |
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| DrGrov | Where can I see the new themes for N900? | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | on an empty (silent) channel it might work | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Mece, USA, to annoy a certain english fan :P | 19:45 |
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| fureddo | SpeedEvil, I must go to bed now. It's almost 2am here. I will take a look to the strace tomorrow. Bye! | 19:45 |
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| Mece | MohammadAG51, LOL. though I meant in general. | 19:46 |
| fureddo | SpeedEvil, Thanks for your time. | 19:47 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG: any way to find themes for the N900 from reliable sources? | 19:48 |
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| jacekowski | DIY | 19:48 |
| SmokeyD | hey everyone, I am trying to connect to openvpn from my n900, but when I press "connect" the phone waits a few secs and then alerts "socket.connect() failed". | 19:48 |
| SmokeyD | any ideas what's wrong? | 19:49 |
| BCMM | DrGrov: ovi store or app manager | 19:49 |
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| BCMM | DrGrov: and why did you highlight MohammadAG? | 19:50 |
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| DrGrov | BCMM: ah ok. i highlight MohammadAG since he is always been very kind and helpful. | 19:50 |
| BCMM | imho app manager should have a catagory for themes, but it doesn't | 19:51 |
| MiXu-_ | I agree | 19:51 |
| MiXu-_ | In my opinion app manager is the worst app of N900 right after the RSS reader | 19:51 |
| BCMM | you can search for themes though, or list the catagory they are in (i forget which one - "Desktop"?) by size | 19:51 |
| DrGrov | BCMM: agreed | 19:51 |
| BCMM | the themes are all huge | 19:51 |
| BCMM | also, i dunno where list by size has gone in 1.2 | 19:52 |
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| MiXu-_ | The fact that it's only a GUI for apt is a bit disappointing. | 19:52 |
| BCMM | DrGrov: anyway, there is a section on ovi store | 19:52 |
| BCMM | MiXu-_: well, what else does it need to do? | 19:53 |
| MiXu-_ | BCMM: If you've got a lot of repos it is painfully slow | 19:53 |
| BCMM | is list by size entirely gone in 1.2? | 19:53 |
| MiXu-_ | take a look at appdownloader in extras | 19:53 |
| MiXu-_ | That's much better. | 19:53 |
| BCMM | i mean, it's not a big deal for install, but it's very useful for uninstalling | 19:53 |
| BCMM | MiXu-_: is that an alternative apt frontend? | 19:54 |
| MiXu-_ | Don't know about that. | 19:54 |
| MiXu-_ | BCMM: No. It's a extras frontend. | 19:54 |
| MiXu-_ | Technical stuff aside, it's much more user friendly. | 19:54 |
| MiXu-_ | And you can actually see comments/screenshots/whatnot about the app in question. | 19:54 |
| MiXu-_ | Plus it's much snappier. | 19:55 |
| BCMM | snappier is a gooooood thing | 19:55 |
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| BCMM | i feel like it got slower in 1.2, but am not entirely sure | 19:55 |
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| DrGrov | BCMM: good though i really hate ovi store. | 19:56 |
| DrGrov | I am trying to find something extremely useful for my N900 | 19:57 |
| DrGrov | Trying to customize it perfectly for my needs but I can not seem to get it done | 19:57 |
| MiXu-_ | Have you tried extras-testing and extras-devel? | 19:58 |
| DrGrov | I just keep my fiancee, Conversations and Phone as shortcuts available on the desktop. | 19:58 |
| DrGrov | No, I maybe should really start to do this ;) | 19:58 |
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| DrGrov | MiXu-_: It feels like something is kind of "missing" on my current setup | 19:58 |
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| BCMM | you need a little desktop button that makes the thing go "beep" | 20:01 |
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| Mece | DrGrov, well, as a reference, I've got 14 contacts, 21 shortcuts, widgets: calendar, personal ip, media player, transmitter, comic widget and world cup widget. | 20:03 |
| Mece | it's crowded but not cramped :-) | 20:04 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 20:04 |
| MiXu- | I've got the facebook app as well. Although it is pretty useless. | 20:06 |
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| MiXu- | It should at least be scrollable and you should be able to post stuff. | 20:07 |
| MiXu- | I use mauku for posting now. | 20:07 |
| BCMM | yeah, glorified RSS reader | 20:07 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i wished There was an official FB and twitter app | 20:08 |
| xDaReaperx | for maemo | 20:08 |
| MiXu- | mauku is pretty good for twitter | 20:08 |
| MiXu- | I have no complaints | 20:08 |
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| xDaReaperx | wat about witter and tweego | 20:09 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone got iodine and DNS tunnelling working on Maemo 5? | 20:15 |
| Mece | I use witter. I need the features. | 20:15 |
| konfoo | guys anyone built gstreamer for maemo bleeding edge with rtsp support? | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | frals lol | 20:31 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, mmm kinda | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, pregame started, kick off is 58 mins from now | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | USA vs England | 20:32 |
| * lcuk rolleyes | 20:32 | |
| lcuk | ill find out the score anyway whether i watch it or not | 20:32 |
| Mece | FTW! | 20:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, it's the fake stuff that's fun | 20:32 |
| lcuk | but i think i best had vanish, i can at least do some lounging around | 20:32 |
| lcuk | what fake stuff? | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | like when a player dives face forward into the ground to get a foul | 20:33 |
| lcuk | the only shocking thing ive heard so far are those damned air horns | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | seen that twice | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, they sound like a huge bee hive | 20:33 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: england is bad | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: but not that bad | 20:38 |
