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| GAN900 | What was the name of the thread Eero wrote about the PR1.2 delays in | 00:03 |
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| GAN900 | ? | 00:03 |
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| pupnik | it is on mwkn GAN900 | 00:09 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, is it? | 00:15 |
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| * GAN900 always has to recheck the previous weeks' issues for dupes. | 00:15 | |
| tuliobaars | how can i put my Maemo Blog URL on maemo planet? | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | tuliobaars, talk to X-Fade. | 00:16 |
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| GAN900 | niels at maemo dot org | 00:16 |
| frals | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ | 00:16 |
| frals | tuliobaars didnt lcuk say that to you like 2hrs ago? :D | 00:16 |
| lcuk | 19:30 20:00 and now! | 00:18 |
| lcuk | hes been told the same thing by multiple people multiple times | 00:18 |
| pupnik | quick google found it GAN900 - need heklp? | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, nah, I can get it. | 00:22 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, pointing to why PR1.3 is unlikely to face PR1.2's delays. ;) | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | ohh | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | and wishing Jaffa weren't on vaction, the bastard. | 00:24 |
| jaska | on chulak? | 00:25 |
| MOUD | is there going to be a PR 1.3? | 00:26 |
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| GAN900 | What's up with twitter | 00:27 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | MOUD, as far as I know | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | and supposedly more after | 00:27 |
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| GAN900 | We shall see, though, I suppose. | 00:27 |
| MOUD | nice | 00:27 |
| MOUD | trem, gn | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | anidel says he posted some to mwkn, but I can't find them for the life of me. | 00:27 |
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| frals | ~curse users | 00:47 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | frals, users arent that bad | 00:47 |
| frals | well, there are good days and bad days, today is a bad one :P | 00:48 |
| lcuk | :( | 00:48 |
| frals | im impressed how they found my email without reading any other instruction thou, they deserve cudos for that | 00:49 |
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| * lcuk offers you some well cooked trout | 00:49 | |
| frals | :D | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Could be worse. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | They could be turning up at your door. | 00:50 |
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| frals | GAN900, if you have got problems filling MWKN feel free to add a note about http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/ and me needing help translating ;-) | 00:50 |
| frals | lol SpeedEvil | 00:50 |
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| MohammadAG | haha, /me | 00:50 |
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| astruasdh | I read that nokia will adopt meebo for its next cellphones... does maemo will be discontinued? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego. | 00:52 |
| pupnik | bleebmo | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: correct | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it's been stated repeatedly I think that symbian has a future. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | But yes - maemo is not being on any more phones. | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo won't be discontinued | 00:52 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: in the mid-range? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been implied that n900 will carry on maemo development officially | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | but it won't be discontinued | 00:52 |
| cure` | loool when i load up duke nukem 3d through dosbox (ye i know), my phone crashes | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | well - for maybe a year - till it dies. | 00:53 |
| astruasdh | haah fuck, i've just bought my n900! hehe | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | Well the next release is going to be more of a halfway step between Maemo and MeeGo, and then next one will have evolved fully into MeeGo | 00:53 |
| SwedeMike | we're two people here that after upgrading to PR1.2 has had problems with contacts not being matched when someone is calling, seems to be (in our case) a +46 and 0 prefix problem. Is this a known problem? | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: yeah, I was tricked into a N810 :( | 00:53 |
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| astruasdh | n900 is a very powerful hardware... maybe it will be possible to port meego into it | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | it is, and the team was already assigned | 00:54 |
| * MohammadAG slaps Stskeeps with a not-so-CTCP-ish ping | 00:55 | |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: N900 is not so powerful compared to 2010 devices | 00:55 |
| * SpeedEvil wants his HAL 9000. | 00:55 | |
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| SwedeMike | but I guess nokia liked to screw their existing customers so I guess they'll EoL N900 soon and just abandon it, so community will have to support it. | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | SwedeMike: that's how it went with N810 at least | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | I've seen no reason to expect otherwise | 00:56 |
| * FredrIQ *** ok, sorry guys, that ame passed through too much things (multinetwork, +T...) | 00:56 | |
| astruasdh | luke-jr, like what device? | 00:56 |
| * ShadowJK uses his n800 and n810 daily still :D | 00:56 | |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: Nexus One, if you don't mind a missing keyboard | 00:57 |
| astruasdh | yeah, ok... I agree... n900 has a 600 mhz cpu, and iphone htc hd2 has a 1000mhz | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: 1 GHz + 512 MB RAM | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | though the clock speeds aren't comparable :/ | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | the next generation will have dual core 1 to 1.5 GHz | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone 3GS has an underclocked 800MHz ARM | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: why not? they're both ARM | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about the 4G one | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, yeah but they're different cpus | 00:57 |
| astruasdh | wow | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: what exactly is "iphone htc hd2"? | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | HTC is not Apple | 00:58 |
| astruasdh | I bought n900 because the keyboard and the linux-based os | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | he doesn't use commas | 00:58 |
| pupnik | astruasdh: good reasons | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 00:58 |
| astruasdh | luke-jr, it was a typo... htc hd2 | 00:58 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: too bad it doesn't run real Linux (yet?) | 00:58 |
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| astruasdh | hmmm the cpu is arm, and there is support by the kernel for arm archs | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: a computer is more than a CPU | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | luke means that the kernel.org kernel is missing too many things to be useful on n900 | 00:59 |
| astruasdh | but for port the os, the cpu is the most difficult parameter | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | someone should make a N900 version of http://elinux.org/N800#Status | 01:00 |
| astruasdh | if there is kernel support and glibc support, it may be possible to port all os | 01:00 |
| astruasdh | hmmm | 01:00 |
| astruasdh | ya, agree | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | astruasdh: no, CPU tends to be documented | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | other hardware we have to beg for specs and problably end up having to reverse engineer | 01:01 |
| pupnik | astruasdh: no other os will be more fun than maemo5 on n900 - i think | 01:01 |
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| Mace_N900 | hm | 01:01 |
| Mace_N900 | whats up with devel? | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | weekend breakdown? | 01:02 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 01:03 |
| Mace_N900 | 404 not found | 01:03 |
| Mace_N900 | :( | 01:03 |
| cure` | how the hell is it possible for dosbox to crash the os? | 01:03 |
| cure` | :( | 01:03 |
| Mace_N900 | is there a new address for devel? | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | just kill it | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | no | 01:03 |
| astruasdh | luke-jr, http://techie-buzz.com/tips-and-tricks/run-debian-on-n900.html | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | easy debian? | 01:04 |
| Mace_N900 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 01:04 |
| Mace_N900 | is that right? | 01:04 |
| pupnik | cure`: try again | 01:04 |
| astruasdh | no, real debian | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | wohooo | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 01:04 |
| astruasdh | hmmm | 01:04 |
| pupnik | i suspect it was something else | 01:05 |
| cure` | i did 3 times | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | multiple music widgets | 01:05 |
| cure` | bingo 3 times | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | on my desktop :D | 01:05 |
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| astruasdh | easy debian? I read it at my n900, but I dont know what is it | 01:05 |
| astruasdh | no idea | 01:05 |
| Mace_N900 | is there no fremantle 1.2 devel? | 01:06 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 01:06 |
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| GAN900 | frals, added. | 01:06 |
| mindfaq | it is a full-blown debian installation inside a chroot jail on your n900 | 01:06 |
| * Arkenoi thinks about downgrading back to 1.1.1, but i am afraid too many packages are broken with it | 01:06 | |
| * MohammadAG has Fedora installed | 01:06 | |
| MohammadAG | with Ubuntu coming up | 01:06 |
| pigeon | man... when is the new ovi store coming out... | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | soon :) | 01:07 |
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| frals | GAN900: cheers :) | 01:07 |
| pigeon | MohammadAG: how soon? ;) | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | idk | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | could be PR1.2 soon :) | 01:07 |
| pigeon | hahahaha | 01:08 |
| * MohammadAG sniggers | 01:08 | |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 01:08 |
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| pigeon | isn't it supposed to be out last thurs or something? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:08 |
| astruasdh | hmmm nice | 01:08 |
| Mace_N900 | :( | 01:09 |
| Mace_N900 | dev is down | 01:09 |
| midas_ | MohammadAG: pr1.2 soon, that would be, eh nice :P | 01:09 |
| Mace_N900 | and i want ioquake | 01:09 |
| mindfaq | this way you can install all those applications available in the debian repos without screwing with your main maemo os, astruasdh | 01:10 |
| midas_ | i cant seem to get my browser to work in port. mode... | 01:10 |
| midas_ | ctrl + shift + o didnt work | 01:10 |
| FIQ | pr1.3 is coming this year | 01:10 |
| pigeon | midas_: there's now a setting for it in the settings | 01:11 |
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| FIQ | that didn't work for me in pr1.1.1 and under eihter btw | 01:11 |
| astruasdh | mindfaq, but I will see the debian's gnome screen instead of the maemo one? or the chroot is just to run debian apps over the maemo x? | 01:11 |
| FIQ | astruasdh, your choice | 01:11 |
| pigeon | midas_: Options -> Settings in fact | 01:11 |
| FIQ | you can use from LXDE | 01:11 |
| FIQ | and from maemo x | 01:11 |
| midas_ | pigeon: settings in the browser or settings for the phone? | 01:12 |
| astruasdh | FIQ, wow!!! that is nice! | 01:12 |
| Arkenoi | barriosquare still broken | 01:12 |
| midas_ | nevermind :P | 01:12 |
| FIQ | it is | 01:12 |
| midas_ | much better | 01:13 |
| midas_ | now just to find the skype video phone mode :) | 01:13 |
| Arkenoi | python2.5-qt4-gui | 01:13 |
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| astruasdh | with easy debian, the debian will be mixed with the maemo os, or it will be handled separately? | 01:14 |
| FIQ | i suck at keeping XChat open longer than 2 minutes | 01:14 |
| pigeon | does anyone use the "healthcheck" app? it doesn't seem to run anyone... some missing symbol problem with a python module. | 01:14 |
| mindfaq | it will be a seperate directory | 01:14 |
| mindfaq | in the filesystem | 01:14 |
| FIQ | i always misclick "exit" | 01:14 |
| FIQ | :( | 01:14 |
| FIQ | it's an image | 01:15 |
| mindfaq | yeah | 01:15 |
| FIQ | the biggest part is the installation is the extract of that | 01:15 |
| mindfaq | mounted through a loop device | 01:15 |
| FIQ | made my phone lag very much | 01:15 |
| FIQ | but after that, debian was installed and worked flawlessy | 01:15 |
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| astruasdh | wow, got it! easy debian will mount -o a debian image! that is nice! I have much work for the hollyday | 01:16 |
| mindfaq | because nokia people thought it's smart to make a ~27 GiB fat partition ;) | 01:16 |
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| FIQ | mindfaq, that's why you should resize it | 01:16 |
| FIQ | i would, if i knew how | 01:17 |
| FIQ | and let other things use that random überspace throwed away just for media | 01:17 |
| mindfaq | there is a page on the wiki | 01:17 |
| mindfaq | it's not that simple | 01:17 |
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| FIQ | meh | 01:18 |
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| mc_teo | Wizzup: :) | 01:18 |
| Wizzup | wat | 01:18 |
| mindfaq | iirc /etc/fstab gets overwritten on each boot or something like that | 01:18 |
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| mindfaq | and some problem with the camera | 01:19 |
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| FIQ | mindfaq, why would the camera complain | 01:20 |
| FIQ | you keep the partition | 01:20 |
| FIQ | but you shrink it | 01:20 |
| FIQ | couldn't be that hard | 01:21 |
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| FIQ | the problem is that the partition must be unmounted for that to work though | 01:21 |
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| mindfaq | it is possible but there are some caveats | 01:21 |
| FIQ | iirc | 01:21 |
| Mace_N900 | grrrr | 01:22 |
| Mace_N900 | wtf | 01:22 |
| Mace_N900 | is wrong with devel? | 01:22 |
| Mace_N900 | :( | 01:22 |
| FIQ | HM | 01:22 |
| FIQ | DUNNO | 01:22 |
| FIQ | eh | 01:22 |
| FIQ | -caps | 01:22 |
| astruasdh | in the last update, the maemo's skype has now a webcam support? | 01:22 |
| thunderfest | any sdl + gles wizards around? | 01:22 |
| mc_teo | astruasdh: seemingly | 01:23 |
| pupnik | Pringles have less than 50% potato content. | 01:23 |
| mc_teo | i havent seen it yet though | 01:23 |
| Mace_N900 | astruasdh, thats the rumor | 01:23 |
| Mace_N900 | i know google vid works | 01:23 |
| mindfaq | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 01:23 |
| Mace_N900 | and now contacts have a video chat button | 01:24 |
| astruasdh | hmmm ty | 01:24 |
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| Mace_N900 | i am just mad devel is down | 01:24 |
| FIQ | how come sdl-libs is almost completly missing on maemo repos? | 01:24 |
| astruasdh | can I install an official Debian, generate an Image, and use it with easy debian instead of that default image? | 01:24 |
| Mace_N900 | :( | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | yes, but I doubt it's trivial | 01:25 |
| FIQ | astruasdh, that should work | 01:25 |
| midas_ | Mace_N900: videochat? i dont see that tho? | 01:25 |
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| MohammadAG | make sure it's using ARM as an arch though | 01:25 |
| thunderfest | FIQ most of the sdl libs are in extras-testing and extras-devel | 01:25 |
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| astruasdh | nice :) | 01:25 |
| * GAN900 is at 13 stories. | 01:25 | |
| midas_ | maybe it's my contacts tho | 01:25 |
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| Mace_N900 | what is wrong with the image it comes with? | 01:26 |
| mindfaq | lenny is becoming old ;) | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | just remove what you dont want with apt | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | no dist-update? | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | i wish someone would make an opensolaris based maemo | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | that would be quite slow | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | liar! | 01:27 |
| midas_ | ah finally got it working :+ | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | oh.. you mean the dist update. | 01:27 |
| mindfaq | no, he means slowlaris xD | 01:27 |
| midas_ | Mace_N900: and used zfs for the storage? :) | 01:28 |
| FIQ | libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable or | 01:28 |
| FIQ | ok | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | opensolaris is bryond great | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | midas, yes | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | raidz | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 01:28 |
| mindfaq | i like it, too | 01:28 |
| midas_ | hehe :p | 01:28 |
| midas_ | i had 22TB on the n900 :) | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | it is the best thing i have ever used as a server | 01:28 |
| astruasdh | nothing against the image that comes with easy debian, because I dont know that: that is why it should be better to use an official image | 01:28 |
| midas_ | time for bed | 01:29 |
| midas_ | nn yall | 01:29 |
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| Mace_N900 | 22TB hehe | 01:29 |
| Mace_N900 | i would set up a raid0 with the onboard and a 32G sd | 01:29 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 01:29 |
| mindfaq | astruasdh: maybe check the easy chroot package | 01:30 |
| midas_ | haha Mace_N900 :P | 01:30 |
| midas_ | that would be cool | 01:30 |
| astruasdh | how long your n900 batery takes to become empty? | 01:30 |
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| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:30 |
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| MohammadAG | well | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | 2-8 on average | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | a long time | 01:30 |
| FIQ | hm | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | it lasted 26h max | 01:31 |
| FIQ | question: | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | i have constantly used mine and it kills my older G1 | 01:31 |
| FIQ | i have -devel but not -testing | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | the g1 would last an hour | 01:31 |
| mc_teo | has anyone noticed a real drain in battery power since pr1.2? | 01:31 |
| FIQ | will -testing be useless with -devel? | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 01:31 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | fiq, does devel work for you? | 01:31 |
| mindfaq | not necessarily, FIQ | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | good point lol | 01:31 |
| FIQ | mace_N900, i can check | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | Well | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | the repo isnt working for me :( | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | all -testing stuff is from -devel | 01:32 |
| asj | mc_teo: just the oposite | 01:32 |
| mindfaq | if someone submitted his package to testing but has no newer version in devel, you won't get that package | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | I don't see a reason why you just have both | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | you can't submit to testing directly | 01:32 |
| thunderfest | mc_teo: battery performance fells improved since pr1.2 to me | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | OK, I think it's done unless anybody else has some really compelling content. | 01:32 |
| astruasdh | I keep bluetooth powered off, and dont use 3g so much.. so mine lasts 2 days +-... but with no hard working, just using as a normal cellphone | 01:32 |
| FIQ | hmm | 01:32 |
| FIQ | well | 01:33 |
| FIQ | that's what i though | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | ttyl | 01:33 |
| FIQ | and that's why i never added that repo | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | speaking of battery :) | 01:33 |
| mc_teo | so if switch off 3G ill get better battery life? | 01:33 |
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| mindfaq | stuff that's submitted to testing is kept in devel, MohammadAG? | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 01:33 |
| mindfaq | ok | 01:33 |
| FIQ | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) | 01:33 |
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| MohammadAG | and extras app are in all 3 repos | 01:33 |
| FIQ | is the only error (warning) i get | 01:34 |
| FIQ | -devel seems to work fine | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | assuming there's no newer version | 01:34 |
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| mindfaq | ah, didn't know that | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ, you have 2 repos duped | 01:34 |
| pupnik | n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop | 01:34 |
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| MohammadAG | it did that for a week here | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | and its battery lasts more than the lappy | 01:35 |
| FIQ | <pupnik> n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop | 01:35 |
| mc_teo | and is flash going to be updated soon? | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | (about 5 mins) | 01:35 |
| FIQ | mine too | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | my lappy's battery is borked i guess | 01:35 |
| FIQ | except the fact that i prefer sitting with desktop keyb and screen | 01:35 |
| pupnik | that should be an advertisement, FIQ | 01:35 |
| FIQ | yeah | 01:35 |
| midas_ | FIQ: i have a media keyboard for that ;) | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ, keyboard + TV out | 01:36 |
| midas_ | bluetooth and all :) | 01:36 |
| FIQ | Heh | 01:36 |
| astruasdh | I will remove MyDocs' fat partition to create a 27g ext3. is there some problem doing this? | 01:36 |
| FIQ | you can use N900 as an old gaming console, a computer and a phone and more things | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | and hey, if hostmode works soon you could use a display adapter, a keyboard and a mouse | 01:36 |
| FIQ | = instant win | 01:36 |
| midas_ | indeed | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | and if you want to conquer the world, get a USB tactical nuke | 01:37 |
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| smoku | astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs | 01:37 |
| FIQ | ("old gaming console" = tv-out, an good emulator and a SIXAXIS) | 01:37 |
| midas_ | only dont buy one with a usb 3.0 interface, it might not work properly | 01:37 |
| midas_ | the tactical nuke that is | 01:38 |
| pupnik | i have seen usb feetwarmer | 01:38 |
| mindfaq | with 500 mA? | 01:39 |
| mindfaq | nice | 01:39 |
| astruasdh | smoku, hmmm bad news :( ah, no problem... that approach to swap the mydocs and /home should work fine | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, why not | 01:39 |
| FIQ | you even can use your N900 to watch tv, video, radio, texttv, and (wall of things, both useless and useful) | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | <smoku> astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | any idea why? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | someone posted why on tmo | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | not sure where | 01:40 |
| astruasdh | FIQ, watch tv??? how? | 01:40 |
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| FIQ | shame that devs just don't get the fact that N900 can do more than iPhone. :( | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | the browser doesn't save to my ext3 card | 01:40 |
| FIQ | astruasdh: web-tv | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: It's a (closed) bug | 01:40 |
| astruasdh | ahhh ya | 01:40 |
| LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, closed as... WONTFIX? | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | no - fixed | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | or use a digital TV receiver, WHEN hostmode works :) | 01:40 |
| mindfaq | Maemo hardcodes the MyDocs partition as /dev/mmcblk0p1 in several applications <- taken from maemo wiki | 01:40 |
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| LiraNuna | so it's fixed in PR1.2? | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.1.1 I think | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | mindfaq, that shouldn't matter | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | the node stays the same | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I left mydocs as VFAT, shrunk it | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | even if you change the fs type | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | and made a new data partition with 25G | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | but it has -t vfat (or w/e it uses) hard coded | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, oh, so why isn't MyDocs ext3? | 01:41 |
| astruasdh | ah, so i can safely remove my vfat partition to use just ext3... ? | 01:41 |
| Mace_N900 | how is koffice coming along? | 01:41 |
| Mace_N900 | would love to see a maemo koffice already | 01:42 |
| mindfaq | LiraNuna: some nokia guy explained it on some mailing list | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, mount it in /media/data and you should see it when downloading/using hildon-m | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | fm* | 01:42 |
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| LiraNuna | I'm not fond of using FAT on my data directory | 01:42 |
| mindfaq | LiraNuna: you can't sell a device which is not accessable from the average windows computer | 01:42 |
| astruasdh | a linux-based cellphone os with 27g fat sounds kind of fun | 01:42 |
| LiraNuna | sure, but can't do it myself? | 01:42 |
| LiraNuna | *can't I | 01:42 |
| FIQ | well | 01:43 |
| FIQ | at least, it really should be easier to do | 01:43 |
| FIQ | change the fs i mean | 01:43 |
| mindfaq | again: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 01:43 |
| astruasdh | LiraNuna, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash here there are some tips about repartitioning... but I'm with you: I'll remove my fat | 01:43 |
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| LiraNuna | astruasdh, with exercise and proper diet? | 01:44 |
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| astruasdh | haha | 01:46 |
| * SpeedEvil loves the n900 diet. | 01:46 | |
| SpeedEvil | (buy n900, be unable to afford food) | 01:46 |
| pronto | n900>food | 01:46 |
| astruasdh | I'm with my n900 not more than 1 week, so I have no data to care... and I really don't wanna use n900 as a usb flash | 01:47 |
| cure` | i dumped tons of mp3's and vids on it straight away lol | 01:47 |
| astruasdh | heya guys... have to go... thank u very much for the tips, cya! | 01:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | More seriously - I promised myself I'd partially subsidise my n900 with food savings. | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Now 20Kg down. Woo! | 01:47 |
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| cure` | and quake1 through 3 | 01:48 |
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| astruasdh | haha | 01:48 |
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| FIQ | hm | 01:51 |
| FIQ | btw | 01:51 |
| FIQ | 27+2=29 | 01:51 |
| FIQ | what's up with the missing 3GB? | 01:52 |
| FIQ | or do i fail? | 01:52 |
| mindfaq | GiB != GB | 01:52 |
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| FIQ | i know | 01:52 |
| FIQ | but still | 01:52 |
| FIQ | too much missing | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | that's how much my N97 had | 01:53 |
| FIQ | ok | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | 768 for swap | 01:53 |
| mindfaq | ah yeah | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | you forgot that | 01:53 |
| FIQ | isn't swap on NAND? | 01:53 |
| mindfaq | nope | 01:53 |
| FIQ | ok | 01:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find a way to list absolutely all products not aggregated together in a list. I want to submit a bug for hildon-desktop | 01:54 |
| FIQ | though NAND were 1GB | 01:54 |
| FIQ | but ok | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | no - swap is on the emmc | 01:54 |
| mindfaq | samsung oneNAND isn't available in high capacities | 01:54 |
| mindfaq | iirc they just announced 512 MiB chips | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | if swap had its own NAND it would technically be RAM... | 01:55 |
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| FIQ | lol | 01:56 |
| FIQ | ok, fine | 01:56 |
| FIQ | :p | 01:56 |
| * FIQ is tired | 01:56 | |
| MohammadAG | Mon May 31 01:56:48 IDT 2010 | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | think of a better excuse :P | 01:56 |
| FIQ | 00:56 gmt+2 here | 01:57 |
| FIQ | or well, gmt+1 and summertime | 01:57 |
| FIQ | dunno whatever it's called | 01:57 |
| FIQ | dst/utc/whatever | 01:57 |
| mindfaq | here too | 01:57 |
| mindfaq | daylight saving time? ;) | 01:58 |
| FIQ | guess so | 01:59 |
| FIQ | brb | 01:59 |
| mindfaq | cet | 01:59 |
| mindfaq | + dst | 01:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: bugzilla's query.cgi has a list :) | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | view-source:bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | only problem is that it looks like hildon-desktop is 'diablo-community-updates' | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438 | 02:19 |
| povbot` | Bug 10438: Hildon-desktop segfaults if | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | did I eventially find the right place? | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I seemed to have suffered a minor oops with that. | 02:20 |
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| pupnik | ping | 03:12 |
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| asj | no one's here, go away | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | ty | 03:18 |
| asj | yw | 03:19 |
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| goodwill | what confuses me about the scratchbox is that by default it has no software | 03:32 |
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| goodwill | you'd think it would look like a stock n900 image + sdk | 03:34 |
| pupnik | no | 03:35 |
| pupnik | because you arent meant to play with the damn sdk like a n900 user | 03:35 |
| pupnik | get to work | 03:36 |
| goodwill | *blinks* | 03:36 |
| goodwill | yes sit | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | The SDK is not supposed to be an emulator. | 03:36 |
| goodwill | sir | 03:36 |
| goodwill | well I need to install some of the stock apps so I can test the functionality | 03:37 |
| asj | goodwill: beyond simple games most applications that use phone resources wouldn't work since there's no phone function emulator | 03:37 |
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| goodwill | asj: I do not even need a phone for developing my application | 03:38 |
| goodwill | there is a disconnect ... on the device itself there is not enough space on rootfs to do dev ... -dev packages and the rests start maxing it out | 03:39 |
| goodwill | and sdk lacks emulation | 03:39 |
| goodwill | I am running between the two back and forth | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | Well moving new binary to phone is a oneliner you can make an alias for | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | that's what my workflow has always been: edit, compile, transfer | 03:41 |
| goodwill | yeah ... me too | 03:41 |
| asj | goodwill: why do you need -dev on the phone? You can debug without -dev... | 03:41 |
| goodwill | I just want 1 dev environment | 03:41 |
| goodwill | not 2 | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | and transfer is fastest step really :-) | 03:41 |
| goodwill | ShadowJK: yeah I got ssh keys and aliases for that too | 03:41 |
| pupnik | transfer to device | 03:41 |
| asj | goodwill: you don't need 2, this is embedded dev without an emulator... | 03:41 |
| pupnik | and s t f u | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | well 1 environment is easy, remove the ability of sdk to execute arm binaries, and don't install -dev packages on n900 :D | 03:42 |
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| goodwill | pupnik: I see Mr. Polite is not in town today | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | then you have pure crosscompiling and only run binaries in one environment :D | 03:42 |
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| goodwill | ShadowJK: except now I need to install a bunch of apps in the sdk | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | what apps? | 03:43 |
| goodwill | ShadowJK: I am working on a calendar widget | 03:43 |
| asj | I've never really had good luck with emulators, no matter how good they are. Either they are horrible, see symbian, or they don't emulate the environment the device is in and I can't test anything since there's no surrounding environment | 03:43 |
