| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | may be of use | 00:00 |
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| satmd | interesting | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | much stuff won't be applicable, but itmay give you routes to check | 00:01 |
| satmd | one thing is only left now | 00:01 |
| satmd | where to access the nmea stream | 00:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | There isn't one. | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's none on N900 | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 00:04 |
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| satmd | makes it impossible without some coding | 00:05 |
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| satmd | would have it made useful to wardriving :p | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh? you can do wardriving with N900 and a fixed wifi driver (more than just chan 6 :-P), no other harware or GPS export needed - for mere wardriving even the normal iwlist <if> scan cmd should suffice, and no driver issues at all | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, cannot do packet injection tho can you? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | needs certain chipset | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least that's the street talk now | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you'd just need a certain firmware | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I dunno if we could change the FW for WiFi chip at all on N900 | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | never looked into it in detail | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cya, my beer is crying from loneliness | 00:24 |
| lcuk | well DocScrutinizer isnt it effectively ruled out from most desktop chipsets for similar reason | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | and theres been smart people trying to get it working for a long time | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and most have resorted to buying dongles who want it | 00:25 |
| satmd | DocScrutinizer: I have a t500 here, too | 00:27 |
| satmd | but gps reception of the included f3705g is poor | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | satmd: Take the log produced by gps-logger-widget (or one of the many others) | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | satmd: Correlate | 00:28 |
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| satmd | well, I found some snippet based on python-location | 00:28 |
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| satmd | it should be possible to make that loop and fake gps lines | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | or plug in a decent wifi-dongle :-P | 00:29 |
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| Arkenoi | btw what is current host mode status? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | wIP | 00:31 |
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| satmd | since 1.2 ssh seems so sluggish to me :( | 00:37 |
| lcuk | satmd, if you just installed it, give tracker time to update | 00:38 |
| lcuk | its quite a while, some people report a couple of hours | 00:38 |
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| satmd | tracker? | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | satmd, media meta data scanner | 00:42 |
| lcuk | and the thumbnailer process too afaik | 00:42 |
| Shapeshifter | btw, does anyone know what these whitespots on the screen are caused by? | 00:42 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, ? | 00:43 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm not really bothered (unlike avarage tmo people) but I wonder what this is about. | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | err, huh? | 00:43 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: I have 4 bright spots on my screen. | 00:43 |
| lcuk | where? | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | satmd: run top | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | satmd: also - powersave induces a ping time of up to 400ms | 00:43 |
| satmd | 5% in hildon-* | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | satmd: with the obvious effects on interactivity | 00:44 |
| satmd | well, lag about 30s+ | 00:44 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: there's not patterns, really. They're all in the right half of the screen, forming a trapezoid | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And with a rotuer that does not properly support powersave - enabling it can do that | 00:44 |
| satmd | mhm | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | satmd, that sounds odd | 00:46 |
| lcuk | 30s lag shouldnt occur with anything, does it persist beyond a reboot? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | and when did you update to 1.2 | 00:46 |
| lcuk | and wheres the lag experienced | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Turn off powersave totally | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | in wifi connections. | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Does this persist. | 00:46 |
| lcuk | dont change anytihng | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | until sure its net related? | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol | 00:47 |
| Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/DSC00035.JPG here's a picture. They're more obvious in real life than on this picture. Clearly noticable when the screen is white. But as I said, I'm not bothered, I just wonder why this has to be >.> | 00:47 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38815 people on tmo complaining about it | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | in the usual fashion. | 00:49 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, using it in hot conditions? | 00:51 |
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| lcuk_wchin_drwho | Shapeshifter, if i had to say i'd say it was pressure spots | 00:51 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | from a baching | 00:51 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | bashing | 00:51 |
| penguinbait | basher... | 00:51 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: no. cherrishing it. always by my side, almost never exposed to sunlight, in a pouch... | 00:51 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | hiya pb | 00:51 |
| Shapeshifter | I never bumped it against anything. but maybe... | 00:52 |
| Shapeshifter | who knows. | 00:52 |
| penguinbait | howdy lc | 00:52 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | syre Shapeshifter | 00:52 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, could be thermal | 00:52 |
| Arkenoi | why do minor max frequency changes (say, 950->1100) affect subjective performance so much? it is just 15% and i feels like the phone becomes faster at least a third | 00:52 |
| GAN900 | Combined with a manufacturing defect. | 00:52 |
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| GAN900 | Arkenoi, placebo? | 00:52 |
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| Arkenoi | maybe | 00:53 |
| Arkenoi | but i did not believe until i tried | 00:53 |
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| Robot101 | Arkenoi: because the device doesn't usually run at the max speed all the time | 00:54 |
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| Robot101 | only when it's busy | 00:54 |
| nidO | Shapeshifter - I have a single similar spot on my screen | 00:54 |
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| nidO | only noticeable atall when viewing a white screen though | 00:54 |
| Robot101 | so it's now twice as fast when busy, rather than 50% faster | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS? | 00:56 |
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| cehteh | how fast do this overclocked devices draw the battery? | 00:57 |
| Robot101 | about the same, because they spend more time at the lower clock speeds because they need to spend less at the higher... | 00:58 |
| svanheulen | My N900 keeps rebooting when I use it as a modem in Windows... is that normal? | 00:58 |
| cehteh | windows problem :P | 00:58 |
| Robot101 | it apparently lowers the cpu lifespan though | 00:58 |
| pupnik | svanheulen: sounds like a bug to me | 00:58 |
| pupnik | svanheulen: what firmware version | 00:59 |
| svanheulen | well yeah, it works fine in ubuntu, which is what i normally use | 00:59 |
| svanheulen | just flashed 1.2 | 00:59 |
| pupnik | ok then it isnt what i might have suggested | 00:59 |
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| svanheulen | I'm guessing it's a Nokia PC Suite issue | 01:00 |
| svanheulen | just wonding if anyone else has that problem | 01:00 |
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| cehteh | grr .. busybox swapon has no priority parameter, anyone knows if thats tweakable via /sys or /proc ? | 01:03 |
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| Macer | need to figure out where the place to use fn keys in term is | 01:06 |
| Macer | anybody know where? | 01:06 |
| pupnik | can not parse | 01:07 |
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| opdf2 | anyone here still OTA only from initial release? | 01:10 |
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| GAN900 | Robot101, "apparently". :P | 01:11 |
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| Macer | ugh | 01:12 |
| Macer | i cant find the info on how to add f1-f10 to xterm | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | find the keycodes first | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i.e | is bar, enter is kp_enter | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | | is bar | 01:13 |
| Macer | MohammadAG51: i am trying to find info | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | Macer, wikipedia ftw (not maemo specific) | 01:14 |
| Macer | it would be nice to add like... Fn to the bar | 01:14 |
| Macer | and be able to hit 1-10 | 01:14 |
| Macer | like how ctrl stays locked | 01:14 |
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| Macer | u wanf fn to be on my xterm key bar :) | 01:15 |
| Macer | i want | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can, just get the name of the key | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | then just use gconftool (or gconf-editor for a UI) | 01:15 |
| cehteh | Load average: 18.01 8.50 3.9 | 01:16 |
| cehteh | .. grr | 01:16 |
| Macer | hm | 01:16 |
| Macer | MohammadAG51: ok | 01:16 |
| * satmd is giving up | 01:16 | |
| satmd | not worth the struggle | 01:16 |
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| Macer | there is no gconf-editor | 01:17 |
| Macer | blah. i will work on this later | 01:17 |
| Macer | i just want to use mc | 01:17 |
| cehteh | *need-more-ram* | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: me too | 01:17 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: you played with custom kernels .. how about getting compcache in? | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | exists for n8x0 already | 01:19 |
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| cehteh | yeah | 01:19 |
| cehteh | would be awesome for the n900 | 01:20 |
| pupnik | lets use fm transmitter to synchronise audio playback btwn tablets lcuk_wchin_drwho | 01:20 |
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| lcuk_wchin_drwho | pupnik, o_O | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | pupnik_, the TX and RX can't operate at the same time | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik | 01:22 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | only one needs to tx | 01:22 |
| cehteh | actually they do .. the RX is used to tune the TX internally | 01:22 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | the conductor | 01:23 |
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| opdf2 | I don't wanna ssh as root, How do I create user? | 01:23 |
| lcuk_wchin_drwho | same way as normal linux afaik | 01:23 |
| opdf2 | useradd, okay | 01:24 |
| cehteh | opdf2: just login as 'user' | 01:24 |
| cehteh | thats the default user name | 01:24 |
| cehteh | you may add your key (or setup a password) | 01:24 |
| opdf2 | Do I need to establish pw? | 01:24 |
| opdf2 | okay | 01:24 |
| * cehteh prefers key only logins | 01:24 | |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: That is not a hardware limitation. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the rx of the FMTX | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | even better | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | To restate - if I've lost the thread - the rx of the fmtx requires the tx to be off - as I understand it. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | The fm reciever and the fm tx can work at the same time | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: Or ssh user@foo | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS?) you always ask questions that are like 'have you stopped beating your wife meanwhile?" | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: I never suggested anything like that and consequently won't be able to make any sense out of or answer you question | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | also, DocScrutinizer51 & luke-jr: wardriving doesn't involve GPS mapping. It's a subpart of wardriving, but really, wardriving is just the act of trying to find networks from your car | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: which is exactly what I was saying in that context an hour ago | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | good | 01:35 |
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| lcuk_drwho_wow | a great episode of the new series :) | 01:35 |
| lcuk_drwho_wow | heya seb \o hear you offered me a ciggie | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | can we get lcuk back now? | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | :) sure | 01:36 |
| * lcuk never microblogged in 15 characters before | 01:36 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yo, yeah, offered you a ciggie, then got scared 'cuz you weren't ehre | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I haven't watched any dr who's with the new doctor, is he any good? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | was having a nice break in south of england :) | 01:37 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i knew i was watching drwho tonight :) | 01:38 |
| * MohammadAG51 wonders what dr who is | 01:38 | |
| MohammadAG51 | seen on TV, never watched it | 01:38 |
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| lcuk | theres a bug with rotated xv | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | and it effects mplayer too | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, that killed the conversation :P | 01:50 |
| lcuk | sorry distracted by other screen :p | 01:50 |
| lcuk | its bugging me | 01:50 |
| * lcuk will close vnc and just hack, gnite \o | 01:51 | |
| * MohammadAG51 suggests the /part command | 01:51 | |
| MohammadAG51 | :( | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | gnite lcuk | 01:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | night | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: | 01:53 |
| Appiah | clean install of the SDK | 01:55 |
| Appiah | I open browser and select the textbox | 01:55 |
| Appiah | segfaults | 01:55 |
| Appiah | wtf | 01:55 |
| pupnik_ | sdk is accessed via browser? | 01:56 |
| Appiah | I opened the browser in maemo | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | installed the nokia-binaries and nokia-apps? | 01:57 |
| Appiah | Yes | 01:57 |
| Appiah | I shouldnt have? | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | did I say that? | 01:58 |
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| Appiah | Just askin | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | segfault not caused by nokia bins | 02:16 |
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| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 02:18 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Couldn't download Fennec. | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Package not found. | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | [ Yes ] [ No ] | 02:19 |
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| * timeless_mbp thanks HAM for the dialog | 02:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's a truly Nokia dialog! | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100606-021941.png | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: for 100 ham credits, would you like to guess what happens when i click "yes"? | 02:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Your n900 catches fire. | 02:23 |
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| jacekowski | i fucked up my bme | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | i've disconnected cable and it's still charging | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | stop bme | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | start bme | 02:24 |
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| jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=158 | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | n900 failed | 02:27 |
| doc|home | the n900 has an f/2.8 lens? | 02:28 |
| doc|home | jacekowski: also, it's a night shot, even low end slrs will have trouble with that | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you did select 'night' mode? | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: is this 1.2 w/ night mode? | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | because before then.... | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: yipeee | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | night mode is better than nothing - but it's really a very basic mod | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | i think it focused onto window | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: lfocus | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/ | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a nokia development app to try to help w/ focus | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | manual focus would be nice | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: ^ | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | it is manual focus app isn't it? | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ye | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | s | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: search in ham for 'focus' | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it inda works | 02:32 |
| jacekowski | ham? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it'sapita to enable | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but works when it finally does | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quite nicely | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ham | 02:34 |
| infobot | well, ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ham is also Hildon application Manager | 02:35 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fail | 02:35 |
| b-man|laptop | ~mohammadag | 02:35 |
| infobot | i heard mohammadag is special | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ham | 02:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | bit often now, eh? | 02:36 |
| infobot | ham is probably oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager | 02:36 |
| doc|home | dupe! | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~undo ham | 02:36 |
| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer51: did you add that custom call to infobot? xD | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh fsck | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: literal curse | 02:37 |
| infobot | "curse" is "<reply> see swearing" | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sometimes I wish the screen was twice the area | 02:37 |
| b-man|laptop | ~help | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: literal insult | 02:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | infobot: literal insult | 02:37 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 02:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably a module | 02:37 |
| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer51: type ~help | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | b-man|laptop: why? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess I know it by heart | 02:38 |
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| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer51: there might be a call to undo that | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tell me... | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget ham | 02:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: i forgot ham | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ham | 02:39 |
| b-man|laptop | ;) | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it possible to do this in PM/ | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~unforget ham | 02:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: Successfully recovered 'ham'. Have fun now. | 02:39 |
| b-man|laptop | hmm | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: literal ham | 02:40 |
| infobot | "ham" is "oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager" | 02:40 |
| b-man|laptop | ~math 2+2 | 02:41 |
| njsf_ | ~coffee | 02:41 |
| infobot | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage | 02:41 |
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| b-man|laptop | ~cookie | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~2+2 | 02:42 |
| infobot | Hey b-man|laptop, is | 02:42 |
| infobot | somebody said 2+2 was 5 | 02:42 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:42 |
| b-man|laptop | ~babelfish | 02:43 |
| b-man|laptop | hmm, didn't work | 02:43 |
| b-man|laptop | edit: nvm :P | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~2 + 2 | 02:45 |
| infobot | somebody said 2 + 2 was 5 for sufficiently large values of 2 | 02:45 |
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| b-man|laptop | ~lart MohammadAG | 02:45 |
| * infobot crushes MohammadAG with a full height scsi disk | 02:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~useless | 02:45 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 02:45 | |
| MohammadAG | ~lart DocScrutinizer51 | 02:45 |
