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| Sebas1 | anyone know something about chinook app? runs drupal and sqllite under scratchbox/ http://foolab.org/files/imagecache/full/images/s.png | 00:20 |
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| pigeon | is there a standard way on the n900 to restart the window manager/desktop/X? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | killall hildon-desktop | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or reboot | 00:36 |
| lcuk | yes pigeon, reboot | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can restart X easily | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I think the watchdog kicks in and reboots the device if X dies | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 00:36 |
| pigeon | oh | 00:37 |
| pigeon | thanks | 00:37 |
| * SpeedEvil realises this would be easy to test. | 00:37 | |
| lcuk | (simplest method anyway) | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - looks like it's rebooting | 00:37 |
| pigeon | heh | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, I would have to actually pick it up off the floor to test this. | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 00:38 |
| Sebas1 | nice to make reboot shortcut menu also | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I hear a noise! | 00:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Mr Nokia Hands. | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | So yes, it makes it reboot | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | it's not a watchdog | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | it's dsme | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | watchdog resets phone if dsme dies | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | so watchdog is only making sure that dsme is alive | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | and dsme takes care of the rest | 00:39 |
| kleetus | anyone know how to make the media player app on the n900 mark the position of a played file, so if the app closes you can come back to where you left off? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | kleetus: not supported | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | kleetus: you should be thankfull that it remembers last played file | 00:39 |
| ManoftheSea | it's not good at playlists, either. | 00:40 |
| kleetus | thanks | 00:40 |
| ManoftheSea | aka, setting them up. | 00:40 |
| kleetus | sux for podcast where the length can be 2 hours and you have to come back later to finish it up | 00:40 |
| pigeon | sounds like another candidate for the brainstorm page... | 00:40 |
| range | kleetus: There is some basic audiobook player in the repos. | 00:40 |
| range | Which is supposed to do that iirc. | 00:41 |
| PolarFox | kleetus: panucci does that :) | 00:41 |
| kleetus | range: thanks! | 00:41 |
| range | Or panucci. | 00:41 |
| range | True, forgot about that :) | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: there is so much suboptimal stuff on n900 | 00:41 |
| PolarFox | I use Panucci for my audio book needs.. :) | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning lcuk | 00:42 |
| range | Ah well. At least with 1.2 the media player doesn't stumble over it's own feet when a mail or an sms arrives. | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | heh distracted from coding | 00:42 |
| PolarFox | Panucci could pause when call arrives... :) | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmTG6pbGBo | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | no no no don't leave! | 00:42 |
| * noobmonk3y waves | 00:42 | |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It is a watchdog - something resets the phone when X dies. Exactly how that is implemented is a seperate question. | 00:44 |
| kleetus | PolarFox: Panucci works well, thanks! | 00:44 |
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| luke-jr | Who's Tomi? | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | he broke OMAP video in 2.6.33 and it hasn't compiled since -.- | 00:53 |
| ham5 | watchdog just resets if the kernel hangs shouldent even worrie about processes .. ie x | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, ? | 00:54 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: you're Gary, not Tomi | 00:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | oops | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16144 | 00:57 |
| povbot` | Bug 16144: was not found. | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | f u povbot` | 00:57 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: chill | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey crashanddie | 00:57 |
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| crashanddie | yo | 01:01 |
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| dotblank | There is a chip that hw accelerates decoding right? | 01:08 |
| dotblank | how would I go about using it? | 01:08 |
| dotblank | does it work for mp3? | 01:08 |
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| ShadowJK | It's not used for mp3 in maemo5 | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | mpeg4/asp and h264 baseline are accelerated atleast | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | if you access it through mafw or gstreamer | 01:12 |
| vldcnst | dotblank: ls /lib/dsp | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, what's it used for (audio) then? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | I'll reconvert my whole library :) | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | all audio is done on CPU | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | well except maybe the speech codecs during calls.. | 01:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | oh | 01:16 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: Tomi is known as tomba here in #beagle channel | 01:20 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: but I think he even does not have the hardware to test changes in the old omapfb driver, so he has to rely on guys like you and that Sergey Lapin | 01:23 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: just revert that broken commit, test whether it works properly and submit a patch | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | Tested-by: Sergey Lapin <slapin@ossfans.org> | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | that's why i don't believe in anything developed by community | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | why should we believe in your chromium port then :) | 01:27 |
| * MohammadAG51 expects a "you shouldn't" | 01:28 | |
| jacekowski | you shouldn't | 01:28 |
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| asj | MohammadAG51: "'cause I'm more aweseome" ;) | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | i'm not going to let down your expectations | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | asj, malformed signle quote | 01:28 |
| asj | MohammadAG51: and if you want to be picky, missing ( | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | going back to being cool | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | asj, nope, that's processed as a unicode smiley | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | just import smileys | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | i think it would be easy patch to patch bme to use kernel driver to talk to charger/fuel gauge | 01:30 |
| asj | MohammadAG51: I don't do python | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | then just make simple driver to match it | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | asj, what do you "do" then? | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | and log whatever is it doing with it | 01:30 |
| asj | MohammadAG51: pretty much anything else, except ruby. | 01:30 |
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| luke-jr | ssvb: It either doesn't work, or something else is wrong | 01:45 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: anyway, the fact that nobody has noticed the problem for such a long time is amazing | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | ssvb: and sad | 01:49 |
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| w00t_ | frals: ping | 01:53 |
| frals | w00t_: pong | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | ssvb: anyhow, there's no /dev/fb0 when I try to boot it | 01:54 |
| w00t_ | frals: added a few commits cleaning up /src/ a bit, i'm gonna try split onehand-fkb.c up into smaller files, unless you've an objection | 01:54 |
| frals | w00t_: sounds good, go for it :) | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | but that could simply be lack of board support | 01:55 |
| w00t_ | files that large make my head hurt | 01:55 |
| frals | w00t_: yeah, same here | 01:55 |
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| luke-jr | ssvb: in fact, it almost certainly is. sucks that it's impossible to get display working on N8x0 without CBus | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | another sad problem: OMAP-MMC is broken in mainline too :/ | 01:56 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: regarding framebuffer, it may be a good idea for N8x0 to try switching to DSS2 (drivers/video/omap2) in the long run | 01:59 |
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| luke-jr | ssvb: until CBus, we have nothing.. | 02:00 |
| ssvb | luke-jr: http://lwn.net/Articles/349545/ | 02:00 |
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| ssvb | luke-jr: Felipe Balbi is doing some work on CBus according to linux-omap git changelogs | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | ssvb: linux-omap != linux-master | 02:02 |
| ssvb | luke-jr: the work needs to be done *somewhere* before it gets to linux-master | 02:03 |
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| luke-jr | ssvb: like a cbus-only branch tracking master | 02:04 |
| ssvb | luke-jr: would you like it better if nobody was touching this stuff at all? | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | no, just hoping you might know of one | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | :( | 02:04 |
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| luke-jr | the DSS2 driver doesn't seem to support the Epson display | 02:04 |
| frals | w00t_: pushed the control file now that gitorious is responding again | 02:05 |
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| w00t_ | frals: excellent | 02:07 |
| w00t_ | ta | 02:07 |
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| ohwhyme | MohammadAG51: u there? I tried to purge the packages and then install 0.7 and it still doesnt work | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | readd the account | 02:17 |
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| ohwhyme | when i delete the account and create a new one it just says not signed in | 02:22 |
| ohwhyme | goes directly to it | 02:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | sure you uninstalled telepathy-haze? | 02:23 |
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| ohwhyme | I think so but I will do it again to make sure | 02:25 |
| ohwhyme | it seems to work with msn and yahoo | 02:27 |
| ohwhyme | but not aim | 02:27 |
| ohwhyme | i click on sign in and it just stays there | 02:27 |
| ohwhyme | it wont go to the next screen | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think it's an avahi daemon issue | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | rebooting is the easiest solution | 02:29 |
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| ohwhyme | ok gonna reboot | 02:32 |
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| crashanddie | mc_teo`: let last time be a warning. When you're banned, do not evade the ban. | 02:36 |
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| crashanddie | mc_teo`: also, if you ever post referring links ever again, I'll make sure you get lined from freenode as a whole, understood? | 02:40 |
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| crashanddie | glad we could agree on that. | 02:46 |
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| mc_teo`` | crashanddie: what referring links? | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo``: the website that harvested other people's browsing history | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo``: thinking about it, I shouldn't have removed the ban | 02:47 |
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| mc_teo`` | that site just uses a css exploit to check your history for porn sites | 02:47 |
| mc_teo`` | for the lulz | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | and sends you results | 02:48 |
| mc_teo`` | yep | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | so I'll be very clear: fuck off with those kind of things, understood? | 02:48 |
| mc_teo`` | ok | 02:48 |
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| vldcnst | script kiddies ftl. | 02:48 |
| mc_teo`` | ill be good | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | cool, thanks. | 02:48 |
| mc_teo`` | vldcnst: i am not a skiddie | 02:48 |
| mc_teo`` | on the chain of evolution, i skipped that link | 02:49 |
| vldcnst | and I'm not human. your point? | 02:49 |
| ohwhyme | i sense negative vibes | 02:50 |
| mc_teo`` | i was simply responding, not starting a new point | 02:50 |
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| ohwhyme | hello speedevil how are you | 02:52 |
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| ohwhyme | MohammadAG51: The aim account still won't sign in | 02:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: Having my network connection sort-of-work again | 02:53 |
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| ohwhyme | that sounds nice hehe | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ohwhyme, not really sure, it worked for MSN (same protocol) | 02:54 |
| ohwhyme | ah | 02:55 |
| ohwhyme | are you the developer? | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope | 02:55 |
| ohwhyme | i guess 0.8 won't increase my chances hehe | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | you disbled devel right? | 02:56 |
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| ohwhyme | yea | 02:59 |
| ohwhyme | on 0.7 right now | 02:59 |
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| Sebas1 | is there a way to auto save all passwords on website to a prog> | 03:03 |
| Sebas1 | llike keepass there addon :) | 03:03 |
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| ohwhyme | should i update to 0.8? | 03:06 |
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| Sebas1 | list | 03:09 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:32 |
| Ken-Young | Good evening | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: morning | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: good news: I *might* get the "missing page" of schematics, to know about testpad functions... eventually | 03:46 |
| Termana | Oh, theres a missing page from those leaked schematics? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously there are quite some details missing in the schematics | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno if they were deleted on purpose, or just left out as they're not relevant for 'normal' operation of device | 03:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | The testpad schematics aren't very interesting to servicepeople. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | As they arlready have the adaptors setup to plug onto them. | 03:48 |
| Termana | Ah, well at least I haven't gone totally crazy. Not a great schematic reader, but I read them on the advice of someone on the meego-dev mailing list when I enquired about the serial testpads | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, probably you could aggregate all those missing details on an additional schematics page, though I doubt such a page exists | 03:49 |
| Termana | Of course, I didn't see anything about them, and obviously there was nothing TO see about them | 03:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can tell lmited stuff about them. | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | very limited | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - if the UART1 is connected to the modem, it's not likley to be connected to testpads only | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | uart3 seems unused as of the schematics, so it's agood candidate | 03:50 |
| Termana | Well again, not a great schematic reader. It doesn't help being 16, not an EE of an sort, and never concerning myself with hardware only software :P | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - 16 is starting late. | 03:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though to be fair - the schematic of the sinclair spectrum was slightly simpler than the n900 :) | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: that's why we tell you - to prod you and assure you didn't fail because of own incompetence :-D | 03:51 |
| Termana | :D | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also keep up hope for a serial console plug coming eventually | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the "secret info" way fails, then I still got a plan-B | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's annoying cumbersome procedure | 03:53 |
| Termana | Plan B MAWAHAHAHAHA :P | 03:53 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, whats that - test each one until you find the right one? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw it's amazing how our 'official' contacts to Nokia fail to acquire such terribly needed info | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Attach oscilloscope to test pads. | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: exactly | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Activate the I2C busses | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | See if there is any traffic | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | repeat with everything that might be brought out | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | though some of the things you won't be able to probe easily as they will be the modem, for which we have no docs | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: my approach vould look like 'cat /dev/rnd >/dev/uart3' | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah, that sort of thing | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And then start feeding in 1.8V logic signals into stuff if you're feeling brave. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeyayau | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the more funny part | 03:57 |
| Termana | <DocScrutinizer> yeyayau <------ This is DocScrutinizer wetting his pants with excitement :P | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd more prefer to look up GPIO of uart3-tx, and wiggle that pin on primary GPIO function | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | that sort of thing too | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feeding random signal to random testpoint is too brave even for a crazy dog like me :-P | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, WHY is Nokia REFUSING TO DISCLOSE such silly simple noncritical info?? >:-( | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, a sinkle line like "J2000: UART3-RX, TX, CTS, RTS // VDD, GND, GND" would be all we need. maybe a nice "Note: 1V8 LV-RS232" | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | single even | 04:03 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: because it's easier not too | 04:05 |
| Termana | I know a little off-topic and everyones a Google/Android hater. But the Googlians had no problem in immediately disclosing that serial was available through the Nexus One USB port on certain pins (they told which pins - I can't remember off the top of my head) | 04:05 |
| asj | Termana: (usb only has 4 pins) (ok 5 pins for otg) | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: except if it's a special 10pole USB receptacle | 04:06 |
| Termana | Right, I don't know exactly, its microUSB but I think they said on the V+ and V- (?) pins when there was no 5V power source, serial was available | 04:07 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: well it's not usb then eh? usb spec defines connectors as well as signal. | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is compatible to 5-pole mini/micro, but has additional 5 pins to deliver exactly such proprietary signals | 04:07 |
| asj | ah | 04:08 |
| pupnik | so what is the question, Termana ? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: it *is* usb spec conformant, as every conformant plug will match | 04:08 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: yeah, got it now | 04:08 |
| Termana | pupnik, there is no question. We're trying to find out what the correct pins are for serial on the N900 | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: (V+ / GND) quite possible | 04:09 |
| Termana | Sorry, for anyone interested - its on the D+/D- | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | even easier | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | as USB musb core and PHY e.g support such generic UART mode ootb | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui it's even defined in USB specs, as 'car mode' or somesuch nonsense | 04:10 |
| Termana | Now if only Nokia was more upfront in disclosure... :P | 04:12 |
| asj | would be easy really for USB since isn't 1.1 slow speed or what ever it's called is 1mhz to 0hz and D+/D- is 0v to 5v? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO could do the same, but quite probably they won't implement it - too risky to break the already cumbersome USB charging and whatnot | 04:12 |
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| tuliobaars | hey people!is there any IRC channel specially to N8x0 or Maemo 4.1 or less? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:13 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, of course they could initialise the LCD in NOLO and you could view full kernel booting messages from there (At least, I think thats the case. I think thats was the OpeniBoot people are doing for Android on iPhone) | 04:13 |
| tuliobaars | thx | 04:13 |
| tuliobaars | how can i get some missing libraries on n810? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: theroetically yes | 04:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Termana: Well - FBCON can be enabled - which gets you 96% of boot | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but initializing the whole fb stuff is quite a job to do | 04:15 |
| tuliobaars | 8-) | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I earlier suggested IRDA over the CIR for serial out | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars: wrong time of day | 04:16 |
| tuliobaars | so, is there any howto, or nothing? Maemo Talk doesn't help me tough, so | 04:16 |
| tuliobaars | why? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | help for what? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars: ask again in 6..12h | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It would have been sane to fork a n800 channel in - say - august or so | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | but it wasn't done | 04:16 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, right, but if the kernel has paniced early in the boot process, or you have a bad display driver, you want see messages for FBCON | 04:16 |
| tuliobaars | why? (just for some info) | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: of course. | 04:17 |
| Termana | Since I plan to do some kernel work with the n900 - that why I wanted serial access. | 04:17 |
| tuliobaars | it will be at 4'o clock at the mornig! | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: Because it was clear that n900 traffic would swamp any 810 or 800 discissuon | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: what stuff? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars: it's 4'o now :-P | 04:17 |
| tuliobaars | sorry, but i didn't really know that you have time for everithing | 04:18 |
| tuliobaars | here is 22:18 | 04:18 |
| tuliobaars | Brasil! | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | well - in about 4-6 hours ago then | 04:18 |
| * SpeedEvil passes tuliobaars a time machine. | 04:18 | |
| Termana | Well originally I was just going to be rebasing all the code, like the kind of stuff I did in conjection with luke-jr with the n810 | 04:18 |
| Termana | But most of it is heading mainline | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: rebasing what? | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyway - I need to get to sleep, or I won't be up tomorrow for an exciting day of nothing. | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave. | 04:20 |
| Termana | cya SpeedEvil have a good night and good day of nothing! | 04:20 |
| asj | bye SpeedEvil | 04:20 |
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| Termana | good night DocScrutinizer | 04:23 |
| b-man|laptop | is it possible for the N900 to be infected with a rootkit,? because i saw something quite suspicious while running 'ps' in a gentoo chroot on mine today *nervous* | 04:23 |
| b-man|laptop | 'Unknown HZ value (69) Assume 100" | 04:24 |
| b-man|laptop | and all of the tty's show ? | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | older tools get upset by notick | 04:25 |
| b-man|laptop | notick? | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | tickless kernel | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen same on OM kernel | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean anything | 04:28 |
| b-man|laptop | ah | 04:28 |
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| sswam | hey if I install the USA or UK pr1.2 images, does that means it won't pull in all those annoying locale packages for every country? any other differences? | 04:44 |
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| sswam | I broke the thing after trying to upgrade using apt, it was so damn slow because of all those dratted locale packages. | 04:46 |
| pupnik | yeah annoying that | 04:46 |
| sswam | the should just put all the languages together in one package and be done with it, it's not like a little bit of text takes much storage anyway | 04:46 |
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| pupnik | you could pin packages for languages you dont want | 04:47 |
| sswam | I'm in australia, I guess the USA package would be best for me if I want to use just English / avoid those pacakges. | 04:47 |
| asj | sswam: usa emmc has a ton of videos afaik | 04:47 |
| sswam | it's stuck in a reboot loop, I wish there was some way to avoid reflashing it as it was a lot of work setting it up the way I want :( | 04:48 |
| sswam | what sort of videos, is that good or bad? | 04:48 |
| asj | sswam: just 1.some gigs to dl and delete | 04:49 |
| sswam | like "how to use your n900" or "spam from various ISPs" | 04:49 |
| sswam | I only see the one emmc image, which is about 256 Mb, and the various rootfs images which is about 180Mb, so I don't know where you get Gbs from | 04:50 |
| asj | ah nm then | 04:50 |
| sswam | the USA rootfs image is only 130K bigger than the global one | 04:51 |
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| sswam | it should be smaller really if they don't have locale packages, so maybe there's a bit of spam in there. | 04:51 |
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| pupnik | notice american use of hyperbole | 04:53 |
| GAN900 | Hyperbole is a great American pastime | 04:54 |
| GAN900 | Wait, what? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | :) dunno nm | 04:55 |
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| sswam | if I flash just the fiasco image (rootfs) it should leave my /home/ data there, right? | 05:08 |
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| tgalal | what's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app? | 05:23 |
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| tgalal | like the merge duplicate contacts | 05:24 |
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| Send_Linux | so many people | 05:25 |
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| pronto | O_O | 06:43 |
| tgalal | what's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app? | 06:44 |
| tgalal | Hasn't anyone yet written a tool that would sync google contacts? | 06:44 |
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| asj | tgalal: mfe? | 06:49 |
| tgalal | asj, never worked with me for contacts. only works with calendar | 06:49 |
| asj | wfm | 06:49 |
| tgalal | am I the only one ???? | 06:49 |
| tgalal | asj, is it working with you? latest firmware | 06:50 |
| opdf2 | anyone change notification priority? | 06:50 |
| asj | tgalal: wfn == works for me | 06:50 |
| tgalal | asj, what's asj?? | 06:51 |
| tgalal | sorry wfn | 06:51 |
| tgalal | what's wfn? | 06:51 |
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| slonopotamus | smth like that, yep :) | 08:14 |
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| Livingroom | N800 FO' LYFE, YO | 08:59 |
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| Macer | has apple fixed the ._foo problem over network shares in snow leopard? | 09:17 |
| Livingroom | maemites? | 09:18 |
| Livingroom | marmite? | 09:18 |
| Livingroom | marmalade? | 09:18 |
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| mece | aaahaha | 09:38 |
| mece | I'm an idiot. | 09:38 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:38 |
| mece | I was wondering why my karma so very rarely goes anywhere. | 09:39 |
| mece | seems I have not linked my talk account to my maemo.org account. | 09:39 |
| mece | I got no karma from "thanks" | 09:39 |
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| red | how do I join a group skype call on the n900? | 09:53 |
| red | on the linux client you get this notification which you can use to rejoin the call if connection dropped | 09:53 |