| goodwill | I need calendar in the sdk to check things | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | i wish i could sympathize | 03:44 |
| pupnik | test on device please | 03:44 |
| asj | and the phone has a pretty darn good debug environment for an embdded device. stdout/stderr work great, and I think you can even use gdb no? | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | for me sdk is that vm image I ssh into to compile things.. | 03:47 |
| ShadowJK | I don't even use any of the things that needs X/xephyr.. | 03:47 |
| asj | while of course sshing into the phone and working on the UI at the same time | 03:47 |
| goodwill | I'd like to be able to run the calendar UI in the SDK | 03:49 |
| goodwill | just so I can test things | 03:49 |
| goodwill | I can not get it installed as it seems SDK does not support https | 03:49 |
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| pupnik | yaay for /ignorw | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:50 |
| asj | goodwill: I'de like many things that I don't get to have :) | 03:51 |
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| goodwill | really helpful attitude | 03:53 |
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| thunderfest | goodwill whats the problem with just testing on the device? just compile, transfer, test thats how all of us do it. | 03:56 |
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| thunderfest | Its only 1 command different than if you were testing in the sdk | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | fun = log(time) | 04:01 |
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| goodwill | thunderfest: thats what I have been doing and it is rather annoying ... but thats just me | 04:02 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:06 |
| LiraNuna | good evening | 04:06 |
| pupnik | ~pms | 04:08 |
| infobot | They Call it PMS because mad-cow disease was already taken | 04:08 |
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| LiraNuna | ^ lol | 04:09 |
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| pupnik | just cleaned my microwave oven. now i may be safe from GWB | 04:13 |
| thunderfest | goodwill: this is just a suggestion but you could add a line to your makefile or whatever you use to do all the copying for you...thats what I do | 04:13 |
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| csc` | is it possible to use the nokia n800 as a bluetooth headset? | 04:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | anything is possible, some things just take longer :) | 04:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp doesn't think that's a supported out of the box configuration | 04:21 | |
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| csc` | hrm | 04:21 |
| csc` | any clues where i might go to obtain information on pairing it with a cell phone as a headset? | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | bluez is the standard linux bluetooth stack | 04:22 |
| csc` | ..i know what bluez is | 04:23 |
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| tgalal | I want to detect sliding finger from right (like in microb). Do I have to implement the detection manually or is there some event fired when this happens??? | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | well…. you'd need to convince bluez to make your n800 act as a headset | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | tgalal: we do it manually | 04:26 |
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| tgalal | timeless_mbp, oh ok. is there and example or some code that does this that I could follow | 04:27 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 04:27 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, early morning or late night? :P | 04:27 |
| timeless_mbp | late night | 04:27 |
| csc` | timeless_mbp, whatever happened to the mozilla repository? | 04:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i just refactored a script which failed for a while | 04:27 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: which one? | 04:27 |
| csc` | timeless_mbp, for the nokia tablets | 04:28 |
| GAN900 | csc`, Fennec? | 04:28 |
| timeless_mbp | which one? | 04:28 |
| GAN900 | Pressumably they moved to Ovi | 04:28 |
| GAN900 | Well, Firefox Mobile | 04:28 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckle | 04:28 | |
| GAN900 | (which is a stupid name) | 04:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly the skyfire folks stopped hosting skyfire for nokia phones | 04:28 |
| csc` | i have a n800, i was curious if firefox was actually a usable solution on the n800 as apposed to the microbrowser | 04:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you now need an ovi account | 04:28 |
| csc` | skyfire? | 04:29 |
| GAN900 | Ovi Store: Where the Pros go when their packaging sucks! | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: in this case, it was for symbian... | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless 17621 4.0 91.5 2470076 1594204 pts/1 D May17 808:49 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/meego.com/BUILD/ | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | gan: that line has been making me sad for a while :( | 04:29 |
| csc` | timeless_mbp, curious, whats skyfire? | 04:30 |
| * GAN900 hopes the Handset UX gets a native UI for Fennec. | 04:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: skyfire:firefox::opera mini::opera | 04:30 |
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| GAN900 | OK, last call for mwkn.net stories I missed. | 04:30 |
| csc` | timeless_mbp, ovi im guessing has replaced skyfire? | 04:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | csc`: no | 04:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | skyfire the company stopped hosting its own binaries | 04:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and now relies on ovi to distribute them | 04:31 |
| csc` | :< | 04:31 |
| timeless_mbp | but since i refuse to get an ovi account, it meant that i couldn't install skyfire for a friend's n97 | 04:31 |
| timeless_mbp | so i installed opera instead... | 04:31 |
| csc` | is skyfire worth it the download or should i just stick with micro | 04:31 |
| timeless_mbp | skyfire isn't available for linux afaik | 04:31 |
| timeless_mbp | (android ne linux) | 04:32 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, why do you refuse to get an Ovi Account? | 04:32 |
| csc` | bleh | 04:32 |
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| csc` | so firefox doesnt exist on the nokia tablets anymore, right? | 04:32 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: err | 04:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: because there's a board in the company cafeteria which will remember me for 6 months from my first use of it | 04:32 |
| csc` | you're confusing the hell out of me | 04:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | csc`: not everything i say is addressed to you! | 04:33 |
| GAN900 | csc`, Fennec is available for N8x0 still | 04:33 |
| GAN900 | csc`, I dunno where the debs are | 04:33 |
| GAN900 | csc`, but presumably the site should tell you. | 04:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/release/binary-armel/ | 04:33 |
| timeless_mbp | is old stuff | 04:33 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 04:33 | |
| csc` | i know all of it wasnt addressed to me | 04:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mobile-trunk/ has .deb's | 04:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | dunno if they work on maemo4 | 04:34 |
| csc` | i was asking if firefox is still updated on the n800 platform | 04:34 |
| csc` | which in turn led me to watch the conversation | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | your original question didn't mention firefox | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it mentioned mozilla | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | which is incredibly ambiguous | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (it could mean seamonkey, firefox, firefox for mobile [fennec], microb, skyfire [Not Available, but…], ...) | 04:36 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, given the channel context and the use of the word "repository" I think we can safely assume he's afterf Fennec. ;) | 04:37 |
| csc` | microb is gecko? | 04:37 |
| csc` | :< | 04:37 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: i read 'repository' as 'source repository' | 04:37 |
| GAN900 | csc`, really, really old Gecko. | 04:37 |
| timeless_mbp | before i read it as 'binary repository' | 04:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so i assumed he was asking where the sources were for the microb which has the screen detection stuff | 04:37 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, developer bias. :P | 04:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it was a perfectly reasonable conclusion | 04:37 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: developer question initiated context | 04:38 |
| csc` | :( | 04:38 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 04:38 |
| timeless_mbp | don't ask like a dev if you want to be treated as a user! | 04:38 |
| csc` | GAN900, why not something more resource efficient like webkit :< | 04:38 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: why would you ask him? | 04:38 |
| timeless_mbp | kinda stupid... | 04:38 |
| GAN900 | csc`, 'cause WebKit didn't fit the bill in 2006 | 04:38 |
| * timeless_mbp works for nokia | 04:38 | |
| csc` | rhetorical opinion question | 04:38 |
| * timeless_mbp works on microb | 04:38 | |
| timeless_mbp | don't ask those! | 04:39 |
| timeless_mbp | webkit wasn't actually an interesting browser in 2006 | 04:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and in reality, it isn't a good choice for nokia | 04:39 |
| GAN900 | csc`, http://firefox.com/m | 04:39 |
| timeless_mbp | look at how well it's served their symbian customers | 04:39 |
| csc` | but itos08 exists, thats two years of work | 04:39 |
| timeless_mbp | (it hasn't) | 04:39 |
| GAN900 | csc`, they claim N810 is supported | 04:39 |
| GAN900 | csc`, think it'll work | 04:39 |
| GAN900 | csc`, might also try Tear | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a great article about 'webkit' | 04:40 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: how does it feel to be exoert in so many factors that nobody else will understand | 04:40 |
| GAN900 | csc`, MicroB came out late Summer 2007 | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.quirksmode.org/webkit.html | 04:40 |
| csc` | timeless, all i know is that i have memory applets and everytime a browser opens, it drops all the resources down to about 5mb | 04:40 |
| csc` | and eventually, it stops loading images | 04:40 |
| timeless_mbp | > And remember: | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | > There is no “WebKit on mobile!” | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | > So far I’ve tested 10 different mobile WebKits, and they are all slightly different. You can find the details below. | 04:41 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: um | 04:41 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to care | 04:41 | |
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| timeless_mbp | any web browser will take at least 4mb of ram | 04:42 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, two bugs behind you. | 04:42 |
| * GAN900 needs to file the rest of his PR1.2 bugs | 04:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: ? | 04:42 |
| csc` | lol, it eats over 100mb of ram, timeless_mbp | 04:42 |
| GAN900 | 96 vs 94 filed | 04:42 |
| GAN900 | Hrm, that sounds wrong | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: oh | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i should probably file some more | 04:43 |
| GAN900 | 244 bugs filed. | 04:43 |
| timeless_mbp | browserd is using 35mb here | 04:43 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 windows | 04:43 |
| * csc` shrugs | 04:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | so if you're using 100mb, you're doing 'something else | 04:43 |
| GAN900 | Not sure what the karma algorithm is now | 04:43 |
| csc` | normal browsing, timeless | 04:43 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: it's basically "eat my count" | 04:43 |
| * GAN900 just knows bergie hates bug reporters. | 04:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: are you using an n8x0 or an n900? | 04:44 |
| * SpeedEvil notes that RSS is a lie. | 04:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | because if you're using an n8x0, i don't want to hear anything from you | 04:44 |
| csc` | n800 | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, go sit in a corner | 04:44 |
| csc` | yeah, thought so | 04:44 |
| GAN900 | 256 bugs | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ works ok on n900 | 04:44 |
| GAN900 | So, 12 bugs behind. | 04:44 |
| csc` | timeless, not my fault nokia wants to ditch their products | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: it isn't fair to complain about bugs in an out of date program | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: not mine either | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're free to complain to nokia care | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll give you the phone number if you're too lazy to look it up | 04:45 |
| GAN900 | csc`, did you check the link I provided yet? | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: it isn't fair to compare a new version of a program against an ancient version of a program | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't compare gecko1.9.3+ against safari1.0 | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and please don't bite the engineer who talks to you | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's poor form, and a terrible idea | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | especially if he's been up since yesterday and it's nearly 5am and he skipped dinner | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | he might bite back. | 04:46 |
| jacekowski | microb is ancient by design | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | (you aren't kosher, but that doesn't preclude biting) | 04:46 |
| jacekowski | opera FTW | 04:46 |
| GAN900 | csc`, good news is that N8x0 may have MeeGo sometime this year. | 04:46 |
| * csc` shudders | 04:47 | |
| jacekowski | i thought that nokia denied these rumours | 04:47 |
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| GAN900 | jacekowski, not a rumor | 04:47 |
| csc` | timeless_mbp, dont presume im a psychic, its bad form and generally considered crazy thoughts ;P | 04:47 |
| GAN900 | Community-supported | 04:47 |
| jacekowski | and they said that there will be no meego for old devices | 04:47 |
| GAN900 | Officially supported MeeGo/Harmattan | 04:47 |
| * GAN900 stabs Nokia for endlessly confusing branding. | 04:47 | |
| jacekowski | what about n900? | 04:47 |
| GAN900 | No official support because they're cheap, short-sighted bastards | 04:48 |
| GAN900 | But community support should be easy | 04:48 |
| csc` | meh | 04:48 |
| csc` | if only itos08 was community run | 04:48 |
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| GAN900 | Diablo's got a community SSU | 04:49 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: well, i don't believe in any decent community support | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, ok then. | 04:50 |
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| csc` | GAN900, link? | 04:50 |
| GAN900 | csc`, somewhere on talk.maemo.org | 04:50 |
| GAN900 | I don't have it handy. | 04:50 |
| GAN900 | csc`, think it's a sticky in the Diablo forum | 04:51 |
| GAN900 | csc`, and, by the way, it's Maemo 4. ITOS isn't a think anymore. :P | 04:51 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, Nokia has a team doing the hardware layer. | 04:51 |
| GAN900 | So, meh. | 04:51 |
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| rodald | hello from Guatemala | 04:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | unlink is a bad idea while debugging | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | If the files are not closed - they exist still in /proc | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | they were closed and the process quit | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i only realized it afterwards | 05:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it's 5am | 05:00 |
| timeless_mbp | a bit late to be thinking clearly | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | fail | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 05:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Tired coding seems like a good idea at the time. | 05:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Then you wake up, and find that you've copied a mirror of youtube over your /dev/sda | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 05:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 05:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, that's great | 05:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems i'm writing an empty database | 05:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 05:06 |
| timeless_mbp | on the bright side, it means i didn't actually delete a big database! | 05:11 |
| ljp | less maintainence with an empty db | 05:11 |
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| csc` | timeless_mbp, curious question, since you have your nose in nokia's belongings, why doesnt the n800 have gps, and instead an fm tuner that isnt usable out of the box (With the last latest software release) | 05:16 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: the n8x0 were basically experimental platforms | 05:16 |
| csc` | oddly i figured that | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | they had whichever component was included from some other product | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly 'surplus stock' | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the only component that was custom was the screen | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that when the n800 was produced, there were a lot of nokia products w/ fm radios (n95?) | 05:17 |
| csc` | im just curious, i havent toyed around with an n810, it just seems that an n800 would be more suitable for gps | 05:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and when the n810 was produced, there were lots of products w/ gps (dunno which product, i didn't care at this point) | 05:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Often the GPS comes free. | 05:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - with the n900 - the bluetooth and the FM reciever are one chip | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | they are? | 05:19 |
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| csc` | it'd be interesting to have google map's 'estimated gps' on the n800, but i doubt that'd work | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | oh, 900 not 800 | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry, yes | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | estimated GPS is probably cell-GPS - which uses the phone module to work out with the aid of the network where you are. | 05:19 |
| csc` | SpeedEvil, any modifications possible to break the fm tuner's wavelength caps (n800) | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | That is somewhat unreliable on the n800. | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | hammer. | 05:20 |
| timeless_mbp | csc`: there was something for japanese frequencies iirc | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | 'break' ? | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | read the kernel source - see if it's in there | 05:20 |
| csc` | SpeedEvil, yeah it is, but on the ipod touch, google pinpoints more accurate locations using wifi network data they collected with streetview | 05:20 |
| csc` | more accurate than cell-gps, using predetermined data | 05:20 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: so basically, NIT platform failed? | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if they will be allowed to keep the data | 05:21 |
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| csc` | ive also heard its possible to install android on the n8x0 series? | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: depends on the objective | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | if the objective was to test technology | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | csc`: why would you want Android on a non-phone? | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and to force our team to deliver products | 05:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | we tested technology (some failed: wimax) | 05:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and we delivered products | 05:22 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: but not enough to keep with custom displays? | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | hence the N900 being 100% surplus components | 05:22 |
| csc` | luke-jr, some people do it just because they can | 05:22 |
| csc` | i know someone who has a droid just to use wifi | 05:22 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: which device did we share the display w/ in the n900? | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: no idea, but why get rid of the nice displays for a crap one otherwise? | 05:23 |
| timeless_mbp | cost of course | 05:23 |
| timeless_mbp | silly rabbit | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | a $600 that I won't buy is less profit than a $800 that I would buy | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if there are a million people just like you | 05:24 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 600$ devices sold to 2 other people is more profit than selling one to you for 800$ and none to those other two | 05:24 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, that assumes our profit is $1 per device in both cases | 05:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which for all i know is correct :) | 05:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. i don't know, and your $800 device is hypothetical | 05:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i don't generally agree w/ management | 05:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but management does do a lot of bean counting | 05:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's hard to argue w/ how they count their beans | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 05:28 |
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| csc` | random question, can more than one bluetooth device be used at the same time? ie a phone and keyboard | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | YEs | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | There are limits - bandwidth may not allow some combos | 05:33 |
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| jscinoz | Hello everyone :) | 06:14 |
| mrflappypants | ROR. | 06:15 |
| mrflappypants | that is lol in chinese | 06:15 |
| zChris | Kek :) | 06:16 |
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| jscinoz | Am i correct in understanding that Modest supports the idle extension to IMAP, but this support is disabled in the stock n900 builds? | 06:18 |
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| luke-jr | omg | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | a spider just crawled inside my keyboard | 06:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Was it called google? | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | no | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | literally | 06:28 |
| swc|666 | luke-jr, freaky | 06:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you could call it google if you like.. | 06:29 |
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| luke-jr | I could, but then I might hesitate to slaughter it | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | ................................. | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | crap | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | it got away | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonsense. For all I know apple is using skyhookwireless.com, not the google wifi data collected either semi-illegally or totally "oops, we didn't plan to do that, was an accident" | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how is it semi-illegal? | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | I have concluded this particular spider is unlikely to be poisonous, and have allowed it to escape into my pile o' mess on my desk | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple. Some german court says it's a breach of german data privacy laws, then it's illegal by definition | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | only in Germany | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | which is known to be extremely screwed up | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, if somewhere is totally screwed up, then that's USA | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | USA is pretty screwed up, but Germany is far worse | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe the opposite direction, but yes | 06:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Wandering around capturing all packets in a systematic organised way is quite dodgy by many definitions. | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | Germany has mandatory brainwashing, persecution of those who dare question the Holocaust, and other such nonsense | 06:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think it's a huge reach to call that an invasion of privacy. | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | omg. now it's getting silly | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if you're broadcasting to the public, don't complain if someone listens | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | if you don't want it public, encrypt it | 06:41 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp | 06:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun german story | 06:41 |
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| luke-jr | (for the record, I neither claim to know nor care how many or what methods were used by the Nazis to kill people; but persecuting people because of their opinion on it seems ridiculous) | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're walking thru the night, don't complain all sorts of rape and robbery accur to you. If you don't like, get a gun | 06:42 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: totally different | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | this is like two guys shouting their plans for the day across the neighborhood with loudspeakers | 06:43 |
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| luke-jr | and complaining that someone driving by heard their plans | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: not at all. sounds both like you're living in the USA | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | it is | 06:43 |
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| luke-jr | my N810 happens to keep a record of every wifi packet it comes across, btw | 06:44 |
| fureddo | Hi, it will look like a stupid question but as I have no Nokia device, I don't know... Is it possible to do "double-click" with your fingers when using the N900? | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | not because I care about what other people are doing, but because that's what kismet does | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | fureddo: yes | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | fureddo: hold-tap | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like you are recording everything with parabolic mics and 500 taperecorders, and then centrally process it. And YOU accuse germany about 3rd Reich? | 06:45 |
| fureddo | luke-jr, so it's not really a double-click but a holding-click, right? | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: everything broadcast to your vehicles | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | fureddo: yeah | 06:46 |
| fureddo | luke-jr, Ok, thanks. On the scratchbox emulator, I guess it will be a double-click but will translate to a long click on the device. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, I'm really not in the mood to discuss that now. Not worth it | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: privacy is secondary to avoiding brainwashing | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | in any case | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which obviously in your case wasn't so successfull | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 06:47 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, the screen on the N900 is nicer than the one on the N810. | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: nonsense, it's way too small | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, have you ever used one? | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | and that's super-subjective | 06:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 says goodnight to big brother's little friend luke-jr and takes another nap. Feel happy with your homeland security and Millenium Copyright BS | 06:55 | |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: tell me, why should the law differentiate between filter(capture()); and capture(data); filter(data); ? | 07:38 |
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| asj | luke-jr: because there's a huge difference | 07:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: tell me, where should I publish the NDA and PR contract you signed with google? Should I attach the video taken from your sleeping room by a camera that was inside that quadrocopter drone in plain .avi, or better upload to youtube? | 08:00 |
| Sambeezi | hello everyone. I've set up password-less login from my laptop to my n900 and it works great. However, no matter what I try to do, I cannot log into my laptop from my n900. Any ideas as to why I can't? a simple ssh usernameonlaptop@laptopsIP doesn't do anything | 08:00 |
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| Proteous | do you have a ssh server running on your laptop? | 08:14 |
| Proteous | do you have a firewall running on your laptop? | 08:14 |
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| Sambeezi | Proteous: nothing has been changed. I can get on there from a different computer to that laptop, but from the n900 i can't, ssh user@host -v doesn't give me much info either | 08:16 |
| Sambeezi | Proteous: firewall shouldn't be an issue. Nothing was changed. I just updated to PR 1.2 and now i can no longer log into my laptop via ssh | 08:16 |
| Proteous | can you ping the laptop from your n900? | 08:16 |
| Sambeezi | Proteous: yes i can | 08:16 |
| RST38h | <yawn? | 08:17 |
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| Chiku | meamo media player is it a front end for mplayer? | 08:18 |
| Surfa | Sambeezi, how about with password, does it work? | 08:19 |
| Proteous | Sambeezi: so what happens, does the host respond at all? | 08:19 |
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| Chiku | I added a .jpg file inside an album folder but player doesn't display the jpg | 08:20 |
| Proteous | it automaticly detects tubgirl and won't display it | 08:21 |
| Proteous | it's for your own safty | 08:21 |
| petteri | Sambeezi: try connecting with debug on. Like this ssh -vvv user@host | 08:21 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'm anti-Google, fool | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | asj: what difference? | 08:24 |
| asj | luke-jr: the same reason why CALEA doesn't work that way | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | never heard of it | 08:25 |
| asj | luke-jr: good CALEA | 08:25 |
| asj | 08:25 | |
| luke-jr | why? I just said I'm anti-Google | 08:25 |
| asj | then use what ever search engine you like | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | asj: anyhow, you answered a "why" question; I didn't ask a "why" question | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | there's a difference between wiretapping and logging public broadcasts | 08:27 |
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| asj | luke-jr: actually that depends on you expect to have a reasonable expectation of privacy | 08:27 |
| Sambeezi | Surfa: Proteous petteri , cursed Verizon fios. changed my ip and me dumbhead didn't even check. changed port forwarding settings and it's all good now. I knew it was something crazy like that but just couldn't figure it out until i actually went and looked into my firewall settings again. duh! anyways, tahnks for the help. *embarrassed look* | 08:27 |
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| Proteous | glad you got it figured out | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | asj: it is unreasonable to expect an unencrypted public broadcast to be private | 08:28 |
| Surfa | it happens | 08:28 |
| asj | which is why it's illegal to peer into open windows of strangers houses, while they didn't close the shades and might be publicly displaying the family jewels to the world you aren't allowed to record it | 08:29 |
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| luke-jr | asj: it's illegal to peer as well as record | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | the equivalent here would be legal peering but illegal recording | 08:29 |
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| luke-jr | let me try rephrasing my objection | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | why should Google be required to install filters on their embedded/mobile systems, when it is more cost-effective to have their bulky datacenter filter the data? | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | in both cases, technology is filtering out the "private" data that was broadcast publicly | 08:31 |