| * infobot stabs DocScrutinizer51 | 02:45 | |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 02:45 |
| b-man|laptop | xDD\ | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~111111111 * 111111111 | 02:45 |
| infobot | 12345678987654320 | 02:45 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:45 |
| b-man|laptop | ~kernel | 02:46 |
| infobot | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100604, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1, stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.5 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.15 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.47 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~nuke | 02:47 |
| infobot | Cockroach. I win. | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~Ubuntu b-man|laptop | 02:47 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual | 02:47 | |
| MohammadAG | it wasn't like that | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~Ubuntu b-man|laptop | 02:47 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual | 02:47 | |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | meh, someone changed it | 02:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how many ibot (threads) there are | 02:47 | |
| MohammadAG | it was RTFM | 02:47 |
| b-man|laptop | ~join #xceleo | 02:47 |
| b-man|laptop | :D | 02:47 |
| b-man|laptop | D: | 02:48 |
| b-man|laptop | <infobot> I am not allowed to join #xceleo. | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | how are the ~attack like commands defined? | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | ~attack DocScrutinizer51 | 02:48 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer51 | 02:48 | |
| * MohammadAG takes pics | 02:49 | |
| b-man|laptop | all i know is that infobot is written in perl | 02:49 |
| b-man|laptop | haven't really examined the source | 02:49 |
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| b-man|laptop | ~nickometer MohammadAG | 02:50 |
| infobot | 'MohammadAG' is 8.000% lame, b-man|laptop | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart MohammadAG for taking pics | 02:50 |
| * infobot DoSes MohammadAG for taking pics | 02:50 | |
| b-man|laptop | ~nickometer b-man|laptop | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | ~flash DocScrutinizer51 | 02:51 |
| infobot | 'b-man|laptop' is 26.000% lame, b-man|laptop | 02:51 |
| * infobot starts a firmware update on DocScrutinizer51, then pulls the plug halfway through | 02:51 | |
| b-man|laptop | noo! | 02:51 |
| b-man|laptop | ~nickometer DocScrutinizer51 | 02:51 |
| infobot | 'DocScrutinizer51' is 30.000% lame, b-man|laptop | 02:51 |
| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer51 is lamer than i am :D | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: fsckya | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | ~fsck DocScrutinizer51 | 02:52 |
| infobot | e2fsck /dev/DocScrutinizer51 : warning! filesystem contains idiots! | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | ROFL, that wasn't intended | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 02:52 |
| b-man|laptop | LOL | 02:52 |
| * b-man|laptop dies laughing | 02:52 | |
| MohammadAG | I didn't even know it was defined | 02:52 |
| b-man|laptop | xDD | 02:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 yawns | 02:53 | |
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| MohammadAG | expected something a forced fsck while mounted | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | like a* | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ~ham | 02:53 |
| infobot | it has been said that ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. | 02:53 |
| b-man|laptop | ~lart himself | 02:54 |
| * infobot forces himself to use Outlook Express | 02:54 | |
| MohammadAG | herself* | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to start a garage project | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | to make all apps that work perfectly in portrait, support portrait | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | starting with modesst, and ending with the application manager | 02:54 |
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| MohammadAG | i.e adding a flag and building it | 02:55 |
| * MohammadAG gulps | 02:55 | |
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| Arkenoi | modest needs new UI | 02:55 |
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| b-man|laptop | lol | 02:56 |
| Arkenoi | the current one just sucks big time | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:56 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: wtf? | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, share the package when you're done http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: botsnack | 02:56 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 02:56 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, don't worry, DocScrutinizer51 doesn't abuse his op | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | much | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:57 |
| * MohammadAG runs | 02:57 | |
| * b-man|laptop hides MohammadA | 02:58 | |
| b-man|laptop | *MohammadAG | 02:58 |
| * MohammadAG points at the tab button on b-man|laptop's laptop | 02:58 | |
| Arkenoi | hmm, mailing lists seem to be long dead | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fie hard | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | die even | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ignore MohammadAG | 03:06 |
| * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, MohammadAG!" | 03:06 | |
| MohammadAG | *sniff* | 03:07 |
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| Macer | damn | 03:08 |
| Macer | cant find any wallpapers of erica cerra | 03:08 |
| Macer | :/ | 03:08 |
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| Macer | normally i would use alicia keys but she got knocked up so she is off the list | 03:09 |
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| Chiku | any remote for philips living colors for maemo ? | 03:19 |
| Chiku | any remote for philips living colors on maemo ? | 03:19 |
| haltdef | want to try again, didn't hear you the first two times | 03:21 |
| Ikarus | Chiku: not possible | 03:22 |
| Ikarus | those living colours devices use iirc zigbee | 03:22 |
| Ikarus | or a custom protocol, sort of forgot :) | 03:22 |
| Ikarus | friend of mine works at philips, he was busy interfacing other stuff to living colours | 03:23 |
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| Chiku | on google with qtirreco philips living colors | 03:23 |
| Chiku | there is a link to maemo talk | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | have you considered using complete sentences? | 03:23 |
| Chiku | but link broke | 03:23 |
| Chiku | QtIrreco for N900 (87). to Applications by Meelis - 7 mins ago .... Philips living color remote on n900? by: RDJEHV | Replies: 2 | Views: 170 | Forum: ... | 03:24 |
| Chiku | talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6352808&pp=25&page=11 | 03:24 |
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| Chiku | Ikarus, the devices supports radio frequence, and not ir | 03:27 |
| Chiku | 3) The Gen2 uses IEEE802.15.4 (it says so in the manual) and is said to use encrypted Zigbee. Zigbee and encrypted Zigbee use IEEE802.15.4. | 03:31 |
| Chiku | ok | 03:31 |
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| Ikarus | Chiku: guess what | 03:36 |
| Ikarus | the N900 supports Wifi and Bluetooth on those frequencies | 03:36 |
| Ikarus | it can't do zigbee | 03:37 |
| Ikarus | it lacks the hardware to generate the modulation for it | 03:37 |
| Chiku | I don't know what is zigbee. let's me read wikipedia | 03:37 |
| ptl | Popular name for the IEEE 802.15.4 standard for an extremely low power, and low bit rate wireless PAN technology, Zigbee is designed for wireless ... | 03:39 |
| ptl | ZigBee, defined in the IEEE 802.15.4, is the technology used in the low data rate Wireless Personal Area Network (WPAN) for home control, building automation industrial automation. ZigBee covers up to 330 feet (about 100 meters) in the bandwidth of 20 to 250 kbps. ... | 03:40 |
| Chiku | so pc with wifi or n900 could remotel zigbee devices ? | 03:41 |
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| Chiku | I got the link http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41944 | 03:48 |
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| b-man-gvm | i'm chatting from GVM :) | 03:52 |
| ptl | and what is GVM? | 03:52 |
| b-man-gvm | GarnetVM | 03:52 |
| ptl | oh. | 03:52 |
| ptl | Palm emulator | 03:52 |
| b-man-gvm | upIRC is nice for a palm IRC client :) | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn amoebas | 03:58 |
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| ptl | protozoans are worse! | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst are the humans accusing you for antisemitism (I'm German) because of you saying main actor of Monk the TV series is probably a jew | 03:59 |
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| * MohammadAG googles antisemitism | 04:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, if even Germans are so indoctrinated they don't allow critics of Israel's foreign politics, because of holocaust. Even worse, just the mentioning of "this is probably jewish humor" is considered antisemitic. Any decent jew would probably insist in there's a thing like jewish humor, and it either is good for you or you don't like it. But that's insane - really | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 04:04 |
| satmd | ack. | 04:04 |
| satmd | that's why I stopped to care about whatever "they" say in general | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Germans are the most dangerous blockheads on this planet, seriously | 04:05 |
| cehteh | including you? :) | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm happy I never felt like being German | 04:06 |
| cehteh | how does it feel? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | though living here, I have nothing in common with those idiots | 04:07 |
| * cehteh humms some Wagner Overture | 04:07 | |
| cehteh | btw will you be at froscon in august? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that amoeba thought he's politically correct (PC) and didn't realize he's perpetuating the same shit over and over again | 04:08 |
| cehteh | the chinese govt is politically correct too .. | 04:09 |
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| cehteh | and the north korean one of course | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | I'm a mass killer. | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | found a colony(?) of ants in my candy bin | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just let it go | 04:10 |
| * MohammadAG calls animal cruelty and gives them luke-jr's coordinates | 04:11 | |
| b-man|laptop | ~lart animal cruelty control | 04:11 |
| * infobot slams animal cruelty control against a large cement Tux | 04:11 | |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: ants exist for me to kill | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | at least, once they enter my home | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: finding yourself accused to be antisemit, because you say Monk is probably a Jew... That'sa hard to let go | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ignore it, it's just name-calling | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | not even accurate name-calling at that | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so what | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | you get upset every time someone calls you a retard? | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | or idiot? | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's just prolly some idiot | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, vive l'Anarchia!!!!!! | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, he kicked infobot because of it | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | ... | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | ~fsck luke-jr | 04:13 |
| infobot | e2fsck /dev/luke-jr : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, at least it didn't say that to you | 04:13 |
| b-man|laptop | hehe | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | s/it/she | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry chanel, it drove me away | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | ~fsck MohammadAG | 04:14 |
| infobot | e2fsck /dev/MohammadAG : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Jackie Chan is probably asian! | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seriously offered that guy to go out and fight it down | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | aww infobot, you shouldn't have | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, o_O | 04:15 |
| vldcnst | Whats the stock kernel/pr1.2 CPU utilization of hildon-desktop and xorg while idle (not standby)? | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | that *me* who thinks all political concepts are major BS | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Political view: Screw them (R) My profile on facebook | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | lol | 04:16 |
| b-man|laptop | rofl | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | amoebas (tm) JR | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | JR, reminds me of that electronics shop :P | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | man will never leave that solar system when fighting about such idiocies | 04:17 |
| luke-jr | Political Views:So Conservative I fall off the edge of the political spectrum | 04:18 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.facebook.com/luke.dashjr fwiw | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: we all knew that. Still I accept you :-P | 04:18 |
| * MohammadAG drools http://www.jr.com/toshiba/pe/TOS_X505Q880/ | 04:18 | |
| MohammadAG | can' anyone lend me some cash? I'm 1.5 $ short | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | -', +k | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: I'm $600 short-- for rent due on the 1st | 04:19 |
| * b-man|laptop digs in his pocket | 04:19 | |
| vldcnst | 1.5$? | 04:19 |
| * b-man|laptop pulls out some cash, gives it to MohammadAG | 04:20 | |
| MohammadAG | you missed the +k part | 04:20 |
| vldcnst | I ignored it! | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just short of a perspective to get me my next breakfast | 04:20 |
| * MohammadAG takes the money from b-man|laptop and ships the laptop to Illinois instead of Israel | 04:20 | |
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| b-man|laptop | LOL | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but life still has a meaning, as people appreciate my hostmode shit | 04:21 |
| * MohammadAG demands a refund!!! Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GH | 04:21 | |
| vldcnst | The GUI is great. /pat | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | expected 3.2 or something | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | I appreciate your shit too DocScrutinizer | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | shit w/ the metaphorical meaning of course >.< | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | ~lart b-man|laptop | 04:22 |
| * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at b-man|laptop | 04:22 | |
| b-man|laptop | rofl | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | .. | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | how can intestinal parasites be contagious? | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | ~lart b-man|laptop | 04:22 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags b-man|laptop into court suing for $200 million | 04:22 | |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, direct contact | 04:23 |
| b-man|laptop | ~lart MohammadAG | 04:23 |
| * infobot beats MohammadAG over the head with a microkernel | 04:23 | |
| luke-jr | direct contact to your intestines? | 04:23 |
| b-man|laptop | xDD | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, well, according to answers.yahoo.com, you can poke your baby while having s... | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 04:23 |
| b-man|laptop | oh lord xD | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | or get your baby pregnant (I seriously saw that) | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: you pervert! | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | you don't accidentally see crap like that | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, nothing new there | 04:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests a radical switch of topic | 04:25 | |
| MohammadAG | beer? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | best neer in franconia | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | beer even | 04:25 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tbh I was just trying to make you forget about antis... w/e it's called | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | seems like that didn't work xD | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my storage is permanent | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | mine is volatile | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fatal stack errrors rage | 04:28 |
| * MohammadAG should prolly start sticking to a schedule | 04:29 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you forgot to nuke IL today | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | or I didn't hear the siren | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tolwon't do itd ya I | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck tp | 04:29 |
| * MohammadAG buys DocScrutinizer a new keyboard - you seriously need one | 04:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I told ya i won't do it | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a laptop with switch-off/no touchpad | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | HP it is then | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | too expensive | 04:31 |
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| MohammadAG | Alienware! | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | oh and I find it quite ironic that some laptops have a capacitive-like button for turning off the touchpad | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 04:32 |
| * MohammadAG needs a new laptop | 04:32 | |
| MohammadAG | this one doesn't even have a drive | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | synaptics borked. that's the problem | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | Synaptics are cool, sometimes | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or X borked | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | synclient doesn't work no more | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | well | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks xorg | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | changes to the linux kernel are becoming annoying | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | 1. integration of nouveau | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | 2. dumping xorg.conf | 04:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lies ^ | 04:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer burrps | 04:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmokey, if you fart now, I'll kick you | 04:36 |
| * MohammadAG51 sends that as a memo | 04:37 | |
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| b-man|laptop | hay FatalSaint :) | 04:37 |
| FatalSaint | sup b-man | 04:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer is going to nag neighbours with chemical brothers @ 110dB | 04:38 | |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 04:38 |
| b-man|laptop | rofl | 04:39 |
| * SpeedEvil puts on some Prodigy. | 04:39 | |
| * MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn | 04:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | I learned a couple of months back that prodigy is really, really bad music to do manual labour to. | 04:39 |
| pupnik_ | bleh | 04:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "idiot Germans" and wanders off | 04:40 | |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | honest question | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | germans = nazis? | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Relatively few of them now. | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | I get confused by this crap | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | germans == idiots | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, so it's not a synonym | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | The national socialist party of ~1940 is known as the Nazi party. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even a notion about what nazi means | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | they got* | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | During that period, being a member was pretty much required to get a good job/... | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (outside of the actual war years) | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowadays you need to bash any mentioning of "jewish *" to become president | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any reference to jews is considered antisemitism, and it's propagated by israel | 04:43 |
| b-man|laptop | i'd say obama is one of the worst presidents that we have in the united states - he even has a fake social security number and 12 aliases | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | There is only one at a time. | 04:45 |
| Ken-Young | Thank god. | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | "" waht ?? you don't like us to nuke civil vesels? You're antisemitic!!! "" | 04:45 |
| b-man|laptop | yeah | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | While they may all be referred to as 'president' - even when they leave the job - there is not more than one when referring to the present tense. | 04:45 |
| Ken-Young | Anyone looks good after W. | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-to-create-17-new-jobs-by-resigning-and-final,17472/ | 04:46 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | night | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Night. | 04:48 |