| red | but on N900 it seems to just appear as a normal phonecall and if connection fails i need to ask someone to redial | 09:53 |
| red | not really handy | 09:53 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, oh well. It's not like I've needed my karma for anything in particular :) | 09:54 |
| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 09:56 |
| phellarv | *yawn* | 09:58 |
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| mhmh | red: afaik you can't join chats and have to be invited | 10:01 |
| mhmh | red: ahh a group skype call..read chat :) | 10:02 |
| rmrfchik | just installed dropbear-server | 10:03 |
| rmrfchik | how to connect now? i've changed root password, but still can't connect | 10:03 |
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| rmrfchik | Permission denied, please try again. | 10:03 |
| Milhouse | use keys? | 10:06 |
| * Milhouse wonders why people install dropbear instead of openssh... | 10:07 | |
| rmrfchik | Milhouse: it's smaller? | 10:08 |
| sx0n | http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/iphone-vs-android/ | 10:08 |
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| Milhouse | rmrfchik: is that a major benefit these days? | 10:09 |
| Milhouse | i mean sure, it's a bit smaller but also less functional. | 10:09 |
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| phellarv | Milhouse: On a mobile device - Size _does_ matter. | 10:10 |
| Milhouse | i think on devices like the n900, it's not that big of a deal | 10:11 |
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| phellarv | Milhouse: Not a _big_ deal, no - But it does matter. | 10:11 |
| Milhouse | ok - well openssh works... :) | 10:12 |
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| phellarv | Milhouse: Mmm - and Dropbear works | 10:12 |
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| phellarv | Milhouse: That's the beauty of OSS - Freedom of choice. | 10:12 |
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| Milhouse | not for rmrfchik | 10:12 |
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| Milhouse | phellarv: absolutely - but since the 770 i've seen more people have problems with dropbear than openssh | 10:13 |
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| phellarv | Milhouse: Probs - I think Dropbear have stripped away all those extra ways of getting it to work, and just have one way of doing "things" | 10:14 |
| phellarv | Milhouse: Fewer lines of code ~= Smaller footprint | 10:15 |
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| Milhouse | phellarv: although a smaller foot print is always nice, i think in todays world it's becoming less and less of a major selling point | 10:16 |
| Milhouse | phellarv: reliable, easy to use, functional, works as expected - those are the kind of features that might be more important | 10:16 |
| phellarv | Milhouse: That's correct - Not so much a sellingpoint anymore, but effective code is often smaller in size too. | 10:16 |
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| rmrfchik | having opened 2-3 apps (reader, messaging, media player) it takes about 20-30 seconds to open contacts. To answer the call it can take 15 seconds! | 10:18 |
| phellarv | Milhouse: I'm an old hacker - Reliable and "works as expected" I do not believe in anymore - I have outgrown fairytales. | 10:18 |
| rmrfchik | So, size does matter on n900 | 10:18 |
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| rmrfchik | n900 ran out of resources with a light of speed | 10:18 |
| phellarv | rmrfchik: And you have shitloads of widgets too? | 10:19 |
| Milhouse | fairy nuff. good luck getting dropbear to work. :) | 10:19 |
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| rmrfchik | phellarv: calendar, weather, media player, coutple of contacts | 10:19 |
| rmrfchik | of shortcuts i mean | 10:20 |
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| phellarv | rmrfchik: Seems weird - I struggle to use my resources. | 10:20 |
| phellarv | Or - Not struggle, but work for it. | 10:20 |
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| rmrfchik | phellarv: you never miss a call because can't answer? lucky you | 10:21 |
| rmrfchik | poor me -- it happens. click "answer", click, click, click... Aha! it response! oops, too laye | 10:21 |
| mece | rmrfchik, I haven't had that issue. But sometimes there's some glitching before it appears properly, and if I click then I might click on the wrong button. but takes about 1 second to pass. | 10:22 |
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| phellarv | rmrfchik: Nah - Haven't had any problems yet - But I run kernel-power. | 10:24 |
| rmrfchik | mece: i think it depends on device usage. i almost always has fbreader opened. messaging/contacts | 10:24 |
| rmrfchik | phellarv: I'm too on kernel-power | 10:24 |
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| phellarv | The only thing that bothers me is the battery-life | 10:24 |
| rmrfchik | yeah, that's an issue | 10:25 |
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| phellarv | That's why I consider a solar-charger. | 10:25 |
| rmrfchik | it's sad there is no any comments from nokia. or I missed them? | 10:25 |
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| solrize | mugenpowerbatteries.com has an extended battery for the n900 if that helps | 10:29 |
| solrize | 2400 mah = a little less than 2x the standard battery | 10:29 |
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| phellarv | solrize: Mhmm - I've had some bad experiences with not-original batteries. | 10:30 |
| solrize | cheap ones are awful, mugens are expensive but good | 10:30 |
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| solrize | looks like their n900 batt is out of stock | 10:30 |
| solrize | but will probably be back | 10:31 |
| solrize | so tell me, is maemo/meego still viable or is android going to crush everything? :( | 10:31 |
| solrize | i don't like google's opaqueness but i saw someone's htc phone today and it was amazing | 10:31 |
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| rmrfchik | android is going to crush. at least, seeing what nokia is doing. | 10:33 |
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| solrize | hmm | 10:34 |
| solrize | i decided to hold out for the n900's successor because the n900 seems pretty buggy | 10:35 |
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| rmrfchik | solrize: i'm sure, successor will be the same. look -- they throw away any experience. meego will be new OS with new bugs. | 10:35 |
| solrize | the n900 hardware has bugs too | 10:36 |
| rmrfchik | I don't noticed hw bugs | 10:36 |
| solrize | i heard the vid cam drops frames | 10:36 |
| Peedrpo | im looking for info about tunneling all traffic from N900 to my server and from there outside. Is the VPN best option? | 10:36 |
| sx0n | solrize, n900 seems pretty ok with oc kernel and pr12 | 10:36 |
| solrize | although maybe that's not exactly hw | 10:36 |
| rmrfchik | ah. dunno. i don't use it as videocam | 10:37 |
| Surfa | Peedrpo, most likely yes | 10:37 |
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| Surfa | Peedrpo, or probably the easiest.. try openvpn | 10:37 |
| rmrfchik | Peedrpo: there is some "vpn" package. dind't tired it. | 10:37 |
| rmrfchik | Peedrpo: anyway, you can always set ssh tunneling ;) | 10:37 |
| solrize | the still cam is pretty slow and the image quality isn't great, though the successor will if anything be worse | 10:37 |
| Peedrpo | yea i just installed it. looks like it doesnt have GUI but i think i will survive without it | 10:37 |
| Peedrpo | solrize: true true :) but VPN sound better | 10:38 |
| Surfa | Peedrpo, hmm, isn't the gui integrated to upper menu? | 10:38 |
| rmrfchik | solrize: i don't care aboud cam. really. it's always a shit on smartphones | 10:38 |
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| Surfa | Peedrpo, at least "vpnc" has gui there | 10:39 |
| Peedrpo | hmm | 10:39 |
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| Surfa | you may check also vpnc, it may be more tricky to configure, but it's more like "real vpn" than openvpn | 10:39 |
| Peedrpo | Surfa: nope. im supprised too cos what i read from net it got some sort of gui | 10:39 |
| Peedrpo | ok. thanks for info | 10:40 |
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| Livingroom | lol | 10:40 |
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| Livingroom | this caption is accompanied by a painting of the sword in the stone: "i would hit it so hard, whoever pulled me out of it would be crowned the next king of england." | 10:40 |
| Surfa | Peedrpo, check openvpn-applet | 10:41 |
| Surfa | Peedrpo, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/openvpn-applet/ | 10:41 |
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| Peedrpo | Surfa: yeah, found it. search seems to work little bit hazardious in this new appmanager | 10:43 |
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| Surfa | ok, to be honest.. I haven't used openvpn, but some people tell it's fine. I'm somehow tied with vpnc myself | 10:44 |
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| astruasdh | please, how can I minimize the lxde under easy-debian? | 10:44 |
| Peedrpo | Surfa: same here :) But now i need it | 10:45 |
| solrize | i see nokia just lowered the price of the n900 | 10:46 |
| solrize | i'm trying to resist being interested in android | 10:47 |
| rmrfchik | it's very depends on your needs | 10:47 |
| Surfa | and paycheck :) | 10:47 |
| solrize | i'm broke and i need a fancy phone like a hole in the head ;) | 10:48 |
| solrize | mostly interested in writing code for it | 10:48 |
| solrize | i told the guy with the android phone some ideas that i had | 10:48 |
| mikki-kun | solrize: why not try android once on the n900? afair there is a project running, though not everything works... | 10:49 |
| rmrfchik | nokia is doing endless experiment. they give you half-working device with root access, while android is far more conservative and polished | 10:49 |
| Termana | solrize, yourdoingitwrong | 10:49 |
| solrize | and everyone of them had already been done on android | 10:49 |
| rmrfchik | and without root :) | 10:49 |
| Termana | I need ... like a hole in the head - is meant to be used in a negative manner | 10:49 |
| Termana | Because no one wants a hole in their head | 10:49 |
| solrize | rmrfchik, yeah, that sounds like the situation. although it's possible to get root on andoroid phones | 10:49 |
| solrize | Termana, right, i don't need a fancy phone at all | 10:50 |
| solrize | it would just burn money | 10:50 |
| rmrfchik | solrize: it's hack, while on n900 is it rather normal | 10:50 |
| Termana | You might not NEED it | 10:50 |
| Termana | but you do WANT it don't you? | 10:50 |
| Termana | :P | 10:50 |
| Surfa | solrize, btw, can't see any price drop in finland at least.. | 10:50 |
| solrize | Termana, i've been hacking chdk for canon digicams but they are dog slow, and the phones are much faster, but their cameras suck | 10:51 |
| solrize | Surfa, interesting | 10:51 |
| solrize | i see a drop on nokiausa.com | 10:51 |
| solrize | but dealers haven't caught up with it yet | 10:51 |
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| rmrfchik | lol, in usa n900 costs twice less as in europe | 10:51 |
| psycho_oreos | even if maemo is a half-completed work-in-progress type device, it still remains a tinker's toy with literally unfettered access | 10:51 |
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| Scelt | rmrfchik: twice less? so only 33 % of european prices? | 10:52 |
| rmrfchik | n900 is half-completed work-is-stopped device | 10:52 |
| solrize | psycho_oreos, do you think any other hardware will run it? | 10:52 |
| solrize | Scelt, nokia usa says 479.95 usd | 10:52 |
| rmrfchik | Scelt: ok, in russia it costs twice | 10:52 |
| solrize | i don't know how that compares to europe | 10:52 |
| Scelt | 495 euros in Finland | 10:52 |
| psycho_oreos | solrize, what maemo? kinda doubt it, its mostly a purpose built device with specific set of chipsets that fulfil the requirements of the kernel on maemo | 10:53 |
| rmrfchik | and i'm pretty sure, next-n900 will be "oh, we stop doing MeeGo, we're doing new shiny NokiaGo OS. So, no upgrades, eat this unfinished work" | 10:53 |
| solrize | rmrfchik, hmm, yeah, blech | 10:54 |
| psycho_oreos | the alternatives aren't any better than maemo, each smartphone OS has its upsides and downsides | 10:54 |
| rmrfchik | yes, yes.. excuses | 10:54 |
| solrize | psycho_oreos, yeah. although i guess application level programming is probably fairly similar between maemo and android | 10:54 |
| Surfa | rmrfchik, no upgrades? that road has proven wrong so many times so why don't you just drop it already | 10:54 |
| Termana | solrize, how do you figure that out | 10:55 |
| rmrfchik | Surfa: sure. i'm shutting up | 10:55 |
| mhmh | 5595 SEK | 10:55 |
| Termana | Android you have to program in their version of Java | 10:55 |
| mhmh | = 670ish USD | 10:55 |
| psycho_oreos | android with a locked root access, same goes with apple's smartphone OS, windows mobile is just plain crap, then you have crackberry which is more or less a simple cloudlike device | 10:55 |
| Termana | Maemo you can program in basically any language | 10:55 |
| rmrfchik | Surfa: sorry to disturb your comfort | 10:55 |
| rmrfchik | solrize: andoind == java almost. | 10:55 |
| rmrfchik | android | 10:55 |
| Surfa | solrize, hmm, actually nokia.fi store prices are the same as other shops.. so there may be some kind of drop | 10:56 |
| Surfa | typically nokia.fi is quite much more expensive | 10:56 |
| solrize | psycho_oreos, the guy i talked to said rooting the android phone was trivial... yeah he did say they use java for a lot of stuff | 10:56 |
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| sx0n | samsung bada is out too, that might be quite interesting too | 10:56 |
| sx0n | but frankly i am not sure is there markets for everyone. | 10:56 |
| solrize | what's bada? | 10:57 |
| rmrfchik | sx0n: isn't samsung private os? i mean, they don't plan to distribute it | 10:57 |
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| solrize | oh bleh | 10:57 |
| sx0n | http://www.bada.com/ | 10:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | solrize, yes trivial if you considered certain purposes that you don't require the need for.. like for example passive monitoring | 10:57 |
| rmrfchik | sx0n: I suppose it going to be "thing-in-itself" | 10:57 |
| solrize | psycho_oreos, what do you mean about passive monitoring? | 10:58 |
| sx0n | actually i don't know, fast googling on their www-pages showed only marketing images | 10:58 |
| sx0n | i didn't bother with sdk. | 10:58 |
| hrw | moin | 10:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | solrize, in wireless penetration for example, there's tools that require root access to gain raw/physical access to a chipset onboard the device. If root access was forbidden, you cannot for example passively monitor wireless networks without actively probing | 10:59 |
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| solrize | right, yeah, you can do that on the android phone by rooting it, i'm pretty sure | 10:59 |
| astruasdh | where can I get the source of set-focus (easy-chroot software)? | 11:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | and android's kernel isn't true linux.. so the power tools that I were referring to has to be manually ported to android, whereas maemo being true linux kernel, allows the programs to run provided that you compile it for armel platform | 11:01 |
| solrize | ic | 11:01 |
| K0JIbKA | Hi all! | 11:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | I bought n900 mainly for a few reasons: 1) to replace my aging n95-1 2) that I loved to have a linux powered phone 3) hearing that I can run wireless penetration tools on the phone which is specifically targeting my requirements | 11:02 |
| solrize | well unless i get some paying work coding this stuff i'll wait for next hw version and see how it compares... i really want to like maemo better, it just seems like it's falling behind the curve. of course the despicable iphone is in front of everything else ;) | 11:03 |
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| solrize | does the n900 have a compass? | 11:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | iphone just has that saturated marketing aura about.. nothing interesting to be honest.. apart from the people being anal about their products | 11:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | not sure, it has GPS | 11:04 |
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| solrize | the guy showed me an amazing android app, a star chart. you just hold up the phone and it shows you a picture of the night sky, with the constellations labelled. as you change the direction of the phone, the view changes. it uses the gps, compass, and accelerometer to know which way the phone is pointing and what the view should be. | 11:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | maemo has gps and accelerometer for those instance.. again I'm not too sure on compass but I presume gps takes care of navigation and directions | 11:07 |
| frals | uh, dont we have that as well? | 11:07 |
| solrize | gps gives you absolute location, not direction, and it's quite slow. it figures out direction if you're moving, by comparing successive position fixes | 11:07 |
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| roadi | nearly | 11:07 |
| roadi | orrery | 11:08 |
| solrize | yeah | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | that's using the internal GPS, then there's external GPS or assisted GPS.. assisted GPS requires internet access to get the points | 11:08 |
| solrize | assisted gps? involves triangulation from cell towers or something? | 11:08 |
| roadi | the compas is missing in the n900 - pitty :( | 11:08 |
| roadi | solrize: from the internet | 11:09 |
| psycho_oreos | triangulation would be using internal/assisted I would presume | 11:09 |
| solrize | roadi the internet can't figure out precise geoposition ;) | 11:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | apparently there's servers that can assist in doing so | 11:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | it takes less than 10 seconds on a good day to lock in the exact location of where you are using assisted GPS | 11:12 |
| frals | http://www.nokian900applications.com/stellarium-for-nokia-n900/ | 11:12 |
| psycho_oreos | 30 seconds minimum using internal GPS.. so there's a bit of comparison | 11:12 |
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| solrize | the bh-905 headphone sounds great | 11:13 |
| flux | AFAIK assisted gps works by providing a GPS journal in a fast fashion, without the nede to wait for it to get downlaoded from the satellites | 11:14 |
| solrize | oh i see | 11:14 |
| solrize | yeah that makes sense | 11:14 |
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| flux | but agreed, compass would be nice.. apparently those electric compasses may not be all that great, though. | 11:16 |
| solrize | they work really well, i used to program them | 11:17 |
| flux | s/ass/as/ :) | 11:17 |
| flux | oh, ok | 11:17 |
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| solrize | and the one in the android seemed to work well in the minute i played with it | 11:17 |
| solrize | i could move the phone around and see the raw magnetometer readings | 11:17 |
| flux | no, actually it was the correct spelling.. | 11:17 |
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| flux | well, with the new usb host thingy you can attach a compass to n900! | 11:18 |
| flux | if you have one :) | 11:18 |
| solrize | maybe there is a bluetooth compas | 11:18 |
| solrize | wait that wouldn't make sense | 11:18 |
| flux | :) | 11:18 |
| solrize | usb compass? n900 has usb host, can it supply power? | 11:18 |
| flux | apparently it can, up to 200mA | 11:18 |
| flux | which should be plenty, right? | 11:18 |
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| solrize | http://www.oceanserver-store.com/coboon.html mere $250.00 for a compass | 11:19 |
| solrize | 200 mA at 5v? that's like 300 ma from the battery | 11:19 |
| solrize | more power than the whole phone uses | 11:19 |
| solrize | they should make a giant battery for the phone | 11:19 |
| BCMM | i know i just joined and this probably makes sense on context, but $250 for a compass? | 11:20 |
| flux | honeywell has a digital IC compass for 80 EUR | 11:20 |
| solrize | bcmm yeah i was looking at usb compass modules to connect to an n900 | 11:20 |
| flux | but they also have 200 EUR and 500 EUR models, so maybe the 80 EUR one is sucky.. | 11:20 |
| solrize | the expensive ones are for devleopment, fancy instrumentation etc | 11:21 |
| solrize | the consumer one i was involved with cost a couple bucks to make | 11:21 |
| solrize | the one in the android phone is probably even cheaper than that | 11:21 |
| BCMM | yeah, those ones seem to provide various accelerometers too - the complete package for dead-reckoning navigation? | 11:22 |
| solrize | i think the accelerators aren't accurate enough for that | 11:22 |
| solrize | you can use them in combination with gps though | 11:22 |
| solrize | sensor fusion | 11:22 |
| solrize | car navigation systems do that | 11:22 |
| solrize | combine data from gps, accelerometers, car drivetrain | 11:22 |
| BCMM | i've wondered about that actually | 11:23 |
| solrize | to compensate for noise and gaps in the gps signal | 11:23 |
| BCMM | in the short term, you'd be more accurate, right? | 11:23 |
| solrize | yeah | 11:23 |
| BCMM | is there anything for the n900 to combine acceleration with gps? | 11:23 |
| BCMM | (this occurred to me before, along with wondering if cars do that) | 11:23 |
| flux | I wonder how the builtin magnets of n900 would mess with that kind of module | 11:23 |
| solrize | but you couldn't put a compass/accelerometer in your pocket and walk someplace with no gps signal and expect the accelerometer to tell you where you were | 11:23 |
| solrize | they compensate for that | 11:23 |
| BCMM | also, does the n900's gps make assumptions about continuing in constant motion? | 11:24 |
| solrize | gps's always do that, they use kalman filters | 11:24 |
| solrize | very fancy interpolation | 11:24 |
| BCMM | a few times it has seemed to "overshoot" a turning, then correct itself | 11:24 |
| flux | here's the page at farnell for that module: http://export.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/hmc5843/sensor-digital-ic-compass/dp/1784722?Ntt=1784722 | 11:24 |
| solrize | yeah, i guess accelerometers can help with that too | 11:24 |
| solrize | it just sent me to a general page. but i think the idea is build it into the phone. i hope the next nokia has it. it's a cool feature | 11:25 |
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| phellarv | frals: Gotten any further in rewriting the statusbar plugin? | 11:36 |
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| frals | hm? | 11:37 |
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| Duckboot | frals: You mentioned something on Twitter about rewriting the statusbar-plugin in C. | 11:37 |
| mece | you guys seem bored.to pass the time you can test Qlister (aka the least exciting app ever to hit extras-testing): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52113 | 11:38 |
| frals | yes, i finished it the same day iirc, its already in -devel ;) | 11:38 |
| Duckboot | Weeee | 11:38 |
| mece | frals, the what now? | 11:39 |
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| Duckboot | frals: Faster than a speeding bullet? | 11:39 |
| mece | fralster than a speeding bullet | 11:39 |
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| frals | mece: statusbar plugin for fmms.. i wrote it in python first, which, it turns out, isnt made for always running stuff as it drained the battery noticably :p | 11:40 |
| mece | frals, aah. rainBOWS. I like those. | 11:40 |
| frals | or rather, importing gtk in a python app thats always running is a bad idea ;) | 11:40 |
| mece | frals, is the python app loop heavy on batteries? | 11:40 |
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| frals | for some reason importing gtk in python seems to start the gtk.mainloop or something | 11:41 |
| mece | frals, oh.. | 11:41 |
| mece | frals, how curious. Also, good to know. Perhaps one should only import certain bits of gtk. Or just write in pyqt. Now that pyqt4.7.3 is in extras. | 11:42 |
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| frals | mece: so this list i made in qlister, its saved even though i quit the app right? | 11:43 |
| mece | frals, yep. if you've clicked "save" | 11:45 |
| mece | frals, the "ticks" aren't saved. | 11:46 |
| frals | mece: does it ask me to save when i quit? | 11:46 |
| mece | frals, no, but if you see the list in the main list window, then it's saved. | 11:46 |
| frals | mece: ok, thanks | 11:46 |
| * frals is going shopping in a bit | 11:46 | |
| mece | :D | 11:46 |
| Duckboot | Desktop Activity is nice - 1 Clutter Desktop when I'm running from charger to charger - 1 Clean desktop when I'm far away from chargers. | 11:47 |
| mece | frals, buy me a mars bar. | 11:47 |
| Corsac | Duckboot: when using desktop activities and a clean desktop, the widgets don't run at all? | 11:48 |
| Corsac | or are they just not displayed? | 11:48 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: They aren't run. | 11:49 |
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| Corsac | ok | 11:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | The N900's screen looks awesome without a protector | 11:50 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: Otherwise the effect would be /dev/null | 11:50 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: It does - But it's a bit easy to scratch. | 11:50 |
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| frals | the few scratches i got on my screen after ~6 months without a protector are only visible if you really look for them in bright light at the correct angle :) | 11:53 |
| Duckboot | frals: But you know they are there, and it does irritate you ;-P | 11:53 |
| frals | X-Fade; is the list at http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ being updated? it seems pretty much static lately | 11:54 |
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| frals | Duckboot: nah, as i dont see them in normal usage i dont care :) | 11:54 |
| frals | what is annoying is the paint coming of the keys thou | 11:54 |
| frals | ctrl, a, s and e all starting to lose paint :( | 11:54 |
| frals | or well, ctrl is mostly gone so its annoyingly bright when backlight is on | 11:55 |
| Duckboot | frals: You have sandpaper on you fingertips? | 11:55 |
| frals | no :( | 11:56 |
| solrize | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/18/nokia-n900s-gps-is-amazing-but-it-does-not-have-a-digital-compass/ | 11:56 |
| Duckboot | solrize: So - Just move a bit = Problem solved. | 11:57 |
| lardman | thp: pong | 11:57 |
| Duckboot | solrize: And didn't you learn have to use an analock clock and the sun to determine the direction? | 11:58 |
| Duckboot | s/have/how | 11:58 |
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| BCMM | frals: re: scratches, is that because the screen is tough or because you are careful? | 12:07 |
| frals | well i dont put my keys in the same pocket, other than that i wouldnt say im careful | 12:08 |
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| Duckboot | I use a screen protector and I use condoms - I gotta protect my most important belongings. | 12:09 |
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| Corsac | I hope you don't mix them up | 12:10 |
| Duckboot | Corsac: Nah rubber screen isn't any fun. | 12:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | frals, well, my N97 got scratched without putting it with any keys | 12:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i think it was the stylus | 12:18 |
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| thp | lardman: wanted to ask you something about mbarcode, but it has answered itself on t.m.o in the meantime :) | 12:22 |
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| solrize | several used n900's on craigslist... that's a bit tempting | 12:27 |
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| anvith3 | i have made a program for N810 which reads out the touch location on a window through flite. how do i get the binary to run as a daemon. i didnt really understand the daemonization part in the manual so askin for a little help | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | thp: then why do you bother him? | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | thp: just kidding, no worries :) | 12:33 |
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| crashanddie | solrize: you're surprised that some guy who owns "mynokiablog.com" is saying "GPS on the N900 is amazing", and his only source is a makerting guy's twitter feed? | 12:35 |
| solrize | huh? nah i wasn't paying attention to the amazing gps thing, just that it didn't have a compass | 12:36 |
| solrize | is the gps any good? the n810's was famously bad | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | well, I haven't used it tbh | 12:36 |
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| sECuRE | the non-assisted GPS sucks | 12:36 |
| sECuRE | assisted GPS works quite good | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | it locks on quick, but maps is below standards | 12:37 |
| solrize | the map application needs internet? bleccch | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | the n810 really got me used to "it's a brag thing, not a feature". Plus the maps app sucks donkey balls. | 12:37 |
| talonz | my gps on the n900 indoors says im in melbourne which is about 1000kms away | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways no IL maps, so I couldn't care less | 12:37 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: should've gotten the US version. They always have IL maps, ready for invasion. | 12:38 |