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| jacekowski | what would be simplest way of veryfing if phone is really charging? | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | touch the metal cable and see if you get electricuted | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 20:40 |
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| jacekowski | ( i need some way of keeping phone charged when bme is paused ) | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | test voltage? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | put a glass of water down, if it starts to shake jurrasic park style, the n900 is charging towards you | 20:41 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i'll have to try that | 20:41 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: it's either not working or n900 isn't charging | 20:42 |
| jacekowski | ( towards me ) | 20:42 |
| xDaReaperx | glass of water down ? | 20:44 |
| xDaReaperx | wont the N900 spoil ? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | you could use multiple glasses of water and triangulate i suppose | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | damn missed the start of doctor who | 20:51 |
| lcuk | will have to watch later | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: when bme is stopped,then there's no way to keep device charging - except starting jrbme instead | 20:52 |
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| lardman | evening chaps | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | shitstorm flying on TMO | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | woohooo | 20:53 |
| lardman | hey crashanddie | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | hey lardy, howzit? | 20:54 |
| lardman | not bad, finally got some time to fix my linux box and do some coding | 20:54 |
| lardman | and just ordered a new pc so I'll havr to do it all again anyway | 20:54 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i2cset | 20:55 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: cool | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Discharging to under 3.7v, then plugging in the charger for under 32 mins | 20:56 |
| lardman | crashanddie: and you? | 20:56 |
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| crashanddie | bha | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | finding jobs is hard, and boring | 20:58 |
| lardman | hmm, yeah I can imagine | 20:58 |
| lardman | where you looking, la France? | 20:58 |
| Mece | where's the shitstorm on tmo? url plz? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: jrbme for now is just a script using i2ctools | 21:00 |
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| crashanddie | Mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008 | 21:01 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: ah, the wonders of forum moderation | 21:10 |
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| pupnik | i don't see how people get thier thinkpads down to <8 watts current draw | 21:14 |
| lardman | pull out the CPU? ;) | 21:15 |
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| crashanddie | turn it off? | 21:17 |
| crashanddie | then it's under 8 watts | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | lardman, tbh I'd close that thread if I were a mod | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | it'll eventually be closed, so why waste time | 21:18 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, you ever get an answer from Reggie? | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | lardman, personally, I'm ok with "Because I don't like your stupid face". :P | 21:21 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: I'm no longer a mod, so I'm not really bothered | 21:22 |
| lardman | GAN900: no, nothing | 21:22 |
| GAN900 | Bizarre | 21:22 |
| lardman | GAN900: yeah, a reason would be nice, but in the absence I'll just get on with the rest of my rather busy life and not worry too much | 21:22 |
| lardman | cursing QT Creator is taking up 100% of my time in the current 10min slice anyway ;) | 21:23 |
| lardman | aargh, why oh why does it not want to just work | 21:24 |
| lardman | ? | 21:24 |
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| lardman | create a new .ui file, try to go to the slot definiation for a pushbutton and it moans about not finding the header file for the window | 21:25 |
| lardman | hmm, definition even | 21:25 |
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| * lardman quietly thinks to himself that they should make it Visual Basic easy, or not bother encouraging people and let them write ui code themselves | 21:26 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | kick off in a bit | 21:29 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 21:38 |
| xDaReaperx | i think i found a bug in Health check tool | 21:38 |
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| xDaReaperx | http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png | 21:40 |
| xDaReaperx | see that | 21:40 |
| xDaReaperx | each field is capable to be replace by the CPU current freq field , by just clicking once on the CPU current freq field and clicking the other field | 21:41 |
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| * GAN900 chuckles at the World Cup on ABC | 21:45 | |
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| Mece | gotta save some batteries. mece out. | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ... | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait's at it again? | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lo tomasz | 21:56 |
| TomaszD | lo Stskeeps | 21:56 |
| TomaszD | @ a rally meetup | 21:57 |
| * Stskeeps is seriously considering to add talk.maemo.org to his hostname ban list | 21:57 | |
| xDaReaperx | lol y ? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | the current mood reminds me a lot like the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c | 21:57 |