| b-man|laptop | c ya | 04:48 |
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| * b-man|laptop needs to leave too - c you guys tomorrow :) | 04:50 | |
| luke-jr | just as long as you don't C++ me | 04:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Night peeps | 04:51 |
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| Termana | good morning | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: I seem to be unable to find out about the serial console testpads :-S | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: sorry, will take a few days longer to get an definitive answer for you | 05:42 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, no problem :), like I said anyway - no rush | 05:43 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: http://elinux.org/N800#Status look up to date? | 05:49 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, Sorry for slow responses, in between doing things :P - looks mostly like thats right. | 05:55 |
| Termana | But I don't know about battery charger | 05:55 |
| Termana | Battery charging worked for me | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | Termana: well, that's one of the "big 3" closed things | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | works != merged | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | any idea on the ???'d bits? | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | that is, if N800 has tsl2563 and/or lp5521, and the unknown chipsets | 05:56 |
| Termana | I don't own an n800 so I don't know exactly, but if you look in the code for the original kernel for n8x0 it should say (?) | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're talking inuktitut? | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LP5521 is the indicator LED driver chip used in N8x0 afaik | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing to do with battery charging | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: didn't say it did | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't say you're talking english | 06:01 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, I think the LCD panel should be a Sharp LS041Y3. I don't know why whoever did it, didn't add the name, since they obviously knew it was merged :P | 06:05 |
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| Termana | err.. | 06:06 |
| Termana | sorry | 06:06 |
| Termana | It should be a Philips LPH8923 | 06:06 |
| Termana | copied the wrong thing to my clipboard | 06:06 |
| Termana | Unless these two lines have nothing to do with anything: | 06:07 |
| Termana | +#define MIPID_VER_LPH8923 3 | 06:07 |
| Termana | +#define MIPID_VER_LS041Y3 4 | 06:07 |
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| Termana | no no no, it is the Sharp LS041Y3 :P LPH8923 should be for 770 | 06:10 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: I did it, and the driver is generic | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | MIPID is some kind of LCD standard | 06:14 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, right, the "Mobile Industry Processor Interface DBI-C/DCS specification" its in lcd_mipid.c, which says the only supported LCDs are the one in the 770 and the n8x0 one | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 06:17 |
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| dima202 | hey has anyone used the utorrent client to remotely control utorrent? | 06:19 |
| dima202 | any good? | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:20 |
| dima202 | I used to use Deluge but I am thinking of switching | 06:21 |
| Termana | luke-jr, also, I think "Internal UART/Serial" can just be listed as OMAP-UART Controller - thats all the kernel people are calling it it seems. Its probably just something that TI have done themselves I would say. | 06:23 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, Also cbus' purpose can be listed as - "make life a pain in the arse" | 06:39 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: lol, it's a wiki-- edit :p | 07:24 |
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| sandhh | hi | 07:26 |
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| rm_you | so I got my replacement n900 (again) :P | 08:50 |
| rm_you | can get my dev environment set up now in 10.04 and actually get something done, woo | 08:50 |
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| vldcnst | woo idd | 08:50 |
| Livingroom | anyone up? | 08:50 |
| Livingroom | got some problems with me old n800 here | 08:51 |
| Livingroom | if i go to gronmayer and install all the sources (without duplicating) whenever i install something now it says it cant find all these dependancies, but if i install through the console, it flatly refuses to boot. what sources are safe? | 08:52 |
| vldcnst | only the Force is safe! | 08:53 |
| Livingroom | wat | 08:53 |
| vldcnst | ugh.. the Force? | 08:54 |
| Livingroom | unfortunately "the force" isnt a repo. | 08:55 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:55 |
| vldcnst | :( | 08:55 |
| Livingroom | srsly though why is it doing this? does anyone know? | 08:55 |
| vldcnst | the Force is everywhere! | 08:55 |
| vldcnst | doh! | 08:55 |
| Livingroom | i had to completely reflash it earlier so it's factory 2008 chinook or whatever | 08:55 |
| Livingroom | is there some sort of over-the-air distupgrade i'm supposed to do? | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | N800 hasn't been supported in over a year now | 08:56 |
| Livingroom | ok? | 08:57 |
| Livingroom | so what, nothing on the repo's will work? | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't be surprised. | 08:57 |
| Livingroom | that's very lame | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | it's all very lame | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | grab Gentoo ;) | 08:57 |
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| asj_ | Livingroom: take what luke-jr also says with a grain of salt, he's a troll anyways | 08:57 |
| Livingroom | oh i c | 08:57 |
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| rm_you | Livingroom: basically, just trust Extras | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | I'm not a troll, but I *am* speculating :) | 08:58 |
| rm_you | though there may be a bit of truth to that, not many people are maintaining their n800 repos still :( | 08:58 |
| Livingroom | does anyone know what sources are safe for the N800? | 08:58 |
| vldcnst | Trolls in WoW are imba. | 08:58 |
| rm_you | i know I don't... I just left ABL in a then-usable state and hope it stayed working | 08:58 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: basically, just trust Extras | 08:58 |
| Livingroom | feck. | 08:58 |
| Livingroom | what is ABL/ | 08:59 |
| rm_you | don't use anything else and you'll be fine... if you need specific things, enable one repo at a time | 08:59 |
| rm_you | Advanced Backlight | 08:59 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: n900 is a nice device, buy one ;) | 08:59 |
| Livingroom | oh | 08:59 |
| Livingroom | n900 also is $375 used | 08:59 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 08:59 |
| Livingroom | and n800 works perfectly for what i need | 08:59 |
| rm_you | they're pretty expensive | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: don't blindly buy a N900. decide what you might want it for and do research on whether it will actually fit your needs | 08:59 |
| asj_ | that's pretty darn good price for what it is imho | 08:59 |
| Livingroom | tethers to my iphone through maemo-pan | 08:59 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: it is an unfortunate side-effect of a completely user-run distro | 08:59 |
| Livingroom | *sigh* ok | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | asj_: cheaper for Pandora IIRC ;) | 09:00 |
| rm_you | when the developers move on to a new platform (as they pretty much ALL did, to n900) their code starts to bit-rot :( | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: Gentoo works, if that will do what you want | 09:00 |
| Livingroom | what do you mean? | 09:00 |
| Livingroom | if i wanted to haul a laptop with me i'd just use ubuntu | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: that's why good developers don't target specific platforms | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: Gentoo on N800 | 09:00 |
| Livingroom | somehow i doubt it will do what i want | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | does everything Gentoo usually does | 09:01 |
| rm_you | luke-jr: well, we didn't have much choice with Maemo ITOS2008 | 09:01 |
| asj_ | rm_you: I think that's true about pretty much anything though, when a new platform comes out old support just gets dropped. mobile devices like this just have a really short cycle | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: granted | 09:01 |
| vldcnst | wait, wait. didn't he just say he has an iphone? ow noes. | 09:01 |
| asj_ | (we can take cobol code as the example of really long life cycle systems | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: what exactly *do* you want? | 09:02 |
| rm_you | asj_: yes but in corporate environment, they have entire departments that stick around to maintain legacy code so customers don't bitch | 09:02 |
| rm_you | there is no such thing in OSS | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: really? I don't see that in any environment | 09:02 |
| rm_you | because we do things for fun, not to get paid :P | 09:02 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:02 |
| rm_you | I see it at the company i work for | 09:02 |
| Livingroom | i want what i had before i fucked it up: browser, pidgin, flipclock, duke3d, doom. i started screwing with it because i wanted a good wifi stumbler. i had one once before but it was lost in a previous crash, and when i tried to install a new one, it fucked everything all to hell. | 09:02 |
| asj_ | rm_you: ubuntu lts is an example of long support (too bad ubuntu is a poor server) | 09:02 |
| asj_ | rm_you: but support does end, look at win95/98/nt4/etc | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: 3D?? | 09:03 |
| Livingroom | luke-jr: wat? | 09:03 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: the KEY is not to blindly enable all of gronmayer... i did that and fscked my device up as well. just install what you need | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: N800 has never done 3D | 09:03 |
| Livingroom | luke-jr: apt-get install duke3d | 09:03 |
| rm_you | duke3d is | 09:03 |
| rm_you | err... | 09:03 |
| rm_you | not really 3d | 09:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:03 |
| rm_you | duke-nukem-3d ran on like, windows 3.1 | 09:04 |
| Livingroom | no, it ran on DOS | 09:04 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo has games-fps/duke3d | 09:04 |
| Livingroom | there's no way i'll run gentoo on my n800. period. | 09:04 |
| asj_ | it was really dos, it was the 32 protected env that was so popular no? | 09:04 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: with that app list you have, you should be ok | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:04 |
| Livingroom | i f*cking hate desktop linux | 09:04 |
| Livingroom | asj_: it was DOS4GW lol | 09:04 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: most of that is in extras, and what isn't, i doubt has much in the way of dependencies, just download and install the .deb for it | 09:05 |
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| luke-jr | Livingroom: fine, install Gentoo, qemu, and Windows XP | 09:05 |
| rm_you | *do not* use gronmayer unless you have to | 09:05 |
| * luke-jr runs | 09:05 | |
| rm_you | just do extras | 09:05 |
| rm_you | and add advanced-backlight to your app list :)\ | 09:06 |
| rm_you | you won't regret it! :P | 09:06 |
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| Livingroom | if linux had driver support, it would be awesome. but since there's zilch in the way of support, it sucks balls. | 09:06 |
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| Livingroom | lol is adv bl the one with the split icon? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: you're crazy | 09:06 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: ubuntu since like 8.xx has good driver support <_< | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | no, i am not crazy | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | FUCK THAT | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Linux supports more hardware than any other kernel to ever exist | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | FUCKING FUCK THAT | 09:06 |
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| luke-jr | by far | 09:06 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: ssssh | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | UBUNTU has SHIT support i had to spend FIVE FUCKING HOURS installing a GODDAMN SOUND DRIVER for an OFF THE FUCKING SHELF DELL | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | and dont EVEN get me started on A2DP | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | Ubuntu sucks. Get over it. Ubuntu != Linux | 09:07 |
| rm_you | a2dp can be a bitch | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | wtf is a2dp | 09:07 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: bitch to dell dude | 09:07 |
| Livingroom | bluetooth stereo sound | 09:07 |
| rm_you | luke-jr: a2dp is what got me into n800 dev | 09:07 |
| Livingroom | bitch to dell MY ASS! it's frickin REALTEK | 09:07 |
| Livingroom | bullshit realtek "HD" | 09:07 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: then complain to Realtek | 09:08 |
| rm_you | it works fine now in 9.10+ | 09:08 |
| rm_you | BTW | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | i would but they only speak thaiwanese | 09:08 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: no, dell decides what hardware they use, they can choose realtek or not | 09:08 |
| rm_you | i had the same issue | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | asj_; i suspect it's harder than that. motherboard... | 09:08 |
| rm_you | though it only took me like 20 minutes to fix before 9.10 | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | well, you probably do this often | 09:08 |
| rm_you | then again, i'm good with linux <_< | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | i dont | 09:08 |
| * luke-jr thinks it's ironic that Dell sells Ubuntu PCs with hardware not supported by Ubuntu. | 09:08 | |
| Livingroom | last fulltime linux i used was RH6.2 lol | 09:09 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: you don't think dell can tell the MB what it wants or doesn't? | 09:09 |
| rm_you | but yeah, 9.10+ is way better about that | 09:09 |
| asj_ | MB manufacturer | 09:09 |
| rm_you | I'd say try Arch maybe though | 09:09 |
| rm_you | Arch is looking like a really cool distro | 09:09 |
| Livingroom | ubuntu afaik doesnt support any kind of realisticly usable bluetooth | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | generally, Gentoo just gives the expectation to tweak anything and everything before it works right | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | so tweaking is the norm, not the rare annoyance | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:10 |
| rm_you | yeah i ran gentoo for a year and decided i wanted my life back | 09:10 |
| rm_you | as it took most of my freetime to make it keep working :P | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | I'm on like year 5 | 09:10 |
| rm_you | i sometimes went a week without X, lol | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | been running Gentoo almost as long as I've been married | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:10 |
| asj_ | year 5 of no life? | 09:10 |
| rm_you | though i definitely learned a lot | 09:10 |
| rm_you | wouldn't trade that experience away | 09:10 |
| asj_ | I wish gentoo would have just died when it's governance imploded | 09:10 |
| rm_you | i thought it DID? | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | asj_: it did | 09:11 |
| rm_you | i thought gentoo was dead now | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | but I don't have time to learn something else now | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:11 |
| rm_you | anyway, Arch uses a portage-like system | 09:11 |
| rm_you | sort of | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo works "good enough" most of the time | 09:11 |
| asj_ | rm_you: oh good, it's only time that the ricers will go away then ;) | 09:11 |
| rm_you | i did really like portage/ebuild | 09:11 |
| rm_you | just not for EVERYTHING | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | Portage/ebuild is a good start | 09:11 |
| rm_you | much prefer binary for 95% of my install needs | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | I think it's time someone innovates a bit | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: that's what p2pcc is for | 09:12 |
| rm_you | yeah well, Arch is "binary based, with ebuild for good measure" or something like that | 09:12 |
| Livingroom | somebody needs to do for linux what (fuck me for saying this) apple did for unix. | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | (conceptual distcc + binpkg sharing cloud) | 09:12 |
| Livingroom | i have NEVER had to compile a goddamn thing on OSX. | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: ruin it? | 09:12 |
| rm_you | yeah OSX makes me cry inside | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | Apple is more evil than Microsoft | 09:12 |
| Livingroom | i'm not a fanboy, i dont own macs, only an iphone | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:13 |
| Livingroom | so i feel that i can say this: | 09:13 |
| dr34m | mornin ladies | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | only fanboys own iPhones | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | :) | 09:13 |
| Livingroom | apple makes unix work | 09:13 |
| Livingroom | four words i fuckin HATE to say | 09:13 |
| asj_ | the problem with gentoo (ubuntu has it as well), I want to go back to exactly the version I had yesterday. Let's say there's updates and I install them, somehting breaks badly I want to be able to say "put version 10.4.45 back" and voila. Of course I want a log of versions, like git reflog. | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | asj_: that's easy | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | FEATURES=buildpkg | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | :) | 09:14 |
| asj_ | luke-jr: no it's not | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | emerge =crap-10.4.45 -1k | 09:14 |
| rm_you | you can do it with apt too BTW | 09:14 |
| rm_you | look at your install log | 09:14 |
| rm_you | and do apt-cache policy to see the versions | 09:14 |
| asj_ | trust me, we had that problem and we tried. The problem was it wasn't the version built yesterday it was built 3mo prior and we weren't sure what was and wasn't at different versions | 09:14 |
| rm_you | and go back to the last one | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | oh, you mean like how WINDOWS lets you rollback to an EARLIER STATE? | 09:15 |
| asj_ | rm_you: downgrading debs isn' very easy | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | asj_: that's a problem unrelated to the one you mentioned | 09:15 |
| Livingroom | gg linux. | 09:15 |
| rm_you | sure it is | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | if you don't know what version you want, it's another matter entirely | 09:15 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: windows just added that, don't be too happy | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | mainly reviewing emerge.log | 09:15 |
| Livingroom | asj: windows XP had that | 09:15 |
| microlith | oh is this a troll discussion? | 09:15 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: and it needed it because it fucks itself all by itself | 09:15 |
| rm_you | apt-get install app=versionstring | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: so keep your entire filesystem in git | 09:16 |
| rm_you | the example from the APT howto on debian.org: | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | :D | 09:16 |
| rm_you | apt-get install nautilus=2.2.4-1 | 09:16 |
| asj_ | rm_you: yeah, but not do that 50-60 times, it's sucky | 09:16 |
| Livingroom | asj_: and upgrading packages that break things isnt ubuntu fucking itself? all by itself? hmmm | 09:16 |
| asj_ | err now | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: or seriously, use btrfs or whatever the new FS with that capability is | 09:16 |
| rm_you | i havent had that issue since like, dapper drake | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: my friend has | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | Ubuntu keeps screwing up his network stuff | 09:16 |
| Livingroom | i really dont care, i already made it clear: i hate desktop linux. it's nowhere near viable. never has been and at this rate never will be. end of discussion. i'm not saying more; i'm simply sticking to my N800. | 09:16 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: no, ubuntu isn't broken, anyways | 09:16 |
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| luke-jr | Livingroom: and I already made it clear: you're crazy | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | and I need to get to bed or I'll become crazy too | 09:17 |
| asj_ | rm_you: this was old unsupported software, anyways, it would be nice to downgrade nicely is basically my point | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | night | 09:17 |
| Livingroom | ok, hears another great exmaple of how wonderful ubuntu is: i have two monitors. guess what: NO TASKBAR for the 2nd monitor! thats right! i have to organize both monitor's windows on a single application bar! whee! nothing like wasting fucking time! | 09:17 |
| Livingroom | s/hears/heres | 09:18 |
| microlith | Livingroom: wait, how do you enable that in vista? | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | Livingroom: complaining about mere defaults is a waste of time | 09:18 |
| microlith | or am I just feeding a troll? | 09:18 |
| rm_you | asj_: not trying to defend ubuntu or anything at this point, just curious: is there an OS that DOES do this? for the record, pretty much 100% of the time I have used system restore in windows, it has either straight up failed, or broken things more | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | when I had two monitors, that setup was ideal for me | 09:18 |