| solrize | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542548 these ppl say the n900 gps is worse than the 810 | 12:38 |
| Lynoure | Are there any devices that have good GPS when indoors? | 12:38 |
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| crashanddie | Lynoure: nope | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | The N900 locks on here | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | indoors | 12:38 |
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| solrize | gps doesn't work indoors | 12:38 |
| Lynoure | I'd say that if you are indoors and don't know where you are, there is something massively wrong with your life =) | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, I knew you'd say that :P | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 12:39 |
| talonz | ive seen a heap of youtube vids that show gps working indoors fairly well | 12:39 |
| talonz | for the n900 | 12:39 |
| zaheerm | Lynoure, you may have been kidnapped by a rogue government | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | isn't "fine accuracy" a lock? | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | Lynoure: that happened to me a lot more often than you'd think ;) | 12:39 |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: how kind of them to leave you with your N900 (it's probably tapped) | 12:39 |
| Lynoure | :) | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | they thought it was a brick | 12:40 |
| lcuk | the jack bauer/mcguyver use case is practical for indoor gps: you wake up in a mysterious jailcell somewhere in the world. the only things around are your n900, a hair clip and some chewing gum | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | Lynoure: yes, because we all know that just by having your phone on, your friends can track your GPS, see the path you've travelled, and even tell whether you're alive or not. | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | GPS has a built in heartbeat sensor | 12:41 |
| Lynoure | crashanddie: Luckily I watch too little TV =) | 12:41 |
| Duckboot | lcuk: There is always the Chuck Norris solution. Roundhouse-kice your way out. | 12:41 |
| asj_ | if someone wants a bad gps receiver get an n97 | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | mine was good :P | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | Symbian sucks anyways | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | good thing I sold it | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: attach hair clip to antenna to get a fix, then attach hair clip using chewing gum to the GSM antenna and call friends/cops with your location. | 12:41 |
| Lynoure | I can do comparations with E55 and N900, if anyone is curious | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | (had to live with an N73 for a while, but... the N900 was worth it) | 12:42 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: or maybe bend the hair clip so that it makes a parabollic antenna and use it to focus the n900's power into a specific direction | 12:42 |
| Trewas | is there actually a working method to get maps (for ovi maps) pre-loaded to n900? pc suite just goes to a web page saying "you could get one of these other phones if you want navigation" and map loader does not find the phone at all | 12:43 |
| solrize | i just got an e63 to help resist spending the $$ on an n900 | 12:43 |
| Corsac | (I have to admit an E900 would be really nice :) | 12:43 |
| solrize | but it's made me more interested in phone programming | 12:43 |
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| visz | Trewas, i have the same problem. there was an update on ovi suite just a while ago though? | 12:44 |
| visz | haven't tried that yet | 12:44 |
| Trewas | visz: I thought ovi suite does not support n900 yet | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | solrize: get yourself scratchbox and start developing. Then send to people for you to test | 12:44 |
| visz | oh | 12:44 |
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| crashanddie | solrize: if your apps are any good, I'll send you my n900 myself ;) | 12:45 |
| solrize | hmm | 12:45 |
| ham5 | I dont wanna 'develope' I just want to compile into ARM form... I run debian anyway... do I need scratchbox? | 12:46 |
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| solrize | apps i'm thinking of: 1) wifi video camera; 2) book scanner; 3) rockbox port; 4) high end audio recorder port for use with external (bluetooth?) a/d converter. any other ideas? | 12:47 |
| mece | solarize, does the e63 support Qt? | 12:49 |
| solrize | mece, i doubt it. it's symbian | 12:49 |
| Duckboot | solrize: a combined email/sms/im widget for the desktop | 12:49 |
| mece | solarize, well there's Qt for symbian. I think that's the whole point. Might not be there yet though. | 12:50 |
| solrize | it doesn't already have that? | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | solrize, get one done then you can know how to do the rest | 12:50 |
| Duckboot | solrize: Nah - e-mail and sms/im is separated | 12:50 |
| solrize | ic | 12:51 |
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| mece | solarize, number 4 sounds sweet :) do that one! | 12:52 |
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| Treibholz | Warning: do not use WD40 to oil the rails of the N900... :-( | 12:52 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: yeah, i heard stylii are killing screens left and right, wouldnt know as im not using mine at all | 12:53 |
| solrize | mece, i meant that app would basically be audacity | 12:53 |
| mece | solarize, ah. ok. | 12:53 |
| solrize | audacity port plus some external a/d, with an arduino | 12:53 |
| PolarFox | Treibholz: :D | 12:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | just noticed there's another sensor to the right of the camera | 12:53 |
| mece | OMG Hannu Mikkola has voted for Qlister! | 12:53 |
| frals | mece: autorotate would be awesome in qlister ;-) | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | never seen that before | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | well hidden | 12:54 |
| mece | frals, I can make it autorotate. It's the root of all evil though, so I don't really want to. | 12:54 |
| frals | mece: tis was well annoying having to rotate it manually for me.. but yeah, autorotate misbehaves at times | 12:54 |
| mece | frals, I could make it a switch actually. | 12:55 |
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| frals | moar settings = good! :D | 12:55 |
| Scelt | frals: haven't you added finnish translation yet? | 12:55 |
| mece | frals, well once this one gets to extras, I'll do improvements. | 12:55 |
| Scelt | frals: checked out changelogs since 1.0.9 and no mention about it | 12:56 |
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| frals | Scelt: hmm, i just might have forgot to mention it in the changelog | 12:57 |
| Trewas | ok, after a reboot and running the map loader in xp comp. mode (windows 7) the stupid program actually sees the phone iff it has been plugged in before starting the program | 12:58 |
| frals | Scelt: my buildscript automatically gets all the translations without me doing anything, so i might just have forgot to add it in changelog... ;o | 12:58 |
| Scelt | frals: np, nice to get no credits | 12:58 |
| frals | mece: alright, fair enough :) | 12:58 |
| Trewas | if using the mass storage mode it orders me to reconnect in pc suite mode, and if in pc suite mode then in mass storage... | 12:58 |
| frals | Scelt: credits are on transifex site! (ill add it when i update package tonight) | 12:58 |
| Scelt | frals: just kidding :] | 12:58 |
| solrize | so is new hw coming? we're about due for it | 12:59 |
| mece | hmm apparently longpress->blue key doesn't work in QTextEdit... Is this so? | 12:59 |
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| DangerMaus | is the os update all good? any issues? | 13:00 |
| mece | heey! New search functions! Yay! | 13:01 |
| frals | mece: voted on qlister, nice work so far, looking forward to autorotation and multiple lists... ;-) | 13:02 |
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| mece | frals, ok :) | 13:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yay my holiday's 74 days | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyone got a good pygtk tutorial? (*trouts frals*) | 13:06 |
| solrize | the bh-905 headset looks really nice except it has an iphone-like unreplaceable battery | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | and please, don't suggest Qt | 13:06 |
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| tekojo | solrize: show me a bt headset with a replaceable battery... | 13:06 |
| mece | MohammadAG51, hmm.. I used something very simple when I started with that. | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals claims he was a n00b six months ago | 13:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | oi! answer me or i'll trout ye again | 13:07 |
| solrize | tekojo, i haven't been able to find one, but most of them suck for multiple reasons and the bh905 sucks mostly for just one reason ;) | 13:07 |
| alterego | pygtk isn't that hard. do you have any gtk C exp? | 13:07 |
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| solrize | and when it's a 10 gram tiny thing the internal battery is more forgiveable | 13:07 |
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| mece | frals, MohammadAG51, n00b -> l33t in 6 months.. totally doable :P | 13:08 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: also, why not Qt? :P | 13:08 |
| solrize | i've always used tkinter :-P | 13:08 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: pygtk.org | 13:08 |
| tekojo | solrize: I prefer the bh-214 | 13:09 |
| frals | http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html even | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, it's not well documented | 13:09 |
| frals | so finns, does mcdonalds in finland give away free coke glasses with each meal like they do in sweden currently? | 13:09 |
| tekojo | solrize: 3.5mm plug let's you use your favourite headphones | 13:09 |
| solrize | bh-214 has wires flopping around! what kind of a wireless headset is that??!! :) | 13:09 |
| Scelt | frals: ye, plus meals | 13:09 |
| frals | Scelt: awesome, thanks | 13:09 |
| tekojo | frals: unfortunately yes | 13:09 |
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| Scelt | frals: np | 13:09 |
| solrize | 905's most interesting feature is advanced noise cancellation | 13:10 |
| tekojo | solrize: :) the small stereo type | 13:10 |
| solrize | i have a bunch of older tech NC headphones | 13:10 |
| solrize | that aren't so great | 13:10 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: well, Qt's well documented and they're pretty close :P | 13:10 |
| solrize | i dont see any mention of bh214 being able to pair with more than one phone | 13:11 |
| alterego | and I didn't think pygtk was tghat well documented either tbh :/ spend most time looking at the normal gtk docs | 13:11 |
| solrize | or multipoint (that's less important) | 13:11 |
| pupnik_ | am i the only who is scared the next meego phone will be "worse" than n900? | 13:11 |
| frals | tekojo: free glasses are good if you are going to live in a hotel for the next few weeks... ;) | 13:12 |
| solrize | pupnik_, hm, that's a scary thought:) | 13:12 |
| alterego | pupnik_: no keyboard, capacitive screen. no, you're not the only one ;) | 13:12 |
| tekojo | frals: :D | 13:12 |
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| solrize | so i stlil have a 770, what can i do with it? | 13:12 |
| alterego | solrize: build an N900 stealing robot? :) | 13:13 |
| solrize | hee | 13:13 |
| pupnik_ | 770 is great for shell sessions with a t keybooard. can also stream music to your stereo. | 13:13 |
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| pupnik_ | a bluetooth keyboard | 13:13 |
| solrize | hmm, maybe i can use my e63 as a bt keyboard ;) | 13:14 |
| alterego | 770 makes a nice toy for the kids too O_O | 13:14 |
| alterego | heh | 13:14 |
| pupnik_ | 770 in case is pretty hard to break | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, you use pyside, so shush | 13:14 |
| solrize | stream music to my stereo from where??? | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | also, I really like output when I fsck up with pyQt, not a "Segmentation Fault" | 13:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I'm using PySide now, but zI've used pygtk loads too :P | 13:15 |
| pupnik_ | 770 can stream music from a desktop server or from internet solrize | 13:15 |
| solrize | i dont' have a desktop pc, i have a lot of laptops and i could connect one to my stereo directly ;) | 13:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: yes, that is very annoying I must admit. it seems to be really bad with reference counting O_o | 13:16 |
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| alterego | also, somewhat inconsistent about it | 13:16 |
| solrize | oh well, i better go to bed. scratchbox looks interesting and i may play with it | 13:17 |
| solrize | lua seems nicer than python for embedding | 13:17 |
| solrize | and webheads are used to javascript | 13:17 |
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| ecksun | hmm, how would one go about displaying a custom message when there is an incoming call, Im thinking about writing something that looks up a number online if the number doesnt exist in the phone book | 13:20 |
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| alterego | ecksun: if it's a daemon, then look at osso notifications. | 13:22 |
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| ecksun | hmm, okay, will do that, but I was thinking more about altering the normal dialog (the one with answer/decline buttons). is that still the place to look? | 13:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i'd use Qt if I could use bits from gtk | 13:24 |
| mece | frals, if you don't feel like waiting, just open /opt/qlister/qlister.py with your favorite editor and add self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True) around line 24 | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | but... importing gtk segfaults it, so... | 13:24 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: PyQt or PySide? | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | I like how adding one line python allows rotation, but in C i have to define it all... | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, pyQt | 13:25 |
| * Cabletwitch pokes frals | 13:25 | |
| Cabletwitch | Question for you, sir. | 13:25 |
| frals | yes? | 13:25 |
| frals | mece: alright, cheers :) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, technically you shouldnt, we should have a function somewhere in a library to pass in a Window* to do it for us | 13:26 |
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| Cabletwitch | Are the settings in fMMS case sensitive? If so, I think I know whats not working... | 13:26 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I as going to say, works with PySide | 13:26 |
| lcuk | there may not be now, but that shouldnt stop it from being done ;) | 13:26 |
| mece | frals, you might have to quote out line 40 so it doesn't jump to manual rotation if you click edit. | 13:26 |
| frals | Cabletwitch: yes, very case sensitive :) | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, it works for noobmonk3y too | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | which annoys me | 13:26 |
| alterego | heh | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, I started on modest the other day | 13:26 |
| frals | importing gtk in a qt app o_O | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | but C... is mindf*** | 13:26 |
| Cabletwitch | frals: bingo. I asked the other day, and apparently I'm not the only one with this. something in PR1.2 auto-caps the settings, and I cant use the shift key to drop it back to lower case. | 13:27 |
| alterego | So, why not PySide? :P | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals noobmonk3y imports both gtk and hildon | 13:27 |
| lcuk | Noobmon3y imports kitchensink too | 13:27 |
| frals | Cabletwitch: enter the letter twice and then remove the first one is the workaround :) | 13:27 |
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| alterego | Cabletwitch: you can write it like Ccable and go back and delete the first char :) | 13:27 |
| Cabletwitch | Oh goody. I shall try that. | 13:27 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: noobmonk3y was importing pyqt, pyside, gtk and hildon... | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | Cabletwitch, or disable autocaps | 13:28 |
| alterego | oh hah | 13:28 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: nuff said, i had a go at him already! ;) | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals he still does :P | 13:28 |
| frals | he doesnt import pyside in latest | 13:28 |
| frals | but he still depends on it... :) | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | he imports gtk though :) | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | and hildon | 13:29 |
| frals | yeah | 13:29 |
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| Cabletwitch | MohammadAG51: Or diable auto-caps, yes. Would be nice if they werent damaged though (Not screwed enough to call em broken, I guess ;O) | 13:29 |
| Cabletwitch | Disable even. Excuse any typos, not enough caffine error. | 13:29 |
| * MohammadAG51 stamps it as RESOLVED BROKENINONEPOINTTWO | 13:29 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | or fixed in 1.1.1 | 13:30 |
| * Cabletwitch does ponder something though... | 13:30 | |
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| Cabletwitch | I presume you need to connect via the MMS connection fMMS makes in order to recive the damn things, yus? | 13:30 |
| Cabletwitch | Or will it work via any other connection present? | 13:31 |
| frals | yeah pretty much, depending on connection mode | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Bugzilla needs a THEREAREFIVELIGHTS resolution. | 13:31 |
| Cabletwitch | I know you have a readme squirelled away someplace... XD | 13:31 |
| frals | best way to test everything is to connect manually to the MMS connection ;) | 13:31 |
| Cabletwitch | Yup, done that. | 13:33 |
| Lynoure | I'm trying to get Mad Developer to use usb, but Edit -> Configure just leaves usb0 empty | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | "So tell me sir, can you look at your modem and tell me which lights are on?" "Erhm, lights 5 and 7" "Ah, so that's twelve" "Pardon me?" "Well, 5 + 7 = 12" "And, what does that mean?" "I don't know. I like 12 though". | 13:35 |
| Cabletwitch | Ok, the other thing I wanted to find out (I asked before, but couldnt get the reply due to being in the middle of nowhere with no GPRS) is who do I have to bribe/ask/seduce/threaten to get an auto-caps option in xchat? :O) | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | an xchat dev? | 13:36 |
| mece | caps? We don't need no stinking caps! | 13:36 |
| Cabletwitch | Names, damn you! XD | 13:36 |
| vldcnst | free dinners involved? | 13:36 |
| Cabletwitch | Also, frals, it works now! | 13:36 |
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| Lynoure | Ah, found the solution... the instructions forgot to say one needs to be in PC Suite mode | 13:39 |
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| andre__ | Lynoure, instructions where? | 13:39 |
| Cabletwitch | I'm curious... does the usb connection on the N900 act as a device only, or can it be a host as well? | 13:40 |
| mece | to be able to do a dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S with a pythonapp on the device, what does one need for that? | 13:40 |
| alterego | Cabletwitch: device only, people are working on host mode. | 13:40 |
| vldcnst | Cabletwitch: there is work going on to enable host mode. | 13:40 |
| Cabletwitch | Ahh, so its not impossible. Sweet. | 13:40 |
| Lynoure | andre__: the ones that came with the sdk beta... ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/readme/index.html | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: See http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host even | 13:41 |
| marcus | What was the "make" tool to compile for the n900? For compiling ARM | 13:41 |
| andre__ | Lynoure, so this is about MADDE? if so, feel free to file a bug report | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | marcus: make? | 13:41 |
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| andre__ | Lynoure, or the Qt SDK? | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | For development of host mode, the appropriate donations of hardware to test with may help. For example, small tropical islands, ... | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | marcus: make is make. | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: or large, for that matter | 13:42 |
| marcus | crrashanddie: Somebody made a binary to do it all. Can't remember the name of it. What I want, is to compile my C++ app, so it works on the n900. | 13:42 |
| Cabletwitch | 200ma fromt he USB port? Hello :O) | 13:42 |
| Lynoure | andre__: Nokia Qt SDK beta (if I understood right, it has MADDE). But, just a documentation oversight and I would not know where to file that bug | 13:43 |
| smhar | is there a LinkedIn application for N900? | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | smhar: no | 13:43 |
| hrw | smhar: what it has to do? | 13:43 |
| sivang | smhar: you can log into linked in from MicroB | 13:43 |
| sivang | just like that! | 13:43 |
| sivang | :) | 13:43 |
| * sivang never understood the facebook widget | 13:43 | |
| sivang | all it does is eat battery | 13:43 |
| sivang | :) | 13:43 |
| * vldcnst never understood facebook | 13:44 | |
| mece | sivang, it also scrolls some text in a box :) | 13:44 |
| Cabletwitch | Facebook - How to ensure you never get employed again... | 13:44 |
| frals | Cabletwitch: great :) | 13:44 |
| Lynoure | If the application list is now rearrangeable, how does one rearrange it? | 13:44 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: exactly :) | 13:44 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: I've managed to erase mine | 13:44 |
| mece | Lynoure, long click somewhere there | 13:44 |
| sivang | I got my freinds to report me, and they erased the account. | 13:45 |
| Cabletwitch | Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Web 2.Bullshit... all a waste of time and braincells. | 13:45 |
| sivang | not 'disbled' but not avaialble all | 13:45 |
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| sivang | in nowehere around | 13:45 |
| sivang | and so the spam mail stopped as well | 13:45 |
| smhar | I do no even have a facebook account :-) | 13:45 |
| Cabletwitch | sivang: Thats actually a really good way to get it nuked, yeah XD | 13:45 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: yes, I've been waiting a while to blog about this to not create panic with Facebook | 13:45 |
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| Cabletwitch | Oh, seriously, go create hell with Facebook, it'll really give em something to think about XD | 13:48 |
| spectre- | at&t switching to data caps | 13:48 |
| spectre- | eff that | 13:48 |
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| spectre- | everyone switch to verizon :o | 13:49 |
| spectre- | need a cdma n900 | 13:49 |
| marcus | crashanddie: Pretty sure MADDE was the one I was looking for :3 | 13:49 |
| Lynoure | mece: Thanks :) | 13:49 |
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| crashanddie | marcus: MADDE is quite different from make. Not my fault if you can't explain what you want. | 13:49 |
| Cabletwitch | spectre-: I do feel sorry for some of you lot stuck in the states with those carriers. | 13:49 |
| marcus | crashanddie: Ofc not, and please excuse my explaination. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: Twitter is useful - for some cases. It is great to coordinate projects where some may have poor, intermittent connectivity, perhaps limited to a basic mobile phone at times. | 13:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: If you've got - say - 10 people who may have computers, and be sitting at home, 5 people 'in the field' - it's really handy | 13:51 |
| Cabletwitch | I guess so. I'm just basing my opinion off the crap generated by 99% of 'normal' users. | 13:51 |
| mece | can I install build-essentials directly on the phone, or will that cause problems for me? | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | For tweeting that you've just gone to the toilet, and produced a _massive_ poo - less so. | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: yes you can. | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: IIRC lcuk did. | 13:52 |
| Cabletwitch | Speed: Funny that, I know someone on another network that uses twitter for EXACTLY that | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I also have - but in a chroot. | 13:52 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, from sdk tools? | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | cp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | chroot /home/user/data/chroot /bin/sh | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install build-essentials | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (with the right repos) | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: and that is different how from email? | 13:53 |
| mece | Speedevil, interesting... | 13:53 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, is that really all there is to it? | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: You can't get email on a 20 quid phone. | 13:53 |
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| crashanddie | and you can get twitter? | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: And if you can, it requires better than the intermittent coverage SMSs can do | 13:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: actually, most operators will allow you to email phonenumber@operator.tld and the guy gets it as sms | 13:54 |
| spectre- | dude verizon is great | 13:54 |
| frals | mece: fwiw i think lcuk actually installed it on rootfs on a fresh flash.. but lcuk can probably tell you more (highlight frenzy) | 13:54 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, and I can modify the files from outside the chroot directly from the ~/data/chroot dir, or? | 13:54 |
| frals | crashanddie: varies a lot between countries that feature | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I've not seen that in the UK | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | frals: true | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: no | 13:55 |
| frals | crashanddie: dont think any of the .se providers support it (mine doesnt for sure) | 13:55 |
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| spectre- | unlim flat rates | 13:55 |
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| spectre- | cdma is lol but otherwise data plan is good | 13:55 |
| spectre- | i'm in uganda and we're stuck with european carriers like france telecom/orange | 13:55 |
| spectre- | and locals like mtn | 13:55 |
| spectre- | and they're even worse | 13:55 |
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| spectre- | they only offer data cap plans because people don't know any better | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | mece yeah theres enough space on a clean install to just whack it and a few -dev libraries there, depending on what you need thats useful. for example to build liq* apps i only need one -dev library ontop of build-esssential but for everything else theres a metric shittonne | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: The idea is that that dir is then a complete build environment, isolated and not having to worry about using up extra space on / | 13:56 |
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| mece | lcuk, I guess building python requires.. nothing | 13:56 |
| lcuk | as speedevil says | 13:56 |
| mece | lcuk, besides the dpkg-dev | 13:56 |
| lcuk | building python? | 13:56 |
| mece | lcuk, well using dpkg-dev I mean | 13:56 |
| lcuk | if you are rebuilding entire python system you will certainly need heavy full dev kit | 13:56 |
| mece | lcuk, making deb files | 13:56 |
| frals | i assume for building a python package with dpkg-buildpackage | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: You can for example compile the kernel (in around 3 hours) (though my kernel that I made is not booting for some reason I have not debugged) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | thats different | 13:56 |
| Cabletwitch | Wha? Huh, catalogue failures... maemo.org., mozilla catalogue and maemo extras... are they down? | 13:56 |
| lcuk | not part of build essential | 13:56 |
| mece | lcuk, ideed :) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | and not directly available for on device | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: what's your provider in the UK? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | because the packages conflict with the shell thingy | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: t-mobile | 13:57 |
| mece | lcuk, so I can't have dpkg-dev? | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: try sending an email to phonenumber@t-mobile.uk.net | 13:57 |
| mece | lcuk, I want to do dch -i and dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S on device. | 13:57 |
| Cabletwitch | Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) | 13:58 |
| lcuk | mece, would be nice wouldnt it | 13:58 |
| lcuk | but thats not part of build essential | 13:58 |
| lcuk | see khertans pypackager for on device stuff | 13:58 |
| lcuk | but it might not work for you | 13:58 |
| mece | lcuk, no, it works fine. | 13:59 |