| TomaszD | brb, next beer | 21:57 |
| * MohammadAG adds talk.maemo.org to Stskeeps's hostname ban list | 21:59 | |
| * MohammadAG bans Stskeeps from tmo | 21:59 | |
| kW_ | Stskeeps: Hi, I'm currently using your boot-menu :-) | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, community isn't SO bad. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | kW_: fanoush'es :) | 21:59 |
| xDaReaperx | MohammadAg did you see this? http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png | 21:59 |
| xDaReaperx | its a bug which i mentioned above in health check tool | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, yeah I had it once | 21:59 |
| xDaReaperx | Hmm | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: it is comparable at the moment :P | 21:59 |
| kW_ | Stskeeps: well, this one http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootmenu-n900/ | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | kW_: yeah, we commonly attribute it to fanoush as he made it | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: did you see penguinbait's thread? :P | 22:00 |
| kW_ | ah, I see | 22:00 |
| kW_ | Stskeeps: I'm currently using it to build booting from an encrypted root filesystem | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible, i'd be wary of watchdogs though | 22:01 |
| kW_ | Stskeeps: what exactly do you mean? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | kW_: if you take too long time starting up, the watchdogs will get you | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, nurp | 22:02 |
| kW_ | ah, I see | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008 | 22:02 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, still want that pic | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: yeah, i'll ask bogna to get it for you - her birthday today | 22:03 |
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| kW_ | Stskeeps: is there information on watchdogs (when they start, how long they take until they become active, ...)? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | arfarfarf <watchdog biting Stskeeps' ass> | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, love it. | 22:04 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, well, you know my feelings on the subject(s). ;) | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | kW_: you can disable then in R&D mode anyway | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | tem | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | omfg | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer2: there was a wd in bq* btw? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | kW_: you can disable those watchdogs in R&D mode anyway | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: yes | 22:05 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, oh, tell her a happy birthday from me then :) | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | how does it work, out of curiousity | 22:05 |
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| TomaszD | it's god damned too loud to talk here | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: if system starts to talk to bq24150, then the WD is awake. When system fails to feed it for >32s nominal (aktually >12s) then bq24150 restes to defaults | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: defaults pretty much means safe bootstrap charge mode enabled | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | (3.7V max charge Voltage, 100/500mA max charge current, timeout 32min) | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: so in that mode, which obviously also is the power-on reset mode, you can charge a dead battery to ~250mAh (500mA*32min) with the dedicated charger, even without system booted | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | this should suffice to cleanly boot up NOLO and enable normal charging (though I'm not sure if NOLO does that, or you need the play-dead/softoff minimal unix system + BME to manage the bq24150 WD) | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, ENG 1 - 1 USA, I suggest bolting the door | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | nah, American Forces have no longer any troops here | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | England neither | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Greece, Italy, Spain, that's the major threat here in my possee | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | and of course first and foremost the Germans ;-P | 22:17 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, I'm rioting as soon as the game's over. | 22:18 |
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| GAN900 | Gon get me uh new TV! | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, XD, I'm watching it online | 22:19 |
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| xDaReaperx | lol | 22:22 |
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| ksale | hi, came from maemo wiki, need help | 22:30 |
| ksale | my n900 has unstable sound. | 22:31 |
| xDaReaperx | unstable sound? | 22:32 |
| ksale | goes off when player is paused and device is locked. Also sometimes plugging/unplugging headset creates the same effect. | 22:34 |
| pupnik | only speakers or headset goes off also? | 22:34 |
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| ksale | both | 22:35 |
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| crashanddie | aah, the joys of having to go through level 1 support with my ISP | 22:38 |
| * crashanddie remembers the days when I used to work for them, and had a direct number to lvl 3 support... | 22:39 | |
| crashanddie | and it was "cheaper", because it was a local number, so free to dial, whereas this is .3 euros a minute | 22:39 |
| ksale | I'll try to be more specific -- device has just turned on, headset is on, media (mp3) plays with sound. Then I switch to internet radio, and sound disappears. Return back to mp3 -- no sound. WiFi account is enabled and stable. | 22:41 |