| rm_you | maybe OSX with Time Machine is closest? | 09:18 |
| asj_ | rm_you: that's no excuse! ;) you have a point | 09:18 |
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| rm_you | I have only seen that fail badly a couple times, and a few times it works | 09:19 |
| Livingroom | time machine can fuck some things up | 09:19 |
| rm_you | it's like saying you don't like Toyota cars, because they don't fly... | 09:19 |
| rm_you | find a car that DOES fly before you start complaining :P | 09:19 |
| asj_ | rm_you: I don't like Toyota cars because they DO fly into other cars ;) | 09:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:19 |
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| asj_ | (and well because my ford gets better milage than the prius) | 09:20 |
| Livingroom | rm_you: http://www.moller.com/ - incidentally, i hate toyotas because they dont fly. | 09:20 |
| microlith | rofl, moller | 09:20 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: do you really want to bring up Moller? | 09:20 |
| Livingroom | lol :D | 09:20 |
| asj_ | because his doesn't either | 09:21 |
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| Termana | Ok, what did I miss | 09:21 |
| rm_you | well, one thing you have to keep in mind with any linux distro, is that it is CONSTANTLY evolving, and usually VERY QUICKLY. a distro could have a completely different usability factor after just six months, so don't try it and then say two years down the road that it sucks without trying it again... it could be WAY better. also, in some cases, much worse :P | 09:21 |
| asj_ | heya Termana | 09:21 |
| Termana | :D | 09:21 |
| Livingroom | ok, we can skip moller and go back to the 50s: http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/chrisl34/2/1212332880/clare-and-sam-checking-out-the-flying-car.jpg/tpod.html | 09:21 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: and where is it now? | 09:22 |
| asj_ | (in a museum in San Mateo, CA) | 09:22 |
| Livingroom | asj_: flying over seattle. | 09:22 |
| Livingroom | thats one of 3 | 09:22 |
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| asj_ | it would have made car accidents a hell of a lot me fun | 09:22 |
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| asj_ | cars with propellers spinning is a Doing It Wrong (rm) | 09:23 |
| asj_ | err (tm) | 09:23 |
| rm_you | GAH i was in San Mateo last week and I didn't go see this!? :P | 09:23 |
| Livingroom | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2550902895914120566# | 09:23 |
| asj_ | rm_you: Miller Aviation Museum | 09:23 |
| asj_ | Livingroom: lol! | 09:24 |
| Livingroom | so yeah, where's your toyota now? | 09:24 |
| asj_ | it's a car with a trailer | 09:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:24 |
| asj_ | "Sec Honey, you strap the baby in and I'll bolt on the wings, won't be but a jiffy" | 09:25 |
| Livingroom | ROFL | 09:25 |
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| Livingroom | "oh honey, be a dear and fly me to mothers house" | 09:26 |
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| Livingroom | "only if you have a parachute, bumpkin" | 09:26 |
| asj_ | was this bold 32 in-lbs or 32 ft-lbs, ah I'll just eyeball it | 09:26 |
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| Livingroom | lol | 09:26 |
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| pigeon | hmm, weird, i can't find weatherbug from the ovi store on the n900. | 09:27 |
| Livingroom | if i didnt already have an awesome phone i'd probably buy an N900 | 09:27 |
| vldcnst | I hope you're not referring to the I.. I thingy | 09:30 |
| Livingroom | i was indeed | 09:30 |
| vldcnst | oh snap, die! | 09:30 |
| Livingroom | never have i seen tighter integration of internet, and cellphone | 09:30 |
| Livingroom | and the unlimited data helps. | 09:30 |
| Livingroom | not to mention, oh my god, someone finally put a real goddamn browser in a phone, even if it's webkit based | 09:30 |
| vldcnst | WHAT? | 09:31 |
| Livingroom | they were the first, in 2007 | 09:31 |
| vldcnst | What about umm, flash? | 09:31 |
| Livingroom | what about it? | 09:31 |
| rm_you | n900 runs chrome <_< | 09:31 |
| rm_you | and firefox | 09:32 |
| vldcnst | yeap | 09:32 |
| vldcnst | and opera! | 09:32 |
| Livingroom | hey! great! i can run a spyware laden browser on my mobile device! | 09:32 |
| rm_you | lol opera | 09:32 |
| rm_you | lolwut? | 09:32 |
| rm_you | spyware? :P | 09:32 |
| Livingroom | chrome = goddamn spyware, imo | 09:32 |
| vldcnst | oh noes | 09:32 |
| Livingroom | googles all like "yo, this dude browsed such and such website" | 09:32 |
| rm_you | alright, i give up... you *must* be a troll | 09:32 |
| Livingroom | quite frankly, they dont deserve to know that. | 09:32 |
| Livingroom | i just dont trust them. | 09:32 |
| rm_you | Chrome is Open Source | 09:32 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:32 |
| vldcnst | let me guess, you have google.com 127.0.0.1 in your hosts. | 09:33 |
| Livingroom | lolno | 09:33 |
| Livingroom | i use google to search | 09:33 |
| Livingroom | and that's it | 09:33 |
| rm_you | Livingroom: go browse the SVN and see if that code actually exists | 09:33 |
| vldcnst | s/s/ file | 09:33 |
| rm_you | hint: it doesn't | 09:33 |
| vldcnst | rm_you: opera for pc's is great. | 09:34 |
| rm_you | i gave you help/advice on fixing your n800, no go be a conspiracy theorist / troll somewhere else | 09:34 |
| Livingroom | lol | 09:34 |
| Livingroom | i took your advice too | 09:34 |
| rm_you | vldcnst: yeah, i use opera over firefox pretty much all the time | 09:34 |
| Livingroom | adding once source at a time | 09:34 |
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| rm_you | vldcnst: love speeddial / sync | 09:34 |
| vldcnst | rm_you: I only use opera. It's not that great for maemo, but still, it's there. | 09:34 |
| rm_you | Opera Mobile is kinda sad now tho | 09:34 |
| rm_you | on n800 originally i loved it | 09:34 |
| vldcnst | kinda, yes. but usable! | 09:34 |
| rm_you | but n900 browser is better now IMO | 09:34 |
| vldcnst | Yes, imo microb is the best option atm | 09:35 |
| vldcnst | firefox/opera/chrome = slow | 09:35 |
| vldcnst | well not slow, but slow to use. | 09:35 |
| rm_you | yeah... massive props to the browser team this time around :P | 09:35 |
| rm_you | n800 is was kinda sad but they pulled out all the stops to make it damn nice for n900 | 09:36 |
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| vldcnst | if they made something like speed dial for it.. ugh! | 09:36 |
| rm_you | can sync bookmarks kinda | 09:37 |
| rm_you | i mean, you CAN | 09:37 |
| rm_you | but it isn't like speeddial | 09:37 |
| rm_you | i always wished i had more than a 3x3 grid tho | 09:38 |
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| vldcnst | on opera? | 09:38 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 09:41 |
| vldcnst | you can.. | 09:41 |
| rm_you | like 4x5 speeddial | 09:41 |
| rm_you | HOW!?!?!?!?!!111 | 09:41 |
| rm_you | REQUIRE | 09:41 |
| vldcnst | right click > configure? | 09:41 |
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| rm_you | O | 09:42 |
| rm_you | M | 09:42 |
| rm_you | F | 09:42 |
| rm_you | G | 09:42 |
| * rm_you hugs vldcnst | 09:42 | |
| * vldcnst runs away. | 09:42 | |
| rm_you | i looked and looked and looked in all the options menus | 09:42 |
| rm_you | who knew they hid it right in plain view like that | 09:42 |
| rm_you | well, besides you, obviously :P | 09:42 |
| vldcnst | helps files are there for a reason, you know | 09:43 |
| vldcnst | help* | 09:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:45 |
| dr34m | anybody tried gettin the fish module to work with irssi / xchat on the n900 ? | 09:46 |
| opdf2 | anyone know where conboy keeps the notes? | 09:54 |
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| vldcnst | anyone tried a CP-306 stylus? http://www.uk-mobilestore.co.uk/images/97206-ebay1.gif | 10:00 |
| vldcnst | I was thinking of getting one in blue | 10:01 |
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| asj_ | vldcnst: they come with the 5800...work fine.... | 10:16 |
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| cehteh | looks like a guitar plectrum | 10:19 |
| Livingroom | !seen sneakret | 10:19 |
| dr34m | for what are those things? :) | 10:19 |
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| vldcnst | it's supposed to be a stylus | 10:20 |
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| Livingroom | what are the downsides of forcing a package to isntall without its dependanceis? | 10:22 |
| vldcnst | it won't work as intented? | 10:22 |
| vldcnst | intended* | 10:23 |
| Livingroom | what if it calls for dependancies which ahve yet to be ported, like "perlmagick" ? | 10:23 |
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| Trizt | I say wait until you can get that package too | 10:24 |
| Livingroom | what if development on the package i want, which depends on the package that doesnt exsist, stopped two years ago? | 10:24 |
| Trizt | then start to patch it so it don't need that package | 10:25 |
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| Livingroom | how can i patch it, if i cant download it, because apt says (and i quote) "depends: perlmagick but it is not installable" | 10:25 |
| vldcnst | RTFM? | 10:26 |
| Trizt | download it to your desktop fix it in the SDK and then make it a new package, put it on a repo | 10:26 |
| Livingroom | there we go. thats what i was looking for. | 10:26 |
| Livingroom | thank you | 10:26 |
| Livingroom | is maemo5 what the n900 runs? | 10:28 |
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| Trizt | yes | 10:29 |
| Livingroom | rats | 10:29 |
| Livingroom | anyone know of a good stumbler for n8x? | 10:29 |
| Livingroom | i had one but accidentally lost it. sigh | 10:31 |
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| Livingroom | how do i tell if i have diablo or chinook? | 10:40 |
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| Termana | About product in the Control Panel? | 10:42 |
| Termana | Doesn't Chinook show up as OS2007.. I think | 10:43 |
| Livingroom | just says os2008 | 10:44 |
| Termana | err... nevermind. Chinook should be OS2008 as well. 2007 was Bora | 10:45 |
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| Termana | Livingroom, what version number (beside OS2008) does it show | 10:45 |
| Termana | mine is 5.2008.43-7 and I am on Diablo | 10:45 |
| Livingroom | 5.2008.43-7 | 10:45 |
| Termana | You should be on Diablo then | 10:46 |
| Livingroom | terrific | 10:46 |
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| pigeon | is there anything i should backup before installing the power kernel? | 11:01 |
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| Trizt | pigeon; if something goes wrong, you will need to flash, but you don't have to flash the emmc | 11:04 |
| pigeon | thanks | 11:05 |
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| Trizt | I did it a few days after pr1.2 and it went painlessly for me | 11:05 |
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| pigeon | cool | 11:06 |
| pigeon | for now the only thing i'm interested in is nat. | 11:07 |
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| * Trizt nods | 11:13 | |
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| Trizt | I was more looking into change the values for CPU, go down on max frequency and that it would have a lower threshold to switch to a higher frequency than default, but that didn't seem to work that well | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 11:15 |
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| Livingroom | anyone here use kismet on the n800? | 11:16 |
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| lbt | o/ | 11:19 |
| lbt | hi Stskeeps | 11:19 |
| lbt | how goes it | 11:19 |
| sivang | hey lbt | 11:19 |
| lbt | hi sivang... rested now ;) | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, in the middle of nowhere | 11:20 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: good place to be.... you get the best views! | 11:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | note to self, never snooze an alarm when the dialog pops up before it sounds | 11:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | had to kill the daemon to stop it | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: it's so bad i loose 2g connectivity regularly and the only place to get internet access is if i lean the laptop against the window on 2nd floor ;p | 11:21 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG51; that sounds bad, you done a bugfix? | 11:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: life is trying to communicate with you :D | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: shame they're speaking in a language i don't understand ;p | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | got a sunburnt face by now though | 11:23 |
| lbt | heh | 11:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | Trizt, in practice, someone would snooze it after the alarm sounds :) | 11:23 |
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| lbt | gah... nothing is working... osc lost usernames... | 11:24 |
| * lbt renews kerberos credentials.... d'oh | 11:24 | |
| Trizt | MohammadAG51; sure, but I usually wake up before the sound start, so for me it could become an issue | 11:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 11:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, ping | 11:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | and alterego | 11:25 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:26 |
| lbt | hi Jaffa | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning Jaffa | 11:26 |
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| sivang | lbt: you were exhusted? I took a long rest over the weekend | 11:28 |
| lbt | actually yes, I've had a couple of restful days too | 11:28 |
| sivang | lbt: I saw all the emails on my subjects but forced myself to not respond until I am less exhusted | 11:28 |
| sivang | :) | 11:28 |
| sivang | So hopefully, tonight I will go over all the stuff and respond and start working on the wiki page as Ville noted. | 11:29 |
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| lbt | yes.... I think we should be careful to split our focus though | 11:29 |
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| lbt | core QA, community QA and QA tools+frameworks | 11:30 |
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| sivang | lbt: okay, so let's decide what's mostimportant at the moment and concetrate on that? | 11:32 |
| sivang | the most proximate work to do, and less requiring deep development work | 11:33 |
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| sivang | fro example | 11:33 |
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| lbt | I'm more of a "lets see what main areas we have and understand the inter-relationships a little".... then when we start to work on, eg tools, we know the scope of their eventual deployment.... | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: ? | 11:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, what problems did you have with ICQ? | 11:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | MSN Haze isn't signing in | 11:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | the port keeps resetting to a negative value | 11:36 |
| sivang | lbt: sounds good, so for now we need to find our main areas. We'll do that. | 11:38 |
| sivang | lbt: we actually already did for some parts, as on the former QWAG wiki page. | 11:38 |
| lbt | *nod* | 11:38 |
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| lbt | actually => #meego | 11:39 |
| sivang | lbt: I want to try to get approval from project BDFLs to engange community in enduser integrational testing by providing maybe devices with OS combinations on them, so before each release we'd get a non developer feedback to know of things we might overlook as developers. | 11:40 |
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| sivang | lbt: ubuntu laptop project was much a success following this approach. | 11:40 |
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| Livingroom | does anyone here use kismet on the n800? mine keeps trying to kill a vap and i have no idea what the hell to do | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | MohammadAG51: telepathy-haze will not establish connection with icq servers unless your libpidgin0 is an old version | 12:08 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG51: The latest version of telepathy-haze will not establish icq connection at all | 12:08 |
| Livingroom | god damn this is pissing meo ff | 12:09 |
| Livingroom | why wont kismet work!? | 12:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | Livingroom: move to the bedroom. | 12:10 |
| Livingroom | i'm actually in the bedroom right now | 12:11 |
| Livingroom | but it keeps saying something about VAP | 12:11 |
| Livingroom | i add a source, wlan0 and it just freaks out | 12:11 |
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| Livingroom | keeps saying failed to destroy vap operation not supported | 12:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | you can make it not create VAP | 12:16 |
| Livingroom | i dont care what it does i just sick of this "madwifi source wlan0 failed to destroy vap wlan0::wlan0: failed to destroy vap: operation not supported | 12:16 |
| Livingroom | what the goddamn fuck is a VAP there is NO documentation | 12:16 |
| Livingroom | i'm entirely too tired to be messing with this | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, msn doesn't sign in anymore | 12:17 |
| GregoryRasputin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vascular_adhesion_protein VAP | 12:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | where did you obtain that kismet from? | 12:17 |
| Livingroom | apt-get | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | humm, extras-devel? | 12:19 |
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| Livingroom | dont have that source installed | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | I got my copy of kismet from extras-devel, it came preconfigured | 12:21 |
| Livingroom | how can i check? | 12:21 |
| Livingroom | where i got it from? | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | I suppose under App Manager > Application cataloguse | 12:22 |
| psycho_oreos | s/cataloguse/catalogues/ | 12:22 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I suppose under App Manager > Application catalogues | 12:22 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG51: Not using MSN, but I think you are not tied to Haze with MSN, There is Butterfly. | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | butterfly's python | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | it crashes at each connection switch | 12:23 |
| Livingroom | but how do i know i'm getting it from that source and not another? | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | you can check it probably via dpkg-deb --info I suppose (under terminal) | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Then you only have one option left. | 12:24 |
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| Livingroom | fuck it i'm going to bed. | 12:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, pecan? meh | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | psycho_oreos: use the en-US spelling and you won't make that mistake ;-) | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, HAM will tell you where you're going to get things from | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's one of the fields | 12:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly anyone here has given me any form of proper support | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, do you know which file I need, exactly? | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | I can try to build it | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | s/any/that/ | 12:33 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: timeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly thatone here has given me any form of proper support | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | we aren't paid enough :) | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | or find it in my archives | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | how much are you paying us, anyway? ;-) | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | bot fails | 12:34 |
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| djkrikke | Is it just me, or has the scrolling behavior of microB changed since PR 1.2? | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not getting paid for my works so I don't expect to pay anything either :) I'm pretty broke otoh | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, umm, enable sdk repo, install dpkg-repack, disable the repo | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, its in sdk? didn't know that.. I know its available for PR1.2 but I'm not PR1.2 yet | 12:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm not on PR1.2 yet* | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's available for 1.2? | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | that doesn't matter afaik | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | just add the sdk repo (big flashy warning sign) | 12:35 |
| psycho_oreos | well I know dpkg-dev is available for PR1.2 and few other things.. well at least in the fremantle repo | 12:35 |
| psycho_oreos | ok I'll have a look for that thanks | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | does apt have logs gdi | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, you sure you're not looking at the sdk repo? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | it needs dpkg-dev, which isn't available | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | unless you add the sdk repo | 12:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 12:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | I've added extras-devel and that main pool | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | haven't found this sdk repo just yet | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | psycho_oreos: did you try http://repository.maemo.org/ ? | 12:38 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, did that but dpkg-repack doesn't work right.. it needs a proper version of tar.. not the one that's symlinked to busybox | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | well um | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | "eTooBad" | 12:39 |