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| mece | lcuk, I'd rather use dpkg though. ok so that doesn't work on N900 because it's incompatible with the dpkg used by system? | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | mece busybox and gnu tools are the conflicting bits afaik - the debian build system expects real ones from what i recall its hazy tho i havent looked in a long time and am unable to dig into logs atm to find out for you | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <07943894922@t-mobile.uk.net> (reason: 550 Unknown local part 07943894922 in <07943894922@t-mobile.uk.net>) | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | maybe text.t-mobile...... | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: my bad, you need to activate the service first. Hang on, lemme find the number you need to dial. Then it's 10p per message you receive | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm. | 14:03 |
| Lynoure | Hmm, bah, cannot find qt-mobility-examples (just individual demos) | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GPRS works OK for me, so I can do email. | 14:03 |
| mece | lcuk, damn. It would be so much faster. Now I have to move the stuff to server, run the dpkg commands and them move back. | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | so far only network where i saw that thing working for free | 14:03 |
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| jacekowski | was plusgms | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Just bought another 6 months of internet | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | and they introduced it 10 years ago | 14:04 |
| frals | mece: git is your friend ;) | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | and it's still working | 14:04 |
| lcuk | mece on the server, use sshfs | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | +48number@text.plusgsm.pl | 14:04 |
| lcuk | to the folder on n900 | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | but it only works for plusgsm numbers | 14:04 |
| * noobmonk3y prods frals in the eyes | 14:04 | |
| lcuk | then just open console, browse to the sshfs folder and build package | 14:04 |
| frals | oi! | 14:04 |
| mece | frals, yeah, I use git for that. I still have to build on the server though. | 14:04 |
| lcuk | no implicit copying | 14:04 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 14:04 | |
| noobmonk3y | Morning alls | 14:04 |
| * noobmonk3y hugs frals alot.. then takes a step back, cos it may have been a little bit of a gay hug | 14:05 | |
| noobmonk3y | wohoooo | 14:05 |
| mece | lcuk, sshfs could speed things up... | 14:05 |
| frals | mece: true, same here... but i dont mind starting the vm to do it :) | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | H/c minus GPS bug is in the autobuilder | 14:05 |
| frals | lol noobmonk3y | 14:05 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: fixed dependencies? :P | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | should have :) | 14:05 |
| frals | nice :) | 14:05 |
| lcuk | mece its a hack - i strongly want dpkg on device too | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | waiting for it to build :) | 14:05 |
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| frals | looking forward to not having to install 20 mbs of stuff this tiem around then ;) | 14:06 |
| mece | LOL | 14:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals: probably only 19mb ;) | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | saying that i still have 88mb free in rootfs, so wasn't that bad | 14:07 |
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| frals | apt-get remove healthcheck && apt-get autoremove -> "After this operation, 22.0MB disk space will be freed" | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: can't find any reference to it on their website anymore. Apparently it was free 7 months ago (inbound emails were free, sending was 10p per message). If interested you can always call them and ask | 14:07 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:07 |
| * noobmonk3y might actually do that | 14:07 | |
| crashanddie | frals: same for you. It's a feature that was never advertised, but existed almost by default for every operator. Call them to find out. | 14:07 |
| frals | otoh i dont have any app using pyqt or pyside on that device | 14:07 |
| Cabletwitch | Maemo.org is being VERY slow right now... | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Anyway - it doesn't quite do the same thing - you can't send an email from a 20 quid phone. You can tweet. | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | Cabletwitch: ... no change there then ;) | 14:08 |
| frals | crashanddie: ah, could do that.. leaving the country this week thou so changing operator anyway ;) | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | hey, I used to send emails from my mobile phone 10 years ago | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | only through SMS | 14:08 |
| Cabletwitch | noobmonk3y: ITs getting progressivly slower to repond to page requests... impending failure? :O) | 14:08 |
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| noobmonk3y | Cabletwitch: PR1.4 release? lol - normally happens when something buig is happenning, and lots of people spamming :P | 14:09 |
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| Cabletwitch | PR1.4? We['ve only just had 1.2, let alone 1.3 ;O) | 14:10 |
| Duckboot | PR2.0.42 - The Solution | 14:11 |
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| mhmh | crashanddie fax through sms was more fun than email :) | 14:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | Cabletwitch: was a joke'ish :) | 14:13 |
| pupnik_ | how much did that ebay pandora sell-for? | 14:14 |
| pupnik_ | 580 pounds!!!! | 14:15 |
| pupnik_ | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200479755785 | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | And the last thing out of pandoras box was an item not as described claim. | 14:16 |
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| marcus | Anybody know why I would get this error when compiling using MADDE? checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 14:17 |
| pupnik_ | x86 cannot run armel perhaps | 14:18 |
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| marcus | Hmm, better google some. | 14:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: ping? | 14:27 |
| andre__ | timeless, pong? | 14:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you figure out 10468? | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess you did | 14:27 |
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| andre__ | see summary cahnge? | 14:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah | 14:29 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: just did a fresh install, all seems ok for me now :) - also minus the pyside stuff :) | 14:30 |
| visz | oh wow, new iphone has multitasking | 14:30 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: awesome :) | 14:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | visz: so did windows 3.1 :) | 14:30 |
| mece | hey, in depends field. should it be I put python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) or python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3) | 14:30 |
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| Cabletwitch | The iPhone can multitask now? Someone shoot Jobs or something? | 14:31 |
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| ham5 | jailbroken.. | 14:31 |
| Cabletwitch | Jailfixed, more like. | 14:32 |
| noobmonk3y | isn't it only selected multi-tasking though? | 14:32 |
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| mece | Cabletwitch, it's "multitask" not multitask though. | 14:32 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: Couldn't it before? | 14:32 |
| Cabletwitch | sivang: Not officially. | 14:32 |
| noobmonk3y | ie, you can't multi-task everything, just a select set of apps? - meh, i dont keep up to date with iupdates | 14:32 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: ah?? What do you mean? | 14:32 |
| mece | sivang , one app at a time. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | apps shut down 'transparently' | 14:33 |
| visz | oh, it's not real multitasking? | 14:33 |
| visz | =D | 14:33 |
| sivang | mece: so it could run only one app at at a time? | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's like 1990 again. | 14:33 |
| sivang | yeah | 14:33 |
| * Cabletwitch longs for the days of the Amiga when things really and truely did do actual multi-tasking, parallel rather than concurrently. | 14:33 | |
| mece | sivang, yep. Such is life with the most popular smartish phone in the world. Go figure. | 14:33 |
| sivang | Well, yet another comaprison point in favor of Maemo/N900 for my iphone freinds, although they'd probably never witnessed that or say this is untrue. | 14:33 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: I used to be among the users, did it have more than 1 proc? how did it acheive that? | 14:34 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to work out why his on-n900 built kernel doesn't boot. | 14:34 | |
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| Cabletwitch | sivang: Nah, the iPhoners will tell you that the N900 doesnt match their decor, therefor it cant be good ;O) | 14:34 |
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| mece | sivang, in most cases if a person has an iPhone and is happy with it, they would not like the N900. Unless they are linux hackers. | 14:34 |
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| sivang | Cabletwitch: I already ignore that :) so how can you be online at all time and get IMs and smss and emails at the same time? | 14:35 |
| Cabletwitch | sivang: What, the Amiga? It had a custom chipset that could work on different tasks independantly of the CPU. The 68000 was more of a caretaker than an actual CPU. | 14:35 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: I mean, surely there's an online preseance progam that works concurrently? | 14:35 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks this is turning into #iMaemo | 14:36 | |
| Cabletwitch | sivang: Ahh, certain things could run concurrently, but it was Apple code that could, all else was forbidden. | 14:36 |
| sivang | noobmonk3y: right, we should stop this OT | 14:36 |
| sivang | Cabletwitch: ah, how nice of them. | 14:36 |
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| sivang | "We achieve this slick and responsiveness not only by pushing 320x200 but also not allowing non core stuff to use concurrency!" | 14:37 |
| sivang | :-) | 14:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | sivang: "but, we're ooh shiny!" | 14:37 |
| lcuk | Cabletwitch, amiga did not really multitask the other chips, it just lightened the load to allow the cpu to do its thing, multitasking was a component of the OS and the 68k chip itself | 14:37 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: hehe | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: oh, and "we're clean" "no dirty stuff to worry about" | 14:38 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: no dirty? | 14:39 |
| sivang | what's considered dirty? :) | 14:39 |
| sivang | pr0n ? | 14:39 |
| Cabletwitch | lcuk: I was under the impression that the chipset in the Amiga was capable of carrying out tasks in dependantly of the main CPU, and only really recieved data from it now and then. | 14:39 |
| sivang | :-p | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: that isn't allowed in the store | 14:40 |
| Cabletwitch | Graphics, audio etc were all sybsystems that could function in their own right without having to rely on the CPU to babysit constantly. | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | "we're clean, don't worry" | 14:40 |
| sivang | heh I see | 14:40 |
| mece | whoa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=703348 | 14:41 |
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| frals | mhm, finally got around to getting a decent cheap switch for my home network \o/ Transferred: maemo5.vdi 23,25 GB in 5 minutes 52 seconds (67,53 MB/s) | 14:43 |
| mece | nice! | 14:43 |
| Duckboot | frals: That's quite OK throughput | 14:43 |
| noobmonk3y | not bad at al! | 14:43 |
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| mece | frals, autorotating qlister going to devel in a bit :) | 14:48 |
| frals | mece: awesome :) | 14:48 |
| Cabletwitch | Odd... the repos are working again... bah. | 14:49 |
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| mece | frals, I hope it works. | 14:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol, sure it will mece | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | Cabletwitch, sure, but the chipset didnt do general processing, it was useful to do blitting operations or audio processing or disk io etc, but general "programs" still had to operate on the cpu as normal | 14:54 |
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| mece | lcuk, Ended up using pypackager. it works fine for most of my apps anyway. Tho I really hope to get dpkg one day. | 14:56 |
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| benno2 | Hi, I have a problem with the maemo5 sdk. I'm using ubuntu 8.04, followed the howto on maemo.org.installed scratchbox and it worked.then I wanted to install the maemo sdk by issuing the install script but it says: Scratchbox user's bind mount... no. I issued: sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start but it did not help. any idea? thanks for help. | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | mece +1 you arent the only one | 14:57 |
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| Cabletwitch | Oh yes, I'm not saying the CPU wasnt important. But it didnt have to do a lot of the work that todays desktop CPUs do, it could hand tasks to the chipset and get on with the next job. The CPU and the chipsets could then do tasks simultaniously, as opposed to waiting for each other to start and stop. | 14:57 |
| Appiah | benno2: did you download the gui installer? | 14:57 |
| lardman | thp: np, sorry for the slow reply, busy morning at work | 14:58 |
| benno2 | Appiab: no I followed "install maemo on debian based distros", using ubuntu 8.04 (32bit). should I use the GUI installer ? | 14:58 |
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| Appiah | I have only used the GUI installer | 15:00 |
| Appiah | and thats on ubuntu | 15:00 |
| Appiah | not saying that's right... | 15:00 |
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| Appiah | never used anything else and I thought I could help you if you had problems with the gui installer | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | morning lardman | 15:01 |
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| benno2 | Appiah, thanks, will try now | 15:02 |
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| mece | hey general python thing, if a py app has a class in a different file, and the classes are imported in a main file, and both the main file and class file use for example a Qt function. where do I import the Qt libs? main or class or both? | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | Mece The main python file | 15:06 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, kthx | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | mece: the only time it is different i think is if for example only one small part requires something (ie dbus) then you would import dbus in that separate class / function. | 15:07 |
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| benno2 | even with the GUI installer I still get an error in the log file: Scratchbox user's bind mount... no. any idea how to solve it ? I had the maemo sdk4 installed and it worked (I now renamed the old /scratchbox to /scratchbox.old, does this interfere with the maemo5 sdk installation ? | 15:10 |
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| inkbottle | For this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous, phonetic fonts are missing. How could I fix it? | 15:12 |
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| inkbottle | I've tried to install android font but it doesn't make any difference | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | inkbottle: ie fix the website (That you own?) or fix it because on your pc it doesnt work? | 15:13 |
| Appiah | benno2: how did you start the gui installer? | 15:13 |
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| benno2 | Appiah, as user sudo ./file.py | 15:13 |
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| benno2 | then the gui turns up, starts working and aborts at the same point like the text based installer | 15:14 |
| Appiah | I see | 15:14 |
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| inkbottle | noobmonk3y_afk, No it's ok on my pc, but not on my n900 with microb | 15:14 |
| Appiah | maybe it has to do with the old SDK.. | 15:14 |
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| Appiah | dont you get any output in the terminal | 15:14 |
| Appiah | some debug/error info | 15:14 |
| inkbottle | noobmonk3y_afk, it is the phonetic information that are not displayed properly | 15:15 |
| inkbottle | it might be a matter of missing fonts (ipa) | 15:15 |
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| mece | noobmonk3y, bleh it didn't work that way. QWidget not defined. | 15:17 |
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| noobmonk3y_afk | hmmmm | 15:18 |
| * noobmonk3y_afk assumes there is a specific fonts folder on the n900 | 15:18 | |
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| benno2 | Appiah, do I need to use sb-menu before installing the maemo sdk ? | 15:18 |
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| benno2 | sb-menu works , asks if I want to create targets etc | 15:19 |
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| inkbottle | noobmonk3y_afk, perhaps, so i now have to find those folders :) | 15:20 |
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| * noobmonk3y_afk mackerel's frals | 15:22 | |
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| Appiah | benno2: no thats after you installed the SDK | 15:25 |
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| inkbottle | What is chinook? | 15:26 |
| Termana | inkbottle, | 15:26 |
| Termana | its a chicken and a Nook | 15:26 |
| Termana | combined | 15:26 |
| inkbottle | repo_deb_3 = deb http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/maemo/multi chinook release | 15:27 |
| inkbottle | what do i have to understand? | 15:27 |
| Termana | Seriously though it was the first revision of OS2008 available on the n800 and n810 | 15:27 |
| inkbottle | So it doesn't fit for n900 maemo5, then | 15:27 |
| Termana | probably not | 15:28 |
| mece | frals, rotating qlister in devel | 15:28 |
| frals | mece: nice :) ty! | 15:28 |
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| inkbottle | If i go on the site of microb, i see it's very old and unmaintained; is there a browser that is currently worked on? | 15:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'on the site of microb' ? | 15:30 |
| Termana | noobmonk3y_afk, http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/email-and-bacon-car.jpg | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh! | 15:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | And he's summoned. | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | inkbottle: What do you mean 'the site of microb' | 15:30 |
| BCMM | you can install firefox, chromium and some other ones | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | opera | 15:31 |
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| inkbottle | SpeedEvil, I don't remember very precisely, but i've done a lot of search a couple of weeks ago; it is something at 'garage'; and the last commit is very old: nothing had been done on microb code for ages, afaik | 15:32 |
| alterego | inkbottle: microb is based on firefox 3.5 that is hardly old ... | 15:33 |
| BCMM | inkbottle: if you don't like microb, you can install firefox, chromium and some other ones | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you may have been looking at the wrong codebase. | 15:33 |
| BCMM | inkbottle: but i don't think microb is that old | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Microb has had changes in pr1.2 | 15:33 |
| inkbottle | ok, it's a mistake for me | 15:34 |
| alterego | inkbottle: also, is there specific functionality that you require from some newer version of some software? | 15:34 |
| BCMM | did they merge the latest upstream Gecko and such when making those changes btw? | 15:34 |
| inkbottle | but the only site i've found it this one: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:34 |
| alterego | BCMM: not sure, I'm checking now. | 15:34 |
| alterego | inkbottle: I think everything is in gitorious now ... | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - that is hopelessly out of date | 15:35 |
| alterego | inkbottle: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2b6pre) Gecko/20100318 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900 | 15:36 |
| Termana | alterego, are you kidding me? Firefox 3.5 not hardly old. I'm rocking 3.7a4! | 15:36 |
| alterego | inkbottle: doesn't really seem that old to me. | 15:36 |
| Termana | :P | 15:36 |
| alterego | Termana: :) | 15:36 |
| haj | speaking of microb... it would be really nice if xmarks or something similar would be ported to microb.. | 15:36 |
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| inkbottle | alterego, i'm sure your right, it's only i haven't found where is up to date site of the software | 15:37 |
| Treibholz | xmarks doesn't even work in Firefox, here... | 15:37 |
| inkbottle | i'm new using maemo/n900 | 15:37 |
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| mece | bollocks, forgot to change pyside to python2.5 in one place.... ok uploading a new version. | 15:38 |
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| alterego | inkbottle: well, even though microb isn't the latest firefox engine, unless there's specific functionaily you require from a more recent release, it seems kind of pointless wanting to upgrade :P | 15:39 |
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| inkbottle | alterego, it's only i haven't found where is the actual repos of microb, because all i found is from 2008 | 15:40 |
| inkbottle | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/ | 15:40 |
| inkbottle | there | 15:40 |
| inkbottle | so i don't understand | 15:41 |
| inkbottle | alterego, but in fact the only thing i want is to wiew this page correctly: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous | 15:41 |
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| inkbottle | (it's an example) | 15:41 |
| inkbottle | it's the ipa part that is not ok | 15:42 |
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| mece | inkbottle, what ipa part? | 15:43 |
| inkbottle | mece, the pronunciation of the word in phonetic alphabet | 15:44 |
| inkbottle | does not display | 15:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | inkbottle: The SVN in that has - limited - internationalasition fixes as recently as 4 months | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/tags/?root=browser | 15:45 |
| inkbottle | ok i opened the link | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | however microb claims a microb-engine date more recent than that | 15:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/microb-engine-common/ I guess | 15:47 |
| benno2 | I installed the maemo5 sdk using the gui installer and now I can login into scratchbox and see the FREEMANTLE_X86 target. Is qt 4.6.2 already installed ? if not how can I install it ? | 15:48 |
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| inkbottle | SpeedEvil, thanks for the last link | 15:49 |
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| benno2 | fakeroot, and then apt-get install libqt4-dev, is this ok to install Qt ? | 15:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/microb-engine-common-ext/20090612-49.2/ | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | also | 15:50 |
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| inkbottle | Question: anyone have the phonetic part of : http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/miscellaneous? | 15:51 |
| benno2 | which cpu transparency method should I chose when selecting the freemantle_armel target ? qemu-arm-sb or qemu-armeb-sb ? thanks. | 15:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: am I supposed to see the current song in the status thingy somewhere? | 15:53 |
| mece | inkbottle, looks fine on my N900. | 15:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: I enabled it in the settings but there's no effect | 15:54 |
| mece | inkbottle, fine as in exactly like on my desktop firefox | 15:54 |
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| inkbottle | mece, ok | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: http://wiki.maemo.org/MicroB - refers to a mercurial repository for microb development. Where is this? | 15:55 |
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| inkbottle | mece, so you have this too: /ˌmɪs.əlˈeɪ.ni.əs/? | 15:56 |
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| Mece_ | inkbottle, I' here. on N900 | 16:01 |
| Mece_ | inkbottle, yes. | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hello | 16:02 |
| inkbottle | Mece_, ok then :) | 16:02 |
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| inkbottle | do you have pr1.2? | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~hello | 16:03 |
| infobot | Howdy Bub | 16:03 |
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| jcrawford | morning guys | 16:05 |
| Mece_ | inkbottle, me? yep i have 1.2 | 16:05 |
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| jcrawford | i have been having some problems with my contacts, anyone else have issues with merged contacts becoming unmerged after a short time? | 16:06 |
| inkbottle | "this maemo update requires the nokia software update application on your pc for installation. Connect device to pc via usb cable and open nokia software update application. The application will guide you through the rest of the Maemo update." | 16:06 |
| inkbottle | where can i have informations about that? | 16:06 |
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| Mece_ | inkbottle, you have conflicting software. | 16:06 |
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| inkbottle | no it's for the last update maemo5 | 16:07 |
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| Mece_ | inkbottle, yes, and you have conflicting software | 16:07 |
| inkbottle | Mece_, ok | 16:08 |
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| Mece_ | inkbottle, qt libs I suspect. | 16:08 |
| inkbottle | what istaller can i use then to solve those conflict? (i can first remove that then) | 16:08 |
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| Mece_ | gotta do some driving. afk. | 16:09 |
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| inkbottle | Mece_, i don't get 'driving' | 16:10 |
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| inkbottle | and the default installer doesn't give much control | 16:12 |
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| Mece_ | red light :) | 16:14 |
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| Mece_ | inkbottle, I'm driving my car. that's what driving means. | 16:14 |
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| inkbottle | Mece_, i couldn't imagine :), it's dangerous | 16:15 |
| jcrawford | anyone else experienced this problem? | 16:16 |
| jcrawford | to see it I added my exchange email account which also added my contacts. I then added my Office Communicator account which duplicated the contacts. I merged contacts but they seem to keep un-merging after some period of time. | 16:17 |
| frals | is the mergingstuff being synced back to exchange/communicator? | 16:19 |
| jcrawford | it does not seem so because i do not see the duplicate contacts in OWA | 16:19 |
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| Mece_ | yay.. ok the magically rotating version of qlister (0.2-5) is now in extras-devel, and it even works. | 16:27 |
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| frals | gah, transifex allows people to overwrite the .pot file :| | 16:30 |
| haj | Mece_: Looks nice (from the screenshots) think I may actually have to stop using conboy for my shoppinglist ;) | 16:30 |
| Mece_ | haj, :) | 16:30 |
| Mece_ | haj, I made it out of personal need :) It's pretty convenient. | 16:31 |
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| Mece_ | haj, vote if you like it. | 16:32 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | lol Termana !!! nice link! | 16:32 |
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| pigeon | is there a reason why weatherbug isn't available when i go to the ovi store on the n900? | 16:33 |
| Macer | how the hell do i delete this stupid mms connection the phone keeps trying to connect to? | 16:33 |
| Macer | i guess it is a remenant of when i tried fmms | 16:33 |
| frals | fapn lets you delete it | 16:33 |
| Macer | and i cant find out how to delete it or to stop the phone from trying to connect to it | 16:33 |
| Mece_ | pigeon perhaps it's non free? | 16:34 |
| marmoute | pigeon: because it's in the maem repositoty ? | 16:34 |
| haj | Mece_: it seems a bit silly it doesn't fill out the screen in horizontal mode. | 16:34 |
| Macer | frals: ok | 16:35 |
| Macer | will try it out | 16:35 |
| frals | Macer: otherwise let me know and ill guide you throu removing it manually | 16:35 |
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| lardman | noobmonk3y: morning | 16:38 |
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| lardman|busy | at least people will know I won't reply then :) | 16:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals , just seen the tweet - investimagating | 16:39 |
| * noobmonk3y waves! | 16:39 | |