| * kirma has sort of hard time understanding what and why on earth nokia folks have done with v4l2 camera drivers and gstreamer v4l2camsrc to make it so that getting raw (bayer filter level) 10-bit-per-pixel image from sensor should be trivial, but it's pretty much not so | 22:46 | |
| kirma | with plain v4l2 it's "simple", but then again everything else becomes unnecessarily complicated without gstreamer additions | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, I hate having to go through the bullshit phase. | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: "turn off, check it's plugged in, bla bla bla" | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | Back in the day Sears would make you wipe your whole machine before they'd honor the warranty | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | and I didn't have enough guile back then to lie to them | 22:49 |
| vldcnst | crashanddie: my ISP support won't even answer any questions if I'm using a router, they say they don't support routers. Even if the problem is at their end, imagine that. | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | So I wiped that stupid iMac 4 times in as many years for fried ethernet hardware. . . . | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | problem is, there must be so many people trying to bullshit their way through lvl 1 because they think they understand what's happening | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | anyone watching usa vs uk? | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | I've dealt with my fair share of it myself. | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | 1080p HD on a projector... not too bad | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, on at work. | 22:50 |
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| crashanddie | I'm actually surprised the US managed to score | 22:51 |
| GAN900 | lol | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | I was kinda imagining them coming out on the field with all the padding and everything: "Whadyamean, not that kind of football dude?" | 22:52 |
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| kirma | I must say that I don't quite comprehend what exactly happens to the SGRBG-style pixel encoding once it has crossed to userland and to gstcamerasrc code, though. pipelines seem... strange, referring components not visible with gst-inspect. | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | crashanddie: :-D | 22:55 |
| GAN900 | Texrat seriously needs to try just ignoring these threads. | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | he does | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind Texrat in a role where following up on every single comment would be needed | 22:57 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 23:07 |
| GAN900 | He always loses perspective in the trenches. | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | ##world-cup channel is very noisey and sweary :D | 23:08 |
| GAN900 | Even though I don't care one bit about soccer, England can go eat dirt. :P | 23:09 |
| frals | bah ppl not reading first post in a thread and asking a question which has been answered a million times really makes me stay away from tmo | 23:09 |
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| kirma | supposedly kicking balls make people agitated | 23:10 |
| BCMM | lcuk: aaaaah, that makes some sense | 23:11 |
| BCMM | i thought outside was a bit weird today | 23:11 |
| BCMM | is england playing, by any chance? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | how do I restart X? | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, was watching downstairs before but i got distracted | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, found it | 23:12 |
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| BCMM | that would explain a significant subset of the strange people in town | 23:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: lol... it is noisy | 23:12 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: haha, the bitch just hung op on me after being too difficult... | 23:14 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, yeah its a bustling chan | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | two screens rock! | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | now if only I can figure out how to move windows between them | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: slide finger from the bottom right corner | 23:17 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, 2 big screens? | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, at the ISP? | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, you're kidding right :P | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, sec | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, call back and ask for her again. | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | doing just that | 23:17 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: two screens on an n900? | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Oh - sorry - I'm not supposed to say anything about my n900-ds | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, basically, 2930x2074 | 23:20 |
| lcuk | so big desktop screens | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but I can't figure out how to move windows between them | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | it runs on a separate X screen | 23:21 |
| frals | must be an old screen doing 1280x1024! | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I guess trouts do make you smart | 23:21 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah thats the problem with proper distinct x instances | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i have dual screen | 23:22 |
| lcuk | but since x11 | 23:22 |
| lcuk | single | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | that's only possible if both screens are the right size, right? | 23:22 |
| frals | not sure how that 2930 adds up thou.. some weird reso x1050 :< | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | s/right size/same res | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | 1680x1050 is standard on all 22" screens frals | 23:23 |