| psycho_oreos | well afaik I got the dpkg-repack normally, but it needed all these deps which I build out of sb to get it work.. and now I'm stuck at the tar bit | 12:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | dpkg-repack is mainly a perl script, works across any platforms that has perl anyway :p | 12:40 |
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| djkrikke | anyone noticed a change in scrolling behavior of microB since PR 1.2? | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | djkrikke: did you try reading bugs.maemo.org? | 12:43 |
| djkrikke | it's not a bug actually | 12:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's the change? | 12:44 |
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| djkrikke | before 1.2, a scroll was simply a scroll, and when you stopped pushing the "down" key on the keyboard, it simply stopped | 12:44 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 12:45 |
| djkrikke | now, it keeps scrolling often half a page more after you released the key, what is annoying because on a webpage you already passed the text you'd like to read | 12:45 |
| Khertan | I'm looking for a graphist for making a nice icon for KhtEditor licenced under cc ... ;) | 12:46 |
| djkrikke | and theres this weird behavior that when the page isn't fully loaded (rendered) yet, it just keeps scrolling till the end of the page, and that's really awkward | 12:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | why don't you think that's a bug? | 12:47 |
| djkrikke | the last one seems to be a bug yes, the first thing doesn't seem like it | 12:47 |
| djkrikke | but I've already looked on bugs.maemo, don't seem to find a ticket | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: where's the homepage? | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | or are you using ohloh as the homepage? | 12:48 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, for khteditor ? none yet ... :) the main page is gitorious.org/khteditor :) | 12:49 |
| Khertan | ohloh is just a tracker which found it in gitorious :) | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oh about pickers? | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | s/pickers/pictures/ | 12:49 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: oh about pictures? | 12:49 |
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| Khertan | hum... let me found one | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | s/oh about pickers/how about pictures/ | 12:49 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: how about pictures? | 12:49 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, http://khertan.net/screenshots/khteditor_editor.png | 12:50 |
| Khertan | it s look like a bit the same than PyGTKEditor ... but faster and in qt | 12:50 |
| Khertan | i m currently working on implementing a real time pylint checking | 12:51 |
| Khertan | in a plugin | 12:51 |
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| Khertan | currently there is only syntax hilighting for python ... but i'm planning more in future | 12:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, ping | 12:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | Khertan: what dimensions? | 12:53 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, the maemo one :) | 12:54 |
| Khertan | 64x64 | 12:54 |
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| Khertan | once the project will be ready for maemo ... i ll work to made it working for all other supported Qt Plateforms | 12:58 |
| Khertan | as for the moment i use QtMaemo5 class and i cannot test it under meego as PyQt binding isn't available for meego yet ;) | 12:58 |
| Khertan | nor pyside | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/khteditor.png ? | 13:00 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, hum ... why not ... anyway ... let me try it on the black background of the n900 launcher | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: timeless@gmail.com as the commit user | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | be nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :) | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (no real name) | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i can give you a pxm if you want it too | 13:02 |
| Khertan | be nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :) <<< of course ... | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | credit in this case is git blame | 13:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | ohloh tracks my contributions to the world :) | 13:03 |
| Khertan | and my about screen will be long ... with many thanks | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Silly question. Linux on n8? | 13:03 |
| Khertan | timeless, héhé ... i 'm not a git expert, as i'm just learning on how to use it | 13:03 |
| Khertan | and i found the ohloh interface horrible | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | git commit —author | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: the ohloh people are friendly | 13:04 |
| Khertan | but it did a good work at tracking project and people | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have a problem and a constructive suggestion, they'll work on it | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so, what's your problem w/ it? | 13:04 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, it s more a matter a preferences of the web site interface | 13:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | you could probably offer an alternate theme :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan | but i couldn't really help them ... look at my website : http://khertan.net/ | 13:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan | i can't do better :) | 13:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | can you describe what you don't like? | 13:09 |
| * timeless_mbp has done a bit of everything | 13:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | linguistics/tranlsations, ui design, graphics, theming, web dev, sql, ... | 13:09 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, :) | 13:09 |
| Khertan | I find it a bit too gray, lack of separation between the different sections. | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | you mean the three columns? | 13:11 |
| Khertan | the three column and between the columns | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | the header/footer seem fairly visually distinct | 13:11 |
| Khertan | yep the footer have a nice separations | 13:11 |
| Khertan | yep the footer have a nice separation | 13:11 |
| Khertan | i found that it s fade globaly ... lack of an identity | 13:12 |
| Khertan | and opposite to ohloh ... i really like the new gitorious theme : http://gitorious.org/ | 13:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, they use faint ruled lines | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and colors... | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it does work | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, i don't like gitorious's colors | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | (or maemo's for that matter!) | 13:15 |
| pupnik | n900 gets hot in the sun | 13:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: mine hit 57C | 13:17 |
| pupnik | surprised it still works | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | In the baking scottish sun. | 13:17 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: got a temp commandline? | 13:18 |
| pupnik | proc/smth? | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of. | 13:18 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, it s just a matter of personnal preferences, i know :) | 13:18 |
| Khertan | anyway, must go on ... | 13:18 |
| Khertan | bye | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Do you have the power kernel installed? | 13:18 |
| pupnik | yea | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: if so, modprobe bq27x00_battery - and look around /sys/class/power/battery/temperature - or something like that | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, pong | 13:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, still looking for that sdk repo, do you know if dpkg-rebuild would work? | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | and also if its for armel platform | 13:20 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: hehe re the colors | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm damn :/ | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | http://repository.maemo.org | 13:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tools/sdk < components | 13:20 |
| pupnik | Nokia-N900-51-1:/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0# cat temp | 13:21 |
| pupnik | 48 | 13:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | That's the 'motherboard' temperature pretty much | 13:21 |
| sivang | MohammadAG51: He, now you've given me the link the responders on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 request, e.g. a point and cliky way to have Extras-Devel enabled :) | 13:22 |
| povbot` | Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. | 13:22 |
| pupnik | ty SpeedEvil for showing me to read n900 battery temperature with power kernel with the commandline "cat sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp" | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 13:22 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil knows a lot about the hardware hacking :) | 13:22 |
| sivang | and is a brit to add to his qualities :) | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Remember to thank me by clicking the 'Transfer $1000 via paypal' button next to my nick. | 13:23 |
| sivang | hehe | 13:23 |
| pupnik | that was for google so i can find it again if i need it | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:23 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: going to be in London coming September? I know I'm gonna enjoyr the royal docks area again :) | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's vanishingly unlikley at the moment. | 13:24 |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil: you're not in Britian right now? | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | sivang: I'm at my home in Scotland. | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | sivang, devel isn't somewhere I'm allowed to point users to | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~extras-devel | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | read the warning | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: It's maybe 500 miles away from london, and I have no working car, and no funds for transport anyway. | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | fu infobot | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~devel | 13:25 |
| infobot | from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 13:26 |
| pupnik | is there a reason why we can't see CPU temp SpeedEvil ? | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: no sensor | 13:26 |
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| pupnik | wow | 13:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | there is a sensor near to the battery though | 13:29 |
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| RST38h | Anyone ever done glEnableClientState(GL_COLOR_ARRAY)??? | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, see above discussion | 13:32 |
| RST38h | ? | 13:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | -> MohammadAG51 | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry RST38h | 13:33 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to use his colon more. | 13:33 | |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: ...and use the right end! =) | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Indeed. | 13:34 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, no luck with sdk; web address: http://repository.maemo.org - distribution: fremantle - components: tools/sdk | 13:34 |
| psycho_oreos | btw I actually meant dpkg-repack not dpkg-rebuild lol, oh well.. | 13:35 |
| psycho_oreos | still am in search of a proper tar not busybox's version | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install gnu-tar | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | repository.maemo.org | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | and that will tell you its installed, stuff provided would be /bin/tar linked to /bin/busybox | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | scroll down to repositories for maemo sdks | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | add the links there | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, read the description, you have to call it with gtar | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/tar-gnu/ | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | a "g" prefix | 13:36 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, ahh! I'm blind | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | or /usr/bin/gnu/tar | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It's now in extras psycho_oreos | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm bum, well I might as well symlink that across | 13:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, oh, didn't see that you talked about it | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | i use cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | stock-ish kernel | 13:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: That is reported to be deprecated by TI | 13:41 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: ah well, I'm going to use some of my important savings to go there , gonna need a flight for that. | 13:42 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: but Scotland is better anwyays so... ;) | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, which means? | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: It may not work at all | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It says '-40' for me | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | sometimes it does that | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | which is above 40 i think | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | says 21 here | 13:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's officially 'do not use, it's broken, do not rely on it' | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgot to save the link saying this on the TI forums though | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | no worries | 13:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | woot! thanks a bunch MohammadAG51 && SpeedEvil, dpkg-repack works! (though I don't know if I have contributed anything useful apart from building dpkg-dev from sb and grabbed a few other deps through the fremantle pool, if only there's a way to add the pool, it'll be nice) | 13:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, you have an sdk? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | just cat /etc/apt/sources.list and add the sdk ones | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | don't do apt-get upgrades/dist-upgrades though | 13:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, I did add those sdk as you mentioned but I dunno which solved the issue of the dpkg-repack, whichever way, it sure would have saved me from trying to painfully compile gnu-tar from debian sources and to try to get that to work when I've already got gnu-tar package named as gtar (I failed that, yes I'll happily admit) | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | though the pool stuff I meant were like in repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 free nokia-binaries non-free .. I tried addding those but of course that failed due to missing packages.gz as such | 13:49 |
| sivang | MohammadAG51: right, yes, the warning is loud and clear :) | 13:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, you don't add repos like that :) | 13:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | add the lines to the respective sources.list file on your N900 | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, yeah that's the normal debian way :) I've done that previously but ran into other issues which made me instead put all of them into app manager as individual entries (and yes needless to say, painfully) | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | ran into a few out of disk space and stuff | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | move /var/lib/apt to /opt and symlink it | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | I've now moved /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt to /home/user/MyDocs instead.. and symlinked them | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah | 13:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i wouldn't do that | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | MyDocs is VFAT | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | didn't know where to trace the root of the problem so I used strace | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah it doesn't preserve permissions, I was thinking of putting it into /home/user directory but that only has 2GB | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | what I do need is a nice 16GB SDHC card :) make that ext3 and its win-win for me | 13:54 |
| * MohammadAG51 has that | 13:54 | |
| MohammadAG51 | but my lists are on opt | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | only the archives are on the mmc | 13:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | don't make me jealous lol :) I was looking at the price for one the other day when I had to pay a few bills, really ticked me the price | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | (easier backup restoration with apt-get instead of ham) | 13:55 |
| * MohammadAG51 wants a 32GB uSD | 13:55 | |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a wallet-breaker though | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | was thinking of splitting it up but that would be a pain to maintain.. the other way to look at it is to resize /home/user/MyDocs.. but I've looked at sfdisk and am not daring to mess with it, too confusing | 13:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol 32GB? :D~ | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | sure, why not xD | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | £100 though | 13:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | with that you could easily leave /home/user/MyDocs as vfat and store all music and stuff on the ext3 lol | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I did that. | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I simply tarred up mydocs | 13:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | onto /home | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I only have 2GB MMC on mine for now (I got it for free so I can't complain) | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | then pulled the back cover - to unmount mydocs | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Then fdisked to resize mydocs to 4G | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | then mkfs.vfat'd it | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | untarred | 13:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | made a new ext2fs on a new partition | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me | 13:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | (note - this was some time ago, I may have forgotten crucial steps, if you manage to break anything, I reserve the right to point and laugh) | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah not too daring to try sfdisk, its doable I acknowledge that but just had a look at sfdisk and it momentarily turned me off when I was focused on trying to get PR1.2 to work (of course before that, backups, including stuff I got from ovi store) | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: also. | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, pulling the back cover only unmounts the uSD | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | I only have my uSD as ext3 | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: On temperature - I tried md5sum /dev/zero for 10 mins. No rise from 17 | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | s/back cover/plug into USB as mass storage/ | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 14:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, what's /dev/zero? | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | just outputs 0 | 14:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | afaik | 14:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't load the CPU much | 14:03 |
| psycho_oreos | kind of good for writing 0's across disks, or for speed testing | 14:03 |
| vldcnst | Any idea where the temp sensor in on the battery? | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik it's next to it | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | not part of the battery itself | 14:03 |
| * MohammadAG51 pings SpeedEvil - he knows better | 14:04 | |
| vldcnst | Yeap, but where? :) | 14:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | vldcnst: It's not | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | vldcnst: it's on the motherboard | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter | 14:05 |
| vldcnst | oh, snap. So it's not only a sensor. | 14:06 |
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| Rinsmaster | How can I see the usage of the MyDocs partition? It doesn't appear in df -h here | 14:09 |
| flux | rinsmaster, it should. however, df [directoryname] will do df on the device the directory is on. | 14:10 |
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| Rinsmaster | Hm, that's weird, it's giving me this: | 14:11 |
| Rinsmaster | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.8G 39.9M 98% /home | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | you ran out of space on home | 14:12 |