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| noobmonk3y | harsh* | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | :( | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | banana? | 16:42 |
| benno2 | question about maemo5 sdk: can I have audio input when I start an audio app within the sdk ? the app starts but then I get an error:: Alsa lib pulse.c: PulseAudio: unable to connect: connection refused: and then : Unable to open input device "default" | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik there's no audio output from the sdk | 16:43 |
| pigeon | it's weird though, i don't see weatherbug in app manager either | 16:43 |
| pigeon | though apt-cache search shows it | 16:43 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:43 |
| benno2 | any idea how to fix this ? I think I don't have pulse audio on the host running. do I need to start the pulse audio on the host ? | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | Yay, resizable desktop widgets are so much easier in PR1.2 | 16:44 |
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| pigeon | and i can't apt-get install weatherbug, it just gives me E: Handler silently failed | 16:45 |
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| pigeon | if i browse the ovi store on my desktop, i can find weatherbug. | 16:46 |
| pigeon | which is also weird | 16:46 |
| haj | pigeon: you need to use OVI store | 16:46 |
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| haj | pigeon: just google it... that's what I did.. ;) | 16:46 |
| pigeon | haj: but then i can't find it using ovi store on the n900 | 16:46 |
| haj | http://store.ovi.com/content/36046 | 16:47 |
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| pigeon | if i goto that link on the n900, it redirects me to the ovi store front page. | 16:48 |
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| haj | hm.. weird | 16:48 |
| pigeon | indeed | 16:48 |
| haj | anyway, I couldn't browse my way to it either... I googled it, clicked the link, and then I could download it | 16:48 |
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| haj | uhm .. the danish version of OVI store says Weatherbug is no longer available | 16:49 |
| pigeon | my n900 is US, but i'm in australia, i wonder if that's the reason | 16:49 |
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| haj | pigeon: anyways, the handler silently failed-error always comes when you try to apt-get a program that's only available through OVI | 16:53 |
| haj | (afaik) | 16:53 |
| loufoque | I still wonder what change the region-customized firmwares do | 16:53 |
| loufoque | does anyone know? | 16:53 |
| loufoque | pigeon: do you have the right repos? | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: building a non-pysided version - that stuff is evil, it refuses to be removed! | 16:54 |
| loufoque | noobmonk3y: what's the problem with pyside? too big? | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | not needed :) | 16:54 |
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| * noobmonk3y has sent the new version to the autobuilder | 16:56 | |
| noobmonk3y | with added qwerty12 goodness | 16:56 |
| calvaris | I am experiencing some trouble to get my package listed in the app manager | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo fmms in the build queue | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | calvaris: which package? | 16:56 |
| calvaris | and it has already the Section: user/multimedia | 16:56 |
| calvaris | mafw-grilo-source | 16:57 |
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| * noobmonk3y is just looking at the mafw-grilo-source files hold on | 16:57 | |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm no idea | 16:58 |
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| calvaris | it was wrong the first time | 17:00 |
| calvaris | then I uploaded the second version with the right section | 17:00 |
| calvaris | but it does not appear yet | 17:00 |
| calvaris | it seems that the package has the wrong section, though the code I uploaded the second time is right | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | calvaris, link me to the maemo.org/packages page | 17:01 |
| noobmonk3y | when did you upload? | 17:01 |
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| pigeon | hmm: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=702017&postcount=43 | 17:01 |
| noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mafw-grilo-source/ | 17:01 |
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| calvaris | noobmonk3y: I uploaded last week, don't remember when exactly | 17:02 |
| noobmonk3y | hmm should be in there by now | 17:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | assuming the latest ver is - mafw-grilo-source 0.1.0-2 | 17:03 |
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| calvaris | noobmonk3y: yes, it is the last one | 17:03 |
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| calvaris | but there it says Section: libs | 17:03 |
| calvaris | and I changed it to user/multimedia | 17:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmm tried a re-upload did you say> | 17:03 |
| noobmonk3y | auto-builder does sometimes have fun :P - the code and category looks fine to me, maybe X-Fade can have a buthers :) | 17:04 |
| noobmonk3y | butchers* | 17:04 |
| noobmonk3y | wtf is up with my typing these days | 17:04 |
| calvaris | X-Fade: ? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Looking. | 17:05 |
| calvaris | thx | 17:05 |
| pigeon | that method worked. | 17:05 |
| pigeon | weird. | 17:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: = god amongst us mere mortals.... or at least a clever person who knows what he is talking about :) | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | Well, I actually think that Packages is right ;) | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's in libs | 17:06 |
| calvaris | X-Fade: what do you mean? | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | This really should not be a user/* library ;) | 17:06 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | It should be a dependency for something else, not an install target on it's own? | 17:07 |
| calvaris | X-Fade: so I have to create a meta package just for that? | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Why would your mother or uncle install this package? | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | From AM that is. | 17:08 |
| calvaris | because it provides plugins for the media player | 17:08 |
| calvaris | it is a lib, but with plugins that the media player will use | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | Ah, ok. I thought it provided plugins for grillo. | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | So the other way around ;) | 17:09 |
| calvaris | grilo has its own packages | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: +1 on MWKN | 17:11 |
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| calvaris | X-Fade: so what do you mean with the other way around? | 17:11 |
| noobmonk3y | innnnnnnnnnteresting | 17:12 |
| noobmonk3y | FMTx is not usable when a usb cable is in using mass storage mode, didnt know that | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Is 0.1.0-2 the latest version? | 17:13 |
| calvaris | X-Fade: yep | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Check the deb then ;) | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Section: libs | 17:13 |
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| calvaris | it has the right one in the debian control | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: That is what I see in the actual armel deb. | 17:14 |
| calvaris | X-Fade: I also see that, but that's not what is in the code | 17:14 |
| Macer | is it just me or is gtalk acting strange for anybody else? | 17:15 |
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| X-Fade | calvaris: Well, then it is not Packages at fault ;) | 17:15 |
| Macer | today it just keeps disconnecting and stuff | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Your source is also libs. | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | calvaris: Check after Package: | 17:16 |
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| calvaris | my source is not libs | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | It is. | 17:17 |
| calvaris | where | 17:17 |
| calvaris | I downloaded the code and the debian/control is right | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | Check your control file line 11 | 17:17 |
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| calvaris | oh f.ck! | 17:18 |
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| calvaris | lol | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | I feel this is a case of PEBCAK ;) | 17:18 |
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| * noobmonk3y grins | 17:18 | |
| noobmonk3y | PEBCAK? | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | "Problem Exists between Chair and Keyboard" | 17:18 |
| * noobmonk3y lol's | 17:18 | |
| calvaris | lol | 17:18 |
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| * noobmonk3y grins | 17:19 | |
| Lynoure | Those are the best problems... | 17:19 |
| Lynoure | easily fixed, usually :) | 17:19 |
| noobmonk3y | thanks X-Fade, sometimes common sense is all that is needed :) | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: problems with garage mail delivery :-/ could you look into it? | 17:23 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Specific examples? | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, got two delivery-failed mails | 17:25 |
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| frals | gaaaaaaaah why isnt dh_pysupport working properly all of a sudden! | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | old debhelper? | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | nvm, "all of a sudden" suggests it worked before | 17:30 |
| frals | yeah | 17:30 |
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| frals | about 6 versions | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://themeegoblog.com/2010/06/06/a-replacement-for-the-inbuilt-calendar-widget-is-here-its-awesome/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28The+MeeGo+Blog%29 | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - I can see why nokia wouldn't want to do very complex software - but this isn't that. | 17:31 |
| joga | yay tried first video call, seemed to work, although I don't see a "video call" option to initiate one, I just pressed the "Camera" button after connecting a normal voice call | 17:31 |
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| joga | (on skype) | 17:33 |
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| hrw | ~hail open source | 17:40 |
| hrw | cal-home-widget with 7 rows looks great | 17:40 |
| * infobot bows down to open source and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 17:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wow, awesome | 17:42 |
| Corsac | cal-home-widget? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: see SpeedEvil 's url above | 17:42 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, looks nice | 17:43 |
| Corsac | though it doesn't seem to display tasks | 17:44 |
| * TriztFromWork wants to go home | 17:45 | |
| Corsac | cd | 17:45 |
| hrw | Corsac: it does not display tasks indeed | 17:46 |
| * haj gets up and goes home | 17:47 | |
| haj | sorry Trizt :) | 17:47 |
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| wazd | hello maemo :) | 17:52 |
| * noobmonk3y looks at maemo waving at wazd | 17:52 | |
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| Mece_ | lol | 17:53 |
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| Corsac | ~wave | 17:55 |
| * infobot waves goodbye. | 17:55 | |
| Corsac | ~wave wazd | 17:55 |
| infobot | Bye, wazd | 17:55 |
| Corsac | hmhm | 17:55 |
| Corsac | why “bye” | 17:55 |
| hrw | hm. my local archive of debs has ~6500 files | 17:55 |
| hrw | quite lot passed though my n900 | 17:55 |
| wazd | cya, infobot :) | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: maybe because waving is associated to leaving usually? | 17:56 |
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| MOUD | hey all | 18:21 |
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| alterego | Working on the last feature before I repackage this to extras-devel :) | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, the im updater doesn't clear the status when the music player's closed | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: no fuzzy threatening please :-P | 18:26 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: that is one of the features I've added :P | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, cool | 18:27 |
| alterego | stop/pause now restore IM status | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | I was listening to the same song all night the other day | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 18:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:27 |
| alterego | I've also added debouncing for fast skipping of tracks, now there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status | 18:28 |
| alterego | Also added a button to enable/disable the service | 18:28 |
| alterego | And a load of refactoring | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | why? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status | 18:29 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: well, I didn't like it updating the status whilst you were skipping through tracks, and apparently I crashed someones msn pecan plugin, or something. | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 18:30 |
| alterego | It also no replaces with '<unknown>' if title/artist meta data is unavailable. | 18:30 |
| alterego | s/no/now/ | 18:30 |
| infobot | alterego meant: It also now replaces with '<unknown>' if title/artist meta data is unavailable. | 18:30 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, gonna push it into extras-devel in an hour or so, once I've finished repackaging it. | 18:32 |
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| alterego | Then, I've been using it myself, so if I don't see any problems, I'll push it to testing in the next couple of days | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 18:33 |
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| alterego | I'd push it straight to testing, but I think that's bad form really :) | 18:33 |
| alterego | Should give it a little grace period in devel | 18:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yeah, to see if it makes devices implode | 18:34 |
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| jperez26 | Anyone here alive? *poke* | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: mail issue seems to be fixed. Thanks :-) | 18:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | alterego: bad form? you can push it to testing whenever you want! lol | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: though I doubt the | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Or by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers: | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (enter your response here) | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | part will work, for answering to noreply@garage.org | 18:42 |
| jperez26 | Can anyone spare a couple minutes of their time? | 18:43 |
| jperez26 | I'm looking to get some information for my N810 | 18:43 |
| MOUD | I am creating my own remote with IRreco but I can't find the model of my TV on the download list. What do I do? | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jperez26: just ask | 18:45 |
| jperez26 | Oh, right | 18:45 |
| jperez26 | Well, I haven't used my N810 in a while nor have I really lurked the Maemo Talk forums since the release of the N900 | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MOUD: find a compatible remote (using same chipset), or create your own config by recording the original remote. See LIRC homepage for details | 18:47 |
| jperez26 | I'm looking to bring new life to my N810 and was either looking to get Mer or something else along those lines, but I see the Mer project was scrapped in favor of MeeGo, which doesn't seem to be N8x0-friendly | 18:47 |
| MOUD | DocScrutinizer: Nice, tks :) | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jperez26: for meego /join #meego | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jperez26: mer is actually "dead" - ask Stskeeps | 18:49 |
| jperez26 | Yeah, I kinda got that from the Mer site, which is a shame really | 18:49 |
| * MohammadAG51 resurructs Mer | 18:49 | |
| jperez26 | lol | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, never kill a project | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a bad step | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mer has become meego, which isn't exactly N8x0 unfriendly | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask Stskeeps | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not *my* domain | 18:50 |
| jperez26 | My overall question is what are my options for my N810? I was ready to sell it a few months ago, but changed my mind | 18:50 |
| jperez26 | AND that sounds like a good idea | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, well you killed another project | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | i just forgot the channel name | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm frequently using my N810, with diablo | 18:51 |
| alterego | I don't actually know what to do about my N810, I keep looking at it and feeling sad :D | 18:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer kills MohammadAG51 | 18:51 | |
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| jperez26 | I like Diablo, but I also liked the concept and overall idea of Mer | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | oi! i'm not a project | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: don't spread lies! | 18:52 |
| jperez26 | If I could afford an N900, I would, but sadly, I'm a cheap bastard | 18:52 |
| * MohammadAG51 slaps DocScrutinizer | 18:54 | |
| noobmonk3y | Swa one go on ebay for #200 yesterday :) | 18:54 |
| noobmonk3y | getting cheaper :) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got an unused packaged spare in my drawer ;-D | 18:55 |
| alterego | Actually, the N810 might make a nice Alarm clock/Photo-Frame | 18:55 |
| alterego | And Alarm Radio .. | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and whatnot... should get another 5 | 18:55 |
| luke-jr | ... | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, i can haz it? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOPE | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | as a memory for my after life | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | aww | 18:56 |
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| GAN900 | All qwerty12 ever seems to post anymore are super offensive comments. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh... where? | 18:58 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Diablo one? | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | he has a point lol | 18:58 |
| noobmonk3y | GAN900: I have to admit - that's one post that really has made me chuckle :P | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, I was gonna thank him :P | 18:59 |
| noobmonk3y | and he's done nothing but help me in the healthcheck threads lol :P | 18:59 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: he deserves a medal..... | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | then i realized it would be... | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | awkward | 19:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: don't worry. You can remove thanks | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I know | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | but it's still awkward | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, attack DocScrutinizer | 19:03 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer | 19:03 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~die | 19:03 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 19:03 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | TWO!! | 19:04 |
| * MohammadAG51 resurructs infobot | 19:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really amazing | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | thanks | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, fsck noobmonk3y | 19:04 |
| infobot | e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots! | 19:04 |
| jperez26 | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info about MeeGo. Still in very early development, but looks really promising | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk, bbl | 19:06 |
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| jperez26 | Anyone heard anything about Ubuntu-n8x0 or even deblet? Everything seems to be for the N900 nowadays, which is a good thing don't get me wrong, but wondering about continuing developement of those on the N8x0 | 19:07 |
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| luke-jr | jperez26: N8x0 is reduced to MeeGo and Gentoo | 19:09 |
| luke-jr | both in-progress ports | 19:09 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo works the most right now afaik | 19:10 |
| jperez26 | Yeah, read up on MeeGo, but didn't know about a Gentoo port | 19:10 |
| jperez26 | Hmm | 19:10 |
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| jperez26 | I also saw b-man's Fedora-arm project. Looks very promising, unless that's N900 only | 19:10 |
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| alterego | Gentoo, the worlds worst linux distro :P | 19:14 |
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| Chrome__ | ~kill MohammadAG | 19:15 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized photon gun at MohammadAG | 19:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | who was it that called it wastedlifetoo | 19:15 |
| satmd | can we stop bashing distros and metadistros? | 19:15 |
| jperez26 | lol luke, I see why you encouraged it. You're part of the team | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, ok | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | satmd, it's a curse I'm afraid | 19:16 |
| satmd | there's people loving gentoo and hating ubuntu and the other way around, too | 19:16 |
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| jperez26 | I'm currently running Ubuntu on my lappy :p | 19:16 |
| satmd | it depends on what one wants. period. | 19:16 |
| Cabletwitch | Brown or Green. | 19:16 |
| jperez26 | I agree satmd | 19:16 |
| jperez26 | I went for the Elementary look | 19:17 |
| satmd | I'd recommend ubuntu to my workmates, but I use gentoo for development | 19:17 |
| satmd | :) | 19:17 |
| jperez26 | A nice silvery finish | 19:17 |
| * RST38h yawns | 19:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | recommending ubunto is really mean - oops another bashing :-P | 19:17 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | all distros that have GNOME rock | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | KDE sucks | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick MohammadAG51 | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 19:18 |
| jperez26 | Ubuntu is like the beginners Linux. I'm still trying to get into Linux myself after a childhood of servitude with Windows T_T | 19:18 |
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| konfoo | ive been using linux since SLS and i use ubuntu | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | Debian won't install on my system | 19:18 |
| Cabletwitch | Linux scares me. Almost as much as the deranged userbase... XD | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | so i'm stuck with ubuntu | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Which userbase? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jperez26: so you'll like that one: http://xkcd.com/424/ | 19:19 |
| jperez26 | I like GNOME over KDE, but KDE has a certain appeal still | 19:19 |
| * RST38h knows a few deranged userbases | 19:19 | |
| konfoo | i dont have the time or inclination to much with stupid shit anymore | 19:19 |
| Cabletwitch | RST38h: Present company excepted, I think. You guys are more helpful than some I've encountered. | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | GNOME owns all | 19:19 |
| konfoo | s/much/muck | 19:19 |
| * MohammadAG51 cues DocScrutinizer's kick | 19:19 | |
| jperez26 | pro lol | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Ah, don't you judge us too soon =) | 19:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, reminder, 15 minutes till the importer runs | 19:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hey, are you there? | 19:21 |
| Cabletwitch | Oh, I assume all knowledgeable people can be right utter bastards too, dont you worry. I've used the net long enough to have have the required level of jaded cynicism. | 19:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 19:21 |
| * MohammadAG51 didn't get kicked | 19:21 | |
| wazd | RST38h: moo :) | 19:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Could you give me a little bit of artistic help? | 19:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure | 19:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Need two bitmaps corresponding to progress bars | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, XChat makeover? :) | 19:21 |
| Cabletwitch | You mistyped 'autistic' there, RST38h ;O) | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: !!!! what's with my xchat?? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: To be included into a version of the Carbon theme | 19:22 |
| jperez26 | Funny, using that too... | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it uses Gnome :P | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | blarrrghh | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep it | 19:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: Want them to be striped, in some accent color (let us say, blue) | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | and he's switching to gconf for settings | 19:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: Tried doing my own, but it does not look very good | 19:22 |
| * MohammadAG51 laughs | 19:22 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: GNOME Clearlooks theme has a progress bar that is close to what I want | 19:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: Example here: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/clearlooks.png | 19:24 |
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| jperez26 | You know, the only thing I hate about GNOME is the icon grid for the desktop...other than that, it's quite peachy | 19:25 |
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| wazd | RST38h: not sure if it's possible with current theme engine | 19:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: oh, it is | 19:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: let me see :) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: the progress bar will not rotate, but the static striped bar is ok too | 19:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: then I don't see any problems :) | 19:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: you need wxactly the same look? | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | wazd: same or close, as you see fit | 19:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: I made some other modifications to the theme, mostly rollbacks to the default one | 19:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: I was thinking about making completely flat theme :D | 19:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: the bars and the bug with the menu borders are the last remaining ones | 19:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: like WM7 | 19:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, it depends on how flat you want it to be :) | 19:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: absolutely flat :) | 19:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: there is a flat theme like that, but I am afraid it does not look very well. I am not sure WM7 looks good either :( | 19:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: The Carbon approach, with flat recessed keys and subdued colors, looks like the way to go | 19:34 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yeah, looks like you're right, diagonal stripes are possible :) | 19:36 |
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| wazd | RST38h: if you can hit me with archived files that you need to edit - that would be awesome :) | 19:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't have sliced theme actually :) | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | a'ok | 19:39 |
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| RST38h | a moment | 19:39 |
| RST38h | dcc away | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Looks like Iran is finally going for the big boom! =) | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | they're nuking Germany? :P | 19:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: radikal maybe? | 19:42 |
| RST38h | WIll just email instead | 19:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: fine :) | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Not sure about Germany, but they have got closer targets indeed. | 19:42 |
| * wazd sees some new stuff in PR 1.2 theme template... | 19:42 | |
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| RST38h | emailed | 19:43 |
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| wazd | RST38h: got it | 19:47 |
| wazd | nice cartoonish look :) | 19:47 |
| loufoque | anyone knows of a good playable game on the N900? | 19:48 |
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| pupnik_ | what type | 19:48 |
| wazd | loufoque: mahjong? :) | 19:48 |