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| frals | 1280+1680 doesnt make 2930 me thinks! | 23:23 |
| frals | two evens dont make an odd! | 23:23 |
| * frals remembers basic math | 23:23 | |
| BCMM | 2930 isn't odd! | 23:24 |
| * BCMM ducks | 23:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | ~1280 + 1680 | 23:28 |
| infobot | 2960 | 23:28 |
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| kW_ | Does anybody know how to resize the FAT32 partition on the eMMC card? | 23:39 |
| RST38h | The CEO has accused workers of killing themselves for financial compensation, and the company has stopped suicide payments to suicide victims' families. | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | excellent | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | kW_: copy off, mkfs.vfat | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | copy on | 23:40 |
| kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, if nothing speaks against this approach... | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Worked for me. | 23:41 |
| kW_ | is it possible to export the _whole_ eMMC as a USB mass storage device instead of just one partition? | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, but. | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | You'd need to do some hackery. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - if you export /home - things get messy | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | unless youmre outside maemo | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Mounting a block device in two places at once is a generally bad idea | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if | 23:42 |
| kW_ | well, I'd unmount it on the maemo-side first | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | is that even possible | 23:42 |
| kW_ | and I'd actually not touch the linux or swap partition | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | without fscking up the device | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | RST38h: sounds like china's big electronics factory | 23:43 |
| kW_ | just tell me, I'm not afraid to break the things, I just flashed it anyway | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | kW_: You can't easily unmount home that way | 23:43 |
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| kW_ | Well, I just want to export /dev/mmcblk0 | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Why? | 23:44 |
| kW_ | because then it is much easier to make parted resize the partition and create a new partition | 23:45 |
| kW_ | (the FAT partition) | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | copy data off fat partition. | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | mkfs, and you're done. | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | or use sfdisk | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | makes me wonder | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | not for the partition size thing | 23:46 |
| kW_ | well, in case I need to repair the FAT partiion, then the repair tools will find signatures of 2 fat partiions... | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | gparted would be interesting | 23:46 |
| kW_ | SpeedEvil: do you know how to change the export settings? (I know what I do) | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | cfdisk | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 23:46 |
| * MohammadAG51 wonders if gparted is an ass to port | 23:46 | |
| * MohammadAG51 also wonders if it'd expose the mtd blocks | 23:47 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Hit up /etc/ with grep | 23:47 |
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| kW_ | is it possible to add a generic debian repository to /etc/apt/sources.list in order to have much more software runnable on the N900? | 23:48 |
| RST38h | a'ok... | 23:48 |
| kW_ | (for example, nbd-server, parted, fdisk, ...) | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if easy-debian has it in. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | would easy-debian even export the drives outside the chroot | 23:49 |
| korhojoa | kW_: well, it is possible. not many things will work though | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | would be possible to mount --bind the dev nodes I guess | 23:49 |
| kW_ | korhojoa: is there a specific reason why this won't work? | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | There are ways to mount stuff outside the chroot | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | kW_: It is possible to get it to work. | 23:50 |
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| korhojoa | kW_: wrong libs and files in different places | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's going to be a couple of orders of magnitude easier to simply move it off, resize, move it back on. | 23:50 |
| korhojoa | kW_: i've managed to install a thing or two, but that's about it. i downloaded the debs off the website though | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: didn't you say (was it you?) that all the USSD and network control codes work on 1.2? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | not all | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | I told you one or two didn't work | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | "maemo-users" <maemo-users@maemo.org> Tanuva <tanuva@googlemail.com> subj:Re: Cannot turn off call forwarding | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | ** ones i think | 23:52 |
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| kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, I've copied it off, now I need to be able to delete or resize the partition, but sfdisk apparently does not have such options.... weird | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | FSCK! I *knew* Nokia wouldn't achieve to fix it | 23:54 |
| frals | was it an USSD that didnt work or was it a SS code or whatever they are called? | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | kW_: apt-get install cfdisk | 23:55 |
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