| BCMM | can somebody kick marlboro^kancil? he's sending me links to get-rich-quick schemes in /msgs | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | marlboro^kancil: i want to get rich quick as well | 14:12 |
| Rinsmaster | jacekowski, but isn't /home a different partition from /home/user/MyDocs (the 32GB one?), I did 'df -h /home/user/MyDocs/' and it gave me that ^ | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | Rinsmaster: just do df -h | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | without options | 14:12 |
| Rinsmaster | Yes, then it doesn't list the 30GB partition | 14:13 |
| BCMM | anyone else had spam? | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | Rinsmaster: fdisk -l | 14:13 |
| BCMM | i got it by joining the channel, as far as i can tell | 14:13 |
| fragment | Rinsmaster: do you have the USB cable connected? | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | hmm no | 14:13 |
| Rinsmaster | fragment, oh, that's probably it | 14:13 |
| BCMM | yeah, same second exactly | 14:14 |
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| BCMM | yeah, happens any time i join the channel | 14:14 |
| BCMM | any ops feel like /parting and /joining then kicking him please? | 14:15 |
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| Natanaiel | which package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls? | 14:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: you're not meaning chanserv are you? | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 14:17 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: no, marlboro^kancil | 14:17 |
| rcg | BCMM: had spam as well | 14:17 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: with "Clik here to get money --> [redacted] or [redacted]" | 14:18 |
| * SpeedEvil wants money! | 14:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | How dare you redact those links! | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:18 |
| BCMM | (there were URLs there, but i don't wanna help him spam dodgy site) | 14:18 |
| BCMM | s/site/sites | 14:18 |
| BCMM | i can't remember, who does the kicking around here? | 14:18 |
| sx0n|home | where all that money comes from.. | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | sx0n: nigeria. | 14:19 |
| sx0n|home | they must be rich | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Cornerstone of the modern internet economy is nigeria. | 14:19 |
| rcg | well .. the positive thing is he is spamming in an encoding i can read .. rather then cryptic cyrillic characters ;P | 14:19 |
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| Natanaiel | which package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls? | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | telepathy, asking once is enough | 14:21 |
| Natanaiel | or which daemon listen to recive calls? | 14:21 |
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| DeVNuLL_ | hi | 14:40 |
| DeVNuLL_ | is something up with python-minimal on fremantle1.2 ? | 14:40 |
| DeVNuLL_ | can't install anything that depends on python | 14:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Random. I have an image (of bits of a n900 as it happens). I want to click on this image, and draw lines round different areas on it. I then want to export those areas as lists of points forming irregular polygons in ascii form. In order to use it to create an imagemap. Thoughts on software? | 15:21 |
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| _llll_ | inkscape | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | aha | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | kimagemapeditor also | 15:23 |
| alterego | I was actually contemplating porting that last night .. | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | inkscape? | 15:23 |
| alterego | No, KImageMapEditor :) | 15:23 |
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| alterego | I was looking through the ubuntu software centre for ideas of apps. | 15:24 |
| alterego | And for some reason, I thought about doing that one. But then scrapped the idea :P | 15:24 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone know how to get a GtkTreeView to have a blue info column, like the label on the "Profile" button? | 15:54 |
| pigeon | top | 15:54 |
| pigeon | doh | 15:54 |
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| frals | Jaffa: uh, got a screen or steps so i could see what you mean? :D | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Click status bar; look at blue text under main label of "Profile" button. Is that a named style I can use in a GtkCellRendererText? | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, another interesting thing is | 16:18 |
| frals | Jaffa: the regular 'value' of the button (General/Silent in this case)? | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | that BME is reading register 0x3b from chip 0x6b ( charger ) | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | on startup, and there is nothing about that register in datasheet | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | but content is same as 0x03 | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | frals: Yeah | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like it's using only lower bytes | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | frals: Ideally something like I could put in 'style' of http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkcellrenderer.html#properties-gtkcellrenderer | 16:20 |
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| frals | recon it should be a predef styled, im using cellrendertext and setting it markup= and using pango markup to do it though, give me a min | 16:22 |
| Jaffa | frals: Ah cool, that'd work too :-) | 16:23 |
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| frals | http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/controller_gtk.py#line113 and http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/fmms_gui.py#line319 | 16:24 |
| frals | not sure exactly which attribute to fetch but can probably find out | 16:25 |
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| frals | i suspect its 'ActiveTextColor' | 16:25 |
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| frals | yeah, 'ActiveTextColor' is the blueish one | 16:25 |
| frals | (on nseries theme) | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | frals: next question then - how do I set a PannableArea to take up an optimal size, rather than just doing set_size_request(BIG NUM, BIG NUM) | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | frals: ta | 16:26 |
| frals | Jaffa: set_size_request(gtk.CHILDREN_MAX) or something, cant remember the constant, sec :) | 16:27 |
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| frals | set_size_request_policy(hildon.SIZE_REQUEST_CHILDREN) | 16:27 |
| frals | not sure if its exactly what you are after thou :) | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | frals: thanks again | 16:30 |
| frals | np :) | 16:31 |
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| crs | Hi there. My n900 does not start. It shoows nokia logo on white background at the beginning then goes dark for a little while and restarts to show nokia logo again. it does it in infinite loop and never gets to those progress bar dots. permanently broken? | 16:50 |
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| iPeter- | crs: Did you flash it? | 16:52 |
| iPeter- | crs: I mean, once i tried flash and flashing failed at start. It just did reboot and reboot + vibrated. | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you are dealing with jrbme? | 16:53 |
| iPeter- | crs: If you can, try change battery. | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I'm peripherally involved. | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | so who's doing it? | 16:53 |
| * SpeedEvil points at DocScrutinizer. | 16:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/?group_id=1667 | 16:54 |
| crs | iPeter-: I did flash it but was working for long time afterwards... so i doubt this is a cause | 16:54 |
| iPeter- | crs: Well try to change battery. This solved my problem.. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | crs: Take out the battery, and unplug it for 30s. Replug into charger, plug battery in. Does it start properly? | 16:55 |
| crs | nope, still the same SpeedEvil. ;/ | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you own a multimeter? | 16:57 |
| crs | yes | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd measure the battery voltage | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's >3.7V - then flash it. | 16:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | If not - then it may be boot looping as it's not charged properly. | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I've seen that, though not fully understood the cause. | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Another thing to try might be to try charging from a PC. | 16:59 |
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| Jaffa | frals: working perfectly, thanks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4674953430/ | 17:01 |
| frals | Jaffa: great, np :) | 17:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | [timeless@ tmp2]$ tail -n1 dogenx.sh |perl -pne 's/ /\n/g'|grep -n $(ls -l /proc/32139/fd/5|perl -pne 's/.*xref.//') | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 673:libXp-1.0.0 | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | progress the hard way :( | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: how do i add an account? | 17:04 |
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| Lazy^ | which "spotify-cient" works best on n900...? qtify, yaspot ? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: All the accounts available will be shown, and the tick used to indicate if they're enabled or not. | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Since we're talking about ~6 services and it reduces the number of screens to be written | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ah | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't import/sync from two gmails? | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | evil, who me? | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | s/who/who,/ | 17:09 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: evil, who, me? | 17:09 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: No; not at the moment. | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: ATM there's enough wholesale refactoring going on ;-) | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 17:17 |
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| crs | iPeter-: battery should be about full i think | 17:29 |
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| sivang | is the maemo sdk installer hosed? | 17:33 |
| sivang | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/222556/ | 17:34 |
| sivang | I made sure to run with with sudo, | 17:34 |
| sivang | and all sources were available | 17:34 |
| sivang | and this used to work at home. | 17:34 |
| iPeter- | crs: Hmm odd, then i cant help but i dont think its really broken | 17:34 |
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| crs | SpeedEvil: i tried to turn it on with cable pluged to the computer - no improvement. I have measured the voltage. It is 3.9V so battery is OK, right? | 17:37 |
| crs | .flash | 17:37 |
| crs | :) | 17:37 |
| crs | !reflash | 17:38 |
| crs | How wa it? | 17:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - battery should be fine for booting | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | start flasher | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wait for it to say 'no device found - waiting' | 17:39 |
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| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | plug USB cable into phone, then plug battery in | 17:40 |
| crs | let me install flasher first. | 17:40 |
| crs | and I ant see 1.2 for uk on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_UK_variant_firmware | 17:40 |
| crs | Cant* | 17:40 |
| sivang | but wouldn't freeing up space on rootfs enable to do it OTA ? | 17:41 |
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| crs | yaaay | 17:52 |
| crs | reflashing seems to be working :) | 17:52 |
| crs | it works! :) | 17:52 |
| crs | yaaay | 17:52 |
| iPeter- | graz | 17:53 |
| iPeter- | (: | 17:53 |
| crs | OK.what had happen is... i droped it :( | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | sivang: you need more space for ota than it's possible | 17:54 |
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| crs | hmm, backup app says that there is no memory ard inserted :( | 17:58 |
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| crs | and I have no mount points except for /, /tmp, /var and /dev ;/ | 18:00 |
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| crs | yep, I cannot see that 32G memory space in settings/memory :( | 18:04 |
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| noobmonkey | frals, are you on? :) | 18:05 |
| frals | aye | 18:06 |
| crs | SpeedEvil: Thanks for hint with reflashing phone, it booted up but I cannot see internal memory now :( | 18:06 |
| noobmonkey | w000p | 18:07 |
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| crs | and it doesnt go into mass storage mode :( | 18:09 |
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| iPeter- | crs: Reflash again? :D | 18:10 |
| alterego | "Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900" - Seriously, I knew the forums would get bad with the N900, it just keeps suprising me at how bad :( | 18:12 |
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| kleetus | I am currently running 3.2010.02.8, my n900 is telling me to update to 10.2010,19-1.002, so I try to do it OTA, but the app manager on the phone says you need to use the nokia software updater, so I fire up a window 7 machine and install the software and the software tells me that 3.2010.02.8 is the latest, why? Is this because I am using AT&T and they did not permit the update as per help files? | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | crs: did you forget to remove the usb cable? | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's plugged into your computer, your 30gb of mass storage are exported to it | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of available to your n900 | 18:16 |
| crs | I know | 18:17 |
| crs | able is unpluged ;( | 18:17 |
| microlith | kleetus: If you're on AT&T, EDGE will be too slow to update over your data connection | 18:17 |
| microlith | try doing it over WiFi | 18:17 |
| kleetus | microlith: I did, but the screen about making a backup always says to use the software updater | 18:18 |
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| microlith | kleetus: open up the application manager and post the contents of the log up on pastebin | 18:19 |
| microlith | did you happen to run any "optification" scripts or somesuch? | 18:19 |
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| kleetus | no, i have no heard of those scripts, so i doubt it | 18:19 |
| microlith | ok | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | kleetus: so err | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | odd | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | kleetus: what's the url you used to get the software updater, and what version is it? | 18:20 |
| kleetus | not sure the url, but it was from the nokia site, but the version is 2.5.2 | 18:21 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: still cant see it, even after reboot and to having usb connected :( | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | crs: i'd rather you boot w/o the usb cable connected... | 18:21 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: I did | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | pastebin the output of 'mount' from X Terminal | 18:22 |
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| crs | I cant use browser on the phone :( | 18:25 |
| crs | it turns on and remains white after I type an address and press enter :( | 18:25 |
| crs | getting errors about memory | 18:26 |
| kleetus | is softupd.log the correct log file? | 18:26 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/Screenshot-20100606-172544.png toggling enabled :) | 18:26 |
| crs | like Getting started app says it wont start due to low memory | 18:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | manually list the volumes listed by 'df -h' from X Terminal | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: i can't imagine that 'xx:xx:' is a common or useful way to write a time and a colon | 18:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's the title. hence the trailing : | 18:31 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not part of the time. | 18:31 |
| Shapeshifter | but you're right it looks a bit odd. | 18:31 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: I have: rootfs, ubi0:rootfs, tmpfs mounted three times | 18:31 |
| crs | cannot see that big 32G memory at all | 18:32 |
| pupnik | n810 just needs external hard drive to serve up audio | 18:32 |
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| opdf2 | In the email Settings, Do I need to still enable "Update automatically", if Nokia Messaging is pushing email? | 18:32 |
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| opdf2 | because it specifies a time interval | 18:32 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: and MyDocs is empty but files should be there | 18:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: try using a ',' instead | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | crs: try opening file manager | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally you should be able to trigger a disk check of sorts | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | although, i don't remember the rules | 18:35 |
| crs | need to install that pakage which will allow me to do root operations first | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | file manager has the ability to do a certain kind of disk repair on its own | 18:37 |
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| nas_ | crs: rootsh ? | 18:37 |
| crs | yep | 18:38 |
| crs | it says: sh: cannot fork | 18:38 |
| crs | something is really wrong here :( | 18:39 |
| crs | closed apps and it went ok | 18:39 |
| timeless_mbp | crs: what third party software do you have? | 18:39 |
| crs | nothing now | 18:40 |
| crs | flashed it | 18:40 |
| crs | ok | 18:40 |
| crs | I have no /dev/mmc* devices :( | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | maybe you unmounted /? | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | somehow | 18:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't think /dev/mmc* is the actual device label | 18:43 |
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| crs | MohammadAG51: mount says that rootfs is mounted on / | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | reboot? | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | check dmesg | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | assuming you haven't done that | 18:43 |
| crs | MohammadAG51: i have, few times :( | 18:44 |
| kleetus | microlith: this is all that is in the application manager's log..."hildon-application-manager 2.2.52.2" | 18:44 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: * means everythin so I have nothing what starts with /dev/mmc... | 18:44 |
| * MohammadAG51 would sync | 18:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | crs: so, what's in dmesg? | 18:45 |
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| crs | timeless_mbp: what should I be looking for? Would you please do: dmesg|grep mmc and paste it here | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | there should be a line that talks about /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and there are lines about mmci and mmc1 and mmcblk0 | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | o/ lcuk | 18:49 |
| crs | timeless_mbp: that script indeed tries to mount those filesystems, but I do not have those devices at all :( | 18:49 |
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| crs | I cant see /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | have you dropped it or something? | 18:50 |
| crs | MohammadAG51: yep :( | 18:50 |
| crs | from less then one meter | 18:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | and this happened right after it? | 18:51 |
| lcuk | heya MohammadAG51 | 18:51 |
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| crs | afterwards phone didnt boot. i have reflashed it and it boots really nicely but i cant see internal memory (32G bin one). | 18:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | what does reflashing the eMMC do? | 18:52 |
| crs | havent tried it too | 18:52 |
| crs | I have my backup there, and there only :( | 18:52 |
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| simoneb_ | seems like osso_notes does not save your note on exiting if you edit an already existing file, it does instead save it in a temporary file and then save it in the original location if you open it again. am i the only one who finds this quite odd? | 18:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | does anyone know what package the "Slide to Unlock" screen is in? | 18:59 |
| crs | Any ideas how can I recover mmcblk partitions without flashing eMMC? | 19:00 |
| kleetus | here is the solution to my issue...this is so this channel can index it...http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-mobile-81/problems-updating-my-nokia-n900-to-maemo-5-10-2010-19-1-203-1-a-811754/ | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's already a wiki entry with troubleshooting ideas | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | crs, i'm not even sure if it can be recovered using software | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | the solder points may be broken | 19:02 |
| crs | ;/ | 19:03 |
| crs | I am trying to reflash it again | 19:03 |
| crs | if it wont work i will reflash emmc | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | crs if you can SEE the low lvel data area, you can potentially copy that off with dd and attempt to mount/recover using tools on desktop linux | 19:05 |
| lcuk | but if linux cannot even see that area theres nothing that can be done | 19:05 |