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| Proteous | I want to setup an open wifi connection and get anyone who connects to it arrested, MUHAHAHAHAAA | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | Proteous: not just connects to it, but even receives your beacon! | 08:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Proteous: no problem. come here to germany. You can have that here. Though otoh since ~1 week you're in danger to getm arrested as well, as it's been outlawed to have open wlan | 08:35 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:36 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, whats the punishment for the ignorant who leave theirs open? | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not clear yet | 08:38 |
| Proteous | they rip your toenails out with rusty pliers | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least a fee of a few 100bucks to music industry | 08:39 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:39 |
| Proteous | those fines are the only thing keeping them afloat!! THEY NEED YOUR HELP, GIVE IF YOU CAN! | 08:39 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, Eldar is starting another crusade, this time against Meego =) | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.networkcomputing.de/kommunikation/mobile-wireless/artikel-82982.html (open wlan outlawed by supreme court) | 08:52 |
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| RST38h | Germans. | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bah. USA it's even illegal to have a hex number printed on your t-shirt | 09:03 |
| RST38h | Really? URL? | 09:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | css key for DVD | 09:04 |
| RST38h | Ah, the CSS key... I guess it is illegal in Germany too, just has not been explicitly tried | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure. USA knows to act like rambo everywhere on this globe | 09:06 |
| RST38h | That's separate though | 09:07 |
| swc|666 | man wtf .. this is twice already that the Internet Connection dialog fails to load | 09:07 |
| Corsac | wtf(6) - translates acronyms for you | 09:08 |
| swc|666 | ha | 09:08 |
| RST38h | I am mainly considering the chances of being found guilty of *something* when traveling to one destination or another. And Germany does not look good. | 09:09 |
| swc|666 | .de laws suck | 09:09 |
| swc|666 | i was i jail there for hearsay; no evidence for a year | 09:10 |
| Surfa | well, in germany you can handle almost everything with common sense.. which is not case in the us | 09:10 |
| swc|666 | not in bayern evidentally | 09:10 |
| Corsac | hmhm, hs-48 nokia headset has crappy quality except when pressing on the button | 09:10 |
| swc|666 | != sense of any kind | 09:10 |
| Surfa | doesn't make sense to mention them in same sentence | 09:10 |
| Corsac | which I guess is the mike button | 09:10 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Funny, I had the same thought, but in opposite direction =) | 09:10 |
| Surfa | RST38h, well, i've lived in germany and visited us multiple times | 09:10 |
| Corsac | ha no, answer/end button | 09:10 |
| Corsac | I should tape it | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Especially that accident in Frankfurt airport... | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Where they refused to print me a ticket on the basis that I had not shown them the ticket | 09:11 |
| RST38h | No way common sense can explain THAT | 09:12 |
| Surfa | in the us there's one benefit for travellers.. you need to be a total idiot not to find your way. 2m of each other there's someone asking where you are going and no matter what you say they still check your papers and push you to right direction | 09:12 |
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| * RST38h never had his papers checked in the US | 09:12 | |
| Surfa | RST38h, well, idiots do live in each country | 09:13 |
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| RST38h | Other than at the passport control in the airport, which is usually way meaner than any place else in the world | 09:13 |
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| Surfa | my first landing to chicago was actually just like that, every person checked my bagtag to be sure where I was going, even that I told them it every time | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Remember: security personnel are not "persons". They are security personnel. | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Once you stop treating them as persons and start treating them as hostile robots, you will be ok | 09:15 |
| Surfa | suits me, but you know what I mean | 09:15 |
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| RST38h | Actually, no, I have never had my bagtags checked in the US :) | 09:15 |
| Surfa | but that's only a benefit for a traveller as I said in the first place | 09:15 |
| RST38h | But I can tell a few rather fun stories about US customs | 09:16 |
| FIQ | Can i use userCSS in microB somehow? | 09:16 |
| RST38h | Like the guy who wanted to see what is on the custom NAND cartridge I was carrying | 09:16 |
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| RST38h | He proudly told me his previous job was the detective at NYPD | 09:17 |
| Surfa | well, I've had some working equipment with me couple of times and it's always the same.. asking questions and nodding even that they don't have a clue what I'm talking about | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FIQ: allegedly yes | 09:17 |
| * RST38h expressed polite hope that the guy would love his *current* job of a security drone at the airport. | 09:18 | |
| Surfa | RST38h, did you happen to ask why it was previous? ;) | 09:18 |
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| wazd | moaning people :) | 09:18 |
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| RST38h | Surfa: That would be hostile, and I am well able to smear people in shit without being outwardly hostile =) | 09:18 |
| RST38h | ehlo wazd | 09:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 09:18 |
| Surfa | oh rly, but i think that question would have been a good start for a great adventure of security checks at the airport :) | 09:19 |
| mece | hello. | 09:19 |
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| zChris | Shouldnt ditch people that are only doing their jobs | 09:19 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Not necessarily, although that is always a possibility | 09:19 |
| RST38h | zChris: Not "people". Hostile drones. See above. | 09:20 |
| zChris | sigh | 09:20 |
| mece | Is the Nokia twitter widget part of Desktop Widgets under "Maemo Official Applications" ? | 09:20 |
| RST38h | zChris: They are not treating you as a person. If you treat them as people, you are in for a disappointment. | 09:20 |
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| RST38h | Anyways, gotta go | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway in US you easlily get on a no-flight list for idiotic coincidences in one of the gvmt's databases, and you got no chance whatsoever to fix that. In germany we got quite a history of large databases built up by big brother, and that's just one of the reasons why it's a different thing when google stores uncrypted yet private data of a few million people than it is when my neighbour listens to my wlan | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | omg | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | frank.wagner is back | 09:28 |
| mece | ~seen MohammadAG | 09:29 |
| infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'think of a better excuse :P'. | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | basically it's illegal to store any of your data without your explicit authorization to do so, here in germany. while un USA it's not even forbidden to sell your customers database to a 3rd party company, to spam you with whatever they like | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and google stored private data here the large way, and then took it to USA where they never will be revoked | 09:34 |
| mece | anyone using Twitter widget can confirm that the cpu usage bug appears only after a tweet has been posted from it? As I explained here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=691139&postcount=42 | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I say google acts in a criminal way with their streetmap cars ad wlan scanning | 09:35 |
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| pigeon | hmm, libqfacebook 0.1.1-4 seems to be empty for some reasons | 09:35 |
| pigeon | or is it meant to be like that... | 09:36 |
| pigeon | and someone had a typo: libqfacebook-dev: Depends: liqfacebook1 (= 0.1.1) but it is not installable | 09:37 |
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| pigeon | ah, libqfacebook 0.1.1-2 is sane, non empty. | 09:40 |
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| K0JIbKA | I've got <RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin> image is it a EMMC fiasco image or a new rootfs image? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware does not clarify the situation. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | what device are you trying to flash? | 09:53 |
| Chiku | vanilla is emmc | 09:53 |
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| Chiku | oh diablo | 09:53 |
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| K0JIbKA | Stskeeps:N800 | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | no interna mmc for n800 images | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | so it's a rootfs image | 09:55 |
| mece | K0JIbKA, well, compare the version numbers to the other ones. The one with the highest version would be the newest, and thusly most likely the rootfs image. | 09:55 |
| mece | :) | 09:55 |
| K0JIbKA | memory is overfilles and device gives error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables | 09:56 |
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| K0JIbKA | it's possible to <restore factory defaults> and <clear device> though without any reflashing. I'm in doubt | 09:57 |
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| K0JIbKA | It's N800 with OS 5.2008.43-7 | 09:58 |
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| K0JIbKA | I've flooded repositories from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 10:00 |
| mece | oh. Guillermo is off the hobbit. | 10:00 |
| K0JIbKA | :-( | 10:00 |
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| K0JIbKA | now it's giving this error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | K0JIbKA: just reflash the rootfs and you should be fine | 10:05 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:05 |
| K0JIbKA | Stskeeps: I'm worried about /home/user and My | 10:05 |
| K0JIbKA | Documents | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | K0JIbKA: got sshd installed? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | or bootmenu | 10:06 |
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| K0JIbKA | Stskeeps: think not and there's no possible way to confirm it. Application manager is showing no apps at all | 10:07 |
| K0JIbKA | So I've decided to reflash the whole set | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: so, gecko talks to maemo certman via a symlink | 10:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | if the symlink is lost or destroyed then we don't talk to it | 10:13 |
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| ghostcube | hi folks, will the skype client be updated to work with linux and mac clients | 10:20 |
| ghostcube | who nees windows o.O | 10:20 |
| ghostcube | jnone of my friends use windows | 10:20 |
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| Treibholz | ghostcube: works here. | 10:20 |
| Treibholz | with all three of the, | 10:21 |
| Treibholz | m | 10:21 |
| ghostcube | video call to linux client works for you? | 10:21 |
| SwedeMike | ghostcube: you mean for video or what? with sound it's always been working (but with less network resiliency than the other clients though) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | their clients might need to be updated | 10:21 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, video... never tried... I don't WANT to see them | 10:21 |
| ghostcube | nope video only works with windoof 4.6.x | 10:21 |
| ghostcube | and this must be changed | 10:21 |
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| ghostcube | cause you wont see any client for mac or linux using the 4.6 base on mac or linux | 10:21 |
| ghostcube | this is kind of stupid making an linux phone only calling windows boxes | 10:22 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: this sounds like aou have to wait, until THEY updated Linux and MacOS | 10:22 |
| ghostcube | lols | 10:22 |
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| ghostcube | ok better joke this morning | 10:22 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:22 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: you could try jabber. | 10:22 |
| petteri | or use jabber/gtalk, video for it works fine | 10:22 |
| ghostcube | nope i wont use jabber or gtalk | 10:23 |
| ghostcube | the funny part is my linux client works fine for all three client to call with video | 10:23 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: then you need to wait until skype brought an update for Linux and MacOS. | 10:23 |
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| ghostcube | this wont ever happen and why isnt maemo version not the linuxversion i use at ubuntu | 10:24 |
| ghostcube | or debian or somewhere else | 10:24 |
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| Treibholz | ghostcube: why should this never happen? | 10:24 |
| ghostcube | Treibholz: you following the dev sites on skypeso far? | 10:24 |
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| Treibholz | ghostcube: no, I try to avoid the useage of skype whenever I can. | 10:25 |
| Treibholz | because skype is as evil as ICQ. | 10:25 |
| ghostcube | so it wont happen that linux and mac are the same as windows | 10:25 |
| ghostcube | skype works just fine | 10:25 |
| Treibholz | so does jabber. | 10:25 |
| ghostcube | icq is now russian so ok its evil :D | 10:25 |
| joga | irc forever | 10:25 |
| joga | ;) | 10:25 |
| Treibholz | joga: video IRC? | 10:25 |
| ghostcube | Treibholz: i dont care if someone uses jabber gtalk or whatever i want to use skype i need skype | 10:26 |
| joga | possible. | 10:26 |
| ghostcube | so its not in any case possible to switch | 10:26 |
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| joga | interesting if it only works to windows skype...has someone else tried it? | 10:26 |
| ghostcube | its announced in an bug report | 10:26 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: if there is no way to fix it, then you're lost. | 10:26 |
| ghostcube | its confirmed | 10:26 |
| joga | I still haven't tried the feature because I don't have any skype friends who could have video chats :) | 10:26 |
| ghostcube | there must be | 10:27 |
| ghostcube | linux version is fine | 10:27 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: yes, it's called jabber. | 10:27 |
| joga | I guess it'll be fixed then, eventually | 10:27 |
| joga | Treibholz: you can't switch to another if the people you need to contact are in skype | 10:27 |
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| ghostcube | Treibholz: next worse joke this morning means for me you ignored | 10:27 |
| joga | (and they either won't change, won't know how to, or don't care to) | 10:27 |
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| Treibholz | joga: well, if it doesn't work, and all alternatives are ignored, then you have to live with "it doesn't work". | 10:28 |
| joga | Treibholz: true. | 10:28 |
| * timeless_mbp is confused | 10:28 | |
| joga | I think such an issue will be fixed though | 10:28 |
| timeless_mbp | what doesn't work? | 10:28 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: apparently video call with skype to a linux box | 10:28 |
| ghostcube | hmm ok if nokia coders to stupid to get an working skype client i need to get an other phone next time | 10:28 |
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| joga | heh if only skype was open .. | 10:29 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: why? it's working fine with windows. | 10:29 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: did you try wine? | 10:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | does it not work? | 10:29 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: more important would be a useable mail-client. | 10:29 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: wine? why? no I haven't tried, ghostcube was complaining about it | 10:29 |
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| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: no it does not work | 10:30 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: bah, then translate my suggestion to him | 10:30 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: and I'm pretty sure, the nokia-guys just use a skype.so. | 10:30 |
| ghostcube | it just working with stupid windows boxes | 10:30 |
| joga | and it's "wrong" to use wine if there's a native client that should handle it | 10:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | joga: it's wrong to claim linux boxes can't do it | 10:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | wine runs on linux boxes | 10:30 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: no need for wine | 10:30 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to claim that skype's linux client doesn't work, fine | 10:30 |
| ghostcube | linux native can do calls | 10:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but don't claim the boxes are incapable | 10:30 |
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| ghostcube | maemo cant do to all client versions except windows | 10:30 |
| Treibholz | timeless_mbp: The problem is, that skype has a bad linux/macOS-Client. | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Treibholz: you mean the problem is people aren't willing to use the better client | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: is the linux client open source? | 10:31 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: I'm not claiming that, I know I can do everything with linux, even if it needs M-x butterfly, but apparently this one is because of the client in n900 | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | if not, what the heck is wrong w/ using wine+closed-windows-client? | 10:31 |
| hrw | bug 10312? | 10:31 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work | 10:31 |
| Treibholz | timeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client für Linux. | 10:31 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: no | 10:31 |
| Treibholz | s/für/for/ | 10:31 |
| joga | and I have my doubts about using the windows client with wine and expecting proper sound and video | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: try it | 10:32 |
| infobot | Treibholz meant: timeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client for Linux. | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you might be surprised | 10:32 |
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| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: stop | 10:32 |
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| ghostcube | you dont get the problem as it seems | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | maemo client sux ... linux client works fine | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | so there must be a reason for this | 10:32 |
| Treibholz | the problem is, that the maemo-skype-client is to new for the old linux and macos-clients-. | 10:32 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I can have video call between 2008 symbian phones using their skype clients. I cant video call them from n900 | 10:32 |
| hrw | Treibholz: it is too new for anything != skype/win32 | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: glad to see they screwed that bug up | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | since c0 is clearly about windows | 10:33 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: this is *mine* bug report | 10:33 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: and c0 is about win32 and also fring/s60 | 10:33 |
| frals | GAN900: afaik the downloads number is counted from all 3 repos only for apps currently in extras (re: mwkn) | 10:34 |
| Treibholz | maybe, this is just a codec-problem. | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: i'd presume the older clients use a different codec | 10:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm assuming this was a design choice by Skype | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: nope ... | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | the linux client works for calling all clients | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: you work for Skype? | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | maemo doesnt | 10:35 |
| * frals facepalms | 10:35 | |
| ghostcube | nope i support ubuntu ... and skype is fine in linux version | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 10:35 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: as a normal user I do not care about internals. I cant make video call to my friend n95 with fring | 10:35 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: maybe, the removed a codec. | 10:35 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: and I can video call him from any other skype client with video support | 10:36 |
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| ghostcube | hrw: full ack | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: is fring a third party client? | 10:36 |
| ghostcube | doesnt matter | 10:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: it sounds like you should file a bug against fring | 10:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | have you? | 10:37 |
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| ghostcube | hrw: i think we talking against oaks ... | 10:37 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to be changed. Switch connection?" or "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to change. Switch connection?"? | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.fring.com/support/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit&step=1&departmentid=1 | 10:37 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: ??? | 10:37 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: it is 3rdparty | 10:37 |
| ghostcube | you still dont get it or? | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: the latter | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: your English parser is broken | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | please upgrade | 10:38 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: ty | 10:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: i think you need a comma after 'MMS' | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but please find someone else to verify | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (that was my fault) | 10:38 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: my english is better as your german i think so | 10:38 |
| ghostcube | we could test it | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: there's a reason why we aren't speaking German here | 10:39 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I do not use fring so will not report against it. | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: so have your friend report it | 10:39 |
| ghostcube | genau ... so dont blame me for an language i dont prefere | 10:39 |
| ghostcube | or speak german | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: i'm blaming you for not listening | 10:39 |
| ghostcube | yeah same for you | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: if Skype delivered a client which supports a certain codec | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | then that was Skype's choice | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | there's nothing wrong w/ Skype making that decision | 10:40 |
| joga | *if*? do you know this is the case? | 10:40 |
| ghostcube | nokia does code the maemo client | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | if a third party doesn't support that codec then that third party will need to upgrade its client | 10:41 |
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| joga | if a skype client on linux desktop doesn't understand the skype client on n900 | 10:41 |
| joga | who is the third party? | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: fring here | 10:41 |
| joga | how did we end up with fring? what is it anyway | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: presumably it's Skype's job to update their linux client | 10:42 |
| joga | nm. googling | 10:42 |
| ghostcube | joga: its pure shit and we werent talking about fring before timeless_mbp did it | 10:42 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: presumably, yes | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and given that they've shipped the n900 client w/ this codec, it shouldn't be too hard for them to do so | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's not Nokia's problem either | 10:42 |
| ghostcube | NOKIA codes skype client and this damn client cant use any other native skype client than windows 4.6.x to do vid calls | 10:43 |
| ghostcube | and this cant be | 10:43 |
| ghostcube | thats just the fact and it wont go aaway | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ghostcube: no, it doesn't | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia does *not* write the skype client | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a code drop from *skype* | 10:43 |
| ghostcube | and so what its recodet cause the normal linux client works | 10:43 |
| joga | I can see why it would only work with newer clients, as unfortunate as it is, but I guess eventually they'll be up-to-date | 10:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | joga++ | 10:44 |
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| * timeless_mbp ignores ghostcube because his comments are incomprehensible | 10:45 | |
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| jpe | since i update to the latest firmware, my mail for exchange doesn't work any more , someone with the same problem ? | 10:46 |
| ghostcube | timeless_mbp: i dont care | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | jpe: have you tried using logging? | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | finding someone with the "same problem" is unlikely to get you anywhere | 10:47 |
| jpe | not yet | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | if they *have* the same problem, they're not in a position to help you anyway | 10:48 |
| Treibholz | jpe: works here. | 10:48 |
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| Treibholz | jpe: exchange 2007 | 10:48 |
| jpe | getting a 'exchange server is not responding...' | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | jpe: turn on logging... | 10:48 |
| jpe | ok, | 10:48 |
| jave | hello | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:B4lk-5Lx0a8J:wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Exchange_(MfE)_Heartbeat_and_FAQ+maemo+mfe+logging&hl=en&strip=1#How_can_I_turn_the_logging_ON_or_OFF.3F | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | is wiki.maemo.org down? | 10:49 |
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| MohammadAG | not for me | 10:50 |
| Ken-Young | timeless, Me neither. | 10:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | not down? hrm | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oh well | 10:50 |
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| Treibholz | btw. is there a cool todo-list-application somwhere for maemo? | 10:53 |
| asj__ | Treibholz: the calendar app? | 10:53 |
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| Treibholz | asj__: forget it.... | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | timeless 17621 4.0 92.5 2487364 1610412 pts/1 R May17 812:01 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/meego.com/BUILD/ | 10:54 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 10:54 | |
| Treibholz | asj__: I need about 10 clicks to reach my todos... | 10:55 |
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| Treibholz | asj__: that's not what I would call 'cool' | 10:55 |
| Treibholz | for now I use the dbian-binary of devtodo in the terminal. | 10:56 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Hi All ! | 10:58 |
| MohammadAG | o/ Khertan_atWork | 10:59 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Hum ... if i want to put a list of QPushButton in a QMainWindow finger scrollable ....what is the widget i should use ... | 11:04 |
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| frals | so err, anyone know of a way to launch ovi maps with a map over a specific location? | 11:05 |
| frals | or any other of the maps apps for maemo? | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | frals: How can I fix the 'MMS' AP as default thing again? | 11:06 |
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| frals | /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py should do a switch between which one is picked as default, hopefully | 11:06 |
| frals | if you just run it, wont give you any output or anythign thou | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | frals: It somehow hid my 'internet' ap. | 11:06 |
| frals | X-Fade: oh, err, thats weird | 11:07 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Yeah, internet is hidden and mms is default. | 11:07 |
| X-Fade | frals: Happened this friday when I restored a backup on PR1.2 and restored apps after flash. | 11:08 |
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| frals | X-Fade: bah, i want to blame backup app but i guess it really is my fault :P | 11:08 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Backup was made on PR1.2 too, so I don't know. | 11:08 |
| frals | X-Fade: gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms, check what the apn = says, then do gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP and see if it contains internet or mms settings | 11:09 |
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| X-Fade | frals: But having MMS as default did ring a bell ;) | 11:09 |
| * MohammadAG didn't have any problems | 11:09 | |
| frals | yes :( | 11:09 |
| frals | bug #9500 | 11:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9500 internet connection settings aren't followed if 2 APs configured | 11:09 |
| MohammadAG | and I used the 1.2 backup app | 11:09 |
| frals | hmm, maybe its bug #9476 | 11:10 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9476 Only 1 APN connection is shown in 'Connect automatically' setting | 11:10 |
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| X-Fade | the mms AP was created with fapn on pr1.1 btw. | 11:11 |
| frals | X-Fade: the easiest way is to do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/<apn id from fmms> and then gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and reinstall fmms tbh | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | So maybe the convert thing went wrong? | 11:11 |
| frals | ah, could be that it didnt set the "fmms is actually using this flag" like it should have, which would explain the confusion and hiding of the wrong apn | 11:11 |
| frals | if you reboot the phone before reinstalling fmms your 'internet' connection should be restored by some system component btw | 11:12 |
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| X-Fade | I will try that this evening. | 11:13 |
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| frals | X-Fade: just ping me if theres any problems.. it usually works ;) | 11:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | Has anyone else got bug 10415 and likes to confirm? | 11:40 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 "My location" in chat status hangs and doesn't get updated | 11:40 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Yes, on my other phone it is ok. It just happened when I restored a backup onto another one ;) | 11:41 |
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| frals | :) | 11:41 |
| frals | did you change sim between creating the backup and restoring it btw? | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | frals: no. | 11:43 |
| frals | ok, most definitely fmms fault then ;) | 11:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: install sysklog | 11:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: wont it eat noticably more battery? | 11:49 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: and do I need to reboot after having it installed or something? | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | probably, dunno | 11:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: output isn't very interesting. location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - :1.56 now having 1 connections, location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - Tracking ongoing, status: 1, npe_id: 15 yadda yadda | 11:51 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 11:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | the interesting side is the status thingy, right? | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | try changing the precision now | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: there's no output about it. only from location-daemon | 11:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | doesn't do anything in syslog. | 11:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | :( | 11:54 |