| loufoque | there are many ports of games or emulators, but they key mappings are not good enough for them to be playable imho | 19:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: the original (by joppu) had a few wrinkles the author flatly refused to fix | 19:48 |
| pupnik_ | i hear real mahjong is multiplayerf | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: there are multiple games using the same tiles | 19:49 |
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| wazd | pupnik_: one player sets the shit up, second demolishes :D | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | is pyqt 4.7.3 in general release? | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...Symbian has got an Incubator | 19:50 |
| pupnik_ | maybe i know a programmer who could implement MP mahjong | 19:50 |
| RST38h | That is where they grow the hallucinogenic toads, I guess | 19:51 |
| * noobmonk3y prods w00t_ :) | 19:51 | |
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| w00t_ | honestly, not sure, I haven't checked pyqt in a while | 19:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 19:52 |
| noobmonk3y | thank you though :) | 19:52 |
| loufoque | i'd prefer a different style than mahjong | 19:52 |
| pupnik_ | pipedream: find a way to make every key and all bezel contain photovoltaic solar panel :) | 19:52 |
| * noobmonk3y blames frals | 19:52 | |
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| frals | wut? | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | uncooked trouts | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | :P removed pyside and now h/c has qt issues with some people, beforehand pyside controlled stackable windows :P | 19:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51, ? | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | who spells stereo as stero | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | no idea? | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | me? | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | you | 19:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | yay | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | i am special though | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | changed that, thanks mo | 19:54 |
| frals | noobmonk3y, need votes! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.1.8/ | 19:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~mohammadag | 19:54 |
| infobot | it has been said that mohammadag is special | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ~noobmonk3y | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 19:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, can you get rid of the hopefully part? in 'Send and receive MMS, hopefully.' | 19:55 |
| frals | why? :D | 19:55 |
| frals | its not a sure thing ive realised! | 19:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 19:55 |
| frals | mostly due to user error thou ;) | 19:55 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmm | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, noobmonk3y is a huge trout | 19:56 |
| noobmonk3y | how do i set healthcheck to require 4.6 .... in the imports? | 19:56 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: okay | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~noobmonk3y | 19:56 |
| infobot | hmm... noobmonk3y is a huge trout | 19:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: what color do you want to use? | 19:56 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel..... | 19:56 |
| infobot | ...but noobmonk3y is already something else... | 19:56 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: you set it in the depends | 19:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: same blue or gray or anything? | 19:57 |
| noobmonk3y | ffs infobot | 19:57 |
| frals | e.g. Depends : python2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6) | 19:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, forget noobmonk3y | 19:57 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: i forgot noobmonk3y | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel..... | 19:57 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: okay | 19:57 |
| noobmonk3y | so that should force the correct version or piss people who don't have it off? | 19:57 |
| frals | we agreed the other day that noobmonk3y is a sardine | 19:57 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: ye | 19:57 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, i'm a morphong trout | 19:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | morphing* | 19:58 |
| noobmonk3y | morphong? | 19:58 |
| wazd | time for revolutions! | 19:58 |
| wazd | revolution #1: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-pre-rm-eng-1.jpg | 19:58 |
| wazd | they reinvented floders! | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, noobmonk3y is also a sardine | 19:58 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51: okay | 19:58 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 19:59 |
| RST38h | OMG they invented folders | 19:59 |
| frals | lol wazd | 19:59 |
| RST38h | And Maemo5 still does not have folders! | 19:59 |
| * SpeedEvil submitted a bug about that! | 19:59 | |
| RST38h | Down, DOWN with Maemo5! iPhone reigns supreme! | 19:59 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Actually, Maemo5 supports folders but they disabled those | 19:59 |
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| wazd | RST38h: now when maemo5 will get folders at last, everyone will say that it just copied an iPhone | 20:00 |
| * RST38h enjoys Apple-free newsfeeds | 20:00 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: Of course. Lame copycats they are, those finns | 20:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: pick the color though :) | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I think the original gnome blue should do | 20:00 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, at the moment i just import python2.5-qt4-gui, python2.5-qt4-core, should i replace them withpython2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6) | 20:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: green/red/yellow generally have meanings, and violet is just too...violet. | 20:01 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: dunno what the correct version is but you specify required version by putting it inside () | 20:01 |
| noobmonk3y | oh | 20:01 |
| noobmonk3y | poo | 20:01 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: put >= whatever is the latest | 20:01 |
| frals | and you should be fine ;D | 20:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: no gloss? gnome has slight | 20:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Meanwhile, our friend Eldar has been dumped (again): http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/681111.html | 20:01 |
| noobmonk3y | my device says 4.7.3-maemo5 | 20:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: A bit of gloss will not harm it | 20:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: accordeon :) | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | of core anyway | 20:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | oh the main version does too | 20:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: he seriously suffers from some rare mental illness | 20:02 |
| frals | wazd: highlights in english? ;P | 20:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: ЧСВ? | 20:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | the question is (>= 4.7.3) or (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) | 20:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: ФГМ? | 20:02 |
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| mc_teo` | SpeedEvil: would you count the fact that everytime the battery is removed, the n900 shows the lang/region/time/date setup menu, on next reboot, a bug? | 20:03 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: the latter | 20:03 |
| wazd | frals: well, Nokia said to Eldar "fuck you" in formal words :D | 20:03 |
| wazd | frals: and he's pissed | 20:03 |
| alterego | mc_teo`: I would, if that happened to me :P | 20:03 |
| mc_teo` | alterego: i took out the sim to, so want to try reproduce? | 20:03 |
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| frals | wazd: about time :) | 20:03 |
| RST38h | frals; Not even that. Nokia simply stopped given Eldar the standard treatment given to journos | 20:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, seriously, his phrase about "I 'll stay here forever" is creepy :) | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: I know there is a little battery in there. | 20:04 |
| RST38h | frals: No more PR releases, no invitations to events, no officially leaked news | 20:04 |
| alterego | mc_teo`: Well, I've done both and I do it quite regularlary .. | 20:04 |
| mc_teo` | pr1.2? | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: I haven't yet worked out what it's connnected to. | 20:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: He is welcome to stay there forever, as far as I am concerned | 20:04 |
| alterego | mc_teo`: I'll have a check in a bit, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a difference if the SIM is in or not :P | 20:04 |
| dr34m | good evening... i just got this skype working here and had my first phone call via skype on the n900.. does anybody know if this is for sure for free? or how i can chekc that? and is it possible to have a video connection ? because it didnt work here | 20:04 |
| RST38h | As a monument to his own stupidity. | 20:04 |
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| mc_teo` | alterego: i meant i just took out the battery to switch sim cards, and then it showed the menu | 20:05 |
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| mc_teo` | and it showed again, when i swapped them back | 20:05 |
| alterego | Oh, right | 20:05 |
| johnsq | Hi | 20:05 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, Eldar is wonderfully entertaining though. | 20:05 |
| alterego | mc_teo`: probably sim swap | 20:05 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Yes, he knows how to throw a freak show | 20:06 |
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| GAN900 | I'll miss the broken English window into his insanity. | 20:06 |
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| GAN900 | I dunno how he became so "respected" in the first place. | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | Well, his main audience is Russian, so they do not get to enjoy his English. He is still pretty entertaining though. | 20:08 |
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| wazd | I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in me | 20:12 |
| wazd | Oh fuck, humanity is doomed | 20:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.reghardware.com/2010/04/21/iphone_owners_fancied_by_women/ | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | probably to steal your ipad | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | wazd: You have got an iPad? | 20:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's not my quote ofcourse :D | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Ah the horror... | 20:14 |
| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-070-rm-eng.jpg | 20:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 20:14 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | But it doesn't even have a vibrator motor does it? | 20:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.google.com/buzz/100276296790232547755/gTVSfBCwuPL/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%8F%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%83 | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Escape is cheating. | 20:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Kills 'em dead. | 20:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone point me at microb source? | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find the uptodate stuff | 20:17 |
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| frals | "Thank you for having us today. Today we're introducing 'Farming' for the iPhone. 'Farmville' is our most popular game, and we're excited to bring it to the most popular mobile platform in the world." | 20:21 |
| frals | oh, they releasing it for symbian? :+ | 20:21 |
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| matthew- | frals: wow ;-) | 20:21 |
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| matthew- | frals: was that on WWDC? | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, you play farmville? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | frals: dear god | 20:22 |
| frals | matthew-: yeah, lol | 20:22 |
| slonopotamus | who is on duty today? | 20:23 |
| matthew- | are they retarded? | 20:23 |
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| matthew- | frals: have u got any 'actual' figures when it comes to Mobile Platform Users? | 20:23 |
| frals | matthew-: nope | 20:23 |
| matthew- | frals: cause Mark Brailey from Intel got BURNED when he said 'Intel is the first company to offer multi core processors' | 20:24 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 20:24 |
| frals | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/google-android-smacks-down-windows-mobile-in-latest-gartner-data/3829 | 20:24 |
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| matthew- | ah gartner | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | frals: that's just produced/sold in a quarter | 20:25 |
| matthew- | http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013 | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't account for usage | 20:25 |
| matthew- | Worldwide Smartphone Sales to End Users by Operating System in 1Q10 (Thousands of Units) | 20:25 |
| matthew- | yeah well, if more people bought symbian based ones.. | 20:25 |
| matthew- | they will kinda use it ;D | 20:25 |
| wazd | "With Farmville on the iPhone, you'll be able to farm anytime, anywhere. But I'm most excited about how good tractoring just got" | 20:26 |
| matthew- | but thats only q11q10 | 20:26 |
| luke-jr | specifically, it ignores phones sold 10 years ago that still work | 20:26 |
| matthew- | 1q10 | 20:26 |
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| matthew- | luke-jr: well still :D | 20:26 |
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| wazd | RST38h: done | 20:28 |
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| matthew- | http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-200812-201006 | 20:29 |
| matthew- | that's interesting | 20:29 |
| matthew- | i dont believe ipone's got nearly 30% market share globally | 20:29 |
| matthew- | no f way | 20:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: thanks =) | 20:30 |
| wazd | matthew-: US | 20:30 |
| matthew- | wazd: it's blobaly | 20:30 |
| matthew- | http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mobile-os-market-share-600x335.jpg | 20:30 |
| wazd | matthew-: They said what is the marketshare in the US? RIM, #1 with 35%, iPhone, 28%, Windows 19%, Android 9%. | 20:30 |
| matthew- | there you go | 20:30 |
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| wazd | matthew-: I see 14% | 20:31 |
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| matthew- | wazd: yeah | 20:31 |
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| matthew- | but still im interested why iPhone would be the most popular one | 20:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: just finished the first season of Fringe. Drama :) | 20:32 |
| matthew- | if they said so on WWDC | 20:32 |
| matthew- | :) | 20:32 |
| matthew- | if it isn't BURN BURN BURN :p | 20:32 |
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| matthew- | and apparently android will be 2nd | 20:32 |
| wazd | "I don't know if you've ever seen this." | 20:33 |
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| matthew- | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139026/Android_to_grab_No._2_spot_by_2012_says_Gartner | 20:33 |
| wazd | well, kudos to Jobs :) | 20:33 |
| bernie | is meego something I could install on my n900 without horribly breaking everything? | 20:33 |
| wazd | he knows how to entertain the audience :) | 20:33 |
| bernie | for example, can it be installed in a separate partition? | 20:33 |
| wazd | bernie: not yet | 20:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Fringe is good. Kinda idea-free though | 20:33 |
| matthew- | wazd: Hmmm, | 20:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: I guess you are through all Firefly episodes by now? | 20:34 |
| johnsq | bernie: there arn't applications yet in the n900 image | 20:34 |
| matthew- | is there any link to the PR | 20:34 |
| matthew- | from WWDC? | 20:34 |
| t_s_o | new ideas are in short supply on all fronts these days | 20:34 |
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| wazd | oh, glass back, that's cool | 20:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: no actually :) | 20:34 |
| xDaReaperx | Hi | 20:34 |
| frals | matthew-: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/ | 20:34 |
| xDaReaperx | how is everyone | 20:34 |
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| t_s_o | i suspect we need something really new from physics or some kind of mind/machine interface before we get of this repeating threadmill that we are on | 20:34 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah Live from WWFC | 20:34 |
| Surfa | matthew-, well, android has very good offering in devices | 20:35 |
| matthew- | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-143-rm-eng.jpg | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - browser can be underrepresented. | 20:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: You should then =) | 20:35 |
| matthew- | its not an iPhone | 20:35 |
| matthew- | its THE iPhone | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | If your users do not like the browser, and don't use it much - your phone won't count much in that survey | 20:35 |
| matthew- | and still rim's got biggest market share | 20:35 |
| matthew- | ;d | 20:35 |
| matthew- | thuth be told | 20:36 |
| matthew- | i will probly get the 4G | 20:36 |
| matthew- | just to see how it works | 20:36 |
| xDaReaperx | well i wonder what will be new in the iPhone 4G | 20:36 |
| frals | guys | 20:36 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, 6 months from now, every to bit phone maker will be talking about thin phones, razr all over again? | 20:36 |
| frals | it got... INTEGRATED ANTENNAS | 20:36 |
| Surfa | and what new does the iphone 4g offer, why would it be called 4g? | 20:36 |
| matthew- | OMFG | 20:36 |
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| matthew- | frals: How did they manage it?? | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a pop-up antenna. | 20:37 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm i need brains | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | I want an antenna connector | 20:37 |
| wazd | I heard nokia already used this tech somewhere... | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | When using the n900 in landscape mode, with the keyb open - much of the signal is blocked | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | So I can attach some serious +19db directional antenna | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Well - that too. | 20:37 |
| t_s_o | the superlative carpet bomb and astroturfing have begun | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | the fm frequency is coming back in this format 107900 when it should read as 107.90 ... hmmmmmmmm | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: There are alternatives of course | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you want a hole in the case to access the connector :-P | 20:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | any quick python to turn it into the correct value? | 20:38 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: dived by 1k | 20:38 |
| microlith | o_o | 20:38 |
| matthew- | can I haz an iFon? | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | i did | 20:38 |
| microlith | 326 ppi | 20:38 |
| frals | divide* | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | didnt work | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/316/ | 20:38 |
| xDaReaperx | Atleast iPhone has a few game maker companies with them , nokia has none | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there are already holes, what's one more :D | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | just gave me 107 | 20:38 |
| xDaReaperx | even EA left Nokia | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | seems to auto round | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so just drill it | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | the connectors seem to be all there already X-P | 20:39 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: float(107900)/1k | 20:39 |
| t_s_o | SpeedEvil: never annoy an engineer? | 20:39 |
| noobmonk3y | almost frals | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | or maybe I could buy one of those HSPA+ modems that come with TWO full size SMA connectors :D | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | then i get 107.9 | 20:40 |
| t_s_o | 300dpi? i would say it depends more on the distance from the screen then the dpi count | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | not 107.90 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Cellular RF test connector X7500 | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 20:40 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: round() should be able to give you precision you want | 20:40 |
| wazd | too much happiness bout the display I think :) | 20:40 |
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| t_s_o | tho you can be sure that a lot of mediaphiles will be using that as a justification for talking about the dpi count of their last penile extension | 20:41 |
| frals | "retina display", just say its a 326dpi display? | 20:41 |
| wazd | frals: well, branding always works | 20:42 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, a = round(float(a) /1000,5) (Used 5 as 2,3,4 all did the same) still gives 107.9 | 20:42 |
| wazd | frals: your mind will catch iPhone 4 much faster than Nokia 692821 | 20:42 |
| t_s_o | frals: remember, its the company that needs to call their optical drives "superdrive" | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: or was it about GPS? or maybe WiFi/BT? | 20:43 |
| xDaReaperx | rofl : 10:41AM "You know you could help me out, if you're on WiFi if you could just get off... well we're having a little problem here." Oh boy, the iPhone 4 is NOT loading. | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y | is everyone on the planet talking to frals tonight lol | 20:43 |
| derf | t_s_o: They called their floppy drives that, too, back in the day. | 20:43 |
| xDaReaperx | well not me | 20:43 |
| wazd | but the design is sexy | 20:43 |
| frals | "Okay, we're going to switch over to some backups here, I have a feeling we might have the same problem..." Deadly silent here. Oooh, error ballon about the dock connector! "Well geez..." Wow. | 20:43 |
| frals | lolz | 20:43 |
| t_s_o | derf: why am i not surprised | 20:43 |
| frals | BSOD moment | 20:43 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 20:43 |
| wazd | I've said that before and I was sure that the back is made of glass :) | 20:43 |
| derf | It almost meant something then, because they could read single density, double density, _and_ high density floppies. | 20:44 |
| t_s_o | huh, a live demo that fails during a apple event? must be sabotage... | 20:44 |
| xDaReaperx | haha Fail : 10:43AM Someone is going down for this network glitch. | 20:44 |
| wazd | t_s_o: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKKQNZG3rE | 20:45 |
| matthew- | 10:04AM "It is magical, I know it because I got this email: I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in me!." "So there's proof." Huge cheers. | 20:45 |
| matthew- | materialistic whore | 20:46 |
| t_s_o | sit at a cafe doing anything "unusual" and some girl will inevitably walk up and wonder whats going on | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | the story does not say if it was a female dog going to piss on him | 20:46 |
| matthew- | oh im gonna flame the guy from ZYNGA | 20:47 |
| wazd | 78% of the pixels on iPad. 800% of the pixels on Nokia 3210! Isn't that magical? | 20:47 |
| frals | RE: Display "We think this will set the standard, and no one is going to come close." | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 20:47 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 20:47 | |
| pexi | http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2010-06-07/m1275930352.jpg | 20:47 |
| frals | so 326dpi 960x640 display is impossible for anyone else? O_o | 20:47 |
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| wazd | "So that is the Retina Display. Awesome text, awesome images, and awesome video. We think this will set the standard, and no one is going to come close." | 20:47 |
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| wazd | oh yeah | 20:48 |
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| wazd | say hello to Tosh G900 with 3" 800x480 display | 20:48 |
| * slonopotamus enables anti-marketing-bullshit shields | 20:48 | |
| matthew- | pexi: I bet Steve put advert in Bravo Girl | 20:48 |
| matthew- | Email Steve about your experience with girls and iPad | 20:48 |
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| pexi | iExperience | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | slonopotamus: sorry, your shields needs to be remodulated for reality distorition fields if they are to help against a steve jobs presentation | 20:49 |
| xDaReaperx | the iPhone 4 is powered by the A4 chip. | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | that one will probably show up in more and more apple products over time | 20:50 |
| matthew- | Ok how will the glass front/back respond to being with keys | 20:51 |
| matthew- | in my pocket | 20:51 |
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| matthew- | iphone 3g didnt respond well... | 20:51 |
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| matthew- | and wait. they increased the amount of pixels by 4 times | 20:51 |
| matthew- | and the max is 300 | 20:51 |
| frals | hmm, whats the benefit of a gyro over an accelerometer in reality? | 20:51 |
| matthew- | and they've got 326... | 20:51 |
| t_s_o | matthew-: more case sales for third parties this way | 20:51 |
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| t_s_o | frals: i would say the two things are basically one and the same | 20:52 |
| wazd | frals: the question is, what's the point of having both of them same time :) | 20:52 |
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| matthew- | 10:38AM "People haven't even dreamed about a display like this" | 20:52 |
| konfoo | i gave up on the iphone after the touchscreen died as a result of me taking it out of my pocket | 20:52 |
| frals | yeah thats what im curious about - i was under the impression one of them would be enough | 20:52 |
| matthew- | Like text in a fine printed book | 20:53 |
| matthew- | text aint that fine ;D | 20:53 |
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| xDaReaperx | 10:52AM Steve is knocking blocks of wood out. | 20:53 |
| frals | "a whole new camera system" -- front cam? ;D | 20:54 |
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| zomg | frals: that would probably be "first of a kind" or "revolutionary" | 20:55 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... my desktop linux install is approaching 4th anniversary. time to upgrade hw, i think | 20:55 |
| t_s_o | hmm, seems the gyro and the accelerometer are two different things, but can be used for much the same. | 20:55 |
| xDaReaperx | So we've gone from 3 megapixel to 5 megapixel | 20:55 |
| xDaReaperx | they have a 5MP camera now | 20:55 |
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| t_s_o | the gyro stays the same direction no matter what the motion, while the accelerometer should detect where down is at any time, at least in theory | 20:56 |
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| t_s_o | backside illuminated sensor? another for the buzzword bingo? | 20:58 |
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| slonopotamus | t_s_o: illuminated sensor? | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | that doesn't make sense | 20:59 |
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| t_s_o | seems they have put a light behind the photo sensor to help with low light images in some way | 20:59 |
| wazd | backside illuminated sensor = LED flash | 20:59 |
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| t_s_o | well, the closest thing i can think of are cats eyes, and how they reflect light to help with low light vision | 20:59 |
| wazd | oh my god | 20:59 |
| frals | 'one click sharing' -> 'then with a few taps email it right on the phone' | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | what, like n900 has? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:00 |
| frals | yeah, i knew i recognized it! | 21:00 |
| t_s_o | heh, i thought my old feature phone could do that | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea why OMAP MMC is broken in mainline and what part of your patch fixes it? :P | 21:00 |
| t_s_o | are really US phones that bad? | 21:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: n900 has nothing with this revolutionary breakthru | 21:01 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: how can you even mention it | 21:01 |
| frals | editing videos on device looks good thou | 21:01 |
| frals | i wouldnt want to postprocess a 720p video on my phone, but nice to be able to | 21:01 |
| wazd | frals: yeah, it's like photoshop on a netbook :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: internal MMC is broken sstill | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | on n8x0 | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | er, n810 | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | well, gallery2 sharing is like 3 clicks | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | share->gallery2->share | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | more if i want to type a name and description | 21:02 |