| crs | lcuk: I have no /dev/mmc* at all. | 19:06 |
| lcuk | yeah last time i had something corrupt (was on my 810) i had the /dev items but it wouldnt mount upto /mount/ | 19:06 |
| lcuk | so i could dd the entire area off and did some offline fixing | 19:07 |
| crs | lcuk: Yes, but it seems like n900 cannot see the device itself ;/ | 19:07 |
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| crs | lcuk: Any ideas before I try reflashing eMMC? | 19:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crs, again it could be a hardware problem | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | flashing the eMMC might fail to start | 19:11 |
| lcuk | crs so you dropped device and nothing is showing on the /dev partition, moh is right and it could be physical damage | 19:11 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, Think i have fixed it! | 19:11 |
| noobmonk3y | hey MohammadAG51 (Lol! 1?!) - hi lcuk ! welcome back | 19:11 |
| lcuk | but i find sometimes just waiting :) turn off device, take battery and cables out and go have a cup of tea | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, words can't describe how you popped into the middle of the convo | 19:11 |
| lcuk | then come back and retry before flashing | 19:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 19:11 |
| * noobmonk3y has put healthcheck on a diet! | 19:12 | |
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| noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo | 19:12 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, heya, saw your tweets that you are streamlining and organising healthcheck | 19:12 |
| crs | lcuk: tried that few times :( | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, 51, as in -51, as in RX-51, you n00b! | 19:12 |
| noobmonk3y | lol fairynugg | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | One other person has come up with a failed mmc | 19:12 |
| noobmonk3y | and yeah lcuk, it's getting there | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | with the same symptoms | 19:12 |
| lcuk | crs then logic is pushing you towards trying reflash emmc | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep | 19:13 |
| lcuk | bubt be aware, that might not work either .. | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it's actually going to be lots worse with 1.2 | 19:13 |
| noobmonk3y | all info functions are now in a separate py file, and its starting to look a lot better and easier to manage | 19:13 |
| * MohammadAG51 remembers that as well | 19:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | as 1.2 with a mmc will be largely broken. | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | with no mmc | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | yay | 19:13 |
| crs | SpeedEvil: i have 1.2 at the moment | 19:13 |
| lcuk | sure SpeedEvil but that was the same for pr1.0 too | 19:13 |
| lcuk | just more components now | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | i can finally start learning python using proper clean examples | 19:13 |
| * noobmonk3y has managed to bugger the gps location part though lol | 19:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: With 1.0 it will 'sort-of' work for many things. | 19:14 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51, if GIT was easy to use i'd show yo uknow | 19:14 |
| * lcuk managed to parse 3 things last night | 19:14 | |
| noobmonk3y | but after flashing, cant remember how to get it back on lol | 19:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: With 1.2 it won't really work at all. AIUI | 19:14 |
| crs | SpeedEvil: do you think I have other option then reflashinig eMMC? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil agreed | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, man git | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | crs: I would try sfdisk - and see what it shows | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | crs, Nokia Care Center | 19:14 |
| lcuk | i am still interested in full boot from MMC for fremantle | 19:14 |
| lcuk | i know its possible | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | I doubt they'll resolder it though, more likely a light swap | 19:15 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, cant really theres no /dev to hang onto to check against | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, i'm sure I saw a thread about it | 19:15 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, yeah you did i think - the startings of one anyway | 19:15 |
| crs | SpeedEvil: I dont see that device in /dev ;/ | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, wouldn't tar'ing the whole rootfs and shoving it in some mmc card work? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | not quite | 19:16 |
| crs | ok, lets see if I can reflash MMC | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | because the destination would also be trying to use the /home/opt from the original | 19:17 |
| lcuk | it would need tweaking | 19:17 |
| lcuk | so a dd, then some sed magic on a couple of files | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, then just remove the symlink and make it use a normal /opt | 19:17 |
| lcuk | and bob would metaphorically be your uncle | 19:17 |
| noobmonk3y | man git lols | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | I hate how some apps use /home/opt though | 19:17 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, yeah but its not a symlink | 19:17 |
| lcuk | thats the bit of tweaking | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51, ? | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | i use home//opt | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | home/opt | 19:18 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, you use /opt | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | was told to , so i did lol | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | oh | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | do i? | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | noobmonk3y, use /opt | 19:18 |
| * noobmonk3y smiles and nobs politely | 19:18 | |
| noobmonk3y | nobs? | 19:18 |
| noobmonk3y | nods | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:18 |
| * noobmonk3y loves typos | 19:18 | |
| lcuk | or rather your paths should be listed as /opt in the codebase | 19:18 |
| lcuk | even if by default they exist in /home/opt | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | Anyone having problems pushing to vcs.maemo.org? | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | jaffa not using git on maemo so dont know | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's not possible with the stock kernel as that does not support MMC without a module - you'd need an initfs | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a kernel with a module | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Or kexec | 19:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000p new healthcheck in extras devel - it's almost tidied up, still a bit to do, but getting there | 19:22 |
| crs | hmmm | 19:23 |
| crs | I cant reflash eMMC | 19:23 |
| crs | what i do is: | 19:23 |
| crs | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | -> Hardware error | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 19:24 |
| crs | and then once it finishes i do | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's.. not the eMMC | 19:24 |
| crs | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 19:24 |
| crs | but is says: | 19:24 |
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| crs | http://wklej.org/id/346520/ | 19:25 |
| crs | and very dark five dots shows up ant nothing happens | 19:26 |
| crs | I need to replug the battery to turn it on | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | -> Hardware error | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | you could try reflashing it again, but I doubt it'll work | 19:26 |
| crs | already tried twice with the same result ;/ | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | take it to a Nokia Care Center | 19:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, new H/C should now fix the gps prob, i can't replicate it, but i couldn't before :P | 19:28 |
| crs | damn :( | 19:28 |
| FIQ | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MaemoCentral/~3/y474P3rt7uQ/ . as Nokia probably wouldn't make that, it wouldn't be that hard to make a custom keyboard that every app can use? | 19:29 |
| crs | OK guys, will take it tomorrow to place where I bought it. Thanks for trying! | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | OMG http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=702422#post702422 | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder if it mounts / | 19:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | This file breaks all functionality of bootmenu.sh but it's broken anyway (IMHO). | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | I'll pass ^ | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | fiq - work in progress from many sides that needs coordinating. hildon input method is a bit more involved than a custom english only keyboard in single apps | 19:43 |
| lcuk | frals and noobmonk3y and others are all doing it | 19:44 |
| FIQ | ok | 19:44 |
| noobmonk3y | doing what? | 19:44 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 19:45 | |
| noobmonk3y | shite, late for dinner! | 19:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | well who would have guessed. if you don't really used your n900, except for some minor coding, some ssh, and only on wlan, it will actually hold 32 hours on one battery... | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, seems reasonable enough | 19:48 |
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| * MohammadAG51 hates flamers http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=702436&postcount=1043 | 19:52 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles hates that game developers haven't caught up with the fact that a large number of their users are playing on 1080 or better. | 19:53 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, really? | 19:54 |
| ayanes | hi | 19:54 |
| GAN900 | Uncomfortably small fonts | 19:55 |
| frals | pling | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | plong | 19:55 |
| frals | lcuk: ? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | plong | 19:55 |
| lcuk | ? frals arent you a member of the gitorious portrait keyboard project :P | 19:56 |
| frals | yeah just hadnt been bothered to scroll up | 19:56 |
| frals | :D | 19:56 |
| frals | w00t_: ping | 19:56 |
| lcuk | hola btw | 19:56 |
| frals | ello | 19:56 |
| w00t_ | pong | 19:56 |
| * frals just got the suitcase from the cellar, should start packing | 19:57 | |
| w00t_ | (if you've been trying to get me earlier, sorry, I've been having a "no-PC" miniholiday over the weekend) | 19:57 |
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| frals | w00t_: first attempt ;-) want to have your name in the maintainer field of portrait-keyboard? ;) | 19:57 |
| frals | w00t_: was thinking about doing talkthread/submit the 'working' stuff to -devel and try to get some people involved | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | or use multiple maintainers | 19:58 |
| w00t_ | yeah, that's a good approach (re: pushing it up now) | 19:58 |
| frals | w00t_: as im leaving the country this week by the looks of it and probably wont have much time the coming ~weeks | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | or just type in fr00t_ xD | 19:58 |
| w00t_ | aww :( | 19:58 |
| w00t_ | can do, but you'd better come back and rescue me! | 19:59 |
| frals | will do :) | 19:59 |
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| frals | lcuk: whos elima? :D | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | frals http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=elima+maemo :) | 20:16 |
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| frals | heh | 20:16 |
| frals | lets just say that the person you linked on twitter does not match that :p | 20:17 |
| lcuk | frals yeah i realised | 20:17 |
| lcuk | she can still come to the meeting tho :D | 20:18 |
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| Mece | hello | 20:18 |
| Mece | ~seen achipa | 20:18 |
| infobot | achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 4h 32m 59s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. | 20:18 |
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| Sebas1 | how come my backlight is off? | 20:29 |
| Sebas1 | when I reboot into maemo. | 20:30 |
| Mece | Sebas1, perhaps you're in a bright room? | 20:30 |
| Sebas1 | sorry? | 20:31 |
| Sebas1 | no I can see text. but there's not backlight.. | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | it does that at very, very low battery | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it will normally not boot in that case | 20:31 |
| Sebas1 | weird. battery shows at 80T% | 20:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | broken ribbon? | 20:32 |
| Sebas1 | what's a ribbon (sorry) | 20:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hardware "cable" which connects the screen to the motherboard | 20:35 |
| Sebas1 | even when I have charger connected. the light goes off. | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | Sebas1, does the light come on at all | 20:37 |
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| alterego | Is there a media tag editor for maemo? | 20:37 |
| Sebas1 | not when im booting meegos. only in normal mode | 20:37 |
| alterego | Thinking of developing one .. | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | booting meegos? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | huh Sebas1 ? meegos? | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, MussOrgsky | 20:38 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: ah, cool. | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | wow, echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness makes the N900 epic bright | 20:39 |
| Sebas1 | meego* xD | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | what MeeGo | 20:40 |
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| Sebas1 | n900 open arm 1.0 | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways, the screen should be @ 255 when the power button is pressed | 20:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | so... | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | Sebas1, when you press the power button, does it light up? | 20:42 |
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| Sebas1 | hold on | 20:42 |
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| Sebas1 | lcuk: might have something to do with bootmenu? | 20:45 |
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| Mece | MohammadAG51, ping | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | pong | 21:00 |
| alterego | pong | 21:00 |
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| Mece | hey you hack pyqt, right? | 21:01 |
| alterego | I do pyside | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | wrong guy, but ask anyways :P | 21:01 |
| Mece | heh, ok. got reports of AttributeError: type object 'Qt' has no attribute 'WA_Maemo5StackedWindow' | 21:03 |
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| arachnist | MohammadAG51: didn't make n900 brighter here | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~seen noobmonk3y | 21:04 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-176-110-73.range86-176.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 8s ago, saying: 'shite, late for dinner!'. | 21:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Mece, he ^ knows | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | w00t_, might know the answer as well | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | I, don't | 21:05 |
| Mece | ok. looks like a dependency problem. | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | arachnist, 1. did you do it as root 2. why are you on max brightness | 21:05 |
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| w00t_ | Mece: older PyQt didn't have Maemo5 specific stuff | 21:05 |
| w00t_ | I don't know if the current packages do | 21:05 |
| w00t_ | I haven't checked in some months | 21:05 |
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| arachnist | MohammadAG51: 1) yes, otherwise it would shout "permision denied", 2) dunno, it doesn't change the brightness automatically here | 21:08 |
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| Mece | w00t_, hmm. perhaps I need to add some version demands in the depends. | 21:15 |
| Mece | need to ask attila77 I guess. | 21:15 |
| w00t_ | possibly | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Mece, is there an equivelant of textbuffer in Qt? | 21:27 |
| w00t_ | what is textbuffer? | 21:27 |
| Mece | exactly... | 21:29 |
| frals | whats in a textfield in gtk | 21:29 |
| w00t_ | QTextDocument and associated classes might be what you're after by the sounds of it, maybe | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | Gtk.textbuffer, it's a text box that shows output | 21:30 |
| w00t_ | er, ok, weird name for it | 21:30 |
| w00t_ | I'd have expected textview | 21:30 |
| frals | textview is the ui object, pretty much | 21:30 |
| w00t_ | QTextEdit / QPlainTextEdit are the two widgets that do simple views of text | 21:30 |
| frals | textbuffer is whats holding the buffer of text... err, yeah | 21:30 |
| frals | A gtk.TextBuffer is the core component of the PyGTK text editing system. A gtk.TextBuffer contains the text, pixbufs and child widget anchors that are displayed in one or more gtk.TextView widgets. A gtk.TextBuffer has an associated gtk.TextTagTable that contains the gtk.TextTag objects that can be used to set attributes on the text in the textbuffer | 21:31 |
| w00t_ | that description doesn't mean a lot to me, but I'd still guess QTextDocument and friends: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qtextdocument.html#details | 21:31 |
| frals | yeah looks right | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | frals, hows your toewl | 21:34 |
| lcuk | towel | 21:34 |
| frals | tis going in the washer! | 21:34 |
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| frals | w00t_: wanna do announcement thread on talk about portrait-keyboard project (if you havent already) or should i? | 21:35 |
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| w00t_ | no strong feelings, i can write one if you don't want to, basically | 21:36 |
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| frals | free karma for you if you do! ;-) | 21:36 |
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| w00t_ | ok, what are you uploading it as? | 21:36 |
| * w00t_ opens talk | 21:36 | |
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| satmd | o.o:) | 21:37 |
| satmd | -either simley | 21:37 |
| satmd | *smiley | 21:37 |
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| frals | w00t_: id give you the package name, but err gitorious isnt responding :D | 21:39 |
| w00t_ | yeah.. saw that earlier | 21:39 |
| w00t_ | annoying | 21:39 |
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| frals | Package: portrait-keyboard | 21:40 |
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| w00t_ | cool | 21:41 |
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| SoLoMaNXX | hello | 21:41 |
| * w00t_ works out how to take a screenshot | 21:41 | |
| frals | ctrl shift p ;) | 21:41 |
| w00t_ | yes, but.. opening the keyboard closes the vkb | 21:41 |
| frals | :D | 21:41 |
| SoLoMaNXX | urm any one? | 21:41 |
| w00t_ | :-p | 21:41 |
| w00t_ | SoLoMaNXX: yes? | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t_: Install cpu-applet thingy | 21:41 |
| SoLoMaNXX | w00t_: i need help with N900 please | 21:41 |
| w00t_ | SpeedEvil: hrrm? | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t_: Then open app-menu - click the camera thingy - and then you have 20s before it takes a screenshot | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | SoLoMaNXX: just ask, and if someone can help, they probably will | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I might not. | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | SpeedEvil: hmm.. | 21:42 |
| SoLoMaNXX | i want to open an .exe program | 21:42 |
| * SpeedEvil only helps in return for cheese. | 21:42 | |
| SoLoMaNXX | on N900 | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | dosbox? | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by 'open an exe program' ? | 21:42 |
| SoLoMaNXX | a program with an .exe extenstion | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 does not use the same processor (probably) as your PC | 21:43 |
| lcuk | SoLoMaNXX, dosbox | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It cannot run normal PC programs, this requires an emulator. | 21:43 |
| SoLoMaNXX | lcuk: it will work? | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | There are several emulators that run basic PCs. dosbox is one. | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this a windows program? | 21:43 |
| SoLoMaNXX | dosbox? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | SoLoMaNXX, it will run exess whether you have all the librarys required (like windows libs) is another matter and how fast it works is also something else entirely again | 21:44 |
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| SoLoMaNXX | aha | 21:44 |
| SoLoMaNXX | hold on let me download it | 21:44 |
| lcuk | someone booted windows 95 afaik (in about 3 hours) | 21:45 |
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| SoLoMaNXX | installing.. | 21:45 |
| FauxFaux | It's incredibly unlikely you'd want to run anything that will work in dosbox. Ask a real question. | 21:46 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 21:53 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: which part of hardware has that 200mA limit? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | isn't that maximum average current | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | Iblimit is 1A | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | Ibo is .2A | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The boost mode | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure where the actual limit comes from - I would guess thermal dissipation in the high-side rectifier | 21:57 |