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| Tuukka | Was xterm changed in pr1.2? Just asking cause after getting root access by sudo gainroot it returns "enable RD mode to break your device". WTH? It wasn't like that before.. | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | install rootsh again | 12:09 |
| zomg | So to totally reset every setting in an N900 I need to reflash the whole thing including the eMMC card? | 12:10 |
| zomg | I was borrowing one for a while and now I need to return it and I'd really like to know all my personal data is gone.. =) | 12:10 |
| defragger | is this a package i can install through application manager in extras-test? : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/bc/1.06-20maemo1/ | 12:11 |
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| Tuukka | Stskeeps, Thanks! | 12:11 |
| jpe | ok, i've enabled logging for my activesync, but i don't see any errors http://pastebin.mozilla.org/729821 | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | defragger: Not on your device, as it is an i386 package. | 12:16 |
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| defragger | X-Fade: sorry i meant that: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bc/1.06-20maemo1/ | 12:18 |
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| X-Fade | defragger: You can only install that one with apt. | 12:19 |
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| defragger | ahh i see | 12:21 |
| defragger | thanks :) | 12:21 |
| Shapeshifter | Mh. A pity, python is kinda slow to launch. Probably because it needs to read from emmc. | 12:21 |
| Khertan_atWork | http://khertan.net/screenshots/khteditor_editor.png | 12:22 |
| Khertan_atWork | oups ... wrong window | 12:22 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: hum ... python isn't really slow to start | 12:23 |
| Khertan_atWork | just tips and trick to know ... avoid large import at startup | 12:23 |
| Khertan_atWork | do it after first ui displayed in idle | 12:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: http://pastie.org/985391 | 12:30 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: Needs almost a second to display "here". It's for a desktop command execution widget. I'm not complaining, the problem is obvious, but I need those imports. It's just not snappy ;) | 12:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | it needs about 0.1s to start python and 0.7 to import that stuff. | 12:31 |
| defragger | does anybody knows how to use ^ in the maemo console? | 12:33 |
| BCMM | defragger: blue shifty thing, ctrl | 12:33 |
| BCMM | defragger: well, that's how you do it on the n900 | 12:33 |
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| BCMM | defragger: i presume you mean in xterm? | 12:34 |
| defragger | BCMM: yes | 12:34 |
| BCMM | yeah, it's the blue shifty thing, followed by ctrl (i.e. Sym) | 12:34 |
| BCMM | then it's 3rd from top, 3rd from left | 12:34 |
| Mobsan | Hey, have there been an update to ovi store for N900? I can't see any new things there... It should have been updated the 27. may? | 12:34 |
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| BCMM | and can somebody remind me of what teh blue shifty thing is called? | 12:34 |
| haltdef | Fn? | 12:35 |
| BCMM | that's the one, thanks | 12:35 |
| Shapeshifter | only that it's actually alt-gr | 12:35 |
| haltdef | I was close | 12:35 |
| Shapeshifter | well fn is practically correct. | 12:35 |
| defragger | BCMM: it works, thanks :) | 12:35 |
| BCMM | is it actually an alt-gr? | 12:35 |
| Shapeshifter | not technically, as fn on notebooks is usually hardwired by the manufacturer to give you more "hardware keys". on the n900, the blue arrow "fn" key is Alt-Gr | 12:36 |
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| defragger | is there a way to use alt in xterm on the n900? | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | as in, alt-gr on your normal keyboard. they just painted a blue arrow on it. it doesn't give you more keys. | 12:36 |
| Scelt | defragger: esc | 12:36 |
| BCMM | Shapeshifter: yeah, i know it isn't the same as a laptop fn, but fn is what i've heard people call it before | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | sure | 12:37 |
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| BCMM | i was in the process of ssh'ing to a machine with xev installed | 12:37 |
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| BCMM | that's weird, xev won't register any keystrokes | 12:39 |
| BCMM | it sees clicks though | 12:39 |
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| BCMM | in fact in general remote X apps don't seem to see keystrokes | 12:40 |
| BCMM | does the keyboard send proper X keystrokes, or does it do something "clever" to make the prediction and so on work? | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a window flag you should set | 12:42 |
| BCMM | Stskeeps: ? | 12:42 |
| BCMM | oh, windows that want to use the keyboard in the normal fashion need to say so? | 12:43 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, does anybody experience as well problems in some mails not being able to read äöü (account is from gmail - there the chars are displayed correctly) | 12:59 |
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| ghostcube | hmmm vert sms is cool app :) | 13:00 |
| SwedeMike | ghostcube: hm, I just checked, the newest windows skype client is 4.2 (on skype.com), you talked about 4.6 when it came to video calling? | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | i have 5.0 beta here on windows | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | must check moment pls | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | sorry 4.2.x sorry my fault | 13:01 |
| ghostcube | :) | 13:01 |
| kakashi_ | mikki-kun, its mostly the problem with the fonts, IMO install the fonts | 13:02 |
| kakashi_ | that should do the trick | 13:02 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: the problem is, it is only in specific mails, not all | 13:02 |
| mikki-kun | i noticed that in mails from boards where i register i have this problem... | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | SwedeMike: https://developer.skype.com/WindowsSkype | 13:04 |
| SwedeMike | ghostcube: so 4.2 should be enough? | 13:04 |
| ghostcube | yes | 13:04 |
| mikki-kun | hm, i forgot to mention the special chars are displayed with a ? | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | the problem is that linux and mac clients arent able to recieve video from N900 | 13:05 |
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| ghostcube | you can enable the vid but none of them is able to see it | 13:05 |
| SwedeMike | ghostcube: same thing with older windows clients, I noticed. | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | yep | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | 3.x cant handle it | 13:05 |
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| mikki-kun | ghostcube: the problem was discussed in the thread... it is due to a change in the encoding of the video which is now h264 and not anymore vp7 | 13:06 |
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| ghostcube | mikki-kun: i read the post but why? | 13:07 |
| ghostcube | so you take off all users with linux and mac from the vid calls? | 13:07 |
| ghostcube | this cant be an solution | 13:07 |
| kakashi_ | mikki-kun, what is your locale settings? | 13:07 |
| SwedeMike | ghostcube: well, you just don't enable it for them, you don't take it off :P | 13:08 |
| mikki-kun | as far as i understood it h264 can be forwarded to the gpu, but vp6 is solely handled by the cpu | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | SwedeMike: yeah but results in the same for now | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | :) | 13:08 |
| SwedeMike | considering how hot my linux machine gets when I run skype video, I'd imagine it'd be hard for the n900 to do that at all. | 13:08 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: device language is englisch (USA) and region is germany | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | SwedeMike: gets hot? | 13:08 |
| SwedeMike | it's using like half the performance of one core of my P8600 CPU in my thinkpad x200 | 13:08 |
| mikki-kun | mehhh, i mean english | 13:09 |
| ghostcube | my e8400 doesnt take care if i do a normal vid call | 13:09 |
| ghostcube | only in high res | 13:09 |
| kakashi_ | utf-8? | 13:09 |
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| mikki-kun | hu? where can i "set" that? | 13:09 |
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| mikki-kun | i have everything except laid out for german... my keyboard is german-qwertz and i can write äöüß... | 13:10 |
| kakashi_ | fire the terminal and set it | 13:10 |
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| kakashi_ | I suspect the problem is mostly with the locale settings | 13:10 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: wanna gimme the command for setting utf8? | 13:11 |
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| mikki-kun | i hadn't this issue until now anywhere except on my n900 | 13:11 |
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| kakashi_ | locale | 13:12 |
| kakashi_ | check it | 13:12 |
| kakashi_ | export LC_ALL="xx_YY.UTF-8" | 13:13 |
| kakashi_ | locale | 13:13 |
| kakashi_ | check it again | 13:13 |
| kakashi_ | also, xx = your preferred language and YY = region | 13:13 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: yep ... but you didn't need this lib at the start ... right ? | 13:14 |
| kakashi_ | eg. export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" | 13:14 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: via sudo? | 13:14 |
| kakashi_ | yep | 13:14 |
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| mikki-kun | does it remember it for every boot? | 13:14 |
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| kakashi_ | not sure :) | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: I'd need it somwhere in the execution process, and always, so it doesn't matter where I import it. Desktop command execution widget waits for the script to exit anyway so it doesn't matter. | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: I'd love to just write a widget in python and Qt but the adaptor for homescreen widgets is not yet available to the pyside bindings | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | (or pyqt for that matter) | 13:16 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: hum ... yep ... for desktop execution widget as it wait the script end ... | 13:16 |
| Khertan_atWork | maybe just launch a process which do the job and read the result in the script | 13:17 |
| Khertan_atWork | in a file for example | 13:17 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: meh doesn't matter, really. | 13:17 |
| Khertan_atWork | :) | 13:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | looking forward to QMaemo5HomescreenAdaptor though | 13:18 |
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| tybollt | lalala | 13:19 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: There? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | no | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 13:19 |
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| Khertan_atWork | hum ... i cannot scroll my QScrollArea ... strange | 13:21 |
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| kakashi_ | mikki-kun, did it help? | 13:22 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping | 13:23 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: hm, sadly no... and i am looking what could be just wrong | 13:23 |
| mikki-kun | if i look at the mail online it displays it correctly | 13:23 |
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| mikki-kun | i even asked a friend to send me a mail full of äöüß and every single one of them displayed correctly | 13:24 |
| mikki-kun | on the same account | 13:24 |
| mikki-kun | so i really don't know any further | 13:24 |
| kakashi_ | mikki-kun, then there is a possibility that the mail has different fonts which is not in Maemo and it renders it wrongly | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: btw, do you have written a small py2deb->pypackager migration guide, yet? | 13:25 |
| mikki-kun | hm... gotta ask then which font the mailer uses... | 13:25 |
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| mikki-kun | maybe that'll help then | 13:28 |
| dneary | hi! | 13:29 |
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| mikki-kun | hi | 13:29 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: not yet :) | 13:31 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: yep i should take the time to write it ! | 13:31 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: well py2deb still works so I'm still using it ;) | 13:31 |
| Khertan_atWork | héhé | 13:31 |
| Khertan_atWork | it s mainly just to change the import py2deb by pypackager | 13:32 |
| Khertan_atWork | and some field that change | 13:32 |
| Khertan_atWork | :) | 13:32 |
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| Khertan_atWork | s/field/property | 13:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: what fields did change? | 13:32 |
| Khertan_atWork | hum ... the version number which is a property now ... | 13:33 |
| Khertan_atWork | and some minor things like that | 13:33 |
| mikki-kun | kakashi_: but thanks for the idea with the fonts :) | 13:33 |
| kakashi_ | np :) | 13:33 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: you can look directly in the source of pypackager as it s self packaged :) | 13:35 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: http://gitorious.org/pypackager/pypackager/blobs/master/pypackager.py | 13:36 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: take a look at the end | 13:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: thanks | 13:36 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: the main differences between pypackager and py2deb is that py2deb build only source package | 13:39 |
| Khertan_atWork | while pypackager can build source, and binary | 13:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan_atWork: nice, that is useful for testing | 13:41 |
| TomaszD | frals, ping | 13:43 |
| frals | TomaszD: pong | 13:43 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: this was the main purpose :) | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh, google maps works by default now | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | (http://maps.google.com/maps/m) | 13:49 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG: microb? | 13:50 |
| tybollt | which is interesting | 13:50 |
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| tybollt | I haven't fully grasped the nokia google [love hate] story yet - are they cool or are they fighting? It'd seem from the MeeGO shitz they are not enemies just yet anyway | 13:51 |
| tybollt | although obviously competitiors | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, yeah, it uses the location from the GPS automatically now | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | I guess geolocation is built in | 13:52 |
| visz | ooh | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | and with fine accuracy it pointed my exact location | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | directions too | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | technically an espeak plugin could be made | 13:54 |
| visz | almost my exact location | 13:54 |
| visz | i'm indoors though | 13:55 |
| tybollt | visz: trioangulation | 13:55 |
| visz | oh, now it corrected it | 13:55 |
| visz | gps got a lock | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | it uses coarse accuracy | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | then fine accuracy | 13:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | uhm | 13:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | when I go there I just get a search field and can look for locations. there's no automatic or manual GPS location or anything | 13:57 |
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| MohammadAG | which FW? | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | it asks if you want to share location | 13:57 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: well newest | 14:00 |
| Shapeshifter | it didn't. :| | 14:00 |
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| pupnik | i still dont understand why we cannot manually assist gps, as the celltower info does | 14:00 |
| pupnik | when i fire up gps i often know my location exactly | 14:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, http://i45.tinypic.com/2wmi0ef.jpg | 14:01 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: doesn't happen here. | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, even google doesn't want to know where you live | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: http://www.zefrank.com/frog/frog.html | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 14:02 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | lol why me | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Would it make sense to require debug symbols for stuff in extras-testing? | 14:04 |
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| ghostcube | hi Shapeshifter :D | 14:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | ghostcube: Lo | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: another one to make your family go nuts: http://www.zefrank.com/snm/index.html | 14:09 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: dude, they can't become what they already are. :P | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | If you have a therapist, I wonder how they'd react if you were to ask them, every time you saw them: "So, how long until you issue the certificate stating that I'm normal?" | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to check the certificate chain back to the root authority. | 14:16 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: :D | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | Or maybe make an appointment for every wednesday, for the next 10 years | 14:17 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: sop essentially - I need to hve my therapist root me? | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | And try to negotiate getting a meal during your meetings, argue other therapists can arrange for that. | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if you're into that. | 14:18 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: =D | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that's usually extra. | 14:18 |
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| crashanddie | Therapists really just repeat the last two words you said and turn it into a question. | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | Really, you should mess with them and ask, after answering a question: "So, how'd I score?" | 14:19 |
| Treibholz | crashanddie: a question? | 14:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: how does that make you feel? | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | Treibholz: Riiight, gotcha, <wink> | 14:19 |
| Treibholz | yes, it's just like eliza. | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | Treibholz: Do you think that my aggressive and libidinal wishes are fused and that I continue to lack a sense of object constancy, or is this all the result of my attempts to master the traumatic experiences involving orality during my pre-oedipal years? | 14:20 |
| * crashanddie goes to take his pills for the afternoon | 14:21 | |
| Treibholz | I once had a "talking therapist" Dr. Creative or something, it was part of my "SoundBlaster 2.0" | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:21 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: brother - share! | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | I think he was recycled into the Dr. Phil robot. | 14:21 |
| Treibholz | crashanddie: I think it's because you want to sleep with your mother. | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | Treibholz: I said pre-oedipal, you dophus | 14:22 |
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| Treibholz | crashanddie: :-) | 14:22 |
| sobczyk | how to get keyboard state from python? | 14:23 |
| sobczyk | ie is it "open" or not | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | one thing that would really freak a therapist out is if you allowed this book to drop out of your jacket in the middle of a sentence: http://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Involvement-Therapists-Assessment-Subsequent/dp/1557982481 | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | "Oh no, just some light reading for the bus" | 14:24 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, 'later | 14:25 |
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| ghostcube | is it planned to get vert sms into the normal sms app? | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | pre-oedipal - you don't want to sleep with her yet? | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: You could try opening a bug against the sms app for an enhancement - or brainstorm. | 14:26 |
| ghostcube | hmmm would be cool if it switches to vertical on phone movement :) | 14:27 |
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| ghostcube | SpeedEvil: you tested the vert sms application? | 14:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: No. I assume it does what it says on the tin. | 14:30 |
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| ghostcube | :) yeah works fine has an own virtual keyboard | 14:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I use SMS about 10* SMS than voice calls. | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | But to put that into context - I have made one phone call. | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In 6 months. | 14:30 |
| ghostcube | oh | 14:30 |
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| Khertan_atWork_ | it s funny ... each time i connect my n900 to my pc at work via usb .... google chrome crash on windows | 14:35 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | hihi | 14:35 |
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| Khertan_atWork_ | no ... this smell like a usb device scan | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 14:35 |
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| Khertan_atWork_ | yep | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Does chrome notmally do anything when you plug in mass storage devices? | 14:36 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | SpeedEvil: indeed ... i think they are scanning device | 14:36 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | SpeedEvil: nothing visible | 14:36 |
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| SwedeMike | oki, so I just made a video call with a windows skype 4.2, so that seems to work ok | 14:37 |
| tybollt | SwedeMike: using frontcam yeah? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | frontcam is _lots_ better than it was | 14:37 |
| SwedeMike | tybollt: the one towards me when I'm looking at the display, yes. | 14:37 |
| tybollt | SwedeMike: is the picture quality good on the front cam yet? Pre 1.2 it was ... "gröt" :) | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is nice | 14:37 |
| SwedeMike | tybollt: yes, it was quite ok. | 14:38 |
| tybollt | 'quite' I don't like the sound of that :) | 14:38 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: goodie | 14:38 |
| petteri | in mirror app the front camera is still quite bad | 14:38 |
| SwedeMike | tybollt: you have to try it yourself, I don't know your reference to what "good" is. | 14:38 |
| tybollt | =) | 14:38 |
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| SwedeMike | I only did it for two minutes and at the office, so it's hard to say too much, and the display is quite small so hard to tell. | 14:39 |
| SwedeMike | I'd say it's like a cheap webcam | 14:39 |
| SwedeMike | so definitely not as good as my 100 EUR logitech 9000 webcam I have at home :P | 14:39 |
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| Treibholz | it's better than the webcam in my Netbook! | 14:40 |
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| joga | tybollt: I think the picture is a lot better now, even though I've only seen it through 'mirror' prog which supposedly renders it like crap (very low-contrast, grayish) | 14:40 |
| joga | but less grainy for sure | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | The chip is not a _terrible_ quality - it has a declared decentish spec | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | not a great spec - but quite reasonable | 14:41 |
| tristan | hmm. so is everyone here on a n900 then | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Not everyone. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | There are oddballs. | 14:41 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at luke-jr. | 14:41 | |
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| Khertan_atWork_ | most ... but some n900 owner still use older device | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - that and I'm not actually on my n900 ATM | 14:41 |
| tristan | whast the verdict | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | awesome. | 14:42 |
| tristan | ill be picking one up in the new few days hopefully :D once my sim arrives. | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | My major regret after 6 months is that they have only included one stylus. | 14:42 |
| frals | tybollt: frontcam is good enough for skypecalls but not great :P | 14:42 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | depends of your use | 14:42 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | but ... clearly the best mobile device :) | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I would strongly recommend getting a pack of screen protectors, and a case. | 14:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also perhaps mobile insurance. | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | But screen protectors are almost mandatory | 14:43 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | and i didn't recommand proporta screen protector | 14:43 |
| frals | screen protectors, bah i say! | 14:43 |
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| frals | otoh the summer does tend to show the microscopic scratches i got on my screen when viewed in the correct angle | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I went out to the garden. | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | With my n900 in my pocket | 14:44 |
| jaska | tried a screen protector, failed installing it :) i just keep mine in a bag for my old htc | 14:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I pu the seccatuers in the wrong pocket | 14:44 |
| frals | :D | 14:44 |
| tybollt | :D | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I bent up and down 200 times. | 14:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | The screen protector was _destroyed_ | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen was just fine. | 14:44 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: My sympathy and condolences - Sir. | 14:44 |
| tybollt | oooh | 14:44 |
| tybollt | wow that's nice :) | 14:44 |
| jaska | yay for shielded magnetic hatch so it doesnt affect the magnetic kbd switch | 14:44 |
| jaska | err, latch | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-ANTI-SCRATCH-Full-LCD-Screen-Protector-fr-Nokia-N900-/270514266205?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3efbe8205d | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | or similar - I'm not sure it's that seller | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me | 14:45 |
| frals | http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/ | 14:45 |
| frals | need translations! | 14:45 |
| frals | gogo etc | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I can translate into 4chan. | 14:46 |
| SwedeMike | I purchased a screen protector and tried to apply it but failed, so I roll without, and try to make sure I keep the phone safe (screen towards cloth only) | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It needs practice. | 14:46 |
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| joga | I bought a protector and got 4 of them | 14:46 |
| tristan | hmm | 14:46 |
| joga | the third one succeeded | 14:46 |
| joga | :) | 14:46 |
| jaska | plus the zagg protector i failed to apply felt rather weird with stylus | 14:46 |
| tristan | so. is there only one sort of screen protector | 14:46 |
| joga | there's many | 14:46 |
| jaska | tons | 14:46 |
| joga | it's just a cheap film, nothing fancy | 14:46 |
| Scelt | I have these; http://www.protectionfilms24.com/article/vikuiti-armr200-screen-protector-nokia-n900-27604.html | 14:46 |
| * GAN900 doesn't know why Peter was stupid enough to post an expected date for the Ovi Store upgrade | 14:47 | |
| tristan | i should say, one main one. | 14:47 |
| jaska | the one i failed to install was 15eur a pop so didnt feel like trying again | 14:47 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: peter who? and yes that was rather silly seeing as it hasn't (right?) updated yet | 14:47 |
| joga | heh I think I paid like 5 eur or something and got 4 | 14:47 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, Schneider | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: yeah - I find the cheap ones are not enormously better than the good ones - which I manage to scrach anyway | 14:48 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, head of MeeGo Devices marketing. | 14:48 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: I bought that 10pack now, we'll see if I succeed, otherwise I'll donate to a friend who also has an N900 :P | 14:48 |
| Scelt | frals: I don't want to create a account :\ | 14:49 |
| Scelt | an | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Firstly, clean the n900 all-over with a moist washed t-shirt. | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | _thouroughly_ | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | then do the application in a dust free room - a bathroom can be good. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Minor bubbles will dissapear over the next couple of days | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | unless there is a blob of dust behind them | 14:50 |
| tristan | i dont mean to open a can of worms | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | don't do it in a bathroom where you also have a washing machine | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:50 |
| tristan | but if you had to weight up an android device and the tablet with phone features angle the n900 takes | 14:51 |
| tristan | whatd you say. | 14:51 |
| jaska | yeah, i managed to leave a dot of black stuff behind.. in the middle of the screen | 14:51 |
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| jaska | and reapplying was impossible :D | 14:51 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: my bathroom is definitely not dust free anyway :P | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Apply it underwater, that should help then. | 14:52 |
| Scelt | frals: where's translation for the button "New MMS"? | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (no, not really) | 14:52 |
| frals | Scelt: on device ;) | 14:53 |
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| frals | ie nokia shipped it | 14:53 |
| Scelt | frals: okaydokay. Delete too? Open file? All those Reply, Forward, Reply (SMS), Copy (Text)? | 14:53 |
| frals | yeah, everything that isnt in the .pot file :) | 14:54 |
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| SwedeMike | btw, I ordered one of thse: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260598606482&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT we'll see how good they are, I mainly needed the earbuds :P | 14:54 |
| * mece is ota upgrading boss' N900 to pr1.2. | 14:54 | |
| mece | I hopeIi don't fuck it up... | 14:54 |
| marmoute | mece: brick it brick it ! | 14:55 |
| Scelt | frals: it could be nice if we could see waht small, medium and large means. in pixels I mean. Selecting small instead of medium just be sure but don't know if small is 120 px and medium 500 px or 240px vs. 320px | 14:55 |
| frals | yeah i plan to add that at some point ;o | 14:55 |
| Scelt | better sooner than later | 14:56 |
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| jaska | the nokia default earbuds are meant for mutant ears | 14:56 |
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| jaska | only way to get them to stick is to ram till the ear channel bleeds :) | 14:56 |
| Treibholz | in-ear headsets are braindead, too. | 14:57 |
| Treibholz | your own voice just sounds too weird. | 14:57 |
| Milo- | thanks :( | 14:57 |
| Treibholz | but for music they are ok. | 14:57 |
| jaska | having to use my akgs which are much larger than the device itself feels silly :) | 14:57 |
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| Scelt | frals: where's that 34 msgid "About %s". At least in the menu with Settings, it's translated already | 14:58 |
| Treibholz | Milo-: ? | 14:58 |
| frals | Scelt: its in a new about dialog | 14:58 |
| Scelt | ok | 14:58 |
| frals | Scelt: "About fmms" | 14:58 |
| Scelt | frals: damn, that Copy (Text) isn't trnaslated properly | 14:59 |
| Milo- | Treibholz nothing, joke does not get better if you have to explain it | 14:59 |
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| Scelt | frals: it says "Kopioi (Text)" when it should be "Kopioi (teksti)" | 14:59 |
| frals | Scelt: right, it might be due to me takign the 'copy' string and then just throwing a (text) at the end :P | 14:59 |
| Scelt | frals: damn you ;D | 14:59 |
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| Scelt | frals: what does those polite, rude and havoc mean in practice? Is it the interval to check for n ew MMs or what`? | 15:01 |
| frals | Scelt: http://blog.frals.se/2010/05/19/fmms-1-0-3-now-in-extras/ 'Connection modes' section :) | 15:01 |
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| Scelt | frals: thx | 15:03 |