| wazd | I still like the hardware design though :) | 21:02 |
| konfoo | poor att how is their network going to handle this | 21:03 |
| xDaReaperx | does N900 support 720 p recording ? | 21:03 |
| frals | great, facebookfeed started getting spammed with "i want iphone4" :< | 21:03 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: is it? | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | BTW, anyone know of a git port for fremantle? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: afaik | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: in any case, mainline won't boot due to MMC issues | 21:03 |
| frals | Jaffa: git-core | 21:03 |
| frals | Jaffa: if you want the client, that is | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | frals: repo? | 21:04 |
| Trewas | I think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backside_illumination will get some updates soonish :) | 21:04 |
| frals | Jaffa: devel i think | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | frals: yeah | 21:04 |
| jacekowski | since when it's called mainline | 21:04 |
| jacekowski | not vanilia | 21:04 |
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| Jaffa | frals:ta | 21:04 |
| wazd | heh, Jobs has pretty self-sarcastic mood today :) | 21:04 |
| frals | Jaffa: should be either devel/testing/extras since i have it on my 'not sdk junk' phone :) | 21:04 |
| wazd | "Isn't that awesome? So iMovie for iPhone... you'll be able to buy this for $4.99... if we approve it." | 21:04 |
| frals | np :) | 21:04 |
| xDaReaperx | lol ya | 21:05 |
| xDaReaperx | haha | 21:05 |
| t_s_o | i think i prefer the google io presentations :P | 21:05 |
| wazd | Jobs is taking hostages :D | 21:06 |
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| xDaReaperx | 11:05AM Oh my god. Jobs is asking everyone to turn off their network cards and MiFis! | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Is he going to detonate the Big One now? | 21:07 |
| RST38h | The EMP one? | 21:07 |
| xDaReaperx | now the ppl at engadget will be using a 3G card | 21:07 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:07 |
| frals | "So number 6 -- iPhone OS 4. The most advanced mobile operating system in the world. First off, we're going to rename it." "iOS 4" | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nah, he'll redress and re-appear as the antichrist | 21:07 |
| frals | lol | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | iOS 4? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 21:08 |
| frals | doesnt cisco have ios registred as a TM? | 21:08 |
| xDaReaperx | iOS 4! | 21:08 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah | 21:08 |
| xDaReaperx | renamed iPhone 4G | 21:08 |
| xDaReaperx | OS 4 | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Or is he simply afraid that demonstrating that shiny iMovie over WiFi will fail with other WiFi clients in the room? | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ios.. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | why do i sense trademark lawsuit by cisco? | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: Cisco will submit to the supreme power of the reality distortion field | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: After all, they had iPhone too | 21:09 |
| xDaReaperx | There are some big new features -- the first being multitasking | 21:09 |
| frals | "We've added folders, and a whole bunch of other things I won't have time to demo today, but I'd like to demo these few things." | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | OMG multitasking | 21:09 |
| konfoo | haha | 21:10 |
| * RST38h is frozen dead with awe | 21:10 | |
| konfoo | sigh | 21:10 |
| frals | "I'm going to play some music, now I'm going to check some mail. Now I'm going to go to webpage and fine out if we did turn off our WiFi devices." | 21:10 |
| frals | o - m - g | 21:10 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, how long until we see desktop products with this "ios"? | 21:10 |
| konfoo | but hold on a second - is that music from an app, or itunes | 21:10 |
| RST38h | He is gonna go to a webpage!!! | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: sounds exciting :) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Desktop is yesterday | 21:11 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: maybe so, but the ipad still have a keyboard dock | 21:11 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Multitasking on your iPhone is the future | 21:11 |
| konfoo | eating apple's dogfood is your future | 21:11 |
| konfoo | you dont have to choose, we choose for you | 21:11 |
| wazd | nowai | 21:11 |
| wazd | multitasking on a phone?! | 21:11 |
| xDaReaperx | yes | 21:12 |
| wazd | How's that? Unicorn dust?! | 21:12 |
| zvirub | have a problem - installed the new maemo 5 on my N900. have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it?? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | zvirub: Locales failed to install | 21:12 |
| wazd | multitasking and folders - 21st century! | 21:12 |
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| RST38h | zvirub: I would start by rebooting | 21:13 |
| RST38h | zvirub: And selection your locale via settings | 21:13 |
| frals | lol they made folders one of the big things to highlight | 21:13 |
| * frals dies a little | 21:13 | |
| wazd | but | 21:14 |
| wazd | whole iPhone is as thick as n900's screen :) | 21:14 |
| xDaReaperx | we cant create folders on the n900 isnt it ? | 21:14 |
| zvirub | will try. thanks. did try to restart. what do you mean in rebooting? different than re-powering?? | 21:14 |
| xDaReaperx | oh wait we can | 21:14 |
| t_s_o | apparently, nokia did multitasking right on symbian... | 21:14 |
| frals | wait wat | 21:14 |
| frals | "Microsoft has done a great job on this. Check it out, it's kinda cool." | 21:14 |
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| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:16 |
| xDaReaperx | iOS device will be solt this month | 21:16 |
| xDaReaperx | sold * | 21:16 |
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| Surfa | wazd, where's the qwerty keyboard? | 21:16 |
| wazd | Surfa: aw cmon :) | 21:16 |
| wazd | Surfa: qwerty keyboard is 2cm thick? :) | 21:17 |
| Surfa | but where is it? | 21:17 |
| Surfa | where can I find in iphone | 21:17 |
| zvirub | rst38h - thanks a lot. could you please instruct me how to restart, if beyond re-booting? | 21:17 |
| wazd | never mind | 21:17 |
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| Surfa | too bad if it's ain't there | 21:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | I dare not say it, but my N900 is probably going up onto ebay pronto | 21:19 |
| wazd | qwerty keyboard is a poor excuse for n900's thickness :) | 21:19 |
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| frals | fwiw the new iphone does look pretty | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | gyro and threaded mails! | 21:19 |
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| wazd | yeah, design is great | 21:20 |
| frals | but im not sure how id like a device without the hw qwerty, ive grown quite fond of it! | 21:20 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | I love the N900 from a geek perspective, but still miss my iPhone | 21:20 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | frals: yeah, me too | 21:20 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm guessing with the iPhone 4 out , the N900 will be lashed | 21:20 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I still can't type on the iPhones screen, my fingers just have a fit | 21:20 |
| zvirub_ | have a problem - installed the new maemo 5 on my N900. have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it?? | 21:20 |
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| slonopotamus | Gadgetoid_iMac: you have gcc on it? | 21:20 |
| b-man|laptop | it looks solid too, admittedly | 21:20 |
| b-man|laptop | too bad both sides of it may shader if dropped | 21:20 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | slonopotamus: On whatnow? | 21:20 |
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| slonopotamus | Gadgetoid_iMac: on N900 | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Negatory | 21:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: do you by any chance know where menu borders are in the template? | 21:21 |
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| xDaReaperx | iAd hmm | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Apple definitely like to make their names as confusing as possible | 21:24 |
| xDaReaperx | wut names ? | 21:24 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | iPod iPad iAd iOS4 | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Give more letters plz! | 21:24 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:25 |
| RST38h | bPod bPad bAd bOS4? | 21:25 |
| b-man|laptop | bAd lol | 21:25 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Hahaha | 21:25 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:25 |
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| t_s_o | ah, now i understand the gyro. gaming! | 21:27 |
| t_s_o | nintendo did something similar with their wiimote+ | 21:27 |
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| xDaReaperx | yeah gyro's for gaming | 21:28 |
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| tuliobaars | Hey, someone wanna talk about OS2008 Development? or Alternatives for N8x0? | 21:33 |
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| * noobmonk3y watches the tumbleweed flow through | 21:35 | |
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| RST38h | Ok, there is one good thing about this announcement. | 21:37 |
| RST38h | The screen resolutions will be going up. | 21:37 |
| sECuRE | facetime (video calls) also sounds interesting | 21:37 |
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| b-man|laptop | "300dpi is the limit for what your eyes can see" | 21:38 |
| b-man|laptop | pfft.. i bet you $10 i can still see pixels | 21:38 |
| * b-man|laptop has very good closeup vision | 21:39 | |
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| konfoo | the human eye is @ 17000ppi. that's about even for dpi | 21:41 |
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| konfoo | so the real question is, what is the focal length that the phone needs to be held at for their claims to be valid | 21:42 |
| konfoo | arm's length? | 21:42 |
| b-man|laptop | perhaps | 21:42 |
| konfoo | we get this same kind of bs in the hdtv industry | 21:43 |
| b-man|laptop | indeed | 21:43 |
| konfoo | the old 'here's a 42" set with 1080p! see the difference from 720p!' well, not if youre sitting 15ft from it... | 21:43 |
| konfoo | god and the 3d tv industry is even worse. lets not even go there | 21:44 |
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| GAN900 | konfoo, you can tell. | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | And 3D is amazing. | 21:46 |
| konfoo | haha surely you jest | 21:46 |
| konfoo | its a novelty | 21:47 |
| GAN900 | konfoo, how old are you? | 21:47 |
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| konfoo | of what relevance is my age? | 21:48 |
| GAN900 | konfoo, because whether you want to admit it or not, 3D is the future. | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: silvermountain has started a crusade against me. | 21:49 |
| konfoo | 3d in its current form is not | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, been there, had him holywaring on my ass before. | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, so don't complain to me. :D | 21:49 |
| b-man|laptop | can't wait for those sci-fi holographic TVs and computer monitors to come out xD | 21:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | i wish i got a iPhone | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: not complaining, just making you aware of it, just as you kept me aware when it was your turn | 21:50 |
| konfoo | and as an artform 2d film will not die out | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | /part #maemo I wish i got an iPhone | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | solves your and our problem :) | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | I wish I *had* | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: be nice, dear. | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: I'll show you the correct way to handle this. | 21:51 |
| GAN900 | konfoo, didn't say that. | 21:51 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, lol. | 21:51 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn | 21:51 | |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: you own an N900, yes? | 21:51 |
| * b-man|laptop grabs a handful of MohammadAG51's popcorn | 21:51 | |
| xDaReaperx | yes | 21:51 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:51 |
| E0x | iphone is crap ( a ex iphone owner ) | 21:51 |
| xDaReaperx | oh | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: you know of websites such as ebay, or craigslist? | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | yes? | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | yes | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | ebay yes | 21:52 |
| * MohammadAG51 can see where this is going | 21:52 | |
| b-man|laptop | hehe | 21:52 |
| E0x | lo | 21:52 |
| E0x | l | 21:52 |
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| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: then feel free to set up an ad for your N900. I'm pretty sure you'll get enough money to buy an unlocked iPhone | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | ur telling me to sell the n900 ? | 21:52 |
| konfoo | gan900: once again, how is age relevant to this discussion | 21:52 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | and but the i phone? | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | =/ | 21:52 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | konfoo: off-topic then, how old are you? | 21:53 |
| E0x | xDaReaperx: how old is you n900 ? | 21:53 |
| konfoo | 38. relevance? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | 0 | 21:53 |
| xDaReaperx | bought it on may 27th | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | konfoo: no relevance, it's off-topic | 21:53 |
| xDaReaperx | few weeks | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: then it'll definitely fetch a good price. | 21:53 |
| E0x | how much cost you ? | 21:53 |
| GAN900 | konfoo, because I find older folks are generally more resistant to new trends. | 21:54 |
| konfoo | its not a new trend | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, I expected a different way to handle it | 21:54 |
| xDaReaperx | 510 $ | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | one that involved /cs op :P | 21:54 |
| konfoo | we already had a flash in the pan for 3d in the early 80s | 21:54 |
| b-man|laptop | my grandparents think computers are an essence of evil LOL | 21:54 |
| konfoo | and another flash in the pan for 3d in the early 90s | 21:54 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: nha, he still has an n900 and isn't obviously trolling | 21:54 |
| konfoo | and problems like axis, intra-ocular distance, viewing angle - these are still unsolved | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, oh, I didn't say kick him | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | I was hinting at kicking yourself | 21:55 |
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| crashanddie | oh | 21:55 |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: stop trolling, or this will happen to you | 21:55 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie | 21:55 | |
| konfoo | the CE industry is clearly selling 3d tvs for the estinated additional $6Bn in profit since they have tapped out resolutions at 1080p | 21:55 |
| *** crashanddie was kicked by crashanddie (crashanddie) | 21:55 | |
| konfoo | its that simple | 21:55 |
| b-man|laptop | LOL | 21:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | /ban crashanddie | 21:55 |
| b-man|laptop | crashanddie, +1 | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn, too slow | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it lives! | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, trolls deserve a permban | 21:56 |
| xDaReaperx | oh i wan't trolling | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | please demo that on yourself | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | if a guy stealing your browser history doesn't deserve a permban | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | I don't see how this would | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways, demo it on yourself | 21:57 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | permban? | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | Or bankick? | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | akick | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | akick? | 21:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | n00b! | 21:57 |
| b-man|laptop | /kickban | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | /cs akick #maemo add crashanddie | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, the history scriptkiddie wasn't banned? | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: I know that | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | see what it does | 21:57 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: he was for a couple of days | 21:58 |
| frals | soo hmm | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, then demo it | 21:58 |
| zvirub | REQUEST FOR HELP - i have a strange behavior of my N900 after firmware upgrade (5'10.2010.19.1). have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it?? | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | (again on yourself) | 21:58 |
| crashanddie | -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation. | 21:58 |
| b-man|laptop | heh | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | zvirub, lucky, I had no icons :) | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | tsk tsk tsk, then just ban yourself, give me +o before doing that and I'll do the a part | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | zvirub, and also had no fonts :) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: why the ban expired?? | 21:59 |
| frals | MohammadAG51; fmms needs YOU to test! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.1.8/ | 21:59 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, I removed it | 21:59 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: actually, I removed all the bans from the channel | 21:59 |
| b-man|laptop | bans don't expire | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | they do | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you're insane | 21:59 |
| crashanddie | why? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man|laptop, join #freenode and ask for a kline | 21:59 |
| b-man|laptop | MohammadAG51: ah - i see | 21:59 |
| b-man|laptop | forgot about kline | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | or join our server | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | gzline ftw | 22:00 |
| b-man|laptop | gzline? lol | 22:00 |
| crashanddie | compressed line | 22:00 |
| b-man|laptop | ah | 22:01 |
| zvirub | thanks for answering. what is your proposal to address it? | 22:01 |
| b-man|laptop | <bad joke>what about bz2line - has better compression :D</bad joke> | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: because some of them bans probably were there for a good reason | 22:01 |
| ShadowJK | gzline = global zline. z line = server ban by IP alone. (kline would check ident before banning, I believe..) | 22:01 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: most of them were lazy bans easily circumvented | 22:02 |
| frals | haha, swedish newspaper fronting iphone 4 announcement, getting flamed like hell in comments | 22:02 |
| frals | <3 the internet | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: uhuh | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that reasoning is above me | 22:02 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: hey, we need to keep the ops in business | 22:03 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: go troll silvermountain on tmo | 22:03 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: you too | 22:03 |
| ShadowJK | ~flashing | 22:03 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets out his tools | 22:03 | |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | zvirub: check out infobot's link | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, would you consider remoderating tmo? | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | maybe | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'd consider it | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | so, you regret leaving? | 22:05 |
| b-man|laptop | tmo has become such a mess :( | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | no, I regret that the admin has no balls to enforce simple rules | 22:05 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 22:06 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer was kicked by DocScrutinizer (User terminated!) | 22:06 | |
| crashanddie | No offence to Reggie, I know he must be pretty busy and shit, but there's no rules except for "live and let live", and quite frankly that time has passed | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | kill or be killed is more like it | 22:06 |
| * Stskeeps is thinking talk.maemo.org is a negativity spiral atm | 22:07 | |
| xDaReaperx | Anyways guys , can someone instruct me on how to configure proxy on the browser | 22:07 |
| b-man|laptop | it's sad that when ever a productive thread gets started, 75% of the time it ends up getting hijacked :( | 22:07 |
| crashanddie | It worked when the main public were nerds and people with low social skills, low aggro mainly. Now there's a bunch of hyped up, med'd up, cranked up bastards and nobody to shut them up | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, mind explaining? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: ie, most trails get derailed and then things end up with personal attacks, even though the original intention was good | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | most threads, i mean | 22:08 |
| b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: i can't even bare to browse that place anymore | 22:08 |
| b-man|laptop | let alone post | 22:08 |
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| crashanddie | half of the posters feel the need to justify their 500 quid money dump, so they insult everything that is microsoft or apple | 22:10 |
| derf | I'm proud to say that in the three-and-a-half years or whatever I've been part of this community, I've _never_ posted there. | 22:10 |
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| derf | Or even registered an account. | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | I feel like I'm browsing the mandriva forums 10 years ago and the threads were anti windows | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | or 4chan.org | 22:10 |
| b-man|laptop | yes | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | but on steriods | 22:10 |
| xDaReaperx | any ideas on how to set up proxy on the browser ? i tried to check about:config | 22:10 |
| b-man|laptop | that PR2.1 thread was like browsing /b/ | 22:10 |
| xDaReaperx | on the N900 | 22:11 |
| b-man|laptop | *RP | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | although Texrat tries to twist flames into fun | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | which is a good way to moderate | 22:11 |
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| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: how about googling for fuck's sake? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | some thread just have to be shut down | 22:11 |
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| konfoo | so whats the alternative to tmo then? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | none | 22:11 |
| xDaReaperx | wow how rude | 22:11 |
| b-man|laptop | unfortunately :( | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm looking forward to meego | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | should unload a lot of trolls | 22:12 |
| konfoo | i was gonna say - even the nokia/qt dev forums are weak | 22:12 |
| nocturnal | the diablo/fremantle vmware image for the SDK is corrupt. | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx: Main Menu -> Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections -> select your network, click Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next then click Advanced -> go to proxies tab. Configure. Win. | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | (from memory, might be wrong in some step, but you get the idea) | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, there's no such thing as a main menu | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's called hd-laucnher | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: stfu: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/06/bp2-600x376_61444.jpg | 22:13 |
| xDaReaperx | ok ty | 22:13 |
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| konfoo | any fluendo people here? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | NOOOOOOOOOOOO | 22:14 |
| b-man|laptop | crashanddie, lol | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | nope | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | mermaids became extinct? | 22:14 |
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| crashanddie | konfoo: nope | 22:14 |
| b-man|laptop | MohammadAG51: yes, mwahahahaah!! | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~fsck crashanddie | 22:15 |
| infobot | e2fsck /dev/crashanddie : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw she said that, not me | 22:15 |
| * MohammadAG51 runs | 22:15 | |
| crashanddie | ~rape MohammadAG51 | 22:16 |
| * infobot takes MohammadAG51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 22:16 | |
| MohammadAG51 | pedo! | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | ~hrsmngsk | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | ~hrsmngsk MohammadAG51 | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | being raped by a female, not sure if that's wrong | 22:16 |
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| crashanddie | damn | 22:16 |
| b-man|laptop | MohammadAG51: enjoyed it? xDD | 22:17 |
| b-man|laptop | ~burn himself | 22:18 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 22:18 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lol b-man|laptop | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: then again, would you like to lose your virginity during a rape? | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | I've never heard of females raping males | 22:18 |
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| * Stskeeps curses | 22:19 | |
| frals | i heard it happens in africa, something with spreading hiv | 22:19 |
| frals | surely in the rest of the world as well | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | but... how | 22:20 |
| konfoo | africa has some royally fucked up customs | 22:20 |
| b-man|laptop | anything can happen in africa lol | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | Flandry: am I in trouble about my behaviour in off-topic? | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man|laptop, wasn't that russia? | 22:20 |
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| b-man|laptop | MohammadAG51: true xD | 22:21 |
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| b-man|laptop | "in russia, you don't control your computer, the computer controls you!" lol | 22:22 |
| b-man|laptop | g2g - i'll be back | 22:22 |
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| * RST38h moos moodily | 22:28 | |
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| lardman | evening all | 22:28 |
| Appiah | I've started the Xephyr desktop and did /scratchbox/login in terminal , when i use run-standalone.sh to start a application nothing happens? | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 22:29 |
| Appiah | Am I doing it wrong? | 22:29 |
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| lardman | hey Stskeeps, how's things? | 22:29 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 22:29 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 22:29 |
| * lardman curses his nVidia 7300gs | 22:31 | |
| Stskeeps | lardman: starting to ponder to quit tmo :P | 22:32 |
| * luke-jr curses lardman's nVidia 7300gs as well | 22:32 | |
| lardman | shame, there are some interesting threads, but needs so much time to sift through | 22:32 |
| lardman | thanks luke-jr ;) | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: can you do that? | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i don't have 'reading tmo' on my contract ;p | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | haha | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: After a while, you will come crawling back, and that would be a minor face-loss | 22:33 |
| lardman | :) | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, no, not a good solution | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: But restricting your comments to a few subforums (like Development or Themes) and threads is a wise choice, I think | 22:34 |
| xim_ | has anyone gotten evopedia working? | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm thinking Alternatives and MeeGo / Harmattan. | 22:35 |