| lcuk | SoLoMaNXX, main public channel only and i cant answer your question anyway i just know of dosbox, others may know more | 21:59 |
| SoLoMaNXX | well if they know they would have replied lol | 22:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - you're not really helping - what sort of program is this. | 22:00 |
| SoLoMaNXX | mirc.exe | 22:00 |
| SoLoMaNXX | i dont want these chatx | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | no, that won't run | 22:01 |
| SoLoMaNXX | and irssi | 22:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is also pidgin | 22:02 |
| w00t_ | for future reference: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screenshot-tool is very useful | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, i just press the key vulcan grip thingy, ctrl shift p | 22:03 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: doesn't work when you need a screenshot for a vkb | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I use the cpu-applet thing | 22:03 |
| alterego | w00t_: yeah, what's up with the keyboard shortcut :P | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | works fine | 22:03 |
| lcuk | but i suppose with keyboard rotation testing and having kb slid in | 22:03 |
| alterego | Is there not a console command to do it? | 22:03 |
| w00t_ | alterego: that's what that is for | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I tried xwd without luck | 22:03 |
| alterego | Ah, right | 22:03 |
| lcuk | alterego, w00t_ just shared exactly that | 22:03 |
| alterego | I thought, maybe, without installing anything :P | 22:04 |
| Sebas1 | do I need to use Global version (firmware) if live in the netherlands? | 22:06 |
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| BugBlue | I loaded the global version and it works fine here .nl | 22:08 |
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| wazd | hello people | 22:10 |
| nas_ | hey | 22:11 |
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| sandst1 | hello | 22:13 |
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| frals | [2010-06-06 22:05:59] portrait-keyboard 2.0.0-2-maemo2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 22:17 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen my discovery about what bme and bq2whatever is doing | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gues | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | s yes | 22:24 |
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| jacekowski | the one about bme writing to 0x3b? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | bme on startup writes to chip id 0x6b ( charger ) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | to register 0x3b | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 4d, 4f, 4e | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | that's one thing | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | vm | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | nvm* | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no register ox3b on bq24150 | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | s/writes/reads/ | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: exactly | 22:25 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but it's reading it | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | and what's more important it gets valid answer | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mirror register, I guess | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | because it looks like bq24150 is only interested in lowest 3 bits of address | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite insane | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | high 5 bits are ignored | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the usual way of I2C | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so basically the access is modulo 2^2 | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 2^3 | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure your picture about lowest THREE bits is correct | 22:29 |
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| jacekowski | maybe it was 4 | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh yes, it is | 22:30 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not sure now | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | but it was either 3 or 4 | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we got 5 regs, so you need 3 bits to address | 22:30 |
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| jacekowski | but reading 0x03 and 0x3b gives you same value | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | and 0x04 with 0x3c | 22:30 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, ah, crap. This again? :P | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | does anyone know where menu arrangements are stored? | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so 0x3b modulo 7 | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrks, 8 | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | something like that | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | extremely insane design of BME :-S | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you JUST DON'T DO THAT in a clean source | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean WTF?! you got a define for each register | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that define isn't exactly 0x3b | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we should open a ticket against bme unknown, for fucked up source | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | function that's used to read registers from it starts at 000160A8 | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | could be a 'clever' person trying to obscure what it's doing. | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | and is called only by 2 functions | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | both are exactly same | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a crap! | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | 0001A33C - i never saw that one being called yet | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | but i see xrefs to it | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | and 00019188 that's acctualy called | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | and that function calls real read function | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's gibberish, we can't read that | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, Nokia certainly has an overabundance of clever folks. . . . | 22:37 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: open bme in disassembler | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | please include such conclusions to the disassembly document, so everybody can look up | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Yes, and a lot of wonderful ideas that clearly are a differentiator in the marketplace! | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | well, as far as i know accorting to t&c it's illegal to disassemble it | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Notice that nobody in the world has copied the media player. | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It must be _so_awesome!_ | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm using wmp | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | disassembling isn't illegal here in Europe, but publishing is | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: You're in the EU I thought? | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: yes | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but according to t&c that i had to accept to get latest firmware it's illegal | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | but i don't care | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it isn't | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia can revoke your right to use the software when you disassemble, based on the agreement. But they can not sue you | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | even the former isn't entirely clear | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might *need* to disassemble to put the software to purpose on the desired usecase, in which case for servicing purposes Nokia can't forbid disassembling | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if they deliver a 'fixed' version of the sw in due time :-P | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that the firmware terms and conditions seem not actually to be valid. | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 | 22:44 |
| povbot` | Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | As in fundamentally flawed - not subtle legal arguments. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | As in 'nobody actually read them'. | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/SLxgyENa | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement, still | 22:44 |
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| jacekowski | hmm i just infringed (c) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia might urge you to take it down | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | well, i can't | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so they need to proove economic damage, and sue you on that | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | they'll take you down | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | which surely is hard for them :-P | 22:46 |
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| n900-dk | frals: How to switch off the new portrait-keyboard? Do I have to uninstall it? | 22:47 |
| ohwhyme | is extras plugin for conversation working for pr1.2 ? Can't seem to get it working with msn or aim or yahoo | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | use the one in -testing | 22:47 |
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| Mece | ey what's up with the python depends in extras that people are posting about on tmo? | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | idk | 22:51 |
| ohwhyme | MohammadAG51: I've tried 0.7 and 0.8 but it doesnt work | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | 0.7 worksforme | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | remove and readd the account | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | also purge all related packages | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | ie libpurple0 | 22:52 |
| ohwhyme | how do i do that | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | account-plugin-haze | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | avahi* | 22:52 |
| ohwhyme | i read some packages need to be put on hold? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: quoting like bug #10261 is much cooler :-P | 22:53 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols | 22:54 |
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| ohwhyme | thanks :) | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | <MohammadAG51> apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | disable devel, install your crap, re-enable devel | 22:55 |
| RST38h | eh? | 22:56 |
| ohwhyme | its called pidgin right? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | and then what? | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's the "pretty name" | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, sign into ICQ | 22:56 |
| RST38h | I can sign into ICQ | 22:57 |
| RST38h | But only at the costhaze of downgrading pidgin libraries and the telepathy- | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | screw you, that's not what you said this morning :P | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: where's my python enabled xchat? ;-D | 22:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders which TZ lcuk is in | 22:59 | |
| RST38h | that's exactly what I have said | 22:59 |
| Mece | hello, could pyqt4.7.3 get some votes? https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-qt4/4.7.3-maemo5/ | 22:59 |
| derf | The uk in lcuk stands for UK. | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so the night starts at 21:00 for lcuk o.O | 23:00 |
| Mece | derf, no it stands for unbelievably kool. | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just about to wake up, and I'm +1 of him :-P | 23:01 |
| derf | Mece: That isn't what UK stands for? | 23:01 |
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| Mece | derf, haha. yeah! | 23:01 |
| derf | Well, that or "Unbelievably Kloudy". | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I was thinking Unicorn Knobber. | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | it was raining here | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | again | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | twice | 23:02 |
| derf | At the same time? | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil is the one who should know :-P | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | 20 minutes apart | 23:02 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly about football with 3 teams and 3 goals | 23:03 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny playground for sure | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GB, Scotland, Ireland -> dream game | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Not many contributions this week. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Scotland is part of GB | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeerks | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | UK is The united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. | 23:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | The united kingdom was created from the union of the crowns of scotland, england, and wales. | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I'm going to watch some telly with the missus, then blast at a few of them. Hermes refactor is going well - it's joined up with Facebook again | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Great britain refers to this. | 23:06 |
| GregoryRasputin | Yeah hopefully us in Northern Ireland get rid of the crappy UK | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought Scottish feel alike | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Not really. | 23:07 |
| GregoryRasputin | Yeah the Scottich and Irish want to get rid of crappy UK | 23:07 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, probably Scotland just the better part of GB | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a large proportion of people in scotland that understand that for economic reasons - significantly more devolution than currently might have extreme negative effects. | 23:08 |
| GregoryRasputin | Well England is Chav land | 23:08 |
| toresbe | England is "people-obsessing-about-chavs"-land. | 23:09 |
| toresbe | People growing up tend to do what's expected of them. When a nation completely demonizes its youth in the way that the Daily Mail folks do, then no wonder this is happening | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The whole 'pedo' thing has gotten poisonous. | 23:10 |
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| Livingroom | what pedo thing | 23:10 |
| * noobmonk3y waves! | 23:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's meant that well-meaning adults are generally very apprehensive with doing anything with children. | 23:10 |
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| toresbe | yeah, whatever's wrong with a little innocent fingering now and then?! | 23:11 |
| GregoryRasputin | O.o | 23:11 |
| Livingroom | toresbe, rot in hell | 23:11 |
| * RST38h look"s up "chavs | 23:11 | |
| * toresbe giggles | 23:11 | |
| toresbe | SpeedEvil: One Norwegian lawyer who himself was abused in his childhood made a rather good argument a while back that the people who do the greatest damage is society which attaches such gargantuan significance to it. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 23:12 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, is wa_maemo5stackablewindow dependent on pyqt 4.7.3-maemo5? | 23:12 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 23:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | 4.6 seems to work ok | 23:13 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: yet another evidence of so called western civilization going to hell | 23:13 |
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| toresbe | The physical damage is usually limited if there is any; the extent of the physical damage is defined by how bad society defines the crime to have been supposed to be | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | toresbe: The harm done one child is probably also outweighed lots by the lots damaged indirectly by adults not reacting properly to them | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | well, i think so as i'm not using 4.7 | 23:13 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, there is no 4.6.. | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | oh | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | erm | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | errrrrrr | 23:13 |
| Mece | pyqt :) | 23:13 |
| * noobmonk3y is thinking qt | 23:13 | |
| Mece | not qt | 23:13 |
| Mece | nod | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:13 |
| Mece | :D | 23:13 |
| * MohammadAG51 throws a banana at noobmonk3y, think! | 23:13 | |
| noobmonk3y | and the answer is, i dont have the foggiest! | 23:13 |
| b-man|laptop | xD | 23:14 |
| * noobmonk3y eats the bannana, and feels like the monkey on futurama | 23:14 | |
| noobmonk3y | (without the hat) | 23:14 |
| * SpeedEvil saw something on deprecation of QT on planet. | 23:14 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | Qt's shit tbh :) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Creating taboos that prevent normal social activities, such as kindergarten lady wiping her pupil's ass. | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | might switch the whole h-e-n app to GTK | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/council/notice_to_developers-the_old_libqt4-maemo5-prefixed_packages_have_officially_been_deprecated/ | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - that | 23:15 |
| Mece | ok.. i forgets to set (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) and is thinking that some peeps have qt installed from extras and is not working. | 23:15 |
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| RST38h | (and I have not even started on the whole "tolerance" thing yet :)) | 23:15 |
| b-man|laptop | MohammadAG51: one thing that drives me nutz about qt is that it's _all_ c++ | 23:15 |
| Mece | speedevil, shouldn't affect this though. | 23:15 |
| * b-man|laptop prefers c | 23:16 | |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man|laptop, yeah, pyQt segfaults | 23:16 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 23:16 |
| Mece | mohammadag51, when? | 23:16 |
| noobmonk3y | Mece, have to admit i struggle with understanding all the versions :| | 23:16 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, vote! https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-qt4/4.7.3-maemo5/ | 23:16 |
| Vanadis | hai | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | heya | 23:17 |
| Vanadis | i'll get my N900 back tomorrow | 23:17 |
| b-man|laptop | hey Vanadis | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo will looky Mece | 23:17 |
| Vanadis | -> Nokia replaced the killed USB-Port for free | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | Mece, voted and now on 10 :) | 23:18 |
| Mece | nice | 23:18 |
| noobmonk3y | cool Vanadis | 23:18 |
| * b-man|laptop wants a Pandora | 23:18 | |
| * Corsac wants a pony | 23:18 | |
| Mece | vanadis, I got mine fixed in three hours. for free. | 23:18 |
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| Vanadis | Mece, took them one week, reactivated my n95 | 23:19 |
| Mece | vanadis, I guess I was lucky :) | 23:20 |
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| Mece | question: when do libraries get updated? is it only if an app demands that version, or do they upgrade when installing an app that demands current but there is a newer version available? | 23:30 |
| Mece | ...when using HAM | 23:30 |
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| Macer | heh.. Mece .. maybe after using an "over the air" update that requires wiping the flash and using a cable to do it haha | 23:36 |
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| Mece | err...? | 23:37 |
| Macer | sorry. just taking a cheap shot at it bing called an ota update for 1.2 | 23:38 |
| Macer | i suppose in quantum physics the usb cable can be considered "air" | 23:39 |
| Mece | macer, ota update works perfectly fine unless you've been using unfinished software :P | 23:39 |
| Macer | uhm :) | 23:39 |
| Macer | all i know is that 1.2 required me using a usb cable.. i suppose i could have used flasher but meh | 23:40 |
| Macer | i expected it to get updated in app manager | 23:40 |
| Mece | macer, means you had some conflicting software. | 23:41 |
| Mece | i updated two n900's at work from ham. no problems. flashed my own though. | 23:41 |
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| Mece | anyway i was referring to libraries from extras, pyqt in this particular case. | 23:42 |
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| satmd | 1.2 ota worked better than previously | 23:48 |
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| Livingroom | anyone have any success with kismet on the N800? i cant get mine to work right | 23:50 |
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| luke-jr | Livingroom: Maemo doesn't like it | 23:51 |
| luke-jr | works fine with Gentoo | 23:51 |
| luke-jr | :p | 23:51 |
| Livingroom | wat | 23:51 |
| Livingroom | it'll run but cannot attach to wlan0 | 23:51 |
| Livingroom | there's got to be a better answer other than maemo doesnt like it. | 23:52 |
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| luke-jr | Livingroom: I used to have a script to kill the various Maemo parts that screw it up | 23:56 |
| Livingroom | any other wifi tools for n800? | 23:57 |
| vldcnst | Livingroom: still at it.. | 23:57 |
| Livingroom | yep | 23:57 |
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| Livingroom | i refuse to believe there's no wifi tools for this | 23:59 |
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