| kirma | frals: have to ask, after wondering many times: does your surname have two parts without a hyphen? :I | 15:04 |
| Scelt | no, "Leppänen" is toy boy name | 15:04 |
| Scelt | :-D | 15:04 |
| frals | kirma: yes | 15:05 |
| Scelt | that's odd | 15:05 |
| tybollt | no it is not | 15:05 |
| frals | not in .se ;) | 15:05 |
| Scelt | but good that the other surname is Finnish | 15:06 |
| kirma | frals: somewhat surprising way of writing it, without a hyphen, from .fi perspective. :I | 15:06 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | Hum ... i ve a small problem with my widget in a QScrollArea ... they have a ridicoulous size ... and didn't expand ... any advice : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/welcome_window.py | 15:06 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | ? | 15:06 |
| frals | kirma: well, finns are weird, not much i can do about that ;-) | 15:07 |
| Scelt | weird but cool | 15:07 |
| tybollt | frals++ | 15:07 |
| mece | Khertan_atWork, which bit has the size issue? | 15:07 |
| kirma | well, at least it tends to be easier to say what names are the family name part. only exceptions I know tend to involve non-finnish prefixes | 15:08 |
| Scelt | frals: is it mandatory to create an account to translate it? | 15:08 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | mece: all the widget contain in the scrollarea | 15:08 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | mece: every things look like 1px :) | 15:09 |
| frals | Scelt: no idea how transifex works really, it was suggested on maemo.org somewhere so i signed up.. you can mail me the .po file to fmms@frals.se if you prefer that | 15:09 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | mece: in the setupMain | 15:09 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | mece: in the setupMain() | 15:09 |
| Scelt | frals: you're so good looking. but swedish men tend to be | 15:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: i'm working w/ them | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're having problems, you can ping me :) | 15:09 |
| kirma | had classmate with surname "van Gilse van der Pals" but otherwise, they tend to be at worst something like Isohookana-Asunmaa :I | 15:10 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: :D | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: i have my grubby fingers everywhere :) | 15:10 |
| dneary | Anyone about? | 15:10 |
| dneary | GAN900, Ping? | 15:10 |
| mece | Khertan_atWork, lemme take a look.. | 15:10 |
| Scelt | I think it's pretty ironic that a translation community site has only five translations for the site | 15:10 |
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| dneary | Any news on the brainstorm follow-up meeting? | 15:11 |
| dneary | I'm still catching up with PR1.2 and MeeGo 1.0 email | 15:11 |
| kirma | well, Äikäs-Idänpään-Heikkilä might be the longest I've heard </offtopic> | 15:11 |
| Khertan_atWork_ | mece: thx | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: think people are agreeing on a date | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | and time | 15:12 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, When's it likely to be? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | early Tuesday or Wednesday morning (1200 UTC or so). | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | according to niels' mail | 15:13 |
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| Macer | anybody know if there is an app that can measure hspda signal quality as a widget? | 15:14 |
| tybollt | kirma: Yxi-kaxi-virtaheppo! | 15:14 |
| Scelt | frals: can I translate it on the site or do I have to download it and upload again? Can't find a place to upload though :P | 15:14 |
| kirma | yksi-kaksi-virtahepo it'd be :) | 15:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: you can translate on the site | 15:15 |
| frals | if you register you should be able to just press "add translation" or something | 15:15 |
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| Scelt | can't find the button | 15:15 |
| Scelt | http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/ | 15:15 |
| Scelt | that page | 15:15 |
| frals | right "add translation" then you upload your local file | 15:16 |
| frals | "add a new translation" below the list of translations | 15:16 |
| Scelt | there's no add translation button | 15:16 |
| Scelt | there's not | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: are you logged in? | 15:16 |
| Scelt | sorry | 15:16 |
| Scelt | came from cache :( | 15:16 |
| Macer | hm | 15:17 |
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| MohammadAG | /usr/sbin/update-sudoers: line 45: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | any ideas? | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ./visudo | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | bash: ./visudo: No such file or directory | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls visudo | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | visudo | 15:19 |
| marmoute | MohammadAG: ll visudo | 15:19 |
| pupnik | what are you doing?? | 15:19 |
| marmoute | ls -l visudo | 15:19 |
| marmoute | (to discover this is a symlink) | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls -l visudo | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | -rwxr-xr-x 1 mohammad mohammad 56848 Apr 17 2009 visudo | 15:19 |
| marmoute | (no it isn't...) | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | already checked that | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, reinstalling the SDK, I borked it | 15:20 |
| marmoute | head visudo ? | 15:20 |
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| MohammadAG | nothing that's human readable | 15:20 |
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| pupnik | i am stupid so i put my sdk on a usb-keychain and run it anywhere | 15:21 |
| ZogG_N900 | supsup | 15:21 |
| Scelt | frals: "Send and receive MMS on your N900." - where does that text come to? | 15:21 |
| frals | new about dialog as well | 15:22 |
| frals | description of the application in other words | 15:22 |
| Scelt | how much longer than that can it be? | 15:22 |
| frals | uh, quite a bit i think | 15:22 |
| Scelt | not 20 letters? | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Is 'picture messages' a better term than MMS? | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: no | 15:23 |
| * SpeedEvil is unsure how it's usually referred to in documentation | 15:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | phone documetnation | 15:23 |
| Scelt | those used to be in the same time than logos and mono ringtones | 15:23 |
| ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, depends | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | people are aware of MMS | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I know my last phone called it picture messaging | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 15:23 |
| frals | Scelt: 20 letters longer than that is a stretch i think | 15:23 |
| ZogG_N900 | does fmms support video? | 15:23 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: s/lastphone/freerunner/ ye? :P | 15:24 |
| frals | yes (:rolleyes:) | 15:24 |
| Scelt | frals: I make it smaller then | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: do you have an n900? | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: does fMMS run on Mer-x86? | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: no | 15:24 |
| frals | no clue | 15:24 |
| ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, are u is u? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: well - last 'consumer phone. | 15:24 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: probably wont work unless wappushd is ported to mer | 15:24 |
| Scelt | timeless_mbp: no, I'm a freelancer translator using my old 5110 | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I have a neo1973 | 15:25 |
| mece | Khertan_atWork, err damn, I need to actually get this running to figure it out, and the boss is calling me to a meeting, so I have to get back to you on that. | 15:25 |
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| Macer | blah | 15:25 |
| * timeless_mbp eyes ZogG | 15:25 | |
| mece | Khertan_atWork, but is the problem that it's too small or too big? | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: not trying to send stuff | 15:25 |
| ZogG_N900 | Stskeeps, u have jogger(or how is it called), do you? | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | just wondering if you can give Scelt a running app in a vmware | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | translating apps w/o being able to see them is a disaster | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | replaced the script | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | as nokia has proven time and again | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] > dpkg --configure sudoSetting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ... | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | Updating sudoers | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | haha | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] > | 15:26 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: assuming the millions of python-deps are there the gui should run, i assume | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_N900: right | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: i'd suggest you walk Scelt through setting it up | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll make your life better | 15:27 |
| ZogG_N900 | Stskeeps, is it like tablet or what is the difference? | 15:27 |
| Scelt | timeless_mbp: there's only like 10 rows. not a problem. That was the only question I had to ask. If there were 200 lines I wouldn't have started thuis | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG_N900: it has to be plugged into wall plug, but yeah | 15:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | Stskeeps, from normal AC you mean and not battaries | 15:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: it's a bad return on investment | 15:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | either frals needs to add localization comments (which he does) | 15:29 |
| Scelt | timeless_mbp: can't win always | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_N900: right | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | or he needs to provide helpful steps for random localizers to setup an env | 15:30 |
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| Scelt | timeless_mbp: it was sarcasm about the 5110. I do have the N900, wouldn't mind hanging here if I didn't. so I've seen most of the lines | 15:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | Stskeeps, great. i wanted to buy ipad when i would be rich and put in toilet for internet surfing. now i don't have too | 15:31 |
| frals | would be nice if transifex had an option to provide context for the strings | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: sorry | 15:31 |
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| Scelt | frals: // in pot? | 15:31 |
| ufa_ | hi, is there a way to disable usb-charging? | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Scelt: i'm used to people not using the product they translate | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i think i still have a human visible string that says "XXX how did i get here?" | 15:31 |
| frals | Scelt: yeah probably works, but is it shown when doing an edit of existing strings in transifex webui? | 15:31 |
| * ZogG_N900 can't see anything he types as there is too much sun outside | 15:31 | |
| Scelt | timeless_mbp: no problemos. I bet you have | 15:32 |
| Scelt | frals: dunno :( | 15:32 |
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| tybollt | hmm | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: is http://gitorious.org/fmms the project home page? | 15:32 |
| frals | ah, 6 months since my first deb package and i finally got it to do everything in a single command | 15:32 |
| tybollt | frals: idg.se work for you? | 15:33 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: err, thats the code page at least ;o | 15:33 |
| frals | tybollt: no | 15:33 |
| Scelt | frals: hazard word you're using about network mode :-D | 15:33 |
| Scelt | +s | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: is there a project page? | 15:33 |
| tybollt | frals: uhuh | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mms.frals.se/fmms.html ? | 15:33 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: not really, i got my blog, my placeholder and the garagesite | 15:33 |
| frals | yeah, that be the project page i guess | 15:33 |
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| SwedeMike | tybollt: doesn't work for me either. | 15:35 |
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| tybollt | yub | 15:36 |
| tybollt | seems idg/m3 etc are fucked :) | 15:36 |
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| tybollt | bet their IIS server went tits up | 15:37 |
| tybollt | hahaha | 15:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: https://www.ohloh.net/p/fmms | 15:38 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: ty | 15:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: i should get you to commit my string changes as me ;-) | 15:40 |
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| tybollt | ohnoes.net/p/fmms? | 15:42 |
| tybollt | ;) | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | > The domain ohnoes.net is for sale. | 15:43 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | i have some code which writes 'EEP!' whenever it gets something it doesn't like | 15:43 |
| jaska | i always read ohloh as ohlol | 15:43 |
| * timeless_mbp flipped to a screen session and the entire screen was full of EEP! | 15:43 | |
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| Lazy^ | hello, how i can customize n900 menu.. i mean move icons to different order ? | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Lazy^: Press and hold an icon. | 15:45 |
| TomaszD | Lazy^, tap and hold any icon | 15:45 |
| ufa | hi, is there a way to disable usb-charging? It sucks my netbook battery while using it as a modem | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | not cleanu | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | cleanly | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: 'stop bme' in a root shell will work | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The phone will not charge with bme stopped though | 15:46 |
| Scelt | frals: added | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | 'start bme' after to restart it | 15:46 |
| frals | Scelt: thanks :) | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | you could add 'sudo stop bme' in a 'queen beecon' widget | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (same with start) | 15:46 |
| Scelt | frals: np | 15:47 |
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| ufa | SpeedEvil, but it wont kill my connection? | 15:48 |
| tybollt | queen bacon widget? | 15:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: A capital idea! | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: bme only manages the battery | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: killing it stops it charging | 15:54 |
| Khertan_atWork | mece: sorry ... boss call me too for a meeting | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: Also - stops it reporting battery state - so you will run out of battery quite fast. | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: you can easily run down the battery in a little more than a couple of hours use as a modem | 15:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | hey, look at that | 15:55 |
| ufa | SpeedEvil I know, thx for the info | 15:55 |
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| Khertan_atWork | mece: a setWidgetResizable on the QScrollArea fix the problem ! | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | PR1.2 lost my data connection again | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | stops reporting battery state - so you won't know when you are running out | 15:55 |
| ufa | actually, my n900 is on its way to nokia repair center :( | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | A bug, a bug! That's a bug! | 15:55 |
| * SpeedEvil passes GAN900 a template. | 15:55 | |
| ufa | usb pulled out | 15:55 |
| Khertan_atWork | GAN900: use a flyspray ! | 15:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ufa: That is an alternative way of saving laptop battery. | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: Also - in principle, you can bluetooth tether too. | 15:56 |
| ufa | SpeedEvil Can I make it in a native way? Or an app is needed? | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, lol, that makes me want to take printed bugzilla template forms to a conference sometime. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | You can install 'rootsh' - and then open an xterm, and type 'stop bme' | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ufa: queen beecon is a general purpose widget that runs arbitrary commands. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | arbitrary user-specified commands that is. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise it'd be silly. | 15:58 |
| ufa | SpeedEvil I mean, on bluetooth tether | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know, I've not tried | 15:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can save a lot of power by taking out the battery :) | 15:58 |
| ufa | ok, thx anyway | 15:58 |
| tybollt | pairing the N900 to Windows7 didn't work for me | 15:59 |
| tybollt | it wouldn't find/install the modem | 15:59 |
| tybollt | then looking in the repo's there were pkgs about it | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: so.. | 16:00 |
| tybollt | about bt tether, not sure if it fixes that | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia has issues providing useful drivers | 16:00 |
| tybollt | though | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but you can install enough stuff so that the n900 mostly works w/ wVista or w7 | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | even though it at least in wVista constantly whines | 16:01 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Not placing blame - just saying "didn't work for me" | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: which didn't work? | 16:01 |
| * Khertan_atWork 's n900 use his Win7 internet connection via usb | 16:01 | |
| tybollt | fact is - right now I haz cookie - so I don't care who is guilty of what ;-P | 16:01 |
| Surfa | my experiences on n900 and win7 in general are positive.. seems to work for me like a charm | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm saying that my actually n900 (the real one) is semi paired to a wVista machine | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | each time it comes in range, windows whines about not having good drivers for it | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but it still works for bluetooth file transfer, and pc suite syncing | 16:02 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp++ | 16:02 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: can you - however - just do a regular "*#90#" from it? | 16:02 |
| tybollt | w/out pc suite | 16:02 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, ping? | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think that n900 has upgraded to 1.2 yet | 16:04 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't know what *#90# is | 16:04 | |
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| GAN900 | andre__, ping timeout. If I file a dupe, I'm blaming your inability to respond within 3 minutes to an IRC ping on a holiday! | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 16:07 |
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| GAN900 | Whichever UI designer (manager?) put together the new vkb should be shot. | 16:09 |
| GAN900 | Talk about usability regressions. . . . | 16:09 |
| Khertan_atWork | GAN900: oh you still believe there is a designer in the team ? huhu | 16:09 |
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| GAN900 | Khertan_atWork, I'm ever the optimist. :P | 16:10 |
| tybollt | people in this community ought to pay more respect to GAN | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, but then my ego would get bigger than it already is. | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | and you guys wouldn't fit in the channel. :P | 16:10 |
| Khertan_atWork | GAN900: i'm prefer to be optimist and think that the designers place was replace by some developpers :) | 16:10 |
| pupnik | vkb is for what? | 16:13 |
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| MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/shared-mime-info.postinst: line 10: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: No such file or directory | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Makes it nice and fast ;) | 16:14 |
| frals | GAN900: thanks for the mentions in mwkn :) | 16:16 |
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| andre__ | GAN900: Error: not a valid argument. holiday only in US today :-P | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, :| | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: I've seen that before in build logs btw. | 16:17 |
| hrw | andre__: in UK too | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, any ideas what the problem was? | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | this is on the SDK btw | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: err, i thought 1.2 had qt4.6 | 16:17 |
| tybollt | <infobot> /kick tybollt "Sorry we need MOAR room for GAN!" | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is not fatal, is it? | 16:17 |
| SwedeMike | so when are all the new cool apps based on 1.2 going to come out? I thought there was a huge backpressure? :P | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, not at all :) http://pastebin.com/RsQHMi6V | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, it does. | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | andre__, know of a bug for losing the data connection after a few days of migrating back and forth between data and wifi? | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | > Fortunately, though, if the next update doesn't bring as many substantial platform-level changes (Qt 4.6, optification of bundled libraries, etc) | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: reading that requires way too much brainpower | 16:20 |
| * MohammadAG nukes his /dev/sda7 (scratchbox) partition | 16:20 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, ah, sorry | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, was my "vent the spleen" issue. :P | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | can you make it easier on my taxed mind? | 16:20 |
| tybollt | GAN900: This is not the "losing data connection when connected to wifi" one, right? | 16:20 |
| andre__ | GAN900, not by heart. there's a few similar ones though | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | What with Twitter ensuring I had to do all of the story collection myself and Jaffa being on vacation. | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | andre__, this morning was the second time ICD has lost my data connection. | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | i.e., on battery all night on wifi at home | 16:22 |
| hrw | what is a password for 'user' user? | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | leave the house and see it hasn't migrated | 16:22 |
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| GAN900 | Open the connection selection dialog and see no data connection | 16:22 |
| jaska | hrw: doesnt seem to have one | 16:23 |
| ZogG | have you seen kde's plasma on n900? | 16:23 |
| tybollt | ZogG: ? | 16:23 |
| jaska | user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 16:23 |
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| tybollt | ZogG: explain? | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: oh | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | my network definitely gets stuck leaving my Apt or Nokia | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and has been for months | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i've sorta poked fun at it w/ sp3000 but otherwise ignored it | 16:24 |
| tybollt | I have lots of issues w/ that | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but i can open networks and eventually pick a sane network | 16:24 |
| ZogG | tybollt i'll show you | 16:24 |
| tybollt | most irritating one being a sudden drop of connectvity when being on wifi for a prolonged time | 16:24 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: same here | 16:24 |
| hrw | uf.. mumble via ssh with x forwarding | 16:25 |
| ZogG | tybollt, www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y | 16:25 |
| tybollt | meh | 16:25 |
| tybollt | no flash here :S | 16:25 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y | 16:25 |
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| visz | kinda sluggish | 16:26 |
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| woglinde | jo | 16:27 |
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| tybollt | ZogG: what UI is this? | 16:28 |
| tybollt | ZogG: how'd you go about installing it? | 16:28 |
| ZogG | tybollt so how does it look like? | 16:28 |
| tybollt | cool =) | 16:28 |
| tybollt | I want to try it :) | 16:29 |
| ZogG | tybollt it's KDE plasma | 16:29 |
| ZogG | i don't know how to get it =( | 16:29 |
| sp3000 | for whatever reason getting stuck on a network that's no longer nearby doesn't really happen to me | 16:29 |
| sp3000 | maybe I know more friendly networks ;) | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | this guy seriously annoys me http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54679 | 16:29 |
| tybollt | heh | 16:29 |
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| ZogG | tybollt as wel there is post and video with KDE plasma desktop widgets on n900 that looks good | 16:30 |
| ZogG | look* | 16:30 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG bomb him | 16:31 |
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| ZogG | tybollt, MohammadAG dot.kde.org/2009/10/12/free-n900 | 16:31 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, have you seen video i sent before? | 16:31 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: come now, if you can deal w/ trolls here (hello!) then why can't you deal w/ a troll on TMO? :) | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, cause other trolls back him up there | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG | on #maemo otoh, it's free-for-all | 16:32 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: ouch | 16:32 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG check the videoooooo | 16:32 |
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| ZogG | and get me the wait to install it | 16:33 |
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| ZogG | tybollt, labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/02/28/tokamak-4-the-kde-plasma-meeting/ | 16:34 |
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| tybollt | ZogG: "Watch the planet for a blog from Marijn on how to get plasma running on the N900!" | 16:35 |
| [XeN] | what is plasma? | 16:36 |
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| * Khertan_atWork see plasma on his netbook 1.6Ghz atom with 1Go of ram ... kinda slow ... | 16:36 | |
| * Khertan_atWork cannot imagine it running on an n900 smoothly | 16:36 | |
| tybollt | yeah | 16:37 |
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| tybollt | plasma is bloat for sure | 16:37 |
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| tybollt | (I'm still using KDE3 :) | 16:37 |
| Khertan_atWork | [XeN]: a couch on a other couch based on a framework that is base on a framework which load an other framework to display widget | 16:37 |
| [XeN] | mhk | 16:38 |
| Khertan_atWork | :) | 16:38 |
| ZogG | tybollt i don't like KDe but it looks nice on phone | 16:38 |
| Khertan_atWork | a tentative to do a lightweight desktop | 16:38 |
| ZogG | [XeN] it's WM for KDE4 afaik | 16:38 |
| ZogG | tybollt anyway i found only post how to port plasma widgets | 16:39 |
| Khertan_atWork | ZogG: your mean on a 160x160 phone ... when you cannot see the details with a zoom out of 1000% ? :) | 16:39 |
| ZogG | Khertan_atWork plasma MOBILE | 16:39 |
| ZogG | where MOBIE is the key word | 16:39 |
| Khertan_atWork | ZogG: yep of course just kidding | 16:39 |
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| ZogG | Khertan_atWork www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jVJE_Nb9Y | 16:39 |
| Khertan_atWork | ZogG: take a look a qt ... i was always thought that is too heavy for mobile use ... but the result is here | 16:40 |
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| Khertan_atWork | ZogG: my own source code editor with same feature is faster in qt than in gtk | 16:40 |
| Khertan_atWork | :) | 16:40 |
| ZogG | Khertan_atWork QT was never heavy, the problem that on desktop almost all QT is KDE, that is heavy | 16:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | Is http://maemo.org/packages delayed? As in, my package build -2 is already in extras-devel while the package view still shows -1 | 16:41 |
| woglinde | hi pupnik | 16:41 |
| Khertan_atWork | Shapeshifter: just a few ... but many bugs still here | 16:41 |
| Khertan_atWork | wait a bit and ping x f a d e :) | 16:42 |
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| X-Fade | No, just wait half an hour ;) | 16:42 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 16:42 |
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| Khertan_atWork | X-Fade: :) | 16:42 |
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| Khertan_atWork | X-Fade: i was trying to not disturbing you by using space in your nick :) | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | Separate monitor for all chat windows, so reading along anyway. | 16:43 |
| Khertan_atWork | same here :) | 16:43 |
| pupnik | in case you missed it - mp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz : alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' | 16:44 |
| * Shapeshifter might promote his package to testing today. | 16:44 | |
| pupnik | only use with headphones - can damage speakers | 16:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, which one | 16:45 |
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| Khertan_atWork | pupnik: ? | 16:45 |
| ZogG | X-Fade is AI | 16:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: alarmed | 16:45 |
| Shapeshifter | though I first need to read the wiki and QA stuff | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I have a suggestion | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, fmtx_client -p1; sudo fm-boost; while true; do mplayer /usr/share/sounds/ui-clock_alarm_default.aac; sleep 5; done, you figure out what it does :) | 16:46 |
| pupnik | Khertan_atWork: can you rephrase that? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh and change the 5 | 16:46 |
| Khertan_atWork | pupnik: ?? | 16:46 |
| pupnik | t lets me play my lectures for many hours with low battery drain | 16:47 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: you mean it should enable fm and play a ringing sound? As in, people leave their radio on all night just for this? | 16:47 |
| Khertan_atWork | mp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz : alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' <<< why does it can damage your speaker ... i didn't understand what it does | 16:47 |
| pupnik | because pulseaudio is bypassed, along with the speaker protection equalizer | 16:47 |
| Khertan_atWork | ah ... oki :) thx | 16:48 |
| ZogG | tybollt, i would try to contact the guy later | 16:48 |
| tybollt | nice | 16:48 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping.... | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, actually, there are alarm clocks with FM | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | when the alarm rings it switches on the radio | 16:49 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: how does that work. | 16:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I mean, how does the clock know that it was your signal | 16:49 |
| Shapeshifter | and not just radio from outside | 16:49 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I only know those normal ones where you just set the time and it turns on the radio. but that's kinda redundant | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it doesn't, you set both alarms before you go to bed :) | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | although a big 7.1 Bass might be better | 16:56 |
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| DrGrov | Good day all | 17:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/nytprof6/var-www-html-mxr-test-genxref-line.html#1273 | 17:09 |
| Ikarus | hrm, custom kernel booting on the Milestone, wonder if we can pull off running Maemo on it :P | 17:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: any idea why i'm being accused of spending time for DB_* in that box? | 17:09 |
| sp3000 | I... don't know what that is | 17:09 |
| * timeless_mbp guesses it's part of how the while loop is being handled | 17:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's NYTime's profiler | 17:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | of genxref calling DB_File | 17:10 |
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| DrGrov | Will there be some transparency effects on the N900? | 17:11 |
| sp3000 | ah right | 17:11 |
| sp3000 | yeah it looks a bit curious I guess | 17:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm guessing it's just because it can't quite blame a line backwards | 17:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it uses the last available line | 17:12 |