| lardman | ot, how do I work out which version of Ubuntu I have installed? | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: The rest of tmo can be used for hunting. It is epecially effective to ask whining newbies whether they have got their next perfect Android phone or offer them to work on the freely available source code by themselves, given how well the know what HAS TO BE DONE | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: is it possible BME thinks Gentoo is the "battery charging" screen, and that is why it triggers a shutdown when I pull the power? | 22:35 |
| lbt | X-Fade, sivang... just thinking... when an app is installed/updated from -testing can we somehow add a nag-screen (or a nag-app) to help get the test feedback? | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Alternatives is full of whining pricks | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Harmattan forum looks sane, for now | 22:36 |
| lcuk | lbt requested this sort of process already | 22:36 |
| lcuk | well discussed it | 22:36 |
| * lbt is slow lcuk | 22:36 | |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, you don't have to announce leaving tmo | 22:37 |
| ShadowJK | you can just do it | 22:37 |
| lbt | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=703983#post703983 :D | 22:37 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: So I did, mostly | 22:37 |
| lcuk | hi lbt Stskeeps RST38h lardman btw | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | Appiah: X is broken i armel target in scratchbox | 22:37 |
| * frals spots a lcuk | 22:37 | |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: There is still interesting stuff going on here and there | 22:37 |
| lcuk | \o frals | 22:37 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 22:37 |
| frals | o/ | 22:37 |
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| Appiah | jacekowski: umm how am I supposed to test my GUI written apps in SDK then? | 22:38 |
| lbt | hi lardman RST38h Stskeeps lcuk frals ShadowJK .... o/ | 22:38 |
| lcuk | hi #maemo \o | 22:38 |
| frals | hi everyone o/ | 22:38 |
| * lbt has more mates than lcuk !!! | 22:38 | |
| frals | :D | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | Appiah: x86 target | 22:38 |
| lardman | hi all! | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | Appiah: or on real device | 22:38 |
| * lardman settles for less typing | 22:38 | |
| lcuk | afaik #maemo highlights all | 22:38 |
| lbt | not me :( | 22:38 |
| lcuk | it might not lol | 22:38 |
| Appiah | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86 , sounds like it is x86? | 22:38 |
| * lbt completely failed at Qt animation this weekend | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | hi * | 22:39 |
| benno2 | question: are there packages for Qt 4.6.2 on Maemo 4 (N800/N810) ? | 22:39 |
| RST38h | heya lcuk | 22:39 |
| lbt | although I read enough to imagine how cool it looks :) | 22:39 |
| * lardman curses bloody Ubunto for crashing when his mouse moves onto one of his monitors. Damn them for making me want to upgrade | 22:39 | |
| lardman | s/Ubunto/Ubuntu | 22:39 |
| lbt | lardman.... don't do it! | 22:39 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:39 |
| lcuk | too late | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | ROLLBACK | 22:40 |
| lardman | I know, whatamistakatomaka | 22:40 |
| lbt | Ubuntu? | 22:40 |
| * lbt ducks | 22:40 | |
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| lardman | yeah, well | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Ubuntu is a lesser evil | 22:40 |
| lcuk | im not doing anything harsh to my ubuntu until i have a nicer way to reinstall scratchbox | 22:40 |
| RST38h | lardman: You can always go FreeBSD. FreeBSD never crashes =) | 22:40 |
| lbt | ewww | 22:40 |
| lardman | is driving me mad though, I daren't do any work, one accidental swipe too far left and I will loose the lot | 22:40 |
| lardman | bsd! pah! | 22:41 |
| lcuk | dare i say: thats because its not got any apps :P | 22:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I upgraded to 10.4LTS and SB2 still works. | 22:41 |
| * lcuk knows otherwise | 22:41 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Had to kick it in the balls with the secret ninja kick provided by hrw though | 22:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: same apps as linu xmostly | 22:41 |
| lcuk | yeah i kno | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | lardman, thats not good | 22:41 |
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| lardman | yeah, not much coding going on | 22:42 |
| * lcuk did some playing during holiday | 22:42 | |
| lardman | and running KDE, which imo is craptastic compared to Gnome, I can't even work out how to disable a monitor | 22:42 |
| lardman | so all is well in the world of lard ;) | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | 960 x 640 with a Cortex A9 | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | dont you have to instantiate a Kkillmydesktopmonitoroneatatime class? | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | Apple just blew Nokia out of the water. | 22:43 |
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| lardman | lcuk: probably, nasty C++ code | 22:43 |
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| lardman | GAN900: ipad-thingie? | 22:44 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, nope, iPhone 4G | 22:44 |
| lardman | oh right, specs released now? Been busy all day so not looked | 22:44 |
| lcuk | is it using full resolution screen or similar to the android? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | (shared voxels) | 22:45 |
| GAN900 | IPS | 22:45 |
| * Stskeeps is pondering if he's an enabler for evil ways. | 22:45 | |
| * GAN900 is half tempted just to buy it. | 22:45 | |
| lbt | what evil are you facilitating now Stskeeps? | 22:46 |
| Noma | i'm just waiting for the apple fanboys to cheer up for the new resolution... when n900 came out with 800x480, they said that it doesn't matter because 640x360 is just enough... :D | 22:46 |
| lardman | random aside, anyone know if nvidia-glx supports the gtx 470 card yet? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | well, arent most of the iphone apps still at the original resolution and this is just preparing for the ipad specific apps to be backward ported | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ie they use pixel doubling | 22:47 |
| lardman | hmm, sounds like the Psion days | 22:47 |
| vinipsmaker | where can i find gdigicam doc? | 22:47 |
| puphome | stop being such a prancer and share a link GAN900 | 22:47 |
| lardman | vinipsmaker: wiki + source code | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: seemingily that licensing change requests queue is a /dev/null, or something | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | puphome, frontpage of http://engadget.com | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
| * Stskeeps is honestly looking forward to a week of binge drinking in a couple of weeks. | 22:49 | |
| * GAN900 is bored with being abused as a customer by Nokia | 22:49 | |
| vinipsmaker | lardman: i will take a look in source code, thnx | 22:49 |
| lbt | you are cc'ing meego-dev and maemo-dev and pmo and the council and Quim and Dawn and Arjan and Mike aren't you? and with the followups saying "it's been <N> weeks" | 22:49 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: Cider on sunday night? | 22:50 |
| lbt | But not Amsterdam! | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, that's the warmup | 22:50 |
| * Stskeeps is going to a music festival in approx 20 days | 22:50 | |
| * lbt considers duty free | 22:50 | |
| lbt | if I bring a bottle what should I bring? | 22:50 |
| lardman | vinipsmaker: might be some docs in with the source on git iirc | 22:50 |
| * lcuk could do with some r&r that doesnt involve playparks or noisey kids | 22:51 | |
| vinipsmaker | is possible use dbus to control camera-ui application? | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: Has Steve Jobs been tempting you tonight? | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: With His huge megapixel count? With His miracle of multitasking? With his mighty folders? | 22:52 |
| * RST38h uploading HydroCarbon theme to Extras-Devel. Please, give it a try. | 22:53 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hmm, i'm usually good with wine or cider in general | 22:53 |
| lbt | duty free - thing stronger | 22:54 |
| lardman | lbt: spirits it is then | 22:54 |
| lbt | k | 22:54 |
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| lbt | Pear brandy... | 22:54 |
| lardman | peach schnapps | 22:54 |
| lbt | anyone in Helsinki on Sunday is welcome to join us... | 22:54 |
| Surfa | sunday.. hmm | 22:55 |
| lbt | (seriously) | 22:55 |
| lardman | fernet - is X-Fade around, some random brown dutch spirit that tastes awful | 22:55 |
| Surfa | what people are joining? :) | 22:55 |
| lbt | a drunk brit and dane | 22:55 |
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| Surfa | perhaps, if someone reminds me | 22:55 |
| lardman | would love to but have work to do | 22:55 |
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| lbt | crying into their drinks over non-free licensing ;) | 22:55 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, Nokia clearly isn't interested in my business. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | which components lbt | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, at least I know exactly where I stand with Apple. | 22:56 |
| lbt | lcuk: we won't catr | 22:56 |
| lbt | care | 22:57 |
| lcuk | lbt, but which are you raising glasses too | 22:57 |
| lcuk | to | 22:57 |
| frals | helsinki sunday? | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | Sadly the whole mobile industry has peaked with the N900 for me | 22:57 |
| lbt | lcuk: hmmm | 22:58 |
| GAN900 | and now seems to be declining back into useless crap for 2010/2011 | 22:58 |
| * lardman tries to restart Xord using Gnome rather than the accursed KDE | 22:58 | |
| lardman | bbiam | 22:58 |
| lbt | lcuk: Qt | 22:58 |
| lardman | Xorg | 22:58 |
| lardman | hmm, less vino | 22:58 |
| lbt | it always cheers me up | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | lbt ? qt is lgpl? | 22:58 |
| lbt | frals: you about? | 22:58 |
| frals | probably | 22:58 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes | 22:58 |
| frals | i should be anyway, unless something major happens, like someone failing to book my flight or whatnot :D | 22:59 |
| lcuk | frals, and you should also be sober the next week :P | 23:00 |
| frals | :D | 23:00 |
| frals | whats on sunday anyway? | 23:00 |
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| lbt | frals: nothing | 23:01 |
| lbt | move along | 23:01 |
| lbt | oh wait, no | 23:01 |
| * frals is confused | 23:01 | |
| * frals goes back to making sure all cables are packed | 23:01 | |
| lbt | heh Stskeeps and I happen to be in Helsinki at the same time | 23:01 |
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| ShadowJK | GAN900, as a bonus, useless crap for 2011/2012 means I don't have to buy a new one that soon ;) | 23:01 |
| lbt | we're just going to meet up for a drink | 23:01 |
| frals | cool | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | frals: when are you hel-side? | 23:02 |
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| lbt | just randomly wondered if anyone else fancied joining? | 23:02 |
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| frals | i should be there by thursday... wont be leaving anytime soon i recon | 23:02 |
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| frals | so id be up for going out for a bit :) | 23:02 |
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| lardman | urgh, didn't do anything | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | you're relocating? :P | 23:03 |
| frals | mhm | 23:03 |
| * lardman considers the 5 or so hours he's wasted on this and decides to go watch tv | 23:03 | |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, mmm | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, hows your android doin? | 23:03 |
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| lardman|tv | GAN900: you've got an android? | 23:04 |
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| GAN900 | ShadowJK, I just Nokia has an anwer for the iPhone 4G that doesn't make their first MeeGo phone look like the goddamn N97 technology-wise. | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | lardman|tv, the one Google gave away at the LFCS | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, sitting in a drawer. | 23:04 |
| lardman|tv | ah ok | 23:04 |
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| ShadowJK | GAN900, hahaha :) | 23:04 |
| GAN900 | I should just eBay it | 23:04 |
| * lardman|tv had a look at the Dell Streak at the weekend, is a big bugger | 23:05 | |
| GAN900 | Damn N900 keyboard | 23:05 |
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| GAN900 | lardman|tv, 800x480 and android | 23:05 |
| lardman|tv | it has a kb, let us be thankful | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | A resounding meh | 23:05 |
| GAN900 | lardman|tv, I was faster and more accurate on the N800 | 23:05 |
| lardman|tv | GAN900: I know, was just passing the shop - I still want a Psion 5 replacement really | 23:05 |
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| GAN900 | Unfortunately Nokia really hates virtual input | 23:06 |
| lardman|tv | fine by me, I do too! ;) | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | So they find ways to make it less usuable with every release. | 23:06 |
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| GAN900 | PR1.2 was a particularly impressive performance there. | 23:06 |
| sx0n|home | :) | 23:06 |
| frals | for someone who never used the vkb, what happend with it in 1.2? | 23:06 |
| lardman|tv | before I throw my monitor through the window, for not crashing the rest of the PC, I'm adjourning to a glass of wine and the tv - I need a new PC to work with new Ubuntu I fear | 23:07 |
| lardman|tv | s/not/ | 23:07 |
| sx0n|home | i have not find it yet | 23:07 |
| lcuk | cya lardman|tv | 23:07 |
| frals | have a nice evening lardman|tv o/ | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | frals, Nokia used their secret project, their timemachine, went back in time to the stoneage, stole a couple of stoneage people, and had them design a new vkb from scratch | 23:07 |
| lcuk | they also returned with a new manufactoring technique for slate devices | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | crap, shop shut in -3 minutes | 23:09 |
| frals | alright ShadowJK ;P | 23:09 |
| frals | btw, fMMS need testers! http://bit.ly/9T87CH | 23:10 |
| frals | uh, maemo.org is taking too long to respond o_O | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | frals, they broke itl | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | Terrible screen space usage | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | Terrible key behaviors | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | Basically, it peaked with Diablo. | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | Been downhill ever since | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | and for some reason they think they're making it better. | 23:11 |
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| lbt | GAN900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/shopper/0.5.9-1/ | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | hip hip hurray, the super readers saved the day | 23:14 |
| lbt | ? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | sorry, its been stuck in my head half the afternoon since jake had it on before | 23:15 |
| * mhmh cries.. broke the usb connector at work a couple hours ago | 23:15 | |
| lcuk | so i tohught i would infect maemo with it | 23:15 |
| Duckboot | Virtual KB is a nogo for me - That's why I bought a device with real HW-KB. | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | timeless, timeless_mbp ping | 23:18 |
| alterego | Are there many alternative RSS readers for the N900? | 23:18 |
| alterego | Any that are particularly good anyhow? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | built in one XP | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | i was pulled into the 810 by the real keyboard, but at the same time i also see how a VKB can be used - especially a portrait one | 23:19 |
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| * lardman|tv tries changes to xorg.conf to disable crashy screen, bbiab hopefully | 23:20 | |
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| BCMM | frals: what tends to happen if one sends an MMS to a phone that doesn't do MMS? | 23:21 |
| frals | it disappears in cyberspace | 23:22 |
| frals | or something along those lines | 23:22 |
| lcuk | BCMM, depending on your mobile phone contract, a real paper telegram will be hand delivered | 23:22 |
| lcuk | tho thats rare nowadays | 23:22 |
| BCMM | ah, no incomprehensible SMS or anything? | 23:22 |
| alterego | BCMM: depends on the receiving phones operator, on phones I've had, they get sent via email to me if you set it up. | 23:22 |
| frals | depending on the other persons carrier, they might get an sms link, or what lcuk said | 23:22 |
| BCMM | lcuk: heh | 23:22 |
| alterego | Or you got a text message with an embedded link that allowed you to view the MMS through a web browser. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | really expensive contracts hire dedicated painters who turn up at house with a full set of oil paints and a canvas | 23:23 |
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| frals | the good ones sends you a colorfax instead | 23:23 |
| BCMM | frals: well, i don't know if fmms works for me or not - depends on whether my girlfriend's phone supports MMS | 23:23 |
| alterego | lcuk: Yeah, I hear that's free with the platinum Nokia contracts. | 23:23 |
| BCMM | cause i sent one, and nothing happened | 23:23 |
| frals | BCMM: if you check /tmp/fmms.log you can see the MMSC Response code printed | 23:23 |
| frals | if the sender closed after a while it sent it successfully from the apps point of view | 23:23 |
| lcuk | alterego, platinum is a bit iffy | 23:24 |
| lcuk | they usually send round some school kid on minimum wage with felt tips | 23:24 |
| alterego | I would have prefered it if they called them the "Footballers wives collection" :D | 23:24 |
| Duckboot | frals: I want to test fMMS, but maemo.org don't let me... | 23:25 |
| frals | :[ | 23:25 |
| GAN900 | lbt, gave up on Ovi? | 23:25 |
| Duckboot | Weee - there I got in | 23:25 |
| frals | Ovi aka "Python apps? no thanks!" :[ | 23:26 |
| lbt | GAN900: not really... just wanted to get it to work first :) | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals don't tell me they don't allow python apps | 23:26 |
| zash | APPS!!! | 23:26 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: they dont according to pymaemo list | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | wow, that's a big big fail | 23:27 |
| Duckboot | The new OS for iPhone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS - Sorry, but I had to. | 23:27 |
| * MohammadAG51 has a good mind to do an rm -rf app | 23:27 | |
| MohammadAG51 | to see if they'd find that | 23:27 |
| alterego | So, how about a community app store then? :P | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | sure | 23:27 |
| alterego | I'd be up for spear heading that project. | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | we can do it in a week | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, prettify your links. | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | even the current ovi store is useless | 23:28 |
| frals | MohammadAG51; its kinda funny since i think #1 and #3 in most downloads from extras are python apps | 23:28 |
| * lcuk ponders | 23:29 | |
| frals | funny in the sad kinda way | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals and python can be compiled | 23:29 |
| * lcuk ponders some more | 23:29 | |
| MohammadAG51 | k, so alterego you work on the downloader app, someone here hosts the app, I'll work on coffee management | 23:29 |
| frals | the reason was because the software cant depend on stuff from extras (or such, see pymaemo list for more details) | 23:29 |
| lcuk | if i come back, someone remind me about "time" | 23:30 |
| * frals ponders what lcuk ponders | 23:30 | |
| MohammadAG51 | shove all depedencies into one deb | 23:30 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: what about the actual online store :P | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, what store | 23:30 |
| * puphome ponders about lack of robotron | 23:30 | |
| alterego | What downloader app? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | well | 23:30 |
| lcuk | puphome, robotron? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | there is a maemo download app already | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | one that locks a directory it's downloading to | 23:30 |
| lcuk | danielwilms wrote it :) | 23:30 |
| puphome | also this morrowind engine depends on a lot of silly libraries | 23:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, sene it. | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, i was thinking of a paid store | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | paid community store | 23:31 |
| puphome | lcuk: the video game robotron 2084 needs remaking | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | although i'm against closed source | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | but right now, it's what maemo needs | 23:31 |
| lcuk | why not maemo.org with more emphasis on donations and sharing :) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | even mozilla addons have a suggested donation | 23:31 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I agree, so, you want a pay-for app, I'd be pretty happy to do that. | 23:32 |
| alterego | Pay-for download app .. | 23:32 |
| * lcuk spits on closed source | 23:32 | |
| lcuk | oh how far i have come | 23:32 |
| alterego | Doesn't have to be closed source. | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, basically, I was thinking of an app where you pay, it locks a directory (not the apt way of doing it), it encrypts the directory, downloads the deb to it, installs it clears the directory and clears the encryption | 23:33 |
| * lcuk strongly dislikes closedness | 23:33 | |
| MohammadAG51 | i typed that on the N900, pretty quick eh? | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 23:33 |
| alterego | Heh, yeah. | 23:33 |
| * lcuk gets out of the way of this discussion anyway - bbl | 23:34 | |
| lcuk | dont let me forget about "time" | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not very hard to extract an app from the fs | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | time lcuksbll | 23:34 |
| noctule | For some reason I feel cheeky charging someone for my code | 23:34 |
| noctule | Besides my employer, obviously | 23:34 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: pong | 23:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is another problem. | 23:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I write some middleware that's handy for all app-developers. | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Where is my donations? | 23:35 |
| alterego | It could do it in memory. | 23:35 |
| alterego | No reason to actually use the filesystem. | 23:35 |
| Duckboot | And the server which this would run on, wouldn't need to be a beast - Mich even run all fine on a Xen-node? | 23:35 |
| Duckboot | s/Mich/Might | 23:35 |
| renato | hi guys I got a error in maemo repository, I can not install libqt4-dev on armel. | 23:35 |
| renato | http://pastebin.com/7pZgSB5s | 23:35 |
| renato | Anybody has the same error? | 23:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/council/notice_to_developers-the_old_libqt4-maemo5-prefixed_packages_have_officially_been_deprecated/ ? | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - not yet | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | unless somethings screwed | 23:36 |
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| noctule | renato: have you got the nokia-binaries installed? | 23:38 |
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| alterego | Anyone else having issue with maemo.org? | 23:39 |
| noctule | http://bit.ly/duMIIT | 23:39 |
| renato | noctule, I trying this now | 23:39 |
| alterego | Can't seem to access any of it :/ | 23:39 |
| FauxFaux | talk. is fine. ¬_¬ | 23:39 |
| renato | noctule, yes to use Qt you need the nokia binaries :( | 23:40 |
| noctule | alterego: I'm on maemo.org now, no issues | 23:40 |
| alterego | It's being dog-slow for me :( | 23:40 |
| noctule | renato: I recognised the problem from a bad install here, I know the pain | 23:41 |
| noctule | alterego: speed is rubbish, but it is operating lol | 23:41 |
| noctule | It seems like the CSS messes up everytime I log in though | 23:41 |
| alterego | Well, it's still not finished loading the page .. | 23:42 |
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| alterego | Not showing any of it in fact. | 23:42 |
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| noctule | Okay, that's way slower than what I'm getting | 23:42 |
| alterego | Might restart my laptop .. | 23:42 |
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| renato | noctule, thanks its work now | 23:42 |
| alterego | Tried restarting firefox .. | 23:42 |
| noctule | renato: no worries mate | 23:42 |
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| Duckboot | frals: Tested fMMS 1.1.8, and it looks good - Just waiting for maemo.org to let me give the thumbs up. | 23:44 |
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| mhmh | I had forgotten how horible the n95 was to use.. had not started it since i got the 900 in January | 23:47 |
| kpel | hi guys. any idea why the latest official maemo 5 update demands a PC with nokia software update installed for some users and for some others it just happens over the air? | 23:47 |
| frals | not enough space/conflicting dependencies | 23:48 |
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| kpel | could be, i guess. it would be nice to have a more informative message though. | 23:49 |
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| kpel | thanks frals | 23:49 |
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| jacekowski | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 23:51 |
| Corsac | having to ask location on a gps-enabled device is lame | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | new iphone will have 960x640 | 23:51 |
| Corsac | (weatherbug) | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | why? | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | maybe you want weather for your holiday destination | 23:52 |
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| noctule | damn, was hoping to escape iphone frenzy lol | 23:52 |
| zash | what | 23:54 |
| summel | anybody has a link to that sexy open source hardware phone concept thingy? | 23:54 |
| zash | summel: what?! | 23:54 |
| summel | i cant remember it but i got the link from here or from #meego | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Open source hardware is very expensive. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | From the fundamental point that getting one PCB of 8 layers made is expensive | 23:55 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: the openmokos main flaw was that it was ugly | 23:55 |
| summel | :D | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | and then going from there. | 23:55 |
| kpel | summel: you mean openmoko? | 23:55 |
| summel | kpel: no | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I disagree - strongly. | 23:55 |
| kpel | summel: ofono.org ? | 23:55 |
| Corsac | except that, WB is quite nice, just too bad there's no widget | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmokos main flaw was that the people at the top of the project had too much vision. | 23:56 |
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| summel | and it was ugly :P | 23:56 |
| kpel | lol | 23:56 |
| summel | kpel: no ^^ | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | I thought it looked nice | 23:56 |
| summel | there were images/renders of that phone | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Every 6 months or so - just as the software stack was looking sort-of-stable - the CEO would pop up at a conference, and say 'Something really cool is around the corner!!!!!!' | 23:56 |
| kpel | there is no such as too much vision, only too few resources :) | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And then 2 months later, with no involvement from the community - the whole software stack got refactored. | 23:57 |
| xim_ | has anyone gotten evopedia working? | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Junking any chance of community involvement in stuff. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | That, and the fact is that they could have had a saleable phone + hw in xmas 2007. Ok - the sw would have been basic - little more than a dialer, and SMS. | 23:57 |
| frals | no MMS? Madness! | 23:58 |
| summel | it would be great if maemo5/meego would run on the new iphone... because the only thing it does good is looking great xD | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | But dialer + SMS and working kernel + gtk - in xmas 2007 would have sold - comparatively - bucketloads. | 23:58 |
| summel | ewww gtk | 23:58 |
| summel | :P | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: yes. And then they went from gtk->qt. Which never really worked. And took up months of everyones time. | 23:59 |
| summel | a really qt-phone would be sooo great :/ | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: sometimes getting the hardware actually shipping is more important than making it pretty. | 23:59 |
| summel | and no i didnt like the greenphone | 23:59 |
| summel | :P | 23:59 |
| summel | yeah... maemo5 looks kinda... old/ugly | 23:59 |
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