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| sp3000 | ah, hm, it only blames the while for three | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | there are only 3 files being merged | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | dbm, nsprpub, security | 17:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | basically the while is being blamed for entry criteria | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and the last line in the block is being blamed for looping | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using an out of date version of nytprof because i messed up trying to do a cpan-user install | 17:16 |
| smoku | <EG> another game ported :D | 17:19 |
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| pupnik | whatmwhat smoku ? | 17:23 |
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| MohammadAG | Can someone PLEASE help me with this? http://pastebin.com/AxP9mQQW | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | Scratchbox is a pita... | 17:27 |
| E0x | is asking for getent | 17:27 |
| E0x | wtf is that ? | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | something that should probably be there.. | 17:28 |
| E0x | usermod too | 17:28 |
| E0x | maybe you are missing coreutils | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 14635008 May 31 16:06 xref | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless timeless 19927040 May 31 04:25 xref | 17:28 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:28 | |
| E0x | usermod is in passwd packages | 17:29 |
| E0x | ( at debian ) | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... | 17:29 |
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| E0x | getent is part of libc6 | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like i'm losing some records | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | wohoo, There was an error creating the child process for this terminal | 17:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10187248.stm | 17:32 |
| smoku | pupnik: Globulation 2 :) | 17:32 |
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| pupnik | oo i heard that is a good one | 17:33 |
| pupnik | i am very happy with the work you guys did for n900 games | 17:34 |
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| pupnik | way better than the 770 situation | 17:34 |
| smoku | N900 can handle moar | 17:36 |
| tybollt | you folks using 'autodisconnect' app? | 17:36 |
| mintux | is it possible to define profile for browser? i set some settings for browser in about:config but when i close ir and open agin my setting lost.it's great if it can suuport profile | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 17:38 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 13h 38m 54s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 17:38 |
| Vladimiroff | I'm developing qt project with QJson and I want to port it to Maemo 5(I'm using QtSimulator...still waiting for my n900). There is qjson package for maemo, but how should I point it in .pro file? | 17:39 |
| Vladimiroff | it's obvious I can't use my /usr/include/qjson path | 17:39 |
| mintux | or introduce e browser that it support socks | 17:39 |
| pupnik | we have more people doing good work now too smoku | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: kinda | 17:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | the browser engine can be asked to do things | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but the browser ui specifically asks it to do stupid things per requirements | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | that includes screwing with your socks pref | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if you get your own browser ui and tell it to talk to the browser daemon and specify your own profile | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser daemon won't do anything screwy | 17:42 |
| mintux | does microb support profile? like firefox | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but again | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser UI is what's asking the daemon to do stupid things | 17:43 |
| mintux | kinda package does not found | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | could you try *reading* what i wrote? | 17:43 |
| pupnik | do you surf with javascript disabled timeless_mbp ? | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: not usually | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia-maps and the tutorial are both browser clients | 17:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | each has its own profile | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ its own settings | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that microb is the *engine*, it is not the ui | 17:44 |
| woglinde | ovi map on n900 is a brwoser-ui? | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 17:44 |
| woglinde | oh my god | 17:44 |
| pupnik | would be kinda neat to bind a key combo to activate javascript on a page | 17:44 |
| mintux | what is the command of web browser i don't find microb and firefox | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: the problems are actually in the way they wrote their browser plugin | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: PAY ATTENTION | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | PAY ATTENTION | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | PAY ATTENTION | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | microb is an *engine* | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it is *not* a ui | 17:45 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: btw, how'd you fancy <- actually takes you one page back and not into a history menu? | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | there are 3 ui's in the n900 | 17:45 |
| pupnik | /usr/bin/browser is running here | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | tablet-browser, nokia-maps-ui, tutorial | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | none of them *are* microb | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | they are all microb *clients* | 17:45 |
| pupnik | cool | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | each of them has their own profile | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but *none* of them give you a ui to specify your own profile | 17:45 |
| mintux | hmm | 17:45 |
| lbt | tybollt: it does | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: IS THAT CLEAR? | 17:46 |
| tybollt | lbt: How do you _like_ it | 17:46 |
| lbt | mmmmm :D | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: actually, back goes back is annoying | 17:46 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: nooooo! | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | because out of the box we generally aren't cache friendly | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | which means i tend to lose data and yell | 17:46 |
| tybollt | yes | 17:46 |
| tybollt | sure | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | back is "you didn't really want to do that" | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | is safer | 17:46 |
| tybollt | that's something that could improve | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and safe is good | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 17:46 |
| tybollt | no | 17:46 |
| woglinde | timeless its a plugin for microb? | 17:46 |
| woglinde | how braindead is this | 17:47 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I profoundly do not agree | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: maps is a ui that's a client to the browser daemon | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which also provides a plugin | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which it then uses to do all of its work | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | well, almost all of its work | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but hey, cheer up | 17:47 |
| pupnik | i prefer the back button yielding overview | 17:47 |
| mintux | i dont find tablet-browser and kinda package | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | we're hoping to do that for other apps for harmattan! :) | 17:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | actually, i messed up the count | 17:47 |
| woglinde | oh no | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a 4th microb client in the n900 | 17:48 |
| mintux | midori and chroume doesn't support network proxy | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | which is the conversations app | 17:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | mintux: install Fennec | 17:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | mintux: but please, PAY ATTENTION | 17:48 |
| mintux | ok | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and PLEASE ANSWER ME | 17:48 |
| mintux | ? | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | because you still haven't indicated if you UNDERSTOOD | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and I directed a question to YOU | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | because you were repeatedly asking stupid questions and ignoring my answers | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | which is incredibly rude | 17:49 |
| mintux | hmm | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | now go back and read, and come back to me with answers | 17:49 |
| * tybollt hides under a table... | 17:49 | |
| mintux | ok | 17:49 |
| haj | hey... was wondering if anyone have been playing with pygame.music.play() ? I'm trying to use it but it only plays like the first second of audiofiles.. :/ | 17:49 |
| mintux | in pidgin i have two lines of chat in n900 | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | ffs! My PC doesn't detect the ethernet cable anymore | 17:49 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: ugh? | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | on the BIOS level | 17:49 |
| tybollt | huh? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: try changing the cable :) | 17:50 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: do you get a linkled? | 17:50 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it works on another device | 17:50 |
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| tybollt | is that 1000 or 100? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, neither on the router or the PC | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | 1000 | 17:50 |
| tybollt | ok | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | cable works on the ps3 | 17:50 |
| tybollt | well | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | loaded failsafe bios settings | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | and the LAN LEDs are still off | 17:51 |
| smoku | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 17:51 |
| smoku | libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (= 2.0.9-1osso0+0m5) but it is not installable | 17:51 |
| smoku | WTF? | 17:51 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: same cable used to work fine in same hardware? | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, yes, 5 minutes ago | 17:51 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: :S | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | then i rebooted and couldn't connect to the server | 17:52 |
| tybollt | check if you broke a pin on either PHY | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: see… rebooting is bad | 17:52 |
| tybollt | yes | 17:52 |
| tybollt | have uptime for YEARS instead - so _everyone_ can root you | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, you play on two different teams eh? | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | do ethernet ports even break | 17:53 |
| tybollt | sure they do | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: my server box is locked in a basement | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't get to it | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't really reboot | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | when they're less than 4 months old? | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | well, maybe 6 | 17:53 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: pull ccable out of the device | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, i can haz ssh IP? | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, i did that | 17:53 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: check if any of the pins inside it is bent | 17:53 |
| tybollt | they should all be neatly aligned | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | the device? | 17:54 |
| * SpeedEvil boggles. | 17:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | /home/opt 2064208 1864384 94968 95% /opt | 17:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ssh://swift | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | that works from my n900 sometimes :) | 17:55 |
| SwedeMike | so I did some more tests with skype video calling, it uses 100% cpu all the time, and it draws so much power that according to battery graph, the battery isn't being charged when I have the charger in while at the same time doing the video call | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | SwedeMike: sounds about right | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: sounds plausible | 17:56 |
| SwedeMike | also, the camera is a bit less light sensitive than the built-in one in my thinkpad x200 | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: is this connected to the wall charger? | 17:56 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: yes, the one that came with the phone. | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | we've had bugs where people complain that Flash drains the batter while charging | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, k, i'm in | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | we looked at the reporters and shook our heads | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it is *not* a software bug when the hardware is such that you can drain more power than it can charge | 17:56 |
| mintux | timeless_mbp: undrestood. but i could not install fennec i got E: Handler silently failed | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: how did you try to install fennec/ | 17:57 |
| Khertan_atWork | timeless_mbp: it is ! ... the software should shutdown the device while charging ! | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: But there are quality bug reporters! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 - look at the last. | 17:57 |
| povbot` | Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the job of software is to do whatever the user asks | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | err #147 even | 17:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: gah, that bug is long | 17:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:58 |
| * timeless_mbp is @c18 | 17:58 | |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, looks a-ok to me http://i49.tinypic.com/vni0rt.jpg | 17:59 |
| andre__ | ...and full of flames. | 17:59 |
| SwedeMike | I have experienced the same thing while doing media playing... | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | And not much light | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | don't you just love it when the N900 cam does wonderful macros | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: media playing should definately charge | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: slowly | 17:59 |
| mintux | timeless_mbp apt-get | 17:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | media playing from onboard storage. | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: from what repository? | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | playing from 3g - perhaps not | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | mintux: in case it wasn't absolutely clear, you're *way* past trying my patience | 18:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | i do not generally yell | 18:01 |
| mintux | i have devel and testing | 18:01 |
| haj | need pygame.mixer.music.play() help anyone? | 18:02 |
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| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: well, this wasnt with a wall charger but with a battery powered emergency charger | 18:02 |
| mintux | in app manager i could not found it | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Ah. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Then you need stronger batteries. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Also - perhaps you need to ensure it can provide >500mA - and also has D+ and D- shorted | 18:03 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: yeah, I wish they had a stronger model, I think the N900 is really nice to have on airplane, less bulky than the laptop | 18:03 |
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| mintux | im installing opera | 18:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i'm so glad i don't get comments for that bug | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i wrote a very detailed explanation for how you can't possibly get a fix in 2 minutes | 18:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | and a guy asks me if i'm kidding | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | umm - perhaps with this hardware. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | There are GPSs out there that will do a truly cold fix with no assist in a bit over a minute | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: see comment 61 | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - and that's wrong. You can get a position using only the ephemirides - which are broadcast on a 30 min cycle, not 12.5 min | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 30s cycle | 18:09 |
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| * SpeedEvil checks he's not making this up. | 18:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | offers a way to listen to more satellites at once | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | which is something i was going to mention, but wanted to verify before repeating | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I know how these things work. | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but that requires more hardware | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a partially coded software GPS. | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, that's my understanding | 18:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | There exist designs with massively parallel correlators that essentially output data immediately without any required scanning of the frequency ranges. | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but in general, the average device does suffer from time_to_first_fix | 18:11 |
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| pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/orig/Baby.turtle.1.05_31_2010.jpg woah detail, did the pr1.2 improve the camera? | 18:13 |
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| jaska | aw, cute | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=163 - coldstart 50s http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8975 - 36s | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (this is for open sky conditions, ttff is pretty much inherently much, much slower if your reception is dodgy) | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: btw, i'm glad to see that the reporter by comment 74 recognized that the device works | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've occasionally seen it take >20 mins to lock under open-sky. | 18:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | That was just once though. | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:15 |
| BCMM | pronto: shot with an n900? | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | well, would you pay an extra 60USD for a faster gps fix? | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What I find much more annoying is the times that camera will block while waiting for GPS | 18:16 |
| pronto | BCMM: yes | 18:16 |
| woglinde | SpeedEvil uahahaa | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: it's maybe another $1 or $2 | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Block - and not let you take pictures | 18:16 |
| BCMM | pronto: hmm, i've never shot a photo that stands up to 100% zoom | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | can i use usb networking to share the N900's wifi to my PC? | 18:16 |
| pronto | i used macro mode | 18:16 |
| pronto | and focused on the turtle | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Macro mode is basically cheating | 18:17 |
| BCMM | pronto: yeah, i can see that only the turtle is in *perfect* focus | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | the resolution is a fair bit higher in macro mode | 18:17 |
| woglinde | MohammadAG should do | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | effective resolution | 18:17 |
| BCMM | i'll look at some of my pre-1.2 macro shots and see if they have perfect areas | 18:17 |
| woglinde | MohammadAG with iptables | 18:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - zoom in closely - and you see that it's not that great | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | it happens the shell masks some of teh defects | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | woglinde, I have USB networking set up but iirc that shares my pc connection to the N900 | 18:18 |
| pronto | BCMM: some of my pre pr1.2 looked good | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at some of the dust | 18:18 |
| pronto | SpeedEvil: it is just a phone with a shitty lense | 18:18 |
| pronto | lol | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | pronto: indeed | 18:18 |
| woglinde | MohammadAG whats your problem? | 18:18 |
| pronto | like for a phone, holy hell | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | woglinde, my ethernet port broke down and I can't find my wifi adapter | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | For a non-camera-focused phone - it's very good | 18:19 |
| pronto | if this phone had a real lense on it | 18:19 |
| woglinde | MohammadAG with iptables on the n900 you could tethering the connection | 18:19 |
| pronto | it would be amazing | 18:19 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: oh, you're right about the shell | 18:19 |
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| BCMM | the lens is good by phone standards - a lot of phones still have things that are basically similar to a laptop webcam | 18:20 |
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| BCMM | pronto: any advice on how to persuade it to focus on the correct thing when in macro mode? | 18:20 |
| BCMM | pronto: i've always had to take a few tries to persuade it not to choose the background | 18:21 |
| pronto | take your time , sligtly press the button to focus it, and if it dont focus how you want it to, move the phone further or closer to your target | 18:21 |
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| pronto | and good lighting is a key factor | 18:22 |
| pronto | though that shot was outside , and i didnt use the flash | 18:22 |
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| andre__ | is there a wikipage where all those funny release number extensions a la "203.1" are explained? | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/ | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | pronto: | 18:26 |
| pronto | ? | 18:26 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: is that manual focus? | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:26 |
| BCMM | (that would be awesome) | 18:26 |
| BCMM | does that work the normal camera app? | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:27 |
| pronto | most camereas have that , pressing the buton slightly | 18:27 |
| pronto | to try and focus | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | open stock camera app | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | press proximity sensor | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | focus dialog pops up | 18:27 |
| BCMM | pronto: yeah, i know about the half-press | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (and you can turn the lights on and off) | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | comments 115 / 116 do not at all surprise me :) | 18:27 |
| BCMM | does it also fix exposure on half-press? | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | think so | 18:28 |
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| pronto | proximity sensor? | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | bottom right corner of the screen | 18:29 |
| pronto | bottom right goes to the photos you've taken | 18:29 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 18:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | outside the screen | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: so basically the problem was that power saving trumped functionlaity | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | yay! | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | power saving ftw | 18:30 |
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| pronto | O_o | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: I'm not sure there isn't an underlying problem | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's comparatively rare | 18:30 |
| pronto | not sure where the proximity sensor is | 18:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | (04:29:38 PM) SpeedEvil: bottom right corner of the screen | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | > "Because 10 minutes was agreed on after 3 days of internal mail discussions" | 18:31 |
| Mece | hello | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: well | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | there definitely was a design to turn off gps 30s after the screen blanks to save power | 18:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should probably look at the sat strengths. | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and there was a design to turn off screen after 30s of inactivity by default, also to save power | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | From the sat strengths, it's quite easy to tell if the GPS is likely to ever lock | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that on average you're not going to last anywhere near 15mins | 18:32 |
| pronto | is it an icon on the camera app? | 18:32 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | pronto: no - when you install the livefocus app - it is outside the screen area - to the bottom right of the screen. | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | comment 147 is depressing | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:33 |
| pronto | ...that would be why, i didnt install a 'livefocus' app | 18:33 |
| pupnik | thank you nokia for the satellite display | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | wait | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the mail app supports portrait mode? | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | no | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 18:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | it does | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | o.o | 18:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | (via a backdoor, ctrl-shift-r instead of ctrl-shift-o, so much for backdoor consistency) | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 18:36 |
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| MohammadAG | that's a debug feature | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | it works globally on hildon-desktop | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | = all apps | 18:37 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: it works nowhere for me | 18:37 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it hates you too | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | apesha: aren't you still on pr1.1.1? | 18:37 |
| nax3000 | http://twitter.com/zodttd | 18:38 |
| nax3000 | looks like we're going to get HW acceleration for psx4all quite soon now | 18:38 |
| nax3000 | :D | 18:38 |
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| woglinde | nax3000 wrong twitter feed? | 18:49 |
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| * timeless_mbp sigh | 18:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: would you call me a cheater if i filed bugs about easter eggs in modest? | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the details window content area is about 6 pixels tall in portrait mode | 18:53 |
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| woglinde | file it | 18:54 |
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| pupnik | how can i make an audio beep in terminal? | 18:54 |
| pupnik | "bell" | 18:55 |
| pupnik | used to be ctrl-g back in 1988 | 18:55 |
| nax3000 | nope, that's the right one | 18:55 |
| nax3000 | it's zodtt's, he's the creator of psx4all | 18:55 |
| Vladimiroff | why does Maemo can't find included libs from .pro file? | 18:56 |
| Vladimiroff | LIBS += -lqjson for example | 18:56 |
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| MiXu- | Bah. That new Qt SDK is pants. | 18:56 |
| Vladimiroff | the libqjson.so file is in the same directory as the whole source and still can't load it | 18:56 |
| nax3000 | apparently he's going to send the code for the gpu | 18:56 |
| MiXu- | You gotta fall back to Scratchbox if you want to use external libraries, since madde doesn't support that. | 18:57 |
| MiXu- | So... Nice thought. Kinda like communism. | 18:57 |
| pupnik | hah | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | eh | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | wtf | 18:58 |
| MiXu- | It's still beta though. They better come up with a solution. | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | my XTerminal just switched to portrait mode | 18:58 |
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| MiXu- | that's handy | 18:58 |
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| smoku | nax3000: where did you get the idea of hardware acceleration? | 19:01 |
| nax3000 | sup smoku | 19:01 |
| pupnik | and how was the alien abduction? | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100531-185919.png | 19:01 |
| nax3000 | isn't that why zod's going to contact you? | 19:01 |
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| nax3000 | I mean, why would you need him otherwise? | 19:02 |
| Wizzup | timeless_mbp: nice, how did you do that :D | 19:02 |
| pupnik | whoah, portrait terminal | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Wizzup: i was trying portrait mail | 19:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | and went to my xterminal.. | 19:02 |
| smoku | LOL | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and well.. err | 19:02 |
| korhojoa | timeless_mbp: yeah, i tried that | 19:04 |
| korhojoa | timeless_mbp: just difficult to type | 19:04 |
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| smoku | shift-ctrl-r does not work for me :/ | 19:05 |
| korhojoa | got 1.2? | 19:05 |
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| smoku | sure | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | smoku: you have to close the keyboard and hold the phone in portrait afterwards | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | people tend to forget those bits | 19:05 |
| smoku | aw. right | 19:05 |
| BCMM | there is portrait mail? | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | "enabling portrait doesn't turn my phone into portrait, i'm holding it in landscape, why doesn't it look funny!" | 19:06 |
| woglinde | bcmm yes easteregg | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | BCMM: yes. there's an easter egg for it | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i really wouldn't recommend it | 19:06 |
| BCMM | why? | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | there are missing strings and dialogs don't go where they need to | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | BCMM: presumably someone's working on it | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and they wanted to show that they were working on it | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | would you prefer people to *not* work on stuff? | 19:06 |
| BCMM | like the browser was before 1.2 | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | users are really funny | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 19:07 |
| BCMM | i didn't say i'd rather they didn't work on stuff... | 19:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry, i misinterpreted your 'why' | 19:07 |
| smoku | timeless_mbp: why are you so hostile? | 19:07 |
| BCMM | oh | 19:07 |
| pupnik | in between saunas and the pub.. a little work | 19:07 |
| BCMM | i was asking why you wouldn't recommend it | 19:07 |
| pupnik | is not mature maybe | 19:08 |
| BCMM | i think it's quite nice | 19:08 |
| BCMM | hmm | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | BCMM: and i happened to answer that right after i said i wouldn't recommend it... | 19:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | i presumed you were responding to my first line, not line 2/3 | 19:08 |
| BCMM | i like reading stuff in fairly narrow columns (LaTeX has it right) | 19:09 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 19:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | the mail client doesn't work so well in portrait atm | 19:09 |
| BCMM | i wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | some messages wrap reasonably well | 19:09 |
| BCMM | i wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and some don't wrap at all | 19:09 |
| nax3000 | smoku: so did I get the wrong impression about why you need zodttd's help with psx4all? | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, format=flowed | 19:09 |
| nax3000 | is it not for the HW plugin? | 19:10 |
| BCMM | tbh, email clients need a button to ignore single linebreaks | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ooh, i think my account expired | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | time for a password reset! | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | oh no, it's just the 1 week warning :) | 19:10 |
| BCMM | thanks for that, i actually really like the portrait-mode email | 19:11 |
| BCMM | only obvious oddity is buttons sizing oddly | 19:11 |
| BCMM | not a huge deal | 19:11 |
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| BCMM | it's pretty much what i have on my desktop - folders, message list, and message contents in three columns. only difference is how many i can see at the same time :) | 19:12 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: fud? | 19:13 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: yes | 19:13 |
| timeless_mbp | chicos? | 19:13 |
| smoku | nax3000: yes. I think you got the wrong impression. | 19:13 |
| sp3000 | sure | 19:13 |
| timeless_mbp | now? | 19:13 |
| * timeless_mbp wanders to turn off the BBC | 19:14 | |
| sp3000 | I'm thinking of scrolling down a long page three times, so a few mins | 19:14 |
| MiXu- | Is there an imagemagick port for N900? | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 19:14 |
| E0x | with the nokia sdk beta i can only use c++ , i can't use python or something ? | 19:14 |
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| Vladimiroff | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: libqjson.so.0.7.1: No such file or directory | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | … which is busy talking about Turkey + Israel, Turkey + Rebels, Russia + whatever | 19:14 |
| nax3000 | smoku: oh. so may I ask what's going to happen after zod contacts you? | 19:15 |
| Vladimiroff | the file is in path and only madde's qmake doesn't found it | 19:15 |
| Vladimiroff | where is the sense? | 19:15 |
| BCMM | timeless_mbp: Turkey + Israel? last time i turned on BBC it was nearly everybody + israel | 19:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | BCMM: today it's Turkey + Israel | 19:15 |
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| smoku | nax3000: I will port newer version of psx4all to fremantle, once I get the sources. | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and after they stop talking about Turkey+Israel, they talk about Turkey killing its own citizens | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it's kinda amusing | 19:16 |
| nax3000 | smoku: oh, I see. Sorry for being a nag heh | 19:16 |
| * RST38bis sighs: looks like PR1.2 has broken the Phone application | 19:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | if i didn't think the BBC was anti israel, i'd think someone there has a sense of humor | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38bis: you're too negative, what's wrong now? | 19:16 |
| RST38bis | This is getting beyond sad straight into comical | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat would be great in portrait | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | my only problem w/ the phone is that sometimes SIP calls keep ringing after connecting | 19:16 |
| woglinde | hi rst | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | If the keyboard would actually swivel. | 19:16 |
| BCMM | timeless_mbp: the bbc is anti-israel? | 19:17 |
| RST38bis | timeless: Set Phone app to portrait mode, lock the phone, ask someone to call you, watch it glitch | 19:17 |
| nax3000 | BBC was always anti-israel | 19:17 |
| * RST38bis thought it was just him, but apparently no | 19:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, portrait phone, ick | 19:17 |
| BCMM | phone works fine here, for skype and cellular | 19:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38bis: i'll try that at dinner w/ sp3000 | 19:17 |
| RST38bis | Yes, how unusual to hold your phone vertically to your ear when making a call | 19:17 |
| woglinde | rst *g* | 19:17 |
| RST38bis | I mean, if iPhone users do that, it must be perverse | 19:17 |
| nax3000 | I should know, I live here | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i use automatic | 19:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | so when my phone is collapsed, it's in portrait | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and when it isn't, it isn't | 19:18 |
| nax3000 | (in israel that is, not the uk) | 19:18 |
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| * RST38bis wonders if there is PR1.2.1 on the horizon | 19:18 | |
| smoku | RST38bis: yes. phone app is very moody since PR1.2 | 19:18 |
| pupnik | take it -> ##politics | 19:18 |
| RST38bis | preferably in the next 30 days | 19:18 |
| * MohammadAG kicks RST38bis | 19:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | RST38bis: doubtful | 19:18 |
| BCMM | on the topic of phoning and portrait, there is a nice application to make it go into speaker mode when you open the keyboard | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | BCMM: ooh | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | is it in extras or -testing? | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | it's like that by default on the N97 | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | -devel i think | 19:19 |
| BCMM | dunno, i'll check | 19:19 |
| RST38bis | on the other hand, modest seems to work (slowly, cut&paste still broken) and the weird bug with the media player applet seems to be mostly gone | 19:19 |
| * timeless_mbp would gladly vote that out of testing into extras | 19:19 | |
| BCMM | RST38bis: yeah, still waiting for a new update we can try and make people ask about so they get kicked :0 | 19:20 |
| smoku | RST38bis: there were few times it disappeared when I picked up the ringing phone. it started rotating and poof - gone. I needed to go to app browser and unhide it, then pick up. | 19:20 |
| BCMM | :) even | 19:20 |
| RST38bis | MohammadAG: What? Me? | 19:20 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 19:20 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i'm looking for someone here running 1.2 in English willing to risk their device | 19:20 |
| RST38bis | MohammadAG: Me, personally, thinks that your little middle east complication should be resolved with nuclear weaponry, as soon as possible, but preferably not during sand storms | 19:21 |
| BCMM | how much risk? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | psswitcher - Eases to switch on/off speakers while on the phone. | 19:21 |
| matti_hautameki | hi,can someone tell me why the browser always redirectsme to the mobile site if available! | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | RST38bis, I want a vertical nuke to be fired | 19:21 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: beat me to it | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | matti_hautameki: it doesn't | 19:21 |
| smoku | and I have a feeling that PR1.2 lags on mass storage access | 19:21 |
| RST38bis | (mostly because that will make nice, prolonged news subject with some cool imagery) | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser does whatever web sites tell it to do | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | eventually, it will run out of fuel in mid air and... | 19:21 |
| matti_hautameki | mine does | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | matti_hautameki: have installed any third party browser hacks? | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | a user agent changer? | 19:22 |
| matti_hautameki | no | 19:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, what sites specifically? | 19:22 |
| smoku | matti_hautameki: it's not the browser. it's the site. browser has nothing to do with it. it's the site's decision to serve you the redirection. | 19:22 |
| RST38bis | smoku: that is because more stuff has been moved to mmc | 19:22 |
| BCMM | you can also make it open the dashboard, which is kinda neat since if you open the keyboard, you're probably going to want to go to speakerphone then start some program to answer whatever somebody just asked you | 19:22 |
| nax3000 | does anyone else get that annoying bug where if someone calls while the backlight is off - you try to answer it but as soon as you press "answer" the backlight goes off again | 19:22 |
| RST38bis | smoku: so now it takes a few seconds for the phone to react even for most common tasks | 19:23 |
| nax3000 | it's like the phone is playing tag with me | 19:23 |
| TomaszD | smoku, I would recommend copying all data from mass storage, formatting and then copying everything back, should speed things up | 19:23 |
| matti_hautameki | ok ... i have deleted the cookies and so on. any idea? | 19:23 |
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| microlith | timeless_mbp: back on your original question, what do you need attempted? | 19:23 |
| BCMM | you can also use the camera button, if some some weird reason you don't already use that to activate the dashboard | 19:23 |
| RST38bis | nax3000: Welcome to my recent complaint about the Phone app bug | 19:23 |
| RST38bis | nax3000: that is it | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | microlith: i have a package and i want to know if installing it changes the email app | 19:23 |
| smoku | TomaszD: this is what i did once i felt something is wrong | 19:23 |
| nax3000 | that is damn annoying | 19:23 |
| nax3000 | how could they have not fixed that in pr1.2 | 19:23 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 19:23 | |
| * timeless_mbp kicks ham | 19:24 | |
| RST38bis | they broke that with pr1.2 | 19:24 |
| RST38bis | it works before | 19:24 |
| RST38bis | worked | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it only tells me about updates to package visible packages | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | not hidden packages | 19:24 |
| jcrawford | hello everyone, anyone here happen to use joikuSpot on the N900 and gotten it to work well with DD-WRT flashed routers? | 19:24 |
| nax3000 | for me it did that with 1.1.1 | 19:24 |
| nax3000 | was fine in 1.1 | 19:24 |
| jcrawford | I cannot seem to get my router to connect to JoikuSpot but it had previously worked with my Palm Pre and MyTether... | 19:24 |
| RST38bis | Next time someone tells me "extensive in-house testing Nokia requires as part of the PR release procedure" I will laugh my socks off | 19:24 |
| jcrawford | must say I love this phone :) | 19:24 |
| RST38bis | s/me/me about | 19:24 |
| BCMM | joikuspot is the payware wifi tethering app, right? | 19:25 |
| TomaszD | timeless_mbp, is there a mechanism for updating apps downloading from Ovi like from other catalogues or is it broken? | 19:25 |
| TomaszD | *downloaded | 19:25 |
| BCMM | what does it have over mobilehotspot? | 19:25 |
| TomaszD | a nice gui I suppose ;) | 19:25 |
| * FauxFaux is regretting even less being too lazy to install pr1.2 due to NSU being broken. | 19:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: in theory it generally works | 19:25 |
| nax3000 | nokia needs QA people without a lobotomy | 19:25 |
| jcrawford | BCMM: yes it is | 19:25 |
| nax3000 | you'd think that'd be a requirement | 19:25 |
| jcrawford | and I am not sure as I have never looked at mobile hot spot ,what is that? | 19:25 |
| TomaszD | timeless_mbp, so if there is an important security update for Firefox Mobile in the Ovi Store, will it inform me by way of the orange flashing icon? | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | nax3000: actually | 19:26 |
| RST38bis | actually, most qa people I have seen had lobotomies | 19:26 |
| smoku | TomaszD: ovi store apps are user/hidden, but it's still user/* | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | having a lobotomy is probably a requirement here | 19:26 |
| nax3000 | "looking for QA testers, lobotomy patients need not apply" | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise you'd go mad from the insane demands | 19:26 |
| BCMM | jcrawford: well, it lets you share the 3g connection using wifi | 19:26 |
| TomaszD | smoku, they changed the hidden mechanism in PR1.2 | 19:26 |
| RST38bis | demands? what demands? | 19:26 |
| jcrawford | BCMM is it an app for the phone or a device i have to get down at AT&T | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: i'd assume so | 19:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't use ovi store | 19:26 |
| BCMM | jcrawford: it's a maemo app | 19:26 |
| nax3000 | timeless: are you a QA guy for nokia? | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | nax3000: no, i'm an engineer | 19:26 |
| BCMM | jcrawford: it doesn't do wpa, AFAIK | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't like the qa team any more then you do | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | however i've seen their managers | 19:27 |
| RST38bis | you overshoot suggested PR release date by several months and cannot even insure that the Phone app works? | 19:27 |
| woglinde | timeless only beserks on the QA-Reports | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's hard to blame the qa team | 19:27 |
| Ikarus | You CANNOT use WPA(2) over adhoc networks in the wifi spec | 19:27 |
| woglinde | sometimes | 19:27 |
| jcrawford | hmm is it in the app manager or in the ovi stire? | 19:27 |
| jcrawford | i will check it out | 19:27 |
| BCMM | Ikarus: wirelesshotspot is ad-hoc? | 19:27 |
| Ikarus | BCMM: yup | 19:27 |
| Ikarus | the firmware in the wifi chip bars the use of actual AP mode | 19:27 |
| jcrawford | idc if it does wpa or not, just want to use it for small crap around the house :) | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38bis: s/insure/ensure/ | 19:27 |
| nax3000 | well, the people who work there are only as good as the management | 19:27 |
| nax3000 | so I can relate | 19:27 |
| BCMM | Ikarus: why does it need a new kernel then? | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | insurance is just a gamble | 19:27 |
| smoku | doh. I like my QA team guys. they are our best friends... | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | getting it right is harder | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | smoku: qa at nokia is split into 3 or more classes | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | some classes have good teams | 19:28 |
| Ikarus | BCMM: NAT | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but all classes are overworked | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and all classes get incredibly stupid demands | 19:28 |
| Ikarus | BCMM: the default kernel lacks iptables NAT support | 19:28 |
| BCMM | jcrawford: ah, no netfilter in the default kernel? | 19:28 |
| BCMM | Ikarus: you are marginally faster than me :( | 19:28 |
| jcrawford | anyone here been able to get pidgin to install for them? here it says downloading 3.33mb then says downloading 1.26mb and just hangs until the download fails | 19:28 |
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| nax3000 | the irony of it all - I might start working in QA next month | 19:29 |
| BCMM | so what exactly causes people to pay money for joikuspot, other than getting to use the same software they use on their android phones? | 19:29 |
| Ikarus | BCMM: because they are high on crack | 19:29 |
| t_s_o | there is a sucker borne every minute? | 19:29 |
| jcrawford | BCMM: because i did not know there was an alternative :) | 19:29 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 19:29 | |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | stupid stupid stupid | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | apt sucks | 19:29 |
| jcrawford | or i would not have been suckered into paying lol | 19:29 |
| Ikarus | perhaps we should run a VPN server on the N900 to make hotspot mode secure :) | 19:30 |
| BCMM | jcrawford: i will admit i had heard of joikuspot but not mobilehotspot until i decided to do a quick search | 19:30 |
| Ikarus | WEP is cracked in 20 minutes | 19:30 |
| Ikarus | if not less :) | 19:30 |
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| BCMM | Ikarus: oth, the n900 has less range than a typical wireless router | 19:30 |
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| Ikarus | ah well, I'll stick with Bluetooth PAN for now | 19:31 |
| jcrawford | Ikarus: my internet is only on for about 20 minutes at a time most of the time lol | 19:31 |
| jcrawford | so idc if they crack it :) in-fact right now it's unsecured | 19:31 |
| Ikarus | given that Bluetooth security is reasonable | 19:31 |
| BCMM | i have never actually used the bluetooth on my phone :( | 19:31 |
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| frals | woha, putting a donate button in my aboutdialog just payed off \o/ | 19:33 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: ok, going -> | 19:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | heading out | 19:33 |
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| jcrawford | pisses me off that pidgin refuses to install lol | 19:33 |
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| woglinde | re rst | 19:34 |
| RST38h | remoo | 19:34 |
| BCMM | frals: how long did it take? | 19:34 |
| smoku | doh... builder is broken again.. :/ I guess it's time to leave extras-devel alone and move back to my own repository | 19:34 |
| frals | BCMM: i submitted to autobuilder like err 4 hrs ago i think | 19:35 |
| BCMM | oh, that would be the fmms update i got today | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | Is X-Fade on vacation again? =) | 19:35 |
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| jcrawford | has anyone gotten pidgin to install? | 19:36 |
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| nax3000 | yes | 19:36 |
| jaska | looks like pycallblock will end the call you currently have going if a blocked number calls :) | 19:36 |
| TomaszD | heh | 19:37 |
| BCMM | yay, a way to make people you don't want to talk to more annoying! | 19:37 |
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| nax3000 | haha | 19:38 |
| nax3000 | gerat. | 19:38 |
| nax3000 | great | 19:38 |
| jcrawford | hrm | 19:38 |
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| jaska | i think its a 1-line fix tho | 19:40 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm... | 19:42 |
| jcrawford | bbl | 19:43 |
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| GAN900 | timeless, no. | 19:45 |
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| jaska | yay, fixed it | 19:48 |
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| GAN900 | If anybody's noticed bug #10454 | 19:53 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 Data connection disappears after automatically migrating between WiFi and data a few times | 19:53 |
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| ruskie | GAN900, define a few times? 10? 20? 50? | 19:56 |
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| woglinde | re doc | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | You can automatically migrate between wifi and data? Really? | 20:06 |
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| smoku | RST38h: if you allow automatic data connection, it gets established once you get out of AP reach | 20:08 |
| RST38h | but all your sessions will break | 20:08 |
| RST38h | so, it is not automatic, afaik | 20:09 |
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| jaska | youd need mobileip hackery or both networks under same organizations control to retain tcp connections | 20:12 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, see the reproduction field. | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | ruskie, 2 of the 8 days I've had 1.2 | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, which sessions? | 20:15 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:20 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I don't have to touch anything. | 20:22 |
| GAN900 | So, automatic. | 20:22 |
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| skyscraper | hi | 20:23 |
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| skyscraper | does anyone know a game-server-monitor software like "HLSW" for n900? | 20:23 |
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| skyscraper | not existing?? | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Like ssh session or http | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, fix xchat! | 20:46 |
| RST38h | or irc. they do get broken when changing connection, right? | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | some people like to paste spam | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | and join channels on connect | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | rant over | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:47 |
| pronto | wow, that live focus app is damn annouing | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Speaking of spam, http://gizmodo.com/5551789/motorola-droid-shadow-and-xtreme-show-up-on-verizons-system - and it is not running Maemo | 20:48 |
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| inz | likely not in the groin, if you don't know. | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | "A melancholy view of our national mental level is obtained from a survey of the moronic quality of the majority of today's radio programs" | 20:56 |
| RST38h | (C)Lee de Forest, inventor of a triode, 1952 | 20:56 |
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| timeless | rst: so how does this call bug work? | 21:17 |
| timeless | i locked a phone in portrait | 21:17 |
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| TTilus | jaska: vpn with automatic reconnection would save your ass too | 21:26 |
| jaska | ttilus: yeah, mobileip is somewhat like that iirc | 21:28 |
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| TTilus | mobileip is ip-over-ip tunneling, so essentially the same in this case | 21:31 |
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| Ikarus | TTilus: it's actually not tunneling, it is redirection | 21:34 |
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| jaska | if theres no foreign agent? | 21:36 |
| jaska | its been a while since i touched that stuff :) | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yep. xchat irc connection breaks on automatic 'roaming' from WLAN to GPRS connection | 21:41 |
| TTilus | hmm, i stand corrected, its more or less just plain forwarding, "home agent" just forwards the packages to mobile node, which sends data always directly to the peer, not via "home agent" | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: btw you noticed the "tickets" on your xchat "bugtracker" thread? | 21:42 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, wish libconic were hooked into it. | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | libconic? it? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're referring to 'roaming'? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in 'xchat needs libconic' ? | 21:52 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah. | 21:53 |
| GAN900 | XChat should hook into libconic so it knows when a connection change has happened | 21:54 |
| GAN900 | Instead of taking 15 minutes to timeout. | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Yes, I have noticed "tickets" and may even "looks" at them once I have time =) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | s/looks/look | 21:55 |
| jcrawford | hey guys anyone been able to get google voice activated? | 21:55 |
| jcrawford | i keep getting unknown code | 21:55 |
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| jcrawford | ugh fonts are soo small in xchat | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: full ack. Though reducing ping-timeout to 2 minutes helps, but introduces other problems | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jcrawford: select anothe PT size in xchat settings? :-P | 21:59 |
| jcrawford | sucks my other phone broke and i cannot get google voice to activate from the n900 | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | gogle voice? you're kidding, aren't you? | 22:00 |
| * RST38h needs a new laptop and may even consider Samsung. | 22:01 | |
| jcrawford | no i have a number i give everyone to call me on and that is the google voice # | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 22:01 |
| RST38h | That is how low I have fallen | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you're talking about that voice-command thing | 22:01 |
| jcrawford | nope | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Are Dell Vostros any good? | 22:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests plain SIP to jcrawford | 22:02 | |
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| jcrawford | doc i may try that but the point of ga google voice # is so that you have it forever. when you get a new phone you just activate google voice :) | 22:03 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 22:04 |
| ZogG | Mek, hey | 22:04 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, ^ | 22:04 |
| xDaReaperx | Hi | 22:04 |
| ZogG | tybollt, hey | 22:04 |
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| ZogG | tybollt, i found the guy. he is here btw | 22:04 |
| xDaReaperx | google voice for N900 ? | 22:04 |
| jcrawford | but when i enter the code in the phone app it complains about an invalid code | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: please elaborate | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, kk | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | what's google voice? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | is it like SIP or something? | 22:05 |
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| budfive | DocScrutinizer: for example if I have a cell-phone and an office phone, I would register both other those numbers with a googlevoice account. GV gives you a 3rd phone number. That's the one you give out to people | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-05-31 21:04:02] <budfive> DocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you | 22:06 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: When your gv number is called, BOTH the cellphone and the office phone ring | 22:06 |
| xDaReaperx | I downloaded Easy debian now, and it tells me that it has to download some 2.5 GB image file and must be saved in the memory card , but can i be saved on the N900 ? cause i dont have a memory card | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | heh you asked the same q... | 22:06 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: so you can be reached wherever you are | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, yes | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | it can be saved to either afaik | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: can be done with SIP easily, and in a standards conforming manner | 22:06 |
| jcrawford | mohamed it allows callers to call one number to ring many phones and allows you to transparently tranfer calls from one phone to another etc. | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | unless qole changed that, which i doubt | 22:06 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: then there are other niceties, like voicemail that's sent to your email | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm whats afaik ? | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | ~wtf afaik | 22:07 |
| infobot | AFAIK: as far as I know | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: I got that with sipgate since 5 years now | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | ~botsnack | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | i wanted to host PHP and SQL on my phone , so i was gonna install debian | 22:07 |
| infobot | :), MohammadAG | 22:07 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: yeah? SIP is a standard and sipgate is a product? | 22:07 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: you educate me :) | 22:07 |
| E0x | budfive: with SIP you can do all what GV do , the catch with GV is everything is already do and you don't need config | 22:07 |
| E0x | anything | 22:07 |
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| E0x | or almost nothing | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: SIP is a RFC standard and sipgate.de is one of a zillion providers | 22:08 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: reading... | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: http://twinklephone.com | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Rays vs Jays tonight | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a good free softphone | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (ok, maybe I am biased, as I co-developed it a little bit) | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | budfive: anyway you got a nice list of links to all the RFC and sevices implemented in that particular SIP client | 22:11 |
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| jcrawford | it says service code not supported. | 22:11 |
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| jcrawford | when i do the activation of google voice | 22:11 |
| jcrawford | the code looks like this *004*15555551212# | 22:12 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: Yes. Thanks a lot for that | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I couldn't think of a single function/service in GV that hasn't been implemented by sipgate some years before | 22:12 |
| budfive | DocScrutinizer: googlevoice isn't nearly as special as I was led to believe :) | 22:13 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, yeah, we had a baaaaaad week. | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, fingers crossed for improvements this week. | 22:13 |
| jcrawford | sipgate allows one number for life? | 22:13 |
| xDaReaperx | hey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ? | 22:13 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Morrow should get you on the right track :/ | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce ping time? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | in USA sipphone.com aka freeworlddialup/fwd is very popular for a SIP provider afaik | 22:14 |
| budfive | jcrawford: That code is a gsm command. what is telling you that the service isn't supported? | 22:14 |
| budfive | jcrawford: is it the n900 or your gsm provider? | 22:14 |
| wazd | hello again, humanity :) | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: walk a few steps towards the AP? | 22:14 |
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| jcrawford | the phone app | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | or attach a huge antenna | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | to your roof, if the router supports that (old dlinks did :)) | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hate you. | 22:15 |
| jcrawford | it works on att as my E72 is setup | 22:15 |
| xDaReaperx | xDaReaperx>hey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ? | 22:15 |
| xDaReaperx | anyone ? ^ | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce XChat's timeout period? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: on a more serious comment, you can reduce MTR, and also tune a few other parameters of the link | 22:16 |
| budfive | jcrawford: pr1.2 added support for ussd codes to be entered in the phone app, so update if you haven't yet | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | xDaReaperx: You can easily set the background image. | 22:16 |
| jcrawford | i have updated | 22:16 |
| jcrawford | already | 22:16 |
| xDaReaperx | can you tell me how plz ? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | xDaReaperx: I'm unure where the theme would store it | 22:16 |
| xDaReaperx | oh | 22:16 |
| xDaReaperx | how to find that out ? | 22:16 |
| * SpeedEvil boots phone | 22:17 | |
| budfive | jcrawford: maybe it's a bug then. :( If you can enter the commands from a different code they'll work with the n900 afterwards, since you're commanding your provider | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: net_ping_timeout = 240 | 22:17 |
| budfive | jcrawford: different PHONE that is | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: in .xchat2/xchat.conf | 22:17 |
| jcrawford | thats what i thought u meant | 22:18 |
| jcrawford | i will try from my E72 tomorrow | 22:18 |
| jcrawford | thanks | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | xDaReaperx: click the desktop, click the little gear thing. Click desktop menu. Click change background. | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, thanks. | 22:19 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i am there | 22:19 |
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| xDaReaperx | okay ty | 22:20 |
| xDaReaperx | figured it out | 22:20 |
| xDaReaperx | :D | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ cat .xchat2/loginhost.xsh | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nick Docscrutemp | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | msg nickserv ghost DocScrutinizer51 MyPWD | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | timer 6 nick DocScrutinizer51 | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ah, awesome. | 22:21 |
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| GAN900 | Can I reload the settings? | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | Or just have to restart? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | .xchat2/servlist_.conf:C=load -e /home/user/.xchat2/loginhost.xsh | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | F=27 | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | D=0 | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | S=irc.freenode.net | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | F=? | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: or just edit login-cmd in settings | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: was just a context=3 in the 'diff' - i.e. I gave the 3 lines following the one I changed | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | you use a loadfile too, cool | 22:26 |
| xDaReaperx | for some reason i cant connect to irc.freenode.net on xchat | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, otherwise I would be known as DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51_ DocScrutinizer51__ just like you ;-P | 22:27 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx from n900? | 22:27 |
| xDaReaperx | yes | 22:27 |
| ZogG | i can | 22:27 |
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| xDaReaperx | its taking for ever | 22:27 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, have you changed something? | 22:27 |
| xDaReaperx | no it shows connecting to chat.freenode.net | 22:27 |
| xDaReaperx | shouldn't it connect to irc.freenode.net ? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | works like a charm here (xchat to freenode from N900) | 22:28 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx yes | 22:28 |
| xDaReaperx | i could connect yesteday | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, different servers, they depend on your location | 22:29 |
| xDaReaperx | but it dosent today | 22:29 |
| ZogG | wow | 22:29 |
| ZogG | i have chat =) | 22:29 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | * Looking up irc.freenode.net | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (213.179.58.83) port 6667... | 22:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | chat.freenode.org | 22:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | haahha | 22:29 |
| xDaReaperx | well yeah lol | 22:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | loswe | 22:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | loser* | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | irc noobs | 22:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | can't type blind from n900 | 22:30 |
| xDaReaperx | who me ? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: well actually sometimes it fails here too, saying "***checking ident" | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 22:30 |
| * ZogG_N900 bans MohammadAG | 22:30 | |
| xDaReaperx | DocScrutinizer :hmm yeah same problem here | 22:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | never failed | 22:30 |
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| * MohammadAG shoots ZogG_N900 with his N900-powered USB Javelin | 22:30 | |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx maybe you are blocked or server blocked? | 22:30 |
| ZogG | are you using wifi or 3G | 22:30 |
| xDaReaperx | WiFi | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: probably related to GPRS-NAT of your provider | 22:31 |
| ZogG | try same connection as on desktop with sameserver | 22:31 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm no Using WiFi | 22:31 |
| ZogG | as well check the proxy settings | 22:31 |
| xDaReaperx | i can connect on my PC | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:31 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, change the server to what you have on desctop | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so then probably related to your own NAT :-P | 22:31 |
| ZogG | desktop* | 22:31 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm ok i'll check | 22:31 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, xchat just hates you | 22:31 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, try 3G | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: UHUH. I just use the server I found in the preconfigured server list | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | 3G is too costly here | 22:32 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer me too | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | i prefer WiFi | 22:32 |
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| ZogG | xDaReaperx, i have 5 gibs a month =) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's how you should do, as it does some arbitration | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | i have none lol | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | i have to pay as i surf | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | on 3G | 22:32 |
| xDaReaperx | real costly | 22:32 |
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| ZogG | xDaReaperx country? | 22:33 |
| xDaReaperx | Middle East : Bahrain | 22:33 |
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| xDaReaperx | lol how do you read the text on xchat on your N900 ,it's so puny | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, hasn't bhrain a 'no VoIP' policy on their wired internets as well? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | means they have a nasty firewall/proxy even on DSL | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ADSL | 22:34 |
| xDaReaperx | well yeah they have blocked lots of networks | 22:35 |
| xDaReaperx | but i can bypass that | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so there you got your problem | 22:35 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm could be | 22:35 |
| xDaReaperx | but i could connect yesterday | 22:35 |
| xDaReaperx | dunno all of a sudden today it's taking forever | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | this probably makes situation equivalent/worse to what I experience on GPRS | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, same here with GPRS | 22:36 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes it works, rarely it takes literally forever/stalls | 22:36 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx middle east israel ( no flood please) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | just select "reconnect" from menu-server | 22:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | i'm not form israel lol , i'm in Bahrain , but i'm from India | 22:37 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, change fonts | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: usually fixes the issue for me | 22:37 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i changed it now and even the font size | 22:37 |
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| ZogG | xDaReaperx, i understand, i am | 22:37 |
| ZogG | i left them as they are | 22:37 |
| * ZogG waits for real avatar so hard | 22:38 | |
| ZogG | Aank — the Last Air Bender | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: the default font is much too large iirc ;-P | 22:38 |
| E0x | what is the best setup for do python program for maemo ? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia Sans 12 here | 22:38 |
| E0x | code in anythign IDE and test directly in the n900 ? | 22:39 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, it's exactly as in mail widget =) | 22:39 |
| ZogG | E0x, there is emulator, SDK for example | 22:39 |
| E0x | ZogG: but you can program in python using the SDK | 22:39 |
| E0x | ? | 22:39 |
| ZogG | not QT SDK | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | python doesn't need an sdk | 22:40 |
| E0x | oh | 22:40 |
| ZogG | you can | 22:40 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, yes for graphics =) | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 22:40 |
| E0x | nope ? | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | you can code it all | 22:40 |
| E0x | on windows | 22:40 |
| frals | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | use Qt designer | 22:40 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, as QT and C++ or any language - so what? | 22:40 |
| frals | why the hell does this dialog refuse to show my widgets when i launch it the 2nd time? | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, huh | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | python UI is in GTK or Qt | 22:41 |
| xDaReaperx | well /proc/mem < does this actually exist ? | 22:41 |
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| ZogG | E0x gtk or qt? | 22:41 |
| xDaReaperx | i heard ppl say it causes a kernel panic | 22:41 |
| E0x | gtk | 22:41 |
| * MohammadAG tests | 22:41 | |
| ZogG | E0x, use geany | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | no need for an sdk then | 22:41 |
| E0x | maybe some qt , i am learning/testing | 22:41 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, glade =) | 22:41 |
| ZogG | E0x, check glade as well, though it's for desktop | 22:42 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, gajim is made with glade | 22:42 |
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| E0x | but i need hildon libs not ? | 22:42 |
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| ZogG | for what? | 22:43 |
| ZogG | to emulate or what? | 22:43 |
| ZogG | i don't really know | 22:43 |
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| E0x | ok | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, so what, fmms is made with trouts | 22:43 |
| E0x | i will check and test | 22:43 |
| ZogG | probably for some emelents | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: everything ok? | 22:43 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, you are made with love | 22:43 |
| ZogG | :P | 22:43 |
| * ZogG hugs MohammadAG | 22:43 | |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 22:44 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 22:45 |
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| Cabletwitch | Ahh, there we go. | 22:45 |
| Cabletwitch | That topic gets longer everytime I come here... | 22:46 |
| ZogG | Cabletwitch i meant hornier | 22:46 |
| ZogG | ~pr1.3 | 22:46 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is, like, a ban'able subject now..... | 22:46 |
| ZogG | hahaha | 22:46 |
| * ZogG hides | 22:46 | |
| ZogG | ~flash10.1 | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo ZogG | 22:47 |
| * infobot recompiles ZogG again | 22:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash ZogG | 22:47 |
| * infobot starts a firmware update on ZogG, then pulls the plug halfway through | 22:47 | |
| MohammadAG | that isn't fatal | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | flash him with a broken NOLO | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, ZogG is the living proof | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 22:48 |
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| MOUD | how can I use my ps3 controller as a mouse for my n900? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | afaik, you don't :) | 22:49 |
| frals | ah, the joy of support | 22:49 |
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| * frals facepalms and walks towards the booze | 22:49 | |
| * DocScrutinizer ties frals to a first level helpdesk chair | 22:49 | |
| * MohammadAG replaces the rope with a metal bar and solders it | 22:50 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests welding | 22:50 | |
| frals | :D | 22:50 |
| ZogG | MOUD, you can play games with it though | 22:51 |
| * MohammadAG welds frals to the desk | 22:51 | |
| * MohammadAG hangs a trout out of reach in front of frals | 22:51 | |
| MOUD | yeah... too bad that you cant use as a mouse | 22:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer goes for a booze :-P | 22:52 | |
| ZogG | MOUD, just use mouse | 22:52 |
| * MohammadAG shoots DocScrutinizer and runs | 22:52 | |
| MOUD | can wireless or bt mosue work with n900? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't shoot a zombie :-] | 22:52 |
| xDaReaperx | well i dont think there is a cursor on N900 | 22:52 |
| wazd | ZogG: o/ | 22:52 |
| xDaReaperx | expect while browsing | 22:52 |
| ZogG | wazd \o | 22:52 |
| * Stskeeps passes wazd some booze | 22:53 | |
| MOUD | what about a keyboard then? | 22:53 |
| frals | why is it that whenever i tell someone to start an application from the terminal they always do it as root? | 22:53 |
| * MohammadAG solders DocScrutinizer too | 22:53 | |
| ZogG | wazd, this guy from habr talking about meego is an iddiot | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, Oi! that's mine | 22:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ohnoes, can't take any more :D | 22:53 |
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| wazd | ZogG: he's a "journalist" | 22:53 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm not sure about the keyboard | 22:53 |
| ZogG | briglia, hello | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | keyboards work, mice don't | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | and it was marked as fixed, meh | 22:53 |
| ZogG | briglia, i'm AI bot, can i hep you? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the zombie solders army of #maemo | 22:54 |
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| MOUD | both wireless and bt keyboard work? | 22:54 |
| ZogG | sergio__, bey, it was nice to meet you | 22:54 |
| wazd | ZogG: but all that atom-phone stuff was fun anyway :) | 22:54 |
| MOUD | yay, a bot | 22:54 |
| MOUD | let me try... | 22:54 |
| MOUD | !ZogG | 22:54 |
| ZogG | wazd, they read rumors from rumors from rumors and than they think they know | 22:55 |
| MOUD | didnt work... meh | 22:55 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 22:55 |
| xDaReaperx | maybe you need permission to use him | 22:55 |
| ZogG | wazd, i doubt even Nokia sees all the picture, but he does | 22:55 |
| ZogG | MOUD, coffee? | 22:55 |
| wazd | ZogG: actually I was surprised to meet "journalist behaviour pattern" | 22:55 |
| MOUD | no tks | 22:55 |
| MOUD | lol | 22:56 |
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| Cabletwitch | !ZogG -rm -rf | 22:56 |
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| wazd | ZogG: when he suddenly switched theme dramaticaly | 22:56 |
| ZogG | wazd, habr is a network of snobs | 22:56 |
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| ZogG | Cabletwitch, you harddrive with pr0n was deleted successfully | 22:56 |
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| Cabletwitch | How do you delete a harddrive? | 22:57 |
| ZogG | with magic hat? | 22:57 |
| ZogG | douh | 22:57 |
| xDaReaperx | Is it possible to cause a kernel panic on the N900 ? | 22:57 |
| ZogG | man, everyone knows that | 22:57 |
| * Cabletwitch looks in the case, and see's the disk is still there | 22:57 | |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, prob, you wouldn't see it anyway | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: easily | 22:57 |
| xDaReaperx | how ? | 22:58 |
| xDaReaperx | which command line | 22:58 |
| ZogG | Cabletwitch, TA-DA, it was magic trick | 22:58 |
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| Cabletwitch | Uh-huh. Now make my 'More...' icon come back. | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did it as root with 'cat /proc/kmem' but since then my kmem and/or mem is gone it seems :-P | 22:58 |
| Cabletwitch | THAT would be a good trick | 22:58 |
| xDaReaperx | ZogG : we might notice the high CPU usage during a kernel panic and heating | 22:58 |
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| MOUD | can i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900? | 22:59 |
| frals | any screen cap app out there for the n900 yet? | 22:59 |
| xDaReaperx | DocScrutinizer : well can that command cause any harm for the phone ? | 22:59 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, you can do #mv kernel panic_room | 22:59 |
| frals | or do i have to use my other phone to record stuff? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it was /dev/kmem | 22:59 |
| Cabletwitch | I wonder if its possible to use the N900 as a wiimote? | 22:59 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, if you have kernel panic - doesn't the system fall ? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: nah, just causes kernel to segv | 23:00 |
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| thresh | Cabletwitch: yes, but only once. It will go to your TV in a first throw. | 23:00 |
| xDaReaperx | well a restart should fix that right ? | 23:00 |
| Wolfie | Cabletwitch: for one, you'd need to mod the camera to accept only IR light | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: it restarts immediately | 23:00 |
| ZogG | Cabletwitch, not sure if it's as Wii remote or with Wii remote | 23:00 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm ok | 23:00 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx, kernel panic is like blue screen | 23:00 |
| xDaReaperx | so can i try it ? lol will it harm the phone in any way ? | 23:01 |
| Cabletwitch | Wolfie: I meant as the controller, not the sensor bar. | 23:01 |
| xDaReaperx | oh ... hmm maybe never seen one | 23:01 |
| xDaReaperx | xD | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: nope it won't harm the phone | 23:01 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, fixed mms thing? | 23:01 |
| Wolfie | Cabletwitch: the sensor bar is just two IR leds, nothing more... the wiimote has an IR-sensitive camera, that knows how you point at the tv | 23:01 |
| Cabletwitch | And generally, CMOS and CCD devices will see in IR if you remove the filter. | 23:01 |
| Wolfie | additionally, there's some accelerometers in 3 axis, which could probably be done with the N900... | 23:02 |
| Cabletwitch | Ahh yes, forgot the camera was in the remote. Duh. | 23:02 |
| Wolfie | how accurately, though, I don't know | 23:02 |
| Wolfie | *axes | 23:02 |
| Cabletwitch | You were right the first time. | 23:02 |
| Wolfie | and then you'd need to get the phone to sync with the wii, which would require a certain amount of hacking | 23:02 |
| xDaReaperx | ahh yeah it crashed the phone lol | 23:03 |
| xDaReaperx | its restarting | 23:03 |
| Wolfie | so, technically, sure, it's bound to be possible. But hardly usable | 23:03 |
| Cabletwitch | When has that ever stopped the OSS crowd? | 23:03 |
| Wolfie | more interesting/rewarding projects? ;) | 23:03 |
| Cabletwitch | Eh, someone will try it eventually, you'll see. | 23:04 |
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| Cabletwitch | Dear Nokia, if you ever revise the N900's hardware, put the goddamn usb port on the OTHER end of the phone, so you dont look like a total tit when its charging/plaugged in during a call. Thanks in advance, Cable. | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...Skype is broken in PR1.2 as well | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Does not show messages sent by myself from some other machine to somebody else | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Actually, shows them in the log but does not show the messages themselves | 23:06 |
| xDaReaperx | well i chmod 640 /proc/meminfo , so this should prevent apps from displaying or recording my memory info right ? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha, Israel not found out 35% of world poulation are AlKaida | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | not not | 23:07 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer =( | 23:07 |
| RST38h | eh? | 23:07 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer it's not the size but how you use it | 23:07 |
| Cabletwitch | Doc, pills time! | 23:07 |
| xDaReaperx | can we make the menu on the N900 to be viewed in Portait mode ? | 23:08 |
| xDaReaperx | instead of landscape ? | 23:08 |
| xDaReaperx | and all the other apps | 23:08 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx ctrl+shift+r | 23:08 |
| Cabletwitch | IR leds need to be on the top end too, so we can use it as a proper remote. | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 700 passangers of the hijacked and attacked convoy all were AlKaida members, according to Israel minitry of exernal afairs | 23:08 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer please, don't start it here | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | all with kalaschnikovs and grenades | 23:09 |
| RST38h | 700 passengers != 35% of world population | 23:09 |
| GAN900 | Bastard | 23:09 |
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| xDaReaperx | ZogG : i tried ctrl+shift+r dosent do anything | 23:10 |
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| thresh | israeli did a good thing | 23:10 |
| ZogG | xDaReaperx in the app | 23:10 |
| RST38h | thresh: Not really | 23:10 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer you see what i meant | 23:10 |
| RST38h | thresh: A nuclear blast would be way more spectacular | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, but If there were diplomats under the 700 (and there actually were) then it's highly unlikely the rest of that government isn't AlKaida as well | 23:10 |
| ZogG | RST38h, shhhh | 23:10 |
| thresh | RST38h: still, they being consistent, something our country lacks for instance | 23:10 |
| RST38h | thresh: Especially at sea. Would probably take all the vessels at once, too | 23:11 |
| thresh | nuclear blast, for sure. | 23:11 |
| * Cabletwitch must have missed the news... not having a TV makes this possible. | 23:11 | |
| RST38h | thresh: Actually, quite the opposite | 23:11 |
| xDaReaperx | ZogG : wait i go to some application and type ctrl+shift+r ? | 23:11 |
| ZogG | yes | 23:11 |
| xDaReaperx | and then i tilt my phone ? | 23:11 |
| RST38h | thresh: Israelis are pretty inconsistent in their treatment of PA | 23:11 |
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| ZogG | xDaReaperx, close keyboard and move phone | 23:11 |
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| xDaReaperx | oh cool works :D | 23:12 |
| thresh | RST38h: PA being? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | thresh: Constantly switching from appeasement to supression, where the Chechen approach would probably work better | 23:12 |
| thresh | palestine autonomy? | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | thresh: Palestinian Authority | 23:12 |
| thresh | oh k | 23:12 |
| FauxFaux | Cabletwitch: Some non-whites blew up a boat with some other non-whites on it. WHITE POWAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR. Wait, actually, this isn't a normal IRC channel, I probably can't say that here. | 23:12 |
| ZogG | haha | 23:12 |
| Cabletwitch | Heh, the rotate trick works with xchat too. | 23:12 |
| thresh | RST38h: we all know how well chechen approach worked :/ | 23:12 |
| RST38h | thresh: Better than israeli approach to PA | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | Anybody else having the phone app do weird gymnastics when receiving a call? | 23:12 |
| ZogG | Cabletwitch, it's hildon trcik not certain apps | 23:13 |
| FauxFaux | /nick FauKFauKK. | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | thresh: (although neither has been particularly stellar) | 23:13 |
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| thresh | true | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Ones that make you hit the hangup button. . . . | 23:13 |
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| Cabletwitch | ZogG: Ahh, gotcha. Is it applicable to the app used in, or does it stay active globally? | 23:13 |
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| pronto | wow , that 'live focus' app is horrible o_o | 23:14 |
| RST38h | what IS that live focus app??? | 23:14 |
| pronto | something for the camera | 23:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: Yes. It is confirmed to be a bug. | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | pronto: I think it works quite well inside the given restrictions | 23:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: Appears when your phone app set to work in portrait mode. Made quite a few people miss calls too. | 23:15 |
| pronto | the thing keeps poping up when i'm viewing phtos :\ | 23:15 |
| RST38h | pronto: oh that thing | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | pronto: uh, ok. never seen that | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait | 23:16 |
| pronto | it acautaly poped up when i was on the home screen :| | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I seen it once, before I changed the setting in systray menu | 23:16 |
| pronto | oh? | 23:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | pronto: It has major problems working with the camera | 23:17 |
| pronto | isnt it _for_ the camera? | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | pronto: The camera module is completely closed-source | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | livefocus can not create an overlay to camera-gui. So that's quite a handicap for a decent implementation | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | To do it 'right' - it would want to be integrated into the camera | 23:18 |
| pronto | oh? wow that's annoying | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - live focus applet - cannot actually tell - as I understand it - if the camera applet is showing you your existing pictures, or ... | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | by using the kbd shortcuts it works like a charm | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just switch the keyboard button in systray menu to green-dot | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err red? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Q/W toggles flashlight, A/S is focus... | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E/R is red indicator light | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | D is some obscure reset | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but something is a little inconsistent still, sometimes refuses to work | 23:24 |
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| pronto | prssing q/w nothing is happening o.O | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, a pita | 23:25 |
| pronto | i'll just remove it | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | open cam slider, press crtl-bs, go to desktop, hit, systray, switch kbd-button to red-dot, press crtl-bs, goto camera | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably me to | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I don't need manual focus, or video light | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I need though is a torch, simple and easy to start. and the not so easy to start torch was killed by live_focus | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so now the night is over before I get some light ;-P | 23:29 |
| pupnik | darn darkness | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 23:29 |
| pupnik | i love how mplayer can slowdown speech | 23:31 |
| ZogG | www.windows7.nsk.ru/?article=12 - not sure if google translator can handle that - but this is epic win | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | ZogG: There is a similar (and even better) English version | 23:34 |
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| n900-dk | any body seen a backgammon game for N900? | 23:35 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Start here: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | And to polish it off: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html | 23:37 |
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| ZogG | RST38h there is article there that IE8 is perfect and helps to feed starving children =) | 23:40 |
| ZogG | n900-dk i played it | 23:40 |
| RST38h | ZogG: I am sure it helps feeding a few children in Redmond, Washington | 23:40 |
| n900-dk | ZogG: Where did you find it? Can't find bg any where.. | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Quite a few young Nigerians, Albanians, and Russians too | 23:41 |
| ZogG | Indian's programmers children maybe | 23:41 |
| ZogG | n900-dk ovi | 23:41 |
| RST38h | that is Java! | 23:41 |
| ZogG | RST38h huh, i;m russian =) | 23:41 |
| n900-dk | there isn't any at ovi for N900 | 23:41 |
| pupnik | yay, got through a day with one battery swap | 23:42 |
| RST38h | you actually swap batteries? | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | one charges while other is in use | 23:42 |
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| jacekowski | nokia has to really work on energy consumption | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | or better batteries | 23:43 |
| RST38h | that is what the world has come to: swapping batteries in your phone | 23:44 |
| * RST38h fills himself with sorrow for the future of the humanity | 23:44 | |
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| * ShadowJK is pretty happy with battery consumption now | 23:46 | |
| ShadowJK | now that I have the bigger battery | 23:46 |
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| ShadowJK | original one lasted the day too though | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | what sort of battery? | 23:46 |
| RST38h | Runs for about 15hrs here | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it's amazing what Nokia doesn't test. | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | and how you managed to fit it in n900? | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | mugen's 2400mAh battery | 23:46 |
| RST38h | GAN900: No shit Sherlock | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | Though not even the 2400mAh mugen would see me through the day on my operator's 3g :) | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | (with xchat running on n900) | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: You would think "the extensive release qa process" should have caught broken phone app. Isn't it a phone? | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | The phone app is broken? I just made a call? | 23:47 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Do this: | 23:47 |
| Corsac | RST38h: it's a mobile computer! | 23:48 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: 1) Set Phone app to always use Portrait mode 2) Lock the screen 3) Call your phone | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | Atlthough mafw-dbus-wrapper or something crashes alot more in PR1.2.. I was letting crash-reporter send in the crash reports, but I think the crash server crashed | 23:48 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: You will see the screen go through weird acrobatics and if you click the green button too soon, N900 will drop the call and go back to sleep | 23:49 |
| ZogG | n900-dk yes there is | 23:49 |
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| jacekowski | i had that happening as well | 23:49 |
| Corsac | RST38h: it worked fine here, just tested | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | and it looks like bad signal is making it worse | 23:49 |
| Corsac | RST38h: except if by “locked” you meant secure through the lock code maybe? | 23:49 |
| RST38h | Corsac: I am getting this in ~50% cases | 23:49 |
| Mece | revenge of the ninja - perfect way to relax after before bedtime :D | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I've dropped about a half dozen calls now. | 23:50 |
| Corsac | RST38h: I often see races condition in incoming calls though | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Corsac: No, turn the screen off with the lock button | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Corsac: yes that is our culprit | 23:50 |
| RST38h | GAN900: You are on the Council at the moment? | 23:50 |
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| Corsac | the phone rings/vibrates, I pick it, and the screen shuts down, then on, then rotate, then... | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Corsac: Yep. | 23:50 |
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| ZogG | n900-dk they deleted it probably - it was there | 23:52 |
| Mece | RST38h, I have that issue too. usually I just wait a few seconds and it's fine. | 23:52 |
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| KongfuPanda | hi. I have a pdf document, with 4 slides per page, is it possible to cut it so that each slide is on separete pate? | 23:54 |
| ZogG | KongfuPanda i think so | 23:55 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: Could you initiate some kind of a semi-formal drive for a quick update to fix the worst regressions caused by PR1.2? I have heard there are also some problems with messaging and the virtual keyboard | 23:55 |
| KongfuPanda | how? | 23:55 |
| RST38h | GAN900: And the copy from emails still does not work | 23:55 |
| ZogG | KongfuPanda, forums.adobe.com/thread/339253 | 23:55 |
| ZogG | KongfuPanda google =) | 23:56 |
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| MOUD | can i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900? | 23:56 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I could, but I doubt it would do anything productive. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: GAN900: great idea. Then I don't have to wait forever for 1.2.1 | 23:56 |
| ZogG | KongfuPanda, www.wikihow.com/Extract-Pages-from-a-PDF-Document-to-Create-a-New-PDF-Document | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sitting here with a reasonably working but outdated 1.1, while everybody else curses 1.2 borkedness - man, that kinda sucks as well | 23:57 |
| Mece | damn, Sho Kosugi is just ridiculously fast! Never did appreciate the art as a kid. | 23:57 |
| RST38h | GAN900: I know :( But it just feels so ridiculous to delay something for months and still get it wrong | 23:57 |
| ZogG | KongfuPanda o are you linux user? | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I think it was the big platform stuff that killed them. | 23:58 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Maybe someone at Maemo Devices management has enough conscience left to actually authorize a quick fix | 23:58 |
| ZogG | GAN900 why don't they go modular ? | 23:58 |
| RST38h | They are modular | 23:58 |
| ZogG | are they? | 23:59 |
| ZogG | maemo is released as maemo | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't even fare to allow updates of things like alarmed or live_focus, as probably it will eat my system or at very least shoot the app irrecoverably | 23:59 |
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| RST38h | But Nokia's firmware release process is the same for Symbian and Maemo, and it dictates large, far-in-between updates | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/fare/dare | 23:59 |
| ZogG | and not app manager+conversation+phtoapp+ blahblah | 23:59 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Not how they do it in Symbian ===> not how they can do it in Maemo | 23:59 |
| ZogG | RST38h i mean modular updates, when you have separete pkgs and not whole maemo | 23:59 |
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